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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:09,342 Why is it so dangerous to be an environmentalist in Colombia? 2 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:12,721 Do you know who it is that wants you dead? 3 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:14,723 The Cuban government is still boiling down 4 00:00:14,723 --> 00:00:17,600 on their legacy of repression and surveillance. 5 00:00:17,892 --> 00:00:20,895 Neuroscientists are finding new ways to Fuze man and machine. 6 00:00:21,146 --> 00:00:24,024 Would you call Cancer Alley environmental racism? 7 00:00:24,274 --> 00:00:26,693 It's just a whole different way of telling the story. 8 00:00:27,152 --> 00:00:29,946 I'm getting anger about conservatives being persecuted. 9 00:01:30,173 --> 00:01:32,759 Something always was ready to happen 10 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:34,094 that had occurred. 11 00:01:36,846 --> 00:01:40,350 The population was tied. 12 00:01:43,353 --> 00:01:46,481 Tired of lies of promises. 13 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:50,819 We would tie. 14 00:01:52,654 --> 00:01:55,406 Someone picked a guard. 15 00:01:55,406 --> 00:01:58,034 And after you hear God, he's over. 16 00:01:58,034 --> 00:02:00,161 Then all hell broke loose. 17 00:02:07,377 --> 00:02:08,670 I'm in the middle of shall 18 00:02:08,670 --> 00:02:11,881 we start hearing these sirens going off to hell as it is? 19 00:02:12,507 --> 00:02:15,468 I was in the shower. I came home soaking wet 20 00:02:16,678 --> 00:02:17,387 and the place is 21 00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:19,472 going crazy, and all of a sudden. 22 00:02:20,557 --> 00:02:23,351 I seen the medical shop door open 23 00:02:23,351 --> 00:02:27,772 and I seen guys come running in there with great big pipes and knives 24 00:02:28,022 --> 00:02:31,317 and before, you know, everybody was running all over the place. 25 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:34,362 Then you started seeing people 26 00:02:34,362 --> 00:02:38,199 sticking their faces to the broken windows 27 00:02:38,658 --> 00:02:42,787 and saying, Grab the guards, grab the guards, grand keys, get keys. 28 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:44,873 There's guards that are getting beat up. 29 00:02:44,873 --> 00:02:46,875 Anybody that fell in your head 30 00:02:47,208 --> 00:02:50,545 that was part of the administration was, well, get a beat. 31 00:02:51,045 --> 00:02:54,174 It was my opportunity to fight those who beat me down now 32 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:57,177 because I'm with a whole lot of killers now. 33 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:59,762 It's us versus them, and I just jumped in it. 34 00:02:59,971 --> 00:03:02,473 I didn't plan anything, and I wasn't the type of thing 35 00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:04,267 that was kicking the police. 36 00:03:04,267 --> 00:03:05,226 I still feel good about it. 37 00:03:05,226 --> 00:03:06,936 It would have ended right there 38 00:03:06,936 --> 00:03:10,940 because they were in a confined area, locks around the block tier. 39 00:03:11,107 --> 00:03:15,153 Times Square was locked, but the prisoners went back towards Times Square 40 00:03:15,403 --> 00:03:17,071 and began to yank on the gates. 41 00:03:18,281 --> 00:03:21,159 All the four blocks met at Times Square 42 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,622 and the Council on the Layout of the Prison Times 43 00:03:25,622 --> 00:03:29,918 Square as the hub, the central hub of the prison. 44 00:03:33,546 --> 00:03:36,799 The morning of the riot, my father was in Times Square. 45 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:40,094 He had keys to all of the doorways 46 00:03:40,845 --> 00:03:44,349 and unfortunately the inmates 47 00:03:44,349 --> 00:03:47,477 that were in a tunnel continue to push against 48 00:03:49,896 --> 00:03:53,066 that cell door, and they began yelling 49 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:58,446 for my dad to unlock the gate and cleanse out that. 50 00:03:58,446 --> 00:04:01,866 I said, Oh, sure, this is, and it hit their home. 51 00:04:04,118 --> 00:04:08,373 Oh, they started banging on the. 52 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:12,627 And all the good and all the good and unbeknownst to anybody. 53 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:15,296 one of the hinges had been. 54 00:04:15,296 --> 00:04:18,675 Welded together kind of jury rigged during construction 55 00:04:18,716 --> 00:04:21,469 in 1932, that will brook a lot. 56 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:23,137 Says Popped. 57 00:04:24,389 --> 00:04:27,308 And they rushed out when the gate came down. 58 00:04:28,518 --> 00:04:31,771 They attacked my father and they took his keys, 59 00:04:31,771 --> 00:04:35,858 which of course, gave them access to all of the doors within Times Square. 60 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:39,988 He was beaten very severely. 61 00:04:39,988 --> 00:04:41,072 Adobe. 62 00:04:41,406 --> 00:04:46,452 And I put two knuckles on close calls and then I could feel a pulse. 63 00:04:46,452 --> 00:04:48,037 But it was very faint. 64 00:04:48,037 --> 00:04:50,039 It was like a flutter. 65 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:53,751 And a minute or two later, another flood. 66 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:57,755 There were some inmates that knew my dad. 67 00:04:57,755 --> 00:05:01,592 four Muslim inmates who got a mattress out of a block 68 00:05:01,592 --> 00:05:05,763 and put my dad on the mattress, and they brought him from 69 00:05:06,931 --> 00:05:12,145 Times Square and told them that they have a correctional officer 70 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:14,772 that has been badly injured and he needs medical attention. 71 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:19,319 At some point an ambulance did arrive. 72 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:21,738 During that time, my mother 73 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:25,450 was notified that my father was injured. 74 00:05:27,201 --> 00:05:29,203 After they got the Queen's keys, 75 00:05:29,203 --> 00:05:34,125 they opened up all four sites and said we got the joy in their holiday. 76 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:36,669 We got the job. 77 00:05:42,258 --> 00:05:44,469 It to everybody and do it. 78 00:05:44,844 --> 00:05:45,678 We do, 79 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,097 but we can not only. 80 00:05:49,265 --> 00:05:51,559 So we all the but d-black. 81 00:05:56,814 --> 00:06:01,069 The place is blowing up smoke pouring from five buildings, 82 00:06:01,069 --> 00:06:03,863 the prison chapel and laundry gutted by flames. 83 00:06:05,406 --> 00:06:08,117 We only have control of our yard. 84 00:06:08,117 --> 00:06:10,370 They had control of the system, they had control of the gates 85 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:14,957 and the doors, and the walkways did was up and walkway with guns. 86 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:16,918 But you can watch you. 87 00:06:17,585 --> 00:06:20,630 I'm turning now from B Block, 88 00:06:22,298 --> 00:06:25,134 taking in the group on the roof of C Block. 89 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:27,136 Right 90 00:06:28,304 --> 00:06:31,182 now, the yard and D-Block is coming into view 91 00:06:31,599 --> 00:06:34,310 shooting now through the 270 rifle scope, 92 00:06:35,853 --> 00:06:37,730 and they're ugly and black, 93 00:06:37,730 --> 00:06:41,401 and they grow gentlemen I've ever seen in my life. 94 00:06:43,152 --> 00:06:45,696 We knew they were out there on the catwalks. 95 00:06:47,281 --> 00:06:50,701 They were positioning themselves in a way, 96 00:06:51,285 --> 00:06:54,122 although you knew they were there, they positioned themselves 97 00:06:54,122 --> 00:06:55,289 out of sight. 98 00:06:58,292 --> 00:07:00,878 Most of the prisoners have concealed their faces 99 00:07:00,878 --> 00:07:04,340 by wearing scarves, towels and what have you over their faces. 100 00:07:05,591 --> 00:07:07,844 That was a way to guard 101 00:07:07,844 --> 00:07:10,304 your identity from being exposed. 102 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,516 And if they came in, you know you have protection. 103 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,685 Well, we thought we did. 104 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:25,695 In Attica, New York, about 1000 long term convicts 105 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:28,906 today rioted and they gained control of the maximum security prison. 106 00:07:29,282 --> 00:07:32,743 They also seized 33 guards as hostages and injured others in the fighting. 107 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:35,496 State police have regained control of most of the prison, 108 00:07:35,496 --> 00:07:36,998 but the trouble isn't over yet. 109 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:40,418 When we 110 00:07:40,418 --> 00:07:43,254 got to deal with the hostages, we hollered, 111 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:48,885 we got hostages and we had about 1000 112 00:07:48,885 --> 00:07:52,221 men shouting at. 113 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:56,017 We know 114 00:07:56,017 --> 00:08:01,689 Indian hostages to keep the police coming and drop in on us, got our hostages. 115 00:08:01,689 --> 00:08:04,358 That's the only that's the only leverage. 116 00:08:04,650 --> 00:08:09,489 As long as they have the hostages, they didn't have guns 117 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,991 and they didn't have this and they didn't have that, 118 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:15,536 but they had hostages. 119 00:08:15,912 --> 00:08:21,417 And they're your people and you were responsible for your people. 120 00:08:21,792 --> 00:08:24,879 You're responsible to protect your people 121 00:08:25,338 --> 00:08:28,508 and do your job. 122 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,885 Sit down and negotiate with us 123 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:35,806 getting into the area where the 21 hostages are being held 124 00:08:37,058 --> 00:08:42,688 here in that main group room because the prisoners 125 00:08:42,688 --> 00:08:47,026 have taken their clothing away and put prison clothes on. 126 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:51,864 They were blindfolded in a circle in the middle of the yard. 127 00:08:51,989 --> 00:08:57,119 They also had guards, inmate guards that were around them, protecting them. 128 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:01,666 And we seen them as captives. 129 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:04,502 We seen as people who were in on the. 130 00:09:06,128 --> 00:09:08,172 Our supervision. 131 00:09:08,631 --> 00:09:11,801 So we couldn't do harm to them, but understand that Islam 132 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:15,471 was that you don't harm a captive, therefore. 133 00:09:16,764 --> 00:09:19,767 It was decided. 134 00:09:19,767 --> 00:09:23,688 To allow the Muslim brothers. 135 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:24,939 To look out for them. 136 00:09:24,939 --> 00:09:27,900 I was so mad at them for not letting us get to the police 137 00:09:28,192 --> 00:09:30,903 because I wanted to put my hands someone I wanted to get wanted 138 00:09:30,903 --> 00:09:32,989 to give them a very fuck them up. 139 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:35,199 These are the same politicians talking down to me, 140 00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:38,077 dirty to me and tell me, get over it. 141 00:09:38,869 --> 00:09:40,830 So I said, Yeah, now what do you think about me now? 142 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:42,456 Yeah, yeah. 143 00:09:42,957 --> 00:09:46,002 And the good thing that the Muslims just did because London police would have been 144 00:09:46,043 --> 00:09:47,461 on video. 145 00:09:51,048 --> 00:09:52,883 It's hard for somebody that 146 00:09:52,883 --> 00:09:58,139 has never been incarcerated to understand how surreal 147 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:03,311 everything is at this point in time, we nobody threatening us. 148 00:10:03,394 --> 00:10:07,523 We had, you know, it sounds crazy, but it was when you had it a little bit, 149 00:10:07,898 --> 00:10:11,694 even this much control over your own life, even for a short period. 150 00:10:11,694 --> 00:10:15,072 You know, it's going to cost you, you know, in spades. 151 00:10:15,823 --> 00:10:19,827 You know, it was a moment of exuberance. Of. 152 00:10:20,828 --> 00:10:25,291 Somehow doing something to have some control over your own life, 153 00:10:25,416 --> 00:10:34,550 you do it up, 154 00:10:34,925 --> 00:10:36,719 don't lose. 155 00:10:42,850 --> 00:10:45,561 When you first got out, there was totally just gave it up. 156 00:10:45,728 --> 00:10:47,021 Guys are coming up. 157 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:49,899 Food, clothing, setting up tents. 158 00:10:52,401 --> 00:10:54,362 Oh, it's a festive time. 159 00:10:54,362 --> 00:10:55,738 We, we're free. 160 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:01,035 We came together as a community, 161 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:03,996 and that's when there was no such thing 162 00:11:04,038 --> 00:11:07,750 as black, white, Hispanic, whatever it was about. 163 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:09,168 We are inmates 164 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:10,628 and we 165 00:11:10,628 --> 00:11:13,923 need to be able to survive whatever's going on. 166 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,550 Oh, good. 167 00:11:19,929 --> 00:11:21,472 Come on, buddy. 168 00:11:21,555 --> 00:11:23,432 So we're you 169 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:28,396 to have, you know, what is it 170 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:30,564 we did about it? 171 00:11:30,564 --> 00:11:31,565 We die. 172 00:11:31,565 --> 00:11:33,442 Got we. 173 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:39,115 The guys that had been to Vietnam, 174 00:11:40,157 --> 00:11:42,785 they said, let's make Hutchins, 175 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:45,413 who draws of ten kids, 176 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:48,916 took a stick and put a sheet over all of that, 177 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:53,546 and I was just sleeping quarters 178 00:11:55,172 --> 00:11:57,842 by the time guys started 179 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:01,846 having to go to the bathroom. 180 00:12:01,846 --> 00:12:04,265 There was none will work 181 00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:07,852 the crowd that had been to Vietnam and been in the army, they said. 182 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:10,020 We got to make that a train. 183 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:11,480 They knew the latrine was. 184 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,483 I don't know what all the training was. 185 00:12:21,157 --> 00:12:22,700 I'll give you a lap. 186 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:24,160 All right. All right. 187 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:26,620 Okay. I got to speak. 188 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:27,288 There was his 189 00:12:28,539 --> 00:12:29,665 brother 190 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:32,918 and I said, Brother, he was white. 191 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:34,879 They call him tiny. 192 00:12:34,962 --> 00:12:38,591 And he was like a nurse before the article, before you happened 193 00:12:39,842 --> 00:12:43,137 to set up a medical section of New York. 194 00:12:43,345 --> 00:12:47,433 For anybody who had any problems to go and in time you would take him 195 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:51,854 and the medical attention in your eye 196 00:12:51,854 --> 00:12:55,441 was much better than the medical tent you got throughout the years. 197 00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:59,069 Oh, and he had a good time. 198 00:12:59,069 --> 00:13:02,782 He was making wine and cooking food outside. 199 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,951 It was like a big picnic, like a chanty town. 200 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:07,620 You know, like that would belong. 201 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:10,539 When in Buffalo Bill was out there, 202 00:13:10,831 --> 00:13:13,959 have you ever watched Gunsmoke 203 00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:14,627 the West? 204 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:19,507 Well, Matt, Matt Dillon was the show marshal at the Gunsmoke. 205 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,467 He kept order 206 00:13:21,967 --> 00:13:23,844 and we didn't have a map. 207 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:28,724 Every man was a law unto himself. 208 00:13:29,683 --> 00:13:31,685 He did whatever the hell you want to do. 209 00:13:33,395 --> 00:13:35,564 There was no order. 210 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:03,843 The assignment 211 00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:08,597 editor says there's this place called Attica and there's 212 00:14:08,806 --> 00:14:14,270 some prison riot up there and we want you to go up and do it. 213 00:14:14,395 --> 00:14:17,565 We're not sure about any of what 214 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:20,526 the details are specifically. 215 00:14:21,026 --> 00:14:24,196 And off I went. 216 00:14:25,155 --> 00:14:29,076 Up to Buffalo and then on to Attica. 217 00:14:35,332 --> 00:14:35,958 This is John 218 00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:38,586 Johnson, ABC News, Attica, New York. 219 00:14:39,044 --> 00:14:42,548 It was just an extremely 220 00:14:43,674 --> 00:14:46,260 fluid situation, to say the least. 221 00:14:46,552 --> 00:14:49,054 And it was hard to get information. 222 00:14:49,263 --> 00:14:53,183 I mean, we couldn't get inside, and all we heard was 223 00:14:53,475 --> 00:14:56,061 these inmates want to talk 224 00:14:56,312 --> 00:14:59,607 and they have prisoners. 225 00:14:59,815 --> 00:15:02,026 And this was something almost 226 00:15:02,026 --> 00:15:04,862 that had never happened in history. 227 00:15:05,112 --> 00:15:09,366 This huge institution where the inmates have taken over. 228 00:15:09,825 --> 00:15:10,826 Oh my goodness. 229 00:15:13,078 --> 00:15:15,497 Atika, New York had never heard of Atika, New York. 230 00:15:15,539 --> 00:15:17,249 What's an etiquette? 231 00:15:17,291 --> 00:15:20,169 Quite frankly, I did not know what to expect 232 00:15:20,169 --> 00:15:22,338 when I got to Atika. 233 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:25,966 We parked right in front of the prison, 234 00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:31,055 so consequently we just set up and started 235 00:15:31,055 --> 00:15:33,891 filming as much as we possibly could 236 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:37,019 of the activities outside of the prison 237 00:15:38,312 --> 00:15:41,023 . We had no idea what was happening inside. 