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(static)
(crickets chirping)
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(footsteps)
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(girl breathing heavily)
(running footsteps)
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(static)
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(girl whimpers)
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(footsteps stop)
(girl panting)
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(static)
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Girl:
Hey! Over here!
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(static stops)
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(girl panting)
(crickets chirping)
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(twig snaps)
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(girl panting)
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Girl:
Please!
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(girl grunts)
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(feedback)
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(static)
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(girl screams)
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(computer mouse clicks)
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(ominous music playing)
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(sirens approaching)
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♪ ♪
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(sirens approaching)
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Dispatcher on phone:
911, what is the addressof your emergency?
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Officer: Waukesha County, I'm gonna transfer over a caller on Big Bend.
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That's a dead end just south of Rivera.
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Dispatcher: Okay.
Officer: He came upon a 12-year-old female.
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She appears to have been stabbed.
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Dispatcher:
She appears to be what?
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Officer: Stabbed.
Dispatcher: Stabbed?
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Officer:
Correct.
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On Saturday, May 31st, 2014,
at approximately 9:50 a.m.,
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the Waukesha
Police Department
was notified
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by a concernedcitizen
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that a 12-year-old girlwas stabbed
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in the areaof Big Bend Roadin the city of Waukesha.
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Female reporter:
The stabbing brought a huge police presence to the area,
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a major search by ground and air looking for two other girls.
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Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser
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are accused of stabbing their friend
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and leaving her for dead.
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Male reporter:
Weier and Geyser lured Payton into the woods
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Male reporter 2:
Police say that's when Geyser, holding the knife,
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was told by Weier, "Go ballistic, go crazy."
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♪ ♪
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Attorney:
And what happened?
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Payton said,
"Then she started."
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Male reporter 3:
Geyser began to stab the 12-year-old,
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as she screamed, 19 times with a five-inch blade.
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Sheriff: In the arms, legs, and torso.
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Male reporter:
One of the knife wounds missed a major artery
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near her heart by just a millimeter.
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♪ ♪
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Female reporter 2:
Payton somehow survived.
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She crawled out of those woods.
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Female reporter 3:
A bicyclist found her on the sidewalk,
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covered in blood and begging for help.
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When asked who attacked her, she said, "My best friend."
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Police say the suspects
were inspired by a character
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on a website
called Creepypasta,
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a site filled with scary stories.
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Now, the story they followed
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was about a character called Slenderman.
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A tall, fictional boogeyman
featured on Internet blogs.
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Slenderman, a faceless ghoul
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many parents have likely
never heard of.
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Female reporter 4:
If you don't know who Slenderman is--
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well, we didn't either,
but plenty of young kids do.
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If you don't know
who Slenderman is,
you live under a rock.
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Who's that?
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(static)
(boy yelling)
Run! Run! Run!
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Oh my god, run! No, run!
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Boy 2:
Oh my god!
Girl: Oh my god!
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Male reporter 2:
Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser
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were found walking near the interstate.
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They later told police they planned to walk
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to Slenderman's mansion.
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Female reporter 5:
Police say it's also who
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the young suspects claimedthey wanted to please.
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Detective Trussoni:
Anissa felt as though she needed to prove
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that Slenderman existed
and would be able to do that
by killing somebody.
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And Morgan said
that her family would be
in danger if they didn't.
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Prosecutors have charged
the girls as adults.
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If convicted on the charges,
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each 12-year-old faces
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up to 65 years in prison.
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(static)
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(Morgan speaks
matter-of-factly)
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(Detective Casey speaks)
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(Morgan speaks)
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♪ ♪
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(Detective Trussoni speaking on video)
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(crying)
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(Casey speaks matter-of-factly)
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(Morgan speakson video)
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(Casey speaks)
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(Morgan speaks)
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(Casey speaks)
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(Morgan speaking)
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♪ ♪
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Attorney: Did it seemto you at any point duringyour interview with Morgan
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that she was remorseful
about what she had done?
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Absolutely none.
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Attorney:
Did she cry at all at any point
during your interview of her?
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There was no emotion
from her at all.
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♪ ♪
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Attorney:
Did you, after discussingthe incident itself,
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have any conversationwith Payton
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about how she felt
about Morgan and Anissa
at this point?
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She said
that Morgan should go to jail
for the rest of her life...
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and that Anissa should
go to jail too, but not as long
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because she was involved
but she didn't stab her.
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She just stood there
and watched.
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♪ ♪
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Angie Geyser on video:
Hi, Morgan.
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(babbles)
Angie:
Hi, Morgan.
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(discordant notes)
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Angie:
Morgan was a surprise.
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And I didn't know how to feel
about it at first...
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but I knew that I loved her.
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Yay!
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Angie:
And she changed our lives drastically
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and for the better.
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(babbles)
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Angie:
Morgan's always been quirky,
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and she's always marched to the beat of her own drum.
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Even from-- from little on...
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she didn't care
what people think about her,
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which I think is
a wonderful trait,
especially for-- for a girl.
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Girls are usually so--
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so self-conscious
and concerned about--
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about what others think of them,
and Morgan was never like that.
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You know, she just...
(sighs)
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She always just did
her own thing,
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and if people didn't like it,
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well, that was
their problem.
(chuckles)
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Kitties and puppies
aren't wild animals.
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Angie:
No, that's right.
They're not. They're pets.
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Angie:
I had a camera in her face
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for a good portion of her childhood,
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so I think she got sick of it sometimes.
(mimics meowing)
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She got a real miniature baby grand piano for Christmas one year.
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(playing music, singing)
And she would sit there for quite a long time,
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just making up sweet little songs.
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And we tried to capture as many of them as we could on video,
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but usually as soon as she realized that we were paying attention
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or recording her, she would stop. (chuckles)
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♪ They'll stay stray forever ♪
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(crying, sniffles)
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One thing about Morgan
that always struck us...
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as a little...
odd was that she...
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(sighs)
She didn't react the way
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that you would
expect her to react...
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like at the movies.
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Like, if something bad happened
to the main character, she...
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she wouldn't
have empathy for them.
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♪ ♪
Bambi, come here!
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Look.
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New spring grass.
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Angie:
I remember watching "Bambi" with her for the first time.
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We were so worried
to watch it with her,
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because we thought
she was gonna be so upset
when-- when the mother died.
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♪ ♪
Bambi, quick! The thicket!
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(gunshot)
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Faster! Faster, Bambi!
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Don't look back!
Keep running! Keep running!
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(gunshot)
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But the mother died,
and Morgan just said,
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"Run Bambi, run!
Get out of there,
save yourself!"
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(laughs) You know? And she wasn't sad about it.
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♪ ♪
(panting)
We made it!
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We made it, Mother!
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We...
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Mother!
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And I could think of...
(sniffles)
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a lot of other examples
along those lines
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where she hasn't reacted
in the way
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that we would expect
a little girl to react.
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♪ ♪
(static)
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Angie:
We were aware that Morganwas interested in Slenderman.
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(distorted scream)
(static)
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While I wasn't thrilled about her interest,
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I didn't really see the harm in it either.
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We never thought
for a moment that she...
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She could possibly believe
that it was real.
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When I was
Morgan's age, I--
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I remember
biking home from the library
with Stephen King's "It."
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You know, so I liked
that sort of thing too
when I was her age,
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and I think most kids
her age do like scary stories
and horror movies and...
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scary stories
on the Internet, you know?
So, that's all that we--
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that's all that
we thought that it was.
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I just can't imagine her...
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I can't imagine her coming up
with that plan on her own.
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♪ My bonnie... ♪
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♪ My bonnie lies
over the ocean ♪
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♪ My bonnie
lies over the sea ♪
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♪ My bonnie lies
over the ocean ♪
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♪ So bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
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(birds chirping)
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♪ Bring back, bring back ♪
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♪ Oh, bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
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♪ Bring back! ♪
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♪ Bring back ♪
♪ Back ♪
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♪ Oh, bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
♪ Bonnie... me ♪
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(mouse clicking)
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Bill Weier: She losta tooth, so the tooth fairygave her a dollar.
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It was that tooth.
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I was telling her--
I was like, "A dollar?"
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I said,
"I only ever got quarters
from the tooth fairy."
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(chuckles)
She was happy.
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The tooth fairy
gave her a dollar.
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(mouse clicks)
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This was
the last video
I have.
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This was at the end of her
sixth grade year for school.
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Choir:
♪ Hush, hush,
somebody's callin' my name ♪
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♪ Hush! Somebody's
callin' my name ♪
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♪ Hush, hush,
somebody's callin' my name ♪
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♪ Oh my Lord, oh my Lord,
what should I do? ♪
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(Bill sighs)
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Yes, this is Anissa's
very pink bedroom.
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At the time
that we painted this,
pink was the thing.
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(purring)
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Anissa's his person.
Tiger is Anissa's cat.
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After Anissa left...
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he would come up here
and he'd spend a lot of time
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just walking around,
nosing around,
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looking for Anissa.
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You know, nobody uses...
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the bed while she's gone.
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I don't know,
maybe the cat does, but...
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I guess it just made more sense
to take everything apart
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and wash it
and when she comes home,
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it's all clean
and ready to go.
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It's just a matter of when.
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She would come
in here to practice choir.
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She did projects
that she would have to FaceTime
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with two or three
different kids
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from this flight academy class
she was in.
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'Cause I'd pop in
on a regular basis.
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I'd just you know,
"What are you doing?"
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I see a face on the iPad.
"Okay, who are you talking to?"
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You know, "What are
you guys working on?"
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And then you know, most days...
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you know, 7:30, "Anissa,
you're done with your iPad.
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Shut it down,
come downstairs,
be with your family."
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And she never argued.
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People have asked me if I saw
any signs in my daughter
and this and that.
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And I'm just like,
"No. I knew what
she was doing in here.
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Because when she wasn't doing
her choir practice,
that door was open."
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You know, all of the kids--
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not just Anissa,
all of them--
they know...
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there's no closed doors
in this house unless you're...
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fresh out of the shower
or getting ready for bed.
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So...
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for people to say...
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I wasn't involved...
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Apart from sitting
in the corner and watching
every move she makes,
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I don't know how much
more involved I could've been.
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♪ ♪
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My focus is Anissa...
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not Slenderman.
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♪ ♪
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(cameras clicking)
(chains clinking)
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Forensics man on video:
And what is your name?
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Anissa Weier.
Anissa, okay.
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(camera clicking)
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Okay, Just kind of...
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give me a look.
Give me a look.
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♪ ♪
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(man whispers)
Morgan.
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How you doing?
Morgan:
Fine.
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Man:
Come on up.
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(forensics man speaking on video)
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(Morgan speaks)
Morgan, all right.
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(people whispering)
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(Morgan speakson video)
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(Casey speaking)
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(Morgan speaking)
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(Casey speaks)
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(Anissa speaks)
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(Trussoni speaks)
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Hmm.
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Okay.
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Bailiff:
All rise, please.
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Judge Bohren:
I thank you. Please be seated.
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Court will call the matter,
State of Wisconsin versus
Morgan E. Geyser
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and also State versus
Anissa E. Weier.
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Good morning.
The case is here today
on a number of matters.
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The first matter
I'll address is the issue
of... competency.
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(Trussoni speaking on video)
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(Anissa speaks)
They're glad--
they're--
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(crying)
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(Casey speaking)
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(Morgan speaks)
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(Morgan speaks on video) (Casey speaks)
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Morgan on video:
Uhh...
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(matter-of-factly)
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(Trussoni speaks)
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(crying)
So...
♪ ♪
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(no discernible dialog)
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There was a sleepover
the prior night
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for Morgan's 12th birthday.
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We knew that
there was Anissa, Morgan,
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and a third girl
that we've never met...
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and that they were all
at Morgan's house.
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Angie:
Morgan and Anissa have only known each other
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since they started sixth grade.
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They met because they-- they rode the same bus.
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♪ ♪
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We were so happy
that Morgan had made
a good friend
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so-- so close, someone else
in the neighborhood.
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(sniffles) We were--
we were so happy for her...
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to have someone
to play with.
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♪ ♪
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(Trussoni speaks on video)
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(sniffles)
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Uh-huh.
Okay.
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My name is Bella,
and I was nominated
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to do the Ice Bucket Challenge
for ALS by...
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Morgan and Bella have known
each other since kindergarten,
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and they've been best friends
since fourth grade.
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Man:
Are you guys ready?
I guess.
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Man: Let's go.
One, two, three.
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One, two, three.
(woman moans)
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(screams)
Oh my god!
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(Casey speaking)
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(Morgan speaks)
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Umm...
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(crying)
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Okay.
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♪ ♪
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(Anissa speakingon video)
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(Casey speaks)
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(Morgan speaks)
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(Trussoni speaks on video)
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Anissa:
Umm...
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♪ ♪
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(clears throat)
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♪ ♪
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(Anissa speaking)
340
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(Morgan speaks
matter-of-factly)
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(sniffles)
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♪ ♪
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(Skype startup noise)
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(ringing)
345
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,173
Irene:
Hello, Dr. Zipes!
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I-- I don't have--
I-- uh, wait.
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00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,181
(clicks)
Hello?
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00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:24,850
Actually, the quality
seems fine on my end.
349
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And yeah, my Skype is
just not having it today.
350
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You-- have we started now?
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Irene:
Yes, yes.
When-- when did we start?
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00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:35,778
Man: Hello.
Hello.
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Man:
How are you?
Good.
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00:27:37,573 --> 00:27:38,989
Man:
Who are you
Skyping with?
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00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:41,867
Someone-- I'm getting
interviewed for a documentary.
356
00:27:41,911 --> 00:27:45,704
Okay, then--
what-- so let's start--
start with the question then.
