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[radio announcer]
Thelonious, 1963.
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Don't Blame Me,
the Criss-Cross album.
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You're listening to
Blue Notes, Blue Nights,
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here in New York City.
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Going to be a stormy one
tonight, folks.
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Nor-easter coming in.
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They're saying high winds
and a heavy snowfall.
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So take care of yourselves.
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Now, a fresh outtake
from a forthcoming blue
note album by Lee Morgan.
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He's really flying
high on this one.
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[jazz music playing]
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-[man] Is that Helen?
-Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's Lee.
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Boy, they were young then.
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I just couldn't believe it.
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Didn't know what to think.
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Because they were
both together.
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They were always
the people we related to.
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Both of them.
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[man] The fact that he had
totaled the car that night,
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came to work,
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and still wasn't able to
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come through the night,
was not able to get through
the night alive, you know?
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I was never able to go
down that street again.
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Didn't get back to New York.
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I was destroyed, man.
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And then, you know,
I was curious about
what happened to Helen.
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And then I heard that
the police had arrested her
and taken her to jail.
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And you know, I never
saw her again.
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[jazz music playing]
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[Larry Thomas] This is where
I first met Mrs. Helen Morgan.
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At this building.
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Wilson High School.
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Our classroom was situated
on the first floor here,
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closest to the door.
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Because whenever
we had a break,
Mrs. Morgan did smoke.
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My class was
a Western civilization class.
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But I don't begin with
the Greeks and the Romans.
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I began with the ancient
African civilizations.
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So I wasn't
a "traditional teacher."
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As a matter of fact, they
didn't call me Mr. Thomas.
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They called me Larry.
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Almost all the students
called me Larry.
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And they were--most of them
were her age maybe,
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or they were some of them--
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I would say the youngest ones
were in their 40s.
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Mrs. Morgan struck
me as a person
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who wasn't that academically
sound, but she was streetwise.
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Just the aura or vibe
about her was streetwise.
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So as a way of introducing
myself to the class,
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I would always hand
out this bio of me,
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with my picture and everything,
stating that, you know,
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I was a jazz radio announcer,
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a little bit of background
information on who I was.
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When I gave it to her,
she said, "Oh, I love jazz."
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So I said, "Really?"
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She said, "Oh, yeah,
by the way, my husband
was a jazz musician."
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And her last name was Morgan.
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And I said, "Your husband?
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What was his name?"
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And she said
his name was Lee.
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So I said, "Lee Morgan,
the trumpet player?"
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And she said,"Yeah."
And she kind of looked
at me kind of funny.
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Like, you know, "You know
the story too," you know.
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So I said, "Well, I want
to interview you one day."
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So she said, "I don't
have to think about it."
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So eventually in '96, I guess
about eight years later,
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she decided that--
she called me, and said,
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"Larry, you still
want the interview?"
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And I said, "Yeah, of course."
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So I borrowed a tape recorder,
just a regular Sony.
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And I got two cassettes,
I just grabbed two cassettes.
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I said, "I got to
get this interview."
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You know?
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And that was in February, 1996.
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In March, 1996, she died.
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[indistinct tape playing over
loud high pitched noise]
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[ambient background
music playing]
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[Helen] The country,
I never liked at all.
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My mother's biggest aim was
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when I was growing up
in the country,
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and I had to work
on the farm,
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and I had to do all of this,
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that when I got big enough,
I was leaving this place.
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And I was--
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I was young.
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And then, see,
I had kids early.
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And I had my first child at 13.
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Then I had another baby
right behind that.
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About 14, right behind.
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So that disillusioned me
from whole lot of things.
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Because I've never once
said I wanted any children.
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I never did that.
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But I had them.
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I didn't raise them.
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My grandparents
raised my children.
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Because I left.
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I left.
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I came to Wilmington.
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And then I got married here.
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And I only knew him for a week.
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And this was that--
the fast life here.
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I was 17, he was 39.
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And he got drowned.
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So his family
lived in New York.
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And I left Wilmington,
stayed two weeks in New York.
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And I never came back.
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[jazz music playing, applause]
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[announcer] Lee Morgan,
ladies and gentlemen.
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[audience cheering]
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[Wayne] The first time
I met Lee Morgan,
I was in the army.
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And in the army, we talked
about anything new.
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They were talking about
Clifford Brown, the actor.
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They were talking about
James Dean, the actor.
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And they said,
"Dizzy Gillespie found
a trumpet player,
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16 years old.
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His name is Lee Morgan
from Philadelphia."
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That's when I heard his name.
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And one weekend, I went
to New Jersey, home.
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And they said,
"Dizzy Gillespie is playing
at Sugar Hill, the club.
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And Lee Morgan is there
in that band."
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[jazz music playing]
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So I went to the Sugar Hill,
and I saw the band.
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And Dizzy Gillespie
was soloing,
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then he would stop.
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Then the next thing
I saw, this young--
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the Lee Morgan stand up,
he started playing.
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[solo trumpet playing]
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It was fun to watch him
almost challenge Dizzy
in the band, musically.
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He was extremely confident.
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Almost to the point
of being cocky.
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And here was this
bubbly young artist
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who knew he was talented.
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No question about it.
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He knew that he was talented.
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[Wayne] The band, they had
the band uniforms.
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But Lee Morgan
and Dizzy Gillespie
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and the drummer,
which was Charlie Persip,
dressed different.
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They were like the stars
of the band.
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[Charli] I mean, everybody
was kind of like in shock.
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I mean, here's this kid, man,
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that's playing like
a seasoned veteran,
and with great ideas.
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I mean, it was never
no doubt in anybody's mind
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'cause he was
going to be a star.
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[Paul] It was common
among musicians
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to be one of the best dressers.
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[Charli] We talked about
fashion all the time.
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What they called Ivy League,
that was like the style then.
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And Lee was really
into that, and so was I.
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[Paul] You know, have
the best car, prettiest lady,
lots of money,
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best shoes.
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And all that was
important to us.
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[Charli] Yeah, I bought
this Austin-Healey.
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And Lee bought a Triumph.
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And I used to tease him
about it, I said,
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"Man, your car is
not as powerful, it's
not as fast as my car."
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He said, "Oh, man, we
have to see about that."
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[jazz music playing]
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[Albert] And, man, we would
run around in this city.
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And we would go in
Central Park at night.
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Because in those days,
you could drive around
in Central Park at night.
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Just get out the way,
let me go around this turn
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as fast as I can.
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Could never turn the car over.
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[jazz music playing]
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The great big festival
with Ahmad Jamal was there.
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Sarah Vaughan, Count Basie,
the Jazz Messengers.
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Lee Morgan came running
across the racetrack
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during an intermission.
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And he said to me, you want
to play with the Messengers?
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Do you want to play
with the Messengers?
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And I said, "Yeah."
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And he said, "Come with me."
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And I jumped down on
the racetrack with him
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and went to the dressing room
where Art Blakey was.
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And Art said to me, "Do you
want to play in my band?"
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He had that voice.
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[imitating] "You want
to play in my band,
with the Messengers?"
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I said, "Yeah."
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[jazz music playing]
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[announcer]
Ladies and gentlemen, we are
now beginning the third set
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with the terrific Art Blakey
and his Jazz Messengers
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from the jazz corner
of the world.
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Lee Morgan on trumpet,
Wayne Shorter on
the tenor saxophone,
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Bobby Timmons on the piano,
Jymie Merritt on the bass.
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Soul brothers
on this scene now.
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Really do a cool one for you.
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[jazz music playing]
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[Wayne] I was always known
as a lone wolf.
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But with Lee,
Lee was the friend.
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And he and I would
like to have a debate
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about different things,
politics.
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He wanted to know everything.
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I went to Europe
for the first time with them.
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And sometimes when
we were playing,
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and Lee would be
playing a solo,
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and Art would be yelling
to Lee, "Talk to the people,
talk to the people.
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Tell them your story,
tell them your story."
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He knew how to
tell a story musically,
you know?
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[jazz music playing]
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[LOUD HIGH PITCHED BACKGROUND
NOISE]
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[Helen] Well, I lived for
most of my part now,
53rd Street.
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Not far from Birdland
between 8th and 9th.
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Ride around, they all ride
around in the circle there.
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I could always fit in
because I was a talker.
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And I got a job.
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And then I begin to
meet other people.
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I started going
uptown to clubs.
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That's when you would
really hear music,
the jam sessions, you know?
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And I would be invited
to the after-hour joints.
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Helen was a hero
in my neighborhood
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because she came up
from the south.
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And she was a woman
that had to struggle
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because she didn't want
to work for anyone.
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So she wanted to
be her own person.
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When she walked down
the block in the neighborhood,
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the men and the women
paid attention.
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Especially the men, because
she wore provocative clothes.
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She wore are a lot of those
A-line type dresses and suits.
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Everything fitted her because
she was built very nice.
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And on Friday, she would
change her outfits
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and come downstairs
when all the guys
got off from work.
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And they'd be shooting crap,
you know.
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And she'd go across the street,
and she would shoot with them.
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She didn't talk a lot about
her background or home
or anything like that.
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She only sort of fit
into conversations
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when she felt it was necessary
to correct something.
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That something was said
that was not correct,
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that she felt
uncomfortable with.
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That's the only time she
would really say anything.
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[Helen] I will not sit here
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and tell you that
I was so nice,
because I was not.
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A woman that would cut you.
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I was sharp.
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Yeah.
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I had to be.
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Had to be.
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I was sharp.
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And I looked out for me.
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[jazz music playing]
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[man] That's him.
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Oh, he could be a showman.
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He had his little style,
you know. Be stylin'.
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He had a nice laugh too.
246
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[Lee] I'm not gonna
stand too close when
we play the ensemble.