238 00:15:41,398 --> 00:15:46,403 Your instructions are that your weapon is not to be taken by you. 239 00:15:46,403 --> 00:15:49,239 To be taken, you're to meet force with force. 240 00:15:50,282 --> 00:15:53,410 There have been some of the prison personnel severely injured here 241 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,914 this morning, and we certainly don't want to see any right 242 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:57,957 people hurt. 243 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:02,878 The state police officers 244 00:16:02,878 --> 00:16:06,090 were being handed out weapons. 245 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,593 They were making sure they had gas masks. 246 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:15,474 It looked to me like they were ready to go in and retake the prison. 247 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:19,186 The inmates circumstances, might you go inside? 248 00:16:20,187 --> 00:16:20,729 Pardon me. 249 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:22,648 Might you go inside under some circumstances? 250 00:16:22,648 --> 00:16:25,317 Well, one doesn't know. I'll have to fill this out. 251 00:16:25,359 --> 00:16:27,528 The inmates made any demands. one me. 252 00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:28,404 I don't know. 253 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:30,906 They say that they only want to speak with the governor or me. 254 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,284 There seem to be some sense at the time 255 00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:38,372 that we are going to have to negotiate something 256 00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:42,376 to save the lives of the hostages 257 00:16:42,626 --> 00:16:46,338 because of the hostages that they have. 258 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:49,842 There's the possibility that negotiations 259 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,468 will begin. 260 00:16:53,345 --> 00:16:57,099 And we're looking at a man 261 00:16:58,892 --> 00:17:02,354 using a loudspeaker on a bullhorn. 262 00:17:05,357 --> 00:17:05,899 Well, 263 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:10,446 there appears to be a large meeting going on in this area, 264 00:17:10,446 --> 00:17:13,490 although we can't hear anything from that section. 265 00:17:15,325 --> 00:17:15,951 That's right. 266 00:17:18,662 --> 00:17:19,246 And inmates 267 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:22,750 decided that, you know, they're in a situation that, 268 00:17:23,083 --> 00:17:26,170 you know, that required man a little bit more focus, 269 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:30,841 a little bit more discipline, how to combine the actual population. 270 00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:32,551 Who do you want to represent you? You 271 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:38,390 mean we had elections, blah blah blah. 272 00:17:39,349 --> 00:17:41,560 That's where we got our leaders from. 273 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,061 Hell. 274 00:17:42,686 --> 00:17:44,605 Now some guys have some juice in. 275 00:17:44,605 --> 00:17:46,106 They already. 276 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:48,942 The guys that have been there, while 277 00:17:48,942 --> 00:17:51,570 all other inmates respected 278 00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:55,407 what they were saying made sense to most, everybody was in the yard. 279 00:17:57,367 --> 00:17:58,827 And they had a plan 280 00:17:58,827 --> 00:18:02,206 and they had a plan about making things different for the prison system itself. 281 00:18:03,749 --> 00:18:08,462 All we want is the basic necessities of being treated like human beings, 282 00:18:09,046 --> 00:18:11,423 even though we're in prison, we're human beings and stuff like that. 283 00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:15,844 The prisoners 284 00:18:15,844 --> 00:18:18,722 in the yard must have had a radio. 285 00:18:19,056 --> 00:18:21,767 They heard I was outside. 286 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:23,852 So they ask for me to come in. 287 00:18:24,728 --> 00:18:26,772 I said, sure. 288 00:18:27,231 --> 00:18:29,441 And they then said 289 00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:33,570 we would like Commissioner Oswald to come in, and 290 00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:36,365 some of his assistant 291 00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:40,285 said, Don't go, don't go that you can't trust them. 292 00:18:41,411 --> 00:18:43,997 And Oswald said, Of course, I'm going to go in. 293 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:48,252 We are glad to have someone from the administration 294 00:18:48,919 --> 00:18:51,672 point blank coming in and view it as fact, now 295 00:18:52,297 --> 00:18:54,633 we're making some kind of headway beginning here. 296 00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:56,510 We got some contact with somebody. 297 00:18:56,510 --> 00:18:59,054 We've got some negotiations for you listening to us. 298 00:18:59,304 --> 00:19:02,891 I've never heard of this before negotiating 299 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:08,105 with inmates, and I just assume 300 00:19:08,647 --> 00:19:14,653 that this was going to be in a landmark moment in American history. 301 00:19:14,695 --> 00:19:18,740 I thought that this was going to be negotiated 302 00:19:19,074 --> 00:19:22,077 to a decent humanitarian end. 303 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:26,415 It seems to be a little misunderstanding about why. 304 00:19:27,457 --> 00:19:29,626 This incident developed at Attica 305 00:19:29,626 --> 00:19:32,171 in this declaration here will explain the reasons 306 00:19:32,921 --> 00:19:38,135 the entire incident that has erupted here, Adam, is not a result. 307 00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:45,184 Well, in college towns and their factory towns, 308 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,645 there's all kinds of towns in this country and this is Attica, New York. 309 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:51,356 It's a prison town. 310 00:19:53,066 --> 00:19:55,068 Most of the people in the village of Attica 311 00:19:55,068 --> 00:19:57,738 make their living, working at the state prison 312 00:19:59,573 --> 00:20:00,699 for 40 years. 313 00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:03,243 Most have lived within sight of the prison wall. 314 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,079 They have never feared. 315 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:11,543 The village of Attica 316 00:20:11,543 --> 00:20:14,254 was a great place to live was 317 00:20:15,547 --> 00:20:16,632 very typical. 318 00:20:16,632 --> 00:20:19,051 I think small town 319 00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:21,845 where you knew everyone, 320 00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:24,848 you were related to probably half of the town. 321 00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:30,354 We've ride our bikes through town, go to the park, 322 00:20:30,354 --> 00:20:35,067 we go swimming at the public pool, we go hiking up in the woods. 323 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:41,531 Erica is a company town. 324 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:46,286 Many of the people who work there and have lived in our town 325 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:50,916 worked as either civilian employees or corrections officers at Attica. 326 00:20:52,501 --> 00:20:56,004 My grandfather worked there. 327 00:20:56,338 --> 00:20:58,882 My dad worked there. 328 00:20:59,132 --> 00:21:00,676 And between six or 329 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:04,429 eight of the houses that were on our street had correctional officers 330 00:21:04,471 --> 00:21:07,641 or civilian individuals working in them with their families. 331 00:21:12,437 --> 00:21:14,815 These were the only jobs in the area, 332 00:21:15,607 --> 00:21:18,694 dairy farming and the prisons. 333 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:22,531 So there was this culture clash that came together to Africa. 334 00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:25,075 You had all white guards. 335 00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:29,079 And a population of prisoners, 336 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:32,666 there was 70 or more percent black and brown. 337 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:36,503 What could go wrong? 338 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,677 And the reputation was called the last stop. 339 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:46,763 This was the most strict prison in the state of New York. 340 00:21:46,805 --> 00:21:48,724 It was known the word was dead 341 00:21:48,724 --> 00:21:51,935 that when you got there, you knew where he was in for a hard place. 342 00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:55,314 Last place, the last place, Attica was the last place 343 00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:57,774 that was that was that that was last. 344 00:21:57,774 --> 00:22:00,694 And you've got to really be there to see why 345 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:03,905 there was no, no black guards in Attica. 346 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,158 There was no Spanish guards. 347 00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:10,078 They were all white people, man that come from the local neighborhoods 348 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:14,374 that don't know nothing about people who come from broken 349 00:22:14,624 --> 00:22:18,003 people who come from Manhattan, people who come from the Bronx. 350 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,380 They don't know nothing about this culture. 351 00:22:21,465 --> 00:22:23,800 Most of them don't even want to talk to you. 352 00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:25,260 They're giving you just straight. 353 00:22:25,260 --> 00:22:26,887 Don't talk to me. 354 00:22:26,887 --> 00:22:29,181 And it was like that Don't talk to me. 355 00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:31,558 They were hit the state bar. 356 00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:32,851 And this is a metal. 357 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:35,395 A metal tips that. 358 00:22:35,395 --> 00:22:38,774 And it rings out, but and you walk 359 00:22:39,399 --> 00:22:41,943 and then when they want you to stop, they said. But 360 00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:45,030 that was their communication. 361 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:47,574 The only thing was right was being right 362 00:22:47,574 --> 00:22:49,785 and I mean it in all sincerity 363 00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:53,413 where everybody was sort of like not so much mixing with other countries 364 00:22:53,413 --> 00:22:55,999 would stand together for the purpose of the. 365 00:22:58,001 --> 00:22:59,336 Survival, 366 00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:02,047 I was white, so I got the best jobs. 367 00:23:02,756 --> 00:23:05,050 I was always given a little bit 368 00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:08,804 more leeway than the Blacks. 369 00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:13,100 I can get an extra meal if I want to one because I was a white guy. 370 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:17,354 I'm a I'm a white guy, you know, give me a little extra. 371 00:23:17,604 --> 00:23:18,897 And I got it. 372 00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:22,651 I always was able to manipulate the system 373 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:25,195 inside the prison because I was a white guy. 374 00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:29,533 I'm almost ashamed to say that I took advantage of that back then, 375 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,036 but it was the only way to survive. 376 00:23:33,036 --> 00:23:35,414 It really, really was. 377 00:23:45,006 --> 00:23:45,757 A roll of toilet 378 00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:48,135 paper would have to last you a month. 379 00:23:49,845 --> 00:23:52,055 You have to be a magician or tear up papers 380 00:23:52,055 --> 00:23:55,350 out of the books and stuff like that to wipe your behind and stuff like that. 381 00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:58,186 Guys were complaining about basically things like toothpaste. 382 00:23:59,312 --> 00:24:00,897 Toilet paper. 383 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:03,442 A change of sheets. 384 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,402 More than once a month. 385 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,487 Things like digging clothes being cleaned. 386 00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:11,241 Personal hygiene, things being treated like human beings. 387 00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:17,205 No school program, Atika, was. 388 00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:19,916 I can't describe it to me. 389 00:24:20,375 --> 00:24:21,585 It was dead. 390 00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:23,336 It was just dead. 391 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,384 There was no religious freedom, particularly 392 00:24:29,384 --> 00:24:32,012 for the burgeoning Muslim movement. 393 00:24:32,179 --> 00:24:35,640 They were denied the right to worship. 394 00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:40,854 They were fed pork because the prison also had a farm where they raised pigs. 395 00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:43,899 So that's what you god. 396 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:46,193 If it isn't $0.60 a day, 397 00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,862 so that's $0.24 a meal. 398 00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:52,407 If saw money on $0.21. 399 00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:54,826 I swear to God, 400 00:24:54,826 --> 00:24:57,746 one time I got my head opened up by God 401 00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:00,707 and I was put into a segregation cell. 402 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,960 And a doctor came, you know, 403 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,004 just out of I was bleeding all over. 404 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:10,467 So it's like they cracked my head wide open. 405 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:15,096 Put it over here, but they had a feeding hole in the cell. 406 00:25:16,264 --> 00:25:17,724 And so I put it that he put a 407 00:25:17,724 --> 00:25:21,353 flashlight like, I swear to God, he hit me with the flashlight. 408 00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:25,398 Right, right where the cut was. 409 00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:27,943 And walked away. 410 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:35,033 They wait until everybody is locked up at night 411 00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,953 and then they come for you, come for you as a goose. 412 00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:44,042 These are the beat up police. 413 00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:46,294 These two guys, they come nine, ten. 414 00:25:47,587 --> 00:25:49,339 Real big guys 415 00:25:49,339 --> 00:25:53,718 with real big sticks when they come in and they beat you up in your show 416 00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:57,138 and then they take, you say, gation and sometimes you don't come back. 417 00:25:57,472 --> 00:25:59,015 Attica was. 418 00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:02,852 It's. 419 00:26:05,188 --> 00:26:08,733 Fear they they ran the prison would fear. 420 00:26:10,193 --> 00:26:12,654 Being scared of them were their means 421 00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:15,365 of running a prison. 422 00:26:18,618 --> 00:26:21,288 You either shut your mouth or you were in big trouble. 423 00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:25,458 Some people died. 424 00:26:26,042 --> 00:26:29,754 Somewhat crippled, somewhat psychologically damaged 425 00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:33,717 for life. And. 426 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,388 It was a bad place to be. 427 00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:45,979 They wanted to to institute 428 00:26:45,979 --> 00:26:48,732 and instill that fear and that they were in control, 429 00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:52,402 even though they knew they were losing control. 430 00:26:54,821 --> 00:26:55,822 My generation 431 00:26:55,822 --> 00:26:58,325 that came into Annika at that time, 432 00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:02,329 we felt that we was in broken Malabar as we wasn't 433 00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:05,540 shuffling our feet, we would walk with our heads up high. 434 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:08,001 We would talk in our own lingo. 435 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:09,336 Who's your daddy? 436 00:27:09,336 --> 00:27:11,087 That's what we were going to take. 437 00:27:11,087 --> 00:27:13,006 Nothing from nobody. 438 00:27:13,256 --> 00:27:15,425 We want to respect. 439 00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,762 You had to give it to us, would you want to do or not? 440 00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:22,307 I'd read Algiers Cleaver Soul on Ice. 441 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:27,479 Huey Newton and, you know, the path of Piety and George Jackson story. 442 00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:28,897 I read all that stuff. 443 00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,565 George Jackson was revolutionary. 444 00:27:30,565 --> 00:27:35,904 He's got to get busted for a ten dollar on gas station robbery and gang life. 445 00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:38,865 He ended up in the system in the soul of the prison. 446 00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:42,410 He showed us. And I mean us. 447 00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:45,705 The younger guys that came into Attica 448 00:27:46,456 --> 00:27:49,626 there was OK to say no. 449 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:52,253 It was OK to be rebellious. 450 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:56,716 Understand they may be consequences to saying no. 451 00:27:58,134 --> 00:28:00,053 But it was OK 452 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,098 and it was uplifting, it was uplifting. 453 00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:07,519 I think racism is a controlled of control would 454 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,106 create an atmosphere whereby then 455 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:16,361 petroleum, of course, here in prison we see the repression 456 00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:18,655 and the exploitation, 457 00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:21,616 the victimization of. 458 00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:24,577 Lower class people's. 459 00:28:24,744 --> 00:28:27,747 A lot of Black Panthers were coming to prison. 