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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,134 --> 00:00:03,080 [Man Narrating] In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:03,136 --> 00:00:07,107 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups- 3 00:00:07,174 --> 00:00:09,051 the police, who investigate crime, 4 00:00:09,109 --> 00:00:11,487 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,545 --> 00:00:13,491 These are their stories. 6 00:00:25,092 --> 00:00:27,800 I thought you were buying the paper. 7 00:00:27,861 --> 00:00:30,364 Just checking the ponies. Yeah? 8 00:00:30,430 --> 00:00:34,776 How did Johnnie Walker make out in the fifth? Cut me some slack, Gretch. 9 00:00:34,835 --> 00:00:37,179 You know how much stress I'm under right now. 10 00:00:37,237 --> 00:00:40,241 It is 8:00 in the damn morning. I'll go to a meeting. 11 00:00:40,307 --> 00:00:43,584 Right. [Sighs ]Jeffrey. 12 00:00:43,644 --> 00:00:48,650 I really mean it this time, I swear. 13 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:50,661 Oh, my God. 14 00:00:56,356 --> 00:00:58,302 [ Officer] White female, late 30s. 15 00:00:58,358 --> 00:01:01,669 People who live in the garden apartment found her first thing this morning. 16 00:01:01,728 --> 00:01:05,107 Guy's half in the bag. The early bird catches the hangover. 17 00:01:05,165 --> 00:01:08,305 Looks like she took a header from one of the hotel balconies. 18 00:01:08,368 --> 00:01:11,713 Get the crime techs up there. Check out all the rooms with balconies facing this backyard 19 00:01:11,772 --> 00:01:13,809 Will do. Victim have any I.D. on her? 20 00:01:13,874 --> 00:01:16,445 No pockets. She was wearin' a skirt. All right. Thanks. 21 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:21,516 - Brody, what you got for us, man? - Quick drive-by, blunt trauma smorgasbord. 22 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:25,257 Broken pelvis, shattered lower extremities, lots of lacerations, 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,765 rib cage like a bag full of broken china. 24 00:01:27,821 --> 00:01:29,858 Jumpin' off a balcony will do that. 25 00:01:29,923 --> 00:01:32,233 If she jumped, she would have hit that lower roof. 26 00:01:32,292 --> 00:01:35,637 [Green] You saying she was pushed? I'll know more when I get her on the table. 27 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:38,870 But judging from the trajectory, I'd say, yeah, she had help. 28 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:40,878 Can you put a time on it? 29 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:45,440 Based on body temperature and lividity, I'd ballpark it somewhere between 10:00 and 11:00 last night. 30 00:01:45,505 --> 00:01:48,076 Detectives, this is Mr. Wrightsman, the manager of the hotel. 31 00:01:48,141 --> 00:01:51,554 How can I help you? What can you tell us about the upper floors, the ones with the balconies? 32 00:01:51,612 --> 00:01:55,788 Those are our executive suites. So much for the golden parachute. 33 00:02:45,232 --> 00:02:48,577 It's a nice view. I prefer a southern exposure. 34 00:02:48,635 --> 00:02:52,276 Hey, Reed. You got anything? Usable prints? I doubt it. 35 00:02:52,339 --> 00:02:55,115 But I did find this lying out here on the terrace. 36 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:59,715 Contact lens. Cutting-edge R.G.P. Rigid Gas Permeable. 37 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:03,455 - Could've popped out during a struggle. - Don't get your hopes up. It's extremely durable. 38 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:06,521 It could've been lying out here for days, weeks, months. 39 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:09,089 I know it's hopeless, but get it to the lab anyway. 40 00:03:09,156 --> 00:03:12,899 What a novel idea. I was gonna auction it off on eBay. You want another idea? 41 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:14,905 Detectives? 42 00:03:16,096 --> 00:03:20,340 Lisa Winslow checked in yesterday afternoon around 4:00. 43 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,574 Reception gave her one room key. She certainly didn't mess up the room. 44 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:26,550 Concierge said she just used it to freshen up before her speech... 45 00:03:26,606 --> 00:03:29,109 at the Hoop-la International Convention last night. 46 00:03:29,176 --> 00:03:33,181 - Hoop-la? - Licensees for various pro basketball products and spin-offs. 47 00:03:33,246 --> 00:03:37,194 We have some of the top players here. Julius West, Jimmy Neal. 48 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:40,424 - What'd she talk about? - I gather she was some kind of motivational speaker. 49 00:03:40,487 --> 00:03:42,990 Fire up the reps to sell more sneakers. That sort of thing. 50 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:45,400 Five-hundred-dollar-a-day dressing room? 51 00:03:45,459 --> 00:03:50,966 I guess she could afford it, unless this purse is some kind of Canal Street knockoff. 52 00:03:51,031 --> 00:03:55,036 Well, she's our high diver, all right. “Lisa Winslow." 53 00:03:55,102 --> 00:03:58,106 No wonder she could afford to use the place just to powder her nose. 54 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:01,084 She's a local. Blackstone Avenue, the Bronx. 55 00:04:01,141 --> 00:04:04,020 It's Riverdale. Trust me, this purse is real. 56 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:08,082 I'm sorry. Miss Winslow is not here. I don't know where. 57 00:04:08,148 --> 00:04:10,287 [Briscoe] Who are you, ma'am? I'm the nanny. 58 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:12,853 Uh, if we could just come in? 59 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:21,367 We need to talk to somebody about Miss Winslow. 60 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:24,034 Do you know if there's any family we can call? 61 00:04:24,097 --> 00:04:28,910 Miss Lisa's sister is here. Why don't you go get her? Thanks. 62 00:04:28,969 --> 00:04:30,971 You can wait in here. 63 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:35,613 I hate it when they have kids. You kidding? It's the worst. 64 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:41,316 - Can I help you? - Uh, this is Detective Green. I'm Detective Briscoe. 65 00:04:41,381 --> 00:04:43,657 Renee Bishop. ls there a problem? 66 00:04:43,717 --> 00:04:46,926 You're Lisa Winslow's sister? What is it? What's wrong? 67 00:04:46,987 --> 00:04:49,797 I'm afraid that we have some bad news. 68 00:04:49,856 --> 00:04:51,927 About Lisa? 69 00:04:51,992 --> 00:04:56,236 She was found dead early this morning at the Park Terrace Hotel. 70 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:59,470 Oh, my God! She fell from a balcony 71 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:02,537 Sophie. Sophie? 72 00:05:02,602 --> 00:05:05,344 My niece, Lisa's daughter. What am I going to tell her? 73 00:05:05,405 --> 00:05:07,749 Is her father around? 74 00:05:07,808 --> 00:05:09,913 Lisa's a single parent. 75 00:05:09,976 --> 00:05:12,786 What's his name? Where can we get in touch with him? 76 00:05:12,846 --> 00:05:16,259 There's no one to get in touch with. Sophie was adopted. 77 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:20,321 Mommy? Oh, Mommy's not home yet. I'll be there in a minute. 78 00:05:20,387 --> 00:05:23,391 I can't find my princess doll. 79 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:27,801 I'm going to be with you in one minute, all right? 80 00:05:27,861 --> 00:05:30,102 Lorena, will you help her look for her doll, please? 81 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:32,575 Of course. Come, mi hija. 82 00:05:32,632 --> 00:05:36,944 [Sighs, Sobbing] 83 00:05:37,003 --> 00:05:40,610 When you're up to it, we're gonna need you to come down and identify her. 84 00:05:40,674 --> 00:05:43,484 Of course I will. We also need to know where your sister worked. 85 00:05:43,543 --> 00:05:47,218 She owned her own business. 86 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,693 I think I have her card in my purse. 87 00:05:50,750 --> 00:05:52,752 I'll get it. 88 00:05:55,522 --> 00:05:59,299 Lisa was one of the top motivational speakers in the country. 