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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 2 00:00:25,921 --> 00:00:27,423 [ Crickets chirping ] 3 00:00:27,465 --> 00:00:30,217 -Tonight, as the Lady Ghislaine lay at berth, 4 00:00:30,259 --> 00:00:32,219 the gathering of Robert Maxwell's family 5 00:00:32,261 --> 00:00:33,888 was completed. 6 00:00:33,929 --> 00:00:36,724 Ghislaine Maxwell joined her mother and elder brother Philip 7 00:00:36,766 --> 00:00:39,894 aboard the yacht along with senior police officers 8 00:00:39,935 --> 00:00:41,729 and translators. 9 00:00:46,025 --> 00:00:48,361 -So after Robert Maxwell's death, 10 00:00:48,402 --> 00:00:50,529 everyone found out about the pension funds. 11 00:00:52,990 --> 00:00:55,576 -The Maxwell name was dirt. 12 00:00:56,952 --> 00:01:02,041 -For Ghislaine, that's when her world fell apart. 13 00:01:02,083 --> 00:01:07,254 -Ghislaine Maxwell arrived on the shores of New York 14 00:01:07,296 --> 00:01:12,259 devastated by her father's death. 15 00:01:12,301 --> 00:01:13,844 -Nobody was there. Nobody saw. 16 00:01:13,886 --> 00:01:16,847 So you'll never be sure of exactly what took place. 17 00:01:16,889 --> 00:01:20,726 The only thing I'm sure of is that he did not commit suicide. 18 00:01:20,768 --> 00:01:24,939 -For Ghislaine it was like, "Right, I've got to survive." 19 00:01:24,980 --> 00:01:30,528 So she set her sights on finding a daddy replacement. 20 00:01:30,569 --> 00:01:33,114 And then it turned from a fairytale into a nightmare. 21 00:01:33,155 --> 00:01:42,164 ** 22 00:01:42,206 --> 00:01:51,549 ** 23 00:01:53,676 --> 00:02:02,518 ** 24 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:11,193 ** 25 00:02:11,235 --> 00:02:20,119 ** 26 00:02:20,161 --> 00:02:21,662 -Ghislaine fled to New York 27 00:02:21,704 --> 00:02:24,498 because of the media storm surrounding her family. 28 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:26,917 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 29 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:33,549 ** 30 00:02:33,591 --> 00:02:39,805 ** 31 00:02:39,847 --> 00:02:43,726 It was kind of an obvious choice for her... 32 00:02:46,604 --> 00:02:49,357 ...sort of, like, the next kind of city that I would be able 33 00:02:49,398 --> 00:02:51,233 to compare to somewhere like London. 34 00:02:51,275 --> 00:02:52,693 Very metropolitan, 35 00:02:52,735 --> 00:02:54,862 and she was very in with the Americans. 36 00:02:54,904 --> 00:02:57,782 And I think the Americans sort of embraced that. 37 00:02:57,823 --> 00:03:03,079 ** 38 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,626 ** 39 00:03:15,591 --> 00:03:17,218 -It's great. I can, uh... 40 00:03:17,259 --> 00:03:19,220 I have my friends and I can lead my life, 41 00:03:19,261 --> 00:03:21,180 and people don't come up and say, 42 00:03:21,222 --> 00:03:22,890 "So how are you feeling?" you know? 43 00:03:22,932 --> 00:03:24,809 "So you okay? How are you doing? 44 00:03:24,850 --> 00:03:28,604 It's -- I mean, other people's lives are very interesting, too. 45 00:03:28,646 --> 00:03:30,564 I like to have the opportunity to ask them questions. 46 00:03:30,606 --> 00:03:31,857 I don't always like to be the one 47 00:03:31,899 --> 00:03:34,193 that people are asking the questions of. 48 00:03:34,235 --> 00:03:42,201 ** 49 00:03:42,243 --> 00:03:45,287 [ Horn honks ] 50 00:03:45,329 --> 00:03:47,248 -New York was the ideal place to go 51 00:03:47,289 --> 00:03:51,001 because it was seen as somewhere you can reinvent yourself, 52 00:03:51,043 --> 00:03:54,922 that, actually, New Yorkers don't care about your background 53 00:03:54,964 --> 00:03:56,340 or your scandal. 54 00:03:56,382 --> 00:03:59,093 If you've got money, and you've got influence, 55 00:03:59,135 --> 00:04:01,762 that's all they care about. 56 00:04:01,804 --> 00:04:06,767 ** 57 00:04:06,809 --> 00:04:09,019 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 58 00:04:09,061 --> 00:04:17,486 ** 59 00:04:17,528 --> 00:04:19,905 -I remember meeting Ghislaine 60 00:04:19,947 --> 00:04:23,617 with mutual friends at a nightclub. 61 00:04:23,659 --> 00:04:25,119 I was struck immediately 62 00:04:25,161 --> 00:04:28,789 by her sort of amazing, incandescent charm, 63 00:04:28,831 --> 00:04:34,545 self-deprecating humor, bright as hell. 64 00:04:34,587 --> 00:04:38,674 We were drinking and dancing, 65 00:04:38,716 --> 00:04:42,303 and I just thought, "Whoa! This girl is really fun. 66 00:04:42,344 --> 00:04:44,388 I hope I get to see her again." 67 00:04:44,430 --> 00:04:50,269 ** 68 00:04:50,311 --> 00:04:55,941 ** 69 00:04:55,983 --> 00:05:00,863 -I've known Ghislaine since the '90s. 70 00:05:00,905 --> 00:05:06,369 I mean, the '90s as a whole -- it was just a debauchery. 71 00:05:06,410 --> 00:05:08,412 It was the lead-up to millennium, 72 00:05:08,454 --> 00:05:11,499 and everyone was having a wild time. 73 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:16,253 ** 74 00:05:16,295 --> 00:05:20,257 Ghislaine always struck me as someone that was very, like, 75 00:05:20,299 --> 00:05:23,094 full of life, very confident, 76 00:05:23,135 --> 00:05:25,179 you know, fun, outgoing, 77 00:05:25,221 --> 00:05:30,393 and was always, like, jetting around somewhere fabulous. 78 00:05:31,727 --> 00:05:34,188 She always had this kind of air of mystery about her. 79 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:38,442 She never gave away too much, but she gave away enough 80 00:05:38,484 --> 00:05:40,986 that you kinda wanted to find out more. 81 00:05:41,028 --> 00:05:46,200 ** 82 00:05:46,242 --> 00:05:47,910 -I met Ghislaine at a party -- 83 00:05:47,952 --> 00:05:52,957 well-dressed, not spectacularly memorable, not overly sexy. 84 00:05:52,998 --> 00:05:56,836 I'm standing with my wife, and Ghislaine came over, 85 00:05:56,877 --> 00:05:59,714 and we spoke for about a second and she said, 86 00:05:59,755 --> 00:06:04,343 "You know, if you lost 10 pounds, I'd fuck you." 87 00:06:04,385 --> 00:06:06,804 ** 88 00:06:06,846 --> 00:06:09,390 I think she was an opportunist, 89 00:06:09,432 --> 00:06:14,437 and I think she did what pleased her in the moment. 90 00:06:15,938 --> 00:06:18,983 -With Ghislaine, definitely there was a side to her 91 00:06:19,025 --> 00:06:21,110 where she really enjoyed telling, like, 92 00:06:21,152 --> 00:06:24,280 dirty jokes and things like that. 93 00:06:24,321 --> 00:06:26,782 -[ Laughs ] 94 00:06:28,951 --> 00:06:31,912 -She would, like, demonstrate certain things. 95 00:06:31,954 --> 00:06:34,248 [ Laughing ] I can't say it. 96 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:37,126 She would demonstrate how to do a blow job. 97 00:06:37,168 --> 00:06:39,670 [ Laughs ] 98 00:06:42,256 --> 00:06:44,842 -She came across as this raunchy extrovert, 99 00:06:44,884 --> 00:06:48,804 and you got the feeling would've done anything to please a man. 100 00:06:48,846 --> 00:06:56,520 ** 101 00:06:56,562 --> 00:07:04,445 ** 102 00:07:04,487 --> 00:07:06,280 -She invited me up to her apartment. 103 00:07:06,322 --> 00:07:11,160 She was living in the east 60s in Manhattan at that point 104 00:07:11,202 --> 00:07:15,790 in a small apartment 105 00:07:15,831 --> 00:07:19,627 with white walls and very unadorned. 106 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:24,382 She wasn't living, you know, at the Plaza Hotel. 107 00:07:24,423 --> 00:07:27,176 It was not a fancy environment. 108 00:07:27,218 --> 00:07:29,178 I got the impression at the time 109 00:07:29,220 --> 00:07:33,682 that the consequences of her father's death 110 00:07:33,724 --> 00:07:36,644 was that she had no money and that her mother 111 00:07:36,685 --> 00:07:40,523 was dealing with financial terrible reversals. 112 00:07:40,564 --> 00:07:46,070 ** 113 00:07:46,112 --> 00:07:48,698 -The shares which were really the value 114 00:07:48,739 --> 00:07:51,534 of my husband's fortune have collapsed. 115 00:07:51,575 --> 00:07:55,788 And from whatever was there, now at zero. 116 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:58,958 I have, myself, no money at all. 117 00:07:58,999 --> 00:08:04,505 ** 118 00:08:04,547 --> 00:08:11,345 -I subsequently learned that Ghislaine had a trust fund. 119 00:08:11,387 --> 00:08:18,102 ** 120 00:08:18,144 --> 00:08:24,692 ** 121 00:08:24,734 --> 00:08:31,198 ** 122 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,744 -She had a meager trust fund, but for Ghislaine, 123 00:08:34,785 --> 00:08:37,371 someone who moved in the social circles 124 00:08:37,413 --> 00:08:40,916 and wanted to attend the best parties and travel around, 125 00:08:40,958 --> 00:08:43,377 she needed someone with real money. 