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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,260 Welcome to the White House, everybody. 2 00:00:03,260 --> 00:00:04,860 Tonight, it is my great pleasure 3 00:00:04,860 --> 00:00:09,940 to present America's highest award for popular music 4 00:00:09,940 --> 00:00:13,420 to a living legend, Carole King. 5 00:00:13,420 --> 00:00:16,860 She's passionate. As a musician, she's brilliant. 6 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:20,500 As a songwriter, she's brilliant 7 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:25,300 and intellectually, she's right at the top. 8 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:29,540 I think she's one of the greatest American songwriters of our time. 9 00:00:29,540 --> 00:00:34,740 And her voice touches us because it's honest. 10 00:00:34,740 --> 00:00:39,620 By the age of four, Carole was already mastering the piano. 11 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:43,980 By 15, she'd already conducted her first orchestra. 12 00:00:43,980 --> 00:00:48,980 By 17, she'd already written her first number-one hit, 13 00:00:48,980 --> 00:00:52,700 Will You Love Me Tomorrow, with Gerry Goffin. 14 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:56,260 So at this point, all of you are feeling like underachievers, I understand. 15 00:00:56,260 --> 00:00:57,900 LAUGHTER 16 00:00:57,900 --> 00:01:03,580 She really has her finger on the pulse of, er...of human emotions. 17 00:01:03,580 --> 00:01:07,860 And she can paint them in a song. 18 00:01:07,860 --> 00:01:10,580 And then, in 1971 came the biggest break of all 19 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:12,340 when she showed the world that 20 00:01:12,340 --> 00:01:15,460 she couldn't just write hit songs, she could sing them, too. 21 00:01:15,460 --> 00:01:19,580 If Carole had never written a song after that era, 22 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:23,220 she would still be a legend. 23 00:01:23,220 --> 00:01:24,740 If Tapestry had never happened, 24 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:27,860 she'd be one of the most important people in rock'n'roll history. 25 00:01:27,860 --> 00:01:32,220 So the fact that she pulled off that whole other career, you know, 26 00:01:32,220 --> 00:01:35,660 er...is just mindboggling. 27 00:01:35,660 --> 00:01:37,700 Nobody else has done what she's done. 28 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:43,500 Her album, Tapestry, struck a chord with a whole new legion of fans. 29 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:46,140 Carole has written more than 400 compositions 30 00:01:46,140 --> 00:01:49,980 that have been recorded by over 1,000 artists, 31 00:01:49,980 --> 00:01:52,820 resulting in over 100 hits. 32 00:01:52,820 --> 00:01:55,980 As Carole tells it, the secret to her success is that, 33 00:01:55,980 --> 00:01:57,940 "I try to get out of the way 34 00:01:57,940 --> 00:02:02,140 "and let the process be guided by whatever is driving me." 35 00:02:02,140 --> 00:02:04,700 That's what makes her songs so personal 36 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:06,660 and so powerful. So enduring. 37 00:02:06,660 --> 00:02:10,020 She has a quality of... 38 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:14,100 sympathy and..and...normalcy, 39 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:18,460 but in fact, it's accompanied by also a quality of genius. 40 00:02:18,460 --> 00:02:19,980 Carole King. 41 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:21,780 RAPTUROUS APPLAUSE 42 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:35,460 You've got to get up every morning 43 00:02:35,460 --> 00:02:37,420 With a smile on your face 44 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:41,060 And show the world all the love in your heart 45 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:45,620 Then people going to treat you better 46 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:48,700 You're going to find, yes, you will 47 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:55,700 That you're beautiful as you feel. 48 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:58,180 APPLAUSE 49 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:08,660 My mother had a piano, you know, right from before I was born. 50 00:03:08,660 --> 00:03:11,660 And so I was able to play it 51 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:15,340 and work on it by ear and write little ditties. 52 00:03:15,340 --> 00:03:18,460 But my mother also had been trained in piano, 53 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:21,900 so she trained me so I knew how to read music, as well. 54 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:23,140 I know some music theory. 55 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:30,860 My mother and father both were supportive and were can-do people. 56 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:34,020 I just started writing little tunes 57 00:03:34,020 --> 00:03:37,660 and then when rock'n'roll was being born with Alan Freed, 58 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:41,300 I was hearing the music and thinking, "I could do that!" 59 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:44,820 Every high school in Brooklyn during the '50s had a rock'n'roll group. 60 00:03:44,820 --> 00:03:47,180 They were all over the place. They were proliferating. 61 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:49,660 Danny and the Juniors were singing in the Bronx 62 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:51,660 and Neil Sedaka at that time with The Tokens, 63 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:53,420 was singing out of Lincoln High School. 64 00:03:53,420 --> 00:03:55,540 Well, there must have been something in the water 65 00:03:55,540 --> 00:03:59,300 but a lot of people have achieved fame or notoriety 66 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:02,540 as songwriters and singers and recording artists. 67 00:04:02,540 --> 00:04:05,740 Barbra Streisand grew up in Brooklyn around the same time. 68 00:04:05,740 --> 00:04:07,260 Neil Diamond, Neil Sedaka, 69 00:04:07,260 --> 00:04:09,860 though I didn't know any of them except Neil Sedaka. 70 00:04:09,860 --> 00:04:11,460 We started the Cosines, 71 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:15,140 which I believe she got the idea for in junior high school. 72 00:04:15,140 --> 00:04:19,340 The name of the quartet, it was so imaginative, the Cosines. 73 00:04:19,340 --> 00:04:21,660 And we were taking trigonometry at the time. 74 00:04:21,660 --> 00:04:25,020 We performed at school dances and parties. 75 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:27,620 Anywhere we kind of had a chance 76 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:29,540 or, you know, school shows. 77 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:31,700 She was the singer, she was the writer, 78 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:34,220 she was the piano player for the group. 79 00:04:34,220 --> 00:04:37,300 And she wanted this. 80 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:38,860 She wanted this as a career. 81 00:04:38,860 --> 00:04:41,660 In those days, you could be a kid, as Carole was, 82 00:04:41,660 --> 00:04:43,860 16 years old, coming from Brooklyn, 83 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:48,260 you could be a kid and go into 1650 Broadway or into the Brill Building, 84 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:49,980 one of the two buildings people think of 85 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:52,420 when they're talking about the Brill Building Sound. 86 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:55,100 And I'd always been fascinated by that culture, 87 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:59,020 which is to say an office building in New York City, in Times Square, 88 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:02,380 that used to be where the Tin Pan Alley songwriters 89 00:05:02,380 --> 00:05:04,980 came in the '20s to sell their songs. 90 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:10,540 And now, in the '50s, was taken over by kids, teenagers, a lot of them, 91 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:12,700 to create the new sound of rock'n'roll. 92 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:15,340 You could knock on a door, you could get a producer 93 00:05:15,340 --> 00:05:18,020 or someone in the business to listen to your song. 94 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:20,340 There were pianos in all those offices. 95 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:22,820 She came in, she played her piano for people. 96 00:05:22,820 --> 00:05:26,180 And they'd hear the song and they'd think, "OK, I can sell that song." 97 00:05:26,180 --> 00:05:29,060 And I was in the waiting room and there was this kid there. 98 00:05:29,060 --> 00:05:32,380 She looked like she was about 15 years old, in jeans. 99 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:34,340 And I started to talk with her. 100 00:05:34,340 --> 00:05:38,020 And I thought to myself, "God, this girl is so confident." 101 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:41,020 And I said to myself, "If this girl has talent, 102 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:43,060 "she's going to be a huge star." 103 00:05:43,060 --> 00:05:44,980 And it happened to be Carole. 104 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:47,140 She was simply being paid to write songs 105 00:05:47,140 --> 00:05:49,140 for top groups that needed songs. 106 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:52,220 Because in those days, there were very few singer/songwriters. 107 00:05:52,220 --> 00:05:55,340 That phenomenon had not yet really occurred. 108 00:05:55,340 --> 00:05:58,060 It was made-to-order song writing. 109 00:05:58,060 --> 00:06:00,700 You were either writing for a specific artist 110 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:03,380 or you were writing a song that the publisher 111 00:06:03,380 --> 00:06:06,260 you were working for would go out and shop 112 00:06:06,260 --> 00:06:08,020 to various singers. 113 00:06:08,020 --> 00:06:11,740 There was a breakdown in those days 114 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:14,540 between who wrote the song and who sang it. 115 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:18,020 There's a lot of things I want 116 00:06:18,020 --> 00:06:22,100 A lot of things that I'd like to be 117 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:32,980 But, girl, I don't foresee a rags-to-riches story... 118 00:06:32,980 --> 00:06:35,940 I was going to be a teacher and marry some nice doctor. 119 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:39,020 Instead, I married Gerry Goffin. 120 00:06:39,020 --> 00:06:41,980 There's just one little dream 121 00:06:41,980 --> 00:06:44,420 I've got to make come true 122 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:47,420 There's just one round I've got to win 123 00:06:47,420 --> 00:06:51,900 I can't be a loser with you 124 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:57,940 Baby, baby, just once in my life 125 00:06:57,940 --> 00:07:00,340 Let me get what I want... 126 00:07:00,340 --> 00:07:01,980 He definitely came at a time in my life 127 00:07:01,980 --> 00:07:04,260 when I needed somebody to write better lyrics than, 128 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:06,940 "Baby, baby, baby, baby sitting." 129 00:07:06,940 --> 00:07:09,620 There's a myth we used to write in the Brill Building. 130 00:07:09,620 --> 00:07:11,660 We actually wrote in 1650 Broadway. 131 00:07:11,660 --> 00:07:14,100 Aldon Music was a music-publishing company 132 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:16,420 that was started by two fellas. 133 00:07:16,420 --> 00:07:18,820 Don Kirshner and Al Nevins. 134 00:07:18,820 --> 00:07:21,780 So the name is Al and Don together. 135 00:07:21,780 --> 00:07:24,660 And they built up such a great reputation. 136 00:07:24,660 --> 00:07:28,700 Don Kirshner was the best publisher that I've ever come across. 137 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:31,340 And their company became so powerful 138 00:07:31,340 --> 00:07:34,900 that he would get record companies to promise him 139 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:38,140 the backside of a record just to get our material. 140 00:07:38,140 --> 00:07:39,980 In those days, records had two sides. 