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♪ ♪
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Trevor Blank:
Slenderman is the modern-day boogeyman.
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Because it's faceless,
because it's quiet,
360
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because it doesn't speak words,
361
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it's open to a lot of interpretation
362
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and open to a lot of possibilities and to a lot of projection.
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It varies from person to person
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as to what Slenderman actually is.
365
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♪ ♪
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He's the creature that lives in my closet.
367
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He's the guy in the windowless white van.
368
00:28:31,085 --> 00:28:34,711
The faceless stranger who kidnaps kids.
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It encapsulates, symbolically,
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a lot of these other kind of societal fears
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that we've had for ages and ages
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and kind of conveniently wraps them up
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and makes it really malleable.
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Because, really, Slenderman can be whomever you want him to be.
375
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:06,535
(mouse clicks)
376
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:09,204
♪ ♪
377
00:29:09,248 --> 00:29:11,707
(keyboard clacking)
378
00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:38,609
(mouse clicks)
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Blank:
We can empirically look back
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and find out where Slenderman was created.
381
00:29:54,043 --> 00:29:56,835
It was created in 2009 by Eric Knudsen
382
00:29:56,879 --> 00:29:58,879
under the screen name "Victor Surge"
383
00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:00,923
as part of a Photoshop contest
384
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:02,216
to try to create something
385
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:04,218
that looked real that really wasn't.
386
00:30:06,555 --> 00:30:10,390
Brad Kim:
Urban legends on the Internethas been a thing for decades.
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♪ ♪
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There was already a base audience
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that was ready
for a globalized project
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to kind of build a myth.
391
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It actually began with the games
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that spun off from Slenderman.
393
00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:29,159
♪ ♪
394
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It's so heavily visually oriented
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00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:35,582
that it's replicable
without really having
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00:30:35,626 --> 00:30:38,293
to understand
too much cultural context.
397
00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:40,837
(footsteps)
(crickets chirping)
398
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:42,589
Kim:
And from there,
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it spread to every available platform
400
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,803
and medium on the web.
401
00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:50,305
Tumblr...
402
00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:52,307
DeviantArt...
403
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:55,227
YouTube...
404
00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:57,604
and also the 4chan's Paranormal Board.
405
00:30:58,566 --> 00:31:00,065
All of these websites have
406
00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:05,445
a really strong affinity with fan art in general.
407
00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:08,699
(mouse clicks)
(man breathes heavily,
speaks German)
408
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:13,370
(speaks German)
409
00:31:15,332 --> 00:31:17,124
"Slender is coming"?
410
00:31:19,169 --> 00:31:20,210
(speaks German)
411
00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,339
Kim: YouTube was the international hub
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for non-English speakers
413
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:28,719
to kind of break their way
into the myth.
414
00:31:28,762 --> 00:31:30,345
(man speaks Spanish)
415
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:31,847
(man 2 speaks Spanish)
416
00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:34,641
(man 2 breathing hard)
417
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:35,851
(speaks Spanish)
418
00:31:39,023 --> 00:31:40,856
(Kike speaks)
419
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,191
(grunts)
(distortion)
420
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:47,571
(retches)
(mouse clicks)
421
00:31:47,615 --> 00:31:49,656
♪ ♪
422
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,409
Kim:
Creepypasta is this generic term
423
00:31:52,453 --> 00:31:54,536
for horror stories
that gets copied
424
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:55,996
then pasted because it's good.
425
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,291
As it spreads, people start tweaking
426
00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:02,252
some parts of the story or pick up where they left off.
427
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:06,840
These are stories that branched out
428
00:32:06,884 --> 00:32:10,761
of the main canon
of Slenderman.
(mouse clicks)
429
00:32:10,804 --> 00:32:13,972
(piano music playing)
430
00:32:14,016 --> 00:32:16,266
Woman:
"Oh, should I travel through the woods,
431
00:32:18,562 --> 00:32:21,021
"Or should I not wishing I would?
432
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,275
"For above me lurks within the trees
433
00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:29,571
"No one could hear my deathly screams
434
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:34,409
"The palest man, the blackest suit
435
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,745
"Bigger than the tallest brute
436
00:32:40,668 --> 00:32:43,168
"Six black arms will grab you up
437
00:32:43,212 --> 00:32:45,629
"Or stalk you till you just give up
438
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:51,218
"He'll leave your body not to eat
439
00:32:51,261 --> 00:32:55,097
But to staple your corpse upon a tree."
440
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,307
(static)
441
00:32:57,351 --> 00:33:01,478
"Fear the man, the Slenderman
442
00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:03,897
For he can do what no one can."
443
00:33:03,941 --> 00:33:05,607
♪ ♪
444
00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,655
Blank:
Slenderman kind of represents an opportunity
445
00:33:11,699 --> 00:33:15,409
to see where people
are nervous
446
00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,577
about certain things
and what excites them
447
00:33:17,621 --> 00:33:20,539
and what brings them together,
because it changes.
448
00:33:20,582 --> 00:33:22,457
It changes based
on who's telling the story.
449
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,668
♪ ♪
450
00:33:28,716 --> 00:33:30,340
Often in the adult world
451
00:33:30,384 --> 00:33:32,801
we forget how much it sucks to be a kid.
452
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:37,806
Slenderman can also be seen as a guardian angel.
453
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:44,020
Slenderman is the Grim Reaper
454
00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:45,814
but with a heart.
455
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:51,862
These pictures are not so much him showing up
456
00:33:51,905 --> 00:33:54,865
on the playground to snatch kids away, but to rescue them.
457
00:34:01,248 --> 00:34:02,998
Stories like this can be
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00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:05,417
a powerful aphrodisiac for--
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00:34:05,461 --> 00:34:08,837
for somebody who is lonely or is troubled,
460
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:10,672
or is trying to find their way in the world.
461
00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,008
♪ ♪
462
00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:19,598
Slenderman has
this entire community
of people online
463
00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,600
who are feeding
into the narrative
464
00:34:21,643 --> 00:34:23,018
and creating
their own versions of it.
465
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,979
It's constantly--
it's exponentially growing.
466
00:34:26,023 --> 00:34:28,815
♪ ♪
467
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:36,072
Richard Dawkins:
That's the definition of a good meme.
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00:34:38,577 --> 00:34:40,494
In human culture,
469
00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:44,873
if it's copied
from one brain to another,
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00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:46,082
that's a meme.
471
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:47,584
Hi, my name is Valerie,
472
00:34:47,628 --> 00:34:50,128
and I've decided to do
the Ice Bucket Challenge.
473
00:34:50,172 --> 00:34:52,923
I'm doing the ALS
Ice Bucket Challenge.
474
00:34:52,966 --> 00:34:57,010
I'm here to join
the people bringing attention
to Lou Gehrig's disease.
475
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:03,558
Dawkins:
It can be an idea.
476
00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:07,187
It can be a tune.
It can be a style of dancing.
477
00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:09,272
Woman: Tired?
Cameraman:
What do you think he's doing?
478
00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:11,274
Planking.
Cameraman:
Oh, you know?
479
00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:12,692
Woman:
Yeah, I do.
Cameraman: Yes!
480
00:35:12,736 --> 00:35:15,153
Woman:
I am from the Internet.
(men laugh)
481
00:35:15,197 --> 00:35:17,197
Dawkins:
The Internet provides
482
00:35:17,241 --> 00:35:20,033
a very, very fast, efficient, universal,
483
00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:23,954
worldwide medium for memes to spread.
484
00:35:23,997 --> 00:35:25,288
That'll never catch on.
485
00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:27,290
(anchors laugh)
No doubt.
486
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:31,503
Dawkins:
There may be some memes that spread
487
00:35:31,547 --> 00:35:35,882
like a very rapid epidemic and then die away.
488
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:39,469
But others may have
strong persistence.
489
00:35:39,513 --> 00:35:41,763
(humming)
490
00:35:45,227 --> 00:35:49,604
People arecaptivatedby Slenderman
491
00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:55,485
and wish to pass on images or to modify images of him.
492
00:35:55,529 --> 00:35:56,611
(distortion, static)
493
00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:02,117
This horrifying story
of two girls who thought
494
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,953
that it was
their duty to Slenderman
to go and kill someone.
495
00:36:06,874 --> 00:36:08,623
Well, that's what I call power.
496
00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:14,504
That's very substantial power,very horrific power.
497
00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:18,133
(static)
498
00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:27,642
(clicking)
499
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:32,439
Jack Zipes:
Unconsciously, Slenderman stems
500
00:36:32,482 --> 00:36:35,483
from a tradition that-- that goes way, way back.
501
00:36:39,823 --> 00:36:45,118
To a great extent,
the Brothers Grimm
collected tales that deal
502
00:36:45,162 --> 00:36:50,165
with what I would call
universal human struggles
503
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,250
that we continue
to have today.
504
00:36:52,294 --> 00:36:54,169
I think that's
one of the reasons
505
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,881
why people are
responding to this tale,
506
00:36:57,925 --> 00:36:59,507
and they're telling
their own versions,
507
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:01,134
their own horror stories
508
00:37:01,178 --> 00:37:04,638
about what is happening in the world today.
509
00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:09,517
Slenderman is a tale about a character,
510
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:13,355
a strange weird character,
who may feed upon children.
511
00:37:14,942 --> 00:37:16,816
It made me think of a legend
512
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:19,277
that Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm collected
513
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:22,489
called "The Pied Piper of Hamelin."
514
00:37:25,118 --> 00:37:30,330
Many years ago a town was being devastated by rats--
515
00:37:30,374 --> 00:37:32,540
in the gutters... on the streets...
516
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:34,709
in the cellars.
517
00:37:37,714 --> 00:37:39,673
The Pied Piper comes out of nowhere.
518
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:44,177
And he's a very odd, strange-looking person,
519
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,472
but he has a flute
520
00:37:47,516 --> 00:37:50,767
or some type of pipe that he plays.
521
00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:58,024
The man said,"If you want me to get ridof the rats, you must pay me."
522
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:01,111
So they said, "Yes, as much as you want
523
00:38:01,154 --> 00:38:03,154
if you can get rid of the rats."
524
00:38:03,198 --> 00:38:07,200
The Piper began blowing on the pipe.
525
00:38:07,244 --> 00:38:09,661
The rats began following.
526
00:38:09,705 --> 00:38:11,538
♪ ♪
527
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:21,047
The Piper had all the rats jump into the river.
528
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:28,763
But the mayor and the councilmen cheat him.
529
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:30,890
And the Piper said, "You know,
530
00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,059
"there are other tunes I can pipe
531
00:38:33,103 --> 00:38:35,186
"and ways that I can repay you
532
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,355
in a way that you will never forget."
533
00:38:37,399 --> 00:38:39,733
♪ ♪
534
00:38:42,279 --> 00:38:45,071
So the Piper took his pipe to his lips again
535
00:38:45,115 --> 00:38:47,449
and he began piping.
(children playing)
536
00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:52,454
The people froze, but the children followed him.
537
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:58,460
There was an opening,
538
00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:01,629
a sudden opening in the mountain.
539
00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:05,800
And all the children headed toward this opening.
540
00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:08,970
And as the last one entered,
541
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,556
the mountain closed,
542
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,934
and the Piper went inside as well.
543
00:39:18,148 --> 00:39:19,564
(booms)
544
00:39:21,443 --> 00:39:26,321
Depending on the times and the person who is telling their version
545
00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,198
of "The Pied Piper,"
546
00:39:28,241 --> 00:39:30,325
he can be many different things.
547
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,659
(squeaking)
(stomps)
548
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:33,995
(polka music plays)
549
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,499
(lively music plays)
550
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,710
(hypnotic music plays)
551
00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:44,547
So he is
a very mysterious figure.
552
00:39:44,591 --> 00:39:47,926
We don't know
whether he's evil or good.
553
00:39:47,969 --> 00:39:51,304
We don't know
whether he's going to do
anything to these children.
554
00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:53,223
The children never return.
555
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:55,058
Nobody ever hears about them.
556
00:39:55,102 --> 00:39:58,645
(ominous music playing)
557
00:40:04,111 --> 00:40:06,027
But the Pied Piper does live on.
558
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:36,933
♪ ♪
559
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:46,192
(Casey speaks)
560
00:40:50,782 --> 00:40:52,407
(Morgan speaks)
561
00:40:55,078 --> 00:40:56,411
Umm...
562
00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:03,418
(car driving)
563
00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:05,461
(Angie sighs)
564
00:41:05,505 --> 00:41:08,715
It's almost like she was living a whole nother life inside her head
565
00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:12,302
that we just--
that we just didn't know about.
566
00:41:19,394 --> 00:41:22,437
It's hard with kids because...
567
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,815
they don't necessarily
know how to differentiate
568
00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:29,235
between fantasy
and reality to begin with.
569
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:32,614
So, it's just hard to know...
570
00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:34,657
where-- where to draw the line.
571
00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:36,451
Where does that become...
572
00:41:37,996 --> 00:41:39,120
abnormal?
573
00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:43,082
So even though, you know,
574
00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:45,585
looking back,
maybe there were some signs.
575
00:41:47,339 --> 00:41:49,297
It's everything in retrospect.
576
00:41:59,809 --> 00:42:03,811
It's been two months
to the day on the calendar
577
00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:08,816
that she's been
in Washington County
Juvenile Detention Center.
578
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:11,236
The first day was rough.
579
00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:12,487
You know, you get in there...
580
00:42:14,366 --> 00:42:17,951
you have to learn
all your check-in procedures
and everything.
581
00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:23,456
You know, you get back there,
and you don't know
what to expect.
582
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,751
There's you,
there's a pane of glass
with metal bars behind it,
583
00:42:26,795 --> 00:42:29,629
and then...
there's our daughter.
