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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:03:34,131 --> 00:03:37,426 The future that fascinated me 2 00:03:37,592 --> 00:03:40,345 has become a ruin. 3 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:45,225 People believed in the beauty of technological progress. 4 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:51,356 It carried the expectations of the era, the nation and so on. 5 00:03:51,481 --> 00:03:56,278 It represented primitive human nature. 6 00:03:56,403 --> 00:04:00,949 The tower was right in the center of the huge Expo site, 7 00:04:01,116 --> 00:04:04,286 Like a god of the festival. 8 00:04:04,411 --> 00:04:08,582 It was made in 1970 when Expo "70-Osaka was held. 9 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:48,121 . There you saw things you had never seen before, 10 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:48,622 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 11 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:51,291 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator going on and on. 12 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:51,625 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 13 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:55,462 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator It was like a futuristic city with many pavilions. 14 00:04:55,462 --> 00:04:55,504 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 15 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:59,132 That image struck me vividly. 16 00:05:07,724 --> 00:05:10,519 People in Japan were blown away. 17 00:05:10,769 --> 00:05:10,852 Kids were still playing with tops. 18 00:05:10,852 --> 00:05:13,104 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director Kids were still playing with tops. 19 00:05:13,104 --> 00:05:13,230 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director 20 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:16,024 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director We poor kids suddenly saw 21 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:16,107 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director 22 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:20,654 spaceships, robots, computers, laser beams, moving sidewalks, 23 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:24,866 and dome screen movies, with their own eyes. 24 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:29,538 Those things belonged to the TV world. It was Sci-Fi. 25 00:05:29,663 --> 00:05:30,121 In the 21st century, technology would progress, 26 00:05:30,121 --> 00:05:34,376 Art Critic In the 21st century, technology would progress, 27 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:34,543 Art Critic 28 00:05:34,543 --> 00:05:37,504 Art Critic and all problems of the 20th century, like poverty and wars, 29 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:39,130 and all problems of the 20th century, like poverty and wars, 30 00:05:39,256 --> 00:05:42,551 would be perfectly solved by technology. 31 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:48,181 People said that the entrance to this new century 32 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:50,350 would be Expo “To. 33 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:59,401 I was a kid, purely and innocently astonished, but 34 00:05:59,526 --> 00:06:03,154 I'm sure that even adults were quite amazed. 35 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,409 An adult man asked a foreigner who just happened to walk by 36 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:09,077 for an autograph. 37 00:06:09,202 --> 00:06:12,581 Foreign countries existed only on TV. 38 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:16,751 That's why 64 million Japanese visited the event. 39 00:06:21,965 --> 00:06:25,343 Japan held the Expo to jump ahead of the world. 40 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:28,680 The time of technology and space was coming. 41 00:06:28,805 --> 00:06:32,517 In other words, old was bad and new was good. 42 00:06:32,642 --> 00:06:38,940 To represent the concept, they needed not “established art', 43 00:06:39,065 --> 00:06:40,901 but "never-seen art”. 44 00:06:41,192 --> 00:06:45,572 You had to show art that didn't exist in Europe. 45 00:06:45,697 --> 00:06:48,617 The only choice was avant-garde. 46 00:06:48,783 --> 00:06:53,747 For example, Tadanori Yokoo produced the Textiles Pavilion 47 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:58,752 and Katsuhiro Yamaguchi produced the Mitsui Group Pavilion. 48 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:05,550 All the pavilions were so extraordinary that they didn't look like buildings. 49 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:10,055 It was still the Cold War era. 50 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:14,309 The USSR made the tallest pavilion, at 109 meters. 51 00:07:14,476 --> 00:07:16,770 On the contrary, the USA made 52 00:07:16,895 --> 00:07:21,149 a very flat pavilion with an air-inflated structure. 53 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:24,569 The theme of both was space development. 54 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:30,825 The USA focused on the Apollo Program, exhibiting a moon rock. 55 00:07:30,951 --> 00:07:33,995 That was an icon of the Expo. 56 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,960 The USSR showed a bunch of spaceships hung in a huge room. 57 00:07:40,085 --> 00:07:43,630 The fight for dominance between the two countries 58 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:47,008 took the form of Expo exhibitions. 59 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:47,384 Expo was a place to show how modern civilization had 60 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:51,471 Anthropologist Expo was a place to show how modern civilization had 61 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:51,513 Anthropologist 62 00:07:51,596 --> 00:07:55,684 invented wonderful things one after another. 63 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:59,688 It was like a trade show for industrial technology, 64 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:03,650 but the visitors were the general public. 65 00:08:05,068 --> 00:08:10,031 Previous Expos made villages and put indigenous people there. 66 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:14,494 Visitors watched them Like a safari tour. 67 00:08:14,619 --> 00:08:19,332 People also saw educated indigenous people, 68 00:08:19,457 --> 00:08:22,127 wearing uniforms and working. 69 00:08:22,252 --> 00:08:26,548 They were showcased next to naked people with spears. 70 00:08:26,715 --> 00:08:29,300 As a result of modern education, 71 00:08:29,426 --> 00:08:34,889 savage people became semi-civilized. Before and after. 72 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:39,060 Industrialization and technical progress were 73 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:44,816 the best way for human beings to be happy. 74 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:47,527 To make the general public understand this 75 00:08:47,902 --> 00:08:51,531 was the big hidden purpose of Expo. 76 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:56,703 So "Progress and evolution are virtue and justice 77 00:08:56,828 --> 00:08:57,912 was the concept. 78 00:08:58,038 --> 00:09:02,709 New development will start in the 21st century. 79 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:09,340 We must build our high-standard culture and ideal lifestyle. 80 00:09:09,466 --> 00:09:13,344 In the urban areas, Skyscrapers will rise up, 81 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:17,515 and completely overwhelm the old century's cityscape. 82 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,562 . The theme of Expo '70 was Progress and Harmony for Mankind. 83 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:28,568 It suggested that we think about the subject together. 84 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:28,943 Art Historian 85 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:32,197 Art Historian Taro Okamoto rebelled against it. 86 00:09:32,197 --> 00:09:32,280 Art Historian 87 00:09:34,532 --> 00:09:40,121 Progress functions backwards. We are losing our real lives, 88 00:09:40,246 --> 00:09:44,459 the integrity of our lives, our bodies and physicality. 89 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:47,921 I myself have deep doubts about progress. 90 00:09:48,046 --> 00:09:52,217 You say Apollo ls progress. Progress to what? 91 00:09:53,134 --> 00:09:59,140 - There are many bad effects, Like pollution, caused by progress, 92 00:09:59,307 --> 00:10:01,476 but Taro thought the theme ignored them. 93 00:10:01,643 --> 00:10:07,440 They said “harmony” but ignored civil wars and ethnic conflicts. 94 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:12,821 Harmony in Japan had also been made with compromises. 95 00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:16,658 Everyone compromised for superficial harmony. 96 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:21,329 Taro didn't reject the theme, but used it ironically. 97 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:25,792 Mankind hadn't achieved progress or harmony - 98 00:10:25,917 --> 00:10:28,920 Taro used that as his theme. 99 00:10:29,462 --> 00:10:31,965 There was no harmony at that time. 100 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:38,138 Values were overturned in the midst of turbulent times. 101 00:10:38,263 --> 00:10:42,350 Many things in society were upset. 102 00:10:42,892 --> 00:10:50,024 Scholar of Japanese Fine Arts 103 00:11:16,259 --> 00:11:18,678 Optimistic futurism. 104 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:20,889 The cult of technology. 105 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:24,058 The only thing that completely opposed 106 00:11:24,601 --> 00:11:29,647 those ideas in the history of Expo was the Tower of the Sun. 107 00:11:29,772 --> 00:11:30,982 The only one. 108 00:11:57,550 --> 00:11:59,886 The incongruity of the Tower of the Sun 109 00:12:00,428 --> 00:12:04,766 is overwhelming. It's still standing out there, 110 00:12:04,933 --> 00:12:05,183 Social Designer 111 00:12:05,183 --> 00:12:11,189 Social Designer and families have picnics around that strange tower. 112 00:12:11,189 --> 00:12:11,272 Social Designer 113 00:12:11,314 --> 00:12:15,401 I first thought "What the heck is it?” 114 00:12:15,902 --> 00:12:17,111 Indescribable. 115 00:12:17,278 --> 00:12:20,698 I couldn't tell if it was sculpture, architecture or art. 116 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:27,288 A strange mixture, like future and ancient times colliding. 117 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:29,624 Absolutely useless. 118 00:12:29,791 --> 00:12:30,208 It's not symmetrical, it's kind of twisted. 119 00:12:30,208 --> 00:12:34,587 Explorer 120 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:34,796 Explorer 121 00:12:34,796 --> 00:12:37,799 Explorer Somehow it looks joyful. 122 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:37,924 Explorer 123 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:38,883 The arms are like this, welcoming something. 124 00:12:38,883 --> 00:12:41,803 Dancer The arms are like this, welcoming something. 125 00:12:41,803 --> 00:12:42,345 Dancer 126 00:12:42,345 --> 00:12:43,763 Dancer The arms go... 127 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:46,641 Dancer 128 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:46,975 Dancer , Upward. That's why it gives a good aura. 129 00:12:46,975 --> 00:12:50,311 , Upward. That's why it gives a good aura. 130 00:12:50,478 --> 00:12:54,274 If they were I inward, the aura would be negative. 131 00:12:55,525 --> 00:12:57,277 Like this, you know. 132 00:12:58,194 --> 00:12:59,153 It's alright! 133 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:01,656 It stands majestically. 134 00:13:01,823 --> 00:13:03,616 It's always looking at me. 135 00:13:03,741 --> 00:13:06,160 Some kids are scared to go in. 136 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:12,125 A mom? A dad? Maybe I'm thinking too much. 137 00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:16,587 The curved lips are a bit funny. 138 00:13:16,713 --> 00:13:19,173 It looks like it's sulking. 139 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:21,926 Maybe because it's alone now. 140 00:13:22,427 --> 00:13:25,847 The Tower of the Sun was the pavilion 141 00:13:26,014 --> 00:13:29,350 which hosted the main exhibition of Expo '70. 142 00:13:29,517 --> 00:13:30,101 Taro was appointed to create 143 00:13:30,101 --> 00:13:33,354 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator Taro was appointed to create 144 00:13:33,354 --> 00:13:33,521 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 145 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:37,650 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator the facility for the theme exhibition. 146 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:37,692 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 147 00:13:37,775 --> 00:13:38,276 I read a book about how Taro was appointed for the role. 148 00:13:38,276 --> 00:13:43,031 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun I read a book about how Taro was appointed for the role. 149 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:43,114 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 150 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:47,535 The Ministries didn't avoid choosing him, 151 00:13:47,702 --> 00:13:50,496 daring to take a risk. 152 00:13:50,913 --> 00:13:57,378 Maybe, society itself was young and vital in a way. 153 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,550 Ordinary ways wouldn't catch the West. 154 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:06,387 They chose Taro, not based on solid reasoning, 155 00:14:06,554 --> 00:14:10,058 but more like a gamble, I guess. 156 00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:11,017 What Taro actually did was 157 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:14,729 Professor of French Philosophy What Taro actually did was 158 00:14:14,729 --> 00:14:14,854 Professor of French Philosophy 159 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:19,901 Professor of French Philosophy far beyond the bureaucrats' intentions. 160 00:14:19,901 --> 00:14:20,401 Far beyond the bureaucrats' intentions. 161 00:14:21,069 --> 00:14:25,073 As an avant-garde artist, he had stood against 162 00:14:25,406 --> 00:14:30,870 , power and authority. so I'm sure he felt conflicted to work 163 00:14:30,995 --> 00:14:32,538 for the state. 164 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:36,876 Everyone around him tried to dissuade him. 165 00:14:37,251 --> 00:14:40,838 I assume he thought it over and over, 166 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,549 and decided to go one step further. 167 00:14:43,758 --> 00:14:47,845 He thought he could make a myth strong enough 168 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:51,682 to control scientific/technological civilization. 169 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:54,018 That was his aim, I think. 170 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:59,232 To surpass the progress of science and technology, 171 00:14:59,357 --> 00:15:01,567 imagination or vision 172 00:15:01,692 --> 00:15:06,364 can be created only by artists. 173 00:15:06,531 --> 00:15:11,411 This incredible idea came to Taro's mind. 174 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:26,467 The Tower of the Sun is 70 meters high, 175 00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:30,596 so it's a huge structure, not just an art piece. 