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Why is it so dangerous
to be an environmentalist in Colombia?
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Do you know who it is that wants you dead?
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The Cuban government is still boiling down
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on their legacy of repression
and surveillance.
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Neuroscientists are finding new ways
to Fuze man and machine.
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Would you call Cancer Alley
environmental racism?
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It's just a whole different way
of telling the story.
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I'm getting anger about conservatives
being persecuted.
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Something always was ready to happen
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that had occurred.
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The population was tied.
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Tired of lies of promises.
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We would tie.
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Someone picked a guard.
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And after you hear God, he's over.
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Then all hell broke loose.
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I'm in the middle of shall
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we start hearing these sirens going off
to hell as it is?
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I was in the shower.
I came home soaking wet
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and the place is
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going crazy, and all of a sudden.
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I seen the medical shop door open
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and I seen guys come running in there
with great big pipes and knives
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and before, you know,
everybody was running all over the place.
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Then you started seeing people
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sticking their faces to the broken windows
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and saying, Grab the guards,
grab the guards, grand keys, get keys.
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There's guards that are getting beat up.
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Anybody that fell in your head
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that was part of the administration
was, well, get a beat.
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It was my opportunity
to fight those who beat me down now
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because I'm
with a whole lot of killers now.
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It's us versus them,
and I just jumped in it.
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I didn't plan anything,
and I wasn't the type of thing
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that was kicking the police.
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I still feel good about it.
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It would have ended right there
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because they were in a confined area,
locks around the block tier.
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Times Square was locked, but the prisoners
went back towards Times Square
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and began to yank on the gates.
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All the four blocks met at Times Square
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and the Council
on the Layout of the Prison Times
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Square as the hub,
the central hub of the prison.
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The morning of the riot,
my father was in Times Square.
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He had keys to all of the doorways
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and unfortunately the inmates
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that were in a tunnel continue
to push against
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that cell door, and they began yelling
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for my dad
to unlock the gate and cleanse out that.
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I said,
Oh, sure, this is, and it hit their home.
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Oh, they started banging on the.
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And all the good and all the good
and unbeknownst to anybody.
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one of the hinges had been.
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Welded together
kind of jury rigged during construction
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in 1932, that will brook a lot.
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Says Popped.
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And they
rushed out when the gate came down.
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They attacked my father
and they took his keys,
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which of course, gave them access
to all of the doors within Times Square.
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He was beaten very severely.
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Adobe.
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And I put two knuckles on close calls
and then I could feel a pulse.
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But it was very faint.
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It was like a flutter.
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And a minute or two later, another flood.
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There were some inmates that knew my dad.
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four Muslim inmates
who got a mattress out of a block
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and put my dad on the mattress,
and they brought him from
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Times Square and told them
that they have a correctional officer
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that has been badly injured
and he needs medical attention.
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At some point an ambulance did arrive.
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During that time, my mother
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was notified that my father was injured.
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After they got the Queen's keys,
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they opened up all four sites
and said we got the joy in their holiday.
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We got the job.
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It to everybody and do it.
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We do,
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but we can not only.
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So we all the but d-black.
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The place is blowing up
smoke pouring from five buildings,
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the prison chapel
and laundry gutted by flames.
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We only have control of our yard.
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They had control of the system,
they had control of the gates
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and the doors, and the walkways
did was up and walkway with guns.
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But you can watch you.
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I'm turning now from B Block,
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taking in the group
on the roof of C Block.
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Right
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now, the
yard and D-Block is coming into view
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shooting now through the 270 rifle scope,
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and they're ugly and black,
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and they grow gentlemen
I've ever seen in my life.
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We knew they were out there
on the catwalks.
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They were positioning themselves in a way,
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although you knew they were there,
they positioned themselves
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out of sight.
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Most of the prisoners
have concealed their faces
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by wearing scarves, towels
and what have you over their faces.
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That was a way to guard
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your identity from being exposed.
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And if they came in, you know
you have protection.
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Well, we thought we did.
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In Attica, New York,
about 1000 long term convicts
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today rioted and they gained control
of the maximum security prison.
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They also seized 33 guards as hostages
and injured others in the fighting.
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State police have regained
control of most of the prison,
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but the trouble isn't over yet.
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When we
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got to deal with the hostages,
we hollered,
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we got hostages and we had about 1000
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men shouting at.
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We know
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Indian hostages to keep the police coming
and drop in on us, got our hostages.
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That's the only that's the only leverage.
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As long as they have the hostages,
they didn't have guns
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and they didn't have this
and they didn't have that,
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but they had hostages.
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And they're your people
and you were responsible for your people.
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You're responsible to protect your people
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and do your job.
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Sit down and negotiate with us
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getting into the area
where the 21 hostages are being held
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here in that main group room
because the prisoners
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have taken their clothing away
and put prison clothes on.
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They were blindfolded in a circle
in the middle of the yard.
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They also had guards, inmate guards
that were around them, protecting them.
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And we seen them as captives.
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We seen as people who were in on the.
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Our supervision.
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So we couldn't do harm to them,
but understand that Islam
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was that you don't harm a captive,
therefore.
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It was decided.
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To allow the Muslim brothers.
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To look out for them.
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I was so mad at them for not letting us
get to the police
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because I wanted to put my hands
someone I wanted to get wanted
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to give them a very fuck them up.
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These are the same politicians
talking down to me,
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dirty to me and tell me, get over it.
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So I said, Yeah, now
what do you think about me now?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And the good thing that the Muslims just
did because London police would have been
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on video.
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It's hard for somebody that
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has never been incarcerated
to understand how surreal
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everything is at this point in time,
we nobody threatening us.
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We had, you know, it sounds crazy,
but it was when you had it a little bit,
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even this much control over your own life,
even for a short period.
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You know, it's going to cost you,
you know, in spades.
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You know,
it was a moment of exuberance. Of.
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Somehow doing something
to have some control over your own life,
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you do it up,
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don't lose.
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When you first got out,
there was totally just gave it up.
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Guys are coming up.
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Food, clothing, setting up tents.
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Oh, it's a festive time.
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We, we're free.
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We came together as a community,
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and that's when there was no such thing
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as black, white, Hispanic,
whatever it was about.
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We are inmates
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and we
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need to be able to survive
whatever's going on.
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Oh, good.
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Come on, buddy.
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So we're you
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to have, you know, what is it
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we did about it?
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We die.
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Got we.
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The guys that had been to Vietnam,
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they said, let's make Hutchins,
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who draws of ten kids,
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took a stick
and put a sheet over all of that,
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and I was just sleeping quarters
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by the time guys started
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having to go to the bathroom.
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There was none will work
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the crowd that had been to Vietnam
and been in the army, they said.
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We got to make that a train.
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They knew the latrine was.
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I don't know what all the training was.
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I'll give you a lap.
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All right. All right.
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Okay. I got to speak.
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There was his
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brother
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and I said, Brother, he was white.
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They call him tiny.
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And he was like a nurse
before the article, before you happened
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to set up a medical section of New York.
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For anybody who had any problems to go
and in time you would take him
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and the medical attention in your eye
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was much better than the medical tent
you got throughout the years.
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Oh, and he had a good time.
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He was making wine
and cooking food outside.
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It was like a big picnic,
like a chanty town.
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You know, like that would belong.
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When in Buffalo Bill was out there,
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have you ever watched Gunsmoke
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the West?
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Well, Matt, Matt Dillon
was the show marshal at the Gunsmoke.
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He kept order
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and we didn't have a map.
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Every man was a law unto himself.
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He did whatever the hell you want to do.
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There was no order.
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The assignment
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editor says there's
this place called Attica and there's
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some prison riot up there
and we want you to go up and do it.
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We're not sure about any of what
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the details are specifically.
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And off I went.
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Up to Buffalo and then on to Attica.
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This is John
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Johnson, ABC News, Attica, New York.
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It was just an extremely
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fluid situation, to say the least.
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And it was hard to get information.
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I mean, we couldn't get inside,
and all we heard was
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these inmates want to talk
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and they have prisoners.
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And this was something almost
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that had never happened in history.
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This huge institution
where the inmates have taken over.
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Oh my goodness.
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Atika, New York had never heard of Atika,
New York.
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What's an etiquette?
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Quite frankly,
I did not know what to expect
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when I got to Atika.
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We parked right in front of the prison,
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so consequently we just set up and started
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filming as much as we possibly could
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of the activities outside of the prison
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. We had no idea what was happening
inside.
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Your instructions are that
your weapon is not to be taken by you.
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To be taken,
you're to meet force with force.
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There have been some of the prison
personnel severely injured here
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this morning, and we certainly don't
want to see any right
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people hurt.
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The state police officers
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were being handed out weapons.
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They were making sure they had gas masks.
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It looked to me like they were ready to
go in and retake the prison.
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The inmates
circumstances, might you go inside?
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Pardon me.
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Might you go inside
under some circumstances?
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Well, one doesn't know.
I'll have to fill this out.
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The inmates made any demands. one me.
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I don't know.
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They say that they only want to speak
with the governor or me.
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There seem to be some sense at the time
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that we are going to have to negotiate
something
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to save the lives of the hostages
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because of the hostages that they have.
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There's the possibility that negotiations
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will begin.
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And we're looking at a man
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using a loudspeaker on a bullhorn.
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Well,
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there appears to be a large meeting
going on in this area,
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although we can't hear anything from that
section.
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That's right.
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And inmates
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decided that,
you know, they're in a situation that,
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you know, that required man
a little bit more focus,
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a little bit more discipline,
how to combine the actual population.
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Who do you want to represent you? You
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mean we had elections, blah blah blah.
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That's where we got our leaders from.
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Hell.
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Now some guys have some juice in.
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They already.
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The guys that have been there, while
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all other inmates respected
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what they were saying made sense to most,
everybody was in the yard.
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And they had a plan
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and they had a plan about making things
different for the prison system itself.
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All we want is the basic necessities
of being treated like human beings,
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even though we're in prison,
we're human beings and stuff like that.
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The prisoners
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in the yard must have had a radio.
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They heard I was outside.
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So they ask for me to come in.
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I said, sure.
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And they then said
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we would like Commissioner
Oswald to come in, and
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some of his assistant
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said, Don't go, don't go
that you can't trust them.
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And Oswald said,
Of course, I'm going to go in.
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We are glad to have someone
from the administration
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point blank
coming in and view it as fact, now
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we're making some kind of headway
beginning here.
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We got some contact with somebody.
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We've got some negotiations for you
listening to us.
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I've never heard of this before
negotiating
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with inmates, and I just assume
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that this was going to be
in a landmark moment in American history.
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I thought that this was going
to be negotiated
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to a decent humanitarian end.
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It seems to be a little misunderstanding
about why.
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This incident developed at Attica
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in this declaration here
will explain the reasons
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the entire incident that has erupted
here, Adam, is not a result.
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Well,
in college towns and their factory towns,
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there's all kinds of towns in this country
and this is Attica, New York.
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It's a prison town.
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Most of the people
in the village of Attica
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make their living,
working at the state prison
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for 40 years.
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Most have lived within
sight of the prison wall.
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They have never feared.
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The village of Attica
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was a great place to live was
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very typical.
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I think small town
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where you knew everyone,
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you were related
to probably half of the town.
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We've ride our bikes through town,
go to the park,
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we go swimming at the public pool,
we go hiking up in the woods.
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Erica is a company town.
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Many of the people who work there
and have lived in our town
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worked as either civilian employees
or corrections officers at Attica.
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My grandfather worked there.
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My dad worked there.
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And between six or
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eight of the houses that were on
our street had correctional officers
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or civilian individuals
working in them with their families.
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These were the only jobs in the area,
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dairy farming and the prisons.
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So there was this culture clash
that came together to Africa.
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You had all white guards.
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And a population of prisoners,
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there was 70 or more percent
black and brown.
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What could go wrong?
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And the reputation was called
the last stop.
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This was the most strict prison
in the state of New York.
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It was known the word was dead
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that when you got there,
you knew where he was in for a hard place.
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Last place,
the last place, Attica was the last place
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that was that was that that was last.
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And you've got to really be there
to see why
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there was no, no black guards in Attica.
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There was no Spanish guards.
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They were all white people, man
that come from the local neighborhoods
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that don't know
nothing about people who come from broken
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people who come from Manhattan,
people who come from the Bronx.
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They don't know
nothing about this culture.
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Most of
them don't even want to talk to you.
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They're giving you just straight.
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Don't talk to me.
354
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And it was like that Don't talk to me.
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They were hit the state bar.
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And this is a metal.
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A metal tips that.
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And it rings out, but and you walk
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and then when they want you to stop,
they said. But
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that was their communication.
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The only thing was right was being right
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and I mean it in all sincerity
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where everybody was sort of like
not so much mixing with other countries
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would stand together
for the purpose of the.
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Survival,
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I was white, so I got the best jobs.
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I was always given a little bit
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more leeway than the Blacks.
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I can get an extra meal if I want to one
because I was a white guy.
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I'm a I'm a white guy, you know,
give me a little extra.
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And I got it.
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I always was able to manipulate the system
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inside the prison
because I was a white guy.
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I'm almost ashamed to say
that I took advantage of that back then,
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but it was the only way to survive.
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It really, really was.
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A roll of toilet
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paper would have to last you a month.
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You have to be a magician
or tear up papers
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00:23:52,055 --> 00:23:55,350
out of the books and stuff like that
to wipe your behind and stuff like that.
381
00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:58,186
Guys were complaining
about basically things like toothpaste.
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Toilet paper.
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A change of sheets.
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More than once a month.
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00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,487
Things like digging clothes being cleaned.
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Personal hygiene, things
being treated like human beings.
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00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:17,205
No school program, Atika, was.
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I can't describe it to me.
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It was dead.
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00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:23,336
It was just dead.
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There was no religious freedom,
particularly
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for the burgeoning Muslim movement.
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They were denied the right to worship.
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00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:40,854
They were fed pork because the prison
also had a farm where they raised pigs.
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So that's what you god.
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00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:46,193
If it isn't $0.60 a day,
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00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,862
so that's $0.24 a meal.
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00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:52,407
If saw money on $0.21.
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00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:54,826
I swear to God,
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00:24:54,826 --> 00:24:57,746
one time I got my head opened up by God
401
00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:00,707
and I was put into a segregation cell.
402
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,960
And a doctor came, you know,
403
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,004
just out of I was bleeding all over.
404
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:10,467
So it's like they cracked my head wide
open.
405
00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:15,096
Put it over here,
but they had a feeding hole in the cell.
406
00:25:16,264 --> 00:25:17,724
And so I put it that he put a
407
00:25:17,724 --> 00:25:21,353
flashlight like, I swear to God,
he hit me with the flashlight.
408
00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:25,398
Right, right where the cut was.
409
00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:27,943
And walked away.
410
00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:35,033
They wait
until everybody is locked up at night
411
00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,953
and then they come for you,
come for you as a goose.
412
00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:44,042
These are the beat up police.
413
00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:46,294
These two guys, they come nine, ten.
414
00:25:47,587 --> 00:25:49,339
Real big guys
415
00:25:49,339 --> 00:25:53,718
with real big sticks when they come in
and they beat you up in your show
416
00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:57,138
and then they take, you say, gation
and sometimes you don't come back.
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00:25:57,472 --> 00:25:59,015
Attica was.
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00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:02,852
It's.
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00:26:05,188 --> 00:26:08,733
Fear they they ran the prison would fear.
420
00:26:10,193 --> 00:26:12,654
Being scared of them were their means
421
00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:15,365
of running a prison.
422
00:26:18,618 --> 00:26:21,288
You either shut your mouth
or you were in big trouble.
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00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:25,458
Some people died.
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00:26:26,042 --> 00:26:29,754
Somewhat crippled,
somewhat psychologically damaged
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00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:33,717
for life. And.
426
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,388
It was a bad place to be.
427
00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:45,979
They wanted to to institute
428
00:26:45,979 --> 00:26:48,732
and instill that fear
and that they were in control,
429
00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:52,402
even though they knew
they were losing control.
