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[ Crickets chirping ]
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-Tonight, as the Lady Ghislaine
lay at berth,
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the gathering of
Robert Maxwell's family
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was completed.
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Ghislaine Maxwell joined her
mother and elder brother Philip
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aboard the yacht along with
senior police officers
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and translators.
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-So after Robert Maxwell's
death,
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everyone found out about
the pension funds.
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-The Maxwell name was dirt.
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-For Ghislaine, that's when
her world fell apart.
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-Ghislaine Maxwell arrived
on the shores of New York
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devastated by
her father's death.
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-Nobody was there.
Nobody saw.
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So you'll never be sure
of exactly what took place.
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The only thing I'm sure of is
that he did not commit suicide.
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-For Ghislaine it was like,
"Right, I've got to survive."
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So she set her sights on finding
a daddy replacement.
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And then it turned from
a fairytale into a nightmare.
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-Ghislaine fled to New York
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because of the media storm
surrounding her family.
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[ Camera shutters clicking ]
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It was kind of an obvious choice
for her...
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...sort of, like, the next kind
of city that I would be able
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to compare to
somewhere like London.
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Very metropolitan,
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and she was very in
with the Americans.
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And I think the Americans
sort of embraced that.
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-It's great. I can, uh...
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I have my friends
and I can lead my life,
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and people don't come up
and say,
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"So how are you feeling?"
you know?
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"So you okay?
How are you doing?
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It's -- I mean, other people's
lives are very interesting, too.
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I like to have the opportunity
to ask them questions.
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I don't always like to
be the one
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that people are
asking the questions of.
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[ Horn honks ]
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-New York was
the ideal place to go
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because it was seen as somewhere
you can reinvent yourself,
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that, actually, New Yorkers
don't care about your background
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or your scandal.
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If you've got money,
and you've got influence,
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that's all they care about.
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-I remember meeting Ghislaine
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with mutual friends
at a nightclub.
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I was struck immediately
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by her sort of amazing,
incandescent charm,
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self-deprecating humor,
bright as hell.
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We were drinking and dancing,
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and I just thought, "Whoa!
This girl is really fun.
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I hope I get to see her again."
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-I've known Ghislaine
since the '90s.
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I mean, the '90s as a whole --
it was just a debauchery.
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It was the lead-up
to millennium,
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and everyone was having
a wild time.
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Ghislaine always struck me as
someone that was very, like,
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full of life, very confident,
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you know, fun, outgoing,
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and was always, like, jetting
around somewhere fabulous.
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She always had this kind of
air of mystery about her.
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She never gave away too much,
but she gave away enough
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that you kinda wanted
to find out more.
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-I met Ghislaine at a party --
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well-dressed, not spectacularly
memorable, not overly sexy.
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I'm standing with my wife,
and Ghislaine came over,
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and we spoke for about a second
and she said,
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"You know, if you lost
10 pounds, I'd fuck you."
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I think she was an opportunist,
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and I think she did
what pleased her in the moment.
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-With Ghislaine, definitely
there was a side to her
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where she really enjoyed
telling, like,
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dirty jokes
and things like that.
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-She would, like,
demonstrate certain things.
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[ Laughing ]
I can't say it.
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She would demonstrate
how to do a blow job.
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-She came across
as this raunchy extrovert,
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and you got the feeling would've
done anything to please a man.
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-She invited me
up to her apartment.
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She was living in the east 60s
in Manhattan at that point
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in a small apartment
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with white walls
and very unadorned.
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She wasn't living, you know,
at the Plaza Hotel.
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It was not a fancy environment.
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I got the impression at the time
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that the consequences
of her father's death
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was that she had no money
and that her mother
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was dealing with financial
terrible reversals.
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-The shares which were really
the value
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of my husband's fortune
have collapsed.
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And from whatever was there,
now at zero.
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I have, myself, no money at all.
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-I subsequently learned that
Ghislaine had a trust fund.
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-She had a meager trust fund,
but for Ghislaine,
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someone who moved in the social
circles
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and wanted to attend the best
parties and travel around,
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she needed someone
with real money.
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And Jeffery Epstein was gonna be
that benefactor to her.
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-It's been incorrectly reported
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that Ghislaine
and Jeffrey Epstein first met
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when Ghislaine came to America.
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And that's been in error.
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Way before she came to America.
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-So her father dies
around November of '91.
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And then, it's just a few weeks
after he dies,
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she seems to be associating
with Epstein publicly.
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-Ghislaine set her sights
on Jeffrey Epstein,
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who could give her the lifestyle
that she'd become accustomed to.
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-The men that
she tended to be around --
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I mean, I don't know if they
were all corrupt.
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But Epstein and her father --
I mean, those would be two men
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that had that kind of
terrible moral compass.
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-Jeffery wanted to get in
that world of financial fraud.
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He viewed it as a place
where hecould capitalize,
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and that's exactly what he did.
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-And so Epstein hooks up with
a real bona fide Ponzi artist
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named Steven Hoffenberg.
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I don't know if you've spoken
to him, but he's --
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he's an entertaining character.
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-I was charged with
securities violations,
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obstruction of justice,
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tax violations, mail fraud,
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activities of misconduct
that I pled guilty to.
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-Hoffenberg pled guilty
to fraud,
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admitting that he cheated
investors
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out of nearly half a billion
dollars.
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He'll now have to pay as much
restitution as he can
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to those taken in
in his Ponzi scheme.
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-It was one of
the biggest Ponzi schemes
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recorded at that time
in U.S. history, yes.
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I suffered 18 years
in federal prison
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without exposing the crimes
of Jeffrey Epstein.
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And in my opinion,
he stole over $100 million
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from Towers Financial.
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-As Jeffrey Epstein is wont to
do, he avoided investigation.
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He avoided any sort of scrutiny
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for his behavior
in that Ponzi scheme.
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But it is after that that
he seems to have accumulated
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a substantial amount of wealth.
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[ Indistinct talking ]
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-Epstein was going
from one scam to another.
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He was always scamming people
or taking money
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and promoting himself.
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And then he was introduced
to Les Wexner.
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-U.S. retailing billionaire
Leslie Wexner founded L Brands,
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the company behind
Victoria Secret.
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[ Camera shutters clicking ]
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-Wexner hired him.
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And that's what made Jeffrey
a rich man.
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[ Applause ]
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-Epstein worked
as Wexner's money manager,
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but they had a very strangely
close relationship
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and a lot of colleagues
of Wexner's and, you know,
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former friends have
gone on record to talk about
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how strange the whole thing was.
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-Epstein's modus operandi
was deception.
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People raise speculation
about blackmail
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and all this type of stuff.
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Some people believe that
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Epstein stole $100 million
from Wexner.
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-According to the L Brands CEO,
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Epstein misappropriated
millions of dollars from him
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and his foundation.
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-The point about Jeffrey is
there was no tactic
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which he was not willing to use
to get what he wanted.
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-That would have been familiar
to Ghislaine.
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-She knew about dealing with
devious and corrupt men.
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When you grow up with that,
it becomes normal.
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-The townhouse of this guy
that Ghislaine was seeing
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was perhaps described as
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the largest private house
in Manhattan.
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So we were all very intrigued
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to know who this guy was.
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[ Indistinct talking ]
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But I think the first time I met
Jeffrey,
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I ran into them
at an exhibition opening,
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and Ghislaine seemed
very excited
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that she was introducing me
to the guy she was dating.
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And he was wearing faded jeans.
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Everyone else was, you know,
in fancy cocktail attire.
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But it seemed to be
part of his shtick.
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He had this
almost permanent smirk,
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as if he was sosuccessful
and such a big deal,
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and it was kind of a privilege
for you to be meeting him.
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[ Indistinct talking ]
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-What Ghislaine would've offered
him
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was entrée to the world
he wanted.