89 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:04,365 Her competitive background in athletics dovetailed nicely with contemporary corporate culture. 90 00:06:04,431 --> 00:06:07,935 "1996 Olympic Swim Team." 91 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:11,676 “First place, Big Island Iron Woman Triathlon." 92 00:06:11,738 --> 00:06:14,116 She won three triathlons. 93 00:06:14,174 --> 00:06:17,917 Do you know how hard that is? What an accomplishment? 94 00:06:17,978 --> 00:06:21,721 My idea of a triathlon was junior high punt, pass and kick. 95 00:06:21,781 --> 00:06:23,727 So she did well. Oh, very well 96 00:06:23,783 --> 00:06:27,287 Business was booming. She was in great demand. [Briscoe] What about her personal life? 97 00:06:27,354 --> 00:06:29,561 Lisa was much too busy to have a personal life. 98 00:06:29,623 --> 00:06:32,399 No boyfriends, ex-boyfriends, husbands? 99 00:06:32,459 --> 00:06:34,336 She was gay. 100 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:37,398 Oh, any girlfriends, ex-girlfriends? 101 00:06:37,464 --> 00:06:39,535 She never mentioned anyone to me. 102 00:06:39,599 --> 00:06:42,273 What can you tell us about this speaking engagement she had last night? 103 00:06:42,335 --> 00:06:45,339 She rocked the house. They absolutely ate it up. 104 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:47,612 Finished the Q&A a little after 9:00. 105 00:06:47,674 --> 00:06:51,087 What'd she do after that? There was a reception. 106 00:06:51,144 --> 00:06:54,421 When I left, she was heading to the bar with a couple of players. 107 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:57,462 - Schmoozing was Lisa's forte. - Which players was she schmoozing with? 108 00:06:57,517 --> 00:06:59,861 I'm sorry. I'm not in to basketball. 109 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,093 They were tall, African American. 110 00:07:04,257 --> 00:07:08,262 She was in here last night. Had a few Cosmos. Actually, more than a few. 111 00:07:08,328 --> 00:07:11,741 Who was she drinking with? A couple of black guys, looked like basketball players. 112 00:07:11,798 --> 00:07:14,642 We got this Hoop-la-la Convention here all week. 113 00:07:14,701 --> 00:07:17,648 So they had a couple of drinks-- A few laughs, then paid the tab and left. 114 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:20,810 - Together? - Yeah, I guess. Around 10:00. 115 00:07:20,874 --> 00:07:24,981 How'd they pay the tab? One of the guys charged it to his room. 116 00:07:25,045 --> 00:07:29,824 Yeah, we tossed back a couple with her. Honey said she was writing some sort of motivational book for athletes. 117 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:33,387 She wanted a few quotes, like what makes a winner, stuff like that. 118 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:35,626 Uh, why? We'll ask the questions. 119 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:38,693 After the bar, what'd you do? I went upstairs, hit the sack. 120 00:07:38,758 --> 00:07:40,704 Alone? Yeah. 121 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,573 What about you? Me, I caught a ride downtown to this new hip-hop spot, TR Caesars. 122 00:07:45,632 --> 00:07:48,476 How long were you there? Uh, maybe till, like, 3:00 in the morning. 123 00:07:48,535 --> 00:07:51,277 Did you happen to get a taxi receipt? A taxi? 124 00:07:51,338 --> 00:07:54,012 Call the limo company and they'll straighten you out. All right. We will 125 00:07:54,074 --> 00:07:57,578 So, uh, am I off the hook? I mean, I gotta split. 126 00:07:57,644 --> 00:08:00,682 Don't tell me I can't leave town. I got a big game in K.C. tonight. 127 00:08:00,747 --> 00:08:02,749 You can go for now. 128 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,319 See you in Philly, bro. No doubt. 129 00:08:05,385 --> 00:08:08,559 So you're on your way to your room. Did you ride the elevator with Ms. Winslow? 130 00:08:08,621 --> 00:08:11,693 Yeah. She got off at her floor, I went on up to mine. 131 00:08:11,758 --> 00:08:15,205 So as far as we know, you were the last person to see her alive. 132 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:21,135 This is messed up. I told you. I went to my room, man. My wheels are here. 133 00:08:21,201 --> 00:08:23,147 That's gonna have to wait. 134 00:08:23,203 --> 00:08:27,015 You were in the elevator with her. Y'all got this connection going. You end up in her room? 135 00:08:27,073 --> 00:08:29,644 No. I told you. I did not go to the lady's room. 136 00:08:29,709 --> 00:08:34,055 Only she's not interested in what you have to offer, and you can't figure out why. 137 00:08:34,114 --> 00:08:37,288 This is so wrong. “No” is not a word you're used to hearing, is it, Shawn? 138 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:40,024 [Sighs] 139 00:08:40,086 --> 00:08:43,397 Look, I hooked up with a shortie, okay? A shortie? 140 00:08:43,456 --> 00:08:47,802 A female. She was hangin' in the lobby, sweatin' me all night. 141 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:50,808 Finally gave her my room number, told her to holler at me around 10:00. 142 00:08:50,864 --> 00:08:54,402 You got a name for this shortie? Alicia. I think. 143 00:08:54,467 --> 00:08:57,539 So, Alicia. You didn't happen to notice her last name, did you? No, I didn't. 144 00:08:57,604 --> 00:09:01,017 It was just a one-hitter quitter. She was sportin' team color. 145 00:09:01,074 --> 00:09:03,020 Like a varsity jacket? Yeah. 146 00:09:03,076 --> 00:09:06,717 What school? Marlboro. Yeah, Marlboro. 147 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:09,556 My mom's, like, in the Dark Ages. 148 00:09:09,616 --> 00:09:12,460 If she finds out about this, she'll, like, totally freak. 149 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:16,695 Why don't you tell us what happened, and we'll try to make sure that she don't totally freak. 150 00:09:16,756 --> 00:09:19,259 Shawn's Web site said he'd be in New York. 151 00:09:19,325 --> 00:09:23,102 I thought it'd be cool to meet him. He's always been my favorite player. 152 00:09:23,163 --> 00:09:25,268 He's so cute. 153 00:09:25,331 --> 00:09:28,904 So you went up to his room? He's famous. 154 00:09:28,968 --> 00:09:31,380 I've never been with a famous person before. 155 00:09:31,438 --> 00:09:34,282 So how long were you two kickin' it? 156 00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:38,516 I hooked up with him about 10:00, went home about 2:00. 157 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:40,922 He even paid for my cab fare home. 158 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:43,256 Gee, a real gentleman, huh? 159 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:45,660 All right. Thanks. 160 00:09:45,719 --> 00:09:47,699 I'm glad I don't have kids. 161 00:09:47,754 --> 00:09:50,758 It's a mixed bag. They're not all like Alicia. Some of them are worse. 162 00:09:50,824 --> 00:09:53,498 Ed. These came in while you were out. Thanks, man. 163 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:59,106 M.E. says the D.N.A. on the contact wasn't Lisa Winslow. 164 00:09:59,165 --> 00:10:02,339 Could be it belonged to the killer after all. 165 00:10:02,402 --> 00:10:07,078 Also found circumferential bruises on her upper arms, contusion on her left hip. 166 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,053 That's consistent with being grabbed and pushed off that balcony. 167 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:15,116 I have a problem. Join the club. Shawn Beatty's alibi just got corroborated. 168 00:10:15,181 --> 00:10:18,355 Lisa Winslow's parents are on their way here from New Hope. 169 00:10:18,418 --> 00:10:21,592 They want to know why they had to find out about their daughter's death... 170 00:10:21,654 --> 00:10:23,634 from a news item on the radio. 171 00:10:23,690 --> 00:10:26,398 We told the sister. She didn't tell the family? 172 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:29,633 According to the parents, Lisa Winslow doesn't have a sister. What? 173 00:10:29,696 --> 00:10:31,642 Then who was the woman we met at Winslow's house? 