460 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,251 I started hanging out with them and they politicized me. 461 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:35,422 The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense calls upon the American people in general 462 00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:39,592 and the black people in particular to take careful note of the racist. 463 00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:43,304 Police agencies throughout the country are intensifying the terror, 464 00:28:43,513 --> 00:28:46,558 brutality, murder and repression of black people. 465 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:51,896 Of course, you had black Muslims and his message to a black man really? 466 00:28:52,188 --> 00:28:55,400 Well, a lot of guys that were in jail. 467 00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:57,277 You want one thing? 468 00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:59,946 We declare our right on this word 469 00:29:00,530 --> 00:29:04,242 to be a man, to be a human being, to be respected, 470 00:29:04,325 --> 00:29:07,412 every human being, to be given the rights of a human being 471 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:12,083 in this society, on this Earth, and this day what we intend 472 00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:16,212 to bring into existence by any means in the city. 473 00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:21,801 Officials at 474 00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:25,054 California's San Quentin Prison still are trying to piece together 475 00:29:25,054 --> 00:29:28,767 exactly what happened and how inmate attempted prison break yesterday, 476 00:29:29,058 --> 00:29:31,603 in which three convicts and three guards died. 477 00:29:32,312 --> 00:29:35,565 one of the dead convicts was George Jackson of the self-styled 478 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:38,276 Soledad Brothers. Jackson was 29. 479 00:29:38,902 --> 00:29:40,904 Joy Jackson was that final straw? 480 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:42,280 I don't give a fuck no more. 481 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,615 You're going to kill us anyway. 482 00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:45,825 We can't get out when it's fucking cage. 483 00:29:45,825 --> 00:29:47,035 So where we're going. 484 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:49,746 So if we're going to die, let's die as men. 485 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:53,625 And brother just got frustrated. 486 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,378 We'd go into the mess hall 487 00:29:57,378 --> 00:29:59,964 with a black band on Iran. 488 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:02,634 And just sit there, take a spoon when you come in. 489 00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:04,969 Take no food. 490 00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:06,513 We didn't speak. 491 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:10,475 During the whole time, we didn't pick up any food. 492 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,521 That I think kind of alerted 493 00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:17,023 the institution that we are in solidarity. 494 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:20,276 They're probably seen that type 495 00:30:20,276 --> 00:30:23,112 of solidarity before. 496 00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:31,871 There was a lot of talk 497 00:30:31,871 --> 00:30:34,040 discussing the situation 498 00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:38,211 because the inmates were very upset 499 00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:40,839 and things were happening here 500 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:43,591 and there was great concern. 501 00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:48,012 It was a time bomb ready to blow, and we live with it 502 00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:51,724 every day in my house and every day I say goodbye to my dad. 503 00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:54,310 And I knew it might be the last day I saw him. 504 00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:57,981 It was open conversation. 505 00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:02,402 Things were getting worse, 506 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,779 and so they had a meeting with the administration 507 00:31:05,446 --> 00:31:08,324 in the administration, essentially dismissed their concerns 508 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:11,202 and said everybody back to work. 509 00:31:11,828 --> 00:31:14,122 However, we think maybe it's a good idea if you left 510 00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:17,500 your personal belongings at home like wedding rings, wallets, et cetera. 511 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:21,045 So my father absolutely knew that something was going on. 512 00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:24,841 I was having breakfast with him and he was talking to me, 513 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:26,467 and I knew he was nervous. 514 00:31:26,467 --> 00:31:29,971 When he said something's going to happen, he said, I just don't know what or when, 515 00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:31,890 but I think I'll be OK. 516 00:31:36,477 --> 00:31:37,437 There was a fight 517 00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:40,648 in a yard on September eighth, 518 00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:43,902 and the guards promised nothing would happen as a result of this 519 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,863 because they could feel the tension building up. 520 00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,616 Then that night, they broke that promise. 521 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:54,495 They came and pulled them out of cells and about three or four of them. 522 00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:56,456 And then. 523 00:31:58,499 --> 00:32:00,627 He was thought to embarrass Barroso would have a glass. 524 00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:05,256 May have had or cans or whatever they may had, and it was a disturbance that dear. 525 00:32:05,673 --> 00:32:10,386 So the inmates decided at that moment, Man, this is a man we tied. 526 00:32:10,637 --> 00:32:12,138 I mean, they killed Josh Jackson. 527 00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:13,765 They did this throughout the years. 528 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:16,476 We tie, you know, and they they went off. 529 00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:29,197 I was in school that day. 530 00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,324 And the whistle 531 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:34,327 from the prison just kept going, and we could hear it. 532 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:37,705 We got calls from somebody from the prison 533 00:32:37,705 --> 00:32:40,249 saying that your dad, you know, is definitely being held. 534 00:32:41,042 --> 00:32:43,044 You know, I was scared, I was worried for my dad. 535 00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:47,340 I love my dad, but we didn't really know what was going on. 536 00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:53,096 Understanding about what? 537 00:32:53,096 --> 00:32:57,225 This incident developing it added in this declaration here will explain 538 00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:02,271 the reasons for the entire incident that has erupted here at Attica 539 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:06,901 is not a result of the dastardly bushwhacking of the two prisoners. 540 00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:12,740 September eighth of 1970 11 of the unmitigated oppression wrought 541 00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:16,536 by the racist administrative network of this prison throughout the years. 542 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,207 We want the government to guarantee that there will be no reprisals 543 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:25,461 and we want all facets of the media to articulate this. 544 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,048 We needed the media in there because we needed 545 00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:31,342 to let the world know what was happening. 546 00:33:32,468 --> 00:33:36,472 We know this is one of the turning points 547 00:33:36,472 --> 00:33:38,433 in the whole thing. 548 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,645 We would like the press to come in, 549 00:33:43,312 --> 00:33:45,648 including the television cameras 550 00:33:48,234 --> 00:33:51,112 that transformed everything. 551 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:56,909 Because now the prisoners had a worldwide audience. 552 00:33:59,287 --> 00:34:01,706 Whatever happens here at Attica State Prison, 553 00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:07,086 I'm not sure how they heard that there was a black journalist outside 554 00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:10,506 that they wanted me to be 555 00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:13,634 on the group that went in with us. 556 00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:16,637 Suddenly, I'm on in this group 557 00:34:17,346 --> 00:34:20,516 going into the prison with this. 558 00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,519 Head of the prison system. 559 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,564 I was surprised that they had asked for me. 560 00:34:27,648 --> 00:34:31,402 But I guess because of the fact that they had watched 561 00:34:31,944 --> 00:34:35,490 the news, my reports were factual 562 00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:39,952 and I was not taking anybody's side 563 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:42,371 in the whole thing. 564 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,625 We went in 565 00:34:45,958 --> 00:34:50,004 and it was completely surreal, 566 00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:54,425 like, you're walking down a tunnel and suddenly 567 00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:57,178 you walk into this huge yard 568 00:34:57,553 --> 00:35:02,767 where there are men everywhere like thousands of men. 569 00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:05,645 And I remember 570 00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:08,397 some people yelling, Hey, J.J.. 571 00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:11,400 I said hello to people 572 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,237 that I knew from Bed-Stuy and Harlem, 573 00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:18,574 and they were in Attica. 574 00:35:21,035 --> 00:35:23,579 Once inside, we were brought along through the yard 575 00:35:23,579 --> 00:35:27,125 with a member of the inmate security force constantly at our side. 576 00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:30,336 We were allowed to go where they told us to go. 577 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:32,463 We were all allowed to film. 578 00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:34,590 Only one of the prisoners told us we could. 579 00:35:35,174 --> 00:35:38,261 Inmates faces were covered so as to keep their identities secret. 580 00:35:39,178 --> 00:35:42,765 Our first concern on entering was to learn how the hostages 581 00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:45,810 were going to see the hostages, but 582 00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:48,271 I was able to ask. 583 00:35:49,313 --> 00:35:52,233 one question before I was moved 584 00:35:52,692 --> 00:35:56,237 to the negotiation table to read it, all right. 585 00:35:56,362 --> 00:35:59,532 Yes, I have so far, but very no, no complaints, but 586 00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:02,743 no problem solver so far and treat it very good. 587 00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:06,664 Shortly thereafter, one of the inmates, 588 00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,168 a young man by the name of l.D. 589 00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:12,753 Barclay, started to read 590 00:36:13,796 --> 00:36:16,549 the demands of the entire prison population. 591 00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:22,138 That means each and every one of us here have set forth to change forever. 592 00:36:22,388 --> 00:36:25,433 The ruthless brutalization and disregard for the lives 593 00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,394 of the prisoners here and throughout the United States. 594 00:36:28,769 --> 00:36:31,105 He was saying, What we all want you to scream. 595 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:35,234 But he was explaining it so that everybody could understand 596 00:36:35,651 --> 00:36:38,237 so that when you were sitting in your living room, 597 00:36:38,237 --> 00:36:40,489 you could say, Well, the guy's a criminal. 598 00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:41,657 Yeah, but. 599 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,326 He is saying something that's. 600 00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:43,743 That's 601 00:36:45,828 --> 00:36:47,455 that I understand that. 602 00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:50,458 How could we do that, you know, he was waking up America. 603 00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:53,711 And he was the best one to do it. 604 00:36:53,711 --> 00:36:55,671 We are men. 605 00:36:55,671 --> 00:36:59,842 We are not beasts and we do not intend to be beaten or driven effort. 606 00:37:00,051 --> 00:37:02,929 Audi is only going to be here for 90 days, 607 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:06,390 he'll be getting out, but he wanted to the outside world and noted. 608 00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:10,937 The prison is inhumane. 609 00:37:10,937 --> 00:37:13,481 What has happened here is but the sound of 610 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:16,150 for the fury of those who are oppressed, 611 00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:19,362 we will not compromise on any terms 612 00:37:19,612 --> 00:37:22,698 except those terms that are agreeable to us. 613 00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:24,784 We call. 614 00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,999 You felt it. 615 00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:35,211 And at that moment, 616 00:37:35,211 --> 00:37:37,964 I heard it and I seen it. 617 00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:41,425 And that reaffirmed 618 00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:44,387 why we was data, why I was there. 619 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,518 It was a feeling that this was big. 620 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,479 This was huge. 621 00:37:56,857 --> 00:38:00,361 Corrections Commissioner Oswald maintained 622 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,155 that he had done 623 00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,993 quite a bit of the things 624 00:38:06,993 --> 00:38:09,996 that the inmates had requested. 625 00:38:10,496 --> 00:38:11,580 I've, 626 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:14,250 uh, complied 627 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:18,421 with the several things I said I would do as my part. 628 00:38:18,963 --> 00:38:22,633 I brought the press and other media 629 00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:25,845 in here to listen as we talk. 630 00:38:26,095 --> 00:38:29,849 And now my question is I asked earlier, 631 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,312 when will you release the hostages? 632 00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:37,565 Now the table was turned 633 00:38:38,357 --> 00:38:41,110 and we had the power, 634 00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:43,154 so when we asked him for something, 635 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:46,157 he had to give it to us because he had no choice. 636 00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:49,243 We wanted some assurance that we weren't 637 00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:51,537 going to be retaliated against. 638 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,749 So we ask Herman Schwartz 639 00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:56,959 to go to District Court in New York. 640 00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:01,130 And I get an injunction 641 00:39:01,756 --> 00:39:05,426 that would assure us that we wouldn't be retaliated against. 642 00:39:05,968 --> 00:39:08,179 I sat down and wrote an injunction. 643 00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:13,267 Which barred any kind of retaliation. 644 00:39:14,602 --> 00:39:16,645 It had been agreed that there would be 645 00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:18,647 another meeting the next morning. 646 00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,152 The time is now ten minutes late. 647 00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:26,447 We've been shooting this tape for approximately two hours. 648 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:30,117 We started about 6:00 p.m.. 649 00:39:30,576 --> 00:39:32,620 Light is almost gone now 650 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:35,998 we can see lights in cell block D. 651 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:46,217 Oh. The guy next to me 652 00:39:46,759 --> 00:39:49,053 was named Raymond Wei. 653 00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:53,140 You open up in the air. 654 00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:56,310 Gardner still remain way, your way, 655 00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:59,355 your smear 656 00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:02,775 ain't been out at the dog and 22 years. 657 00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:06,779 And we was talking 658 00:40:06,779 --> 00:40:09,031 singing songs, it was it was a festive night. 659 00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:11,033 I loved it. I loved it. 660 00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:14,662 Then I was out in the nighttime looking at the stars. 661 00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:17,331 I was drunk. I was happy. I was. I liked it. 662 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:20,376 Yeah, I was having a good time and it was good. 663 00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:22,461 I feel free. 664 00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:26,090 You know, I mean, prison was dead, but you know, I felt free. 665 00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:28,342 And you had to hear 666 00:40:29,343 --> 00:40:31,720 the doors not locking. 