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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:44,177 --> 00:00:44,210 Okay. 2 00:00:49,516 --> 00:00:50,884 I know you've been reluctant 3 00:00:50,950 --> 00:00:52,352 to speak on camera about 4 00:00:52,419 --> 00:00:54,687 your relationship with Michael until now. 5 00:00:54,754 --> 00:00:56,623 So thank you. 6 00:00:56,723 --> 00:00:58,525 Of course. 7 00:00:58,591 --> 00:01:00,427 How long have you been together? 8 00:01:00,527 --> 00:01:02,395 Hm... 12 years. 9 00:01:02,462 --> 00:01:04,731 Right after the trial ended. 10 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:07,200 How did you meet? 11 00:01:07,267 --> 00:01:08,735 Well... 12 00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:14,107 Hm... 13 00:01:15,708 --> 00:01:17,577 C-Can we start with something else? 14 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:19,446 Okay, let's start with today. 15 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,782 Do you think today is proof 16 00:01:22,882 --> 00:01:25,819 that the justice system works? 17 00:01:27,987 --> 00:01:29,389 It's hard to say. 18 00:01:34,327 --> 00:01:36,062 What is justice? 19 00:01:36,129 --> 00:01:36,796 I've said from day one 20 00:01:36,896 --> 00:01:39,299 that it can only be one thing. 21 00:01:51,077 --> 00:01:53,279 This is Sonya Pfeiffer for ABC 11 News. 22 00:01:53,346 --> 00:01:54,981 It's been a long and winding journey, but we're here. 23 00:01:55,081 --> 00:01:58,151 Day one of the Michael Peterson trial. 24 00:01:58,251 --> 00:01:59,419 A year and a-- 25 00:01:59,486 --> 00:02:00,987 A trial's simply two sides 26 00:02:01,087 --> 00:02:03,256 competing to tell a better story. 27 00:02:03,323 --> 00:02:04,657 We're gonna contend to you 28 00:02:04,757 --> 00:02:07,093 that after a vicious argument with his wife, 29 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,431 Michael Peterson murdered Kathleen 30 00:02:11,498 --> 00:02:14,601 in cold blood, beating her in the head... 31 00:02:16,603 --> 00:02:17,937 with this. 32 00:02:19,038 --> 00:02:20,840 And where is this 33 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:23,176 elusive murder weapon? 34 00:02:23,276 --> 00:02:28,014 They can't find it because it doesn't exist. 35 00:02:28,114 --> 00:02:32,452 The fact of the matter is, Kathleen had some wine, 36 00:02:32,519 --> 00:02:35,688 some champagne, and some Valium 37 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:37,690 and fell. 38 00:02:37,790 --> 00:02:39,859 And 12 jurors declare 39 00:02:39,959 --> 00:02:40,960 one of the stories the winne. 40 00:02:41,027 --> 00:02:44,197 And that story becomes justice. 41 00:02:44,297 --> 00:02:46,199 And what sort of sexual activities 42 00:02:46,299 --> 00:02:48,301 would you perform for men 43 00:02:48,368 --> 00:02:49,169 that you might have been prepared 44 00:02:49,235 --> 00:02:52,305 to perform with Michael Peterson? 45 00:02:52,372 --> 00:02:55,508 I mean, pretty much anything under the sun. 46 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:10,089 I mean, pretty much anything under the sun. 47 00:03:12,825 --> 00:03:15,061 Is it fair to say the men you serviced 48 00:03:15,161 --> 00:03:19,732 were bisexual as opposed to being homosexual? 49 00:03:19,832 --> 00:03:22,202 I'd go so far as to say that they were 50 00:03:22,268 --> 00:03:23,169 mostly straight married guys 51 00:03:23,236 --> 00:03:27,006 with some minor homosexual tendencies. 52 00:03:29,175 --> 00:03:33,746 Can you identify state's exhibit 72 for me, please? 53 00:03:33,846 --> 00:03:37,250 Yes, that is my... blow poke. 54 00:03:38,017 --> 00:03:41,087 You blow through it. 55 00:03:41,187 --> 00:03:42,922 And you gave one of these blow pokes 56 00:03:43,022 --> 00:03:44,257 to every member of your family? 57 00:03:44,357 --> 00:03:48,194 Yes. For Christmas of 1984. 58 00:03:48,261 --> 00:03:49,128 Including Kathleen? 59 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:52,799 Yes. She was not only my older sister, 60 00:03:52,899 --> 00:03:56,236 but she was my best friend. 61 00:03:56,302 --> 00:03:58,137 You did state to police 62 00:03:58,238 --> 00:04:00,974 the only relationship you saw 63 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:03,876 between Michael and Kathleen 64 00:04:03,943 --> 00:04:06,813 was a "truly loving, 65 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:09,816 respectful marriage." 66 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:10,783 Right? 67 00:04:10,883 --> 00:04:12,952 That was an old version of me. 68 00:04:13,052 --> 00:04:14,320 The new informed me, 69 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:16,289 the me sitting here in this courtroom, 70 00:04:16,389 --> 00:04:20,126 can confidently say that I have no idea 71 00:04:20,226 --> 00:04:23,062 who the hell Michael Peterson was then 72 00:04:23,129 --> 00:04:23,997 or is now. 73 00:04:24,097 --> 00:04:25,331 Does that clear it up for yo? 74 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:28,735 Justice is a, is a construct 75 00:04:28,801 --> 00:04:31,838 little more than a game, 76 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:36,175 a game that shapes the outcome of a man's life. 77 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:39,145 As for what's happening today, 78 00:04:39,245 --> 00:04:41,347 this feels bigger than justice. 79 00:04:42,582 --> 00:04:44,183 I would say, um, it's fate. 80 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,456 You've got cast-off outside the header 81 00:04:50,523 --> 00:04:51,858 and on the west wall of the hallway. 82 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:54,093 How could that happen? 83 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,194 The assailant was standing 84 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,830 on the outside of the stairwell, 85 00:04:57,930 --> 00:05:00,166 swingin' the weapon... 86 00:05:05,004 --> 00:05:08,274 and creating this 87 00:05:08,341 --> 00:05:10,443 blood cast-off pattern. 88 00:05:10,510 --> 00:05:13,846 So to be clear, in your opinion, 89 00:05:13,946 --> 00:05:16,382 this had to have been a beating? 90 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:17,650 That's correct. 91 00:05:17,717 --> 00:05:19,218 The impact spatter 92 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:23,156 on the inside of the defendant's shorts 93 00:05:23,222 --> 00:05:24,223 simply does not occur 94 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:28,227 unless he's standing over her as he strikes. 95 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:29,829 And that's consistent with crime scenes 96 00:05:29,896 --> 00:05:32,465 you've overseen in the past? 97 00:05:32,532 --> 00:05:34,067 This is extremely consistent. 98 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:36,969 And why should we trust you? 99 00:05:37,036 --> 00:05:41,040 Well, sir, I've written over 200 bloodstain reports 100 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:44,711 and overseen... 500 scenes. 101 00:05:44,811 --> 00:05:46,412 That guy looks like a penis. 102 00:05:48,848 --> 00:05:51,217 No further questions, Your Honor. 103 00:05:51,317 --> 00:05:52,385 You may be dismissed. 104 00:05:52,485 --> 00:05:55,021 - Let's take a 10-minute recess. - Jesus. 105 00:05:55,088 --> 00:05:57,890 It looks bad on TV, dude. 106 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:59,025 What do I keep telling you? 107 00:05:59,092 --> 00:06:01,661 Do not watch that shit. 108 00:06:01,728 --> 00:06:03,429 Yeah, but the commentators are saying-- 109 00:06:03,529 --> 00:06:06,866 Hey, listen to what I am saying. 110 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:07,767 I am sitting here where it's real. 111 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:10,670 We gotta get going. 112 00:06:10,737 --> 00:06:13,206 Things are going great. Okay? 113 00:06:13,272 --> 00:06:14,574 When Radisch takes the stand, things are gonna go our way. 114 00:06:14,674 --> 00:06:18,745 Yeah, look, I-- I just really feel like I should be there. 115 00:06:18,845 --> 00:06:19,912 Clay, hold on. Hold on one second. 116 00:06:20,012 --> 00:06:22,849 Alright. I'm headed back to Reno. 117 00:06:22,915 --> 00:06:23,950 I'll see you in a week and a half. 118 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:25,351 Todd! 119 00:06:27,086 --> 00:06:27,286 Todd. 120 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:34,861 So... tomorrow is huge. 121 00:06:34,927 --> 00:06:38,197 They're going big, showing these autopsy photos. 122 00:06:38,264 --> 00:06:41,868 So we really need everyone there. 123 00:06:41,934 --> 00:06:43,302 Arm-in-arm. United front. 124 00:06:47,273 --> 00:06:49,642 I can't go. I'm sorry. I can't. 125 00:06:50,309 --> 00:06:53,613 Okay, I hear that. I do. 126 00:06:53,713 --> 00:06:55,715 And no one's going to force you. 127 00:06:55,782 --> 00:06:56,916 Of course, you're going to force me. 128 00:06:56,983 --> 00:06:59,719 That's what this meeting is about. 129 00:06:59,786 --> 00:07:01,454 I mean, would anyone really notice 130 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:02,622 if she wasn't there? 131 00:07:03,623 --> 00:07:07,994 Um, I mean, maybe 10, 15 years ago, no. 132 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:09,429 But, you know, now there's... 133 00:07:11,631 --> 00:07:12,765 cameras everywhere. 134 00:07:12,832 --> 00:07:13,499 Everyone sees everything. 135 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:15,468 So... 136 00:07:16,669 --> 00:07:18,971 if you're absent and Caitlin is there... 137 00:07:19,071 --> 00:07:20,973 Optics aren't great. 138 00:07:21,073 --> 00:07:23,810 I mean, Clayton's been asking to come home. 139 00:07:23,910 --> 00:07:26,846 - You know, maybe he should-- - No, no, no. 140 00:07:26,946 --> 00:07:29,182 No, not for this. Just keep pushing him off. 141 00:07:29,282 --> 00:07:30,616 Okay. 142 00:07:31,651 --> 00:07:32,452 Well, maybe Martha could take 143 00:07:32,518 --> 00:07:35,621 one of Kathleen's Valium, you know. 144 00:07:35,688 --> 00:07:38,458 - Or just a half. - No. No! I'm not going to go. 145 00:07:38,524 --> 00:07:40,660 I'm not going. I'm not going to sit there and watch. 