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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:46,678 Would you welcome, please, Dr. Carl Sagan. 2 00:00:47,982 --> 00:00:49,363 Well what's new in space, Carl? 3 00:00:49,383 --> 00:00:51,031 Think of a civilization 4 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:53,167 on a different planet evolved under 5 00:00:53,187 --> 00:00:55,369 quite different circumstances than here. 6 00:00:55,389 --> 00:00:57,638 What is their art like, their music? 7 00:00:57,658 --> 00:01:02,309 Think of how we'd be able to view ourselves in a new way. 8 00:01:02,329 --> 00:01:04,044 There's another aspect to it, too, and that is 9 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:07,381 we are at a very dangerous moment in human history. 10 00:01:07,401 --> 00:01:10,250 We're in the process of inadvertently altering our climate 11 00:01:10,270 --> 00:01:14,655 and exhaustion of fossil fuels, all kinds of problems 12 00:01:14,675 --> 00:01:16,523 which come with technology. 13 00:01:16,543 --> 00:01:19,526 Is it true that all television radio shows 14 00:01:19,546 --> 00:01:22,128 that are sent out travel forever through the void? 15 00:01:22,148 --> 00:01:25,732 Yep, they do, signals that are sent out, 16 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:28,020 including this program. 17 00:01:51,778 --> 00:01:54,161 Here's a look at our seven-day forecast 18 00:01:54,181 --> 00:01:57,497 for the beaches, the valleys, and the metro area. 19 00:01:57,517 --> 00:02:00,953 Take a look at that, 70s, 80s, and valleys next weekend... 20 00:02:03,189 --> 00:02:05,572 I would come to your home every single week, 21 00:02:05,592 --> 00:02:07,041 to teach you how to cook. 22 00:02:07,061 --> 00:02:08,575 Ladies and gentlemen, 23 00:02:08,595 --> 00:02:11,263 please welcome our next bachelor, Peter! 24 00:02:14,535 --> 00:02:17,051 Argue that a lack of genetic diversity, 25 00:02:17,071 --> 00:02:19,586 naturally occurring pests and the rigors of 26 00:02:19,606 --> 00:02:20,987 being trucked from crop to crop 27 00:02:21,007 --> 00:02:24,476 could all be to blame for the death of bees. 28 00:02:29,416 --> 00:02:30,797 The Brazilian government decided that 29 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:32,733 saving a rainforest should take a back seat 30 00:02:32,753 --> 00:02:34,068 to their economic development. 31 00:02:34,088 --> 00:02:36,070 Marches occurred one week 32 00:02:36,090 --> 00:02:37,404 after the earth day marches for science, 33 00:02:37,424 --> 00:02:38,872 which has demanded respect for 34 00:02:38,892 --> 00:02:40,659 fact-based, scientific research. 35 00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:43,810 The Committee on Science, 36 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:45,946 Space and Technology will come to order. 37 00:02:45,966 --> 00:02:48,082 Welcome to today's hearing titled 38 00:02:48,102 --> 00:02:50,016 "The Search for Biosignatures 39 00:02:50,036 --> 00:02:51,970 in our Solar System and beyond." 40 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:55,974 Do you think there's life out there? 41 00:02:57,778 --> 00:02:59,093 And are they studying us and 42 00:02:59,113 --> 00:03:00,779 what do they think about New York City? 43 00:03:02,649 --> 00:03:05,031 Well, let me just say that in our own Milky Way Galaxy 44 00:03:05,051 --> 00:03:07,901 there are a hundred billion stars and we now believe 45 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:08,902 in our universe we have more than 46 00:03:08,922 --> 00:03:10,771 a hundred billion galaxies. 47 00:03:10,791 --> 00:03:12,907 So if you just do the math, the chance that there's a planet 48 00:03:12,927 --> 00:03:15,928 like earth out there with life on it is very high. 49 00:03:16,930 --> 00:03:18,579 I just want you to speculate. 50 00:03:18,599 --> 00:03:21,582 Do you think, in what timeframe might we 51 00:03:21,602 --> 00:03:24,718 expect to find some evidence of, say, 52 00:03:24,738 --> 00:03:28,455 microbial life elsewhere in the universe? 53 00:03:28,475 --> 00:03:30,056 I always like to start by saying 54 00:03:30,076 --> 00:03:31,543 scientists never like to speculate. 55 00:03:32,679 --> 00:03:33,994 We always like facts. 56 00:03:34,014 --> 00:03:35,061 But they always do. 57 00:03:35,081 --> 00:03:36,997 But we always do, correct. 58 00:03:37,017 --> 00:03:39,933 So we now finally know that exoplanets exist and are common 59 00:03:39,953 --> 00:03:42,136 but on the other side lies the possibility 60 00:03:42,156 --> 00:03:45,005 to find the true earths with signs of life. 61 00:03:45,025 --> 00:03:46,873 The point I want to make is this is the first time 62 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:49,943 in human history we have the technological reach 63 00:03:49,963 --> 00:03:51,411 to cross the great threshold 64 00:03:51,431 --> 00:03:53,013 with the James Webb Space Telescope. 65 00:03:53,033 --> 00:03:55,215 Most optimistic, then, next 5 to 10 years? 66 00:03:55,235 --> 00:03:57,751 Yes, the most optimistic is within a decade. 67 00:03:57,771 --> 00:03:58,771 Okay. 68 00:04:11,185 --> 00:04:12,499 Slow down, slow down. 69 00:04:12,519 --> 00:04:13,767 Slow down, slow. 70 00:04:13,787 --> 00:04:15,902 Got it. 71 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:16,922 Keep pushing. 72 00:04:18,792 --> 00:04:20,626 Good speed, guys, good speed. 73 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:23,978 Someone telling us where to stop? 74 00:04:23,998 --> 00:04:25,646 This is the largest space telescope 75 00:04:25,666 --> 00:04:27,766 humanity has ever conceived of. 76 00:04:31,071 --> 00:04:34,640 We're never done anything this audacious in space before. 77 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:41,980 We have a thousand people working on this project right now. 78 00:04:45,419 --> 00:04:48,202 If it works, it's going to see deeper into space 79 00:04:48,222 --> 00:04:50,255 than any other telescope in history. 80 00:04:53,026 --> 00:04:54,741 This is the largest mission, 81 00:04:54,761 --> 00:04:56,828 non-human space flight that NASA has ever done. 82 00:04:58,699 --> 00:05:01,233 It looks at areas that the Hubble could never see. 83 00:05:02,769 --> 00:05:04,484 The James Webb Space Telescope certainly is 84 00:05:04,504 --> 00:05:07,020 the most complex telescope anyone's ever built. 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,755 This is a chance to measure myself 86 00:05:08,775 --> 00:05:10,624 against one of the hardest problems 87 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:15,295 man has set himself the goal to do. 88 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:18,899 This is the huge eye in the sky and it's going to capture 89 00:05:18,919 --> 00:05:20,819 the very first light of the universe. 90 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:24,104 We're going to test it. 91 00:05:24,124 --> 00:05:26,573 We're going to pack it up in a rocket, shoot it out 92 00:05:26,593 --> 00:05:29,576 and we don't know what we're going to find. 93 00:05:29,596 --> 00:05:31,978 But the slightest thing that could go wrong 94 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:34,132 could actually mean this mission could fail. 95 00:06:11,972 --> 00:06:13,553 So you've loved astronomy 96 00:06:13,573 --> 00:06:15,155 since you were a kid, right? 97 00:06:15,175 --> 00:06:17,557 Yeah, I got into it as a child. 98 00:06:17,577 --> 00:06:19,745 My dad won a cottage in a crap game. 99 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:22,829 The attraction of going down there 100 00:06:22,849 --> 00:06:24,631 and having these light pollution-free skies 101 00:06:24,651 --> 00:06:26,166 and seeing the summer Milky Way, 102 00:06:26,186 --> 00:06:28,302 you know, the odd satellite. 103 00:06:28,322 --> 00:06:30,370 And I was old enough to be around when 104 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:33,039 Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. 105 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:34,641 That made a big impression on you? 106 00:06:34,661 --> 00:06:36,843 Yeah, that whole space race 107 00:06:36,863 --> 00:06:39,780 and the fact that we stepped on another planet. 108 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,648 That we left this earth and all that. 109 00:06:41,668 --> 00:06:43,368 Yeah, it left a huge impression on me. 110 00:06:45,271 --> 00:06:46,720 How do you think the seeing will be tonight? 111 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:48,573 It's supposed to clear up later. 112 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:52,770 I don't know if the transparency is going to get any better. 113 00:06:53,613 --> 00:06:54,853 Hopefully we can see something. 114 00:06:57,151 --> 00:06:59,333 You know, I think everyone is intrigued by astronomy 115 00:06:59,353 --> 00:07:02,068 because it's about the big questions. 116 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:03,737 Where did we come from? 117 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:06,006 How did the universe begin? 118 00:07:06,026 --> 00:07:07,026 Are we alone? 119 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:10,344 An amazing thing right now is that we're on the verge 120 00:07:10,364 --> 00:07:12,204 of really being able to answer these questions. 121 00:07:12,899 --> 00:07:13,899 It's an exciting time. 122 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,821 It's still mind boggling. 123 00:07:21,841 --> 00:07:23,490 You're involved now with looking for 124 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:27,160 extraterrestrial intelligence, right? 125 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,163 How do you go about looking? 126 00:07:29,183 --> 00:07:30,982 Why do children learn how to walk? 127 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:33,767 I don't know, I mean, they just do. 128 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,435 They're driven somehow by 129 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:37,335 a force inside of them that they can't identify. 130 00:07:39,259 --> 00:07:40,640 I don't know why I'm doing this. 131 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:42,100 I just feel compelled to go forward. 132 00:07:44,264 --> 00:07:46,380 When I was a small child, 133 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,914 I went with my dad on a camping trip. 134 00:07:47,934 --> 00:07:49,449 It was his first and last camping trip. 135 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,252 But fortunately, you know, he made it happen. 136 00:07:52,272 --> 00:07:53,987 And I remember waking up in the middle of the night 137 00:07:54,007 --> 00:07:56,656 and stepping outside the tent and I looked up 138 00:07:56,676 --> 00:08:00,326 and it was my first ever view of a truly dark sky. 139 00:08:00,346 --> 00:08:03,063 And I saw so many stars. 140 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:04,216 I went, "Wow." 141 00:08:05,752 --> 00:08:07,934 I had never imagined that was possible. 142 00:08:07,954 --> 00:08:09,469 I couldn't even count them. 143 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:10,989 And they were so bright. 144 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,327 And a little later my father took me to a star party 145 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:19,345 and I remember looking at the moon through a telescope 146 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:21,815 and I went, "Wow." 147 00:08:21,835 --> 00:08:23,950 I couldn't believe that the moon that I had seen 148 00:08:23,970 --> 00:08:27,287 so many times actually had craters on it. 149 00:08:27,307 --> 00:08:28,955 I saw an unbelievable amount of detail. 150 00:08:28,975 --> 00:08:30,242 I just didn't know it existed. 151 00:08:31,244 --> 00:08:33,227 And at some point I realized, 152 00:08:33,247 --> 00:08:35,161 I don't know how I had the foresight at a young age, 153 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:37,097 but I thought, "You know I'm not going to study physics, 154 00:08:37,117 --> 00:08:39,032 I'm not going to be a doctor like my father wanted me to be. 155 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:41,101 I'm going to apply for graduate school in astronomy." 156 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:42,702 Great. - It's called Fernando. 157 00:08:42,722 --> 00:08:44,370 Wow, I didn't even realize it was this portable. 158 00:08:44,390 --> 00:08:45,972 We're going to move it into the dark room. 159 00:08:45,992 --> 00:08:47,641 I started out working on exoplanets. 160 00:08:47,661 --> 00:08:49,843 You mean not Jupiter, Venus, Mars, et cetera? 161 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:51,978 Yes, planets orbiting a star other than our sun. 162 00:08:51,998 --> 00:08:54,114 What's so cool is you can build your own space satellite. 163 00:08:54,134 --> 00:08:55,315 At the time, people really didn't 164 00:08:55,335 --> 00:08:57,517 think that was a good idea. 165 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:59,052 People would come up to me and say, 166 00:08:59,072 --> 00:09:00,386 "You can talk to my advisor. 167 00:09:00,406 --> 00:09:01,922 He thinks exoplanets are nothing. 168 00:09:01,942 --> 00:09:03,657 You shouldn't be doing this, he'll tell you." 169 00:09:03,677 --> 00:09:05,191 Professors would say, 170 00:09:05,211 --> 00:09:07,060 "Look, I see people are finding planets. 171 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,262 I kind of believe them but we'll never 172 00:09:09,282 --> 00:09:11,465 be able to study their atmospheres." 173 00:09:11,485 --> 00:09:14,734 And when I was on the job market as a junior faculty 174 00:09:14,754 --> 00:09:17,070 there was one single transiting planet known. 175 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:19,139 HD-209458B. 176 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:22,208 And they'd say, "Look, Sarah, I get there's this one object. 177 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:24,729 I think it's a one object, one method, success. 178 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:28,567 I don't know if this field's going to go anywhere." 179 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:30,970 Hey! 180 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:41,561 The Webb Telescope is a hundred times 181 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:43,214 more powerful than Hubble. 182 00:09:44,784 --> 00:09:46,633 The telescopes keep getting bigger because 183 00:09:46,653 --> 00:09:48,368 the bigger the telescope the better the resolution. 184 00:09:48,388 --> 00:09:50,103 You know, we wouldn't have built a 185 00:09:50,123 --> 00:09:51,705 telescope this big unless we needed to. 186 00:09:51,725 --> 00:09:53,239 And you need to build a telescope this big 187 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:54,708 if you want to look at the very dimmest, 188 00:09:54,728 --> 00:09:57,095 most earliest galaxies in the universe. 189 00:09:59,866 --> 00:10:01,181 The James Webb Space Telescope 190 00:10:01,201 --> 00:10:02,849 is not just a machine built by engineers 191 00:10:02,869 --> 00:10:04,450 and scientists to look out to the universe. 192 00:10:04,470 --> 00:10:07,988 it's taking humanity on a journey. 193 00:10:08,008 --> 00:10:09,990 We're going to enter a completely new 194 00:10:10,010 --> 00:10:13,259 part of observational space where we've never trod before. 195 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,261 And every time we've done this as a species 196 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:16,715 we've discovered new things. 197 00:10:21,888 --> 00:10:24,938 We have just received the 18 hexagons that 198 00:10:24,958 --> 00:10:27,073 make up the big mirror that collects 199 00:10:27,093 --> 00:10:29,160 the starlight and focuses it on the camera. 200 00:10:31,097 --> 00:10:32,478 Gold has very unique properties 201 00:10:32,498 --> 00:10:34,080 in terms of reflecting infrared light. 202 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:36,082 And this is an infrared telescope. 203 00:10:36,102 --> 00:10:37,268 So that's why we choose gold. 204 00:10:38,905 --> 00:10:40,354 I think people want us to build this telescope 205 00:10:40,374 --> 00:10:42,355 because they want to know how we got here. 206 00:10:42,375 --> 00:10:44,175 I want to know how we got here. 207 00:10:45,712 --> 00:10:47,694 You know, we started the James Webb Telescope 208 00:10:47,714 --> 00:10:50,764 to look at the cosmos and the early universe 209 00:10:50,784 --> 00:10:53,032 but we've discovered that it's so much more powerful. 210 00:10:53,052 --> 00:10:54,634 that it can do new things. 211 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,971 And we're seeing teams of people led by women 212 00:10:57,991 --> 00:11:00,358 taking that scientific direction somewhere else. 213 00:11:01,394 --> 00:11:03,043 Taking it to try and understand, 214 00:11:03,063 --> 00:11:05,230 could there possibly be life out there. 215 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:15,721 Do you have any estimate for 216 00:11:15,741 --> 00:11:17,457 how many nights you spent up at the Crocker Dome? 217 00:11:17,477 --> 00:11:20,460 Oh my gosh, between 2000 and 2003 218 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,463 we spent so many nights up here. 219 00:11:23,483 --> 00:11:25,198 And it's quite remote, right? 220 00:11:25,218 --> 00:11:26,600 That's the thing, there's no bathroom. 221 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:28,334 Right - There's no internet. 222 00:11:28,354 --> 00:11:30,270 There were so many creatures along this path. 223 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:32,072 When I started in the late 1990s 224 00:11:32,092 --> 00:11:33,807 we were trying to find planets using 225 00:11:33,827 --> 00:11:36,227 this small telescope up at Lick Observatory. 