667 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,433 And if and if it was a good feeling that that first night 668 00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,894 when it got dark 669 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:41,564 and everybody was talking about finding somewhere to sleep with, 670 00:40:41,605 --> 00:40:44,692 you know, don't sleep alone and you know, that type of thing. 671 00:40:44,984 --> 00:40:47,820 There's a lot of psychopaths and sociopaths 672 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,365 in those facilities, so you know you had to protect yourself from 673 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:54,994 from your peers, even. 674 00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:04,879 Well, I knew this was going to last forever. 675 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,046 I knew they would. 676 00:41:06,046 --> 00:41:09,175 It would be an end this. 677 00:41:09,175 --> 00:41:10,801 But just because he was incarcerated 678 00:41:10,801 --> 00:41:12,887 didn't mean that we were less than human. 679 00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:18,601 Somebody had to take the stand. 680 00:41:27,776 --> 00:41:28,444 At dawn, 681 00:41:28,444 --> 00:41:32,990 a smoke from yesterday's fires lingered over prison walls, a federal injunction 682 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:37,661 was obtained prohibiting physical reprisal against those involved in the riot. 683 00:41:39,371 --> 00:41:41,749 When I brought in the injunction, 684 00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:46,378 we talked to the prisoners at opposite ends 685 00:41:46,629 --> 00:41:49,381 of a rather long tunnel. 686 00:41:50,424 --> 00:41:52,843 They said where where the administrators. 687 00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:54,678 I don't know. 688 00:41:54,678 --> 00:41:56,972 I'm here about know where they are. 689 00:41:56,972 --> 00:41:59,767 Finally, at 10:00, Oswald 690 00:41:59,767 --> 00:42:02,102 and the others show up. 691 00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:05,397 The prisoners were furious. 692 00:42:05,397 --> 00:42:09,527 They had been, as they would put it, dissed. 693 00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:12,780 They're supposed to meet at seven or 8:00 and. 694 00:42:14,031 --> 00:42:16,116 It was very clear 695 00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:19,286 the air was very tense. 696 00:42:19,703 --> 00:42:22,957 You had the table spread out. 697 00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:26,544 We were on one side. 698 00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,796 The inmates were on the other. 699 00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:32,049 And I gave the document 700 00:42:32,049 --> 00:42:34,426 that the judge had signed this. 701 00:42:35,678 --> 00:42:36,887 It's nothing. 702 00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,765 I'm sorry, I spent hours of 703 00:42:40,182 --> 00:42:42,810 of and got no sleep and trouble 704 00:42:43,477 --> 00:42:47,439 declaring that a federal judge has signed off on an injunction 705 00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:51,527 saying that there would be no reprisals, anything that can. 706 00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:54,905 Waving that at us 707 00:42:54,905 --> 00:42:57,324 and they're free to do so was the same. 708 00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,244 There was no judicial seal on it. 709 00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:03,914 I have received injunctions from the Southern District, 710 00:43:04,164 --> 00:43:06,083 which are judicial fields. 711 00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:08,085 This paper is an empty gesture. 712 00:43:08,168 --> 00:43:09,169 Jerry, did you? 713 00:43:09,169 --> 00:43:10,838 That was his nickname. 714 00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:15,342 Jerry Rosenberg was a hell of a guy and he was well respected. 715 00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:16,552 He had a law degree. 716 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:19,930 Any new law he would help 717 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,224 all the inmates, she was a jailhouse lawyer. 718 00:43:23,642 --> 00:43:26,520 You can take this piece of paper and throw it away 719 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:28,230 because this is no protection. 720 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:31,275 Geoffrey Rosenberg God bless him, sir. 721 00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:34,445 Charging scientists. 722 00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:37,740 There's no there's no lost in district court 723 00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:41,910 stamp on this document saying that, you know what? 724 00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:45,331 Nothing will happen to worse and torn up. 725 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:48,834 You know, we know you mean well, 726 00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:51,211 but don't come with the bullshit here. 727 00:43:52,004 --> 00:43:54,715 We want a judicial seal and a continuing 728 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:58,093 restraining order until the litigation is finally ended 729 00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:01,889 without any reprisal or brutality against any inmate 730 00:44:02,097 --> 00:44:04,141 of this institution. 731 00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:15,277 Well, lawyers know 732 00:44:15,277 --> 00:44:18,113 that seals don't mean anything 733 00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:23,118 so long as the signature is there. 734 00:44:23,118 --> 00:44:26,497 I could have kicked Jerry's ass, and I should have 735 00:44:27,706 --> 00:44:28,582 read because 736 00:44:28,582 --> 00:44:31,377 he he just started to grandstand. 737 00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:34,463 You know, he was caught up in the moment. 738 00:44:36,382 --> 00:44:38,425 Good, smart as he is 739 00:44:38,425 --> 00:44:42,179 and a shrewd as he is, he over reacted. 740 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,391 And we lost an opportunity there. 741 00:44:45,391 --> 00:44:48,769 And then somebody said, let's hold them. 742 00:44:49,144 --> 00:44:51,146 Let's add to the hostage Cal. 743 00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:57,653 I speak everybody here, 744 00:44:57,653 --> 00:44:59,988 I want to to you as well. 745 00:44:59,988 --> 00:45:02,074 When you come in here covering the game, 746 00:45:02,908 --> 00:45:07,705 I know you don't give a fuck about no max that they somehow give a fuck about you. 747 00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:10,165 Nothing I know. 748 00:45:10,165 --> 00:45:12,751 Nothing, you know? 749 00:45:12,751 --> 00:45:14,962 And I'm gonna to leave you. 750 00:45:14,962 --> 00:45:17,631 It seems to me that you are 751 00:45:18,924 --> 00:45:22,302 saying to me that you, you are an artist at pretty rare occasion. 752 00:45:23,137 --> 00:45:25,597 I bear witness to your evil deeds, Mr. Art. 753 00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:28,058 Now I repeat, 754 00:45:28,058 --> 00:45:31,478 as I told you yesterday, we are being lenient with you. 755 00:45:32,438 --> 00:45:34,022 We are negotiating. 756 00:45:34,022 --> 00:45:36,483 We are talking. We shouldn't be. 757 00:45:36,984 --> 00:45:38,610 We should be demanding. 758 00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:39,611 So why? 759 00:45:39,611 --> 00:45:43,282 Because we have 35 lives, not hostages. 760 00:45:43,949 --> 00:45:44,950 And I repeat Mr. 761 00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:49,037 Oswald, a moment's hesitation would cause you delay. 762 00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,915 The meeting in the yard got very tense 763 00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:56,962 because Oswald would talk to you from one side of the mouth. 764 00:45:57,254 --> 00:45:59,631 And then when he left the yard and go outside, 765 00:45:59,631 --> 00:46:02,050 he talks from the other side of the mouth 766 00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,137 of the inmates made any demands that, you know, there are all kinds 767 00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:08,849 of demands, you know, for the change of change in the whole world. 768 00:46:08,974 --> 00:46:12,644 But what he forgot was that he was being seen on TV. 769 00:46:13,729 --> 00:46:15,522 Come on, how could you do that? 770 00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:18,108 We watch you 771 00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:22,780 and you stated it yesterday on the news media, in a huff, in a panic, you said. 772 00:46:22,905 --> 00:46:24,490 Well, I don't know what they want. 773 00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:26,617 They want the world and what you like. 774 00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:27,826 You walk away from reporters. 775 00:46:27,826 --> 00:46:29,912 Would you reply that the sidewalk? 776 00:46:29,912 --> 00:46:32,247 Yes, I did say that. 777 00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:33,665 Let him finish. 778 00:46:33,665 --> 00:46:34,708 I don't say that. 779 00:46:34,708 --> 00:46:37,294 Can't bullshit a bullshitter. 780 00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:38,712 You can't do that. 781 00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:41,173 The first time he came in, I'm going to do 782 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:43,300 this, a b, c, d e f g 783 00:46:44,426 --> 00:46:46,845 and people said, All right, going back to business, get it done, 784 00:46:47,262 --> 00:46:49,598 came back in and started talking and you know, 785 00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:54,186 it was going around about hearing around about then this scenario. 786 00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:56,271 Not that the hostages go. 787 00:46:56,772 --> 00:46:59,066 But you be hostage, 788 00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:01,109 whatever, you know, power 789 00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:02,861 and water. 790 00:47:02,861 --> 00:47:03,821 We haven't got that. 791 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,949 We're going to get Mr. Harper for himself. 792 00:47:07,157 --> 00:47:08,450 So we got to. 793 00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:13,413 We're not letting him out of here and keeping him in Austin. 794 00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:16,041 We all we shut that down. 795 00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:17,835 We're not going to be like them. 796 00:47:17,835 --> 00:47:19,002 We're not going to break our word. 797 00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:22,005 And it says, well, inmates would be more honorable than them. 798 00:47:22,005 --> 00:47:25,884 Yes, we were because we gave him my word nothing would happen to him. 799 00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:35,936 Everybody starts 800 00:47:35,936 --> 00:47:38,522 screaming at him, go, let him go. 801 00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:40,440 Don't. 802 00:47:45,487 --> 00:47:46,989 He got out of Dodge. 803 00:47:46,989 --> 00:47:49,324 He never came back. 804 00:47:53,328 --> 00:47:54,288 In New York State, 805 00:47:54,288 --> 00:47:58,667 some 500 inmates of the Attica maximum security prison are still in revolt. 806 00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:02,087 Authorities tried unsuccessfully to reach a settlement with the prisoners 807 00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:06,383 over demands for reforms and to obtain release of more than 30 hostages. 808 00:48:06,758 --> 00:48:10,429 We have a report on what's been happening at Attica from ABC's John Johnson. 809 00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,473 Fires were still burning at Attica State Prison, 810 00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:16,768 despite a small army of police and state troopers. 811 00:48:16,935 --> 00:48:19,563 The prisoners continue to call the shots at Attica. 812 00:48:20,272 --> 00:48:22,691 Commissioner Oswald announced that 813 00:48:22,691 --> 00:48:25,652 prison officials were attempting to bring to the prison 814 00:48:25,819 --> 00:48:30,616 those people requested by the prisoners in areas under where the group 815 00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:33,577 was basically people 816 00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:38,123 whom they knew people like Tom Wicker, 817 00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:40,876 who had written a column about prisoners. 818 00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:44,087 Senator John Dunn was chairman 819 00:48:44,087 --> 00:48:46,673 of the Prisons Committee and sympathetic. 820 00:48:47,299 --> 00:48:49,259 He was asked to come. 821 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:52,638 Bill Kunstler, a lawyer for the Chicago 822 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:55,223 seven, asked him to come in 823 00:48:55,974 --> 00:49:00,437 and Clarence Jones, publisher of the Amsterdam News. 824 00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:06,109 Have a driver was 825 00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:09,571 driving me up, the ampersand is the driver, says Boss, 826 00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:12,074 they're calling your name on the radio, so what you mean? 827 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,285 Called Rockefeller, 828 00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:18,080 and lo and behold, the governor picked up the phone. 829 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,166 He said, thank you so much. 830 00:49:21,166 --> 00:49:23,585 Mr Jones, we have a major situation. 831 00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:26,588 A number of the inmates 832 00:49:26,588 --> 00:49:28,674 have called your name. 833 00:49:30,717 --> 00:49:32,719 We'll have a car and pick you up. 834 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,097 And taking him to a private airport. 835 00:49:37,057 --> 00:49:38,183 We're a state private 836 00:49:38,183 --> 00:49:40,352 plane is waiting for you. 837 00:49:42,062 --> 00:49:44,106 And there are more. 838 00:49:44,606 --> 00:49:46,984 Atika, you be part of the. 839 00:49:48,318 --> 00:49:50,070 Observers committee. 840 00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:54,533 My wife and I were off on vacation at the time 841 00:49:54,908 --> 00:49:55,951 and we got a call 842 00:49:55,951 --> 00:49:59,871 that they had asked me to come there, and I felt that with my prior experience 843 00:49:59,871 --> 00:50:03,750 and my responsibilities as a chairman of the prison committee ought to be there. 844 00:50:06,086 --> 00:50:07,838 I was optimistic. 845 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:08,630 I thought. 846 00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:10,424 Give it a shot. 847 00:50:11,091 --> 00:50:13,844 For the rebel prisoners of Attica, the encouraging appearance, 848 00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:15,762 the people, they consider friends. 849 00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:19,307 A 30 man mediation committee, including a congressman for newsmen 850 00:50:19,766 --> 00:50:22,310 and most importantly, lawyer William Kunstler. 851 00:50:22,644 --> 00:50:24,980 Have you heard anything from Governor Rockefeller's office? 852 00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:28,191 I mean, has he put any time limit on these negotiations? 853 00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:31,486 No, but I understand that there is no present 854 00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:35,115 plan to use force in this prison, and I hope that continues. 855 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,994 I just hope that they realize that this is a unique situation 856 00:50:38,994 --> 00:50:43,081 and that it may take time and that if everyone has a good faith, 857 00:50:43,331 --> 00:50:45,167 something will work out. 858 00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:49,713 It was scary, the tension was tremendous. 859 00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:53,550 Eager to cut the air with a knife, it was terrifying. 860 00:50:53,925 --> 00:50:56,970 I remember going into the yard and saying to Mel, Where was I? 861 00:50:57,179 --> 00:50:58,138 Do you have a cigaret? 862 00:50:58,138 --> 00:50:58,555 And he said, 863 00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:01,850 You have one on you, one in your hand, one in your mouth and one in your. 864 00:51:03,185 --> 00:51:04,686 I was scared. 865 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:07,856 When you see a tower with people with rifles, 866 00:51:09,232 --> 00:51:11,109 I kept thinking 867 00:51:11,526 --> 00:51:14,071 we should stay close to Tom Wicker and Herman Badillo 868 00:51:14,071 --> 00:51:16,615 because they would be the least likely to be shot. 869 00:51:19,284 --> 00:51:20,702 Frank Big Black 870 00:51:20,702 --> 00:51:24,623 Smith was the overall security leader. 871 00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:27,751 He took that job on himself already. 872 00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,087 He was the guy. 873 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:32,255 Here's the big man. 874 00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:34,925 I mean, this is big. 875 00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:36,760 That was responsible to make sure 876 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,763 that the observers that came in. 877 00:51:41,348 --> 00:51:43,975 They the same way they can't manage the same way 878 00:51:43,975 --> 00:51:47,562 they did that, you know, no harm come to them. 879 00:51:48,021 --> 00:51:51,149 He said, Well, we've got to have a security force. 880 00:51:51,858 --> 00:51:54,694 So we were looking for volunteers. 881 00:51:54,694 --> 00:51:55,654 You, you. 882 00:51:56,613 --> 00:51:58,698 Along the way for her, 883 00:51:58,698 --> 00:52:03,411 can't be all black as we need black guys, white guys and Puerto Ricans. 884 00:52:06,706 --> 00:52:09,501 We would line up and create a corridor, 885 00:52:10,085 --> 00:52:13,922 and they would walk down the middle of the corridor with us being a barrier 886 00:52:13,922 --> 00:52:17,717 between general population and the negotiators. 887 00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:21,763 So we would just stand shoulder to shoulder and give them 888 00:52:21,763 --> 00:52:24,099 that safe space to walk through. 889 00:52:28,395 --> 00:52:29,813 We begin to talk with them 890 00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:34,776 about what they wanted, and they had their their 891 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:38,780 their list of things that they wanted already written. 892 00:52:39,447 --> 00:52:42,033 You know, everybody wanted a voice. 