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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:55,930 I have therefore chosen this time and place 2 00:00:55,972 --> 00:01:00,226 to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds 3 00:01:00,268 --> 00:01:03,396 and the truth too rarely perceived, 4 00:01:03,438 --> 00:01:07,317 and that is the most important topic on earth, peace. 5 00:01:08,318 --> 00:01:09,736 What kind of a peace do I mean 6 00:01:09,778 --> 00:01:12,822 and what kind of a peace do we seek? 7 00:01:12,864 --> 00:01:17,577 Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world 8 00:01:17,619 --> 00:01:20,288 by American weapons of war. 9 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:21,748 Not the peace of the grave 10 00:01:22,999 --> 00:01:24,501 or the security of the slave. 11 00:01:25,668 --> 00:01:28,963 I am talking about genuine peace, 12 00:01:29,005 --> 00:01:33,093 the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living. 13 00:01:33,134 --> 00:01:36,096 The kind that enables men and nations to grow 14 00:01:36,137 --> 00:01:37,555 and to hope 15 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:40,600 and build a better life for their children, 16 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:46,397 not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women. 17 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:50,819 Not merely peace in our time, but peace in all time. 18 00:01:50,860 --> 00:01:53,571 [tranquil music playing] 19 00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:08,920 [woman] That straight, sleek look that it should have, 20 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:10,338 and very often you'll find 21 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:14,509 a zipper hidden in the, uh, arm and-- 22 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:18,012 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 23 00:02:18,054 --> 00:02:19,848 You'll excuse the fact that I'm out of breath, 24 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:22,475 but about 10 or 15 minutes ago, 25 00:02:22,517 --> 00:02:25,145 a tragic thing, from all indications at this point, 26 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:26,437 has happened in the city of Dallas. 27 00:02:27,897 --> 00:02:29,899 This is Walter Cronkite in our newsroom. 28 00:02:29,941 --> 00:02:33,236 Here's a, uh, piece of copy that was rushed to-- to me 29 00:02:33,278 --> 00:02:35,280 and was torn off from the United Press. 30 00:02:35,321 --> 00:02:36,739 President Kennedy has been shot in Dallas. 31 00:02:36,781 --> 00:02:39,242 Along with Governor Connally of Texas. 32 00:02:39,284 --> 00:02:41,452 They've been taken to Parkland Hospital there, 33 00:02:41,494 --> 00:02:44,164 where their condition is, as yet, unknown. 34 00:02:44,205 --> 00:02:46,916 [reporter 1] And just now we've received reports here at Parkland 35 00:02:46,958 --> 00:02:49,878 that Governor Connally was shot in the upper left chest, 36 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,213 and the first unconfirmed reports 37 00:02:52,255 --> 00:02:54,382 say the President was hit in the head. 38 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:55,842 That's an unconfirmed report 39 00:02:55,884 --> 00:02:57,719 that the President was hit in the head. 40 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,053 [reporter 2] Police began chasing 41 00:02:59,095 --> 00:03:02,390 an unknown gunman across the railroad tracks. 42 00:03:02,432 --> 00:03:04,350 Would you see if they need some coffee or something? 43 00:03:04,392 --> 00:03:05,643 These people are awfully shaken up. 44 00:03:05,685 --> 00:03:07,020 They were in the line of fire. 45 00:03:07,061 --> 00:03:08,688 [man] The President's car was some 50 feet 46 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:10,398 when we heard the first shot. 47 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,901 And then as the car got directly in front of us, 48 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:14,736 a gunshot from the top of the hill 49 00:03:14,777 --> 00:03:17,238 hit the President's side-- side of the temple. 50 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,865 [reporter over phone] Where did the shots come from? 51 00:03:18,907 --> 00:03:21,576 [woman over phone] The shots came from the hill. 52 00:03:21,618 --> 00:03:22,911 [reporter 3] Excuse me just a moment, John. 53 00:03:22,952 --> 00:03:24,579 Uh, there was just word from the hospital 54 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:27,373 that they have dispatched a call for a neurosurgeon. 55 00:03:27,415 --> 00:03:29,375 All we can do now is pray for him, 56 00:03:29,417 --> 00:03:31,252 and that's about all we can do. 57 00:03:34,255 --> 00:03:36,174 [reporter 4] President's wife, Jackie Kennedy, was not hurt. 58 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:39,135 She walked into the hospital. A priest has been ordered. 59 00:03:39,177 --> 00:03:40,511 Emergency supplies of blood 60 00:03:40,553 --> 00:03:42,222 also being rushed to the hospital. 61 00:03:42,263 --> 00:03:44,599 [reporter 5] Just a moment. We have a bulletin coming in. 62 00:03:44,641 --> 00:03:46,601 We'll now put you directly through Parkland Hospital 63 00:03:46,643 --> 00:03:48,937 and KBLX news director, Bill Hamdon. 64 00:03:48,978 --> 00:03:50,855 [reporter 6] Two priests, who were with 65 00:03:50,897 --> 00:03:53,149 President Kennedy, say he is dead. 66 00:03:53,191 --> 00:03:54,275 [woman gasps] 67 00:03:55,777 --> 00:03:57,946 -Just two priests announced it? -[man] Yes. 68 00:03:57,987 --> 00:03:59,614 But it's not the truth, is it? 69 00:04:04,577 --> 00:04:06,663 [Walter Cronkite] The flash, apparently official, 70 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:09,958 President Kennedy died 71 00:04:09,999 --> 00:04:12,460 at 1:00 p.m. Central Standard Time, 72 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:16,297 some 38 minutes ago. 73 00:04:19,175 --> 00:04:21,094 [boy] I just can't see why anybody would want 74 00:04:21,135 --> 00:04:24,931 to shoot Mr. Kennedy for all the things he's done for us. 75 00:04:24,973 --> 00:04:27,725 He tried to keep us from getting into war and everything. 76 00:04:27,767 --> 00:04:34,941 It's a simple matter of a bullet right through the head. 77 00:04:34,983 --> 00:04:37,151 [officer] All the information that we have received 78 00:04:37,193 --> 00:04:39,153 now indicates that it did come 79 00:04:39,195 --> 00:04:42,198 from about the fifth or fourth floor of that building. 80 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:45,285 We're checking it out now. 81 00:04:45,326 --> 00:04:46,661 10-4 now, and 112. 82 00:04:48,413 --> 00:04:50,665 We found empty rifle hulls, 83 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:54,002 and it looked like the man had been there for some time. 84 00:04:54,043 --> 00:04:57,005 [reporter 7] Police made a systematic search of the building. 85 00:04:57,046 --> 00:04:58,589 They found no weapon. 86 00:04:58,631 --> 00:04:59,841 [reporter 8] We just got the word. 87 00:04:59,882 --> 00:05:01,759 Lyndon B. Johnson has been sworn in 88 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:04,595 as the President of the United States 89 00:05:04,637 --> 00:05:09,183 just prior to a takeoff to return to Washington. 90 00:05:09,225 --> 00:05:13,688 [reporter 9] Behind the casket is Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy. 91 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:15,356 They are helping her down. 92 00:05:16,733 --> 00:05:20,361 Now, new President, Lyndon Baines Johnson. 93 00:05:20,403 --> 00:05:24,365 We have suffered a loss that cannot be weighed. 94 00:05:24,407 --> 00:05:25,992 [reporter 10] At Bethesda Naval Hospital, 95 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:28,119 the autopsy team has completed work. 96 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:30,997 Now the body of the slain President and his widow 97 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:34,125 are at last brought home to the White House. 98 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:35,960 [reporter 11] Who do you think would do something like this? 99 00:05:37,795 --> 00:05:40,590 Probably some segregationist crackpot or something. 100 00:05:40,631 --> 00:05:42,967 Just... They had it all planned out. 101 00:05:43,009 --> 00:05:45,845 I really believe that his blood will be on their hands. 102 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:50,099 [reporter 12] Here is the suspect. Can we roll it please? 103 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:51,559 [Lee Harvey Oswald] People have given me a hearing 104 00:05:51,601 --> 00:05:53,853 without legal representation or anything. 105 00:05:53,895 --> 00:05:55,938 -Did you shoot the President? -I didn't shoot anybody. 106 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:58,191 I emphatically deny these charges. 107 00:05:58,232 --> 00:06:01,069 [reporter 13] This is 24-year-old Lee H. Oswald. 108 00:06:01,110 --> 00:06:02,862 He answers the description of a young man 109 00:06:02,904 --> 00:06:05,239 sighted at the Book Depository Building. 110 00:06:05,281 --> 00:06:07,450 [reporter 14] Police chased Oswald into a movie theater. 111 00:06:07,492 --> 00:06:11,079 Police said he fired at them, killing Patrolman J.D. Tippit. 112 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,915 A rifle was found in a building where he worked. 113 00:06:13,956 --> 00:06:15,917 [reporter 15] Police refused to say whether they have 114 00:06:15,958 --> 00:06:18,211 any fingerprints from that weapon as yet. 115 00:06:18,252 --> 00:06:21,714 The man obviously was an excellent shot or very lucky, 116 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:24,509 in that witnesses said three shots were fired, 117 00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:26,552 at least two of them found their marks. 118 00:06:26,594 --> 00:06:27,929 [reporter 16] At the Capitol Rotunda, 119 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:30,390 there will be three short speeches 120 00:06:30,431 --> 00:06:33,267 before the public is allowed to start viewing the body. 121 00:06:33,309 --> 00:06:36,354 Chief, do you have any concern for the safety of your prisoner? 122 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:38,106 [officer] No, but because necessary 123 00:06:38,147 --> 00:06:39,899 precautions will be taken, of course. 124 00:06:39,941 --> 00:06:41,359 [reporter 17] Is there any doubt in your mind, Chief, 125 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,152 that Oswald is the man who killed the President? 126 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:44,904 [officer] I think this is the man who killed the President. 127 00:06:44,946 --> 00:06:46,989 I'm just a patsy. 128 00:06:47,031 --> 00:06:49,742 [reporter 18] So great is the crush outside the Capitol, 129 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:53,287 that people who have not been in line can't possibly. 130 00:06:53,329 --> 00:06:54,747 We are now switching to Dallas 131 00:06:54,789 --> 00:06:57,375 where they are about to move Lee Oswald and whether-- 132 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:58,418 [gunshot] 133 00:06:58,459 --> 00:07:00,128 [reporter 19] He's been shot. 134 00:07:00,169 --> 00:07:02,463 [indistinct] 135 00:07:02,505 --> 00:07:03,923 [reporter 20] There's a man with a gun. 136 00:07:03,965 --> 00:07:05,883 [Cronkite] Lee Harvey Oswald, 137 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:09,387 the man who Dallas police say killed President Kennedy, 138 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:11,055 himself is dead. 139 00:07:11,097 --> 00:07:14,142 The man Dallas police seized at the scene, 140 00:07:14,183 --> 00:07:17,437 and are holding, has been identified as Jack Ruby. 141 00:07:17,478 --> 00:07:21,482 He is being held by the Dallas police. Now, back to Washington. 142 00:07:23,109 --> 00:07:24,652 [reporter 21] Fifty-three countries 143 00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:27,155 are represented in all today. 144 00:07:27,196 --> 00:07:30,658 There are a dozen members of ruling royal families, 145 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:33,494 30 foreign ministers. 146 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:36,164 [reporter 22] Things should be all right in the few months ahead. 147 00:07:36,205 --> 00:07:38,583 [Dwight D. Eisenhower] I'm sure the, uh, 148 00:07:38,624 --> 00:07:40,918 entire citizenry of the nation 149 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,506 will stand faithfully behind the government. 150 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:49,719 This bizarre sequence of double killings raise great questions. 151 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,597 Who actually fired the shots that killed Kennedy? 152 00:07:52,638 --> 00:07:54,515 Was there a conspiracy? 153 00:07:54,557 --> 00:07:58,644 The first wound described is a wound in the back of the head 154 00:07:58,686 --> 00:08:00,980 and would seem to indicate a shot from behind. 155 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:02,690 But the doctors also said there was 156 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:04,400 a wound in the throat at the front, 157 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:07,028 which seemed to indicate a shot from the other direction. 158 00:08:07,069 --> 00:08:08,988 [Cronkite] The new President, Lyndon Johnson, 159 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:11,115 appointed a commission of seven prominent Americans 160 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:13,451 to investigate the whole affair. 161 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:16,287 Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States. 162 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:19,040 Richard B. Russell, senator from Georgia. 163 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:21,959 John Sherman Cooper, senator from Kentucky. 164 00:08:22,001 --> 00:08:25,004 Hale Boggs, representative from Louisiana. 165 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:28,049 Gerald R. Ford, representative from Michigan. 166 00:08:28,090 --> 00:08:30,885 John J. McCloy, presidential adviser. 167 00:08:30,927 --> 00:08:34,555 Allen W. Dulles, ex-head of the CIA. 168 00:08:34,597 --> 00:08:37,350 Are you convinced that he was shot from the School Book Depository? 169 00:08:37,391 --> 00:08:40,102 Well, I think we better leave all that, you know. 170 00:08:40,144 --> 00:08:43,564 The evidence report will cover all-- all of that. 171 00:09:00,623 --> 00:09:03,292 [reporter 23] The Warren Commission makes these major findings. 172 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:06,045 Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President Kennedy. 173 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:07,797 He did it alone. 174 00:09:07,838 --> 00:09:09,507 He was not a part of any conspiracy, 175 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:10,967 either domestic or foreign. 176 00:09:11,008 --> 00:09:12,343 [reporter 24] Some other details 177 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:14,637 will be of interest mainly to historians 178 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,347 and others having some special interest. 179 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:18,766 [reporter 25] But there was one further piece of evidence 180 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:20,893 that the public cannot see. 181 00:09:20,935 --> 00:09:24,063 Abraham Zapruder's film of the actual assassination. 182 00:09:24,105 --> 00:09:26,732 This murder now is the most thoroughly 183 00:09:26,774 --> 00:09:28,943 documented crime in American history. 184 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:30,945 And for those who care to pursue it 185 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:33,614 down to the last detail, it's all there. 186 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:48,629 [Oliver Stone] This is Dealey Plaza. 187 00:09:48,671 --> 00:09:52,174 To this day, it remains a crime scene. 188 00:09:52,216 --> 00:09:54,760 In the years since the Warren Report, 189 00:09:54,802 --> 00:09:57,138 many significant re-investigations were made 190 00:09:57,179 --> 00:09:59,557 into the murder of President Kennedy. 191 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:03,561 Each one revealed new facts and evidence 192 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:06,897 that shed more light on what really happened here that day. 193 00:10:09,066 --> 00:10:12,612 Starting in 1975, after the Watergate scandal, 194 00:10:12,653 --> 00:10:15,323 Senator Frank Church conducted an investigation 195 00:10:15,364 --> 00:10:19,493 into the abuses and crimes of the FBI and CIA. 196 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:22,663 During that time, the public learned of the CIA plots 197 00:10:22,705 --> 00:10:24,457 to assassinate foreign leaders 198 00:10:24,498 --> 00:10:27,335 like Patrice Lumumba of the Republic of Congo 199 00:10:27,376 --> 00:10:30,129 and Fidel Castro of Cuba. 200 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:34,091 Plots orchestrated under Director Allen Dulles. 201 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:36,344 But the Church committee didn't stop there. 202 00:10:36,385 --> 00:10:39,138 Senators Richard Schweiker and Gary Hart 203 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,683 were tasked to reexamine the roles of the CIA and FBI 204 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:46,520 as the chief investigators for the Warren Commission, 205 00:10:46,562 --> 00:10:49,607 and look for signs of conflicts or cover-ups. 206 00:10:50,566 --> 00:10:52,026 J. Edgar Hoover writes, 207 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:54,362 "Yes, we did have a relationship with Mr. Ruby 208 00:10:54,403 --> 00:10:57,031 and he acted as our informant." 209 00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:59,950 Now, who said that at the time of the Warren Commission report? 210 00:10:59,992 --> 00:11:03,829 Did anybody ever imply that-- that Jack Ruby 211 00:11:03,871 --> 00:11:06,457 was a confidential informant for the FBI? 212 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:09,960 Nobody breathed that. That was classified. 213 00:11:10,002 --> 00:11:12,171 [Stone] Faith in what the American public was told 214 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:15,383 by the Warren Commission was starting to unravel. 215 00:11:15,424 --> 00:11:18,386 The intelligence agencies did all the wrong things 216 00:11:18,427 --> 00:11:21,055 if they really were looking for conspiracy 217 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:23,391 or to find out who killed John Kennedy. 218 00:11:23,432 --> 00:11:27,103 [Stone] The search for real answers gained momentum. 219 00:11:27,144 --> 00:11:29,397 Then, 12 years after the assassination, 220 00:11:29,438 --> 00:11:32,358 the most iconic piece of evidence was leaked 221 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,610 and finally shown to the public. 222 00:11:34,652 --> 00:11:36,696 It's the film shot by the Dallas 223 00:11:36,737 --> 00:11:40,157 dress manufacturer, Abraham Zapruder. 224 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:43,536 And it's the execution of President Kennedy, 225 00:11:43,577 --> 00:11:45,329 and, uh, Bob and Dick, 226 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:46,831 would you please narrate 227 00:11:46,872 --> 00:11:48,999 what we're seeing as we show this film? 228 00:11:49,041 --> 00:11:50,710 [Robert Groden] Now, before he goes behind the sign, 229 00:11:50,751 --> 00:11:52,420 the President is waving to the crowd. 230 00:11:52,461 --> 00:11:54,171 When he comes out from behind the sign, he is shot. 231 00:11:54,213 --> 00:11:55,881 Then Governor Connally is shot. 232 00:11:55,923 --> 00:11:57,091 [Geraldo Rivera] He's already been hit. 233 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:58,509 [Groden] He's already been hit. 234 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:00,261 [Rivera] And now? 235 00:12:00,302 --> 00:12:02,930 [Groden] At the bottom of the screen, the head shot. 236 00:12:02,972 --> 00:12:05,433 [Rivera] That's the shot that blew off his head. 237 00:12:05,474 --> 00:12:07,685 That's the most upsetting thing I've ever seen. 238 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:08,936 We'll talk about it in a minute. 239 00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:10,938 [Stone] Seeing the shock and brutality 240 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:13,274 of the actual assassination 241 00:12:13,315 --> 00:12:14,775 caused a public outcry. 242 00:12:14,817 --> 00:12:16,444 The government formed 243 00:12:16,485 --> 00:12:21,741 the House Select Committee on Assassinations, the HSCA. 244 00:12:21,782 --> 00:12:23,993 The committee will come to order. 245 00:12:24,034 --> 00:12:26,579 [Stone] The HSCA re-interviewed witnesses 246 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:28,122 and took new testimonies 247 00:12:28,164 --> 00:12:29,957 that exposed massive inconsistencies 248 00:12:29,999 --> 00:12:32,251 with the original Warren Report. 249 00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:34,628 Has any other scientist to date 250 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:39,633 linked the so-called pristine bullet to the injuries? 251 00:12:39,675 --> 00:12:41,469 Not that I'm aware of. No. 252 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:47,725 The Pentagon has destroyed its Kennedy assassination file, 253 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:50,978 and we don't know why that was done. 254 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:52,980 [Stone] But at the end of that investigation, 255 00:12:53,022 --> 00:12:55,775 what the HSCA learned was considered 256 00:12:55,816 --> 00:12:58,152 too damaging to be made public. 257 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:00,446 And close to a half-million records 258 00:13:00,488 --> 00:13:03,991 were to remain sealed until 2029, 259 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:06,494 a fact that we made clear 260 00:13:06,535 --> 00:13:09,330 at the conclusion to our 1991 film, JFK. 261 00:13:10,831 --> 00:13:12,416 The media controversy that accompanied 262 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:15,336 the film forced Congress to do something about 263 00:13:15,377 --> 00:13:19,465 the secrecy that still surrounded these classified files. 264 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:21,759 Hearings were held on Capitol Hill. 265 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,260 Most Americans did not 266 00:13:23,302 --> 00:13:25,221 believe or support the verdict 267 00:13:25,262 --> 00:13:27,640 of the Warren Commission initially. 268 00:13:27,681 --> 00:13:30,392 And now more than three in four, 269 00:13:30,434 --> 00:13:33,479 according to all recent samplings of public opinion, 270 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:36,941 think some conspiracy was involved. 271 00:13:36,982 --> 00:13:39,151 And in 1992, the John F. Kennedy 272 00:13:39,193 --> 00:13:41,862 Records Collection Act was passed. 273 00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:43,239 Clerk will report the title. 274 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,074 Senate 3006, an act to provide 275 00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:47,243 for the expeditious disclosure of records 276 00:13:47,284 --> 00:13:50,287 relevant to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. 277 00:13:50,329 --> 00:13:52,122 [Stone] This act provided funding 278 00:13:52,164 --> 00:13:55,251 and formed the Assassination Records Review Board, 279 00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:57,336 the ARRB. 280 00:13:57,378 --> 00:14:00,714 The public wasn't going to have to wait until 2029. 281 00:14:00,756 --> 00:14:03,884 Declassification was to begin now. 282 00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:05,511 The board was given a budget 283 00:14:05,553 --> 00:14:07,847 and timeline of four years to declassify 284 00:14:07,888 --> 00:14:10,015 and make public as many documents 285 00:14:10,057 --> 00:14:12,685 and records as possible. 286 00:14:12,726 --> 00:14:15,062 They managed to collect over two million pages 287 00:14:15,104 --> 00:14:18,524 of declassified records and artifacts. 288 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:22,069 They are all housed at the National Archives in Maryland, 289 00:14:22,111 --> 00:14:24,238 and since then, the public has been free 290 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,242 to view, study, and investigate. 291 00:14:28,284 --> 00:14:30,911 There is now so much more that we know, 292 00:14:30,953 --> 00:14:33,080 and with those facts in hand, 293 00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:35,291 we will go back and piece together 294 00:14:35,332 --> 00:14:37,167 what really happened that day, 295 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:40,254 and discover the reasons why. 296 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,090 Let's begin. 