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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,322 --> 00:00:03,522 And in Northern California this morning... 2 00:00:04,244 --> 00:00:07,814 It may be one of the most unusual kidnap cases ever... 3 00:00:08,448 --> 00:00:11,568 A 14-year-old boy who had been missing for seven years... 4 00:00:12,292 --> 00:00:14,622 ...began telling authorities an incredible story... 5 00:00:14,615 --> 00:00:16,775 ...an unusual story... 6 00:00:20,621 --> 00:00:24,341 14-year-old Steven Stayner has been missing since 1972. 7 00:00:24,344 --> 00:00:25,914 The suspect drove up in a car, 8 00:00:25,906 --> 00:00:28,186 offering to give the boy a ride home. 9 00:00:28,188 --> 00:00:30,188 ANCHOR: This is how Steven Stayner looked 10 00:00:30,190 --> 00:00:33,430 when he disappeared at age 7 seven years ago. 11 00:00:33,433 --> 00:00:34,683 This is Steven today. 12 00:00:34,675 --> 00:00:36,755 Steve's mother was quoted as saying, 13 00:00:36,757 --> 00:00:38,277 "I told everyone from the beginning..." 14 00:00:38,278 --> 00:00:41,158 "...that he would come back to us." 15 00:00:41,161 --> 00:00:43,761 ANCHOR: Just about everyone is calling it a miracle. 16 00:00:45,926 --> 00:00:48,126 ANCHOR: This was a story that just had to be told. 17 00:00:48,128 --> 00:00:50,848 C camera, mark! 18 00:00:50,851 --> 00:00:53,051 Now the bizarre story of Steven Stayner 19 00:00:53,053 --> 00:00:55,663 is the subject of an upcoming mini series. 20 00:00:55,656 --> 00:00:56,896 TVM DELL: Kay, is that really Stevie? 21 00:00:56,897 --> 00:01:00,457 Yeah, it's him. 22 00:01:00,460 --> 00:01:03,100 It's Stevie. 23 00:01:03,103 --> 00:01:05,473 It's called "I Know My First Name is Steven"... 24 00:01:05,465 --> 00:01:07,425 ...and it is a thought-provoking mini series 25 00:01:07,427 --> 00:01:10,827 about a California kidnap victim. 26 00:01:10,831 --> 00:01:12,431 ANCHOR: If someone had written a script 27 00:01:12,432 --> 00:01:14,272 with all the elements of your story, 28 00:01:14,274 --> 00:01:17,884 it probably would be rejected because it's so incredible. 29 00:01:17,878 --> 00:01:20,678 I know my first name is Steven. 30 00:01:20,681 --> 00:01:22,561 This is a storybook ending. 31 00:01:22,563 --> 00:01:23,963 I think we all can agree with that. 32 00:01:28,849 --> 00:01:30,929 A bizarre story with a happy ending. 33 00:01:31,011 --> 00:01:33,331 Well, everybody wants a happy ending. 34 00:01:36,497 --> 00:01:40,897 And not very many true stories are a happy ending. 35 00:01:43,183 --> 00:01:47,393 You would definitely think something like this is made up. 36 00:01:47,387 --> 00:01:50,187 It's unreal to find out that somebody 37 00:01:50,190 --> 00:01:53,150 that is your blood could do something like that. 38 00:01:54,354 --> 00:02:00,804 How much more can happen in one lifetime in one family? 39 00:02:04,284 --> 00:02:08,454 You can't make a movie about something like this happening. 40 00:02:08,448 --> 00:02:12,128 It doesn't... 41 00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:13,412 Mm. 42 00:02:15,936 --> 00:02:18,936 [ Theme music plays ] 43 00:03:02,422 --> 00:03:05,432 [ Somber music plays ] 44 00:03:28,088 --> 00:03:31,288 TVM CARY: Stevie! 45 00:03:34,294 --> 00:03:36,224 Stevie! 46 00:04:28,949 --> 00:04:31,709 [ Music stops ] 47 00:04:31,712 --> 00:04:36,402 ASHLEY: We have two boxes filled with my dad's stuff. 48 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,879 I've never really wanted to look through them. 49 00:04:42,883 --> 00:04:45,893 Oh, clippings. 50 00:04:45,886 --> 00:04:47,646 Steven Stayner. 51 00:04:47,648 --> 00:04:49,328 Look at his pictures. 52 00:04:51,411 --> 00:04:55,181 I'm scared there's a lot of personal things in there. 53 00:04:55,175 --> 00:04:57,295 I feel like I have to be in the right state of mind 54 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:58,937 in order to do it. 55 00:04:58,939 --> 00:05:04,629 Ad I just haven't really been in that state of mind. 56 00:05:04,625 --> 00:05:08,465 [ Somber music plays ] 57 00:05:08,468 --> 00:05:10,748 WOMAN: This is scene Ashley, Take 1 marker. 58 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:15,964 My name is Ashley Lewella Stayner, 59 00:05:15,956 --> 00:05:19,596 and I am the daughter of Steven Stayner. 60 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,840 The original, Ash. 61 00:05:22,843 --> 00:05:24,573 Oh, wow. 62 00:05:24,565 --> 00:05:26,045 That's the one they used. 63 00:05:26,046 --> 00:05:29,326 STEVEN JR.: That is the one they used, yup. 64 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,689 ASHLEY: I didn't grow up around people 65 00:05:30,691 --> 00:05:32,851 that talked about my Dad to me. 66 00:05:32,853 --> 00:05:34,623 Stories, things like that. 67 00:05:34,615 --> 00:05:40,375 So my dad was just kind of my dad that died. 68 00:05:42,503 --> 00:05:45,033 STEVEN JR.: I don't remember my father much. 69 00:05:45,025 --> 00:05:47,105 Actually, I don't remember him at all. 70 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:54,800 Northstar Trailer Park, Santa Rosa Avenue. 71 00:05:54,795 --> 00:05:57,155 Ew, look at that creepy house. 72 00:06:00,841 --> 00:06:06,411 I have recordings and I have pictures and newspaper articles. 73 00:06:06,406 --> 00:06:08,806 If it wasn't for those things, 74 00:06:08,809 --> 00:06:11,809 I probably wouldn't have much of him, you know? 75 00:06:11,812 --> 00:06:14,452 But I know there's a lot more out there that I don't -- 76 00:06:14,454 --> 00:06:15,664 that I don't know about. 77 00:06:15,656 --> 00:06:18,656 And I want to know about it. 78 00:06:20,701 --> 00:06:24,991 I think that a lot of people have their thoughts 79 00:06:24,985 --> 00:06:29,105 about my family and who we are as people. 80 00:06:29,109 --> 00:06:31,309 And I think they have it wrong. 81 00:06:31,311 --> 00:06:33,071 ASHLEY: Everyone knows him as 82 00:06:33,073 --> 00:06:36,843 the boy who was taken and returned. 83 00:06:36,837 --> 00:06:39,837 That story has been told many many times. 84 00:06:42,162 --> 00:06:46,972 But it always feels like there's something missing, 85 00:06:46,967 --> 00:06:51,007 because the family was never involved. 86 00:06:51,011 --> 00:06:55,821 As so, I wanted to make something that wasn't 87 00:06:55,816 --> 00:07:00,216 just, like, third parties saying what they thought. 88 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:02,620 We have our own stories. 89 00:07:04,745 --> 00:07:07,265 KAY: [ Sighs ] 90 00:07:09,229 --> 00:07:12,429 Yeah, I'm okay, I'm okay. 91 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:15,042 I got myself psyched up for this. 92 00:07:15,596 --> 00:07:18,596 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 93 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,720 We've told the story so many times, 94 00:07:21,722 --> 00:07:25,092 I keep saying, "Why don't you all know this already?" 