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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,243 --> 00:00:11,045 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:33,701 --> 00:00:36,770 MAN 1: You gotta understand that this was 1976. 3 00:00:36,804 --> 00:00:39,273 James Brown, Stravinsky, 4 00:00:39,307 --> 00:00:42,376 Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, 5 00:00:42,410 --> 00:00:46,680 all of these people were making music at the same time. 6 00:00:46,714 --> 00:00:49,450 Everybody wore it as a badge, 7 00:00:49,483 --> 00:00:51,785 it was a war crime to be different, 8 00:00:51,819 --> 00:00:55,123 musicians owned the music business, 9 00:00:56,224 --> 00:00:58,426 MAN 2: This guy approaches me. 10 00:00:58,459 --> 00:01:00,628 Then he said, "By the way, I want to introduce myself." 11 00:01:00,661 --> 00:01:03,531 "My name is John Francis Pastorius III. 12 00:01:03,564 --> 00:01:05,599 I'm the greatest bass player in the world." 13 00:01:05,633 --> 00:01:08,369 And I said, "Get the fuck out of here." 14 00:01:08,402 --> 00:01:11,405 MAN 3: I'm saying to myself, "Well, I'm might be selling this little white kid. 15 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:13,741 I'm gonna have to show him what to play and everything. 16 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:15,343 I have to tell him that, you know. 17 00:01:15,376 --> 00:01:17,745 I... The only thing I wanted to say was, "Slow down, man." 18 00:01:17,778 --> 00:01:19,147 [LAUGHS] 19 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:20,748 MAN 4: He could play Fields. 20 00:01:20,781 --> 00:01:24,418 Blues Fields, that people hadn't played in 30 years. 21 00:01:24,452 --> 00:01:27,488 MAN 5: Good Lord, no one was fucking with John Francis Pastorius III. 22 00:01:27,521 --> 00:01:29,089 You kidding me? 23 00:01:29,123 --> 00:01:32,360 You know, many come and few are chosen. He just had that. 24 00:01:32,393 --> 00:01:33,894 WOMAN: He had a mystical face. 25 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:37,331 You know, contact with the great mind, the divine mind, 26 00:01:37,365 --> 00:01:39,367 that permeates us all. 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,269 MAN 6: We were all like, "Man, Jaco!" 28 00:01:41,302 --> 00:01:42,503 And you know, it was like going to a game 29 00:01:42,536 --> 00:01:45,339 and you're rootin' for, you know, Michael Jordan. 30 00:01:45,373 --> 00:01:49,177 MAN 7: There were people who broke the bones in their thumbs 31 00:01:49,210 --> 00:01:52,713 so that they could bend their thumbs back like Jaco could. 32 00:01:52,746 --> 00:01:54,648 MAN 1: Oh, it's just the sound of it. 33 00:01:54,682 --> 00:01:57,218 MAN 2: The sound? I said, "What the fuck is that?" 34 00:01:57,251 --> 00:01:59,019 MAN 8: That's a bass player doing that. 35 00:01:59,052 --> 00:02:01,289 MAN 5: And not in your lifetime are you gonna find another one like that. 36 00:02:01,322 --> 00:02:03,056 [JAZZ MUSIC CONTINUES] 37 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:07,661 MAN 3: Good evening. Welcome to Oakland Park, Florida, where I grew up. 38 00:02:07,695 --> 00:02:13,434 I had the fortunate experience of growing up with everybody that played music. 39 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:16,170 I know where I stole every note. 40 00:02:16,204 --> 00:02:19,807 And I was raised by the best musicians in the world. 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,543 Thank you, Jesus and God. 42 00:02:25,913 --> 00:02:27,215 [WHISTLE BLOWS] 43 00:02:33,721 --> 00:02:37,491 MAN: Had to be '83 or '84... 44 00:02:41,329 --> 00:02:42,696 How do you feel today, Jaco? 45 00:02:42,730 --> 00:02:44,832 - Okay, Jerry. - All right. 46 00:02:44,865 --> 00:02:46,767 You know, a lot has been said about you. 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,404 But the main thing is that people recognize the fact 48 00:02:50,438 --> 00:02:53,707 that you're able to play with real sincerity, 49 00:02:53,741 --> 00:02:55,576 every style of music. 50 00:02:55,609 --> 00:02:59,813 Not only every style, but you can play all parts of a given piece 51 00:02:59,847 --> 00:03:03,584 at the same time, on this one instrument, the bass. 52 00:03:03,617 --> 00:03:05,619 Now, because of this, a lot of people have gone crazy 53 00:03:05,653 --> 00:03:07,421 trying to duplicate what you do. 54 00:03:07,455 --> 00:03:09,223 People who have become great fans of the bass 55 00:03:09,257 --> 00:03:10,758 and given it quite a bit of attention. 56 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:13,594 How do you, uh, feel about that? 57 00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:17,465 - Give me a gig, you know. - [BOTH LAUGH] 58 00:03:17,498 --> 00:03:18,499 [PLAYS A CHORD] 59 00:03:19,567 --> 00:03:22,503 He said, "Well, heck, you know, give me a gig." 60 00:03:22,536 --> 00:03:24,305 And ironically, at that particular point, 61 00:03:24,338 --> 00:03:26,540 he couldn't get... He couldn't get a gig. 62 00:03:26,574 --> 00:03:28,242 What drove you to this point? 63 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:35,015 It was all over him. You could see it, 64 00:03:35,048 --> 00:03:37,751 that he was a man who had trouble. 65 00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:40,788 But getting it out was, was very important. 66 00:03:40,821 --> 00:03:42,456 Even, you know, in the shape that he was in. 67 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:45,693 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 68 00:04:11,519 --> 00:04:13,053 It wasn't just notes. 69 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:15,823 It had feeling, it had meaning to it, it had character. 70 00:04:16,924 --> 00:04:18,726 You can't really teach that, 71 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:21,028 This is stuff that he learned to play when he was in his heart. 72 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:30,771 [THUNDER RUMBLING] 73 00:04:32,706 --> 00:04:34,542 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 74 00:04:34,575 --> 00:04:36,377 [CROWD CHEERING AND APPLAUDING] 75 00:04:43,351 --> 00:04:46,554 ROBERT: Jaco, four letters. Who is this guy? 76 00:04:48,088 --> 00:04:51,024 And once you actually heard him play, 77 00:04:51,058 --> 00:04:54,428 you know, it was like getting slapped in the face, 78 00:04:54,462 --> 00:04:57,731 you know, just bam! Wow! 79 00:04:57,765 --> 00:04:59,500 FLEA: Everything changed when he started playing, 80 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:00,734 it was never the same again, 81 00:05:00,768 --> 00:05:02,736 he shredded everything that came before him 82 00:05:02,770 --> 00:05:04,372 and it will never be done again. 83 00:05:04,405 --> 00:05:05,839 He just changed the rules 84 00:05:05,873 --> 00:05:08,609 of what's possible on the bass and what can be done. 85 00:05:08,642 --> 00:05:11,512 That, that dude was the greatest, you know. 86 00:05:11,545 --> 00:05:14,548 I mean, we all say that he's our Hendrix. 87 00:05:14,582 --> 00:05:16,350 [AUDIENCE CHEERING] 88 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:34,702 [CONTINUE CHEERING] 89 00:05:47,415 --> 00:05:48,849 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 90 00:05:54,655 --> 00:05:56,590 JERRY: Remarkable talent. 91 00:05:56,624 --> 00:05:58,826 The delivery system was that, yeah, the chops were there, 92 00:05:58,859 --> 00:06:01,662 but the support he needed was pulled away. 93 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:02,863 For whatever reason. 94 00:06:07,501 --> 00:06:09,737 He was already an artist, you see, 95 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:12,440 and being an artist, it's hard to, you know, 96 00:06:13,106 --> 00:06:14,642 it's hard to go back. 97 00:06:15,676 --> 00:06:17,711 [ELECTRONIC MUSIC PLAYING] 98 00:06:38,632 --> 00:06:42,536 JACO: I grew up in Florida, where there was no real musical prejudice. 99 00:06:44,171 --> 00:06:47,975 There was all sorts of music. Everything from Cuban music 100 00:06:48,008 --> 00:06:49,843 to symphonic music, everything. 101 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:57,851 Like, everything you wanted to hear, you could hear it. 102 00:06:57,885 --> 00:06:59,119 And everything was here. 103 00:07:19,272 --> 00:07:21,842 I really wasn't influenced that much by bass players. 104 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:23,511 To tell you the truth, 105 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:25,078 I didn't even know who the bass players were most of the time. 106 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,784 The main thing was just the music itself. 107 00:07:30,818 --> 00:07:34,988 Whatever was like hip then, that's what I was checking out. 108 00:07:35,022 --> 00:07:36,690 Mostly, like, all 45s. 109 00:07:39,192 --> 00:07:40,928 [PLEASE DON'T LOVE ME PLAYING] 110 00:07:46,266 --> 00:07:49,937 * Please don't love me 111 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:53,607 * And please don't step on toes 112 00:07:53,641 --> 00:07:57,177 * It's not too smart To walk on hearts 113 00:07:57,210 --> 00:08:00,781 * So, baby, please go slow... 114 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:04,184 We moved to Florida in around '58, '59. 115 00:08:04,217 --> 00:08:06,820 There was never a bad record in our house. 116 00:08:06,854 --> 00:08:09,790 Nat King Cole, Tony Bennett, all the big bands. 117 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:11,525 That was all I would listen to. 118 00:08:11,559 --> 00:08:14,628 * But, baby, please go slow 119 00:08:14,662 --> 00:08:17,865 * And don't be so dark I'm serious 120 00:08:18,966 --> 00:08:21,635 * You could learn to fly... 121 00:08:23,136 --> 00:08:24,772 Jaco used to come up and watch us. 122 00:08:24,805 --> 00:08:28,842 Believe it or not, we're working in Charlie Johnson's Crab House 123 00:08:28,876 --> 00:08:31,812 and his mother brought him in for dinner. 124 00:08:31,845 --> 00:08:34,081 And I got Jaco up on the bandstand 125 00:08:34,114 --> 00:08:36,116 sat him on the piano. 126 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:39,319 He sang the whole Come Fly With Me album. 127 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:41,088 Sinatra album. 128 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:44,558 That is the first time that I ever thought, 129 00:08:44,592 --> 00:08:47,127 "Man, like, this guy is gonna be something else." 130 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,897 He just sat there like nothing and sang the whole album. 131 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:51,699 - [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] - [APPLAUSE] 132 00:08:53,634 --> 00:08:56,870 Jaco used to go to bed at night with little transistor radios. 133 00:08:56,904 --> 00:08:58,806 He would listen to Cuba. 134 00:08:58,839 --> 00:09:00,874 He would get Cuba on that radio. 135 00:09:00,908 --> 00:09:02,910 - [CUBAN MUSIC PLAYING] - [PEOPLE CHATTERING] 136 00:09:07,948 --> 00:09:09,850 He was obsessed with good music. 137 00:09:12,285 --> 00:09:14,622 He served papers. 138 00:09:14,655 --> 00:09:17,791 He had 250 papers a day. In the off season. 139 00:09:19,326 --> 00:09:20,794 He was a worker. He was a worker. 140 00:09:20,828 --> 00:09:23,797 So one day he went out and bought a full set of drums. 141 00:09:23,831 --> 00:09:25,599 All the money he saved. 142 00:09:25,633 --> 00:09:27,067 [CUBAN MUSIC CONTINUES] 143 00:09:48,756 --> 00:09:52,960 Jaco was born John Francis Pastorius III, 144 00:09:52,993 --> 00:09:56,396 but my mom didn't want to call him John 145 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:58,832 'cause that was, you know, my grandfather. 146 00:09:58,866 --> 00:10:00,868 And it wasn't going to be Jack. 147 00:10:00,901 --> 00:10:03,003 And she says she came up with Jaco. 148 00:10:06,206 --> 00:10:11,244 My mom had a really horrific childhood. 149 00:10:11,278 --> 00:10:16,850 Her mother took everything that was wrong in her life, out on my mom. 150 00:10:16,884 --> 00:10:18,786 She was the middle of nine children. 151 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:22,790 My mom wanted to be the homemaker, you know, 152 00:10:22,823 --> 00:10:25,058 She wanted to take care of somebody. 153 00:10:25,092 --> 00:10:27,327 My dad did not want to be taken care of. 154 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:32,900 They would go out to dinner 155 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:34,902 and everybody wanted to buy Jack a drink. 156 00:10:34,935 --> 00:10:36,770 He was an entertainer. 157 00:10:38,438 --> 00:10:41,141 And so, it became pretty evident 158 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:43,844 when we moved to South Florida 159 00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:46,313 that we were gonna live with my mom 160 00:10:46,346 --> 00:10:48,882 and my dad was gonna float around. 161 00:10:49,817 --> 00:10:50,884 [ENGINE REVVING] 162 00:10:52,485 --> 00:10:54,121 My dad, you know, sent money. 163 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:55,422 A couple of times where it lapsed. 164 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:58,692 Clothes got passed down 165 00:10:58,726 --> 00:11:01,895 and you know, I can remember, you know, pancakes and Kool-Aid for dinner. 166 00:11:08,235 --> 00:11:10,103 You know, it was life with mom. 167 00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:12,740 [DRUMSTICKS CLACKING] 168 00:11:12,773 --> 00:11:14,307 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING] 169 00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:24,317 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 170 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:44,972 Las Olas Brass was based on, you know, the Tijuana Brass, 171 00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:47,240 Herb Alpert's thing. 172 00:11:47,274 --> 00:11:50,110 Soul tunes and anything Motown. 173 00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:52,245 But back then, Florida was, 174 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:55,182 South Florida was a cracker town, man. 175 00:11:58,886 --> 00:12:02,122 You got the nice white side over here, on the east, 176 00:12:02,155 --> 00:12:05,425 and to the west was what you now call the hood. 177 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:14,534 We would go ride our bicycles over into, you know, the hood. 178 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:17,137 And I remember, we used to sit on sacks. 179 00:12:17,170 --> 00:12:19,306 [MUSIC CONTINUES] 180 00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:34,054 [DOG BARKING] 181 00:12:37,925 --> 00:12:40,327 BOB: In the neighborhood there was this club... There it is. 182 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,196 You know, it was like, two houses put together. And a fence around it. 183 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:45,332 And everyone's howling in the street. [HOWLS] 184 00:12:45,365 --> 00:12:47,167 You know, they got a couple of neon signs. 185 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,936 It's like a makeshift night club in the middle of this neighborhood. 186 00:12:48,969 --> 00:12:50,537 It was wild, you know. 187 00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:52,806 And I'm thinkin', "Okay, you know, I don't wanna" 188 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,175 act like I'm frightened or concerned about this." 189 00:12:55,208 --> 00:12:56,443 We're kids, you know. 190 00:12:56,476 --> 00:12:59,212 But he says, "Park there." He directs me to park 191 00:12:59,246 --> 00:13:00,981 over weeds, in this field. 192 00:13:01,014 --> 00:13:04,384 And he goes, "Listen, man, I'm gonna get ready to play and be cool." 193 00:13:04,417 --> 00:13:07,420 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 194 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,190 This place was wild. 195 00:13:10,223 --> 00:13:13,126 It's a total black club, of course, and he's already got this like, jive thing, 196 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,294 "Hey, baby, what's happening?" 197 00:13:14,327 --> 00:13:17,530 And you know, it's, "Oh, hey, Jaco." 198 00:13:17,564 --> 00:13:19,299 It's like he practiced with the band, you know. 199 00:13:19,332 --> 00:13:21,001 I mean, he knew the tunes. 