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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:41,188 --> 00:01:42,628 It's kind of an interesting question, 2 00:01:42,667 --> 00:01:44,495 was this film cursed? 3 00:01:47,671 --> 00:01:50,632 To take a Hollywood film set to Haiti 4 00:01:50,674 --> 00:01:53,634 in the immediate wake of the revolution 5 00:01:53,677 --> 00:01:56,115 was incredibly courageous. 6 00:01:58,204 --> 00:02:00,641 That world of Haiti can be very intimidating. 7 00:02:02,165 --> 00:02:04,298 Famously people either are repelled by Haiti 8 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:08,170 or they become absolute obsessives about Haiti. 9 00:02:08,215 --> 00:02:10,304 And I certainly was in the latter category. 10 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:14,872 I became almost to a fault an evangelist for Voodoo. 11 00:02:17,527 --> 00:02:19,965 My name's Wade Davis, I'm a Professor of Anthropology 12 00:02:20,009 --> 00:02:22,010 at the University of British Columbia, 13 00:02:22,054 --> 00:02:23,447 and a writer. 14 00:02:25,884 --> 00:02:28,757 Now, this began as a kind of serendipitous assignment. 15 00:02:31,542 --> 00:02:34,153 My great professor, Richard Evans Schultes, 16 00:02:34,197 --> 00:02:36,981 was very interested in this rumored existence 17 00:02:37,026 --> 00:02:40,028 of a folk poison in Haiti 18 00:02:40,072 --> 00:02:42,509 that was said to bring on a state of apparent death 19 00:02:42,552 --> 00:02:44,163 so profound, it could fool a physician. 20 00:02:45,687 --> 00:02:47,471 So he casually asked me if I was interested 21 00:02:47,514 --> 00:02:50,081 in going down to the island nation of Haiti, 22 00:02:50,126 --> 00:02:52,389 and searching for the formula of the drug 23 00:02:52,432 --> 00:02:55,697 reputedly implicated in this business of making zombies. 24 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:57,915 And naturally, I said yes. 25 00:03:00,004 --> 00:03:01,746 Zombies, the living dead, 26 00:03:01,789 --> 00:03:03,747 have for years been the staple ingredient 27 00:03:03,792 --> 00:03:06,055 of second-rate horror movies. 28 00:03:06,098 --> 00:03:08,491 But is there any truth behind the Hollywood fantasies? 29 00:03:09,884 --> 00:03:11,800 A couple of years ago, "Newsnight" took a look 30 00:03:11,842 --> 00:03:13,409 behind the cinema clich, s, 31 00:03:13,454 --> 00:03:15,673 and found that on the West Indian island of Haiti, 32 00:03:15,717 --> 00:03:18,110 truth is indeed stranger than fiction. 33 00:03:18,153 --> 00:03:21,461 - What drove the whole story was the discovery 34 00:03:21,504 --> 00:03:23,681 by a man called Lamarque Douyon, 35 00:03:23,724 --> 00:03:25,727 of the case of Clairvius Narcisse. 36 00:03:27,294 --> 00:03:29,644 This is 62 years old Clairvius Narcisse. 37 00:03:31,122 --> 00:03:32,710 He's looking at the grave in which he was buried 38 00:03:32,734 --> 00:03:34,909 19 years ago. 39 00:03:34,953 --> 00:03:37,868 The funeral was attended by all his family and friends. 40 00:03:39,305 --> 00:03:40,805 - He heard everything, when he was put in the coffin, 41 00:03:40,829 --> 00:03:42,743 when he was put in the grave. 42 00:03:42,787 --> 00:03:44,746 And he was showing you... - A scar here. 43 00:03:44,788 --> 00:03:47,836 - A scar here, it was a nail from his coffin. 44 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:51,840 So these lines of evidence led Douyon 45 00:03:51,883 --> 00:03:53,929 to go public, saying he had found the first 46 00:03:53,972 --> 00:03:56,713 verifiable instance of the living dead. 47 00:03:56,758 --> 00:03:59,543 And what he meant by that is he had found an individual 48 00:03:59,586 --> 00:04:02,110 who, by all accounts, had been pronounced dead, 49 00:04:02,153 --> 00:04:04,243 and turned back up into the realm of the living. 50 00:04:06,637 --> 00:04:09,552 These powders, of which I have somewhere, uh... 51 00:04:11,902 --> 00:04:13,383 this poison doesn't make a zombie. 52 00:04:14,818 --> 00:04:16,908 The question is, can this poison make someone appear 53 00:04:16,951 --> 00:04:18,562 to be dead? 54 00:04:19,781 --> 00:04:22,305 It's a whole plethora of ingredients: 55 00:04:22,348 --> 00:04:24,045 Bufo marinus, the Caribbean toad, 56 00:04:24,088 --> 00:04:26,439 with these big parotid glands 57 00:04:26,483 --> 00:04:28,355 with the cardioactive steroids in them, 58 00:04:28,398 --> 00:04:30,225 a number of toxic plants, 59 00:04:30,269 --> 00:04:32,271 broken glass, 60 00:04:32,314 --> 00:04:35,012 also um, human remains for magical reasons. 61 00:04:36,711 --> 00:04:39,627 And the most powerful neurotoxin found on Earth. 62 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:41,976 It's called tetrodotoxin. 63 00:04:42,019 --> 00:04:45,502 It comes from the viscera and the skin of a couple 64 00:04:45,545 --> 00:04:49,463 of different genera of puffer fish, if you will, 65 00:04:49,505 --> 00:04:52,639 which includes the legendary fugu fish, 66 00:04:52,682 --> 00:04:55,598 which is prepared by specially licensed chefs 67 00:04:55,643 --> 00:04:58,862 who are said in the West to eliminate the toxin. 68 00:05:02,605 --> 00:05:05,305 One of the things that I was completely unprepared for 69 00:05:05,348 --> 00:05:08,220 was how this would all kind of explode 70 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:10,396 over the American media. 71 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:13,399 So I walked off the street to a literary agent in London, 72 00:05:13,442 --> 00:05:15,879 and secured a-a book advance. 73 00:05:15,923 --> 00:05:18,274 And I used the book advance to finish the research, 74 00:05:18,317 --> 00:05:20,189 but then I had to write a book. 75 00:05:20,231 --> 00:05:21,949 And that's how "The Serpent and the Rainbow" 76 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:23,800 was actually written. 77 00:05:25,194 --> 00:05:28,023 The book really did attempt to take a phenomena, 78 00:05:28,065 --> 00:05:29,850 the Haitian zombie, that had been used 79 00:05:29,894 --> 00:05:32,375 in an explicitly racist way 80 00:05:32,418 --> 00:05:34,245 to denigrate a people and their religion, 81 00:05:34,290 --> 00:05:36,031 and it tried to make sense out of it. 82 00:05:36,074 --> 00:05:39,207 And I think David Ladd, the producer, really got that. 83 00:05:39,250 --> 00:05:41,557 And I think that was every bit his intention. 84 00:05:43,081 --> 00:05:44,952 - My name is David Ladd. 85 00:05:44,995 --> 00:05:47,346 I was the producer of "The Serpent and the Rainbow." 86 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:51,045 What I saw as a commercial appeal was 87 00:05:51,088 --> 00:05:53,483 the reality that zombies actually exist. 88 00:05:53,526 --> 00:05:56,007 I mean, zombies have been fodder 89 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:58,749 for films for years, and years, and years. 90 00:05:58,793 --> 00:06:01,970 But the fact that they actually exist 91 00:06:02,012 --> 00:06:04,538 was fascinating to me. 92 00:06:04,581 --> 00:06:06,975 And the lead character was a real life, 93 00:06:07,017 --> 00:06:09,106 honest-to-God Indiana Jones. 94 00:06:09,151 --> 00:06:10,935 He was the real deal. 95 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:14,175 - My favorite director at that time was Peter Weir. 96 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:16,550 And I thought that "The Year of Living Dangerously" 97 00:06:16,593 --> 00:06:19,029 was a really remarkable template 98 00:06:19,074 --> 00:06:21,031 for what I had actually experienced in Haiti. 