176 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:30,972 The architect in charge was... 177 00:15:30,972 --> 00:15:35,226 Sub-Producer for Expo 70 Theme Exhibition The architect in charge was... 178 00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:35,351 Sub-Producer for Expo 70 Theme Exhibition 179 00:15:35,351 --> 00:15:37,145 Sub-Producer for Expo 70 Theme Exhibition a fairly meticulous person. 180 00:15:37,145 --> 00:15:38,479 A fairly meticulous person. 181 00:15:38,604 --> 00:15:39,105 I received, at the office, 182 00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:41,315 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun I received, at the office, 183 00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:41,441 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 184 00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:42,275 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun a 1/100th scale model of the tower. 185 00:15:42,275 --> 00:15:44,485 A 1/100th scale model of the tower. 186 00:15:44,652 --> 00:15:47,613 How should I make blueprints? 187 00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:48,781 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 188 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,324 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun I made a replica, 189 00:15:50,324 --> 00:15:50,450 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 190 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:55,121 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun and had a model maker slice It IN one—-centimeter Increments. 191 00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:55,163 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 192 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:59,333 I made a cast of the shape, 193 00:15:59,459 --> 00:16:02,920 to outline the tower. 194 00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:08,259 This curve was different from one familiar to the Japanese. 195 00:16:08,384 --> 00:16:12,346 For example, the curve of temple roofs 196 00:16:12,472 --> 00:16:17,685 is dynamically natural, but the tower wasn't typical. 197 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:17,852 It wasn't structurally beautiful at all in the drawing. 198 00:16:17,852 --> 00:16:21,772 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun It wasn't structurally beautiful at all in the drawing. 199 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:21,856 Design Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 200 00:16:21,898 --> 00:16:22,607 I thought the form wasn't beautiful, 201 00:16:22,607 --> 00:16:25,860 Shotcrete Engineer for the Tower of the Sun I thought the form wasn't beautiful, 202 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:25,985 Shotcrete Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 203 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,863 Shotcrete Engineer for the Tower of the Sun but quite grotesque. 204 00:16:28,863 --> 00:16:28,988 Shotcrete Engineer for the Tower of the Sun 205 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:33,534 Back then, Kisho Kurokawa and Arata Isozaki were in their 30s. 206 00:16:33,701 --> 00:16:37,872 They were talented emerging architects. 207 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:42,460 Their assistants were mostly mid and late 20s. 208 00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:46,881 So, there was an energetic mood among US. 209 00:16:47,048 --> 00:16:50,218 A “we were selected” kind of atmosphere 210 00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:54,055 filled the office at that time. 211 00:16:54,222 --> 00:17:00,228 We were inspired by each other and went full throttle. 212 00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:03,689 The entire society was full of energy. 213 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,404 Taro wanted the surface bumpy. 214 00:17:10,571 --> 00:17:17,328 Like you threw some mud balls at the surface. 215 00:17:17,453 --> 00:17:22,250 Not an industrial surface, but a more natural texture 216 00:17:22,416 --> 00:17:24,752 was what he pursued. 217 00:17:26,671 --> 00:17:30,591 It was huge. Massive. 218 00:17:31,259 --> 00:17:37,014 I realized that we were making something extraordinary. 219 00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:39,684 Even then, it was a special feeling. 220 00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:42,270 When I looked up at it on the site, 221 00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,856 the perspective was very close. 222 00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:50,444 The 20-meter body and the 12. 5-meter face looked 223 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:54,448 enormously huge, but the top 224 00:17:54,615 --> 00:17:57,076 looked extremely small. 225 00:17:57,243 --> 00:18:00,621 It was like an unknown monster. 226 00:18:09,463 --> 00:18:12,300 Taro proposed the Tower of the Sun, 227 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:16,304 which punched a hole in Kenzo Tange's Big Roof. 228 00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:17,430 Big Roof was a prototype of a mid-air city 229 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:21,642 Architect/ Expo " 70-Osaka General Producer Big Roof was a prototype of a mid-air city 230 00:18:21,642 --> 00:18:21,767 Architect/ Expo '70-Osaka General Producer 231 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:24,478 Architect/ Expo '70-Osaka General Producer created by Tange's imagination. 232 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:24,562 Architect/ Expo '70-Osaka General Producer 233 00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:29,483 It was made using a new structure called “space frame. 234 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,945 With that technique, you could extend the roof 235 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:34,655 as far as you wanted. 236 00:18:34,822 --> 00:18:39,327 A new city could be born in mid-air. 237 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:44,457 The abstract urbanization idea showcased at Expo 70 was 238 00:18:44,582 --> 00:18:49,587 from the architectural movement cal led Metabolism. 239 00:18:49,712 --> 00:18:52,798 As Japan is an island nation, 240 00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:55,926 unlike Europe, China and the USA, 241 00:18:56,052 --> 00:19:01,349 it's impossible to develop a city Just as you draw it up. 242 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:04,477 The architects thought of making a space. 243 00:19:04,602 --> 00:19:08,314 Making artificial flat land in the air would 244 00:19:08,439 --> 00:19:11,484 make pure urban planning possible. 245 00:19:11,734 --> 00:19:15,863 Big Roof is the apotheosis of the Metabolist movement, 246 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:19,033 and the Tower of the Sun penetrated the roof. 247 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,704 It was like a "polaristic" explosion. 248 00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:27,333 It's very meaningful to make a hole. 249 00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:31,545 Because a hole connects the top and the bottom. 250 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,882 I think it means that values are overturned. 251 00:19:35,049 --> 00:19:41,555 Taro won when the hole was made, because there was no top or bottom. 252 00:19:41,722 --> 00:19:46,727 Three levels: underground, surface and mid-air. 253 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:50,481 Underground was the past world. 254 00:19:50,606 --> 00:19:52,983 Surface was the present. 255 00:19:53,442 --> 00:19:56,195 Big Roof in the air was the future. 256 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:02,660 The theme zone was divided into these three worlds. 257 00:20:02,785 --> 00:20:08,040 First you went underground and saw the birth of life. 258 00:20:08,165 --> 00:20:12,086 The first one was life. Substances making life. 259 00:20:12,253 --> 00:20:16,757 Taro first showed substances in blood, and 260 00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:20,511 the moment when life is born. 261 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,098 He began the story of the theme from there. 262 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,850 Next was... 263 00:20:25,975 --> 00:20:27,935 the zone of humans. 264 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:33,607 Human beings lived their proud lives in harmony with nature. 265 00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:39,113 The exhibition captured a moment of those lives in 266 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,782 the time of hunting and gathering. 267 00:20:42,158 --> 00:20:45,619 The third area was about prayer. 268 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:49,039 Things Taro collected from all over the world, 269 00:20:49,623 --> 00:20:53,794 like masks and statues of gods, were hanging 270 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:55,087 in the air. 271 00:20:55,546 --> 00:21:01,302 The main mask in the center was the Underground Sun, 272 00:21:01,469 --> 00:21:05,222 but it had no nose or mouth, just eyes. 273 00:21:06,474 --> 00:21:09,643 Passing it, you went into the tower. 274 00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:15,232 There was the "Tree of Life”, a 45-meter tree-shape object, 275 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:21,947 with creatures, from ameba to human, describing the evolution of life. 276 00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:25,659 292 creatures were attached to the tree. 277 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:26,160 Sub-Producer for Expo 70 Theme Exhibition 278 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,831 Sub-Producer for Expo '7O Theme Exhibition Taro drew the I image of the "Tree of Life" on a big canvas, 279 00:21:30,831 --> 00:21:31,457 Taro drew the image of the "Tree of Life on a big canvas, 280 00:21:31,582 --> 00:21:34,668 and told us to glue images of creatures. 281 00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:39,340 So everyone cut images from magazines or posters. 282 00:21:39,507 --> 00:21:45,304 An elephant, or others. And the entire work was made. 283 00:21:45,429 --> 00:21:50,017 He often said, like he was talking to himself: 284 00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:56,023 "This is a tree, but the shape is the same as blood vessels.' 285 00:21:56,148 --> 00:22:00,861 I learned that the entire tower was life. 286 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:04,615 The tree was veins, arteries and lymph glands. 287 00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:10,663 The red folds were like a brain, called "intellectual folds”. 288 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:11,163 Artist/Fashion Designer 289 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:16,794 Artist/Fashion Designer For Taro, red symbolized blood. 290 00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:16,877 Artist/Fashion Designer 291 00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:21,882 Especially, he meant bright red blood. 292 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:27,012 The impression from it is like fresh blood, right? 293 00:22:27,137 --> 00:22:28,514 The symbol of life. 294 00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:30,683 You look down from the top, 295 00:22:30,808 --> 00:22:35,479 and you see various creatures memorized in your blood, 296 00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:40,484 reaching to a single cell. It's all one line. 297 00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:45,072 All lives are connected, deriving from one root. 298 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:47,241 All is one. 299 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:52,204 Actually the amebas were huge, but human was like this. 300 00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:57,668 - Human was the smallest, which represented Taro's view. 301 00:22:58,085 --> 00:23:00,421 He said, "Look at ameba". 302 00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:03,257 "They stretch and shrink.” 303 00:23:03,424 --> 00:23:08,554 “Unite and separate. They can move so freely. 304 00:23:08,679 --> 00:23:12,766 "Don't you envy them?” 305 00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:18,898 Humans are unhappy, dirty and poor because of self-consciousness. 306 00:23:19,023 --> 00:23:22,776 If you reduce yourself to a single-celled creature, 307 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:26,280 you'll feel that your life is fulfilled. 308 00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:32,119 You up the escalator, looking at the Tree of Life. 309 00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:36,790 You go through the arms, and get to Big Roof. 310 00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:43,297 In Big Roof, there was a future city. 311 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,302 It was the future, but had the “Wall of Contradiction”. 312 00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:54,224 A collage of various contradictions, ugliness like wars was displayed there. 313 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:59,480 A piece about a nuclear bomb, too. After seeing those works, 314 00:23:59,605 --> 00:24:02,149 a photo exhibition was on the ground. 315 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:07,071 It was titled "The Common Man - Mainstay of Today's World”. 316 00:24:07,196 --> 00:24:12,952 Nameless common citizens supported society and the human world. 317 00:24:13,077 --> 00:24:16,664 Taro said this, I heard. What he created was 318 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:22,336 the complete opposite of the idea and values of Expo. 319 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:27,257 "You have to expose the desires and aesthetics...” 320 00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:30,678 “That humans originally have in themselves." 321 00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:35,975 "Otherwise, there's no progress or harmony, he often said. 322 00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:38,185 Taro said, 323 00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:44,024 "If we can't complete the Tower of the Sun,” 324 00:24:44,274 --> 00:24:49,446 "I will stand and open my arms out there.' 325 00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:51,865 He actually said that. 326 00:24:52,116 --> 00:24:59,456 Scholar of Japanese Fine Arts 327 00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:20,185 The Tower of the Sun is interesting. 328 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:23,397 I don't know... 329 00:25:24,231 --> 00:25:28,569 What does the tower mean to us? 330 00:25:33,699 --> 00:25:37,369 Giving up flesh and blood, you are a slave to machines. 331 00:25:37,494 --> 00:25:42,916 Harmony ls a collision. . You need to throw in something opposite. 332 00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:47,921 That's why I created it. I don't mind if people hate it 333 00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:52,009 If people are not happy with it. That's fine. 334 00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:57,407 His father, Ippei, was a cartoonist. 335 00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:01,495 His mother, Kanoko, was a poet and novelist. 336 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,331 Taro was born into an artistic family. 337 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:09,628 This is a well-known story: When Kanoko did her work, 338 00:27:09,753 --> 00:27:14,758 in order to focus, she tied Taro to a pillar with her belt. 339 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,511 Of course, Taro cried. 