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When found footage is done
well, it feels like
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you're watching real people
in real situations.
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And that means
that there's real stakes.
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- It's subversive.
- Anything can happen.
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You don't really know
what you're going to see next.
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You know, now everyone has
cameras in their pockets, right?
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We live in a world
that is found footage.
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We've always told each other
stories that are, "This is real,
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this has happened to me."
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These films were
seen as really
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sub-par and underground
and grimy.
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You're sucked into that
hyper realism of normal people
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going through this
extraordinary circumstance.
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You want to believe
that that's actually happening.
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I think it can mean a lot
of different things
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for a lot of different people,
but for me,
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a found footage movie is a movie
that you are watching
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footage that is being created
or generated by the characters.
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It's a movie that's supposed
to be made from footage
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that is just like shot
in the supposed real world
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and cut together
as if it were real,
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as if it
were actually happening.
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What we are dealing with
is a film form of style
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that we recognize
as being a truth telling style.
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So what that means
is it's unedited.
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It's footage that was
discovered,
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and the people who created
the footage are missing.
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It indicates that something
bad happened
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to the people who made it.
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So the major component
of that is the notion,
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the sort of lie that we all
share while watching it,
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that the camera is a camera
in that story, in that movie,
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and it's all supposed
to be happening for real,
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regardless of how insane
the action or the story is.
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It's a term that came up
after "Blair Witch."
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We always used to call it like
P.O.V. cinema
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or first person cinema.
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The footage that the audience
is watching
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was actually discovered,
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you know, and being shown
for the first time.
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It's the idea of something
that you're seeing
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that's really real,
and it has this
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dangerous quality to it,
which I used with "Hate Crime",
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but I really feel the idea
of a found footage movie
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is this dangerous thing of like
you're seeing something
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you stumbled across a video,
be it on the dark web
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or whatever, that you were
just not supposed to see.
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So let's say that while
you're filming me,
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a monster or a demon
or something, some entity
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attacked you and ate you
and ate your camera.
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A few days later,
when it should everything out
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and you clean up the tape
of all the monster poop,
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what you'd have left would
essentially be found footage.
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It delivers authenticity
and realism,
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which I think is
a wonderful contradiction,
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because you're
really using reality
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often with stories
about the unreal.
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And that's what's really
delicious about the genre.
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There's an expectation that
it's going to be
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a very low end looking movie
because by and large, they are.
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To get a look at something
that would be considered,
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I would say contraband.
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This is something that
shouldn't exist.
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It's something
that was discovered.
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And it's kind of like
coming upon someone's journal
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where something
really fucked up happened.
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That sense of a reality
that hopefully draws you in,
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you know, hopefully kind of
makes you feel like this
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is something that maybe
could exist in the world
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that I live in potentially,
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or feels like it's, because of
those aspects, feels more real.
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The mistakes that were
discovered on this journey
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were stunning.
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Shoddy police work
and a judgmental video
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presented the world with
a person guilty
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before ever being tried.
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And I think a lot of people
have this mistaken belief
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that they're
somehow easy to make.
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But to do it good
and to do it properly,
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you need the perfect timing
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and the perfect sound
and the perfect camera moves.
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To do the funky chicken dance.
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Just in everyone's life,
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at some point, they've had
to go investigate something,
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you know, whether it's
a bump in the night
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or, you know, a monster under
the bed scenario or something.
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And I think a lot of times
when you go looking for that,
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you don't always expect
to find something.
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A lot of horror works best
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when it's based
in a kind of quotidian reality
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where you look at something
and go,
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"This is the real world,"
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and then all of a sudden,
you get an eruption
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of something that's very unreal
into a real world,
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and it makes it
more frightening.
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Your goal always
as a horror filmmaker
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is to make people forget that
they're sitting in a cinema.
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And I think a really good
found footage movie can do that
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because it's using
the kind of aesthetic
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that's become so much
of a part of our lives.
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You know, the phone footage,
you know, back in the day,
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VHS footage, it just gives you
that little bit less comfort.
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The found footage film genre
came at a time
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when the horror films
had staled a little bit,
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and it was
a very invigorating format.
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I think there are kind of two
different kinds
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of film footage movies.
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They're the ones
like "Cloverfield"
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or the bigger budget ones
that sort of use it
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as just a stylistic trapping.
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And their goal is not really
to make you think
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this is real footage.
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But then there are ones
like "Blair Witch Project",
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"Paranormal Activity",
a lot of the smaller ones,
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where the goal is to trick
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your sort of lizard brain
into thinking,
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these are real people that real
things are happening to.
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That to me is
when it's done well,
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is what makes film footage
so terrifying.
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And I think that it lends itself
very much to the horror genre
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because it is that sort of
limbic lizard brain
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sort of feeling.
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A lot of other types
of horror films,
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there's always
a certain distance.
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There's always a sense of like,
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"Well, I'm safe where I am
because this isn't in my world."
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But, you know, found footage
makes it feel like,
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well, wait, could somebody
be documenting me now?
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Could I become part of a story?
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Everything about this aesthetic
is telling you
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that this is real life,
I'm watching something actual.
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And so it doesn't feel like
when you see
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something supernatural
in a found footage movie,
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it doesn't feel like you're
watching an effect in a film.
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It feels like you're actually
witnessing a supernatural event.
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Micah! Micah! Micah! Micah!
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Katie!
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I think this is definitely
an argument to be made
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that the found footage
as a filmic style,
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sort of has its roots
in other art forms.
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You know, in particular
the epistolary novel.
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So if you look at "Dracula",
"Dracula", the novel is
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supposedly a collection of
journal entries and letters
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that people
are writing to one another.
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The entire book is written
in what you sort of
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what you would call
a "found footage" style
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or a "found journal-age."
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You know,
a "found written-age" style.
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"Frankenstein" starts in that
way, about someone
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recounting a narrative
of somebody else.
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I've read this over
and over again,
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but they're just words,
but I can't understand.
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"Dracula" certainly starts by
saying, "It will become apparent
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when you look at
all these documents,
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how they all came together.
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And that's part
of the selling of "Dracula"
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as something real and of now,
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rather than the gothic horror
of Germany,
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you know, 100 years
before that.
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You know,
there were typewriters,
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there were blood transfusions.
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It was kind of right up to date
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in the way that the best
found footage horror is today.
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I mean, I think you see it
in literature.
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I think you see it in definitely.
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"War of the Worlds"
is a great example.
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We know now that in the early
years of the 20th century,
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this world was being watched
closely by intelligences greater
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than man,
yet as mortal as his own.
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That whole radio broadcast and
that idea that we're going to,
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you know, alter your reality,
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make you think that something
is happening that's real.
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It's really quite astonishing
and brilliant the way
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that they took the conventions
of radio at that time,
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the orchestra playing tunes,
and then suddenly
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being interrupted
by a news announcer with...
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And then the news gets more
and more and more dire
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as the program goes on,
was really brilliant.
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Cars headlights throw
an enormous spotlight on the pit
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where the objects have buried.
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Now, some of the more
daring fellas now are
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venturing near the edge.
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Stand out against
the metal cage.
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One man wants to touch it.
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He's having an argument
with a policeman.
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People have a kind of
false memory
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that it was all a kind of
live event
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on the radio,
but it wasn't at all.
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That's the way that
found footage also works.
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It's all about creating a fake
reality in a more realistic way.
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It's presenting
as a fictional story
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in the form of something that
is usually aligned with
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truth telling or news telling.
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And by doing so, both
the "War of the Worlds"
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radio broadcasts
and found footage horror
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destabilize what is true
and how susceptible
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we are to believing
these fantastic stories
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about alien invasions
or witches in Maryland.
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- Ooh.
- Ooh.
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Do you believe in ghosts?
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There are various kinds
of found footage movies,
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and there are various movies
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that have found footage
within them
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but are not completely
found footage movies.
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The first many found footage
horror film
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is the opening of
"Peeping Tom."
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No!
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It was one of the first
that really involved the camera
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in what was going on on screen
in diegesis.
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So you have a man
following women with a camera.
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He's looking through the camera,
so the audience are, too.
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And that kind of implicates
the audience
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in what is going on on screen.
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So much of this story
hinges around
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the act of filming itself.
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The camera is present
in a way that is overwhelming,
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and the horror of the film lies
in the presence of this camera.
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The camera is rendered literally
dangerous in "Peeping Tom",
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and it's indescribable
the impact
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that that has had
on contemporary found footage.
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Don't be frightened.
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I'm frightened.
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Halt.
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Put that camera away!
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I came to found footage through
watching these kind of
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experimental films
at Cal Arts.
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And so we ended up watching this
film "David Holzman's Diary",
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where the main character
is filming himself,
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and he's filming this sort of
like this film diary of himself.
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This film was made in 1967.
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Ms. Penny. See her?
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That's Penny. That's Penny.
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That's Penny. That's...
All those.
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That's Penny.
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She's my girlfriend.
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That movie was probably
the first movie
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I remember seeing in that class
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that would fall
into this category.
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That was the first film
that I saw
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that really kind of shook
my sense of what real was.
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This is Penny's house.
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There's Penny.
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Cinéma vérité in the late '60s,
all of a sudden,
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cameras come off tripods,
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they become smaller and people
can hand hold them.
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So there's a natural inclination
to want to experiment with that.
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One of my first introductions,
I guess,
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to what vaguely might have
fallen into the category
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of found footage horror were
what are called mondo films.
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"Mondo" is the Italian
word for "world."
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And these really spike in
popularity starting in the '60s,
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The revolt of the Buddhists in
Saigon had as a prelude
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the first public suicide,
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which took place on
May 2, 1963,
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when the monk ThÃch Quang Duc,
who with a terrible death
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that would have condemned him
in the eyes of his master,
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tried to show that in order to
fight every form of oppression
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on equal terms, Buddhism, too,
needs its martyrs.
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Now that this, we hope,
belongs to the past, it is time
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that everybody should obey
his own conscience once more.
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"Shock-umentaries" is often
what these films are called.
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These films were being done
about world travel,
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so those were being done on
a much lower commercial level.
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At that stage, people were
making these kind of films
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because they
had access to money.
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The maimed, mutilated by
the voracious fish,
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gather the sun dried fins
on the beach.
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They'll sell them to the rich
Chinese communities inland,
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where it is believed
they have aphrodisiac powers.
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Each day, some fisherman leaves
the village and doesn't return.
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Fantastic elements,
as people call them,
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didn't come in until much later
as trying to find another way
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to make these films bankable.
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"Cannibal Holocaust" is often
considered really
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a core, core moment
in the development
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of found footage horror
more than anything else,
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because the story line follows
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the discovery of found footage
that is horrific.
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"Cannibal Holocaust" was
the first attempt
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of classical storytelling,
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trying the audience belief
that the events
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and the images were the truth.
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Try to stay there
for the last shot.
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I don't even know where
we are now.
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Go on, George.
Go in closer to Deodato.
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For more than three months now,
we've been living in the jungle.
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Our only means of communication
with the outside world
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has been this small plane,
which at the moment,
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is under repair,
and the helicopter has been
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bringing out our supplies.
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Things like this happen
all the time in the jungle.
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It's survival of the fittest.
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In the jungle,
it's the daily violence
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of the strong overcoming
the weak!
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Jack!
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Did having the war, you know,
the Vietnam War come in across
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news, you know, while
everybody was eating,
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was that like a precursor to it?
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You know, like how much
of what was going on
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in traditional broadcasting
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and news formats
was pushing that forward?
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I've been interested in found
footage ever since I seen.
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"Cannibal Holocaust"
in the 1990s
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when it was still a banned film
in the UK.
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In this North London shop,
for instance, they took away
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the so-called nasty videos,
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but they left behind
the cassette boxes.
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The attached wrappings
say simply.
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"Not to be seen by those of
nervous disposition."
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So of course all I wanted to do
was go through
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all the video nasties
and just, you know, watch them
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all as many times as I could.
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And "Cannibal Holocaust"
was like,
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that was right
at the top of the pile.
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There's something about
just how raw that movie is,
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even though you know
and you can read about it,
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that it's... I mean,
the animal cruelty is real.
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But, you know, the violence
at the end of the movie
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that happens to the camera crew,
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even though you know it's not
real, it feels so authentic.
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I felt like properly
shaken afterwards.
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This film contains very extreme
violence against animals
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that is real, and it is
extremely distressing to watch.
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But if I put my own
personal ethics about
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how I feel about that
to the side, it's genius.
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Because what this film does is
by showing real violence
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with real animals, when we see
the fake violence
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with human beings,
we interpret that as being real
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by its proximity to the actual
real violence that we've seen.
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So it's very, very effective
in communicating
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how we read violence
and how we read authenticity.
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Deodato was influenced
by some of the news at the time,
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but also the Italian Mondo film
was a big influence.
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And indeed there are elements
from the Mondo Film in.
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"Cannibal Holocaust" in the
"Last Road to Hell" sequence.
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I think there are certain kinds
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of people who really
are fascinated by death
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but have a morbid fascination
with that moment.
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And there are people who want
to explore those dark feelings.
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I don't think that necessarily
makes them bad people at all.
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I think it's quite human
to be interested in death.
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Even as a child,
I was fascinated by death.
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So I really bang the drum
for what I call snuff fictions,
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which are fictional films
that incorporate what is coded
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within the fictional narrative
of those films
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of being "real snuff film."
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So we have Michael
and Roberta Finlay's "Snuff",
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a very controversial film.
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We have things like, you know,
the Nicolas Cage film "8 MM",
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Paul Schrader's "Hardcore",
"Emanuelle in America."
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All of these films, they're
almost a subgenre of themselves,
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and they can cross
different genres.
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They're not necessarily
just in horror.
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We can find them in thrillers.
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But they're predicated
on the idea
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that snuff film is real.
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And we have bits
of amateur footage
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within these
traditionally shot films
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that is coded as being raw
or authentic snuff film.
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And the way that this footage
has a legacy in
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found footage horror
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is explicit because
this footage is discovered.
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It's found footage that's found
within these snuff fictions.
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And it's also extremely violent
and extremely distressing.
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And it distresses the characters
within the films who discover
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the snuff footage to the point
that it propels the narrative.
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Holy shit. Holy shit.
Holy shit.
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BuzzFeed and Bloody Disgusting,
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those online portal publications
came out
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and started doing articles
that were saying,
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"Have you seen the first found
footage film? No, you haven't."
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And then started kind of
outing me as the person who
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did the first found footage
film, which I found amusing.
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I asked for a paternity test
because they said I was
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the godfather of found footage.
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And I'm like, "Alright,
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I'm going to I'm going
to need some DNA.
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I'll give you some DNA.
Let's prove this.
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I'm not paying goddamn
child support for this genre."
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When I first ran across
the tape,
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I was invited
over to a friend's house
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who said he had a very
interesting UFO abduction tape.
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Give me a poster.
Give me something here.
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Yeah, yeah. Or please call...
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Here. No, Mom, I'm going.
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Oh, my God. Be careful.
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Be careful, Michael.
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I was stunned,
shocked by what I saw.
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I thought the tape might be real
because it fit in very well
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with so many UFO/alien
incidences that I know of.
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It fit very well in fact.
Almost too well.
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I thought no one
could fake something like that.
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First of all, I didn't set out
to make a found footage film
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because when I made my film,
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there was no such thing
as found footage.
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I was at a film school.
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I needed to make
my first film by 25.
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By 25, because all of my idols
had... Orson Welles,
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Spielberg, Scorsese.
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All of these guys
were able to achieve that
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and be on their path.
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Well, there I was up in
Northern California,
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San Francisco,
trying to figure out
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how am I going to achieve this?
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I'm 24.
I've got a year left.
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Freaking out,
and a buddy of mine says,
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"Hey, you know,
when my father passed away,
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he left me some money, so I'll
invest in your first film."
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I'm like, "Awesome, great.
How much do you want to invest?"
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6,500 bucks.
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And I'm like, "Okay, dude,
the only thing I can do
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is shoot a home video for that."
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Just a smart ass remark.
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And at the time,
there's no DSLR cameras.
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It's only 35 millimeter or 16.
I didn't have any of that.
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I couldn't even afford that.
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Consumer grade
home film making technology
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really started with actual film
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and then moved into video,
and as technology advanced,
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it became cheaper
and more accessible,
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which meant more and more people
could make these things.
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I'm banging my head,
trying to think what I could do.
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What genre should I work in
with this home video format?
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And then I get a copy of at
Whitley Strieber's book.
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"Communion", and scared
the shit out of me,
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and just terrified me to no end.
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I couldn't sleep, but I couldn't
not put the book down.
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And then it just hit on me,
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what if I took
the alien abduction experience
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and folded that
into a home video?
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There's a ubiquity to home
movies that make them familiar.
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Even if we don't have
our own home movies,
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we know people who do,
which makes it a very familiar,
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warm, recognizable kind of
film making that feels safe.
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It's connected to not
just the domestic space,
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but the domestic experience,
to small experiences.
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So when we communicate
through home movies,
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tales of horror, we have this
very, very significant tension.
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Eric! Eric!
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Oh, shit!
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Set them up!
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Watch out!
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- That's one of them!
- Watch out!
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- Oh, shit!
- Get that camera out of here!
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The Belgian film
"Man Bites Dog"
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from 1992 is really important
in the history of
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found footage horror because
it brings the tradition
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of mockumentary as a comedy form
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and brings that together very,
very, very closely with horror.
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A camera crew,
like in "Troll hunter",
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following some crazy serial
killer around,
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filming this person
murdering people.
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And as the movie went along,
the crew, the camera crew
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got more and more involved,
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and they actually started
arranging the murders.
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This is really punk rock stuff.
It's shot on black and white.
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It's rough, and it's immersive,
and it's overwhelming,
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and it's funny,
and it's dark, and it's twisted.
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The camera is definitely
another character in a film
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when you're making
a fan footage movie.
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It's really the kind
of number one question
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in a found
footage horror movie is,
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how does the camera
fit into your plot,
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and why does it stay there
throughout filming,
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capturing this all?
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I was very conscious while
we were making the movie
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of every single shot
that we were making,
468
00:28:24,862 --> 00:28:28,895
because every single shot,
I needed to, as a filmmaker,
469
00:28:28,896 --> 00:28:30,481
I needed to back up saying,
470
00:28:30,482 --> 00:28:34,550
"It makes sense that this
character would have shot that."
471
00:28:35,931 --> 00:28:37,964
You have to be able to say,
"Here is a legit reason
472
00:28:37,965 --> 00:28:39,447
why someone would
pull a camera out.
473
00:28:39,448 --> 00:28:41,654
That's challenge number one.
474
00:28:41,655 --> 00:28:43,240
Challenge number two is,
475
00:28:43,241 --> 00:28:45,619
what is the reason you're
keeping the damn camera on?
476
00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:47,999
- You saw a spaceship, right?
- Right!
477
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,895
I saw the lights!
478
00:28:49,896 --> 00:28:51,654
Little green man, I guess.
479
00:28:51,655 --> 00:28:53,136
Mom, I had it on tape!
480
00:28:53,137 --> 00:28:54,619
Put the camera down.
What are you doing?
481
00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:56,895
It's almost like a running gag
in these films.
482
00:28:56,896 --> 00:28:59,274
It's like, you know,
you see a couple of these,
483
00:28:59,275 --> 00:29:01,309
and it becomes comic.
