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[Man Narrating]
In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented by two separate
yet equally important groups-
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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I thought you were
buying the paper.
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Just checking the ponies.
Yeah?
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How did Johnnie Walker make out in the fifth?
Cut me some slack, Gretch.
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You know how much stress
I'm under right now.
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It is 8:00 in the damn morning.
I'll go to a meeting.
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Right.
[Sighs ]Jeffrey.
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I really mean it this time,
I swear.
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Oh, my God.
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[ Officer]
White female, late 30s.
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People who live in the garden apartment
found her first thing this morning.
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Guy's half in the bag.
The early bird catches the hangover.
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Looks like she took a header
from one of the hotel balconies.
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Get the crime techs up there.
Check out all the rooms
with balconies facing this backyard
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Will do.
Victim have any I.D. on her?
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No pockets. She was wearin' a skirt.
All right. Thanks.
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- Brody, what you got for us, man?
- Quick drive-by, blunt trauma smorgasbord.
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Broken pelvis,
shattered lower extremities,
lots of lacerations,
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rib cage like a bag full
of broken china.
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Jumpin' off a balcony
will do that.
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If she jumped,
she would have hit that lower roof.
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[Green] You saying she was pushed?
I'll know more when I get her on the table.
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But judging from the trajectory,
I'd say, yeah, she had help.
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Can you put a time on it?
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Based on body temperature
and lividity, I'd ballpark it somewhere
between 10:00 and 11:00 last night.
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Detectives,
this is Mr. Wrightsman,
the manager of the hotel.
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How can I help you?
What can you tell us about the upper floors,
the ones with the balconies?
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Those are our executive suites.
So much for the golden parachute.
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It's a nice view.
I prefer a southern exposure.
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Hey, Reed. You got anything?
Usable prints? I doubt it.
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But I did find this
lying out here on the terrace.
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Contact lens.
Cutting-edge R.G.P.
Rigid Gas Permeable.
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- Could've popped out during a struggle.
- Don't get your hopes up.
It's extremely durable.
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It could've been lying out here
for days, weeks, months.
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I know it's hopeless,
but get it to the lab anyway.
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What a novel idea.
I was gonna auction it off on eBay.
You want another idea?
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Detectives?
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Lisa Winslow checked in
yesterday afternoon around 4:00.
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Reception gave her one room key.
She certainly didn't mess up the room.
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Concierge said she just used it
to freshen up before her speech...
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at the Hoop-la International
Convention last night.
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- Hoop-la?
- Licensees for various pro basketball
products and spin-offs.
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We have some of the top players here.
Julius West, Jimmy Neal.
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- What'd she talk about?
- I gather she was some kind
of motivational speaker.
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Fire up the reps
to sell more sneakers.
That sort of thing.
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Five-hundred-dollar-a-day
dressing room?
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I guess she could afford it,
unless this purse is some kind
of Canal Street knockoff.
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Well, she's our high diver,
all right. “Lisa Winslow."
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No wonder she could afford
to use the place
just to powder her nose.
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She's a local.
Blackstone Avenue, the Bronx.
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It's Riverdale.
Trust me, this purse is real.
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I'm sorry. Miss Winslow is not here.
I don't know where.
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[Briscoe] Who are you, ma'am?
I'm the nanny.
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Uh, if we could just come in?
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We need to talk to somebody
about Miss Winslow.
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Do you know if there's any family
we can call?
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Miss Lisa's sister is here.
Why don't you go get her? Thanks.
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You can wait in here.
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I hate it when they have kids.
You kidding? It's the worst.
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- Can I help you?
- Uh, this is Detective Green.
I'm Detective Briscoe.
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Renee Bishop.
ls there a problem?
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You're Lisa Winslow's sister?
What is it? What's wrong?
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I'm afraid that we have
some bad news.
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About Lisa?
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She was found dead early this morning
at the Park Terrace Hotel.
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Oh, my God!
She fell from a balcony
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Sophie.
Sophie?
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My niece, Lisa's daughter.
What am I going to tell her?
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Is her father around?
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Lisa's a single parent.
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What's his name?
Where can we get in touch with him?
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There's no one to get in touch with.
Sophie was adopted.
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Mommy?
Oh, Mommy's not home yet.
I'll be there in a minute.
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I can't find my princess doll.
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I'm going to be with you
in one minute, all right?
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Lorena, will you help her
look for her doll, please?
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Of course. Come, mi hija.
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[Sighs, Sobbing]
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When you're up to it,
we're gonna need you
to come down and identify her.
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Of course I will.
We also need to know
where your sister worked.
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She owned her own business.
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I think I have her card
in my purse.
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I'll get it.
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Lisa was one of the top
motivational speakers
in the country.
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Her competitive background
in athletics dovetailed nicely
with contemporary corporate culture.
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"1996 Olympic Swim Team."
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“First place, Big Island
Iron Woman Triathlon."
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She won three triathlons.
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Do you know how hard that is?
What an accomplishment?
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My idea of a triathlon
was junior high
punt, pass and kick.
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So she did well.
Oh, very well
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Business was booming. She was in great demand.
[Briscoe] What about her personal life?
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Lisa was much too busy
to have a personal life.
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No boyfriends,
ex-boyfriends, husbands?
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She was gay.
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Oh, any girlfriends,
ex-girlfriends?
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She never mentioned
anyone to me.
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What can you tell us
about this speaking engagement
she had last night?
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She rocked the house.
They absolutely ate it up.
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Finished the Q&A
a little after 9:00.
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What'd she do after that?
There was a reception.
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When I left,
she was heading to the bar
with a couple of players.
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- Schmoozing was Lisa's forte.
- Which players was she schmoozing with?
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I'm sorry. I'm not in to basketball.
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They were tall,
African American.
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She was in here last night.
Had a few Cosmos.
Actually, more than a few.
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Who was she drinking with?
A couple of black guys,
looked like basketball players.
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We got this Hoop-la-la
Convention here all week.
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So they had a couple of drinks--
A few laughs, then paid the tab and left.
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- Together?
- Yeah, I guess. Around 10:00.
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How'd they pay the tab?
One of the guys charged it to his room.
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Yeah, we tossed back a couple with her.
Honey said she was writing some sort
of motivational book for athletes.
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She wanted a few quotes,
like what makes a winner,
stuff like that.
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Uh, why?
We'll ask the questions.
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After the bar, what'd you do?
I went upstairs, hit the sack.