95 00:07:25,085 --> 00:07:30,525 It's because I've lived it and relived it and relived it. 96 00:07:30,531 --> 00:07:32,811 And I feel like everybody should know it. 97 00:07:32,813 --> 00:07:35,583 They don't need it told again. 98 00:07:35,576 --> 00:07:38,696 But a lot of people haven't, I guess. 99 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:43,220 [ Sighs ] 100 00:07:43,223 --> 00:07:44,873 You gotta get the whole story. 101 00:07:48,468 --> 00:07:54,148 Dell and I, we always planned on having a family. 102 00:07:54,154 --> 00:07:59,004 We had Jody and Cary, and Cory's the baby. 103 00:07:58,999 --> 00:08:00,759 And Steve. 104 00:08:01,321 --> 00:08:05,211 You know, five was perfect. 105 00:08:05,205 --> 00:08:06,485 That was enough. 106 00:08:09,009 --> 00:08:10,529 They were all different. 107 00:08:10,531 --> 00:08:12,051 Some were little helpers 108 00:08:12,052 --> 00:08:16,342 and some were little guys that got into trouble. 109 00:08:16,336 --> 00:08:19,536 We lived on a street that happened to have tons of kids 110 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:20,820 all the same age. 111 00:08:20,821 --> 00:08:23,901 And they just played basketball, baseball, 112 00:08:23,904 --> 00:08:26,354 rode their bikes and their big wheels 113 00:08:26,346 --> 00:08:27,986 up and down the street. 114 00:08:27,988 --> 00:08:32,028 Yeah, it was a great little street to grow up on. 115 00:08:37,958 --> 00:08:41,558 Steve was second grade, 7, 116 00:08:41,562 --> 00:08:44,002 He was a helpful little guy. 117 00:08:44,004 --> 00:08:47,134 You know, he always wanted to help people. 118 00:08:47,127 --> 00:08:51,247 And, um, he trusted people. 119 00:08:53,894 --> 00:08:55,744 Uh, and we always told him, you know, 120 00:08:55,736 --> 00:08:58,096 be respectful of your elders, and blah blah blah. 121 00:08:58,098 --> 00:09:01,058 And that basically got him into trouble. 122 00:09:13,994 --> 00:09:16,724 I was supposed to pick him up from school, 123 00:09:16,717 --> 00:09:20,037 but I had been kind of delayed because it was... 124 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,640 MAN: Here you go, ace. You're all set. 125 00:09:23,644 --> 00:09:26,094 What was it? 126 00:09:26,086 --> 00:09:29,326 I was picking something up for Dell at the parts store. 127 00:09:29,329 --> 00:09:33,209 And I got to the school and Steve was already gone. 128 00:09:34,655 --> 00:09:38,775 I got home and he wasn't there. 129 00:09:38,779 --> 00:09:41,579 It probably took a couple hours before we really, 130 00:09:41,582 --> 00:09:45,232 really panicked and then called the police. 131 00:09:47,067 --> 00:09:48,707 And we searched. 132 00:09:48,709 --> 00:09:52,149 And the police, they did a canvass all up and down. 133 00:09:55,395 --> 00:09:58,235 He had to cross Yosemite Parkway, 134 00:09:58,238 --> 00:10:02,798 which was the access to Yosemite National Park, 135 00:10:02,803 --> 00:10:04,693 uh, 80 miles away, 136 00:10:04,685 --> 00:10:07,925 but still, it was the way everybody got into Yosemite. 137 00:10:07,928 --> 00:10:10,928 [ Dramatic music plays ] 138 00:10:18,218 --> 00:10:21,058 Hey, where are you going? 139 00:10:21,061 --> 00:10:24,751 I was stopped by a man on the street 140 00:10:24,745 --> 00:10:28,625 just a few blocks from my house, 141 00:10:28,629 --> 00:10:31,229 and he asked me 142 00:10:31,231 --> 00:10:35,001 if my mother wanted to donate something to a church. 143 00:10:34,995 --> 00:10:36,995 It's all about Jesus and stuff. 144 00:10:41,882 --> 00:10:45,932 I had told him that my mother would probably want to, 145 00:10:45,926 --> 00:10:48,126 and so he offered me a ride home. 146 00:10:48,128 --> 00:10:51,048 This is Reverend Parnell. 147 00:10:51,051 --> 00:10:52,731 Hop in, son. 148 00:10:52,733 --> 00:10:55,943 The preacher here, he'll drive you home. 149 00:10:55,936 --> 00:10:59,576 They passed the road that I lived on 150 00:10:59,580 --> 00:11:01,500 and they said that 151 00:11:01,502 --> 00:11:03,662 "We'll just call your parents 152 00:11:03,664 --> 00:11:05,274 and see if you can stay the night." 153 00:11:10,711 --> 00:11:13,151 The second night, they said that they had called them again 154 00:11:13,153 --> 00:11:16,323 and said that I could stay another night. 155 00:11:16,316 --> 00:11:19,796 Then one them went to -- went out, 156 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,520 and then came back and said that he went to court 157 00:11:22,523 --> 00:11:27,213 and had gotten possession of me and said that I was his. 158 00:11:30,410 --> 00:11:33,530 KAY: We started sending out flyers to the schools, 159 00:11:33,534 --> 00:11:38,064 sending out flyers to television stations, radio stations 160 00:11:38,058 --> 00:11:40,098 asking for help. 161 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:43,460 And asking if they would, you know, be on the lookout for him. 162 00:11:43,463 --> 00:11:45,753 MAN: Young Stevie always walked home from school 163 00:11:45,746 --> 00:11:47,186 through this service station. 164 00:11:47,187 --> 00:11:49,987 One afternoon, he disappeared without a trace. 165 00:11:49,990 --> 00:11:52,750 Stevie's mother says the only thing that makes him different 166 00:11:52,753 --> 00:11:55,323 from other little boys in this part of the world 167 00:11:55,315 --> 00:11:58,795 is that he just plain didn't like to fight. 168 00:11:59,399 --> 00:12:03,319 You called him -- I've been told that you called him Dad. 169 00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:05,493 How long before you started calling him Dad? 170 00:12:05,485 --> 00:12:07,285 Do you have any idea when that started? 171 00:12:07,287 --> 00:12:12,447 That started about a week after my abduction. 172 00:12:13,493 --> 00:12:16,423 I also got your named changed. 173 00:12:16,416 --> 00:12:19,776 Your new name is Dennis. 174 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:21,740 Dennis Gregory Parnell. 175 00:12:21,742 --> 00:12:26,752 Parnell was working in Yosemite National Park 176 00:12:26,747 --> 00:12:31,747 I think as a bookkeeper or something to that effect. 177 00:12:32,833 --> 00:12:34,153 A little boy. 178 00:12:34,154 --> 00:12:36,804 They finally took Steve and, uh... 179 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,560 ...they proceeded -- 180 00:12:42,563 --> 00:12:44,693 you know, they did what they did. 181 00:12:44,685 --> 00:12:47,685 [ Somber music plays ] 182 00:13:16,156 --> 00:13:18,076 [ Indistinct whispering ] 183 00:13:18,078 --> 00:13:19,838 TVM STEVEN: Leave me alone. 184 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,960 I want to go home. 185 00:13:36,697 --> 00:13:38,297 MAN: Were you afraid? 