141 00:07:39,980 --> 00:07:42,460 That's right. There were things called records, too. 142 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:45,260 I forgot that! They had two sides. Right. 143 00:07:45,260 --> 00:07:47,620 Donny Kirshner, who was a great publisher 144 00:07:47,620 --> 00:07:52,460 who had a really good ear, um...that group of writers, 145 00:07:52,460 --> 00:07:55,540 Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil, Howie Greenfield, 146 00:07:55,540 --> 00:07:57,460 Neil Sedaka, Carole, Gerry, 147 00:07:57,460 --> 00:08:00,460 and some others in that group, 148 00:08:00,460 --> 00:08:05,180 they had 36 top-ten records in three years. 149 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:07,860 All of us then were fans of American music 150 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:11,420 and would study every detail of the label. 151 00:08:11,420 --> 00:08:13,540 And, of course, the names Goffin and King 152 00:08:13,540 --> 00:08:15,900 kept occurring in those little brackets 153 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:18,260 under some of our very favourite songs. 154 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:22,020 Goffin and King wrote songs to order. 155 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:26,500 It was like, OK, somebody needs a hit, you write the song. 156 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:28,820 I hate the word "factory." I really hate it. 157 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:30,620 It was a songwriting school. 158 00:08:30,620 --> 00:08:32,380 You went in in the morning 159 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:36,140 and you went to your cubicle or your little office. 160 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,180 There was a piano there. 161 00:08:38,180 --> 00:08:42,940 One of you sat there and the other one jotted down some words. 162 00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:47,140 And you both sang or one of you sang and you tried to come up with songs. 163 00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:48,940 I like that but it's got to be harder. 164 00:08:48,940 --> 00:08:51,780 You know, when we write the lyrics to it, it will be different. 165 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:55,660 La-la La-la La-la La-la La-la. 166 00:08:58,300 --> 00:08:59,900 Let's sing again. 167 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:01,820 La-la La-la La-la. 168 00:09:01,820 --> 00:09:06,500 On the right side of the main room, there were about four different cubicles 169 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:09,260 and the cubicles would have an upright piano 170 00:09:09,260 --> 00:09:13,140 and a piano stool and one chair and an ashtray 171 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:15,820 because everybody smoked like crazy back then. 172 00:09:15,820 --> 00:09:19,820 And it's amazing we didn't get cancer. 173 00:09:19,820 --> 00:09:23,460 There's still time! Thank you! 174 00:09:23,460 --> 00:09:26,140 Cynthia Weil and Barry Mann, who was her husband, 175 00:09:26,140 --> 00:09:29,140 and Gerry Goffin and I, who were at that time married, 176 00:09:29,140 --> 00:09:32,940 were a pair of writing teams that wrote for Don Kirshner. 177 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:35,860 They would write a song they picked, they'd start and finish. 178 00:09:35,860 --> 00:09:38,500 There was no, let's work on it for a few days 179 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:40,260 and see what we come up with. 180 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:43,300 There was none of that. They would start, they would finish. 181 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:46,020 Some of the best songs you ever heard done in 20 minutes, 182 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:48,780 half an hour, 45 minutes. Unbelievable, you know. 183 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:51,260 It came surprisingly quickly. 184 00:09:51,260 --> 00:09:54,420 It was a craft to finish them off, 185 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:57,180 but we already had the model in front of us 186 00:09:57,180 --> 00:09:59,580 in the last hit that that artist had. 187 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:02,060 So all we had to do was catch the mood. 188 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:05,100 It wasn't too hard to do for us. 189 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:06,940 It was a lot of fun too. 190 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,180 It would be very competitive. 191 00:10:09,180 --> 00:10:12,060 With Carol and Gerry we ended up being really good friends 192 00:10:12,060 --> 00:10:15,300 but at the same time, we would be jealous of each other 193 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:18,620 if the other team got the record. 194 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:23,660 And that was very confusing to us because as friends we loved them. 195 00:10:23,660 --> 00:10:25,980 But if they got the record, we hated them! 196 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:30,420 'Will You Love Me Tomorrow' was a follow-up to a hit by The Shirelles. 197 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:33,100 Their hit was 'Tonight's The Night'. 198 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:35,260 In writing 'Will You Love me Tomorrow', 199 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:38,900 we tried to write 'Tonight's The Night' sideways and upside down, 200 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:42,980 so it had some of the same feeling and yet was a new idea. 201 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:50,020 Tonight you're mine completely 202 00:10:54,180 --> 00:11:00,980 You give your love so sweetly. 203 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:10,500 Tonight the light of love 204 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:13,620 Is in your eyes 205 00:11:16,580 --> 00:11:23,740 But will you love me tomorrow. 206 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:27,740 There's a reason why that song has lasted 207 00:11:27,740 --> 00:11:29,780 and why people keep coming back to it. 208 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:33,660 There's an extraordinary beauty in it 209 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:39,620 and a kind of emotional texture that you might not ordinarily 210 00:11:39,620 --> 00:11:42,980 hear in something you would think of as a pop hit. 211 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:47,500 We had at that time one child. That was in '61. That was Louise. 212 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:49,820 Sherry wasn't born until '62. 213 00:11:49,820 --> 00:11:53,300 Gerry was working as a chemist to support the family. 214 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:57,740 I was at home with the child. The traditional male-female roles. 215 00:11:57,740 --> 00:12:01,540 We were also writing to try and make it to free ourselves from the nine to five, 216 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:05,340 except I was still taking care of the child and the house as well. 217 00:12:06,620 --> 00:12:09,660 But that was fine. It worked out fine. 218 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:14,580 This was pre-Beatles, so a lot of pop music was bubble gum music. 219 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:17,780 And a lot of it was... I don't know. 220 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:21,860 There wasn't a lot going on in pop music and they stood out completely. 221 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:26,980 I'd like to know that your love 222 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:35,020 Is a love I can be sure of 223 00:12:35,020 --> 00:12:38,580 So tell me now 224 00:12:38,580 --> 00:12:41,700 And I won't ask again. 225 00:12:42,980 --> 00:12:47,780 Will you still love me tomorrow. 226 00:12:47,780 --> 00:12:52,820 Gerry Goffin wrote those words from a woman's perspective. 227 00:12:52,820 --> 00:12:59,100 But Carole wrote this incredibly beautiful music that has this drama 228 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:03,620 of that moment of making your sexual passage. 229 00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:06,740 So tell me now 230 00:13:06,740 --> 00:13:09,340 And I won't ask again 231 00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:15,740 Will you still love me tomorrow. 232 00:13:15,740 --> 00:13:19,100 'Will You Love Me Tomorrow' was a big hit and it went to number one 233 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:22,020 and we were delighted because then we could devote ourselves 234 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:24,060 to working on songs full-time. 235 00:13:24,060 --> 00:13:28,860 Carole's melodies are sometimes more joyful than Gerry's lyrics. 236 00:13:28,860 --> 00:13:33,140 The lyrics can sometimes have a lot of darkness in it 237 00:13:33,140 --> 00:13:36,420 that she sets off with a more optimistic melody. 238 00:13:37,780 --> 00:13:41,060 Take good care of my baby 239 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:45,420 Now don't you ever make her cry 240 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:48,980 Just let your love surround her 241 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:51,540 Paint a rainbow all around her 242 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:54,060 Don't let her see your cloudy sky 243 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:57,980 Once upon a time 244 00:13:57,980 --> 00:14:00,340 That little girl was mine. 245 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,300 If I'd been true 246 00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:05,020 I know she'd never be with you 247 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:08,980 So take good care of my baby 248 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:13,260 Be just as kind as you can be 249 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:16,860 And if you should discover 250 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:19,540 That you don't really love her 251 00:14:19,540 --> 00:14:22,260 Just send my baby 252 00:14:22,260 --> 00:14:24,700 Back home to me. 253 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:31,580 We were so into writing for other artists that after 'Take Good Care Of My Baby' was written 254 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:33,980 we liked the demo I did on it so much 255 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:36,740 that we did another demo in that mode. 256 00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:40,580 I think we were going to give that to Bobby Vee but we said no, let's put this one out. 257 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:42,780 And that was my first record as an artist 258 00:14:42,780 --> 00:14:45,180 called 'It Might As Well Rain Until September'. 259 00:14:45,180 --> 00:14:47,260 What should I write 260 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:49,300 What can I say 261 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:51,740 How can I tell you 262 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:54,620 How much I miss you 263 00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:58,740 The weather here 264 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:01,740 Has been as nice as it can be 265 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:05,780 Although it doesn't really 266 00:15:05,780 --> 00:15:08,340 Matter much to me 267 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:12,260 For all the fun I'll have 268 00:15:12,260 --> 00:15:14,820 While you're so far away 269 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:20,180 It might as well rain until September. 270 00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:26,860 We got to the point where we were spending a lot of time in the studio making demos 271 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:31,740 and I used to bring Louise to the studio in her little playpen. 272 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:33,700 And it got kind of hard to do both 273 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:36,060 so Little Eva came to stay with Louise 274 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:39,020 and people had the impression she was pushing a broom 275 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:41,140 around the kitchen one day, singing 276 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:44,820 and we heard her sing and said, "Stop! We must record that voice." 