893 00:52:42,033 --> 00:52:42,742 Good, bad. 894 00:52:42,742 --> 00:52:47,080 And it worked out, so nothing went easy, but it went. 895 00:52:47,581 --> 00:52:53,003 We got to a point where we had what we thought might be possible. 896 00:52:53,461 --> 00:52:55,755 Their demands were, you know, 897 00:52:56,214 --> 00:52:59,342 reasonable demands about living conditions. 898 00:52:59,718 --> 00:53:02,179 They wanted medical care. 899 00:53:04,222 --> 00:53:06,516 Decent food, 900 00:53:07,642 --> 00:53:09,936 fair disciplinary hearings. 901 00:53:13,106 --> 00:53:14,524 Basically, 902 00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:18,486 they wanted to be treated like human beings, 903 00:53:19,404 --> 00:53:22,908 prisoners late last night met with a civilian committee 904 00:53:22,908 --> 00:53:26,244 in an attempt to clarify demands ranging from better prison 905 00:53:26,244 --> 00:53:28,997 life conditions to more religious and political freedom. 906 00:53:29,623 --> 00:53:32,000 I injected into the two demands 907 00:53:32,751 --> 00:53:36,254 for some people to go to non imperialistic country. 908 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,965 You have to be frightened flight out. 909 00:53:39,299 --> 00:53:41,009 We thought Cuba was going to come and get us. 910 00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:45,889 You ship troops to Vietnam to stop the men. 911 00:53:45,889 --> 00:53:48,892 Go to all these five countries to press the button. 912 00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,937 You can bet why these helicopters in air and ship 913 00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:54,314 on this country. 914 00:53:55,565 --> 00:53:57,525 We didn't seeing people snatch airplanes 915 00:53:57,525 --> 00:54:01,029 and all like dead and go to Cuba and Algiers and all other places. 916 00:54:01,321 --> 00:54:03,031 Why not get out of jail? 917 00:54:03,031 --> 00:54:06,201 An Air France jet was hijacked by Palestinian girls. 918 00:54:06,243 --> 00:54:09,913 17 year old girl hijacked a twb jetliner 919 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,666 I have for years and on a 25 to life sentence. 920 00:54:12,666 --> 00:54:15,043 Why not get out of jail? 921 00:54:15,043 --> 00:54:16,127 Why not? 922 00:54:17,379 --> 00:54:18,672 We all do that. 923 00:54:18,672 --> 00:54:20,090 I wasn't going to happen. 924 00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:22,342 We weren't going to go to 925 00:54:22,425 --> 00:54:23,927 Algeria on the plane. 926 00:54:23,927 --> 00:54:26,763 I knew that everybody in the back of their mind knew that. 927 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,099 But we need it, obviously. 928 00:54:31,601 --> 00:54:32,560 We want the federal 929 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,648 judiciary to guarantee complete amnesty to each and every one of us 930 00:54:36,856 --> 00:54:42,028 has taken part in the struggle here at Attica to ensure that this amnesty 931 00:54:42,028 --> 00:54:47,200 will not be just a groping in the win, but a reality for each and every one of us. 932 00:54:48,118 --> 00:54:51,705 They were not looking to be relieved of the prison sentences 933 00:54:51,705 --> 00:54:55,166 to which they have been sent by the courts after being convicted. 934 00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:58,586 They were looking to be freed from any 935 00:54:58,586 --> 00:55:00,964 prosecution or any penalties 936 00:55:01,381 --> 00:55:03,425 for their engaging in the riot. 937 00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:09,347 Besides the normal beatings and everything else 938 00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:13,435 they're going to do to us, which is, you know, automatic. 939 00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:18,023 We knew that they could also take us and bring us to court and, 940 00:55:18,565 --> 00:55:23,778 you know, and turn us into the monster inmates who took over the prison. 941 00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:27,198 We are not advocating violence. 942 00:55:28,241 --> 00:55:30,285 We all want to live. 943 00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,373 All right. 944 00:55:35,373 --> 00:55:37,375 If you get one on dog. 945 00:55:39,586 --> 00:55:42,505 You're treating them better than we have been treated 946 00:55:43,214 --> 00:55:43,965 the last. 947 00:55:47,761 --> 00:55:49,304 They were fiercely 948 00:55:49,304 --> 00:55:53,600 trying to convince prison authorities that they didn't cease 949 00:55:53,725 --> 00:55:57,187 being a human being merely by the fact that they were 950 00:55:58,104 --> 00:56:00,482 incarcerated because they had broken. 951 00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:04,944 A law society, and that's a profound thing. 952 00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:08,656 I am somebody. 953 00:56:08,656 --> 00:56:10,784 I'm not a thing. 954 00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:14,371 You can't treat me like a dog. 955 00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:16,664 I may be a prisoner, but I have dignity. 956 00:56:18,124 --> 00:56:20,126 And that's what they insisted. 957 00:56:21,586 --> 00:56:23,338 I'm getting the. 958 00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:27,509 Power structure of Africa to recognize. 959 00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:31,638 That they continue to be. 960 00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:33,014 Somebody. 961 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,225 All of you have seen 962 00:56:35,308 --> 00:56:38,478 the observers, they all were listening to us. 963 00:56:38,895 --> 00:56:41,689 I feel that they were supporting us. 964 00:56:43,066 --> 00:56:43,817 We see. 965 00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:45,985 And that meant a lot to us. 966 00:56:48,071 --> 00:56:49,364 This is our situation. 967 00:56:49,364 --> 00:56:51,825 Please listen to us. And that's what they were doing. 968 00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:53,118 They were listening. 969 00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:55,495 It felt like they were somebody that believed in us. 970 00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:57,247 It felt that way. 971 00:56:57,247 --> 00:57:00,166 If somebody believe that you know, you did have some rights, 972 00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:02,502 even though you were a convicted felon or whatever. 973 00:57:04,546 --> 00:57:06,005 Would we able to get 974 00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:09,426 a better mailing privileges, better medical privileges? 975 00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:15,473 We tried to nail it down to that, which was realistic and possible over 976 00:57:15,515 --> 00:57:18,184 distinguished from a plane waiting for us 977 00:57:18,768 --> 00:57:21,813 outside the cellblock, flying us to Cuba. 978 00:57:22,856 --> 00:57:25,775 That's what it was like it was it was realism 979 00:57:26,276 --> 00:57:29,654 from fantasy. 980 00:57:29,863 --> 00:57:33,450 We want to be treated as human beings, 981 00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:36,369 we will be treated as human beings. 982 00:57:36,953 --> 00:57:39,372 Yeah, we have come to the conclusion. 983 00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:43,209 That's the study. 984 00:57:44,627 --> 00:57:48,006 After much suffering. 985 00:57:48,006 --> 00:57:51,176 After much consideration. 986 00:57:51,176 --> 00:57:53,970 But if we cannot move 987 00:57:54,179 --> 00:57:55,263 people. 988 00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:58,766 We will at least try. 989 00:57:58,766 --> 00:58:01,060 Today, let me. 990 00:58:04,189 --> 00:58:06,274 That statement was sounded 991 00:58:07,734 --> 00:58:09,152 everywhere. 992 00:58:14,073 --> 00:58:14,908 In that yard, 993 00:58:14,908 --> 00:58:18,870 when he said that a roar went up like no other. 994 00:58:19,787 --> 00:58:22,665 This was this day, and I saw that 995 00:58:23,416 --> 00:58:26,628 I really none of us were going to be observers, 996 00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:31,382 we were going to be mediators , whether we wanted to be mediators or not, 997 00:58:31,382 --> 00:58:34,093 whether we were called up to be mediators. 998 00:58:35,094 --> 00:58:39,599 This prison uprising had to be mediated. 999 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,769 Otherwise it was going to end in disaster. 1000 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:47,106 If you people do not understand. 1001 00:58:48,107 --> 00:58:50,235 If you people do not pick what? 1002 00:58:51,736 --> 00:58:53,988 If you people can not make the commitment 1003 00:58:53,988 --> 00:58:56,449 that we have made here. 1004 00:58:57,992 --> 00:58:59,827 We all did. 1005 00:59:00,161 --> 00:59:01,079 All right. 1006 00:59:01,246 --> 00:59:02,956 We'll take you all 1007 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,833 to stand with us. 1008 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,255 Not necessarily. 1009 00:59:10,463 --> 00:59:13,299 I know you want to 1010 00:59:13,299 --> 00:59:16,177 hey, hey, before. 1011 00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:43,037 Things were growing on the outside, 1012 00:59:44,163 --> 00:59:45,456 don't take. 1013 00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:50,461 There were more journalists. 1014 00:59:50,461 --> 00:59:53,298 There were more police. 1015 00:59:53,298 --> 00:59:55,592 And it was just getting bigger 1016 00:59:55,883 --> 00:59:58,344 and bigger and bigger. 1017 01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:02,432 People are coming night and day 1018 01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:05,768 vans with reporters and police 1019 01:00:05,768 --> 01:00:09,397 and things are building up. 1020 01:00:10,982 --> 01:00:12,817 Among those keeping a vigil outside 1021 01:00:12,817 --> 01:00:16,613 the prison walls, the families of some of the 38 men held hostage. 1022 01:00:16,779 --> 01:00:19,782 I was just home watching the TV. 1023 01:00:20,074 --> 01:00:22,994 I just kept looking for my husband. 1024 01:00:23,411 --> 01:00:26,497 Maybe he'd be killed or brutalized in some way 1025 01:00:26,748 --> 01:00:30,251 because the inmates at that time had the power there, you know, 1026 01:00:30,877 --> 01:00:33,588 and if they didn't like somebody who who knew 1027 01:00:33,588 --> 01:00:37,008 what you were scared to death that, you know, 1028 01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:40,386 they'd just kill him or something and they didn't get their way. 1029 01:00:42,138 --> 01:00:44,891 Families of the 31 hostages wait for word 1030 01:00:44,891 --> 01:00:47,560 as part of the prison remains in control of the inmate. 1031 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:55,943 They were upset. 1032 01:00:55,943 --> 01:00:58,029 They were angry and they were scared 1033 01:00:58,655 --> 01:01:03,117 standing out there while their loved ones are being held hostage 1034 01:01:04,118 --> 01:01:07,872 and they are waiting for any scrap of information 1035 01:01:09,415 --> 01:01:12,919 to hear something. 1036 01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:15,338 And many of those families 1037 01:01:15,338 --> 01:01:19,050 stood vigil day and night out there. 1038 01:01:20,593 --> 01:01:22,428 A bunch of people crying, 1039 01:01:22,428 --> 01:01:25,306 the wives and brothers and fathers 1040 01:01:25,765 --> 01:01:28,518 freaking out to his panic. 1041 01:01:29,268 --> 01:01:32,939 People are afraid to talk in the parking lot because they thought 1042 01:01:32,939 --> 01:01:38,361 that any reporters or anybody, even they did it on the privacy 1043 01:01:38,653 --> 01:01:41,864 because they didn't want the relatives targeted, singled out 1044 01:01:41,864 --> 01:01:43,866 by the inmates. 1045 01:01:54,711 --> 01:01:56,379 I had sympathy for them. 1046 01:01:56,379 --> 01:02:00,883 They were elsewhere, you're going to get a job if you lived in that 1047 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:04,512 area and you had no 1048 01:02:05,263 --> 01:02:09,267 training and no understanding 1049 01:02:09,267 --> 01:02:12,395 of what it was like to grow up in 1050 01:02:13,479 --> 01:02:16,357 a poor black urban area. 1051 01:02:17,608 --> 01:02:20,778 You used these were aliens. 1052 01:02:20,778 --> 01:02:24,157 These were people from a different world 1053 01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:29,495 and your family members. 1054 01:02:29,662 --> 01:02:32,498 Maybe you're going to get killed 1055 01:02:32,498 --> 01:02:34,417 because of them. 1056 01:02:34,417 --> 01:02:36,753 Sure, you were. 1057 01:02:36,753 --> 01:02:38,963 Infuriated. 1058 01:02:40,131 --> 01:02:41,674 All these dogs up there with 1059 01:02:41,674 --> 01:02:43,885 all those rifles are trying to kill us. 1060 01:02:44,844 --> 01:02:48,598 Well, we ain't gonna quit the inmates that we're giving microphones. 1061 01:02:48,598 --> 01:02:49,640 I'm on TV. 1062 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,893 I mean, the very upsetting. 1063 01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:54,812 They should have resolved it right away. 1064 01:02:54,812 --> 01:02:56,814 It just went on too far. 1065 01:02:56,814 --> 01:02:59,525 We all just wanted it to end. 1066 01:03:00,401 --> 01:03:04,405 What I what you hear over the radio 1067 01:03:05,072 --> 01:03:08,409 and the TV was and it's inspiring to me 1068 01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:11,954 because it seemed to me that what I was hearing. 1069 01:03:12,997 --> 01:03:15,625 I didn't think 1070 01:03:16,459 --> 01:03:18,753 they were doing the right thing. 1071 01:03:18,753 --> 01:03:20,922 It just seemed sort of limp to me 1072 01:03:21,756 --> 01:03:24,592 and it was frustrating. 1073 01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:27,261 You'd hear stuff from people. 1074 01:03:27,261 --> 01:03:31,224 That's where it got a little scary too, because you could see how the inmates 1075 01:03:31,224 --> 01:03:35,394 were considered like less than human kind of like animals. 1076 01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:38,981 There was people saying, You know, don't worry about your dad, 1077 01:03:39,232 --> 01:03:42,109 you know, they'll get theirs type thing. 1078 01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:45,071 And so that kind of made it even more scary. 1079 01:03:45,112 --> 01:03:48,783 You realize how emotionally charged the community is getting. 1080 01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:51,744 The tensions got worse and worse. Worse. 1081 01:03:51,744 --> 01:03:53,830 Emotions got worse and worse and worse. 1082 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:04,799 Sadly, 1083 01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:10,263 I think that the hope was stronger than any doubt because after three days 1084 01:04:10,513 --> 01:04:13,474 Thursday, Friday and Saturday. 1085 01:04:14,058 --> 01:04:15,601 They had came in 1086 01:04:15,601 --> 01:04:19,063 we had like 30 demands and most of them what 1087 01:04:20,648 --> 01:04:22,024 possible, 1088 01:04:22,024 --> 01:04:24,610 and we will still be doing about it. 1089 01:04:25,236 --> 01:04:27,947 I've never seen anything like this. 1090 01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:30,241 The people in here are treated like dogs. 1091 01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:32,326 Not only the Black Lives Matter, white. 1092 01:04:33,035 --> 01:04:34,829 And we're going to get what we planned. 1093 01:04:34,829 --> 01:04:36,873 Are we going to die? Try. 1094 01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:40,459 But we thought that whatever happened, 1095 01:04:40,459 --> 01:04:43,796 we may maybe really walk away with some improvement 1096 01:04:43,796 --> 01:04:45,256 in our lives. 1097 01:04:47,216 --> 01:04:49,844 Point was, is that whatever happened, 1098 01:04:50,386 --> 01:04:52,972 it just had to make a difference. 1099 01:04:53,264 --> 01:04:55,057 Change had to happen. 1100 01:04:55,057 --> 01:04:57,101 You had to embrace who. 1101 01:05:02,106 --> 01:05:02,773 There's a report 1102 01:05:02,773 --> 01:05:05,818 that prison officials have yielded to most of the demands 1103 01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:08,946 by the rebelling inmates of the Attica state prison in New York, 1104 01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:12,575 where more than 30 persons have been held hostage for three days. 1105 01:05:13,826 --> 01:05:16,579 As you know, during this ordeal. 1106 01:05:16,579 --> 01:05:19,081 I have personally met with inmates 1107 01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:22,919 on several occasions in areas under their control, 1108 01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:26,422 and they have demonstrated my commitment 1109 01:05:26,422 --> 01:05:28,841 to deal with the issues they have raised 1110 01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:32,136 by accepting 28 1111 01:05:32,136 --> 01:05:35,014 of the three major inmate proposals. 1112 01:05:35,765 --> 01:05:37,934 The second is like any time of what's going to happen now. 1113 01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:40,895 Well, we hope negotiations will 1114 01:05:41,437 --> 01:05:44,398 start this afternoon and continue until they reach a solution. 1115 01:05:44,732 --> 01:05:47,735 Huey Newton or Bobby Seale, are they coming? 1116 01:05:47,735 --> 01:05:48,277 They were asked. 1117 01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:51,238 Or we hope we understood that they were en route. 1118 01:05:51,447 --> 01:05:51,948 We had. 1119 01:05:53,115 --> 01:05:55,618 Kind of settled in on the demands 1120 01:05:56,285 --> 01:05:59,038 we had negotiated with Oswald 1121 01:05:59,038 --> 01:06:02,041 for his commitment to 28 of them. 1122 01:06:03,459 --> 01:06:07,964 The commissioner and the whole point of Bobby SEALs coming there would be for him 1123 01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:11,509 to bless and support and urge the inmates 1124 01:06:11,509 --> 01:06:13,219 to accept them. 1125 01:06:18,391 --> 01:06:18,683 Bobby 1126 01:06:18,683 --> 01:06:21,686 Seale was our hero because he was speaking out 1127 01:06:21,686 --> 01:06:23,896 about the brutality that was happening in the prison system. 1128 01:06:25,022 --> 01:06:27,817 He was doing what we were trying to leave. 1129 01:06:27,817 --> 01:06:29,068 He was a panther. 1130 01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:30,903 The second in command. 1131 01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:33,864 I really thought it would help us out of everything 1132 01:06:33,906 --> 01:06:36,325 we ever demand. 1133 01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:40,830 Bobby didn't stay long. 1134 01:06:40,830 --> 01:06:45,626 Bobby to stay long, came up to it and go shake table was made a little speech. 1135 01:06:45,793 --> 01:06:47,837 You walk around your. 1136 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:51,716 Well, we won't read about the jail. 1137 01:06:51,716 --> 01:06:54,135 A lot of times we're going back in time. 1138 01:06:54,176 --> 01:06:56,429 It was quite a letdown. 1139 01:06:56,429 --> 01:07:00,474 There is no remember me at all, about three minutes. 1140 01:07:03,436 --> 01:07:05,187 At that point, 1141 01:07:05,187 --> 01:07:08,524 everybody's just sitting around waiting for something to happen. 