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-This is a guy who often came
across to some of her friends
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as an idiot, okay,
by the things he said.
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They knew Jeffery had money,
but his appearance,
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the way he talked,
his social graces
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were completely below
Ghislaine Maxwell.
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She wanted to make him over.
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She viewed him
as something of a project.
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-Whether she was in love
with Epstein or not,
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she was certainly
very infatuated by him,
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drawn to him,
and she wanted to be his wife.
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-During that time
when I did first meet her,
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they really seemed like
a couple.
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And they seemed, like,
very, very happy together.
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I remember thinking
I was always surprised,
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like, they never got married.
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She was the butterfly.
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She was the one bringing people
in for him, almost in a way.
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And then I suppose he turned
that into business contacts.
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[ Music thumping ]
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-Come on in. Go inside.
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-I wrote an article
for "Mother Jones"
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where I called every person
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in Jeffrey Epstein's
little black book.
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I saw a screenshot of it,
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and I noticed that
it was un-redacted,
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so I just checked some really
dark, awful corners
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of the Internet and I found it.
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It has like 1,500 names.
257
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There were princes, CEOs,
258
00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:16,682
Nobel Prize winners,
celebrities.
259
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It was a really sort of
good cross section
260
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of the global elite.
261
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:26,233
Donald Trump is in there,
262
00:17:26,275 --> 00:17:28,402
Prince Andrew, obviously.
263
00:17:32,865 --> 00:17:36,202
But a lot of the people
I called in the book
264
00:17:36,243 --> 00:17:38,704
had only ever met Maxwell.
265
00:17:40,498 --> 00:17:42,083
-I mean, I think that probably
266
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most of the people
in the black book
267
00:17:43,417 --> 00:17:46,379
were her connections
and her entrée.
268
00:17:48,923 --> 00:17:53,010
Her father had the biggest
newspaper group in England,
269
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you know, so she knew everyone.
270
00:17:58,224 --> 00:18:01,018
-Jeffrey Epstein sort of
inherits that.
271
00:18:01,060 --> 00:18:03,312
Without Ghislaine Maxwell,
he never would have climbed
272
00:18:03,354 --> 00:18:07,858
to the upper echelons
of society.
273
00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:16,450
**
274
00:18:16,492 --> 00:18:20,705
-It was clear that
her attraction to Jeffery
275
00:18:20,746 --> 00:18:22,623
was profound.
276
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Whether it was romantic, sexual,
or transactional is just --
277
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you know, I cannot know.
278
00:18:32,758 --> 00:18:34,885
I never saw them being
particularly
279
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demonstrative physically.
280
00:18:38,973 --> 00:18:41,767
-What Ghislaine wanted
was security.
281
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Obviously if he married her,
that gave her immense security.
282
00:18:45,813 --> 00:18:48,733
But the sense of them both,
I feel,
283
00:18:48,774 --> 00:18:51,736
is that it was always going to
be an arrangement.
284
00:18:53,738 --> 00:18:56,824
-One person who knew them both
pretty well, you know,
285
00:18:56,866 --> 00:18:59,035
described to me as
this really toxic,
286
00:18:59,076 --> 00:19:01,746
almost middle school
on-again, off-again,
287
00:19:01,787 --> 00:19:04,957
codependency, jealousy
sort of thing.
288
00:19:04,999 --> 00:19:07,668
I didn't get the picture of like
this wholesome, you know,
289
00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:10,463
fulfilling relationship
for either of them.
290
00:19:11,672 --> 00:19:15,217
-Out of the blue,
I got a call from Ghislaine.
291
00:19:15,259 --> 00:19:16,927
Her mother was coming
to New York,
292
00:19:16,969 --> 00:19:20,056
and she wanted to introduce her
to all of her closest friends,
293
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which included me at the time.
294
00:19:22,224 --> 00:19:27,313
And the invitation was
to go to the townhouse.
295
00:19:27,355 --> 00:19:32,651
So it was in Jeffrey's house,
but he didn't seem to be there.
296
00:19:32,693 --> 00:19:35,071
[ Indistinct talking ]
297
00:19:35,112 --> 00:19:39,116
I remember a strange thing
about this party.
298
00:19:39,158 --> 00:19:41,452
It was a cocktail party,
so I was moving around the room
299
00:19:41,494 --> 00:19:43,454
and talking to friends,
300
00:19:43,496 --> 00:19:46,332
and I kept on hearing it
from different people --
301
00:19:46,374 --> 00:19:49,085
people saying, "It's kind of
weird, you know.
302
00:19:49,126 --> 00:19:52,171
Ghislaine's dating this guy,
Jeffrey Epstein.
303
00:19:52,213 --> 00:19:55,466
Apparently he's very successful.
304
00:19:55,508 --> 00:19:59,345
But the weird thing is
apparently he likes
305
00:19:59,387 --> 00:20:02,807
sort of younger girls."
306
00:20:02,848 --> 00:20:06,435
And I remember hearing
at the time that
307
00:20:06,477 --> 00:20:12,149
Ghislaine is always
trying to please him.
308
00:20:12,191 --> 00:20:17,655
And so she's introducing him
to schoolgirls.
309
00:20:19,073 --> 00:20:21,909
I just thought it was
really kind of odd.
310
00:20:21,951 --> 00:20:27,331
**
311
00:20:27,373 --> 00:20:32,712
**
312
00:20:32,753 --> 00:20:37,842
-I truly wonder what Ghislaine's
first instinct was
313
00:20:37,883 --> 00:20:42,096
when she learned about
Jeffery's dark secret.
314
00:20:42,138 --> 00:20:48,060
**
315
00:20:48,102 --> 00:20:51,272
Because what is part of history
is that
316
00:20:51,313 --> 00:20:54,191
Ghislaine didn't run away.
317
00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:56,861
She didn't flee.
318
00:20:56,902 --> 00:21:01,407
She didn't drop him like a hot
potato and go back to England.
319
00:21:01,449 --> 00:21:03,117
She stayed with him.
320
00:21:05,619 --> 00:21:07,413
-I think Ghislaine stayed
with Jeffrey
321
00:21:07,455 --> 00:21:10,166
because that had become her
life,
322
00:21:10,207 --> 00:21:15,046
and she saw herself as this
kind of all-powerful partner
323
00:21:15,087 --> 00:21:17,173
to this powerful man.
324
00:21:19,925 --> 00:21:24,722
-I would say that Ghislaine
fell under Jeffery's spell
325
00:21:24,764 --> 00:21:27,433
and was willing to do anything
for him.
326
00:21:27,475 --> 00:21:32,897
**
327
00:21:32,938 --> 00:21:36,442
But he had an insatiable
sexual appetite.
328
00:21:39,612 --> 00:21:42,114
She could not satisfy him
that way,
329
00:21:42,156 --> 00:21:44,075
and that's why
she brought in others.
330
00:21:44,116 --> 00:21:51,624
**
331
00:21:51,665 --> 00:21:55,044
And the women were young.
332
00:21:55,086 --> 00:22:02,843
**
333
00:22:06,597 --> 00:22:15,898
**
334
00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:19,819
-Jeffrey became really
interested in young girls
335
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:21,612
from the
New York Academy of Art.
336
00:22:21,654 --> 00:22:27,952
**
337
00:22:27,993 --> 00:22:31,372
-Ghislaine was always there
at the art shows,
338
00:22:31,414 --> 00:22:34,375
sort of scoping out people.
339
00:22:35,084 --> 00:22:36,585
She knew what Jeffrey liked.
340
00:22:36,627 --> 00:22:38,212
Like, she knew
the physical type.
341
00:22:38,254 --> 00:22:42,341
**
342
00:22:42,383 --> 00:22:46,929
Maria Farmer was graduating from
the New York Academy of Art.