277 00:15:44,820 --> 00:15:48,660 But the fact of the matter is, we knew she could sing when she came to work for us 278 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:52,860 and it was just a matter of time before we were going to have her singing some of our demos. 279 00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:56,460 Everybody's doing a brand new dance now 280 00:15:56,460 --> 00:15:59,780 (Come on baby do the loco-motion) 281 00:15:59,780 --> 00:16:03,660 I know you'll get to like it if you give it a chance now 282 00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:07,380 (Come on baby do the loco-motion) 283 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:10,540 My little baby sister can do it with ease 284 00:16:10,540 --> 00:16:14,140 It's easier than learning your ABCs 285 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:16,340 So come, on come on 286 00:16:16,340 --> 00:16:19,460 Do the loco-motion with me. 287 00:16:19,460 --> 00:16:23,180 There never was a dance the loco-motion until after it was 288 00:16:23,180 --> 00:16:27,660 a number one hit record and everybody says, how does this dance go? 289 00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:29,900 So Little Eva had to make up a dance! 290 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,140 Chains 291 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:36,340 My baby's got me locked up in chains 292 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:40,300 And they ain't the kind 293 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:43,860 That you can see. 294 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:49,740 The original image was that old street corner music, you know. 295 00:16:49,740 --> 00:16:52,580 Three people standing there just doing it in harmony, 296 00:16:52,580 --> 00:16:54,700 which we do in concert sometimes. 297 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:58,140 Chains 298 00:16:58,140 --> 00:17:01,220 My baby's got me locked up in chains 299 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:03,700 And they ain't the kind 300 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:07,380 That you can see 301 00:17:08,780 --> 00:17:11,860 Oh-oh, these chains of love 302 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:13,900 Got a hold on me 303 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,300 Yeah. 304 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:17,580 When the Beatles started to write songs, 305 00:17:17,580 --> 00:17:20,260 I have no question they looked to Goffin and King 306 00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:24,100 and they overtly spoke of Goffin and King as among their inspirations. 307 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,140 Chains 308 00:17:27,140 --> 00:17:31,180 I can't break away from these chains 309 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,500 Can't run around 310 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:37,380 Cos I'm not free. 311 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:42,380 I thought it was really neat when the Beatles did my song 'Chains' 312 00:17:42,380 --> 00:17:45,220 because they were this big phenomenon in this country 313 00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:48,700 and everybody was going, "Oh, wow!" And "They're great song writers." 314 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:51,020 Gerry and I had written 'Chains' for The Cookies 315 00:17:51,020 --> 00:17:54,020 and had a record with it here and then they went and did it. 316 00:17:54,020 --> 00:17:57,660 I sort of feel like I'm still learning things about Carole King. 317 00:17:57,660 --> 00:18:00,820 I mean, this woman wrote so many amazing songs. 318 00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:03,980 I walked home and she held my hand 319 00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:07,780 I knew it couldn't be just a one-night stand 320 00:18:07,780 --> 00:18:11,700 So I asked to see her next week and she told me I could 321 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:14,580 (I asked to see her and she told me I could) 322 00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:18,300 Something tells me I'm into something good 323 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:24,540 (Something tells me I'm into something) 324 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:28,460 Something tells me I'm into something good 325 00:18:28,460 --> 00:18:31,100 (Something tells me I'm into something) 326 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:32,940 To something good 327 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:34,380 Oh, yeah. 328 00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:39,100 I remember making a suggestion about writing something about a secret place. 329 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:42,340 Some place somebody goes, you know. Where do you go? 330 00:18:42,340 --> 00:18:44,460 In New York, where we lived at the time, 331 00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:49,900 one of the few places you could go to get away was up on the roof. 332 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:53,300 When this old world starts getting me down 333 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,660 And people are just too much 334 00:18:56,660 --> 00:18:59,180 For me to face 335 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:05,140 I climb way up to the top of the stairs 336 00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:08,860 And all my cares just drift 337 00:19:08,860 --> 00:19:11,220 Right into space 338 00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:18,940 On the roof's the only place I know 339 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:27,140 Where you just have to wish to make it so 340 00:19:27,140 --> 00:19:30,660 Let's go up on the roof 341 00:19:30,660 --> 00:19:33,220 Up on the roof. 342 00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:35,700 My mum wanted to live in the suburbs. 343 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:38,940 My dad probably would have loved to live in the West Village 344 00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:41,500 or in New York City somewhere. 345 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,980 But my mum just wanted to be a normal housewife. 346 00:19:44,980 --> 00:19:48,300 So all I remember is this house in West Orange, New Jersey, 347 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,740 and having these two kind of weird-ish parents, 348 00:19:51,740 --> 00:19:54,940 compared to the other parents on the street. 349 00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:56,820 She was traditional in the sense 350 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:59,260 that she wanted a house in the suburbs. 351 00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:02,220 That was what she thought her life would be. 352 00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:06,220 She also was the only person our age I knew who played mahjong. 353 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:07,980 She said you'll find out that even 354 00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:10,340 when I was a teenager I was an old Jewish lady. 355 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:12,460 That's what I was right from the beginning. 356 00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:16,500 So she wanted a house and a tree and the yard and the kids 357 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:18,580 and the dog and the cat. 358 00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:20,500 That is so much who she is 359 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:24,820 and I think that's why people feel connected to her. 360 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:27,060 You make me feel. 361 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:30,300 Jerry Wexler presented Gerry Goffin and me with the title 362 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,220 and said I need something for Aretha. 363 00:20:32,220 --> 00:20:34,220 Here's the title - 'Natural Woman'. 364 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,500 Then he rolls up the window in his limo 365 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:38,660 and drives off and we were like, OK. 366 00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:44,740 When my soul was in the lost and found 367 00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:50,660 You came around to claim it 368 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:58,220 I didn't know just what was wrong with me 369 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:03,660 Until your kiss helped me name it 370 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:10,540 Now I'm no longer doubtful of what I'm living for 371 00:21:11,660 --> 00:21:15,820 Cos if I make you happy Do I need to do more 372 00:21:15,820 --> 00:21:18,860 Because you make me feel 373 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:23,140 You make me feel 374 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:28,660 You make me feel like a natural woman. 375 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:35,300 'Natural Woman'. That is a Gerry Goffin lyric. 376 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:41,140 That is a man writing about what a woman feels, which is incredible. 377 00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:44,380 That's how great he was as a lyricist. 378 00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:47,940 "When my soul was in the lost and found you came along to claim it." 379 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:52,940 Those words, how he packed all that emotion in those words is a miracle. 380 00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:56,100 For Carole to sing a song, or anyone, 381 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,860 that Aretha Franklin had sung 382 00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:04,500 is, you know, I mean, that takes something. 383 00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:07,180 Carole's voice is so personal, 384 00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:11,100 it really seemed as if you were reading something 385 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:13,380 written in someone's soul. 386 00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:19,580 Oh, baby, what you done to me 387 00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:28,340 You make me feel so good inside 388 00:22:31,740 --> 00:22:36,100 And I just want to be 389 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:40,180 Close to you 390 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:44,220 You make me feel so alive 391 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:52,660 You make me feel 392 00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:59,620 You make me feel like a natural 393 00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:02,820 Natural woman. 394 00:23:02,820 --> 00:23:06,500 It was socially conscious writing without the sledgehammer. 395 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,940 "Another pleasant valley Sunday here in status symbol land." 396 00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:11,900 You know? 397 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:16,500 Lyrics like that that are a comment 398 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,820 and yet were very much attuned to the times and very much 399 00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:25,580 reflective of that he and Carole had moved to the New Jersey suburbs. 400 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:29,260 Rows of houses that are all the same 401 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:32,860 And no-one seems to care. 402 00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:38,380 I think he felt that he was trapped in suburbia 403 00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:42,380 and 'Pleasant Valley Sunday' was his anthem of rebellion. 