1142 01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:15,865 But then Billy Quinn died. 1143 01:07:17,283 --> 01:07:19,785 And that transformed everything 1144 01:07:19,785 --> 01:07:22,747 the state prison in Attica, New York, is at the crisis point. 1145 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,792 The death of one of the guards as harden the position of prison officials 1146 01:07:27,126 --> 01:07:29,795 and there are you don't get amnesty for a murder. 1147 01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,548 I immediately knew. 1148 01:07:35,551 --> 01:07:36,927 That the 1149 01:07:38,095 --> 01:07:39,597 process of negotiations 1150 01:07:39,597 --> 01:07:42,058 just became far more difficult. 1151 01:07:43,142 --> 01:07:44,769 I knew that was. 1152 01:07:45,603 --> 01:07:48,814 I was the worst possible thing that could happen. 1153 01:07:48,814 --> 01:07:51,525 How could they peacefully negotiate? 1154 01:07:53,527 --> 01:07:56,781 With inmates who they held responsible for the death 1155 01:07:56,781 --> 01:07:57,740 of a guard. 1156 01:08:01,368 --> 01:08:04,914 Prior to his passing on. 1157 01:08:05,206 --> 01:08:08,292 There was a hope and even an expectation 1158 01:08:09,251 --> 01:08:11,796 because people were listening. 1159 01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,507 People were coming to understand what we had been living through 1160 01:08:16,175 --> 01:08:18,427 and suffering as prisoners there. 1161 01:08:20,387 --> 01:08:22,431 We know that it was a new ball 1162 01:08:22,431 --> 01:08:25,518 game was depression. 1163 01:08:25,518 --> 01:08:26,894 And fear. 1164 01:08:27,895 --> 01:08:30,856 And, you know, anxiety and yeah, 1165 01:08:32,316 --> 01:08:34,026 everything you can imagine. 1166 01:08:34,026 --> 01:08:37,071 We had to drop a lot of issues 1167 01:08:37,071 --> 01:08:39,115 and focus on amnesty 1168 01:08:39,115 --> 01:08:41,826 as one as the main issue 1169 01:08:42,326 --> 01:08:44,995 because we want to be charged 1170 01:08:46,205 --> 01:08:47,331 with murder. 1171 01:08:47,331 --> 01:08:48,749 We said. 1172 01:08:49,125 --> 01:08:50,626 As a group. 1173 01:08:52,711 --> 01:08:54,088 That we was going 1174 01:08:54,088 --> 01:08:56,257 to stay in solidarity with anyone. 1175 01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:00,719 They could not give amnesty to everybody. 1176 01:09:01,053 --> 01:09:04,223 Then was not going to leave anyone in the clutch in 1177 01:09:04,765 --> 01:09:08,060 to take a towing back on the bus or speak to take this. 1178 01:09:08,227 --> 01:09:13,274 We acted together that we understood that this was us, 1179 01:09:14,108 --> 01:09:16,861 that if we didn't stand together now, we never would. 1180 01:09:16,861 --> 01:09:17,903 And it would. 1181 01:09:17,903 --> 01:09:20,990 We would live like dogs for the rest of our lives. 1182 01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:25,661 We understood that. 1183 01:09:25,661 --> 01:09:30,541 Did I wish that we could somehow back away, but not without amnesty? 1184 01:09:30,583 --> 01:09:32,585 How do the inmates feel about the current situation? 1185 01:09:33,043 --> 01:09:34,295 I will. 1186 01:09:34,295 --> 01:09:36,964 A group of us were in with the inmates. 1187 01:09:36,964 --> 01:09:38,757 We met with them. 1188 01:09:38,757 --> 01:09:41,302 We had two and a half hours. 1189 01:09:41,302 --> 01:09:42,678 Some of the people are here, 1190 01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:46,182 but we really have nothing to say about it, except they are firm in their demands. 1191 01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:47,766 And that's it. 1192 01:09:47,766 --> 01:09:48,350 In other words, 1193 01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:51,478 they're not going to let the hostages go until they're granted total amnesty. 1194 01:09:51,645 --> 01:09:54,732 That was their last position. 1195 01:09:59,195 --> 01:10:01,906 The flag at half staff for the injured guard who had died 1196 01:10:01,906 --> 01:10:03,991 the night before set the mood this morning, 1197 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,994 it was clear that the troubles of this troubled prison had grown worse. 1198 01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:10,206 That Sunday, you had that fall that came over 1199 01:10:10,789 --> 01:10:12,833 and it was a certain chill in the air. 1200 01:10:14,335 --> 01:10:15,836 Something didn't feel right. 1201 01:10:15,836 --> 01:10:17,796 It didn't feel right. 1202 01:10:17,796 --> 01:10:20,633 There are strong indications tonight that police will be sent 1203 01:10:20,633 --> 01:10:24,220 into the cellblock in an attempt to rescue the rest of the hostages 1204 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:25,346 by force. 1205 01:10:29,767 --> 01:10:31,560 Water was cut off. 1206 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,896 Food was getting scarce. 1207 01:10:33,896 --> 01:10:37,149 Patients were getting shot and people were totally 1208 01:10:38,275 --> 01:10:40,361 wondering what is going to be the outcome 1209 01:10:41,195 --> 01:10:43,113 of the situation. 1210 01:10:50,454 --> 01:10:53,040 There was enormous pressure, and I witnessed 1211 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,795 that as I took a breather and went out to the public space 1212 01:10:58,963 --> 01:11:02,383 just outside the prison, where a lot of correction 1213 01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:05,803 officers, their families, troopers and other officials 1214 01:11:05,803 --> 01:11:07,721 were gathered together. 1215 01:11:09,014 --> 01:11:11,558 I mean, the news was completely about that. 1216 01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:14,728 You know that the state troopers and everybody were poised 1217 01:11:14,728 --> 01:11:17,648 on the top looking and 1218 01:11:17,648 --> 01:11:20,567 it was all about these rumors 1219 01:11:20,734 --> 01:11:25,030 that the prisoners were castrating 1220 01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:29,535 the hostages, that they were torturing them. 1221 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,621 And it's going to end in bloodshed. 1222 01:11:32,621 --> 01:11:37,042 And that was the storyline that was terrifying, people. 1223 01:11:37,751 --> 01:11:39,253 Could you turn around this way to the camera? 1224 01:11:39,253 --> 01:11:41,797 I think I did a few interviews 1225 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,258 and the people were 1226 01:11:44,258 --> 01:11:48,846 made it very clear that these are bad people in there and 1227 01:11:49,930 --> 01:11:51,515 they shouldn't be doing this. 1228 01:11:51,515 --> 01:11:53,684 You know, they should be taken care of. 1229 01:11:53,767 --> 01:11:54,935 You know what I mean? 1230 01:11:54,935 --> 01:11:56,854 And hang them and 1231 01:11:56,895 --> 01:11:58,022 crazy stuff. 1232 01:11:58,022 --> 01:12:00,399 I mean, they're just really crazy. 1233 01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:03,277 It was a very hostile environment. 1234 01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:04,486 And I just 1235 01:12:04,903 --> 01:12:07,197 don't I 1236 01:12:08,615 --> 01:12:11,076 don't think that Jaime, I'll stick up your hand. 1237 01:12:11,952 --> 01:12:15,164 I'm a father of eight children and my boy is the oldest, 1238 01:12:15,539 --> 01:12:18,667 and I wouldn't want to see any one of them die. 1239 01:12:18,667 --> 01:12:20,669 Whatever he is going to die, 1240 01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:23,922 I want that whole damn thing bound right to hell. OK. 1241 01:12:25,090 --> 01:12:28,594 And while we're talking went on, the state police 1242 01:12:28,594 --> 01:12:32,139 kept reinforcing at least 500 men in and out of the wall. 1243 01:12:32,556 --> 01:12:36,185 No indication that any of this force will be used at the police already. 1244 01:12:37,478 --> 01:12:38,020 Well, any 1245 01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:43,317 time you went in and out of the prison, there was an army 1246 01:12:43,776 --> 01:12:49,865 and they were armed with every conceivable type of weapon . 1247 01:12:49,865 --> 01:12:53,202 And it really looked like 1248 01:12:54,036 --> 01:12:56,455 they wanted to use those weapons. 1249 01:12:56,497 --> 01:12:59,625 You had the sense of their anger 1250 01:12:59,625 --> 01:13:01,668 and they've been held back and 1251 01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:07,174 they wanted to move. 1252 01:13:07,174 --> 01:13:10,844 They wanted to to to attack. 1253 01:13:15,307 --> 01:13:17,976 Yeah, they were very impatient, 1254 01:13:17,976 --> 01:13:19,520 very unhappy. 1255 01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:25,025 They were all thrown into a situation in which they are not prepared for 1256 01:13:25,526 --> 01:13:29,530 and about which they had basically an animosity. 1257 01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:34,243 And I wish to 1258 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:37,121 would any of the men that a lot us off the roof? 1259 01:13:37,496 --> 01:13:42,292 Adobe that group is out of here because if you get these shaky guy shooting off 1260 01:13:42,292 --> 01:13:46,422 or getting up, and all of a sudden somebody is going to get excited 1261 01:13:46,839 --> 01:13:49,800 and then we're all going to say now, this is not a joke. 1262 01:13:50,509 --> 01:13:51,218 This is not 1263 01:13:52,553 --> 01:13:54,847 some kind of a little tea party we've got here. 1264 01:13:54,847 --> 01:13:57,433 And I just hope that the commissioner 1265 01:13:57,891 --> 01:14:00,561 and the other people in the committee that they've gathered together 1266 01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:05,065 can come up with a solution 1267 01:14:05,065 --> 01:14:07,943 to solve these people's problems 1268 01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:08,902 and ours. 1269 01:14:09,153 --> 01:14:10,779 Thank you very much. 1270 01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:17,786 Late Sunday afternoon, 1271 01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:21,373 Commissioner Oswald and the officials were prepared 1272 01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:25,127 and intended to retaking. 1273 01:14:25,752 --> 01:14:28,422 But I pressed Israel to agree 1274 01:14:29,214 --> 01:14:31,675 to give them until 7:00 on Monday 1275 01:14:31,675 --> 01:14:34,052 morning, by Sunday morning, everything else had failed. 1276 01:14:35,471 --> 01:14:40,726 And so the the the final shot 1277 01:14:41,143 --> 01:14:43,937 was going to be to try to get the Roc-A-Fella. 1278 01:14:45,147 --> 01:14:49,318 And there was there was a committee of people put together to do that. 1279 01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:50,694 Good morning. 1280 01:14:52,237 --> 01:14:54,865 We wanted four friends of the governor 1281 01:14:55,115 --> 01:14:57,534 to call him and please as your friend. 1282 01:14:58,035 --> 01:15:02,039 Let me ask you to come to Attica, not to meet with the prisoners, 1283 01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:06,043 but to come and lay your hand on approving these measures, 1284 01:15:07,002 --> 01:15:08,545 Sergeant Cunningham. 1285 01:15:08,545 --> 01:15:10,631 Now, would you give us a message 1286 01:15:10,881 --> 01:15:13,217 for Governor Nelson Rockefeller? 1287 01:15:14,426 --> 01:15:15,677 I certainly would. 1288 01:15:15,677 --> 01:15:19,181 one of the recommendations is and he said, No, I'm dead. 1289 01:15:19,765 --> 01:15:23,393 I and some of my fellow members of the Service Committee felt 1290 01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:28,524 very strongly that if Governor Rockefeller were to come to and identify 1291 01:15:28,732 --> 01:15:32,486 with finding a solution, it might have broken the logjam. 1292 01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:37,282 So I placed the call, the governor Rockefeller, somewhere around 3:00. 1293 01:15:37,616 --> 01:15:41,119 Governor, what about your personal feelings right now? 1294 01:15:41,411 --> 01:15:43,872 On one level, it was a Hail Mary. 1295 01:15:43,872 --> 01:15:46,875 On the other level it was more than a Hail Mary. 1296 01:15:46,875 --> 01:15:49,211 These were prominent people. 1297 01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:56,051 People that you would think Rockefeller respected 1298 01:15:56,510 --> 01:16:01,139 making a sincere pitch come up here, you don't have to go in. 1299 01:16:01,598 --> 01:16:05,352 You don't have to agree to anything your presence will have mean. 1300 01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:09,398 Maybe if he came, that would be an opening 1301 01:16:09,398 --> 01:16:13,110 that would have allowed us to negotiate. 1302 01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:13,777 Maybe. 1303 01:16:15,112 --> 01:16:15,988 Some other 1304 01:16:15,988 --> 01:16:20,492 negotiators could be brought in who would help the negotiation, 1305 01:16:20,492 --> 01:16:23,161 maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. 1306 01:16:23,829 --> 01:16:27,040 But no known donor or man. 1307 01:16:27,082 --> 01:16:29,126 Death, death, death, death. 1308 01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:33,213 Prisoners had been demanding from the very beginning that I come into the yard, 1309 01:16:33,797 --> 01:16:37,175 and I frankly felt that the idea of governors 1310 01:16:38,176 --> 01:16:42,097 any time there was an uprising or any time there was a prisoner 1311 01:16:42,097 --> 01:16:46,727 taken on a prisoner, but a hostage taking being involved in the negotiation, 1312 01:16:46,727 --> 01:16:49,229 the next thing would be, we don't want the governor, we want the president, 1313 01:16:49,938 --> 01:16:52,983 and we get to a situation with an impossible one for this country. 1314 01:16:53,066 --> 01:16:56,278 By the time they spoke to him, he had made up his mind. 1315 01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,073 He listened carefully, he listened politely. 1316 01:17:01,033 --> 01:17:03,201 But by then, he had made up his mind. 1317 01:17:05,245 --> 01:17:07,831 We didn't understand the background of us 1318 01:17:07,831 --> 01:17:13,045 having consulted on an ongoing basis during those days with the White House, 1319 01:17:13,712 --> 01:17:17,257 the administration in Washington encouraged Rockey 1320 01:17:17,257 --> 01:17:19,676 to take a strong hard line position, 1321 01:17:20,427 --> 01:17:22,638 which was unfortunate. 1322 01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:26,308 It was all a part of President Nixon's law and order agenda. 1323 01:17:26,892 --> 01:17:29,561 They were putting the pressure yesterday on me all day 1324 01:17:29,561 --> 01:17:33,357 to go up there and it up because everything else had failed. 1325 01:17:33,357 --> 01:17:34,566 And did you go? 1326 01:17:34,566 --> 01:17:36,610 Of course not. Of course not. 1327 01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:37,569 But I had the time. 1328 01:17:37,569 --> 01:17:39,946 Rockefeller wasn't calling the shots. 1329 01:17:40,989 --> 01:17:43,033 Because he was on the phone. 1330 01:17:44,493 --> 01:17:47,371 With Richard Nixon. 1331 01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:52,376 Rockefeller wanted to be president. 1332 01:17:52,376 --> 01:17:54,211 But the word on him was that 1333 01:17:54,211 --> 01:17:56,380 he was too soft on crime. 1334 01:17:57,673 --> 01:17:59,508 Where was he recommending amnesty? 1335 01:17:59,508 --> 01:18:00,175 Oh, yes. 1336 01:18:00,217 --> 01:18:03,845 Oh God, I tell you, is 1337 01:18:03,845 --> 01:18:07,057 this was the great this is separated the sheep from the goats. 1338 01:18:07,516 --> 01:18:14,398 And if he wanted the support of Nixon and the Republican Party, then 1339 01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:17,901 he needs to go along. 1340 01:18:17,984 --> 01:18:20,529 And so he wouldn't come. 1341 01:18:25,867 --> 01:18:27,202 You know, not that Rockefeller 1342 01:18:27,202 --> 01:18:29,413 wasn't coming in. 1343 01:18:31,373 --> 01:18:33,166 It's like slamming the door on you. 1344 01:18:33,166 --> 01:18:36,878 You know, I slammed the door and we were locked in this room 1345 01:18:36,878 --> 01:18:38,880 and we didn't know what to do. 1346 01:18:40,048 --> 01:18:41,800 You were to a great degree, 1347 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,637 despondent that we had no solution to this. 1348 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,390 We didn't know what to do. 1349 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,727 Made one last chance to convince the inmates 1350 01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:53,437 to surrender. 1351 01:18:58,692 --> 01:19:01,153 That last night, Cell Block D. 1352 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,282 As we were trying to negotiate. 1353 01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:09,578 Demands that we thought. 1354 01:19:10,495 --> 01:19:12,289 But realistic. 1355 01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:19,045 Was. A come to Jesus moment. 1356 01:19:21,089 --> 01:19:23,383 This is what you wanted the demands. 1357 01:19:24,217 --> 01:19:26,636 This is what we were able to achieve. 1358 01:19:26,636 --> 01:19:29,389 This is where we stand now. 1359 01:19:31,975 --> 01:19:34,478 I'm not going to mislead you. 1360 01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:36,688 And believe that you can get anything better. 1361 01:19:37,731 --> 01:19:39,649 I do not believe you can get 1362 01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:41,234 anything better. 1363 01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:44,362 I think we have to make 1364 01:19:44,362 --> 01:19:46,907 a peaceful accommodation. 1365 01:19:48,825 --> 01:19:52,579 Ready to be shot down like dogs. 1366 01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:56,625 I said this is what we achieved. OK. 1367 01:19:58,335 --> 01:20:00,504 And turn around, look, 1368 01:20:00,504 --> 01:20:04,633 cellblock, then you see all those guns there, just waiting to kill us. 1369 01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:06,134 They want to kill us. 1370 01:20:06,134 --> 01:20:09,137 Do you understand that they want to show 1371 01:20:09,304 --> 01:20:12,098 that they have the power from the barrel of a gun? 1372 01:20:12,140 --> 01:20:13,600 That's what they want to do. 1373 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,353 Oh God, I don't know what's happening to me. 1374 01:20:16,603 --> 01:20:19,397 We were warned by the observers 1375 01:20:19,397 --> 01:20:23,318 that if we didn't settle, even without the amnesty, 1376 01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:27,280 they were going to come in and it could get very bad. 1377 01:20:29,074 --> 01:20:33,745 And of course, we talked among ourselves, and we just couldn't 1378 01:20:34,496 --> 01:20:37,541 go without the amnesty because it would have been literally 1379 01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:39,751 sending all our leaders. 1380 01:20:41,628 --> 01:20:44,047 To the dogs to be 1381 01:20:44,047 --> 01:20:46,800 tortured, murdered. 1382 01:20:47,634 --> 01:20:50,011 Convicted of crimes and 1383 01:20:50,011 --> 01:20:52,055 who knows what else, we had observed 1384 01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:56,935 the organization and preparation of the troopers to enter. 