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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 2 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:07,659 Of our eye movements during a film sequence. 3 00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:09,595 It used to be representative scoring, 4 00:32:09,628 --> 00:32:11,397 Where everything you see, you hear. 5 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:15,067 Walk up the steps. [makes rising sound effect] 6 00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:17,369 Romantic kiss. 7 00:32:17,403 --> 00:32:19,605 The eye's doing the same thing the ear's doing. 8 00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:22,141 There's so many decisions to make in movies. 9 00:32:22,174 --> 00:32:25,744 Hollywood was going through an odd transition in the '60s, 10 00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:29,081 Especially the mid-'60s to the early '70s. 11 00:32:29,115 --> 00:32:30,616 One of the things that got thrown out was the idea 12 00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:33,019 Of the old-fashioned orchestral score. 13 00:32:33,052 --> 00:32:36,088 * in restless dreams I walked alone * 14 00:32:36,122 --> 00:32:38,090 Now there was a movement toward source music. 15 00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:40,259 * narrow streets of cobblestone * 16 00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:41,560 Folk music... 17 00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:46,298 ["Bonnie and clyde" theme music plays] 18 00:32:46,332 --> 00:32:49,201 Intimate types of musical groupings... 19 00:32:49,235 --> 00:32:52,738 * take a load off, annie * 20 00:32:52,771 --> 00:32:54,506 * take a load for free 21 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:56,208 It was just different. The '60s were a lot 22 00:32:56,242 --> 00:32:59,511 Of composers who really knew what they were doing, 23 00:32:59,545 --> 00:33:01,713 Who didn't want to do it the old way. 24 00:33:01,747 --> 00:33:06,585 ["Planet of the apes" theme music plays] 25 00:33:06,618 --> 00:33:11,623 [kraft] jerry goldsmith was absolutely the most innovative composer 26 00:33:11,657 --> 00:33:15,061 To work on mainstream movies on a regular basis. 27 00:33:15,094 --> 00:33:17,229 What's amazing about "Planet of the apes" 28 00:33:17,263 --> 00:33:20,566 Is he's using all these modern techniques. 29 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:24,203 He reapplied it and put it into drama. 30 00:33:24,236 --> 00:33:28,440 [theme music continues] 31 00:33:28,474 --> 00:33:33,079 Metal mixing bowls and rubber balls being bounced into a bowl. 32 00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:35,781 [theme music continues] 33 00:33:42,321 --> 00:33:45,191 [bates] just kind of screwing with the orchestra the way he did 34 00:33:45,224 --> 00:33:47,826 And just being so ballsy in his choices 35 00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:50,629 And it being so on point for that movie. 36 00:33:50,662 --> 00:33:52,531 It'll always be one of the all-time great 37 00:33:52,564 --> 00:33:53,832 Science fiction scores. 38 00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:58,337 ["Chinatown" theme music plays] 39 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:01,673 [jon burlingame] "Chinatown" was written in 10 days after 40 00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:05,077 An earlier score had been written, recorded, and thrown out. 41 00:34:05,111 --> 00:34:07,113 And it's very interesting that jerry comes in 42 00:34:07,146 --> 00:34:09,081 And he looks at the film, 43 00:34:09,115 --> 00:34:15,121 And he immediately decides he needs four harps, four pianos, 44 00:34:15,154 --> 00:34:17,689 Strings, percussion, and a solo trumpet. 45 00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:20,526 [theme music continues] 46 00:34:29,368 --> 00:34:31,870 [ringer ross] why four pianos? 47 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:37,543 I mean, jerry was just sort of the godfather of all this, wasn't he? 48 00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:41,547 It's such an interesting musical choice, but that's jerry. 49 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:44,550 You ask musicians, they might think he is the best ever. 50 00:34:45,551 --> 00:34:49,788 ["The reivers" theme music] 51 00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:54,626 [steven spielberg] when I heard "The reivers," I said, "My god, this guy 52 00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:57,696 -must be 80 years old." I really thought-- -[williams] nearly! 53 00:34:57,729 --> 00:34:59,631 I thought maybe here's some guy who's 80 years old 54 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:02,334 Who maybe wrote his greatest scores of his life. 55 00:35:02,368 --> 00:35:04,203 And I wanted to find out who this guy was, 56 00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:06,572 And I met this young man named john williams and I was amazed. 57 00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:09,375 [kraft] john williams did not start as a classical composer, 58 00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:11,410 He started as a jazz pianist. 59 00:35:11,443 --> 00:35:13,379 [david newman] john williams played piano on "West side story." 60 00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:17,816 ["West side story" theme music plays] 61 00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:20,186 And he played piano on "The apartment." 62 00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:23,389 ["The apartment" theme music plays] 63 00:35:23,422 --> 00:35:25,357 [david newman] born and bred in the fox system, 64 00:35:25,391 --> 00:35:27,593 Him and jerry goldsmith, that's where they learned. 65 00:35:27,626 --> 00:35:31,163 Nobody knew that the whole field would change. 66 00:35:31,197 --> 00:35:34,466 ["Jaws" theme music plays] 67 00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:43,275 [lemone] when we saw "Jaws," 68 00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:46,212 If it didn't have that "Ba-domp ba-domp", 69 00:35:46,245 --> 00:35:47,813 None of us would have known what was happening. 70 00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:51,883 * da-dun. Da-dun, da-dun da-dun, da-dun * 71 00:35:51,917 --> 00:35:54,920 [theme music continues] 72 00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,857 It was pretty brilliant. 73 00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:03,262 And it was almost like a crazy experiment. 74 00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:08,700 He was an engine, "Ba-dum, ba-dum," accelerating. 75 00:36:08,734 --> 00:36:10,802 Ba-dum. Ba-dum. Ba-dum. 76 00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:14,773 Like a train moving forward, this is an eating machine. 77 00:36:14,806 --> 00:36:19,278 He is as simple as "I move forward to kill." 78 00:36:19,311 --> 00:36:21,780 [theme music continues] 79 00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:24,816 That shark didn't need more. He needed two notes. 80 00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:26,485 The first day with steven, he said, 81 00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:27,719 "What are you going to play for jaws?" I went-- 82 00:36:27,753 --> 00:36:32,391 [plays "Jaws" theme] 83 00:36:32,424 --> 00:36:33,392 He said, "You're kidding." 84 00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:34,860 [laughter] 85 00:36:34,893 --> 00:36:36,828 I said, "You're crazy, this is a serious movie!" 86 00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:39,531 I thought he was going to say, "No, I'm only kidding." 87 00:36:39,565 --> 00:36:42,768 And he was about to play this very poetic pastoral symphony. 88 00:36:42,801 --> 00:36:46,338 And john said, "No, no, you've made a very primal movie." 89 00:36:46,372 --> 00:36:50,942 [theme music continues] 90 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:54,012 [spielberg] part of the genius of john williams 91 00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,914 Is how he spots music 92 00:36:55,947 --> 00:36:58,717 And how he places music in a movie. 93 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:02,454 John did not want music to celebrate a red herring. 94 00:37:02,488 --> 00:37:05,891 He only wanted music to signal the actual arrival of the shark. 95 00:37:05,924 --> 00:37:08,360 Everybody goes, "Oh, 'jaws,' it's just these two notes." 96 00:37:08,394 --> 00:37:13,832 It's not. There's this amazing orchestral symphonic piece 97 00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:17,703 That takes place and it's just being triggered by these two notes. 98 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,807 Just artistic imagination is phenomenal. 99 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,008 We are not worthy. 100 00:37:23,041 --> 00:37:25,677 I said, "Oh my god. It's a rebirth. 101 00:37:25,711 --> 00:37:26,845 Film music is back, it's alive!" 102 00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:30,316 ["Star wars" theme music plays] 103 00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:48,334 [leo erdody] "Star wars" made such an incredible splash when it came out. 104 00:37:48,367 --> 00:37:51,637 Everything about it was so exciting and thrilling 105 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:54,573 For an 11-year-old growing up at that time. 106 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:55,741 Here they come. 107 00:37:55,774 --> 00:37:57,776 ["Star wars" theme music plays] 108 00:37:57,809 --> 00:38:00,679 [townson] and spoke to a whole generation of people. 109 00:38:00,712 --> 00:38:03,081 [holkenborg] I was, I think 12 when that thing came out. 110 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:07,453 So it had a massive impact on my youth. 111 00:38:07,486 --> 00:38:09,655 [theme music continues] 112 00:38:09,688 --> 00:38:12,658 We had the theme from "Star wars" locked in our head as a kid, 113 00:38:12,691 --> 00:38:15,327 As soon as we walked out of that theatre. 114 00:38:15,361 --> 00:38:17,463 [theme music continues] 115 00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:25,036 [holkenborg] musically, yes, it is a symphonic score. 116 00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:28,374 But I mean, it's one of the greatest scores probably ever written. 117 00:38:28,407 --> 00:38:31,577 It's impossible to think of "Star wars" without williams' music. 118 00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:34,613 ["Star wars" "Luke's theme" music plays] 119 00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:42,421 [maltin] the score he did helped the audience 120 00:38:42,454 --> 00:38:46,658 Rediscover the classical orchestral film score. 121 00:38:46,692 --> 00:38:50,596 ["Star wars" theme music] 122 00:38:52,598 --> 00:38:55,033 Spielberg and lucas can lay claim to many things, 123 00:38:55,066 --> 00:38:58,069 And one of them is helping to reintroduce audiences 124 00:38:58,103 --> 00:39:00,372 To that kind of moviegoing experience. 125 00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:04,476 Star wars turned this shit upside down. 126 00:39:06,778 --> 00:39:08,414 [zimmer] it was john williams that made me, 127 00:39:08,447 --> 00:39:10,582 First of all, realize that film music could be 128 00:39:10,616 --> 00:39:14,986 Of a quality and distinction that is as great 129 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:18,123 As any of the classical composers I grew up with. 130 00:39:18,156 --> 00:39:20,959 There's the traditional idea of good and bad, 131 00:39:20,992 --> 00:39:23,995 And how they were exemplified in music. 132 00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:26,665 I like to always go to "Star wars," 133 00:39:26,698 --> 00:39:31,570 Because there's those beautiful themes, john's main theme, 134 00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:33,805 And then there is the love theme. 135 00:00:02,536 --> 00:00:05,539 [birds chirping] 136 00:00:16,217 --> 00:00:19,220 [quiet piano music] 137 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:48,149 [marco beltrami] the piano we built for this movie "The homesman," 138 00:00:48,182 --> 00:00:51,152 The problem with this is that it's out in the elements, 139 00:00:51,185 --> 00:00:55,089 And it disintegrates. 140 00:00:55,123 --> 00:00:58,492 But I think it's a noble death for a piano. 141 00:01:00,161 --> 00:01:02,363 The wind is a big feature in the movie 142 00:01:02,396 --> 00:01:07,101 And we thought that it'd be great to be able to tune the wind. 143 00:01:07,135 --> 00:01:10,138 [quiet piano music] 144 00:01:15,343 --> 00:01:17,578 It sounds really amazing. 145 00:01:17,611 --> 00:01:20,614 [music continues] 146 00:01:23,551 --> 00:01:26,354 This is part of the fun of experimenting. 147 00:01:26,387 --> 00:01:29,190 You know, you figure this stuff out. 148 00:01:29,223 --> 00:01:32,226 [music continues] 149 00:01:37,265 --> 00:01:39,467 One interesting thing that happens 150 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:42,603 Is the sound travels through the wire 151 00:01:42,636 --> 00:01:44,338 Faster than it travels through the air, 152 00:01:44,372 --> 00:01:46,707 So you get this reverse echo, which is really cool. 153 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:50,511 You don't even have to put any effect on the sound at all. 154 00:01:52,613 --> 00:01:55,649 I mean, you can hear it all the way down in the valley. 155 00:01:55,683 --> 00:01:58,352 It's more than just the concept of doing something cool 156 00:01:58,386 --> 00:02:01,622 That nobody's done before. It's more fun. 157 00:02:01,655 --> 00:02:04,892 Samurai's death here, on the hill. 158 00:02:06,694 --> 00:02:09,697 ["Rocky" theme begins] 159 00:02:14,835 --> 00:02:16,704 [christopher lennertz] when you hear "Rocky"... 160 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:24,312 Everybody in the audience knows what's going on. 161 00:02:24,345 --> 00:02:27,481 The composer is a storyteller. 162 00:02:27,515 --> 00:02:31,319 Music has the ability to shape and in some cases alter 163 00:02:31,352 --> 00:02:34,322 Or even subvert what the filmmaker is communicating. 164 00:02:38,459 --> 00:02:40,728 The score is the heart and the soul of the film. 165 00:02:40,761 --> 00:02:44,198 Film music can make an exciting scene more exciting. 166 00:02:44,232 --> 00:02:45,833 We call it "Emotion lotion," 167 00:02:45,866 --> 00:02:48,736 Because we can make you feel anything we want you to feel. 168 00:02:48,769 --> 00:02:51,639 It's being able to communicate on a level 169 00:02:51,672 --> 00:02:54,775 That they can't tell in pictures. 170 00:02:54,808 --> 00:02:56,344 Great film music can elevate. 