297 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,343 [reporter] Something has happened in the motorcade. 298 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:47,428 Standby, please. 299 00:14:47,469 --> 00:14:48,971 [Whoopi Goldberg] The JFK case 300 00:14:49,013 --> 00:14:51,390 was such a mass of confusion. 301 00:14:51,432 --> 00:14:53,809 For example, the Warren Commission 302 00:14:53,851 --> 00:14:56,729 was limited to only three shots, 303 00:14:56,770 --> 00:15:00,024 because three shells were found on the sixth floor 304 00:15:00,065 --> 00:15:02,151 of the School Book Depository. 305 00:15:02,192 --> 00:15:04,320 [J. Edgar Hoover] On that floor, 306 00:15:04,361 --> 00:15:06,947 we found the three empty shells that had been fired, 307 00:15:06,989 --> 00:15:08,908 but they had characteristics on them 308 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:10,868 so that our ballistics expert 309 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:14,038 was able to prove that they were fired by this gun. 310 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:15,456 [Lyndon Johnson] Any of them fired at me? 311 00:15:15,497 --> 00:15:16,957 [Hoover] No, there was never any... 312 00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:18,626 [Johnson] All three at the President? 313 00:15:18,667 --> 00:15:21,045 [Hoover] All three at the President, and we have them. 314 00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:22,463 [Goldberg] The FBI concluded that 315 00:15:22,504 --> 00:15:24,381 all three bullets struck inside the car. 316 00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:26,383 [Hoover] He was hit by the first and the third. 317 00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:28,218 The second shot hit the governor. 318 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:29,929 The third shot tore a large part 319 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:32,723 of the President's head off. 320 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,768 The Warren Commission put itself in a straitjacket. 321 00:15:35,809 --> 00:15:39,063 They could not possibly allow more than three shots, 322 00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:41,023 because four shots or more 323 00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:43,067 would have clearly indicated conspiracy. 324 00:15:43,108 --> 00:15:44,860 And they were not going there. 325 00:15:44,902 --> 00:15:46,987 [James Tague speaking] 326 00:15:53,202 --> 00:15:54,370 scratched my face 327 00:15:54,745 --> 00:15:56,914 [Goldberg] Records show the first shot 328 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,249 had missed its target completely, 329 00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:02,461 and the final shot hit Kennedy in the head. 330 00:16:02,503 --> 00:16:06,298 So, how does one account for one bullet hitting two victims, 331 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:08,717 and doing all this damage? 332 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:11,595 Arlen Specter was a Yale Law School graduate 333 00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:14,682 working in the Philadelphia district attorney's office, 334 00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:18,018 when he was asked to serve on the Warren Commission. 335 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:22,189 Aha! What if one bullet made all seven wounds? 336 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:23,857 Arlen Specter, he is the one 337 00:16:23,899 --> 00:16:26,276 that gave birth to the single-bullet theory. 338 00:16:26,318 --> 00:16:28,696 What if one bullet went into Kennedy's back 339 00:16:28,737 --> 00:16:31,365 and came out his neck, 340 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:34,535 and then went into Connally's back, piercing the lung, 341 00:16:34,576 --> 00:16:37,121 destroying four inches of the right fifth rib, 342 00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:39,164 exiting from the front of his chest, 343 00:16:39,206 --> 00:16:40,749 going into the back of the wrist, 344 00:16:40,791 --> 00:16:42,793 shattering the distal end of the radius. 345 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:44,378 In a 6-foot-4 guy like Connally, 346 00:16:44,420 --> 00:16:46,964 that's a big heavy bone comminuted fracture. 347 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:48,716 Exits from the front of the wrist, 348 00:16:48,757 --> 00:16:50,926 goes into his left thigh. 349 00:16:50,968 --> 00:16:53,262 Whatever you want, whatever you need, 350 00:16:53,303 --> 00:16:56,265 this bullet happily and readily obliges you. 351 00:16:56,306 --> 00:16:58,392 It is indeed a magic bullet. 352 00:16:59,727 --> 00:17:02,646 CE-399 was the magic bullet, 353 00:17:02,688 --> 00:17:05,691 and all government investigations so far 354 00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:08,277 have treated that bullet 355 00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:11,280 as absolutely foundational to this case. 356 00:17:11,321 --> 00:17:12,990 How important is chain of custody 357 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:15,075 in a legal proceeding? 358 00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:16,994 Chain of custody basically refers to 359 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:18,537 the integrity of evidence. 360 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:20,581 If I, uh, pick up a piece of evidence 361 00:17:20,622 --> 00:17:22,916 and I transfer it to somebody else 362 00:17:22,958 --> 00:17:24,710 for holding or processing, 363 00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:27,212 my name is the first name on this list. 364 00:17:27,254 --> 00:17:28,756 The second person who touches this 365 00:17:28,797 --> 00:17:30,674 and takes possession of it is next. 366 00:17:30,716 --> 00:17:33,427 And if you don't do that, there's no way to prove 367 00:17:33,469 --> 00:17:35,387 that the evidence you collected on day one 368 00:17:35,429 --> 00:17:38,265 is the same one you get on day 25 when you go to court. 369 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:40,017 Can you walk us through 370 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:42,519 the magic bullet's chain of custody 371 00:17:42,561 --> 00:17:47,733 from the Parkland employees to the Secret Service to the FBI? 372 00:17:47,775 --> 00:17:50,986 Well, the magic bullet was supposedly found on a stretcher 373 00:17:51,028 --> 00:17:52,446 at Parkland Hospital, 374 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:54,490 and went through several hands 375 00:17:54,531 --> 00:17:57,743 before it got to the Secret Service. 376 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:00,579 Richard Johnsen was the first Secret Service agent 377 00:18:00,621 --> 00:18:04,416 to handle it, and he carried it back to Washington, D.C. 378 00:18:04,458 --> 00:18:06,877 When he got back to Washington, D.C., 379 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:09,171 he gave it to the chief of the Secret Service, 380 00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:11,173 who was James Rowley. 381 00:18:12,716 --> 00:18:15,260 And at the White House, James Rowley 382 00:18:15,302 --> 00:18:18,430 gave it to Elmer Lee Todd, 383 00:18:18,472 --> 00:18:20,390 and Todd then took it to the FBI lab 384 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:23,477 and gave it to Robert Frazier. 385 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:27,481 We have interesting information produced by John Hunt, 386 00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:29,900 a private citizen who went to the archives 387 00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:31,777 on four or five occasions 388 00:18:31,819 --> 00:18:35,489 to track down the story about the magic bullet, 389 00:18:35,531 --> 00:18:37,950 and what he found was truly astounding. 390 00:18:37,991 --> 00:18:40,327 He practically moved into 391 00:18:40,369 --> 00:18:42,913 the National Archives in Washington, D.C. 392 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,040 They allowed him to set up a desk 393 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:48,252 with a computer and his own scanner. 394 00:18:48,293 --> 00:18:51,630 And he also, uh, did something different. 395 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:55,050 He didn't interview policemen and FBI people, 396 00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:58,053 and he wasn't swayed by their excuses. 397 00:18:58,095 --> 00:18:59,847 He went straight to, 398 00:18:59,888 --> 00:19:03,642 "This is what you told and you signed your name." 399 00:19:03,684 --> 00:19:05,477 [Goldberg] Working with the FBI 400 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:07,271 and Warren Commission documents, 401 00:19:07,312 --> 00:19:10,399 John Hunt asked the most basic question. 402 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,819 "Was CE-399 in evidence 403 00:19:13,861 --> 00:19:17,072 the same bullet that was found on the stretcher?" 404 00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,200 At 7:30 at night, 405 00:19:20,242 --> 00:19:22,035 this is the day of the assassination, 406 00:19:22,077 --> 00:19:24,496 November 22nd, 1963, 407 00:19:24,538 --> 00:19:27,457 a bullet appears in the record, 408 00:19:27,499 --> 00:19:31,461 and it's signed for by Robert Frazier, 409 00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:34,423 who is the main investigator at the FBI lab. 410 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,551 And it's not just one document. 411 00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:39,970 There are multiple documents that indicate 412 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:45,684 that Frazier signed for a bullet at 7:30 that night. 413 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:48,020 Now, here's where things get interesting. 414 00:19:48,061 --> 00:19:51,940 Elmer Lee Todd received the bullet at the White House 415 00:19:51,982 --> 00:19:56,820 from chief of the Secret Service, James Rowley. 416 00:19:56,862 --> 00:20:01,116 And Todd documents, very clearly in writing, 417 00:20:01,158 --> 00:20:05,787 that he got this bullet at 8:50 p.m. 418 00:20:05,829 --> 00:20:06,997 How is that possible? 419 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:09,458 How can Robert Frazier receive the bullet 420 00:20:09,499 --> 00:20:13,462 in the lab at 7:30 from Elmer Lee Todd, 421 00:20:13,503 --> 00:20:16,715 when Todd didn't get the bullet until 8:50? 422 00:20:16,757 --> 00:20:20,552 You would think that they would have handled it, uh, you know, 423 00:20:20,594 --> 00:20:22,930 like it would have been gold going to the bank. 424 00:20:22,971 --> 00:20:24,640 There it is in the record, 425 00:20:24,681 --> 00:20:28,143 someone is lying about when they got the bullet. 426 00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:29,186 [David Mantik] It gets worse, though. 427 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:30,938 Todd initialed that bullet, 428 00:20:30,979 --> 00:20:35,234 the one that he got at 8:50, 429 00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:37,486 and everyone else who touched the bullet 430 00:20:37,527 --> 00:20:39,529 after that initialed it too, 431 00:20:39,571 --> 00:20:40,948 including Robert Frazier. 432 00:20:40,989 --> 00:20:43,575 I went to the archives to look at this bullet. 433 00:20:43,617 --> 00:20:45,911 And specifically, what we want to know is, 434 00:20:45,953 --> 00:20:49,081 do we see Todd's initials on this bullet? 435 00:20:49,122 --> 00:20:51,416 He said he initialed the bullet. 436 00:20:51,458 --> 00:20:53,627 It is not there. 437 00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:56,797 Todd's initials are not on the magic bullet. 438 00:20:58,632 --> 00:21:01,301 I was very interested in finding out what the Review Board 439 00:21:01,343 --> 00:21:02,886 would show us about this. 440 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:05,973 So, we began scouring their evidence, 441 00:21:06,014 --> 00:21:08,141 and we found out something very interesting. 442 00:21:08,183 --> 00:21:10,060 We found out that the Warren Report 443 00:21:10,102 --> 00:21:11,812 had from an FBI report 444 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:13,689 saying that the guys that found the bullet 445 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:16,024 later identified that as the bullet they'd seen. 446 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:17,776 The internal record didn't show that at all. 447 00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:19,653 The internal records said this bullet 448 00:21:19,695 --> 00:21:21,488 didn't look like that bullet at all. 449 00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:23,949 But the FBI had reported to the Warren Commission that it did. 450 00:21:23,991 --> 00:21:24,866 They'd lied. 451 00:21:24,908 --> 00:21:26,660 We then talk to the FBI agent 452 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:28,787 that was supposed to have carried that bullet around. 453 00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:30,497 His name was Bardwell Odum. 454 00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:32,499 I got Bardwell Odum on the phone. 455 00:21:32,541 --> 00:21:35,544 I sent him the documents that said that he had done this. 456 00:21:35,585 --> 00:21:37,337 He said, "I never had that bullet. 457 00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:39,006 I never showed any bullet to anyone. 458 00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:40,966 "If I'd had the bullet, there'd be a 302. 459 00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:42,884 "I would have filed a report, particularly in that area. 460 00:21:42,926 --> 00:21:45,470 Everybody was very uptight about getting everything right." 461 00:21:45,512 --> 00:21:47,597 So, we scoured for 302 reports. 462 00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:49,516 His name appears nowhere in the record. 463 00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:51,476 This is just something that the FBI invented. 464 00:21:51,518 --> 00:21:54,354 It's conceivable that some mysterious bullet 465 00:21:54,396 --> 00:21:55,897 showed up from who knows where. 466 00:21:57,024 --> 00:21:58,650 Todd did not initial it, 467 00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:02,779 and it ended up in the FBI lab as the magic bullet. 468 00:22:02,821 --> 00:22:05,949 One can only surmise that, somewhere in the FBI, 469 00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:08,702 they realized they had to close the loop on Oswald's guilt. 470 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:10,495 And so they just switched it out. 471 00:22:10,537 --> 00:22:13,540 Because none of the four people, 472 00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:15,375 either the guys at Parkland, 473 00:22:15,417 --> 00:22:16,543 or the two Secret Service agents, 474 00:22:16,585 --> 00:22:18,170 could identify the bullet. 475 00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:20,047 The guy who is supposed to have gotten confirmation that 476 00:22:20,088 --> 00:22:23,342 they did identify the bullet said he never did it. 477 00:22:23,383 --> 00:22:24,843 And the record supports that. 478 00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:27,054 So, there's-- there's good reason to be 479 00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:29,765 very suspicious about the magic bullet. 480 00:22:29,806 --> 00:22:35,187 The chain of custody doesn't start from the laboratory. 481 00:22:35,228 --> 00:22:37,856 It starts from the crime scene. 482 00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,525 Each piece of evidence should be photographed, 483 00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:44,738 documented, and preserved properly. 484 00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:47,657 From the scene, 485 00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:51,328 evidence is collected, sent to the laboratory. 486 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,164 We have to keep the chain of custody 487 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,499 when they enter the lab. 488 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:56,958 Who examined? 489 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,712 Who did the further analysis? 490 00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:04,508 And each step have to maintain 491 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:07,052 until you submit to the court. 492 00:23:07,094 --> 00:23:08,678 If this chain broke, 493 00:23:09,971 --> 00:23:12,974 then my evidence becomes inadmissible. 494 00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:16,395 [Goldberg] The other problem 495 00:23:16,436 --> 00:23:18,271 is the lack of damage to the bullet 496 00:23:18,313 --> 00:23:22,067 after going through two men, smashing two bones, 497 00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:24,069 and making seven wounds. 498 00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:25,946 Dr. Joseph Dolce 499 00:23:25,987 --> 00:23:30,158 was a much-honored battlefield surgeon during World War II. 500 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,452 He worked for the Warren Commission. 501 00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:36,706 And so they gave us the original rifle, the Mannlicher-Carcano, 502 00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:40,585 plus 100 bullets, 6.5 millimeters. 503 00:23:40,627 --> 00:23:44,005 And we went and we shot the cadaver wrists, 504 00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:46,842 and in every instance, 505 00:23:46,883 --> 00:23:50,679 the front or the tip of the bullet was smashed. 506 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,722 Under no circumstances, 507 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,267 do I feel that this bullet could hit the wrist, 508 00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:56,810 and still not be deformed. 509 00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:58,603 [Goldberg] Dolce came to believe 510 00:23:58,645 --> 00:24:01,314 that two bullets had struck Connally. 511 00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:03,650 Since Arlen Specter pre-screened 512 00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:05,777 the medical witnesses for the commission, 513 00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:08,613 Dolce's name is not in the Warren Report, 514 00:24:08,655 --> 00:24:11,825 and his testimony is not in the volumes. 515 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:14,327 And even Connally refused to accept 516 00:24:14,369 --> 00:24:15,996 the single-bullet theory. 517 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,293 [reporter] Former Senator John Sherman Cooper 518 00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:23,462 is the first member of the Warren Commission 519 00:24:23,503 --> 00:24:25,338 to agree to talk on television 520 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:28,800 about what went on inside the deliberations. 521 00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:30,677 Yes, there were disagreements. 522 00:24:30,719 --> 00:24:33,388 I think the most serious one 523 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:36,892 that comes to me the most vividly, 524 00:24:36,933 --> 00:24:40,687 of course, is the question of whether or not the first shot 525 00:24:40,729 --> 00:24:42,606 went through President Kennedy 526 00:24:42,647 --> 00:24:45,025 and then through Governor Connally. 527 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:46,693 [Goldberg] Although it never specified 528 00:24:46,735 --> 00:24:48,862 the order of the shots, 529 00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:51,698 the Warren Report had one bullet 530 00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:54,451 going through Kennedy and Governor Connally, 531 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:56,161 another missing the car, 532 00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:59,831 hitting a bystander on Commerce Street, James Tague, 533 00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:02,667 and the final shot hitting Kennedy in the head. 534 00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:05,921 I could not convince myself 535 00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:09,216 that the same bullet struck both of them, although... 536 00:25:09,257 --> 00:25:12,385 [reporter] You mean that you yourself didn't-- 537 00:25:12,427 --> 00:25:14,304 Weren't convinced about the single-bullet theory, which... 538 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:16,973 No, I wasn't convinced by it. Neither was Senator Russell. 539 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:19,059 [Goldberg] Senator Richard Russell of Georgia 540 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,895 did not want to serve on the commission. 541 00:25:21,937 --> 00:25:24,022 After he attended the first meeting, 542 00:25:24,064 --> 00:25:27,192 he quickly became disenchanted with the proceedings. 543 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:30,237 Particularly the roles of J. Edgar Hoover 544 00:25:30,278 --> 00:25:34,157 and acting attorney general Nicholas Katzenbach. 545 00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:37,285 His personal papers at the University of Georgia Library 546 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:38,912 contain a memo 547 00:25:38,954 --> 00:25:42,749 written after the initial December 5th, 1963, 548 00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:44,834 executive session. 549 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:47,254 "Something strange is happening. 550 00:25:47,295 --> 00:25:50,382 "Warren and Katzenbach know all about the FBI 551 00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:53,343 "and are apparently planning to show Oswald 552 00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:55,512 "as the only one considered. 553 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:59,474 This to me is an untenable position." 554 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:02,602 His papers revealed that he wrote a dissenting opinion 555 00:26:02,644 --> 00:26:04,854 for the presentation at the final 556 00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:07,691 commission meeting of September 18th. 557 00:26:07,732 --> 00:26:10,360 On that day, he shared his concerns 558 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:11,945 with President Johnson. 559 00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:54,446 [Goldberg] He also thought that Oswald did not act alone. 560 00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:57,407 Russell was strongly influenced by the Zapruder film 561 00:26:57,449 --> 00:27:00,410 and by the testimony of Governor Connally. 562 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,203 I understand there's some, uh, 563 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,623 some question in the minds of the experts 564 00:27:04,664 --> 00:27:06,791 about, uh, whether or not 565 00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:09,294 we could both have been hit by the same bullet, 566 00:27:09,336 --> 00:27:10,837 and that was the first bullet. 567 00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:13,548 Uh, I just don't happen to believe that. 568 00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:15,508 I don't believe that I will believe it. 569 00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:17,385 [Goldberg] This forced the other commissioners 570 00:27:17,427 --> 00:27:20,180 to include Connally's dissent in the report. 571 00:27:20,221 --> 00:27:23,600 And as a result, they could not absolutely deny 572 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:27,145 the possibility of a conspiracy. 573 00:27:27,187 --> 00:27:29,147 Russell became the first commissioner 574 00:27:29,189 --> 00:27:32,150 to criticize the Warren Report in public. 575 00:27:32,192 --> 00:27:34,027 He was followed by commission members 576 00:27:34,069 --> 00:27:38,198 John Sherman Cooper and Hale Boggs. 577 00:27:38,239 --> 00:27:41,618 But then Walter Cronkite interviewed John McCloy 578 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:45,705 during a four-night special, co-hosted by Dan Rather. 579 00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:48,500 Are you satisfied that as much effort 580 00:27:48,541 --> 00:27:53,046 was put into challenging that case as into establishing it? 581 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:54,297 I'll answer that in just a moment. 582 00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:56,257 If I may just say one thing, I would-- 583 00:27:56,299 --> 00:27:57,467 I'd like to say in the first place, 584 00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:59,052 I had some questions 585 00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:01,262 as to the propriety of my appearing here 586 00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:03,431 as a former member of the commission 587 00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:05,684 to comment on the evidence of the commission. 