226 00:11:37,497 --> 00:11:39,479 We were using this new technique. 227 00:11:39,499 --> 00:11:41,147 It had never been done before. 228 00:11:41,167 --> 00:11:43,016 And people were very skeptical. 229 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:46,820 In fact, the whole thing was built on a shoestring budget. 230 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,290 But it was so compelling to work on a project 231 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:52,492 that had the possibility of detecting 232 00:11:52,512 --> 00:11:55,295 an Earth-like planet in the future. 233 00:11:55,315 --> 00:11:56,562 I do remember this padlock. 234 00:11:56,582 --> 00:11:57,563 Yeah. 235 00:11:57,583 --> 00:11:59,499 Is it possible to get in? 236 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:00,900 No, unfortunately I don't have the key right now. 237 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,768 - Oh. - I wasn't prepared. 238 00:12:02,788 --> 00:12:03,903 All of the instruments have been taken out, right? 239 00:12:03,923 --> 00:12:05,171 Yeah, there's nothing in there 240 00:12:05,191 --> 00:12:06,973 It's just some empty shelves. 241 00:12:06,993 --> 00:12:10,844 This is not the astronomer's ideal weather conditions. 242 00:12:10,864 --> 00:12:12,245 Isn't this a way to understand 243 00:12:12,265 --> 00:12:13,847 why we had to go to space? 244 00:12:13,867 --> 00:12:16,450 You know, to find planets, you need to stare unblinkingly. 245 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:19,719 So besides the fact that the sun gets in our way sometimes, 246 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:22,856 we have day, the weather does too. 247 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:25,276 So no observations are going to be done tonight. 248 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,261 You spent a lot of years 249 00:12:28,281 --> 00:12:29,395 up here at Lick looking for exoplanets. 250 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:30,930 Did you find any? 251 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:33,933 We found hundreds of periodic dimmings of light, 252 00:12:33,953 --> 00:12:37,137 but none of them turned out to be bonafide planets. 253 00:12:37,157 --> 00:12:41,074 The analogy I'd like to use is to imagine a skyscraper 254 00:12:41,094 --> 00:12:43,209 80 stories high in New York City, 255 00:12:43,229 --> 00:12:45,611 and you've got all of these windows and it's nighttime. 256 00:12:45,631 --> 00:12:48,147 All the windows are illuminated. 257 00:12:48,167 --> 00:12:50,484 And one person goes to one window 258 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:53,404 and lowers the blinds by about a centimeter. 259 00:12:55,108 --> 00:12:57,742 That's the change in brightness we had to be able to detect. 260 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:05,164 In the beginning, it was a lonely field. 261 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:06,484 Very few planets were known. 262 00:13:08,254 --> 00:13:11,437 Months would go by and not a new planet would be discovered. 263 00:13:11,457 --> 00:13:14,440 Nevertheless, I knew the field would explode and I'd say, 264 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:15,575 "Look, I know there's going to be 265 00:13:15,595 --> 00:13:17,110 so many planets transiting we're 266 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:18,778 not gonna be able to count them all. 267 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:20,514 And they'd be, "No, I don't believe it." 268 00:13:20,534 --> 00:13:22,115 And so they didn't believe it, they didn't hire me. 269 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:24,317 And then came Kepler. 270 00:13:24,337 --> 00:13:27,521 Three, two, one, zero. 271 00:13:27,541 --> 00:13:31,190 And liftoff of the Delta 2 Rocket with Kepler 272 00:13:31,210 --> 00:13:33,178 on a search for planets like our own. 273 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:38,531 The Kepler Space Telescope 274 00:13:38,551 --> 00:13:40,385 monitored one small section of the sky 275 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:43,521 and it found thousands of planets. 276 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,393 Another Earth is undoubtedly out there. 277 00:13:50,029 --> 00:13:51,210 In our own Milky Way Galaxy we have 278 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:52,812 hundreds of billions of stars. 279 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,882 Our own universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies. 280 00:13:55,902 --> 00:13:58,169 To me personally, it is definitely there. 281 00:14:02,375 --> 00:14:03,489 Oh there you are. 282 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:04,758 There you are. 283 00:14:04,778 --> 00:14:06,092 Good morning everyone, sorry I'm late. 284 00:14:06,112 --> 00:14:07,560 Hey, Natalie. 285 00:14:07,580 --> 00:14:08,694 We have a good group in the room today. 286 00:14:08,714 --> 00:14:10,363 All right. 287 00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:12,365 Well, the last few meetings we've had 288 00:14:12,385 --> 00:14:14,434 one planet candidate in each batch. 289 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:15,769 Yeah. 290 00:14:15,789 --> 00:14:16,702 We rely on a few core experts. 291 00:14:16,722 --> 00:14:18,638 Natalie's one of them. 292 00:14:18,658 --> 00:14:21,174 Natalie was one of the leaders of the Kepler mission. 293 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:23,176 Kepler was so pioneering. 294 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,378 It opened our eyes for the first time. 295 00:14:25,398 --> 00:14:27,180 And TESS is now just finding objects 296 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,001 around closer stars and smaller stars as well. 297 00:14:31,270 --> 00:14:31,785 Okay. 298 00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:33,919 Okay. 299 00:14:33,939 --> 00:14:35,655 How are you detecting these exoplanets? 300 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:37,723 Well, nowadays, the best way to find planets 301 00:14:37,743 --> 00:14:39,192 is by the transit technique. 302 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:42,262 If this represents our star and this blue 303 00:14:42,282 --> 00:14:45,799 represents a planet, if you're lucky, 304 00:14:45,819 --> 00:14:47,667 the planet will orbit such that it 305 00:14:47,687 --> 00:14:50,870 passes in front of the star as seen from the telescope. 306 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:53,024 Then the starlight drops by a tiny amount. 307 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,880 Thousands of planets have been detected this way. 308 00:14:58,498 --> 00:15:01,681 They range from smaller than Earth size to Jupiter size. 309 00:15:01,701 --> 00:15:03,549 So Aylin showed me this one yesterday. 310 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:05,151 I like this one. 311 00:15:05,171 --> 00:15:06,686 Look how long the transit duration is, too. 312 00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:08,221 This one also has century offset. 313 00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:10,156 We're hoping to find and identify 314 00:15:10,176 --> 00:15:11,624 the pool of transiting planets 315 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:14,160 in the habitable zones of small stars. 316 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:17,563 Not too hot, not too cold, but just right for life. 317 00:15:17,583 --> 00:15:19,232 The Goldilocks zone. 318 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:20,500 Onto the next one. 319 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:21,968 Next one looks great. 320 00:15:21,988 --> 00:15:24,170 One system that had two viable planet candidates 321 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:26,172 that were very exciting, so it was super... 322 00:15:26,192 --> 00:15:27,640 So you want to study these candidates 323 00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:29,242 with the James Webb Space Telescope? 324 00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:30,510 Yeah. 325 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:32,312 Actually the question often comes up. 326 00:15:32,332 --> 00:15:34,648 How much time are we going to get for exoplanets? 327 00:15:34,668 --> 00:15:38,384 You know, if we find a rocky planet with a thin atmosphere 328 00:15:38,404 --> 00:15:40,786 in the habitable zone of an M star, do you have any idea 329 00:15:40,806 --> 00:15:42,321 how much telescope time we're going to need 330 00:15:42,341 --> 00:15:43,789 to look at that planet's atmosphere? 331 00:15:43,809 --> 00:15:45,258 We have five more to go, or six. 332 00:15:45,278 --> 00:15:46,792 Yeah, let's kill it. 333 00:15:46,812 --> 00:15:48,594 Given that our own atmosphere 334 00:15:48,614 --> 00:15:51,664 contains thousands of gases, we expect alien atmospheres 335 00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:53,933 to also contain thousands of gases. 336 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,802 And my job is to figure out how each one of those gases 337 00:15:56,822 --> 00:16:01,274 interacts with light. And some molecules, like oxygen, 338 00:16:01,294 --> 00:16:05,611 we send out into space, life does, but other things do too. 339 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:08,748 Some molecules, like phosphine, only life 340 00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:11,217 sends out into the atmosphere. 341 00:16:11,237 --> 00:16:14,153 And so this is one of the reasons I'm so fond of it 342 00:16:14,173 --> 00:16:17,608 because although it's rare, and actually quite poisonous, 343 00:16:18,711 --> 00:16:21,094 only life makes it on Earth. 344 00:16:21,114 --> 00:16:25,550 And so it's an unequivocal sign of life. 345 00:16:27,186 --> 00:16:28,701 My generation, we're betting on 346 00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:30,636 the fact that nature delivers. 347 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:34,173 That life can originate and evolve anywhere given the chance 348 00:16:34,193 --> 00:16:35,641 and we're planning on finding it. 349 00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:36,928 There's no question. 350 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:50,523 At some point you build a telescope 351 00:16:50,543 --> 00:16:52,058 that's too big to fit in a rocket 352 00:16:52,078 --> 00:16:54,727 and James Webb would not fit in a rocket. 353 00:16:54,747 --> 00:16:55,929 So we had to make the primary mirror 354 00:16:55,949 --> 00:16:57,530 into individual segments. 355 00:16:57,550 --> 00:17:01,334 It's been done on the ground once or twice but 356 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,603 doing it in space as a whole other set of challenges. 357 00:17:03,623 --> 00:17:05,405 Is it going to hold, is it going to keep it strength? 358 00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:07,759 Is it going to keep its alignment, will it deploy? 359 00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:14,480 This is a worldwide telescope. 360 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:17,483 It's the collective investment from the US 361 00:17:17,503 --> 00:17:21,220 and the European Space Agency and the Canadian Space Agency, 362 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,157 that all these countries are willing to make, 363 00:17:24,177 --> 00:17:26,677 to reach the edge of the universe. 364 00:17:28,181 --> 00:17:29,747 Separating from the upper stage. 365 00:17:30,850 --> 00:17:31,765 Separating. 366 00:17:31,785 --> 00:17:34,033 We're going to L2. 367 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:35,969 The stakes are tremendous. 368 00:17:35,989 --> 00:17:39,172 If you think back to Mars Science Lab, Curiosity. 369 00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:41,106 That seven minutes of terror waiting for it 370 00:17:41,126 --> 00:17:43,977 to get to the surface, we were all holding our breath. 371 00:17:43,997 --> 00:17:45,244 I didn't hold it for seven minutes 372 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,046 but I held it for a long time 373 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:49,515 waiting for that signal back from the surface. 374 00:17:49,535 --> 00:17:51,584 In this case we're going to hold out breaths 375 00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:54,320 for a couple of weeks, because that's how long 376 00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:55,721 it's gonna take to get all those 377 00:17:55,741 --> 00:17:58,057 deployments out after launch. 378 00:17:58,077 --> 00:17:59,859 Adding whatever Delta V we need. 379 00:17:59,879 --> 00:18:02,996 There are over 300 or 400 380 00:18:03,016 --> 00:18:05,731 different operations that have to occur in space 381 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:09,002 to make this telescope actually come to life. 382 00:18:09,022 --> 00:18:11,404 A huge sunshade has to deploy, 383 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,739 which is the size of a tennis court. 384 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:15,475 At this point, things get pretty critical 385 00:18:15,495 --> 00:18:16,942 because now everything starts to cool quickly. 386 00:18:16,962 --> 00:18:18,944 Follow the red for maximum power. 387 00:18:18,964 --> 00:18:20,814 So now we've got to get the telescope unfolded 388 00:18:20,834 --> 00:18:23,101 before it gets too cold and the joints freeze up. 389 00:18:24,637 --> 00:18:26,619 Then we got to get the instruments started. 390 00:18:26,639 --> 00:18:28,087 And each one of these things 391 00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:30,808 has to work perfectly first time. 392 00:18:35,715 --> 00:18:36,629 Hello? 393 00:18:36,649 --> 00:18:37,763 Hi, how are you? 394 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:39,232 Good. 395 00:18:39,252 --> 00:18:40,566 So about the James Webb, what's new? 396 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:41,701 What's the latest going on? 397 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:42,768 It's very exciting. 398 00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:44,503 Lots of things. 399 00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:46,972 The spacecraft structure is moving along like gangbusters. 400 00:18:46,992 --> 00:18:49,575 We're making the flight membranes. 401 00:18:49,595 --> 00:18:51,044 Pathfinder is delivered. 402 00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:53,512 So basically, it's almost all the balls 403 00:18:53,532 --> 00:18:54,714 are in the air at this point. 404 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:56,515 Sometimes we hear rumors 405 00:18:56,535 --> 00:18:58,384 of something that's not going so well. 406 00:18:58,404 --> 00:18:59,853 Is there anything like that that you're worried about, 407 00:18:59,873 --> 00:19:01,520 you personally, or is it all under control? 408 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:03,856 There are always little problems. 409 00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:04,858 Nothing insurmountable. 410 00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:06,526 Yeah. 411 00:19:06,546 --> 00:19:08,127 The thing that keeps me up at night 412 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:10,263 and prevents my hair from growing back 413 00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:13,599 is the problem we haven't thought of. 414 00:19:13,619 --> 00:19:15,935 That failure of imagination. 415 00:19:15,955 --> 00:19:20,339 Right now we're on schedule and making flight hardware. 416 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,941 Well, it's so great to hear that 417 00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:23,409 because the entire science community, 418 00:19:23,429 --> 00:19:25,611 you know, in exoplanets, is ramping up here. 419 00:19:25,631 --> 00:19:27,346 Everybody's so excited about the James Webb. 420 00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:28,948 But I don't know if you realize 421 00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:30,816 how much they're counting on this. 422 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:33,953 I'm aware that my customers are very anxious 423 00:19:33,973 --> 00:19:35,821 for the Webb Telescope to get on orbit. 424 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:37,757 Yeah, it's pressure, but it's also gratefulness 425 00:19:37,777 --> 00:19:40,226 that all you and your team and people are working so hard 426 00:19:40,246 --> 00:19:42,161 to make sure every last thing works. 427 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:43,496 Okay. - Okay, bye. 428 00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:44,815 Bye bye. 429 00:19:45,785 --> 00:19:47,032 Good, huh? 430 00:19:47,052 --> 00:19:48,172 That's a great conversation. 431 00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:51,571 He's like basically the brains behind the whole thing. 