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1458
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Mick and l, sometimes,
just before we start making an album,
1459
00:00:13,142 --> 00:00:15,337
say, "What kind of album
do we want to make?"
1460
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And I say, "Make a Rolling Stones album."
1461
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That's about as far as I can narrow it down.
1462
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It's really a matter of surprising yourself,
1463
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it's about what's coming out.
1464
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If I knew everything that was to be played
1465
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it would probably sound
as dead as a doornail, you know.
1466
00:00:34,330 --> 00:00:37,766
You kind of tend to write songs
no matter what else you're doing.
1467
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It's not one of those things
where you sit down and say,
1468
00:00:41,771 --> 00:00:43,932
"Songwriting time."
1469
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It's just something
that happens during the day.
1470
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You might pick up a guitar to tune it,
and before you know it you've got a song.
1471
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If you're lucky.
1472
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I never pushed songwriting.
1473
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It's a...
Idea comes in.
1474
00:00:58,621 --> 00:01:02,148
Like an antenna.
You know, "Incoming, transmit."
1475
00:01:03,959 --> 00:01:07,656
Albums, what you get,
you say, "That's that album,"
1476
00:01:07,696 --> 00:01:12,861
a lot of albums roll over into the nex one.
1477
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Some of the stuff that you do...
1478
00:01:16,038 --> 00:01:20,975
And, say, Sticky Fingers, towards the end
you've got more stuff than you can use,
1479
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you say, "We'll just save it."
1480
00:01:23,112 --> 00:01:26,047
So you kind of roll over material that way,
1481
00:01:26,082 --> 00:01:29,176
and the album becomes what gets on there,
1482
00:01:29,218 --> 00:01:33,552
but to us the process is continual, usually.
1483
00:01:33,589 --> 00:01:36,956
But it's, "Let's use these 12 songs,
and what do we call it?"
1484
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"I know, Beggars Banquet.
I know, Let It Bleed, Exile On Main St."
1485
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So you kind of take snippets of something
that's going on all the time.
1486
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Still is.
On a good day I can still write a song.
1487
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It interested me,
and I think probably the other guys,
1488
00:02:01,917 --> 00:02:05,318
of actually not recording
in a recording studio =
1489
00:02:05,354 --> 00:02:08,016
that was a novelty.
1490
00:02:08,057 --> 00:02:10,048
Because before then, you always thought...
1491
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"To make a record
you've got to go in the studio."
1492
00:02:13,129 --> 00:02:17,759
This kind of if you've broken a leg
you've got to go to hospital.
1493
00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,669
We found out you could break legs
just as simply and easily without bothering,
1494
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that you could actually make an environment
that you could work with.
1495
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I think we first thought it would be
a bit of an experiment
1496
00:02:30,212 --> 00:02:33,238
and then we'd move on to another studio.
1497
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But by the time we'd got settled in
and things were starting to happen,
1498
00:02:36,519 --> 00:02:39,579
it was just, "Why bother?
We've got what we want here."
1499
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So it was a matter of experiments,
a lot of that.
1500
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I mean, getting lost in those
damn basements... It was enormous.
1501
00:02:47,630 --> 00:02:51,691
So you could say, "Let's try
the drums in that one for this song
1502
00:02:51,734 --> 00:02:55,226
"because it's got more echo, more snap."
1503
00:02:56,906 --> 00:02:58,703
Or you put the bass in another room.
1504
00:02:58,741 --> 00:03:02,370
You could experiment
with the place like that,
1505
00:03:02,411 --> 00:03:05,209
find the best spot for each instrument.
1506
00:03:05,247 --> 00:03:08,410
It's got a kind of very dense sound,
1507
00:03:10,653 --> 00:03:14,111
that you can pretty much tell
that it was recorded there.
1508
00:03:15,991 --> 00:03:20,724
I'd say the beginning, the first month,
was probably a little bit touch and go
1509
00:03:20,763 --> 00:03:23,960
whether we'd actually pull it off,
1510
00:03:23,999 --> 00:03:25,523
but then it started to flow,
1511
00:03:25,568 --> 00:03:29,504
and as I say, we said, "We don't need
to go anywhere else, we can do it all here."
1512
00:03:29,538 --> 00:03:34,202
And I said,
"Great. In that case, I'll stay. I'll unpack."
1513
00:03:42,318 --> 00:03:46,516
I think we always wanted to be
a bit of a soul band as well,
1514
00:03:46,555 --> 00:03:50,047
and horns...
1515
00:03:52,995 --> 00:03:55,088
they were...
1516
00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:56,358
I wouldn't have said...
1517
00:03:56,398 --> 00:04:00,129
Maybe it was because
it was Bobby and Jim Price,
1518
00:04:00,169 --> 00:04:03,332
it was just the two cats,
1519
00:04:03,372 --> 00:04:06,432
it wasn't like a whole full horn section
1520
00:04:06,475 --> 00:04:11,412
which can be a lot to take care of.
1521
00:04:11,447 --> 00:04:15,679
With just the two guys,
they fit into the size of the band real well.
1522
00:04:17,453 --> 00:04:20,980
It just gave us that exra texure
that we'd been looking for.
1523
00:04:22,591 --> 00:04:27,221
So we basically just were a bit of
a soul band, in a way, at that time.
1524
00:04:28,831 --> 00:04:32,164
Bobby and I were working together
for a couple of years
1525
00:04:32,201 --> 00:04:36,501
before we realized that... actually born
on the same day, same everything,
1526
00:04:36,538 --> 00:04:38,836
within hours of each other.