126 00:08:43,419 --> 00:08:47,089 And Jeffery Epstein was gonna be that benefactor to her. 127 00:08:47,131 --> 00:08:52,970 ** 128 00:08:53,012 --> 00:08:55,347 -It's been incorrectly reported 129 00:08:55,389 --> 00:08:59,101 that Ghislaine and Jeffrey Epstein first met 130 00:08:59,143 --> 00:09:01,645 when Ghislaine came to America. 131 00:09:01,687 --> 00:09:03,981 And that's been in error. 132 00:09:06,525 --> 00:09:09,779 Way before she came to America. 133 00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:14,033 -So her father dies around November of '91. 134 00:09:14,075 --> 00:09:16,952 And then, it's just a few weeks after he dies, 135 00:09:16,994 --> 00:09:21,248 she seems to be associating with Epstein publicly. 136 00:09:22,416 --> 00:09:26,337 -Ghislaine set her sights on Jeffrey Epstein, 137 00:09:26,379 --> 00:09:30,049 who could give her the lifestyle that she'd become accustomed to. 138 00:09:30,091 --> 00:09:35,262 ** 139 00:09:35,304 --> 00:09:37,139 -The men that she tended to be around -- 140 00:09:37,181 --> 00:09:39,642 I mean, I don't know if they were all corrupt. 141 00:09:39,683 --> 00:09:43,020 But Epstein and her father -- I mean, those would be two men 142 00:09:43,062 --> 00:09:46,399 that had that kind of terrible moral compass. 143 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,029 ** 144 00:09:52,071 --> 00:09:56,367 -Jeffery wanted to get in that world of financial fraud. 145 00:09:56,409 --> 00:10:01,455 He viewed it as a place where hecould capitalize, 146 00:10:01,497 --> 00:10:03,999 and that's exactly what he did. 147 00:10:04,041 --> 00:10:09,338 ** 148 00:10:09,380 --> 00:10:13,300 -And so Epstein hooks up with a real bona fide Ponzi artist 149 00:10:13,342 --> 00:10:15,428 named Steven Hoffenberg. 150 00:10:15,469 --> 00:10:17,555 I don't know if you've spoken to him, but he's -- 151 00:10:17,596 --> 00:10:19,640 he's an entertaining character. 152 00:10:19,682 --> 00:10:25,312 ** 153 00:10:25,354 --> 00:10:30,568 -I was charged with securities violations, 154 00:10:30,609 --> 00:10:32,862 obstruction of justice, 155 00:10:32,903 --> 00:10:38,325 tax violations, mail fraud, 156 00:10:38,367 --> 00:10:42,747 activities of misconduct that I pled guilty to. 157 00:10:42,788 --> 00:10:44,540 -Hoffenberg pled guilty to fraud, 158 00:10:44,582 --> 00:10:45,958 admitting that he cheated investors 159 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,419 out of nearly half a billion dollars. 160 00:10:48,461 --> 00:10:51,130 He'll now have to pay as much restitution as he can 161 00:10:51,172 --> 00:10:54,133 to those taken in in his Ponzi scheme. 162 00:10:57,011 --> 00:11:02,224 -It was one of the biggest Ponzi schemes 163 00:11:02,266 --> 00:11:07,897 recorded at that time in U.S. history, yes. 164 00:11:10,191 --> 00:11:16,447 I suffered 18 years in federal prison 165 00:11:16,489 --> 00:11:21,369 without exposing the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein. 166 00:11:24,997 --> 00:11:30,836 And in my opinion, he stole over $100 million 167 00:11:30,878 --> 00:11:33,130 from Towers Financial. 168 00:11:35,299 --> 00:11:39,178 -As Jeffrey Epstein is wont to do, he avoided investigation. 169 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:42,014 He avoided any sort of scrutiny 170 00:11:42,056 --> 00:11:44,767 for his behavior in that Ponzi scheme. 171 00:11:46,268 --> 00:11:51,941 But it is after that that he seems to have accumulated 172 00:11:51,982 --> 00:11:54,527 a substantial amount of wealth. 173 00:11:56,821 --> 00:11:59,115 [ Indistinct talking ] 174 00:12:00,866 --> 00:12:03,244 -Epstein was going from one scam to another. 175 00:12:03,285 --> 00:12:05,621 He was always scamming people or taking money 176 00:12:05,663 --> 00:12:07,415 and promoting himself. 177 00:12:07,456 --> 00:12:10,626 And then he was introduced to Les Wexner. 178 00:12:10,668 --> 00:12:14,255 -U.S. retailing billionaire Leslie Wexner founded L Brands, 179 00:12:14,296 --> 00:12:17,466 the company behind Victoria Secret. 180 00:12:17,508 --> 00:12:19,552 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 181 00:12:19,593 --> 00:12:23,723 ** 182 00:12:23,764 --> 00:12:25,349 -Wexner hired him. 183 00:12:25,391 --> 00:12:27,810 And that's what made Jeffrey a rich man. 184 00:12:27,852 --> 00:12:30,521 [ Applause ] 185 00:12:30,563 --> 00:12:39,363 ** 186 00:12:39,405 --> 00:12:43,534 -Epstein worked as Wexner's money manager, 187 00:12:43,576 --> 00:12:48,789 but they had a very strangely close relationship 188 00:12:48,831 --> 00:12:52,585 and a lot of colleagues of Wexner's and, you know, 189 00:12:52,626 --> 00:12:54,962 former friends have gone on record to talk about 190 00:12:55,004 --> 00:12:57,381 how strange the whole thing was. 191 00:13:02,344 --> 00:13:06,390 -Epstein's modus operandi was deception. 192 00:13:06,432 --> 00:13:08,976 People raise speculation about blackmail 193 00:13:09,018 --> 00:13:12,146 and all this type of stuff. 194 00:13:12,188 --> 00:13:13,981 Some people believe that 195 00:13:14,023 --> 00:13:17,068 Epstein stole $100 million from Wexner. 196 00:13:18,903 --> 00:13:20,488 -According to the L Brands CEO, 197 00:13:20,529 --> 00:13:22,865 Epstein misappropriated millions of dollars from him 198 00:13:22,907 --> 00:13:24,492 and his foundation. 199 00:13:26,702 --> 00:13:30,498 -The point about Jeffrey is there was no tactic 200 00:13:30,539 --> 00:13:36,545 which he was not willing to use to get what he wanted. 201 00:13:38,339 --> 00:13:39,799 -That would have been familiar to Ghislaine. 202 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,677 -She knew about dealing with devious and corrupt men. 203 00:13:43,719 --> 00:13:46,347 When you grow up with that, it becomes normal. 204 00:13:46,389 --> 00:13:51,435 ** 205 00:13:54,397 --> 00:14:02,405 ** 206 00:14:02,446 --> 00:14:10,287 ** 207 00:14:10,329 --> 00:14:14,208 -The townhouse of this guy that Ghislaine was seeing 208 00:14:14,250 --> 00:14:15,960 was perhaps described as 209 00:14:16,001 --> 00:14:18,170 the largest private house in Manhattan. 210 00:14:20,005 --> 00:14:22,925 So we were all very intrigued 211 00:14:22,967 --> 00:14:25,344 to know who this guy was. 212 00:14:25,386 --> 00:14:28,472 [ Indistinct talking ] 213 00:14:28,514 --> 00:14:32,309 But I think the first time I met Jeffrey, 214 00:14:32,351 --> 00:14:37,273 I ran into them at an exhibition opening, 215 00:14:37,314 --> 00:14:40,693 and Ghislaine seemed very excited 216 00:14:40,735 --> 00:14:45,865 that she was introducing me to the guy she was dating. 217 00:14:45,906 --> 00:14:50,870 And he was wearing faded jeans. 218 00:14:50,911 --> 00:14:55,541 Everyone else was, you know, in fancy cocktail attire. 219 00:14:55,583 --> 00:14:59,628 But it seemed to be part of his shtick. 220 00:14:59,670 --> 00:15:03,841 He had this almost permanent smirk, 221 00:15:03,883 --> 00:15:09,555 as if he was sosuccessful and such a big deal, 222 00:15:09,597 --> 00:15:12,767 and it was kind of a privilege for you to be meeting him. 223 00:15:12,808 --> 00:15:15,644 [ Indistinct talking ] 224 00:15:15,686 --> 00:15:19,482 ** 225 00:15:19,523 --> 00:15:22,026 -What Ghislaine would've offered him 226 00:15:22,068 --> 00:15:25,237 was entrée to the world he wanted. 227 00:15:26,572 --> 00:15:31,619 -This is a guy who often came across to some of her friends 228 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:35,456 as an idiot, okay, by the things he said. 229 00:15:37,583 --> 00:15:42,046 They knew Jeffery had money, but his appearance, 230 00:15:42,088 --> 00:15:45,758 the way he talked, his social graces 231 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,679 were completely below Ghislaine Maxwell. 232 00:15:52,556 --> 00:15:53,849 She wanted to make him over. 233 00:15:53,891 --> 00:15:56,602 She viewed him as something of a project. 234 00:16:00,356 --> 00:16:01,857 -Whether she was in love with Epstein or not, 235 00:16:01,899 --> 00:16:05,653 she was certainly very infatuated by him, 236 00:16:05,695 --> 00:16:09,281 drawn to him, and she wanted to be his wife. 237 00:16:11,242 --> 00:16:15,037 -During that time when I did first meet her, 238 00:16:15,079 --> 00:16:16,539 they really seemed like a couple. 