99 00:06:22,598 --> 00:06:25,254 All of a sudden Wes popped up and said, 100 00:06:25,297 --> 00:06:27,081 "Gee, I'd really like to do this." 101 00:06:28,387 --> 00:06:29,824 And we couldn't resist. 102 00:06:31,564 --> 00:06:34,829 Wes was the hottest genre director in the business. 103 00:06:34,872 --> 00:06:37,831 And you know, zombies, Wes Craven, 104 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:40,137 who could pass on that? 105 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:44,141 Wade was both grateful and horrified. 106 00:06:44,185 --> 00:06:46,057 How can you do this? 107 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:48,058 This is a serious piece of work. 108 00:06:50,497 --> 00:06:52,629 - No, I'm not at all a horror film fan. 109 00:06:52,673 --> 00:06:54,935 I really have no relationship to the genre whatsoever. 110 00:06:58,242 --> 00:07:00,071 - Well, I suppose I do now, you know. 111 00:07:00,115 --> 00:07:02,552 Wes was very keen to move out 112 00:07:02,596 --> 00:07:04,946 of the horror genre at the time, 113 00:07:04,988 --> 00:07:07,338 and I remember Wes saying to me, sincerely, 114 00:07:07,382 --> 00:07:09,211 that he thought "The Serpent and the Rainbow" 115 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:12,432 would be his sort of ticket out in a way. 116 00:07:14,041 --> 00:07:16,565 My father was like a-kind of renaissance man. 117 00:07:18,394 --> 00:07:20,439 He didn't set out to be a horror director. 118 00:07:20,483 --> 00:07:22,832 I think that he was excited to... 119 00:07:22,877 --> 00:07:25,836 kind of leave horror a little bit. 120 00:07:27,925 --> 00:07:31,711 But I think that horror did allow him to work out 121 00:07:31,754 --> 00:07:34,454 some of his demons from childhood. 122 00:07:34,497 --> 00:07:36,891 He basically didn't have a father. 123 00:07:36,933 --> 00:07:38,564 His father left him when he was very, very young, 124 00:07:38,588 --> 00:07:40,502 and died when he was five. 125 00:07:40,547 --> 00:07:42,591 His mother, Caroline, my grandmother, 126 00:07:42,636 --> 00:07:44,855 was constantly trying to get my father 127 00:07:44,899 --> 00:07:48,468 to stop making these terrible, awful movies you're making. 128 00:07:51,252 --> 00:07:53,168 In "The Last House," "Hills have Eyes" era, 129 00:07:53,211 --> 00:07:55,952 he was a madman. You know, that's it. 130 00:07:55,997 --> 00:07:58,086 And people thought he should be locked up. 131 00:07:58,129 --> 00:08:01,045 I thought it was awesome that he was making these films. 132 00:08:01,088 --> 00:08:03,004 In those days, 133 00:08:03,047 --> 00:08:04,677 when you said you did those kind of movies, 134 00:08:04,701 --> 00:08:06,702 people would make little comments like, 135 00:08:06,747 --> 00:08:08,661 "I never watch those." 136 00:08:08,704 --> 00:08:11,403 So he was a little bit insecure about that. 137 00:08:12,927 --> 00:08:15,798 Well, when I first met Wes, I had an interview with him. 138 00:08:15,843 --> 00:08:17,497 Two days before the interview, 139 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:18,690 I watched "Nightmare on Elm Street," 140 00:08:18,714 --> 00:08:21,151 and it was so scary. 141 00:08:21,196 --> 00:08:23,478 And the night before, I watched "The Last House on the Left," 142 00:08:23,502 --> 00:08:25,591 and that was a little daunting. 143 00:08:25,634 --> 00:08:27,593 But then when I met him, 144 00:08:27,637 --> 00:08:30,074 he was so nice and charming, 145 00:08:30,117 --> 00:08:33,643 and he gave me a job as his assistant on "Deadly Friend." 146 00:08:35,078 --> 00:08:37,254 They sent us the book "The Serpent and the Rainbow." 147 00:08:37,298 --> 00:08:39,344 What a story! You know, zombies and Haiti and... 148 00:08:40,955 --> 00:08:42,609 This was a big studio movie. 149 00:08:43,913 --> 00:08:45,960 Then we just started casting. 150 00:08:46,003 --> 00:08:49,267 Bill, at the time, did a movie for my brother 151 00:08:49,311 --> 00:08:50,790 called "Spaceballs," 152 00:08:52,052 --> 00:08:54,316 which was how I was introduced to him. 153 00:08:54,359 --> 00:08:57,405 And I thought, Bill looks a lot like Wade Davis. 154 00:08:59,408 --> 00:09:00,975 - Barf! 155 00:09:01,018 --> 00:09:04,065 - And so we brought him in, and Wes fell in love with him. 156 00:09:04,107 --> 00:09:06,894 And from that point on, the part was his. 157 00:09:09,678 --> 00:09:12,333 That was the third movie 158 00:09:12,376 --> 00:09:13,988 that I was a part of. 159 00:09:14,030 --> 00:09:16,096 The first one, a small part, didn't shoot very long on it. 160 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,947 The second one, 161 00:09:17,991 --> 00:09:20,821 a magnum opus, "Spaceballs," 162 00:09:20,864 --> 00:09:23,345 which was quite exotic. 163 00:09:23,388 --> 00:09:26,129 But "The Serpent and the Rainbow" 164 00:09:26,173 --> 00:09:28,088 took it all to another level. 165 00:09:28,131 --> 00:09:30,047 And I thought, 166 00:09:30,091 --> 00:09:32,135 Is this is what my life is gonna be like? 167 00:09:33,572 --> 00:09:35,966 And it's only now that I realize, no, 168 00:09:36,009 --> 00:09:37,967 that never happened again. 169 00:09:38,011 --> 00:09:40,710 Never had quite the experience as we did 170 00:09:40,754 --> 00:09:42,885 on "The Serpent and the Rainbow." 171 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:46,586 After I did "Mona Lisa" 172 00:09:46,629 --> 00:09:49,413 in 1986, 173 00:09:49,457 --> 00:09:52,852 my agent mentioned about this film, 174 00:09:52,895 --> 00:09:54,724 "The Serpent and the Rainbow." 175 00:09:54,768 --> 00:09:56,769 And of course the whole, you know, 176 00:09:56,812 --> 00:09:59,380 Voodoo for a Black person, 177 00:09:59,423 --> 00:10:02,557 how Hollywood has interpreted Voodoo in the past 178 00:10:02,601 --> 00:10:04,647 as being these savages. 179 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:07,910 So I wanted to get this right. 180 00:10:07,955 --> 00:10:09,696 A blonde captain 181 00:10:09,739 --> 00:10:11,784 in the darkness of Voodoo land! 182 00:10:14,264 --> 00:10:16,224 - Where do we get this idea of Voodoo being 183 00:10:16,267 --> 00:10:18,312 a black magic cult? 184 00:10:19,793 --> 00:10:22,751 It largely comes from the fact that the U.S. Marine Corps 185 00:10:22,796 --> 00:10:25,885 occupied Haiti in the 1920s and stayed for 20 years. 186 00:10:28,539 --> 00:10:29,932 During the era of Jim Crow, 187 00:10:31,326 --> 00:10:33,327 segregation in the South, 188 00:10:33,370 --> 00:10:35,504 many of the Marines were from the South, 189 00:10:35,547 --> 00:10:37,090 and everybody above the rank of sergeant 190 00:10:37,114 --> 00:10:38,812 got a book contract. 191 00:10:38,855 --> 00:10:41,030 And the books had names like "Cannibal Cousins," 192 00:10:41,075 --> 00:10:42,859 and "Black Bagdad," 193 00:10:42,903 --> 00:10:44,774 "Voodoo Fire in Haiti," 194 00:10:44,817 --> 00:10:46,557 "A Puritan in Voodoo-Land," 195 00:10:46,601 --> 00:10:48,211 "The Magic Island," 196 00:10:48,255 --> 00:10:50,911 and all this pulp fiction that gave rise to the RKO movies. 197 00:10:54,043 --> 00:10:57,307 - She's making Voodoo. - She's making Voo do what? 198 00:10:57,351 --> 00:10:59,658 Voodoo! 199 00:10:59,701 --> 00:11:02,879 - I do? - Not "you do," Voodoo! 200 00:11:02,923 --> 00:11:05,751 - "Zombies on Broadway," "Zombies of the Stratosphere," 201 00:11:05,794 --> 00:11:07,710 "The White Zombie Slave," 202 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:10,408 were full of children bred for the cauldron. 