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they were the police officers

they were the police officers
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that came round to his flattened leads

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jimmy savile had margaret thatcher jimmy
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prince charles jimmy seville had

prince charles jimmy seville had
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what we call the peoples knew what was

what we call the peoples knew what was
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with the babies as bad as we now know it

with the babies as bad as we now know it
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but what has been lost

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is those people that could have stopped

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it from happening or those people who

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had knowledge about it so out of those

had knowledge about it so out of those
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44 reviews not a single person has been

44 reviews not a single person has been
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people might question why we are doing

people might question why we are doing
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this documentary

this documentary
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after all

after all
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savile was exposed years ago and his

savile was exposed years ago and his
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crimes were scrutinized by media

crimes were scrutinized by media
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it's common knowledge that jimmy savile

it's common knowledge that jimmy savile
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we know that there were hundreds of

we know that there were hundreds of
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victims abused over decades

victims abused over decades
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this film

this film
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free from the constraints of mainstream

free from the constraints of mainstream
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we have more time to reveal information

we have more time to reveal information
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we can probe further and investigate the

we can probe further and investigate the
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darkest areas

darkest areas
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offering viewers a full portrait of the

offering viewers a full portrait of the
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over the last year we have interviewed

over the last year we have interviewed
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people with a unique

people with a unique
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insight into savile

insight into savile
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some were victims

some were victims
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one spoke about a friend who had

one spoke about a friend who had
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committed suicide

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after being abused

after being abused
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we spoke to journalists who highlighted

we spoke to journalists who highlighted
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the numerous cover-ups

the numerous cover-ups
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and we spoke to the man responsible for

and we spoke to the man responsible for
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the jimmy savile story is unique in

the jimmy savile story is unique in
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criminal history

criminal history
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now we know the facts we can reflect on

now we know the facts we can reflect on
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what happened

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several questions still need to be

several questions still need to be
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answered

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surrounding the aftermath of savile's

surrounding the aftermath of savile's
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exposure the main being

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how the hell did this guy get away with

how the hell did this guy get away with
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he said i reckon there's probably around

he said i reckon there's probably around
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20 30 victims and i went 500.

20 30 victims and i went 500.
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i said there are 500 and he looked at me

i said there are 500 and he looked at me
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and he went really and i went i could

and he went really and i went i could
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tell you i've been doing this for a long

tell you i've been doing this for a long
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time now i said i reckon there's 500

time now i said i reckon there's 500
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victims and of course where did we get

victims and of course where did we get
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500 victims

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how many of shavel's victims were male

how many of shavel's victims were male
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then

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so there were a number of male i don't

so there were a number of male i don't
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know what that number worked out to but

know what that number worked out to but
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there were a number that were

there were a number that were
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overwhelming they were female

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and overwhelmingly were children but

and overwhelmingly were children but
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they were adult females and there were a

they were adult females and there were a
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number of male victims his offending

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behavior was was

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overwhelmingly females

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but what he did do is on the occasions i

but what he did do is on the occasions i
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think he targeted young males because he

think he targeted young males because he
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saw that as a power and control but not

saw that as a power and control but not
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not in the same degree at all as far as

not in the same degree at all as far as
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females young victims but he does enter

females young victims but he does enter
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into a quite

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i say unique quite

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limited number of offenders who cross

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across all the spectrums as far as male

across all the spectrums as far as male
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female young and old

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large majority of pedophiles child sex

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offenders have a target age group

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savile wasn't like that

savile wasn't like that
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it's not really about sex it really

it's not really about sex it really
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isn't and and that's you know the case

isn't and and that's you know the case
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in fact with some of the

in fact with some of the
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perpetrators i talked to in prison who

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don't really talk about it about the sex

don't really talk about it about the sex
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they sort of

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they talk about love they talk about

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needs they talk about

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uh all sorts of things that are not

uh all sorts of things that are not
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really about sex and i think with jimmy

really about sex and i think with jimmy
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you know there's something kind of

you know there's something kind of
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rather androgynous and unsexual about

rather androgynous and unsexual about
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him and it wasn't about sex it's the

him and it wasn't about sex it's the
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fact that he could do this

fact that he could do this
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you know yeah in interviews he always

you know yeah in interviews he always
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joked about not knowing what love meant

joked about not knowing what love meant
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we also spoke to charles halligan oh did

we also spoke to charles halligan oh did
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you you're a close friend and colleague

you you're a close friend and colleague
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from leeds general infirmary he told us

from leeds general infirmary he told us
this

this

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he's always had a knife for the ladies

he's always had a knife for the ladies
um

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the young ones as well

the young ones as well
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when i say young i mean you know the

when i say young i mean you know the
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proper age

proper age
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16 upwards

16 upwards
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he's always had one

he's always had one
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his philosophy would never get married

his philosophy would never get married
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because i don't think i could stick with

because i don't think i could stick with
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the person more than three days

the person more than three days
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is he right when it comes to women

is he right when it comes to women
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you've got a short attention span no

you've got a short attention span no
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women know too much i'm all for girls

women know too much i'm all for girls
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that don't know too much it's a

that don't know too much it's a
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when you are single it's because of some

when you are single it's because of some
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reason that you like being single

reason that you like being single
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uh jesus didn't find any problem with it

uh jesus didn't find any problem with it
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i don't find any problem with it uh a

i don't find any problem with it uh a
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lot of the time

lot of the time
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people say what

people say what
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you're still singing never got married

you're still singing never got married
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why didn't you get married the answer is

why didn't you get married the answer is
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i have the faintest idea but we don't

i have the faintest idea but we don't
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believe that jesus was quite a ladies

believe that jesus was quite a ladies
man

man

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though you are or have said you were no

though you are or have said you were no
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no no he used to knock about with the

no no he used to knock about with the
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ladies it says so in the book

ladies it says so in the book
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the period of time between his offending

the period of time between his offending
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behavior

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certainly moved between the 60s all the

certainly moved between the 60s all the
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way up to the late 2000s so i think his

way up to the late 2000s so i think his
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last offending was around 2007 2008

last offending was around 2007 2008
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something like that and his earliest

something like that and his earliest
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offending in the 1960s uh in his his

offending in the 1960s uh in his his
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offending didn't change that much

offending didn't change that much
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it became less aggressive in the latter

it became less aggressive in the latter
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years he became older but in the early

years he became older but in the early
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years aggression

years aggression
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power and control were one crucial

power and control were one crucial
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element of his offending behavior he was

element of his offending behavior he was
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he was a particularly

he was a particularly
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nasty early offender

nasty early offender
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i think it probably would be fair to say

i think it probably would be fair to say
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that the majority of his victims were

that the majority of his victims were
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from a vulnerable element not just in

from a vulnerable element not just in
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terms of their age but because of their

terms of their age but because of their
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their social background so perhaps they

their social background so perhaps they
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sought out the opportunity to to spend

sought out the opportunity to to spend
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time away from home

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they didn't have that relationship

they didn't have that relationship
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perhaps where they spent a lot of time

perhaps where they spent a lot of time
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at home which would take him away from

at home which would take him away from
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being an environment with savile and of

being an environment with savile and of
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course savile had status around him

course savile had status around him
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quite quickly he became this local dj

quite quickly he became this local dj
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you know he cr when you go back to his

you know he cr when you go back to his
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very early days he created this this

very early days he created this this
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disco club

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and then that took him on to the scene

and then that took him on to the scene
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in terms of then doing um the bbc stuff

in terms of then doing um the bbc stuff
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and of course he became a massive

and of course he became a massive
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massive name

massive name
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and so i think the large majority of his

and so i think the large majority of his
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victims were of that

victims were of that
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that society where they perhaps

that society where they perhaps
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sought out something away from their

sought out something away from their
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home life not all of them there were a

home life not all of them there were a
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lot of people who were very

lot of people who were very
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very loved at home and very cared for

very loved at home and very cared for
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because savile didn't discriminate

because savile didn't discriminate
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either way what savile did do of course

either way what savile did do of course
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and this is not just savile this is any

and this is not just savile this is any
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offender is they're very clear in terms

offender is they're very clear in terms
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of their targeting so offenders very

of their targeting so offenders very
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quickly will realize

quickly will realize
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whether you are the right person to

whether you are the right person to
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target they'll do certain things they

target they'll do certain things they
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might say things they might do things

might say things they might do things
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that actually test the waters in terms

that actually test the waters in terms
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of whether or not they can push the

of whether or not they can push the
boundaries

boundaries

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and and therefore if they get away with

and and therefore if they get away with
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it they'll continue and of course if

it they'll continue and of course if
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they're blocked or they don't or the

they're blocked or they don't or the
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response isn't what is positive they

response isn't what is positive they
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won't do it

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so they'll target them and of course the

so they'll target them and of course the
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more vulnerable you are the more seeking

more vulnerable you are the more seeking
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you are of having some kind of

you are of having some kind of
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relationship whether that be in a purely

relationship whether that be in a purely
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platonic way but but but forming that

platonic way but but but forming that
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kind of relationship i mean there are

kind of relationship i mean there are
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people out there who

people out there who
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see someone on telly and think they know

see someone on telly and think they know
him

him

him
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yeah you know they see that person and

yeah you know they see that person and
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automatically they have that

automatically they have that
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relationship with them and i get that

relationship with them and i get that
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that's fine you know but i think that

that's fine you know but i think that
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way then there were people that

way then there were people that
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obviously sought savile out because of

obviously sought savile out because of
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who he was and because of his status and

who he was and because of his status and
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thought you know actually he's an

thought you know actually he's an
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opening to this and savile did for some

opening to this and savile did for some
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not to the degree of course at others

not to the degree of course at others
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you know max clifford was a classic one

you know max clifford was a classic one
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you know this um couch scenario where he

you know this um couch scenario where he
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offered people opportunities to to get

offered people opportunities to to get
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into modeling or to get into television

into modeling or to get into television
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or to get into film but savile did that

or to get into film but savile did that
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to some

to some
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very well you realize of course that i

very well you realize of course that i
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must tonight kidnap all your ladies

must tonight kidnap all your ladies
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i have learned to love them i don't know

i have learned to love them i don't know
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which one i want yet quite

which one i want yet quite
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why do you think someone like savile got

why do you think someone like savile got
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away with it until he died

away with it until he died
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versus someone like gary glitter who got

versus someone like gary glitter who got
busted

busted

busted
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and lots of other

and lots of other
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people who got blasted just the sheer

people who got blasted just the sheer
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scale the fact that he was said to jimmy

scale the fact that he was said to jimmy
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several the fact that he was friends

several the fact that he was friends
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with uh people in royalty he was too big

with uh people in royalty he was too big
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to topple

to topple
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and i think that's that there's a lesson

and i think that's that there's a lesson
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to be learned there nobody should be too

to be learned there nobody should be too
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big to topple but but uh

big to topple but but uh
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uh you know he he he was such an

uh you know he he he was such an
important

important

important
uh

uh

uh
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part of the entertainment industry he he

part of the entertainment industry he he
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he knew so many people

he knew so many people
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um he was nasty you know people who had

um he was nasty you know people who had
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personal dealings with us saying he was

personal dealings with us saying he was
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very nasty you know he was he was you

very nasty you know he was he was you
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know his public persona was not his real

know his public persona was not his real
persona

persona

persona
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um uh

um uh
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you know he was rich uh

you know he was rich uh
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you know he drove around in rolls royces

you know he drove around in rolls royces
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and stuff he was a do-gooder

and stuff he was a do-gooder
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so people said oh jimmy so you can't

so people said oh jimmy so you can't
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believe that so he had everything going

believe that so he had everything going
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for him to stop this

for him to stop this
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as well as the uh as we mentioned before

as well as the uh as we mentioned before
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the lawyers uh in newspapers who would

the lawyers uh in newspapers who would
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be reluctant to go from so so that that

be reluctant to go from so so that that
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in every respect he was

in every respect he was
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so victims fall into many different

so victims fall into many different
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categories often people say that

categories often people say that
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actually the more severe the offense

actually the more severe the offense
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against people the more difficult it is

against people the more difficult it is
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for someone to talk about it but

for someone to talk about it but
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actually that ignores the fact that the

actually that ignores the fact that the
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impact of an individual of an offense

impact of an individual of an offense
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differs depending on what has happened

differs depending on what has happened
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to you so somebody might be raped but

to you so somebody might be raped but
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they might deal with that really well

they might deal with that really well
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another person might be indecently

another person might be indecently
touched

touched

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but their impact on them is greater than

but their impact on them is greater than
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the person that's been raped so when you

the person that's been raped so when you
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look at it in terms of the severity of

look at it in terms of the severity of
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the offense that fails to ignore the

the offense that fails to ignore the
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impact of the individual

impact of the individual
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so when you're talking to these people

so when you're talking to these people
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it is literally about saying to them

it is literally about saying to them
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look you know these are very difficult

look you know these are very difficult
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things that have happened perhaps in

things that have happened perhaps in
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your life

your life
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but we need to be i'd like to talk about

but we need to be i'd like to talk about
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it and by enlarge because of my

it and by enlarge because of my
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experience and my use to be able to deal

experience and my use to be able to deal
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that you know i'm i'm experienced in

that you know i'm i'm experienced in
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interviewing children in adults in terms

interviewing children in adults in terms
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of sexual offenses so i know exactly how

of sexual offenses so i know exactly how
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to talk to people without doing all the

to talk to people without doing all the
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triggers but crucially what you do find

triggers but crucially what you do find
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is that

is that
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the only way that people can move on

the only way that people can move on
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with their life is to deal with what's

with their life is to deal with what's
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happened in the past and that applies to

happened in the past and that applies to
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so many environments

so many environments
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so when you say that he knew people's

so when you say that he knew people's
secrets

secrets

secrets
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are implying that there were possibly

are implying that there were possibly
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powerful co-conspirators in his crimes

powerful co-conspirators in his crimes
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absolutely yeah whether they were

absolutely yeah whether they were
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whether they're perceived to be as

whether they're perceived to be as
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powerful as him i'd say not i think he

powerful as him i'd say not i think he
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was the most powerful by

was the most powerful by
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overwhelmingly but there are other

overwhelmingly but there are other
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co-offenders with him who offended with

co-offenders with him who offended with
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him no doubt about that we got evidence

him no doubt about that we got evidence
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compelling evidence in relation to that

compelling evidence in relation to that
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and there are a couple i think that have

and there are a couple i think that have
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been prosecuted or certainly going

been prosecuted or certainly going
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through that process and there are

through that process and there are
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others that have got away with it but

others that have got away with it but
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there's no doubt that overwhelmingly

there's no doubt that overwhelmingly
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savile committed his offenses on his own

savile committed his offenses on his own
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overwhelmingly but there are a small

overwhelmingly but there are a small
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number of occasions

number of occasions
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when he committed offenses with other

when he committed offenses with other
people

people

people
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and he knew exactly what their offenses

and he knew exactly what their offenses
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were and of course he had the power and

were and of course he had the power and
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control over them so he was able then to

control over them so he was able then to
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to bring him into his confidence and and

to bring him into his confidence and and
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have that power over him the suggestion

have that power over him the suggestion
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that he was part of some pedophile

that he was part of some pedophile
network

network

network
no

no

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i mean people who've suggested that are

i mean people who've suggested that are
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people who don't understand firstly how

people who don't understand firstly how
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pedophile operates and secondly how

pedophile operates and secondly how
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jimmy savol offended jimmy savile was

jimmy savol offended jimmy savile was
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the type of person who

the type of person who
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could not he would not have offended

could not he would not have offended
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against somebody else

against somebody else
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so he would not have offended had that

so he would not have offended had that
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other person either not been offending

other person either not been offending
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with in in the same room as him but he

with in in the same room as him but he
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was also very careful because he knew

was also very careful because he knew
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that his world could come down very very

that his world could come down very very
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quickly and very few offenders

quickly and very few offenders
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commit their offenses this idea that

commit their offenses this idea that
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there are lots and lots of pedophile

there are lots and lots of pedophile
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rings operating all over the place is

rings operating all over the place is
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just not true there are people that

just not true there are people that
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share lots of other child abuse material

share lots of other child abuse material
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with other people that doesn't make them

with other people that doesn't make them
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a paedophile it just simply

a paedophile it just simply
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means that they've shared with other

means that they've shared with other
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so the charity

so the charity
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all raising all the millions did he use

all raising all the millions did he use
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that as a shield to protect himself

that as a shield to protect himself
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yeah i think his so

yeah i think his so
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i've quoted and i was created in the

i've quoted and i was created in the
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radio times for saying this man created

radio times for saying this man created
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some of his shows as a vehicle for his

some of his shows as a vehicle for his
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offending behavior and i truly believe

offending behavior and i truly believe
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that he did because the elements of

that he did because the elements of
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offending behavior are two-fold

offending behavior are two-fold
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access and opportunity

access and opportunity
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right so the access to children

right so the access to children
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and the opportunity to offend so he

and the opportunity to offend so he
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created the access to children through

created the access to children through
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his vehicles through his ability to be

his vehicles through his ability to be
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able to see children spend time with

able to see children spend time with
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children and his opportunity was to be

children and his opportunity was to be
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alone with them because he was a

alone with them because he was a
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respectable individual so he got access

respectable individual so he got access
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to children and the opportunity and so

to children and the opportunity and so
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those two key elements of offending

those two key elements of offending
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behavior were present and i believe that

behavior were present and i believe that
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he created some of those opportunities

he created some of those opportunities
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now whether he created every opportunity

now whether he created every opportunity
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in order to offend i doubt it because

in order to offend i doubt it because
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people are not

people are not
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bad all the time they're just bad

bad all the time they're just bad
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either a bit of the time or a lot of the

either a bit of the time or a lot of the
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time so even in the worst individuals

time so even in the worst individuals
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there are positive traits in regards to

there are positive traits in regards to
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those people so i don't believe that

those people so i don't believe that
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that was a forefront of his thoughts all

that was a forefront of his thoughts all
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the time but it obviously was a a large

the time but it obviously was a a large
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element and that enabled him to offend

element and that enabled him to offend
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to the degree that he did which was uh

to the degree that he did which was uh
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some stage off the scale he was

some stage off the scale he was
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offending probably every day at some

offending probably every day at some
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stage

stage
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do you think the astronomical amount of

do you think the astronomical amount of
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money raised for charity insulated him

money raised for charity insulated him
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that was another factor uh all of it as

that was another factor uh all of it as
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if you set out to be an abuser

if you set out to be an abuser
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uh you'd probably set out to do what

uh you'd probably set out to do what
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jimmy savile did wouldn't you you'd say

jimmy savile did wouldn't you you'd say
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oh become a famous tv personality i'll

oh become a famous tv personality i'll
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i'll do all this thing for children's

i'll do all this thing for children's
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hospitals and whatever i mean he did it

hospitals and whatever i mean he did it
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all brilliantly you have to you know you

all brilliantly you have to you know you
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almost have to admire how clever he was

almost have to admire how clever he was
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in his uh predation uh you know

in his uh predation uh you know
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choosing children's hospitals kind of

choosing children's hospitals kind of
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being a humble porter you know

being a humble porter you know
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as we mentioned before kind of which

as we mentioned before kind of which
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gave him access i mean he did everything

gave him access i mean he did everything
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right and then having you know

right and then having you know
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friends at the the the high places

friends at the the the high places
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um uh

um uh
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you know he he he

you know he he he
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he thought it out he was not stupid

he thought it out he was not stupid
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it's not a coincidence

it's not a coincidence
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you know of all these things he did it

you know of all these things he did it
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was all very well thought out just as

was all very well thought out just as
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you know my humble care worker in a

you know my humble care worker in a
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children's home who does it thought it

children's home who does it thought it
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out how do i get access to kits he

out how do i get access to kits he
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thought it out as well and he just

thought it out as well and he just
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thought it out much higher level

thought it out much higher level
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now me when i stand in front of the

now me when i stand in front of the
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table and sent peter's there and he says

table and sent peter's there and he says
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you are not coming in and i'll say well

you are not coming in and i'll say well
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why not let's say because you're a

why not let's say because you're a
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villain and you've showed me the debit

villain and you've showed me the debit
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side and i said hang about and i'll show

side and i said hang about and i'll show
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him the credit side does that mean

him the credit side does that mean
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anything and if he said that means

anything and if he said that means
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nothing they're all threatened to break

nothing they're all threatened to break
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his fingers uh some guy sees me as a

his fingers uh some guy sees me as a
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sinner some guys see me as a villain

sinner some guys see me as a villain
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some guy seems wasting my time you'll

some guy seems wasting my time you'll
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see me as an uncle

see me as an uncle
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we can't understand how people see us

we can't understand how people see us
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but we say if you see me as an uncle

but we say if you see me as an uncle
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i'll try and be a nice uncle to you i'll

i'll try and be a nice uncle to you i'll
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see you later during his lifetime he

see you later during his lifetime he
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gave clues as to his dark side

gave clues as to his dark side
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to a news of the world report he said

to a news of the world report he said
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i'm no saint i want it to be known

i'm no saint i want it to be known
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i'm a great crumpet man

i'm a great crumpet man
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in 1974 a people headline told readers

in 1974 a people headline told readers
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why i never married

why i never married
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i can have my pick of 25 dollies per

i can have my pick of 25 dollies per
night

night

night
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while he was alive there were rumors

while he was alive there were rumors
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all of us

all of us
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what we call the peoples knew what was

what we call the peoples knew what was
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going on

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with the babies as bad as we now know it

with the babies as bad as we now know it
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was yeah we knew we all knew we knew

was yeah we knew we all knew we knew
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you go to top of the pops what you were

you go to top of the pops what you were
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facing it was common knowledge but it

facing it was common knowledge but it
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wasn't common knowledge in the media i

wasn't common knowledge in the media i
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heard the rumors but i was working in an

heard the rumors but i was working in an
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environment that was totally male

environment that was totally male
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do you really think that if i had got

do you really think that if i had got
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said to something somebody at the bbc

said to something somebody at the bbc
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higher up than me this is going on

higher up than me this is going on
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nobody took any note they wouldn't have

nobody took any note they wouldn't have
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taken any notice whatsoever

taken any notice whatsoever
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eight year old girls love jimmy several

eight year old girls love jimmy several
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though don't they and of course anyway i

though don't they and of course anyway i
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won't go on yeah

won't go on yeah
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yeah he loves her slot that's what i'm

yeah he loves her slot that's what i'm
saying

saying

saying
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three life sentences

three life sentences
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a spokesman said you think you know a

a spokesman said you think you know a
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guy and then he goes and does something

guy and then he goes and does something
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like that

like that
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journalists and filmmakers probed

journalists and filmmakers probed
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they kind of already knew the truth

they kind of already knew the truth
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when challenged he put up a shield

when challenged he put up a shield
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and denied the rumors time and time

and denied the rumors time and time
again

again

again
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and a gentleman never grasped on leaders

and a gentleman never grasped on leaders
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as ever but we're not asking for names

as ever but we're not asking for names
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we're just asking for the general

we're just asking for the general
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principles i mean we just want to know

principles i mean we just want to know
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if you live this play by life of the dj

if you live this play by life of the dj
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yeah give or take a good night later

yeah give or take a good night later
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but i mean

but i mean
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you know

you know
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a gentleman doesn't ever speak of lady

a gentleman doesn't ever speak of lady
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well i don't know where you come from

well i don't know where you come from
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i don't know what your circles are but

i don't know what your circles are but
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my circles

my circles
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ladies are very

ladies are very
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you don't grass on them the sunny mirror

you don't grass on them the sunny mirror
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and other papers heard stories about

and other papers heard stories about
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savile over the years

savile over the years
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victims reported their stories

victims reported their stories
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but editors always chose not to run the

but editors always chose not to run the
stories

stories

stories
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savile was quick to threaten legal

savile was quick to threaten legal
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action was adept at playing the media

action was adept at playing the media
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from your experience working in the

from your experience working in the
press

press

press
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do you have any knowledge of media

do you have any knowledge of media
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investigations into savile

investigations into savile
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or knowledge of similar cases where the

or knowledge of similar cases where the
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press had to sit on a story for fear of

press had to sit on a story for fear of
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being sued

being sued
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um well we were often scared of being

um well we were often scared of being
sued

sued

sued
and

and

and
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you know i did some quite investigative

you know i did some quite investigative
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stuff uh when i worked on the

stuff uh when i worked on the
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independent newspaper um and you know

independent newspaper um and you know
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the lawyers uh

the lawyers uh
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uh they don't they didn't have a final

uh they don't they didn't have a final
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say the editors have the final say but

say the editors have the final say but
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but you know if the lawyers strongly

but you know if the lawyers strongly
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counsel against doing something uh you

counsel against doing something uh you
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have to uh accept that

have to uh accept that
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with jimmy savile uh

with jimmy savile uh
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i mean yes he was litigious and so it's

i mean yes he was litigious and so it's
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difficult to

difficult to
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uh then actually uh go right up against

uh then actually uh go right up against
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him he was very famous

him he was very famous
uh

uh

uh
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he was uh you know quite powerful

he was uh you know quite powerful
um

um

um
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so i i do i

so i i do i
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sean i partly understand this but

sean i partly understand this but
actually

actually

actually
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i still wonder about it you know that

i still wonder about it you know that
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because i did even on the independent

because i did even on the independent
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when i was there in the in the in the

when i was there in the in the in the
90s

90s

90s
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there were stuff coming up about uh

there were stuff coming up about uh
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jimmy savile and and people

jimmy savile and and people
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people would kind of occasionally

people would kind of occasionally
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mention it so so clearly they heard

mention it so so clearly they heard
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rumors rumors about these stories

rumors rumors about these stories
um

um

um
and

and

and
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you have to devote quite a lot of

you have to devote quite a lot of
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resources to it i mean you you have to

resources to it i mean you you have to
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for example i mean look at the uh the

for example i mean look at the uh the
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chicago sorry the boston story of the

chicago sorry the boston story of the
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the priest that was then the film you

the priest that was then the film you
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know and and

know and and
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you you then look at that film and you

you you then look at that film and you
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see that it took them you know a long

see that it took them you know a long
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long time to nail that priest you know

long time to nail that priest you know
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literally years

literally years
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literally they had to wait i found a

literally they had to wait i found a
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really good witness and so on so some of

really good witness and so on so some of
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it is just a lack of resources

it is just a lack of resources
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but even then i do wonder

but even then i do wonder
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just why nobody quite had the guts to do

just why nobody quite had the guts to do
it

it

it
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i and i suppose uh

i and i suppose uh
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did they did they

did they did they
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you know were they prevented from doing

you know were they prevented from doing
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so somehow

so somehow
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okay let's imagine what would you know

okay let's imagine what would you know
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the front page story would be very very

the front page story would be very very
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big you know uh

big you know uh
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jimmy staval in sex scandal you know uh

jimmy staval in sex scandal you know uh
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witnesses blah blah blah you know he

witnesses blah blah blah you know he
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it would have been a really really big

it would have been a really really big
story

story

story
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um uh you know bigger probably than any

um uh you know bigger probably than any
other

other

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uh sex scandal story we've had he he was

uh sex scandal story we've had he he was
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he was a really powerful character uh on

he was a really powerful character uh on
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the tv every you know every week or

the tv every you know every week or
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several times a week and

several times a week and
um

um

um
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you know it would have taken a lot of

you know it would have taken a lot of
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if i

if i
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arrive at the gates of heaven

arrive at the gates of heaven
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and said peter says

and said peter says
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you've been a very tricky man you can't

you've been a very tricky man you can't
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come in here

come in here
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i'll break his thumbs

i'll break his thumbs
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because i'm qualified to do that so

because i'm qualified to do that so
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they're living being a wrestler brexit

they're living being a wrestler brexit
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and i've never had a problem yet with

and i've never had a problem yet with
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anybody who's something broke

anybody who's something broke
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you talk about that though as if there's

you talk about that though as if there's
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reasons for you going downstairs do you

reasons for you going downstairs do you
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have a conscience about that is there

have a conscience about that is there
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stuff you've done that thing you think

stuff you've done that thing you think
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jimmy savile died in october 2011.

jimmy savile died in october 2011.
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he was seen as a national treasure a

he was seen as a national treasure a
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british eccentric with decades of fame

british eccentric with decades of fame
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he was viewed as a hero for the millions

he was viewed as a hero for the millions
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he raised for charity

he raised for charity
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a friend of royalty and senior

a friend of royalty and senior
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politicians

politicians
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savile was knighted by the queen and the

savile was knighted by the queen and the
pope

pope

pope
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so savile was a friend of margaret

so savile was a friend of margaret
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thatcher

thatcher
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when charles and i had marital problems

when charles and i had marital problems
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he was brought in as a marriage guidance

he was brought in as a marriage guidance
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counselor by the royal family

counselor by the royal family
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how does a

how does a
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you know a guy from the north

you know a guy from the north
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very humble roots

very humble roots
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this jockey

this jockey
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rise to such

rise to such
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associations it's personality sean it it

associations it's personality sean it it
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you know he he did have a

you know he he did have a
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uh

uh
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you know

you know
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uh i mean as i said i don't think he was

uh i mean as i said i don't think he was
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particularly funny but he had a

particularly funny but he had a
certain

certain

certain
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wit about him uh

wit about him uh
uh

uh

uh
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i don't think one could say charm really

i don't think one could say charm really
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he wasn't very charming like psychopaths

he wasn't very charming like psychopaths
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are described as charming yeah

are described as charming yeah
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yeah i suppose i suppose you know

yeah i suppose i suppose you know
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uh you know maybe he made people laugh a

uh you know maybe he made people laugh a
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bit with his stupid laugh himself and

bit with his stupid laugh himself and
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his kind of whole

his kind of whole
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you know all that kind of stuff

you know all that kind of stuff
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um and uh

um and uh
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i didn't know that actually that he was

i didn't know that actually that he was
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actually asked a marriage counselor you

actually asked a marriage counselor you
can't

can't

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i mean you can't imagine anybody worse

i mean you can't imagine anybody worse
really

really

really
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princess diana wrote that he was creepy

princess diana wrote that he was creepy
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she found him very creepy good for her

she found him very creepy good for her
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yes i'm not surprising

yes i'm not surprising
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she got it you know for once but as

she got it you know for once but as
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usual princess diana got it better than

usual princess diana got it better than
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uh charles or his mother uh

uh charles or his mother uh
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it i mean it

it i mean it
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i think you maybe you have to understand

i think you maybe you have to understand
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uh that

uh that
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uh actors entertain people in the

uh actors entertain people in the
entertainment

entertainment

entertainment
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jumper class or two don't they i mean

jumper class or two don't they i mean
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they might come from humble roots

they might come from humble roots
but

but

but
uh

uh

uh
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they they they actually jump out you

they they they actually jump out you
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only have to look at the beatles who are

only have to look at the beatles who are
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kind of like royalty now or silla black

kind of like royalty now or silla black
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you know one of our great uh singers

you know one of our great uh singers
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who you know became just a household

who you know became just a household
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name and she was on all sorts of tv

name and she was on all sorts of tv
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programs dating programs and as well as

programs dating programs and as well as
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being a singer that that people in the

being a singer that that people in the
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entertainment industry are kind of de

entertainment industry are kind of de
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in a way they they jump at you know we

in a way they they jump at you know we
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have this entrenched class system in the

have this entrenched class system in the
uk

uk

uk
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uh that uh you know generally people

uh that uh you know generally people
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can't escape from but the one escape and

can't escape from but the one escape and
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i think this is true in america as well

i think this is true in america as well
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that that uh you know real

that that uh you know real
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stars kind of get out of of of their

stars kind of get out of of of their
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class and so so they then become part of

class and so so they then become part of
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the the red carpet elite

the the red carpet elite
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um and that's maybe why they that you

um and that's maybe why they that you
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know the royal family were being dumb

know the royal family were being dumb
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enough to work out the marital problems

enough to work out the marital problems
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of somebody who should never have

of somebody who should never have
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married that young woman anyway and

married that young woman anyway and
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that's another whole story but it wasn't

that's another whole story but it wasn't
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it wasn't an issue that could be sold by

it wasn't an issue that could be sold by
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counselling it was an issue that that

counselling it was an issue that that
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should never have taken place for the

should never have taken place for the
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first time because he was as we know uh

first time because he was as we know uh
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consorting with somebody else all the

consorting with somebody else all the
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way through but um you know that's

way through but um you know that's
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so i suppose it was like

so i suppose it was like
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a bit of kind of uh

a bit of kind of uh
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pulling uh

pulling uh
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savile out as a bit of a figurehead

savile out as a bit of a figurehead
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wasn't it was a kind of you know

wasn't it was a kind of you know
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somebody who was kind of very famous oh

somebody who was kind of very famous oh
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which showing we're doing something

which showing we're doing something
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so i can understand the red carpet

so i can understand the red carpet
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effect and savile mesmerizing the masses

effect and savile mesmerizing the masses
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being on the tv all the time

being on the tv all the time
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it's a waltz into buckingham palace

it's a waltz into buckingham palace
whereby

whereby

whereby
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there's a royal protection police force

there's a royal protection police force
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who would investigate you know your

who would investigate you know your
background

background

background
and

and

and
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they would have probably been aware of

they would have probably been aware of
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the accusations against him

the accusations against him
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why would they

why would they
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allow the royals top royals to associate

allow the royals top royals to associate
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with someone who had such claims against

with someone who had such claims against
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him yes that's a good question i i'm

him yes that's a good question i i'm
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may i could only think that they didn't

may i could only think that they didn't
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investigate him sufficiently because i

investigate him sufficiently because i
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think if they had they would have come

think if they had they would have come
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across that and

across that and
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you know remember he became sir jimmy

you know remember he became sir jimmy
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savile didn't he you know so he was

savile didn't he you know so he was
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knighted so he was uh in and out and he

knighted so he was uh in and out and he
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was in the in back in about he was a

was in the in back in about he was a
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friend of prince charles's wasn't he i

friend of prince charles's wasn't he i
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mean he actually was a friend quote

mean he actually was a friend quote
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unquote you know like that they actually

unquote you know like that they actually
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uh did things together um

uh did things together um
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you know when it was seen in public kind

you know when it was seen in public kind
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of kind of together so

of kind of together so
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um uh

um uh
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i think he was above reproach

i think he was above reproach
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come on sean if you get up there really

come on sean if you get up there really
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up there you're above approach mate you

up there you're above approach mate you
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know you you kind of you know nobody's

know you you kind of you know nobody's
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question i mean nobody would look at

question i mean nobody would look at
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david beckham and think oh we better

david beckham and think oh we better
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check him out whether he was done for

check him out whether he was done for
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shoplifting when he was 12 or something

shoplifting when he was 12 or something
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you know

you know
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you get you get kind of

you get you get kind of
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you get above all that and i think that

you get above all that and i think that
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that's what happened and the english

that's what happened and the english
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upper classes are are daft enough to be

upper classes are are daft enough to be
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taken in by by that sort of uh

taken in by by that sort of uh
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uh uh um

uh uh um
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uh kind of uh scale of you know getting

uh kind of uh scale of you know getting
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up so high that uh nobody's gonna

up so high that uh nobody's gonna
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question you i think i think they were

question you i think i think they were
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taken in by that you think he was an

taken in by that you think he was an
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illusionist yes absolutely

illusionist yes absolutely
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when he was finally exposed his fall

when he was finally exposed his fall
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from grace shocked the world

from grace shocked the world
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never before has someone's reputation

never before has someone's reputation
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he was a complex man with several sides

he was a complex man with several sides
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to his personality

to his personality
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he could easily flip between roles

he could easily flip between roles
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charity worker to famous dj

charity worker to famous dj
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from abuser to tv personality to all

from abuser to tv personality to all
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uh supposedly yourself have said that

uh supposedly yourself have said that
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you've got hundreds of girls in planes

you've got hundreds of girls in planes
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trains etc yeah surely this is a

trains etc yeah surely this is a
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contradiction in terms of your own

contradiction in terms of your own
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religious beliefs well it all depends

religious beliefs well it all depends
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you see i'm like a blip on the side of

you see i'm like a blip on the side of
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life and i just do my thing and mind my

life and i just do my thing and mind my
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own business and do it away and seem to

own business and do it away and seem to
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one did prove to be untouchable and that

one did prove to be untouchable and that
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is jimmy seville

is jimmy seville
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how was he able to get away with it for

how was he able to get away with it for
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so long well jimmy savile

so long well jimmy savile
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he made sure he had friends in every

he made sure he had friends in every
element

element

element
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so jimmy savile had what he called his

so jimmy savile had what he called his
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monday club they were the police

monday club they were the police
officers

officers

officers
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that came round to his flattened leads

that came round to his flattened leads
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jimmy savile had margaret thatcher who

jimmy savile had margaret thatcher who
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tried to get him ennobled

tried to get him ennobled
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i think it was 14 times or something

i think it was 14 times or something
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every time her advisor said no

every time her advisor said no
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but he kept pestering her jimmy savile

but he kept pestering her jimmy savile
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had access to broadmoor jimmy savile

had access to broadmoor jimmy savile
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heard edwina curry jimmy savile had

heard edwina curry jimmy savile had
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prince charles jimmy seville had

prince charles jimmy seville had
everybody

everybody

everybody
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he found his way because he was clever

he found his way because he was clever
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he knew that if he knew somebody in

he knew that if he knew somebody in
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every circuit

every circuit
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he'd always have a way out

he'd always have a way out
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he'd go well

he'd go well
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he caught and any time when he was

he caught and any time when he was
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questioned by louis farrow

questioned by louis farrow
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in that car when they were driving in

in that car when they were driving in
scotland

scotland

scotland
um

um

um
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have you you know people say things

have you you know people say things
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about you said they can say whatever

about you said they can say whatever
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they want about me he said if they say

they want about me he said if they say
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anymore i'll bring them all down

anymore i'll bring them all down
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wow and that was and you watch watch the

wow and that was and you watch watch the
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louis peru program i advise you to see

louis peru program i advise you to see
it

it

it
and

and

and
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you will see him say that in the back of

you will see him say that in the back of
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a car and he was open

a car and he was open
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he was open about everything he did

he was open about everything he did
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he was a

he was a
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he just thought that you know he could

he just thought that you know he could
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just carry on regardless

just carry on regardless
and

and

and
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people like max clifford enabled these

people like max clifford enabled these
people

people

people
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with their fake stories so max clifford

with their fake stories so max clifford
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would trade a story that recent program

would trade a story that recent program
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on the bbc or channel 4 whatever it was

on the bbc or channel 4 whatever it was
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i don't know why they showed it it was

i don't know why they showed it it was
pointless

pointless

pointless
said

said

said
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oh you know he just he just did this and

oh you know he just he just did this and
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he did that he did no he traded x to

he did that he did no he traded x to
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protect y

protect y
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they knew that that was the game

they knew that that was the game
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they actually viewed it as a game

they actually viewed it as a game
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so they all work together

so they all work together
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it's power it's money you're talking

it's power it's money you're talking
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about the prime minister margaret

about the prime minister margaret
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thatcher at the time she sent him a

thatcher at the time she sent him a
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letter background map giving him the

letter background map giving him the
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biggest ass

biggest ass
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kissing he's ever read

kissing he's ever read
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pope john paul ii

pope john paul ii
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a papal knighthood

a papal knighthood
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recommended by basil hume

recommended by basil hume
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you have then have

you have then have
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i'm going to bring up kia stammer

i'm going to bring up kia stammer
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because around about

because around about
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98 he was in charge of the cps it could

98 he was in charge of the cps it could
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have been around about it might have

have been around about it might have
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been a bit later

been a bit later
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he even apologized after savile died and

he even apologized after savile died and
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said i'm sorry we didn't take the chance

said i'm sorry we didn't take the chance
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now the only reason he didn't take the

now the only reason he didn't take the
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chances is because it went the court and

chances is because it went the court and
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he was found not guilty starman's ass is

he was found not guilty starman's ass is
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kicked he's out of a job

kicked he's out of a job
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he don't get his knight

he don't get his knight
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but he gets united for failure

but he gets united for failure
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like everyone else has got that night

like everyone else has got that night
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where people get knighted and rewarded

where people get knighted and rewarded
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for failure

for failure
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the people at broadway

the people at broadway
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have got rewarded for failure

have got rewarded for failure
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they've been putting some high

they've been putting some high
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if i fail

if i fail
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i'll get me ass kicked if you fail sean

i'll get me ass kicked if you fail sean
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you get a big kicking over it

you get a big kicking over it
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the same as everyone else in this room

the same as everyone else in this room
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if we fail or balls up

if we fail or balls up
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but if you're in power and you've got

but if you're in power and you've got
money

money

money
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you will get

you will get
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the biggest ass lick from the

the biggest ass lick from the
establishment

establishment

establishment
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that you've ever got

that you've ever got
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so we've seen a parallel with this

so we've seen a parallel with this
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celebrity association then whereby

celebrity association then whereby
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epstein had pictures of

epstein had pictures of
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like himself with the clintons plastered

like himself with the clintons plastered
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all over the place and savile had

all over the place and savile had
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pictures of him with elvis presley the

pictures of him with elvis presley the
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beatles yeah these pictures were

beatles yeah these pictures were
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duplicated and and um put throughout

duplicated and and um put throughout
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various of his locations barbara bush

various of his locations barbara bush
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that was another one

that was another one
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james wilson vincent savile

james wilson vincent savile
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was aptly born on halloween

was aptly born on halloween
in

in

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1926 he was one of seven children to

1926 he was one of seven children to
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parents agnes and vince

parents agnes and vince
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he was the youngest child and possibly

he was the youngest child and possibly
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an unplanned child

an unplanned child
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born five years after his next youngest

born five years after his next youngest
sibling

sibling

sibling
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the saviles were working class

the saviles were working class
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jimmy was a small undernourished child

jimmy was a small undernourished child
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and often ill

and often ill
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one account details an accident where as

one account details an accident where as
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an infant he fell out of a pram

an infant he fell out of a pram
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severing a muscle in his neck

severing a muscle in his neck
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when the muscle refused to heal

when the muscle refused to heal
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he was left with an unusual condition

he was left with an unusual condition
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whereby he couldn't close his eyes

whereby he couldn't close his eyes
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he slept with his eyes wide open

he slept with his eyes wide open
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stirring at the ceiling

stirring at the ceiling
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he would have spasms

he would have spasms
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doctors wanted to operate on him but his

doctors wanted to operate on him but his
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mother wouldn't let them

mother wouldn't let them
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eventually the infant recovered

eventually the infant recovered
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for some time his parents had feared the

for some time his parents had feared the
worst

worst

worst
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all right so a huge part of your book

all right so a huge part of your book
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broadmoor sinister is the savile story

broadmoor sinister is the savile story
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and you went and researched his entire

and you went and researched his entire
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family upbringing did you yeah

family upbringing did you yeah
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because he had a strange medical

because he had a strange medical
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situation whereby his eyes wouldn't

situation whereby his eyes wouldn't
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close didn't he

close didn't he
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yeah and he was like the miracle child

yeah and he was like the miracle child
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that he exists you know he didn't they

that he exists you know he didn't they
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say i mean well his brother he had a

say i mean well his brother he had a
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brother called john and another love

brother called john and another love
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called vincent and as they grew older

called vincent and as they grew older
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they turned on the tell the stories that

they turned on the tell the stories that
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he was a a gifted child this is why him

he was a a gifted child this is why him
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and his mum

and his mum
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who we called the duchess were very

who we called the duchess were very
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close agnes

close agnes
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um it was about three months old that he

um it was about three months old that he
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actually or four month old that he was

actually or four month old that he was
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actually being pushed in the buggy and

actually being pushed in the buggy and
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he fell out the buggy

he fell out the buggy
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causing substantial injuries which

causing substantial injuries which
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resulted in several being

resulted in several being
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placed into a hospital for three months

placed into a hospital for three months
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they actually thought they were going to

they actually thought they were going to
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and as time got on

and as time got on
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he was the sort of dream child of all

he was the sort of dream child of all
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the brothers and all the sisters

the brothers and all the sisters
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he was the one that they all

he was the one that they all
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sort of rallied around

sort of rallied around
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you know that he was that type of

you know that he was that type of
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special kid to them

special kid to them
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and how do you think that played into

and how do you think that played into
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his psychology then

his psychology then
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his feelings of you know

his feelings of you know
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invincibility and superiority do you

invincibility and superiority do you
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think that anchors back to

think that anchors back to
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his miraculous survival of his illness i

his miraculous survival of his illness i
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think it probably anchors back to

think it probably anchors back to
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if you've got that shoulders that

if you've got that shoulders that
everyone

everyone

everyone
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rallies around it makes you feel special

rallies around it makes you feel special
yeah

yeah

yeah
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so then you can start playing the game

so then you can start playing the game
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of hitting one off against the other

of hitting one off against the other
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this is where i think that half of

this is where i think that half of
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trouble you know

trouble you know
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if he wants something

if he wants something
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if someone wasn't going to give it to

if someone wasn't going to give it to
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him he'd ask somebody else

him he'd ask somebody else
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um he didn't pick his parents off

um he didn't pick his parents off
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against each other because he didn't

against each other because he didn't
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have really much to do with his father i

have really much to do with his father i
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mean his father died in it's 1955.

mean his father died in it's 1955.
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he was an insurance

he was an insurance
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salesman he just went out to work and

salesman he just went out to work and
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come back as his mother

come back as his mother
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and his siblings

and his siblings
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but they all they paired them off

but they all they paired them off
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savile lived through the second world

savile lived through the second world
war

war

war
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leeds wasn't bombed as badly as other

leeds wasn't bombed as badly as other
cities

cities

cities
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he didn't evacuate and remained in the

he didn't evacuate and remained in the
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west yorkshire city for the entire

west yorkshire city for the entire
conflict

during this time he took an interest in

during this time he took an interest in
dance<00:39:45.520> halls

he lost his virginity at a young age

he lost his virginity at a young age
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to a young woman he had met in a dance

to a young woman he had met in a dance
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hall from his own accounts he was around

hall from his own accounts he was around
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13 to 15 at that time

13 to 15 at that time
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he described the encounter as both

he described the encounter as both
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in 1944

in 1944
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18 year old jimmy savile was conscripted

18 year old jimmy savile was conscripted
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into the coal mines

into the coal mines
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he worked at three different mines in

he worked at three different mines in
yorkshire

yorkshire

yorkshire
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and may have remained in the pits if it

and may have remained in the pits if it
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wasn't for an accident that's ended that

wasn't for an accident that's ended that
career

career

career
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a mile and a half away from the pit

a mile and a half away from the pit
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bottom and two miles from the cold face

bottom and two miles from the cold face
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so what i did i took all my clothes off

so what i did i took all my clothes off
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because it's very warm down the pit i

because it's very warm down the pit i
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took all my clothes off

took all my clothes off
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and folded them in the newspaper and

and folded them in the newspaper and
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worked in the noddy right

worked in the noddy right
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and i saved

and i saved
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a little bit of water in the bottle and

a little bit of water in the bottle and
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just before it was knocking off time

just before it was knocking off time
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i cleaned my hands off and cleaned my

i cleaned my hands off and cleaned my
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face off right and i got back into the

face off right and i got back into the
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pit bottom immaculate

pit bottom immaculate
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now then nobody but nobody ever did

now then nobody but nobody ever did
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eight hours down a pit and came back as

eight hours down a pit and came back as
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immaculate as the set off with white

immaculate as the set off with white
shirts

they were quite convinced that i was a

they were quite convinced that i was a
witch

witch

witch
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and i never said a word

and i never said a word
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and i suddenly realized that if you were

and i suddenly realized that if you were
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different and you didn't say anything

different and you didn't say anything
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about it

about it
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you'll see it's had a tremendous effect

you'll see it's had a tremendous effect
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on people and that stayed with me for

on people and that stayed with me for
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ages and if you go to south carolina

ages and if you go to south carolina
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you'll get some of the old miners when

you'll get some of the old miners when
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you say

you say
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jimmy shovel's done well hasn't it ah

jimmy shovel's done well hasn't it ah
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you look around you'll say

you look around you'll say
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he's not what you think you know

he's not what you think you know
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the forces of darkness are at work there

the forces of darkness are at work there
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so that was the first time that i

so that was the first time that i
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realized to be different

realized to be different
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made you different what was it like him

made you different what was it like him
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growing up wasn't a lot of

growing up wasn't a lot of
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like mining activity in that region and

like mining activity in that region and
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didn't he eventually become a minor yeah

didn't he eventually become a minor yeah
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he became known as a bevin boy um which

he became known as a bevin boy um which
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means he couldn't fight in the second

means he couldn't fight in the second
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world war so he was um conscripted down

world war so he was um conscripted down
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to the mines

to the mines
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at an early age

at an early age
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that didn't last very long because he

that didn't last very long because he
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actually had an accident down in the

actually had an accident down in the
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mines it was an explosion

mines it was an explosion
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that um rendered his back

that um rendered his back
useless

useless

useless
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that didn't last very long at all i mean

that didn't last very long at all i mean
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he claims to be

he claims to be
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um you know you probably see him at a

um you know you probably see him at a
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center half later in life you know with

center half later in life you know with
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the bevin boys and

the bevin boys and
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and you know

and you know
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um remembrance sunday

um remembrance sunday
but

but

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um that was a very short period of his

um that was a very short period of his
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life that wasn't

life that wasn't
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something to be

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you know brag about extensively i mean

you know brag about extensively i mean
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literally a couple of months down the

literally a couple of months down the
mine

so was that part of his uh myth then his

so was that part of his uh myth then his
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legend you know it came from such humble

legend you know it came from such humble
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roots yeah yeah he used that

roots yeah yeah he used that
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quite a lot with people i mean he he

quite a lot with people i mean he he
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played on the um

played on the um
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the downtrodden bit

the downtrodden bit
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you know my mum's hard-working she had

you know my mum's hard-working she had
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to bring up seven kids

to bring up seven kids
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um

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my father went out to work hard to

my father went out to work hard to
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support the family

support the family
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well in fact he was saying insurance

well in fact he was saying insurance
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broker but he was also a bookmaker as

broker but he was also a bookmaker as
well

well

well
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so of course in them times off street

so of course in them times off street
bookmakers

bookmakers

bookmakers
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wasn't the dumb thing

wasn't the dumb thing
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um

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he spent a lot of time with his brother

he spent a lot of time with his brother
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vincent had a lot of time with his

vincent had a lot of time with his
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brother john

brother john
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um

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and vincent was to become a killer

and vincent was to become a killer
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savile was a keen cyclist who took part

savile was a keen cyclist who took part
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in the very first tour of britain

in the very first tour of britain
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he maintained an interest in fitness

he maintained an interest in fitness
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throughout his life

throughout his life
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known for his love of running

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he took part in numerous marathons over

he took part in numerous marathons over
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savile started his media career as a
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manager in dancehalls

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successful in this role he built a

successful in this role he built a
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strong reputation as an innovative

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what happened then was that uh his

what happened then was that uh his
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brother vincent got

brother vincent got
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jimmy into nightclubs being a disc

jimmy into nightclubs being a disc
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jockey so that's how he got into the

jockey so that's how he got into the
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night it was for his brother yeah

night it was for his brother yeah
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his brother is a key to a lot of things

his brother is a key to a lot of things
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not a lot of people know but vincent was

not a lot of people know but vincent was
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a bit of a villain was he yes he was

a bit of a villain was he yes he was
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well known in the underworld scene

well known in the underworld scene
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he had money um he had power

he had money um he had power
um

um

um
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which i think is what

which i think is what
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jimmy savile played on what kind of

jimmy savile played on what kind of
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rackets would his brother have been

rackets would his brother have been
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doing back then cigarette rackets booze

doing back then cigarette rackets booze
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rackets um the nightclub game would have

rackets um the nightclub game would have
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been one of them as well because you can

been one of them as well because you can
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hide a lot behind the nightclub i mean

hide a lot behind the nightclub i mean
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it's manchester you're talking the 50s

it's manchester you're talking the 50s
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early 50s

early 50s
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um up to the 60s i mean that's the time

um up to the 60s i mean that's the time
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when you know

when you know
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you sell booze and and just after

you sell booze and and just after
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all right so he gets this nightclub job

all right so he gets this nightclub job
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then now in the louis thoreau

then now in the louis thoreau
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program

program
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he talks about a situation in nightclub

he talks about a situation in nightclub
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yeah and he kind of reveals

yeah and he kind of reveals
that

that

that
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he had some guy tied up in the basement

he had some guy tied up in the basement
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i think it was

i think it was
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are you able to expand on that i am i

are you able to expand on that i am i
mean

mean

mean
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i i put it down to

i i put it down to
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jimmy using his brother's vincent's

jimmy using his brother's vincent's
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no hell because all jimmy was in the

no hell because all jimmy was in the
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club at the time was a dj he was

club at the time was a dj he was
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spinning records he was the first one to

spinning records he was the first one to
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get people up dancing to records he was

get people up dancing to records he was
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he was