1527
00:04:38,874 --> 00:04:42,002
I said, "The only problem with Bobby
is that he's a Texan.
1528
00:04:42,044 --> 00:04:44,035
"Otherwise he's great."
1529
00:04:52,855 --> 00:04:55,346
We'd never even intended it
to be a double album
1530
00:04:55,391 --> 00:04:59,225
until finally we'd sort of run out of songs
1531
00:04:59,261 --> 00:05:04,096
and said,
"Wow, there's too much for one album
1532
00:05:04,133 --> 00:05:06,260
"but there's too much good stuff.
1533
00:05:06,302 --> 00:05:10,363
"We can't cut this baby up."
1534
00:05:10,406 --> 00:05:12,840
So we decided to go for the double.
1535
00:05:12,875 --> 00:05:15,742
Sometimes it's the hardest part
of making albums =
1536
00:05:15,778 --> 00:05:18,076
what order do the songs come in?
1537
00:05:19,048 --> 00:05:24,076
And you kind of get used to
listening to them, jumbling them up,
1538
00:05:24,119 --> 00:05:27,054
and saying, "That one works nice off of that,"
1539
00:05:27,089 --> 00:05:29,387
and you kind of work it like that.
1540
00:05:29,425 --> 00:05:32,394
It's a bit like a jigsaw puzzle.
1541
00:05:36,198 --> 00:05:40,464
Sometimes you have a good track
1542
00:05:40,502 --> 00:05:42,402
but it doesn't somehow work
1543
00:05:42,438 --> 00:05:45,601
coming out of that track or going into that.
1544
00:05:45,641 --> 00:05:47,506
And of course there's always the thing
1545
00:05:47,543 --> 00:05:50,637
that somebody else
has a different feeling about it,
1546
00:05:50,679 --> 00:05:55,673
and so you've got to...
"Well, do we flip a coin or what?"
1547
00:05:55,718 --> 00:05:58,585
But it's quite a process.
1548
00:05:58,620 --> 00:06:02,056
We were successful, I suppose,
1549
00:06:02,091 --> 00:06:04,082
in that respect,
1550
00:06:06,195 --> 00:06:09,790
that it hangs together well.
1551
00:06:09,832 --> 00:06:12,960
That's an important thing with a record.
1552
00:06:13,001 --> 00:06:15,026
You can have the same record,
the same songs,
1553
00:06:15,070 --> 00:06:17,368
but if they're in a sort of order
1554
00:06:17,406 --> 00:06:21,638
that sometimes can jar
and not quite hang together.
1555
00:06:21,677 --> 00:06:23,668
And that's the difficult thing =
1556
00:06:23,712 --> 00:06:27,307
you've made a great record
and you know it's good stuff,
1557
00:06:27,349 --> 00:06:29,340
but will it hang together?
1558
00:06:30,486 --> 00:06:32,386
With Exile I think we did it.
1559
00:06:32,421 --> 00:06:37,381
It's just having, I think, maybe
the exra amount of space to play with.
1560
00:06:37,426 --> 00:06:40,862
You know, more songs, more time.
1561
00:06:40,896 --> 00:06:43,160
Firstly it was received
1562
00:06:43,198 --> 00:06:47,396
with a little bit of doubt and scepticism,
1563
00:06:47,436 --> 00:06:51,270
but then it just started to pick up
1564
00:06:51,306 --> 00:06:53,399
and then it kept going
and going and going
1565
00:06:53,442 --> 00:06:56,377
until some people now say,
"It's the best album you've ever done."
1566
00:06:56,412 --> 00:07:01,179
I don't know about that,
but I'm still very proud of it.
1567
00:07:01,216 --> 00:07:04,481
I can never pick...
I mean, what do I think's the best?
1568
00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,454
I could never think in those terms.
1569
00:07:06,488 --> 00:07:10,549
It's just, "Well, that was
what was the best of what I did then."
1570
00:07:18,367 --> 00:07:23,669
You're kind of used to seeing us
chopping and changing in this life,
1571
00:07:23,705 --> 00:07:27,801
but yeah, we'd also been off the road
for quite a while,
1572
00:07:27,843 --> 00:07:33,406
and quite honestly we had to
get used to how things had changed
1573
00:07:33,449 --> 00:07:36,941
in the about two years that we were off.
1574
00:07:36,985 --> 00:07:39,510
Technology had changed immensely.
1575
00:07:39,555 --> 00:07:45,391
I mean, they actually...
You had PAs, which sounds weird now,
1576
00:07:45,427 --> 00:07:49,887
but when we used to work in the '60s...
1577
00:07:51,533 --> 00:07:54,331
most PAs were a couple of little speakers
1578
00:07:54,369 --> 00:07:56,530
hung on a side of a wall,
1579
00:07:56,572 --> 00:08:00,338
one of which usually worked,
and that was just for the vocal.
1580
00:08:00,375 --> 00:08:05,972
So we had to get into learning
miking up, monitors,
1581
00:08:06,014 --> 00:08:11,316
so we had to do a lot of catch=up
to start with.
1582
00:08:11,353 --> 00:08:16,313
It didn't take long,
but it's a lot more to consider.
1583
00:08:16,358 --> 00:08:20,727
Before, you just went on stage
and hoped they heard you. That was it.
1584
00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:38,341
It was kind of exciting to go to Cannes
and walk along the beach
1585
00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:41,110
and see all the topless girls,
which you didn't see in England,
1586
00:08:41,149 --> 00:08:43,879
and naked girls and all that.
1587
00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:45,477
That was a bit of fun.
