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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 884 00:00:08,247 --> 00:00:10,340 I remember buying it, the day I bought it. 885 00:00:10,383 --> 00:00:14,979 At home, I had two big speakers on either side of my bed. 886 00:00:15,021 --> 00:00:20,482 I was in college and got in the right frame of mind and blasted it. 887 00:00:21,794 --> 00:00:23,785 And it scared me. 888 00:00:23,829 --> 00:00:28,562 That was my first reaction, was that... There's something... 889 00:00:28,601 --> 00:00:31,434 These guys have maybe gone off the deep end, 890 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:37,102 there's something going on under this thing that's... 891 00:00:37,143 --> 00:00:40,943 I wanna go there but I don't know if I'll survive it. 892 00:00:40,980 --> 00:00:43,608 My friend Angelo, he's a massive Stones fan. 893 00:00:43,649 --> 00:00:46,049 He's like, "Have you ever heard Exile?" 894 00:00:46,085 --> 00:00:48,451 And I was like, "No". I hadn't heard it. 895 00:00:48,487 --> 00:00:51,388 And the first thing he did was show me the artwork 896 00:00:51,424 --> 00:00:54,325 and I was like, "Oh, wow! This is nasty!" You know? 897 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,353 And then he played it for me and every song was just... 898 00:00:58,397 --> 00:01:03,892 To me... I mean, they were writing songs that were anti=religion at times 899 00:01:03,936 --> 00:01:06,962 or questioning their faith, 900 00:01:07,006 --> 00:01:10,737 and every one of the songs sounded like a church song to me. 901 00:01:10,776 --> 00:01:14,473 I mean every song had the boogie... 902 00:01:14,513 --> 00:01:17,107 That kind of stuff or just really bluesy slow. 903 00:01:17,149 --> 00:01:21,313 Just kind of interpretation, you know. Beautiful. 904 00:01:21,354 --> 00:01:25,723 And when I heard this, it changed everything I thought about the Rolling Stones. 905 00:01:25,758 --> 00:01:28,386 I would go to, like, old record stores 906 00:01:28,427 --> 00:01:31,828 and shop and just pile up my catalogue. 907 00:01:31,864 --> 00:01:37,097 And this was one of them, you know? From the artwork to the music. 908 00:01:37,136 --> 00:01:40,435 And it was a Rolling Stones record that wasn't... 909 00:01:40,473 --> 00:01:44,204 you know, the big popular album. 910 00:01:44,243 --> 00:01:46,905 So, if I had this in my collection, 911 00:01:46,946 --> 00:01:53,044 it symbolised that, you know, I was ultra... I was mega=cool, right? 912 00:01:53,085 --> 00:01:57,317 And, you know, when you're 18, 19 years old, 913 00:01:57,356 --> 00:02:00,189 and you have your little backpack of records... 914 00:02:00,226 --> 00:02:02,990 Now, kids are walking around with, you know... 915 00:02:03,029 --> 00:02:06,487 It's weightless, you know? You're just flipping through things. 916 00:02:06,532 --> 00:02:13,131 But if you had a backpack with just all the cool mega=stuff, you didn't care... 917 00:02:13,172 --> 00:02:18,075 Now, these kids are walking around with a whole record store. Full of content. 918 00:02:18,110 --> 00:02:21,273 But if you had the mega=ness in your backpack... 919 00:02:21,313 --> 00:02:24,805 "What? You got that Rolling Stones record?" "Yeah, yeah." 920 00:02:24,850 --> 00:02:27,341 And this record in particular, was the first one 921 00:02:27,386 --> 00:02:32,949 that I felt like they finally had 100% confidence to just say, "Fuck you". 922 00:02:32,992 --> 00:02:37,224 And they had the songs, they had the hits, so... 923 00:02:37,263 --> 00:02:40,096 I mean, the record label couldn't say anything to them. 924 00:02:40,132 --> 00:02:42,726 They had the songs but if you listen, 925 00:02:42,768 --> 00:02:47,171 intertwined in every song there is a big "fuck you" in some way. 926 00:02:47,206 --> 00:02:54,772 I must have been 24, 23, and I was... 927 00:02:54,814 --> 00:02:59,751 I had no television, you know, I had no phone. I was living in this apartment 928 00:02:59,785 --> 00:03:04,654 and all I did was listen to Exile On Main St. over and over again, obsessively. 929 00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:07,853 And it was so satisfying. It was such a... 930 00:03:07,893 --> 00:03:13,195 As a work, it's still my absolute favourite album of all time, ever. 931 00:03:13,232 --> 00:03:18,693 It's my, you know, desert island, deathbed album. 932 00:03:18,737 --> 00:03:25,472 Because it's just so satisfying in every... Musically, emotionally, lyrically. 933 00:03:25,511 --> 00:03:29,709 The stories that are told, the grandeur, the ruination. 934 00:03:29,748 --> 00:03:32,012 You know? It's all there. 935 00:03:32,051 --> 00:03:36,010 For me, Exile On Main St. is the rock and roll bible. 936 00:03:36,055 --> 00:03:39,889 I think it's a perfect marriage of... 937 00:03:39,925 --> 00:03:45,795 electric blues with a tinge of country and soul music. 938 00:03:46,899 --> 00:03:50,596 I think it's the height of the Rolling Stones for me, 939 00:03:50,636 --> 00:03:54,128 because I love Mick Taylor. 940 00:03:54,173 --> 00:03:59,406 You can just feel kind of what was going on in their lives and in that atmosphere, 941 00:03:59,445 --> 00:04:01,436 while they were making that record. 942 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:08,113 There is an undercurrent to this thing that I can't put my finger on, 943 00:04:08,154 --> 00:04:11,988 even as someone who makes records. I have no idea where this comes from. 944 00:04:12,024 --> 00:04:15,858 And that's that foreboding, evil undercurrent. 945 00:04:18,164 --> 00:04:20,098 I don't know that they intended that, 946 00:04:20,132 --> 00:04:24,034 I don't even know that that's what was going on with them, 947 00:04:24,069 --> 00:04:27,129 but there's something. From the photos on the cover, right? 948 00:04:27,173 --> 00:04:32,770 You know, the minute you have a tactile connection to that record, 949 00:04:32,811 --> 00:04:37,180 there is a dark message to it. 950 00:04:37,216 --> 00:04:41,016 Yeah... It's a mystery. I don't know what that's about. 951 00:04:50,563 --> 00:04:55,830 You know, hit the cover and you'll get to hear like, you know... 952 00:04:55,868 --> 00:04:58,564 = Like a sample of it. = A sample of the songs. 953 00:04:58,604 --> 00:05:02,165 You were going off of the art, you know? 954 00:05:02,208 --> 00:05:05,336 When the art of a record, you know, 955 00:05:05,377 --> 00:05:08,574 gave you a vision of what it might sound like. 956 00:05:10,049 --> 00:05:14,748 Nobody knows what that means but it offends everyone for some reason. 