432 00:19:51,591 --> 00:19:53,239 And you know, sometimes, I didn't ask him this time, 433 00:19:53,259 --> 00:19:54,640 but almost every time I ask him like, 434 00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:56,375 "Well, what if something bad happens to you 435 00:19:56,395 --> 00:19:58,195 and you get hit by a bus, who's the next guy?" 436 00:20:11,144 --> 00:20:13,326 There's a couple of race series that 437 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:16,013 got started in the last five years or so. 438 00:20:20,085 --> 00:20:22,735 My husband and I, we go on Craigslist, 439 00:20:22,755 --> 00:20:24,537 look for a really cheap car and then 440 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,757 drag it home and fix it up, race it. 441 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:32,011 Being a system engineer for the Webb Telescope 442 00:20:32,031 --> 00:20:34,413 I don't really get to touch a lot of this hardware. 443 00:20:34,433 --> 00:20:36,949 So working on cars is pretty satisfying 444 00:20:36,969 --> 00:20:38,083 because it lets you actually 445 00:20:38,103 --> 00:20:39,223 put your hands on something. 446 00:20:41,374 --> 00:20:42,573 I'm not strong enough. 447 00:20:46,712 --> 00:20:48,828 Those races are 14 or 15 hours long. 448 00:20:48,848 --> 00:20:52,898 And usually we break down before we get to 14 or 15 hours. 449 00:20:52,918 --> 00:20:55,501 And the James Webb, it's a very different problem. 450 00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:58,571 You know, I mean, James Webb has to work first time. 451 00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:00,424 It is too far away from the Earth. 452 00:21:01,994 --> 00:21:03,843 Where we're putting the Webb Telescope 453 00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:07,647 is a place called L2 and if you think of 454 00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:12,703 here's the Earth, here's the sun, L2 is on the other side, 455 00:21:14,674 --> 00:21:17,723 a million miles away from the Earth. 456 00:21:17,743 --> 00:21:20,645 The full moon is between us and L2. 457 00:21:22,081 --> 00:21:23,714 That's where James Webb will be. 458 00:21:25,218 --> 00:21:27,118 It's four times the distance to the moon. 459 00:21:36,695 --> 00:21:38,611 Oh my God, look at that picture over there. 460 00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:40,613 Hand me a roll of color quick, will you? 461 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:41,614 Oh, man. 462 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:43,148 Quick. 463 00:21:43,168 --> 00:21:44,617 I'm looking for one. 464 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,018 That went from here. 465 00:21:46,038 --> 00:21:47,019 Hey, I've got it right here. 466 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,153 I got it right. 467 00:21:48,173 --> 00:21:49,154 Oh, I got a beautiful shot. 468 00:21:49,174 --> 00:21:50,756 You got it? 469 00:21:50,776 --> 00:21:52,291 50 years ago, they say, we went 470 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:53,559 looking for the moon and we found the Earth. 471 00:21:53,579 --> 00:21:55,160 Yeah, that's true. 472 00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:58,097 That picture of the Earth. 473 00:21:58,117 --> 00:21:59,565 That was really the beginning of 474 00:21:59,585 --> 00:22:01,819 the modern environmental movement right there. 475 00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:12,263 This is one of my favorite little lakes. 476 00:22:14,533 --> 00:22:18,169 There's an eagle circling around in front of us. 477 00:22:21,206 --> 00:22:24,590 In grad school I asked the question, 478 00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:26,659 "What does the Earth look like 479 00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:29,528 from very far away when you can't 480 00:22:29,548 --> 00:22:31,597 see the continents and the oceans? 481 00:22:31,617 --> 00:22:33,933 And can you actually tell that 482 00:22:33,953 --> 00:22:35,720 there is life on that planet?" 483 00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:41,006 So we looked at the moon not too many days after new moon 484 00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:42,608 when you can just first start to see 485 00:22:42,628 --> 00:22:45,611 that thinnest crescent right at sunset. 486 00:22:45,631 --> 00:22:49,082 You'll notice that the dark part of the moon 487 00:22:49,102 --> 00:22:52,685 is also visible because the Earth is shining 488 00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:55,754 on that part of the lunar surface. 489 00:22:55,774 --> 00:22:59,158 So if you take a telescope and you look at that light, 490 00:22:59,178 --> 00:23:01,560 it's Earth light, all jumbled up together. 491 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:06,031 It's the land, it's the ocean, it's the clouds, the air. 492 00:23:06,051 --> 00:23:08,501 And when you spread that light out and look at it 493 00:23:08,521 --> 00:23:11,837 you can plainly see the squiggly line, that 494 00:23:11,857 --> 00:23:16,776 this is a planet that has a definite clear oxygen line. 495 00:23:16,796 --> 00:23:20,313 And there's definitely carbon dioxide and there's methane. 496 00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:24,183 Those signals were all tangled up together 497 00:23:24,203 --> 00:23:27,853 in the colors of the Earth. 498 00:23:27,873 --> 00:23:29,388 And that was what we called 499 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:32,009 the spectrum of a habitable planet. 500 00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:39,131 When I first heard of the search for 501 00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:41,600 extraterrestrial intelligence, 502 00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:44,203 I thought that this was by far 503 00:23:44,223 --> 00:23:47,358 the most interesting thing to study in all of astronomy. 504 00:23:48,894 --> 00:23:50,743 Finding out that there are other civilizations 505 00:23:50,763 --> 00:23:54,079 in the observable universe would be pretty much 506 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:56,534 right there at the top of things you could find out. 507 00:23:58,037 --> 00:23:59,485 You're working with 508 00:23:59,505 --> 00:24:01,220 Jill Tarter and the SETI Institute? 509 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,357 Yeah, absolutely, Jill was the SETI pioneer. 510 00:24:04,377 --> 00:24:07,226 The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. 511 00:24:07,246 --> 00:24:10,563 I met her shortly after the movie "Contact" came out 512 00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:12,297 and I had never heard of Jill before. 513 00:24:12,317 --> 00:24:13,766 I didn't know there was a connection 514 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:15,634 between that movie and her. 515 00:24:15,654 --> 00:24:16,835 Yeah, the Jodie Foster 516 00:24:16,855 --> 00:24:18,637 character is modeled on her. 517 00:24:18,657 --> 00:24:21,826 Yeah, Jill is one of my longest mentors. 518 00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:31,984 When we started, SETI was considered pretty fringy. 519 00:24:32,004 --> 00:24:33,519 We didn't even know if there were 520 00:24:33,539 --> 00:24:35,005 any planets beyond our solar system. 521 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:40,259 And we spent a lot of time building up credibility. 522 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,396 Making a distinction between ourselves 523 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:45,330 and the folks who report seeing 524 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:48,118 little green men in spaceships and being abducted. 525 00:24:49,688 --> 00:24:51,804 I mean, people would be writing books about 526 00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:53,806 the SETI pioneers and it would be, 527 00:24:53,826 --> 00:24:56,141 "What's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this," 528 00:24:56,161 --> 00:24:57,342 sort of questions. 529 00:24:57,362 --> 00:24:59,296 It was really hard. 530 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:02,748 Do you think there is life out there? 531 00:25:02,768 --> 00:25:05,150 You know, Nathaniel, whatever I think 532 00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:08,621 about life beyond Earth doesn't matter a bit. 533 00:25:08,641 --> 00:25:11,891 For millennia, we asked the priests, the philosophers, 534 00:25:11,911 --> 00:25:15,227 whoever we thought was wise, what we should believe. 535 00:25:15,247 --> 00:25:17,362 Well, we can now change that verb 536 00:25:17,382 --> 00:25:19,898 into the verb "to explore." 537 00:25:19,918 --> 00:25:22,367 Anything else is religion and we're not doing religion here. 538 00:25:22,387 --> 00:25:23,521 We're doing science. 539 00:25:25,258 --> 00:25:27,239 What's going on with this one? 540 00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:29,842 The birds love to nest here 541 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:31,243 and they will chew on this 542 00:25:31,263 --> 00:25:33,163 and they will chew through it. 543 00:25:35,468 --> 00:25:38,517 These dishes pick up radio frequencies 544 00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:42,254 and we're listening for broadcast signals 545 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:44,708 from a distant civilization. 546 00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:48,594 We're looking for signals that are engineered. 547 00:25:48,614 --> 00:25:52,064 Things that mother nature can't do, but we can. 548 00:25:52,084 --> 00:25:53,651 And presumably they can. 549 00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:56,735 But we have looked a bit. 550 00:25:56,755 --> 00:25:59,472 And so far we haven't found anything. 551 00:25:59,492 --> 00:26:01,540 We just haven't looked far enough. 552 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,742 That volume of search space, 553 00:26:03,762 --> 00:26:07,346 set it equal to the volume of all the Earth's oceans. 554 00:26:07,366 --> 00:26:09,548 And then ask yourself how much of 555 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:12,217 the Earth's oceans have we searched? 556 00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:15,955 And the answer is one eight ounce glass. 557 00:26:15,975 --> 00:26:18,090 Now, if your question was not, 558 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:19,492 "Are there extra terrestrials," 559 00:26:19,512 --> 00:26:21,293 but "are there fish in the ocean?" 560 00:26:21,313 --> 00:26:23,295 And you did that experiment and you 561 00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:25,430 dipped your glass in and you looked at it and, 562 00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:27,432 "Well, no fish in there." 563 00:26:27,452 --> 00:26:28,901 I mean that experiment could have worked 564 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:30,569 but there aren't any fish in there. 565 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:33,305 I don't think that you're going to conclude 566 00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:35,374 there are no fish in the ocean. 567 00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:37,442 You're going to say, "I got to fish a whole lot more." 568 00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:39,111 And that's where we are. 569 00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:40,598 We have a lot more searching to do. 570 00:26:50,809 --> 00:26:53,544 Ultimately science is about observation. 571 00:26:54,547 --> 00:26:56,461 Because it's only observation 572 00:26:56,481 --> 00:26:58,349 which actually gives you the truth. 573 00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:02,334 As the ancients looked up at the sky, 574 00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:05,470 it was obvious that everything went around us. 575 00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:08,673 We were the center of that universe. 576 00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:11,629 And then Galileo lifted his telescope to the stars. 577 00:27:12,765 --> 00:27:13,765 He looks at the moon. 578 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,434 The moon was supposed to be this perfect orb. 579 00:27:19,238 --> 00:27:21,620 And he sees for the first time, the moon is not perfect. 580 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,207 It has mountains, it has craters. 581 00:27:26,445 --> 00:27:28,160 But the most important observation, 582 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:30,648 the one that was truly revolutionary, 583 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:37,655 he looked at Jupiter and he saw four pinpricks of light. 584 00:27:38,857 --> 00:27:41,240 And he assumed they were stars. 585 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:45,462 And then he realized they were moons going around Jupiter. 586 00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:50,182 Everything was supposed to be going around the Earth. 587 00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:52,603 And here was proof it wasn't. 588 00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:56,455 And he realizes that the ancients were wrong, 589 00:27:56,475 --> 00:28:01,111 the church was wrong, and we're going around the sun. 590 00:28:11,156 --> 00:28:15,225 Observation overthrew ancient wisdom. 591 00:28:21,634 --> 00:28:25,703 This was the very first time anybody took 592 00:28:27,172 --> 00:28:29,822 two lenses and lifted them to the sky. 593 00:28:29,842 --> 00:28:33,158 And it revealed a universe that nobody had ever seen before. 594 00:28:33,178 --> 00:28:34,827 Once he'd done this, and he wrote it down, 595 00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:37,029 you can see from his book here, he wrote down what he saw. 596 00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:38,897 Other people could build their own telescope. 597 00:28:38,917 --> 00:28:42,034 And suddenly these ideas could actually flood out. 598 00:28:42,054 --> 00:28:43,769 Galileo was locked away for 10 years 599 00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:48,240 because the church claimed that this wasn't true. 600 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:49,975 400 years ago, it started there. 601 00:28:49,995 --> 00:28:53,378 400 years later, we're actually taking a mirror 602 00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:57,182 which is 250 times, roughly, bigger than this, 603 00:28:57,202 --> 00:28:59,985 And we're going to fold it up and launch it into space 604 00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:01,987 to give it even more sensitivity 605 00:29:02,007 --> 00:29:05,808 to actually see to the edge of the known universe. 606 00:29:14,152 --> 00:29:16,068 Wow, traffic is crappy. 607 00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:17,469 I think everybody can agree 608 00:29:17,489 --> 00:29:19,672 we're wasting a lot of energy and effort here. 609 00:29:19,692 --> 00:29:24,009 There's a lot of people around and we're not being 610 00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:26,497 as responsible as we can with everything that we have. 611 00:29:28,033 --> 00:29:30,749 Actually, I grew up in Taiwan, in Taipei. 612 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,085 It has some of the worst pollution. 613 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,087 Oh, it was hard to see the stars. 614 00:29:35,107 --> 00:29:37,156 with all our problems on the Earth, 615 00:29:37,176 --> 00:29:39,291 should we really be spending so much money on a telescope? 616 00:29:39,311 --> 00:29:41,426 Our almost reason for being, you know, 617 00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:44,429 one of our reasons for being is so that we can do these 618 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,498 good and interesting things that 619 00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:49,301 move us forward as a species. 620 00:29:49,321 --> 00:29:52,304 I think everybody wants to do something, 621 00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:56,041 be a part of something greater than just 622 00:29:56,061 --> 00:29:57,361 what they can do alone. 623 00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:01,513 Building something like the Webb Telescope is that. 624 00:30:01,533 --> 00:30:03,782 So you know, I mean I don't know 625 00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:06,170 what else would you want to do with your life? 626 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,595 Hey Jon. 627 00:30:16,615 --> 00:30:18,263 - Kevin! - Good to see you again. 628 00:30:18,283 --> 00:30:19,932 Hi, Amy Lo. 629 00:30:19,952 --> 00:30:21,066 Amy, nice to meet you. 630 00:30:21,086 --> 00:30:22,601 We've never met before. 631 00:30:22,621 --> 00:30:24,469 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ignore you. 632 00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:26,004 Jon and I have known each other for a long time. 633 00:30:26,024 --> 00:30:27,606 Jon's got a big presence. 634 00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:29,074 So he grabbed my attention when I saw him. 635 00:30:29,094 --> 00:30:30,609 We've come a long way. 636 00:30:30,629 --> 00:30:31,610 And your timing's perfect. 637 00:30:31,630 --> 00:30:33,612 We're just about to run a test. 638 00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:36,200 This has got to work like all the other major elements. 639 00:30:39,304 --> 00:30:41,553 We have enough sensitivity with our telescope 640 00:30:41,573 --> 00:30:44,156 and our instruments to detect 641 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:47,778 a child's nightlight located on the moon. 642 00:30:50,248 --> 00:30:53,832 I know that if you were to certainly take your radiant heat, 643 00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:56,835 which for a human is about 80 to 100 Watts 644 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,637 and stick it on the moon, we would easily 645 00:30:58,657 --> 00:30:59,823 be able to detect that. 646 00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:05,577 When people think about the telescope, 647 00:31:05,597 --> 00:31:07,780 they think of the huge mirror, right? 