1385 01:20:57,102 --> 01:20:59,938 Hundreds of them with their shotguns 1386 01:20:59,938 --> 01:21:03,692 just outside the immediate area of the yard. 1387 01:21:04,276 --> 01:21:08,905 We witness the stationing of sharpshooters on one of the ledges 1388 01:21:09,406 --> 01:21:12,409 looking down into DAAD. 1389 01:21:12,409 --> 01:21:15,829 Fear overtook the observers committee. 1390 01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:22,252 It seemed like they felt something was going to happen. 1391 01:21:22,919 --> 01:21:24,421 They were more. 1392 01:21:25,589 --> 01:21:28,383 Hesitant to leave, they left with a solemn mood. 1393 01:21:28,425 --> 01:21:30,594 He left us with a solemn like. 1394 01:21:32,262 --> 01:21:35,682 But is this better, just take care. 1395 01:21:38,226 --> 01:21:40,562 I remember seeing them leave, and, 1396 01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:44,482 you know, it was a scary moment to see them leaving, 1397 01:21:44,858 --> 01:21:47,068 you know, knowing that there wasn't coming back. 1398 01:21:50,655 --> 01:21:51,489 I remember 1399 01:21:51,489 --> 01:21:55,994 Big Black saying, I want to thank you for what you guys tried to do. 1400 01:21:56,036 --> 01:21:58,872 We really appreciate it. So there was a lot of that. 1401 01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:01,374 When we went out of 1402 01:22:01,374 --> 01:22:04,753 that yard that night. 1403 01:22:05,170 --> 01:22:06,588 There were tears. 1404 01:22:07,380 --> 01:22:08,506 Tears. 1405 01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:13,094 And I think all of us were hoping 1406 01:22:13,094 --> 01:22:15,221 that something happened at the last minute. 1407 01:22:16,514 --> 01:22:17,515 Stop it. 1408 01:22:19,809 --> 01:22:23,355 I felt complete failure, 1409 01:22:23,355 --> 01:22:25,732 a failure that I had let them down. 1410 01:22:27,817 --> 01:22:31,196 one of the most painful things. 1411 01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,240 As inmates begin to. 1412 01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:37,535 Hand me written notes, the telephone number. 1413 01:22:38,995 --> 01:22:42,165 Of their of their 1414 01:22:42,165 --> 01:22:43,625 next of kin. 1415 01:22:44,542 --> 01:22:46,878 In case they didn't make it OK. 1416 01:22:47,462 --> 01:22:49,172 They wanted me. 1417 01:22:49,172 --> 01:22:52,133 They they I mean, a couple of them looked me in the eye with tears 1418 01:22:53,385 --> 01:22:55,387 for the Jones, but I don't make it. 1419 01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:57,013 You're going to call right. 1420 01:22:57,013 --> 01:22:59,349 I said, You have my word. 1421 01:23:00,058 --> 01:23:02,435 I will call you 1422 01:23:03,478 --> 01:23:06,773 any way optimistic that this thing could be settled by tomorrow. 1423 01:23:07,065 --> 01:23:10,610 I think I'm much too tired to be either optimistic or pessimistic at this moment. 1424 01:23:10,610 --> 01:23:12,946 I'm kind of just freaked out. 1425 01:23:24,624 --> 01:23:26,376 Randall, I know 1426 01:23:26,459 --> 01:23:29,004 it didn't stop ran until about 1427 01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:31,047 six in the morning. 1428 01:23:31,589 --> 01:23:34,843 Cold Mountain, right? 1429 01:23:34,884 --> 01:23:40,473 And we were not prepared for those little hunches that we had the 1430 01:23:41,141 --> 01:23:43,685 that people had built a yard up 1431 01:23:43,685 --> 01:23:46,104 in every day, all alone started collapsing. 1432 01:23:46,980 --> 01:23:49,149 And you had to get on 1433 01:23:49,816 --> 01:23:53,903 solid ground concrete and huddled together 1434 01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:57,282 because everybody was shivering and everything else. 1435 01:23:57,782 --> 01:24:00,910 It was a miserable night, one of the miserable nights 1436 01:24:00,910 --> 01:24:03,121 I ever spent in my life. 1437 01:24:05,707 --> 01:24:09,002 I could feel the tension in the air, the tension was so strong 1438 01:24:09,252 --> 01:24:11,963 that I could just basically grab it and hold on to it 1439 01:24:13,131 --> 01:24:14,257 . Am I going to make it? 1440 01:24:14,257 --> 01:24:16,718 Am I going to to this? 1441 01:24:16,718 --> 01:24:21,848 And that tension was so strong I could touch it, I could cut improperly in my hand. 1442 01:24:24,934 --> 01:24:27,395 There was an air. 1443 01:24:31,858 --> 01:24:34,194 We've been out there for about four days. 1444 01:24:34,194 --> 01:24:36,696 Wake up that morning and it's 1445 01:24:36,696 --> 01:24:39,157 wet and dreary out there, 1446 01:24:39,157 --> 01:24:42,535 and you could always smell the fumes 1447 01:24:43,286 --> 01:24:46,289 of Guy's body in that trench that we dug in the yard. 1448 01:24:46,498 --> 01:24:48,333 You use the bathroom. 1449 01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:51,044 Right there in front of You Breathe initiative nowadays, 1450 01:24:51,044 --> 01:24:54,047 so you want out. 1451 01:24:56,466 --> 01:24:58,343 What was really bad? 1452 01:24:58,343 --> 01:25:01,346 People's moods was that way, and 1453 01:25:01,805 --> 01:25:02,597 it was crowded. 1454 01:25:02,597 --> 01:25:05,100 It started to rain a little bit. 1455 01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,226 You know, it was dog. 1456 01:25:06,226 --> 01:25:08,937 The sky was dark gray. 1457 01:25:12,107 --> 01:25:12,732 We heard that 1458 01:25:12,732 --> 01:25:14,859 we would be part of a medical evacuation. 1459 01:25:16,528 --> 01:25:18,613 And early on Monday morning, 1460 01:25:18,613 --> 01:25:21,032 we loaded into trucks and headed for Attica prison. 1461 01:25:24,452 --> 01:25:26,538 In the three years that I was in the National Guard, 1462 01:25:26,538 --> 01:25:30,667 I had not seen any kind of action in which violence was involved. 1463 01:25:31,626 --> 01:25:33,586 But we had a sense of dread, 1464 01:25:33,586 --> 01:25:36,297 and we had a wish that we could kind of not go. 1465 01:25:37,549 --> 01:25:40,844 And there was the hope, even at the last minute, that 1466 01:25:41,553 --> 01:25:44,055 by some miracle, maybe 1467 01:25:44,389 --> 01:25:47,475 Rockefeller would intervene. 1468 01:25:48,643 --> 01:25:49,811 His refusal to come 1469 01:25:49,811 --> 01:25:53,940 here is a monstrosity, because what he is saying is kill these men. 1470 01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:56,025 I have no concern. 1471 01:25:56,025 --> 01:25:59,320 All I want to do is assault, law and order, 1472 01:25:59,362 --> 01:26:02,073 and I think that's a rotten in exchange for life. 1473 01:26:03,658 --> 01:26:05,660 And we got to the prison 1474 01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:09,914 and saw the lines of state troopers and deputies 1475 01:26:09,914 --> 01:26:13,626 with their raincoats on and their weapons in hand. 1476 01:26:14,961 --> 01:26:16,004 They looked exhausted. 1477 01:26:16,004 --> 01:26:19,382 They had been there, many of them for a couple of days at least, 1478 01:26:20,049 --> 01:26:23,344 and they really didn't look up to the task that was given to them. 1479 01:26:31,394 --> 01:26:33,438 He was coming in, you could tell. 1480 01:26:33,438 --> 01:26:36,357 You can see them starting to get more people I wasn't able to count on. 1481 01:26:38,568 --> 01:26:39,819 What I saw was. 1482 01:26:43,907 --> 01:26:46,951 We got another matches to put up on that table committee, there's 1483 01:26:46,951 --> 01:26:50,830 going to be rubber bullets and I say that's what that's 1484 01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:53,041 what the word was. 1485 01:26:55,543 --> 01:26:58,046 I thought they were going to be a real old fashioned game for you. 1486 01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:00,465 David, you want to call it, you know them versus us. 1487 01:27:00,715 --> 01:27:01,883 They've got the crowd. 1488 01:27:01,883 --> 01:27:04,761 We've got a few bats and stuff in here, so we're going to 1489 01:27:05,845 --> 01:27:07,722 best guy win. 1490 01:27:09,849 --> 01:27:12,435 We started making preparations 1491 01:27:12,435 --> 01:27:15,438 and putting Vaseline on every part of our body 1492 01:27:15,438 --> 01:27:18,650 that could be exposed to gas and get burnt and stuff like that 1493 01:27:19,817 --> 01:27:21,986 padding ourselves with clothes. 1494 01:27:25,907 --> 01:27:26,866 Somebody saying 1495 01:27:26,866 --> 01:27:29,494 if they come in here, then that's good because I know my sheik. 1496 01:27:32,121 --> 01:27:34,207 It became apparent to me 1497 01:27:34,207 --> 01:27:36,626 that the situation was seriously deteriorating 1498 01:27:37,460 --> 01:27:41,339 and that the inmates, many of whom are confined to this maximum 1499 01:27:41,339 --> 01:27:45,301 security facility under light and long sentences. 1500 01:27:46,135 --> 01:27:49,722 We're not going to participate in a reasonable negotiation. 1501 01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:52,850 Tensions within the walls 1502 01:27:52,850 --> 01:27:55,311 have steadily increased. 1503 01:27:55,311 --> 01:27:57,563 The action now underway 1504 01:27:57,563 --> 01:27:59,857 was initiated with extreme reluctance 1505 01:28:00,984 --> 01:28:04,320 only after all, attempts to achieve 1506 01:28:05,029 --> 01:28:08,908 a peaceful solution failed. 1507 01:28:09,075 --> 01:28:11,327 We were told that our mission was protection 1508 01:28:11,327 --> 01:28:15,206 for the medical battalion during the commander's briefing. 1509 01:28:15,415 --> 01:28:17,542 We were told that to our knowledge, 1510 01:28:18,251 --> 01:28:20,920 the inmates had no guns. 1511 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,171 They had Spears. 1512 01:28:22,171 --> 01:28:24,424 They had some knives. 1513 01:28:24,424 --> 01:28:27,468 They had pipes that they were using as clubs. 1514 01:28:28,094 --> 01:28:30,471 But that was the extent of the threat. 1515 01:28:30,930 --> 01:28:33,474 So we knew that going in for, 1516 01:28:34,809 --> 01:28:36,019 you know, 5:00 a.m. 1517 01:28:36,019 --> 01:28:39,522 September 13, we're on the roof of a block 1518 01:28:40,189 --> 01:28:43,067 waiting for the assault to begin. 1519 01:28:43,067 --> 01:28:45,445 This is a team of 270 rifle shooters. 1520 01:28:46,988 --> 01:28:50,616 The center of our pictures, men distributing 1521 01:28:50,616 --> 01:28:52,910 baseball bats to the other prisoners. 1522 01:28:53,578 --> 01:28:56,331 We had no guns. We had no real weapons. 1523 01:28:56,331 --> 01:29:00,710 We had bullshit pieces of stick or a piece of iron 1524 01:29:01,127 --> 01:29:05,298 or shank that somebody made up on the sidewalk. 1525 01:29:05,715 --> 01:29:08,468 It was. It was pathetic. 1526 01:29:08,468 --> 01:29:13,181 Just four days, almost to the minute after the convict insurrection started, 1527 01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:17,143 state police reinforced by sheriff's deputies, National Guardsmen 1528 01:29:17,393 --> 01:29:22,690 and correctional officers moving in on the prison time is 150 5:00 p.m. 1529 01:29:22,690 --> 01:29:28,154 We're on the roof of C Block looking at a detail of 270 marksmen 1530 01:29:28,696 --> 01:29:31,949 with instructions to clear the catwalks upon command. 1531 01:29:33,785 --> 01:29:34,744 They took some of the 1532 01:29:34,744 --> 01:29:40,208 hostages on top of the catwalks, which is on top of the hallways, 1533 01:29:40,708 --> 01:29:45,755 and some of the inmates held knives to the to their neck as a result. 1534 01:29:46,089 --> 01:29:48,883 In an effort to try to stop the assault, 1535 01:29:49,509 --> 01:29:53,304 the hostages are armed with knives with their throats. 1536 01:29:53,888 --> 01:29:56,766 It was all just to show. 1537 01:29:56,808 --> 01:30:00,436 The try to get them to say, Oh, wait a minute, it's my cousin, my brother. 1538 01:30:00,770 --> 01:30:02,188 All he's got. 1539 01:30:03,147 --> 01:30:06,234 We were hopeful that if they saw this, they would back off 1540 01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,696 and try to renegotiate so they could protect their own people. 1541 01:30:13,491 --> 01:30:15,743 The notion of sending 1542 01:30:15,743 --> 01:30:18,079 in correctional officers 1543 01:30:18,996 --> 01:30:21,082 who didn't love the prisoners to begin with 1544 01:30:21,874 --> 01:30:26,504 and state police who were stressed out was a serious miscalculation, 1545 01:30:26,504 --> 01:30:30,299 somebody should have said, wait a second, wait a second, these people are on edge. 1546 01:30:31,884 --> 01:30:35,513 There is hostility 1547 01:30:35,596 --> 01:30:39,600 and it's going to get out of control. 1548 01:30:40,810 --> 01:30:43,563 We know that now, did we know that 1549 01:30:44,105 --> 01:30:46,023 in real time? 1550 01:30:47,775 --> 01:30:49,569 I guess not. 1551 01:30:52,196 --> 01:30:55,199 I seen this as a glorious fight. 1552 01:30:56,492 --> 01:30:58,744 They would come in with batons 1553 01:30:58,744 --> 01:31:03,666 and stuff like that, and we would be fighting the brave battle 1554 01:31:03,666 --> 01:31:07,170 with baseball bats and stuff like that, I. 1555 01:31:19,265 --> 01:31:20,099 I did. 1556 01:31:25,813 --> 01:31:28,524 I just never expected. 1557 01:31:29,108 --> 01:31:31,736 The the coverage through what actually happened, 1558 01:31:31,736 --> 01:31:33,070 I'm sorry. 1559 01:31:48,294 --> 01:31:51,923 Helicopter, two helicopters and a. 1560 01:31:56,802 --> 01:31:58,346 We're talking now going overhead 1561 01:31:58,346 --> 01:32:01,349 and over the wall into the prison. 1562 01:32:02,433 --> 01:32:05,436 It just disquieted, and Sky was getting dark, 1563 01:32:05,937 --> 01:32:08,189 and then we heard the helicopters does a dance. 1564 01:32:08,898 --> 01:32:11,317 This is fucking strange. 1565 01:32:14,529 --> 01:32:16,864 The helicopter comes up over the wall 1566 01:32:17,281 --> 01:32:19,909 and it's hovering over the yard. 1567 01:32:22,828 --> 01:32:24,205 I seen this. 1568 01:32:24,205 --> 01:32:26,040 I thought it was a monster. 1569 01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,376 It was a helicopter, a green helicopter. 1570 01:32:28,834 --> 01:32:30,086 It was flying low. 1571 01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,718 You see this. 1572 01:32:37,718 --> 01:32:40,846 It's like a sickly green gas with. 1573 01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:43,724 Sparkly stuff, minute coming down. 1574 01:32:44,559 --> 01:32:46,894 It tightens your chest. 1575 01:32:46,894 --> 01:32:49,522 Where you can hardly breathe. 1576 01:32:49,522 --> 01:32:51,732 That gas knocked me down. 1577 01:32:52,275 --> 01:32:54,819 Oh, what that was. 1578 01:32:55,111 --> 01:32:57,196 And they had me so weak I could not. 1579 01:32:57,947 --> 01:33:01,075 Your eyes are just all burning, 1580 01:33:01,075 --> 01:33:03,536 your nose is burning, your mouth is burning. 1581 01:33:10,626 --> 01:33:11,919 I mean, 1582 01:33:12,378 --> 01:33:13,504 we are. 1583 01:33:16,882 --> 01:33:20,303 And you got on the microphone, everybody in D-Block, yeah. 1584 01:33:20,344 --> 01:33:22,847 Put your hands in the air. 1585 01:33:22,847 --> 01:33:24,473 And you are not behind. 1586 01:33:24,473 --> 01:33:29,103 Go to the nearest police officer and you will not be home. 1587 01:33:29,353 --> 01:33:32,523 You would not be home. We will not be. 1588 01:33:32,523 --> 01:33:34,775 You would not be here for that was. 1589 01:33:44,327 --> 01:33:45,244 Do just ended up 1590 01:33:45,244 --> 01:33:47,580 doing this to get blown away. 1591 01:33:48,789 --> 01:33:52,293 They blew his head off and then. 1592 01:33:52,293 --> 01:33:56,255 Has all of a sudden there was all this popping all around us 1593 01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:59,216 and all these little pops 1594 01:33:59,216 --> 01:34:03,012 all around us were actually bullets. 1595 01:34:03,971 --> 01:34:08,643 Oh, and you could really see because the CO2 public first heard 1596 01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:11,812 you blah, that you can hear the boom going by your ear. 1597 01:34:17,234 --> 01:34:20,404 The hostages can't be seen in any. 1598 01:34:23,032 --> 01:34:25,409 I'm trying to stay on the ground as long as possible, 1599 01:34:26,577 --> 01:34:28,746 just like they were shooting down the barrel 1600 01:34:28,746 --> 01:34:32,583 and they started shooting point blank range, blowing guys away . 1601 01:34:32,583 --> 01:34:36,170 I got shot in the arm up there right through the back macroeconomist on. 1602 01:34:39,924 --> 01:34:43,761 I I felt something. 1603 01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,391 Go to my head, it must go, and it was burning, 1604 01:34:49,475 --> 01:34:50,851 no was shot. 1605 01:34:50,851 --> 01:34:54,271 I felt something hit my arm 1606 01:34:54,271 --> 01:34:56,899 and we're all numb and realized needed. 1607 01:34:56,899 --> 01:35:00,027 I got shot in the arm about two inches from my heart 1608 01:35:00,152 --> 01:35:04,448 and also a one to a football helmet on Spanish food. 1609 01:35:05,282 --> 01:35:07,785 Now the guard is up on the catwalk. 1610 01:35:07,785 --> 01:35:12,206 He jumps out with a hammer and throws it up and it hits the catwalk. 1611 01:35:12,748 --> 01:35:17,128 And you can hear the sound clip and all of them turn looked at him, 1612 01:35:17,211 --> 01:35:21,674 and all of them turn their guns on a brutal dashboard body. 1613 01:35:21,841 --> 01:35:23,342 I'm assuming that you guys got anywhere 1614 01:35:23,342 --> 01:35:27,263 from 20 to 50 shots because his body was doing like that. 1615 01:35:27,263 --> 01:35:28,723 I'd never seen no shit like that. 1616 01:35:28,723 --> 01:35:30,725 Not as a nasty shoot in the street. 1617 01:35:30,725 --> 01:35:31,642 I'd never seen them. I did. 1618 01:35:32,685 --> 01:35:34,103 I mean. 1619 01:35:38,899 --> 01:35:41,026 This was a holiday for the. 1620 01:35:41,026 --> 01:35:44,155 We got no guns to shoot back. 1621 01:35:44,155 --> 01:35:44,739 You know what? 1622 01:35:44,739 --> 01:35:49,118 It is a shoe store man and it's a shoe, but that's just a holiday 1623 01:35:49,869 --> 01:35:52,121 slow motion and all it was 1624 01:35:52,121 --> 01:35:55,708 that was save money. 1625 01:35:55,708 --> 01:35:58,252 That's what they will follow to each other. 1626 01:35:58,586 --> 01:36:00,212 I was scared. 1627 01:36:01,630 --> 01:36:03,841 I've done bad things, but I never did this bad. 1628 01:36:04,258 --> 01:36:05,342 As no. 1629 01:36:05,342 --> 01:36:08,721 These guys are real fucking cold blooded 1630 01:36:08,721 --> 01:36:10,347 killers and shit. 1631 01:36:12,016 --> 01:36:15,561 Until that moment came, 1632 01:36:15,644 --> 01:36:19,190 what is killing really started, and I realize that 1633 01:36:20,232 --> 01:36:23,694 you're not that fucking bad guy, no more, man, there's more power with his words 1634 01:36:23,694 --> 01:36:26,864 new, every bullet that missed by me, 1635 01:36:27,698 --> 01:36:29,241 if he could move. 1636 01:36:30,659 --> 01:36:33,496 Close to me, I winced, 1637 01:36:35,664 --> 01:36:37,249 then all of a sudden, it just stopped. 1638 01:36:53,265 --> 01:36:53,516 There are 1639 01:36:53,516 --> 01:36:56,769 people throwing off their smoke gear. 1640 01:36:57,311 --> 01:36:59,522 They ran out screaming niggers, niggers, niggers 1641 01:37:01,148 --> 01:37:04,485 and two of them pointed their guns at me. 1642 01:37:05,110 --> 01:37:06,278 Negative niggers. 1643 01:37:06,278 --> 01:37:08,364 And I said, Don't shoot, don't shoot. 1644 01:37:08,405 --> 01:37:09,406 Don't shoot. 1645 01:37:09,406 --> 01:37:12,284 Well, I'm coughing with all the gas. 1646 01:37:13,244 --> 01:37:14,870 I've been gassed. 1647 01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:16,831 It's an awful thing. 1648 01:37:16,831 --> 01:37:18,624 William Kunstler 1649 01:37:19,625 --> 01:37:22,461 has said that people are dying in there. 