430
00:26:54,821 --> 00:26:55,822
My generation
431
00:26:55,822 --> 00:26:58,325
that came into Annika at that time,
432
00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:02,329
we felt that we was in broken Malabar
as we wasn't
433
00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:05,540
shuffling our feet,
we would walk with our heads up high.
434
00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:08,001
We would talk in our own lingo.
435
00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:09,336
Who's your daddy?
436
00:27:09,336 --> 00:27:11,087
That's what we were going to take.
437
00:27:11,087 --> 00:27:13,006
Nothing from nobody.
438
00:27:13,256 --> 00:27:15,425
We want to respect.
439
00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,762
You had to give it to us,
would you want to do or not?
440
00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:22,307
I'd read Algiers Cleaver Soul on Ice.
441
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:27,479
Huey Newton and, you know, the path of
Piety and George Jackson story.
442
00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:28,897
I read all that stuff.
443
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,565
George Jackson was revolutionary.
444
00:27:30,565 --> 00:27:35,904
He's got to get busted for a ten dollar
on gas station robbery and gang life.
445
00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:38,865
He ended up in the system
in the soul of the prison.
446
00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:42,410
He showed us. And I mean us.
447
00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:45,705
The younger guys that came into Attica
448
00:27:46,456 --> 00:27:49,626
there was OK to say no.
449
00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:52,253
It was OK to be rebellious.
450
00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:56,716
Understand
they may be consequences to saying no.
451
00:27:58,134 --> 00:28:00,053
But it was OK
452
00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,098
and it was uplifting, it was uplifting.
453
00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:07,519
I think racism is a controlled
of control would
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00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,106
create an atmosphere whereby then
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00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:16,361
petroleum, of course, here in prison
we see the repression
456
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:18,655
and the exploitation,
457
00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:21,616
the victimization of.
458
00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:24,577
Lower class people's.
459
00:28:24,744 --> 00:28:27,747
A lot of Black Panthers
were coming to prison.
460
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,251
I started hanging out with them
and they politicized me.
461
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:35,422
The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense
calls upon the American people in general
462
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:39,592
and the black people in particular
to take careful note of the racist.
463
00:28:39,592 --> 00:28:43,304
Police agencies throughout the country
are intensifying the terror,
464
00:28:43,513 --> 00:28:46,558
brutality, murder
and repression of black people.
465
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:51,896
Of course, you had black Muslims
and his message to a black man really?
466
00:28:52,188 --> 00:28:55,400
Well, a lot of guys that were in jail.
467
00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:57,277
You want one thing?
468
00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:59,946
We declare our right on this word
469
00:29:00,530 --> 00:29:04,242
to be a man, to be a human being,
to be respected,
470
00:29:04,325 --> 00:29:07,412
every human being,
to be given the rights of a human being
471
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:12,083
in this society, on this Earth,
and this day what we intend
472
00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:16,212
to bring into existence
by any means in the city.
473
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:21,801
Officials at
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00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:25,054
California's San Quentin
Prison still are trying to piece together
475
00:29:25,054 --> 00:29:28,767
exactly what happened and how inmate
attempted prison break yesterday,
476
00:29:29,058 --> 00:29:31,603
in which three convicts and three guards
died.
477
00:29:32,312 --> 00:29:35,565
one of the dead convicts was George
Jackson of the self-styled
478
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:38,276
Soledad Brothers. Jackson was 29.
479
00:29:38,902 --> 00:29:40,904
Joy Jackson was that final straw?
480
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:42,280
I don't give a fuck no more.
481
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,615
You're going to kill us anyway.
482
00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:45,825
We can't get out when it's fucking cage.
483
00:29:45,825 --> 00:29:47,035
So where we're going.
484
00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:49,746
So if we're going to die,
let's die as men.
485
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:53,625
And brother just got frustrated.
486
00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,378
We'd go into the mess hall
487
00:29:57,378 --> 00:29:59,964
with a black band on Iran.
488
00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:02,634
And just sit there,
take a spoon when you come in.
489
00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:04,969
Take no food.
490
00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:06,513
We didn't speak.
491
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:10,475
During the whole time,
we didn't pick up any food.
492
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,521
That I think kind of alerted
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00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:17,023
the institution that we are in solidarity.
494
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:20,276
They're probably seen that type
495
00:30:20,276 --> 00:30:23,112
of solidarity before.
496
00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:31,871
There was a lot of talk
497
00:30:31,871 --> 00:30:34,040
discussing the situation
498
00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:38,211
because the inmates were very upset
499
00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:40,839
and things were happening here
500
00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:43,591
and there was great concern.
501
00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:48,012
It was a time bomb ready to blow,
and we live with it
502
00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:51,724
every day in my house
and every day I say goodbye to my dad.
503
00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:54,310
And I knew it might be the last day
I saw him.
504
00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:57,981
It was open conversation.
505
00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:02,402
Things were getting worse,
506
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,779
and so they had a meeting
with the administration
507
00:31:05,446 --> 00:31:08,324
in the administration,
essentially dismissed their concerns
508
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:11,202
and said everybody back to work.
509
00:31:11,828 --> 00:31:14,122
However, we think maybe it's a good idea
if you left
510
00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:17,500
your personal belongings at home
like wedding rings, wallets, et cetera.
511
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:21,045
So my father absolutely knew
that something was going on.
512
00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:24,841
I was having breakfast with him
and he was talking to me,
513
00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:26,467
and I knew he was nervous.
514
00:31:26,467 --> 00:31:29,971
When he said something's going to happen,
he said, I just don't know what or when,
515
00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:31,890
but I think I'll be OK.
516
00:31:36,477 --> 00:31:37,437
There was a fight
517
00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:40,648
in a yard on September eighth,
518
00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:43,902
and the guards promised
nothing would happen as a result of this
519
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,863
because they could feel the tension
building up.
520
00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,616
Then that night, they broke that promise.
521
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:54,495
They came and pulled them out of cells
and about three or four of them.
522
00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:56,456
And then.
523
00:31:58,499 --> 00:32:00,627
He was thought to embarrass
Barroso would have a glass.
524
00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:05,256
May have had or cans or whatever they may
had, and it was a disturbance that dear.
525
00:32:05,673 --> 00:32:10,386
So the inmates decided at that moment,
Man, this is a man we tied.
526
00:32:10,637 --> 00:32:12,138
I mean, they killed Josh Jackson.
527
00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:13,765
They did this throughout the years.
528
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:16,476
We tie, you know, and they they went off.
529
00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:29,197
I was in school that day.
530
00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,324
And the whistle
531
00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:34,327
from the prison just kept going,
and we could hear it.
532
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:37,705
We got calls from somebody from the prison
533
00:32:37,705 --> 00:32:40,249
saying that your dad, you know,
is definitely being held.
534
00:32:41,042 --> 00:32:43,044
You know, I was scared,
I was worried for my dad.
535
00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:47,340
I love my dad, but we didn't really
know what was going on.
536
00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:53,096
Understanding about what?
537
00:32:53,096 --> 00:32:57,225
This incident developing it added
in this declaration here will explain
538
00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:02,271
the reasons for the entire incident
that has erupted here at Attica
539
00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:06,901
is not a result of the dastardly
bushwhacking of the two prisoners.
540
00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:12,740
September eighth of 1970
11 of the unmitigated oppression wrought
541
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:16,536
by the racist administrative network
of this prison throughout the years.
542
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,207
We want the government to guarantee
that there will be no reprisals
543
00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:25,461
and we want all facets of the media
to articulate this.
544
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,048
We needed the media in there
because we needed
545
00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:31,342
to let the world know what was happening.
546
00:33:32,468 --> 00:33:36,472
We know this is one of the turning points
547
00:33:36,472 --> 00:33:38,433
in the whole thing.
548
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,645
We would like the press to come in,
549
00:33:43,312 --> 00:33:45,648
including the television cameras
550
00:33:48,234 --> 00:33:51,112
that transformed everything.
551
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:56,909
Because now
the prisoners had a worldwide audience.
552
00:33:59,287 --> 00:34:01,706
Whatever happens here at Attica
State Prison,
553
00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:07,086
I'm not sure how they heard
that there was a black journalist outside
554
00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:10,506
that they wanted me to be
555
00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:13,634
on the group that went in with us.
556
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:16,637
Suddenly, I'm on in this group
557
00:34:17,346 --> 00:34:20,516
going into the prison with this.
558
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,519
Head of the prison system.
559
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,564
I was surprised
that they had asked for me.
560
00:34:27,648 --> 00:34:31,402
But I guess
because of the fact that they had watched
561
00:34:31,944 --> 00:34:35,490
the news, my reports were factual
562
00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:39,952
and I was not taking anybody's side
563
00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:42,371
in the whole thing.
564
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,625
We went in
565
00:34:45,958 --> 00:34:50,004
and it was completely surreal,
566
00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:54,425
like, you're walking down a tunnel
and suddenly
567
00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:57,178
you walk into this huge yard
568
00:34:57,553 --> 00:35:02,767
where there are men everywhere
like thousands of men.
569
00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:05,645
And I remember
570
00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:08,397
some people yelling, Hey, J.J..
571
00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:11,400
I said hello to people
572
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,237
that I knew from Bed-Stuy and Harlem,
573
00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:18,574
and they were in Attica.
574
00:35:21,035 --> 00:35:23,579
Once inside,
we were brought along through the yard
575
00:35:23,579 --> 00:35:27,125
with a member of the inmate security force
constantly at our side.
576
00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:30,336
We were allowed to go
where they told us to go.
577
00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:32,463
We were all allowed to film.
578
00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:34,590
Only one of the prisoners told us
we could.
579
00:35:35,174 --> 00:35:38,261
Inmates faces were covered
so as to keep their identities secret.
580
00:35:39,178 --> 00:35:42,765
Our first concern on entering was to learn
how the hostages
581
00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:45,810
were going to see the hostages, but
582
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:48,271
I was able to ask.
583
00:35:49,313 --> 00:35:52,233
one question before I was moved
584
00:35:52,692 --> 00:35:56,237
to the negotiation table to read it,
all right.
585
00:35:56,362 --> 00:35:59,532
Yes, I have so far,
but very no, no complaints, but
586
00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:02,743
no problem solver so far and treat it
very good.
587
00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:06,664
Shortly thereafter, one of the inmates,
588
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,168
a young man by the name of l.D.
589
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:12,753
Barclay, started to read
590
00:36:13,796 --> 00:36:16,549
the demands of the entire prison
population.
591
00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:22,138
That means each and every one of us here
have set forth to change forever.
592
00:36:22,388 --> 00:36:25,433
The ruthless brutalization and disregard
for the lives
593
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,394
of the prisoners here
and throughout the United States.
594
00:36:28,769 --> 00:36:31,105
He was saying,
What we all want you to scream.
595
00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:35,234
But he was explaining it
so that everybody could understand
596
00:36:35,651 --> 00:36:38,237
so that when you were sitting
in your living room,
597
00:36:38,237 --> 00:36:40,489
you could say, Well, the guy's a criminal.
598
00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:41,657
Yeah, but.
599
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,326
He is saying something that's.
600
00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:43,743
That's
601
00:36:45,828 --> 00:36:47,455
that I understand that.
602
00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:50,458
How could we do that, you know,
he was waking up America.
603
00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:53,711
And he was the best one to do it.
604
00:36:53,711 --> 00:36:55,671
We are men.
605
00:36:55,671 --> 00:36:59,842
We are not beasts and we do not intend
to be beaten or driven effort.
606
00:37:00,051 --> 00:37:02,929
Audi is only going to be here for 90 days,
607
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:06,390
he'll be getting out, but he wanted to
the outside world and noted.
608
00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:10,937
The prison is inhumane.
609
00:37:10,937 --> 00:37:13,481
What has happened here is but the sound of
610
00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:16,150
for the fury of those who are oppressed,
611
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:19,362
we will not compromise on any terms
612
00:37:19,612 --> 00:37:22,698
except those terms
that are agreeable to us.
613
00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:24,784
We call.
614
00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,999
You felt it.
615
00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:35,211
And at that moment,
616
00:37:35,211 --> 00:37:37,964
I heard it and I seen it.
617
00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:41,425
And that reaffirmed
618
00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:44,387
why we was data, why I was there.
619
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,518
It was a feeling that this was big.
620
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,479
This was huge.
621
00:37:56,857 --> 00:38:00,361
Corrections Commissioner Oswald maintained
622
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,155
that he had done
623
00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,993
quite a bit of the things
624
00:38:06,993 --> 00:38:09,996
that the inmates had requested.
625
00:38:10,496 --> 00:38:11,580
I've,
626
00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:14,250
uh, complied
627
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:18,421
with the several things
I said I would do as my part.
628
00:38:18,963 --> 00:38:22,633
I brought the press and other media
629
00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:25,845
in here to listen as we talk.
630
00:38:26,095 --> 00:38:29,849
And now my question is I asked earlier,
631
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,312
when will you release the hostages?
632
00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:37,565
Now the table was turned
633
00:38:38,357 --> 00:38:41,110
and we had the power,
634
00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:43,154
so when we asked him for something,
635
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:46,157
he had to give it to us
because he had no choice.
636
00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:49,243
We wanted some assurance that we weren't
637
00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:51,537
going to be retaliated against.
638
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,749
So we ask Herman Schwartz
639
00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:56,959
to go to District Court in New York.
640
00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:01,130
And I get an injunction
641
00:39:01,756 --> 00:39:05,426
that would assure us
that we wouldn't be retaliated against.
642
00:39:05,968 --> 00:39:08,179
I sat down and wrote an injunction.
643
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:13,267
Which barred any kind of retaliation.
644
00:39:14,602 --> 00:39:16,645
It had been agreed that there would be
645
00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:18,647
another meeting the next morning.
646
00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,152
The time is now ten minutes late.
647
00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:26,447
We've been shooting this tape
for approximately two hours.
648
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:30,117
We started about 6:00 p.m..
649
00:39:30,576 --> 00:39:32,620
Light is almost gone now
650
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:35,998
we can see lights in cell block D.
651
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:46,217
Oh. The guy next to me
652
00:39:46,759 --> 00:39:49,053
was named Raymond Wei.
653
00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:53,140
You open up in the air.
654
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:56,310
Gardner still remain way, your way,
655
00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:59,355
your smear
656
00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:02,775
ain't been out at the dog and 22 years.
657
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:06,779
And we was talking
658
00:40:06,779 --> 00:40:09,031
singing songs, it was
it was a festive night.
659
00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:11,033
I loved it. I loved it.
660
00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:14,662
Then I was out in the nighttime
looking at the stars.
661
00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:17,331
I was drunk.
I was happy. I was. I liked it.
662
00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:20,376
Yeah, I was having a good time
and it was good.
663
00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:22,461
I feel free.
664
00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:26,090
You know, I mean, prison was dead,
but you know, I felt free.
665
00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:28,342
And you had to hear
666
00:40:29,343 --> 00:40:31,720
the doors not locking.
667
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,433
And if and if it was a good feeling
that that first night
668
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,894
when it got dark
669
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:41,564
and everybody was talking
about finding somewhere to sleep with,
670
00:40:41,605 --> 00:40:44,692
you know, don't sleep alone
and you know, that type of thing.
671
00:40:44,984 --> 00:40:47,820
There's a lot of psychopaths
and sociopaths
672
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,365
in those facilities, so you know you
had to protect yourself from
673
00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:54,994
from your peers, even.
674
00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:04,879
Well,
I knew this was going to last forever.
675
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,046
I knew they would.
676
00:41:06,046 --> 00:41:09,175
It would be an end this.
677
00:41:09,175 --> 00:41:10,801
But just because he was incarcerated
678
00:41:10,801 --> 00:41:12,887
didn't mean that we were less than human.
679
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:18,601
Somebody had to take the stand.
680
00:41:27,776 --> 00:41:28,444
At dawn,
681
00:41:28,444 --> 00:41:32,990
a smoke from yesterday's fires lingered
over prison walls, a federal injunction
682
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:37,661
was obtained prohibiting physical reprisal
against those involved in the riot.