957 00:05:14,787 --> 00:05:18,780 Everything, like, has this vulgar and sleazy... 958 00:05:18,824 --> 00:05:22,282 in like a great way, made every... 959 00:05:22,328 --> 00:05:26,458 In my opinion, made me a guy who was, you know, 960 00:05:26,498 --> 00:05:29,990 for a part of my life I was scared of rock and roll 961 00:05:30,035 --> 00:05:34,836 cos I thought it was the opposite of what was real and what was right. 962 00:05:34,873 --> 00:05:38,331 And when I heard this record, it made you feel good about it. 963 00:05:39,645 --> 00:05:43,046 I miss the hair. They had great hair back then. 964 00:05:43,082 --> 00:05:46,745 If you had that hairdo and you were from England, it was a good hairdo. 965 00:05:46,785 --> 00:05:51,813 If you were from America, it was a mullet. Never understood that. 966 00:05:52,891 --> 00:05:56,554 It's all about the freaks. It's all freaks and that's how they felt. 967 00:05:56,595 --> 00:06:00,691 They were the freaks. They were these huge rock stars but they were freaks. 968 00:06:00,733 --> 00:06:05,102 And that's how they felt and that's how they walked through, like a freak show. 969 00:06:05,137 --> 00:06:09,699 I mean, I know a little bit about fame and you do feel like a freak. 970 00:06:09,742 --> 00:06:14,145 To me, that's that point of view, as you said, the narrative in the entire album. 971 00:06:14,179 --> 00:06:17,637 It's like being... It's like looking through the eyes of a freak 972 00:06:17,683 --> 00:06:21,278 as they're looked at by everyone else. 973 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,811 I just... God! The stories just crush me! 974 00:06:23,856 --> 00:06:27,724 My impressions of what's going on in the stories of that record 975 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,823 are all about being both sort of king of the hill 976 00:06:32,865 --> 00:06:36,096 and completely alienated from mainstream. 977 00:06:36,135 --> 00:06:38,433 That's what Exile On Main St. Means to me. 978 00:06:38,470 --> 00:06:42,566 That they are sort of rock stars so they're grand, 979 00:06:42,608 --> 00:06:45,941 they're above everything, so they're in it but they're not of it. 980 00:06:45,978 --> 00:06:47,536 And so they're walking around, 981 00:06:47,579 --> 00:06:54,075 Iooking at everything through the lens of alienation and, you know... 982 00:06:54,119 --> 00:06:58,886 There's a lot of Ioneliness and there's a lot of heartbreak. 983 00:06:58,924 --> 00:07:00,323 There's a lot of soul in the record. 984 00:07:08,734 --> 00:07:13,068 It's a great thing... It's an inspiring thing to see 985 00:07:13,105 --> 00:07:17,337 how hated it was when it came out and how revered it is now. 986 00:07:17,376 --> 00:07:21,870 That's inspiring to know, you know, when you're releasing records yourself. 987 00:07:21,914 --> 00:07:26,874 But... Yeah, it's just not accessible. It's not poppy and accessible at all. 988 00:07:26,919 --> 00:07:29,319 Like, it didn't have any poppy hits on it 989 00:07:29,355 --> 00:07:34,019 and I think that was confusing to people at the time, coming from the Stones. 990 00:07:34,059 --> 00:07:38,359 But it was them at their best. I mean, the Stones, when they're at their best, 991 00:07:38,397 --> 00:07:42,891 are an incredible blues band and this is them doing that. 992 00:07:42,935 --> 00:07:47,497 So... it's a perfect portrait of them. 993 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:51,439 When I heard this, it was 1994. 994 00:07:51,477 --> 00:07:56,073 And I already knew, you know, the logo of the Rolling Stones. 995 00:07:56,115 --> 00:08:00,779 It was imprinted in my brain. When I thought of the Rolling Stones, I thought of the logo. 996 00:08:00,819 --> 00:08:04,311 I thought of Mick, you know. 997 00:08:04,356 --> 00:08:07,757 You know, I thought... The band, you know? 998 00:08:09,928 --> 00:08:13,295 And this was, you know... 999 00:08:13,332 --> 00:08:17,701 If it wasn't for this record, I would have thought the Stones just did this. 1000 00:08:17,736 --> 00:08:22,673 But this is like peaks and valleys of creativity and expression, you know. 1001 00:08:23,976 --> 00:08:27,207 There's education. Cos it is '93 now, right? 1002 00:08:27,246 --> 00:08:33,412 This is an old record. As well as all their other ones, you know? 1003 00:08:33,452 --> 00:08:36,148 But what it showed me was... 1004 00:08:36,188 --> 00:08:42,718 to be an artist isn't just about, you know, popular songs, 1005 00:08:42,761 --> 00:08:46,458 it's about a body of work, you know? 1006 00:08:46,498 --> 00:08:50,457 Eclectic, odd, avant=garde, 1007 00:08:50,502 --> 00:08:54,336 straightforward, you know, 1008 00:08:54,373 --> 00:08:58,332 on topic, off topic. That's what groups are supposed to do. 1009 00:08:58,377 --> 00:09:00,777 Yeah, man, this whole record is just... 1010 00:09:00,813 --> 00:09:03,475 From the artwork to everything about it, 1011 00:09:03,515 --> 00:09:07,383 you could tell they were just kind of at a point where they were going for it 1012 00:09:07,419 --> 00:09:11,253 and didn't care if they were going to offend the masses. 1013 00:09:11,290 --> 00:09:14,487 It sounds like they had fun when they made the record. 1014 00:09:14,526 --> 00:09:18,485 You rarely hear a record that the people actually sound like they're having fun. 1015 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:22,364 I don't talk to anyone about this record and I don't want to talk to people about it. 1016 00:09:22,401 --> 00:09:26,337 Like, it's my record. It's my special, personal, private record. 1017 00:09:26,371 --> 00:09:29,272 With my boyfriend, he'd be like, "Let's put it on!" 1018 00:09:29,308 --> 00:09:32,106 I'm like, "No! I can't do that with you." 1019 00:09:32,144 --> 00:09:35,602 He probably wanted to have sex to it or something and I'm like, "No!" 1020 00:09:35,647 --> 00:09:38,639 You know what I mean? Like that just can't be done for me. 1021 00:09:38,684 --> 00:09:43,587 Like I wouldn't put it on while... I wouldn't be able to eat dinner with this record on. 1022 00:09:43,622 --> 00:09:48,150 It would feel sacrilegious to me. It would feel wrong. 1023 00:09:48,193 --> 00:09:53,597 That's a record that I can come to when I'm feeling like king of the world, 1024 00:09:53,632 --> 00:09:57,728 or when I've just had my heart broken, or when someone just died, 1025 00:09:57,769 --> 00:10:04,140 or when I need to, you know, find my musical bearings again. 1026 00:10:04,176 --> 00:10:07,441 It's a journey of sound. 1027 00:10:07,479 --> 00:10:12,382 Nowadays, we can go on and just click, you know, like a smorgasbord. 