484
00:29:01,310 --> 00:29:02,964
It almost becomes comedy.
485
00:29:02,965 --> 00:29:04,378
It's like just
put the camera down
486
00:29:04,379 --> 00:29:05,757
and get the hell out of there.
487
00:29:05,758 --> 00:29:07,861
Why do you still have this
stupid thing?
488
00:29:07,862 --> 00:29:10,654
Just put it down.
- I think it's...
489
00:29:10,655 --> 00:29:12,136
This is the only way you
can see it.
490
00:29:12,137 --> 00:29:13,688
Just the way
the camera's rolling,
491
00:29:13,689 --> 00:29:17,102
there's always that one point
where someone asks why...
492
00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:18,654
"Why are you still filming?"
493
00:29:18,655 --> 00:29:20,723
See, this is for you, Steven.
Even though we don't know
494
00:29:20,724 --> 00:29:22,240
where you are,
we just want you to know
495
00:29:22,241 --> 00:29:24,067
that we're being
really loyal to this whole
496
00:29:24,068 --> 00:29:25,550
shoot, everything.
497
00:29:25,551 --> 00:29:27,412
And so for us,
one of the things we wanted
498
00:29:27,413 --> 00:29:29,654
to expose at the beginning
is we wanted to create
499
00:29:29,655 --> 00:29:31,757
these filmmaker characters
that were very committed to
500
00:29:31,758 --> 00:29:33,481
the idea of documenting
their trip.
501
00:29:33,482 --> 00:29:35,999
This is the frame of mind
they're coming from initially.
502
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,412
And then ultimately,
once they realize
503
00:29:38,413 --> 00:29:40,412
that they're witnessing
this supernatural event,
504
00:29:40,413 --> 00:29:43,102
that if vampires are real
and that is something
505
00:29:43,103 --> 00:29:46,412
that we need to document
and we're going to believe that
506
00:29:46,413 --> 00:29:48,412
because of how we've set
these characters up
507
00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:49,964
at the very beginning
of the movie.
508
00:29:49,965 --> 00:29:52,723
I can't in good conscience
just let you stay here
509
00:29:52,724 --> 00:29:54,205
and hurt yourself.
510
00:29:54,206 --> 00:29:56,067
We have to go home, okay?
It's the right thing...
511
00:29:56,068 --> 00:29:58,999
Aah! Jesus Christ.
512
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,550
Look at films like
"Ghost watch."
513
00:30:00,551 --> 00:30:04,171
They've got this rich culture
of the BBC behind them
514
00:30:04,172 --> 00:30:06,619
and the real life news presenter
515
00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:10,447
and this real, actual
crossover into reality.
516
00:30:10,448 --> 00:30:12,723
But this was a kind of way
of talking about TV
517
00:30:12,724 --> 00:30:14,585
at the same time
as doing a ghost story.
518
00:30:14,586 --> 00:30:19,067
So we were kind of
exploring areas of,
519
00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:20,447
do we believe what we watch?
520
00:30:20,448 --> 00:30:22,412
Did we see that?
Did we not see that?
521
00:30:22,413 --> 00:30:25,619
Is that expert telling us
the truth? All those things.
522
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:27,757
I've got eight or nine
phone calls here which are like
523
00:30:27,758 --> 00:30:29,861
Emma Stableford's
we had earlier on.
524
00:30:29,862 --> 00:30:33,205
They, too, have seen
a mysterious dark figure
525
00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:36,033
in the background of that shot
in the children's bedroom.
526
00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:37,205
Michael?
527
00:30:37,206 --> 00:30:38,516
Dark, mysterious figure,
doctor?
528
00:30:38,517 --> 00:30:40,412
Have you got that
sequence ready yet?
529
00:30:40,413 --> 00:30:43,999
It was a time when reality TV
was at the foothills,
530
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,688
really beginning
in the early '90s,
531
00:30:45,689 --> 00:30:48,619
and there was a real
kind of gray area
532
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:50,274
between documentary and drama.
533
00:30:50,275 --> 00:30:54,309
Dramas were using documentary
techniques like hand held camera,
534
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:57,792
non-fiction TV were using actors
to dramatize events.
535
00:30:57,793 --> 00:30:59,964
So there was a whole blurring
of the boundaries
536
00:30:59,965 --> 00:31:01,274
between the two genres.
537
00:31:01,275 --> 00:31:03,067
And I think that was the climate
538
00:31:03,068 --> 00:31:05,757
that we were working in
at that time, really.
539
00:31:05,758 --> 00:31:08,481
And we wanted to
kind of explore the idea
540
00:31:08,482 --> 00:31:11,550
of what does reality TV become?
541
00:31:11,551 --> 00:31:15,343
"Ghost watch" was very, very
ahead of its time,
542
00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:16,999
very powerful
and very political.
543
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,481
This was the time of the first
Gulf War, that they used,
544
00:31:20,482 --> 00:31:22,516
I believe,
the same camera technology
545
00:31:22,517 --> 00:31:24,792
that was being used
for war coverage.
546
00:31:24,793 --> 00:31:27,757
So it was a very,
very important program
547
00:31:27,758 --> 00:31:31,619
in that it demanded
of its audience to step up
548
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:34,826
and start thinking critically
about the media that we consume.
549
00:31:34,827 --> 00:31:37,516
This footage was shot
by parapsychologists
550
00:31:37,517 --> 00:31:39,033
investigating the case.
551
00:31:39,034 --> 00:31:41,757
Now you're about to see
one of the incidents
552
00:31:41,758 --> 00:31:44,550
that have earned this house
its reputation.
553
00:31:44,551 --> 00:31:48,205
For very political reasons
that Steven Volk has expressed
554
00:31:48,206 --> 00:31:50,378
in extraordinary detail,
555
00:31:50,379 --> 00:31:55,205
challenging his audience really
to think about the questions
556
00:31:55,206 --> 00:31:58,516
that lie at the heart of
found footage horror, which is,
557
00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:00,516
do you buy this,
do you believe this?
558
00:32:00,517 --> 00:32:03,895
I'm telling you a story
about ghosts in the middle
559
00:32:03,896 --> 00:32:05,136
of suburban London.
560
00:32:05,137 --> 00:32:06,550
Do you really believe that
561
00:32:06,551 --> 00:32:08,792
just because
I'm presenting it to you
562
00:32:08,793 --> 00:32:11,412
in a format
that looks like it's true?
563
00:32:11,413 --> 00:32:14,654
The fact it was anti-BBC,
that the nation trusted,
564
00:32:14,655 --> 00:32:16,585
you know, from the wartime,
you know,
565
00:32:16,586 --> 00:32:19,412
you trust BBC for your
global news.
566
00:32:19,413 --> 00:32:21,378
Still do, you know?
567
00:32:21,379 --> 00:32:23,964
And the fact
that could be subverted,
568
00:32:23,965 --> 00:32:26,619
you know, I'm still kind of
proud of that.
569
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:28,343
We've been inundated
with hoaxes...
570
00:32:28,344 --> 00:32:30,999
The Rosenheim poltergeist
affected a telephone exchange.
571
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,964
Rang up endless bills,
misdirected calls.
572
00:32:32,965 --> 00:32:34,343
There are no poltergeists.
573
00:32:34,344 --> 00:32:35,481
They're seeing it now,
for God's sake.
574
00:32:35,482 --> 00:32:36,895
Don't close the lines.
575
00:32:36,896 --> 00:32:38,550
We need to know
what's happening out there.
576
00:32:38,551 --> 00:32:40,309
You're the expert.
What is happening out there?
577
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:41,757
And that was deliberately so,
578
00:32:41,758 --> 00:32:43,550
and that was a very hard battle
to get across
579
00:32:43,551 --> 00:32:46,654
the head of head of drama
and all the other execs.
580
00:32:46,655 --> 00:32:48,033
It was more controversial
581
00:32:48,034 --> 00:32:49,861
than I ever thought it was
going to be.
582
00:32:49,862 --> 00:32:52,792
Because it was tapping quite
directly and quite playfully
583
00:32:52,793 --> 00:32:55,067
into the success of things
like "Crime watch."
584
00:32:55,068 --> 00:32:58,688
These were serious programs
about serious subjects,
585
00:32:58,689 --> 00:33:00,999
and "Ghost watch"
played with that.
586
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,067
It will always work
as long as it changes
587
00:33:05,068 --> 00:33:07,757
with the times,
so if it's reflecting
588
00:33:07,758 --> 00:33:09,861
the zeitgeist and the equipment,
589
00:33:09,862 --> 00:33:13,964
as new technology comes in
and uses it their own way.
590
00:33:13,965 --> 00:33:15,585
I'm quite close to you, though.
591
00:33:15,586 --> 00:33:18,171
I mean, what about... what
about the people down here?
592
00:33:18,172 --> 00:33:20,481
If we move down here,
how fast can you move
593
00:33:20,482 --> 00:33:21,654
with that thing
on your shoulder?
594
00:33:21,655 --> 00:33:23,274
- Quite fast.
- It's not bad.
595
00:33:23,275 --> 00:33:25,481
Who needs the Steadicam
when you got Chris Miller?
596
00:33:25,482 --> 00:33:27,067
That's what I say.
597
00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:28,550
Since its inception,
598
00:33:28,551 --> 00:33:30,481
found footage has
kind of adapted
599
00:33:30,482 --> 00:33:31,757
to its cultural context.
600
00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:33,792
And I think of all
the subgenres,
601
00:33:33,793 --> 00:33:36,792
it's probably the most engaged
602
00:33:36,793 --> 00:33:38,792
with what's going on
because it has to be,
603
00:33:38,793 --> 00:33:42,033
because it has to keep this
connection with its audience.
604
00:33:42,034 --> 00:33:45,861
It has to keep up with what
people are perceiving
605
00:33:45,862 --> 00:33:47,309
as being reality.
606
00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:49,378
Does your computer have
a modem?
607
00:33:49,379 --> 00:33:51,723
I think so.
My grandpa bought it for us.
608
00:33:51,724 --> 00:33:53,516
It has all the latest
high tech stuff.
609
00:33:53,517 --> 00:33:56,343
Here's Alison. Can you explain
what Internet is?
610
00:33:56,344 --> 00:33:58,585
Not everyone had access to it.
611
00:33:58,586 --> 00:34:00,619
It wasn't the Internet
that we know today.
612
00:34:00,620 --> 00:34:02,240
It was a lot more kind of basic.
613
00:34:02,241 --> 00:34:07,171
In 1981, only 213 computers
were hooked to the Internet.
614
00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:10,447
As the new year begins,
an estimated 2.5 million
615
00:34:10,448 --> 00:34:11,792
computers will be
on the network.
616
00:34:11,793 --> 00:34:13,654
What do you write to it?
Like mail?
617
00:34:13,655 --> 00:34:16,481
The little mark with the "A"
and then the ring around it.
618
00:34:16,482 --> 00:34:18,378
- @?
- See, that's what I said.
619
00:34:18,379 --> 00:34:19,757
Mm-hmm.
620
00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:21,378
Kay said she
thought it was "about."
621
00:34:21,379 --> 00:34:22,930
- Yeah.
- Oh.
622
00:34:22,931 --> 00:34:25,102
For any of our viewers
who have access to Internet,
623
00:34:25,103 --> 00:34:26,585
we invite your comments.
624
00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:29,205
We're here in the Pine Barrens,
southern New Jersey,
625
00:34:29,206 --> 00:34:32,481
live and direct, coming right
at you in your living room,
626
00:34:32,482 --> 00:34:35,930
first ever web simulcast,
cable cast.
627
00:34:35,931 --> 00:34:38,240
And everybody is on the edge
of their seat.
628
00:34:38,241 --> 00:34:42,481
And I know you are because I am.
And I'm sure Steven is, too.
629
00:34:42,482 --> 00:34:44,274
"The Last Broadcast"
is, you know,
630
00:34:44,275 --> 00:34:48,792
it's basically an examination
of what is real and what is not.
631
00:34:48,793 --> 00:34:53,723
It's looking at the media
that's shaped and the media
632
00:34:53,724 --> 00:34:59,171
that we digest
or how we shape our own truth.
633
00:34:59,172 --> 00:35:04,171
And so I think that that film is
really kind of a time capsule
634
00:35:04,172 --> 00:35:05,654
when I look back on it.
635
00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:08,550
It's kind of...
It's this unique moment
636
00:35:08,551 --> 00:35:11,274
that captures
the mid to late '90s, right?
637
00:35:11,275 --> 00:35:14,378
And, and I think when I think
about "The Last Broadcast",
638
00:35:14,379 --> 00:35:17,999
it's even more relevant now
I think in some ways because
639
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,826
we live in this age of kind of
misinformation and deception.
640
00:35:21,827 --> 00:35:26,412
We are really trying
to comment on media
641
00:35:26,413 --> 00:35:27,930
and fact and fiction.
642
00:35:27,931 --> 00:35:30,309
What you're seeing, you know,
in terms of reality
643
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:33,033
versus manufactured truth.
644
00:35:33,034 --> 00:35:35,481
Lucas, you joker,
you knew it all along
645
00:35:35,482 --> 00:35:36,861
that we were on, did you?
646
00:35:36,862 --> 00:35:38,619
Yeah.
Welcome to our new show.
647
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:40,136
Well, actually,
it's not a new show.
648
00:35:40,137 --> 00:35:41,895
It's got a new name.
Thanks to everybody out there
649
00:35:41,896 --> 00:35:43,481
who helped us come up
with this great name.
650
00:35:43,482 --> 00:35:45,171
- "Fact or Fiction?
- That's right.
651
00:35:45,172 --> 00:35:47,309
The fake cable show they had
was called "Fact of Fiction."
652
00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:51,033
And then the we were framing
found footage within
653
00:35:51,034 --> 00:35:53,757
a documentary,
within a narrative.
654
00:35:53,758 --> 00:35:55,619
So that kind of onion layer
655
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:57,033
was something
that we were intrigued by.
656
00:35:57,034 --> 00:35:58,619
The other side was
the practicality of it,
657
00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:00,481
like the liberation
of being able
658
00:36:00,482 --> 00:36:02,136
to make something, you know.
659
00:36:02,137 --> 00:36:04,723
So it was like, "Oh, let's get
a bunch of friends together.
660
00:36:04,724 --> 00:36:06,378
Let's just try to make
this movie,
661
00:36:06,379 --> 00:36:07,964
and let's see what happens."
662
00:36:07,965 --> 00:36:10,102
And so by dispensing with
actors and putting ourselves
663
00:36:10,103 --> 00:36:12,688
in it and our friends,
it kind of very quickly
664
00:36:12,689 --> 00:36:14,067
became a thing where we're like,
665
00:36:14,068 --> 00:36:15,792
"All right, well, how can
we make this convincing?
666
00:36:15,793 --> 00:36:18,550
And so there was
the evolution of that
667
00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:20,102
it was going to be
kind of a "mock-doc."
668
00:36:20,103 --> 00:36:24,654
It was as much a comment
on society as it was a comment
669
00:36:24,655 --> 00:36:26,826
on the industry at that time.
670
00:36:26,827 --> 00:36:28,964
It was like, you know,
pushing against
671
00:36:28,965 --> 00:36:30,688
permission based culture
and saying,
672
00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:32,826
"You know what, we can make
our own work.
673
00:36:32,827 --> 00:36:34,792
We can green light
our own movie."
674
00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:37,033
The technology kind of arrived.
675
00:36:37,034 --> 00:36:39,240
It was pretty rough at the time,
but it arrived where, you know,
676
00:36:39,241 --> 00:36:40,861
we could make a movie
because up at that point,
677
00:36:40,862 --> 00:36:42,930
if I wanted to edit a film,
678
00:36:42,931 --> 00:36:45,826
I either had to go into a studio
and rent the studio time,
679
00:36:45,827 --> 00:36:48,930
or I had to rent
a flatbed editor, film editor
680
00:36:48,931 --> 00:36:50,688
for 400 bucks a month,
you know?
681
00:36:50,689 --> 00:36:53,240
So it was a big deal
to actually chop
682
00:36:53,241 --> 00:36:54,654
two things together.
683
00:36:54,655 --> 00:36:56,654
If I wanted to shoot,
I had to rent an Aton
684
00:36:56,655 --> 00:36:58,585
or some camera to shoot.
685
00:36:58,586 --> 00:37:01,447
We used a hybrid of
consumer grade gear
686
00:37:01,448 --> 00:37:03,067
to shoot "The Last Broadcast."
687
00:37:03,068 --> 00:37:05,688
There's definitely a really
interesting democratization
688
00:37:05,689 --> 00:37:07,309
of the process going on there.
689
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:10,999
You know, where we're making
the movie for like $900
690
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,481
using prosumer grade equipment
and kind of just going at it.
691
00:37:16,482 --> 00:37:19,033
So I think in that sense,
692
00:37:19,034 --> 00:37:22,378
the accessibility of the tools
were just starting to happen.
693
00:37:22,379 --> 00:37:25,343
The movie was supposed to
take place in 1994,
694
00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:27,067
so we were kind of stuck,
at least
695
00:37:27,068 --> 00:37:29,930
with what the filmmakers
were going to use.
696
00:37:29,931 --> 00:37:31,378
We were kind of stuck at,
you know,
697
00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:34,619
at a certain technological
plateau, you know.
698
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:37,171
So we shot the movie
on Hi8 video,
699
00:37:37,172 --> 00:37:41,309
which was kind of the video
of choice for, you know,
700
00:37:41,310 --> 00:37:43,067
just kind of home video
at the time.
701
00:37:43,068 --> 00:37:46,240
Hmm. Eight hours,
one free bonus blank tape
702
00:37:46,241 --> 00:37:47,378
and quick charge.
703
00:37:47,379 --> 00:37:49,550
Seems to me that this is
the one to go with.
704
00:37:49,551 --> 00:37:51,136
What if I had to use
the camcorder
705
00:37:51,137 --> 00:37:53,378
and recharge the battery at
the same time?
706
00:37:53,379 --> 00:37:56,826
That's when you need
the optional battery charger.
707
00:37:56,827 --> 00:37:59,999
The ACV 700 is recommended
for use at home.
708
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,136
Tell me about this tripod.
709
00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:04,343
What's wonderful about kind of
"The Last Broadcast"
710
00:38:04,344 --> 00:38:09,205
and "The Blair Witch" is that,
you know, they're exploring
711
00:38:09,206 --> 00:38:11,757
similar things
at a similar time, right?
712
00:38:11,758 --> 00:38:13,930
You know, it's like,
I've said in the past,
713
00:38:13,931 --> 00:38:16,550
like 100 monkeys go up
a mountain with typewriters.
714
00:38:16,551 --> 00:38:18,930
Two are bound to come down
with the same thing, right?
715
00:38:18,931 --> 00:38:21,447
So there was something
in the zeitgeist.
716
00:38:21,448 --> 00:38:25,930
I think that in the sense of
the way that we were
717
00:38:25,931 --> 00:38:28,412
rolling it out and what we were
doing is we were fiercely
718
00:38:28,413 --> 00:38:30,585
independent, right?
719
00:38:30,586 --> 00:38:33,481
Ours was a DIY project
all the way through, you know?