683
00:41:39,371 --> 00:41:41,749
When I brought in the injunction,
684
00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:46,378
we talked to the prisoners
at opposite ends
685
00:41:46,629 --> 00:41:49,381
of a rather long tunnel.
686
00:41:50,424 --> 00:41:52,843
They said where where the administrators.
687
00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:54,678
I don't know.
688
00:41:54,678 --> 00:41:56,972
I'm here about know where they are.
689
00:41:56,972 --> 00:41:59,767
Finally, at 10:00, Oswald
690
00:41:59,767 --> 00:42:02,102
and the others show up.
691
00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:05,397
The prisoners were furious.
692
00:42:05,397 --> 00:42:09,527
They had been,
as they would put it, dissed.
693
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:12,780
They're supposed
to meet at seven or 8:00 and.
694
00:42:14,031 --> 00:42:16,116
It was very clear
695
00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:19,286
the air was very tense.
696
00:42:19,703 --> 00:42:22,957
You had the table spread out.
697
00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:26,544
We were on one side.
698
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,796
The inmates were on the other.
699
00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:32,049
And I gave the document
700
00:42:32,049 --> 00:42:34,426
that the judge had signed this.
701
00:42:35,678 --> 00:42:36,887
It's nothing.
702
00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,765
I'm sorry, I spent hours of
703
00:42:40,182 --> 00:42:42,810
of and got no sleep and trouble
704
00:42:43,477 --> 00:42:47,439
declaring that a federal judge
has signed off on an injunction
705
00:42:47,731 --> 00:42:51,527
saying that there would be no reprisals,
anything that can.
706
00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:54,905
Waving that at us
707
00:42:54,905 --> 00:42:57,324
and they're free to do so was the same.
708
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,244
There was no judicial seal on it.
709
00:43:00,244 --> 00:43:03,914
I have received injunctions
from the Southern District,
710
00:43:04,164 --> 00:43:06,083
which are judicial fields.
711
00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:08,085
This paper is an empty gesture.
712
00:43:08,168 --> 00:43:09,169
Jerry, did you?
713
00:43:09,169 --> 00:43:10,838
That was his nickname.
714
00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:15,342
Jerry Rosenberg was a hell of a guy
and he was well respected.
715
00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:16,552
He had a law degree.
716
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:19,930
Any new law he would help
717
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,224
all the inmates,
she was a jailhouse lawyer.
718
00:43:23,642 --> 00:43:26,520
You can take this piece of paper
and throw it away
719
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:28,230
because this is no protection.
720
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:31,275
Geoffrey Rosenberg God bless him, sir.
721
00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:34,445
Charging scientists.
722
00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:37,740
There's
no there's no lost in district court
723
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:41,910
stamp on this document
saying that, you know what?
724
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:45,331
Nothing will happen to worse and torn up.
725
00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:48,834
You know, we know you mean well,
726
00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:51,211
but don't come with the bullshit here.
727
00:43:52,004 --> 00:43:54,715
We want a judicial seal and a continuing
728
00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:58,093
restraining order
until the litigation is finally ended
729
00:43:58,385 --> 00:44:01,889
without any reprisal or brutality
against any inmate
730
00:44:02,097 --> 00:44:04,141
of this institution.
731
00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:15,277
Well, lawyers know
732
00:44:15,277 --> 00:44:18,113
that seals don't mean anything
733
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:23,118
so long as the signature is there.
734
00:44:23,118 --> 00:44:26,497
I could have kicked
Jerry's ass, and I should have
735
00:44:27,706 --> 00:44:28,582
read because
736
00:44:28,582 --> 00:44:31,377
he he just started to grandstand.
737
00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:34,463
You know, he was caught up in the moment.
738
00:44:36,382 --> 00:44:38,425
Good, smart as he is
739
00:44:38,425 --> 00:44:42,179
and a shrewd as he is, he over reacted.
740
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,391
And we lost an opportunity there.
741
00:44:45,391 --> 00:44:48,769
And then somebody said, let's hold them.
742
00:44:49,144 --> 00:44:51,146
Let's add to the hostage Cal.
743
00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:57,653
I speak everybody here,
744
00:44:57,653 --> 00:44:59,988
I want to to you as well.
745
00:44:59,988 --> 00:45:02,074
When you come in here covering the game,
746
00:45:02,908 --> 00:45:07,705
I know you don't give a fuck about no max
that they somehow give a fuck about you.
747
00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:10,165
Nothing I know.
748
00:45:10,165 --> 00:45:12,751
Nothing, you know?
749
00:45:12,751 --> 00:45:14,962
And I'm gonna to leave you.
750
00:45:14,962 --> 00:45:17,631
It seems to me that you are
751
00:45:18,924 --> 00:45:22,302
saying to me that you,
you are an artist at pretty rare occasion.
752
00:45:23,137 --> 00:45:25,597
I bear witness
to your evil deeds, Mr. Art.
753
00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:28,058
Now I repeat,
754
00:45:28,058 --> 00:45:31,478
as I told you yesterday,
we are being lenient with you.
755
00:45:32,438 --> 00:45:34,022
We are negotiating.
756
00:45:34,022 --> 00:45:36,483
We are talking. We shouldn't be.
757
00:45:36,984 --> 00:45:38,610
We should be demanding.
758
00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:39,611
So why?
759
00:45:39,611 --> 00:45:43,282
Because we have 35 lives, not hostages.
760
00:45:43,949 --> 00:45:44,950
And I repeat Mr.
761
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:49,037
Oswald, a moment's
hesitation would cause you delay.
762
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,915
The meeting in the yard got very tense
763
00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:56,962
because Oswald would talk to you
from one side of the mouth.
764
00:45:57,254 --> 00:45:59,631
And then when he left the yard
and go outside,
765
00:45:59,631 --> 00:46:02,050
he talks from the other side of the mouth
766
00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,137
of the inmates made any demands
that, you know, there are all kinds
767
00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:08,849
of demands, you know, for the change
of change in the whole world.
768
00:46:08,974 --> 00:46:12,644
But what he forgot
was that he was being seen on TV.
769
00:46:13,729 --> 00:46:15,522
Come on, how could you do that?
770
00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:18,108
We watch you
771
00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:22,780
and you stated it yesterday on the news
media, in a huff, in a panic, you said.
772
00:46:22,905 --> 00:46:24,490
Well, I don't know what they want.
773
00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:26,617
They want the world and what you like.
774
00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:27,826
You walk away from reporters.
775
00:46:27,826 --> 00:46:29,912
Would you reply that the sidewalk?
776
00:46:29,912 --> 00:46:32,247
Yes, I did say that.
777
00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:33,665
Let him finish.
778
00:46:33,665 --> 00:46:34,708
I don't say that.
779
00:46:34,708 --> 00:46:37,294
Can't bullshit a bullshitter.
780
00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:38,712
You can't do that.
781
00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:41,173
The first time he came in, I'm going to do
782
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:43,300
this, a b, c, d e f g
783
00:46:44,426 --> 00:46:46,845
and people said, All right,
going back to business, get it done,
784
00:46:47,262 --> 00:46:49,598
came back in and started talking
and you know,
785
00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:54,186
it was going around about hearing around
about then this scenario.
786
00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:56,271
Not that the hostages go.
787
00:46:56,772 --> 00:46:59,066
But you be hostage,
788
00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:01,109
whatever, you know, power
789
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:02,861
and water.
790
00:47:02,861 --> 00:47:03,821
We haven't got that.
791
00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,949
We're going to get Mr. Harper for himself.
792
00:47:07,157 --> 00:47:08,450
So we got to.
793
00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:13,413
We're not letting him out of here
and keeping him in Austin.
794
00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:16,041
We all we shut that down.
795
00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:17,835
We're not going to be like them.
796
00:47:17,835 --> 00:47:19,002
We're not going to break our word.
797
00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:22,005
And it says, well, inmates
would be more honorable than them.
798
00:47:22,005 --> 00:47:25,884
Yes, we were because we gave him my word
nothing would happen to him.
799
00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:35,936
Everybody starts
800
00:47:35,936 --> 00:47:38,522
screaming at him, go, let him go.
801
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:40,440
Don't.
802
00:47:45,487 --> 00:47:46,989
He got out of Dodge.
803
00:47:46,989 --> 00:47:49,324
He never came back.
804
00:47:53,328 --> 00:47:54,288
In New York State,
805
00:47:54,288 --> 00:47:58,667
some 500 inmates of the Attica maximum
security prison are still in revolt.
806
00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:02,087
Authorities tried unsuccessfully
to reach a settlement with the prisoners
807
00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:06,383
over demands for reforms and to obtain
release of more than 30 hostages.
808
00:48:06,758 --> 00:48:10,429
We have a report on what's been happening
at Attica from ABC's John Johnson.
809
00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,473
Fires were still burning at Attica
State Prison,
810
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:16,768
despite a small army of police and state
troopers.
811
00:48:16,935 --> 00:48:19,563
The prisoners continue to call the shots
at Attica.
812
00:48:20,272 --> 00:48:22,691
Commissioner Oswald announced that
813
00:48:22,691 --> 00:48:25,652
prison officials
were attempting to bring to the prison
814
00:48:25,819 --> 00:48:30,616
those people requested by the prisoners
in areas under where the group
815
00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:33,577
was basically people
816
00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:38,123
whom they knew people like Tom Wicker,
817
00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:40,876
who had written a column about prisoners.
818
00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:44,087
Senator John Dunn was chairman
819
00:48:44,087 --> 00:48:46,673
of the Prisons Committee and sympathetic.
820
00:48:47,299 --> 00:48:49,259
He was asked to come.
821
00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:52,638
Bill Kunstler, a lawyer for the Chicago
822
00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:55,223
seven, asked him to come in
823
00:48:55,974 --> 00:49:00,437
and Clarence Jones,
publisher of the Amsterdam News.
824
00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:06,109
Have a driver was
825
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:09,571
driving me up,
the ampersand is the driver, says Boss,
826
00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:12,074
they're calling your name on the radio,
so what you mean?
827
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,285
Called Rockefeller,
828
00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:18,080
and lo and behold,
the governor picked up the phone.
829
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,166
He said, thank you so much.
830
00:49:21,166 --> 00:49:23,585
Mr Jones, we have a major situation.
831
00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:26,588
A number of the inmates
832
00:49:26,588 --> 00:49:28,674
have called your name.
833
00:49:30,717 --> 00:49:32,719
We'll have a car and pick you up.
834
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,097
And taking him to a private airport.
835
00:49:37,057 --> 00:49:38,183
We're a state private
836
00:49:38,183 --> 00:49:40,352
plane is waiting for you.
837
00:49:42,062 --> 00:49:44,106
And there are more.
838
00:49:44,606 --> 00:49:46,984
Atika, you be part of the.
839
00:49:48,318 --> 00:49:50,070
Observers committee.
840
00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:54,533
My wife and I were off on vacation
at the time
841
00:49:54,908 --> 00:49:55,951
and we got a call
842
00:49:55,951 --> 00:49:59,871
that they had asked me to come there,
and I felt that with my prior experience
843
00:49:59,871 --> 00:50:03,750
and my responsibilities as a chairman
of the prison committee ought to be there.
844
00:50:06,086 --> 00:50:07,838
I was optimistic.
845
00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:08,630
I thought.
846
00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:10,424
Give it a shot.
847
00:50:11,091 --> 00:50:13,844
For the rebel prisoners of Attica,
the encouraging appearance,
848
00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:15,762
the people, they consider friends.
849
00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:19,307
A 30 man mediation committee,
including a congressman for newsmen
850
00:50:19,766 --> 00:50:22,310
and most importantly, lawyer
William Kunstler.
851
00:50:22,644 --> 00:50:24,980
Have you heard anything from Governor
Rockefeller's office?
852
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:28,191
I mean, has he put any time
limit on these negotiations?
853
00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:31,486
No, but I understand that
there is no present
854
00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:35,115
plan to use force in this prison,
and I hope that continues.
855
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,994
I just hope that they realize
that this is a unique situation
856
00:50:38,994 --> 00:50:43,081
and that it may take time
and that if everyone has a good faith,
857
00:50:43,331 --> 00:50:45,167
something will work out.
858
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:49,713
It was scary, the tension was tremendous.
859
00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:53,550
Eager to cut the air with a knife,
it was terrifying.
860
00:50:53,925 --> 00:50:56,970
I remember going into the yard
and saying to Mel, Where was I?
861
00:50:57,179 --> 00:50:58,138
Do you have a cigaret?
862
00:50:58,138 --> 00:50:58,555
And he said,
863
00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:01,850
You have one on you, one in your hand,
one in your mouth and one in your.
864
00:51:03,185 --> 00:51:04,686
I was scared.
865
00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:07,856
When you see a tower
with people with rifles,
866
00:51:09,232 --> 00:51:11,109
I kept thinking
867
00:51:11,526 --> 00:51:14,071
we should stay close to Tom Wicker
and Herman Badillo
868
00:51:14,071 --> 00:51:16,615
because they would be the least likely
to be shot.
869
00:51:19,284 --> 00:51:20,702
Frank Big Black
870
00:51:20,702 --> 00:51:24,623
Smith was the overall security leader.
871
00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:27,751
He took that job on himself already.
872
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,087
He was the guy.
873
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:32,255
Here's the big man.
874
00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:34,925
I mean, this is big.
875
00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:36,760
That was responsible to make sure
876
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,763
that the observers that came in.
877
00:51:41,348 --> 00:51:43,975
They the same way
they can't manage the same way
878
00:51:43,975 --> 00:51:47,562
they did
that, you know, no harm come to them.
879
00:51:48,021 --> 00:51:51,149
He said, Well,
we've got to have a security force.
880
00:51:51,858 --> 00:51:54,694
So we were looking for volunteers.
881
00:51:54,694 --> 00:51:55,654
You, you.
882
00:51:56,613 --> 00:51:58,698
Along the way for her,
883
00:51:58,698 --> 00:52:03,411
can't be all black as we need
black guys, white guys and Puerto Ricans.
884
00:52:06,706 --> 00:52:09,501
We would line up and create a corridor,
885
00:52:10,085 --> 00:52:13,922
and they would walk down the middle
of the corridor with us being a barrier
886
00:52:13,922 --> 00:52:17,717
between general population
and the negotiators.
887
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:21,763
So we would just
stand shoulder to shoulder and give them
888
00:52:21,763 --> 00:52:24,099
that safe space to walk through.
889
00:52:28,395 --> 00:52:29,813
We begin to talk with them
890
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:34,776
about what they wanted,
and they had their their
891
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:38,780
their list of things that they wanted
already written.
892
00:52:39,447 --> 00:52:42,033
You know, everybody wanted a voice.
893
00:52:42,033 --> 00:52:42,742
Good, bad.
894
00:52:42,742 --> 00:52:47,080
And it worked out,
so nothing went easy, but it went.
895
00:52:47,581 --> 00:52:53,003
We got to a point where we had
what we thought might be possible.
896
00:52:53,461 --> 00:52:55,755
Their demands were, you know,
897
00:52:56,214 --> 00:52:59,342
reasonable demands
about living conditions.
898
00:52:59,718 --> 00:53:02,179
They wanted medical care.
899
00:53:04,222 --> 00:53:06,516
Decent food,
900
00:53:07,642 --> 00:53:09,936
fair disciplinary hearings.
901
00:53:13,106 --> 00:53:14,524
Basically,
902
00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:18,486
they wanted to be treated
like human beings,
903
00:53:19,404 --> 00:53:22,908
prisoners late last night met
with a civilian committee
904
00:53:22,908 --> 00:53:26,244
in an attempt to clarify demands
ranging from better prison
905
00:53:26,244 --> 00:53:28,997
life conditions
to more religious and political freedom.
906
00:53:29,623 --> 00:53:32,000
I injected into the two demands
907
00:53:32,751 --> 00:53:36,254
for some people
to go to non imperialistic country.
908
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,965
You have to be frightened flight out.
909
00:53:39,299 --> 00:53:41,009
We thought Cuba
was going to come and get us.
910
00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:45,889
You ship
troops to Vietnam to stop the men.
911
00:53:45,889 --> 00:53:48,892
Go to all these five countries
to press the button.
