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Of our eye movements during a film sequence.
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It used to be representative scoring,
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Where everything you see, you hear.
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Walk up the steps. [makes rising sound effect]
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Romantic kiss.
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The eye's doing the same thing the ear's doing.
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There's so many decisions to make in movies.
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Hollywood was going through an odd transition in the '60s,
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Especially the mid-'60s to the early '70s.
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One of the things that got thrown out was the idea
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Of the old-fashioned orchestral score.
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* in restless dreams I walked alone *
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Now there was a movement toward source music.
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* narrow streets of cobblestone *
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Folk music...
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["Bonnie and clyde" theme music plays]
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Intimate types of musical groupings...
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* take a load off, annie *
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* take a load for free
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It was just different. The '60s were a lot
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Of composers who really knew what they were doing,
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Who didn't want to do it the old way.
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["Planet of the apes" theme music plays]
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[kraft]
jerry goldsmith was absolutely the most innovative composer
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To work on mainstream movies on a regular basis.
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What's amazing about "Planet of the apes"
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Is he's using all these modern techniques.
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He reapplied it and put it into drama.
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[theme music continues]
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Metal mixing bowls and rubber balls being bounced into a bowl.
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[theme music continues]
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[bates]
just kind of screwing with the orchestra the way he did
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And just being so ballsy in his choices
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And it being so on point for that movie.
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It'll always be one of the all-time great
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Science fiction scores.
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["Chinatown" theme music plays]
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[jon burlingame]
"Chinatown" was written in 10 days after
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An earlier score had been written, recorded, and thrown out.
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And it's very interesting that jerry comes in
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And he looks at the film,
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And he immediately decides he needs four harps, four pianos,
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Strings, percussion, and a solo trumpet.
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[theme music continues]
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[ringer ross]
why four pianos?
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I mean, jerry was just sort of the godfather of all this, wasn't he?
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It's such an interesting musical choice, but that's jerry.
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You ask musicians, they might think he is the best ever.
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["The reivers" theme music]
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[steven spielberg]
when I heard "The reivers," I said, "My god, this guy
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-must be 80 years old." I really thought-- -[williams]
nearly!
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I thought maybe here's some guy who's 80 years old
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Who maybe wrote his greatest scores of his life.
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And I wanted to find out who this guy was,
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And I met this young man named john williams and I was amazed.
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[kraft]
john williams did not start as a classical composer,
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He started as a jazz pianist.
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[david newman]
john williams played piano on "West side story."
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["West side story" theme music plays]
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And he played piano on "The apartment."
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["The apartment" theme music plays]
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[david newman]
born and bred in the fox system,
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Him and jerry goldsmith, that's where they learned.
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Nobody knew that the whole field would change.
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["Jaws" theme music plays]
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[lemone]
when we saw "Jaws,"
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If it didn't have that "Ba-domp ba-domp",
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None of us would have known what was happening.
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* da-dun. Da-dun, da-dun da-dun, da-dun *
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[theme music continues]
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It was pretty brilliant.
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And it was almost like a crazy experiment.
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He was an engine, "Ba-dum, ba-dum," accelerating.
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Ba-dum. Ba-dum. Ba-dum.
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Like a train moving forward, this is an eating machine.
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He is as simple as "I move forward to kill."
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[theme music continues]
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That shark didn't need more. He needed two notes.
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The first day with steven, he said,
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"What are you going to play for jaws?" I went--
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[plays "Jaws" theme]
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He said, "You're kidding."
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[laughter]
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I said, "You're crazy, this is a serious movie!"
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I thought he was going to say, "No, I'm only kidding."
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And he was about to play this very poetic pastoral symphony.
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And john said, "No, no, you've made a very primal movie."
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[theme music continues]
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[spielberg]
part of the genius of john williams
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Is how he spots music
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And how he places music in a movie.
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John did not want music to celebrate a red herring.
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He only wanted music to signal the actual arrival of the shark.
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Everybody goes, "Oh, 'jaws,' it's just these two notes."
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It's not. There's this amazing orchestral symphonic piece
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That takes place and it's just being triggered by these two notes.
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Just artistic imagination is phenomenal.
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We are not worthy.
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I said, "Oh my god. It's a rebirth.
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Film music is back, it's alive!"
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["Star wars" theme music plays]
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[leo erdody]
"Star wars" made such an incredible splash when it came out.
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Everything about it was so exciting and thrilling
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For an 11-year-old growing up at that time.
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Here they come.
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["Star wars" theme music plays]
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[townson]
and spoke to a whole generation of people.
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[holkenborg]
I was, I think 12 when that thing came out.
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So it had a massive impact on my youth.
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[theme music continues]
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We had the theme from "Star wars" locked in our head as a kid,
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As soon as we walked out of that theatre.
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[theme music continues]
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[holkenborg]
musically, yes, it is a symphonic score.
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But I mean, it's one of the greatest scores probably ever written.
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It's impossible to think of "Star wars" without williams' music.
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["Star wars" "Luke's theme" music plays]
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[maltin]
the score he did helped the audience
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Rediscover the classical orchestral film score.
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["Star wars" theme music]
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Spielberg and lucas can lay claim to many things,
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And one of them is helping to reintroduce audiences
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To that kind of moviegoing experience.
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Star wars turned this shit upside down.
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[zimmer]
it was john williams that made me,
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First of all, realize that film music could be
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Of a quality and distinction that is as great
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As any of the classical composers I grew up with.
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There's the traditional idea of good and bad,
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And how they were exemplified in music.
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I like to always go to "Star wars,"
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Because there's those beautiful themes, john's main theme,
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And then there is the love theme.
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[birds chirping]
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[quiet piano music]
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[marco beltrami]
the piano we built for this movie "The homesman,"
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The problem with this is that it's out in the elements,
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And it disintegrates.
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But I think it's a noble death for a piano.
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The wind is a big feature in the movie
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And we thought that it'd be great to be able to tune the wind.
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[quiet piano music]
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It sounds really amazing.
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[music continues]
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This is part of the fun of experimenting.
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You know, you figure this stuff out.
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[music continues]
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One interesting thing that happens
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Is the sound travels through the wire
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Faster than it travels through the air,
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So you get this reverse echo, which is really cool.
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You don't even have to put any effect on the sound at all.
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I mean, you can hear it all the way down in the valley.
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It's more than just the concept of doing something cool
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That nobody's done before. It's more fun.
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Samurai's death here, on the hill.
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["Rocky" theme begins]
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[christopher lennertz]
when you hear "Rocky"...
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Everybody in the audience knows what's going on.
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The composer is a storyteller.
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Music has the ability to shape and in some cases alter
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Or even subvert what the filmmaker is communicating.
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The score is the heart and the soul of the film.
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Film music can make an exciting scene more exciting.
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We call it "Emotion lotion,"
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Because we can make you feel anything we want you to feel.
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It's being able to communicate on a level
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That they can't tell in pictures.
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Great film music can elevate.
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["Rocky" theme climax]
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* getting strong now
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* moving on now
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* getting strong now
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[jon burlingame]
music has always been
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A part of the cinema-going experience,
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As far back as 1895 when the lumi��re brothers
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Were experimenting in paris.
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In the earliest days, it is true,
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Music was thought of as something
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To cover up the noise of the projector.
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[organ music plays]
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[leonard maltin]
silent films were never silent.
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There was at least a pianist in the smallest nickelodeons,
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And sometimes the bridge between them was a theatre organ.
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[music continues]
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[bill field]
there were many theatre organ makers,
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But the one that produced the most organs,
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And is thought to be probably the best
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Is the name wurlitzer.
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They showed how a person could bring to life
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The movies that were otherwise quiet.
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[music continues]
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They either did a score that was printed for them,
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Or they improvised and created their own.
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They were made part of the moviegoing experience.
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[maltin]
a number of people had toyed
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With the idea of scores in hollywood.
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[burlingame]
max steiner's score for "King kong" in 1933
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Was a landmark.
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[christopher young]
when "King kong" came out,
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"Wait a second. Orchestra music in a movie?"
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["King kong" music plays]
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[david newman]
the only reason he was able to do it
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Is because the movie wasn't scary.
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It looked kitschy and stupid,
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Because it was so-- it was kitschy and stupid.
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But then he put that music in.
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[music continues]
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It completely changed the movie. It made it frightening.
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[music continues]
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[burlingame]
people had not done that before.
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It was really the first major score
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That demonstrated conclusively the power of music in film.
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Alfred newman came from new haven, connecticut,
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An iconic figure in the history of film music.
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[theme from "Captain from castille" plays]
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A sound that favors horns and woodwinds.
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[music continues]
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[david newman]
my father was alfred newman.
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In 1930, he came to l.A.
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[20th century fox logo music plays]
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He was at 20th century fox for 20 years.
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The fox logo-- arguably the most famous logo ever written--
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It wasn't written for fox, it was written for goldwyn and it was rejected.
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And then he used it for fox and darryl zanuck loved it.
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There was nothing like that orchestra. I'm talking about rubato.
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["Star wars" "Love theme" music plays]
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But then there's the darth vader theme.
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[star wars "Imperial march" music]
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* dun, dun, dun, dun da dun *
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It's just so martial and so broad
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That you go, "Oh boy, there's something not good here."
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["Imperial march" theme continues]
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The right score for the right movie at the right time.
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That '70s era, that is absolutely the era of john williams.
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["Superman" theme music plays]
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Without his music, superman's powers are greatly diminished.
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[laughter]
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Believe me, if you try to fly without that theme,
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You go nowhere. One step, two steps and down.
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[theme music continues]
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[brian tyler]
everyone knows the superman theme,
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But the krypton theme that comes right before it...
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That overture, it's mysterious, it's almost like avant-garde.
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["Superman" "Krypton theme" music]
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That sets up this really tuneful double-chorus melody.
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Almost makes it, to me, 10 times more the piece.
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So it's his way of surrounding pieces with other pieces.
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["Superman" theme music plays]
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Most of the world, if you were to play the music
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From "Jaws," or "Star wars," or "Raiders of the lost ark,"
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Most folks would know exactly what that was.
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[brian tyler]
"Raiders of the lost ark."
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If you hear the melody without the rhythm,
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You can recognize it. [sings melody]
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But if you just to the rhythm, [sings rhythm]
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With no melody you recognize it either way.
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["Indiana jones" theme music plays]
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Very simple little sequence of notes.
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But I spend more time on those little bits of musical grammar
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To get them just right so that they seem inevitable.
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[tyler]
there's a hooky, tuneful, well-orchestrated theme,
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But I think that's only half of it.
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There's always the bravura part of the john williams composition.
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The first 8, 16, 32 bars. The great "Raiders of the lost ark" theme.
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And then comes the b part.
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["Indiana jones" theme music]
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It's less well known, but it's so beautifully crafted.
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I always think that's the part he writes for himself.
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It means "Slowing down and speeding up in an expressive way."
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You would never read a line of text like,
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[robotically]
"I went to the market today."
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"I went to the market today."
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You'd have a-- you'd have a structure of a phrase.
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That is so uber important in music.
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They became expert at making that musical.
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That helped define what we know as the classic hollywood sound.
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[john debney]
a spotting session is the first time
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We all get together, look at the movie,
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And decide where the music's gonna go,
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And what type of music it's going to be.
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All movies, the first 20 minutes
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Are too slow because we're laying pipe.
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So we want the music to be something but not crazy.
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The goal of a spotting session is to have a dialogue
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With the composer that you've probably been postponing.
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I've done my work, I've done my design,
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I've cast the movie, I've shot it.
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We've done all our beautiful photography,
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We've done all our super-brilliant editing.
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Now it's going through and trying to communicate
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What I've heard in my mind.