720
00:38:33,482 --> 00:38:37,654
So we didn't... we kind of
fought of a battle with
721
00:38:37,655 --> 00:38:41,585
that movie that ushered in a
whole new wave of film making.
722
00:38:41,586 --> 00:38:43,654
Brian is an audio wiz,
723
00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:46,826
and supposedly he's been
able to document...
724
00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:50,412
Supposedly he's been able
to document, you know,
725
00:38:50,413 --> 00:38:53,205
paranormal occurrences on tape.
726
00:38:53,206 --> 00:38:56,136
We were definitely, you know,
borrowing from movies
727
00:38:56,137 --> 00:39:00,033
like "The Legend of Body Creek"
and the TV show "In Search Of."
728
00:39:00,034 --> 00:39:02,205
Definitely like "Alien Autopsy",
was once something that
729
00:39:02,206 --> 00:39:04,343
I like remembered when
I was younger.
730
00:39:04,344 --> 00:39:06,792
I loved it, you know,
the idea of just showing,
731
00:39:06,793 --> 00:39:08,826
throwing this footage out there,
732
00:39:08,827 --> 00:39:10,412
and even though it looked
pretty fake or whatever,
733
00:39:10,413 --> 00:39:13,136
but just the idea that you could
kind of like try to just,
734
00:39:13,137 --> 00:39:15,447
you know, this kind of
disinformation campaign.
735
00:39:15,448 --> 00:39:18,274
I think we were definitely
kind of tapping into that stuff
736
00:39:18,275 --> 00:39:20,309
when we were coming up with
the idea for "Blair Witch."
737
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:22,688
So the film we've all heard
about and a few people
738
00:39:22,689 --> 00:39:24,033
have already seen its
sneak previews
739
00:39:24,034 --> 00:39:26,205
in the past week,
"The Blair Witch Project."
740
00:39:26,206 --> 00:39:28,792
It was just kind of this
crazy snowball
741
00:39:28,793 --> 00:39:30,654
that kept getting bigger
and bigger,
742
00:39:30,655 --> 00:39:34,240
this kind of avalanche of stuff
that was happening to us.
743
00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:36,619
The hit indie blockbuster
has now grossed
744
00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:39,619
$350 million worldwide.
745
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:41,930
We never knew that we were
going to be on the covers
746
00:39:41,931 --> 00:39:44,067
of Time and Newsweek
the same week.
747
00:39:44,068 --> 00:39:45,792
Did you ever expect it to
be this big?
748
00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:46,861
Obviously, you didn't.
749
00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:48,171
No, I was kind of expecting
750
00:39:48,172 --> 00:39:49,792
maybe to have a copy of it
on video.
751
00:39:49,793 --> 00:39:52,688
For us, it was just like, "What
the hell is happening here?"
752
00:39:52,689 --> 00:39:55,067
Daniel Myrick
and Eduardo Sanchez
753
00:39:55,068 --> 00:39:57,550
are the co-directors of
what's now the most
754
00:39:57,551 --> 00:39:59,136
profitable film ever made.
755
00:39:59,137 --> 00:40:02,171
We did like two days
of press in L.A.
756
00:40:02,172 --> 00:40:05,343
Dan and I are literally like sat
next to each other and just,
757
00:40:05,344 --> 00:40:08,619
you know, one every 15 minutes
for like the whole day,
758
00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:09,895
for like 10 hours a day.
759
00:40:09,896 --> 00:40:11,171
You'll get over it.
It's all right.
760
00:40:11,172 --> 00:40:12,688
No, I'll never get over it.
761
00:40:12,689 --> 00:40:14,378
- Okay.
- I'm gonna get out of here.
762
00:40:14,379 --> 00:40:16,826
The first thing we came up with
was the scene of them
763
00:40:16,827 --> 00:40:18,378
going into the house.
764
00:40:18,379 --> 00:40:20,343
Like, that was like... we were
like, "Imagine, you know,
765
00:40:20,344 --> 00:40:22,447
having a video camera
and you're, you know,
766
00:40:22,448 --> 00:40:25,171
walking toward a house,
and you see this creepy house,
767
00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:27,585
and there's no lights on,
and it's dilapidated,
768
00:40:27,586 --> 00:40:30,171
and you go in, and there's all
this satanic stuff,
769
00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:33,654
and, you know, just being
kind of stuck in that P.O.V."
770
00:40:33,655 --> 00:40:35,102
I always found that,
you know,
771
00:40:35,103 --> 00:40:37,205
something that's not scripted
and feels real.
772
00:40:37,206 --> 00:40:39,516
Think of the joy of being
in a really good film.
773
00:40:39,517 --> 00:40:41,343
- Hey, shut the fuck up.
- Okay, I'm quiet.
774
00:40:41,344 --> 00:40:42,999
I can connect to it
a little bit more
775
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,205
than something that I know
some guy who wrote that.
776
00:40:45,206 --> 00:40:48,447
And, you know, people are
reading lines and acting that.
777
00:40:48,448 --> 00:40:51,550
And "Blair Witch", you know,
showed how it can be done in
778
00:40:51,551 --> 00:40:53,205
like the most effective way.
779
00:40:53,206 --> 00:40:56,654
The horror genre needed
some refreshment at the time
780
00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:58,205
it got "Blair Witch Project."
781
00:40:58,206 --> 00:41:01,481
It had gone through the '90s,
which had its quality
782
00:41:01,482 --> 00:41:04,136
horror movies,
but probably in hindsight,
783
00:41:04,137 --> 00:41:06,516
can be considered
a little bit of a dry spell.
784
00:41:06,517 --> 00:41:09,343
What "The Blair Witch Project"
did is throw the rule book out.
785
00:41:09,344 --> 00:41:12,654
And was just like, "No,
everybody dies, no one survives.
786
00:41:12,655 --> 00:41:14,102
This is horribly nihilistic."
787
00:41:14,103 --> 00:41:16,550
And it just kind of reset
the horror genre.
788
00:41:16,551 --> 00:41:18,067
So I think for audiences,
789
00:41:18,068 --> 00:41:20,171
maybe that's why everyone
just gravitated towards it.
790
00:41:20,172 --> 00:41:21,481
Because it was
just so different.
791
00:41:21,482 --> 00:41:23,205
We started talking about
horror films
792
00:41:23,206 --> 00:41:25,102
and what kind of films scared us
when we were little kids,
793
00:41:25,103 --> 00:41:27,999
and we had kind of
the same horror films,
794
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,550
you know, "The Shining"
and "The Exorcist."
795
00:41:29,551 --> 00:41:33,067
So we felt "Blair"
was in that same spirit.
796
00:41:33,068 --> 00:41:34,550
Something that was
a psychological horror,
797
00:41:34,551 --> 00:41:37,309
which we feel is much scarier
than, you know,
798
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:39,930
just getting a knife in the neck
or something like that.
799
00:41:39,931 --> 00:41:41,205
There was something
that was happening.
800
00:41:41,206 --> 00:41:43,895
We were we were tapping
into something
801
00:41:43,896 --> 00:41:46,240
that made that interesting
at that time,
802
00:41:46,241 --> 00:41:48,136
you know, coming off
of all these, like,
803
00:41:48,137 --> 00:41:52,688
polished kind of slasher films
in the mid to late '90s,
804
00:41:52,689 --> 00:41:54,136
and this desire for something
805
00:41:54,137 --> 00:41:56,999
that was more visceral
in a different way,
806
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,654
in a way that felt like
it was real.
807
00:41:58,655 --> 00:42:02,205
At the same time, like the
Internet is starting to ramp up.
808
00:42:02,206 --> 00:42:05,240
It was like 15 bucks a month
to host a site,
809
00:42:05,241 --> 00:42:07,481
and I was doing
all the labor for free.
810
00:42:07,482 --> 00:42:10,205
Mike Monello, my other partner,
was helping me out a lot,
811
00:42:10,206 --> 00:42:11,999
and we just started
putting this website together.
812
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,309
It just hit at the right point
when the Internet
813
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:18,826
was really starting,
fan communities just,
814
00:42:18,827 --> 00:42:20,550
you know, horror communities
815
00:42:20,551 --> 00:42:25,102
were all starting to talk
on Usenet, things like this.
816
00:42:25,103 --> 00:42:28,171
And there's been amazing
research done on how
817
00:42:28,172 --> 00:42:30,895
Internet communities
responded to "The Blair Witch."
818
00:42:30,896 --> 00:42:33,412
The word was spreading,
you know,
819
00:42:33,413 --> 00:42:35,136
kind of like wildfire
at the time.
820
00:42:35,137 --> 00:42:37,102
The Internet was so little,
but we were getting
821
00:42:37,103 --> 00:42:39,309
new people all the time.
822
00:42:39,310 --> 00:42:40,792
Blair Witch.com.
823
00:42:40,793 --> 00:42:43,826
Really, the website was kind of
like a medium for the mythology.
824
00:42:43,827 --> 00:42:46,033
So we all created the mythology
and threw it up
825
00:42:46,034 --> 00:42:50,619
there kind of for people
to find out about
826
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:52,447
and formatted the site
in such a way
827
00:42:52,448 --> 00:42:55,895
to where it was a kind of
interactive experience.
828
00:42:58,137 --> 00:43:01,205
I just wanted the website
to just kind of be
829
00:43:01,206 --> 00:43:04,447
just this kind of
investigative website that
830
00:43:04,448 --> 00:43:07,481
basically treated this case
as if it were real.
831
00:43:07,482 --> 00:43:10,930
And I think what people loved
about the marketing of.
832
00:43:10,931 --> 00:43:14,067
"Blair Witch" which was that it
was not really marketing,
833
00:43:14,068 --> 00:43:16,171
it was more story telling.
834
00:43:16,172 --> 00:43:18,309
It wasn't about like,
"Hey, go see this movie
835
00:43:18,310 --> 00:43:20,447
because it, you know,
stars Heather Donahue
836
00:43:20,448 --> 00:43:22,033
and Joshua Leonard
and Mike Williams,
837
00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:24,585
and it's directed
by these guys" and whatever.
838
00:43:24,586 --> 00:43:26,343
It was not anything about
the movie at all.
839
00:43:26,344 --> 00:43:29,171
It was like, "This is
a movie over here.
840
00:43:29,172 --> 00:43:30,654
And now we're going to tell you
about the legend
841
00:43:30,655 --> 00:43:32,171
of the Blair Witch."
842
00:43:32,172 --> 00:43:33,757
"The Blair Witch" 's
relationship to the Internet
843
00:43:33,758 --> 00:43:35,343
is not just important
to found footage horror,
844
00:43:35,344 --> 00:43:38,826
but to cinema marketing
and film consumption
845
00:43:38,827 --> 00:43:40,481
and fan discourse.
846
00:43:40,482 --> 00:43:46,171
And that's a grassroots level
way that the fans gobble up
847
00:43:46,172 --> 00:43:48,654
and discuss this
in their own spaces.
848
00:43:48,655 --> 00:43:51,516
This is way before social media,
way before Facebook.
849
00:43:51,517 --> 00:43:53,688
They used it in a way
you couldn't necessarily use it
850
00:43:53,689 --> 00:43:56,550
today because you could make
a web page that says
851
00:43:56,551 --> 00:43:59,309
these people are missing,
but you can very easily find out
852
00:43:59,310 --> 00:44:01,792
that they're not really and that
that's an actress and so on.
853
00:44:01,793 --> 00:44:07,171
So they did leverage it at
the time to the best ability,
854
00:44:07,172 --> 00:44:08,619
you know, that they could,
but I don't think
855
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:11,723
it's necessarily replicable
in the modern day.
856
00:44:11,724 --> 00:44:14,930
What "The Blair Witch Project"
did was exactly what
857
00:44:14,931 --> 00:44:18,723
Orson Welles did to a completely
unsuspecting audience
858
00:44:18,724 --> 00:44:21,481
who had no no framework.
859
00:44:21,482 --> 00:44:27,067
There was no mental preparation
that was possible for audiences
860
00:44:27,068 --> 00:44:31,171
to conceive
what this film was doing.
861
00:44:31,172 --> 00:44:34,516
I just want to apologize
862
00:44:34,517 --> 00:44:41,723
to Mike's mom
and Josh's mom and my mom.
863
00:44:44,896 --> 00:44:47,654
And I'm sorry to everyone.
864
00:44:47,655 --> 00:44:50,171
"Blair Witch" was a movie
that could only come
865
00:44:50,172 --> 00:44:52,067
from independent cinema.
866
00:44:52,068 --> 00:44:53,792
You know, it was the only movie
867
00:44:53,793 --> 00:44:56,964
that Haxan... the five
Haxan guys made together.
868
00:44:56,965 --> 00:45:00,930
Like, we never were able to make
another movie together again.
869
00:45:00,931 --> 00:45:03,757
So, you know, there was
definitely some, you know...
870
00:45:03,758 --> 00:45:07,136
"Blair Witch" was definitely
this high point in our lives,
871
00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:09,343
but also it, you know,
caused a lot of turmoil,
872
00:45:09,344 --> 00:45:11,309
and we changed a lot.
873
00:45:11,310 --> 00:45:13,481
You know, we grew up a lot.
874
00:45:13,482 --> 00:45:16,619
After the huge international
blockbuster success
875
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:19,585
of "The Blair Witch Project",
it surely was a given
876
00:45:19,586 --> 00:45:21,481
that this is going to be
a thing now, right?
877
00:45:21,482 --> 00:45:24,757
"The Blair Witch Project"
probably didn't start
878
00:45:24,758 --> 00:45:29,067
a massive move towards more
and more found footage movies
879
00:45:29,068 --> 00:45:33,102
immediately because it was
so very specific
880
00:45:33,103 --> 00:45:34,412
as to what it was.
881
00:45:34,413 --> 00:45:36,067
It was a found footage movie
like this,
882
00:45:36,068 --> 00:45:39,171
which was footage that was
supposed to be shot and found,
883
00:45:39,172 --> 00:45:40,723
and then somebody
stitched it together.
884
00:45:40,724 --> 00:45:43,585
And if you were to immediately
make a movie like that
885
00:45:43,586 --> 00:45:46,757
with that same conceit, it would
reek of being a rip off.
886
00:45:46,758 --> 00:45:49,516
You know, I think the reason
that maybe found footage
887
00:45:49,517 --> 00:45:51,895
didn't didn't catch on
after "Ghost watch"
888
00:45:51,896 --> 00:45:54,205
or "Blair Witch" is because
it's just really hard
889
00:45:54,206 --> 00:45:55,930
to fake authenticity.
890
00:45:55,931 --> 00:45:58,481
You know, those movies were
so unlike anything that had
891
00:45:58,482 --> 00:46:01,723
come out at the time,
and everything following them,
892
00:46:01,724 --> 00:46:04,274
you know, even the better
found footage movies,
893
00:46:04,275 --> 00:46:07,723
they still had this air
of imitation about them.
894
00:46:07,724 --> 00:46:11,550
Even its own sequel didn't
attempt to try to duplicate it.
895
00:46:11,551 --> 00:46:13,412
Right? There was a sense
in which like it
896
00:46:13,413 --> 00:46:19,102
was such a unique and refreshing
and just totally visionary thing
897
00:46:19,103 --> 00:46:23,723
that to try to copy it
felt impossible.
898
00:46:23,724 --> 00:46:25,792
It felt like, okay, well,
that's not a thing you can do.
899
00:46:25,793 --> 00:46:29,274
Like, that was this moment
of lightning in a bottle.
900
00:46:29,275 --> 00:46:30,412
And after "Blair Witch",
of course,
901
00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:32,516
everybody was parodying,
you know,
902
00:46:32,517 --> 00:46:34,826
their famous scenes about being,
you know, "I'm so scared.
903
00:46:34,827 --> 00:46:37,171
So the genre became
a parody of itself,
904
00:46:37,172 --> 00:46:38,654
like, almost immediately.
905
00:46:38,655 --> 00:46:40,309
And so it was very hard
to take it seriously.
906
00:46:40,310 --> 00:46:41,930
So I think a certain amount
of time had to pass
907
00:46:41,931 --> 00:46:44,343
for that to get washed out.
908
00:46:44,344 --> 00:46:46,861
Things changed, however,
with September 11th.
909
00:46:46,862 --> 00:46:48,964
Teenagers growing up
with found footage horror
910
00:46:48,965 --> 00:46:51,964
have lived through things
like 9/11 and lived through
911
00:46:51,965 --> 00:46:54,550
a lot of different kind of
cultural traumas.
912
00:46:54,551 --> 00:46:57,930
And maybe it's more believable
to us that everyone does die
913
00:46:57,931 --> 00:46:59,481
at the end.
914
00:46:59,482 --> 00:47:02,550
We got used to seeing disasters
or very unusual stuff
915
00:47:02,551 --> 00:47:06,585
caught from the point of view
of an everyday person.
916
00:47:06,586 --> 00:47:09,654
Right? We all remember
the Twin Towers falling down
917
00:47:09,655 --> 00:47:12,274
and that being filmed
on home cameras.
918
00:47:12,275 --> 00:47:16,619
Most of the footage that we saw
of the Twin Towers on 9/11
919
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:17,930
were caught by bystanders,
920
00:47:17,931 --> 00:47:19,723
by pedestrians,
people on the street.
921
00:47:19,724 --> 00:47:22,930
So what we might have assumed,
quite rightly, I think,
922
00:47:22,931 --> 00:47:25,171
to be the beginning of a trend
923
00:47:25,172 --> 00:47:27,516
with found footage
horror vanished.
924
00:47:27,517 --> 00:47:30,102
It just vanished because the
world changed really quickly.
925
00:47:30,103 --> 00:47:31,723
There was national trauma
926
00:47:31,724 --> 00:47:33,516
specifically
in the United States,
927
00:47:33,517 --> 00:47:36,205
but also international trauma,
I think,
928
00:47:36,206 --> 00:47:37,930
in the way
that the United States,
929
00:47:37,931 --> 00:47:40,309
in the way that American film
and American culture
930
00:47:40,310 --> 00:47:41,999
sort of bled out.
931
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,930
So torture porn, what's called
torture porn, really took off.
932
00:47:44,931 --> 00:47:48,033
There are torture porn films
made globally very much
933
00:47:48,034 --> 00:47:51,102
in response to this new world
that we found ourselves in
934
00:47:51,103 --> 00:47:52,654
after September 11th.
935
00:47:52,655 --> 00:47:54,516
And then found footage
horror came along,
936
00:47:54,517 --> 00:47:56,309
and I think a lot of people
think of them
937
00:47:56,310 --> 00:47:57,999
as two separate entities,
938
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,516
two separate subgenres,
and they're really not.
939
00:48:00,517 --> 00:48:02,895
They're both trying
to present realism.
940
00:48:02,896 --> 00:48:05,792
So torture horror
is going for, "Look at this.
941
00:48:05,793 --> 00:48:07,550
This is what a body
actually looks like
942
00:48:07,551 --> 00:48:09,861
when you do these things to it,"
and found footage horror
943
00:48:09,862 --> 00:48:12,447
is saying, "This really
happened, this is really real."
944
00:48:12,448 --> 00:48:14,757
So they're both going towards
this realism thing.
945
00:48:14,758 --> 00:48:16,550
And I think some of
the most interesting films
946
00:48:16,551 --> 00:48:19,585
from by subgenres
is when they kind of collide.