404 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:46,540 See Mrs Gray she's proud today 405 00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:49,300 Because her roses are in bloom 406 00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:53,940 And Mr Green he's so serene 407 00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:57,300 He's got a TV in every room 408 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:04,260 Another Pleasant Valley Sunday 409 00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:07,940 Here in status symbol land. 410 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:12,180 I remember being so impressed when my mum and dad 411 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:14,580 had a song on The Monkees album 412 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:17,340 because The Monkees were all that then. 413 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:20,740 And I do remember Davy Jones came over to our house one time, 414 00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:23,140 which just floored me. 415 00:24:23,140 --> 00:24:26,500 At six years old, Davy Jones was, you know, 416 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,820 he's the perfect height for a six-year-old! 417 00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:35,740 But he was just the whole world to me. 418 00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:39,220 Those songs are, to my mind, they are masterpieces, you know. 419 00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:47,060 Without the self-consciousness of Dylan or something like that, 420 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:51,340 you can go back and revisit those songs and really enjoy them 421 00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:54,420 and find a lot of meaning in them. 422 00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:56,540 There's a lot of forgiveness in her music. 423 00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:58,740 There's a lot of compassion in her music. 424 00:24:58,740 --> 00:25:01,020 But forgiveness is a key thing. 425 00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:03,740 She goes through a real break-up in her life. 426 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:07,740 Her husband has been unfaithful to her more than once. 427 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,780 She loved him a lot. He loved her too but it couldn't work. 428 00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:13,300 They were married very young, very young, 429 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:17,340 when they were teenagers because she got pregnant. 430 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:21,020 And that infidelity came out of a real frustration that they 431 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:25,060 had been married for four years and Gerry was still only 23. 432 00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:27,700 They had been surrounded by, he was a very handsome guy, 433 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,380 there were a lot of beautiful women around all the time 434 00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:32,780 and he told Carole about it before he did it. 435 00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:35,220 It's one of the interesting things about the story. 436 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:37,300 He kind of asked for her permission. 437 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:42,460 I remember the divorce happened simultaneous with the move to LA. 438 00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:45,980 They were splitting up and moving into separate houses 439 00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:49,540 as we moved to LA from our house together. 440 00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:53,340 And I just thought, "Oh, cool, we're going to have two houses! 441 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:55,700 "That's going to be so cool." 442 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,780 It didn't hit me like, "Oh, my God, my parents are splitting up." 443 00:25:58,780 --> 00:26:01,180 And they kept writing together. 444 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:04,300 Even after they split up they would get together 445 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:08,340 and write often enough to me that it looked like there was harmony. 446 00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:13,180 It was like part of our family was being taken away from us. 447 00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:15,540 It was very disturbing for us. 448 00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:18,540 And I worried about her and I worried about the kids 449 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:20,500 and I worried about him. 450 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:22,780 and what was going to happen to everybody. 451 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:27,460 I moved to California in about 1968 and James Taylor 452 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,660 was just in the process of coming over with Peter Asher 453 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:35,980 and Charles Larkey, who I had known back East was moving there also. 454 00:26:35,980 --> 00:26:41,220 So James's guitar player was Danny Kootch. 455 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:44,620 We all were looking at California as the place to be. 456 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:47,660 One year ago you were cycling home from school in London 457 00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:50,500 at four in the afternoon and it was raining and dark, 458 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:53,700 and suddenly you're in a Mustang convertible and it's not raining, 459 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,540 it's not dark and there are beautiful blondes everywhere. 460 00:26:56,540 --> 00:26:59,260 And you go, this is probably an improvement! 461 00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:00,980 I think this is a good move! 462 00:27:00,980 --> 00:27:03,860 Most of the musicians in New York, they did pit bands, 463 00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:06,700 they did work for the Broadway shows, things like that. 464 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:08,740 In LA, everyone was doing rock 'n' roll. 465 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:13,380 They were making Jan and Dean records, Beach Boys records. So it was very different. 466 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:15,980 It was a very exciting scene at the time. 467 00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:19,060 We were all friends and liked to play the same music. 468 00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:22,060 Before too long I found myself teamed up professionally 469 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:24,100 and personally with Charles Larkey. 470 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:27,180 Charles Larkey moved in with us. 471 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:32,060 He was my stepdad. He moved into Wonderland with us. 472 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:39,340 When the sun comes up in the canyon 473 00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:48,700 And you are feeling lost and abandoned 474 00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:56,420 Some stranger may knock upon your door. 475 00:27:56,420 --> 00:28:00,660 I was contacted by Carole when she moved out here from New York. 476 00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:03,220 She didn't know a lot of people out here, 477 00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:06,020 or a lot of people in the music industry for sure. 478 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:10,380 She had gotten together with Danny Kortchmar 479 00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:14,740 and Charlie Larkey as a group called The City. 480 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:19,500 That's the first thing I recorded with Carole on the West Coast. 481 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,620 'Now That Everything's Been Said' was the name of the album. 482 00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:27,060 Lou produced. We recorded it at a studio on Gower in Hollywood. 483 00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:29,540 It was the first album I played on. 484 00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:31,980 The first full-length album I had ever played on. 485 00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:36,380 And certainly, I had never met anyone like Lou, who was a brilliant record producer. 486 00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:41,300 My friend and mentor, Bert Schneider, had been encouraging me 487 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:46,660 to write lyrics and Carole had just divorced from her husband. 488 00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:48,780 She had come into Bert's office 489 00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:51,420 and he was producing The Monkees movie. 490 00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:53,500 Bert pulled the lyrics out of his desk, 491 00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:56,740 handed them to Carol and she said, "They're good, did you write them?" 492 00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:58,860 He said, "No, my friend Toni did." 493 00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:02,420 And we just got along well and I remember feeling good about it 494 00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:04,340 and obviously she did too. 495 00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:07,260 She became my writing partner from that night on 496 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:09,740 and we worked together for around five years. 497 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:11,460 The City album probably happened 498 00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:14,460 because Carole didn't want to be a solo artist. 499 00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:17,780 And Charlie and Kootch, Danny Kortchmar, 500 00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:21,940 probably talked her into recording as a group. 501 00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:26,300 The thing I remember about The City is the songs are wonderful. 502 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:30,740 Remember the tempo. They were just getting their sea legs as a band. 503 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:34,980 If you listen closely you can see the roots, 504 00:29:34,980 --> 00:29:37,100 or the beginnings of 'Tapestry'. 505 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,740 How come you want to leave me here 506 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:43,220 Is there something else I should know 507 00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:47,220 You may think it's strange I never noticed the change 508 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:49,620 That made you want to get up and go 509 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:53,100 Get up and go 510 00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,940 Now that everything's been said 511 00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,740 Now that everything's been done 512 00:29:59,740 --> 00:30:06,340 How come you want to leave me here. 513 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:11,300 I would write the lyrics first, I would give it to Carole 514 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,340 and she would write the melodies to my lyrics in an hour. 515 00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:19,620 Including the arrangement. 516 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:25,700 The first thing that I envisioned with Carole after The City album, 517 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:30,060 which I had to treat as a group, 518 00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:35,260 was a solo artist that you always felt, 519 00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:39,100 she was sitting at the piano and singing to you. 520 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,580 That was the basis of 'Tapestry'. 521 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:44,180 At the time the 'Tapestry' album came, 522 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:47,980 James was also doing his second album which was the 'Sweet Baby James' 523 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:51,620 album and so Peter was working with James in one studio 524 00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:54,820 and Lou was working with me and Charles in the other studio. 