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and what made him popular was he drew

and what made him popular was he drew
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the crowds in

the crowds in
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then just as that started

then just as that started
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started um

started um
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what his brother suggested was

what his brother suggested was
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you know one night clubs so he got jimmy

you know one night clubs so he got jimmy
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into running three nightclubs in the

into running three nightclubs in the
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manchester area

manchester area
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now jimmy said this is a bit of a power

now jimmy said this is a bit of a power
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trip because

trip because
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his attitude was you coming to my club

his attitude was you coming to my club
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you behave

you behave
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you don't behave you know it he was

you don't behave you know it he was
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known to take him downstairs he'd tie

known to take him downstairs he'd tie
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him up and they would get a good beating

him up and they would get a good beating
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you know i mean

you know i mean
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he played on the figure i mean his

he played on the figure i mean his
brother

brother

brother
vincent

vincent

vincent
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is the one that everyone was feared of

is the one that everyone was feared of
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so jimmy used it

so jimmy used it
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you know i mean he used that to

you know i mean he used that to
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to his advantage

to his advantage
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he never let on in later life asked me

he never let on in later life asked me
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brother it was vincent is the key to

brother it was vincent is the key to
everything

so how did he get his lucky break then

so how did he get his lucky break then
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his lucky break came

his lucky break came
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in the 60s there was a radio station

in the 60s there was a radio station
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called radio luxembourg which probably a

called radio luxembourg which probably a
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lot of people would have heard of

lot of people would have heard of
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he was picked up for radio luxembourg

he was picked up for radio luxembourg
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um and that's where he got his lucky

um and that's where he got his lucky
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bike um he had hundreds of thousands of

bike um he had hundreds of thousands of
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listeners all over europe

listeners all over europe
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um very popular

um very popular
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radio slots in the evening

radio slots in the evening
um

um

um
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and that took him for a number of years

and that took him for a number of years
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and he was that then

and he was that then
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eventually the bbc

eventually the bbc
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got wind

got wind
um

um

um
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and that's how he got the radio one job

and that's how he got the radio one job
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he you know he

he you know he
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that they pulled him in

that they pulled him in
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moving into radio he became a dj for the

moving into radio he became a dj for the
bbc

bbc

bbc
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i'll tell you what we'll do now ladies

i'll tell you what we'll do now ladies
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and gentlemen uh top groups top records

and gentlemen uh top groups top records
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top everything so how's about we have a

top everything so how's about we have a
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nice record now by what is definitely

nice record now by what is definitely
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one of the top groups in fact it was

one of the top groups in fact it was
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voted the top group in the rhythm and

voted the top group in the rhythm and
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blue section this year 1967 for no other

blue section this year 1967 for no other
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down deep one and only the rolling

down deep one and only the rolling
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stones and here they come right now

stones and here they come right now
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in television he hosted programs such as

in television he hosted programs such as
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top of the pops

top of the pops
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which i'll never forget

which i'll never forget
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and clunk

and clunk
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click but his most famous show

click but his most famous show
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was jim i'll fix it

was jim i'll fix it
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which made him a national icon

which made him a national icon
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running for over 20 years some episodes

running for over 20 years some episodes
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of the show pulled in

of the show pulled in
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over 30 million viewers

over 30 million viewers
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we got a letter from mary reed from

we got a letter from mary reed from
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saint albans and she says dear jim i

saint albans and she says dear jim i
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have always had an itching to ride on a

have always had an itching to ride on a
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dolphin's back i can swim very well i'm

dolphin's back i can swim very well i'm
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14 years old please could you try and

14 years old please could you try and
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fix it for me

fix it for me
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savile's career gave him access to

savile's career gave him access to
star-struck<00:49:20.880> teenagers

star-struck teenagers

star-struck teenagers
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welcome another edition top of the pops

welcome another edition top of the pops
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lots of nice and ladies about with us

lots of nice and ladies about with us
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this evening a lot of nice records we've

this evening a lot of nice records we've
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got so what we're going to do we're

got so what we're going to do we're
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going to start off at number nine this

going to start off at number nine this
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girl is crazy about this group that's

girl is crazy about this group that's
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going to start it's number 19 it's

going to start it's number 19 it's
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called coco what's the name of the group

called coco what's the name of the group
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yeah which is crazy about them here they

yeah which is crazy about them here they
are

are

are
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he was famous wealthy

he was famous wealthy
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and inclined

and inclined
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in the early days of his promiscuous

in the early days of his promiscuous
life

life

life
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talking to writer and biographer dan

talking to writer and biographer dan
davies

davies

davies
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savile revealed

savile revealed
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this about his days as a dj

this about his days as a dj
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i would stand on the stage of a record

i would stand on the stage of a record
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player with a thousand people in the

player with a thousand people in the
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room for four or five hours

room for four or five hours
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of the thousand people 700 were girls

of the thousand people 700 were girls
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if half of them can't stand you that

if half of them can't stand you that
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leaves 350 who can stand you

leaves 350 who can stand you
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if half of them are not too keen on you

if half of them are not too keen on you
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at all

at all
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then the other half is

then the other half is
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that's 125 people

that's 125 people
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if half of them actually don't fancy you

if half of them actually don't fancy you
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that leaves around 65 girls that might

that leaves around 65 girls that might
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want to go off with you

want to go off with you
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you don't have to be a brain surgeon to

you don't have to be a brain surgeon to
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work out that you're never going to be

work out that you're never going to be
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this story reveals a lot about how

this story reveals a lot about how
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savile viewed women

savile viewed women
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it was all a numbers game to him

it was all a numbers game to him
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women were his sex objects

women were his sex objects
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someone who knew savile during his

someone who knew savile during his
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manchester dj days

manchester dj days
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recalled how colleagues would joke that

recalled how colleagues would joke that
savile

savile

savile
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was either going to be a huge success

was either going to be a huge success
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or end up in prison for having sex with

or end up in prison for having sex with
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it was a sign of the times

it was a sign of the times
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people didn't think as they do now

people didn't think as they do now
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to report paedophilia as a crime

to report paedophilia as a crime
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don't forget as late as the 1970s

don't forget as late as the 1970s
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the government was giving hundreds of

the government was giving hundreds of
thousands

thousands

thousands
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in grants

in grants
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to an organization known as p

to an organization known as p
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i e

i e
pi

pi

pi
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in today's society it is unthinkable

in today's society it is unthinkable
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that such an organization

that such an organization
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could show a public face

could show a public face
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times were different back then

times were different back then
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is one of the reasons why victims

is one of the reasons why victims
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it's very likely that 400 of you will be

it's very likely that 400 of you will be
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injured in your cars tomorrow you'll be

injured in your cars tomorrow you'll be
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within six miles of home and doing less

within six miles of home and doing less
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than 30. and it's going to happen to a

than 30. and it's going to happen to a
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lot of you ladies you'll be shopping

lot of you ladies you'll be shopping
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collecting the kids going to the laundry

collecting the kids going to the laundry
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for some of you the face you start out

for some of you the face you start out
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with in the morning

with in the morning
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won't be the same face you end up with

won't be the same face you end up with
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by the evening

by the evening
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why let it happen come click it's so

why let it happen come click it's so
simple

simple

simple
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hold the car door

hold the car door
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click the seat belt even if you are just

click the seat belt even if you are just
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going around the corner click click

going around the corner click click
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every trip

every trip
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further evidence that mentalities were

further evidence that mentalities were
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different back then

different back then
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is the fact that a woman came forward in

is the fact that a woman came forward in
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2012 to reveal she had been raped by

2012 to reveal she had been raped by
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savile age 16 in a london hotel in 1964.

savile age 16 in a london hotel in 1964.
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she had been a virgin at the time

she had been a virgin at the time
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finding out she was pregnant and

finding out she was pregnant and
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confronted by her parents

confronted by her parents
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she disclosed who the father was

she disclosed who the father was
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the parents contacted savile who refused

the parents contacted savile who refused
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to admit responsibility

to admit responsibility
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the family arranged for their daughter

the family arranged for their daughter
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to have an illegal abortion

to have an illegal abortion
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savile was 38 years old when this

savile was 38 years old when this
happened

happened

happened
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neither the girl

neither the girl
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nor her parents thought it would have

nor her parents thought it would have
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been appropriate to have contacted the

been appropriate to have contacted the
police

[Music]

[Music]
dance<00:53:20.319> hall<00:53:20.640> goers<00:53:21.040> recall<00:53:21.680> savile

dance hall goers recall savile

dance hall goers recall savile
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disappearing with girls on many

disappearing with girls on many
occasions

occasions

occasions
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usually to his car either before he went

usually to his car either before he went
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on stage or after

on stage or after
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he'd return 20 minutes to an hour later

he'd return 20 minutes to an hour later
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other witnesses recall groups of girls

other witnesses recall groups of girls
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going to his flat day and night

going to his flat day and night
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savile clearly didn't want relationships

savile clearly didn't want relationships
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with teenagers he could control and

with teenagers he could control and
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manipulate and then move on

manipulate and then move on
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after he had had his way

after he had had his way
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it was all about the sex

it was all about the sex
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nothing more

nothing more
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anthony claire who interviewed savile

anthony claire who interviewed savile
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for his radio 4 series

for his radio 4 series
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in the psychiatrist's chair

in the psychiatrist's chair
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recall some of the disturbing things

recall some of the disturbing things
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savile said

savile said
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savile showed many of the traits of

savile showed many of the traits of
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being a psychopath

being a psychopath
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robert herr's checklist

robert herr's checklist
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devised to identify psychopaths

devised to identify psychopaths
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includes several traits we can associate

includes several traits we can associate
with

with

with
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savile slippery charm

savile slippery charm
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a mask to conceal true self

a mask to conceal true self
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low cunning

low cunning
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and willingness to manipulate

and willingness to manipulate
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absence of normal human emotions

absence of normal human emotions
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lack of empathy

lack of empathy
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sexual promiscuity

sexual promiscuity
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inability to admit mistakes

inability to admit mistakes
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fear of commitment

fear of commitment
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do you think to have that many victims

do you think to have that many victims
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like savile then to be a large-scale

like savile then to be a large-scale
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psychopath like that

psychopath like that
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to have no feelings towards his victims

to have no feelings towards his victims
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have you looked at his life history to

have you looked at his life history to
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see if there's any you know nature

see if there's any you know nature
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versus nurture i saw when he was a kid

versus nurture i saw when he was a kid
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something he banged his head and he was

something he banged his head and he was
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he couldn't close his eyes he was like a

he couldn't close his eyes he was like a
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little baby and his eyes were open for

little baby and his eyes were open for
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like six months and they thought he was

like six months and they thought he was
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gonna die right um the the thing where

gonna die right um the the thing where
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he's his dad died from from cancer

he's his dad died from from cancer
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have you seen any factors in his life no

have you seen any factors in his life no
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i mean i think he had a very weird life

i mean i think he had a very weird life
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i mean his mother was a dominance in his

i mean his mother was a dominance in his
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like latter part of his life and even

like latter part of his life and even
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when she died he still kept his cupboard

when she died he still kept his cupboard
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in the bedroom full of her clothes

in the bedroom full of her clothes
i

i

i
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i think that that we never we will never

i think that that we never we will never
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know what was going on in that

know what was going on in that
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relationship with his mum

relationship with his mum
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but i think it would be fair to say and

but i think it would be fair to say and
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and people will draw their own

and people will draw their own
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conclusion that it was unhealthy

conclusion that it was unhealthy
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at best uh

at best uh
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but it was really really wrong so but i

but it was really really wrong so but i
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don't know what else of course took

don't know what else of course took
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place in his relationship he's saying

place in his relationship he's saying
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there was a possibility of incest i i

there was a possibility of incest i i
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leave that to people to make their own

leave that to people to make their own
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determination there was no evidence we

determination there was no evidence we
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never had any evidence that told us that

never had any evidence that told us that
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but i think his relationship with his

but i think his relationship with his
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mother was a was incredibly unhealthy

mother was a was incredibly unhealthy
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for a grown man of his age

for a grown man of his age
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i mean he never cooked he never had any

i mean he never cooked he never had any
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utensils in his house or anything like

utensils in his house or anything like
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that he didn't have any food anything

that he didn't have any food anything
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he's he

he's he
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he's scrounged off everyone all the time

he's scrounged off everyone all the time
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you know go to a local cafe and they'd

you know go to a local cafe and they'd
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pay they'd give him food he never used

pay they'd give him food he never used
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to pay for anything i mean he didn't own

to pay for anything i mean he didn't own
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any of his rolls royces and things like

any of his rolls royces and things like
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that or his cars i mean he never i think

that or his cars i mean he never i think
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he finished two marathons all the other

he finished two marathons all the other
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marathons he got in the car and he got

marathons he got in the car and he got
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driven to the end i mean man's just

driven to the end i mean man's just
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complete liar i mean he'd say he charged

complete liar i mean he'd say he charged
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three thousand pounds to turn up at fate

three thousand pounds to turn up at fate
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he'd turn out for ten minutes and then

he'd turn out for ten minutes and then
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disappear i con a total and utter con

disappear i con a total and utter con
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working as a dj in the 1960s savile

working as a dj in the 1960s savile
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often socialized with the police

often socialized with the police
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until the day he died

until the day he died
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he maintained close relationships with

he maintained close relationships with
several<00:56:54.319> officers

several officers

several officers
in<00:56:55.920> the<00:56:56.079> early<00:56:56.400> days

in the early days

in the early days
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did he shured the girls around

did he shured the girls around
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were the police reluctant to pursue any

were the police reluctant to pursue any
allegations<00:57:04.720> against<00:57:05.119> savile

allegations against savile

allegations against savile
for<00:57:06.640> fear<00:57:07.040> of<00:57:07.200> being<00:57:07.520> brought<00:57:07.920> into<00:57:08.319> a

for fear of being brought into a

for fear of being brought into a
prosecution

prosecution

prosecution
we

we

we
will<00:57:11.359> never<00:57:11.680> know

will never know

will never know
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what we do know is that savile was a

what we do know is that savile was a
master<00:57:16.319> manipulator

master manipulator

master manipulator
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i imagine he would have delighted in

i imagine he would have delighted in
corrupting<00:57:21.200> and<00:57:21.440> blackmailing

corrupting and blackmailing

corrupting and blackmailing
individual<00:57:23.599> police<00:57:24.000> officers

individual police officers

individual police officers
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how is it possible that west yorkshire

how is it possible that west yorkshire
police

police

police
who<00:57:30.000> governed<00:57:31.040> savile's<00:57:31.599> hometown

who governed savile's hometown

who governed savile's hometown
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didn't have a single shred of evidence

didn't have a single shred of evidence
against<00:57:36.400> him

against him

against him
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by law they should have filed any

by law they should have filed any
allegations<00:57:41.040> made<00:57:41.359> against<00:57:41.680> savile<00:57:42.480> anywhere

allegations made against savile anywhere

allegations made against savile anywhere
in<00:57:43.119> the<00:57:43.200> country

in the country

in the country
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the law requires that regional forces

the law requires that regional forces
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pass that information on to the local

pass that information on to the local
jurisdiction

jurisdiction

jurisdiction
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after he was exposed and various

after he was exposed and various
inquiries<00:57:55.599> conducted

inquiries conducted

inquiries conducted
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the authorities learned that on five

the authorities learned that on five
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separate occasions serious allegations

separate occasions serious allegations
had<00:58:03.440> been<00:58:03.680> made

had been made

had been made
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in different jurisdictions

in different jurisdictions
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they should have been passed on to west

they should have been passed on to west
yorkshire<00:58:10.000> police

surrey police told one inquiry they had

surrey police told one inquiry they had
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passed on allegations

passed on allegations
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given to them as recently as 2008

given to them as recently as 2008
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in their own special inquiry west

in their own special inquiry west
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yorkshire police of course

yorkshire police of course
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denied receiving any such reports

denied receiving any such reports
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if you allow the police to investigate

if you allow the police to investigate
themselves

themselves

themselves
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what do you expect

what do you expect
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this morning i woke up

this morning i woke up
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let me think yeah i was on my own and

let me think yeah i was on my own and
that<00:58:43.920> is

that is

that is
tremendous

tremendous

tremendous
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how often do you wake up in the morning

how often do you wake up in the morning
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and have to check to see whether there

and have to check to see whether there
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is somebody on the other side

is somebody on the other side
well

well

well
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not very often because

not very often because
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because what happens i'm a pushover and

because what happens i'm a pushover and
if

if

if
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if somebody comes and knocks on the door

if somebody comes and knocks on the door
and<00:59:01.359> says

and says

and says
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i've lost my keys to go in i'll say step

i've lost my keys to go in i'll say step
this<00:59:04.559> way

this way

this way
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and say i thought you'd say that

and say i thought you'd say that
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it's not my fault okay i'm single fella

it's not my fault okay i'm single fella
there's<00:59:11.680> nothing<00:59:11.920> wrong<00:59:12.079> with<00:59:12.160> it<00:59:12.319> you

there's nothing wrong with it you

there's nothing wrong with it you
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haven't broken any laws have you none

haven't broken any laws have you none
whatsoever

whatsoever

whatsoever
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one of the reports west yorkshire police

one of the reports west yorkshire police
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should have had in their possession

should have had in their possession
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was a report by the met police that

was a report by the met police that
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savile was a regular visitor to a south

savile was a regular visitor to a south
london<00:59:25.200> brothel

london brothel

london brothel
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the police records from 1964 show that

the police records from 1964 show that
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three men were charged with living off

three men were charged with living off
immoral<00:59:31.520> earnings

immoral earnings

immoral earnings
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what's notable is that absconders from

what's notable is that absconders from
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duncroft approved school used to stay in

duncroft approved school used to stay in
that<00:59:39.839> house

that house

that house
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intelligence that could have been of

intelligence that could have been of
huge

huge

huge
importance

importance

importance
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decades later during the sorry police

decades later during the sorry police
investigation<00:59:49.040> in<00:59:49.200> 2008

investigation in 2008

investigation in 2008
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had this information been seen by sorry

had this information been seen by sorry
police<00:59:53.839> in<00:59:54.000> 2008

police in 2008

police in 2008
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surely it would have raised suspicions

surely it would have raised suspicions
further

further

further
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maybe they would have detected a pattern

maybe they would have detected a pattern
of<01:00:02.319> behavior

savile was clearly protected by his

savile was clearly protected by his
celebrity<01:00:08.960> status

celebrity status

celebrity status
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he must have felt untouchable

he must have felt untouchable
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as the years went by

as the years went by
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the longer he went undetected

the longer he went undetected
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he surely grew in confidence

he surely grew in confidence
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and was prepared to offend again and

and was prepared to offend again and
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luckily for savile he managed to dodge a

luckily for savile he managed to dodge a
huge<01:00:33.040> bullet<01:00:33.680> in<01:00:33.760> the<01:00:33.920> 1960s

huge bullet in the 1960s

huge bullet in the 1960s
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media sources claimed there was a

media sources claimed there was a
newspaper<01:00:37.920> investigation

newspaper investigation

newspaper investigation
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into his private life

into his private life
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and specifically into his preference for

and specifically into his preference for
underage<01:00:44.319> girls

underage girls

underage girls
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they had names and plenty of evidence

they had names and plenty of evidence
unfortunately<01:00:50.960> for<01:00:51.119> hundreds<01:00:51.599> of<01:00:51.680> future

unfortunately for hundreds of future

unfortunately for hundreds of future
victims

victims

victims
the<01:00:53.680> very<01:00:54.000> same<01:00:54.319> newspaper<01:00:54.880> decided<01:00:55.280> to<01:00:55.359> hire

the very same newspaper decided to hire

the very same newspaper decided to hire
savile<01:00:56.240> as<01:00:56.480> a<01:00:56.559> columnist

savile as a columnist

savile as a columnist
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and the investigation was killed

and the investigation was killed
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the editor wanted to appeal to younger

the editor wanted to appeal to younger
readers

readers

readers
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had this not been the case several may

had this not been the case several may
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well i went to stage school

well i went to stage school
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and i'd been there since i was five

and i'd been there since i was five
years<01:01:28.079> of<01:01:28.240> age

years of age

years of age
so

so

so
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during that time

during that time
i<01:01:31.839> did<01:01:32.319> films

i did films

i did films
adverts

adverts

adverts
modelling

modelling

modelling
television

television

television
a<01:01:38.400> place

a place

a place
shows

over the years

over the years
and<01:01:44.240> then

and then

and then
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i danced at school

i danced at school
i<01:01:47.839> acted<01:01:48.319> at<01:01:48.480> school

i acted at school

i acted at school
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we had limited education in the daytime

we had limited education in the daytime
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and we went out for auditions

and we went out for auditions
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to get parts in films

to get parts in films
or<01:01:59.760> adverts

or adverts

or adverts
or<01:02:01.200> modelling

or modelling

or modelling
and

and

and
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many times when i was out other stage

many times when i was out other stage
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schools would be there as well other

schools would be there as well other
children

children

children
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really the same mold so if the they were

really the same mold so if the they were
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looking for a blonde with blue eyes

looking for a blonde with blue eyes
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there would be lots of blondes with blue

there would be lots of blondes with blue
eyes

eyes

eyes
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um and then eventually when i was

um and then eventually when i was
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14 15

14 15
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i used to go

i used to go
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almost every week to top of the pops

almost every week to top of the pops
um<01:02:28.799> to<01:02:28.960> dance<01:02:29.440> there

um to dance there

um to dance there
claire<01:02:31.359> i<01:02:31.520> first<01:02:31.920> met<01:02:32.240> when<01:02:32.799> i<01:02:32.880> was<01:02:33.119> on<01:02:33.839> an

claire i first met when i was on an

claire i first met when i was on an
audition

audition

audition
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um for an advert along with many other

um for an advert along with many other
children

children

children
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i can't remember if i got it or if

i can't remember if i got it or if
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claire got it or who got it

claire got it or who got it
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too many years have passed for me to

too many years have passed for me to
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remember that very first audition

remember that very first audition
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and then i subsequently saw her

and then i subsequently saw her
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a few times

a few times
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again at auditions

again at auditions
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and then we both got

and then we both got
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this audition and we did

this audition and we did
knitting<01:03:02.160> patterns

knitting patterns

knitting patterns
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and on the day of the

and on the day of the
photographic<01:03:06.720> session

photographic session

photographic session
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we were working together and spent the

we were working together and spent the
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day together and became friendly and

day together and became friendly and
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after that when i used to see her on

after that when i used to see her on
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auditions we'd always

auditions we'd always
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uh chin wag with each other

uh chin wag with each other
and

and

and
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we liked each other and so we weren't

we liked each other and so we weren't
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rivals we didn't feel we were rivals i

rivals we didn't feel we were rivals i
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was hoping if i didn't get it then

was hoping if i didn't get it then
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claire wood you know

claire wood you know
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um and then eventually i met her at top

um and then eventually i met her at top
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of the pops

of the pops
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she was a good dancer

she was a good dancer
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um and she was very beautiful

um and she was very beautiful
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that's one of the

that's one of the
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things that stood out about claire's

things that stood out about claire's
very<01:03:42.640> pretty<01:03:43.039> girl

very pretty girl

very pretty girl
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and she was funny

and she was funny
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she also had quite a serious side

she also had quite a serious side
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she kept the diary

she kept the diary
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and she wrote down any of her

and she wrote down any of her
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experiences even at auditions i would

experiences even at auditions i would
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often see her writing

often see her writing
um

um

um
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i don't know what she put always in the

i don't know what she put always in the
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diary but i figured it was what was

diary but i figured it was what was
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happening to her at that given time

happening to her at that given time
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but she was fun to be with

but she was fun to be with
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yeah nice a nice girl

yeah nice a nice girl
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if we'd lived nero we would have most

if we'd lived nero we would have most
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probably been even closer friends

probably been even closer friends
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um she told me she'd been adopted

um she told me she'd been adopted
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and that she did have

and that she did have
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another name

another name
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um so

um so
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those are little things that one shares

those are little things that one shares
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it was um

it was um
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big in its stage of the pops which it

big in its stage of the pops which it
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was for another 15 years after

was for another 15 years after
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we went there

we went there
um

um

um
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as for

as for
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thinking it was a show to make us famous

thinking it was a show to make us famous
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no i i never went there on that

no i i never went there on that
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i went there most probably in my mind

i went there most probably in my mind
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to be a dancer

to be a dancer
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and also it's like being in a

and also it's like being in a
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discotheque really when you're only 15.

discotheque really when you're only 15.
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um you know you're not allowed into

um you know you're not allowed into
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discotheques so it's really almost the

discotheques so it's really almost the
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next best thing you know

next best thing you know
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but it wasn't there because there was

but it wasn't there because there was
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famous people there because throughout

famous people there because throughout
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my time as a young actress i'd met many

my time as a young actress i'd met many
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famous people so i was not

famous people so i was not
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in awe of them and i don't think claire

in awe of them and i don't think claire
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would have been either

would have been either
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in fact most probably lots of my friends

in fact most probably lots of my friends
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who came with me to top of the pops

who came with me to top of the pops
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it was just some social fun

it was just some social fun
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after school

after school
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we just had to give our names and you

we just had to give our names and you
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got taken through to the top of the pops

got taken through to the top of the pops
area

area

area
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um obviously we're not going to dance in

um obviously we're not going to dance in
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our school uniform so we were allocated

our school uniform so we were allocated
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an area

an area
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to change

to change
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some youngsters and certainly

some youngsters and certainly
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older people would arrive already

older people would arrive already
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in their

in their
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day evening wear dance thing but us as

day evening wear dance thing but us as
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children we arrived in

children we arrived in
uniform

uniform

uniform
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and so we changed into

and so we changed into
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hot pants or mini skirts or mini dresses

hot pants or mini skirts or mini dresses
high<01:06:11.520> heels

high heels

high heels
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uh some makeup on

uh some makeup on
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and because we were

and because we were
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in a way

in a way
professional

professional

professional
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dancers we were often put in the front

dancers we were often put in the front
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near the djs or where the groups would

near the djs or where the groups would
be

be

be
singing

singing

singing
so

so

so
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there was a lot of older people there as

there was a lot of older people there as
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well as in 17 18 19 20

well as in 17 18 19 20
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dancing but

dancing but
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we were sort of

we were sort of
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young school kids of 14 15

young school kids of 14 15
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and maybe 16 i'd have

and maybe 16 i'd have
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we were always made to feel quite

we were always made to feel quite
special

special

special
some

some

some
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girls were

girls were
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invited back to dressing rooms

invited back to dressing rooms
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i only went there once to a dressing

i only went there once to a dressing
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room and i can't remember which dj's

room and i can't remember which dj's
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dressing room it was but there was a few

dressing room it was but there was a few
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people in the gesture room at the time

people in the gesture room at the time
drinking

drinking

drinking
slightly

slightly

slightly
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what i might consider inappropriate

what i might consider inappropriate
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behavior with

behavior with
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with girls

with girls
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i only had someone try it on with me

i only had someone try it on with me
once

once

once
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and i sort of smacked their

and i sort of smacked their
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their left hand down and

their left hand down and
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i made excuses to go to the toilet and

i made excuses to go to the toilet and
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that was the only time i ever went into

that was the only time i ever went into
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a top of the pops dressing room

a top of the pops dressing room
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i knew that

i knew that
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what might be happening in there isn't

what might be happening in there isn't
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what i wanted to happen to me

what i wanted to happen to me
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after the toddler pops uh we were

after the toddler pops uh we were
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invited to

invited to
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go up to the bar and again

go up to the bar and again
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names would be left

names would be left
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as you approach the bar so

as you approach the bar so
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um you could go into the bbc bar where

um you could go into the bbc bar where
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there would be lots of executives

there would be lots of executives
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there would be

there would be
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actors from other

actors from other
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uh shows that have been

uh shows that have been
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going on or being filmed at top of the

going on or being filmed at top of the
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pops um on at the bbc

pops um on at the bbc
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and um

and um
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you know we would be bought drinks

you know we would be bought drinks
usually

usually

usually
champagne

champagne

champagne
and

and

and
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i would only ever have a couple of

i would only ever have a couple of
glasses<01:08:18.000> because

glasses because

glasses because
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i still had to travel home that evening

i still had to travel home that evening
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and i certainly wouldn't want my mother

and i certainly wouldn't want my mother
to

to

to
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see me drunk so a couple of glasses

see me drunk so a couple of glasses
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there was there was one girl in

there was there was one girl in
particulars

particulars

particulars
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who was 16

who was 16
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and she

and she
was<01:08:35.359> promised

was promised

was promised
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some shows and on the frankie howard

some shows and on the frankie howard
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show actually at the time and she um she

show actually at the time and she um she
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often went to the dressing room so what

often went to the dressing room so what
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she was propositioned

she was propositioned
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it may well have been to make her famous

it may well have been to make her famous
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and she was in the frankie

and she was in the frankie
um

frankie howard show for

frankie howard show for
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a long time one of his

a long time one of his
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com comedy sketches she was often

com comedy sketches she was often
in<01:09:04.159> that

in that

in that
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myself know

myself know
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saw him quite a few times sometimes

saw him quite a few times sometimes
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him and another dj would host top the

him and another dj would host top the
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pops it wasn't always just a singular dj

pops it wasn't always just a singular dj
um

um

um
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he was quite a touchy man

he was quite a touchy man
um

um

um
[Music]

[Music]

[Music]
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and he was certainly pick

and he was certainly pick
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who he might want to be near him

who he might want to be near him
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he would certainly say you know

he would certainly say you know
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i'll have that girl come over here and

i'll have that girl come over here and
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dance near him and things like that so

dance near him and things like that so
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he always looked a bit weird because of

he always looked a bit weird because of
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his color of his hair at times he had

his color of his hair at times he had
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half black and half white hair

half black and half white hair
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he dressed in tracksuit bottoms

he dressed in tracksuit bottoms
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bit of a weirdo but you know he was he

bit of a weirdo but you know he was he
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was very famous and he was a

was very famous and he was a
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a charity fundraiser so he had um you

a charity fundraiser so he had um you
know

know

know
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everyone knew him and he was most

everyone knew him and he was most
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probably the most famous of the djs that

probably the most famous of the djs that
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i had an opinion that he was the dirty

i had an opinion that he was the dirty
old<01:10:07.520> man

old man

old man
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just by the touching he tended to do

just by the touching he tended to do
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around the

around the
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groups that were near him

groups that were near him
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he wasn't an ideal man to stand next to

he wasn't an ideal man to stand next to
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let's put it that way he was touchy

let's put it that way he was touchy
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touchy and as i say the

touchy and as i say the
um

um

um
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the way that he was in his dressing room

the way that he was in his dressing room
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with others that was sort of common

with others that was sort of common
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knowledge that he would be

knowledge that he would be
kissing

kissing

kissing
touching

touching

touching
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love biting one girl in particular she

love biting one girl in particular she
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often would show with love bites around

often would show with love bites around
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her neck and breast area

her neck and breast area
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um so he was a bit of a dirty old man i

um so he was a bit of a dirty old man i
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mean i never could really understand why

mean i never could really understand why
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any of the young girls whether it be 15

any of the young girls whether it be 15
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16 or 17

16 or 17
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would like jimmy sapple to put his hands

would like jimmy sapple to put his hands
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or mouth over you anyway i can't imagine

or mouth over you anyway i can't imagine
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anything worse really

anything worse really
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he would actually

he would actually
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ask the floor managers

ask the floor managers
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and they would come on the stage and

and they would come on the stage and
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whisper in girls ears to go back

whisper in girls ears to go back
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to a dressing room and that could have

to a dressing room and that could have
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been not only jimmy sandville that would

been not only jimmy sandville that would
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have been other djs as well at the time

have been other djs as well at the time
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well claire was approached by a floor

well claire was approached by a floor
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manager one evening in fact she was

manager one evening in fact she was
taken

taken

taken
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off stage

off stage
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and disappeared even before top of the

and disappeared even before top of the
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pops was filmed

pops was filmed
and

and

and
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when she came back for the filming of

when she came back for the filming of
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top of the pops

top of the pops
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she told me that she was going for a

she told me that she was going for a
drink

drink

drink
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with one of the artists who was

with one of the artists who was
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appearing on top of the pups that

appearing on top of the pups that
evening

evening

evening
and

and

and
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because her mother obviously would not

because her mother obviously would not
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be very happy that she was

be very happy that she was
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15 years of age and

15 years of age and
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leaving top of the pops instead of going

leaving top of the pops instead of going
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home she was going for a drink with a

home she was going for a drink with a
famous<01:12:05.440> singer

famous singer

famous singer
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um and i said to her yeah you of course

um and i said to her yeah you of course
you<01:12:10.880> can<01:12:11.040> stay

you can stay

you can stay
and

and

and
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after top of the pops

after top of the pops
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she phoned her mum and i spoke to mrs

she phoned her mum and i spoke to mrs
mcalpine<01:12:20.880> just<01:12:21.199> to<01:12:21.360> confirm<01:12:22.080> that<01:12:22.719> claire

mcalpine just to confirm that claire

mcalpine just to confirm that claire
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would come back to my place

would come back to my place
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and then she'll go on to school

and then she'll go on to school
because<01:12:27.520> she<01:12:27.679> had<01:12:27.840> a<01:12:27.920> school<01:12:28.159> uniform<01:12:28.640> with

because she had a school uniform with

because she had a school uniform with
her<01:12:28.960> obviously

her obviously

her obviously
and

and

and
that's<01:12:31.600> what<01:12:31.760> i<01:12:31.840> was<01:12:32.080> expecting

that's what i was expecting

that's what i was expecting
that<01:12:33.679> claire<01:12:34.000> would<01:12:34.159> do<01:12:34.320> that<01:12:34.840> night<01:12:36.320> and<01:12:36.480> then

that claire would do that night and then

that claire would do that night and then
following<01:12:37.600> that

following that

following that
show

show

show
i<01:12:39.679> saw<01:12:40.320> claire

i saw claire

i saw claire
go<01:12:42.000> off<01:12:42.320> there's<01:12:43.120> a<01:12:43.280> tunnel<01:12:43.760> near<01:12:44.320> the<01:12:44.560> top<01:12:44.719> of

go off there's a tunnel near the top of

go off there's a tunnel near the top of
the<01:12:44.960> pops<01:12:45.520> that<01:12:45.679> the<01:12:45.840> artist<01:12:46.400> used<01:12:46.960> to<01:12:47.600> go<01:12:47.840> out

the pops that the artist used to go out

the pops that the artist used to go out
the<01:12:48.159> back<01:12:48.480> way

the back way

the back way
and<01:12:49.760> she<01:12:49.920> was<01:12:50.159> with<01:12:50.400> this<01:12:51.040> famous<01:12:51.520> singer

and she was with this famous singer

and she was with this famous singer
and<01:12:52.880> she<01:12:53.280> disappeared<01:12:53.920> down<01:12:54.400> the<01:12:54.640> tunnel<01:12:55.040> with

and she disappeared down the tunnel with

and she disappeared down the tunnel with
him

him

him
and<01:12:56.880> i

and i

and i
was<01:12:58.080> waiting<01:12:58.560> for<01:12:58.880> her<01:12:59.520> to<01:13:00.000> come<01:13:00.239> back<01:13:00.400> to<01:13:00.560> my

was waiting for her to come back to my

was waiting for her to come back to my
place<01:13:01.199> by<01:13:01.600> 10<01:13:01.840> or<01:13:02.000> 11<01:13:02.320> o'clock<01:13:02.960> and<01:13:03.120> she<01:13:03.280> never

place by 10 or 11 o'clock and she never

place by 10 or 11 o'clock and she never
turned<01:13:04.000> up

turned up

turned up
and<01:13:05.920> by<01:13:06.159> the<01:13:06.320> next<01:13:06.640> morning<01:13:07.120> she<01:13:07.360> wasn't<01:13:07.760> there

and by the next morning she wasn't there

and by the next morning she wasn't there
i<01:13:08.159> just<01:13:08.400> assumed<01:13:08.719> she<01:13:08.880> must<01:13:09.120> have<01:13:09.199> gone<01:13:09.520> home

i just assumed she must have gone home

i just assumed she must have gone home
it<01:13:11.280> wasn't<01:13:11.760> for<01:13:11.920> another<01:13:12.239> couple<01:13:12.480> of<01:13:12.560> weeks

it wasn't for another couple of weeks

it wasn't for another couple of weeks
before<01:13:14.000> i<01:13:14.159> saw<01:13:14.400> her<01:13:14.560> again<01:13:14.880> that<01:13:15.040> i<01:13:15.199> found<01:13:15.520> out

before i saw her again that i found out

before i saw her again that i found out
what<01:13:16.400> had<01:13:16.560> happened<01:13:17.040> to<01:13:17.280> her<01:13:17.440> that<01:13:17.760> evening

so i gave her that alibi not knowing i

so i gave her that alibi not knowing i
was<01:13:23.760> actually<01:13:24.000> giving<01:13:24.320> her<01:13:24.480> an<01:13:24.640> alibi

was actually giving her an alibi

was actually giving her an alibi
because<01:13:25.840> i<01:13:25.920> did<01:13:26.159> think<01:13:26.400> she'd<01:13:26.560> come<01:13:26.800> to<01:13:26.960> my

because i did think she'd come to my

because i did think she'd come to my
place

place

place
and<01:13:28.800> it's<01:13:28.960> only<01:13:29.120> when<01:13:29.360> she<01:13:29.520> wasn't<01:13:29.920> there

and it's only when she wasn't there

and it's only when she wasn't there
during<01:13:30.400> the<01:13:30.560> night<01:13:30.960> i<01:13:31.120> just<01:13:31.360> thought<01:13:32.000> i<01:13:32.159> wonder

during the night i just thought i wonder

during the night i just thought i wonder
if<01:13:32.480> she's<01:13:32.719> gone<01:13:32.960> home

if she's gone home

if she's gone home
when<01:13:34.960> i<01:13:35.120> saw<01:13:35.440> her

when i saw her

when i saw her
she

she

she
was<01:13:39.120> very

was very

was very
keen<01:13:40.960> to<01:13:41.120> tell<01:13:41.440> me<01:13:41.679> what<01:13:41.920> had<01:13:42.080> happened<01:13:42.960> she

keen to tell me what had happened she

keen to tell me what had happened she
had<01:13:43.520> been<01:13:43.760> taken<01:13:44.320> to

had been taken to

had been taken to
south<01:13:45.679> kensington

south kensington

south kensington
to

to

to
a<01:13:48.000> hotel<01:13:48.480> in<01:13:48.640> south<01:13:48.960> kensington

a hotel in south kensington

a hotel in south kensington
and<01:13:51.040> had<01:13:51.280> gone<01:13:51.600> into<01:13:51.920> the<01:13:52.000> bar<01:13:52.320> with<01:13:52.560> this

and had gone into the bar with this

and had gone into the bar with this
singer

singer

singer
and<01:13:55.120> they'd<01:13:55.360> had<01:13:55.600> a<01:13:55.679> drink

and they'd had a drink

and they'd had a drink
he<01:13:57.360> then<01:13:57.760> said<01:13:58.480> he<01:13:58.800> wanted<01:13:59.120> to<01:13:59.360> change<01:13:59.760> out<01:14:00.080> of

he then said he wanted to change out of

he then said he wanted to change out of
his

his

his
outfit<01:14:01.679> that<01:14:01.920> he<01:14:02.080> had<01:14:02.239> worn<01:14:02.560> at<01:14:02.719> top<01:14:02.960> of<01:14:02.960> the

outfit that he had worn at top of the

outfit that he had worn at top of the
pops<01:14:03.920> and<01:14:04.080> for<01:14:04.320> her<01:14:04.640> to<01:14:05.280> come<01:14:05.520> up<01:14:05.600> to<01:14:05.840> his<01:14:06.000> suite

pops and for her to come up to his suite

pops and for her to come up to his suite
which<01:14:07.440> she<01:14:07.600> did

which she did

which she did
and<01:14:09.679> from<01:14:10.000> there

and from there

and from there
she

she

she
was<01:14:11.920> given<01:14:12.239> more<01:14:12.560> alcohol

was given more alcohol

was given more alcohol
dinner

dinner

dinner
and

and

and
she<01:14:18.080> ended<01:14:18.400> up<01:14:18.560> staying<01:14:18.880> the<01:14:18.960> night<01:14:19.199> with<01:14:19.360> this

she ended up staying the night with this

she ended up staying the night with this
famous<01:14:20.000> singer

famous singer

famous singer
and

and

and
from<01:14:23.280> what<01:14:23.520> she<01:14:23.760> told<01:14:24.080> me<01:14:24.640> she<01:14:24.880> had<01:14:25.120> sex<01:14:25.520> with

from what she told me she had sex with

from what she told me she had sex with
him

him

him
now<01:14:27.040> i<01:14:27.199> don't<01:14:27.440> know<01:14:27.679> if<01:14:27.840> claire<01:14:28.080> had<01:14:28.320> ever<01:14:28.560> had

now i don't know if claire had ever had

now i don't know if claire had ever had
sex<01:14:29.360> before

sex before

sex before
i<01:14:30.560> don't<01:14:30.800> know<01:14:30.960> if<01:14:31.120> she

i don't know if she

i don't know if she
was<01:14:32.560> a<01:14:32.719> virgin

was a virgin

was a virgin
um

um

um
but<01:14:35.520> she<01:14:35.840> had<01:14:36.320> spent<01:14:36.640> the<01:14:36.719> night<01:14:36.960> with<01:14:37.199> him<01:14:37.840> and

but she had spent the night with him and

but she had spent the night with him and
he<01:14:38.159> sent<01:14:38.400> her<01:14:38.640> home<01:14:39.040> in<01:14:39.120> a<01:14:39.280> taxi

he sent her home in a taxi

he sent her home in a taxi
um

um

um
or<01:14:43.520> or<01:14:43.760> to<01:14:44.000> school<01:14:44.320> i'm<01:14:44.480> not<01:14:44.640> sure<01:14:45.040> the<01:14:45.199> next

or or to school i'm not sure the next

or or to school i'm not sure the next
morning<01:14:46.159> she<01:14:46.320> put<01:14:46.560> a<01:14:46.640> uniform<01:14:47.199> on<01:14:47.360> and<01:14:47.600> i<01:14:47.679> think

morning she put a uniform on and i think

morning she put a uniform on and i think
went<01:14:48.080> to<01:14:48.239> school

well i think she had found

well i think she had found
when<01:14:54.000> she<01:14:54.159> was<01:14:54.400> turning

when she was turning

when she was turning
up<01:14:55.679> at<01:14:55.920> some<01:14:56.159> dj's<01:14:56.880> places

up at some dj's places

up at some dj's places
that<01:14:58.640> she<01:14:58.880> had<01:14:59.040> got<01:14:59.280> herself<01:14:59.840> in<01:15:00.000> a<01:15:00.080> bit<01:15:00.320> deep

and didn't really know how to get

and didn't really know how to get
how<01:15:06.480> how<01:15:06.640> to<01:15:06.800> get<01:15:07.040> out<01:15:07.280> of<01:15:07.440> it

how how to get out of it

how how to get out of it
and<01:15:09.520> i<01:15:09.679> told<01:15:10.080> her<01:15:10.560> then

and i told her then

and i told her then
you<01:15:11.679> know<01:15:12.000> just<01:15:12.239> don't<01:15:12.480> go<01:15:12.800> there

you know just don't go there

you know just don't go there
um<01:15:14.239> but<01:15:14.640> i<01:15:14.719> think<01:15:14.960> she's<01:15:15.280> found<01:15:15.520> that<01:15:15.760> she<01:15:15.920> was

um but i think she's found that she was

um but i think she's found that she was
already

already

already
on<01:15:17.760> a<01:15:17.840> spiral

on a spiral

on a spiral
of<01:15:19.360> being<01:15:19.600> obliged<01:15:20.320> to

of being obliged to

of being obliged to
meet<01:15:21.920> these

meet these

meet these
people<01:15:23.920> and<01:15:24.000> then<01:15:24.239> a<01:15:24.320> few<01:15:24.480> weeks<01:15:24.800> on<01:15:24.960> she<01:15:25.120> was

people and then a few weeks on she was

people and then a few weeks on she was
very<01:15:25.520> worried

very worried

very worried
that<01:15:26.800> i<01:15:26.960> know<01:15:27.120> she<01:15:27.360> had<01:15:27.520> missed<01:15:27.760> her<01:15:27.920> period

that i know she had missed her period

that i know she had missed her period
and<01:15:30.000> she<01:15:30.159> was<01:15:30.320> very<01:15:30.560> worried<01:15:30.880> that<01:15:31.040> she<01:15:31.199> might

and she was very worried that she might

and she was very worried that she might
be<01:15:31.520> pregnant

be pregnant

be pregnant
meanwhile<01:15:34.320> her<01:15:34.560> mum<01:15:34.880> had<01:15:35.120> found<01:15:35.520> her<01:15:35.760> diary

meanwhile her mum had found her diary

meanwhile her mum had found her diary
um<01:15:38.320> when<01:15:38.480> i<01:15:38.640> spoke<01:15:38.880> to<01:15:38.960> her<01:15:39.040> on<01:15:39.199> the<01:15:39.280> phone<01:15:39.520> not

um when i spoke to her on the phone not

um when i spoke to her on the phone not
i<01:15:39.840> didn't<01:15:40.080> see<01:15:40.239> her<01:15:40.480> face<01:15:40.719> to<01:15:40.880> face<01:15:41.120> but<01:15:41.280> i

i didn't see her face to face but i

i didn't see her face to face but i
spoke<01:15:41.600> to<01:15:41.679> her<01:15:41.760> on<01:15:41.920> the<01:15:42.000> phone

spoke to her on the phone

spoke to her on the phone
and

and

and
she

she

she
was<01:15:45.199> really<01:15:45.520> upset<01:15:45.920> that<01:15:46.080> her<01:15:46.320> mum<01:15:46.560> now<01:15:46.880> was

was really upset that her mum now was

was really upset that her mum now was
taking<01:15:48.159> matters<01:15:48.640> further

taking matters further

taking matters further
that<01:15:50.239> they<01:15:50.560> were<01:15:50.800> going<01:15:51.040> to<01:15:51.360> she<01:15:51.520> was<01:15:51.679> going<01:15:51.920> to

that they were going to she was going to

that they were going to she was going to
go<01:15:52.239> to<01:15:52.400> the

go to the

go to the
bbc

bbc

bbc
and<01:15:54.960> subsequently<01:15:55.760> she<01:15:55.920> went<01:15:56.159> to<01:15:56.239> the<01:15:56.400> police

and subsequently she went to the police

and subsequently she went to the police
and<01:15:57.840> i<01:15:58.000> think<01:15:58.400> claire

was embarrassed

was embarrassed
that

that

that
things<01:16:04.640> were<01:16:04.880> coming<01:16:05.280> out<01:16:05.679> with<01:16:05.920> what<01:16:06.719> she'd

things were coming out with what she'd

things were coming out with what she'd
been

been

been
doing

doing

doing
i<01:16:09.199> do<01:16:09.440> think<01:16:09.679> she<01:16:09.840> had<01:16:10.080> a<01:16:10.159> pregnancy<01:16:10.880> fear<01:16:11.520> at

i do think she had a pregnancy fear at

i do think she had a pregnancy fear at
that<01:16:11.920> time

that time

that time
and

and

and
the<01:16:14.400> next<01:16:14.640> thing<01:16:14.880> i<01:16:15.040> knew<01:16:15.280> she<01:16:15.440> had<01:16:15.600> committed

the next thing i knew she had committed

the next thing i knew she had committed
suicide

suicide

suicide
and<01:16:18.480> then

and then

and then
it<01:16:19.679> was<01:16:19.840> in<01:16:20.000> the<01:16:20.159> news<01:16:20.400> of<01:16:20.480> the<01:16:20.560> world

it was in the news of the world

it was in the news of the world
the<01:16:21.920> following<01:16:22.400> week

the following week

the following week
with<01:16:23.760> the<01:16:24.320> exploits

with the exploits

with the exploits
of<01:16:26.000> this<01:16:26.320> girl<01:16:26.640> and<01:16:26.719> her<01:16:26.960> diary

of this girl and her diary

of this girl and her diary
very<01:16:29.440> sad

claire mcalpine's body was discovered by

claire mcalpine's body was discovered by
her<01:16:38.320> mother

her mother

her mother
lying<01:16:40.000> on<01:16:40.159> the<01:16:40.320> floor<01:16:40.800> besides<01:16:41.280> an<01:16:41.440> empty

lying on the floor besides an empty

lying on the floor besides an empty
bottle<01:16:42.159> of<01:16:42.320> sleeping<01:16:42.880> pills

bottle of sleeping pills

bottle of sleeping pills
and<01:16:44.239> a<01:16:44.320> red<01:16:44.640> diary

and a red diary

and a red diary
she<01:16:46.320> was<01:16:46.480> only<01:16:46.880> 15<01:16:47.360> years<01:16:47.679> old

she was only 15 years old

she was only 15 years old
the<01:16:49.600> diary<01:16:50.000> revealed<01:16:50.480> how<01:16:50.719> she<01:16:50.880> had<01:16:50.960> been

the diary revealed how she had been

the diary revealed how she had been
sleeping<01:16:51.600> with<01:16:51.760> djs<01:16:52.400> she<01:16:52.560> had<01:16:52.719> met

sleeping with djs she had met

sleeping with djs she had met
at<01:16:53.760> top<01:16:54.000> of<01:16:54.080> the<01:16:54.239> pops

at top of the pops

at top of the pops
one<01:16:56.719> had<01:16:56.960> given<01:16:57.280> her<01:16:57.520> drugs

one had given her drugs

one had given her drugs
after

after

after
the<01:17:01.520> incident<01:17:02.080> with<01:17:02.320> the<01:17:02.880> pop<01:17:03.199> star<01:17:04.000> i<01:17:04.239> only

the incident with the pop star i only

the incident with the pop star i only
saw<01:17:04.880> her<01:17:05.360> for<01:17:05.840> only<01:17:06.320> to<01:17:06.480> look<01:17:06.719> at<01:17:07.120> one<01:17:07.280> more

saw her for only to look at one more

saw her for only to look at one more
time

time

time
and<01:17:08.560> then

and then

and then
a<01:17:09.440> couple<01:17:09.760> of<01:17:09.840> phone<01:17:10.080> calls

a couple of phone calls

a couple of phone calls
of<01:17:12.320> chatting

of chatting

of chatting
but<01:17:14.239> she<01:17:14.400> was<01:17:14.560> worried<01:17:15.040> she<01:17:15.199> was<01:17:15.360> i<01:17:15.440> think<01:17:15.679> she

but she was worried she was i think she

but she was worried she was i think she
was

was

was
worried<01:17:17.360> that<01:17:17.760> it<01:17:18.000> would<01:17:18.400> all<01:17:18.640> come<01:17:18.960> out

worried that it would all come out

worried that it would all come out
what<01:17:20.800> was<01:17:20.960> in<01:17:21.120> her<01:17:21.360> diary<01:17:22.159> but<01:17:22.320> i<01:17:22.480> also<01:17:22.880> think

what was in her diary but i also think

what was in her diary but i also think
she<01:17:23.360> was<01:17:23.600> quite<01:17:23.840> worried<01:17:24.159> that<01:17:24.320> she<01:17:24.480> might<01:17:24.719> be

she was quite worried that she might be

she was quite worried that she might be
pregnant<01:17:25.440> so<01:17:25.600> that

pregnant so that

pregnant so that
was<01:17:26.719> maybe<01:17:27.040> even<01:17:27.360> more<01:17:27.760> on<01:17:27.920> her<01:17:28.159> mind<01:17:28.960> if<01:17:29.120> that

was maybe even more on her mind if that

was maybe even more on her mind if that
had<01:17:29.520> happened

had happened

had happened
she<01:17:32.000> never<01:17:32.320> had

she never had

she never had
gone<01:17:33.440> for<01:17:33.600> the<01:17:33.760> test<01:17:34.320> but

gone for the test but

gone for the test but
she<01:17:35.760> died

she died

she died
during<01:17:37.440> that

during that

during that
that<01:17:38.880> time<01:17:39.120> that<01:17:39.280> she<01:17:39.440> was<01:17:39.679> feeling<01:17:40.239> very

that time that she was feeling very

that time that she was feeling very
vulnerable

vulnerable

vulnerable
and<01:17:42.320> also

and also

and also
what<01:17:43.760> her<01:17:43.920> mother<01:17:44.320> was<01:17:44.480> going<01:17:44.800> to

what her mother was going to

what her mother was going to
do

do

do
you<01:17:47.600> know<01:17:47.920> her<01:17:48.080> mum<01:17:48.480> had<01:17:48.800> already<01:17:49.679> gone<01:17:49.920> to<01:17:50.080> the

you know her mum had already gone to the

you know her mum had already gone to the
bbc<01:17:51.120> i<01:17:51.440> remember<01:17:51.920> that<01:17:52.640> i<01:17:52.800> don't<01:17:52.960> know<01:17:53.199> if<01:17:53.360> at

bbc i remember that i don't know if at

bbc i remember that i don't know if at
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the time her mum went to the police at

the time her mum went to the police at
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the same time or if that was after her

the same time or if that was after her
death<01:17:58.000> i'm<01:17:58.159> not<01:17:58.400> sure

death i'm not sure

death i'm not sure
the<01:17:59.600> diary's<01:18:00.159> contents

the diary's contents

the diary's contents
had<01:18:02.480> shocked<01:18:02.960> claire's<01:18:03.360> mother<01:18:03.760> vera

had shocked claire's mother vera

had shocked claire's mother vera
who<01:18:05.440> had<01:18:05.600> discovered<01:18:06.000> it<01:18:06.080> a<01:18:06.159> month<01:18:06.400> before

who had discovered it a month before

who had discovered it a month before
claire<01:18:07.679> had<01:18:07.840> taken<01:18:08.239> her<01:18:08.480> own<01:18:08.640> life

the news of the world reported on the

the news of the world reported on the
story

story

story
quoting<01:18:14.719> vera<01:18:15.120> as<01:18:15.360> saying

quoting vera as saying

quoting vera as saying
some<01:18:17.840> of<01:18:17.920> the<01:18:18.080> passages<01:18:18.640> were<01:18:18.800> so<01:18:19.040> shocking

some of the passages were so shocking

some of the passages were so shocking
but<01:18:20.719> i<01:18:20.800> would<01:18:21.040> rather<01:18:21.360> not<01:18:21.520> repeat<01:18:21.920> them

but i would rather not repeat them

but i would rather not repeat them
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but the police know what they said

but the police know what they said
vera<01:18:28.159> contacted<01:18:28.719> both<01:18:29.040> the<01:18:29.199> bbc<01:18:29.920> and<01:18:30.000> the

vera contacted both the bbc and the

vera contacted both the bbc and the
police

police

police
when<01:18:32.400> she<01:18:32.560> contacted<01:18:33.120> the<01:18:33.199> bbc<01:18:34.159> she<01:18:34.320> demanded

when she contacted the bbc she demanded

when she contacted the bbc she demanded
to<01:18:34.960> speak<01:18:35.199> to<01:18:35.360> someone<01:18:35.760> in<01:18:35.920> a<01:18:36.000> senior<01:18:36.480> position

to speak to someone in a senior position

to speak to someone in a senior position
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only to be told that would be impossible

only to be told that would be impossible
the<01:18:43.199> bbc<01:18:44.159> shrugged<01:18:44.719> off<01:18:44.960> the<01:18:45.120> whole<01:18:45.440> matter