171 00:02:56,377 --> 00:02:57,611 ["Rocky" theme climax] 172 00:02:57,645 --> 00:03:02,450 * getting strong now 173 00:03:02,483 --> 00:03:07,421 * moving on now 174 00:03:07,455 --> 00:03:11,825 * getting strong now 175 00:03:17,631 --> 00:03:19,433 [jon burlingame] music has always been 176 00:03:19,467 --> 00:03:21,302 A part of the cinema-going experience, 177 00:03:21,335 --> 00:03:24,372 As far back as 1895 when the lumi��re brothers 178 00:03:24,405 --> 00:03:26,240 Were experimenting in paris. 179 00:03:26,274 --> 00:03:28,776 In the earliest days, it is true, 180 00:03:28,809 --> 00:03:30,611 Music was thought of as something 181 00:03:30,644 --> 00:03:32,012 To cover up the noise of the projector. 182 00:03:32,045 --> 00:03:34,982 [organ music plays] 183 00:03:35,015 --> 00:03:37,551 [leonard maltin] silent films were never silent. 184 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:44,258 There was at least a pianist in the smallest nickelodeons, 185 00:03:44,292 --> 00:03:48,362 And sometimes the bridge between them was a theatre organ. 186 00:03:48,396 --> 00:03:51,565 [music continues] 187 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,734 [bill field] there were many theatre organ makers, 188 00:03:53,767 --> 00:03:56,404 But the one that produced the most organs, 189 00:03:56,437 --> 00:03:59,507 And is thought to be probably the best 190 00:03:59,540 --> 00:04:01,575 Is the name wurlitzer. 191 00:04:04,712 --> 00:04:07,615 They showed how a person could bring to life 192 00:04:07,648 --> 00:04:09,983 The movies that were otherwise quiet. 193 00:04:10,017 --> 00:04:13,020 [music continues] 194 00:04:18,692 --> 00:04:22,262 They either did a score that was printed for them, 195 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:28,569 Or they improvised and created their own. 196 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:35,008 They were made part of the moviegoing experience. 197 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:41,549 [maltin] a number of people had toyed 198 00:04:41,582 --> 00:04:43,851 With the idea of scores in hollywood. 199 00:04:43,884 --> 00:04:47,054 [burlingame] max steiner's score for "King kong" in 1933 200 00:04:47,087 --> 00:04:48,789 Was a landmark. 201 00:04:48,822 --> 00:04:50,090 [christopher young] when "King kong" came out, 202 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:53,927 "Wait a second. Orchestra music in a movie?" 203 00:04:53,961 --> 00:04:56,964 ["King kong" music plays] 204 00:05:01,001 --> 00:05:03,103 [david newman] the only reason he was able to do it 205 00:05:03,136 --> 00:05:04,838 Is because the movie wasn't scary. 206 00:05:04,872 --> 00:05:06,674 It looked kitschy and stupid, 207 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:09,042 Because it was so-- it was kitschy and stupid. 208 00:05:09,076 --> 00:05:10,644 But then he put that music in. 209 00:05:10,678 --> 00:05:13,681 [music continues] 210 00:05:15,816 --> 00:05:19,019 It completely changed the movie. It made it frightening. 211 00:05:19,052 --> 00:05:22,055 [music continues] 212 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:31,732 [burlingame] people had not done that before. 213 00:05:31,765 --> 00:05:34,101 It was really the first major score 214 00:05:34,134 --> 00:05:38,472 That demonstrated conclusively the power of music in film. 215 00:05:38,506 --> 00:05:40,708 Alfred newman came from new haven, connecticut, 216 00:05:40,741 --> 00:05:43,677 An iconic figure in the history of film music. 217 00:05:43,711 --> 00:05:46,714 [theme from "Captain from castille" plays] 218 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:52,753 A sound that favors horns and woodwinds. 219 00:05:52,786 --> 00:05:55,589 [music continues] 220 00:05:55,623 --> 00:05:57,157 [david newman] my father was alfred newman. 221 00:05:57,190 --> 00:05:59,627 In 1930, he came to l.A. 222 00:05:59,660 --> 00:06:03,096 [20th century fox logo music plays] 223 00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:04,898 He was at 20th century fox for 20 years. 224 00:06:04,932 --> 00:06:10,170 The fox logo-- arguably the most famous logo ever written-- 225 00:06:10,203 --> 00:06:13,841 It wasn't written for fox, it was written for goldwyn and it was rejected. 226 00:06:13,874 --> 00:06:17,010 And then he used it for fox and darryl zanuck loved it. 227 00:06:17,044 --> 00:06:21,415 There was nothing like that orchestra. I'm talking about rubato. 228 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,442 ["Star wars" "Love theme" music plays] 229 00:39:39,945 --> 00:39:41,747 But then there's the darth vader theme. 230 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:44,783 [star wars "Imperial march" music] 231 00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:54,159 * dun, dun, dun, dun da dun * 232 00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:57,729 It's just so martial and so broad 233 00:39:57,763 --> 00:39:59,698 That you go, "Oh boy, there's something not good here." 234 00:39:59,731 --> 00:40:02,734 ["Imperial march" theme continues] 235 00:40:09,775 --> 00:40:12,110 The right score for the right movie at the right time. 236 00:40:14,846 --> 00:40:19,217 That '70s era, that is absolutely the era of john williams. 237 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:23,221 ["Superman" theme music plays] 238 00:40:23,254 --> 00:40:27,559 Without his music, superman's powers are greatly diminished. 239 00:40:27,593 --> 00:40:29,060 [laughter] 240 00:40:29,094 --> 00:40:32,998 Believe me, if you try to fly without that theme, 241 00:40:33,031 --> 00:40:36,802 You go nowhere. One step, two steps and down. 242 00:40:36,835 --> 00:40:40,572 [theme music continues] 243 00:40:40,606 --> 00:40:42,173 [brian tyler] everyone knows the superman theme, 244 00:40:42,207 --> 00:40:45,477 But the krypton theme that comes right before it... 245 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:52,684 That overture, it's mysterious, it's almost like avant-garde. 246 00:40:52,718 --> 00:40:54,920 ["Superman" "Krypton theme" music] 247 00:41:00,759 --> 00:41:05,997 That sets up this really tuneful double-chorus melody. 248 00:41:06,031 --> 00:41:10,135 Almost makes it, to me, 10 times more the piece. 249 00:41:10,168 --> 00:41:13,972 So it's his way of surrounding pieces with other pieces. 250 00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:16,575 ["Superman" theme music plays] 251 00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:23,615 Most of the world, if you were to play the music 252 00:41:23,649 --> 00:41:26,585 From "Jaws," or "Star wars," or "Raiders of the lost ark," 253 00:41:26,618 --> 00:41:29,555 Most folks would know exactly what that was. 254 00:41:29,588 --> 00:41:30,922 [brian tyler] "Raiders of the lost ark." 255 00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:34,726 If you hear the melody without the rhythm, 256 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,097 You can recognize it. [sings melody] 257 00:41:39,130 --> 00:41:42,634 But if you just to the rhythm, [sings rhythm] 258 00:41:42,668 --> 00:41:44,770 With no melody you recognize it either way. 259 00:41:44,803 --> 00:41:48,073 ["Indiana jones" theme music plays] 260 00:41:54,980 --> 00:41:57,983 Very simple little sequence of notes. 261 00:41:58,016 --> 00:42:04,155 But I spend more time on those little bits of musical grammar 262 00:42:04,189 --> 00:42:06,692 To get them just right so that they seem inevitable. 263 00:42:10,095 --> 00:42:13,699 [tyler] there's a hooky, tuneful, well-orchestrated theme, 264 00:42:13,732 --> 00:42:16,902 But I think that's only half of it. 265 00:42:16,935 --> 00:42:21,306 There's always the bravura part of the john williams composition. 266 00:42:21,339 --> 00:42:27,112 The first 8, 16, 32 bars. The great "Raiders of the lost ark" theme. 267 00:42:27,145 --> 00:42:29,047 And then comes the b part. 268 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,249 ["Indiana jones" theme music] 269 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,256 It's less well known, but it's so beautifully crafted. 270 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,663 I always think that's the part he writes for himself. 271 00:06:21,449 --> 00:06:26,019 It means "Slowing down and speeding up in an expressive way." 272 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:28,756 You would never read a line of text like, 273 00:06:28,789 --> 00:06:32,125 [robotically] "I went to the market today." 274 00:06:32,159 --> 00:06:34,462 "I went to the market today." 275 00:06:34,495 --> 00:06:38,499 You'd have a-- you'd have a structure of a phrase. 276 00:06:38,532 --> 00:06:41,602 That is so uber important in music. 277 00:06:41,635 --> 00:06:44,738 They became expert at making that musical. 278 00:06:44,772 --> 00:06:48,642 That helped define what we know as the classic hollywood sound. 279 00:06:52,913 --> 00:06:54,582 [john debney] a spotting session is the first time 280 00:06:54,615 --> 00:06:56,984 We all get together, look at the movie, 281 00:06:57,017 --> 00:06:58,652 And decide where the music's gonna go, 282 00:06:58,686 --> 00:07:00,988 And what type of music it's going to be. 283 00:07:01,021 --> 00:07:03,657 All movies, the first 20 minutes 284 00:07:03,691 --> 00:07:06,193 Are too slow because we're laying pipe. 285 00:07:06,226 --> 00:07:10,498 So we want the music to be something but not crazy. 286 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:13,133 The goal of a spotting session is to have a dialogue 287 00:07:13,166 --> 00:07:17,170 With the composer that you've probably been postponing. 288 00:07:17,204 --> 00:07:19,807 I've done my work, I've done my design, 289 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,610 I've cast the movie, I've shot it. 290 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:24,211 We've done all our beautiful photography, 291 00:07:24,244 --> 00:07:27,147 We've done all our super-brilliant editing. 292 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,917 Now it's going through and trying to communicate 293 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:32,553 What I've heard in my mind. 294 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,895 [narrator on film] ah, mothers. 295 00:07:41,929 --> 00:07:43,831 Mothers are our rocks. 296 00:07:43,864 --> 00:07:46,166 So it says "Open road pictures," 297 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:50,804 Then we're going to cut to possibly not the front door 298 00:07:50,838 --> 00:07:52,640 But a shot before the front door 299 00:07:52,673 --> 00:07:55,509 -that establishes the house. -[debney] got it. 300 00:07:55,543 --> 00:07:57,511 [trevor rabin] spotting, to me, is really important 301 00:07:57,545 --> 00:08:00,280 Because it gives me an idea of what the director's looking at 302 00:08:00,313 --> 00:08:02,683 And what he's looking for. 303 00:08:02,716 --> 00:08:05,218 -something that's peppy right away... -[debney] peppy, yep. 304 00:08:05,252 --> 00:08:06,987 And then we come here and we slow down. 305 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:08,188 Kind of settle on that. 306 00:08:08,221 --> 00:08:09,823 You're collaborating with people. 307 00:08:09,857 --> 00:08:12,693 I want them to feel like a filmmaker like them 308 00:08:12,726 --> 00:08:14,227 Has come into the process. 309 00:08:14,261 --> 00:08:15,929 I'm the one that specializes in 310 00:08:15,963 --> 00:08:17,665 This one thing that they're uncomfortable with. 311 00:08:17,698 --> 00:08:20,000 You're trying to come up with music 312 00:08:20,033 --> 00:08:24,204 That supports the scene and complements it in an unobtrusive way. 313 00:08:24,237 --> 00:08:26,774 You spend as much time as you can 314 00:08:26,807 --> 00:08:29,176 Immersing yourself in the backstory. 315 00:08:29,209 --> 00:08:30,678 As a film composer, 316 00:42:44,696 --> 00:42:48,233 I think he's as brilliant as people feel he is. 317 00:42:48,266 --> 00:42:52,938 And as popular as his music is, he's even better than that. 318 00:42:52,971 --> 00:42:56,908 ["E.T." theme on piano] 319 00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:08,787 If it would be convenient to go into the call. 320 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:10,221 [piano playing] 321 00:43:10,255 --> 00:43:13,324 [sings theme] yeah. 322 00:43:16,862 --> 00:43:18,163 I like that. As a matter of fact, 323 00:43:18,196 --> 00:43:19,865 It seems like a very natural transition. 324 00:43:23,134 --> 00:43:24,836 -[williams] up or down? -[spielberg] 325 00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:31,810 Maybe once down. 326 00:43:31,843 --> 00:43:33,645 It could go down once and then go up. 327 00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,881 [deborah lurie] what a score needs to do has changed, 328 00:43:35,914 --> 00:43:38,183 Because of how filmmaking has changed. 329 00:43:38,216 --> 00:43:40,686 Let's take john williams, let's take the end of "E.T." 330 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,722 ["E.T." "Bicycle theme" music plays] 331 00:43:44,756 --> 00:43:46,057 Where are we going? 332 00:43:46,091 --> 00:43:47,759 To the forest! 333 00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:51,129 [lurie] it is just a wide open space for music. 334 00:43:51,162 --> 00:43:52,731 Follow me! 335 00:43:57,402 --> 00:44:00,371 When was the last time that somebody left a space 336 00:44:00,405 --> 00:44:03,809 That open and said, "I want this to be a music moment 337 00:44:03,842 --> 00:44:06,344 Where you just bring that tune home." 338 00:44:06,377 --> 00:44:09,380 [theme music continues] 339 00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:27,365 I'll be right here. 340 00:44:27,398 --> 00:44:30,401 [theme music continues] 341 00:44:36,875 --> 00:44:38,009 Bye. 342 00:44:38,043 --> 00:44:41,312 We have this vast, expansive music 343 00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:43,214 With the taking off of the spaceship. 344 00:44:43,248 --> 00:44:46,251 [theme music continues] 345 00:45:03,101 --> 00:45:05,871 John williams, steven spielberg decide 346 00:45:05,904 --> 00:45:08,740 That we're gonna go from big music to [whoosh], 347 00:45:08,774 --> 00:45:13,044 Reminding us who is going into that spaceship. 348 00:45:15,146 --> 00:45:19,851 We could look at what is happening in the story as being very sad, 349 00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:21,719 These are farewells. 350 00:45:27,893 --> 00:45:31,763 And at the very end we hear this coda, 351 00:45:31,797 --> 00:45:35,233 This fanfare that's very triumphant. 352 00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:39,170 ["E.T. End fanfare" plays] 353 00:45:50,381 --> 00:45:55,286 That is saying that we're looking at this from elliot's viewpoint. 354 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,489 That it's not a loss, but it's almost like saying, 355 00:45:58,523 --> 00:46:02,427 "Mission accomplished. We got e.T. Home." 356 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:05,296 ["E.T." music ends] 357 00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:11,069 [david ewart] in the orchestra, one of the things we love 358 00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:12,503 Is the 10-minute break. 