1028 00:10:12,417 --> 00:10:14,078 "I just want corn today." 1029 00:10:14,119 --> 00:10:18,783 And the chefs like, "Really, try this fish. It goes great with the corn." 1030 00:10:18,824 --> 00:10:21,122 "No, no, no, I'm just gonna get the corn." 1031 00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:25,892 "But I prepared this wonderful fish that just... Taste=wise... 1032 00:10:25,931 --> 00:10:30,630 "The spice and the fish goes great with the sweet corn." 1033 00:10:30,669 --> 00:10:35,163 "No, no, keep your motherfucking fish, I just want the goddamn corn." Right? 1034 00:10:35,207 --> 00:10:37,698 And they have the opportunity to do that 1035 00:10:37,743 --> 00:10:42,942 and they're missing out on a great meal, a great body of work, you know? 1036 00:10:42,981 --> 00:10:44,608 And this is one of them, 1037 00:10:44,650 --> 00:10:50,020 where you put it on through the whole way and have it colour your time. 1038 00:10:50,055 --> 00:10:55,186 I love that record because it's something that could really confuse a journalist, 1039 00:10:55,227 --> 00:10:57,422 sort of make him rethink his whole career, 1040 00:10:57,462 --> 00:11:01,922 because he can't box the Stones in any more. 1041 00:11:01,967 --> 00:11:05,869 I mean, there's 15 directions going on at once. 1042 00:11:08,507 --> 00:11:12,500 I just love when they're befuddled like that. 1043 00:11:22,621 --> 00:11:24,418 They'd moved past the blues 1044 00:11:24,456 --> 00:11:28,324 and gone into other areas of southern American music, gospel and country. 1045 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:34,663 I think they listened to the best of what American music had to offer. 1046 00:11:35,767 --> 00:11:38,292 They managed to combine, as I said, 1047 00:11:38,337 --> 00:11:44,867 this sort of R&B and this electric blues with country music 1048 00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:47,936 and with real deep southern soul music. 1049 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:56,319 And even Mick's ability to portray an old black bluesman 1050 00:11:56,355 --> 00:12:01,816 in the way he delivered his singing was kind of amazing, you know, 1051 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:05,159 for a scrawny little English guy. 1052 00:12:06,298 --> 00:12:10,132 I listen to it and I think it's the best of where I came from, you know, 1053 00:12:10,168 --> 00:12:13,103 right along Route 66 and growing up on the Mississippi. 1054 00:12:13,138 --> 00:12:21,341 They managed to really draw from that and bring it into their English soul music. 1055 00:12:21,380 --> 00:12:25,680 I was born in Memphis and so I used to go down to Beale Street. 1056 00:12:25,717 --> 00:12:28,948 You'd hear guys on the corner just playing and you'd think, 1057 00:12:28,987 --> 00:12:32,855 "Man, those guys are better than anyone you could ever hear on the radio." 1058 00:12:32,891 --> 00:12:34,984 But you'll never hear them on the radio. 1059 00:12:35,027 --> 00:12:39,225 And then you have a band like this that just, you know, 1060 00:12:39,264 --> 00:12:45,225 they worked really really hard and then just started to get where they could play. 1061 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:47,067 They had the world at their fingertips 1062 00:12:47,105 --> 00:12:49,903 and they could just play whatever kind of music they wanted. 1063 00:12:49,941 --> 00:12:53,274 In a lot of ways, with their music, they were trying to represent 1064 00:12:53,311 --> 00:12:55,836 the people that were never going to make it on the radio. 1065 00:12:55,881 --> 00:13:00,944 America just, you know, didn't care about its true musicians, 1066 00:13:00,986 --> 00:13:03,978 its true home=grown musicians. They never cared. 1067 00:13:04,022 --> 00:13:08,925 They had some white guy redo it, which I guess this is the same thing, 1068 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,053 and then it was OK and it was fabulous. 1069 00:13:11,096 --> 00:13:17,001 But those, you know, early blues, the Deep South, those musicians, 1070 00:13:17,035 --> 00:13:20,266 they never made the money they should have nor got the credit, 1071 00:13:20,305 --> 00:13:23,968 nor got the accolades... 1072 00:13:24,009 --> 00:13:27,274 till they were 90 or dead, you know what I mean? 1073 00:13:27,312 --> 00:13:29,542 That's kind of a depressing thought, 1074 00:13:29,581 --> 00:13:34,678 that it took Englishmen to come in and kind of say, 1075 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,554 "Hey, I think you might be onto something here", you know? 1076 00:13:38,590 --> 00:13:43,618 And there's something beautiful about the way they saw America 1077 00:13:43,662 --> 00:13:47,564 and what parts of America they cherished, which was the... you know, 1078 00:13:47,599 --> 00:13:53,037 Deep South, African=American, I like to call black, but, you know, 1079 00:13:53,071 --> 00:13:58,703 music that just was truly American. 1080 00:13:58,744 --> 00:14:05,274 You can see the impact of blues through other genres and through other cultures, 1081 00:14:05,317 --> 00:14:10,118 and then siphoned through and filtered through the Stones' sort of camera. 1082 00:14:10,155 --> 00:14:15,149 It's interesting to learn about yourself through somebody else's viewpoint 1083 00:14:15,193 --> 00:14:17,320 and I think America was probably doing that 1084 00:14:17,362 --> 00:14:23,995 but it just took a long time to allow that to take root, you know, with this record. 1085 00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:35,004 When people say devil music, that's devil music right there. 1086 00:14:37,048 --> 00:14:39,414 Damn fucking devil! 1087 00:14:39,451 --> 00:14:41,476 Sounds so good. 1088 00:14:42,821 --> 00:14:47,258 I Just Want See His Face is like... The first time I heard it, I was scared to death. 1089 00:14:47,292 --> 00:14:50,261 I was like, "Oh, no. I'm gonna get struck dead", you know? 1090 00:14:50,295 --> 00:14:53,355 "I don't want to talk about Jesus, I just wanna see his face." 1091 00:14:53,398 --> 00:14:57,357 Then they all talk about dropping to those knees and thanking God and it's like... 1092 00:14:57,402 --> 00:14:59,529 They pretty much covered everything. 1093 00:15:00,071 --> 00:15:04,872 And you know those black girls singing, "I just wanna see his face"? 