588 00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:09,187 [Goldberg] McCloy never answered Cronkite's question. 589 00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:12,691 But even worse, CBS employee Roger Feinman 590 00:28:12,732 --> 00:28:15,068 later discovered internal documents 591 00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:17,195 showing McCoy consulted extensively 592 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:19,739 on the series through his daughter, Ellen, 593 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:24,577 an administrative assistant to CBS President Richard Salant. 594 00:28:24,619 --> 00:28:28,081 In 1992, reporter Jerry Policoff 595 00:28:28,123 --> 00:28:31,167 confronted Salant and Ellen McCoy 596 00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:34,546 with the documents revealing John McCloy's instructions 597 00:28:34,587 --> 00:28:36,631 for the content of the show. 598 00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:40,677 Only then did Salant admit to their concealment. 599 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:43,430 CBS, NBC, and The New York Times 600 00:28:43,471 --> 00:28:46,349 continued to support the commission's finding 601 00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:48,143 and never publicly reviewed 602 00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:52,605 the 26 volumes of supplemental evidence. 603 00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:55,400 Mr. Dulles, let me put some of the criticisms to you. 604 00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:56,776 Surely. 605 00:28:56,818 --> 00:28:58,653 Some of the papers and some of the documents 606 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:01,197 that are in the archives are-- are there 607 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,701 but are withheld from public view by the FBI, the CIA, 608 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:07,412 an organization with which you have some experience. 609 00:29:07,454 --> 00:29:10,248 Is there anything in those which years from now 610 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,500 when they may be released will upset applecarts? 611 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:14,002 Oh, no, I don't think so. 612 00:29:14,043 --> 00:29:17,046 No, I think everything that really is-- is vital 613 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:19,090 insofar as forming a judgment as to what 614 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:21,926 really happened has been made available. 615 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:27,682 [Goldberg] The Warren Commission was aware of something else 616 00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:29,350 that was wrong with their evidence. 617 00:29:29,392 --> 00:29:32,479 All kinds of ballistic tests show that the bullets, in fact, 618 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,981 came from that rifle. That was his rifle. 619 00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:36,983 You took a picture of him with it. 620 00:29:37,025 --> 00:29:38,777 -No, no. -His home prints and fingerprints 621 00:29:38,818 --> 00:29:40,987 are all over the School Book Depository. 622 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:42,739 [Marina Porter] You have been misinformed. 623 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:47,243 The ballistics tests did not prove anything at all. 624 00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:49,370 [reporter] This is the weapon that was used. 625 00:29:49,412 --> 00:29:53,124 A rather well-worn military rifle. 626 00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:57,754 We know that Oswald had possession of that rifle 627 00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,464 because we have him photographed with it. 628 00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:03,426 And we have his wife saying that it was, quote, 629 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:05,845 "Faithful rifle of Lee Oswald." 630 00:30:07,222 --> 00:30:09,390 [Stone] Is the rifle in evidence today 631 00:30:09,432 --> 00:30:11,059 the same rifle the commission said 632 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,019 Oswald ordered through the mail? 633 00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:15,188 The rifle that Lee Oswald 634 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:18,858 allegedly ordered under an alias of Alex Hidell, 635 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,444 was obtained through Klein's Sporting Goods store in Chicago. 636 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:25,198 it was a mail-order, got it out of American Rifleman magazine. 637 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,492 He wrote on the coupon he wanted 638 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,869 a 36-inch model, Mannlicher-Carcano, 639 00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:34,165 6.5 millimeter, for $19.95. 640 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:36,417 Robert Frazier was one of the examiners 641 00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:38,545 and he was a firearms expert for the FBI. 642 00:30:38,586 --> 00:30:40,964 And he testified that he did measure it, 643 00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:41,965 and the measurement 644 00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:44,050 was 40.2 inches in length, 645 00:30:44,092 --> 00:30:45,718 from barrel to stock. 646 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,221 There's a 4.2-inch difference in the one he ordered, 647 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:51,391 versus what they found in the Book Depository. 648 00:30:51,432 --> 00:30:54,060 [Goldberg] Klein's may have indeed delivered 649 00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:57,397 a different Mannlicher-Carcano model to Oswald, 650 00:30:57,438 --> 00:31:00,650 but there are other anomalies to the story. 651 00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:02,861 The model that Oswald ordered 652 00:31:02,902 --> 00:31:05,238 showed these strap attachment points 653 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,740 on the bottom of the barrel and stock. 654 00:31:07,782 --> 00:31:10,076 [Brian Edwards] In the photograph is Lieutenant Carl Day, 655 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:11,411 with the Dallas Police Department 656 00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:13,913 bringing a rifle out of the Book Depository. 657 00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:17,375 One of the straps at the back of the gun is on the left side 658 00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:20,420 of the stock embedded in the stock. 659 00:31:20,461 --> 00:31:22,463 That's clearly not the rifle that was ordered, 660 00:31:22,505 --> 00:31:25,633 or at least appears in the Klein's Sporting Goods store. 661 00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:28,720 [Goldberg] The straps shown in the so-called backyard photos 662 00:31:28,761 --> 00:31:32,765 are on the bottom and not on the side of the stock. 663 00:31:32,807 --> 00:31:37,020 Marina Oswald took backyard photographs of Lee Oswald 664 00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:40,273 holding a rifle and a pistol on his hip. 665 00:31:40,315 --> 00:31:43,860 And in that first photograph, that she took three of, 666 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:49,532 Commission Exhibit 133A and 133B 667 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:54,704 show a ring on the ring finger of the right hand. 668 00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:59,125 133C, the ring appears on the left hand. 669 00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:01,628 In fact, the Dallas Police showed Lee Oswald 670 00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:04,130 one of the pictures while he was still in custody. 671 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:05,965 He said, "That's my face, but I don't remember 672 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:08,801 ever having that picture taken of me." 673 00:32:08,843 --> 00:32:11,220 [Goldberg] But after all these questions are asked, 674 00:32:11,262 --> 00:32:13,932 the underlying mystery remains. 675 00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:17,977 Why would anyone use a rifle in an assassination, 676 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:20,104 knowing there was a paper trail 677 00:32:20,146 --> 00:32:23,483 that would lead right back to them? 678 00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:26,527 Was there a palm print found on the rifle? 679 00:32:26,569 --> 00:32:31,157 The foremost fingerprint expert the FBI had, Sebastian Latona, 680 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:34,661 took that rifle and attempted to lift prints off of the rifle, 681 00:32:34,702 --> 00:32:36,496 the stock and/or the barrel. 682 00:32:36,537 --> 00:32:38,373 Uh, he testified to the Warren Commission 683 00:32:38,414 --> 00:32:41,125 that he found no usable prints 684 00:32:41,167 --> 00:32:45,004 anywhere on that rifle, on the metal or the stock. 685 00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:47,840 But yet, Lieutenant Day in Dallas 686 00:32:47,882 --> 00:32:51,052 before the rifle went to Washington, said he found 687 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:53,680 a partial palm print on the trigger guard on the left side 688 00:32:53,721 --> 00:32:57,809 and a partial print underneath the stock on the barrel. 689 00:32:57,850 --> 00:33:00,019 But Sebastian Latona said there was no evidence 690 00:33:00,061 --> 00:33:01,437 that a lift had even been attempted. 691 00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:03,147 [Stone] No partials at all? 692 00:33:03,189 --> 00:33:04,774 Nothing that he could use in court. 693 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:07,276 There has to be eight points of identification. 694 00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:10,321 He found nothing that would match that. 695 00:33:10,363 --> 00:33:13,992 [woman on recorder] J. Edgar Hoover, on 2192. 696 00:33:14,033 --> 00:33:14,742 [Johnson] Yes? 697 00:33:14,784 --> 00:33:18,538 [Hoover] I've seen the reports on this investigation. 698 00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:21,958 This man, Oswald, he had fired three shots. 699 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,002 He then threw the gun aside, 700 00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:30,508 and, uh, he apparently had come down the five flights of steps. 701 00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:33,177 A stairway from the fifth floor. 702 00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:34,846 [Johnson] You can prove that? 703 00:33:34,887 --> 00:33:37,181 [Hoover] Oh, yes. Oh, yes, we can prove that. 704 00:33:37,223 --> 00:33:40,184 [Johnson] Did anybody hear, anybody see him? 705 00:33:40,226 --> 00:33:43,062 [Hoover] Most of the employees were down on a lower floor, but 706 00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:46,858 he was stopped at the second floor by a police officer. 707 00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:49,736 And some workers, some manager in the building 708 00:33:49,777 --> 00:33:51,863 told the police officer, "Well, he's all right, he works here. 709 00:33:51,904 --> 00:33:53,406 You needn't hold him." 710 00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:55,825 So they let him go. That's how he got out. 711 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,119 [Marrion Baker] At the time that I heard those shots, 712 00:33:58,161 --> 00:34:02,040 I ran into that building and made it up to the second floor. 713 00:34:02,081 --> 00:34:05,418 It was approximately a minute and a half to two minutes. 714 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:07,920 [Cronkite] In possibly less than two minutes, 715 00:34:07,962 --> 00:34:10,506 investigators came to the School Book Building 716 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:12,884 with stopwatches and critical eyes. 717 00:34:12,925 --> 00:34:15,845 Not only police and government agents traced that route, 718 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:18,347 Chief Justice Warren and some other commission members 719 00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:19,766 did it for themselves. 720 00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:23,436 I was interested in finding 721 00:34:23,478 --> 00:34:26,272 a specific witness to the assassination, 722 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:28,274 which was Victoria Adams. 723 00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:31,611 She worked on the fourth floor 724 00:34:31,652 --> 00:34:33,946 of the Texas School Book Depository, 725 00:34:33,988 --> 00:34:36,324 and she knew Oswald. 726 00:34:36,365 --> 00:34:38,576 I went to the National Archives 727 00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:42,830 searching for her original testimony. 728 00:34:42,872 --> 00:34:44,624 I was told that the tape 729 00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:47,460 containing her testimony was missing. 730 00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:49,962 And later I learned that that tape 731 00:34:50,004 --> 00:34:53,257 had been destroyed by the Warren Commission. 732 00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:55,510 And so I finally ended up finding her 733 00:34:55,551 --> 00:34:58,638 and getting her side of the story. 734 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:02,225 Vicki Adams was 22 at the time of the assassination, 735 00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:04,185 and she testified that immediately 736 00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:07,021 after the assassination, 737 00:35:07,063 --> 00:35:09,273 she ran down the back stairs 738 00:35:09,315 --> 00:35:11,317 to get outside to see what was going on. 739 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,653 If that were true, 740 00:35:13,694 --> 00:35:17,907 she would have seen Oswald on the back stairs. 741 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:20,660 But she testified that she saw and heard no one. 742 00:35:21,994 --> 00:35:24,330 She had realized that something was wrong, 743 00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:26,415 because no one was believing her. 744 00:35:26,457 --> 00:35:29,919 So she asked David Belin, who was questioning her, 745 00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:31,838 "Interview Sandra Styles, 746 00:35:31,879 --> 00:35:35,341 a coworker who went down the stairs with me." 747 00:35:35,383 --> 00:35:37,760 This became a rather serious problem 748 00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:39,554 for the Warren Commission, 749 00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:45,184 because discrediting one woman was easy to do. 750 00:35:45,226 --> 00:35:48,271 But discrediting a corroborating witness, 751 00:35:48,312 --> 00:35:50,690 that may have been a little bit tougher. 752 00:35:50,731 --> 00:35:54,485 So Belin said, "We don't need Sandra Styles, 753 00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:55,403 we have you." 754 00:35:56,571 --> 00:35:57,822 [man] We've had Mr. Belin here 755 00:35:57,864 --> 00:35:59,365 with us too, one of our counselors 756 00:35:59,407 --> 00:36:01,284 who's been here several times, and... 757 00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:05,204 He knows this city now as very few people do. 758 00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:08,958 [Barry Ernest] According to Vicki's original FBI testimony, 759 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,544 she left the window on the fourth floor 760 00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:15,047 within 15 to 30 seconds of the assassination. 761 00:36:15,089 --> 00:36:18,384 The Warren Commission elevated that time to one minute. 762 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:21,220 She said she arrived on the first floor 763 00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:24,056 within 60 seconds of the assassination. 764 00:36:24,098 --> 00:36:28,186 The Warren Commission elevated that time to several minutes. 765 00:36:28,227 --> 00:36:30,646 So what the Warren Commission did 766 00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:32,982 was successfully deceive the public 767 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:36,903 into thinking that Vicki was just another confused witness. 768 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:37,945 Case closed. 769 00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:39,405 Reenactments prove, 770 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:42,033 the report says, that Oswald did have time, 771 00:36:42,074 --> 00:36:45,244 just enough time to fire the shots, secret the rifle, 772 00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:47,663 and get down to the second floor cafeteria. 773 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:55,338 But in 1999, I found a document in the National Archives 774 00:36:55,379 --> 00:36:59,258 that had been suppressed for 35 years. 775 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,636 It was a letter written 776 00:37:01,677 --> 00:37:05,514 by Assistant US Attorney Martha Jo Stroud. 777 00:37:05,556 --> 00:37:08,684 It was a transmittal letter forwarding 778 00:37:08,726 --> 00:37:11,979 Vicki's signed testimony to J. Lee Rankin, 779 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:14,398 the head honcho of the Warren Commission's 780 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,859 investigation at that point. 781 00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:19,195 In the last paragraph of that letter, 782 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,239 almost as an afterthought, 783 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,701 we're introduced to a woman by the name of Dorothy Garner. 784 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:29,747 Garner was Vicki's immediate supervisor 785 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:32,792 who had stood at the window with Vicki. 786 00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:36,087 The letter quotes Garner as saying that she saw 787 00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:38,047 Vicki go down the stairs 788 00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:43,970 before she saw Officer Baker and Roy Truly come up. 789 00:37:44,011 --> 00:37:47,348 When I found and interviewed Dorothy Garner, 790 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,225 she confirmed everything. 791 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,019 She said that she had been at the window with Vicki, 792 00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:55,731 that Vicki had left the window immediately, 793 00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:59,902 that she actually followed Vicki outside the office 794 00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:03,864 and to a point where she could see her going down the stairs. 795 00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:07,243 And during that whole time, she never saw Oswald. 796 00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:10,997 So the Stroud letter became a very dangerous document 797 00:38:11,038 --> 00:38:13,958 for the Warren Commission. 798 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,295 [Goldberg] Without the Review Board's declassification process, 799 00:38:17,336 --> 00:38:21,048 we would never have learned of the corroborating testimony 800 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:24,885 of three witnesses that provide powerful evidence 801 00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:27,388 that Oswald was not on the sixth floor 802 00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:29,807 at the time of the shooting. 803 00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:45,656 Legally speaking, the autopsy should have been done in Dallas, 804 00:38:45,698 --> 00:38:48,701 and there was a forensic pathologist, Earl Rose. 805 00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:51,078 He was there to assume jurisdiction 806 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,289 and to do the autopsy. 807 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:55,458 He was pushed up against the wall 808 00:38:55,499 --> 00:38:57,668 and threatened, hands on guns, 809 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,587 a lot of expletives and so on. 810 00:38:59,628 --> 00:39:01,422 He followed them out of the driveway, 811 00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:04,717 and they took the body illegally out of Dallas 812 00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:07,553 in violation of the laws in the state of Texas. 813 00:39:08,846 --> 00:39:10,473 [Goldberg] After Air Force One 814 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:12,183 left Dallas for Washington, 815 00:39:12,224 --> 00:39:15,478 two of the key doctors who had tried to save Kennedy's life 816 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:18,647 at Parkland Hospital, held a press conference. 817 00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:22,568 They were Dr. Malcolm Perry and Dr. Kemp Clark. 818 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:25,029 When were the two major points of evidence 819 00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:26,489 revealed by Kemp Clark and Malcolm Perry 820 00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:28,324 at the press conference? 821 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:30,409 Dr. Perry performed the tracheotomy 822 00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:32,828 to help Kennedy breathe, 823 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:34,997 and at a press conference right after 824 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,958 the failed resuscitation efforts in Dallas, 825 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,585 he was asked, "Well, where was the bullet?" 826 00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:41,379 He said, "The bullet looked like it was coming at him. 827 00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:43,255 He had an entrance wound in the throat." 828 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:45,674 [Douglas Horne] Kemp Clarke 829 00:39:45,716 --> 00:39:47,051 was the head of neurosurgery at Parkland. 830 00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:50,304 He said that the President had a gaping wound 831 00:39:50,346 --> 00:39:51,931 in the occipital-parietal area. 832 00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,308 That's, you know, the right rear of the head. 833 00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:56,394 And so the description he gave of that 834 00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:59,480 was entirely consistent with an exit wound. 835 00:39:59,522 --> 00:40:00,815 We have a transcript today 836 00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:02,400 of what they said at the press conference. 837 00:40:02,441 --> 00:40:05,653 So it's White House transcript 1327C. 838 00:40:05,694 --> 00:40:07,238 That's a very important historical document, 839 00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:10,408 because the Secret Service confiscated the videotapes 840 00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:12,243 from the local TV stations. 841 00:40:12,284 --> 00:40:16,163 [Goldberg] There is, however, a surviving clip of Dr. Perry 842 00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:19,083 recorded not long after the press conference. 843 00:40:32,471 --> 00:40:35,224 [Goldberg] What Clark and Perry both revealed that day 844 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:39,061 would indicate an assassin from the front. 845 00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:41,313 And Assistant White House Press Secretary 846 00:40:41,355 --> 00:40:43,649 Malcolm Kilduff's statement 847 00:40:43,691 --> 00:40:47,153 seems to support this conclusion. 848 00:40:47,194 --> 00:40:53,576 It's a simple matter of a bullet right through the head. 849 00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:57,079 [Goldberg] The day after the shooting, 850 00:40:57,121 --> 00:40:59,999 Dr. Perry was seen by Nurse Audrey Bell, 851 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,334 who had been with him in the operating room. 852 00:41:02,376 --> 00:41:05,087 [Audrey Bell] Saturday morning, when I got over there, 853 00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:07,339 Dr. Perry came up to the office. 854 00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:08,841 I said, "You look awful. 855 00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:11,177 Did you get any sleep last night?" 