648 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,115 That's the iconic part of the telescope 649 00:31:10,135 --> 00:31:12,184 but this is what the astronomers care about. 650 00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:14,037 This is where the data comes from. 651 00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:18,056 Our telescope is so sensitive that it could 652 00:31:18,076 --> 00:31:20,125 pick up the heat of a bumblebee 653 00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:23,061 if the bumblebee were as far away as the moon. 654 00:31:23,081 --> 00:31:25,130 That is completely astonishing to me, 655 00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:26,531 even knowing that that's our telescope 656 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,667 and we built it that way. 657 00:31:28,687 --> 00:31:30,402 Yes, I've heard that. 658 00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:31,822 In fact, I was asked about it. 659 00:31:33,692 --> 00:31:36,675 I'd have to sit down and do the math very, very carefully. 660 00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:40,679 I've learned one does not argue with Nobel Prize winners. 661 00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:42,414 I heard about this calculation. 662 00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:43,415 I checked it myself. 663 00:31:43,435 --> 00:31:44,617 I believe it's correct. 664 00:31:44,637 --> 00:31:46,551 Yeah. 665 00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:50,440 If we had the moon here and the Earth 250,000 miles... 666 00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:53,758 What you'd do first is calculate the area of the sphere. 667 00:31:53,778 --> 00:31:55,245 Frequency times Planck's constant. 668 00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:04,569 A bumblebee gives off how much energy? 669 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:09,426 Well, it gives off about 50 milliwatts of power. 670 00:32:13,265 --> 00:32:15,180 It does seem reasonable that we could 671 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,317 see a bumblebee on the moon with our telescope. 672 00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,519 That's a bumblebee as opposed to a yellow jacket 673 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:23,522 as opposed to a hornet but we could collect the light. 674 00:32:23,542 --> 00:32:26,944 Should know better than to argue with our chief scientist. 675 00:32:35,688 --> 00:32:39,204 These are all worker bees, which are female. 676 00:32:39,224 --> 00:32:42,541 There will typically be some drones in here too, 677 00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:44,276 bigger males. 678 00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:47,212 They aren't essential to the survival of the hives. 679 00:32:47,232 --> 00:32:48,747 Hm, the males are not essential? 680 00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:51,083 No, in the fall 681 00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:52,951 all the drones are going to get kicked out. 682 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,554 They're going to be begging to stay 683 00:32:55,574 --> 00:32:57,155 and the workers are gonna be like, 684 00:32:57,175 --> 00:33:00,692 "Sorry, we do not have resources to feed you all winter." 685 00:33:00,712 --> 00:33:01,826 They're going to kick them out 686 00:33:01,846 --> 00:33:03,762 and they will go freeze and die. 687 00:33:03,782 --> 00:33:07,900 And these girls will stay together all winter long 688 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,721 beating their wings and making enough heat. 689 00:33:12,457 --> 00:33:17,042 I'm living in Wisconsin because I really wanted to be 690 00:33:17,062 --> 00:33:20,913 closer to the natural world in my daily life 691 00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:25,435 in a way that an office couldn't do for me personally. 692 00:33:27,405 --> 00:33:28,921 It reminds me of the shape of the mirrors 693 00:33:28,941 --> 00:33:30,388 on the James Webb Space Telescope. 694 00:33:30,408 --> 00:33:31,856 It does, yeah. 695 00:33:31,876 --> 00:33:33,592 The hexagons are just a really efficient way 696 00:33:33,612 --> 00:33:35,728 of packing together a bunch of cells in one place. 697 00:33:35,748 --> 00:33:39,798 So that is a shape you will find in nature. 698 00:33:39,818 --> 00:33:41,985 And in mechanical engineering. 699 00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:44,937 I already know which of these hives 700 00:33:44,957 --> 00:33:46,739 isn't going to make it through the winter. 701 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:48,540 It's hard on them. 702 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,008 There is colony collapse because of 703 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:52,611 chemicals that's going on fields. 704 00:33:52,631 --> 00:33:54,279 There's a farm field right there 705 00:33:54,299 --> 00:33:56,481 that's obviously not being sprayed. 706 00:33:56,501 --> 00:33:59,151 The bees probably love that 707 00:33:59,171 --> 00:34:01,471 and they need diversity of resources. 708 00:34:03,175 --> 00:34:06,758 It's fascinating to see how that social structure operates. 709 00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:09,494 And one does kind of wonder, 710 00:34:09,514 --> 00:34:12,765 is there another civilization of that type 711 00:34:12,785 --> 00:34:16,887 out there that is more collectively minded than we are? 712 00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:21,373 If there are other civilizations that could be 713 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:24,042 really useful information because we're 714 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,978 at this point where we don't know 715 00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:28,632 if we can survive the emergence of technology. 716 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,923 If you think it would happen, 717 00:34:38,943 --> 00:34:40,258 when would it happen? 718 00:34:40,278 --> 00:34:42,727 Within a period of 10 years, 20, 50 years? 719 00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:45,664 Depends on how much of an effort we make. 720 00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:47,599 If we make no effort the possibility of 721 00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:50,087 detecting such signals is small. 722 00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:55,740 We are one step closer to answering the age old question, 723 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,409 "Are we alone in the universe?" 724 00:34:57,429 --> 00:35:00,145 NASA announced the discovery of seven Earth-sized planets 725 00:35:00,165 --> 00:35:03,281 around a star about 40 light years away from Earth. 726 00:35:03,301 --> 00:35:06,084 This is the latest revelation in a wave of discoveries 727 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,220 over the past 25 years of new worlds 728 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,289 that exist in solar systems beyond our own. 729 00:35:11,309 --> 00:35:15,027 Astronomers call the discovery the Trappist-1 system. 730 00:35:15,047 --> 00:35:18,363 Sarah Seager of MIT is one of the researchers. 731 00:35:18,383 --> 00:35:20,632 We've made a giant accelerated leap forward 732 00:35:20,652 --> 00:35:22,634 in the search for habitable worlds. 733 00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:24,836 These planets are among the best 734 00:35:24,856 --> 00:35:26,705 of all the planets we know to follow up 735 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:29,574 with the James Webb Space Telescope. 736 00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:33,845 The discovery gives us a hint that finding a second Earth 737 00:35:33,865 --> 00:35:36,766 is not just a matter of if, but when. 738 00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:43,856 Wow, Trappist-1 is all over the news. 739 00:35:43,876 --> 00:35:45,390 I mean, look at it. 740 00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:46,258 Nothing else comes close. 741 00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:47,859 Yeah. 742 00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:48,927 And look at the TESS predictions. 743 00:35:48,947 --> 00:35:50,729 I mean, even the simulated sample 744 00:35:50,749 --> 00:35:52,664 from TESS doesn't reach down there. 745 00:35:52,684 --> 00:35:54,999 I mean, Trappist, I think unless we get 746 00:35:55,019 --> 00:35:58,937 extraordinarily lucky, Trappist is going to remain this 747 00:35:58,957 --> 00:36:02,741 singular system, completely unique. 748 00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:04,609 Trappist is just so cool. 749 00:36:04,629 --> 00:36:06,678 Especially if some of those planets 750 00:36:06,698 --> 00:36:08,613 could have water features. 751 00:36:08,633 --> 00:36:09,948 All right, we'll pick this up later. 752 00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:10,815 Okay. 753 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,684 You can leave that. 754 00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:14,686 It's nice that my daughter is actually involved with this. 755 00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:16,873 So I do feel like I'm passing something on. 756 00:36:19,912 --> 00:36:22,494 I am designing the observing program 757 00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:25,297 that we're going to use with the James Webb Space Telescope 758 00:36:25,317 --> 00:36:27,699 to observe Trappist-1E. 759 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,833 And 1E is what? 760 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:30,302 That's one of the planets? 761 00:36:30,322 --> 00:36:33,037 Yes, the Trappist star is much redder 762 00:36:33,057 --> 00:36:36,126 and only about half the temperature of our own sun. 763 00:36:37,596 --> 00:36:41,045 B and C are probably far too hot 764 00:36:41,065 --> 00:36:45,249 to be able to sustain surface liquid water. 765 00:36:45,269 --> 00:36:46,985 The habitable zone, 766 00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:48,787 which is also sometimes called the Goldilocks zone, 767 00:36:48,807 --> 00:36:51,189 is right about here. 768 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:55,994 And E really sits right in this region 769 00:36:56,014 --> 00:36:59,998 where surface liquid water could potentially exist, 770 00:37:00,018 --> 00:37:02,467 which is what we think we need for life. 771 00:37:02,487 --> 00:37:05,355 And I can actually show you this on a travel poster. 772 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:11,009 And so here you can actually see what you would be seeing 773 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:13,545 if you were sitting on the surface of Trappist-1E. 774 00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:15,747 How do you mean a travel poster? 775 00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:16,548 What does it come from? 776 00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:18,550 What is this? 777 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,686 So this is an artist's rendering of Trappist-1E. 778 00:37:21,706 --> 00:37:24,556 It says, "Voted best hab zone vacation 779 00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:27,359 within 12 parsecs of Earth." 780 00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:29,694 And below it, does it describe it at all? 781 00:37:29,714 --> 00:37:31,830 It says, "Some 40 light years from Earth 782 00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:35,967 a planet called Trappist-1E offers heart-stopping view. 783 00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:38,503 Brilliant objects in a red sky looming like 784 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:42,106 larger and smaller versions of our own moon." 785 00:37:42,126 --> 00:37:43,641 You're part of a team, 786 00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:44,709 right, that's doing this? 787 00:37:44,729 --> 00:37:45,777 Right, right, right. 788 00:37:45,797 --> 00:37:47,512 So when James Webb is launching 789 00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:50,782 we will be able to measure the atmosphere composition 790 00:37:50,802 --> 00:37:52,050 of some of these planets. 791 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:53,385 So tell me, 792 00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:54,919 how did you come to study exoplanets, then? 793 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:56,454 When I was really little, 794 00:37:56,474 --> 00:37:58,723 probably eight or nine, my mom had 795 00:37:58,743 --> 00:38:03,328 me and all my siblings draw pictures of astronauts. 796 00:38:03,348 --> 00:38:05,463 And I was so proud to show her and she looks at it 797 00:38:05,483 --> 00:38:07,665 and she goes, "Oh yeah, you know, that's awesome. 798 00:38:07,685 --> 00:38:09,586 Why did you draw a white man?" 799 00:38:11,223 --> 00:38:12,804 You know, my mom is a female scientist. 800 00:38:12,824 --> 00:38:14,072 My dad is a Latin scientist 801 00:38:14,092 --> 00:38:16,875 and I had drawn this white man. 802 00:38:16,895 --> 00:38:21,079 And I was so shocked and I think moving forward 803 00:38:21,099 --> 00:38:23,481 I was always conscious about that. 804 00:38:23,501 --> 00:38:26,403 And instead of being some, you know, 805 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:29,354 being something that kind of discouraged me, 806 00:38:29,374 --> 00:38:31,141 I think that that kind of empowered me. 807 00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:36,294 We all have the same desires and wants and 808 00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:38,630 and generally science and NASA missions 809 00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:40,899 brings those things to the table. 810 00:38:40,919 --> 00:38:43,902 Unfortunately, in the space science community 811 00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:46,504 it hasn't been as diverse as it should be. 812 00:38:46,524 --> 00:38:49,693 And one of the things with exoplanets, it's newer. 813 00:38:51,529 --> 00:38:55,647 Generally the newer sciences attract more diverse teams. 814 00:38:55,667 --> 00:38:58,116 So yes, that really excites me and 815 00:38:58,136 --> 00:39:00,184 we're scientists and engineers, right? 816 00:39:00,204 --> 00:39:03,255 So certainly we follow the data. 817 00:39:03,275 --> 00:39:06,190 All of the data supports that, that teams are 818 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:10,328 far more successful and better when they're more diverse. 819 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:12,797 So I always say, "Now's the time." 820 00:39:12,817 --> 00:39:14,050 And I think now's the time. 821 00:39:18,089 --> 00:39:19,070 Nothing? 822 00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:20,138 Okay, let's get started. 823 00:39:20,158 --> 00:39:21,324 Any questions guys? 824 00:39:23,828 --> 00:39:24,828 Only four more to go. 825 00:39:26,498 --> 00:39:28,813 We don't want the telescope portion 826 00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:31,616 of the Webb Telescope to see any of the sun 827 00:39:31,636 --> 00:39:33,937 because we're trying to keep it very, very cold. 828 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,556 In order to detect heat signature, infrared signature, 829 00:39:38,576 --> 00:39:40,158 it obviously needs to be very cold 830 00:39:40,178 --> 00:39:42,961 or all it's going to measure is just itself. 831 00:39:42,981 --> 00:39:46,549 Minus J mid, MTS full deployment, layer one. 832 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,168 In space, really the only thing that will heat you up 833 00:39:50,188 --> 00:39:52,170 is the electronics that you've got 834 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:54,372 and a really bright source, which is the sun. 835 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:55,907 And that's the purpose of the sunshield. 836 00:39:55,927 --> 00:39:57,642 The sunshield keeps the telescope 837 00:39:57,662 --> 00:39:59,243 from getting all that sunlight. 838 00:39:59,263 --> 00:40:00,497 So it stays cold. 839 00:40:02,334 --> 00:40:05,249 Nice and slow, guys, nice and slow. 840 00:40:05,269 --> 00:40:07,652 What's particularly challenging is the fact that 841 00:40:07,672 --> 00:40:12,041 we have to fold it up and deploy it once we get on orbit. 842 00:40:18,149 --> 00:40:19,263 Oh, stop. 843 00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:19,931 Hold that. 844 00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:20,951 What happened? 845 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,202 We just lost the cable. 846 00:40:24,222 --> 00:40:25,870 If you could talk to Jon about that? 847 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:27,271 Yeah, you know, I'm gonna go get him 848 00:40:27,291 --> 00:40:28,140 while we're doing layer four. 849 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,808 Okay. 850 00:40:29,828 --> 00:40:31,943 We'll come back and do layer five. 851 00:40:31,963 --> 00:40:32,944 Brian, are you ready? 852 00:40:32,964 --> 00:40:33,945 Ready. 853 00:40:33,965 --> 00:40:35,079 You ready? 