343
00:22:49,515 --> 00:22:54,061
She had painted pictures of her
of pre-pubescent younger sister
344
00:22:54,103 --> 00:22:55,730
that Jeffrey saw.
345
00:22:57,189 --> 00:23:00,776
-So Jeffrey bought the painting
the night of my graduation.
346
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,158
I end up being introduced
to Jeffrey and Ghislaine,
347
00:23:07,199 --> 00:23:09,285
and he went to shake my hand,
and he said,
348
00:23:09,326 --> 00:23:12,079
"You're so talented.
I love your painting."
349
00:23:12,121 --> 00:23:20,421
**
350
00:23:20,463 --> 00:23:22,089
I am an artist,
351
00:23:22,131 --> 00:23:26,719
and I was a painter in New York
for many years.
352
00:23:26,761 --> 00:23:29,847
-Okay.
-Okay, so we are still rolling.
353
00:23:29,889 --> 00:23:35,436
-Okay, so basically
this is Ghislaine Maxwell.
354
00:23:35,478 --> 00:23:39,190
And here's Jeffrey Epstein.
355
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,362
[ Sighs ]
356
00:23:44,403 --> 00:23:47,198
After meeting them,
357
00:23:47,239 --> 00:23:50,284
I just remember thinking they
were kind of a weird couple.
358
00:23:50,326 --> 00:23:52,078
Like, I thought
they were strange.
359
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,289
Jeffrey was all smiley and
a little bit too much, you know?
360
00:23:55,331 --> 00:23:59,293
Very gregarious, like, warm,
affable guy.
361
00:23:59,335 --> 00:24:02,296
And she was just kind of
standing there, you know,
362
00:24:02,338 --> 00:24:04,131
pretending to be nice.
363
00:24:04,173 --> 00:24:13,724
**
364
00:24:13,766 --> 00:24:17,228
So the next interaction, I get
a call from Jeffrey Epstein,
365
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:20,147
and he wanted me to meet him
in his office the next morning.
366
00:24:22,525 --> 00:24:27,530
I showed up, and he's created
a job for me.
367
00:24:27,571 --> 00:24:31,992
He moved a big white desk
into the 71st Street mansion,
368
00:24:32,034 --> 00:24:35,162
and that was my job then,
was to watch that door.
369
00:24:37,415 --> 00:24:41,210
I had a big white book,
and I signed people in.
370
00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:46,298
I gleaned a lot
about the way they behaved.
371
00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:47,591
It was very strange.
372
00:24:47,633 --> 00:24:50,803
They recorded everyone
who ever came and went.
373
00:24:52,805 --> 00:24:57,309
Jeffrey showed me the room where
he had all the video cameras.
374
00:24:57,351 --> 00:24:58,978
And he just gave me
a little tour.
375
00:24:59,019 --> 00:25:00,896
He was very proud of it.
376
00:25:03,232 --> 00:25:05,109
But they told me
that they were married,
377
00:25:05,151 --> 00:25:07,361
and so that's why I felt
comfortable with them,
378
00:25:07,403 --> 00:25:09,572
because I believed they were
a married couple
379
00:25:09,613 --> 00:25:13,075
that really were into
philanthropy and education.
380
00:25:16,287 --> 00:25:19,248
Ghislaine was predominantly
in charge of everything,
381
00:25:19,290 --> 00:25:21,208
'cause she's the one who
determined, like,
382
00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:23,961
what his appointments were.
383
00:25:24,962 --> 00:25:28,674
She was the one
marching people upstairs --
384
00:25:28,716 --> 00:25:29,759
adults, you know?
385
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,802
People coming in.
386
00:25:31,844 --> 00:25:34,346
And then a lot of children.
387
00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:40,478
Always little girls, you know.
388
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:45,107
And she said they were modeling
for all kinds of companies.
389
00:25:45,149 --> 00:25:51,238
**
390
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,533
And then they had all these
dignitaries coming and going
391
00:25:54,575 --> 00:25:58,245
and presidents, and, yeah.
392
00:25:58,287 --> 00:26:06,253
**
393
00:26:06,295 --> 00:26:09,548
There were a couple times
where girls cried.
394
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:12,593
And one time I remember a little
girl in her skirt,
395
00:26:12,635 --> 00:26:14,553
like, teenager --
braces, the whole thing --
396
00:26:14,595 --> 00:26:16,597
crying, coming downstairs.
397
00:26:16,639 --> 00:26:20,059
Ghislaine said,
"Maria, she didn't get the job.
398
00:26:20,101 --> 00:26:22,103
Victoria's Secret --
it's a tough business.
399
00:26:22,144 --> 00:26:23,604
Modeling is a tough business."
400
00:26:23,646 --> 00:26:25,064
She was very, very cold.
401
00:26:25,106 --> 00:26:29,151
She was very glamorous
and cold and vicious.
402
00:26:30,528 --> 00:26:32,029
Ghislaine was very moody
403
00:26:32,071 --> 00:26:35,282
and terribly materialistic.
404
00:26:35,324 --> 00:26:38,953
She loved shopping,
and she loved exercising.
405
00:26:38,994 --> 00:26:42,415
She would go rollerblading
for hours,
406
00:26:42,456 --> 00:26:44,125
and then she would get that high
and come back
407
00:26:44,166 --> 00:26:45,418
and be in a really good mood.
408
00:26:45,459 --> 00:26:49,463
And then like that,
she would turn.
409
00:26:49,505 --> 00:26:52,258
[ Clock ticking ]
410
00:26:52,299 --> 00:26:56,387
Every day at 3:30,
she would shift.
411
00:26:56,429 --> 00:26:58,347
She was just screaming orders
at me
412
00:26:58,389 --> 00:27:01,308
and screaming orders at the chef
or the maids,
413
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:03,853
and she would run out the door.
414
00:27:05,312 --> 00:27:08,357
At the time I was like, "What is
going on with this person?"
415
00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:12,153
**
416
00:27:12,194 --> 00:27:14,989
She would go out and find
the nubiles
417
00:27:15,031 --> 00:27:18,034
that she said were models
that were really girls
418
00:27:18,075 --> 00:27:20,578
that she was procuring
for Jeffrey.
419
00:27:23,164 --> 00:27:26,042
And she would go do this by
going after school
420
00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:28,335
to Central Park.
421
00:27:28,377 --> 00:27:33,257
**
422
00:27:33,299 --> 00:27:37,053
I did ride with her and saw
how she did this
423
00:27:37,094 --> 00:27:38,596
in the limousine...
424
00:27:41,724 --> 00:27:44,685
...and saw her spotting a girl
in a uniform,
425
00:27:44,727 --> 00:27:48,856
and I saw her pop out --
jump out of the car
426
00:27:48,898 --> 00:27:51,317
and go get
that girl's phone number.
427
00:27:52,443 --> 00:27:55,446
You know,
this was before cellphones.
428
00:27:55,488 --> 00:27:56,781
It was terrifying.
429
00:27:56,822 --> 00:27:58,366
Can you imagine being
the parents, and your kids
430
00:27:58,407 --> 00:28:01,327
are walking home and they're --
oh, my God.
431
00:28:04,205 --> 00:28:08,084
I quit many times
because of Ghislaine,
432
00:28:08,125 --> 00:28:11,670
and Jeffrey would always
talk me back into staying.
433
00:28:11,712 --> 00:28:15,591
One time he said,
"I've talked to Abigail Wexner,
434
00:28:15,633 --> 00:28:18,636
and she said she would be
delighted to have you.
435
00:28:18,677 --> 00:28:21,806
She wants an artist-in-residence
on the property.
436
00:28:21,847 --> 00:28:24,475
You can have all the room in
the world to do your paintings."
437
00:28:24,517 --> 00:28:26,602
So I thought,
"What an amazing opportunity.
438
00:28:26,644 --> 00:28:29,188
These people -- you know,
they're patrons of the arts.