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Alone?
Yeah.
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What about you?
Me, I caught a ride downtown
to this new hip-hop spot, TR Caesars.
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How long were you there?
Uh, maybe till, like,
3:00 in the morning.
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Did you happen to get
a taxi receipt?
A taxi?
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Call the limo company
and they'll straighten you out.
All right. We will
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So, uh, am I off the hook?
I mean, I gotta split.
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Don't tell me I can't leave town.
I got a big game in K.C. tonight.
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You can go for now.
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See you in Philly, bro.
No doubt.
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So you're on your way
to your room. Did you ride
the elevator with Ms. Winslow?
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Yeah. She got off at her floor,
I went on up to mine.
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So as far as we know,
you were the last person
to see her alive.
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This is messed up.
I told you. I went to my room, man.
My wheels are here.
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That's gonna have to wait.
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You were in the elevator with her.
Y'all got this connection going.
You end up in her room?
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No. I told you.
I did not go to the lady's room.
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Only she's not interested
in what you have to offer,
and you can't figure out why.
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This is so wrong.
“No” is not a word you're
used to hearing, is it, Shawn?
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[Sighs]
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Look, I hooked up
with a shortie, okay?
A shortie?
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A female.
She was hangin' in the lobby,
sweatin' me all night.
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Finally gave her my room number,
told her to holler at me around 10:00.
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You got a name for this shortie?
Alicia. I think.
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So, Alicia. You didn't happen
to notice her last name, did you?
No, I didn't.
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It was just a one-hitter quitter.
She was sportin' team color.
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Like a varsity jacket?
Yeah.
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What school?
Marlboro. Yeah, Marlboro.
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My mom's, like, in the Dark Ages.
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If she finds out about this,
she'll, like, totally freak.
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Why don't you tell us what happened,
and we'll try to make sure
that she don't totally freak.
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Shawn's Web site said
he'd be in New York.
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I thought it'd be cool to meet him.
He's always been my favorite player.
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He's so cute.
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So you went up to his room?
He's famous.
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I've never been
with a famous person before.
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So how long were you two kickin' it?
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I hooked up with him about 10:00,
went home about 2:00.
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He even paid
for my cab fare home.
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Gee, a real gentleman, huh?
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All right. Thanks.
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I'm glad I don't have kids.
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It's a mixed bag.
They're not all like Alicia.
Some of them are worse.
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Ed. These came in while you were out.
Thanks, man.
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M.E. says the D.N.A. on the contact
wasn't Lisa Winslow.
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Could be it belonged
to the killer after all.
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Also found circumferential bruises
on her upper arms,
contusion on her left hip.
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That's consistent with being grabbed
and pushed off that balcony.
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I have a problem.
Join the club. Shawn Beatty's
alibi just got corroborated.
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Lisa Winslow's parents
are on their way here
from New Hope.
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They want to know
why they had to find out
about their daughter's death...
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from a news item on the radio.
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We told the sister.
She didn't tell the family?
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According to the parents,
Lisa Winslow doesn't have a sister.
What?
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Then who was the woman
we met at Winslow's house?
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We sent a patrol car by
to have a word with her.
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Whoever she is, she's gone,
and she took the girl with her.
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Damn.
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[Briscoe]
So you have no idea
who this woman might be?
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I'm afraid you're asking
the wrong people.
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Lisa kept us
out of her private life.
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Mr. and Mrs. Winslow, we need to
find your granddaughter now.
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She's really not our granddaughter.
We've never even met her.
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She is precious.
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We got a lot of people working on this.
There's a statewide Amber Alert.
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If you know anything
that can help, great.
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If not, we're wasting valuable time
when we should be out looking for her.
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Um...
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about eight years ago,
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Lisa told us she'd met
a woman in Florida,
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and they were gonna
adopt a child down there.
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Said they were gonna get married.
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You know, shack up together.
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Said they were in love.
Broke her mother's heart.
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After that
we didn't talk very much.
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- Maybe a card at Christmas.
- They were living in Florida?
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After they split up,
Lisa moved to New York.
That was two years ago.
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Do you know if she had any friends
in New York we could talk to?
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Anybody she might have
confided in?
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Who was that Susan girl
at NYU, Paul?
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Um, Susan Roberts, was it?
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I think they kept in touch
over the years.
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Lisa wasn't the type to
pour out her heart over cocktails.
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Do you know
if she was seeing somebody?
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As far as I know, uh,
a few dates here and there.
No one special.
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What about past relationships?
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She had an ex in Florida.
Renee something. I never met her.
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[Briscoe] I think we have.
They were living in Miami.
That's where they adopted Sophie.
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Do you have any idea
why they broke up?
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Lisa said they'd just grown apart.
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Been together something like seven years,
didn't have anything in common anymore.
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Except for Sophie.
Yeah, except Sophie.
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What I understand,
Renee was devastated by the split,
and so was Sophie.
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I told Lisa I thought
she was wrong to separate them.
Renee was Sophie's mother too.
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What did Lisa do?
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Moved to New York,
got a lawyer.
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Do you know how we can find this lawyer?
Yeah, I used her for my divorce.
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00:12:45,798 --> 00:12:48,438
Nancy Shapiro.
217
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Madison and 53rd.
218
00:12:51,404 --> 00:12:53,350
Where is Sophie, by the way?
219
00:12:53,406 --> 00:12:56,546
Who's taking care of her?
We're looking for her.
220
00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:59,283
Renee has her?
221
00:12:59,345 --> 00:13:02,019
Renee Bishop, still in Miami,
far as I know.
222
00:13:02,081 --> 00:13:05,153
Here's her contact info.
I'm gonna call the squad, get 'em on it.
223
00:13:05,218 --> 00:13:08,597
Why don't you tell me
about the custody battle?
There was none.
224
00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:11,898
Custody battles occur
when both parties have
legal custodial rights,
225
00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:14,097
which was not the case here.
226
00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,903
It's our understanding
that these two women
raised the child together.
227
00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:19,966
Heather Has Two Mommies.
228
00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:23,981
Florida law prohibits
homosexuals from adopting.
Lisa filed as a single woman.
229
00:13:24,037 --> 00:13:27,575
Which gave her legal custody.
Sole legal custody.
230
00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,813
So why hire you?
231
00:13:29,876 --> 00:13:33,551
To protect her interests.
Lisa didn't want Renee Bishop
in Sophie's life.