340 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:21,682 No matter how much he cried, Kanoko didn't look back. 341 00:27:22,391 --> 00:27:25,310 And Taro, being left alone, 342 00:27:25,435 --> 00:27:28,438 kept staring at his mother's back. 343 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:34,862 Later Taro said he understood his mother even when he was little. 344 00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:39,491 The way artists create their work, and their devotion. 345 00:27:39,616 --> 00:27:41,201 He learned this from his mother. 346 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:46,832 Toshiko, who was Taro's partner, was my aunt. 347 00:27:47,124 --> 00:27:52,004 So, I've known Taro and Toshiko since I was little. 348 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:56,550 Toshiko often said that Taro's parents did not 349 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:59,219 treat Taro as a small child. 350 00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:02,389 They treated him as an individual. 351 00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:08,312 Before Taro moved to Paris, Ippei went to London for work. 352 00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:09,730 Kanoko went with him. 353 00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:14,234 Taro entered university Just six months before, 354 00:28:14,401 --> 00:28:18,488 but he left Japan with his parents, but not for a trip. 355 00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:23,160 He was going to live in Paris, using that opportunity. 356 00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:25,162 He decided that. 357 00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:30,083 In Paris, he looked around museums and studied painting. 358 00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:30,542 He was shocked when he saw Picasso's work. 359 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:33,587 He was shocked when he saw Artist Picasso's work. 360 00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:33,712 Artist 361 00:28:34,004 --> 00:28:38,425 In abstract art, it doesn't matter if you are from Japan, 362 00:28:38,592 --> 00:28:42,554 or what style you have done previously. 363 00:28:42,888 --> 00:28:44,264 Then, he was in. 364 00:28:44,681 --> 00:28:44,890 Paris led the established Western world, 365 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:49,186 Professor of French Philosophy Paris led the established Western world, 366 00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:49,269 Professor of French Philosophy 367 00:28:49,311 --> 00:28:51,605 which led the whole planet. 368 00:28:51,772 --> 00:28:57,611 But the World War was about to begin, and society was in chaos. 369 00:28:57,778 --> 00:29:02,616 It was a time of extreme pressure in society 370 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:07,037 when Taro joined the edgiest group of artists, 371 00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:09,623 avant-garde artists. 372 00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:12,209 But he reached an impasse soon. 373 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:16,296 Finally, when he was 25, he couldn't hold back from 374 00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:18,966 painting "Wounded Arm”. 375 00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:22,594 It wasn't categorized as an abstract work. 376 00:29:22,719 --> 00:29:25,973 But when Andre Breton looked at it, 377 00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:26,807 he suggested Taro show it at a Surrealist exhibition. 378 00:29:26,807 --> 00:29:30,269 He suggested Taro show it Poet/Author at a Surrealist exhibition. 379 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:30,477 Poet/Author 380 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:33,397 Breton was the leader of Poet/Author the movement. 381 00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:33,480 Poet/Author 382 00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:35,816 The Surrealist artists 383 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,819 invited him to join them. 384 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:40,821 But he didn't join. 385 00:29:41,363 --> 00:29:43,782 Abstraction and Surrealism, both were fine, 386 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:48,495 but after all, they were in a world of art and artists. 387 00:29:48,662 --> 00:29:52,499 It was not important to pick your group, left or right. 388 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:55,168 Meanwhile, he realized that 389 00:29:55,335 --> 00:30:00,299 he had to study not only technique but human existence. 390 00:30:00,716 --> 00:30:02,634 He entered the University of Paris. 391 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:08,849 He happened to see some old folkloric artifacts. 392 00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:10,350 He was shocked. 393 00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:14,646 It was not high art, but used for daily life. 394 00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:20,777 Something created not by artists, but by people living there. 395 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:23,530 It caught his eye very strongly, 396 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:29,286 and he entered the Institute of Ethnology in the university. 397 00:30:29,411 --> 00:30:30,078 The famous professors included Marcel Mauss. 398 00:30:30,078 --> 00:30:34,291 Anthropologist The famous professors included Marcel Mauss. 399 00:30:34,291 --> 00:30:34,374 Anthropologist 400 00:30:34,416 --> 00:30:36,460 Mauss is interesting because he was good at discovering 401 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:40,213 Mauss is interesting because I I he was good at discovering Sociologist 402 00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:40,380 Sociologist 403 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:41,965 cultures and thoughts passed on from ancient Celtic and Paleolithic Eras, Sociologist 404 00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:46,845 cultures and thoughts passed on from ancient Celtic and Paleolithic Eras, 405 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:50,891 in our modern lives. They have survived and 406 00:30:51,475 --> 00:30:55,062 appear in different shapes. 407 00:30:55,145 --> 00:30:55,354 Ethnologist 408 00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:57,314 Ethnologist Mauss is known for his theory of "The Gift”. 409 00:30:57,314 --> 00:30:59,191 Mauss is known for his theory of "The Gift”. 410 00:30:59,316 --> 00:31:02,486 A mask from an “uncivilized” society, for example. 411 00:31:02,611 --> 00:31:04,988 When you see it, the mask 412 00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:08,909 reflects the maker's view of the world, 413 00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:12,871 and his/her inner spirit. 414 00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:14,539 Therefore, if you learn the method of interpretation, 415 00:31:14,539 --> 00:31:19,419 Ethnologist Therefore, if you learn the method of interpretation, 416 00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:19,586 Ethnologist 417 00:31:19,586 --> 00:31:20,545 Ethnologist you will be able to interpret it. 418 00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:23,090 You will be able to interpret it. 419 00:31:23,548 --> 00:31:25,675 Mauss first advocated this. 420 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:31,390 You have a goal you are aiming at, and visvalize it, 421 00:31:31,515 --> 00:31:35,852 and project it toward the future, which is called “vision”. 422 00:31:35,977 --> 00:31:41,400 Myths embrace the power of vision. 423 00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:44,611 That is Marcel Mauss's theory. 424 00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:48,198 Taro had a similar idea 425 00:31:49,449 --> 00:31:52,452 to what Mauss said. I mean, 426 00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:57,124 he also believed in the power of myths. 427 00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:28,113 Being an artist is not just being someone who paints. 428 00:32:28,238 --> 00:32:34,661 Artists need to live as integrated and free beings. 429 00:32:34,828 --> 00:32:41,168 So, we must know everything that happens in the world. 430 00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:55,307 That is why Marcel Mauss's ethnology fascinates me. 431 00:32:55,682 --> 00:33:00,353 The person who influenced Taro the most, 432 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,692 or for whom he had a sympathy was Georges Bataille. 433 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:08,528 I think that's wild. 434 00:33:09,112 --> 00:33:11,406 Bataille, at that time, said 435 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:12,199 Bataille, at that time, said Philosopher 436 00:33:12,199 --> 00:33:12,741 Philosopher 437 00:33:12,741 --> 00:33:18,330 we should destroy all systems and established aesthetics, Philosopher 438 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:18,371 Philosopher 439 00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:21,541 10 release our senses for new creation. 440 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:24,211 He said "Beauty is shit.” 441 00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:31,343 “If you can't say shit is beautiful, you are trapped by old aesthetics. 442 00:33:31,468 --> 00:33:36,181 This is called "Base Materialism”. 443 00:33:36,306 --> 00:33:39,309 Ideologies are useless. Actual things. 444 00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:43,063 Living things, which can rot. 445 00:33:43,188 --> 00:33:49,069 And they are not sophisticated. No theory. 446 00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:54,157 "This stinky rotten thing” IS what we need. 447 00:33:54,282 --> 00:33:57,244 So, Bataille 448 00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:03,083 horrified all his fellow philosophers. 449 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:05,210 Actually, they hated him. 450 00:34:05,335 --> 00:34:09,005 But in fact, his idea can 451 00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:12,092 go beyond the modern era. 452 00:34:12,509 --> 00:34:13,134 The clue is that you shouldn't have anthropocentric ideas. 453 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:17,097 Literary Critic The clue is that you shouldn't have anthropocentric ideas. 454 00:34:17,097 --> 00:34:17,222 Literary Critic 455 00:34:17,222 --> 00:34:20,600 Literary Critic Bataille obviously thought that 456 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:20,725 Literary Critic 457 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:22,352 Literary Critic the humans who made cave paintings lived on in himself. 458 00:34:22,352 --> 00:34:25,438 The humans who made cave paintings lived on in himself. 459 00:34:26,356 --> 00:34:28,567 The motifs were animals. 460 00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:33,113 Mixtures of humans and animals were also found. 461 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,368 It can be human and animal at the same time. 462 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:43,623 In nature, humans are not a special existence, 463 00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:46,251 they are a part of nature. 464 00:34:46,835 --> 00:34:51,715 Taro followed Bataille, 465 00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:57,971 and he even joined a kind of secret society. 466 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:03,810 It was like Taro's destiny, I guess. 467 00:35:04,894 --> 00:35:10,817 From that point, he was not a mere painter. 468 00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:19,784 Not only as a painter, but 469 00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:22,120 not ordinary as a person. 470 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:39,846 Taro was Japanese. 471 00:35:40,013 --> 00:35:43,600 As the war escalated, Taro returned to Japan. 472 00:35:43,725 --> 00:35:48,146 He came back, but Japan still had old rules from the 19th century, 473 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,439 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director He came back, but Japan still had old rules from the 19th century, 474 00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:49,564 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director 475 00:35:49,564 --> 00:35:54,778 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director and the art world carried this old mentality. 476 00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:54,861 Taro Okamoto Memorial Museum Director 477 00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:59,616 If you turned away even a little, you'd be ignored. 478 00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:01,660 When Taro realized, 479 00:36:01,785 --> 00:36:07,666 I'm sure it was a big shock for him. 480 00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:11,211 “Is my country like this?” 481 00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:12,629 After returning to Japan, 482 00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:13,713 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator After returning to Japan, 483 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:14,756 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 484 00:36:14,756 --> 00:36:19,719 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator Taro wondered what real art Is. And he tried to 485 00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:23,223 provoke that question in Japan. 486 00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:28,395 What we had thought was art might be not art. 487 00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:32,399 Across the Japanese islands, 488 00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:36,236 Taro visited many places. 489 00:36:36,403 --> 00:36:40,907 He visited Tohoku in the north and Okinawa in the south, where 490 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:45,412 they still have cultures passed on from the Jomon era. 491 00:36:45,537 --> 00:36:50,917 He encountered them, and explored where 492 00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:53,420 he was standing. 493 00:36:53,545 --> 00:36:56,881 In his words at that time, 494 00:36:57,006 --> 00:36:59,551 "We must be covered in the mud of Japan.” 495 00:37:00,260 --> 00:37:05,765 “We Japanese can't go to the world without the mud of Japan. 496 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:10,562 "Otherwise we can't face the latest ideas and art.” 497 00:37:10,687 --> 00:37:16,401 He strongly felt that. 498 00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:18,403 So, my roots. 499 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:23,783 Where are they? What is the origin of Japan? 500 00:37:24,534 --> 00:37:29,873 Where Is the real Japan? He began to look for it. 501 00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:42,051 It was in 1952. 502 00:37:42,177 --> 00:37:47,807 Archaeologist Taro saw Jomon pottery at the National Museum in Ueno. 503 00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:47,891 Archaeologist 504 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:52,061 When he saw it, he shouted “What is it?” 505 00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:58,276 What were the makers thinking? 506 00:37:58,610 --> 00:38:01,905 What did they imply with it? 507 00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:05,158 Taro was attracted by those ideas. 508 00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:11,581 - The Jomon era was a hunting and gathering society. 509 00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:16,419 They didn't adopt mass agriculture. 