1094 00:15:04,910 --> 00:15:08,812 They do not agree with that. They believe in Jesus, very much so. 1095 00:15:12,884 --> 00:15:17,719 There was a couple of things that took me by surprise 1096 00:15:17,756 --> 00:15:20,281 and I thought were maybe done wrong 1097 00:15:20,325 --> 00:15:24,921 but then they came back and they sounded incredible to me. 1098 00:15:24,963 --> 00:15:28,455 One was at the beginning of the track Ventilator Blues, 1099 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:34,166 after the first guitar licks happen, there should be a kick drum. 1100 00:15:34,206 --> 00:15:37,004 It should be..."When your... 1101 00:15:37,042 --> 00:15:38,737 "Spine is cracking..." 1102 00:15:38,777 --> 00:15:42,838 There should be a kick drum right there and there's not. 1103 00:15:42,881 --> 00:15:45,907 And that pissed me off when I first heard it 1104 00:15:45,951 --> 00:15:49,114 and the drum start on the up, on the snare... 1105 00:15:49,154 --> 00:15:52,055 But now I love that, that's my favourite part about that. 1106 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:55,924 You know, I always cock my head when that part comes in. 1107 00:15:55,961 --> 00:16:00,364 I think I'm gonna do Loving Cup. I think that's one I like a whole lot. 1108 00:16:01,533 --> 00:16:04,661 That always made me wanna be... Like I wanna, you know... 1109 00:16:04,703 --> 00:16:08,195 I remember, I would feel that... Are you really gonna play it? 1110 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,731 = Yeah! = Hilarious! This is awesome. 1111 00:16:27,058 --> 00:16:30,255 Doesn't it just remind you of late nights and like... 1112 00:16:30,295 --> 00:16:34,129 You guys must have gone through the bar phase of your life, 1113 00:16:34,165 --> 00:16:38,727 where you have no pride, you know? I just love that. 1114 00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:41,500 Been through? I could still be there, I don't know... 1115 00:16:58,089 --> 00:16:59,249 Listen to his vocals. 1116 00:17:04,129 --> 00:17:08,429 There's so much abandon in the vocal performances and in the guitar. 1117 00:17:08,466 --> 00:17:13,028 There's so much abandon. They're so unself=conscious, they're just letting it out. 1118 00:17:13,071 --> 00:17:17,132 It just feels like something folding out, like an elephant's trunk... 1119 00:17:17,742 --> 00:17:21,405 It wasn't, you know, just a joke that it might change the world. 1120 00:17:21,446 --> 00:17:26,975 It might actually sweep a youth culture into a new state of mind, 1121 00:17:27,018 --> 00:17:29,384 like you actually had the potential to do that. 1122 00:17:29,421 --> 00:17:32,652 Don't you miss bands that actually disturb the social fabric? 1123 00:17:32,691 --> 00:17:35,751 Don't you miss that there was a social fabric to disturb? 1124 00:17:35,794 --> 00:17:40,822 What disturbs our fabric any more? Nothing. Nobody does anything like that any more. 1125 00:17:40,865 --> 00:17:42,856 There aren't any rock stars any more. 1126 00:17:42,901 --> 00:17:45,369 I love Rip This Joint just cos it's so raucous 1127 00:17:45,403 --> 00:17:52,241 but I would say that Sweet Virginia is probably the jam song of all time. 1128 00:17:52,277 --> 00:17:56,008 Like, if you don't know Sweet Virginia, then you need to go home. 1129 00:17:56,047 --> 00:17:59,710 And it is probably the one song that whenever you're sitting with a band, 1130 00:17:59,751 --> 00:18:04,450 you can all play that song because it is part of our genetic history, 1131 00:18:04,489 --> 00:18:06,389 as far as music is concerned. 1132 00:18:15,533 --> 00:18:17,558 Right. Now, is everyone settled? 1133 00:18:17,602 --> 00:18:22,505 I don't want anyone moving around. I am a very nervous person. 1134 00:18:22,540 --> 00:18:25,668 What happened with Exile On Main St. was totally different. 1135 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:28,907 And I think that the... 1136 00:18:28,947 --> 00:18:33,680 There's no doubt that they had this mantle of... 1137 00:18:33,718 --> 00:18:38,485 representing the entire culture of rock and roll. 1138 00:18:38,523 --> 00:18:41,583 And they had to change, I think. 1139 00:18:41,626 --> 00:18:44,026 Or they felt they had to or wanted to change 1140 00:18:44,062 --> 00:18:46,587 or felt they were searching for some other way to become... 1141 00:18:46,631 --> 00:18:51,034 How were they going to develop? Where was their music gonna go? 1142 00:18:51,069 --> 00:18:53,765 How was it gonna develop into anything new? 1143 00:18:53,805 --> 00:18:58,435 And it was retaliation against everything that had come before, I think. 1144 00:18:58,476 --> 00:19:02,207 Not that they were repudiating any of their work, 1145 00:19:02,247 --> 00:19:07,207 but they had to think differently and it seemed like a terrible struggle. 1146 00:19:07,252 --> 00:19:11,518 I was aware of the mythology 1147 00:19:11,556 --> 00:19:14,787 surrounding the making of Exile On Main St. 1148 00:19:14,826 --> 00:19:17,556 really from the time it came out. 1149 00:19:17,595 --> 00:19:23,932 And over the years, especially once I started recording with them, 1150 00:19:23,968 --> 00:19:28,200 you know, I asked a lot of questions, I got a little clearer picture about it but... 1151 00:19:29,607 --> 00:19:33,737 The mythology had a huge impact on me in 1972. 1152 00:19:36,714 --> 00:19:41,413 Just the little bit of information that came out was kind of life=changing. 1153 00:19:41,453 --> 00:19:43,512 The drugs had changed... 1154 00:19:44,522 --> 00:19:47,047 That's a major factor in this, OK? 1155 00:19:48,693 --> 00:19:53,289 It went from this happy giggle stuff to something else. 1156 00:19:53,331 --> 00:20:00,203 And the politics had changed, man. Nixon was levelling Cambodia and Laos... 1157 00:20:00,238 --> 00:20:02,934 It was a weird time. 1158 00:20:02,974 --> 00:20:10,380 In '72, I'd just written a paper about Joseph Conrad for class at school. 1159 00:20:10,415 --> 00:20:13,248 And then these guys put this album out. 1160 00:20:13,284 --> 00:20:16,515 And I'd always looked to them as leaders, you know? 1161 00:20:17,622 --> 00:20:19,590 And the message I got was... 1162 00:20:20,525 --> 00:20:24,518 "Follow us, we're going the wrong way, against the current, up the river 1163 00:20:24,562 --> 00:20:28,123 "and we're gonna be hanging out with Captain Kurtz." 1164 00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:31,602 And that was... And the pictures that filtered through 1165 00:20:31,636 --> 00:20:36,096 of them recording the album bore that out there, like... 1166 00:20:36,141 --> 00:20:38,939 I'd have to go back and see them but my image of it is... 1167 00:20:38,977 --> 00:20:42,242 It looked like the prisoners of the POWs in Hanoi, you know? 1168 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,511 These real stark black and white things. 