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[narrator on film]
ah, mothers.
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Mothers are our rocks.
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So it says "Open road pictures,"
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Then we're going to cut to possibly not the front door
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But a shot before the front door
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-that establishes the house. -[debney]
got it.
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[trevor rabin]
spotting, to me, is really important
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Because it gives me an idea of what the director's looking at
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And what he's looking for.
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-something that's peppy right away... -[debney]
peppy, yep.
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And then we come here and we slow down.
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Kind of settle on that.
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You're collaborating with people.
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I want them to feel like a filmmaker like them
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Has come into the process.
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I'm the one that specializes in
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This one thing that they're uncomfortable with.
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You're trying to come up with music
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That supports the scene and complements it in an unobtrusive way.
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You spend as much time as you can
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Immersing yourself in the backstory.
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As a film composer,
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I think he's as brilliant as people feel he is.
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And as popular as his music is, he's even better than that.
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["E.T." theme on piano]
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If it would be convenient to go into the call.
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[piano playing]
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[sings theme]
yeah.
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I like that. As a matter of fact,
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It seems like a very natural transition.
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-[williams]
up or down? -[spielberg]
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Maybe once down.
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It could go down once and then go up.
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[deborah lurie]
what a score needs to do has changed,
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Because of how filmmaking has changed.
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Let's take john williams, let's take the end of "E.T."
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["E.T." "Bicycle theme" music plays]
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Where are we going?
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To the forest!
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[lurie]
it is just a wide open space for music.
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Follow me!
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When was the last time that somebody left a space
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That open and said, "I want this to be a music moment
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Where you just bring that tune home."
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[theme music continues]
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I'll be right here.
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[theme music continues]
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Bye.
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We have this vast, expansive music
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With the taking off of the spaceship.
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[theme music continues]
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John williams, steven spielberg decide
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That we're gonna go from big music to [whoosh],
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Reminding us who is going into that spaceship.
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We could look at what is happening in the story as being very sad,
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These are farewells.
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And at the very end we hear this coda,
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This fanfare that's very triumphant.
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["E.T. End fanfare" plays]
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That is saying that we're looking at this from elliot's viewpoint.
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That it's not a loss, but it's almost like saying,
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"Mission accomplished. We got e.T. Home."
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["E.T." music ends]
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[david ewart]
in the orchestra, one of the things we love
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Is the 10-minute break.
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But on tens, when you have been inspired by the music,
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There's an electricity.
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["Jurassic park" theme plays]
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On "Jurassic park,"
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You could tell by the look in your colleague's eyes
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You're part of the storytelling team.
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[man]
do you want to spin forward to the next cue, garry?
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-[marshall]
yeah. -[debney]
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Ends when she comes around the corner, right?
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I try to get a sense of what their insecurities are.
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The more time you spend with them,
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The more you get those answers.
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Most directors don't know how to convert emotions
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Into musical-- into music.
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So the composer has to kind of act almost like a therapist
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And go through all this mishmash
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Of what the director's saying and get the essence of it.
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What if we kind of tail right into that?
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-[woman]
yeah, right, you don't need to go-- -right?
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-[man]
don't score him? -maybe don't score--
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Just put a nice little transition, garry,
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That kind of just spills over.
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-and then he comes up. -[marshall]
yeah.
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Something like that maybe? Yeah.
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We got the-- we got the gist of it.
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[hans zimmer]
sort of in that first conversation with the director
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I have glimpses of what it could be.
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Every project starts roughly the same way.
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Somebody comes into the room and says, "I've got this idea.
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It'll be fun to do. It'll be a fun adventure," etc.
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And they tell you the idea and you get drawn in and you get excited.
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And you're flattered that they're even considering you.
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"Whoa, me," you know. "I get to go on this ride."
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And then they leave the room and then you have a moment of reflection.
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You go, "I have no idea how to do this.
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Oh, my god."
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And then after a while you think
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Should you be phoning them and saying,
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You know, "Hey, I think you better phone john williams.
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I have no idea how to do this."
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You know, the blank page is always the blank page.
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Plus, I have no idea where music comes from.
401
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So there's always the fear that somebody's going to switch off the tap.
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[piano playing]
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[rachel portman]
this is a film called "Race."
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I've been working on it for a week, so I'm just beginning.
405
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I'm just sort of getting into my process with it.
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Where I'm thinking it should start is-- is just coming up.
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And I'm going to start with it coming in really, really quietly.
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[man in film #1]
no.
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-[man in film #2]
well, why not? -[quiet piano music]
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[man #1]
you want to win a gold medal?
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-[man #2]
sure. -[man #1]
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[quiet piano music]
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Well, I mean, unless you were planning on waiting--
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[portman]
there's a change of direction in the scene.
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And that's often a prompt for where music will come in.
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[man #1]
well, they don't care for 'em much
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Here in columbus, either.
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Is that gonna be problem?
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[man #2]
no sir.
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I just came here to run.
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[man #1]
well then, for the next 28 months,
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You're either in a classroom, or you're on that track,
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Every hour, every day.
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[orchestra music swells]
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[christophe beck]
as a composer,
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When you're sitting there watching a film,
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It's not like watching a play or real life.
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There's camera positions, there's cuts.
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It's an incredibly artificial medium in a way,
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And it's really nothing like real life.
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We have to find clever ways to introduce something familiar.
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["Close encounters of the third kind" motif plays]
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[debney]
a motif is a group of notes
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That might highlight what a film score is.
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A good example would be "Close encounters."
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[ship plays motif]
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[sings motif]
* dun, dun, dun, dun, dun
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["Close encounters" music plays]
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Beethoven was one the first composers
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To really take a theme or motif and spin it out in a huge way.
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[beethoven's "Fifth symphony" plays]
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Beethoven's "Fifth symphony,"
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[motif continues]
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The entire piece is based on that ya-ta-ta-ta rhythm.
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Simple hooks, just like a pop song.
446
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But you're then casting them in different lights.
447
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["Lord of the rings" shire theme plays]
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[howard shore]
by using motifs,
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It helps you to understand the relationships in the story.
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-[shire theme continues]
-dear bilbo.
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[shore]
when you hear a certain motif, you connect it.
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[shire theme continues]
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And it actually helped you follow the story.
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-["Lord of the rings" fellowship theme]
-nine companions.
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[beck]
by the time you get to the end of the film,
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When you play that music in its full glory,
457
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It's already familiar to the audience.
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[fellowship theme continues]
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We're kind of building things up to that main course.
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[music continues]
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[beltrami]
the director is not a huge fan
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Of strictly orchestral elements,
463
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So we're exploring.
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In here, this is buck.
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He's working on a movie now called "The gunman"
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That we're working on together.
467
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We're a little bit under the gun,
468
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And that's nerve-racking.
469
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One of the things we were working at was
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Processing these kalimbas.
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[plays kalimba]
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It's a simple african instrument.
473
00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,548
The next week we'll be here quite a bit.
474
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I'm pretty relaxed about it.
475
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[laughs]
buck's not.
476
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There's a lot of work to do.
477
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["The gunman" music plays]
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That's the kalimba you hear.
479
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He's following a mystery to find out what's happened.
480
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The music needs to have a bit of intrigue.
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["Gunman" theme music]
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I think we cracked the puzzle on this pretty quick.
483
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[burlingame]
as film grew up, in terms of the subject
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That they were tackling and what the filmmakers
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Themselves were seeking, film music itself changed.
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It became more modern in style. It embraced jazz.
487
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["A streetcar named desire" theme music plays]
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"A streetcar named desire" was alex north's first film score.
489
00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:55,262
And he comes in with a history of having written ballets
490
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And concert works in new york
491
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And tackles his first film assignment,
492
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And writes the most revolutionary score of all time.
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["A streetcar named desire" theme music continues]
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[townson]
the first film score incorporating jazz
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In the writing structure.
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00:15:17,284 --> 00:15:19,619
Jerry goldsmith said when he heard the score for the first time,
497
00:15:19,652 --> 00:15:20,954
He knew that film music had changed
498
00:15:20,988 --> 00:15:22,522
And would never be the same.
499
00:15:22,555 --> 00:15:26,359
["Pink panther" theme music plays]
500
00:15:28,728 --> 00:15:32,132
Bond. James bond.
501
00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:36,136
[richard kraft]
john barry came from his own band,
502
00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:42,509
Performing music that sounded like early james bond music.
503
00:15:42,542 --> 00:15:45,545
[the john barry seven, "Hit and miss" music plays]
504
00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:50,017
[kraft]
by the time he wrote james bond music,
505
00:15:50,050 --> 00:15:55,522
He was bringing a band sensibility to movies.
506
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,357
[james bond theme music plays]
507
00:16:08,601 --> 00:16:11,371
Thing about big band music, it was cool.
508
00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:13,006
And it swung.
509
00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:17,544
[david arnold]
felt like this was a guy who could do anything.
510
00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:25,718
You will not hear any film, which is to do with spying or secret services
511
00:16:25,752 --> 00:16:27,287
Without a reference to bond.
512
00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,057
I mean, it's become the thing to go to,
513
00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:32,659
In the same way that morricone was for spaghetti westerns.
514
00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,661
["The good, the bad and the ugly" theme music plays]
515
00:16:45,138 --> 00:16:46,639
[beck]
ennio morricone.
516
00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:48,275
He's not going to hit you with music
517
00:16:48,308 --> 00:16:50,043
That makes you go, "Whoa, what is that instrument?
518
00:16:50,077 --> 00:16:51,778
Whoa, how did he make that sound?"
519
00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:55,415
But what he will do is just kill you with a melody.
520
00:16:55,448 --> 00:16:57,517
[theme music continues]
521
00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:08,295
[doreen ringer ross]
"The good, the bad and the ugly"
522
00:17:08,328 --> 00:17:11,131
Is such an iconic piece of music.
523
00:17:11,164 --> 00:17:14,434
You know, he just took that sound of the guitar
524
00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:17,504
And just put it into that western environment.
525
00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:20,540
[theme music continues]
526
00:17:29,182 --> 00:17:32,519
[holkenborg]
that is the sound of, you know, spaghetti westerns,
527
00:17:32,552 --> 00:17:34,454
Still, 50, 60 years after the fact.
528
00:17:34,487 --> 00:17:35,822
And I think that's quite an achievement.
529
00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:39,226
By the 1960s, you had this great period,
530
00:17:39,259 --> 00:17:44,164
Where you had incredibly well-trained musicians.
531
00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:49,169
[burlingame]
bernard herrmann had come out of dramatic radio.
532
00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:53,640
And his ability to take a sound,
533
00:17:53,673 --> 00:17:58,578
And create a specific kind of unique orchestra
534
00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:02,682
That was specific to each film was groundbreaking.
535
00:18:02,715 --> 00:18:05,718
["Vertigo" theme music)
536
00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:11,191
[young]
the main title from vertigo,
537
00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:16,563
That is the textbook perfect example
538
00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:22,802
Of the score that says "Mystery, something's not right here.
539
00:18:22,835 --> 00:18:27,774
Stay away, but please come. Come running."
540
00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:32,579
[kraft]
that was different than other writers at the time.
541
00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:37,617
These are not melodic ideas. These are little phrases
542
00:18:37,650 --> 00:18:41,788
That had circular madness to them,
543
00:18:41,821 --> 00:18:46,859
That worked really well in alfred hitchcock movies.
544
00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:52,599
It felt like everything's driving forward in a sick,
545
00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:55,268
Inevitably disastrous way.
546
00:18:57,404 --> 00:18:59,606
Bernard herrmann, he had balls.
547
00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:02,875
So just to do what he did with "Psycho" in the shower scene.