the bbc shrugged off the whole matter

the bbc shrugged off the whole matter
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despite the fact that claire had been a

despite the fact that claire had been a
regular<01:18:49.600> participant<01:18:50.400> on<01:18:50.480> the<01:18:50.719> show

regular participant on the show

regular participant on the show
they<01:18:53.280> claimed<01:18:53.679> to<01:18:53.840> have<01:18:54.000> spoken<01:18:54.400> to<01:18:54.560> the<01:18:54.719> dj<01:18:55.120> in

they claimed to have spoken to the dj in

they claimed to have spoken to the dj in
question

question

question
who<01:18:56.560> had<01:18:56.640> denied<01:18:57.040> the<01:18:57.120> allegations

who had denied the allegations

who had denied the allegations
case<01:18:59.440> closed

case closed

case closed
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neither cler nor vera were contacted for

neither cler nor vera were contacted for
their<01:19:04.640> side<01:19:04.880> of<01:19:04.960> the<01:19:05.120> story

their side of the story

their side of the story
she<01:19:06.800> felt<01:19:07.120> embarrassed<01:19:07.920> that<01:19:08.480> she<01:19:08.719> had

she felt embarrassed that she had

she felt embarrassed that she had
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been to people's homes and had been to

been to people's homes and had been to
this<01:19:12.640> hotel

this hotel

this hotel
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i think it was more out of embarrassment

i think it was more out of embarrassment
that

that

that
her<01:19:17.760> school<01:19:18.239> her<01:19:18.480> friends<01:19:19.120> would<01:19:19.360> all

her school her friends would all

her school her friends would all
be<01:19:20.239> aware<01:19:20.640> that

be aware that

be aware that
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she was doing a little bit more than

she was doing a little bit more than
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just going and dancing on top of the

just going and dancing on top of the
pops

it was my mother that saw me

it was my mother that saw me
next<01:19:34.800> to<01:19:35.040> claire<01:19:35.440> or<01:19:35.679> just

next to claire or just

next to claire or just
um

um

um
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on on the paper on the news of the world

on on the paper on the news of the world
and<01:19:40.239> my<01:19:40.400> mother<01:19:40.800> marched<01:19:41.199> up<01:19:41.360> to<01:19:41.600> my<01:19:41.920> bedroom

and my mother marched up to my bedroom

and my mother marched up to my bedroom
and<01:19:42.640> demanded

and demanded

and demanded
what<01:19:44.320> had<01:19:44.640> i<01:19:44.800> been<01:19:45.040> doing<01:19:45.360> at<01:19:45.520> top<01:19:45.760> of<01:19:45.840> the<01:19:45.920> pops

what had i been doing at top of the pops

what had i been doing at top of the pops
um<01:19:47.520> so<01:19:47.760> i<01:19:47.920> got<01:19:48.159> into<01:19:48.480> a<01:19:48.840> big<01:19:50.159> squabble<01:19:50.640> with<01:19:50.880> my

um so i got into a big squabble with my

um so i got into a big squabble with my
mother<01:19:51.520> that<01:19:51.920> and<01:19:52.080> i<01:19:52.239> was<01:19:52.480> banned<01:19:52.880> then<01:19:53.280> from

mother that and i was banned then from

mother that and i was banned then from
going<01:19:53.760> to<01:19:53.920> top<01:19:54.239> of<01:19:54.400> pops

going to top of pops

going to top of pops
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so<01:19:57.040> i<01:19:57.440> didn't<01:19:57.840> see<01:19:58.080> claire<01:19:58.400> but<01:19:58.960> we<01:19:59.199> spoke<01:19:59.840> and

so i didn't see claire but we spoke and

so i didn't see claire but we spoke and
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then i say when it all came out about

then i say when it all came out about
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her death and what subsequently had been

her death and what subsequently had been
happening<01:20:07.440> at<01:20:07.679> top<01:20:07.840> of<01:20:07.920> the<01:20:08.080> pops<01:20:08.480> that

happening at top of the pops that

happening at top of the pops that
you<01:20:09.600> know<01:20:09.760> eventually<01:20:10.400> was

you know eventually was

you know eventually was
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told that it was all fantasy in her mind

told that it was all fantasy in her mind
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that this book this diary that she wrote

that this book this diary that she wrote
this

this

this
these<01:20:17.679> things<01:20:18.080> in<01:20:18.400> was<01:20:18.639> all<01:20:18.880> made<01:20:19.199> up

these things in was all made up

these things in was all made up
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i don't believe they were made up

i don't believe they were made up
um

and and

and and
it's<01:20:26.239> a<01:20:26.400> shame<01:20:26.719> some<01:20:27.280> other<01:20:27.520> people

it's a shame some other people

it's a shame some other people
didn't<01:20:28.800> believe<01:20:29.120> her<01:20:29.520> i<01:20:29.600> think<01:20:29.760> her<01:20:29.920> mother

didn't believe her i think her mother

didn't believe her i think her mother
believed<01:20:30.639> her<01:20:31.120> what<01:20:31.280> was<01:20:31.520> in<01:20:31.600> the<01:20:31.760> diary

believed her what was in the diary

believed her what was in the diary
hence<01:20:33.360> why<01:20:33.600> she<01:20:33.760> wanted<01:20:34.239> to

hence why she wanted to

hence why she wanted to
you<01:20:35.679> know

you know

you know
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take the bbc say why are why is it this

take the bbc say why are why is it this
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happening to 14 15 year old girls why

happening to 14 15 year old girls why
are<01:20:42.639> they<01:20:42.800> going

are they going

are they going
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back to dj's houses while they're going

back to dj's houses while they're going
to<01:20:46.239> dj's

to dj's

to dj's
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dressing rooms and why are they going to

dressing rooms and why are they going to
the<01:20:50.880> bbc<01:20:51.679> bar

the bbc bar

the bbc bar
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at the inquest into claire's death

at the inquest into claire's death
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officials had branded her as a fantasist

officials had branded her as a fantasist
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her diary ended up at scotland yard

her diary ended up at scotland yard
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we will never be able to check its

we will never be able to check its
contents<01:21:06.159> as<01:21:06.320> conveniently

contents as conveniently

contents as conveniently
it<01:21:08.080> went<01:21:08.400> missing

it went missing

it went missing
claire's<01:21:10.719> half<01:21:11.120> brother<01:21:11.520> mark<01:21:12.080> claims<01:21:12.560> that

claire's half brother mark claims that

claire's half brother mark claims that
savile<01:21:13.840> was<01:21:14.000> one<01:21:14.159> of<01:21:14.239> the<01:21:14.400> djs<01:21:15.440> named<01:21:15.840> in<01:21:15.920> the

savile was one of the djs named in the

savile was one of the djs named in the
diary

diary

diary
former<01:21:17.600> bbc<01:21:18.400> dj<01:21:18.960> tony<01:21:19.360> blackburn<01:21:20.320> denies<01:21:21.040> ever

former bbc dj tony blackburn denies ever

former bbc dj tony blackburn denies ever
meeting<01:21:21.840> claire

well it was with the tony

well it was with the tony
blackburn<01:21:29.760> sacking

blackburn sacking

blackburn sacking
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of him um saying that he had never met

of him um saying that he had never met
claire<01:21:35.840> or<01:21:36.000> didn't<01:21:36.320> know<01:21:36.560> of<01:21:36.719> her

claire or didn't know of her

claire or didn't know of her
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when i'm aware he certainly did meet her

when i'm aware he certainly did meet her
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so he was sacked from the bbc

so he was sacked from the bbc
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and i just put a comment online

and i just put a comment online
regarding

regarding

regarding
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and then some journalists found that

and then some journalists found that
comment<01:21:58.239> and<01:21:58.400> followed<01:21:58.880> it<01:21:59.199> up

comment and followed it up

comment and followed it up
and<01:22:00.239> then

and then

and then
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the next thing i was approached with was

the next thing i was approached with was
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the original paper the news cutting that

the original paper the news cutting that
i<01:22:06.639> and<01:22:06.800> claire<01:22:07.120> were<01:22:07.360> in

i and claire were in

i and claire were in
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showing us with jimmy savile on stage

showing us with jimmy savile on stage
at<01:22:12.719> top<01:22:12.880> of<01:22:12.960> the<01:22:13.120> pops

at top of the pops

at top of the pops
and

and

and
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this was in the news the world obviously

this was in the news the world obviously
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um so i just made a sort of sarki

um so i just made a sort of sarki
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comment it's about sort of time they

comment it's about sort of time they
took

took

took
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him out of the bbc

him out of the bbc
um

um

um
which

which

which
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within a year he was back

within a year he was back
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doing a saturday show and

doing a saturday show and
so

so

so
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they don't let them go that far if

they don't let them go that far if
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you're in with the bbc i think you've

you're in with the bbc i think you've
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got a job there for life by the looks of

got a job there for life by the looks of
it

well it's 50 years ago

well it's 50 years ago
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and it will always be

and it will always be
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a sad feeling to know that girl never

a sad feeling to know that girl never
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went on to a great life not whether she

went on to a great life not whether she
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would have been a dancer or an actress

would have been a dancer or an actress
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but lost all the things that i gained as

but lost all the things that i gained as
in<01:23:02.239> marriage<01:23:02.880> family<01:23:03.520> grandchildren

in marriage family grandchildren

in marriage family grandchildren
and<01:23:05.840> also<01:23:06.320> that<01:23:06.800> really

and also that really

and also that really
she<01:23:08.080> was

she was

she was
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deemed a liar a fantasist

deemed a liar a fantasist
and

and

and
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the perpetrators of not only claire have

the perpetrators of not only claire have
gone<01:23:17.040> on

gone on

gone on
to<01:23:18.080> continue

to continue

to continue
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as in jimmy savile's case

as in jimmy savile's case
for<01:23:22.320> many<01:23:22.560> years

for many years

for many years
maybe<01:23:23.840> if<01:23:24.000> they'd<01:23:24.320> just

maybe if they'd just

maybe if they'd just
listened<01:23:26.239> to<01:23:26.480> what<01:23:26.880> she<01:23:27.120> had<01:23:27.440> said<01:23:28.000> or

listened to what she had said or

listened to what she had said or
believed<01:23:28.719> her<01:23:29.199> given<01:23:29.600> her<01:23:29.760> the<01:23:30.000> chance

believed her given her the chance

believed her given her the chance
one

one

one
obviously<01:23:32.480> when

obviously when

obviously when
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her back was against the wall no one was

her back was against the wall no one was
believing<01:23:35.840> her

believing her

believing her
you<01:23:36.880> know<01:23:37.520> she<01:23:37.679> committed<01:23:38.159> suicide<01:23:38.800> and

you know she committed suicide and

you know she committed suicide and
obviously<01:23:39.360> with<01:23:39.520> her<01:23:39.679> mother<01:23:40.080> on<01:23:40.239> her<01:23:40.480> case

obviously with her mother on her case

obviously with her mother on her case
and<01:23:41.440> as<01:23:41.600> i<01:23:41.679> say<01:23:42.000> rightly<01:23:42.480> so

and as i say rightly so

and as i say rightly so
um

um

um
it's<01:23:44.719> a<01:23:44.880> shame<01:23:45.360> so

it's a shame so

it's a shame so
angry<01:23:47.120> angry<01:23:47.679> that<01:23:48.159> she<01:23:48.400> was<01:23:48.719> overlooked

angry angry that she was overlooked

angry angry that she was overlooked
swept<01:23:50.239> aside<01:23:51.120> yes

swept aside yes

swept aside yes
or<01:23:52.239> more<01:23:52.560> sad

or more sad

or more sad
but<01:23:54.320> um<01:23:54.880> she<01:23:55.040> couldn't<01:23:55.440> have<01:23:56.159> become<01:23:56.880> the

but um she couldn't have become the

but um she couldn't have become the
woman

woman

woman
she<01:23:58.080> could<01:23:58.320> have<01:23:58.400> been

in may 2010 it was brought to the

in may 2010 it was brought to the
attention<01:24:08.719> of<01:24:09.120> senior<01:24:09.600> bbc<01:24:10.320> executives

attention of senior bbc executives

attention of senior bbc executives
that<01:24:12.480> savile<01:24:12.800> was<01:24:13.040> gravely<01:24:13.520> sick

that savile was gravely sick

that savile was gravely sick
nick<01:24:15.760> von<01:24:16.159> barrett<01:24:16.880> emailed<01:24:17.760> george<01:24:18.320> antwell

nick von barrett emailed george antwell

nick von barrett emailed george antwell
to<01:24:19.920> reveal<01:24:20.480> that<01:24:20.639> the<01:24:20.800> bbc<01:24:21.280> did<01:24:21.440> not<01:24:21.679> have<01:24:21.840> a

to reveal that the bbc did not have a

to reveal that the bbc did not have a
ready-made<01:24:22.800> obituary

ready-made obituary

ready-made obituary
the<01:24:24.480> end<01:24:24.639> of<01:24:24.719> the<01:24:24.880> email<01:24:25.440> said

the end of the email said

the end of the email said
i'm<01:24:26.880> not<01:24:27.120> sure<01:24:27.440> we<01:24:27.679> would<01:24:27.920> want<01:24:28.239> one

i'm not sure we would want one

i'm not sure we would want one
i<01:24:29.760> have<01:24:29.920> a<01:24:30.080> personal<01:24:30.639> interest<01:24:31.120> here

i have a personal interest here

i have a personal interest here
my<01:24:32.639> first<01:24:32.960> job<01:24:33.280> in<01:24:33.520> tv<01:24:34.000> was<01:24:34.320> on

my first job in tv was on

my first job in tv was on
a<01:24:35.280> jimmy<01:24:35.760> savile<01:24:36.239> show

a jimmy savile show

a jimmy savile show
i<01:24:37.520> know<01:24:37.760> him<01:24:37.920> well

i know him well

i know him well
and<01:24:39.120> saw<01:24:39.440> the<01:24:39.600> complex<01:24:40.320> and<01:24:40.480> sometimes

and saw the complex and sometimes

and saw the complex and sometimes
conflicting<01:24:41.760> nature<01:24:42.159> of<01:24:42.239> the<01:24:42.400> man<01:24:43.040> at<01:24:43.199> first

conflicting nature of the man at first

conflicting nature of the man at first
hand

hand

hand
i'd<01:24:45.840> feel<01:24:46.239> very<01:24:46.639> queasy

i'd feel very queasy

i'd feel very queasy
about<01:24:48.880> an<01:24:49.040> obituary

about an obituary

about an obituary
i<01:24:51.120> saw<01:24:51.600> the<01:24:51.840> real<01:24:52.239> truth

so what was the real truth

so what was the real truth
why<01:24:57.120> didn't<01:24:57.440> nick<01:24:57.840> speak<01:24:58.239> up

why didn't nick speak up

why didn't nick speak up
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this is a typical example of someone in

this is a typical example of someone in
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an institution who may have seen

an institution who may have seen
savile's<01:25:04.239> crimes<01:25:04.639> first<01:25:05.040> hand

savile's crimes first hand

savile's crimes first hand
and<01:25:06.880> simply<01:25:07.280> turned<01:25:07.600> a<01:25:07.679> blind<01:25:08.159> eye

and simply turned a blind eye

and simply turned a blind eye
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how many other people saw jimmy savile

how many other people saw jimmy savile
offend<01:25:12.960> and<01:25:13.280> chose<01:25:13.600> to<01:25:13.760> do<01:25:13.920> nothing

offend and chose to do nothing

offend and chose to do nothing
he<01:25:16.480> sexually<01:25:17.040> abused<01:25:17.600> people<01:25:17.920> for<01:25:18.239> five

he sexually abused people for five

he sexually abused people for five
decades

decades

decades
primarily<01:25:21.679> in<01:25:21.840> institutions

primarily in institutions

primarily in institutions
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when he abused at hospitals it was

when he abused at hospitals it was
usually<01:25:26.320> in<01:25:26.400> public<01:25:26.880> spaces

usually in public spaces

usually in public spaces
how<01:25:29.520> many<01:25:29.760> witnessed<01:25:30.320> the<01:25:30.480> abuse

how many witnessed the abuse

how many witnessed the abuse
how<01:25:32.320> many<01:25:32.560> fundraisers<01:25:33.199> at<01:25:33.360> charity<01:25:33.760> events

how many fundraisers at charity events

how many fundraisers at charity events
our<01:25:34.159> production<01:25:34.719> staff<01:25:34.960> on<01:25:35.120> tv<01:25:35.520> shows<01:25:35.840> saw

our production staff on tv shows saw

our production staff on tv shows saw
crimes<01:25:36.560> take<01:25:36.880> place

crimes take place

crimes take place
that<01:25:38.639> they<01:25:38.960> just<01:25:39.280> kept<01:25:39.600> quiet<01:25:40.080> about

senior bbc executives were well aware of

senior bbc executives were well aware of
the<01:25:46.239> dark<01:25:46.560> side<01:25:46.960> of<01:25:47.120> savile

the dark side of savile

the dark side of savile
while<01:25:48.960> he<01:25:49.120> was<01:25:49.360> still<01:25:49.600> alive

i was going to interpol in around 2011

i was going to interpol in around 2011
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probably to do a piece for bbc news

probably to do a piece for bbc news
night<01:26:02.320> on<01:26:02.639> the

night on the

night on the
um

um

um
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images of child abuse images well of

images of child abuse images well of
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what interpol were doing to try and

what interpol were doing to try and
identify<01:26:09.199> offenders<01:26:10.239> and<01:26:10.480> it<01:26:10.560> was<01:26:10.719> on<01:26:10.880> the<01:26:11.040> way

identify offenders and it was on the way

identify offenders and it was on the way
either<01:26:11.920> back<01:26:12.320> or<01:26:12.480> there<01:26:12.800> where<01:26:13.040> my<01:26:13.199> producer

either back or there where my producer

either back or there where my producer
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said to me have you ever heard anything

said to me have you ever heard anything
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about savile being a pedophile and i

about savile being a pedophile and i
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went no as he's a weirdo i said i

went no as he's a weirdo i said i
wouldn't<01:26:20.560> want<01:26:20.800> any<01:26:21.280> wouldn't<01:26:21.520> want<01:26:21.760> to<01:26:21.920> spend

wouldn't want any wouldn't want to spend

wouldn't want any wouldn't want to spend
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any time with the black but now i've

any time with the black but now i've
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never heard that he said well that's

never heard that he said well that's
really<01:26:25.120> interesting<01:26:25.440> because

really interesting because

really interesting because
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a police force either surreal sussex did

a police force either surreal sussex did
investigate<01:26:30.159> him<01:26:30.560> for<01:26:31.199> uh<01:26:31.440> child<01:26:31.679> abuse

investigate him for uh child abuse

investigate him for uh child abuse
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and we're unsure what happened with that

and we're unsure what happened with that
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or where it went and i said that's

or where it went and i said that's
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really strange i said i've not heard

really strange i said i've not heard
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that i said it can't have happened

that i said it can't have happened
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whilst i was in the force because i

whilst i was in the force because i
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would have known about it i said so it

would have known about it i said so it
must<01:26:42.320> have<01:26:42.400> happened<01:26:42.880> after<01:26:43.199> i<01:26:43.360> left

must have happened after i left

must have happened after i left
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and i'm surprised if it happened in

and i'm surprised if it happened in
surrey<01:26:46.800> because<01:26:47.040> i<01:26:47.120> haven't<01:26:47.360> heard<01:26:47.600> about<01:26:47.920> it

surrey because i haven't heard about it

surrey because i haven't heard about it
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i said but i'll make some inquiries and

i said but i'll make some inquiries and
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and see what i can find out what did you

and see what i can find out what did you
find<01:26:52.800> out

find out

find out
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well so i then made some inquiries and

well so i then made some inquiries and
established<01:26:56.159> that<01:26:56.320> actually<01:26:56.639> sorry<01:26:56.880> police

established that actually sorry police

established that actually sorry police
had<01:26:57.840> investigated<01:26:58.639> him

had investigated him

had investigated him
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i obviously have got some very good

i obviously have got some very good
contacts<01:27:01.360> in<01:27:01.440> police<01:27:01.679> forces<01:27:02.159> and<01:27:02.639> especially

contacts in police forces and especially

contacts in police forces and especially
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within surrey because i was an ex-sorry

within surrey because i was an ex-sorry
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officer and they told me yeah we did

officer and they told me yeah we did
investigate<01:27:07.120> him<01:27:07.520> uh<01:27:07.840> the<01:27:08.000> officer<01:27:08.320> that<01:27:08.480> told

investigate him uh the officer that told

investigate him uh the officer that told
me

me

me
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was a very senior officer and he said i

was a very senior officer and he said i
can't<01:27:11.520> remember<01:27:11.840> what<01:27:11.920> the<01:27:12.000> outcome<01:27:12.320> it<01:27:12.560> was

can't remember what the outcome it was

can't remember what the outcome it was
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but suffice to say that we did

but suffice to say that we did
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investigate him and the matter didn't go

investigate him and the matter didn't go
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any further forward i then went back and

any further forward i then went back and
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told the producer this and this is where

told the producer this and this is where
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it all then snowballs because he then

it all then snowballs because he then
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talks to his editor and his editor

talks to his editor and his editor
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basically said to him well that doesn't

basically said to him well that doesn't
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look to me like it's a story so the

look to me like it's a story so the
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story they were after was

story they were after was
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incompetence by police failed to do an

incompetence by police failed to do an
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investigation or failed to follow it up

investigation or failed to follow it up
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and he came back and said well the the

and he came back and said well the the
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editor is not really that interested in

editor is not really that interested in
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it it's not a story in terms of i said i

it it's not a story in terms of i said i
think<01:27:43.920> you're<01:27:44.080> missing<01:27:44.400> the<01:27:44.560> point<01:27:44.960> the<01:27:45.120> story

think you're missing the point the story

think you're missing the point the story
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is surely that he's been interviewed in

is surely that he's been interviewed in
relation<01:27:48.159> to<01:27:48.239> child<01:27:48.480> abuse<01:27:48.800> and<01:27:48.960> that

relation to child abuse and that

relation to child abuse and that
therefore<01:27:49.440> there's<01:27:49.600> an<01:27:49.760> allegation<01:27:50.239> in

therefore there's an allegation in

therefore there's an allegation in
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relation to child sexual offenses

relation to child sexual offenses
against

against

against
such<01:27:53.760> a<01:27:53.920> status<01:27:54.400> of<01:27:54.560> an<01:27:54.719> individual

such a status of an individual

such a status of an individual
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but they didn't run with it and then i

but they didn't run with it and then i
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remember talking to him and said to him

remember talking to him and said to him
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he said to me look it's dead we can't do

he said to me look it's dead we can't do
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anything with it and i said well if

anything with it and i said well if
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you're happy

you're happy
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let me run with it i said you know i'm

let me run with it i said you know i'm
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on a different network you're on bbc my

on a different network you're on bbc my
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relationship is with itv let me run with

relationship is with itv let me run with
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it and see what i do it still needed a

it and see what i do it still needed a
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lot of work so those people out there

lot of work so those people out there
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said you know i literally followed on

said you know i literally followed on
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with what the bbc had that's absolutely

with what the bbc had that's absolutely
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not the case what we had to do after

not the case what we had to do after
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that was really build the story there

that was really build the story there
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were some elements in place but probably

were some elements in place but probably
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nothing more than 10

nothing more than 10
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in place we then had to build everything

in place we then had to build everything
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else up and crucially and it was really

else up and crucially and it was really
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important is that the allegations that

important is that the allegations that
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the bbc were looking at related to at

the bbc were looking at related to at
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duncroft which was a children's home

duncroft which was a children's home
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in surrey earlier than that in the

in surrey earlier than that in the
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metropolitan police area and we

metropolitan police area and we
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i was very clear that i said you know we

i was very clear that i said you know we
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need to find victims away from duncroft

need to find victims away from duncroft
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and quite simply it was is that it's

and quite simply it was is that it's
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very easy for the public to be critical

very easy for the public to be critical
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of people who are in approved homes who

of people who are in approved homes who
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are in social services care what we

are in social services care what we
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needed to do is get people away from

needed to do is get people away from
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that environment where who were much

that environment where who were much
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more likely wrongly but much more likely

more likely wrongly but much more likely
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to be believed in the first instance and

to be believed in the first instance and
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then we can build that up and bring in

then we can build that up and bring in
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the duncroft girls as well to show the

the duncroft girls as well to show the
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totality of what was taking place and it

totality of what was taking place and it
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was a it was a good year's work what

was a it was a good year's work what
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were the biggest hoops

were the biggest hoops
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just getting on air i mean it was just

just getting on air i mean it was just
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incredibly difficult getting people to

incredibly difficult getting people to
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to believe you getting people to

to believe you getting people to
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to take that i mean this what we were

to take that i mean this what we were
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kind of the biggest status person in

kind of the biggest status person in
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british television

british television
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that they'd been and and that was

that they'd been and and that was
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momentum so it was a huge thing for the

momentum so it was a huge thing for the
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bb for itv to do massive thing

bb for itv to do massive thing
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and there was a lot of public anger

and there was a lot of public anger
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towards it you know even in the days

towards it you know even in the days
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leading up to the program's broadcast i

leading up to the program's broadcast i
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remember we did a

remember we did a
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bbc leeds did a phone him

bbc leeds did a phone him
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and during that phone in they were

and during that phone in they were
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criticizing me basically saying this guy

criticizing me basically saying this guy
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mark william summers who the hell does

mark william summers who the hell does
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he think he is expose you know thinking

he think he is expose you know thinking
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that he can expose this guy he's done so

that he can expose this guy he's done so
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much for charity this guy is such a good

much for charity this guy is such a good
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he's not here to defend himself

he's not here to defend himself
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and uh i remember listening to her and i

and uh i remember listening to her and i
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listened to it because i wanted to hear

listened to it because i wanted to hear
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if there was any one that phoned up and

if there was any one that phoned up and
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said anything like he abused me and try

said anything like he abused me and try
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and get hold of them anyway nobody did i

and get hold of them anyway nobody did i
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got quite a lot of grief and i remember

got quite a lot of grief and i remember
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they were trying to phone me all morning

they were trying to phone me all morning
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we come on when they come home and i

we come on when they come home and i
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said to my agent i'm not going on at all

said to my agent i'm not going on at all
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i just why would i go on to to listen to

i just why would i go on to to listen to
that

that

that
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um and and then obviously the

um and and then obviously the
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the program goes out or so the news the

the program goes out or so the news the
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program goes out on the thursday but on

program goes out on the thursday but on
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the sunday the articles start and it was

the sunday the articles start and it was
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quite interesting how the media shifted

quite interesting how the media shifted
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so you could see from the sunday to the

so you could see from the sunday to the
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tuesday by tuesday the media were all on

tuesday by tuesday the media were all on
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my side they'd started to find victims

my side they'd started to find victims
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themselves they were believing the story

themselves they were believing the story
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and and it then became a very much uh

and and it then became a very much uh
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a momentum i mean the program went out

a momentum i mean the program went out
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and i

and i
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withdrew myself from the media for two

withdrew myself from the media for two
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weeks i i the reason i did that is

weeks i i the reason i did that is
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because i didn't want the story to be

because i didn't want the story to be
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about me it was never about me it was

about me it was never about me it was
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about the victims i was the vehicle for

about the victims i was the vehicle for
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the story i was the person that

the story i was the person that
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did the investigation and made it happen

did the investigation and made it happen
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but it wasn't me you know whenever

but it wasn't me you know whenever
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anybody is

anybody is
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prosecuted you know when um

prosecuted you know when um
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the west were caught you know it wasn't

the west were caught you know it wasn't
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about the senior investigating officer

about the senior investigating officer
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it was about

it was about
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the bbc had the chance to expose savile

the bbc had the chance to expose savile
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long before itv went ahead and did so

long before itv went ahead and did so
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with the exposure documentary

with the exposure documentary
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less than three weeks after savile died

less than three weeks after savile died
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a journalist from the bbc news night

a journalist from the bbc news night
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team began working on a script

team began working on a script
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it read

it read
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when jimmy savile died in october

when jimmy savile died in october
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prince charles led the tribute to a

prince charles led the tribute to a
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national treasure

national treasure
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but there was a darker side to the star

but there was a darker side to the star
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of jim i'll fix it

of jim i'll fix it
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news night has learned that he was

news night has learned that he was
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investigated by police for sexual

investigated by police for sexual
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assaults on minors

assaults on minors
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but the crown prosecution service

but the crown prosecution service
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decided that he was too old and infirmed

decided that he was too old and infirmed
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to face trial

to face trial
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now some of the girls

now some of the girls
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who say they were assaulted by him when

who say they were assaulted by him when
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they were 13 14 and 15

they were 13 14 and 15
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have talked to newsnight

have talked to newsnight
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they say savile was an evil man

they say savile was an evil man
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who should rot in hell

who should rot in hell
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and that his charity work gave him cover

and that his charity work gave him cover
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to get young girls

to get young girls
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they even claimed some of his abuse took

they even claimed some of his abuse took
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place after bbc recordings

place after bbc recordings
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and involved other celebrity pedophiles

and involved other celebrity pedophiles
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who appeared on several shows

who appeared on several shows
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such as gary glitter

such as gary glitter
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so the story between behind the making

so the story between behind the making
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of the program was that essentially we

of the program was that essentially we
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got to a position where the program is

got to a position where the program is
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ready to go and on the saturday

ready to go and on the saturday
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so on the friday we'd agreed a process

so on the friday we'd agreed a process
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in terms of giving some information to

in terms of giving some information to
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the newspapers

the newspapers
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so what the

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itv publicity desk said let's give it to

itv publicity desk said let's give it to
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the

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mail on sunday as an exclusive and then

mail on sunday as an exclusive and then
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we'll give the extra bits to some of the

we'll give the extra bits to some of the
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other newspapers and i have a very good

other newspapers and i have a very good
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relationship with the sunday mirror so i

relationship with the sunday mirror so i
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said well i'd like to give some to the

said well i'd like to give some to the
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sunday mirror because they're a very

sunday mirror because they're a very
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good paper and i know the editor very

good paper and i know the editor very
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well and they said okay well why don't

well and they said okay well why don't
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you do a personal interview for the mail

you do a personal interview for the mail
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on sunday and we'll give everything else

on sunday and we'll give everything else
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to the sunday mirror

to the sunday mirror
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and so i said okay it's fine i remember

and so i said okay it's fine i remember
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on saturday i got a phone call from i

on saturday i got a phone call from i
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was at my son's football match and i got

was at my son's football match and i got
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a phone call from the reporter from the

a phone call from the reporter from the
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mail on sunday and they said we're just

mail on sunday and they said we're just
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finalizing this report for tomorrow can

finalizing this report for tomorrow can
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you just tell me a little bit more so i

you just tell me a little bit more so i
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told them and they said well isn't there

told them and they said well isn't there
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any more and i went no there isn't

any more and i went no there isn't
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that's the story i said what you want

that's the story i said what you want
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more and it went well it's not really

more and it went well it's not really
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big enough and it's not this and i went

big enough and it's not this and i went
right

right

right
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so i thought okay and so sunday comes

so i thought okay and so sunday comes
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and the sunday mirror and the sunday

and the sunday mirror and the sunday
sunday<01:36:17.520> people

sunday people

sunday people
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run the savile story on the front page

run the savile story on the front page
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the mail on sunday runs it on page five

the mail on sunday runs it on page five
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or something like that

or something like that
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and and i'll never forget that because i

and and i'll never forget that because i
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think that's a really significant moment

think that's a really significant moment
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in terms of of not understanding that

in terms of of not understanding that
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the gravity of the story that story then

the gravity of the story that story then
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ran on the front pages for a consecutive

ran on the front pages for a consecutive
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41 days

41 days
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the jimmy savile story so that tells you

the jimmy savile story so that tells you
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how massive this was not just in terms

how massive this was not just in terms
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of of the uk but internationally and

of of the uk but internationally and
worldwide

worldwide

worldwide
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and the the aspects in terms of of the

and the the aspects in terms of of the
bbc

bbc

bbc
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then became a big story because of

then became a big story because of
course

course

course
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when we were making the program we wrote

when we were making the program we wrote
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as we would do to a right to reply we

as we would do to a right to reply we
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wrote to the director general

wrote to the director general
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at the time and said can we have an

at the time and said can we have an
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interview in relation to the allegations

interview in relation to the allegations
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we've got and the information we've got

we've got and the information we've got
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and the doctor general refused to give

and the doctor general refused to give
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us an interview and said no so and

us an interview and said no so and
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actually furthermore went on and said

actually furthermore went on and said
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we basically we don't know anything

we basically we don't know anything
about<01:37:14.480> this<01:37:14.960> and

about this and

about this and
just

just

just
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dismissed it out of hand

dismissed it out of hand
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now that was their first massive failing

now that was their first massive failing
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because what they should have done and

because what they should have done and
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this is a massive learn for any

this is a massive learn for any
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organization that's facing these

organization that's facing these
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problems is they should have said listen

problems is they should have said listen
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you know this is not on my watch it's

you know this is not on my watch it's
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happened a long time ago we take these

happened a long time ago we take these
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allegations really seriously we will now

allegations really seriously we will now
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launch an investigation to find out

launch an investigation to find out
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what's going on that's what they should

what's going on that's what they should
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have said but they didn't they buried

have said but they didn't they buried
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their head they came up with a very

their head they came up with a very
arrogant<01:37:40.239> attitude

arrogant attitude

arrogant attitude
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and actually then that manifests itself

and actually then that manifests itself
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and just became worse because what you

and just became worse because what you
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ended up with was the bbc then having to

ended up with was the bbc then having to
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almost go full circle and and then kind

almost go full circle and and then kind
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of some kind of acceptance to a level

of some kind of acceptance to a level
but<01:37:54.239> they

but they

but they
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the problem with the bbc is that it's

the problem with the bbc is that it's
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level it has levels of middle management

level it has levels of middle management
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and high management and often

and high management and often
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the people with the information are the

the people with the information are the
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troops on the ground

troops on the ground
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all right and so it applies to all

all right and so it applies to all
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organizations but but the bbc is

organizations but but the bbc is
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particularly large so you have the the

particularly large so you have the the
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troops i would call them on the ground

troops i would call them on the ground
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these are the people that have the

these are the people that have the
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information know what's going on and are

information know what's going on and are
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able to tell you as a as the boss

able to tell you as a as the boss
what

what

what
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you should know

you should know
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but what happened is that the senior

but what happened is that the senior
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management and the middle management

management and the middle management
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failed to engage with the troops on the

failed to engage with the troops on the
ground

ground

ground
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so they were dealing with what they

so they were dealing with what they
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wanted to deal with and what they

wanted to deal with and what they
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thought that they knew without knowing

thought that they knew without knowing
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the information and therefore as a

the information and therefore as a
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result of that their arrogance was that

result of that their arrogance was that
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they came out and gave certain

they came out and gave certain
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information which of course was wrong

information which of course was wrong
and<01:38:44.880> not<01:38:45.199> true

and not true

and not true
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so that's where it failed i think if you

so that's where it failed i think if you
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look back on the savile investigation

look back on the savile investigation
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if you worked in risk management and

if you worked in risk management and
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crisis communication that is the example

crisis communication that is the example
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of how not to do it

of how not to do it
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is there a scramble to protect the

is there a scramble to protect the
mothership<01:39:00.880> when<01:39:01.040> something<01:39:01.360> like<01:39:01.520> this

mothership when something like this

mothership when something like this
happens

happens

happens
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there always is you know look at baby

there always is you know look at baby
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peter you know the the

peter you know the the
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the chief um head of children's services

the chief um head of children's services
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came out and said we've done nothing

came out and said we've done nothing
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wrong you know this is the biggest

wrong you know this is the biggest
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problem with organizations is that when

problem with organizations is that when
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you get something wrong

you get something wrong
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hold your hand up

hold your hand up
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we failed

we failed
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we need to do it better we will properly

we need to do it better we will properly
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investigate what's going on and we'll

investigate what's going on and we'll
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find out and we'll get to the bottom of

find out and we'll get to the bottom of
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this when you come out with the

this when you come out with the
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arrogance and say actually do you know

arrogance and say actually do you know
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what we didn't do anything wrong it is

what we didn't do anything wrong it is
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it it will fall back on you you will end

it it will fall back on you you will end
up<01:39:32.320> in<01:39:32.560> time

up in time

up in time
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wishing you'd never said that and that's

wishing you'd never said that and that's
that's<01:39:37.360> shown<01:39:37.679> and<01:39:37.760> repeated<01:39:38.320> itself<01:39:39.040> over

that's shown and repeated itself over

that's shown and repeated itself over
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and over and over again and the bbc

and over and over again and the bbc
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exactly the same you know as a result of

exactly the same you know as a result of
my<01:39:43.199> investigation<01:39:44.000> and<01:39:44.080> my<01:39:44.320> program

my investigation and my program

my investigation and my program
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and the impact of what it caused the

and the impact of what it caused the
director<01:39:48.159> general<01:39:48.560> resigned

director general resigned

director general resigned
you<01:39:49.679> know<01:39:49.920> i<01:39:50.080> think

you know i think

you know i think
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as far as as moments in time you know my

as far as as moments in time you know my
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program was a massive moment in time but

program was a massive moment in time but
there<01:39:56.560> are<01:39:57.119> two<01:39:57.440> other<01:39:57.600> moments<01:39:58.000> which<01:39:58.239> i

there are two other moments which i

there are two other moments which i
think<01:39:58.560> are<01:39:58.719> probably

think are probably

think are probably
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the biggest moments in time which is one

the biggest moments in time which is one
the<01:40:02.159> director<01:40:02.560> general<01:40:02.880> was<01:40:03.119> resigning

the director general was resigning

the director general was resigning
and<01:40:04.800> jimmy<01:40:05.119> savile's<01:40:06.080> headstone<01:40:06.639> being

and jimmy savile's headstone being

and jimmy savile's headstone being
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removed you know those two moments for

removed you know those two moments for
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me i remember where i was on both

me i remember where i was on both
occasions<01:40:11.760> one<01:40:12.000> occasion<01:40:12.400> i<01:40:12.480> was<01:40:12.639> on<01:40:12.719> the<01:40:12.880> tube

occasions one occasion i was on the tube

occasions one occasion i was on the tube
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and the other occasion i was coming back

and the other occasion i was coming back
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from an interview on the train i

from an interview on the train i
remember<01:40:17.199> them<01:40:17.360> saying<01:40:17.600> the<01:40:17.679> director

remember them saying the director

remember them saying the director
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general's resigned and it was like this

general's resigned and it was like this
is<01:40:19.760> just<01:40:20.159> incredible<01:40:20.639> and<01:40:20.960> actually<01:40:21.440> he

is just incredible and actually he

is just incredible and actually he
didn't<01:40:22.000> need<01:40:22.239> to<01:40:22.400> resign<01:40:23.360> if<01:40:24.000> he'd<01:40:24.239> have<01:40:24.400> taken

didn't need to resign if he'd have taken

didn't need to resign if he'd have taken
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the proper advice and he had dealt with

the proper advice and he had dealt with
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it properly he wasn't imposed when all

it properly he wasn't imposed when all
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this went on but what he was able to do

this went on but what he was able to do
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is to deal with it and give some kind of

is to deal with it and give some kind of
reassurance<01:40:36.159> that<01:40:36.320> the<01:40:36.480> bbc<01:40:37.040> were<01:40:37.280> taking

reassurance that the bbc were taking

reassurance that the bbc were taking
this<01:40:37.760> seriously

this seriously

this seriously
that<01:40:39.280> didn't<01:40:39.520> come<01:40:39.760> across

that didn't come across

that didn't come across
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why was the show pulled

why was the show pulled
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the news night team could have broken

the news night team could have broken
the<01:40:46.480> savile<01:40:46.960> story<01:40:47.360> but<01:40:47.520> they

the savile story but they

the savile story but they
didn't<01:40:49.920> they<01:40:50.159> had<01:40:50.560> several<01:40:51.040> testimonies

they had found clear and compelling

they had found clear and compelling
evidence<01:40:56.800> that<01:40:57.040> savile<01:40:57.440> was<01:40:57.600> a<01:40:57.679> paedophile

evidence that savile was a paedophile

evidence that savile was a paedophile
the<01:41:00.560> news<01:41:00.880> night<01:41:01.199> journalists<01:41:01.920> had<01:41:02.080> a<01:41:02.239> duty<01:41:03.199> to

the news night journalists had a duty to

the news night journalists had a duty to
report<01:41:03.760> the<01:41:03.840> story

report the story

report the story
and<01:41:05.360> they<01:41:05.520> wanted<01:41:05.920> to

and they wanted to

and they wanted to
liz<01:41:08.000> mckean<01:41:08.800> and<01:41:09.040> marion<01:41:09.600> jones<01:41:10.159> wanted<01:41:10.560> to

liz mckean and marion jones wanted to

liz mckean and marion jones wanted to
run<01:41:10.960> the<01:41:11.119> story

run the story

run the story
but<01:41:13.600> the<01:41:13.760> higher-ups<01:41:14.480> didn't

but the higher-ups didn't

but the higher-ups didn't
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some say they felt it would ruin their

some say they felt it would ruin their
plans<01:41:18.800> for<01:41:18.960> shane<01:41:19.360> rich's<01:41:19.760> jim<01:41:20.000> will<01:41:20.159> fix<01:41:20.400> it

plans for shane rich's jim will fix it

plans for shane rich's jim will fix it
tribute<01:41:21.040> show<01:41:21.280> planned<01:41:21.520> for<01:41:21.679> christmas<01:41:22.080> that

tribute show planned for christmas that

tribute show planned for christmas that
year

year

year
instead

instead

instead
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the bbc turned another blind eye to

the bbc turned another blind eye to
savile's<01:41:28.880> offending

savile's offending

savile's offending
and<01:41:30.840> axed<01:41:31.840> the<01:41:32.000> news<01:41:32.320> night<01:41:32.639> investigation

and axed the news night investigation

and axed the news night investigation
was<01:41:34.639> it<01:41:34.800> to<01:41:34.960> save<01:41:35.280> their<01:41:35.520> reputation

was it to save their reputation

was it to save their reputation
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was it to save the shane richie

was it to save the shane richie
christmas<01:41:40.239> special

christmas special

christmas special
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the official line from the bbc is that

the official line from the bbc is that
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news night editors felt there wasn't a

news night editors felt there wasn't a
strong<01:41:47.280> enough<01:41:47.600> story

strong enough story

strong enough story
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the cps had decided to prosecute so

the cps had decided to prosecute so
there<01:41:52.159> was<01:41:52.800> no<01:41:53.199> story

there was no story

there was no story
liz<01:41:55.520> mckean

liz mckean

liz mckean
the<01:41:56.960> journalist<01:41:57.440> working<01:41:57.840> on<01:41:57.920> the<01:41:58.080> news<01:41:58.320> night

the journalist working on the news night

the journalist working on the news night
report<01:41:59.040> was<01:41:59.280> furious

report was furious

report was furious
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the bbc immediately began lying

the bbc immediately began lying
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suggesting the story was about the cps

suggesting the story was about the cps
and<01:42:10.480> we'd<01:42:10.800> not<01:42:11.040> stood<01:42:11.360> it<01:42:11.520> up

and we'd not stood it up

and we'd not stood it up
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and not about the thing it was about

and not about the thing it was about
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it was obvious that it would eventually

it was obvious that it would eventually
come<01:42:17.360> out<01:42:18.000> for<01:42:18.159> no<01:42:18.480> reason<01:42:18.880> then

come out for no reason then

come out for no reason then
others<01:42:20.080> would<01:42:20.320> come<01:42:20.560> forward

others would come forward

others would come forward
we<01:42:21.840> knew

we knew

we knew
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that mark williams thomas was going to

that mark williams thomas was going to
take<01:42:26.000> it<01:42:26.159> elsewhere<01:42:26.960> with<01:42:27.199> our<01:42:27.360> blessing

take it elsewhere with our blessing

take it elsewhere with our blessing
because<01:42:28.560> this<01:42:28.719> was<01:42:28.880> a<01:42:29.040> story<01:42:29.360> that<01:42:29.600> needed<01:42:30.159> to

because this was a story that needed to

because this was a story that needed to
be<01:42:30.480> told

nick cohen interviewed liz mckean for

nick cohen interviewed liz mckean for
the<01:42:36.080> observer<01:42:36.719> in<01:42:37.040> 2015.

there is a small group of powerful

there is a small group of powerful
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people at the bbc who think it would

people at the bbc who think it would
have<01:42:44.560> been<01:42:44.800> better<01:42:45.360> if<01:42:45.440> the<01:42:45.600> truth<01:42:45.840> about

have been better if the truth about

have been better if the truth about
savile<01:42:46.480> had<01:42:46.800> never<01:42:47.119> come<01:42:47.360> out

savile had never come out

savile had never come out
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and they aim to punish the reporters who

and they aim to punish the reporters who
revealed<01:42:50.719> it

revealed it

revealed it
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when the savile story broke the bbc

when the savile story broke the bbc
tried<01:42:54.639> to<01:42:54.800> smear<01:42:55.199> my<01:42:55.440> reputation

tried to smear my reputation

tried to smear my reputation
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they said they had banned the film

they said they had banned the film
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because marion and i had produced shoddy

because marion and i had produced shoddy
journalism

journalism

journalism
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i stayed to fight them but i knew they

i stayed to fight them but i knew they
would<01:43:06.080> make<01:43:06.320> me<01:43:06.560> leave<01:43:06.880> in<01:43:06.960> the<01:43:07.199> end

would make me leave in the end

would make me leave in the end
mckean<01:43:09.920> quit<01:43:10.239> the<01:43:10.400> bbc

mckean quit the bbc

mckean quit the bbc
miriam<01:43:12.560> jones<01:43:12.960> was<01:43:13.199> sacked

miriam jones was sacked

miriam jones was sacked
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like west yorkshire police the bbc held

like west yorkshire police the bbc held
their<01:43:18.000> own<01:43:18.159> inquiry<01:43:18.719> into<01:43:18.960> their<01:43:19.199> conduct

their own inquiry into their conduct

their own inquiry into their conduct
regarding<01:43:20.159> seville

regarding seville

regarding seville
unsurprisingly

unsurprisingly

unsurprisingly
no<01:43:23.760> one<01:43:24.000> has<01:43:24.480> ever

no one has ever

no one has ever
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been held to account for failing to

been held to account for failing to
report<01:43:28.560> savile's<01:43:29.119> crimes

report savile's crimes

report savile's crimes
savile<01:43:31.760> was<01:43:32.000> a<01:43:32.080> danger<01:43:32.480> to<01:43:32.639> young<01:43:32.960> people<01:43:33.360> both

savile was a danger to young people both

savile was a danger to young people both
girls<01:43:34.400> and<01:43:34.800> boys

girls and boys

girls and boys
opportunistic<01:43:36.960> and<01:43:37.280> shameless

opportunistic and shameless

opportunistic and shameless
i<01:43:39.199> have<01:43:39.440> identified<01:43:40.400> 72

i have identified 72

i have identified 72
bbc<01:43:42.560> victims<01:43:43.119> of<01:43:43.280> savile

bbc victims of savile

bbc victims of savile
of<01:43:44.800> whom<01:43:45.199> 34

of whom 34

of whom 34
were<01:43:46.719> under<01:43:46.960> the<01:43:47.119> age<01:43:47.280> of<01:43:47.440> 16.

were under the age of 16.

were under the age of 16.
his<01:43:49.440> youngest<01:43:50.000> victim<01:43:50.800> was<01:43:51.119> aged<01:43:51.600> eight

his youngest victim was aged eight

his youngest victim was aged eight
his<01:43:54.080> abuse<01:43:54.639> included<01:43:55.520> eight<01:43:56.159> cases<01:43:56.639> of<01:43:56.800> rape

his abuse included eight cases of rape

his abuse included eight cases of rape
the<01:43:58.400> youngest<01:43:58.880> victim<01:43:59.600> being<01:44:00.000> only<01:44:00.480> 10<01:44:00.719> years

the youngest victim being only 10 years

the youngest victim being only 10 years
old

old

old
there<01:44:02.320> are<01:44:02.480> still<01:44:02.719> people<01:44:02.960> in<01:44:03.040> the<01:44:03.119> bbc

there are still people in the bbc

there are still people in the bbc
there's<01:44:03.840> still<01:44:04.000> people<01:44:04.320> in<01:44:04.639> in<01:44:04.960> television

there's still people in in television

there's still people in in television
worldwide

worldwide

worldwide
and<01:44:07.280> in<01:44:07.440> the<01:44:07.840> media<01:44:08.719> who

and in the media who

and in the media who
hate<01:44:10.000> me<01:44:10.159> for<01:44:10.320> what<01:44:10.400> i've<01:44:10.560> done<01:44:10.960> who<01:44:11.199> dislike

hate me for what i've done who dislike

hate me for what i've done who dislike
me<01:44:11.920> because<01:44:12.239> i've<01:44:12.400> exposed<01:44:12.880> jimmy<01:44:13.199> savile<01:44:13.679> and

me because i've exposed jimmy savile and

me because i've exposed jimmy savile and
subsequently<01:44:14.960> exposed<01:44:15.360> max<01:44:15.600> clifford<01:44:16.400> ralph

subsequently exposed max clifford ralph

subsequently exposed max clifford ralph
harris<01:44:17.440> and<01:44:17.679> other<01:44:17.840> people<01:44:18.320> you<01:44:18.480> know<01:44:18.719> i<01:44:18.880> can't

harris and other people you know i can't

harris and other people you know i can't
that's<01:44:20.480> their<01:44:20.800> inability<01:44:21.440> to<01:44:21.600> deal<01:44:21.760> with

that's their inability to deal with

that's their inability to deal with
things<01:44:22.080> that's<01:44:22.480> their

things that's their

things that's their
failings<01:44:24.080> all<01:44:24.320> i<01:44:24.480> can<01:44:24.639> do<01:44:24.880> is<01:44:25.040> hold<01:44:25.280> myself

failings all i can do is hold myself

failings all i can do is hold myself
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true to what i believe i've done and

true to what i believe i've done and
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what i believe was the right thing and i

what i believe was the right thing and i
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know that exposing savile not only had a

know that exposing savile not only had a
huge<01:44:32.639> impact<01:44:33.040> on<01:44:33.199> me<01:44:34.000> physically<01:44:34.480> and

huge impact on me physically and

huge impact on me physically and
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mentally because it was a massive thing

mentally because it was a massive thing
to<01:44:36.560> do

to do

to do
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but it was the right thing to do and i

but it was the right thing to do and i
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know that i have saved

know that i have saved
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hundreds if not thousands of people

hundreds if not thousands of people
from

from

from
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either continued trauma or being abused

either continued trauma or being abused
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there was a culture of not complaining

there was a culture of not complaining
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or of raising concerns

or of raising concerns
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bbc staff felt and were sometimes told

bbc staff felt and were sometimes told
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that it was not in their best interests

that it was not in their best interests
to<01:45:01.679> pursue<01:45:02.080> a<01:45:02.159> complaint

to pursue a complaint

to pursue a complaint
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loyalty to and pride in a program could

loyalty to and pride in a program could
hinder<01:45:08.480> the<01:45:08.639> sharing<01:45:09.280> of<01:45:09.520> concerns

hinder the sharing of concerns

hinder the sharing of concerns
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there was a reluctance to rock the boat

there was a reluctance to rock the boat
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but this report does some of the details

but this report does some of the details
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are shocking one victim was told keep

are shocking one victim was told keep
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your mouth shut he's a vip that even

your mouth shut he's a vip that even
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with plenty of material out in the

with plenty of material out in the
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public eye which cast doubt over jimmy

public eye which cast doubt over jimmy
savile's<01:45:26.719> character<01:45:27.440> bbc<01:45:28.000> bosses<01:45:28.400> didn't

savile's character bbc bosses didn't

savile's character bbc bosses didn't
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think to remove him from his position of

think to remove him from his position of
unfettered<01:45:31.920> access<01:45:32.639> to<01:45:32.800> vulnerable<01:45:33.520> young

unfettered access to vulnerable young

unfettered access to vulnerable young
people

in 2016 tony blackburn

in 2016 tony blackburn
former<01:45:40.320> dj<01:45:40.719> at<01:45:40.800> the<01:45:40.880> bbc<01:45:41.520> was<01:45:41.840> fired

former dj at the bbc was fired

former dj at the bbc was fired
due<01:45:43.199> to<01:45:43.440> evidence<01:45:43.920> he'd<01:45:44.159> given<01:45:44.560> at<01:45:44.719> the

due to evidence he'd given at the

due to evidence he'd given at the
inquiry<01:45:45.600> into<01:45:45.920> allegations<01:45:46.639> of<01:45:46.800> sexual<01:45:47.280> abuse

inquiry into allegations of sexual abuse

inquiry into allegations of sexual abuse
the<01:45:49.280> former<01:45:49.679> dj<01:45:50.159> was<01:45:50.320> sacked<01:45:50.880> due<01:45:51.119> to

the former dj was sacked due to

the former dj was sacked due to
inconsistencies<01:45:52.880> he<01:45:53.040> had<01:45:53.199> given<01:45:53.520> in<01:45:53.600> the

inconsistencies he had given in the

inconsistencies he had given in the
inquiry

i don't know if you remember an

i don't know if you remember an
interview<01:45:58.239> years<01:45:58.480> ago<01:45:58.800> with<01:45:59.360> um<01:45:59.679> john<01:46:00.000> lydon

interview years ago with um john lydon

interview years ago with um john lydon
oh<01:46:01.760> johnny<01:46:02.080> rotten<01:46:02.560> yeah<01:46:02.800> johnny<01:46:03.119> rotten<01:46:03.600> he

oh johnny rotten yeah johnny rotten he

oh johnny rotten yeah johnny rotten he
gave<01:46:04.000> an<01:46:04.159> interview

gave an interview

gave an interview
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that man about 1978 he was banned from

that man about 1978 he was banned from
the<01:46:07.679> bbc

the bbc

the bbc
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because he outed jimmy several they

because he outed jimmy several they
won't<01:46:10.960> put<01:46:11.040> him<01:46:11.199> on<01:46:11.280> top<01:46:11.520> of<01:46:11.600> the<01:46:11.679> pups<01:46:12.239> exactly

won't put him on top of the pups exactly

won't put him on top of the pups exactly
now

now

now
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if johnny rotten knows

if johnny rotten knows
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i mean he's an intelligent man i mean

i mean he's an intelligent man i mean
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don't get me wrong but if johnny rotten

don't get me wrong but if johnny rotten
knows<01:46:22.239> and<01:46:22.480> spilling<01:46:22.880> the<01:46:23.040> beans

knows and spilling the beans

knows and spilling the beans
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you know if david likes spilling the

you know if david likes spilling the
beans

you know she's

you know she's
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there's a major cover-ups going from

there's a major cover-ups going from
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the royal family right the way down to

the royal family right the way down to
the<01:46:40.400> cps

they hide it

they hide it
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we're the taxpayers we're the licensed

we're the taxpayers we're the licensed
players

players

players
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and for years we've been conned and

and for years we've been conned and
snowed<01:46:57.840> by<01:46:58.000> the<01:46:58.159> bbc

snowed by the bbc

snowed by the bbc
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we have cove sexual cover-ups from top

we have cove sexual cover-ups from top
to<01:47:04.239> bottom

to bottom

to bottom
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how disgusting is that and the bbc knew

how disgusting is that and the bbc knew
about<01:47:09.520> it<01:47:09.679> and<01:47:09.840> they<01:47:10.080> condoned<01:47:10.800> it

about it and they condoned it

about it and they condoned it
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and not one person sean has been held

and not one person sean has been held
responsible

responsible

responsible
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in fact they've been promoted

in fact they've been promoted
they're<01:47:18.560> given<01:47:18.880> pensions

they're given pensions

they're given pensions
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the bbc needs to get his arse into gear

the bbc needs to get his arse into gear
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so how complicit with the bbc in

so how complicit with the bbc in
enabling<01:47:28.239> him

enabling him

enabling him
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right i'm gonna be totally honest here

right i'm gonna be totally honest here
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i've got stacks of notes which i'm i'm

i've got stacks of notes which i'm i'm
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always making notes when i'm indoors you

always making notes when i'm indoors you
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know i've got my purple pen out and i'm

know i've got my purple pen out and i'm
forever<01:47:37.520> right

forever right

forever right
and

it was in

it was in
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1999 that a guy called sir roger jones