186 00:13:40,741 --> 00:13:42,581 Not that much. 187 00:13:42,583 --> 00:13:44,223 I was a little bit. 188 00:13:52,593 --> 00:13:54,393 KAY: When Steve disappeared 189 00:13:54,394 --> 00:13:59,204 and we were trying to get all this information out there, 190 00:13:59,199 --> 00:14:02,879 television stations and newspapers, 191 00:14:02,883 --> 00:14:04,043 they said they would help. 192 00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:05,934 We tried to keep it in the news, 193 00:14:05,926 --> 00:14:08,966 but then it was like, yeah, old news. 194 00:14:12,412 --> 00:14:16,462 I think Steve... 195 00:14:16,456 --> 00:14:18,576 I can't remember. 196 00:14:18,579 --> 00:14:22,339 It seems to me he saw something about him being missing. 197 00:14:22,342 --> 00:14:26,632 But, um -- And he tried to get away from Parnell. 198 00:14:26,627 --> 00:14:27,987 I mean, he did. 199 00:14:27,988 --> 00:14:31,668 He left the apartment, wherever he was. 200 00:14:31,672 --> 00:14:34,152 He left it, and he was leaving. 201 00:14:34,154 --> 00:14:37,404 And he got out on the street. 202 00:14:37,397 --> 00:14:39,997 And he got scared. 203 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,320 Because he didn't know where he was. 204 00:14:43,323 --> 00:14:48,013 He had no way of finding anything, so he went back. 205 00:14:48,008 --> 00:14:51,008 [ Somber music plays ] 206 00:15:04,745 --> 00:15:07,025 [ Indistinct conversations ] 207 00:15:07,027 --> 00:15:10,027 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 208 00:15:15,355 --> 00:15:18,675 TVM YOUNG MAN: Hey, Dennis. 209 00:15:21,842 --> 00:15:23,522 KUZMA: Would you prefer that I refer to him 210 00:15:23,524 --> 00:15:25,214 as Dennis or Steven? 211 00:15:28,729 --> 00:15:31,369 That's how I knew him. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 212 00:15:35,095 --> 00:15:37,015 Oh, I do. 213 00:15:37,017 --> 00:15:38,537 He kept a very low profile. 214 00:15:38,539 --> 00:15:40,379 You know, he was -- he was quiet. 215 00:15:41,822 --> 00:15:43,462 MARIE: I met Dennis in eighth grade. 216 00:15:43,463 --> 00:15:45,313 He sat behind me. 217 00:15:45,305 --> 00:15:47,185 He was really shy. 218 00:15:47,187 --> 00:15:50,307 Almost I would have to say kind of painfully shy. 219 00:15:51,832 --> 00:15:56,562 He was shy at first, but you could get him out of his shell. 220 00:15:56,557 --> 00:15:59,517 Yeah, he was definitely my first boyfriend. 221 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,040 Crush. As a teenager. 222 00:16:02,042 --> 00:16:04,122 He was a great kid. He -- He was free. 223 00:16:04,124 --> 00:16:06,054 He was -- We were all free. 224 00:16:09,289 --> 00:16:14,489 KUZMA: Comptche is one of those special pieces of heaven. 225 00:16:14,494 --> 00:16:19,744 You come here and the community just brings you in. 226 00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:22,180 We were very remote. 227 00:16:22,182 --> 00:16:23,862 What little television I had back then 228 00:16:23,864 --> 00:16:27,594 was an antenna wired to the top of a redwood tree. 229 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:31,590 It was a different time. 230 00:16:34,154 --> 00:16:35,924 KHAMOOR: The culture of kids in Comptche 231 00:16:35,916 --> 00:16:38,156 was just a little pack of kids, 232 00:16:38,158 --> 00:16:40,998 sitting on the store bench, walking to the pond, 233 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:43,361 walking to the swimming hole. 234 00:16:43,363 --> 00:16:46,773 We had the run of this town. We did whatever we wanted. 235 00:16:46,767 --> 00:16:49,287 And our parents didn't worry about us. 236 00:16:49,289 --> 00:16:51,249 You know, the words that we used 237 00:16:51,251 --> 00:16:53,931 were the hippies and the straights. 238 00:16:53,934 --> 00:16:56,664 Certainly Kenneth Parnell was a straight. 239 00:17:01,181 --> 00:17:03,421 PATRICIA: From the start, I did not care for him. 240 00:17:06,146 --> 00:17:10,186 I just had that feeling, that instinct a woman has. 241 00:17:10,190 --> 00:17:12,470 A mother has. 242 00:17:12,472 --> 00:17:14,152 And I told my daughter "Don't ever, 243 00:17:14,154 --> 00:17:17,764 ever go up to his house by yourself." 244 00:17:17,758 --> 00:17:20,798 Truthfully, I thought Ken spoiled Dennis. 245 00:17:20,801 --> 00:17:23,881 He let him smoke, he let him drive the car, 246 00:17:23,884 --> 00:17:25,614 just on the property, 247 00:17:25,606 --> 00:17:27,686 like through the fence and stuff like that. 248 00:17:27,688 --> 00:17:31,168 I remember he didn't have very many clothes. 249 00:17:31,171 --> 00:17:33,651 Like, he had like two pairs of pants, or three or something, 250 00:17:33,654 --> 00:17:36,344 so I think there was some teasing about that, you know? 251 00:17:36,336 --> 00:17:39,696 Really dirty fingernails. 252 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:42,980 Shoes with holes, no socks. 253 00:17:42,983 --> 00:17:45,953 Dirty ankles, you know, with no socks. 254 00:17:49,149 --> 00:17:51,549 MARIE: You know, I do remember when we picked Dennis up, 255 00:17:51,552 --> 00:17:53,072 we never went to his house. 256 00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:54,843 He'd always meet us at the end of the road 257 00:17:54,835 --> 00:17:59,155 'cause it was just kinda known that you didn't go to his house. 258 00:17:59,159 --> 00:18:01,199 And at the time, I didn't think a lot of it, 259 00:18:01,201 --> 00:18:03,801 because, you know, a lot of people had weird parents. 260 00:18:03,804 --> 00:18:06,014 Like, that wasn't that unusual. 261 00:18:07,247 --> 00:18:11,727 PATRICIA: Here, you know, your business is your business. 262 00:18:11,732 --> 00:18:14,132 That's -- [ Chuckles ] 263 00:18:14,134 --> 00:18:16,784 Wow, we were so naive. 264 00:18:16,777 --> 00:18:19,777 [ Somber music plays ] 265 00:18:24,865 --> 00:18:28,425 WOMAN: 101, Take 5 marker. 266 00:18:28,428 --> 00:18:30,948 DIRECTOR: If you could start by telling your name 267 00:18:30,951 --> 00:18:32,591 and who you played. 268 00:18:32,593 --> 00:18:34,393 Sure. 269 00:18:34,394 --> 00:18:37,524 Well, my name is Corin Nemic, and I played Steven Stayner 270 00:18:37,518 --> 00:18:39,358 in "I Know My First Name Is Steven." 271 00:18:41,842 --> 00:18:44,122 Hey, Dennis. Dennis, wait up. 272 00:18:50,050 --> 00:18:51,050 Mm-hmm. 273 00:18:55,215 --> 00:18:56,495 Oh, wow. Okay. 274 00:19:13,714 --> 00:19:15,084 Yeah, yeah, it sounds like 275 00:19:15,075 --> 00:19:17,635 they're driving with the windows down. 276 00:19:21,842 --> 00:19:23,482 Yeah, I would love to. 277 00:19:26,527 --> 00:19:27,687 Okay. 278 00:19:29,770 --> 00:19:32,170 Yeah. That's so -- This is such a trip. Wow. 279 00:19:37,978 --> 00:19:41,938 "At the beginning, he sort of, like, brainwashed me 280 00:19:41,942 --> 00:19:44,102 into believing that my parents didn't want me." 281 00:19:44,104 --> 00:19:45,834 I want to go home. 282 00:19:45,826 --> 00:19:48,946 Call my dad. He'll pick me up. 283 00:19:48,949 --> 00:19:50,829 No, he won't, son. 284 00:19:50,831 --> 00:19:52,231 I'm sorry. 