947
00:48:19,586 --> 00:48:21,309
So stuff like
"Megan Is Missing"
948
00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:22,792
or "The Poughkeepsie Tapes"
949
00:48:22,793 --> 00:48:24,964
or the "August Underground"
films.
950
00:48:24,965 --> 00:48:27,481
When the two subgenres collide,
I think, is when we start
951
00:48:27,482 --> 00:48:29,757
to get some really
interesting stuff happening.
952
00:48:29,758 --> 00:48:32,619
One of the powers of cinema
is that it can elicit
953
00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:35,102
strong emotions
and shock and disgust.
954
00:48:35,103 --> 00:48:37,412
You know, it's just one of
a range of emotions
955
00:48:37,413 --> 00:48:39,447
that cinema can elicit.
956
00:48:39,448 --> 00:48:42,516
This, I think,
ties in very fundamentally
957
00:48:42,517 --> 00:48:46,412
to what makes footage horror
so unique,
958
00:48:46,413 --> 00:48:49,550
and I think quite radical
in its own way,
959
00:48:49,551 --> 00:48:53,067
in that traditional story
telling really privileges
960
00:48:53,068 --> 00:48:55,447
narrative and characterization,
961
00:48:55,448 --> 00:48:57,481
whereas these things are
revealed in found footage horror
962
00:48:57,482 --> 00:48:59,930
as being a construct
in and of themselves.
963
00:48:59,931 --> 00:49:03,067
We're really not that interested
in deep characterizations
964
00:49:03,068 --> 00:49:04,688
in these films,
not in the way that we are
965
00:49:04,689 --> 00:49:06,964
with more traditional film
story telling.
966
00:49:06,965 --> 00:49:09,412
The industry's interest
in found footage
967
00:49:09,413 --> 00:49:11,171
has always been cyclical.
968
00:49:11,172 --> 00:49:14,447
And that, to be fair,
is the industry's approach
969
00:49:14,448 --> 00:49:17,930
to any kind of trend,
is to find something
970
00:49:17,931 --> 00:49:20,067
that's been successful,
focus in on it,
971
00:49:20,068 --> 00:49:21,895
try and recreate it,
972
00:49:21,896 --> 00:49:23,930
have loads of people
try and recreate it,
973
00:49:23,931 --> 00:49:26,757
many of them fail,
very few of them succeed.
974
00:49:26,758 --> 00:49:28,964
And then suddenly that thing
is no longer fun or cool
975
00:49:28,965 --> 00:49:32,205
or sell able anymore,
and it drops out of fashion.
976
00:49:32,206 --> 00:49:34,826
Until 5, 10 years later,
977
00:49:34,827 --> 00:49:37,550
someone else makes a really
interesting take on it,
978
00:49:37,551 --> 00:49:39,274
and it comes back
in a fashion with people
979
00:49:39,275 --> 00:49:41,999
trying to recreate
that magic again.
980
00:49:55,137 --> 00:49:57,861
People for the next
found footage movie that came
981
00:49:57,862 --> 00:50:02,102
later, had to sort of tweak
the conceit, tweak the lie
982
00:50:02,103 --> 00:50:03,516
that they were asking of you
983
00:50:03,517 --> 00:50:05,757
to remind you
of "The Blair Witch Project"
984
00:50:05,758 --> 00:50:07,654
without being
the Blair Witch Project.
985
00:50:07,655 --> 00:50:09,757
One of the things I find
really fascinating about
986
00:50:09,758 --> 00:50:13,102
found footage horror is that
in horror and genres in general,
987
00:50:13,103 --> 00:50:15,067
we talk about cycles.
988
00:50:15,068 --> 00:50:17,688
And found footage horror
doesn't really suit that because
989
00:50:17,689 --> 00:50:20,102
it's so responsive
to changes in technology.
990
00:50:20,103 --> 00:50:23,826
So what we have instead of
cycles with found footage horror
991
00:50:23,827 --> 00:50:27,067
is that we have spikes and drops
and spikes and drops.
992
00:50:27,068 --> 00:50:29,240
So every time a new technology
comes along,
993
00:50:29,241 --> 00:50:32,171
a new media technology comes
along, we find these films
994
00:50:32,172 --> 00:50:36,550
responding quite aggressively
and quite radically
995
00:50:36,551 --> 00:50:40,274
in a way that audiences
just are hungry for.
996
00:50:40,275 --> 00:50:42,378
We would not have had
a renaissance of found footage
997
00:50:42,379 --> 00:50:47,378
horror in 2007 if Google hadn't
bought YouTube in 2006.
998
00:50:47,379 --> 00:50:48,688
Full stop.
999
00:50:48,689 --> 00:50:50,550
I think it's created
the perfect storm,
1000
00:50:50,551 --> 00:50:52,861
the perfect incubating chamber
for found footage.
1001
00:50:52,862 --> 00:50:54,930
I mean, it's like
totally acceptable now
1002
00:50:54,931 --> 00:50:58,067
for everybody to videotape
each other, you know?
1003
00:50:58,068 --> 00:51:01,757
Found footage and technology
are kind of intertwined, right?
1004
00:51:01,758 --> 00:51:06,619
The accessibility of
the technology fuels new stories
1005
00:51:06,620 --> 00:51:08,343
to be told with it.
1006
00:51:08,344 --> 00:51:12,102
At the same time, it creates a
new type of visceral experience.
1007
00:51:12,103 --> 00:51:15,999
So YouTube, all of a sudden,
you know, it's not just like,
1008
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,895
oh, here's occasionally this
thing that looks found footage.
1009
00:51:18,896 --> 00:51:21,309
It's like everything
looks found footage, right?
1010
00:51:21,310 --> 00:51:25,619
I think the Internet and
YouTube helped found footage
1011
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:28,412
become more mature
and more interesting
1012
00:51:28,413 --> 00:51:31,999
by actually normalizing
that sort of limited P.O.V.,
1013
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,585
that cinema vérité,
all that in-world,
1014
00:51:35,586 --> 00:51:37,861
in-action kind of situation
1015
00:51:37,862 --> 00:51:39,585
where you're looking
at something crazy
1016
00:51:39,586 --> 00:51:42,895
through these grainy,
shaky cam kind of views.
1017
00:51:42,896 --> 00:51:47,378
So it just made what was a new
format an everyday format.
1018
00:51:47,379 --> 00:51:50,895
The Internet became
where footage could be found
1019
00:51:50,896 --> 00:51:52,792
for a lot of people
in real life.
1020
00:51:52,793 --> 00:51:55,136
So rather than that
sort of "Stand By Me",
1021
00:51:55,137 --> 00:51:57,067
hey, do you want to see the body
down by the tracks,
1022
00:51:57,068 --> 00:51:59,654
we'll go in poker with a stick,
it became,
1023
00:51:59,655 --> 00:52:01,792
"Have you seen this link?
I found it on the Internet."
1024
00:52:01,793 --> 00:52:03,895
Something starts going down
in real life.
1025
00:52:03,896 --> 00:52:05,585
You're almost always...
There's somebody there.
1026
00:52:05,586 --> 00:52:07,861
I mean, there is somebody there
with a camera to capture it.
1027
00:52:07,862 --> 00:52:10,102
If a cop pulls you over,
you videotape it.
1028
00:52:10,103 --> 00:52:12,516
You know, if you're asking
somebody to marry you,
1029
00:52:12,517 --> 00:52:14,067
you know, somebody
is videotaping.
1030
00:52:14,068 --> 00:52:16,067
So I think that pretty much
everybody on the Earth,
1031
00:52:16,068 --> 00:52:17,757
you know, obviously
there are exceptions,
1032
00:52:17,758 --> 00:52:19,999
but most people on the earth
have a phone.
1033
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,309
On the one hand, you would
expect it to like help
1034
00:52:22,310 --> 00:52:25,930
the found footage genre in that,
like we're used to that.
1035
00:52:25,931 --> 00:52:28,999
On the other hand, because
we are now sort of
1036
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,309
it's a thing that we have
experience of every single day,
1037
00:52:31,310 --> 00:52:36,654
we're better at seeing
the seams when it's not real,
1038
00:52:36,655 --> 00:52:38,447
but we're much better
at picking up on,
1039
00:52:38,448 --> 00:52:40,274
okay, this is actually
found footage,
1040
00:52:40,275 --> 00:52:44,067
this is an actual person
versus this is a staged thing.
1041
00:52:44,068 --> 00:52:45,999
We've all, you know,
gotten much better
1042
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,274
at determining the bullshit
from the from the real.
1043
00:52:49,275 --> 00:52:51,930
And I think that in some ways
is a disservice to people
1044
00:52:51,931 --> 00:52:54,412
making found footage movies
of the sort that are trying to
1045
00:52:54,413 --> 00:52:57,688
sort of feel real because it
gets that much more difficult.
1046
00:52:57,689 --> 00:53:00,999
I think found footage
rises up in moments
1047
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,447
where it's culturally
significant.
1048
00:53:03,448 --> 00:53:04,999
The tools are accessible,
1049
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,895
and there's something
that somebody wants to tell
1050
00:53:06,896 --> 00:53:09,136
that's a reflection of the world
that we live in.
1051
00:53:09,137 --> 00:53:12,240
We're looking for what?
Weapons of mass destruction.
1052
00:53:12,241 --> 00:53:14,171
- Weapons of mass destruction?
- That's right.
1053
00:53:14,172 --> 00:53:15,999
I don't give a shit what
anybody says.
1054
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,550
They're here, and we're
going to find them.
1055
00:53:17,551 --> 00:53:19,481
There is nothing here,
and you know it!
1056
00:53:19,482 --> 00:53:21,205
- What are you...
- last week!
1057
00:53:21,206 --> 00:53:23,619
- There's nothing here.
- They're just like,
1058
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:25,102
Oh, you rip them up.
1059
00:53:25,103 --> 00:53:26,861
They're all back
the next day, aren't they?
1060
00:53:26,862 --> 00:53:29,585
- She's a 15-year-old girl.
- She's a 15-year-old girl.
1061
00:53:29,586 --> 00:53:31,274
We're going to
accomplish this mission.
1062
00:53:31,275 --> 00:53:32,688
- Don't do this.
- We are going to conquer
1063
00:53:32,689 --> 00:53:34,585
the human race.
1064
00:53:34,586 --> 00:53:37,274
She's a cunt, just like
everybody else
1065
00:53:37,275 --> 00:53:38,861
in this fucking country..
1066
00:53:38,862 --> 00:53:41,274
We have this really
interesting trajectory,
1067
00:53:41,275 --> 00:53:44,136
I think historically between,
I guess, what we might call
1068
00:53:44,137 --> 00:53:46,999
the first wave of found footage,
horror with.
1069
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,412
"Blair Witch Project" and then
what happened around 2007.
1070
00:53:51,413 --> 00:53:54,930
Look at this fucking guy,
chowing down while his buddies
1071
00:53:54,931 --> 00:53:56,723
are shoving a corpse
in the back of the van.
1072
00:53:56,724 --> 00:53:58,136
Okay, I'm ready. Let's do it.
1073
00:53:58,137 --> 00:54:00,033
Some of this footage
was never broadcast.
1074
00:54:00,034 --> 00:54:02,930
It was secretly uploaded
by the cameraman who shot it.
1075
00:54:02,931 --> 00:54:06,205
It was his way of trying
to tell the truth
1076
00:54:06,206 --> 00:54:07,343
about what was happening.
1077
00:54:07,344 --> 00:54:09,792
Bree Reno reporting
live from Homestead,
1078
00:54:09,793 --> 00:54:12,619
where tragedy befell
an immigrant family.
1079
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:14,792
An unidentified man
has shot his wife
1080
00:54:14,793 --> 00:54:16,964
and 16-year-old son to death
1081
00:54:16,965 --> 00:54:19,067
before turning the gun
on himself.
1082
00:54:19,068 --> 00:54:21,930
All of these big name
filmmakers in their second phase
1083
00:54:21,931 --> 00:54:25,481
started making
found footage horror films.
1084
00:54:25,482 --> 00:54:28,067
And it's very, very interesting,
I think with the case of
1085
00:54:28,068 --> 00:54:30,792
"auteur" directors, especially
auteur genre directors
1086
00:54:30,793 --> 00:54:33,792
like Romero and De Palma,
1087
00:54:33,793 --> 00:54:36,205
because they were riffing
on conventions
1088
00:54:36,206 --> 00:54:39,102
that were already established
by "Blair Witch Project."
1089
00:54:39,103 --> 00:54:43,205
So what they were really doing
was taking these conventions
1090
00:54:43,206 --> 00:54:47,171
and reimagining them
or even rebranding them.
1091
00:54:47,172 --> 00:54:51,378
Through their own particular
authorial signature.
1092
00:54:51,379 --> 00:54:54,930
When you look at, you know,
directors like George Romero
1093
00:54:54,931 --> 00:54:57,378
or you look at directors
like Brian De Palma
1094
00:54:57,379 --> 00:55:00,826
or anyone else who is trying
to express themselves
1095
00:55:00,827 --> 00:55:04,688
or find a way
to tell their story in a medium
1096
00:55:04,689 --> 00:55:07,171
that can be done
in a variety of ways,
1097
00:55:07,172 --> 00:55:09,205
you know, like, you could go
back and you can say,
1098
00:55:09,206 --> 00:55:11,309
"Oh, well, De Palma was doing
interesting things with.
1099
00:55:11,310 --> 00:55:14,826
'Hi, Mom!', you know, or was
doing interesting things
1100
00:55:14,827 --> 00:55:17,550
in the early parts of his work
where he's finding
1101
00:55:17,551 --> 00:55:19,757
influence from documentaries."
1102
00:55:19,758 --> 00:55:21,102
George Romero did
"Diary of the Dead."
1103
00:55:21,103 --> 00:55:22,757
I thought that was like
really cool.
1104
00:55:22,758 --> 00:55:26,378
I thought it was fun
to take it that way in
1105
00:55:26,379 --> 00:55:27,930
the "Of the Dead" series.
1106
00:55:27,931 --> 00:55:30,102
But I think by the time
he did that,
1107
00:55:30,103 --> 00:55:32,343
he didn't do that
to pioneer the genre.
1108
00:55:32,344 --> 00:55:34,930
He did that because the genre
was already taking off.
1109
00:55:34,931 --> 00:55:36,757
You know, it was just a craze.
1110
00:55:36,758 --> 00:55:38,412
It was like a phase,
you know, like a fad.
1111
00:55:38,413 --> 00:55:40,619
You know, I think they just...
They're just ideas that work
1112
00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:42,550
well in the found footage
medium, and they were like,
1113
00:55:42,551 --> 00:55:43,723
"Let's just do it found footage
1114
00:55:43,724 --> 00:55:44,861
and let's just shoot it
this way.
1115
00:55:44,862 --> 00:55:46,481
We'd heard that George Romero
1116
00:55:46,482 --> 00:55:49,067
was making "Diary of the Dead",
and the concept of that
1117
00:55:49,068 --> 00:55:51,516
was it was another
of his "Dead" series
1118
00:55:51,517 --> 00:55:53,274
but shot like
"The Blair Witch Project."
1119
00:55:53,275 --> 00:55:56,309
And that was exactly
the premise of our film.
1120
00:55:56,310 --> 00:55:59,999
Yeah. Any last minute
confessions before we head
1121
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,136
into the countryside
to pursue this documentary?
1122
00:56:03,137 --> 00:56:05,688
Yeah. Thanks, but this is not
my good side, by the way.
1123
00:56:05,689 --> 00:56:07,619
When we were making the film,
all we really wanted
1124
00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:09,102
was some sort of DVD release
1125
00:56:09,103 --> 00:56:11,412
just to try and get our foot
in the door somehow.
1126
00:56:11,413 --> 00:56:14,309
But when "Diary of the Dead"
came out, that was so...
1127
00:56:14,310 --> 00:56:17,343
It was huge for us because
we secured UK distribution
1128
00:56:17,344 --> 00:56:20,309
straight away, and the
Weinstein Company in the U.S.
1129
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:22,447
had purchased the rights
to "Dawn of the Dead"
1130
00:56:22,448 --> 00:56:24,205
for the American market.
1131
00:56:24,206 --> 00:56:25,999
And because there was
this other film out there
1132
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,171
that was competing,
they paid quite a lot of money
1133
00:56:28,172 --> 00:56:31,895
to take our film off the shelf,
so to speak,
1134
00:56:31,896 --> 00:56:34,343
so they control both releases.
1135
00:56:34,344 --> 00:56:37,171
And that's what happened,
"Diary of the Dead" in the U.S.
1136
00:56:37,172 --> 00:56:39,964
came out first, and then our
film followed afterwards
1137
00:56:39,965 --> 00:56:41,516
because our film
was the smaller film.
1138
00:56:41,517 --> 00:56:43,964
So we kind of felt a bit
like "The Last Broadcast" guys,
1139
00:56:43,965 --> 00:56:46,757
and they had a similar premise
to "Blair Witch."
1140
00:56:46,758 --> 00:56:48,171
It was a year before,
1141
00:56:48,172 --> 00:56:49,999
but in some ways,
they were sort of seen
1142
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,136
as being a rip off of
"The Blair Witch Project",
1143
00:56:52,137 --> 00:56:53,930
which wasn't true,
and we were accused of
1144
00:56:53,931 --> 00:56:55,585
the same thing back then.
1145
00:56:55,586 --> 00:56:57,309
I was sort of, "Oh, you know,
I can't believe these people
1146
00:56:57,310 --> 00:56:59,585
have made a rip off of
George Romero's film.
1147
00:56:59,586 --> 00:57:01,274
How dare they?"
1148
00:57:01,275 --> 00:57:03,240
But they didn't really know
the truth behind it.
1149
00:57:03,241 --> 00:57:04,964
We'd shot the film in 2005.
1150
00:57:04,965 --> 00:57:07,102
That's what's wrong with them.
1151
00:57:07,103 --> 00:57:08,792
Oh, God!
1152
00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:11,378
There's others.
1153
00:57:12,827 --> 00:57:14,343
Try the head, try the head!
1154
00:57:14,344 --> 00:57:16,688
Yeah, shoot him in the head.
Shoot him the head!
1155
00:57:18,586 --> 00:57:21,343
Horror mokumentaries that
incorporate elements
1156
00:57:21,344 --> 00:57:23,964
of found footage horror
into them in that
1157
00:57:23,965 --> 00:57:25,516
there is found footage
within them
1158
00:57:25,517 --> 00:57:29,240
and they really structure
the narratives of that film,
1159
00:57:29,241 --> 00:57:32,067
but they also incorporate
other documentary modes.
1160
00:57:32,068 --> 00:57:34,723
So we have our interviews
and documents
1161
00:57:34,724 --> 00:57:37,481
and other kinds of material
1162
00:57:37,482 --> 00:57:39,240
that are incorporated
in these films.
1163
00:57:39,241 --> 00:57:42,171
We received a call around
6:00 p.m. tonight
1164
00:57:42,172 --> 00:57:44,516
over a missing girl,
and on discovering
1165
00:57:44,517 --> 00:57:46,136
the nature of the situation,
we called in
1166
00:57:46,137 --> 00:57:48,240
the search and rescue divers
from Melbourne.