203 00:11:10,451 --> 00:11:12,889 Pins and needles in Voodoo dolls don't even exist. 204 00:11:12,932 --> 00:11:15,892 And of course, notoriously, 205 00:11:15,936 --> 00:11:18,154 zombies crawling out of the grave to attack people. 206 00:11:23,769 --> 00:11:25,509 It's very unfashionable these days 207 00:11:25,553 --> 00:11:27,643 to have any anti-Black images, Man: Yes. 208 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:28,904 - But make 'em Voodoo priests, 209 00:11:28,948 --> 00:11:31,385 because then we can absolutely exploit them 210 00:11:31,428 --> 00:11:33,039 in any way possible, and I thought 211 00:11:33,082 --> 00:11:35,695 there was a lot of not too far under the surface racism 212 00:11:35,738 --> 00:11:37,913 in this movie that really offended me. 213 00:11:39,088 --> 00:11:40,830 - My entire investigation 214 00:11:40,874 --> 00:11:42,745 was trying to take this phenomena 215 00:11:42,788 --> 00:11:45,182 that had been used in a racist way to denigrate a people, 216 00:11:45,225 --> 00:11:47,967 and try to make sense out of sensation. 217 00:11:48,010 --> 00:11:50,404 Wade was very much into the authenticity 218 00:11:50,447 --> 00:11:52,188 of what we were doing. 219 00:11:54,061 --> 00:11:57,586 No other people looked like the Haitians 220 00:11:57,629 --> 00:12:00,327 or had the kind of culture of the Haitians. 221 00:12:02,155 --> 00:12:04,811 That's something that lives in that island. 222 00:12:06,812 --> 00:12:10,033 I mean, what an adventure to go and make a film in Haiti. 223 00:12:12,296 --> 00:12:14,645 When I was getting out of school I was interested 224 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:17,171 in writing and directing, and all that stuff. 225 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:20,043 My father said, come on out, 226 00:12:20,086 --> 00:12:21,966 and see what it's like to be on a real film set. 227 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,308 Weirdly, when I was a really little kid, 228 00:12:25,352 --> 00:12:27,746 I was on "The Last House" set like, twice. 229 00:12:27,789 --> 00:12:29,749 On the Lower East Side I had my balloon popped. 230 00:12:31,663 --> 00:12:33,621 That had been the sum of my experience on a set. 231 00:12:35,318 --> 00:12:37,451 If you want to do this, this is a really, 232 00:12:37,495 --> 00:12:39,366 really hard business. 233 00:12:39,409 --> 00:12:41,107 So if you're gonna work with me, 234 00:12:41,150 --> 00:12:42,979 you're gonna work your way up from the bottom. 235 00:12:44,459 --> 00:12:47,504 David Anderson, who was doing makeup effects for his father, 236 00:12:47,548 --> 00:12:49,506 was somebody I hung out with all the time. 237 00:12:51,205 --> 00:12:53,423 David Anderson, our makeup effects guy, 238 00:12:53,467 --> 00:12:56,078 his dad took the job and said, oh, you can have my son, 239 00:12:56,123 --> 00:12:58,168 because Lance didn't want to go to Haiti. 240 00:12:59,865 --> 00:13:02,085 So we didn't know that was David's first job. 241 00:13:02,129 --> 00:13:04,043 "Serpent" was the first feature 242 00:13:04,086 --> 00:13:06,176 that I was working for my Dad on, 243 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:08,482 and he tapped me to go to set. 244 00:13:08,525 --> 00:13:10,745 He said, I'm going to send you to Tahiti. 245 00:13:10,789 --> 00:13:12,835 And I was really excited. 246 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:15,359 And then I realized it was to Haiti, not Tahiti. 247 00:13:16,620 --> 00:13:18,798 Although, to me at that point, 248 00:13:18,841 --> 00:13:20,253 there really wasn't a whole lot of difference 249 00:13:20,277 --> 00:13:22,192 between Haiti and Tahiti. 250 00:13:22,235 --> 00:13:23,846 Uh, but there is now. 251 00:13:26,849 --> 00:13:28,740 While I was getting off the plane in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, 252 00:13:28,764 --> 00:13:30,418 I kind of recognized a couple of faces 253 00:13:30,461 --> 00:13:32,855 that had been on the other flight, 254 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:35,770 and soon realized that we were on the same crew, 255 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,488 and that we were heading to the same place. 256 00:13:37,511 --> 00:13:39,730 This was such an amazing adventure. 257 00:13:39,774 --> 00:13:41,821 We were all similar in age, 258 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:44,649 and we were all earlyish in our careers. 259 00:13:45,912 --> 00:13:47,477 Wes loved it. He was right there 260 00:13:47,522 --> 00:13:49,044 in the middle of everything. 261 00:13:51,047 --> 00:13:53,048 David Ladd called me up and said, 262 00:13:53,092 --> 00:13:55,027 Well, what do you wear in Haiti? I said, I don't know, 263 00:13:55,051 --> 00:13:57,183 but there's this outfit in San Francisco 264 00:13:57,226 --> 00:13:59,360 you've never heard of called Banana Republic. 265 00:13:59,403 --> 00:14:01,797 They make all these great linen and cotton clothes. 266 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:04,755 At the time, Banana Republic was a store 267 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:07,236 where you bought your stuff to go on safari, 268 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,153 you know, become adventurers like Indiana Jones. 269 00:14:10,197 --> 00:14:13,025 I mean, they had the hats, and I mean, 270 00:14:13,068 --> 00:14:15,679 it was, you know, you had a whole look. 271 00:14:15,724 --> 00:14:17,769 When I got down to the set, 272 00:14:17,812 --> 00:14:19,835 the whole goddamn production from grip to the director 273 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:21,990 was dressed head-to-toe in Banana Republic. 274 00:14:23,340 --> 00:14:25,472 - It didn't really seem the kind of stuff 275 00:14:25,515 --> 00:14:28,432 that Wade would wear, but David really said, 276 00:14:28,475 --> 00:14:30,870 oh, wait 'til you meet him. He dresses like this. 277 00:14:30,913 --> 00:14:32,697 Yeah, this is how he dresses. 278 00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:36,484 And um, David had begun to dress like this. 279 00:14:36,527 --> 00:14:38,312 And basically it was Banana Republic stuff. 280 00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:42,796 The pants with the pockets on the side, and the... 281 00:14:44,144 --> 00:14:45,971 it was great. 282 00:14:48,322 --> 00:14:50,585 At the time when we first went down there, 283 00:14:50,628 --> 00:14:52,195 Baby Doc had fallen 284 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:55,024 as the dictator of Haiti. 285 00:14:56,373 --> 00:14:58,375 - The president for life they called Baby Doc 286 00:14:58,418 --> 00:15:00,246 flew away from Haiti today, to France. 287 00:15:01,465 --> 00:15:03,206 - A few hours before dawn today, 288 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:05,381 an American military transport plane 289 00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:07,514 took off from Haiti's capital of Port-au-Prince, 290 00:15:07,557 --> 00:15:10,125 carrying President Jean-Claude Duvalier, 291 00:15:10,169 --> 00:15:12,955 members of his family, and several staff people, 292 00:15:12,999 --> 00:15:14,956 and security guards. 293 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,090 It brought to an end one of the longest-running 294 00:15:17,133 --> 00:15:20,048 and most brutal dictatorships in the Caribbean. 