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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,172 Previously on "The Rookie"... 2 00:00:01,220 --> 00:00:02,739 That's Aaron Thorsen. 3 00:00:02,787 --> 00:00:04,436 Rich kid. TikTok famous 4 00:00:04,484 --> 00:00:07,656 before he got arrested for murdering his roommate in Paris. 5 00:00:07,704 --> 00:00:10,790 I was locked in a cell for 541 days. 6 00:00:10,838 --> 00:00:13,184 The person who murdered Patrick, he's still out there, 7 00:00:13,232 --> 00:00:15,012 and no one is looking for him 8 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:16,448 because they still think that I did it. 9 00:00:16,496 --> 00:00:18,450 I don't want to be a part of this reality TV show. 10 00:00:18,498 --> 00:00:20,495 Sweetie, it's only gonna help you. 11 00:00:20,543 --> 00:00:23,051 I'm Morris Mackey. I'm the reality TV producer here. 12 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:25,326 I just want to say, this has been so fascinating. 13 00:00:25,374 --> 00:00:28,025 I love true crime, and to be in a documentary, 14 00:00:28,073 --> 00:00:29,591 it's just... it's a dream come true. 15 00:00:29,639 --> 00:00:30,958 Thank you. Thank you. 16 00:00:33,929 --> 00:00:35,582 Do I just...? 17 00:00:36,532 --> 00:00:37,925 You're back. 18 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,113 Another crazy story, how could I stay away? 19 00:00:40,161 --> 00:00:41,745 Thank you. 20 00:00:41,912 --> 00:00:43,474 - You good to go? - Um, yeah. 21 00:00:43,523 --> 00:00:44,963 Where should I, uh... Where should I start? 22 00:00:45,011 --> 00:00:47,348 Why don't you, uh, tell me about Aaron Thorsen? 23 00:00:47,396 --> 00:00:50,177 Well, Aaron came to the F.T.O. program 24 00:00:50,225 --> 00:00:51,834 with the deck stacked against him. 25 00:00:51,973 --> 00:00:53,894 He had to sue the LAPD 26 00:00:53,942 --> 00:00:55,182 even to get into the Academy. 27 00:00:55,230 --> 00:00:57,379 I mean, you have to respect just how hard he fought 28 00:00:57,453 --> 00:00:58,886 just to be here. 29 00:00:59,060 --> 00:01:00,129 Uh... 30 00:01:00,177 --> 00:01:02,973 But what happened in Paris, never left him, 31 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:05,062 no matter how hard he tried to move on. 32 00:01:05,110 --> 00:01:06,846 People would argue that doing a reality show 33 00:01:06,894 --> 00:01:08,935 is the opposite of moving on. 34 00:01:08,983 --> 00:01:10,763 Well, those people haven't experienced 35 00:01:10,811 --> 00:01:12,448 what it's like to be infamous. 36 00:01:12,551 --> 00:01:13,697 I mean, Aaron was, 37 00:01:13,745 --> 00:01:16,160 desperate to reset the way the world saw him. 38 00:01:16,208 --> 00:01:17,639 And it all blew up in his face. 39 00:01:17,687 --> 00:01:18,808 Yeah. 40 00:01:18,856 --> 00:01:20,164 Yeah, it really did. 41 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:32,692 I can't believe this is happening to me again. 42 00:01:32,791 --> 00:01:34,151 It's nice to see you again. 43 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,353 Mm-hmm. 44 00:01:35,401 --> 00:01:37,392 And congratulations, on the baby. 45 00:01:37,441 --> 00:01:38,533 Thank you. 46 00:01:38,582 --> 00:01:39,691 Did being pregnant make 47 00:01:39,739 --> 00:01:41,380 what you went through with Aaron more stressful? 48 00:01:41,428 --> 00:01:42,829 Not here to talk about me. 49 00:01:42,878 --> 00:01:44,623 Fair enough. Uh, let's talk about 50 00:01:44,672 --> 00:01:45,861 the reality show. 51 00:01:45,978 --> 00:01:47,974 Okay. It was his mom's idea. 52 00:01:48,022 --> 00:01:50,498 It was a way to rebrand his image. 