239 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:19,417 And they seemed, like, very, very happy together. 240 00:16:19,458 --> 00:16:22,586 I remember thinking I was always surprised, 241 00:16:22,628 --> 00:16:24,588 like, they never got married. 242 00:16:24,630 --> 00:16:28,008 ** 243 00:16:28,050 --> 00:16:30,761 She was the butterfly. 244 00:16:30,803 --> 00:16:35,683 She was the one bringing people in for him, almost in a way. 245 00:16:35,725 --> 00:16:39,812 And then I suppose he turned that into business contacts. 246 00:16:41,439 --> 00:16:43,816 [ Music thumping ] 247 00:16:43,858 --> 00:16:45,860 -Come on in. Go inside. 248 00:16:45,901 --> 00:16:49,363 ** 249 00:16:49,405 --> 00:16:51,574 -I wrote an article for "Mother Jones" 250 00:16:51,615 --> 00:16:53,200 where I called every person 251 00:16:53,242 --> 00:16:55,369 in Jeffrey Epstein's little black book. 252 00:16:56,495 --> 00:16:58,748 I saw a screenshot of it, 253 00:16:58,789 --> 00:17:01,667 and I noticed that it was un-redacted, 254 00:17:01,709 --> 00:17:04,587 so I just checked some really dark, awful corners 255 00:17:04,628 --> 00:17:06,422 of the Internet and I found it. 256 00:17:07,423 --> 00:17:10,426 It has like 1,500 names. 257 00:17:10,468 --> 00:17:14,138 There were princes, CEOs, 258 00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:16,682 Nobel Prize winners, celebrities. 259 00:17:16,724 --> 00:17:19,769 It was a really sort of good cross section 260 00:17:19,810 --> 00:17:21,729 of the global elite. 261 00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:26,233 Donald Trump is in there, 262 00:17:26,275 --> 00:17:28,402 Prince Andrew, obviously. 263 00:17:32,865 --> 00:17:36,202 But a lot of the people I called in the book 264 00:17:36,243 --> 00:17:38,704 had only ever met Maxwell. 265 00:17:40,498 --> 00:17:42,083 -I mean, I think that probably 266 00:17:42,124 --> 00:17:43,376 most of the people in the black book 267 00:17:43,417 --> 00:17:46,379 were her connections and her entrée. 268 00:17:48,923 --> 00:17:53,010 Her father had the biggest newspaper group in England, 269 00:17:53,052 --> 00:17:55,679 you know, so she knew everyone. 270 00:17:58,224 --> 00:18:01,018 -Jeffrey Epstein sort of inherits that. 271 00:18:01,060 --> 00:18:03,312 Without Ghislaine Maxwell, he never would have climbed 272 00:18:03,354 --> 00:18:07,858 to the upper echelons of society. 273 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:16,450 ** 274 00:18:16,492 --> 00:18:20,705 -It was clear that her attraction to Jeffery 275 00:18:20,746 --> 00:18:22,623 was profound. 276 00:18:22,665 --> 00:18:29,296 Whether it was romantic, sexual, or transactional is just -- 277 00:18:29,338 --> 00:18:32,717 you know, I cannot know. 278 00:18:32,758 --> 00:18:34,885 I never saw them being particularly 279 00:18:34,927 --> 00:18:36,929 demonstrative physically. 280 00:18:38,973 --> 00:18:41,767 -What Ghislaine wanted was security. 281 00:18:41,809 --> 00:18:45,771 Obviously if he married her, that gave her immense security. 282 00:18:45,813 --> 00:18:48,733 But the sense of them both, I feel, 283 00:18:48,774 --> 00:18:51,736 is that it was always going to be an arrangement. 284 00:18:53,738 --> 00:18:56,824 -One person who knew them both pretty well, you know, 285 00:18:56,866 --> 00:18:59,035 described to me as this really toxic, 286 00:18:59,076 --> 00:19:01,746 almost middle school on-again, off-again, 287 00:19:01,787 --> 00:19:04,957 codependency, jealousy sort of thing. 288 00:19:04,999 --> 00:19:07,668 I didn't get the picture of like this wholesome, you know, 289 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:10,463 fulfilling relationship for either of them. 290 00:19:11,672 --> 00:19:15,217 -Out of the blue, I got a call from Ghislaine. 291 00:19:15,259 --> 00:19:16,927 Her mother was coming to New York, 292 00:19:16,969 --> 00:19:20,056 and she wanted to introduce her to all of her closest friends, 293 00:19:20,097 --> 00:19:22,183 which included me at the time. 294 00:19:22,224 --> 00:19:27,313 And the invitation was to go to the townhouse. 295 00:19:27,355 --> 00:19:32,651 So it was in Jeffrey's house, but he didn't seem to be there. 296 00:19:32,693 --> 00:19:35,071 [ Indistinct talking ] 297 00:19:35,112 --> 00:19:39,116 I remember a strange thing about this party. 298 00:19:39,158 --> 00:19:41,452 It was a cocktail party, so I was moving around the room 299 00:19:41,494 --> 00:19:43,454 and talking to friends, 300 00:19:43,496 --> 00:19:46,332 and I kept on hearing it from different people -- 301 00:19:46,374 --> 00:19:49,085 people saying, "It's kind of weird, you know. 302 00:19:49,126 --> 00:19:52,171 Ghislaine's dating this guy, Jeffrey Epstein. 303 00:19:52,213 --> 00:19:55,466 Apparently he's very successful. 304 00:19:55,508 --> 00:19:59,345 But the weird thing is apparently he likes 305 00:19:59,387 --> 00:20:02,807 sort of younger girls." 306 00:20:02,848 --> 00:20:06,435 And I remember hearing at the time that 307 00:20:06,477 --> 00:20:12,149 Ghislaine is always trying to please him. 308 00:20:12,191 --> 00:20:17,655 And so she's introducing him to schoolgirls. 309 00:20:19,073 --> 00:20:21,909 I just thought it was really kind of odd. 310 00:20:21,951 --> 00:20:27,331 ** 311 00:20:27,373 --> 00:20:32,712 ** 312 00:20:32,753 --> 00:20:37,842 -I truly wonder what Ghislaine's first instinct was 313 00:20:37,883 --> 00:20:42,096 when she learned about Jeffery's dark secret. 314 00:20:42,138 --> 00:20:48,060 ** 315 00:20:48,102 --> 00:20:51,272 Because what is part of history is that 316 00:20:51,313 --> 00:20:54,191 Ghislaine didn't run away. 317 00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:56,861 She didn't flee. 318 00:20:56,902 --> 00:21:01,407 She didn't drop him like a hot potato and go back to England. 319 00:21:01,449 --> 00:21:03,117 She stayed with him. 320 00:21:05,619 --> 00:21:07,413 -I think Ghislaine stayed with Jeffrey 321 00:21:07,455 --> 00:21:10,166 because that had become her life, 322 00:21:10,207 --> 00:21:15,046 and she saw herself as this kind of all-powerful partner 323 00:21:15,087 --> 00:21:17,173 to this powerful man. 324 00:21:19,925 --> 00:21:24,722 -I would say that Ghislaine fell under Jeffery's spell 325 00:21:24,764 --> 00:21:27,433 and was willing to do anything for him. 326 00:21:27,475 --> 00:21:32,897 ** 327 00:21:32,938 --> 00:21:36,442 But he had an insatiable sexual appetite. 328 00:21:39,612 --> 00:21:42,114 She could not satisfy him that way, 329 00:21:42,156 --> 00:21:44,075 and that's why she brought in others. 330 00:21:44,116 --> 00:21:51,624 ** 331 00:21:51,665 --> 00:21:55,044 And the women were young. 332 00:21:55,086 --> 00:22:02,843 ** 333 00:22:06,597 --> 00:22:15,898 ** 334 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:19,819 -Jeffrey became really interested in young girls 335 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:21,612 from the New York Academy of Art. 336 00:22:21,654 --> 00:22:27,952 ** 337 00:22:27,993 --> 00:22:31,372 -Ghislaine was always there at the art shows, 338 00:22:31,414 --> 00:22:34,375 sort of scoping out people. 339 00:22:35,084 --> 00:22:36,585 She knew what Jeffrey liked. 340 00:22:36,627 --> 00:22:38,212 Like, she knew the physical type. 341 00:22:38,254 --> 00:22:42,341 ** 342 00:22:42,383 --> 00:22:46,929 Maria Farmer was graduating from the New York Academy of Art. 343 00:22:49,515 --> 00:22:54,061 She had painted pictures of her of pre-pubescent younger sister 344 00:22:54,103 --> 00:22:55,730 that Jeffrey saw. 345 00:22:57,189 --> 00:23:00,776 -So Jeffrey bought the painting the night of my graduation. 346 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,158 I end up being introduced to Jeffrey and Ghislaine, 347 00:23:07,199 --> 00:23:09,285 and he went to shake my hand, and he said, 348 00:23:09,326 --> 00:23:12,079 "You're so talented. I love your painting." 349 00:23:12,121 --> 00:23:20,421 ** 350 00:23:20,463 --> 00:23:22,089 I am an artist, 351 00:23:22,131 --> 00:23:26,719 and I was a painter in New York for many years. 352 00:23:26,761 --> 00:23:29,847 -Okay. -Okay, so we are still rolling. 353 00:23:29,889 --> 00:23:35,436 -Okay, so basically this is Ghislaine Maxwell. 354 00:23:35,478 --> 00:23:39,190 And here's Jeffrey Epstein. 