146 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,994 I'm not going to do it. 147 00:07:42,094 --> 00:07:42,829 I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm not going. 148 00:07:42,929 --> 00:07:44,464 I'm not going. 149 00:07:44,530 --> 00:07:45,998 State your name and profession 150 00:07:46,098 --> 00:07:48,634 for the court, please. 151 00:07:48,701 --> 00:07:51,370 My name is Dr. Deborah L. Radisch. 152 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:53,039 I'm a forensic pathologist 153 00:07:53,139 --> 00:07:54,207 and the associate chief medical examiner 154 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,676 for the state of North Carolina. 155 00:07:56,776 --> 00:07:59,545 And you performed the autopsy on Kathleen Peterson? 156 00:07:59,645 --> 00:08:00,813 That is correct. 157 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,014 If it pleases the court, 158 00:08:02,114 --> 00:08:05,351 I'd like to display exhibit 79a and 79b, 159 00:08:05,451 --> 00:08:07,653 in a large format for easy viewing. 160 00:08:08,621 --> 00:08:11,691 These images are... graphic. 161 00:08:11,791 --> 00:08:14,160 Proceed. 162 00:08:14,227 --> 00:08:15,628 I think I'm going to have a panic attack. 163 00:08:38,818 --> 00:08:40,253 Yeah... 164 00:08:55,167 --> 00:08:57,503 - Can't we object? - Shh. 165 00:08:57,570 --> 00:08:59,572 - David, stop her-- - Not now. 166 00:09:01,107 --> 00:09:02,508 Dr. Radisch, 167 00:09:02,575 --> 00:09:04,677 you ruled Kathleen's death a homicide. 168 00:09:04,744 --> 00:09:06,412 I did. 169 00:09:06,512 --> 00:09:07,947 From blunt force trauma to the head. 170 00:09:10,016 --> 00:09:11,951 You think the fractured cartilage 171 00:09:12,051 --> 00:09:14,420 in Kathleen's thyroid indicates 172 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,790 that a strangulation attempt is merely possible? 173 00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:19,258 It's more than possible. It's probable. 174 00:09:19,358 --> 00:09:24,063 But your report said it was only, 175 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:27,967 what, suggestive of a strangulation attempt? 176 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,937 I would say it was highly, highly likely 177 00:09:31,037 --> 00:09:33,539 an attempt at strangulation was made. 178 00:09:33,606 --> 00:09:36,909 But can you say that with a reasonable degree 179 00:09:36,976 --> 00:09:38,778 of medical certainty? 180 00:09:38,878 --> 00:09:41,080 Yes. Yes, I can. 181 00:09:41,147 --> 00:09:44,116 Okay. Then would you say with a reasonable degree 182 00:09:44,216 --> 00:09:48,955 of medical certainty that Kathleen Peterson was killed 183 00:09:49,055 --> 00:09:51,457 by blunt force trauma to the head? 184 00:09:51,557 --> 00:09:52,491 Yes. 185 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:55,761 - Okay. May I approach? - Yes. 186 00:09:57,229 --> 00:10:00,566 I just want to put these binders up here. 187 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:02,768 - Ms. Radisch. - Dr. Radisch. 188 00:10:02,835 --> 00:10:04,904 Forgive me, Dr. Radisch. 189 00:10:04,971 --> 00:10:07,106 Um, I want you to tell me 190 00:10:07,173 --> 00:10:10,142 if, um, these appear to be a collection 191 00:10:10,242 --> 00:10:11,811 of all the autopsies 192 00:10:11,911 --> 00:10:15,581 involving blunt force trauma to the head in North Carolina 193 00:10:15,648 --> 00:10:18,618 from 1991 to 2003. 194 00:10:18,684 --> 00:10:19,986 Objection. 195 00:10:20,086 --> 00:10:20,820 Overruled. 196 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,989 She may respond however she'd like. 197 00:10:27,326 --> 00:10:30,196 I don't think I can give you an accurate answer to that. 198 00:10:30,296 --> 00:10:31,497 - Not today. - Alright. 199 00:10:31,597 --> 00:10:35,601 Alright. Well, we went back at least a decade 200 00:10:35,668 --> 00:10:40,373 and pulled the case files for every beating death 201 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,541 in the state of North Carolina. 202 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:46,012 Two hundred fifty-seven, to be precise, 203 00:10:46,112 --> 00:10:49,382 and found that in every case, 204 00:10:50,282 --> 00:10:53,452 whether the object was hollow 205 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:54,987 or hard 206 00:10:55,054 --> 00:10:57,189 or thin or heavy, 207 00:10:57,289 --> 00:11:00,026 every single time, 208 00:11:01,394 --> 00:11:04,563 the beating resulted in either a skull fracture 209 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:07,533 or massive injury to the brain. 210 00:11:08,467 --> 00:11:10,302 In many cases, it was both. 211 00:11:10,369 --> 00:11:12,805 Are you aware of this? 212 00:11:12,872 --> 00:11:14,173 No. Because like I said, 213 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,008 I haven't had a chance to review these-- 214 00:11:16,075 --> 00:11:18,077 Alright. Well, let's, let's just assume 215 00:11:18,177 --> 00:11:19,979 for right now that it's true... 216 00:11:20,413 --> 00:11:22,181 which it is. 217 00:11:25,985 --> 00:11:29,855 Kathleen Peterson didn't have any skull fracture, did she? 218 00:11:29,922 --> 00:11:31,924 She didn't, but she did have a multitude... 219 00:11:32,024 --> 00:11:34,593 - Doctor-- - ...of facial injuries and broken cartilage. 220 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,762 These-- These are yes-or-no questions, Doctor. 221 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:39,165 Was there skull fracturing? 222 00:11:39,899 --> 00:11:41,734 No, there wasn't. 223 00:11:41,834 --> 00:11:45,171 She also didn't have any broken bones. 224 00:11:45,237 --> 00:11:47,940 - No. - Or contusions on the brain. 225 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,609 No, she did not. 226 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:53,045 Or edema, did she? 227 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:53,713 No. 228 00:11:56,682 --> 00:11:59,752 Given that some combination of these 229 00:11:59,852 --> 00:12:04,690 was found in literally every one of these cases... 230 00:12:07,259 --> 00:12:11,097 is it possible in order to reach the conclusion 231 00:12:11,197 --> 00:12:14,433 that Kathleen Peterson's death was... 232 00:12:15,601 --> 00:12:16,902 a homicide... 233 00:12:19,371 --> 00:12:21,107 that you were coached by the DA? 234 00:12:21,207 --> 00:12:22,541 Objection. 235 00:12:22,608 --> 00:12:24,276 - Withdrawn. 236 00:12:26,779 --> 00:12:29,248 Nothing further, Your Honor. 237 00:12:29,315 --> 00:12:29,715 You may be dismissed. 238 00:12:58,244 --> 00:12:59,745 Did I ever tell you about the first time I heard classical music? 239 00:13:03,315 --> 00:13:04,650 My parents and I were, uh, we're driving back 240 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:06,752 from a Little League game and, um... 241 00:13:09,021 --> 00:13:11,157 I was upset about something. 242 00:13:11,257 --> 00:13:12,158 I guess we must have lost. 243 00:13:13,092 --> 00:13:15,027 And, uh... 244 00:13:16,428 --> 00:13:19,265 we were listening to, uh, to Armed Forces Radio, 245 00:13:19,331 --> 00:13:21,033 which was, you know, it was the only, 246 00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:24,136 only station we could get growing up near Dad's base. 247 00:13:24,203 --> 00:13:26,605 And as we were pulling up to the house, 248 00:13:27,273 --> 00:13:27,773 a sweet little place, 249 00:13:29,441 --> 00:13:29,809 this came on. 250 00:13:32,945 --> 00:13:34,146 Mahler's Fifth. 251 00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:36,615 First Movement. 252 00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:41,220 My dad went to turn it off, and I grabbed his hand. 253 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,788 I said, "Stop. No." 254 00:13:48,527 --> 00:13:50,563 It was the most fabulous thing I'd ever heard. 255 00:13:52,898 --> 00:13:54,366 Now, Dad didn't listen. 256 00:13:54,466 --> 00:13:56,368 He just flipped it off, went inside. 257 00:13:56,468 --> 00:13:58,504 He never liked to be too far from his bourbon. 258 00:13:59,705 --> 00:14:01,874 But my dear mother, 259 00:14:01,974 --> 00:14:04,176 she turned the radio back on, 260 00:14:04,243 --> 00:14:05,978 and she stayed in the car with me. 261 00:14:07,813 --> 00:14:08,814 And we listened. 262 00:14:14,587 --> 00:14:15,888 And the music... 263 00:14:19,558 --> 00:14:20,926 washed over me. 264 00:14:21,026 --> 00:14:23,562 Just... it overwhelmed me. 265 00:14:25,764 --> 00:14:28,033 And I was... 266 00:14:29,335 --> 00:14:30,536 hooked. 267 00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:35,841 Just so much emotion, 268 00:14:35,908 --> 00:14:38,110 so much drama, so much truth. 269 00:14:40,579 --> 00:14:43,015 All without saying a single word. 270 00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:52,858 David won't let me talk, so I take it out on you. 271 00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:55,427 I don't know how you're gonna get all my 272 00:14:55,527 --> 00:14:58,898 rambling into one film. 273 00:14:58,964 --> 00:15:01,233 Our editor is suggesting we make it longer, actually. 274 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:05,638 TV series. Maybe six or eight episodes. 275 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,239 Really? 276 00:15:07,306 --> 00:15:09,074 Oh. This is the part. 277 00:15:28,294 --> 00:15:29,929 The facts of the case suggest truth 278 00:15:29,995 --> 00:15:31,764 is indeed stranger than fiction. 279 00:15:31,830 --> 00:15:33,632 A second woman, Elizabeth Ratliff, 280 00:15:33,732 --> 00:15:36,802 mother to Martha and Margaret Ratliff, 281 00:15:36,902 --> 00:15:39,171 was found dead at the bottom of the stairs 282 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:41,607 20 years ago in Germany. 283 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:42,474 The coffin will leave its Texan home 284 00:15:42,574 --> 00:15:44,977 and begin a 1,200-mile journey 285 00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:47,479 across middle America to North Carolina, 286 00:15:47,579 --> 00:15:49,014 where an autopsy will be performed 287 00:15:49,114 --> 00:15:50,316 by medical examiner Deborah L. Radisch. 