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I might, you know,
take my solo.
248
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Yeah, well, I'll step back.
249
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I can't be very loud.
250
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[indistinct chatter]
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[jazz music playing]
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Every time we went to record,
Alfred Lion and Frank Wolff,
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the owners of Blue Note,
would bring boxes and boxes
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of food and everything.
255
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It was like a party.
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And there was always a record
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that came out of those six,
seven-hour recording sessions.
258
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With that group, we had a lot
to do with developing
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what was called
the "Blue Note sound."
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[Jymie] Here was
these two guys
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who seemed to be
as involved as the players
themselves, you know.
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The guys used to call them
"the animal brothers."
[laughs]
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You know,
the lion and the wolf.
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00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:27,411
And I'll never forget
Frank Wolff,
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the whole time,
he would be taking pictures.
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He took some
remarkable pictures.
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[jazz music playing]
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[Wayne] He wrote music that
came from his youth.
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In Search for the New Land,
270
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he was actually digging back
into his roots in history.
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And what could be
achieved with freedom.
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I wish the world
was like this.
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I wish--when we did record,
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there was always
the thought that
this is going to be forever.
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What we choose is
going to be forever.
276
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[Helen] My apartment
was that open house.
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Was always beans cooking,
always cooked, from to dinner.
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You eat, "go by Helen's house."
279
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My house at 53rd Street
was the place.
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[Al] The first time I met
my mother, I was 21.
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I went to her house,
to her apartment.
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And strange enough,
when I knocked on the door,
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she said "Come in."
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00:23:26,988 --> 00:23:30,033
And the door was
open, not locked,
and I went in.
285
00:23:30,117 --> 00:23:33,286
And there was three women
at the table.
286
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And I immediately
recognized Helen,
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first time ever
seeing her, because...
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I guess you could say
the family resemblance to her.
289
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And we greeted each other.
290
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And here she is, 35 or
something like that.
291
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:55,350
And, wow, you know.
292
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"That means that you was 13
when I was born."
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It didn't take long for me
to latch on to her,
294
00:24:03,775 --> 00:24:08,572
because she was
quite interesting.
295
00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:12,784
She worked at
an answering service.
296
00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:16,788
And they was pulling and
pushing cords in order
to make connections.
297
00:24:17,455 --> 00:24:22,460
It was a means of
making it in New York.
298
00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,630
And being a woman,
being a black woman,
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there wasn't a whole
lot of jobs for you.
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[Ron] Everyone knew Helen
because she could cook.
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And I used to go by
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00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:38,059
and a lot of the musicians
would be there.
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00:24:38,185 --> 00:24:40,562
She would always say,
"Listen, if you're ever
in my neighborhood, stop by.
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I like to cook."
305
00:24:41,688 --> 00:24:43,523
And they would say, "Okay,
I'm in her neighborhood.
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00:24:43,648 --> 00:24:45,150
Let's see what
she cooked today."
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00:24:45,275 --> 00:24:47,235
Helen would say,
"Are you hungry?"
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00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,988
And you said, "Nah,
just, you know, maybe
a little snack or something."
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00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:51,489
She say, "I'm gonna
fix you somethin'."
310
00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:55,118
She'd be out in the kitchen,
doing a roast pork or a turkey.
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00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:58,788
And you're like, "Whoa,
this is going to be great!"
312
00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:00,207
And when she put
the food on the table,
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she might have a pie
or a cake or something.
314
00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:04,169
This is within an hour or two.
315
00:25:04,294 --> 00:25:06,504
Two this woman was fantastic
when it came to the kitchen.
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[jazz music playing]
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00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:11,468
She always had
some good music playin',
I remember that.
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00:25:11,551 --> 00:25:13,678
Always good jazz music playing.
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00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,350
I remember once, a party.
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I mean, it was a small place,
321
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,981
but people from
all walks of life.
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00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:31,863
Most of her friends
was gay or lesbian or--
323
00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:33,740
"People are people,"
she'd say.
324
00:25:43,541 --> 00:25:44,834
[Ron] I remember this.
325
00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,464
Helen was washing up some
dishes from a great meal
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00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:50,966
that we all had had.
327
00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:52,550
And I had my camera with me.
328
00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:54,302
And I said, "Can I
take your picture?"
329
00:25:54,427 --> 00:25:55,845
She said, "No, I
don't like pictures."
330
00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:57,764
She wouldn't let people
take pictures of her.
331
00:25:58,473 --> 00:26:00,809
But I wanted to get
a picture of her.
332
00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:02,143
So I said something slick.
333
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:04,104
I don't remember exactly
what I said to her.
334
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:05,438
But when I said it,
she turned around.
335
00:26:05,563 --> 00:26:07,107
And when she turned
around, I said "Pop!"
336
00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:08,316
And I caught it.
337
00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:19,452
As advertised, we're
going to be introducing,
in just a moment,
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one of the top jazz groups
in the world,
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00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:24,666
on the Blue Note label.
340
00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:27,836
These fellows have been
playing together since 1955.
341
00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:30,964
And now, as I say,
one of the top jazz groups
in the whole world--
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00:26:31,047 --> 00:26:32,674
they play all around
the world too.
343
00:26:33,341 --> 00:26:34,426
Here we go.
344
00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:36,678
[applause]
345
00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:40,265
[jazz music playing]
346
00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,296
[Larry Ridley]
Oh, he's buggin' here.
347
00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:12,255
Stickin' his tongue out.
348
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:15,258
"Yes!" [laughs]
349
00:27:15,383 --> 00:27:18,303
Oh, yeah, he's really muggin'
there with the young lady.
350
00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:23,975
Oh, yeah, they doin' their
little Philly two-step.
351
00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:28,855
That's what it was all about,
stayin' neat, get a haircut,
352
00:27:28,938 --> 00:27:30,065
show up on the scene.
353
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:31,107
That was the whole thing.
354
00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:32,984
We want to impress
a young lady, you know.
355
00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:36,029
Come in like, "What it is?"
356
00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:40,992
I think of the good times
that we had back then.
357
00:27:42,035 --> 00:27:44,120
You know, there was
a lot of good times.
358
00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:46,956
[jazz music playing]
359
00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:09,729
[Wayne] In between,
we have a break, we play
and we have a break,
360
00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:13,525
and I'd go right to the bar and
get a cognac, a double cognac,
361
00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:14,692
sometimes a triple.
362
00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:17,153
And then we would eat.
363
00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:18,738
We all had a plan.
364
00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:21,991
We eat so we could
stay sober enough.
365
00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:23,827
You know, but I was--
366
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,498
I thought I was
out of the Army, I'm still
26 years old, 27.
367
00:28:30,125 --> 00:28:31,334
And alcohol, you sweat it out.
368
00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:36,673
And you're never going to
be staggering or swaying
on the bandstand.
369
00:28:36,798 --> 00:28:37,632
You don't stagger.
370
00:28:37,757 --> 00:28:39,259
It's not cool to stagger.
371
00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:41,261
You're supposed to be strong.
372
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:45,473
I would drink and have
like a thin veil around me,
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00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:47,058
that's my space.
374
00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:49,728
My little dream space
and everything.
375
00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:52,147
And we would play.
376
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,233
[jazz music playing]
377
00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:40,945
I'm looking at
the back of his head.
378
00:29:47,494 --> 00:29:48,787
There's a bandage.
379
00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:55,335
It's almost like in my face,
"What's gonna happen to him?"
380
00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:05,762
It's like,
"What you doin', man?
381
00:30:05,845 --> 00:30:07,597
Lee, hey, Lee,
what you doin'?"
382
00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:16,606
[jazz music playing]
383
00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:47,136
I was with him in Chicago.
384
00:30:47,387 --> 00:30:49,013
I was with Donnie Washington
385
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:51,850
and he was with Art Blakey.
386
00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:55,895
And that's when
I first realized
387
00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:59,190
that he had succumbed
to the drug culture.
388
00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:03,528
And it was most unfortunate
389
00:31:03,611 --> 00:31:05,738
because he was
such a rare talent.
390
00:31:06,739 --> 00:31:08,783
And I was very disappointed,
391
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:12,829
but then I'd ask him
if there's anything
I could do to help him.
392
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:15,748
And there was nothing
I could do at that time.
393
00:31:16,249 --> 00:31:21,671
And so next thing I know,
I had been talked
about firing him.
394
00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:25,550
And so next time I know, he and
Bobby Timmons were both--
395
00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:27,510
had left the group.
396
00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:36,686
[Wayne] There was
some concern...
397
00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:41,065
what was coming
next in his life
398
00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,986
that we had no control over.
399
00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:50,575
"Lee, why don't you do this,
Lee, why don't you do--"
you know.
400
00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:51,951
We knew that, you know.
401
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:55,163
Because when he left, we
wasn't going to see him.
402
00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:56,414
You know, like...
403
00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:00,251
I mean, we couldn't
go home with him.
404
00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:08,343
Not all musicians
were experimenting
with drugs and everything.
405
00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:09,594
I never did.
406
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:14,557
We played at Birdland one time.
It's a Monday night,
407
00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:17,101
and Lee came with no shoes.
408
00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:20,480
Because he had on
some bedroom slippers.
409
00:32:20,563 --> 00:32:25,652
And he was trying to make us
all be okay with it, you know.
410
00:32:25,735 --> 00:32:28,112
Like he was like,
you know,"What's wrong
with you guys, man?
411
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:29,656
Oh, yeah.
I got my slippers on."
412
00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:33,034
But he had sold his shoes
to get some drugs.
413
00:32:33,326 --> 00:32:35,244
Heroin, if you know
about it,
414
00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:39,666
it leaves you really sick
and in a lot of pain
if you don't have it.