1167
00:57:48,241 --> 00:57:51,343
Police divers into
the water around 10:00.
1168
00:57:51,344 --> 00:57:54,309
It adds a kind of atmosphere
to the movies
1169
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:57,102
that the best found footage
really capitalize on.
1170
00:57:57,103 --> 00:57:59,550
It almost feels like
going into the bedroom
1171
00:57:59,551 --> 00:58:02,102
of somebody who's died
and you're seeing something
1172
00:58:02,103 --> 00:58:03,999
that wasn't meant to be seen,
1173
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,688
especially if it's
home movie footage.
1174
00:58:05,689 --> 00:58:08,412
And I think that it's
a different kind of horror.
1175
00:58:08,413 --> 00:58:10,964
One of the things
that fascinated me,
1176
00:58:10,965 --> 00:58:14,412
talking to Joel about what we
could do with his story was,
1177
00:58:14,413 --> 00:58:18,240
you know, the idea that when
you can convince an audience
1178
00:58:18,241 --> 00:58:22,343
that what they're watching is
true because of the form
1179
00:58:22,344 --> 00:58:24,550
that it's in... it's
a documentary so it's true...
1180
00:58:24,551 --> 00:58:27,688
And the idea that a picture
is a thousand words,
1181
00:58:27,689 --> 00:58:29,412
the pictures are truth.
1182
00:58:29,413 --> 00:58:32,067
I think people have always known
that images can be manipulated,
1183
00:58:32,068 --> 00:58:33,654
but on face value,
if they don't think
1184
00:58:33,655 --> 00:58:36,654
it's a narrative construction,
they're going to believe
1185
00:58:36,655 --> 00:58:38,102
what they see.
1186
00:58:38,103 --> 00:58:39,550
That kind of authentic
found footage movies
1187
00:58:39,551 --> 00:58:41,619
that are in the home video
style, they work best
1188
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:43,723
probably the first couple of
times when you have that
1189
00:58:43,724 --> 00:58:46,136
visceral reaction,
the idea that you're seeing
1190
00:58:46,137 --> 00:58:48,826
an artifact from somebody
who's no longer here.
1191
00:58:48,827 --> 00:58:50,964
Maybe that's a difference
between the more constructed
1192
00:58:50,965 --> 00:58:53,343
form and the more unedited form.
1193
00:58:53,344 --> 00:58:55,412
What makes these films
so special, though,
1194
00:58:55,413 --> 00:58:58,585
and I think really powerful,
is how they straddle something
1195
00:58:58,586 --> 00:59:02,205
that I feel is very crucial
to found footage specifically,
1196
00:59:02,206 --> 00:59:05,240
but also perhaps horror
mockumentary more generally,
1197
00:59:05,241 --> 00:59:08,378
which is a tension between
the supernatural and the real,
1198
00:59:08,379 --> 00:59:11,654
which ties into the game
of found footage horror,
1199
00:59:11,655 --> 00:59:13,067
which is it real or isn't it?
1200
00:59:13,068 --> 00:59:15,550
Paco Plaza and I started to
talk about "Rec",
1201
00:59:15,551 --> 00:59:19,102
it was doing a conversation,
because we wanted to find a way
1202
00:59:19,103 --> 00:59:22,240
to increase horror
in horror movies,
1203
00:59:22,241 --> 00:59:25,792
to make the audience
more involved in the story
1204
00:59:25,793 --> 00:59:28,274
and in the horror experience.
1205
00:59:28,275 --> 00:59:31,585
And then we decided that
TV language of some kind
1206
00:59:31,586 --> 00:59:35,792
of TV shows like "Cops"
were very, very interesting.
1207
00:59:35,793 --> 00:59:38,343
We wanted to use this kind of
language more than
1208
00:59:38,344 --> 00:59:40,585
the found footage language
because they're actually Rec.
1209
00:59:40,586 --> 00:59:43,964
It's not about some tapes found
and then edited to be shown
1210
00:59:43,965 --> 00:59:45,999
to the audience.
1211
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,240
"Rec" is more like
a live TV show.
1212
00:59:49,241 --> 00:59:51,723
The idea was to put
the eye of the audience
1213
00:59:51,724 --> 00:59:53,205
inside the lens of the camera
1214
00:59:53,206 --> 00:59:57,102
and let the audience be part
of the story.
1215
00:59:57,103 --> 00:59:59,447
"Rec" was definitely a film
that I watched
1216
00:59:59,448 --> 01:00:02,481
when preparing
for a part in "143",
1217
01:00:02,482 --> 01:00:06,136
because a lot of people
tend to think of found footage
1218
01:00:06,137 --> 01:00:08,205
as giving the camera
to the actors
1219
01:00:08,206 --> 01:00:09,826
and just letting stuff happen.
1220
01:00:09,827 --> 01:00:12,274
Whereas "Rec" was
very carefully constructed,
1221
01:00:12,275 --> 01:00:14,067
very carefully choreographed.
1222
01:00:14,068 --> 01:00:15,654
The actors weren't
operating the camera.
1223
01:00:15,655 --> 01:00:19,171
There was a real cameraman.
The DP was operating the camera.
1224
01:00:19,172 --> 01:00:22,309
And they would rehearse for
hours until they finally
1225
01:00:22,310 --> 01:00:23,688
would get the shot.
1226
01:00:23,689 --> 01:00:27,136
I think the found footage genre
is something
1227
01:00:27,137 --> 01:00:29,102
that can be very interesting.
1228
01:00:29,103 --> 01:00:31,309
It's like a challenge
to find new ways
1229
01:00:31,310 --> 01:00:35,309
of story telling using this
new concept of the genre.
1230
01:01:48,310 --> 01:01:49,826
One of the most important
things to me about
1231
01:01:49,827 --> 01:01:52,274
found footage horror
is the kind of democracy.
1232
01:01:52,275 --> 01:01:55,102
There's an economic democracy
in the sense
1233
01:01:55,103 --> 01:01:56,654
that anybody can make them.
1234
01:01:56,655 --> 01:01:59,516
You can make a found footage
film on your phone.
1235
01:01:59,517 --> 01:02:02,516
You don't need to be working
at a big Hollywood studio.
1236
01:02:02,517 --> 01:02:04,999
You don't need to have
a blockbuster budget
1237
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,654
to do these things.
1238
01:02:06,655 --> 01:02:09,516
And in fact, you can have big
blockbuster Hollywood movies
1239
01:02:09,517 --> 01:02:12,171
trying to look
like amateur films.
1240
01:02:12,172 --> 01:02:15,792
So what that does is it opens up
the possibility
1241
01:02:15,793 --> 01:02:18,895
and the potential
and the opportunity for people
1242
01:02:18,896 --> 01:02:23,274
to make films who normally are
excluded from making films.
1243
01:02:45,517 --> 01:02:48,136
"Paranormal" really hit
in a huge way where you're like,
1244
01:02:48,137 --> 01:02:50,757
"It's back," because
a generation has gone by since.
1245
01:02:50,758 --> 01:02:53,205
"Blair Witch"
and "Last Broadcast"
1246
01:02:53,206 --> 01:02:57,136
and these other movies coming
out that was unaware of this.
1247
01:02:57,137 --> 01:02:59,585
Many, many, many people
who saw "Paranormal Activity"
1248
01:02:59,586 --> 01:03:00,964
didn't remember
"The Blair Witch",
1249
01:03:00,965 --> 01:03:02,585
never seen it.
1250
01:03:02,586 --> 01:03:04,688
It had fallen out of
the cultural consciousness
1251
01:03:04,689 --> 01:03:07,619
for a lot of people,
particularly younger people.
1252
01:03:07,620 --> 01:03:10,343
So "Paranormal Activity"
got a second bite at that apple.
1253
01:03:10,344 --> 01:03:13,585
The concept is a couple
that's filming themselves.
1254
01:03:13,586 --> 01:03:15,723
So you're watching the footage
that they would
1255
01:03:15,724 --> 01:03:17,067
have been filming.
1256
01:03:17,068 --> 01:03:18,516
So it kind of made
a lot of sense.
1257
01:03:18,517 --> 01:03:20,930
"Paranormal Activity"
came along and kind of
1258
01:03:20,931 --> 01:03:23,447
replicated, as much as possible,
1259
01:03:23,448 --> 01:03:25,757
"The Blair Witch"
kind of phenomenon.
1260
01:03:25,758 --> 01:03:28,309
Probably my most direct
inspiration would have been.
1261
01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:29,654
"The Blair Witch Project."
1262
01:03:29,655 --> 01:03:32,481
Another one worth mentioning
is "Ghost watch."
1263
01:03:32,482 --> 01:03:35,550
I didn't have any background
in film,
1264
01:03:35,551 --> 01:03:37,792
and I wouldn't have known
how to operate the film camera,
1265
01:03:37,793 --> 01:03:39,826
and it just would have been
too complex.
1266
01:03:39,827 --> 01:03:42,171
But with the introduction
of a high quality,
1267
01:03:42,172 --> 01:03:44,895
high definition video cameras,
I thought to myself,
1268
01:03:44,896 --> 01:03:48,343
"Well, I guess I can do it all.
I can buy a video camera,
1269
01:03:48,344 --> 01:03:50,067
transfer the footage
to a computer,
1270
01:03:50,068 --> 01:03:51,516
edit everything together."
1271
01:03:51,517 --> 01:03:53,102
And, you know, that's something
that I would feel
1272
01:03:53,103 --> 01:03:54,619
pretty comfortable doing.
1273
01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:57,861
And Blumhouse, you know,
was really clever in the way
1274
01:03:57,862 --> 01:04:01,274
that they marketed the movie
and got the movie out there.
1275
01:04:01,275 --> 01:04:03,792
I filmed "Paranormal Activity"
kind of totally in secret.
1276
01:04:03,793 --> 01:04:06,067
I didn't tell anyone that wasn't
directly involved
1277
01:04:06,068 --> 01:04:08,550
in the film making,
which wasn't a lot of people,
1278
01:04:08,551 --> 01:04:10,654
that I'm making a movie.
1279
01:04:10,655 --> 01:04:13,516
So no one at my day job
knew about it.
1280
01:04:13,517 --> 01:04:16,723
And what happened was that
after the movie premiered
1281
01:04:16,724 --> 01:04:19,481
at Scream Fest and I became
confident that something
1282
01:04:19,482 --> 01:04:21,033
is going to happen,
and shortly after that,
1283
01:04:21,034 --> 01:04:22,585
we had a deal with Dream Works,
1284
01:04:22,586 --> 01:04:25,723
I started like really not caring
about my day job.
1285
01:04:25,724 --> 01:04:28,343
I was just staying there
to collect a paycheck.
1286
01:04:28,344 --> 01:04:30,067
That's when Adam Goodman
got promoted
1287
01:04:30,068 --> 01:04:32,654
to president of Paramount,
and they were setting up
1288
01:04:32,655 --> 01:04:35,309
test screenings and trying
to get everything going.
1289
01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:36,688
So I knew I had to go up to L.A.
1290
01:04:36,689 --> 01:04:38,826
all the time to be there
for the test screenings,
1291
01:04:38,827 --> 01:04:41,343
and they wouldn't give me
the time off,
1292
01:04:41,344 --> 01:04:43,826
and I would go anyway
until they fired me.
1293
01:04:43,827 --> 01:04:47,412
But at that point, we already
had like the release,
1294
01:04:47,413 --> 01:04:50,171
you know, moving forward,
so I wasn't too worried.
1295
01:04:50,172 --> 01:04:52,102
So we had
really great screenings.
1296
01:04:52,103 --> 01:04:55,274
The first one would have been
at Scream Fest,
1297
01:04:55,275 --> 01:04:57,516
and we had a fantastic
response from the audience,
1298
01:04:57,517 --> 01:04:59,136
and then we got great reviews
1299
01:04:59,137 --> 01:05:02,378
and people would come right
after the movie and tell me,
1300
01:05:02,379 --> 01:05:03,930
"This is going to be
the next 'Blair Witch'."
1301
01:05:03,931 --> 01:05:06,205
And a week later, when we
came back for the awards show,
1302
01:05:06,206 --> 01:05:08,654
people were telling me that they
saw the movie a week ago
1303
01:05:08,655 --> 01:05:09,999
and they were
still having nightmares.
1304
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,516
Just the whole idea
of that bedroom
1305
01:05:12,517 --> 01:05:16,447
and that voyeuristic feel
of being a fly on the wall
1306
01:05:16,448 --> 01:05:18,343
while waiting
for something to happen
1307
01:05:18,344 --> 01:05:19,688
and the feeling of dread
1308
01:05:19,689 --> 01:05:22,447
that that movie generates
works really well.
1309
01:05:22,448 --> 01:05:25,550
I would have been very happy
if the movie just got released
1310
01:05:25,551 --> 01:05:27,550
and did all right.
1311
01:05:27,551 --> 01:05:29,481
That would have been enough
for me to be like,
1312
01:05:29,482 --> 01:05:30,895
"I can't believe it.
1313
01:05:30,896 --> 01:05:32,378
I made a movie,
and it's actually on the screens
1314
01:05:32,379 --> 01:05:33,826
and people are watching it."
1315
01:05:33,827 --> 01:05:35,619
The fact that it ended up
doing as well as it did
1316
01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:38,516
was kind of, you know,
mind blowing for all of us.
1317
01:05:38,517 --> 01:05:40,274
It was very surreal.
1318
01:05:40,275 --> 01:05:43,654
Like, well, we made this little
movie in my house with no crew,
1319
01:05:43,655 --> 01:05:45,619
and now it's like
this big thing.
1320
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:49,240
So very humbling and very cool.
1321
01:05:57,724 --> 01:06:01,102
"Cloverfield", firstly,
was a much larger budget film
1322
01:06:01,103 --> 01:06:02,792
that was relying on CGI,
1323
01:06:02,793 --> 01:06:08,619
and there wasn't really that
element of possible truthness
1324
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:11,136
to it because nobody
would think,
1325
01:06:11,137 --> 01:06:12,585
"Oh, there really was a monster
1326
01:06:12,586 --> 01:06:14,033
walking around New York
and kicking buildings
1327
01:06:14,034 --> 01:06:15,757
and someone happened
to get the footage of it."
1328
01:06:15,758 --> 01:06:17,585
So it was presented
in a very cool way,
1329
01:06:17,586 --> 01:06:20,067
but it wasn't really kind of
hitting the same nerve.
1330
01:06:20,068 --> 01:06:23,378
It was just kind of like more
of a fun spectacle to watch.
1331
01:06:23,379 --> 01:06:25,688
It's actually
a big budget movie,
1332
01:06:25,689 --> 01:06:27,861
which a lot of people
like sort of had a problem with
1333
01:06:27,862 --> 01:06:29,861
because they think that
found footage has to be done
1334
01:06:29,862 --> 01:06:32,205
on the cheap,
but I just thought.
1335
01:06:32,206 --> 01:06:34,757
"Cloverfield"
was a very compelling story.
1336
01:06:34,758 --> 01:06:38,654
The fact that it did well,
I did think kind of give me
1337
01:06:38,655 --> 01:06:40,550
a little bit extra confidence
that, yeah,
1338
01:06:40,551 --> 01:06:43,688
maybe the world is ready
for another found footage movie.
1339
01:06:43,689 --> 01:06:47,619
I thought it was really cool to
to tell a very sort of small
1340
01:06:47,620 --> 01:06:51,412
romantic film within
the context of a city
1341
01:06:51,413 --> 01:06:53,481
being besieged by Godzilla.
1342
01:06:53,482 --> 01:06:55,516
This isn't happening.
1343
01:06:57,689 --> 01:06:59,792
Exorcisms or possessions
1344
01:06:59,793 --> 01:07:02,826
or sightings of the Yeti
or the Loch Ness Monster,
1345
01:07:02,827 --> 01:07:04,861
there's always stuff
that you hear about, you know,
1346
01:07:04,862 --> 01:07:08,481
like an urban legend,
or you read about,
1347
01:07:08,482 --> 01:07:09,861
but you've never actually seen.
1348
01:07:09,862 --> 01:07:12,171
One is visual prove
that a girl was possessed
1349
01:07:12,172 --> 01:07:15,274
and levitated, but no one can
really see it.
1350
01:07:15,275 --> 01:07:16,826
Whereas with found footage,
1351
01:07:16,827 --> 01:07:19,792
the idea is that
it's an accident.
1352
01:07:19,793 --> 01:07:21,930
Someone was filming
something else,
1353
01:07:21,931 --> 01:07:23,792
and they just happened
to have a camera.
1354
01:07:23,793 --> 01:07:27,171
And something extraordinary
happened before their eyes.
1355
01:07:27,172 --> 01:07:28,895
So they were just lucky enough
1356
01:07:28,896 --> 01:07:31,930
to be able to catch it
on camera.
1357
01:07:33,517 --> 01:07:35,136
Caitlin!
1358
01:07:36,896 --> 01:07:40,550
The script of "Apartment 143"
is a straight narrative.
1359
01:07:40,551 --> 01:07:42,274
It's like a regular film,
1360
01:07:42,275 --> 01:07:45,516
and the challenge is to tell it
in a very unconventional way.
1361
01:07:45,517 --> 01:07:48,067
The point was,
here's this ghost story.
1362
01:07:48,068 --> 01:07:50,378
But instead of having
omniscient camera,
1363
01:07:50,379 --> 01:07:52,654
instead of just doing it
traditionally,
1364
01:07:52,655 --> 01:07:54,895
every single camera
and every single shot
1365
01:07:54,896 --> 01:07:57,619
that appears in the film
has to be justified,
1366
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:59,619
and it has to be filmed
1367
01:07:59,620 --> 01:08:01,723
by one of the characters
within the movie.
1368
01:08:01,724 --> 01:08:04,654
To me, that narrative challenge
was very appealing.
1369
01:08:04,655 --> 01:08:06,447
You know, you still have
to convey scares
1370
01:08:06,448 --> 01:08:09,619
and you have to create tension,
but you can do it in normal ways
1371
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:11,550
because there was
no omniscient camera.
1372
01:08:11,551 --> 01:08:13,654
So if you needed like
a push in on a character
1373
01:08:13,655 --> 01:08:15,516
to create tension,
you couldn't do it.
1374
01:08:15,517 --> 01:08:17,033
So you would have to create
a situation
1375
01:08:17,034 --> 01:08:19,930
where another character
was filming that character
1376
01:08:19,931 --> 01:08:21,516
and there would be something
in the background,
1377
01:08:21,517 --> 01:08:23,136
and they would have
to get closer.
1378
01:08:23,137 --> 01:08:25,136
And in doing that, you would
generate the tension, right?
1379
01:08:25,137 --> 01:08:27,930
Or if suddenly you wanted
to cut to a wide shot,
1380
01:08:27,931 --> 01:08:30,033
well, you know, you wouldn't
have a traditional wide shot.
1381
01:08:30,034 --> 01:08:33,343
You would have to justify that
someone had set up a camera,
1382
01:08:33,344 --> 01:08:34,964
security camera somewhere,
1383
01:08:34,965 --> 01:08:36,999
and then you would cut
to the wide shot.
1384
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,930
But the idea was to
convey scares
1385
01:08:39,931 --> 01:08:44,447
as effectively as in a normal
movie, but using an alternative.