200 00:13:21,034 --> 00:13:23,871 Jaco was looking for the best musicians, 201 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:26,473 searching out the hottest cats. 202 00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:28,575 He loved guys like Little Beaver, 203 00:13:28,608 --> 00:13:30,343 Frank Williams and The Rocketeers. 204 00:13:30,377 --> 00:13:32,345 These guys aren't on records on the stores, 205 00:13:32,379 --> 00:13:34,014 they're been played on black stations only. 206 00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:37,384 Like on WRBD Radio, it was a black station. 207 00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:39,419 By the way, Jaco got three dollars that night. 208 00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:41,488 Three dollars. 209 00:13:44,457 --> 00:13:45,859 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 210 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:53,033 JACO: That was it. I just started that simple. 211 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:55,035 I just went and bought a bass and I was working at night, 212 00:13:55,068 --> 00:13:57,104 just making like I could play it, you know. 213 00:13:58,906 --> 00:14:01,241 R&B or maybe some rock 'n' roll or whatever. 214 00:14:01,274 --> 00:14:03,443 Just to get some work, you know. 215 00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:04,577 Have some fun. 216 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:08,982 And I had no ambition whatsoever in life, at all, 217 00:14:09,016 --> 00:14:10,650 except for just, um, play tonight. 218 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:13,520 That's it. I'm gonna go play tonight over at this club, you know. 219 00:14:20,493 --> 00:14:22,395 [ROCK 'N' ROLL MUSIC PLAYING] 220 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:24,431 [ENGINE REVVING] 221 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:54,594 * Can't Turn You Loose... 222 00:14:54,627 --> 00:14:59,699 I love, rot gut, stomp, kick, blues, rhythmic blues. 223 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:03,403 Over the years, I was know as the king of Blue Eyed Soul. 224 00:15:03,436 --> 00:15:07,007 See, up to then people toured, that's what you did, you toured year round. 225 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,543 I toured 48 to 50 weeks a year for 25 years. 226 00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:15,548 And if you walk off with any energy left then you didn't give your all. 227 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:20,988 I mean, you had to be the best amongst the most exciting, the baddest that ever lived. 228 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,867 It was hell on any musician. 229 00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:38,238 They just didn't believe when you come into band that you could cut it. 230 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:41,308 Because they believed they were the baddest kickers in the world. 231 00:15:41,341 --> 00:15:43,243 They could chew a little kid like Jaco up. 232 00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:48,448 And he comes in to audition, of course, 233 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:50,617 the band put charts in front of him 234 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:53,286 from what I gather, he didn't read much at all. 235 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,389 All that mattered to me was can he play a field. 236 00:15:56,423 --> 00:16:01,061 I just give him a chord and say "I'm gonna count to four, we're gonna play a blues." 237 00:16:01,094 --> 00:16:02,562 Play some lead blues right now. 238 00:16:06,533 --> 00:16:09,236 * 'Cause the old folks 239 00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:13,240 * The old folks Keep on dying, yeah... * 240 00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:16,509 He was straight, he could play fields, blues fields, 241 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:19,012 that people hadn't played in thirty years. 242 00:16:19,046 --> 00:16:21,414 If he heard it one time, he could play it authentically, 243 00:16:21,448 --> 00:16:24,351 but not only where the notes right, the field was right. 244 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:26,353 And that was the one thing that impressed me. 245 00:16:26,386 --> 00:16:28,521 I knew it, I knew somebody in the band gonna teach him to read. 246 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:35,262 RANDY: Jaco had two pairs of corduroy jeans and three t-shirts 247 00:16:35,295 --> 00:16:39,166 and everything he owned fit in his Fender bass case. 248 00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:44,537 The tux was way to big for Jaco so he left all his clothes on 249 00:16:44,571 --> 00:16:46,773 and put the tux on over it so he's got 250 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:49,342 two layers of clothes to make his tux fit 251 00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:51,078 [LAUGHING] 252 00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:54,147 He kept all his money and cash and put it in his sock 253 00:16:54,181 --> 00:16:56,149 and he put it in his Fender bass case. 254 00:16:56,483 --> 00:16:59,186 And uh, 255 00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:01,788 he spent very little money. 256 00:17:01,821 --> 00:17:04,657 If we ate in a restaurant, he ordered the cheapest thing on the menu. 257 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:08,195 Usually a hot dog. That's what he ate. 258 00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:11,698 Put the rest of the money in his sock, kept it, and sent it home. 259 00:17:11,731 --> 00:17:14,734 He was, he was a great road father. 260 00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:17,737 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 261 00:17:21,441 --> 00:17:23,410 [MELLOW MUSIC PLAYING] 262 00:17:43,596 --> 00:17:46,466 I was instantly comfortable with him. 263 00:17:48,735 --> 00:17:51,304 You know, he had that kinda power over people. 264 00:17:51,338 --> 00:17:52,305 Instant charm. 265 00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:58,245 He was a junior, I was a sophomore. 266 00:17:58,278 --> 00:18:00,380 And he and I just sat on a beach bench 267 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:02,449 and just talked for a couple of hours. 268 00:18:05,852 --> 00:18:09,889 Both our fathers were Jazz musicians, 269 00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:13,860 both our families had broken up, the fathers drank to much, 270 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:16,496 you know, I, I didn't have to put on any errors. 271 00:18:23,370 --> 00:18:27,440 He had it figured out mathematically. 272 00:18:27,474 --> 00:18:30,177 That when I was a senior in high school, 273 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:32,779 "You know what, I think it's time for us to have a baby." 274 00:18:37,817 --> 00:18:39,852 He had places to go. 275 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:55,402 GREGORY: When Mary was born. 276 00:18:55,435 --> 00:18:58,871 The day she was born, Joc and I went to the hospital 277 00:18:58,905 --> 00:19:01,241 and where looking at her through the glass. 278 00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:03,476 She's in there in a bassinet. 279 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:06,313 Jaco looks at me and goes, "Gregory", 280 00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:09,449 I got to do something on that electric bass that's never been done before." 281 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:12,852 And he pointed at Mary. 282 00:19:12,885 --> 00:19:15,888 I was like, "Well, okay I get it." 283 00:19:15,922 --> 00:19:19,459 You know, he's got to support this kid and... 284 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:21,928 I mean, you know, he was a working musician. 285 00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:26,833 But, working musician around town, that's, that's tough. 286 00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:29,302 And so, it just, the way he said it, 287 00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:31,471 I got to do something that's never been done before. 288 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:34,741 Well, he did. 289 00:19:36,309 --> 00:19:38,378 [PLAYING BASS GUITAR] 290 00:20:23,323 --> 00:20:24,324 That voice, 291 00:20:27,026 --> 00:20:29,896 was the voice of music, it was the singer and the horn. 292 00:20:29,929 --> 00:20:34,033 It's not the rhythm section. The rhythm section is there doing the work to support it. 293 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:36,303 We're the, we're the setting of that ring. 294 00:20:36,336 --> 00:20:38,438 We made that diamond shine brilliantly. 295 00:20:40,006 --> 00:20:41,574 In the right setting the gem is beautiful, 296 00:20:41,608 --> 00:20:44,811 in the wrong setting, you can't see the brilliance of it. 297 00:20:46,813 --> 00:20:50,283 So, our job is primarily to support that stone, 298 00:20:50,317 --> 00:20:52,785 but he was able to become the stone also. 299 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:03,663 First thing, was to learn to melody to every tune. 300 00:21:03,696 --> 00:21:07,434 - Um-hmm. - Which I feel is like ultra important. 301 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:09,702 - Uh-huh. - The melody is always designated 302 00:21:09,736 --> 00:21:12,805 let's say to a horn player the piano or the guitar. 303 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:15,007 - Um-hm. - But it's nice to play it on the bass, too. 304 00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:17,410 Certainly. And a fretless bass. 305 00:21:17,444 --> 00:21:20,780 The fretless, I, I took the frets out of my bass 306 00:21:20,813 --> 00:21:24,016 after I was, you know, getting into jazz a lot and to have that, 307 00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:27,053 that upright sound, you know, so I had an upright. 308 00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:30,089 Took me years and years to get enough bread to get it. 309 00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,525 One morning when I woke up, 310 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:34,394 in the corner the base is in, like, a hundred pieces, 311 00:21:34,427 --> 00:21:37,597 you know, 'cause the humidity is so bad, I mean, the upright just blew up. 312 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,633 I said, "Forget it, I can't afford this any more, so I went out", 313 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:43,570 got a knife, 314 00:21:43,603 --> 00:21:46,973 and took all of, you know, frets out of my Fender. That was it. 315 00:21:47,006 --> 00:21:48,341 And the rest is history. 316 00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:49,376 [BOTH CHUCKLE] 317 00:21:54,046 --> 00:21:55,915 Careful, don't cut yourself. 318 00:21:55,948 --> 00:21:56,983 Don't cut me. 319 00:21:58,418 --> 00:22:00,420 Yeah. 320 00:22:00,453 --> 00:22:03,756 It's closer to the the, the sound of a voice, the flexibility of a voice. 321 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:07,427 The inflections. This, this adds to, to sort of a 322 00:22:07,460 --> 00:22:09,962 metallic tone to the, to the quality to the sound. 323 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,831 That's right, it's less metallic. 324 00:22:11,864 --> 00:22:12,899 [LAUGHING] 325 00:22:12,932 --> 00:22:14,434 Using a fretless bass 326 00:22:15,468 --> 00:22:18,004 gave the instrument a resonance 327 00:22:18,037 --> 00:22:21,441 not to similar to a cello. 328 00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:26,613 That resonant rich warm tone that sounds like a cello. 329 00:22:26,646 --> 00:22:28,915 I think, every bass player in the world having heard that 330 00:22:28,948 --> 00:22:31,384 was... their world was suddenly re-calibrated. 331 00:22:32,084 --> 00:22:33,586 What about harmonics? 332 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:36,556 That's something that you, like you pioneered. 333 00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:39,358 I mean, this must have had harmonics on them forever, but you have like, 334 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:42,094 almost like you went to a mine 335 00:22:42,128 --> 00:22:44,664 and you know, gotten gold out of something that wasn't there before. 336 00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:46,733 Well, when I was first playing 337 00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:48,635 a friend of mine 338 00:22:48,668 --> 00:22:51,738 I saw him just tuning his guitar with harmonics which everybody does and uh, 339 00:22:51,771 --> 00:22:53,540 so I was just doing this, 340 00:22:53,573 --> 00:22:56,543 it sounded like music to me so I just kept, kept exploring it. 341 00:22:56,576 --> 00:22:58,578 That's all there was to it. 342 00:22:58,611 --> 00:23:04,016 He explored the harmonic range of, of the instrument by, by playing harmonics 343 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:08,187 that uh, gave the bass suddenly a symphonic range. 344 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,457 Which again was ming blowing. 345 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:11,724 [PLAYING BASS GUITAR] 346 00:23:51,531 --> 00:23:54,967 I think they gave me a cassette of Jaco playing. 347 00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:59,772 And I'm listening to this wondering who in the heck is this? 348 00:23:59,806 --> 00:24:01,474 Nobody plays like this. 349 00:24:03,009 --> 00:24:04,176 I was hard to describe. 350 00:24:06,713 --> 00:24:10,617 Jaco, married to Tracy with his two kids John and Mary. 351 00:24:10,650 --> 00:24:14,721 Definitely a family man, almost like uh, like uh like a farmer. 352 00:24:17,757 --> 00:24:22,495 His own personality is so in much what he does. 353 00:24:22,529 --> 00:24:24,764 You're not even aware of the influences. 354 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:26,232 You're hearing something new. 355 00:24:28,568 --> 00:24:31,671 What I heard was him. 356 00:24:31,704 --> 00:24:35,942 And that's one of the most important elements that a musician must have. 357 00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:45,017 Jaco had developed his own sound. 358 00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:01,267 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING] 359 00:25:15,682 --> 00:25:17,550 [MAN VOCALIZING] 360 00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:22,288 * There's days in my life When I drift through my mind 361 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:26,693 * Thinking about the good times The kind I left behind 362 00:25:26,726 --> 00:25:28,961 * Next, I'm aware... 363 00:25:28,995 --> 00:25:31,731 This was I think, 1974. 364 00:25:31,764 --> 00:25:33,265 My band was Blood, Sweat and Tears. 365 00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:35,201 He was doing a residency down there, 366 00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:37,937 a Bachelors III in Fort Lauderdale. 367 00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:40,239 [CHATTERING] 368 00:25:40,272 --> 00:25:44,644 The softball team for Bachelors III asked me to play 369 00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:49,081 and center field was a blond woman and she had her mid on and her hands on her knees. 370 00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:51,183 She went, "Badder, badder, hey, badder, badder!" 371 00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:53,953 I just said, "Who are you?" And she said, "Oh, I'm Tracy." 372 00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:56,355 I said, "Well, how are you affiliated with this group?" 373 00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:58,991 She said, "Well, I work at the club." I said, "I never saw you at the club." 374 00:25:59,025 --> 00:26:01,327 She said, "I don't hang out much, I just kinda go home." 375 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,664 And she was really cute, really, really sweet girl. 376 00:26:04,697 --> 00:26:07,600 I said, "Are you married?" And she said, "Yes." 377 00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:12,104 Uh... Pause. "To the greatest bass player in the world!" 378 00:26:12,138 --> 00:26:16,308 This fellow shows up, thin guy with kind of plastic glasses. 