295 00:15:20,092 --> 00:15:22,529 As soon as the Haitian people heard the news this morning, 296 00:15:22,572 --> 00:15:24,357 there was dancing in the streets, 297 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,056 along with numerous reports of violence 298 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:29,231 against members of the dreaded militia 299 00:15:29,275 --> 00:15:31,625 associated with Baby Doc. 300 00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:34,585 That was the Tonton Macoute, 301 00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:37,544 which was the kind of secret police of the Duvaliers 302 00:15:37,587 --> 00:15:39,634 and their reign in Haiti. 303 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:43,289 It was a wild time down there. 304 00:15:44,725 --> 00:15:47,729 And unfortunately, I mean, Haiti has struggled ever since, 305 00:15:47,772 --> 00:15:49,817 and-and before, long before. 306 00:16:00,916 --> 00:16:03,352 - These are all from Haiti. 307 00:16:03,397 --> 00:16:05,702 I was taught to take more pictures than you need. 308 00:16:07,443 --> 00:16:09,793 These are just continuity from the script. 309 00:16:09,837 --> 00:16:11,796 So this was obviously Bill, 310 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,494 and he just got hit with the powder. 311 00:16:13,537 --> 00:16:15,365 Aah! 312 00:16:18,586 --> 00:16:21,153 - And this was from a scene that David Ladd, 313 00:16:21,197 --> 00:16:24,200 I believe, shot, the second unit director scene. 314 00:16:24,244 --> 00:16:26,158 That's where I learned the term "magic hour." 315 00:16:26,201 --> 00:16:28,682 It's "magic hour!" What the fuck is "magic hour?" 316 00:16:32,338 --> 00:16:34,514 Before we started filming, we were all invited 317 00:16:34,557 --> 00:16:36,995 to a Voodoo ceremony where we were all gonna be blessed. 318 00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:41,000 It was like, okay, you guys are here in Haiti. 319 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:42,629 Well, guess what, you're gonna come into the jungle, 320 00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:45,004 you're gonna get hammered on alcohol, 321 00:16:45,047 --> 00:16:47,484 and then we're gonna show you some shit. 322 00:16:47,528 --> 00:16:50,009 And that's exactly what happened. 323 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:51,551 - I don't know what the producers were thinking. 324 00:16:51,575 --> 00:16:53,663 We went out at night 325 00:16:53,707 --> 00:16:56,363 into the heart of the countryside 326 00:16:56,405 --> 00:16:58,321 to a Voodoo ceremony. 327 00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:02,195 - Women and men would come out and do these dances, 328 00:17:02,238 --> 00:17:05,153 and then allow themselves to become possessed. 329 00:17:05,198 --> 00:17:08,243 - You'd see that moment of possession. 330 00:17:09,506 --> 00:17:12,291 Now this person is being ridden by a God. 331 00:17:12,335 --> 00:17:15,121 - It was all real at that moment. 332 00:17:15,163 --> 00:17:17,384 These people believed it. 333 00:17:17,426 --> 00:17:20,343 And after that evening, so did we. 334 00:17:21,910 --> 00:17:23,954 What it did is it turned this group of strangers 335 00:17:23,999 --> 00:17:25,695 into a family. 336 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:29,090 It was a ceremony to bless us, 337 00:17:29,134 --> 00:17:32,050 and take away all the evil spirits to protect us, 338 00:17:33,661 --> 00:17:37,359 so that we could successfully make this film in Haiti. 339 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:44,846 It felt to me that every day was 16 or 18 hours. 340 00:17:47,021 --> 00:17:50,286 It was an insanely ambitious amount of material, 341 00:17:51,766 --> 00:17:53,636 and not a lot of control. 342 00:17:54,942 --> 00:17:56,509 Everything was shot on location, 343 00:17:56,552 --> 00:17:58,598 so you're always in a village, 344 00:17:58,642 --> 00:18:01,297 many which had never seen a film crew before. 345 00:18:02,951 --> 00:18:04,605 There were tons of extras around, 346 00:18:04,647 --> 00:18:07,433 and people that didn't know not to look into camera, 347 00:18:09,087 --> 00:18:12,090 and it was definitely not a normal film set experience. 348 00:18:14,962 --> 00:18:17,138 Thinking back on it, I just think, 349 00:18:17,182 --> 00:18:19,836 who was protecting us as a film crew, 350 00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:24,190 Because we did not come across the Tonton Macoute, 351 00:18:24,232 --> 00:18:26,147 but they were there. 352 00:18:28,193 --> 00:18:30,020 I think the producers really underestimated 353 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:32,285 the danger of Haiti. 354 00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:35,480 I just kinda had a sense that this isn't gonna be 355 00:18:35,505 --> 00:18:37,115 as easy as you think. 356 00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:40,162 I wasn't qualified to be there at all. 357 00:18:41,729 --> 00:18:43,402 You know, whether I was a seasoned filmmaker or not, 358 00:18:43,425 --> 00:18:46,211 nobody had an advantage over me, 359 00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:49,605 because it was all new. 360 00:18:51,868 --> 00:18:53,958 We were wanting to honor their traditions, 361 00:18:54,001 --> 00:18:56,003 and particularly their religion. 362 00:18:57,222 --> 00:18:59,137 Part of it was I think everybody knew 363 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,878 we needed to have them favor us. 364 00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:05,578 And that if we didn't get their favor, 365 00:19:05,622 --> 00:19:07,624 we would have a hard time shooting. 366 00:19:09,104 --> 00:19:11,105 Things could turn bad. 367 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:13,368 No! 368 00:19:30,038 --> 00:19:31,473 I had done some travelling. 369 00:19:31,518 --> 00:19:33,346 But you still get culture shock 370 00:19:33,388 --> 00:19:35,217 when you're somewhere like that. 371 00:19:36,435 --> 00:19:38,220 And everyone had culture shock, 372 00:19:38,263 --> 00:19:40,111 especially a lot of the actors had culture shock. 373 00:19:40,134 --> 00:19:42,006 Um... many people, 374 00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:43,890 a few people had nervous breakdowns over there. 375 00:19:46,184 --> 00:19:48,448 We had a writer, Richard Maxwell, 376 00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:51,277 who literally was possessed at a certain point. 377 00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:57,934 That was one of the most odd experiences of the film, 378 00:19:57,979 --> 00:19:59,675 and of the making of it. 379 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,592 Richard was down there, and of course, uh, 380 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:04,246 he wanted to be exposed 381 00:20:05,726 --> 00:20:09,295 to as many of the authentic characters and places 382 00:20:09,337 --> 00:20:11,731 as he could possibly be, 383 00:20:11,775 --> 00:20:14,734 as he was doing a kind of final rewrite with Wes. 384 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:17,626 And I don't remember the specifics of it, 385 00:20:17,651 --> 00:20:20,914 but Richard got involved with a Voodoo practitioner 386 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:23,395 who he thought had put a curse on him. 387 00:20:23,439 --> 00:20:25,615 - Richard was a nice guy. 388 00:20:25,659 --> 00:20:27,375 But... and he was very sincere about Voodoo, 389 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,489 but he got so shaken by the experience 390 00:20:29,531 --> 00:20:31,751 he had a nervous breakdown on the set. 391 00:20:31,795 --> 00:20:34,232 I think they sent Jill Simpson to his room 392 00:20:36,234 --> 00:20:38,192 to see how he was doing, 393 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,239 and he was only in a t-shirt. 