854 00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:36,748 Yeah. 855 00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:38,750 Going up. 856 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:41,553 Layer one's running about 212 degrees Fahrenheit 857 00:40:41,573 --> 00:40:43,955 and layer five on the cold side is running 858 00:40:43,975 --> 00:40:45,757 about minus 400 degrees Fahrenheit. 859 00:40:45,777 --> 00:40:47,610 So it's approximately a million SPF. 860 00:40:52,316 --> 00:40:53,698 I'll tell you what, 861 00:40:53,718 --> 00:40:55,367 you go and you kind of pooch that up, 862 00:40:55,387 --> 00:40:56,901 you're not going to come anywhere close. 863 00:40:56,921 --> 00:40:58,370 I can take a look at it. 864 00:40:58,390 --> 00:41:00,238 That's what I need somebody 865 00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:02,625 to explain to me, how that's going to be okay on flight. 866 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,769 I've always set my sights on big goals. 867 00:41:14,206 --> 00:41:16,172 I'm a very competitive person by nature. 868 00:41:17,141 --> 00:41:18,790 I don't like to lose. 869 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:22,194 I like to prove myself equal to any challenge. 870 00:41:22,214 --> 00:41:23,461 America's first attempt 871 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:24,862 to launch a satellite. 872 00:41:24,882 --> 00:41:26,130 When I was a little boy. 873 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,051 My father told stories. 874 00:41:29,287 --> 00:41:31,603 He worked on Vanguard 875 00:41:31,623 --> 00:41:33,805 and it blew up on national television. 876 00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:36,326 Just blew up, twice. 877 00:41:40,031 --> 00:41:41,879 Give me one more, there you go. 878 00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:43,032 Done, done, done, done, done 879 00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:47,351 By the time I'm done 880 00:41:47,371 --> 00:41:49,221 I will have been on the program 12 and a half years 881 00:41:49,241 --> 00:41:52,957 and it will all come down to that very short period of time 882 00:41:52,977 --> 00:41:57,013 between launch and when we complete deployment about here. 883 00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:03,034 It's not unlike training for a meet. 884 00:42:03,054 --> 00:42:04,302 I would train for months. 885 00:42:04,322 --> 00:42:06,170 Yeah, nice. 886 00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:08,224 For what literally was a few seconds of activity. 887 00:42:12,264 --> 00:42:15,179 We're all very well aware that we have to 888 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,783 get this right the first time, the only time, 889 00:42:18,803 --> 00:42:22,386 because out at L2, repairman doesn't make a house call. 890 00:42:22,406 --> 00:42:24,656 We don't get that second chance. 891 00:42:24,676 --> 00:42:27,176 It's a "one strike and you're out" business. 892 00:42:36,821 --> 00:42:39,137 Sometimes I put music on, like 80s music typically, 893 00:42:39,157 --> 00:42:41,925 and just let my mind wander to like what's out there. 894 00:42:44,963 --> 00:42:46,744 That's your favorite music? 895 00:42:46,764 --> 00:42:48,280 I just kind of like the 80s, what about you? 896 00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,348 Oh yeah, well that's my era too. 897 00:42:50,368 --> 00:42:52,150 The 80s is big now, you know? 898 00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:54,352 Even my kids know all the 80s songs, lots of kids do. 899 00:42:54,372 --> 00:42:56,020 Really? 900 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,288 Apparently, yeah, apparently the 80s, 901 00:42:57,308 --> 00:42:58,741 the beat is still very popular. 902 00:43:01,313 --> 00:43:03,094 Interesting, right? 903 00:43:03,114 --> 00:43:05,782 Yeah, that's interesting. 904 00:43:08,386 --> 00:43:11,836 Where does the drive come from? 905 00:43:11,856 --> 00:43:13,972 I mean, the drive is really the end goal, 906 00:43:13,992 --> 00:43:16,307 which is finding another Earth, a true Earth. 907 00:43:16,327 --> 00:43:19,310 But, that's the drive, right, 908 00:43:19,330 --> 00:43:20,897 but the joy is in the every day. 909 00:43:24,268 --> 00:43:26,851 And if we could find another Earth 910 00:43:26,871 --> 00:43:28,805 what do you think that would mean for us? 911 00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:31,274 It's a tough one. 912 00:43:32,476 --> 00:43:33,858 What do I think it'd mean? 913 00:43:33,878 --> 00:43:35,393 Well, I don't know, I feel like I have to ask 914 00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:36,327 you and everyone else what it would mean. 915 00:43:36,347 --> 00:43:37,995 Yeah. 916 00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:39,864 It would mean that we're not alone. 917 00:43:39,884 --> 00:43:43,601 It would mean that we're not the center of the universe 918 00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:45,755 and it would really expand our horizons 919 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,607 as to what's out there and who might be out there 920 00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:51,127 as well as who we are. 921 00:43:52,363 --> 00:43:54,546 Who we are, yeah. 922 00:43:54,566 --> 00:43:56,814 The time is now 7:35pm 923 00:43:56,834 --> 00:43:59,617 and the reservation is now closed. 924 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:01,285 Please kindly gather your belongings 925 00:44:01,305 --> 00:44:04,622 and return to your vehicles at the main exit gate. 926 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,624 Again, thank you for visiting Walden Pond 927 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:07,844 and have a great evening. 928 00:44:09,447 --> 00:44:11,162 What's that? 929 00:44:11,182 --> 00:44:12,496 So this axis here has to 930 00:44:12,516 --> 00:44:14,498 point to Polaris, basically and... 931 00:44:14,518 --> 00:44:15,433 Polaris is the North Star? 932 00:44:15,453 --> 00:44:17,168 Yeah, North Star. 933 00:44:17,188 --> 00:44:19,237 Now the cameras. 934 00:44:19,257 --> 00:44:21,039 So this is a one-shot color. 935 00:44:21,059 --> 00:44:22,306 What do you think about, 936 00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:24,108 you know, finding another Earth? 937 00:44:24,128 --> 00:44:26,778 Yeah, I understand the drive, 938 00:44:26,798 --> 00:44:31,049 I understand the curiosity and the journey of discovery 939 00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:32,784 and the importance of discovery. 940 00:44:32,804 --> 00:44:35,453 And that will change things if we do find 941 00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:37,521 another world that has biosignatures 942 00:44:37,541 --> 00:44:39,523 or evidence of life on it. 943 00:44:39,543 --> 00:44:41,926 But we have life here. 944 00:44:41,946 --> 00:44:44,528 And we have love here and everything that matters to us, 945 00:44:44,548 --> 00:44:46,063 really, and is important to us, 946 00:44:46,083 --> 00:44:47,250 is right here on this earth. 947 00:44:51,155 --> 00:44:54,824 And, you know, that's what's important, you know, to me. 948 00:44:57,161 --> 00:44:58,542 You actually found 949 00:44:58,562 --> 00:45:00,211 the love of your life through astronomy. 950 00:45:00,231 --> 00:45:01,813 At an astronomy meeting. 951 00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:06,550 Our eyes met at the wine and cheese reception before 952 00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:09,353 her talk and I was just wondering who this person was. 953 00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:11,289 And I didn't know she was the keynote speaker. 954 00:45:11,309 --> 00:45:13,825 And then the next day she gave another talk 955 00:45:13,845 --> 00:45:16,360 just before lunch and after that, I decided, 956 00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:18,029 which was probably the most important decision 957 00:45:18,049 --> 00:45:19,697 I made in my life was to be healthy. 958 00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:21,699 And I decided to get a soup and a salad. 959 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,702 And I walked into the line, 960 00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:26,570 there was a bit of a line and she turned around 961 00:45:26,590 --> 00:45:29,040 and I asked her, "Would you like to join me for lunch?" 962 00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:33,444 And she said yes and we got a table 963 00:45:33,464 --> 00:45:36,247 off to the side by ourselves and, you know, 964 00:45:36,267 --> 00:45:37,581 five minutes into that conversation 965 00:45:37,601 --> 00:45:40,251 I knew my life was going to change. 966 00:45:40,271 --> 00:45:42,538 I knew something was going to happen. 967 00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:47,525 Don't let me interrupt you 968 00:45:47,545 --> 00:45:49,126 from continuing with the telescope. 969 00:45:49,146 --> 00:45:50,328 Okay, let's get back at this thing 970 00:45:50,348 --> 00:45:51,948 and we'll see what we can... 971 00:46:03,161 --> 00:46:05,943 I don't really know why anyone wants to know 972 00:46:05,963 --> 00:46:07,497 why there's life out there. 973 00:46:10,301 --> 00:46:12,468 I guess cause we're kind of a lonely species. 974 00:46:15,506 --> 00:46:18,207 I think loneliness is a human condition 975 00:46:19,977 --> 00:46:22,159 and everyone's sort of trapped in their own head. 976 00:46:22,179 --> 00:46:26,482 And we try with our lives in various ways to be not lonely. 977 00:46:28,386 --> 00:46:31,320 We find friends, partners, mates, family, you have children. 978 00:46:32,857 --> 00:46:35,173 We're trying to find life elsewhere 979 00:46:35,193 --> 00:46:38,710 because we have a need and a desire to communicate 980 00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:41,898 and then to connect in any way possible. 981 00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:46,450 Ready? 982 00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:48,185 Okay, Brain, ready. 983 00:46:48,205 --> 00:46:49,721 Okay, we'll try this again. 984 00:46:49,741 --> 00:46:53,976 Layer five on three, two, one. 985 00:46:58,616 --> 00:46:59,949 10 inches of travel. 986 00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:03,420 20 inches of travel. 987 00:47:06,624 --> 00:47:07,824 30 inches of travel. 988 00:47:11,295 --> 00:47:12,328 65 inches of travel. 989 00:47:14,632 --> 00:47:16,032 80 inches of travel. 990 00:47:18,636 --> 00:47:20,369 190 inches of travel. 991 00:47:21,573 --> 00:47:23,421 197. 992 00:47:23,441 --> 00:47:24,540 198. 993 00:47:25,709 --> 00:47:26,809 Fully deployed. 994 00:47:36,788 --> 00:47:39,837 This is hundreds of man years of work. 995 00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:41,505 I don't think it's possible to overstate 996 00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:43,659 how exciting this is. 997 00:47:45,463 --> 00:47:47,378 It's another step, just like completing the back plane 998 00:47:47,398 --> 00:47:48,497 and completing the mirrors. 999 00:47:50,534 --> 00:47:52,183 I'm going to have a hard time concentrating 1000 00:47:52,203 --> 00:47:54,170 when I take Mom to dinner tonight. 1001 00:47:57,274 --> 00:47:58,307 Yowza, wow. 1002 00:47:59,877 --> 00:48:01,392 Wow, it looks good. 1003 00:48:01,412 --> 00:48:03,394 It looks fantastic. 1004 00:48:03,414 --> 00:48:05,414 All right, imagine you are the Telescope 1005 00:48:09,153 --> 00:48:12,622 looking out on the universe, looking out on the stars. 1006 00:48:18,830 --> 00:48:22,413 It's going to be dark and cold out there where this is. 1007 00:48:22,433 --> 00:48:24,348 Imagine yourself frozen. 1008 00:48:24,368 --> 00:48:25,950 It has no company out there, 1009 00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:27,870 out there in orbit, it's all by itself. 1010 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,155 If we see life on another planet, 1011 00:48:31,175 --> 00:48:33,491 I mean, we have to motivate to go say hello. 1012 00:48:33,511 --> 00:48:34,692 That's it. 1013 00:48:34,712 --> 00:48:36,078 They're there, we're here. 1014 00:49:08,612 --> 00:49:09,745 Just animals. 1015 00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:16,133 Everything in this whole museum is basically animals. 1016 00:49:16,153 --> 00:49:18,536 Even the tiny ones, but this is just 1017 00:49:18,556 --> 00:49:20,289 a tiny fraction of biodiversity. 1018 00:49:23,227 --> 00:49:25,761 This kind of complexity doesn't happen easily. 1019 00:49:27,631 --> 00:49:28,612 How did it happen? 1020 00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:30,548 Did it happen here? 1021 00:49:30,568 --> 00:49:32,684 Some people think life started on the land. 1022 00:49:32,704 --> 00:49:35,219 I think it started down at the bottom of the ocean 1023 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,289 in hydrothermal vents down across the sea floor. 1024 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:40,024 The one that most people know about 1025 00:49:40,044 --> 00:49:42,560 is a really dynamic system called black smokers. 1026 00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:44,628 They were amazing because nobody 1027 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:47,298 expected to see so much life down there. 1028 00:49:47,318 --> 00:49:49,166 Weird forms of life. 1029 00:49:49,186 --> 00:49:50,902 Giant tube worms that don't have a mouth or an anus 1030 00:49:50,922 --> 00:49:53,104 and enormous clams the size of dinner plates and... 1031 00:49:53,124 --> 00:49:55,506 A worm that has neither mouth nor anus? 1032 00:49:55,526 --> 00:49:56,707 Yeah. 1033 00:49:56,727 --> 00:49:57,841 How does it eat? 1034 00:49:57,861 --> 00:49:59,377 It doesn't eat. 1035 00:49:59,397 --> 00:50:01,645 I mean, it basically uses the bacteria 1036 00:50:01,665 --> 00:50:05,849 that grow inside it to provide it with organic molecules. 1037 00:50:05,869 --> 00:50:07,585 Well, there's another kind of vent, 1038 00:50:07,605 --> 00:50:09,520 which I personally think is the answer. 1039 00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:12,256 I like to think of them as Gothic cathedrals. 1040 00:50:12,276 --> 00:50:14,792 Beautiful architecture in the rock. 1041 00:50:14,812 --> 00:50:18,462 They're actually formed by a much more gentle process. 1042 00:50:18,482 --> 00:50:20,664 Water will percolate down beneath the ocean floor 1043 00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:23,601 and there's a particular type of mineral. 1044 00:50:23,621 --> 00:50:25,469 It's called olivine. 1045 00:50:25,489 --> 00:50:27,538 You find it as dust throughout interstellar space. 1046 00:50:27,558 --> 00:50:29,340 This is a really common mineral. 1047 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,408 And the thing is it will react with water 1048 00:50:31,428 --> 00:50:33,611 bubbling hydrogen gas out. 1049 00:50:33,631 --> 00:50:35,279 And that's basically an environment 1050 00:50:35,299 --> 00:50:36,665 that's giving rise to life. 1051 00:50:37,969 --> 00:50:39,350 Do you think that 1052 00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:41,352 there's life out there beyond the Earth? 1053 00:50:41,372 --> 00:50:43,955 I think we hope that there's going to be 1054 00:50:43,975 --> 00:50:47,158 lots of amazing complex life out there, 1055 00:50:47,178 --> 00:50:50,894 kind of semi human in the way that it interacts with us. 1056 00:50:50,914 --> 00:50:51,762 And I think we're likely to be 1057 00:50:51,782 --> 00:50:53,697 quite disappointed about that. 1058 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:55,566 You know, maybe we should be interacting with 1059 00:50:55,586 --> 00:50:57,466 life on our own planet in a more meaningful way. 1060 00:51:04,461 --> 00:51:05,776 How far can you push a planet 1061 00:51:05,796 --> 00:51:07,311 in one direction or the other and 1062 00:51:07,331 --> 00:51:09,265 still have it capable of sustaining life? 1063 00:51:11,335 --> 00:51:13,184 During graduate school I would walk from 1064 00:51:13,204 --> 00:51:16,587 the astronomy department down to family-student housing. 1065 00:51:16,607 --> 00:51:18,990 We were studying comparative planetology 1066 00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:21,993 and my head was full of these images of 1067 00:51:22,013 --> 00:51:26,597 Mercury, Mars, Venus, even the moon, 1068 00:51:26,617 --> 00:51:28,265 all of these lifeless worlds. 1069 00:51:28,285 --> 00:51:31,468 And so walking from the department, you come up a knoll 1070 00:51:31,488 --> 00:51:34,071 and you all of a sudden emerge from the redwood forests 1071 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,875 open up onto this big meadow, but you're up high. 1072 00:51:37,895 --> 00:51:40,678 So you see it as this very thin veneer 1073 00:51:40,698 --> 00:51:42,598 of life stretched out before you. 1074 00:51:44,501 --> 00:51:46,417 It looked like I could just reach out and wipe it away 1075 00:51:46,437 --> 00:51:49,887 with a sponge, you know, like cleaning the kitchen counter. 1076 00:51:49,907 --> 00:51:52,289 And I just had that feeling that 1077 00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:54,892 the difference between a living world 1078 00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:59,230 and a lifeless world was a small, 1079 00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,917 tiny difference, like an accident, you know. 1080 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,848 It's been a rough spring start but we had 1081 00:52:17,868 --> 00:52:19,116 a lot of heavy snow in February. 1082 00:52:19,136 --> 00:52:20,451 I mean a lot. 1083 00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:21,852 It was like every other day. 1084 00:52:21,872 --> 00:52:23,454 It would snow about 10 to 12 inches. 