439
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:31,399
They have Picassos.
This is great.
440
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,234
This is gonna be
a wonderful experience."
441
00:28:33,275 --> 00:28:36,445
And it was nota wonderful --
it ruined my life.
442
00:28:36,487 --> 00:28:41,534
It was the very experience
that ruined my life.
443
00:28:41,575 --> 00:28:49,166
**
444
00:28:49,208 --> 00:28:51,335
I go to this estate in Ohio
445
00:28:51,377 --> 00:28:55,005
in this old Ryder truck
with all my art supplies.
446
00:28:55,047 --> 00:29:02,972
**
447
00:29:03,013 --> 00:29:05,808
So when I was
on the Wexner estate,
448
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:08,644
Ghislaine and Jeffrey
came on three occasions
449
00:29:08,686 --> 00:29:12,648
to visit over the summer.
450
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:17,278
And, one time, I was in
the room, I was reading.
451
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:22,658
It was late in the evening.
452
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:27,288
In comes Ghislaine Maxwell.
453
00:29:27,329 --> 00:29:29,165
She has on a robe,
and I thought that was weird,
454
00:29:29,206 --> 00:29:30,583
because I had never
seen her in a robe.
455
00:29:30,624 --> 00:29:32,293
It made me very nervous.
456
00:29:32,334 --> 00:29:33,711
It made me feel --
my stomach hurt.
457
00:29:33,753 --> 00:29:39,717
Because, why is she being
intimate like this?
458
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,386
She comes to get me to take me
into Jeffrey's room.
459
00:29:42,428 --> 00:29:45,306
And I remember, I had
never been in that room.
460
00:29:45,347 --> 00:29:48,809
They always said
it was off-limits.
461
00:29:48,851 --> 00:29:50,811
And, so, I'm in there
462
00:29:50,853 --> 00:29:55,900
and Jeffrey's watching
a PBS show on math.
463
00:29:55,941 --> 00:29:58,277
And he goes "rub my foot."
464
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:00,863
And she's like, "Rub Jeffrey's
foot right now.
465
00:30:00,905 --> 00:30:05,785
His feet are hurting".
466
00:30:05,826 --> 00:30:08,162
And he goes, "Here,"
and he pats the bed,
467
00:30:08,204 --> 00:30:10,623
and he wanted me to
sit down beside him.
468
00:30:10,664 --> 00:30:13,667
Ghislaine looks at me, and
she sits next to me on the bed,
469
00:30:13,709 --> 00:30:19,090
and she lies down.
470
00:30:19,131 --> 00:30:22,635
They, um, began
assaulting me together.
471
00:30:22,676 --> 00:30:26,806
And, uh, I really
blocked out a lot of it.
472
00:30:26,847 --> 00:30:28,349
[ Sighs ]
473
00:30:28,391 --> 00:30:29,934
I don't remember it.
474
00:30:29,975 --> 00:30:32,686
I just remember, you know,
not being very comfortable,
475
00:30:32,728 --> 00:30:41,821
and I remember
looking at the ceiling.
476
00:30:41,862 --> 00:30:45,533
And so really, at that point,
477
00:30:45,574 --> 00:30:47,535
it doesn't matter physically
what's happening to me.
478
00:30:47,576 --> 00:30:49,036
I'm not saying it doesn't count,
479
00:30:49,078 --> 00:30:56,752
but compared to everything else,
it didn't matter to me.
480
00:30:56,794 --> 00:31:01,215
I started crying.
481
00:31:01,257 --> 00:31:03,426
It felt very mechanical
and very bizarre,
482
00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:05,052
what was happening to me.
483
00:31:05,094 --> 00:31:12,476
And, um, and from that point on,
I have not been the same person.
484
00:31:12,518 --> 00:31:20,151
**
485
00:31:20,192 --> 00:31:27,825
**
486
00:31:27,867 --> 00:31:31,746
After I was assaulted
on the Wexner estate,
487
00:31:31,787 --> 00:31:34,331
I didn't know what to do,
but I thought,
488
00:31:34,373 --> 00:31:36,959
"Well, I'll just
go back to New York."
489
00:31:37,001 --> 00:31:46,427
**
490
00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:49,430
I went to the police first.
491
00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:51,849
The chief of police told me
to call the FBI,
492
00:31:51,891 --> 00:31:55,436
and he gave me the phone number.
493
00:31:55,478 --> 00:31:59,357
I called and I spoke for
about 45 minutes to this man,
494
00:31:59,398 --> 00:32:02,568
and he seemed very unfazed
by everything I said,
495
00:32:02,610 --> 00:32:08,699
and I said a lot of
big, heavy things.
496
00:32:08,741 --> 00:32:13,120
I asked the FBI to do their job,
and they never did it.
497
00:32:13,162 --> 00:32:18,042
I gave them everything,
and I gave it to them in 1996.
498
00:32:18,084 --> 00:32:23,422
It makes me crazy!
499
00:32:23,464 --> 00:32:24,799
After I returned to New York,
500
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,552
Ghislaine Maxwell was
calling and harassing me,
501
00:32:28,594 --> 00:32:31,722
through others as well.
502
00:32:31,764 --> 00:32:33,682
Through Ghislaine, someone
called and threatened me
503
00:32:33,724 --> 00:32:38,646
and said that I should've
never spoken to the FBI.
504
00:32:38,688 --> 00:32:44,652
And I had never told anyone,
so that scared me.
505
00:32:44,694 --> 00:32:50,491
And then one day Ghislaine
called me screaming at me.
506
00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:53,160
She threatened
my family's safety.
507
00:32:53,202 --> 00:32:55,538
She threatened to
burn our house down.
508
00:32:55,579 --> 00:32:57,540
She threatened
to burn my career.
509
00:32:57,581 --> 00:33:02,002
I mean, there were numerous
threats made against my life.
510
00:33:02,044 --> 00:33:09,635
**
511
00:33:09,677 --> 00:33:11,929
Until I experienced the assault,
512
00:33:11,971 --> 00:33:18,561
I had this great amount
of respect for Jeffrey,
513
00:33:18,602 --> 00:33:22,106
and I had no idea that he
was harming people, so it was --
514
00:33:22,148 --> 00:33:23,441
he had a long way to fall,
515
00:33:23,482 --> 00:33:24,984
'cause I'd put him
up on this pedestal,
516
00:33:25,026 --> 00:33:28,612
but I wouldn't have put
anything past Ghislaine,
517
00:33:28,654 --> 00:33:32,366
'cause at that point,
I saw what she was.
518
00:33:32,408 --> 00:33:34,201
She's a monster.
519
00:33:34,243 --> 00:33:40,332
**
520
00:33:43,461 --> 00:33:45,588
**
521
00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:48,382
-Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell
522
00:33:48,424 --> 00:33:55,765
were cast, in this horrific
sense, from this same mold.
523
00:33:55,806 --> 00:33:59,477
And the two of them were living
between these two worlds
524
00:33:59,518 --> 00:34:04,398
of New York and Palm Beach,
525
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,026
between high society
526
00:34:07,068 --> 00:34:12,990
and this very dark
world of Jeffrey's web.
527
00:34:13,032 --> 00:34:20,289
**
528
00:34:20,331 --> 00:34:27,797
**
529
00:34:27,838 --> 00:34:29,840
[ Seagulls caw ]
530
00:34:29,882 --> 00:34:36,138
-We now know Epstein utilized
his jet to travel back and forth
531
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:38,933
and started to use
the same techniques
532
00:34:38,974 --> 00:34:45,064
he was using in New York
down here in South Florida.
533
00:34:45,106 --> 00:34:47,525
And Ghislaine Maxwell
was essentially working
534
00:34:47,566 --> 00:34:51,862
as a house madam for Epstein
in Palm Beach.