288 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:53,919 Do you believe in objectivity? 289 00:15:55,587 --> 00:15:56,956 No. 290 00:15:57,022 --> 00:15:59,358 The only way to get close to objectivity 291 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:01,827 is by recognizing how subjective we are. 292 00:16:01,927 --> 00:16:05,364 We see the world based on our past experiences. 293 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:08,667 And I think the only way to get close to objectivity 294 00:16:08,767 --> 00:16:10,202 is to realize it doesn't exist. 295 00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:31,457 Doesn't look good, Mike. 296 00:16:39,131 --> 00:16:41,300 Both at the bottom of the stairs, 297 00:16:41,367 --> 00:16:43,202 both have seven lacerations. 298 00:16:43,302 --> 00:16:44,069 Peterson... 299 00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:46,705 Ratliff. 300 00:16:46,805 --> 00:16:48,474 They look nothing alike. 301 00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:51,143 And they're saying that the brain was clean. 302 00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:52,478 No signs of an aneurysm. 303 00:16:53,512 --> 00:16:54,913 In what fucking universe 304 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,215 can they assign the same person 305 00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:58,250 that did Kathleen's autopsy to do Liz's? 306 00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:00,586 It's a conflict of interest. 307 00:17:04,022 --> 00:17:04,656 Why didn't you stop this? 308 00:17:04,723 --> 00:17:07,493 You went too hard at her, Dave. 309 00:17:09,495 --> 00:17:10,996 Radisch? 310 00:17:11,063 --> 00:17:12,331 Oh, I'm sorry, 311 00:17:12,398 --> 00:17:14,199 was I supposed to take it easy on her? 312 00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:26,078 What does this mean? 313 00:17:26,178 --> 00:17:28,347 Like, really mean? Like, no spin, no bullshit. 314 00:17:28,414 --> 00:17:29,748 What, what can Hardin do with this? 315 00:17:29,848 --> 00:17:31,617 They're going to call more witnesses. 316 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:34,520 People from Germany who were there, 317 00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:36,522 - who remember it. - Remember what? 318 00:17:36,588 --> 00:17:39,591 It was 25 years ago, and nothing happened. 319 00:17:40,859 --> 00:17:43,128 The Germans said there was an aneurysm. 320 00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:44,029 You know, there wasn't even any blood. 321 00:17:44,096 --> 00:17:47,232 Well, there was some blood, Michael. 322 00:17:52,104 --> 00:17:53,405 So, what's the strategy? 323 00:17:53,472 --> 00:17:57,743 We keep appealing to common sense. 324 00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,913 This is a strange coincidence, nothing more. 325 00:18:00,979 --> 00:18:05,617 There is no such thing as a staircase killer 326 00:18:05,717 --> 00:18:07,920 who emerges every 20 years 327 00:18:07,986 --> 00:18:10,456 to hurl his victims down the steps. 328 00:18:10,556 --> 00:18:11,824 Okay. 329 00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:14,460 - Caitlin, are you going to be the best dancer... - I'm gonna try. 330 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,463 Yeah. We need help. - I'm getting this. 331 00:18:17,563 --> 00:18:18,831 - I'll show you. - Okay. 332 00:18:19,565 --> 00:18:20,632 One, two... 333 00:18:20,732 --> 00:18:22,801 - I always-- - No! 334 00:18:22,901 --> 00:18:25,170 We'll try again, we'll try again, we'll try again. 335 00:18:32,744 --> 00:18:34,480 What are you doing here? 336 00:18:34,580 --> 00:18:36,915 Well, so the DA's whole case revolves 337 00:18:36,982 --> 00:18:40,786 around proving that Dad beat Mom... 338 00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:42,488 uh, Kathleen, with the blow poke. 339 00:18:42,588 --> 00:18:45,657 So what I'm doing 340 00:18:45,757 --> 00:18:47,526 is I'm looking through all these videos 341 00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:49,862 to prove that it's been missing for a while. 342 00:18:50,429 --> 00:18:51,130 And has it? 343 00:18:51,196 --> 00:18:53,499 Mostly. It doesn't seem to be there. 344 00:18:55,667 --> 00:18:59,171 Is this project related to the second autopsy finding? 345 00:19:03,108 --> 00:19:04,810 It's... 346 00:19:04,877 --> 00:19:06,211 it's my fault, you know, I could have said no. 347 00:19:08,447 --> 00:19:09,448 Right? 348 00:19:16,221 --> 00:19:18,857 Caitlin. Hi! 349 00:19:18,957 --> 00:19:20,459 - Hello. - Merry Christmas. 350 00:19:29,134 --> 00:19:30,536 That's all you're getting. 351 00:19:34,139 --> 00:19:35,574 It looks delicious. 352 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,576 All right... 353 00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:38,243 Merry Christmas. 354 00:19:46,985 --> 00:19:48,987 You didn't remember to pick up my suit, did you? 355 00:19:49,054 --> 00:19:50,489 I have that town hall debate. 356 00:19:50,989 --> 00:19:52,891 It's at the VA. 357 00:19:54,826 --> 00:19:55,194 In your closet. 358 00:19:57,663 --> 00:19:59,064 The plumber is coming to fix the pipes 359 00:19:59,164 --> 00:20:00,399 but we need to do something about the bats 360 00:20:00,499 --> 00:20:00,899 or else it'll happen again. 361 00:20:00,999 --> 00:20:03,168 We will. We will. 362 00:20:04,069 --> 00:20:07,339 - How's the neck? - Oh, much better. 363 00:20:07,406 --> 00:20:08,407 Except when it hurts. 364 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,912 ...as he continues to make gains in Afghanistan 365 00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:16,515 with the help of British forces. 366 00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:18,717 Bush continues to assure the world 367 00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:20,519 that this war is a war on terrorism... 368 00:20:20,586 --> 00:20:22,921 - ...not on Afghanistan itself. 369 00:20:23,021 --> 00:20:24,723 Al Qaeda is to blame... 370 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:27,125 Oh... 371 00:20:28,527 --> 00:20:29,127 Ohh! 372 00:20:43,875 --> 00:20:46,278 I feel like you're mad at me. 373 00:20:49,281 --> 00:20:51,583 I'm upset, yeah, because you were late. 374 00:20:52,884 --> 00:20:54,953 Well, I'm sorry. I was, um, studying. 375 00:20:55,053 --> 00:20:56,922 I mean late again. You're always late. So... 376 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:00,659 Alright. Well, I just said I was sorry, so... 377 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,829 Well you're always sorry, but nothing ever seems to change. 378 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:06,298 Okay. 379 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:09,501 Um, what's going on here? Where is this coming from? 380 00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:16,141 Not everyone gets a second chance 381 00:21:16,241 --> 00:21:16,908 - in life, Clayton. - Oh, okay. 382 00:21:16,975 --> 00:21:19,478 - But you did. - Yeah. Okay. 383 00:21:19,578 --> 00:21:21,813 And you seem determined to screw it right up. 384 00:21:21,913 --> 00:21:22,848 Look, I did my time, alright? 385 00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:25,651 I don't give a shit about spring break, Clayton! 386 00:21:25,751 --> 00:21:27,686 Jesus. 387 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:30,289 I'm still pissed about what happened in July. 388 00:21:30,355 --> 00:21:32,124 - Okay? - Wait. For real? 389 00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:33,925 Yeah, for real! 390 00:21:33,992 --> 00:21:35,927 It was a big deal. 391 00:21:35,994 --> 00:21:37,696 And you really don't seem to understand that. 392 00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:38,830 If Becky is completely over it, 393 00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:41,133 why do you get to hold some kind of a grudge about it? 394 00:21:41,199 --> 00:21:42,934 - That's total bullshit! - Okay. Alright. 395 00:21:43,001 --> 00:21:43,835 - You know what? - You're treating me like I'm, 396 00:21:43,935 --> 00:21:44,670 like I'm some kind of a fucking child. 397 00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:46,471 You're right. 398 00:21:46,538 --> 00:21:48,006 You're a totally responsible, 399 00:21:48,106 --> 00:21:49,508 fully formed adult. 400 00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:50,375 So... yeah, 401 00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:53,679 let's just listen to the radio in silence 402 00:21:53,779 --> 00:21:54,813 while I drive you to school. 403 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,281 You know what, Kathleen, you go around acting like 404 00:21:56,348 --> 00:21:59,051 you're so morally superior to everyone. 405 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:01,653 You've never copped to the fact that you started fucking my dad 406 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,355 when he was still married to my mom. 407 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:07,292 What, I... 408 00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:11,296 Who told you that? 409 00:22:11,363 --> 00:22:12,798 We all know. 410 00:22:12,864 --> 00:22:13,865 We just don't rub your face in it. 411 00:22:13,965 --> 00:22:15,400 You're a fucking hypocrite. 412 00:22:22,207 --> 00:22:23,709 You mind your temper, Clayton. 413 00:22:25,811 --> 00:22:27,379 North Carolina's medical examiner 414 00:22:27,479 --> 00:22:30,816 has released new information on Elizabeth Ratliff. 415 00:22:30,882 --> 00:22:32,584 And in a shocking turn of events, 416 00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:36,722 the autopsy reveals a second staircase murder. 417 00:22:36,822 --> 00:22:39,091 The prosecution announced this morning 418 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:39,858 they'll be flying in a key witness 419 00:22:39,925 --> 00:22:43,061 from Germany, Agnes Schafer, 420 00:22:43,161 --> 00:22:45,430 nanny to Martha and Margaret, 421 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,899 Ratliff's biological daughters. 