1085 00:52:23,474 --> 00:52:24,722 And the disasters are getting worse 1086 00:52:24,742 --> 00:52:26,123 and they're getting stronger. 1087 00:52:26,143 --> 00:52:27,591 There's so many people who don't... 1088 00:52:27,611 --> 00:52:29,126 they're like, "This is how it is." 1089 00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:30,394 You mean climate change deniers? 1090 00:52:30,414 --> 00:52:31,995 Well, like there's more fires. 1091 00:52:32,015 --> 00:52:33,464 There's more earthquakes. 1092 00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:34,598 They're happening more frequently. 1093 00:52:34,618 --> 00:52:36,333 There's more tornadoes. 1094 00:52:36,353 --> 00:52:37,801 It's like, a couple blocks away 1095 00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:40,271 there's big trees that are down, roots up. 1096 00:52:40,291 --> 00:52:42,273 And there's another cell coming 1097 00:52:42,293 --> 00:52:44,141 that looks just as bad as last night's. 1098 00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,543 It's bad. 1099 00:52:45,563 --> 00:52:47,010 And there it is. 1100 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:47,945 Yeah, there's another storm coming, yeah. 1101 00:52:47,965 --> 00:52:49,613 Yeah, another one. 1102 00:52:49,633 --> 00:52:51,367 We're battening up the hatches. 1103 00:52:53,036 --> 00:52:56,153 Hi, I'm just leaving the farmer's market. 1104 00:52:56,173 --> 00:52:58,355 Could you look at the radar 1105 00:52:58,375 --> 00:53:01,024 and plan what to do with the bees? 1106 00:53:01,044 --> 00:53:04,495 We're on the blue dot and it's moving in our direction. 1107 00:53:04,515 --> 00:53:06,430 It looks pretty bad. 1108 00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:07,564 The latest climate data 1109 00:53:07,584 --> 00:53:09,366 that broke last week proved that 1110 00:53:09,386 --> 00:53:12,021 the whole environmental movement is a power grab. 1111 00:53:13,056 --> 00:53:15,439 The global warmists are a cult. 1112 00:53:15,459 --> 00:53:17,975 - Thanks for being open. - Yeah. 1113 00:53:17,995 --> 00:53:20,511 Amidst the storms here. 1114 00:53:20,531 --> 00:53:21,912 So this is beautiful. 1115 00:53:21,932 --> 00:53:23,647 We can put it together for you. 1116 00:53:23,667 --> 00:53:25,048 It's been a while since I've 1117 00:53:25,068 --> 00:53:26,984 been shooting and I really miss it. 1118 00:53:27,004 --> 00:53:28,452 Yeah, you used to shoot a lot. 1119 00:53:28,472 --> 00:53:29,520 I need to do it again. 1120 00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:30,922 Before, didn't you? 1121 00:53:30,942 --> 00:53:32,790 Yeah, I've been writing proposals 1122 00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:34,792 to the federal government to fund my teams to fly 1123 00:53:34,812 --> 00:53:37,995 space missions and look for life on other planets and... 1124 00:53:38,015 --> 00:53:39,597 Yeah, have you found it yet? 1125 00:53:39,617 --> 00:53:44,267 No, but we're getting ever closer. 1126 00:53:44,287 --> 00:53:45,736 Do you believe there's life out there? 1127 00:53:45,756 --> 00:53:47,404 I feel like, how can there not be? 1128 00:53:47,424 --> 00:53:49,140 This one planet is so full of it. 1129 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,077 It's hard to imagine how that could happen here, 1130 00:53:54,097 --> 00:53:56,747 so richly, and then everywhere else 1131 00:53:56,767 --> 00:53:59,416 in the whole universe is just a sterile rock. 1132 00:53:59,436 --> 00:54:03,754 Surely life arises when the conditions are right. 1133 00:54:03,774 --> 00:54:05,823 Hmm, it's interesting topic. 1134 00:54:05,843 --> 00:54:07,291 Yeah. 1135 00:54:07,311 --> 00:54:09,827 Yeah, I started listening to some podcasts. 1136 00:54:09,847 --> 00:54:11,162 I know he's very controversial, 1137 00:54:11,182 --> 00:54:13,096 but I was listening to one with Alex Jones 1138 00:54:13,116 --> 00:54:15,232 and some of the stuff he talks about 1139 00:54:15,252 --> 00:54:17,968 was like really, really interesting. 1140 00:54:17,988 --> 00:54:19,970 If there is other life forms, 1141 00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:22,173 not just humans or aliens or 1142 00:54:22,193 --> 00:54:24,375 it could be plants or anything, you know, 1143 00:54:24,395 --> 00:54:28,646 just something else out there besides our Earth. 1144 00:54:28,666 --> 00:54:31,649 San Francisco is the main project site. 1145 00:54:31,669 --> 00:54:34,852 Literally have an alien base and they are 1146 00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:36,987 literally communicating and they've got like 1147 00:54:37,007 --> 00:54:39,857 astronaut level people taking super hardcore 1148 00:54:39,877 --> 00:54:42,526 levels of drugs and going into meetings with these things 1149 00:54:42,546 --> 00:54:44,446 and making intergalactic deals. 1150 00:54:47,751 --> 00:54:50,067 You didn't actually think you were 1151 00:54:50,087 --> 00:54:51,669 the only inhabited planet in the universe? 1152 00:54:51,689 --> 00:54:53,122 Shh, listen. 1153 00:54:55,026 --> 00:54:57,208 Uh, I'm from SETI, 1154 00:54:57,228 --> 00:54:59,662 Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. 1155 00:55:07,038 --> 00:55:08,151 So if the aliens get here, 1156 00:55:08,171 --> 00:55:09,953 are they going to wipe us out? 1157 00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:12,890 Well, I think that if they can get here, 1158 00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:14,425 that means that their technology 1159 00:55:14,445 --> 00:55:16,159 is significantly in advance of ours. 1160 00:55:16,179 --> 00:55:18,495 So they're older than we are. 1161 00:55:18,515 --> 00:55:21,032 And how did they get to be old? 1162 00:55:21,052 --> 00:55:25,502 Because they outgrew all of the aggression 1163 00:55:25,522 --> 00:55:28,439 that was probably part of their evolution 1164 00:55:28,459 --> 00:55:30,241 to become intelligent. 1165 00:55:30,261 --> 00:55:34,311 We show many different indications that we won't make it. 1166 00:55:34,331 --> 00:55:37,715 That we will in fact do ourselves in before 1167 00:55:37,735 --> 00:55:41,052 we become an old technological civilization. 1168 00:55:41,072 --> 00:55:44,788 So if they can get here, I'm more inclined to 1169 00:55:44,808 --> 00:55:46,924 talk with them rather than worry about 1170 00:55:46,944 --> 00:55:48,177 them eating me for breakfast. 1171 00:55:50,147 --> 00:55:53,931 I was sent last night, a link to an old Johnny Carson show, 1172 00:55:53,951 --> 00:55:55,933 from the late 70s, with Carl Sagan. 1173 00:55:55,953 --> 00:55:57,468 I mean, here he is, a professor of 1174 00:55:57,488 --> 00:55:59,870 astronomy and space sciences at Cornell. 1175 00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:01,805 Director of the Laboratory for Planetary Study. 1176 00:56:01,825 --> 00:56:03,726 Would you welcome please Dr. Carl Sagan. 1177 00:56:05,763 --> 00:56:07,643 This is just about reaching the Trappist system. 1178 00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:10,681 You're looking for 1179 00:56:10,701 --> 00:56:12,149 extraterrestrial intelligence, right? 1180 00:56:12,169 --> 00:56:13,884 How do you go about looking? 1181 00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:15,753 It's little like this. If you're an 1182 00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:18,155 advanced civilization and you wish to communicate 1183 00:56:18,175 --> 00:56:22,626 to a backward civilization, you talk slow and simple. 1184 00:56:22,646 --> 00:56:24,962 And obviously we would be 1185 00:56:24,982 --> 00:56:26,096 the backward civilization because 1186 00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:27,983 we do not have that capability. 1187 00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:31,969 People are going to ask you, "What is the value?" 1188 00:56:31,989 --> 00:56:35,106 We are at a very dangerous moment in human history. 1189 00:56:35,126 --> 00:56:39,777 We are in the process of inadvertently altering our climate 1190 00:56:39,797 --> 00:56:43,314 and all kinds of problems, which come with technology. 1191 00:56:43,334 --> 00:56:45,649 We are not certain that we will be able to survive 1192 00:56:45,669 --> 00:56:48,652 this period that I like to call technological adolescence. 1193 00:56:48,672 --> 00:56:52,055 But were we to receive a message from somewhere else, 1194 00:56:52,075 --> 00:56:54,057 it would show that it's possible 1195 00:56:54,077 --> 00:56:55,659 to survive this kind of period. 1196 00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:57,260 Now wouldn't that be something. 1197 00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,996 In other words somebody has solved 1198 00:56:59,016 --> 00:57:00,998 a particular problem we are still wrestling with. 1199 00:57:01,018 --> 00:57:03,133 It's good to know the problem can be solved. 1200 00:57:03,153 --> 00:57:04,553 I think it would be very useful. 1201 00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:09,224 We going to find them in your lifetime? 1202 00:57:11,028 --> 00:57:13,276 I don't know how long I'm going to live. 1203 00:57:13,296 --> 00:57:15,212 I know we're going to try and look. 1204 00:57:15,232 --> 00:57:16,547 We keep trying. 1205 00:57:16,567 --> 00:57:17,567 We do keep trying trying. 1206 00:57:38,855 --> 00:57:41,505 The James Webb Telescope will achieve its mission, 1207 00:57:41,525 --> 00:57:43,306 but we have to go through all of the engineering 1208 00:57:43,326 --> 00:57:44,775 and all the checkouts to make sure 1209 00:57:44,795 --> 00:57:46,829 that that is indeed a fact. 1210 00:57:49,066 --> 00:57:51,248 Eventually we'll go all the way through the Panama Canal 1211 00:57:51,268 --> 00:57:54,317 to French Guiana where the Europeans have their launch site. 1212 00:57:54,337 --> 00:57:56,186 And they're providing the rocket and the Telescope 1213 00:57:56,206 --> 00:57:58,121 will go up from there a million miles 1214 00:57:58,141 --> 00:57:59,842 out into space and get ready to work. 1215 00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:06,797 This is where we're going to test the telescope 1216 00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:09,318 and its detectors in a space-like environment. 1217 00:58:11,088 --> 00:58:14,223 Chamber A was originally built for the Apollo program 1218 00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:18,861 to test the command module with the astronauts in it. 1219 00:58:20,431 --> 00:58:22,279 We're here building on the legacy that 1220 00:58:22,299 --> 00:58:24,014 the country built in the 60s. 1221 00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:25,949 Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Webb, 1222 00:58:25,969 --> 00:58:28,151 the director of the space program. 1223 00:58:28,171 --> 00:58:30,221 Ladies and gentlemen... 1224 00:58:30,241 --> 00:58:33,757 James Webb was the administrator early on in NASA's life, 1225 00:58:33,777 --> 00:58:36,026 during the early stages of the Apollo program, 1226 00:58:36,046 --> 00:58:38,295 working with Kennedy to establish that program 1227 00:58:38,315 --> 00:58:40,431 to get us up to landing on the moon. 1228 00:58:40,451 --> 00:58:43,051 It was that commitment to science that he had. 1229 00:58:46,790 --> 00:58:48,772 Now, we still have a bunch of 1230 00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:50,707 environmental testings that we have to do, 1231 00:58:50,727 --> 00:58:53,644 vibration testing and acoustics testing, 1232 00:58:53,664 --> 00:58:55,178 because what we want to do is make sure 1233 00:58:55,198 --> 00:58:56,913 now it survives the rocket launch, 1234 00:58:56,933 --> 00:58:59,133 which is still the most violent environment that we see. 1235 00:59:03,474 --> 00:59:05,188 We bring it in here, 1236 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:08,592 the sunshield in its stowed cocoon state. 1237 00:59:08,612 --> 00:59:12,681 We subject this to the sound noise of the rocket. 1238 00:59:14,351 --> 00:59:18,135 Because when the rocket launches it doesn't just vibrate, 1239 00:59:18,155 --> 00:59:19,922 it also hits you with sound waves. 1240 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,342 And it pushes on you with pressure. 1241 00:59:25,362 --> 00:59:27,945 And we need to prove that our vehicle will survive that. 1242 00:59:27,965 --> 00:59:30,347 So we hit this thing with what's called 1243 00:59:30,367 --> 00:59:33,150 protoflight acoustic test levels 1244 00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:36,237 and we run it across a frequency spectrum. 1245 00:59:48,318 --> 00:59:50,834 We found a screw and a nut. 1246 00:59:50,854 --> 00:59:54,638 We had a few dozen that actually separated in this test 1247 00:59:54,658 --> 00:59:57,159 because there's a thousand of these little screws. 1248 00:59:59,730 --> 01:00:01,444 You know, there's probably a lot of people on 1249 01:00:01,464 --> 01:00:03,180 high floors of buildings waiting to hear 1250 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,399 that Webb has made it today. 1251 01:00:05,936 --> 01:00:07,450 We're kind of in, say, one of the 1252 01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:08,919 more humbling points on a career, 1253 01:00:08,939 --> 01:00:11,321 when you know you have to go tell people 1254 01:00:11,341 --> 01:00:13,108 that test wasn't successful. 1255 01:00:22,886 --> 01:00:24,920 The Subcommittee on Space will now come to order. 1256 01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:28,539 Today's hearing we'll focus on the serious issues 1257 01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:32,075 associated with the James Webb Space Telescope. 1258 01:00:32,095 --> 01:00:36,079 When we integrated the spacecraft element and did testing, 1259 01:00:36,099 --> 01:00:38,549 we made all kinds of discoveries that were unfortunate 1260 01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:40,884 and not just unfortunate, problematic. 1261 01:00:40,904 --> 01:00:44,154 Although I've heard testimony how important it is. 1262 01:00:44,174 --> 01:00:45,689 I understand that. 1263 01:00:45,709 --> 01:00:49,026 It's very frustrating to me and other taxpayers 1264 01:00:49,046 --> 01:00:51,762 that this is so much of a cost overrun. 1265 01:00:51,782 --> 01:00:54,965 Every screw has to have its quality tested. 1266 01:00:54,985 --> 01:00:57,234 I can tell you, this is about the 1267 01:00:57,254 --> 01:00:59,502 biggest screw job I've ever seen. 1268 01:00:59,522 --> 01:01:02,706 And it's the taxpayers who are getting screwed here. 1269 01:01:02,726 --> 01:01:06,109 We want to make these mistakes here on Earth 1270 01:01:06,129 --> 01:01:08,645 because that mistake, if it was in space, 1271 01:01:08,665 --> 01:01:10,180 it would be too late. 1272 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,299 It can't be fixed. 1273 01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:28,398 Once we install it, it's there 1274 01:01:28,418 --> 01:01:29,851 for the rest of the mission. 1275 01:01:32,489 --> 01:01:34,471 So we've got to get it right the first time. 1276 01:01:34,491 --> 01:01:36,940 And then it gets ready to go? 1277 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,208 It's still got a lot more testing. 1278 01:01:38,228 --> 01:01:40,010 Oh. 1279 01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:42,012 And assembly to withstand launch. 1280 01:01:42,032 --> 01:01:45,482 Now all I have to do is live to see it go. 1281 01:01:45,502 --> 01:01:47,217 No, you got to make it till your 1282 01:01:47,237 --> 01:01:49,019 grandchildren get out of college. 1283 01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:51,288 And that will happen after we launch. 1284 01:01:51,308 --> 01:01:52,308 That's true. 1285 01:02:13,930 --> 01:02:15,712 What do you think about when you 1286 01:02:15,732 --> 01:02:18,048 contemplate our cousins and our ancestors? 1287 01:02:18,068 --> 01:02:19,434 Mortality. 1288 01:02:20,871 --> 01:02:22,437 Well, as a species? 1289 01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:28,176 Well, I mean it's more and more clear that 1290 01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:31,462 you know, looking at these skulls, 1291 01:02:31,482 --> 01:02:36,399 that there have been numerous human species 1292 01:02:36,419 --> 01:02:38,335 and they've all gone extinct apart from us, 1293 01:02:38,355 --> 01:02:42,539 usually because of us, usually after interbreeding with us. 1294 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:45,408 Do you feel some guilt when you look into those ice sockets? 1295 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:46,428 I do. 1296 01:02:47,698 --> 01:02:49,279 Why? 1297 01:02:49,299 --> 01:02:51,014 Because we know about this history. 1298 01:02:51,034 --> 01:02:53,416 There's some guilt in human history in the way 1299 01:02:53,436 --> 01:02:57,554 that we've dealt with other human species. 1300 01:02:57,574 --> 01:03:02,225 Our own history dealing, different racial history and so on. 1301 01:03:02,245 --> 01:03:04,027 We need to learn. 1302 01:03:04,047 --> 01:03:06,207 How do we bring the best side out in our own societies? 1303 01:03:09,452 --> 01:03:11,434 You know, we're within touching distance of 1304 01:03:11,454 --> 01:03:14,170 at least finding out. 1305 01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:17,908 And the idea that we might find life is an exciting one. 1306 01:03:17,928 --> 01:03:20,443 Though, what do we expect to see out there? 1307 01:03:20,463 --> 01:03:22,245 If it's not nothing, 1308 01:03:22,265 --> 01:03:24,447 the overwhelming likelihood is it's bacteria. 1309 01:03:24,467 --> 01:03:27,650 And if we see somehow that we've got way beyond bacteria 1310 01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:31,187 to large complex life, that means this. 1311 01:03:31,207 --> 01:03:33,323 It means microscopic life. 1312 01:03:33,343 --> 01:03:34,810 It means tiny animals. 