510 00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:20,590 It is clear if you compare Jomon and Yayoi pottery. 511 00:38:20,715 --> 00:38:25,428 Yayoi pottery has no features. 512 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:31,684 With no decoration, it was purely practical. 513 00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:38,149 Taro saw “Kaen-doki”, the flame-rimmed earthen vessel. 514 00:38:38,274 --> 00:38:42,362 It was a big extraordinary vessel. 515 00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:44,948 Like “What is it?” 516 00:38:45,073 --> 00:38:50,036 The spirit of the Jomon people was reflected in it. 517 00:38:50,286 --> 00:38:56,000 Especially, it expresses their state of mind while hunting. 518 00:38:56,125 --> 00:39:00,547 When hunting, you hide yourself, holding a spear. 519 00:39:00,713 --> 00:39:05,343 You jump out and Kill when the opportunity comes. 520 00:39:05,468 --> 00:39:11,224 The process, how they felt: their excitement, 521 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:17,355 or their calmness. This was all described in the Jomon curves. 522 00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:21,860 Taro remembered what he learned from Marcel Mauss. 523 00:39:21,985 --> 00:39:27,031 Those various magical things from an "uncivilized" world, 524 00:39:27,156 --> 00:39:32,036 including masks and tools. I'm sure he remembered it all. 525 00:39:32,662 --> 00:39:35,248 "Wabi sabi” in Japan, 526 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:39,586 was characteristic in art from the Yayoi era. 527 00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:43,423 It was simple and functionally neat, 528 00:39:43,673 --> 00:39:49,429 but it doesn't seem to have an explosive power, 529 00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:54,183 which may destroy even itself. 530 00:39:54,517 --> 00:40:01,274 I think Japanese people have the spirit of the primitive 531 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:06,070 somewhere deep within us. 532 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:12,076 Taro was aware of this. He wanted to bring it out. 533 00:40:12,201 --> 00:40:16,289 He wanted to disturb the pre-established harmony 534 00:40:16,456 --> 00:40:21,920 found in the quiet and motionless Japanese culture. 535 00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:26,049 I think he believed that would be possible 536 00:40:26,174 --> 00:40:31,554 if he awakened and brought out our inner primitivity. 537 00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:31,888 Archaeologist 538 00:40:31,888 --> 00:40:35,224 Archaeologist Yayoi is the culture of the Chinese continent. 539 00:40:35,224 --> 00:40:35,350 Archaeologist 540 00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:38,102 Archaeologist The Japanized continental culture. 541 00:40:38,102 --> 00:40:38,144 Archaeologist 542 00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:43,316 When Yayoi came to Japan, the Jomon culture was subdued. 543 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,611 Completely conquered, culturally. 544 00:40:46,736 --> 00:40:52,283 The Yayoi culture brought rice farming and iron. 545 00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:55,411 These were new techniques. 546 00:40:55,536 --> 00:40:59,415 Agrarian civilization and techniques dominated 547 00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:04,504 all of Japan, and that made what we are now. 548 00:41:04,671 --> 00:41:08,591 As Taro wrote in his thesis, 549 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:15,098 from the time humanity emerged, cognition has been unchanged. 550 00:41:15,223 --> 00:41:19,477 It's not true that primitives or children are inferior. 551 00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:24,357 It's a fantasy to think science helps us understand the world better. 552 00:41:24,524 --> 00:41:29,028 Even before physics or math was established, human beings 553 00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:31,781 recognized the world as we do. 554 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:38,871 From Yayoi, bureaucracy and hierarchy were established. 555 00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,332 People live routinely, 556 00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:43,501 and hoard their gains. 557 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,674 In the pet it bourgeois society, people lose the purpose of life, 558 00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:53,845 and become like machines. 559 00:41:54,137 --> 00:41:56,889 This has lasted for 2000 years. 560 00:41:57,015 --> 00:42:00,727 The Jomon era lasted over ten thousand years. 561 00:42:00,852 --> 00:42:05,231 It was an alternative to capitalist society. 562 00:42:05,565 --> 00:42:06,065 A hunting society seems competitive, but it is not. 563 00:42:06,065 --> 00:42:10,403 Explorer A hunting society seems competitive, but it is not. 564 00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:10,528 Explorer 565 00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:12,363 Explorer They never brag when they kill. 566 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:14,032 They never brag when they kill. 567 00:42:14,407 --> 00:42:17,160 It is an equal society. 568 00:42:17,285 --> 00:42:22,915 Things are hand-made with natural materials, all freely available. 569 00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:26,044 No inequality on a material level. 570 00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:31,340 If you are given something from others, you owe them, right? 571 00:42:31,466 --> 00:42:34,427 But a hunting society avoids this. 572 00:42:34,594 --> 00:42:40,892 One binge eats while the other goes hungry. 573 00:42:41,017 --> 00:42:44,896 In their society, even a child knows this is wrong. 574 00:42:45,021 --> 00:42:49,108 They try to be equal on both material and ethical levels. 575 00:42:49,358 --> 00:42:55,406 The population of hunter-gatherers is now almost zero. 576 00:42:55,531 --> 00:43:00,411 In the world we are in, there are eight rich people, 577 00:43:00,536 --> 00:43:06,459 who have the same amount of money that 3.8 billion people have. 578 00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:10,254 This insane society is what we have got. 579 00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:13,633 Farming has been industrialized. 580 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,970 The owners hire farmers, and become rich. 581 00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:20,473 Someone who has never touched soil 582 00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:27,271 - hires many people to do farming efficiently., which Is wrong. 583 00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:31,234 People should own their land, 584 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:36,155 and grow what they eat themselves. 585 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,825 I believe that is an ideal society. 586 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:41,911 After the Jomon era ended, 587 00:43:42,036 --> 00:43:46,624 People from the continent arrived in the southwest, and moved north. 588 00:43:46,749 --> 00:43:50,586 They pushed the Jomon people to the north and south, 589 00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:57,009 probably interacting, but forcefully, to the outskirts. 590 00:43:57,176 --> 00:44:00,930 That's why it's said Ainu and Okinawans are alike. 591 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:02,306 On the periphery of Japan, not the center, 592 00:44:02,306 --> 00:44:04,183 Art Historian On the periphery of Japan, not the center, 593 00:44:04,183 --> 00:44:04,308 Art Historian 594 00:44:04,308 --> 00:44:08,855 Art Historian Taro hoped to find the remnants of Jomon culture. 595 00:44:08,855 --> 00:44:09,021 Art Historian 596 00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:09,981 Art Historian So, he explored Tohoku and Okinawa. 597 00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:12,108 So, he explored Tohoku and Okinawa. 598 00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:33,713 Ainu Vocal Group 599 00:44:49,562 --> 00:44:53,983 Jomon culture's front line was east Japan, 600 00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:57,737 although Taro didn't know. 601 00:44:57,862 --> 00:45:03,326 Ancient Emishi or Ezo people, and the Ainu, 602 00:45:03,451 --> 00:45:08,873 those people might be connected with the Jomon culture. 603 00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:13,211 Taro was certain of this. 604 00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:50,957 Iwate Traditional Dance Deer Dance 605 00:45:50,957 --> 00:45:51,249 Iwate Traditional Dance Deer Dance Taro began photographing old people in rural Tohoku, 606 00:45:51,249 --> 00:45:55,127 Taro began photographing old people in rural Tohoku, 607 00:45:55,294 --> 00:46:00,299 as well as the old rituals and festivals. 608 00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:05,471 What he felt about modern Japanese society was... 609 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:09,642 economic development was worshipped as an idol, 610 00:46:09,809 --> 00:46:15,147 which destroyed old things, made roads and buildings. 611 00:46:15,314 --> 00:46:19,902 Taro was repulsed by that. So, 612 00:46:20,027 --> 00:46:24,782 when he found Tohoku and Okinawa, 613 00:46:24,907 --> 00:46:27,994 he was completely absorbed. 614 00:46:29,203 --> 00:46:33,332 He wanted to look into what remained there. 615 00:46:33,457 --> 00:46:37,503 In contrast with a hot society with energetic progress, 616 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:42,591 Taro tried to find what human beings had thought, hoped and dreamed, 617 00:46:42,717 --> 00:46:45,678 in a context of a cold static society. 618 00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:51,475 Taro watched the traditional deer dance, 619 00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:53,978 Ethnologist Taro watched the traditional deer dance, 620 00:46:53,978 --> 00:46:54,103 Ethnologist 621 00:46:54,103 --> 00:46:57,273 Ethnologist in Hanamaki, Iwate Prefecture. 622 00:46:57,273 --> 00:46:57,356 Ethnologist 623 00:46:57,523 --> 00:47:02,945 Local farmers were disguised as deer. 624 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:09,201 Taro joined them dancing, and took great photos. 625 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:13,831 When the deer dance was born, 626 00:47:13,956 --> 00:47:18,961 people faced animals one on one, 627 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:23,466 one kills and the other is killed - they meet with their [lives. 628 00:47:23,591 --> 00:47:28,304 That memory is included in the dance. 629 00:47:28,888 --> 00:47:33,225 Taro always photographed the dancers faces, 630 00:47:33,392 --> 00:47:35,561 after taking off their masks. 631 00:47:35,728 --> 00:47:39,231 The dancers showed their relaxed faces. 632 00:47:39,648 --> 00:47:43,819 Human beings transform themselves into animals, 633 00:47:44,028 --> 00:47:49,158 and back to humans again. He captured that moment. 634 00:47:49,408 --> 00:47:53,913 This dynamism or transformation 635 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,875 is an indicator of shamanism. 636 00:47:58,125 --> 00:48:01,921 I think Taro thought that way. 637 00:48:12,598 --> 00:48:14,600 In relation to the deer dance, 638 00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:18,729 Ainu in Hokkaido have a ritual cal led lomante. 639 00:48:18,854 --> 00:48:23,859 When they kill a bear which has a cub, 640 00:48:24,026 --> 00:48:29,532 the women in the village raise the cub for a year or two. 641 00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:34,954 Then later, they sacrifice the cub. 642 00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:39,625 Iomante literally means "to send something off". 643 00:48:39,792 --> 00:48:45,131 When Taro learned about this lomante ritual, he saw 644 00:48:45,297 --> 00:48:48,217 a similarity with the deer dance. 645 00:48:48,342 --> 00:48:54,098 The direct relationships between humans and animals or wildlife, 646 00:48:54,223 --> 00:48:58,269 and their interactions. 647 00:49:00,980 --> 00:49:03,065 Living with wild animals 648 00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:08,320 right next to you, you naturally have the skills 649 00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:12,741 to kill bears or deer, and to dismember them. 650 00:49:12,867 --> 00:49:15,119 They are arts of living. 651 00:49:15,244 --> 00:49:19,999 Killing, eating, skinning and tanning animals are 652 00:49:20,124 --> 00:49:21,750 just natural acts. 653 00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:28,924 In western Japan, people who skin dead horses or cows have been 654 00:49:29,049 --> 00:49:33,179 historically discriminated against. 655 00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:36,098 But it's not true in Tohoku. 656 00:49:36,223 --> 00:49:42,480 The human-animal relationships based on the hunting culture from Jomon 657 00:49:42,605 --> 00:49:44,982 has affected this. 658 00:49:45,566 --> 00:49:46,108 Ainu in Hokkaido have tattoos on our hands and mouths. 659 00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:49,695 MAREWREW Vocalist Ainu in Hokkaido have tattoos on our hands and mouths. 660 00:49:49,695 --> 00:49:49,820 MAREWREW Vocalist 661 00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:50,529 MAREWREW Vocalist In Okinawa, they also have the tattoo tradition called Hajichi, 662 00:49:50,529 --> 00:49:54,617 In Okinawa, they also have the tattoo tradition called Hajichi, 663 00:49:54,742 --> 00:49:58,037 in which women's hands are tattooed, like Ainu. 664 00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:01,707 So that, at least, can be said to be similar. 665 00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:06,045 Many people have a fascination for Jomon culture, 666 00:50:06,212 --> 00:50:10,716 and they say it was passed on to Ainu culture. 667 00:50:10,841 --> 00:50:16,222 It's partly correct. For example, the respect for animals. 668 00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:19,558 They had rituals after they ate animals. 669 00:50:19,683 --> 00:50:23,979 If you dig into it, everything must be connected, 670 00:50:24,104 --> 00:50:29,401 so I don't think you should stick only to Jomon. 671 00:50:29,693 --> 00:50:31,403 Taro went 672 00:50:31,570 --> 00:50:32,488 to Okinawa around 1960. 673 00:50:32,488 --> 00:50:35,074 Professor of French Philosophy to Okinawa around 1960. 674 00:50:35,074 --> 00:50:35,199 Professor of French Philosophy 675 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,745 Professor of French Philosophy There he responded deeply 10 old folkways and such. 676 00:50:39,745 --> 00:50:39,828 Professor of French Philosophy 677 00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:43,707 One island, or one human society 678 00:50:43,958 --> 00:50:50,172 is woven into people's lives. There was an actual example. 679 00:50:50,297 --> 00:50:53,008 He intuitively sensed it. 680 00:50:53,342 --> 00:50:56,845 Things, which for people in Okinawa, Japan, 681 00:50:56,971 --> 00:51:01,559 are not meant for show, were interesting to Taro. 682 00:51:01,684 --> 00:51:06,855 He dug up some old festivals and other customs. 683 00:51:07,147 --> 00:51:11,694 You're not supposed 10 take photos of the rituals in Okinawa, 684 00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:15,614 because they are solemn and ephemeral. 685 00:51:15,781 --> 00:51:19,451 Photographing can be a kind of violent act. 686 00:51:19,618 --> 00:51:22,204 But Taro still decided to take photos. 687 00:51:23,998 --> 00:51:26,709 The way of living itself is expression. 