359 00:46:12,537 --> 00:46:16,307 But on tens, when you have been inspired by the music, 360 00:46:16,341 --> 00:46:17,976 There's an electricity. 361 00:46:18,009 --> 00:46:20,011 ["Jurassic park" theme plays] 362 00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:28,019 On "Jurassic park," 363 00:46:28,053 --> 00:46:30,989 You could tell by the look in your colleague's eyes 364 00:08:30,711 --> 00:08:32,245 You're part of the storytelling team. 365 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:34,181 [man] do you want to spin forward to the next cue, garry? 366 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:35,816 -[marshall] yeah. -[debney] 367 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,618 Ends when she comes around the corner, right? 368 00:08:37,651 --> 00:08:41,689 I try to get a sense of what their insecurities are. 369 00:08:41,722 --> 00:08:42,790 The more time you spend with them, 370 00:08:42,823 --> 00:08:44,224 The more you get those answers. 371 00:08:44,257 --> 00:08:46,259 Most directors don't know how to convert emotions 372 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:50,063 Into musical-- into music. 373 00:08:50,097 --> 00:08:54,234 So the composer has to kind of act almost like a therapist 374 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:56,103 And go through all this mishmash 375 00:08:56,136 --> 00:08:58,071 Of what the director's saying and get the essence of it. 376 00:08:58,105 --> 00:09:01,909 What if we kind of tail right into that? 377 00:09:01,942 --> 00:09:03,276 -[woman] yeah, right, you don't need to go-- -right? 378 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:05,245 -[man] don't score him? -maybe don't score-- 379 00:09:05,278 --> 00:09:07,681 Just put a nice little transition, garry, 380 00:09:07,715 --> 00:09:09,883 That kind of just spills over. 381 00:09:09,917 --> 00:09:11,151 -and then he comes up. -[marshall] yeah. 382 00:09:11,184 --> 00:09:13,320 Something like that maybe? Yeah. 383 00:09:13,353 --> 00:09:15,923 We got the-- we got the gist of it. 384 00:09:15,956 --> 00:09:18,659 [hans zimmer] sort of in that first conversation with the director 385 00:09:18,692 --> 00:09:20,260 I have glimpses of what it could be. 386 00:09:20,293 --> 00:09:22,696 Every project starts roughly the same way. 387 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:25,999 Somebody comes into the room and says, "I've got this idea. 388 00:09:26,033 --> 00:09:29,603 It'll be fun to do. It'll be a fun adventure," etc. 389 00:09:29,637 --> 00:09:32,706 And they tell you the idea and you get drawn in and you get excited. 390 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:35,242 And you're flattered that they're even considering you. 391 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:37,811 "Whoa, me," you know. "I get to go on this ride." 392 00:09:37,845 --> 00:09:41,849 And then they leave the room and then you have a moment of reflection. 393 00:09:41,882 --> 00:09:44,718 You go, "I have no idea how to do this. 394 00:09:44,752 --> 00:09:46,019 Oh, my god." 395 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:47,320 And then after a while you think 396 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:49,122 Should you be phoning them and saying, 397 00:09:49,156 --> 00:09:52,025 You know, "Hey, I think you better phone john williams. 398 00:09:52,059 --> 00:09:53,627 I have no idea how to do this." 399 00:09:53,661 --> 00:09:56,096 You know, the blank page is always the blank page. 400 00:09:56,129 --> 00:09:58,866 Plus, I have no idea where music comes from. 401 00:09:58,899 --> 00:10:02,670 So there's always the fear that somebody's going to switch off the tap. 402 00:10:02,703 --> 00:10:05,405 [piano playing] 403 00:10:05,438 --> 00:10:07,240 [rachel portman] this is a film called "Race." 404 00:10:07,274 --> 00:10:10,711 I've been working on it for a week, so I'm just beginning. 405 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:12,345 I'm just sort of getting into my process with it. 406 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:16,750 Where I'm thinking it should start is-- is just coming up. 407 00:10:16,784 --> 00:10:20,120 And I'm going to start with it coming in really, really quietly. 408 00:10:20,153 --> 00:10:22,355 [man in film #1] no. 409 00:10:22,389 --> 00:10:24,825 -[man in film #2] well, why not? -[quiet piano music] 410 00:10:24,858 --> 00:10:27,961 [man #1] you want to win a gold medal? 411 00:10:27,995 --> 00:10:30,397 -[man #2] sure. -[man #1] 412 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,766 [quiet piano music] 413 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,668 Well, I mean, unless you were planning on waiting-- 414 00:10:34,702 --> 00:10:38,772 [portman] there's a change of direction in the scene. 415 00:10:38,806 --> 00:10:41,875 And that's often a prompt for where music will come in. 416 00:10:44,011 --> 00:10:45,012 [man #1] well, they don't care for 'em much 417 00:10:45,045 --> 00:10:47,848 Here in columbus, either. 418 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:50,217 Is that gonna be problem? 419 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:53,220 [man #2] no sir. 420 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:54,988 I just came here to run. 421 00:10:55,022 --> 00:10:57,224 [man #1] well then, for the next 28 months, 422 00:10:57,257 --> 00:10:59,459 You're either in a classroom, or you're on that track, 423 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:01,995 Every hour, every day. 424 00:11:02,029 --> 00:11:03,797 [orchestra music swells] 425 00:11:03,831 --> 00:11:05,165 [christophe beck] as a composer, 426 00:11:05,198 --> 00:11:06,800 When you're sitting there watching a film, 427 00:11:06,834 --> 00:11:08,869 It's not like watching a play or real life. 428 00:11:08,902 --> 00:11:11,204 There's camera positions, there's cuts. 429 00:11:11,238 --> 00:11:15,442 It's an incredibly artificial medium in a way, 430 00:11:15,475 --> 00:11:17,878 And it's really nothing like real life. 431 00:11:17,911 --> 00:11:21,148 We have to find clever ways to introduce something familiar. 432 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:23,984 ["Close encounters of the third kind" motif plays] 433 00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:26,153 [debney] a motif is a group of notes 434 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,455 That might highlight what a film score is. 435 00:11:28,488 --> 00:11:30,924 A good example would be "Close encounters." 436 00:11:30,958 --> 00:11:34,127 [ship plays motif] 437 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:35,996 [sings motif] * dun, dun, dun, dun, dun 438 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:40,033 ["Close encounters" music plays] 439 00:11:40,067 --> 00:11:42,502 Beethoven was one the first composers 440 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:47,207 To really take a theme or motif and spin it out in a huge way. 441 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,276 [beethoven's "Fifth symphony" plays] 442 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:51,011 Beethoven's "Fifth symphony," 443 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:52,846 [motif continues] 444 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,282 The entire piece is based on that ya-ta-ta-ta rhythm. 445 00:11:55,315 --> 00:11:58,118 Simple hooks, just like a pop song. 446 00:11:58,151 --> 00:12:00,788 But you're then casting them in different lights. 447 00:12:00,821 --> 00:12:05,425 ["Lord of the rings" shire theme plays] 448 00:12:05,458 --> 00:12:07,294 [howard shore] by using motifs, 449 00:12:07,327 --> 00:12:11,498 It helps you to understand the relationships in the story. 450 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:13,901 -[shire theme continues] -dear bilbo. 451 00:12:15,803 --> 00:12:19,372 [shore] when you hear a certain motif, you connect it. 452 00:12:20,507 --> 00:12:23,010 [shire theme continues] 453 00:12:28,849 --> 00:12:31,418 And it actually helped you follow the story. 454 00:12:31,451 --> 00:12:36,123 -["Lord of the rings" fellowship theme] -nine companions. 455 00:12:45,365 --> 00:12:47,400 [beck] by the time you get to the end of the film, 456 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:51,104 When you play that music in its full glory, 457 00:12:51,138 --> 00:12:53,306 It's already familiar to the audience. 458 00:12:53,340 --> 00:12:57,144 [fellowship theme continues] 459 00:12:57,177 --> 00:12:59,246 We're kind of building things up to that main course. 460 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:02,349 [music continues] 461 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:07,888 [beltrami] the director is not a huge fan 462 00:13:07,921 --> 00:13:10,323 Of strictly orchestral elements, 463 00:13:10,357 --> 00:13:11,992 So we're exploring. 464 00:13:12,025 --> 00:13:13,526 In here, this is buck. 465 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,496 He's working on a movie now called "The gunman" 466 00:13:16,529 --> 00:13:19,032 That we're working on together. 467 00:13:19,066 --> 00:13:22,302 We're a little bit under the gun, 468 00:13:22,335 --> 00:13:23,837 And that's nerve-racking. 469 00:13:23,871 --> 00:13:25,105 One of the things we were working at was 470 00:13:25,138 --> 00:13:27,407 Processing these kalimbas. 471 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,577 [plays kalimba] 472 00:13:30,610 --> 00:13:33,280 It's a simple african instrument. 473 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,548 The next week we'll be here quite a bit. 474 00:13:35,582 --> 00:13:37,417 I'm pretty relaxed about it. 475 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:40,020 [laughs] buck's not. 476 00:13:40,053 --> 00:13:42,022 There's a lot of work to do. 477 00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:45,058 ["The gunman" music plays] 478 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:52,365 That's the kalimba you hear. 479 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:55,502 He's following a mystery to find out what's happened. 480 00:13:55,535 --> 00:13:58,939 The music needs to have a bit of intrigue. 481 00:13:58,972 --> 00:14:01,374 ["Gunman" theme music] 482 00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:27,067 I think we cracked the puzzle on this pretty quick. 483 00:14:31,304 --> 00:14:34,041 [burlingame] as film grew up, in terms of the subject 484 00:14:34,074 --> 00:14:36,176 That they were tackling and what the filmmakers 485 00:14:36,209 --> 00:14:39,947 Themselves were seeking, film music itself changed. 486 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:43,516 It became more modern in style. It embraced jazz. 487 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:48,155 ["A streetcar named desire" theme music plays] 488 00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:51,658 "A streetcar named desire" was alex north's first film score. 489 00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:55,262 And he comes in with a history of having written ballets 490 00:14:55,295 --> 00:14:57,064 And concert works in new york 491 00:14:57,097 --> 00:14:58,999 And tackles his first film assignment, 492 00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:02,535 And writes the most revolutionary score of all time. 493 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:05,572 ["A streetcar named desire" theme music continues] 494 00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:13,680 [townson] the first film score incorporating jazz 495 00:15:13,713 --> 00:15:15,282 In the writing structure. 496 00:15:17,284 --> 00:15:19,619 Jerry goldsmith said when he heard the score for the first time, 497 00:15:19,652 --> 00:15:20,954 He knew that film music had changed 498 00:15:20,988 --> 00:15:22,522 And would never be the same. 499 00:15:22,555 --> 00:15:26,359 ["Pink panther" theme music plays] 500 00:15:28,728 --> 00:15:32,132 Bond. James bond. 501 00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:36,136 [richard kraft] john barry came from his own band, 502 00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:42,509 Performing music that sounded like early james bond music. 503 00:15:42,542 --> 00:15:45,545 [the john barry seven, "Hit and miss" music plays] 504 00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:50,017 [kraft] by the time he wrote james bond music, 505 00:15:50,050 --> 00:15:55,522 He was bringing a band sensibility to movies. 506 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,357 [james bond theme music plays] 507 00:16:08,601 --> 00:16:11,371 Thing about big band music, it was cool. 508 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:13,006 And it swung. 509 00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:17,544 [david arnold] felt like this was a guy who could do anything. 510 00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:25,718 You will not hear any film, which is to do with spying or secret services 511 00:16:25,752 --> 00:16:27,287 Without a reference to bond. 512 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,057 I mean, it's become the thing to go to, 513 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:32,659 In the same way that morricone was for spaghetti westerns. 514 00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,661 ["The good, the bad and the ugly" theme music plays] 515 00:16:45,138 --> 00:16:46,639 [beck] ennio morricone. 516 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:48,275 He's not going to hit you with music 517 00:16:48,308 --> 00:16:50,043 That makes you go, "Whoa, what is that instrument? 518 00:16:50,077 --> 00:16:51,778 Whoa, how did he make that sound?" 519 00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:55,415 But what he will do is just kill you with a melody. 520 00:16:55,448 --> 00:16:57,517 [theme music continues] 521 00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:08,295 [doreen ringer ross] "The good, the bad and the ugly" 522 00:17:08,328 --> 00:17:11,131 Is such an iconic piece of music. 523 00:17:11,164 --> 00:17:14,434 You know, he just took that sound of the guitar 524 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:17,504 And just put it into that western environment. 525 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:20,540 [theme music continues] 526 00:17:29,182 --> 00:17:32,519 [holkenborg] that is the sound of, you know, spaghetti westerns, 527 00:17:32,552 --> 00:17:34,454 Still, 50, 60 years after the fact. 528 00:17:34,487 --> 00:17:35,822 And I think that's quite an achievement. 529 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:39,226 By the 1960s, you had this great period, 530 00:17:39,259 --> 00:17:44,164 Where you had incredibly well-trained musicians. 531 00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:49,169 [burlingame] bernard herrmann had come out of dramatic radio. 