232
00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:35,559
Sophie was adjusting nicely,
233
00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:39,563
and any further contact would have
prolonged the agony of the divorce.
234
00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:42,964
Renee Bishop took
a whole lot of legal avenues
to get some kind of visitation,
235
00:13:43,022 --> 00:13:45,525
but under Florida law,
she didn't have a leg to stand on.
236
00:13:45,591 --> 00:13:48,765
Woman raises a kid for five years,
then gets cut out of her life.
237
00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:50,774
Sounds like motive to me.
238
00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:54,835
It makes me a little less worried about the girl.
At least we know her other mother
isn't gonna harm her.
239
00:13:54,901 --> 00:13:57,905
I just got off the phone
with Bishop's roommate in Miami.
240
00:13:57,971 --> 00:14:01,077
According to him,
she left for New York City
last week.
241
00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:03,484
Did he say where she was staying?
No.
242
00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:05,921
What about her cell phone?
Trace her through that?
243
00:14:05,979 --> 00:14:09,483
Doesn't have one,
but I did get the LUDS
from her home phone in Miami.
244
00:14:09,549 --> 00:14:14,589
Renee Bishop made over 50 calls
to Lisa Winslow in the last six months.
245
00:14:14,654 --> 00:14:17,498
That's a lot of calls to your ex.
Not if you're fighting over a kid.
246
00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:20,470
Lieutenant?
Yeah,. Thanks.
247
00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:25,202
Renee Bishop's credit card charges.
248
00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:28,939
She's been staying
at the Melrose Hotel all week.
249
00:14:31,671 --> 00:14:34,880
Sure. I remember this little girl.
Cute as a button. Here with her mom.
250
00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:38,616
Renee Bishop.
Bishop? Just a minute.
251
00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:43,626
Here she is. Renee Bishop.
They checked out an hour ago.
252
00:14:43,683 --> 00:14:47,221
Damn. We're gonna need
a record of her phone calls.
253
00:14:47,286 --> 00:14:49,288
I'll print one out.
254
00:14:50,289 --> 00:14:53,793
John, come here a minute.
Doorman might know
which way they went.
255
00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:58,203
N.Y.P.D.
They're looking for this kid
and her mom.
256
00:14:58,264 --> 00:15:02,303
Yeah, I remember them.
I put 'em on a hotel shuttle
to Port Authority.
257
00:15:02,368 --> 00:15:05,611
Thanks. Great.
By now they're on a bus
to God knows where.
258
00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:09,141
518. I know that area code.
It's upstate someplace, right?
259
00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:13,520
There were a couple of 518 calls
on her Florida LUDS.
260
00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:15,581
Same number.
Bloomington, New York.
261
00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:19,221
That's not that far.
That's, like, two hours on the thruway,
near Kingston.
262
00:15:19,285 --> 00:15:22,698
Call the Port Authority,
the phone company
and the state police.
263
00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:25,326
I'll drive.
264
00:15:25,391 --> 00:15:27,735
[Police Radio: Woman Speaking, indistinct]
265
00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:32,776
Sir?
266
00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,410
Have you seen this little girl
on the bus?
267
00:15:36,469 --> 00:15:38,710
They got off last stop,
Rosendale.
268
00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:41,115
They're not here, Ed.
I know. Let's go.
269
00:15:41,174 --> 00:15:45,020
Detective?
They were sitting behind me.
The little girl said she was hungry.
270
00:15:45,078 --> 00:15:48,082
The mother said
they would get something to eat
after they got off the bus.
271
00:15:48,147 --> 00:15:50,093
Thank you, ma'am.
I appreciate that.
272
00:15:50,149 --> 00:15:52,186
There's a pizza joint
behind the depot.
We're all over it.
273
00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:54,197
Thank you.
274
00:15:56,823 --> 00:15:59,565
[Whispering]
275
00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:03,004
Renee Bishop?
276
00:16:03,062 --> 00:16:06,475
Please. Not here.
Not in front of my little girl.
Come on, ma'am.
277
00:16:06,532 --> 00:16:09,274
Let's make this easy on everybody
Grandma, what's happening?
278
00:16:09,335 --> 00:16:11,281
Don't worry, baby.
It's okay honey
279
00:16:11,337 --> 00:16:13,749
Everything's going to be okay.
[Green] You can come too, sweetie.
280
00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:15,752
No!
281
00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:18,652
- Leave her here with me. I'll take her home.
- Sorry, ma'am. We can't do that.
282
00:16:18,711 --> 00:16:20,554
I'm her grandmother!
Ma'am, I'm sorry.
283
00:16:20,613 --> 00:16:23,822
When we get to the city,
Social Services will take
very good care of Sophie.
284
00:16:23,883 --> 00:16:26,796
Will I be able to see her?
Sorry ma'am. That's not up to us.
285
00:16:26,853 --> 00:16:29,857
We're gonna take a little ride.
Mommy's coming too.
What about Grandma?
286
00:16:29,922 --> 00:16:31,924
Grandma's gonna have to
stay here for now.
287
00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:35,598
You go along with those men.
I'll see you later, baby.
Bye, Grandma.
288
00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:38,369
Bye, baby.
Bye, Mom.
289
00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:41,241
Bye.
290
00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:43,246
Bye, Grandma.
291
00:16:49,275 --> 00:16:52,279
Docket 2206,
People v. Renee Bishop.
292
00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:54,689
Charge is one count kidnapping
in the second degree.
293
00:16:54,747 --> 00:16:59,628
Mr. Hobart, can we get a plea
before Valentine's Day is history?
294
00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:02,495
Not guilty.
People on bail?
295
00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:06,503
The People seek remand.
The defendant was fleeing with
the minor victim of the kidnapping.
296
00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:09,199
Ms. Bishop was taking her daughter
for a family visit.
297
00:17:09,262 --> 00:17:12,209
The defendant bears no legal
or familial relationship to this child.
298
00:17:12,265 --> 00:17:14,609
The People are being disingenuous.
299
00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:18,376
Wouldn't be the first time, counselor.
Defendant is remanded.
[Gavel Raps]
300
00:17:20,006 --> 00:17:23,510
Mr. McCoy, opposing bail?
Was that really necessary?
301
00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:26,079
Your client is charged
with kidnapping,
302
00:17:26,145 --> 00:17:29,149
implicated in Lisa Winslow's homicide.
303
00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,923
Do you expect us
to offer her a cup of tea?
304
00:17:31,984 --> 00:17:35,488
I was taking my daughter
to see her grandparents.