1999 that a guy called sir roger jones
decided<01:47:46.639> that<01:47:46.880> jimmy<01:47:47.199> several<01:47:47.520> shall<01:47:47.760> not

decided that jimmy several shall not

decided that jimmy several shall not
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have entrance to the bbc ever again

have entrance to the bbc ever again
he<01:47:51.119> was<01:47:51.360> questioned<01:47:51.840> on

he was questioned on

he was questioned on
a<01:47:52.880> programme<01:47:53.280> by<01:47:53.600> mark<01:47:54.080> williams<01:47:54.719> thomas

a programme by mark williams thomas

a programme by mark williams thomas
the<01:47:55.920> ex-detective<01:47:57.199> yeah<01:47:57.440> we've<01:47:57.600> got<01:47:57.840> him<01:47:58.000> on

the ex-detective yeah we've got him on

the ex-detective yeah we've got him on
this<01:47:58.320> documentary<01:47:59.280> yeah<01:48:00.080> um

this documentary yeah um

this documentary yeah um
and<01:48:02.080> mark<01:48:02.320> williams<01:48:02.639> thomas<01:48:03.040> aston<01:48:03.520> question

and mark williams thomas aston question

and mark williams thomas aston question
did<01:48:04.480> you<01:48:04.719> know<01:48:05.119> at<01:48:05.199> the<01:48:05.440> time

did you know at the time

did you know at the time
he<01:48:07.199> didn't<01:48:07.360> have<01:48:07.520> a<01:48:07.600> straight<01:48:07.840> answer

he didn't have a straight answer

he didn't have a straight answer
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but for him to turn around and in 1999

but for him to turn around and in 1999
terminus<01:48:13.440> say

terminus say

terminus say
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no we don't want savile in here

no we don't want savile in here
that<01:48:17.440> tells<01:48:17.760> you<01:48:17.840> something<01:48:18.159> straight<01:48:18.400> away

that tells you something straight away

that tells you something straight away
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then we go back to children in need the

then we go back to children in need the
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reason i bring up children in these is

reason i bring up children in these is
because<01:48:24.960> someone<01:48:25.280> in<01:48:25.360> the<01:48:25.440> bbc<01:48:26.000> wanted

because someone in the bbc wanted

because someone in the bbc wanted
several<01:48:26.719> on<01:48:26.960> children<01:48:27.360> in<01:48:27.520> need

several on children in need

several on children in need
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and the higher i cut the bbc said no we

and the higher i cut the bbc said no we
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can't have them in charge of children

can't have them in charge of children
and<01:48:34.000> they

and they

and they
never<01:48:35.040> gave<01:48:35.280> a<01:48:35.360> reason

never gave a reason

never gave a reason
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you know turn around and said no we just

you know turn around and said no we just
can't<01:48:38.800> have<01:48:38.960> him

can't have him

can't have him
esther<01:48:41.119> anson<01:48:41.679> said

esther anson said

esther anson said
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and she quoted on a couple occasions

and she quoted on a couple occasions
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now when you have mark williams

now when you have mark williams
thomas<01:48:55.199> on<01:48:55.520> on

thomas on on

thomas on on
he<01:48:56.639> will<01:48:56.800> tell<01:48:56.960> you<01:48:57.119> that

he will tell you that

he will tell you that
what's<01:48:59.360> the<01:48:59.440> funny<01:48:59.760> way<01:49:00.000> about<01:49:00.639> we're

what's the funny way about we're

what's the funny way about we're
colluding<01:49:01.280> and<01:49:01.440> why<01:49:01.600> would<01:49:01.760> you<01:49:01.840> determine

colluding and why would you determine

colluding and why would you determine
and<01:49:02.480> say<01:49:02.719> in<01:49:02.800> a<01:49:02.880> funny<01:49:03.280> way

and say in a funny way

and say in a funny way
you<01:49:04.719> know

you know

you know
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it sounds like you did collude with him

it sounds like you did collude with him
you<01:49:07.760> knew<01:49:07.920> what<01:49:08.080> was<01:49:08.239> going<01:49:08.560> on

you knew what was going on

you knew what was going on
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a couple years later she's starting up

a couple years later she's starting up
childline

she said it's very painful and

she said it's very painful and
distressing<01:49:16.239> for<01:49:16.400> who

distressing for who

distressing for who
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for the people that are involved or

for the people that are involved or
because<01:49:20.719> you<01:49:20.880> knew<01:49:21.119> what<01:49:21.280> was<01:49:21.440> going<01:49:21.760> on

because you knew what was going on

because you knew what was going on
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we've made them into the jimmy seville

we've made them into the jimmy seville
who<01:49:26.719> was<01:49:26.960> untouchable

now there's three

now there's three
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quotes there that esther's come out with

quotes there that esther's come out with
that<01:49:34.639> tell<01:49:34.960> me

that tell me

that tell me
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that she knew what was going on

that she knew what was going on
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her husband desmond wilcox he was a

her husband desmond wilcox he was a
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filmmaker at the time but it was also in

filmmaker at the time but it was also in
charge<01:49:42.960> of<01:49:43.040> the<01:49:43.119> bbc

charge of the bbc

charge of the bbc
her<01:49:45.679> husband

the clues are there

the clues are there
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in a funny sort of way we colluded with

in a funny sort of way we colluded with
him

him

him
if i<01:49:55.360> said<01:49:55.520> to<01:49:55.599> you<01:49:55.679> and<01:49:55.840> i<01:49:55.920> finished<01:49:56.239> it<01:49:56.320> well

if i said to you and i finished it well

if i said to you and i finished it well
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it makes you sort of

it makes you sort of
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like christopher said that you could be

like christopher said that you could be
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yeah because i mean at the end of the

yeah because i mean at the end of the
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day i mean if you're young you're

day i mean if you're young you're
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vulnerable okay if you if you're a 14

vulnerable okay if you if you're a 14
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year old girl or 16 year old girl going

year old girl or 16 year old girl going
to<01:50:17.360> the<01:50:17.520> top<01:50:17.679> of<01:50:17.760> the<01:50:17.840> pops

to the top of the pops

to the top of the pops
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and you're standing next to the white

and you're standing next to the white
head

head

head
um

um

um
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face of the bbc who's who's probably

face of the bbc who's who's probably
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you know been done

you know been done
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done it all and you're thinking if i get

done it all and you're thinking if i get
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him with him you know i mean he's gonna

him with him you know i mean he's gonna
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make me a star you know i'm gonna end up

make me a star you know i'm gonna end up
making<01:50:35.840> a<01:50:35.920> lot<01:50:36.080> of<01:50:36.239> money<01:50:36.639> and

making a lot of money and

making a lot of money and
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in reality you're going to end up making

in reality you're going to end up making
subtle<01:50:40.000> because<01:50:40.239> all<01:50:40.320> this<01:50:40.560> guy<01:50:40.800> wants<01:50:41.119> you

subtle because all this guy wants you

subtle because all this guy wants you
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for is a quick fling and a fiddle

for is a quick fling and a fiddle
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get you out of the door and if you say

get you out of the door and if you say
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anything i'm going to ruin your life he

anything i'm going to ruin your life he
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said he's going to ruin your i mean the

said he's going to ruin your i mean the
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amount of times he said it to people i'm

amount of times he said it to people i'm
going<01:50:51.360> to<01:50:51.440> ruin<01:50:51.760> your<01:50:51.920> life

going to ruin your life

going to ruin your life
[Music]

as savile got older his allure as a

as savile got older his allure as a
celebrity<01:51:01.840> dj

celebrity dj

celebrity dj
started<01:51:03.520> to<01:51:03.760> fade<01:51:04.560> no<01:51:04.800> longer<01:51:05.119> did<01:51:05.360> groupies

started to fade no longer did groupies

started to fade no longer did groupies
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swarm around him as they had done during

swarm around him as they had done during
his<01:51:09.199> manchester<01:51:10.480> mecca<01:51:11.280> dancehall<01:51:12.159> days

his manchester mecca dancehall days

his manchester mecca dancehall days
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so did savile turn to hospital patients

so did savile turn to hospital patients
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finding them a captive audience with

finding them a captive audience with
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plenty of vulnerable victims

plenty of vulnerable victims
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forty years ago june thornton was a

forty years ago june thornton was a
patient<01:51:28.800> at<01:51:28.960> leeds<01:51:29.280> general<01:51:29.679> infirmary

patient at leeds general infirmary

patient at leeds general infirmary
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she says she saw the tv and radio star

she says she saw the tv and radio star
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molest a brain damaged girl a memory

molest a brain damaged girl a memory
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that has haunted her

that has haunted her
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jimmy savile come to a young lady sat in

jimmy savile come to a young lady sat in
a<01:51:41.760> chair

a chair

a chair
unfortunately<01:51:44.320> this<01:51:44.639> lady<01:51:45.599> i<01:51:45.760> think<01:51:46.000> had

unfortunately this lady i think had

unfortunately this lady i think had
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brain damage because she just sat there

brain damage because she just sat there
and

and

and
he

kissed her

kissed her
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and i thought he was a visitor

and i thought he was a visitor
coming<01:51:59.280> to<01:51:59.440> see<01:51:59.679> her

coming to see her

coming to see her
and

and

and
he

he

he
started<01:52:04.560> rubbing<01:52:04.960> his<01:52:05.119> hands<01:52:05.760> down<01:52:06.080> her<01:52:06.239> arms

started rubbing his hands down her arms

started rubbing his hands down her arms
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and then i don't know of a nice way to

and then i don't know of a nice way to
put<01:52:10.719> it<01:52:11.119> but

put it but

put it but
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he molested her he helped herself

he molested her he helped herself
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and she just sat there and couldn't do

and she just sat there and couldn't do
anything<01:52:17.199> about<01:52:17.599> it

anything about it

anything about it
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and i've lived with that now for 40

and i've lived with that now for 40
years

years

years
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he volunteered at leeds general

he volunteered at leeds general
infirmary<01:52:25.280> in<01:52:25.440> stoke<01:52:25.760> mandeville

infirmary in stoke mandeville

infirmary in stoke mandeville
he<01:52:28.560> was<01:52:28.719> also<01:52:29.040> heavily<01:52:29.440> involved<01:52:29.760> in

he was also heavily involved in

he was also heavily involved in
broadmoor

broadmoor

broadmoor
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and to a lesser degree at rampton in

and to a lesser degree at rampton in
nottinghamshire

nottinghamshire

nottinghamshire
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so we did some work around broadmoor in

so we did some work around broadmoor in
the<01:52:38.239> second<01:52:38.639> series<01:52:39.040> second<01:52:39.360> program<01:52:39.760> we<01:52:39.920> did

the second series second program we did

the second series second program we did
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which was the uh savile update

which was the uh savile update
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and part of that we interviewed edwina

and part of that we interviewed edwina
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curry who i've got to know really well

curry who i've got to know really well
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now she's she's very nice

now she's she's very nice
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and she was um to one of the ministers

and she was um to one of the ministers
there

there

there
and<01:52:52.639> she<01:52:52.880> gave<01:52:53.119> the<01:52:53.320> responsibility<01:52:54.400> to

and she gave the responsibility to

and she gave the responsibility to
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savile to be chair of this task force to

savile to be chair of this task force to
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go in and look at broadmoor and to see

go in and look at broadmoor and to see
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whether or not it needed improvement and

whether or not it needed improvement and
broadmoor<01:53:03.679> was<01:53:03.840> that<01:53:04.320> mentally<01:53:04.880> ill<01:53:05.360> people

broadmoor was that mentally ill people

broadmoor was that mentally ill people
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so yeah so broadmoor is one of the top

so yeah so broadmoor is one of the top
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security prisons it's a mental mental

security prisons it's a mental mental
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prison it's a hospital in essence really

prison it's a hospital in essence really
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it's a hospital but the most dangerous

it's a hospital but the most dangerous
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are there so the craves peter sutcliffe

are there so the craves peter sutcliffe
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uh yeah the most dangerous people in

uh yeah the most dangerous people in
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society who are in essence untreatable

society who are in essence untreatable
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are in broadmoor or one of the other

are in broadmoor or one of the other
institutions<01:53:27.280> around<01:53:27.599> that<01:53:27.840> so

institutions around that so

institutions around that so
they<01:53:29.119> give<01:53:29.520> a<01:53:29.599> set<01:53:29.840> of<01:53:30.000> keys

they give a set of keys

they give a set of keys
to

to

to
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savile in order to be on this task force

savile in order to be on this task force
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now what edwina told edwina curry told

now what edwina told edwina curry told
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us is that she was aware that he was

us is that she was aware that he was
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using his power and influence around his

using his power and influence around his
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role there and that might be to the

role there and that might be to the
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degree that he would find out about

degree that he would find out about
staff<01:53:47.840> certain<01:53:48.239> doing<01:53:48.560> certain<01:53:48.960> things<01:53:49.520> and

staff certain doing certain things and

staff certain doing certain things and
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then he would have power and control

then he would have power and control
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over them so they wouldn't say anything

over them so they wouldn't say anything
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but we interviewed uh witnesses victims

but we interviewed uh witnesses victims
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from there who'd been in the care system

from there who'd been in the care system
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in terms of being in broadmoor and

in terms of being in broadmoor and
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there's one lady that gave us an account

there's one lady that gave us an account
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which was truly horrific so in those

which was truly horrific so in those
days

days

days
the<01:54:06.159> female<01:54:06.719> ward<01:54:07.520> would<01:54:07.920> have

the female ward would have

the female ward would have
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bars kind of like old dormitories

bars kind of like old dormitories
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private schools so the bars would be

private schools so the bars would be
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alongside each other and she was taking

alongside each other and she was taking
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a bath one day and she remembers having

a bath one day and she remembers having
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this bath and savile just stood in the

this bath and savile just stood in the
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background just wandering around between

background just wandering around between
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the girls and she talks about one

the girls and she talks about one
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occasion when he then took her into a

occasion when he then took her into a
one<01:54:27.679> of<01:54:27.760> the<01:54:28.080> rooms<01:54:28.719> and<01:54:28.880> indecently

one of the rooms and indecently

one of the rooms and indecently
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assaulted her but salvo had free reign

assaulted her but salvo had free reign
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around there i mean we interviewed alan

around there i mean we interviewed alan
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franey who was the general manager there

franey who was the general manager there
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at the time who was appointed appointed

at the time who was appointed appointed
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as a direct result of savile so savile

as a direct result of savile so savile
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took this task force role and they

took this task force role and they
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wanted a new general manager and frane

wanted a new general manager and frane
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who had no experience in the mental

who had no experience in the mental
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health system no exp experience in the

health system no exp experience in the
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prison system he'd come from hospital

prison system he'd come from hospital
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and was simply a friend of uh saviles

and was simply a friend of uh saviles
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was a given this post and then savile

was a given this post and then savile
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take he comes into post and savile is

take he comes into post and savile is
actually<01:55:00.320> already<01:55:00.639> there<01:55:01.199> and<01:55:01.360> i<01:55:01.440> remember

actually already there and i remember

actually already there and i remember
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interviewing frankie and said to him so

interviewing frankie and said to him so
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what role did you give him and he said

what role did you give him and he said
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well he already had a role at the place

well he already had a role at the place
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and i said yeah but what role was that

and i said yeah but what role was that
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he said well assistant entertainment

he said well assistant entertainment
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manager i said well what did that

manager i said well what did that
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involve he went well i'm not really sure

involve he went well i'm not really sure
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i said you're the general manager you're

i said you're the general manager you're
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the boss how did you not know what this

the boss how did you not know what this
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bloke was doing i said he had a set of

bloke was doing i said he had a set of
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keys he said well yeah he only had set

keys he said well yeah he only had set
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of keys he didn't have a set of keys to

of keys he didn't have a set of keys to
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bedrooms i said he had a set of keys two

bedrooms i said he had a set of keys two
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everywhere he might not have been in the

everywhere he might not have been in the
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room the bedrooms but he had a set of

room the bedrooms but he had a set of
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keys to go wherever he wanted

keys to go wherever he wanted
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well i mean we heard some horrific

well i mean we heard some horrific
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stories about what he did there there is

stories about what he did there there is
no<01:55:33.199> doubt

no doubt

no doubt
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that he preyed on those individuals

that he preyed on those individuals
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within the prison set prison network at

within the prison set prison network at
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broadmoor he had a free reign i mean

broadmoor he had a free reign i mean
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there was staff that called us who were

there was staff that called us who were
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there at the time who hated him hated

there at the time who hated him hated
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him with a vengeance because he

him with a vengeance because he
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effectively thought that he was the boss

effectively thought that he was the boss
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he could come and go he could do what he

he could come and go he could do what he
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wanted he ignored things i mean the keys

wanted he ignored things i mean the keys
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for example you had to hang the keys up

for example you had to hang the keys up
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at the end of every shift he didn't he

at the end of every shift he didn't he
took<01:55:56.080> the<01:55:56.159> keys<01:55:56.400> with<01:55:56.639> him

took the keys with him

took the keys with him
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you know protocol broken all the time so

you know protocol broken all the time so
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he got away with that

he got away with that
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working at these institutions had many

working at these institutions had many
benefits<01:56:04.400> for<01:56:04.560> savile

benefits for savile

benefits for savile
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not only would he have access to new

not only would he have access to new
victims

victims

victims
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the publicity would boost his fame

the publicity would boost his fame
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and cast him in a favorable light

and cast him in a favorable light
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throwing people off the scent man what

throwing people off the scent man what
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work was he doing at leeds general

work was he doing at leeds general
hospital

there was a guy called franey

there was a guy called franey
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who was a good friend of jimmy saviles

who was a good friend of jimmy saviles
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who was in charge of leeds general

who was in charge of leeds general
hospital

hospital

hospital
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and what friendly done was um

and what friendly done was um
jimmy

jimmy

jimmy
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you know got involved with frane

you know got involved with frane
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and what eventually happened was that he

and what eventually happened was that he
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made his way to leeds hospital

made his way to leeds hospital
put<01:56:44.080> himself<01:56:44.400> forward<01:56:44.719> for<01:56:44.880> volunteering

put himself forward for volunteering

put himself forward for volunteering
as<01:56:46.480> a<01:56:46.560> porter

as a porter

as a porter
now

now

now
the<01:56:49.520> first<01:56:49.840> early<01:56:50.159> recorded<01:56:50.719> case

the first early recorded case

the first early recorded case
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that savile was involved in was in 1955

that savile was involved in was in 1955
just

just

just
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before he went to leeds general hospital

before he went to leeds general hospital
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so he's in the um leads general he's put

so he's in the um leads general he's put
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himself forward with his port as well

himself forward with his port as well
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he's then not only doing the porter's

he's then not only doing the porter's
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role he's done the radio at the hospital

role he's done the radio at the hospital
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as well so he's getting himself well

as well so he's getting himself well
known

known

known
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in two different areas there

in two different areas there
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he's making himself out to be something

he's making himself out to be something
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you know he's trying he's

you know he's trying he's
spreading<01:57:20.239> the<01:57:20.320> word<01:57:20.800> but

spreading the word but

spreading the word but
and<01:57:22.639> then<01:57:22.800> it<01:57:22.880> becomes<01:57:23.280> tricky

and then it becomes tricky

and then it becomes tricky
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you know what i mean this is where the

you know what i mean this is where the
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1957 they say that summer leeds general

1957 they say that summer leeds general
hospital

hospital

hospital
stuff<01:57:30.880> started

in 1977 a 12 year old girl went into

in 1977 a 12 year old girl went into
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stoke mandeville hospitals have her

stoke mandeville hospitals have her
tonsils<01:57:40.719> removed

tonsils removed

tonsils removed
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for some reason she was put on a

for some reason she was put on a
geriatric<01:57:44.639> ward

geriatric ward

geriatric ward
separated<01:57:46.080> from<01:57:46.320> other<01:57:46.560> children

separated from other children

separated from other children
in<01:57:48.000> a<01:57:48.080> disclosure

in a disclosure

in a disclosure
taken<01:57:49.920> during<01:57:50.400> operation<01:57:50.960> utree<01:57:52.239> the<01:57:52.400> women

taken during operation utree the women

taken during operation utree the women
described<01:57:53.280> how<01:57:53.520> she<01:57:53.679> had<01:57:53.840> become<01:57:54.320> bored

described how she had become bored

described how she had become bored
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and wandered off the ward where she had

and wandered off the ward where she had
encountered<01:57:58.239> several

encountered several

encountered several
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who was volunteering as a porter

who was volunteering as a porter
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he began chatting to the girl and soon

he began chatting to the girl and soon
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led her off into an empty tv room where

led her off into an empty tv room where
he<01:58:07.280> raped<01:58:07.679> her

he raped her

he raped her
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he left the girl in the tv room

he left the girl in the tv room
she<01:58:13.440> recalls<01:58:14.000> being<01:58:14.320> in<01:58:14.560> shock

she recalls being in shock

she recalls being in shock
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and unable to understand what had

and unable to understand what had
happened

happened

happened
when<01:58:19.760> she<01:58:20.000> returned<01:58:20.320> to<01:58:20.480> the<01:58:20.639> ward<01:58:21.440> she

when she returned to the ward she

when she returned to the ward she
encountered<01:58:22.159> a<01:58:22.320> nurse<01:58:23.040> and<01:58:23.280> told<01:58:23.520> her

encountered a nurse and told her

encountered a nurse and told her
your<01:58:24.880> porter<01:58:25.599> just<01:58:25.920> hurt<01:58:26.159> me

your porter just hurt me

your porter just hurt me
the<01:58:27.679> nurse<01:58:28.159> asked<01:58:28.480> were<01:58:28.960> and<01:58:29.040> the<01:58:29.199> girl<01:58:29.679> unsure

the nurse asked were and the girl unsure

the nurse asked were and the girl unsure
of<01:58:30.239> what<01:58:30.400> to<01:58:30.560> say<01:58:31.280> simply<01:58:31.679> pointed<01:58:32.000> to<01:58:32.159> the

of what to say simply pointed to the

of what to say simply pointed to the
area<01:58:33.040> of<01:58:33.199> her<01:58:33.360> vagina

area of her vagina

area of her vagina
the<01:58:35.520> nurse<01:58:35.840> responded

the nurse responded

the nurse responded
don't<01:58:37.679> say<01:58:38.000> anything<01:58:38.960> i'll<01:58:39.280> get<01:58:39.520> in<01:58:39.679> trouble

don't say anything i'll get in trouble

don't say anything i'll get in trouble
the<01:58:41.360> woman<01:58:41.679> recalled<01:58:42.239> returning<01:58:42.800> to<01:58:42.960> her<01:58:43.199> bed

the woman recalled returning to her bed

the woman recalled returning to her bed
confused

confused

confused
what<01:58:47.360> she<01:58:47.520> knew<01:58:47.679> what<01:58:47.920> had<01:58:48.000> happened<01:58:48.400> was

what she knew what had happened was

what she knew what had happened was
wrong

wrong

wrong
she<01:58:50.560> wrote<01:58:50.800> down<01:58:51.040> a<01:58:51.119> message

she wrote down a message

she wrote down a message
to<01:58:53.280> the<01:58:53.440> doctor

to the doctor

to the doctor
you're<01:58:55.119> poor<01:58:55.360> to<01:58:55.599> hurt<01:58:55.840> me

you're poor to hurt me

you're poor to hurt me
please<01:58:57.199> ring<01:58:57.440> my<01:58:57.679> dad

she added her address and telephone

she added her address and telephone
number<01:59:03.119> and<01:59:03.280> signed<01:59:03.679> the<01:59:03.760> paper

number and signed the paper

number and signed the paper
she<01:59:05.760> then<01:59:06.000> posted<01:59:06.400> the<01:59:06.560> paper<01:59:06.880> into<01:59:07.280> a<01:59:07.440> red

she then posted the paper into a red

she then posted the paper into a red
letter<01:59:08.159> box<01:59:08.560> in<01:59:08.719> a<01:59:08.800> corridor

letter box in a corridor

letter box in a corridor
she<01:59:10.880> believed<01:59:11.280> the<01:59:11.440> paper<01:59:11.679> would<01:59:11.840> go<01:59:12.080> to<01:59:12.239> the

she believed the paper would go to the

she believed the paper would go to the
doctors<01:59:12.719> at<01:59:12.800> the<01:59:12.960> hospital

doctors at the hospital

doctors at the hospital
later<01:59:15.440> that<01:59:15.679> night<01:59:16.000> savile<01:59:16.400> returned<01:59:16.719> to<01:59:16.880> the

later that night savile returned to the

later that night savile returned to the
girl's<01:59:17.440> bed

girl's bed

girl's bed
and<01:59:19.199> sexually<01:59:19.840> assaulted<01:59:20.400> her<01:59:20.719> again

when the second attack ended

when the second attack ended
the<01:59:26.480> girl<01:59:26.880> said<01:59:27.280> she<01:59:27.520> witnessed<01:59:28.080> several<01:59:28.800> walk

the girl said she witnessed several walk

the girl said she witnessed several walk
over<01:59:29.360> to<01:59:29.520> the<01:59:29.599> bed

over to the bed

over to the bed
of<01:59:30.719> an<01:59:30.880> elderly<01:59:31.440> patient

of an elderly patient

of an elderly patient
and<01:59:33.360> then<01:59:33.599> proceed<01:59:34.000> to<01:59:34.159> jump<01:59:34.480> on<01:59:34.639> top<01:59:34.880> of<01:59:35.040> her

and then proceed to jump on top of her

and then proceed to jump on top of her
lying<01:59:36.639> face<01:59:36.960> down

as he did the girl heard a nurse shout

as he did the girl heard a nurse shout
out

out

out
you<01:59:44.560> shouldn't<01:59:44.960> be<01:59:45.119> in<01:59:45.280> here<01:59:45.599> jimmy

the girl saw savile get off the lady and

the girl saw savile get off the lady and
leave<01:59:52.080> the<01:59:52.320> ward

leave the ward

leave the ward
the<01:59:54.159> next<01:59:54.480> day<01:59:54.639> she<01:59:54.800> wrote<01:59:55.040> another<01:59:55.360> letter<01:59:55.599> to

the next day she wrote another letter to

the next day she wrote another letter to
report<01:59:56.159> the<01:59:56.239> attacks

report the attacks

report the attacks
and<01:59:57.679> again<01:59:58.080> she<01:59:58.239> posted<01:59:58.639> it<01:59:58.719> in<01:59:58.880> the<01:59:58.960> same

and again she posted it in the same

and again she posted it in the same
letterbox

letterbox

letterbox
years<02:00:01.760> later

years later

years later
watching<02:00:03.760> tv

watching tv

watching tv
the<02:00:05.360> girl<02:00:05.679> recognized<02:00:06.320> her<02:00:06.560> attacker

the girl recognized her attacker

the girl recognized her attacker
she<02:00:08.639> couldn't<02:00:08.960> understand<02:00:09.679> why<02:00:09.840> the<02:00:10.000> porter

she couldn't understand why the porter

she couldn't understand why the porter
from<02:00:10.480> the<02:00:10.560> hospital<02:00:11.040> was<02:00:11.199> on<02:00:11.360> tv

it's shocking that savile attacked his

it's shocking that savile attacked his
victims<02:00:18.480> so<02:00:18.719> brazenly

it's all so disturbing that his behavior

it's all so disturbing that his behavior
was<02:00:25.599> known<02:00:25.840> to<02:00:26.000> staff

how many hospital workers witnessed

how many hospital workers witnessed
jimmy<02:00:30.639> savile<02:00:30.960> abusing<02:00:31.360> patients

jimmy savile abusing patients

jimmy savile abusing patients
how<02:00:33.119> many<02:00:33.520> knew<02:00:34.159> of<02:00:34.400> his<02:00:34.560> dark<02:00:34.960> side

how many knew of his dark side

how many knew of his dark side
the<02:00:36.719> fact<02:00:36.960> that<02:00:37.119> they<02:00:37.280> said<02:00:37.520> nothing<02:00:38.239> and

the fact that they said nothing and

the fact that they said nothing and
turned<02:00:38.800> a<02:00:38.880> blind<02:00:39.280> eye<02:00:39.920> is<02:00:40.080> despicable

turned a blind eye is despicable

turned a blind eye is despicable
savile<02:00:42.320> had<02:00:42.560> total<02:00:43.040> run<02:00:43.360> of<02:00:43.520> broadmoor

savile had total run of broadmoor

savile had total run of broadmoor
hospital

hospital

hospital
he<02:00:46.400> had<02:00:46.560> a<02:00:46.639> house<02:00:46.960> on<02:00:47.040> the<02:00:47.199> um

he had a house on the um

he had a house on the um
just<02:00:49.440> outside<02:00:49.840> the<02:00:49.920> walls

just outside the walls

just outside the walls
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he had his own caravan inside the walls

he had his own caravan inside the walls
he<02:00:55.440> could<02:00:55.599> come<02:00:55.760> and<02:00:55.840> go<02:00:56.080> she's<02:00:56.320> pleased

he could come and go she's pleased

he could come and go she's pleased
what<02:00:57.920> went<02:00:58.159> on<02:00:58.639> in<02:00:58.800> those<02:00:59.199> mortuaries<02:01:00.400> i'll

what went on in those mortuaries i'll

what went on in those mortuaries i'll
probably<02:01:01.040> only<02:01:01.280> leave<02:01:01.520> the<02:01:01.679> imagination<02:01:02.320> of

probably only leave the imagination of

probably only leave the imagination of
people<02:01:02.719> to<02:01:02.880> read

people to read

people to read
horror<02:01:04.480> stories

horror stories

horror stories
but<02:01:06.320> then<02:01:06.560> you've<02:01:06.639> got<02:01:06.800> leads<02:01:07.119> general

but then you've got leads general

but then you've got leads general
papworth<02:01:08.719> hospital

papworth hospital

papworth hospital
stunt<02:01:10.639> mandeville<02:01:11.199> hospital

stunt mandeville hospital

stunt mandeville hospital
where<02:01:12.719> he<02:01:12.800> had<02:01:12.960> his<02:01:13.119> own<02:01:13.280> room

where he had his own room

where he had his own room
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he had the run of the whole hospital

he had the run of the whole hospital
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oh he's jimmy you know what i mean

oh he's jimmy you know what i mean
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always oh i don't know about his jimmy

always oh i don't know about his jimmy
just<02:01:24.639> let<02:01:24.800> him<02:01:24.880> get<02:01:25.040> on<02:01:25.119> with<02:01:25.360> it

just let him get on with it

just let him get on with it
after<02:01:27.040> savile<02:01:27.360> was<02:01:27.599> outed

after savile was outed

after savile was outed
stock<02:01:29.119> mandeville<02:01:29.760> denied

stock mandeville denied

stock mandeville denied
knowing<02:01:31.360> about<02:01:32.080> any<02:01:32.639> allegations<02:01:33.760> about<02:01:34.000> the

knowing about any allegations about the

knowing about any allegations about the
dj

dj

dj
there

there

there
was

was

was
one<02:01:40.000> 14<02:01:40.480> year<02:01:40.639> old<02:01:40.880> at<02:01:41.040> baltimore

one 14 year old at baltimore

one 14 year old at baltimore
that<02:01:42.480> went<02:01:42.719> squealing

that went squealing

that went squealing
was<02:01:44.159> squatting<02:01:44.639> rightfully<02:01:45.119> so

was squatting rightfully so

was squatting rightfully so
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to the waters and nurses that was told

to the waters and nurses that was told
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to as jimmy savile forget about it

to as jimmy savile forget about it
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there were eight cases at baltimore in

there were eight cases at baltimore in
total

total

total
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there were 40 hospitals that this guy

there were 40 hospitals that this guy
managed<02:02:00.239> to<02:02:00.320> get<02:02:00.480> into<02:02:01.280> from<02:02:01.599> children's

managed to get into from children's

managed to get into from children's
hospitals

hospitals

hospitals
there<02:02:05.199> are<02:02:05.360> numerous

there are numerous

there are numerous
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numerous accounts of how he could have

numerous accounts of how he could have
been<02:02:10.000> caught

and to top it off he's home his own

and to top it off he's home his own
his<02:02:16.560> own<02:02:16.800> barrister

his own barrister

his own barrister
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turned out and said to us uh the mirror

turned out and said to us uh the mirror
newspaper

newspaper

newspaper
well<02:02:22.800> we<02:02:22.960> know<02:02:23.119> he<02:02:23.280> did<02:02:23.440> it

that is his own barrister

that is his own barrister
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that was going to defend him in one case

that was going to defend him in one case
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because the mirror outed him

because the mirror outed him
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a long time before he died and they were

a long time before he died and they were
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told to drop it because it's jimmy

told to drop it because it's jimmy
savage<02:02:37.119> you<02:02:37.199> won't<02:02:37.360> get<02:02:37.679> it<02:02:38.000> you<02:02:38.159> know<02:02:38.800> and<02:02:38.960> his

savage you won't get it you know and his

savage you won't get it you know and his
own<02:02:39.360> bows<02:02:39.679> to<02:02:39.840> turn<02:02:40.080> around<02:02:40.320> and<02:02:40.400> said

own bows to turn around and said

own bows to turn around and said
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we can't touch him we know he did it but

we can't touch him we know he did it but
we<02:02:43.520> can't<02:02:43.760> touch<02:02:44.080> him

we can't touch him

we can't touch him
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part of the reason savile got away with

part of the reason savile got away with
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it was because he was such a master

it was because he was such a master
manipulator

manipulator

manipulator
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he was a fixer of things who groomed

he was a fixer of things who groomed
whole<02:02:54.960> institutions

whole institutions

whole institutions
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worming his way in with staff from top

worming his way in with staff from top
to<02:03:00.080> bottom

to bottom

to bottom
from<02:03:01.440> managers<02:03:02.080> and<02:03:02.239> chairmen

from managers and chairmen

from managers and chairmen
to<02:03:03.679> lowly<02:03:04.159> porters

he helped people get top jobs and

he helped people get top jobs and
promotions

promotions

promotions
he<02:03:11.280> bought<02:03:11.599> staff<02:03:12.000> presents<02:03:12.400> and<02:03:12.560> allowed

he bought staff presents and allowed

he bought staff presents and allowed
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them to take holidays in his caravan

them to take holidays in his caravan
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what was arduino curry's role in all

what was arduino curry's role in all
this<02:03:18.639> oh

this oh

this oh
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funny story me and christopher had a

funny story me and christopher had a
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chat on the way up in the car and he met

chat on the way up in the car and he met
edwina<02:03:24.719> curry<02:03:25.040> on<02:03:25.119> a<02:03:25.199> couple<02:03:25.520> occasions<02:03:26.080> and

edwina curry on a couple occasions and

edwina curry on a couple occasions and
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turn around and tell me a few stories

turn around and tell me a few stories
about<02:03:28.800> her

about her

about her
um

um

um
quite<02:03:31.119> aloof

quite aloof

quite aloof
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i won't use the words but

i won't use the words but
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anyway edwina curry was in charge of

anyway edwina curry was in charge of
um

um

um
department<02:03:40.239> of<02:03:40.320> health<02:03:40.800> because<02:03:41.199> bear<02:03:41.520> in

department of health because bear in

department of health because bear in
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mind broadmoor did not have i didn't

mind broadmoor did not have i didn't
come<02:03:44.639> about

come about

come about
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a part of the nhs until 2002 it was

a part of the nhs until 2002 it was
under<02:03:48.960> the<02:03:49.119> department<02:03:49.599> health<02:03:50.079> and<02:03:50.239> dweener

under the department health and dweener

under the department health and dweener
curry

curry

curry
and<02:03:52.079> uh

and uh

and uh
in<02:03:53.679> those<02:03:54.000> years

in those years

in those years
had<02:03:56.400> encouraged

had encouraged

had encouraged
the<02:03:59.119> people<02:03:59.440> of<02:03:59.520> bournemouth<02:04:00.480> that<02:04:00.719> savile

the people of bournemouth that savile

the people of bournemouth that savile
should<02:04:01.280> be<02:04:01.360> in<02:04:01.599> charge

should be in charge

should be in charge
[Music]

[Music]

[Music]
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this is a lady who's running help

this is a lady who's running help
running<02:04:06.880> the<02:04:06.960> country

running the country

running the country
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and she's now put a lunatic inside of

and she's now put a lunatic inside of
in<02:04:10.639> charge<02:04:10.960> of<02:04:11.119> an<02:04:11.199> asylum

in charge of an asylum

in charge of an asylum
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he's got a set of gold keys

he's got a set of gold keys
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he comes and goes and has please he has

he comes and goes and has please he has
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a massive

a massive
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palatial

palatial
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caravan in the grounds

caravan in the grounds
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he gets his gold

he gets his gold
plated

plated

plated
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rolls-royce service by the mechanics

rolls-royce service by the mechanics
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there not just that

there not just that
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he's hustler

he's hustler
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mobile home it's called the hustler

mobile home it's called the hustler
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serviced at broadmoor

serviced at broadmoor
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all i never know is everyone and edwina

all i never know is everyone and edwina
curry

curry

curry
blindsided

blindsided

blindsided
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as well as fatcher blindsided by this

as well as fatcher blindsided by this
utter<02:04:47.360> lung

utter lung

utter lung
and

and

and
psychopath

psychopath

psychopath
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to run

to run
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it's it's

it's it's
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you could say you know it's another one

you could say you know it's another one
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of his sweet shops

of his sweet shops
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because that's the impression i get

because that's the impression i get
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several only use these as a sweet shops

several only use these as a sweet shops
and

and

and
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you gotta remember they hop from

you gotta remember they hop from
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baltimore then they'll pop up to

baltimore then they'll pop up to
patworth

patworth

patworth
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then they'll go over to stoke mandeville

then they'll go over to stoke mandeville
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then they go down to bristol

then they go down to bristol
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they pop up to liverpool or manchester

they pop up to liverpool or manchester
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there's 40 hospitals

there's 40 hospitals
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that this man

that this man
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had been known to tour around

had been known to tour around
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and have his way

and have his way
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savile got his way no matter what

savile got his way no matter what
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nobody dare stand in his way

nobody dare stand in his way
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at one time he was probably the most

at one time he was probably the most
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well-connected man in britain

well-connected man in britain
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having useful connections in media

having useful connections in media
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health politics and royal circles

health politics and royal circles
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people knew about his powerful

people knew about his powerful
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connections and were probably reminded

connections and were probably reminded
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about this if they challenged him

about this if they challenged him
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if he could get someone hired to the top

if he could get someone hired to the top
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job at broadmoor

job at broadmoor
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how easy would it have been to get

how easy would it have been to get
someone<02:06:08.960> sacked

someone sacked

someone sacked
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from a low position

from a low position
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he was on the government task force to

he was on the government task force to
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restructure broadmoor

restructure broadmoor
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he had the keys to the whole place

he had the keys to the whole place
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he bragged he ran the hospital he

he bragged he ran the hospital he
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bragged to police officers in 2008 that

bragged to police officers in 2008 that
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if staff weren't on side with jimmy

if staff weren't on side with jimmy
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then they were worried of him

then they were worried of him
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and would tolerate his behavior for fear

and would tolerate his behavior for fear
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of reprisals

of reprisals
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reports from health institutions in the

reports from health institutions in the
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wake of the scandal accepted the

wake of the scandal accepted the
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perceptions of his power and influence

perceptions of his power and influence
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were a powerful incentive to discourage

were a powerful incentive to discourage
complaints

complaints

complaints
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savile raised millions for stoke

savile raised millions for stoke
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mandeville hospital in buckinghamshire

mandeville hospital in buckinghamshire
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but here too stories are emerging of

but here too stories are emerging of
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nurses telling children to pretend to be

nurses telling children to pretend to be
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asleep to avoid his attentions

asleep to avoid his attentions
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the trust that runs stoke mandeville

the trust that runs stoke mandeville
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today said it was shocked by the

today said it was shocked by the
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allegations and was supporting the

allegations and was supporting the
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police investigation

police investigation
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when the reports came in there were 60

when the reports came in there were 60
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allegations of abuse at leeds general

allegations of abuse at leeds general
infirmary

infirmary

infirmary
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11 at stoke mandeville and 10 at

11 at stoke mandeville and 10 at
broadmoor

broadmoor

broadmoor
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the crimes that health institutions took

the crimes that health institutions took
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place between 1962

place between 1962
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and 2009

and 2009
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were victims aged between five

were victims aged between five
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to 75 years old

to 75 years old
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in leeds there were three cases of rape

in leeds there were three cases of rape
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surprisingly most of the offences

surprisingly most of the offences
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occurred in public places

occurred in public places
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it's simply unbelievable

it's simply unbelievable
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that all this abuse went on

that all this abuse went on
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on that scale over decades

on that scale over decades
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and no one saw a thing

and no one saw a thing
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what freedom of information acts

what freedom of information acts
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have you tried to utilize to get

have you tried to utilize to get
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information on savile and broadmoor

information on savile and broadmoor
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well we already knew the answers boris

well we already knew the answers boris
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and i

and i
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but i thought well let's give broadmoor

but i thought well let's give broadmoor
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or the nhs a fair cracker the whip

or the nhs a fair cracker the whip
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we we knew what the answers were

we we knew what the answers were
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so i sent broadmoor

so i sent broadmoor
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foi request now by law they should have

foi request now by law they should have
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responded to say they got it within 12

responded to say they got it within 12
days

days

days
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a maximum

a maximum
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got about a month or so to come back and

got about a month or so to come back and
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say we can either help you we can't help

say we can either help you we can't help
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you or there will be a fee

you or there will be a fee
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this is the fy cross this is this is

this is the fy cross this is this is
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british government law

british government law
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not a peep

not a peep
i

i

i
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we did it again

we did it again
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after two months

after two months
nothing

nothing

nothing
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i rang the hospital nobody wouldn't

i rang the hospital nobody wouldn't
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answer and eventually got hold of a

answer and eventually got hold of a
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security guard who gave me a telephone

security guard who gave me a telephone
number

number

number
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yes sir i think i've got somebody for

yes sir i think i've got somebody for
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you i spoke to this woman

you i spoke to this woman
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she said i'll pass that on to our legal

she said i'll pass that on to our legal
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advisors thank you christopher thank you

advisors thank you christopher thank you
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very much for contact we'll do

very much for contact we'll do
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everything we can to help you

everything we can to help you
nothing

nothing

nothing
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eventually i

eventually i
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on my third foi request

on my third foi request
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i i actually sent a copy to

i i actually sent a copy to
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matt hancock

matt hancock
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um the health secretary because this is

um the health secretary because this is
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this was this this refusal to answer

this was this this refusal to answer
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these things

these things
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it is under his watch

it is under his watch
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nothing but the next day

nothing but the next day
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the nhs attorneys

the nhs attorneys
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emailed me

emailed me
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oh well we're not part of the nhs as

oh well we're not part of the nhs as
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such that hospital

such that hospital
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we are it is the nhs and

we are it is the nhs and
we

we

we
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we are nhs

we are nhs
and<02:09:44.480> then<02:09:44.880> i<02:09:45.040> wrote<02:09:45.199> back<02:09:45.440> and<02:09:45.520> said<02:09:45.679> well

and then i wrote back and said well

and then i wrote back and said well
that's<02:09:46.079> legal<02:09:46.960> because

that's legal because

that's legal because
you<02:09:48.880> know

you know

you know
are<02:09:50.639> you<02:09:50.800> telling<02:09:51.119> me<02:09:51.360> that

are you telling me that

are you telling me that
broadmoor<02:09:52.960> hospital<02:09:53.440> is<02:09:53.599> not<02:09:53.840> a<02:09:54.000> public

broadmoor hospital is not a public

broadmoor hospital is not a public
institution<02:09:55.280> and<02:09:55.440> they're<02:09:55.599> not<02:09:55.840> responsible

institution and they're not responsible

institution and they're not responsible
for<02:09:57.119> the<02:09:57.840> free<02:09:58.000> transformation

for the free transformation

for the free transformation
and

and

and we already knew the answers

and we already knew the answers
so<02:10:05.119> you<02:10:05.280> see<02:10:05.520> the<02:10:05.679> cover-up

so you see the cover-up

so you see the cover-up
constantly<02:10:08.320> covering<02:10:08.719> up

constantly covering up

constantly covering up
how<02:10:10.800> many<02:10:11.119> nurses

how many nurses

how many nurses
had<02:10:12.560> told<02:10:12.880> their<02:10:13.199> managers<02:10:13.920> about<02:10:14.320> savile's

had told their managers about savile's

had told their managers about savile's
behavior

behavior

behavior
and<02:10:16.159> were<02:10:16.400> told<02:10:16.719> to<02:10:17.040> shut<02:10:17.280> up

and were told to shut up

and were told to shut up
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in the 1970s the nurse did in fact

in the 1970s the nurse did in fact
contact<02:10:22.320> thames<02:10:22.719> valley<02:10:23.040> police

contact thames valley police

contact thames valley police
to<02:10:25.040> inform<02:10:25.440> them<02:10:25.679> of<02:10:25.840> savile's<02:10:26.400> inappropriate

to inform them of savile's inappropriate

to inform them of savile's inappropriate
behaviour<02:10:27.440> at<02:10:27.520> stoke<02:10:27.840> mandeville

behaviour at stoke mandeville

behaviour at stoke mandeville
she<02:10:30.079> told<02:10:30.400> the<02:10:30.480> detective<02:10:30.960> that<02:10:31.199> staff<02:10:31.520> at<02:10:31.679> the

she told the detective that staff at the

she told the detective that staff at the
hospital<02:10:32.320> were<02:10:32.560> unhappy

hospital were unhappy

hospital were unhappy
with<02:10:34.079> savile

with savile

with savile
the<02:10:36.239> detective<02:10:36.800> then<02:10:37.040> took<02:10:37.199> the<02:10:37.360> complaint<02:10:37.760> to

the detective then took the complaint to

the detective then took the complaint to
a<02:10:38.000> senior<02:10:38.400> officer<02:10:38.800> who<02:10:38.960> brushed<02:10:39.280> it<02:10:39.440> away

a senior officer who brushed it away

a senior officer who brushed it away
jimmy<02:10:42.000> was<02:10:42.400> too<02:10:42.800> high<02:10:43.119> profile

one victim who had been assaulted

one victim who had been assaulted
recalled<02:10:58.639> trying<02:10:58.880> to<02:10:59.119> tell<02:10:59.360> a<02:10:59.520> group<02:10:59.760> of

recalled trying to tell a group of

recalled trying to tell a group of
nurses

nurses

nurses
about<02:11:02.079> being<02:11:02.400> molested<02:11:02.960> by<02:11:03.199> savile

about being molested by savile

about being molested by savile
just<02:11:05.280> moments<02:11:05.760> after<02:11:06.079> the<02:11:06.159> attack<02:11:06.560> took<02:11:06.880> place

just moments after the attack took place

just moments after the attack took place
as<02:11:08.560> soon<02:11:08.800> as<02:11:08.960> she<02:11:09.119> mentioned<02:11:09.520> his<02:11:09.760> name

as soon as she mentioned his name

as soon as she mentioned his name
the<02:11:11.360> nurses<02:11:12.000> laughed<02:11:12.560> and<02:11:12.719> walked<02:11:13.040> away

the nurses laughed and walked away

the nurses laughed and walked away
savile<02:11:15.040> acted<02:11:15.280> with<02:11:15.520> impunity<02:11:16.480> and<02:11:16.719> he<02:11:16.880> knew

savile acted with impunity and he knew

savile acted with impunity and he knew
it

it

it
but<02:11:18.639> he<02:11:18.800> was<02:11:19.280> almost

but he was almost

but he was almost
at<02:11:20.800> will<02:11:21.199> to<02:11:21.360> walk<02:11:21.679> round<02:11:22.560> and

at will to walk round and

at will to walk round and
touch

touch

touch
sexually<02:11:24.880> assault<02:11:25.599> the<02:11:26.159> females<02:11:26.639> within

sexually assault the females within

sexually assault the females within
there<02:11:27.679> with<02:11:27.920> any<02:11:28.159> reaper<02:11:28.639> without<02:11:28.960> any

there with any reaper without any

there with any reaper without any
repercussions<02:11:29.920> because<02:11:30.239> no<02:11:30.639> none<02:11:30.880> of<02:11:31.040> those

repercussions because no none of those

repercussions because no none of those
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people would ever be believed because of

people would ever be believed because of
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course they were there because they were

course they were there because they were
incarcerated<02:11:36.079> so<02:11:36.400> their<02:11:36.560> voice<02:11:37.040> was<02:11:37.280> never

incarcerated so their voice was never

incarcerated so their voice was never
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heard so savile had total free reign and

heard so savile had total free reign and
one<02:11:40.560> girl<02:11:41.199> we<02:11:41.440> interviewed<02:11:42.320> and<02:11:42.480> the<02:11:42.719> impact

one girl we interviewed and the impact

one girl we interviewed and the impact
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on her when she gave us her account

on her when she gave us her account
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had changed her life you know she

had changed her life you know she
changed<02:11:48.079> her<02:11:48.159> life<02:11:48.400> she<02:11:48.719> she<02:11:48.960> gave<02:11:49.199> one

changed her life she she gave one

changed her life she she gave one
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account when she was quite young she

account when she was quite young she
went<02:11:51.920> there<02:11:52.079> i<02:11:52.239> think<02:11:52.480> about

went there i think about

went there i think about
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19 something like that and she gave us