422 00:22:47,999 --> 00:22:51,103 I got there at 7:30 in the morning like always. 423 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:53,905 And it was the first thing I saw, 424 00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:55,340 Liz just lying there like a doll. 425 00:22:57,008 --> 00:22:59,611 Was there blood? 426 00:22:59,711 --> 00:23:01,747 Oh yes. Everywhere. 427 00:23:01,847 --> 00:23:04,583 The floor. The walls. The stairs. 428 00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:07,185 Blood everywhere. 429 00:23:07,252 --> 00:23:09,221 What did you do next? 430 00:23:09,287 --> 00:23:11,556 Well, my first concern 431 00:23:11,623 --> 00:23:13,258 was for Martha-Baby and Little Gee-Gee. 432 00:23:13,358 --> 00:23:15,293 I loved these little girls so much. 433 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:20,265 I... I went upstairs and got them. 434 00:23:20,365 --> 00:23:22,934 - And then what? - I made sure they were okay. 435 00:23:24,202 --> 00:23:25,270 And then I went to the toilet and vomited. 436 00:23:29,207 --> 00:23:30,575 Ease up. 437 00:23:30,642 --> 00:23:31,543 And after that? 438 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:34,713 I went and got Michael next door. 439 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:36,281 He came in, took a look around, 440 00:23:36,381 --> 00:23:41,086 and said that Liz had a brain aneurysm 441 00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:44,256 and that she must have fallen down the stairs from that. 442 00:23:44,322 --> 00:23:47,392 And had anyone with any medical authority arrived 443 00:23:47,459 --> 00:23:50,095 who could verify this guess of his? 444 00:23:50,162 --> 00:23:54,433 No. Michael sort of proclaimed it. 445 00:23:54,499 --> 00:23:56,301 And... and then it was true. 446 00:23:56,401 --> 00:23:58,970 That's when I started getting a feeling. 447 00:23:59,070 --> 00:24:01,973 What sort of feeling? 448 00:24:02,073 --> 00:24:03,942 That Michael had done something horrible. 449 00:24:04,009 --> 00:24:06,311 Objection. Speculation. 450 00:24:06,411 --> 00:24:07,979 Sustained. 451 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,015 Ms. Schafer, 452 00:24:10,115 --> 00:24:11,316 in your statement to German police, 453 00:24:11,416 --> 00:24:13,852 you never mentioned the blood or the vomit 454 00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:17,589 or any suspicions at all 455 00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:18,990 against Michael Peterson. Why is that? 456 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:21,760 I'm not sure I understand. 457 00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:23,662 Well, if you didn't mention anything at the time 458 00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:27,165 and there are no photographs to corroborate, 459 00:24:27,265 --> 00:24:28,033 I'm just wondering how you could be sure 460 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,101 any of this happened at all. 461 00:24:30,168 --> 00:24:32,604 Well, that's easy. 462 00:24:32,671 --> 00:24:35,507 When I saw the reports about Kathleen, 463 00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:39,311 Liz's death started coming back to me in flashbacks. 464 00:24:39,377 --> 00:24:41,613 Right, and-- I'm sorry. 465 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,982 You've been having flashbacks? 466 00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:44,549 Yes. 467 00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:49,154 They come in short scenes, they're very vivid. 468 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:54,192 Um... 469 00:24:54,292 --> 00:24:55,360 Just to be clear, you-you're referring 470 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:59,831 to these mental images as... flashbacks 471 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:02,167 and not actual memories. 472 00:25:02,234 --> 00:25:03,168 Yes. 473 00:25:03,235 --> 00:25:05,036 Hmm. Isn't it also true 474 00:25:05,136 --> 00:25:06,738 that you remained employed 475 00:25:06,838 --> 00:25:09,708 by Michael Peterson for the period of a year 476 00:25:09,808 --> 00:25:12,244 following the event? 477 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:14,546 Isn't that a questionable thing to do if you thought he was a murderer? 478 00:25:14,646 --> 00:25:16,581 But that's why I did it. 479 00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:18,049 I wanted to keep an eye on them. 480 00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:21,887 Michael was very strict with the boys. 481 00:25:21,987 --> 00:25:24,523 - Alright, well, let's stay on topic. - I am. 482 00:25:24,589 --> 00:25:27,359 I stayed because I didn't want the same for the girls. 483 00:25:27,425 --> 00:25:29,761 - Objection, Your Honor. - I failed. 484 00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:31,997 I should have protected you, Martha-Baby. 485 00:25:32,063 --> 00:25:33,431 I should have protected you from him. 486 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:34,699 Your Honor, move to strike. 487 00:25:36,401 --> 00:25:38,537 Get to the car. 488 00:25:41,206 --> 00:25:43,575 Mr. Peterson, did you beat your baby daughter in Germany? 489 00:25:43,675 --> 00:25:46,244 Mr. Peterson, just one question. Tell us... 490 00:25:48,513 --> 00:25:50,348 - Martha! - Jesus Christ, Martha. 491 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:54,085 Martha. 492 00:25:54,185 --> 00:25:55,420 Hey. Are you okay? 493 00:25:57,789 --> 00:26:00,125 - Come on! What the fuck, Martha! - Martha. 494 00:26:00,225 --> 00:26:01,760 Martha. Martha, knock it off. Todd! 495 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:03,061 I'm trying, okay. 496 00:26:03,128 --> 00:26:04,429 Open the door, dammit. 497 00:26:04,529 --> 00:26:06,765 - What was Agnes talking about? - Open up! 498 00:26:06,865 --> 00:26:07,365 What was she going to say? 499 00:26:07,432 --> 00:26:09,301 How do I know? 500 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:10,435 She's a broken woman who wants her 15 minutes. 501 00:26:10,535 --> 00:26:13,738 She told me the truth. She said that she loved us. 502 00:26:13,805 --> 00:26:16,041 For Christ's sake. Now is not the time. 503 00:26:16,107 --> 00:26:16,775 Martha! 504 00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:18,376 Just answer the question. Please. 505 00:26:18,443 --> 00:26:20,712 I'm telling you, she's full of crap. 506 00:26:20,779 --> 00:26:22,581 Then why do I feel like this? 507 00:26:22,647 --> 00:26:23,448 Michael! 508 00:26:25,884 --> 00:26:27,152 - Martha. - Because they want you to. 509 00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:28,954 Now open the goddamn door. 510 00:26:29,054 --> 00:26:31,222 Martha. 511 00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:32,824 - Michael! - Dad. 512 00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,459 - Only one question. - Now! 513 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,127 Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson, one question. 514 00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:37,562 Mr. Peterson. 515 00:26:39,631 --> 00:26:41,132 Mr. Peterson, one question. 516 00:26:41,232 --> 00:26:42,500 Damn it, Martha! 517 00:26:46,504 --> 00:26:48,239 Come on. Hurry, Todd. 518 00:26:48,306 --> 00:26:50,275 Mr. Peterson! 519 00:26:53,078 --> 00:26:55,513 Now about subjectivity, 520 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:58,583 how can we relate to stories that threaten our own? 521 00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:03,855 Some of us go toward the threat. 522 00:27:03,955 --> 00:27:06,358 We search and question and dig. 523 00:27:10,495 --> 00:27:14,199 And some of us rationalize. 524 00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:19,304 Try to force the stories to fit together. 525 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:33,451 Some of us simply don't engae 526 00:27:33,518 --> 00:27:36,554 and bury the thread deep inside. 527 00:27:41,292 --> 00:27:41,726 And some of us... 528 00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:46,231 seem not to be threatened at all. 529 00:27:51,903 --> 00:27:57,342 So we open Mike's defense with the jury walk-through. 530 00:27:57,409 --> 00:28:02,047 Now this provides the context for all the experts, 531 00:28:02,147 --> 00:28:03,548 all the science, 532 00:28:03,648 --> 00:28:06,551 and says we, the defense, 533 00:28:06,651 --> 00:28:08,420 are going to invite them in. 534 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,220 Why wouldn't we? Alright. 535 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,024 The staircase is an open book, 536 00:28:13,091 --> 00:28:14,492 and so are we 537 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,163 because we have nothing to hide. 538 00:28:18,229 --> 00:28:20,065 - David, I'm not sure it's a good idea. 539 00:28:20,165 --> 00:28:23,401 Hey, look who I found creeping outside. 540 00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:25,704 - Oh my god! - How you doing, Clay? 541 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:26,671 Clay. 542 00:28:27,572 --> 00:28:29,607 - Clay! - Oh, hey. 543 00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,443 Hey, guys. Hey, Mom. 544 00:28:34,345 --> 00:28:36,581 Hey, Clay. What's up, man? 545 00:28:36,681 --> 00:28:38,450 Uh, yeah, nothing much. I just, uh... 546 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,686 How-how long are you in town for? 547 00:28:41,753 --> 00:28:43,254 Uh, I took a couple weeks off. 548 00:28:43,354 --> 00:28:45,356 I thought maybe I could get the Trans-Am 549 00:28:45,423 --> 00:28:45,724 up and running again. 550 00:28:49,527 --> 00:28:50,795 I wanted to help, so I came home. 551 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,534 I hope that's okay? 552 00:29:01,806 --> 00:29:03,074 I'm glad you're here. 553 00:29:05,543 --> 00:29:07,278 - Your Honor, how are you? - Great. Great. 