394 00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:42,501 And as I recall, it like, had a bullseye on it, 395 00:20:42,545 --> 00:20:44,199 and that was it. Nothing else. 396 00:20:44,242 --> 00:20:45,853 - You know, it was-it was... 397 00:20:47,549 --> 00:20:49,354 - So obviously, she came back, she said, oh my God, 398 00:20:49,377 --> 00:20:51,510 we're in trouble. 399 00:20:51,554 --> 00:20:53,556 I'd see him at dinner or something, and... 400 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:56,037 "how are the rewrites goin'?" 401 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:57,666 But it was the moment when he said, yeah, 402 00:20:57,691 --> 00:20:59,300 I really got a lot done. 403 00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:02,434 I, you know, there was... 404 00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:05,741 trouble with the original name for my character, 405 00:21:05,786 --> 00:21:07,656 and uh, it had... 406 00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:10,660 Eventually the lawyers 407 00:21:10,703 --> 00:21:13,009 decided that "Dennis" 408 00:21:13,054 --> 00:21:15,490 would be a good first name, and I hated that name. 409 00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:18,015 I just never liked Dennis. 410 00:21:18,058 --> 00:21:19,973 But that's what he had to do. 411 00:21:20,017 --> 00:21:22,150 And I remember he said, uh, I got a lot done. 412 00:21:22,192 --> 00:21:24,934 I've changed all the names. 413 00:21:24,979 --> 00:21:27,763 So every one of 'em says "Dennis." 414 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:31,811 And then I realized, oh, that's like, a click, 415 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:33,465 with software. 416 00:21:34,683 --> 00:21:36,903 - This one morning, we, we found him 417 00:21:36,947 --> 00:21:40,342 standing outside Wes's door completely naked. 418 00:21:42,212 --> 00:21:43,519 And around him were 419 00:21:44,693 --> 00:21:47,044 25 cigarette butts. 420 00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:50,700 - Wes opened the door and there he was, 421 00:21:50,743 --> 00:21:53,223 and he's just like, I'm sorry, man, I can't do it. 422 00:21:53,268 --> 00:21:54,835 - And he just stood there and smoked 423 00:21:54,877 --> 00:21:57,054 until Wes got up. 424 00:21:57,097 --> 00:21:58,795 And Wes came and got me. 425 00:22:00,666 --> 00:22:03,844 I got on a plane with him and got him to Miami, 426 00:22:03,886 --> 00:22:07,064 handed him off to his wife, and he was flown home. 427 00:22:07,107 --> 00:22:10,676 But he-he was completely under some kind of a... 428 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,070 What he thought was a Voodoo spell. 429 00:22:14,115 --> 00:22:16,073 Other people had nervous breakdowns. 430 00:22:16,116 --> 00:22:17,553 Who else had a nervous breakdown? 431 00:22:17,596 --> 00:22:19,859 - I don't know if I can tell you. 432 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:21,644 It might have been one of the actors. 433 00:22:23,558 --> 00:22:26,126 And I think they had... a nightmare or a vision. 434 00:22:29,565 --> 00:22:31,306 - Uh... 435 00:22:32,699 --> 00:22:34,830 really, I always have a hard time talking about this, 436 00:22:37,181 --> 00:22:39,182 because I don't know the audience. 437 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:43,623 You know, I don't know people's openness. 438 00:22:46,538 --> 00:22:48,801 I went through this ceremony, 439 00:22:48,845 --> 00:22:51,152 and um, just a really... 440 00:22:51,194 --> 00:22:53,936 Some-some unsettling things happened 441 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:57,941 in that-in terms of things that I perceived about myself, 442 00:22:57,984 --> 00:23:00,290 and different environments and everything, and so... 443 00:23:00,335 --> 00:23:02,642 The-right away, Wes says, like, what'd you take? 444 00:23:02,684 --> 00:23:04,425 What'd you drink? Did you smoke anything? 445 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:07,255 You know. 446 00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:11,564 Some of it is pretty much um... 447 00:23:13,653 --> 00:23:16,525 some things that people probably have experienced 448 00:23:16,568 --> 00:23:19,354 in different times with clairvoyance 449 00:23:19,397 --> 00:23:22,791 or a sense of past lives or something. 450 00:23:29,232 --> 00:23:30,538 I had a lot of uh, 451 00:23:31,887 --> 00:23:34,586 sequences to do with travelling really quickly 452 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:37,240 over the surface of Africa. 453 00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:42,508 And moving towards a gathering of people 454 00:23:42,550 --> 00:23:45,249 out in the middle of nowhere. 455 00:23:45,292 --> 00:23:47,425 And I realized that it was a convocation of people 456 00:23:47,469 --> 00:23:50,471 of all skin tones and colors. 457 00:23:50,516 --> 00:23:53,257 And that there was this... Steps with an oration. 458 00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:58,087 That was an experience where I was so disturbed, 459 00:23:58,132 --> 00:24:01,265 I cancelled the rehearsals the next day. 460 00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:04,660 They said, what's the matter with you? 461 00:24:04,703 --> 00:24:06,575 And I didn't want to talk about it, you know. 462 00:24:06,618 --> 00:24:09,011 I just, but Wes was really like, 463 00:24:09,056 --> 00:24:10,449 this is why we came here. 464 00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:16,454 We shot a scene in a cemetery at night. 465 00:24:18,718 --> 00:24:22,329 And I actually had to get into an open grave 466 00:24:22,373 --> 00:24:24,549 that one of our skeletons had to go in, 467 00:24:24,593 --> 00:24:27,335 that I had to get in and dress. 468 00:24:27,377 --> 00:24:28,964 That's just one of those moments where you just go, 469 00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:30,598 what the fuck am I doing here? 470 00:24:31,773 --> 00:24:33,384 Getting into the hole, 471 00:24:33,427 --> 00:24:35,473 I'll never forget looking and seeing the rocks 472 00:24:35,517 --> 00:24:38,214 around the wall of the hole that they had dug for me, 473 00:24:38,259 --> 00:24:40,217 and coming to the realization 474 00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:42,567 that those were not rocks, that those were bones. 475 00:24:42,611 --> 00:24:44,787 And they were at all levels. 476 00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:46,833 There were bones, people piled on top of people. 477 00:24:46,875 --> 00:24:48,964 - Oh shit! Oh sh... - Are you okay? 478 00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:50,792 And we just dug... 479 00:24:52,229 --> 00:24:54,710 this horrible hole right in the middle of it all, 480 00:24:54,753 --> 00:24:57,712 And excavated all these body parts, and bodies, 481 00:24:57,757 --> 00:25:00,454 and put 'em aside, and put our fake skeleton in there, 482 00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:02,195 and shot the scene. 