525 00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:56,940 Lou was the kind of guy, 526 00:30:56,940 --> 00:31:00,380 he likes to have things very cool and very quiet. 527 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:02,340 No fuss, no muss. 528 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:06,300 Whatever had to be done with Carole, they would discuss it in the office. 529 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:08,980 When they got to the studio, 530 00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:12,780 I got into the room and it was up to Carole. 531 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:17,740 A and M was located on the corner of Sunset and La Brea 532 00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:21,620 and it's a former Charlie Chaplin Studios, which isn't bad to 533 00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:25,780 have that sort of vibe going, if you will. 534 00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:29,660 The Carpenters were in studio A, and they were creating. 535 00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:32,100 Joni Mitchell doing 'Blue' in studio C. 536 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,260 She liked that small intimate room. 537 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:35,940 Carole was here. 538 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:41,020 We were making a good record. We knew that. It was a simple record. 539 00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:45,140 Records like 'Tapestry' could be overproduced in a minute. 540 00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:48,940 Let's add more guitars, let's add more of this or that. 541 00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:51,620 Lou and Carole wanted that simplicity. 542 00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:53,900 They wanted it to be nice and warm 543 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,660 and a very comfortable record for people to enjoy. 544 00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:01,220 I feel the earth move under my feet 545 00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:04,100 I feel the sky tumbling down 546 00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:08,660 I feel my heart start to trembling 547 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:14,700 Whenever you're around. 548 00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:21,580 I wanted it to stay that simple and always have that feeling that 549 00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:24,180 Carole was singing to you and playing the piano. 550 00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:28,820 We turned all the lights down in the room, all the lights we are 551 00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:31,900 seeing and all the background lights down and all that stuff. 552 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,300 Everything was what makes an artist comfortable 553 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:39,780 so you had all of that ambiance and environment going. 554 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:42,620 After a while they got so comfortable with that, 555 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:45,300 they were like playing in their living room. 556 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,140 It felt a lot like family 557 00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:50,900 and everyone wanted everyone else to succeed. 558 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:56,020 'Will You Love Me Tomorrow', Joni and James sang background on. 559 00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:58,580 James was on a lot of 'Tapestry'. 560 00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:01,540 If he wasn't singing, he was playing. 561 00:33:01,540 --> 00:33:06,060 They were all friends. Joni and James, they were all friendly. 562 00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:10,020 It was fun. They would come in and Carole knew what she wanted. 563 00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:14,060 When it comes to her music, she is in control of what it's going 564 00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,740 to be and how it's going to come out. 565 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:19,500 It's wonderful to work with her and wonderful to work with 566 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:22,860 a person that has that kind of confidence in what they want. 567 00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:26,540 A lot of the material they are recording or the show they are putting on, 568 00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:31,660 it makes it really easy for someone like me to find out what they need and give it to them. 569 00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:35,900 We were doing two or three tunes a day. It's hard to imagine now. 570 00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:41,860 The day we cut 'I Feel The Earth Move', 571 00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:43,580 we did two other tunes that day. 572 00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:49,860 It took us three weeks to make 'Tapestry'. $22,000. 573 00:33:49,860 --> 00:33:53,900 She got involved in every single part. 574 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,900 She had specific ideas of what she wanted me to play. 575 00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,500 Specific ideas for the bass player to play. 576 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:04,060 I played the solos off the floor. The solos were not even overdubbed. They were just played live. 577 00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:06,700 I didn't have time to think about it and it's a good thing 578 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,620 because if I'd thought about it, I would've screwed them up. 579 00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:13,780 I didn't have time to think about it. Carole just said, you play a solo here, and I did. 580 00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:17,100 GUITAR SOLO 581 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:30,220 Vinyl used to have two sides. 582 00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:33,380 There used to be a logical place for a pause 583 00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:38,020 and we as the creators of that product had to build in 584 00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:41,580 a place for that pause and I think that made for a really 585 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:46,100 interesting theatre almost, it would be like the intermission in a play. 586 00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:51,060 And then the actual sequencing of an album is kind of a lost art. 587 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:54,460 Sequencing at that time was very important 588 00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:59,220 because you go through one side, you turn it over 589 00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:05,740 and so all of that was based on one person listening to it 590 00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:12,380 and not, how is this going to go over with 25 million people? 591 00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:16,620 Lou saw what was going on and he described it, in an interview, 592 00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:18,740 he said this is going to be the Love Story - 593 00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:21,180 Love Story at the time was the big book and movie - 594 00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:24,620 the Love Story of albums, and he was right on the money. 595 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:27,500 As I watched in sorrow 596 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:30,460 There suddenly appeared 597 00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:34,060 A figure grey and ghostly 598 00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:37,180 Beneath a flowing beard 599 00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:40,380 In times of deepest darkness 600 00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:43,980 I've seen him dressed in black 601 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:47,900 Now my tapestry's unravelling 602 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,940 He's come to take me back 603 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:55,420 He's come to take me back. 604 00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:58,020 'Tapestry' was one of those albums 605 00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:03,220 that it come out and it was everywhere immediately. 606 00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:06,660 Maybe 'Sgt Pepper' was the only other experience, at least I've 607 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:11,220 ever had like that, where the record appears and then suddenly 608 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:14,500 every song and everywhere you go, people are playing it. 609 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,300 The album exploded. 610 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,540 It wasn't one of those where we had to sit around and wait 611 00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:22,660 and see what was going to happen. It truly exploded. 612 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:27,300 I was reading Rolling Stone and there was a review of her album. 613 00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,500 It was an incredible review. 614 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:32,780 I went out and I bought the album and I started listening to it 615 00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:34,980 and her lyrics just blew me away. 616 00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:39,420 I was so surprised. She was a really good lyricist. 617 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:42,980 And I remember shopping in grocery stores and hearing it. 618 00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:44,940 And it's too late, baby. 619 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:47,380 And going, "I hear my mom's voice." 620 00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:50,060 Oh, I thought it was my mom calling me. 621 00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:53,260 The same timbre of voice that goes "Sherry!" 622 00:36:53,260 --> 00:36:56,180 is the voice that was, 623 00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:58,180 Too late, baby. 624 00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:02,340 I hear my mom... Oh, she's on the radio. 625 00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:05,700 It was the right songs at the right time for the audience 626 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,980 that was ready for them. 627 00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:10,580 They said everything that people were feeling 628 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:12,740 and couldn't really express. 629 00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:15,060 She never did any press, interviews, anything. 630 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:19,020 She never brought any of that home so it still felt like this 631 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:24,420 thing was going on outside of our world in the big world. 632 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:29,060 The transition from the '60s to the '70s in the US was a very complicated time. 633 00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:35,780 I'm sure it was everywhere, but here the Vietnam War was still raging. 634 00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:41,980 There were 550,000 American troops in Vietnam in 1969. 635 00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:45,060 Vietnam is not that big a country. It's half a million troops. 