554 00:29:07,378 --> 00:29:09,748 - Are we ready to bring in the jurors? - I believe we are. 555 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,953 Darren, please bring in the jurors. 556 00:29:15,053 --> 00:29:16,654 Alright, let's go, people. 557 00:29:23,461 --> 00:29:24,562 Here you go. 558 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:35,073 What would you say is a storyteller's job? 559 00:29:37,075 --> 00:29:38,777 Hmm. 560 00:29:38,843 --> 00:29:39,144 What do you mean? 561 00:29:39,244 --> 00:29:41,479 This way. 562 00:29:41,579 --> 00:29:43,848 I mean, should he present the truth 563 00:29:44,415 --> 00:29:46,084 as he sees it? 564 00:29:48,153 --> 00:29:50,455 Or is persuasion also part of his job? 565 00:29:51,656 --> 00:29:55,260 Maybe she can do both. 566 00:29:55,326 --> 00:29:56,161 But, you know, in my experience, 567 00:29:56,261 --> 00:29:58,463 people don't like to be persuaded. 568 00:30:03,268 --> 00:30:06,771 So the storyteller must accept that she can control 569 00:30:06,838 --> 00:30:09,007 what the story says 570 00:30:09,107 --> 00:30:11,543 but not how it is read. 571 00:30:28,693 --> 00:30:30,562 You can only show what looks to you 572 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:31,696 like the truth... 573 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:37,135 knowing that it may look to someone else like a lie. 574 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,139 I swung my weapon at you. 575 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,877 And here you can see the cast-off pattern. 576 00:30:46,911 --> 00:30:48,179 We found no cast-off 577 00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:50,014 in the staircase at the Peterson house. 578 00:30:51,249 --> 00:30:53,384 And what do you make 579 00:30:53,484 --> 00:30:56,387 of the blood spatter 580 00:30:56,487 --> 00:31:00,058 that you did find, Dr. Lee? 581 00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:04,028 That it is plentiful and chaotic, 582 00:31:04,095 --> 00:31:07,899 like someone coughing, shaking her head, 583 00:31:07,999 --> 00:31:10,034 moving around. 584 00:31:10,101 --> 00:31:11,936 Not an organized attack. 585 00:31:13,071 --> 00:31:14,339 Hey, Rain Man. 586 00:31:14,405 --> 00:31:16,207 So in your opinion, Dr. Lee... 587 00:31:16,274 --> 00:31:17,575 - Knock it off. - ...would you say 588 00:31:17,675 --> 00:31:21,412 Kathleen's death was an accident? 589 00:31:21,512 --> 00:31:22,747 In my opinion, yes. 590 00:31:22,847 --> 00:31:27,518 The scene is more consistent with a fall. 591 00:31:27,585 --> 00:31:30,455 There was simply way too much blood for beating. 592 00:31:30,555 --> 00:31:31,956 I mean... 593 00:31:34,425 --> 00:31:37,795 You oppose SBI agent Duane Deaver's findings? 594 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:40,531 But didn't you recently complement his skills 595 00:31:40,598 --> 00:31:42,400 as a blood spatter analyst? 596 00:31:42,467 --> 00:31:44,602 I don't recall. 597 00:31:44,702 --> 00:31:45,703 Okay. 598 00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:48,873 Do you recall giving him a copy of your book? 599 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:51,876 Oh yes. 600 00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:53,111 May I approach, Your Honor? 601 00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,079 - You may. - Thank you. 602 00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:03,154 Please read this inscription right here. 603 00:32:06,057 --> 00:32:10,228 "To Agent Deaver, one of the best. 604 00:32:10,295 --> 00:32:13,765 Keep up the good work. Sincerely, Dr. Henry Lee." 605 00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:15,300 Thank you. 606 00:32:20,338 --> 00:32:23,741 You wouldn't write that if you didn't feel that way, would you? 607 00:32:23,808 --> 00:32:23,841 Well... 608 00:32:26,311 --> 00:32:27,312 I give everyone courtesy. 609 00:32:27,412 --> 00:32:29,647 That's Chinese culture. 610 00:32:29,747 --> 00:32:32,650 Uh, what was I supposed to write, 611 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:35,987 "Dear Duane. Don't quit your day job"? 612 00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:47,298 Dr. Lee, 613 00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:50,101 you can't definitively rule out a beating 614 00:32:50,168 --> 00:32:52,303 in the death of Kathleen Peterson, can you? 615 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:54,706 No. 616 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,040 But no one can. 617 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,212 Thank you. That's all. 618 00:33:06,784 --> 00:33:08,519 It's an outrage. 619 00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:09,721 Pure and simple. 620 00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:11,990 So I think we take some fund, 621 00:33:12,056 --> 00:33:13,624 form an exploratory committee, 622 00:33:13,691 --> 00:33:16,327 and see if we can find out 623 00:33:16,394 --> 00:33:18,563 what went wrong. 624 00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:20,465 See, that's exactly the sort of answer 625 00:33:20,531 --> 00:33:22,967 I want to change. 626 00:33:23,034 --> 00:33:26,537 Maybe discussing potentially evaluating 627 00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:28,339 actually doing something. 628 00:33:28,406 --> 00:33:31,342 - Now-- - I want to talk about the lie. 629 00:33:31,409 --> 00:33:33,845 Uh, sir, you need to submit questions. 630 00:33:33,911 --> 00:33:36,848 You said you received a Purple Heart in Vietnam. 631 00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:38,416 - Sir... - Now, now, hold on a minute. 632 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:39,884 That's a sacred thing. 633 00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:42,086 And you know what? You didn't. 634 00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:44,822 - Sir, if you can just take a seat? - Can I be heard? 635 00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:47,692 That's not something you make a mistake about. 636 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,327 - No, sir. - If you would like to submit a question-- 637 00:33:49,394 --> 00:33:52,230 You lied! He lied! He lied! 638 00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:54,232 If you could just calm down, please, sir? 639 00:34:16,421 --> 00:34:19,390 And to top it all off, 640 00:34:19,457 --> 00:34:20,858 we have an imaginary murder weapon. 641 00:34:20,925 --> 00:34:25,096 So, uh, at the risk of tempting fate, 642 00:34:25,196 --> 00:34:27,598 I think Tom would agree that we are about ready to close. 643 00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:30,768 - Yes? - I want to testify. 644 00:34:38,042 --> 00:34:41,579 Look, Mike, uh, we've been over this. 645 00:34:41,646 --> 00:34:43,948 No. They, they don't know me. 646 00:34:44,048 --> 00:34:45,616 Who doesn't know you, Mike? 647 00:34:45,716 --> 00:34:47,585 No, the jury. 648 00:34:47,652 --> 00:34:49,654 Now, it's, it's my life on the line here. 649 00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,056 And I want to tell my story. 650 00:34:52,123 --> 00:34:55,159 You know, tell them how much I loved Kathleen. 651 00:34:55,259 --> 00:34:57,462 You know, I deserve to be heard here, don't I? 652 00:34:57,562 --> 00:34:58,463 - Yeah. Dad's right. - Clayton. 653 00:34:58,563 --> 00:35:00,398 - No, he deserves to talk. - Come on. Come on. 654 00:35:00,465 --> 00:35:01,165 - He's the one on trial. - Listen! 655 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,970 Listen. I hear what you're saying, Mike. 656 00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:07,071 I do. 657 00:35:07,138 --> 00:35:09,640 I-- just listen to me for a second. 658 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:13,678 I know how nerves can flare up at the eleventh hour. 659 00:35:13,778 --> 00:35:16,013 But we cannot let them take the wheel. 660 00:35:18,483 --> 00:35:21,586 Your case is strong. We just have to stay calm. 661 00:35:21,652 --> 00:35:23,020 See it through to the end. 662 00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:37,869 Come on, motherfucker! Come on! 663 00:35:48,279 --> 00:35:49,313 Come on! 664 00:35:51,449 --> 00:35:53,885 Yes! 665 00:36:00,892 --> 00:36:01,159 Fuck me! 666 00:36:14,572 --> 00:36:15,640 I found it. I found it. 667 00:36:15,706 --> 00:36:16,174 I found it. I found it. I found it. 668 00:36:19,577 --> 00:36:20,077 I found it! 669 00:36:21,979 --> 00:36:25,917 I found the fucking blow poke! 670 00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,218 Clayton, don't fuck with us right now. 671 00:36:27,318 --> 00:36:29,086 - Seriously, don't fuck with us. - I am "us." 672 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:30,655 Why would I fuck with us? 673 00:36:30,721 --> 00:36:32,590 I found it right there just like that. 674 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:35,393 You found it right there because you fucking planted it right there. 675 00:36:35,493 --> 00:36:36,327 What? I didn't plant it! 676 00:36:36,394 --> 00:36:37,728 Jesus! What the fuck is wrong with you? 677 00:36:37,828 --> 00:36:39,063 This is a good thing. 678 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:43,434 It's not like there's blood on it. 679 00:36:45,169 --> 00:36:47,104 Of course, there's no fucking blood on it. 680 00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:50,841 You know what? This is so classic you. 681 00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:52,543 You come home out of nowhere and you come and you fuck up our shit. 682 00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:54,378 Would you both just shut up! 683 00:36:55,713 --> 00:36:56,881 Just shut up. 684 00:37:00,785 --> 00:37:02,286 I mean, I don't believe it. 685 00:37:03,721 --> 00:37:06,090 How many times did they search this place? 686 00:37:10,361 --> 00:37:11,462 I should call Dave, right? 687 00:37:16,534 --> 00:37:17,702 Dad? 688 00:37:22,607 --> 00:37:23,207 She must have put it there. 689 00:37:26,644 --> 00:37:28,980 Look, Mike, the thing's intact. 