285 00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:53,712 I didn't want to tell you, 286 00:19:53,714 --> 00:19:55,564 but your daddy's not too happy with you. 287 00:19:57,317 --> 00:19:59,557 "And if I left, I was afraid that 288 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,720 maybe I might end up in a place..." 289 00:20:02,723 --> 00:20:04,443 DIRECTOR: "Like a boy's home?" 290 00:20:04,444 --> 00:20:06,934 "Yeah. That I don't enjoy. 291 00:20:06,927 --> 00:20:09,607 So really I thought, 292 00:20:09,610 --> 00:20:12,330 'Why don't I just leave well enough alone?'" 293 00:20:30,631 --> 00:20:31,991 We're your family. 294 00:20:31,992 --> 00:20:34,152 Your parents don't want you anymore. 295 00:20:34,154 --> 00:20:35,764 Have you heard your parents 296 00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:37,876 talking about any kind of problems lately? 297 00:20:37,878 --> 00:20:40,798 Yeah. 298 00:20:43,884 --> 00:20:47,334 NEMIC: "I was always scared of him. 299 00:20:47,327 --> 00:20:52,527 A lot of times, you know, I felt violence towards him." 300 00:20:52,533 --> 00:20:53,973 DIRECTOR: "Violence towards him?" 301 00:20:53,974 --> 00:20:55,744 "Yeah." 302 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:01,140 "Right." 303 00:21:32,212 --> 00:21:36,582 "I was thinking that I might go back to my own family, 304 00:21:36,577 --> 00:21:38,137 but I wasn't sure. 305 00:21:38,138 --> 00:21:42,538 A lot can change in your family in five years." 306 00:21:44,625 --> 00:21:48,025 "A martial divorce, a death in the family -- 307 00:21:48,028 --> 00:21:50,708 I didn't know what I'd be facing, you know?" 308 00:22:02,643 --> 00:22:04,533 ANCHOR: With the drama of the Patty Hearst kidnapping 309 00:22:04,525 --> 00:22:06,325 dominating West Coast news reports, 310 00:22:06,326 --> 00:22:08,646 it's easy to forget that some families 311 00:22:08,649 --> 00:22:13,969 have been endured that agony of waiting for more than a year. 312 00:22:13,974 --> 00:22:19,224 I probably didn't ever leave the house 313 00:22:19,219 --> 00:22:24,459 unattended for probably two or three years 314 00:22:24,464 --> 00:22:27,034 because I was just sure he was gonna call. 315 00:22:27,027 --> 00:22:29,627 So if I had to go to the store, 316 00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:31,550 I had to make sure that there was somebody 317 00:22:31,552 --> 00:22:34,152 at the house to answer the phone. 318 00:22:34,154 --> 00:22:37,564 CORY: When Steve went missing, I was 4 years old. 319 00:22:37,558 --> 00:22:41,198 I didn't know how to react, 320 00:22:41,201 --> 00:22:44,361 I guess you could say, or how to deal with it, 321 00:22:44,364 --> 00:22:45,574 I mean, you know, I was a kid, 322 00:22:45,566 --> 00:22:48,006 so who -- 323 00:22:48,008 --> 00:22:50,928 nobody's prepared for something like that. 324 00:22:50,931 --> 00:22:52,731 Well, we feel he's been kidnapped 325 00:22:52,733 --> 00:22:54,583 by someone who just merely wanted a child, 326 00:22:54,575 --> 00:22:58,015 not a ransom or anything else, just a child. 327 00:22:58,018 --> 00:23:01,018 [ Dramatic music plays ] 328 00:23:11,391 --> 00:23:13,591 Every so often, we get a lead. 329 00:23:13,594 --> 00:23:15,524 Uh, somebody will see a recurring article 330 00:23:15,516 --> 00:23:17,476 in the newspaper or somebody will think 331 00:23:17,477 --> 00:23:19,957 of something that they hadn't thought of before 332 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,560 and will call us and give us this information 333 00:23:21,562 --> 00:23:23,002 and we'll check it out to the end. 334 00:23:23,003 --> 00:23:24,443 But we've reached dead ends 335 00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:27,254 on every lead that we've checked out so far. 336 00:23:38,098 --> 00:23:41,698 There were a lot of, uh, ladies of the night 337 00:23:41,702 --> 00:23:43,342 that said that they knew 338 00:23:43,343 --> 00:23:47,633 that this one person had cut him up into little pieces 339 00:23:47,628 --> 00:23:50,868 and dumped him into the sewer system, I think. 340 00:23:50,871 --> 00:23:55,521 Then there was a -- a man who felt sorry for us 341 00:23:55,516 --> 00:23:59,076 and thought we needed to have closure. 342 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:03,279 So he confessed to burying Steve up on the hills. 343 00:24:03,283 --> 00:24:09,333 And the backhoes went out and dug and dug and nothing. 344 00:24:09,329 --> 00:24:12,929 Each of these things would bring up a bit of news 345 00:24:12,933 --> 00:24:16,983 and it would, you know, flash into the headlines again, 346 00:24:16,977 --> 00:24:20,497 but it was very short-lived and upsetting. 347 00:24:22,783 --> 00:24:25,593 There were times we had to send the kids someplace else 348 00:24:25,586 --> 00:24:28,626 because it got so bad. 349 00:24:28,629 --> 00:24:31,109 We didn't want them to think of their brother 350 00:24:31,111 --> 00:24:32,471 being chopped up into pie-- 351 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:33,752 I mean, you just don't -- 352 00:24:33,754 --> 00:24:37,564 you don't tell a 5- or 6-year-old 353 00:24:37,558 --> 00:24:40,038 that that could've happened. 354 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,120 You know, it just terrifies them. 355 00:24:43,123 --> 00:24:46,813 They were terrified enough as it was. 356 00:24:46,807 --> 00:24:48,647 CORY: I have one early memory, 357 00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:50,289 and that was after Steven disappeared. 358 00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:54,620 And that was me asking my grandmother 359 00:24:54,615 --> 00:24:56,935 what happened to Steven, I guess. 360 00:24:56,937 --> 00:24:58,337 But I was elbowed by my other sister, 361 00:24:58,338 --> 00:25:01,818 Jody, um, to shut up. 362 00:25:01,822 --> 00:25:06,512 I think it went from oldest to youngest to be elbowed 363 00:25:06,507 --> 00:25:08,027 whenever we asked any questions. 364 00:25:08,028 --> 00:25:11,428 So we learned not to ask anything. 365 00:25:11,431 --> 00:25:13,031 My parents were upset enough, 366 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:14,723 which of course my older brother, 367 00:25:14,715 --> 00:25:16,595 Cary, would know that, 368 00:25:16,597 --> 00:25:18,557 because he was, you know, seven years older than me. 369 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,159 So he was a pre-teen when Steven disappeared. 370 00:25:21,161 --> 00:25:24,931 So he understood it more than we did, or I did especially. 