379 00:26:16,342 --> 00:26:19,378 And he said, "I'm Tracy's husband, Jaco." 380 00:26:19,411 --> 00:26:22,281 I said, "Oh. I understand you're the greatest bass player in the world." 381 00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:25,652 He said, "I am." And I went, "Okay." 382 00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:28,287 And then of course, the arrogant New York side of me came out. 383 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,024 And I said, "Well, why don't you get your bass and just play a little bit?" 384 00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:33,926 Just play." 385 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,765 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 386 00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:42,869 He played Donna Lee, that's a Charlie Parker song with a solo. 387 00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:48,708 [PLAYING THE SAXOPHONE] 388 00:26:48,741 --> 00:26:51,610 [PLAYING THE DRUMS] 389 00:26:52,411 --> 00:26:57,383 [PLAYING THE SAXOPHONE] 390 00:26:59,351 --> 00:27:03,322 He played it with the facility and the phrasing 391 00:27:03,355 --> 00:27:07,059 and nuance as a saxophone player. 392 00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:09,729 He wouldn't go... [VOCALIZING] 393 00:27:09,762 --> 00:27:11,664 He'd go... [VOCALIZING] 394 00:27:11,698 --> 00:27:14,901 Which I had never heard before in that instrument. 395 00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:18,771 And I said, "You know, look, I'm gonna try and get you a record deal." 396 00:27:19,706 --> 00:27:25,077 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 397 00:27:26,813 --> 00:27:28,915 I brought Jaco to New York 398 00:27:28,948 --> 00:27:32,151 and he lived there with me while we were doing this album. 399 00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:35,421 Luckily the head of A&R was a bass player. 400 00:27:35,454 --> 00:27:39,992 And I thought, you know, there is no one that's gonna hear this who plays 401 00:27:40,026 --> 00:27:42,128 a stringed instrument that isn't gonna go, 402 00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:45,998 "All right. Let's just start all over and figure out what's going on." 403 00:27:46,032 --> 00:27:48,901 And Jaco had a tremendous sense of loyalty. 404 00:27:48,935 --> 00:27:51,270 His friends in Florida meant a lot to him. 405 00:27:51,303 --> 00:27:55,041 And he wanted to keep them involved as much as possible. 406 00:27:55,074 --> 00:27:59,746 He comes to my house and he says, "We got signed!" 407 00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:04,851 As soon as he said "we" like we was like Simon and Garfunkel or something. 408 00:28:04,884 --> 00:28:07,219 He said, "Come on, you gotta fly up here to New York." 409 00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:11,090 And he says, "Do not come up if you're not gonna deliver." 410 00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:15,127 He didn't tell me a lot of what we were walking into. 411 00:28:15,161 --> 00:28:19,031 My first day there, I walk into Columbia Studios, 412 00:28:19,065 --> 00:28:21,200 Hubert Laws is the first one I see 413 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:24,170 and then I turn and there's Lenny White sitting by the drums, 414 00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:28,040 and Jaco's eyes have lit up 'cause he knows he's found home. 415 00:28:28,074 --> 00:28:30,743 This is the level that he belongs on. 416 00:28:30,777 --> 00:28:35,748 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 417 00:28:35,782 --> 00:28:39,752 Word got out really fast around the New York scene. 418 00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:45,157 Jaco was able to handpick whoever he wanted. 419 00:28:45,191 --> 00:28:48,895 If you look at the pictures, from that recording, 420 00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:53,199 my hair was all over my head and you know, it was wild. 421 00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:58,270 And basically, what would happen is, we would go play, take a take, 422 00:28:58,304 --> 00:29:00,406 and go outside and play basketball. 423 00:29:00,439 --> 00:29:02,441 I mean, we could have done this on bicycles 424 00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:04,977 with microphones and he would have played it perfectly. 425 00:29:05,011 --> 00:29:08,848 I don't think there were a lot of takes on anything. And there were no expectations. 426 00:29:08,881 --> 00:29:13,252 This wasn't a hit record, pop radio, sort of thing. 427 00:29:13,285 --> 00:29:19,792 My goal was to bring Jaco to as many people as humanely possible. 428 00:29:19,826 --> 00:29:25,164 To just have them listen and recognize this genius. 429 00:29:25,197 --> 00:29:29,568 And then from there, whatever happens, happens but that's the goal of a first record. 430 00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:31,570 And that's what I wanted to happen 431 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:34,473 and I'm absolutely confident that's exactly what happened. 432 00:29:36,108 --> 00:29:42,781 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 433 00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:47,019 Everybody was interested in working for Jaco. 434 00:29:47,053 --> 00:29:49,055 I went over there with Ronson. 435 00:29:49,088 --> 00:29:50,923 "We've got to see this guy, you know." 436 00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:55,127 And Jaco just sat us up there in Bobby's house playing... 437 00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:59,598 Kind of like a performing seal or something. 438 00:29:59,631 --> 00:30:02,801 Enormous ego, but innocent. 439 00:30:04,503 --> 00:30:06,405 He was 21 years old at that point. 440 00:30:06,438 --> 00:30:09,909 He knew about dope, he knew about all that stuff. He was too clever for that. 441 00:30:09,942 --> 00:30:12,378 He would sit on top of a hill and meditate. 442 00:30:12,411 --> 00:30:16,448 He had it all down, you know. 443 00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:20,552 I'm just about to do All American Alien Boy so he said, "I'll do that." 444 00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:24,156 He was totally immersed in whatever he did. 445 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:25,958 In my case, it was the record I was doing. 446 00:30:25,992 --> 00:30:30,029 But like three months later, he was totally immersed in something else. 447 00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:32,932 * Well I was born On the line 448 00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:35,367 * And I was raised On the line 449 00:30:35,401 --> 00:30:38,037 * Oh, I was schooled On the line 450 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:40,372 * And I was fazed On the line 451 00:30:40,406 --> 00:30:42,909 * And I was used On the line 452 00:30:42,942 --> 00:30:45,211 * And I was dazed On the line 453 00:30:45,244 --> 00:30:47,980 * Just had to split Off the line 454 00:30:48,014 --> 00:30:50,516 * 'Cause I was crazed Off the line 455 00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:53,319 * But I remember All the good times 456 00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:55,988 * Me 'n Miller enjoyed 457 00:30:56,022 --> 00:31:00,392 * Up and down the M1 In some luminous yo-yo toy 458 00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:03,062 * But the future has to change 459 00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:05,364 * And to change I've got to destroy 460 00:31:05,397 --> 00:31:08,067 * Oh look out Lennon Here I come 461 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,036 * Land ahoy-hoy-hoy 462 00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:14,606 * All American Alien Boy All American Alien Boy 463 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,445 * All American Alien Boy All American Alien Boy 464 00:31:19,478 --> 00:31:24,483 * All American Alien Boy All American Alien Boy * 465 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:39,498 Hello. Tonight's South Bank Shows are filled with American jazz band, Weather Report. 466 00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:46,105 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 467 00:31:46,138 --> 00:31:48,975 NARRATOR: Josef Zawinul was born in 1932. 468 00:31:49,008 --> 00:31:51,343 And he grew up in a village in Vienna woods. 469 00:31:51,377 --> 00:31:54,413 His music still draws on his memories in Austria. 470 00:31:54,446 --> 00:31:57,984 There was a guy, he played the piano and he played something, uh... 471 00:31:58,017 --> 00:32:01,153 I never heard even the name... Jazz. 472 00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:03,289 But there was something about the name jazz... 473 00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,424 And I was kind of ego tripping on this. 474 00:32:05,457 --> 00:32:08,260 You know, I said, J-A-Z-Z, 475 00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:13,032 somehow I saw, I saw my name in there. 476 00:32:13,065 --> 00:32:15,134 NARRATOR: Zawinul began with Wayne Shorter 477 00:32:15,167 --> 00:32:17,703 in Miles Davis' great band of 1969. 478 00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:20,139 At that time, Davis was gathering a number 479 00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:21,974 of the most talented young musicians around him. 480 00:32:22,008 --> 00:32:26,545 Men like John McLaughlin, Herbie Hancock, Tony Williams and Chick Corea. 481 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:30,682 Together, they were forging a completely new kind of electronic jazz. 482 00:32:32,651 --> 00:32:36,155 In getting into the 1970s, 483 00:32:36,188 --> 00:32:40,292 and we knew there was a hell of a change happening, 484 00:32:40,326 --> 00:32:43,029 and that we would be somehow responsible for it. 485 00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:51,070 When we went to Florida, we were leaving a theater and walking down a street. 486 00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:54,473 Someone from Florida walking with us said, 487 00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:59,745 "The guy Jaco is right behind you, he's right behind you." 488 00:33:01,047 --> 00:33:03,015 Jaco brought his album 489 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:05,784 and he'll throw it as a Frisbee to Joe... 490 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:08,154 And say, "Hey Joe, check this out! Ba!" 491 00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:12,624 You know, throw it like that. And Joe, um, got it. 492 00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:15,194 Then he said, "By the way, I wanna introduced myself", 493 00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:18,064 "My name is John Francis Pastorius III, 494 00:33:18,097 --> 00:33:20,699 I'm the greatest bass player in the world." 495 00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:24,403 And I said, "Get the fuck outta here." 496 00:33:24,436 --> 00:33:26,638 I mean, that's the way I said it. 497 00:33:28,574 --> 00:33:31,443 That evening after we finished playing, 498 00:33:31,477 --> 00:33:33,679 I can hear music coming out of a room, 499 00:33:33,712 --> 00:33:36,648 I kinda stop, and it's Joe's room. 500 00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:39,185 You know, I peep in and I... I didn't see Jaco, 501 00:33:39,218 --> 00:33:43,155 I saw his back, his back was to the door, but I could hear this recording and I go, 502 00:33:43,189 --> 00:33:46,458 "Wow, who's that?" you know? So Joe said, 503 00:33:46,492 --> 00:33:51,230 "Come in, come in. I want you to meet this guy. He's a bad motherfucker." 504 00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:57,336 So he introduced me to Jaco and listened to the record. It was incredible. 505 00:33:57,369 --> 00:34:00,472 I started putting two and two together, you know? [LAUGHING] 506 00:34:00,506 --> 00:34:03,375 Here's this phenomenal bass player Joe's interested in, 507 00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:05,777 what are my chances of my being around much longer? 508 00:34:05,811 --> 00:34:11,083 So I just kind of went for the other gig and just worked out perfect. 509 00:34:12,651 --> 00:34:16,455 All of a sudden, here come the news, Alphonse Johnson, 510 00:34:16,488 --> 00:34:18,790 gonna quit the band because he's gonna make 511 00:34:18,824 --> 00:34:21,527 George Duke and Billy Cobham, a band. 512 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,530 It was July, 1975 exactly. 513 00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:28,167 We just came back from Boston, Cannonball Adderley had died. 514 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,502 It was a very hard thing for me. 515 00:34:30,536 --> 00:34:33,305 And I wrote a song which is called, Cannonball. 516 00:34:33,339 --> 00:34:35,741 I had this little melody in the beginning, 517 00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:40,179 which I thought this guy's tone would be perfect for this kind of thing, you know? 518 00:34:40,212 --> 00:34:42,748 So we started writing this particular tune. 519 00:34:42,781 --> 00:34:46,552 And in the beginning, he was busy, you know? 520 00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,554 So I just stopped the band for a minute 521 00:34:48,587 --> 00:34:52,424 and I said, "You know what? We already know you can play." 522 00:34:52,458 --> 00:34:57,129 "Forget about that. You are here with us now, you know better now. 523 00:34:57,163 --> 00:34:59,631 You have a beautiful tone, use that tone." 524 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:03,369 And what happened at that point is on the record. 525 00:35:04,503 --> 00:35:10,509 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 526 00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:27,826 Joe told me he wanted that Florida sound on Cannonball. 527 00:35:27,859 --> 00:35:31,830 - That Florida sound. - Yeah. 528 00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:38,704 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 529 00:35:40,539 --> 00:35:43,242 For Wayne and me, he was the third. 530 00:35:43,275 --> 00:35:45,211 You know if you have a triangle, 531 00:35:45,244 --> 00:35:48,614 this was three forceful personalities. 532 00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:53,485 Totally different and nobody giving an inch. 533 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:57,389 Joe, when we finished that tune, he called his wife. 534 00:35:57,423 --> 00:36:02,394 "Maxine, Maxine, please tell so and so to cook tonight, 535 00:36:02,428 --> 00:36:05,264 "blah, blah, bring a lot of food and wine and this and that. 536 00:36:05,297 --> 00:36:07,899 "We're having a banquet tonight because we're gonna celebrate. 537 00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:09,901 A new guy has come, a genius." 538 00:36:09,935 --> 00:36:15,741 And Jaco right there told Joe, "I need to talk to the managers of Weather Report." 539 00:36:15,774 --> 00:36:18,210 And Jaco talked to them, 540 00:36:18,244 --> 00:36:23,349 "Okay, I wanna know if I can put one song in the album?" 541 00:36:23,382 --> 00:36:25,551 And they laugh at him. 542 00:36:25,584 --> 00:36:28,287 They guys were telling him on the phone, they said, 543 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,656 "Hey Weather Report out of recording... 544 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:32,624 Those are the best writers in the whole world!" 545 00:36:32,658 --> 00:36:37,329 I said, "That's right but I want to put a tune in there." 546 00:36:37,363 --> 00:36:40,932 And that's uh... [VOCALIZING] 547 00:36:44,903 --> 00:36:51,910 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 548 00:36:58,617 --> 00:37:01,019 He knew how serious it is 549 00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:03,522 to leave a piece of your soul 550 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:05,791 in a recording 'cause it's gonna stay there forever. 551 00:37:12,898 --> 00:37:17,269 It's not about bass playing. He was being a storyteller. 552 00:37:17,303 --> 00:37:20,539 We said we played music with hills and valleys 553 00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:23,809 and streams and confrontations. 