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884
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I remember buying it, the day I bought it.
885
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At home, I had two big speakers
on either side of my bed.
886
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I was in college and got
in the right frame of mind and blasted it.
887
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And it scared me.
888
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That was my first reaction, was that...
There's something...
889
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These guys have maybe
gone off the deep end,
890
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there's something going on
under this thing that's...
891
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I wanna go there
but I don't know if I'll survive it.
892
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My friend Angelo,
he's a massive Stones fan.
893
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He's like, "Have you ever heard Exile?"
894
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And I was like, "No".
I hadn't heard it.
895
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And the first thing he did
was show me the artwork
896
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and I was like, "Oh, wow! This is nasty!"
You know?
897
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And then he played it for me
and every song was just...
898
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To me... I mean, they were writing songs
that were anti=religion at times
899
00:01:03,936 --> 00:01:06,962
or questioning their faith,
900
00:01:07,006 --> 00:01:10,737
and every one of the songs
sounded like a church song to me.
901
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I mean every song had the boogie...
902
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That kind of stuff or just really bluesy slow.
903
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Just kind of interpretation, you know.
Beautiful.
904
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And when I heard this, it changed everything
I thought about the Rolling Stones.
905
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I would go to, like, old record stores
906
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and shop and just pile up my catalogue.
907
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And this was one of them, you know?
From the artwork to the music.
908
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And it was a Rolling Stones record
that wasn't...
909
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you know, the big popular album.
910
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So, if I had this in my collection,
911
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it symbolised that, you know, I was ultra...
I was mega=cool, right?
912
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And, you know,
when you're 18, 19 years old,
913
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and you have
your little backpack of records...
914
00:02:00,226 --> 00:02:02,990
Now, kids are walking around with,
you know...
915
00:02:03,029 --> 00:02:06,487
It's weightless, you know?
You're just flipping through things.
916
00:02:06,532 --> 00:02:13,131
But if you had a backpack with just
all the cool mega=stuff, you didn't care...
917
00:02:13,172 --> 00:02:18,075
Now, these kids are walking around
with a whole record store. Full of content.
918
00:02:18,110 --> 00:02:21,273
But if you had the mega=ness
in your backpack...
919
00:02:21,313 --> 00:02:24,805
"What? You got that
Rolling Stones record?" "Yeah, yeah."
920
00:02:24,850 --> 00:02:27,341
And this record in particular,
was the first one
921
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that I felt like they finally had 100%
confidence to just say, "Fuck you".
922
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And they had the songs,
they had the hits, so...
923
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I mean, the record label
couldn't say anything to them.
924
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They had the songs but if you listen,
925
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intertwined in every song
there is a big "fuck you" in some way.
926
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I must have been 24, 23, and I was...
927
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I had no television, you know,
I had no phone. I was living in this apartment
928
00:02:59,785 --> 00:03:04,654
and all I did was listen to Exile On Main St.
over and over again, obsessively.
929
00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:07,853
And it was so satisfying.
It was such a...
930
00:03:07,893 --> 00:03:13,195
As a work, it's still my absolute
favourite album of all time, ever.
931
00:03:13,232 --> 00:03:18,693
It's my, you know,
desert island, deathbed album.
932
00:03:18,737 --> 00:03:25,472
Because it's just so satisfying in every...
Musically, emotionally, lyrically.
933
00:03:25,511 --> 00:03:29,709
The stories that are told,
the grandeur, the ruination.
934
00:03:29,748 --> 00:03:32,012
You know? It's all there.
935
00:03:32,051 --> 00:03:36,010
For me, Exile On Main St.
is the rock and roll bible.
936
00:03:36,055 --> 00:03:39,889
I think it's a perfect marriage of...
937
00:03:39,925 --> 00:03:45,795
electric blues with a tinge of country
and soul music.
938
00:03:46,899 --> 00:03:50,596
I think it's the height
of the Rolling Stones for me,
939
00:03:50,636 --> 00:03:54,128
because I love Mick Taylor.
940
00:03:54,173 --> 00:03:59,406
You can just feel kind of what was going on
in their lives and in that atmosphere,
941
00:03:59,445 --> 00:04:01,436
while they were making that record.
942
00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:08,113
There is an undercurrent to this thing
that I can't put my finger on,
943
00:04:08,154 --> 00:04:11,988
even as someone who makes records.
I have no idea where this comes from.
944
00:04:12,024 --> 00:04:15,858
And that's that foreboding, evil undercurrent.
945
00:04:18,164 --> 00:04:20,098
I don't know that they intended that,
946
00:04:20,132 --> 00:04:24,034
I don't even know
that that's what was going on with them,
947
00:04:24,069 --> 00:04:27,129
but there's something.
From the photos on the cover, right?
948
00:04:27,173 --> 00:04:32,770
You know, the minute you have
a tactile connection to that record,
949
00:04:32,811 --> 00:04:37,180
there is a dark message to it.
950
00:04:37,216 --> 00:04:41,016
Yeah... It's a mystery.
I don't know what that's about.
951
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You know, hit the cover
and you'll get to hear like, you know...
952
00:04:55,868 --> 00:04:58,564
= Like a sample of it.
= A sample of the songs.
953
00:04:58,604 --> 00:05:02,165
You were going off of the art, you know?
954
00:05:02,208 --> 00:05:05,336
When the art of a record, you know,
955
00:05:05,377 --> 00:05:08,574
gave you a vision of what it might sound like.
956
00:05:10,049 --> 00:05:14,748
Nobody knows what that means
but it offends everyone for some reason.
957
00:05:14,787 --> 00:05:18,780
Everything, like, has this vulgar and sleazy...
958
00:05:18,824 --> 00:05:22,282
in like a great way,
made every...
959
00:05:22,328 --> 00:05:26,458
In my opinion,
made me a guy who was, you know,
960
00:05:26,498 --> 00:05:29,990
for a part of my life
I was scared of rock and roll
961
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cos I thought it was the opposite
of what was real and what was right.
962
00:05:34,873 --> 00:05:38,331
And when I heard this record,
it made you feel good about it.
963
00:05:39,645 --> 00:05:43,046
I miss the hair.
They had great hair back then.
964
00:05:43,082 --> 00:05:46,745
If you had that hairdo and you were
from England, it was a good hairdo.
965
00:05:46,785 --> 00:05:51,813
If you were from America, it was a mullet.
Never understood that.
966
00:05:52,891 --> 00:05:56,554
It's all about the freaks.
It's all freaks and that's how they felt.
967
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They were the freaks. They were
these huge rock stars but they were freaks.
968
00:06:00,733 --> 00:06:05,102
And that's how they felt and that's how
they walked through, like a freak show.