532 00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:53,640 And his ability to take a sound, 533 00:17:53,673 --> 00:17:58,578 And create a specific kind of unique orchestra 534 00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:02,682 That was specific to each film was groundbreaking. 535 00:18:02,715 --> 00:18:05,718 ["Vertigo" theme music) 536 00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:11,191 [young] the main title from vertigo, 537 00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:16,563 That is the textbook perfect example 538 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:22,802 Of the score that says "Mystery, something's not right here. 539 00:18:22,835 --> 00:18:27,774 Stay away, but please come. Come running." 540 00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:32,579 [kraft] that was different than other writers at the time. 541 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:37,617 These are not melodic ideas. These are little phrases 542 00:18:37,650 --> 00:18:41,788 That had circular madness to them, 543 00:18:41,821 --> 00:18:46,859 That worked really well in alfred hitchcock movies. 544 00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:52,599 It felt like everything's driving forward in a sick, 545 00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:55,268 Inevitably disastrous way. 546 00:18:57,404 --> 00:18:59,606 Bernard herrmann, he had balls. 547 00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:02,875 So just to do what he did with "Psycho" in the shower scene. 548 00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:08,381 [psycho "Shower scene" theme music] 549 00:19:08,415 --> 00:19:10,417 [screams] 550 00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:19,826 Without the music, it's not that scary. 551 00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:24,231 You notice the cuts, you notice the process. 552 00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:25,532 As soon as you put the music there... 553 00:19:25,565 --> 00:19:27,334 ["Psycho" shower scene theme music] 554 00:19:32,605 --> 00:19:38,345 You're stuck in the mindset of this psychotic killer. 555 00:19:38,378 --> 00:19:39,879 [bates] outside of the context of that movie, 556 00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:41,548 People probably just wonder, 557 00:19:41,581 --> 00:19:42,915 "What the hell is the noise? Turn it off." 558 00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:44,784 ["Psycho" violin sound] 559 00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:46,919 But it was so effective in that moment. 560 00:19:46,953 --> 00:19:50,490 It really tricked you into believing you saw way more 561 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:53,393 Of the violent act in that scene than really occurred. 562 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,500 [synth pad music] 563 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,735 [holkenborg] when you read a book, and it says 564 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:07,206 "There is this great forest," everybody pictures a forest. 565 00:20:08,975 --> 00:20:11,644 None of these forests will be the same. 566 00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,887 It's exactly the same with music. 567 00:20:24,324 --> 00:20:27,560 You can ask 15 other composers to read that same script, 568 00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:29,396 They will all have different musical ideas. 569 00:20:31,598 --> 00:20:34,767 One of the things that I find so liberating about film music 570 00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,704 Is the fact that any instrument is valid, 571 00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:40,807 As long as it makes the movie better. 572 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,976 I have about five storage areas 573 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:45,878 That are all filled with musical equipment. 574 00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:48,047 At a certain point, I collect enough stuff 575 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,317 That when it starts to look like a junk store, 576 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:53,986 Then the people here do an intervention and they take everything. 577 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:58,525 They scrape it clean, and I just start over collecting things again. 578 00:20:58,558 --> 00:21:01,594 ["Rugrats" piano theme] 579 00:21:01,628 --> 00:21:03,296 It was a piano something like that. 580 00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:05,632 I bought it at a toy store at the beverly center, 581 00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:08,301 And I played the theme song for "Rugrats," 582 00:21:08,335 --> 00:21:11,504 Because I thought I'd never need to play the toy piano again. 583 00:21:11,538 --> 00:21:13,806 It was like $60 bucks. I thought, "What a lot of money 584 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,408 To spend on a toy piano." 585 00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:19,879 ["Rugrats" theme song plays] 586 00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:23,550 So I bought it, brought it to my studio, and recorded it. 587 00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:25,418 Then I took it back and got my money back. 588 00:21:25,452 --> 00:21:28,821 And now I always wonder, where is that toy piano 589 00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:31,724 That I wrote the theme song for "Rugrats" on? 590 00:21:31,758 --> 00:21:36,896 Many times I start the cue from playing other things, not the computer. 591 00:21:36,929 --> 00:21:40,367 [playing rhythm] 592 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:51,678 These are tuned sleigh bells. They're very rare. 593 00:21:55,748 --> 00:21:58,084 There's music in everything. I'll be taking an elevator. 594 00:21:58,117 --> 00:21:59,752 You'll be in the thing and then all of a sudden 595 00:21:59,786 --> 00:22:01,988 The door will be like [whoosh]. 596 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:03,756 And you're just like, "What was that, man? 597 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,925 That was cool, you know?" and you come back to the studio 598 00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:07,660 And try to recreate that sound. 599 00:22:07,694 --> 00:22:09,829 What would that sound like in musical form? 600 00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:14,467 So I'm always trying to distill what the world sounds like into music. 601 00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:17,604 [drumming] 602 00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:25,878 [xylophone music plays] 603 00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:32,018 [hitting piano strings] 604 00:22:32,051 --> 00:22:34,821 There is no such thing as the wrong way to do something. 605 00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:36,989 You just got to keep trying, and the wrong way 606 00:22:37,023 --> 00:22:39,025 Is the wrong way, until it's the right way. 607 00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:41,961 It's a bit of a dinosaur in that it went extinct 608 00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:45,465 And gave birth to the violin, and the guitar, 609 00:22:45,498 --> 00:22:47,467 And a lot of other things. The construction's pretty simple. 610 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:51,438 You have two drones, and in this case, one melodic string. 611 00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:11,123 It's kind of suggestive looking, at least. 612 00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:21,000 They sound kind of like when a seal plays musical horns 613 00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:22,401 In a circus or something. 614 00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:28,875 [playing piano] 615 00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:57,537 I haven't played that for years. 616 00:23:57,570 --> 00:24:01,874 Now that I've got the groove, I can imagine 617 00:24:01,908 --> 00:24:05,712 Like what could be a melody on top, right? 618 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:13,553 [vocalizing] 619 00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,243 It's a paradise. 620 00:24:37,276 --> 00:24:40,813 [rumbling] 621 00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:48,555 [holkenborg] I try to find a general rhythm in a scene. 622 00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:55,728 "Mad max," I spent at least seven months producing the score. 623 00:24:55,762 --> 00:24:56,863 ["Mad max: fury road" theme plays] 624 00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:58,965 Trying this, trying that. 625 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,700 Different types of drums. 626 00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:03,803 [theme music continues] 627 00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:11,243 The drums that were uniquely recorded 628 00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:13,780 For "Mad max" just playing one. 629 00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:15,147 [synthesized drum beats] 630 00:25:20,152 --> 00:25:24,591 If you combine all these multiple tracks together, 631 00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:28,928 Then you can get a really, really interesting quality 632 00:25:28,961 --> 00:25:31,297 Of these drums playing together 633 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:34,266 And they're pretty aggressive, which I'm a big fan of. 634 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:37,303 [drum beats] 635 00:25:52,619 --> 00:25:54,153 That actually makes, you know, quite a difference. 636 00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:56,188 Some directors want the music 637 00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:57,990 To constantly hit the shots. 638 00:25:58,024 --> 00:26:01,293 Other directors want really long pieces of music 639 00:26:01,327 --> 00:26:04,731 That go over multiple, multiple shots at the same time. 640 00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:07,767 ["Mad max: fury road" theme music continues] 641 00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:11,938 These are things that you constantly struggle with 642 00:26:11,971 --> 00:26:14,741 When you work to picture. 643 00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:17,777 [theme music continues] 644 00:26:21,247 --> 00:26:24,116 I don't care what music it is, but if I make a track, 645 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:26,252 It has to give me goosebumps, myself. 646 00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:27,954 I don't say that to be arrogant, 647 00:26:27,987 --> 00:26:30,056 But if it doesn't hit me in the stomach 648 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:31,791 As being a great piece of music, 649 00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:35,094 I cannot expect the audience, anybody out there, 650 00:26:35,127 --> 00:26:36,996 To have the feeling that it hits the stomach. 651 00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:39,098 If it gives me goosebumps, it's pretty likely 652 00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:41,100 It'll give someone else goosebumps, 653 00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:44,804 Because I think goosebumps come for everyone from similar places. 654 00:26:44,837 --> 00:26:46,873 When we're looking at emotion, 655 00:26:46,906 --> 00:26:50,843 And other kinds of responses to music, 656 00:26:50,877 --> 00:26:53,345 There are many structures in the brain that are involved. 657 00:26:53,379 --> 00:26:58,117 Music is so multifaceted, it's so multidimensional. 658 00:26:58,150 --> 00:27:00,653 Different aspects of music are processed 659 00:27:00,687 --> 00:27:02,321 By different systems in the brain. 660 00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:03,823 So when you're looking at something, 661 00:27:03,856 --> 00:27:05,725 Like melody and pitch, 662 00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:08,861 That's processed by one system in the brain. 663 00:27:08,895 --> 00:27:12,899 When you're looking at the time-based aspects like tempo and rhythm, 664 00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:15,968 That's processed by another system. 665 00:27:16,002 --> 00:27:20,106 We are having some sort of a physiological response 666 00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,341 That the body is showing, and the goosebumps 667 00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:27,113 Is actually just a sign of what's happening inside your body. 668 00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:30,349 There's a system in the brain, ventral striatum 669 00:27:30,382 --> 00:27:32,051 And nucleus accumbens, in particular, 670 00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,753 It's our reward center. 671 00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:37,857 Things like chocolate or sex, these are reactions 672 00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:40,392 That we can see involve these structures. 673 00:27:40,426 --> 00:27:45,097 So it's interesting because the same kinds of pleasurable feelings 674 00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:48,935 We get from chocolate, dopamine release, 675 00:27:48,968 --> 00:27:53,973 We could see some of the same kind of activations in the brain to music. 676 00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:57,343 It's the one art form that technically doesn't exist. 677 00:27:57,376 --> 00:28:00,012 You can touch musical instruments, 678 00:28:00,046 --> 00:28:05,417 You can touch cds or cassettes or vinyl that contain the music, 679 00:28:05,451 --> 00:28:08,454 But you can never actually put your finger on music. 680 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:11,357 It's just air moving a little bit differently. 681 00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:15,928 All music is doing is providing some structure to these air molecules. 682 00:28:15,962 --> 00:28:18,865 So if a truck goes by, 683 00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:22,802 It's pushing air molecules against our inner ear. 684 00:28:22,835 --> 00:28:24,904 If someone's playing cello, 685 00:28:24,937 --> 00:28:27,740 It's pushing the exact same air molecules against our ear, 686 00:28:27,774 --> 00:28:30,076 Just in a different, structured way. 687 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:32,311 And there's something odd 688 00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:34,380 But really, really interesting and powerful about that. 689 00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:38,818 But they'll never take our freedom! 690 00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:41,420 [moby] it makes armies march into battle. 