912
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,937
You can bet why these helicopters
in air and ship
913
00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:54,314
on this country.
914
00:53:55,565 --> 00:53:57,525
We didn't seeing people snatch airplanes
915
00:53:57,525 --> 00:54:01,029
and all like dead and go to Cuba
and Algiers and all other places.
916
00:54:01,321 --> 00:54:03,031
Why not get out of jail?
917
00:54:03,031 --> 00:54:06,201
An Air France
jet was hijacked by Palestinian girls.
918
00:54:06,243 --> 00:54:09,913
17 year old girl hijacked a twb jetliner
919
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,666
I have for years
and on a 25 to life sentence.
920
00:54:12,666 --> 00:54:15,043
Why not get out of jail?
921
00:54:15,043 --> 00:54:16,127
Why not?
922
00:54:17,379 --> 00:54:18,672
We all do that.
923
00:54:18,672 --> 00:54:20,090
I wasn't going to happen.
924
00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:22,342
We weren't going to go to
925
00:54:22,425 --> 00:54:23,927
Algeria on the plane.
926
00:54:23,927 --> 00:54:26,763
I knew that everybody
in the back of their mind knew that.
927
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,099
But we need it, obviously.
928
00:54:31,601 --> 00:54:32,560
We want the federal
929
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,648
judiciary to guarantee complete amnesty
to each and every one of us
930
00:54:36,856 --> 00:54:42,028
has taken part in the struggle
here at Attica to ensure that this amnesty
931
00:54:42,028 --> 00:54:47,200
will not be just a groping in the win, but
a reality for each and every one of us.
932
00:54:48,118 --> 00:54:51,705
They were not looking to be relieved
of the prison sentences
933
00:54:51,705 --> 00:54:55,166
to which they have been sent by the courts
after being convicted.
934
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:58,586
They were looking to be freed from any
935
00:54:58,586 --> 00:55:00,964
prosecution or any penalties
936
00:55:01,381 --> 00:55:03,425
for their engaging in the riot.
937
00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:09,347
Besides the normal beatings
and everything else
938
00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:13,435
they're going to do to us, which is,
you know, automatic.
939
00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:18,023
We knew that they could also take us
and bring us to court and,
940
00:55:18,565 --> 00:55:23,778
you know, and turn us into the monster
inmates who took over the prison.
941
00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:27,198
We are not advocating violence.
942
00:55:28,241 --> 00:55:30,285
We all want to live.
943
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,373
All right.
944
00:55:35,373 --> 00:55:37,375
If you get one on dog.
945
00:55:39,586 --> 00:55:42,505
You're treating them
better than we have been treated
946
00:55:43,214 --> 00:55:43,965
the last.
947
00:55:47,761 --> 00:55:49,304
They were fiercely
948
00:55:49,304 --> 00:55:53,600
trying to convince prison authorities
that they didn't cease
949
00:55:53,725 --> 00:55:57,187
being a human
being merely by the fact that they were
950
00:55:58,104 --> 00:56:00,482
incarcerated because they had broken.
951
00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:04,944
A law society,
and that's a profound thing.
952
00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:08,656
I am somebody.
953
00:56:08,656 --> 00:56:10,784
I'm not a thing.
954
00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:14,371
You can't treat me like a dog.
955
00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:16,664
I may be a prisoner, but I have dignity.
956
00:56:18,124 --> 00:56:20,126
And that's what they insisted.
957
00:56:21,586 --> 00:56:23,338
I'm getting the.
958
00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:27,509
Power structure of Africa to recognize.
959
00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:31,638
That they continue to be.
960
00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:33,014
Somebody.
961
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,225
All of you have seen
962
00:56:35,308 --> 00:56:38,478
the observers,
they all were listening to us.
963
00:56:38,895 --> 00:56:41,689
I feel that they were supporting us.
964
00:56:43,066 --> 00:56:43,817
We see.
965
00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:45,985
And that meant a lot to us.
966
00:56:48,071 --> 00:56:49,364
This is our situation.
967
00:56:49,364 --> 00:56:51,825
Please listen to us.
And that's what they were doing.
968
00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:53,118
They were listening.
969
00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:55,495
It felt like they were somebody
that believed in us.
970
00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:57,247
It felt that way.
971
00:56:57,247 --> 00:57:00,166
If somebody believe that you know,
you did have some rights,
972
00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:02,502
even though you were a convicted felon
or whatever.
973
00:57:04,546 --> 00:57:06,005
Would we able to get
974
00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:09,426
a better mailing
privileges, better medical privileges?
975
00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:15,473
We tried to nail it down to that,
which was realistic and possible over
976
00:57:15,515 --> 00:57:18,184
distinguished from a plane waiting for us
977
00:57:18,768 --> 00:57:21,813
outside the cellblock, flying us to Cuba.
978
00:57:22,856 --> 00:57:25,775
That's what it was like it was
it was realism
979
00:57:26,276 --> 00:57:29,654
from fantasy.
980
00:57:29,863 --> 00:57:33,450
We want to be treated as human beings,
981
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:36,369
we will be treated as human beings.
982
00:57:36,953 --> 00:57:39,372
Yeah, we have come to the conclusion.
983
00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:43,209
That's the study.
984
00:57:44,627 --> 00:57:48,006
After much suffering.
985
00:57:48,006 --> 00:57:51,176
After much consideration.
986
00:57:51,176 --> 00:57:53,970
But if we cannot move
987
00:57:54,179 --> 00:57:55,263
people.
988
00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:58,766
We will at least try.
989
00:57:58,766 --> 00:58:01,060
Today, let me.
990
00:58:04,189 --> 00:58:06,274
That statement was sounded
991
00:58:07,734 --> 00:58:09,152
everywhere.
992
00:58:14,073 --> 00:58:14,908
In that yard,
993
00:58:14,908 --> 00:58:18,870
when he said that a roar went up
like no other.
994
00:58:19,787 --> 00:58:22,665
This was this day, and I saw that
995
00:58:23,416 --> 00:58:26,628
I really none of us
were going to be observers,
996
00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:31,382
we were going to be mediators ,
whether we wanted to be mediators or not,
997
00:58:31,382 --> 00:58:34,093
whether we were called up to be mediators.
998
00:58:35,094 --> 00:58:39,599
This prison uprising had to be mediated.
999
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,769
Otherwise it was going to end in disaster.
1000
00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:47,106
If you people do not understand.
1001
00:58:48,107 --> 00:58:50,235
If you people do not pick what?
1002
00:58:51,736 --> 00:58:53,988
If you people can not make the commitment
1003
00:58:53,988 --> 00:58:56,449
that we have made here.
1004
00:58:57,992 --> 00:58:59,827
We all did.
1005
00:59:00,161 --> 00:59:01,079
All right.
1006
00:59:01,246 --> 00:59:02,956
We'll take you all
1007
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,833
to stand with us.
1008
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,255
Not necessarily.
1009
00:59:10,463 --> 00:59:13,299
I know you want to
1010
00:59:13,299 --> 00:59:16,177
hey, hey, before.
1011
00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:43,037
Things were growing on the outside,
1012
00:59:44,163 --> 00:59:45,456
don't take.
1013
00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:50,461
There were more journalists.
1014
00:59:50,461 --> 00:59:53,298
There were more police.
1015
00:59:53,298 --> 00:59:55,592
And it was just getting bigger
1016
00:59:55,883 --> 00:59:58,344
and bigger and bigger.
1017
01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:02,432
People are coming night and day
1018
01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:05,768
vans with reporters and police
1019
01:00:05,768 --> 01:00:09,397
and things are building up.
1020
01:00:10,982 --> 01:00:12,817
Among those keeping a vigil outside
1021
01:00:12,817 --> 01:00:16,613
the prison walls, the families
of some of the 38 men held hostage.
1022
01:00:16,779 --> 01:00:19,782
I was just home watching the TV.
1023
01:00:20,074 --> 01:00:22,994
I just kept looking for my husband.
1024
01:00:23,411 --> 01:00:26,497
Maybe he'd be killed or brutalized
in some way
1025
01:00:26,748 --> 01:00:30,251
because the inmates at that time
had the power there, you know,
1026
01:00:30,877 --> 01:00:33,588
and if they didn't like somebody
who who knew
1027
01:00:33,588 --> 01:00:37,008
what you were scared to death that,
you know,
1028
01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:40,386
they'd just kill him or something
and they didn't get their way.
1029
01:00:42,138 --> 01:00:44,891
Families of the 31 hostages wait for word
1030
01:00:44,891 --> 01:00:47,560
as part of the prison remains
in control of the inmate.
1031
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:55,943
They were upset.
1032
01:00:55,943 --> 01:00:58,029
They were angry and they were scared
1033
01:00:58,655 --> 01:01:03,117
standing out there while their loved ones
are being held hostage
1034
01:01:04,118 --> 01:01:07,872
and they are waiting
for any scrap of information
1035
01:01:09,415 --> 01:01:12,919
to hear something.
1036
01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:15,338
And many of those families
1037
01:01:15,338 --> 01:01:19,050
stood vigil day and night out there.
1038
01:01:20,593 --> 01:01:22,428
A bunch of people crying,
1039
01:01:22,428 --> 01:01:25,306
the wives and brothers and fathers
1040
01:01:25,765 --> 01:01:28,518
freaking out to his panic.
1041
01:01:29,268 --> 01:01:32,939
People are afraid to talk
in the parking lot because they thought
1042
01:01:32,939 --> 01:01:38,361
that any reporters or anybody, even
they did it on the privacy
1043
01:01:38,653 --> 01:01:41,864
because they didn't want the relatives
targeted, singled out
1044
01:01:41,864 --> 01:01:43,866
by the inmates.
1045
01:01:54,711 --> 01:01:56,379
I had sympathy for them.
1046
01:01:56,379 --> 01:02:00,883
They were elsewhere, you're going to get
a job if you lived in that
1047
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:04,512
area and you had no
1048
01:02:05,263 --> 01:02:09,267
training and no understanding
1049
01:02:09,267 --> 01:02:12,395
of what it was like to grow up in
1050
01:02:13,479 --> 01:02:16,357
a poor black urban area.
1051
01:02:17,608 --> 01:02:20,778
You used these were aliens.
1052
01:02:20,778 --> 01:02:24,157
These were people from a different world
1053
01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:29,495
and your family members.
1054
01:02:29,662 --> 01:02:32,498
Maybe you're going to get killed
1055
01:02:32,498 --> 01:02:34,417
because of them.
1056
01:02:34,417 --> 01:02:36,753
Sure, you were.
1057
01:02:36,753 --> 01:02:38,963
Infuriated.
1058
01:02:40,131 --> 01:02:41,674
All these dogs up there with
1059
01:02:41,674 --> 01:02:43,885
all those rifles are trying to kill us.
1060
01:02:44,844 --> 01:02:48,598
Well, we ain't gonna quit the inmates
that we're giving microphones.
1061
01:02:48,598 --> 01:02:49,640
I'm on TV.
1062
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,893
I mean, the very upsetting.
1063
01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:54,812
They should have resolved it right away.
1064
01:02:54,812 --> 01:02:56,814
It just went on too far.
1065
01:02:56,814 --> 01:02:59,525
We all just wanted it to end.
1066
01:03:00,401 --> 01:03:04,405
What I what you hear over the radio
1067
01:03:05,072 --> 01:03:08,409
and the TV was and it's inspiring to me
1068
01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:11,954
because it seemed to
me that what I was hearing.
1069
01:03:12,997 --> 01:03:15,625
I didn't think
1070
01:03:16,459 --> 01:03:18,753
they were doing the right thing.
1071
01:03:18,753 --> 01:03:20,922
It just seemed sort of limp to me
1072
01:03:21,756 --> 01:03:24,592
and it was frustrating.
1073
01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:27,261
You'd hear stuff from people.
1074
01:03:27,261 --> 01:03:31,224
That's where it got a little scary too,
because you could see how the inmates
1075
01:03:31,224 --> 01:03:35,394
were considered like less than human
kind of like animals.
1076
01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:38,981
There was people saying,
You know, don't worry about your dad,
1077
01:03:39,232 --> 01:03:42,109
you know, they'll get theirs type thing.
1078
01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:45,071
And so that kind of made it
even more scary.
1079
01:03:45,112 --> 01:03:48,783
You realize how emotionally charged
the community is getting.
1080
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:51,744
The tensions got worse and worse. Worse.
1081
01:03:51,744 --> 01:03:53,830
Emotions got worse and worse and worse.
1082
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:04,799
Sadly,
1083
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:10,263
I think that the hope was stronger
than any doubt because after three days
1084
01:04:10,513 --> 01:04:13,474
Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
1085
01:04:14,058 --> 01:04:15,601
They had came in
1086
01:04:15,601 --> 01:04:19,063
we had like 30
demands and most of them what
1087
01:04:20,648 --> 01:04:22,024
possible,
1088
01:04:22,024 --> 01:04:24,610
and we will still be doing about it.
1089
01:04:25,236 --> 01:04:27,947
I've never seen anything like this.
1090
01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:30,241
The people in here are treated like dogs.
1091
01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:32,326
Not only the Black Lives Matter, white.
1092
01:04:33,035 --> 01:04:34,829
And we're going to get what we planned.
1093
01:04:34,829 --> 01:04:36,873
Are we going to die? Try.
1094
01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:40,459
But we thought that whatever happened,
1095
01:04:40,459 --> 01:04:43,796
we may maybe really walk away
with some improvement
1096
01:04:43,796 --> 01:04:45,256
in our lives.
1097
01:04:47,216 --> 01:04:49,844
Point was, is that whatever happened,
1098
01:04:50,386 --> 01:04:52,972
it just had to make a difference.
1099
01:04:53,264 --> 01:04:55,057
Change had to happen.
1100
01:04:55,057 --> 01:04:57,101
You had to embrace who.
1101
01:05:02,106 --> 01:05:02,773
There's a report
1102
01:05:02,773 --> 01:05:05,818
that prison officials
have yielded to most of the demands
1103
01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:08,946
by the rebelling inmates
of the Attica state prison in New York,
1104
01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:12,575
where more than 30 persons
have been held hostage for three days.
1105
01:05:13,826 --> 01:05:16,579
As you know, during this ordeal.
1106
01:05:16,579 --> 01:05:19,081
I have personally met with inmates
1107
01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:22,919
on several occasions
in areas under their control,
1108
01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:26,422
and they have demonstrated my commitment
1109
01:05:26,422 --> 01:05:28,841
to deal with the issues they have raised
1110
01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:32,136
by accepting 28
1111
01:05:32,136 --> 01:05:35,014
of the three major inmate proposals.
1112
01:05:35,765 --> 01:05:37,934
The second is like
any time of what's going to happen now.
1113
01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:40,895
Well, we hope negotiations will
1114
01:05:41,437 --> 01:05:44,398
start this afternoon and continue
until they reach a solution.
1115
01:05:44,732 --> 01:05:47,735
Huey Newton or Bobby Seale,
are they coming?
1116
01:05:47,735 --> 01:05:48,277
They were asked.
1117
01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:51,238
Or we hope
we understood that they were en route.
1118
01:05:51,447 --> 01:05:51,948
We had.
1119
01:05:53,115 --> 01:05:55,618
Kind of settled in on the demands
1120
01:05:56,285 --> 01:05:59,038
we had negotiated with Oswald
1121
01:05:59,038 --> 01:06:02,041
for his commitment to 28 of them.
1122
01:06:03,459 --> 01:06:07,964
The commissioner and the whole point of
Bobby SEALs coming there would be for him
1123
01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:11,509
to bless and support and urge the inmates
1124
01:06:11,509 --> 01:06:13,219
to accept them.
1125
01:06:18,391 --> 01:06:18,683
Bobby
1126
01:06:18,683 --> 01:06:21,686
Seale was our hero
because he was speaking out
1127
01:06:21,686 --> 01:06:23,896
about the brutality
that was happening in the prison system.
1128
01:06:25,022 --> 01:06:27,817
He was doing what we were trying to leave.
1129
01:06:27,817 --> 01:06:29,068
He was a panther.
1130
01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:30,903
The second in command.