174 00:10:31,698 --> 00:10:34,042 We sent a patrol car by to have a word with her. 175 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:37,104 Whoever she is, she's gone, and she took the girl with her. 176 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:39,116 Damn. 177 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:44,178 [Briscoe] So you have no idea who this woman might be? 178 00:10:44,244 --> 00:10:46,884 I'm afraid you're asking the wrong people. 179 00:10:46,946 --> 00:10:49,790 Lisa kept us out of her private life. 180 00:10:49,849 --> 00:10:52,489 Mr. and Mrs. Winslow, we need to find your granddaughter now. 181 00:10:52,552 --> 00:10:56,159 She's really not our granddaughter. We've never even met her. 182 00:10:56,222 --> 00:10:58,168 She is precious. 183 00:10:58,224 --> 00:11:01,398 We got a lot of people working on this. There's a statewide Amber Alert. 184 00:11:01,461 --> 00:11:03,407 If you know anything that can help, great. 185 00:11:03,463 --> 00:11:07,912 If not, we're wasting valuable time when we should be out looking for her. 186 00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:12,013 Um... 187 00:11:12,071 --> 00:11:14,415 about eight years ago, 188 00:11:14,474 --> 00:11:17,478 Lisa told us she'd met a woman in Florida, 189 00:11:17,544 --> 00:11:20,491 and they were gonna adopt a child down there. 190 00:11:20,547 --> 00:11:22,720 Said they were gonna get married. 191 00:11:22,782 --> 00:11:25,729 You know, shack up together. 192 00:11:25,785 --> 00:11:29,824 Said they were in love. Broke her mother's heart. 193 00:11:29,889 --> 00:11:32,927 After that we didn't talk very much. 194 00:11:32,992 --> 00:11:35,973 - Maybe a card at Christmas. - They were living in Florida? 195 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:40,774 After they split up, Lisa moved to New York. That was two years ago. 196 00:11:40,833 --> 00:11:44,110 Do you know if she had any friends in New York we could talk to? 197 00:11:44,170 --> 00:11:46,116 Anybody she might have confided in? 198 00:11:46,172 --> 00:11:49,745 Who was that Susan girl at NYU, Paul? 199 00:11:49,809 --> 00:11:53,256 Um, Susan Roberts, was it? 200 00:11:53,313 --> 00:11:56,317 I think they kept in touch over the years. 201 00:11:59,018 --> 00:12:02,022 Lisa wasn't the type to pour out her heart over cocktails. 202 00:12:02,088 --> 00:12:05,069 Do you know if she was seeing somebody? 203 00:12:05,124 --> 00:12:08,537 As far as I know, uh, a few dates here and there. No one special. 204 00:12:08,595 --> 00:12:10,666 What about past relationships? 205 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:14,075 She had an ex in Florida. Renee something. I never met her. 206 00:12:14,133 --> 00:12:17,979 [Briscoe] I think we have. They were living in Miami. That's where they adopted Sophie. 207 00:12:18,037 --> 00:12:20,313 Do you have any idea why they broke up? 208 00:12:20,373 --> 00:12:22,319 Lisa said they'd just grown apart. 209 00:12:22,375 --> 00:12:25,447 Been together something like seven years, didn't have anything in common anymore. 210 00:12:25,511 --> 00:12:29,186 Except for Sophie. Yeah, except Sophie. 211 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:34,255 What I understand, Renee was devastated by the split, and so was Sophie. 212 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,995 I told Lisa I thought she was wrong to separate them. Renee was Sophie's mother too. 213 00:12:38,057 --> 00:12:40,037 What did Lisa do? 214 00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:42,266 Moved to New York, got a lawyer. 215 00:12:42,328 --> 00:12:45,741 Do you know how we can find this lawyer? Yeah, I used her for my divorce. 216 00:12:45,798 --> 00:12:48,438 Nancy Shapiro. 217 00:12:48,501 --> 00:12:51,345 Madison and 53rd. 218 00:12:51,404 --> 00:12:53,350 Where is Sophie, by the way? 219 00:12:53,406 --> 00:12:56,546 Who's taking care of her? We're looking for her. 220 00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:59,283 Renee has her? 221 00:12:59,345 --> 00:13:02,019 Renee Bishop, still in Miami, far as I know. 222 00:13:02,081 --> 00:13:05,153 Here's her contact info. I'm gonna call the squad, get 'em on it. 223 00:13:05,218 --> 00:13:08,597 Why don't you tell me about the custody battle? There was none. 224 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:11,898 Custody battles occur when both parties have legal custodial rights, 225 00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:14,097 which was not the case here. 226 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,903 It's our understanding that these two women raised the child together. 227 00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:19,966 Heather Has Two Mommies. 228 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:23,981 Florida law prohibits homosexuals from adopting. Lisa filed as a single woman. 229 00:13:24,037 --> 00:13:27,575 Which gave her legal custody. Sole legal custody. 230 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,813 So why hire you? 231 00:13:29,876 --> 00:13:33,551 To protect her interests. Lisa didn't want Renee Bishop in Sophie's life. 232 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:35,559 Sophie was adjusting nicely, 233 00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:39,563 and any further contact would have prolonged the agony of the divorce. 234 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:42,964 Renee Bishop took a whole lot of legal avenues to get some kind of visitation, 235 00:13:43,022 --> 00:13:45,525 but under Florida law, she didn't have a leg to stand on. 236 00:13:45,591 --> 00:13:48,765 Woman raises a kid for five years, then gets cut out of her life. 237 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:50,774 Sounds like motive to me. 238 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:54,835 It makes me a little less worried about the girl. At least we know her other mother isn't gonna harm her. 239 00:13:54,901 --> 00:13:57,905 I just got off the phone with Bishop's roommate in Miami. 240 00:13:57,971 --> 00:14:01,077 According to him, she left for New York City last week. 241 00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:03,484 Did he say where she was staying? No. 242 00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:05,921 What about her cell phone? Trace her through that? 243 00:14:05,979 --> 00:14:09,483 Doesn't have one, but I did get the LUDS from her home phone in Miami. 244 00:14:09,549 --> 00:14:14,589 Renee Bishop made over 50 calls to Lisa Winslow in the last six months. 245 00:14:14,654 --> 00:14:17,498 That's a lot of calls to your ex. Not if you're fighting over a kid. 246 00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:20,470 Lieutenant? Yeah,. Thanks. 247 00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:25,202 Renee Bishop's credit card charges. 248 00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:28,939 She's been staying at the Melrose Hotel all week. 249 00:14:31,671 --> 00:14:34,880 Sure. I remember this little girl. Cute as a button. Here with her mom. 250 00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:38,616 Renee Bishop. Bishop? Just a minute. 251 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:43,626 Here she is. Renee Bishop. They checked out an hour ago. 252 00:14:43,683 --> 00:14:47,221 Damn. We're gonna need a record of her phone calls. 253 00:14:47,286 --> 00:14:49,288 I'll print one out. 254 00:14:50,289 --> 00:14:53,793 John, come here a minute. Doorman might know which way they went. 255 00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:58,203 N.Y.P.D. They're looking for this kid and her mom. 256 00:14:58,264 --> 00:15:02,303 Yeah, I remember them. I put 'em on a hotel shuttle to Port Authority. 257 00:15:02,368 --> 00:15:05,611 Thanks. Great. By now they're on a bus to God knows where. 258 00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:09,141 518. I know that area code. It's upstate someplace, right? 259 00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:13,520 There were a couple of 518 calls on her Florida LUDS. 260 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:15,581 Same number. Bloomington, New York. 261 00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:19,221 That's not that far. That's, like, two hours on the thruway, near Kingston. 262 00:15:19,285 --> 00:15:22,698 Call the Port Authority, the phone company and the state police. 