355 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,362 [ Sighs ] 356 00:23:44,403 --> 00:23:47,198 After meeting them, 357 00:23:47,239 --> 00:23:50,284 I just remember thinking they were kind of a weird couple. 358 00:23:50,326 --> 00:23:52,078 Like, I thought they were strange. 359 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,289 Jeffrey was all smiley and a little bit too much, you know? 360 00:23:55,331 --> 00:23:59,293 Very gregarious, like, warm, affable guy. 361 00:23:59,335 --> 00:24:02,296 And she was just kind of standing there, you know, 362 00:24:02,338 --> 00:24:04,131 pretending to be nice. 363 00:24:04,173 --> 00:24:13,724 ** 364 00:24:13,766 --> 00:24:17,228 So the next interaction, I get a call from Jeffrey Epstein, 365 00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:20,147 and he wanted me to meet him in his office the next morning. 366 00:24:22,525 --> 00:24:27,530 I showed up, and he's created a job for me. 367 00:24:27,571 --> 00:24:31,992 He moved a big white desk into the 71st Street mansion, 368 00:24:32,034 --> 00:24:35,162 and that was my job then, was to watch that door. 369 00:24:37,415 --> 00:24:41,210 I had a big white book, and I signed people in. 370 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:46,298 I gleaned a lot about the way they behaved. 371 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:47,591 It was very strange. 372 00:24:47,633 --> 00:24:50,803 They recorded everyone who ever came and went. 373 00:24:52,805 --> 00:24:57,309 Jeffrey showed me the room where he had all the video cameras. 374 00:24:57,351 --> 00:24:58,978 And he just gave me a little tour. 375 00:24:59,019 --> 00:25:00,896 He was very proud of it. 376 00:25:03,232 --> 00:25:05,109 But they told me that they were married, 377 00:25:05,151 --> 00:25:07,361 and so that's why I felt comfortable with them, 378 00:25:07,403 --> 00:25:09,572 because I believed they were a married couple 379 00:25:09,613 --> 00:25:13,075 that really were into philanthropy and education. 380 00:25:16,287 --> 00:25:19,248 Ghislaine was predominantly in charge of everything, 381 00:25:19,290 --> 00:25:21,208 'cause she's the one who determined, like, 382 00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:23,961 what his appointments were. 383 00:25:24,962 --> 00:25:28,674 She was the one marching people upstairs -- 384 00:25:28,716 --> 00:25:29,759 adults, you know? 385 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,802 People coming in. 386 00:25:31,844 --> 00:25:34,346 And then a lot of children. 387 00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:40,478 Always little girls, you know. 388 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:45,107 And she said they were modeling for all kinds of companies. 389 00:25:45,149 --> 00:25:51,238 ** 390 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,533 And then they had all these dignitaries coming and going 391 00:25:54,575 --> 00:25:58,245 and presidents, and, yeah. 392 00:25:58,287 --> 00:26:06,253 ** 393 00:26:06,295 --> 00:26:09,548 There were a couple times where girls cried. 394 00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:12,593 And one time I remember a little girl in her skirt, 395 00:26:12,635 --> 00:26:14,553 like, teenager -- braces, the whole thing -- 396 00:26:14,595 --> 00:26:16,597 crying, coming downstairs. 397 00:26:16,639 --> 00:26:20,059 Ghislaine said, "Maria, she didn't get the job. 398 00:26:20,101 --> 00:26:22,103 Victoria's Secret -- it's a tough business. 399 00:26:22,144 --> 00:26:23,604 Modeling is a tough business." 400 00:26:23,646 --> 00:26:25,064 She was very, very cold. 401 00:26:25,106 --> 00:26:29,151 She was very glamorous and cold and vicious. 402 00:26:30,528 --> 00:26:32,029 Ghislaine was very moody 403 00:26:32,071 --> 00:26:35,282 and terribly materialistic. 404 00:26:35,324 --> 00:26:38,953 She loved shopping, and she loved exercising. 405 00:26:38,994 --> 00:26:42,415 She would go rollerblading for hours, 406 00:26:42,456 --> 00:26:44,125 and then she would get that high and come back 407 00:26:44,166 --> 00:26:45,418 and be in a really good mood. 408 00:26:45,459 --> 00:26:49,463 And then like that, she would turn. 409 00:26:49,505 --> 00:26:52,258 [ Clock ticking ] 410 00:26:52,299 --> 00:26:56,387 Every day at 3:30, she would shift. 411 00:26:56,429 --> 00:26:58,347 She was just screaming orders at me 412 00:26:58,389 --> 00:27:01,308 and screaming orders at the chef or the maids, 413 00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:03,853 and she would run out the door. 414 00:27:05,312 --> 00:27:08,357 At the time I was like, "What is going on with this person?" 415 00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:12,153 ** 416 00:27:12,194 --> 00:27:14,989 She would go out and find the nubiles 417 00:27:15,031 --> 00:27:18,034 that she said were models that were really girls 418 00:27:18,075 --> 00:27:20,578 that she was procuring for Jeffrey. 419 00:27:23,164 --> 00:27:26,042 And she would go do this by going after school 420 00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:28,335 to Central Park. 421 00:27:28,377 --> 00:27:33,257 ** 422 00:27:33,299 --> 00:27:37,053 I did ride with her and saw how she did this 423 00:27:37,094 --> 00:27:38,596 in the limousine... 424 00:27:41,724 --> 00:27:44,685 ...and saw her spotting a girl in a uniform, 425 00:27:44,727 --> 00:27:48,856 and I saw her pop out -- jump out of the car 426 00:27:48,898 --> 00:27:51,317 and go get that girl's phone number. 427 00:27:52,443 --> 00:27:55,446 You know, this was before cellphones. 428 00:27:55,488 --> 00:27:56,781 It was terrifying. 429 00:27:56,822 --> 00:27:58,366 Can you imagine being the parents, and your kids 430 00:27:58,407 --> 00:28:01,327 are walking home and they're -- oh, my God. 431 00:28:04,205 --> 00:28:08,084 I quit many times because of Ghislaine, 432 00:28:08,125 --> 00:28:11,670 and Jeffrey would always talk me back into staying. 433 00:28:11,712 --> 00:28:15,591 One time he said, "I've talked to Abigail Wexner, 434 00:28:15,633 --> 00:28:18,636 and she said she would be delighted to have you. 435 00:28:18,677 --> 00:28:21,806 She wants an artist-in-residence on the property. 436 00:28:21,847 --> 00:28:24,475 You can have all the room in the world to do your paintings." 437 00:28:24,517 --> 00:28:26,602 So I thought, "What an amazing opportunity. 438 00:28:26,644 --> 00:28:29,188 These people -- you know, they're patrons of the arts. 439 00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:31,399 They have Picassos. This is great. 440 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,234 This is gonna be a wonderful experience." 441 00:28:33,275 --> 00:28:36,445 And it was nota wonderful -- it ruined my life. 442 00:28:36,487 --> 00:28:41,534 It was the very experience that ruined my life. 443 00:28:41,575 --> 00:28:49,166 ** 444 00:28:49,208 --> 00:28:51,335 I go to this estate in Ohio 445 00:28:51,377 --> 00:28:55,005 in this old Ryder truck with all my art supplies. 446 00:28:55,047 --> 00:29:02,972 ** 447 00:29:03,013 --> 00:29:05,808 So when I was on the Wexner estate, 448 00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:08,644 Ghislaine and Jeffrey came on three occasions 449 00:29:08,686 --> 00:29:12,648 to visit over the summer. 450 00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:17,278 And, one time, I was in the room, I was reading. 451 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:22,658 It was late in the evening. 452 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:27,288 In comes Ghislaine Maxwell. 453 00:29:27,329 --> 00:29:29,165 She has on a robe, and I thought that was weird, 454 00:29:29,206 --> 00:29:30,583 because I had never seen her in a robe. 455 00:29:30,624 --> 00:29:32,293 It made me very nervous. 456 00:29:32,334 --> 00:29:33,711 It made me feel -- my stomach hurt. 457 00:29:33,753 --> 00:29:39,717 Because, why is she being intimate like this? 458 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,386 She comes to get me to take me into Jeffrey's room. 459 00:29:42,428 --> 00:29:45,306 And I remember, I had never been in that room. 460 00:29:45,347 --> 00:29:48,809 They always said it was off-limits. 461 00:29:48,851 --> 00:29:50,811 And, so, I'm in there 462 00:29:50,853 --> 00:29:55,900 and Jeffrey's watching a PBS show on math. 463 00:29:55,941 --> 00:29:58,277 And he goes "rub my foot." 464 00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:00,863 And she's like, "Rub Jeffrey's foot right now. 465 00:30:00,905 --> 00:30:05,785 His feet are hurting". 