371 00:25:27,808 --> 00:25:29,808 I think Cary might have, uh, 372 00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:32,850 had hard feelings with Steven being gone. 373 00:25:34,935 --> 00:25:39,455 It's really hard to say because he didn't talk about it. 374 00:25:39,459 --> 00:25:41,859 What do you do when you're also 375 00:25:41,862 --> 00:25:45,192 the oldest of five kids and one of them disappears? 376 00:25:45,185 --> 00:25:47,065 Go to bed, Cary. 377 00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:49,187 Can I just ask one thing? 378 00:25:49,189 --> 00:25:51,149 Damn it, Cary, go to bed! 379 00:25:51,151 --> 00:25:53,951 Get out of here. 380 00:25:56,877 --> 00:25:58,357 Yeah. 381 00:25:58,478 --> 00:25:59,998 Okay. 382 00:26:02,803 --> 00:26:04,613 [ Chuckles ] Okay. 383 00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:06,365 My name is Todd Andrews. 384 00:26:06,366 --> 00:26:10,126 I played Cary Stayner at 18 years old 385 00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:12,930 in Part 2 of the miniseries 386 00:26:12,933 --> 00:26:15,143 "I Know My First Name is Steven." 387 00:26:15,135 --> 00:26:16,695 Cary, no! 388 00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:20,779 -Who told you you could do that? -TVM CARY: No one -- 389 00:26:20,781 --> 00:26:22,501 You almost painted over Stevie's name, you idiot! 390 00:26:22,503 --> 00:26:24,343 He was just trying to help, for God's sake. 391 00:26:24,344 --> 00:26:26,314 I didn't tell you you could paint. 392 00:26:40,761 --> 00:26:43,761 "I don't know if he was mean. 393 00:26:43,764 --> 00:26:48,534 He wasn't the dad that he was before. 394 00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:51,449 Before Steve disappeared, I always thought my dad 395 00:26:51,451 --> 00:26:54,981 was like the Rock of Gibraltar. 396 00:26:54,975 --> 00:26:57,895 Never trembled at all. 397 00:26:57,898 --> 00:27:05,428 All of the sudden, this one day, December 4, 1972, 398 00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:08,305 my little brother is gone, 399 00:27:08,308 --> 00:27:13,068 my dad crying all of a sudden." 400 00:27:16,436 --> 00:27:22,116 "Never saw my dad have a tear in his eye in my whole life." 401 00:27:23,323 --> 00:27:29,253 "And all of a sudden, life changed." 402 00:27:29,249 --> 00:27:31,889 I just keep thinking, 403 00:27:31,892 --> 00:27:36,702 if I'd ever had the time to play catch with him, 404 00:27:36,697 --> 00:27:38,777 maybe he wouldn't have been out there 405 00:27:38,779 --> 00:27:40,219 playing ball all by himself. 406 00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:22,540 [ Sniffles ] 407 00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:33,110 [ Somber music plays ] 408 00:28:33,113 --> 00:28:35,243 CORY: My dad was very emotional, 409 00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:39,435 always very emotional about it. 410 00:28:39,439 --> 00:28:41,359 KAY: Dell was the one who was -- 411 00:28:41,361 --> 00:28:44,811 said that he had been killed. 412 00:28:44,805 --> 00:28:46,205 Drive around the Hills, 413 00:28:46,206 --> 00:28:48,766 and he would look at freshly dug ground. 414 00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:50,609 Always looking for graves. 415 00:28:53,053 --> 00:28:58,983 He would become very upset, very angry. 416 00:28:58,979 --> 00:29:03,339 If we were going someplace, 417 00:29:03,343 --> 00:29:05,313 he saw something in the back seat of a car, 418 00:29:05,305 --> 00:29:06,985 he would follow the car. 419 00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:14,270 It effects every aspect of your life. 420 00:29:21,441 --> 00:29:24,481 DIRECTOR: What's your impression of what your grandmother 421 00:29:24,484 --> 00:29:27,454 and grandfather had to go through? 422 00:29:27,447 --> 00:29:29,207 I could not... 423 00:29:29,209 --> 00:29:33,289 No. I couldn't imagine it. 424 00:29:33,293 --> 00:29:35,183 I think the only thing that got them through it 425 00:29:35,175 --> 00:29:37,175 was that they had other children. 426 00:29:37,177 --> 00:29:39,257 So they kind of had to push. 427 00:29:39,259 --> 00:29:41,779 I think there was a certain point 428 00:29:41,782 --> 00:29:45,152 where you just have to, like, kind of put a straight face on 429 00:29:45,145 --> 00:29:49,465 and continue with your life, 430 00:29:49,469 --> 00:29:51,389 because it will kill you if you don't. 431 00:29:53,594 --> 00:29:58,604 If I had thought the worst, then it would be over. 432 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:00,439 There's no hope. 433 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,530 The only good part about him being missing 434 00:30:04,525 --> 00:30:07,925 is there was always hope that he would be found. 435 00:30:18,378 --> 00:30:20,978 KHAMOOR: Christmas vacation morning, Steven pedaled up 436 00:30:20,981 --> 00:30:23,861 on his new bike and we're like, "Oh, cool. New bike." 437 00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,314 "Yeah. My dad got me that." 438 00:30:25,305 --> 00:30:27,505 And I so clearly said, I have this memory, 439 00:30:27,508 --> 00:30:31,028 "Oh, did you get to see any of your family over vacation? 440 00:30:31,031 --> 00:30:32,471 Did you get to see your mom 441 00:30:32,472 --> 00:30:34,522 or did you get any presents from anybody?" 442 00:30:34,515 --> 00:30:38,475 And he just looked at me so serious and so direct 443 00:30:38,478 --> 00:30:41,598 and said, "My mom doesn't know I exist." 444 00:30:41,602 --> 00:30:44,612 And there was a pay phone on the store bench, 445 00:30:44,605 --> 00:30:47,685 and it was, "Oh, let's pool our coins. 446 00:30:47,688 --> 00:30:49,048 Why don't you call her?" 447 00:30:49,049 --> 00:30:52,369 And he said "I couldn't do that." 448 00:30:52,372 --> 00:30:55,342 LORI: We had been drinking beers, and we were walking home. 449 00:30:55,335 --> 00:30:57,975 There was a big group of us walking home. 450 00:30:57,978 --> 00:30:59,618 And he started crying. 451 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:03,300 And I remember Donnie asking him what was wrong. 