548
00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:08,381
[psycho "Shower scene" theme music]
549
00:19:08,415 --> 00:19:10,417
[screams]
550
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:19,826
Without the music, it's not that scary.
551
00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:24,231
You notice the cuts, you notice the process.
552
00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:25,532
As soon as you put the music there...
553
00:19:25,565 --> 00:19:27,334
["Psycho" shower scene theme music]
554
00:19:32,605 --> 00:19:38,345
You're stuck in the mindset of this psychotic killer.
555
00:19:38,378 --> 00:19:39,879
[bates]
outside of the context of that movie,
556
00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:41,548
People probably just wonder,
557
00:19:41,581 --> 00:19:42,915
"What the hell is the noise? Turn it off."
558
00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:44,784
["Psycho" violin sound]
559
00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:46,919
But it was so effective in that moment.
560
00:19:46,953 --> 00:19:50,490
It really tricked you into believing you saw way more
561
00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:53,393
Of the violent act in that scene than really occurred.
562
00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,500
[synth pad music]
563
00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,735
[holkenborg]
when you read a book, and it says
564
00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:07,206
"There is this great forest," everybody pictures a forest.
565
00:20:08,975 --> 00:20:11,644
None of these forests will be the same.
566
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,887
It's exactly the same with music.
567
00:20:24,324 --> 00:20:27,560
You can ask 15 other composers to read that same script,
568
00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:29,396
They will all have different musical ideas.
569
00:20:31,598 --> 00:20:34,767
One of the things that I find so liberating about film music
570
00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,704
Is the fact that any instrument is valid,
571
00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:40,807
As long as it makes the movie better.
572
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,976
I have about five storage areas
573
00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:45,878
That are all filled with musical equipment.
574
00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:48,047
At a certain point, I collect enough stuff
575
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,317
That when it starts to look like a junk store,
576
00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:53,986
Then the people here do an intervention and they take everything.
577
00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:58,525
They scrape it clean, and I just start over collecting things again.
578
00:20:58,558 --> 00:21:01,594
["Rugrats" piano theme]
579
00:21:01,628 --> 00:21:03,296
It was a piano something like that.
580
00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:05,632
I bought it at a toy store at the beverly center,
581
00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:08,301
And I played the theme song for "Rugrats,"
582
00:21:08,335 --> 00:21:11,504
Because I thought I'd never need to play the toy piano again.
583
00:21:11,538 --> 00:21:13,806
It was like $60 bucks. I thought, "What a lot of money
584
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,408
To spend on a toy piano."
585
00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:19,879
["Rugrats" theme song plays]
586
00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:23,550
So I bought it, brought it to my studio, and recorded it.
587
00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:25,418
Then I took it back and got my money back.
588
00:21:25,452 --> 00:21:28,821
And now I always wonder, where is that toy piano
589
00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:31,724
That I wrote the theme song for "Rugrats" on?
590
00:21:31,758 --> 00:21:36,896
Many times I start the cue from playing other things, not the computer.
591
00:21:36,929 --> 00:21:40,367
[playing rhythm]
592
00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:51,678
These are tuned sleigh bells. They're very rare.
593
00:21:55,748 --> 00:21:58,084
There's music in everything. I'll be taking an elevator.
594
00:21:58,117 --> 00:21:59,752
You'll be in the thing and then all of a sudden
595
00:21:59,786 --> 00:22:01,988
The door will be like [whoosh].
596
00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:03,756
And you're just like, "What was that, man?
597
00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,925
That was cool, you know?" and you come back to the studio
598
00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:07,660
And try to recreate that sound.
599
00:22:07,694 --> 00:22:09,829
What would that sound like in musical form?
600
00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:14,467
So I'm always trying to distill what the world sounds like into music.
601
00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:17,604
[drumming]
602
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:25,878
[xylophone music plays]
603
00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:32,018
[hitting piano strings]
604
00:22:32,051 --> 00:22:34,821
There is no such thing as the wrong way to do something.
605
00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:36,989
You just got to keep trying, and the wrong way
606
00:22:37,023 --> 00:22:39,025
Is the wrong way, until it's the right way.
607
00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:41,961
It's a bit of a dinosaur in that it went extinct
608
00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:45,465
And gave birth to the violin, and the guitar,
609
00:22:45,498 --> 00:22:47,467
And a lot of other things. The construction's pretty simple.
610
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:51,438
You have two drones, and in this case, one melodic string.
611
00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:11,123
It's kind of suggestive looking, at least.
612
00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:21,000
They sound kind of like when a seal plays musical horns
613
00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:22,401
In a circus or something.
614
00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:28,875
[playing piano]
615
00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:57,537
I haven't played that for years.
616
00:23:57,570 --> 00:24:01,874
Now that I've got the groove, I can imagine
617
00:24:01,908 --> 00:24:05,712
Like what could be a melody on top, right?
618
00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:13,553
[vocalizing]
619
00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,243
It's a paradise.
620
00:24:37,276 --> 00:24:40,813
[rumbling]
621
00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:48,555
[holkenborg]
I try to find a general rhythm in a scene.
622
00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:55,728
"Mad max," I spent at least seven months producing the score.
623
00:24:55,762 --> 00:24:56,863
["Mad max: fury road" theme plays]
624
00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:58,965
Trying this, trying that.
625
00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,700
Different types of drums.
626
00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:03,803
[theme music continues]
627
00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:11,243
The drums that were uniquely recorded
628
00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:13,780
For "Mad max" just playing one.
629
00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:15,147
[synthesized drum beats]
630
00:25:20,152 --> 00:25:24,591
If you combine all these multiple tracks together,
631
00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:28,928
Then you can get a really, really interesting quality
632
00:25:28,961 --> 00:25:31,297
Of these drums playing together
633
00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:34,266
And they're pretty aggressive, which I'm a big fan of.
634
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:37,303
[drum beats]
635
00:25:52,619 --> 00:25:54,153
That actually makes, you know, quite a difference.
636
00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:56,188
Some directors want the music
637
00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:57,990
To constantly hit the shots.
638
00:25:58,024 --> 00:26:01,293
Other directors want really long pieces of music
639
00:26:01,327 --> 00:26:04,731
That go over multiple, multiple shots at the same time.
640
00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:07,767
["Mad max: fury road" theme music continues]
641
00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:11,938
These are things that you constantly struggle with
642
00:26:11,971 --> 00:26:14,741
When you work to picture.
643
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:17,777
[theme music continues]
644
00:26:21,247 --> 00:26:24,116
I don't care what music it is, but if I make a track,
645
00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:26,252
It has to give me goosebumps, myself.
646
00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:27,954
I don't say that to be arrogant,
647
00:26:27,987 --> 00:26:30,056
But if it doesn't hit me in the stomach
648
00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:31,791
As being a great piece of music,
649
00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:35,094
I cannot expect the audience, anybody out there,
650
00:26:35,127 --> 00:26:36,996
To have the feeling that it hits the stomach.
651
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:39,098
If it gives me goosebumps, it's pretty likely
652
00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:41,100
It'll give someone else goosebumps,
653
00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:44,804
Because I think goosebumps come for everyone from similar places.
654
00:26:44,837 --> 00:26:46,873
When we're looking at emotion,
655
00:26:46,906 --> 00:26:50,843
And other kinds of responses to music,
656
00:26:50,877 --> 00:26:53,345
There are many structures in the brain that are involved.
657
00:26:53,379 --> 00:26:58,117
Music is so multifaceted, it's so multidimensional.
658
00:26:58,150 --> 00:27:00,653
Different aspects of music are processed
659
00:27:00,687 --> 00:27:02,321
By different systems in the brain.
660
00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:03,823
So when you're looking at something,
661
00:27:03,856 --> 00:27:05,725
Like melody and pitch,
662
00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:08,861
That's processed by one system in the brain.
663
00:27:08,895 --> 00:27:12,899
When you're looking at the time-based aspects like tempo and rhythm,
664
00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:15,968
That's processed by another system.
665
00:27:16,002 --> 00:27:20,106
We are having some sort of a physiological response
666
00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,341
That the body is showing, and the goosebumps
667
00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:27,113
Is actually just a sign of what's happening inside your body.
668
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:30,349
There's a system in the brain, ventral striatum
669
00:27:30,382 --> 00:27:32,051
And nucleus accumbens, in particular,
670
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,753
It's our reward center.
671
00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:37,857
Things like chocolate or sex, these are reactions
672
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:40,392
That we can see involve these structures.
673
00:27:40,426 --> 00:27:45,097
So it's interesting because the same kinds of pleasurable feelings
674
00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:48,935
We get from chocolate, dopamine release,
675
00:27:48,968 --> 00:27:53,973
We could see some of the same kind of activations in the brain to music.
676
00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:57,343
It's the one art form that technically doesn't exist.
677
00:27:57,376 --> 00:28:00,012
You can touch musical instruments,
678
00:28:00,046 --> 00:28:05,417
You can touch cds or cassettes or vinyl that contain the music,
679
00:28:05,451 --> 00:28:08,454
But you can never actually put your finger on music.
680
00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:11,357
It's just air moving a little bit differently.
681
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:15,928
All music is doing is providing some structure to these air molecules.
682
00:28:15,962 --> 00:28:18,865
So if a truck goes by,
683
00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:22,802
It's pushing air molecules against our inner ear.
684
00:28:22,835 --> 00:28:24,904
If someone's playing cello,
685
00:28:24,937 --> 00:28:27,740
It's pushing the exact same air molecules against our ear,
686
00:28:27,774 --> 00:28:30,076
Just in a different, structured way.
687
00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:32,311
And there's something odd
688
00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:34,380
But really, really interesting and powerful about that.
689
00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:38,818
But they'll never take our freedom!
690
00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:41,420
[moby]
it makes armies march into battle.
691
00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:43,255
["Braveheart" theme music plays]
692
00:28:43,289 --> 00:28:45,257
It makes people cry.
693
00:28:45,291 --> 00:28:48,995
["Schindler's list" theme music plays]
694
00:28:49,028 --> 00:28:52,431
[bates]
it can really increase the overall emotion
695
00:28:52,464 --> 00:28:56,002
In a way that will make a movie stay with its audience
696
00:28:56,035 --> 00:28:58,270
Long after the last frame of film.
697
00:28:58,304 --> 00:28:59,839
We are doing something here.
698
00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:02,875
We're harnessing something from the ether.
699
00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:06,979
Film music, and orchestral music in general,
700
00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:09,548
Is of great interest to neuroscientists
701
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,986
And to scientists because of its great power to emote.
702
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:16,055
Film music is usually something that
703
00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:18,891
We're not paying conscious attention to,
704
00:29:18,925 --> 00:29:21,861
And yet it has such a powerful impact on us.
705
00:29:21,894 --> 00:29:24,196
[rabin]
"Remember the titans," the music for me
706
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:27,800
Was written so specifically for that.
707
00:29:27,834 --> 00:29:30,069
["Remember the titans" theme music plays]
708
00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:32,271
It's very interesting about using music in film,
709
00:29:32,304 --> 00:29:37,176
It's providing a very specific context for the music.
710
00:29:37,209 --> 00:29:40,279
There is a permanent linkage, so when you hear it again,
711
00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:42,448
The experiences you had in the theatre are evoked.
712
00:29:42,481 --> 00:29:45,551
I never even thought about whether it could be used elsewhere.
713
00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:48,120
Thank you. God bless you
714
00:29:48,154 --> 00:29:51,991
And may god bless the united states of america.
715
00:29:52,024 --> 00:29:55,394
["Remember the titans" theme music plays]
716
00:29:55,427 --> 00:29:57,229
The phone rang.