415
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:44,963
And he said he'd rather
do that than play
the trumpet at the time.
416
00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:46,589
Because he could play the
trumpet well, no problem.
417
00:32:46,714 --> 00:32:49,425
It's the drugs that
he couldn't control.
418
00:32:58,851 --> 00:33:01,020
[Lena] I asked him about--
once he was lying down,
419
00:33:01,145 --> 00:33:03,815
I saw that he had the burn
on the side of his head.
420
00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:06,734
I asked him about that.
He told me readily about that.
421
00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:08,069
He'd gotten high
422
00:33:08,152 --> 00:33:12,573
and kind of OD'ed and fell,
423
00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:15,535
and his head hit the radiator.
424
00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:21,749
And he was out, and
smelled burning flesh.
425
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:27,171
And the radiator had
burned a big hole.
426
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,217
And then if you notice,
in his pictures after 1965,
427
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,177
he combed his hair forward.
428
00:33:33,302 --> 00:33:35,638
And it was only when his head
was in a certain position,
429
00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,516
the hair would fall away
and you could see
430
00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:42,145
the scar, the burn on his head.
431
00:33:42,937 --> 00:33:44,939
[jazz music playing]
432
00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:59,203
Lee's sound was in my head
since I was like maybe 18.
433
00:34:00,455 --> 00:34:03,041
I just really
loved his playing.
434
00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:07,086
When I came to New York,
it was a different time.
435
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:10,840
And I didn't see Lee Morgan.
436
00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:13,634
He wasn't around.
437
00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:21,392
Until one day, oddly enough,
438
00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:23,811
I was on the subway,
439
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:29,609
and we had come to
maybe 125th street.
440
00:34:29,776 --> 00:34:31,402
And the subway stopped
441
00:34:31,986 --> 00:34:34,781
and I happened to
look out the window.
442
00:34:35,823 --> 00:34:37,575
And I saw this guy.
443
00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:42,080
He had on a long overcoat
because it was the winter time
444
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:49,587
and he had his head wrapped
in like... it was like
a scarf or something.
445
00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:53,758
And just as the train was
moving out of the station,
446
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,843
I saw his face.
447
00:34:56,677 --> 00:34:58,012
It was Lee Morgan.
448
00:34:59,806 --> 00:35:03,768
But he looked like
a homeless person.
449
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,153
It was a very, very sad time.
450
00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,533
You know,
nobody would hire him.
451
00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:22,328
He really went down
as far as you can go.
452
00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:29,710
And then somehow,
he met Helen.
453
00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:37,385
[high pitched noise]
454
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,930
[Larry Thomas] Well, I noticed
you call him Morgan.
455
00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:42,056
[Helen] Yeah.
456
00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:43,641
[Larry Thomas]
Why do you
call him Morgan?
457
00:35:43,891 --> 00:35:46,269
-[Helen] It's his last name.
-[Larry Thomas] Uh-huh.
458
00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:50,523
[Helen] And
I called him Morgan.
459
00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:04,954
Morgan was one
of the people that
came to my house.
460
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,543
And for some kind of reason,
I don't know,
461
00:36:10,626 --> 00:36:14,046
just sittin' there, like,
my heart went out to him.
462
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:18,676
I saw this little boy,
you know.
463
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,390
I remember it was cold.
464
00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:26,225
And he had on his jacket.
465
00:36:26,309 --> 00:36:28,394
I said, "You ain't
got no coat?"
466
00:36:30,563 --> 00:36:34,025
And I said, "What are you
doing out in that jacket?"
467
00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:37,278
And I said "Child, this is
zero degrees out there."
468
00:36:38,738 --> 00:36:41,157
I said, "Well, child,
you need your coat."
469
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,326
I said, "Where is your coat?"
470
00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:45,036
He said, "I pawned it."
471
00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:50,791
I said, "Well, c'mon, I'm
gonna go get you a coat.
472
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:52,960
Because it's too cold."
473
00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:57,757
And he just hung on to me.
474
00:37:01,844 --> 00:37:04,347
He had had his teeth
knocked out.
475
00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:08,100
And he had the brace on,
that saved the teeth,
476
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:12,313
and that had been years,
and he hadn't even
gotten the brace off.
477
00:37:14,732 --> 00:37:19,153
But I said, "You know, are
you not playin' or nothing?"
478
00:37:20,821 --> 00:37:23,324
I said, "You need to
start back to work."
479
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:27,286
Because see, they
couldn't depend on him.
480
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,707
They said, "Lee Morgan is gonna
play at so and so place.
481
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,292
He might not be there."
482
00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:34,418
He said, "I know."
483
00:37:34,543 --> 00:37:36,254
I said,"Well,
you can't do that.
484
00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,680
[Bennie] I thought
Helen was super.
485
00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:50,101
She was like his confidante.
486
00:37:51,143 --> 00:37:54,272
She was his friend, his lover.
487
00:37:55,189 --> 00:37:56,524
She was older.
488
00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:01,404
And she definitely
489
00:38:01,862 --> 00:38:04,782
was unafraid
490
00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:08,411
to be with a person
who was unstable.
491
00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:11,163
I don't know much
about her background,
492
00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:16,252
but whatever it was,
it gave her a strength.
493
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:19,213
She had a real
quiet strength about her.
494
00:38:20,464 --> 00:38:22,675
And he really trusted her.
495
00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:30,766
[Helen] We got an apartment.
496
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,685
We moved from downtown.
497
00:38:35,563 --> 00:38:41,068
Morgan went to
the hospital in the Bronx.
498
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:42,653
That hospital,
499
00:38:42,945 --> 00:38:44,780
they were giving him methadone,
500
00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:48,492
a place you had to go
in there and stay in there.
501
00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:50,619
He turned himself in.
He went in.
502
00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:57,251
[Al] Grand Concourse.
503
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:01,630
About two blocks
from Yankee Stadium
and the Bronx.
504
00:39:02,214 --> 00:39:04,508
Uh, but it was...
505
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:11,098
I mean, it was
quite a move up,
so to speak,
506
00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:12,683
from what it was.
507
00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:19,357
[Helen] And when he came out,
that's when I was working,
508
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,400
you know, talking to people.
509
00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:23,194
Mm-hmm.
510
00:39:23,277 --> 00:39:26,072
And when he came out,
they started rehearsing.
511
00:39:26,155 --> 00:39:29,784
Because the people--
everybody wanted to--
would play with him now.
512
00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:31,827
[jazz music playing]
513
00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:41,712
Wasn't no thing about
getting you to work.
514
00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:51,430
[Jymie] I was coming from
rehearsal with Joe Henderson
515
00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:53,099
at Chick Corea's house.
516
00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:56,352
I remember that because
of that bakery of his.
517
00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:58,187
His family had
a bakery up there.
518
00:39:58,312 --> 00:40:02,024
And as I came out
of the bakery, I was
standing on the corner,
519
00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:04,443
I looked down and
it was Lee Morgan.
520
00:40:04,527 --> 00:40:05,945
And he was standing.
521
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,239
So we got into conversation.
522
00:40:08,322 --> 00:40:10,866
And I hadn't seen him
in quite a while.
523
00:40:10,991 --> 00:40:14,829
And considering what
he had gone through,
524
00:40:15,663 --> 00:40:20,292
I was amazed that he was
able to hold together at all,
you know.
525
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:23,379
He informed me he was
starting a new group.
526
00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:26,757
And would I like to be in it?
527
00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:31,011
Sure, we got together at
a place called Slugs'.
528
00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:34,515
[Jerry] He had never come
to a job without her.
529
00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:37,601
We did the contract
with her, you know?
530
00:40:37,726 --> 00:40:40,312
It was like she
was managing him.
531
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:44,316
I did always work out,
you know, "When is he
coming in?
532
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,193
Well, he can come in
so and so time.
533
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:49,655
Okay, let's make it this time."
This was always with her.
534
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,408
She carried his trumpet case,
you know?
535
00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:54,452
She did everything for him.
536
00:40:55,369 --> 00:40:57,455
He played a lot, you know?
537
00:41:01,959 --> 00:41:06,338
[Helen] He started dressing,
because he liked to
wear his white shirt.
538
00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:11,510
Shirt, tie, leather jacket,
shoe shine.
539
00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:13,971
Yeah, he liked
to be clean now.
540
00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:16,432
He liked to be clean.
541
00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:20,144
And then when his shirts
aren't ironed, he'd
want me to iron his shirt.
542
00:41:21,228 --> 00:41:22,605
I'd do all that.
543
00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:26,025
[jazz music playing]
544
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:35,910
He wrote this tune for me
called "Helen's Ritual."
545
00:41:37,786 --> 00:41:40,664
Puttin' lotion and things on.
546
00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:46,962
[laughs] Gettin' ready to
go somewhere, took me
a half hour.
547
00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:51,509
'Cause I've got to go
through that ritual,
that lotion.
548
00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:54,762
Every day when
we were going out,
549
00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:58,766
wherever we were going,
whatever, that lotion...
550
00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,185
"Helen's ritual."
551
00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:10,194
[Al] I didn't meet him
until after they had
a relationship goin' good.
552
00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,531
And sure, I said sure.
553
00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,200
Me and him about the same age.
554
00:42:16,283 --> 00:42:17,910
And I said "Miss Helen."
555
00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:22,540
And I would say they
needed each other
556
00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:24,625
at the time that she met him.
557
00:42:25,042 --> 00:42:26,794
She had someone
to take care of,
558
00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:28,796
and he had someone
to take care of him.
559
00:42:28,921 --> 00:42:32,299
And it seemed to
be a good thing.
560
00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:36,720
[jazz music playing]
561
00:43:07,626 --> 00:43:09,169
[Lee] Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.