1131
01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:33,864
I really thought it would help us out
of everything
1132
01:06:33,906 --> 01:06:36,325
we ever demand.
1133
01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:40,830
Bobby didn't stay long.
1134
01:06:40,830 --> 01:06:45,626
Bobby to stay long, came up to it and go
shake table was made a little speech.
1135
01:06:45,793 --> 01:06:47,837
You walk around your.
1136
01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:51,716
Well, we won't read about the jail.
1137
01:06:51,716 --> 01:06:54,135
A lot of times we're going back in time.
1138
01:06:54,176 --> 01:06:56,429
It was quite a letdown.
1139
01:06:56,429 --> 01:07:00,474
There is no remember me
at all, about three minutes.
1140
01:07:03,436 --> 01:07:05,187
At that point,
1141
01:07:05,187 --> 01:07:08,524
everybody's just sitting around
waiting for something to happen.
1142
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:15,865
But then Billy Quinn died.
1143
01:07:17,283 --> 01:07:19,785
And that transformed everything
1144
01:07:19,785 --> 01:07:22,747
the state prison in Attica,
New York, is at the crisis point.
1145
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,792
The death of one of the guards as harden
the position of prison officials
1146
01:07:27,126 --> 01:07:29,795
and there are
you don't get amnesty for a murder.
1147
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,548
I immediately knew.
1148
01:07:35,551 --> 01:07:36,927
That the
1149
01:07:38,095 --> 01:07:39,597
process of negotiations
1150
01:07:39,597 --> 01:07:42,058
just became far more difficult.
1151
01:07:43,142 --> 01:07:44,769
I knew that was.
1152
01:07:45,603 --> 01:07:48,814
I was the worst
possible thing that could happen.
1153
01:07:48,814 --> 01:07:51,525
How could they peacefully negotiate?
1154
01:07:53,527 --> 01:07:56,781
With inmates
who they held responsible for the death
1155
01:07:56,781 --> 01:07:57,740
of a guard.
1156
01:08:01,368 --> 01:08:04,914
Prior to his passing on.
1157
01:08:05,206 --> 01:08:08,292
There was a hope and even an expectation
1158
01:08:09,251 --> 01:08:11,796
because people were listening.
1159
01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,507
People were coming to understand
what we had been living through
1160
01:08:16,175 --> 01:08:18,427
and suffering as prisoners there.
1161
01:08:20,387 --> 01:08:22,431
We know that it was a new ball
1162
01:08:22,431 --> 01:08:25,518
game was depression.
1163
01:08:25,518 --> 01:08:26,894
And fear.
1164
01:08:27,895 --> 01:08:30,856
And, you know, anxiety and yeah,
1165
01:08:32,316 --> 01:08:34,026
everything you can imagine.
1166
01:08:34,026 --> 01:08:37,071
We had to drop a lot of issues
1167
01:08:37,071 --> 01:08:39,115
and focus on amnesty
1168
01:08:39,115 --> 01:08:41,826
as one as the main issue
1169
01:08:42,326 --> 01:08:44,995
because we want to be charged
1170
01:08:46,205 --> 01:08:47,331
with murder.
1171
01:08:47,331 --> 01:08:48,749
We said.
1172
01:08:49,125 --> 01:08:50,626
As a group.
1173
01:08:52,711 --> 01:08:54,088
That we was going
1174
01:08:54,088 --> 01:08:56,257
to stay in solidarity with anyone.
1175
01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:00,719
They could not give amnesty to everybody.
1176
01:09:01,053 --> 01:09:04,223
Then was not going to leave
anyone in the clutch in
1177
01:09:04,765 --> 01:09:08,060
to take a towing back on the bus
or speak to take this.
1178
01:09:08,227 --> 01:09:13,274
We acted together
that we understood that this was us,
1179
01:09:14,108 --> 01:09:16,861
that if we didn't stand together now,
we never would.
1180
01:09:16,861 --> 01:09:17,903
And it would.
1181
01:09:17,903 --> 01:09:20,990
We would live
like dogs for the rest of our lives.
1182
01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:25,661
We understood that.
1183
01:09:25,661 --> 01:09:30,541
Did I wish that we could somehow
back away, but not without amnesty?
1184
01:09:30,583 --> 01:09:32,585
How do the inmates feel
about the current situation?
1185
01:09:33,043 --> 01:09:34,295
I will.
1186
01:09:34,295 --> 01:09:36,964
A group of us were in with the inmates.
1187
01:09:36,964 --> 01:09:38,757
We met with them.
1188
01:09:38,757 --> 01:09:41,302
We had two and a half hours.
1189
01:09:41,302 --> 01:09:42,678
Some of the people are here,
1190
01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:46,182
but we really have nothing to say about
it, except they are firm in their demands.
1191
01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:47,766
And that's it.
1192
01:09:47,766 --> 01:09:48,350
In other words,
1193
01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:51,478
they're not going to let the hostages
go until they're granted total amnesty.
1194
01:09:51,645 --> 01:09:54,732
That was their last position.
1195
01:09:59,195 --> 01:10:01,906
The flag at half staff
for the injured guard who had died
1196
01:10:01,906 --> 01:10:03,991
the night before
set the mood this morning,
1197
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,994
it was clear that the troubles of this
troubled prison had grown worse.
1198
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:10,206
That Sunday,
you had that fall that came over
1199
01:10:10,789 --> 01:10:12,833
and it was a certain chill in the air.
1200
01:10:14,335 --> 01:10:15,836
Something didn't feel right.
1201
01:10:15,836 --> 01:10:17,796
It didn't feel right.
1202
01:10:17,796 --> 01:10:20,633
There are strong indications tonight
that police will be sent
1203
01:10:20,633 --> 01:10:24,220
into the cellblock in an attempt
to rescue the rest of the hostages
1204
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:25,346
by force.
1205
01:10:29,767 --> 01:10:31,560
Water was cut off.
1206
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,896
Food was getting scarce.
1207
01:10:33,896 --> 01:10:37,149
Patients were getting shot
and people were totally
1208
01:10:38,275 --> 01:10:40,361
wondering what is going to be the outcome
1209
01:10:41,195 --> 01:10:43,113
of the situation.
1210
01:10:50,454 --> 01:10:53,040
There was enormous pressure,
and I witnessed
1211
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,795
that as I took a breather
and went out to the public space
1212
01:10:58,963 --> 01:11:02,383
just outside the prison,
where a lot of correction
1213
01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:05,803
officers, their families, troopers
and other officials
1214
01:11:05,803 --> 01:11:07,721
were gathered together.
1215
01:11:09,014 --> 01:11:11,558
I mean,
the news was completely about that.
1216
01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:14,728
You know that the state troopers
and everybody were poised
1217
01:11:14,728 --> 01:11:17,648
on the top looking and
1218
01:11:17,648 --> 01:11:20,567
it was all about these rumors
1219
01:11:20,734 --> 01:11:25,030
that the prisoners were castrating
1220
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:29,535
the hostages,
that they were torturing them.
1221
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,621
And it's going to end in bloodshed.
1222
01:11:32,621 --> 01:11:37,042
And that was the storyline
that was terrifying, people.
1223
01:11:37,751 --> 01:11:39,253
Could you turn around
this way to the camera?
1224
01:11:39,253 --> 01:11:41,797
I think I did a few interviews
1225
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,258
and the people were
1226
01:11:44,258 --> 01:11:48,846
made it very clear
that these are bad people in there and
1227
01:11:49,930 --> 01:11:51,515
they shouldn't be doing this.
1228
01:11:51,515 --> 01:11:53,684
You know, they should be taken care of.
1229
01:11:53,767 --> 01:11:54,935
You know what I mean?
1230
01:11:54,935 --> 01:11:56,854
And hang them and
1231
01:11:56,895 --> 01:11:58,022
crazy stuff.
1232
01:11:58,022 --> 01:12:00,399
I mean, they're just really crazy.
1233
01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:03,277
It was a very hostile environment.
1234
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:04,486
And I just
1235
01:12:04,903 --> 01:12:07,197
don't I
1236
01:12:08,615 --> 01:12:11,076
don't think that Jaime,
I'll stick up your hand.
1237
01:12:11,952 --> 01:12:15,164
I'm a father of eight children
and my boy is the oldest,
1238
01:12:15,539 --> 01:12:18,667
and I wouldn't
want to see any one of them die.
1239
01:12:18,667 --> 01:12:20,669
Whatever he is going to die,
1240
01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:23,922
I want that whole damn thing
bound right to hell. OK.
1241
01:12:25,090 --> 01:12:28,594
And while we're talking went
on, the state police
1242
01:12:28,594 --> 01:12:32,139
kept reinforcing
at least 500 men in and out of the wall.
1243
01:12:32,556 --> 01:12:36,185
No indication that any of this force
will be used at the police already.
1244
01:12:37,478 --> 01:12:38,020
Well, any
1245
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:43,317
time you went in and out of the prison,
there was an army
1246
01:12:43,776 --> 01:12:49,865
and they were armed
with every conceivable type of weapon .
1247
01:12:49,865 --> 01:12:53,202
And it really looked like
1248
01:12:54,036 --> 01:12:56,455
they wanted to use those weapons.
1249
01:12:56,497 --> 01:12:59,625
You had the sense of their anger
1250
01:12:59,625 --> 01:13:01,668
and they've been held back and
1251
01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:07,174
they wanted to move.
1252
01:13:07,174 --> 01:13:10,844
They wanted to to to attack.
1253
01:13:15,307 --> 01:13:17,976
Yeah, they were very impatient,
1254
01:13:17,976 --> 01:13:19,520
very unhappy.
1255
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:25,025
They were all thrown into a situation
in which they are not prepared for
1256
01:13:25,526 --> 01:13:29,530
and about which
they had basically an animosity.
1257
01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:34,243
And I wish to
1258
01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:37,121
would any of the men that a lot us off
the roof?
1259
01:13:37,496 --> 01:13:42,292
Adobe that group is out of here because
if you get these shaky guy shooting off
1260
01:13:42,292 --> 01:13:46,422
or getting up, and all of a sudden
somebody is going to get excited
1261
01:13:46,839 --> 01:13:49,800
and then we're all going to say now,
this is not a joke.
1262
01:13:50,509 --> 01:13:51,218
This is not
1263
01:13:52,553 --> 01:13:54,847
some kind of a little tea party
we've got here.
1264
01:13:54,847 --> 01:13:57,433
And I just hope that the commissioner
1265
01:13:57,891 --> 01:14:00,561
and the other people in the committee
that they've gathered together
1266
01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:05,065
can come up with a solution
1267
01:14:05,065 --> 01:14:07,943
to solve these people's problems
1268
01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:08,902
and ours.
1269
01:14:09,153 --> 01:14:10,779
Thank you very much.
1270
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:17,786
Late Sunday afternoon,
1271
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:21,373
Commissioner Oswald
and the officials were prepared
1272
01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:25,127
and intended to retaking.
1273
01:14:25,752 --> 01:14:28,422
But I pressed Israel to agree
1274
01:14:29,214 --> 01:14:31,675
to give them until 7:00 on Monday
1275
01:14:31,675 --> 01:14:34,052
morning, by Sunday morning,
everything else had failed.
1276
01:14:35,471 --> 01:14:40,726
And so the the the final shot
1277
01:14:41,143 --> 01:14:43,937
was going to be
to try to get the Roc-A-Fella.
1278
01:14:45,147 --> 01:14:49,318
And there was there was a committee
of people put together to do that.
1279
01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:50,694
Good morning.
1280
01:14:52,237 --> 01:14:54,865
We wanted four friends of the governor
1281
01:14:55,115 --> 01:14:57,534
to call him and please as your friend.
1282
01:14:58,035 --> 01:15:02,039
Let me ask you to come to Attica,
not to meet with the prisoners,
1283
01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:06,043
but to come and lay your hand
on approving these measures,
1284
01:15:07,002 --> 01:15:08,545
Sergeant Cunningham.
1285
01:15:08,545 --> 01:15:10,631
Now, would you give us a message
1286
01:15:10,881 --> 01:15:13,217
for Governor Nelson Rockefeller?
1287
01:15:14,426 --> 01:15:15,677
I certainly would.
1288
01:15:15,677 --> 01:15:19,181
one of the recommendations is
and he said, No, I'm dead.
1289
01:15:19,765 --> 01:15:23,393
I and some of my fellow members
of the Service Committee felt
1290
01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:28,524
very strongly that if Governor Rockefeller
were to come to and identify
1291
01:15:28,732 --> 01:15:32,486
with finding a solution,
it might have broken the logjam.
1292
01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:37,282
So I placed the call, the governor
Rockefeller, somewhere around 3:00.
1293
01:15:37,616 --> 01:15:41,119
Governor, what about your
personal feelings right now?
1294
01:15:41,411 --> 01:15:43,872
On one level, it was a Hail Mary.
1295
01:15:43,872 --> 01:15:46,875
On the other level
it was more than a Hail Mary.
1296
01:15:46,875 --> 01:15:49,211
These were prominent people.
1297
01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:56,051
People
that you would think Rockefeller respected
1298
01:15:56,510 --> 01:16:01,139
making a sincere pitch come up here,
you don't have to go in.
1299
01:16:01,598 --> 01:16:05,352
You don't have to agree to anything
your presence will have mean.
1300
01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:09,398
Maybe if he came, that would be an opening
1301
01:16:09,398 --> 01:16:13,110
that would have allowed us to negotiate.
1302
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:13,777
Maybe.
1303
01:16:15,112 --> 01:16:15,988
Some other
1304
01:16:15,988 --> 01:16:20,492
negotiators could be brought in
who would help the negotiation,
1305
01:16:20,492 --> 01:16:23,161
maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.
1306
01:16:23,829 --> 01:16:27,040
But no known donor or man.
1307
01:16:27,082 --> 01:16:29,126
Death, death, death, death.
1308
01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:33,213
Prisoners had been demanding from the very
beginning that I come into the yard,
1309
01:16:33,797 --> 01:16:37,175
and I frankly felt
that the idea of governors
1310
01:16:38,176 --> 01:16:42,097
any time there was an uprising
or any time there was a prisoner
1311
01:16:42,097 --> 01:16:46,727
taken on a prisoner, but a hostage
taking being involved in the negotiation,
1312
01:16:46,727 --> 01:16:49,229
the next thing would be, we don't want
the governor, we want the president,
1313
01:16:49,938 --> 01:16:52,983
and we get to a situation
with an impossible one for this country.
1314
01:16:53,066 --> 01:16:56,278
By the time they spoke to him,
he had made up his mind.
1315
01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,073
He listened carefully,
he listened politely.
1316
01:17:01,033 --> 01:17:03,201
But by then, he had made up his mind.
1317
01:17:05,245 --> 01:17:07,831
We didn't understand the background of us
1318
01:17:07,831 --> 01:17:13,045
having consulted on an ongoing basis
during those days with the White House,
1319
01:17:13,712 --> 01:17:17,257
the administration in Washington
encouraged Rockey
1320
01:17:17,257 --> 01:17:19,676
to take a strong hard line position,
1321
01:17:20,427 --> 01:17:22,638
which was unfortunate.
1322
01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:26,308
It was all a part of President Nixon's
law and order agenda.
1323
01:17:26,892 --> 01:17:29,561
They were putting the pressure
yesterday on me all day
1324
01:17:29,561 --> 01:17:33,357
to go up there and it up
because everything else had failed.
1325
01:17:33,357 --> 01:17:34,566
And did you go?
1326
01:17:34,566 --> 01:17:36,610
Of course not. Of course not.
1327
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:37,569
But I had the time.
1328
01:17:37,569 --> 01:17:39,946
Rockefeller wasn't calling the shots.
1329
01:17:40,989 --> 01:17:43,033
Because he was on the phone.
1330
01:17:44,493 --> 01:17:47,371
With Richard Nixon.
1331
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:52,376
Rockefeller wanted to be president.
1332
01:17:52,376 --> 01:17:54,211
But the word on him was that
1333
01:17:54,211 --> 01:17:56,380
he was too soft on crime.