584
00:42:29,673 --> 00:42:31,172
That's how it works.
585
00:42:35,512 --> 00:42:37,470
(Trussoni speaks)
586
00:42:37,514 --> 00:42:39,013
(Anissa speaks)
587
00:43:00,203 --> 00:43:01,369
(mouse clicks)
588
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:05,164
(mouse wheel clicking)
589
00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,389
(clicks)
(clatters)
590
00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:25,018
(keyboard clacks)
591
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,066
(mouse clicks)
592
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:35,653
♪ ♪
This is the first time
we are trying this.
593
00:43:35,697 --> 00:43:38,197
We got him something.
He doesn't know yet.
594
00:43:38,241 --> 00:43:40,325
It's a little mouse.
You can see him in there.
595
00:43:40,368 --> 00:43:43,828
You ready?
It's the circle of life, okay?
596
00:43:43,872 --> 00:43:45,913
Right, Cole?
Yep.
597
00:43:45,957 --> 00:43:48,124
It's just like
"The Lion King."
(laughs) Yeah.
598
00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:49,375
Woman:
Let's see how he reacts.
599
00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:52,128
It's the same color as the--
as the bathtub.
600
00:43:52,172 --> 00:43:55,757
Look, baby.
Look, baby, look.
601
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,425
See if he notices it.
602
00:44:00,805 --> 00:44:01,846
(mouse clicks)
603
00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:04,474
(heavy metal music playing)
604
00:44:23,328 --> 00:44:26,120
(music stops)
Man: My voice is
going to take you
605
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:29,082
to a very calm
and peaceful place.
606
00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:33,336
♪ ♪
(distortion, static)
607
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:34,879
Man:
So this part,
608
00:44:34,923 --> 00:44:38,132
striking into
any soft tissue
in the body--
609
00:44:38,176 --> 00:44:40,301
the eyes, the cheeks,
610
00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:41,803
cut right through the blood
611
00:44:41,846 --> 00:44:43,179
and air vessels into the throat,
612
00:44:43,223 --> 00:44:44,764
get it in and out,
in and out, in and out.
613
00:44:44,808 --> 00:44:47,016
Kids:
Meow, meow, meow!
614
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,434
Man:
So with the first one,
why do you think
615
00:44:48,478 --> 00:44:50,812
the pig passed out
when the kitten was put on it?
616
00:44:52,107 --> 00:44:54,232
(mouse clicking)
Woman:
He's playing with it.
617
00:44:54,275 --> 00:44:59,153
♪ Dog goes woof,
cat goes meow,
bird goes-- ♪
618
00:44:59,197 --> 00:45:02,031
Ah! Why do you
stick a baby
619
00:45:02,075 --> 00:45:05,535
in the blender
feet first?
620
00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:08,413
(demonic voice) So you can see
the expression on it's face.
621
00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:10,832
(maniacal laughter)
622
00:45:13,169 --> 00:45:15,211
(mouse clicks)
(helicopter whirring)
623
00:45:16,214 --> 00:45:17,296
(keyboard clacks)
624
00:45:30,603 --> 00:45:33,146
(mouse clicks)
(music plays)
625
00:45:33,189 --> 00:45:35,356
Shh.
(pounds)
626
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:37,984
(slurping)
627
00:45:44,576 --> 00:45:46,826
I don't know if I should say,
"I hope you enjoyed it,"
628
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:48,786
but there's the circle
of life for you.
629
00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:51,622
Talk to you later.
Thanks for watching.
630
00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:53,124
♪ ♪
631
00:45:53,168 --> 00:45:54,208
(mouse clicks)
632
00:45:57,380 --> 00:46:00,256
♪ ♪
633
00:46:05,555 --> 00:46:07,680
(water dripping)
634
00:46:16,357 --> 00:46:18,399
Kristi:
Ever since she got that iPad,
635
00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:22,361
she liked to spend
a lot of private time
up in her room and...
636
00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:25,239
she watched a lot
of things that were...
637
00:46:27,619 --> 00:46:29,202
funny to her.
638
00:46:29,245 --> 00:46:31,787
Nothing that
was gross,
639
00:46:31,831 --> 00:46:36,042
or depressing,
and emotionally degrading...
640
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:41,756
She liked--
that iPad just gave her a way
641
00:46:43,384 --> 00:46:46,469
kind of not to--
to socialize with the family.
642
00:46:47,472 --> 00:46:49,263
And I totally...
643
00:46:51,392 --> 00:46:52,808
regret the iPad.
644
00:46:54,229 --> 00:46:58,272
Anissa showed me
a picture once.
645
00:46:58,316 --> 00:46:59,941
She was in her bedroom,
646
00:46:59,984 --> 00:47:02,902
and I went up to see
what she was doing,
and I looked.
647
00:47:02,946 --> 00:47:05,905
It was a pictureof this Slenderman character
648
00:47:05,949 --> 00:47:07,406
and Jack Skellington.
649
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:09,825
♪ ♪
650
00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:15,790
At the time,it doesn't seem to be anythinginherently dangerous.
651
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:19,460
I had no inklings
that I would need
to research this further.
652
00:47:20,672 --> 00:47:22,046
The iPads will be moving
653
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:24,507
into elementary school levels
this year.
654
00:47:24,551 --> 00:47:28,803
So, at least,
our fifth-grade son is going
to be coming home with one.
655
00:47:30,306 --> 00:47:31,472
His own.
656
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:40,982
Tom Haynes:
So this is the yearbook
from Anissa's fifth grade year.
657
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,069
(chuckles)
And this is what Anissa wrote.
658
00:47:45,113 --> 00:47:47,780
it says, "You're like
a second dad to me."
659
00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,783
So that was really sweet.
660
00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,119
It's kind of tough
looking back on it,
661
00:47:53,162 --> 00:47:56,455
'cause if she felt that strong,
you know, just...
662
00:47:59,002 --> 00:48:00,376
maybe I could have done
something else.
663
00:48:05,967 --> 00:48:10,595
Anissa was definitely one of the biggest outliers I've had
664
00:48:10,638 --> 00:48:14,974
just because she had no solid connections
665
00:48:15,018 --> 00:48:18,311
with other 4th and 5th-graders.
666
00:48:18,354 --> 00:48:22,732
Anissa would definitely cry once every couple weeks, I would want to say.
667
00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:27,111
Mostly about... kids being mean to her at school.
668
00:48:27,155 --> 00:48:31,115
She wouldn't be able to contain herself in front of the whole class,
669
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,117
and sometimes she would just cry.
670
00:48:33,161 --> 00:48:35,036
So other kids
were aware of her...
671
00:48:36,372 --> 00:48:39,123
emotions,
and being upset.
672
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:41,959
And there's times
she would come in
from lunch/recess
673
00:48:42,003 --> 00:48:45,379
and cry about
not having friends.
674
00:48:47,425 --> 00:48:51,719
I've guessed that Anissa madea connection with Morgan
675
00:48:51,763 --> 00:48:54,347
and was happy that they both were into Slenderman,
676
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:56,307
was happy that she made a new friend,
677
00:48:56,351 --> 00:48:58,309
shared a connection, shared interest,
678
00:48:58,353 --> 00:49:02,229
and it may have spiraled
out of control from there.
679
00:49:02,273 --> 00:49:04,732
(classical score playing)
680
00:49:06,486 --> 00:49:09,904
(no discernible dialog)
681
00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:29,090
(mouse clicks)
(keyboard clacks)
682
00:49:30,593 --> 00:49:32,885
♪ ♪
683
00:49:35,056 --> 00:49:37,390
Abigail Baird:
You couldn't set up a better system to fail
684
00:49:37,433 --> 00:49:39,558
In terms of "No one
at school likes you,
685
00:49:39,602 --> 00:49:41,602
"but here's this
open-ended monster
686
00:49:41,646 --> 00:49:43,229
who will embrace you."
687
00:49:44,565 --> 00:49:46,732
The worst time to be socially isolated
688
00:49:46,776 --> 00:49:51,153
is the time when your brain and body are begging for camaraderie,
689
00:49:51,197 --> 00:49:54,031
for kinship, which is adolescence.
690
00:49:54,075 --> 00:49:55,950
It's the hardest time to be alone.
691
00:49:57,286 --> 00:49:59,495
I think in the absence of social contact,
692
00:49:59,539 --> 00:50:02,164
the Internet can sometimes serve
693
00:50:02,208 --> 00:50:05,084
as a peer in a way, or a peer group.
694
00:50:06,796 --> 00:50:09,839
Those two girls in a tight-knit group of eight friends,
695
00:50:09,882 --> 00:50:11,549
I don't think this would've happened,
696
00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:13,592
because they wouldn't have only been talking to each other
697
00:50:13,636 --> 00:50:15,261
and they wouldn't have been relying so heavily
698
00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:17,096
on information from the Internet.
699
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,143
(engine starts)
700
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:39,660
Kristi:
Bill and I separated in the summer of 2012.
701
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:45,791
It was my decision. I asked for a divorce.
702
00:50:45,835 --> 00:50:47,960
But when a situation got really bad,
703
00:50:48,004 --> 00:50:51,046
he was willing to still be there and stuff.
704
00:51:05,688 --> 00:51:08,397
(turn signal clicking)
705
00:51:09,984 --> 00:51:11,984
She's not allowed to see her brother or sister.
706
00:51:12,028 --> 00:51:16,155
She's not allowed to see any aunts or uncles, or cousins or anything,
707
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:19,408
so I wanted to have as many people
708
00:51:19,452 --> 00:51:21,869
as she could have as often as possible.
709
00:51:27,251 --> 00:51:31,879
I try to bring her mentally
out of the environment
710
00:51:31,923 --> 00:51:36,175
and try to bring her
some sunshine in her day.
711
00:51:36,219 --> 00:51:39,053
But then when I leave,
I kind of feel...
712
00:51:42,058 --> 00:51:46,477
I feel happy
that I was able to see her
713
00:51:46,521 --> 00:51:51,357
and... make her smile
for a few minutes in a day.
714
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,651
But on the other hand,
I'm still kind of sad
715
00:51:53,694 --> 00:51:57,404
that I'm leaving
without my daughter, and...
716
00:51:59,033 --> 00:52:03,994
The drive home is
sometimes heart-breaking...
717
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:08,123
but... I know
that I'll be coming up
718
00:52:08,167 --> 00:52:09,834
and seeing her
in a couple days anyways,
719
00:52:09,877 --> 00:52:12,336
and I'll just repeat
the performance and--
720
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:18,384
(sniffles)
and hopefully, someday,
this might be my last trip
721
00:52:18,427 --> 00:52:20,803
and-- and...
722
00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:24,473
And then
she'll be home for good.
723
00:52:24,517 --> 00:52:27,309
But that might be
a while off.
724
00:52:32,817 --> 00:52:35,150
(musical ringtone plays)
725
00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:38,237
Computer: You have
a prepaid call from...
Anissa: Anissa...
726
00:52:38,281 --> 00:52:41,490
Computer: An inmate at...
Man:
Washington County Jail.
727
00:52:41,534 --> 00:52:43,033
Computer:
This call will be recorded
728
00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:45,369
and subject
to monitoring
at any time.
729
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:47,454
You may begin speaking now.
730
00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:48,789
(Anissa speaks)
731
00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:51,292
Hello, Anissa.
So, how was your day?
732
00:52:56,799 --> 00:52:57,923
Yeah?
733
00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:00,509
Define "pretty good."
734
00:53:13,441 --> 00:53:14,815
Do you know
who's sitting here?
735
00:53:16,569 --> 00:53:18,986
Yep, Tyler's sitting here.
Tyler: Hi!
736
00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:21,697
(Bill laughs)
How are you?
737
00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:26,160
I've been...
738
00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:29,330
pretty good
despite the cold.
739
00:53:30,333 --> 00:53:31,665
Hi, Ani!
740
00:53:33,586 --> 00:53:34,668
(laughs)
741
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:36,670
What's up?
742
00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:46,639
Anissa! Anissa.
743
00:53:48,434 --> 00:53:50,100
We can all tell
you're a little spun up.
744
00:53:50,144 --> 00:53:52,186
Are you excited
to be talking to everybody?
745
00:53:53,606 --> 00:53:54,688
Yeah?
746
00:54:09,997 --> 00:54:12,539
Hey, hey hey! Anissa!
(laughter)
747
00:54:14,919 --> 00:54:16,669
Dial it back a notch.
748
00:54:16,712 --> 00:54:20,881
So, besides what
you've already like mentioned,
749
00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,383
what's up with you?
750
00:54:35,982 --> 00:54:37,064
Okay.
751
00:54:38,484 --> 00:54:40,442
Anissa: Yeah.
Just don't smile too much.
752
00:54:40,486 --> 00:54:41,652
Computer:
One minute remaining.
753
00:54:41,696 --> 00:54:43,278
All right,
we've got one minute,
754
00:54:43,322 --> 00:54:44,905
so you have a good night.
755
00:54:47,368 --> 00:54:49,326
Love you too.
756
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:53,288
All right?
And I will see you tomorrow.
757
00:54:53,332 --> 00:54:56,792
So-- all right.
Computer: Thank you
for using IC solutions.
758
00:54:56,836 --> 00:54:58,043
Goodbye.
And there you have it.
759
00:54:59,046 --> 00:55:00,796
♪ ♪
760
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:37,249
(Tiger meows)
761
00:55:48,471 --> 00:55:51,346
♪ ♪
762
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:57,603
(murmuring)
763
00:56:05,529 --> 00:56:07,821
(chains clinking)
764
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:12,117
(cameras clicking)
765
00:56:29,762 --> 00:56:33,263
the whole Slenderman thing...