717
00:29:57,263 --> 00:30:00,900
A friend of mine said, "I'm at the convention.
718
00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:05,938
'remember the titans' is playing as loud as a kiss concert."
719
00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:09,508
[theme music continues]
720
00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:11,543
I wasn't asked, which I'm not happy about,
721
00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:33,158
That you were not mistaken,
722
00:46:33,191 --> 00:46:37,062
That you had just played something that was going to almost live eternally.
723
00:46:37,095 --> 00:46:40,098
[steve erdody]
almost anything we do with john williams is...
724
00:46:40,131 --> 00:46:43,168
We know it's going to be unbelievable.
725
00:46:43,201 --> 00:46:45,436
We always leave the sessions like feeling,
726
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:48,439
"Why can't all the sessions be like this?"
727
00:47:00,886 --> 00:47:05,090
["Jurassic park" theme ends]
728
00:47:07,558 --> 00:47:09,895
[david arnold]
a lot of the time you'll pick a studio
729
00:47:09,928 --> 00:47:12,530
Because it's appropriate to the sort of sound that you want to make.
730
00:47:15,233 --> 00:47:19,104
It used to be a church, obviously.
731
00:47:19,137 --> 00:47:21,873
It's a building that's been here for a couple hundred years.
732
00:47:21,907 --> 00:47:27,212
You know, it's a church, and I suppose everyone thinks that all churches are haunted somehow.
733
00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:32,617
We have had engineers who've been in here who've just seen that happen.
734
00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:35,520
You know, chairs just start spinning around.
735
00:47:35,553 --> 00:47:37,923
[chair creaks]
736
00:47:37,956 --> 00:47:40,291
It would be a great way to excuse yourself, wouldn't it?
737
00:47:40,325 --> 00:47:42,093
If you've made a terrible mistake.
738
00:47:42,127 --> 00:47:44,295
"It was the ghost that did that." but no, you know,
739
00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:48,233
All the terrible things that happen here are always based on people.
740
00:47:48,266 --> 00:47:50,235
Usually me.
741
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,475
I've sort of lived in this building since about 1994.
742
00:47:57,508 --> 00:48:00,078
-[arnold]
morning. -[woman]
743
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:06,651
[arnold]
it was pretty derelict when george martin in the late '80s
744
00:48:06,684 --> 00:48:09,254
Sort of came upon it and decided this would be the place
745
00:48:09,287 --> 00:48:11,422
To convert into a studio.
746
00:48:14,625 --> 00:48:18,429
If you've ever been in a small room with a gang of people and shouted a lot,
747
00:48:18,463 --> 00:48:20,932
It sort of chokes the room out.
748
00:48:20,966 --> 00:48:22,433
You know, so you can't really hear anything
749
00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:24,535
Because the sound has got nowhere to go
750
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,571
So everything piles in on itself?
751
00:48:26,604 --> 00:48:28,673
That's the same in an acoustic space.
752
00:48:28,706 --> 00:48:31,676
If we have 110 people in a room,
753
00:48:31,709 --> 00:48:34,012
We've got this moveable roof panel.
754
00:48:34,045 --> 00:48:37,648
You lift the roof up and it gives you an extra second and a half of reverb
755
00:48:37,682 --> 00:48:40,351
And so, you know, the sound can sort of swim around
756
00:48:40,385 --> 00:48:43,688
This gorgeous space with all these amazing reflective surfaces.
757
00:48:46,724 --> 00:48:50,095
[playing "Casino royale" theme]
758
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,337
We use up to 100 mics on a session.
759
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:36,007
That all gives you the choice as to how close or how far away
760
00:49:36,041 --> 00:49:38,109
You want to feel from the music.
761
00:49:38,143 --> 00:49:41,446
It's a very different acoustic to abbey road.
762
00:50:12,177 --> 00:50:14,045
[joe kraemer]
86 players total today.
763
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,813
So it's a good size orchestra.
764
00:50:15,846 --> 00:50:17,682
We're here in abbey road studio number one,
765
00:50:17,715 --> 00:50:19,350
Which is the big orchestral room at abbey road.
766
00:50:19,384 --> 00:50:20,651
Check, check, one, two, three, test.
767
00:50:20,685 --> 00:50:23,088
Check, one, two, three.
768
00:50:23,121 --> 00:50:26,491
There doesn't appear to be a great deal of absorbent material on the walls,
769
00:50:26,524 --> 00:50:28,626
So it still has a bit of a live sound to it.
770
00:50:28,659 --> 00:50:29,827
When the orchestra cuts off
771
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:32,197
You get a really great bit of reverb.
772
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:35,666
[orchestra ends cue]
773
00:50:39,337 --> 00:50:41,572
The beatles recorded their orchestral stuff in here,
774
00:50:41,606 --> 00:50:44,842
And then in the '80s it became frequently used for film scores,
775
00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:47,612
So "Return of the jedi" was mostly recorded here.
776
00:50:47,645 --> 00:50:50,081
[williams]
chorus people, thank you for coming.
777
00:50:50,115 --> 00:50:53,118
Welcome to this process of making "Star wars."
778
00:50:53,151 --> 00:50:55,220
[kraemer]
the "Star wars" prequels were recorded here.
779
00:50:55,253 --> 00:50:56,687
Just winds, please. 33.
780
00:50:56,721 --> 00:50:58,389
One, two, three.
781
00:50:58,423 --> 00:51:02,059
[woodwinds playing "Star wars: the phantom menace"]
782
00:51:05,696 --> 00:51:08,566
The first three "Lord of the rings" movies were recorded here.
783
00:51:15,506 --> 00:51:18,109
I know when williams did like his films here,
784
00:51:18,143 --> 00:51:19,777
He tended to set up over here
785
00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:22,713
And throw this way, the long way.
786
00:51:22,747 --> 00:51:25,850
So that the choir from like "Duel of the fates" was up against that wall.
787
00:51:25,883 --> 00:51:30,121
[singing "Duel of the fates"]
788
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:42,633
Our sound engineer on this film,
789
00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:44,669
He asked for this layout,
790
00:51:44,702 --> 00:51:47,672
Because he prefers it in terms of getting the sound that he wants.
791
00:51:47,705 --> 00:51:52,477
[playing "Mission impossible: rogue nation" theme]
792
00:51:56,247 --> 00:51:58,316
When you're a film composer,
793
00:51:58,349 --> 00:52:01,286
Part of the gig is you're giving the director and the producers
794
00:52:01,319 --> 00:52:02,820
The music they want.
795
00:52:02,853 --> 00:52:04,622
But at the end of the day, if they don't like it,
796
00:52:04,655 --> 00:52:06,524
It's not in the movie.
797
00:52:06,557 --> 00:52:09,327
My crew in the mixing room consists of the engineer,
798
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,829
Who in this case is a guy named casey stone.
799
00:52:11,862 --> 00:52:15,633
He's sitting behind the board and he's operating all the faders.
800
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:21,539
He's the one who set up all the microphones in here,
801
00:52:21,572 --> 00:52:24,409
Laid out the plan for how we were going to record everything.
802
00:52:27,245 --> 00:52:29,814
Next to him is a gentleman named louis,
803
00:52:29,847 --> 00:52:32,317
And louis is operating the pro tools,
804
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:35,520
So he's controlling the clicks that I hear in my headphones,
805
00:52:35,553 --> 00:52:37,655
And that all the musicians hear in their headphones.
806
00:52:37,688 --> 00:52:40,925
[click track playing]
807
00:52:40,958 --> 00:52:44,161
[music begins]
808
00:52:48,299 --> 00:52:50,435
And then he's also recording all the takes,
809
00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:52,670
Making sure they're all labeled correctly.
810
00:52:57,242 --> 00:52:58,909
There's a gentleman named john finklea,
811
00:52:58,943 --> 00:53:00,478
He's the music editor.
812
00:53:02,313 --> 00:53:04,715
He is the person who will take all the takes
813
00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:07,685
And assemble not only the version that we use in the film,
814
00:53:07,718 --> 00:53:11,289
But also the version that we end up making the soundtrack album from.
815
00:53:11,322 --> 00:53:13,324
[music continues]
816
00:53:21,266 --> 00:53:23,268
Next to him is the orchestrator,
817
00:53:23,301 --> 00:53:25,670
Who in this film is matt dunkley.
818
00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:29,707
I do all my writing in a computer.
819
00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:34,745
The orchestrator takes that file and converts it into an orchestral score,
820
00:53:35,946 --> 00:53:37,815
A score that I can conduct from,
821
00:53:40,651 --> 00:53:43,888
And from which parts can be generated and given to all the musicians.
822
00:53:46,991 --> 00:53:48,826
And they don't have to see all the other parts.
823
00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:53,431
[music ends]
824
00:53:59,837 --> 00:54:03,574
Great. Really, really.
825
00:54:03,608 --> 00:54:05,810
[kraemer]
moving on?
826
00:54:05,843 --> 00:54:08,479
Yeah. Ready?
827
00:54:08,513 --> 00:54:12,817
Different cities, different influences, different rooms.
828
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:15,986
In london, usually they play with a gentle sound.
829
00:54:20,858 --> 00:54:23,428
In los angeles, they play with a stronger sound.
830
00:54:28,566 --> 00:54:30,368
[pereira]
I do work very hard.
831
00:54:30,401 --> 00:54:34,505
You know, and I have a team that also works hard with me.
832
00:54:36,073 --> 00:54:38,643
It takes a lot to get to this point.
833
00:54:40,044 --> 00:54:42,780
[orchestra rehearsing in slow tempo]
834
00:54:46,083 --> 00:54:49,854
It really is like your life story,
835
00:54:49,887 --> 00:54:53,924
Using the picture as a vehicle
836
00:54:53,958 --> 00:54:56,761
To show the human that you are.
837
00:54:56,794 --> 00:54:59,630
[orchestra playing at full speed]
838
00:55:13,043 --> 00:55:15,112
That was amazing.
839
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:20,050
[burlingame]
conducting a score is something that everybody used to do.
840
00:55:20,084 --> 00:55:23,020
It's not so much that the composer doesn't have the chops
841
00:55:23,053 --> 00:55:25,523
To go out there and conduct an orchestra, many of them do.
842
00:55:25,556 --> 00:55:29,527
But it's often more important for them to be in the booth,
843
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,129
Listening to what the orchestra is playing,
844
00:55:32,162 --> 00:55:34,098
And sitting right there with the director
845
00:55:34,131 --> 00:55:38,135
To know how the director's feeling about what he's hearing.
846
00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:40,605
[music plays]
847
00:55:44,074 --> 00:55:45,443
Let it play.
848
00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:56,053
[harry gregson-williams]
if you speak to john powell, or hans zimmer,
849
00:55:56,086 --> 00:55:59,690
They'll say they prefer to be in the control room, not conducting,
850
00:55:59,724 --> 00:56:02,493
Because that's where everything's fed through, they have more control.
851
00:56:02,527 --> 00:56:04,429
I mean, basically, we're all going after the same thing.
852
00:56:04,462 --> 00:56:05,763
We want the best result,
853
00:56:05,796 --> 00:56:09,634
The best performance for the film.
854
00:56:09,667 --> 00:56:11,902
[debney]
a lot of composers like to be in the booth,
855
00:56:11,936 --> 00:56:14,905
So that they can be closer to the director.
856
00:56:14,939 --> 00:56:17,608
But I personally feel I get the best performance
857
00:56:17,642 --> 00:56:20,878
When I'm conducting my own music.
858
00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:22,813
[contractor]
good morning!
859
00:56:22,847 --> 00:56:25,683
This is a film for paramount. It's lots of fun.
860
00:56:25,716 --> 00:56:28,653
John has done a great, oh my god, what a score.