690 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,314 There's no blood. 691 00:37:30,948 --> 00:37:33,251 This could be good, 692 00:37:33,317 --> 00:37:33,985 provided you're telling the truth. 693 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,387 Well, of course, I am. Jesus! 694 00:37:36,454 --> 00:37:39,957 Alright, so we hold all the cards here, right? 695 00:37:40,057 --> 00:37:41,726 This works for us. 696 00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:44,562 The DA says the blow poke's the murder weapon. 697 00:37:44,629 --> 00:37:46,264 We prove him wrong. It's right here. 698 00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:47,999 It's fucking clean. 699 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:49,600 What else are they wrong about? 700 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,502 Right? 701 00:37:52,837 --> 00:37:54,472 Now, if you can answer these next ones 702 00:37:54,572 --> 00:37:56,440 just as truthfully as you can. 703 00:37:56,507 --> 00:37:58,743 Alright? Because if we put you on the stand 704 00:37:58,809 --> 00:38:00,511 to say how you found the blow poke, 705 00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:04,315 Hardin will zero in on any uncertainty, 706 00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:06,350 any, um, evasion. 707 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:08,352 Right. Of course. You got it. 708 00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:09,654 Okay. 709 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:11,422 Alright. 710 00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:14,425 So I understand you have a DUI 711 00:38:14,492 --> 00:38:15,626 on your record, is that right? 712 00:38:17,028 --> 00:38:19,130 Two DUIs? 713 00:38:19,196 --> 00:38:22,500 Good. Uh, always be honest. Don't let him catch you lying. 714 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,168 Alright. 715 00:38:24,268 --> 00:38:28,539 Uh, April 1994, you were a sophomore in college. 716 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,941 Got in a little trouble, is that right? 717 00:38:31,008 --> 00:38:34,111 Yep. Went on spring break. 718 00:38:34,178 --> 00:38:36,180 Right. 719 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,016 And, uh, how much prison time ultimately 720 00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:41,218 did you end up spending for planting 721 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:42,386 those pipe bombs in Duke? 722 00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:47,024 Well, they didn't go off. 723 00:38:47,124 --> 00:38:48,225 To be fair, they weren't designed to. 724 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,193 They were just like a diversion 725 00:38:49,293 --> 00:38:52,063 so I could get to the laminating machine. 726 00:38:52,163 --> 00:38:53,464 Wait, the laminating machine? 727 00:38:53,531 --> 00:38:54,832 - Here we go. - Yeah. 728 00:38:54,899 --> 00:38:57,468 To make fake IDs 729 00:38:57,535 --> 00:39:00,071 to get beers for me and my buddies. 730 00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:03,808 But it was... uh, four years. 731 00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:06,177 All told, four years in Fed for the bombs. 732 00:39:06,243 --> 00:39:08,846 It wouldn't have been that long except they found more here in my room. 733 00:39:08,913 --> 00:39:10,348 - More bombs? 734 00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:14,385 Do, do we really need an audience? 735 00:39:14,485 --> 00:39:17,188 Uh, well, you're going to have one in court. 736 00:39:17,254 --> 00:39:19,890 My son is finishing his second master's in May. 737 00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:20,424 Computer engineering. 738 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,528 That's great. Turning over a new leaf. 739 00:39:26,097 --> 00:39:28,899 But, um, while we are still on the old one, 740 00:39:30,334 --> 00:39:34,038 I need to ask you about July 4th, 2001. 741 00:39:34,105 --> 00:39:37,074 Oh yeah. I, I was drunk, I guess. 742 00:39:37,174 --> 00:39:40,077 And me and Becky had a fight. She called the cops. 743 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:43,280 Because? 744 00:39:46,283 --> 00:39:47,585 You hit her, correct? 745 00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:52,356 We had a fight, and I shoved her once. 746 00:39:52,423 --> 00:39:56,127 Not hit. She called the cops, but she forgave me. 747 00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:57,628 - We're, we're engaged now. - H-h-hang on. 748 00:39:57,728 --> 00:39:59,964 Tom, h-how can they even bring that in? 749 00:40:01,532 --> 00:40:05,436 Uh, look, they get a whiff of domestic violence, 750 00:40:05,536 --> 00:40:08,706 this could be a real issue for us, 751 00:40:08,773 --> 00:40:10,107 given what Agnes has alleged. 752 00:40:10,207 --> 00:40:12,443 Victims often become the abusers. 753 00:40:12,543 --> 00:40:16,814 Right? They'll ask, did your father ever hit you? 754 00:40:16,914 --> 00:40:19,216 - What? - Ever hit Kathleen? 755 00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:21,819 No, my dad never hit anyone. I would have seen. 756 00:40:21,919 --> 00:40:22,787 Okay, but maybe there are things that happened 757 00:40:22,887 --> 00:40:24,722 in this house that you don't know about. 758 00:40:27,391 --> 00:40:30,227 You're aware that the state has pornographic photos 759 00:40:30,294 --> 00:40:33,964 and videos from your dad's computer. 760 00:40:34,064 --> 00:40:37,067 Did you know anything about that prior to the trial? 761 00:40:37,134 --> 00:40:40,638 Uh, about any of what? Can you be more specific? 762 00:40:40,738 --> 00:40:42,339 Uh, his sexuality. 763 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,674 Oh, well... 764 00:40:45,609 --> 00:40:47,912 he's a pretty sexual person. 765 00:40:47,978 --> 00:40:49,914 I was always jealous of him and Kathleen's sex life. 766 00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:51,282 Ew! Oh my God. 767 00:40:51,348 --> 00:40:52,917 Jesus Christ, Clayton. 768 00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:54,652 What, Todd? Nothing but the truth. 769 00:40:54,752 --> 00:40:56,987 Okay. R-right. Uh, specifically, 770 00:40:57,087 --> 00:40:58,956 were you aware of his interest in men? 771 00:41:02,993 --> 00:41:04,428 I-I mean, we never talked about it. 772 00:41:06,764 --> 00:41:09,433 Because a son's role is not to question his father, right? 773 00:41:10,601 --> 00:41:12,436 But I walked in on him jacking off once 774 00:41:12,503 --> 00:41:15,539 to something kind of gay. 775 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,676 - What? - Petersons are fucking crazy. 776 00:41:18,776 --> 00:41:20,211 What do you mean, the Petersons? 777 00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:21,212 I mean, you and Todd and Dad. 778 00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:24,148 Like, why can't you guys just be normal? 779 00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:26,016 Margie, can you keep your little sister in check? 780 00:41:26,116 --> 00:41:27,718 No, she's right. I'm sick of defending you guys, too. 781 00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:31,722 Oh, really? Really. You're going to say that in front of our mother? 782 00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:33,524 Our mother, that took you in off the street. 783 00:41:33,624 --> 00:41:35,626 Well, all you do is hit her up for money. 784 00:41:35,693 --> 00:41:36,393 You guys make everything worse. 785 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,363 You rack up debt. You embarrass us. 786 00:41:39,463 --> 00:41:40,464 - I mean, how are we supposed to-- - Hey! 787 00:41:43,133 --> 00:41:45,069 I run a successful website. 788 00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:47,872 You sound like a psychopath! 789 00:41:53,143 --> 00:41:55,546 I beg your pardon, Michael. 790 00:41:57,648 --> 00:41:59,016 It's the children. 791 00:41:59,083 --> 00:42:01,519 You'd be in some fucked-up German brothel right now, okay? 792 00:42:04,488 --> 00:42:06,557 - Hey! - I said, be quiet! 793 00:42:06,657 --> 00:42:08,559 That's enough! 794 00:42:12,997 --> 00:42:14,231 Clay's not testifying. 795 00:42:14,331 --> 00:42:16,867 - But, Dad-- - Forget it! 796 00:42:16,934 --> 00:42:21,772 If anyone is going to testify about this fucking blow poke, 797 00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:25,442 it's going to be me! And I am going to testify. 798 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:27,244 For the good of my case, for the good of this family. 799 00:42:27,344 --> 00:42:30,281 And before we all fucking kill each other. 800 00:42:41,525 --> 00:42:44,428 Should have just stayed in Baltimore. 801 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:55,239 No use trying, David. My mind's made up. 802 00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:56,106 Uh-huh. 803 00:42:56,206 --> 00:42:58,208 Well, maybe you're right. 804 00:42:58,275 --> 00:43:00,644 Can we talk it through? 805 00:43:01,879 --> 00:43:05,416 They are going to ask you 806 00:43:05,482 --> 00:43:07,551 about the Purple Heart 807 00:43:08,552 --> 00:43:10,821 to establish a pattern of lying. 808 00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:12,256 Well, I... 809 00:43:13,057 --> 00:43:14,158 it's true, I lied about that. 810 00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:17,895 About being injured in Vietnam. 811 00:43:17,962 --> 00:43:22,433 And you told everyone, including Kathleen, 812 00:43:22,499 --> 00:43:25,769 that for your bravery, you earned a Purple Heart? 813 00:43:26,971 --> 00:43:29,106 Why, Mike? 814 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,641 Because... 815 00:43:32,643 --> 00:43:33,744 I was injured, 816 00:43:35,012 --> 00:43:35,946 just not in the war. 817 00:43:37,247 --> 00:43:38,616 It was afterward. 818 00:43:38,682 --> 00:43:41,352 A car accident when I was stationed in Japan. 