969
00:06:05,137 --> 00:06:09,699
I mean, I know a little bit about fame
and you do feel like a freak.
970
00:06:09,742 --> 00:06:14,145
To me, that's that point of view, as you said,
the narrative in the entire album.
971
00:06:14,179 --> 00:06:17,637
It's like being...
It's like looking through the eyes of a freak
972
00:06:17,683 --> 00:06:21,278
as they're looked at by everyone else.
973
00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,811
I just...
God! The stories just crush me!
974
00:06:23,856 --> 00:06:27,724
My impressions of what's going on
in the stories of that record
975
00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,823
are all about being
both sort of king of the hill
976
00:06:32,865 --> 00:06:36,096
and completely alienated from mainstream.
977
00:06:36,135 --> 00:06:38,433
That's what Exile On Main St. Means to me.
978
00:06:38,470 --> 00:06:42,566
That they are sort of rock stars
so they're grand,
979
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they're above everything,
so they're in it but they're not of it.
980
00:06:45,978 --> 00:06:47,536
And so they're walking around,
981
00:06:47,579 --> 00:06:54,075
Iooking at everything through the lens
of alienation and, you know...
982
00:06:54,119 --> 00:06:58,886
There's a lot of Ioneliness
and there's a lot of heartbreak.
983
00:06:58,924 --> 00:07:00,323
There's a lot of soul in the record.
984
00:07:08,734 --> 00:07:13,068
It's a great thing...
It's an inspiring thing to see
985
00:07:13,105 --> 00:07:17,337
how hated it was when it came out
and how revered it is now.
986
00:07:17,376 --> 00:07:21,870
That's inspiring to know, you know,
when you're releasing records yourself.
987
00:07:21,914 --> 00:07:26,874
But... Yeah, it's just not accessible.
It's not poppy and accessible at all.
988
00:07:26,919 --> 00:07:29,319
Like, it didn't have any poppy hits on it
989
00:07:29,355 --> 00:07:34,019
and I think that was confusing to people
at the time, coming from the Stones.
990
00:07:34,059 --> 00:07:38,359
But it was them at their best. I mean,
the Stones, when they're at their best,
991
00:07:38,397 --> 00:07:42,891
are an incredible blues band
and this is them doing that.
992
00:07:42,935 --> 00:07:47,497
So... it's a perfect portrait of them.
993
00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:51,439
When I heard this, it was 1994.
994
00:07:51,477 --> 00:07:56,073
And I already knew, you know,
the logo of the Rolling Stones.
995
00:07:56,115 --> 00:08:00,779
It was imprinted in my brain. When I thought
of the Rolling Stones, I thought of the logo.
996
00:08:00,819 --> 00:08:04,311
I thought of Mick, you know.
997
00:08:04,356 --> 00:08:07,757
You know, I thought...
The band, you know?
998
00:08:09,928 --> 00:08:13,295
And this was, you know...
999
00:08:13,332 --> 00:08:17,701
If it wasn't for this record, I would have
thought the Stones just did this.
1000
00:08:17,736 --> 00:08:22,673
But this is like peaks and valleys
of creativity and expression, you know.
1001
00:08:23,976 --> 00:08:27,207
There's education.
Cos it is '93 now, right?
1002
00:08:27,246 --> 00:08:33,412
This is an old record.
As well as all their other ones, you know?
1003
00:08:33,452 --> 00:08:36,148
But what it showed me was...
1004
00:08:36,188 --> 00:08:42,718
to be an artist isn't just about,
you know, popular songs,
1005
00:08:42,761 --> 00:08:46,458
it's about a body of work, you know?
1006
00:08:46,498 --> 00:08:50,457
Eclectic, odd, avant=garde,
1007
00:08:50,502 --> 00:08:54,336
straightforward, you know,
1008
00:08:54,373 --> 00:08:58,332
on topic, off topic.
That's what groups are supposed to do.
1009
00:08:58,377 --> 00:09:00,777
Yeah, man, this whole record is just...
1010
00:09:00,813 --> 00:09:03,475
From the artwork to everything about it,
1011
00:09:03,515 --> 00:09:07,383
you could tell they were just kind of
at a point where they were going for it
1012
00:09:07,419 --> 00:09:11,253
and didn't care if they were going to
offend the masses.
1013
00:09:11,290 --> 00:09:14,487
It sounds like they had fun
when they made the record.
1014
00:09:14,526 --> 00:09:18,485
You rarely hear a record that the people
actually sound like they're having fun.
1015
00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:22,364
I don't talk to anyone about this record
and I don't want to talk to people about it.
1016
00:09:22,401 --> 00:09:26,337
Like, it's my record.
It's my special, personal, private record.
1017
00:09:26,371 --> 00:09:29,272
With my boyfriend,
he'd be like, "Let's put it on!"
1018
00:09:29,308 --> 00:09:32,106
I'm like, "No! I can't do that with you."
1019
00:09:32,144 --> 00:09:35,602
He probably wanted to have sex to it
or something and I'm like, "No!"
1020
00:09:35,647 --> 00:09:38,639
You know what I mean?
Like that just can't be done for me.
1021
00:09:38,684 --> 00:09:43,587
Like I wouldn't put it on while... I wouldn't
be able to eat dinner with this record on.
1022
00:09:43,622 --> 00:09:48,150
It would feel sacrilegious to me.
It would feel wrong.
1023
00:09:48,193 --> 00:09:53,597
That's a record that I can come to
when I'm feeling like king of the world,
1024
00:09:53,632 --> 00:09:57,728
or when I've just had my heart broken,
or when someone just died,
1025
00:09:57,769 --> 00:10:04,140
or when I need to, you know,
find my musical bearings again.
1026
00:10:04,176 --> 00:10:07,441
It's a journey of sound.
1027
00:10:07,479 --> 00:10:12,382
Nowadays, we can go on and just click,
you know, like a smorgasbord.
1028
00:10:12,417 --> 00:10:14,078
"I just want corn today."
1029
00:10:14,119 --> 00:10:18,783
And the chefs like, "Really, try this fish.
It goes great with the corn."
1030
00:10:18,824 --> 00:10:21,122
"No, no, no, I'm just gonna get the corn."
1031
00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:25,892
"But I prepared this wonderful fish that just...
Taste=wise...
1032
00:10:25,931 --> 00:10:30,630
"The spice and the fish
goes great with the sweet corn."
1033
00:10:30,669 --> 00:10:35,163
"No, no, keep your motherfucking fish,
I just want the goddamn corn." Right?
1034
00:10:35,207 --> 00:10:37,698
And they have the opportunity to do that
1035
00:10:37,743 --> 00:10:42,942
and they're missing out on a great meal,
a great body of work, you know?