263 00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:25,326 I'll drive. 264 00:15:25,391 --> 00:15:27,735 [Police Radio: Woman Speaking, indistinct] 265 00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:32,776 Sir? 266 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,410 Have you seen this little girl on the bus? 267 00:15:36,469 --> 00:15:38,710 They got off last stop, Rosendale. 268 00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:41,115 They're not here, Ed. I know. Let's go. 269 00:15:41,174 --> 00:15:45,020 Detective? They were sitting behind me. The little girl said she was hungry. 270 00:15:45,078 --> 00:15:48,082 The mother said they would get something to eat after they got off the bus. 271 00:15:48,147 --> 00:15:50,093 Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate that. 272 00:15:50,149 --> 00:15:52,186 There's a pizza joint behind the depot. We're all over it. 273 00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:54,197 Thank you. 274 00:15:56,823 --> 00:15:59,565 [Whispering] 275 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:03,004 Renee Bishop? 276 00:16:03,062 --> 00:16:06,475 Please. Not here. Not in front of my little girl. Come on, ma'am. 277 00:16:06,532 --> 00:16:09,274 Let's make this easy on everybody Grandma, what's happening? 278 00:16:09,335 --> 00:16:11,281 Don't worry, baby. It's okay honey 279 00:16:11,337 --> 00:16:13,749 Everything's going to be okay. [Green] You can come too, sweetie. 280 00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:15,752 No! 281 00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:18,652 - Leave her here with me. I'll take her home. - Sorry, ma'am. We can't do that. 282 00:16:18,711 --> 00:16:20,554 I'm her grandmother! Ma'am, I'm sorry. 283 00:16:20,613 --> 00:16:23,822 When we get to the city, Social Services will take very good care of Sophie. 284 00:16:23,883 --> 00:16:26,796 Will I be able to see her? Sorry ma'am. That's not up to us. 285 00:16:26,853 --> 00:16:29,857 We're gonna take a little ride. Mommy's coming too. What about Grandma? 286 00:16:29,922 --> 00:16:31,924 Grandma's gonna have to stay here for now. 287 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:35,598 You go along with those men. I'll see you later, baby. Bye, Grandma. 288 00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:38,369 Bye, baby. Bye, Mom. 289 00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:41,241 Bye. 290 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:43,246 Bye, Grandma. 291 00:16:49,275 --> 00:16:52,279 Docket 2206, People v. Renee Bishop. 292 00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:54,689 Charge is one count kidnapping in the second degree. 293 00:16:54,747 --> 00:16:59,628 Mr. Hobart, can we get a plea before Valentine's Day is history? 294 00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:02,495 Not guilty. People on bail? 295 00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:06,503 The People seek remand. The defendant was fleeing with the minor victim of the kidnapping. 296 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:09,199 Ms. Bishop was taking her daughter for a family visit. 297 00:17:09,262 --> 00:17:12,209 The defendant bears no legal or familial relationship to this child. 298 00:17:12,265 --> 00:17:14,609 The People are being disingenuous. 299 00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:18,376 Wouldn't be the first time, counselor. Defendant is remanded. [Gavel Raps] 300 00:17:20,006 --> 00:17:23,510 Mr. McCoy, opposing bail? Was that really necessary? 301 00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:26,079 Your client is charged with kidnapping, 302 00:17:26,145 --> 00:17:29,149 implicated in Lisa Winslow's homicide. 303 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,923 Do you expect us to offer her a cup of tea? 304 00:17:31,984 --> 00:17:35,488 I was taking my daughter to see her grandparents. Renee, please. 305 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:39,594 Mr. McCoy, your so-called kidnap is a custodial disagreement. 306 00:17:39,659 --> 00:17:42,105 Parents run off with their kids every day in divorce cases. 307 00:17:42,161 --> 00:17:46,473 There's no legally recognized relation between your client and Sophie Winslow. 308 00:17:46,532 --> 00:17:50,207 - She's my child. - Not under Florida or New York statute. 309 00:17:50,269 --> 00:17:54,046 Okay, what do you say we parse the finerpoints of family law another day? 310 00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:57,087 We all know you would've brought homicide charges if you had a case. 311 00:17:57,143 --> 00:17:59,054 Since you didn't, you don't. Not yet. 312 00:17:59,111 --> 00:18:03,218 So what are you saying? You're leveraging a trumped-up kidnap charge to investigate a murder? 313 00:18:03,282 --> 00:18:05,660 For better or worse, Florida law gives us that authority. 314 00:18:05,718 --> 00:18:09,996 The law? The law wasn't there when I was on the phone with Sophie every day, 315 00:18:10,056 --> 00:18:12,559 and she was crying, telling me how much she missed me. 316 00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:16,334 My client was going to be in New York to visit her parents. 317 00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:20,935 She spoke to Ms. Winslow a couple of weeks ago to see if something couldn't be worked out, for Sophie's sake. 318 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,243 Ms. Winslow agreed my client could see Sophie. 319 00:18:24,303 --> 00:18:27,147 Sophie didn't have school that day, 320 00:18:27,206 --> 00:18:29,982 so we decided to have lunch at their house. 321 00:18:30,042 --> 00:18:33,353 When Ms. Bishop got to the house that morning, per agreement, she had no idea what had happened. 322 00:18:33,412 --> 00:18:37,189 But after she talked to the police, she grabbed Sophie and ran off. 323 00:18:37,249 --> 00:18:39,286 An understandable panic response. 324 00:18:39,352 --> 00:18:42,663 When the police told her what had happened to Lisa, she was terrified she'd never get to see Sophie again. 325 00:18:42,722 --> 00:18:45,726 You can imagine, Mr. McCoy, how I felt. 326 00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:48,772 I can also imagine that you were so angry at Lisa Winslow. 327 00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:51,308 for taking Sophie away from you... 328 00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:55,710 that you threw her off a balcony in a rage. 329 00:18:55,768 --> 00:18:59,875 Renee Bishop just happens to be in town the day Lisa Winslow's murdered? 330 00:18:59,939 --> 00:19:01,885 Never been a big fan of coincidence. 331 00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,285 And given Renee Bishop's account of the facts, 332 00:19:04,343 --> 00:19:06,983 I don't even know if a jury will see this as a kidnapping. 333 00:19:07,046 --> 00:19:10,516 And I don't care, given the fact that Ms. Bishop is probably also a murderer... 334 00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:12,529 and the kidnap charge lets us hold her. 335 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:16,692 Besides, Serena, the Florida statute is not some technicality. 336 00:19:16,756 --> 00:19:19,396 It's the law. Florida's in the minority, sir. 337 00:19:19,458 --> 00:19:24,134 - Is it? - Most states permit some form of gay adoption, including New York. 338 00:19:24,196 --> 00:19:26,870 They don't specifically prohibit it, you mean. 339 00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:29,413 Pusillanimous “don't ask, don't tell" policies. 340 00:19:29,468 --> 00:19:32,415 Hardly a ringing endorsement of the underlying question, 341 00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:35,315 which makes a lot of folks queasy. 342 00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:39,845 Now, tell me, how are we gonna go about making out a homicide case against this Bishop woman? 343 00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:43,155 Everything about Lisa Winslow screams type-A-plus personality. 344 00:19:43,215 --> 00:19:45,161 Olympic athlete, Phi Beta at Brown. 345 00:19:45,217 --> 00:19:48,096 Well, New York's full of ambitious women. What are you thinking? 