636 00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:51,700 There were still the after-effects of the assassinations 637 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,220 of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King. 638 00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:58,660 There was still a lot of anger in the atmosphere 639 00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:01,740 and it was very unpleasant. 640 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:05,580 A very unpleasant period in the history of America. 641 00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:09,540 'The great '60s ambitions, the great utopian hopes, 642 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:13,300 'clearly weren't going to materialise,' 643 00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:17,100 so people began looking inward and that was the singer-songwriter movement. 644 00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:21,460 Carole's record was so warm and so welcoming 645 00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:26,500 and so made you feel that a friend was taking care of you, and a 646 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:31,540 friend was saying things that you were feeling, but couldn't express. 647 00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:34,860 First of all, it instantly touched me. 648 00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:41,340 It felt intimate and it felt like she could be singing for me, 649 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:45,180 or I could be singing those songs myself. 650 00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:50,060 I think it really hit home for so many people, especially women. 651 00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:55,820 It was my go-to record for any time I wanted to feel better. 652 00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:57,580 It was like a friend. 653 00:38:57,580 --> 00:39:01,460 The record was like having a close friend 654 00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:04,740 and her voice was your girlfriend. 655 00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:06,660 It still affects women to this day 656 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:10,420 because it wasn't trying to do anything or trying to be anything. 657 00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:14,780 It was a very honest album. 658 00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:17,660 Carole has, to me, one of the great voices, 659 00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:21,420 but it's not classically a great voice. 660 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:26,780 It's not like Aretha or Barbra or Celine. It's not. 661 00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:33,060 It's a voice that every woman thinks she could have. 662 00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:36,380 It's an art to be able to connect with a listening audience 663 00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:40,220 the way Carole did and I think the simplicity of the songs and 664 00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:44,500 the simplicity of the arrangement and the trueness of the emotion 665 00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:47,900 that came out through them, people could relate to that. 666 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:49,540 And they made it their own. 667 00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:52,860 It was an artist expressing what she felt. 668 00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:57,940 That is what was different about it. All of a sudden 669 00:39:57,940 --> 00:40:01,820 the artists were singing the songs that they wrote about their lives. 670 00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:03,620 SONG: "It's Too Late" 671 00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:07,140 Stayed in bed all morning just to pass the time 672 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,540 There's something wrong here there can be no denying 673 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:15,300 One of us is changing 674 00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:19,260 Or maybe we just stopped trying 675 00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:25,780 And it's too late baby now 676 00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:27,660 It's too late 677 00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:31,740 Though we really did try to make it 678 00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:36,140 Something inside has died 679 00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:41,860 And I can't hide it I just can't fake it 680 00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:46,740 Oh, no, no, no, no... 681 00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:53,020 This is a song about disappointment, 682 00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:57,220 but the ever-youthful optimism of youth. 683 00:40:57,220 --> 00:41:02,340 And I'm an optimistic person, so the last verse addresses that, 684 00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:05,740 that we both have a future, though not with one another. 685 00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:07,540 That's what the song is about. 686 00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:11,900 There'll be good times again for me and you 687 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,300 But we just can't stay together 688 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,500 Don't you feel it too? 689 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,980 Still I'm glad for what we had 690 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:23,620 And how I once loved you... 691 00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:24,820 You get it right. 692 00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:28,780 It's the right combination of the songs, the lyrics, 693 00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:33,860 the way Carole sang them, the band, the way Lou did it. 694 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,420 Just everything came out right. 695 00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:42,340 It's just one of those records that couldn't be bettered. 696 00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:45,260 She was reluctant to go out on the road for months 697 00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:48,500 and leave her daughters and to be gone. 698 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:52,820 She was very reluctant to go out. She didn't want to tour. 699 00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:54,100 It was mixed for me. 700 00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:57,180 There was times when she'd go on the road and she would take us. 701 00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:01,180 That was a really special, wonderful time for me. 702 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,580 When she went on the road and we couldn't go 703 00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:07,460 because we were in school, she left us home with a friend of hers who 704 00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:10,460 was taking care of us. I would get really... 705 00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:14,220 I remember crying listening to So Far Away, 706 00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:16,220 like she was singing it to me. 707 00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:21,860 What's your take on how difficult it is for a woman to have a 708 00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:24,300 career in the performing arts 709 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,500 and also maintain a family? 710 00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,100 Very difficult. Very difficult. 711 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:34,740 The only time, I guess, when I had really young children, that I ever was on tour, was with you. 712 00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:39,580 I remember we were away for six weeks, home for two weeks 713 00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:42,060 and then away for another six weeks. 714 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:45,100 And that six weeks was very difficult. 715 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:46,460 SONG: "So Far Away" 716 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:50,460 So far away 717 00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:56,980 Doesn't anybody stay in one place any more? 718 00:42:56,980 --> 00:43:03,740 It would be so fine to see your face at my door 719 00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:07,620 It doesn't help to know 720 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:11,500 You're just time away 721 00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:16,580 Long ago I reached for you and 722 00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:19,740 There you stood 723 00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:21,740 Holding you again 724 00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:25,140 Could only do me good... 725 00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:27,380 I like that song a lot. 726 00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:29,780 That song... 727 00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:32,460 The part I'm playing on it's incredibly simple 728 00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:35,540 but that song meant a lot to me because 729 00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:37,540 I have spent my whole life on the road 730 00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:42,580 and that brings certain kind of, um... 731 00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:44,660 a kind of weight to bear 732 00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:47,020 when you're away from your family and your loved ones. 733 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:49,860 I've always had confidence in the fact that 734 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:52,260 when I played music, 735 00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:55,660 it touched people in some way and... 736 00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:59,260 The place I didn't have confidence was as a performer, 737 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:01,460 that's where I had no confidence 738 00:44:01,460 --> 00:44:03,420 and that's where you came in. 739 00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:05,500 It was James and me saying to Carole, 740 00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:09,180 "Look, would you sing some of them to open the show?" 741 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,020 And she agreed to do so. 742 00:44:12,020 --> 00:44:15,140 She was very nervous, she was scared. 743 00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:18,500 She got over her stage fright very quickly 744 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:23,340 because she had an incident that happened when she was performing at the Troubadour. 745 00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:26,980 She sits down and plays one-and-a-half songs 746 00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:29,660 and then Doug Weston, who owns the Troubadour, says, 747 00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:33,020 "I'm sorry, we're going to have to empty the building, we've had a bomb threat." 748 00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:35,540 So we walked out and then we came back in 749 00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:39,220 and Carole sat down at the piano and they cleared it and she said, 750 00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:41,580 about the bomb, 751 00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:43,540 "As long as it's not me." 752 00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:47,780 That cracked the audience up and she said from then on, she was not nervous. 753 00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:50,980 Which is terrific, I mean, that's great. 754 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:54,060 When she finally stepped up to the plate herself 755 00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:56,940 it was like hitting a major vein, 756 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,780 you know, like a seam of water 757 00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:01,660 flowing underground or something. 