688 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:31,797 The appearances of old women, and how they walked are 689 00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:34,967 art, as we call it now. 690 00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:41,432 When a group of people performed something, 691 00:51:41,724 --> 00:51:47,938 Taro found some fundamental similarities of expression. 692 00:51:57,781 --> 00:52:02,911 As found many times in his book, 693 00:52:03,037 --> 00:52:06,498 what the occupation by the US army meant. 694 00:52:06,624 --> 00:52:10,669 Was a topic that he clearly understood. 695 00:52:10,794 --> 00:52:15,507 I think it is very important. 696 00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:19,678 What he wrote was not how wonderful Okinawa is. 697 00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:22,181 He didn't merely write about that. 698 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:25,434 He knew of the situation in Okinawa, 699 00:52:26,101 --> 00:52:29,647 and how severe it had been. 700 00:52:29,772 --> 00:52:33,609 Understanding that, he wrote about Okinawa. 701 00:52:33,734 --> 00:52:38,489 Although we don't doubt that Okinawa is part of Japan, 702 00:52:38,614 --> 00:52:40,115 it's not true. 703 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,452 Taro had empathy for people in Okinawa, 704 00:52:43,744 --> 00:52:46,205 and embraced their issues. 705 00:52:47,289 --> 00:52:50,542 In the same way that he felt for Okinawa, 706 00:52:50,668 --> 00:52:54,380 Taro had a strong sympathy for 707 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,717 oppressed people. On the other hand, 708 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:03,722 he didn't like that some oppressed people have 709 00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:09,728 allowed themselves 10 be spiritually castrated over time. 710 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:12,231 He strongly criticized that. 711 00:53:12,481 --> 00:53:17,069 I think it was his love. With his deep love and sympathy, 712 00:53:17,236 --> 00:53:23,409 he didn't want to see a castrated way of being. 713 00:53:23,534 --> 00:53:25,744 In our times, 714 00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:30,582 “voluntary servitude” is becoming a key word. 715 00:53:30,749 --> 00:53:34,086 And that's exactly what Taro pointed out. 716 00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:37,256 With anger, 717 00:53:37,381 --> 00:53:40,843 he wanted to provoke the question. 718 00:53:41,176 --> 00:53:45,055 I think Tohoku has been a colony for 1000 years, 719 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:51,937 over these 1000 years, people have been castrated and 720 00:53:52,396 --> 00:53:56,066 have forgotten that they are colonized. To them, 721 00:53:56,358 --> 00:54:00,404 Taro didn't say . Hey, it's voluntary servitude. 722 00:54:00,821 --> 00:54:05,284 Without those words, he just encouraged people. 723 00:54:05,451 --> 00:54:10,456 “Create a more intense, more lively culture. 724 00:54:10,622 --> 00:54:12,958 "Now and here.” 725 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:18,589 "If you don't do that, you will be fake.” 726 00:54:18,714 --> 00:54:21,925 Incitingly but encouragingly. 727 00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:36,774 . There is a phrase voluntary servitude. 728 00:54:36,899 --> 00:54:41,320 Taro had uncomfortable feelings about Japanese society, 729 00:54:41,487 --> 00:54:45,949 which I think were rooted in this idea. 730 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,160 In 16th-century France, it was posited by Etienne de La Boetie. 731 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,662 Humanist In 16th-century France, it was posited by Etienne de La Boetie. 732 00:54:50,662 --> 00:54:50,829 Humanist 733 00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:57,252 Humanist He died early. He wrote this when he was still young. 734 00:54:57,252 --> 00:54:57,336 Humanist 735 00:54:57,377 --> 00:55:01,507 The ordinary idea is like this: there is a tyrant. 736 00:55:01,632 --> 00:55:05,511 He asserts power, and his people have 10 737 00:55:05,677 --> 00:55:09,264 obey in servitude. 738 00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:15,854 So, there is power and the oppressed people. 739 00:55:16,021 --> 00:55:21,693 This was the basic structure of society from the modern era. 740 00:55:21,902 --> 00:55:23,529 But La Boetie said no. 741 00:55:23,654 --> 00:55:27,157 A tyrant has great power. 742 00:55:27,449 --> 00:55:33,872 Some people offer to serve him, acting as his surrogates, 743 00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:39,044 and use his power instead of him. 744 00:55:40,045 --> 00:55:45,050 There are four or five people like that 745 00:55:45,217 --> 00:55:46,677 around a tyrant. 746 00:55:46,969 --> 00:55:50,806 When they function, they use his power. 747 00:55:50,931 --> 00:55:55,227 And then, under those people, 748 00:55:55,352 --> 00:55:58,564 four or five people come to each one of them, 749 00:55:58,689 --> 00:56:01,525 and they act as surrogates. 750 00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:05,696 Many of these structures are connected 751 00:56:05,821 --> 00:56:08,407 to form a large system. 752 00:56:08,574 --> 00:56:14,746 La Boetie said this was the mechanism of power and domination. 753 00:56:15,038 --> 00:56:19,918 He revealed the secret of power, different from previous ideas. 754 00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:24,423 So, what if you want to escape from it? 755 00:56:24,631 --> 00:56:28,051 Each person becomes free. 756 00:56:28,176 --> 00:56:32,180 Like, "I don't want this anymore.” 757 00:56:32,306 --> 00:56:35,267 As soon as someone says this, it will end. 758 00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:38,395 The system of power will collapse. 759 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,190 It is said that pressure for consensus is strong in Japan, 760 00:56:42,316 --> 00:56:48,238 and it is because people themselves surrogate each other, 761 00:56:48,697 --> 00:56:53,410 and can't move freely in this structure. 762 00:56:53,535 --> 00:56:59,374 For example, after the Second World War, there has been one system. 763 00:56:59,499 --> 00:57:05,464 - Post-war Japan approached America to act as surrogate for them, 764 00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:09,968 because Japan lost the war. The behavior of Japan was 765 00:57:10,093 --> 00:57:13,722 voluntary servitude to America. Because of that, 766 00:57:13,847 --> 00:57:18,560 we want to say that Japan is one of the most advanced nations. 767 00:57:18,685 --> 00:57:22,981 These words are backed up by the relationship. 768 00:57:23,106 --> 00:57:28,820 This can be found in many aspects of the Japanese society. 769 00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,157 Probably, if Taro read 770 00:57:32,324 --> 00:57:36,328 "Discourse on Voluntary Servitude”, 771 00:57:36,495 --> 00:57:38,914 he would say “Wow!” 772 00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:42,459 “This is what I think.” I'm quite sure. 773 00:57:42,584 --> 00:57:46,421 Control systems have become much tighter than before. 774 00:57:46,546 --> 00:57:51,176 They are reinforced by "morality” and " justice”. 775 00:57:51,343 --> 00:57:56,807 So, they can't be criticized. One example is corporate compliance. 776 00:57:56,932 --> 00:57:59,351 What is called justice 777 00:57:59,518 --> 00:58:05,190 secretly connects with current society's control systems. 778 00:58:05,857 --> 00:58:06,900 The Japanese mentality - why don't the Japanese argue? 779 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:11,363 Social Designer The Japanese mentality - why don't the Japanese argue? 780 00:58:11,363 --> 00:58:11,530 Social Designer 781 00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:15,117 Social Designer Why do the Japanese avoid arguments? 782 00:58:15,117 --> 00:58:16,159 Why do the Japanese avoid arguments? 783 00:58:16,368 --> 00:58:19,329 After Japan lost the war, 784 00:58:19,454 --> 00:58:24,209 Japan was supposed to reassess the wartime experience, 785 00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:29,131 and try to create a new identity and philosophy for the future, 786 00:58:29,256 --> 00:58:34,886 overcoming the wartime trauma. It was supposed to be essential. 787 00:58:35,053 --> 00:58:40,475 However, Japan had such a rapid economic boom, 788 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,147 we didn't have to look back on our miserable experiences. 789 00:58:45,397 --> 00:58:50,902 But now, it has plateaued. When we look back at our own path, 790 00:58:51,069 --> 00:58:53,321 the reassessment is missing. 791 00:58:53,447 --> 00:58:58,368 The nation has always shown constant growth 792 00:58:58,493 --> 00:59:01,371 of the economy for the people. 793 00:59:01,496 --> 00:59:06,835 - But now, people, , especially the young generation, 794 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,256 don't want anything anymore. 795 00:59:11,506 --> 00:59:12,758 I see this. 796 00:59:12,924 --> 00:59:17,054 Every desire has been 797 00:59:18,221 --> 00:59:21,892 popularized in a way. 798 00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:26,688 If you go over there, you will get better food, 799 00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:30,942 cooler things, more fun and more pleasure. 800 00:59:31,276 --> 00:59:37,282 This kind of framework doesn't work anymore in this society. 801 00:59:37,866 --> 00:59:42,370 The social foundation that has been built up, 802 00:59:42,496 --> 00:59:45,415 some call it social common capital, 803 00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:51,463 Is being destroyed now. I have this feeling. 804 00:59:51,588 --> 00:59:53,465 It's a dead end. 805 00:59:53,632 --> 00:59:59,096 We should reassess and reform society, focusing not on 806 00:59:59,221 --> 01:00:02,808 economic growth, . but try to create a mature society. 807 01:00:02,974 --> 01:00:08,105 If we don't do that, when young people like you 808 01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:09,606 become old, 809 01:00:09,981 --> 01:00:11,650 society will be a mess. 810 01:00:15,445 --> 01:00:18,448 We must avoid this. 811 01:00:18,698 --> 01:00:21,618 My grandchildren may say that 812 01:00:21,743 --> 01:00:26,832 we messed up the entire society, and made their lives harder. 813 01:00:27,249 --> 01:00:30,961 I don't want them to say that. 814 01:00:31,878 --> 01:00:36,258 I want to leave something solid for them. 815 01:00:36,383 --> 01:00:39,010 What can I do? 816 01:00:39,261 --> 01:00:41,346 I think... 817 01:01:04,828 --> 01:01:08,290 The Great East Japan Earthquake occurred on March 11. 818 01:01:08,415 --> 01:01:12,711 I experienced a deep helplessness in a single moment. 819 01:01:23,388 --> 01:01:23,555 The images showed that tsunami was so powerful and massive. 820 01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:28,560 Artist Group The images showed that tsunami was so powerful and massive. 821 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:28,643 Artist Group 822 01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:32,063 We saw it was really destroying everything, 823 01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:34,900 and we were just speechless. 824 01:01:35,066 --> 01:01:39,362 It changed my sense of values. Plus, we had Fukushima. 825 01:01:39,487 --> 01:01:44,409 With the Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Daigo Fukuryu Maru cases, 826 01:01:44,576 --> 01:01:47,662 why did Japan have this nuclear accident? 827 01:01:48,163 --> 01:01:52,876 The atomic bombs traumatized the Japanese people, 828 01:01:53,001 --> 01:01:59,007 and we have a horrible fear of nuclear power. 829 01:01:59,507 --> 01:02:02,761 But we made nuclear power plants. 830 01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:07,432 We haven't sincerely faced 831 01:02:07,682 --> 01:02:10,894 this contradiction at all. 832 01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:14,356 We have... 833 01:02:15,023 --> 01:02:16,900 left things ambiguous. 834 01:02:17,025 --> 01:02:19,945 We went to Fukushima 10 create some art pieces. 835 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,783 Back in Tokyo, we talked about Fukushima. 836 01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:28,286 It was in Shibuya, I remember. 837 01:02:28,411 --> 01:02:31,873 While talking, Taro's mural in Shibuya came to our minds. 838 01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:35,126 Then, we went to see the "Myth of Tomorrow”. 839 01:02:35,877 --> 01:02:37,963 While I looked at the painting, 840 01:02:38,088 --> 01:02:42,467 whose theme is nuclear power and horrible disasters, 841 01:02:42,592 --> 01:02:48,473 tens of thousands of people passed by. but no one looked at it. 842 01:02:48,598 --> 01:02:49,975 At that time, 843 01:02:50,141 --> 01:02:55,105 the entire Shibuya area was dim in order to save electricity. 844 01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:59,734 The city looked different, due to nuclear power, 845 01:03:00,110 --> 01:03:04,990 but people just ignored it. It seemed that way to us. 846 01:03:05,156 --> 01:03:06,157 The "Myth of Tomorrow” was made 847 01:03:06,157 --> 01:03:08,827 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator The "Myth of Tomorrow” was made 848 01:03:08,827 --> 01:03:08,952 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 849 01:03:08,952 --> 01:03:13,999 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator for the lobby of the hotel e Mexico Olympics. 850 01:03:13,999 --> 01:03:15,417 for the lobby of the hotel built for the Mexico Olympics. 851 01:03:15,542 --> 01:03:19,170 People from all over the world would go there. 852 01:03:19,296 --> 01:03:21,756 So, Taro decided to choose 853 01:03:21,881 --> 01:03:25,844 a symbolic image of Japan for the motif. 854 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:27,345 What was it? 855 01:03:27,512 --> 01:03:32,976 Taro had been exploring what Japan is, and what the Japanese have 856 01:03:33,101 --> 01:03:36,021 in the core of their minds. 857 01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:40,525 Then, Taro, as a Japanese person, came to the idea that 858 01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:44,029 he must tackle the atomic issue. 859 01:03:44,154 --> 01:03:46,114 Who else could? 860 01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:51,786 One of the most important themes of Taro's art, including 861 01:03:51,911 --> 01:03:55,707 the Tower of the Sun, was nuclear power. 862 01:03:55,874 --> 01:04:01,713 I felt that people didn't notice that. 863 01:04:01,921 --> 01:04:07,218 So, in the chronicle of nuclear disasters that Taro made, 864 01:04:07,344 --> 01:04:11,056 adding the new incident in Taro's style 865 01:04:11,389 --> 01:04:15,560 seemed like a natural act for us. 866 01:04:15,852 --> 01:04:18,646 A baton from Taro 867 01:04:18,772 --> 01:04:24,152 is relayed to us. We had that kind of feeling. 868 01:04:24,277 --> 01:04:29,366 We thought "Myth of Tomorrow” was still ongoing. 869 01:04:29,991 --> 01:04:32,869 That's why we took action. 870 01:04:32,994 --> 01:04:35,246 Nuclear image added” 871 01:04:35,372 --> 01:04:37,248 Mural vandalized” 872 01:04:37,415 --> 01:04:40,502 "Art group claims responsibility” 873 01:04:40,627 --> 01:04:42,170 "Myth of Tomorrow” 874 01:04:42,295 --> 01:04:45,006 Art Historian had been long missing. 875 01:04:45,006 --> 01:04:45,256 Art Historian 876 01:04:45,256 --> 01:04:47,425 Art Historian Taro's long-time partner Toshiko searched for it in Mexico. 877 01:04:47,425 --> 01:04:51,763 Taro's long-time partner Toshiko searched for it in Mexico. 878 01:04:51,971 --> 01:04:54,391 Toshiko told me the "Myth of Tomorrow” was in Mexico. 879 01:04:54,391 --> 01:04:56,226 Copywriter Toshiko told me the "Myth of Tomorrow” was in Mexico. 