466 00:30:05,826 --> 00:30:08,162 And he goes, "Here," and he pats the bed, 467 00:30:08,204 --> 00:30:10,623 and he wanted me to sit down beside him. 468 00:30:10,664 --> 00:30:13,667 Ghislaine looks at me, and she sits next to me on the bed, 469 00:30:13,709 --> 00:30:19,090 and she lies down. 470 00:30:19,131 --> 00:30:22,635 They, um, began assaulting me together. 471 00:30:22,676 --> 00:30:26,806 And, uh, I really blocked out a lot of it. 472 00:30:26,847 --> 00:30:28,349 [ Sighs ] 473 00:30:28,391 --> 00:30:29,934 I don't remember it. 474 00:30:29,975 --> 00:30:32,686 I just remember, you know, not being very comfortable, 475 00:30:32,728 --> 00:30:41,821 and I remember looking at the ceiling. 476 00:30:41,862 --> 00:30:45,533 And so really, at that point, 477 00:30:45,574 --> 00:30:47,535 it doesn't matter physically what's happening to me. 478 00:30:47,576 --> 00:30:49,036 I'm not saying it doesn't count, 479 00:30:49,078 --> 00:30:56,752 but compared to everything else, it didn't matter to me. 480 00:30:56,794 --> 00:31:01,215 I started crying. 481 00:31:01,257 --> 00:31:03,426 It felt very mechanical and very bizarre, 482 00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:05,052 what was happening to me. 483 00:31:05,094 --> 00:31:12,476 And, um, and from that point on, I have not been the same person. 484 00:31:12,518 --> 00:31:20,151 ** 485 00:31:20,192 --> 00:31:27,825 ** 486 00:31:27,867 --> 00:31:31,746 After I was assaulted on the Wexner estate, 487 00:31:31,787 --> 00:31:34,331 I didn't know what to do, but I thought, 488 00:31:34,373 --> 00:31:36,959 "Well, I'll just go back to New York." 489 00:31:37,001 --> 00:31:46,427 ** 490 00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:49,430 I went to the police first. 491 00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:51,849 The chief of police told me to call the FBI, 492 00:31:51,891 --> 00:31:55,436 and he gave me the phone number. 493 00:31:55,478 --> 00:31:59,357 I called and I spoke for about 45 minutes to this man, 494 00:31:59,398 --> 00:32:02,568 and he seemed very unfazed by everything I said, 495 00:32:02,610 --> 00:32:08,699 and I said a lot of big, heavy things. 496 00:32:08,741 --> 00:32:13,120 I asked the FBI to do their job, and they never did it. 497 00:32:13,162 --> 00:32:18,042 I gave them everything, and I gave it to them in 1996. 498 00:32:18,084 --> 00:32:23,422 It makes me crazy! 499 00:32:23,464 --> 00:32:24,799 After I returned to New York, 500 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,552 Ghislaine Maxwell was calling and harassing me, 501 00:32:28,594 --> 00:32:31,722 through others as well. 502 00:32:31,764 --> 00:32:33,682 Through Ghislaine, someone called and threatened me 503 00:32:33,724 --> 00:32:38,646 and said that I should've never spoken to the FBI. 504 00:32:38,688 --> 00:32:44,652 And I had never told anyone, so that scared me. 505 00:32:44,694 --> 00:32:50,491 And then one day Ghislaine called me screaming at me. 506 00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:53,160 She threatened my family's safety. 507 00:32:53,202 --> 00:32:55,538 She threatened to burn our house down. 508 00:32:55,579 --> 00:32:57,540 She threatened to burn my career. 509 00:32:57,581 --> 00:33:02,002 I mean, there were numerous threats made against my life. 510 00:33:02,044 --> 00:33:09,635 ** 511 00:33:09,677 --> 00:33:11,929 Until I experienced the assault, 512 00:33:11,971 --> 00:33:18,561 I had this great amount of respect for Jeffrey, 513 00:33:18,602 --> 00:33:22,106 and I had no idea that he was harming people, so it was -- 514 00:33:22,148 --> 00:33:23,441 he had a long way to fall, 515 00:33:23,482 --> 00:33:24,984 'cause I'd put him up on this pedestal, 516 00:33:25,026 --> 00:33:28,612 but I wouldn't have put anything past Ghislaine, 517 00:33:28,654 --> 00:33:32,366 'cause at that point, I saw what she was. 518 00:33:32,408 --> 00:33:34,201 She's a monster. 519 00:33:34,243 --> 00:33:40,332 ** 520 00:33:43,461 --> 00:33:45,588 ** 521 00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:48,382 -Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 522 00:33:48,424 --> 00:33:55,765 were cast, in this horrific sense, from this same mold. 523 00:33:55,806 --> 00:33:59,477 And the two of them were living between these two worlds 524 00:33:59,518 --> 00:34:04,398 of New York and Palm Beach, 525 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,026 between high society 526 00:34:07,068 --> 00:34:12,990 and this very dark world of Jeffrey's web. 527 00:34:13,032 --> 00:34:20,289 ** 528 00:34:20,331 --> 00:34:27,797 ** 529 00:34:27,838 --> 00:34:29,840 [ Seagulls caw ] 530 00:34:29,882 --> 00:34:36,138 -We now know Epstein utilized his jet to travel back and forth 531 00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:38,933 and started to use the same techniques 532 00:34:38,974 --> 00:34:45,064 he was using in New York down here in South Florida. 533 00:34:45,106 --> 00:34:47,525 And Ghislaine Maxwell was essentially working 534 00:34:47,566 --> 00:34:51,862 as a house madam for Epstein in Palm Beach. 535 00:34:51,904 --> 00:35:01,372 ** 536 00:35:01,414 --> 00:35:02,873 -The first time I went to Florida 537 00:35:02,915 --> 00:35:05,835 with Jeffrey and Ghislaine, I was working for them, 538 00:35:05,876 --> 00:35:09,004 and Ghislaine typically would get up and exercise, 539 00:35:09,046 --> 00:35:17,555 like go swimming, and then she would shop, 540 00:35:17,596 --> 00:35:20,141 and then she would make appointments for Jeffrey. 541 00:35:20,182 --> 00:35:24,812 You know, for massages. 542 00:35:24,854 --> 00:35:31,736 ** 543 00:35:31,777 --> 00:35:33,738 [ Birds chirping ] 544 00:35:33,779 --> 00:35:36,574 -Well, I don't know how she spent her days in Palm Beach. 545 00:35:36,615 --> 00:35:37,908 But I suspect she was probably just 546 00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:40,411 a very well-paid personal assistant. 547 00:35:40,453 --> 00:35:42,121 You know? 548 00:35:42,163 --> 00:35:45,624 Did what he needed to have done and fielded his phone calls, 549 00:35:45,666 --> 00:35:48,794 and I think that she was just sort of a paid wife. 550 00:35:48,836 --> 00:35:52,631 ** 551 00:35:52,673 --> 00:35:53,716 They were here for the same reason 552 00:35:53,758 --> 00:35:55,885 I think everybody else was. 553 00:35:55,926 --> 00:35:59,472 It's Palm Beach and it's the place where you want to be, 554 00:35:59,513 --> 00:36:02,516 especially when there's such horrible and awful winters 555 00:36:02,558 --> 00:36:04,101 in New York. 556 00:36:04,143 --> 00:36:08,814 And also there's a lot of prestige. 557 00:36:08,856 --> 00:36:10,775 It was always seen that Palm Beach 558 00:36:10,816 --> 00:36:12,735 was where the wealthy lived. 559 00:36:14,653 --> 00:36:19,200 And West Palm Beach was where the servants lived. 560 00:36:19,241 --> 00:36:24,705 ** 561 00:36:24,747 --> 00:36:25,956 At seven o'clock in the morning, 562 00:36:25,998 --> 00:36:27,625 you can't get across that bridge. 563 00:36:27,666 --> 00:36:30,294 It's the landscapers and the household staff and the bankers 564 00:36:30,336 --> 00:36:32,129 and the stockbrokers that are all coming to work. 565 00:36:32,171 --> 00:36:35,758 And at 3:30, off they go and then Palm Beachers 566 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,177 have their playpen back to themselves again. 567 00:36:38,219 --> 00:36:41,555 So they go to parties or they go out to dinner. 568 00:36:41,597 --> 00:36:49,689 ** 569 00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:51,899 Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 570 00:36:51,941 --> 00:36:53,859 really kind of worked together as a team 571 00:36:53,901 --> 00:36:57,321 to establish this image in Palm Beach. 572 00:36:57,363 --> 00:37:02,076 ** 573 00:37:02,118 --> 00:37:05,830 -Ghislaine and Jeffrey were out and about 574 00:37:05,871 --> 00:37:08,958 mostly in Mar-a-Lago, all the time. 575 00:37:08,999 --> 00:37:16,006 ** 576 00:37:16,048 --> 00:37:23,055 ** 577 00:37:23,097 --> 00:37:29,937 ** 578 00:37:29,979 --> 00:37:32,523 -Ghislaine Maxwell would attend parties and events 579 00:37:32,565 --> 00:37:33,983 with Jeffrey Epstein 580 00:37:34,025 --> 00:37:37,069 where she would approach young girls in the bathroom, 581 00:37:37,111 --> 00:37:40,364 who were attendants there, working at Mar-a-Lago. 582 00:37:40,406 --> 00:37:49,749 ** 583 00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:53,252 -I'm working at Mar-a-Lago in the spa area, 584 00:37:53,294 --> 00:37:56,088 and that's when Ghislaine came up to me. 585 00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:59,300 She said, "I've got a person that I know 586 00:37:59,341 --> 00:38:06,015 who's actually looking for a travelling masseuse. 