562
00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:12,423
My name is Lee Morgan.
563
00:43:13,007 --> 00:43:16,093
For those of you
who might have just come in,
564
00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,012
the reason for all
these microphones
565
00:43:18,095 --> 00:43:22,808
is that we're recording
live for Blue Note Records.
566
00:43:24,268 --> 00:43:29,857
Lee Morgan Quintet live at
Hermosa Beach, The Lighthouse.
567
00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:34,236
Now here's "Absolution."
568
00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:38,115
We were enjoying it.
569
00:43:38,324 --> 00:43:39,533
You know, we really enjoyed it
570
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:42,036
because it gave us
a chance, first of all,
571
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,039
to be away for
a month from New York.
572
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:47,082
Because we here by the ocean.
573
00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:50,419
What I remember one thing,
Lee practiced every day.
574
00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:51,712
Yeah.
575
00:43:51,837 --> 00:43:54,298
He would make me feel
like, "Well, maybe
I should practice too."
576
00:43:54,381 --> 00:43:55,549
[laughs]
577
00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:03,515
He was enjoying
not wearing any shoes
578
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:07,978
and walking on the sand
in his bare feet, you know.
[laughs]
579
00:44:08,896 --> 00:44:10,606
How can you not be relaxed?
580
00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:12,775
This was a great place
to relax.
581
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,239
[jazz music playing]
582
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:32,086
[Lee] Right now, it's just
me and my wife, solo.
583
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:36,256
A lot of times, I would say
at least half of the time,
584
00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:38,217
I'd take her with me.
585
00:44:39,468 --> 00:44:44,139
And she serves as wife,
cook, secretary...
586
00:44:45,015 --> 00:44:46,308
everything else, you know?
587
00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:48,936
Besides, it's a nice vacation
for her as well.
588
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,359
I could understand
Helen's position.
589
00:44:55,442 --> 00:44:58,612
I mean, she wanted
to be in that world.
590
00:44:58,779 --> 00:45:00,239
And he was the key.
591
00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:04,326
And traveling up and
down the West Coast
592
00:45:04,535 --> 00:45:07,079
and rubbing elbows
with that crowd.
593
00:45:09,456 --> 00:45:13,627
[Jymie] She always did
all the arrangements
for the traveling.
594
00:45:13,836 --> 00:45:15,921
And she just, big head
come in the door,
595
00:45:16,004 --> 00:45:17,506
and you'd know it was Helen.
596
00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:23,095
[Bennie] That was a good part
of his life, I'm sure.
597
00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:27,182
I mean, they really
cared about each other.
598
00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:28,600
They loved each other.
599
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,771
I see them sometimes,
they were walking,
holding hands, you know.
600
00:45:33,313 --> 00:45:36,150
Laughing about
something, you know.
601
00:45:36,483 --> 00:45:38,318
Lee was always
making her laugh.
602
00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:43,574
And I think that's
one thing she liked
a lot, you know.
603
00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:47,202
[crickets chirping]
604
00:45:54,042 --> 00:45:55,627
[Helen] I met Miles...
605
00:45:55,711 --> 00:45:56,670
nasty.
606
00:45:56,962 --> 00:45:58,839
Nasty, you know?
607
00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:01,425
I met him.
608
00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:04,511
He said hello, I said hello.
609
00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:08,599
He said, "And who are you
supposed to be?"
610
00:46:09,183 --> 00:46:11,727
I said, "I am not
'supposed to be.'"
611
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:13,687
I am Helen Morgan.
612
00:46:14,062 --> 00:46:16,815
He said, "Oh, you mean
Morgan's woman?"
613
00:46:16,899 --> 00:46:17,941
I said yes.
614
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:22,237
He said, "Well, I guess
you know who I am."
[laughs]
615
00:46:23,238 --> 00:46:26,658
And I said, "I don't
have to know who you are."
616
00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:29,495
And he laughed, you know.
617
00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:33,207
He said, "I see
you got a quick mouth."
618
00:46:34,082 --> 00:46:36,168
And the words he said
to me like this,
619
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:40,881
"I don't mess too much
around with bitches
with quick mouths."
620
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:44,426
And I said, "Well, I don't
consider myself that."
621
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,683
[Al] She was
the entertainment's wife.
622
00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,019
You know, it was her thing.
623
00:46:55,062 --> 00:46:58,607
It seemed to be
working good,
as far as I could see.
624
00:46:59,233 --> 00:47:00,817
More power to her.
625
00:47:01,401 --> 00:47:03,946
[jazz music playing]
626
00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:38,313
[Ron] I saw her one day,
and I said, "Are you
still with Lee?"
627
00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:39,231
She said, "Of course."
628
00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:41,900
She said, "Yeah, I got
him back on his feet,
and we're doing this and this."
629
00:47:41,984 --> 00:47:43,318
Then I saw a different Helen.
630
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:45,028
It wasn't the Helen
that I grew up with.
631
00:47:45,279 --> 00:47:49,616
It was a woman who cared,
who almost had adopted a child
632
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,411
because Lee and her were
quite different in age.
633
00:47:52,661 --> 00:47:55,330
And I was very proud of her.
634
00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:58,083
I was proud of her when I
knew her as a young man.
635
00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,545
But as a man, I became
even more proud of her.
636
00:48:02,462 --> 00:48:06,341
Because she was helping
someone get back on their feet
who had a lot of talent.
637
00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:11,930
[Paul] His life was
restored by Helen.
638
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,850
And it was joy to watch.
639
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:16,935
He had his own group.
640
00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:19,688
He was playing, was producing.
641
00:48:20,355 --> 00:48:22,482
And he was living.
642
00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:30,157
[Bennie] We would get together
sometimes at his apartment--
643
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,783
at their apartment, actually.
644
00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:33,619
Lee would call me.
645
00:48:33,702 --> 00:48:36,204
He'd say, "Why don't you come
over and we'll have dinner?
646
00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:37,789
So I said, "Okay."
647
00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:40,876
This apartment they had
was beautiful.
648
00:48:41,877 --> 00:48:43,128
It was immaculate.
649
00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,088
Helen took care of the house.
650
00:48:45,213 --> 00:48:47,633
You know, she would
fix us a nice dinner.
651
00:48:47,924 --> 00:48:49,885
We would sit down
and have dinner.
652
00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:56,391
And then after dinner,
Lee would, you know,
653
00:48:56,475 --> 00:48:57,684
want to go out.
654
00:48:57,809 --> 00:49:00,604
Because he liked to go out
and hear other musicians.
655
00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:02,314
So we would leave.
656
00:49:02,397 --> 00:49:04,733
Helen would say,"No, I'm
not going with you guys,
657
00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:06,360
because you're going
to be out too late.
658
00:49:06,485 --> 00:49:08,236
I just want to stay here.
659
00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:10,072
It would be good to
get him out of here
660
00:49:10,155 --> 00:49:11,490
so I could be here by myself."
661
00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:13,909
She was like, "Take him away."
[laughs]
662
00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:15,369
That kind of thing.
663
00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:17,454
So he said, "I'll be back."
664
00:49:18,246 --> 00:49:19,831
But it was always fun.
665
00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:25,837
[Paul] And so
during that time, I said
"What Lee needs now
666
00:49:25,962 --> 00:49:29,675
is not only the support
that he gets from
his home, from Helen,
667
00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:34,096
but he needs to be put in
with a group of young people
668
00:49:34,971 --> 00:49:39,267
who are aspiring to be
like him, artistically.
669
00:49:40,185 --> 00:49:43,271
So I brought him in to
Jazzmobile Workshop.
670
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,235
[vocalizing]
671
00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:57,035
[Lee] I would teach
anybody who wants it.
672
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,079
It's mostly designed
for youngsters,
673
00:49:59,162 --> 00:50:01,581
but anybody who wants to come.
674
00:50:01,873 --> 00:50:03,875
It's not really teaching.
675
00:50:03,959 --> 00:50:08,463
We've had, like,
arrangements for big bands,
small bands, whatnot.
676
00:50:08,547 --> 00:50:12,968
And these are donated by,
say, by Thad or Benny Golson,
677
00:50:13,051 --> 00:50:14,886
or Oliver Nelson,
Wayne Shorter.
678
00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:16,430
You know, our top writers.
679
00:50:16,763 --> 00:50:18,765
And they get a chance to play.
680
00:50:19,725 --> 00:50:23,395
Some of the more talented ones
are trying to write themselves.
681
00:50:23,478 --> 00:50:25,897
And we kind of
evaluate their things,
you know.
682
00:50:28,316 --> 00:50:30,569
I notice a lot of times
I'm talking to them,
683
00:50:31,486 --> 00:50:35,824
and I'll say something or
mention something
684
00:50:35,907 --> 00:50:38,201
that might have happened in
the 50s or something,
685
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:39,661
talking about Clifford Brown...
686
00:50:40,746 --> 00:50:42,789
And he'll be looking at me
with a puzzled look.
687
00:50:42,873 --> 00:50:46,835
And I realize that here,
I'm talking to a kid
that's only 15 years old.
688
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:49,421
To him, I'm ancient.
689
00:50:49,504 --> 00:50:51,590
You see what I'm trying to say?
690
00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:55,051
[Paul] These young kids,
they loved him.
691
00:50:55,135 --> 00:50:59,306
And they were soaking up
all that he had to offer.
692
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:03,185
And he wanted to give and
give and give and give.
693
00:51:03,268 --> 00:51:05,771
[jazz music playing]
694
00:51:11,526 --> 00:51:13,153
[Lee] I find that
695
00:51:14,029 --> 00:51:16,990
the essence of creativity
is the newness of things.