880 01:04:56,226 --> 01:04:57,060 Copywriter 881 01:04:57,060 --> 01:04:59,270 Copywriter I said, "That's big news!” 882 01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:59,396 Copywriter 883 01:04:59,646 --> 01:05:04,526 She absorbed everything and gained more and more energy., 884 01:05:04,651 --> 01:05:08,696 and worked faithfully like a martyr. 885 01:05:09,072 --> 01:05:13,410 Toshiko met Taro at the beginning of his career, 886 01:05:13,535 --> 01:05:16,246 and they started working together. 887 01:05:16,579 --> 01:05:17,539 After that, she was his personal and professional partner 888 01:05:17,539 --> 01:05:20,625 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator After that. she was his personal and professional partner 889 01:05:20,625 --> 01:05:20,750 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 890 01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:23,461 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator throughout her life. 891 01:05:23,461 --> 01:05:23,586 Taro Okamoto Museum of ART Curator 892 01:05:23,628 --> 01:05:26,381 Then, finally the mural was found, 893 01:05:26,506 --> 01:05:30,385 and when it was about to be returned to Japan, 894 01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:35,598 Toshiko passed away. It was really meaningful timing. 895 01:05:38,184 --> 01:05:40,228 My first time. 896 01:05:41,229 --> 01:05:43,398 No one is looking. 897 01:05:45,108 --> 01:05:46,734 I don't know... 898 01:05:50,405 --> 01:05:53,992 It's dancing, really. 899 01:05:56,411 --> 01:05:58,329 The "Myth of Tomorrow” and the “Tower of the Sun” were concurrent works. 900 01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:03,001 Art Critic The "Myth of Tomorrow” and the “Tower of the Sun” were concurrent works. 901 01:06:03,001 --> 01:06:03,084 Art Critic 902 01:06:03,126 --> 01:06:06,004 In the mid-air exhibition at the tower, 903 01:06:06,546 --> 01:06:11,759 There was a section of mushroom cloud from the beginning. 904 01:06:11,885 --> 01:06:18,349 So, the Tower of the Sun is clearly related to the atomic cloud. 905 01:06:18,641 --> 01:06:22,645 The "Tower of the Sun” and the "Myth of Tomorrow” - 906 01:06:22,770 --> 01:06:26,691 We can see them as a set. 907 01:06:26,858 --> 01:06:32,280 The works themselves are the questions given by Taro. 908 01:06:32,739 --> 01:06:34,282 That's all I can say. 909 01:06:34,574 --> 01:06:38,953 The tower has several faces, including the front sun. 910 01:06:39,078 --> 01:06:44,042 "The Black Sun” on the back is the sun, scientifically analyzed by humans. 911 01:06:44,209 --> 01:06:47,295 It symbolizes nuclear energy. 912 01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:50,715 It's cool that he made the face on the back. 913 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,717 We were told that 914 01:06:53,593 --> 01:06:57,388 Nuclear power generation meant that human beings 915 01:06:57,555 --> 01:07:02,894 gained an artificial sun. It was a man-made sun. 916 01:07:03,061 --> 01:07:08,191 With this artificial sun, we could freely modify nature. 917 01:07:08,316 --> 01:07:12,487 We could make anything possible. 918 01:07:12,612 --> 01:07:15,740 The scientists stated their dreams. 919 01:07:15,865 --> 01:07:18,576 That was a human-made 920 01:07:18,868 --> 01:07:21,204 artificial sun. 921 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,047 The power of nature can be 922 01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:31,464 good or evil, creation or destruction. 923 01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:35,426 Literary Critic good or evil, creation or destruction. 924 01:07:35,426 --> 01:07:35,510 Literary Critic 925 01:07:35,552 --> 01:07:40,765 Genuine artists have to acknowledge and embrace dichotomy. 926 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:46,396 Probably Taro kept trying to see the origin of life. 927 01:07:46,521 --> 01:07:52,569 So he couldn't avoid dealing with the issue of nuclear energy. 928 01:07:52,694 --> 01:07:57,615 Taking his proposal positively or negatively is a question 929 01:07:57,740 --> 01:08:00,243 that he left to us. 930 01:08:00,326 --> 01:08:07,750 Scholar of Japanese Fine Arts 931 01:08:33,109 --> 01:08:34,402 Progress in science and technology doesn't care about ideology. 932 01:08:34,402 --> 01:08:39,157 Anthropologist Progress in science and technology doesn't care about ideology. 933 01:08:39,157 --> 01:08:39,324 Anthropologist 934 01:08:39,324 --> 01:08:42,827 Anthropologist Separate from values or ideology, 935 01:08:42,827 --> 01:08:44,078 Separate from values or ideology, 936 01:08:44,203 --> 01:08:46,789 It progresses and changes people. 937 01:08:46,914 --> 01:08:51,252 In fact, miniaturized computers have changed us 938 01:08:51,377 --> 01:08:56,674 on every level of our lives, communication and relationships. 939 01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,345 Things are altered, impossible to undo. 940 01:09:00,470 --> 01:09:05,016 Science and technology are driven to progress by something 941 01:09:05,183 --> 01:09:07,977 inherent in human brains, so it just goes on. 942 01:09:08,102 --> 01:09:12,690 But a bigger principle which can enfold science 943 01:09:14,108 --> 01:09:18,488 might be found in and taken from myth. 944 01:09:18,613 --> 01:09:23,201 I think Taro envisioned that. 945 01:09:23,368 --> 01:09:27,789 He wanted to settle the contradiction, 946 01:09:27,914 --> 01:09:31,709 the contradiction that he had wrestled with, 947 01:09:31,834 --> 01:09:34,879 and created the Tower of the Sun as the result. 948 01:09:35,421 --> 01:09:37,048 The world and human beings never progress. 949 01:09:37,048 --> 01:09:40,134 Ethnologist The world and human beings never progress. 950 01:09:40,134 --> 01:09:40,259 Ethnologist 951 01:09:40,259 --> 01:09:44,889 Ethnologist I'm sure Taro sensed that. 952 01:09:44,889 --> 01:09:45,056 Ethnologist 953 01:09:45,056 --> 01:09:46,224 Ethnologist So he was driven to express it. 954 01:09:46,224 --> 01:09:48,017 So he was driven to express it. 955 01:09:48,768 --> 01:09:55,024 I think people at that time didn't understand what the tower meant. 956 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:59,070 And when it comes to us today, 957 01:09:59,237 --> 01:10:02,031 I think we don't understand, either. 958 01:10:02,865 --> 01:10:06,077 "Progress and Harmony of Mankind” 959 01:10:06,244 --> 01:10:09,372 was the theme of Expo '70-Osaka. 960 01:10:10,331 --> 01:10:11,833 The theme sounded mundane. 961 01:10:11,833 --> 01:10:12,250 Artist Group The theme sounded mundane. 962 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:12,375 Artist Group 963 01:10:12,375 --> 01:10:16,087 Artist Group It sounded too straight, almost like a joke. 964 01:10:16,087 --> 01:10:16,254 Artist Group 965 01:10:16,254 --> 01:10:18,172 Artist Group But now, 966 01:10:18,172 --> 01:10:18,256 Artist Group 967 01:10:18,381 --> 01:10:22,677 the world situation has become worse since then, so... 968 01:10:23,261 --> 01:10:25,513 Progress and harmony? 969 01:10:25,638 --> 01:10:30,685 Obviously, “harmony” sounds like... you know. 970 01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:36,357 It sounds like an easy excuse that you shouldn't even use, 971 01:10:36,482 --> 01:10:38,776 at least for me. 972 01:10:40,194 --> 01:10:42,530 Nuclear Energy for a Bright Future” 973 01:10:42,655 --> 01:10:47,744 The freedoms of speech and expression have become more restricted. 974 01:10:48,286 --> 01:10:52,957 Public I institutions require us to not use certain terms: 975 01:10:53,124 --> 01:10:56,711 Nuclear energy, radiation, Fukushima, 976 01:10:56,961 --> 01:11:00,965 Korea, North Korea and wartime comfort women. 977 01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:07,138 They say that artwork using those key words won't be subsidized. 978 01:11:07,305 --> 01:11:11,392 I feel that mainstream contemporary art in Japan 979 01:11:12,185 --> 01:11:17,774 is facing a very serious situation. 980 01:12:01,567 --> 01:12:05,988 The principles which this society is based on 981 01:12:06,113 --> 01:12:08,282 contain many contradictions, 982 01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:13,663 but we are not allowed to think about it. 983 01:12:13,788 --> 01:12:16,040 That's what society demands. 984 01:12:16,165 --> 01:12:20,211 So, media, education and such things force us to 985 01:12:20,378 --> 01:12:24,340 not think. If they see people thinking, they give us 986 01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:26,551 TV comedies, and we laugh. 987 01:12:26,676 --> 01:12:31,389 Celebrity commentators who pretend to think appear on TV, 988 01:12:31,514 --> 01:12:35,017 and people just swallow their “opinions”. 989 01:12:35,142 --> 01:12:40,356 I don't reject our time now, but I don't understand this... 990 01:12:40,648 --> 01:12:45,903 this emptiness of reality. And people like that. 991 01:12:48,906 --> 01:12:50,575 I think it's weird. 992 01:12:50,741 --> 01:12:56,581 For 3.11, however, it didn't work. People couldn't escape from thinking. 993 01:12:56,747 --> 01:13:00,751 About energy. About agriculture. 994 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:07,091 Also about human relationships. Are these okay as they are? 995 01:13:07,216 --> 01:13:13,389 But after a few years, we regress We don't have to think critically. 996 01:13:13,514 --> 01:13:17,894 The message that we can't live without nuclear energy 997 01:13:18,644 --> 01:13:22,440 is constantly delivered to us. 998 01:13:22,607 --> 01:13:25,526 So we have stopped thinking again. 999 01:13:25,985 --> 01:13:29,280 Somehow, we regressed and forgot. 1000 01:13:29,906 --> 01:13:36,120 Why we forgot is partly because we were forced to do so. 1001 01:13:36,787 --> 01:13:39,790 The Fukushima nuclear plant was said 1002 01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:42,460 to be 200 percent safe. 1003 01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:45,254 We were persuaded so. 1004 01:13:45,379 --> 01:13:50,092 But the people in charge of controlling the plants 1005 01:13:51,052 --> 01:13:55,306 did not take safety measures 1006 01:13:55,473 --> 01:13:56,933 to protect people. 1007 01:13:57,475 --> 01:14:02,229 They said it would cost billions of yen for safety measures. 1008 01:14:02,355 --> 01:14:05,149 It's nothing, isn't it? 1009 01:14:05,274 --> 01:14:11,238 I think many things were exposed at that time. 1010 01:14:11,364 --> 01:14:12,990 One of them is that 1011 01:14:14,158 --> 01:14:19,747 we Japanese are not qualified 10 possess nuclear power plants. 1012 01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:22,750 Morally, technically, 1013 01:14:22,875 --> 01:14:27,171 and on a societal level. 1014 01:14:27,546 --> 01:14:31,968 We are not qualified to handle such huge things 1015 01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:35,346 that we can't even control. 1016 01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:39,266 They dropped water from a helicopter like pissing. 1017 01:14:39,392 --> 01:14:42,478 We witnessed, with our own eyes 1018 01:14:42,603 --> 01:14:45,189 an unbelievable catastrophe. 1019 01:14:45,314 --> 01:14:47,483 But we are 1020 01:14:48,484 --> 01:14:52,613 not able to take responsibility. 1021 01:14:52,738 --> 01:14:57,034 We don't have the fortitude to take responsibility. 1022 01:14:57,368 --> 01:15:00,871 So we want to pretend as if it didn't happen. 1023 01:15:00,997 --> 01:15:05,334 To make that possible, everybody tried to 1024 01:15:05,626 --> 01:15:08,212 hide, lie and cover up the facts. 1025 01:15:08,337 --> 01:15:12,508 I think a huge moral hazard was created. 1026 01:15:38,284 --> 01:15:41,662 Difficult-to-return zone ahead. Detour here. 1027 01:15:41,787 --> 01:15:44,915 "Local nuclear emergency response headquarters, Futaba Town" 1028 01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:38,094 It reminds me that 1029 01:16:38,344 --> 01:16:44,642 the Soviet Union imploded six years after the Chernobyl accident. 1030 01:16:44,934 --> 01:16:47,394 Chernobyl was one of the causes. 1031 01:16:48,395 --> 01:16:52,274 The nuclear power plant accidents 1032 01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:58,823 left a massive negative legacy for us. 1033 01:16:58,948 --> 01:17:01,826 It's impossible to run away, 1034 01:17:01,951 --> 01:17:08,833 but we are trying to run away and to erase what happened. 1035 01:17:44,743 --> 01:17:49,165 When you see a building knocked over by tsunami, 1036 01:17:49,623 --> 01:17:54,211 They are making a big coastal barrier. It is really huge. 1037 01:17:54,336 --> 01:17:57,798 Stunningly huge. That thing 1038 01:17:57,923 --> 01:18:03,888 will really save the coastal towns and villages? 1039 01:18:04,221 --> 01:18:09,852 When the next disaster happens, that concrete wall will fall apart. 1040 01:18:09,977 --> 01:18:14,064 We don't have enough financial power 1041 01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:16,567 to maintain the wall. 1042 01:18:17,026 --> 01:18:22,990 It will not protect the future of towns and villages in the region. 1043 01:18:23,115 --> 01:18:25,910 Everybody knows that. 1044 01:18:29,413 --> 01:18:34,501 I like Taro's saying Art is an explosion! 1045 01:18:35,336 --> 01:18:39,757 Now, maybe our society is exploding. 1046 01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:45,554 Humankind hasn't progressed at all, but is losing humanity. 1047 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:49,934 There is no human who lives like a human today. 1048 01:18:50,059 --> 01:18:53,187 With your entire body, even shedding blood,. 1049 01:18:53,312 --> 01:18:56,607 Your life energy blasts off into the world, 1050 01:18:56,732 --> 01:19:01,779 like a soundless explosion. Grabbing the moment is 1051 01:19:01,904 --> 01:19:06,033 how you live as a human. That's what I think. 1052 01:19:26,095 --> 01:19:26,679 A mountain of problems is right in front of us. 1053 01:19:26,679 --> 01:19:31,392 Social Designer A mountain of problems is right in front of us. 1054 01:19:31,392 --> 01:19:31,600 Social Designer 1055 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,811 Social Designer We need to figure out how our society will deal with it. 1056 01:19:33,811 --> 01:19:36,313 We need to figure out how our society will deal with it. 1057 01:19:36,438 --> 01:19:40,317 Under these circumstances, what art can do as a social message 1058 01:19:40,567 --> 01:19:44,405 is really significant. But, 1059 01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:46,824 so far, 1060 01:19:47,992 --> 01:19:53,497 historically, we haven't faced our own problems. 1061 01:19:55,708 --> 01:19:59,795 We are not used to dealing with them. 1062 01:20:00,337 --> 01:20:03,424 Everyone restrained themselves after the disaster. 1063 01:20:03,549 --> 01:20:06,969 They couldn't do what they really want to do. 1064 01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:12,182 But we wanted to say, even when times are like that, 1065 01:20:12,349 --> 01:20:16,603 you can create and do what you want. 1066 01:20:16,854 --> 01:20:17,980 Art has a kind of mysterious feeling, 1067 01:20:17,980 --> 01:20:20,691 TV Producer/Film Director Art has a kind of mysterious feeling, 1068 01:20:20,691 --> 01:20:20,816 TV Producer/Film Director 1069 01:20:20,816 --> 01:20:23,527 TV Producer/Film Director which allures people. 1070 01:20:23,527 --> 01:20:23,652 TV Producer/Film Director 1071 01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:27,448 TV Producer/Film Director The "Myth of Tomorrow” inspired ChimlPom to take action. 1072 01:20:27,448 --> 01:20:29,491 The "Myth of Tomorrow” inspired ChimlPom to take action. 1073 01:20:30,034 --> 01:20:34,663 I think it's because art is living. 1074 01:20:34,788 --> 01:20:38,292 The existence of the mural in that place 1075 01:20:38,417 --> 01:20:40,878 definitely stimulates us. 1076 01:21:57,871 --> 01:22:01,750 After 3.11, money was not the standard of value. 1077 01:22:01,875 --> 01:22:05,629 That standard was pushed aside. 