Renee, please.
305
00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:39,594
Mr. McCoy, your so-called kidnap
is a custodial disagreement.
306
00:17:39,659 --> 00:17:42,105
Parents run off with their kids
every day in divorce cases.
307
00:17:42,161 --> 00:17:46,473
There's no legally recognized
relation between your client
and Sophie Winslow.
308
00:17:46,532 --> 00:17:50,207
- She's my child.
- Not under Florida or New York statute.
309
00:17:50,269 --> 00:17:54,046
Okay, what do you say we parse
the finerpoints of family law
another day?
310
00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:57,087
We all know you would've
brought homicide charges
if you had a case.
311
00:17:57,143 --> 00:17:59,054
Since you didn't, you don't.
Not yet.
312
00:17:59,111 --> 00:18:03,218
So what are you saying?
You're leveraging a trumped-up
kidnap charge to investigate a murder?
313
00:18:03,282 --> 00:18:05,660
For better or worse,
Florida law gives us that authority.
314
00:18:05,718 --> 00:18:09,996
The law? The law wasn't there
when I was on the phone
with Sophie every day,
315
00:18:10,056 --> 00:18:12,559
and she was crying,
telling me how much she missed me.
316
00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:16,334
My client was going to be in New York
to visit her parents.
317
00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:20,935
She spoke to Ms. Winslow
a couple of weeks ago to see if something
couldn't be worked out, for Sophie's sake.
318
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,243
Ms. Winslow agreed
my client could see Sophie.
319
00:18:24,303 --> 00:18:27,147
Sophie didn't have school that day,
320
00:18:27,206 --> 00:18:29,982
so we decided to have lunch
at their house.
321
00:18:30,042 --> 00:18:33,353
When Ms. Bishop got to the house
that morning, per agreement,
she had no idea what had happened.
322
00:18:33,412 --> 00:18:37,189
But after she talked to the police,
she grabbed Sophie and ran off.
323
00:18:37,249 --> 00:18:39,286
An understandable panic response.
324
00:18:39,352 --> 00:18:42,663
When the police told her what had happened
to Lisa, she was terrified she'd never
get to see Sophie again.
325
00:18:42,722 --> 00:18:45,726
You can imagine, Mr. McCoy,
how I felt.
326
00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:48,772
I can also imagine that you
were so angry at Lisa Winslow.
327
00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:51,308
for taking Sophie away from you...
328
00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:55,710
that you threw her off a balcony
in a rage.
329
00:18:55,768 --> 00:18:59,875
Renee Bishop just happens to be in town
the day Lisa Winslow's murdered?
330
00:18:59,939 --> 00:19:01,885
Never been a big fan
of coincidence.
331
00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,285
And given Renee Bishop's
account of the facts,
332
00:19:04,343 --> 00:19:06,983
I don't even know if a jury
will see this as a kidnapping.
333
00:19:07,046 --> 00:19:10,516
And I don't care,
given the fact that Ms. Bishop
is probably also a murderer...
334
00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:12,529
and the kidnap charge
lets us hold her.
335
00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:16,692
Besides, Serena, the Florida statute
is not some technicality.
336
00:19:16,756 --> 00:19:19,396
It's the law.
Florida's in the minority, sir.
337
00:19:19,458 --> 00:19:24,134
- Is it?
- Most states permit some form
of gay adoption, including New York.
338
00:19:24,196 --> 00:19:26,870
They don't specifically
prohibit it, you mean.
339
00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:29,413
Pusillanimous
“don't ask, don't tell" policies.
340
00:19:29,468 --> 00:19:32,415
Hardly a ringing endorsement
of the underlying question,
341
00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:35,315
which makes a lot of folks queasy.
342
00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:39,845
Now, tell me, how are we gonna
go about making out a homicide case
against this Bishop woman?
343
00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:43,155
Everything about Lisa Winslow
screams type-A-plus personality.
344
00:19:43,215 --> 00:19:45,161
Olympic athlete,
Phi Beta at Brown.
345
00:19:45,217 --> 00:19:48,096
Well, New York's full of ambitious women.
What are you thinking?
346
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:52,034
Renee Bishop said that she arranged
to meet Lisa and Sophie at their home.
347
00:19:52,091 --> 00:19:54,571
You think she's lying?
348
00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:57,301
I think that Lisa Winslow
would sooner cut off her little finger...
349
00:19:57,363 --> 00:20:01,709
than take time out of her busy schedule
in the middle of a business day.
350
00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:05,271
The 25th?
Oh, you mean the day after.
351
00:20:05,337 --> 00:20:08,978
All I see here are
back-to-back-to-back meetings.
352
00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:11,885
No mention
of going home for lunch?
353
00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:16,188
At 11:45, she was going
to pitch her services
to the GenTech Corporation.
354
00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:18,524
Is there any possibility
she canceled?
355
00:20:18,584 --> 00:20:20,928
Blow off a potential
Fortune 500 account?
356
00:20:20,986 --> 00:20:23,728
Do you have any idea how long
it took her to get that contact?
357
00:20:23,789 --> 00:20:26,861
I'm gonna need the number
for GenTech.
358
00:20:28,327 --> 00:20:31,934
The C.E.O. of GenTech
told me that Lisa Winslow
never canceled her appointment
359
00:20:31,997 --> 00:20:35,342
She even confirmed it the day before.
Strike one on Bishop.
360
00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:38,974
Lisa never made plans
with Renee for lunch
or for anything else.
361
00:20:39,038 --> 00:20:41,882
Tell Jack, but you better count to 10 first.
362
00:20:44,643 --> 00:20:47,715
I've already told you, Mrs. Bishop.
I can't discuss the case with you.
363
00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:52,126
I'm terrified of losing my daughter.
Please don't take my granddaughter too.
364
00:20:52,184 --> 00:20:56,223
Ultimately, it's not up to me.
Whatever's deemed best
for the child.
365
00:20:56,288 --> 00:21:00,896
What's best for Sophie
is to be with her mother, or us.
366
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,464
My husband and I,
we're her family, Mr. McCoy.
367
00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:07,238
If Renee has to go to jail,
we'd adopt her.
368
00:21:07,299 --> 00:21:10,872
We love her.
It took a while with Frank.
He's old-fashioned.
369
00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:12,938
But when he saw
those blue eyes--
370
00:21:13,005 --> 00:21:15,246
Mrs. Bishop.