53 00:01:50,546 --> 00:01:52,260 And what did you think of the title? 54 00:01:53,288 --> 00:01:54,546 No comment. 55 00:01:54,594 --> 00:01:56,394 Seriously, though. You have to have had an opinion... 56 00:01:56,442 --> 00:01:57,810 Listen, you're not gonna get me 57 00:01:57,858 --> 00:02:00,595 to say that dumbass title, so let's just move on. 58 00:02:27,192 --> 00:02:29,363 Yeah, so back there is my parents' room 59 00:02:29,411 --> 00:02:30,605 and the family room. 60 00:02:30,663 --> 00:02:31,995 Um... Oh, 61 00:02:32,043 --> 00:02:34,445 right here, this is my favorite photo. 62 00:02:34,634 --> 00:02:36,109 I was 6. 63 00:02:36,157 --> 00:02:37,719 And you might recognize my dad. 64 00:02:37,767 --> 00:02:39,507 He was part of a '90s rap duo, 65 00:02:39,555 --> 00:02:40,679 Flex n' Flow. 66 00:02:40,727 --> 00:02:41,898 That's them right here. 67 00:02:41,946 --> 00:02:43,001 ♪ Party's never stoppin' ♪ 68 00:02:43,049 --> 00:02:44,209 ♪ Who the boys that make the noise? ♪ 69 00:02:44,258 --> 00:02:45,739 - ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ - Yeah, man, 70 00:02:45,787 --> 00:02:46,878 when I was a kid, I used to love 71 00:02:46,926 --> 00:02:49,209 riding my tricycle up and down this hallway. 72 00:02:49,257 --> 00:02:51,753 Until he knocked over my Music Industry Achievement Award 73 00:02:51,802 --> 00:02:52,974 and broke it. 74 00:02:53,023 --> 00:02:55,244 Aaron tried to put it back together with Play-Doh, 75 00:02:55,293 --> 00:02:57,138 thinking we wouldn't notice. 76 00:02:57,187 --> 00:02:58,551 But that's my son, 77 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:00,712 always trying to get away with something. 78 00:03:02,183 --> 00:03:03,528 Not anymore. 79 00:03:03,576 --> 00:03:05,043 I mean, now he's... 80 00:03:05,091 --> 00:03:06,531 Very responsible. 81 00:03:08,189 --> 00:03:10,361 Over here, we got my childhood bedroom. 82 00:03:13,281 --> 00:03:14,758 What the hell? 83 00:03:15,683 --> 00:03:18,368 Hey, I never had this picture of Patrick. 84 00:03:18,417 --> 00:03:19,718 Did you put this here? 85 00:03:19,766 --> 00:03:21,648 We just thought it'd be a nice surprise. 86 00:03:21,746 --> 00:03:23,331 Man, Morris, what the hell did I tell you, man, 87 00:03:23,379 --> 00:03:24,549 about faking stuff like this? 88 00:03:24,597 --> 00:03:26,681 Relax. Uh, not a big deal. 89 00:03:26,832 --> 00:03:28,640 We just wanted to do it for a take. 90 00:03:28,688 --> 00:03:30,648 - Yeah, man, that's not cool. - You know what? You're right. 91 00:03:30,696 --> 00:03:31,792 My bad. 92 00:03:31,841 --> 00:03:33,144 We'll, we'll do it again, 93 00:03:33,192 --> 00:03:34,617 but without the photo. 94 00:03:34,868 --> 00:03:36,126 Okay. 95 00:03:36,212 --> 00:03:37,952 Yeah, okay. 96 00:03:41,092 --> 00:03:42,741 Got that? 97 00:03:42,922 --> 00:03:44,786 Morris was white-hot from doing 98 00:03:44,834 --> 00:03:46,919 several award-winning documentaries in a row. 99 00:03:46,968 --> 00:03:49,083 The king of those "30 Under 30" lists. 100 00:03:49,132 --> 00:03:51,010 He had a real gift for earning people's trust, 101 00:03:51,058 --> 00:03:53,184 convincing them, that he was on their side, 102 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:55,623 that, they have a say on the final cut. 103 00:03:55,671 --> 00:03:57,582 Then, surprise! They didn't. 104 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,007 Hey. 105 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:04,850 Sorry, I, uh, totally forgot this was happening today. 