1650 01:37:22,711 --> 01:37:26,632 And I agree with that. 1651 01:37:27,132 --> 01:37:31,470 But that people are dying and then a shooting went on forever 1652 01:37:32,054 --> 01:37:35,307 and then it was like the shooting subsided 1653 01:37:35,766 --> 01:37:37,977 and then I heard some. 1654 01:37:38,394 --> 01:37:43,482 After the shooting subsided, I heard some single shot 1655 01:37:43,566 --> 01:37:46,735 bang and bang. 1656 01:37:55,911 --> 01:37:58,122 After they took over the prison, 1657 01:37:58,122 --> 01:38:00,749 all those books that had been speaking to the cameras 1658 01:38:02,251 --> 01:38:05,254 were all targeted and tortured. 1659 01:38:06,005 --> 01:38:08,924 So yes, yes, yes, yes, they were targeted. 1660 01:38:11,218 --> 01:38:13,137 Andy Barclay. 1661 01:38:13,262 --> 01:38:16,307 They were calling his name. 1662 01:38:16,348 --> 01:38:18,684 Going to that, Bob, looking for him 1663 01:38:19,393 --> 01:38:22,187 and threatening him with what they were going to do to him. 1664 01:38:23,606 --> 01:38:26,400 When they when they found him and they found him, 1665 01:38:27,276 --> 01:38:28,944 he was yelling. 1666 01:38:29,612 --> 01:38:32,072 No, no, but it's too fucking late. 1667 01:38:32,114 --> 01:38:35,159 They had him do acting, actually dragging him towards a 1668 01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,454 block far yard over there. 1669 01:38:38,454 --> 01:38:41,165 He's Holland new agreement and the acuity. 1670 01:38:53,052 --> 01:38:55,679 You can see because the gas is so thick, 1671 01:38:56,472 --> 01:38:59,308 but all of a sudden a puff of wind comes 1672 01:39:00,643 --> 01:39:03,479 and disperses the gas. 1673 01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,648 And then I could see. 1674 01:39:05,648 --> 01:39:08,734 And what I saw was fright. 1675 01:39:09,276 --> 01:39:12,237 Hundreds of bodies just laying there. 1676 01:39:13,822 --> 01:39:16,033 Some were moaning, some wasn't moving. 1677 01:39:16,325 --> 01:39:18,827 Blood was everywhere. 1678 01:39:23,791 --> 01:39:28,128 We were given stretchers and told to go into the prison. 1679 01:39:29,254 --> 01:39:31,340 It was really an unthinkable scene. 1680 01:39:31,340 --> 01:39:34,218 It was dead and wounded and simply 1681 01:39:34,218 --> 01:39:36,971 starting to carry them out. 1682 01:39:37,596 --> 01:39:40,224 It was far beyond anything 1683 01:39:40,224 --> 01:39:43,394 I had imagined when they said we would be doing medical evacuation. 1684 01:39:44,311 --> 01:39:47,064 We were basically civilians 1685 01:39:47,064 --> 01:39:50,192 put into a situation where state troopers 1686 01:39:50,192 --> 01:39:52,611 and correctional officers had created a war zone. 1687 01:39:55,072 --> 01:39:59,201 There was a pile of bodies, maybe eight or ten people, 1688 01:39:59,201 --> 01:40:02,246 and the man on top, it had his eyes shot out. 1689 01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:25,686 Right below us, 1690 01:40:25,686 --> 01:40:28,313 there was a huge pool of rainwater 1691 01:40:29,148 --> 01:40:31,483 and it was blood red. 1692 01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:35,154 And I looked down on down at it 1693 01:40:35,154 --> 01:40:38,157 and they said, Those are false teeth down there, aren't they? 1694 01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:41,994 And somebody said, Yeah. 1695 01:40:44,621 --> 01:40:46,790 The attitude of the people 1696 01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:48,917 who should have been concerned 1697 01:40:49,835 --> 01:40:52,504 about what had happened was simply that they were 1698 01:40:53,839 --> 01:40:56,091 pleased with what had happened 1699 01:40:56,091 --> 01:40:59,303 and had no qualms or second thoughts 1700 01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,556 or anything but satisfaction 1701 01:41:02,556 --> 01:41:05,726 with Walker wants to go back to. 1702 01:41:10,898 --> 01:41:13,317 Why white power weight, 1703 01:41:14,443 --> 01:41:16,487 right, right? 1704 01:41:21,909 --> 01:41:24,203 They had control. 1705 01:41:24,203 --> 01:41:26,497 And once they had control, you would think 1706 01:41:26,497 --> 01:41:28,916 that things would have stopped. 1707 01:41:29,708 --> 01:41:31,335 They didn't. 1708 01:41:34,463 --> 01:41:37,674 It was clear that at that point it was all about revenge. 1709 01:41:38,217 --> 01:41:41,011 It was all about reestablishing who was in charge. 1710 01:41:41,428 --> 01:41:44,765 And the most violent ways possible. 1711 01:41:52,356 --> 01:41:55,025 Everybody had to crawl through shit, 1712 01:41:55,025 --> 01:41:57,319 human waste. 1713 01:42:00,864 --> 01:42:01,740 But what do you do? 1714 01:42:01,740 --> 01:42:05,202 Do you live to tell your story 1715 01:42:05,369 --> 01:42:07,538 like I'm doing today or do you fucking die? 1716 01:42:08,497 --> 01:42:09,289 I made a choice. 1717 01:42:09,289 --> 01:42:10,624 I want to live. 1718 01:42:14,461 --> 01:42:16,547 Chrome nickel chrome 1719 01:42:16,547 --> 01:42:18,632 for like a dog. 1720 01:42:23,220 --> 01:42:26,807 If you look up, nigga, I'll blow your motherfucking brains out. 1721 01:42:28,684 --> 01:42:31,353 What the fuck they care about calling you a nigger? 1722 01:42:31,979 --> 01:42:34,398 That was your name. 1723 01:42:35,232 --> 01:42:36,525 They had us marching 1724 01:42:36,525 --> 01:42:38,902 around the yard with our with our hands 1725 01:42:40,028 --> 01:42:41,989 interlocked like this on top of our heads, 1726 01:42:41,989 --> 01:42:44,199 abject surrender. 1727 01:42:56,336 --> 01:42:58,505 When I saw these naked bodies 1728 01:42:59,131 --> 01:43:03,385 lined up, snaked around the area, it reminded me 1729 01:43:03,927 --> 01:43:09,057 of portrayals of of African-Americans being heard it on the slave ships. 1730 01:43:09,808 --> 01:43:12,477 That was just horrendous, just horrible, 1731 01:43:12,644 --> 01:43:13,604 horrible. 1732 01:43:23,864 --> 01:43:26,366 We're next in the middle of fucking yard. 1733 01:43:27,284 --> 01:43:30,245 God's going around with like baby bats. 1734 01:43:30,287 --> 01:43:34,208 It was seven remote guys as I'm laying here and I'm hoping 1735 01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:36,501 they don't come my way. 1736 01:43:49,097 --> 01:43:52,100 Frank Schmidt, Big Black, was put on a table 1737 01:43:52,434 --> 01:43:55,771 with the football under his throat. 1738 01:43:58,899 --> 01:44:01,276 People stood up above him on the catwalk, 1739 01:44:01,318 --> 01:44:05,530 aiming their guns down at him, throwing cigars and cigaret butts on him 1740 01:44:07,157 --> 01:44:07,824 . And 1741 01:44:07,824 --> 01:44:11,161 it said, Do said football falls, nigger, we're going to shoot you. 1742 01:44:14,915 --> 01:44:17,251 He was told to get to his feet. 1743 01:44:17,251 --> 01:44:20,212 He tried, he stumbled, he fell. 1744 01:44:20,212 --> 01:44:22,256 He was hit with clubs 1745 01:44:22,464 --> 01:44:24,758 on his back between his legs. 1746 01:44:25,884 --> 01:44:28,345 And he was crying out. 1747 01:44:28,971 --> 01:44:31,139 You know, don't do this. Don't do this. 1748 01:44:31,723 --> 01:44:34,685 And then you could hear him screaming as 1749 01:44:34,685 --> 01:44:36,687 he went up to the prison. 1750 01:44:42,192 --> 01:44:44,653 It felt good that I had survived this shit. 1751 01:44:45,654 --> 01:44:48,073 And now I got a look out 1752 01:44:48,699 --> 01:44:52,286 because some motion is coming. 1753 01:44:56,957 --> 01:44:58,250 The inmates were entering 1754 01:44:58,250 --> 01:45:00,794 these corridors off of the yard 1755 01:45:01,837 --> 01:45:04,464 and the guards were like 1756 01:45:04,464 --> 01:45:06,925 five or six feet apart with their clubs 1757 01:45:07,676 --> 01:45:11,722 and they would hit them against the wall and there was just this 1758 01:45:12,764 --> 01:45:14,850 dull drum like sound. 1759 01:45:14,850 --> 01:45:18,395 And then they were hitting the inmates as they ran a gantlet. 1760 01:45:23,150 --> 01:45:25,485 We could hear the screams coming out 1761 01:45:25,485 --> 01:45:29,072 so that we knew they were being tortured 1762 01:45:29,072 --> 01:45:33,410 and that we were somehow part of this unthinkable scene 1763 01:45:33,618 --> 01:45:37,164 that there was no escaping from but was completely wrong. 1764 01:45:41,043 --> 01:45:44,171 They had guards on both sides, and they would be hitting you 1765 01:45:44,421 --> 01:45:45,922 as you were running through beating you 1766 01:45:45,922 --> 01:45:49,885 with hoses and batons and whatever they had in their hands. 1767 01:45:50,093 --> 01:45:52,220 I'm ducking, trying to get through, 1768 01:45:52,220 --> 01:45:55,849 protecting my head, so I hit all of my all the elbows. 1769 01:45:55,849 --> 01:46:00,228 My knees still hurt, beating you and they're making you run 1770 01:46:00,228 --> 01:46:01,313 through the gantlet with it, 1771 01:46:01,313 --> 01:46:04,274 took all the glass out the fucking windows and put it in the middle of the floor. 1772 01:46:04,608 --> 01:46:06,568 So you had to run through grass with bare feet. 1773 01:46:06,568 --> 01:46:09,029 Nobody came out of that yard. 1774 01:46:09,029 --> 01:46:14,117 What with picking without having to pick a shot of your feet for four weeks? 1775 01:46:15,994 --> 01:46:19,456 Couldn't walk, nobody could walk anymore. 1776 01:46:19,456 --> 01:46:21,541 But we had to run because if you didn't run, 1777 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,587 they just kept beating you with these clubs. 1778 01:46:34,012 --> 01:46:36,890 The families of the hostages, a lot of them waited 1779 01:46:36,890 --> 01:46:40,644 just outside the prison wall. 1780 01:46:43,063 --> 01:46:45,440 Then news began to filter out of Attica. 1781 01:46:45,774 --> 01:46:48,985 Names of freed hostages were called out to the loved one 1782 01:46:49,152 --> 01:46:52,072 by Curtis Lieutenant Colonel 1783 01:46:52,364 --> 01:46:53,240 Robert 1784 01:46:54,199 --> 01:46:54,825 Elder. 1785 01:46:58,036 --> 01:46:59,830 Some didn't see their men come out. 1786 01:46:59,830 --> 01:47:01,665 All they learned was the name of the hospital 1787 01:47:01,665 --> 01:47:03,458 where the survivors were being treated. 1788 01:47:03,458 --> 01:47:04,876 There were no time to wait. 1789 01:47:04,876 --> 01:47:08,296 They ran off to see their man. 1790 01:47:10,715 --> 01:47:12,759 People couldn't seem to run fast enough. 1791 01:47:17,514 --> 01:47:19,599 My mom came home and she was with her sister, 1792 01:47:19,599 --> 01:47:21,810 and my mom was crying, obviously upset. 1793 01:47:25,230 --> 01:47:27,190 I was outside sitting on the front porch, 1794 01:47:27,190 --> 01:47:30,318 you know, praying and worrying, and where's dad? 1795 01:47:30,485 --> 01:47:33,155 I respect him to show up, you know, and. 1796 01:47:34,573 --> 01:47:37,159 I again, my mom was dead. 1797 01:47:37,868 --> 01:47:39,953 What's what's why are you crying, what's going on? 1798 01:47:39,995 --> 01:47:43,915 Well, my mother came back in the house and, you know, he 1799 01:47:43,957 --> 01:47:47,294 she said, nobody to play with me now, are you? 1800 01:47:47,294 --> 01:47:50,589 I mean, you know, because I didn't want to believe it. 1801 01:47:50,922 --> 01:47:54,718 And she finally said, I saw him. 1802 01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:57,179 I saw him. 1803 01:48:01,141 --> 01:48:01,600 Finally, 1804 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,562 she blurted out, Your father's dead. 1805 01:48:05,896 --> 01:48:07,355 So it ran. 1806 01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,694 We're in for a while, and I came back 1807 01:48:13,570 --> 01:48:17,991 and I was sitting on the front porch trying to be strong and not cry. 1808 01:48:18,033 --> 01:48:21,119 And I could hear everybody in the house crying 1809 01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,705 and I was trying to be so tough and. 1810 01:48:31,838 --> 01:48:32,964 All right. 1811 01:48:34,049 --> 01:48:34,716 Yeah, right. 1812 01:48:49,981 --> 01:48:52,776 The National Guardsmen were told to get back in their trucks, 1813 01:48:53,235 --> 01:48:56,196 and we did that and were taken out to the parking area. 1814 01:48:56,947 --> 01:49:01,743 And the colonel then addressed the battalion, maybe several hundred men, 1815 01:49:02,369 --> 01:49:05,455 and he said, essentially you saw things 1816 01:49:05,455 --> 01:49:08,166 that were excessive and wrong today. 1817 01:49:09,042 --> 01:49:12,337 And I have to ask you not to speak of this to anyone 1818 01:49:12,879 --> 01:49:16,716 because the world will not understand what happened here today. 1819 01:49:19,386 --> 01:49:22,639 The most violent rebellion in modern American penal history 1820 01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:26,101 came to an end today at the maximum security prison in New York. 1821 01:49:26,393 --> 01:49:29,396 In the final hours of the revolt, led primarily by blacks, 1822 01:49:29,688 --> 01:49:32,190 the inmates murdered nine of their white hostages. 1823 01:49:32,566 --> 01:49:33,942 28 convicts were killed 1824 01:49:33,942 --> 01:49:37,237 by state troopers, and sheriff's deputies will regain control of the prison. 1825 01:49:37,862 --> 01:49:40,907 The storming of the prison had the full approval of New York's governor, 1826 01:49:40,907 --> 01:49:45,453 Rockefeller, who earlier had rejected a prisoner demand for complete clemency. 1827 01:49:45,787 --> 01:49:50,166 The White House said that after the prison was retaken, President Nixon telephoned 1828 01:49:50,166 --> 01:49:53,420 the governor to express his approval of Rockefeller's action. 1829 01:49:55,005 --> 01:49:58,008 We went in we couldn't tell whether all 39 1830 01:49:58,008 --> 01:50:01,177 hostages would be killed and maybe two or 300 prisoners. 1831 01:50:01,678 --> 01:50:04,055 So we were able to pick off 1832 01:50:04,723 --> 01:50:07,726 either from the wall or as our men went in. 1833 01:50:09,185 --> 01:50:10,020 The man who had the 1834 01:50:10,020 --> 01:50:12,480 knives at the throat of the hostages 1835 01:50:13,106 --> 01:50:16,401 and they did a fabulous job. 1836 01:50:16,693 --> 01:50:18,820 I mean, this is this 1837 01:50:18,820 --> 01:50:22,032 are these primarily blacks? 1838 01:50:22,032 --> 01:50:24,909 Know, and the whole thing was led by the black cabinet, 1839 01:50:25,035 --> 01:50:27,162 are all the All Blacks? 1840 01:50:28,747 --> 01:50:32,959 I haven't got that report, but I have to admit I just out. 1841 01:50:33,126 --> 01:50:35,378 Yeah, yeah, we've got to have any. 1842 01:50:35,795 --> 01:50:38,506 We just not tolerate this kind of 1843 01:50:39,716 --> 01:50:40,675 anarchy. 1844 01:50:46,389 --> 01:50:48,725 Yesterday, officials at the prison said 1845 01:50:48,725 --> 01:50:51,645 eight of the hostages had had their throats cut. 1846 01:50:52,062 --> 01:50:54,814 But today, the Monroe County medical examiner, 1847 01:50:54,814 --> 01:50:58,360 having looked at the bodies, said no throats were cut at all. 1848 01:50:58,943 --> 01:51:03,615 The medical examiner says the hostages were apparently killed by a large caliber 1849 01:51:03,615 --> 01:51:06,701 ammunition and shotgun blasts from a distance, 1850 01:51:07,077 --> 01:51:10,747 which immediately raised the possibility that some of the hostages may 1851 01:51:10,747 --> 01:51:14,626 in fact have been shot down by the lawmen who broke in to rescue them. 1852 01:51:15,877 --> 01:51:18,672 Some of the hostages were actually shot 1853 01:51:19,172 --> 01:51:22,008 running towards the state troopers thinking, 1854 01:51:22,217 --> 01:51:25,220 I'm saved, I'm saved. 1855 01:51:25,220 --> 01:51:27,305 And the hostages were dressed 1856 01:51:27,305 --> 01:51:30,058 the same way the inmates were. 1857 01:51:30,392 --> 01:51:33,228 Anything that inmate garb on it. 1858 01:51:33,228 --> 01:51:36,064 They just started shooting at. 1859 01:51:38,108 --> 01:51:42,195 What Rockefeller had done was treat. 1860 01:51:43,279 --> 01:51:45,448 The hostages 1861 01:51:46,032 --> 01:51:49,452 as no more real live 1862 01:51:49,452 --> 01:51:54,374 human beings who deserve to be respected than the prisoners. 1863 01:51:54,958 --> 01:51:58,628 And so you kill them all and you restore order 1864 01:51:59,170 --> 01:52:03,258 and you make me into a major 1865 01:52:03,425 --> 01:52:06,594 figure who believes in law and order 1866 01:52:07,095 --> 01:52:11,349 at a time when that concept is beginning 1867 01:52:11,349 --> 01:52:14,978 to really take hold. 1868 01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:37,459 We should have entered 1869 01:52:37,459 --> 01:52:40,044 in a negotiated settlement. 1870 01:52:40,545 --> 01:52:42,964 No, they were they were interested in that, they were interested in showing. 1871 01:52:44,382 --> 01:52:47,469 The naked fist of power law and order. 1872 01:52:49,137 --> 01:52:52,223 The national mindset of the nation was law and order. 1873 01:52:53,141 --> 01:52:55,727 And law and order does not permit. 1874 01:52:57,312 --> 01:53:00,273 Any challenge? 1875 01:53:00,273 --> 01:53:03,234 To his authority whatsoever. 1876 01:53:03,234 --> 01:53:06,154 God willing, a few more months in January will be 90 years old. 1877 01:53:07,572 --> 01:53:10,283 I will never, ever, ever, ever, 1878 01:53:10,742 --> 01:53:12,911 ever, ever, ever. 1879 01:53:13,912 --> 01:53:15,413 We get Atika. 1880 01:53:15,705 --> 01:53:16,372 Ever. 1881 01:53:19,459 --> 01:53:22,796 It didn't have to be that way. 1882 01:54:06,714 --> 01:54:09,217 All eight cases. 1883 01:54:09,300 --> 01:54:13,221 Died of gunshot wounds. 1884 01:54:13,346 --> 01:54:16,266 There was no evidence of slash throats. 1885 01:54:18,017 --> 01:54:21,229 We're sure 1886 01:54:22,438 --> 01:54:26,985 your. The. 1887 01:54:37,620 --> 01:54:39,998 I have never received an apology. 1888 01:54:41,875 --> 01:54:43,751 I've never received an apology, and for me, 1889 01:54:43,751 --> 01:54:45,753 that's a pretty big deal. 1890 01:54:53,428 --> 01:54:54,220 What is money 1891 01:54:54,220 --> 01:54:57,223 do when you don't have your dad 1892 01:54:57,223 --> 01:55:00,059 or your brother or your uncle who? 1893 01:55:02,770 --> 01:55:05,398 How does that replace anything? 1894 01:55:05,732 --> 01:55:08,526 And I think it was the state's way of saying, 1895 01:55:09,819 --> 01:55:13,907 we're going to give you this money and we want you to go away and. 1896 01:55:17,660 --> 01:55:20,997 This is my. 1897 01:55:21,748 --> 01:55:23,791 True. 1898 01:55:25,418 --> 01:55:26,628 Well, she. 1899 01:55:29,047 --> 01:55:30,965 He threw 1900 01:55:30,965 --> 01:55:35,011 for nearly 30 years, former Attica inmates have waited for justice. 1901 01:55:35,762 --> 01:55:38,431 Today, it finally came in the form of a 12 1902 01:55:38,431 --> 01:55:41,059 million dollar settlement. 1903 01:55:42,435 --> 01:55:47,023 Be. There's no justice. 1904 01:55:48,942 --> 01:55:50,985 All we got was money 1905 01:55:50,985 --> 01:55:53,446 and money wasn't enough. 1906 01:55:53,446 --> 01:55:56,157 Then you can't justify all the killings that happened in Attica. 1907 01:55:56,783 --> 01:55:58,493 You can't justify that. 1908 01:55:58,493 --> 01:55:59,535 So there's no justice. 1909 01:55:59,535 --> 01:56:02,080 There is no justice. 1910 01:56:04,207 --> 01:56:07,126 We shall. 1911 01:56:08,211 --> 01:56:11,714 Be. And. 1912 01:56:15,802 --> 01:56:18,388 They might. 1913 01:56:19,555 --> 01:56:21,516 True. 1914 01:56:23,142 --> 01:56:25,728 Well, I'm sure. 1915 01:56:26,854 --> 01:56:30,066 Me, too, 1916 01:56:30,066 --> 01:56:32,610 do so. 1917 01:56:38,825 --> 01:56:40,994 And. Be. 1918 01:56:49,293 --> 01:56:55,174 You. Some 1919 01:56:55,174 --> 01:57:13,943 foolish. Oh. 150998

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