856 00:41:11,218 --> 00:41:13,429 He said, "Well, not too much, 857 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:17,349 between the calls from Bethesda that came in during the night." 858 00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:18,851 I said, "What about?" 859 00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:21,896 He said, "Oh, whether that was an entrance wound 860 00:41:21,937 --> 00:41:23,856 or an exit wound in the throat." 861 00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:25,774 He said, "They were wanting me to change my mind." 862 00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:28,861 In his Warren Commission testimony, 863 00:41:28,903 --> 00:41:31,530 he basically retracted what he had said 864 00:41:31,572 --> 00:41:33,824 and they forced him to back down 865 00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:36,243 and intimidated him on the witness stand. 866 00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:38,996 It was really quite embarrassing for me as a physician 867 00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,624 to see how someone else who was telling the truth 868 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:44,210 was basically forced to recant his own opinion. 869 00:41:44,251 --> 00:41:46,921 Did it occur to you at the time or did you think, 870 00:41:46,962 --> 00:41:51,175 "Was this an entry wound or was this an exit wound?" 871 00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:53,719 Actually, I didn't really give it much thought 872 00:41:53,761 --> 00:41:55,513 and I realized that perhaps 873 00:41:55,554 --> 00:41:57,515 it would have been better had I done so. 874 00:41:57,556 --> 00:42:00,518 But I actually applied my energies, 875 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,520 and those of us there all did, 876 00:42:02,561 --> 00:42:04,313 to the problem at hand. 877 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:06,315 And I didn't really concern myself too much 878 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:08,692 with how it happened or why. 879 00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:13,239 In 1975, Dr. Shires hired me 880 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,492 on the faculty at the University of Washington 881 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:18,494 in the cardiac surgery division. 882 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:22,581 So I got to know Malcolm when I joined the faculty. 883 00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:24,875 We developed a professional relationship, 884 00:42:24,917 --> 00:42:28,546 and we would operate together on complex cases. 885 00:42:28,587 --> 00:42:34,552 I was particularly interested in, uh, Dr. Perry's position 886 00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:36,303 with the JFK assassination 887 00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:40,391 because he did the tracheotomy on him after he was shot. 888 00:42:40,432 --> 00:42:44,478 The problem is that Malcolm categorically refused 889 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,148 to ever discuss the assassination, 890 00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:51,110 uh, and he wouldn't answer my questions about that neck wound. 891 00:42:51,151 --> 00:42:53,862 And then one night after we had operated together 892 00:42:53,904 --> 00:42:57,032 for many hours on a complex case, 893 00:42:57,074 --> 00:42:59,118 we were sitting in the surgeons' lounge alone, 894 00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,120 drinking coffee, 895 00:43:01,161 --> 00:43:04,873 and I once again asked him about that neck wound. 896 00:43:04,915 --> 00:43:10,754 And this time, he said it was an entrance wound, 897 00:43:10,796 --> 00:43:14,758 unquestionably an entrance wound. 898 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,054 One of the-- the main reasons Dr. Perry changed his testimony 899 00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:21,974 and publicly agreed it was an exit wound 900 00:43:22,016 --> 00:43:25,978 is a Secret Service agent, uh, put the pressure on him, 901 00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:28,814 and that person was Elmer Moore. 902 00:43:29,982 --> 00:43:32,443 In 1970, Elmer Moore was the head 903 00:43:32,484 --> 00:43:35,321 of the Secret Service office in Seattle 904 00:43:35,362 --> 00:43:38,699 and a graduate student named Jim Gochenaur 905 00:43:38,741 --> 00:43:40,659 became friends with him, 906 00:43:40,701 --> 00:43:43,412 and he admitted to Gochenaur that he regretted 907 00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:46,790 putting pressure on Dr. Perry. 908 00:43:46,832 --> 00:43:48,917 So I asked him directly. 909 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:54,548 I said, "Mr. Moore, did you pressure Dr. Perry?" 910 00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:55,924 He stopped for a minute. 911 00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:58,344 He says, "Well, I was ordered to do that." 912 00:43:58,385 --> 00:43:59,803 He expanded on it. 913 00:43:59,845 --> 00:44:01,263 And he said that Inspector Kelley 914 00:44:01,305 --> 00:44:04,808 had ordered him to talk with Perry 915 00:44:04,850 --> 00:44:06,769 and, uh, convince him that it could be 916 00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:09,521 either an exit or an entry wound, 917 00:44:09,563 --> 00:44:12,024 not an entry wound. 918 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:15,527 And I thought it was pretty interesting 919 00:44:15,569 --> 00:44:20,199 that he would admit to something that's pretty close to a felony. 920 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,993 [Donald Miller] Elmer Moore was also in charge 921 00:44:23,035 --> 00:44:24,703 of getting the doctors at Parkland 922 00:44:24,745 --> 00:44:26,997 to change their testimony, 923 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:28,832 and agree that there was no big hole 924 00:44:28,874 --> 00:44:32,044 in the back of Kennedy's head. 925 00:44:32,086 --> 00:44:34,963 [Goldberg] Charles Crenshaw, a third year resident, 926 00:44:35,005 --> 00:44:38,258 was in the emergency room at Parkland that day. 927 00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,804 He later said in public that he felt the wounds in Kennedy 928 00:44:41,845 --> 00:44:44,306 originated from the front. 929 00:44:44,348 --> 00:44:46,809 From here, through. 930 00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:49,019 [Gary Aguilar] Charles Crenshaw wrote a book, 931 00:44:49,061 --> 00:44:51,522 Conspiracy of Silence, in the wake of the film JFK, 932 00:44:51,563 --> 00:44:53,732 saying, "Look, I was at Parkland Hospital. 933 00:44:53,774 --> 00:44:56,694 "I saw Kennedy, I was involved in the treatment, 934 00:44:56,735 --> 00:44:58,404 "and Kennedy's wounds were not consistent 935 00:44:58,445 --> 00:45:00,489 "with a shot from above and behind because 936 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:03,242 he had a defect involving the right rear of his head." 937 00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:06,995 [man over recorder] Using the most precise 938 00:45:07,037 --> 00:45:08,497 medical terminology that you can use. 939 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:09,915 [Audrey Bell over recorder] Okay, let's see, 940 00:45:09,957 --> 00:45:13,252 it was on the right rear 941 00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:17,256 and he shifted the head, a little bit, to the left, 942 00:45:17,297 --> 00:45:21,593 lifted up the, well, kind of the matted area, the flap. 943 00:45:21,635 --> 00:45:25,556 And you could see the, uh, hole, 944 00:45:25,597 --> 00:45:27,933 and there was, uh, 945 00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:32,271 brain and spinal fluid dripping down out of it. 946 00:45:32,312 --> 00:45:35,107 Then I noticed it was dripping, you know, down into a bucket. 947 00:45:37,568 --> 00:45:39,319 [Stone] As early as 1981, 948 00:45:39,361 --> 00:45:41,905 copies of the autopsy photos were leaked 949 00:45:41,947 --> 00:45:45,075 and distributed among JFK researchers. 950 00:45:45,117 --> 00:45:46,744 The image of Kennedy's head wound 951 00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:51,415 contradicted what was witnessed by the Parkland doctors. 952 00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:56,253 I recall the injury being right along in this area. 953 00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:02,843 [Mantik] It's as if the autopsy materials were designed 954 00:46:02,885 --> 00:46:05,304 to hide what was really happening, 955 00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:07,723 as opposed to what they should usually do. 956 00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:12,352 They're supposed to reveal the full extent of things. 957 00:46:12,394 --> 00:46:14,438 [Goldberg] The evening of the assassination, 958 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,233 the body of President Kennedy was returned to Washington. 959 00:46:18,275 --> 00:46:21,653 The autopsy was performed at Bethesda Medical Center, 960 00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:23,739 a naval institution. 961 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,616 All of the top forensic pathologists 962 00:46:25,657 --> 00:46:27,159 in the United States 963 00:46:27,201 --> 00:46:30,788 were within one-hour drive or flying time from D.C. 964 00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:32,831 Not one of them was called upon. 965 00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:34,833 There were two Navy pathologists, 966 00:46:34,875 --> 00:46:36,418 Commander James Humes 967 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,504 and his associate, J. Thornton Boswell. 968 00:46:38,545 --> 00:46:42,257 These two military pathologists who had never done 969 00:46:42,299 --> 00:46:45,803 a single gunshot-wound autopsy in their entire careers. 970 00:46:45,844 --> 00:46:47,387 This is something that really 971 00:46:47,429 --> 00:46:49,389 has to be emphasized to every American. 972 00:46:49,431 --> 00:46:51,558 I don't care, Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. 973 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,018 This is your president, 974 00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:55,270 and you've got multiple gunshot wounds 975 00:46:55,312 --> 00:46:58,524 to determine angles, trajectory, range, sequence. 976 00:46:58,565 --> 00:46:59,942 And then you've got to correlate 977 00:46:59,983 --> 00:47:01,568 with the multiple gunshot wounds in Connally. 978 00:47:01,610 --> 00:47:04,154 This is a formidable task that would have required 979 00:47:04,196 --> 00:47:08,283 two or three major forensic pathologists to-- to undertake. 980 00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:10,494 So they called Humes and Boswell. 981 00:47:10,536 --> 00:47:11,870 They realized they were over their head. 982 00:47:11,912 --> 00:47:13,247 They called in an expert 983 00:47:13,288 --> 00:47:15,040 from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, 984 00:47:15,082 --> 00:47:16,625 a guy named Pierre Finck. 985 00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:19,169 Dr. Humes and Boswell started the autopsy 986 00:47:19,211 --> 00:47:21,547 before their forensics consultant even got there, 987 00:47:21,588 --> 00:47:23,549 but they realized they were in over their head. 988 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:26,718 So they asked to have a medical examiner because Dr. Finck, 989 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,888 who is a forensic pathologist, wasn't doing autopsies. 990 00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:31,557 He hadn't done one in more than two years. 991 00:47:31,598 --> 00:47:33,559 So they asked for permission to bring in somebody 992 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,479 who knew what they were doing. Permission was denied. 993 00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:40,023 [Aguilar] There were a lot of people at the Bethesda morgue. 994 00:47:40,065 --> 00:47:41,316 The latest count by all the researchers 995 00:47:41,358 --> 00:47:43,902 that I know of is about 33 people. 996 00:47:43,944 --> 00:47:46,196 There was a gallery, bleachers. 997 00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:49,241 Apparently, all three rows were filled with people. 998 00:47:49,283 --> 00:47:52,327 These three autopsy pathologists were given a body, 999 00:47:52,369 --> 00:47:53,537 told, "Here's the body, 1000 00:47:53,579 --> 00:47:55,289 he was shot from behind, he fell forward," 1001 00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:57,291 which they wrote in their autopsy report, 1002 00:47:57,332 --> 00:47:58,458 figure out how the wounds fit 1003 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,460 the known circumstances of the shooting. 1004 00:48:00,502 --> 00:48:04,006 But what this really speaks to is the fact that the autopsy 1005 00:48:04,047 --> 00:48:05,465 was not in the control of the surgeons 1006 00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:07,551 that were charged with doing it. 1007 00:48:07,593 --> 00:48:09,678 It was in the control of people who were there, 1008 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,890 who were telling them what they could do and what they couldn't do. 1009 00:48:12,931 --> 00:48:15,601 [reporter] Let's talk about those two wounds, Captain. 1010 00:48:15,642 --> 00:48:18,103 You examined this whole area of the back. 1011 00:48:18,145 --> 00:48:19,354 [James J. Humes] Yes, sir. 1012 00:48:19,396 --> 00:48:21,064 [Wecht] So on the night of the autopsy, 1013 00:48:21,106 --> 00:48:23,108 Humes and Boswell said, 1014 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:25,193 "Hey, we got a bullet hole in the President's back," 1015 00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,113 which they examined with the finger, 1016 00:48:28,155 --> 00:48:29,573 then with an instrument, then took x-rays, 1017 00:48:29,615 --> 00:48:31,366 then took out the lungs. 1018 00:48:31,408 --> 00:48:32,618 And no bullets. 1019 00:48:32,659 --> 00:48:34,119 In a murder case, 1020 00:48:34,161 --> 00:48:36,788 that is a very serious problem for them. 1021 00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:38,332 So where did that bullet go? 1022 00:48:38,373 --> 00:48:41,084 It was just, like you say, a work of fiction. 1023 00:48:41,126 --> 00:48:43,420 A call came in from the FBI in Dallas. 1024 00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,005 A bullet was found. 1025 00:48:45,047 --> 00:48:46,590 Darrell Tomlinson, a maintenance man 1026 00:48:46,632 --> 00:48:48,300 at Parkland Hospital, 1027 00:48:48,342 --> 00:48:51,136 trying to get to the men's room, passing by the ER, 1028 00:48:51,178 --> 00:48:52,888 found the stretchers blocking the way, 1029 00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:55,015 bent down, moved the stretcher, 1030 00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:56,767 and there was a bullet. 1031 00:48:56,808 --> 00:48:58,143 How did that bullet get there? 1032 00:48:58,185 --> 00:48:59,853 Humes and Boswell came up 1033 00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:02,147 with this totally absurd conclusion 1034 00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:04,191 that when the President lay 1035 00:49:04,232 --> 00:49:07,277 on the stretcher, supine position, 1036 00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:09,237 and pressure was applied to his chest 1037 00:49:09,279 --> 00:49:11,657 for cardiopulmonary resuscitation, 1038 00:49:11,698 --> 00:49:15,243 that pressure, applied anteriorly, forced the bullet, 1039 00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:17,371 which had gone deeply into the tissues, 1040 00:49:17,412 --> 00:49:19,039 back out through like a tunnel. 1041 00:49:19,081 --> 00:49:21,333 In and out, a car in reverse. 1042 00:49:21,375 --> 00:49:24,211 And what's very important to note is 1043 00:49:24,252 --> 00:49:26,838 bullets don't go in and out like that. 1044 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,509 The bullet becomes encased. But that was their conclusion. 1045 00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:34,012 Keep in mind, they did not know that there was a bullet hole 1046 00:49:34,054 --> 00:49:35,847 in the front of the President's neck. 1047 00:49:35,889 --> 00:49:38,225 Commander. Now, Captain Humes, 1048 00:49:38,266 --> 00:49:40,352 how many autopsies have you performed? 1049 00:49:40,394 --> 00:49:42,354 [Humes] Approximately 1,000. 1050 00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:47,025 It wasn't until the next morning when Humes decided, 1051 00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:48,443 "Hey, maybe we outta talk with 1052 00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:50,904 the surgeons at Parkland Hospital." 1053 00:49:50,946 --> 00:49:53,740 Earlier that day, the doctors at Parkland Hospital 1054 00:49:53,782 --> 00:49:55,575 had determined that the bullet 1055 00:49:55,617 --> 00:49:57,494 had fortuitously ripped through the trachea. 1056 00:49:57,536 --> 00:50:00,539 So they enlarged that bullet hole. 1057 00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:02,791 And now they learned, for the first time, 1058 00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,835 that there was a tracheostomy 1059 00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:07,087 superimposed upon a bullet wound. 1060 00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:09,881 "Aha!" said Humes and Boswell. 1061 00:50:09,923 --> 00:50:11,383 "Now we know!" 1062 00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:14,136 The shot fired from the rear, entered the back, 1063 00:50:14,177 --> 00:50:16,596 moving around 2,000 feet per second, 1064 00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:19,474 comes out, then stops, sees the starched white collar, 1065 00:50:19,516 --> 00:50:22,060 gets frightened to death, plops into the front of his clothing. 1066 00:50:22,102 --> 00:50:23,729 And that's where the bullet came from, 1067 00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:25,731 found by Tomlinson on the stretcher. 1068 00:50:25,772 --> 00:50:27,274 Four or five months later, 1069 00:50:27,315 --> 00:50:29,860 under Arlen Specter's single-bullet theory, 1070 00:50:29,901 --> 00:50:32,571 that bullet has been rejuvenated, it's been revitalized. 1071 00:50:32,612 --> 00:50:33,947 That bullet has now gone through 1072 00:50:33,989 --> 00:50:35,741 Kennedy, through Connally, 1073 00:50:35,782 --> 00:50:39,953 and now, as of April of 1964, the Stretcher Bullet, 1074 00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:41,830 Commission Exhibit #399, 1075 00:50:41,872 --> 00:50:43,582 the hero of the Warren Commission report, 1076 00:50:43,623 --> 00:50:46,668 is now from Connally's left thigh. 1077 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:48,879 How is that possible? 1078 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,881 It's unbelievable! 1079 00:50:50,922 --> 00:50:53,759 ...which is scientific evidence 1080 00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:00,265 that the wound was made from behind and passed forward. 1081 00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:03,852 [Aguilar] Dr. Humes destroyed his original autopsy notes. 1082 00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:05,729 Now, Dr. Humes, the chief autopsy pathologist, 1083 00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,689 and what we all know as doctors, 1084 00:51:07,731 --> 00:51:09,608 notes taken while you're doing something 1085 00:51:09,649 --> 00:51:11,109 are much more important, 1086 00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:12,944 and are likely to be closer to the truth 1087 00:51:12,986 --> 00:51:15,530 than anything you write later. 1088 00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:18,075 And he admitted that he'd destroyed autopsy notes. 1089 00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:20,118 You destroyed your original notes 1090 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,787 in a medical legal autopsy? 1091 00:51:21,828 --> 00:51:25,290 And remember, that night Oswald is still alive. 1092 00:51:25,332 --> 00:51:26,792 You're going to be asked, doctor, 1093 00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:31,505 at some point in time under oath to give sworn testimony. 1094 00:51:31,546 --> 00:51:33,757 Why did you destroy those notes, doctor? 1095 00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:36,760 Doesn't a pathologist keep his notes? 1096 00:51:36,802 --> 00:51:39,471 And he said, "Well, I destroyed my own autopsy notes 1097 00:51:39,513 --> 00:51:41,890 "because they were splattered with the President's blood 1098 00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:44,768 and I didn't want them to become objects of morbid curiosity." 1099 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:46,311 The third doctor, Dr. Finck, 1100 00:51:46,353 --> 00:51:48,271 who was there, also wrote some notes 1101 00:51:48,313 --> 00:51:49,856 and complained bitterly about the fact 1102 00:51:49,898 --> 00:51:51,441 that his notes disappeared too. 1103 00:51:51,483 --> 00:51:53,568 He was so upset because he had to go home 1104 00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:56,029 and reconstruct all of his notes from memory. 1105 00:51:58,031 --> 00:51:59,950 The two FBI agents at the autopsy, 1106 00:51:59,991 --> 00:52:02,619 Frank O'Neill and James Sibert, 1107 00:52:02,661 --> 00:52:05,580 they reported what they heard during the autopsy, 1108 00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:08,333 what they heard the pathologists say, 1109 00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:10,418 specifically Dr. Humes. 1110 00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:15,006 They were interviewed by Arlen Specter in early 1964. 1111 00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:19,177 He proceeded to write very unfavorable comments 1112 00:52:19,219 --> 00:52:21,930 about them in a summary memo for the record. 1113 00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:23,348 We know with confidence 1114 00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:25,225 why he didn't like what they had to say, 1115 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:27,352 because they were providing evidence 1116 00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:29,521 that the single-bullet theory could not be true. 1117 00:52:29,563 --> 00:52:31,857 [Goldberg] Neither Sibert nor O'Neill 1118 00:52:31,898 --> 00:52:34,568 were asked to testify for the Warren Commission, 1119 00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:37,154 and their written notes became classified. 1120 00:52:37,195 --> 00:52:39,698 In 1997, their depositions were taken 1121 00:52:39,739 --> 00:52:42,826 by the Assassination Records Review Board. 1122 00:52:42,868 --> 00:52:45,078 [Douglas Horne] Both Sibert and O'Neill 1123 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,290 were shown the photographs of the back of JFK's head, 1124 00:52:48,331 --> 00:52:51,501 the autopsy photographs that are the most controversial. 1125 00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:53,128 And they both said that they didn't 1126 00:52:53,170 --> 00:52:55,172 see anything like that at the autopsy. 1127 00:52:55,213 --> 00:52:57,465 O'Neill had said, "It looks like it's been doctored. 1128 00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,009 "I don't mean the photo has been doctored. 1129 00:52:59,050 --> 00:53:01,052 It looks like the head has been put back together," 1130 00:53:01,094 --> 00:53:02,637 you know, by embalmers and then photographed." 1131 00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:04,222 That was what he said under oath. 1132 00:53:04,264 --> 00:53:06,558 Sibert did not remember 1133 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,352 drawing a diagram of the wound for the House committee. 1134 00:53:09,394 --> 00:53:11,479 So he drew a new one for the Review Board. 1135 00:53:11,521 --> 00:53:13,523 And it's one of our most important wound diagrams. 1136 00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:15,984 And it shows what could only be an exit defect 1137 00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:17,402 in the right rear of the skull. 1138 00:53:24,409 --> 00:53:26,745 [Goldberg] This new evidence, combined with 1139 00:53:26,786 --> 00:53:29,915 the Review Board's declassification of 40 witnesses 1140 00:53:29,956 --> 00:53:32,751 who saw a hole in the back of Kennedy's head, 1141 00:53:32,792 --> 00:53:37,214 constitutes powerful evidence of a shot from the front. 1142 00:53:38,131 --> 00:53:39,591 (gunshot) 1143 00:53:42,427 --> 00:53:44,137 Who was the autopsy photographer? 1144 00:53:44,179 --> 00:53:46,514 John Stringer. 1145 00:53:46,556 --> 00:53:49,100 He was a Navy civilian. He was widely respected. 1146 00:53:49,142 --> 00:53:50,310 He had written a textbook 1147 00:53:50,352 --> 00:53:52,229 on medical photography for the Navy. 1148 00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:53,688 So he was the photographer of record. 