861
00:56:28,686 --> 00:56:32,457
So without further ado, our composer and conductor,
862
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:33,524
John debney.
863
00:56:33,558 --> 00:56:37,127
[applause]
864
00:56:37,161 --> 00:56:38,629
[debney]
good morning.
865
00:56:38,663 --> 00:56:42,967
We're gonna start out with 5m1v3.
866
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,603
Let's make some sound.
867
00:56:45,636 --> 00:56:48,673
One, two. Two.
868
00:56:50,074 --> 00:56:52,176
[music begins]
869
00:57:37,755 --> 00:57:39,624
Good read. Good read.
870
00:57:39,657 --> 00:57:42,693
[bear mccreary]
sight-reading musicians, the studio musicians,
871
00:57:42,727 --> 00:57:44,261
Really are an incredible breed.
872
00:57:44,294 --> 00:57:46,531
Producers or filmmakers, they say,
873
00:57:46,564 --> 00:57:48,966
"Well, how many days do they have to rehearse this?"
874
00:57:48,999 --> 00:57:52,870
And I say, "None. That was it. They never saw it before."
875
00:57:52,903 --> 00:57:55,540
And they go, "What? What?"
876
00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:58,175
There's a technique to being able to sight-read,
877
00:57:58,208 --> 00:58:00,978
To being able to congeal as a section,
878
00:58:01,011 --> 00:58:02,980
As a studio sight-reading orchestra.
879
00:58:03,013 --> 00:58:05,182
[debney]
24, we are faster right away.
880
00:58:05,215 --> 00:58:06,751
[conrad pope]
when you're writing music,
881
00:58:06,784 --> 00:58:09,019
You're writing a letter to the performers.
882
00:58:09,053 --> 00:58:12,557
You're giving them a set of instructions on what they're supposed to do.
883
00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:14,759
And if you do it right, then it should be a love letter.
884
00:58:14,792 --> 00:58:16,627
And it... You should show again,
885
00:58:16,661 --> 00:58:19,564
"I know your instrument. I know who you are."
886
00:58:19,597 --> 00:58:23,701
You have many, many players trying to play the same note,
887
00:58:23,734 --> 00:58:25,169
But no one can.
888
00:58:25,202 --> 00:58:28,806
Everyone is off by microns of a percentage,
889
00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:31,742
Which gives it that chorusing effect.
890
00:58:34,612 --> 00:58:38,583
If everything was consonant and perfect,
891
00:58:38,616 --> 00:58:42,787
Um... Music would-- it would be terrible.
892
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:46,724
I mean, it would be like putting auto-tune on etta james.
893
00:58:46,757 --> 00:58:50,661
You know, it just would take all the soul out of it.
894
00:58:50,695 --> 00:58:53,764
And honestly that's why we have--
895
00:58:53,798 --> 00:58:55,099
Why orchestras sound beautiful.
896
00:58:55,132 --> 00:58:56,801
[debney]
if there's ever a time
897
00:58:56,834 --> 00:58:59,136
Where I'm not able to get on a scoring stage
898
00:58:59,169 --> 00:59:04,141
And work with 90 musicians, I'll probably do something else.
899
00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:09,113
Working with the live musicians, that's what I live for.
900
00:59:09,146 --> 00:59:12,883
[music begins]
901
00:59:27,698 --> 00:59:29,233
Standing on the podium,
902
00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:32,202
And giving a downbeat to a piece of music
903
00:59:32,236 --> 00:59:34,571
That you've spent a long time crafting.
904
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,242
And hearing it for the first time,
905
00:59:38,275 --> 00:59:41,211
I guess it's like seeing your child for the first time being born.
906
00:59:41,245 --> 00:59:44,248
[music swells]
907
00:59:47,184 --> 00:59:52,757
The joy, the emotion of what that is,
908
00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:54,925
It's really everything to me.
909
00:59:54,959 --> 00:59:58,963
[music ends]
910
01:00:00,164 --> 01:00:01,866
Pretty darn good take.
911
01:00:01,899 --> 01:00:03,934
That's the real power of the orchestra
912
01:00:03,968 --> 01:00:05,670
And I think that's why--
913
01:00:05,703 --> 01:00:07,872
That's why I think it'll never disappear.
914
01:00:07,905 --> 01:00:10,641
Certainly it's been transformed and will continue to be transformed,
915
01:00:10,675 --> 01:00:12,810
But I think at the heart, um...
916
01:00:12,843 --> 01:00:14,945
It's kinda the most human element
917
01:00:14,979 --> 01:00:16,914
And the most emotional element we have.
918
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:19,149
[kraemer]
let's go from 20 to the end of 48.
919
01:00:19,183 --> 01:00:20,918
This film has a lot of music.
920
01:00:20,951 --> 01:00:23,420
It's an action film, it's a tentpole movie,
921
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:26,223
So they tend to be more wall-to-wall.
922
01:00:26,256 --> 01:00:28,893
You know, "Jack reacher" had about 60 minutes of music.
923
01:00:28,926 --> 01:00:30,895
This has about 110.
924
01:00:30,928 --> 01:00:32,730
[trevor rabin]
you do see the billboards up
925
01:00:32,763 --> 01:00:35,199
Before you're finished doing the film.
926
01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:36,867
You drive past it thinking,
927
01:00:36,901 --> 01:00:39,303
"But the music's not written yet."
928
01:00:39,336 --> 01:00:43,307
The scary thing is going down to the subway in new york
929
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:46,811
And I'm halfway done and seeing your name on the poster,
930
01:00:46,844 --> 01:00:48,846
And saying, "Oh god," you know,
931
01:00:48,879 --> 01:00:53,217
It's-- I have a long way to go in two and a half weeks."
932
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:56,186
The more expensive the movies get,
933
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:57,688
They do let you know this.
934
01:00:57,722 --> 01:01:01,826
You know, the... The occasional, you know,
935
01:01:01,859 --> 01:01:04,128
Hint gets dropped by the studio
936
01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:09,133
That you know, everything is riding on this and you better, you know, whatever.
937
01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:11,468
So this is not necessarily inspirational,
938
01:01:11,501 --> 01:01:13,470
It's just terrifying.
939
01:01:13,503 --> 01:01:16,173
[mitchell leib]
the complexity of putting these things together
940
01:01:16,206 --> 01:01:19,076
Is immense now, and the pressure is immense.
941
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,878
Our studio?
942
01:01:20,911 --> 01:01:24,381
We're rolling close to a half a billion dollar roll
943
01:01:24,414 --> 01:01:26,717
Every time we take out a single movie.
944
01:01:26,751 --> 01:01:28,886
Do you know how much you have to make?
945
01:01:28,919 --> 01:01:32,957
Every movie that you're making has to be in the top 20 of all-time box office.
946
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:34,792
It's insane.
947
01:01:34,825 --> 01:01:38,362
I just think the complexity of the business overall has--
948
01:01:38,395 --> 01:01:41,131
Has brought a complexity to the art form.
949
01:01:41,165 --> 01:01:43,233
On the movie "Armageddon," which I did,
950
01:01:43,267 --> 01:01:46,771
I literally got a clock from jerry bruckheimer
951
01:01:46,804 --> 01:01:51,876
With a countdown clock, counting down to the day we finish,
952
01:01:51,909 --> 01:01:55,045
And that was in front of me at all times.
953
01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:57,982
Deadlines can be terrifying.
954
01:01:58,015 --> 01:02:00,284
[kraemer]
the schedule on this film is so accelerated,
955
01:02:00,317 --> 01:02:02,853
It's on a whole other level of professionality.
956
01:02:02,887 --> 01:02:04,321
It's been about six hours so far,
957
01:02:04,354 --> 01:02:05,990
We've got another three hours to go.
958
01:02:06,023 --> 01:02:07,024
[muttering]
so guess what,
959
01:02:07,057 --> 01:02:09,794
Six clicks into bar 29.
960
01:02:09,827 --> 01:02:11,495
Yeah, you should go up a half step, I think.
961
01:02:11,528 --> 01:02:13,898
This kind of situation is so expensive,
962
01:02:13,931 --> 01:02:15,800
And so hard to organize.
963
01:02:15,833 --> 01:02:17,968
But there's always more than one way to solve a problem.
964
01:02:18,002 --> 01:02:20,805
[music starts]
965
01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:25,943
And you can solve this problem by changing the music at this cut,
966
01:02:25,976 --> 01:02:28,312
Or you can solve it by changing the music at that cut.
967
01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:35,185
[music ends]
968
01:02:37,187 --> 01:02:38,188
Great.
969
01:02:39,957 --> 01:02:41,859
[burlingame]
as filmmaking styles have changed,
970
01:02:41,892 --> 01:02:43,794
Film music itself has changed.
971
01:02:43,828 --> 01:02:46,997
And as filmmakers have realized that, over the decades,
972
01:02:47,031 --> 01:02:48,432
Um, they've asked for different things
973
01:02:48,465 --> 01:02:49,967
And gotten different things.
974
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,969
What happened in 1978-79?
975
01:02:52,002 --> 01:02:54,004
Somebody flipped on a synthesizer.
976
01:02:55,906 --> 01:03:00,010
When the synth came in, actually, punk also happened.
977
01:03:00,044 --> 01:03:01,879
And you have this incredible new
978
01:03:01,912 --> 01:03:04,481
Extroverted musical intelligence going on.
979
01:03:04,514 --> 01:03:06,150
* from my heart and from my hand *
980
01:03:06,183 --> 01:03:07,818
* why don't people understand *
981
01:03:07,852 --> 01:03:10,120
* my intentions
982
01:03:11,588 --> 01:03:13,290
* ooh, weird
983
01:03:14,925 --> 01:03:17,294
* ooh ooh ooh ooh, weird science *
984
01:03:17,327 --> 01:03:20,164
Danny elfman. He was a performer.
985
01:03:20,197 --> 01:03:22,099
You know, tim burton, one day he gets to make a movie.
986
01:03:22,132 --> 01:03:23,300
Who's he going to have score it?
987
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:24,935
Hey, how about his favorite band?
988
01:03:24,969 --> 01:03:27,237
Yeah, love oingo boingo. Who's in oingo boingo?
989
01:03:27,271 --> 01:03:29,039
Who's really the principal songwriter?
990
01:03:29,073 --> 01:03:31,275
Who's really doing-- oh, it's this guy danny elfman.
991
01:03:31,308 --> 01:03:33,443
-bingo-bango! -* weird science
992
01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:38,115
I was starting to write weird but elaborate compositions.
993
01:03:38,148 --> 01:03:41,952
I wrote this thing called "The oingo boingo piano concerto no. 1 and a half."
994
01:03:41,986 --> 01:03:45,355
Without having written that, I never would have taken "Pee wee's big adventure."
995
01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:48,825
["Pee wee's big adventure" music plays]
996
01:03:54,331 --> 01:03:57,434
[lurie]
since he was a kid, more or less,
997
01:03:57,467 --> 01:04:02,206
Just a really curious person who's been amusing himself, you know?
998
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,609
At first it was, you know, just the antics of oingo boingo,
999
01:04:05,642 --> 01:04:07,945
And then the whole tim burton, pee wee.
1000
01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:12,282
[kraft]
there's nothing bland about danny.
1001
01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:13,550
Thanks a lot, crew.
1002
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,522
[kraft]
danny is the composer
1003
01:04:18,555 --> 01:04:21,491
Who grabs you by the collar during the main title of the movie and says,
1004
01:04:21,525 --> 01:04:25,896
"I'm about to take you into a world, and here's what's it's about."