1169 00:20:45,550 --> 00:20:50,544 And they'd gone off to some distant place, maybe it's like Lord Of The Flies, you know? 1170 00:20:50,588 --> 00:20:54,718 Just this... They were not gonna abide by the laws and they were saying, 1171 00:20:54,759 --> 00:21:00,629 "Get out while you still can. The ship's going down." 1172 00:21:04,102 --> 00:21:06,764 It was apocalyptic. 1173 00:21:06,804 --> 00:21:09,466 It's dark and foreboding 1174 00:21:09,507 --> 00:21:14,444 but at the same time, it was quite alluring, man. 1175 00:21:14,479 --> 00:21:18,381 They were having fun. And it was totally cool. 1176 00:21:19,284 --> 00:21:21,844 It was a scary record. 1177 00:21:21,886 --> 00:21:26,220 It was an exraordinary decade, there's no doubting it, and it had to end. 1178 00:21:26,257 --> 00:21:31,217 It had to come to an end. Why should we put it on the Rolling Stones that it ended? 1179 00:21:31,262 --> 00:21:33,025 It was coming to an end anyway. 1180 00:21:33,064 --> 00:21:36,431 I don't mean just because it was changing from 1969 to 1970. 1181 00:21:36,467 --> 00:21:41,336 The 60's really ended, I think, in about '73 or '7 4, really. 1182 00:21:41,372 --> 00:21:44,705 And so they had to strike out for something new. 1183 00:21:44,742 --> 00:21:49,577 And also I guess to search for other ways of telling a story with music, 1184 00:21:49,614 --> 00:21:53,607 which means all the different influences that they had over the years, right? 1185 00:21:53,651 --> 00:21:58,748 I mean, blues, rock, gospel, everything together. 1186 00:21:59,290 --> 00:22:01,986 It's a touchstone for a lot of musicians, I think. 1187 00:22:02,026 --> 00:22:09,091 Because there's a unity between how you play and how you live your life 1188 00:22:09,133 --> 00:22:12,796 in that record, man, you know? And that's different from other things. 1189 00:22:12,837 --> 00:22:19,208 The looseness, the lack of self=consciousness, the confidence... 1190 00:22:21,846 --> 00:22:25,043 The confidence towards the world and also in your own playing. 1191 00:22:25,083 --> 00:22:26,243 "I'm not gonna get lost, 1192 00:22:26,284 --> 00:22:29,378 "don't worry about whether we're speeding up or slowing down." 1193 00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:33,481 It's about feel, it's about being in the moment. 1194 00:22:33,524 --> 00:22:35,549 It's a Zen record like that, man. 1195 00:22:35,593 --> 00:22:39,586 It's all about being in the moment and enjoying the moment. 1196 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:45,469 There's probably not a better example of that out there. 1197 00:22:45,503 --> 00:22:49,872 And so, for musicians, it's not just, "I wanna make music that sounds like that." 1198 00:22:49,907 --> 00:22:53,172 It's, "I wanna live my life like that." 1199 00:22:53,211 --> 00:22:55,611 Main St. Is downtown LA. 1200 00:22:55,647 --> 00:22:58,639 You can't get more main than that, it's real down and out. 1201 00:22:58,683 --> 00:23:02,813 I had moved to LA in the early 70's, by '72, I was living in LA. 1202 00:23:02,854 --> 00:23:05,584 By '73, I was shooting Mean Streets, 1203 00:23:06,324 --> 00:23:10,454 some of it in New York, the rest in LA, on Main St. 1204 00:23:10,495 --> 00:23:12,520 And it was the down=and=out area. 1205 00:23:12,563 --> 00:23:16,124 It was like being on skid row on the Bowery where I grew up, actually, 1206 00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:19,466 on the Lower East Side, in the old Italian area. 1207 00:23:19,504 --> 00:23:22,803 It's a sense of being the outcast, of being on the edge of society, 1208 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,799 on the fringes I should say, not the edge. People that don't count. 1209 00:23:26,844 --> 00:23:31,781 Supposedly don't count, yet they're still there. 1210 00:23:31,816 --> 00:23:37,220 Look at this. I mean, you know... The incredible photography of Robert Frank. 1211 00:23:39,891 --> 00:23:41,950 Also taking in the side show. 1212 00:23:43,461 --> 00:23:47,329 The desperation of the side show performer, you know? 1213 00:23:47,365 --> 00:23:49,663 And all these elements, I think, come to play. 1214 00:23:49,701 --> 00:23:51,999 And Main Street, you had to know it a little bit. 1215 00:23:52,036 --> 00:23:57,736 And also the fact that Main Street is a term that's used for... 1216 00:23:57,775 --> 00:23:59,572 How should I put it? 1217 00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:02,135 ...the white picket fence, small=town Americana, 1218 00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:07,413 but Main Street in Los Angeles and New York, you know, different place. 1219 00:24:07,452 --> 00:24:08,783 They were, I guess... 1220 00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:11,948 Maybe they fostered the image of 1221 00:24:11,989 --> 00:24:15,015 the outcast to a certain exent, and the rebel, obviously. 1222 00:24:15,059 --> 00:24:18,961 They all did in rock and roll, all rebels, but these guys were something else. 1223 00:24:18,996 --> 00:24:25,367 This was some other existence that led the way. 1224 00:24:35,713 --> 00:24:38,580 I think this album was kind of a turning point, 1225 00:24:38,616 --> 00:24:44,145 kind of a letting go of everything before this record. 1226 00:24:44,188 --> 00:24:47,282 And this and Let It Bleed, for me, and Sticky Fingers... 1227 00:24:47,325 --> 00:24:50,419 It certainly set me on a course as an artist. 1228 00:24:50,461 --> 00:24:56,058 I would say that they probably are the most influential rock artists in my life. 1229 00:24:56,100 --> 00:25:00,867 And the record really represents a freedom 1230 00:25:00,905 --> 00:25:04,739 and a stepping away from the conventional and from the norm. 1231 00:25:06,577 --> 00:25:09,137 A freedom in letting go of your surroundings 1232 00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:12,081 and, as I said, that has a lot to do with... 1233 00:25:12,116 --> 00:25:15,916 What happens in your art is leaving all the familiarity behind 1234 00:25:15,953 --> 00:25:18,615 and bringing your circus on the road with you. 1235 00:25:18,656 --> 00:25:23,992 Another thing about this record is that I have never googled the lyrics. 1236 00:25:24,028 --> 00:25:26,826 I don't really want to know the actual lyrics. 1237 00:25:26,864 --> 00:25:29,924 I am very attached to what I think the songs are about 1238 00:25:29,967 --> 00:25:33,368 and there are so many words in these songs 1239 00:25:33,404 --> 00:25:36,237 that I've caught obviously many snippets. 