1149 00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:55,941 He photographed the autopsy itself 1150 00:53:55,982 --> 00:53:59,486 and also photographed the President's brain. 1151 00:53:59,527 --> 00:54:01,696 [Stone] The autopsy photos of the President's brain 1152 00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:03,949 are housed at the National Archives. 1153 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:07,035 These photos cannot be scanned or reproduced, 1154 00:54:07,077 --> 00:54:09,955 but are only available to be viewed on site 1155 00:54:09,996 --> 00:54:13,792 by researchers authorized by the Kennedy family. 1156 00:54:13,833 --> 00:54:15,794 [Horne] Half of the brain photos are taken 1157 00:54:15,835 --> 00:54:18,421 of a brain from above, superior views, 1158 00:54:18,463 --> 00:54:21,758 which is what Stringer said he shot of the complete organ. 1159 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,386 But the other half of the brain photos in the archives 1160 00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:27,806 are taken of the bottom, called basilar views. 1161 00:54:27,847 --> 00:54:30,767 Now, we were very careful to question Mr. Stringer 1162 00:54:30,809 --> 00:54:32,811 about all the photographs he took, 1163 00:54:32,852 --> 00:54:35,939 and ask him what kind of film he used for black and white, 1164 00:54:35,981 --> 00:54:37,607 what kind of film he used for color. 1165 00:54:37,649 --> 00:54:39,526 Jeremy Gunn showed Stringer 1166 00:54:39,567 --> 00:54:43,530 the color positive transparencies of the brain, 1167 00:54:43,571 --> 00:54:45,115 and Stringer immediately noted, 1168 00:54:45,156 --> 00:54:47,701 "Well, these aren't Kodak. These might be Ansco." 1169 00:54:47,742 --> 00:54:50,245 He said, "I don't see the name of the manufacturer on here, 1170 00:54:50,287 --> 00:54:53,164 but these don't have the right notches in the corner." 1171 00:54:53,206 --> 00:54:54,916 So Jeremy Gunn said, 1172 00:54:54,958 --> 00:54:57,043 "Did you use this film with these notches in it?" 1173 00:54:57,085 --> 00:54:58,753 Stringer said, "No." 1174 00:54:58,795 --> 00:55:00,880 "Did you take basilar views when you shot the brain?" 1175 00:55:00,922 --> 00:55:03,591 And he says, "Not as far as I know." 1176 00:55:03,633 --> 00:55:06,136 [Goldberg] Doesn't this all lead to the question 1177 00:55:06,177 --> 00:55:09,806 if Stringer did not take these photographs, then who did? 1178 00:55:11,683 --> 00:55:14,853 Robert Knudsen was a Navy photographer 1179 00:55:14,894 --> 00:55:17,981 who was detailed to the White House in 1958. 1180 00:55:18,023 --> 00:55:21,192 If you read his obituaries in The New York Times 1181 00:55:21,234 --> 00:55:22,485 and The Washington Post, 1182 00:55:22,527 --> 00:55:24,779 you will see that he is credited 1183 00:55:24,821 --> 00:55:27,365 with photographing Kennedy's autopsy, 1184 00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:30,785 except officially he was not. 1185 00:55:30,827 --> 00:55:34,956 [Horne] Robert Knudsen was not interviewed by the Warren Commission. 1186 00:55:34,998 --> 00:55:39,002 So they finally found Robert Knudsen in 1978. 1187 00:55:39,044 --> 00:55:41,171 And to its credit, the House Select Committee 1188 00:55:41,212 --> 00:55:42,756 did a deposition of him. 1189 00:55:42,797 --> 00:55:45,383 To their discredit, they never published it. 1190 00:55:45,425 --> 00:55:49,763 They buried it for 50 years and it got released in 1993. 1191 00:55:49,804 --> 00:55:51,639 And I know why they buried it, 1192 00:55:51,681 --> 00:55:54,559 because everything he told them about autopsy photography 1193 00:55:54,601 --> 00:55:56,144 contradicted what they thought they knew 1194 00:55:56,186 --> 00:55:57,520 in the official record. 1195 00:55:57,562 --> 00:56:00,273 [Mantik] After his death in 1989, 1196 00:56:00,315 --> 00:56:01,983 his wife was interviewed by 1197 00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:04,402 the Assassination Records Review Board. 1198 00:56:16,456 --> 00:56:19,709 He told her that one photograph in particular, 1199 00:56:19,751 --> 00:56:21,252 presumably the back of the head, 1200 00:56:21,294 --> 00:56:23,755 had been severely altered. 1201 00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:25,757 [Jeremy Gunn] Where was the wound covered? 1202 00:56:31,304 --> 00:56:34,015 [Jeremy Gunn] In one sense, uh, probably worth saying 1203 00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:35,600 that what you're saying is very different 1204 00:56:35,642 --> 00:56:37,727 from what the United States government 1205 00:56:37,769 --> 00:56:39,979 has said for a long time. 1206 00:56:40,021 --> 00:56:43,566 And why didn't he say something to somebody? 1207 00:57:04,587 --> 00:57:06,423 [Horne] John Stringer is still 1208 00:57:06,464 --> 00:57:08,049 the autopsy photographer of record, 1209 00:57:08,091 --> 00:57:09,843 I think they both took pictures and I personally think 1210 00:57:09,884 --> 00:57:12,679 that many of John Stringer's pictures 1211 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,514 never made it into the official collection. 1212 00:57:14,556 --> 00:57:15,807 And a lot of the ones we're looking at 1213 00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:17,642 are Robert Knudsen's pictures. 1214 00:57:21,187 --> 00:57:24,482 [Mantik] Saundra Spencer worked at the Anacostia Facility, 1215 00:57:24,524 --> 00:57:26,568 a Naval Photographic Center, 1216 00:57:26,609 --> 00:57:28,987 which was quite separate from the Bethesda lab. 1217 00:57:29,028 --> 00:57:32,323 That weekend, she received film. 1218 00:57:32,365 --> 00:57:34,993 [Horne] The photographs that Saundra Spencer developed, 1219 00:57:35,034 --> 00:57:37,162 which never made it into the official record. 1220 00:57:37,203 --> 00:57:39,831 The only evidence we have of them is her testimony. 1221 00:57:41,666 --> 00:57:43,835 Saundra Spencer was visibly upset 1222 00:57:43,877 --> 00:57:46,337 when she looked at the official autopsy photographs 1223 00:57:46,379 --> 00:57:49,924 because she said, "I developed pictures of him and his family 1224 00:57:49,966 --> 00:57:52,677 for almost three years and he never looked like this." 1225 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,929 She said, "He looks terrible in these photographs." 1226 00:57:59,434 --> 00:58:01,978 -She started to cry. -[Stone] In front of the Review Board? 1227 00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:04,355 [Horne] Yes, she started to cry in front of Jeremy and I 1228 00:58:04,397 --> 00:58:06,232 and the person from the archives, 1229 00:58:06,274 --> 00:58:08,776 and she said, "He did not look this bad 1230 00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:10,862 in the photographs I developed on Sunday." 1231 00:58:10,904 --> 00:58:13,948 He was very cleaned up. It was very respectful. 1232 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:16,034 And in one of the photographs she developed, 1233 00:58:16,075 --> 00:58:17,827 there was a brain, an intact brain, 1234 00:58:17,869 --> 00:58:19,621 sitting next to the body, 1235 00:58:19,662 --> 00:58:21,080 the nude body of the President. 1236 00:58:21,122 --> 00:58:22,874 Strange, first of all, that it's intact 1237 00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:26,252 because FBI agent Frank O'Neill told the Review Board 1238 00:58:26,294 --> 00:58:29,088 that over half of the mass of the brain was missing. 1239 00:58:31,925 --> 00:58:34,469 [Mantik] So the brain autopsy or autopsies, 1240 00:58:34,511 --> 00:58:37,055 there were probably two such events, 1241 00:58:37,096 --> 00:58:41,851 uh, occurred later and were not done on November 22nd. 1242 00:58:41,893 --> 00:58:43,603 [Aguilar] Anybody that's seen the Zapruder film 1243 00:58:43,645 --> 00:58:44,979 can see Kennedy's head explodes 1244 00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:46,523 and debris flies all over the place. 1245 00:58:46,564 --> 00:58:47,857 Jackie Kennedy climbed out 1246 00:58:47,899 --> 00:58:49,609 onto the trunk of the limousine, 1247 00:58:49,651 --> 00:58:52,779 picked up a chunk of the President's brain, had it with her, 1248 00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:54,531 took it in and gave it to, uh, 1249 00:58:54,572 --> 00:58:56,574 one of the doctors at Parkland Hospital. 1250 00:58:56,616 --> 00:58:58,868 When you look at the autopsy photographs of the brain, 1251 00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:00,245 which I've seen the originals of, 1252 00:59:00,286 --> 00:59:02,205 you can just see that the brain is disrupted, 1253 00:59:02,247 --> 00:59:04,207 but very little of the tissue is missing. 1254 00:59:04,249 --> 00:59:07,043 Then we look at the autopsy report of the brain, 1255 00:59:07,085 --> 00:59:09,170 what they call the supplemental brain examination. 1256 00:59:09,212 --> 00:59:10,755 The brain in evidence that's weighed there 1257 00:59:10,797 --> 00:59:12,840 weighs 1,500 grams. 1258 00:59:12,882 --> 00:59:16,261 1500 grams is-- is above average weight 1259 00:59:16,302 --> 00:59:17,845 of an adult male brain. 1260 00:59:17,887 --> 00:59:20,932 There was one report of 8,000 autopsies 1261 00:59:20,974 --> 00:59:23,643 and the average weight of an adult male brain 1262 00:59:23,685 --> 00:59:25,770 was 1,336 grams. 1263 00:59:25,812 --> 00:59:29,524 So they're saying that President Kennedy's brain 1264 00:59:29,566 --> 00:59:31,150 was well above the average weight. 1265 00:59:31,192 --> 00:59:33,194 Where did all that brain tissue disappear to? 1266 00:59:33,236 --> 00:59:36,990 That flies around Dealey Plaza that Jackie has in her hand, 1267 00:59:37,031 --> 00:59:38,700 that everybody is picking off of their clothes? 1268 00:59:41,536 --> 00:59:44,289 [Chesser] There are two photographs of the brain at the archives. 1269 00:59:44,330 --> 00:59:46,749 I viewed those in 2015. 1270 00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:49,127 The brain looked to me to be distorted. 1271 00:59:49,168 --> 00:59:50,962 My first thought was that the brain had been sitting 1272 00:59:51,004 --> 00:59:53,006 in a jar of formaldehyde for a long time. 1273 00:59:53,047 --> 00:59:56,134 The Review Board had a consultant. 1274 00:59:56,175 --> 00:59:59,012 A renowned forensic pathologist. 1275 00:59:59,053 --> 01:00:01,723 He looked at the brain photographs and he said, 1276 01:00:01,764 --> 01:00:04,475 "This is a very well-fixed brain. 1277 01:00:04,517 --> 01:00:07,270 It's all gray. It's not pink at all. 1278 01:00:07,312 --> 01:00:10,481 "It's been fixed for two or three weeks in formaldehyde. 1279 01:00:10,523 --> 01:00:11,858 It's been fixed at least two weeks, 1280 01:00:11,899 --> 01:00:13,359 maybe as long as three weeks." 1281 01:00:13,401 --> 01:00:15,778 I looked at Jeremy Gunn and he looked at me 1282 01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:17,071 and the hair stood up on the back of my neck, 1283 01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:21,618 because I knew that JFK's brain was examined... 1284 01:00:21,659 --> 01:00:23,995 less than three days after he was killed. 1285 01:00:24,037 --> 01:00:25,747 One can only imagine that they wanted 1286 01:00:25,788 --> 01:00:27,624 the-- the damage to the brain 1287 01:00:27,665 --> 01:00:29,751 to be consistent with the hypothesis 1288 01:00:29,792 --> 01:00:32,128 that Oswald had done the shooting. 1289 01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:34,631 So if you had a defect going all the way to the back of the head, 1290 01:00:34,672 --> 01:00:36,924 like so many witnesses testified to it, 1291 01:00:36,966 --> 01:00:41,346 it might raise questions about whether that huge defect 1292 01:00:41,387 --> 01:00:44,057 could've cau-- been caused by a single shot to the head 1293 01:00:44,098 --> 01:00:46,601 as Oswald is supposed to have done. 1294 01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:47,852 [Chesser] At a teaching hospital, 1295 01:00:47,894 --> 01:00:50,772 there was no shortage of brains. 1296 01:00:50,813 --> 01:00:52,106 Autopsies were very frequent. 1297 01:00:52,148 --> 01:00:53,691 Frequently, the brain was saved 1298 01:00:53,733 --> 01:00:56,194 for teaching medical students, 1299 01:00:56,235 --> 01:00:57,862 so it would not have been difficult 1300 01:00:57,904 --> 01:01:00,365 to find a brain for replacement. 1301 01:01:00,406 --> 01:01:01,783 This is just one more reason 1302 01:01:01,824 --> 01:01:04,452 why this cannot be President Kennedy's brain 1303 01:01:04,494 --> 01:01:08,373 in the photographs that we have stored at the archives. 1304 01:01:08,414 --> 01:01:14,045 What we have here... is evidence that impugns the authenticity 1305 01:01:14,087 --> 01:01:16,714 of the brain photographs in the National Archives. 1306 01:01:16,756 --> 01:01:18,508 If there was a trial today, 1307 01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:21,719 these brain photographs would not be admissible as evidence. 1308 01:01:23,721 --> 01:01:25,723 I'd hate to be in your shoes today. 1309 01:01:26,724 --> 01:01:27,767 You have a lot to think about. 1310 01:01:27,809 --> 01:01:29,060 You've seen much hidden evidence 1311 01:01:29,102 --> 01:01:30,937 the American public has never seen. 1312 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,900 You know, going back to when we were children, 1313 01:01:35,942 --> 01:01:37,944 I think that most of us in this courtroom thought 1314 01:01:37,985 --> 01:01:40,697 that justice came into being automatically. 1315 01:01:41,698 --> 01:01:43,199 That virtue was its own reward, 1316 01:01:43,241 --> 01:01:45,284 that-- that good would triumph over evil. 1317 01:01:46,994 --> 01:01:50,790 But as we get older, we know this just isn't true. 1318 01:01:50,832 --> 01:01:53,501 Individual human beings have to create justice 1319 01:01:53,543 --> 01:01:54,752 and this is not easy, 1320 01:01:56,295 --> 01:01:59,757 because the truth often poses a threat to power, 1321 01:01:59,799 --> 01:02:03,886 and one often has to fight power at great risk to themselves. 1322 01:02:03,928 --> 01:02:05,430 [Goldberg] The one physician present 1323 01:02:05,471 --> 01:02:08,599 at both Parkland Hospital and the Bethesda morgue 1324 01:02:08,641 --> 01:02:09,934 was George Burkley, 1325 01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:12,603 Kennedy's personal doctor. 1326 01:02:12,645 --> 01:02:15,940 Arlen Specter did not depose George Burkley, 1327 01:02:15,982 --> 01:02:20,027 but Burkley did an interview with the JFK Library in 1967, 1328 01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:22,447 and was asked this question. 1329 01:02:22,488 --> 01:02:23,781 [interviewer speaking] 1330 01:02:31,456 --> 01:02:32,790 [interviewer] I see. 1331 01:02:32,832 --> 01:02:35,168 [Miller] The reason he didn't say anything was, 1332 01:02:35,209 --> 01:02:38,671 he was intimately involved in the coverup. 1333 01:02:38,713 --> 01:02:41,340 [Goldberg] Burkley signed the autopsy descriptive sheet 1334 01:02:41,382 --> 01:02:45,386 with a bullet in the back at the level of T3. 1335 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:47,972 And he also signed Kennedy's death certificate, 1336 01:02:48,014 --> 01:02:50,683 which also placed that wound in the back. 1337 01:02:50,725 --> 01:02:52,685 That death certificate is not in 1338 01:02:52,727 --> 01:02:55,146 the Warren Commission volumes, 1339 01:02:55,188 --> 01:02:58,357 and the descriptive sheet in the Commission volumes 1340 01:02:58,399 --> 01:03:00,651 does not have Burkley's signature. 1341 01:03:02,111 --> 01:03:04,155 In 1977, through his lawyer, 1342 01:03:04,197 --> 01:03:06,491 he wrote a letter to Richard Sprague, 1343 01:03:06,532 --> 01:03:08,159 Chief Counsel of the House 1344 01:03:08,201 --> 01:03:10,787 Select Committee on Assassinations. 1345 01:03:10,828 --> 01:03:13,164 He said he had information indicating 1346 01:03:13,206 --> 01:03:15,416 that others besides Oswald 1347 01:03:15,458 --> 01:03:18,461 must've participated in the assassination. 1348 01:03:18,503 --> 01:03:22,006 He was willing to talk about it at this time. 1349 01:03:22,048 --> 01:03:24,342 Sprague, who made clear his intention 1350 01:03:24,383 --> 01:03:27,011 to fully investigate the CIA's involvement, 1351 01:03:27,053 --> 01:03:29,096 was forced out two weeks later. 1352 01:03:29,138 --> 01:03:30,973 Dr. Burkley submitted a written statement 1353 01:03:31,015 --> 01:03:33,184 to the House Select Committee, 1354 01:03:33,226 --> 01:03:35,061 but there is no official record 1355 01:03:35,102 --> 01:03:38,356 of him being deposed as a witness. 1356 01:03:38,397 --> 01:03:42,276 In 1982, he told JFK researcher Henry Hurt, 1357 01:03:42,318 --> 01:03:43,736 "I know there was more than one gunman," 1358 01:03:43,778 --> 01:03:45,154 and when Henry Hurt 1359 01:03:45,196 --> 01:03:47,198 tried to recontact Burkley for more details, 1360 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,616 Burkley cut him off at the knees. 1361 01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:50,159 "I don't want to talk about it anymore." 1362 01:03:50,201 --> 01:03:51,536 The very next year, Burkley talked 1363 01:03:51,577 --> 01:03:54,247 to Michael Kurtz, another JFK researcher, 1364 01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:55,832 told him that he knew there was 1365 01:03:55,873 --> 01:03:57,333 a conspiracy to kill the President 1366 01:03:57,375 --> 01:03:58,876 and that he recalled an exit wound 1367 01:03:58,918 --> 01:04:01,045 in the back of President Kennedy's head. 1368 01:04:01,087 --> 01:04:02,922 Now, that's a very significant statement. 1369 01:04:02,964 --> 01:04:05,007 That the only doctor we know of 1370 01:04:05,049 --> 01:04:07,885 who was present at both Parkland for treatment, 1371 01:04:07,927 --> 01:04:09,554 and at Bethesda during the autopsy, 1372 01:04:09,595 --> 01:04:11,848 told Michael Kurtz in 1983 1373 01:04:11,889 --> 01:04:14,225 that Kennedy had an exit wound in the back of his head. 1374 01:04:14,267 --> 01:04:15,560 When Kurtz tried to recontact Burkley, 1375 01:04:15,601 --> 01:04:18,062 Burkley cut him off at the knees. 1376 01:04:18,104 --> 01:04:19,814 "I don't want to talk about this anymore." 1377 01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:21,190 Dr. Burkley was deceased by the time 1378 01:04:21,232 --> 01:04:23,067 the Review Board was impaneled. 1379 01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:25,403 So then Jeremy decided, well, 1380 01:04:25,444 --> 01:04:28,656 we can ask the executor of his estate, 1381 01:04:28,698 --> 01:04:30,533 his daughter, to sign a waiver 1382 01:04:30,575 --> 01:04:33,035 so that we could go to the law firm 1383 01:04:33,077 --> 01:04:34,704 that Mr. Illig used to work for, 1384 01:04:34,745 --> 01:04:35,913 because he was deceased also, 1385 01:04:35,955 --> 01:04:37,248 and see if there were 1386 01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:39,000 any records in the file of Mr. Illig 1387 01:04:39,041 --> 01:04:41,085 that would have revealed what it was 1388 01:04:41,127 --> 01:04:43,129 he wanted to tell the HSCA in detail, 1389 01:04:43,170 --> 01:04:45,089 and she said she would do that. 1390 01:04:45,131 --> 01:04:46,507 And then Jeremy called her on the phone, 1391 01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:48,843 she had completely changed her mind 1392 01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:50,177 and adamantly refused to sign it 1393 01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:52,388 and terminated the phone call. 1394 01:04:57,852 --> 01:04:59,854 The face sheet for the autopsy, 1395 01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:02,773 where it shows the front and back silhouette of the body, 1396 01:05:02,815 --> 01:05:05,818 where you mark scars and bullet wounds and things, 1397 01:05:05,860 --> 01:05:08,279 the face sheet showed the bullet wound 1398 01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:13,284 in the back at the level of thoracic vertebra T3, 1399 01:05:13,326 --> 01:05:16,287 which is five and a half to six inches below. 1400 01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:18,247 [Goldberg] That location coincided with 1401 01:05:18,289 --> 01:05:21,792 what Sibert and O'Neill wrote in their report. 1402 01:05:21,834 --> 01:05:25,421 And in order to make the facts fit the single-bullet theory, 1403 01:05:25,463 --> 01:05:27,548 one bullet doing all this damage, 1404 01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:31,302 the doctors needed an exit point for the back wound. 1405 01:05:31,344 --> 01:05:34,764 The Warren Commission raised the wound in the back 1406 01:05:34,805 --> 01:05:37,934 so that it would align with the alleged exit wound 1407 01:05:37,975 --> 01:05:39,936 in the front of Kennedy's neck. 1408 01:05:39,977 --> 01:05:41,604 Commissioner Gerald Ford 1409 01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:44,106 did this simply via the stroke of a pen, 1410 01:05:44,148 --> 01:05:46,692 changing the description in their report 1411 01:05:46,734 --> 01:05:49,612 from back, to back of the neck. 1412 01:05:49,654 --> 01:05:51,781 As I recall, they said about Gerald Ford 1413 01:05:51,822 --> 01:05:54,408 that he could not chew gum and walk at the same time. 1414 01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:57,244 Now, all of a sudden, he becomes a forensic pathologist, 1415 01:05:57,286 --> 01:05:59,956 and a photographer, and a criminalist, and an expert, 1416 01:05:59,997 --> 01:06:02,708 and he knows where the bullet hole was and he moved it up. 1417 01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:04,877 [Goldberg] But then in 1979, 1418 01:06:04,919 --> 01:06:08,297 the House Select Committee moved it lower in the back 1419 01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:10,967 because they had pictures from the autopsy. 1420 01:06:11,008 --> 01:06:12,760 It is conceivable that, at the time, 1421 01:06:12,802 --> 01:06:14,720 the Warren Commission thought 1422 01:06:14,762 --> 01:06:18,140 no one would ever see the autopsy photos. 1423 01:06:18,182 --> 01:06:20,351 When the Review Board declassified 1424 01:06:20,393 --> 01:06:22,478 the notation showing what Ford had done, 1425 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,356 the former commissioner replied that it had nothing to do 1426 01:06:25,398 --> 01:06:27,650 with a conspiracy theory. 1427 01:06:27,692 --> 01:06:30,695 He was only trying to be more precise. 1428 01:06:30,736 --> 01:06:34,323 This is directly contradicted by a conversation Ford had 1429 01:06:34,365 --> 01:06:38,494 with French President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing. 1430 01:06:38,536 --> 01:06:40,121 Ford told him the assassination 1431 01:06:40,162 --> 01:06:42,873 was not the work of one person. 1432 01:06:42,915 --> 01:06:45,042 It was something set up. 1433 01:06:45,084 --> 01:06:47,294 "We were sure it was set up, 1434 01:06:47,336 --> 01:06:50,297 but we were not able to discover by whom." 1435 01:06:52,758 --> 01:06:54,135 [Stone] With all the documents 1436 01:06:54,176 --> 01:06:56,262 declassified by the Review Board, 1437 01:06:56,303 --> 01:06:59,265 we can see this scene in a new light. 1438 01:06:59,306 --> 01:07:02,393 In regards to the JFK assassination, 1439 01:07:02,435 --> 01:07:06,230 conspiracy theories are now conspiracy facts. 1440 01:07:07,314 --> 01:07:09,108 The forensics show evidence 1441 01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:10,693 of multiple shooters with Oswald, 1442 01:07:10,735 --> 01:07:12,361 not even at the sixth floor window 1443 01:07:12,403 --> 01:07:15,031 at the time of the assassination. 1444 01:07:15,072 --> 01:07:20,494 And his fingerprints not found on the supposed murder weapon. 1445 01:07:20,536 --> 01:07:24,248 Still, there was no trial for Lee Harvey Oswald. 1446 01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:25,541 These people have given me a hearing 1447 01:07:25,583 --> 01:07:27,752 without legal representation or anything. 1448 01:07:27,793 --> 01:07:29,045 [reporter] Did you shoot the President? 1449 01:07:29,086 --> 01:07:31,422 I didn't shoot anybody, no, sir. 1450 01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:35,384 [Stone] Attorney Mark Lane tried to represent Oswald in the proceedings, 1451 01:07:35,426 --> 01:07:37,344 but was denied by the Warren Commission. 1452 01:08:05,498 --> 01:08:08,334 Did the accused man get a fair trial? 1453 01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:09,752 I can tell you from my experiences 1454 01:08:09,794 --> 01:08:12,588 having tried several hundred cases to verdict, 1455 01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:14,799 and being responsible for thousands of cases 1456 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,050 as head of the criminal courts 1457 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:17,593 and running the homicide bureau, 1458 01:08:17,635 --> 01:08:20,221 that I don't believe there's any courtroom in America 1459 01:08:20,262 --> 01:08:22,056 where Oswald would've been convicted 1460 01:08:22,098 --> 01:08:23,474 on the evidence that was presented 1461 01:08:23,516 --> 01:08:25,726 before the Warren Commission. 1462 01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:29,438 [Stone] Instead of a jury of 12 American citizens, 1463 01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:32,191 judgment was passed by a panel of seven 1464 01:08:32,233 --> 01:08:35,611 appointed wise men and career statesmen. 