696
00:51:17,073 --> 00:51:19,242
And the only way
to keep things new
697
00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:22,412
is to have constant
changes in environment
698
00:51:22,496 --> 00:51:24,414
and surroundings and people.
699
00:51:25,081 --> 00:51:30,003
And that's the thing
that is so exciting about
being a jazz musician.
700
00:51:30,962 --> 00:51:32,923
[jazz music playing]
701
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:41,973
[Lena] Wow.
702
00:51:42,182 --> 00:51:43,225
[chuckles]
703
00:51:45,894 --> 00:51:46,895
Man, Lee.
704
00:51:48,563 --> 00:51:50,857
That's the fun.
That's what I saw a lot of.
705
00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:52,150
That's the fun stuff.
706
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,444
Fooling around.
707
00:51:55,695 --> 00:51:57,030
Yeah, I like that one.
708
00:51:59,908 --> 00:52:05,038
I met Lee Morgan
in the late 1950s
in Atlantic City, New Jersey
709
00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:08,583
when my family
was working down there
710
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:12,671
in the different clubs,
in the cabaret clubs,
preceding the casinos.
711
00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:16,258
And Lee Morgan
was at the Cotton Club
with the Cookers,
712
00:52:16,591 --> 00:52:17,759
his own group.
713
00:52:19,052 --> 00:52:20,887
When we hung out,
we'd go to the movies,
714
00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,681
we'd get popcorn,
we'd spill it.
715
00:52:22,764 --> 00:52:24,307
He'd laugh just like a kid.
716
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,394
And I liked him because
he was so down-to-earth.
717
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,271
He called himself Howdy Doody.
718
00:52:29,354 --> 00:52:32,107
That was a private joke
we had between us
719
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:34,025
because he had big ears
like Howdy Doody,
720
00:52:34,109 --> 00:52:36,278
which was a doll clown
years ago.
721
00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:38,196
And so he says,
"I'm Howdy Doody."
722
00:52:38,321 --> 00:52:41,449
And he'd called me
Baby Huey because
I had kind of big butt.
723
00:52:45,453 --> 00:52:48,123
He says,"Let's go up to
the Blue Note and let's
pick out some albums,
724
00:52:48,206 --> 00:52:49,332
and we'd just listen to them."
725
00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:52,544
And at that time in my car,
I had an 8-track in my car.
726
00:52:52,878 --> 00:52:55,213
That's as big as
a VHS now, you know,
727
00:52:55,297 --> 00:52:57,257
this big thing and
you put it in your car.
728
00:52:57,591 --> 00:52:59,843
And we would ride around
listening to music.
729
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:01,761
Go down by
the West Side Highway,
730
00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:04,681
end up at
the George Washington Bridge,
and listen to music.
731
00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:07,559
Nothing fancy, just hang out.
732
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:10,562
That's just what we did.
733
00:53:10,645 --> 00:53:12,647
[jazz music playing]
734
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:31,041
[Helen] He ventured out often,
either at the train
at the Grand Concourse,
735
00:53:31,124 --> 00:53:32,751
and I ain't going back
to New Jersey.
736
00:53:33,209 --> 00:53:35,503
[jazz music playing]
737
00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:50,477
Lee's kind of
seeing this girl.
738
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,271
You know what I mean?
739
00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:04,824
Once he was got himself
straight, I warned him.
740
00:54:08,328 --> 00:54:09,955
And then they were hangin' out.
741
00:54:10,038 --> 00:54:11,957
She was--you know.
742
00:54:12,207 --> 00:54:13,959
He had somebody to--
743
00:54:19,172 --> 00:54:21,049
I started hangin' around.
744
00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:29,140
And I'd go in the bathroom,
and they would be in there,
you know.
745
00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:36,272
[Bennie] I got
a call from Helen.
746
00:54:38,149 --> 00:54:41,569
And Helen was looking for Lee.
747
00:54:42,612 --> 00:54:44,614
And Lee never
stayed out all night.
748
00:54:44,698 --> 00:54:45,573
Never.
749
00:54:45,657 --> 00:54:48,994
Generally, when he was out,
he was out with Helen.
750
00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,912
Or he was out with me.
751
00:54:51,246 --> 00:54:52,664
It would be like that.
752
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:54,791
And so she says, "I'm really
concerned about him
753
00:54:54,874 --> 00:54:57,460
because he didn't
come home last night.
754
00:54:58,003 --> 00:54:59,546
And he didn't call me.
755
00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:05,885
So I don't know what
to think, if he's hurt
756
00:55:06,011 --> 00:55:08,138
or, you know,
what's happening.
757
00:55:08,221 --> 00:55:09,472
Have you seen him?"
758
00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:12,851
And I told her,"No,
I haven't seen him."
759
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,856
So later in the day,
Lee called me.
760
00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:20,400
And I told him that
Helen had called me.
761
00:55:20,483 --> 00:55:23,111
He says, "Yeah, I know.
She was calling everybody."
762
00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:25,864
And he said,
"I met this woman,
763
00:55:25,989 --> 00:55:29,617
and there's a vibe
between this woman and I,
764
00:55:29,743 --> 00:55:32,912
and I went to her house,
and I did not go home."
765
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:35,749
So I was like, "Wow."
766
00:55:46,217 --> 00:55:47,635
[interviewer]
How old are you now?
767
00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:49,888
[Lee] Thirty three.
768
00:55:49,971 --> 00:55:53,141
[interviewer] Well,
you're still very young, man.
You've been around for years.
769
00:55:53,224 --> 00:55:54,059
[Lee] Right.
770
00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:56,603
Right, I started
with Dizzy at 18.
771
00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:02,942
So that means last 15 years.
772
00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:03,860
[interviewer] Mm-hmm.
773
00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:06,196
That's like a lot to have
learned something from.
774
00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:07,280
[Lee] Mm-hmm.
775
00:56:25,048 --> 00:56:29,511
[Lena] Between Christmas
and New Years, when
the year 1972 came in,
776
00:56:30,011 --> 00:56:32,180
we were hanging out in Jersey,
going to the local bar.
777
00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:34,057
He was shooting pool
with my friends.
778
00:56:34,265 --> 00:56:35,642
He just wanted to
be in New Jersey,
779
00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:37,477
go to the diner that
stayed open all day,
780
00:56:37,602 --> 00:56:40,563
East Orange Diner from
East Orange, New Jersey.
781
00:56:40,688 --> 00:56:42,565
Go to the diner, you know.
782
00:56:42,649 --> 00:56:48,279
And on New Year's Eve,
we were at my house.
783
00:56:48,696 --> 00:56:52,325
No hanging out, no giggin',
no partyin', no nothing.
784
00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:54,619
And we just crashed
watching the fish tank.
785
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:58,998
I had a 100-gallon-long
fish tank from my children.
786
00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:01,584
Fish tank was like the center
of attraction in my house.
787
00:57:01,668 --> 00:57:04,129
Because the fish
were really cool.
788
00:57:04,587 --> 00:57:07,507
And he would sit there
mesmerized watching the fish.
789
00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:10,051
He said, "I'm not
composing anymore."
790
00:57:12,887 --> 00:57:14,139
I never bothered him.
791
00:57:15,181 --> 00:57:19,561
I just wanted him to
search his own soul
and feel good about it.
792
00:57:20,728 --> 00:57:23,064
Because of the addiction
and whatnot,
793
00:57:23,648 --> 00:57:28,778
his sexuality was very, very,
very, very, very, very limited.
794
00:57:29,237 --> 00:57:31,114
Almost non-existent
795
00:57:31,197 --> 00:57:32,740
because of what
he had been through.
796
00:57:33,408 --> 00:57:36,035
It didn't faze me because
we were good friends.
797
00:57:36,536 --> 00:57:41,916
And that New Year's Eve,
he woke me up like 3
or 4 o'clock in the morning,
798
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,128
which was then
1972 had come in.
799
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:50,049
And he said something drastic
is getting ready to happen.
800
00:57:50,133 --> 00:57:51,468
He said "I can feel it."
801
00:57:53,636 --> 00:57:57,015
[jazz music playing]
802
00:58:09,152 --> 00:58:13,156
[Billy] I heard from Lee
that we were supposed
to do a television recording
803
00:58:13,448 --> 00:58:15,909
on this show called Soul.
804
00:58:16,951 --> 00:58:20,705
This show featured jazz acts,
jazz performances.
805
00:58:20,955 --> 00:58:24,667
And the audience was a lot
of young black listeners
806
00:58:24,751 --> 00:58:26,794
who were really into jazz.
807
00:58:27,045 --> 00:58:28,338
So this was a good one.
808
00:58:28,421 --> 00:58:32,008
This was a good show, a good
event to participate in.
809
00:58:34,594 --> 00:58:35,512
Good evening.
810
00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:39,432
I'm your announcer, Jerry B.
And tonight on Soul,
811
00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:41,351
trumpet star Lee Morgan,
812
00:58:42,852 --> 00:58:46,606
Harold Mabern, Jymie Merritt,
813
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,818
Freddy Waits, Billy Harper.
814
00:58:53,571 --> 00:58:55,323
Yeah, it was a nice set.
815
00:58:56,241 --> 00:58:59,369
And it was good to have
the opportunity to, you know,
816
00:58:59,452 --> 00:59:00,745
be on television at that time.
817
00:59:02,247 --> 00:59:03,998
[applause]
818
00:59:04,999 --> 00:59:07,460
Here is brother Lee Morgan
and the Quintet.
819
00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:12,006
Now, we'd like to
do a brand new one.
820
00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:15,885
This was composed by
our bassist Jymie Merritt,
821
00:59:16,219 --> 00:59:18,930
and is dedicated to
sister Angela Davis.
822
00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:20,557
The title, "Angela."