766
00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:36,642
started because Anissa never talked about anything like that.
767
00:56:36,685 --> 00:56:40,354
Nobody ever talked about Slenderman.
768
00:56:40,397 --> 00:56:44,191
Unless she was, like,
constantly Internet surfing,
769
00:56:44,235 --> 00:56:47,903
she never really showed me
anything that was bad...
770
00:56:49,281 --> 00:56:52,157
or anything scary.
771
00:56:52,201 --> 00:56:55,619
She-- she is
easily frightened, though.
772
00:56:55,663 --> 00:56:58,622
(woman coughs)
(camera clicking)
773
00:56:58,666 --> 00:57:03,293
Maybe she did it
because she wanted
to be noticed.
774
00:57:03,337 --> 00:57:06,672
Because, honestly,
at her school
775
00:57:06,715 --> 00:57:09,967
I didn't know that
she didn't have many friends.
776
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:13,804
She told me
that she had lots of friends,
lots of guys liked her,
777
00:57:13,848 --> 00:57:16,473
and a bunch of--
and she was accepted,
778
00:57:16,517 --> 00:57:18,934
and she was having
a great time at school.
779
00:57:18,978 --> 00:57:23,063
But... she was constantly picked on,
780
00:57:23,107 --> 00:57:27,901
and she never really fit in.
She was a follower.
781
00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:31,572
Bailiff:
All rise.
782
00:57:34,201 --> 00:57:35,868
Bohren:
Okay, thank you.
Please be seated.
783
00:57:37,288 --> 00:57:40,414
Maggie:
I think some kids are just...
784
00:57:41,876 --> 00:57:43,417
big believers.
785
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:46,753
They can't help but believe
everything they hear.
786
00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:53,135
(rustles)
787
00:57:53,179 --> 00:57:55,012
Officer: Do you swear
to tell the truth,
the whole truth,
788
00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:56,555
and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
789
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:58,765
Yes, I do.
Attorney:
In this case
790
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:02,561
were you assigned
to interview the victim,
Payton Leutner?
791
00:58:02,605 --> 00:58:04,021
Yes, I was.
792
00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:07,399
Attorney:
At some point, your discussion
got into the area
793
00:58:07,443 --> 00:58:10,319
of a birthday party
that was planned for Morgan?
794
00:58:10,362 --> 00:58:12,529
Payton said that
the birthday party
795
00:58:12,573 --> 00:58:14,740
had been planned
for several weeks,
796
00:58:14,783 --> 00:58:17,242
and it was for May 30th,
797
00:58:17,286 --> 00:58:20,579
and that they had planned
to go do Skateland
798
00:58:20,623 --> 00:58:22,581
and sleep over
at Morgan's house.
799
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:25,959
Angie:
They were being normal little girls.
800
00:58:26,003 --> 00:58:27,502
They were running up and down the stairs,
801
00:58:27,546 --> 00:58:29,588
holding hands and giggling.
802
00:58:32,426 --> 00:58:33,467
There was no...
803
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:37,930
indication that anything
was-- was off
804
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:39,848
or that we had anything to--
805
00:58:42,394 --> 00:58:44,436
to be worried about.
806
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,522
After Skateland,
they came back to Morgan's house
807
00:58:47,566 --> 00:58:50,108
and they went
into the basement.
808
00:59:25,437 --> 00:59:27,562
(speaks matter-of-factly)
809
00:59:37,491 --> 00:59:39,032
And we-- we woke up
in the morning,
810
00:59:39,076 --> 00:59:43,578
and we had donuts
and strawberries
for breakfast,
811
00:59:43,622 --> 00:59:45,539
and everything
was very normal.
812
00:59:45,582 --> 00:59:47,499
The girls were laughing and...
813
00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:49,876
having a good time.
814
00:59:52,047 --> 00:59:54,881
And they asked
if they could go
to the park,
815
00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:56,842
and I didn't think
anything of it.
816
00:59:56,885 --> 00:59:58,844
I said, "Yeah, of course
you can go to the park."
817
00:59:58,887 --> 01:00:01,430
And, you know,
Morgan said goodbye
818
01:00:01,473 --> 01:00:03,056
and told me
she loved me.
819
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,184
♪ ♪
(breathes shakily)
820
01:00:15,571 --> 01:00:17,696
(Trussoni speaks)
821
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:19,114
(Anissa speaks)
822
01:00:28,792 --> 01:00:30,250
(Trussoni speaks)
823
01:00:30,294 --> 01:00:31,793
(Anissa speaks)
824
01:00:47,353 --> 01:00:51,063
After playing
on the playground
equipment for a while,
825
01:00:51,106 --> 01:00:54,983
they went into the bathroom,
all three of them.
826
01:00:55,027 --> 01:00:56,485
(Casey speaks on video)
827
01:00:57,488 --> 01:00:59,780
(Morgan speaks)
828
01:01:01,325 --> 01:01:02,449
(Casey speaks)
829
01:01:11,502 --> 01:01:14,294
(Anissa speakingon video)
830
01:01:20,636 --> 01:01:22,761
♪ ♪
831
01:01:47,121 --> 01:01:48,495
She didn't want
to go to sleep,
832
01:01:48,539 --> 01:01:51,164
so she didn't sit there
with her eyes closed,
833
01:01:51,208 --> 01:01:55,710
and at some point,
Anissa hit the front
of her head
834
01:01:55,754 --> 01:01:58,463
and caused the back
of her head to...
835
01:01:59,383 --> 01:02:00,674
slam against the wall.
836
01:02:12,187 --> 01:02:13,228
Basically.
837
01:02:24,116 --> 01:02:25,157
(Anissa speaks)
838
01:02:31,373 --> 01:02:35,709
And Morgan said,
"I thought we agreed that
you were going to do this."
839
01:02:36,712 --> 01:02:38,462
Attorney:
Did Payton tell you anything
840
01:02:38,505 --> 01:02:40,881
about what Payton
was thinking about that?
841
01:02:40,924 --> 01:02:43,884
I don't think she understood
what was going on.
842
01:02:44,803 --> 01:02:46,887
(Anissa speakingon video)
843
01:03:04,698 --> 01:03:06,072
(Trussoni speaking on video)
844
01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:13,205
(pulling tape)
845
01:03:14,958 --> 01:03:17,042
(gasps)
Thank you!
846
01:03:18,629 --> 01:03:22,214
Boy:
Hey, that's what I wanted.
Ooh.
847
01:03:22,257 --> 01:03:25,175
(boy gasps)
Angie: It's a super-fancy
touch screen one.
848
01:03:25,219 --> 01:03:29,054
I want that one.
It's already charged...
849
01:03:29,097 --> 01:03:31,056
and there's already
some books on it for you.
850
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:33,725
Wow.
(boy mumbles)
851
01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:37,646
Can we put it together?
852
01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:41,024
Mm-hmm. What do you think?
Pretty cool? Yeah?
853
01:03:41,068 --> 01:03:43,652
Angie:
I had the conversation with Morgan--
854
01:03:43,695 --> 01:03:47,197
the birds and the bees conversation.
855
01:03:47,241 --> 01:03:50,242
I explained about the changes that you go through during puberty,
856
01:03:50,285 --> 01:03:53,245
and I explained about getting your period.
857
01:03:53,288 --> 01:03:57,916
And I finish, and she looks at me, and she goes,
858
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,210
"Mommy,
I don't think
I believe you."
859
01:04:00,254 --> 01:04:03,338
(laughs)
"That doesn't really happen."
860
01:04:03,382 --> 01:04:06,091
(camera clicks, beeps)
861
01:04:06,134 --> 01:04:08,301
(Angie mutters)
Morgan:
Thank you!
862
01:04:08,345 --> 01:04:09,678
(Angie chuckles)You're welcome!
863
01:04:09,721 --> 01:04:11,096
(camera clicks, beeps)
864
01:04:11,139 --> 01:04:12,931
Angie:
Morgan did believe in Santa,
865
01:04:12,975 --> 01:04:15,475
the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny,
866
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:20,272
and actually believed in Santa until she was 11.
867
01:04:25,737 --> 01:04:27,779
(chuckles)
And I guess I just thought,
868
01:04:27,823 --> 01:04:30,824
"What parent
tells their child
that Santa's not real?
869
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:34,619
Who's-- who's in a hurry
for their child to grow up?"
870
01:04:34,663 --> 01:04:36,871
♪ ♪
871
01:04:47,342 --> 01:04:49,301
Tyler:
There are a lot of strange things
872
01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:52,137
in the world that we just can't explain.
873
01:04:54,558 --> 01:04:57,892
So we just make up things to try to help explain them.
874
01:04:59,438 --> 01:05:00,979
To believe in something--
875
01:05:01,023 --> 01:05:02,939
I don't know,
the Loch Ness Monster
876
01:05:02,983 --> 01:05:06,651
or the boogeyman--
isn't... that hard
877
01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:09,070
to believe that people
actually do believe it.
878
01:05:09,114 --> 01:05:11,615
♪ ♪
879
01:05:11,658 --> 01:05:17,037
You can't say for sure that it is real or not.
880
01:05:20,834 --> 01:05:25,462
And I do believe that they did believe
881
01:05:25,505 --> 01:05:27,631
that it was real.
882
01:05:27,674 --> 01:05:30,216
♪ ♪
883
01:05:37,976 --> 01:05:40,226
Jacqueline Woolley:
What is it about certain kinds of storybooks
884
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,896
that make kids more or less likely to believe that they're real?
885
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:47,317
What is it about aspects
of the Internet that affects
886
01:05:47,361 --> 01:05:49,736
whether kids think things
on it are real or not real?
887
01:05:52,032 --> 01:05:55,408
I think the concept of what's real has always been pretty messy.
888
01:05:57,746 --> 01:06:01,206
Technology is creating these new situations
889
01:06:01,249 --> 01:06:03,500
in which it's becoming even messier.
890
01:06:03,543 --> 01:06:07,712
♪ ♪
891
01:06:07,756 --> 01:06:10,590
These two girls, maybe they were both strong believers,
892
01:06:10,634 --> 01:06:12,717
but then the fact that they were both together
893
01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:15,887
was creating
an even stronger
context for belief.
894
01:06:26,566 --> 01:06:28,525
Sort of like "The Believers' Club."
895
01:06:28,568 --> 01:06:32,237
There's this big fear
that if I stop believing
I won't get the presents.
896
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,323
(static)
897
01:06:35,367 --> 01:06:37,909
What is the benefit of being a believer?
898
01:06:40,038 --> 01:06:43,248
Feeling like you're special, you're a part of something,
899
01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:47,127
that you can become a part of just by believing.
900
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:49,879
That's a lot easier than a lot of other clubs,
901
01:06:49,923 --> 01:06:51,798
you know, especially at that age.
902
01:06:51,842 --> 01:06:55,343
But all you need to do for the Slenderman club is just believe.
903
01:06:55,387 --> 01:06:58,596
♪ ♪
904
01:07:25,584 --> 01:07:28,042
Blank:
If there's one thing the cult of Slenderman is about,
905
01:07:28,086 --> 01:07:32,464
it's about making it all believable,
906
01:07:32,507 --> 01:07:35,508
especially by remaining unverifiable.
907
01:07:35,552 --> 01:07:39,637
And that's
really kind of how
folk belief works.
908
01:07:39,681 --> 01:07:42,348
Because you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
909
01:07:42,392 --> 01:07:45,018
that Slenderman is fake or real.
(mouse clicking)
910
01:08:16,301 --> 01:08:17,509
Boy:
Hey, guys, it's Shane.
911
01:08:17,552 --> 01:08:21,638
So, ever since I found out
about Slenderman,
912
01:08:21,681 --> 01:08:26,017
he's been haunting my dreams,
like every single dream.
913
01:08:26,061 --> 01:08:28,061
And I'm really scared,
914
01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:30,438
so I'm going to show you
a picture--
915
01:08:30,482 --> 01:08:34,734
I'm-- I'm just going to show you
some pictures that I got of him.
916
01:08:34,778 --> 01:08:35,985
There it is.
Look at this.
917
01:08:36,029 --> 01:08:37,487
Look right there
in the background.
918
01:08:37,531 --> 01:08:39,113
Right there.
Boy: See, it's Slenderman.
919
01:08:39,157 --> 01:08:41,199
Shane:
That's my-- that's my sister
when she was young.
920
01:08:41,243 --> 01:08:43,576
And then we found that
in the background.
921
01:08:44,871 --> 01:08:47,747
Oh, it's really scary.
Um, Bye.
922
01:08:49,292 --> 01:08:50,917
(mouse clicks)
(birds chirping)
923
01:08:50,961 --> 01:08:52,252
Cartwheel.
924
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:55,046
(boy clears throat)
Round off.
925
01:08:56,842 --> 01:08:59,592
Boy: Oh my god,
my stomach is killing me.
Back walkover.
926
01:09:00,971 --> 01:09:02,720
Crappy back walkover.
927
01:09:03,723 --> 01:09:05,890
Boy 2: Mine-- ugh.
Mine, too.
928
01:09:05,934 --> 01:09:07,267
Back walkover.
929
01:09:07,310 --> 01:09:10,436
(boy burps)
Oh my god.
930
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,315
Round off.
Boy: Sam, we need to do--
Sam, we need to do this later.
931
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:15,775
Can you go
a little bit longer?
932
01:09:15,819 --> 01:09:18,069
Boy:
No, we'll just stop
this one and then we'll...
933
01:09:18,113 --> 01:09:20,572
and then we'll just do
another one later,
934
01:09:20,615 --> 01:09:23,533
'cause my st--
oh my god, I feel like I'm
about to throw up right now.