1005
01:04:25,930 --> 01:04:31,268
["Edward scissorhands" music plays]
1006
01:04:31,301 --> 01:04:33,403
Danny's biggest strength is
1007
01:04:33,437 --> 01:04:38,909
I think he comes up with the most amazing little short musical ideas
1008
01:04:38,943 --> 01:04:41,078
That then become big musical ideas.
1009
01:04:41,111 --> 01:04:44,048
When he fully, like, exploded with "Batman,"
1010
01:04:44,081 --> 01:04:46,050
Everyone's mind was blown.
1011
01:04:46,083 --> 01:04:48,652
"Batman," there was only one template: john williams,
1012
01:04:48,685 --> 01:04:51,055
And we didn't wanna do that.
1013
01:04:51,088 --> 01:04:53,557
Again, I had nothing to go on.
1014
01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:56,626
There was no model of what kind of chords,
1015
01:04:56,660 --> 01:05:01,298
How you do, like, a darker score that's still fun and has energy.
1016
01:05:01,331 --> 01:05:06,636
["Batman" main theme plays]
1017
01:05:06,670 --> 01:05:11,575
And I realized what I tried to learn from bernard herrmann years earlier,
1018
01:05:11,608 --> 01:05:16,380
Which is, there is only one rule.
1019
01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:17,414
There are no rules.
1020
01:05:21,518 --> 01:05:22,486
["Batman" main theme plays]
1021
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:24,688
Boo! [laughs]
1022
01:05:24,721 --> 01:05:27,924
[theme music continues]
1023
01:05:31,161 --> 01:05:33,697
He can broach the big, orchestral world
1024
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:36,200
With the very uber contemporary world,
1025
01:05:36,233 --> 01:05:38,068
And he does it really seamlessly.
1026
01:05:38,102 --> 01:05:41,571
And you can hear his sound, his personality.
1027
01:05:43,507 --> 01:05:47,244
["Shawshank redemption" music plays]
1028
01:05:58,122 --> 01:06:01,358
Thomas newman is one of those composers
1029
01:06:01,391 --> 01:06:05,095
That it's very difficult to sort of describe what the sound is.
1030
01:06:05,129 --> 01:06:09,533
Like danny elfman, thomas has developed his own sound.
1031
01:06:09,566 --> 01:06:14,538
["Shawshank redemption" music plays]
1032
01:06:19,343 --> 01:06:21,111
[ewart]
the first score I worked with him on
1033
01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:23,280
Was "Shawshank redemption."
1034
01:06:23,313 --> 01:06:28,652
His music is extremely edgy and unique and he has an unmistakable mark,
1035
01:06:28,685 --> 01:06:31,255
It's like a watermark on anything that he does.
1036
01:06:31,288 --> 01:06:35,092
[music swells]
1037
01:06:38,695 --> 01:06:42,766
That's a lasting piece of art, "Shawshank."
1038
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:44,401
[music ends]
1039
01:06:48,372 --> 01:06:50,774
["American beauty" music starts]
1040
01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:56,213
[kevin spacey]
my name is lester burnham.
1041
01:06:56,246 --> 01:06:58,048
[maltin]
when I saw american beauty,
1042
01:06:58,082 --> 01:07:01,718
And I heard thomas newman's first notes
1043
01:07:01,751 --> 01:07:05,789
In the first frames of the movie-- I think it's a marimba that you hear.
1044
01:07:05,822 --> 01:07:09,293
It absolutely sets the tone of the film,
1045
01:07:09,326 --> 01:07:11,061
Puts you a little off balance,
1046
01:07:11,095 --> 01:07:14,231
Lets you know that you're in for a somewhat odd,
1047
01:07:14,264 --> 01:07:18,602
Offbeat take on american life.
1048
01:07:18,635 --> 01:07:22,739
[theme music continues]
1049
01:07:29,846 --> 01:07:31,615
The great thing about thomas newman
1050
01:07:31,648 --> 01:07:35,285
Is he's managed to capture a way of doing uncertainty,
1051
01:07:35,319 --> 01:07:39,089
So it's never-- it's never too committed,
1052
01:07:39,123 --> 01:07:43,727
But it's musically kind of got this great character to it.
1053
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,330
[j.A.C. Redford]
he will generally, in a cue,
1054
01:07:46,363 --> 01:07:49,166
He'll establish a key center.
1055
01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:53,137
Things will start to weave in and out around that, around that baseline.
1056
01:07:53,170 --> 01:07:57,341
["American beauty" "Plastic bag" music plays]
1057
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:09,886
That creates a kind of a texture that lives behind the orchestra.
1058
01:08:09,919 --> 01:08:13,823
When the orchestra comes in, it becomes part of that texture.
1059
01:08:29,606 --> 01:08:32,409
Well, that particular language just didn't exist.
1060
01:08:32,442 --> 01:08:35,912
It was-- came out of thomas newman's brain.
1061
01:08:35,945 --> 01:08:37,481
[burlingame]
thomas newman is alfred newman's
1062
01:08:37,514 --> 01:08:38,682
Youngest son.
1063
01:08:38,715 --> 01:08:40,517
Yes, he is orchestrally trained
1064
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:42,886
And he can write a great orchestral score,
1065
01:08:42,919 --> 01:08:44,821
But sometimes the movies he was working on
1066
01:08:44,854 --> 01:08:46,190
Required something more intimate.
1067
01:08:46,223 --> 01:08:49,226
["Finding nemo" theme music plays]
1068
01:08:55,699 --> 01:08:58,735
A lot ot times you can get a mood,
1069
01:08:58,768 --> 01:09:03,473
A prevailing mood and just slap it onto an image
1070
01:09:03,507 --> 01:09:05,842
And let it sit for two minutes.
1071
01:09:05,875 --> 01:09:09,613
[theme music continues]
1072
01:09:09,646 --> 01:09:12,682
Everybody rips it off. Everybody.
1073
01:09:12,716 --> 01:09:14,684
And they don't realize. They don't realize.
1074
01:09:14,718 --> 01:09:16,786
They're thinking "This is film music, this is how I do film music.
1075
01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:18,388
This is how I do that thing."
1076
01:09:18,422 --> 01:09:21,425
[theme music continues]
1077
01:09:30,934 --> 01:09:33,737
And of course it's been imitated and copied,
1078
01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:35,272
But he was...
1079
01:09:35,305 --> 01:09:37,574
He was there at that moment
1080
01:09:37,607 --> 01:09:39,376
To introduce something new.
1081
01:09:40,877 --> 01:09:43,213
It's so difficult to sit down
1082
01:09:43,247 --> 01:09:48,952
And do that cold emotive solo piano thing
1083
01:09:48,985 --> 01:09:50,520
'cause he's perfected it.
1084
01:09:59,796 --> 01:10:01,798
[leib]
mtv is going on the air.
1085
01:10:01,831 --> 01:10:03,633
What video are they first gonna play?
1086
01:10:03,667 --> 01:10:06,303
A song called, "Video killed the radio star"?
1087
01:10:06,336 --> 01:10:09,573
* video killed the radio star *
1088
01:10:09,606 --> 01:10:11,408
* video killed the radio star *
1089
01:10:11,441 --> 01:10:13,677
If you look closely, you can see hans zimmer in the background.
1090
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:17,247
* video killed the radio star *
1091
01:10:17,281 --> 01:10:19,783
* video killed the radio star *
1092
01:10:19,816 --> 01:10:25,555
Hans brought an unconventional rock swagger, okay,
1093
01:10:25,589 --> 01:10:27,957
[laughs]
to film scoring.
1094
01:10:27,991 --> 01:10:30,994
["Gladiator" theme music plays]
1095
01:10:38,635 --> 01:10:40,537
[broucek]
there's a brutality about the way
1096
01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:44,441
That the orchestra plays. There's a violence, if you will.
1097
01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:45,475
An aggression.
1098
01:10:52,849 --> 01:10:55,785
There's an intensity about it, an intensity about how it's written,
1099
01:10:55,819 --> 01:10:57,821
An intensity about how it's played.
1100
01:10:57,854 --> 01:10:59,889
["Gladiator" "Now you are free" begins]
1101
01:10:59,923 --> 01:11:04,060
The single female voice of lisa gerard in that film,
1102
01:11:04,093 --> 01:11:07,263
On top of the visceral power of the orchestra...
1103
01:11:11,368 --> 01:11:14,438
Really had an impact on the audience.
1104
01:11:14,471 --> 01:11:19,042
I will see you again.
1105
01:11:19,075 --> 01:11:22,346
But not yet. Not yet.
1106
01:11:22,379 --> 01:11:26,816
[lisa gerard vocalizing]
1107
01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:30,620
We had this idea. It had to be a woman's voice.
1108
01:11:30,654 --> 01:11:33,657
[vocalizing continues]
1109
01:11:35,725 --> 01:11:38,728
Why do you want a woman's voice in a gladiator movie?
1110
01:11:38,762 --> 01:11:43,099
The next day we came in, and there was that hand on the wheat field.
1111
01:11:43,132 --> 01:11:46,503
And that shot holds for a minute.
1112
01:11:46,536 --> 01:11:48,004
If you have written that in the script
1113
01:11:48,037 --> 01:11:51,575
It wouldn't have even made it to being shot.
1114
01:11:51,608 --> 01:11:54,077
Why would you hold your hand on the wheat field?
1115
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:57,647
The only way that shot can work was because of the music,
1116
01:11:57,681 --> 01:11:59,416
Because of lisa's voice.
1117
01:11:59,449 --> 01:12:01,785
But it sort of gave license for the rest of the movie
1118
01:12:01,818 --> 01:12:03,553
To be a little bit more poetic
1119
01:12:03,587 --> 01:12:05,455
And to be a little bit more expansive.
1120
01:12:05,489 --> 01:12:08,091
[lemone]
it really, I think, elevated the whole experience,
1121
01:12:08,124 --> 01:12:13,096
And it shaped the sound of hollywood for years afterwards.
1122
01:12:13,129 --> 01:12:14,831
Now we're in the hans zimmer era.
1123
01:12:14,864 --> 01:12:17,367
It just looms over everything.
1124
01:12:19,969 --> 01:12:21,971
[debney]
this is why he's a revolutionary.
1125
01:12:22,005 --> 01:12:26,376
Hans took the string section and made them like a guitar.
1126
01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:27,611
They're playing rhythm.
1127
01:12:27,644 --> 01:12:30,980
[imitates string section]
1128
01:12:31,014 --> 01:12:33,817
And that's a really interesting thing.
1129
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:36,520
I don't think anybody had really done that.
1130
01:12:36,553 --> 01:12:39,556
["Pirates of the caribbean" theme music plays]
1131
01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:53,870
"Pirates." it's like led zeppelin.
1132
01:12:53,903 --> 01:12:56,806
It's like freaking led zeppelin played by an orchestra.
1133
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,009
[theme music continues]
1134
01:13:07,551 --> 01:13:10,787
What hans has certainly done on "Dark knight"
1135
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:12,522
Is obviously blur this line
1136
01:13:12,556 --> 01:13:15,191
Between this giant symphonic sound and electronics
1137
01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:20,764
And you're not quite sure where one ends and the other begins.
1138
01:13:20,797 --> 01:13:23,500
The sort of light, repetitive string ostinatos.
1139
01:13:23,533 --> 01:13:24,834
You hear that so often.
1140
01:13:24,868 --> 01:13:27,704
["The dark knight" main theme]
1141
01:13:34,143 --> 01:13:37,514
It's just all about this constant pulse going on.
1142
01:13:44,954 --> 01:13:46,990
[debney]
terribly powerful.
1143
01:13:48,858 --> 01:13:50,627
Terribly exciting.