346 00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:52,034 Renee Bishop said that she arranged to meet Lisa and Sophie at their home. 347 00:19:52,091 --> 00:19:54,571 You think she's lying? 348 00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:57,301 I think that Lisa Winslow would sooner cut off her little finger... 349 00:19:57,363 --> 00:20:01,709 than take time out of her busy schedule in the middle of a business day. 350 00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:05,271 The 25th? Oh, you mean the day after. 351 00:20:05,337 --> 00:20:08,978 All I see here are back-to-back-to-back meetings. 352 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:11,885 No mention of going home for lunch? 353 00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:16,188 At 11:45, she was going to pitch her services to the GenTech Corporation. 354 00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:18,524 Is there any possibility she canceled? 355 00:20:18,584 --> 00:20:20,928 Blow off a potential Fortune 500 account? 356 00:20:20,986 --> 00:20:23,728 Do you have any idea how long it took her to get that contact? 357 00:20:23,789 --> 00:20:26,861 I'm gonna need the number for GenTech. 358 00:20:28,327 --> 00:20:31,934 The C.E.O. of GenTech told me that Lisa Winslow never canceled her appointment 359 00:20:31,997 --> 00:20:35,342 She even confirmed it the day before. Strike one on Bishop. 360 00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:38,974 Lisa never made plans with Renee for lunch or for anything else. 361 00:20:39,038 --> 00:20:41,882 Tell Jack, but you better count to 10 first. 362 00:20:44,643 --> 00:20:47,715 I've already told you, Mrs. Bishop. I can't discuss the case with you. 363 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:52,126 I'm terrified of losing my daughter. Please don't take my granddaughter too. 364 00:20:52,184 --> 00:20:56,223 Ultimately, it's not up to me. Whatever's deemed best for the child. 365 00:20:56,288 --> 00:21:00,896 What's best for Sophie is to be with her mother, or us. 366 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,464 My husband and I, we're her family, Mr. McCoy. 367 00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:07,238 If Renee has to go to jail, we'd adopt her. 368 00:21:07,299 --> 00:21:10,872 We love her. It took a while with Frank. He's old-fashioned. 369 00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:12,938 But when he saw those blue eyes-- 370 00:21:13,005 --> 00:21:15,246 Mrs. Bishop. 371 00:21:15,307 --> 00:21:19,255 You can't send her to the Winslows, Mr. McCoy 372 00:21:19,311 --> 00:21:21,313 They've never even seen Sophie. 373 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:25,123 They've never sent her so much as a birthday card. 374 00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:29,826 And now she's with Social Services, and they won't let me see her. 375 00:21:33,058 --> 00:21:35,004 I can't make any promises. 376 00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:40,306 Anything you can do for us, Mr. McCoy, please. 377 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:49,912 All of the calls originated from Renee's phone in Florida. 378 00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:53,047 There wasn't one returned phone call from Lisa Winslow. 379 00:21:53,112 --> 00:21:55,786 She's harassing her. But look at the time frame, Jack. 380 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:59,159 All of the calls were between 3:00 and 5:00 p.m. 381 00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:02,222 After school, but before the end of the work day. 382 00:22:02,288 --> 00:22:05,667 Renee talked to Sophie, never to Lisa. 383 00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:08,171 The calls stopped two months ago. 384 00:22:08,227 --> 00:22:12,835 Lisa finds out that Renee's talking to Sophie, puts an end to it and cuts off all contact between them. 385 00:22:12,898 --> 00:22:15,401 And that pushes Renee over the edge. 386 00:22:15,468 --> 00:22:17,914 She comes to New York and returns the favor, literally. 387 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:21,042 If you can confirm that, we're looking at a homicide charge. 388 00:22:21,106 --> 00:22:24,280 I'll talk to the nanny. Go straight to the source. 389 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,289 Sophie. 390 00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:31,250 [Southerlyn] Where'd you get your bunny? 391 00:22:31,317 --> 00:22:33,797 Mommy Renee gave it to me. 392 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,026 She's a cutie-pie. 393 00:22:37,389 --> 00:22:41,269 Did you and Mommy Renee ever talk after you and Mommy Lisa moved to New York? 394 00:22:41,327 --> 00:22:44,570 I'm not supposed to say. 395 00:22:46,298 --> 00:22:50,747 I have a secret too. You want to hear it? Yeah. 396 00:22:50,803 --> 00:22:53,647 When I was seven, 397 00:22:53,706 --> 00:22:56,448 I put soap on my little brother's toothbrush. 398 00:22:56,509 --> 00:22:58,614 Gross! 399 00:22:58,677 --> 00:23:01,021 Did you get a time-out? 400 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,526 I sure did. Me too. 401 00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:07,394 When Mommy Lisa found out that you were talking to Mommy Renee? 402 00:23:08,687 --> 00:23:10,633 She got mad. 403 00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:13,795 What did Mommy Renee say, honey? 404 00:23:13,859 --> 00:23:17,534 She said not to tell anyone. 405 00:23:17,596 --> 00:23:20,236 You're not going to tell, right? 406 00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:23,576 No, darling, I won't tell. 407 00:23:23,636 --> 00:23:26,742 Grandma? 408 00:23:26,805 --> 00:23:28,751 Grandma! Grandma! 409 00:23:28,807 --> 00:23:30,809 Hey, baby! [Sniffles] 410 00:23:32,845 --> 00:23:35,257 Tell Mr. McCoy-- 411 00:23:35,314 --> 00:23:38,090 Tell him thank you. 412 00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:40,426 Grandma? 413 00:23:40,486 --> 00:23:43,490 Can you take me home now? 414 00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:49,162 I'd rather observe an autopsy than go through that again. 415 00:23:49,228 --> 00:23:53,233 And Sophie Winslow kept the calls secret from her mother? [Phone Ringing] 416 00:23:53,299 --> 00:23:56,872 I have assistants in this office that don't show that kind of self-restraint. 417 00:23:56,936 --> 00:24:00,611 Mr. Branch's office. Your theory's right, Jack, it's murder two. 418 00:24:00,673 --> 00:24:03,813 Felony homicide. Renee Bishop intentionally killed Lisa Winslow... 419 00:24:03,876 --> 00:24:06,152 in furtherance of the kidnapping. 420 00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,886 The theory's beginning to look a lot more like fact. 421 00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:12,122 M.E. just confirmed that Renee Bishop's D.N.A. was on the contact lens. 422 00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:15,597 She was there. Game, set, match. 423 00:24:15,654 --> 00:24:18,225 Before you go jumpin' the net, we've got the child to consider. 424 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:23,137 See if Mr. Hobart grasps the wisdom of a plea under the present circumstances. 425 00:24:26,432 --> 00:24:28,605 The D.N.A. evidence is incontrovertible. 426 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:30,613 Not a word. 427 00:24:30,669 --> 00:24:33,775 We'll be amending the indictment to include murder in the second degree. 428 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,342 That's absurd. It was self-defense. Ms. Winslow was drunk. 429 00:24:36,408 --> 00:24:38,513 She attacked my client. They struggled. 430 00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:41,183 Save it, Mr. Hobart. The facts say otherwise. 431 00:24:41,246 --> 00:24:44,227 She pleads to the top count, we won't oppose the minimum sentence. 432 00:24:44,283 --> 00:24:46,923 How long is that? 433 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:51,560 Sophie will be in college before you're eligible for parole. 434 00:24:51,624 --> 00:24:55,731 I can't do that. Who'll take care of her? The Winslows? 