935
01:09:23,577 --> 01:09:25,451
All right, just hurry up
and do one more.
936
01:09:28,915 --> 01:09:31,958
Boy:
What the fuck?
Oh my God! Run! Run!
937
01:09:32,002 --> 01:09:34,294
Run! Run!
Oh my god, run! No, run!
938
01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:36,838
(shouting)
939
01:09:36,882 --> 01:09:39,507
Hope:
The moment you know about him, he knows about you.
940
01:09:39,551 --> 01:09:42,093
(girl whimpers)
Boy: Oh my god,
I'm so scared right now.
941
01:09:42,137 --> 01:09:45,013
Hope:
Like there's no way to summon him,
942
01:09:45,056 --> 01:09:48,474
but there's no way to get him to, like, stop following you around.
943
01:09:49,352 --> 01:09:50,476
(mouse clicks)
944
01:09:51,980 --> 01:09:54,480
I remember when I was like 13,
945
01:09:54,524 --> 01:09:56,983
one of my birthday parties,
we had this big plan
946
01:09:57,027 --> 01:09:59,944
me and three of my friends
were all going to get together,
947
01:09:59,988 --> 01:10:01,154
we were going to bring
our cameras
948
01:10:01,197 --> 01:10:02,530
and sneak out into the woods
949
01:10:02,574 --> 01:10:04,365
and try to find him
with our cameras.
950
01:10:04,409 --> 01:10:06,451
And I was out there
for like two hours.
951
01:10:07,579 --> 01:10:09,287
If I encountered him...
952
01:10:10,457 --> 01:10:12,874
I would explain myself
and be like,
953
01:10:12,918 --> 01:10:14,208
"I don't think
you're that bad.
954
01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:16,294
"Personally, I think
you're kind of cool.
955
01:10:16,338 --> 01:10:18,087
I wouldn't mind doing
what you're doing."
956
01:10:18,131 --> 01:10:20,006
♪ ♪
957
01:10:22,052 --> 01:10:24,636
Since I had no social life back then,
958
01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:27,305
basically my whole life was on the Internet.
959
01:10:27,349 --> 01:10:30,850
And since it was there, like, 24/7...
960
01:10:32,562 --> 01:10:36,439
I would just gradually getmore and more attached to it.
961
01:10:36,483 --> 01:10:39,567
And the thing that kept coming up would be Slenderman.
962
01:10:44,115 --> 01:10:47,825
Back then I believed,
like every fiber in my body,
he was real.
963
01:10:47,869 --> 01:10:49,369
♪ ♪
964
01:10:49,412 --> 01:10:51,829
(footsteps)
965
01:10:54,501 --> 01:10:55,458
(mouse clicks)
966
01:10:55,502 --> 01:10:58,211
All right,
and the game
has started.
967
01:11:03,385 --> 01:11:05,385
(crickets chirping)
968
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,517
(ominous music playing)
969
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:20,441
Dawkins:
If everybody knowsthat is Slenderman,
970
01:11:20,485 --> 01:11:24,404
then I thinkthat's sufficientto define it as a replicator.
971
01:11:26,366 --> 01:11:28,366
(paper rustles)
972
01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:31,995
Genetic viruses spread
from body to body.
973
01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:35,707
And so... a meme that has great spreadability...
974
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:38,584
deserves to be called a virus of the mind.
975
01:11:38,628 --> 01:11:40,378
Girl:
Ooh! A note.
Girl 2: No!
976
01:11:40,422 --> 01:11:42,296
No, I don't wanna get it.
No, you have to get it.
977
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:44,549
You have to get it. You have to.
You get it.
Then he's gonna come.
978
01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:45,967
Get it.
Okay.
979
01:11:46,011 --> 01:11:48,469
Just keep walking.
Just keep walking.
Why?
980
01:11:48,513 --> 01:11:49,971
Because he's finding you!
981
01:11:50,015 --> 01:11:52,181
Dawkins:
A virus of the mind spreads
982
01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:56,477
by being listened to or seen by the sense organs.
983
01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:59,939
♪ ♪
(footsteps)
984
01:11:59,983 --> 01:12:01,607
When one brain picks it up,
985
01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:03,985
it will have a tendency
to pass it on to another brain
986
01:12:04,029 --> 01:12:07,071
and another brain and so on,
so it will spread exponentially.
987
01:12:11,202 --> 01:12:13,161
(musical sting)
(girls scream, laugh)
988
01:12:13,204 --> 01:12:14,454
(cries)
989
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:16,456
(footsteps)
990
01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,042
Dawkins:
And it's empirical fact that this happens.
991
01:12:19,085 --> 01:12:21,294
The Slenderman case
is a very powerful example
992
01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:26,132
of peer-to-peer
horizontal transmission.
It does happen.
993
01:12:26,176 --> 01:12:27,341
(musical sting)
994
01:12:27,385 --> 01:12:29,427
(static)
995
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,104
(keys jingling)
996
01:12:41,483 --> 01:12:42,607
Bill:
Meow, meow, kitty.
997
01:12:43,777 --> 01:12:46,110
(meows)
That's right, come here.
998
01:12:47,822 --> 01:12:50,156
Were you sleeping as usual?
Yes, you were.
999
01:12:51,117 --> 01:12:52,700
(meows)
(mimics meow)
1000
01:12:54,245 --> 01:12:55,328
Stand up straight.
1001
01:13:01,044 --> 01:13:05,254
I think you should wear
your badge from Webelos Camp...
1002
01:13:05,298 --> 01:13:07,965
because there's only
two people in your whole pack
that have that badge.
1003
01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:11,719
Aiden: Okay.
Bill: All right.
All your pins are secure?
1004
01:13:11,763 --> 01:13:15,431
Aiden: Yes.
Bill: You don't want
to be losing them. Right?
1005
01:13:15,475 --> 01:13:17,975
Aiden: Yeah.
Life is good.
1006
01:13:18,019 --> 01:13:19,685
You're all geared up,
all right?
1007
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:22,438
Aiden: Okay.
Get ready to put
that thing away. All right?
1008
01:13:22,482 --> 01:13:25,149
Okay.
Bill: I don't want
to get any grief about,
1009
01:13:25,193 --> 01:13:27,652
"Oh I just got
to finish this level,"
or whatever else.
1010
01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:29,028
All right?
1011
01:13:29,072 --> 01:13:30,404
(mutters)
Aiden?
1012
01:13:31,449 --> 01:13:32,490
Yeah.
1013
01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:39,539
Yay?
1014
01:13:40,792 --> 01:13:42,416
Are you okay, Aiden?
Aiden: Yeah.
1015
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:44,710
You sound
a little sniffley.
1016
01:13:44,754 --> 01:13:48,214
This whole event, from start to finish, has been a tragedy.
1017
01:13:50,844 --> 01:13:53,469
But you have to be angry
at the situation.
1018
01:13:53,513 --> 01:13:55,221
I'm angry at the situation...
1019
01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:59,183
and my daughter
is not the one...
1020
01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:01,686
that spent upwards
of seven days
1021
01:14:01,729 --> 01:14:04,313
in the hospital
recovering from this.
1022
01:14:04,357 --> 01:14:06,023
And I'm angry
about the situation.
1023
01:14:06,067 --> 01:14:08,484
So, if I'm angry about it...
1024
01:14:08,528 --> 01:14:12,363
you know, this other family
sure as hell has a right
to be angry about it.
1025
01:14:13,992 --> 01:14:15,283
You know, they could...
1026
01:14:19,038 --> 01:14:21,956
you know, slam the door
in my face, or, you know,
1027
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,959
punch me in the face
and knock me on my ass
and you know...
1028
01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:28,963
they would probably
be justified in doing so.
1029
01:14:30,633 --> 01:14:32,884
I'm sure they have a lot
of the same questions I do.
1030
01:14:35,513 --> 01:14:40,600
Attorney 2: Did you come
to any conclusions about Anissa,
as far as a diagnosis?
1031
01:14:42,270 --> 01:14:44,937
The predisposing
characteristics that...
1032
01:14:44,981 --> 01:14:48,316
made her susceptible
to the delusional disorder...
1033
01:14:52,614 --> 01:14:55,364
It's a diminished ability
to determine
1034
01:14:55,408 --> 01:14:57,241
what's real
and what's not real.
1035
01:14:57,285 --> 01:15:00,494
A lot of people have
varying degrees of this.
1036
01:15:00,538 --> 01:15:04,916
Adults may have,
simply, eccentric religious
or spiritual beliefs
1037
01:15:04,959 --> 01:15:08,085
or... conspiratorial beliefs
or things like that
1038
01:15:08,129 --> 01:15:10,630
and live out their life
with no problems at all.
1039
01:15:11,799 --> 01:15:13,424
I've done
quite a bit
of research
1040
01:15:13,468 --> 01:15:16,719
on the early stages
of psychopathic personality
1041
01:15:16,763 --> 01:15:19,138
in adolescents
over the last 20 years.
1042
01:15:19,182 --> 01:15:22,266
Attorney 2:
Based on your experiences
and testing of Anissa,
1043
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:24,852
she does not carry
that particular diagnosis.
1044
01:15:24,896 --> 01:15:26,312
No. She doesn't have--
1045
01:15:26,356 --> 01:15:29,273
she has, really,
no characteristics
of a psychopath
1046
01:15:29,317 --> 01:15:31,776
or a sociopath
or anything like that.
Attorney 2: Okay.
1047
01:15:31,819 --> 01:15:35,821
♪ ♪
1048
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:43,663
Fisher:
Morgan and Anissa came out of the bathroom.
1049
01:15:47,585 --> 01:15:50,586
Payton said
that she didn't want
to play hide and seek,
1050
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:52,380
but Morgan said
that the next game
1051
01:15:52,423 --> 01:15:54,840
that they played
could be her choice.
1052
01:16:03,101 --> 01:16:04,558
♪ ♪
1053
01:16:06,187 --> 01:16:08,437
Payton said that...
1054
01:16:08,481 --> 01:16:12,566
Anissa pulled her deeper
and deeper into the woods.
1055
01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:16,028
(Casey speaks on video)
1056
01:16:38,386 --> 01:16:39,427
And then...
1057
01:16:50,773 --> 01:16:51,897
Anissa says, "Now!"
1058
01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:56,402
And Anissa turns her back.
1059
01:17:05,705 --> 01:17:10,124
Morgan got on top
of Payton's legs.
1060
01:17:10,168 --> 01:17:15,338
She sat on her legs,
and then she got her face
real close to Payton
1061
01:17:15,381 --> 01:17:19,550
and whispered in her ear,
"I'm so sorry."
1062
01:17:19,594 --> 01:17:22,094
♪ ♪
1063
01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:24,055
And then started stabbing her.
1064
01:18:03,388 --> 01:18:06,639
Attorney:
What, ultimately,
was Morgan diagnosed with?
1065
01:18:08,142 --> 01:18:13,604
The final diagnosis,
both in the psychological report
1066
01:18:13,648 --> 01:18:17,316
and in my report
are schizophrenia,
1067
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,112
unspecified, 295.90...
1068
01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:27,660
oppositional
defiant disorder, 313.81...
1069
01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:33,499
and bronchial asthma,
mild, intermittent, J45.2.
1070
01:18:35,044 --> 01:18:37,670
♪ ♪
1071
01:18:46,806 --> 01:18:48,389
Attorney:
What is schizophrenia?
1072
01:18:50,226 --> 01:18:53,769
Casimir:
Schizophrenia is one of the most serious
1073
01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:56,272
and one of the most studied
1074
01:18:56,315 --> 01:18:59,733
mental illnesses of human beings.
1075
01:19:05,992 --> 01:19:08,033
It is a psychotic illness.
1076
01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:12,329
It's through a combination of genetic predisposition
1077
01:19:12,373 --> 01:19:15,458
and then stress placed on the person
1078
01:19:15,501 --> 01:19:17,918
to begin manifesting symptoms.
1079
01:19:17,962 --> 01:19:20,838
♪ ♪
1080
01:19:26,262 --> 01:19:29,513
Patients lose track of reality
in a number of ways.
1081
01:19:29,557 --> 01:19:31,557
One would be hallucinations.
1082
01:19:31,601 --> 01:19:34,643
One could hear voices,
one could see visions,
1083
01:19:34,687 --> 01:19:36,854
one could feel
things crawling on them.
1084
01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:40,191
Delusions,
on the other hand,
1085
01:19:40,234 --> 01:19:42,151
don't have to do
with sensing something,
1086
01:19:42,195 --> 01:19:43,777
they have to do
with a thought.
1087
01:19:43,821 --> 01:19:48,157
So, for example,
believing that Slenderman
is real is a delusion.
1088
01:19:49,619 --> 01:19:52,828
Saying that you saw Slenderman
is a visual hallucination.
1089
01:19:52,872 --> 01:19:56,957
(leaves rustling)
(Robert Niesen laughs)
1090
01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:59,460
Is the pile
getting bigger?
1091
01:20:02,256 --> 01:20:04,423
Ha! (laughs)
1092
01:20:08,596 --> 01:20:09,803
Diana Niesen:
Jumping in the leaves.
1093
01:20:09,847 --> 01:20:12,389
Robert:
And that's one
of my favorites.
1094
01:20:12,433 --> 01:20:15,768
I raked up a bunch of leaves
in the back yard and...
1095
01:20:15,811 --> 01:20:18,562
she came flying in.
(laughs)
Diana: Nice action shot.
1096
01:20:21,567 --> 01:20:23,317
Diana:
Yeah, it's hard
for us to imagine
1097
01:20:23,361 --> 01:20:24,610
that she was
having problems.
1098
01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:27,738
It's hard to process.
1099
01:20:29,575 --> 01:20:32,076
None of us...
saw this coming.