371
00:21:15,307 --> 00:21:19,255
You can't send her
to the Winslows, Mr. McCoy
372
00:21:19,311 --> 00:21:21,313
They've never even
seen Sophie.
373
00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:25,123
They've never sent her
so much as a birthday card.
374
00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:29,826
And now she's with Social Services,
and they won't let me see her.
375
00:21:33,058 --> 00:21:35,004
I can't make any promises.
376
00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:40,306
Anything you can do for us,
Mr. McCoy, please.
377
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:49,912
All of the calls originated
from Renee's phone in Florida.
378
00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:53,047
There wasn't one
returned phone call
from Lisa Winslow.
379
00:21:53,112 --> 00:21:55,786
She's harassing her.
But look at the time frame, Jack.
380
00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:59,159
All of the calls were
between 3:00 and 5:00 p.m.
381
00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:02,222
After school, but before
the end of the work day.
382
00:22:02,288 --> 00:22:05,667
Renee talked to Sophie,
never to Lisa.
383
00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:08,171
The calls stopped two months ago.
384
00:22:08,227 --> 00:22:12,835
Lisa finds out that Renee's
talking to Sophie, puts an end to it
and cuts off all contact between them.
385
00:22:12,898 --> 00:22:15,401
And that pushes Renee
over the edge.
386
00:22:15,468 --> 00:22:17,914
She comes to New York
and returns the favor, literally.
387
00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:21,042
If you can confirm that,
we're looking at a homicide charge.
388
00:22:21,106 --> 00:22:24,280
I'll talk to the nanny.
Go straight to the source.
389
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,289
Sophie.
390
00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:31,250
[Southerlyn]
Where'd you get your bunny?
391
00:22:31,317 --> 00:22:33,797
Mommy Renee gave it to me.
392
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,026
She's a cutie-pie.
393
00:22:37,389 --> 00:22:41,269
Did you and Mommy Renee ever talk
after you and Mommy Lisa
moved to New York?
394
00:22:41,327 --> 00:22:44,570
I'm not supposed to say.
395
00:22:46,298 --> 00:22:50,747
I have a secret too. You want to hear it?
Yeah.
396
00:22:50,803 --> 00:22:53,647
When I was seven,
397
00:22:53,706 --> 00:22:56,448
I put soap
on my little brother's toothbrush.
398
00:22:56,509 --> 00:22:58,614
Gross!
399
00:22:58,677 --> 00:23:01,021
Did you get a time-out?
400
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,526
I sure did.
Me too.
401
00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:07,394
When Mommy Lisa found out
that you were talking to Mommy Renee?
402
00:23:08,687 --> 00:23:10,633
She got mad.
403
00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:13,795
What did Mommy Renee say, honey?
404
00:23:13,859 --> 00:23:17,534
She said not to tell anyone.
405
00:23:17,596 --> 00:23:20,236
You're not going to tell, right?
406
00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:23,576
No, darling, I won't tell.
407
00:23:23,636 --> 00:23:26,742
Grandma?
408
00:23:26,805 --> 00:23:28,751
Grandma! Grandma!
409
00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,809
Hey, baby!
[Sniffles]
410
00:23:32,845 --> 00:23:35,257
Tell Mr. McCoy--
411
00:23:35,314 --> 00:23:38,090
Tell him thank you.
412
00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:40,426
Grandma?
413
00:23:40,486 --> 00:23:43,490
Can you take me home now?
414
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:49,162
I'd rather observe an autopsy
than go through that again.
415
00:23:49,228 --> 00:23:53,233
And Sophie Winslow kept the calls
secret from her mother?
[Phone Ringing]
416
00:23:53,299 --> 00:23:56,872
I have assistants in this office
that don't show that kind
of self-restraint.
417
00:23:56,936 --> 00:24:00,611
Mr. Branch's office.
Your theory's right, Jack, it's murder two.
418
00:24:00,673 --> 00:24:03,813
Felony homicide.
Renee Bishop intentionally
killed Lisa Winslow...
419
00:24:03,876 --> 00:24:06,152
in furtherance of the kidnapping.
420
00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,886
The theory's beginning
to look a lot more like fact.
421
00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:12,122
M.E. just confirmed
that Renee Bishop's D.N.A.
was on the contact lens.
422
00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:15,597
She was there.
Game, set, match.
423
00:24:15,654 --> 00:24:18,225
Before you go jumpin' the net,
we've got the child to consider.
424
00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:23,137
See if Mr. Hobart grasps the wisdom of a plea
under the present circumstances.
425
00:24:26,432 --> 00:24:28,605
The D.N.A. evidence
is incontrovertible.
426
00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:30,613
Not a word.
427
00:24:30,669 --> 00:24:33,775
We'll be amending the indictment
to include murder in the second degree.
428
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,342
That's absurd. It was self-defense.
Ms. Winslow was drunk.
429
00:24:36,408 --> 00:24:38,513
She attacked my client.
They struggled.
430
00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:41,183
Save it, Mr. Hobart.
The facts say otherwise.
431
00:24:41,246 --> 00:24:44,227
She pleads to the top count,
we won't oppose the minimum sentence.
432
00:24:44,283 --> 00:24:46,923
How long is that?
433
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:51,560
Sophie will be in college
before you're eligible for parole.
434
00:24:51,624 --> 00:24:55,731
I can't do that.
Who'll take care of her?
The Winslows?
435
00:24:55,794 --> 00:24:59,139
They don't even want her.
Some foster home?
436
00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:01,838
She won't grow up without me.
437
00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:06,145
Win, lose or draw, Ms. Bishop,
you'll never have custodial rights.
438
00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:09,516
Not necessarily.
We've retained local counsel in Florida.
439
00:25:09,575 --> 00:25:12,078
He filed suit this morning
on Ms. Bishop's behalf,
440
00:25:12,144 --> 00:25:15,591
challenging the constitutionality
of the Florida law barring gays
from adopting.
441
00:25:15,648 --> 00:25:19,858
The Florida statute has nothing to do
with the charges against your client.
442
00:25:19,918 --> 00:25:23,365
It has everything to do with them.
If Ms. Bishop is acquitted
and if we prevail in Florida--
443
00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:27,871
You win the criminal case
and overturn the Florida statute.
Ms. Bishop can sue for custody of Sophie.
444
00:25:27,926 --> 00:25:31,396
[Hobart] At least she has a chance.
If she takes a plea, she's a convicted felon,
an unfit parent.