1588
00:08:45,521 --> 00:08:48,649
And just getting into that,
1589
00:08:48,690 --> 00:08:51,989
and then, much later, meeting...
1590
00:08:52,027 --> 00:08:54,655
famous artists, painters.
1591
00:08:54,696 --> 00:08:58,029
I did, anyway. I don't know about the others,
they left earlier.
1592
00:08:59,601 --> 00:09:01,159
It was...
1593
00:09:01,203 --> 00:09:03,637
And living in a really nice house.
1594
00:09:03,672 --> 00:09:06,539
I lived in a place called
the Bastide de Saint Antoine
1595
00:09:06,575 --> 00:09:09,305
which was near Grasse
where they do the perfume.
1596
00:09:10,112 --> 00:09:13,570
And...
I had these beautiful gardens
1597
00:09:13,615 --> 00:09:16,948
with high wild flowers and all that,
1598
00:09:16,985 --> 00:09:19,078
and they had their own vineyards
1599
00:09:19,121 --> 00:09:20,918
and they used to have their own wine.
1600
00:09:20,956 --> 00:09:25,484
Used to have about 400 or 600 bottles
of wine every year from their grapes,
1601
00:09:25,527 --> 00:09:27,654
which you drank, it was the house wine.
1602
00:09:27,696 --> 00:09:31,325
And I would go in the gardens
and I could just take photos of nature
1603
00:09:31,366 --> 00:09:37,498
and see massive great grass snakes
about seven foot long.
1604
00:09:37,539 --> 00:09:40,007
And it was really, really interesting.
1605
00:09:40,042 --> 00:09:42,067
I've always loved nature anyway.
1606
00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:46,570
And I did a lot of movie films
1607
00:09:46,615 --> 00:09:50,779
of a praying mantis
eating insects and things.
1608
00:09:51,620 --> 00:09:56,284
I just enjoyed all that.
But then, when it came to recording,
1609
00:09:56,325 --> 00:10:01,160
when they finally got the Stones'
mobile studio over to Keith's house,
1610
00:10:01,196 --> 00:10:03,061
very convenient for Keith, wasn't it?
1611
00:10:09,204 --> 00:10:13,004
There was this stairway
that came down from upstairs,
1612
00:10:13,041 --> 00:10:16,306
and it turned,
at the bottom of the stairway it turned,
1613
00:10:16,345 --> 00:10:19,109
and there was a room.
1614
00:10:19,147 --> 00:10:24,847
It was probably nine foot square, maybe ten.
1615
00:10:24,886 --> 00:10:26,683
That was where we recorded.
1616
00:10:26,722 --> 00:10:28,849
And it used to get so hot in there
1617
00:10:28,890 --> 00:10:33,190
that condensation used to run down
the walls and all that.
1618
00:10:33,228 --> 00:10:36,288
My bass amp used to be
under the bloody stairs,
1619
00:10:36,331 --> 00:10:37,821
out round there.
1620
00:10:37,866 --> 00:10:41,768
The horn players used to be
down the corridor in the kitchen,
1621
00:10:41,803 --> 00:10:44,533
when they were doing things, or vocals.
1622
00:10:44,573 --> 00:10:46,006
It was all spread.
1623
00:10:46,041 --> 00:10:49,204
We couldn't see the engineer
1624
00:10:49,244 --> 00:10:52,805
and he couldn't see us = Andy Johns,
and Jimmy Miller the producer.
1625
00:10:52,848 --> 00:10:56,511
They couldn't see us,
we didn't have a contact with them.
1626
00:10:56,551 --> 00:10:58,883
So it was always speaking.
1627
00:10:59,388 --> 00:11:01,049
And it was just like an oven.
1628
00:11:02,624 --> 00:11:05,821
It was not very conducive
to making music, really,
1629
00:11:05,861 --> 00:11:08,295
and it was a bloody miracle we did.
1630
00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:19,839
I suppose we had the band there,
the whole band there,
1631
00:11:19,875 --> 00:11:24,642
probably 30%, 40% of the time.
1632
00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,114
The rest of the time it was just bits.
1633
00:11:27,149 --> 00:11:29,982
Me and Charlie, and...
Mick hadn't come, Mick Taylor didn't come,
1634
00:11:30,018 --> 00:11:32,612
me, Charlie and Keith,
so we'd work on something.
1635
00:11:32,654 --> 00:11:35,623
Nex day Keith wouldn't come
because Mick wasn't there
1636
00:11:35,657 --> 00:11:38,455
so then Mick'd come
and then he'd see Keith wasn't there
1637
00:11:38,493 --> 00:11:40,552
so the nex day he wouldn't come.
1638
00:11:40,595 --> 00:11:43,291
And sometimes we'd all get there
to do a session
1639
00:11:43,331 --> 00:11:46,926
and Keith wouldn't even come,
he was upstairs sleeping,
1640
00:11:46,968 --> 00:11:50,028
and we'd...
Charlie had come five hours,
1641
00:11:50,072 --> 00:11:53,974
me and Mick Taylor had come two hours,
Mick had come an hour,
1642
00:11:54,009 --> 00:11:56,170
and Keith's upstairs,
1643
00:11:56,211 --> 00:11:58,338
and he didn't come down to the session.
1644
00:11:58,380 --> 00:12:00,177
It was like madness.
1645
00:12:07,489 --> 00:12:10,356
Musically, he was a better musician
1646
00:12:10,392 --> 00:12:13,190
than any of us in the band, definitely.
1647
00:12:13,228 --> 00:12:15,389
He was young, he was...
1648
00:12:16,531 --> 00:12:18,590
God, some of the things he did were...