1036
00:10:42,981 --> 00:10:44,608
And this is one of them,
1037
00:10:44,650 --> 00:10:50,020
where you put it on through the whole way
and have it colour your time.
1038
00:10:50,055 --> 00:10:55,186
I love that record because it's something
that could really confuse a journalist,
1039
00:10:55,227 --> 00:10:57,422
sort of make him rethink his whole career,
1040
00:10:57,462 --> 00:11:01,922
because he can't box
the Stones in any more.
1041
00:11:01,967 --> 00:11:05,869
I mean, there's 15 directions
going on at once.
1042
00:11:08,507 --> 00:11:12,500
I just love when they're befuddled like that.
1043
00:11:22,621 --> 00:11:24,418
They'd moved past the blues
1044
00:11:24,456 --> 00:11:28,324
and gone into other areas of southern
American music, gospel and country.
1045
00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:34,663
I think they listened to the best
of what American music had to offer.
1046
00:11:35,767 --> 00:11:38,292
They managed to combine, as I said,
1047
00:11:38,337 --> 00:11:44,867
this sort of R&B and this electric blues
with country music
1048
00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:47,936
and with real deep southern soul music.
1049
00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:56,319
And even Mick's ability
to portray an old black bluesman
1050
00:11:56,355 --> 00:12:01,816
in the way he delivered his singing
was kind of amazing, you know,
1051
00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:05,159
for a scrawny little English guy.
1052
00:12:06,298 --> 00:12:10,132
I listen to it and I think it's the best
of where I came from, you know,
1053
00:12:10,168 --> 00:12:13,103
right along Route 66
and growing up on the Mississippi.
1054
00:12:13,138 --> 00:12:21,341
They managed to really draw from that
and bring it into their English soul music.
1055
00:12:21,380 --> 00:12:25,680
I was born in Memphis
and so I used to go down to Beale Street.
1056
00:12:25,717 --> 00:12:28,948
You'd hear guys on the corner
just playing and you'd think,
1057
00:12:28,987 --> 00:12:32,855
"Man, those guys are better than anyone
you could ever hear on the radio."
1058
00:12:32,891 --> 00:12:34,984
But you'll never hear them on the radio.
1059
00:12:35,027 --> 00:12:39,225
And then you have a band like this
that just, you know,
1060
00:12:39,264 --> 00:12:45,225
they worked really really hard and then
just started to get where they could play.
1061
00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:47,067
They had the world at their fingertips
1062
00:12:47,105 --> 00:12:49,903
and they could just play whatever kind
of music they wanted.
1063
00:12:49,941 --> 00:12:53,274
In a lot of ways, with their music,
they were trying to represent
1064
00:12:53,311 --> 00:12:55,836
the people that were never
going to make it on the radio.
1065
00:12:55,881 --> 00:13:00,944
America just, you know,
didn't care about its true musicians,
1066
00:13:00,986 --> 00:13:03,978
its true home=grown musicians.
They never cared.
1067
00:13:04,022 --> 00:13:08,925
They had some white guy redo it,
which I guess this is the same thing,
1068
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,053
and then it was OK and it was fabulous.
1069
00:13:11,096 --> 00:13:17,001
But those, you know, early blues,
the Deep South, those musicians,
1070
00:13:17,035 --> 00:13:20,266
they never made the money
they should have nor got the credit,
1071
00:13:20,305 --> 00:13:23,968
nor got the accolades...
1072
00:13:24,009 --> 00:13:27,274
till they were 90 or dead,
you know what I mean?
1073
00:13:27,312 --> 00:13:29,542
That's kind of a depressing thought,
1074
00:13:29,581 --> 00:13:34,678
that it took Englishmen
to come in and kind of say,
1075
00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,554
"Hey, I think you might be
onto something here", you know?
1076
00:13:38,590 --> 00:13:43,618
And there's something beautiful
about the way they saw America
1077
00:13:43,662 --> 00:13:47,564
and what parts of America they cherished,
which was the... you know,
1078
00:13:47,599 --> 00:13:53,037
Deep South, African=American,
I like to call black, but, you know,
1079
00:13:53,071 --> 00:13:58,703
music that just was truly American.
1080
00:13:58,744 --> 00:14:05,274
You can see the impact of blues through
other genres and through other cultures,
1081
00:14:05,317 --> 00:14:10,118
and then siphoned through and
filtered through the Stones' sort of camera.
1082
00:14:10,155 --> 00:14:15,149
It's interesting to learn about yourself
through somebody else's viewpoint
1083
00:14:15,193 --> 00:14:17,320
and I think America was probably doing that
1084
00:14:17,362 --> 00:14:23,995
but it just took a long time to allow that
to take root, you know, with this record.
1085
00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:35,004
When people say devil music,
that's devil music right there.
1086
00:14:37,048 --> 00:14:39,414
Damn fucking devil!
1087
00:14:39,451 --> 00:14:41,476
Sounds so good.
1088
00:14:42,821 --> 00:14:47,258
I Just Want See His Face is like... The first
time I heard it, I was scared to death.
1089
00:14:47,292 --> 00:14:50,261
I was like, "Oh, no.
I'm gonna get struck dead", you know?
1090
00:14:50,295 --> 00:14:53,355
"I don't want to talk about Jesus,
I just wanna see his face."
1091
00:14:53,398 --> 00:14:57,357
Then they all talk about dropping to
those knees and thanking God and it's like...
1092
00:14:57,402 --> 00:14:59,529
They pretty much covered everything.
1093
00:15:00,071 --> 00:15:04,872
And you know those black girls singing,
"I just wanna see his face"?
1094
00:15:04,910 --> 00:15:08,812
They do not agree with that.
They believe in Jesus, very much so.
1095
00:15:12,884 --> 00:15:17,719
There was a couple of things
that took me by surprise
1096
00:15:17,756 --> 00:15:20,281
and I thought were maybe done wrong
1097
00:15:20,325 --> 00:15:24,921
but then they came back
and they sounded incredible to me.
1098
00:15:24,963 --> 00:15:28,455
One was at the beginning
of the track Ventilator Blues,
1099
00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:34,166
after the first guitar licks happen,
there should be a kick drum.
1100
00:15:34,206 --> 00:15:37,004
It should be..."When your...
1101
00:15:37,042 --> 00:15:38,737
"Spine is cracking..."
1102
00:15:38,777 --> 00:15:42,838
There should be a kick drum right there
and there's not.
1103
00:15:42,881 --> 00:15:45,907
And that pissed me off when I first heard it
1104
00:15:45,951 --> 00:15:49,114
and the drum start on the up,
on the snare...
1105
00:15:49,154 --> 00:15:52,055
But now I love that,
that's my favourite part about that.