554 00:37:28,314 --> 00:37:31,983 People think that playing jazz is just a couple of chords, you know. 555 00:37:32,017 --> 00:37:34,019 They call Earth, Wind and Fire jazz, 556 00:37:34,052 --> 00:37:36,322 and they call Kenny, cheap jazz. 557 00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:38,290 It's not, it's deeper than that. 558 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:48,900 Jazz is a challenge to improvise and be in the moment. 559 00:37:48,934 --> 00:37:51,837 That one moment equals eternity. 560 00:37:55,374 --> 00:37:58,777 The sound of the music that is produced 561 00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:02,614 is really the greatness of the human being. 562 00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:10,989 [BASS MUSIC PLAYING] 563 00:38:26,372 --> 00:38:32,344 [APPLAUDING] 564 00:38:32,378 --> 00:38:35,714 [CLAPPING AND WHISTLING] 565 00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:41,687 We were just new, it was fresh, there was nothing like it. 566 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,023 You know, and we were all like, "Man, Jaco, man! It was like..." 567 00:38:45,056 --> 00:38:48,794 It's like going to a game and you're rooting for, you know, Michael Jordan. 568 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:54,400 You know, it's impossible or difficult not to like someone who 569 00:38:54,433 --> 00:38:57,536 uh, we all identify with at that point. 570 00:38:57,569 --> 00:38:58,970 You know, we're all rooting for him. 571 00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:03,842 It pushed the envelope. It pushed you to do your best. 572 00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:09,681 And I think, uh, in doing that, it helped push that whole era 573 00:39:09,715 --> 00:39:12,784 in reaching and there was no boundaries. 574 00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:16,522 It was like, "Wow, if he could do that, then maybe I can do this." 575 00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:17,889 I'm gonna take you there, baby. Got ya! 576 00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:23,529 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 577 00:39:23,562 --> 00:39:28,567 There was a musical movement going on. And we were in it. 578 00:39:29,968 --> 00:39:32,471 So google it, baby. [GIGGLES] 579 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:40,512 [BASS PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] 580 00:39:43,915 --> 00:39:47,719 A lot of promotion, sold out shows across the country. 581 00:39:47,753 --> 00:39:50,622 Uh, people going crazy. It was really exciting. 582 00:39:52,023 --> 00:39:54,693 'Cause prior to that, that didn't exist. 583 00:39:54,726 --> 00:39:59,631 You know, rock was rock and jazz was jazz, there wasn't a lot of fusion going on. 584 00:40:01,933 --> 00:40:08,006 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 585 00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:12,844 Back then, you went to see Van Halen 586 00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:15,547 and then you would go see Jaco Pastorius 587 00:40:15,581 --> 00:40:18,550 with the Weather Report or Stanley Clark with Weather Returned Forever. 588 00:40:18,584 --> 00:40:21,853 It was the outrageous virtuosity. 589 00:40:21,887 --> 00:40:28,059 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 590 00:40:28,093 --> 00:40:31,730 [VOCALIZING] You know, like playing all this crazy shit. 591 00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:33,632 And I was a kid and I was just like, 592 00:40:33,665 --> 00:40:37,068 "This guy is the coolest motherfucker that ever lived!" 593 00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:40,572 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 594 00:40:40,606 --> 00:40:43,509 The so called jazz police were having fits. 595 00:40:43,542 --> 00:40:46,945 These same people that were going to Ozzy Osbourne concerts, 596 00:40:46,978 --> 00:40:50,048 were now coming to see Returned Forever and Weather Report. 597 00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:54,019 And you go out there and you play everything at 99 miles an hour, 598 00:40:54,052 --> 00:40:56,922 as loud and as fast as you can. 599 00:40:56,955 --> 00:41:03,895 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 600 00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:16,742 [BASS DRUMS MUSIC PLAYING] 601 00:41:19,545 --> 00:41:23,715 [BASS PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] 602 00:41:23,749 --> 00:41:28,554 [BASS SAXOPHONE MUSIC PLAYING] 603 00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:39,264 The band hired me pretty much, just purely on the strength of Jaco's recommendation. 604 00:41:39,297 --> 00:41:44,002 Jaco and I were half the age of Joe and Wayne. 605 00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:46,638 We were the kids and we were the elders. 606 00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:52,143 And yet Joe and Jaco would compete like brothers. 607 00:41:52,177 --> 00:41:57,616 He could go toe to toe with Zawinul where anyone else would fear to tread. 608 00:41:58,950 --> 00:42:05,290 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 609 00:42:06,191 --> 00:42:11,997 [APPLAUDING] 610 00:42:14,666 --> 00:42:18,069 - Thank you. - [CHEERING] 611 00:42:18,103 --> 00:42:22,140 - How you doing? - [CHEERING] 612 00:42:22,173 --> 00:42:26,812 - That's Peter Erskine! - [APPLAUDING] 613 00:42:26,845 --> 00:42:29,948 - Jaco Pastorius! - [APPLAUDING] 614 00:42:29,981 --> 00:42:32,984 - Joseph Zawinul! - [APPLAUDING] 615 00:42:33,018 --> 00:42:35,053 Joe Zawinul would come and say, 616 00:42:35,086 --> 00:42:38,657 "Oh man, we are the greatest band in the world, man, you know. 617 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:41,927 "I mean, like please, everybody's playing this stuff, 618 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,597 but we play it the real deal, we play good stuff." 619 00:42:45,631 --> 00:42:49,067 And Jaco considered himself the greatest bass player in the world. 620 00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:52,671 So he had the greatest bass player in the world getting the greatest band in the world. 621 00:42:52,704 --> 00:42:55,273 Oh man, those two... 622 00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:59,044 were like two cobras. 623 00:42:59,077 --> 00:43:03,849 Two cobras in a very small cage, 624 00:43:03,882 --> 00:43:08,253 with no where to go but they have to make this relationship work. 625 00:43:08,286 --> 00:43:11,156 That's what it was like watching them on stage. 626 00:43:11,189 --> 00:43:14,392 And I can remember, Zawinul with his speed 627 00:43:14,425 --> 00:43:19,898 and in between the cracks, there would be Jaco with something sick. 628 00:43:19,931 --> 00:43:26,938 - [PLAYING THE PIANO] - [PLAYING THE BASS GUITAR] 629 00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:32,277 And I remember sitting there, hearing this conversation come in and out, 630 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:36,247 that's when I realized, "Man, this is like a boxing match." 631 00:43:40,886 --> 00:43:45,123 It would always surprise me when I'd hear him criticize Jaco. 632 00:43:45,156 --> 00:43:49,194 "You know, Jaco sounds like a trombone sometimes. 633 00:43:49,227 --> 00:43:53,198 You know, teen talents, this is not really a Weather Report song." 634 00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:56,534 Jaco hated that. 635 00:43:56,567 --> 00:43:58,904 He didn't want to hang around for any of that so he would disappear. 636 00:44:00,872 --> 00:44:03,842 Jaco respected his jazz elders. 637 00:44:03,875 --> 00:44:09,014 And yet, he wasn't above ruffling their feathers. 638 00:44:09,047 --> 00:44:11,817 In these photos, you can see Wayne in the background. 639 00:44:11,850 --> 00:44:14,185 He was drinking, had his cigarette, he's just watching, 640 00:44:14,219 --> 00:44:19,390 Wayne never said anything, Joe was doing all the talking. 641 00:44:19,424 --> 00:44:23,762 Jaco used to say, me and Frank Sinatra, we're Sagittarians. 642 00:44:23,795 --> 00:44:28,133 I'm a Sag, he's a Sag. [CHUCKLING] 643 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:32,303 He met my mother and said, "You're a Sag!" 644 00:44:32,337 --> 00:44:34,439 My mother said, "I'm a Sag, too!" 645 00:44:34,472 --> 00:44:40,378 And she always talked about courage and guts to get through the damn day and everything. 646 00:44:40,411 --> 00:44:44,916 And, um, she would say this about Jaco, "That child", she'll call him "that child". 647 00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:51,189 "That child", she said, "that child, he knows what he's talking about." 648 00:44:51,222 --> 00:44:55,226 Then she'll say, "He's mighty wild though, ain't he?" 649 00:44:55,260 --> 00:45:01,366 His identity in music and theater was coming out. 650 00:45:01,399 --> 00:45:06,104 That's what Jaco had, a history, not just a library but a history, 651 00:45:06,137 --> 00:45:11,777 of being open and not shutting out many kinds of music. 652 00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:14,813 The bass almost became incidental. 653 00:45:19,851 --> 00:45:26,157 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 654 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:42,173 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 655 00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:03,829 [APPLAUDING] 656 00:46:03,862 --> 00:46:10,301 [BASS TEMPO INCREASES] 657 00:46:10,335 --> 00:46:11,536 [THUD] 658 00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:15,974 [APPLAUDING AND CLAPPING] 659 00:46:16,007 --> 00:46:20,946 [CHEERING AND WHISTLING] 660 00:46:40,031 --> 00:46:43,601 For this next song, I have to go into a rather funny tune. 661 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:46,838 This is a song about a daydreamer. 662 00:46:46,872 --> 00:46:51,910 And daydreaming can get you into a lot of difficulties sometimes, 663 00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:54,980 if not used properly. 664 00:46:55,013 --> 00:46:59,350 [GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 665 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,322 [JOAN SINGING] 666 00:47:04,355 --> 00:47:10,128 It took me a long time to find a rhythm section that could play my music. 667 00:47:10,161 --> 00:47:11,897 So I went through a lot of players, 668 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:13,431 I'll put them on the record and take them off. 669 00:47:13,464 --> 00:47:16,601 So it was until my sixth album, 670 00:47:16,634 --> 00:47:21,139 that one of the guys in this section, Ruskunkel, the drummer said to me, 671 00:47:21,172 --> 00:47:26,211 "Joannie, you know, you're gonna have to play with jazz musicians." 672 00:47:26,244 --> 00:47:28,546 I heard this guy, he played what he was gonna play 673 00:47:28,579 --> 00:47:31,149 and I said, "Well, could you play this note?" 674 00:47:31,182 --> 00:47:34,119 And he went, "I'm not playing that. That's not the route of the chord." 675 00:47:34,152 --> 00:47:36,955 I said, "Well, it will be when you play it. I mean..." 676 00:47:36,988 --> 00:47:39,925 And he rebelled on another issue and finally he said, 677 00:47:39,958 --> 00:47:43,361 "There's this really weird bass player in Florida 678 00:47:43,394 --> 00:47:46,231 you'd probably like him." 679 00:47:46,264 --> 00:47:48,900 I said, "Well, would he play these things I'm asking you?" 680 00:47:48,934 --> 00:47:52,237 "He's already doing that weird stuff." Right? 681 00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:55,173 So I sent for Jaco, excited on seeing him. 682 00:47:56,341 --> 00:48:03,014 [SERENE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 683 00:48:17,028 --> 00:48:20,331 * I'm traveling in some vehicle 684 00:48:23,234 --> 00:48:27,438 * I'm sitting in some cafe 685 00:48:27,472 --> 00:48:31,576 * A defector From the petty wars 686 00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:34,345 * That shell shock love away... 687 00:48:34,379 --> 00:48:37,515 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 688 00:48:37,548 --> 00:48:40,118 I'd set up this architecture in me, 689 00:48:40,151 --> 00:48:43,554 he just kind of instinctively, played figuratively... 690 00:48:43,588 --> 00:48:48,960 You know, you're inviting another painter to join you on your canvas. 691 00:48:48,994 --> 00:48:50,661 It's very conversational. 692 00:48:50,695 --> 00:48:52,197 * It's just as natural 693 00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:57,302 * As the weather in this moody sky today 694 00:49:00,238 --> 00:49:05,443 * In our possessive coupling 695 00:49:05,476 --> 00:49:10,281 * So much could not be expressed * 696 00:49:10,315 --> 00:49:14,285 Jaco came into work one night and he said, "Look at my neck." 697 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,324 And I looked at it and on this side, there was a bruise and a redness 698 00:49:19,357 --> 00:49:25,363 and a hollow like that... It looked like it had been made by a pipe. 699 00:49:25,396 --> 00:49:29,334 And he was driving home the night before from the studio, 700 00:49:29,367 --> 00:49:31,102 straight up Sunset Boulevard 701 00:49:31,136 --> 00:49:33,338 to this motel where he was staying. 702 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,541 And the cops pulled him over. 703 00:49:36,574 --> 00:49:41,346 And I don't know what he said to that cop, but the next thing he knew, 704 00:49:41,379 --> 00:49:45,083 the cop had his pistol shoved into his throat. 705 00:49:45,116 --> 00:49:50,321 You know, deeply because the impression of it was still there 24 hours later. 706 00:49:50,355 --> 00:49:52,590 Or 20 hours later. 707 00:49:52,623 --> 00:49:56,027 And while the cop had that pistol at his throat, 708 00:49:56,061 --> 00:49:59,230 he said I said to myself, "It's not my time to die." 709 00:50:01,699 --> 00:50:07,805 And he apparently seemed to know when his time to die was. 710 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:11,776 I mean, this was side to him that not many people knew about. 711 00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:16,114 I remember he took me up to the bar in Keio Plaza to have a drink. 712 00:50:16,147 --> 00:50:20,685 And so we get the Sake and we have a drink and he starts crying. 713 00:50:20,718 --> 00:50:24,389 And I said, "Well, what's wrong? What's wrong, man?" 714 00:50:24,422 --> 00:50:29,127 And he says, "Well, listen, I'm gonna die when I turn 34." 715 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,163 "And I would like you to look after my babies." 716 00:50:33,731 --> 00:50:36,501 So I said, "You got it. You got it." 717 00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:40,071 Sometimes you see things you don't wanna know. 718 00:50:40,105 --> 00:50:44,109 Especially about yourself. And this was one of those times for Jaco. 719 00:50:49,147 --> 00:50:56,121 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 720 00:50:56,154 --> 00:50:59,224 [CHILDREN LAUGHING] 721 00:51:27,285 --> 00:51:32,223 MARY: My vision of my dad in my mind's eye always goes to that period. 722 00:51:34,492 --> 00:51:39,830 He has no shirt on, he's in corduroy cut-off Levi shorts 723 00:51:39,864 --> 00:51:43,768 and he's barefoot and his hair's long and he's tan. 724 00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:54,779 He was so young when I was born and he wasn't famous yet. 725 00:51:54,812 --> 00:52:00,351 If he had gigs, you know, outside Calypso bars, whatever, we weren't so... 726 00:52:00,385 --> 00:52:02,320 I had him there every day. 727 00:52:04,222 --> 00:52:06,757 - He would point out, you know, bird sounds... -[BIRDS CHIRPING] 728 00:52:06,791 --> 00:52:10,195 - Wind blowing through leaves or chimes. -[CHIMES TINKLING] 729 00:52:10,228 --> 00:52:12,497 He heard music in everything. 730 00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:17,735 [SEAGULLS SQUAWKING] 731 00:52:22,307 --> 00:52:25,743 It's a gift and I mean, it's a burden, too. 732 00:52:28,446 --> 00:52:32,283 My father was my hero. And still is my hero. 733 00:52:32,317 --> 00:52:36,153 You know, every dad should be their son's hero. 734 00:52:38,323 --> 00:52:40,625 He bought like a Yamaha, what was it? 750? 735 00:52:40,658 --> 00:52:44,329 -[ENGINE REVVING] - And we'll just jump on and ride all the way up the coast. 736 00:52:44,362 --> 00:52:46,731 [ENGINE REVVING] 737 00:52:46,764 --> 00:52:48,799 I would never tell him, I'm scared. 