452 00:31:03,303 --> 00:31:05,993 And Steven said, "I want to go home." 453 00:31:05,986 --> 00:31:07,746 And I said, "Well, you live right over here. 454 00:31:07,748 --> 00:31:09,508 I mean, it's not that far home." 455 00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:12,550 And he's like, "No, I want to go home to my real home." 456 00:31:12,553 --> 00:31:15,043 I mean, we didn't know. 457 00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:20,279 LORI: I feel like when Steve said that, 458 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,080 that he was reaching out a little bit, 459 00:31:22,082 --> 00:31:25,052 that he didn't want to come right out and say, 460 00:31:25,045 --> 00:31:27,605 "Hey, I'd been kidnapped so many years ago. 461 00:31:27,608 --> 00:31:29,768 I'd love to see my mom and dad." 462 00:31:33,493 --> 00:31:36,303 I know Steve was a happy kid 463 00:31:36,296 --> 00:31:38,056 when it came to being our friends 464 00:31:38,058 --> 00:31:40,738 and hanging out with us and living life. 465 00:31:40,741 --> 00:31:44,021 What happened behind closed doors, he didn't share with us, 466 00:31:44,024 --> 00:31:47,194 so I didn't know that part of it until it all came out. 467 00:31:57,437 --> 00:31:59,157 "Yeah, he told me." 468 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,520 "No, not often. 469 00:32:01,522 --> 00:32:04,362 No, I didn't have to be reminded." 470 00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:16,343 [ Somber music plays ] 471 00:32:22,062 --> 00:32:25,952 He had kind of like a, you know, 472 00:32:25,946 --> 00:32:28,466 I guess V-shaped body, you know? 473 00:32:28,468 --> 00:32:30,028 I'm sure he grew up to be 474 00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:33,030 a really, you know, handsome, strong man. 475 00:32:33,033 --> 00:32:37,243 But I-I do have this memory of just the way that he walked. 476 00:32:37,237 --> 00:32:39,637 And he was just -- 477 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,520 There was a stiffness to it, 478 00:32:41,522 --> 00:32:44,852 like just the way he held his body. 479 00:32:44,845 --> 00:32:47,645 [ Voice breaking ] It just makes me so sad 480 00:32:47,648 --> 00:32:52,688 to think that, you know, he was in pain, you know? 481 00:32:52,693 --> 00:32:55,583 It was hard to walk right. 482 00:32:59,139 --> 00:33:02,299 Just that, you know, you see somebody, 483 00:33:02,302 --> 00:33:04,592 and just the way they hold themselves... 484 00:33:11,391 --> 00:33:14,921 Hey, uh, hey, why don't we get out of here, guys? 485 00:33:14,915 --> 00:33:17,075 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 486 00:33:17,077 --> 00:33:18,637 You like motorcycles, Pete? 487 00:33:18,639 --> 00:33:20,359 TVM PETE: Yeah, sure. 488 00:33:22,683 --> 00:33:24,443 Come on, Pete. 489 00:33:24,444 --> 00:33:29,214 He didn't want the rest of us to know what was going on. 490 00:33:29,209 --> 00:33:33,529 And so he, you know, he put -- he -- he put on a strong face 491 00:33:33,534 --> 00:33:35,144 and a good front and -- 492 00:33:35,135 --> 00:33:37,215 and I think it was for self-protection. 493 00:33:45,265 --> 00:33:47,425 Looking back on it, 494 00:33:47,427 --> 00:33:50,827 I still feel guilty 495 00:33:50,831 --> 00:33:54,071 that I didn't pick up on a clue. 496 00:33:56,597 --> 00:34:01,917 And I wish I had. 497 00:34:05,566 --> 00:34:10,926 LORI: Parnell felt Dennis was too close to us. 498 00:34:10,931 --> 00:34:13,571 Dennis trusted us. He trusted our parents. 499 00:34:13,574 --> 00:34:15,384 He trusted the teachers. 500 00:34:15,375 --> 00:34:18,455 And I feel like Parnell knew that he was gonna get exposed 501 00:34:18,458 --> 00:34:20,378 if he didn't move on. 502 00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:23,820 It was time to, yes, move on from Comptche. 503 00:34:28,228 --> 00:34:30,068 KUZMA: People like Ken Parnell, 504 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:35,640 they go to rural communities like Comptche to hide out. 505 00:34:36,997 --> 00:34:39,477 And so it wasn't surprising 506 00:34:39,479 --> 00:34:42,239 that he moved from here down to Point Arena 507 00:34:42,242 --> 00:34:47,412 because it was yet another place where he could be invisible. 508 00:34:49,489 --> 00:34:51,689 LORI: Steve was secluded out in the middle of nowhere 509 00:34:51,692 --> 00:34:54,582 in a one-room shack. 510 00:34:54,575 --> 00:34:58,015 He went from living with a bedroom in a house and friends, 511 00:34:58,018 --> 00:35:02,698 to no access to the outside world anymore. 512 00:35:02,703 --> 00:35:05,753 PARNELL: Come down to Ukiah with me Friday. 513 00:35:05,746 --> 00:35:07,866 You can help me do something I need to do. 514 00:35:07,868 --> 00:35:10,468 Early baseball try-outs are on Friday. 515 00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:15,280 Well, what I have to do has to be done on Friday. 516 00:35:16,917 --> 00:35:19,517 "Oh, I forgot to mention, this Kmart store, 517 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,560 on several occasions, Parnell tried to pick up a boy." 518 00:35:24,965 --> 00:35:26,205 "Tried to get me to help him." 519 00:35:29,369 --> 00:35:30,449 "No, I never got involved. 520 00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:32,570 I would never do anything." 521 00:35:34,414 --> 00:35:36,464 "Oh, I didn't say anything. 522 00:35:36,456 --> 00:35:38,336 I just told him I wouldn't help." 523 00:35:44,264 --> 00:35:47,074 Yes, I remember hearing it on the news. 524 00:35:47,067 --> 00:35:51,467 Another little boy taken on his way home from school. 525 00:35:51,471 --> 00:35:54,961 Timmy disappeared from Ukiah on Valentine's Day. 526 00:35:54,955 --> 00:35:56,435 KUZMA: It was a big story. 527 00:35:56,436 --> 00:35:58,236 We all heard about it. 528 00:35:58,238 --> 00:36:00,398 You can't help but pay attention to that sort of thing. 529 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,400 [ Dramatic music plays ] 530 00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:11,210 Happy Valentine's Day. 531 00:36:16,617 --> 00:36:18,457 This is your new little brother. 532 00:36:18,458 --> 00:36:20,898 LORI: When Timmy was brought there, 533 00:36:20,901 --> 00:36:23,741 Steve knew it was all bad. 534 00:36:23,744 --> 00:36:27,114 He just didn't want what had happened to him 535 00:36:27,107 --> 00:36:30,947 in his younger years to happen to this little boy. 536 00:36:30,951 --> 00:36:35,201 He knew what Parnell was capable of, obviously. 537 00:36:35,195 --> 00:36:36,635 Look, Timmy... 538 00:36:36,637 --> 00:36:38,757 are you old enough to keep your mouth shut? 539 00:36:38,759 --> 00:36:40,479 About what? 540 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,280 About whatever I tell you to keep your mouth shut about. 541 00:36:43,283 --> 00:36:44,853 Are you? 542 00:36:44,845 --> 00:36:47,845 [ Electronic music plays ] 543 00:36:57,417 --> 00:37:00,617 "When we first started, he wanted to walk. 544 00:37:00,621 --> 00:37:04,911 And I said 'It's 39 miles. 545 00:37:04,905 --> 00:37:06,265 We're not gonna make it there 546 00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:08,506 before Parnell comes back if we walk.'" 547 00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:13,150 [ Horn honks ] 548 00:37:13,153 --> 00:37:15,523 LORI: The night that he did it, it was raining. 