1465 01:08:35,653 --> 01:08:40,032 A judgment perpetuated by the media at that time. 1466 01:08:40,074 --> 01:08:42,576 Looking at the declassified documents, 1467 01:08:42,618 --> 01:08:44,120 we see there's even more mystery 1468 01:08:44,161 --> 01:08:47,206 behind Oswald to uncover. 1469 01:08:47,248 --> 01:08:51,043 A man who was, in his own words, a patsy. 1470 01:08:51,085 --> 01:08:54,255 Murdered on live television. 1471 01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:57,633 [reporter 1] This was the dreary funeral of Lee Harvey Oswald, 1472 01:08:57,675 --> 01:09:01,387 alleged murderer of President Kennedy. 1473 01:09:01,428 --> 01:09:03,848 Burial was in an otherwise empty plot 1474 01:09:03,889 --> 01:09:07,017 in Rose Hill Cemetery outside Fort Worth. 1475 01:09:07,059 --> 01:09:09,103 A plot that we were told was bought 1476 01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:11,355 long ago by Oswald's mother. 1477 01:09:11,397 --> 01:09:14,275 No one was on hand for the funeral as mourners, 1478 01:09:14,316 --> 01:09:17,778 except the family of the dead man. 1479 01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:21,073 [reporter 2] Oswald spent his early years in an orphanage. 1480 01:09:21,115 --> 01:09:25,035 At the age of 17, he joined the US Marine Corps. 1481 01:09:25,077 --> 01:09:26,787 A year later, he was sent 1482 01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:29,790 to one of the most secret US bases in the world, 1483 01:09:29,832 --> 01:09:31,625 Atsugi in Japan. 1484 01:09:31,667 --> 01:09:34,086 From here, the CIA operated spy flights 1485 01:09:34,128 --> 01:09:35,796 over communist China 1486 01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:38,257 using U-2 reconnaissance planes. 1487 01:09:40,092 --> 01:09:43,846 [Goldberg] During the 1975 Church Committee investigation 1488 01:09:43,888 --> 01:09:46,348 of US intelligence activities, 1489 01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:48,225 Committee member Richard Schweiker 1490 01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:50,644 remarked about Oswald, 1491 01:09:50,686 --> 01:09:53,314 that everywhere you looked with him, 1492 01:09:53,355 --> 01:09:56,901 there are fingerprints of intelligence. 1493 01:09:56,942 --> 01:10:00,279 [man] Many people said he was a forthright, upstanding American 1494 01:10:00,321 --> 01:10:01,864 as a young person, 1495 01:10:01,906 --> 01:10:05,409 and yet they later depicted him as a Castro-loving, 1496 01:10:05,451 --> 01:10:08,621 Cuban-loving, Russian-loving person. 1497 01:10:08,662 --> 01:10:10,289 [Jefferson Morley] In the spring of 1963, 1498 01:10:10,331 --> 01:10:12,583 Oswald started handing out pamphlets 1499 01:10:12,625 --> 01:10:14,752 for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, 1500 01:10:14,793 --> 01:10:17,588 a pro-Castro, pro-Cuban Revolution group 1501 01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:20,382 that was popular on college campuses. 1502 01:10:20,424 --> 01:10:23,802 And some of them, he stamped "544 Camp Street," 1503 01:10:23,844 --> 01:10:27,556 which was an office in downtown, uh, New Orleans 1504 01:10:27,598 --> 01:10:30,017 near where the CIA's offices were, 1505 01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:31,936 right across the street, in fact. 1506 01:10:31,977 --> 01:10:35,022 There was also the home of the Cuban Revolutionary Council, 1507 01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:37,775 which was the leading anti-Castro group. 1508 01:10:37,816 --> 01:10:42,029 Why would a pro-Castro activist put his headquarters 1509 01:10:42,071 --> 01:10:43,906 in the same headquarters 1510 01:10:43,948 --> 01:10:46,492 as the leading anti-Castro group in the country? 1511 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,120 'Cause he was a provocateur. 1512 01:10:50,162 --> 01:10:52,706 This gets back to being an agent or a double agent, 1513 01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:54,750 because he played both roles. 1514 01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:58,796 Here was Oswald who had two associations. 1515 01:10:58,837 --> 01:11:00,965 One, he has a group of anti-Castro Cubans. 1516 01:11:01,006 --> 01:11:03,300 At the same time, he was handing out leaflets 1517 01:11:03,342 --> 01:11:04,468 for the Fair Play for Cuba committee, 1518 01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:06,470 uh, with the other side of the fence. 1519 01:11:06,512 --> 01:11:09,473 So the two groups that had the most motivation 1520 01:11:09,515 --> 01:11:12,643 to assassinate the President, he was dealing with. 1521 01:11:13,852 --> 01:11:15,896 [Goldberg] And not surprisingly, 1522 01:11:15,938 --> 01:11:19,316 many of these groups were known and, in some cases 1523 01:11:19,358 --> 01:11:21,652 supported, by the US government. 1524 01:11:22,528 --> 01:11:24,947 In the spring of 1963, 1525 01:11:24,989 --> 01:11:29,326 Oswald began associating with men who, it would be revealed, 1526 01:11:29,368 --> 01:11:33,289 had clear connections with these government efforts. 1527 01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:35,332 One of these men, David Ferrie, 1528 01:11:35,374 --> 01:11:40,546 had been with Oswald in the Civil Air Patrol back in 1955, 1529 01:11:40,587 --> 01:11:43,841 and was known as an extreme anti-Communist. 1530 01:11:43,882 --> 01:11:47,636 He was also a trainer and a pilot for the CIA 1531 01:11:47,678 --> 01:11:50,597 in its secret war against Cuba. 1532 01:11:50,639 --> 01:11:52,141 Oswald was involved with these 1533 01:11:52,182 --> 01:11:55,561 Cuban exile training activities with Ferrie. 1534 01:11:56,729 --> 01:11:58,856 I do know that I saw him one time 1535 01:11:58,897 --> 01:12:02,484 with a man by the name of Guy Banister. 1536 01:12:02,526 --> 01:12:05,487 And, uh, what Guy's role was 1537 01:12:05,529 --> 01:12:09,283 in all of this, I-- I really don't know. 1538 01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:12,119 [Goldberg] Banister was an extreme right-winger 1539 01:12:12,161 --> 01:12:14,288 who was close to the FBI, 1540 01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:17,791 the CIA, and the American Nazi Party. 1541 01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:23,839 Banister gave Oswald his own office at 544 Camp Street. 1542 01:12:23,881 --> 01:12:26,717 Oswald now began to use his office 1543 01:12:26,759 --> 01:12:31,055 to print up and stamp pro-Castro literature. 1544 01:12:31,096 --> 01:12:35,184 After the assassination, when the FBI questioned Banister, 1545 01:12:35,225 --> 01:12:37,895 a former FBI agent himself, 1546 01:12:37,936 --> 01:12:41,982 they did not ask him about Oswald. 1547 01:12:42,024 --> 01:12:45,861 At some point, the FBI, I think probably after the assassination 1548 01:12:45,903 --> 01:12:48,405 decided they didn't-- they wanted to disconnect 1549 01:12:48,447 --> 01:12:50,491 Oswald from the FBI, 1550 01:12:50,532 --> 01:12:53,660 and-- and of course, Banister, who's associated with the FBI, 1551 01:12:53,702 --> 01:12:56,121 would have to be disconnected as well. 1552 01:12:56,163 --> 01:12:57,247 The problem with that, 1553 01:12:57,289 --> 01:12:59,291 many of those handbills had 1554 01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:02,211 the 544 Camp Street address on them. 1555 01:13:02,252 --> 01:13:05,839 There was a message from New Orleans to the Bureau 1556 01:13:05,881 --> 01:13:08,717 written by Special Agent Maynor, 1557 01:13:08,759 --> 01:13:11,553 uh, who actually mentioned pamphlets 1558 01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:14,390 that had the 544 Camp Street address on it. 1559 01:13:14,431 --> 01:13:17,518 And before that message was sent, it was scratched out. 1560 01:13:19,144 --> 01:13:21,522 [Goldberg] The Warren Commission pushed the idea 1561 01:13:21,563 --> 01:13:23,899 that Oswald was a staunch communist, 1562 01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:26,110 citing evidence of his defection 1563 01:13:26,151 --> 01:13:29,613 to the Soviet Union in 1959. 1564 01:13:29,655 --> 01:13:32,533 His trip to Russia raised a number of questions 1565 01:13:32,574 --> 01:13:34,201 that we wanted to get into. 1566 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:40,958 For example, when any American went to Russia 1567 01:13:40,999 --> 01:13:43,585 and renounced his American citizenship, 1568 01:13:43,627 --> 01:13:45,963 and subsequently changed his mind 1569 01:13:46,004 --> 01:13:49,425 and wanted to come back to this country. 1570 01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:51,510 Upon returning to this country, 1571 01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:53,929 there was a thorough debriefing 1572 01:13:54,555 --> 01:13:57,433 by the CIA, 1573 01:13:57,474 --> 01:14:01,478 with one exception, as far as we can ascertain, Oswald. 1574 01:14:03,063 --> 01:14:06,024 Now, that smacks of an intelligence relationship. 1575 01:14:06,066 --> 01:14:07,359 [reporter] Did you kill the President? 1576 01:14:07,401 --> 01:14:08,902 No, they're taking me in 1577 01:14:08,944 --> 01:14:11,405 because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. 1578 01:14:13,323 --> 01:14:17,244 [Goldberg] State Department Intelligence Officer Otto Otepka 1579 01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:20,664 had noted the marked increase in the number of Americans 1580 01:14:20,706 --> 01:14:23,125 defecting to Russia at the time. 1581 01:14:23,167 --> 01:14:27,004 He also noted that some of them came from the military. 1582 01:14:27,045 --> 01:14:30,174 He, therefore, suspected that some of these men 1583 01:14:30,215 --> 01:14:32,134 were fake defectors. 1584 01:14:32,176 --> 01:14:34,178 They had been assigned by the CIA 1585 01:14:34,219 --> 01:14:38,182 to garner intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. 1586 01:14:38,223 --> 01:14:42,644 He sent a letter to the CIA asking which ones were real 1587 01:14:42,686 --> 01:14:45,397 and which were their agents. 1588 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,776 Oswald was one of the names on Otepka's list. 1589 01:14:49,818 --> 01:14:53,238 Otepka's request was forwarded to James Angleton, 1590 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,240 Chief of Counterintelligence. 1591 01:14:55,282 --> 01:14:58,994 He instructed that there be no research done on Oswald, 1592 01:14:59,036 --> 01:15:03,248 but Otepka continued to work on the Oswald case. 1593 01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:05,125 The thing of significance 1594 01:15:05,167 --> 01:15:07,586 was that he was really interested in Lee Harvey Oswald 1595 01:15:07,628 --> 01:15:10,088 before the assassination, 1596 01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:14,801 and he actually had a study of these defectors in his safe. 1597 01:15:14,843 --> 01:15:18,055 Well, things got worse. His office was not only bugged, 1598 01:15:18,096 --> 01:15:20,682 they planted people in his office to spy on him. 1599 01:15:20,724 --> 01:15:24,561 They started putting confidential documents in his burn bag, 1600 01:15:24,603 --> 01:15:26,146 and then tried to blame him in saying 1601 01:15:26,188 --> 01:15:27,898 he's burning confidential documents. 1602 01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:30,234 The guy has gone, you know, wacko. 1603 01:15:30,275 --> 01:15:32,027 [Goldberg] As a result, 1604 01:15:32,069 --> 01:15:34,738 he was formally removed from the State Department 1605 01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:37,908 on November 5th, 1963, 1606 01:15:37,950 --> 01:15:41,119 just 17 days before the assassination. 1607 01:15:41,161 --> 01:15:44,831 So you will not see Otepka's name in the Warren Report. 1608 01:15:44,873 --> 01:15:48,460 And he was not called as a witness before that body. 1609 01:15:48,502 --> 01:15:50,796 In fact, Angleton, the man 1610 01:15:50,837 --> 01:15:55,050 who had access to all the Oswald files at the CIA, 1611 01:15:55,092 --> 01:15:57,177 coordinated the agency's response 1612 01:15:57,219 --> 01:16:00,764 to the Warren Commission's requests. 1613 01:16:00,806 --> 01:16:04,560 [reporter] The CIA Deputy Director of Plans, Richard Helms, 1614 01:16:04,601 --> 01:16:06,270 swore to the Warren Commission 1615 01:16:06,311 --> 01:16:08,105 that the agency never had 1616 01:16:08,146 --> 01:16:11,400 or contemplated any contact with Oswald. 1617 01:16:11,441 --> 01:16:14,403 The line that the CIA fed the Warren Commission, 1618 01:16:14,444 --> 01:16:16,989 that they really didn't know anything about this guy. 1619 01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:20,117 We now know that that was complete nonsense. 1620 01:16:20,158 --> 01:16:23,745 Oswald was a figure of intense interest 1621 01:16:23,787 --> 01:16:26,456 for four years before the assassination. 1622 01:16:26,498 --> 01:16:30,294 And a dozen senior CIA officers 1623 01:16:30,335 --> 01:16:32,129 were very well acquainted with him. 1624 01:16:32,170 --> 01:16:34,798 Everything he did, where he went, 1625 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,301 what his politics were, his family life. 1626 01:16:37,342 --> 01:16:41,013 I mean, remember, they were reading his mother's mail. 1627 01:16:41,054 --> 01:16:43,098 That's how closely they were watching him 1628 01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:45,892 right up until Kennedy was killed. 1629 01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:48,687 And then Kennedy was killed, Oswald's arrested, 1630 01:16:48,729 --> 01:16:52,232 and they say, "Oh, we know nothing about this man." 1631 01:16:52,274 --> 01:16:56,111 [Goldberg] In fact, ARRB records show 1632 01:16:56,153 --> 01:17:00,324 that Angleton and the CIA were receiving reports on Oswald 1633 01:17:00,365 --> 01:17:04,202 up until one week before the assassination. 1634 01:17:04,244 --> 01:17:05,996 So, you know, the whole investigation 1635 01:17:06,038 --> 01:17:09,041 would have been totally different 1636 01:17:09,082 --> 01:17:12,294 if-- if the public and the investigators had known 1637 01:17:12,336 --> 01:17:16,048 just how much the CIA knew about the alleged lone nut. 1638 01:17:18,634 --> 01:17:22,054 [Goldberg] One of the places Oswald leafleted in front of 1639 01:17:22,095 --> 01:17:25,432 was Clay Shaw's International Trade Mart. 1640 01:17:25,474 --> 01:17:29,978 Shaw, who was arrested by New Orleans DA Jim Garrison 1641 01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:32,522 on charges that he was part of the conspiracy 1642 01:17:32,564 --> 01:17:34,358 to kill President Kennedy, 1643 01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:38,528 always denied he was associated with the CIA. 1644 01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:40,489 [interviewer] You have never yourself had any CIA connection? 1645 01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:41,782 None whatsoever. 1646 01:17:41,823 --> 01:17:43,075 Any association with the organization? 1647 01:17:43,116 --> 01:17:44,242 Not a one. 1648 01:17:44,284 --> 01:17:45,952 [Goldberg] The Review Board has shown 1649 01:17:45,994 --> 01:17:48,413 these denials to be false. 1650 01:17:48,455 --> 01:17:51,958 Shaw was both a highly valued contract agent 1651 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,586 and had a covert security clearance 1652 01:17:54,628 --> 01:17:58,548 for a project code named QKENCHANT. 1653 01:18:00,634 --> 01:18:02,719 New Orleans attorney Dean Andrews 1654 01:18:02,761 --> 01:18:05,347 had worked with Oswald in May of '63 1655 01:18:05,389 --> 01:18:08,767 in an attempt to upgrade his military discharge 1656 01:18:08,809 --> 01:18:11,395 from its "undesirable" status. 1657 01:18:11,436 --> 01:18:16,066 After the assassination, a man calling himself Clay Bertrand 1658 01:18:16,108 --> 01:18:19,695 phoned Andrews and asked him to consider going to Dallas 1659 01:18:19,736 --> 01:18:22,197 to defend Oswald. 1660 01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:26,159 Under oath, Clay Shaw denied that he was Clay Bertrand, 1661 01:18:26,201 --> 01:18:28,078 and Andrews claimed that because 1662 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,706 of the medication he was on, 1663 01:18:30,747 --> 01:18:33,166 he had only imagined the phone call. 1664 01:18:33,208 --> 01:18:35,585 But today, because of the work 1665 01:18:35,627 --> 01:18:38,088 of the Assassination Records Review Board, 1666 01:18:38,130 --> 01:18:41,299 we now have evidence and 12 people who confirmed 1667 01:18:41,341 --> 01:18:44,177 that Shaw used this name as an alias. 1668 01:18:44,219 --> 01:18:47,472 Andrews later admitted that Shaw was Bertrand 1669 01:18:47,514 --> 01:18:49,433 to author Harold Weisberg, 1670 01:18:49,474 --> 01:18:51,893 but made him promise not to reveal this 1671 01:18:51,935 --> 01:18:54,187 until after Andrews' death. 1672 01:18:57,524 --> 01:18:59,276 [John Newman] In the FBI, 1673 01:18:59,317 --> 01:19:03,989 uh, a stop or flash was placed on Oswald's files, 1674 01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:07,367 which meant that no one 1675 01:19:07,409 --> 01:19:10,454 could ask for a document in those files, 1676 01:19:10,495 --> 01:19:14,040 or no one could even add a document to those files 1677 01:19:14,082 --> 01:19:18,044 without going through the FBI's espionage division. 1678 01:19:18,086 --> 01:19:21,006 And that lasted for four years. 1679 01:19:21,047 --> 01:19:24,009 It was essentially a blinking red light 1680 01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:26,303 on Oswald's files at FBI. 1681 01:19:27,846 --> 01:19:31,391 On 8 October, 1963, 1682 01:19:31,433 --> 01:19:34,853 an FBI agent whose name was Marvin Gheesling 1683 01:19:34,895 --> 01:19:37,773 took that status off of Oswald's files. 1684 01:19:39,775 --> 01:19:42,152 What that action did was to lower 1685 01:19:42,194 --> 01:19:46,406 Oswald's threat profile at the FBI 1686 01:19:46,448 --> 01:19:50,118 just weeks before the Kennedy assassination. 1687 01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,996 And what that would mean is there was no reason 1688 01:19:53,038 --> 01:19:56,249 to put Oswald's name on the security index. 1689 01:19:56,291 --> 01:19:58,460 One thing about the security index 1690 01:19:58,502 --> 01:20:00,921 is when you have a Presidential motorcade 1691 01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:03,465 going through a particular route, 1692 01:20:03,507 --> 01:20:04,925 anybody who's on that index 1693 01:20:04,966 --> 01:20:06,760 has to be removed from where they are. 1694 01:20:06,802 --> 01:20:08,678 They cannot be on the parade route. 1695 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,555 And, of course, that exposes 1696 01:20:10,597 --> 01:20:13,016 the President to a dangerous situation 1697 01:20:13,058 --> 01:20:14,601 that he shouldn't have been in. 1698 01:20:14,643 --> 01:20:18,146 That action at the FBI didn't happen in isolation. 1699 01:20:18,188 --> 01:20:23,151 The same thing happened at CIA at exactly the same time. 1700 01:20:23,193 --> 01:20:26,196 [Stone] Who was the CIA's liaison they chose to work 1701 01:20:26,238 --> 01:20:29,574 with the House Select Committee in 1978? 1702 01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:30,659 George Joannides. 1703 01:20:30,700 --> 01:20:32,536 He was the case officer 1704 01:20:32,577 --> 01:20:34,454 for the Cuban students 1705 01:20:34,496 --> 01:20:37,040 who had a series of encounters with Oswald 1706 01:20:37,082 --> 01:20:38,750 before the assassination. 1707 01:20:38,792 --> 01:20:41,169 And then, 13 years later, 1708 01:20:41,211 --> 01:20:44,005 when Congress reopens the investigation, 1709 01:20:44,047 --> 01:20:46,800 the CIA calls Joannides out of retirement, 1710 01:20:46,842 --> 01:20:49,010 and make him the point person 1711 01:20:49,052 --> 01:20:51,221 to deal with the Congressional investigators 1712 01:20:51,263 --> 01:20:53,014 who are looking into the CIA's 1713 01:20:53,056 --> 01:20:55,851 possible role in the assassination. 1714 01:20:55,892 --> 01:20:58,061 The HSCA knew nothing about this, 1715 01:20:58,103 --> 01:20:59,896 and I went to Bob Blakey, 1716 01:20:59,938 --> 01:21:02,524 the head of the HSCA investigation, 1717 01:21:02,566 --> 01:21:04,860 and I said, "Bob, did you ever know this guy, Joannides?" 1718 01:21:04,901 --> 01:21:06,862 And he said, "Yeah, you know, we dealt with him a lot. 1719 01:21:06,903 --> 01:21:08,530 He was the liaison." 1720 01:21:08,572 --> 01:21:11,241 And I said, "Did you know what he was doing in 1963?" 1721 01:21:11,283 --> 01:21:13,493 And he said, "He wasn't doing anything in 1963. 1722 01:21:13,535 --> 01:21:15,036 "We had an agreement with the CIA 1723 01:21:15,078 --> 01:21:16,371 "that nobody who was operational 1724 01:21:16,413 --> 01:21:18,206 "at the time of the assassination 1725 01:21:18,248 --> 01:21:20,375 would be involved in the investigation." 1726 01:21:20,417 --> 01:21:24,045 And I said, "Bob, Joannides was running those Cubans 1727 01:21:24,087 --> 01:21:26,548 "who were in touch with Oswald. He was running the Cubans 1728 01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:28,758 "who were blaming Castro for the assassination. 1729 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,470 "He was Dick Helms' hand-picked man in Miami, 1730 01:21:32,512 --> 01:21:35,557 "controlling the group that had the most to do with Oswald 1731 01:21:35,599 --> 01:21:37,475 "before and after the assassination. 1732 01:21:37,517 --> 01:21:39,853 And then he came along and he stonewalled you." 1733 01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:42,355 The reason why they brought Joannides in to do it 1734 01:21:42,397 --> 01:21:45,525 was to hide the connection to Oswald. 1735 01:21:45,567 --> 01:21:47,944 He was definitely shocked because 1736 01:21:47,986 --> 01:21:50,488 he saw just how clever they had been. 1737 01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:53,450 They had gone right to the heart of his investigation, 1738 01:21:53,491 --> 01:21:55,285 and figured out how to paralyze it. 1739 01:21:55,327 --> 01:21:57,203 I remember that he said, you know, 1740 01:21:57,245 --> 01:22:00,457 "I'll never believe anything the CIA tells me again." 1741 01:22:02,667 --> 01:22:05,086 [Goldberg] Even the Assassination Records Review Board 1742 01:22:05,128 --> 01:22:09,090 had trouble getting documents from government agencies. 1743 01:22:09,132 --> 01:22:12,469 What were some of your difficulties working with the CIA? 1744 01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:16,556 One of the censors at the CIA was at a meeting with us, 1745 01:22:16,598 --> 01:22:20,143 and there was a document that we put up on the screen 1746 01:22:20,185 --> 01:22:21,978 and said, "We are prepared to release it." 1747 01:22:22,854 --> 01:22:24,272 And I asked him, you know, 1748 01:22:24,314 --> 01:22:26,608 "Tell us why we shouldn't release this record?" 1749 01:22:26,650 --> 01:22:29,277 And it was silence for about two minutes. 1750 01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:32,322 And he finally said, "I know there is a reason, 1751 01:22:32,364 --> 01:22:34,908 I just can't think of what it is." 1752 01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:37,827 [Goldberg] In late 1992, 1753 01:22:37,869 --> 01:22:41,081 a month after the Records Act was passed, 1754 01:22:41,122 --> 01:22:44,584 the Secret Service began its compliance plan. 1755 01:22:44,626 --> 01:22:47,629 But by January of 1995, 1756 01:22:47,671 --> 01:22:51,758 it had begun destroying important documents. 1757 01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,594 The destruction of records is actually referenced 1758 01:22:54,636 --> 01:22:59,391 in the Assassination Records Review Board final, uh, report. 1759 01:22:59,432 --> 01:23:02,519 Very, um, very disappointing. 1760 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,688 Uh, they were records that related to trips 1761 01:23:04,729 --> 01:23:09,442 that President Kennedy had taken, uh, in the fall of 1963 1762 01:23:09,484 --> 01:23:12,112 prior to him going to Dallas. 1763 01:23:12,153 --> 01:23:14,698 [John R. Tunheim] There were many threats made to President Kennedy's life 1764 01:23:14,739 --> 01:23:16,866 during the year 1963. 1765 01:23:16,908 --> 01:23:18,493 They're called threat sheets. 1766 01:23:18,535 --> 01:23:20,286 And the Secret Service fought us 1767 01:23:20,328 --> 01:23:22,539 on release of those records. 1768 01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:23,999 They even enlisted 1769 01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,543 Vice President Gore's wife to help them, 1770 01:23:26,584 --> 01:23:29,170 because she had a very legitimate concern 1771 01:23:29,212 --> 01:23:31,047 for mental health records. 1772 01:23:31,089 --> 01:23:34,300 And the idea was that this might disclose the names of people 1773 01:23:34,342 --> 01:23:36,261 who had mental health problems. 1774 01:23:36,302 --> 01:23:39,389 In the end, when we required agencies to disclose, 1775 01:23:39,431 --> 01:23:41,349 to swear under oath that they had 1776 01:23:41,391 --> 01:23:43,560 located all assassination records, 1777 01:23:43,601 --> 01:23:45,687 had turned everything over to us, 1778 01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:49,941 the Secret Service refused to sign the document under oath. 1779 01:23:49,983 --> 01:23:51,234 I think that was telling. 