691 00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:43,255 ["Braveheart" theme music plays] 692 00:28:43,289 --> 00:28:45,257 It makes people cry. 693 00:28:45,291 --> 00:28:48,995 ["Schindler's list" theme music plays] 694 00:28:49,028 --> 00:28:52,431 [bates] it can really increase the overall emotion 695 00:28:52,464 --> 00:28:56,002 In a way that will make a movie stay with its audience 696 00:28:56,035 --> 00:28:58,270 Long after the last frame of film. 697 00:28:58,304 --> 00:28:59,839 We are doing something here. 698 00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:02,875 We're harnessing something from the ether. 699 00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:06,979 Film music, and orchestral music in general, 700 00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:09,548 Is of great interest to neuroscientists 701 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,986 And to scientists because of its great power to emote. 702 00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:16,055 Film music is usually something that 703 00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:18,891 We're not paying conscious attention to, 704 00:29:18,925 --> 00:29:21,861 And yet it has such a powerful impact on us. 705 00:29:21,894 --> 00:29:24,196 [rabin] "Remember the titans," the music for me 706 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:27,800 Was written so specifically for that. 707 00:29:27,834 --> 00:29:30,069 ["Remember the titans" theme music plays] 708 00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:32,271 It's very interesting about using music in film, 709 00:29:32,304 --> 00:29:37,176 It's providing a very specific context for the music. 710 00:29:37,209 --> 00:29:40,279 There is a permanent linkage, so when you hear it again, 711 00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:42,448 The experiences you had in the theatre are evoked. 712 00:29:42,481 --> 00:29:45,551 I never even thought about whether it could be used elsewhere. 713 00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:48,120 Thank you. God bless you 714 00:29:48,154 --> 00:29:51,991 And may god bless the united states of america. 715 00:29:52,024 --> 00:29:55,394 ["Remember the titans" theme music plays] 716 00:29:55,427 --> 00:29:57,229 The phone rang. 717 00:29:57,263 --> 00:30:00,900 A friend of mine said, "I'm at the convention. 718 00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:05,938 'remember the titans' is playing as loud as a kiss concert." 719 00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:09,508 [theme music continues] 720 00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:11,543 I wasn't asked, which I'm not happy about, 721 00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:33,158 That you were not mistaken, 722 00:46:33,191 --> 00:46:37,062 That you had just played something that was going to almost live eternally. 723 00:46:37,095 --> 00:46:40,098 [steve erdody] almost anything we do with john williams is... 724 00:46:40,131 --> 00:46:43,168 We know it's going to be unbelievable. 725 00:46:43,201 --> 00:46:45,436 We always leave the sessions like feeling, 726 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:48,439 "Why can't all the sessions be like this?" 727 00:47:00,886 --> 00:47:05,090 ["Jurassic park" theme ends] 728 00:47:07,558 --> 00:47:09,895 [david arnold] a lot of the time you'll pick a studio 729 00:47:09,928 --> 00:47:12,530 Because it's appropriate to the sort of sound that you want to make. 730 00:47:15,233 --> 00:47:19,104 It used to be a church, obviously. 731 00:47:19,137 --> 00:47:21,873 It's a building that's been here for a couple hundred years. 732 00:47:21,907 --> 00:47:27,212 You know, it's a church, and I suppose everyone thinks that all churches are haunted somehow. 733 00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:32,617 We have had engineers who've been in here who've just seen that happen. 734 00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:35,520 You know, chairs just start spinning around. 735 00:47:35,553 --> 00:47:37,923 [chair creaks] 736 00:47:37,956 --> 00:47:40,291 It would be a great way to excuse yourself, wouldn't it? 737 00:47:40,325 --> 00:47:42,093 If you've made a terrible mistake. 738 00:47:42,127 --> 00:47:44,295 "It was the ghost that did that." but no, you know, 739 00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:48,233 All the terrible things that happen here are always based on people. 740 00:47:48,266 --> 00:47:50,235 Usually me. 741 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,475 I've sort of lived in this building since about 1994. 742 00:47:57,508 --> 00:48:00,078 -[arnold] morning. -[woman] 743 00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:06,651 [arnold] it was pretty derelict when george martin in the late '80s 744 00:48:06,684 --> 00:48:09,254 Sort of came upon it and decided this would be the place 745 00:48:09,287 --> 00:48:11,422 To convert into a studio. 746 00:48:14,625 --> 00:48:18,429 If you've ever been in a small room with a gang of people and shouted a lot, 747 00:48:18,463 --> 00:48:20,932 It sort of chokes the room out. 748 00:48:20,966 --> 00:48:22,433 You know, so you can't really hear anything 749 00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:24,535 Because the sound has got nowhere to go 750 00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,571 So everything piles in on itself? 751 00:48:26,604 --> 00:48:28,673 That's the same in an acoustic space. 752 00:48:28,706 --> 00:48:31,676 If we have 110 people in a room, 753 00:48:31,709 --> 00:48:34,012 We've got this moveable roof panel. 754 00:48:34,045 --> 00:48:37,648 You lift the roof up and it gives you an extra second and a half of reverb 755 00:48:37,682 --> 00:48:40,351 And so, you know, the sound can sort of swim around 756 00:48:40,385 --> 00:48:43,688 This gorgeous space with all these amazing reflective surfaces. 757 00:48:46,724 --> 00:48:50,095 [playing "Casino royale" theme] 758 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,337 We use up to 100 mics on a session. 759 00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:36,007 That all gives you the choice as to how close or how far away 760 00:49:36,041 --> 00:49:38,109 You want to feel from the music. 761 00:49:38,143 --> 00:49:41,446 It's a very different acoustic to abbey road. 762 00:50:12,177 --> 00:50:14,045 [joe kraemer] 86 players total today. 763 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,813 So it's a good size orchestra. 764 00:50:15,846 --> 00:50:17,682 We're here in abbey road studio number one, 765 00:50:17,715 --> 00:50:19,350 Which is the big orchestral room at abbey road. 766 00:50:19,384 --> 00:50:20,651 Check, check, one, two, three, test. 767 00:50:20,685 --> 00:50:23,088 Check, one, two, three. 768 00:50:23,121 --> 00:50:26,491 There doesn't appear to be a great deal of absorbent material on the walls, 769 00:50:26,524 --> 00:50:28,626 So it still has a bit of a live sound to it. 770 00:50:28,659 --> 00:50:29,827 When the orchestra cuts off 771 00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:32,197 You get a really great bit of reverb. 772 00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:35,666 [orchestra ends cue] 773 00:50:39,337 --> 00:50:41,572 The beatles recorded their orchestral stuff in here, 774 00:50:41,606 --> 00:50:44,842 And then in the '80s it became frequently used for film scores, 775 00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:47,612 So "Return of the jedi" was mostly recorded here. 776 00:50:47,645 --> 00:50:50,081 [williams] chorus people, thank you for coming. 777 00:50:50,115 --> 00:50:53,118 Welcome to this process of making "Star wars." 778 00:50:53,151 --> 00:50:55,220 [kraemer] the "Star wars" prequels were recorded here. 779 00:50:55,253 --> 00:50:56,687 Just winds, please. 33. 780 00:50:56,721 --> 00:50:58,389 One, two, three. 781 00:50:58,423 --> 00:51:02,059 [woodwinds playing "Star wars: the phantom menace"] 782 00:51:05,696 --> 00:51:08,566 The first three "Lord of the rings" movies were recorded here. 783 00:51:15,506 --> 00:51:18,109 I know when williams did like his films here, 784 00:51:18,143 --> 00:51:19,777 He tended to set up over here 785 00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:22,713 And throw this way, the long way. 786 00:51:22,747 --> 00:51:25,850 So that the choir from like "Duel of the fates" was up against that wall. 787 00:51:25,883 --> 00:51:30,121 [singing "Duel of the fates"] 788 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:42,633 Our sound engineer on this film, 789 00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:44,669 He asked for this layout, 790 00:51:44,702 --> 00:51:47,672 Because he prefers it in terms of getting the sound that he wants. 791 00:51:47,705 --> 00:51:52,477 [playing "Mission impossible: rogue nation" theme] 792 00:51:56,247 --> 00:51:58,316 When you're a film composer, 793 00:51:58,349 --> 00:52:01,286 Part of the gig is you're giving the director and the producers 794 00:52:01,319 --> 00:52:02,820 The music they want. 795 00:52:02,853 --> 00:52:04,622 But at the end of the day, if they don't like it, 796 00:52:04,655 --> 00:52:06,524 It's not in the movie. 797 00:52:06,557 --> 00:52:09,327 My crew in the mixing room consists of the engineer, 798 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,829 Who in this case is a guy named casey stone. 799 00:52:11,862 --> 00:52:15,633 He's sitting behind the board and he's operating all the faders. 800 00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:21,539 He's the one who set up all the microphones in here, 801 00:52:21,572 --> 00:52:24,409 Laid out the plan for how we were going to record everything. 802 00:52:27,245 --> 00:52:29,814 Next to him is a gentleman named louis, 803 00:52:29,847 --> 00:52:32,317 And louis is operating the pro tools, 804 00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:35,520 So he's controlling the clicks that I hear in my headphones, 805 00:52:35,553 --> 00:52:37,655 And that all the musicians hear in their headphones. 806 00:52:37,688 --> 00:52:40,925 [click track playing] 807 00:52:40,958 --> 00:52:44,161 [music begins] 808 00:52:48,299 --> 00:52:50,435 And then he's also recording all the takes, 809 00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:52,670 Making sure they're all labeled correctly. 810 00:52:57,242 --> 00:52:58,909 There's a gentleman named john finklea, 811 00:52:58,943 --> 00:53:00,478 He's the music editor. 812 00:53:02,313 --> 00:53:04,715 He is the person who will take all the takes 813 00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:07,685 And assemble not only the version that we use in the film, 814 00:53:07,718 --> 00:53:11,289 But also the version that we end up making the soundtrack album from. 815 00:53:11,322 --> 00:53:13,324 [music continues] 816 00:53:21,266 --> 00:53:23,268 Next to him is the orchestrator, 817 00:53:23,301 --> 00:53:25,670 Who in this film is matt dunkley. 818 00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:29,707 I do all my writing in a computer. 819 00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:34,745 The orchestrator takes that file and converts it into an orchestral score, 820 00:53:35,946 --> 00:53:37,815 A score that I can conduct from, 821 00:53:40,651 --> 00:53:43,888 And from which parts can be generated and given to all the musicians. 822 00:53:46,991 --> 00:53:48,826 And they don't have to see all the other parts. 823 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:53,431 [music ends] 824 00:53:59,837 --> 00:54:03,574 Great. Really, really. 825 00:54:03,608 --> 00:54:05,810 [kraemer] moving on? 826 00:54:05,843 --> 00:54:08,479 Yeah. Ready? 827 00:54:08,513 --> 00:54:12,817 Different cities, different influences, different rooms. 828 00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:15,986 In london, usually they play with a gentle sound. 829 00:54:20,858 --> 00:54:23,428 In los angeles, they play with a stronger sound. 830 00:54:28,566 --> 00:54:30,368 [pereira] I do work very hard. 831 00:54:30,401 --> 00:54:34,505 You know, and I have a team that also works hard with me. 832 00:54:36,073 --> 00:54:38,643 It takes a lot to get to this point. 833 00:54:40,044 --> 00:54:42,780 [orchestra rehearsing in slow tempo] 834 00:54:46,083 --> 00:54:49,854 It really is like your life story, 835 00:54:49,887 --> 00:54:53,924 Using the picture as a vehicle 836 00:54:53,958 --> 00:54:56,761 To show the human that you are. 837 00:54:56,794 --> 00:54:59,630 [orchestra playing at full speed] 838 00:55:13,043 --> 00:55:15,112 That was amazing. 839 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:20,050 [burlingame] conducting a score is something that everybody used to do. 840 00:55:20,084 --> 00:55:23,020 It's not so much that the composer doesn't have the chops 841 00:55:23,053 --> 00:55:25,523 To go out there and conduct an orchestra, many of them do. 842 00:55:25,556 --> 00:55:29,527 But it's often more important for them to be in the booth, 843 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,129 Listening to what the orchestra is playing, 844 00:55:32,162 --> 00:55:34,098 And sitting right there with the director 845 00:55:34,131 --> 00:55:38,135 To know how the director's feeling about what he's hearing. 846 00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:40,605 [music plays] 847 00:55:44,074 --> 00:55:45,443 Let it play. 848 00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:56,053 [harry gregson-williams] if you speak to john powell, or hans zimmer, 849 00:55:56,086 --> 00:55:59,690 They'll say they prefer to be in the control room, not conducting, 850 00:55:59,724 --> 00:56:02,493 Because that's where everything's fed through, they have more control. 851 00:56:02,527 --> 00:56:04,429 I mean, basically, we're all going after the same thing. 852 00:56:04,462 --> 00:56:05,763 We want the best result, 853 00:56:05,796 --> 00:56:09,634 The best performance for the film. 854 00:56:09,667 --> 00:56:11,902 [debney] a lot of composers like to be in the booth, 855 00:56:11,936 --> 00:56:14,905 So that they can be closer to the director. 856 00:56:14,939 --> 00:56:17,608 But I personally feel I get the best performance 857 00:56:17,642 --> 00:56:20,878 When I'm conducting my own music. 858 00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:22,813 [contractor] good morning! 859 00:56:22,847 --> 00:56:25,683 This is a film for paramount. It's lots of fun. 860 00:56:25,716 --> 00:56:28,653 John has done a great, oh my god, what a score. 861 00:56:28,686 --> 00:56:32,457 So without further ado, our composer and conductor, 862 00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:33,524 John debney. 863 00:56:33,558 --> 00:56:37,127 [applause] 864 00:56:37,161 --> 00:56:38,629 [debney] good morning. 865 00:56:38,663 --> 00:56:42,967 We're gonna start out with 5m1v3. 866 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,603 Let's make some sound. 