1649
00:12:20,769 --> 00:12:22,930
just amazing.
1650
00:12:24,272 --> 00:12:26,797
He was incredibly boring on the stage.
1651
00:12:27,809 --> 00:12:30,437
He'd just stand there and look at his guitar
1652
00:12:30,479 --> 00:12:34,245
and just do these most amazing
licks and riffs
1653
00:12:34,282 --> 00:12:36,409
and solos,
1654
00:12:36,451 --> 00:12:39,443
but he'd just... like that, you know.
1655
00:12:39,488 --> 00:12:42,821
God, the audience would see
the top of his head all the time.
1656
00:12:42,858 --> 00:12:48,490
And I always thought he could
have been a bit more... to the public...
1657
00:12:48,530 --> 00:12:50,998
But then I'm not a good one to talk, am I?
1658
00:12:51,032 --> 00:12:53,023
I don't leap about much.
1659
00:12:53,068 --> 00:12:57,505
In 30 years with the Stones I've probably
made three steps on the stage.
1660
00:13:05,046 --> 00:13:08,538
By the time it gets to that stage
1661
00:13:08,583 --> 00:13:15,352
it's quite different from the way it starts,
1662
00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:18,757
and you've got names of songs,
and you think...
1663
00:13:19,928 --> 00:13:23,420
and you think,
"Tumbling Dice? Which one's that?"
1664
00:13:23,465 --> 00:13:26,059
And then you hear it
and you say, "Oh, yeah,
1665
00:13:26,101 --> 00:13:29,901
"that's the track we called so=and=so,
that had a different name."
1666
00:13:31,673 --> 00:13:35,700
And Keith used to think of funny names.
1667
00:13:35,744 --> 00:13:37,974
He'd call one, like...
1668
00:13:40,182 --> 00:13:42,446
General Election or something, you know.
1669
00:13:42,484 --> 00:13:45,942
And it'd turn out to be
All Down The Line or...
1670
00:13:46,721 --> 00:13:50,987
So when you saw the list of the tracks
on the album, what were going on,
1671
00:13:51,026 --> 00:13:55,156
you didn't know which one was which,
cos you didn't know them by those titles.
1672
00:13:55,197 --> 00:13:57,597
Cos Mick wrote the lyrics much later, often,
1673
00:13:57,632 --> 00:14:01,329
we did the tracks, and then he did
the lyrics later and put them on.
1674
00:14:01,369 --> 00:14:04,600
You'd heard them so many times
1675
00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,630
that they were just like...
1676
00:14:07,776 --> 00:14:10,745
you didn't really want
to listen to them for a while.
1677
00:14:10,779 --> 00:14:12,508
And Charlie's the same.
1678
00:14:12,547 --> 00:14:17,575
He says, "I don't listen to it.
Once you get the album, I don't listen to it."
1679
00:14:17,619 --> 00:14:19,610
I'll say, "I don't either."
I don't put the record on.
1680
00:14:19,654 --> 00:14:22,646
When you get the record,
I don't put it on my turntable and listen to it.
1681
00:14:22,691 --> 00:14:27,128
Keith does. Keith'd put it on and play it
for the nex three weeks solid,
1682
00:14:27,162 --> 00:14:30,757
every night, morning, noon and night,
at full volume.
1683
00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:33,597
And he does that, bless him,
that's what he does.
1684
00:14:39,608 --> 00:14:42,736
We went back to our roots
with Beggars Banquet
1685
00:14:42,777 --> 00:14:46,213
and then we just continued in that way.
1686
00:14:48,383 --> 00:14:52,285
I don't see a lot different
on Exile On Main St.
1687
00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,223
from the two albums before it
or the one after it, actually, Let It Bleed.
1688
00:14:57,259 --> 00:15:01,320
They're all my favourite albums,
those four albums are my favourites,
1689
00:15:01,363 --> 00:15:03,490
of all the career.
1690
00:15:03,531 --> 00:15:06,466
I think that's when we were at our peak
1691
00:15:06,501 --> 00:15:09,095
musically, inventively, creatively,
1692
00:15:09,137 --> 00:15:14,439
and on stage we were dynamite.
1693
00:15:14,476 --> 00:15:16,740
No one could come near us on stage,
no one.
1694
00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:33,686
That whole period was incredibly intense
and creative for all of us
1695
00:15:33,728 --> 00:15:35,889
because it was a new beginning
for the band
1696
00:15:35,931 --> 00:15:40,459
and they'd signed a new contract
with Atlantic Records
1697
00:15:40,502 --> 00:15:43,562
and we had to, in theory at least,
1698
00:15:43,605 --> 00:15:49,271
we had to come up with
at least six albums in six years.
1699
00:15:49,311 --> 00:15:54,078
If we weren't hanging out together
or recording...
1700
00:15:55,283 --> 00:15:56,807
we were touring.
1701
00:15:56,851 --> 00:16:00,548
I just remember most of the time
we were either in the studio
1702
00:16:00,588 --> 00:16:02,556
or we were socialising together
1703
00:16:02,590 --> 00:16:05,024
or we were on the road.
1704
00:16:05,060 --> 00:16:07,324
The enduring thing
about being with the Stones,
1705
00:16:07,362 --> 00:16:10,058
right from the very beginning, actually,
1706
00:16:10,098 --> 00:16:12,566
I mean, right from when I first joined them,
1707
00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,262
I'd be going over to
Mick's house in Cheyne Walk
1708
00:16:15,303 --> 00:16:17,601
and he'd be playing old blues records.
1709
00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:21,336
Same with Keith.
It always had this underlying...