1078 01:22:06,463 --> 01:22:09,133 What people do in the situation is... 1079 01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:14,388 For example, a cardboard company suddenly began cardboard art. 1080 01:22:14,513 --> 01:22:18,100 People do whatever they want to do. Usually, 1081 01:22:18,225 --> 01:22:21,895 they get feedback like it be profitable?” 1082 01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:25,899 That makes them hesitate immediately. 1083 01:22:26,024 --> 01:22:30,571 But at that time, everyone was like, "Great!” "I like it!” 1084 01:22:30,696 --> 01:22:35,659 "Life is great!” Positive feedback made everybody happy. 1085 01:22:35,784 --> 01:22:41,165 So, many people began their own activities, which are 1086 01:22:41,498 --> 01:22:46,295 art activities, in a real sense. 1087 01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:51,967 I always say that you should do something absolutely useless, 1088 01:22:52,468 --> 01:22:55,512 or something absolutely unimportant. 1089 01:22:55,637 --> 01:22:58,474 Whether it's useful or not, 1090 01:22:58,599 --> 01:23:02,186 just do what you really want to do. 1091 01:23:02,436 --> 01:23:05,689 I think art is something that 1092 01:23:05,814 --> 01:23:10,861 doesn't fill your stomach, but fulfills your spirit. 1093 01:23:11,028 --> 01:23:11,737 Taro said that art was determination. 1094 01:23:11,737 --> 01:23:16,158 Art Historian Taro said that art was determination. 1095 01:23:16,158 --> 01:23:16,283 Art Historian 1096 01:23:16,283 --> 01:23:18,994 Art Historian When you are determined, art is born. 1097 01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:19,328 Art Historian 1098 01:23:19,328 --> 01:23:21,371 Art Historian It may be embarrassing to show your drawing to someone, 1099 01:23:21,371 --> 01:23:23,540 It may be embarrassing to show your drawing to someone, 1100 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:28,545 but the determination to show It Is art, according to Taro. 1101 01:23:28,712 --> 01:23:32,174 You will change a bit when you are determined. 1102 01:23:32,883 --> 01:23:32,966 As a performing artist, 1103 01:23:32,966 --> 01:23:37,012 Dancer As a performing artist, 1104 01:23:37,012 --> 01:23:37,137 Dancer 1105 01:23:37,137 --> 01:23:40,390 Dancer let's say in front of me 1106 01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:41,141 Dancer 1107 01:23:41,391 --> 01:23:42,893 IS a picture. 1108 01:23:44,102 --> 01:23:45,812 Thinking about it, 1109 01:23:45,938 --> 01:23:50,651 I express it as dance right here now. 1110 01:23:51,401 --> 01:23:53,862 That's art. That and this, both. 1111 01:23:55,989 --> 01:23:59,993 There is no correct answer for “what is art? 1112 01:24:00,118 --> 01:24:02,996 But, something reaches me, 1113 01:24:03,872 --> 01:24:05,916 and I can convey it. Like... 1114 01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:09,836 I can have the same emotion that the picture has. 1115 01:24:10,796 --> 01:24:14,591 Feeling the same as a performer, 1116 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:19,930 and intercommunicating is art, I think. 1117 01:24:27,771 --> 01:24:27,938 Artist/Fashion Designer 1118 01:24:27,938 --> 01:24:31,358 Artist/Fashion Designer Making things for me IS communication. 1119 01:24:31,358 --> 01:24:31,858 Artist/Fashion Designer 1120 01:24:31,858 --> 01:24:34,903 Artist/Fashion Designer It needs other people to receive it. 1121 01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:35,279 It needs other people to receive it. 1122 01:24:35,404 --> 01:24:39,950 I, as a creator, need someone who sees or has it. 1123 01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:44,538 Without those people, even if I make something, 1124 01:24:44,663 --> 01:24:49,126 I can't call it my work. 1125 01:24:49,251 --> 01:24:50,961 Drawing a picture, or 1126 01:24:50,961 --> 01:24:52,754 Professor of French Philosophy Drawing a picture, or 1127 01:24:52,754 --> 01:24:52,879 Professor of French Philosophy 1128 01:24:52,879 --> 01:24:56,633 Professor of French Philosophy making a sculpture or other thing. 1129 01:24:56,633 --> 01:24:56,800 Professor of French Philosophy 1130 01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,637 Professor of French Philosophy Is it really the creator's personal work? 1131 01:25:00,637 --> 01:25:02,139 Is it really the creator's personal work? 1132 01:25:02,556 --> 01:25:04,057 Thinking more widely, 1133 01:25:04,349 --> 01:25:07,144 when did human beings become human beings? 1134 01:25:07,269 --> 01:25:10,814 It is when human beings began drawing. 1135 01:25:11,273 --> 01:25:15,152 You can't find any drawings in monkey caves. 1136 01:25:15,319 --> 01:25:18,780 Human beings began with drawing. 1137 01:25:19,197 --> 01:25:23,327 Of course, they spoke. Words existed. 1138 01:25:23,702 --> 01:25:27,164 With words and images, 1139 01:25:27,331 --> 01:25:30,334 human beings built connections with the world, 1140 01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:34,963 designed and realized their lives. 1141 01:25:35,088 --> 01:25:37,674 Humans, of course, exist plurally. 1142 01:25:37,799 --> 01:25:43,180 And humans sustain the species by giving birth. 1143 01:25:43,388 --> 01:25:47,851 The process of sustaining the species includes drawing. 1144 01:25:48,018 --> 01:25:53,857 So the whole act of drawing is 1145 01:25:54,024 --> 01:25:56,026 not a personal act at all. 1146 01:25:56,193 --> 01:25:58,654 Taro believed, 1147 01:25:58,779 --> 01:26:02,866 Like economics by Marx or biology by Darwin, 1148 01:26:03,033 --> 01:26:08,205 art can have a strong equivalent vision. 1149 01:26:08,372 --> 01:26:10,165 I think. 1150 01:26:10,415 --> 01:26:14,711 - We have this current science and technology, and 1151 01:26:14,878 --> 01:26:18,340 we also need a myth to enfold it, 1152 01:26:18,799 --> 01:26:22,219 and to guide it to a vision for the future. 1153 01:26:22,386 --> 01:26:25,555 Taro thought we needed to create that myth. 1154 01:26:25,722 --> 01:26:31,478 Actually, computer engineers and scientists 1155 01:26:31,603 --> 01:26:35,232 are well aware of this. 1156 01:26:35,565 --> 01:26:38,485 That's what we need for the future. 1157 01:26:38,694 --> 01:26:39,569 Quantum theory and super string theory 1158 01:26:39,569 --> 01:26:42,072 Literary Critic Quantum theory and super string theory 1159 01:26:42,072 --> 01:26:42,239 Literary Critic 1160 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:45,742 Literary Critic are methods for recognizing the world. 1161 01:26:45,742 --> 01:26:45,826 Literary Critic 1162 01:26:45,867 --> 01:26:50,247 Even before physics or mathematics were developed, 1163 01:26:50,414 --> 01:26:54,418 I assume humans viewed the world in such ways. 1164 01:26:54,543 --> 01:26:58,088 As Daisetsu Suzuki said, people tend to think dualistically. 1165 01:26:58,088 --> 01:26:59,089 Buddhist Philosopher As Daisetsu Suzuki said, people tend to think dualistically. 1166 01:26:59,089 --> 01:26:59,214 Buddhist Philosopher 1167 01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:02,926 Buddhist Philosopher Like mind and material, because it's easier to understand. 1168 01:27:02,926 --> 01:27:03,051 Buddhist Philosopher 1169 01:27:03,051 --> 01:27:07,764 Buddhist Philosopher But it is very different from what you experience 1170 01:27:07,764 --> 01:27:07,889 Buddhist Philosopher 1171 01:27:08,056 --> 01:27:09,766 in your real life. 1172 01:27:09,891 --> 01:27:12,936 Taro tried to not separate mind from material, 1173 01:27:13,061 --> 01:27:17,941 and to manifest the idea in a concrete form. 1174 01:27:18,066 --> 01:27:20,610 And that was the same with 1175 01:27:20,736 --> 01:27:24,364 Daisetsu Suzuki and Kumagusu Minakata. 1176 01:27:25,157 --> 01:27:26,950 It's not easy to profile Minakata briefly. 1177 01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:31,455 Naturalist/Biologist/Ethnologist It's not easy to profile Minakata briefly. 1178 01:27:31,455 --> 01:27:31,621 Naturalist/Biologist/Ethnologist 1179 01:27:31,621 --> 01:27:35,876 Naturalist/Biologist/Ethnologist He was called “the ultimate potential of the Japanese”. 1180 01:27:35,876 --> 01:27:35,959 Naturalist/Biologist/Ethnologist 1181 01:27:36,001 --> 01:27:36,251 Natural historian. Ethnologist. 1182 01:27:36,251 --> 01:27:39,463 Buddhism Researcher Natural historian. Ethnologist. 1183 01:27:39,463 --> 01:27:39,629 Buddhism Researcher 1184 01:27:39,629 --> 01:27:42,257 Buddhism Researcher Also a slime mold expert. 1185 01:27:42,257 --> 01:27:42,299 Buddhism Researcher 1186 01:27:42,382 --> 01:27:46,219 I think he was an artist in a way. 1187 01:27:46,344 --> 01:27:46,887 Taro and Kumagusu. 1188 01:27:46,887 --> 01:27:48,764 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism Taro and Kumagusu. 1189 01:27:48,764 --> 01:27:49,181 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1190 01:27:49,181 --> 01:27:53,977 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism When it comes to what they found from their experiences in the West, 1191 01:27:53,977 --> 01:27:54,102 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1192 01:27:54,102 --> 01:27:56,438 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism there might be some similarities. 1193 01:27:56,438 --> 01:27:56,480 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1194 01:27:56,563 --> 01:28:02,736 They both went overseas from their early 20s until their 30s. 1195 01:28:02,861 --> 01:28:07,824 Taro lived in Paris, and Kumagusu in the US and Britain. 1196 01:28:07,991 --> 01:28:12,496 With the knowledge and techniques they gained, 1197 01:28:12,954 --> 01:28:19,169 they looked into themselves after they returned to Japan. 1198 01:28:19,377 --> 01:28:21,755 They found something missing. 1199 01:28:22,005 --> 01:28:28,094 They decided to restart from their origins, their roots. 1200 01:28:28,220 --> 01:28:31,431 Maybe that's something in common for them. 1201 01:28:31,556 --> 01:28:34,017 Slime mold for Kumagusu. 1202 01:28:34,309 --> 01:28:39,606 The more you look into primitive life forms, 1203 01:28:40,732 --> 01:28:44,528 the more you'll find something new. 1204 01:28:44,653 --> 01:28:47,864 Maybe both Kumagusu and Taro knew it. 1205 01:28:47,989 --> 01:28:50,158 How you view the world, 1206 01:28:50,367 --> 01:28:52,536 and the universe. 1207 01:28:53,036 --> 01:28:58,834 They tried to see them in an Asian way, I think. 1208 01:28:58,959 --> 01:29:04,381 Kumagusu, a scientist, took a scientific approach. 1209 01:29:04,548 --> 01:29:04,631 He said that he can see beyond the macrocosm with a microscope. 1210 01:29:04,631 --> 01:29:11,012 Buddhism Researcher He said that he can see beyond the macrocosm with a microscope. 1211 01:29:11,012 --> 01:29:11,137 Buddhism Researcher 1212 01:29:11,137 --> 01:29:14,558 Buddhism Researcher He saw the macrocosm in slime mold. 1213 01:29:14,558 --> 01:29:14,850 Buddhism Researcher 1214 01:29:14,850 --> 01:29:15,725 Buddhism Researcher He was able to find macro in micro. 1215 01:29:15,725 --> 01:29:20,564 He was able to find macro in micro. 1216 01:29:20,689 --> 01:29:23,191 Time, for instance. 1217 01:29:23,483 --> 01:29:27,320 It's said that there are past, present and future, 1218 01:29:27,445 --> 01:29:31,741 but Kumagusu thought everything is in the present. 1219 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:37,581 This interpretation can never be possible in three dimensions. 1220 01:29:37,706 --> 01:29:43,753 He thought the world must be higher-dimensional. 1221 01:29:43,962 --> 01:29:46,756 Three dimensions and the Arrow of Time. 1222 01:29:46,923 --> 01:29:53,430 Kumagusu always tried to see the world as a higher-dimensional time-space. 1223 01:29:53,597 --> 01:29:53,680 His perspective went further. 1224 01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:58,351 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism His perspective went further. 1225 01:29:58,351 --> 01:29:58,476 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1226 01:29:58,476 --> 01:30:02,105 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism He had great expectations for Buddnism, and believed 1227 01:30:02,105 --> 01:30:03,523 He had great expectations for Buddhism, and believed 1228 01:30:03,773 --> 01:30:09,613 it was capable of developing a larger academic system, 1229 01:30:10,447 --> 01:30:15,911 more inclusive than the Western one. He saw the potential in Buddhism, 1230 01:30:16,036 --> 01:30:19,247 and tried to dig it out. 1231 01:30:19,497 --> 01:30:23,710 His idea was expressed in the Minakata Mandala. 1232 01:30:33,845 --> 01:30:35,639 Mandala is sort of a description of the universe. 1233 01:30:35,639 --> 01:30:38,099 Scholar of Tibetan Philology Mandala is sort of a description of the universe. 1234 01:30:38,099 --> 01:30:38,224 Scholar of Tibetan Philology 1235 01:30:38,224 --> 01:30:41,895 Scholar of Tibetan Philology The universe in three dimensions. 1236 01:30:41,895 --> 01:30:42,896 The universe in three dimensions. 1237 01:30:43,021 --> 01:30:47,317 That is mandala. When you look at it from the top, 1238 01:30:47,442 --> 01:30:53,990 and draw it on the flat surface, that is the mandala chart. 1239 01:30:57,118 --> 01:30:59,996 It's an expression of the world, 1240 01:31:00,163 --> 01:31:04,751 or a view of the universe. That is mandala. 1241 01:31:07,754 --> 01:31:12,968 Minakata Mandala expresses everything connecting, 1242 01:31:13,093 --> 01:31:16,680 and interweaving in the world. 1243 01:31:16,805 --> 01:31:21,810 Not merely in a linear manner, but flexibly and freely, 1244 01:31:22,352 --> 01:31:27,691 things interfuse with each other in Minakata Mandala. 1245 01:31:29,901 --> 01:31:36,032 Taro often wrote that the Tower of the Sun was a mandala, 1246 01:31:36,199 --> 01:31:38,451 at the beginning of the project. 1247 01:31:40,203 --> 01:31:46,209 Taro's view of the universe was expressed in the tower. 1248 01:31:46,334 --> 01:31:49,379 Past, present and future. 1249 01:31:49,629 --> 01:31:52,298 The tower embraces them all. 1250 01:31:55,885 --> 01:32:00,223 He saw a mandala while writing Mysterious Japan, 1251 01:32:00,348 --> 01:32:04,561 and said that the concept of mandala was important. 1252 01:32:05,812 --> 01:32:06,438 It's the idea of dependent origination. 1253 01:32:06,438 --> 01:32:08,481 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism lt's the idea of dependent origination. 1254 01:32:08,481 --> 01:32:08,606 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1255 01:32:08,606 --> 01:32:13,528 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism Nothing exists independently. 1256 01:32:13,528 --> 01:32:13,653 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1257 01:32:13,653 --> 01:32:17,073 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism Everything exists in dependence on others. 1258 01:32:17,073 --> 01:32:17,240 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1259 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,326 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism This, basically, is dependent origination. 1260 01:32:20,326 --> 01:32:20,410 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1261 01:32:20,535 --> 01:32:23,246 All nature is mutually related, 1262 01:32:23,371 --> 01:32:27,333 Things are different, but that makes them the same. 1263 01:32:27,625 --> 01:32:32,005 The simplest idea may be "Muge" in Japanese, 1264 01:32:32,672 --> 01:32:35,592 meaning "freedom". 1265 01:32:35,759 --> 01:32:40,764 It means "no obstacles”, no barrier. 1266 01:32:40,930 --> 01:32:45,935 Everything interfuses and connects freely. 1267 01:32:46,269 --> 01:32:49,606 Breaking a wall, or 1268 01:32:49,773 --> 01:32:54,110 - removing a wall is probably the key for 1269 01:32:55,320 --> 01:33:00,533 Eastern philosophy, I believe. 1270 01:33:00,658 --> 01:33:05,622 It is important to make walls to categorize and analyze things, 1271 01:33:06,247 --> 01:33:09,959 but that idea is facing a dead end. 1272 01:33:10,085 --> 01:33:13,630 Breaking those walls, 1273 01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,800 making them permeable, 1274 01:33:16,966 --> 01:33:22,806 and connecting things freely are truly Eastern ways of thinking. 