483 00:25:02,239 --> 00:25:03,980 And uh... 484 00:25:04,023 --> 00:25:06,026 for that I'm probably goin' to Hell. 485 00:25:07,548 --> 00:25:09,221 There's all these scenes with piles of skulls 486 00:25:09,246 --> 00:25:11,248 and piles of bones everywhere, right? 487 00:25:11,291 --> 00:25:13,381 The set dressing was three or four 488 00:25:13,423 --> 00:25:16,210 enormous gunny sacks of human bones. 489 00:25:16,252 --> 00:25:18,385 And I never asked where they got 'em. 490 00:25:18,429 --> 00:25:19,909 I didn't want to know. 491 00:25:21,214 --> 00:25:22,781 Should I even be talking about this? 492 00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:25,219 Like, I-I don't even know that this is cool, you know. 493 00:25:25,261 --> 00:25:27,176 This is not cool. Like... 494 00:25:28,743 --> 00:25:31,224 We had several members of local crew. 495 00:25:31,268 --> 00:25:33,052 And this one woman in particular 496 00:25:33,096 --> 00:25:35,576 was going to help us wrangle some bones for an altar 497 00:25:35,621 --> 00:25:37,797 that we were creating. 498 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,538 And um, when she delivered the bones, 499 00:25:40,582 --> 00:25:42,540 we realized they were real human bones. 500 00:25:42,584 --> 00:25:45,544 And she had uh, robbed a grave. 501 00:25:47,022 --> 00:25:48,981 - Ah! There's a lot of stories 502 00:25:49,025 --> 00:25:50,592 I don't know if I want to tell, 503 00:25:50,635 --> 00:25:52,569 I don't even know if I should've told the bone story, 504 00:25:52,594 --> 00:25:54,422 - but um... - Too late. 505 00:25:54,464 --> 00:25:55,989 Yeah! 506 00:25:57,643 --> 00:26:00,166 When they go to make the Voodoo potion in the cemetery, 507 00:26:01,384 --> 00:26:03,083 there's a shot where the camera 508 00:26:03,125 --> 00:26:05,346 kinda dollies through the gravestones. 509 00:26:05,388 --> 00:26:07,740 And I don't want to accuse anybody of this, 510 00:26:07,782 --> 00:26:09,915 somebody told me like, we're gonna put 511 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:11,787 a dolly track down here, 512 00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:14,136 so those two headstones have to move, and... 513 00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:18,445 and you-you know, clear the path. 514 00:26:18,489 --> 00:26:20,230 Like, make a level path. 515 00:26:20,273 --> 00:26:23,103 And um, the graves were not deep. 516 00:26:23,145 --> 00:26:25,671 And the bodies didn't seem to be in coffins. 517 00:26:27,193 --> 00:26:29,761 So there was sort of some moving of bones, 518 00:26:29,805 --> 00:26:31,763 and you'd kind of move a headst... you know, 519 00:26:31,807 --> 00:26:33,808 take a picture of the headstones, and move it, 520 00:26:33,853 --> 00:26:36,507 and put it back later. 521 00:26:36,550 --> 00:26:38,094 I think we may have... desecrated some stuff. 522 00:26:38,117 --> 00:26:39,945 I'm not sure. But I don't remember. 523 00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:41,730 I could-it could all be a hallucination. 524 00:26:41,773 --> 00:26:43,905 Please don't hold me to any of this. 525 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:46,473 To me, when a bunch of Americans 526 00:26:46,517 --> 00:26:48,146 try to recreate something that's happening 527 00:26:48,171 --> 00:26:50,086 in Haitian culture, that's enough to be 528 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:52,306 a little nerve-wracking right there. 529 00:26:52,348 --> 00:26:55,656 If we had disrupted something there by doing something wrong, 530 00:26:55,701 --> 00:26:58,181 would we have called in a God that was angry at us? 531 00:26:59,704 --> 00:27:01,444 I don't know. 532 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:07,843 At this point we'd been there 533 00:27:07,886 --> 00:27:09,452 for a number of weeks. 534 00:27:12,107 --> 00:27:14,414 But nobody had really dealt 535 00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:16,634 with the desperation of the people. 536 00:27:18,506 --> 00:27:22,075 So it was kind of a little bit shocking, 537 00:27:22,117 --> 00:27:24,032 and a little bit frightening 538 00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:26,078 to see this all of a sudden change 539 00:27:26,122 --> 00:27:27,993 in the way that it had. 540 00:27:31,561 --> 00:27:33,041 We were shooting the giant procession. 541 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,872 So we had our main characters, 542 00:27:36,915 --> 00:27:40,615 and literally thousands of Haitian extras. 543 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,269 I think there were 2,000. 544 00:27:45,315 --> 00:27:47,665 They hired like, 1,500 extras, 545 00:27:49,318 --> 00:27:51,558 but of course it quickly grew to 3,000 or 4,000 in Haiti. 546 00:27:54,367 --> 00:27:56,195 Then they had the naivete to think 547 00:27:56,239 --> 00:27:58,111 that the assistant director could go, "cut!" 548 00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,592 Well, you don't let loose 4,000 Haitians, 549 00:28:01,635 --> 00:28:04,508 drums, night, torches, and music, 550 00:28:04,551 --> 00:28:06,989 and song, and chant, and go, "cut!" 551 00:28:07,032 --> 00:28:10,252 I mean, this was a full-on ceremony at this point. 552 00:28:19,435 --> 00:28:20,741 And rumor went out that everybody 553 00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:22,701 wasn't gonna get paid. 554 00:28:22,743 --> 00:28:24,287 - Some of the extras found out that other people 555 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:25,964 were getting more money. 556 00:28:26,008 --> 00:28:28,444 And so they all were demanding to be paid 557 00:28:28,489 --> 00:28:30,011 the greater amount of money. 558 00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:31,971 And it may have been the difference of a dollar 559 00:28:32,013 --> 00:28:33,885 to ten dollars, which, it... 560 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:35,974 You know, that many years ago, in Haiti, 561 00:28:36,018 --> 00:28:38,019 was an, an incredible amount of money. 562 00:28:38,064 --> 00:28:40,153 There was a lot of people. 563 00:28:40,195 --> 00:28:42,328 Even before we came down there, that said, 564 00:28:42,372 --> 00:28:44,417 you're gonna come into Haiti, 565 00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:47,115 and you have an insane amount of money 566 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,378 for this conditions that these people live in here. 567 00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:54,689 The average pay a day is a dollar 568 00:28:54,732 --> 00:28:56,430 for cuttin' sugar cane, 569 00:28:56,472 --> 00:28:58,648 one of the worst jobs you could ever have in this life. 570 00:28:59,954 --> 00:29:02,218 And I think production was trying to get... 571 00:29:02,261 --> 00:29:04,176 Well, we'll give 'em three dollars a day. 572 00:29:05,917 --> 00:29:07,875 - They felt that we were underpaying them, 573 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,703 and I think we probably were. 574 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:11,140 And they wanted more money. 575 00:29:15,623 --> 00:29:18,191 You know, suddenly I began to get a feeling 576 00:29:18,233 --> 00:29:20,061 that people were getting anxious. 577 00:29:20,105 --> 00:29:22,673 And I was hearing from ADs that there was uh, 578 00:29:22,717 --> 00:29:24,500 talk of a strike, 579 00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:26,589 that the extras were gonna strike. 