1710
00:16:23,611 --> 00:16:26,307
sort of rootsy blues feel,
1711
00:16:26,348 --> 00:16:29,283
which was what really...
1712
00:16:29,317 --> 00:16:31,615
you know,
1713
00:16:31,653 --> 00:16:34,713
made it so special.
1714
00:16:42,897 --> 00:16:46,196
I think it was a real struggle
for Keith and Anita
1715
00:16:46,234 --> 00:16:48,759
once we started the recording process,
1716
00:16:48,803 --> 00:16:53,740
because you're mixing domesticity,
in a way, with...
1717
00:16:56,244 --> 00:17:00,078
not to put too grand a term, art.
1718
00:17:00,115 --> 00:17:04,484
Domesticity and art don't necessarily mix.
1719
00:17:06,688 --> 00:17:09,248
Although we were recording
down in a basement
1720
00:17:09,290 --> 00:17:13,590
that was separate
from what was going on above...
1721
00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:18,198
There were constant power failures, and...
1722
00:17:21,269 --> 00:17:25,365
Compared to the way records
are made today, it was quite primitive
1723
00:17:25,407 --> 00:17:27,705
and quite basic.
1724
00:17:27,742 --> 00:17:30,711
You know, I remember Mick
having to sing using...
1725
00:17:30,745 --> 00:17:35,205
having to use a different part
of the basement,
1726
00:17:35,250 --> 00:17:40,313
maybe a disused toilet, or something,
to do his vocal overdubs in.
1727
00:17:40,355 --> 00:17:43,882
They basically had to turn it into their home,
1728
00:17:43,925 --> 00:17:45,859
and of course...
1729
00:17:48,897 --> 00:17:53,231
it ended up being like a holiday resort
for all their friends
1730
00:17:53,268 --> 00:17:56,237
and everybody else's friends.
1731
00:17:57,038 --> 00:18:00,838
And in the midst of all this
holidaying and partying
1732
00:18:00,875 --> 00:18:02,866
we were trying to make an album.
1733
00:18:14,923 --> 00:18:19,326
In those days all the other girls
were, like, very kind of...
1734
00:18:20,495 --> 00:18:24,795
not middle class, but kind of very quiet
and wanted to have a baby
1735
00:18:24,833 --> 00:18:27,996
and wanted to get married and all of that,
and I...
1736
00:18:28,036 --> 00:18:30,436
For me it was not on the agenda.
1737
00:18:30,472 --> 00:18:34,704
I just wanted to live out the dream.
1738
00:18:41,583 --> 00:18:43,983
That place was just amazing,
1739
00:18:44,018 --> 00:18:47,579
it was just exraordinary,
it was very decadent.
1740
00:18:47,622 --> 00:18:54,186
And it belonged to an admiral
called Alexandre Bardes or Bordes,
1741
00:18:54,229 --> 00:18:56,527
and he was an admiral, an English admiral,
1742
00:18:56,564 --> 00:19:00,364
and he collected exotic plants.
1743
00:19:00,401 --> 00:19:04,030
And so from every trip that he went
he brought these plants home
1744
00:19:04,072 --> 00:19:09,009
and he just filled up the garden
with all these monkey trees, baobab,
1745
00:19:09,043 --> 00:19:11,978
I mean, it was like a jungle.
1746
00:19:12,013 --> 00:19:15,744
There were places
where I wouldn't even go.
1747
00:19:15,783 --> 00:19:19,446
And the whole house was like...
it was majestic
1748
00:19:19,487 --> 00:19:25,448
and very big,
very, very kind of decaying.
1749
00:19:25,493 --> 00:19:28,326
No furniture =
I remember bringing some rugs.
1750
00:19:28,363 --> 00:19:30,729
They're in all the photographs
of Dominique Tarle.
1751
00:19:30,765 --> 00:19:32,665
I say, "Oh, that rug..."
1752
00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:37,262
We brought along the rugs. So we kind of
lived in that kind of style anyway,
1753
00:19:37,305 --> 00:19:41,969
rock'n'roll, hippy, whatever,
all on the floor basically.
1754
00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:44,410
Everybody that came there,
they were shocked.
1755
00:19:44,445 --> 00:19:47,141
You know, they said,
"How can a beautiful place
1756
00:19:47,182 --> 00:19:52,984
"have all these toys on the floor
and silly guitars..."
1757
00:19:53,021 --> 00:19:55,717
The best places were for the guitars =
1758
00:19:55,757 --> 00:19:58,851
all the nice couches and everything,
all guitars.
1759
00:19:58,893 --> 00:20:01,555
You always had to sit somewhere...
1760
00:20:01,596 --> 00:20:03,496
I mean, Keith still does that,
1761
00:20:03,531 --> 00:20:07,433
he's always got the guitar
in the best place, his best seat.
1762
00:20:15,343 --> 00:20:17,402
It was great. They all took part.
1763
00:20:17,445 --> 00:20:21,006
I don't know, in the evening
we put them to sleep, and that's it.
1764
00:20:21,049 --> 00:20:23,677
I don't know how you could sleep
with all that noise,
1765
00:20:23,718 --> 00:20:26,346
but kids are kids, so...
1766
00:20:27,088 --> 00:20:30,319
And then they had a great attitude
towards the grown=ups as well,
1767
00:20:30,358 --> 00:20:32,826
and the grown=ups had to
deal with them as well,
1768
00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:36,023
especially Jake and Charley
who were older than Marlon,
1769
00:20:36,064 --> 00:20:38,430
Marlon was still a toddler, two years old.