1106
00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:55,924
You know, I always cock my head
when that part comes in.
1107
00:15:55,961 --> 00:16:00,364
I think I'm gonna do Loving Cup.
I think that's one I like a whole lot.
1108
00:16:01,533 --> 00:16:04,661
That always made me wanna be...
Like I wanna, you know...
1109
00:16:04,703 --> 00:16:08,195
I remember, I would feel that...
Are you really gonna play it?
1110
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,731
= Yeah!
= Hilarious! This is awesome.
1111
00:16:27,058 --> 00:16:30,255
Doesn't it just remind you
of late nights and like...
1112
00:16:30,295 --> 00:16:34,129
You guys must have gone through
the bar phase of your life,
1113
00:16:34,165 --> 00:16:38,727
where you have no pride, you know?
I just love that.
1114
00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:41,500
Been through?
I could still be there, I don't know...
1115
00:16:58,089 --> 00:16:59,249
Listen to his vocals.
1116
00:17:04,129 --> 00:17:08,429
There's so much abandon
in the vocal performances and in the guitar.
1117
00:17:08,466 --> 00:17:13,028
There's so much abandon. They're so
unself=conscious, they're just letting it out.
1118
00:17:13,071 --> 00:17:17,132
It just feels like something folding out,
like an elephant's trunk...
1119
00:17:17,742 --> 00:17:21,405
It wasn't, you know, just a joke
that it might change the world.
1120
00:17:21,446 --> 00:17:26,975
It might actually sweep a youth culture
into a new state of mind,
1121
00:17:27,018 --> 00:17:29,384
like you actually had the potential to do that.
1122
00:17:29,421 --> 00:17:32,652
Don't you miss bands
that actually disturb the social fabric?
1123
00:17:32,691 --> 00:17:35,751
Don't you miss
that there was a social fabric to disturb?
1124
00:17:35,794 --> 00:17:40,822
What disturbs our fabric any more? Nothing.
Nobody does anything like that any more.
1125
00:17:40,865 --> 00:17:42,856
There aren't any rock stars any more.
1126
00:17:42,901 --> 00:17:45,369
I love Rip This Joint
just cos it's so raucous
1127
00:17:45,403 --> 00:17:52,241
but I would say that Sweet Virginia
is probably the jam song of all time.
1128
00:17:52,277 --> 00:17:56,008
Like, if you don't know Sweet Virginia,
then you need to go home.
1129
00:17:56,047 --> 00:17:59,710
And it is probably the one song
that whenever you're sitting with a band,
1130
00:17:59,751 --> 00:18:04,450
you can all play that song
because it is part of our genetic history,
1131
00:18:04,489 --> 00:18:06,389
as far as music is concerned.
1132
00:18:15,533 --> 00:18:17,558
Right. Now, is everyone settled?
1133
00:18:17,602 --> 00:18:22,505
I don't want anyone moving around.
I am a very nervous person.
1134
00:18:22,540 --> 00:18:25,668
What happened with Exile On Main St.
was totally different.
1135
00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:28,907
And I think that the...
1136
00:18:28,947 --> 00:18:33,680
There's no doubt that they had
this mantle of...
1137
00:18:33,718 --> 00:18:38,485
representing the entire culture
of rock and roll.
1138
00:18:38,523 --> 00:18:41,583
And they had to change, I think.
1139
00:18:41,626 --> 00:18:44,026
Or they felt they had to or wanted to change
1140
00:18:44,062 --> 00:18:46,587
or felt they were searching
for some other way to become...
1141
00:18:46,631 --> 00:18:51,034
How were they going to develop?
Where was their music gonna go?
1142
00:18:51,069 --> 00:18:53,765
How was it gonna develop
into anything new?
1143
00:18:53,805 --> 00:18:58,435
And it was retaliation against everything
that had come before, I think.
1144
00:18:58,476 --> 00:19:02,207
Not that they were repudiating
any of their work,
1145
00:19:02,247 --> 00:19:07,207
but they had to think differently
and it seemed like a terrible struggle.
1146
00:19:07,252 --> 00:19:11,518
I was aware of the mythology
1147
00:19:11,556 --> 00:19:14,787
surrounding the making of Exile On Main St.
1148
00:19:14,826 --> 00:19:17,556
really from the time it came out.
1149
00:19:17,595 --> 00:19:23,932
And over the years, especially once
I started recording with them,
1150
00:19:23,968 --> 00:19:28,200
you know, I asked a lot of questions,
I got a little clearer picture about it but...
1151
00:19:29,607 --> 00:19:33,737
The mythology
had a huge impact on me in 1972.
1152
00:19:36,714 --> 00:19:41,413
Just the little bit of information
that came out was kind of life=changing.
1153
00:19:41,453 --> 00:19:43,512
The drugs had changed...
1154
00:19:44,522 --> 00:19:47,047
That's a major factor in this, OK?
1155
00:19:48,693 --> 00:19:53,289
It went from this happy giggle stuff
to something else.
1156
00:19:53,331 --> 00:20:00,203
And the politics had changed, man.
Nixon was levelling Cambodia and Laos...
1157
00:20:00,238 --> 00:20:02,934
It was a weird time.
1158
00:20:02,974 --> 00:20:10,380
In '72, I'd just written a paper
about Joseph Conrad for class at school.
1159
00:20:10,415 --> 00:20:13,248
And then these guys put this album out.
1160
00:20:13,284 --> 00:20:16,515
And I'd always looked to them as leaders,
you know?
1161
00:20:17,622 --> 00:20:19,590
And the message I got was...
1162
00:20:20,525 --> 00:20:24,518
"Follow us, we're going the wrong way,
against the current, up the river
1163
00:20:24,562 --> 00:20:28,123
"and we're gonna be hanging out
with Captain Kurtz."
1164
00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:31,602
And that was...
And the pictures that filtered through
1165
00:20:31,636 --> 00:20:36,096
of them recording the album
bore that out there, like...
1166
00:20:36,141 --> 00:20:38,939
I'd have to go back and see them
but my image of it is...
1167
00:20:38,977 --> 00:20:42,242
It looked like the prisoners of
the POWs in Hanoi, you know?
1168
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,511
These real stark black and white things.
1169
00:20:45,550 --> 00:20:50,544
And they'd gone off to some distant place,
maybe it's like Lord Of The Flies, you know?
1170
00:20:50,588 --> 00:20:54,718
Just this... They were not gonna abide
by the laws and they were saying,
1171
00:20:54,759 --> 00:21:00,629
"Get out while you still can.
The ship's going down."
1172
00:21:04,102 --> 00:21:06,764
It was apocalyptic.
1173
00:21:06,804 --> 00:21:09,466
It's dark and foreboding
1174
00:21:09,507 --> 00:21:14,444
but at the same time,
it was quite alluring, man.