1386
01:08:44,448 --> 01:08:50,757
We started pre-production
for "Apartment 143" in May 2010.
1387
01:08:50,758 --> 01:08:53,343
At that point, only the first
"Paranormal Activity"
1388
01:08:53,344 --> 01:08:54,585
was in theaters.
1389
01:08:54,586 --> 01:08:56,171
By the time that
we finished shooting,
1390
01:08:56,172 --> 01:08:58,861
"Paranormal Activity 2",
which was the first one
1391
01:08:58,862 --> 01:09:00,550
to introduce security cameras
and stuff
1392
01:09:00,551 --> 01:09:02,205
hadn't come out, right?
1393
01:09:02,206 --> 01:09:04,205
So I feel that we did pioneer
a lot of visual techniques,
1394
01:09:04,206 --> 01:09:07,688
and we did use a lot
of really original stuff.
1395
01:09:07,689 --> 01:09:10,895
However, the film took two years
to be released.
1396
01:09:10,896 --> 01:09:12,826
So by the time
the movie was released,
1397
01:09:12,827 --> 01:09:14,378
a lot of films had come out
1398
01:09:14,379 --> 01:09:17,619
since that were using stuff
that we had been using.
1399
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:19,861
So it looked like
we were copying those films.
1400
01:09:19,862 --> 01:09:21,964
It looked like we were
ripping off those films.
1401
01:09:21,965 --> 01:09:24,240
You know, I'd go see
"The Last Exorcism",
1402
01:09:24,241 --> 01:09:26,757
and I'd see that they were
doing stuff that we were doing.
1403
01:09:26,758 --> 01:09:29,205
And I'm like, "Oh, shoot,"
you know, like, "Okay."
1404
01:09:29,206 --> 01:09:30,999
And they've already come out,
you know?
1405
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,447
And then I'd go see
"Paranormal Activity 2",
1406
01:09:34,448 --> 01:09:36,171
and there were like
security cameras
1407
01:09:36,172 --> 01:09:39,136
and they were using all of our,
you know, narrative resources.
1408
01:09:39,137 --> 01:09:41,136
And I was like,
"Oh, man, they did it, too."
1409
01:09:41,137 --> 01:09:44,136
So I felt that by
like not be released,
1410
01:09:44,137 --> 01:09:46,757
like the longer it took
for our film to be released,
1411
01:09:46,758 --> 01:09:48,619
the less impactful
it was going to be.
1412
01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:50,171
We had distribution
from the get go,
1413
01:09:50,172 --> 01:09:54,274
but the post-production process
was very long
1414
01:09:54,275 --> 01:09:57,067
and also the distributors felt
that maybe it was better
1415
01:09:57,068 --> 01:09:59,792
for the film to come out
when there were more
1416
01:09:59,793 --> 01:10:02,171
found footage films around
to sort of catch
1417
01:10:02,172 --> 01:10:04,309
the found footage wave
and come out on top,
1418
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:07,447
you know, because there'd be
a higher demand for those
1419
01:10:07,448 --> 01:10:10,999
kind of films, which in a way,
was the right decision because
1420
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,516
the film was quite successful,
but at the same time,
1421
01:10:14,517 --> 01:10:18,136
we were destroyed by critics
and by a lot of bloggers
1422
01:10:18,137 --> 01:10:21,723
because they said that we were
ripping off all these films,
1423
01:10:21,724 --> 01:10:23,447
that we were actually
not ripping off.
1424
01:10:25,034 --> 01:10:28,309
So I think it's really tricky
to do high quality,
1425
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:32,171
high budget found footage
because there's always
1426
01:10:32,172 --> 01:10:35,895
the temptation of making things
look and sound too good
1427
01:10:35,896 --> 01:10:39,067
and then things just end up
not feeling authentic.
1428
01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:41,378
I don't think that
"What We Do In the Shadows"
1429
01:10:41,379 --> 01:10:45,033
was a huge budget, but still it
wasn't a micro-budget,
1430
01:10:45,034 --> 01:10:47,654
and they managed to make it
look nice and good
1431
01:10:47,655 --> 01:10:50,895
and still feel very authentic
just because they had the story.
1432
01:10:50,896 --> 01:10:53,481
There's a professional film crew
that's filming it.
1433
01:10:53,482 --> 01:10:55,274
So there are always ways
you can get around it.
1434
01:10:55,275 --> 01:10:58,481
But I think it's very important
for everyone to think
1435
01:10:58,482 --> 01:11:03,274
if this was happening for real,
whether it's for a documentary
1436
01:11:03,275 --> 01:11:05,964
or found footage, if this was
happening for real,
1437
01:11:05,965 --> 01:11:07,654
is this how it would look like?
1438
01:11:07,655 --> 01:11:08,895
And if the answer is no,
then you know
1439
01:11:08,896 --> 01:11:10,516
you're doing something wrong.
1440
01:11:10,517 --> 01:11:13,412
There are movies that have,
you know, cost $200 million
1441
01:11:13,413 --> 01:11:15,102
to make and people go
and watch them,
1442
01:11:15,103 --> 01:11:16,757
and they're like, "Eh,
this is not very good."
1443
01:11:16,758 --> 01:11:19,688
Right? And so the amount of
money or how good a movie looks
1444
01:11:19,689 --> 01:11:22,792
is not a is not really
what determines
1445
01:11:22,793 --> 01:11:25,102
whether or not an audience
connects with it.
1446
01:11:26,793 --> 01:11:28,895
Troll!
1447
01:11:34,586 --> 01:11:37,654
On "Troll hunter", to make sure
that everything felt real,
1448
01:11:37,655 --> 01:11:42,412
we had to almost not story board
it, not plan it much.
1449
01:11:42,413 --> 01:11:44,585
We had to talk to the VFX...
1450
01:11:44,586 --> 01:11:48,274
We always had a VFX supervisor
on set, but we had to agree
1451
01:11:48,275 --> 01:11:52,378
in advance about rules for what
we can do and what we cannot do
1452
01:11:52,379 --> 01:11:55,067
on a relatively low budget.
1453
01:11:55,068 --> 01:11:58,205
As a director,
doing a found footage film,
1454
01:11:58,206 --> 01:12:00,861
one of the big learning
experiences for me
1455
01:12:00,862 --> 01:12:03,309
was the fact
that I had to step back.
1456
01:12:03,310 --> 01:12:08,481
I'm used to, in my regular
story telling methods,
1457
01:12:08,482 --> 01:12:11,033
to be the one who controls
where the camera goes,
1458
01:12:11,034 --> 01:12:14,102
who gets the actors
to move around
1459
01:12:14,103 --> 01:12:16,412
where I want actor to stand
over there on that line,
1460
01:12:16,413 --> 01:12:19,792
turn around on, da, da, da,
all this direction stuff
1461
01:12:19,793 --> 01:12:21,447
that this part of my job.
1462
01:12:21,448 --> 01:12:24,861
And on a found footage film
or a documentary style film,
1463
01:12:24,862 --> 01:12:27,240
you kind of have
to go away and say,
1464
01:12:27,241 --> 01:12:32,102
"Well, the actors have to be
very improvisational
1465
01:12:32,103 --> 01:12:34,861
because it has to feel
like it's all coincidental,
1466
01:12:34,862 --> 01:12:36,102
what's happening.
1467
01:12:36,103 --> 01:12:38,792
Okay, we know the script.
It's there.
1468
01:12:38,793 --> 01:12:41,964
Now you kind of have to say
the same things,
1469
01:12:41,965 --> 01:12:44,171
but do not use the words
in the script.
1470
01:12:44,172 --> 01:12:46,171
That's a really tricky thing
for an actor to hear
1471
01:12:46,172 --> 01:12:48,826
just before going on a shoot.
1472
01:12:57,103 --> 01:12:59,964
There was some difficulties
making "Rec"
1473
01:12:59,965 --> 01:13:02,550
because we are talking
about very long shots,
1474
01:13:02,551 --> 01:13:04,067
pretending to be real,
1475
01:13:04,068 --> 01:13:06,757
and sometimes
with strong mechanical
1476
01:13:06,758 --> 01:13:08,274
and special effects involved.
1477
01:13:08,275 --> 01:13:10,309
And it was very, very difficult
and complex,
1478
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:13,378
demanding a lot of work
and a lot of preparation.
1479
01:13:13,379 --> 01:13:17,585
But at the same time,
pretending it was natural
1480
01:13:17,586 --> 01:13:20,102
and it was like improvising.
1481
01:13:25,172 --> 01:13:27,343
- Aah!
- Shoot!
1482
01:13:30,827 --> 01:13:32,412
Kill it! Kill it!
1483
01:13:32,413 --> 01:13:36,723
Doing practical special effects
as we did it
1484
01:13:36,724 --> 01:13:41,067
in a found footage movie
is very complex.
1485
01:13:41,068 --> 01:13:43,309
And frankly, I underestimated it
1486
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:48,102
because you are
doing extremely long takes,
1487
01:13:48,103 --> 01:13:50,585
like 8-minute, 9-minute takes.
1488
01:13:50,586 --> 01:13:56,757
And so everything you have to
carefully place before you shoot
1489
01:13:56,758 --> 01:14:01,136
really everything, almost like
a small theater show,
1490
01:14:01,137 --> 01:14:02,999
and then you roll the camera.
1491
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:09,171
And so it's already
looking back at a take
1492
01:14:09,172 --> 01:14:11,895
takes another 8, 10 minutes.
1493
01:14:11,896 --> 01:14:18,205
And so you can only do three
takes per day for one shot.
1494
01:14:18,206 --> 01:14:21,964
And that's really,
really a big challenge also
1495
01:14:21,965 --> 01:14:23,757
because found footage movies
1496
01:14:23,758 --> 01:14:25,447
are mostly
very low budget films.
1497
01:14:25,448 --> 01:14:29,171
Doing long takes is definitely
a big thing in
1498
01:14:29,172 --> 01:14:32,550
in found footage
or documentary style films
1499
01:14:32,551 --> 01:14:36,309
because you need to prove that
you are actually documenting
1500
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:39,378
a moment here and now
and it's not edited.
1501
01:14:39,379 --> 01:14:44,481
It's not... editing is always
like a fakery of story telling.
1502
01:14:44,482 --> 01:14:47,378
The genre itself became
a little bit of a trope.
1503
01:14:47,379 --> 01:14:51,309
The idea of found footage,
by definition,
1504
01:14:51,310 --> 01:14:55,033
requires being done
for no budget.
1505
01:14:55,034 --> 01:14:57,999
And when you start to see
high budget stuff
1506
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,033
going on in your
supposedly found footage film,
1507
01:15:01,034 --> 01:15:02,895
I believe it falls apart.
1508
01:15:02,896 --> 01:15:06,171
I think the other problem
is that found footage movies,
1509
01:15:06,172 --> 01:15:08,343
you need to be able
to buy into them.
1510
01:15:08,344 --> 01:15:12,205
And the number of scenarios
where that seems plausible
1511
01:15:12,206 --> 01:15:13,930
gets fewer or fewer
as you go along.
1512
01:15:13,931 --> 01:15:16,102
To me, there's always been two
kinds of found footage movies.
1513
01:15:16,103 --> 01:15:18,102
There have been the ones
that are actually attempting
1514
01:15:18,103 --> 01:15:19,895
to convince you,
at least emotionally,
1515
01:15:19,896 --> 01:15:22,240
that this is a real document.
1516
01:15:22,241 --> 01:15:23,895
And then there are other ones
that just sort of use it
1517
01:15:23,896 --> 01:15:25,171
as a stylistic affectation.
1518
01:15:25,172 --> 01:15:26,792
You would never take
a 5-second clip
1519
01:15:26,793 --> 01:15:28,516
of some of these movies
and be like, "Oh, that's real."
1520
01:15:28,517 --> 01:15:30,274
Another thing that always
bumps me
1521
01:15:30,275 --> 01:15:32,067
when I'm watching bigger budget
found footage movies
1522
01:15:32,068 --> 01:15:34,999
is if you've got
recognizable actors in them,
1523
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,481
it destroys the reality
of the movie.
1524
01:15:36,482 --> 01:15:39,274
And I think the audience
are asking a lot more
1525
01:15:39,275 --> 01:15:42,033
of how you construct reality
in a found footage movie.
1526
01:15:42,034 --> 01:15:43,999
The authenticity needs
to be more on point
1527
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,757
than if you're making
a kind of glossy,
1528
01:15:45,758 --> 01:15:47,309
conventionally filmed movie.
1529
01:15:47,310 --> 01:15:50,481
Because you're some loser
who won't spread her legs.
1530
01:15:50,482 --> 01:15:52,688
You don't know
anything about me.
1531
01:15:52,689 --> 01:15:54,895
You don't know who I am.
1532
01:15:54,896 --> 01:15:57,343
I know exactly
who you are, Amy.
1533
01:15:57,344 --> 01:16:03,171
When you consider boundaries
of taste and whether or not
1534
01:16:03,172 --> 01:16:07,136
found footage, films,
whether they go too far,
1535
01:16:07,137 --> 01:16:12,102
I would say that
it's the boundary lies
1536
01:16:12,103 --> 01:16:15,171
in no different place than it
does for any other form of art.
1537
01:16:15,172 --> 01:16:17,792
The found footage genre itself
is, in a way,
1538
01:16:17,793 --> 01:16:22,102
boundary pushing by definition
because it's a very special
1539
01:16:22,103 --> 01:16:24,516
genre that not everybody
1540
01:16:24,517 --> 01:16:26,481
is going to be
comfortable watching.
1541
01:16:26,482 --> 01:16:28,274
But at a certain point,
you're going to
1542
01:16:28,275 --> 01:16:30,378
have to up the ante on that,
and you're going to be
1543
01:16:30,379 --> 01:16:34,033
pushing boundaries within
the genre itself.
1544
01:16:34,034 --> 01:16:35,654
So eventually you're going
to get to a point
1545
01:16:35,655 --> 01:16:39,550
where you might be alienating
certain broader audience masses.
1546
01:16:39,551 --> 01:16:43,171
3, 2, 1...
1547
01:16:43,172 --> 01:16:44,964
- Stop it!
- Stop it!
1548
01:16:44,965 --> 01:16:47,205
Let him go! Let him go.
Let him go.
1549
01:16:47,206 --> 01:16:48,757
You don't want me
to kill Tyler?
1550
01:16:48,758 --> 01:16:50,550
You want me to kill
a fucking girl?
1551
01:16:50,551 --> 01:16:52,205
No! Stop it.
1552
01:16:52,206 --> 01:16:55,792
- Fuckin' bitch...
- Fuck!
1553
01:16:55,793 --> 01:16:58,447
It is unsurprising
that there is controversy
1554
01:16:58,448 --> 01:17:00,757
about these films.
Because it challenges
1555
01:17:00,758 --> 01:17:05,240
or it transgresses the the idea
that found footage is a game.
1556
01:17:05,241 --> 01:17:07,343
Is this real, or isn't it,
1557
01:17:07,344 --> 01:17:10,757
is the thrill that we get
from found footage horror film.
1558
01:17:10,758 --> 01:17:13,102
And that strips away,
I think, completely
1559
01:17:13,103 --> 01:17:17,343
and falls to the ground in a way
that you can perhaps celebrate
1560
01:17:17,344 --> 01:17:20,067
as being
quite radical politically.
1561
01:17:20,068 --> 01:17:21,895
Or you can perhaps,
on the other hand,
1562
01:17:21,896 --> 01:17:24,861
look as just being exploitative.
1563
01:17:24,862 --> 01:17:26,654
Hi.
1564
01:17:29,965 --> 01:17:31,723
I like your dolls.
1565
01:17:34,655 --> 01:17:36,757
I said I like your dolls.
1566
01:17:36,758 --> 01:17:39,447
Stuff that would be
in a normal movie
1567
01:17:39,448 --> 01:17:41,240
is more questionable
in a found footage movie
1568
01:17:41,241 --> 01:17:42,930
because it makes people feel
more uncomfortable.
1569
01:17:42,931 --> 01:17:45,412
But the bottom line is,
is that this is not dealing
1570
01:17:45,413 --> 01:17:46,999
in the realm of fantasy.
1571
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,343
We're watching very real things
that happen in the world,
1572
01:17:49,344 --> 01:17:51,516
and it makes it
a very distressing view,
1573
01:17:51,517 --> 01:17:53,516
regardless of how you feel
about the film.
1574
01:17:53,517 --> 01:17:57,240
I think horror has always
pushed the envelope.
1575
01:17:57,241 --> 01:17:59,516
There's always
dark corners of horror
1576
01:17:59,517 --> 01:18:02,688
where people want to explore
further and push it more.
1577
01:18:02,689 --> 01:18:05,171
I don't think that's distinct
to found footage.
1578
01:18:05,172 --> 01:18:06,999
And we have to have
our narrative and know
1579
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,585
why we're telling something
because we don't want to spread
1580
01:18:09,586 --> 01:18:11,516
darkness into the world, right?
1581
01:18:11,517 --> 01:18:13,516
So you have a responsibility.
1582
01:18:13,517 --> 01:18:15,205
You don't want to make
something that's violent,
1583
01:18:15,206 --> 01:18:16,895
evil for no reason.
1584
01:18:16,896 --> 01:18:18,723
Tell a good story with good
characters that you care about.
1585
01:18:18,724 --> 01:18:20,861
If you can do those things,
then you can shock people
1586
01:18:20,862 --> 01:18:22,171
as much as you possibly want.
1587
01:18:22,172 --> 01:18:24,447
To say, "Okay,
has it gone too far,"
1588
01:18:24,448 --> 01:18:27,654
I think story telling,
when it works well, is a mirror
1589
01:18:27,655 --> 01:18:31,343
that we hold up to ourselves to
make us pause,
1590
01:18:31,344 --> 01:18:33,688
to make us think about the world
that we live within.
1591
01:18:33,689 --> 01:18:37,723
When it becomes gratuitous,
that's a whole different matter.
1592
01:18:37,724 --> 01:18:39,688
You know, it's like
it's subjective.
1593
01:18:39,689 --> 01:18:42,550
It's dependent upon what you're
into and what you want to see.
1594
01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:44,516
But I think when it's powerful
1595
01:18:44,517 --> 01:18:46,550
is when it's actually
saying something,
1596
01:18:46,551 --> 01:18:48,378
when it's actually trying
to make a statement,
1597
01:18:48,379 --> 01:18:49,826
it's making a comment
1598
01:18:49,827 --> 01:18:52,240
on what's going on in
and around our world.
1599
01:18:52,241 --> 01:18:53,999
Horror films are
definitely reflective
1600
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,792
of what's going on in society.
1601
01:18:55,793 --> 01:18:58,274
But at the same time, you know,
if you're going to show me
1602
01:18:58,275 --> 01:19:00,999
somebody being tortured just
for the sake of being tortured,
1603
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,412
you're going to hold on
something just to be sadistic
1604
01:19:04,413 --> 01:19:07,895
or just show something
for the sake of showing cruelty,
1605
01:19:07,896 --> 01:19:10,033
no matter what it is, whether
it's found footage or normal,
1606
01:19:10,034 --> 01:19:12,999
that's not my thing, you know?
I just don't like that.
1607
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,654
That's the question filmmakers
have to ask themselves.