1770
00:20:38,466 --> 00:20:42,266
But the other ones
were always very demanding
1771
00:20:42,303 --> 00:20:47,240
and kind of confronting them
and playing with them.
1772
00:20:47,275 --> 00:20:49,266
No, it was really good, a good vibe.
1773
00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:58,778
Lunch was always outside,
and dinner was always...
1774
00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:03,814
I remember running in the kitchen,
like, all the time.
1775
00:21:03,858 --> 00:21:06,349
"We need more of that, more of that..."
1776
00:21:06,394 --> 00:21:09,295
It was really...
I don't know who paid for it,
1777
00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:12,424
but I'm sure it cost a bomb.
1778
00:21:12,467 --> 00:21:15,163
And all the wines and all of that,
1779
00:21:15,203 --> 00:21:18,297
and we always had liquor in the house.
1780
00:21:18,339 --> 00:21:23,333
It was like a freeloading
kind of brigade, basically.
1781
00:21:23,378 --> 00:21:26,176
And some of them were really annoying,
1782
00:21:26,214 --> 00:21:31,413
and I got more and more bored
with all these people
1783
00:21:31,452 --> 00:21:33,283
and I became a bouncer.
1784
00:21:33,321 --> 00:21:35,915
I kind of remember standing
at the top of the stairs
1785
00:21:35,957 --> 00:21:40,291
and just throwing... emptying a room out
that somebody had slept in
1786
00:21:40,328 --> 00:21:42,990
and just throwing all these clothes down.
1787
00:21:43,031 --> 00:21:46,194
And everybody was like, "She's a monster!"
1788
00:21:47,268 --> 00:21:50,362
That's what I ended up doing,
just throwing everybody out.
1789
00:21:50,405 --> 00:21:52,532
Then I started to move around rooms,
1790
00:21:52,573 --> 00:21:58,034
and for a period I moved into a room
just above the truck.
1791
00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:02,675
But that was also part of our escape route
in case we got busted.
1792
00:22:02,717 --> 00:22:06,380
We had this escape route that we planned
1793
00:22:06,421 --> 00:22:09,049
so you could jump out the window
where I was sleeping,
1794
00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:12,457
and then jump on the bus
and get out really quickly,
1795
00:22:12,493 --> 00:22:16,020
because otherwise it was
all these corridors and staircases.
1796
00:22:16,064 --> 00:22:20,194
So we had it all sussed,
we had it pretty sussed.
1797
00:22:29,977 --> 00:22:31,569
It was really incredible, yachts...
1798
00:22:31,612 --> 00:22:35,571
it was, like, the deepest harbour
in the Mediterranean,
1799
00:22:35,616 --> 00:22:38,244
and then there was the Sixh Fleet,
1800
00:22:38,286 --> 00:22:43,223
the Germans were there,
all the navy people were there.
1801
00:22:43,257 --> 00:22:46,852
The Sixh Fleet would come in,
they'd have LSD,
1802
00:22:46,894 --> 00:22:49,886
and all the village would open
1803
00:22:49,931 --> 00:22:52,764
and all these people would
ravage the village,
1804
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,894
and shoot=outs, and it was like a...
1805
00:22:55,937 --> 00:22:59,703
Yeah, it was like a frontier,
like being in the Far West.
1806
00:22:59,741 --> 00:23:03,541
All these sailors, like, running around.
1807
00:23:03,578 --> 00:23:07,378
That was more interesting than what was
going on in the house for us.
1808
00:23:07,415 --> 00:23:10,509
So we used to go up and drive up to them
1809
00:23:10,551 --> 00:23:13,918
and pretend to be pirates
and do all kinds of nonsense.
1810
00:23:13,955 --> 00:23:17,652
A couple of them had
skull and bones flags as well,
1811
00:23:17,692 --> 00:23:22,755
so there was, like, this element of bonding
with these people,
1812
00:23:22,797 --> 00:23:24,856
but they didn't think so.
1813
00:23:24,899 --> 00:23:30,496
And then, I mean, Keith,
he drove out with his motorboat,
1814
00:23:30,538 --> 00:23:32,802
and then he ran out of gasoline
1815
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,107
so then he sent flares and we had to
go to Villefranche and pick him up.
1816
00:23:38,146 --> 00:23:39,545
But that happened a lot.
1817
00:23:45,019 --> 00:23:48,182
When you live with them,
that's what you see. You don't see...
1818
00:23:48,222 --> 00:23:50,918
all the other people from the outside see...
1819
00:23:50,958 --> 00:23:53,825
It's a kind of reality that you live with.
1820
00:23:53,861 --> 00:23:55,726
And I've always found it really sad
1821
00:23:55,763 --> 00:23:59,494
that people always say,
"It was all sex and drugs and rock'n'roll."
1822
00:23:59,534 --> 00:24:05,837
It was rock'n'roll and drugs and sex,
in that order.
1823
00:24:10,645 --> 00:24:13,307
When it came out, yes,
I was really proud of them.
1824
00:24:13,347 --> 00:24:15,110
I was really proud of Keith as well.
1825
00:24:15,149 --> 00:24:19,552
I loved it right away,
from Rip This Joint all the way down.
1826
00:24:19,587 --> 00:24:22,852
It's amazing, it really is special.
1827
00:24:29,577 --> 00:24:33,377
I actually went to France
and bought a house
1828
00:24:33,414 --> 00:24:35,109
and set up home there.
1829
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:37,379
Everybody else rented a place or something.
1830
00:24:37,418 --> 00:24:40,216
And I chose somewhere, typically me,
1831
00:24:40,254 --> 00:24:45,920
right in the middle of sort of North Wales,
the equivalent thereof.