1275 01:33:22,931 --> 01:33:26,643 It can be said to be the Kumagusu-ish way. 1276 01:33:26,935 --> 01:33:30,647 When you make the walls permeable, 1277 01:33:30,814 --> 01:33:35,401 you'll have a different a speculative system. 1278 01:33:36,236 --> 01:33:40,824 You can obtain a new view of the world. 1279 01:33:41,032 --> 01:33:45,995 Kumagusu and Taro were sending a message 1280 01:33:46,121 --> 01:33:48,665 to us living today. 1281 01:33:48,957 --> 01:33:51,084 The concept of mandala is 1282 01:33:51,209 --> 01:33:54,504 closely related to the view of the Avatamsaka Sutra. 1283 01:33:58,341 --> 01:34:04,013 The Avatamsaka Sutra has its core idea, which was born in India. 1284 01:34:04,472 --> 01:34:05,098 Buddha is ubiquitous across the whole universe. 1285 01:34:05,098 --> 01:34:09,352 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism Buddha is ubiquitous across the whole universe. 1286 01:34:09,352 --> 01:34:09,769 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1287 01:34:09,769 --> 01:34:13,356 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism It exists in everything in the universe. 1288 01:34:13,356 --> 01:34:13,439 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1289 01:34:13,565 --> 01:34:16,442 At the same time, the universe 1290 01:34:16,568 --> 01:34:21,197 exists in Buddha. Even each pore embraces 1291 01:34:21,322 --> 01:34:24,701 the whole universe. 1292 01:34:24,826 --> 01:34:28,830 This grand ontology was developed in the Avatamsaka Sutra. 1293 01:34:32,167 --> 01:34:34,794 Where was the Avatamsaka Sutra developed? 1294 01:34:34,919 --> 01:34:38,882 A place where various ethnicities, languages, and 1295 01:34:39,007 --> 01:34:42,302 people interacted, to the west of China, 1296 01:34:42,427 --> 01:34:45,805 so it probably developed in Central Asia. 1297 01:34:47,515 --> 01:34:47,599 People in Tibet didn't think about farming, 1298 01:34:47,599 --> 01:34:51,728 People in Tibet didn't think about farming, 1299 01:34:51,728 --> 01:34:52,020 Scholar of Tibetan Philology 1300 01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:57,025 Scholar of Tibetan Philology incereasing harvests and selling The extra produce to earn money. 1301 01:34:57,025 --> 01:34:57,066 Scholar of Tibetan Philology 1302 01:34:57,984 --> 01:35:03,198 The fundamental conditions of feudalism didn't exist. 1303 01:35:04,616 --> 01:35:10,163 They lived well enough by hunting and gathering. 1304 01:35:10,288 --> 01:35:13,082 Uneven distribution of wealth 1305 01:35:13,583 --> 01:35:15,251 seldom happened there. 1306 01:35:15,543 --> 01:35:21,007 In an area like that, people had to think about how to coexist 1307 01:35:21,132 --> 01:35:23,092 with other people. 1308 01:35:23,259 --> 01:35:28,097 That led to the birth of the idea of mandala. 1309 01:35:28,264 --> 01:35:34,103 The mandala-esque way of thinking was a view of the universe, 1310 01:35:34,270 --> 01:35:38,399 born in Asia where various cultures mingled. 1311 01:35:42,362 --> 01:35:44,906 Kumagusu Minakata found mandala, 1312 01:35:45,031 --> 01:35:48,868 a living mandala, in slime mold. 1313 01:35:49,118 --> 01:35:55,041 Taro displayed ameba-shaped objects at the base of the Tower of the Sun, 1314 01:35:55,166 --> 01:36:00,964 which made me think that Taro had the same vision as Kumagusu. 1315 01:36:02,382 --> 01:36:07,762 The Tower of the Sun had to be a tower, a tree of life, 1316 01:36:07,971 --> 01:36:10,932 and a mandala all in one. 1317 01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:19,315 All nature Is blended Into one. 1318 01:36:19,607 --> 01:36:23,736 A human becomes an animal, plant or mineral. 1319 01:36:23,861 --> 01:36:28,283 A human can be a sacred tree itself, 1320 01:36:28,408 --> 01:36:32,829 to connect heaven and earth. 1321 01:36:32,954 --> 01:36:36,916 I think Taro lived with 1322 01:36:37,041 --> 01:36:40,670 this sense in himself. 1323 01:36:43,923 --> 01:36:48,428 "Torma" is an offering to the Gods. 1324 01:36:48,553 --> 01:36:52,181 The Tower of the Sun has a torma shape. 1325 01:36:52,348 --> 01:36:56,185 The concept of Torma isn't from Buddhism. 1326 01:36:56,352 --> 01:37:00,023 It originated in the Neolithic Age or earlier. 1327 01:37:00,189 --> 01:37:04,152 It was originally an offering to the God of the Sun. 1328 01:37:05,069 --> 01:37:08,781 There are various stories. Originally they offered lives, 1329 01:37:08,906 --> 01:37:12,952 sacrificing humans or living animals. 1330 01:37:13,077 --> 01:37:17,874 In northern Tibet, for instance, sacrificing animals 1331 01:37:18,249 --> 01:37:18,416 was quite common. They still do this at times. 1332 01:37:18,416 --> 01:37:23,046 Was quite common. They still do this at times. 1333 01:37:23,046 --> 01:37:23,129 Scholar of Tibetan Philology 1334 01:37:23,171 --> 01:37:29,510 When Buddhism came in, unnecessary killings were banned, 1335 01:37:29,635 --> 01:37:31,888 including sacrifice. 1336 01:37:32,096 --> 01:37:34,140 When they stopped sacrificing, 1337 01:37:34,265 --> 01:37:38,686 they used barley flour to make conical cakes, 1338 01:37:38,811 --> 01:37:41,981 and offered them to the gods instead of sacrifices. 1339 01:37:42,106 --> 01:37:45,068 It's like "Yorishiro", a residence for spirits. 1340 01:37:45,193 --> 01:37:45,276 It is said that mandala is a sanctuary and torma is a god. 1341 01:37:45,276 --> 01:37:52,575 Bon Monk It is said that mandala is a sanctuary and torma is a god. 1342 01:37:52,575 --> 01:37:52,700 Bon Monk 1343 01:37:53,034 --> 01:37:53,117 Taro wanted to make a mandala and made the tower with that in mind. 1344 01:37:53,117 --> 01:37:58,247 Tibetan Buddhist Monk Taro wanted to make a mandala and made the tower with that in mind. 1345 01:37:58,247 --> 01:37:58,414 Tibetan Buddhist Monk 1346 01:37:58,414 --> 01:38:00,666 Tibetan Buddhist Monk It's very interesting. 1347 01:38:00,666 --> 01:38:00,750 Tibetan Buddhist Monk 1348 01:38:01,084 --> 01:38:07,340 If he created the tower like that without a knowledge of torma, 1349 01:38:07,465 --> 01:38:12,595 we can say he was an excellent craftsman. 1350 01:38:12,929 --> 01:38:15,556 It's incredible. 1351 01:38:16,015 --> 01:38:21,771 He created the torma-like tower unintentionally, I assume, 1352 01:38:23,064 --> 01:38:25,858 because the archetype was deep in his consciousness. 1353 01:38:26,109 --> 01:38:26,859 Torma is an offering for Buddhas. 1354 01:38:26,859 --> 01:38:30,113 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism Torma is an offering for Buddhas. 1355 01:38:30,113 --> 01:38:30,279 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1356 01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:34,367 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism If the Tower of the Sun has the same purpose, It's very interesting. 1357 01:38:34,367 --> 01:38:34,492 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism 1358 01:38:34,492 --> 01:38:36,285 Scholar of Tibetan Buddhism I really would like to know 1359 01:38:36,285 --> 01:38:37,120 I really would like to know 1360 01:38:37,245 --> 01:38:42,291 what it was for and who it was offered to. 1361 01:38:42,583 --> 01:38:42,792 Buddhism Researcher 1362 01:38:42,792 --> 01:38:45,461 Buddhism Researcher Is the Tower of the Sun an offering? 1363 01:38:45,461 --> 01:38:46,087 Buddhism Researcher 1364 01:38:46,087 --> 01:38:49,465 Buddhism Researcher I think it may be so. 1365 01:38:49,465 --> 01:38:49,590 Buddhism Researcher 1366 01:38:50,049 --> 01:38:52,969 And who is it offered to? 1367 01:38:53,219 --> 01:38:56,139 I think it was to humanity. 1368 01:38:57,014 --> 01:39:01,978 - Our ancestors, and we living In the present time, 1369 01:39:02,103 --> 01:39:06,441 and our descendants who will live in the future. 1370 01:39:06,566 --> 01:39:09,318 The tower was 1371 01:39:09,735 --> 01:39:15,324 an offering to humanity across all time. 1372 01:39:15,491 --> 01:39:16,993 This is my opinion. 1373 01:39:33,801 --> 01:39:36,429 So what is the tower? 1374 01:39:36,762 --> 01:39:40,516 If other pavilions at Expo '70 had remained, 1375 01:39:40,683 --> 01:39:45,313 they would have all aged, but the Tower of the Sun remained, 1376 01:39:45,438 --> 01:39:48,024 and never changed or aged. 1377 01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:52,862 The tower is philosophically strong SO its messages endure. 1378 01:39:53,029 --> 01:39:58,826 It's not a sculpture of anger. It's not about love. 1379 01:39:59,368 --> 01:40:02,163 It is beyond words. 1380 01:40:02,413 --> 01:40:08,669 Japan, or all human beings who created civilization: 1381 01:40:09,504 --> 01:40:13,049 The tower looks so determined to carry their history, 1382 01:40:13,216 --> 01:40:16,469 and just keep standing there. 1383 01:40:34,820 --> 01:40:38,741 I feel like the tower can see everything. 1384 01:40:38,866 --> 01:40:41,702 Those eyes. 1385 01:40:42,078 --> 01:40:46,999 Like, the words and excuses that we make just to... 1386 01:40:47,625 --> 01:40:51,420 to justify what we want to do are not overlooked. 1387 01:40:51,546 --> 01:40:54,090 Taro wouldn't overlook those things. 1388 01:40:54,757 --> 01:40:56,926 They couldn't tear down the tower. 1389 01:40:57,093 --> 01:41:03,933 Everything else on the huge site was torn down, 1390 01:41:04,058 --> 01:41:08,104 but they couldn't tear down the Tower of the Sun. 1391 01:41:08,563 --> 01:41:12,942 Maybe they were scared of that unknown thing. 1392 01:41:14,318 --> 01:41:15,778 That... 1393 01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:20,741 chaotic thing. You can't really interpret 1394 01:41:21,075 --> 01:41:22,952 the meaning of it, can you? 1395 01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:26,455 Japanese society couldn't understand and accept it, 1396 01:41:26,581 --> 01:41:30,376 and began to reject Taro. 1397 01:41:30,501 --> 01:41:35,590 But still, they couldn't tear down the Tower of the Sun. 1398 01:41:36,048 --> 01:41:40,469 The tower keeps testing us, 1399 01:41:40,803 --> 01:41:45,766 or keeps doubting us. 1400 01:41:46,726 --> 01:41:49,729 The tower stands there for that purpose. 1401 01:41:50,062 --> 01:41:53,816 I live my life earnestly today for tomorrow. 1402 01:41:53,983 --> 01:41:58,654 And next day I'll think anew. Every moment is 1403 01:41:58,904 --> 01:42:02,617 simply wonderful. 1404 01:42:02,742 --> 01:42:04,660 That I'm living today. 1405 01:42:05,286 --> 01:42:09,332 Are you, or is the present society okay as is? 1406 01:42:09,498 --> 01:42:12,251 What is important for humanity? 1407 01:42:13,252 --> 01:42:16,672 What is the essence of humanity? 1408 01:42:16,797 --> 01:42:21,969 It's nothing but an infinite question. So, 1409 01:42:22,094 --> 01:42:26,432 what the Tower of the Sun meant in 1970, and 1410 01:42:26,557 --> 01:42:29,185 what it means today are 1411 01:42:29,477 --> 01:42:32,772 completely different. 1412 01:42:32,980 --> 01:42:37,985 As long as the tower stands there, the meaning changes, 1413 01:42:38,110 --> 01:42:41,030 although it doesn't change physically. 1414 01:42:41,155 --> 01:42:42,698 I feel... 1415 01:42:43,908 --> 01:42:48,704 the meaning will change a lot in the future. 1416 01:42:48,829 --> 01:42:52,708 Now, it stands in the Expo 70 Commemorative Park, 1417 01:42:52,875 --> 01:42:57,672 and it was made for Expo '70-Osaka in 1970, 1418 01:42:58,339 --> 01:43:04,345 and is preserved after the Expo. We know the background. 1419 01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:09,558 But someday, the facts will be forgotten, 1420 01:43:09,725 --> 01:43:14,397 maybe due to a huge war or disaster. 1421 01:43:14,563 --> 01:43:17,483 Or by an unpredictable incident. 1422 01:43:17,608 --> 01:43:22,697 I all background information is untraceable, 1423 01:43:22,822 --> 01:43:28,661 if everything including the nation of Japan doesn't exist, but 1424 01:43:29,036 --> 01:43:33,499 If the Tower of the Sun still stands there, 1425 01:43:33,624 --> 01:43:39,213 the meaning will be different from how we now perceive it. 1426 01:43:57,565 --> 01:44:03,404 It represents human thoughts before the agrarian revolution. 1427 01:44:03,529 --> 01:44:06,615 Way before the Industrial Revolution. 1428 01:44:06,741 --> 01:44:11,370 The thoughts have still survived, 1429 01:44:11,495 --> 01:44:13,456 and are in us today. 1430 01:44:13,622 --> 01:44:18,794 When they want to come out, and you try to express them, 1431 01:44:18,919 --> 01:44:20,755 you'll be obstructed. 1432 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:25,801 The tower encourages you to express, beyond those obstructions. 1433 01:44:25,926 --> 01:44:32,224 An expression can take shape beyond the creator's intention. 1434 01:44:32,349 --> 01:44:39,106 If Taro was an outstanding artist, 1435 01:44:39,231 --> 01:44:45,488 it's true because his expression went beyond Taro himself. 1436 01:44:46,155 --> 01:44:51,994 He took the contemporary circumstances into himself, 1437 01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:56,415 and output the core of those circumstances. 1438 01:44:56,540 --> 01:45:03,339 That resulted in that monument with that shape. 1439 01:45:04,423 --> 01:45:07,343 The word "gift” is becoming 1440 01:45:07,468 --> 01:45:11,180 a really important theme for today. 1441 01:45:11,514 --> 01:45:15,184 You give something as a gift 1442 01:45:15,851 --> 01:45:17,353 10 someone. 1443 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:22,441 You don't require a reward for it. 1444 01:45:23,067 --> 01:45:29,657 People who can give something 10 someone without any return 1445 01:45:29,782 --> 01:45:34,119 can be an important factor for society. 1446 01:45:34,245 --> 01:45:40,000 Like a detonator for revolution and transformation. 1447 01:45:40,501 --> 01:45:45,548 I think the Tower of the Sun was a gift. 1448 01:45:46,048 --> 01:45:51,220 We are given that strange overwhelming gift. 1449 01:46:03,065 --> 01:46:05,860 I think Taro wanted 1450 01:46:05,985 --> 01:46:12,408 to strip individuality away and just move forward. 1451 01:46:12,575 --> 01:46:16,412 He really wanted to do that and he did. 1452 01:46:16,537 --> 01:46:19,039 By doing that, 1453 01:46:19,331 --> 01:46:24,420 he tried to have his expression close 10 1454 01:46:24,545 --> 01:46:27,590 the expression of the human world. 1455 01:46:28,215 --> 01:46:32,887 And that's exactly what he did. 1456 01:46:33,137 --> 01:46:35,681 Artists can't help doing that. 1457 01:46:36,056 --> 01:46:39,768 What drives them to do so is 1458 01:46:39,977 --> 01:46:44,356 a call from something beyond themselves. 1459 01:46:44,481 --> 01:46:49,069 It's not an external call, Like the voice of God in religion, 1460 01:46:49,194 --> 01:46:52,448 - but is an internal, instinctual human impulse. 1461 01:46:53,407 --> 01:46:58,078 So, expressing it is a kind of obligation 1462 01:46:58,203 --> 01:47:00,289 for artists. 1463 01:47:01,290 --> 01:47:05,628 I think Taro had a sense of duty as artist 1464 01:47:05,753 --> 01:47:08,213 10 society. 1465 01:47:09,298 --> 01:47:13,135 So, he was not Taro Okamoto. 1466 01:47:14,428 --> 01:47:16,555 No one but someone. 1467 01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:20,643 It called to Taro, and he responded, running forward. 1468 01:47:24,772 --> 01:47:29,568 When I'm in front of the tower, I feel like I'm being asked a question, 1469 01:47:29,693 --> 01:47:36,325 and I think about what the question is, then, something new emerges. 1470 01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:39,161 That cycle goes on forever. 1471 01:47:39,453 --> 01:47:44,833 Perhaps when people 1000 years from now see this strange tower, 1472 01:47:45,668 --> 01:47:48,671 and feel like it is asking questions. 1473 01:47:48,796 --> 01:47:53,008 They may notice what they must do, or what they have missed. 1474 01:47:53,425 --> 01:47:54,802 I think 1475 01:47:54,927 --> 01:47:59,348 that is the role of the Tower of the Sun. 1476 01:51:30,601 --> 01:51:36,565 Presented by PARCO CO., LTD. SPOON I NC. Taro Okamoto Memorial Foundation NHK EDUCATIONAL CORPORATION 1477 01:52:01,924 --> 01:52:06,720 Directed by 1478 01:52:07,804 --> 01:52:13,268 -2018 “TONER OF THE SUN” Film Partners English subtitles by Ayako Kawakita and Tim Olive 115952

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