19 something like that and she gave us
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an account when she was on her period

an account when she was on her period
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and she she didn't really know what she

and she she didn't really know what she
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was doing it was quite an early she was

was doing it was quite an early she was
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in a very distressed date and savile

in a very distressed date and savile
just<02:12:04.960> stood<02:12:05.199> there<02:12:05.440> watched<02:12:05.920> her

just stood there watched her

just stood there watched her
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and then later they indecently assaulted

and then later they indecently assaulted
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her and he's and the way she gave us the

her and he's and the way she gave us the
account<02:12:10.480> was<02:12:10.719> just<02:12:10.880> like

account was just like

account was just like
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there was no sense of of care in any way

there was no sense of of care in any way
at<02:12:15.679> all<02:12:15.920> he<02:12:16.159> literally

at all he literally

at all he literally
didn't<02:12:17.840> care

and in terms of

and in terms of
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access to mortuaries now we do know that

access to mortuaries now we do know that
he

he

he
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spent a lot of time or quite a bit of

spent a lot of time or quite a bit of
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time particularly in the hospital in

time particularly in the hospital in
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leeds i think it was being a a porter he

leeds i think it was being a a porter he
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would go in at weekends evenings and he

would go in at weekends evenings and he
would<02:12:36.639> take<02:12:36.800> patients<02:12:37.280> down<02:12:37.520> to<02:12:37.599> the<02:12:37.760> mortuary

would take patients down to the mortuary

would take patients down to the mortuary
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did that give him access to the mortuary

did that give him access to the mortuary
to<02:12:40.480> victims<02:12:41.040> yes<02:12:41.360> it<02:12:41.440> did

to victims yes it did

to victims yes it did
there<02:12:42.639> is<02:12:42.800> no<02:12:43.119> evidence

there is no evidence

there is no evidence
actual<02:12:45.040> evidence<02:12:45.440> that<02:12:45.679> exists<02:12:46.560> other<02:12:46.880> than

actual evidence that exists other than

actual evidence that exists other than
anecdotal<02:12:47.920> evidence<02:12:48.800> that<02:12:48.960> he<02:12:49.280> sexually

anecdotal evidence that he sexually

anecdotal evidence that he sexually
abused<02:12:50.239> anybody<02:12:50.719> that<02:12:50.880> was<02:12:51.040> dead<02:12:51.760> so

abused anybody that was dead so

abused anybody that was dead so
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my focus in terms of savile is about

my focus in terms of savile is about
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evidence so if you tell me something

evidence so if you tell me something
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until such time as i have that

until such time as i have that
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referenced by somebody else or i can

referenced by somebody else or i can
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validate it by somebody else telling me

validate it by somebody else telling me
either<02:13:05.360> not<02:13:05.760> connected<02:13:06.159> or<02:13:06.239> because<02:13:06.800> the

either not connected or because the

either not connected or because the
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times link up and everything like that

times link up and everything like that
then

then

then
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what you're telling me is information

what you're telling me is information
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but it's not intelligence it's not

but it's not intelligence it's not
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something of evidential value so in

something of evidential value so in
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terms of that what i would say is that i

terms of that what i would say is that i
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saw nothing that supported

saw nothing that supported
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the accounts and they were limited that

the accounts and they were limited that
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he had had sex with

he had had sex with
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dead people and i'm not quite sure why

dead people and i'm not quite sure why
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he would because he spent so much time

he would because he spent so much time
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wanting to have sex with people who were

wanting to have sex with people who were
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or sexual contact with people who are

or sexual contact with people who are
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alive i'm not quite sure why i'd want to

alive i'm not quite sure why i'd want to
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do it with anyone's dead that's a very

do it with anyone's dead that's a very
different<02:13:38.960> type<02:13:39.199> of<02:13:39.360> offending<02:13:39.760> behavior

different type of offending behavior

different type of offending behavior
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how rare are necrophiliacs and what

how rare are necrophiliacs and what
would<02:13:44.400> have<02:13:44.639> shaped

would have shaped

would have shaped
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savile into that kind of behavior would

savile into that kind of behavior would
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it be a big bomb of something wrong with

it be a big bomb of something wrong with
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his brain or would have been factors

his brain or would have been factors
that<02:13:51.599> happened<02:13:51.840> throughout<02:13:52.159> his<02:13:52.400> life

that happened throughout his life

that happened throughout his life
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i think boris summed it all up uh in a

i think boris summed it all up uh in a
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very matter-of-fact sort of way he's not

very matter-of-fact sort of way he's not
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a professor he's you know he's a

a professor he's you know he's a
londoner<02:14:01.199> uh<02:14:01.840> and<02:14:02.159> he<02:14:02.400> he<02:14:02.639> said<02:14:02.880> it<02:14:03.040> as<02:14:03.199> it<02:14:03.440> is

londoner uh and he he said it as it is

londoner uh and he he said it as it is
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and uh with uh necrophilia

and uh with uh necrophilia
uh<02:14:06.560> basically

uh basically

uh basically
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a a p especially a pedophile

a a p especially a pedophile
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uh he's got a young child or a a woman a

uh he's got a young child or a a woman a
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young woman or a man in case of dharma

young woman or a man in case of dharma
is<02:14:20.079> helpless

is helpless

is helpless
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it's completely un

it's completely un
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and now we've got to remember that

and now we've got to remember that
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uh savile was a control freak he was an

uh savile was a control freak he was an
extreme<02:14:28.960> narcissist

extreme narcissist

extreme narcissist
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he was a controversy he's a sexual

he was a controversy he's a sexual
predator

predator

predator
and<02:14:34.480> so

and so

and so
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if he thought a young girl's laying on a

if he thought a young girl's laying on a
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mortuary slab was a woman on a mortary

mortuary slab was a woman on a mortary
slab

slab

slab
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it's like again as boris said a sweet

it's like again as boris said a sweet
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shop the mortres became sweet shops for

shop the mortres became sweet shops for
him

him

him
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it was known to have access to corpses

it was known to have access to corpses
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it is known that he had

it is known that he had
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um necrophilia you know i mean he did

um necrophilia you know i mean he did
double<02:14:57.599> on<02:14:57.679> that

double on that

double on that
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this is the allegations of the

this is the allegations of the
necrophilia<02:15:00.239> going<02:15:00.560> back

necrophilia going back

necrophilia going back
to<02:15:01.520> the<02:15:01.679> leeds<02:15:01.920> general<02:15:02.159> hospital<02:15:02.800> period

to the leeds general hospital period

to the leeds general hospital period
yeah

yeah

yeah
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yeah it's not just leeds there are many

yeah it's not just leeds there are many
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other hospitals at a later date but

other hospitals at a later date but
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leads general seems to be around him and

leads general seems to be around him and
frankie<02:15:10.480> had<02:15:10.560> a<02:15:10.639> very<02:15:10.800> good<02:15:11.040> partnership

frankie had a very good partnership

frankie had a very good partnership
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um which will come to light later on but

um which will come to light later on but
um

um

um
frankie<02:15:16.639> is<02:15:16.800> another

frankie is another

frankie is another
influence<02:15:18.079> in<02:15:18.239> his<02:15:18.400> life

what do you think

what do you think
made<02:15:22.960> him

made him

made him
have<02:15:24.159> this<02:15:24.400> fetish<02:15:24.800> for<02:15:25.040> corpses

i'm no expert yeah

i'm no expert yeah
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i could not tell you that i mean it's um

i could not tell you that i mean it's um
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is it a power trip

is it a power trip
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you know somebody's dead they're on a

you know somebody's dead they're on a
slab

slab

slab
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you know i mean it's i don't know if

you know i mean it's i don't know if
christopher<02:15:40.239> could<02:15:40.400> describe<02:15:41.040> it<02:15:41.199> if

you know if someone was

you know if someone was
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i'm here you're not i'm going to take

i'm here you're not i'm going to take
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you know i mean maintenance i can't

you know i mean maintenance i can't
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understand what made him go through that

understand what made him go through that
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phase of life for

phase of life for
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to me to today or that i wouldn't be

to me to today or that i wouldn't be
able<02:15:56.480> to<02:15:56.560> work<02:15:56.800> it<02:15:56.880> out

able to work it out

able to work it out
it's<02:15:58.880> beyond<02:15:59.199> people's<02:15:59.520> comprehension<02:16:00.079> isn't

it's beyond people's comprehension isn't

it's beyond people's comprehension isn't
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it because it's so bizarre

it because it's so bizarre
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now i've interviewed over 30 of the

now i've interviewed over 30 of the
worst<02:16:04.480> serial<02:16:04.800> killers<02:16:05.199> in<02:16:05.360> the<02:16:05.520> world

worst serial killers in the world

worst serial killers in the world
the<02:16:06.719> very<02:16:07.119> worst

the very worst

the very worst
cannibals<02:16:09.760> necrophiliacs

cannibals necrophiliacs

cannibals necrophiliacs
the<02:16:12.880> worst

the worst

the worst
in<02:16:14.320> prisons<02:16:15.199> around<02:16:15.599> the<02:16:15.679> world

in prisons around the world

in prisons around the world
and

and

and
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when we know that jimmy savile was going

when we know that jimmy savile was going
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into the mortuaries and hospitals

into the mortuaries and hospitals
shutting<02:16:26.480> the<02:16:26.639> door

shutting the door

shutting the door
dimming<02:16:28.320> the<02:16:28.480> lights

dimming the lights

dimming the lights
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pulling the corpse out of a cupboard

pulling the corpse out of a cupboard
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laying on a slab

laying on a slab
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and having sex with it

and having sex with it
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you're in the realms of jeffrey dahmer

you're in the realms of jeffrey dahmer
douglas<02:16:42.319> clark<02:16:42.639> the<02:16:42.719> sunset<02:16:43.200> slower<02:16:43.679> i've

douglas clark the sunset slower i've

douglas clark the sunset slower i've
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interviewed who wanted to open up a

interviewed who wanted to open up a
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mortar and have sex

mortar and have sex
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with the dead with a girl that was

with the dead with a girl that was
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at one time dating kenneth bianchi the

at one time dating kenneth bianchi the
hillside<02:16:53.679> strangler<02:16:54.800> you've<02:16:55.040> got<02:16:55.200> dennis

hillside strangler you've got dennis

hillside strangler you've got dennis
nielsen

nielsen

nielsen
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the london gay guy that was killing and

the london gay guy that was killing and
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having sex with dead bodies

having sex with dead bodies
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if you had a stephen king horror movie

if you had a stephen king horror movie
even<02:17:07.040> he

even he

even he
could<02:17:08.160> not

could not

could not
imagine

imagine

imagine
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this long blonde head

this long blonde head
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man gloating his eyes coming out on

man gloating his eyes coming out on
stalks<02:17:16.719> smoking<02:17:17.280> a<02:17:17.359> big<02:17:17.679> fat<02:17:18.000> cigar

stalks smoking a big fat cigar

stalks smoking a big fat cigar
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sidling into a mortuary and playing with

sidling into a mortuary and playing with
dead<02:17:21.599> children

in one hospital great ormond street a

in one hospital great ormond street a
dying<02:17:28.399> child<02:17:28.880> was<02:17:29.120> touched<02:17:29.439> inappropriately

dying child was touched inappropriately

dying child was touched inappropriately
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what do you think about jimmy savile

what do you think about jimmy savile
being<02:17:38.639> given<02:17:39.200> access<02:17:39.599> to<02:17:39.760> broadmoor<02:17:40.559> yeah

being given access to broadmoor yeah

being given access to broadmoor yeah
that's<02:17:41.760> just<02:17:42.080> insane<02:17:42.639> absolutely<02:17:42.960> blows<02:17:43.200> my

that's just insane absolutely blows my

that's just insane absolutely blows my
mind

mind

mind
because<02:17:44.719> uh

because uh

because uh
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now well and in the recent past in the

now well and in the recent past in the
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last five ten years the security of

last five ten years the security of
broadmoor<02:17:51.679> is<02:17:51.840> really<02:17:52.080> high<02:17:52.399> so<02:17:53.040> every<02:17:53.359> time<02:17:53.679> i

broadmoor is really high so every time i

broadmoor is really high so every time i
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went in as a even the regular members of

went in as a even the regular members of
staff<02:17:56.240> even<02:17:56.399> the

staff even the

staff even the
consultant<02:17:57.840> psychiatrists<02:17:58.319> who<02:17:58.399> were<02:17:58.559> there

consultant psychiatrists who were there

consultant psychiatrists who were there
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every day they had to go through an

every day they had to go through an
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airport level of security to get in and

airport level of security to get in and
get<02:18:02.319> out<02:18:02.559> every<02:18:02.719> time

get out every time

get out every time
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um and there's really lengthy background

um and there's really lengthy background
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checks it's not too similar to working

checks it's not too similar to working
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in a prison so you know once you apply

in a prison so you know once you apply
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for your job and you get the job there's

for your job and you get the job there's
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another at least four or five months of

another at least four or five months of
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them doing security vetting so that's

them doing security vetting so that's
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what happens now for staff to get into

what happens now for staff to get into
broadmoor<02:18:17.200> so<02:18:17.840> taking<02:18:18.080> that<02:18:18.240> into<02:18:18.399> context

broadmoor so taking that into context

broadmoor so taking that into context
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somebody who's not even a staff member

somebody who's not even a staff member
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to be given his own keys he's a

to be given his own keys he's a
celebrity<02:18:23.120> i<02:18:23.439> just<02:18:24.000> i

celebrity i just i

celebrity i just i
can't<02:18:24.880> understand<02:18:25.280> it<02:18:25.359> cannot<02:18:25.679> fathom

14 crimes were recorded across 28 police

14 crimes were recorded across 28 police
forces<02:18:34.719> offenses<02:18:35.280> occurred<02:18:36.000> in<02:18:36.319> 13<02:18:37.040> hospitals

forces offenses occurred in 13 hospitals

forces offenses occurred in 13 hospitals
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including a hospice here we have a very

including a hospice here we have a very
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special unique unit patient in bed and

special unique unit patient in bed and
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for every figure a very personal trauma

for every figure a very personal trauma
for<02:18:46.479> every<02:18:46.800> figure<02:18:47.519> someone<02:18:48.080> asking<02:18:48.719> why

for every figure someone asking why

for every figure someone asking why
caroline<02:18:50.559> moore<02:18:50.800> was<02:18:50.960> molested<02:18:51.519> by<02:18:51.760> savile<02:18:52.160> at

caroline moore was molested by savile at

caroline moore was molested by savile at
stoke<02:18:52.559> mandeville<02:18:53.120> hospital<02:18:54.000> when<02:18:54.240> she<02:18:54.399> was

stoke mandeville hospital when she was

stoke mandeville hospital when she was
13.

13.

13.
why<02:18:56.240> were<02:18:56.399> they<02:18:56.559> missed<02:18:56.880> opportunities<02:18:57.679> why

why were they missed opportunities why

why were they missed opportunities why
was<02:18:58.240> the<02:18:58.399> man<02:18:58.719> not<02:18:58.960> prosecuted

was the man not prosecuted

was the man not prosecuted
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why did these people not do their job

why did these people not do their job
properly

properly

properly
why<02:19:03.920> when<02:19:04.160> they<02:19:04.399> were

why when they were

why when they were
even<02:19:06.080> hints<02:19:06.639> of<02:19:07.200> um

even hints of um

even hints of um
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maybes

maybes

maybes
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that maybe jimmy savile was doing this

that maybe jimmy savile was doing this
or<02:19:12.880> maybe<02:19:13.200> jimmy<02:19:13.599> sabal<02:19:14.000> was<02:19:14.160> doing<02:19:14.399> that

or maybe jimmy sabal was doing that

or maybe jimmy sabal was doing that
why

why

why
was<02:19:16.639> this<02:19:16.880> not<02:19:17.040> looked<02:19:17.359> into<02:19:17.760> thoroughly

was this not looked into thoroughly

was this not looked into thoroughly
there<02:19:18.880> and<02:19:19.040> then<02:19:19.920> clearly<02:19:20.559> the<02:19:20.800> the<02:19:20.960> obvious

there and then clearly the the obvious

there and then clearly the the obvious
conclusion<02:19:22.559> is<02:19:22.719> that<02:19:23.040> people<02:19:23.679> must<02:19:24.399> have<02:19:24.639> been

conclusion is that people must have been

conclusion is that people must have been
aware

aware

aware
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in<02:19:31.439> 1994<02:19:32.479> two<02:19:32.719> former<02:19:33.040> duncroft<02:19:33.599> girls<02:19:34.000> went

in 1994 two former duncroft girls went

in 1994 two former duncroft girls went
to<02:19:34.319> the<02:19:34.479> sunday<02:19:34.800> mirror

to the sunday mirror

to the sunday mirror
to<02:19:36.000> give<02:19:36.160> their<02:19:36.399> account<02:19:36.719> of<02:19:36.800> being<02:19:37.040> assaulted

to give their account of being assaulted

to give their account of being assaulted
by<02:19:37.679> savile<02:19:38.000> in<02:19:38.080> the<02:19:38.240> seventies

by savile in the seventies

by savile in the seventies
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the paper decided not to pursue the

the paper decided not to pursue the
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fourteen years later former pupils from

fourteen years later former pupils from
the<02:19:48.479> approved<02:19:48.800> school<02:19:49.120> gave<02:19:49.359> testimonies

the approved school gave testimonies

the approved school gave testimonies
that<02:19:50.080> led<02:19:50.240> to<02:19:50.399> the<02:19:50.479> first<02:19:50.880> exposure<02:19:51.439> of

that led to the first exposure of

that led to the first exposure of
savile's<02:19:52.000> dark<02:19:52.399> side

one former dunkroft girl

one former dunkroft girl
speaking<02:19:58.319> in<02:19:58.399> the<02:19:58.479> aftermath<02:19:59.120> of<02:19:59.200> savile's

speaking in the aftermath of savile's

speaking in the aftermath of savile's
exposure<02:20:00.319> explained

exposure explained

exposure explained
he<02:20:02.880> did<02:20:03.120> it<02:20:03.280> in<02:20:03.359> such<02:20:03.680> a<02:20:03.760> way<02:20:04.560> that<02:20:04.800> he<02:20:04.880> could

he did it in such a way that he could

he did it in such a way that he could
always<02:20:05.760> cover<02:20:06.319> himself

always cover himself

always cover himself
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you knew it was your word against his

you knew it was your word against his
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and your word would never be believed

and your word would never be believed
he<02:20:13.120> manipulated<02:20:13.920> situations

he manipulated situations

he manipulated situations
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we were vulnerable and in need of love

we were vulnerable and in need of love
and<02:20:18.319> attention

and attention

and attention
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so for the people watching that then

so for the people watching that then
doncroft<02:20:22.240> schoolgirls<02:20:22.960> was<02:20:23.280> uh

doncroft schoolgirls was uh

doncroft schoolgirls was uh
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it was in surrey in this county wasn't

it was in surrey in this county wasn't
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it and what what kind of girls ended up

it and what what kind of girls ended up
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there and what happened to the runaways

there and what happened to the runaways
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the type of girls that ended up there

the type of girls that ended up there
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will be the ones that ended up in court

will be the ones that ended up in court
with<02:20:36.800> orders<02:20:37.280> you<02:20:37.439> know<02:20:37.600> we're<02:20:37.760> taking<02:20:38.160> away

with orders you know we're taking away

with orders you know we're taking away
from<02:20:38.479> your<02:20:38.640> parents<02:20:39.359> you're<02:20:39.520> not<02:20:39.680> going<02:20:39.920> to

from your parents you're not going to

from your parents you're not going to
school

school

school
you<02:20:41.120> know<02:20:41.439> bunking<02:20:41.920> your

you know bunking your

you know bunking your
your<02:20:43.280> shoplifting<02:20:43.920> you're<02:20:44.080> doing<02:20:44.319> whatever

your shoplifting you're doing whatever

your shoplifting you're doing whatever
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so this was what i'd say is the

so this was what i'd say is the
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equivalent of a male approved school

equivalent of a male approved school
they<02:20:51.280> were<02:20:51.520> placed<02:20:51.760> there<02:20:51.920> for<02:20:52.080> a<02:20:52.240> reason

they were placed there for a reason

they were placed there for a reason
for<02:20:53.680> education

for education

for education
um<02:20:56.319> jimmy<02:20:56.880> and<02:20:57.040> his<02:20:57.280> brother<02:20:57.920> john

um jimmy and his brother john

um jimmy and his brother john
um

claimed that girls were sending jimmy

claimed that girls were sending jimmy
letters

letters

letters
fan<02:21:06.240> letters<02:21:06.720> this<02:21:07.040> is<02:21:07.200> what<02:21:07.439> seems

fan letters this is what seems

fan letters this is what seems
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to be some sort of rules that he used

to be some sort of rules that he used
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so he wrote to the headmistress at the

so he wrote to the headmistress at the
time

time

time
said<02:21:13.520> to<02:21:13.680> although<02:21:13.920> i'm<02:21:14.080> getting<02:21:14.399> letters

said to although i'm getting letters

said to although i'm getting letters
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from girls would you like me to come and

from girls would you like me to come and
visit

visit

visit
that<02:21:17.760> was<02:21:17.920> he's<02:21:18.160> in

then he's in the situation of he's got a

then he's in the situation of he's got a
sweet<02:21:23.280> shop<02:21:23.439> to<02:21:23.600> play

sweet shop to play

sweet shop to play
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this is i'll put it bluntly this is what

this is i'll put it bluntly this is what
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you know it is to jimmy it's a sweet

you know it is to jimmy it's a sweet
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shop i've got all this to play with

shop i've got all this to play with
it<02:21:32.960> was<02:21:33.120> until<02:21:33.600> later

it was until later

it was until later
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around about 2011 that two of them

around about 2011 that two of them
actually<02:21:37.040> come<02:21:37.280> forward

actually come forward

actually come forward
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and claimed that he raped him

and claimed that he raped him
his<02:21:42.240> brother<02:21:42.560> did<02:21:42.800> as<02:21:42.880> well

his brother did as well

his brother did as well
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so there was about seven or eight cases

so there was about seven or eight cases
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but every time it was brushed under the

but every time it was brushed under the
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carpet because you bear in mind you've

carpet because you bear in mind you've
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got someone at an approved school that's

got someone at an approved school that's
gone<02:21:51.200> out<02:21:51.520> and<02:21:51.600> committed<02:21:52.080> theft

gone out and committed theft

gone out and committed theft
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then you've got jimmy who's a

then you've got jimmy who's a
public<02:21:56.160> figure<02:21:56.960> spins<02:21:57.520> records<02:21:58.000> for<02:21:58.160> a<02:21:58.240> living

public figure spins records for a living

public figure spins records for a living
fontelli

fontelli

fontelli
who<02:22:01.280> you're<02:22:01.439> going<02:22:01.520> to<02:22:01.600> believe

who you're going to believe

who you're going to believe
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are you going to believe someone is in

are you going to believe someone is in
the<02:22:04.880> wrong

the wrong

the wrong
or<02:22:06.399> you're<02:22:06.479> going<02:22:06.640> to<02:22:06.720> believe

or you're going to believe

or you're going to believe
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jimmy who's who's buttered up to be some

jimmy who's who's buttered up to be some
kind<02:22:10.640> of<02:22:10.720> demigod

in the 1970s savile was a regular

in the 1970s savile was a regular
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visitor to hort de la garen in jersey

visitor to hort de la garen in jersey
six<02:22:22.720> weeks<02:22:23.040> ago<02:22:23.439> police<02:22:23.920> in<02:22:24.160> jersey<02:22:24.720> started

six weeks ago police in jersey started

six weeks ago police in jersey started
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the grimace of work digging up the

the grimace of work digging up the
cellars<02:22:27.840> in<02:22:28.000> a<02:22:28.160> children's<02:22:28.640> home<02:22:29.280> it<02:22:29.439> was<02:22:29.600> in

cellars in a children's home it was in

cellars in a children's home it was in
response<02:22:30.240> to<02:22:30.479> accounts<02:22:31.040> by<02:22:31.280> former<02:22:31.680> residents

response to accounts by former residents

response to accounts by former residents
that<02:22:32.560> they've<02:22:32.720> been<02:22:32.960> locked<02:22:33.359> up<02:22:33.680> mistreated

that they've been locked up mistreated

that they've been locked up mistreated
and<02:22:34.640> abused<02:22:35.200> there<02:22:35.760> jerseys<02:22:36.160> police<02:22:36.640> admit

and abused there jerseys police admit

and abused there jerseys police admit
victims<02:22:37.439> of<02:22:37.600> sexual<02:22:38.080> abuse<02:22:38.479> at<02:22:38.560> this<02:22:38.800> former

victims of sexual abuse at this former

victims of sexual abuse at this former
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children's home have been trying to get

children's home have been trying to get
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authorities to listen to them for years

authorities to listen to them for years
the<02:22:44.240> lead<02:22:44.479> investigator<02:22:45.280> leni<02:22:45.680> harper<02:22:46.160> says

the lead investigator leni harper says

the lead investigator leni harper says
the<02:22:46.560> evidence<02:22:47.040> of<02:22:47.120> their<02:22:47.359> suffering<02:22:48.080> is

the evidence of their suffering is

the evidence of their suffering is
beyond<02:22:48.640> doubt

beyond doubt

beyond doubt
there<02:22:50.000> are<02:22:50.160> allegations<02:22:51.120> of

there are allegations of

there are allegations of
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cur home kids getting pimped out from

cur home kids getting pimped out from
that<02:22:55.520> era

that era

that era
do<02:22:57.359> you<02:22:57.520> have<02:22:57.760> any<02:22:57.920> information<02:22:58.399> about<02:22:58.720> savile

do you have any information about savile

do you have any information about savile
being<02:23:00.240> a<02:23:00.560> participant<02:23:01.200> in<02:23:01.359> that

being a participant in that

being a participant in that
chavo

chavo

chavo
savile<02:23:05.040> was<02:23:05.760> what<02:23:05.920> i'll<02:23:06.160> call<02:23:06.319> the<02:23:06.479> kingpin<02:23:07.040> he

savile was what i'll call the kingpin he

savile was what i'll call the kingpin he
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was the person that would be sitting at

was the person that would be sitting at
the<02:23:08.880> top<02:23:09.200> and

the top and

the top and
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and i wanted a boy so let's go to savile

and i wanted a boy so let's go to savile
he<02:23:13.600> can<02:23:13.840> supply

he can supply

he can supply
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um a boy of whatever age or eight girl

um a boy of whatever age or eight girl
or<02:23:18.000> whatever<02:23:18.479> age

or whatever age

or whatever age
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and it was known and it is known um that

and it was known and it is known um that
savile

savile

savile
uh<02:23:24.160> pimped<02:23:24.560> out<02:23:25.040> youngsters

uh pimped out youngsters

uh pimped out youngsters
um

um

um
he<02:23:28.800> um

he um

he um
i<02:23:30.000> mean<02:23:30.240> well<02:23:30.399> you've<02:23:30.560> gotta<02:23:31.120> take<02:23:31.280> into

i mean well you've gotta take into

i mean well you've gotta take into
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account as well is if you're a young lad

account as well is if you're a young lad
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or a young girl when you see jimmy

or a young girl when you see jimmy
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savile oh he's famous here's my route to

savile oh he's famous here's my route to
fame

fame

fame
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okay they can promise you the world and

okay they can promise you the world and
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all the rest of it and all of a sudden

all the rest of it and all of a sudden
they're<02:23:41.520> around<02:23:41.760> the<02:23:41.840> back<02:23:42.080> butt<02:23:42.319> raping<02:23:42.800> you

they're around the back butt raping you

they're around the back butt raping you
know<02:23:43.240> me<02:23:44.319> um

know me um

know me um
yeah<02:23:47.600> he<02:23:47.680> was<02:23:47.840> prolific

yeah he was prolific

yeah he was prolific
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so david i many years ago said that

so david i many years ago said that
savile<02:23:52.880> got<02:23:53.040> away<02:23:53.280> with<02:23:53.439> his<02:23:53.520> crimes<02:23:53.920> and<02:23:54.000> had

savile got away with his crimes and had

savile got away with his crimes and had
access<02:23:54.479> to<02:23:54.640> such<02:23:54.960> powerful

access to such powerful

access to such powerful
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people and royal people because he was a

people and royal people because he was a
procurer<02:23:58.960> so<02:23:59.200> that<02:23:59.439> that<02:23:59.680> ties<02:24:00.000> into<02:24:00.240> exactly

procurer so that that ties into exactly

procurer so that that ties into exactly
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what you just said you think that david

what you just said you think that david
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was correct and that's yeah i think

was correct and that's yeah i think
david<02:24:04.240> i<02:24:04.399> mean<02:24:04.640> i'm<02:24:04.880> i'm<02:24:05.040> not<02:24:05.359> gonna<02:24:05.680> i'll<02:24:05.840> be

david i mean i'm i'm not gonna i'll be

david i mean i'm i'm not gonna i'll be
honest<02:24:06.160> i'm<02:24:06.240> sorry<02:24:06.399> i'm<02:24:06.479> not<02:24:06.560> a<02:24:06.640> lover<02:24:06.880> of

honest i'm sorry i'm not a lover of

honest i'm sorry i'm not a lover of
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david quite like some things he says are

david quite like some things he says are
right<02:24:09.280> some<02:24:09.439> things<02:24:09.680> i<02:24:09.840> potentially<02:24:10.479> disagree

right some things i potentially disagree

right some things i potentially disagree
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with but this time he's spot on

with but this time he's spot on
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was several unique case or were there

was several unique case or were there
many<02:24:16.319> sexual<02:24:16.720> predators<02:24:17.680> targeting<02:24:18.160> the<02:24:18.319> curt

many sexual predators targeting the curt

many sexual predators targeting the curt
homes<02:24:18.880> back<02:24:19.120> then

homes back then

homes back then
oh<02:24:20.960> there<02:24:21.120> were<02:24:21.359> there<02:24:21.520> were

oh there were there were

oh there were there were
there<02:24:22.640> was<02:24:22.880> a<02:24:23.120> whole<02:24:23.840> uh

there was a whole uh

there was a whole uh
host<02:24:25.040> of<02:24:25.120> people<02:24:25.439> who<02:24:25.680> i<02:24:25.760> mean<02:24:25.920> that

host of people who i mean that

host of people who i mean that
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you know i think that several hundred

you know i think that several hundred
predators<02:24:29.600> have<02:24:29.840> been<02:24:30.319> actually<02:24:30.960> uh<02:24:31.280> jailed

predators have been actually uh jailed

predators have been actually uh jailed
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and god knows how many others there were

and god knows how many others there were
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so i mean it was it was it was

so i mean it was it was it was
it<02:24:37.280> was<02:24:37.680> widespread<02:24:38.880> um

it was widespread um

it was widespread um
there<02:24:40.880> are<02:24:41.040> some<02:24:41.280> links<02:24:41.520> between<02:24:41.920> some<02:24:42.160> of

there are some links between some of

there are some links between some of
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them but as i suggest i don't think it's

them but as i suggest i don't think it's
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all about pedophile rings i think it's

all about pedophile rings i think it's
more<02:24:46.399> about<02:24:46.800> kind<02:24:46.960> of<02:24:47.600> uh<02:24:47.920> individuals

more about kind of uh individuals

more about kind of uh individuals
targeting

targeting

targeting
these<02:24:50.160> homes<02:24:50.640> and<02:24:50.960> then

these homes and then

these homes and then
uh

uh

uh
and<02:24:53.040> then<02:24:53.280> maybe<02:24:53.600> linking<02:24:54.000> up<02:24:54.399> sometimes<02:24:55.280> um

and then maybe linking up sometimes um

and then maybe linking up sometimes um
uh<02:24:56.240> with<02:24:56.479> each<02:24:56.640> other<02:24:57.280> it<02:24:57.439> was<02:24:57.840> difficult

uh with each other it was difficult

uh with each other it was difficult
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uh to find institutions that hadn't had

uh to find institutions that hadn't had
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some sort of record of of uh

some sort of record of of uh
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abuse you know that the more you you you

abuse you know that the more you you you
found<02:25:09.040> them<02:25:09.280> all<02:25:09.760> uh

found them all uh

found them all uh
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there were cases that that would come i

there were cases that that would come i
mean<02:25:14.319> i've<02:25:14.560> certainly<02:25:14.880> the<02:25:14.960> police

mean i've certainly the police

mean i've certainly the police
investigations<02:25:16.080> that

investigations that

investigations that
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i list in my book um you know resulted

i list in my book um you know resulted
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in lots and lots of prosecutions and

in lots and lots of prosecutions and
lots<02:25:22.080> of<02:25:22.160> those<02:25:22.319> were<02:25:22.479> successful<02:25:22.960> of<02:25:23.040> course

lots of those were successful of course

lots of those were successful of course
sometimes<02:25:24.000> you<02:25:24.080> just<02:25:24.240> couldn't<02:25:24.880> get<02:25:25.520> the

sometimes you just couldn't get the

sometimes you just couldn't get the
prosecutions

prosecutions

prosecutions
to<02:25:27.920> be<02:25:28.080> successful<02:25:28.720> you<02:25:28.880> didn't<02:25:29.040> have<02:25:29.200> enough

to be successful you didn't have enough

to be successful you didn't have enough
evidence<02:25:29.920> or<02:25:30.000> whatever<02:25:30.479> but<02:25:30.720> they<02:25:30.960> did

evidence or whatever but they did

evidence or whatever but they did
prosecute<02:25:31.760> a<02:25:31.840> lot<02:25:32.000> of<02:25:32.160> people

prosecute a lot of people

prosecute a lot of people
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so in the 1970s if a child reported

so in the 1970s if a child reported
abuse

abuse

abuse
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could you give us a step-by-step account

could you give us a step-by-step account
of<02:25:39.439> what<02:25:39.600> would<02:25:39.760> happen<02:25:40.160> next

of what would happen next

of what would happen next
well

well

well
the<02:25:42.240> problem

the problem

the problem
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with that is who would they report it to

with that is who would they report it to
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um and who would be likely to to believe

um and who would be likely to to believe
them

them

them
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um and i do think that it would have

um and i do think that it would have
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been very difficult for a 14 year old

been very difficult for a 14 year old
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child in a children's home to walk into

child in a children's home to walk into
a<02:25:58.800> police<02:25:59.200> station<02:25:59.760> and<02:26:00.000> say

a police station and say

a police station and say
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that you know so and so has abused me

that you know so and so has abused me
i<02:26:04.800> just<02:26:05.200> think<02:26:05.520> that

i just think that

i just think that
uh

uh

uh
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they would have said uh yes laddie

they would have said uh yes laddie
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uh that's all very well but um it's your

uh that's all very well but um it's your
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word against his and um you know be a

word against his and um you know be a
good<02:26:17.840> lad<02:26:18.160> and

good lad and

good lad and
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um uh uh go back home you know

um uh uh go back home you know
i<02:26:22.560> think<02:26:22.800> it's<02:26:23.040> interesting<02:26:23.600> that<02:26:24.240> almost

i think it's interesting that almost

i think it's interesting that almost
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whatever institution you name this sort

whatever institution you name this sort
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of stuff went on whether it's sports

of stuff went on whether it's sports
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whether it's uh you know various other

whether it's uh you know various other
leisure<02:26:31.200> you<02:26:31.280> know

leisure you know

leisure you know
scouts<02:26:32.640> or<02:26:32.960> whatever

scouts or whatever

scouts or whatever
whether<02:26:34.880> it's

whether it's

whether it's
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children's homes uh whether it's kind of

children's homes uh whether it's kind of
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schools uh you know boarding schools you

schools uh you know boarding schools you
know

know

know
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all these institutions kind of

all these institutions kind of
have<02:26:46.000> had

have had

have had
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you know we could spend all day talking

you know we could spend all day talking
about<02:26:49.600> stories<02:26:49.920> from<02:26:50.160> all<02:26:50.319> those

about stories from all those

about stories from all those
institutions

institutions

institutions
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so my general savvy story is this

so my general savvy story is this
he

he

he
used<02:27:03.600> to<02:27:03.680> come<02:27:03.840> to<02:27:04.000> children's<02:27:04.479> homes<02:27:05.120> and

used to come to children's homes and

used to come to children's homes and
give<02:27:05.439> children's<02:27:05.840> homes<02:27:06.240> gifts<02:27:06.960> yeah

give children's homes gifts yeah

give children's homes gifts yeah
yeah<02:27:08.240> yeah

yeah yeah

yeah yeah
so<02:27:09.439> so

so so

so so
it's<02:27:11.520> 19<02:27:12.240> it's<02:27:12.560> 19

65

65
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yeah yeah yeah yeah my mom's at a

yeah yeah yeah yeah my mom's at a
breakdown<02:27:20.240> we've<02:27:20.399> gone<02:27:20.560> into<02:27:20.800> care

breakdown we've gone into care

breakdown we've gone into care
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we've ended up uh i i i didn't remember

we've ended up uh i i i didn't remember
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i only remember when i got the the

i only remember when i got the the
subject<02:27:27.200> access<02:27:27.680> report<02:27:28.399> yeah<02:27:28.880> that<02:27:29.040> it

subject access report yeah that it

subject access report yeah that it
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turned out to be wootonville children's

turned out to be wootonville children's
child<02:27:32.080> assessment<02:27:32.560> center

in 1980 in the 80s

in 1980 in the 80s
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it was closed down as part of operation

it was closed down as part of operation
care

care

care
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operation care was a police operation

operation care was a police operation
there<02:27:44.800> was<02:27:45.280> 29<02:27:45.760> arrests

there was 29 arrests

there was 29 arrests
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about 13 people went to prison for

about 13 people went to prison for
physical<02:27:49.840> and<02:27:49.920> sexual<02:27:50.319> abuse<02:27:50.800> on<02:27:51.040> children

physical and sexual abuse on children

physical and sexual abuse on children
right<02:27:52.560> that<02:27:52.720> was<02:27:52.960> in<02:27:53.040> the<02:27:53.120> 80s

right that was in the 80s

right that was in the 80s
i<02:27:54.560> was<02:27:54.720> dead<02:27:55.040> in<02:27:55.120> the<02:27:55.280> 60s

i was dead in the 60s

i was dead in the 60s
the<02:27:57.439> copper

the copper

the copper
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that got my child files first read them

that got my child files first read them
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first who's doing the historic because i

first who's doing the historic because i
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made an aesthetic allegation

made an aesthetic allegation
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he comes in he says stephen i've read

he comes in he says stephen i've read
your<02:28:07.760> child<02:28:08.080> files

he goes and the heroine

he goes and the heroine
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he said that i want to read he said to

he said that i want to read he said to
me

me

me
you've<02:28:15.760> got

you've got

you've got
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two brothers and two sisters he says oh

two brothers and two sisters he says oh
your<02:28:20.479> elder<02:28:20.720> siblings<02:28:21.280> wise

look

look
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if i have a kid with a white baby it

if i have a kid with a white baby it
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looks white with a white gel looks white

looks white with a white gel looks white
look

look

look
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that's my color my dad's full black yeah

that's my color my dad's full black yeah
right<02:28:33.040> right<02:28:33.359> so<02:28:33.520> they<02:28:33.680> look<02:28:33.920> white

right right so they look white

right right so they look white
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they went into foster homes

they went into foster homes
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yeah me and my sister because of because

yeah me and my sister because of because
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we were dark yeah right and it's it's

we were dark yeah right and it's it's
it's

it's

it's
rivers<02:28:42.960> of<02:28:43.040> blood<02:28:43.359> speech<02:28:43.760> time<02:28:44.000> and

rivers of blood speech time and

rivers of blood speech time and
um

um

um
you<02:28:45.840> know<02:28:46.080> powell<02:28:46.479> time

you know powell time

you know powell time
yeah<02:28:47.520> yeah

yeah yeah

yeah yeah
they<02:28:48.720> could<02:28:48.960> they<02:28:49.120> couldn't<02:28:49.439> foster<02:28:49.760> those

they could they couldn't foster those

they could they couldn't foster those
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so they said we said that victorian

so they said we said that victorian
hellhole

hellhole

hellhole
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yeah right in the 60s he came yeah yeah

yeah right in the 60s he came yeah yeah
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and he gave me the fire engine with the

and he gave me the fire engine with the
yellow<02:29:00.319> leather<02:29:00.720> and<02:29:00.880> the<02:29:00.960> bell<02:29:01.200> on<02:29:01.359> it<02:29:02.000> yeah

yellow leather and the bell on it yeah

yellow leather and the bell on it yeah
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right right and he tried to feel me up

right right and he tried to feel me up
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yeah he tried to fill me up but

yeah he tried to fill me up but
i<02:29:07.040> just<02:29:07.280> whacked<02:29:07.600> him<02:29:08.160> or<02:29:08.399> automatically

i just whacked him or automatically

i just whacked him or automatically
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whacked him in the face and a hard

whacked him in the face and a hard
plastic<02:29:10.560> ladder<02:29:11.040> caught<02:29:11.200> someone's<02:29:11.760> eye

plastic ladder caught someone's eye

plastic ladder caught someone's eye
which<02:29:12.319> stopped<02:29:12.720> him

which stopped him

which stopped him
now

now

now
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i was removed from the home on the 23rd

i was removed from the home on the 23rd
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of december which is the day before

of december which is the day before
christmas<02:29:20.479> eve

christmas eve

christmas eve
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who gets moved this is the questions

who gets moved this is the questions
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that i i wanted to ask in the course why

that i i wanted to ask in the course why
does<02:29:25.920> a<02:29:26.000> kid<02:29:26.240> get<02:29:26.479> moved

does a kid get moved

does a kid get moved
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when everywhere's closed down

when everywhere's closed down
when<02:29:30.080> everybody's<02:29:30.640> starting<02:29:30.880> the<02:29:31.040> christmas

when everybody's starting the christmas

when everybody's starting the christmas
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break you're right i got moved because

break you're right i got moved because
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of that incident yeah it's nowhere in

of that incident yeah it's nowhere in
the<02:29:35.600> paperwork

the paperwork

the paperwork
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but i was there and he was there yeah

but i was there and he was there yeah
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right and the police officer got the

right and the police officer got the
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emails from the police officers he said

emails from the police officers he said
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if he was alive today with what you said

if he was alive today with what you said
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what we know about him we charge him

what we know about him we charge him
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yeah yeah we charge them that was enough

yeah yeah we charge them that was enough
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for me you're right because

for me you're right because
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did they they're pivotal things pivotal

did they they're pivotal things pivotal
things<02:29:54.880> in<02:29:54.960> my<02:29:55.200> childhood<02:29:55.920> that<02:29:56.160> change<02:29:56.479> that

things in my childhood that change that

things in my childhood that change that
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changed me from a decent kid yeah into a

changed me from a decent kid yeah into a
beast

beast

beast
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you're right because

you're right because
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i then

i then
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have no trust of adults yeah right i've

have no trust of adults yeah right i've
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been getting whipped and cat and wired

been getting whipped and cat and wired
yeah<02:30:08.319> yeah<02:30:08.479> right

yeah yeah right

yeah yeah right
and<02:30:09.680> i<02:30:09.840> liken<02:30:10.240> myself

and i liken myself

and i liken myself
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i i like dogs you get two dogs

i i like dogs you get two dogs
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yeah yeah are you beat some beasts and

yeah yeah are you beat some beasts and
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beat one dog in your eyes and you beat

beat one dog in your eyes and you beat
and<02:30:19.439> beat<02:30:19.680> the<02:30:19.760> other<02:30:19.920> dog

and beat the other dog

and beat the other dog
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two things happen with the dog every

two things happen with the dog every
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time you go near the dog it lifts its

time you go near the dog it lifts its
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leg and starts pissing yeah yeah right

leg and starts pissing yeah yeah right
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because it's terrified well every time

because it's terrified well every time
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you come here it tries to bite your leg

you come here it tries to bite your leg
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off your eyes and then it ends up a

off your eyes and then it ends up a
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junkyard dog i ended up a junkyard dog

junkyard dog i ended up a junkyard dog
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that's what that's what i ended up so

that's what that's what i ended up so
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i know what's happened to me and i know

i know what's happened to me and i know
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why i am the way i am i know i know

why i am the way i am i know i know
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exactly what was done to me and why i am

exactly what was done to me and why i am
the<02:30:43.120> way<02:30:43.280> i<02:30:43.439> am

the way i am

the way i am
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it was only a bit later that uh a bit

it was only a bit later that uh a bit
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later than after jim will fix it in fact

later than after jim will fix it in fact
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you know that i and when i was a

you know that i and when i was a
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journalist on the independent newspaper

journalist on the independent newspaper
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and stuff that i i began to i did kind

and stuff that i i began to i did kind
of<02:30:55.920> hear<02:30:56.160> rumors

of hear rumors

of hear rumors
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we all heard rumors i mean all of us

we all heard rumors i mean all of us
journalists<02:31:00.080> heard<02:31:00.319> rumors<02:31:00.720> about<02:31:00.960> jimmy

journalists heard rumors about jimmy

journalists heard rumors about jimmy
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several that that is kind of slightly

several that that is kind of slightly
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shocking but it is true that you know we

shocking but it is true that you know we
we<02:31:06.720> were

we were

we were
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there were a lot of suspicions about him

there were a lot of suspicions about him
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and about you know certain other people

and about you know certain other people
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uh that uh you know they were up to uh

uh that uh you know they were up to uh
no<02:31:16.319> good

no good

no good
[Music]

jimmy savile went to beach i'm in 1972

jimmy savile went to beach i'm in 1972
and<02:31:25.600> i<02:31:25.840> remember<02:31:26.319> being<02:31:26.479> in<02:31:26.640> the<02:31:26.720> dormitories

and i remember being in the dormitories

and i remember being in the dormitories
and<02:31:27.680> looking<02:31:28.000> out<02:31:28.319> and<02:31:28.479> seeing<02:31:28.720> these

and looking out and seeing these

and looking out and seeing these
sunshine<02:31:29.359> coaches<02:31:29.920> were

sunshine coaches were

sunshine coaches were
a<02:31:30.800> link<02:31:31.040> to<02:31:31.200> jimmy<02:31:31.520> seville

a link to jimmy seville

a link to jimmy seville
now

now

now
the<02:31:33.920> only<02:31:34.080> way<02:31:34.319> i<02:31:34.479> can<02:31:34.720> explain<02:31:35.200> to<02:31:35.359> you

the only way i can explain to you

the only way i can explain to you
about<02:31:37.120> beach<02:31:37.439> home

about beach home

about beach home
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to me beecham was like a sweet shop to a

to me beecham was like a sweet shop to a
pedophile<02:31:42.160> so<02:31:42.399> jimmy<02:31:42.880> savile<02:31:43.760> would<02:31:43.920> have

pedophile so jimmy savile would have

pedophile so jimmy savile would have
been<02:31:44.560> at<02:31:44.800> home

been at home

been at home
in<02:31:46.640> his<02:31:46.880> element

in his element

in his element
with<02:31:48.240> children

with children

with children
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being able to do what he could do

being able to do what he could do
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in terms of jeffrey banner bouncing them

in terms of jeffrey banner bouncing them
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off the knee he's stunned that in so

off the knee he's stunned that in so
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many times in jimmy fix where he had

many times in jimmy fix where he had
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children on his lap and stuff like that

children on his lap and stuff like that
that<02:32:00.399> reminds<02:32:00.800> me<02:32:01.040> the<02:32:01.200> same<02:32:01.439> with<02:32:01.600> what

that reminds me the same with what

that reminds me the same with what
jeffrey<02:32:02.160> banner<02:32:02.479> did<02:32:02.640> to<02:32:02.800> me

jeffrey banner did to me

jeffrey banner did to me
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and he was in beach home in 1970 that's

and he was in beach home in 1970 that's
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the only record that i know at the same

the only record that i know at the same
time<02:32:09.600> i<02:32:09.920> left

time i left

time i left
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i wasn't there when jimmy savile was

i wasn't there when jimmy savile was
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there but he was in beechum in 1972

there but he was in beechum in 1972
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but it is with the benefit of hindsight

but it is with the benefit of hindsight
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but when you watch particularly top of

but when you watch particularly top of
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the pops which is this big pop show uh

the pops which is this big pop show uh
that<02:32:25.120> uh

that uh

that uh
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went out once a week with all the latest

went out once a week with all the latest
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hits and stuff and years and years and

hits and stuff and years and years and
you<02:32:29.520> have<02:32:29.760> different<02:32:30.000> presenters<02:32:30.479> every<02:32:30.720> week

you have different presenters every week

you have different presenters every week
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and and and jimmy savile would be there

and and and jimmy savile would be there
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and you know he always had his arm

and you know he always had his arm
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around some young woman or some boy

around some young woman or some boy
there's<02:32:38.560> a<02:32:38.640> video<02:32:38.960> on<02:32:39.120> youtube<02:32:39.600> on<02:32:39.760> top<02:32:39.920> of<02:32:40.000> the

there's a video on youtube on top of the

there's a video on youtube on top of the
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pops where he's got his hand up a girl's

pops where he's got his hand up a girl's
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skirt yeah and his number one time still

skirt yeah and his number one time still
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some of savile's behavior was in the

some of savile's behavior was in the
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open dame janet says the lady in

open dame janet says the lady in
distress<02:32:48.640> here<02:32:48.880> on<02:32:49.040> the<02:32:49.120> left<02:32:49.680> later

distress here on the left later

distress here on the left later
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complained about being groped on top of

complained about being groped on top of
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the pops and her sexual assault wasn't

the pops and her sexual assault wasn't
taken<02:32:55.040> seriously

taken seriously

taken seriously
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it is extraordinary that it was never

it is extraordinary that it was never
properly<02:32:58.960> challenged<02:32:59.439> and<02:32:59.600> and<02:32:59.760> there<02:32:59.920> were

properly challenged and and there were

properly challenged and and there were
some<02:33:00.640> people<02:33:00.960> in<02:33:01.120> the<02:33:01.200> bbc

some people in the bbc

some people in the bbc
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who did either know about it or had

who did either know about it or had
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where the source of complaints about him

where the source of complaints about him
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and and uh didn't didn't do anything

and and uh didn't didn't do anything
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but it does i think it demonstrates all

but it does i think it demonstrates all
the<02:33:13.040> same<02:33:13.359> things<02:33:13.680> that<02:33:13.920> happened<02:33:14.240> in<02:33:14.319> the

the same things that happened in the

the same things that happened in the
children's<02:33:14.800> homes<02:33:15.120> that<02:33:15.280> i<02:33:15.439> wrote<02:33:15.680> about<02:33:16.000> that

children's homes that i wrote about that

children's homes that i wrote about that
that

that

that
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you know he was in a position of power

you know he was in a position of power
he<02:33:19.840> um

he um

he um
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certainly did things like visit

certainly did things like visit
children's<02:33:23.439> hospitals<02:33:24.000> that<02:33:24.160> were

children's hospitals that were

children's hospitals that were
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deliberately kind of to give it not

deliberately kind of to give it not
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because he was a nice bloke being you

because he was a nice bloke being you
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know i mean he worked as a

know i mean he worked as a
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as a as a porter in in hospitals

as a as a porter in in hospitals
deliberately<02:33:35.120> which<02:33:35.439> gave<02:33:35.680> him<02:33:36.240> lots<02:33:36.560> of

deliberately which gave him lots of

deliberately which gave him lots of
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access to patients on their own picking

access to patients on their own picking
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up their old cups of tea and stuff stuff

up their old cups of tea and stuff stuff
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and and it was a perfect kind of dessert

and and it was a perfect kind of dessert
i<02:33:43.280> mean<02:33:43.439> it<02:33:43.520> was<02:33:43.840> absolutely

i mean it was absolutely

i mean it was absolutely
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the same as you know a care home worker

the same as you know a care home worker
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getting getting a job in a children's

getting getting a job in a children's
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home uh to have access to kids it was it

home uh to have access to kids it was it
was<02:33:52.800> all<02:33:53.040> kind<02:33:53.200> of<02:33:53.760> completely

was all kind of completely

was all kind of completely
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deliberate the youngest child abused by

deliberate the youngest child abused by
savile<02:33:58.319> was<02:33:58.640> eight

savile was eight

savile was eight
offenses<02:34:00.240> occurred<02:34:01.040> in<02:34:01.359> 14<02:34:02.000> different

offenses occurred in 14 different

offenses occurred in 14 different
schools

schools

schools
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he would access schools through the

he would access schools through the
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vehicle of the joomla fix it program and

vehicle of the joomla fix it program and
it's<02:34:07.840> that<02:34:08.160> cult<02:34:08.640> of<02:34:08.880> celebrity<02:34:09.600> that<02:34:09.840> he

it's that cult of celebrity that he

it's that cult of celebrity that he
exploited<02:34:11.040> to<02:34:11.280> get<02:34:11.520> himself<02:34:12.000> into<02:34:12.240> the

exploited to get himself into the

exploited to get himself into the
positions<02:34:12.880> where<02:34:13.040> he<02:34:13.120> was<02:34:13.280> responsible<02:34:13.760> for

positions where he was responsible for

positions where he was responsible for
children's<02:34:14.319> letters<02:34:14.720> that's<02:34:14.960> how<02:34:15.040> we<02:34:15.200> got

children's letters that's how we got

children's letters that's how we got
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into these schools yes that's what the

into these schools yes that's what the
victims<02:34:17.680> have<02:34:17.840> been<02:34:18.080> telling<02:34:18.399> us

victims have been telling us

victims have been telling us
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there was just not a culture of kids

there was just not a culture of kids
being<02:34:21.359> believed<02:34:21.680> in<02:34:21.840> a<02:34:21.920> way<02:34:22.160> that<02:34:22.399> is

being believed in a way that is

being believed in a way that is
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completely different 50 years on and and

completely different 50 years on and and
i<02:34:25.359> can't<02:34:25.600> emphasize<02:34:26.160> that<02:34:26.399> uh

i can't emphasize that uh

i can't emphasize that uh
enough<02:34:27.760> that<02:34:28.080> that<02:34:28.479> nowadays<02:34:29.040> we<02:34:29.200> would<02:34:29.520> just

enough that that nowadays we would just

enough that that nowadays we would just
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you know the kid would much more likely

you know the kid would much more likely
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be listened to not always

be listened to not always
not<02:34:35.439> kind<02:34:35.600> of<02:34:35.680> 100<02:34:36.160> percent

not kind of 100 percent

not kind of 100 percent
uh<02:34:38.160> uh<02:34:38.560> you<02:34:38.720> know<02:34:38.880> sometimes<02:34:39.359> not<02:34:39.600> reflecting

uh uh you know sometimes not reflecting

uh uh you know sometimes not reflecting
that<02:34:40.479> seriously<02:34:40.960> to<02:34:41.120> what<02:34:41.359> goes<02:34:41.600> on<02:34:41.840> and<02:34:41.920> so<02:34:42.080> on

that seriously to what goes on and so on

that seriously to what goes on and so on
but<02:34:42.880> by<02:34:43.120> and<02:34:43.359> large

but by and large

but by and large
it<02:34:44.720> would<02:34:44.880> be<02:34:45.040> a<02:34:45.120> different<02:34:45.359> story

it would be a different story

it would be a different story
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in 1963 two boys aged 11 and 14

in 1963 two boys aged 11 and 14
appeared<02:34:56.399> in<02:34:56.640> salford<02:34:57.120> juvenile<02:34:57.680> court

appeared in salford juvenile court

appeared in salford juvenile court
they<02:34:59.680> pled<02:35:00.000> guilty<02:35:00.399> to<02:35:00.560> stealing<02:35:01.040> a<02:35:01.120> watch

they pled guilty to stealing a watch

they pled guilty to stealing a watch
from<02:35:01.680> savile's<02:35:02.240> flat

from savile's flat

from savile's flat
the<02:35:03.920> 11<02:35:04.319> year<02:35:04.560> old<02:35:04.800> was<02:35:05.040> fined<02:35:05.920> and<02:35:06.000> the<02:35:06.160> older

the 11 year old was fined and the older

the 11 year old was fined and the older
boy<02:35:06.720> was<02:35:06.880> given<02:35:07.280> two<02:35:07.520> years<02:35:07.760> probation

boy was given two years probation

boy was given two years probation
nobody<02:35:09.920> knows<02:35:10.160> whether<02:35:10.479> they<02:35:10.720> broke<02:35:11.040> into<02:35:11.359> the

nobody knows whether they broke into the

nobody knows whether they broke into the
flat<02:35:12.080> or<02:35:12.240> had<02:35:12.399> been<02:35:12.640> invited<02:35:13.280> by<02:35:13.439> its<02:35:13.760> owner

flat or had been invited by its owner

flat or had been invited by its owner
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[Music]