1313 01:03:35,746 --> 01:03:37,528 It's a wealth of life. 1314 01:03:37,548 --> 01:03:39,596 And yet, somehow I think most people will be disappointed 1315 01:03:39,616 --> 01:03:43,133 if all they found was microscopic sludge. 1316 01:03:43,153 --> 01:03:44,667 Would you be disappointed? 1317 01:03:44,687 --> 01:03:48,605 No, I think I would be astonished to find that. 1318 01:03:48,625 --> 01:03:51,660 To find anything more than bacteria, I would be astonished. 1319 01:03:54,565 --> 01:03:57,614 Perhaps part of the point of looking out there for life 1320 01:03:57,634 --> 01:03:59,482 is to realize just how valuable 1321 01:03:59,502 --> 01:04:00,802 the life is that we have here. 1322 01:04:12,715 --> 01:04:16,032 Physically, evolution made us, biology made us 1323 01:04:16,052 --> 01:04:19,302 but the things of biology were created in stars. 1324 01:04:19,322 --> 01:04:22,705 The water, the carbon, the nitrogen, the oxygen. 1325 01:04:22,725 --> 01:04:24,559 All of that was created in stars. 1326 01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:28,578 People will say, "Well, if there are 1327 01:04:28,598 --> 01:04:30,781 10 to the 22 stars out there, 1328 01:04:30,801 --> 01:04:32,834 there must be more life than just us." 1329 01:04:34,737 --> 01:04:36,787 However, it turns out the number of coincidences 1330 01:04:36,807 --> 01:04:38,721 that have to occur for life to emerge 1331 01:04:38,741 --> 01:04:40,442 is also a very large number. 1332 01:04:42,078 --> 01:04:44,527 We have to have a star like our sun 1333 01:04:44,547 --> 01:04:47,130 that lives at least 10 billion years old. 1334 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:48,665 It has to be in exactly the right 1335 01:04:48,685 --> 01:04:50,600 part of the galaxy to start with. 1336 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:52,269 We might need to have a moon. 1337 01:04:52,289 --> 01:04:54,204 We might need to have geothermal, 1338 01:04:54,224 --> 01:04:56,473 cause we need a magnetic field to protect us. 1339 01:04:56,493 --> 01:04:59,142 And then evolution had to happen. 1340 01:04:59,162 --> 01:05:00,811 And then you keep on going and, well, 1341 01:05:00,831 --> 01:05:02,545 you know, the dinosaurs evolved and they were around for, 1342 01:05:02,565 --> 01:05:04,414 I don't know, 100, 200 million years. 1343 01:05:04,434 --> 01:05:06,082 Nothing happened. 1344 01:05:06,102 --> 01:05:07,617 They didn't evolve into anything. 1345 01:05:07,637 --> 01:05:09,152 They got bigger and bigger and bigger. 1346 01:05:09,172 --> 01:05:10,887 And then the meteor came and wiped them all out. 1347 01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:14,557 And then these small warm blooded animals evolved to us. 1348 01:05:14,577 --> 01:05:16,292 But that was an accident. 1349 01:05:16,312 --> 01:05:17,494 How many accidents need to happen 1350 01:05:17,514 --> 01:05:19,362 for intelligent life to form? 1351 01:05:19,382 --> 01:05:21,917 We just don't know because we only have us, the one example. 1352 01:05:23,786 --> 01:05:27,170 It might only be one part in 10 to the 22 that life emerged. 1353 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:28,456 So we could actually be alone. 1354 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,049 And you know, I had all these accomplishments 1355 01:05:39,069 --> 01:05:42,385 I became a professor and then I got married. 1356 01:05:42,405 --> 01:05:43,854 I had like the perfect husband, 1357 01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:45,988 perfect kids and the perfect house. 1358 01:05:46,008 --> 01:05:47,390 I had everything. 1359 01:05:47,410 --> 01:05:48,859 And I had such a great life. 1360 01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:50,745 And then my husband got sick and he died. 1361 01:05:53,283 --> 01:05:54,883 And so after that, what do you do? 1362 01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:57,800 What do you do next? 1363 01:05:57,820 --> 01:05:59,669 Like you can't return to your everyday existence 1364 01:05:59,689 --> 01:06:01,137 and just like cook dinner. 1365 01:06:01,157 --> 01:06:02,873 Which I never did and I still don't. 1366 01:06:02,893 --> 01:06:05,742 But it's just the sort of thing that you can relate to. 1367 01:06:05,762 --> 01:06:07,410 You know, I just can't explain it 1368 01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:08,811 but the everyday normal things you do, 1369 01:06:08,831 --> 01:06:10,332 they're just meaningless. 1370 01:06:13,436 --> 01:06:14,751 I went to my book club and the women were 1371 01:06:14,771 --> 01:06:16,619 complaining about their husbands. 1372 01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:17,754 Like, "Who's gonna pick up the kid?" 1373 01:06:17,774 --> 01:06:19,956 And I'm like, "Give me a break." 1374 01:06:19,976 --> 01:06:23,493 You know, I just couldn't live with normal people anymore. 1375 01:06:23,513 --> 01:06:25,495 I realized that whatever I was going to do next 1376 01:06:25,515 --> 01:06:26,629 would be impactful. 1377 01:06:26,649 --> 01:06:27,649 Why waste time? 1378 01:06:34,791 --> 01:06:36,907 Out of all my accomplishments in life, 1379 01:06:36,927 --> 01:06:38,575 helping my husband have a death, 1380 01:06:38,595 --> 01:06:40,729 like a perfect death, was probably my biggest one. 1381 01:06:43,333 --> 01:06:45,533 It was really sad when I, when he, 1382 01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:49,051 it's sort of funny but sad, but I told him 1383 01:06:49,071 --> 01:06:50,787 before he died his death would have meaning and that, 1384 01:06:50,807 --> 01:06:55,377 you know, I'm trying to describe it in a way that 1385 01:06:56,947 --> 01:06:58,267 will be funny, but it's too hard. 1386 01:07:02,953 --> 01:07:04,334 Well, just give me a second cause I 1387 01:07:04,354 --> 01:07:06,269 really want to tell you, it's really funny. 1388 01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:08,004 It was like, "Mike, you know your death has meaning. 1389 01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:10,073 I'm going to do big things because I've realized 1390 01:07:10,093 --> 01:07:12,394 it's, you know, things that matter." 1391 01:07:14,431 --> 01:07:16,546 And he just like, it was funny cause he could barely talk. 1392 01:07:16,566 --> 01:07:17,814 Like if you know anyone who's dying, 1393 01:07:17,834 --> 01:07:19,616 they're not able to communicate. 1394 01:07:19,636 --> 01:07:21,084 And he just looks at me and goes, 1395 01:07:21,104 --> 01:07:22,664 "Sarah, you would have done it anyway." 1396 01:07:23,974 --> 01:07:26,007 And that was one of our last conversations. 1397 01:07:34,517 --> 01:07:35,898 It's not that I have to 1398 01:07:35,918 --> 01:07:37,367 find the Earth and name it after him. 1399 01:07:37,387 --> 01:07:39,035 It's more of the search for meaning 1400 01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:40,837 and how to live a meaningful life 1401 01:07:40,857 --> 01:07:43,706 and how to do something that actually makes a difference. 1402 01:07:43,726 --> 01:07:44,726 That's his legacy. 1403 01:07:47,063 --> 01:07:48,645 I have to have meaning. 1404 01:07:48,665 --> 01:07:50,513 I have to do something that has some importance 1405 01:07:50,533 --> 01:07:52,533 as seen by myself because otherwise I have nothing. 1406 01:07:53,736 --> 01:07:54,869 Does that make sense? 1407 01:08:16,226 --> 01:08:18,675 So, can I just be really blunt with you? 1408 01:08:18,695 --> 01:08:20,743 Sure. 1409 01:08:20,763 --> 01:08:24,732 While I understand there's a longer story arc to this, 1410 01:08:26,503 --> 01:08:28,818 this very complicated and very expensive mission 1411 01:08:28,838 --> 01:08:30,905 that has been delayed yet again. 1412 01:08:33,043 --> 01:08:35,225 I can shoot bull's eyes all day and then 1413 01:08:35,245 --> 01:08:36,826 as soon as somebody comes along and says, 1414 01:08:36,846 --> 01:08:39,562 "Oh, you're doing really well," it's over. 1415 01:08:39,582 --> 01:08:40,849 No, I won't hit a thing. 1416 01:08:44,054 --> 01:08:47,437 At some point, the only thing that can save you 1417 01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:49,439 would be somebody high level in the administration 1418 01:08:49,459 --> 01:08:52,575 who just says, "We're devoting the resources." 1419 01:08:52,595 --> 01:08:54,662 And Congress would have to back that up. 1420 01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:59,249 If you're going to do something, just do it right. 1421 01:08:59,269 --> 01:09:00,917 Now, see there's, that's good, that's good. 1422 01:09:00,937 --> 01:09:04,939 Yeah, so that's more accurate and precise. 1423 01:09:06,676 --> 01:09:09,792 We only have, not only just one precious planet, 1424 01:09:09,812 --> 01:09:14,864 it's this time, the specific time of now, 1425 01:09:14,884 --> 01:09:16,999 where we have to live. 1426 01:09:17,019 --> 01:09:18,601 What are you tasting? 1427 01:09:18,621 --> 01:09:19,736 What are you tasting? 1428 01:09:19,756 --> 01:09:21,404 Tasting something? 1429 01:09:21,424 --> 01:09:23,858 It's taking the salt off my fingers right now. 1430 01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:28,945 I hope, you know, for the sake of all of us, 1431 01:09:28,965 --> 01:09:32,348 I hope that JW just gets off the ground, flies, 1432 01:09:32,368 --> 01:09:35,017 and does well at everything that it does 1433 01:09:35,037 --> 01:09:37,105 and performs all of its objectives. 1434 01:09:46,248 --> 01:09:47,229 Hey. 1435 01:09:47,249 --> 01:09:48,831 Hello. 1436 01:09:48,851 --> 01:09:50,567 So it sounds like we should stick with 1437 01:09:50,587 --> 01:09:52,502 Trappist-1E and then look at this plan in detail 1438 01:09:52,522 --> 01:09:54,437 and make sure that we have it finalized. 1439 01:09:54,457 --> 01:09:56,839 This is our observation plan, you mean? 1440 01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:58,641 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1441 01:09:58,661 --> 01:10:00,710 It's going to be a really good test of the telescope itself. 1442 01:10:00,730 --> 01:10:03,646 I'd be really interested to understand, you know, 1443 01:10:03,666 --> 01:10:06,583 if they are tidally locked, like the moon. 1444 01:10:06,603 --> 01:10:08,184 Like, what that means for having 1445 01:10:08,204 --> 01:10:10,520 a permanent day and a permanent night side. 1446 01:10:10,540 --> 01:10:13,123 There would be some people who would constantly be 1447 01:10:13,143 --> 01:10:14,857 living in daylight and then other people 1448 01:10:14,877 --> 01:10:17,260 who would be constantly living in darkness? 1449 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,330 Right and the best place to be on these planets 1450 01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:23,466 would probably be perpetual twilight, right? 1451 01:10:23,486 --> 01:10:25,668 Or right around the... Right, right at the rim. 1452 01:10:25,688 --> 01:10:27,604 And what that would be like, 1453 01:10:27,624 --> 01:10:30,272 because living in the arctic and you living through 1454 01:10:30,292 --> 01:10:33,810 perpetual twilight, it's a very strange experience. 1455 01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:35,145 Do we know what 1456 01:10:35,165 --> 01:10:36,746 the temperature differences would be? 1457 01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:37,880 As long as there's air. 1458 01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:39,149 Air is very good. 1459 01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:40,529 They have substantial atmospheres. 1460 01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:43,620 My favorite thing about Trappist 1461 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,421 is that if you're on the surface of one of the planets 1462 01:10:45,441 --> 01:10:48,625 you can see the other planets resolved in the sky. 1463 01:10:48,645 --> 01:10:50,760 Yeah, bigger than the moon, right? 1464 01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:52,629 So it would never have been a question of, 1465 01:10:52,649 --> 01:10:54,816 you know, is the Earth, the center of the universe? 1466 01:10:56,052 --> 01:10:57,767 I mean, it's crazy to think that 1467 01:10:57,787 --> 01:10:59,702 Trappist being 39 light years away 1468 01:10:59,722 --> 01:11:02,772 means that they can hear what we were doing 1469 01:11:02,792 --> 01:11:05,093 on radio and television 39 years ago. 1470 01:11:06,729 --> 01:11:09,179 The first years of Reagan, Madonna. 1471 01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:10,780 What do you think they think about us? 1472 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,248 Do you think that they would think 1473 01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,450 that we're going in the right direction? 1474 01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:17,187 Interesting question, I like that one. 1475 01:11:17,207 --> 01:11:19,322 Well, so if they're monitoring our culture, 1476 01:11:19,342 --> 01:11:21,123 they're also monitoring like any sort of 1477 01:11:21,143 --> 01:11:24,260 atmospheric signals as well, right? 1478 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:25,795 Yeah. 1479 01:11:25,815 --> 01:11:27,597 So they're probably watching, you know, 1480 01:11:27,617 --> 01:11:29,131 our carbon dioxide emissions and all of this 1481 01:11:29,151 --> 01:11:30,800 and probably thinking... 1482 01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:33,954 "What are they doing down there?" 1483 01:12:07,523 --> 01:12:11,107 We cannot say this loudly enough 1484 01:12:11,127 --> 01:12:14,176 or clearly enough or often enough. 1485 01:12:14,196 --> 01:12:18,466 All countries can still change the course of this pandemic. 1486 01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:39,201 There is no planet B! 1487 01:12:39,221 --> 01:12:42,071 There is no planet B, there is no planet B! 1488 01:12:42,091 --> 01:12:43,806 If we destroy this planet, 1489 01:12:43,826 --> 01:12:45,007 there is no other planet to go to. 1490 01:12:45,027 --> 01:12:46,876 We only have one planet. 1491 01:12:46,896 --> 01:12:48,611 I want to be able to have kids. 1492 01:12:48,631 --> 01:12:49,946 I want my kids to be able to swim in the ocean, 1493 01:12:49,966 --> 01:12:51,481 climb mountains, be in nature. 1494 01:12:51,501 --> 01:12:54,150 Even if there was an inhabitable planet, 1495 01:12:54,170 --> 01:12:57,638 we're just gonna ruin it like we're ruining this one. 1496 01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:02,692 This is an emergency. 1497 01:13:02,712 --> 01:13:05,445 Our house is on fire. 1498 01:13:08,651 --> 01:13:13,388 We deserve a safe future and we demand a safe future. 1499 01:13:14,657 --> 01:13:17,106 Is that really too much to ask? 1500 01:13:17,126 --> 01:13:18,192 No! 1501 01:13:33,809 --> 01:13:35,925 Hello, nice to meet you. 1502 01:13:35,945 --> 01:13:37,593 Nice to meet you. 1503 01:13:37,613 --> 01:13:38,794 It's a pleasure to have you here. 1504 01:13:38,814 --> 01:13:39,814 Thank you so much. 1505 01:13:56,432 --> 01:13:58,348 But this was the place that he was under... 1506 01:13:58,368 --> 01:14:00,082 He was under house arrest for 1507 01:14:00,102 --> 01:14:02,370 starting a revolution that people didn't want started. 1508 01:14:03,973 --> 01:14:05,355 They were afraid of it. 1509 01:14:05,375 --> 01:14:06,956 They were afraid of what he saw. 1510 01:14:06,976 --> 01:14:08,558 They were afraid of the fact that he 1511 01:14:08,578 --> 01:14:12,547 used observation to upturn ancient wisdoms. 1512 01:14:19,321 --> 01:14:21,504 It isn't just that we're trying 1513 01:14:21,524 --> 01:14:23,373 to do amazing things with telescopes, 1514 01:14:23,393 --> 01:14:25,107 look for other planets, 1515 01:14:25,127 --> 01:14:28,177 I mean, our generation, my children are facing 1516 01:14:28,197 --> 01:14:31,098 real challenges on this planet. 1517 01:14:32,602 --> 01:14:35,251 How do we tackle these global problems 1518 01:14:35,271 --> 01:14:38,840 which actually will affect our own survival as a species? 1519 01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:43,259 It's going to take a collective endeavor 1520 01:14:43,279 --> 01:14:44,594 with the type of groups we're 1521 01:14:44,614 --> 01:14:46,262 putting together around the James Webb. 1522 01:14:46,282 --> 01:14:47,663 These are collaborative groups. 1523 01:14:47,683 --> 01:14:49,465 These are people who want to work together. 1524 01:14:49,485 --> 01:14:51,867 It gives me hope that we can change 1525 01:14:51,887 --> 01:14:53,736 the way we operate in the world. 1526 01:14:53,756 --> 01:14:56,872 Change the way we do science, using data to say, 1527 01:14:56,892 --> 01:14:59,475 "Look what is happening," and not just 1528 01:14:59,495 --> 01:15:01,210 going back and saying, "I don't want to hear," 1529 01:15:01,230 --> 01:15:02,930 or "I don't want to see." 1530 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:06,015 Well, you know, they said to Galileo, 1531 01:15:06,035 --> 01:15:08,284 "I don't want to hear, I don't want to see." 1532 01:15:08,304 --> 01:15:10,219 And yes, they sequestered him here 1533 01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,154 for the last 10 years of his life, 1534 01:15:12,174 --> 01:15:14,075 but here we are 400 years later 1535 01:15:15,311 --> 01:15:17,159 and we all know about Galileo 1536 01:15:17,179 --> 01:15:19,361 and we have to look up in our history books to remember 1537 01:15:19,381 --> 01:15:22,564 who the Pope was that actually put him away. 1538 01:15:22,584 --> 01:15:24,318 We remember Galileo. 1539 01:15:26,722 --> 01:15:28,523 I mean, Carl Sagan said it best. 1540 01:15:30,126 --> 01:15:31,373 It's going to take us centuries to get 1541 01:15:31,393 --> 01:15:33,528 to the stars as a species. 