587 00:38:06,057 --> 00:38:08,976 If he likes you, we can get you educated, 588 00:38:09,018 --> 00:38:10,728 You'll be a real masseuse, 589 00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:15,232 and you'll get to travel and see the world. 590 00:38:15,274 --> 00:38:20,988 And if you want, I can get you an interview with him." 591 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:26,243 -What you hear is a consistent story, 592 00:38:26,285 --> 00:38:34,043 and that is essentially that Ghislaine seems to be a hunter. 593 00:38:34,085 --> 00:38:37,004 She was out seeking victims for Epstein, 594 00:38:37,046 --> 00:38:39,465 to bring back that game to him 595 00:38:39,507 --> 00:38:45,346 so that he could feed off of his depraved nature and desires. 596 00:38:45,388 --> 00:38:49,016 ** 597 00:38:49,058 --> 00:38:52,728 -One of the girls said Ghislaine went to the mall out there, 598 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:54,271 the Wellington Mall. 599 00:38:54,313 --> 00:38:57,108 Or she went to the Royal Palm Beach Middle School 600 00:38:57,149 --> 00:38:59,276 or Royal Palm Beach High School. 601 00:38:59,318 --> 00:39:02,446 She couldn't prey on girls from the right side of the tracks, 602 00:39:02,488 --> 00:39:04,490 because the girls at the right side of the tracks 603 00:39:04,532 --> 00:39:06,867 in Palm Beach, they had nannies. 604 00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:08,786 They had, you know, stay-at-home mothers. 605 00:39:08,828 --> 00:39:13,624 They had chaperones. 606 00:39:13,666 --> 00:39:17,336 -It's one of those life moments that I'll never forget. 607 00:39:17,378 --> 00:39:21,465 You know, she made it sound like it was a dream come true, 608 00:39:21,507 --> 00:39:23,467 and it wasn't. 609 00:39:23,509 --> 00:39:28,806 ** 610 00:39:28,848 --> 00:39:34,437 Ghislaine walks me up the stairs. 611 00:39:34,478 --> 00:39:37,857 There's this naked guy laying on a massage table 612 00:39:37,898 --> 00:39:40,526 in the middle of the room. 613 00:39:40,568 --> 00:39:42,778 I thought, "Okay, well, this is just how they do it, 614 00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:45,656 I suppose." 615 00:39:45,698 --> 00:39:48,909 We did the back of him, and then when he turned over, 616 00:39:48,951 --> 00:39:56,417 that's when I was instructed to, um... 617 00:39:56,459 --> 00:39:58,753 to... 618 00:39:58,794 --> 00:40:00,337 [ Sighs ] 619 00:40:00,379 --> 00:40:03,257 That's when I was instructed to, um, 620 00:40:03,299 --> 00:40:06,218 get undressed and, um... 621 00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:09,638 and have sex with Jeffrey Epstein. 622 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,102 ** 623 00:40:15,144 --> 00:40:20,191 ** 624 00:40:20,232 --> 00:40:23,069 Ghislaine Maxwell was participating as well. 625 00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:28,157 ** 626 00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:32,620 ** 627 00:40:32,661 --> 00:40:35,998 -Unfortunately, Ghislaine would engage and participate 628 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,042 in some of the depraved events that Jeffrey Epstein 629 00:40:38,084 --> 00:40:43,339 would be engaged in here in Palm Beach. 630 00:40:43,381 --> 00:40:46,050 And she would train other young women 631 00:40:46,092 --> 00:40:48,427 to be able to recruit young girls 632 00:40:48,469 --> 00:40:54,308 and bring them to the home. 633 00:40:54,350 --> 00:40:58,104 -I brought Jeffrey anywhere from 50 to 70 girls. 634 00:40:58,145 --> 00:41:02,149 ** 635 00:41:02,191 --> 00:41:07,071 Just to know that I had any influence on that happening 636 00:41:07,113 --> 00:41:11,909 to somebody else just breaks my heart. 637 00:41:11,951 --> 00:41:14,578 -He needed to have girls on constant call, 638 00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:17,540 in every single state or every place that he goes to, 639 00:41:17,581 --> 00:41:21,168 he's already got people lined up and makers making that happen. 640 00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:23,212 ** 641 00:41:23,254 --> 00:41:26,173 -I was a baby stuck in a world 642 00:41:26,215 --> 00:41:31,929 where grown-ups were allowed to do whatever they wanted. 643 00:41:31,971 --> 00:41:36,434 As an adult, I know it's right to run, 644 00:41:36,475 --> 00:41:39,395 but as a kid, the last thought that I had was, 645 00:41:39,437 --> 00:41:43,607 "Well, this is what life's about." 646 00:41:43,649 --> 00:41:45,109 -I just felt like I had to. 647 00:41:45,151 --> 00:41:46,569 I didn't have an option, like, what was I gonna do? 648 00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:48,988 I was the only one in the room with him. 649 00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:50,489 Like, where was I gonna go? 650 00:41:50,531 --> 00:41:52,033 If I screamed, who was gonna hear me? 651 00:41:52,074 --> 00:41:53,576 Who was gonna come? 652 00:41:53,617 --> 00:42:00,166 ** 653 00:42:00,207 --> 00:42:06,589 ** 654 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:08,382 -Ghislaine controlled the girls. 655 00:42:08,424 --> 00:42:09,967 She was like the madame. 656 00:42:10,009 --> 00:42:14,305 She was the nuts and bolts of the sex trafficking operation. 657 00:42:14,346 --> 00:42:21,645 ** 658 00:42:21,687 --> 00:42:24,190 She would always make sure that the girls were 659 00:42:24,231 --> 00:42:26,484 doing what they were supposed to be doing. 660 00:42:26,525 --> 00:42:35,534 So this was very much a joint effort. 661 00:42:35,576 --> 00:42:38,037 -It's my personal opinion that Ghislaine Maxwell 662 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:39,955 is worse than Jeffrey Epstein. 663 00:42:39,997 --> 00:42:41,999 Here's a girl from a really large family, 664 00:42:42,041 --> 00:42:44,794 a really close family, supposedly. 665 00:42:44,835 --> 00:42:47,838 She has nieces of that age. 666 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,301 ** 667 00:42:52,343 --> 00:42:55,763 What happened is she has so dissociated herself 668 00:42:55,805 --> 00:43:03,020 from the lives of these girls that they were nothing to her. 669 00:43:03,062 --> 00:43:04,563 They were not useful. 670 00:43:04,605 --> 00:43:07,316 They're not seen as real people, because her whole thing 671 00:43:07,358 --> 00:43:10,778 is about, "Who can help me? Who can be useful to me?" 672 00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:12,905 I find that abhorrent. 673 00:43:12,947 --> 00:43:16,701 ** 674 00:43:16,742 --> 00:43:19,412 -Living in that world of wealth and influence, 675 00:43:19,453 --> 00:43:23,332 you lose complete perspective on the rest of society 676 00:43:23,374 --> 00:43:25,543 and frankly, the rest of the world, 677 00:43:25,584 --> 00:43:29,213 and you just think that you are untouchable. 678 00:43:29,255 --> 00:43:31,507 And that's the way that Ghislaine Maxwell operated, 679 00:43:31,549 --> 00:43:36,595 and that's the way that Jeffrey Epstein operated. 680 00:43:36,637 --> 00:43:39,724 And until it all came crashing down around them, 681 00:43:39,765 --> 00:43:42,518 they appeared that they were gonna get away with it. 682 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,399 ** 683 00:43:48,441 --> 00:43:54,321 ** 684 00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:03,122 ** 685 00:44:03,164 --> 00:44:08,753 ** 686 00:44:08,794 --> 00:44:12,173 -Alright. 687 00:44:12,214 --> 00:44:13,841 Thank you so very much for coming down. 688 00:44:13,883 --> 00:44:15,593 -No problem. 689 00:44:15,634 --> 00:44:17,636 -Their antics went on for so long 690 00:44:17,678 --> 00:44:20,347 because they lived under the radar. 691 00:44:20,389 --> 00:44:22,141 -The reason why I wanted to talk to you 692 00:44:22,183 --> 00:44:24,518 is I am conducting an ongoing investigation 693 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,439 on a subject by the name of Jeffrey Epstein. 