738 00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:50,000 And I'll be holding on, terrified, 739 00:52:50,034 --> 00:52:53,338 but holding on, that's what I miss the most. 740 00:52:53,371 --> 00:52:55,606 [ENGINE REVVING] 741 00:53:00,345 --> 00:53:02,213 I mean, he was a great dad, man. 742 00:53:02,247 --> 00:53:06,551 I mean, but I know he wanted to be there more. 743 00:53:08,819 --> 00:53:15,593 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 744 00:53:24,635 --> 00:53:28,439 You know, I remember postcards he'll always send to John and Mary. 745 00:53:28,473 --> 00:53:32,477 Every postcard, he'll either point out the historical fact, 746 00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:36,381 or he'll post a question, get the kids thinking. 747 00:53:36,414 --> 00:53:38,483 Almost every morning, without fail. 748 00:53:38,516 --> 00:53:40,418 He knows his important part of the routine 749 00:53:40,451 --> 00:53:42,887 when we travel, to find postcards 750 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,290 to get stamps for those postcards. 751 00:53:47,024 --> 00:53:50,495 Any city we went to, no matter how tired we were, 752 00:53:50,528 --> 00:53:52,797 we were gonna hit the streets, we were gonna see 753 00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:57,268 the best that Florence or Rome or Milan had to offer. 754 00:53:57,302 --> 00:54:00,305 Venice... "Come on, let's ride in the gondolas." 755 00:54:00,338 --> 00:54:04,675 "Let's go on the canals." When are we gonna get a chance to do that? 756 00:54:04,709 --> 00:54:07,578 Um, we had fun. 757 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,950 I never saw him on those first tours 758 00:54:12,983 --> 00:54:16,587 act high or drunk, it was all good times. 759 00:54:18,489 --> 00:54:21,959 Um, but it was present. 760 00:54:21,992 --> 00:54:25,630 He was like a kid, you know, he would do things, 761 00:54:25,663 --> 00:54:30,501 like hide on the bus while it's moving. 762 00:54:30,535 --> 00:54:35,506 And Zawinul will be looking for him for 30 minutes and nobody could find him. 763 00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:39,844 And then he would give up and then Jaco would come out laughing. 764 00:54:39,877 --> 00:54:43,681 And these are the kind of things he would do, just very playful. 765 00:54:43,714 --> 00:54:45,983 Going on stage, "No prisoners!" 766 00:54:46,016 --> 00:54:49,687 was the last thing you would hear him say. "No prisoners!" 767 00:54:50,588 --> 00:54:56,093 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 768 00:54:56,126 --> 00:55:00,565 [ENGINE WHIRRING] 769 00:55:00,598 --> 00:55:03,834 KRIS KRISTOFFERSON: March, 1979, 200 singers, 770 00:55:03,868 --> 00:55:06,937 musicians and technicians and 70 tonnes of equipment 771 00:55:06,971 --> 00:55:11,709 to arrive at Jose Marti airport, Havana for the Havana jam. 772 00:55:13,378 --> 00:55:15,112 Okay, Havana here we are. 773 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:18,416 It's really happening for the first time ever. 774 00:55:18,449 --> 00:55:20,050 Looking out the window of this car, 775 00:55:20,084 --> 00:55:24,589 I'm feeling more like Christopher Columbus than Kris Kristofferson. 776 00:55:24,622 --> 00:55:27,725 The Havana Jam, Kris Kristofferson, 777 00:55:27,758 --> 00:55:33,498 Rita Coolidge, Stephen Stills, Billy Joel... It was odd. 778 00:55:33,531 --> 00:55:36,867 Billy Joel and Jaco giving each other attitude. 779 00:55:36,901 --> 00:55:41,972 With all the bands kind of there to support each other, yet were dissing each other. 780 00:55:42,006 --> 00:55:45,443 It's gonna be a face to face confrontation between people who 781 00:55:45,476 --> 00:55:49,447 had best only heard of each other over 90 miles of Caribbean water. 782 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,882 For three nights, the stage of the Karl Marx Theater 783 00:55:51,916 --> 00:55:54,385 here in Havana, Cuba will be shared by American 784 00:55:54,419 --> 00:55:57,822 and Cuban musicians in a unique cultural exchange. 785 00:55:57,855 --> 00:56:00,825 First of its kind since political, economic 786 00:56:00,858 --> 00:56:04,595 and philosophical differences separated our country 20 years ago. 787 00:56:04,629 --> 00:56:06,564 [APPLAUDING] 788 00:56:06,597 --> 00:56:10,601 That distinctive pulse at the heart of Cuban music is an African heartbeat. 789 00:56:10,635 --> 00:56:14,104 I think you'll hear it in the work of the astonishing Tata Guines. 790 00:56:14,138 --> 00:56:17,508 [CHEERING AND WHISTLING] 791 00:56:17,542 --> 00:56:23,714 [TAPPING ON THE PERCUSSION DRUMS] 792 00:56:32,590 --> 00:56:38,162 [TAPPING ON THE PERCUSSION DRUMS] 793 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,471 Jaco was like a kid getting the autograph of Tata Guines. 794 00:56:50,808 --> 00:56:57,014 Many of the patterns that Jaco played on the bass were really Congo patterns. 795 00:56:57,047 --> 00:57:02,587 You know, Jaco's whole Florida beat, his whole Caribbean thing, it's that. 796 00:57:02,620 --> 00:57:06,090 [TAPPING ON THE PERCUSSION DRUMS] 797 00:57:06,123 --> 00:57:10,895 Coincidentally, I mean, the Havana Jam was the first sign of things going wrong. 798 00:57:13,598 --> 00:57:15,800 Jaco got into a thing 799 00:57:15,833 --> 00:57:19,003 with one of the musicians who was the Fania All-Stars. 800 00:57:19,036 --> 00:57:21,972 I think these guys were also from Puerto Rico. 801 00:57:22,006 --> 00:57:27,144 And I don't know if there was some Cuban, Puerto Rican musical dynamic, 802 00:57:27,177 --> 00:57:34,051 but the guy definitely was giving Jaco short shrift. 803 00:57:34,819 --> 00:57:39,056 I mean, Jaco almost got into a fist fight. I think Joe had to break it up. 804 00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:42,960 And then Jaco lost face and I think, uh, 805 00:57:42,993 --> 00:57:47,898 part of that mechanism of his losing face and this whole humiliation thing, 806 00:57:47,932 --> 00:57:51,035 and it played out and This Trio of Doom, 807 00:57:51,068 --> 00:57:55,039 which had tremendously successful rehearsals in New York. 808 00:57:55,072 --> 00:57:58,509 [BASS MUSIC PLAYING] 809 00:57:58,543 --> 00:58:03,881 It was the buzz talk of the whole trip, The Trio of Doom. 810 00:58:03,914 --> 00:58:08,152 The Jazz, rock, whatever you want to call it were equivalent to the three tenors. 811 00:58:08,185 --> 00:58:10,721 [CHEERING] 812 00:58:10,755 --> 00:58:14,625 Tonight, we have visiting Tropicana of a group of American artists... 813 00:58:14,659 --> 00:58:16,827 It could have been great. 814 00:58:16,861 --> 00:58:22,232 But once Jaco kind of went into his little self-destruct mode, 815 00:58:24,268 --> 00:58:28,138 which unfortunately occurred during their set. 816 00:58:28,172 --> 00:58:31,241 The concert was pretty much considered a disaster. 817 00:58:31,275 --> 00:58:34,779 I mean, Jaco was just not himself. 818 00:58:35,713 --> 00:58:37,748 Playing Portrait of Tracy, 819 00:58:37,782 --> 00:58:40,951 and turning the bass up really loud, just not playing the tunes. 820 00:58:42,086 --> 00:58:44,622 Tony never forgave him. 821 00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:49,193 And it was an odd pattern. I mean, whenever Jaco would lose face somehow, 822 00:58:49,226 --> 00:58:53,063 there would be this odd acting out. 823 00:58:53,097 --> 00:58:55,866 I don't know what the dynamics are, you know. 824 00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:59,136 My dad was psychiatrist and he tried to help Jaco. 825 00:58:59,169 --> 00:59:02,206 Maybe my father didn't pass along too much 826 00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:04,875 of that wisdom to me but... 827 00:59:04,909 --> 00:59:08,779 You know, there was some complicated stuff going on. 828 00:59:09,847 --> 00:59:15,552 [APPLAUDING] 829 00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:22,593 [DRUMS BEATING] 830 00:59:23,894 --> 00:59:30,300 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 831 00:59:31,936 --> 00:59:34,338 * Watching the dry cleaner Do it 832 00:59:34,371 --> 00:59:36,741 * Like Midas In a polyester suit 833 00:59:36,774 --> 00:59:39,376 * It's all luck! It's just luck! 834 00:59:39,409 --> 00:59:43,080 * You get a little lucky And you make a little money! * 835 00:59:43,113 --> 00:59:49,386 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 836 00:59:49,419 --> 00:59:54,959 He played in Santa Barbara. Jaco came out on tour. He came late for rehearsals, 837 00:59:54,992 --> 00:59:59,997 shoved my mike off the center, widened his space, powdered the floor, 838 01:00:00,030 --> 01:00:04,068 and you know, took long solos where he danced around a lot. 839 01:00:04,101 --> 01:00:10,307 [BASS DRUMS MUSIC PLAYING] 840 01:00:10,340 --> 01:00:16,346 [BASS SAXOPHONE PLAYING] 841 01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:20,851 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 842 01:00:20,885 --> 01:00:23,654 [APPLAUDING] 843 01:00:23,688 --> 01:00:26,056 [LAUGHING] 844 01:00:26,090 --> 01:00:29,026 On bass, Jaco Pastorius! 845 01:00:29,059 --> 01:00:33,063 [CLAPPING AND CHEERING] 846 01:00:33,097 --> 01:00:39,403 In Santa Barbara where we filmed, his wife and his mother showed up. 847 01:00:39,436 --> 01:00:42,707 I don't know what those women did to him in the back room... [LAUGHING] 848 01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:47,812 But it was a good thing because when he came out that night and took his solo, 849 01:00:47,845 --> 01:00:51,448 he opened up by quoting, I was High and Mighty. 850 01:00:51,481 --> 01:00:56,854 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 851 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,108 It was starting to fall apart. 852 01:01:18,142 --> 01:01:22,279 Jaco and the kids and Tracy and fame, and all that. 853 01:01:22,312 --> 01:01:26,283 It was just you know, some things changing. 854 01:01:28,352 --> 01:01:35,292 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 855 01:01:41,298 --> 01:01:47,271 [APPLAUDING AND CLAPPING] 856 01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:55,279 Jaco took the fame hit. 857 01:01:57,447 --> 01:02:01,518 I can't imagine walking, you know, out or doing something, 858 01:02:01,551 --> 01:02:04,822 then all of a sudden, all these people congregate around you, 859 01:02:04,855 --> 01:02:07,091 and wanna know you and talk to you 860 01:02:07,124 --> 01:02:09,927 and be part of you know, what's going on. 861 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,297 I just... It frightens me. 862 01:02:13,330 --> 01:02:17,935 Suddenly, he was entering some kind of challenges that didn't exist before. 863 01:02:20,871 --> 01:02:24,775 Certainly, Tracy's relationship was home for him. 864 01:02:24,809 --> 01:02:27,177 And it pained him and it saddened him that 865 01:02:27,211 --> 01:02:31,448 that relationship ended, you know. 866 01:02:31,481 --> 01:02:37,487 I think that was a huge loss for him. 867 01:02:37,521 --> 01:02:44,361 You know, failure in the life of a guy who had experienced so much triumph. 868 01:02:46,563 --> 01:02:51,068 [DRUMS BEATING] 869 01:02:51,101 --> 01:02:58,042 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 870 01:02:58,075 --> 01:03:01,545 He was conveying his inner self on his canvas. 871 01:03:01,578 --> 01:03:04,448 Everything came out on the instrument 872 01:03:04,481 --> 01:03:07,151 as if he was on the psychiatrist couch 873 01:03:07,184 --> 01:03:10,354 and revealed everything about who he was. 874 01:03:10,387 --> 01:03:17,394 [INCREASED THE TEMPO OF THE BEAT] 875 01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:19,156 [LOUD CHEERING] 876 01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:25,129 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 877 01:04:49,053 --> 01:04:52,522 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 878 01:05:00,064 --> 01:05:01,531 [MUSIC STOPS] 879 01:05:03,133 --> 01:05:08,672 [APPLAUDING AND CLAPPING] 880 01:05:08,705 --> 01:05:12,042 [CHEERING AND WHISTLING] 881 01:05:18,248 --> 01:05:22,019 - [CHILDREN CHATTERING] - [SEAGULLS SQUAWKING] 882 01:05:22,052 --> 01:05:24,688 CONRAD: So tell me, what happened with that little tour with Johnny in the summer? 883 01:05:24,721 --> 01:05:28,258 Did it open up any new things for you? 884 01:05:28,292 --> 01:05:32,963 JACO: No. No, I'm just doing my own thing, you know. 885 01:05:32,997 --> 01:05:36,233 CONRAD: No, I mean... But have you got a project happening? 886 01:05:36,266 --> 01:05:40,670 JACO: I don't know, you know, 'cause, I mean, I'm still just the side man, you know? 887 01:05:40,704 --> 01:05:43,107 CONRAD: Right. 888 01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:45,542 CONRAD: So is Epic, are you hanging it up with Epic 889 01:05:45,575 --> 01:05:47,677 or are you gonna try to renegotiate with them? 890 01:05:47,711 --> 01:05:50,580 JACO: Oh, they're such assholes, man, you know, like uh... 891 01:05:50,614 --> 01:05:53,550 CONRAD: Do have a contract where they've got an option on your next record? 892 01:05:53,583 --> 01:05:57,421 JACO: Yeah, but that don't matter to me, you know? [LAUGHING] 893 01:05:57,454 --> 01:05:59,323 All this legal shit in the record business 894 01:05:59,356 --> 01:06:02,526 has got to change because it's 100 percent rip off. 895 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,062 I will never put up with any of that shit. 896 01:06:05,095 --> 01:06:07,998 I will never get ripped off like that. 897 01:06:08,032 --> 01:06:12,469 Because I don't care. I'll just come home and play baseball all day. 898 01:06:12,502 --> 01:06:15,105 -[LAUGHING] - Which I do when I'm home, you know what I mean? 899 01:06:15,139 --> 01:06:18,708 And play basketball and Frisbee and just have fun, you know? 900 01:06:20,377 --> 01:06:24,414 The key issues in his life then were family upheaval. 901 01:06:24,448 --> 01:06:26,783 Big changes in family. 902 01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:30,054 And also, 903 01:06:30,087 --> 01:06:35,425 dissatisfaction with his established work. 904 01:06:35,459 --> 01:06:42,432 What was on record so far for him, left him dissatisfied. 905 01:06:42,466 --> 01:06:46,703 He had married Ingrid and moved up to Deerfield beach. 906 01:06:49,706 --> 01:06:52,442 We would get together at 4:00 a.m. 907 01:06:52,476 --> 01:06:56,646 And he wanted to be recording every morning when the sun came up. 908 01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:01,218 He obviously had compositional ideas that were... 909 01:07:01,251 --> 01:07:04,588 There's a lot of hints of those on the first record. 910 01:07:04,621 --> 01:07:08,658 Okonkole y Trompa, it's just a masterpiece. 911 01:07:08,692 --> 01:07:10,760 It's almost classical music. 912 01:07:16,633 --> 01:07:20,637 He had things to show people that they'd never heard before. 913 01:07:22,772 --> 01:07:25,742 They were in his head for quite a while. 914 01:07:27,444 --> 01:07:30,147 People realized that this is... 915 01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:32,749 We don't know what this is. 916 01:07:34,251 --> 01:07:35,619 Show us. 917 01:07:37,221 --> 01:07:43,260 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 918 01:08:05,682 --> 01:08:08,485 I mean, there was a buzz on Jaco, of course. 919 01:08:08,518 --> 01:08:11,755 Here's a guy that could write, that could arrange, that could play. 920 01:08:11,788 --> 01:08:13,523 He was a collaborator. 921 01:08:13,557 --> 01:08:18,428 It was apparent to some of us that this guy was really something special. 922 01:08:18,462 --> 01:08:20,096 And in addition to being something special 923 01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:23,833 had the potential really, you know, to break through and cross over. 924 01:08:23,867 --> 01:08:28,538 We set out on, really kind of a quest to get Jaco to come to Warner Brothers. 925 01:08:28,572 --> 01:08:31,808 It was a start level deal, make no mistake about it. 926 01:08:31,841 --> 01:08:34,744 And because the record business is a business, 927 01:08:34,778 --> 01:08:38,382 expectations, you know, tend to follow the deal. 928 01:08:38,415 --> 01:08:44,754 If you sign an act for $75,000, your expectations, you know, are at one level, 929 01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:47,424 if you sign an act for four times that... 930 01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:53,230 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 931 01:09:05,642 --> 01:09:09,513 He said, "You know what dub is?" 932 01:09:09,546 --> 01:09:16,520 And I said, "I believe I do. Yeah, I know, it's like the old reggae", 933 01:09:16,553 --> 01:09:19,356 the guy dropping the fader, talking over you..." 934 01:09:19,389 --> 01:09:21,425 He goes, "Yeah, it's gonna be a little different than that." 935 01:09:21,458 --> 01:09:26,796 He said, "We're not gonna let anybody hear anyone else's parts." 