435 00:24:55,794 --> 00:24:59,139 They don't even want her. Some foster home? 436 00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:01,838 She won't grow up without me. 437 00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:06,145 Win, lose or draw, Ms. Bishop, you'll never have custodial rights. 438 00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:09,516 Not necessarily. We've retained local counsel in Florida. 439 00:25:09,575 --> 00:25:12,078 He filed suit this morning on Ms. Bishop's behalf, 440 00:25:12,144 --> 00:25:15,591 challenging the constitutionality of the Florida law barring gays from adopting. 441 00:25:15,648 --> 00:25:19,858 The Florida statute has nothing to do with the charges against your client. 442 00:25:19,918 --> 00:25:23,365 It has everything to do with them. If Ms. Bishop is acquitted and if we prevail in Florida-- 443 00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:27,871 You win the criminal case and overturn the Florida statute. Ms. Bishop can sue for custody of Sophie. 444 00:25:27,926 --> 00:25:31,396 [Hobart] At least she has a chance. If she takes a plea, she's a convicted felon, an unfit parent. 445 00:25:31,463 --> 00:25:35,240 Any decision in Florida is years away. Things are moving fast. 446 00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:39,044 Look at the Massachusetts case on gay marriage. It's only a matter of time. 447 00:25:39,104 --> 00:25:43,052 You're being given dangerous advice, Ms. Bishop. 448 00:25:43,108 --> 00:25:47,056 You'll lose both cases. You'll lose everything. Take the plea. 449 00:25:47,112 --> 00:25:49,058 No. 450 00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:53,088 I can't. 451 00:25:53,152 --> 00:25:55,154 I have no choice. 452 00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:04,474 Renee Bishop doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hades of winning in the Florida courts. 453 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:09,206 The Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that the law against gay marriage is unconstitutional. 454 00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:13,045 That's Massachusetts. We're talkin' about Florida-- why we have states. 455 00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:16,211 Different states will draw the line at different places on this issue. 456 00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:20,280 Just where we were going with abortion before Roe v. Wade. 457 00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:24,589 Old states' rights proponent like you, I'm surprised you oppose gay marriage. 458 00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:27,631 But I don't. Don't necessarily approve of it either. 459 00:26:27,686 --> 00:26:30,462 As far as I'm concerned, it's none of my business, or the federal government's. 460 00:26:30,522 --> 00:26:33,059 I can't believe we're on the same side of this. 461 00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:36,996 I may have to reconsider my position. [Knocking] 462 00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:46,640 Hobart's moving to dismiss the kidnapping charge against Renee Bishop. 463 00:26:48,807 --> 00:26:52,186 “The Florida law barring gay adoption being unconstitutional, 464 00:26:52,244 --> 00:26:56,886 “there is a parent-child relationship between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow. 465 00:26:56,949 --> 00:26:59,862 Therefore, the New York kidnap charge is invalid." 466 00:26:59,918 --> 00:27:01,864 A mother can't kidnap her own child. 467 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,595 Kidnap charge goes, proof of Renee's intent to kill goes with it. 468 00:27:05,657 --> 00:27:07,603 The murder count is undermined. 469 00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:10,868 We still have motive. One spouse kills another over a child. 470 00:27:10,929 --> 00:27:12,875 It happens every day 471 00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:15,070 On the other hand, if Hobart wins the motion-- 472 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:17,512 He argues they just had a heated discussion that got out of hand. 473 00:27:17,569 --> 00:27:21,449 It becomes “she said she said ” The odds of a conviction drop to 50-50. 474 00:27:21,507 --> 00:27:25,512 Good luck to him sailing that past Judge Bradley. 475 00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:33,123 Judge, the probability that the defendant will prevail in Florida is infinitesimal 476 00:27:33,185 --> 00:27:38,100 New York law controls here. Ms. Bishop had no authority to take the child. 477 00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:41,570 Ethnically, morally, Renee Bishop had every right to take Sophie. 478 00:27:41,627 --> 00:27:46,406 The fact that she is a gay woman should not have been dispositive of her rights in Florida or New York. 479 00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:49,605 I don't give a damn who sleeps with who, counselor. 480 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:53,343 I sure as hell don't care about some backward, redneck statute. 481 00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:56,409 I see this more along the lines of a family dispute. 482 00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:59,422 Renee Bishop is emphatically not family. Catch-22. 483 00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:03,255 Florida law won't allow gays to marry, and then it says they can't adopt because they're not a family. 484 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,261 He's bootstrapping, Judge. 485 00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:08,560 The defendant is the mother because she might overturn a law... 486 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:10,566 that bars her from being the mother. 487 00:28:10,622 --> 00:28:14,069 You're putting the mule before the cart's even built, Mr. Hobart. 488 00:28:14,126 --> 00:28:17,630 That's an issue for the Florida courts to decide some day, 489 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:20,973 Till then, the parties have a trial to prepare for. 490 00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:24,310 - Motion to dismiss is denied. - Judge, if I may? 491 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,349 Make it quick, Mr. Hobart. 492 00:28:26,405 --> 00:28:29,318 Sophie Winslow-- I've decided to call her as a witness. 493 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,615 At what cost to Sophie? 494 00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:36,490 I am disinclined to allow it, Mr. Hobart. 495 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:39,893 In her own mind, Renee Bishop was acting to protect her family. 496 00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:43,991 The child can establish the familial relationship, at least in Renee's mind, existed. 497 00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:47,833 Novel theory. [McCoy] Judge, it's an unnecessary burden for the child... 498 00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:50,499 and a naked attempt to appeal to the jury's emotions. 499 00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:53,941 Of which you are never guilty, Mr. McCoy. 500 00:28:53,999 --> 00:28:56,673 The child can testify for the defense, 501 00:28:56,735 --> 00:29:00,842 but I will cut you off in a heartbeat if I see her in trouble, Mr. Hobart. 502 00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:07,947 The deceased weighed 137 pounds. 503 00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:11,460 Had she simply fallen, her trajectory would have put her here, 504 00:29:11,517 --> 00:29:13,690 on this lower rooftop. 505 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,733 How do you account for where the body was actually found? 506 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:21,795 To reach this point where her body was recovered, she had to have been pushed, hard. 507 00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:24,773 Additionally, there were bruises to her arms and hip... 508 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:28,175 consistent with being grabbed and hurled with some force... 509 00:29:28,233 --> 00:29:30,679 over the balcony guardrail 510 00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:32,682 Nothing further. 