1100
01:20:36,707 --> 01:20:38,707
Angie:
Morgan recalls having
1101
01:20:38,751 --> 01:20:41,126
hallucinations as early as three.
1102
01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:43,796
She remembers...
1103
01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:47,591
seeing ghosts at night,
as young as three,
1104
01:20:47,635 --> 01:20:50,135
that would bite her and pull her hair.
1105
01:20:51,264 --> 01:20:52,513
But from what I understand,
1106
01:20:52,557 --> 01:20:56,559
for the most part they were friendly, too.
1107
01:20:56,602 --> 01:21:01,605
She even said that she-- she tried to tell us about it once,
1108
01:21:01,649 --> 01:21:04,149
and that we just told her to go back to bed,
1109
01:21:04,193 --> 01:21:06,610
but I don't have any recollection of that.
1110
01:21:08,447 --> 01:21:11,282
And really, how often do your children
1111
01:21:11,325 --> 01:21:14,285
tell you at bedtime that they're seeing something
1112
01:21:14,328 --> 01:21:15,786
or hearing something when they're that age?
1113
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:19,540
"A monster's in my closet,"or "something's under my bed,"
1114
01:21:19,584 --> 01:21:22,126
you know, just becausethey don't want to go to bed.
1115
01:21:23,629 --> 01:21:25,212
It's hard
because I haven't been able
1116
01:21:25,256 --> 01:21:28,215
to discuss these things
with Morgan,
1117
01:21:28,259 --> 01:21:31,093
because she's
been incarcerated...
1118
01:21:31,137 --> 01:21:35,264
for the entire time
that I've-- I've known...
1119
01:21:35,308 --> 01:21:37,391
that she's--
that she's had
these symptoms.
1120
01:21:39,979 --> 01:21:43,439
Brooke Lundbohm:
She expressed the ability
to see and hear things
1121
01:21:43,482 --> 01:21:46,734
that other people are
not able to hear or see.
1122
01:21:46,777 --> 01:21:48,652
Things like unicorns.
1123
01:21:48,696 --> 01:21:51,363
She at one point digressed
1124
01:21:51,407 --> 01:21:53,157
into fairly rambling discussion
1125
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,659
about a student in her class
being a pegasus.
1126
01:21:55,703 --> 01:21:57,995
When I saw her last week,
a few days before,
1127
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:00,456
Snape had come to visit her
and kept her up
1128
01:22:00,499 --> 01:22:02,916
until 3:00 in the morning,
by Morgan's report.
1129
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,835
Attorney: Snape?
Snape.
1130
01:22:04,879 --> 01:22:07,546
Attorney:
Who is that?
A "Harry Potter" character.
1131
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:10,257
She also will say not just
that she's heard things,
1132
01:22:10,301 --> 01:22:12,009
but that since
as early as three,
1133
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:15,554
she's had some
sensory-perceptual
distortions.
1134
01:22:15,598 --> 01:22:19,558
She might see a person
change slightly or see colors.
1135
01:22:19,602 --> 01:22:22,519
She doesn't...
have much concern
1136
01:22:24,940 --> 01:22:29,485
because, wherever she is,
she will use Vulcan mind control
1137
01:22:29,528 --> 01:22:33,697
to make herself feel,
to make herself believe
whatever she likes.
1138
01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:37,159
And so, even undervery stressful circumstances,
1139
01:22:37,203 --> 01:22:39,620
she doesn't feel
the stress because of this--
1140
01:22:39,664 --> 01:22:42,498
what she described
to be Vulcan mind control.
1141
01:22:42,541 --> 01:22:44,500
Attorney 2:
How about her-- her cell?
1142
01:22:44,543 --> 01:22:47,461
I would consider
her cell disorganized.
1143
01:22:47,505 --> 01:22:51,715
She has papers scattered
about the floor.
1144
01:22:51,759 --> 01:22:54,009
Attorney 2:
Have you ever suggested
picking them up?
1145
01:22:54,053 --> 01:22:59,598
Officer Simon: Yes, I have.
And she stated that she
liked the papers there
1146
01:22:59,642 --> 01:23:02,851
because they made it feel
less empty.
1147
01:23:02,895 --> 01:23:05,145
Attorney 2:
And she is in the room alone?
Officer Simon: Correct.
1148
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:07,815
She said,
"Seeing my friends,
1149
01:23:07,858 --> 01:23:09,566
"none of these things
are dangerous.
1150
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:12,528
These friends can't disappear.
They're important to me."
1151
01:23:12,571 --> 01:23:15,614
Attorney:
Was she referring to real world
friends or fictional friends?
1152
01:23:15,658 --> 01:23:17,157
Fictional, I believe.
1153
01:23:17,201 --> 01:23:20,494
Attorney 2: She's not allowed
to hug her family or touch them?
1154
01:23:20,538 --> 01:23:24,206
Not in our facility.
Attorney 2: Right.
1155
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:27,710
She made clear
that her primary concern
1156
01:23:27,753 --> 01:23:30,629
was with her relationship
with Slenderman,
1157
01:23:30,673 --> 01:23:34,216
and she felt like
if she says the wrong thing,
1158
01:23:34,260 --> 01:23:36,635
if she somehow
upsets Slenderman,
1159
01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:40,681
not only hers
but her family's lives
could be in danger.
1160
01:23:42,852 --> 01:23:45,227
With childhood schizophrenia,
1161
01:23:45,271 --> 01:23:48,105
almost everyone
develops, eventually,
1162
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:51,233
negative symptoms
and cognitive symptoms.
1163
01:23:52,403 --> 01:23:55,946
What's unique
about Morgan's circumstance
1164
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:58,991
is that a severe course
is so predictable.
1165
01:24:14,467 --> 01:24:19,803
Well, we knew her diagnosis
before we went to meet them
at the hospital.
1166
01:24:19,847 --> 01:24:23,515
We had a conference call
with two of the doctors,
1167
01:24:23,559 --> 01:24:25,309
so we were--
we were prepared.
1168
01:24:25,352 --> 01:24:28,395
And the reason that
we all went up there, actually,
1169
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,856
was so that
we could tell Morgan
1170
01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:32,983
what her diagnosis was.
1171
01:24:33,027 --> 01:24:36,487
And we thought
that it would be helpful
for her to know
1172
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:38,697
that her father also...
1173
01:24:39,742 --> 01:24:41,867
had the same mental illness,
1174
01:24:41,911 --> 01:24:45,871
because we had
never told her previously
that Matt had schizophrenia.
1175
01:24:47,458 --> 01:24:50,209
We were very worried
about the way that
she might react
1176
01:24:50,252 --> 01:24:53,337
to learning that
she has schizophrenia
1177
01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:55,798
because Morgan--
Morgan's a very smart girl,
1178
01:24:55,841 --> 01:24:58,509
and she's been reading...
Matt: Which makes me think
that she knew.
1179
01:24:58,552 --> 01:25:02,596
Yeah.
I think when they told her,
she was probably like...
1180
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,598
Not surprised.
..."Well, that's what
I would've guessed...
1181
01:25:05,684 --> 01:25:08,060
if I had
to diagnose myself."
1182
01:25:10,356 --> 01:25:12,648
Angie:
What I think is
that Morgan knows
1183
01:25:12,691 --> 01:25:15,901
that other people
don't see her hallucinations,
1184
01:25:15,945 --> 01:25:18,237
but they're still
very real to her.
1185
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,113
Like, in her head
they are real,
1186
01:25:20,157 --> 01:25:22,032
and they're
there with her.
1187
01:25:22,076 --> 01:25:24,159
They're there.
Angie: But I think
that she knows
1188
01:25:24,203 --> 01:25:26,245
that other people
don't see them.
1189
01:25:26,288 --> 01:25:29,331
Otherwise, why would
she make an attempt to...
1190
01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:31,750
Cover it up. Mm-hmm.
Angie:
...hide them from us, exactly.
1191
01:25:31,794 --> 01:25:33,210
It's because
she doesn't want to lose them.
1192
01:25:33,254 --> 01:25:35,087
She's afraid they would
be taken from her.
1193
01:25:41,387 --> 01:25:43,679
Angie:
This is the doll house,
1194
01:25:43,722 --> 01:25:45,973
or the components
for a doll house,
1195
01:25:46,016 --> 01:25:48,183
that Morgan made
while she was housed
1196
01:25:48,227 --> 01:25:51,061
at Washington County
Juvenile Detention Center.
1197
01:25:52,606 --> 01:25:55,274
And she just put so much...
1198
01:25:56,235 --> 01:25:59,027
detail into it, it's amazing.
1199
01:25:59,071 --> 01:26:01,780
She's not allowed
to have scissors,
1200
01:26:01,824 --> 01:26:04,032
so all of these--
1201
01:26:04,076 --> 01:26:09,204
all of these
tiny little pieces
she ripped by hand.
1202
01:26:09,248 --> 01:26:10,831
This is a television,
and these are
1203
01:26:10,875 --> 01:26:14,710
some of her
little cartoon characters
that she likes to draw.
1204
01:26:14,753 --> 01:26:17,337
This actually, I think,
is a character
1205
01:26:17,381 --> 01:26:19,381
that's modeled after Spock.
1206
01:26:19,425 --> 01:26:22,384
When I watched her
do a couple of the dolls
1207
01:26:22,428 --> 01:26:25,888
and the--
and the clothing,
1208
01:26:25,931 --> 01:26:29,683
and she said what was
surprising is how few times
she had to start over.
1209
01:26:29,727 --> 01:26:33,645
Like, she was able to just
be meticulous about--
Here's some food.
1210
01:26:33,689 --> 01:26:36,899
I think this is salad
and a piece of pizza.
A salad and a piece of pizza.
1211
01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:40,569
Here's a little
laptop computer.
1212
01:26:40,613 --> 01:26:43,196
See there's even
detail on the screen.
1213
01:26:46,076 --> 01:26:49,161
Look at the cute little heart
on the front of the computer.
1214
01:26:50,247 --> 01:26:52,039
This looks like
it's another TV.
1215
01:26:52,082 --> 01:26:55,334
Oh, and there's--
how appropriate.
1216
01:26:55,377 --> 01:26:58,503
There's a courtroom drama
playing in the background.
1217
01:27:00,132 --> 01:27:03,926
When I ask her
what she wants to watch
on TV that night--
1218
01:27:03,969 --> 01:27:07,095
it's one of the things
I usually ask her when
I talk to her on the phone--
1219
01:27:07,139 --> 01:27:11,516
she'll say that it depends
on whose turn it is to decide.
1220
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,852
And she's in a cell by herself,
1221
01:27:13,896 --> 01:27:16,980
so she's the only person there.
1222
01:27:17,024 --> 01:27:19,983
♪ ♪
1223
01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:44,675
I do a lot of stuff
with running numbers
in my head.
1224
01:27:47,721 --> 01:27:49,012
I do...
1225
01:27:51,767 --> 01:27:57,187
I try to put up static,
almost, is how I describe it.
1226
01:27:59,108 --> 01:28:02,150
I wish that I could talk
to her about--
1227
01:28:02,194 --> 01:28:06,238
like, I have-- right now,
there's like patterns
1228
01:28:06,281 --> 01:28:11,660
of light
and geometric shapes
1229
01:28:11,704 --> 01:28:13,453
that's, like, always racing.
1230
01:28:14,498 --> 01:28:16,206
Like always,
like right now.
1231
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:20,210
Pshew, pshew, pshew,
pshew, pshew, pshew.
1232
01:28:20,254 --> 01:28:23,046
I always wanted to know
if she sees that stuff, too.
1233
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:29,261
Everything seems normal
to me, because it's--
it's my everything.
1234
01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:31,596
This is how
I've always seen things.
1235
01:28:33,559 --> 01:28:35,809
So, it doesn't seem weird
to me that like,
1236
01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:37,769
"Oh that's not how
you see street lights?"
1237
01:28:37,813 --> 01:28:41,023
or "Oh, that's weird."
1238
01:28:41,066 --> 01:28:43,817
I don't know if that was
everyone that had like
a weird little visual...
1239
01:28:45,154 --> 01:28:46,278
thing going on...
1240
01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,781
like the glaring demon, devil.
1241
01:28:49,825 --> 01:28:53,910
Like that you're like,
"Okay, this is clearly
not real."
1242
01:28:53,954 --> 01:28:56,121
But it doesn't matter.
Like, I've had where...
1243
01:28:57,916 --> 01:28:59,082
like you...
1244
01:29:00,794 --> 01:29:05,797
you can see it
and you know it's not real...
1245
01:29:05,841 --> 01:29:08,258
but it totally doesn't matter,
because you're still
terrified of it.
1246
01:29:08,302 --> 01:29:10,469
Like, I know that there's...
1247
01:29:11,805 --> 01:29:14,681
I know the devil's
not in the backseat,
1248
01:29:14,725 --> 01:29:18,602
but the devil is
in the backseat.
You know?
1249
01:29:23,484 --> 01:29:25,150
Yeah, sometimes
you know it's not real,
1250
01:29:25,194 --> 01:29:29,279
but it still smells, tastes,
and looks real, so it's real.
1251
01:29:29,323 --> 01:29:31,823
♪ ♪
1252
01:29:38,373 --> 01:29:40,165
Attorney:
Could you just describe,
in general terms,
1253
01:29:40,209 --> 01:29:42,709
what you found in the bedroom
when you went through it?
1254
01:29:42,753 --> 01:29:48,423
There were...
numerous... notebooks
1255
01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:52,844
and pieces of paper
with drawings
1256
01:29:52,888 --> 01:29:58,183
and writings pertaining
to the Slenderman character.