1334
01:17:57,673 --> 01:17:59,508
Where was he recommending amnesty?
1335
01:17:59,508 --> 01:18:00,175
Oh, yes.
1336
01:18:00,217 --> 01:18:03,845
Oh God, I tell you, is
1337
01:18:03,845 --> 01:18:07,057
this was the great this is separated
the sheep from the goats.
1338
01:18:07,516 --> 01:18:14,398
And if he wanted the support of Nixon
and the Republican Party, then
1339
01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:17,901
he needs to go along.
1340
01:18:17,984 --> 01:18:20,529
And so he wouldn't come.
1341
01:18:25,867 --> 01:18:27,202
You know, not that Rockefeller
1342
01:18:27,202 --> 01:18:29,413
wasn't coming in.
1343
01:18:31,373 --> 01:18:33,166
It's like slamming the door on you.
1344
01:18:33,166 --> 01:18:36,878
You know, I slammed the door
and we were locked in this room
1345
01:18:36,878 --> 01:18:38,880
and we didn't know what to do.
1346
01:18:40,048 --> 01:18:41,800
You were to a great degree,
1347
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,637
despondent
that we had no solution to this.
1348
01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,390
We didn't know what to do.
1349
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,727
Made one last chance
to convince the inmates
1350
01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:53,437
to surrender.
1351
01:18:58,692 --> 01:19:01,153
That last night, Cell Block D.
1352
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,282
As we were trying to negotiate.
1353
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:09,578
Demands that we thought.
1354
01:19:10,495 --> 01:19:12,289
But realistic.
1355
01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:19,045
Was. A come to Jesus moment.
1356
01:19:21,089 --> 01:19:23,383
This is what you wanted the demands.
1357
01:19:24,217 --> 01:19:26,636
This is what we were able to achieve.
1358
01:19:26,636 --> 01:19:29,389
This is where we stand now.
1359
01:19:31,975 --> 01:19:34,478
I'm not going to mislead you.
1360
01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:36,688
And believe
that you can get anything better.
1361
01:19:37,731 --> 01:19:39,649
I do not believe you can get
1362
01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:41,234
anything better.
1363
01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:44,362
I think we have to make
1364
01:19:44,362 --> 01:19:46,907
a peaceful accommodation.
1365
01:19:48,825 --> 01:19:52,579
Ready to be shot down like dogs.
1366
01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:56,625
I said this is what we achieved. OK.
1367
01:19:58,335 --> 01:20:00,504
And turn around, look,
1368
01:20:00,504 --> 01:20:04,633
cellblock, then you see all those guns
there, just waiting to kill us.
1369
01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:06,134
They want to kill us.
1370
01:20:06,134 --> 01:20:09,137
Do you understand that they want to show
1371
01:20:09,304 --> 01:20:12,098
that they have the power
from the barrel of a gun?
1372
01:20:12,140 --> 01:20:13,600
That's what they want to do.
1373
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,353
Oh God, I don't know
what's happening to me.
1374
01:20:16,603 --> 01:20:19,397
We were warned by the observers
1375
01:20:19,397 --> 01:20:23,318
that if we didn't settle,
even without the amnesty,
1376
01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:27,280
they were going to come in
and it could get very bad.
1377
01:20:29,074 --> 01:20:33,745
And of course, we talked among ourselves,
and we just couldn't
1378
01:20:34,496 --> 01:20:37,541
go without the amnesty
because it would have been literally
1379
01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:39,751
sending all our leaders.
1380
01:20:41,628 --> 01:20:44,047
To the dogs to be
1381
01:20:44,047 --> 01:20:46,800
tortured, murdered.
1382
01:20:47,634 --> 01:20:50,011
Convicted of crimes and
1383
01:20:50,011 --> 01:20:52,055
who knows what else, we had observed
1384
01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:56,935
the organization
and preparation of the troopers to enter.
1385
01:20:57,102 --> 01:20:59,938
Hundreds of them with their shotguns
1386
01:20:59,938 --> 01:21:03,692
just outside the immediate
area of the yard.
1387
01:21:04,276 --> 01:21:08,905
We witness the stationing of sharpshooters
on one of the ledges
1388
01:21:09,406 --> 01:21:12,409
looking down into DAAD.
1389
01:21:12,409 --> 01:21:15,829
Fear overtook the observers committee.
1390
01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:22,252
It seemed like they felt
something was going to happen.
1391
01:21:22,919 --> 01:21:24,421
They were more.
1392
01:21:25,589 --> 01:21:28,383
Hesitant to leave,
they left with a solemn mood.
1393
01:21:28,425 --> 01:21:30,594
He left us with a solemn like.
1394
01:21:32,262 --> 01:21:35,682
But is this better, just take care.
1395
01:21:38,226 --> 01:21:40,562
I remember seeing them leave, and,
1396
01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:44,482
you know,
it was a scary moment to see them leaving,
1397
01:21:44,858 --> 01:21:47,068
you know,
knowing that there wasn't coming back.
1398
01:21:50,655 --> 01:21:51,489
I remember
1399
01:21:51,489 --> 01:21:55,994
Big Black saying, I want to thank you
for what you guys tried to do.
1400
01:21:56,036 --> 01:21:58,872
We really appreciate it.
So there was a lot of that.
1401
01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:01,374
When we went out of
1402
01:22:01,374 --> 01:22:04,753
that yard that night.
1403
01:22:05,170 --> 01:22:06,588
There were tears.
1404
01:22:07,380 --> 01:22:08,506
Tears.
1405
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:13,094
And I think all of us were hoping
1406
01:22:13,094 --> 01:22:15,221
that something happened
at the last minute.
1407
01:22:16,514 --> 01:22:17,515
Stop it.
1408
01:22:19,809 --> 01:22:23,355
I felt complete failure,
1409
01:22:23,355 --> 01:22:25,732
a failure that I had let them down.
1410
01:22:27,817 --> 01:22:31,196
one of the most painful things.
1411
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,240
As inmates begin to.
1412
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:37,535
Hand me
written notes, the telephone number.
1413
01:22:38,995 --> 01:22:42,165
Of their of their
1414
01:22:42,165 --> 01:22:43,625
next of kin.
1415
01:22:44,542 --> 01:22:46,878
In case they didn't make it OK.
1416
01:22:47,462 --> 01:22:49,172
They wanted me.
1417
01:22:49,172 --> 01:22:52,133
They they I mean, a couple of them
looked me in the eye with tears
1418
01:22:53,385 --> 01:22:55,387
for the Jones, but I don't make it.
1419
01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:57,013
You're going to call right.
1420
01:22:57,013 --> 01:22:59,349
I said, You have my word.
1421
01:23:00,058 --> 01:23:02,435
I will call you
1422
01:23:03,478 --> 01:23:06,773
any way optimistic that this thing
could be settled by tomorrow.
1423
01:23:07,065 --> 01:23:10,610
I think I'm much too tired to be either
optimistic or pessimistic at this moment.
1424
01:23:10,610 --> 01:23:12,946
I'm kind of just freaked out.
1425
01:23:24,624 --> 01:23:26,376
Randall, I know
1426
01:23:26,459 --> 01:23:29,004
it didn't stop ran until about
1427
01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:31,047
six in the morning.
1428
01:23:31,589 --> 01:23:34,843
Cold Mountain, right?
1429
01:23:34,884 --> 01:23:40,473
And we were not prepared
for those little hunches that we had the
1430
01:23:41,141 --> 01:23:43,685
that people had built a yard up
1431
01:23:43,685 --> 01:23:46,104
in every day,
all alone started collapsing.
1432
01:23:46,980 --> 01:23:49,149
And you had to get on
1433
01:23:49,816 --> 01:23:53,903
solid ground concrete and huddled together
1434
01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:57,282
because everybody was shivering
and everything else.
1435
01:23:57,782 --> 01:24:00,910
It was a miserable night,
one of the miserable nights
1436
01:24:00,910 --> 01:24:03,121
I ever spent in my life.
1437
01:24:05,707 --> 01:24:09,002
I could feel the tension in the air,
the tension was so strong
1438
01:24:09,252 --> 01:24:11,963
that I could just basically grab it
and hold on to it
1439
01:24:13,131 --> 01:24:14,257
. Am I going to make it?
1440
01:24:14,257 --> 01:24:16,718
Am I going to to this?
1441
01:24:16,718 --> 01:24:21,848
And that tension was so strong I could touch it, I could cut improperly in my hand.
1442
01:24:24,934 --> 01:24:27,395
There was an air.
1443
01:24:31,858 --> 01:24:34,194
We've been out there for about four days.
1444
01:24:34,194 --> 01:24:36,696
Wake up that morning and it's
1445
01:24:36,696 --> 01:24:39,157
wet and dreary out there,
1446
01:24:39,157 --> 01:24:42,535
and you could always smell the fumes
1447
01:24:43,286 --> 01:24:46,289
of Guy's body
in that trench that we dug in the yard.
1448
01:24:46,498 --> 01:24:48,333
You use the bathroom.
1449
01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:51,044
Right there in front of You
Breathe initiative nowadays,
1450
01:24:51,044 --> 01:24:54,047
so you want out.
1451
01:24:56,466 --> 01:24:58,343
What was really bad?
1452
01:24:58,343 --> 01:25:01,346
People's moods was that way, and
1453
01:25:01,805 --> 01:25:02,597
it was crowded.
1454
01:25:02,597 --> 01:25:05,100
It started to rain a little bit.
1455
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,226
You know, it was dog.
1456
01:25:06,226 --> 01:25:08,937
The sky was dark gray.
1457
01:25:12,107 --> 01:25:12,732
We heard that
1458
01:25:12,732 --> 01:25:14,859
we would be part of a medical evacuation.
1459
01:25:16,528 --> 01:25:18,613
And early on Monday morning,
1460
01:25:18,613 --> 01:25:21,032
we loaded into trucks
and headed for Attica prison.
1461
01:25:24,452 --> 01:25:26,538
In the three years
that I was in the National Guard,
1462
01:25:26,538 --> 01:25:30,667
I had not seen any kind of action
in which violence was involved.
1463
01:25:31,626 --> 01:25:33,586
But we had a sense of dread,
1464
01:25:33,586 --> 01:25:36,297
and we had a wish
that we could kind of not go.
1465
01:25:37,549 --> 01:25:40,844
And there was the hope,
even at the last minute, that
1466
01:25:41,553 --> 01:25:44,055
by some miracle, maybe
1467
01:25:44,389 --> 01:25:47,475
Rockefeller would intervene.
1468
01:25:48,643 --> 01:25:49,811
His refusal to come
1469
01:25:49,811 --> 01:25:53,940
here is a monstrosity, because what he is
saying is kill these men.
1470
01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:56,025
I have no concern.
1471
01:25:56,025 --> 01:25:59,320
All I want to do
is assault, law and order,
1472
01:25:59,362 --> 01:26:02,073
and I think that's a rotten
in exchange for life.
1473
01:26:03,658 --> 01:26:05,660
And we got to the prison
1474
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:09,914
and saw the lines of state troopers
and deputies
1475
01:26:09,914 --> 01:26:13,626
with their raincoats
on and their weapons in hand.
1476
01:26:14,961 --> 01:26:16,004
They looked exhausted.
1477
01:26:16,004 --> 01:26:19,382
They had been there, many of them
for a couple of days at least,
1478
01:26:20,049 --> 01:26:23,344
and they really didn't look up to the
task that was given to them.
1479
01:26:31,394 --> 01:26:33,438
He was coming in, you could tell.
1480
01:26:33,438 --> 01:26:36,357
You can see them starting to get
more people I wasn't able to count on.
1481
01:26:38,568 --> 01:26:39,819
What I saw was.
1482
01:26:43,907 --> 01:26:46,951
We got another matches
to put up on that table committee, there's
1483
01:26:46,951 --> 01:26:50,830
going to be rubber bullets
and I say that's what that's
1484
01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:53,041
what the word was.
1485
01:26:55,543 --> 01:26:58,046
I thought they were going to be
a real old fashioned game for you.
1486
01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:00,465
David, you want to call it,
you know them versus us.
1487
01:27:00,715 --> 01:27:01,883
They've got the crowd.
1488
01:27:01,883 --> 01:27:04,761
We've got a few bats and stuff in here,
so we're going to
1489
01:27:05,845 --> 01:27:07,722
best guy win.
1490
01:27:09,849 --> 01:27:12,435
We started making preparations
1491
01:27:12,435 --> 01:27:15,438
and putting Vaseline
on every part of our body
1492
01:27:15,438 --> 01:27:18,650
that could be exposed to gas
and get burnt and stuff like that
1493
01:27:19,817 --> 01:27:21,986
padding ourselves with clothes.
1494
01:27:25,907 --> 01:27:26,866
Somebody saying
1495
01:27:26,866 --> 01:27:29,494
if they come in here,
then that's good because I know my sheik.
1496
01:27:32,121 --> 01:27:34,207
It became apparent to me
1497
01:27:34,207 --> 01:27:36,626
that the situation
was seriously deteriorating
1498
01:27:37,460 --> 01:27:41,339
and that the inmates,
many of whom are confined to this maximum
1499
01:27:41,339 --> 01:27:45,301
security facility
under light and long sentences.
1500
01:27:46,135 --> 01:27:49,722
We're not going to participate
in a reasonable negotiation.
1501
01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:52,850
Tensions within the walls
1502
01:27:52,850 --> 01:27:55,311
have steadily increased.
1503
01:27:55,311 --> 01:27:57,563
The action now underway
1504
01:27:57,563 --> 01:27:59,857
was initiated with extreme reluctance
1505
01:28:00,984 --> 01:28:04,320
only after all, attempts to achieve
1506
01:28:05,029 --> 01:28:08,908
a peaceful solution failed.
1507
01:28:09,075 --> 01:28:11,327
We were told that our mission
was protection
1508
01:28:11,327 --> 01:28:15,206
for the medical battalion
during the commander's briefing.
1509
01:28:15,415 --> 01:28:17,542
We were told that to our knowledge,
1510
01:28:18,251 --> 01:28:20,920
the inmates had no guns.
1511
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,171
They had Spears.
1512
01:28:22,171 --> 01:28:24,424
They had some knives.
1513
01:28:24,424 --> 01:28:27,468
They had pipes
that they were using as clubs.
1514
01:28:28,094 --> 01:28:30,471
But that was the extent of the threat.
1515
01:28:30,930 --> 01:28:33,474
So we knew that going in for,
1516
01:28:34,809 --> 01:28:36,019
you know, 5:00 a.m.
1517
01:28:36,019 --> 01:28:39,522
September 13, we're on the roof of a block
1518
01:28:40,189 --> 01:28:43,067
waiting for the assault to begin.
1519
01:28:43,067 --> 01:28:45,445
This is a team of 270 rifle shooters.
1520
01:28:46,988 --> 01:28:50,616
The center of our pictures, men
distributing
1521
01:28:50,616 --> 01:28:52,910
baseball bats to the other prisoners.
1522
01:28:53,578 --> 01:28:56,331
We had no guns. We had no real weapons.
1523
01:28:56,331 --> 01:29:00,710
We had bullshit pieces of stick
or a piece of iron
1524
01:29:01,127 --> 01:29:05,298
or shank
that somebody made up on the sidewalk.
1525
01:29:05,715 --> 01:29:08,468
It was. It was pathetic.
1526
01:29:08,468 --> 01:29:13,181
Just four days, almost to the minute
after the convict insurrection started,
1527
01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:17,143
state police reinforced by sheriff's
deputies, National Guardsmen
1528
01:29:17,393 --> 01:29:22,690
and correctional officers moving in on
the prison time is 150 5:00 p.m.
1529
01:29:22,690 --> 01:29:28,154
We're on the roof of C Block
looking at a detail of 270 marksmen
1530
01:29:28,696 --> 01:29:31,949
with instructions
to clear the catwalks upon command.
1531
01:29:33,785 --> 01:29:34,744
They took some of the
1532
01:29:34,744 --> 01:29:40,208
hostages on top of the catwalks,
which is on top of the hallways,
1533
01:29:40,708 --> 01:29:45,755
and some of the inmates held knives to the
to their neck as a result.