867 00:56:45,636 --> 00:56:48,673 One, two. Two. 868 00:56:50,074 --> 00:56:52,176 [music begins] 869 00:57:37,755 --> 00:57:39,624 Good read. Good read. 870 00:57:39,657 --> 00:57:42,693 [bear mccreary] sight-reading musicians, the studio musicians, 871 00:57:42,727 --> 00:57:44,261 Really are an incredible breed. 872 00:57:44,294 --> 00:57:46,531 Producers or filmmakers, they say, 873 00:57:46,564 --> 00:57:48,966 "Well, how many days do they have to rehearse this?" 874 00:57:48,999 --> 00:57:52,870 And I say, "None. That was it. They never saw it before." 875 00:57:52,903 --> 00:57:55,540 And they go, "What? What?" 876 00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:58,175 There's a technique to being able to sight-read, 877 00:57:58,208 --> 00:58:00,978 To being able to congeal as a section, 878 00:58:01,011 --> 00:58:02,980 As a studio sight-reading orchestra. 879 00:58:03,013 --> 00:58:05,182 [debney] 24, we are faster right away. 880 00:58:05,215 --> 00:58:06,751 [conrad pope] when you're writing music, 881 00:58:06,784 --> 00:58:09,019 You're writing a letter to the performers. 882 00:58:09,053 --> 00:58:12,557 You're giving them a set of instructions on what they're supposed to do. 883 00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:14,759 And if you do it right, then it should be a love letter. 884 00:58:14,792 --> 00:58:16,627 And it... You should show again, 885 00:58:16,661 --> 00:58:19,564 "I know your instrument. I know who you are." 886 00:58:19,597 --> 00:58:23,701 You have many, many players trying to play the same note, 887 00:58:23,734 --> 00:58:25,169 But no one can. 888 00:58:25,202 --> 00:58:28,806 Everyone is off by microns of a percentage, 889 00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:31,742 Which gives it that chorusing effect. 890 00:58:34,612 --> 00:58:38,583 If everything was consonant and perfect, 891 00:58:38,616 --> 00:58:42,787 Um... Music would-- it would be terrible. 892 00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:46,724 I mean, it would be like putting auto-tune on etta james. 893 00:58:46,757 --> 00:58:50,661 You know, it just would take all the soul out of it. 894 00:58:50,695 --> 00:58:53,764 And honestly that's why we have-- 895 00:58:53,798 --> 00:58:55,099 Why orchestras sound beautiful. 896 00:58:55,132 --> 00:58:56,801 [debney] if there's ever a time 897 00:58:56,834 --> 00:58:59,136 Where I'm not able to get on a scoring stage 898 00:58:59,169 --> 00:59:04,141 And work with 90 musicians, I'll probably do something else. 899 00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:09,113 Working with the live musicians, that's what I live for. 900 00:59:09,146 --> 00:59:12,883 [music begins] 901 00:59:27,698 --> 00:59:29,233 Standing on the podium, 902 00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:32,202 And giving a downbeat to a piece of music 903 00:59:32,236 --> 00:59:34,571 That you've spent a long time crafting. 904 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,242 And hearing it for the first time, 905 00:59:38,275 --> 00:59:41,211 I guess it's like seeing your child for the first time being born. 906 00:59:41,245 --> 00:59:44,248 [music swells] 907 00:59:47,184 --> 00:59:52,757 The joy, the emotion of what that is, 908 00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:54,925 It's really everything to me. 909 00:59:54,959 --> 00:59:58,963 [music ends] 910 01:00:00,164 --> 01:00:01,866 Pretty darn good take. 911 01:00:01,899 --> 01:00:03,934 That's the real power of the orchestra 912 01:00:03,968 --> 01:00:05,670 And I think that's why-- 913 01:00:05,703 --> 01:00:07,872 That's why I think it'll never disappear. 914 01:00:07,905 --> 01:00:10,641 Certainly it's been transformed and will continue to be transformed, 915 01:00:10,675 --> 01:00:12,810 But I think at the heart, um... 916 01:00:12,843 --> 01:00:14,945 It's kinda the most human element 917 01:00:14,979 --> 01:00:16,914 And the most emotional element we have. 918 01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:19,149 [kraemer] let's go from 20 to the end of 48. 919 01:00:19,183 --> 01:00:20,918 This film has a lot of music. 920 01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:23,420 It's an action film, it's a tentpole movie, 921 01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:26,223 So they tend to be more wall-to-wall. 922 01:00:26,256 --> 01:00:28,893 You know, "Jack reacher" had about 60 minutes of music. 923 01:00:28,926 --> 01:00:30,895 This has about 110. 924 01:00:30,928 --> 01:00:32,730 [trevor rabin] you do see the billboards up 925 01:00:32,763 --> 01:00:35,199 Before you're finished doing the film. 926 01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:36,867 You drive past it thinking, 927 01:00:36,901 --> 01:00:39,303 "But the music's not written yet." 928 01:00:39,336 --> 01:00:43,307 The scary thing is going down to the subway in new york 929 01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:46,811 And I'm halfway done and seeing your name on the poster, 930 01:00:46,844 --> 01:00:48,846 And saying, "Oh god," you know, 931 01:00:48,879 --> 01:00:53,217 It's-- I have a long way to go in two and a half weeks." 932 01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:56,186 The more expensive the movies get, 933 01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:57,688 They do let you know this. 934 01:00:57,722 --> 01:01:01,826 You know, the... The occasional, you know, 935 01:01:01,859 --> 01:01:04,128 Hint gets dropped by the studio 936 01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:09,133 That you know, everything is riding on this and you better, you know, whatever. 937 01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:11,468 So this is not necessarily inspirational, 938 01:01:11,501 --> 01:01:13,470 It's just terrifying. 939 01:01:13,503 --> 01:01:16,173 [mitchell leib] the complexity of putting these things together 940 01:01:16,206 --> 01:01:19,076 Is immense now, and the pressure is immense. 941 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,878 Our studio? 942 01:01:20,911 --> 01:01:24,381 We're rolling close to a half a billion dollar roll 943 01:01:24,414 --> 01:01:26,717 Every time we take out a single movie. 944 01:01:26,751 --> 01:01:28,886 Do you know how much you have to make? 945 01:01:28,919 --> 01:01:32,957 Every movie that you're making has to be in the top 20 of all-time box office. 946 01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:34,792 It's insane. 947 01:01:34,825 --> 01:01:38,362 I just think the complexity of the business overall has-- 948 01:01:38,395 --> 01:01:41,131 Has brought a complexity to the art form. 949 01:01:41,165 --> 01:01:43,233 On the movie "Armageddon," which I did, 950 01:01:43,267 --> 01:01:46,771 I literally got a clock from jerry bruckheimer 951 01:01:46,804 --> 01:01:51,876 With a countdown clock, counting down to the day we finish, 952 01:01:51,909 --> 01:01:55,045 And that was in front of me at all times. 953 01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:57,982 Deadlines can be terrifying. 954 01:01:58,015 --> 01:02:00,284 [kraemer] the schedule on this film is so accelerated, 955 01:02:00,317 --> 01:02:02,853 It's on a whole other level of professionality. 956 01:02:02,887 --> 01:02:04,321 It's been about six hours so far, 957 01:02:04,354 --> 01:02:05,990 We've got another three hours to go. 958 01:02:06,023 --> 01:02:07,024 [muttering] so guess what, 959 01:02:07,057 --> 01:02:09,794 Six clicks into bar 29. 960 01:02:09,827 --> 01:02:11,495 Yeah, you should go up a half step, I think. 961 01:02:11,528 --> 01:02:13,898 This kind of situation is so expensive, 962 01:02:13,931 --> 01:02:15,800 And so hard to organize. 963 01:02:15,833 --> 01:02:17,968 But there's always more than one way to solve a problem. 964 01:02:18,002 --> 01:02:20,805 [music starts] 965 01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:25,943 And you can solve this problem by changing the music at this cut, 966 01:02:25,976 --> 01:02:28,312 Or you can solve it by changing the music at that cut. 967 01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:35,185 [music ends] 968 01:02:37,187 --> 01:02:38,188 Great. 969 01:02:39,957 --> 01:02:41,859 [burlingame] as filmmaking styles have changed, 970 01:02:41,892 --> 01:02:43,794 Film music itself has changed. 971 01:02:43,828 --> 01:02:46,997 And as filmmakers have realized that, over the decades, 972 01:02:47,031 --> 01:02:48,432 Um, they've asked for different things 973 01:02:48,465 --> 01:02:49,967 And gotten different things. 974 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,969 What happened in 1978-79? 975 01:02:52,002 --> 01:02:54,004 Somebody flipped on a synthesizer. 976 01:02:55,906 --> 01:03:00,010 When the synth came in, actually, punk also happened. 977 01:03:00,044 --> 01:03:01,879 And you have this incredible new 978 01:03:01,912 --> 01:03:04,481 Extroverted musical intelligence going on. 979 01:03:04,514 --> 01:03:06,150 * from my heart and from my hand * 980 01:03:06,183 --> 01:03:07,818 * why don't people understand * 981 01:03:07,852 --> 01:03:10,120 * my intentions 982 01:03:11,588 --> 01:03:13,290 * ooh, weird 983 01:03:14,925 --> 01:03:17,294 * ooh ooh ooh ooh, weird science * 984 01:03:17,327 --> 01:03:20,164 Danny elfman. He was a performer. 985 01:03:20,197 --> 01:03:22,099 You know, tim burton, one day he gets to make a movie. 986 01:03:22,132 --> 01:03:23,300 Who's he going to have score it? 987 01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:24,935 Hey, how about his favorite band? 988 01:03:24,969 --> 01:03:27,237 Yeah, love oingo boingo. Who's in oingo boingo? 989 01:03:27,271 --> 01:03:29,039 Who's really the principal songwriter? 990 01:03:29,073 --> 01:03:31,275 Who's really doing-- oh, it's this guy danny elfman. 991 01:03:31,308 --> 01:03:33,443 -bingo-bango! -* weird science 992 01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:38,115 I was starting to write weird but elaborate compositions. 993 01:03:38,148 --> 01:03:41,952 I wrote this thing called "The oingo boingo piano concerto no. 1 and a half." 994 01:03:41,986 --> 01:03:45,355 Without having written that, I never would have taken "Pee wee's big adventure." 995 01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:48,825 ["Pee wee's big adventure" music plays] 996 01:03:54,331 --> 01:03:57,434 [lurie] since he was a kid, more or less, 997 01:03:57,467 --> 01:04:02,206 Just a really curious person who's been amusing himself, you know? 998 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,609 At first it was, you know, just the antics of oingo boingo, 999 01:04:05,642 --> 01:04:07,945 And then the whole tim burton, pee wee. 1000 01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:12,282 [kraft] there's nothing bland about danny. 1001 01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:13,550 Thanks a lot, crew. 1002 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,522 [kraft] danny is the composer 1003 01:04:18,555 --> 01:04:21,491 Who grabs you by the collar during the main title of the movie and says, 1004 01:04:21,525 --> 01:04:25,896 "I'm about to take you into a world, and here's what's it's about." 1005 01:04:25,930 --> 01:04:31,268 ["Edward scissorhands" music plays] 1006 01:04:31,301 --> 01:04:33,403 Danny's biggest strength is 1007 01:04:33,437 --> 01:04:38,909 I think he comes up with the most amazing little short musical ideas 1008 01:04:38,943 --> 01:04:41,078 That then become big musical ideas. 1009 01:04:41,111 --> 01:04:44,048 When he fully, like, exploded with "Batman," 1010 01:04:44,081 --> 01:04:46,050 Everyone's mind was blown. 1011 01:04:46,083 --> 01:04:48,652 "Batman," there was only one template: john williams, 1012 01:04:48,685 --> 01:04:51,055 And we didn't wanna do that. 1013 01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:53,557 Again, I had nothing to go on. 1014 01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:56,626 There was no model of what kind of chords, 1015 01:04:56,660 --> 01:05:01,298 How you do, like, a darker score that's still fun and has energy. 1016 01:05:01,331 --> 01:05:06,636 ["Batman" main theme plays] 1017 01:05:06,670 --> 01:05:11,575 And I realized what I tried to learn from bernard herrmann years earlier, 1018 01:05:11,608 --> 01:05:16,380 Which is, there is only one rule. 1019 01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:17,414 There are no rules. 1020 01:05:21,518 --> 01:05:22,486 ["Batman" main theme plays] 1021 01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:24,688 Boo! [laughs] 1022 01:05:24,721 --> 01:05:27,924 [theme music continues] 1023 01:05:31,161 --> 01:05:33,697 He can broach the big, orchestral world 1024 01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:36,200 With the very uber contemporary world, 1025 01:05:36,233 --> 01:05:38,068 And he does it really seamlessly. 1026 01:05:38,102 --> 01:05:41,571 And you can hear his sound, his personality. 1027 01:05:43,507 --> 01:05:47,244 ["Shawshank redemption" music plays] 1028 01:05:58,122 --> 01:06:01,358 Thomas newman is one of those composers 1029 01:06:01,391 --> 01:06:05,095 That it's very difficult to sort of describe what the sound is. 1030 01:06:05,129 --> 01:06:09,533 Like danny elfman, thomas has developed his own sound. 1031 01:06:09,566 --> 01:06:14,538 ["Shawshank redemption" music plays] 1032 01:06:19,343 --> 01:06:21,111 [ewart] the first score I worked with him on 1033 01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:23,280 Was "Shawshank redemption." 1034 01:06:23,313 --> 01:06:28,652 His music is extremely edgy and unique and he has an unmistakable mark, 1035 01:06:28,685 --> 01:06:31,255 It's like a watermark on anything that he does. 1036 01:06:31,288 --> 01:06:35,092 [music swells] 1037 01:06:38,695 --> 01:06:42,766 That's a lasting piece of art, "Shawshank." 1038 01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:44,401 [music ends] 1039 01:06:48,372 --> 01:06:50,774 ["American beauty" music starts] 1040 01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:56,213 [kevin spacey] my name is lester burnham. 1041 01:06:56,246 --> 01:06:58,048 [maltin] when I saw american beauty, 1042 01:06:58,082 --> 01:07:01,718 And I heard thomas newman's first notes 1043 01:07:01,751 --> 01:07:05,789 In the first frames of the movie-- I think it's a marimba that you hear. 1044 01:07:05,822 --> 01:07:09,293 It absolutely sets the tone of the film, 1045 01:07:09,326 --> 01:07:11,061 Puts you a little off balance, 1046 01:07:11,095 --> 01:07:14,231 Lets you know that you're in for a somewhat odd, 1047 01:07:14,264 --> 01:07:18,602 Offbeat take on american life. 1048 01:07:18,635 --> 01:07:22,739 [theme music continues] 1049 01:07:29,846 --> 01:07:31,615 The great thing about thomas newman 1050 01:07:31,648 --> 01:07:35,285 Is he's managed to capture a way of doing uncertainty, 1051 01:07:35,319 --> 01:07:39,089 So it's never-- it's never too committed, 1052 01:07:39,123 --> 01:07:43,727 But it's musically kind of got this great character to it. 1053 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,330 [j.A.C. Redford] he will generally, in a cue, 1054 01:07:46,363 --> 01:07:49,166 He'll establish a key center. 