1144
01:13:55,031 --> 01:13:59,803
[kraft]
hans zimmer is still- he's a legend and still
1145
01:13:59,836 --> 01:14:01,638
Becoming more legendary.
1146
01:14:01,671 --> 01:14:05,509
["Inception" theme music plays]
1147
01:14:05,542 --> 01:14:08,645
[broucek]
the end of "Inception," it's like a new morning.
1148
01:14:17,887 --> 01:14:20,490
When he gets home, he's going to be reunited with his family
1149
01:14:20,524 --> 01:14:22,158
For real, in reality.
1150
01:14:24,193 --> 01:14:27,130
You're led in one direction like it's going to be okay.
1151
01:14:31,668 --> 01:14:34,971
Hans zimmer's score really washes over you in waves.
1152
01:14:40,744 --> 01:14:43,613
Then the music just piles it on.
1153
01:14:43,647 --> 01:14:47,016
[theme music continues]
1154
01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:49,753
The camera pans down and you're left with a big question.
1155
01:14:49,786 --> 01:14:52,556
[music grows quieter]
1156
01:14:55,559 --> 01:14:58,494
Wow, music adds quite a bit here.
1157
01:15:03,266 --> 01:15:04,934
[holkenborg]
we've seen over the last five, six years
1158
01:15:04,968 --> 01:15:08,137
Where people that are not film composers
1159
01:15:08,171 --> 01:15:13,242
Were asked by a director to do something unique.
1160
01:15:13,276 --> 01:15:17,847
Like trent reznor and atticus ross.
1161
01:15:17,881 --> 01:15:19,816
And I think these are really good examples
1162
01:15:19,849 --> 01:15:23,219
Where people just really love people
1163
01:15:23,252 --> 01:15:26,756
That have an artist's career in the world outside of film scoring
1164
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:32,528
Can bring so much authenticity in music and sound to the picture.
1165
01:15:36,966 --> 01:15:40,136
["The social network" theme music plays]
1166
01:15:49,145 --> 01:15:52,081
[beck]
the sounds they're using are extremely contemporary.
1167
01:15:56,152 --> 01:15:58,287
[kraft]
their score for "The social network"
1168
01:15:58,321 --> 01:16:04,027
It's an emotional palette. It's a very disturbing kind of lyrical piano.
1169
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:06,062
It's human, but it's technical.
1170
01:16:06,095 --> 01:16:11,601
It's emotionally dark, but it's got some feeling to it.
1171
01:16:11,635 --> 01:16:13,202
[reznor]
when david fincher called,
1172
01:16:13,236 --> 01:16:16,172
"Hey, I want you to score my next film." fuck yeah.
1173
01:16:16,205 --> 01:16:20,009
"It's a movie about facebook."
1174
01:16:20,043 --> 01:16:24,147
I would be hard-pressed to think of something that sounded less sexy.
1175
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:26,315
And we were shuffling the deck
1176
01:16:26,349 --> 01:16:30,019
Trying things that didn't feel intuitive.
1177
01:16:38,862 --> 01:16:43,867
Talking about changing the temperature of a movie
1178
01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:47,704
And the emotional response of the audience.
1179
01:16:47,737 --> 01:16:49,238
Radically different.
1180
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:55,278
[reznor]
the whole movie feels different after that.
1181
01:16:55,311 --> 01:16:57,313
I think it feels like a much more important film
1182
01:16:57,346 --> 01:17:01,284
Than the kind of "Ah, college life, tomfoolery"
1183
01:17:01,317 --> 01:17:03,753
That it could have been misled
1184
01:17:03,787 --> 01:17:05,755
Into feeling with the wrong music in there.
1185
01:17:05,789 --> 01:17:09,358
And ever since that point, there are a lot more electronic
1186
01:17:09,392 --> 01:17:11,227
Artists doing film scores.
1187
01:17:11,260 --> 01:17:13,096
Electronic production, and engineering
1188
01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:14,363
And a whole different way of looking at music
1189
01:17:14,397 --> 01:17:16,265
That is often much more visceral.
1190
01:17:16,299 --> 01:17:19,235
Trent reznor and atticus ross for "The social network."
1191
01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:22,071
[holkenborg]
I think it's totally deserved that trent reznor
1192
01:17:22,105 --> 01:17:25,975
Not only got nominated but also won an oscar for score.
1193
01:17:26,009 --> 01:17:28,044
It's completely deserved.
1194
01:17:28,077 --> 01:17:31,681
When you have an unconventional image with unconventional sound,
1195
01:17:31,715 --> 01:17:34,250
Like with a lot of the things trent and atticus are doing,
1196
01:17:34,283 --> 01:17:36,452
The results can really be so much greater
1197
01:17:36,485 --> 01:17:38,054
Than the sum of their parts.
1198
01:17:38,087 --> 01:17:41,925
What the net result of that is, you know,
1199
01:17:41,958 --> 01:17:43,760
In some ways is sort of beautiful chaos.
1200
01:17:43,793 --> 01:17:47,163
Film music has changed, fairly radically.
1201
01:17:54,303 --> 01:17:57,807
There's far more experimentation.
1202
01:17:57,841 --> 01:18:03,046
There's far more freedom and inviting artists who would never have
1203
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,314
Thought of doing a film score and nobody would have thought
1204
01:18:05,348 --> 01:18:07,316
Of doing a film score before.
1205
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:09,318
And to me that's really exciting.
1206
01:18:09,352 --> 01:18:12,488
Technology has made it possible
1207
01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:16,993
For every composer to be a producer, as well.
1208
01:18:17,026 --> 01:18:20,296
At the core of it, though, is the tune.
1209
01:18:22,331 --> 01:18:25,168
For this one is the only cue that I feel
1210
01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:26,903
That we still need to work a little bit.
1211
01:18:26,936 --> 01:18:29,873
It happens to be the opening of the movie.
1212
01:18:29,906 --> 01:18:33,977
So, if we can get like this
1213
01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:37,213
Our orchestral ukulele, so to speak,
1214
01:18:37,246 --> 01:18:39,348
In a very simple... Very like
1215
01:18:39,382 --> 01:18:44,120
Plink, plink, plink, plink, plink.
1216
01:18:44,153 --> 01:18:46,155
-like that way, yup. -flies it by, yeah.
1217
01:18:46,189 --> 01:18:47,456
Very, very kinda sweet.
1218
01:18:47,490 --> 01:18:49,893
One, two, three and...
1219
01:18:49,926 --> 01:18:52,328
[music playing]
1220
01:18:54,330 --> 01:18:56,032
Can we do it... Okay.
1221
01:18:56,065 --> 01:19:01,104
Can we do it so your nails go on top of the string,
1222
01:19:01,137 --> 01:19:02,939
So it's kind of dirty.
1223
01:19:02,972 --> 01:19:05,008
So you plink, plink, plink,
1224
01:19:05,041 --> 01:19:07,076
Yes, yes.
1225
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:10,013
[strings playing]
1226
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,255
The cellos now.
1227
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:36,172
An amazing sound.
1228
01:19:36,205 --> 01:19:38,407
-happy? -I'm more than happy, man.
1229
01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:41,010
I'm like hypnotized.
1230
01:19:41,044 --> 01:19:42,912
[music playing]
1231
01:19:52,221 --> 01:19:53,990
Yeah, yeah.
1232
01:20:27,423 --> 01:20:28,591
Whoo-hoo!
1233
01:20:28,624 --> 01:20:30,927
Man, this is some powerful stuff.
1234
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,862
Beautiful.
1235
01:20:34,397 --> 01:20:38,467
I just wanna thank you again because you are amazing,
1236
01:20:38,501 --> 01:20:41,504
And what a privilege it is for a musician,
1237
01:20:41,537 --> 01:20:45,074
Like myself, to have you guys playing my music.
1238
01:20:45,108 --> 01:20:47,343
So, thank you very much.
1239
01:20:47,376 --> 01:20:48,377
Thank you, heitor.
1240
01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:57,987
Film music is essentially a recorded art.
1241
01:20:58,021 --> 01:21:01,157
Once you have the recording, then you're into mixing,
1242
01:21:01,190 --> 01:21:04,427
The more technological part of the production.
1243
01:21:07,163 --> 01:21:09,032
[jablonsky]
before the music leaves my studio,
1244
01:21:09,065 --> 01:21:12,035
I just give it one last final mix
1245
01:21:12,068 --> 01:21:15,004
To make sure everything that I want to be heard is heard.
1246
01:21:15,038 --> 01:21:18,207
Every element needs some amount of attention
1247
01:21:18,241 --> 01:21:20,676
To create the overall feel that you want.
1248
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:23,412
[music playing]
1249
01:21:28,384 --> 01:21:32,021
So that's... That's his main little melody.
1250
01:21:32,055 --> 01:21:35,691
Very simple, because he's a big simple, evil dude.
1251
01:21:35,724 --> 01:21:39,495
So there's a point where, it's a really dramatic moment in the film.
1252
01:21:39,528 --> 01:21:40,997
Up until this point in the music
1253
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:42,465
I didn't have any french horns,
1254
01:21:42,498 --> 01:21:43,967
So I introduced them.
1255
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,635
[french horns playing]
1256
01:21:55,011 --> 01:21:56,579
You probably can't even hear them.
1257
01:21:56,612 --> 01:22:00,083
I can hear them because I know what they're playing, but...
1258
01:22:02,385 --> 01:22:06,322
Okay, so, now simply mixing them up a bit.
1259
01:22:06,355 --> 01:22:09,625
[music playing]
1260
01:22:23,472 --> 01:22:26,442
Every time I played that just then, they were there.
1261
01:22:26,475 --> 01:22:28,177
When I turn the horns down,
1262
01:22:28,211 --> 01:22:30,646
I don't feel that emotional peak.
1263
01:22:30,679 --> 01:22:33,516
Now there's 50 foot robots running down the highway,
1264
01:22:33,549 --> 01:22:36,619
That line better be mixed up loud,
1265
01:22:36,652 --> 01:22:38,387
Otherwise, you're not gonna hear it.
1266
01:22:38,421 --> 01:22:40,323
You want your intention to be clear.
1267
01:22:40,356 --> 01:22:44,260
[music playing]
1268
01:22:53,402 --> 01:22:56,639
The horns just give it kind of more of an emotional weight.
1269
01:22:56,672 --> 01:22:59,608
That's a part of mixing, is just making sure the elements
1270
01:22:59,642 --> 01:23:01,444
That you want to grab hold of the audience
1271
01:23:01,477 --> 01:23:05,481
Are loud enough to make a statement.
1272
01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:09,285
And you can't really be wishy washy.
1273
01:23:09,318 --> 01:23:11,987
You have to make bold statements.
1274
01:23:26,535 --> 01:23:28,271
I think, you know, with "Furious 7,"
1275
01:23:28,304 --> 01:23:30,539
People really reacted to that film
1276
01:23:30,573 --> 01:23:32,508
On an emotional level.
1277
01:23:35,544 --> 01:23:37,780
Paul and his character say goodbye.
1278
01:23:40,183 --> 01:23:43,152
That's probably one of the most powerful theater experiences
1279
01:23:43,186 --> 01:23:46,122
I've had watching a film that I had worked on.
1280
01:23:48,491 --> 01:23:50,793
And it kind of crossed over his real life.
1281
01:23:55,264 --> 01:23:59,235
You can feel when a cue is working the audience.
1282
01:23:59,268 --> 01:24:00,569
That's what I love about film music,
1283
01:24:00,603 --> 01:24:02,738
If it's all emotion.
1284
01:24:06,275 --> 01:24:10,713
I think seeing audience reaction to films that you've worked on
1285
01:24:10,746 --> 01:24:12,448
Is really helpful.