1257
01:30:02,272 --> 01:30:05,398
♪ ♪
1258
01:30:38,517 --> 01:30:40,350
Attorney:
Where wasall this stuff located?
1259
01:30:42,604 --> 01:30:44,354
All in Morgan's bedroom.
1260
01:30:51,363 --> 01:30:54,990
Collins:
When you ask Morgan...
1261
01:30:55,033 --> 01:30:57,534
"What if Slenderman
doesn't exist?"
1262
01:30:58,453 --> 01:30:59,995
She can't tolerate that.
1263
01:31:00,038 --> 01:31:01,621
She becomes
somewhat oppositional,
1264
01:31:01,665 --> 01:31:03,874
and says
she knows it's true,
1265
01:31:03,917 --> 01:31:07,169
and it can't
be proven untrue,
so it's true.
1266
01:31:07,212 --> 01:31:08,295
Attorney:
Did Morgan use the words
1267
01:31:08,338 --> 01:31:10,046
"It had to be done?"
Yes.
1268
01:31:10,090 --> 01:31:12,382
Attorney: Did you
tell her to say that?
I did not.
1269
01:31:12,426 --> 01:31:14,718
Attorney: She's volunteering
this to you?
Correct.
1270
01:31:14,761 --> 01:31:16,219
(pen scratching)
1271
01:31:16,263 --> 01:31:18,138
Attorney:
That seems like
an unusual thing to say.
1272
01:31:18,182 --> 01:31:21,099
It does.
Attorney: Did you ask her
what she meant by that?
1273
01:31:21,143 --> 01:31:25,228
I did.
Attorney: And did you have
to ask her multiple times?
1274
01:31:25,272 --> 01:31:26,563
I did.
1275
01:31:26,607 --> 01:31:28,690
Attorney:
Okay, after you asked her
multiple times
1276
01:31:28,734 --> 01:31:31,651
what she meant
by "It had to be done,"
1277
01:31:31,695 --> 01:31:33,862
what did she offer you
or what did she say?
1278
01:31:33,906 --> 01:31:35,780
She told me
that the man ordered it.
1279
01:31:39,036 --> 01:31:41,494
(attorney speaks)
1280
01:31:41,538 --> 01:31:42,537
Grunke:
Yes, I did.
1281
01:31:42,581 --> 01:31:43,663
(attorney speaks)
1282
01:31:43,707 --> 01:31:44,789
She held up three fingers.
1283
01:31:44,833 --> 01:31:47,334
Attorney: Like three?
Three.
1284
01:31:47,377 --> 01:31:50,503
Attorney: What did that--
did you try to understand
what that meant?
1285
01:31:50,547 --> 01:31:52,714
I asked her if that meant
three years ago,
1286
01:31:52,758 --> 01:31:55,926
and she said,
"No, at age three."
1287
01:31:55,969 --> 01:31:59,846
She believed that
she communicated telepathically
1288
01:31:59,890 --> 01:32:03,099
with Slenderman, and that...
1289
01:32:03,143 --> 01:32:06,519
once the communication began,
that she had to do
1290
01:32:06,563 --> 01:32:09,272
what it was
that Slenderman demanded.
1291
01:32:09,316 --> 01:32:11,191
Attorney 2:
And if she didn't do
what was demanded,
1292
01:32:11,235 --> 01:32:12,859
her family
wouldn't be safe?
1293
01:32:12,903 --> 01:32:15,445
Robbins:
She wouldn't be safe,
her family wouldn't be safe.
1294
01:32:15,489 --> 01:32:18,114
Attorney 2:
Dr. Robbins,
was Morgan's entry
1295
01:32:18,158 --> 01:32:22,327
into this particular crime
because of her psychosis?
1296
01:32:26,208 --> 01:32:27,499
I believe so.
1297
01:32:33,465 --> 01:32:36,675
Casimir:
It bears saying that schizophrenia,
1298
01:32:36,718 --> 01:32:41,304
in and of itself, is not a dangerous illness.
1299
01:32:41,348 --> 01:32:44,266
There are many 35-year-olds who have schizophrenia
1300
01:32:44,309 --> 01:32:47,102
who don't have to be incarcerated,
1301
01:32:47,145 --> 01:32:49,938
who can be managed in a community.
1302
01:32:49,982 --> 01:32:53,441
However, there's a second part to that.
1303
01:32:53,485 --> 01:32:59,072
When your delusion--
when your fixed delusion
1304
01:32:59,116 --> 01:33:01,032
tells you to kill people...
1305
01:33:02,577 --> 01:33:04,995
and when your...
1306
01:33:05,038 --> 01:33:09,040
insight doesn't allow you
to seek treatment,
1307
01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:12,836
then schizophrenia
becomes dangerous.
1308
01:33:12,879 --> 01:33:15,255
It is a dangerous
illness untreated...
1309
01:33:16,341 --> 01:33:18,758
and hence...
we're here.
1310
01:33:19,803 --> 01:33:22,595
(chattering)
(birds chirping)
1311
01:33:24,433 --> 01:33:27,767
Matt:
You are just so lost in your illness
1312
01:33:27,811 --> 01:33:31,062
that no one knew about...
1313
01:33:31,106 --> 01:33:34,316
and then for people just
to hate her like that,
just hate you--
1314
01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:36,484
"I hate that little girl. I hope she burns."
1315
01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:40,113
Like, having people call my house and tell me,
1316
01:33:40,157 --> 01:33:43,199
"You're going to burn in helland so is your daughter."
1317
01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:47,704
People don't understand that...
1318
01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:51,082
(emotionally)
she loves Bella.
1319
01:33:51,126 --> 01:33:53,418
We love Bella...
1320
01:33:54,963 --> 01:33:59,090
so much, and she still talks
about her like they're friends.
1321
01:34:03,221 --> 01:34:07,891
Oh my god.
She loves her
like I love her.
1322
01:34:10,312 --> 01:34:14,606
And like, for people
to talk about her the way
they do, it's like--
1323
01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:17,942
Morgan loved Bella.
She's-- like, how sick are you
1324
01:34:17,986 --> 01:34:20,278
that you would do that
to your best friend?
1325
01:34:20,322 --> 01:34:22,906
Because you're afraid
of something happening,
1326
01:34:22,949 --> 01:34:25,784
or because you want
something happen.
1327
01:34:25,827 --> 01:34:28,620
You want
to become something...
1328
01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:32,123
because your illness
dictated that this is
something you need to be.
1329
01:34:33,335 --> 01:34:35,126
Just blows me away...
1330
01:34:36,463 --> 01:34:39,506
that people are like that.
It just makes me sad.
1331
01:34:39,549 --> 01:34:41,341
(sniffles)
I wish people knew.
1332
01:34:41,385 --> 01:34:44,427
(crying)
♪ ♪
1333
01:34:57,025 --> 01:34:58,983
(Morgan speaking)
1334
01:35:19,631 --> 01:35:21,339
(Anissa speaking on video)
1335
01:35:23,218 --> 01:35:24,384
(speaks indistinctly)
1336
01:35:24,428 --> 01:35:26,010
(Anissa speakingon video)
1337
01:35:27,347 --> 01:35:28,471
(Anissa sighs)
1338
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,542
♪ ♪
1339
01:35:59,421 --> 01:36:00,545
(clears throat)
1340
01:36:13,268 --> 01:36:15,935
(Trussoni speaking)
1341
01:36:20,567 --> 01:36:21,566
(Anissa speaks)
1342
01:36:22,569 --> 01:36:24,736
(Trussoni speaking)
1343
01:36:37,459 --> 01:36:38,958
(Trussoni speaking)
1344
01:36:42,422 --> 01:36:46,549
The regular ones are
just the regular cat treats
that you're used to.
1345
01:36:46,593 --> 01:36:48,843
Just to say,
"I love you, kitty."
1346
01:36:48,887 --> 01:36:51,971
Cat Snacks are only 2.99
at your local grocery store.
1347
01:36:53,308 --> 01:36:54,307
(Casey speaks)
1348
01:36:55,310 --> 01:36:56,601
(Morgan speaking)
1349
01:37:01,274 --> 01:37:02,273
Attorney:
Thank you.
1350
01:37:03,818 --> 01:37:06,611
Detective, did you have
a chance to watch
that compilation?
1351
01:37:07,656 --> 01:37:09,239
I saw the compilation.
1352
01:37:09,282 --> 01:37:11,699
Attorney:
And would you agree
that that's you present
1353
01:37:11,743 --> 01:37:13,451
in that room
with Morgan Geyser?
1354
01:37:14,329 --> 01:37:15,662
Those were...
1355
01:37:15,705 --> 01:37:17,622
pieces of the interview
1356
01:37:17,666 --> 01:37:20,667
that was me
and Morgan together.
1357
01:37:20,710 --> 01:37:23,086
Attorney:
Did you tell Morgan she could
have parents available
1358
01:37:23,129 --> 01:37:25,296
to talk to before
you interrogated her?
1359
01:37:25,340 --> 01:37:27,924
I did not tell her that,
because that wasn't an option.
1360
01:37:27,968 --> 01:37:30,009
Attorney:
You weren't going to let
her parents be present?
1361
01:37:30,053 --> 01:37:32,804
Correct.
Attorney: Or let her even have
a phone call to talk to them?
1362
01:37:34,307 --> 01:37:37,350
Um, we did not offer her
a phone call.
1363
01:37:39,563 --> 01:37:42,355
Attorney:
At some point were you
provided with Anissa's phone?
1364
01:37:42,399 --> 01:37:44,566
Casey: Yes, I was.
Attorney: Did you have
a chance to look
1365
01:37:44,609 --> 01:37:47,610
at any of the... messages
on that phone?
1366
01:37:47,654 --> 01:37:49,153
Yes, I did.
1367
01:37:49,197 --> 01:37:51,656
It says,
"This is my final wish
to those who care..."
1368
01:37:59,624 --> 01:38:02,208
♪ ♪
1369
01:38:07,841 --> 01:38:10,174
(crying)
1370
01:38:31,906 --> 01:38:32,989
Trussoni:
Mm-hmm.
1371
01:38:37,704 --> 01:38:40,997
♪ ♪
1372
01:38:55,889 --> 01:38:58,598
(church bell ringing)
1373
01:39:01,519 --> 01:39:03,311
Attorney:
Where did you locatethe suspects?
1374
01:39:03,355 --> 01:39:07,148
Thom Moerman:
They were located right by I-94 in Waukesha County.
1375
01:39:07,192 --> 01:39:09,484
Attorney:
Did you notice anything
1376
01:39:09,527 --> 01:39:11,653
about Anissa'semotional state
1377
01:39:11,696 --> 01:39:12,945
when youhad contact with her?
1378
01:39:14,282 --> 01:39:16,074
She said she was scared,
1379
01:39:16,117 --> 01:39:18,409
and I asked what was
she scared of?
1380
01:39:18,453 --> 01:39:20,328
Attorney: And do you recall
what she said to you?
1381
01:39:20,372 --> 01:39:23,289
She made mention
that if she told me,
1382
01:39:23,333 --> 01:39:24,916
I would think
that she was crazy,
1383
01:39:24,959 --> 01:39:27,710
and I told her
that I didn't think
anybody was crazy.
1384
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:31,297
Trussoni:
Okay.
1385
01:39:31,341 --> 01:39:33,925
(exhales)
(clattering)
1386
01:39:43,645 --> 01:39:45,603
(mutters)
1387
01:39:55,407 --> 01:39:57,323
(breathes shakily)
1388
01:40:00,578 --> 01:40:02,328
(Trussoni speaks on video)
1389
01:40:03,331 --> 01:40:05,498
(Anissa speaking)
1390
01:40:20,348 --> 01:40:22,140
(Morgan speaking)
1391
01:40:24,352 --> 01:40:25,601
(Casey speaking)
1392
01:40:38,366 --> 01:40:40,867
(cellphone playing tune)
(speaks indistinctly)
1393
01:40:47,333 --> 01:40:48,708
Can you ask the question
again please?
1394
01:40:48,752 --> 01:40:50,710
Attorney 2:
One of the first communications
1395
01:40:50,754 --> 01:40:52,920
before any
of the search requests
1396
01:40:52,964 --> 01:40:54,589
was found
on Anissa's phone
1397
01:40:54,632 --> 01:40:56,132
that was provided
by her parents, correct?
1398
01:40:56,176 --> 01:40:58,551
Correct.
Attorney 2: It was basically
a goodbye letter.
1399
01:40:59,721 --> 01:41:00,970
Correct?
Yes.
1400
01:41:02,265 --> 01:41:04,265
Attorney 2:
And basically indicated that
1401
01:41:04,309 --> 01:41:06,309
people should remember
who she was,
1402
01:41:06,352 --> 01:41:08,770
not grieve for her...
1403
01:41:08,813 --> 01:41:10,521
and that she
wouldn't do them harm.
1404
01:41:10,565 --> 01:41:12,940
Correct.
Attorney 2:
Nothing further, Your Honor.
1405
01:41:12,984 --> 01:41:16,027
♪ ♪
1406
01:41:18,907 --> 01:41:22,033
(character blabbering on iPad)
1407
01:41:23,661 --> 01:41:26,662
Bill:
Aiden? Wrap it up, chief.
we got places to go.
1408
01:41:26,706 --> 01:41:30,166
All right? We have
to run over to the school
1409
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:34,045
for a mandatory meeting
about iPads--
1410
01:41:34,088 --> 01:41:35,713
setting up their iPad...
1411
01:41:36,633 --> 01:41:38,716
and using
their iPad, and...
1412
01:41:40,637 --> 01:41:42,178
the disadvantages
they'll be at
1413
01:41:42,222 --> 01:41:44,514
if they're not allowed
to use their iPad.