549 00:37:15,516 --> 00:37:18,436 It was stormy, it was windy, it was nighttime, 550 00:37:18,438 --> 00:37:21,238 in the middle of nowhere. 551 00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:26,571 And it's a long road from Point Arena to get to Ukiah. 552 00:37:26,567 --> 00:37:29,167 I mean, it's treacherous. 553 00:37:29,169 --> 00:37:33,329 And he hitchhiked. He took off with this child. 554 00:37:36,376 --> 00:37:37,816 NEMIC: "We got about a mile up the road 555 00:37:37,818 --> 00:37:41,858 when a Mexican guy stopped, picked us up. 556 00:37:41,862 --> 00:37:44,752 Timmy sat on my lap the whole way to Ukiah. 557 00:37:44,745 --> 00:37:46,985 Never said a word." 558 00:37:46,987 --> 00:37:49,987 [ Somber music plays ] 559 00:38:16,617 --> 00:38:18,617 I know my first name is Steven. 560 00:38:22,703 --> 00:38:26,953 Well, I grew up with it as a story, you know? 561 00:38:26,947 --> 00:38:31,067 It was always told to me by somebody else. 562 00:38:31,071 --> 00:38:34,311 Never his own words, you know? 563 00:38:34,314 --> 00:38:38,924 Never seen it as his own words. 564 00:38:38,919 --> 00:38:42,719 So to actually see it and hear it, 565 00:38:42,723 --> 00:38:44,933 it's pretty emotional. 566 00:38:48,248 --> 00:38:50,448 It's a real thing. Like, it really happened. 567 00:39:00,941 --> 00:39:02,621 The quiet community of Ukiah 568 00:39:02,623 --> 00:39:05,233 has become the stage for a bizarre drama. 569 00:39:05,225 --> 00:39:06,905 A drama which was played out first 570 00:39:06,907 --> 00:39:09,667 in the nearby isolated hillsides. 571 00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:11,990 It was unusual to see a small boy 572 00:39:11,992 --> 00:39:14,962 out on the streets of Ukiah, California, last night 573 00:39:14,955 --> 00:39:16,555 at around midnight. 574 00:39:16,557 --> 00:39:19,957 I had my Walkman on, and listening to the radio. 575 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,640 And it came over one of the local radio stations 576 00:39:23,644 --> 00:39:26,014 that Timmy White had been found. 577 00:39:26,006 --> 00:39:28,446 Police recognized him as a kidnap victim, 578 00:39:28,448 --> 00:39:30,208 5-year-old Timmy White. 579 00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:33,650 The perpetrator was Kenneth Parnell. 580 00:39:33,654 --> 00:39:37,264 ...kidnapped by a man who lives in a cabin about 40 miles away. 581 00:39:37,257 --> 00:39:43,217 And the news came on that Parnell had taken Dennis, 582 00:39:43,223 --> 00:39:44,953 and that he was kidnapped. 583 00:39:44,945 --> 00:39:47,145 ANCHOR: 14-year-old Steven Stayner 584 00:39:47,147 --> 00:39:48,587 was reportedly kidnapped 585 00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:51,309 200 miles away in Merced, California, 586 00:39:51,311 --> 00:39:52,991 seven years ago. 587 00:39:52,993 --> 00:39:56,523 When I heard the names, I was -- I was dumbfounded. 588 00:39:56,517 --> 00:39:59,677 I mean, literally, our jaws hit the ground. 589 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,520 It was just a mind-blowing thing, that this went on. 590 00:40:03,524 --> 00:40:06,214 We never knew nothing. 591 00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:08,926 Nothing. 592 00:40:08,929 --> 00:40:13,249 CORY: I think it was 3:00 in the morning 593 00:40:13,253 --> 00:40:17,183 and, um, heard the doorbell ring. 594 00:40:17,177 --> 00:40:20,817 When my parents got up and answered the door, 595 00:40:20,821 --> 00:40:22,621 they thought it was about Cary. 596 00:40:23,343 --> 00:40:24,633 Hello, Kay. I know it's late. 597 00:40:24,625 --> 00:40:25,945 TVM KAY: Oh, come in. 598 00:40:25,946 --> 00:40:27,666 KAY: He said, "It's about your son." 599 00:40:27,668 --> 00:40:30,188 -TVM KAY: What happened to Cary? -No, nothing happened to Cary. 600 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:33,830 I thought it was about Cary because Cary had gone camping. 601 00:40:33,834 --> 00:40:36,044 He said, "No, no, no, no, no. 602 00:40:36,036 --> 00:40:38,316 This is about Steve." 603 00:40:38,318 --> 00:40:42,598 And I immediately decided that it was bad news. 604 00:40:42,603 --> 00:40:46,653 I just sort of collapsed. 605 00:40:47,287 --> 00:40:49,207 What about Stevie? 606 00:40:49,209 --> 00:40:54,169 Dell got up, came out, and "Well, is he okay? 607 00:40:54,174 --> 00:40:55,904 Did you -- Where -- Where is he?" 608 00:40:55,896 --> 00:41:00,856 And when Tony said he's at the police station in Ukiah, 609 00:41:00,861 --> 00:41:03,261 I was flabbergasted. 610 00:41:05,506 --> 00:41:08,066 We wanted to go up and get him immediately. 611 00:41:08,068 --> 00:41:10,188 They said, "No, no, no, you can't do that," 612 00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:14,230 because they had to go through a lot of police investigation. 613 00:41:14,234 --> 00:41:16,924 They did an interview in Ukiah with Steven. 614 00:41:16,917 --> 00:41:19,077 And that's how we first saw Steven. 615 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,679 Saw what he looked like. 616 00:41:26,887 --> 00:41:28,327 ANCHOR: Merced detectives asked Steven 617 00:41:28,328 --> 00:41:30,088 not to talk about his own case, 618 00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:32,050 but he did tell us how he and Timmy hitchhiked 619 00:41:32,052 --> 00:41:35,382 from the Mendocino coast to Ukiah last night. 620 00:41:35,375 --> 00:41:39,215 So I started heading east, 621 00:41:39,219 --> 00:41:42,699 and that's how I found the police department. 622 00:41:44,665 --> 00:41:53,265 And I sto-- I took Tim to the police department 623 00:41:53,273 --> 00:41:56,123 and told him to go inside and tell them his name. 624 00:41:59,279 --> 00:42:02,719 KAY: I had all this hope for all these years, 625 00:42:02,723 --> 00:42:07,973 and at the end, I had decided it was gonna be bad news. 626 00:42:07,968 --> 00:42:12,448 But it wasn't. And it was a hell of a day. 627 00:42:12,452 --> 00:42:15,422 ANCHOR: Timmy, are you and Steve good friends now? 628 00:42:15,415 --> 00:42:17,095 Yeah. 629 00:42:18,539 --> 00:42:21,299 I kinda got to like Timmy. 630 00:42:22,222 --> 00:42:25,672 [ Laughter ] 631 00:42:25,666 --> 00:42:28,026 ANCHOR: Steven Stayner will now head home to a reunion 632 00:42:28,028 --> 00:42:29,468 with his own parents in Merced, 633 00:42:29,469 --> 00:42:32,549 whom he hasn't seen for 7 1/2 years. 634 00:42:32,553 --> 00:42:34,113 DELL: I feel great. 635 00:42:34,114 --> 00:42:36,644 I'm nervous but great. 636 00:42:36,637 --> 00:42:39,637 I have a funny feeling in my stomach. 637 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,840 ANCHOR: What makes you so nervous now? 638 00:42:41,842 --> 00:42:44,002 I have to meet him. 639 00:42:44,004 --> 00:42:46,374 It's scary. 640 00:42:46,366 --> 00:42:48,086 We haven't seen him for seven years. 