1286
01:24:12,481 --> 01:24:14,517
It doesn't help you for the film that you just did,
1287
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:16,185
Because it's already out in the theater.
1288
01:24:16,219 --> 01:24:18,654
But it certainly will help you for the next film.
1289
01:24:23,726 --> 01:24:28,731
Seeing literally the reaction of how people respond
1290
01:24:28,764 --> 01:24:31,400
To your music, that's really cool.
1291
01:24:46,415 --> 01:24:48,584
Now often, I'll cruise up to the front,
1292
01:24:48,617 --> 01:24:52,521
And creepily turn back and look at the audience
1293
01:24:52,555 --> 01:24:54,089
Watching the movie.
1294
01:25:02,865 --> 01:25:05,601
Very rarely am I spotted doing that.
1295
01:25:05,634 --> 01:25:07,836
Every once in a while I will look through the audience,
1296
01:25:07,870 --> 01:25:09,472
I'm enjoying everyone watching it,
1297
01:25:09,505 --> 01:25:12,175
And then there's one head like at the tennis match
1298
01:25:12,208 --> 01:25:15,411
With the one person like looking right at you looking at them
1299
01:25:15,444 --> 01:25:17,246
And that's uncomfortable, and then I leave.
1300
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,183
["Avengers" theme music plays]
1301
01:25:23,719 --> 01:25:25,788
You want to get a sense of how did this work?
1302
01:25:25,821 --> 01:25:28,391
[theme music continues]
1303
01:25:30,393 --> 01:25:32,595
Especially in the scenes that are really musical.
1304
01:25:32,628 --> 01:25:35,598
Did they move people?
1305
01:25:35,631 --> 01:25:40,469
And then I do something that's slightly embarrassing.
1306
01:25:40,503 --> 01:25:43,739
I will run into a bathroom stall,
1307
01:25:43,772 --> 01:25:48,944
Um, and see if they're humming
1308
01:25:48,977 --> 01:25:50,946
Or whistling the theme,
1309
01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:56,619
And it is amazing how many times that's actually happened.
1310
01:25:56,652 --> 01:25:59,522
It's like the ultimate pat on the back.
1311
01:26:01,424 --> 01:26:04,793
To me, I feel like I affected them on a level
1312
01:26:04,827 --> 01:26:06,762
That they're unaware of.
1313
01:26:09,432 --> 01:26:13,269
It's cool to be able to witness people
1314
01:26:13,302 --> 01:26:15,404
Experiencing what I experienced
1315
01:26:15,438 --> 01:26:18,474
When I was watching films growing up.
1316
01:26:18,507 --> 01:26:23,712
And to think that it lives on beyond you is a crazy thing.
1317
01:26:23,746 --> 01:26:25,948
I mean, it's definitely gonna outlive me.
1318
01:26:25,981 --> 01:26:29,285
You know, these movies will be continued to be watched
1319
01:26:29,318 --> 01:26:30,953
And that's really cool.
1320
01:26:30,986 --> 01:26:33,956
One of the responsibilities we have as film composers,
1321
01:26:33,989 --> 01:26:38,227
Is we're the last people on earth who on a daily basis
1322
01:26:38,261 --> 01:26:40,363
Commission orchestral music.
1323
01:26:40,396 --> 01:26:42,598
Without us, the orchestras might just disappear,
1324
01:26:42,631 --> 01:26:44,700
And I think that will create a rift
1325
01:26:44,733 --> 01:26:47,670
In, you know, human culture.
1326
01:26:47,703 --> 01:26:52,241
I think it will be such a loss to humanity.
1327
01:27:08,591 --> 01:27:10,759
We all have this fragility.
1328
01:27:14,330 --> 01:27:16,699
We can chat for hours and in a funny way,
1329
01:27:16,732 --> 01:27:18,000
I'm very secure about this.
1330
01:27:18,033 --> 01:27:20,369
I-- because I hide behind the work.
1331
01:27:20,403 --> 01:27:22,571
You'll never really figure me out.
1332
01:27:22,605 --> 01:27:25,508
But when I play you a piece of music,
1333
01:27:25,541 --> 01:27:27,676
I completely expose myself.
1334
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,317
And that's the really scary moment.
1335
01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:37,486
I love, I love, I love what I do.
1336
01:27:39,688 --> 01:27:42,758
Even when I sit there driven by paranoia, fear,
1337
01:27:42,791 --> 01:27:45,928
Neurosis, you know, pulling my hair out.
1338
01:27:50,433 --> 01:27:52,701
I still wouldn't trade it for anything else.
1339
01:28:05,781 --> 01:28:09,752
Very few people can be inspired every day
1340
01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:12,455
To write something brilliant.
1341
01:28:12,488 --> 01:28:14,557
Whether or not you're aware of it,
1342
01:28:14,590 --> 01:28:17,092
Music plays such an important role
1343
01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:18,927
In how you respond to a film.
1344
01:28:18,961 --> 01:28:21,597
All your other work on a film can come to nothing
1345
01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:23,866
If you don't get the music right.
1346
01:28:23,899 --> 01:28:25,768
You constantly have to reinvent yourself
1347
01:28:25,801 --> 01:28:29,872
And you have to adapt to very, very difficult psyches.
1348
01:28:29,905 --> 01:28:32,608
It's quite a lot of weight to carry on your shoulders,
1349
01:28:32,641 --> 01:28:35,010
If you're just struggling and you have self doubts,
1350
01:28:35,043 --> 01:28:38,313
And sometimes, yeah, sometimes you crash into a wall.
1351
01:28:40,383 --> 01:28:44,086
The satisfaction of succeeding, yeah, it's really something.
1352
01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:47,823
Film music is one of the great art forms
1353
01:28:47,856 --> 01:28:49,958
Of the 20th and 21st century.
1354
01:28:49,992 --> 01:28:53,095
[tan]
there is something about what the film composer
1355
01:28:53,128 --> 01:28:55,798
Brings in by their intuition.
1356
01:28:57,433 --> 01:29:00,603
That unique ecology, that unique combination
1357
01:29:00,636 --> 01:29:06,542
Is what makes film music so powerful, so mysterious,
1358
01:29:06,575 --> 01:29:11,414
And probably uncaptureable to us as scientists.
1359
01:29:35,137 --> 01:29:39,875
[music playing]
1360
01:30:33,128 --> 01:30:37,065
When we were cutting "Titanic," james was sending over music
1361
01:30:37,099 --> 01:30:40,636
As he was-- 'cause what he would do is sketch out
1362
01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:43,205
On synthesizer, with his synthesist,
1363
01:30:43,238 --> 01:30:46,208
What he intended to do with the orchestra.
1364
01:30:46,241 --> 01:30:49,044
So I was used to getting sort of new ideas coming in.
1365
01:30:49,077 --> 01:30:50,579
So I was sitting there cutting one day
1366
01:30:50,613 --> 01:30:54,550
And a disc came in that said, "Sketch."
1367
01:30:54,583 --> 01:30:57,586
I thought, "Oh, okay, this goes for the sketching scene."
1368
01:30:57,620 --> 01:30:59,888
I just kinda slid it around until I found a place
1369
01:30:59,922 --> 01:31:02,124
Where it seemed to sync with the scene nicely.
1370
01:31:02,157 --> 01:31:05,761
[music playing]
1371
01:31:10,866 --> 01:31:12,868
So serious.
1372
01:31:12,901 --> 01:31:15,070
There's a kind of piano downbeat
1373
01:31:15,103 --> 01:31:17,973
That I just put on leonardo's eyes coming up
1374
01:31:18,006 --> 01:31:20,242
And looking directly at the camera.
1375
01:31:20,275 --> 01:31:24,580
[music playing]
1376
01:31:24,613 --> 01:31:26,682
A critical moment of eye contact
1377
01:31:26,715 --> 01:31:28,584
Between the two of them while he's drawing her,
1378
01:31:28,617 --> 01:31:29,985
And then, boy, it just really flowed.
1379
01:31:30,018 --> 01:31:32,755
[music playing]
1380
01:31:35,691 --> 01:31:37,926
So, I was so excited about it, I called him up,
1381
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,596
I said, "Listen, this is working so well."
1382
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:42,130
I put it up to the sketching scene
1383
01:31:42,164 --> 01:31:43,932
And it's working fantastically.
1384
01:31:43,966 --> 01:31:45,768
And he said, "Oh, no, no, no, no, that's just a sketch.
1385
01:31:45,801 --> 01:31:48,103
It's just a piano sketch of a melody.
1386
01:31:48,136 --> 01:31:51,206
We can drop it in anywhere." and I said, "But it works beautifully on this scene.
1387
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:54,643
He said, "Really?" I said, "Yeah, get your ass over here."
1388
01:31:54,677 --> 01:31:57,680
So, he came over, he said, "Oh, that works pretty well."
1389
01:31:57,713 --> 01:31:59,247
He said, "All right, well, I'll orchestrate it."
1390
01:31:59,281 --> 01:32:01,717
I said, "No, no, no, no. Just the piano."
1391
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:06,021
[piano music playing]
1392
01:32:10,826 --> 01:32:14,563
He said, "All right, I know the best pianist in the world.
1393
01:32:14,597 --> 01:32:15,898
I know-- he's out of london."
1394
01:32:15,931 --> 01:32:19,902
I said, "No, it's you, buddy, it's you."
1395
01:32:19,935 --> 01:32:22,671
[music playing]
1396
00:30:11,577 --> 00:30:15,848
But, it's quite interesting watching it being used
1397
00:30:15,882 --> 00:30:19,018
For something completely different.
1398
00:30:19,051 --> 00:30:22,288
[kraft]
we live in a world that things are underscored.
1399
00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:26,092
It's actually interesting how the music
1400
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:31,163
Of "Remember the titans" evokes what obama wanted
1401
00:30:31,197 --> 00:30:35,334
To be as the man walking out as the new president.
1402
00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,269
[theme music continues]
1403
00:30:37,303 --> 00:30:41,407
[lemone]
whatever the audience felt in the theatre,
1404
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,642
It was resonant again.
1405
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:47,046
The power of the score in and of itself is amazing.
1406
00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:51,650
[tan]
when we're watching a 90-minute standard film,
1407
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:55,221
We make about 21,000 or more eye movements.
1408
00:30:55,254 --> 00:30:59,058
And even though we feel like we have full control
1409
00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:02,228
And freedom of where to look, many studies on eye tracking
1410
00:31:02,261 --> 00:31:05,231
Have shown that actually a film audience
1411
00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:08,034
Is usually looking at about the same place on a screen
1412
00:31:08,067 --> 00:31:10,069
At about the same time.
1413
00:31:10,102 --> 00:31:13,639
One way that the eye can be directed to a specific spot
1414
00:31:13,672 --> 00:31:17,543
On the screen is when there's something about the music
1415
00:31:17,576 --> 00:31:20,479
That matches some characteristic on the screen.
1416
00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:24,383
For example, a rising pitch with something that is rising.
1417
00:31:27,086 --> 00:31:29,155
And a great example of this comes from
1418
00:31:29,188 --> 00:31:33,225
The "Married life" montage from the film, "Up."
1419
00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:36,295
The first time that we see the balloons
1420
00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:38,597
That are tied to carl's cart,
1421
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,433
That's really important because the balloons are going
1422
00:31:41,467 --> 00:31:44,036
To be an important visual motif,
1423
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:48,107
An important theme for the entire film.
1424
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:54,013
We see carl, and then we see ellie walking out with a parrot.
1425
00:31:54,046 --> 00:31:58,117
And then the balloon cart rises and comes back down.
1426
00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:59,986
So it's very interesting to see
1427
00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:04,523
That music can be part of the choreography of the dance
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