511 00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:38,720 What was Ms. Winslow's blood alcohol again? 512 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:40,848 1.2. 513 00:29:40,913 --> 00:29:43,393 That's intoxicated, isn't it? Yes. 514 00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:45,485 Well over the legal limit, in fact? 515 00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:47,496 It affects different individuals differently. 516 00:29:47,552 --> 00:29:52,058 There are a lot of factors: body weight, stomach content, uh, tolerance to alcohol. 517 00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:54,536 Are you familiar with the term, "falling down drunk"? 518 00:29:54,593 --> 00:29:58,336 - Objection. - Sustained. Rephrase or move on, counselor. 519 00:29:58,397 --> 00:30:03,403 Hypothetically, had Ms. Winslow, intoxicated as she was, 520 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,278 come at Renee Bishop, 521 00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:08,511 isn't it possible that Renee Bishop, 522 00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:11,578 in an act of self-defense, adrenaline pumping, 523 00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:15,682 could have deflected Lisa Winslow's attack, 524 00:30:15,747 --> 00:30:18,626 propelling her to the point where her body was found? 525 00:30:18,684 --> 00:30:20,891 Not the way I read the evidence. 526 00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:23,194 But is it possible, hypothetically? 527 00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:25,861 Anything's possible. 528 00:30:25,924 --> 00:30:28,427 [Judge Bradley] Redirect, Mr. McCoy? 529 00:30:30,028 --> 00:30:33,532 Nothing, Your Honor. The People rest. 530 00:30:35,634 --> 00:30:38,046 I'm in first grade. 531 00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:40,344 Last year I was in kindergarten. 532 00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:44,785 When you were in preschool in Florida, who got you ready in the morning and who took you to school? 533 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:47,915 Mommy Renee. 534 00:30:47,979 --> 00:30:50,425 And who picked you up from school? Mommy Renee. 535 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:53,053 And Mommy Lisa, did she ever take you to school? 536 00:30:53,118 --> 00:30:55,064 She had to work. 537 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,964 What about when you got home from school? What did you do? 538 00:30:58,023 --> 00:31:02,335 Sometimes we went to the park, 539 00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:06,638 or we had a tickle fight, or we played dress-up. 540 00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:10,612 - We? Who do you mean, honey? - Me and Mommy Renee. 541 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:14,014 Your Honor, we get the picture. 542 00:31:14,072 --> 00:31:18,077 Ms. Bishop was the primary caregiver, Ms. Winslow the breadwinner. 543 00:31:18,143 --> 00:31:21,989 A rather traditional arrangement we're all familiar with. Wrap it up, counselor 544 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:26,518 Thank you, Sophie. You did great. Thanks. 545 00:31:26,585 --> 00:31:29,930 Hi, Sophie Hi. 546 00:31:31,523 --> 00:31:34,527 You love Mommy Renee, don't you? Yes. 547 00:31:34,593 --> 00:31:38,302 - How 'bout Mommy Lisa? - I love her too. 548 00:31:40,165 --> 00:31:44,477 - You miss her? - A lot. She's on a trip. 549 00:31:44,536 --> 00:31:49,383 When Mommy Renee called you just before she came to visit-- Do you remember that? 550 00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:53,355 Yes. Did she ask you where Mommy Lisa was? 551 00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:56,950 I told her she was at the hotel giving a speech. 552 00:31:57,015 --> 00:31:58,961 It's her work. 553 00:32:03,321 --> 00:32:08,066 Thank you, Sophie. Mommy Lisa's going to come home soon. 554 00:32:08,126 --> 00:32:12,006 She's going to come and get me. 555 00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:21,848 When I came out in high school, 556 00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:26,583 my father told me that there was nothing I could do that would ever make him stop loving me. 557 00:32:27,579 --> 00:32:32,358 But even with my parents' love and support, I felt completely alienated. 558 00:32:32,417 --> 00:32:35,887 I knew that I would never get married, 559 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,025 have children... 560 00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:40,626 or all the things that straight people take for granted. 561 00:32:40,692 --> 00:32:43,104 Continuing objection to this line of questioning. 562 00:32:43,161 --> 00:32:45,573 Get to the heart of the matter, counselor. 563 00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:52,144 - What happened when you met Lisa Winslow? - We fell in love. 564 00:32:52,204 --> 00:32:54,548 I wanted to make a life with her. 565 00:32:54,606 --> 00:32:57,450 And when we adopted Sophie, it seemed complete. 566 00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:59,455 [Hobart] We? I mean Lisa. 567 00:32:59,511 --> 00:33:02,515 In Florida, gay people can't adopt, 568 00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:05,187 so to get around the law, 569 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:08,254 Lisa adopted Sophie as a single parent. 570 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,766 She made a lot more money than I did. 571 00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,565 She was a stronger applicant, and it just-- 572 00:33:14,626 --> 00:33:16,765 it just made sense. 573 00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:20,275 - She said it was a formality. - Because of the Florida law. 574 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:25,213 - Tell us about your family life. - Your Honor, Sophie Winslow has already testified about this. 575 00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:27,443 [judge Bradley] Sustained. Move on, Mr. Hobart. 576 00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:29,610 - Why did your marriage break up? - Your Honor! 577 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:32,052 Withdrawn. Why did you and Lisa split up? 578 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:34,920 Lisa left me. 579 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:37,290 She met someone else. 580 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,920 I got a lawyer, but he told me there was nothing I could do. 581 00:33:39,985 --> 00:33:41,931 I lost everything. 582 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:46,832 Renee, why did you go to the hotel? 583 00:33:46,892 --> 00:33:50,135 I went to the hotel to talk to Lisa, to find some way to reach her, 584 00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:52,141 to do what was best for Sophie. 585 00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:55,440 But Lisa was drunk and abusive. 586 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,346 She told me that she would never let me back into Sophie's life. 587 00:33:59,404 --> 00:34:01,816 She said that Sophie was starting to forget me. 588 00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:06,253 [Hobart] What happened then after she told you that you could never see Sophie again? 589 00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:09,155 I felt sick! 590 00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:12,024 I just went out onto the balcony to get some air. 591 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,996 I guess she followed me out there. She was yelling. 592 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:18,398 She was slurring her words, the way she always did when she got drunk. 593 00:34:18,456 --> 00:34:21,437 She was pushing at me, and she's a lot stronger than I am, 594 00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:23,837 and she's bigger, and I was just scared. 595 00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:26,739 I guess I just must have pushed her back... 596 00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:31,372 because then she just lost her balance and she-she fell. 597 00:34:34,172 --> 00:34:37,153 Did Ms. Winslow invite you to her hotel? 