1780 01:23:53,111 --> 01:23:55,822 [Goldberg] Few people knew that there had been at least 1781 01:23:55,864 --> 01:24:00,410 two prior plots to kill President Kennedy in 1963. 1782 01:24:00,452 --> 01:24:03,246 One was in Chicago on November 2nd. 1783 01:24:03,288 --> 01:24:07,042 The second was in Tampa on November 18th. 1784 01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:09,753 Kennedy ended up not going to Chicago. 1785 01:24:09,794 --> 01:24:11,421 Tell us about that plot. 1786 01:24:11,463 --> 01:24:14,924 An informant, on October 31st, 1787 01:24:14,966 --> 01:24:19,220 an informant named Lee gave a warning to the FBI 1788 01:24:19,262 --> 01:24:22,265 stating that four Cubans 1789 01:24:22,307 --> 01:24:24,768 were headed to Chicago to shoot Kennedy. 1790 01:24:24,809 --> 01:24:28,521 The following day, a landlady reported to the Chicago police 1791 01:24:28,563 --> 01:24:31,232 that she had rented a room to four people 1792 01:24:31,274 --> 01:24:33,276 that had rifles with telescopic sights 1793 01:24:33,318 --> 01:24:35,403 and a sketch of the motorcade. 1794 01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:38,573 The FBI passed that on to the Secret Service, 1795 01:24:38,615 --> 01:24:41,868 and the Secret Service botched the surveillance 1796 01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:43,286 of these four individuals. 1797 01:24:43,328 --> 01:24:44,871 Two of them escaped, 1798 01:24:44,913 --> 01:24:47,165 but they actually picked up two of the snipers, 1799 01:24:47,207 --> 01:24:48,500 and they detained them. 1800 01:24:48,541 --> 01:24:50,627 They were stonewalled by the snipers. 1801 01:24:50,668 --> 01:24:52,462 They didn't get any information out of them. 1802 01:24:52,504 --> 01:24:56,091 While this was going on, there was another threat coming in 1803 01:24:56,132 --> 01:25:01,054 from another alternate patsy named Thomas Arthur Vallee, 1804 01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:02,597 who was making open and loud threats 1805 01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:04,933 that he would assassinate Kennedy. 1806 01:25:04,974 --> 01:25:08,770 They only picked him up when Kennedy canceled his trip, 1807 01:25:08,812 --> 01:25:12,398 on November 2nd at 10:00 in the morning. 1808 01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:16,653 What you found in Vallee and the whole Chicago plot 1809 01:25:16,694 --> 01:25:20,740 is so many similarities to what eventually happened in Dallas 1810 01:25:20,782 --> 01:25:23,493 that it can't be considered coincidental. 1811 01:25:23,535 --> 01:25:28,081 Vallee, if we compare him to Oswald, is an ex-Marine. 1812 01:25:28,123 --> 01:25:30,917 He had been posted, like Oswald, in the Far East 1813 01:25:30,959 --> 01:25:34,129 on a station that was linked to the CIA 1814 01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:37,173 because there were U-2 surveillance planes on it. 1815 01:25:37,215 --> 01:25:41,177 It was easy to portray him as disgruntled, anti-Kennedy, 1816 01:25:41,219 --> 01:25:42,971 a loner, armed. 1817 01:25:43,012 --> 01:25:45,723 Uh, he had another intelligence link 1818 01:25:45,765 --> 01:25:48,351 that he shared with Oswald. 1819 01:25:48,393 --> 01:25:51,062 He trained Cuban exiles for combat, 1820 01:25:51,104 --> 01:25:53,857 which was a CIA responsibility. 1821 01:25:53,898 --> 01:25:56,901 And Oswald, we know, at least offered to do that. 1822 01:25:56,943 --> 01:26:01,072 He most likely did train Cuban exiles, but we know he tried to. 1823 01:26:01,114 --> 01:26:03,575 Oswald, as we know, was moved 1824 01:26:03,616 --> 01:26:07,162 from New Orleans to Dallas in October 1825 01:26:07,203 --> 01:26:08,830 to be there just at the right time... 1826 01:26:09,706 --> 01:26:11,249 for the motorcade. 1827 01:26:11,291 --> 01:26:14,335 And he's placed in a tall building, where he gets a job. 1828 01:26:14,377 --> 01:26:17,589 He's adjacent to the perfect kill zone. 1829 01:26:17,630 --> 01:26:20,508 Now, if we look at what happened to, uh, Vallee, 1830 01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:23,469 he's moved like a pawn, in August, 1831 01:26:23,511 --> 01:26:26,389 from Long Island to Chicago 1832 01:26:26,431 --> 01:26:28,224 to be there in time for the motorcade. 1833 01:26:28,266 --> 01:26:29,851 And where does he get a job? 1834 01:26:29,893 --> 01:26:33,188 In a tall building adjacent to the motorcade 1835 01:26:33,229 --> 01:26:35,857 with a perfect view of a kill zone. 1836 01:26:35,899 --> 01:26:38,484 It would have forced Kennedy's motorcade 1837 01:26:38,526 --> 01:26:40,737 to do a sharp turn, slow down, 1838 01:26:40,778 --> 01:26:42,197 and be in a point 1839 01:26:42,238 --> 01:26:45,033 where you could've had perfect triangulation of fire. 1840 01:26:45,074 --> 01:26:46,659 And what about the trip to Florida? 1841 01:26:46,701 --> 01:26:48,244 On November 18th, 1842 01:26:48,286 --> 01:26:50,371 Kennedy was scheduled 1843 01:26:50,413 --> 01:26:52,957 to do a 27-mile-long motorcade in Tampa. 1844 01:26:52,999 --> 01:26:57,462 Secret Service was very nervous about the Floridian Hotel 1845 01:26:57,503 --> 01:26:59,214 where the motorcade would've gone by. 1846 01:26:59,255 --> 01:27:00,757 It would have forced a sharp turn. 1847 01:27:00,798 --> 01:27:03,593 Nobody fired away at him. But in this case, 1848 01:27:03,635 --> 01:27:08,181 the patsy would've been a Gilbert Policarpo Lopez. 1849 01:27:08,223 --> 01:27:09,891 He was a Cuban exile. 1850 01:27:09,933 --> 01:27:13,895 He attended Fair Play for Cuba Committee meetings. 1851 01:27:13,937 --> 01:27:16,773 And what do you think was the relevance of it? 1852 01:27:16,814 --> 01:27:19,734 [Paul Bleau] Well, if he had been assassinated in Tampa, 1853 01:27:19,776 --> 01:27:22,904 Lopez, he would've been the, uh, potential patsy, 1854 01:27:22,946 --> 01:27:26,115 if they had to admit to a front shot... 1855 01:27:26,157 --> 01:27:28,409 because Oswald was behind. 1856 01:27:28,451 --> 01:27:32,247 There were rumors that he had assisted Oswald 1857 01:27:32,288 --> 01:27:34,082 in the assassination in Dallas. 1858 01:27:34,123 --> 01:27:37,210 Had anyone-- anyone tried to speak to the Warren Commission 1859 01:27:37,252 --> 01:27:38,878 about these incidents? 1860 01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,713 [Bleau] Abraham Bolden 1861 01:27:40,755 --> 01:27:43,341 was the first Black Secret Service agent 1862 01:27:43,383 --> 01:27:45,385 assigned to the White House detail, 1863 01:27:45,426 --> 01:27:47,428 and he was hand-picked by Kennedy. 1864 01:27:47,470 --> 01:27:50,139 He was in Chicago, uh, when this plot went down. 1865 01:27:50,181 --> 01:27:53,810 So he was there when the Secret Service was briefed 1866 01:27:53,851 --> 01:27:55,561 about the four snipers. 1867 01:27:55,603 --> 01:27:57,772 And he witnessed how much 1868 01:27:57,814 --> 01:28:00,942 the security was lax for Chicago. 1869 01:28:00,984 --> 01:28:04,279 And he also witnessed, after the assassination, 1870 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,531 the steps that were taken to keep 1871 01:28:06,572 --> 01:28:09,242 the Chicago plot completely secret. 1872 01:28:09,284 --> 01:28:11,494 No paper trail, compartmentalized, 1873 01:28:11,536 --> 01:28:14,247 agents ordered to keep silent about it. 1874 01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:17,208 This information did not make its way 1875 01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:19,419 to Secret Service agents 1876 01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:21,504 that were protecting Kennedy 1877 01:28:21,546 --> 01:28:23,965 for future motorcades, including Dallas. 1878 01:28:24,007 --> 01:28:26,050 [Goldberg] Secret Service Agent Elmer Moore 1879 01:28:26,092 --> 01:28:30,722 was aware of Agent Bolden and the Chicago plot. 1880 01:28:30,763 --> 01:28:33,766 I met with Elmer three times face-to-face, 1881 01:28:33,808 --> 01:28:37,020 several phone calls, very short, one very long one. 1882 01:28:37,061 --> 01:28:40,898 I first asked him, "Did you ever interview 1883 01:28:40,940 --> 01:28:42,608 Thomas Arthur Vallee?" 1884 01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:44,569 And he says, "Oh, Washington 1885 01:28:44,610 --> 01:28:46,696 wouldn't let me see the files on that." 1886 01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:49,282 I said, "Oh, well, what about a man, 1887 01:28:49,324 --> 01:28:51,951 a Secret Service agent by the name of Abraham Bolden?" 1888 01:28:53,411 --> 01:28:55,830 His demeanor completely changed. 1889 01:28:55,872 --> 01:28:59,667 He stood up from his chair, he pulled out his revolver, 1890 01:28:59,709 --> 01:29:02,837 and he put it on the table right in front of me. 1891 01:29:02,879 --> 01:29:05,506 He leaned over the table and he says, 1892 01:29:05,548 --> 01:29:08,718 "Jim, tell me right now, who are you working for?" 1893 01:29:11,387 --> 01:29:14,349 I said, "I'm an independent researcher." 1894 01:29:14,974 --> 01:29:16,017 He told me... 1895 01:29:18,519 --> 01:29:19,937 in a very loud voice... 1896 01:29:21,731 --> 01:29:24,484 and with a very stern look on his face, 1897 01:29:24,525 --> 01:29:27,362 "We finally got him." 1898 01:29:27,403 --> 01:29:29,197 [Bleau] Abraham Bolden was one person 1899 01:29:29,238 --> 01:29:31,074 who did try to say what he knew 1900 01:29:31,115 --> 01:29:34,160 to the Warren Commission, but they blocked him. 1901 01:29:34,202 --> 01:29:35,703 He was blocked from talking 1902 01:29:35,745 --> 01:29:39,415 and eventually railroaded into some phony crime 1903 01:29:39,457 --> 01:29:41,459 and put into jail for a number of years. 1904 01:29:45,922 --> 01:29:48,758 [Stone] The National Archives is home to forensic evidence 1905 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,010 of Kennedy's assassination, 1906 01:29:51,052 --> 01:29:54,389 and government files regarding Lee Harvey Oswald. 1907 01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:56,849 But the Review Board also declassified 1908 01:29:56,891 --> 01:29:59,185 many documents regarding Kennedy's plans 1909 01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:01,062 for withdrawal from Vietnam, 1910 01:30:01,104 --> 01:30:03,481 and how he planned to shape his progressive, 1911 01:30:03,523 --> 01:30:06,484 new American foreign policy. 1912 01:30:06,526 --> 01:30:08,903 A policy that, if put in motion, 1913 01:30:08,945 --> 01:30:12,407 would completely derail plans secretly already set up 1914 01:30:12,448 --> 01:30:14,450 by the Pentagon and the CIA. 1915 01:30:19,622 --> 01:30:22,917 I never realized Kennedy was so dangerous to the establishment. 1916 01:30:24,335 --> 01:30:26,421 Is that why? 1917 01:30:26,462 --> 01:30:27,922 That's the real question, isn't it? 1918 01:30:27,964 --> 01:30:29,382 "Why?" 1919 01:30:29,424 --> 01:30:33,678 The "how" and the "who" is just scenery for the public. 1920 01:30:33,719 --> 01:30:37,056 Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, the Mafia, 1921 01:30:37,098 --> 01:30:39,142 keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlor game. 1922 01:30:39,183 --> 01:30:42,562 Prevents 'em from asking the most important question: "Why?" 1923 01:30:42,603 --> 01:30:45,815 Why was Kennedy killed? Who benefited? 1924 01:30:45,857 --> 01:30:47,483 Who has the power to cover it up? 1925 01:30:48,192 --> 01:30:49,110 Who? 1926 01:30:51,696 --> 01:30:53,322 [Donald Sutherland] His first year in office, 1927 01:30:53,364 --> 01:30:56,951 Kennedy must shape his own policy as President, 1928 01:30:56,993 --> 01:31:00,455 sometimes in conflict with what his predecessors have done, 1929 01:31:00,496 --> 01:31:03,499 especially in foreign policy. 1930 01:31:03,541 --> 01:31:08,963 And by the fall of 1963, Kennedy had made many enemies. 1931 01:31:09,005 --> 01:31:12,842 He was working on an American withdrawal from Vietnam. 1932 01:31:12,884 --> 01:31:16,179 An upcoming State visit to Indonesia in '64. 1933 01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:20,433 An independent, unified democracy in the Congo. 1934 01:31:20,475 --> 01:31:24,061 Through Nasser, a balanced policy in the Middle East. 1935 01:31:24,103 --> 01:31:27,315 Normalization of relations with Cuba. 1936 01:31:27,356 --> 01:31:30,318 And a détente with Russia. 1937 01:31:30,359 --> 01:31:33,529 Even going so far as to offer them a joint mission to the moon. 1938 01:31:34,697 --> 01:31:37,825 But back in April of 1961, 1939 01:31:37,867 --> 01:31:41,162 the first stain on his administration asserted itself. 1940 01:31:43,206 --> 01:31:46,209 Kennedy, who had campaigned as a strong anti-Communist, 1941 01:31:46,250 --> 01:31:49,128 signed off on the Bay of Pigs invasion plan. 1942 01:31:49,170 --> 01:31:50,713 His approval of the plan 1943 01:31:50,755 --> 01:31:53,090 contained two distinct limitations. 1944 01:31:53,132 --> 01:31:55,885 America would supply arms and equipment, 1945 01:31:55,927 --> 01:31:59,055 but there would be no Americans in the landing force. 1946 01:31:59,096 --> 01:32:01,557 Second, after preliminary air strikes 1947 01:32:01,599 --> 01:32:03,643 by Cuban exile pilots, 1948 01:32:03,684 --> 01:32:05,728 there would only be further strikes 1949 01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:08,064 after the invasion secured an airfield. 1950 01:32:09,732 --> 01:32:11,567 Dulles believed that Kennedy would, 1951 01:32:11,609 --> 01:32:13,736 like Eisenhower, support the operation 1952 01:32:13,778 --> 01:32:17,406 with direct US military intervention if needed, 1953 01:32:17,448 --> 01:32:20,826 all the while assuring him it would not be necessary. 1954 01:32:21,953 --> 01:32:23,913 Well, first, I want to say that 1955 01:32:23,955 --> 01:32:26,582 there will not be, under any conditions, 1956 01:32:26,624 --> 01:32:29,585 be an intervention in Cuba by United States armed forces. 1957 01:32:46,852 --> 01:32:49,188 [Sutherland] The invasion was a disaster. 1958 01:32:49,230 --> 01:32:52,441 Victory has 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan. 1959 01:32:52,483 --> 01:32:54,402 Further statements, uh... 1960 01:32:54,443 --> 01:32:56,612 detailed, uh, discussions, 1961 01:32:58,072 --> 01:33:01,450 are not to, uh, conceal responsibility 1962 01:33:01,492 --> 01:33:04,287 because I'm the responsible officer of the Government. 1963 01:33:04,328 --> 01:33:07,623 [Sutherland] In public, Kennedy accepted the blame. 1964 01:33:07,665 --> 01:33:09,584 In private, he and his brother suspected 1965 01:33:09,625 --> 01:33:12,378 they had been lied to by the CIA. 1966 01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:16,799 Allen Dulles confessed that the mission was bound to fail 1967 01:33:16,841 --> 01:33:18,759 as it was planned by the CIA, 1968 01:33:18,801 --> 01:33:21,137 without US military support. 1969 01:33:21,178 --> 01:33:23,472 He confessed this while, uh, preparing 1970 01:33:23,514 --> 01:33:25,641 an article for Harper's Magazine 1971 01:33:25,683 --> 01:33:27,727 with the young editor, Willie Morris, 1972 01:33:27,768 --> 01:33:31,606 that he couldn't have done this with his small group of exiles, 1973 01:33:31,647 --> 01:33:33,065 his Cuban brigade. 1974 01:33:33,107 --> 01:33:36,110 He needed the Marines and the Air Force to go in, 1975 01:33:36,152 --> 01:33:38,988 and he thought Kennedy was going to be young and pliable, 1976 01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:41,574 and that in the 11th hour, Kennedy would be forced 1977 01:33:41,616 --> 01:33:45,161 to send in, uh, the full might of the US military. 1978 01:33:45,202 --> 01:33:48,581 [Sutherland] While drafting the article in 1965, 1979 01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:50,416 Dulles told his editor, 1980 01:33:50,458 --> 01:33:54,170 "That Kennedy-- He thought he was a God." 1981 01:33:54,211 --> 01:33:56,422 [David Talbot] Jack Kennedy did stand firm. 1982 01:33:56,464 --> 01:33:58,215 He did not send in the military. 1983 01:33:58,257 --> 01:34:01,218 He did not make it an even bigger global crisis 1984 01:34:01,260 --> 01:34:02,511 than it already was. 1985 01:34:02,553 --> 01:34:04,889 Kennedy is just furious. 1986 01:34:04,930 --> 01:34:06,474 He knows he's been lied to, 1987 01:34:06,515 --> 01:34:10,728 deceived by his senior military and intelligence advisers. 1988 01:34:10,770 --> 01:34:15,149 He announces that the agency, uh, is going to be downsized. 1989 01:34:15,191 --> 01:34:18,319 And he vows famously, he tells friends 1990 01:34:18,361 --> 01:34:21,364 he's going to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces 1991 01:34:21,405 --> 01:34:23,866 and scatter it to the winds. 1992 01:34:23,908 --> 01:34:27,620 It wasn't just the Bay of Pigs that angered President Kennedy 1993 01:34:27,662 --> 01:34:29,288 when it came to the CIA. 1994 01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:33,042 In that same month, in April of 1961, 1995 01:34:33,084 --> 01:34:37,046 he was also being lied to about a coup in France, 1996 01:34:37,088 --> 01:34:38,714 a military coup that was aimed at 1997 01:34:38,756 --> 01:34:41,384 overthrowing President Charles de Gaulle, 1998 01:34:41,425 --> 01:34:43,886 one of our strongest allies. 1999 01:34:43,928 --> 01:34:45,805 [Sutherland] Allen Dulles, who had a long history 2000 01:34:45,846 --> 01:34:48,349 of antagonism with de Gaulle, 2001 01:34:48,391 --> 01:34:49,809 falsely reported to Kennedy 2002 01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:52,395 that the vast majority of the French military 2003 01:34:52,436 --> 01:34:55,064 was staunchly opposed to de Gaulle's support 2004 01:34:55,106 --> 01:34:58,484 of Algerian self-determination. 2005 01:34:58,526 --> 01:35:02,988 What he didn't tell him was that as far back as 1959, 2006 01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:06,200 the CIA had discussed his overthrow. 2007 01:35:06,242 --> 01:35:09,995 This coup attempt, orchestrated by four French generals, 2008 01:35:10,037 --> 01:35:11,664 was quickly put down. 2009 01:35:11,706 --> 01:35:15,668 And several news reports pointed to Allen Dulles' hand 2010 01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:18,087 in supporting the episode. 2011 01:35:18,129 --> 01:35:20,423 JFK assures the French ambassador, 2012 01:35:20,464 --> 01:35:22,258 "I have nothing to do with this. 2013 01:35:22,299 --> 01:35:25,428 I stand in full support of President de Gaulle." 2014 01:35:25,469 --> 01:35:27,930 But he says something very, very alarming. 2015 01:35:27,972 --> 01:35:31,392 He tells the French ambassador, President Kennedy, 2016 01:35:31,434 --> 01:35:35,062 that "I'm not in full control, though, of my entire government. 2017 01:35:35,104 --> 01:35:37,273 "I'm not in control of the CIA 2018 01:35:37,314 --> 01:35:39,734 and I can't speak for what's happening there." 2019 01:35:39,775 --> 01:35:43,362 That's a stunning admission for a US President to make. 2020 01:35:44,989 --> 01:35:46,824 [Sutherland] In 1960, 2021 01:35:46,866 --> 01:35:49,744 the Congo had been granted its independence 2022 01:35:49,785 --> 01:35:51,454 from Belgian colonial rule 2023 01:35:51,495 --> 01:35:54,749 and carried out a democratic election. 2024 01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:57,126 In the disorder of the transition, 2025 01:35:57,168 --> 01:36:00,045 the Belgians, backed by England and France, 2026 01:36:00,087 --> 01:36:02,840 sought to eliminate its charismatic Prime Minister, 2027 01:36:02,882 --> 01:36:05,050 Patrice Lumumba. 2028 01:36:05,092 --> 01:36:08,345 Eisenhower and CIA Director Allen Dulles 2029 01:36:08,387 --> 01:36:12,850 favored the European nation in this colonial conflict. 2030 01:36:12,892 --> 01:36:17,313 Eisenhower gave the go-ahead to have Lumumba assassinated. 2031 01:36:18,397 --> 01:36:19,648 Kennedy never knew this. 2032 01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:24,445 He gets elected the following November of 1960, 2033 01:36:24,487 --> 01:36:27,823 and he heads in the opposite direction. 2034 01:36:27,865 --> 01:36:29,742 To those new states whom we welcome 2035 01:36:29,784 --> 01:36:32,578 to the ranks of the free, 2036 01:36:32,620 --> 01:36:38,584 we pledge our word that one form of colonial control 2037 01:36:38,626 --> 01:36:41,420 shall not have passed away 2038 01:36:41,462 --> 01:36:46,300 merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. 2039 01:36:46,342 --> 01:36:48,636 [Sutherland] But events are already in motion. 2040 01:36:48,677 --> 01:36:52,139 With the backing of British and US intelligence and arms, 2041 01:36:52,181 --> 01:36:56,060 Col. Joseph Mobutu's forces captured President Lumumba 2042 01:36:56,101 --> 01:36:59,355 at the beginning of December 1960. 2043 01:36:59,396 --> 01:37:01,023 [Richard Mahoney] Dag Hammarskjold, 2044 01:37:01,065 --> 01:37:04,151 the UN Secretary General, calls JFK, 2045 01:37:04,193 --> 01:37:06,445 uh, who's the President-elect at this point, 2046 01:37:06,487 --> 01:37:08,239 and asked him to intercede 2047 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,116 to get Lumumba released from prison. 2048 01:37:11,158 --> 01:37:15,204 When Kennedy intervenes to save Lumumba, 2049 01:37:15,246 --> 01:37:18,499 that's a signal directly to the CIA 2050 01:37:18,541 --> 01:37:21,710 that they have to dispatch this guy immediately. 2051 01:37:21,752 --> 01:37:26,173 And so 48 hours before Kennedy takes the oath of office, 2052 01:37:26,215 --> 01:37:29,385 Lumumba is delivered into the hands of his enemies. 2053 01:37:29,426 --> 01:37:31,637 He's taken out and shot in the head. 2054 01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:34,640 Kennedy doesn't know this until months later. 2055 01:37:34,682 --> 01:37:36,016 Who finally tells him? 2056 01:37:36,058 --> 01:37:38,686 The CIA? No, they still keep it a secret. 2057 01:37:38,727 --> 01:37:42,439 He's informed by his UN ambassador, Adlai Stevenson. 2058 01:37:42,481 --> 01:37:45,067 His face crumples, he's holding his hand, 2059 01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:47,111 he's grimacing in anguish, 2060 01:37:47,152 --> 01:37:51,156 hearing about the assassination of Patrice Lumumba. 2061 01:37:51,198 --> 01:37:52,408 [Sutherland] Within a very short 2062 01:37:52,449 --> 01:37:54,743 period of time after the assassination, 2063 01:37:54,785 --> 01:37:58,956 Hammarskjold died in a mysterious plane crash. 2064 01:37:58,998 --> 01:38:00,791 The photographs show his body 2065 01:38:00,833 --> 01:38:03,627 as the only one not burned or charred, 2066 01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:07,882 and he had a playing card, reportedly the ace of spades, 2067 01:38:07,923 --> 01:38:11,886 stuffed into his shirt collar above the knot of the tie. 2068 01:38:11,927 --> 01:38:13,929 There are controversial documents 2069 01:38:13,971 --> 01:38:15,973 that indicate Allen Dulles 2070 01:38:16,015 --> 01:38:18,100 was involved in the sabotage of the plane. 2071 01:38:20,603 --> 01:38:22,521 [Lisa Pease] John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, 2072 01:38:22,563 --> 01:38:25,024 they felt, you know, what they had to say 2073 01:38:25,065 --> 01:38:27,276 was good enough for the rest of the world, 2074 01:38:27,318 --> 01:38:29,069 that they knew more than the President. 2075 01:38:29,111 --> 01:38:31,155 There were things they didn't tell Eisenhower 2076 01:38:31,196 --> 01:38:34,033 that they were doing under his administration. 2077 01:38:34,074 --> 01:38:36,160 [Talbot] And actually, Jack Kennedy 2078 01:38:36,201 --> 01:38:39,538 does move to decapitate the top of the CIA. 2079 01:38:39,580 --> 01:38:41,790 He lets it be known that Allen Dulles, 2080 01:38:41,832 --> 01:38:43,959 as well as his two top advisers, 2081 01:38:44,001 --> 01:38:45,461 Richard Bissell, 2082 01:38:45,502 --> 01:38:47,922 who is also very involved with the Bay of Pigs, 2083 01:38:47,963 --> 01:38:49,673 and General Cabell, 2084 01:38:49,715 --> 01:38:52,384 who was, uh, the right-hand man to Allen Dulles. 2085 01:38:52,426 --> 01:38:54,553 So the top three people in the CIA, 2086 01:38:54,595 --> 01:38:58,432 Kennedy forces them out before the end of the year. 2087 01:38:58,474 --> 01:39:01,310 Have you ever committed any act of violence in your life? 2088 01:39:04,396 --> 01:39:05,397 No. 2089 01:39:07,441 --> 01:39:09,109 [Sutherland] The existence of communism 2090 01:39:09,151 --> 01:39:10,903 so close to American shores 2091 01:39:10,945 --> 01:39:13,906 kept Cuba on Kennedy's plate. 2092 01:39:13,948 --> 01:39:16,992 And the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented a plan to Kennedy 2093 01:39:17,034 --> 01:39:19,161 called Operation Northwoods, 2094 01:39:19,203 --> 01:39:21,622 whereby the CIA would secretly perform 2095 01:39:21,664 --> 01:39:24,124 terrorist acts in the United States 2096 01:39:24,166 --> 01:39:26,126 and blame them on Castro 2097 01:39:26,168 --> 01:39:29,338 to justify bombings and an invasion of Cuba. 2098 01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:31,340 And you see all these plans 2099 01:39:31,382 --> 01:39:33,926 being sent to McNamara and to Kennedy. 2100 01:39:33,968 --> 01:39:35,302 [Horne] "Fake an attack by Cubans 2101 01:39:35,344 --> 01:39:37,096 against the Guantanamo Bay sentries. 2102 01:39:37,137 --> 01:39:39,598 Sink a US ship in Guantanamo Bay 2103 01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:41,016 and blame it on Cuba." 2104 01:39:41,058 --> 01:39:45,521 The one that scares me the most was very sophisticated. 