936 01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:30,767 Whatever happens, let's see if it fits." 937 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:35,405 It had a life of it's own. It really grew powerfully. 938 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:41,845 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 939 01:09:54,458 --> 01:09:58,295 It's very rare that any record has a piece on it like this. 940 01:09:58,328 --> 01:10:01,598 Pablo Picasso Guernica, Jaco Pastorius' Crisis. 941 01:10:01,631 --> 01:10:03,800 I mean, they are of the same cloth. 942 01:10:05,034 --> 01:10:10,874 [BASS GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING] 943 01:10:14,944 --> 01:10:17,481 He wanted to open the record with this. 944 01:10:17,514 --> 01:10:19,148 I mean, there are a lot of people at the company, 945 01:10:19,182 --> 01:10:21,418 if they'd heard this track, they'll just pull their hair out and said, 946 01:10:21,451 --> 01:10:22,752 "Wait a minute, we can't even have this. 947 01:10:22,786 --> 01:10:24,053 "This is crazy. It's a cacophony. 948 01:10:24,087 --> 01:10:26,990 It's a atonal. Nobody can follow it. It's scary." 949 01:10:27,023 --> 01:10:28,725 I'm shaking right now as I think about it. 950 01:10:28,758 --> 01:10:31,561 I was kind of scared of the idea of it opening the record. 951 01:10:31,595 --> 01:10:32,762 They pleaded with him. 952 01:10:32,796 --> 01:10:34,631 They said, "Any of it to him about that." 953 01:10:34,664 --> 01:10:37,367 "We can't get this album onto radio 954 01:10:37,401 --> 01:10:39,603 if that's the first track." 955 01:10:39,636 --> 01:10:42,739 I think it really made him very happy 956 01:10:42,772 --> 01:10:45,241 to think of this going on a record. 957 01:10:48,011 --> 01:10:51,381 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 958 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,055 I would say that he was venting. 959 01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:02,426 He was venting little bit of personal frustration. 960 01:11:03,627 --> 01:11:04,994 And then he realizes 961 01:11:05,028 --> 01:11:07,931 that it's the only way to start a record like this. 962 01:11:07,964 --> 01:11:09,733 You know, it's to make people 963 01:11:09,766 --> 01:11:11,801 wonder what's coming. 964 01:11:11,835 --> 01:11:15,539 And then what comes is so different. 965 01:11:15,572 --> 01:11:18,642 [PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] 966 01:11:49,138 --> 01:11:50,707 The Word of Mouth album 967 01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:53,943 was so revealing of Jaco as a person. 968 01:11:53,977 --> 01:11:56,079 It was almost 969 01:11:56,112 --> 01:12:00,016 embarrassing to listen to it, it was so intimidate at times. 970 01:12:00,049 --> 01:12:02,652 And it was the most courageous 971 01:12:02,686 --> 01:12:06,623 things ever done, it was the most daring thing he's done. 972 01:12:06,656 --> 01:12:08,825 It's Jaco's internal thing, 973 01:12:08,858 --> 01:12:11,027 to real cure with euphorias. 974 01:12:12,729 --> 01:12:18,568 [JOHN AND MARY PLAYING] 975 01:12:55,639 --> 01:12:57,974 There were some people that were less than 976 01:12:58,007 --> 01:13:00,076 thrilled about this, they thought, "Aw, wait a minute." 977 01:13:00,109 --> 01:13:01,578 "This is like the switch arrow. 978 01:13:01,611 --> 01:13:03,146 "He signed this guy to make these 979 01:13:03,179 --> 01:13:06,816 big hit fusion records and now he's doing this thing over here." 980 01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:07,851 Um... 981 01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:12,889 I know how comfortable he was with the concept. 982 01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:16,159 How good he felt about what he was doing, that it was right. 983 01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:25,902 Label had never quite really acknowledged 984 01:13:25,935 --> 01:13:28,171 the master work it was. 985 01:13:28,204 --> 01:13:31,741 And it hurt Jaco deeply to tears. 986 01:13:31,775 --> 01:13:34,210 It really did hurt him. 987 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:37,614 I remember Jaco, really needing Joe's approval. 988 01:13:37,647 --> 01:13:40,917 And we would call him on the phone. 989 01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:44,454 And play the tape, with the phone held up. 990 01:13:44,488 --> 01:13:46,055 All the time. 991 01:13:46,089 --> 01:13:48,858 And it was often, 992 01:13:48,892 --> 01:13:50,994 the end of the day session. 993 01:13:51,027 --> 01:13:55,765 Because Joe will be cruelly dismissive. 994 01:13:55,799 --> 01:13:59,469 I kind of wanted to say to Jaco, "Let's not call Joe today." 995 01:14:01,004 --> 01:14:05,875 Joe had a fighters instinct or a boxers instinct. 996 01:14:05,909 --> 01:14:09,713 He had a Myles instinct that through his, 997 01:14:11,047 --> 01:14:15,552 you know, glass chin or a soft spot in the belly. 998 01:14:15,585 --> 01:14:18,121 They knew how to find it pretty quick. 999 01:14:18,154 --> 01:14:22,058 The final tour began with Joe, 1000 01:14:22,091 --> 01:14:24,928 listening to the Word Of Mouth album. 1001 01:14:24,961 --> 01:14:27,597 He wanted to wait for that perfect moment, 1002 01:14:27,631 --> 01:14:29,933 to play the music for Joe. And he thought 1003 01:14:29,966 --> 01:14:33,970 after lunch flying to Tokyo, will be the perfect moment. 1004 01:14:34,003 --> 01:14:37,941 Joe takes off the headphone and I hear him say, 1005 01:14:37,974 --> 01:14:43,046 "Nah, that just sounds like some typical high school big bam bullshit." 1006 01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:46,115 That's what Joe said about Liberty City. 1007 01:14:47,216 --> 01:14:49,185 And I couldn't believe it. 1008 01:14:49,218 --> 01:14:52,155 That was Joe's way of 1009 01:14:52,188 --> 01:14:55,158 slapping down the son, who's like 1010 01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:58,261 threatening his reign. 1011 01:14:58,294 --> 01:15:00,296 In a sense. 1012 01:15:00,329 --> 01:15:03,099 That fucking music was on the highest level. 1013 01:15:04,601 --> 01:15:06,903 John and Mary, that... 1014 01:15:06,936 --> 01:15:10,607 Joe would love to write something like that. 1015 01:15:13,242 --> 01:15:15,211 I think there was a point of 1016 01:15:16,813 --> 01:15:18,782 fear by Joe in 1017 01:15:21,885 --> 01:15:25,822 feeling like the son had taken over. 1018 01:15:28,357 --> 01:15:29,959 [LAUGHING] 1019 01:15:29,993 --> 01:15:31,928 Where do you wanna go from here? 1020 01:15:31,961 --> 01:15:34,130 I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. 1021 01:15:34,163 --> 01:15:36,232 [CYMBALS CRASHING] 1022 01:15:37,667 --> 01:15:40,770 *Ti ri ta ta ta ta Ta ta ta * 1023 01:15:40,804 --> 01:15:44,340 JACO: In 1982, our men took off from Weather report. 1024 01:15:44,373 --> 01:15:46,209 We've been together a long time, 1025 01:15:46,242 --> 01:15:50,046 just like anything else, you gotta have space, too. 1026 01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:52,616 Playing in Weather report didn't allow me any time to do anything 1027 01:15:52,649 --> 01:15:54,083 - on my own. - Uhm... 1028 01:15:55,752 --> 01:15:59,789 So I said to myself, "Forget it, Jaco. You gotta get to work." 1029 01:15:59,823 --> 01:16:01,324 And I don't care what Joe thinks about. 1030 01:16:01,357 --> 01:16:04,728 'Cause I know, I can get the job done, man. 1031 01:16:04,761 --> 01:16:06,129 And that's it. 1032 01:16:06,930 --> 01:16:08,632 [HORN TOOTING] 1033 01:16:11,367 --> 01:16:15,338 Jaco would come up and just stay with us, crash with us. 1034 01:16:15,371 --> 01:16:17,240 We were just playing in a club. 1035 01:16:17,273 --> 01:16:19,308 And right down where I lived, 1036 01:16:19,342 --> 01:16:22,879 from where I lived called 55 Grand Street. 1037 01:16:23,913 --> 01:16:26,015 The problem for me, 1038 01:16:26,049 --> 01:16:28,752 at that point was that I was totally out. 1039 01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,887 You know I was really high a lot. 1040 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,623 So much so that Myles, actually tried to put me in a rehab. 1041 01:16:33,657 --> 01:16:35,324 And when Myles tries to put you in a rehab, 1042 01:16:35,358 --> 01:16:37,994 you know, you got a little bit of a Joan. 1043 01:16:38,027 --> 01:16:41,130 And the nick name of 55 Grand, was 55 gram. 1044 01:16:41,164 --> 01:16:42,966 [LAUGHS] 1045 01:16:42,999 --> 01:16:44,100 Is it that what you're talking about? 1046 01:16:44,133 --> 01:16:46,169 Yeah, so you know, you know what, there was, 1047 01:16:46,202 --> 01:16:49,272 there was lot of condiments flowing through, you know. 1048 01:16:49,305 --> 01:16:52,041 People were doing what they wanted to do. I mean, there was nothing really 1049 01:16:52,075 --> 01:16:56,412 out in the open, but you know, if you're there late enough probably there was. 1050 01:16:56,445 --> 01:16:59,683 I mean, Jaco would hang for a day, go straight 1051 01:16:59,716 --> 01:17:02,952 through days and days, never stops hanging. 1052 01:17:02,986 --> 01:17:09,793 [LAUGHS] It was like dumb asses just hanging down the street. 1053 01:17:09,826 --> 01:17:13,096 I said, "Create the Hang Dynasty club." 1054 01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:15,264 So if you hang for three days, 1055 01:17:15,298 --> 01:17:17,133 you'll be a member of this club. 1056 01:17:17,166 --> 01:17:20,970 You know, if you didn't hang for three days straight, 1057 01:17:21,004 --> 01:17:22,305 you aren't in the club. 1058 01:17:22,338 --> 01:17:25,008 So, everybody passed the test. 1059 01:17:25,041 --> 01:17:26,175 [LAUGHS] 1060 01:17:26,209 --> 01:17:28,177 So we had a band. 1061 01:17:34,984 --> 01:17:38,454 You know, at that point, that was normal. 1062 01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:42,826 It wasn't that far out for the musicians. 1063 01:17:42,859 --> 01:17:49,132 But Jaco's playing, became an extension almost of his behavior off stage. 1064 01:17:49,165 --> 01:17:52,736 Sort of John Belushi kind of man. 1065 01:17:52,769 --> 01:17:55,304 People almost felt cheated if they didn't, 1066 01:17:55,338 --> 01:17:58,942 you know, well, Jaco really acted like Jaco tonight. 1067 01:17:58,975 --> 01:18:02,478 They got their money's worth out of him. But meanwhile, now he's gotta 1068 01:18:02,511 --> 01:18:04,280 be wreck the next day. 1069 01:18:06,816 --> 01:18:09,753 And so I think, there was some pressure. 1070 01:18:11,454 --> 01:18:16,292 It didn't occur to me, not to be with him. We were just kinda like 1071 01:18:16,325 --> 01:18:19,963 brothers in a way, you know we just, we well... 1072 01:18:21,464 --> 01:18:23,933 We were in the same boat. 1073 01:18:23,967 --> 01:18:29,939 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 1074 01:18:52,295 --> 01:18:57,733 [JAZZ MUSIC CONTINUES] 1075 01:19:09,412 --> 01:19:14,383 [AUDIENCE CHEERING] 1076 01:19:16,585 --> 01:19:19,222 He was a cult figure of sorts, I mean, 1077 01:19:19,255 --> 01:19:21,057 what stuck me at one point was... 1078 01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:25,228 "Man we're playing like an old Bebop tune from the '40s," 1079 01:19:25,261 --> 01:19:27,864 for these young people and they're freaking out 1080 01:19:27,897 --> 01:19:30,934 going crazy and I thought isn't it fantastic. 1081 01:19:33,970 --> 01:19:36,372 The frustrating thing to me was, 1082 01:19:36,405 --> 01:19:40,209 this thing was up and running from note one. 1083 01:19:40,243 --> 01:19:42,178 We sold out, wherever we played. 1084 01:19:42,211 --> 01:19:44,881 And all the luminary musicians came 1085 01:19:44,914 --> 01:19:48,151 to see what was going on, you know, it was working. 1086 01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:52,822 It made everybody feel like a rock star, playing a jazz tour. 1087 01:19:52,856 --> 01:19:55,424 The Japanese adored him, I mean, we're talking 1088 01:19:55,458 --> 01:19:57,894 20,000 seats. 1089 01:19:57,927 --> 01:20:01,931 There were people, who broke the bones in their thumbs 1090 01:20:01,965 --> 01:20:05,034 so that they bend the last digit 1091 01:20:05,068 --> 01:20:07,470 of their thumb back like Jaco could. 1092 01:20:08,637 --> 01:20:11,240 I've seen unbelievable things. 1093 01:20:11,274 --> 01:20:13,943 But the things I saw early, 1094 01:20:13,977 --> 01:20:17,546 were the same things I saw later that knock me up. 1095 01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:19,983 It's his ability 1096 01:20:20,016 --> 01:20:24,453 to communicate music to everyone including the average person. 1097 01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:31,460 He had tribes of people waiting for him, in every city that he went to. 1098 01:20:31,494 --> 01:20:36,065 Even if they didn't know anything about his facility, 1099 01:20:36,099 --> 01:20:40,236 but at the same time he was leaving Weather Report, 1100 01:20:40,269 --> 01:20:43,006 starting his own career path 1101 01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:45,141 with his album The Word of Mouth band. 1102 01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:48,611 He was essentially leaving a family. 1103 01:20:52,381 --> 01:20:56,019 Ingrid gave Jaco, these magical twins, 1104 01:20:56,052 --> 01:20:59,956 that he was amazed by. 1105 01:20:59,989 --> 01:21:05,561 The concept of twins was spiritual and incredible to him. 1106 01:21:05,594 --> 01:21:09,098 And pondering their birth was astounding to him. 1107 01:21:09,132 --> 01:21:12,969 Unfortunately, that was happening at the time when he was 1108 01:21:13,002 --> 01:21:15,171 sort of run raveling and Ingrid, uh, 1109 01:21:17,173 --> 01:21:20,276 being so, after they're born being so 1110 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:25,314 protected of, his children didn't watch Jaco around them 1111 01:21:25,348 --> 01:21:27,316 and so he didn't have 1112 01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:29,252 much of a relationship with them. 1113 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,157 'Cause at the time he was not in a place to 1114 01:21:34,190 --> 01:21:36,592 be responsible parent, 1115 01:21:36,625 --> 01:21:40,029 and that caused some amount of pain. 1116 01:21:40,063 --> 01:21:42,966 I said, "What's happening, man? What's wrong?" 1117 01:21:42,999 --> 01:21:45,634 And he said, "You've ever been married?" 1118 01:21:45,668 --> 01:21:48,071 I said, "No." He said, "You have any kids?" 1119 01:21:48,104 --> 01:21:50,373 I said, "No." He said, "I can't tell you what's wrong. 1120 01:21:50,406 --> 01:21:53,242 'Cause you wouldn't understand it." 1121 01:21:53,276 --> 01:21:56,645 I guess that was his way of let me know that there were problems. 1122 01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:10,493 Before the Japan trip, I go to the airport. 1123 01:22:10,526 --> 01:22:15,264 I turn a corner and here is Jaco. 1124 01:22:15,298 --> 01:22:20,503 And it was the moment which was driving is that moment 1125 01:22:20,536 --> 01:22:22,505 in the film Taxi Driver, 1126 01:22:22,538 --> 01:22:25,341 when the camera pans 1127 01:22:25,374 --> 01:22:28,211 and then begins to pan up. 1128 01:22:28,244 --> 01:22:31,180 You see the body of De Niro, you know it's De Niro, 1129 01:22:31,214 --> 01:22:34,683 but then, when you see the shaved head with a Mohawk... 1130 01:22:34,717 --> 01:22:36,986 I had that same... 1131 01:22:38,021 --> 01:22:40,556 creepy, frightening feeling. 1132 01:22:42,525 --> 01:22:46,195 And I went, "Hi, Jaco." 1133 01:22:50,733 --> 01:22:55,738 He's got pieces of electrical tape on his face, 1134 01:22:55,771 --> 01:22:58,074 with the crew cut. 1135 01:22:58,107 --> 01:23:00,409 At some point, he changed into this 1136 01:23:00,443 --> 01:23:03,379 blue Seminole dress. 1137 01:23:03,412 --> 01:23:05,614 And he's walking around the plane 1138 01:23:05,648 --> 01:23:10,519 like he was Sun Ra or something, one of these mystical elders. 1139 01:23:13,522 --> 01:23:15,691 A lot of musicians were kind of amused. 1140 01:23:15,724 --> 01:23:17,626 They're not quite sure about the make of it, 1141 01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:22,065 those of us who've known him longer are alarmed. 1142 01:23:22,098 --> 01:23:26,235 Um, and so, there's a balance of this emperor's new clothing 1143 01:23:26,269 --> 01:23:29,138 and nobody saying anything. 1144 01:23:29,172 --> 01:23:32,375 And we were whispering, "What do we do?" 1145 01:23:32,408 --> 01:23:34,677 Something definitely is wrong. 