819 00:43:42,419 --> 00:43:45,022 But I do have a Silver Star. 820 00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:47,157 And a Bronze Star, with valor, 821 00:43:47,257 --> 00:43:50,327 because... once... 822 00:43:52,262 --> 00:43:55,199 a marine in my command was blown up by a grenade. 823 00:44:01,105 --> 00:44:02,172 Here. 824 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:03,641 John Cuddy. 825 00:44:09,947 --> 00:44:12,149 We were close. 826 00:44:12,216 --> 00:44:13,651 I dragged his mutilated body back to the foxhole. 827 00:44:19,189 --> 00:44:21,325 He died in my arms. 828 00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:23,727 So did Kathleen. 829 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:32,469 You learn CPR in the military, don't you? 830 00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:35,205 Yes. 831 00:44:35,305 --> 00:44:37,341 Well, when you first called 911... 832 00:44:38,642 --> 00:44:42,246 you said Kathleen was still breathing. 833 00:44:43,914 --> 00:44:46,350 Then you called back 834 00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:47,985 a couple minutes later, said she wasn't. 835 00:44:48,052 --> 00:44:49,553 In between, did you perform CPR? 836 00:44:50,988 --> 00:44:51,989 No. 837 00:44:52,823 --> 00:44:55,159 - No. I was in shock. - Shock? 838 00:44:57,227 --> 00:44:59,196 Vietnam vet. 839 00:44:59,263 --> 00:45:00,731 Bunch of different colored stars 840 00:45:00,831 --> 00:45:03,067 and obviously saw combat. 841 00:45:03,167 --> 00:45:04,768 You went into shock? 842 00:45:08,005 --> 00:45:10,874 It wasn't like war. It wasn't like anything. 843 00:45:11,742 --> 00:45:13,343 It was just, 844 00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:14,445 just her... 845 00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:17,281 in pain... 846 00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:20,884 leaving me... 847 00:45:23,454 --> 00:45:24,888 and me begging her not to go 848 00:45:24,955 --> 00:45:27,424 and... she wouldn't listen. 849 00:45:30,194 --> 00:45:30,627 It was the worst moment of my life. 850 00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:35,399 I believe you, Mike. 851 00:45:36,934 --> 00:45:39,603 But how does a jury know 852 00:45:39,703 --> 00:45:42,239 it's not just another Purple Heart? 853 00:45:45,375 --> 00:45:46,877 Not just another lie. 854 00:45:48,879 --> 00:45:50,547 I want to leave it up to you, I do. 855 00:45:50,614 --> 00:45:52,049 I mean, it's your life. 856 00:45:52,116 --> 00:45:54,451 But I can get the blow poke in 857 00:45:54,551 --> 00:45:55,552 without putting you or Clay on the stand, 858 00:45:55,619 --> 00:45:58,722 and your case won't suffer for it. 859 00:45:58,789 --> 00:45:59,757 But if I don't tell them... 860 00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:03,894 how will they know? 861 00:46:13,070 --> 00:46:14,438 Let me know what you decide. 862 00:46:24,581 --> 00:46:24,848 Dad. 863 00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:28,952 It's fine, Clay. 864 00:46:37,995 --> 00:46:38,862 A coup for the defense today 865 00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:40,664 at the tail end of the Peterson trial 866 00:46:40,764 --> 00:46:44,301 as the alleged murder weapon has surfaced. 867 00:46:44,368 --> 00:46:45,836 Rudolf has produced 868 00:46:45,936 --> 00:46:48,138 the so-called missing blow poke, 869 00:46:48,205 --> 00:46:50,307 arguing that Durham PD did not search 870 00:46:50,374 --> 00:46:51,508 thoroughly enough for it 871 00:46:51,608 --> 00:46:53,510 and failed to ever ask the defense 872 00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:54,845 whether it had been found. 873 00:46:54,945 --> 00:46:56,814 Alright. Does this appear to be the blow poke 874 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,716 that Mr. Hardin mentioned in his opening statement 875 00:47:01,451 --> 00:47:04,054 as being mysteriously missing? 876 00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:06,690 Yes, it does. 877 00:47:08,725 --> 00:47:10,994 Thank you. No further questions, Your Honor. 878 00:47:13,163 --> 00:47:14,565 You may be dismissed. 879 00:47:15,966 --> 00:47:17,067 Alright. 880 00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:19,970 Does that witness conclude your case, Mr. Rudolf? 881 00:47:37,321 --> 00:47:37,821 Yes, it does, Your Honor. 882 00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:41,191 The defense rests. 883 00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:52,236 Though it's not yet clear whether this ninth-inning discovery 884 00:47:52,336 --> 00:47:54,905 has given the jury more questions or answers, 885 00:47:55,005 --> 00:47:56,840 it certainly has changed the game. 886 00:47:56,907 --> 00:47:57,908 Sneaky shits. 887 00:47:58,008 --> 00:47:59,376 Ultimately, um, 888 00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:00,711 you know what, it doesn't change the autopsy. 889 00:48:00,777 --> 00:48:03,580 My mother was beaten to death, whether it be with a blow poke 890 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,582 or something else, and Michael Peterson did it. 891 00:48:05,682 --> 00:48:07,184 Amen, sweetheart. 892 00:48:07,251 --> 00:48:08,852 Caitlin Peterson, where was the weapon found? 893 00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:11,622 Okay. How does this bit sound? 894 00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:15,392 Do you really think Kathleen knew 895 00:48:15,459 --> 00:48:17,394 Michael was bisexual? 896 00:48:19,463 --> 00:48:21,698 Does that make common sense to you? 897 00:48:21,765 --> 00:48:25,302 Do you think it was okay with her 898 00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:27,204 that he was writing those emails to Brad? 899 00:48:28,372 --> 00:48:29,239 I'm not even going to mention 900 00:48:29,306 --> 00:48:32,042 the rest of what we found on his computer 901 00:48:32,109 --> 00:48:34,044 because it is obscene. 902 00:48:34,111 --> 00:48:35,812 I-I'm sorry. Obscene? 903 00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:37,814 Obscene. 904 00:48:38,949 --> 00:48:40,550 Is that the best we got for this guy? 905 00:48:40,617 --> 00:48:44,454 No, he beat his wife like a dog! 906 00:48:44,554 --> 00:48:46,089 I want to nail his ass to the wall. 907 00:48:59,603 --> 00:49:00,470 Not to mention 908 00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:05,108 the rest of what we found 909 00:49:05,175 --> 00:49:07,244 on Mr. Peterson's computer, 910 00:49:08,245 --> 00:49:09,913 because it is filth. 911 00:49:14,751 --> 00:49:17,154 Pure-T... filth. 912 00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,769 This is hardcore porn. 913 00:49:37,541 --> 00:49:40,110 This ain't people involved in relationships. 914 00:49:40,177 --> 00:49:40,944 This is just any-which-way. 915 00:49:43,013 --> 00:49:47,617 And it is not how so-called soul mates... 916 00:49:47,684 --> 00:49:49,853 conduct themselves. 917 00:49:49,953 --> 00:49:52,189 Your job is not to decide 918 00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:54,358 whether Michael is innocent. 919 00:49:54,458 --> 00:49:55,625 Your job is to decide 920 00:49:55,692 --> 00:49:58,395 whether the prosecution 921 00:49:58,495 --> 00:50:02,332 has sufficiently proven guilt. 922 00:50:02,966 --> 00:50:04,001 Which they have not. 923 00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:08,638 Their case is riddled with holes, 924 00:50:08,705 --> 00:50:12,342 unanswered questions, 925 00:50:12,409 --> 00:50:15,679 doubt after reasonable doubt. 926 00:50:24,388 --> 00:50:25,389 The missing murder weapon 927 00:50:25,489 --> 00:50:27,991 isn't missing. 928 00:50:29,326 --> 00:50:31,028 And it was never used... 929 00:50:32,829 --> 00:50:34,064 in a murder. 930 00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:38,935 There is no credible motive. 931 00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:42,372 And you don't just decide to kill your wife for no reason. 932 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,575 I think about that old expression, 933 00:50:45,675 --> 00:50:47,677 what if these walls could talk? 934 00:50:47,744 --> 00:50:49,746 Ladies and gentlemen, 935 00:50:49,846 --> 00:50:50,580 the people contend to you 936 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,516 that these walls are talking. 937 00:50:52,582 --> 00:50:55,385 Kathleen Peterson 938 00:50:56,586 --> 00:50:58,455 is talking to us through the blood 939 00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:01,558 on these walls. 940 00:51:01,625 --> 00:51:04,261 She is screaming out 941 00:51:04,361 --> 00:51:07,297 for truth and for justice. 942 00:51:07,397 --> 00:51:09,266 The defense has told us 943 00:51:09,366 --> 00:51:11,935 Kathleen Peterson died in an accident. 944 00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:14,971 But Kathleen 945 00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:17,140 is telling us 946 00:51:18,875 --> 00:51:20,210 she died of murder. 947 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,383 Kathleen was my life. 948 00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:28,952 I've whispered her name in my heart a thousand times. 949 00:51:32,722 --> 00:51:34,057 I would never have done anything to hurt her. 950 00:51:37,894 --> 00:51:40,564 And we will prove it in cour. 951 00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:42,499 December 21st, 2001, 952 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:44,968 Michael Peterson turned himself in to the police. 953 00:51:45,068 --> 00:51:46,670 Only five years earlier, 954 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:48,472 the future looked bright for Michael and Kathleen, 955 00:51:48,572 --> 00:51:51,608 getting married at their Forest Hills mansion with family. 956 00:51:51,675 --> 00:51:54,811 To Kathleen, our sister. 957 00:51:55,345 --> 00:51:57,447 And to Michael, 958 00:51:58,582 --> 00:52:00,617 our new brother. 959 00:52:00,684 --> 00:52:02,819 Kathleen's sisters now find themselves 960 00:52:02,919 --> 00:52:04,488 standing with the prosecutio, 961 00:52:04,588 --> 00:52:05,856 hoping for the jury to delivr 962 00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:07,958 some justice for their siste. 