1542 01:15:35,265 --> 01:15:38,514 And it's going to have to be a better version of ourselves 1543 01:15:38,534 --> 01:15:41,269 to actually get that far on this planet. 1544 01:15:48,478 --> 01:15:50,126 Good morning, and welcome to 1545 01:15:50,146 --> 01:15:52,194 the second day of the hearing entitled 1546 01:15:52,214 --> 01:15:54,797 "James Webb Space Telescope Program 1547 01:15:54,817 --> 01:15:56,799 Breach and its Implications." 1548 01:15:56,819 --> 01:15:59,269 We've had a lot of discussion about cost 1549 01:15:59,289 --> 01:16:03,005 and the cost matters, but I will tell you taxpayers 1550 01:16:03,025 --> 01:16:04,474 and all of us are way more concerned about 1551 01:16:04,494 --> 01:16:06,342 value than cost at the end of the day. 1552 01:16:06,362 --> 01:16:08,478 James Webb should continue based on its 1553 01:16:08,498 --> 01:16:10,412 extraordinary scientific potential 1554 01:16:10,432 --> 01:16:12,282 and critical role in maintaining 1555 01:16:12,302 --> 01:16:15,351 US leadership in astronomy and astrophysics. 1556 01:16:15,371 --> 01:16:18,154 Let's finish this incredibly important project. 1557 01:16:18,174 --> 01:16:21,223 Inspiring and challenging projects such as the 1558 01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:26,028 James Webb Space Telescope are an investment in our future. 1559 01:16:26,048 --> 01:16:29,299 We must not lose sight of the importance 1560 01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:32,568 of bringing the James Webb Space Telescope 1561 01:16:32,588 --> 01:16:34,589 to a successful outcome. 1562 01:16:48,204 --> 01:16:49,451 All right, see you. 1563 01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:51,053 See you, have a good day. 1564 01:16:51,073 --> 01:16:52,073 I will. 1565 01:16:54,276 --> 01:16:55,658 So this is like 1566 01:16:55,678 --> 01:16:57,278 the biggest day of your career in a way. 1567 01:16:58,147 --> 01:16:59,180 It's pretty big. 1568 01:17:00,750 --> 01:17:02,732 Been working seven years towards this day. 1569 01:17:02,752 --> 01:17:06,468 So yeah, yeah, this is going to be now 1570 01:17:06,488 --> 01:17:09,405 the James Webb Observatory. 1571 01:17:09,425 --> 01:17:11,874 Before, you know, it was like this piece or that piece, 1572 01:17:11,894 --> 01:17:15,062 where now it's actually all together one piece. 1573 01:17:18,034 --> 01:17:20,482 You can see the way it's going to look when it's operating. 1574 01:17:20,502 --> 01:17:22,552 So yeah, it's kind of a big deal. 1575 01:17:22,572 --> 01:17:24,486 Everyone's really excited. 1576 01:17:24,506 --> 01:17:27,575 The entire team's kind of vibrating a little. 1577 01:17:32,982 --> 01:17:34,697 Ready. 1578 01:17:34,717 --> 01:17:36,298 I'm not allowed to follow you. 1579 01:17:36,318 --> 01:17:37,366 So this is goodbye, I guess. 1580 01:17:37,386 --> 01:17:38,300 Good luck. 1581 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:39,235 See you in a bit. 1582 01:17:39,255 --> 01:17:40,255 Ah, come on. 1583 01:17:43,192 --> 01:17:44,392 Dennis, I can't get in. 1584 01:17:51,333 --> 01:17:52,833 Thank you, see y'all. 1585 01:18:00,542 --> 01:18:02,057 You know, Amy has worked with me 1586 01:18:02,077 --> 01:18:03,593 since she joined the company 1587 01:18:03,613 --> 01:18:06,062 and I wanted her taking over alignments 1588 01:18:06,082 --> 01:18:09,065 because it requires attention to detail and people skills 1589 01:18:09,085 --> 01:18:13,002 and innate genius that's necessary to do it. 1590 01:18:13,022 --> 01:18:14,870 And today is the culmination as we 1591 01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:16,672 see the system go together but 1592 01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:18,408 it's going to go together precisely 1593 01:18:18,428 --> 01:18:21,611 and it's got to end up where it's supposed to be. 1594 01:18:21,631 --> 01:18:23,879 And that's the job to which she 1595 01:18:23,899 --> 01:18:26,067 has been devoted for these last seven years. 1596 01:18:28,438 --> 01:18:32,622 Every piece of hardware, 500 odd pieces of ground support, 1597 01:18:32,642 --> 01:18:34,875 have a story, have a team that's been devoted. 1598 01:18:36,578 --> 01:18:39,280 When I mean an act of collective genius, I mean it. 1599 01:18:45,655 --> 01:18:47,703 Many people have spent a big chunk of their careers 1600 01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:50,239 developing this system, done a tremendous job, 1601 01:18:50,259 --> 01:18:53,442 and they're ready to go and I'm ready to go. 1602 01:18:53,462 --> 01:18:56,312 It's just in our DNA to explore. 1603 01:18:56,332 --> 01:18:58,714 So as far as we send satellites out, 1604 01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:01,450 I think we should be willing to send humans out 1605 01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:03,070 but we have to learn how to do it. 1606 01:19:04,674 --> 01:19:07,323 It takes putting our minds and heads together 1607 01:19:07,343 --> 01:19:09,910 around a common goal, and I think we can do anything. 1608 01:19:11,747 --> 01:19:13,627 And human space flight is always pretty special. 1609 01:19:16,018 --> 01:19:18,534 And Webb is certainly in the same category 1610 01:19:18,554 --> 01:19:21,537 as human space flight in my mind. 1611 01:19:21,557 --> 01:19:23,405 So this is my capstone. 1612 01:19:23,425 --> 01:19:24,592 The Webb is my capstone. 1613 01:19:30,232 --> 01:19:31,747 You know, I'm moving. 1614 01:19:31,767 --> 01:19:34,083 So cleaning out my garage I found this 1615 01:19:34,103 --> 01:19:36,686 old binder paper that's from high school 1616 01:19:36,706 --> 01:19:39,607 and the theme was the American frontier. 1617 01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:42,892 You have to remember this was the 80s 1618 01:19:42,912 --> 01:19:45,495 so the backdrop of this was the space shuttle program. 1619 01:19:45,515 --> 01:19:48,949 And so I titled this speech, "Would You Go?" 1620 01:19:50,252 --> 01:19:53,569 "The year is 2010. 1621 01:19:53,589 --> 01:19:57,573 America has just begun the settlement of a new state. 1622 01:19:57,593 --> 01:19:59,509 But where is this state? 1623 01:19:59,529 --> 01:20:04,514 On a distant planet where only a few have ventured before." 1624 01:20:04,534 --> 01:20:05,647 And it's called "Would you Go?" 1625 01:20:05,667 --> 01:20:07,383 It's called "Would You Go?" 1626 01:20:07,403 --> 01:20:08,384 With a question mark and everything. 1627 01:20:08,404 --> 01:20:09,404 Yes. 1628 01:20:10,606 --> 01:20:11,787 So would you? 1629 01:20:11,807 --> 01:20:13,455 Well, here's the thing. 1630 01:20:13,475 --> 01:20:16,110 My current adult thinking is that 1631 01:20:17,413 --> 01:20:20,147 as important as exploration is, 1632 01:20:22,351 --> 01:20:25,535 love is probably even more so. 1633 01:20:25,555 --> 01:20:27,603 What about you, Natasha, would you go? 1634 01:20:27,623 --> 01:20:29,138 I don't know. 1635 01:20:29,158 --> 01:20:30,740 I think I'd have to take my posse, 1636 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,207 all the people that I love with me. 1637 01:20:32,227 --> 01:20:33,409 I wouldn't be able, it wouldn't be 1638 01:20:33,429 --> 01:20:34,476 a thing that I would do alone. 1639 01:20:34,496 --> 01:20:35,811 I would have to take a, 1640 01:20:35,831 --> 01:20:38,147 I would have to take my crew, you know? 1641 01:20:38,167 --> 01:20:41,417 What about you, Ellie, would you go? 1642 01:20:41,437 --> 01:20:42,551 You know, it's a good question. 1643 01:20:42,571 --> 01:20:44,553 I waffle on it all the time. 1644 01:20:44,573 --> 01:20:47,156 Going to Mars, you know? 1645 01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:48,176 It's tempting. 1646 01:20:49,645 --> 01:20:51,360 But still, I'd miss nature 1647 01:20:51,380 --> 01:20:52,980 in the way we have it here on Earth. 1648 01:21:02,792 --> 01:21:04,373 For whatever reason there's this thing. 1649 01:21:04,393 --> 01:21:05,574 I don't know if this is true or not, 1650 01:21:05,594 --> 01:21:06,976 but you know if you meet someone 1651 01:21:06,996 --> 01:21:08,578 within two years of when your husband died, 1652 01:21:08,598 --> 01:21:10,446 like two years is some kind of magic number, 1653 01:21:10,466 --> 01:21:11,466 I don't know why. 1654 01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:14,383 And I was thinking, "My two years is basically up. 1655 01:21:14,403 --> 01:21:15,184 So I guess it didn't work for me." 1656 01:21:15,204 --> 01:21:16,652 Right? 1657 01:21:16,672 --> 01:21:18,387 So just before my two year anniversary, 1658 01:21:18,407 --> 01:21:20,322 I was going to Canada. 1659 01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:22,724 I'd been invited to give a keynote talk. 1660 01:21:22,744 --> 01:21:24,994 So I go to the opening reception, 1661 01:21:25,014 --> 01:21:26,796 I see this guy across the room and I'm like, 1662 01:21:26,816 --> 01:21:28,998 "Wow, who's that guy? 1663 01:21:29,018 --> 01:21:30,866 I have to meet him." 1664 01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:33,602 And after my talk, I go to the cafeteria a little bit late 1665 01:21:33,622 --> 01:21:35,404 and there he is in the cafeteria 1666 01:21:35,424 --> 01:21:36,872 and he's with only one other person. 1667 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,540 And he's like, "Oh, do you want to have lunch?" 1668 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,009 I'm like, "Sure." 1669 01:21:40,029 --> 01:21:41,877 So we go and sit down for lunch and I'm thinking to myself, 1670 01:21:41,897 --> 01:21:45,815 "Wow, I can't believe I finally get to talk to this guy." 1671 01:21:45,835 --> 01:21:48,068 I left to go home and then we skyped. 1672 01:21:49,905 --> 01:21:51,687 In the very beginning it was like, 1673 01:21:51,707 --> 01:21:53,689 "I don't know what to do with this cause it's far away." 1674 01:21:53,709 --> 01:21:56,625 And then I'm thinking, "You know, this is good for me. 1675 01:21:56,645 --> 01:21:57,559 I can crush on a guy. 1676 01:21:57,579 --> 01:21:59,294 I can just shut the computer 1677 01:21:59,314 --> 01:22:00,562 if I don't feel like talking to him, 1678 01:22:00,582 --> 01:22:01,582 if it gets too personal." 1679 01:22:03,052 --> 01:22:05,501 In January, he was going to London for work. 1680 01:22:05,521 --> 01:22:07,369 And he's like, "Sarah, I'm going a few days early. 1681 01:22:07,389 --> 01:22:10,572 I hope you'll join me, I want to invite you." 1682 01:22:10,592 --> 01:22:12,107 And I wasn't sure what to do, but okay. 1683 01:22:12,127 --> 01:22:13,308 Of course I'm going to go, right? 1684 01:22:13,328 --> 01:22:15,110 So I go to London and I'm like, 1685 01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:16,578 "Wow, I don't know, are we boyfriend, girlfriend?" 1686 01:22:16,598 --> 01:22:17,847 I'm not really sure. 1687 01:22:17,867 --> 01:22:19,849 I'm just like, "Oh my God, like, 1688 01:22:19,869 --> 01:22:21,317 when am I going to get my first kiss?" 1689 01:22:21,337 --> 01:22:22,784 You know, here I'm like a grownup here. 1690 01:22:22,804 --> 01:22:24,505 This is ridiculous, right? 1691 01:22:26,208 --> 01:22:27,723 After dinner one night he takes me on a walk. 1692 01:22:27,743 --> 01:22:29,124 It's like raining cause you know 1693 01:22:29,144 --> 01:22:30,860 in London it's always miserable. 1694 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:31,793 And there we are in front of Buckingham Palace 1695 01:22:31,813 --> 01:22:33,529 and I got my first kiss. 1696 01:22:33,549 --> 01:22:35,397 And after that, it really was, 1697 01:22:35,417 --> 01:22:37,484 it felt like the romance of the millennium. 1698 01:22:48,764 --> 01:22:50,546 Time is a very funny thing. 1699 01:22:50,566 --> 01:22:54,950 And particularly the disconnect between human time, 1700 01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:59,288 geological time and cosmic time, right? 1701 01:22:59,308 --> 01:23:03,310 We don't interface very well with those longer timescales. 1702 01:23:05,247 --> 01:23:10,117 And thinking about the far future is really difficult. 1703 01:23:14,256 --> 01:23:17,372 But if we're going to have a long future, 1704 01:23:17,392 --> 01:23:19,909 we've got to outgrow all the kind of 1705 01:23:19,929 --> 01:23:22,378 aggressive tendencies and think about 1706 01:23:22,398 --> 01:23:25,447 what kind of place that would be, 1707 01:23:25,467 --> 01:23:27,568 where people actually valued 1708 01:23:29,405 --> 01:23:33,107 all life and took care of themselves, one another. 1709 01:23:44,086 --> 01:23:45,801 The hardest place is when you have to 1710 01:23:45,821 --> 01:23:48,403 just watch it all come to fruition. 1711 01:23:48,423 --> 01:23:49,939 It's like when you're kid finally gets 1712 01:23:49,959 --> 01:23:51,741 on the field and is swinging the bat. 1713 01:23:51,761 --> 01:23:54,228 I mean, you've got to sit there and be a good parent. 1714 01:23:56,698 --> 01:23:58,665 I'm sure Amy will be a good parent out there. 1715 01:24:02,171 --> 01:24:04,753 I wonder if Amy had them go check something 1716 01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:06,355 because she's staring up at something. 1717 01:24:06,375 --> 01:24:07,889 Yeah. 1718 01:24:07,909 --> 01:24:09,243 That one. 1719 01:24:23,392 --> 01:24:25,107 Now let's just start 1720 01:24:25,127 --> 01:24:26,775 getting everything in position and we'll see... 1721 01:24:26,795 --> 01:24:28,195 Then we should come down. 1722 01:24:29,731 --> 01:24:31,698 Going down. 1723 01:25:37,799 --> 01:25:40,100 It's just magic, it's magic. 1724 01:25:46,007 --> 01:25:48,657 It'd be awfully, awfully interesting 1725 01:25:48,677 --> 01:25:51,193 to look at another place and say, 1726 01:25:51,213 --> 01:25:53,881 "Oh, there's signatures of life there." 1727 01:25:55,417 --> 01:25:57,132 It may not be conclusive evidence, 1728 01:25:57,152 --> 01:25:59,953 but it sure would get people very, very excited. 1729 01:26:01,757 --> 01:26:03,272 Do you think there's life out there? 1730 01:26:03,292 --> 01:26:05,674 Yeah, I think there's life out there. 1731 01:26:05,694 --> 01:26:07,476 Can we find them? 1732 01:26:07,496 --> 01:26:08,077 I think we will. 1733 01:26:08,097 --> 01:26:09,010 In my lifetime? 1734 01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:10,030 God, I hope so. 1735 01:26:11,900 --> 01:26:14,468 Because, I want to know. You know? 1736 01:26:36,725 --> 01:26:37,973 Charles. 1737 01:26:37,993 --> 01:26:38,974 Oh, hi Sara. 1738 01:26:38,994 --> 01:26:40,576 How'd it go? 1739 01:26:40,596 --> 01:26:42,444 Well, I've set up the telescope and I'm just 1740 01:26:42,464 --> 01:26:44,045 waiting for it to get dark enough to do an alignment and... 1741 01:26:44,065 --> 01:26:45,046 Looks great. 1742 01:26:45,066 --> 01:26:46,648 Yeah. 1743 01:26:46,668 --> 01:26:48,317 What's up tonight? 1744 01:26:48,337 --> 01:26:50,051 Well, as soon as it gets a bit darker, 1745 01:26:50,071 --> 01:26:51,520 maybe we'll look at some galaxies. 1746 01:26:51,540 --> 01:26:53,322 I don't think Jupiter and any of the planets 1747 01:26:53,342 --> 01:26:54,523 are going to be up till later tonight. 1748 01:26:54,543 --> 01:26:56,658 Okay. 1749 01:26:56,678 --> 01:26:57,526 You see any stars yet? 1750 01:26:57,546 --> 01:26:59,461 Not yet, not yet. 1751 01:26:59,481 --> 01:27:01,997 But patiently waiting for at least Polaris to poke out. 1752 01:27:02,017 --> 01:27:03,999 Right, right. 1753 01:27:04,019 --> 01:27:06,753 But maybe we can discover some exoplanets. 1754 01:27:09,825 --> 01:27:11,592 There's fish jumping out there. 1755 01:27:18,099 --> 01:27:19,748 There it is. 1756 01:27:19,768 --> 01:27:21,150 Wow, that's really pretty. 1757 01:27:21,170 --> 01:27:22,217 The Whirlpool Galaxy M51, 1758 01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:23,952 one of my summer favorites. 1759 01:27:23,972 --> 01:27:25,354 It's amazing that 1760 01:27:25,374 --> 01:27:26,555 we can see it with this telescope. 1761 01:27:26,575 --> 01:27:28,157 Yeah. 1762 01:27:28,177 --> 01:27:30,359 And just how vast, like that's so huge, that scale. 1763 01:27:30,379 --> 01:27:32,227 Yeah, we are tiny, aren't we? 1764 01:27:32,247 --> 01:27:34,095 Really tiny. 1765 01:27:34,115 --> 01:27:35,764 Maybe there's a planet around a star there looking back... 1766 01:27:35,784 --> 01:27:37,366 At our spiral galaxy... 1767 01:27:37,386 --> 01:27:39,835 Maybe there are two people like us. 1768 01:27:39,855 --> 01:27:40,855 Yeah, maybe. 1769 01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:43,772 It's wonderful to be able to 1770 01:27:43,792 --> 01:27:44,906 wonder about the universe together. 1771 01:27:44,926 --> 01:27:45,926 It really is. 1772 01:27:58,940 --> 01:28:01,990 ¶ Fly me to the moon 1773 01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:06,847 ¶ And let me play among the stars ¶ 1774 01:28:08,617 --> 01:28:12,486 ¶ Let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars ¶ 1775 01:28:16,157 --> 01:28:21,261 ¶ In other words, hold my hand 1776 01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:30,437 ¶ In other words, darling, kiss me ¶ 1777 01:28:34,109 --> 01:28:39,112 ¶ Fill my heart with song and let me sing forevermore ¶ 1778 01:28:43,384 --> 01:28:48,255 ¶ You are all I long for, all I worship and adore ¶ 1779 01:28:51,126 --> 01:28:55,962 ¶ In other words, please be true ¶ 1780 01:28:59,735 --> 01:29:03,337 ¶ In other words, I love you 1781 01:29:41,576 --> 01:29:46,580 ¶ Fill my heart with song and let me sing forevermore ¶ 1782 01:29:50,185 --> 01:29:55,188 ¶ You are all I long for, all I worship and adore ¶ 1783 01:29:57,726 --> 01:30:02,562 ¶ In other words, please be true ¶ 1784 01:30:05,334 --> 01:30:10,337 ¶ And in other words, I love you ¶ 1785 01:30:13,342 --> 01:30:17,344 ¶ And in other words, I love you ¶ 137430

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