1146 01:23:43,486 --> 01:23:46,489 [STRING INSTRUMENT PLAYING] 1147 01:23:56,499 --> 01:23:59,435 Hello, I'm an electric bass player. 1148 01:23:59,468 --> 01:24:02,605 [LAUGHS] 1149 01:24:02,638 --> 01:24:05,808 Jaco was not doing so well at that time. 1150 01:24:05,841 --> 01:24:08,177 How's that going? You got another one? 1151 01:24:08,211 --> 01:24:10,546 Things are not going well. 1152 01:24:10,579 --> 01:24:13,582 What's up in the future for you? 1153 01:24:13,616 --> 01:24:16,119 Well, more records. 1154 01:24:16,152 --> 01:24:17,453 It's champagne, but looks like beer. 1155 01:24:17,486 --> 01:24:21,224 - More records, I'm sure. - What kinda records? 1156 01:24:21,257 --> 01:24:24,827 Well, we're working on a new studio album. 1157 01:24:24,860 --> 01:24:29,398 Which album? We are done, bro. What we gotta do is get it and mix it. 1158 01:24:29,432 --> 01:24:30,866 [CYMBALS CRASHING] 1159 01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:33,369 There definitely was a feeling 1160 01:24:33,402 --> 01:24:35,604 of uncertainty. 1161 01:24:35,638 --> 01:24:40,443 That never reared its ugly head, during Word of Mouth. 1162 01:24:41,844 --> 01:24:45,448 Label has zero interest in the record. 1163 01:24:45,481 --> 01:24:49,452 And I didn't know, what options he had. 1164 01:24:49,485 --> 01:24:53,222 Do you ever see tapping of the commercial market. 1165 01:24:53,256 --> 01:24:54,690 We are. 1166 01:24:54,723 --> 01:24:58,627 - I'm commercial. - Not commercial yet. 1167 01:24:58,661 --> 01:25:02,498 Jaco is very aware, that he could have easily just gone pop 1168 01:25:02,531 --> 01:25:04,867 making some records and "Bam". 1169 01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:07,570 I'm not selling out man. Hey, man. 1170 01:25:07,603 --> 01:25:09,605 I'm not selling out. 1171 01:25:10,839 --> 01:25:12,341 [LAUGHS] 1172 01:25:12,375 --> 01:25:15,211 You know, we're tapping the commercial market. 1173 01:25:15,244 --> 01:25:20,283 I mean, are you're referring to the pop music, top 40 market? 1174 01:25:20,316 --> 01:25:23,319 Well yeah, If they ever come around and get smart, sure. 1175 01:25:23,352 --> 01:25:24,920 Like Chuck Mangione. 1176 01:25:24,953 --> 01:25:27,156 Impossible, he plays out of tune. 1177 01:25:27,190 --> 01:25:29,892 Chuck Manicoti, I don't dig him at all. You know. 1178 01:25:29,925 --> 01:25:33,229 Yeah, that's the man, he's a very nice cat, he does way too much coke, 1179 01:25:33,262 --> 01:25:35,198 and a mother fucker. 1180 01:25:35,231 --> 01:25:37,900 He eats too much pasta and fuck him, he wears a hat. 1181 01:25:37,933 --> 01:25:40,369 [LAUGHING] 1182 01:25:40,403 --> 01:25:43,539 When he was in the midst of recording for Holiday for Pans. 1183 01:25:43,572 --> 01:25:47,343 The Warner Brothers decided to 1184 01:25:47,376 --> 01:25:51,214 rip up, literally rip up, Jaco's contract. 1185 01:25:51,247 --> 01:25:52,715 It was like a huge rejection. 1186 01:25:52,748 --> 01:25:55,684 He knew that he was on to something really special. 1187 01:25:55,718 --> 01:25:58,387 He just continue this downward spiral. 1188 01:25:59,822 --> 01:26:01,257 People didn't understand 1189 01:26:01,290 --> 01:26:04,227 there were forces and conditions and beyond his control, 1190 01:26:04,260 --> 01:26:06,295 that were grabbing hold. 1191 01:26:06,329 --> 01:26:10,499 And it was too easy to just describe to substances. 1192 01:26:15,438 --> 01:26:19,174 [SIREN WAILING] 1193 01:26:23,379 --> 01:26:25,548 [BEEP] Hey dad. It's Jaco. 1194 01:26:25,581 --> 01:26:26,715 You there? 1195 01:26:26,749 --> 01:26:27,783 Hey. 1196 01:26:27,816 --> 01:26:29,852 - Daddy! - Yeah. 1197 01:26:29,885 --> 01:26:31,820 So nice. 1198 01:26:31,854 --> 01:26:33,689 I don't know, I haven't heard from you. 1199 01:26:34,357 --> 01:26:35,558 Where you at? 1200 01:26:35,591 --> 01:26:38,694 - New York City. - Where at? 1201 01:26:38,727 --> 01:26:40,696 Well, we're here. Jame's house. 1202 01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:42,831 Well, I called there last week. 1203 01:26:42,865 --> 01:26:43,966 Daddy! 1204 01:26:43,999 --> 01:26:48,404 - Sorry... [MUFFLED] - Nobody answered. 1205 01:26:48,437 --> 01:26:51,206 - Can I tell you one thing. - What's that? 1206 01:26:53,008 --> 01:26:54,443 Who loves you? 1207 01:26:55,711 --> 01:26:57,613 Who loves you, kid? 1208 01:27:04,953 --> 01:27:06,922 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 1209 01:27:18,334 --> 01:27:20,603 Look, things happen whether people are good or bad. 1210 01:27:20,636 --> 01:27:24,707 It's always the convergence of many elements or components 1211 01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:26,975 coming up together. 1212 01:27:27,009 --> 01:27:29,512 You know, it takes fore fingers to the thumb 1213 01:27:29,545 --> 01:27:31,380 to make that solid. 1214 01:27:31,414 --> 01:27:33,282 But you need to make impact. 1215 01:27:33,316 --> 01:27:36,952 Or to make stranglehold. 1216 01:27:39,855 --> 01:27:42,591 He's like at this video, they want me to do this video. 1217 01:27:42,625 --> 01:27:45,594 I told them I wasn't gonna do this with out you. But we gonna do this. 1218 01:27:45,628 --> 01:27:47,029 And he was in bad shape. 1219 01:27:47,062 --> 01:27:49,398 But he was so real and then he wanted to leave some thing. 1220 01:27:49,432 --> 01:27:51,066 I don't know if somethings gonna happen to him, 1221 01:27:51,099 --> 01:27:52,801 but it was in the forefront 1222 01:27:52,835 --> 01:27:54,837 of his mind to help other musicians. 1223 01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:57,072 To help leave something for kiddies. 1224 01:27:57,105 --> 01:27:59,642 Um, that's what he wanted to do. 1225 01:27:59,675 --> 01:28:04,447 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 1226 01:28:06,382 --> 01:28:07,983 Be p-ba-be-bop-boo. What you do? 1227 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,555 Yeah. 1228 01:28:16,992 --> 01:28:18,694 - Okay. - Way better something like that. 1229 01:28:18,727 --> 01:28:20,929 That's better than I do. 1230 01:28:20,963 --> 01:28:22,898 Any advice to musicians. 1231 01:28:22,931 --> 01:28:25,534 Young and old. New, beginners. 1232 01:28:27,836 --> 01:28:29,572 Just your minds open. 1233 01:28:29,605 --> 01:28:32,841 Keep an open head about music. 1234 01:28:32,875 --> 01:28:35,711 When I first came to New York, everybody just wanted to play Jazz. 1235 01:28:35,744 --> 01:28:37,780 They didn't know about rock and roll. 1236 01:28:37,813 --> 01:28:39,782 They didn't know about funk. They didn't know about nothing. 1237 01:28:39,815 --> 01:28:41,617 All they wanted to do is Jazz. 1238 01:28:41,650 --> 01:28:43,986 Now New York is cool. They're playing everything. 1239 01:28:44,019 --> 01:28:48,056 Where I grew up, in Florida, everything was here. 1240 01:28:48,090 --> 01:28:53,095 So I was fortunate enough to be exposed and be able to play all different types of musicians. 1241 01:28:53,128 --> 01:28:55,464 I played in a country band for an year, I had a ball. 1242 01:28:55,498 --> 01:28:58,701 I love country, western, too, if it's was good. I dig it. 1243 01:28:58,734 --> 01:29:01,537 Whatever it is, just keep an open mind about everything. 1244 01:29:01,570 --> 01:29:03,105 That's my own advice. 1245 01:29:03,138 --> 01:29:05,974 - And keep listening. - Beautiful. 1246 01:29:06,008 --> 01:29:07,643 Keep your ears open. 1247 01:29:10,913 --> 01:29:13,582 You have to support your music or your art with your life. 1248 01:29:13,616 --> 01:29:15,451 And how they intertwine... 1249 01:29:15,484 --> 01:29:19,655 If your life doesn't have enough stability, 1250 01:29:19,688 --> 01:29:21,424 then your art is gonna suffer. 1251 01:29:21,457 --> 01:29:23,592 You're not gonna be able to get those tomatoes to the market. 1252 01:29:23,626 --> 01:29:26,762 If you have a flat tire, you're gonna be on the side of the highway. 1253 01:29:26,795 --> 01:29:30,433 Um, so he was in that kind of... 1254 01:29:30,466 --> 01:29:32,968 Stage where this was going on. 1255 01:29:34,202 --> 01:29:38,641 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 1256 01:30:05,901 --> 01:30:08,437 [HORN TOOTING] 1257 01:30:10,072 --> 01:30:11,707 [BEEP] 1258 01:30:11,740 --> 01:30:14,943 Hi, Jack, I'm sorry for calling so early, but this is Carey. 1259 01:30:14,977 --> 01:30:17,546 And I just saw Jaco on the street. 1260 01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:19,982 And he's doing some crazy things. 1261 01:30:20,015 --> 01:30:23,118 I don't want to tell you this, but he needs some sort of help again. 1262 01:30:23,151 --> 01:30:26,489 He almost got himself killed by somebody a little while ago. 1263 01:30:26,522 --> 01:30:29,692 So I just don't know what to tell you, you know. 1264 01:30:29,725 --> 01:30:31,727 I hope you could help. 1265 01:30:36,732 --> 01:30:38,366 Between the street door 1266 01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:43,138 and our security door inside, there was a little six foot space. 1267 01:30:43,171 --> 01:30:45,774 Some mornings he'll be there waiting for us. 1268 01:30:45,808 --> 01:30:47,943 Obviously he's been up from the night before, 1269 01:30:47,976 --> 01:30:50,479 and he knew it was a safe place. 1270 01:30:50,513 --> 01:30:53,148 [DRUMS BEATING] 1271 01:30:56,819 --> 01:30:58,987 He was comfortable here because 1272 01:30:59,021 --> 01:31:02,725 he was around musicians. 1273 01:31:02,758 --> 01:31:04,893 Saying, "Hey, let me show you something on my drums" 1274 01:31:04,927 --> 01:31:07,496 or, "Let me show you something I'm working on the piano." 1275 01:31:07,530 --> 01:31:09,231 Come here check this out." 1276 01:31:09,264 --> 01:31:12,535 Here's something I wrote, you know, Weather Report never recorded. 1277 01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:19,675 He would kind of jolt and say, "Man, you know why", 1278 01:31:19,708 --> 01:31:22,678 "why is this or how could this be for this guy that was 1279 01:31:22,711 --> 01:31:24,713 "on top of the world 1280 01:31:24,747 --> 01:31:26,582 "and reinvented the instrument 1281 01:31:26,615 --> 01:31:30,919 and left such a strong mark on music." 1282 01:31:32,187 --> 01:31:34,690 [SIREN WAILING] 1283 01:31:40,863 --> 01:31:45,901 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 1284 01:31:53,008 --> 01:31:54,877 The senior in my band, Anthony, 1285 01:31:54,910 --> 01:31:56,679 they were walking down a street in New York, 1286 01:31:56,712 --> 01:31:59,281 and they saw Jaco, sitting on the sidewalk. 1287 01:31:59,314 --> 01:32:02,685 And they were like, "It's Jaco Pastorius, 1288 01:32:02,718 --> 01:32:06,054 sitting on the sidewalk drunk, playing Louie Louie for change." 1289 01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:18,901 * When Charlie Speaks of lustre 1290 01:32:18,934 --> 01:32:20,636 * You know someone... 1291 01:32:20,669 --> 01:32:24,272 I went to an art opening in Soho. 1292 01:32:24,306 --> 01:32:29,211 And when we came out there was a little club across the street with a cardboard 1293 01:32:29,244 --> 01:32:32,781 signed magic marker said, "Jaco Pastorius tonight." 1294 01:32:36,284 --> 01:32:39,888 So I went in and I found him at the bar. 1295 01:32:42,691 --> 01:32:47,029 He sure cheated me, he asked me to jam with him, 1296 01:32:47,062 --> 01:32:50,098 but he trailed the cord of the microphone 1297 01:32:50,132 --> 01:32:53,802 over the keyboard so that it got in my way. 1298 01:32:53,836 --> 01:32:55,971 And I flip it off while I'm playing, 1299 01:32:56,004 --> 01:32:57,873 and he would flip it back on. 1300 01:32:57,906 --> 01:33:00,042 And he was playing way out the chord. 1301 01:33:00,075 --> 01:33:02,077 You know, it was, 1302 01:33:02,110 --> 01:33:06,048 not good, nothing was good about it at all, it was, 1303 01:33:06,682 --> 01:33:07,683 you know... 1304 01:33:09,117 --> 01:33:13,856 You know, when he was kind of praising me too much... 1305 01:33:13,889 --> 01:33:16,158 You know what I mean, like, 1306 01:33:16,191 --> 01:33:19,394 and then, sure cheating me too much, it was very 1307 01:33:19,427 --> 01:33:22,631 skitsy behavior, you know. 1308 01:33:22,665 --> 01:33:25,233 And that's the last I saw of him. 1309 01:33:33,208 --> 01:33:37,012 DR. KENNETH: In July of 1986, I committed him to Bellevue. 1310 01:33:42,250 --> 01:33:44,286 Jaco was in the hospital for seven weeks. 1311 01:33:44,319 --> 01:33:48,090 He was admitted in late July and discharged in about mid September. 1312 01:33:48,123 --> 01:33:50,893 This is almost exactly 25 years ago. 1313 01:33:53,328 --> 01:33:54,930 When he came in, 1314 01:33:54,963 --> 01:33:59,067 there was this grandiosity and kind of oppositional behavior. 1315 01:33:59,101 --> 01:34:01,169 And he was certainly in danger of provoking 1316 01:34:01,203 --> 01:34:03,872 somebody that could be dangerous to him. 1317 01:34:05,908 --> 01:34:09,812 And this sort of scaled down over weeks. 1318 01:34:09,845 --> 01:34:11,847 While he was on the unit, 1319 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,817 he was very engaged 1320 01:34:14,850 --> 01:34:18,787 with other patients. He could reach other patients in ways that other people couldn't. 1321 01:34:18,821 --> 01:34:22,190 I recall, there was this woman there, very psychotic patient, 1322 01:34:22,224 --> 01:34:24,960 who had cut herself, 1323 01:34:24,993 --> 01:34:28,797 all over the body in response to some delusion. 1324 01:34:28,831 --> 01:34:31,800 And she was very withdrawn and very inaccessible, 1325 01:34:31,834 --> 01:34:33,769 and Jaco really reached her, 1326 01:34:33,802 --> 01:34:38,206 in terms of making some kind of connection, some kind of contact with her. 1327 01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,743 Jaco had that capability. 1328 01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:46,214 [PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] 1329 01:34:49,151 --> 01:34:52,120 His diagnosis was bipolar disorder. 1330 01:34:54,222 --> 01:34:56,792 The classical form of bipolar disorder, 1331 01:34:56,825 --> 01:34:59,127 is weeks to months of depression. 1332 01:34:59,161 --> 01:35:02,197 And days to weeks of mania. 1333 01:35:02,230 --> 01:35:07,002 Jaco, had what you'd call either rapid cycling or mixed state. 1334 01:35:07,035 --> 01:35:09,838 Where the features of mania and depression 1335 01:35:09,872 --> 01:35:12,775 alternated rapidly or mixed with one another. 1336 01:35:17,012 --> 01:35:20,148 That interacted with the exposure to alcohol. 1337 01:35:20,182 --> 01:35:24,920 He was not at the point where he looked like just another drug using musician. 1338 01:35:24,953 --> 01:35:27,022 It was not like that. 1339 01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:35,931 Who is to say that the chemical imbalance 1340 01:35:35,964 --> 01:35:40,235 is a fault of nature? 1341 01:35:40,268 --> 01:35:45,908 It could be that the chemical imbalance ushers 1342 01:35:45,941 --> 01:35:50,045 in action, that would not have been taken 1343 01:35:50,078 --> 01:35:53,081 if you're living without it. 1344 01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:00,823 He was an explorer. 1345 01:36:02,424 --> 01:36:04,927 I see him in an image of Jaco, 1346 01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,931 like Johnny Parker, Coltrane, Myles. 1347 01:36:08,964 --> 01:36:13,068 It's the same thing I saw in the comic books. 1348 01:36:13,969 --> 01:36:15,470 Superheros. 1349 01:36:48,036 --> 01:36:50,438 [WAVES SPLASHING] 1350 01:36:50,472 --> 01:36:53,141 OPERATOR: Hallo, collect to Jack from Jaco. 1351 01:36:54,509 --> 01:36:56,311 Hey dad, it's Jaco. 1352 01:36:56,344 --> 01:36:57,545 Yeah. 1353 01:37:01,383 --> 01:37:03,351 Live and loud, in Florida. 1354 01:37:04,652 --> 01:37:06,254 Love you. 1355 01:37:07,389 --> 01:37:09,925 [WIND BLOWING] 1356 01:37:15,397 --> 01:37:19,034 Jaco, returned to Florida, 1357 01:37:19,067 --> 01:37:21,336 after he was treated. 1358 01:37:21,369 --> 01:37:25,373 He was intermittently compiled with the medication that's not unusual. 1359 01:37:31,113 --> 01:37:33,081 He was going through a phase 1360 01:37:33,115 --> 01:37:35,650 that a lot of bipolar patients go through. 1361 01:37:35,683 --> 01:37:37,886 And that's why they're ambivalent about their treatment. 1362 01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,821 And struggling with accepting the illness. 1363 01:37:39,854 --> 01:37:44,859 And that's what was going on in the year after he was discharged from Bellevue. 1364 01:38:03,211 --> 01:38:04,212 One day, 1365 01:38:05,513 --> 01:38:07,115 I look up and it's daddy. 1366 01:38:07,449 --> 01:38:09,617 And, 1367 01:38:09,651 --> 01:38:13,288 he doesn't have a base, I don't think he had a shirt on. 1368 01:38:13,321 --> 01:38:16,558 And he's hanging out with some fellows. 