1534
01:29:46,089 --> 01:29:48,883
In an effort to try to stop the assault,
1535
01:29:49,509 --> 01:29:53,304
the hostages are armed with knives
with their throats.
1536
01:29:53,888 --> 01:29:56,766
It was all just to show.
1537
01:29:56,808 --> 01:30:00,436
The try to get them to say, Oh,
wait a minute, it's my cousin, my brother.
1538
01:30:00,770 --> 01:30:02,188
All he's got.
1539
01:30:03,147 --> 01:30:06,234
We were hopeful that if they saw this,
they would back off
1540
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,696
and try to renegotiate
so they could protect their own people.
1541
01:30:13,491 --> 01:30:15,743
The notion of sending
1542
01:30:15,743 --> 01:30:18,079
in correctional officers
1543
01:30:18,996 --> 01:30:21,082
who didn't love the prisoners
to begin with
1544
01:30:21,874 --> 01:30:26,504
and state police who were stressed
out was a serious miscalculation,
1545
01:30:26,504 --> 01:30:30,299
somebody should have said, wait a second,
wait a second, these people are on edge.
1546
01:30:31,884 --> 01:30:35,513
There is hostility
1547
01:30:35,596 --> 01:30:39,600
and it's going to get out of control.
1548
01:30:40,810 --> 01:30:43,563
We know that now, did we know that
1549
01:30:44,105 --> 01:30:46,023
in real time?
1550
01:30:47,775 --> 01:30:49,569
I guess not.
1551
01:30:52,196 --> 01:30:55,199
I seen this as a glorious fight.
1552
01:30:56,492 --> 01:30:58,744
They would come in with batons
1553
01:30:58,744 --> 01:31:03,666
and stuff like that,
and we would be fighting the brave battle
1554
01:31:03,666 --> 01:31:07,170
with baseball bats and stuff like that, I.
1555
01:31:19,265 --> 01:31:20,099
I did.
1556
01:31:25,813 --> 01:31:28,524
I just never expected.
1557
01:31:29,108 --> 01:31:31,736
The the coverage through
what actually happened,
1558
01:31:31,736 --> 01:31:33,070
I'm sorry.
1559
01:31:48,294 --> 01:31:51,923
Helicopter, two helicopters and a.
1560
01:31:56,802 --> 01:31:58,346
We're talking now going overhead
1561
01:31:58,346 --> 01:32:01,349
and over the wall into the prison.
1562
01:32:02,433 --> 01:32:05,436
It just disquieted,
and Sky was getting dark,
1563
01:32:05,937 --> 01:32:08,189
and then we heard
the helicopters does a dance.
1564
01:32:08,898 --> 01:32:11,317
This is fucking strange.
1565
01:32:14,529 --> 01:32:16,864
The helicopter comes up over the wall
1566
01:32:17,281 --> 01:32:19,909
and it's hovering over the yard.
1567
01:32:22,828 --> 01:32:24,205
I seen this.
1568
01:32:24,205 --> 01:32:26,040
I thought it was a monster.
1569
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,376
It was a helicopter, a green helicopter.
1570
01:32:28,834 --> 01:32:30,086
It was flying low.
1571
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,718
You see this.
1572
01:32:37,718 --> 01:32:40,846
It's like a sickly green gas with.
1573
01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:43,724
Sparkly stuff, minute coming down.
1574
01:32:44,559 --> 01:32:46,894
It tightens your chest.
1575
01:32:46,894 --> 01:32:49,522
Where you can hardly breathe.
1576
01:32:49,522 --> 01:32:51,732
That gas knocked me down.
1577
01:32:52,275 --> 01:32:54,819
Oh, what that was.
1578
01:32:55,111 --> 01:32:57,196
And they had me so weak I could not.
1579
01:32:57,947 --> 01:33:01,075
Your eyes are just all burning,
1580
01:33:01,075 --> 01:33:03,536
your nose is burning,
your mouth is burning.
1581
01:33:10,626 --> 01:33:11,919
I mean,
1582
01:33:12,378 --> 01:33:13,504
we are.
1583
01:33:16,882 --> 01:33:20,303
And you got on the microphone,
everybody in D-Block, yeah.
1584
01:33:20,344 --> 01:33:22,847
Put your hands in the air.
1585
01:33:22,847 --> 01:33:24,473
And you are not behind.
1586
01:33:24,473 --> 01:33:29,103
Go to the nearest police officer
and you will not be home.
1587
01:33:29,353 --> 01:33:32,523
You would not be home. We will not be.
1588
01:33:32,523 --> 01:33:34,775
You would not be here for that was.
1589
01:33:44,327 --> 01:33:45,244
Do just ended up
1590
01:33:45,244 --> 01:33:47,580
doing this to get blown away.
1591
01:33:48,789 --> 01:33:52,293
They blew his head off and then.
1592
01:33:52,293 --> 01:33:56,255
Has all of a sudden
there was all this popping all around us
1593
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:59,216
and all these little pops
1594
01:33:59,216 --> 01:34:03,012
all around us were actually bullets.
1595
01:34:03,971 --> 01:34:08,643
Oh, and you could really see
because the CO2 public first heard
1596
01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:11,812
you blah, that you can hear the boom
going by your ear.
1597
01:34:17,234 --> 01:34:20,404
The hostages can't be seen in any.
1598
01:34:23,032 --> 01:34:25,409
I'm trying to stay on the ground
as long as possible,
1599
01:34:26,577 --> 01:34:28,746
just like
they were shooting down the barrel
1600
01:34:28,746 --> 01:34:32,583
and they started shooting
point blank range, blowing guys away .
1601
01:34:32,583 --> 01:34:36,170
I got shot in the arm up there right
through the back macroeconomist on.
1602
01:34:39,924 --> 01:34:43,761
I I felt something.
1603
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,391
Go to my head,
it must go, and it was burning,
1604
01:34:49,475 --> 01:34:50,851
no was shot.
1605
01:34:50,851 --> 01:34:54,271
I felt something hit my arm
1606
01:34:54,271 --> 01:34:56,899
and we're all numb and realized needed.
1607
01:34:56,899 --> 01:35:00,027
I got shot in the arm
about two inches from my heart
1608
01:35:00,152 --> 01:35:04,448
and also a one to a football helmet
on Spanish food.
1609
01:35:05,282 --> 01:35:07,785
Now the guard is up on the catwalk.
1610
01:35:07,785 --> 01:35:12,206
He jumps out with a hammer
and throws it up and it hits the catwalk.
1611
01:35:12,748 --> 01:35:17,128
And you can hear the sound clip
and all of them turn looked at him,
1612
01:35:17,211 --> 01:35:21,674
and all of them turn their guns
on a brutal dashboard body.
1613
01:35:21,841 --> 01:35:23,342
I'm assuming that you guys got anywhere
1614
01:35:23,342 --> 01:35:27,263
from 20 to 50 shots
because his body was doing like that.
1615
01:35:27,263 --> 01:35:28,723
I'd never seen no shit like that.
1616
01:35:28,723 --> 01:35:30,725
Not as a nasty shoot in the street.
1617
01:35:30,725 --> 01:35:31,642
I'd never seen them. I did.
1618
01:35:32,685 --> 01:35:34,103
I mean.
1619
01:35:38,899 --> 01:35:41,026
This was a holiday for the.
1620
01:35:41,026 --> 01:35:44,155
We got no guns to shoot back.
1621
01:35:44,155 --> 01:35:44,739
You know what?
1622
01:35:44,739 --> 01:35:49,118
It is a shoe store man and it's a shoe,
but that's just a holiday
1623
01:35:49,869 --> 01:35:52,121
slow motion and all it was
1624
01:35:52,121 --> 01:35:55,708
that was save money.
1625
01:35:55,708 --> 01:35:58,252
That's what
they will follow to each other.
1626
01:35:58,586 --> 01:36:00,212
I was scared.
1627
01:36:01,630 --> 01:36:03,841
I've done bad things,
but I never did this bad.
1628
01:36:04,258 --> 01:36:05,342
As no.
1629
01:36:05,342 --> 01:36:08,721
These guys are real fucking cold blooded
1630
01:36:08,721 --> 01:36:10,347
killers and shit.
1631
01:36:12,016 --> 01:36:15,561
Until that moment came,
1632
01:36:15,644 --> 01:36:19,190
what is killing really started,
and I realize that
1633
01:36:20,232 --> 01:36:23,694
you're not that fucking bad guy, no more,
man, there's more power with his words
1634
01:36:23,694 --> 01:36:26,864
new, every bullet that missed by me,
1635
01:36:27,698 --> 01:36:29,241
if he could move.
1636
01:36:30,659 --> 01:36:33,496
Close to me, I winced,
1637
01:36:35,664 --> 01:36:37,249
then all of a sudden, it just stopped.
1638
01:36:53,265 --> 01:36:53,516
There are
1639
01:36:53,516 --> 01:36:56,769
people throwing off their smoke gear.
1640
01:36:57,311 --> 01:36:59,522
They ran out
screaming niggers, niggers, niggers
1641
01:37:01,148 --> 01:37:04,485
and two of them pointed their guns at me.
1642
01:37:05,110 --> 01:37:06,278
Negative niggers.
1643
01:37:06,278 --> 01:37:08,364
And I said, Don't shoot, don't shoot.
1644
01:37:08,405 --> 01:37:09,406
Don't shoot.
1645
01:37:09,406 --> 01:37:12,284
Well, I'm coughing with all the gas.
1646
01:37:13,244 --> 01:37:14,870
I've been gassed.
1647
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:16,831
It's an awful thing.
1648
01:37:16,831 --> 01:37:18,624
William Kunstler
1649
01:37:19,625 --> 01:37:22,461
has said that people are dying in there.
1650
01:37:22,711 --> 01:37:26,632
And I agree with that.
1651
01:37:27,132 --> 01:37:31,470
But that people are dying
and then a shooting went on forever
1652
01:37:32,054 --> 01:37:35,307
and then it was like the shooting subsided
1653
01:37:35,766 --> 01:37:37,977
and then I heard some.
1654
01:37:38,394 --> 01:37:43,482
After the shooting subsided,
I heard some single shot
1655
01:37:43,566 --> 01:37:46,735
bang and bang.
1656
01:37:55,911 --> 01:37:58,122
After they took over the prison,
1657
01:37:58,122 --> 01:38:00,749
all those books
that had been speaking to the cameras
1658
01:38:02,251 --> 01:38:05,254
were all targeted and tortured.
1659
01:38:06,005 --> 01:38:08,924
So yes, yes, yes, yes, they were targeted.
1660
01:38:11,218 --> 01:38:13,137
Andy Barclay.
1661
01:38:13,262 --> 01:38:16,307
They were calling his name.
1662
01:38:16,348 --> 01:38:18,684
Going to that, Bob, looking for him
1663
01:38:19,393 --> 01:38:22,187
and threatening him
with what they were going to do to him.
1664
01:38:23,606 --> 01:38:26,400
When they when they found him
and they found him,
1665
01:38:27,276 --> 01:38:28,944
he was yelling.
1666
01:38:29,612 --> 01:38:32,072
No, no, but it's too fucking late.
1667
01:38:32,114 --> 01:38:35,159
They had him do acting, actually
dragging him towards a
1668
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,454
block far yard over there.
1669
01:38:38,454 --> 01:38:41,165
He's Holland new agreement and the acuity.
1670
01:38:53,052 --> 01:38:55,679
You can see because the gas is so thick,
1671
01:38:56,472 --> 01:38:59,308
but all of a sudden a puff of wind comes
1672
01:39:00,643 --> 01:39:03,479
and disperses the gas.
1673
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,648
And then I could see.
1674
01:39:05,648 --> 01:39:08,734
And what I saw was fright.
1675
01:39:09,276 --> 01:39:12,237
Hundreds of bodies just laying there.
1676
01:39:13,822 --> 01:39:16,033
Some were moaning, some wasn't moving.
1677
01:39:16,325 --> 01:39:18,827
Blood was everywhere.
1678
01:39:23,791 --> 01:39:28,128
We were given stretchers
and told to go into the prison.
1679
01:39:29,254 --> 01:39:31,340
It was really an unthinkable scene.
1680
01:39:31,340 --> 01:39:34,218
It was dead and wounded and simply
1681
01:39:34,218 --> 01:39:36,971
starting to carry them out.
1682
01:39:37,596 --> 01:39:40,224
It was far beyond anything
1683
01:39:40,224 --> 01:39:43,394
I had imagined when they said
we would be doing medical evacuation.
1684
01:39:44,311 --> 01:39:47,064
We were basically civilians
1685
01:39:47,064 --> 01:39:50,192
put into a situation where state troopers
1686
01:39:50,192 --> 01:39:52,611
and correctional officers
had created a war zone.
1687
01:39:55,072 --> 01:39:59,201
There was a pile of bodies,
maybe eight or ten people,
1688
01:39:59,201 --> 01:40:02,246
and the man on top,
it had his eyes shot out.
1689
01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:25,686
Right below us,
1690
01:40:25,686 --> 01:40:28,313
there was a huge pool of rainwater
1691
01:40:29,148 --> 01:40:31,483
and it was blood red.
1692
01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:35,154
And I looked down on down at it
1693
01:40:35,154 --> 01:40:38,157
and they said, Those are false
teeth down there, aren't they?
1694
01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:41,994
And somebody said, Yeah.
1695
01:40:44,621 --> 01:40:46,790
The attitude of the people
1696
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:48,917
who should have been concerned
1697
01:40:49,835 --> 01:40:52,504
about what had happened
was simply that they were
1698
01:40:53,839 --> 01:40:56,091
pleased with what had happened
1699
01:40:56,091 --> 01:40:59,303
and had no qualms or second thoughts
1700
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,556
or anything but satisfaction
1701
01:41:02,556 --> 01:41:05,726
with Walker wants to go back to.
1702
01:41:10,898 --> 01:41:13,317
Why white power weight,
1703
01:41:14,443 --> 01:41:16,487
right, right?
1704
01:41:21,909 --> 01:41:24,203
They had control.
1705
01:41:24,203 --> 01:41:26,497
And once they had control, you would think
1706
01:41:26,497 --> 01:41:28,916
that things would have stopped.
1707
01:41:29,708 --> 01:41:31,335
They didn't.
1708
01:41:34,463 --> 01:41:37,674
It was clear that at that point
it was all about revenge.
1709
01:41:38,217 --> 01:41:41,011
It was all about reestablishing
who was in charge.
1710
01:41:41,428 --> 01:41:44,765
And the most violent ways possible.
1711
01:41:52,356 --> 01:41:55,025
Everybody had to crawl through shit,
1712
01:41:55,025 --> 01:41:57,319
human waste.
1713
01:42:00,864 --> 01:42:01,740
But what do you do?
1714
01:42:01,740 --> 01:42:05,202
Do you live to tell your story
1715
01:42:05,369 --> 01:42:07,538
like I'm doing today
or do you fucking die?
1716
01:42:08,497 --> 01:42:09,289
I made a choice.
1717
01:42:09,289 --> 01:42:10,624
I want to live.
1718
01:42:14,461 --> 01:42:16,547
Chrome nickel chrome
1719
01:42:16,547 --> 01:42:18,632
for like a dog.
1720
01:42:23,220 --> 01:42:26,807
If you look up, nigga,
I'll blow your motherfucking brains out.
1721
01:42:28,684 --> 01:42:31,353
What the
fuck they care about calling you a nigger?
1722
01:42:31,979 --> 01:42:34,398
That was your name.
1723
01:42:35,232 --> 01:42:36,525
They had us marching
1724
01:42:36,525 --> 01:42:38,902
around the yard with our with our hands
1725
01:42:40,028 --> 01:42:41,989
interlocked like this on top of our heads,
1726
01:42:41,989 --> 01:42:44,199
abject surrender.
1727
01:42:56,336 --> 01:42:58,505
When I saw these naked bodies
1728
01:42:59,131 --> 01:43:03,385
lined up, snaked around the area,
it reminded me
1729
01:43:03,927 --> 01:43:09,057
of portrayals of of African-Americans
being heard it on the slave ships.