[Music]
after<02:35:16.640> savile<02:35:16.960> was<02:35:17.200> exposed<02:35:18.000> a<02:35:18.160> joint<02:35:18.479> report

after savile was exposed a joint report

after savile was exposed a joint report
by<02:35:18.960> the<02:35:19.120> met<02:35:19.359> police<02:35:19.920> and<02:35:20.000> the<02:35:20.520> nspcc

by the met police and the nspcc

by the met police and the nspcc
recorded<02:35:22.960> that<02:35:23.200> up<02:35:23.280> to<02:35:23.439> a<02:35:23.520> dozen<02:35:23.840> people

recorded that up to a dozen people

recorded that up to a dozen people
had<02:35:25.120> made<02:35:25.359> allegations<02:35:26.080> of<02:35:26.240> sexual<02:35:26.800> assault

had made allegations of sexual assault

had made allegations of sexual assault
by<02:35:28.160> the<02:35:28.319> pedophile

by the pedophile

by the pedophile
during<02:35:29.920> the<02:35:30.080> early<02:35:30.479> sixties

during the early sixties

during the early sixties
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one had been a ten-year-old boy who'd

one had been a ten-year-old boy who'd
spotted<02:35:35.359> savile<02:35:35.680> outside<02:35:36.080> a<02:35:36.160> hotel

spotted savile outside a hotel

spotted savile outside a hotel
and<02:35:37.439> had<02:35:37.600> asked<02:35:37.840> for<02:35:38.000> an<02:35:38.160> autograph

and had asked for an autograph

and had asked for an autograph
he<02:35:39.840> had<02:35:40.000> been<02:35:40.240> raped

he had been raped

he had been raped
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another report was of a male victim from

another report was of a male victim from
cheshire

cheshire

cheshire
who<02:35:46.000> tried<02:35:46.319> to<02:35:46.479> report<02:35:46.960> being<02:35:47.200> raped<02:35:47.520> by

who tried to report being raped by

who tried to report being raped by
savile<02:35:48.640> in<02:35:48.880> 63.

savile in 63.

savile in 63.
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at the police station he was told to

at the police station he was told to
forget<02:35:53.200> it<02:35:53.840> and<02:35:54.080> move<02:35:54.399> on

forget it and move on

forget it and move on
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is there a threshold

is there a threshold
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of an amount of victims and matching

of an amount of victims and matching
details<02:36:01.920> that<02:36:02.000> the<02:36:02.160> police<02:36:02.560> need

details that the police need

details that the police need
to<02:36:03.920> prosecute

to prosecute

to prosecute
the<02:36:05.840> simple<02:36:06.160> answer<02:36:06.399> is<02:36:06.640> no

the simple answer is no

the simple answer is no
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but of course the stronger the evidence

but of course the stronger the evidence
the<02:36:10.319> greater<02:36:10.720> the<02:36:10.880> weight<02:36:11.200> of<02:36:11.280> the

the greater the weight of the

the greater the weight of the
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prosecution and the likelihood of a

prosecution and the likelihood of a
successful<02:36:14.000> conviction<02:36:14.720> crown<02:36:14.880> prosecution

successful conviction crown prosecution

successful conviction crown prosecution
service<02:36:15.840> has<02:36:16.000> to<02:36:16.080> go<02:36:16.319> through<02:36:16.560> certain

service has to go through certain

service has to go through certain
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elements in terms of

elements in terms of
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of being an acceptable level to bring a

of being an acceptable level to bring a
charge

charge

charge
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and one of those of course is that they

and one of those of course is that they
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have a reasonable likelihood of a

have a reasonable likelihood of a
successful<02:36:27.120> prosecution<02:36:28.160> so<02:36:28.399> the<02:36:28.640> stronger

successful prosecution so the stronger

successful prosecution so the stronger
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the evidence the better and in terms of

the evidence the better and in terms of
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victims so what you want to do in terms

victims so what you want to do in terms
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of victims is you want to get some

of victims is you want to get some
similarity<02:36:35.840> between<02:36:36.240> their<02:36:36.479> accounts

similarity between their accounts

similarity between their accounts
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in other words they're both so they're

in other words they're both so they're
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all saying that this is how they groomed

all saying that this is how they groomed
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me this is what they did to me this is

me this is what they did to me this is
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what they said to me this is how they

what they said to me this is how they
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behaved you also want to get some

behaved you also want to get some
similarity<02:36:50.080> between<02:36:50.399> the<02:36:50.560> manner<02:36:50.960> in<02:36:51.040> which

similarity between the manner in which

similarity between the manner in which
that<02:36:51.760> they<02:36:51.920> were<02:36:52.160> communicated<02:36:52.960> with<02:36:53.120> they

that they were communicated with they

that they were communicated with they
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were contacted with perhaps the

were contacted with perhaps the
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locations they've been to

locations they've been to
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what's really important is to also get

what's really important is to also get
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some independence between victims so

some independence between victims so
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that they don't all know each other they

that they don't all know each other they
haven't<02:37:03.840> communicated<02:37:04.479> with<02:37:04.640> each<02:37:04.800> other

haven't communicated with each other

haven't communicated with each other
there's<02:37:05.280> no<02:37:05.920> no

there's no no

there's no no
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suggestion that there's a collusion

suggestion that there's a collusion
between<02:37:08.880> what<02:37:09.040> they're<02:37:09.280> saying

between what they're saying

between what they're saying
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and of course the more victims you can

and of course the more victims you can
possibly<02:37:12.479> get<02:37:12.880> so<02:37:13.040> when<02:37:13.280> we<02:37:14.000> investigated

possibly get so when we investigated

possibly get so when we investigated
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savile we started from a point of one

savile we started from a point of one
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victim we then got to five victims

victim we then got to five victims
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and i remember saying to the network

and i remember saying to the network
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when that when we showed them five

when that when we showed them five
victims<02:37:24.960> they<02:37:25.120> said<02:37:25.280> well<02:37:25.439> keep<02:37:25.600> going<02:37:25.920> and<02:37:26.160> i

victims they said well keep going and i

victims they said well keep going and i
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said to i said to the lawyer for how

said to i said to the lawyer for how
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long how how many victims do you want

long how how many victims do you want
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before we are in a position to do this

before we are in a position to do this
story<02:37:34.399> and<02:37:34.560> he<02:37:34.640> came<02:37:34.800> back<02:37:35.040> and<02:37:35.120> said<02:37:35.280> that's<02:37:35.439> a

story and he came back and said that's a

story and he came back and said that's a
very<02:37:36.000> interesting<02:37:36.399> question<02:37:36.720> i<02:37:36.800> don't<02:37:37.040> know

very interesting question i don't know

very interesting question i don't know
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how much the channel wants and i said

how much the channel wants and i said
well<02:37:39.680> listen<02:37:40.000> you<02:37:40.160> know<02:37:40.319> it's

well listen you know it's

well listen you know it's
i've<02:37:41.439> only<02:37:41.760> got<02:37:42.560> an<02:37:42.720> hour<02:37:43.120> i<02:37:43.200> can<02:37:43.359> tell<02:37:43.840> tell<02:37:44.000> a

i've only got an hour i can tell tell a

i've only got an hour i can tell tell a
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story and that's my program is an hour

story and that's my program is an hour
we<02:37:46.880> can't<02:37:47.040> do<02:37:47.280> them<02:37:47.359> justice<02:37:47.760> if<02:37:47.840> we<02:37:47.920> have<02:37:48.080> any

we can't do them justice if we have any

we can't do them justice if we have any
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more than five victims and what i'm not

more than five victims and what i'm not
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going to do is go and get more victims

going to do is go and get more victims
that<02:37:53.200> i<02:37:53.280> can't<02:37:53.520> tell<02:37:53.680> their<02:37:53.920> story<02:37:54.160> for

that i can't tell their story for

that i can't tell their story for
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because that's a massive impact you know

because that's a massive impact you know
i<02:37:56.319> take<02:37:56.560> great<02:37:56.880> care<02:37:57.120> in<02:37:57.280> the<02:37:57.359> people<02:37:57.600> that<02:37:57.760> i

i take great care in the people that i

i take great care in the people that i
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work with and when i do go and speak to

work with and when i do go and speak to
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people and when i interview them what

people and when i interview them what
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you don't want to do is bring all this

you don't want to do is bring all this
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trauma up and then not deal with it

trauma up and then not deal with it
so<02:38:06.399> so<02:38:06.560> there<02:38:06.720> was<02:38:06.880> a<02:38:07.040> there's<02:38:07.200> a<02:38:07.280> real

so so there was a there's a real

so so there was a there's a real
responsibility<02:38:08.640> we<02:38:08.800> have<02:38:09.040> as<02:38:09.200> program<02:38:09.600> makers

responsibility we have as program makers

responsibility we have as program makers
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and so when we got those five victims i

and so when we got those five victims i
remember<02:38:13.520> there<02:38:13.680> was<02:38:13.920> a<02:38:14.000> concern<02:38:14.560> whether

remember there was a concern whether

remember there was a concern whether
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they wanted they thought that was enough

they wanted they thought that was enough
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but they didn't come back and said

but they didn't come back and said
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actually do you know what that is enough

actually do you know what that is enough
and<02:38:20.000> the<02:38:20.479> the<02:38:20.960> the<02:38:21.600> similarities<02:38:22.640> between<02:38:23.040> the

and the the the similarities between the

and the the the similarities between the
manner<02:38:23.520> of<02:38:23.600> the<02:38:23.760> offending<02:38:24.160> behavior<02:38:24.479> the

manner of the offending behavior the

manner of the offending behavior the
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similarities between the way that he

similarities between the way that he
conducted<02:38:27.280> himself<02:38:27.680> with<02:38:27.920> them

conducted himself with them

conducted himself with them
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and the types of offenses were so

and the types of offenses were so
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common there was a common thread through

common there was a common thread through
his<02:38:33.920> offending<02:38:34.319> behavior

his offending behavior

his offending behavior
that

that

that
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he it could only be him as being

he it could only be him as being
responsible

responsible

responsible
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savile clearly cultivated close

savile clearly cultivated close
relationships<02:38:43.680> with<02:38:44.000> cops<02:38:44.800> throughout<02:38:45.200> his

relationships with cops throughout his

relationships with cops throughout his
life

life

life
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from his days as a dj in manchester

from his days as a dj in manchester
london

london

london
right<02:38:51.120> through<02:38:51.359> to<02:38:51.520> his<02:38:51.760> friday<02:38:52.240> morning<02:38:52.640> club

right through to his friday morning club

right through to his friday morning club
socials

socials

socials
which<02:38:54.560> continued<02:38:55.120> until<02:38:55.439> his<02:38:55.600> death

did the officers in manchester in the

did the officers in manchester in the
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early days enjoy the company of his

early days enjoy the company of his
groupies

groupies

groupies
it<02:39:04.319> wasn't<02:39:04.720> uncommon<02:39:05.359> for<02:39:05.600> the<02:39:05.680> police<02:39:06.080> to<02:39:06.160> be

it wasn't uncommon for the police to be

it wasn't uncommon for the police to be
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entertained by savile at his flat in

entertained by savile at his flat in
salford

salford

salford
if<02:39:10.800> he<02:39:10.960> applied<02:39:11.439> them<02:39:11.680> with<02:39:11.920> teenagers

if he applied them with teenagers

if he applied them with teenagers
what<02:39:13.439> would<02:39:13.680> they<02:39:13.840> do<02:39:14.000> for<02:39:14.160> him<02:39:14.399> in<02:39:14.560> return

what would they do for him in return

what would they do for him in return
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so in total you have so uh so after our

so in total you have so uh so after our
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program we had 440 450 people came

program we had 440 450 people came
forward<02:39:22.560> to<02:39:22.800> make<02:39:23.280> allegations

forward to make allegations

forward to make allegations
and<02:39:24.560> that<02:39:24.800> resulted<02:39:25.280> in<02:39:25.560> 214<02:39:26.800> crimes<02:39:27.680> recorded

and that resulted in 214 crimes recorded

and that resulted in 214 crimes recorded
and<02:39:28.720> those<02:39:29.040> crimes<02:39:29.600> are<02:39:29.920> in<02:39:30.080> other<02:39:30.240> words

and those crimes are in other words

and those crimes are in other words
people<02:39:30.800> have<02:39:30.880> come<02:39:31.040> forward<02:39:31.359> and<02:39:31.439> said<02:39:31.920> we

people have come forward and said we

people have come forward and said we
were<02:39:32.160> raped<02:39:32.479> we<02:39:32.560> were<02:39:32.720> touched<02:39:33.040> by<02:39:33.200> him<02:39:33.760> so

were raped we were touched by him so

were raped we were touched by him so
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that resulted in 214 separate crimes and

that resulted in 214 separate crimes and
what<02:39:38.000> they<02:39:38.160> established<02:39:39.200> is<02:39:39.359> that<02:39:39.600> that<02:39:39.920> was

what they established is that that was

what they established is that that was
between<02:39:40.640> a<02:39:40.800> period<02:39:41.680> of

between a period of

between a period of
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1955 and 2009 so that's a shocking

1955 and 2009 so that's a shocking
period<02:39:46.800> of<02:39:46.880> time

period of time

period of time
and

and

and
they<02:39:48.880> established<02:39:49.439> that<02:39:49.520> there<02:39:49.680> were<02:39:49.920> seven

they established that there were seven

they established that there were seven
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separate occasions where or seven

separate occasions where or seven
separate<02:39:53.439> victims

separate victims

separate victims
where<02:39:55.200> the<02:39:55.359> police<02:39:55.680> had<02:39:55.920> information<02:39:57.120> which

where the police had information which

where the police had information which
could<02:39:57.680> have<02:39:57.760> resulted<02:39:58.880> potentially<02:39:59.600> in<02:39:59.760> an

could have resulted potentially in an

could have resulted potentially in an
investigation<02:40:00.640> and<02:40:00.800> i'll<02:40:00.960> take<02:40:01.120> you<02:40:01.280> through

investigation and i'll take you through

investigation and i'll take you through
them<02:40:01.680> so<02:40:01.840> the<02:40:02.080> first<02:40:02.399> one

them so the first one

them so the first one
is<02:40:03.720> 1964.<02:40:05.200> so<02:40:05.359> there<02:40:05.520> is<02:40:05.600> a<02:40:05.680> piece<02:40:05.920> of

is 1964. so there is a piece of

is 1964. so there is a piece of
intelligence<02:40:06.720> that<02:40:06.880> sits<02:40:07.120> in<02:40:07.200> the

intelligence that sits in the

intelligence that sits in the
metropolitan<02:40:07.920> police<02:40:08.160> files<02:40:08.960> where<02:40:09.520> duncroff

metropolitan police files where duncroff

metropolitan police files where duncroff
girls<02:40:10.640> were<02:40:10.880> going<02:40:11.200> to<02:40:11.359> a<02:40:11.520> flat<02:40:12.240> in<02:40:12.319> the

girls were going to a flat in the

girls were going to a flat in the
metropolitan<02:40:13.040> police<02:40:13.359> area<02:40:14.000> and<02:40:14.319> they<02:40:14.560> were

metropolitan police area and they were

metropolitan police area and they were
associating<02:40:15.600> with<02:40:15.840> a<02:40:16.240> convicted<02:40:16.800> sex

associating with a convicted sex

associating with a convicted sex
offender

offender

offender
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and savile was connected at that address

and savile was connected at that address
right

right

right
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so as a result of that that intelligence

so as a result of that that intelligence
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went into the police system in 1964 but

went into the police system in 1964 but
nothing<02:40:29.040> happened<02:40:29.359> with<02:40:29.600> it<02:40:30.160> so<02:40:30.319> if<02:40:30.399> you<02:40:30.560> take

nothing happened with it so if you take

nothing happened with it so if you take
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it in its simplistic form the very first

it in its simplistic form the very first
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time that people knew that jimmy savile

time that people knew that jimmy savile
was<02:40:36.080> connected<02:40:36.800> to<02:40:36.960> the<02:40:37.200> sexual<02:40:37.520> abuse<02:40:37.840> of

was connected to the sexual abuse of

was connected to the sexual abuse of
children<02:40:38.479> was<02:40:38.760> 1964.

children was 1964.

children was 1964.
and<02:40:40.960> then<02:40:41.600> there<02:40:41.760> was<02:40:41.920> an<02:40:42.080> anonymous<02:40:42.720> letter

and then there was an anonymous letter

and then there was an anonymous letter
in<02:40:43.880> 1995.<02:40:44.880> now<02:40:45.040> this<02:40:45.279> anonymous<02:40:45.760> letter<02:40:46.240> is

in 1995. now this anonymous letter is

in 1995. now this anonymous letter is
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absolutely crucial and if you it's worth

absolutely crucial and if you it's worth
reading<02:40:50.080> the<02:40:50.160> anonymous<02:40:50.640> letter<02:40:50.960> if<02:40:51.040> you

reading the anonymous letter if you

reading the anonymous letter if you
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haven't already done it it sits in with

haven't already done it it sits in with
the<02:40:53.920> hmic

the hmic

the hmic
um

um

um
report

report

report
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that letter was written by an anonymous

that letter was written by an anonymous
anonymous<02:40:59.840> person<02:41:00.240> who<02:41:00.479> clearly<02:41:00.960> knew

anonymous person who clearly knew

anonymous person who clearly knew
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both savile and one of his victims and

both savile and one of his victims and
what<02:41:04.800> that<02:41:05.040> person<02:41:05.600> said<02:41:06.240> is<02:41:06.399> that<02:41:06.560> this

what that person said is that this

what that person said is that this
individual<02:41:07.600> is<02:41:07.840> incredibly<02:41:08.560> powerful<02:41:09.520> he

individual is incredibly powerful he

individual is incredibly powerful he
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will attack anybody who has a go at him

will attack anybody who has a go at him
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he has the influence and the power of

he has the influence and the power of
politicians<02:41:15.520> and<02:41:15.600> the<02:41:15.760> royalty<02:41:16.160> behind<02:41:16.560> him

politicians and the royalty behind him

politicians and the royalty behind him
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and he has had to change his telephone

and he has had to change his telephone
number<02:41:19.439> because

number because

number because
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a child that he's been abusing a young

a child that he's been abusing a young
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rent boy is the phrase that they used to

rent boy is the phrase that they used to
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use in those days but basically a child

use in those days but basically a child
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who he would have been sexually abusing

who he would have been sexually abusing
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was trying to blackmail him and he

was trying to blackmail him and he
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changed his number it then went on to

changed his number it then went on to
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say from the the right of the letter is

say from the the right of the letter is
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that you have the powers at new scotland

that you have the powers at new scotland
yard<02:41:39.439> to<02:41:39.600> properly<02:41:40.000> investigate<02:41:40.640> this

yard to properly investigate this

yard to properly investigate this
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i've done my bit i've told you about

i've done my bit i've told you about
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what i know and it was quite detailed in

what i know and it was quite detailed in
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the letter it's now up to you

the letter it's now up to you
that<02:41:49.200> letter

that letter

that letter
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the police did nothing with

the police did nothing with
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there was clearly information in that

there was clearly information in that
letter<02:41:54.640> which<02:41:54.960> could<02:41:55.200> have<02:41:55.279> been<02:41:55.520> followed<02:41:55.920> up

letter which could have been followed up

letter which could have been followed up
none<02:41:56.720> more<02:41:56.960> so<02:41:57.520> than<02:41:57.840> simply<02:41:58.319> establishing

none more so than simply establishing

none more so than simply establishing
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whether or not there was a criminal

whether or not there was a criminal
offences<02:42:02.080> against<02:42:02.479> savile<02:42:03.040> in<02:42:03.200> terms<02:42:03.439> of

offences against savile in terms of

offences against savile in terms of
allegations<02:42:04.240> being<02:42:04.479> made<02:42:05.040> but<02:42:05.200> nothing<02:42:05.520> was

allegations being made but nothing was

allegations being made but nothing was
done<02:42:05.920> about<02:42:06.240> that<02:42:06.560> that<02:42:06.800> letters<02:42:07.359> simply<02:42:07.840> went

done about that that letters simply went

done about that that letters simply went
nowhere

nowhere

nowhere
um

um

um
and<02:42:11.040> then<02:42:12.000> there<02:42:12.240> was<02:42:12.960> in<02:42:13.120> 1963

and then there was in 1963

and then there was in 1963
a

a

a
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report so this so those are formal

report so this so those are formal
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reports that sit within the documents

reports that sit within the documents
then<02:42:20.800> there<02:42:20.960> are<02:42:21.279> a<02:42:21.520> separate<02:42:22.000> report

then there are a separate report

then there are a separate report
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that have been found through

that have been found through
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intelligence documents and that was in

intelligence documents and that was in
1963<02:42:27.680> a<02:42:27.840> man<02:42:28.160> goes<02:42:28.479> into<02:42:28.720> a<02:42:28.880> cheshire<02:42:29.279> police

1963 a man goes into a cheshire police

1963 a man goes into a cheshire police
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station to make a report of rape naming

station to make a report of rape naming
savile

savile

savile
the<02:42:34.000> cheshire<02:42:34.640> police<02:42:34.960> officer<02:42:35.840> tells<02:42:36.160> him<02:42:36.479> to

the cheshire police officer tells him to

the cheshire police officer tells him to
go<02:42:36.880> home

go home

go home
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and move on forget about it astonishing

and move on forget about it astonishing
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so you have a victim of check sex abuse

so you have a victim of check sex abuse
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goes to police station and gets told to

goes to police station and gets told to
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go home and forget about it that was a

go home and forget about it that was a
sign<02:42:46.720> of<02:42:46.800> the<02:42:46.880> times<02:42:47.200> that's<02:42:47.359> what<02:42:47.600> happened

sign of the times that's what happened

sign of the times that's what happened
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in those 1960s 70 periods of time

in those 1960s 70 periods of time
in<02:42:52.399> ninth<02:42:52.720> again<02:42:53.120> in<02:42:53.240> 1963<02:42:54.720> a

in ninth again in 1963 a

in ninth again in 1963 a
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man and a woman who'd been to one of the

man and a woman who'd been to one of the
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productions of i think it top the pops

productions of i think it top the pops
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or something he the he goes to the

or something he the he goes to the
police<02:43:03.840> station<02:43:04.160> at<02:43:04.319> vine<02:43:04.560> street<02:43:04.800> police

police station at vine street police

police station at vine street police
station<02:43:05.279> in<02:43:05.359> metropolitan<02:43:05.920> police<02:43:06.160> area<02:43:06.640> and

station in metropolitan police area and

station in metropolitan police area and
says<02:43:07.200> my<02:43:07.359> girlfriend<02:43:07.920> was<02:43:08.160> sexually<02:43:08.479> abused

says my girlfriend was sexually abused

says my girlfriend was sexually abused
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by savile whilst at the studio and the

by savile whilst at the studio and the
police<02:43:11.920> officer<02:43:12.319> says<02:43:12.640> you<02:43:12.720> know<02:43:12.880> how<02:43:13.040> serious

police officer says you know how serious

police officer says you know how serious
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it is to make allegations like that you

it is to make allegations like that you
could<02:43:15.600> get<02:43:15.760> yourself<02:43:16.080> arrested<02:43:16.960> go<02:43:17.200> away

could get yourself arrested go away

could get yourself arrested go away
he<02:43:18.319> leaves

he leaves

he leaves
and<02:43:20.240> then

and then

and then
uh<02:43:21.520> 1980

uh 1980

uh 1980
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there's a victim that comes forward to

there's a victim that comes forward to
the<02:43:26.080> metropolitan<02:43:26.560> police<02:43:26.880> who<02:43:27.040> says<02:43:27.359> that

the metropolitan police who says that

the metropolitan police who says that
she<02:43:27.680> was<02:43:27.840> sexually<02:43:28.160> abused<02:43:28.640> by<02:43:28.880> savile<02:43:29.279> in<02:43:29.439> his

she was sexually abused by savile in his

she was sexually abused by savile in his
campervan

campervan

campervan
now<02:43:31.279> none<02:43:31.520> of<02:43:32.080> that<02:43:32.399> goes<02:43:32.720> anywhere<02:43:33.120> so<02:43:33.279> you've

now none of that goes anywhere so you've

now none of that goes anywhere so you've
got<02:43:33.680> three<02:43:33.920> separate<02:43:34.319> allegations

got three separate allegations

got three separate allegations
two<02:43:35.680> in<02:43:35.840> 63<02:43:36.640> one<02:43:36.880> in<02:43:37.040> 80.<02:43:37.840> you've<02:43:38.000> got<02:43:38.160> a<02:43:38.319> letter

two in 63 one in 80. you've got a letter

two in 63 one in 80. you've got a letter
in<02:43:38.960> 1965<02:43:40.319> sorry<02:43:40.880> a<02:43:40.960> letter<02:43:41.200> in<02:43:41.359> 1995<02:43:42.720> you've

in 1965 sorry a letter in 1995 you've

in 1965 sorry a letter in 1995 you've
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got the report intelligence report in

got the report intelligence report in
1964.<02:43:46.240> so<02:43:46.560> this<02:43:46.880> is<02:43:47.439> all<02:43:47.840> pre

1964. so this is all pre

1964. so this is all pre
19

19

19
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it's up to 1980 but then the most

it's up to 1980 but then the most
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significant things happen in 2000. so in

significant things happen in 2000. so in
2003

2003

2003
a<02:43:58.319> another<02:43:58.640> person<02:43:58.960> makes<02:43:59.200> an<02:43:59.359> allegation

a another person makes an allegation

a another person makes an allegation
that<02:44:00.080> she<02:44:00.240> was<02:44:00.479> sexually<02:44:00.800> abused<02:44:01.120> atop<02:44:01.439> the

that she was sexually abused atop the

that she was sexually abused atop the
pops

pops

pops
nothing<02:44:03.120> happened<02:44:03.600> in<02:44:03.760> relation<02:44:04.160> to<02:44:04.319> that

nothing happened in relation to that

nothing happened in relation to that
and<02:44:05.439> then<02:44:06.000> the<02:44:06.240> two<02:44:06.479> significant<02:44:07.200> ones<02:44:07.840> which

and then the two significant ones which

and then the two significant ones which
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is in 2007 and 2008 so in 2007

is in 2007 and 2008 so in 2007
three<02:44:13.439> victims<02:44:14.160> come<02:44:14.399> forward<02:44:14.720> to<02:44:14.800> surrey

three victims come forward to surrey

three victims come forward to surrey
police<02:44:15.359> and<02:44:15.439> say<02:44:15.600> they<02:44:15.840> were<02:44:15.920> sexually<02:44:16.240> abused

police and say they were sexually abused

police and say they were sexually abused
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by savile and then in 2008 a single

by savile and then in 2008 a single
victim<02:44:20.319> comes<02:44:20.640> forward<02:44:20.960> and<02:44:21.040> said<02:44:21.200> they<02:44:21.359> were

victim comes forward and said they were

victim comes forward and said they were
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abused by savile that led to the

abused by savile that led to the
investigation<02:44:25.279> that<02:44:25.520> of<02:44:25.600> course<02:44:25.840> we<02:44:26.000> all<02:44:26.319> know

investigation that of course we all know

investigation that of course we all know
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about now but what it does very clearly

about now but what it does very clearly
tell<02:44:29.600> you<02:44:30.160> is<02:44:30.399> that<02:44:30.720> prior<02:44:31.279> to

tell you is that prior to

tell you is that prior to
our<02:44:32.800> story<02:44:33.200> in<02:44:33.800> 2012<02:44:34.800> which<02:44:34.960> obviously<02:44:35.359> broke

our story in 2012 which obviously broke

our story in 2012 which obviously broke
it<02:44:36.319> their<02:44:36.720> police<02:44:37.040> were<02:44:37.279> fully<02:44:37.600> aware<02:44:38.080> of

it their police were fully aware of

it their police were fully aware of
savile's<02:44:38.880> offending<02:44:39.279> behavior<02:44:40.160> albeit<02:44:41.040> in

savile's offending behavior albeit in

savile's offending behavior albeit in
silos<02:44:42.000> so<02:44:42.160> not<02:44:42.399> all<02:44:42.560> that<02:44:42.800> information<02:44:43.279> had

silos so not all that information had

silos so not all that information had
been<02:44:43.600> shared<02:44:43.920> across<02:44:44.240> different<02:44:44.479> police

been shared across different police

been shared across different police
forces<02:44:45.680> but<02:44:46.080> had<02:44:46.319> they<02:44:46.560> have<02:44:46.640> made<02:44:46.880> the

forces but had they have made the

forces but had they have made the
necessary<02:44:47.680> inquiries<02:44:48.560> they<02:44:48.720> could<02:44:48.960> have<02:44:49.040> done

necessary inquiries they could have done

necessary inquiries they could have done
it

it

it
and<02:44:50.160> what<02:44:50.399> it<02:44:50.479> does<02:44:50.800> highlight<02:44:51.439> and<02:44:51.680> it<02:44:51.920> the

and what it does highlight and it the

and what it does highlight and it the
the<02:44:52.640> reports<02:44:53.040> are<02:44:53.200> critical<02:44:53.680> what<02:44:53.920> it<02:44:54.000> does

the reports are critical what it does

the reports are critical what it does
highlight<02:44:54.720> is<02:44:54.880> the<02:44:55.040> incompetence<02:44:56.399> of<02:44:56.800> the

highlight is the incompetence of the

highlight is the incompetence of the
2007<02:44:58.560> surrey<02:44:58.880> police<02:44:59.200> investigation<02:45:00.240> which

2007 surrey police investigation which

2007 surrey police investigation which
was

was

was
totally<02:45:02.880> incompetent

in the aftermath of the savile scandal

in the aftermath of the savile scandal
hundreds<02:45:08.800> of<02:45:08.960> victims<02:45:09.439> came<02:45:09.680> forward<02:45:10.000> to<02:45:10.160> tell

hundreds of victims came forward to tell

hundreds of victims came forward to tell
their<02:45:10.560> story

quite a few stated they had gone to the

quite a few stated they had gone to the
police<02:45:15.760> to<02:45:15.840> report<02:45:16.240> assaults<02:45:17.200> but<02:45:17.359> no<02:45:17.600> action

police to report assaults but no action

police to report assaults but no action
was<02:45:18.160> ever<02:45:18.399> taken

was ever taken

was ever taken
two<02:45:20.560> women<02:45:20.960> claimed<02:45:21.439> to<02:45:21.520> have<02:45:21.680> made

two women claimed to have made

two women claimed to have made
complaints<02:45:22.399> about<02:45:22.640> savile<02:45:22.880> to<02:45:23.040> police<02:45:23.359> in

complaints about savile to police in

complaints about savile to police in
london<02:45:23.760> and<02:45:23.840> merseyside

london and merseyside

london and merseyside
[Music]

[Music]

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in<02:45:26.399> both<02:45:26.720> cases<02:45:27.200> no<02:45:27.439> further<02:45:27.920> action<02:45:28.240> had<02:45:28.399> been

in both cases no further action had been

in both cases no further action had been
taken

we will never know if the women were

we will never know if the women were
exaggerating<02:45:33.920> their<02:45:34.160> claims

exaggerating their claims

exaggerating their claims
after<02:45:35.840> police<02:45:36.080> neglected<02:45:36.560> to<02:45:36.720> pursue<02:45:37.279> an

after police neglected to pursue an

after police neglected to pursue an
investigation<02:45:38.319> into<02:45:38.640> several

investigation into several

investigation into several
what<02:45:40.479> about<02:45:40.720> the<02:45:40.880> allegations<02:45:41.600> that<02:45:41.680> the

what about the allegations that the

what about the allegations that the
police<02:45:42.319> who<02:45:42.560> attended<02:45:42.960> his<02:45:43.200> lunches

police who attended his lunches

police who attended his lunches
jimmy<02:45:45.600> savile<02:45:46.160> had<02:45:46.479> access

jimmy savile had access

jimmy savile had access
to<02:45:47.840> so<02:45:48.080> many<02:45:48.800> teenage<02:45:49.279> girls<02:45:49.680> who<02:45:49.920> were

to so many teenage girls who were

to so many teenage girls who were
like<02:45:50.880> kind<02:45:51.040> of<02:45:51.120> like<02:45:51.760> groupie<02:45:52.399> uh<02:45:52.720> category

like kind of like groupie uh category

like kind of like groupie uh category
back<02:45:53.600> then

back then

back then
that<02:45:54.800> he<02:45:55.040> was<02:45:55.200> supplying<02:45:55.840> these<02:45:56.160> girls

that he was supplying these girls

that he was supplying these girls
to<02:45:57.439> the<02:45:57.600> cops<02:45:58.399> who<02:45:58.560> were<02:45:58.720> attending<02:45:59.120> his

to the cops who were attending his

to the cops who were attending his
lunches

lunches

lunches
okay<02:46:01.520> with<02:46:01.920> like<02:46:02.080> they<02:46:02.240> disappear<02:46:02.720> into<02:46:02.960> rooms

okay with like they disappear into rooms

okay with like they disappear into rooms
in<02:46:03.359> his<02:46:03.520> house<02:46:03.760> with<02:46:03.920> these<02:46:04.160> girls<02:46:04.479> yeah<02:46:04.880> i

in his house with these girls yeah i

in his house with these girls yeah i
mean

mean

mean
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if you read i mean jimmy shadow had a

if you read i mean jimmy shadow had a
few<02:46:09.120> nephews<02:46:09.520> and<02:46:09.600> nieces<02:46:10.080> and<02:46:10.560> one<02:46:10.720> of<02:46:10.880> his

few nephews and nieces and one of his

few nephews and nieces and one of his
nephews

nephews

nephews
um<02:46:13.359> turned<02:46:13.680> up<02:46:13.920> at<02:46:14.240> jimmy's<02:46:14.640> house<02:46:14.960> one<02:46:15.200> day

um turned up at jimmy's house one day

um turned up at jimmy's house one day
and<02:46:16.960> it<02:46:17.040> was<02:46:17.279> noted

and it was noted

and it was noted
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by him that there was other young boys

by him that there was other young boys
and<02:46:20.399> girls<02:46:20.800> there<02:46:21.520> of<02:46:21.760> a<02:46:22.080> minor<02:46:22.560> age<02:46:22.800> and<02:46:22.880> there

and girls there of a minor age and there

and girls there of a minor age and there
were<02:46:23.359> people<02:46:23.680> in<02:46:23.840> high<02:46:24.240> power<02:46:24.560> places<02:46:24.960> that

were people in high power places that

were people in high power places that
were<02:46:25.279> actually<02:46:25.600> there<02:46:25.760> at<02:46:25.920> the<02:46:26.000> time

were actually there at the time

were actually there at the time
um

um

um
he<02:46:30.000> managed<02:46:30.319> somehow<02:46:30.720> to<02:46:30.960> be<02:46:31.279> ushered<02:46:31.760> out

he managed somehow to be ushered out

he managed somehow to be ushered out
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and he had said on camera that he knew

and he had said on camera that he knew
back<02:46:36.000> in<02:46:36.080> the<02:46:36.160> 50s<02:46:36.560> and<02:46:36.720> 60s<02:46:37.200> that

back in the 50s and 60s that

back in the 50s and 60s that
he<02:46:38.640> was<02:46:38.880> a<02:46:38.960> sexual<02:46:39.279> predator

he was a sexual predator

he was a sexual predator
he<02:46:41.120> was<02:46:41.279> grooming<02:46:41.760> young<02:46:41.920> girls<02:46:42.399> boys

he was grooming young girls boys

he was grooming young girls boys
far<02:46:44.080> back<02:46:44.319> then

far back then

far back then
with<02:46:45.359> the<02:46:45.520> police

with the police

with the police
it's<02:46:47.120> the<02:46:47.279> same<02:46:47.600> as<02:46:47.760> the<02:46:48.000> um

never excuse me the the woman who was in

never excuse me the the woman who was in
the<02:46:53.600> 80's<02:46:54.160> who<02:46:54.319> at<02:46:54.479> the

the 80's who at the

the 80's who at the
the<02:46:55.920> whorehouse

the whorehouse

the whorehouse
um

um

um
in<02:46:59.120> america<02:47:00.000> no<02:47:00.240> it<02:47:00.319> was<02:47:00.479> in<02:47:00.560> the<02:47:00.720> it<02:47:00.800> was<02:47:00.960> over

in america no it was in the it was over

in america no it was in the it was over
here<02:47:01.439> she<02:47:01.840> actually<02:47:02.160> does<02:47:02.319> a<02:47:02.399> film<02:47:02.640> about<02:47:02.880> a

here she actually does a film about a

here she actually does a film about a
personal<02:47:03.439> sharpshoot

personal sharpshoot

personal sharpshoot
was<02:47:04.800> the<02:47:04.880> name<02:47:05.120> of<02:47:05.200> the<02:47:05.359> film

was the name of the film

was the name of the film
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and she had the police and everyone in

and she had the police and everyone in
their<02:47:08.399> backhand

their backhand

their backhand
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because the police were at it as well

because the police were at it as well
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so you don't know if there were officers

so you don't know if there were officers
there<02:47:14.560> that<02:47:14.720> were<02:47:14.960> at<02:47:15.200> it

there that were at it

there that were at it
obviously<02:47:16.720> because<02:47:16.960> he<02:47:17.040> was<02:47:17.200> supplying

obviously because he was supplying

obviously because he was supplying
money<02:47:19.040> talks<02:47:20.319> jimmy's<02:47:20.800> big<02:47:21.359> there's<02:47:21.760> power

money talks jimmy's big there's power

money talks jimmy's big there's power
we<02:47:22.960> can<02:47:23.120> gain<02:47:23.439> access<02:47:23.680> to<02:47:23.920> anything<02:47:24.319> we<02:47:24.479> want

we can gain access to anything we want

we can gain access to anything we want
it<02:47:25.680> could<02:47:25.840> be<02:47:26.080> drugs

it could be drugs

it could be drugs
it<02:47:27.680> it

it it

it it
just<02:47:28.800> snowballs

just snowballs

just snowballs
it<02:47:30.720> snowballs

we do know for a fact that one former

we do know for a fact that one former
dunkroft<02:47:36.319> pupil<02:47:36.720> did<02:47:36.960> go<02:47:37.120> to<02:47:37.279> the<02:47:37.359> police<02:47:37.680> in

dunkroft pupil did go to the police in

dunkroft pupil did go to the police in
2007.

2007.

2007.
she<02:47:40.479> reported<02:47:41.040> savile's<02:47:41.439> historic<02:47:41.920> offending

she reported savile's historic offending

she reported savile's historic offending
to<02:47:42.399> surrey<02:47:42.800> police

to surrey police

to surrey police
who<02:47:43.920> did<02:47:44.160> conduct<02:47:44.560> an<02:47:44.720> investigation

who did conduct an investigation

who did conduct an investigation
albeit<02:47:47.120> a<02:47:47.359> highly<02:47:47.920> incompetent<02:47:48.640> one

albeit a highly incompetent one

albeit a highly incompetent one
this<02:47:50.240> investigation<02:47:50.960> started<02:47:51.359> a<02:47:51.439> series<02:47:51.760> of

this investigation started a series of

this investigation started a series of
events<02:47:52.240> that<02:47:52.319> would<02:47:52.479> eventually<02:47:52.880> lead<02:47:53.200> to<02:47:53.359> the

events that would eventually lead to the

events that would eventually lead to the
exposure

exposure

exposure
of<02:47:54.880> the<02:47:55.040> celebrity<02:47:55.600> sex<02:47:55.920> offender

of the celebrity sex offender

of the celebrity sex offender
surrey<02:47:58.640> police<02:47:59.040> registered<02:47:59.439> savile<02:47:59.840> as<02:48:00.000> a

surrey police registered savile as a

surrey police registered savile as a
suspect

suspect

suspect
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and this file was added to their police

and this file was added to their police
computer<02:48:03.520> system<02:48:03.920> for<02:48:04.080> dealing<02:48:04.479> with<02:48:05.040> serious

computer system for dealing with serious

computer system for dealing with serious
crimes

crimes

crimes
they<02:48:07.279> also<02:48:07.600> made<02:48:07.840> contact<02:48:08.240> with<02:48:08.399> west

they also made contact with west

they also made contact with west
yorkshire<02:48:09.040> police

yorkshire police

yorkshire police
where<02:48:10.240> savile<02:48:10.640> was<02:48:10.800> resident

where savile was resident

where savile was resident
to<02:48:12.399> check<02:48:12.720> if<02:48:12.800> there<02:48:13.040> were<02:48:13.600> any<02:48:13.920> intelligence

to check if there were any intelligence

to check if there were any intelligence
on<02:48:14.960> him

on him

on him
the<02:48:17.120> information<02:48:17.680> was<02:48:17.840> not<02:48:18.080> passed<02:48:18.399> on<02:48:18.560> for

the information was not passed on for

the information was not passed on for
several<02:48:19.120> months

a dozen ex-students from duncroft

a dozen ex-students from duncroft
were<02:48:25.040> spoken<02:48:25.600> to

were spoken to

were spoken to
things<02:48:27.200> moved<02:48:27.520> forward<02:48:27.920> when<02:48:28.080> a<02:48:28.160> second

things moved forward when a second

things moved forward when a second
victim<02:48:28.960> confirmed<02:48:29.439> savile's<02:48:29.840> abuse

victim confirmed savile's abuse

victim confirmed savile's abuse
surrey<02:48:32.000> police<02:48:32.319> were<02:48:32.479> dealing<02:48:32.800> with<02:48:32.960> a<02:48:33.040> tricky

surrey police were dealing with a tricky

surrey police were dealing with a tricky
situation

situation

situation
they<02:48:35.680> knew<02:48:35.920> he<02:48:36.080> had<02:48:36.399> expensive<02:48:37.120> lawyers

they knew he had expensive lawyers

they knew he had expensive lawyers
they<02:48:39.040> knew<02:48:39.279> the<02:48:39.439> backlash<02:48:40.000> that<02:48:40.160> would<02:48:40.319> engulf

they knew the backlash that would engulf

they knew the backlash that would engulf
them<02:48:40.960> if<02:48:41.120> things<02:48:41.439> went<02:48:41.680> wrong

them if things went wrong

them if things went wrong
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also the victims were aware of savile's

also the victims were aware of savile's
power<02:48:45.760> and<02:48:46.000> influence

power and influence

power and influence
and<02:48:48.080> both<02:48:48.319> women<02:48:48.560> were<02:48:48.720> reluctant<02:48:49.279> to<02:48:49.439> give

and both women were reluctant to give

and both women were reluctant to give
any<02:48:50.080> evidence

any evidence

any evidence
they<02:48:52.000> didn't<02:48:52.319> realize<02:48:52.800> it<02:48:52.960> at<02:48:53.040> the<02:48:53.200> time<02:48:53.439> but

they didn't realize it at the time but

they didn't realize it at the time but
by<02:48:53.760> giving<02:48:54.080> evidence

by giving evidence

by giving evidence
other<02:48:55.600> victims<02:48:56.000> would<02:48:56.240> have<02:48:56.399> found

other victims would have found

other victims would have found
the<02:48:57.840> courage<02:48:58.240> to<02:48:58.399> come<02:48:58.640> forward

the courage to come forward

the courage to come forward
we<02:49:00.399> have<02:49:00.560> seen<02:49:00.800> this<02:49:00.960> happen<02:49:01.279> with<02:49:01.439> similar

we have seen this happen with similar

we have seen this happen with similar
cases<02:49:02.240> involving<02:49:02.640> powerful<02:49:03.040> people<02:49:03.279> like

cases involving powerful people like

cases involving powerful people like
harvey<02:49:03.920> weinstein

harvey weinstein

harvey weinstein
or<02:49:06.080> bill<02:49:06.319> cosby

or bill cosby

or bill cosby
multiple<02:49:08.319> victims<02:49:08.800> coming<02:49:09.120> together<02:49:09.439> would

multiple victims coming together would

multiple victims coming together would
have<02:49:09.760> made<02:49:10.000> a<02:49:10.080> stronger<02:49:10.840> case<02:49:11.840> in<02:49:12.080> savile's

have made a stronger case in savile's

have made a stronger case in savile's
case<02:49:12.800> hundreds<02:49:13.279> would<02:49:13.439> have<02:49:13.520> come<02:49:13.840> forward

case hundreds would have come forward

case hundreds would have come forward
it<02:49:15.120> was<02:49:15.279> a<02:49:15.359> massive<02:49:15.760> mistake<02:49:16.240> by<02:49:16.399> surrey

it was a massive mistake by surrey

it was a massive mistake by surrey
police<02:49:17.520> not<02:49:17.680> to<02:49:17.840> realize<02:49:18.319> that<02:49:18.560> point

police not to realize that point

police not to realize that point
so<02:49:20.000> you<02:49:20.080> mentioned<02:49:20.640> the<02:49:20.800> royal<02:49:21.279> protection

so you mentioned the royal protection

so you mentioned the royal protection
and<02:49:21.920> political<02:49:22.319> protection<02:49:22.800> that<02:49:22.960> he<02:49:23.120> had

and political protection that he had

and political protection that he had
when<02:49:24.399> i<02:49:24.560> read<02:49:25.200> um<02:49:25.439> princess<02:49:25.760> dei<02:49:26.080> in<02:49:26.160> her<02:49:26.319> own

when i read um princess dei in her own

when i read um princess dei in her own
words<02:49:26.720> the<02:49:26.880> book

words the book

words the book
she<02:49:28.080> talks<02:49:28.319> about<02:49:28.560> when<02:49:28.720> she's<02:49:28.960> having

she talks about when she's having

she talks about when she's having
trouble<02:49:29.680> with<02:49:29.920> charles

trouble with charles

trouble with charles
savile's<02:49:31.439> brought<02:49:31.680> in<02:49:31.840> as<02:49:32.000> like<02:49:32.160> a<02:49:32.319> marriage

savile's brought in as like a marriage

savile's brought in as like a marriage
guidance<02:49:33.600> counselor

guidance counselor

guidance counselor
how<02:49:35.120> does<02:49:35.359> someone<02:49:35.760> who<02:49:35.920> just<02:49:36.160> was<02:49:36.399> a<02:49:36.880> dj<02:49:37.359> from

how does someone who just was a dj from

how does someone who just was a dj from
the<02:49:37.680> north<02:49:38.399> poor<02:49:38.840> background<02:49:40.319> enter

the north poor background enter

the north poor background enter
the<02:49:41.840> highest<02:49:42.319> level<02:49:42.640> of<02:49:42.800> royal<02:49:43.200> circles

the highest level of royal circles

the highest level of royal circles
without<02:49:44.319> some<02:49:44.800> background<02:49:45.439> check<02:49:45.760> and<02:49:45.920> yeah

without some background check and yeah

without some background check and yeah
you<02:49:46.640> know<02:49:46.960> isn't<02:49:47.200> this

you know isn't this

you know isn't this
doesn't<02:49:48.319> mi5<02:49:48.800> mi6<02:49:49.279> look<02:49:49.439> at<02:49:49.600> these<02:49:49.840> guys

doesn't mi5 mi6 look at these guys

doesn't mi5 mi6 look at these guys
anyone<02:49:50.560> who<02:49:50.800> goes<02:49:51.040> in<02:49:51.200> there<02:49:51.359> or<02:49:51.439> the<02:49:51.520> royal

anyone who goes in there or the royal

anyone who goes in there or the royal
protection<02:49:52.160> please<02:49:52.319> look<02:49:52.479> at<02:49:52.560> anyone<02:49:52.880> who's

protection please look at anyone who's

protection please look at anyone who's
going<02:49:53.040> to<02:49:53.120> go<02:49:53.279> in<02:49:53.359> there<02:49:53.520> and<02:49:54.080> see<02:49:54.240> their

going to go in there and see their

going to go in there and see their
entire<02:49:54.800> history<02:49:55.279> and<02:49:55.760> filter<02:49:56.080> people<02:49:56.399> like

entire history and filter people like

entire history and filter people like
this<02:49:56.800> out

this out

this out
so<02:49:58.319> um<02:49:58.800> i<02:49:58.880> mean<02:49:59.040> there's<02:49:59.279> lots<02:49:59.520> of<02:49:59.680> issues

so um i mean there's lots of issues

so um i mean there's lots of issues
there<02:50:00.080> but<02:50:00.319> in<02:50:00.399> terms<02:50:00.800> of<02:50:01.279> why<02:50:01.520> he<02:50:01.760> ended<02:50:02.000> up

there but in terms of why he ended up

there but in terms of why he ended up
becoming<02:50:02.479> a<02:50:02.560> bit<02:50:02.640> of<02:50:02.800> a<02:50:02.880> confidant<02:50:03.359> for<02:50:03.520> prince

becoming a bit of a confidant for prince

becoming a bit of a confidant for prince
charles<02:50:04.080> so<02:50:04.240> the<02:50:04.319> duke<02:50:04.560> of<02:50:04.720> edinburgh<02:50:05.279> uh

charles so the duke of edinburgh uh

charles so the duke of edinburgh uh
personally<02:50:06.240> asked

personally asked

personally asked
savile<02:50:07.600> if<02:50:07.680> he<02:50:07.920> would<02:50:08.399> give<02:50:08.640> some<02:50:08.880> guidance<02:50:09.439> to

savile if he would give some guidance to

savile if he would give some guidance to
prince<02:50:10.240> charles<02:50:10.720> in<02:50:10.800> relation<02:50:11.200> his<02:50:11.680> into<02:50:12.240> his

prince charles in relation his into his

prince charles in relation his into his
relationship<02:50:13.359> with

relationship with

relationship with
lady<02:50:14.479> diana<02:50:15.359> now<02:50:15.520> of<02:50:15.600> course<02:50:16.240> if<02:50:16.319> you<02:50:16.479> look<02:50:16.640> at

lady diana now of course if you look at

lady diana now of course if you look at
that

that

that
on<02:50:17.840> the<02:50:18.240> outside<02:50:18.720> you<02:50:18.880> might<02:50:18.960> go<02:50:19.120> okay<02:50:19.359> that's

on the outside you might go okay that's

on the outside you might go okay that's
fair<02:50:19.680> enough<02:50:20.160> but<02:50:20.319> then<02:50:20.560> look<02:50:20.800> about<02:50:21.520> jimmy

fair enough but then look about jimmy

fair enough but then look about jimmy
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savol jimmy savile had never had a

savol jimmy savile had never had a
former<02:50:24.640> formal<02:50:25.120> relationship<02:50:25.600> with<02:50:25.840> anybody

former formal relationship with anybody

former formal relationship with anybody
he<02:50:26.800> was<02:50:27.040> single<02:50:27.680> he<02:50:27.920> was

he was single he was

he was single he was
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weird at best

weird at best
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he had had previous allegations made

he had had previous allegations made
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against him now of course i'm not

against him now of course i'm not
suggesting<02:50:35.680> and<02:50:35.760> there's<02:50:36.000> no<02:50:36.240> evidence<02:50:37.040> that

suggesting and there's no evidence that

suggesting and there's no evidence that
the<02:50:37.359> duke<02:50:37.600> of<02:50:37.760> edinburgh<02:50:38.080> knew<02:50:38.319> anything

the duke of edinburgh knew anything

the duke of edinburgh knew anything
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about that he just simply saw him as

about that he just simply saw him as
this<02:50:41.040> this

this this

this this
larger-than-life<02:50:42.800> character<02:50:43.840> and<02:50:44.080> thought

larger-than-life character and thought

larger-than-life character and thought
that<02:50:44.479> he<02:50:44.640> might<02:50:44.800> be<02:50:44.960> useful<02:50:45.520> for

that he might be useful for

that he might be useful for
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giving some guidance to prince charles

giving some guidance to prince charles
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and of course when you are a royal

and of course when you are a royal
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and particularly more so then than it is

and particularly more so then than it is
now<02:50:53.520> your<02:50:53.920> circle<02:50:54.479> of<02:50:54.960> confidence<02:50:55.600> is<02:50:55.840> really

now your circle of confidence is really

now your circle of confidence is really
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small you really don't know who to trust

small you really don't know who to trust
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so you you have a limited number of

so you you have a limited number of
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people to whom you can share things with

people to whom you can share things with
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and they obviously felt confident that

and they obviously felt confident that
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savile was a safe pair of hands until in

savile was a safe pair of hands until in
order<02:51:09.279> to<02:51:09.439> tell

order to tell

order to tell
and<02:51:10.399> of<02:51:10.479> course<02:51:11.040> savile<02:51:11.840> kept

and of course savile kept

and of course savile kept
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thousands of secrets so yes he was in

thousands of secrets so yes he was in
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one sense a very safe pair of hands but

one sense a very safe pair of hands but
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of course the secrets that he kept

of course the secrets that he kept
primarily

primarily

primarily
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were for his own benefit and also in

were for his own benefit and also in
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relation to his own offending so you can

relation to his own offending so you can
see<02:51:27.680> why<02:51:27.840> he<02:51:28.000> got<02:51:28.240> involved<02:51:28.720> in<02:51:28.800> that

see why he got involved in that

see why he got involved in that
why<02:51:29.840> did<02:51:30.080> mi5<02:51:30.800> why<02:51:31.040> did<02:51:31.840> the

why did mi5 why did the

why did mi5 why did the
um

um

um
monarchy<02:51:35.120> not<02:51:35.520> know<02:51:35.760> about<02:51:36.479> his<02:51:37.120> offending

monarchy not know about his offending

monarchy not know about his offending
behavior<02:51:38.399> again

behavior again

behavior again
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what we don't know and it's never been

what we don't know and it's never been
never<02:51:42.160> been

never been

never been
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as any of the reports is the totality of

as any of the reports is the totality of
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who knew what within the government

who knew what within the government
organizations<02:51:50.319> and<02:51:50.399> particularly<02:51:50.880> with<02:51:51.040> the

organizations and particularly with the

organizations and particularly with the
honors<02:51:51.520> et<02:51:51.600> cetera<02:51:52.240> who<02:51:52.399> knew<02:51:52.720> what<02:51:53.040> about

honors et cetera who knew what about

honors et cetera who knew what about
savile<02:51:54.240> savile<02:51:54.640> had<02:51:55.200> an<02:51:55.439> individual