1608
01:19:15,655 --> 01:19:20,309
And I think that when filmmakers
get to be responsible,
1609
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:21,964
they don't want to do this.
1610
01:19:21,965 --> 01:19:26,550
I don't know whether it's worse
than having horrible things
1611
01:19:26,551 --> 01:19:28,654
happen with a beautiful
aesthetic.
1612
01:19:28,655 --> 01:19:30,792
Somebody criticized
the shower scene in "Psycho",
1613
01:19:30,793 --> 01:19:34,826
saying that a murder scene
shouldn't look beautiful.
1614
01:19:34,827 --> 01:19:38,861
And I wonder, should
a murder scene always be ugly?
1615
01:19:38,862 --> 01:19:43,481
But there's also a tendency
to say, "Let's ratchet it up."
1616
01:19:43,482 --> 01:19:45,067
People aren't
maybe paying attention.
1617
01:19:45,068 --> 01:19:47,999
And the more we ratchet it up,
the more controversial
1618
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,999
this will be, and the more
people will pay attention to it.
1619
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,826
So it's a double edged sword.
1620
01:19:52,827 --> 01:19:55,205
So the powerful pieces
are the ones that can kind of
1621
01:19:55,206 --> 01:19:56,757
ride that line.
1622
01:19:56,758 --> 01:19:58,654
And they have something
that they're trying to say.
1623
01:19:58,655 --> 01:20:00,136
At the same time,
they're ratcheting it up
1624
01:20:00,137 --> 01:20:02,205
and they're challenging
the people who view it.
1625
01:20:02,206 --> 01:20:04,171
Yes, hate crime is messed up,
1626
01:20:04,172 --> 01:20:05,585
and there's a lot of
stuff about it.
1627
01:20:05,586 --> 01:20:07,274
But there was a reason
why I was making that.
1628
01:20:07,275 --> 01:20:09,205
It was a film version
of my fears,
1629
01:20:09,206 --> 01:20:10,895
my angst, my everything, right?
1630
01:20:10,896 --> 01:20:13,205
There was a message.
There was a meaning.
1631
01:20:13,206 --> 01:20:15,067
There was, you know,
I was trying to wake people up.
1632
01:20:15,068 --> 01:20:18,067
My whole life, I've dealt with
anti-Semitism, both, you know,
1633
01:20:18,068 --> 01:20:21,585
on a small level of like people
just making jokes all the time
1634
01:20:21,586 --> 01:20:23,412
and thinking it's okay to like,
you know,
1635
01:20:23,413 --> 01:20:26,688
like attempted violence,
all this different stuff
1636
01:20:26,689 --> 01:20:28,999
against me for being Jewish
or writing off,
1637
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,654
"Oh, he just became successful
because he's Jewish.
1638
01:20:31,655 --> 01:20:34,343
What's a kike? You don't know
what the fuckin'...
1639
01:20:34,344 --> 01:20:36,102
It's dirty fucking Jew.
1640
01:20:36,103 --> 01:20:38,826
Fucking look like a kike to me.
1641
01:20:38,827 --> 01:20:41,378
The easiest way to get
into somebody's conscience
1642
01:20:41,379 --> 01:20:42,861
is through fear.
1643
01:20:42,862 --> 01:20:44,688
If somebody else made that movie
that wasn't Jewish,
1644
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:47,343
the exact same movie,
didn't have those same fears,
1645
01:20:47,344 --> 01:20:48,895
I think that would be
going too far.
1646
01:20:48,896 --> 01:20:51,412
There's a kind of sense
that found footage
1647
01:20:51,413 --> 01:20:54,550
always has to be treated
as the bad child.
1648
01:20:54,551 --> 01:20:56,481
It always has to be put
in the naughty corner.
1649
01:20:56,482 --> 01:20:59,447
I don't see why found footage
films can't do what
1650
01:20:59,448 --> 01:21:02,964
mainstream horror is doing
and can't go as far as
1651
01:21:02,965 --> 01:21:05,102
mainstream horror films
are going.
1652
01:21:05,103 --> 01:21:10,033
Stories, when they work in
a way that's powerful
1653
01:21:10,034 --> 01:21:11,895
is when they're a reflection
of our times.
1654
01:21:11,896 --> 01:21:15,378
But they have something that
they're actually saying, right.
1655
01:21:15,379 --> 01:21:16,930
That's the key.
1656
01:21:16,931 --> 01:21:18,757
What is a horror movie
but something that sometimes
1657
01:21:18,758 --> 01:21:21,619
goes too far and it gets in
your mind and it scares you.
1658
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:23,205
A movie like
"Megan Is Missing"
1659
01:21:23,206 --> 01:21:25,826
scares the crap out of people,
and so if you feel like
1660
01:21:25,827 --> 01:21:28,343
that movie's gone too far
and it made you uncomfortable,
1661
01:21:28,344 --> 01:21:29,550
that was the point
of that movie.
1662
01:21:29,551 --> 01:21:32,895
You know, that it's not real,
1663
01:21:32,896 --> 01:21:35,274
and that's kind of
your safety net.
1664
01:21:35,275 --> 01:21:37,930
But in the experience of it,
1665
01:21:37,931 --> 01:21:40,895
you do feel that it's real,
so the comfort of it
1666
01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:44,240
not being real
is really at the end of it,
1667
01:21:44,241 --> 01:21:46,792
when you shut the movie off.
1668
01:21:46,793 --> 01:21:48,516
The movie was made for adults.
1669
01:21:48,517 --> 01:21:50,619
The movie was not made
for children.
1670
01:21:50,620 --> 01:21:54,481
But children were the ones
who found it and embraced it
1671
01:21:54,482 --> 01:21:55,861
and talked about it online
1672
01:21:55,862 --> 01:21:57,757
and passed it around
to their friends.
1673
01:21:57,758 --> 01:22:02,481
And they're the ones who gave it
this life all of a sudden.
1674
01:22:02,482 --> 01:22:04,757
So thousands of them
wrote to me.
1675
01:22:04,758 --> 01:22:07,447
And it's interesting
because the girls
1676
01:22:07,448 --> 01:22:11,309
were very introspective
and analytical
1677
01:22:11,310 --> 01:22:17,550
about how the movie related
to their online habits.
1678
01:22:17,551 --> 01:22:19,930
The boys were just
all over the map.
1679
01:22:19,931 --> 01:22:22,378
The boys didn't know
how to process
1680
01:22:22,379 --> 01:22:24,067
how helpless the movie
made them feel.
1681
01:22:24,068 --> 01:22:27,654
And so they responded
by getting angry, you know,
1682
01:22:27,655 --> 01:22:31,274
and lashing out at me
and stalking me on,
1683
01:22:31,275 --> 01:22:34,102
you know, social media sites
and things like that.
1684
01:22:34,103 --> 01:22:38,067
But the girls wrote me
very thoughtful letters about,
1685
01:22:38,068 --> 01:22:41,550
"Okay, now I understand
what my parents have been
1686
01:22:41,551 --> 01:22:43,171
telling me for
the last two years.
1687
01:22:43,172 --> 01:22:45,861
I didn't understand it
until I saw "Megan Is Missing."
1688
01:22:45,862 --> 01:22:47,999
Good evening.
I'm Callie Daniels.
1689
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,757
Megan Stewart, a beautiful,
popular 14-year-old girl,
1690
01:22:51,758 --> 01:22:53,619
vanished without a trace
after going out
1691
01:22:53,620 --> 01:22:55,619
with friends two days ago.
1692
01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:58,412
The footage clearly shows
that she encounters a man
1693
01:22:58,413 --> 01:23:00,102
who appears to lead her away.
1694
01:23:00,103 --> 01:23:02,861
It accomplishes what
the director set out to do.
1695
01:23:02,862 --> 01:23:05,274
So Michael really wanted
to make a contemporary.
1696
01:23:05,275 --> 01:23:08,619
"Stranger Danger" film that
would really speak
1697
01:23:08,620 --> 01:23:12,757
to young people about
the dangers of being online.
1698
01:23:12,758 --> 01:23:14,895
And he does that,
and what I find extraordinary
1699
01:23:14,896 --> 01:23:17,343
is that every couple of years,
we seem to have another spike
1700
01:23:17,344 --> 01:23:20,654
where a whole new generation
of teenagers discover.
1701
01:23:20,655 --> 01:23:22,930
"Megan Is Missing",
and they will hit social media.
1702
01:23:22,931 --> 01:23:25,550
So most recently, of course,
there's been TikTok
1703
01:23:25,551 --> 01:23:27,619
in meltdown,
just having meltdowns.
1704
01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:29,757
These young kids
are absolutely terrified.
1705
01:23:29,758 --> 01:23:31,723
And the message that Michael
wanted to communicate
1706
01:23:31,724 --> 01:23:33,654
with that film has worked.
1707
01:23:33,655 --> 01:23:38,343
There is a couple of still
photographs of Megan
1708
01:23:38,344 --> 01:23:40,136
when she's tortured by Josh,
1709
01:23:40,137 --> 01:23:44,412
you know, and those were
based on real photographs
1710
01:23:44,413 --> 01:23:50,826
that friend of mine who ran
a fetish website showed me,
1711
01:23:50,827 --> 01:23:53,792
called me one day and said,
"Can you take a look
1712
01:23:53,793 --> 01:23:56,067
at these couple of photographs
that somebody posted,
1713
01:23:56,068 --> 01:23:58,619
because something
doesn't feel right about it."
1714
01:23:58,620 --> 01:24:01,930
And I looked at it,
and it was clearly somebody
1715
01:24:01,931 --> 01:24:04,861
who was in real distress
and not in fake distress.
1716
01:24:04,862 --> 01:24:09,619
It was clearly a girl
who was underage.
1717
01:24:09,620 --> 01:24:11,792
And I advised him
to call the police
1718
01:24:11,793 --> 01:24:14,033
and turn them over
to the police.
1719
01:24:14,034 --> 01:24:19,654
And ultimately he did,
and they had found this girl,
1720
01:24:19,655 --> 01:24:23,895
I believe it was in
Pennsylvania, dead.
1721
01:24:23,896 --> 01:24:27,585
You know, so that experience...
And that happened
1722
01:24:27,586 --> 01:24:30,550
decades earlier...
Stayed with me when
1723
01:24:30,551 --> 01:24:33,516
I was writing
"Megan is Missing."
1724
01:24:33,517 --> 01:24:35,999
Would you like
to have friends, Amy?
1725
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,723
Would you like to sleep
with something
1726
01:24:37,724 --> 01:24:39,550
besides your teddy bear?
1727
01:24:39,551 --> 01:24:40,964
I heard a nice term about it.
1728
01:24:40,965 --> 01:24:43,757
It's called
"Embrace the Imperfection."
1729
01:24:43,758 --> 01:24:45,826
It's like it's not perfect.
1730
01:24:45,827 --> 01:24:49,481
You always try
to do stuff perfect in cinema,
1731
01:24:49,482 --> 01:24:50,895
that the lighting
would be perfect
1732
01:24:50,896 --> 01:24:52,412
and the sound would be perfect,
but I think
1733
01:24:52,413 --> 01:24:55,378
the audience today know
how to embrace the imperfection.
1734
01:24:55,379 --> 01:25:00,240
I think audiences are now much
more familiar with with
1735
01:25:00,241 --> 01:25:03,067
the DIY self-filming aesthetic
because we see it everywhere.
1736
01:25:03,068 --> 01:25:06,240
I remember talking to some of
the sales agents back in 2013
1737
01:25:06,241 --> 01:25:09,412
who had gone to the markets
and spoke to the distributors
1738
01:25:09,413 --> 01:25:12,309
and had the catalog of films.
1739
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:15,309
And if they had a film and it
was a found footage approach,
1740
01:25:15,310 --> 01:25:16,861
it really puts off distributors
1741
01:25:16,862 --> 01:25:19,550
because it was just
so over saturated by that point.
1742
01:25:21,310 --> 01:25:23,102
Mark.
1743
01:25:23,103 --> 01:25:25,447
Mark?!
1744
01:25:26,896 --> 01:25:29,550
Mark?
1745
01:25:29,551 --> 01:25:32,033
It's getting tighter.
1746
01:25:32,034 --> 01:25:37,412
"The Borderlands" did well
in spite of everything.
1747
01:25:37,413 --> 01:25:40,930
Essentially what you had there
was a film that
1748
01:25:40,931 --> 01:25:46,067
the executive producers had
already decided was a disaster.
1749
01:25:46,068 --> 01:25:50,067
And because we did
so much work on it
1750
01:25:50,068 --> 01:25:51,930
from the first version
to the second version
1751
01:25:51,931 --> 01:25:55,102
to sort of fix it,
when it premiered,
1752
01:25:55,103 --> 01:25:58,136
it really took them by surprise
that people liked it so much
1753
01:25:58,137 --> 01:26:00,171
because they'd already
written it off.
1754
01:26:00,172 --> 01:26:02,757
All horror has tropes
that it falls back on,
1755
01:26:02,758 --> 01:26:04,585
and found footage is
no different.
1756
01:26:04,586 --> 01:26:07,309
In "The Borderlands"
in particular,
1757
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:11,412
we poke a lot of fun
at a lot of the traditional
1758
01:26:11,413 --> 01:26:12,930
found footage jump scares.
1759
01:26:12,931 --> 01:26:14,412
There's a moment in the film
where a tombstone
1760
01:26:14,413 --> 01:26:16,274
has something written on it,
and then when the camera
1761
01:26:16,275 --> 01:26:19,343
pans back, it's got something
completely different on it.
1762
01:26:19,344 --> 01:26:20,619
And literally all that is,
1763
01:26:20,620 --> 01:26:22,171
is I'm stood
right behind the actor,
1764
01:26:22,172 --> 01:26:24,274
and the second the camera
is off of me,
1765
01:26:24,275 --> 01:26:28,412
I twist the tombstone
around the other direction.
1766
01:26:28,413 --> 01:26:29,723
And then when they pan back,
1767
01:26:29,724 --> 01:26:31,274
it's a completely
different tombstone.
1768
01:26:31,275 --> 01:26:33,102
In films like "The Borderlands"
and "The Afflicted",
1769
01:26:33,103 --> 01:26:37,826
we have this really amplified
fetishism of the technology,
1770
01:26:37,827 --> 01:26:40,930
of media technology
where it's talked about a lot.
1771
01:26:40,931 --> 01:26:45,102
And it's really privileged
within the films themselves.
1772
01:26:45,103 --> 01:26:49,688
And I think that has the dual
effect of not just giving
1773
01:26:49,689 --> 01:26:53,102
the characters within the film
a false sense of security,
1774
01:26:53,103 --> 01:26:55,654
but perhaps encouraging us
as an audience
1775
01:26:55,655 --> 01:26:57,895
to also share
that faith in technology
1776
01:26:57,896 --> 01:27:00,481
and to share their belief that,
yes, we have tech,
1777
01:27:00,482 --> 01:27:02,964
we can record the truth
and things will be fine.
1778
01:27:02,965 --> 01:27:06,102
Having the supernatural
element in the movie,
1779
01:27:06,103 --> 01:27:08,895
the vampire actually being
the one wielding the camera
1780
01:27:08,896 --> 01:27:10,585
so the audience
could be immersed
1781
01:27:10,586 --> 01:27:11,861
in that character's perspective,
1782
01:27:11,862 --> 01:27:13,412
we thought that
could be different.
1783
01:27:13,413 --> 01:27:15,343
The premise of this movie
was that these two characters
1784
01:27:15,344 --> 01:27:19,378
are filmmakers, and they were
going to be shooting and editing
1785
01:27:19,379 --> 01:27:20,619
and cutting together a movie
1786
01:27:20,620 --> 01:27:22,619
with a very specific
aesthetic intent.
1787
01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:24,999
Now, originally, that intent
is to show their family
1788
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,723
and friends back home
this amazing,
1789
01:27:26,724 --> 01:27:28,309
aspirational trip
they're going on.
1790
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:30,585
But ultimately, this is
sort of Derek's final message
1791
01:27:30,586 --> 01:27:32,136
to everyone in his life.
1792
01:27:32,137 --> 01:27:34,240
And so he could cut that,
he could add music,
1793
01:27:34,241 --> 01:27:36,481
he could add montages,
he could add graphics,
1794
01:27:36,482 --> 01:27:40,136
anything within a filmmaker's
vocabulary to tell that story.
1795
01:27:40,137 --> 01:27:42,412
When we first came up with
the idea for "Creep", it was,
1796
01:27:42,413 --> 01:27:45,930
how can we make a movie where
we don't have a crew at all?
1797
01:27:45,931 --> 01:27:50,102
And out of that,
Mark and I got together,
1798
01:27:50,103 --> 01:27:53,136
just the two of us,
with a video camera.
1799
01:27:53,137 --> 01:27:56,033
We bought an ax at a hardware
store down the street.
1800
01:27:56,034 --> 01:28:00,447
We bought a werewolf mask
off of Amazon
1801
01:28:00,448 --> 01:28:02,171
and went up in the woods
1802
01:28:02,172 --> 01:28:06,309
and improvised this movie based
off of a five-page outline.
1803
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:08,999
You have to have a good idea
to make a found footage film.
1804
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,343
It's not forgiving.
1805
01:28:10,344 --> 01:28:13,033
It's not a forgiving medium,
but it is cheap.
1806
01:28:13,034 --> 01:28:16,033
You can just do it your with
iPhone if you want to.
1807
01:28:16,034 --> 01:28:17,585
But you better have a good idea.
1808
01:28:17,586 --> 01:28:21,102
Smart glass? Oh, my God.
1809
01:28:21,103 --> 01:28:22,792
- You like it?
- Dad!
1810
01:28:22,793 --> 01:28:25,240
I can't believe you.
1811
01:28:25,241 --> 01:28:30,309
Found footage was the perfect
formula for our film.
1812
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:34,792
POV film, horror film,
very realistic,
1813
01:28:34,793 --> 01:28:36,516
in a number of places.
1814
01:28:36,517 --> 01:28:38,378
And also we wanted to shoot in
1815
01:28:38,379 --> 01:28:40,412
the real locations
of the Holy City.
1816
01:28:40,413 --> 01:28:44,447
We sneaked in as tourists,
and the crew was separated.
1817
01:28:44,448 --> 01:28:47,861
The sound man was in the back,
like a few meters away.
1818
01:28:47,862 --> 01:28:51,516
The actors are here, the D.O.P.
took like, watched the lighting
1819
01:28:51,517 --> 01:28:52,964
or where to stand.
1820
01:28:52,965 --> 01:28:56,205
It was very improvised,
and it was...
1821
01:28:56,206 --> 01:28:58,067
Because to get to
shooting permits
1822
01:28:58,068 --> 01:28:59,826
is really, really difficult
if you want to shoot
1823
01:28:59,827 --> 01:29:01,309
in the real places.
1824
01:29:01,310 --> 01:29:02,964
Of course, no one will close
the Holy Sepulcher
1825
01:29:02,965 --> 01:29:04,688
just for your film.
1826
01:29:04,689 --> 01:29:11,619
We are shooting the first ever
found footage horror movie...
1827
01:29:11,620 --> 01:29:13,757
in 3-D.