580 00:29:28,417 --> 00:29:32,682 And then, you know, that kinda became louder and louder, 581 00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:36,077 and then it became more like a little bit of an unrest. 582 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:39,820 - And I'll never forget, at this point, 583 00:29:39,865 --> 00:29:41,704 I thought I had a great bond with these people. 584 00:29:41,736 --> 00:29:43,390 And I got up on top of a bus, 585 00:29:43,432 --> 00:29:45,826 and I was trying to negotiate with them. 586 00:29:45,871 --> 00:29:48,176 - I remember him with a mic... A megaphone, 587 00:29:48,221 --> 00:29:50,309 in his Banana Republic outfit. 588 00:29:50,353 --> 00:29:54,140 And on top of this building with the megaphone 589 00:29:54,182 --> 00:29:56,010 and a translator, 590 00:29:56,055 --> 00:29:59,057 trying to talk everybody down. 591 00:29:59,101 --> 00:30:01,799 - And I looked down, and they all had rocks in their hands. 592 00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:04,019 - And the negotiations fell apart, 593 00:30:04,063 --> 00:30:07,066 and they revolted, and started throwing rocks at us. 594 00:30:07,108 --> 00:30:09,285 - And they started to kind of riot. 595 00:30:09,328 --> 00:30:10,982 - We had to leave our camera equipment, 596 00:30:11,026 --> 00:30:13,288 everybody had to... We had to run into a church, 597 00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:14,900 and lock the door. 598 00:30:14,942 --> 00:30:17,641 - We were surrounded, and... 599 00:30:18,946 --> 00:30:21,731 we... we needed to get out. 600 00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:24,257 In the meantime, Doug had ensconced himself 601 00:30:24,299 --> 00:30:27,607 in a house, and was paying the extras 602 00:30:27,651 --> 00:30:29,827 with what money he had. 603 00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:31,873 The word was out that we are out of here. 604 00:30:31,916 --> 00:30:36,050 And I literally ran straight from set into a bus, 605 00:30:36,095 --> 00:30:39,054 got in the bus, and off we went. 606 00:30:39,097 --> 00:30:41,317 And I was in one of the first buses that left, 607 00:30:41,361 --> 00:30:44,451 um, with rocks pelting the back of the bus as we left. 608 00:30:46,713 --> 00:30:48,585 We went straight from that location 609 00:30:48,628 --> 00:30:50,805 straight to a running plane, 610 00:30:50,848 --> 00:30:53,373 and straight to the Dominican Republic. 611 00:30:54,634 --> 00:30:56,375 That was it for Haiti. 612 00:30:56,419 --> 00:30:58,726 I-I do like to be an adventurer. 613 00:31:00,249 --> 00:31:02,121 But with adventure 614 00:31:02,163 --> 00:31:04,210 comes responsibility as well. 615 00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:09,040 No one had thought about, you know, 616 00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:11,520 you're gonna gather a thousand people together 617 00:31:11,565 --> 00:31:13,567 who are making three dollars a day. 618 00:31:15,263 --> 00:31:16,875 I think it was a naive decision. 619 00:31:19,573 --> 00:31:20,984 We all got over to Dominican Republic, 620 00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:23,184 Santa Domingo. 621 00:31:23,229 --> 00:31:25,535 Everybody is completely exhausted. 622 00:31:25,578 --> 00:31:27,885 And uh, the luggage doesn't appear. 623 00:31:31,192 --> 00:31:33,107 Obviously there's a scam happening, 624 00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:35,259 So I got on the luggage rack and I crawled through the door 625 00:31:35,284 --> 00:31:37,242 and went out on the tarmac, 626 00:31:37,286 --> 00:31:39,897 and came around the side of the luggage van 627 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:42,335 with-filled with luggage from the plane. 628 00:31:42,377 --> 00:31:44,423 And I saw like, five Dominican cops 629 00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:46,338 trying on everybody's clothes. 630 00:31:47,905 --> 00:31:49,819 Caught them red-handed. 631 00:31:49,864 --> 00:31:51,865 And I just said, no. You know, I speak Spanish. 632 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:53,563 I said, yeah, no, no. 633 00:31:53,606 --> 00:31:55,913 No es posible, hermanos, por favor. 634 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:03,486 When you make a film, you become a family. 635 00:32:05,662 --> 00:32:08,143 This is a group of people that are brought together 636 00:32:08,186 --> 00:32:11,625 anywhere from three or four months' worth of time 637 00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:14,105 to a year's time. 638 00:32:14,148 --> 00:32:17,326 And you share your life with them, 639 00:32:17,369 --> 00:32:19,327 and they share their lives with you. 640 00:32:20,676 --> 00:32:22,941 And Marianne, she and Jill, 641 00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:24,681 this is Jill Simpson here, 642 00:32:24,724 --> 00:32:27,380 were this dynamic duo. 643 00:32:27,423 --> 00:32:29,730 And without them, I don't think Wes could have functioned. 644 00:32:31,862 --> 00:32:33,951 "The Serpent and the Rainbow" 645 00:32:33,994 --> 00:32:36,315 was the movie that Wes and I decided to become partners on. 646 00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:42,002 I started working with Wes as a producer on "Shocker." 647 00:32:44,179 --> 00:32:46,834 We did "Shocker," and "People Under The Stairs" 648 00:32:46,876 --> 00:32:48,749 for Universal. 649 00:32:48,791 --> 00:32:51,317 We clicked, and we were really good friends, 650 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,101 and we just had a really good partnership. 651 00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:57,148 I just thought Wes was gonna be here forever, 652 00:32:57,192 --> 00:32:59,759 because he was so full of life and interested, 653 00:32:59,802 --> 00:33:01,718 and intriguing. 654 00:33:01,761 --> 00:33:03,826 And it-it just kind of doesn't make sense that he's gone 655 00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:05,505 even to me now. 656 00:33:08,942 --> 00:33:10,857 It was family. 657 00:33:10,901 --> 00:33:12,729 Obviously for David as well. 658 00:33:12,772 --> 00:33:15,054 I mean, he met his wife through "Serpent and the Rainbow." 659 00:33:17,385 --> 00:33:19,605 I had to ask for his approval to marry Heather, 660 00:33:19,648 --> 00:33:21,738 basically. 661 00:33:23,913 --> 00:33:25,394 I didn't even ask Heather's father. 662 00:33:25,438 --> 00:33:27,179 I had to ask Wes Craven. 663 00:33:29,484 --> 00:33:31,704 So, there you have it. 664 00:33:31,748 --> 00:33:33,010 Thank you, Wes. 665 00:33:34,621 --> 00:33:36,275 People loved him. 666 00:33:36,317 --> 00:33:38,538 People went through Hell for him, 667 00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:40,670 and did it gladly. 668 00:33:40,713 --> 00:33:42,585 Like, were happy to be there. 669 00:33:44,065 --> 00:33:45,607 You know for me it could be challenging at times 670 00:33:45,632 --> 00:33:48,200 because I was like, the film crew is really your family. 671 00:33:49,635 --> 00:33:51,420 Everybody worked with my father, 672 00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:53,223 and people would interface with him and interviewed him, 673 00:33:53,248 --> 00:33:55,119 and knew him, oh my God, he's such a great guy. 674 00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:57,383 And he was. He was a great guy. 675 00:33:57,425 --> 00:33:59,340 He was not a great father. 