535
00:34:51,904 --> 00:35:01,372
**
536
00:35:01,414 --> 00:35:02,873
-The first time
I went to Florida
537
00:35:02,915 --> 00:35:05,835
with Jeffrey and Ghislaine,
I was working for them,
538
00:35:05,876 --> 00:35:09,004
and Ghislaine typically
would get up and exercise,
539
00:35:09,046 --> 00:35:17,555
like go swimming,
and then she would shop,
540
00:35:17,596 --> 00:35:20,141
and then she would make
appointments for Jeffrey.
541
00:35:20,182 --> 00:35:24,812
You know, for massages.
542
00:35:24,854 --> 00:35:31,736
**
543
00:35:31,777 --> 00:35:33,738
[ Birds chirping ]
544
00:35:33,779 --> 00:35:36,574
-Well, I don't know how she
spent her days in Palm Beach.
545
00:35:36,615 --> 00:35:37,908
But I suspect she
was probably just
546
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:40,411
a very well-paid
personal assistant.
547
00:35:40,453 --> 00:35:42,121
You know?
548
00:35:42,163 --> 00:35:45,624
Did what he needed to have done
and fielded his phone calls,
549
00:35:45,666 --> 00:35:48,794
and I think that she was
just sort of a paid wife.
550
00:35:48,836 --> 00:35:52,631
**
551
00:35:52,673 --> 00:35:53,716
They were here
for the same reason
552
00:35:53,758 --> 00:35:55,885
I think everybody else was.
553
00:35:55,926 --> 00:35:59,472
It's Palm Beach and it's the
place where you want to be,
554
00:35:59,513 --> 00:36:02,516
especially when there's such
horrible and awful winters
555
00:36:02,558 --> 00:36:04,101
in New York.
556
00:36:04,143 --> 00:36:08,814
And also there's
a lot of prestige.
557
00:36:08,856 --> 00:36:10,775
It was always seen
that Palm Beach
558
00:36:10,816 --> 00:36:12,735
was where the wealthy lived.
559
00:36:14,653 --> 00:36:19,200
And West Palm Beach was
where the servants lived.
560
00:36:19,241 --> 00:36:24,705
**
561
00:36:24,747 --> 00:36:25,956
At seven o'clock in the morning,
562
00:36:25,998 --> 00:36:27,625
you can't get
across that bridge.
563
00:36:27,666 --> 00:36:30,294
It's the landscapers and the
household staff and the bankers
564
00:36:30,336 --> 00:36:32,129
and the stockbrokers
that are all coming to work.
565
00:36:32,171 --> 00:36:35,758
And at 3:30, off they go
and then Palm Beachers
566
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,177
have their playpen
back to themselves again.
567
00:36:38,219 --> 00:36:41,555
So they go to parties
or they go out to dinner.
568
00:36:41,597 --> 00:36:49,689
**
569
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:51,899
Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell
570
00:36:51,941 --> 00:36:53,859
really kind of
worked together as a team
571
00:36:53,901 --> 00:36:57,321
to establish this image
in Palm Beach.
572
00:36:57,363 --> 00:37:02,076
**
573
00:37:02,118 --> 00:37:05,830
-Ghislaine and Jeffrey
were out and about
574
00:37:05,871 --> 00:37:08,958
mostly in Mar-a-Lago,
all the time.
575
00:37:08,999 --> 00:37:16,006
**
576
00:37:16,048 --> 00:37:23,055
**
577
00:37:23,097 --> 00:37:29,937
**
578
00:37:29,979 --> 00:37:32,523
-Ghislaine Maxwell would
attend parties and events
579
00:37:32,565 --> 00:37:33,983
with Jeffrey Epstein
580
00:37:34,025 --> 00:37:37,069
where she would approach
young girls in the bathroom,
581
00:37:37,111 --> 00:37:40,364
who were attendants there,
working at Mar-a-Lago.
582
00:37:40,406 --> 00:37:49,749
**
583
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:53,252
-I'm working at Mar-a-Lago
in the spa area,
584
00:37:53,294 --> 00:37:56,088
and that's when
Ghislaine came up to me.
585
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:59,300
She said, "I've got
a person that I know
586
00:37:59,341 --> 00:38:06,015
who's actually looking for
a travelling masseuse.
587
00:38:06,057 --> 00:38:08,976
If he likes you,
we can get you educated,
588
00:38:09,018 --> 00:38:10,728
You'll be a real masseuse,
589
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:15,232
and you'll get to travel
and see the world.
590
00:38:15,274 --> 00:38:20,988
And if you want, I can get you
an interview with him."
591
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:26,243
-What you hear
is a consistent story,
592
00:38:26,285 --> 00:38:34,043
and that is essentially that
Ghislaine seems to be a hunter.
593
00:38:34,085 --> 00:38:37,004
She was out seeking
victims for Epstein,
594
00:38:37,046 --> 00:38:39,465
to bring back that game to him
595
00:38:39,507 --> 00:38:45,346
so that he could feed off of
his depraved nature and desires.
596
00:38:45,388 --> 00:38:49,016
**
597
00:38:49,058 --> 00:38:52,728
-One of the girls said Ghislaine
went to the mall out there,
598
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:54,271
the Wellington Mall.
599
00:38:54,313 --> 00:38:57,108
Or she went to the
Royal Palm Beach Middle School
600
00:38:57,149 --> 00:38:59,276
or Royal Palm Beach High School.
601
00:38:59,318 --> 00:39:02,446
She couldn't prey on girls from
the right side of the tracks,
602
00:39:02,488 --> 00:39:04,490
because the girls at
the right side of the tracks
603
00:39:04,532 --> 00:39:06,867
in Palm Beach, they had nannies.
604
00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:08,786
They had, you know,
stay-at-home mothers.
605
00:39:08,828 --> 00:39:13,624
They had chaperones.
606
00:39:13,666 --> 00:39:17,336
-It's one of those life moments
that I'll never forget.
607
00:39:17,378 --> 00:39:21,465
You know, she made it sound like
it was a dream come true,
608
00:39:21,507 --> 00:39:23,467
and it wasn't.
609
00:39:23,509 --> 00:39:28,806
**
610
00:39:28,848 --> 00:39:34,437
Ghislaine walks me
up the stairs.
611
00:39:34,478 --> 00:39:37,857
There's this naked guy
laying on a massage table
612
00:39:37,898 --> 00:39:40,526
in the middle of the room.
613
00:39:40,568 --> 00:39:42,778
I thought, "Okay, well,
this is just how they do it,
614
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:45,656
I suppose."
615
00:39:45,698 --> 00:39:48,909
We did the back of him,
and then when he turned over,
616
00:39:48,951 --> 00:39:56,417
that's when I was
instructed to, um...
617
00:39:56,459 --> 00:39:58,753
to...
618
00:39:58,794 --> 00:40:00,337
[ Sighs ]
619
00:40:00,379 --> 00:40:03,257
That's when I was
instructed to, um,
620
00:40:03,299 --> 00:40:06,218
get undressed and, um...
621
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:09,638
and have sex
with Jeffrey Epstein.
622
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,102
**
623
00:40:15,144 --> 00:40:20,191
**
624
00:40:20,232 --> 00:40:23,069
Ghislaine Maxwell was
participating as well.
625
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:28,157
**
626
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:32,620
**
627
00:40:32,661 --> 00:40:35,998
-Unfortunately, Ghislaine would
engage and participate
628
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,042
in some of the depraved events
that Jeffrey Epstein
629
00:40:38,084 --> 00:40:43,339
would be engaged in
here in Palm Beach.
630
00:40:43,381 --> 00:40:46,050
And she would
train other young women
631
00:40:46,092 --> 00:40:48,427
to be able to
recruit young girls
632
00:40:48,469 --> 00:40:54,308
and bring them to the home.