445
00:25:31,463 --> 00:25:35,240
Any decision in Florida is years away.
Things are moving fast.
446
00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:39,044
Look at the Massachusetts case
on gay marriage.
It's only a matter of time.
447
00:25:39,104 --> 00:25:43,052
You're being given dangerous advice,
Ms. Bishop.
448
00:25:43,108 --> 00:25:47,056
You'll lose both cases.
You'll lose everything.
Take the plea.
449
00:25:47,112 --> 00:25:49,058
No.
450
00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:53,088
I can't.
451
00:25:53,152 --> 00:25:55,154
I have no choice.
452
00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:04,474
Renee Bishop doesn't stand
a snowflake's chance in hades
of winning in the Florida courts.
453
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:09,206
The Massachusetts Supreme Court
ruled that the law against gay marriage
is unconstitutional.
454
00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:13,045
That's Massachusetts.
We're talkin' about Florida--
why we have states.
455
00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:16,211
Different states will draw the line
at different places on this issue.
456
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:20,280
Just where
we were going with abortion
before Roe v. Wade.
457
00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:24,589
Old states' rights proponent like you,
I'm surprised you oppose gay marriage.
458
00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:27,631
But I don't.
Don't necessarily approve of it either.
459
00:26:27,686 --> 00:26:30,462
As far as I'm concerned,
it's none of my business,
or the federal government's.
460
00:26:30,522 --> 00:26:33,059
I can't believe we're on
the same side of this.
461
00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:36,996
I may have to reconsider my position.
[Knocking]
462
00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:46,640
Hobart's moving to dismiss
the kidnapping charge
against Renee Bishop.
463
00:26:48,807 --> 00:26:52,186
“The Florida law barring gay adoption
being unconstitutional,
464
00:26:52,244 --> 00:26:56,886
“there is a parent-child relationship
between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow.
465
00:26:56,949 --> 00:26:59,862
Therefore, the New York
kidnap charge is invalid."
466
00:26:59,918 --> 00:27:01,864
A mother can't kidnap
her own child.
467
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,595
Kidnap charge goes,
proof of Renee's intent to kill
goes with it.
468
00:27:05,657 --> 00:27:07,603
The murder count is undermined.
469
00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:10,868
We still have motive.
One spouse kills another
over a child.
470
00:27:10,929 --> 00:27:12,875
It happens every day
471
00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:15,070
On the other hand,
if Hobart wins the motion--
472
00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:17,512
He argues they
just had a heated discussion
that got out of hand.
473
00:27:17,569 --> 00:27:21,449
It becomes “she said she said ”
The odds of a conviction
drop to 50-50.
474
00:27:21,507 --> 00:27:25,512
Good luck to him
sailing that past Judge Bradley.
475
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:33,123
Judge, the probability
that the defendant will prevail
in Florida is infinitesimal
476
00:27:33,185 --> 00:27:38,100
New York law controls here.
Ms. Bishop had no authority
to take the child.
477
00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:41,570
Ethnically, morally,
Renee Bishop had every right
to take Sophie.
478
00:27:41,627 --> 00:27:46,406
The fact that she is a gay woman
should not have been dispositive
of her rights in Florida or New York.
479
00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:49,605
I don't give a damn
who sleeps with who, counselor.
480
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:53,343
I sure as hell don't care about
some backward, redneck statute.
481
00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:56,409
I see this more along the lines
of a family dispute.
482
00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:59,422
Renee Bishop is emphatically not family.
Catch-22.
483
00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:03,255
Florida law won't allow gays to marry,
and then it says they can't adopt
because they're not a family.
484
00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,261
He's bootstrapping, Judge.
485
00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:08,560
The defendant is the mother
because she might overturn a law...
486
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:10,566
that bars her from being the mother.
487
00:28:10,622 --> 00:28:14,069
You're putting the mule
before the cart's even built, Mr. Hobart.
488
00:28:14,126 --> 00:28:17,630
That's an issue for the Florida courts
to decide some day,
489
00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:20,973
Till then, the parties have
a trial to prepare for.
490
00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:24,310
- Motion to dismiss is denied.
- Judge, if I may?
491
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,349
Make it quick, Mr. Hobart.
492
00:28:26,405 --> 00:28:29,318
Sophie Winslow--
I've decided to call her as a witness.
493
00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,615
At what cost to Sophie?
494
00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:36,490
I am disinclined to allow it, Mr. Hobart.
495
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:39,893
In her own mind, Renee Bishop
was acting to protect her family.
496
00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:43,991
The child can establish
the familial relationship,
at least in Renee's mind, existed.
497
00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:47,833
Novel theory.
[McCoy] Judge, it's an unnecessary
burden for the child...
498
00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:50,499
and a naked attempt
to appeal to the jury's emotions.
499
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:53,941
Of which you are never guilty,
Mr. McCoy.
500
00:28:53,999 --> 00:28:56,673
The child can testify
for the defense,
501
00:28:56,735 --> 00:29:00,842
but I will cut you off in a heartbeat
if I see her in trouble, Mr. Hobart.
502
00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:07,947
The deceased weighed 137 pounds.
503
00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:11,460
Had she simply fallen,
her trajectory would have put her here,
504
00:29:11,517 --> 00:29:13,690
on this lower rooftop.
505
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,733
How do you account for where
the body was actually found?
506
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:21,795
To reach this point
where her body was recovered,
she had to have been pushed, hard.
507
00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:24,773
Additionally, there were bruises
to her arms and hip...
508
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:28,175
consistent with being grabbed
and hurled with some force...
509
00:29:28,233 --> 00:29:30,679
over the balcony guardrail
510
00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:32,682
Nothing further.
511
00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:38,720
What was Ms. Winslow's
blood alcohol again?
512
00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:40,848
1.2.
513
00:29:40,913 --> 00:29:43,393
That's intoxicated, isn't it?
Yes.
514
00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:45,485
Well over the legal limit,
in fact?
515
00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:47,496
It affects different individuals
differently.
516
00:29:47,552 --> 00:29:52,058
There are a lot of factors:
body weight, stomach content,
uh, tolerance to alcohol.
517
00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:54,536
Are you familiar with the term,
"falling down drunk"?
518
00:29:54,593 --> 00:29:58,336
- Objection.
- Sustained. Rephrase or move on, counselor.