676 00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:03,563 I've talked to a lot of people about it. 677 00:34:03,605 --> 00:34:05,279 It just-it just wasn't something that he could 678 00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:07,132 really wrap his head around. 679 00:34:07,174 --> 00:34:09,916 He wanted to, I think, but... 680 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,068 he didn't want to do that more than he wanted to be a director 681 00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:14,791 and wanted to be who he had become. 682 00:34:16,489 --> 00:34:18,273 He tried to branch out and do other things. 683 00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:19,927 He's-he comes back to horror. 684 00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:21,668 That's where the opportunity is, 685 00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:23,626 and that's where he gets to process 686 00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:25,498 whatever happened to him as a child, 687 00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:27,630 which, I know broad strokes of. 688 00:34:27,673 --> 00:34:29,284 There's definitely trauma there. 689 00:34:30,806 --> 00:34:32,635 I think he did what he did really well, 690 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,289 and he put everything into it. 691 00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:36,465 And he had a lot of compassion for the people 692 00:34:36,509 --> 00:34:38,076 who were around him. 693 00:34:39,293 --> 00:34:40,990 I think he had a lot of compassion for me 694 00:34:41,034 --> 00:34:42,818 and my sister. 695 00:34:42,862 --> 00:34:44,623 I think he didn't always know how to connect. 696 00:34:45,692 --> 00:34:48,041 And uh, and that's... that's true for a lot of people, 697 00:34:48,085 --> 00:34:49,434 a lot of fathers and sons. 698 00:34:53,873 --> 00:34:56,833 We're not gonna be like, super cozy as father and son. 699 00:34:56,876 --> 00:34:59,706 But we were able to come together on film sets, 700 00:34:59,748 --> 00:35:02,143 and that was a beautiful thing. 701 00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:22,336 When the film came out, 702 00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:24,164 I was disappointed. 703 00:35:25,427 --> 00:35:28,081 These gratuitous horror elements, 704 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:31,215 to my mind, completely deflated the power 705 00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:33,914 of the truth of the story. 706 00:35:33,956 --> 00:35:37,873 But I also clearly recognize that it wasn't my film. 707 00:35:37,918 --> 00:35:39,485 It was Wes Craven's film. 708 00:35:40,963 --> 00:35:44,402 In my book I had targeted these movies 709 00:35:44,445 --> 00:35:47,318 as being the perpetrators 710 00:35:47,362 --> 00:35:49,842 of the grotesque stereotypes about Voodoo. 711 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,976 - And then suddenly, I'm held responsible 712 00:35:54,021 --> 00:35:56,501 for a Wes Craven movie that by all accounts 713 00:35:56,545 --> 00:35:58,894 essentially perpetuates that same stereotype. 714 00:36:01,289 --> 00:36:03,329 That's when I started to think about representation. 715 00:36:05,074 --> 00:36:07,903 And I guess, you know, the white saviorism. 716 00:36:09,253 --> 00:36:10,974 Probably the protagonist would be Black now. 717 00:36:13,909 --> 00:36:16,695 I felt that Bill was the right actor, though. 718 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,266 He was very sensitive to his role, 719 00:36:21,309 --> 00:36:23,398 you know, and other people. 720 00:36:25,182 --> 00:36:28,273 I think for young Black actresses now, 721 00:36:30,449 --> 00:36:33,800 there's a record of somebody who worked there in 1988, 722 00:36:33,842 --> 00:36:36,541 and did the female lead. 723 00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:38,282 I'm proud of that legacy. 724 00:36:59,869 --> 00:37:01,393 I think that Wade, you know, 725 00:37:01,436 --> 00:37:03,221 he has very mixed emotions about it, 726 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:05,527 because on the one hand, you know, 727 00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:08,007 he felt that maybe we had, to a degree, 728 00:37:08,050 --> 00:37:10,358 bastardized this serious piece of work. 729 00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:14,318 - But on the other hand, 730 00:37:14,362 --> 00:37:17,235 it made Wade Davis, Wade Davis. 731 00:37:18,844 --> 00:37:21,413 I literally went from being kind of the darling 732 00:37:21,456 --> 00:37:23,632 of the Haitian community, 733 00:37:23,675 --> 00:37:25,677 to being a so-called controversial figure. 734 00:37:27,722 --> 00:37:29,943 So it was a very bittersweet 735 00:37:29,985 --> 00:37:32,250 convergence of forces that occurred. 736 00:37:34,164 --> 00:37:36,340 That said, I totally honored the people 737 00:37:36,384 --> 00:37:38,255 that worked so hard to make it. 738 00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:41,835 And I left it all behind me, without bitterness 739 00:37:41,867 --> 00:37:44,914 or contempt, and only joy. 740 00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,307 But then I just went on with a new phase of my life, 741 00:37:47,351 --> 00:37:49,222 and became an activist 742 00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:51,791 working on behalf of the last nomadic people 743 00:37:51,833 --> 00:37:53,487 of the rainforest of Southeast Asia. 744 00:37:55,097 --> 00:37:56,657 And I have not been back to Haiti since. 745 00:38:50,065 --> 00:38:51,503 All in all, when I look back on it, 746 00:38:53,112 --> 00:38:55,157 I believe there was a curse. 747 00:38:55,202 --> 00:38:57,204 I believe there are curses. 748 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,559 I believe we were actually blessed and protected. 749 00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:05,038 What may have happened had we not gotten that blessing, 750 00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:06,909 you know, God only knows. 751 00:39:08,606 --> 00:39:10,695 But there was a certain confidence that was given 752 00:39:10,739 --> 00:39:12,914 to us all that night. 753 00:39:12,958 --> 00:39:16,309 I basically learned my craft through all of these people 754 00:39:16,353 --> 00:39:19,007 that I was now on an island with. 755 00:39:19,052 --> 00:39:21,358 Every experience just got soaked in, 756 00:39:21,402 --> 00:39:24,099 and filed, and became like, the foundation. 757 00:39:25,492 --> 00:39:27,452 - David LeRoy Anderson, for "The Nutty Professor." 758 00:39:29,583 --> 00:39:31,237 - And what I was able to achieve there 759 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,934 with this film crew, 760 00:39:32,978 --> 00:39:34,675 and with this film community, 761 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,331 was enough to make my Dad proud, 762 00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:39,333 and make me feel successful, 763 00:39:39,376 --> 00:39:41,596 and make me come home excited about what I had done. 764 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:45,164 But very, very aware of the fact 765 00:39:45,208 --> 00:39:48,036 that I didn't do any of it alone. 59120

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