1240 00:25:36,274 --> 00:25:39,437 I know basically what's being said 1241 00:25:39,477 --> 00:25:42,969 but I do not want to know actually what's being said. 1242 00:25:43,014 --> 00:25:45,915 Cos it's very powerful. 1243 00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:49,511 This is a special record that way and I bet a lot of people feel that way. 1244 00:25:49,554 --> 00:25:51,749 They think they know what it's about 1245 00:25:51,789 --> 00:25:54,815 and they're gonna go to their grave believing that. 1246 00:25:54,859 --> 00:25:58,192 I mean, what does it really mean? 1247 00:25:58,229 --> 00:25:59,628 It really means... 1248 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:08,261 It really means what's at the core of all the rock stardom, that whole... 1249 00:26:08,306 --> 00:26:12,538 Let's face it, at the bottom of a lot of bravado is just basic insecurity 1250 00:26:12,577 --> 00:26:14,807 and I feel like this record... 1251 00:26:16,547 --> 00:26:19,778 is a perfect portrait of, like, the essence 1252 00:26:19,817 --> 00:26:22,285 of what made them rock stars in the first place. 1253 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,878 As a kid, growing up, 1254 00:26:23,921 --> 00:26:29,223 I imagined the Stones as being absolutely intimidating and raucous 1255 00:26:29,260 --> 00:26:33,754 and it all being about sex and drugs. And when you listen to the record, 1256 00:26:33,798 --> 00:26:37,632 although that may be the environment of the record 1257 00:26:37,668 --> 00:26:40,603 or the sonic environment of the record, 1258 00:26:40,638 --> 00:26:43,402 the musicianship on it is seminal, you know? 1259 00:26:43,441 --> 00:26:48,401 You had some of the greatest drumming in rock history with Charlie. 1260 00:26:48,446 --> 00:26:52,746 And although we think of the Rolling Stones as being... 1261 00:26:52,783 --> 00:26:55,047 the recordings being steeped in looseness 1262 00:26:55,086 --> 00:27:00,388 and sort of being a rock and roll shambles, if you will, it's really not. 1263 00:27:00,424 --> 00:27:05,020 I mean, it's some of the great, I think, pop craftsmanship 1264 00:27:05,062 --> 00:27:10,227 and some of the great rock recording, 1265 00:27:10,268 --> 00:27:14,102 just as far as the arrangements are concerned, of all time. 1266 00:27:14,138 --> 00:27:16,800 And I think that, you know, you get into music now, 1267 00:27:16,841 --> 00:27:18,900 you listen to some of what's happening 1268 00:27:18,943 --> 00:27:22,902 and in almost every great rock band, you hear the influence of the Stones. 1269 00:27:22,947 --> 00:27:25,814 Exile was the record that really made me go, 1270 00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:30,219 "All right, these guys are going to be around forever. 1271 00:27:30,254 --> 00:27:35,282 "They're gonna be 95, on the stage, wearing Nikes..." 1272 00:27:35,326 --> 00:27:39,319 I've seen you, Mick. He wears Nikes, that's awesome. 1273 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:55,201 When I came to this... But I was a freak at that time. 1274 00:27:55,246 --> 00:27:58,238 And when I made my record off of their record... 1275 00:27:58,282 --> 00:28:01,479 By the way, I met Mick once in LA. 1276 00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:05,080 They were, I don't know, doing some record release party 1277 00:28:05,122 --> 00:28:07,613 which is nex level record release party, 1278 00:28:07,658 --> 00:28:11,890 like everyone, journalists flew in, you know what I mean? 1279 00:28:11,929 --> 00:28:13,988 And he looked at me... 1280 00:28:14,031 --> 00:28:17,330 The guy, the producer I was working with, introduced me and said, 1281 00:28:17,368 --> 00:28:19,666 "Oh, she made Exile In Guyville." 1282 00:28:19,704 --> 00:28:22,764 And he looked at me like he actually forgave me 1283 00:28:22,807 --> 00:28:26,208 for doing something so awful as to make my record. 1284 00:28:26,243 --> 00:28:29,303 And, like, had he known how much I loved this record 1285 00:28:29,347 --> 00:28:34,080 and that really it became symbolic of a male persona for me. 1286 00:28:34,118 --> 00:28:39,647 Like, I actually had a relationship with the guy who is singing all these stories. 1287 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:43,786 And that was my boyfriend and I was either saying, "Oh, please love me", 1288 00:28:43,828 --> 00:28:47,889 or "You dick!" or whatever I was saying to this guy, 1289 00:28:47,932 --> 00:28:52,335 this imaginary guy, was what this record meant to me. 1290 00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:55,771 It was all the men that I had loved and thought were flamboyant 1291 00:28:55,806 --> 00:28:59,037 and stood out from the crowd in our rock and roll scene in Chicago, 1292 00:28:59,076 --> 00:29:01,601 and didn't give me the time of day, or they did, 1293 00:29:01,646 --> 00:29:03,637 or they toyed with me or whatever it was, 1294 00:29:03,681 --> 00:29:07,947 I was deep in a personal relationship with this record. 1295 00:29:07,985 --> 00:29:13,946 And I was not critiquing it. I was yelling at my imaginary boyfriend. 1296 00:29:13,991 --> 00:29:17,358 Nobody really ever asked me about Exile On Main St. 1297 00:29:17,395 --> 00:29:21,195 when I was making or when I came out with Exile In Guyville, 1298 00:29:21,232 --> 00:29:27,967 except to say, "Is it really a song by song response? Because I don't hear it." 1299 00:29:28,005 --> 00:29:30,769 And, frankly, I think that's just sexism 1300 00:29:30,808 --> 00:29:33,436 because you'd have to be a girl to understand what I was doing. 1301 00:29:33,477 --> 00:29:35,741 Men would be like, "Well, you have no horns." 1302 00:29:35,780 --> 00:29:39,238 You know? "There's no brass." You know? They just didn't get it. 1303 00:29:46,424 --> 00:29:49,587 See, I'm not sure what prompted the decision. 1304 00:29:49,627 --> 00:29:54,587 But I just got a call from Mick, early in 2009, 1305 00:29:54,632 --> 00:29:57,100 saying, "We're thinking of reissuing Exile 1306 00:29:57,134 --> 00:30:00,297 "with a few exra previously unreleased tracks. 1307 00:30:00,337 --> 00:30:01,804 "Would you be interested?" 1308 00:30:03,074 --> 00:30:04,666 "Yeah, OK." 1309 00:30:04,709 --> 00:30:06,609 So, nex thing I know... 1310 00:30:07,578 --> 00:30:12,709 I got the equivalent of 200 boxes of tape, maybe more. 1311 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:14,809 It was all on hard drives at this point. 