694 00:44:28,481 --> 00:44:34,445 -The investigation began in 2005 with a tip from a girl's parents 695 00:44:34,487 --> 00:44:37,365 who were worried because they had found, I think, 696 00:44:37,406 --> 00:44:40,409 $300 in their daughter's pocket 697 00:44:40,451 --> 00:44:44,747 after visiting a mansion over in Palm Beach proper. 698 00:44:44,789 --> 00:44:52,880 ** 699 00:44:52,922 --> 00:44:54,924 -If it had not been for the mother of the girl 700 00:44:54,965 --> 00:44:57,843 who complained about, "Where did my daughter get this $300 701 00:44:57,885 --> 00:44:59,178 from a rich man in Palm Beach?" 702 00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:03,641 uh, he would probably still be doing it. 703 00:45:03,682 --> 00:45:05,935 [ Phone rings ] 704 00:45:05,976 --> 00:45:07,395 - Hello? 705 00:45:07,436 --> 00:45:08,562 - Hi, this is Detective Joe Recarey 706 00:45:08,604 --> 00:45:09,897 from the Palm Beach Police. 707 00:45:09,939 --> 00:45:11,899 - Hi. - How are you? 708 00:45:11,941 --> 00:45:14,402 ** 709 00:45:14,443 --> 00:45:17,279 -Well, they had interviews with lots of young women, 710 00:45:17,321 --> 00:45:18,656 and they were all on the record 711 00:45:18,698 --> 00:45:22,076 of having sex with him when they were underage. 712 00:45:22,118 --> 00:45:24,662 -He had a towel over his private parts 713 00:45:24,704 --> 00:45:29,875 and he was just laying on a table. 714 00:45:29,917 --> 00:45:32,253 Yeah. 715 00:45:32,294 --> 00:45:35,172 -And each time you went, did he offer you more monies 716 00:45:35,214 --> 00:45:36,590 to do more things? 717 00:45:36,632 --> 00:45:40,261 -Yes. 718 00:45:40,302 --> 00:45:41,971 -Apparently, the detective learned 719 00:45:42,012 --> 00:45:45,808 that there were recording devices in the house. 720 00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:48,269 There were cameras, and so 721 00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:50,271 one of the things that you almost always do 722 00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:51,689 is you do a search warrant. 723 00:45:51,731 --> 00:45:57,153 ** 724 00:45:57,194 --> 00:46:02,867 ** 725 00:46:02,908 --> 00:46:04,660 What they noticed immediately 726 00:46:04,702 --> 00:46:06,495 when they went and did the search warrant, 727 00:46:06,537 --> 00:46:11,208 they noticed that the computers, the hard drives were missing. 728 00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:13,419 They noticed that with respect to the cameras, 729 00:46:13,461 --> 00:46:18,799 there was no recordings of what the cameras had shown. 730 00:46:18,841 --> 00:46:21,469 So they figured out quite quickly 731 00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:29,477 that Epstein had been tipped off. 732 00:46:29,518 --> 00:46:32,104 But what they were able to find in the search 733 00:46:32,146 --> 00:46:33,773 were written records. 734 00:46:33,814 --> 00:46:38,319 There were records of, sort of, who they were paying. 735 00:46:38,361 --> 00:46:41,822 One of the girls, they found 736 00:46:41,864 --> 00:46:46,160 a certificate from her high school with her name on it. 737 00:46:46,202 --> 00:46:54,001 ** 738 00:46:54,043 --> 00:46:57,421 -They find all kinds of things. 739 00:46:57,463 --> 00:47:01,967 They find message books, 740 00:47:02,009 --> 00:47:08,557 photographs still on the wall of naked women. 741 00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:11,769 -So, they found various pieces of documentary evidence 742 00:47:11,811 --> 00:47:13,312 that confirmed a couple of things. 743 00:47:13,354 --> 00:47:15,439 One, that they were paying girls, 744 00:47:15,481 --> 00:47:18,025 and two, that the girls were underage. 745 00:47:18,067 --> 00:47:19,568 ** 746 00:47:19,610 --> 00:47:22,446 So they believed that that, 747 00:47:22,488 --> 00:47:25,199 combined with the interviews that they had done 748 00:47:25,241 --> 00:47:26,534 with the girls, 749 00:47:26,575 --> 00:47:29,537 that they had a fairly strong case 750 00:47:29,578 --> 00:47:33,249 and that they had a serial pedophile on their hands. 751 00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:35,710 ** 752 00:47:35,751 --> 00:47:37,420 -Reclusive billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, 753 00:47:37,461 --> 00:47:39,797 once labeled one of New York's most eligible bachelors, 754 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:44,719 was investigated by the Palm Beach Police for months. 755 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,680 The police conclusion -- Epstein's Palm Beach mansion 756 00:47:47,722 --> 00:47:49,390 was a revolving door for women, 757 00:47:49,432 --> 00:47:52,893 and in some cases, girls as young as 16, 758 00:47:52,935 --> 00:47:56,772 that according to a voluminous probable cause affidavit. 759 00:47:56,814 --> 00:47:58,816 ** 760 00:47:58,858 --> 00:48:00,860 -They gather all this evidence together 761 00:48:00,901 --> 00:48:05,740 and essentially, present it to the state's attorney. 762 00:48:05,781 --> 00:48:07,867 -And ultimately the State Attorney's office 763 00:48:07,908 --> 00:48:10,453 were going to allow Jeffrey Epstein 764 00:48:10,494 --> 00:48:11,871 to plead guilty to a misdemeanor 765 00:48:11,912 --> 00:48:15,750 of soliciting minors for prostitution. 766 00:48:15,791 --> 00:48:19,587 ** 767 00:48:19,628 --> 00:48:21,839 -If you have any questions, I'd like you to call me, too. 768 00:48:21,881 --> 00:48:23,090 -Absolutely. Absolutely. 769 00:48:23,132 --> 00:48:24,967 I have your cell, and I'll call you direct. 770 00:48:25,009 --> 00:48:28,888 -Well, these girls were about as far removed from prostitution 771 00:48:28,929 --> 00:48:30,473 as you can get. 772 00:48:30,514 --> 00:48:35,186 So, the Palm Beach police were very upset 773 00:48:35,227 --> 00:48:40,024 with the charging decisions that the state attorneys were making. 774 00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:46,280 So they went over to the FBI and they said, 775 00:48:46,322 --> 00:48:49,116 "Look, we have an individual here 776 00:48:49,158 --> 00:48:58,584 who's a serial child molester, if you will, of young girls." 777 00:48:58,626 --> 00:49:01,629 -The FBI comes in at that point, 778 00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:03,005 and then they begin investigating 779 00:49:03,047 --> 00:49:05,633 not only Jeffrey Epstein, but Ms. Maxwell, 780 00:49:05,674 --> 00:49:09,261 in regards to her part in this entire process. 781 00:49:09,303 --> 00:49:13,516 ** 782 00:49:13,557 --> 00:49:16,811 The FBI begins to see this web of other people 783 00:49:16,852 --> 00:49:22,108 that are involved in this conspiracy to abuse young girls. 784 00:49:22,149 --> 00:49:26,153 One of those people, at the top of this pyramid, 785 00:49:26,195 --> 00:49:31,826 is Ghislaine Maxwell. 786 00:49:31,867 --> 00:49:34,704 -So the FBI in Miami took it to Alexander Acosta, 787 00:49:34,745 --> 00:49:36,997 who was the U.S. attorney in Miami. 788 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:44,213 ** 789 00:49:44,255 --> 00:49:51,429 ** 790 00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:54,515 -The Feds didn't prosecute him. 791 00:49:54,557 --> 00:49:55,766 That's no deal. 792 00:49:55,808 --> 00:50:01,355 The Feds did nothing! They did nothing! 793 00:50:01,397 --> 00:50:02,815 -Would you raise your right hand? 794 00:50:02,857 --> 00:50:04,358 -Yes. 795 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,609 -Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give 796 00:50:05,651 --> 00:50:06,902 will be the truth, the whole truth, 797 00:50:06,944 --> 00:50:08,237 and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 798 00:50:08,279 --> 00:50:10,239 -Yes, I do. 799 00:50:10,281 --> 00:50:15,327 So the federal non-prosecution agreement basically said, 800 00:50:15,369 --> 00:50:18,831 "Epstein, you bad boy! 801 00:50:18,873 --> 00:50:21,542 By the way, if you plead guilty to those state charges, 802 00:50:21,584 --> 00:50:22,835 we'll go away." 803 00:50:22,877 --> 00:50:24,378 -Could you please give us your name? 804 00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:27,214 -Jeffrey Epstein. 805 00:50:27,256 --> 00:50:28,883 -The worst part about the FBI is 806 00:50:28,924 --> 00:50:32,053 they never told us that they settled with him. 807 00:50:32,094 --> 00:50:34,472 We did not know he was given a deal. 808 00:50:34,513 --> 00:50:36,348 I-I can't even believe that happened. 809 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:38,392 I mean, it's shocking. 