1055 01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:53,137 Things will start to weave in and out around that, around that baseline. 1056 01:07:53,170 --> 01:07:57,341 ["American beauty" "Plastic bag" music plays] 1057 01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:09,886 That creates a kind of a texture that lives behind the orchestra. 1058 01:08:09,919 --> 01:08:13,823 When the orchestra comes in, it becomes part of that texture. 1059 01:08:29,606 --> 01:08:32,409 Well, that particular language just didn't exist. 1060 01:08:32,442 --> 01:08:35,912 It was-- came out of thomas newman's brain. 1061 01:08:35,945 --> 01:08:37,481 [burlingame] thomas newman is alfred newman's 1062 01:08:37,514 --> 01:08:38,682 Youngest son. 1063 01:08:38,715 --> 01:08:40,517 Yes, he is orchestrally trained 1064 01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:42,886 And he can write a great orchestral score, 1065 01:08:42,919 --> 01:08:44,821 But sometimes the movies he was working on 1066 01:08:44,854 --> 01:08:46,190 Required something more intimate. 1067 01:08:46,223 --> 01:08:49,226 ["Finding nemo" theme music plays] 1068 01:08:55,699 --> 01:08:58,735 A lot ot times you can get a mood, 1069 01:08:58,768 --> 01:09:03,473 A prevailing mood and just slap it onto an image 1070 01:09:03,507 --> 01:09:05,842 And let it sit for two minutes. 1071 01:09:05,875 --> 01:09:09,613 [theme music continues] 1072 01:09:09,646 --> 01:09:12,682 Everybody rips it off. Everybody. 1073 01:09:12,716 --> 01:09:14,684 And they don't realize. They don't realize. 1074 01:09:14,718 --> 01:09:16,786 They're thinking "This is film music, this is how I do film music. 1075 01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:18,388 This is how I do that thing." 1076 01:09:18,422 --> 01:09:21,425 [theme music continues] 1077 01:09:30,934 --> 01:09:33,737 And of course it's been imitated and copied, 1078 01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:35,272 But he was... 1079 01:09:35,305 --> 01:09:37,574 He was there at that moment 1080 01:09:37,607 --> 01:09:39,376 To introduce something new. 1081 01:09:40,877 --> 01:09:43,213 It's so difficult to sit down 1082 01:09:43,247 --> 01:09:48,952 And do that cold emotive solo piano thing 1083 01:09:48,985 --> 01:09:50,520 'cause he's perfected it. 1084 01:09:59,796 --> 01:10:01,798 [leib] mtv is going on the air. 1085 01:10:01,831 --> 01:10:03,633 What video are they first gonna play? 1086 01:10:03,667 --> 01:10:06,303 A song called, "Video killed the radio star"? 1087 01:10:06,336 --> 01:10:09,573 * video killed the radio star * 1088 01:10:09,606 --> 01:10:11,408 * video killed the radio star * 1089 01:10:11,441 --> 01:10:13,677 If you look closely, you can see hans zimmer in the background. 1090 01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:17,247 * video killed the radio star * 1091 01:10:17,281 --> 01:10:19,783 * video killed the radio star * 1092 01:10:19,816 --> 01:10:25,555 Hans brought an unconventional rock swagger, okay, 1093 01:10:25,589 --> 01:10:27,957 [laughs] to film scoring. 1094 01:10:27,991 --> 01:10:30,994 ["Gladiator" theme music plays] 1095 01:10:38,635 --> 01:10:40,537 [broucek] there's a brutality about the way 1096 01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:44,441 That the orchestra plays. There's a violence, if you will. 1097 01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:45,475 An aggression. 1098 01:10:52,849 --> 01:10:55,785 There's an intensity about it, an intensity about how it's written, 1099 01:10:55,819 --> 01:10:57,821 An intensity about how it's played. 1100 01:10:57,854 --> 01:10:59,889 ["Gladiator" "Now you are free" begins] 1101 01:10:59,923 --> 01:11:04,060 The single female voice of lisa gerard in that film, 1102 01:11:04,093 --> 01:11:07,263 On top of the visceral power of the orchestra... 1103 01:11:11,368 --> 01:11:14,438 Really had an impact on the audience. 1104 01:11:14,471 --> 01:11:19,042 I will see you again. 1105 01:11:19,075 --> 01:11:22,346 But not yet. Not yet. 1106 01:11:22,379 --> 01:11:26,816 [lisa gerard vocalizing] 1107 01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:30,620 We had this idea. It had to be a woman's voice. 1108 01:11:30,654 --> 01:11:33,657 [vocalizing continues] 1109 01:11:35,725 --> 01:11:38,728 Why do you want a woman's voice in a gladiator movie? 1110 01:11:38,762 --> 01:11:43,099 The next day we came in, and there was that hand on the wheat field. 1111 01:11:43,132 --> 01:11:46,503 And that shot holds for a minute. 1112 01:11:46,536 --> 01:11:48,004 If you have written that in the script 1113 01:11:48,037 --> 01:11:51,575 It wouldn't have even made it to being shot. 1114 01:11:51,608 --> 01:11:54,077 Why would you hold your hand on the wheat field? 1115 01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:57,647 The only way that shot can work was because of the music, 1116 01:11:57,681 --> 01:11:59,416 Because of lisa's voice. 1117 01:11:59,449 --> 01:12:01,785 But it sort of gave license for the rest of the movie 1118 01:12:01,818 --> 01:12:03,553 To be a little bit more poetic 1119 01:12:03,587 --> 01:12:05,455 And to be a little bit more expansive. 1120 01:12:05,489 --> 01:12:08,091 [lemone] it really, I think, elevated the whole experience, 1121 01:12:08,124 --> 01:12:13,096 And it shaped the sound of hollywood for years afterwards. 1122 01:12:13,129 --> 01:12:14,831 Now we're in the hans zimmer era. 1123 01:12:14,864 --> 01:12:17,367 It just looms over everything. 1124 01:12:19,969 --> 01:12:21,971 [debney] this is why he's a revolutionary. 1125 01:12:22,005 --> 01:12:26,376 Hans took the string section and made them like a guitar. 1126 01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:27,611 They're playing rhythm. 1127 01:12:27,644 --> 01:12:30,980 [imitates string section] 1128 01:12:31,014 --> 01:12:33,817 And that's a really interesting thing. 1129 01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:36,520 I don't think anybody had really done that. 1130 01:12:36,553 --> 01:12:39,556 ["Pirates of the caribbean" theme music plays] 1131 01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:53,870 "Pirates." it's like led zeppelin. 1132 01:12:53,903 --> 01:12:56,806 It's like freaking led zeppelin played by an orchestra. 1133 01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,009 [theme music continues] 1134 01:13:07,551 --> 01:13:10,787 What hans has certainly done on "Dark knight" 1135 01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:12,522 Is obviously blur this line 1136 01:13:12,556 --> 01:13:15,191 Between this giant symphonic sound and electronics 1137 01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:20,764 And you're not quite sure where one ends and the other begins. 1138 01:13:20,797 --> 01:13:23,500 The sort of light, repetitive string ostinatos. 1139 01:13:23,533 --> 01:13:24,834 You hear that so often. 1140 01:13:24,868 --> 01:13:27,704 ["The dark knight" main theme] 1141 01:13:34,143 --> 01:13:37,514 It's just all about this constant pulse going on. 1142 01:13:44,954 --> 01:13:46,990 [debney] terribly powerful. 1143 01:13:48,858 --> 01:13:50,627 Terribly exciting. 1144 01:13:55,031 --> 01:13:59,803 [kraft] hans zimmer is still- he's a legend and still 1145 01:13:59,836 --> 01:14:01,638 Becoming more legendary. 1146 01:14:01,671 --> 01:14:05,509 ["Inception" theme music plays] 1147 01:14:05,542 --> 01:14:08,645 [broucek] the end of "Inception," it's like a new morning. 1148 01:14:17,887 --> 01:14:20,490 When he gets home, he's going to be reunited with his family 1149 01:14:20,524 --> 01:14:22,158 For real, in reality. 1150 01:14:24,193 --> 01:14:27,130 You're led in one direction like it's going to be okay. 1151 01:14:31,668 --> 01:14:34,971 Hans zimmer's score really washes over you in waves. 1152 01:14:40,744 --> 01:14:43,613 Then the music just piles it on. 1153 01:14:43,647 --> 01:14:47,016 [theme music continues] 1154 01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:49,753 The camera pans down and you're left with a big question. 1155 01:14:49,786 --> 01:14:52,556 [music grows quieter] 1156 01:14:55,559 --> 01:14:58,494 Wow, music adds quite a bit here. 1157 01:15:03,266 --> 01:15:04,934 [holkenborg] we've seen over the last five, six years 1158 01:15:04,968 --> 01:15:08,137 Where people that are not film composers 1159 01:15:08,171 --> 01:15:13,242 Were asked by a director to do something unique. 1160 01:15:13,276 --> 01:15:17,847 Like trent reznor and atticus ross. 1161 01:15:17,881 --> 01:15:19,816 And I think these are really good examples 1162 01:15:19,849 --> 01:15:23,219 Where people just really love people 1163 01:15:23,252 --> 01:15:26,756 That have an artist's career in the world outside of film scoring 1164 01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:32,528 Can bring so much authenticity in music and sound to the picture. 1165 01:15:36,966 --> 01:15:40,136 ["The social network" theme music plays] 1166 01:15:49,145 --> 01:15:52,081 [beck] the sounds they're using are extremely contemporary. 1167 01:15:56,152 --> 01:15:58,287 [kraft] their score for "The social network" 1168 01:15:58,321 --> 01:16:04,027 It's an emotional palette. It's a very disturbing kind of lyrical piano. 1169 01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:06,062 It's human, but it's technical. 1170 01:16:06,095 --> 01:16:11,601 It's emotionally dark, but it's got some feeling to it. 1171 01:16:11,635 --> 01:16:13,202 [reznor] when david fincher called, 1172 01:16:13,236 --> 01:16:16,172 "Hey, I want you to score my next film." fuck yeah. 1173 01:16:16,205 --> 01:16:20,009 "It's a movie about facebook." 1174 01:16:20,043 --> 01:16:24,147 I would be hard-pressed to think of something that sounded less sexy. 1175 01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:26,315 And we were shuffling the deck 1176 01:16:26,349 --> 01:16:30,019 Trying things that didn't feel intuitive. 1177 01:16:38,862 --> 01:16:43,867 Talking about changing the temperature of a movie 1178 01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:47,704 And the emotional response of the audience. 1179 01:16:47,737 --> 01:16:49,238 Radically different. 1180 01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:55,278 [reznor] the whole movie feels different after that. 1181 01:16:55,311 --> 01:16:57,313 I think it feels like a much more important film 1182 01:16:57,346 --> 01:17:01,284 Than the kind of "Ah, college life, tomfoolery" 1183 01:17:01,317 --> 01:17:03,753 That it could have been misled 1184 01:17:03,787 --> 01:17:05,755 Into feeling with the wrong music in there. 1185 01:17:05,789 --> 01:17:09,358 And ever since that point, there are a lot more electronic 1186 01:17:09,392 --> 01:17:11,227 Artists doing film scores. 1187 01:17:11,260 --> 01:17:13,096 Electronic production, and engineering 1188 01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:14,363 And a whole different way of looking at music 1189 01:17:14,397 --> 01:17:16,265 That is often much more visceral. 1190 01:17:16,299 --> 01:17:19,235 Trent reznor and atticus ross for "The social network." 1191 01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:22,071 [holkenborg] I think it's totally deserved that trent reznor 1192 01:17:22,105 --> 01:17:25,975 Not only got nominated but also won an oscar for score. 1193 01:17:26,009 --> 01:17:28,044 It's completely deserved. 1194 01:17:28,077 --> 01:17:31,681 When you have an unconventional image with unconventional sound, 1195 01:17:31,715 --> 01:17:34,250 Like with a lot of the things trent and atticus are doing, 1196 01:17:34,283 --> 01:17:36,452 The results can really be so much greater 1197 01:17:36,485 --> 01:17:38,054 Than the sum of their parts. 1198 01:17:38,087 --> 01:17:41,925 What the net result of that is, you know, 1199 01:17:41,958 --> 01:17:43,760 In some ways is sort of beautiful chaos. 1200 01:17:43,793 --> 01:17:47,163 Film music has changed, fairly radically. 1201 01:17:54,303 --> 01:17:57,807 There's far more experimentation. 1202 01:17:57,841 --> 01:18:03,046 There's far more freedom and inviting artists who would never have 1203 01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,314 Thought of doing a film score and nobody would have thought 1204 01:18:05,348 --> 01:18:07,316 Of doing a film score before. 1205 01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:09,318 And to me that's really exciting. 1206 01:18:09,352 --> 01:18:12,488 Technology has made it possible 1207 01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:16,993 For every composer to be a producer, as well. 1208 01:18:17,026 --> 01:18:20,296 At the core of it, though, is the tune. 1209 01:18:22,331 --> 01:18:25,168 For this one is the only cue that I feel 1210 01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:26,903 That we still need to work a little bit. 1211 01:18:26,936 --> 01:18:29,873 It happens to be the opening of the movie. 1212 01:18:29,906 --> 01:18:33,977 So, if we can get like this 1213 01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:37,213 Our orchestral ukulele, so to speak, 1214 01:18:37,246 --> 01:18:39,348 In a very simple... Very like 1215 01:18:39,382 --> 01:18:44,120 Plink, plink, plink, plink, plink. 1216 01:18:44,153 --> 01:18:46,155 -like that way, yup. -flies it by, yeah. 1217 01:18:46,189 --> 01:18:47,456 Very, very kinda sweet. 1218 01:18:47,490 --> 01:18:49,893 One, two, three and... 1219 01:18:49,926 --> 01:18:52,328 [music playing] 1220 01:18:54,330 --> 01:18:56,032 Can we do it... Okay. 1221 01:18:56,065 --> 01:19:01,104 Can we do it so your nails go on top of the string, 1222 01:19:01,137 --> 01:19:02,939 So it's kind of dirty. 1223 01:19:02,972 --> 01:19:05,008 So you plink, plink, plink, 1224 01:19:05,041 --> 01:19:07,076 Yes, yes. 1225 01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:10,013 [strings playing] 1226 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,255 The cellos now. 1227 01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:36,172 An amazing sound. 1228 01:19:36,205 --> 01:19:38,407 -happy? -I'm more than happy, man. 1229 01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:41,010 I'm like hypnotized. 1230 01:19:41,044 --> 01:19:42,912 [music playing] 1231 01:19:52,221 --> 01:19:53,990 Yeah, yeah. 1232 01:20:27,423 --> 01:20:28,591 Whoo-hoo! 1233 01:20:28,624 --> 01:20:30,927 Man, this is some powerful stuff. 1234 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,862 Beautiful. 1235 01:20:34,397 --> 01:20:38,467 I just wanna thank you again because you are amazing, 1236 01:20:38,501 --> 01:20:41,504 And what a privilege it is for a musician, 1237 01:20:41,537 --> 01:20:45,074 Like myself, to have you guys playing my music. 1238 01:20:45,108 --> 01:20:47,343 So, thank you very much. 1239 01:20:47,376 --> 01:20:48,377 Thank you, heitor. 1240 01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:57,987 Film music is essentially a recorded art. 1241 01:20:58,021 --> 01:21:01,157 Once you have the recording, then you're into mixing, 1242 01:21:01,190 --> 01:21:04,427 The more technological part of the production. 