633
00:40:54,350 --> 00:40:58,104
-I brought Jeffrey anywhere
from 50 to 70 girls.
634
00:40:58,145 --> 00:41:02,149
**
635
00:41:02,191 --> 00:41:07,071
Just to know that I had
any influence on that happening
636
00:41:07,113 --> 00:41:11,909
to somebody else
just breaks my heart.
637
00:41:11,951 --> 00:41:14,578
-He needed to have girls
on constant call,
638
00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:17,540
in every single state
or every place that he goes to,
639
00:41:17,581 --> 00:41:21,168
he's already got people lined up
and makers making that happen.
640
00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:23,212
**
641
00:41:23,254 --> 00:41:26,173
-I was a baby stuck in a world
642
00:41:26,215 --> 00:41:31,929
where grown-ups were allowed to
do whatever they wanted.
643
00:41:31,971 --> 00:41:36,434
As an adult,
I know it's right to run,
644
00:41:36,475 --> 00:41:39,395
but as a kid, the last
thought that I had was,
645
00:41:39,437 --> 00:41:43,607
"Well, this is
what life's about."
646
00:41:43,649 --> 00:41:45,109
-I just felt like I had to.
647
00:41:45,151 --> 00:41:46,569
I didn't have an option, like,
what was I gonna do?
648
00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:48,988
I was the only one
in the room with him.
649
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:50,489
Like, where was I gonna go?
650
00:41:50,531 --> 00:41:52,033
If I screamed,
who was gonna hear me?
651
00:41:52,074 --> 00:41:53,576
Who was gonna come?
652
00:41:53,617 --> 00:42:00,166
**
653
00:42:00,207 --> 00:42:06,589
**
654
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:08,382
-Ghislaine controlled the girls.
655
00:42:08,424 --> 00:42:09,967
She was like the madame.
656
00:42:10,009 --> 00:42:14,305
She was the nuts and bolts of
the sex trafficking operation.
657
00:42:14,346 --> 00:42:21,645
**
658
00:42:21,687 --> 00:42:24,190
She would always make sure
that the girls were
659
00:42:24,231 --> 00:42:26,484
doing what they were
supposed to be doing.
660
00:42:26,525 --> 00:42:35,534
So this was very much
a joint effort.
661
00:42:35,576 --> 00:42:38,037
-It's my personal opinion
that Ghislaine Maxwell
662
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:39,955
is worse than Jeffrey Epstein.
663
00:42:39,997 --> 00:42:41,999
Here's a girl from
a really large family,
664
00:42:42,041 --> 00:42:44,794
a really close family,
supposedly.
665
00:42:44,835 --> 00:42:47,838
She has nieces of that age.
666
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,301
**
667
00:42:52,343 --> 00:42:55,763
What happened is she has
so dissociated herself
668
00:42:55,805 --> 00:43:03,020
from the lives of these girls
that they were nothing to her.
669
00:43:03,062 --> 00:43:04,563
They were not useful.
670
00:43:04,605 --> 00:43:07,316
They're not seen as real people,
because her whole thing
671
00:43:07,358 --> 00:43:10,778
is about, "Who can help me?
Who can be useful to me?"
672
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:12,905
I find that abhorrent.
673
00:43:12,947 --> 00:43:16,701
**
674
00:43:16,742 --> 00:43:19,412
-Living in that world
of wealth and influence,
675
00:43:19,453 --> 00:43:23,332
you lose complete perspective on
the rest of society
676
00:43:23,374 --> 00:43:25,543
and frankly,
the rest of the world,
677
00:43:25,584 --> 00:43:29,213
and you just think
that you are untouchable.
678
00:43:29,255 --> 00:43:31,507
And that's the way that
Ghislaine Maxwell operated,
679
00:43:31,549 --> 00:43:36,595
and that's the way that
Jeffrey Epstein operated.
680
00:43:36,637 --> 00:43:39,724
And until it all came crashing
down around them,
681
00:43:39,765 --> 00:43:42,518
they appeared that they were
gonna get away with it.
682
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,399
**
683
00:43:48,441 --> 00:43:54,321
**
684
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:03,122
**
685
00:44:03,164 --> 00:44:08,753
**
686
00:44:08,794 --> 00:44:12,173
-Alright.
687
00:44:12,214 --> 00:44:13,841
Thank you so very much
for coming down.
688
00:44:13,883 --> 00:44:15,593
-No problem.
689
00:44:15,634 --> 00:44:17,636
-Their antics
went on for so long
690
00:44:17,678 --> 00:44:20,347
because they lived
under the radar.
691
00:44:20,389 --> 00:44:22,141
-The reason why
I wanted to talk to you
692
00:44:22,183 --> 00:44:24,518
is I am conducting
an ongoing investigation
693
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,439
on a subject by the name
of Jeffrey Epstein.
694
00:44:28,481 --> 00:44:34,445
-The investigation began in 2005
with a tip from a girl's parents
695
00:44:34,487 --> 00:44:37,365
who were worried because
they had found, I think,
696
00:44:37,406 --> 00:44:40,409
$300 in their daughter's pocket
697
00:44:40,451 --> 00:44:44,747
after visiting a mansion
over in Palm Beach proper.
698
00:44:44,789 --> 00:44:52,880
**
699
00:44:52,922 --> 00:44:54,924
-If it had not been for
the mother of the girl
700
00:44:54,965 --> 00:44:57,843
who complained about, "Where did
my daughter get this $300
701
00:44:57,885 --> 00:44:59,178
from a rich man in Palm Beach?"
702
00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:03,641
uh, he would probably
still be doing it.
703
00:45:03,682 --> 00:45:05,935
[ Phone rings ]
704
00:45:05,976 --> 00:45:07,395
- Hello?
705
00:45:07,436 --> 00:45:08,562
- Hi, this isDetective Joe Recarey
706
00:45:08,604 --> 00:45:09,897
from the Palm Beach Police.
707
00:45:09,939 --> 00:45:11,899
- Hi.
- How are you?
708
00:45:11,941 --> 00:45:14,402
**
709
00:45:14,443 --> 00:45:17,279
-Well, they had interviews
with lots of young women,
710
00:45:17,321 --> 00:45:18,656
and they were all on the record
711
00:45:18,698 --> 00:45:22,076
of having sex with him
when they were underage.
712
00:45:22,118 --> 00:45:24,662
-He had a towel over
his private parts
713
00:45:24,704 --> 00:45:29,875
and he was just
laying on a table.
714
00:45:29,917 --> 00:45:32,253
Yeah.
715
00:45:32,294 --> 00:45:35,172
-And each time you went,
did he offer you more monies
716
00:45:35,214 --> 00:45:36,590
to do more things?
717
00:45:36,632 --> 00:45:40,261
-Yes.
718
00:45:40,302 --> 00:45:41,971
-Apparently,
the detective learned
719
00:45:42,012 --> 00:45:45,808
that there were recording
devices in the house.
720
00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:48,269
There were cameras, and so
721
00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:50,271
one of the things that
you almost always do
722
00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:51,689
is you do a search warrant.
723
00:45:51,731 --> 00:45:57,153
**
724
00:45:57,194 --> 00:46:02,867
**
725
00:46:02,908 --> 00:46:04,660
What they noticed immediately
726
00:46:04,702 --> 00:46:06,495
when they went and
did the search warrant,
727
00:46:06,537 --> 00:46:11,208
they noticed that the computers,
the hard drives were missing.
728
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:13,419
They noticed that
with respect to the cameras,
729
00:46:13,461 --> 00:46:18,799
there was no recordings of
what the cameras had shown.
730
00:46:18,841 --> 00:46:21,469
So they figured out
quite quickly
731
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:29,477
that Epstein
had been tipped off.
732
00:46:29,518 --> 00:46:32,104
But what they were able to
find in the search
733
00:46:32,146 --> 00:46:33,773
were written records.