519
00:29:58,397 --> 00:30:03,403
Hypothetically, had Ms. Winslow,
intoxicated as she was,
520
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,278
come at Renee Bishop,
521
00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:08,511
isn't it possible that Renee Bishop,
522
00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:11,578
in an act of self-defense,
adrenaline pumping,
523
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:15,682
could have deflected
Lisa Winslow's attack,
524
00:30:15,747 --> 00:30:18,626
propelling her to the point
where her body was found?
525
00:30:18,684 --> 00:30:20,891
Not the way I read the evidence.
526
00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:23,194
But is it possible, hypothetically?
527
00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:25,861
Anything's possible.
528
00:30:25,924 --> 00:30:28,427
[Judge Bradley]
Redirect, Mr. McCoy?
529
00:30:30,028 --> 00:30:33,532
Nothing, Your Honor.
The People rest.
530
00:30:35,634 --> 00:30:38,046
I'm in first grade.
531
00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:40,344
Last year I was in kindergarten.
532
00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:44,785
When you were in preschool in Florida,
who got you ready in the morning
and who took you to school?
533
00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:47,915
Mommy Renee.
534
00:30:47,979 --> 00:30:50,425
And who picked you up from school?
Mommy Renee.
535
00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:53,053
And Mommy Lisa,
did she ever take you to school?
536
00:30:53,118 --> 00:30:55,064
She had to work.
537
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,964
What about when you
got home from school?
What did you do?
538
00:30:58,023 --> 00:31:02,335
Sometimes we went to the park,
539
00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:06,638
or we had a tickle fight,
or we played dress-up.
540
00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:10,612
- We? Who do you mean, honey?
- Me and Mommy Renee.
541
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:14,014
Your Honor, we get the picture.
542
00:31:14,072 --> 00:31:18,077
Ms. Bishop was the primary caregiver,
Ms. Winslow the breadwinner.
543
00:31:18,143 --> 00:31:21,989
A rather traditional arrangement
we're all familiar with.
Wrap it up, counselor
544
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:26,518
Thank you, Sophie. You did great.
Thanks.
545
00:31:26,585 --> 00:31:29,930
Hi, Sophie
Hi.
546
00:31:31,523 --> 00:31:34,527
You love Mommy Renee, don't you?
Yes.
547
00:31:34,593 --> 00:31:38,302
- How 'bout Mommy Lisa?
- I love her too.
548
00:31:40,165 --> 00:31:44,477
- You miss her?
- A lot. She's on a trip.
549
00:31:44,536 --> 00:31:49,383
When Mommy Renee called you
just before she came to visit--
Do you remember that?
550
00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:53,355
Yes.
Did she ask you
where Mommy Lisa was?
551
00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:56,950
I told her she was at the hotel
giving a speech.
552
00:31:57,015 --> 00:31:58,961
It's her work.
553
00:32:03,321 --> 00:32:08,066
Thank you, Sophie.
Mommy Lisa's going to come home soon.
554
00:32:08,126 --> 00:32:12,006
She's going to come and get me.
555
00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:21,848
When I came out in high school,
556
00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:26,583
my father told me that
there was nothing I could do that would
ever make him stop loving me.
557
00:32:27,579 --> 00:32:32,358
But even with my parents'
love and support,
I felt completely alienated.
558
00:32:32,417 --> 00:32:35,887
I knew that I would
never get married,
559
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,025
have children...
560
00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:40,626
or all the things
that straight people
take for granted.
561
00:32:40,692 --> 00:32:43,104
Continuing objection
to this line of questioning.
562
00:32:43,161 --> 00:32:45,573
Get to the heart of the matter, counselor.
563
00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:52,144
- What happened
when you met Lisa Winslow?
- We fell in love.
564
00:32:52,204 --> 00:32:54,548
I wanted to make a life with her.
565
00:32:54,606 --> 00:32:57,450
And when we adopted Sophie,
it seemed complete.
566
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:59,455
[Hobart] We?
I mean Lisa.
567
00:32:59,511 --> 00:33:02,515
In Florida, gay people can't adopt,
568
00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:05,187
so to get around the law,
569
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:08,254
Lisa adopted Sophie
as a single parent.
570
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,766
She made a lot more money
than I did.
571
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,565
She was a stronger applicant,
and it just--
572
00:33:14,626 --> 00:33:16,765
it just made sense.
573
00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:20,275
- She said it was a formality.
- Because of the Florida law.
574
00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:25,213
- Tell us about your family life.
- Your Honor, Sophie Winslow
has already testified about this.
575
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:27,443
[judge Bradley]
Sustained. Move on, Mr. Hobart.
576
00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:29,610
- Why did your marriage break up?
- Your Honor!
577
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:32,052
Withdrawn.
Why did you and Lisa split up?
578
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:34,920
Lisa left me.
579
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:37,290
She met someone else.
580
00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,920
I got a lawyer, but he told me
there was nothing I could do.
581
00:33:39,985 --> 00:33:41,931
I lost everything.
582
00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:46,832
Renee, why did you go
to the hotel?
583
00:33:46,892 --> 00:33:50,135
I went to the hotel to talk to Lisa,
to find some way to reach her,
584
00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:52,141
to do what was best for Sophie.
585
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:55,440
But Lisa was drunk and abusive.
586
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,346
She told me that she would never
let me back into Sophie's life.
587
00:33:59,404 --> 00:34:01,816
She said that Sophie
was starting to forget me.
588
00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:06,253
[Hobart]
What happened then after she told you
that you could never see Sophie again?
589
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:09,155
I felt sick!
590
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:12,024
I just went out onto the balcony
to get some air.
591
00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,996
I guess she followed me out there.
She was yelling.
592
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:18,398
She was slurring her words,
the way she always did
when she got drunk.
593
00:34:18,456 --> 00:34:21,437
She was pushing at me,
and she's a lot stronger than I am,
594
00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:23,837
and she's bigger,
and I was just scared.
595
00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:26,739
I guess I just must have
pushed her back...
596
00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:31,372
because then she just lost her balance
and she-she fell.
597
00:34:34,172 --> 00:34:37,153
Did Ms. Winslow invite you
to her hotel?
598
00:34:37,209 --> 00:34:39,985
No.
Did she even know
you were in New York?
599
00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:43,125
I don't know.
600
00:34:43,181 --> 00:34:46,185
In actuality, you went to her hotel
and ambushed her.
601
00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:48,993
No, I went to her hotel
to talk to her, period.
602
00:34:49,054 --> 00:34:53,525
When you got to her hotel,
you attacked her
and pushed her to her death.