2105 01:39:45,562 --> 01:39:49,566 Uh, take an airliner and fly it as a drone over Cuba 2106 01:39:49,608 --> 01:39:50,985 without any people in it, 2107 01:39:51,026 --> 01:39:52,319 with a tape-recording that would play, 2108 01:39:52,361 --> 01:39:54,029 "We're under attack by Cuban aircraft! 2109 01:39:54,071 --> 01:39:55,948 'Oh, my God, they're going to kill us!" 2110 01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:57,199 Blow up the airplane! 2111 01:39:57,241 --> 01:39:58,951 Blow up this huge drone 2112 01:39:58,993 --> 01:40:02,538 and use that to start a war. 2113 01:40:02,579 --> 01:40:05,040 [Sutherland] The President declined the recommendation. 2114 01:40:06,333 --> 01:40:08,168 The Northwoods plan was our big find 2115 01:40:08,210 --> 01:40:09,878 in the way of military records. 2116 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,130 They are universally recognized today 2117 01:40:11,171 --> 01:40:12,673 for their importance. 2118 01:40:12,715 --> 01:40:14,967 It's one of those releases that the Review Board members, 2119 01:40:15,009 --> 01:40:18,137 the board members themselves were justifiably proud of 2120 01:40:18,178 --> 01:40:20,139 that came out of the JFK Records Act. 2121 01:40:22,266 --> 01:40:24,685 [Stone] In addition to the problems with the CIA, 2122 01:40:24,727 --> 01:40:27,938 Kennedy's own military advisers started pressuring him 2123 01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:29,606 to send troops to Vietnam. 2124 01:40:29,648 --> 01:40:31,483 A country that Kennedy had visited 2125 01:40:31,525 --> 01:40:33,652 10 years earlier as a Congressman, 2126 01:40:33,694 --> 01:40:36,238 and witnessed firsthand how the French 2127 01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:37,865 were losing their war 2128 01:40:37,906 --> 01:40:41,243 against the Viet Minh in the fight for independence. 2129 01:40:41,285 --> 01:40:42,578 Once he became President, 2130 01:40:42,619 --> 01:40:46,123 Kennedy wanted to avoid the same trap. 2131 01:40:46,165 --> 01:40:49,501 The Vietnam decision is finally arrived at, 2132 01:40:49,543 --> 01:40:51,170 which is NSAM 111, 2133 01:40:51,211 --> 01:40:54,006 where Kennedy says no combat troops 2134 01:40:54,048 --> 01:40:55,924 but will increase the advisers. 2135 01:40:55,966 --> 01:40:58,927 And that was his decision, in the Kennedy presidency. 2136 01:40:58,969 --> 01:41:01,513 never to cross that line. 2137 01:41:03,474 --> 01:41:05,934 [Sutherland] Near the end of his first year in office, 2138 01:41:05,976 --> 01:41:07,561 Kennedy received a report 2139 01:41:07,603 --> 01:41:10,272 from Walt Rostow and General Maxwell Taylor, 2140 01:41:10,314 --> 01:41:12,399 his foreign policy and military advisers, 2141 01:41:12,441 --> 01:41:13,942 that called for increased training 2142 01:41:13,984 --> 01:41:16,070 of South Vietnamese troops, 2143 01:41:16,111 --> 01:41:17,946 increased bombings of the North, 2144 01:41:17,988 --> 01:41:21,116 and the use of US combat troops. 2145 01:41:21,158 --> 01:41:22,785 The influence on Kennedy's reluctance 2146 01:41:22,826 --> 01:41:24,787 to committing ground troops 2147 01:41:24,828 --> 01:41:28,791 was his ambassador to India, John Kenneth Galbraith. 2148 01:41:28,832 --> 01:41:31,835 [James K. Galbraith] My father went to see, uh, Walt Rostow. 2149 01:41:31,877 --> 01:41:33,462 He went in to talk to him. 2150 01:41:33,504 --> 01:41:37,299 Rostow gestured on his desk to the, uh, pile of papers. 2151 01:41:37,341 --> 01:41:40,594 The Rostow Taylor report was plainly visible. 2152 01:41:40,636 --> 01:41:42,596 Uh, my father asked to see it. 2153 01:41:42,638 --> 01:41:44,473 Walt said that his security classification 2154 01:41:44,515 --> 01:41:46,517 wasn't sufficiently high. 2155 01:41:46,558 --> 01:41:48,227 My father did not think that 2156 01:41:48,268 --> 01:41:51,688 Walt Rostow's security classification was higher than his. 2157 01:41:51,730 --> 01:41:54,566 Uh, and at the given moment, uh, the phone rang. 2158 01:41:54,608 --> 01:41:56,610 Walt turned to-- to answer the phone 2159 01:41:56,652 --> 01:41:58,779 and-- and Dad picked up the report 2160 01:41:58,821 --> 01:42:01,824 and walked out of the office and read it. 2161 01:42:01,865 --> 01:42:03,992 [Sutherland] Kennedy sent Galbraith to Saigon 2162 01:42:04,034 --> 01:42:07,079 to write a report that would differ in its recommendations 2163 01:42:07,121 --> 01:42:11,125 from what Taylor and Rostow had given to him. 2164 01:42:11,166 --> 01:42:12,751 Kennedy knew what he wanted 2165 01:42:12,793 --> 01:42:14,419 and he knew what my father would deliver, which he did, 2166 01:42:14,461 --> 01:42:17,089 which is a very detailed and skeptical report 2167 01:42:17,131 --> 01:42:19,842 about the efficiency of the South Vietnamese government, 2168 01:42:19,883 --> 01:42:23,178 about the capacity of any military force 2169 01:42:23,220 --> 01:42:25,681 to prevail in the security situation 2170 01:42:25,722 --> 01:42:28,517 that was in existence in South Vietnam at that time. 2171 01:42:28,559 --> 01:42:30,185 [Sutherland] Kennedy told Galbraith 2172 01:42:30,227 --> 01:42:33,689 to deliver his report to Defense Secretary McNamara, 2173 01:42:33,730 --> 01:42:35,858 and he, in turn, gave instructions 2174 01:42:35,899 --> 01:42:39,027 to begin the withdrawal to General Harkins, 2175 01:42:39,069 --> 01:42:42,614 the commanding General of all forces in Vietnam. 2176 01:42:42,656 --> 01:42:45,784 The Pentagon dragged its feet on formulating plans, 2177 01:42:45,826 --> 01:42:50,706 and McNamara called for a meeting in May of 1963. 2178 01:42:50,747 --> 01:42:53,792 One of the most important finds of the Review Board 2179 01:42:53,834 --> 01:42:56,295 are the notes from this meeting. 2180 01:42:56,336 --> 01:42:58,297 [Horne] McNamara said, "It's not fast enough. 2181 01:42:58,338 --> 01:42:59,715 I want you to accelerate it." 2182 01:42:59,756 --> 01:43:02,092 He says, "I want to pull out 1,000 men, 2183 01:43:02,134 --> 01:43:04,303 uh, in December by the end of the year. 2184 01:43:04,344 --> 01:43:06,388 "And I want you to pull out 2185 01:43:06,430 --> 01:43:08,473 complete units, not just individuals." 2186 01:43:08,515 --> 01:43:10,893 He wanted units to come out. 2187 01:43:10,934 --> 01:43:13,562 [Sutherland] After the withdrawal plan was approved, 2188 01:43:13,604 --> 01:43:16,023 Kennedy sent Secretary of Defense McNamara 2189 01:43:16,064 --> 01:43:20,569 and General Taylor to Saigon in September of '63. 2190 01:43:20,611 --> 01:43:23,405 He planned on using their report as the basis 2191 01:43:23,447 --> 01:43:26,533 to formally order the withdrawal to begin. 2192 01:43:26,575 --> 01:43:28,410 Kennedy controlled the report, 2193 01:43:28,452 --> 01:43:30,037 since it was actually being written 2194 01:43:30,078 --> 01:43:33,248 under the supervision of Bobby Kennedy. 2195 01:43:33,290 --> 01:43:34,917 [Newman] Three days later, 2196 01:43:34,958 --> 01:43:36,501 that leaks out into the newspapers. 2197 01:43:36,543 --> 01:43:39,087 Then his opponents find out. 2198 01:43:39,129 --> 01:43:40,881 And McGeorge Bundy says to Kennedy, "Hey, look, 2199 01:43:40,923 --> 01:43:42,424 "if they're talking about it in the newspapers, 2200 01:43:42,466 --> 01:43:43,800 we might as well put it on paper." 2201 01:43:43,842 --> 01:43:46,053 And they put it, and it was NSAM 263. 2202 01:43:46,094 --> 01:43:49,306 And that's how it was actually written and why. 2203 01:43:49,348 --> 01:43:51,266 Well, here's one of the things 2204 01:43:51,308 --> 01:43:52,893 McNamara said in the secret debrief. 2205 01:43:52,935 --> 01:43:56,438 He said, "We had agreed, the President and I, 2206 01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:58,315 "that we had trained them, 2207 01:43:58,357 --> 01:44:00,150 "we had given them everything we could. 2208 01:44:00,192 --> 01:44:02,778 "And if they couldn't win, too bad. 2209 01:44:02,819 --> 01:44:06,823 We had to get out even if they were going to be defeated." 2210 01:44:06,865 --> 01:44:10,369 So McNamara and Kennedy had decided that they were willing 2211 01:44:10,410 --> 01:44:13,455 to pull out of Vietnam in a losing scenario. 2212 01:44:13,497 --> 01:44:14,623 That's very important. 2213 01:44:15,958 --> 01:44:18,627 But later in that month, McGeorge Bundy, 2214 01:44:18,669 --> 01:44:21,255 who's the National Security Adviser, 2215 01:44:21,296 --> 01:44:23,257 puts together a memo 2216 01:44:23,298 --> 01:44:25,384 based upon the-- the truth about the war, 2217 01:44:25,425 --> 01:44:27,552 which is just going terribly. 2218 01:44:27,594 --> 01:44:30,764 And he does it in a way to try and make sure 2219 01:44:30,806 --> 01:44:32,891 that Kennedy would be able to go along with this. 2220 01:44:32,933 --> 01:44:34,476 [Sutherland] This is reflected in 2221 01:44:34,518 --> 01:44:36,728 the National Security Action Memorandum: 2222 01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:39,606 NSAM 273. 2223 01:44:39,648 --> 01:44:42,859 [Newman] The way Bundy writes the first draft of 273 2224 01:44:42,901 --> 01:44:44,486 is to say, "Look, we need to intensify 2225 01:44:44,528 --> 01:44:47,364 "the war effort against the communists. 2226 01:44:47,406 --> 01:44:49,283 "But the way we're going to do it 2227 01:44:49,324 --> 01:44:51,952 is to increase South Vietnamese forces." 2228 01:44:51,994 --> 01:44:54,454 There's not a word about American forces 2229 01:44:54,496 --> 01:44:56,164 or Americanizing the war. 2230 01:44:58,834 --> 01:45:01,044 While Kennedy's body is still in the casket 2231 01:45:01,086 --> 01:45:03,588 in the rotunda over in the Capitol building, 2232 01:45:03,630 --> 01:45:07,968 is when Johnson changes NSAM 273 to a new version. 2233 01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:10,512 And when it comes to the key paragraph, 2234 01:45:10,554 --> 01:45:12,347 paragraph seven, which just talks about 2235 01:45:12,389 --> 01:45:14,975 how we're going to intensify the war, 2236 01:45:15,017 --> 01:45:16,518 instead of changing a few words, 2237 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,813 there's two big hash marks through that paragraph, 2238 01:45:19,855 --> 01:45:21,440 and it's completely rewritten. 2239 01:45:21,481 --> 01:45:22,858 And I said-- I asked Bundy in an interview, 2240 01:45:22,899 --> 01:45:24,651 I said, "Who told you to do that?" 2241 01:45:24,693 --> 01:45:26,361 He said, "Johnson did." 2242 01:45:26,403 --> 01:45:27,946 [Sutherland] These changes allowed the US 2243 01:45:27,988 --> 01:45:31,033 to unilaterally engage in combat in Vietnam 2244 01:45:31,074 --> 01:45:33,327 rather than simply supporting and advising 2245 01:45:33,368 --> 01:45:34,870 South Vietnamese troops. 2246 01:45:35,829 --> 01:45:37,622 And within days, 2247 01:45:37,664 --> 01:45:40,792 we're talking about sending out the DESOTO missions. 2248 01:45:40,834 --> 01:45:43,462 These-- These naval excursions 2249 01:45:43,503 --> 01:45:46,465 along the coastline of North Vietnam 2250 01:45:46,506 --> 01:45:49,176 that ends up with The Maddox 2251 01:45:49,217 --> 01:45:51,678 and the, and the so-called Tonkin Gulf attacks. 2252 01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,722 And then the resolution in Congress 2253 01:45:53,764 --> 01:45:56,808 opening the door to intervention in Vietnam. 2254 01:45:56,850 --> 01:45:59,478 [Sutherland] In the Review Board's declassifications, 2255 01:45:59,519 --> 01:46:01,772 there's evidence that Johnson was fully aware 2256 01:46:01,813 --> 01:46:04,149 of Kennedy's Vietnam withdrawal plans, 2257 01:46:04,191 --> 01:46:05,817 disagreed with them, 2258 01:46:05,859 --> 01:46:08,737 and worked on Robert McNamara to make him renounce them. 2259 01:46:09,696 --> 01:46:11,531 [Lyndon B. Johnson speaking] 2260 01:46:20,707 --> 01:46:23,126 In retaliation for this unprovoked 2261 01:46:23,168 --> 01:46:25,629 attack on the high seas, 2262 01:46:25,670 --> 01:46:27,839 our forces have struck the bases 2263 01:46:27,881 --> 01:46:31,885 used by the North Vietnamese patrol craft. 2264 01:46:31,927 --> 01:46:34,179 [Sutherland] And as declassified memos have revealed, 2265 01:46:34,221 --> 01:46:35,889 by autumn of 1964, 2266 01:46:35,931 --> 01:46:38,600 during his campaign against Barry Goldwater, 2267 01:46:38,642 --> 01:46:40,727 Johnson had already decided 2268 01:46:40,769 --> 01:46:43,772 that he was going to escalate the Vietnam War. 2269 01:46:43,814 --> 01:46:45,399 In fact, the directive that would become 2270 01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:47,192 the Tonkin Gulf Resolution 2271 01:46:47,234 --> 01:46:51,488 had been written before the Tonkin Gulf Incident itself. 2272 01:46:51,530 --> 01:46:53,281 Three months before the election, 2273 01:46:53,323 --> 01:46:56,910 Johnson had already planned for an extensive air war. 2274 01:46:56,952 --> 01:46:59,746 It was to begin after his inauguration. 2275 01:47:01,373 --> 01:47:05,585 [Johnson] We intend to convince the communists 2276 01:47:05,627 --> 01:47:10,549 that we cannot be defeated by force of arms 2277 01:47:10,590 --> 01:47:12,634 or by superior power. 2278 01:47:17,514 --> 01:47:19,558 [Pease] When news came of Kennedy's death, 2279 01:47:19,599 --> 01:47:21,977 all over the planet, people were mourning 2280 01:47:22,018 --> 01:47:24,813 and crying and going to embassies. 2281 01:47:24,855 --> 01:47:27,149 In Latin America, the people just lit candles 2282 01:47:27,190 --> 01:47:29,568 because they didn't even have electrical power, 2283 01:47:29,609 --> 01:47:31,111 but they wanted to honor his killing. 2284 01:47:31,153 --> 01:47:32,904 In the Yucatan Peninsula, 2285 01:47:32,946 --> 01:47:36,783 peasants cleared an area and planted a peace garden. 2286 01:47:36,825 --> 01:47:38,452 [Philip Muehlenbeck] Nasser learned of Kennedy's death 2287 01:47:38,493 --> 01:47:40,912 in the middle of the night. He got up, dressed, 2288 01:47:40,954 --> 01:47:43,540 went down to his office, and then realized, 2289 01:47:43,582 --> 01:47:45,625 "Well, there's nothing I can do about this." 2290 01:47:45,667 --> 01:47:48,170 According to his son, Nasser went to a-- 2291 01:47:48,211 --> 01:47:51,298 a great state of depression after Kennedy's death. 2292 01:47:51,339 --> 01:47:54,759 Uh, relations with Egypt gradually deteriorated, 2293 01:47:54,801 --> 01:47:57,679 and they increasingly shifted their allegiance 2294 01:47:57,721 --> 01:47:59,473 towards the Soviet Union as well. 2295 01:47:59,514 --> 01:48:03,226 A mass was held in the leading Catholic Church in Cairo, 2296 01:48:03,268 --> 01:48:05,395 which has a capacity of 600. 2297 01:48:05,437 --> 01:48:09,065 They somehow fit 4,000 people into that church. 2298 01:48:09,107 --> 01:48:11,735 Algeria, which had special feeling for Kennedy, 2299 01:48:11,776 --> 01:48:13,945 declared a state of mourning for a week. 2300 01:48:13,987 --> 01:48:17,365 Flags were flown, uh, at half mast. 2301 01:48:17,407 --> 01:48:20,035 The US ambassador to Egypt said 2302 01:48:20,076 --> 01:48:22,913 that he thought the Egyptians had seen in Kennedy 2303 01:48:22,954 --> 01:48:24,831 the best of what they saw in Americans. 2304 01:48:24,873 --> 01:48:28,084 That Kennedy had represented a kind of ideal of America 2305 01:48:28,126 --> 01:48:30,212 to ordinary Egyptians. 2306 01:48:30,253 --> 01:48:32,172 [Sutherland] Castro got the news of Kennedy's death 2307 01:48:32,214 --> 01:48:33,965 while discussing détente 2308 01:48:34,007 --> 01:48:36,593 with the French journalist Jean Daniel. 2309 01:48:36,635 --> 01:48:39,971 He then exclaimed, "This is bad news. 2310 01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:41,973 Everything is now going to change." 2311 01:48:44,392 --> 01:48:47,145 When Khrushchev paid his respects to President Kennedy 2312 01:48:47,187 --> 01:48:49,731 at the American embassy, 2313 01:48:49,773 --> 01:48:52,484 he was reportedly holding back tears. 2314 01:48:54,069 --> 01:48:56,988 Robert Kennedy knew that after his brother's death, 2315 01:48:57,030 --> 01:49:01,451 relations with the Soviet Union hung in the balance. 2316 01:49:01,493 --> 01:49:07,415 My father, he wanted to convey a message to Premier Khrushchev 2317 01:49:07,457 --> 01:49:09,167 saying that our family knew 2318 01:49:09,209 --> 01:49:12,963 that the Soviets were not involved in the assassination. 2319 01:49:13,004 --> 01:49:17,384 That it was a right-wing plot from our own country. 2320 01:49:17,425 --> 01:49:19,553 In other words, the CIA, 2321 01:49:19,594 --> 01:49:21,888 or forces aligned with the CIA. 2322 01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:24,766 [Robert F. Kennedy Jr.] The day that his brother died, 2323 01:49:24,808 --> 01:49:27,852 my father's first phone call 2324 01:49:27,894 --> 01:49:32,983 was to the CIA desk officer at Langley 2325 01:49:33,024 --> 01:49:38,947 and he asked them, "Did your people conduct this horror?" 2326 01:49:41,074 --> 01:49:43,702 [Talbot] We know from how Bobby operated 2327 01:49:43,743 --> 01:49:47,539 that terrible day, November 22nd, 1963, 2328 01:49:47,581 --> 01:49:50,333 at his home in, uh, McLean, Virginia, 2329 01:49:50,375 --> 01:49:55,255 that he immediately suspected there was not a lone gunman. 2330 01:49:55,297 --> 01:49:56,881 Why do we know this? 2331 01:49:56,923 --> 01:49:59,926 Because he was being told by his closest aides, 2332 01:49:59,968 --> 01:50:02,470 people like Kenny O'Donnell and Dave Powers, 2333 01:50:02,512 --> 01:50:03,972 who were in the limousine 2334 01:50:04,014 --> 01:50:06,683 immediately behind President Kennedy's limousine. 2335 01:50:06,725 --> 01:50:08,560 They were both World War II veterans. 2336 01:50:08,602 --> 01:50:11,146 They knew what gunfire sounded like. 2337 01:50:11,187 --> 01:50:13,189 They reported it to him that gunfire 2338 01:50:13,231 --> 01:50:15,483 had not just come from the-- the rear. 2339 01:50:15,525 --> 01:50:17,360 It had come from different sides. 2340 01:50:17,402 --> 01:50:19,779 There was gunfire from the front as well. 2341 01:50:19,821 --> 01:50:22,240 It was a crossfire. 2342 01:50:22,282 --> 01:50:25,118 [Kennedy Jr.] I was in the East Room, 2343 01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:29,456 with my dad and with Jackie and a couple of my siblings, 2344 01:50:29,497 --> 01:50:31,791 and Lyndon Johnson came in, 2345 01:50:31,833 --> 01:50:34,753 and told the adults in the room 2346 01:50:34,794 --> 01:50:37,631 that Lee Harvey Oswald had been killed, 2347 01:50:37,672 --> 01:50:41,092 and that a man had shot him. 2348 01:50:41,134 --> 01:50:44,638 And I said to my dad and mom at that time, 2349 01:50:44,679 --> 01:50:46,097 "Why did he shoot him? 2350 01:50:46,139 --> 01:50:48,642 Did he-- Did he love our family?" 2351 01:50:48,683 --> 01:50:50,268 And the way that they acted 2352 01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:52,979 was that this only compounded the tragedy. 2353 01:50:54,564 --> 01:50:55,940 [Sutherland] Many people at home 2354 01:50:55,982 --> 01:50:57,692 felt that after Kennedy's death, 2355 01:50:57,734 --> 01:51:01,863 a period of depression and cynicism overtook the country, 2356 01:51:01,905 --> 01:51:05,533 and that America was somehow changed forever. 2357 01:51:05,575 --> 01:51:07,202 Our overwhelming disbelief 2358 01:51:07,243 --> 01:51:08,953 in the Warren Commission's findings 2359 01:51:08,995 --> 01:51:11,539 contributed to increased skepticism 2360 01:51:11,581 --> 01:51:14,209 of all our foundational beliefs about government. 2361 01:51:17,003 --> 01:51:20,131 But I think Allen Dulles' appointment to the Warren Commission 2362 01:51:20,173 --> 01:51:23,301 is one of the great frauds of American history. 2363 01:51:23,343 --> 01:51:26,221 I don't think that even if you had 10 more commissions, 2364 01:51:26,262 --> 01:51:27,764 you'd never get away from the idea 2365 01:51:27,806 --> 01:51:29,349 that maybe there was a plot. 2366 01:51:29,391 --> 01:51:31,726 We just didn't find any traces of it. 2367 01:51:31,768 --> 01:51:34,229 What really happened with Allen Dulles was 2368 01:51:34,270 --> 01:51:37,357 the CIA lobbied to have him put on the Commission, 2369 01:51:37,399 --> 01:51:40,068 'cause they needed to have one of their own on the Commission 2370 01:51:40,110 --> 01:51:44,197 to make sure that certain doors remained closed. 2371 01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:49,953 I think there's a direct thread between the events of 1963 2372 01:51:49,994 --> 01:51:52,205 and the kind of horror show 2373 01:51:52,247 --> 01:51:56,292 that America is having to endure right now. 2374 01:51:56,334 --> 01:51:59,170 And I think once you kill a President 2375 01:51:59,212 --> 01:52:01,047 in broad daylight on the streets of an American city, 2376 01:52:01,089 --> 01:52:03,717 and everyone knows that powerful forces did it, 2377 01:52:03,758 --> 01:52:07,595 that sends a signal not only to the American people, 2378 01:52:07,637 --> 01:52:11,349 but to the American media, to the American future leaders. 2379 01:52:11,391 --> 01:52:14,352 And if America really wants a democratic society, 2380 01:52:14,394 --> 01:52:17,856 then we should get to the bottom of this traumatic crime 2381 01:52:17,897 --> 01:52:21,276 that continues to reverberate throughout American history. 2382 01:52:21,317 --> 01:52:24,696 They poll historians, they poll the American people, 2383 01:52:24,738 --> 01:52:27,574 and they say, "Who were the most popular Presidents?" 2384 01:52:27,615 --> 01:52:29,451 Well, one metric that you can use 2385 01:52:29,492 --> 01:52:33,872 to objectively-- at least judge the foreign policy, 2386 01:52:33,913 --> 01:52:36,291 is how many boulevards are named 2387 01:52:36,332 --> 01:52:38,793 after that President in foreign countries? 2388 01:52:38,835 --> 01:52:42,547 How many hospitals, how many colleges, how many schools? 2389 01:52:42,589 --> 01:52:47,051 How many statues are-- are standing of that President 2390 01:52:47,093 --> 01:52:48,970 in capitals all over the world? 2391 01:52:49,012 --> 01:52:51,055 And in that sense, President Kennedy 2392 01:52:51,097 --> 01:52:53,767 beats every other President, hands down. 2393 01:52:56,811 --> 01:52:58,438 [Stone] Although many of Kennedy's 2394 01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:00,648 progressive and unprecedented goals 2395 01:53:00,690 --> 01:53:05,862 and changes in policy were undone after his assassination, 2396 01:53:05,904 --> 01:53:09,491 a few powerful ones remain. 2397 01:53:09,532 --> 01:53:11,284 I think Mr. Kennedy has done 2398 01:53:11,326 --> 01:53:13,953 some significant things in civil rights, 2399 01:53:13,995 --> 01:53:16,498 and I would include the Attorney General. 2400 01:53:16,539 --> 01:53:21,461 I think both of these men are men of genuine goodwill. 2401 01:53:21,503 --> 01:53:24,339 And, uh, I think there is a necessity now 2402 01:53:24,380 --> 01:53:26,925 to see the urgency of the moment. 2403 01:53:29,511 --> 01:53:32,430 I'm asking from you an unequivocal assurance 2404 01:53:32,472 --> 01:53:35,433 that you will not bar entry to these students, 2405 01:53:35,475 --> 01:53:37,602 and that you will step aside peacefully, 2406 01:53:37,644 --> 01:53:40,188 do your constitutional duty. 2407 01:53:40,230 --> 01:53:42,857 [Stone] In showdowns using federal troops, 2408 01:53:42,899 --> 01:53:46,152 the Kennedy administration won admission of Black students 2409 01:53:46,194 --> 01:53:49,531 to the last public colleges in the south. 2410 01:53:49,572 --> 01:53:52,575 George Wallace made it clear that this fight was not over. 2411 01:53:52,617 --> 01:53:56,329 And the-- the South this year-- next year 2412 01:53:56,371 --> 01:53:58,748 will decide who the next President is, 2413 01:53:58,790 --> 01:54:01,167 whoever the South votes for will be the President. 2414 01:54:01,209 --> 01:54:03,127 And you're gonna see that the South 2415 01:54:03,169 --> 01:54:06,047 is going to be against some folks. 2416 01:54:06,089 --> 01:54:08,299 [Stone] That night, Kennedy addressed the nation 2417 01:54:08,341 --> 01:54:10,385 in what many consider the finest 2418 01:54:10,426 --> 01:54:12,720 Presidential speech on civil rights 2419 01:54:12,762 --> 01:54:14,472 since Abraham Lincoln. 2420 01:54:14,514 --> 01:54:17,475 ...and that the rights of every man are diminished 2421 01:54:17,517 --> 01:54:20,562 when the rights of one man are threatened. 2422 01:54:20,603 --> 01:54:24,232 If an American, because his skin is dark... 2423 01:54:24,274 --> 01:54:29,404 cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want, 2424 01:54:29,445 --> 01:54:31,656 then who among us would be content 2425 01:54:31,698 --> 01:54:34,993 to have the color of his skin changed? 2426 01:54:35,034 --> 01:54:37,871 One hundred years of delay have passed 2427 01:54:37,912 --> 01:54:41,165 since President Lincoln freed the slaves, 2428 01:54:41,207 --> 01:54:45,461 yet their heirs, their grandsons, are not fully free. 2429 01:54:45,503 --> 01:54:50,550 And this nation, for all its hopes and all its boasts, 2430 01:54:50,592 --> 01:54:54,721 will not be fully free until all its citizens are free. 2431 01:54:54,762 --> 01:54:56,180 We face, therefore, 2432 01:54:56,222 --> 01:54:58,474 a moral crisis as a country and a people, 2433 01:54:58,516 --> 01:55:00,476 and this is a matter which concerns 2434 01:55:00,518 --> 01:55:02,979 this country and what it stands for. 2435 01:55:03,021 --> 01:55:06,482 And in meeting it, I ask the support of all of our citizens. 2436 01:55:06,524 --> 01:55:08,651 Thank you very much. 2437 01:55:08,693 --> 01:55:11,779 [somber music playing] 2438 01:56:11,255 --> 01:56:14,342 185746

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