734
00:46:33,814 --> 00:46:38,319
There were records of, sort of,
who they were paying.
735
00:46:38,361 --> 00:46:41,822
One of the girls, they found
736
00:46:41,864 --> 00:46:46,160
a certificate from her
high school with her name on it.
737
00:46:46,202 --> 00:46:54,001
**
738
00:46:54,043 --> 00:46:57,421
-They find all kinds of things.
739
00:46:57,463 --> 00:47:01,967
They find message books,
740
00:47:02,009 --> 00:47:08,557
photographs still on the wall
of naked women.
741
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:11,769
-So, they found various
pieces of documentary evidence
742
00:47:11,811 --> 00:47:13,312
that confirmed
a couple of things.
743
00:47:13,354 --> 00:47:15,439
One, that they were
paying girls,
744
00:47:15,481 --> 00:47:18,025
and two, that the girls
were underage.
745
00:47:18,067 --> 00:47:19,568
**
746
00:47:19,610 --> 00:47:22,446
So they believed that that,
747
00:47:22,488 --> 00:47:25,199
combined with the interviews
that they had done
748
00:47:25,241 --> 00:47:26,534
with the girls,
749
00:47:26,575 --> 00:47:29,537
that they had
a fairly strong case
750
00:47:29,578 --> 00:47:33,249
and that they had a serial
pedophile on their hands.
751
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:35,710
**
752
00:47:35,751 --> 00:47:37,420
-Reclusive billionaire
Jeffrey Epstein,
753
00:47:37,461 --> 00:47:39,797
once labeled one of New York's
most eligible bachelors,
754
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:44,719
was investigated by the
Palm Beach Police for months.
755
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,680
The police conclusion --
Epstein's Palm Beach mansion
756
00:47:47,722 --> 00:47:49,390
was a revolving door for women,
757
00:47:49,432 --> 00:47:52,893
and in some cases,
girls as young as 16,
758
00:47:52,935 --> 00:47:56,772
that according to a voluminous
probable cause affidavit.
759
00:47:56,814 --> 00:47:58,816
**
760
00:47:58,858 --> 00:48:00,860
-They gather all this
evidence together
761
00:48:00,901 --> 00:48:05,740
and essentially, present it
to the state's attorney.
762
00:48:05,781 --> 00:48:07,867
-And ultimately
the State Attorney's office
763
00:48:07,908 --> 00:48:10,453
were going to allow
Jeffrey Epstein
764
00:48:10,494 --> 00:48:11,871
to plead guilty to a misdemeanor
765
00:48:11,912 --> 00:48:15,750
of soliciting minors
for prostitution.
766
00:48:15,791 --> 00:48:19,587
**
767
00:48:19,628 --> 00:48:21,839
-If you have any questions,
I'd like you to call me, too.
768
00:48:21,881 --> 00:48:23,090
-Absolutely. Absolutely.
769
00:48:23,132 --> 00:48:24,967
I have your cell, and
I'll call you direct.
770
00:48:25,009 --> 00:48:28,888
-Well, these girls were about as
far removed from prostitution
771
00:48:28,929 --> 00:48:30,473
as you can get.
772
00:48:30,514 --> 00:48:35,186
So, the Palm Beach police
were very upset
773
00:48:35,227 --> 00:48:40,024
with the charging decisions that
the state attorneys were making.
774
00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:46,280
So they went over to
the FBI and they said,
775
00:48:46,322 --> 00:48:49,116
"Look, we have
an individual here
776
00:48:49,158 --> 00:48:58,584
who's a serial child molester,
if you will, of young girls."
777
00:48:58,626 --> 00:49:01,629
-The FBI comes in at that point,
778
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:03,005
and then they begin
investigating
779
00:49:03,047 --> 00:49:05,633
not only Jeffrey Epstein,
but Ms. Maxwell,
780
00:49:05,674 --> 00:49:09,261
in regards to her part
in this entire process.
781
00:49:09,303 --> 00:49:13,516
**
782
00:49:13,557 --> 00:49:16,811
The FBI begins to see
this web of other people
783
00:49:16,852 --> 00:49:22,108
that are involved in this
conspiracy to abuse young girls.
784
00:49:22,149 --> 00:49:26,153
One of those people,
at the top of this pyramid,
785
00:49:26,195 --> 00:49:31,826
is Ghislaine Maxwell.
786
00:49:31,867 --> 00:49:34,704
-So the FBI in Miami took it
to Alexander Acosta,
787
00:49:34,745 --> 00:49:36,997
who was the U.S. attorney
in Miami.
788
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:44,213
**
789
00:49:44,255 --> 00:49:51,429
**
790
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:54,515
-The Feds didn't prosecute him.
791
00:49:54,557 --> 00:49:55,766
That's no deal.
792
00:49:55,808 --> 00:50:01,355
The Feds did nothing!
They did nothing!
793
00:50:01,397 --> 00:50:02,815
-Would you raise
your right hand?
794
00:50:02,857 --> 00:50:04,358
-Yes.
795
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,609
-Do you solemnly swear the
testimony you are about to give
796
00:50:05,651 --> 00:50:06,902
will be the truth,
the whole truth,
797
00:50:06,944 --> 00:50:08,237
and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
798
00:50:08,279 --> 00:50:10,239
-Yes, I do.
799
00:50:10,281 --> 00:50:15,327
So the federal non-prosecution
agreement basically said,
800
00:50:15,369 --> 00:50:18,831
"Epstein, you bad boy!
801
00:50:18,873 --> 00:50:21,542
By the way, if you plead guilty
to those state charges,
802
00:50:21,584 --> 00:50:22,835
we'll go away."
803
00:50:22,877 --> 00:50:24,378
-Could you please
give us your name?
804
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:27,214
-Jeffrey Epstein.
805
00:50:27,256 --> 00:50:28,883
-The worst part about the FBI is
806
00:50:28,924 --> 00:50:32,053
they never told us
that they settled with him.
807
00:50:32,094 --> 00:50:34,472
We did not know
he was given a deal.
808
00:50:34,513 --> 00:50:36,348
I-I can't even believe
that happened.
809
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:38,392
I mean, it's shocking.
810
00:50:38,434 --> 00:50:45,733
**
811
00:50:45,775 --> 00:50:50,654
-So, he did plead guilty
to state charges
812
00:50:50,696 --> 00:50:53,491
of recruiting minors
for prostitution.
813
00:50:53,532 --> 00:50:57,912
**
814
00:50:57,953 --> 00:51:00,748
-Jeffrey Epstein went to jail
just before 10:00 this morning.
815
00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:03,876
He pleaded guilty in open court.
816
00:51:03,918 --> 00:51:06,629
The guilty plea and deal
end a years-long process
817
00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:09,590
that could've sent Epstein
to jail for 15 years.
818
00:51:09,632 --> 00:51:11,717
**
819
00:51:11,759 --> 00:51:18,307
-Epstein is given
15 months in jail.
820
00:51:18,349 --> 00:51:27,233
The deal that they made was
the dumbest deal in history.
821
00:51:27,274 --> 00:51:31,779
-Not only is it a sweetheart
deal, he got rewarded.
822
00:51:31,821 --> 00:51:33,781
How did he get rewarded?
823
00:51:33,823 --> 00:51:41,580
He got immunity for
named and unnamed people.
824
00:51:41,622 --> 00:51:44,542
**
825
00:51:44,583 --> 00:51:48,587
Well, how the heck
does that happen?
826
00:51:48,629 --> 00:51:51,048
-Ghislaine Maxwell was
definitely a part of
827
00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:53,843
the original investigation
by the FBI.