106 00:04:04,898 --> 00:04:06,069 We just started. 107 00:04:06,117 --> 00:04:07,715 Uh, don't forget to tell him about the, uh, 108 00:04:07,764 --> 00:04:09,374 - forensics expert. - I know. 109 00:04:09,423 --> 00:04:11,427 And the, uh, the French prosecutor. 110 00:04:11,476 --> 00:04:12,690 I sent you that interview, right? 111 00:04:12,775 --> 00:04:14,538 He was biased against Aaron from the jump. 112 00:04:15,946 --> 00:04:17,882 I'm a decade older, 113 00:04:17,931 --> 00:04:20,106 but Aaron and I had similar upbringings... 114 00:04:20,155 --> 00:04:21,998 rich parents, private schools. 115 00:04:22,046 --> 00:04:24,391 I'm just lucky social media didn't exist. 116 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:25,718 Look, if I was in Aaron's generation, 117 00:04:25,767 --> 00:04:28,082 I would have just as much embarrassing footage as he did. 118 00:04:28,313 --> 00:04:31,268 Of what? You studying tort reform at 15? 119 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:33,226 I got into trouble. 120 00:04:33,335 --> 00:04:34,706 - Uh-huh. - Okay. 121 00:04:34,754 --> 00:04:35,811 The point is, 122 00:04:35,859 --> 00:04:37,700 when you grow up in this world, you don't hear "no" a lot, 123 00:04:37,748 --> 00:04:39,058 which can make you a real ass... 124 00:04:39,237 --> 00:04:40,929 Can make you a very selfish person. 125 00:04:40,977 --> 00:04:42,148 ♪ Another day ♪ 126 00:04:42,196 --> 00:04:43,845 Ooh-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! 127 00:04:43,893 --> 00:04:45,396 Yo, they only got, like, five pairs 128 00:04:45,444 --> 00:04:47,284 of these in the whole world, and I got a pair. 129 00:04:47,436 --> 00:04:48,731 You don't have a pair, but I do. 130 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:50,548 What's up, what's up?! 131 00:04:50,596 --> 00:04:52,463 Hey, yo, what up, everybody? It's your boy, AT! 132 00:04:52,511 --> 00:04:54,247 My guy Patty P right here. 133 00:04:54,295 --> 00:04:55,694 We got a pool party tonight. 134 00:04:55,742 --> 00:04:57,598 Everybody come through. 135 00:04:57,646 --> 00:04:59,209 Got the matching, you know? 136 00:04:59,257 --> 00:05:00,645 - Got the matching. - And the shoes. 137 00:05:00,693 --> 00:05:02,255 Hey. Have fun. 138 00:05:02,303 --> 00:05:03,865 - You know what it is. - Hey! Whoa! 139 00:05:03,913 --> 00:05:05,389 You know the vibes. 140 00:05:05,437 --> 00:05:06,628 You know the vibes! 141 00:05:11,727 --> 00:05:14,029 $30,000 a bottle, 142 00:05:14,099 --> 00:05:15,425 and he didn't drink a sip. 143 00:05:15,474 --> 00:05:17,662 That boy lost his mind. 144 00:05:17,710 --> 00:05:19,359 I had to get him out of his comfort zone. 145 00:05:19,407 --> 00:05:20,825 I mean, I-I thought, you know, 146 00:05:20,873 --> 00:05:23,409 a semester abroad, would've helped him mature, 147 00:05:23,458 --> 00:05:25,496 so, I sent him to Paris. 148 00:05:31,615 --> 00:05:33,417 I was on scholarship. 149 00:05:33,465 --> 00:05:34,809 University of Michigan. 150 00:05:34,857 --> 00:05:36,507 Go Wolverines. 151 00:05:36,555 --> 00:05:38,628 I don't know why I said that. Can I please start over? 152 00:05:38,677 --> 00:05:40,700 You're doing fine. 153 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:42,646 Uh, when did you first meet Aaron and Patrick? 154 00:05:42,719 --> 00:05:45,284 The program held a mixer, when we first arrived. 155 00:05:45,349 --> 00:05:47,644 It was mostly just a bunch of awkward college students, 156 00:05:47,693 --> 00:05:49,162 butchering French, but, 157 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:51,609 Aaron and Patrick were from this whole other world. 