1730
01:43:09,808 --> 01:43:12,477
That was just horrendous, just horrible,
1731
01:43:12,644 --> 01:43:13,604
horrible.
1732
01:43:23,864 --> 01:43:26,366
We're next in the middle of fucking yard.
1733
01:43:27,284 --> 01:43:30,245
God's going around with like baby bats.
1734
01:43:30,287 --> 01:43:34,208
It was seven remote guys
as I'm laying here and I'm hoping
1735
01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:36,501
they don't come my way.
1736
01:43:49,097 --> 01:43:52,100
Frank Schmidt,
Big Black, was put on a table
1737
01:43:52,434 --> 01:43:55,771
with the football under his throat.
1738
01:43:58,899 --> 01:44:01,276
People stood up above him on the catwalk,
1739
01:44:01,318 --> 01:44:05,530
aiming their guns down at him,
throwing cigars and cigaret butts on him
1740
01:44:07,157 --> 01:44:07,824
. And
1741
01:44:07,824 --> 01:44:11,161
it said, Do said football falls, nigger,
we're going to shoot you.
1742
01:44:14,915 --> 01:44:17,251
He was told to get to his feet.
1743
01:44:17,251 --> 01:44:20,212
He tried, he stumbled, he fell.
1744
01:44:20,212 --> 01:44:22,256
He was hit with clubs
1745
01:44:22,464 --> 01:44:24,758
on his back between his legs.
1746
01:44:25,884 --> 01:44:28,345
And he was crying out.
1747
01:44:28,971 --> 01:44:31,139
You know, don't do this. Don't do this.
1748
01:44:31,723 --> 01:44:34,685
And then you could hear him screaming as
1749
01:44:34,685 --> 01:44:36,687
he went up to the prison.
1750
01:44:42,192 --> 01:44:44,653
It felt good
that I had survived this shit.
1751
01:44:45,654 --> 01:44:48,073
And now I got a look out
1752
01:44:48,699 --> 01:44:52,286
because some motion is coming.
1753
01:44:56,957 --> 01:44:58,250
The inmates were entering
1754
01:44:58,250 --> 01:45:00,794
these corridors off of the yard
1755
01:45:01,837 --> 01:45:04,464
and the guards were like
1756
01:45:04,464 --> 01:45:06,925
five or six feet apart with their clubs
1757
01:45:07,676 --> 01:45:11,722
and they would hit them against the wall
and there was just this
1758
01:45:12,764 --> 01:45:14,850
dull drum like sound.
1759
01:45:14,850 --> 01:45:18,395
And then they were hitting the inmates
as they ran a gantlet.
1760
01:45:23,150 --> 01:45:25,485
We could hear the screams coming out
1761
01:45:25,485 --> 01:45:29,072
so that we knew they were being tortured
1762
01:45:29,072 --> 01:45:33,410
and that we were somehow
part of this unthinkable scene
1763
01:45:33,618 --> 01:45:37,164
that there was no escaping from
but was completely wrong.
1764
01:45:41,043 --> 01:45:44,171
They had guards on both sides,
and they would be hitting you
1765
01:45:44,421 --> 01:45:45,922
as you were running through beating you
1766
01:45:45,922 --> 01:45:49,885
with hoses and batons
and whatever they had in their hands.
1767
01:45:50,093 --> 01:45:52,220
I'm ducking, trying to get through,
1768
01:45:52,220 --> 01:45:55,849
protecting my head,
so I hit all of my all the elbows.
1769
01:45:55,849 --> 01:46:00,228
My knees still hurt, beating you
and they're making you run
1770
01:46:00,228 --> 01:46:01,313
through the gantlet with it,
1771
01:46:01,313 --> 01:46:04,274
took all the glass out the fucking windows
and put it in the middle of the floor.
1772
01:46:04,608 --> 01:46:06,568
So you had to run through grass
with bare feet.
1773
01:46:06,568 --> 01:46:09,029
Nobody came out of that yard.
1774
01:46:09,029 --> 01:46:14,117
What with picking without having to pick
a shot of your feet for four weeks?
1775
01:46:15,994 --> 01:46:19,456
Couldn't walk, nobody could walk anymore.
1776
01:46:19,456 --> 01:46:21,541
But we had to run
because if you didn't run,
1777
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,587
they just kept beating you
with these clubs.
1778
01:46:34,012 --> 01:46:36,890
The families of the hostages,
a lot of them waited
1779
01:46:36,890 --> 01:46:40,644
just outside the prison wall.
1780
01:46:43,063 --> 01:46:45,440
Then news began to filter out of Attica.
1781
01:46:45,774 --> 01:46:48,985
Names of freed hostages
were called out to the loved one
1782
01:46:49,152 --> 01:46:52,072
by Curtis Lieutenant Colonel
1783
01:46:52,364 --> 01:46:53,240
Robert
1784
01:46:54,199 --> 01:46:54,825
Elder.
1785
01:46:58,036 --> 01:46:59,830
Some didn't see their men come out.
1786
01:46:59,830 --> 01:47:01,665
All they learned
was the name of the hospital
1787
01:47:01,665 --> 01:47:03,458
where the survivors were being treated.
1788
01:47:03,458 --> 01:47:04,876
There were no time to wait.
1789
01:47:04,876 --> 01:47:08,296
They ran off to see their man.
1790
01:47:10,715 --> 01:47:12,759
People couldn't seem to run fast enough.
1791
01:47:17,514 --> 01:47:19,599
My mom came home
and she was with her sister,
1792
01:47:19,599 --> 01:47:21,810
and my mom was crying, obviously upset.
1793
01:47:25,230 --> 01:47:27,190
I was outside sitting on the front porch,
1794
01:47:27,190 --> 01:47:30,318
you know, praying and worrying,
and where's dad?
1795
01:47:30,485 --> 01:47:33,155
I respect him to show up, you know, and.
1796
01:47:34,573 --> 01:47:37,159
I again, my mom was dead.
1797
01:47:37,868 --> 01:47:39,953
What's what's
why are you crying, what's going on?
1798
01:47:39,995 --> 01:47:43,915
Well, my mother came back in the house
and, you know, he
1799
01:47:43,957 --> 01:47:47,294
she said, nobody to play with me
now, are you?
1800
01:47:47,294 --> 01:47:50,589
I mean, you know,
because I didn't want to believe it.
1801
01:47:50,922 --> 01:47:54,718
And she finally said, I saw him.
1802
01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:57,179
I saw him.
1803
01:48:01,141 --> 01:48:01,600
Finally,
1804
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,562
she blurted out, Your father's dead.
1805
01:48:05,896 --> 01:48:07,355
So it ran.
1806
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,694
We're in for a while, and I came back
1807
01:48:13,570 --> 01:48:17,991
and I was sitting on the front porch
trying to be strong and not cry.
1808
01:48:18,033 --> 01:48:21,119
And I could hear everybody in the house
crying
1809
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,705
and I was trying to be so tough and.
1810
01:48:31,838 --> 01:48:32,964
All right.
1811
01:48:34,049 --> 01:48:34,716
Yeah, right.
1812
01:48:49,981 --> 01:48:52,776
The National Guardsmen
were told to get back in their trucks,
1813
01:48:53,235 --> 01:48:56,196
and we did that
and were taken out to the parking area.
1814
01:48:56,947 --> 01:49:01,743
And the colonel then addressed
the battalion, maybe several hundred men,
1815
01:49:02,369 --> 01:49:05,455
and he said, essentially you saw things
1816
01:49:05,455 --> 01:49:08,166
that were excessive and wrong today.
1817
01:49:09,042 --> 01:49:12,337
And I have to ask you
not to speak of this to anyone
1818
01:49:12,879 --> 01:49:16,716
because the world will not understand
what happened here today.
1819
01:49:19,386 --> 01:49:22,639
The most violent
rebellion in modern American penal history
1820
01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:26,101
came to an end today at the maximum
security prison in New York.
1821
01:49:26,393 --> 01:49:29,396
In the final hours of the revolt,
led primarily by blacks,
1822
01:49:29,688 --> 01:49:32,190
the inmates murdered
nine of their white hostages.
1823
01:49:32,566 --> 01:49:33,942
28 convicts were killed
1824
01:49:33,942 --> 01:49:37,237
by state troopers, and sheriff's deputies
will regain control of the prison.
1825
01:49:37,862 --> 01:49:40,907
The storming of the prison had the full
approval of New York's governor,
1826
01:49:40,907 --> 01:49:45,453
Rockefeller, who earlier had rejected
a prisoner demand for complete clemency.
1827
01:49:45,787 --> 01:49:50,166
The White House said that after the prison
was retaken, President Nixon telephoned
1828
01:49:50,166 --> 01:49:53,420
the governor to express his approval
of Rockefeller's action.
1829
01:49:55,005 --> 01:49:58,008
We went in we couldn't tell whether all 39
1830
01:49:58,008 --> 01:50:01,177
hostages would be killed
and maybe two or 300 prisoners.
1831
01:50:01,678 --> 01:50:04,055
So we were able to pick off
1832
01:50:04,723 --> 01:50:07,726
either
from the wall or as our men went in.
1833
01:50:09,185 --> 01:50:10,020
The man who had the
1834
01:50:10,020 --> 01:50:12,480
knives at the throat of the hostages
1835
01:50:13,106 --> 01:50:16,401
and they did a fabulous job.
1836
01:50:16,693 --> 01:50:18,820
I mean, this is this
1837
01:50:18,820 --> 01:50:22,032
are these primarily blacks?
1838
01:50:22,032 --> 01:50:24,909
Know, and the whole thing
was led by the black cabinet,
1839
01:50:25,035 --> 01:50:27,162
are all the All Blacks?
1840
01:50:28,747 --> 01:50:32,959
I haven't got that report,
but I have to admit I just out.
1841
01:50:33,126 --> 01:50:35,378
Yeah, yeah, we've got to have any.
1842
01:50:35,795 --> 01:50:38,506
We just not tolerate this kind of
1843
01:50:39,716 --> 01:50:40,675
anarchy.
1844
01:50:46,389 --> 01:50:48,725
Yesterday, officials at the prison said
1845
01:50:48,725 --> 01:50:51,645
eight of the hostages
had had their throats cut.
1846
01:50:52,062 --> 01:50:54,814
But today,
the Monroe County medical examiner,
1847
01:50:54,814 --> 01:50:58,360
having looked at the bodies, said no
throats were cut at all.
1848
01:50:58,943 --> 01:51:03,615
The medical examiner says the hostages
were apparently killed by a large caliber
1849
01:51:03,615 --> 01:51:06,701
ammunition
and shotgun blasts from a distance,
1850
01:51:07,077 --> 01:51:10,747
which immediately raised the possibility
that some of the hostages may
1851
01:51:10,747 --> 01:51:14,626
in fact have been shot down
by the lawmen who broke in to rescue them.
1852
01:51:15,877 --> 01:51:18,672
Some of the hostages were actually shot
1853
01:51:19,172 --> 01:51:22,008
running towards the state troopers
thinking,
1854
01:51:22,217 --> 01:51:25,220
I'm saved, I'm saved.
1855
01:51:25,220 --> 01:51:27,305
And the hostages were dressed
1856
01:51:27,305 --> 01:51:30,058
the same way the inmates were.
1857
01:51:30,392 --> 01:51:33,228
Anything that inmate garb on it.
1858
01:51:33,228 --> 01:51:36,064
They just started shooting at.
1859
01:51:38,108 --> 01:51:42,195
What Rockefeller had done was treat.
1860
01:51:43,279 --> 01:51:45,448
The hostages
1861
01:51:46,032 --> 01:51:49,452
as no more real live
1862
01:51:49,452 --> 01:51:54,374
human beings who deserve to be respected
than the prisoners.
1863
01:51:54,958 --> 01:51:58,628
And so you kill them all
and you restore order
1864
01:51:59,170 --> 01:52:03,258
and you make me into a major
1865
01:52:03,425 --> 01:52:06,594
figure who believes in law and order
1866
01:52:07,095 --> 01:52:11,349
at a time when that concept is beginning
1867
01:52:11,349 --> 01:52:14,978
to really take hold.
1868
01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:37,459
We should have entered
1869
01:52:37,459 --> 01:52:40,044
in a negotiated settlement.
1870
01:52:40,545 --> 01:52:42,964
No, they were they were interested
in that, they were interested in showing.
1871
01:52:44,382 --> 01:52:47,469
The naked fist of power law and order.
1872
01:52:49,137 --> 01:52:52,223
The national mindset of the nation
was law and order.
1873
01:52:53,141 --> 01:52:55,727
And law and order does not permit.
1874
01:52:57,312 --> 01:53:00,273
Any challenge?
1875
01:53:00,273 --> 01:53:03,234
To his authority whatsoever.
1876
01:53:03,234 --> 01:53:06,154
God willing, a few more months in
January will be 90 years old.
1877
01:53:07,572 --> 01:53:10,283
I will never, ever, ever, ever,
1878
01:53:10,742 --> 01:53:12,911
ever, ever, ever.
1879
01:53:13,912 --> 01:53:15,413
We get Atika.
1880
01:53:15,705 --> 01:53:16,372
Ever.
1881
01:53:19,459 --> 01:53:22,796
It didn't have to be that way.
1882
01:54:06,714 --> 01:54:09,217
All eight cases.
1883
01:54:09,300 --> 01:54:13,221
Died of gunshot wounds.
1884
01:54:13,346 --> 01:54:16,266
There was no evidence of slash throats.
1885
01:54:18,017 --> 01:54:21,229
We're sure
1886
01:54:22,438 --> 01:54:26,985
your. The.
1887
01:54:37,620 --> 01:54:39,998
I have never received an apology.
1888
01:54:41,875 --> 01:54:43,751
I've never received an apology,
and for me,
1889
01:54:43,751 --> 01:54:45,753
that's a pretty big deal.
1890
01:54:53,428 --> 01:54:54,220
What is money
1891
01:54:54,220 --> 01:54:57,223
do when you don't have your dad
1892
01:54:57,223 --> 01:55:00,059
or your brother or your uncle who?
1893
01:55:02,770 --> 01:55:05,398
How does that replace anything?
1894
01:55:05,732 --> 01:55:08,526
And I think it was the state's
way of saying,
1895
01:55:09,819 --> 01:55:13,907
we're going to give you this money
and we want you to go away and.
1896
01:55:17,660 --> 01:55:20,997
This is my.
1897
01:55:21,748 --> 01:55:23,791
True.
1898
01:55:25,418 --> 01:55:26,628
Well, she.
1899
01:55:29,047 --> 01:55:30,965
He threw
1900
01:55:30,965 --> 01:55:35,011
for nearly 30 years, former Attica
inmates have waited for justice.
1901
01:55:35,762 --> 01:55:38,431
Today, it finally came in the form of a 12
1902
01:55:38,431 --> 01:55:41,059
million dollar settlement.
1903
01:55:42,435 --> 01:55:47,023
Be. There's no justice.
1904
01:55:48,942 --> 01:55:50,985
All we got was money
1905
01:55:50,985 --> 01:55:53,446
and money wasn't enough.
1906
01:55:53,446 --> 01:55:56,157
Then you can't justify all the killings
that happened in Attica.
1907
01:55:56,783 --> 01:55:58,493
You can't justify that.
1908
01:55:58,493 --> 01:55:59,535
So there's no justice.
1909
01:55:59,535 --> 01:56:02,080
There is no justice.
1910
01:56:04,207 --> 01:56:07,126
We shall.
1911
01:56:08,211 --> 01:56:11,714
Be. And.
1912
01:56:15,802 --> 01:56:18,388
They might.
1913
01:56:19,555 --> 01:56:21,516
True.
1914
01:56:23,142 --> 01:56:25,728
Well, I'm sure.
1915
01:56:26,854 --> 01:56:30,066
Me, too,
1916
01:56:30,066 --> 01:56:32,610
do so.
1917
01:56:38,825 --> 01:56:40,994
And. Be.
1918
01:56:49,293 --> 01:56:55,174
You. Some
1919
01:56:55,174 --> 01:57:13,943
foolish. Oh.
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