1369 01:38:16,591 --> 01:38:21,896 I assume they were hanging out here, too, to whatever degree. 1370 01:38:24,232 --> 01:38:26,401 He had an acoustic guitar. 1371 01:38:26,434 --> 01:38:29,637 He had some albums, you know, some of his albums. 1372 01:38:29,671 --> 01:38:33,075 And I realize that, "Man, he's hanging out here." 1373 01:38:34,309 --> 01:38:36,244 I mean, he could have stayed anywhere. 1374 01:38:36,278 --> 01:38:39,347 The thought of, my dad, Jaco Pastorius, 1375 01:38:39,381 --> 01:38:43,118 sleeping in a park is absurd. 1376 01:38:43,151 --> 01:38:46,554 And I don't think we'll ever know exactly why. 1377 01:38:51,626 --> 01:38:55,563 He was in a constant state of motion, at all times. 1378 01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:02,004 He was like trying to grab a cloud or a wind. 1379 01:39:04,039 --> 01:39:07,475 One day he would've choosed to get better. 1380 01:39:07,509 --> 01:39:10,945 But that choice was taken away from him. 1381 01:39:13,581 --> 01:39:16,284 He didn't die on the streets, 1382 01:39:16,318 --> 01:39:18,620 from a blown out liver, 1383 01:39:18,653 --> 01:39:20,722 or a heart attack or anything. He was killed. 1384 01:39:24,492 --> 01:39:26,628 The song is called Mr. Pastorius, it's on your 1385 01:39:26,661 --> 01:39:29,331 last album Amandla, right? 1386 01:39:31,399 --> 01:39:36,171 [MR. PASTORIUS PLAYING] 1387 01:40:07,635 --> 01:40:11,173 I remember, he came to a gig, I had in Fort Lauderdale. 1388 01:40:11,206 --> 01:40:14,342 And the owner ran out, 1389 01:40:14,376 --> 01:40:16,678 and said, "I'm gonna call the cops, right now." 1390 01:40:16,711 --> 01:40:21,049 And Jaco hadn't done anything. All he did was he just walk into the restaurant. 1391 01:40:21,083 --> 01:40:25,420 And so I told the band leader, I said, "Look, that's my brother." 1392 01:40:25,453 --> 01:40:28,523 "I have to take him home. I can't let him go to jail." 1393 01:40:28,556 --> 01:40:31,159 I put his sticks down. Got up, got my car keys, 1394 01:40:31,193 --> 01:40:35,230 I got Jaco, and I said, "Come on man, let's go." 1395 01:40:35,263 --> 01:40:36,698 So we get in my car. 1396 01:40:36,731 --> 01:40:39,101 I said, "Okay, where do you live?" 1397 01:40:39,134 --> 01:40:42,237 and he says, "In the park." 1398 01:40:42,270 --> 01:40:44,739 And I said, "what? In the Park?" 1399 01:40:44,772 --> 01:40:48,076 "Yeah, I live in the park. Just take me to the park." 1400 01:40:48,110 --> 01:40:49,544 So we're driving in the park, 1401 01:40:49,577 --> 01:40:52,080 then he grabs my hand, he starts crying. 1402 01:40:52,114 --> 01:40:56,718 Then I said,"What's wrong man." He goes, "I don't wanna be here any more." 1403 01:40:56,751 --> 01:40:59,487 And I said, "What do you mean by that, Jaco?" 1404 01:40:59,521 --> 01:41:02,324 "I don't wanna be here man, I've had it." 1405 01:41:04,126 --> 01:41:08,496 [TRUMPET PLAYING] 1406 01:41:14,669 --> 01:41:18,340 [THUNDER RUMBLING] 1407 01:41:20,708 --> 01:41:21,743 [BEEP] 1408 01:42:06,754 --> 01:42:13,195 [THUNDER RUMBLING] 1409 01:42:24,206 --> 01:42:26,441 That night he went to see his hero, 1410 01:42:26,474 --> 01:42:28,343 Carlos Santana. 1411 01:42:28,376 --> 01:42:31,413 And the incident happened. 1412 01:42:31,446 --> 01:42:35,450 I found about it very quick because my ex-girlfriend, 1413 01:42:35,483 --> 01:42:40,722 dated one of those assholes that beat him to coma. 1414 01:42:40,755 --> 01:42:43,658 And this was pretty tough, very tough 1415 01:42:44,459 --> 01:42:46,394 for me to hear. 1416 01:42:46,428 --> 01:42:50,765 And, it was very sad. I remember, 1417 01:42:51,799 --> 01:42:53,435 at the funeral. 1418 01:42:54,602 --> 01:42:57,339 The boys. 1419 01:42:57,372 --> 01:43:00,675 Ingrid, looked at me and she just walked away. She couldn't take it. 1420 01:43:00,708 --> 01:43:03,378 Everybody was walking away at the end 1421 01:43:03,411 --> 01:43:05,380 of the funeral, man. 1422 01:43:05,413 --> 01:43:08,683 Julius and Felix, they are looking at me. 1423 01:43:08,716 --> 01:43:10,818 They said, "Uncle Bobby", 1424 01:43:10,852 --> 01:43:13,588 when daddy Jaco's gonna jump out of the box?" 1425 01:43:13,621 --> 01:43:18,226 And man, I remember, it took like 20 minutes, 1426 01:43:18,260 --> 01:43:20,728 talking to them to let them know that, 1427 01:43:20,762 --> 01:43:24,666 "Daddy Jaco's is with the angels now, he's not gonna jump out of the box." 1428 01:43:27,435 --> 01:43:29,537 Just thinking about what he has said, 1429 01:43:29,571 --> 01:43:32,674 and then watching his life unfold after that. 1430 01:43:32,707 --> 01:43:35,443 Everything he said, came to pass. 1431 01:43:37,945 --> 01:43:40,982 Not too long, afterwards I was flying in Italy, 1432 01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:43,985 after the concert, 1433 01:43:44,018 --> 01:43:46,488 you know, got on to the front of the stage. 1434 01:43:46,521 --> 01:43:49,557 Meet some fans. I went to the stage right where there's 1435 01:43:49,591 --> 01:43:51,726 a stairway that's lead off the stage, 1436 01:43:51,759 --> 01:43:55,263 and I started to go halfway down, to say hello to someone, I think, 1437 01:43:55,297 --> 01:43:57,532 this fan came up to me. 1438 01:43:57,565 --> 01:44:00,268 Very emotional. 1439 01:44:00,302 --> 01:44:02,570 Just said, "How could you do this? 1440 01:44:02,604 --> 01:44:05,373 How could all of you let this happen?" 1441 01:44:08,976 --> 01:44:12,714 I said, "Well, we all tried to help and..." 1442 01:44:12,747 --> 01:44:14,916 There wasn't good enough answer for him. 1443 01:44:16,017 --> 01:44:17,018 You know. 1444 01:44:18,486 --> 01:44:24,492 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 1445 01:44:59,361 --> 01:45:00,695 JONAS: We're influenced by life. 1446 01:45:00,728 --> 01:45:04,098 Whether we like it or not. It's not necessarily music. 1447 01:45:04,131 --> 01:45:06,067 That makes us play a certain way. 1448 01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:08,736 It's the life we live. It's our experiences. 1449 01:45:08,770 --> 01:45:10,805 It's our upbringing. It's what we 1450 01:45:10,838 --> 01:45:13,408 experienced as kids before we were even 1451 01:45:13,441 --> 01:45:15,810 really conscious about our own personality, 1452 01:45:15,843 --> 01:45:19,381 or what we are or what we wanna do with life. 1453 01:45:19,414 --> 01:45:23,084 That's the stuff, that torment that go inside us. 1454 01:45:23,117 --> 01:45:25,753 That is what comes out in music. 1455 01:45:25,787 --> 01:45:27,955 Everybody gets their own burden, man. 1456 01:45:27,989 --> 01:45:29,924 Everyone gets their own special beating in life, 1457 01:45:29,957 --> 01:45:31,726 you know what I mean? 1458 01:45:31,759 --> 01:45:35,363 He just took this energy and he turned it into, what he turned it into. 1459 01:45:35,397 --> 01:45:38,132 You feel it in every note, you feel his nervous system. 1460 01:45:38,165 --> 01:45:40,568 You feel his joy, you feel his neurosis, 1461 01:45:40,602 --> 01:45:42,904 you feel his suffering, you feel it all. 1462 01:45:44,071 --> 01:45:47,442 Where do you go after Jaco. 1463 01:45:47,475 --> 01:45:49,076 It's not too much more 1464 01:45:49,110 --> 01:45:52,814 soul and feeling, and vibe. 1465 01:45:52,847 --> 01:45:56,418 You know, that are original stuff. 1466 01:45:56,451 --> 01:45:58,920 There's not too much you can do with that. 1467 01:46:20,508 --> 01:46:25,079 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 1468 01:46:27,649 --> 01:46:29,417 Where's he at? 1469 01:46:29,451 --> 01:46:31,819 Usually right next to Johnny Parker. 1470 01:46:31,853 --> 01:46:33,721 How do you spell Pastorius again? 1471 01:46:33,755 --> 01:46:35,890 Capital "P" as in... 1472 01:46:36,624 --> 01:46:38,960 That is, uh... Ha... 1473 01:46:38,993 --> 01:46:41,829 The Music's just a byproduct of his life, man. 1474 01:46:41,863 --> 01:46:45,600 And you can hear his sound every day. 1475 01:46:45,633 --> 01:46:48,570 Be it, Sting for the Police or Flea from the Chili Peppers. 1476 01:46:48,603 --> 01:46:50,538 It's amazing, how many people 1477 01:46:50,572 --> 01:46:52,807 are so close to his music. 1478 01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:56,210 And are so, appreciative of what he gave. 1479 01:46:56,243 --> 01:46:58,179 In a short amount of time. 1480 01:46:58,212 --> 01:46:59,881 [AUDIENCE CHEERING] 1481 01:46:59,914 --> 01:47:05,520 It is an honor to play here, in the Yankee stadium, New York City. 1482 01:47:05,553 --> 01:47:09,691 Thank you, for coming here and supporting heavy music. 1483 01:47:11,092 --> 01:47:15,930 [FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS PLAYING] 1484 01:47:35,583 --> 01:47:39,220 I had the good fortune of seeing, Jaco play four times. 1485 01:47:39,253 --> 01:47:41,789 It was an amazing moment for me. 1486 01:47:41,823 --> 01:47:44,559 Jaco, to me, was punk rock, you know. 1487 01:47:44,592 --> 01:47:46,460 He was fearless. 1488 01:47:46,494 --> 01:47:51,265 You know, you can try and label him as your own and say, "Jaco is pure Jazz." 1489 01:47:51,298 --> 01:47:54,836 But there are some Jazz musicians that are punk rock. 1490 01:48:01,576 --> 01:48:04,646 All of us stand on Jaco's shoulders. 1491 01:48:04,679 --> 01:48:09,751 No one could have missed that section of DNA out. 1492 01:48:09,784 --> 01:48:13,120 You know, you needed Jaco, to get to this point. 1493 01:48:15,222 --> 01:48:17,959 [BASS GUITAR PLAYING] 1494 01:48:22,029 --> 01:48:25,933 The things that I know that he's written blow my mind. 1495 01:48:27,034 --> 01:48:30,237 And no small part has influenced me, 1496 01:48:30,271 --> 01:48:34,576 in a way, especially the way, I put together the instrumental songs. 1497 01:48:37,745 --> 01:48:42,049 Whatever the genre can take, the genre can take. 1498 01:48:42,083 --> 01:48:45,787 So stretch it, pull it, bend it, it won't break it. 1499 01:48:52,727 --> 01:48:55,029 I just remember him being amazing, I remember the back flip, 1500 01:48:55,062 --> 01:48:57,665 I remember the great bass playing, I remember just thinking, 1501 01:48:57,699 --> 01:49:01,002 this is what it's all about. This is what I aspire to. 1502 01:49:01,035 --> 01:49:04,338 [BY THE WAY PLAYING] 1503 01:49:04,371 --> 01:49:06,941 He's the greatest electric bass player to ever play. 1504 01:49:06,974 --> 01:49:08,976 There's nothing else like it. 1505 01:49:09,010 --> 01:49:11,913 I mean, I'm thinking, am I missing anyone as if I'm missing something. 1506 01:49:11,946 --> 01:49:15,016 Is there anything close to it on the note, on the bass. 1507 01:49:15,950 --> 01:49:17,151 Not to me, man. 1508 01:49:21,923 --> 01:49:23,758 [JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING] 1509 01:49:31,866 --> 01:49:32,967 MAN: Come on, Jaco. 1510 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,003 One, two, three, four. 1511 01:49:44,378 --> 01:49:47,214 One, two, three, four. 1512 01:49:48,816 --> 01:49:49,817 Right. 1513 01:49:50,985 --> 01:49:52,253 [LAUGHS] 1514 01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:57,759 MAN: Jaco has no idea. 1515 01:49:57,792 --> 01:50:00,361 Ooh, bad... 1516 01:50:00,394 --> 01:50:03,765 Two in a row, not bad. Very good. 1517 01:50:03,798 --> 01:50:05,232 You won't believe this, 1518 01:50:05,266 --> 01:50:07,401 Jaco is playing in this club, 1519 01:50:07,434 --> 01:50:10,004 he walked down the stage balancing his bass 1520 01:50:10,037 --> 01:50:11,272 in one hand. 1521 01:50:11,305 --> 01:50:13,340 And everybody was holla and screaming. 1522 01:50:13,374 --> 01:50:15,843 He's balanced it all the way up to the stage, 1523 01:50:15,877 --> 01:50:18,946 as the other guy played, took the cord out and started playing. 1524 01:50:18,980 --> 01:50:22,950 I said, "No." He was like a Roman God. 1525 01:50:22,984 --> 01:50:26,153 He has these boots, man, these boots up to here. 1526 01:50:26,187 --> 01:50:29,423 And then he put a lot of talcum powder in it. 1527 01:50:29,456 --> 01:50:32,093 I mean a lot. 1528 01:50:32,126 --> 01:50:34,729 He walks up to the stage and borrowed the bass 1529 01:50:34,762 --> 01:50:37,799 from Rocco. He just played his ass off. 1530 01:50:37,832 --> 01:50:41,102 And after he finished, he started building, building, building... 1531 01:50:41,135 --> 01:50:45,406 Then he jumps and when he jumps all the talcum powder went [BLOWS RASPBERRIES] like that. 1532 01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:47,441 So it was like a magic trick. 1533 01:50:47,474 --> 01:50:50,044 We were cracking... I said, "This guy is out of his mind." 1534 01:50:50,077 --> 01:50:53,280 They ask me, what is it like to play with Jaco. 1535 01:50:53,314 --> 01:50:56,851 I came up with a description one time. 1536 01:50:56,884 --> 01:51:00,722 Kind of like jumping out of an airplane, naked at night on an LSD. 1537 01:51:00,755 --> 01:51:03,958 Something like that. 1538 01:51:03,991 --> 01:51:07,394 It was exiting, you know it's like "Wow!" It's a ride. 1539 01:51:07,428 --> 01:51:08,830 With a parachute. 1540 01:51:08,863 --> 01:51:10,464 I would wake up and go, "What's going on?" 1541 01:51:10,497 --> 01:51:14,201 And he said this is not a normal thing, please, it's just... 1542 01:51:14,235 --> 01:51:17,171 You just back off or let us be. 1543 01:51:17,204 --> 01:51:19,707 'Cause it's gonna happen every day. 1544 01:51:19,741 --> 01:51:23,911 This is like Charlie Parker walked in the house. 1545 01:51:23,945 --> 01:51:26,247 This is terrible, 'cause this is very heavy. 1546 01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:29,350 Even now, I can't play the bass a little bit. 1547 01:51:29,383 --> 01:51:32,854 I still cannot articulate like he does. 1548 01:51:32,887 --> 01:51:35,122 Every single note. 1549 01:51:35,156 --> 01:51:38,359 Everything is so perfectly executed. 1550 01:51:38,392 --> 01:51:41,729 When Jaco plays, it sounds like he knows 1551 01:51:41,763 --> 01:51:43,931 every single note he's playing. There's no way 1552 01:51:43,965 --> 01:51:47,101 that he can play a wrong note. And it's fretless. 1553 01:51:48,069 --> 01:51:50,471 So fuck that guy. Big time. 1554 01:51:50,504 --> 01:51:57,078 We were playing at his house one time, and he was playing drums. Tk-tss... Tk-tss... 1555 01:51:57,111 --> 01:52:00,181 You know, he starts playing the Teen Town beat. 1556 01:52:00,214 --> 01:52:03,084 And he says, "Let's play Teen Town. 1557 01:52:03,885 --> 01:52:05,820 And I said, "Jaco", 1558 01:52:07,054 --> 01:52:10,157 I don't know Teen Town." 1559 01:52:10,191 --> 01:52:14,195 He looked at me and said, "You don't know Teen Town?" 1560 01:52:14,228 --> 01:52:19,767 And I said, "No, I don't know any of your songs." 1561 01:52:19,801 --> 01:52:23,037 And there was this pregnant pause. And he 1562 01:52:23,070 --> 01:52:26,974 loomed up out of the drum stool. 1563 01:52:27,008 --> 01:52:30,544 And he was so much taller than me and I'm standing up. And he's like, I'm thinking, 1564 01:52:30,577 --> 01:52:35,282 Oh, my God. I'm about to get my ass whipped because I don't know Teen Town. 1565 01:52:38,352 --> 01:52:41,222 A lot of us bass players, can't get beyond the bass. 1566 01:52:41,255 --> 01:52:43,357 We're playing the music that's on the bass. 1567 01:52:43,390 --> 01:52:45,259 He was playing music that was in the air. 1568 01:52:45,292 --> 01:52:47,294 The music that was in his body. 1569 01:55:41,468 --> 01:55:43,404 I found it was love. 1570 01:55:43,437 --> 01:55:44,638 This one's for Jaco. 1571 01:55:47,774 --> 01:55:49,476 * Oh, yeah 1572 01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:51,445 * I feel you JP Let's go! 1573 01:55:51,478 --> 01:55:54,048 * Been at the bottom but then I got back up to this ring 1574 01:55:54,081 --> 01:55:55,649 * And I beat 'em up 'cause I never been an average 1575 01:55:55,682 --> 01:55:57,584 * Of flicking and I need to Get up and pin this thing 1576 01:55:57,618 --> 01:55:59,520 * With all the fault and I don't know what the matter is 1577 01:55:59,553 --> 01:56:01,522 * I'm packing my bag To see whose fault 1578 01:56:01,555 --> 01:56:04,258 * I'm harass and blast The people trying bury my class And grass the Bebop 1579 01:56:04,291 --> 01:56:06,127 * But I'm the last To see dope 1580 01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:08,695 * But I'm a bit weak and low The people who back like A freak show when he 1581 01:56:08,729 --> 01:56:12,099 * Shows magazine troll By all means souls so we grow 1582 01:56:12,133 --> 01:56:14,135 * Just pass the lead yo 1583 01:56:14,168 --> 01:56:16,603 * After all my angel Bet to pay to 1584 01:56:16,637 --> 01:56:19,240 * Love but I woke up quick 130389

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