1312 00:30:15,352 --> 00:30:21,723 When I first started on the thing, I got a fax from Keith. A stern one. 1313 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:28,790 Saying, "Don't try to make it sound like Exile. It already is Exile." 1314 00:30:28,833 --> 00:30:32,564 And that was very wise and he was absolutely right. 1315 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,568 The task was to not get in the way of it. 1316 00:30:42,012 --> 00:30:43,707 Don't fix it up. 1317 00:30:43,748 --> 00:30:47,912 You know, it really is archival, as much as anything. 1318 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,015 Part of the consideration was... 1319 00:30:51,055 --> 00:30:54,513 Don't just put out the same stuff that's been bootlegged to death 1320 00:30:54,558 --> 00:30:56,685 if you're gonna add something new to it. 1321 00:30:56,727 --> 00:31:00,754 And let's try to find those gems, like Sophia Loren, that no one has heard. 1322 00:31:00,798 --> 00:31:05,497 Like, no one's heard, that's never been bootlegged. That was a joy. 1323 00:31:05,536 --> 00:31:11,600 Aladdin Story, which has been heard and covered by Death In Vegas. 1324 00:31:11,642 --> 00:31:15,009 I don't know if you ever... It's amazing... 1325 00:31:15,045 --> 00:31:18,811 They did a recording of it, and very faithful, too. 1326 00:31:19,884 --> 00:31:25,550 But no one's ever heard it with the vocal. So that's something that's cool. 1327 00:31:28,526 --> 00:31:32,326 It was really... to try to make something interesting for people, 1328 00:31:32,363 --> 00:31:34,627 something that would hold together. 1329 00:31:34,665 --> 00:31:37,600 We were really just looking for three or four tracks. 1330 00:31:37,635 --> 00:31:40,502 We ended up finishing 1 1, 1331 00:31:40,538 --> 00:31:43,871 and to be honest with you, there's more there. 1332 00:31:43,908 --> 00:31:51,076 And it'd already been pillaged, too, for Tattoo You and for Goats Head Soup. 1333 00:31:54,118 --> 00:32:00,023 And there's a lot of great stuff to be left off because it didn't fall into that period. 1334 00:32:00,057 --> 00:32:05,290 The lines between when Exile begins 1335 00:32:05,329 --> 00:32:12,497 and where Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers end, it's a little grey. 1336 00:32:12,536 --> 00:32:14,299 So some of the reels 1337 00:32:14,338 --> 00:32:18,604 that might have had something relevant to Exile also had other stuff. 1338 00:32:18,642 --> 00:32:22,408 The first thing I put on, it said Honky Tonk Women and I was, "What"? 1339 00:32:22,446 --> 00:32:24,539 So, I put that reel on first and... 1340 00:32:25,716 --> 00:32:31,211 It was the nine takes leading up to the final take of Honky Tonk Women. 1341 00:32:31,255 --> 00:32:34,588 And they should just put that out. You can chart the thing... 1342 00:32:34,625 --> 00:32:38,152 It starts with Country Honk and they took that as far as they could 1343 00:32:38,195 --> 00:32:40,356 and that wasn't where it was supposed to go, 1344 00:32:40,397 --> 00:32:42,228 and I think nex day they start over 1345 00:32:42,266 --> 00:32:44,996 and lan Stewart's playing honky=tonk piano. 1346 00:32:45,035 --> 00:32:50,769 And Keith's playing in the holes of this thing that's filling up all the air. 1347 00:32:50,808 --> 00:32:54,505 And somewhere around take nine, they pull the piano out 1348 00:32:54,545 --> 00:32:58,413 and you got this angular rhythmic thing that he's doing, 1349 00:32:58,449 --> 00:33:00,883 which makes total sense if you hear the piano, 1350 00:33:00,918 --> 00:33:04,581 but when you first heard that, it was like, "Wow!" 1351 00:33:04,622 --> 00:33:05,884 How does anyone... 1352 00:33:05,923 --> 00:33:09,882 I've never heard anything like that, like the beginning of Honky Tonk Women. 1353 00:33:09,927 --> 00:33:14,694 From that tuning just to the angular rhythm of it. 1354 00:33:16,433 --> 00:33:19,834 So, it's a very interesting trip. But there was all kinds of stuff. 1355 00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:23,499 Although I do believe that the take of Loving Cup 1356 00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:26,634 that's on the bonus tracks is... 1357 00:33:26,677 --> 00:33:30,113 That's my favourite thing, to be honest with you. It's... 1358 00:33:31,815 --> 00:33:33,806 It represents... 1359 00:33:33,851 --> 00:33:39,687 When we talk about having loose rock and roll without it being sloppy, 1360 00:33:39,723 --> 00:33:44,023 how far from the centre of gravity can each individual pull the thing 1361 00:33:44,061 --> 00:33:47,053 and still keep the centrifugal force going... 1362 00:33:47,097 --> 00:33:51,124 This version of Loving Cup absolutely takes it to the limits 1363 00:33:51,168 --> 00:33:53,033 and it's fantastic, man. 1364 00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:56,801 It's just... And Mick's vocal on it. 1365 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,604 It's just such an attitude, you know? 1366 00:33:59,643 --> 00:34:03,044 Like it just requires a guy of that age 1367 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:08,882 who does whatever he wants to do to sing with that attitude. 1368 00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:13,549 And it's so... I think that really captures the spirit of this. 1369 00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:16,457 I love that track. And it's different. 1370 00:34:16,493 --> 00:34:19,360 It's guitarcentric as opposed to being pianocentric. 1371 00:34:19,396 --> 00:34:22,229 It's not a gospel song, which it is on this. 1372 00:34:22,266 --> 00:34:26,965 But outside of the choice of takes on that, they did the right thing here. 1373 00:34:28,339 --> 00:34:30,603 I think it's just fun. Fun to listen to. 1374 00:34:31,976 --> 00:34:34,308 You've heard all the Beatles stuff 1375 00:34:34,345 --> 00:34:37,542 and you've heard a whole lot of the Dylan stuff. 1376 00:34:39,116 --> 00:34:40,879 And, you know, 1377 00:34:40,918 --> 00:34:44,945 I don't think there are too many people that mean that much to you, 1378 00:34:44,989 --> 00:34:48,891 where the sound has emotional triggers that transcend the notes. 1379 00:34:48,926 --> 00:34:50,587 That's the thing about the Stones. 1380 00:34:50,627 --> 00:34:53,687 When you hear that five=string tuning when Keith plays that, 1381 00:34:53,731 --> 00:34:55,665 or when you hear Mick's voice, 1382 00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,600 or even when you hear Charlie lifting up off the high hat 1383 00:34:58,635 --> 00:35:03,595 on the two and the four like nobody else does... When you hear those things, 1384 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,973 whether the Rolling Stones like it or not, 1385 00:35:07,011 --> 00:35:14,645 it's got all sorts of emotional triggers for people that transcend the records. 