1828
01:29:13,758 --> 01:29:17,102
So "Found Footage 3D" is
about a group of filmmakers
1829
01:29:17,103 --> 01:29:19,378
who go out to this cabin
in the woods of Central Texas
1830
01:29:19,379 --> 01:29:21,861
to shoot what they are billing
as the first 3-D
1831
01:29:21,862 --> 01:29:23,205
found footage horror movie.
1832
01:29:23,206 --> 01:29:24,619
And they end up
finding themselves
1833
01:29:24,620 --> 01:29:26,654
in the first 3-D found footage
horror movie.
1834
01:29:26,655 --> 01:29:27,723
Take two.
1835
01:29:39,482 --> 01:29:42,309
The evil entity in the movie
that they're making starts
1836
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:45,067
showing up in their
behind the scenes footage.
1837
01:29:45,068 --> 01:29:46,481
This is the camera that we shot
the movie on,
1838
01:29:46,482 --> 01:29:50,033
one of one of three that
we shot the movie on.
1839
01:29:50,034 --> 01:29:51,619
It is a 3-D camcorder.
1840
01:29:51,620 --> 01:29:54,136
And, you know, in part,
the inspiration for the movie
1841
01:29:54,137 --> 01:29:55,964
was the existence
of this camcorder.
1842
01:29:55,965 --> 01:29:58,481
Ah.
1843
01:29:58,482 --> 01:30:02,102
- It's like, I can touch you.
- I feel like, you know...
1844
01:30:08,620 --> 01:30:10,378
We kind of tried to sort of
walk that line
1845
01:30:10,379 --> 01:30:14,102
between having this very sort of
stylistic sense, you know,
1846
01:30:14,103 --> 01:30:16,274
and the naturalistic acting
and, you know,
1847
01:30:16,275 --> 01:30:19,550
not putting too much dialogue
in the characters' mouths
1848
01:30:19,551 --> 01:30:22,171
so that they didn't feel like
they were saying lines.
1849
01:30:22,172 --> 01:30:24,274
And so that you could take
a scene from the movie
1850
01:30:24,275 --> 01:30:26,240
and feel like, "Okay,
I'm watching an actual
1851
01:30:26,241 --> 01:30:28,102
behind the scenes documentary
about a bunch of people
1852
01:30:28,103 --> 01:30:29,550
making a found footage movie."
1853
01:30:29,551 --> 01:30:31,102
Shit, you think
this it's just a coincidence
1854
01:30:31,103 --> 01:30:32,654
that it fucking happened?
1855
01:30:32,655 --> 01:30:34,895
Well, it wasn't a ghost,
if that's what you're saying.
1856
01:30:34,896 --> 01:30:36,447
I mean, I don't know, man.
1857
01:30:36,448 --> 01:30:39,309
Maybe the sound of her voice
triggered the wiring.
1858
01:30:39,310 --> 01:30:42,067
That I think is the thing
that found footage
1859
01:30:42,068 --> 01:30:43,619
does such a great job of doing,
1860
01:30:43,620 --> 01:30:46,378
is what if this thing happened
in the real world?
1861
01:30:46,379 --> 01:30:48,067
What if these things
that we normally relegate
1862
01:30:48,068 --> 01:30:50,861
to fiction were real?
1863
01:30:50,862 --> 01:30:52,964
And if it's done well, that's,
1864
01:30:52,965 --> 01:30:55,136
you know, the brilliance
of found footage.
1865
01:30:55,137 --> 01:30:58,585
And it creates experiences
by placing you there.
1866
01:30:58,586 --> 01:31:01,240
You know, you don't get the
feeling that there's a director
1867
01:31:01,241 --> 01:31:04,067
and a film crew
telling a horror story.
1868
01:31:04,068 --> 01:31:05,964
You get a feeling
that this is a person like you,
1869
01:31:05,965 --> 01:31:07,550
that it could have been
happened to you.
1870
01:31:07,551 --> 01:31:12,171
That's like stuck in a situation
that's fantastic
1871
01:31:12,172 --> 01:31:14,688
or that defies reality.
1872
01:31:14,689 --> 01:31:18,447
And they just happened to film
it by accident, you know?
1873
01:31:18,448 --> 01:31:21,516
Genres and the way films are
made and, you know,
1874
01:31:21,517 --> 01:31:25,550
they ride waves, you know,
they go up, they go down.
1875
01:31:25,551 --> 01:31:28,723
Found footage was never really
ever mainstream.
1876
01:31:28,724 --> 01:31:31,378
It had moments
where it kind of popped up
1877
01:31:31,379 --> 01:31:35,240
and became known by more people,
but it's always been a subgenre,
1878
01:31:35,241 --> 01:31:37,343
and that's what makes it
so powerful.
1879
01:31:37,344 --> 01:31:39,033
There were a lot
of possession movies,
1880
01:31:39,034 --> 01:31:41,999
and it started to feel gimmicky,
and I think the other thing is
1881
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,412
that if the entire power
of found footage
1882
01:31:44,413 --> 01:31:46,516
is creating this illusion
of reality,
1883
01:31:46,517 --> 01:31:50,274
then the more times you're
exposed to that aesthetic,
1884
01:31:50,275 --> 01:31:52,516
the harder it is to continue
to suspend your disbelief.
1885
01:31:52,517 --> 01:31:54,171
And it just didn't have
the same power
1886
01:31:54,172 --> 01:31:56,447
it did the first time
you saw "Blair Witch."
1887
01:31:57,931 --> 01:32:00,171
I want to make movies, Heather.
1888
01:32:02,862 --> 01:32:04,654
Isn't that what
we're here to do.
1889
01:32:04,655 --> 01:32:10,309
When I was first pulled into
Hollywood by producers
1890
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:15,481
and my agents, and in 2010,
'11, '12, I did receive
1891
01:32:15,482 --> 01:32:19,516
a lot of found footage projects
from various producers,
1892
01:32:19,517 --> 01:32:23,378
and I didn't want to do another
found footage movie at the time
1893
01:32:23,379 --> 01:32:26,723
because I'd done one
and it was a successful one.
1894
01:32:26,724 --> 01:32:29,826
And in addition, I wanted
to prove something different.
1895
01:32:29,827 --> 01:32:32,826
So I deliberately went
the exact opposite route
1896
01:32:32,827 --> 01:32:36,757
with "The Autopsy of Jane Doe",
which is extremely controlled,
1897
01:32:36,758 --> 01:32:40,136
simply to prove that I wasn't
a found footage director.
1898
01:32:40,137 --> 01:32:41,447
What success with a work?
1899
01:32:41,448 --> 01:32:44,171
Is success box office success?
1900
01:32:44,172 --> 01:32:46,412
Is it intended
to be like mass uptake?
1901
01:32:46,413 --> 01:32:50,171
I don't know if found footage
will ever be mass uptake.
1902
01:32:50,172 --> 01:32:52,033
If you look at where
the industry is headed,
1903
01:32:52,034 --> 01:32:54,309
it's more and more
tentpole movies.
1904
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:56,447
What constitutes
a tentpole movie?
1905
01:32:56,448 --> 01:32:59,447
Special effects,
name talent, right?
1906
01:32:59,448 --> 01:33:01,826
Those are two things
that are totally anti,
1907
01:33:01,827 --> 01:33:03,481
you know, what film footage is.
1908
01:33:03,482 --> 01:33:07,654
When a particularly talented
filmmaker finds a way to use
1909
01:33:07,655 --> 01:33:11,205
that genre to make
an especially powerful movie,
1910
01:33:11,206 --> 01:33:12,688
it'll come back up again.
1911
01:33:12,689 --> 01:33:14,826
Oh, Radina's coughing.
1912
01:33:14,827 --> 01:33:17,378
- She's coughing.
- I'm fine, guys.
1913
01:33:17,379 --> 01:33:19,309
People are not allowed
to cough anymore.
1914
01:33:19,310 --> 01:33:21,826
- This is ridiculous.
- No, you have to hide
1915
01:33:21,827 --> 01:33:24,481
a cough with a fart now
instead of the other way around.
1916
01:33:24,482 --> 01:33:26,481
The interesting thing
about found footage
1917
01:33:26,482 --> 01:33:28,619
is it's kind of like the monster
in a monster movie.
1918
01:33:28,620 --> 01:33:30,723
You knock it down,
you think it's dead,
1919
01:33:30,724 --> 01:33:32,067
but it gets back up again.
1920
01:33:32,068 --> 01:33:33,550
You know, I don't think
we could have
1921
01:33:33,551 --> 01:33:35,930
made "Host" at any other
point in history.
1922
01:33:35,931 --> 01:33:38,240
And we're all going
through something so weird,
1923
01:33:38,241 --> 01:33:39,585
being locked down.
1924
01:33:39,586 --> 01:33:41,205
Everyone was kind of sharing
the same reality
1925
01:33:41,206 --> 01:33:43,481
for the first time in forever.
1926
01:33:43,482 --> 01:33:45,343
You know, Zoom is not one of
those things that many of us
1927
01:33:45,344 --> 01:33:46,757
really knew about pre-pandemic,
1928
01:33:46,758 --> 01:33:49,516
but then immediately afterward,
we're all on it,
1929
01:33:49,517 --> 01:33:52,171
constantly talking to families,
doing our jobs.
1930
01:33:52,172 --> 01:33:54,102
And even though we were
calling on movies
1931
01:33:54,103 --> 01:33:56,792
like "Unfriended" and, you know,
other kind of, I don't know,
1932
01:33:56,793 --> 01:33:58,895
"screen life movies"
that had come before,
1933
01:33:58,896 --> 01:34:02,205
movies that we love,
we felt like there was some way
1934
01:34:02,206 --> 01:34:05,447
of building on that by kind of
introducing the specificity
1935
01:34:05,448 --> 01:34:08,171
of lock down, what everyone was
going through collectively.
1936
01:34:08,172 --> 01:34:09,619
It's one of those things
where you watch a movie,
1937
01:34:09,620 --> 01:34:11,826
and you're like, you kick
yourself for not having
1938
01:34:11,827 --> 01:34:13,274
had that idea or done that.
1939
01:34:13,275 --> 01:34:15,343
And the speed with which
they were able to do that,
1940
01:34:15,344 --> 01:34:16,723
where we all sort of
went into lock down
1941
01:34:16,724 --> 01:34:19,550
and we went into this
incredibly new world
1942
01:34:19,551 --> 01:34:22,999
for all of us,
in this unsettling sort of way.
1943
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,826
And they said, "You know what,
we're going to embrace that.
1944
01:34:24,827 --> 01:34:26,619
We're going to go ahead, and
we're going to make this movie."
1945
01:34:26,620 --> 01:34:28,688
Yeah, if you find the right
story and it's done right,
1946
01:34:28,689 --> 01:34:30,447
you can have, you know,
you can still have
1947
01:34:30,448 --> 01:34:32,654
a lot of great success and make
a pretty damn good movie.
1948
01:34:32,655 --> 01:34:34,274
You know, one of the things
that was really gratifying
1949
01:34:34,275 --> 01:34:35,861
about the release of "Host"
1950
01:34:35,862 --> 01:34:38,585
is the fact that people
were watching it in lock down.
1951
01:34:38,586 --> 01:34:40,412
They're watching it
on their laptops.
1952
01:34:40,413 --> 01:34:42,102
You know, some people were
watching it with Zoom open
1953
01:34:42,103 --> 01:34:44,964
in the background, you know,
watching it with their friends.
1954
01:34:44,965 --> 01:34:47,861
There's a level of involvement
that they had in the movie
1955
01:34:47,862 --> 01:34:51,274
that I think would be hard
under normal circumstances.
1956
01:34:51,275 --> 01:34:52,757
You know, I know a lot of people
have said that
1957
01:34:52,758 --> 01:34:54,585
when the pop up windows
come up in the movie,
1958
01:34:54,586 --> 01:34:57,033
they move their mouse
to try and click it away.
1959
01:34:57,034 --> 01:34:58,309
In our current cultural moment,
1960
01:34:58,310 --> 01:35:00,792
we have so many
different platforms
1961
01:35:00,793 --> 01:35:04,723
and so many different media
artifacts to kind of draw from.
1962
01:35:04,724 --> 01:35:08,205
It's just going to continue
to kind of put its fingers out
1963
01:35:08,206 --> 01:35:09,861
and grab on to dead media
1964
01:35:09,862 --> 01:35:11,757
and grab on to
new media coming out.
1965
01:35:11,758 --> 01:35:13,723
For upcoming filmmakers,
it becomes less about,
1966
01:35:13,724 --> 01:35:15,102
can you make a movie?
1967
01:35:15,103 --> 01:35:17,309
It becomes more about,
what's the story you're telling?
1968
01:35:17,310 --> 01:35:20,412
The tools we have
have expanded.
1969
01:35:20,413 --> 01:35:24,654
You can now use cameras
that are just cut-in cameras
1970
01:35:24,655 --> 01:35:27,516
that are not necessarily
the filmmaker's camera,
1971
01:35:27,517 --> 01:35:29,585
but it's the video camera
over there
1972
01:35:29,586 --> 01:35:31,481
or it's a surveillance camera
over there.
1973
01:35:31,482 --> 01:35:33,343
And it will naturally flow
for the audience
1974
01:35:33,344 --> 01:35:34,930
because they've gotten used
to that language.
1975
01:35:34,931 --> 01:35:37,861
The success of "Host"
and "Unfriended" and things like
1976
01:35:37,862 --> 01:35:39,792
that mean that's definitely
a strand that's going to
1977
01:35:39,793 --> 01:35:41,033
continue on.
1978
01:35:41,034 --> 01:35:43,033
We're going to get more
social media horror.
1979
01:35:43,034 --> 01:35:46,378
And I think really we need
to wait to see what the next
1980
01:35:46,379 --> 01:35:48,861
big thing is going to be,
what the next new media
1981
01:35:48,862 --> 01:35:50,723
is going to be,
or the next new platform
1982
01:35:50,724 --> 01:35:53,343
that people communicate through
is going to be
1983
01:35:53,344 --> 01:35:56,619
to kind of see where
found footage is going to
1984
01:35:56,620 --> 01:35:58,171
dip its fingers into next.
1985
01:35:58,172 --> 01:36:01,102
When any new media comes out,
1986
01:36:01,103 --> 01:36:03,792
any new ability
to record things comes out,
1987
01:36:03,793 --> 01:36:06,826
the instant that people begin
to manipulate those recordings,
1988
01:36:06,827 --> 01:36:13,619
we begin to see the veracity of
those imprints come into doubt.
1989
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:18,516
So it used to be that, you know,
a videotape recording in
1990
01:36:18,517 --> 01:36:22,102
a court of law was absolutely,
bottom line truth.
1991
01:36:22,103 --> 01:36:24,723
Nothing could decry it.
1992
01:36:24,724 --> 01:36:26,550
And now you can't trust
those things
1993
01:36:26,551 --> 01:36:28,412
because just with something
as simple as an app on my phone,
1994
01:36:28,413 --> 01:36:29,999
I can put a brand-new face
on somebody
1995
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,516
that's actually
terrifyingly realistic.
1996
01:36:55,896 --> 01:36:57,826
I mean, the thing that I love
about found footage movies
1997
01:36:57,827 --> 01:36:59,964
when they're done well,
is that sense of immersiveness,
1998
01:36:59,965 --> 01:37:02,895
is that sense of these are real
people that you're watching.
1999
01:37:02,896 --> 01:37:05,895
It's best when it's making
a comment on something,
2000
01:37:05,896 --> 01:37:08,412
the found footage genre
because of the ease
2001
01:37:08,413 --> 01:37:10,792
and the accessibility
and the lack of resources
2002
01:37:10,793 --> 01:37:12,516
to make the films,
you have a lot of bad
2003
01:37:12,517 --> 01:37:14,481
found footage films, you know.
2004
01:37:14,482 --> 01:37:17,309
But it's also a genre
that allows you to learn
2005
01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:20,792
and to experiment, you know,
and over time, become, you know,
2006
01:37:20,793 --> 01:37:22,999
hopefully a better story teller
because of it.
2007
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:26,688
If you're an audience coming
to watch a found footage movie,
2008
01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:29,792
for the most part, you're aware
that you're going to be
2009
01:37:29,793 --> 01:37:33,585
watching something that is
presenting itself
2010
01:37:33,586 --> 01:37:35,102
as real footage to you.
2011
01:37:35,103 --> 01:37:39,205
So I think there is
a buy-in of engagement
2012
01:37:39,206 --> 01:37:40,792
that is required
from an audience
2013
01:37:40,793 --> 01:37:43,619
to make that
a pleasurable experience.
2014
01:37:43,620 --> 01:37:46,516
And I think if you're
the type of viewer
2015
01:37:46,517 --> 01:37:51,688
who watches a film
nitpicking every little moment
2016
01:37:51,689 --> 01:37:54,619
that you can for whether or not
this is something
2017
01:37:54,620 --> 01:37:56,895
that would actually be happening
or not or, you know,
2018
01:37:56,896 --> 01:38:00,826
I think judging characters
and their decisions being made,
2019
01:38:00,827 --> 01:38:03,619
I think, like for the most part,
it's going to be tough for you
2020
01:38:03,620 --> 01:38:05,067
to have a good time
watching that movie.
2021
01:38:05,068 --> 01:38:06,343
I think there'll always be
2022
01:38:06,344 --> 01:38:08,067
a desire for more
found footage movies.
2023
01:38:08,068 --> 01:38:10,447
An audience won't be satisfied
if they feel like
2024
01:38:10,448 --> 01:38:12,171
you're just retreading
old ground.
2025
01:38:12,172 --> 01:38:14,309
I think you've got to find ways
to push the medium forward.
2026
01:38:15,896 --> 01:38:20,067
Found footage now is
an absolutely legitimate genre
2027
01:38:20,068 --> 01:38:24,688
because the grammar of cinema
has changed so dramatically.
2028
01:38:24,689 --> 01:38:26,412
It's kind of leveled
the playing field.
2029
01:38:26,413 --> 01:38:27,895
You don't need a lot of money.
2030
01:38:27,896 --> 01:38:31,067
You don't need any stars
in your cast.
2031
01:38:31,068 --> 01:38:33,654
You don't even need to show
the monster or show
2032
01:38:33,655 --> 01:38:35,136
what's pursuing people.
2033
01:38:35,137 --> 01:38:36,757
It's just a great leveler.
2034
01:38:36,758 --> 01:38:38,895
At the end of the day,
you have to tell a good story.
2035
01:38:38,896 --> 01:38:40,688
You have to have characters
that you care about.
2036
01:38:40,689 --> 01:38:42,343
You have to put them in
situations that you care about.
2037
01:38:42,344 --> 01:38:47,585
And you have to have some reason
to want to continue to watch.
2038
01:38:47,586 --> 01:38:49,757
With a documentary film,
I mean, ultimately,
2039
01:38:49,758 --> 01:38:53,343
it's what the filmmaker
perceives as the truth.
2040
01:38:53,344 --> 01:38:54,826
I mean, don't you think...
2041
01:38:54,827 --> 01:38:56,619
That's what you're
trying to do, right?
2042
01:38:56,620 --> 01:38:59,723
It's just a bit of an abrupt
ending, no? I mean...
2043
01:38:59,724 --> 01:39:02,930
It's... it's that's
the nature of the genre.
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