758 00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:03,540 It just welled up. 759 00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:07,740 She hates to travel, she hates the hotels, she hates the dressing room, 760 00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:10,340 but as soon as she gets on stage with the fellas 761 00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:14,180 and we start playing, she lights up and nobody can light up like Carole. 762 00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:17,620 Carole is like a Christmas tree. She lights up and the whole room glows. 763 00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:19,180 Oh! 764 00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:25,700 JAZZY PIANO INTRO 765 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:30,300 Now, big Jim the Chief stood for law and order, 766 00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,100 Yes, he did, yes, he did. 767 00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,660 He called for the guard to come 768 00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:38,980 And surround the border... 769 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:43,660 James and I were standing on the balcony at sound check 770 00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:47,140 and she played You've Got A Friend for the very first time. 771 00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:51,380 I can't remember anything for one year either side of hearing this song 772 00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:54,820 but I remember standing there and hearing Carole play this song. 773 00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:57,700 And that's where James fell in love with the song. 774 00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:01,700 He thought it was one of the most perfect pop songs ever written, which remains true to this day. 775 00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:05,180 In an amazing act of generosity 776 00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:08,100 she let me cut this tune first, release it first, 777 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,020 and I was amazed because she was cutting Tapestry at the time. 778 00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:13,980 APPLAUSE AND CHEERING 779 00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:17,180 I didn't realise at the time that I would be singing that song 780 00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:19,900 every single night for the rest of my life. 781 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:22,420 LAUGHTER 782 00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:27,020 If the sky above you 783 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:32,460 Should grow dark and full of clouds 784 00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:35,860 And that old North wind 785 00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:39,020 Should begin to blow 786 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:48,100 Keep your head together 787 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:54,140 And call my name out loud now, baby, 788 00:46:54,140 --> 00:47:01,060 Soon I'll be knocking upon your door... 789 00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:04,020 I love him so much it's that real... 790 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:06,180 Everybody says, "were you a couple?" 791 00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:07,500 No. 792 00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:10,060 "Do you ever think about it?" No. 793 00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:12,380 The first connection was musical. 794 00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:15,220 It turned out we spoke the same language. 795 00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:18,660 We sat down and we slipped back into the mother tongue, really. 796 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:19,860 It was great. 797 00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:23,860 We played on each other's records, we just had a common mind, you know. 798 00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:27,740 All I want 799 00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:31,660 Is a quiet place to live... 800 00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:35,580 Leaving California was something that didn't come easy. 801 00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:37,460 It had been my home for ten years. 802 00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:40,100 In 1977 I left and went to Idaho. 803 00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:43,380 Charlie was the first new dad that I had. 804 00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:45,460 And, er... 805 00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:49,340 He walked into a situation, there was no winning in that situation. 806 00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:52,180 Rick Evers was a whole different situation. 807 00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:53,180 My mom, 808 00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:56,500 she was just hypnotised by him. 809 00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:01,740 I moved to Hot Springs community and it had hot running water 810 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:06,260 and cold running water outside of the house. It had no indoor plumbing. 811 00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:09,460 We used outhouses, it had no electricity, no phones. 812 00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:17,500 I'm pretty sure I was 14 when Rick met my mum and quickly took us 813 00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:21,380 to Idaho. It wasn't like she was moving for work or necessity. 814 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:25,540 She was moving cos he said so, and so I resented it that much more. 815 00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:28,460 I knew he was a terrible guy. I lived with him 816 00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:32,180 and he had a really scary temper. 817 00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:34,940 When he'd get angry, I would feel scared, 818 00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:38,900 I would, like, run in a room and lock the door. 819 00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:42,660 Even though he'd never hit you, I felt like he was going to. 820 00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:45,780 It doesn't surprise me that he did actually hit her 821 00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:48,260 and it's horrifying. 822 00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:51,660 He was obviously a troubled, deeply, deeply troubled 823 00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:55,460 screwed up individual and was making Carole's life miserable 824 00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:58,100 and also making the rest of our lives miserable. 825 00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:03,260 They hated him and they had every right to and as a person, 826 00:49:03,260 --> 00:49:06,980 they didn't like him and they didn't like the way he treated Carole 827 00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:11,900 and they didn't like the way he treated the band and... 828 00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,420 You probably know, at one point, 829 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:20,980 he hit Danny Kortchmar coming offstage and hit him hard. 830 00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:24,260 She's a brilliant, intelligent, 831 00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:28,500 insightful woman who married a creepy guy. This happens. 832 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,100 And then one day, she snapped out of it. It was... 833 00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:37,620 We were back in LA, we lived in Idaho, but we'd come back to LA 834 00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:40,500 because Carole wanted to make an album. 835 00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:44,260 It turns out that prior to meeting Carole, he was a junkie. 836 00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:49,260 My mum just said, "I've had enough, I'm leaving, Sherry, come on." 837 00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:52,060 We flew to Hawaii and when we got to Hawaii, 838 00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:55,540 we got a message that Rick died. He killed himself. 839 00:49:55,540 --> 00:50:02,740 He actually shot up too much drugs. In my own head I went, "Good." 840 00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:05,100 It's terrible to say about another human being, 841 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,820 but he's the guy that caused so much pain in our family, 842 00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:11,980 so much chaos and he did it to himself. 843 00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:15,300 It's not like, you know, some tragic thing happened to him. 844 00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:17,460 He just was stupid. 845 00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:22,340 What kind of fool do you think I am? 846 00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:26,980 To believe you really give a damn 847 00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:30,300 You're looking out for number one 848 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:34,900 What kind of chance are you willing to take? 849 00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:39,620 Are you willing to give just a little bit for your own sake? 850 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:44,220 That's really looking out for number one... 851 00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:49,180 I guess it was in 1978, after Rick Evers died, 852 00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:52,300 I decided I was definitely going to go back to Idaho with my two 853 00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,060 younger children, Molly and Levi. 854 00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:56,700 She fell in love with Idaho. 855 00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:01,180 She fell harder for Idaho than she fell for Rick, ultimately. 856 00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,940 She's still in love with Idaho. 857 00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:06,420 She loves the mountains, she loves the winters there, 858 00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:11,380 she loves the air. If she could, she'd be there all the time. 859 00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:16,380 Living in Idaho, which is part of the Northern Rockies ecosystem, 860 00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:21,460 and 20 years ago, most people hadn't heard the word, ecosystem. 861 00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:25,700 What it means in my area of the country is that a bear doesn't 862 00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:29,420 get to a state line and say, "Oh, that law in this state 863 00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:33,020 "means I'm protected here so I'd better not go into the next state, 864 00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:34,580 "where I'm not protected." 865 00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:37,540 I think the wide open spaces were calling to her. 866 00:51:37,540 --> 00:51:44,220 This is where she wanted to, I think, have her, sort of, her life. 867 00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:46,620 We treat the Northern Rockies as an ecosystem 868 00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:49,060 and there's a piece of legislation that 869 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:53,980 I work on called the Northern Rockies Ecosystem Protection Act. 870 00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:59,060 She's come to Capitol Hill, just not to get the door open, 871 00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:03,940 she understands the landscape, she understands the politics, 872 00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:05,660 she's telling them about the science, 873 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:11,580 she's talking about what the habitat destruction is doing. 