963 00:52:08,024 --> 00:52:10,627 Well, it's going to be a beautiful sunny day today. 964 00:52:10,694 --> 00:52:12,629 And we can expect much more of the same 965 00:52:12,696 --> 00:52:13,964 over the next couple of days. 966 00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:14,331 You might want to do something... 967 00:52:14,431 --> 00:52:16,199 Todd? 968 00:52:18,535 --> 00:52:19,503 Margaret? 969 00:52:22,005 --> 00:52:23,273 Kids? 970 00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,376 Ms. Forewoman, would you please pass 971 00:52:59,476 --> 00:53:00,076 the bailiff the verdict? 972 00:53:04,214 --> 00:53:04,247 Thank you. 973 00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:33,510 Now, if you think you're going to have difficulty 974 00:53:33,577 --> 00:53:34,911 accepting the jury's verdict, 975 00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:37,948 we're going to give you an opportunity 976 00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:39,282 to leave right now. 977 00:53:44,921 --> 00:53:46,189 Alright, Ms. Clerk. 978 00:53:49,025 --> 00:53:50,627 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 979 00:53:50,727 --> 00:53:52,729 you have returned the following verdict 980 00:53:52,796 --> 00:53:54,564 in the case of State of North Carolina 981 00:53:54,631 --> 00:53:56,366 versus Michael Iver Peterson. 982 00:53:58,101 --> 00:54:02,405 And... that's all she wrote. 983 00:54:05,642 --> 00:54:06,710 Want to grab another? 984 00:54:07,577 --> 00:54:09,479 We got that nice pinot from Bill. 985 00:54:09,579 --> 00:54:12,048 Mm. I should really call it a day. 986 00:54:13,316 --> 00:54:15,952 I still have to check that email. 987 00:54:16,052 --> 00:54:18,455 Well, I don't know who you are, 988 00:54:18,555 --> 00:54:21,458 but my wife never says no to a second bottle. 989 00:54:21,558 --> 00:54:23,994 Oh, she sounds fun. 990 00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:25,328 - She is. 991 00:56:29,686 --> 00:56:31,521 Oh hey. 992 00:56:35,692 --> 00:56:36,726 You're still up. 993 00:56:42,866 --> 00:56:44,634 What's up? 994 00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:48,371 Kathleen? 995 00:56:50,206 --> 00:56:52,208 I always knew, I think, 996 00:56:53,042 --> 00:56:54,377 somewhere underneath. 997 00:56:55,912 --> 00:56:56,946 I mean, who knows, maybe I even liked it. 998 00:56:57,046 --> 00:56:59,215 What are you talking about? 999 00:57:04,821 --> 00:57:06,089 Why didn't you tell me? 1000 00:57:08,224 --> 00:57:10,493 You could have told me. It could have been our secret. 1001 00:57:10,593 --> 00:57:11,327 I think... 1002 00:57:12,595 --> 00:57:14,664 Yeah, I-I think I could have lived with that. 1003 00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,933 Kathleen, come on. What are you talking about? 1004 00:57:21,404 --> 00:57:22,605 I'm talking... 1005 00:57:26,142 --> 00:57:28,745 I'm talking about the porn... 1006 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:31,915 and the escorts and the men, 1007 00:57:31,981 --> 00:57:34,818 the men, the men! 1008 00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:42,358 Whatever you think you saw... 1009 00:57:42,959 --> 00:57:44,861 you're drunk. 1010 00:57:44,961 --> 00:57:46,963 I'm a writer. 1011 00:57:47,797 --> 00:57:49,699 Alright? 1012 00:57:51,034 --> 00:57:52,469 It's called research. 1013 00:57:52,535 --> 00:57:54,003 Research? 1014 00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:55,338 Oh my God. 1015 00:57:56,539 --> 00:57:58,608 Stop lying, Michael. 1016 00:57:59,709 --> 00:58:03,213 Oh, God, the lying! 1017 00:58:03,313 --> 00:58:06,683 The arrogance, the selfishness. 1018 00:58:06,783 --> 00:58:07,784 I mean, Jesus! 1019 00:58:07,851 --> 00:58:11,187 You have managed me and humiliated me, 1020 00:58:11,287 --> 00:58:12,989 and I swore to myself that I would never be 1021 00:58:13,056 --> 00:58:15,291 this woman again, this fucking victim. 1022 00:58:15,358 --> 00:58:16,192 Kathleen, come on. Come on. 1023 00:58:16,292 --> 00:58:18,461 This is ridiculous. Let's just... 1024 00:58:18,528 --> 00:58:20,363 Oh no, you don't, pal. Not this time. 1025 00:58:20,463 --> 00:58:23,066 No, no, you don't get to Michael Peterson your way out of this. 1026 00:58:23,166 --> 00:58:24,868 - Listen to me. - No. 1027 00:58:24,968 --> 00:58:27,470 No, you listen to me! 1028 00:58:41,918 --> 00:58:44,754 I am, I am your wife. 1029 00:58:52,829 --> 00:58:54,764 And I'm, I'm leaving you. 1030 00:58:55,331 --> 00:58:57,400 No, you're not. 1031 00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:00,069 You're, you're tired and you're drunk-- 1032 00:59:00,169 --> 00:59:01,070 I am not drunk! Stop saying that. 1033 00:59:01,170 --> 00:59:04,607 I am not drunk. I am leaving! 1034 00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:06,943 I am done playing house with you! 1035 00:59:07,043 --> 00:59:08,611 Lower your voice. Lower your voice, Kathleen. 1036 00:59:08,711 --> 00:59:09,546 You are nothing but a fucking fraud. 1037 00:59:09,612 --> 00:59:13,249 You are nothing but a thief and a con man. 1038 00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:15,385 And you have nothing. 1039 00:59:15,451 --> 00:59:18,021 You are nothing. Do you hear me, Michael? 1040 00:59:18,087 --> 00:59:20,023 I have given my whole life 1041 00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:21,190 to a pathetic closet case nothing! 1042 00:59:21,257 --> 00:59:24,260 - I said shut up! 1043 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:24,427 Oh! 1044 00:59:31,401 --> 00:59:32,602 Stop! 1045 00:59:42,045 --> 00:59:42,445 Oh my God. 1046 00:59:45,048 --> 00:59:45,982 Oh God. 1047 00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:47,917 Kathleen. Fuck! 1048 00:59:49,652 --> 00:59:50,587 Just... Oh my God. 1049 00:59:54,490 --> 00:59:56,159 Oh fuck. Fuck! 1050 00:59:56,259 --> 00:59:56,559 Fuck. 1051 01:00:01,564 --> 01:00:03,132 Oh God. 1052 01:00:05,335 --> 01:00:08,571 Alright. Okay? Here you go. 1053 01:00:08,638 --> 01:00:11,908 No. No, honey. Honey, it's okay. 1054 01:00:11,975 --> 01:00:13,977 Here you go. You're okay. 1055 01:00:14,077 --> 01:00:15,979 You see? You're alright. 1056 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:17,113 No, no, no. 1057 01:00:22,085 --> 01:00:23,186 You're alright. It's okay. 1058 01:00:24,153 --> 01:00:25,488 It's okay. 1059 01:00:25,588 --> 01:00:26,489 - Uh, you tripped. 1060 01:00:52,482 --> 01:00:54,350 Oh God. Baby. 1061 01:00:58,721 --> 01:00:59,989 Honey, you're alright. 1062 01:01:00,790 --> 01:01:02,025 Okay. Okay. 1063 01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:08,631 - Kathleen? 1064 01:01:09,999 --> 01:01:12,001 Kathleen. 1065 01:01:40,830 --> 01:01:42,899 Ms. Foreperson, on behalf of the jury, 1066 01:01:42,999 --> 01:01:44,367 do you affirm this verdict? 1067 01:01:46,002 --> 01:01:47,503 Yes. 1068 01:01:50,173 --> 01:01:52,575 Mr. Peterson, would you please stand where you are? 1069 01:01:57,413 --> 01:01:58,581 Is there anything that you would like to say 1070 01:01:58,681 --> 01:02:00,616 before the court imposes sentencing? 1071 01:02:02,952 --> 01:02:03,853 I would only... 1072 01:02:07,690 --> 01:02:08,925 It's okay. 1073 01:02:09,025 --> 01:02:10,860 - It's okay. 1074 01:02:12,228 --> 01:02:14,464 It's okay. 1075 01:02:15,198 --> 01:02:16,466 It's okay. 1076 01:02:19,702 --> 01:02:21,938 Alright, Ms. Clerk, the defendant is imprisoned 1077 01:02:22,038 --> 01:02:24,907 to the state of North Carolina Department of Corrections 1078 01:02:24,974 --> 01:02:27,110 for the remainder of his natural life 1079 01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:28,611 without the benefit of parole. 1080 01:02:30,713 --> 01:02:32,615 Bailiff, would you please take the prisoner into custody? 1081 01:03:02,845 --> 01:03:03,913 Hold here. 1082 01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:05,481 You'll be taken outside in a minute. 1083 01:03:36,212 --> 01:03:36,779 Not now, Jean. Please. 1084 01:03:55,631 --> 01:03:58,401 - Are you alright? - No, I'm not. 1085 01:04:01,971 --> 01:04:03,739 I'm scared. 1086 01:04:08,211 --> 01:04:09,645 Okay, Sophie. 1087 01:04:12,648 --> 01:04:13,850 Let's try this again. 1088 01:04:16,552 --> 01:04:18,421 What is your relationship with Michael Peterson? 1089 01:04:26,829 --> 01:04:28,831 - It's okay. 1090 01:04:28,898 --> 01:04:30,499 Mr. Peterson, would you please stand where you are? 1091 01:04:30,566 --> 01:04:32,101 Alright, Ms. Clerk. 1092 01:04:32,201 --> 01:04:34,403 The defendant is imprisoned to the state of North Carolina 1093 01:04:34,503 --> 01:04:37,340 Department of Corrections 1094 01:04:37,406 --> 01:04:39,408 for the remainder of his natural life 1095 01:04:39,508 --> 01:04:40,776 without the benefit of parol. 1096 01:04:42,445 --> 01:04:43,880 Bailiff, would you please take 1097 01:04:43,946 --> 01:04:45,414 the prisoner into custody. 1098 01:04:45,514 --> 01:04:46,849 Dear Michael... 1099 01:04:46,916 --> 01:04:49,552 you don't know me, but I know you. 1100 01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:56,392 I've followed your story with bated breath, 1101 01:04:56,459 --> 01:04:58,761 hoping for the exoneration you so deserve. 1102 01:05:02,064 --> 01:05:04,367 I know you're innocent and that you and your family 1103 01:05:04,433 --> 01:05:07,136 have been failed by a broken justice system. 1104 01:05:12,208 --> 01:05:14,243 I know because I've seen it, 1105 01:05:14,310 --> 01:05:15,978 moment by moment, frame by frame. 1106 01:05:32,228 --> 01:05:35,631 And rest assured, while you wait for freedom, 1107 01:05:35,731 --> 01:05:37,300 your story will be told. 1108 01:05:38,501 --> 01:05:39,969 I will tell it for you. 1109 01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:42,305 Sincerely yours, 1110 01:05:42,405 --> 01:05:43,673 Sophie. 1111 01:05:46,075 --> 01:05:46,842 Hm? 1112 01:05:52,581 --> 01:05:54,917 Kathleen and I were watching a movie, 1113 01:05:54,984 --> 01:05:57,653 um, "America's Sweethearts." 1114 01:05:57,753 --> 01:06:00,456 I-I think it was probably around 11 o'clock. 1115 01:06:00,856 --> 01:06:02,291 Um... 76166

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