828
00:51:53,884 --> 00:51:56,846
So, we know that she was
intimately involved
829
00:51:56,887 --> 00:51:58,347
in the thoughts and processes
830
00:51:58,389 --> 00:52:00,641
of how this ultimate
sweetheart deal was negotiated
831
00:52:00,683 --> 00:52:08,816
to provide immunity to unnamed
co-conspirators like Ghislaine.
832
00:52:08,858 --> 00:52:11,485
So, my first question
as a prosecutor is,
833
00:52:11,527 --> 00:52:14,280
"Oh. Tell me what she did."
834
00:52:14,321 --> 00:52:20,745
**
835
00:52:24,123 --> 00:52:33,841
**
836
00:52:33,883 --> 00:52:35,926
-Jeffrey Epstein's arrested.
837
00:52:35,968 --> 00:52:39,805
He's charged.
He gets this sweetheart deal.
838
00:52:39,847 --> 00:52:43,142
We printed it,
and people were outraged.
839
00:52:43,184 --> 00:52:46,729
But it was a done deal,
literally.
840
00:52:46,771 --> 00:52:48,689
-Alex Acosta was
the federal prosecutor
841
00:52:48,731 --> 00:52:50,691
who approved that deal
for Jeffrey Epstein.
842
00:52:50,733 --> 00:52:53,152
-Alexander Acosta
accepted a deal
843
00:52:53,194 --> 00:52:55,446
called a non-prosecution
agreement.
844
00:52:55,488 --> 00:52:58,866
The deal also protected
Epstein's accomplices
845
00:52:58,908 --> 00:53:02,078
from prosecution.
846
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:07,792
-Maxwell, and all the others
who came on board, walk.
847
00:53:07,833 --> 00:53:10,503
Epstein is allowed
out of prison every day
848
00:53:10,544 --> 00:53:13,589
from sunrise to midnight.
849
00:53:13,631 --> 00:53:16,634
He has his own suite
in the prison.
850
00:53:16,675 --> 00:53:19,637
This was horrific.
851
00:53:19,678 --> 00:53:22,390
Absolutely horrific.
852
00:53:22,431 --> 00:53:30,189
**
853
00:53:30,231 --> 00:53:34,402
-Between 10:00 AM and 10:00 PM
Fridays through Wednesdays,
854
00:53:34,443 --> 00:53:37,905
Jeffrey Epstein is allowed to
leave his temporary home
855
00:53:37,947 --> 00:53:40,241
here at
the Palm Beach County Stockade.
856
00:53:40,282 --> 00:53:42,660
-Instead, PBSO
says Epstein comes here
857
00:53:42,702 --> 00:53:47,665
to the West Palm Beach office of
his Florida Science Foundation.
858
00:53:47,707 --> 00:53:49,709
-Work-release privilege
was granted
859
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:51,585
despite explicit
sheriff's department rules
860
00:53:51,627 --> 00:53:56,090
stating that sex offenders don't
qualify at all for work release.
861
00:53:56,132 --> 00:54:01,554
**
862
00:54:01,595 --> 00:54:03,889
-For a victim to be
kept in the dark entirely,
863
00:54:03,931 --> 00:54:07,226
in conjunction with
an FBI probe being shut down
864
00:54:07,268 --> 00:54:09,562
and a favorable plea,
according to reporting
865
00:54:09,603 --> 00:54:12,857
that says he's able to have
work release privileges
866
00:54:12,898 --> 00:54:17,028
and be able to
leave his jail cell --
867
00:54:17,069 --> 00:54:19,405
that's what's so
shocking about this.
868
00:54:19,447 --> 00:54:23,909
**
869
00:54:23,951 --> 00:54:25,661
-The Federal Bureau
of Investigation
870
00:54:25,703 --> 00:54:29,498
knew that Epstein and Ghislaine
had this operation,
871
00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:34,795
and they did nothing.
872
00:54:34,837 --> 00:54:39,425
-The FBI didn't want to know
what Ghislaine Maxwell knew.
873
00:54:39,467 --> 00:54:41,594
They didn't want to know
what his butler knew
874
00:54:41,635 --> 00:54:48,726
or what the pilots on
his private plane knew.
875
00:54:48,768 --> 00:54:52,021
In fact, it was
just the opposite.
876
00:54:52,063 --> 00:54:55,900
This was a case where they tried
to get people to shut up.
877
00:54:55,941 --> 00:54:59,779
This was a cover-up.
878
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:01,364
-Look, Bill Clinton's name
879
00:55:01,405 --> 00:55:02,948
has been attached to
Jeffrey Epstein.
880
00:55:02,990 --> 00:55:04,408
Donald Trump's name
has been attached to --
881
00:55:04,450 --> 00:55:07,119
I mean, it is a who's who
of people that have been.
882
00:55:07,161 --> 00:55:13,042
It just smells as if
some large hand said,
883
00:55:13,084 --> 00:55:16,170
"We don't want this.
Keep this rock..."
884
00:55:16,212 --> 00:55:17,588
-Well, it's a who's who
of defense lawyers
885
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:20,216
on the other side.
886
00:55:20,257 --> 00:55:22,718
-They had a 53-count
indictment against him.
887
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,470
All of the sudden,
it disappears?
888
00:55:24,512 --> 00:55:26,847
Why? Why would that happen?
889
00:55:26,889 --> 00:55:28,724
How could that happen?
890
00:55:28,766 --> 00:55:33,270
**
891
00:55:33,312 --> 00:55:34,772
-The first time I heard about
892
00:55:34,814 --> 00:55:38,609
the surveillance
videos and tapes
893
00:55:38,651 --> 00:55:43,698
was from an extremely
close friend of Ghislaine.
894
00:55:43,739 --> 00:55:49,620
**
895
00:55:49,662 --> 00:55:51,455
**
896
00:55:51,497 --> 00:55:54,750
-I saw where the cameras were
at the 71st Street house
897
00:55:54,792 --> 00:55:58,504
because he showed me the room
and so I looked on those cameras
898
00:55:58,546 --> 00:56:01,966
and I saw that they were
all very private scenes.
899
00:56:02,007 --> 00:56:03,634
And it was --
they were taping, like,
900
00:56:03,676 --> 00:56:07,763
the bathroom and the beds.
901
00:56:07,805 --> 00:56:13,144
-According to Ghislaine, there
were secret surveillance tapes
902
00:56:13,185 --> 00:56:16,605
of the powerful people
he had captured
903
00:56:16,647 --> 00:56:19,734
having sex in his bedrooms.
904
00:56:19,775 --> 00:56:22,153
Presumably, with underage girls.
905
00:56:22,194 --> 00:56:24,488
And that was his weapon.
906
00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:27,366
**
907
00:56:27,408 --> 00:56:34,165
-Jeffrey and Ghislaine may have
been sitting on videotapes.
908
00:56:34,206 --> 00:56:36,834
This was
incriminating evidence against
909
00:56:36,876 --> 00:56:39,170
some of the rich
and powerful individuals
910
00:56:39,211 --> 00:56:46,260
that they did business with.
911
00:56:46,302 --> 00:56:50,681
-I believe Jeffrey and Ghislaine
were working together.
912
00:56:50,723 --> 00:56:52,349
Ghislaine was getting children,
913
00:56:52,391 --> 00:56:56,604
and then they were being
put into horrible situations
914
00:56:56,645 --> 00:57:01,859
with these dignitaries
and these men.
915
00:57:01,901 --> 00:57:03,778
-Just in my opinion
from observing,
916
00:57:03,819 --> 00:57:06,697
there was a definite blackmail
operation going on.
917
00:57:06,739 --> 00:57:15,998
**
918
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:25,508
**
919
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:34,767
**
920
00:57:34,809 --> 00:57:44,276
**
921
00:57:44,318 --> 00:57:53,661
**
922
00:57:55,871 --> 00:58:05,798
**
923
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:16,016
**
923
00:58:17,305 --> 00:59:17,754
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