641 00:42:48,088 --> 00:42:49,768 He's gonna be different. 642 00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:51,850 He's a man almost. 643 00:42:51,852 --> 00:42:54,412 And we're gonna have to change. 644 00:42:54,414 --> 00:42:56,624 [ Police radio chatter ] 645 00:43:03,504 --> 00:43:07,034 I don't even remember going to sleep the next night. 646 00:43:07,027 --> 00:43:08,507 Steven didn't get home until 647 00:43:08,509 --> 00:43:12,709 like 1:00 in the morning the next night. 648 00:43:12,713 --> 00:43:14,273 If I remember right. 649 00:43:15,355 --> 00:43:17,915 [ Crowd clamoring ] 650 00:43:31,251 --> 00:43:33,851 KAY: What more can you ask for? 651 00:43:33,854 --> 00:43:35,624 He came home. 652 00:43:35,616 --> 00:43:38,616 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 653 00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:55,240 There was probably a couple hundred people on our street. 654 00:43:55,235 --> 00:44:00,315 All friends, neighbors, people we didn't even know. 655 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,720 CORY: We had a lot of people in that house. 656 00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:04,772 I'd never seen such a crowd. 657 00:44:04,765 --> 00:44:07,405 And then he was introduced to all of us, uh, 658 00:44:07,407 --> 00:44:09,407 right in the street. 659 00:44:12,653 --> 00:44:14,253 It was emotional. 660 00:44:20,701 --> 00:44:23,221 And of course, you know, "Yeah, I remember Cory," 661 00:44:23,223 --> 00:44:24,593 and, uh, you know, 662 00:44:24,585 --> 00:44:27,105 kind of patted me on the head or something. 663 00:44:27,107 --> 00:44:28,307 It was funny. 664 00:44:28,308 --> 00:44:30,908 I was like, "Okay, 665 00:44:30,911 --> 00:44:32,951 still the little pain in the butt sister." 666 00:44:37,477 --> 00:44:39,797 His story was a miracle. 667 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,960 There was no other really miracles like that back then. 668 00:44:44,284 --> 00:44:47,414 KAY: Good news stories are not happening very often. 669 00:44:47,407 --> 00:44:50,847 Even back then they didn't. 670 00:44:50,851 --> 00:44:55,141 Every news outlet around was there, I think. 671 00:44:55,135 --> 00:44:58,575 I was just so happy that he was safe. 672 00:45:01,381 --> 00:45:04,751 Not totally unharmed, but at least safe. 673 00:45:04,745 --> 00:45:07,025 ANCHOR: As he walked through the door, Steven said, 674 00:45:07,027 --> 00:45:10,347 "Please, I want to be alone with my family." 675 00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:13,310 He was was scared spitless. 676 00:45:13,313 --> 00:45:15,643 All the TV cameras, 677 00:45:15,636 --> 00:45:18,796 and we had news people up on our roof 678 00:45:18,799 --> 00:45:21,199 shooting pictures through the windows. 679 00:45:21,201 --> 00:45:25,291 And it was -- it was mayhem. 680 00:45:25,285 --> 00:45:30,925 I wanted to share Steve's homecoming with the world. 681 00:45:30,931 --> 00:45:36,061 I wanted to share the happiness that we had, 682 00:45:36,056 --> 00:45:38,176 the good outcome. 683 00:45:38,178 --> 00:45:41,258 But then that had a -- had a bad side too. 684 00:45:41,261 --> 00:45:43,101 ANCHOR: This morning, Steven and his mom and dad 685 00:45:43,103 --> 00:45:46,153 appeared before the press to face a barrage of questions. 686 00:45:46,146 --> 00:45:48,666 REPORTER: Can you tell us about the cabin that you lived at? 687 00:45:48,669 --> 00:45:51,789 It was just a one-room cabin... 688 00:45:51,792 --> 00:45:54,312 ANCHOR: And told reporters that the memory of his parents 689 00:45:54,314 --> 00:45:56,044 never went away. 690 00:45:56,036 --> 00:46:01,196 I remember quite a bit about them, since I was 7. 691 00:46:01,201 --> 00:46:05,691 I tried to remember as much as I could about them over the years. 692 00:46:05,686 --> 00:46:07,006 REPORTER: So you might have shown up here 693 00:46:07,007 --> 00:46:08,847 without the help of the police? 694 00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:10,009 Yes. 695 00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:11,450 KAY: It was scary. 696 00:46:11,451 --> 00:46:13,891 It was just absolutely terrifying for him. 697 00:46:13,894 --> 00:46:16,144 ANCHOR: Policemen stood by Steven's side today, 698 00:46:16,136 --> 00:46:18,576 refusing to let him go into details 699 00:46:18,579 --> 00:46:20,899 about the seven years he spent with Parnell. 700 00:46:20,901 --> 00:46:23,061 REPORTER: Did you believe your family didn't want you? 701 00:46:23,063 --> 00:46:24,873 OFFICER: Don't answer that. 702 00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:27,265 I can't answer that. 703 00:46:27,267 --> 00:46:29,547 CORY: People want interviews. 704 00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:30,950 It's nerve wracking. 705 00:46:30,951 --> 00:46:32,591 Another interview, another interview, 706 00:46:32,593 --> 00:46:36,723 another, I mean, it was nonstop and it didn't stop. 707 00:46:36,717 --> 00:46:38,957 ASHLEY: When the media gets a hold of something 708 00:46:38,959 --> 00:46:42,079 that is a good story, 709 00:46:42,082 --> 00:46:43,722 you don't know how they'll take it 710 00:46:43,724 --> 00:46:45,414 or how they'll run with it. 711 00:47:07,628 --> 00:47:10,628 [ Somber music plays ] 712 00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:15,300 At first, it was smiles and laughter -- a good feeling. 713 00:48:15,295 --> 00:48:17,295 KAY: That's when the media started getting 714 00:48:17,297 --> 00:48:19,817 more mean about it. 715 00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:24,060 I'd been hoping that people would just forget. 716 00:48:24,064 --> 00:48:26,794 A lot of other kids were jealous of the attention. 717 00:48:26,787 --> 00:48:29,147 My older brother, Cary, was off. 718 00:48:29,149 --> 00:48:32,069 KAY: There's a lot of things I wish we'd done differently. 719 00:48:32,072 --> 00:48:34,922 There's another twist in that story. 720 00:48:34,915 --> 00:48:37,315 Terrible things start all up again. 721 00:48:37,317 --> 00:48:40,917 A fourth woman was killed near Yosemite Park last week. 722 00:48:40,921 --> 00:48:42,521 MAN: When he opened the trunk of the car, 723 00:48:42,523 --> 00:48:44,933 there were two burned bodies. 724 00:48:44,925 --> 00:48:47,685 MAN #2: It's no longer the story you thought it was. 725 00:48:47,688 --> 00:48:49,568 REPORTER: Many are trying to find answers 726 00:48:49,570 --> 00:48:51,610 to the haunting question "Why?" 727 00:48:51,612 --> 00:48:55,302 The monster that did that was your own family. 728 00:48:55,295 --> 00:48:56,935 KAY: You got to get the whole story. 729 00:48:56,937 --> 00:48:58,337 There are many sides to it. 730 00:48:58,338 --> 00:48:59,978 Many, many, many sides. 52546

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