1175
00:21:14,479 --> 00:21:18,381
They were having fun.
And it was totally cool.
1176
00:21:19,284 --> 00:21:21,844
It was a scary record.
1177
00:21:21,886 --> 00:21:26,220
It was an exraordinary decade,
there's no doubting it, and it had to end.
1178
00:21:26,257 --> 00:21:31,217
It had to come to an end. Why should we
put it on the Rolling Stones that it ended?
1179
00:21:31,262 --> 00:21:33,025
It was coming to an end anyway.
1180
00:21:33,064 --> 00:21:36,431
I don't mean just because it was changing
from 1969 to 1970.
1181
00:21:36,467 --> 00:21:41,336
The 60's really ended, I think,
in about '73 or '7 4, really.
1182
00:21:41,372 --> 00:21:44,705
And so they had to strike out
for something new.
1183
00:21:44,742 --> 00:21:49,577
And also I guess to search for other ways
of telling a story with music,
1184
00:21:49,614 --> 00:21:53,607
which means all the different influences
that they had over the years, right?
1185
00:21:53,651 --> 00:21:58,748
I mean, blues, rock, gospel,
everything together.
1186
00:21:59,290 --> 00:22:01,986
It's a touchstone for a lot of musicians,
I think.
1187
00:22:02,026 --> 00:22:09,091
Because there's a unity between
how you play and how you live your life
1188
00:22:09,133 --> 00:22:12,796
in that record, man, you know?
And that's different from other things.
1189
00:22:12,837 --> 00:22:19,208
The looseness, the lack of
self=consciousness, the confidence...
1190
00:22:21,846 --> 00:22:25,043
The confidence towards the world
and also in your own playing.
1191
00:22:25,083 --> 00:22:26,243
"I'm not gonna get lost,
1192
00:22:26,284 --> 00:22:29,378
"don't worry about whether
we're speeding up or slowing down."
1193
00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:33,481
It's about feel,
it's about being in the moment.
1194
00:22:33,524 --> 00:22:35,549
It's a Zen record like that, man.
1195
00:22:35,593 --> 00:22:39,586
It's all about being in the moment
and enjoying the moment.
1196
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:45,469
There's probably not
a better example of that out there.
1197
00:22:45,503 --> 00:22:49,872
And so, for musicians, it's not just,
"I wanna make music that sounds like that."
1198
00:22:49,907 --> 00:22:53,172
It's, "I wanna live my life like that."
1199
00:22:53,211 --> 00:22:55,611
Main St. Is downtown LA.
1200
00:22:55,647 --> 00:22:58,639
You can't get more main than that,
it's real down and out.
1201
00:22:58,683 --> 00:23:02,813
I had moved to LA in the early 70's,
by '72, I was living in LA.
1202
00:23:02,854 --> 00:23:05,584
By '73, I was shooting Mean Streets,
1203
00:23:06,324 --> 00:23:10,454
some of it in New York,
the rest in LA, on Main St.
1204
00:23:10,495 --> 00:23:12,520
And it was the down=and=out area.
1205
00:23:12,563 --> 00:23:16,124
It was like being on skid row
on the Bowery where I grew up, actually,
1206
00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:19,466
on the Lower East Side,
in the old Italian area.
1207
00:23:19,504 --> 00:23:22,803
It's a sense of being the outcast,
of being on the edge of society,
1208
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,799
on the fringes I should say, not the edge.
People that don't count.
1209
00:23:26,844 --> 00:23:31,781
Supposedly don't count,
yet they're still there.
1210
00:23:31,816 --> 00:23:37,220
Look at this. I mean, you know...
The incredible photography of Robert Frank.
1211
00:23:39,891 --> 00:23:41,950
Also taking in the side show.
1212
00:23:43,461 --> 00:23:47,329
The desperation of the side show performer,
you know?
1213
00:23:47,365 --> 00:23:49,663
And all these elements,
I think, come to play.
1214
00:23:49,701 --> 00:23:51,999
And Main Street,
you had to know it a little bit.
1215
00:23:52,036 --> 00:23:57,736
And also the fact that Main Street
is a term that's used for...
1216
00:23:57,775 --> 00:23:59,572
How should I put it?
1217
00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:02,135
...the white picket fence,
small=town Americana,
1218
00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:07,413
but Main Street in Los Angeles
and New York, you know, different place.
1219
00:24:07,452 --> 00:24:08,783
They were, I guess...
1220
00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:11,948
Maybe they fostered the image of
1221
00:24:11,989 --> 00:24:15,015
the outcast to a certain exent,
and the rebel, obviously.
1222
00:24:15,059 --> 00:24:18,961
They all did in rock and roll, all rebels,
but these guys were something else.
1223
00:24:18,996 --> 00:24:25,367
This was some other existence
that led the way.
1224
00:24:35,713 --> 00:24:38,580
I think this album was kind of a turning point,
1225
00:24:38,616 --> 00:24:44,145
kind of a letting go
of everything before this record.
1226
00:24:44,188 --> 00:24:47,282
And this and Let It Bleed, for me,
and Sticky Fingers...
1227
00:24:47,325 --> 00:24:50,419
It certainly set me on a course as an artist.
1228
00:24:50,461 --> 00:24:56,058
I would say that they probably are
the most influential rock artists in my life.
1229
00:24:56,100 --> 00:25:00,867
And the record really represents a freedom
1230
00:25:00,905 --> 00:25:04,739
and a stepping away
from the conventional and from the norm.
1231
00:25:06,577 --> 00:25:09,137
A freedom in letting go of your surroundings
1232
00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:12,081
and, as I said, that has a lot to do with...
1233
00:25:12,116 --> 00:25:15,916
What happens in your art
is leaving all the familiarity behind
1234
00:25:15,953 --> 00:25:18,615
and bringing your circus
on the road with you.
1235
00:25:18,656 --> 00:25:23,992
Another thing about this record
is that I have never googled the lyrics.
1236
00:25:24,028 --> 00:25:26,826
I don't really want to know the actual lyrics.
1237
00:25:26,864 --> 00:25:29,924
I am very attached
to what I think the songs are about
1238
00:25:29,967 --> 00:25:33,368
and there are so many words in these songs
1239
00:25:33,404 --> 00:25:36,237
that I've caught obviously many snippets.
1240
00:25:36,274 --> 00:25:39,437
I know basically what's being said
1241
00:25:39,477 --> 00:25:42,969
but I do not want to know
actually what's being said.
1242
00:25:43,014 --> 00:25:45,915
Cos it's very powerful.
1243
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:49,511
This is a special record that way
and I bet a lot of people feel that way.