823
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:38,616
[Jymie] We recorded
a tune called "Angela,"
824
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:44,539
which was something
that Lee had asked me
to write for, you know,
825
00:59:44,706 --> 00:59:46,124
write something for him.
826
00:59:46,457 --> 00:59:49,419
And that seemed to be
something that needed
827
00:59:49,502 --> 00:59:51,546
to be addressed at that time.
828
01:00:14,402 --> 01:00:17,739
[Lee] You know,
I don't believe in
labels in music, period.
829
01:00:17,864 --> 01:00:23,244
I don't even like
the word "jazz," really.
I think it's a bad word.
830
01:00:23,369 --> 01:00:24,537
It's not a word
that we made up.
831
01:00:24,662 --> 01:00:26,164
It's a word that we
were told what it was.
832
01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:29,584
Just like we were told
that we are negroes,
or you know...
833
01:00:29,709 --> 01:00:30,877
Same kind of thing.
834
01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:35,715
If you ask me what would I
call our music, you know,
835
01:00:35,798 --> 01:00:37,050
the best that I
could come up with
836
01:00:37,175 --> 01:00:39,927
would probably be
"black classical music."
837
01:00:41,804 --> 01:00:44,766
But then that's even
a broad term, you know?
838
01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:48,144
[jazz music playing]
839
01:00:57,945 --> 01:01:00,990
[Helen] He did
a television show,
and naturally, I was there.
840
01:01:01,991 --> 01:01:04,035
But that didn't mean nothing!
841
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:13,127
Because when we left,
he was going on to her.
842
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:15,922
And I was going on to...
843
01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:17,090
you know.
844
01:01:20,176 --> 01:01:21,886
[applause]
845
01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:23,888
"What you doin'?"
I said,
846
01:01:23,971 --> 01:01:27,517
"I'm not one of those women
that you can talk to
847
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,187
wile I'm the main woman and you
got somebody outside that."
848
01:01:31,312 --> 01:01:33,564
I said, "I'm not
built that way.
849
01:01:33,773 --> 01:01:35,149
That's not me.
850
01:01:35,274 --> 01:01:37,568
I never--no, no--
851
01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:38,986
I'm no main woman
852
01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:41,656
if you leavin' me here
every night by myself
853
01:01:41,781 --> 01:01:43,491
and you out there
with somebody.
854
01:01:43,574 --> 01:01:44,784
I'm not--
855
01:01:49,414 --> 01:01:53,543
I also get up, told him
I had some friends in Chicago,
856
01:01:53,626 --> 01:01:55,211
and I was going to visit them.
857
01:01:56,754 --> 01:01:59,757
And I told him, I said,
"I'm going to Chicago.
858
01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:01,968
I don't know
when I'll be back."
859
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:06,264
I said,"Because I
feel like something bad's
gonna happen out of this."
860
01:02:08,975 --> 01:02:12,979
And that Sunday,
he begged me not to go.
861
01:02:14,021 --> 01:02:16,065
He said, "No, no, don't go."
862
01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:20,194
"Don't go to Chicago," he said.
863
01:02:21,696 --> 01:02:24,866
I said, "Well,
you can't live--
I can't live like this.
864
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:28,202
I said it's not in me.
865
01:02:30,371 --> 01:02:33,166
And I didn't go to Chicago.
866
01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:37,420
And I told him, I said,
"You know, Morgan,
867
01:02:37,503 --> 01:02:40,465
I'm making the biggest
mistake of my life."
868
01:02:44,469 --> 01:02:47,472
[jazz music playing]
869
01:03:03,154 --> 01:03:05,198
[newsreader] This is the news
in detail on the hour.
870
01:03:05,323 --> 01:03:08,242
National Weather Service
warns the Nor'easter
currently hitting the city
871
01:03:08,326 --> 01:03:10,369
could bring the biggest
snowfall of the winter.
872
01:03:10,495 --> 01:03:14,540
Winds up to 40 miles an hour
and continued snow and sleet
are expected.
873
01:03:14,624 --> 01:03:16,709
Again, high winds,
lows around 32
874
01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:18,586
and a high temperature of 37.
875
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,839
Authorities advice you
to stay off the road
and stay indoors...
876
01:03:21,923 --> 01:03:26,010
[Billy] So that night,
we had the gig at Slugs'.
877
01:03:28,054 --> 01:03:33,434
Well in the first place,
Slugs', this was a real
raw saloon basically, you know.
878
01:03:33,518 --> 01:03:36,354
I mean, when you go in there,
sawdust on the floor.
879
01:03:36,479 --> 01:03:38,272
And then the stage in the back.
880
01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,692
That was one of the places
where all the musicians
were playing at the time.
881
01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:46,697
And so it had the reputation
of a place where you can
really hear the real cats.
882
01:03:51,369 --> 01:03:54,747
I remember it was
a most difficult night.
883
01:03:54,831 --> 01:03:59,085
It was a night that
started out, and then it
became something else.
884
01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:00,461
It was a snow--
885
01:04:00,586 --> 01:04:02,588
When we got there,
the snow was two feet high.
886
01:04:02,713 --> 01:04:06,008
I remember because
I had to get out of there
with my instrument.
887
01:04:08,803 --> 01:04:11,347
Then I went back to
Philadelphia the next day.
888
01:04:11,472 --> 01:04:14,767
That was...
that was it.
889
01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:20,356
[Lena] It was February 18th.
890
01:04:20,481 --> 01:04:22,233
I met Lee for dinner.
891
01:04:23,276 --> 01:04:25,736
And he liked the dress
that I had on.
892
01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:28,489
I remember him talking about
my dress. "I like your dress."
893
01:04:31,033 --> 01:04:32,535
And we ate.
894
01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:34,245
And then I said,
"Well, it's going to
be a blizzard,
895
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:37,123
so I got to go
back to Jersey.
896
01:04:37,248 --> 01:04:38,833
Because I ain't
drivin' in the snow."
897
01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:43,921
He said, "Just take me up to
the Bronx, I'll get my horn,
898
01:04:44,046 --> 01:04:46,007
and drop me off at Slugs'."
899
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:48,801
And that was the plan.
900
01:04:55,558 --> 01:05:00,229
[Helen] And that Saturday,
I don't know
what possessed me.
901
01:05:00,313 --> 01:05:02,064
I said, "I'm going to Slugs'."
902
01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:03,816
He was working down there
that whole week.
903
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,693
I hadn’t been down there
that whole week.
904
01:05:08,279 --> 01:05:12,074
And a fella was stayin'
with me named Ed.
905
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:13,492
So Ed was gay.
906
01:05:13,576 --> 01:05:16,787
And Ed knew all
the musicians and
everything, you know.
907
01:05:16,871 --> 01:05:19,081
And I said, "Ed, come on."
908
01:05:19,206 --> 01:05:20,458
He said, "Don't go."
909
01:05:22,919 --> 01:05:24,545
I said,"No, I'm goin'."
910
01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:27,214
He said "I just don't
want you to go."
911
01:05:34,972 --> 01:05:38,100
[Lena] As you may know,
up in the Bronx, a lot
of streets are cobblestone.
912
01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:42,605
And we slid
on the cobblestone
and totaled my car.
913
01:05:44,148 --> 01:05:45,816
So we got the--
we didn't get hurt, though.
914
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:48,486
We had our fur coats and
we were all bundled up.
915
01:05:48,611 --> 01:05:50,404
It was near
the Grand Concourse.
916
01:05:51,322 --> 01:05:53,157
He went upstairs
and got his horn.
917
01:05:55,242 --> 01:05:56,827
I said, "Well, I got
to get back to Jersey."
918
01:05:56,911 --> 01:05:58,162
My car was totaled.
919
01:05:58,829 --> 01:06:02,375
It was maybe four or five
inches of snow by then.
920
01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:09,173
Going down in the cab, going
down from Grand Concourse
stand to Slugs'.
921
01:06:09,465 --> 01:06:12,635
Now we're talking about
seven, eight inches of snow.
922
01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:19,058
He said,"I can't not go
on the stand because I'm
the leader, it's my group."
923
01:06:20,476 --> 01:06:24,313
And he was flashing back
to when he was strung out,
924
01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:27,149
and lots of times
he didn't show up.
925
01:06:27,316 --> 01:06:29,068
He said,"I can't
let them down."
926
01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:32,071
So I went in.
927
01:06:32,238 --> 01:06:34,407
I sat by the door, because
if I could get a cab,
928
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:35,825
I was going to
get out of there.
929
01:06:39,912 --> 01:06:41,288
[Jymie] That night was
pay night.
930
01:06:41,497 --> 01:06:43,666
And Lee was late getting there.
931
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,420
And when he came in,
he rushed right
to the bathroom.
932
01:06:47,503 --> 01:06:50,798
He had to throw up.
933
01:06:50,881 --> 01:06:53,884
He had just--his car
had just totaled.
934
01:06:53,968 --> 01:06:56,387
He had totaled his car
on the way to work.
935
01:07:03,102 --> 01:07:06,022
[Helen] I said, "I'm just
going to stop in Slugs'
936
01:07:08,357 --> 01:07:09,400
and say hello."
937
01:07:09,525 --> 01:07:12,528
And then I'd gone over to
the band guy named Freddy.
938
01:07:15,531 --> 01:07:18,367
A guy Cam I met down there.
939
01:07:28,753 --> 01:07:31,338
And I went in Slugs', went in.
940
01:07:32,506 --> 01:07:36,010
[jazz music playing]
941
01:07:45,936 --> 01:07:48,272
[Billy] You know,
while we were playing,
he said,"Don't look now
942
01:07:48,397 --> 01:07:50,066
but Helen just came in."
943
01:07:52,276 --> 01:07:55,654
I didn't know there was
a big problem with them
at the time.