savile savile had an individual

savile savile had an individual
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who was promoting him in every element

who was promoting him in every element
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within whitehall as far as getting him

within whitehall as far as getting him
to<02:52:03.439> the<02:52:03.600> honors<02:52:04.000> area<02:52:04.560> i<02:52:04.640> mean<02:52:04.800> he<02:52:04.880> was

to the honors area i mean he was

to the honors area i mean he was
decorated<02:52:05.600> in<02:52:05.760> every<02:52:06.160> element<02:52:06.640> he<02:52:06.800> was<02:52:07.040> a

decorated in every element he was a

decorated in every element he was a
papal<02:52:07.520> knight<02:52:08.319> he<02:52:08.560> was<02:52:08.800> sir

papal knight he was sir

papal knight he was sir
oba<02:52:10.160> he<02:52:10.240> was<02:52:10.399> the<02:52:10.640> lot<02:52:10.960> i<02:52:11.040> don't<02:52:11.200> think<02:52:11.279> there

oba he was the lot i don't think there

oba he was the lot i don't think there
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was anything else he didn't have so he

was anything else he didn't have so he
had<02:52:13.760> backing<02:52:14.160> within<02:52:14.560> whitehall<02:52:14.960> here

had backing within whitehall here

had backing within whitehall here
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backing within government and i think as

backing within government and i think as
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a result of that and because of his

a result of that and because of his
status<02:52:19.760> this<02:52:20.000> is<02:52:20.160> a<02:52:20.240> man<02:52:20.560> who<02:52:20.720> was<02:52:20.880> elevated<02:52:21.359> to

status this is a man who was elevated to

status this is a man who was elevated to
a<02:52:21.600> status<02:52:22.240> of<02:52:22.960> of<02:52:23.200> effective<02:52:24.240> almost<02:52:24.640> royalty

a status of of effective almost royalty

a status of of effective almost royalty
royalty<02:52:25.520> within<02:52:25.680> television<02:52:26.160> anyway

royalty within television anyway

royalty within television anyway
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that made him untouchable and i think

that made him untouchable and i think
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what it also meant is that people didn't

what it also meant is that people didn't
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ask questions they took it as a given

ask questions they took it as a given
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that he was okay without saying but is

that he was okay without saying but is
he

he

he
is<02:52:39.439> this<02:52:39.680> the<02:52:39.840> right<02:52:40.080> person<02:52:40.399> that<02:52:40.560> we<02:52:40.720> want

is this the right person that we want

is this the right person that we want
ultimately<02:52:43.040> in<02:52:43.160> 2009<02:52:44.640> the<02:52:44.880> crown<02:52:45.359> prosecution

ultimately in 2009 the crown prosecution

ultimately in 2009 the crown prosecution
service<02:52:46.640> killed<02:52:47.040> the<02:52:47.279> investigation

service killed the investigation

service killed the investigation
by<02:52:49.120> making<02:52:49.439> the<02:52:49.600> decision<02:52:50.319> not<02:52:50.479> to<02:52:50.560> go<02:52:50.720> ahead

by making the decision not to go ahead

by making the decision not to go ahead
with<02:52:51.200> the<02:52:51.359> case

a cps lawyer recommended the police

a cps lawyer recommended the police
should<02:52:56.880> make<02:52:57.120> contact<02:52:57.520> with<02:52:57.760> savile

should make contact with savile

should make contact with savile
to<02:52:58.880> inform<02:52:59.359> him<02:52:59.520> about<02:52:59.760> the<02:52:59.840> allegations

to inform him about the allegations

to inform him about the allegations
the<02:53:02.560> senior<02:53:03.040> officer<02:53:03.439> on<02:53:03.520> the<02:53:03.600> case<02:53:03.920> wrote<02:53:04.160> to

the senior officer on the case wrote to

the senior officer on the case wrote to
seville

seville

seville
and<02:53:05.520> received<02:53:06.000> a<02:53:06.080> phone<02:53:06.399> call

and received a phone call

and received a phone call
from<02:53:08.160> jimmy<02:53:08.560> himself

from jimmy himself

from jimmy himself
what's<02:53:11.439> interesting<02:53:12.080> is<02:53:12.240> that<02:53:12.479> savile<02:53:12.880> stated

what's interesting is that savile stated

what's interesting is that savile stated
that<02:53:13.520> he<02:53:13.760> had<02:53:14.080> a

that he had a

that he had a
west<02:53:16.080> yorkshire<02:53:16.800> inspector

west yorkshire inspector

west yorkshire inspector
who<02:53:18.399> usually<02:53:18.800> deals<02:53:19.200> with<02:53:19.359> this<02:53:19.600> sort<02:53:19.920> of

who usually deals with this sort of

who usually deals with this sort of
thing

thing

thing
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the<02:53:22.560> inspector<02:53:23.120> in<02:53:23.279> question<02:53:23.760> contacted

the inspector in question contacted

the inspector in question contacted
surrey<02:53:24.720> police<02:53:25.040> shortly<02:53:25.439> after

surrey police shortly after

surrey police shortly after
and<02:53:27.120> told<02:53:27.439> his<02:53:27.600> counterpart<02:53:28.319> that<02:53:28.560> savile<02:53:29.279> was

and told his counterpart that savile was

and told his counterpart that savile was
a<02:53:29.600> personal<02:53:30.160> friend

a personal friend

a personal friend
he<02:53:32.399> also<02:53:32.720> revealed<02:53:33.120> that<02:53:33.359> seville<02:53:33.760> got

he also revealed that seville got

he also revealed that seville got
so<02:53:35.200> many<02:53:35.520> of<02:53:35.600> these<02:53:35.920> types<02:53:36.240> of<02:53:36.399> complaints

surrey police found these comments

surrey police found these comments
highly<02:53:41.920> unusual<02:53:42.640> and<02:53:42.720> requested<02:53:43.279> information

highly unusual and requested information

highly unusual and requested information
on<02:53:44.160> any<02:53:44.479> allegations<02:53:45.200> against<02:53:45.520> savile

on any allegations against savile

on any allegations against savile
as<02:53:46.960> they<02:53:47.120> wanted<02:53:47.439> to<02:53:47.600> build<02:53:47.920> their<02:53:48.080> own

as they wanted to build their own

as they wanted to build their own
intelligence<02:53:48.960> picture

intelligence picture

intelligence picture
west<02:53:51.200> yorkshire<02:53:51.680> police<02:53:52.000> still<02:53:52.160> didn't

west yorkshire police still didn't

west yorkshire police still didn't
forward<02:53:52.880> anything

months passed and surrey police had to

months passed and surrey police had to
formally<02:53:58.720> request<02:53:59.200> to<02:53:59.359> interview<02:53:59.760> savile

formally request to interview savile

formally request to interview savile
under<02:54:00.800> caution

under caution

under caution
arrangements<02:54:03.359> were<02:54:03.600> made<02:54:03.840> to<02:54:03.920> conduct<02:54:04.319> the

arrangements were made to conduct the

arrangements were made to conduct the
interview<02:54:04.720> at<02:54:04.800> stockmandeville

interview at stockmandeville

interview at stockmandeville
on<02:54:07.439> first<02:54:07.760> of<02:54:07.840> october<02:54:08.399> 2009

on first of october 2009

on first of october 2009
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of course savile dominated the interview

of course savile dominated the interview
the<02:54:15.040> two<02:54:15.279> female<02:54:15.760> officers<02:54:16.160> from<02:54:16.319> surrey

the two female officers from surrey

the two female officers from surrey
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police set the tone by asking if it was

police set the tone by asking if it was
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okay to call savile jimmy

okay to call savile jimmy
for<02:54:22.080> the<02:54:22.240> entire<02:54:22.880> interview

for the entire interview

for the entire interview
they<02:54:24.399> deferred<02:54:24.880> to<02:54:25.040> the<02:54:25.200> famous<02:54:25.760> pedophile

they deferred to the famous pedophile

they deferred to the famous pedophile
who<02:54:27.439> regaled<02:54:28.000> the<02:54:28.160> officers<02:54:28.560> with<02:54:28.800> tales<02:54:29.200> of

who regaled the officers with tales of

who regaled the officers with tales of
his<02:54:29.520> fundraising

his fundraising

his fundraising
and<02:54:31.040> television<02:54:31.760> work

and television work

and television work
one<02:54:34.319> of<02:54:34.399> the<02:54:34.479> officers<02:54:34.880> put<02:54:35.120> the<02:54:35.279> three

one of the officers put the three

one of the officers put the three
allegations<02:54:36.160> to<02:54:36.319> savile

allegations to savile

allegations to savile
two<02:54:38.160> relating<02:54:38.560> to<02:54:38.720> duncroft<02:54:39.760> one<02:54:40.160> to<02:54:40.399> stoke

two relating to duncroft one to stoke

two relating to duncroft one to stoke
mandeville

mandeville

mandeville
savile<02:54:43.040> flatly<02:54:43.520> denied<02:54:44.000> each<02:54:44.240> allegation<02:54:44.880> as

savile flatly denied each allegation as

savile flatly denied each allegation as
they<02:54:45.200> were<02:54:45.359> read<02:54:45.600> out

they were read out

they were read out
he<02:54:47.760> was<02:54:48.000> not<02:54:48.240> pressed<02:54:48.640> on<02:54:48.800> any<02:54:48.960> of<02:54:49.040> his<02:54:49.200> answers

he was not pressed on any of his answers

he was not pressed on any of his answers
and<02:54:50.800> he<02:54:50.960> turned<02:54:51.279> the<02:54:51.439> tables<02:54:51.920> by<02:54:52.160> warning<02:54:52.640> of

and he turned the tables by warning of

and he turned the tables by warning of
the<02:54:52.880> expensive<02:54:53.520> lawyers<02:54:53.920> he<02:54:54.160> employed<02:54:55.200> who

the expensive lawyers he employed who

the expensive lawyers he employed who
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could take a case to the old bailey

could take a case to the old bailey
if<02:54:58.000> things<02:54:58.240> were<02:54:58.399> to<02:54:58.560> go<02:54:58.720> any<02:54:58.960> further

revealingly he talked about his close

revealingly he talked about his close
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connections with west yorkshire police

connections with west yorkshire police
stating

stating

stating
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we showbiz people get accused of just

we showbiz people get accused of just
about<02:55:10.640> everything

about everything

about everything
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that's why i have up in yorkshire

that's why i have up in yorkshire
a<02:55:15.920> collection<02:55:16.479> of<02:55:16.720> senior<02:55:17.279> police<02:55:17.680> persons

a collection of senior police persons

a collection of senior police persons
who<02:55:19.279> come<02:55:19.439> to<02:55:19.600> see<02:55:19.840> me<02:55:20.160> socially

who come to see me socially

who come to see me socially
but<02:55:22.240> i<02:55:22.479> give<02:55:22.720> them<02:55:22.960> all<02:55:23.200> my<02:55:23.439> weirdo<02:55:24.000> letters

but i give them all my weirdo letters

but i give them all my weirdo letters
and<02:55:25.520> they<02:55:25.760> take<02:55:26.000> them<02:55:26.240> back<02:55:26.479> to<02:55:26.640> the<02:55:26.800> station

so that was that then surrey police had

so that was that then surrey police had
allegations<02:55:33.680> from<02:55:33.920> three<02:55:34.160> different<02:55:34.560> women

allegations from three different women

allegations from three different women
saying<02:55:35.920> that<02:55:36.080> he<02:55:36.240> had<02:55:36.399> sexually<02:55:36.880> assaulted

saying that he had sexually assaulted

saying that he had sexually assaulted
them<02:55:38.080> in<02:55:38.240> the<02:55:38.399> past

them in the past

them in the past
jimmy<02:55:40.080> savile<02:55:40.479> said<02:55:40.720> this<02:55:40.880> was<02:55:41.040> simply<02:55:41.439> not

jimmy savile said this was simply not

jimmy savile said this was simply not
true

true

true
sorry<02:55:43.200> police<02:55:43.439> then<02:55:43.680> wrote<02:55:43.920> letters<02:55:44.240> to<02:55:44.319> the

sorry police then wrote letters to the

sorry police then wrote letters to the
three<02:55:44.640> accusers<02:55:45.040> to<02:55:45.279> inform<02:55:45.680> them<02:55:46.160> of<02:55:46.319> the

three accusers to inform them of the

three accusers to inform them of the
outcome<02:55:46.880> of<02:55:46.960> the<02:55:47.120> case

outcome of the case

outcome of the case
operation<02:55:49.439> ornament<02:55:50.000> was<02:55:50.240> closed

operation ornament was closed

operation ornament was closed
what's<02:55:52.720> shocking<02:55:53.279> is<02:55:53.439> that<02:55:53.680> nothing<02:55:54.080> was

what's shocking is that nothing was

what's shocking is that nothing was
followed<02:55:54.720> up

followed up

followed up
[Music]

[Music]

[Music]
the<02:55:56.640> officers<02:55:57.120> simply<02:55:57.520> took<02:55:57.760> savile's<02:55:58.240> denial

the officers simply took savile's denial

the officers simply took savile's denial
and<02:55:59.279> left<02:55:59.680> it<02:55:59.840> there

and left it there

and left it there
his<02:56:02.080> word<02:56:02.640> was<02:56:02.880> more<02:56:03.120> powerful

his word was more powerful

his word was more powerful
than<02:56:04.880> the<02:56:05.040> testimonies<02:56:06.160> of<02:56:06.399> three<02:56:06.720> accusers

before operation utree

before operation utree
theresa<02:56:13.600> may

theresa may

theresa may
home<02:56:15.200> secretary<02:56:15.600> at<02:56:15.680> the<02:56:15.840> time

home secretary at the time

home secretary at the time
commissioned<02:56:17.359> the<02:56:17.439> review<02:56:17.920> by<02:56:18.160> hmic

commissioned the review by hmic

commissioned the review by hmic
to<02:56:20.319> establish

to establish

to establish
which<02:56:22.479> police<02:56:22.880> forces<02:56:23.439> received<02:56:23.920> reports

which police forces received reports

which police forces received reports
and<02:56:25.520> or

and or

and or
allegations<02:56:27.279> in<02:56:27.439> respect<02:56:27.920> of<02:56:28.080> jimmy<02:56:28.399> seville

all 43 police forces in england and

all 43 police forces in england and
wales<02:56:35.200> were<02:56:35.439> involved<02:56:35.840> in<02:56:35.920> the<02:56:36.080> 2013<02:56:36.880> report

wales were involved in the 2013 report

wales were involved in the 2013 report
records<02:56:39.520> showed<02:56:39.840> only<02:56:40.160> five<02:56:40.399> allegations<02:56:41.040> of

records showed only five allegations of

records showed only five allegations of
sexual<02:56:41.600> assault<02:56:41.920> by<02:56:42.080> jimmy<02:56:42.399> savile<02:56:43.279> between

sexual assault by jimmy savile between

sexual assault by jimmy savile between
1955<02:56:45.439> and<02:56:45.600> 2009

1955 and 2009

1955 and 2009
had<02:56:47.359> been<02:56:47.600> recorded<02:56:48.080> by<02:56:48.319> police<02:56:48.720> forces

had been recorded by police forces

had been recorded by police forces
three<02:56:50.399> forces<02:56:50.800> had<02:56:51.040> in<02:56:51.120> fact<02:56:51.520> investigated

three forces had in fact investigated

three forces had in fact investigated
savile<02:56:52.560> in<02:56:52.640> his<02:56:52.840> lifetime<02:56:54.080> the<02:56:54.240> met

savile in his lifetime the met

savile in his lifetime the met
2003

2003

2003
sorry

sorry

sorry
2007-2009

2007-2009

2007-2009
sussex

sussex

sussex
2008

any intelligent unsavol from any police

any intelligent unsavol from any police
force<02:57:09.040> in<02:57:09.120> the<02:57:09.279> country

force in the country

force in the country
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should have been given to west yorkshire

should have been given to west yorkshire
police<02:57:13.040> where<02:57:13.279> savile<02:57:13.680> resided

police where savile resided

police where savile resided
yet<02:57:15.520> they<02:57:15.760> claimed<02:57:16.080> to<02:57:16.240> know<02:57:16.479> nothing<02:57:16.880> about

yet they claimed to know nothing about

yet they claimed to know nothing about
his<02:57:17.359> dark<02:57:17.760> side

his dark side

his dark side
hmic<02:57:20.720> concluded<02:57:21.279> its<02:57:21.439> report<02:57:21.760> by<02:57:21.920> stating

hmic concluded its report by stating

hmic concluded its report by stating
that

that

that
police<02:57:24.319> officers<02:57:24.880> in<02:57:24.960> west<02:57:25.279> yorkshire

police officers in west yorkshire

police officers in west yorkshire
may<02:57:26.640> have<02:57:26.720> been<02:57:27.120> inappropriately<02:57:28.160> close<02:57:28.399> to

may have been inappropriately close to

may have been inappropriately close to
several

several

several
this<02:57:31.040> shows<02:57:31.439> negligence<02:57:32.160> on<02:57:32.319> a<02:57:32.399> grand<02:57:33.040> scale

this shows negligence on a grand scale

this shows negligence on a grand scale
possibly<02:57:34.840> worse<02:57:35.840> did<02:57:36.479> certain<02:57:37.040> individuals

possibly worse did certain individuals

possibly worse did certain individuals
cover<02:57:38.160> up<02:57:38.240> for<02:57:38.479> savile

cover up for savile

cover up for savile
now<02:57:40.399> we'll<02:57:40.640> never<02:57:40.960> know

now we'll never know

now we'll never know
what<02:57:43.359> we<02:57:43.520> do<02:57:43.680> know<02:57:43.920> is<02:57:44.080> that<02:57:44.240> intelligence

what we do know is that intelligence

what we do know is that intelligence
unsavol<02:57:45.120> wasn't<02:57:45.359> shared<02:57:45.600> amongst<02:57:45.920> police

unsavol wasn't shared amongst police

unsavol wasn't shared amongst police
forces

forces

forces
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and if it was shared with west yorkshire

and if it was shared with west yorkshire
police<02:57:50.160> those<02:57:50.479> records<02:57:51.040> vanished

did someone high up in that force

did someone high up in that force
intercept<02:57:56.560> reports<02:57:56.960> and<02:57:57.120> intelligence

intercept reports and intelligence

intercept reports and intelligence
on<02:57:58.640> behalf<02:57:59.040> of<02:57:59.279> seville

on behalf of seville

on behalf of seville
possibly

possibly

possibly
west<02:58:03.040> yorkshire<02:58:03.439> police<02:58:03.680> cleared<02:58:04.000> themselves

west yorkshire police cleared themselves

west yorkshire police cleared themselves
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of any blame in the whole of fur

of any blame in the whole of fur
when<02:58:06.800> they<02:58:07.040> investigated<02:58:07.840> themselves<02:58:08.720> in<02:58:08.800> the

when they investigated themselves in the

when they investigated themselves in the
wake<02:58:09.279> of<02:58:09.359> the<02:58:09.520> scandal

wake of the scandal

wake of the scandal
operation<02:58:12.080> new<02:58:12.399> green<02:58:12.720> was<02:58:12.960> merely<02:58:13.359> an

operation new green was merely an

operation new green was merely an
exercise<02:58:14.080> in<02:58:14.160> damage<02:58:14.560> limitation<02:58:15.200> and<02:58:15.359> blame

exercise in damage limitation and blame

exercise in damage limitation and blame
shifting

shifting

shifting
yet<02:58:18.479> retired<02:58:19.040> officers<02:58:19.520> from

yet retired officers from

yet retired officers from
and<02:58:20.880> others<02:58:21.200> who<02:58:21.359> spoke<02:58:21.760> anonymously

and others who spoke anonymously

and others who spoke anonymously
offered<02:58:23.600> a<02:58:23.680> different<02:58:24.080> picture

offered a different picture

offered a different picture
and<02:58:25.760> apparently<02:58:26.240> if<02:58:26.399> a<02:58:26.479> complaint<02:58:26.960> came<02:58:27.200> in

and apparently if a complaint came in

and apparently if a complaint came in
about<02:58:27.520> him<02:58:27.680> across<02:58:28.000> the<02:58:28.160> country

about him across the country

about him across the country
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it was reported to his home jurisdiction

it was reported to his home jurisdiction
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yeah and there was one cop in charge of

yeah and there was one cop in charge of
receiving<02:58:34.880> those<02:58:35.120> incoming<02:58:35.600> complaints

receiving those incoming complaints

receiving those incoming complaints
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and that was a cop that attended his

and that was a cop that attended his
weekly<02:58:38.640> lunches<02:58:39.279> yeah

weekly lunches yeah

weekly lunches yeah
yeah

yeah

yeah
you<02:58:41.279> couldn't<02:58:41.760> you<02:58:41.920> could<02:58:42.160> not<02:58:42.479> make<02:58:42.720> this<02:58:43.040> up

you couldn't you could not make this up

you couldn't you could not make this up
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i mean it jimmy uh from the start he had

i mean it jimmy uh from the start he had
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everyone eating out of his hand he was

everyone eating out of his hand he was
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literally i probably guarantee you sean

literally i probably guarantee you sean
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that if he was sitting in front of you

that if he was sitting in front of you
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you could be taken in by him

you could be taken in by him
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you know you're talking about a man that

you know you're talking about a man that
was<02:58:59.279> knighted<02:58:59.600> by<02:58:59.840> the<02:59:00.080> pope

was knighted by the pope

was knighted by the pope
that<02:59:01.359> had<02:59:01.840> a

that had a

that had a
kgb<02:59:03.680> um

kgb um

kgb um
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he ain't even had to state yourself

he ain't even had to state yourself
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being an honorary admiral for the navy

being an honorary admiral for the navy
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he had a green beret from the royal

he had a green beret from the royal
marines

marines

marines
this<02:59:12.640> is<02:59:12.800> the<02:59:12.960> extent<02:59:13.359> of<02:59:13.439> this<02:59:13.840> guy

this is the extent of this guy

this is the extent of this guy
um

um

um
put<02:59:16.240> himself<02:59:16.800> out<02:59:16.960> there

put himself out there

put himself out there
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you're not going to argue with someone

you're not going to argue with someone
who's

who's

who's
who's<02:59:21.359> that<02:59:21.600> way<02:59:22.080> you<02:59:22.160> know<02:59:22.319> i<02:59:22.479> mean<02:59:23.040> and<02:59:23.200> there

who's that way you know i mean and there

who's that way you know i mean and there
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was it's money talks i mean i do believe

was it's money talks i mean i do believe
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that it was money that i talked to that

that it was money that i talked to that
that<02:59:27.920> police<02:59:28.240> officer<02:59:29.200> because<02:59:29.439> you've<02:59:29.520> got

that police officer because you've got

that police officer because you've got
to<02:59:29.680> bear<02:59:29.840> in<02:59:29.920> mind<02:59:30.160> that<02:59:30.319> particular<02:59:30.800> times

to bear in mind that particular times

to bear in mind that particular times
backhanders

backhanders

backhanders
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we've all seen the tv programs we all

we've all seen the tv programs we all
know<02:59:36.319> the<02:59:36.479> story<02:59:36.880> about<02:59:37.040> the<02:59:37.120> backhanders<02:59:37.760> the

know the story about the backhanders the

know the story about the backhanders the
people<02:59:38.720> in<02:59:38.800> the<02:59:39.040> in<02:59:39.200> the<02:59:39.359> met<02:59:39.600> police

people in the in the met police

people in the in the met police
savvy<02:59:41.200> please<02:59:41.520> sorry<02:59:41.920> in<02:59:42.080> a<02:59:42.319> answer<02:59:42.720> you<02:59:42.880> know

savvy please sorry in a answer you know

savvy please sorry in a answer you know
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you name it it's backhander so it was

you name it it's backhander so it was
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that culture at the time it's money

that culture at the time it's money
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and he was friends with thatcher he was

and he was friends with thatcher he was
friends<02:59:49.840> with<02:59:50.000> prince<02:59:50.319> charles<02:59:50.720> and<02:59:50.800> on<02:59:50.960> and

friends with prince charles and on and

friends with prince charles and on and
on<02:59:51.279> it<02:59:51.359> went<02:59:51.600> didn't<02:59:51.840> it

on it went didn't it

on it went didn't it
one<02:59:54.240> told<02:59:54.560> newspapers<02:59:55.279> that

one told newspapers that

one told newspapers that
there<02:59:57.040> wasn't<02:59:57.600> a<02:59:57.760> copper<02:59:58.240> in<02:59:58.399> leeds<02:59:59.120> who

there wasn't a copper in leeds who

there wasn't a copper in leeds who
didn't<02:59:59.680> know<03:00:00.000> savile<03:00:00.720> was<03:00:00.960> a<03:00:01.040> pervert

there was talk of an investigation into

there was talk of an investigation into
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savile in the 80s no records were kept

savile in the 80s no records were kept
again<03:00:10.319> we'll<03:00:10.479> never<03:00:10.720> know<03:00:10.960> the<03:00:11.120> truth

again we'll never know the truth

again we'll never know the truth
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what role did his weekly luncheon for

what role did his weekly luncheon for
the<03:00:15.359> police

the police

the police
play

play

play
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in him being able to get away with more

in him being able to get away with more
and<03:00:20.000> more<03:00:20.240> things

power

power
i<03:00:25.359> mean

i mean

i mean
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with with the police you you have got a

with with the police you you have got a
situation<03:00:30.399> where<03:00:30.640> they<03:00:31.040> are

situation where they are

situation where they are
got<03:00:32.160> to<03:00:32.240> be<03:00:32.479> 100

got to be 100

got to be 100
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that they are going to get a conviction

that they are going to get a conviction
with<03:00:35.920> this<03:00:36.080> guy

with this guy

with this guy
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whether it's a cps or the police they've

whether it's a cps or the police they've
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got to be 100 because if it goes to

got to be 100 because if it goes to
court

court

court
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and he's found not guilty

and he's found not guilty
the<03:00:44.800> people<03:00:45.120> that's<03:00:45.279> brought<03:00:45.520> the<03:00:45.680> charges

the people that's brought the charges

the people that's brought the charges
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are going to look stupid their careers

are going to look stupid their careers
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are going to go down the pan

are going to go down the pan
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but this guy's got power and money

but this guy's got power and money
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he's a money-making machine

he's a money-making machine
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he's jimmy several he is the person you

he's jimmy several he is the person you
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were on the radio it can't be jimmy he's

were on the radio it can't be jimmy he's
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too innocent you know what i mean

too innocent you know what i mean
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it's the same as well her head well

it's the same as well her head well
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ferris it couldn't be him he's too

ferris it couldn't be him he's too
innocent

innocent

innocent
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he pulled the wall over the police's

he pulled the wall over the police's
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eyes he pulled the wall over

eyes he pulled the wall over
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politician's eyes

politician's eyes
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big time i mean you you're talking

big time i mean you you're talking
from

from

from
1950

1950

1950
to

to

to
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to uh sorry 1950 say to 1998

to uh sorry 1950 say to 1998
jimmy<03:01:23.760> seville

jimmy seville

jimmy seville
was<03:01:25.279> a<03:01:25.359> sexual<03:01:25.760> predator

a letter dated 13th of july 1998 was

a letter dated 13th of july 1998 was
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sent to the vice squad at scotland yard

sent to the vice squad at scotland yard
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it read

it read
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i supply here information which if

i supply here information which if
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looked into by one of your officers

looked into by one of your officers
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will yield a secret life not unlike that

will yield a secret life not unlike that
of

of

of
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name redacted

name redacted
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i cannot give you my name as i am too

i cannot give you my name as i am too
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closely involved and do not wish to be

closely involved and do not wish to be
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in the limelight

in the limelight
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the<03:01:57.040> letter<03:01:57.359> described<03:01:58.000> savile's

the letter described savile's

the letter described savile's
homosexuality

homosexuality

homosexuality
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and spoke of him being involved with a

and spoke of him being involved with a
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rent boy

rent boy
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who had been given savile's number

who had been given savile's number
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in leeds

in leeds
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the telephone number had been changed

the telephone number had been changed
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after several had

after several had
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received threatening calls from the rent

received threatening calls from the rent
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boy who was going to the press and

boy who was going to the press and
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exposing his pedophilia

exposing his pedophilia
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if he did not give him more money

if he did not give him more money
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the letter continued

the letter continued
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he thinks he is untouchable because of

he thinks he is untouchable because of
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the people he mixes with

the people he mixes with
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it concluded

it concluded
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when jimmy savile falls

when jimmy savile falls
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and soon or later he will

and soon or later he will
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a lot of well-known personalities

a lot of well-known personalities
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the letter was forwarded to the mets

the letter was forwarded to the mets
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organized crime pedophile unit as well

organized crime pedophile unit as well
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as west yorkshire police

as west yorkshire police
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who of course later lost

who of course later lost
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it nothing was followed up

it nothing was followed up
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how easy would it have been to actually

how easy would it have been to actually
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check if savile had in fact changed his

check if savile had in fact changed his
telephone<03:03:05.279> number

telephone number

telephone number
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isn't blackmail worth investigating

isn't blackmail worth investigating
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wasn't it worth digging deeper to find

wasn't it worth digging deeper to find
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out if in fact savile was a practicing

out if in fact savile was a practicing
pedophile

pedophile

pedophile
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the officer who initially took the

the officer who initially took the
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anonymous letters spoken out

anonymous letters spoken out
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and revealed that he did in fact send a

and revealed that he did in fact send a
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copy to west yorkshire police he also

copy to west yorkshire police he also
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revealed that it was common knowledge

revealed that it was common knowledge
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among his colleagues that jimmy savile

among his colleagues that jimmy savile
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was a pedophile

was a pedophile
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he believed that one of his colleagues

he believed that one of his colleagues
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had been investigating savile

had been investigating savile
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the jimmy savile case

the jimmy savile case
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is unique in so many ways

is unique in so many ways
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he was an odd and highly complex

he was an odd and highly complex
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character whom the masses loved

character whom the masses loved
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he was part of our culture synonymous

he was part of our culture synonymous
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with radio one

with radio one
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top of the pops

top of the pops
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we repeated his catchphrases like now

we repeated his catchphrases like now
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we laughed when comedians did

we laughed when comedians did
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impressions of him

impressions of him
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from humble beginnings he reached the

from humble beginnings he reached the
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highest levels of society

highest levels of society
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he was brought in as a marriage guidance

he was brought in as a marriage guidance
counselor

counselor

counselor
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when prince charles

when prince charles
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and diana

and diana
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were having trouble

were having trouble
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it's one thing

it's one thing
to

to

to
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assume that

assume that
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he conned prince charles into

he conned prince charles into
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helping him and princess stein to

helping him and princess stein to
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helping him and

helping him and
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on and on it goes

on and on it goes
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but why on earth would the royal family

but why on earth would the royal family
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bring jimmy savalin as a marriage

bring jimmy savalin as a marriage
guidance<03:04:53.680> counselor

guidance counselor

guidance counselor
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for prince princess diane charles

for prince princess diane charles
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wouldn't you have to have security

wouldn't you have to have security
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clearance and trust at the highest level

clearance and trust at the highest level
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you know as well as i do sean i've

you know as well as i do sean i've
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worked in some secure places and my

worked in some secure places and my
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background is check foley and i mean

background is check foley and i mean
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separately mum and dad you know and

separately mum and dad you know and
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granddad it goes back years upon years

granddad it goes back years upon years
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and they will pull you to bits left

and they will pull you to bits left
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right and center

right and center
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now the horrific thing for me is is that

now the horrific thing for me is is that
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jimmy savile at his own room in clarence

jimmy savile at his own room in clarence
house

house

house
now

now

now
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prince charles and lady diana trusted

prince charles and lady diana trusted
him

him

him
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as well as

as well as
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the queen

the queen
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as well as

as well as
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um the other known

um the other known
andrew

andrew

andrew
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who's uh

who's uh
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currently under investigation

currently under investigation
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but he had his own flat

but he had his own flat
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and the power that he had

and the power that he had
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was he could sack

was he could sack
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prince charles and lady diana's staff

prince charles and lady diana's staff
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which he has done

which he has done
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they trusted him to the extent that they

they trusted him to the extent that they
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could sit down and have a conversation

could sit down and have a conversation
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about their marriage

about their marriage
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he was

he was
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seen as

seen as
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by them as well a demigod

by them as well a demigod
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no jimmy can't do no wrong

no jimmy can't do no wrong
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it's horrific to think that that man was

it's horrific to think that that man was
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around the children or around the future

around the children or around the future
king

you know i mean there's there's no story

you know i mean there's there's no story
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there that suggests anything went on but

there that suggests anything went on but
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if given a chance

if given a chance
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do you think that there's a degree of

do you think that there's a degree of
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looking the other way because if prince

looking the other way because if prince
charles's<03:06:30.880> mentor<03:06:31.359> was<03:06:31.600> lord<03:06:31.840> mountbatten

charles's mentor was lord mountbatten

charles's mentor was lord mountbatten
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yeah yeah who had a history of that

yeah yeah who had a history of that
activity

activity

activity
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do you think there's like an

do you think there's like an
acceptability<03:06:39.439> factor

acceptability factor

acceptability factor
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whereby it's not that's a big deal to

whereby it's not that's a big deal to
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them i mean they've done the background

them i mean they've done the background
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checks on him and they've discovered

checks on him and they've discovered
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this stuff i'm going to say in them days

this stuff i'm going to say in them days
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i mean what you what we've got to

i mean what you what we've got to
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understand is we're living in an age now

understand is we're living in an age now
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where nothing is acceptable

where nothing is acceptable
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okay and it should never been acceptable

okay and it should never been acceptable
anyway

anyway

anyway
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but you're going back to a time in the

but you're going back to a time in the
70s<03:07:00.479> when

70s when

70s when
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you know somebody on top of the pots

you know somebody on top of the pots
will<03:07:04.240> touch<03:07:04.479> somebody's<03:07:04.960> leg<03:07:05.200> or

will touch somebody's leg or

will touch somebody's leg or
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backside or whatever have you seen the

backside or whatever have you seen the
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clip of savile doing that i've seen it

clip of savile doing that i've seen it
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many times many times

many times many times
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i've seen you see him on jim will fix it

i've seen you see him on jim will fix it
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when he certainly got his arms around

when he certainly got his arms around
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the girls and you can see where the

the girls and you can see where the
hands<03:07:16.160> are<03:07:16.240> going<03:07:16.960> and

hands are going and

hands are going and
but

but

but
it

it

it
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it you're talking about the seventies

it you're talking about the seventies
60s

60s

60s
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when women were

when women were
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slightly different to what they are now

slightly different to what they are now
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they wasn't expected

they wasn't expected
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you know they expected to keep quiet

you know they expected to keep quiet
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um not just several you're talking about

um not just several you're talking about
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as you rightly say lord mountbatten

as you rightly say lord mountbatten
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there's history and a royal family of

there's history and a royal family of
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certain things going on you could go

certain things going on you could go
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back to jack the ripper

back to jack the ripper
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you know was a part of the all family

you know was a part of the all family
involved<03:07:52.080> in<03:07:52.240> that

involved in that

involved in that
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there's a lot of secrets there hidden

there's a lot of secrets there hidden
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that we'll never know about

that we'll never know about
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thatcher you know they all

thatcher you know they all
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whether they whether prince charles knew

whether they whether prince charles knew
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what was going on i don't know i can't

what was going on i don't know i can't
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answer that and i can't answer whether

answer that and i can't answer whether
princess<03:08:06.319> diana<03:08:06.720> no<03:08:06.880> you<03:08:07.040> know<03:08:07.200> i<03:08:07.279> mean<03:08:07.439> i<03:08:07.600> just

princess diana no you know i mean i just

princess diana no you know i mean i just
see

see

see
a<03:08:09.200> mask

a mask

a mask
and<03:08:10.720> what<03:08:10.960> was<03:08:11.040> hidden<03:08:11.279> behind<03:08:11.520> the<03:08:11.600> masters

do you think that the royals should have

do you think that the royals should have
done<03:08:21.520> more

done more

done more
uh<03:08:23.120> exercise<03:08:23.760> more<03:08:24.000> scrutiny<03:08:24.720> of<03:08:24.880> his

uh exercise more scrutiny of his

uh exercise more scrutiny of his
background<03:08:25.600> rather<03:08:25.920> than<03:08:26.080> allow<03:08:26.399> him<03:08:27.040> to

background rather than allow him to

background rather than allow him to
access<03:08:27.600> the<03:08:27.760> highest<03:08:28.080> level<03:08:28.399> of<03:08:28.479> their

access the highest level of their

access the highest level of their
circles

i can tell you this that if you try to

i can tell you this that if you try to
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get into a category a prison today

get into a category a prison today
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you will have the most stringent

you will have the most stringent
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security checks done

security checks done
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and then you still might not get in

and then you still might not get in
right

right

right
you're<03:08:46.880> telling<03:08:47.200> me<03:08:47.439> that<03:08:47.600> prince<03:08:48.000> charles

you're telling me that prince charles

you're telling me that prince charles
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with the mi5 and mi6 in his own security

with the mi5 and mi6 in his own security
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staff and own security team and you've

staff and own security team and you've
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got princess die and she's got her

got princess die and she's got her
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entourage and you've got the queen and

entourage and you've got the queen and
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all this mixing about and not one single

all this mixing about and not one single
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one of them had the brains and the wits

one of them had the brains and the wits
to<03:09:03.120> think

to think

to think
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let's do an in-depth security check on

let's do an in-depth security check on
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mr savile before we let him in here let

mr savile before we let him in here let
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alone him with a hundred yards of this

alone him with a hundred yards of this
royal<03:09:11.040> family<03:09:11.600> but<03:09:11.760> no<03:09:11.920> they<03:09:12.080> didn't

royal family but no they didn't

royal family but no they didn't
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and that comes back

and that comes back
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to mountbatten and and it's it's almost

to mountbatten and and it's it's almost
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as if it's like it

as if it's like it
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oh well don't worry about it

oh well don't worry about it
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that's the big question for british

that's the big question for british
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society how did he get away with it

society how did he get away with it
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six decades of abuse and there are

six decades of abuse and there are
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numerous examples from across the

numerous examples from across the
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country and indeed within his own family

country and indeed within his own family
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of where children

of where children
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spoke out tried to tell people in

spoke out tried to tell people in
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authority about what happened but i

authority about what happened but i
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think we were all taken in you could say

think we were all taken in you could say
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but

but
eventually

eventually

eventually
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we learned about his dark side

we learned about his dark side
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he had fooled the entire nation

he had fooled the entire nation
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it took decades to realize how just a

it took decades to realize how just a
prolific<03:10:06.720> sex<03:10:07.040> offender

prolific sex offender

prolific sex offender
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he had been

he had been
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he prayed on everybody dead or alive

he prayed on everybody dead or alive
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what do you mean by that

what do you mean by that
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well he he liked visiting the morgue

well he he liked visiting the morgue
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is that yeah he was an egg fight

is that yeah he was an egg fight
it's<03:10:21.120> been

it's been

it's been
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reported on many occasions he loved

reported on many occasions he loved
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visiting the morgue what would he do in

visiting the morgue what would he do in
the<03:10:26.640> morgue

the morgue

the morgue
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terrible things supposedly but um but he

terrible things supposedly but um but he
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did terrible things to poor there were

did terrible things to poor there were
victims<03:10:33.760> who

victims who

victims who
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complained who'd been suffering in

complained who'd been suffering in
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hospitals who'd got cancer he'd abused

hospitals who'd got cancer he'd abused
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them he didn't care young old man woman

them he didn't care young old man woman
boy<03:10:43.359> girl

boy girl

boy girl
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he was he was unique in that sense

he was he was unique in that sense
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because he was

because he was
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you know jeffrey epstein liked

you know jeffrey epstein liked
young<03:10:52.840> girls

young girls

young girls
jimmy<03:10:54.720> savile<03:10:55.040> just<03:10:55.200> liked<03:10:55.520> anything

the role he had cut out for himself in

the role he had cut out for himself in
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life had given him ample opportunity to

life had given him ample opportunity to
repeat

repeat

repeat
offend

offend

offend
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over time he gained confidence

over time he gained confidence
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increasingly got away with it and became

increasingly got away with it and became
more<03:11:15.040> brazen

more brazen

more brazen
he<03:11:17.439> acted<03:11:17.840> with

impunity with powerful connections in

impunity with powerful connections in
politics

politics

politics
royalty

royalty

royalty
health<03:11:26.880> institutions<03:11:28.319> and<03:11:28.560> the<03:11:28.800> police

health institutions and the police

health institutions and the police
he<03:11:30.160> became<03:11:30.960> untouchable

he became untouchable

he became untouchable
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so<03:11:40.160> i<03:11:40.239> think<03:11:40.399> the<03:11:40.560> biggest<03:11:40.960> problem<03:11:41.279> about

so i think the biggest problem about

so i think the biggest problem about
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savile is that savile we know about

savile is that savile we know about
samvel's<03:11:44.479> offending<03:11:45.120> we<03:11:45.279> know<03:11:45.439> about<03:11:45.600> that

samvel's offending we know about that

samvel's offending we know about that
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very well we know about his impact on

very well we know about his impact on
society

society

society
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but what has been lost

but what has been lost
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is those people that could have stopped

is those people that could have stopped
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it from happening or those people who

it from happening or those people who
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had knowledge about it so out of those

had knowledge about it so out of those
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44 reviews not a single person has been

44 reviews not a single person has been
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held to account everybody has managed to

held to account everybody has managed to
to<03:12:03.120> evade<03:12:03.760> any

to evade any

to evade any
level<03:12:04.720> of<03:12:05.120> real<03:12:05.479> responsibility

level of real responsibility

level of real responsibility
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and i don't think that's right

and i don't think that's right
and<03:12:09.279> i'm<03:12:09.359> not<03:12:09.600> about

and i'm not about

and i'm not about
blaming<03:12:11.120> people

blaming people

blaming people
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but when we make mistakes and when we

but when we make mistakes and when we
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get things wrong i believe we have to be

get things wrong i believe we have to be
accountable

accountable

accountable
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and particularly when we're in positions

and particularly when we're in positions
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of responsibility so if you are a police

of responsibility so if you are a police
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officer and your job is to investigate a

officer and your job is to investigate a
crime

crime

crime
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if you fail to do that properly then you

if you fail to do that properly then you
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need to be held to account for that so

need to be held to account for that so
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when savile was interviewed in 2007 by

when savile was interviewed in 2007 by
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surrey police he was interviewed at

surrey police he was interviewed at
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stoke mandeville hospital

stoke mandeville hospital
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where he had a bed not his house at his

where he had a bed not his house at his
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stoke mandeville hospital he interviewed

stoke mandeville hospital he interviewed
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he did that interview on his terms when

he did that interview on his terms when
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he wanted it

he wanted it
where<03:12:47.840> he<03:12:47.920> wanted<03:12:48.319> it

where he wanted it

where he wanted it
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surrey police did not advise stoke

surrey police did not advise stoke
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mandeville hospital of allegations three

mandeville hospital of allegations three
separate<03:12:55.120> sexual<03:12:55.439> abuse<03:12:55.760> allegations

separate sexual abuse allegations

separate sexual abuse allegations
against<03:12:56.720> him

against him

against him
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he was working at the hospital he had an

he was working at the hospital he had an
access<03:12:59.680> hospital

access hospital

access hospital
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and he had access to vulnerable people

and he had access to vulnerable people
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young children at stoke mandeville yet

young children at stoke mandeville yet
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he's been investigated for his indeed

he's been investigated for his indeed
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sexual assaults on three people and they

sexual assaults on three people and they
didn't<03:13:08.640> bother<03:13:08.880> telling<03:13:09.120> stoke<03:13:09.439> mandeville

didn't bother telling stoke mandeville

didn't bother telling stoke mandeville
total<03:13:10.560> failure

total failure

total failure
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he they didn't tell thames valley police

he they didn't tell thames valley police
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of whose force area it was didn't tell

of whose force area it was didn't tell
them<03:13:17.680> that

them that

them that
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and the interview itself provided vital

and the interview itself provided vital
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information that had the police officers

information that had the police officers
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bothered to follow up on would have

bothered to follow up on would have
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shown savile to be lying

shown savile to be lying
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but they just simply took what he told

but they just simply took what he told
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him as being true

him as being true
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dismissed everything else the

dismissed everything else the
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allegations against him and did no

allegations against him and did no
investigations

investigations

investigations
so<03:13:39.120> that

so that

so that
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and he led the investigator he led the

and he led the investigator he led the
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interview um and in a way

interview um and in a way
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i didn't have i don't have a problem

i didn't have i don't have a problem
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with him leading the interview per se

with him leading the interview per se
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because i quite like that sometimes

because i quite like that sometimes
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because i like to give the interviewer

because i like to give the interviewer
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the the person being interviewed the

the the person being interviewed the
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feeling that they're very comfortable

feeling that they're very comfortable
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and lull them into a false sense of of

and lull them into a false sense of of
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feeling that they can say what they want

feeling that they can say what they want
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because by and large when people feel

because by and large when people feel
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really comfortable they talk

really comfortable they talk
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rather than yeah rather than feeling

rather than yeah rather than feeling
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under pressure so my invest my

under pressure so my invest my
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interviewing techniques for the very

interviewing techniques for the very
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first interview was always to allow you

first interview was always to allow you
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to talk you know if it was the other way

to talk you know if it was the other way
around

around

around
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i'd literally be probing you on lots of

i'd literally be probing you on lots of
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things but i'd be letting you talk loads

things but i'd be letting you talk loads
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if i was after stuff from you

if i was after stuff from you
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and so that's fine i don't mind them

and so that's fine i don't mind them
doing<03:14:27.200> that

doing that

doing that
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but there would have been a second

but there would have been a second
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interview where i'd come back to you and

interview where i'd come back to you and
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said well what about this what about

said well what about this what about
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this they followed up on none of that

this they followed up on none of that
but<03:14:34.880> those<03:14:35.120> officers

but those officers

but those officers
were

were

were
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nothing happened to them you know so and

nothing happened to them you know so and
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that's not just that the bbc i mean i

that's not just that the bbc i mean i
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the dame janet smith did the review for

the dame janet smith did the review for
jack<03:14:43.680> for<03:14:44.239> bbc<03:14:44.800> i<03:14:44.880> mean<03:14:44.960> i

jack for bbc i mean i

jack for bbc i mean i
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so i am responsible for exposing jimmy

so i am responsible for exposing jimmy
savile<03:14:50.080> i<03:14:50.479> have<03:14:50.800> more<03:14:50.960> knowledge<03:14:51.279> about<03:14:51.520> jimmy

savile i have more knowledge about jimmy

savile i have more knowledge about jimmy
savile<03:14:52.080> than<03:14:52.319> probably<03:14:52.640> anybody<03:14:53.120> else

savile than probably anybody else

savile than probably anybody else
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perhaps not so much now because lots of

perhaps not so much now because lots of
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other people have done work around it

other people have done work around it
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but certainly at the time

but certainly at the time
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they launched this this review and um

they launched this this review and um
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and i see a piece in the bbc news

and i see a piece in the bbc news
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basically saying we're looking for

basically saying we're looking for
anybody<03:15:05.520> that<03:15:05.680> has<03:15:05.840> information<03:15:06.319> about<03:15:06.479> jimmy

anybody that has information about jimmy

anybody that has information about jimmy
savan<03:15:07.120> and<03:15:07.279> i<03:15:07.359> wait<03:15:07.680> and<03:15:07.760> think<03:15:07.920> oh<03:15:08.160> someone

savan and i wait and think oh someone

savan and i wait and think oh someone
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will contact me from the inquiry nobody

will contact me from the inquiry nobody
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does so i wrote to james janet smith's

does so i wrote to james janet smith's
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team and said do you not want to

team and said do you not want to
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interview me and they came back and said

interview me and they came back and said
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well we don't know if you've got

well we don't know if you've got
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anything relevant to tell us

anything relevant to tell us
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and i went i went well that's up to you

and i went i went well that's up to you
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to decide isn't it i said but you won't

to decide isn't it i said but you won't
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know unless you ask me

know unless you ask me
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anyway so they did ask me to go along so

anyway so they did ask me to go along so
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i went along sat there with dame janet

i went along sat there with dame janet
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smith with her lawyers i didn't like the

smith with her lawyers i didn't like the
female<03:15:33.600> lawyer<03:15:33.920> she<03:15:34.080> was<03:15:34.239> very<03:15:34.399> arrogant<03:15:35.200> but

female lawyer she was very arrogant but

female lawyer she was very arrogant but
dame<03:15:35.600> janet<03:15:35.840> smith<03:15:36.239> and<03:15:36.319> i<03:15:36.399> said<03:15:36.560> to<03:15:36.640> her

dame janet smith and i said to her

dame janet smith and i said to her
listen<03:15:36.960> before<03:15:37.200> we<03:15:37.359> start

listen before we start

listen before we start
i<03:15:39.200> said<03:15:39.359> i'm<03:15:39.680> you<03:15:39.920> are

i said i'm you are

i said i'm you are
you're<03:15:40.800> eminent<03:15:41.200> that's<03:15:41.439> absolutely<03:15:41.840> fine

you're eminent that's absolutely fine

you're eminent that's absolutely fine
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but i'll tell you the truth here i've

but i'll tell you the truth here i've
investigated<03:15:44.399> this<03:15:44.640> man<03:15:44.880> for<03:15:44.960> a<03:15:45.040> long<03:15:45.200> time

investigated this man for a long time

investigated this man for a long time
i'm<03:15:45.680> very<03:15:45.840> good<03:15:46.080> at<03:15:46.160> what<03:15:46.319> i<03:15:46.399> do<03:15:46.560> i<03:15:46.720> have<03:15:46.880> a<03:15:47.680> very

i'm very good at what i do i have a very

i'm very good at what i do i have a very
good<03:15:48.080> track<03:15:48.319> record

good track record

good track record
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to sit there and say to me you don't

to sit there and say to me you don't
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know what i've got you don't think i've

know what i've got you don't think i've
got<03:15:52.880> anything<03:15:53.120> to<03:15:53.359> say

got anything to say

got anything to say
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without even asking me what it is is

without even asking me what it is is
your<03:15:56.399> first<03:15:56.720> failing<03:15:57.200> and<03:15:57.359> secondly

your first failing and secondly

your first failing and secondly
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why would you not go to the person that

why would you not go to the person that
starts<03:16:02.160> all<03:16:02.319> this<03:16:02.560> off

starts all this off

starts all this off
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i said i've never done an investigation

i said i've never done an investigation
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where i haven't spoken to as many people

where i haven't spoken to as many people
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as possible to give me that piece of

as possible to give me that piece of
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information anyway got to the end of it

information anyway got to the end of it
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and she did apologize she said i'm sorry

and she did apologize she said i'm sorry
we<03:16:13.760> got<03:16:13.920> that<03:16:14.080> wrong

we got that wrong

we got that wrong
so<03:16:15.840> fair<03:16:16.080> play<03:16:16.319> to<03:16:16.479> her

so fair play to her

so fair play to her
savile<03:16:18.399> manipulated<03:16:19.200> and<03:16:19.279> cajoled<03:16:20.160> the

savile manipulated and cajoled the

savile manipulated and cajoled the
environment<03:16:21.040> himself

environment himself

environment himself
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what we should not forget is that others

what we should not forget is that others
who<03:16:25.439> are<03:16:25.520> still<03:16:25.840> alive

who are still alive

who are still alive
were<03:16:27.200> complicit<03:16:28.160> in<03:16:28.319> enabling<03:16:28.960> this<03:16:29.200> monster

were complicit in enabling this monster

were complicit in enabling this monster
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savile may be dead but we have learned

savile may be dead but we have learned
that<03:16:33.680> there<03:16:33.920> are<03:16:34.160> many<03:16:34.560> people

that there are many people

that there are many people
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who got away with enabling his behavior

who got away with enabling his behavior
remember<03:16:39.040> the<03:16:39.200> nurse<03:16:39.600> who<03:16:39.760> told<03:16:40.000> a<03:16:40.160> 12<03:16:40.399> year

remember the nurse who told a 12 year

remember the nurse who told a 12 year
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old girl who had been raped to remain

old girl who had been raped to remain
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quiet otherwise she might lose her job

quiet otherwise she might lose her job
remember<03:16:47.840> claire<03:16:48.160> mcalpine<03:16:49.359> and<03:16:49.520> how<03:16:49.760> the<03:16:49.920> bbc

remember claire mcalpine and how the bbc

remember claire mcalpine and how the bbc
senior<03:16:51.279> management

senior management

senior management
had<03:16:52.720> refused<03:16:53.359> to<03:16:53.520> allow<03:16:53.840> her<03:16:54.160> mother

had refused to allow her mother

had refused to allow her mother
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to speak to anybody about how her

to speak to anybody about how her
fifteen-year-old<03:16:59.200> daughter<03:16:59.920> had<03:17:00.160> been<03:17:00.479> raped

fifteen-year-old daughter had been raped

fifteen-year-old daughter had been raped
remember<03:17:02.640> the<03:17:02.800> west<03:17:03.120> yorkshire<03:17:03.680> police

remember the west yorkshire police

remember the west yorkshire police
inspector

inspector

inspector
had<03:17:05.680> received<03:17:06.239> all<03:17:06.399> of<03:17:06.560> the<03:17:06.640> documents<03:17:07.359> about

had received all of the documents about

had received all of the documents about
savile

savile

savile
only<03:17:09.279> to<03:17:09.439> have<03:17:09.680> them<03:17:09.920> mysteriously<03:17:11.120> and

only to have them mysteriously and

only to have them mysteriously and
conveniently<03:17:12.560> disappear

not only did savile get away with it

not only did savile get away with it
but<03:17:19.920> all<03:17:20.080> of<03:17:20.239> his<03:17:20.560> enablers

but all of his enablers

but all of his enablers
have<03:17:22.239> got<03:17:22.479> away<03:17:23.200> scot-free<03:17:24.239> unpunished

if the people complicit in savile's

if the people complicit in savile's
behavior<03:17:30.640> don't<03:17:30.880> feel<03:17:31.200> some<03:17:31.520> guilt

behavior don't feel some guilt

behavior don't feel some guilt
then<03:17:33.040> they<03:17:33.200> must<03:17:33.359> be<03:17:33.600> psychopaths

this man was very very

this man was very very
and<03:17:40.479> he<03:17:40.640> was<03:17:40.880> excused<03:17:41.600> because

and he was excused because

and he was excused because
nobody

nobody

nobody
dared<03:17:45.040> not<03:17:45.279> excuse<03:17:45.840> him

dared not excuse him

dared not excuse him
you<03:17:46.720> know<03:17:46.880> esther<03:17:47.200> ransom<03:17:47.600> why<03:17:47.840> didn't<03:17:48.080> she

you know esther ransom why didn't she

you know esther ransom why didn't she
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say anything you know there are many

say anything you know there are many
people<03:17:50.239> out<03:17:50.479> there

people out there

people out there
who<03:17:51.920> could<03:17:52.080> have<03:17:52.640> asked<03:17:52.960> questions<03:17:53.520> but

who could have asked questions but

who could have asked questions but
because<03:17:54.720> of

because of

because of
this<03:17:55.680> man<03:17:55.920> being<03:17:56.239> some

this man being some

this man being some
national<03:17:58.319> treasure

national treasure

national treasure
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i mean there's even a video of him on

i mean there's even a video of him on
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top of the pops on youtube right now

top of the pops on youtube right now
where<03:18:03.200> he<03:18:03.279> just<03:18:03.439> puts<03:18:03.760> his<03:18:03.920> hand

where he just puts his hand

where he just puts his hand
up<03:18:05.040> the<03:18:05.200> skirt<03:18:05.600> of<03:18:05.760> anybody<03:18:06.319> yeah<03:18:06.560> and<03:18:06.720> she

up the skirt of anybody yeah and she

up the skirt of anybody yeah and she
jumps<03:18:07.680> yeah<03:18:08.239> so<03:18:08.880> you<03:18:09.040> know<03:18:09.359> why<03:18:09.520> did<03:18:09.680> the<03:18:09.840> bbc

jumps yeah so you know why did the bbc

jumps yeah so you know why did the bbc
protect<03:18:11.359> this<03:18:11.920> predator

protect this predator

protect this predator
um

um

um
because<03:18:15.439> they<03:18:15.760> created<03:18:16.239> the<03:18:16.399> monster<03:18:16.880> and

because they created the monster and

because they created the monster and
they<03:18:17.040> didn't<03:18:17.279> want<03:18:17.439> to<03:18:17.600> destroy<03:18:18.080> them<03:18:18.640> if<03:18:18.720> they

they didn't want to destroy them if they

they didn't want to destroy them if they
destroyed<03:18:19.439> their<03:18:20.239> their<03:18:20.560> their<03:18:20.880> cash<03:18:21.279> cow

destroyed their their their cash cow

destroyed their their their cash cow
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then they would look very stupid on them

then they would look very stupid on them
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i mean i'm going to be honest with you

i mean i'm going to be honest with you
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when you look at these enquiries and

when you look at these enquiries and
i've<03:18:28.960> seen

i've seen

i've seen
148<03:18:30.800> pages<03:18:31.120> report<03:18:31.439> on<03:18:31.600> broadball