1244
00:25:49,554 --> 00:25:51,749
They think they know what it's about
1245
00:25:51,789 --> 00:25:54,815
and they're gonna go to their grave
believing that.
1246
00:25:54,859 --> 00:25:58,192
I mean, what does it really mean?
1247
00:25:58,229 --> 00:25:59,628
It really means...
1248
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:08,261
It really means what's at the core
of all the rock stardom, that whole...
1249
00:26:08,306 --> 00:26:12,538
Let's face it, at the bottom of a lot of bravado
is just basic insecurity
1250
00:26:12,577 --> 00:26:14,807
and I feel like this record...
1251
00:26:16,547 --> 00:26:19,778
is a perfect portrait of, like,
the essence
1252
00:26:19,817 --> 00:26:22,285
of what made them rock stars
in the first place.
1253
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,878
As a kid, growing up,
1254
00:26:23,921 --> 00:26:29,223
I imagined the Stones as being absolutely
intimidating and raucous
1255
00:26:29,260 --> 00:26:33,754
and it all being about sex and drugs.
And when you listen to the record,
1256
00:26:33,798 --> 00:26:37,632
although that may be
the environment of the record
1257
00:26:37,668 --> 00:26:40,603
or the sonic environment of the record,
1258
00:26:40,638 --> 00:26:43,402
the musicianship on it is seminal,
you know?
1259
00:26:43,441 --> 00:26:48,401
You had some of the greatest drumming
in rock history with Charlie.
1260
00:26:48,446 --> 00:26:52,746
And although we think of
the Rolling Stones as being...
1261
00:26:52,783 --> 00:26:55,047
the recordings being steeped in looseness
1262
00:26:55,086 --> 00:27:00,388
and sort of being a rock and roll shambles,
if you will, it's really not.
1263
00:27:00,424 --> 00:27:05,020
I mean, it's some of the great,
I think, pop craftsmanship
1264
00:27:05,062 --> 00:27:10,227
and some of the great rock recording,
1265
00:27:10,268 --> 00:27:14,102
just as far as the arrangements
are concerned, of all time.
1266
00:27:14,138 --> 00:27:16,800
And I think that, you know,
you get into music now,
1267
00:27:16,841 --> 00:27:18,900
you listen to some of what's happening
1268
00:27:18,943 --> 00:27:22,902
and in almost every great rock band,
you hear the influence of the Stones.
1269
00:27:22,947 --> 00:27:25,814
Exile was the record that really made me go,
1270
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:30,219
"All right, these guys
are going to be around forever.
1271
00:27:30,254 --> 00:27:35,282
"They're gonna be 95,
on the stage, wearing Nikes..."
1272
00:27:35,326 --> 00:27:39,319
I've seen you, Mick.
He wears Nikes, that's awesome.
1273
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:55,201
When I came to this...
But I was a freak at that time.
1274
00:27:55,246 --> 00:27:58,238
And when I made my record
off of their record...
1275
00:27:58,282 --> 00:28:01,479
By the way, I met Mick once in LA.
1276
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:05,080
They were, I don't know,
doing some record release party
1277
00:28:05,122 --> 00:28:07,613
which is nex level record release party,
1278
00:28:07,658 --> 00:28:11,890
like everyone, journalists flew in,
you know what I mean?
1279
00:28:11,929 --> 00:28:13,988
And he looked at me...
1280
00:28:14,031 --> 00:28:17,330
The guy, the producer I was working with,
introduced me and said,
1281
00:28:17,368 --> 00:28:19,666
"Oh, she made Exile In Guyville."
1282
00:28:19,704 --> 00:28:22,764
And he looked at me
like he actually forgave me
1283
00:28:22,807 --> 00:28:26,208
for doing something so awful
as to make my record.
1284
00:28:26,243 --> 00:28:29,303
And, like, had he known
how much I loved this record
1285
00:28:29,347 --> 00:28:34,080
and that really it became symbolic
of a male persona for me.
1286
00:28:34,118 --> 00:28:39,647
Like, I actually had a relationship
with the guy who is singing all these stories.
1287
00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:43,786
And that was my boyfriend and I was
either saying, "Oh, please love me",
1288
00:28:43,828 --> 00:28:47,889
or "You dick!"
or whatever I was saying to this guy,
1289
00:28:47,932 --> 00:28:52,335
this imaginary guy,
was what this record meant to me.
1290
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:55,771
It was all the men that I had loved
and thought were flamboyant
1291
00:28:55,806 --> 00:28:59,037
and stood out from the crowd
in our rock and roll scene in Chicago,
1292
00:28:59,076 --> 00:29:01,601
and didn't give me
the time of day, or they did,
1293
00:29:01,646 --> 00:29:03,637
or they toyed with me or whatever it was,
1294
00:29:03,681 --> 00:29:07,947
I was deep in a personal relationship
with this record.
1295
00:29:07,985 --> 00:29:13,946
And I was not critiquing it.
I was yelling at my imaginary boyfriend.
1296
00:29:13,991 --> 00:29:17,358
Nobody really ever asked me
about Exile On Main St.
1297
00:29:17,395 --> 00:29:21,195
when I was making or when I came out with
Exile In Guyville,
1298
00:29:21,232 --> 00:29:27,967
except to say, "Is it really a song by song
response? Because I don't hear it."
1299
00:29:28,005 --> 00:29:30,769
And, frankly, I think that's just sexism
1300
00:29:30,808 --> 00:29:33,436
because you'd have to be a girl
to understand what I was doing.
1301
00:29:33,477 --> 00:29:35,741
Men would be like,
"Well, you have no horns."
1302
00:29:35,780 --> 00:29:39,238
You know? "There's no brass."
You know? They just didn't get it.
1303
00:29:46,424 --> 00:29:49,587
See, I'm not sure
what prompted the decision.
1304
00:29:49,627 --> 00:29:54,587
But I just got a call from Mick,
early in 2009,
1305
00:29:54,632 --> 00:29:57,100
saying, "We're thinking of reissuing Exile
1306
00:29:57,134 --> 00:30:00,297
"with a few exra
previously unreleased tracks.
1307
00:30:00,337 --> 00:30:01,804
"Would you be interested?"
1308
00:30:03,074 --> 00:30:04,666
"Yeah, OK."
1309
00:30:04,709 --> 00:30:06,609
So, nex thing I know...
1310
00:30:07,578 --> 00:30:12,709
I got the equivalent
of 200 boxes of tape, maybe more.
1311
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:14,809
It was all on hard drives at this point.
1312
00:30:15,352 --> 00:30:21,723
When I first started on the thing,
I got a fax from Keith. A stern one.
1313
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:28,790
Saying, "Don't try to make it sound
like Exile. It already is Exile."