944
01:07:55,821 --> 01:07:58,532
But when I look back,
you know, it was like a movie.
945
01:07:58,824 --> 01:08:00,868
The doors flung open
and there was Helen.
946
01:08:03,496 --> 01:08:05,623
[Lena] It was crowded
for it to be a blizzard.
947
01:08:07,041 --> 01:08:09,085
Um, Helen came to the door.
948
01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:12,797
He was not sitting with me,
I was sitting by the door
949
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,007
so I could see
out the window,
waiting for a cab.
950
01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:19,637
"I'm here for the draw."
951
01:08:20,012 --> 01:08:21,806
That's what Helen said,
"I'm here for the draw."
952
01:08:21,931 --> 01:08:23,182
She said it real loud.
953
01:08:24,725 --> 01:08:25,768
He said, "You want a draw?"
954
01:08:25,893 --> 01:08:27,937
Which would be,
musicians get a draw.
955
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:30,731
They can draw money
out of their pay.
956
01:08:31,190 --> 01:08:32,942
And whatever, I didn't
even hear the argument.
957
01:08:33,067 --> 01:08:34,819
I knew something was going on.
958
01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:39,073
[Paul] It was snowing outside.
959
01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:43,494
And I and my lady decided
960
01:08:43,911 --> 01:08:46,664
we're going to run down
to Slugs' and catch Lee.
961
01:08:49,166 --> 01:08:51,418
As I walked in,
Helen approached me.
962
01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:59,927
And she says, "Paul,
could you go and talk
to your friend, Lee?
963
01:09:01,303 --> 01:09:04,348
And, because he's got
his little girlfriend here.
964
01:09:05,474 --> 01:09:08,477
And I feel very uncomfortable
with her being here,
965
01:09:08,561 --> 01:09:09,854
and she shouldn't be here."
966
01:09:11,188 --> 01:09:12,356
I said okay.
967
01:09:13,023 --> 01:09:14,441
So I walked over to him.
968
01:09:14,567 --> 01:09:17,653
He was at the bar and
talking to this little lady.
969
01:09:18,696 --> 01:09:21,699
"Lee," I said,"look.
Your wife is here.
970
01:09:22,449 --> 01:09:24,702
And I don't know who
this young lady is.
971
01:09:25,786 --> 01:09:28,706
But I think you ought to take
her outside, put her in a cab,
972
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:29,915
and send her home."
973
01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:33,460
"All right, okay,
all right, we'll do it."
974
01:09:33,544 --> 01:09:36,380
You know, that was
his attitude at the time.
975
01:09:38,424 --> 01:09:42,011
And so his wife then
came and sat with us.
976
01:09:44,388 --> 01:09:46,849
[Helen] Morgan came
where I was.
977
01:09:47,308 --> 01:09:48,893
We was talking.
978
01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:50,603
The girl walked up.
979
01:09:51,061 --> 01:09:52,313
And she said,
980
01:09:52,813 --> 01:09:57,526
"I thought you wasn't
supposed to be with her
anymore," or something.
981
01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:00,529
"I'm not--
982
01:10:01,488 --> 01:10:03,115
I'm not with this bitch,
983
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,409
I'm just telling her
to leave me alone."
984
01:10:06,243 --> 01:10:07,995
And about that time,
I hit him.
985
01:10:09,163 --> 01:10:10,748
And when I hit him,
986
01:10:11,957 --> 01:10:15,377
I didn't have on my coat
or nothing but I had my bag.
987
01:10:16,337 --> 01:10:18,214
He threw me out the club.
988
01:10:20,007 --> 01:10:21,759
Winter time.
989
01:10:25,721 --> 01:10:28,390
The gun fell out the bag.
990
01:10:31,268 --> 01:10:35,231
He's the one who
bought me the gun.
I couldn't get it myself.
991
01:10:38,150 --> 01:10:39,193
And I got up.
992
01:10:45,157 --> 01:10:51,747
So my lady said to me, "Paul,
Helen is outside in the snow.
993
01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,874
Her coat is here.
994
01:10:54,041 --> 01:10:56,335
Why don't you
take her coat to her?"
995
01:10:57,836 --> 01:10:59,880
And she comes in.
996
01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:02,967
[Lena] Lee was getting ready
to go back up there,
997
01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:05,010
play "Angela" for Angela Davis.
998
01:11:05,427 --> 01:11:08,389
And he was getting ready to
go back up and Helen came in.
999
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:11,350
Helen is walking
and I'm walking,
1000
01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:13,060
we're both walking
toward each other,
1001
01:11:13,143 --> 01:11:14,645
and Lee is in the middle.
1002
01:11:15,896 --> 01:11:18,816
And she once again
taps Lee on his shoulder,
1003
01:11:18,899 --> 01:11:21,193
but she has her hand
in her pocketbook.
1004
01:11:23,112 --> 01:11:25,197
And taps him, and
Lee turns around.
1005
01:11:25,906 --> 01:11:27,449
And bam!
1006
01:11:28,867 --> 01:11:31,662
And I said, "What is that?"
You know, we're looking up.
1007
01:11:31,745 --> 01:11:34,331
Lee's still standing up,
and I thought maybe--
1008
01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:38,085
I don't know what happened.
Maybe somebody shot something
in the air or something.
1009
01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:40,170
It was just pop-pop.
1010
01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:42,047
Pop--one pop, I don't know.
1011
01:11:42,798 --> 01:11:46,093
And, um, and he fell.
1012
01:12:04,862 --> 01:12:07,406
[Helen] Yeah,
I lost it, I lost it.
1013
01:12:10,576 --> 01:12:13,370
I said,
"I couldn't have did this.
1014
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,497
I couldn't have did this.
1015
01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:19,960
This must be a dream.
1016
01:12:21,628 --> 01:12:23,255
And I'mma wake up."
1017
01:12:27,301 --> 01:12:28,719
[sirens wailing]
1018
01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:31,138
[Paul] The police
came right away.
1019
01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:36,560
But in--I don't know
whether it was because
of the bad weather,
1020
01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:41,106
the ambulance took almost
an hour to get to the club.
1021
01:12:44,276 --> 01:12:45,778
I think he could
have been saved.
1022
01:12:49,156 --> 01:12:51,492
It took such a long time
for the ambulance to come.
1023
01:12:56,372 --> 01:12:57,373
[Jymie] E verybody
walked away--
1024
01:12:57,456 --> 01:12:59,166
I don't know,
I never walked back.
1025
01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:01,877
I never--I don't know...
1026
01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:06,256
I was never able to go
down that street again.
1027
01:13:08,425 --> 01:13:10,511
Didn't get back to New York.
1028
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:18,185
[jazz music playing]
1029
01:13:53,429 --> 01:13:55,055
[Lena] I went with him
to the hospital,
1030
01:13:55,139 --> 01:13:57,141
sitting in this
big empty Bellevue,
1031
01:13:57,224 --> 01:13:58,892
and ran to see by myself.
1032
01:14:01,478 --> 01:14:05,774
After a while, I saw them come
out of the ER with a big bag,
1033
01:14:05,858 --> 01:14:07,609
they were dragging it
on the floor.
1034
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:09,570
And there was blood--
1035
01:14:09,653 --> 01:14:11,447
there was nobody there but Lee.
1036
01:14:13,449 --> 01:14:17,786
And I just walked over,
over to it.
1037
01:14:17,995 --> 01:14:19,371
I knew he was gone.
1038
01:14:29,882 --> 01:14:32,468
[newsreader] Well-known
trumpet player, Lee Morgan
was fatally shot
1039
01:14:32,551 --> 01:14:35,179
during a Saturday morning
in an East Village jazz club.
1040
01:14:35,262 --> 01:14:38,265
Police said the 33-year-old
Morgan had quarreled earlier
1041
01:14:38,348 --> 01:14:40,809
with his wife, Helen Morgan,
who shot the musician
1042
01:14:40,893 --> 01:14:43,270
once in the chest after he
completed the late night set
1043
01:14:43,353 --> 01:14:44,605
at Slugs' Jazz Club.
1044
01:14:44,771 --> 01:14:46,231
Police have arrested
Mrs. Morgan,
1045
01:14:46,315 --> 01:14:48,692
who is due to be arraigned
in Manhattan criminal court.
1046
01:14:48,901 --> 01:14:50,944
No further statements
have been issued.
1047
01:14:55,699 --> 01:14:59,244
We had a memorial service
over in Philadelphia.
1048
01:15:00,078 --> 01:15:01,580
And, uh...
1049
01:15:03,999 --> 01:15:06,084
And they buried him
in Philadelphia.
1050
01:15:06,168 --> 01:15:10,714
And that was a very sad time.
1051
01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:17,888
That was--that was...
the end of a beginning.
1052
01:15:32,444 --> 01:15:34,947
[Bennie] I cried most of
the day that day.
1053
01:15:35,197 --> 01:15:40,369
And I hadn't cried,
you know, in ages.
1054
01:15:41,995 --> 01:15:45,791
I don't remember
crying like that.
1055
01:15:46,959 --> 01:15:51,004
And then I was curious about
what happened to Helen.
1056
01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:53,632
And then I heard
that, of course,
1057
01:15:53,715 --> 01:15:59,555
the police had arrested her,
taken her to jail.
1058
01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:03,725
And I never saw her again.
1059
01:16:08,021 --> 01:16:11,567
[Helen] And it came down,
you know.
1060
01:16:11,858 --> 01:16:13,944
My kids is upset.
1061
01:16:15,070 --> 01:16:17,114
They don't know what to think.
1062
01:16:17,364 --> 01:16:19,783
They don't know what
to think, you know?
1063
01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:22,828
I had to go to court.
1064
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:27,124
And then when we went
to jail, I sat there.