1386 00:35:14,685 --> 00:35:17,153 So that's an essential component of this. 1387 00:35:18,655 --> 00:35:20,384 It took years and, ultimately, 1388 00:35:20,424 --> 00:35:23,086 it took playing music with the Rolling Stones, 1389 00:35:23,127 --> 00:35:24,754 actually playing bass with them 1390 00:35:24,795 --> 00:35:28,253 just during sessions and between songs and everything like that, 1391 00:35:28,298 --> 00:35:30,892 to understand what goes on in that band. 1392 00:35:30,934 --> 00:35:35,337 The Rolling Stones really listen to each other. 1393 00:35:35,372 --> 00:35:39,308 They're quick to react, as they are in conversation. 1394 00:35:39,343 --> 00:35:42,801 It's a highly conversational band. 1395 00:35:42,846 --> 00:35:46,805 The exchange, musically, between the players is... 1396 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,784 ...it's jocular 1397 00:35:51,822 --> 00:35:55,690 and it's loose and it's quick. 1398 00:35:55,726 --> 00:36:01,255 And just as their conversational repartee is like that, so is their playing. 1399 00:36:01,298 --> 00:36:05,735 And whatever goes on interpersonally between any of them, 1400 00:36:05,769 --> 00:36:09,261 I believe it evaporates when they start playing. 1401 00:36:09,306 --> 00:36:12,605 And they're loose. It reminds me so much of Miles Davis. 1402 00:36:12,643 --> 00:36:14,440 Miles Davis was the jazz example. 1403 00:36:14,478 --> 00:36:18,039 That band that he had around that same time, that had Herbie Hancock 1404 00:36:18,082 --> 00:36:21,279 and Wayne Shorter and Ron Carter and Tony Williams, 1405 00:36:21,318 --> 00:36:27,655 was loose, was floating on this incredible drum thing that's happening, 1406 00:36:29,426 --> 00:36:33,192 and confident and a little cocky. 1407 00:36:37,234 --> 00:36:39,964 It's the way you should play rock and roll. 1408 00:36:40,003 --> 00:36:43,871 Without self=consciousness, without being stiff, without showing off. 1409 00:36:43,907 --> 00:36:48,003 It's not a show=off record. It's not filled with "look how fast I can play". 1410 00:36:48,045 --> 00:36:51,139 It's a really soulful record. 1411 00:36:51,181 --> 00:36:54,673 You can't overstate the importance of Mick Taylor. 1412 00:36:54,718 --> 00:36:59,280 That's something else I learned from listening to this stuff. 1413 00:36:59,323 --> 00:37:04,283 He's a great foil for Keith's playing. 1414 00:37:04,328 --> 00:37:07,161 It's different from what he's got going with Ronnie, 1415 00:37:07,197 --> 00:37:11,293 where they talk about the weaving of the guitarists. 1416 00:37:11,335 --> 00:37:13,895 This is two very separate approaches 1417 00:37:13,937 --> 00:37:17,338 that bounce off each other in a really unique way. 1418 00:37:17,374 --> 00:37:23,176 It's a real strong characteristic of the Stones' recordings from that period. 1419 00:37:23,213 --> 00:37:27,047 Something else that I really got hip to 1420 00:37:27,084 --> 00:37:31,145 was just how great a bass player Bill Wyman is. 1421 00:37:31,188 --> 00:37:34,487 He's a crazy, genius bass player. 1422 00:37:34,525 --> 00:37:38,052 I'm a bass player, I can learn his parts note for note, 1423 00:37:38,095 --> 00:37:40,325 but I could never come up with them. 1424 00:37:41,932 --> 00:37:44,025 He sort of thinks like a guitar player 1425 00:37:44,067 --> 00:37:47,230 and he's playing in holes where a guitar player might play 1426 00:37:47,271 --> 00:37:49,933 with a very melodic kind of thing 1427 00:37:49,973 --> 00:37:54,376 and the tone of the bass doesn't have a big low register, 1428 00:37:54,411 --> 00:37:56,242 it's almost nasally sounding, 1429 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,239 it's almost like it's the seventh string of the guitar. 1430 00:38:00,284 --> 00:38:03,481 But then, he'll throw in some James Jameson kind of thing, 1431 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,614 some totally funky fill that's just like... 1432 00:38:07,624 --> 00:38:09,615 It's quite sophisticated. 1433 00:38:11,361 --> 00:38:13,761 He's an enigmatic musician... 1434 00:38:15,299 --> 00:38:18,291 but such an important component in this stuff. 1435 00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:22,830 If there's one thing, one big overall thing, 1436 00:38:22,873 --> 00:38:26,969 that I learned about Exile from listening to all this stuff... 1437 00:38:29,346 --> 00:38:35,342 it's that maybe everything that you heard about actually happened, 1438 00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:37,410 but when they were recording... 1439 00:38:38,555 --> 00:38:40,182 they were on their game. 1440 00:38:40,224 --> 00:38:43,091 You couldn't possibly write all these songs 1441 00:38:43,126 --> 00:38:46,994 and record all these songs and play them as well as they did, 1442 00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:49,396 and not be at the top of your game. 1443 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:55,932 So, the mythology's got to include some superhuman strength 1444 00:38:55,973 --> 00:38:58,908 and has got to acknowledge 1445 00:38:58,942 --> 00:39:02,571 that they're really professional, they're really a great band. 1446 00:39:02,613 --> 00:39:05,411 There's nothing shitty about Exile On Main St. 1447 00:39:05,449 --> 00:39:07,610 When you really get into it, 1448 00:39:07,651 --> 00:39:11,485 there's a looseness but that should not be mistaken for sloppiness. 1449 00:39:11,521 --> 00:39:15,924 There's nothing sloppy about Exile. And there's a lot of really good stuff. 1450 00:39:15,959 --> 00:39:19,918 Plus, in the things that weren't included on the album, 1451 00:39:19,963 --> 00:39:23,455 you can see the link, you can see the link to... 1452 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:27,231 Like Aladdin Story, for example, which is called something else now... 1453 00:39:27,271 --> 00:39:33,176 That's the link to Between The Buttons and Exile. But there is one. 1454 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:35,235 So, a lot of these things... 1455 00:39:36,179 --> 00:39:38,443 In fact, if you just listen to these 18 songs, 1456 00:39:38,482 --> 00:39:40,848 it's like "Wow, where did that spring from?" 1457 00:39:40,884 --> 00:39:45,287 But there actually is some lineage and connection. 53832

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