1314
00:30:28,833 --> 00:30:32,564
And that was very wise
and he was absolutely right.
1315
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,568
The task was to not get in the way of it.
1316
00:30:42,012 --> 00:30:43,707
Don't fix it up.
1317
00:30:43,748 --> 00:30:47,912
You know, it really is archival,
as much as anything.
1318
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,015
Part of the consideration was...
1319
00:30:51,055 --> 00:30:54,513
Don't just put out the same stuff
that's been bootlegged to death
1320
00:30:54,558 --> 00:30:56,685
if you're gonna add something new to it.
1321
00:30:56,727 --> 00:31:00,754
And let's try to find those gems,
like Sophia Loren, that no one has heard.
1322
00:31:00,798 --> 00:31:05,497
Like, no one's heard, that's never been
bootlegged. That was a joy.
1323
00:31:05,536 --> 00:31:11,600
Aladdin Story, which has been heard
and covered by Death In Vegas.
1324
00:31:11,642 --> 00:31:15,009
I don't know if you ever...
It's amazing...
1325
00:31:15,045 --> 00:31:18,811
They did a recording of it,
and very faithful, too.
1326
00:31:19,884 --> 00:31:25,550
But no one's ever heard it with the vocal.
So that's something that's cool.
1327
00:31:28,526 --> 00:31:32,326
It was really... to try to make
something interesting for people,
1328
00:31:32,363 --> 00:31:34,627
something that would hold together.
1329
00:31:34,665 --> 00:31:37,600
We were really just looking
for three or four tracks.
1330
00:31:37,635 --> 00:31:40,502
We ended up finishing 1 1,
1331
00:31:40,538 --> 00:31:43,871
and to be honest with you,
there's more there.
1332
00:31:43,908 --> 00:31:51,076
And it'd already been pillaged, too,
for Tattoo You and for Goats Head Soup.
1333
00:31:54,118 --> 00:32:00,023
And there's a lot of great stuff to be left off
because it didn't fall into that period.
1334
00:32:00,057 --> 00:32:05,290
The lines between when Exile begins
1335
00:32:05,329 --> 00:32:12,497
and where Let It Bleed
and Sticky Fingers end, it's a little grey.
1336
00:32:12,536 --> 00:32:14,299
So some of the reels
1337
00:32:14,338 --> 00:32:18,604
that might have had something
relevant to Exile also had other stuff.
1338
00:32:18,642 --> 00:32:22,408
The first thing I put on, it said
Honky Tonk Women and I was, "What"?
1339
00:32:22,446 --> 00:32:24,539
So, I put that reel on first and...
1340
00:32:25,716 --> 00:32:31,211
It was the nine takes leading up
to the final take of Honky Tonk Women.
1341
00:32:31,255 --> 00:32:34,588
And they should just put that out.
You can chart the thing...
1342
00:32:34,625 --> 00:32:38,152
It starts with Country Honk
and they took that as far as they could
1343
00:32:38,195 --> 00:32:40,356
and that wasn't
where it was supposed to go,
1344
00:32:40,397 --> 00:32:42,228
and I think nex day they start over
1345
00:32:42,266 --> 00:32:44,996
and lan Stewart's playing
honky=tonk piano.
1346
00:32:45,035 --> 00:32:50,769
And Keith's playing in the holes of this thing
that's filling up all the air.
1347
00:32:50,808 --> 00:32:54,505
And somewhere around take nine,
they pull the piano out
1348
00:32:54,545 --> 00:32:58,413
and you got this angular rhythmic thing
that he's doing,
1349
00:32:58,449 --> 00:33:00,883
which makes total sense
if you hear the piano,
1350
00:33:00,918 --> 00:33:04,581
but when you first heard that,
it was like, "Wow!"
1351
00:33:04,622 --> 00:33:05,884
How does anyone...
1352
00:33:05,923 --> 00:33:09,882
I've never heard anything like that,
like the beginning of Honky Tonk Women.
1353
00:33:09,927 --> 00:33:14,694
From that tuning
just to the angular rhythm of it.
1354
00:33:16,433 --> 00:33:19,834
So, it's a very interesting trip.
But there was all kinds of stuff.
1355
00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:23,499
Although I do believe
that the take of Loving Cup
1356
00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:26,634
that's on the bonus tracks is...
1357
00:33:26,677 --> 00:33:30,113
That's my favourite thing,
to be honest with you. It's...
1358
00:33:31,815 --> 00:33:33,806
It represents...
1359
00:33:33,851 --> 00:33:39,687
When we talk about having
loose rock and roll without it being sloppy,
1360
00:33:39,723 --> 00:33:44,023
how far from the centre of gravity
can each individual pull the thing
1361
00:33:44,061 --> 00:33:47,053
and still keep the centrifugal force going...
1362
00:33:47,097 --> 00:33:51,124
This version of Loving Cup
absolutely takes it to the limits
1363
00:33:51,168 --> 00:33:53,033
and it's fantastic, man.
1364
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:56,801
It's just... And Mick's vocal on it.
1365
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,604
It's just such an attitude, you know?
1366
00:33:59,643 --> 00:34:03,044
Like it just requires a guy of that age
1367
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:08,882
who does whatever he wants to do
to sing with that attitude.
1368
00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:13,549
And it's so...
I think that really captures the spirit of this.
1369
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:16,457
I love that track.
And it's different.
1370
00:34:16,493 --> 00:34:19,360
It's guitarcentric
as opposed to being pianocentric.
1371
00:34:19,396 --> 00:34:22,229
It's not a gospel song,
which it is on this.
1372
00:34:22,266 --> 00:34:26,965
But outside of the choice of takes on that,
they did the right thing here.
1373
00:34:28,339 --> 00:34:30,603
I think it's just fun.
Fun to listen to.
1374
00:34:31,976 --> 00:34:34,308
You've heard all the Beatles stuff
1375
00:34:34,345 --> 00:34:37,542
and you've heard
a whole lot of the Dylan stuff.
1376
00:34:39,116 --> 00:34:40,879
And, you know,
1377
00:34:40,918 --> 00:34:44,945
I don't think there are too many people
that mean that much to you,
1378
00:34:44,989 --> 00:34:48,891
where the sound has emotional triggers
that transcend the notes.
1379
00:34:48,926 --> 00:34:50,587
That's the thing about the Stones.
1380
00:34:50,627 --> 00:34:53,687
When you hear that five=string tuning
when Keith plays that,
1381
00:34:53,731 --> 00:34:55,665
or when you hear Mick's voice,
1382
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,600
or even when you hear Charlie
lifting up off the high hat
1383
00:34:58,635 --> 00:35:03,595
on the two and the four like nobody else
does... When you hear those things,
1384
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,973
whether the Rolling Stones like it or not,
1385
00:35:07,011 --> 00:35:14,645
it's got all sorts of emotional triggers
for people that transcend the records.