1832
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,863
So it was miles from anywhere,
right in the mountains, so...
1833
00:24:51,665 --> 00:24:52,996
But I still have it.
1834
00:25:01,442 --> 00:25:07,847
It was an old = well, old =
it was an Edwardian villa, beautiful thing.
1835
00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:13,912
Keith had this fabulous balcony
that he overlooked the end of the thing...
1836
00:25:13,954 --> 00:25:17,913
Where was it, Nellcote?
At the Cap Ferrat or something.
1837
00:25:17,958 --> 00:25:20,825
Good sound in the cellar,
it was a huge cellar.
1838
00:25:20,861 --> 00:25:22,385
It wasn't a little place.
1839
00:25:22,429 --> 00:25:24,693
I think I was in the sort of coal bunker bit,
1840
00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:27,758
but it was a good sound for the drums,
the drums were great.
1841
00:25:37,945 --> 00:25:42,075
Time to Keith was a very loose thing.
1842
00:25:42,116 --> 00:25:47,053
It was a very small T=l=M=E
because it meant...
1843
00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:50,921
He's like it even now he's straight.
1844
00:25:50,958 --> 00:25:53,324
Keith's time is...
1845
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,160
I don't mean his playing time
but his time of getting up and going...
1846
00:25:57,198 --> 00:26:01,259
It's quite normal for Keith to work
from sort of eight in the evening
1847
00:26:01,302 --> 00:26:05,033
till three o'clock the nex afternoon.
1848
00:26:08,142 --> 00:26:12,909
And Mick works from eight at night
till twelve at night,
1849
00:26:12,947 --> 00:26:14,710
and goes home.
1850
00:26:14,748 --> 00:26:18,206
So as a drummer
you're in the middle of doing it all.
1851
00:26:18,252 --> 00:26:21,688
That's why it was good at Nellcote,
cos you could do that.
1852
00:26:21,722 --> 00:26:24,190
Didn't matter when I went to bed.
1853
00:26:24,225 --> 00:26:27,922
No, I'm serious. Keith works like that.
1854
00:26:27,962 --> 00:26:34,026
Anyway, and with various
other things going on,
1855
00:26:34,068 --> 00:26:36,468
you might not work for two days
1856
00:26:37,504 --> 00:26:41,804
and then do a whole two days
without sleep the nex.
1857
00:26:53,354 --> 00:26:57,518
Keith likes to do a good track, keep it,
1858
00:26:57,558 --> 00:27:00,118
and play it over and over again,
1859
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,492
for at least a year.
1860
00:27:02,529 --> 00:27:04,326
He likes that.
1861
00:27:05,532 --> 00:27:08,524
Mick and I tend to do it and hear it back
1862
00:27:08,569 --> 00:27:10,400
and never play it again ever.
1863
00:27:11,405 --> 00:27:14,397
And Mick will just hear it
when he mixes it and that's it.
1864
00:27:14,441 --> 00:27:16,705
Keith will play them endlessly.
1865
00:27:16,744 --> 00:27:18,735
That's why Keith's a good one to...
1866
00:27:20,047 --> 00:27:22,777
if you ask him about a track
you did two years ago,
1867
00:27:22,816 --> 00:27:25,148
he'll have it on his thing and know...
1868
00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:28,450
If it's a good one he'll know it and play it.
1869
00:27:28,489 --> 00:27:30,354
It's very good...
1870
00:27:32,259 --> 00:27:35,990
What I meant about him being
a jazz player is he plays like that,
1871
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:40,399
his playing is...
it's very easy playing with Keith.
1872
00:27:40,434 --> 00:27:41,833
Very easy.
1873
00:27:42,569 --> 00:27:45,129
Your only critic is yourself, really.
1874
00:27:45,172 --> 00:27:47,436
He doesn't say, "Ooh, that's horrible."
1875
00:27:47,474 --> 00:27:49,533
And he doesn't stop playing if whatever.
1876
00:27:49,576 --> 00:27:54,843
It's like, "If that's how you want to do it,
see what happens.
1877
00:27:54,882 --> 00:27:57,350
"I didn't like it, but you liked it."
1878
00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:00,114
He's very easy like that,
very easy to play with.
1879
00:28:00,154 --> 00:28:03,715
And if it's good
he's very complimentary about it.
1880
00:28:03,757 --> 00:28:06,157
So he's very easy to play with.
1881
00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:10,022
Well, it's a long time I've played with him.
1882
00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,157
Very comfortable to play with.
1883
00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:23,108
What I think happened with Exile
is that we had all these odd things going,
1884
00:28:23,143 --> 00:28:27,671
and the songs that were done
for the albums that we used...
1885
00:28:27,715 --> 00:28:29,979
so we had these other things
that were actually...
1886
00:28:30,017 --> 00:28:32,918
like Casino Boogie and all those things,
1887
00:28:32,953 --> 00:28:36,753
normally they're pushed, not used,
1888
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:39,782
but they'd slowly come to the surface
1889
00:28:39,827 --> 00:28:42,421
and we needed them
to do this thing and they...
1890
00:28:42,463 --> 00:28:43,691
That's how...
1891
00:28:43,731 --> 00:28:46,757
And sometimes you miss the best things.
1892
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,428
You do, no matter who you are.
1893
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:54,703
Mick won't like using something
from two days ago, so you'll miss it.
1894
00:28:54,742 --> 00:28:58,178
Not his fault, it's just how it evolves.