1243 01:21:07,163 --> 01:21:09,032 [jablonsky] before the music leaves my studio, 1244 01:21:09,065 --> 01:21:12,035 I just give it one last final mix 1245 01:21:12,068 --> 01:21:15,004 To make sure everything that I want to be heard is heard. 1246 01:21:15,038 --> 01:21:18,207 Every element needs some amount of attention 1247 01:21:18,241 --> 01:21:20,676 To create the overall feel that you want. 1248 01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:23,412 [music playing] 1249 01:21:28,384 --> 01:21:32,021 So that's... That's his main little melody. 1250 01:21:32,055 --> 01:21:35,691 Very simple, because he's a big simple, evil dude. 1251 01:21:35,724 --> 01:21:39,495 So there's a point where, it's a really dramatic moment in the film. 1252 01:21:39,528 --> 01:21:40,997 Up until this point in the music 1253 01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:42,465 I didn't have any french horns, 1254 01:21:42,498 --> 01:21:43,967 So I introduced them. 1255 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,635 [french horns playing] 1256 01:21:55,011 --> 01:21:56,579 You probably can't even hear them. 1257 01:21:56,612 --> 01:22:00,083 I can hear them because I know what they're playing, but... 1258 01:22:02,385 --> 01:22:06,322 Okay, so, now simply mixing them up a bit. 1259 01:22:06,355 --> 01:22:09,625 [music playing] 1260 01:22:23,472 --> 01:22:26,442 Every time I played that just then, they were there. 1261 01:22:26,475 --> 01:22:28,177 When I turn the horns down, 1262 01:22:28,211 --> 01:22:30,646 I don't feel that emotional peak. 1263 01:22:30,679 --> 01:22:33,516 Now there's 50 foot robots running down the highway, 1264 01:22:33,549 --> 01:22:36,619 That line better be mixed up loud, 1265 01:22:36,652 --> 01:22:38,387 Otherwise, you're not gonna hear it. 1266 01:22:38,421 --> 01:22:40,323 You want your intention to be clear. 1267 01:22:40,356 --> 01:22:44,260 [music playing] 1268 01:22:53,402 --> 01:22:56,639 The horns just give it kind of more of an emotional weight. 1269 01:22:56,672 --> 01:22:59,608 That's a part of mixing, is just making sure the elements 1270 01:22:59,642 --> 01:23:01,444 That you want to grab hold of the audience 1271 01:23:01,477 --> 01:23:05,481 Are loud enough to make a statement. 1272 01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:09,285 And you can't really be wishy washy. 1273 01:23:09,318 --> 01:23:11,987 You have to make bold statements. 1274 01:23:26,535 --> 01:23:28,271 I think, you know, with "Furious 7," 1275 01:23:28,304 --> 01:23:30,539 People really reacted to that film 1276 01:23:30,573 --> 01:23:32,508 On an emotional level. 1277 01:23:35,544 --> 01:23:37,780 Paul and his character say goodbye. 1278 01:23:40,183 --> 01:23:43,152 That's probably one of the most powerful theater experiences 1279 01:23:43,186 --> 01:23:46,122 I've had watching a film that I had worked on. 1280 01:23:48,491 --> 01:23:50,793 And it kind of crossed over his real life. 1281 01:23:55,264 --> 01:23:59,235 You can feel when a cue is working the audience. 1282 01:23:59,268 --> 01:24:00,569 That's what I love about film music, 1283 01:24:00,603 --> 01:24:02,738 If it's all emotion. 1284 01:24:06,275 --> 01:24:10,713 I think seeing audience reaction to films that you've worked on 1285 01:24:10,746 --> 01:24:12,448 Is really helpful. 1286 01:24:12,481 --> 01:24:14,517 It doesn't help you for the film that you just did, 1287 01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:16,185 Because it's already out in the theater. 1288 01:24:16,219 --> 01:24:18,654 But it certainly will help you for the next film. 1289 01:24:23,726 --> 01:24:28,731 Seeing literally the reaction of how people respond 1290 01:24:28,764 --> 01:24:31,400 To your music, that's really cool. 1291 01:24:46,415 --> 01:24:48,584 Now often, I'll cruise up to the front, 1292 01:24:48,617 --> 01:24:52,521 And creepily turn back and look at the audience 1293 01:24:52,555 --> 01:24:54,089 Watching the movie. 1294 01:25:02,865 --> 01:25:05,601 Very rarely am I spotted doing that. 1295 01:25:05,634 --> 01:25:07,836 Every once in a while I will look through the audience, 1296 01:25:07,870 --> 01:25:09,472 I'm enjoying everyone watching it, 1297 01:25:09,505 --> 01:25:12,175 And then there's one head like at the tennis match 1298 01:25:12,208 --> 01:25:15,411 With the one person like looking right at you looking at them 1299 01:25:15,444 --> 01:25:17,246 And that's uncomfortable, and then I leave. 1300 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,183 ["Avengers" theme music plays] 1301 01:25:23,719 --> 01:25:25,788 You want to get a sense of how did this work? 1302 01:25:25,821 --> 01:25:28,391 [theme music continues] 1303 01:25:30,393 --> 01:25:32,595 Especially in the scenes that are really musical. 1304 01:25:32,628 --> 01:25:35,598 Did they move people? 1305 01:25:35,631 --> 01:25:40,469 And then I do something that's slightly embarrassing. 1306 01:25:40,503 --> 01:25:43,739 I will run into a bathroom stall, 1307 01:25:43,772 --> 01:25:48,944 Um, and see if they're humming 1308 01:25:48,977 --> 01:25:50,946 Or whistling the theme, 1309 01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:56,619 And it is amazing how many times that's actually happened. 1310 01:25:56,652 --> 01:25:59,522 It's like the ultimate pat on the back. 1311 01:26:01,424 --> 01:26:04,793 To me, I feel like I affected them on a level 1312 01:26:04,827 --> 01:26:06,762 That they're unaware of. 1313 01:26:09,432 --> 01:26:13,269 It's cool to be able to witness people 1314 01:26:13,302 --> 01:26:15,404 Experiencing what I experienced 1315 01:26:15,438 --> 01:26:18,474 When I was watching films growing up. 1316 01:26:18,507 --> 01:26:23,712 And to think that it lives on beyond you is a crazy thing. 1317 01:26:23,746 --> 01:26:25,948 I mean, it's definitely gonna outlive me. 1318 01:26:25,981 --> 01:26:29,285 You know, these movies will be continued to be watched 1319 01:26:29,318 --> 01:26:30,953 And that's really cool. 1320 01:26:30,986 --> 01:26:33,956 One of the responsibilities we have as film composers, 1321 01:26:33,989 --> 01:26:38,227 Is we're the last people on earth who on a daily basis 1322 01:26:38,261 --> 01:26:40,363 Commission orchestral music. 1323 01:26:40,396 --> 01:26:42,598 Without us, the orchestras might just disappear, 1324 01:26:42,631 --> 01:26:44,700 And I think that will create a rift 1325 01:26:44,733 --> 01:26:47,670 In, you know, human culture. 1326 01:26:47,703 --> 01:26:52,241 I think it will be such a loss to humanity. 1327 01:27:08,591 --> 01:27:10,759 We all have this fragility. 1328 01:27:14,330 --> 01:27:16,699 We can chat for hours and in a funny way, 1329 01:27:16,732 --> 01:27:18,000 I'm very secure about this. 1330 01:27:18,033 --> 01:27:20,369 I-- because I hide behind the work. 1331 01:27:20,403 --> 01:27:22,571 You'll never really figure me out. 1332 01:27:22,605 --> 01:27:25,508 But when I play you a piece of music, 1333 01:27:25,541 --> 01:27:27,676 I completely expose myself. 1334 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,317 And that's the really scary moment. 1335 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:37,486 I love, I love, I love what I do. 1336 01:27:39,688 --> 01:27:42,758 Even when I sit there driven by paranoia, fear, 1337 01:27:42,791 --> 01:27:45,928 Neurosis, you know, pulling my hair out. 1338 01:27:50,433 --> 01:27:52,701 I still wouldn't trade it for anything else. 1339 01:28:05,781 --> 01:28:09,752 Very few people can be inspired every day 1340 01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:12,455 To write something brilliant. 1341 01:28:12,488 --> 01:28:14,557 Whether or not you're aware of it, 1342 01:28:14,590 --> 01:28:17,092 Music plays such an important role 1343 01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:18,927 In how you respond to a film. 1344 01:28:18,961 --> 01:28:21,597 All your other work on a film can come to nothing 1345 01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:23,866 If you don't get the music right. 1346 01:28:23,899 --> 01:28:25,768 You constantly have to reinvent yourself 1347 01:28:25,801 --> 01:28:29,872 And you have to adapt to very, very difficult psyches. 1348 01:28:29,905 --> 01:28:32,608 It's quite a lot of weight to carry on your shoulders, 1349 01:28:32,641 --> 01:28:35,010 If you're just struggling and you have self doubts, 1350 01:28:35,043 --> 01:28:38,313 And sometimes, yeah, sometimes you crash into a wall. 1351 01:28:40,383 --> 01:28:44,086 The satisfaction of succeeding, yeah, it's really something. 1352 01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:47,823 Film music is one of the great art forms 1353 01:28:47,856 --> 01:28:49,958 Of the 20th and 21st century. 1354 01:28:49,992 --> 01:28:53,095 [tan] there is something about what the film composer 1355 01:28:53,128 --> 01:28:55,798 Brings in by their intuition. 1356 01:28:57,433 --> 01:29:00,603 That unique ecology, that unique combination 1357 01:29:00,636 --> 01:29:06,542 Is what makes film music so powerful, so mysterious, 1358 01:29:06,575 --> 01:29:11,414 And probably uncaptureable to us as scientists. 1359 01:29:35,137 --> 01:29:39,875 [music playing] 1360 01:30:33,128 --> 01:30:37,065 When we were cutting "Titanic," james was sending over music 1361 01:30:37,099 --> 01:30:40,636 As he was-- 'cause what he would do is sketch out 1362 01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:43,205 On synthesizer, with his synthesist, 1363 01:30:43,238 --> 01:30:46,208 What he intended to do with the orchestra. 1364 01:30:46,241 --> 01:30:49,044 So I was used to getting sort of new ideas coming in. 1365 01:30:49,077 --> 01:30:50,579 So I was sitting there cutting one day 1366 01:30:50,613 --> 01:30:54,550 And a disc came in that said, "Sketch." 1367 01:30:54,583 --> 01:30:57,586 I thought, "Oh, okay, this goes for the sketching scene." 1368 01:30:57,620 --> 01:30:59,888 I just kinda slid it around until I found a place 1369 01:30:59,922 --> 01:31:02,124 Where it seemed to sync with the scene nicely. 1370 01:31:02,157 --> 01:31:05,761 [music playing] 1371 01:31:10,866 --> 01:31:12,868 So serious. 1372 01:31:12,901 --> 01:31:15,070 There's a kind of piano downbeat 1373 01:31:15,103 --> 01:31:17,973 That I just put on leonardo's eyes coming up 1374 01:31:18,006 --> 01:31:20,242 And looking directly at the camera. 1375 01:31:20,275 --> 01:31:24,580 [music playing] 1376 01:31:24,613 --> 01:31:26,682 A critical moment of eye contact 1377 01:31:26,715 --> 01:31:28,584 Between the two of them while he's drawing her, 1378 01:31:28,617 --> 01:31:29,985 And then, boy, it just really flowed. 1379 01:31:30,018 --> 01:31:32,755 [music playing] 1380 01:31:35,691 --> 01:31:37,926 So, I was so excited about it, I called him up, 1381 01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,596 I said, "Listen, this is working so well." 1382 01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:42,130 I put it up to the sketching scene 1383 01:31:42,164 --> 01:31:43,932 And it's working fantastically. 1384 01:31:43,966 --> 01:31:45,768 And he said, "Oh, no, no, no, no, that's just a sketch. 1385 01:31:45,801 --> 01:31:48,103 It's just a piano sketch of a melody. 1386 01:31:48,136 --> 01:31:51,206 We can drop it in anywhere." and I said, "But it works beautifully on this scene. 1387 01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:54,643 He said, "Really?" I said, "Yeah, get your ass over here." 1388 01:31:54,677 --> 01:31:57,680 So, he came over, he said, "Oh, that works pretty well." 1389 01:31:57,713 --> 01:31:59,247 He said, "All right, well, I'll orchestrate it." 1390 01:31:59,281 --> 01:32:01,717 I said, "No, no, no, no. Just the piano." 1391 01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:06,021 [piano music playing] 1392 01:32:10,826 --> 01:32:14,563 He said, "All right, I know the best pianist in the world. 1393 01:32:14,597 --> 01:32:15,898 I know-- he's out of london." 1394 01:32:15,931 --> 01:32:19,902 I said, "No, it's you, buddy, it's you." 1395 01:32:19,935 --> 01:32:22,671 [music playing] 1396 00:30:11,577 --> 00:30:15,848 But, it's quite interesting watching it being used 1397 00:30:15,882 --> 00:30:19,018 For something completely different. 1398 00:30:19,051 --> 00:30:22,288 [kraft] we live in a world that things are underscored. 1399 00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:26,092 It's actually interesting how the music 1400 00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:31,163 Of "Remember the titans" evokes what obama wanted 1401 00:30:31,197 --> 00:30:35,334 To be as the man walking out as the new president. 1402 00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,269 [theme music continues] 1403 00:30:37,303 --> 00:30:41,407 [lemone] whatever the audience felt in the theatre, 1404 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,642 It was resonant again. 1405 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:47,046 The power of the score in and of itself is amazing. 1406 00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:51,650 [tan] when we're watching a 90-minute standard film, 1407 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:55,221 We make about 21,000 or more eye movements. 1408 00:30:55,254 --> 00:30:59,058 And even though we feel like we have full control 1409 00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:02,228 And freedom of where to look, many studies on eye tracking 1410 00:31:02,261 --> 00:31:05,231 Have shown that actually a film audience 1411 00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:08,034 Is usually looking at about the same place on a screen 1412 00:31:08,067 --> 00:31:10,069 At about the same time. 1413 00:31:10,102 --> 00:31:13,639 One way that the eye can be directed to a specific spot 1414 00:31:13,672 --> 00:31:17,543 On the screen is when there's something about the music 1415 00:31:17,576 --> 00:31:20,479 That matches some characteristic on the screen. 1416 00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:24,383 For example, a rising pitch with something that is rising. 1417 00:31:27,086 --> 00:31:29,155 And a great example of this comes from 1418 00:31:29,188 --> 00:31:33,225 The "Married life" montage from the film, "Up." 1419 00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:36,295 The first time that we see the balloons 1420 00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:38,597 That are tied to carl's cart, 1421 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,433 That's really important because the balloons are going 1422 00:31:41,467 --> 00:31:44,036 To be an important visual motif, 1423 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:48,107 An important theme for the entire film. 1424 00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:54,013 We see carl, and then we see ellie walking out with a parrot. 1425 00:31:54,046 --> 00:31:58,117 And then the balloon cart rises and comes back down. 1426 00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:59,986 So it's very interesting to see 1427 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:04,523 That music can be part of the choreography of the dance 117922

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