158 00:05:51,795 --> 00:05:53,785 First impressions? 159 00:05:53,833 --> 00:05:57,778 I mean, honestly, they seemed like entitled douchebags. 160 00:05:58,011 --> 00:05:59,261 But then I got to know them. 161 00:05:59,310 --> 00:06:01,053 You know, it was like another planet... 162 00:06:01,101 --> 00:06:02,580 Planet Rich. 163 00:06:02,629 --> 00:06:03,925 Patrick was the funniest. 164 00:06:03,973 --> 00:06:06,058 All that stuff you saw on Instagram, 165 00:06:06,106 --> 00:06:07,384 no, that's not who they were. 166 00:06:07,433 --> 00:06:08,601 Yeah, I mean, we went from the 167 00:06:08,649 --> 00:06:09,998 Two Musketeers to Four, you know, 168 00:06:10,047 --> 00:06:11,136 just like that. 169 00:06:11,185 --> 00:06:12,934 Me, Patrick, Rowan, and Everest, 170 00:06:12,982 --> 00:06:14,208 we were, uh... 171 00:06:14,579 --> 00:06:16,026 Inseparable. 172 00:06:16,856 --> 00:06:18,388 And uh... 173 00:06:19,119 --> 00:06:21,247 Man, that feels like so long ago. 174 00:06:21,295 --> 00:06:22,455 Are you nervous about the reunion? 175 00:06:22,503 --> 00:06:23,641 A little. 176 00:06:23,689 --> 00:06:25,262 Or, a lot. 177 00:06:25,952 --> 00:06:27,231 Yeah, I mean, um, 178 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,246 I haven't seen them since the trial. 179 00:06:29,564 --> 00:06:31,151 And they all went home, 180 00:06:31,503 --> 00:06:34,299 graduated from college, got jobs, and... 181 00:06:34,482 --> 00:06:35,870 I went to prison. 182 00:06:35,918 --> 00:06:37,176 Do they believe in your innocence? 183 00:06:37,224 --> 00:06:38,770 Yeah, 100%. 184 00:06:39,052 --> 00:06:40,136 They've both said that. 185 00:06:40,184 --> 00:06:41,504 You know, there can be a big difference, 186 00:06:41,552 --> 00:06:42,724 between what people say, 187 00:06:42,772 --> 00:06:44,208 and what they believe. 188 00:06:47,813 --> 00:06:49,027 Sorry. Let's... Hold on. 189 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:50,808 Let me reset that. 190 00:06:51,107 --> 00:06:52,758 Sorry. 191 00:07:00,903 --> 00:07:01,953 Ro, Ro, 192 00:07:02,001 --> 00:07:04,072 - good to see you, man! - Yeah, you too, man. 193 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,591 Yeah. You look so different. 194 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,858 Yeah, I'm a little older. 195 00:07:06,906 --> 00:07:08,947 No, it's not that. I don't know. 196 00:07:08,995 --> 00:07:10,340 You're like a different guy. 197 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:12,003 Something like that. 198 00:07:12,303 --> 00:07:13,691 - I think I'm gonna cry. - Hey. 199 00:07:13,739 --> 00:07:15,379 No, no, no crying. You're gonna mess up my makeup. 200 00:07:15,427 --> 00:07:16,433 Oh! 201 00:07:16,481 --> 00:07:18,261 Oh, I'm sorry I didn't come sooner. 202 00:07:18,309 --> 00:07:19,795 No, d... don't worry about it, really. 203 00:07:19,844 --> 00:07:21,906 I'm just, glad to see you guys. 204 00:07:22,269 --> 00:07:23,962 Alright, so let's, uh, get inside. 205 00:07:24,010 --> 00:07:26,098 I got food, drinks... 206 00:07:26,273 --> 00:07:28,134 cameras, and, uh... 207 00:07:28,726 --> 00:07:29,977 I'm sorry. This is... 208 00:07:30,025 --> 00:07:31,533 - So weird. - Hey, it's fine. 209 00:07:31,581 --> 00:07:32,942 We're just happy to see you, bro. 210 00:07:33,237 --> 00:07:34,364 - Yeah, me too. - Yeah. 211 00:07:34,412 --> 00:07:36,017 Yeah. Alright. 212 00:07:36,065 --> 00:07:37,465 Guys, I got to swap out my battery. 213 00:07:37,513 --> 00:07:38,629 Give me a second? 