1386
00:35:14,685 --> 00:35:17,153
So that's an essential component of this.
1387
00:35:18,655 --> 00:35:20,384
It took years and, ultimately,
1388
00:35:20,424 --> 00:35:23,086
it took playing music
with the Rolling Stones,
1389
00:35:23,127 --> 00:35:24,754
actually playing bass with them
1390
00:35:24,795 --> 00:35:28,253
just during sessions and between songs
and everything like that,
1391
00:35:28,298 --> 00:35:30,892
to understand what goes on in that band.
1392
00:35:30,934 --> 00:35:35,337
The Rolling Stones
really listen to each other.
1393
00:35:35,372 --> 00:35:39,308
They're quick to react,
as they are in conversation.
1394
00:35:39,343 --> 00:35:42,801
It's a highly conversational band.
1395
00:35:42,846 --> 00:35:46,805
The exchange, musically,
between the players is...
1396
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,784
...it's jocular
1397
00:35:51,822 --> 00:35:55,690
and it's loose and it's quick.
1398
00:35:55,726 --> 00:36:01,255
And just as their conversational repartee
is like that, so is their playing.
1399
00:36:01,298 --> 00:36:05,735
And whatever goes on interpersonally
between any of them,
1400
00:36:05,769 --> 00:36:09,261
I believe it evaporates
when they start playing.
1401
00:36:09,306 --> 00:36:12,605
And they're loose.
It reminds me so much of Miles Davis.
1402
00:36:12,643 --> 00:36:14,440
Miles Davis was the jazz example.
1403
00:36:14,478 --> 00:36:18,039
That band that he had around
that same time, that had Herbie Hancock
1404
00:36:18,082 --> 00:36:21,279
and Wayne Shorter
and Ron Carter and Tony Williams,
1405
00:36:21,318 --> 00:36:27,655
was loose, was floating on this incredible
drum thing that's happening,
1406
00:36:29,426 --> 00:36:33,192
and confident and a little cocky.
1407
00:36:37,234 --> 00:36:39,964
It's the way you should play rock and roll.
1408
00:36:40,003 --> 00:36:43,871
Without self=consciousness,
without being stiff, without showing off.
1409
00:36:43,907 --> 00:36:48,003
It's not a show=off record.
It's not filled with "look how fast I can play".
1410
00:36:48,045 --> 00:36:51,139
It's a really soulful record.
1411
00:36:51,181 --> 00:36:54,673
You can't overstate
the importance of Mick Taylor.
1412
00:36:54,718 --> 00:36:59,280
That's something else I learned
from listening to this stuff.
1413
00:36:59,323 --> 00:37:04,283
He's a great foil for Keith's playing.
1414
00:37:04,328 --> 00:37:07,161
It's different
from what he's got going with Ronnie,
1415
00:37:07,197 --> 00:37:11,293
where they talk
about the weaving of the guitarists.
1416
00:37:11,335 --> 00:37:13,895
This is two very separate approaches
1417
00:37:13,937 --> 00:37:17,338
that bounce off each other
in a really unique way.
1418
00:37:17,374 --> 00:37:23,176
It's a real strong characteristic
of the Stones' recordings from that period.
1419
00:37:23,213 --> 00:37:27,047
Something else that I really got hip to
1420
00:37:27,084 --> 00:37:31,145
was just how great a bass player
Bill Wyman is.
1421
00:37:31,188 --> 00:37:34,487
He's a crazy, genius bass player.
1422
00:37:34,525 --> 00:37:38,052
I'm a bass player,
I can learn his parts note for note,
1423
00:37:38,095 --> 00:37:40,325
but I could never come up with them.
1424
00:37:41,932 --> 00:37:44,025
He sort of thinks like a guitar player
1425
00:37:44,067 --> 00:37:47,230
and he's playing in holes
where a guitar player might play
1426
00:37:47,271 --> 00:37:49,933
with a very melodic kind of thing
1427
00:37:49,973 --> 00:37:54,376
and the tone of the bass
doesn't have a big low register,
1428
00:37:54,411 --> 00:37:56,242
it's almost nasally sounding,
1429
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,239
it's almost like
it's the seventh string of the guitar.
1430
00:38:00,284 --> 00:38:03,481
But then, he'll throw in
some James Jameson kind of thing,
1431
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,614
some totally funky fill that's just like...
1432
00:38:07,624 --> 00:38:09,615
It's quite sophisticated.
1433
00:38:11,361 --> 00:38:13,761
He's an enigmatic musician...
1434
00:38:15,299 --> 00:38:18,291
but such an important component
in this stuff.
1435
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:22,830
If there's one thing, one big overall thing,
1436
00:38:22,873 --> 00:38:26,969
that I learned about Exile
from listening to all this stuff...
1437
00:38:29,346 --> 00:38:35,342
it's that maybe everything
that you heard about actually happened,
1438
00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:37,410
but when they were recording...
1439
00:38:38,555 --> 00:38:40,182
they were on their game.
1440
00:38:40,224 --> 00:38:43,091
You couldn't possibly write all these songs
1441
00:38:43,126 --> 00:38:46,994
and record all these songs
and play them as well as they did,
1442
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:49,396
and not be at the top of your game.
1443
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:55,932
So, the mythology's got to include
some superhuman strength
1444
00:38:55,973 --> 00:38:58,908
and has got to acknowledge
1445
00:38:58,942 --> 00:39:02,571
that they're really professional,
they're really a great band.
1446
00:39:02,613 --> 00:39:05,411
There's nothing shitty
about Exile On Main St.
1447
00:39:05,449 --> 00:39:07,610
When you really get into it,
1448
00:39:07,651 --> 00:39:11,485
there's a looseness but that
should not be mistaken for sloppiness.
1449
00:39:11,521 --> 00:39:15,924
There's nothing sloppy about Exile.
And there's a lot of really good stuff.
1450
00:39:15,959 --> 00:39:19,918
Plus, in the things
that weren't included on the album,
1451
00:39:19,963 --> 00:39:23,455
you can see the link,
you can see the link to...
1452
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:27,231
Like Aladdin Story, for example,
which is called something else now...
1453
00:39:27,271 --> 00:39:33,176
That's the link to Between The Buttons
and Exile. But there is one.
1454
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:35,235
So, a lot of these things...
1455
00:39:36,179 --> 00:39:38,443
In fact, if you just listen to these 18 songs,
1456
00:39:38,482 --> 00:39:40,848
it's like "Wow, where did that spring from?"
1457
00:39:40,884 --> 00:39:45,287
But there actually is
some lineage and connection.
53832
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