1895
00:29:00,314 --> 00:29:04,216
And sometimes you have an idea
of an album, that it should all be this,
1896
00:29:04,251 --> 00:29:07,118
and so you dismiss the other stuff.
1897
00:29:07,154 --> 00:29:09,418
And that's kind of what happened with Exile.
1898
00:29:09,456 --> 00:29:13,916
We picked up a lot of stuff
that was dismissed off the albums before,
1899
00:29:13,961 --> 00:29:15,451
couple of albums.
1900
00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:25,294
They always say that about great writers.
1901
00:29:25,339 --> 00:29:28,399
"All great writers are alcoholics."
And you go, "No, they're not."
1902
00:29:28,442 --> 00:29:33,209
And you look at them and you think,
"Bloody hell, the great ones actually were!"
1903
00:29:33,247 --> 00:29:34,714
Mostly.
1904
00:29:35,582 --> 00:29:39,245
Fitzgerald, all that lot.
It's like, "Whoa, wait a minute."
1905
00:29:39,286 --> 00:29:41,277
So maybe that's true. I don't know.
1906
00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:44,381
That's been said about
jazz musicians for years.
1907
00:29:44,425 --> 00:29:46,290
I was going to ask that as well...
1908
00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:49,784
Now, you could be right.
How many people copied Charlie Parker
1909
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:53,391
cos he was so great
and so fucked up at the same time?
1910
00:29:54,435 --> 00:29:56,096
Many people.
1911
00:29:57,538 --> 00:30:00,939
But I don't think it made him greater
than he actually was.
1912
00:30:02,276 --> 00:30:05,006
It may have made him spend
more time on it, I don't know,
1913
00:30:05,045 --> 00:30:07,377
cos that's what it does, it messes your...
1914
00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:09,541
I don't know, actually, about that one.
1915
00:30:09,583 --> 00:30:11,778
And also when you're younger
you can cope with it.
1916
00:30:11,819 --> 00:30:13,878
It's when you're older you can't.
1917
00:30:13,921 --> 00:30:16,947
And it doesn't hang on you so well either.
1918
00:30:27,734 --> 00:30:34,264
I remember hanging out
with the Stones in the Olympic,
1919
00:30:34,308 --> 00:30:38,938
when I first met them
with the Faces, the Small Faces,
1920
00:30:38,979 --> 00:30:41,573
when I used to hang out with them.
1921
00:30:41,615 --> 00:30:43,344
They sang...
1922
00:30:46,954 --> 00:30:50,890
...the background vocals to
Get Off My Cloud, things like that.
1923
00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:55,123
Many good memories of parties,
1924
00:30:55,162 --> 00:30:57,926
cos Olympic used to have
three different studios.
1925
00:30:57,965 --> 00:30:59,592
You'd have the Faces in one,
1926
00:30:59,633 --> 00:31:02,397
the Stones in another,
David Bowie in another.
1927
00:31:02,436 --> 00:31:06,372
Everyone would meet in the canteen,
like, "How's it going? All right?"
1928
00:31:12,779 --> 00:31:15,976
I remember, yeah,
it was a really big moment in my life.
1929
00:31:16,016 --> 00:31:19,247
Like, "The Stones have to leave England!"
Yeah.
1930
00:31:19,286 --> 00:31:22,312
And then I got hit by the taxman as well.
1931
00:31:22,356 --> 00:31:26,952
So was the government starting
to come after the big rich rock stars?
1932
00:31:26,994 --> 00:31:31,829
I got hit for 80 grand or something,
which meant me having to leave England,
1933
00:31:31,865 --> 00:31:36,825
and I went, "Now I understand
what Exile was all about."
1934
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:40,966
Because, just like the general public,
1935
00:31:41,008 --> 00:31:45,570
it took them years to find out
how good the album was.
1936
00:31:45,612 --> 00:31:48,513
When it first came out as a double album,
1937
00:31:49,516 --> 00:31:52,417
it was great to me,
1938
00:31:52,452 --> 00:31:54,249
but really...
1939
00:31:55,622 --> 00:31:57,852
not understandable by the general public.
1940
00:31:57,891 --> 00:32:00,257
It was like, "Double album?
1941
00:32:00,294 --> 00:32:03,491
"These guys really think
they can do a double album?"
1942
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:07,125
I mean, it's twice as many songs.
They were all fantastic.
1943
00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:19,140
I was born with those songs
in my mouth, anyway.
1944
00:32:19,179 --> 00:32:22,546
You can name any song off of there
and I was with it.
1945
00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:27,510
I didn't have to learn it.
1946
00:32:27,554 --> 00:32:31,752
When I joined the band,
back in '7 4 or whenever,
1947
00:32:31,792 --> 00:32:35,057
when I had to learn
160 songs or something,
1948
00:32:35,095 --> 00:32:38,963
that was my initiation down in Woodstock...
1949
00:32:42,369 --> 00:32:44,462
I ended up teaching them to the band.
1950
00:32:44,504 --> 00:32:48,338
I knew the songs. I'd never played them
before but I just knew them.
1951
00:32:55,882 --> 00:32:59,978
Well, Mick will be a fusspot
because he always is, to today.
1952
00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:03,979
He's mixing, he's remixing Exile now.
1953
00:33:04,024 --> 00:33:06,686
So that shows you.
1954
00:33:06,727 --> 00:33:10,959
It's never quite... perfect enough.
1955
00:33:12,933 --> 00:33:14,491
In his view.
1956
00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:16,695
But to my view...
1957
00:33:19,673 --> 00:33:21,664
it's different.
1958
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:28,913
It hits the nail on the head
whether the tracks are mixed or not.
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