810 00:50:38,434 --> 00:50:45,733 ** 811 00:50:45,775 --> 00:50:50,654 -So, he did plead guilty to state charges 812 00:50:50,696 --> 00:50:53,491 of recruiting minors for prostitution. 813 00:50:53,532 --> 00:50:57,912 ** 814 00:50:57,953 --> 00:51:00,748 -Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10:00 this morning. 815 00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:03,876 He pleaded guilty in open court. 816 00:51:03,918 --> 00:51:06,629 The guilty plea and deal end a years-long process 817 00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:09,590 that could've sent Epstein to jail for 15 years. 818 00:51:09,632 --> 00:51:11,717 ** 819 00:51:11,759 --> 00:51:18,307 -Epstein is given 15 months in jail. 820 00:51:18,349 --> 00:51:27,233 The deal that they made was the dumbest deal in history. 821 00:51:27,274 --> 00:51:31,779 -Not only is it a sweetheart deal, he got rewarded. 822 00:51:31,821 --> 00:51:33,781 How did he get rewarded? 823 00:51:33,823 --> 00:51:41,580 He got immunity for named and unnamed people. 824 00:51:41,622 --> 00:51:44,542 ** 825 00:51:44,583 --> 00:51:48,587 Well, how the heck does that happen? 826 00:51:48,629 --> 00:51:51,048 -Ghislaine Maxwell was definitely a part of 827 00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:53,843 the original investigation by the FBI. 828 00:51:53,884 --> 00:51:56,846 So, we know that she was intimately involved 829 00:51:56,887 --> 00:51:58,347 in the thoughts and processes 830 00:51:58,389 --> 00:52:00,641 of how this ultimate sweetheart deal was negotiated 831 00:52:00,683 --> 00:52:08,816 to provide immunity to unnamed co-conspirators like Ghislaine. 832 00:52:08,858 --> 00:52:11,485 So, my first question as a prosecutor is, 833 00:52:11,527 --> 00:52:14,280 "Oh. Tell me what she did." 834 00:52:14,321 --> 00:52:20,745 ** 835 00:52:24,123 --> 00:52:33,841 ** 836 00:52:33,883 --> 00:52:35,926 -Jeffrey Epstein's arrested. 837 00:52:35,968 --> 00:52:39,805 He's charged. He gets this sweetheart deal. 838 00:52:39,847 --> 00:52:43,142 We printed it, and people were outraged. 839 00:52:43,184 --> 00:52:46,729 But it was a done deal, literally. 840 00:52:46,771 --> 00:52:48,689 -Alex Acosta was the federal prosecutor 841 00:52:48,731 --> 00:52:50,691 who approved that deal for Jeffrey Epstein. 842 00:52:50,733 --> 00:52:53,152 -Alexander Acosta accepted a deal 843 00:52:53,194 --> 00:52:55,446 called a non-prosecution agreement. 844 00:52:55,488 --> 00:52:58,866 The deal also protected Epstein's accomplices 845 00:52:58,908 --> 00:53:02,078 from prosecution. 846 00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:07,792 -Maxwell, and all the others who came on board, walk. 847 00:53:07,833 --> 00:53:10,503 Epstein is allowed out of prison every day 848 00:53:10,544 --> 00:53:13,589 from sunrise to midnight. 849 00:53:13,631 --> 00:53:16,634 He has his own suite in the prison. 850 00:53:16,675 --> 00:53:19,637 This was horrific. 851 00:53:19,678 --> 00:53:22,390 Absolutely horrific. 852 00:53:22,431 --> 00:53:30,189 ** 853 00:53:30,231 --> 00:53:34,402 -Between 10:00 AM and 10:00 PM Fridays through Wednesdays, 854 00:53:34,443 --> 00:53:37,905 Jeffrey Epstein is allowed to leave his temporary home 855 00:53:37,947 --> 00:53:40,241 here at the Palm Beach County Stockade. 856 00:53:40,282 --> 00:53:42,660 -Instead, PBSO says Epstein comes here 857 00:53:42,702 --> 00:53:47,665 to the West Palm Beach office of his Florida Science Foundation. 858 00:53:47,707 --> 00:53:49,709 -Work-release privilege was granted 859 00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:51,585 despite explicit sheriff's department rules 860 00:53:51,627 --> 00:53:56,090 stating that sex offenders don't qualify at all for work release. 861 00:53:56,132 --> 00:54:01,554 ** 862 00:54:01,595 --> 00:54:03,889 -For a victim to be kept in the dark entirely, 863 00:54:03,931 --> 00:54:07,226 in conjunction with an FBI probe being shut down 864 00:54:07,268 --> 00:54:09,562 and a favorable plea, according to reporting 865 00:54:09,603 --> 00:54:12,857 that says he's able to have work release privileges 866 00:54:12,898 --> 00:54:17,028 and be able to leave his jail cell -- 867 00:54:17,069 --> 00:54:19,405 that's what's so shocking about this. 868 00:54:19,447 --> 00:54:23,909 ** 869 00:54:23,951 --> 00:54:25,661 -The Federal Bureau of Investigation 870 00:54:25,703 --> 00:54:29,498 knew that Epstein and Ghislaine had this operation, 871 00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:34,795 and they did nothing. 872 00:54:34,837 --> 00:54:39,425 -The FBI didn't want to know what Ghislaine Maxwell knew. 873 00:54:39,467 --> 00:54:41,594 They didn't want to know what his butler knew 874 00:54:41,635 --> 00:54:48,726 or what the pilots on his private plane knew. 875 00:54:48,768 --> 00:54:52,021 In fact, it was just the opposite. 876 00:54:52,063 --> 00:54:55,900 This was a case where they tried to get people to shut up. 877 00:54:55,941 --> 00:54:59,779 This was a cover-up. 878 00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:01,364 -Look, Bill Clinton's name 879 00:55:01,405 --> 00:55:02,948 has been attached to Jeffrey Epstein. 880 00:55:02,990 --> 00:55:04,408 Donald Trump's name has been attached to -- 881 00:55:04,450 --> 00:55:07,119 I mean, it is a who's who of people that have been. 882 00:55:07,161 --> 00:55:13,042 It just smells as if some large hand said, 883 00:55:13,084 --> 00:55:16,170 "We don't want this. Keep this rock..." 884 00:55:16,212 --> 00:55:17,588 -Well, it's a who's who of defense lawyers 885 00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:20,216 on the other side. 886 00:55:20,257 --> 00:55:22,718 -They had a 53-count indictment against him. 887 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,470 All of the sudden, it disappears? 888 00:55:24,512 --> 00:55:26,847 Why? Why would that happen? 889 00:55:26,889 --> 00:55:28,724 How could that happen? 890 00:55:28,766 --> 00:55:33,270 ** 891 00:55:33,312 --> 00:55:34,772 -The first time I heard about 892 00:55:34,814 --> 00:55:38,609 the surveillance videos and tapes 893 00:55:38,651 --> 00:55:43,698 was from an extremely close friend of Ghislaine. 894 00:55:43,739 --> 00:55:49,620 ** 895 00:55:49,662 --> 00:55:51,455 ** 896 00:55:51,497 --> 00:55:54,750 -I saw where the cameras were at the 71st Street house 897 00:55:54,792 --> 00:55:58,504 because he showed me the room and so I looked on those cameras 898 00:55:58,546 --> 00:56:01,966 and I saw that they were all very private scenes. 899 00:56:02,007 --> 00:56:03,634 And it was -- they were taping, like, 900 00:56:03,676 --> 00:56:07,763 the bathroom and the beds. 901 00:56:07,805 --> 00:56:13,144 -According to Ghislaine, there were secret surveillance tapes 902 00:56:13,185 --> 00:56:16,605 of the powerful people he had captured 903 00:56:16,647 --> 00:56:19,734 having sex in his bedrooms. 904 00:56:19,775 --> 00:56:22,153 Presumably, with underage girls. 905 00:56:22,194 --> 00:56:24,488 And that was his weapon. 906 00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:27,366 ** 907 00:56:27,408 --> 00:56:34,165 -Jeffrey and Ghislaine may have been sitting on videotapes. 908 00:56:34,206 --> 00:56:36,834 This was incriminating evidence against 909 00:56:36,876 --> 00:56:39,170 some of the rich and powerful individuals 910 00:56:39,211 --> 00:56:46,260 that they did business with. 911 00:56:46,302 --> 00:56:50,681 -I believe Jeffrey and Ghislaine were working together. 912 00:56:50,723 --> 00:56:52,349 Ghislaine was getting children, 913 00:56:52,391 --> 00:56:56,604 and then they were being put into horrible situations 914 00:56:56,645 --> 00:57:01,859 with these dignitaries and these men. 915 00:57:01,901 --> 00:57:03,778 -Just in my opinion from observing, 916 00:57:03,819 --> 00:57:06,697 there was a definite blackmail operation going on. 917 00:57:06,739 --> 00:57:15,998 ** 918 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:25,508 ** 919 00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:34,767 ** 920 00:57:34,809 --> 00:57:44,276 ** 921 00:57:44,318 --> 00:57:53,661 ** 922 00:57:55,871 --> 00:58:05,798 ** 923 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:16,016 ** 923 00:58:17,305 --> 00:59:17,754 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/892f5 Help other users to choose the best subtitles 69400

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