598 00:34:37,209 --> 00:34:39,985 No. Did she even know you were in New York? 599 00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:43,125 I don't know. 600 00:34:43,181 --> 00:34:46,185 In actuality, you went to her hotel and ambushed her. 601 00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:48,993 No, I went to her hotel to talk to her, period. 602 00:34:49,054 --> 00:34:53,525 When you got to her hotel, you attacked her and pushed her to her death. 603 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:56,937 I didn't. She attacked me. 604 00:34:56,995 --> 00:34:59,532 She fell. It was an accident. 605 00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:02,545 You didn't call 911 for an ambulance or the police. 606 00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,741 You abducted her child and got on a bus! 607 00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:08,580 My child. 608 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,642 Our child. 609 00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:15,018 I just did what any parent would do. 610 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,323 You took Sophie and ran! Yes or no? 611 00:35:18,383 --> 00:35:21,227 How could I abduct my own child? 612 00:35:21,286 --> 00:35:26,099 If anybody is guilty of kidnapping, it was Lisa. 613 00:35:44,175 --> 00:35:46,883 Can I get a pint, please, Marty? 614 00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:53,959 You got any kids, McCoy? What difference does that make? 615 00:35:54,019 --> 00:35:56,693 If somebody tried to take them, what would you do? 616 00:35:56,755 --> 00:36:00,259 Fight like hell, within the strictures of the law. 617 00:36:00,325 --> 00:36:03,329 That's easy for you to say. The laws are all on your side. 618 00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:07,036 Even divorced, you don't lose your status as a father. 619 00:36:07,098 --> 00:36:10,307 A crackhead who sells his daughter for $10 has a chance of getting her back. 620 00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:12,314 Renee had nothing. 621 00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:17,547 Should Renee Bishop be able to adopt a child with her lover, get married, raise a family? 622 00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:20,749 Questions for other courts on other days, Mr. Hobart. 623 00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:24,225 That day is coming... soon. 624 00:36:24,282 --> 00:36:28,958 Offer stands. She can shave 10 years off her sentence. 625 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,193 She won't go for it. 626 00:36:31,256 --> 00:36:34,066 She'll try anything to stay in her daughter's life. 627 00:36:34,125 --> 00:36:38,938 You're banking on the hope there's a gay person on that jury. 628 00:36:40,298 --> 00:36:42,642 I'm banking there's a parent. 629 00:36:50,742 --> 00:36:54,747 This isn't about gay or straight. This isn't even about murder. 630 00:36:54,813 --> 00:36:56,815 There was no murder here. 631 00:36:56,882 --> 00:37:00,022 This is about a tragic accident... 632 00:37:00,085 --> 00:37:03,225 arising from a tragic situation... 633 00:37:03,288 --> 00:37:07,668 created by an unfeeling partner and an unfair law. 634 00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:11,606 Most of all, this is about a parent, a mother... 635 00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:14,735 whose child was taken from her. 636 00:37:14,799 --> 00:37:18,178 Renee Bishop didn't come to New York to kill Lisa Winslow. 637 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,648 She came to talk to her, to reason with her, 638 00:37:20,705 --> 00:37:22,651 to plead with her. 639 00:37:22,707 --> 00:37:26,052 She came to see her daughter, their daughter 640 00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:29,718 But Lisa Winslow didn't want to talk or listen. 641 00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:32,352 She was drunk and angry. 642 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:34,556 She attacked Renee Bishop. 643 00:37:34,619 --> 00:37:36,963 Renee Bishop did not act except in defense... 644 00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:39,628 of herself and of her child. 645 00:37:39,691 --> 00:37:41,637 Make no mistake. 646 00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:44,537 There was no crime. 647 00:37:44,596 --> 00:37:47,440 No murder on the balcony that night. 648 00:37:47,499 --> 00:37:49,877 Only a tragedy 649 00:37:57,008 --> 00:38:00,012 Of course, Renee Bishop is Sophie Winslow's mother... 650 00:38:00,078 --> 00:38:03,719 in every sense of the word that matters, 651 00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:07,730 but so was Lisa Winslow. 652 00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:12,792 And what kind of parent kills her child's other parent? 653 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,939 Mr. Hobart reminds you of the bond... 654 00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:21,944 between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow, 655 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,674 but he wants you to forget the bond. 656 00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:26,909 Between Sophie and Lisa, 657 00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:31,079 the woman who adopted her and loved her... 658 00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:34,555 as much as Renee Bishop does. 659 00:38:34,612 --> 00:38:37,115 This case is not about who's the better mother... 660 00:38:37,182 --> 00:38:39,253 or about a law. 661 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:43,288 which may well be antiquated and unfair. 662 00:38:43,354 --> 00:38:47,029 It's not about what Renee Bishop suffered, 663 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:52,737 but about what Renee Bishop did. 664 00:38:54,265 --> 00:38:58,441 And what she did was kill Lisa Winslow, 665 00:38:59,904 --> 00:39:03,579 and that law which she violated... 666 00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:07,646 is as sure and certain... 667 00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:10,318 as the evidence... 668 00:39:10,381 --> 00:39:12,383 is conclusive! 669 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:19,295 As much as you might empathize with her plight, 670 00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:24,940 you must return a verdict of guilty against Renee Bishop. 671 00:39:36,474 --> 00:39:39,148 As to the first count of the indictment, 672 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,350 murder in the second degree, how do you find? 673 00:39:42,413 --> 00:39:45,656 We find the defendant, Renee Bishop, guilty as charged. 674 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:48,425 [Gasping] As to the second count, 675 00:39:48,486 --> 00:39:50,693 kidnapping in the second degree? 676 00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:53,531 We find the defendant guilty as charged. 677 00:39:53,591 --> 00:39:57,698 The jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. Short date for sentence. 678 00:39:57,762 --> 00:39:59,708 [Gavel Raps] 679 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:08,081 Come on, ma'am. Let's go. 680 00:40:16,381 --> 00:40:20,386 You win some, you win some. I'm comfortable with the outcome. 681 00:40:20,452 --> 00:40:23,899 Which would have been the same if they'd been heterosexual. 682 00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:27,232 But would any of this have happened if they'd been allowed to adopt as a married couple? 683 00:40:27,292 --> 00:40:31,069 They knew the law in Florida. If they didn't like it, they could have moved to another state. 684 00:40:31,129 --> 00:40:33,632 I knew we weren't on the same side of this. 685 00:40:33,698 --> 00:40:36,042 I say, let them marry. 686 00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,445 Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us? 687 00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:26,228 [Howling] 58183

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