1414
01:41:45,767 --> 01:41:47,934
(sighs)
You know?
1415
01:41:47,977 --> 01:41:51,479
I don't think
anybody can really,
you know, begrudge me
1416
01:41:51,523 --> 01:41:53,105
for thinking
the way I do about...
1417
01:41:54,526 --> 01:41:56,275
a bunch of fifth graders
getting iPads.
1418
01:41:56,319 --> 01:41:58,736
You know,
based on what this family
has been through.
1419
01:41:58,780 --> 01:42:00,446
At the same token...
1420
01:42:04,035 --> 01:42:06,452
you know, I don't want
to hinder his learning.
1421
01:42:07,413 --> 01:42:09,121
(blabbering)
1422
01:42:11,501 --> 01:42:13,793
Bill:
I guess I just need to...
1423
01:42:13,837 --> 01:42:15,628
get over
my own reservations
about it.
1424
01:42:17,298 --> 01:42:18,631
And about the iPads.
1425
01:42:20,844 --> 01:42:22,635
If I'd had my way,
he wouldn't have one.
1426
01:42:25,723 --> 01:42:28,766
You have a child that is...
1427
01:42:31,145 --> 01:42:34,730
incarcerated, for lack
of a better term...
1428
01:42:34,774 --> 01:42:36,440
but your other life
still has to go on,
1429
01:42:36,484 --> 01:42:39,318
so you still have to be able
to support your other children
1430
01:42:39,362 --> 01:42:42,196
with the activities
that they're in, and...
1431
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,824
you do your best
to support your children
1432
01:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,450
that you can't
have access to...
1433
01:42:48,037 --> 01:42:51,122
and have to explain
to Anissa that,
1434
01:42:51,165 --> 01:42:53,499
"Well, I might not be able
to come up on Tuesday,
1435
01:42:53,543 --> 01:42:55,668
"because Aiden has
a pack meeting.
1436
01:42:55,712 --> 01:42:57,169
I have to be there
for that."
1437
01:42:59,007 --> 01:43:03,050
I've had
conversations with...
my oldest son.
1438
01:43:03,094 --> 01:43:06,345
I was out in the backyard.
He comes outside, he says
to me, "What's wrong?"
1439
01:43:06,389 --> 01:43:10,308
(clock ticking)
1440
01:43:30,455 --> 01:43:32,330
(breathes deeply)
1441
01:43:38,087 --> 01:43:39,587
That's when I told him...
1442
01:43:39,631 --> 01:43:41,464
it's just stressful
as hell...
1443
01:43:44,469 --> 01:43:49,180
trying to keep
everything as balanced
as it can possibly be.
1444
01:43:52,435 --> 01:43:54,810
(sighs)
You never get
a day off...
1445
01:43:59,192 --> 01:44:00,566
(emotionally)
and it wears on you.
1446
01:44:04,989 --> 01:44:06,697
It just really wears
the shit outta ya.
1447
01:44:09,327 --> 01:44:13,537
Because you have
to do so much more...
1448
01:44:16,417 --> 01:44:18,501
to try to keep everybody
1449
01:44:18,544 --> 01:44:21,587
in a positive place,
including yourself.
1450
01:44:28,012 --> 01:44:29,053
It's...
1451
01:44:30,556 --> 01:44:31,931
It's mentally...
1452
01:44:33,351 --> 01:44:37,687
and emotionally
and physically just draining.
1453
01:44:42,735 --> 01:44:44,276
(sniffles)
1454
01:44:50,368 --> 01:44:52,243
(birds chirping)
1455
01:44:55,873 --> 01:44:57,915
Angie:
I knew it was
always a risk,
1456
01:44:57,959 --> 01:45:01,502
simply because of... genetics
1457
01:45:01,546 --> 01:45:04,714
that one of our children
might develop schizophrenia.
1458
01:45:06,759 --> 01:45:08,926
I never thought something
like this would happen.
1459
01:45:11,055 --> 01:45:12,430
Matt is so...
1460
01:45:14,267 --> 01:45:18,060
He's so high functioning
and he's so... stable.
1461
01:45:19,731 --> 01:45:23,024
I just know
that he's developed
an awareness
1462
01:45:23,067 --> 01:45:25,109
of what's real
and what's not.
1463
01:45:26,904 --> 01:45:29,196
And I think,
for Morgan,
1464
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:30,990
those lines are
still pretty blurry...
1465
01:45:33,786 --> 01:45:35,578
but it's all
still very real to her.
1466
01:45:35,621 --> 01:45:38,664
♪ ♪
1467
01:45:38,708 --> 01:45:43,127
In general,
Morgan's just becoming
more and more lost
1468
01:45:43,171 --> 01:45:45,588
and involved
in this world
1469
01:45:45,631 --> 01:45:48,299
of imaginary friends
that she has.
1470
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:54,930
The best possible situation
would be that she ends up
in an environment
1471
01:45:54,974 --> 01:45:57,183
where she can
receive treatment
for her schizophrenia,
1472
01:45:57,226 --> 01:46:00,061
and that would be
a psychiatric facility.
1473
01:46:00,104 --> 01:46:02,730
Not prison.
She can't go to prison.
1474
01:46:02,774 --> 01:46:05,107
♪ ♪
1475
01:46:06,819 --> 01:46:09,820
I think
it's kind of cruel
of the courts...
1476
01:46:11,407 --> 01:46:14,617
to have a law where
you can take two girls
1477
01:46:14,660 --> 01:46:16,994
who are not
troublemakers prior...
1478
01:46:19,207 --> 01:46:22,083
And they did not try
to hide what they did.
1479
01:46:22,126 --> 01:46:24,627
They did not lie
about what they did.
1480
01:46:24,670 --> 01:46:26,545
They were
very truthful for it.
1481
01:46:26,589 --> 01:46:29,882
And it's like they're being
punished extra because of it.
1482
01:46:33,054 --> 01:46:35,721
Well, let's hope the judge
is gonna have some good news.
1483
01:46:37,058 --> 01:46:39,391
Some very good news.
1484
01:46:39,435 --> 01:46:42,228
The two young girls
accused of stabbing
their classmate
1485
01:46:42,271 --> 01:46:43,687
are back in court.
1486
01:46:43,731 --> 01:46:45,481
WISN 12 news'
Hillary Mintz
1487
01:46:45,525 --> 01:46:47,566
is live in Waukesha County
with the very latest.
1488
01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:49,068
Hillary.
Well, Melinda,
1489
01:46:49,112 --> 01:46:51,570
for pretty much the past year
since the stabbing happened,
1490
01:46:51,614 --> 01:46:53,989
a judge here
at the county courthouse
1491
01:46:54,033 --> 01:46:56,283
has been trying to figure out
"Should Morgan Geyser
1492
01:46:56,327 --> 01:46:59,286
and Anissa Weier be tried
as adults or juveniles?"
1493
01:46:59,330 --> 01:47:01,622
That decision is expected
to come today,
1494
01:47:01,666 --> 01:47:05,167
and the stakes
in that decision
are extremely high.
1495
01:47:05,211 --> 01:47:08,003
♪ ♪
1496
01:47:08,047 --> 01:47:10,256
The victim, 13-year-old Payton Leutner,
1497
01:47:10,299 --> 01:47:11,799
has physically recovered,
1498
01:47:11,843 --> 01:47:13,676
but they say she is still dealing
1499
01:47:13,719 --> 01:47:15,678
with the emotional damage.
1500
01:47:15,721 --> 01:47:18,722
♪ ♪
1501
01:47:37,076 --> 01:47:40,077
The court's prepared
to proceed with the ruling.
1502
01:47:46,544 --> 01:47:49,628
The court easily finds
that this is a violent,
1503
01:47:49,672 --> 01:47:52,173
premeditated,
personal offense.
1504
01:47:52,216 --> 01:47:54,175
There was
a conscious decision made
1505
01:47:54,218 --> 01:47:56,635
at the time of the offense
to let the victim die.
1506
01:47:58,264 --> 01:48:01,223
They told P.L.
that they would leave
to get her help.
1507
01:48:01,267 --> 01:48:03,434
They did leave...
1508
01:48:03,477 --> 01:48:06,687
and they left, walking
to the Nicolet National Forest
1509
01:48:06,731 --> 01:48:08,314
to locate
the Slenderman Mansion
1510
01:48:08,357 --> 01:48:10,065
and then meet up
with Slenderman.
1511
01:48:11,736 --> 01:48:14,153
This is charged
as an attempted murder,
1512
01:48:14,197 --> 01:48:16,572
but you have
to keep in mind
for both defendants
1513
01:48:16,616 --> 01:48:19,909
that this was in fact--
this was an effort
to kill someone,
1514
01:48:19,952 --> 01:48:22,077
not a mistake
by hitting them too hard,
1515
01:48:22,121 --> 01:48:24,622
not a mistake
by pushing them
too hard.
1516
01:48:26,083 --> 01:48:27,541
The issue
of brain development
1517
01:48:27,585 --> 01:48:29,919
is important
for the court to consider.
1518
01:48:29,962 --> 01:48:32,379
They were young
when the offense occurred,
1519
01:48:32,423 --> 01:48:34,590
but they get older
every day, frankly.
1520
01:48:34,634 --> 01:48:36,133
They're a year older today.
1521
01:48:38,596 --> 01:48:41,138
But what happens at age 18?
And in this court's view,
1522
01:48:41,182 --> 01:48:44,683
that's a critical factor
for the court to evaluate.
1523
01:48:45,895 --> 01:48:47,895
There would be
no oversight, no control,
1524
01:48:47,939 --> 01:48:51,815
no ways to ensure
public safety.
1525
01:48:51,859 --> 01:48:54,151
They've committed
an offense that is serious.
1526
01:48:54,195 --> 01:48:55,986
It's-- it's, frankly, vicious.
1527
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:59,156
There has to be assurance that
that doesn't happen again,
1528
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,033
that a serious offense
1529
01:49:01,077 --> 01:49:03,744
is dealt with
on a serious basis
1530
01:49:03,788 --> 01:49:05,788
that offers protections
to everyone.
1531
01:49:05,831 --> 01:49:08,999
On that basis then,
I'll order that the defendants,
1532
01:49:09,043 --> 01:49:10,709
Ms. Geyser and Ms. Weier,
1533
01:49:10,753 --> 01:49:13,337
be retained
in the adult jurisdiction.
1534
01:49:13,381 --> 01:49:14,672
As so ordered.
1535
01:49:18,636 --> 01:49:20,844
Nick Bohr:
There were tears and some surprise here in court
1536
01:49:20,888 --> 01:49:24,306
as a judge denied a motion
by lawyers for both girls
1537
01:49:24,350 --> 01:49:26,934
to have their cases handled
in juvenile court.
1538
01:49:26,978 --> 01:49:28,894
Anissa Weier's lawyer
went on to say
1539
01:49:28,938 --> 01:49:31,855
they'll be discussing
the possibility of an appeal.
1540
01:49:31,899 --> 01:49:34,984
The victim's father here said
they wouldn't be commenting,
1541
01:49:35,027 --> 01:49:37,528
though the family
did appear to be upbeat
1542
01:49:37,571 --> 01:49:38,862
following this decision.
1543
01:49:38,906 --> 01:49:41,865
♪ ♪
1544
01:50:02,305 --> 01:50:05,597
Bill:
I'm sure that they would have been found eventually.
1545
01:50:05,641 --> 01:50:08,726
I think they never would have made it to the state forest.
1546
01:50:11,063 --> 01:50:14,356
From Waukesha to the Nicolet State Forest
1547
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,026
is a good four- to five-hour drive.
1548
01:50:17,069 --> 01:50:19,403
And they thoughtthey were going to walk that?
1549
01:50:21,115 --> 01:50:26,243
They had no idea
of what it would take
to walk that distance.
1550
01:50:29,874 --> 01:50:36,754
The judge orderedthat Anissa have no contact with the Internet.
1551
01:50:38,799 --> 01:50:41,008
The judge also ordered that, you know,
1552
01:50:41,052 --> 01:50:43,552
she have no contact with the co-defendant.
1553
01:50:43,596 --> 01:50:46,096
♪ ♪
1554
01:50:52,605 --> 01:50:56,440
Angie:
Morgan has no access to the outdoors.
1555
01:50:57,985 --> 01:51:01,278
Not even a window
to look out.
1556
01:51:02,531 --> 01:51:05,407
Morgan says that this doesn't bother her,
1557
01:51:05,451 --> 01:51:08,786
because she doesn't want to go outside anymore.
1558
01:51:08,829 --> 01:51:11,121
(birds chirping)
1559
01:51:13,084 --> 01:51:18,962
One of the things
that Anissa and her
had talked about was,
1560
01:51:19,006 --> 01:51:20,631
no matter what happened...
1561
01:51:21,592 --> 01:51:23,467
they would always be together.
1562
01:51:24,678 --> 01:51:27,388
(crow caws)
(no discernible dialog)
1563
01:51:27,431 --> 01:51:29,681
♪ ♪
1564
01:51:42,655 --> 01:51:45,489
(chains clinking) (camera clicking)
1565
01:51:59,630 --> 01:52:03,132
(mouse clicking) (camera clicking)
1566
01:52:03,175 --> 01:52:04,800
(woman coughs)
(whispering)
1567
01:52:10,349 --> 01:52:12,724
♪ ♪
1568
01:52:34,999 --> 01:52:36,039
(mouse clicks)
1569
01:52:38,252 --> 01:52:42,421
♪ ♪
1570
01:52:53,601 --> 01:52:56,226
(church bell ringing)
1571
01:53:50,449 --> 01:53:53,909
♪ ♪
1572
01:54:41,083 --> 01:54:43,834
(hums)
(pen scratches)
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