214 00:07:38,739 --> 00:07:40,349 Okay. 215 00:07:48,121 --> 00:07:49,335 What the hell? 216 00:07:59,093 --> 00:08:00,612 Holy... 217 00:08:00,699 --> 00:08:02,305 Morris Mackey's throat had been cut. 218 00:08:02,353 --> 00:08:03,697 By the time his body was found, 219 00:08:03,745 --> 00:08:05,743 he'd been dead approximately four hours. 220 00:08:05,791 --> 00:08:07,571 And who were your initial suspects? 221 00:08:07,619 --> 00:08:09,421 Everyone who stepped foot in the house that day. 222 00:08:09,470 --> 00:08:11,505 - Including Aaron. - Everyone. 223 00:08:11,753 --> 00:08:14,005 - Good morning. - Good morning. 224 00:08:14,353 --> 00:08:15,405 It's nice to see you again. 225 00:08:15,454 --> 00:08:16,928 Nice to see you! 226 00:08:16,976 --> 00:08:18,359 I heard you were happy with how the last 227 00:08:18,407 --> 00:08:19,720 - documentary came out. - Oh, my God. 228 00:08:19,768 --> 00:08:21,665 It was so good, and, and... 229 00:08:22,791 --> 00:08:24,370 And I got so many compliments. 230 00:08:24,418 --> 00:08:25,542 Oh, that's great. 231 00:08:25,858 --> 00:08:27,128 How about you? 232 00:08:27,552 --> 00:08:29,332 Didn't see it. Can we get started? 233 00:08:29,380 --> 00:08:30,691 Uh, yeah. 234 00:08:30,868 --> 00:08:33,249 So, tell me what happened when you arrived at the scene. 235 00:08:33,297 --> 00:08:34,564 We were the first responders. 236 00:08:41,368 --> 00:08:42,736 Whoa. 237 00:08:42,784 --> 00:08:43,856 Okay. 238 00:08:43,905 --> 00:08:46,054 It was a, frenetic day. 239 00:08:46,103 --> 00:08:47,884 So many people, so... 240 00:08:47,932 --> 00:08:50,353 So many personalities. 241 00:08:50,401 --> 00:08:52,790 But, when you're talking a star-studded crime scene 242 00:08:52,838 --> 00:08:56,184 with a witness list comprised mostly of influencers, 243 00:08:56,232 --> 00:08:57,882 I guess that's no surprise. 244 00:08:57,930 --> 00:08:59,405 Alright, look, even with all those cameras 245 00:08:59,453 --> 00:09:00,781 and phones rolling in the house, 246 00:09:00,829 --> 00:09:01,886 none of them caught anything 247 00:09:01,934 --> 00:09:03,750 even remotely helpful to our investigation. 248 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:05,106 Yeah. Luck? 249 00:09:05,154 --> 00:09:08,502 It just wasn't in our cards that day. 250 00:09:09,197 --> 00:09:10,647 - What? - Why are you so happy? 251 00:09:10,696 --> 00:09:12,436 I am being colorful. 252 00:09:12,556 --> 00:09:13,799 They will use more of our coverage 253 00:09:13,848 --> 00:09:15,334 if we give them evocative sound bites. 254 00:09:15,382 --> 00:09:16,650 I'm right, right? 255 00:09:16,705 --> 00:09:18,306 Can we get back to the murder? 256 00:09:18,564 --> 00:09:19,870 I followed protocols. 257 00:09:19,918 --> 00:09:21,699 You know, I-I called it in, cleared the house, 258 00:09:21,747 --> 00:09:23,542 - did everything right. - Mm-hmm. 259 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:25,518 - You believe me, right? - O-Of course. 260 00:09:25,566 --> 00:09:27,414 I mean, but we have to follow protocol, too. 261 00:09:27,463 --> 00:09:28,870 It's gonna be okay. 262 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:30,838 I can't believe this is happening to me again. 263 00:09:30,887 --> 00:09:32,014 I know. 264 00:09:33,472 --> 00:09:34,892 A-Are you okay? 265 00:09:35,968 --> 00:09:37,704 I think I'm having, like, a panic attack. 266 00:09:37,752 --> 00:09:39,358 Oh, okay. Uh, just sit down, 267 00:09:39,406 --> 00:09:40,726 and I'm gonna grab you some water, okay? 268 00:09:40,774 --> 00:09:41,920 I'll be right back. 269 00:09:41,969 --> 00:09:43,449 Show's over. Time to go. 270 00:09:43,497 --> 00:09:46,191 What? Uh, no, no, no. No, it's not. 271 00:09:46,239 --> 00:09:48,236 This is my house, my production. 