874 00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:13,900 She understands the economics of it. 875 00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:15,860 Of the forest that once covered America, 876 00:52:15,860 --> 00:52:19,620 only 5% remain intact but we can still save some. 877 00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:21,780 We can save some cover, some food supply 878 00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:24,620 and endangered species in the Northern Rockies, 879 00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:28,860 because it is the largest viable ecosystem in the lower 48. 880 00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:34,220 Her manager on the show would say to folks, 881 00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:36,580 "On the road with Carole, 882 00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:43,740 "Carole talks about the tour, about this much. NREPA, this much." 883 00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:48,980 This is Carole's passion for the environment, 884 00:52:48,980 --> 00:52:51,260 protecting these places. 885 00:52:51,260 --> 00:52:54,780 I know this world needs changing 886 00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:57,140 I know the shape we're in 887 00:52:58,220 --> 00:53:00,540 But with all the confusion 888 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:03,020 I've reached the conclusion 889 00:53:03,020 --> 00:53:07,700 There's only one place to begin and that's 890 00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,700 One to one... 891 00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,620 She's happiest with the quiet life in Idaho. 892 00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:18,500 She will still tour and play shows and she records from time to time, 893 00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:22,380 but she loves Idaho with a passion 894 00:53:22,380 --> 00:53:30,340 and she wants to preserve a great area of incredible natural beauty. 895 00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:34,180 She just loves the environment there and she's an environmentalist, 896 00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:37,980 so, if you're going to meet an environmentalist, you're going 897 00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:39,500 to live in the environment. 898 00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:48,340 In January 2014, Beautiful, the musical based on my mom's life, 899 00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:50,700 opened on Broadway. 900 00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:55,420 The idea started of making a musical based on all four of us, based on 901 00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:59,780 our friendship and our competition with each other in the early '60s. 902 00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:01,820 That's how it basically started. 903 00:54:01,820 --> 00:54:03,820 I thought these are four interesting people. 904 00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:05,780 I'd met Carole, Gerry, Barry and Cynthia. 905 00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:10,260 They were really interesting, charming, funny and smart. 906 00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:16,340 I'd like to know that your love 907 00:54:20,140 --> 00:54:27,300 Is love I can be sure of... 908 00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,260 If she was told it's going to be called Beautiful, 909 00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:32,140 the Carole King musical, what do you think? 910 00:54:32,140 --> 00:54:34,940 She'd have gone, no, that's not happening. 911 00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:39,300 After the first reading, the feedback that they got was, 912 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:44,100 were you stopping before Tapestry? You can't do that. 913 00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:46,980 The most interesting art, the one that people are going to 914 00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:48,460 want to see is Carole's art. 915 00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:51,820 So, we need to focus on her a little more 916 00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:56,140 and step back on everyone else and Barry and Cynthia agreed with that. 917 00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:58,540 We became supporting players. 918 00:54:58,540 --> 00:55:01,220 We've used to joke that they were Lucy and Desi 919 00:55:01,220 --> 00:55:02,660 and we were Fred and Ethel. 920 00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:06,500 I knew going into it I couldn't do a mimicry, 921 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:08,740 I just knew it wouldn't work. 922 00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:12,220 For many reasons, some of the logistical reasons being that 923 00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:15,940 her voice is so unique, there is no way I could copy her voice. 924 00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:21,180 And it's too late baby now it's too late 925 00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:24,420 Though we really did try to make it 926 00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:30,380 Something inside has died and I can't hide... 927 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:33,620 Too late is one of the ones that always hits me every night 928 00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:37,100 when you sing it. I can feel it in the audience. 929 00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,620 Oh, my gosh, we get to hear the song because we love it. 930 00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:43,860 Then the audience realising what that song means to them. 931 00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:48,340 You've got to get up every morning with a smile on your face 932 00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:53,780 And show the world all the love in your heart... 933 00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:56,620 One of the things I always loved about her was her honesty 934 00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:58,300 and her authenticity. 935 00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:02,380 When she performs, she has such joy and it's so honest and it's 936 00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:06,420 like there's nothing between her and the music she's making. 937 00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:09,140 She likes to be the centre of attention and at the same time, 938 00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:11,660 she's like, "Don't make me the centre of attention." 939 00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:15,380 She's like, no, I want my life, I want to be a normal person, 940 00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:20,780 so I think she's been kind of smart about drying those boundaries. 941 00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:23,420 A lot of people watching, musicians and artists, 942 00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:25,860 what advice would you give to songwriters 943 00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:28,580 and musicians starting writing songs today? What would you say? 944 00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:34,420 Write from the heart, write what you feel and just, yes, we can. 945 00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:35,820 There you are. 946 00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:38,380 You heard it from one of the master songwriters of all time. 947 00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:42,340 For a lot of people, things are discouraging out there right now. 948 00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:47,140 Things seem hopeless and all I can say is persevere. 949 00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:50,340 I've had hopeless times in my life about different things 950 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:54,220 and you just have to persevere because one day, that door does 951 00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:57,500 open and if you don't persevere, you won't be there 952 00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:01,060 when it does, so persevere, don't give up hope 953 00:57:01,060 --> 00:57:03,100 and don't be discouraged. 954 00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,500 Her legacy will be enormous. 955 00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:09,220 Her legacy may be like a Gershwin legacy 956 00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:13,460 or a Rodgers and Hammerstein legacy because 957 00:57:13,460 --> 00:57:16,500 there is a generation now that just adores her stuff 958 00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:17,980 and it keeps it alive. 959 00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:21,340 Soon I will be there 960 00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:27,900 To brighten up even your darkest night... 961 00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:32,700 There's no pretence to anything Carole does and that's 962 00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,060 so true of her writing and performing. 963 00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:38,660 I just always admired the way she goes out on stage 964 00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:40,700 and just sits down and does it. 965 00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:44,340 You go, oh, my God, I totally know what that song is about. 966 00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:47,380 That's happened to me, or that's how I feel right now, 967 00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:49,700 or that's how I felt then 968 00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,700 and no-one's ever been able to say it that way before. 969 00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:54,060 They make it their own. 970 00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:56,820 I would think honesty is the prevailing 971 00:57:56,820 --> 00:58:01,660 emotion of Carole as a writer and a performer. 972 00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:03,940 She said exactly what I was going to say. 973 00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:06,060 Yeah, but I'm the lyricist, so I said it. 974 00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:09,100 I'll be there, yes, I will 975 00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:10,860 Hey now. 976 00:58:10,860 --> 00:58:15,700 Now ain't it good to know that you've got a friend... 977 00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:19,100 Her singing, it doesn't have a lot of artifice in it 978 00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:20,940 or ornamentation. 979 00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:23,140 It's pure, it's like, here's who I am. 980 00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:26,380 I think people... I think that's what they love about her. 981 00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:31,460 And take your soul if you let them 982 00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:34,300 Oh but don't you let them... 983 00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:38,300 If Tapestry never existed, 984 00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:42,820 Carole King would still be among the handful of most 985 00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:48,020 important song writers in pop music history, so let's just say that. 986 00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:50,940 I'll come running 987 00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:53,500 Oh, yes I will 988 00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:56,140 To see you again 989 00:58:56,140 --> 00:59:00,420 See you again and again 990 00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:04,500 Winter, spring, summer or fall 991 00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:10,700 All you've got to do is call 992 00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:15,740 And I'll be there, yes, I will 993 00:59:15,740 --> 00:59:19,420 You've got a friend.83084

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