1065
01:16:27,374 --> 01:16:29,293
And I was just sitting there.
1066
01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:39,052
She was, for a while
there, I mean, she just--
1067
01:16:42,139 --> 01:16:44,433
it was almost like
1068
01:16:46,351 --> 01:16:49,771
she wished she had
shot herself instead of him.
1069
01:16:51,607 --> 01:16:55,110
And then trying to
get her out, trying to
get a lawyer,
1070
01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:56,653
all those kind of things--
1071
01:16:56,737 --> 01:16:59,323
it was pretty hectic.
1072
01:17:03,827 --> 01:17:05,621
The lawyer made
arrangements for her
1073
01:17:05,704 --> 01:17:09,750
to plead guilty to
second-degree manslaughter.
1074
01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:13,962
And I think within two
or five years' probation.
1075
01:17:14,087 --> 01:17:15,964
That's what she
pleaded guilty to.
1076
01:17:19,176 --> 01:17:22,137
[serene music playing]
1077
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:38,820
She had to get permission to
leave the state of New York.
1078
01:17:39,988 --> 01:17:46,828
We drove down, probably
it was in 1974 or '75,
1079
01:17:47,287 --> 01:17:48,872
somewhere along then.
1080
01:17:51,833 --> 01:17:53,293
We took her down.
1081
01:17:55,921 --> 01:18:00,425
So she wanted to go visit.
1082
01:18:01,718 --> 01:18:06,848
And that was
the first time that she had
been back down there.
1083
01:18:07,432 --> 01:18:11,770
And she took me
to the house, the country,
1084
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,605
I think where I was born.
1085
01:18:15,023 --> 01:18:20,070
She really seemed to be
visiting her childhood
when we was there.
1086
01:18:20,153 --> 01:18:21,905
Because she was--
you know,
1087
01:18:21,988 --> 01:18:25,450
you're able to walk without
shoes on when you're
in the country, you know.
1088
01:18:25,534 --> 01:18:26,410
And walking, and--
1089
01:18:26,493 --> 01:18:30,872
And she is talking about all of
the things that she remembered.
1090
01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:34,668
Because all she could
visit in that place
was her childhood,
1091
01:18:34,751 --> 01:18:37,963
because she had no other
connections to it.
1092
01:18:54,020 --> 01:18:58,650
And then she wound up
moving back there.
1093
01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:00,610
She moved down to Wilmington.
1094
01:19:03,905 --> 01:19:07,284
She became active
in the church.
1095
01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:10,537
I don't want to use
the word "religious"
1096
01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:12,164
because that wasn't her.
1097
01:19:12,247 --> 01:19:16,209
But she still had
this thing in her
1098
01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:19,504
about the taking of a life.
1099
01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:25,761
It's like she
had to help folks
from that point on.
1100
01:19:25,844 --> 01:19:27,095
She had to help folks.
1101
01:19:27,554 --> 01:19:31,057
And she did a lot of cooking
in a home for people, you know,
1102
01:19:31,141 --> 01:19:32,267
for the church and whatever
1103
01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:33,602
because they loved her cooking,
1104
01:19:33,685 --> 01:19:35,687
and she was traveling
with the bishop.
1105
01:19:35,979 --> 01:19:41,026
She moved right into
the church, and became
a celebrity in the church.
1106
01:19:41,818 --> 01:19:45,030
And how could I say--
she found her salvation.
1107
01:20:14,768 --> 01:20:16,561
[Helen] I was
over there in Rikers.
1108
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:22,567
And I said, "Well,
Helen, you got to
get yourself together.
1109
01:20:23,276 --> 01:20:24,152
It's done.
1110
01:20:24,361 --> 01:20:26,488
You done put yourself
in it now.
1111
01:20:27,113 --> 01:20:28,949
You got to get
your mind--
1112
01:20:29,032 --> 01:20:31,576
you got to get yourself
together mentally
1113
01:20:32,494 --> 01:20:34,704
to accept what you've done."
1114
01:20:37,249 --> 01:20:41,670
And the lawyer came over
and talked to me.
1115
01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:45,966
He came to see me.
1116
01:20:46,299 --> 01:20:47,384
[child] Sweet grains.
1117
01:20:47,467 --> 01:20:48,635
[Helen] Oh, okay.
1118
01:20:49,094 --> 01:20:53,390
And he said that
what was going on,
1119
01:20:53,557 --> 01:20:55,559
he was waiting for
the right lawyer.
1120
01:20:56,142 --> 01:20:56,977
And--
1121
01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:58,311
[man] Hey, little guy.
1122
01:20:58,395 --> 01:20:59,229
How you doin'?
1123
01:20:59,813 --> 01:21:01,064
[high-pitched noise]
1124
01:21:07,946 --> 01:21:09,906
[Larry Thomas] And then
her grandson walked in.
1125
01:21:10,532 --> 01:21:13,159
So we had to
stop the conversation
at that point.
1126
01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:14,828
We had to stop
the conversation.
1127
01:21:14,911 --> 01:21:18,373
So at that point, I said,
"Can I come back and finish?"
1128
01:21:18,456 --> 01:21:21,042
You know, because we really
weren't finished.
1129
01:21:21,626 --> 01:21:23,003
And she said, "Sure."
1130
01:21:23,211 --> 01:21:26,131
And that was in February, 1996.
1131
01:21:26,381 --> 01:21:28,633
And March, 1996, she died.
1132
01:21:43,982 --> 01:21:45,275
[Billy] I just
couldn't believe it.
1133
01:21:47,819 --> 01:21:49,946
All the musicians were,
of course,
1134
01:21:52,032 --> 01:21:53,950
just befuddled.
1135
01:21:56,077 --> 01:21:57,162
Didn't know what to think.
1136
01:21:57,245 --> 01:21:58,622
Because they were
both together.
1137
01:21:58,705 --> 01:22:02,918
They were always
the people who we
related to, both of them.
1138
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,796
[Larry Ridley] I was mad
for a long time.
1139
01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:10,216
You know, "How can she
do that to my brother,
Lee Morgan," you know.
1140
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:11,927
"If I ever see her,
I don't know,
1141
01:22:12,010 --> 01:22:13,929
I'm gonna give her
a piece of my mind."
1142
01:22:14,012 --> 01:22:15,555
You know, I was really angry.
1143
01:22:15,972 --> 01:22:17,432
I went through that
for a while.
1144
01:22:17,515 --> 01:22:19,017
And I was always wondering,
1145
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:20,894
"What am I going to do
1146
01:22:21,478 --> 01:22:25,398
when I finally come
in contact with her?"
1147
01:22:26,066 --> 01:22:31,529
And it was interesting because
I was playing at a club
called the Needle's Eye.
1148
01:22:32,072 --> 01:22:36,534
And this is after she
finally got out of jail
and she was released.
1149
01:22:37,035 --> 01:22:38,870
And she was in the club.
1150
01:22:38,954 --> 01:22:39,955
And I was playing there.
1151
01:22:40,038 --> 01:22:42,999
And she came there specifically
to see me because she--
1152
01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:45,710
you know, we were all
very close, you know.
1153
01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:50,340
And I had all this anger
that had been built up.
1154
01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:53,927
And when I saw her,
and the expression
on her face ,
1155
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:55,804
and the vibe I got from her,
1156
01:22:56,805 --> 01:22:59,224
I couldn't do anything
but open my arms open.
1157
01:22:59,307 --> 01:23:03,853
And she came and just started
hugging me and she was crying.
1158
01:23:04,437 --> 01:23:06,272
And she said,
"Larry, I'm so sorry.
1159
01:23:06,356 --> 01:23:07,357
I'm so sorry.
1160
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:08,817
I didn't mean to do it."
1161
01:23:09,442 --> 01:23:10,986
That's what she said to me.
1162
01:23:11,069 --> 01:23:14,823
And you know, like,
all of that anger
1163
01:23:14,906 --> 01:23:18,034
and everything just went away.
1164
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:20,161
[jazz music playing]
1165
01:23:20,245 --> 01:23:22,038
[Paul] I was--
I was very angry.
1166
01:23:22,122 --> 01:23:24,541
That was my first response,
anger.
1167
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:31,464
I was angry at her
for having committed this act
1168
01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:34,801
on somebody
I consider a friend,
1169
01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:39,764
and someone who
contributed so much
1170
01:23:39,848 --> 01:23:42,475
in his short life,
to our music.
1171
01:23:42,809 --> 01:23:46,688
That was my initial feeling,
one of anger.
1172
01:23:48,148 --> 01:23:49,315
And yet...
1173
01:23:52,193 --> 01:23:54,154
I had a feeling of compassion.
1174
01:23:55,572 --> 01:23:58,074
Because I realized that
this was the woman
1175
01:23:59,325 --> 01:24:03,329
who literally picked
this man up out of the gutter.
1176
01:24:03,413 --> 01:24:05,373
I mean literally, the gutter.
1177
01:24:07,167 --> 01:24:12,964
And made it possible for him
to function again as an artist,
1178
01:24:13,339 --> 01:24:14,924
as a human being.
1179
01:24:16,885 --> 01:24:20,930
[Wayne] Sometimes I am
talking to people now,
1180
01:24:22,265 --> 01:24:24,142
and I would say to them,
1181
01:24:26,394 --> 01:24:28,855
"You should have
known Lee Morgan,"
you know.
1182
01:24:30,106 --> 01:24:32,400
They'll see a picture of him
and say, "Who's this?"
1183
01:24:32,484 --> 01:24:34,736
I'll say,"His name
is Lee Morgan."
1184
01:24:37,405 --> 01:24:39,741
[jazz music playing]
1185
01:26:59,839 --> 01:27:02,842
[jazz music playing]
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