148 pages report on broadball

148 pages report on broadball
and<03:18:33.359> the<03:18:33.439> first<03:18:33.760> 10<03:18:34.080> pages<03:18:34.560> is

and the first 10 pages is

and the first 10 pages is
this<03:18:35.760> is<03:18:35.920> appendix<03:18:36.399> daily<03:18:36.720> appendix<03:18:37.200> speech

this is appendix daily appendix speech

this is appendix daily appendix speech
it's<03:18:37.439> got<03:18:37.680> 10<03:18:37.920> pages<03:18:38.319> of<03:18:38.479> nothing

it's got 10 pages of nothing

it's got 10 pages of nothing
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and then it gets down to the last 10

and then it gets down to the last 10
pages<03:18:42.160> of

pages of

pages of
well

well

well
at<03:18:44.319> the<03:18:44.560> time

at the time

at the time
um

um

um
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we were lived in a different era

we were lived in a different era
we<03:18:51.279> could

we could

we could
get<03:18:53.200> away<03:18:53.520> with<03:18:53.840> touching

get away with touching

get away with touching
someone<03:18:55.840> at<03:18:55.920> the<03:18:56.000> back<03:18:56.239> side

someone at the back side

someone at the back side
they<03:18:58.160> actually<03:18:58.479> turned<03:18:58.720> around<03:18:58.960> and

they actually turned around and

they actually turned around and
basically<03:18:59.520> said

basically said

basically said
well<03:19:00.880> it's<03:19:01.120> acceptable

well it's acceptable

well it's acceptable
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no one's ever been bought to account for

no one's ever been bought to account for
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it which is why i report and just brush

it which is why i report and just brush
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it under the carpet i mean me and

it under the carpet i mean me and
christopher<03:19:09.120> well<03:19:09.439> christopher

christopher well christopher

christopher well christopher
has<03:19:11.200> put<03:19:11.439> in

has put in

has put in
froi<03:19:13.279> reports

froi reports

froi reports
to<03:19:14.720> baltimore<03:19:15.120> hospital

to baltimore hospital

to baltimore hospital
on<03:19:16.640> every<03:19:16.960> occasion<03:19:17.439> they've<03:19:18.000> us<03:19:18.160> off

on every occasion they've us off

on every occasion they've us off
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you know they've come back and said oh

you know they've come back and said oh
nhs<03:19:22.800> or<03:19:23.120> the<03:19:23.359> nhs

nhs or the nhs

nhs or the nhs
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well what's your meaning right nhs no no

well what's your meaning right nhs no no
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we're too different with the nhs or nhs

we're too different with the nhs or nhs
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so all they do is

so all they do is
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you know you know i'm if i can find a

you know you know i'm if i can find a
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report that's going to turn around and

report that's going to turn around and
tell<03:19:40.160> me

tell me

tell me
but

but

but
there's<03:19:42.399> 40<03:19:43.040> hospitals<03:19:43.680> that<03:19:43.840> he

there's 40 hospitals that he

there's 40 hospitals that he
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went round each hospital has got a 100

went round each hospital has got a 100
page<03:19:48.080> report

page report

page report
the<03:19:50.239> bbc

the bbc

the bbc
funded<03:19:52.239> by<03:19:52.560> the<03:19:52.640> likes<03:19:52.960> of<03:19:53.040> me

funded by the likes of me

funded by the likes of me
you<03:19:54.479> you

you you

you you
and<03:19:55.680> yeah

and yeah

and yeah
i've<03:19:57.680> just

i've just

i've just
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yeah we'll just do a report keep them

yeah we'll just do a report keep them
sweet

sweet

sweet
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and hide it because that's how we do

and hide it because that's how we do
governments<03:20:04.399> are<03:20:04.479> saying<03:20:04.720> they've<03:20:04.960> they'll

governments are saying they've they'll

governments are saying they've they'll
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hide it they won't come forward and turn

hide it they won't come forward and turn
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around and declare they made a mistake

around and declare they made a mistake
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broadmoor won't come declare they made a

broadmoor won't come declare they made a
mistake

mistake

mistake
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bbc would definitely not

bbc would definitely not
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but they would expect you to pay their

but they would expect you to pay their
money

money

money
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what you do in the caravan

what you do in the caravan
anybody<03:20:20.080> can<03:20:20.160> let<03:20:20.319> me

now it's much more

now it's much more
transparent<03:20:32.080> because<03:20:32.319> of<03:20:32.479> social<03:20:32.880> media<03:20:33.200> i

transparent because of social media i

transparent because of social media i
think<03:20:33.520> the<03:20:33.600> world<03:20:33.920> has<03:20:34.239> changed<03:20:34.720> because

think the world has changed because

think the world has changed because
frankly

frankly

frankly
information<03:20:38.160> spreads<03:20:38.640> quicker

information spreads quicker

information spreads quicker
so<03:20:41.840> back<03:20:42.160> then<03:20:42.479> he

so back then he

so back then he
he<03:20:44.000> could<03:20:44.239> just<03:20:44.479> go

he could just go

he could just go
well

well

well
talk<03:20:46.399> to<03:20:46.560> my<03:20:46.720> friend<03:20:46.880> prince<03:20:47.200> charles<03:20:47.520> or<03:20:48.080> he

talk to my friend prince charles or he

talk to my friend prince charles or he
could<03:20:48.319> have<03:20:48.479> gone<03:20:48.800> well<03:20:49.120> talk<03:20:49.359> to<03:20:49.520> my<03:20:49.760> friend

could have gone well talk to my friend

could have gone well talk to my friend
edwina<03:20:51.120> curry<03:20:51.520> or<03:20:52.080> talk<03:20:52.239> to<03:20:52.399> my<03:20:52.560> friend

edwina curry or talk to my friend

edwina curry or talk to my friend
margaret<03:20:53.120> thatcher<03:20:53.520> or<03:20:54.000> he<03:20:54.160> could<03:20:54.319> have<03:20:54.399> named

margaret thatcher or he could have named

margaret thatcher or he could have named
to<03:20:55.200> talk<03:20:55.359> to<03:20:55.600> my<03:20:55.760> friend<03:20:56.000> the<03:20:56.080> policeman

to talk to my friend the policeman

to talk to my friend the policeman
and<03:20:58.160> that's<03:20:58.399> how<03:20:58.640> he<03:20:58.880> was<03:20:59.040> able

and that's how he was able

and that's how he was able
he

he

he
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he was a he was a genius in some ways

he was a he was a genius in some ways
because<03:21:04.000> evil<03:21:04.399> genius<03:21:05.279> but

because evil genius but

because evil genius but
that<03:21:06.319> man<03:21:06.720> had

that man had

that man had
a<03:21:08.080> monstrous<03:21:08.800> brain<03:21:09.279> and<03:21:09.359> he<03:21:09.520> obviously<03:21:09.840> had

a monstrous brain and he obviously had

a monstrous brain and he obviously had
him

him

him
he<03:21:11.040> just

he just

he just
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he probably didn't even care what he was

he probably didn't even care what he was
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doing by the end he just just wanted to

doing by the end he just just wanted to
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do it for the sake of it he

do it for the sake of it he
power<03:21:18.160> comp<03:21:18.800> he's<03:21:18.960> just

power comp he's just

power comp he's just
he<03:21:20.080> was<03:21:20.319> an<03:21:20.479> a<03:21:20.720> fairly<03:21:21.200> evil<03:21:21.680> man

he was an a fairly evil man

he was an a fairly evil man
who<03:21:22.720> was<03:21:22.880> enabled<03:21:23.520> by<03:21:23.840> people<03:21:24.160> just

who was enabled by people just

who was enabled by people just
looking<03:21:25.200> the<03:21:25.359> other<03:21:25.600> way

looking the other way

looking the other way
214<03:21:28.080> crimes<03:21:28.560> were<03:21:28.720> recorded<03:21:29.359> across<03:21:29.840> 28

214 crimes were recorded across 28

214 crimes were recorded across 28
police<03:21:30.960> forces<03:21:31.920> offenses<03:21:32.479> occurred<03:21:33.120> in<03:21:33.439> 13

police forces offenses occurred in 13

police forces offenses occurred in 13
hospitals<03:21:35.120> including<03:21:35.680> a<03:21:35.840> hospice<03:21:36.640> and

hospitals including a hospice and

hospitals including a hospice and
justice<03:21:37.279> serves<03:21:37.600> itself<03:21:38.080> in<03:21:38.160> many<03:21:38.479> forms

justice serves itself in many forms

justice serves itself in many forms
justice<03:21:39.439> is<03:21:39.520> not<03:21:39.760> just<03:21:40.000> about<03:21:40.800> a

justice is not just about a

justice is not just about a
element<03:21:42.160> of<03:21:42.239> punitive<03:21:42.720> effect<03:21:43.600> and<03:21:43.760> of<03:21:43.840> course

element of punitive effect and of course

element of punitive effect and of course
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in savile's case he was dead by the time

in savile's case he was dead by the time
i<03:21:46.560> started<03:21:46.880> investigating<03:21:47.520> him<03:21:47.760> so<03:21:48.080> there<03:21:48.239> was

i started investigating him so there was

i started investigating him so there was
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no punitive element but justice by being

no punitive element but justice by being
believed<03:21:51.600> for<03:21:51.760> so<03:21:52.000> many<03:21:52.319> people<03:21:53.200> simply<03:21:53.680> being

believed for so many people simply being

believed for so many people simply being
heard<03:21:54.720> and<03:21:54.880> being<03:21:55.120> believed<03:21:55.680> in<03:21:55.760> terms<03:21:56.080> of

heard and being believed in terms of

heard and being believed in terms of
what<03:21:56.319> you're<03:21:56.479> saying<03:21:57.200> has<03:21:57.760> the<03:21:57.920> most<03:21:58.560> amazing

what you're saying has the most amazing

what you're saying has the most amazing
effect<03:21:59.520> on<03:21:59.680> people

we all know what is right and wrong you

we all know what is right and wrong you
know<03:22:06.080> some<03:22:06.239> of<03:22:06.319> the<03:22:06.479> stuff<03:22:06.720> that<03:22:06.880> came<03:22:07.120> out

know some of the stuff that came out

know some of the stuff that came out
after<03:22:07.920> savile<03:22:08.239> was<03:22:08.479> people<03:22:08.720> turning<03:22:09.040> around

after savile was people turning around

after savile was people turning around
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and saying yeah but in those days that

and saying yeah but in those days that
was<03:22:11.760> okay<03:22:12.399> i've<03:22:12.640> seen<03:22:12.960> that<03:22:13.359> let's<03:22:13.600> be<03:22:13.760> very

was okay i've seen that let's be very

was okay i've seen that let's be very
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clear is it wasn't okay it has always

clear is it wasn't okay it has always
been<03:22:17.200> wrong<03:22:18.000> to<03:22:18.239> sexually<03:22:18.800> touch<03:22:19.040> somebody

been wrong to sexually touch somebody

been wrong to sexually touch somebody
without<03:22:20.399> their<03:22:20.640> consent<03:22:21.200> or<03:22:21.279> when<03:22:21.439> they<03:22:21.600> are<03:22:21.760> a

without their consent or when they are a

without their consent or when they are a
child<03:22:22.560> that<03:22:22.720> hasn't<03:22:23.040> changed<03:22:23.439> that's<03:22:23.760> been

child that hasn't changed that's been

child that hasn't changed that's been
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there for years and years decades and

there for years and years decades and
decades<03:22:26.560> and<03:22:26.640> decades<03:22:27.200> so<03:22:27.359> anybody<03:22:27.680> who<03:22:27.840> comes

decades and decades so anybody who comes

decades and decades so anybody who comes
forward<03:22:28.160> and<03:22:28.239> said<03:22:28.399> it<03:22:28.560> was<03:22:28.720> okay

forward and said it was okay

forward and said it was okay
society<03:22:30.399> didn't<03:22:30.640> used<03:22:30.880> to<03:22:31.040> do<03:22:31.200> anything<03:22:31.520> about

society didn't used to do anything about

society didn't used to do anything about
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it i didn't make it right society has

it i didn't make it right society has
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now done something about it and that's

now done something about it and that's
absolutely<03:22:36.160> right<03:22:36.479> and<03:22:36.640> so<03:22:36.800> it<03:22:36.960> should

absolutely right and so it should

absolutely right and so it should
because<03:22:38.399> those<03:22:38.720> people<03:22:39.040> that<03:22:39.200> were<03:22:39.439> offended

because those people that were offended

because those people that were offended
against<03:22:40.800> didn't<03:22:41.040> have<03:22:41.200> a<03:22:41.359> voice

against didn't have a voice

against didn't have a voice
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they weren't able to be listened to now

they weren't able to be listened to now
we<03:22:44.239> listen<03:22:44.560> to<03:22:44.640> them<03:22:44.800> that's<03:22:45.120> absolutely

we listen to them that's absolutely

we listen to them that's absolutely
right<03:22:46.000> so

right so

right so
when<03:22:47.279> somebody<03:22:47.760> gets<03:22:48.080> away<03:22:48.319> with<03:22:48.479> something

when somebody gets away with something

when somebody gets away with something
somebody<03:22:49.200> does<03:22:49.439> something<03:22:49.920> wrong<03:22:50.239> we<03:22:50.399> have

somebody does something wrong we have

somebody does something wrong we have
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choices we all have life choices and if

choices we all have life choices and if
you<03:22:53.680> take<03:22:53.920> the<03:22:54.080> wrong<03:22:54.399> choice

you take the wrong choice

you take the wrong choice
then<03:22:55.840> you<03:22:56.000> take<03:22:56.239> the<03:22:56.319> consequences

then you take the consequences

then you take the consequences
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and i think

and i think
that<03:23:05.120> the<03:23:05.279> problem<03:23:05.600> with<03:23:05.840> savile

that the problem with savile

that the problem with savile
was<03:23:07.680> everyone<03:23:08.000> was<03:23:08.160> terrified<03:23:08.640> of<03:23:08.800> him

was everyone was terrified of him

was everyone was terrified of him
because<03:23:09.200> he<03:23:09.359> used<03:23:09.520> to<03:23:09.680> threaten<03:23:09.920> to<03:23:10.080> sue

because he used to threaten to sue

because he used to threaten to sue
people<03:23:10.800> and

people and

people and
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they were all the same all the signs

they were all the same all the signs
looked<03:23:13.359> like<03:23:13.520> they<03:23:13.680> were<03:23:13.760> there<03:23:13.920> didn't<03:23:14.160> they

looked like they were there didn't they

looked like they were there didn't they
i<03:23:14.640> mean

i mean

i mean
that<03:23:16.000> louis<03:23:16.319> the<03:23:16.479> ruined<03:23:16.880> view<03:23:17.200> where

that louis the ruined view where

that louis the ruined view where
he<03:23:18.319> almost<03:23:18.640> had<03:23:18.800> him<03:23:18.960> on<03:23:19.040> the<03:23:19.200> rails<03:23:19.920> you<03:23:20.000> know

he almost had him on the rails you know

he almost had him on the rails you know
um

um

um
and

and

and
uh

uh

uh
i<03:23:25.600> think

i think

i think
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it was a sign of the times wasn't it i

it was a sign of the times wasn't it i
mean<03:23:28.880> so<03:23:29.120> many<03:23:29.359> things

mean so many things

mean so many things
um<03:23:31.680> that<03:23:32.000> sort<03:23:32.160> of<03:23:32.560> went<03:23:32.880> on<03:23:33.439> over<03:23:33.680> that<03:23:34.080> time

um that sort of went on over that time

um that sort of went on over that time
period<03:23:34.880> where<03:23:35.120> people<03:23:35.359> just<03:23:35.520> seem<03:23:35.760> to<03:23:35.840> turn<03:23:36.080> a

period where people just seem to turn a

period where people just seem to turn a
blind<03:23:36.560> eye

blind eye

blind eye
are<03:23:38.319> quite<03:23:38.479> distorting<03:23:38.960> i<03:23:39.120> still

are quite distorting i still

are quite distorting i still
shiver

shiver

shiver
when<03:23:42.479> i<03:23:42.560> look<03:23:42.720> at<03:23:42.800> that<03:23:43.040> footage<03:23:43.359> of<03:23:43.680> um<03:23:44.319> savile

when i look at that footage of um savile

when i look at that footage of um savile
with<03:23:45.359> um

with um

with um
uh<03:23:47.680> oh<03:23:48.000> god<03:23:48.399> you<03:23:48.479> know<03:23:48.640> the<03:23:48.720> guy<03:23:48.960> who<03:23:49.120> was<03:23:49.279> the

uh oh god you know the guy who was the

uh oh god you know the guy who was the
um<03:23:49.680> lead<03:23:49.920> of<03:23:50.000> the<03:23:50.160> pack

um lead of the pack

um lead of the pack
uh<03:23:51.600> the<03:23:51.680> other<03:23:51.840> pedophile<03:23:52.399> he<03:23:52.479> was<03:23:52.720> um

uh the other pedophile he was um

uh the other pedophile he was um
gary<03:23:54.720> glitter<03:23:55.120> have<03:23:55.120> you<03:23:55.200> seen<03:23:55.439> that<03:23:55.600> footage

gary glitter have you seen that footage

gary glitter have you seen that footage
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of them both on top of the parts

of them both on top of the parts
together<03:23:57.359> i'm<03:23:57.600> not<03:23:57.840> no<03:23:58.000> is<03:23:58.080> it<03:23:58.239> on<03:23:58.319> youtube

together i'm not no is it on youtube

together i'm not no is it on youtube
yeah<03:23:59.600> it<03:23:59.680> just<03:23:59.920> makes<03:24:00.160> you<03:24:00.399> shudder<03:24:01.040> but<03:24:01.279> then

yeah it just makes you shudder but then

yeah it just makes you shudder but then
you<03:24:01.680> kind<03:24:01.920> of<03:24:02.239> i<03:24:02.319> don't<03:24:02.479> know<03:24:02.800> do<03:24:02.960> we<03:24:03.200> all

you kind of i don't know do we all

you kind of i don't know do we all
expressly<03:24:04.880> in<03:24:05.120> our<03:24:05.279> heads

will not want to believe that that kind

will not want to believe that that kind
of<03:24:09.680> thing

of thing

of thing
goes<03:24:11.200> on<03:24:11.520> you<03:24:11.680> know<03:24:11.920> it's<03:24:12.239> it's

goes on you know it's it's

goes on you know it's it's
you<03:24:13.520> know<03:24:13.680> there's<03:24:13.920> there's<03:24:14.239> part<03:24:14.560> i<03:24:14.640> think

you know there's there's part i think

you know there's there's part i think
there's<03:24:14.960> part<03:24:15.120> of<03:24:15.279> human<03:24:15.600> nature<03:24:15.920> that<03:24:16.640> i<03:24:16.720> mean

there's part of human nature that i mean

there's part of human nature that i mean
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i met jimmy savile you've met him i met

i met jimmy savile you've met him i met
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him yeah what was that like well you

him yeah what was that like well you
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know he's like big into running and he

know he's like big into running and he
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used to and i had a disabled brother and

used to and i had a disabled brother and
i<03:24:26.720> was<03:24:26.960> pushing<03:24:27.359> my<03:24:27.520> brother<03:24:27.840> around<03:24:28.160> the

i was pushing my brother around the

i was pushing my brother around the
serpentine<03:24:29.040> with<03:24:29.279> my<03:24:29.439> granny

serpentine with my granny

serpentine with my granny
and<03:24:30.560> we<03:24:30.720> were<03:24:30.880> doing<03:24:31.040> a<03:24:31.200> sponsored<03:24:31.680> run<03:24:32.319> and<03:24:32.560> up

and we were doing a sponsored run and up

and we were doing a sponsored run and up
comes<03:24:33.040> jimmy<03:24:33.359> savile

comes jimmy savile

comes jimmy savile
and

and

and
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i guess i would have been quite

i guess i would have been quite
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and he's perfectly seemed perfectly nice

and he's perfectly seemed perfectly nice
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and i thought it was the best guy and he

and i thought it was the best guy and he
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was jimmy several fixes it for everybody

was jimmy several fixes it for everybody
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and he seemed like this great guy and i

and he seemed like this great guy and i
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was just left with this great impression

was just left with this great impression
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and i'm sure that most people if you

and i'm sure that most people if you
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weren't being abused by jimmy savile had

weren't being abused by jimmy savile had
that<03:24:51.040> impression<03:24:51.439> of<03:24:51.600> him

that impression of him

that impression of him
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but it really took um

but it really took um
martin<03:24:55.439> thomas<03:24:55.840> to

martin thomas to

martin thomas to
to<03:24:57.040> basically

to basically

to basically
forensically

forensically

forensically
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go through the cases and find a pattern

go through the cases and find a pattern
of<03:25:04.160> behavior

of behavior

of behavior
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and it just goes to show because how

and it just goes to show because how
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many victims he had

many victims he had
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and it you know it took a documentary

and it you know it took a documentary
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to find it was only like five victims

to find it was only like five victims
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that he produced to start with who the

that he produced to start with who the
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patterns with behavior was so similar

patterns with behavior was so similar
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that eventually but even then it was

that eventually but even then it was
only<03:25:23.279> after<03:25:23.520> he<03:25:23.840> died

only after he died

only after he died
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and i just wonder if he was still alive

and i just wonder if he was still alive
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you know whether that would have yet

you know whether that would have yet
come<03:25:29.439> out<03:25:29.920> because<03:25:30.319> it<03:25:30.640> it's

come out because it it's

come out because it it's
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you know the the rules and regulations

you know the the rules and regulations
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about putting something like that on the

about putting something like that on the
telly<03:25:35.120> this<03:25:35.359> guy<03:25:35.600> is<03:25:35.760> effectively

telly this guy is effectively

telly this guy is effectively
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you've got to you've got to jump some

you've got to you've got to jump some
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but when you are a young person and

but when you are a young person and
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you're you're forming your understanding

you're you're forming your understanding
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of life because every child is a blank

of life because every child is a blank
canvas

canvas

canvas
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we learn from our environment we learn

we learn from our environment we learn
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from what's around us

from what's around us
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so if we're seeing things that the

so if we're seeing things that the
sexualizing<03:25:58.720> women<03:25:59.040> if<03:25:59.120> we're<03:25:59.359> seeing<03:25:59.840> things

sexualizing women if we're seeing things

sexualizing women if we're seeing things
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which are showing us that that's

which are showing us that that's
acceptable

acceptable

acceptable
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you know if you're in an environment at

you know if you're in an environment at
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home where there's domestic abuse

home where there's domestic abuse
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it's the norm where sexuality is

it's the norm where sexuality is
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something that's that's openly discussed

something that's that's openly discussed
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or shown or whatever swearing all of

or shown or whatever swearing all of
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that lot it becomes the norm drug taking

that lot it becomes the norm drug taking
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becomes the norm and this is what ends

becomes the norm and this is what ends
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up happening of course his children then

up happening of course his children then
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follow that path into adulthood and that

follow that path into adulthood and that
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early days of offending behavior bearing

early days of offending behavior bearing
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in mind offending now could be anything

in mind offending now could be anything
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from 10 to 11

from 10 to 11
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up to the late teens that is why that

up to the late teens that is why that
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bracket of offending behavior is so huge

bracket of offending behavior is so huge
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because that's still the learning

because that's still the learning
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element once you get to your 20s and 30s

element once you get to your 20s and 30s
you<03:26:39.359> start<03:26:39.600> to<03:26:39.840> realize

you start to realize

you start to realize
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that's wrong

that's wrong
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but of course you don't know because of

but of course you don't know because of
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the environment that is why as a society

the environment that is why as a society
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and as parents we have such a massive

and as parents we have such a massive
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duty to make sure that our children are

duty to make sure that our children are
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brought up in the right way and not

brought up in the right way and not
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exposed to things that will influence

exposed to things that will influence
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their decision making

their decision making
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do you think that without your

do you think that without your
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documentary on several

documentary on several
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it wouldn't have been as exposed as it

it wouldn't have been as exposed as it
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was yeah you played a key role i mean if

was yeah you played a key role i mean if
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if we hadn't have exposed savile

if we hadn't have exposed savile
i

i

i
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so had if news night had been able to

so had if news night had been able to
get<03:27:13.359> theirs<03:27:13.680> off<03:27:13.840> the<03:27:14.000> ground

get theirs off the ground

get theirs off the ground
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it i do not believe it would have would

it i do not believe it would have would
have

have

have
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caused the ricochet the impact that ours

caused the ricochet the impact that ours
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did at all because they had a completely

did at all because they had a completely
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different story so that's the first

different story so that's the first
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thing and i think had we not have got

thing and i think had we not have got
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savile off the ground then i don't think

savile off the ground then i don't think
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we'd be where we are now now i can't say

we'd be where we are now now i can't say
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that with certainty because other things

that with certainty because other things
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might have happened somebody else might

might have happened somebody else might
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have happened but of the impact of

have happened but of the impact of
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savile i mean savile led to

savile i mean savile led to
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max clifford being arrested and

max clifford being arrested and
prosecuted

prosecuted

prosecuted
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ralph harris being arrested and

ralph harris being arrested and
prosecuted

prosecuted

prosecuted
uh<03:27:44.319> the

uh the

uh the
um

um

um
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it's a knockout guy stuart hall being

it's a knockout guy stuart hall being
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arrested and prosecuted and not just

arrested and prosecuted and not just
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those people who are in the public eye

those people who are in the public eye
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but hundreds hundreds of other people up

but hundreds hundreds of other people up
and<03:27:55.359> down<03:27:55.520> the<03:27:55.680> country

and down the country

and down the country
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where victims came forward and spoke

where victims came forward and spoke
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about now often we don't talk about

about now often we don't talk about
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those people because they're not in the

those people because they're not in the
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public eye but there are savile led to

public eye but there are savile led to
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thousands of people being saved

thousands of people being saved
hundreds<03:28:08.000> of<03:28:08.160> offenders<03:28:08.720> being<03:28:08.960> arrested

hundreds of offenders being arrested

hundreds of offenders being arrested
just<03:28:10.800> in<03:28:10.880> the<03:28:11.200> space<03:28:12.080> of

just in the space of

just in the space of
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of of a one-hour program a 47-minute

of of a one-hour program a 47-minute
program<03:28:16.720> with<03:28:17.040> adverts

program with adverts

program with adverts
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so i think it was a there was a piece

so i think it was a there was a piece
written<03:28:20.399> in<03:28:20.560> the<03:28:20.720> guardian

written in the guardian

written in the guardian
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the following day saying that you know

the following day saying that you know
this<03:28:25.279> is<03:28:25.359> a

this is a

this is a
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never had television defined a moment

never had television defined a moment
anymore<03:28:30.239> and<03:28:30.319> i<03:28:30.399> think<03:28:30.640> it's<03:28:30.880> true<03:28:31.120> i<03:28:31.200> think<03:28:31.439> if

anymore and i think it's true i think if

anymore and i think it's true i think if
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you look back

you look back
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in terms of some of the coverage and

in terms of some of the coverage and
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some of the stuff that's that's been

some of the stuff that's that's been
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talked about i think that 47 minutes

talked about i think that 47 minutes
of<03:28:41.359> television

of television

of television
has<03:28:43.359> probably<03:28:44.160> been

has probably been

has probably been
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in the last 10 20 30 40 decades

in the last 10 20 30 40 decades
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one of the biggest changing moments and

one of the biggest changing moments and
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of course there's been other important

of course there's been other important
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moments corsa has

moments corsa has
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but in terms of changing attitudes

but in terms of changing attitudes
changing<03:28:58.640> public<03:28:59.120> opinion

changing public opinion

changing public opinion
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i don't think there's been a program

i don't think there's been a program
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that's done and i'm incredibly proud to

that's done and i'm incredibly proud to
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be part of that and yeah it was hard

be part of that and yeah it was hard
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work i mean i i've never really talked

work i mean i i've never really talked
in<03:29:09.760> detail<03:29:10.160> of<03:29:10.640> how

in detail of how

in detail of how
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hard it was and some of the hoops we had

hard it was and some of the hoops we had
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to jump through to get it broadcast

to jump through to get it broadcast
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but it was hard you know these these

but it was hard you know these these
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people go you know you made a program

people go you know you made a program
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and put it out i tell you what that

and put it out i tell you what that
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making that program and getting it to

making that program and getting it to
air

air

air
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was the hardest thing that i've ever

was the hardest thing that i've ever
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done and will ever do i'm sure in the

done and will ever do i'm sure in the
rest<03:29:30.319> of<03:29:30.479> my<03:29:30.560> life

rest of my life

rest of my life
jimmy<03:29:32.560> saddle<03:29:32.880> couldn't<03:29:33.120> have<03:29:33.279> existed<03:29:33.840> now

jimmy saddle couldn't have existed now

jimmy saddle couldn't have existed now
because

because

because
there<03:29:36.160> would<03:29:36.319> have<03:29:36.399> been<03:29:36.640> some

there would have been some

there would have been some
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person on the internet saying no no no

person on the internet saying no no no
no<03:29:40.399> no

no no

no no
and<03:29:42.640> eventually<03:29:43.120> somebody<03:29:43.600> would<03:29:43.760> have<03:29:43.920> to

and eventually somebody would have to

and eventually somebody would have to
listen

listen

listen
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um i don't think he could have got away

um i don't think he could have got away
with<03:29:48.479> it<03:29:48.560> in<03:29:48.640> this<03:29:48.880> era

with it in this era

with it in this era
but

but

but
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back then he had the police he had

back then he had the police he had
royalty<03:29:54.239> he<03:29:54.319> had<03:29:54.560> politicians<03:29:55.439> he<03:29:55.600> had

royalty he had politicians he had

royalty he had politicians he had
business<03:29:57.200> people<03:29:57.680> he<03:29:57.840> had

business people he had

business people he had
bbc<03:30:00.000> he<03:30:00.160> had

bbc he had

bbc he had
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everything it's very likely that 400 of

everything it's very likely that 400 of
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you will be injured in your cars

you will be injured in your cars
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tomorrow you'll be within six miles of

tomorrow you'll be within six miles of
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home and doing less than 30. and it's

home and doing less than 30. and it's
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going to happen to a lot of you ladies

going to happen to a lot of you ladies
you'll<03:30:10.960> be<03:30:11.120> shopping<03:30:11.680> collecting<03:30:12.160> the<03:30:12.239> kids

you'll be shopping collecting the kids

you'll be shopping collecting the kids
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going to the laundry for some of you the

going to the laundry for some of you the
face<03:30:15.040> you'll<03:30:15.200> start<03:30:15.520> out<03:30:15.600> with<03:30:15.760> in<03:30:15.840> the

face you'll start out with in the

face you'll start out with in the
morning

morning

morning
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won't be the same face you end up with

won't be the same face you end up with
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by the evening

by the evening
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that

that
50<03:30:27.200> odd<03:30:27.439> years

50 odd years

50 odd years
that<03:30:28.960> this<03:30:29.359> man

that this man

that this man
had<03:30:30.800> free<03:30:31.120> reign

had free reign

had free reign
of

of

of
the<03:30:33.600> government

the government

the government
the<03:30:36.000> nhs

the

the
bbc<03:30:41.120> who<03:30:41.279> were

bbc who were

bbc who were
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respected in 1940 because they were the

respected in 1940 because they were the
voice<03:30:45.200> of<03:30:45.600> the<03:30:45.760> british<03:30:46.160> people

voice of the british people

voice of the british people
and<03:30:48.399> well<03:30:48.640> respected<03:30:49.520> by<03:30:49.680> the<03:30:49.840> people

and well respected by the people

and well respected by the people
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that he managed to walk into every walk

that he managed to walk into every walk
of<03:30:53.680> life

of life

of life
and<03:30:55.520> destroy

and destroy

and destroy
thousands<03:30:57.760> of<03:30:57.920> people

thousands of people

thousands of people
life's<03:31:00.399> is<03:31:00.640> beyond<03:31:01.040> me

life's is beyond me

life's is beyond me
i<03:31:02.800> i<03:31:03.120> could

i i could

i i could
probably<03:31:04.479> sit<03:31:04.720> and<03:31:04.880> talk<03:31:05.120> throughout<03:31:05.520> about

probably sit and talk throughout about

probably sit and talk throughout about
this<03:31:06.080> man<03:31:06.399> and

this man and

this man and
you<03:31:08.319> know<03:31:08.560> my<03:31:08.720> special<03:31:09.200> subjects<03:31:09.680> are<03:31:09.760> brought

you know my special subjects are brought

you know my special subjects are brought
more

more

more
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and that's but this guy right in the

and that's but this guy right in the
chapter<03:31:14.239> about<03:31:14.800> savile<03:31:15.439> has<03:31:15.600> just<03:31:15.920> opened<03:31:16.239> up

chapter about savile has just opened up

chapter about savile has just opened up
probably<03:31:16.720> the<03:31:16.880> biggest<03:31:17.200> can<03:31:17.439> of<03:31:17.600> worms<03:31:17.920> that

probably the biggest can of worms that

probably the biggest can of worms that
i've<03:31:18.319> come<03:31:18.479> across

you know without uh immediate coverage

you know without uh immediate coverage
without<03:31:25.200> uh<03:31:25.680> the<03:31:25.920> readiness<03:31:26.479> of<03:31:27.120> some

without uh the readiness of some

without uh the readiness of some
newspapers<03:31:28.000> to<03:31:28.319> to<03:31:28.479> go<03:31:28.720> down<03:31:28.960> that<03:31:29.200> line

newspapers to to go down that line

newspapers to to go down that line
and<03:31:30.960> importantly<03:31:31.359> enough<03:31:31.680> to<03:31:31.840> report<03:31:32.319> stories

and importantly enough to report stories

and importantly enough to report stories
that<03:31:33.040> then<03:31:33.520> kind<03:31:33.680> of<03:31:34.000> get<03:31:34.319> other<03:31:34.560> people

that then kind of get other people

that then kind of get other people
coming<03:31:35.279> forward

coming forward

coming forward
uh

uh

uh
and<03:31:37.600> i<03:31:37.680> worry<03:31:38.000> about<03:31:38.319> this<03:31:38.880> because

and i worry about this because

and i worry about this because
uh

uh

uh
you<03:31:42.960> know<03:31:43.040> the<03:31:43.200> resources<03:31:43.920> for<03:31:44.080> media

you know the resources for media

you know the resources for media
investigations<03:31:45.359> are<03:31:45.439> much<03:31:45.760> less<03:31:46.080> these<03:31:46.319> days

investigations are much less these days

investigations are much less these days
um<03:31:47.760> you<03:31:47.920> know<03:31:48.160> newspapers<03:31:48.880> are<03:31:49.439> are<03:31:49.600> dying

um you know newspapers are are dying

um you know newspapers are are dying
they're<03:31:50.160> being<03:31:50.319> replaced<03:31:50.800> by<03:31:50.960> the<03:31:51.120> internet

they're being replaced by the internet

they're being replaced by the internet
uh<03:31:52.640> there<03:31:52.880> are<03:31:53.040> some<03:31:53.279> investigative<03:31:54.080> websites

uh there are some investigative websites

uh there are some investigative websites
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on the internet but you know they're

on the internet but you know they're
fairly<03:31:56.960> poorly<03:31:57.279> resourced

fairly poorly resourced

fairly poorly resourced
i<03:31:58.560> think<03:31:59.120> one

i think one

i think one
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big loss in the uk and in the us

big loss in the uk and in the us
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is the sort of good local newspaper

is the sort of good local newspaper
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which which keeps an eye on things where

which which keeps an eye on things where
the<03:32:08.960> reporters<03:32:09.520> go<03:32:09.760> to<03:32:09.920> the<03:32:10.000> local

the reporters go to the local

the reporters go to the local
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uh council meetings and so on and find

uh council meetings and so on and find
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out what's going on and they have

out what's going on and they have
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contacts and all that's gone that's just

contacts and all that's gone that's just
gone<03:32:19.359> i<03:32:19.439> mean

gone i mean

gone i mean
so<03:32:21.840> uh

so uh

so uh
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one of the important aspects of that is

one of the important aspects of that is
you<03:32:24.880> hear<03:32:25.120> of<03:32:25.279> somebody

you hear of somebody

you hear of somebody
uh<03:32:26.960> or<03:32:27.439> or<03:32:27.680> some<03:32:28.000> case<03:32:28.319> of<03:32:28.399> abuse<03:32:28.880> in<03:32:29.040> some<03:32:29.279> home

uh or or some case of abuse in some home

uh or or some case of abuse in some home
somewhere<03:32:30.399> that<03:32:30.640> might<03:32:30.960> then<03:32:31.200> other<03:32:31.439> people

somewhere that might then other people

somewhere that might then other people
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read about it and then come forward and

read about it and then come forward and
so<03:32:34.479> on<03:32:34.640> and

so on and

so on and
that's<03:32:35.600> much<03:32:35.920> less<03:32:36.160> likely<03:32:36.479> to<03:32:36.640> happen<03:32:36.960> today

that's much less likely to happen today

that's much less likely to happen today
so<03:32:38.479> uh

so uh

so uh
you<03:32:40.080> know<03:32:40.160> the<03:32:40.399> media<03:32:40.960> is<03:32:41.040> much<03:32:41.359> diminished<03:32:41.920> in

you know the media is much diminished in

you know the media is much diminished in
this<03:32:42.160> regard<03:32:42.880> and<03:32:43.040> that<03:32:43.439> the

this regard and that the

this regard and that the
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media is an important

media is an important
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part of the safeguarding of

part of the safeguarding of
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uh the kids and and these institutions

uh the kids and and these institutions
and<03:32:51.040> and<03:32:51.279> unfortunately<03:32:52.319> uh

and and unfortunately uh

and and unfortunately uh
um<03:32:54.399> you<03:32:54.560> know<03:32:54.720> because<03:32:55.120> of<03:32:55.600> uh

um you know because of uh

um you know because of uh
the<03:32:56.960> internet<03:32:57.520> because<03:32:57.920> of

the internet because of

the internet because of
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newspaper sales declining because of uh

newspaper sales declining because of uh
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they no longer have advertising in the

they no longer have advertising in the
newspapers<03:33:04.080> and<03:33:04.239> so<03:33:04.399> on

newspapers and so on

newspapers and so on
we<03:33:06.000> see<03:33:06.319> much<03:33:06.800> much<03:33:07.359> less

potential for those stories to come to

potential for those stories to come to
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life the report is called giving victims

life the report is called giving victims
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a voice in fact they have shouted it's

a voice in fact they have shouted it's
the<03:33:17.359> figures<03:33:17.680> that<03:33:17.840> reveal<03:33:18.160> the<03:33:18.319> depth<03:33:18.720> of

the figures that reveal the depth of

the figures that reveal the depth of
depravity<03:33:19.439> that<03:33:19.680> jimmy<03:33:20.000> savile<03:33:20.479> stooped<03:33:20.880> to

depravity that jimmy savile stooped to

depravity that jimmy savile stooped to
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during his 54 years of abuse his

during his 54 years of abuse his
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youngest victim was eight the oldest 47.

youngest victim was eight the oldest 47.
they<03:33:27.680> were<03:33:27.840> abused<03:33:28.319> in<03:33:28.479> schools<03:33:29.359> in<03:33:29.600> hospitals

they were abused in schools in hospitals

they were abused in schools in hospitals
and<03:33:30.560> in<03:33:30.640> television<03:33:31.200> studios<03:33:31.920> you<03:33:32.000> know<03:33:32.160> i

and in television studios you know i

and in television studios you know i
welcome<03:33:32.880> uh<03:33:33.279> programs<03:33:33.680> like<03:33:33.920> yours<03:33:34.479> that<03:33:35.120> keep

welcome uh programs like yours that keep

welcome uh programs like yours that keep
this<03:33:36.000> uh<03:33:36.319> in<03:33:36.399> the<03:33:36.560> public<03:33:36.960> eye<03:33:37.200> because<03:33:37.359> it's

this uh in the public eye because it's

this uh in the public eye because it's
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all too easy to think that this is this

all too easy to think that this is this
is<03:33:40.319> just<03:33:40.560> an<03:33:40.720> awful<03:33:41.120> experience<03:33:41.600> we<03:33:41.680> should

is just an awful experience we should

is just an awful experience we should
forget<03:33:42.160> it's<03:33:42.319> all<03:33:42.560> in<03:33:42.640> the<03:33:42.720> past<03:33:42.960> and<03:33:43.040> whatever

forget it's all in the past and whatever

forget it's all in the past and whatever
it's<03:33:43.760> not<03:33:44.000> and<03:33:44.080> we<03:33:44.239> have<03:33:44.399> to<03:33:44.560> stop<03:33:44.800> it<03:33:45.040> i<03:33:45.439> i<03:33:45.600> do

it's not and we have to stop it i i do

it's not and we have to stop it i i do
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think there's less of it now because of

think there's less of it now because of
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in you know the institutions are better

in you know the institutions are better
able<03:33:50.720> to<03:33:51.200> withstand<03:33:51.680> this<03:33:52.319> but<03:33:52.560> nevertheless

able to withstand this but nevertheless

able to withstand this but nevertheless
we<03:33:53.439> have<03:33:53.600> to<03:33:53.760> be<03:33:54.000> vigilant

the effect of savile the effect of

the effect of savile the effect of
exposing<03:34:03.439> savile<03:34:04.080> has<03:34:04.479> changed<03:34:04.960> people's

exposing savile has changed people's

exposing savile has changed people's
lives<03:34:05.760> and<03:34:06.000> and<03:34:06.160> i

lives and and i

lives and and i
i<03:34:07.200> don't<03:34:07.359> think<03:34:07.600> i'll<03:34:07.920> do<03:34:08.160> anything<03:34:08.800> i<03:34:08.880> do<03:34:09.040> a

i don't think i'll do anything i do a

i don't think i'll do anything i do a
lot<03:34:09.279> of<03:34:09.359> things<03:34:09.680> all<03:34:09.760> the<03:34:09.840> time<03:34:10.000> but<03:34:10.080> i<03:34:10.160> don't

lot of things all the time but i don't

lot of things all the time but i don't
think<03:34:10.479> i'll<03:34:10.640> do<03:34:10.800> anything<03:34:11.200> that<03:34:11.359> will<03:34:11.600> have

think i'll do anything that will have

think i'll do anything that will have
such<03:34:12.160> a<03:34:12.319> massive<03:34:12.800> impact<03:34:13.359> you<03:34:13.439> know<03:34:13.680> through

such a massive impact you know through

such a massive impact you know through
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my life as a police officer through my

my life as a police officer through my
life<03:34:16.560> now<03:34:16.800> as<03:34:16.880> an<03:34:17.040> investigative<03:34:17.520> reporter<03:34:18.399> i

life now as an investigative reporter i

life now as an investigative reporter i
help<03:34:18.800> people<03:34:19.200> i<03:34:19.359> change<03:34:19.680> people's<03:34:20.000> lives

help people i change people's lives

help people i change people's lives
because<03:34:20.560> i<03:34:20.720> give<03:34:20.960> them<03:34:21.200> some

because i give them some

because i give them some
some<03:34:22.399> justice<03:34:22.880> some<03:34:23.120> closure

some justice some closure

some justice some closure
but<03:34:24.960> nothing<03:34:25.439> to<03:34:25.600> the<03:34:25.760> degree<03:34:26.479> that<03:34:26.720> exposing

but nothing to the degree that exposing

but nothing to the degree that exposing
jimmy<03:34:27.600> savelle<03:34:27.920> did<03:34:28.160> that<03:34:28.399> brought<03:34:28.800> it<03:34:29.120> the

jimmy savelle did that brought it the

jimmy savelle did that brought it the
savile<03:34:29.680> effect

savile effect

savile effect
changed<03:34:31.279> people's<03:34:31.680> attitude

changed people's attitude

changed people's attitude
around<03:34:33.520> the<03:34:33.600> world<03:34:33.840> for<03:34:34.000> child<03:34:34.239> abuse<03:34:34.720> it

around the world for child abuse it

around the world for child abuse it
changed<03:34:35.279> authorities<03:34:35.920> positions

changed authorities positions

changed authorities positions
it<03:34:37.279> made<03:34:37.600> a<03:34:37.760> massive<03:34:38.160> difference<03:34:38.720> and<03:34:38.960> and<03:34:39.120> i

it made a massive difference and and i

it made a massive difference and and i
for<03:34:39.600> that<03:34:40.319> you<03:34:40.479> know<03:34:40.640> i'm<03:34:40.880> i'm<03:34:41.120> incredibly

for that you know i'm i'm incredibly

for that you know i'm i'm incredibly
proud

proud

proud
to<03:34:43.279> have<03:34:43.359> been<03:34:43.520> involved<03:34:43.840> with<03:34:44.000> that<03:34:44.399> i'm

to have been involved with that i'm

to have been involved with that i'm
incredibly<03:34:45.760> lucky<03:34:46.560> that<03:34:46.800> i<03:34:46.880> had<03:34:47.040> that

incredibly lucky that i had that

incredibly lucky that i had that
opportunity

opportunity

opportunity
and<03:34:49.439> you<03:34:49.600> know<03:34:49.760> there<03:34:50.000> are<03:34:50.479> i<03:34:50.640> suppose<03:34:51.040> three

and you know there are i suppose three

and you know there are i suppose three
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people that made that happen which was

people that made that happen which was
my<03:34:53.600> producer

my producer

my producer
leslie<03:34:55.200> gardner<03:34:55.760> my<03:34:55.920> assistant<03:34:56.319> producer

leslie gardner my assistant producer

leslie gardner my assistant producer
rebecca<03:34:57.520> hoggarth<03:34:58.319> and<03:34:58.800> alex<03:34:59.120> gardner<03:34:59.520> who

rebecca hoggarth and alex gardner who

rebecca hoggarth and alex gardner who
was<03:34:59.760> my<03:34:59.920> exec<03:35:00.160> producer<03:35:00.560> without<03:35:00.960> those

was my exec producer without those

was my exec producer without those
three<03:35:02.319> people<03:35:03.120> by<03:35:03.279> my<03:35:03.520> side

three people by my side

three people by my side
we<03:35:04.560> would<03:35:04.800> never<03:35:05.120> have<03:35:05.200> got<03:35:05.359> this<03:35:05.600> broadcast

one could talk a long time

one could talk a long time
about<03:35:11.040> why<03:35:11.200> you<03:35:11.359> believe<03:35:11.680> in<03:35:11.840> god

about why you believe in god

about why you believe in god
but<03:35:12.960> to<03:35:13.120> encapsulate<03:35:13.920> it

but to encapsulate it

but to encapsulate it
i

i

i
believe<03:35:16.319> in<03:35:16.399> god<03:35:16.720> because

believe in god because

believe in god because
if<03:35:18.080> nothing<03:35:18.399> else<03:35:18.640> it's<03:35:18.880> a<03:35:18.960> good<03:35:19.200> gamble

if nothing else it's a good gamble

if nothing else it's a good gamble
if<03:35:21.600> we

if we

if we
went<03:35:22.640> through<03:35:22.880> life<03:35:23.200> thinking<03:35:23.520> that<03:35:23.680> when<03:35:23.920> we

went through life thinking that when we

went through life thinking that when we
die<03:35:24.800> we<03:35:25.040> rot<03:35:25.520> and<03:35:25.680> that's<03:35:26.000> it<03:35:26.239> gone<03:35:26.479> finito

die we rot and that's it gone finito

die we rot and that's it gone finito
that's<03:35:28.479> all<03:35:28.720> right<03:35:29.200> but<03:35:29.439> it's<03:35:29.680> much<03:35:29.920> nicer<03:35:30.319> to

that's all right but it's much nicer to

that's all right but it's much nicer to
go<03:35:30.640> through<03:35:30.960> life

go through life

go through life
with<03:35:32.319> a<03:35:32.479> faith<03:35:32.960> thinking<03:35:33.359> that<03:35:34.000> maybe<03:35:34.319> when<03:35:34.479> we

with a faith thinking that maybe when we

with a faith thinking that maybe when we
die

die

die
we<03:35:36.000> go<03:35:36.319> on<03:35:36.640> to<03:35:37.279> even<03:35:37.600> a<03:35:37.680> better<03:35:38.000> life<03:35:38.319> than<03:35:38.479> this

we go on to even a better life than this

we go on to even a better life than this
who<03:35:39.920> knows

so just remember this

so just remember this
it<03:36:12.560> wasn't<03:36:12.800> the<03:36:12.960> police<03:36:13.760> that<03:36:14.000> exposed<03:36:14.479> savile

it wasn't the police that exposed savile

it wasn't the police that exposed savile
it<03:36:15.359> was<03:36:15.600> a<03:36:15.760> journalist

that's why the media is so important

that's why the media is so important
especially<03:36:24.399> the<03:36:24.560> alternative<03:36:25.359> media<03:36:26.399> because

especially the alternative media because

especially the alternative media because
look<03:36:26.880> at<03:36:26.960> how<03:36:27.200> mainstream<03:36:27.920> covered<03:36:28.239> this<03:36:28.560> up

look at how mainstream covered this up

look at how mainstream covered this up
when<03:36:30.640> the<03:36:30.800> authorities<03:36:31.520> fail<03:36:31.760> to<03:36:31.840> do<03:36:32.000> their

when the authorities fail to do their

when the authorities fail to do their
job

job

job
the<03:36:33.439> media<03:36:34.000> should<03:36:34.239> hold<03:36:34.560> them<03:36:34.880> to<03:36:35.120> account

if we take one thing from this

if we take one thing from this
documentary

documentary

documentary
and<03:36:41.840> it's<03:36:42.080> part<03:36:42.319> of<03:36:42.479> our<03:36:42.640> mission<03:36:43.040> statement

and it's part of our mission statement

and it's part of our mission statement
on<03:36:43.680> this<03:36:44.000> channel

on this channel

on this channel
is<03:36:45.279> that<03:36:45.760> victims<03:36:46.880> need<03:36:47.040> to<03:36:47.120> be<03:36:47.359> taken

is that victims need to be taken

is that victims need to be taken
seriously

seriously

seriously
and<03:36:49.279> their<03:36:49.520> voices<03:36:50.000> must<03:36:50.319> be<03:36:50.479> heard

the more we understand

the more we understand
the<03:36:55.600> nature<03:36:56.160> of<03:36:56.640> abuse

the nature of abuse

the nature of abuse
the<03:36:58.800> more<03:36:59.040> we<03:36:59.200> can<03:36:59.359> put<03:36:59.600> in<03:36:59.840> place<03:37:00.479> measures<03:37:01.359> to

the more we can put in place measures to

the more we can put in place measures to
tackle<03:37:02.000> the<03:37:02.160> problem

we absolutely cannot allow another

we absolutely cannot allow another
psychopath

psychopath

psychopath
like<03:37:13.680> jimmy<03:37:14.080> savile

like jimmy savile

like jimmy savile
to<03:37:15.520> run<03:37:15.840> wild

to run wild

to run wild
spreading<03:37:17.520> his<03:37:17.760> evil<03:37:18.479> ever<03:37:18.800> again

spreading his evil ever again

spreading his evil ever again
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