603
00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:56,937
I didn't. She attacked me.
604
00:34:56,995 --> 00:34:59,532
She fell.
It was an accident.
605
00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:02,545
You didn't call 911
for an ambulance or the police.
606
00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,741
You abducted her child
and got on a bus!
607
00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:08,580
My child.
608
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,642
Our child.
609
00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:15,018
I just did
what any parent would do.
610
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,323
You took Sophie and ran!
Yes or no?
611
00:35:18,383 --> 00:35:21,227
How could I abduct my own child?
612
00:35:21,286 --> 00:35:26,099
If anybody is guilty
of kidnapping, it was Lisa.
613
00:35:44,175 --> 00:35:46,883
Can I get a pint, please, Marty?
614
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:53,959
You got any kids, McCoy?
What difference does that make?
615
00:35:54,019 --> 00:35:56,693
If somebody tried to take them,
what would you do?
616
00:35:56,755 --> 00:36:00,259
Fight like hell, within the strictures
of the law.
617
00:36:00,325 --> 00:36:03,329
That's easy for you to say.
The laws are all on your side.
618
00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:07,036
Even divorced, you don't lose
your status as a father.
619
00:36:07,098 --> 00:36:10,307
A crackhead who sells his daughter for $10
has a chance of getting her back.
620
00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:12,314
Renee had nothing.
621
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:17,547
Should Renee Bishop be able
to adopt a child with her lover,
get married, raise a family?
622
00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:20,749
Questions for other courts
on other days, Mr. Hobart.
623
00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:24,225
That day is coming... soon.
624
00:36:24,282 --> 00:36:28,958
Offer stands.
She can shave 10 years
off her sentence.
625
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,193
She won't go for it.
626
00:36:31,256 --> 00:36:34,066
She'll try anything
to stay in her daughter's life.
627
00:36:34,125 --> 00:36:38,938
You're banking on the hope
there's a gay person on that jury.
628
00:36:40,298 --> 00:36:42,642
I'm banking there's a parent.
629
00:36:50,742 --> 00:36:54,747
This isn't about gay or straight.
This isn't even about murder.
630
00:36:54,813 --> 00:36:56,815
There was no murder here.
631
00:36:56,882 --> 00:37:00,022
This is about a tragic accident...
632
00:37:00,085 --> 00:37:03,225
arising from a tragic situation...
633
00:37:03,288 --> 00:37:07,668
created by an unfeeling partner
and an unfair law.
634
00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:11,606
Most of all,
this is about a parent, a mother...
635
00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:14,735
whose child was taken from her.
636
00:37:14,799 --> 00:37:18,178
Renee Bishop didn't come to New York
to kill Lisa Winslow.
637
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,648
She came to talk to her,
to reason with her,
638
00:37:20,705 --> 00:37:22,651
to plead with her.
639
00:37:22,707 --> 00:37:26,052
She came to see her daughter,
their daughter
640
00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:29,718
But Lisa Winslow
didn't want to talk or listen.
641
00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:32,352
She was drunk and angry.
642
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:34,556
She attacked Renee Bishop.
643
00:37:34,619 --> 00:37:36,963
Renee Bishop did not act
except in defense...
644
00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:39,628
of herself and of her child.
645
00:37:39,691 --> 00:37:41,637
Make no mistake.
646
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:44,537
There was no crime.
647
00:37:44,596 --> 00:37:47,440
No murder on the balcony
that night.
648
00:37:47,499 --> 00:37:49,877
Only a tragedy
649
00:37:57,008 --> 00:38:00,012
Of course, Renee Bishop
is Sophie Winslow's mother...
650
00:38:00,078 --> 00:38:03,719
in every sense of the word
that matters,
651
00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:07,730
but so was Lisa Winslow.
652
00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:12,792
And what kind of parent kills
her child's other parent?
653
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,939
Mr. Hobart reminds you
of the bond...
654
00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:21,944
between Renee Bishop
and Sophie Winslow,
655
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,674
but he wants you
to forget the bond.
656
00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:26,909
Between Sophie and Lisa,
657
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:31,079
the woman who adopted her
and loved her...
658
00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:34,555
as much as Renee Bishop does.
659
00:38:34,612 --> 00:38:37,115
This case is not about
who's the better mother...
660
00:38:37,182 --> 00:38:39,253
or about a law.
661
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:43,288
which may well be antiquated
and unfair.
662
00:38:43,354 --> 00:38:47,029
It's not about
what Renee Bishop suffered,
663
00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:52,737
but about what Renee Bishop did.
664
00:38:54,265 --> 00:38:58,441
And what she did
was kill Lisa Winslow,
665
00:38:59,904 --> 00:39:03,579
and that law which she violated...
666
00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:07,646
is as sure and certain...
667
00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:10,318
as the evidence...
668
00:39:10,381 --> 00:39:12,383
is conclusive!
669
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:19,295
As much as you might
empathize with her plight,
670
00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:24,940
you must return a verdict of guilty
against Renee Bishop.
671
00:39:36,474 --> 00:39:39,148
As to the first count
of the indictment,
672
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,350
murder in the second degree,
how do you find?
673
00:39:42,413 --> 00:39:45,656
We find the defendant, Renee Bishop,
guilty as charged.
674
00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:48,425
[Gasping]
As to the second count,
675
00:39:48,486 --> 00:39:50,693
kidnapping
in the second degree?
676
00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:53,531
We find the defendant
guilty as charged.
677
00:39:53,591 --> 00:39:57,698
The jury is dismissed
with the thanks of the court.
Short date for sentence.
678
00:39:57,762 --> 00:39:59,708
[Gavel Raps]
679
00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:08,081
Come on, ma'am.
Let's go.
680
00:40:16,381 --> 00:40:20,386
You win some, you win some.
I'm comfortable with the outcome.
681
00:40:20,452 --> 00:40:23,899
Which would have been the same
if they'd been heterosexual.
682
00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:27,232
But would any of this have happened
if they'd been allowed to adopt
as a married couple?
683
00:40:27,292 --> 00:40:31,069
They knew the law in Florida.
If they didn't like it, they could have
moved to another state.
684
00:40:31,129 --> 00:40:33,632
I knew we weren't
on the same side of this.
685
00:40:33,698 --> 00:40:36,042
I say, let them marry.
686
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,445
Why shouldn't they be
as miserable as the rest of us?
687
00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:26,228
[Howling]
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