272 00:09:48,284 --> 00:09:49,313 The show goes on. 273 00:09:49,362 --> 00:09:50,490 Connor, keep filming. 274 00:09:50,539 --> 00:09:51,619 Yeah, that's not how this works. 275 00:09:51,667 --> 00:09:52,733 This is my crime scene. 276 00:09:52,782 --> 00:09:54,498 Shut it off now. 277 00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:56,610 Shut it off! 278 00:09:58,643 --> 00:09:59,961 There was nothing we could do. 279 00:10:00,043 --> 00:10:01,170 Well, thanks for coming out. 280 00:10:01,219 --> 00:10:02,294 Yeah. 281 00:10:02,342 --> 00:10:04,644 Our paramedic crew was short-staffed, 282 00:10:04,692 --> 00:10:06,854 and since we're all EMT-trained, 283 00:10:06,902 --> 00:10:08,039 I was subbing in. 284 00:10:08,087 --> 00:10:09,367 Oh, I don't understand. 285 00:10:09,415 --> 00:10:10,436 Why were you called in at all? 286 00:10:10,485 --> 00:10:11,956 He was clearly dead, right? 287 00:10:12,004 --> 00:10:14,350 You have no idea how many people I see look that way 288 00:10:14,398 --> 00:10:15,960 and then spring back to life. 289 00:10:16,008 --> 00:10:17,570 Oh. Interesting. 290 00:10:17,618 --> 00:10:18,876 And what did you think at the time? 291 00:10:18,924 --> 00:10:20,540 Did it seem to you like Aaron did it? 292 00:10:20,589 --> 00:10:21,641 Of course not. 293 00:10:21,689 --> 00:10:23,184 He would never do anything like that. 294 00:10:23,298 --> 00:10:25,481 Really? And you're confident saying that... 295 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:27,638 considering your ex-husband? 296 00:10:28,509 --> 00:10:29,736 Wow. 297 00:10:30,004 --> 00:10:31,332 Okay. 298 00:10:31,502 --> 00:10:33,064 Ah, clearly, you come prepared. 299 00:10:33,112 --> 00:10:35,167 Yeah, um, I... 300 00:10:35,215 --> 00:10:37,875 I married a sociopath, once. 301 00:10:38,030 --> 00:10:41,172 So, maybe I'm not the best judge of character. 302 00:10:41,221 --> 00:10:42,781 It's not about being a good judge of character. 303 00:10:42,829 --> 00:10:44,156 We judge by the facts. 304 00:10:44,205 --> 00:10:45,630 And what did the facts say? 305 00:10:45,724 --> 00:10:47,242 At first? 306 00:10:47,732 --> 00:10:49,146 Not much. 307 00:10:50,912 --> 00:10:52,518 How long you been here filming today? 308 00:10:52,566 --> 00:10:54,215 About three or four hours. 309 00:10:54,263 --> 00:10:55,391 After rehearsal this morning, 310 00:10:55,439 --> 00:10:56,783 they had Everest and me in the kitchen, 311 00:10:56,831 --> 00:10:58,306 getting our hair and makeup done 312 00:10:58,354 --> 00:10:59,786 while they filmed other stuff. 313 00:10:59,834 --> 00:11:01,394 So you were in the kitchen the whole time? 314 00:11:01,442 --> 00:11:04,902 Uh, well, I did sneak off to crafty once or... 315 00:11:05,057 --> 00:11:06,489 four times. I heard they had ice cream, 316 00:11:06,537 --> 00:11:07,751 and I've been dieting like crazy 317 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:08,999 'cause I was gonna be on television, 318 00:11:09,048 --> 00:11:10,129 and I heard the camera adds like, 319 00:11:10,177 --> 00:11:11,641 10 pounds. Is that true? 320 00:11:11,690 --> 00:11:13,296 So when was the last time you saw Morris? 321 00:11:13,742 --> 00:11:15,522 Honestly, I ain't seen him all day. 322 00:11:15,625 --> 00:11:16,964 I was dealing with work stuff 323 00:11:17,021 --> 00:11:18,675 right up until we started filming. 324 00:11:18,723 --> 00:11:20,720 And where were you when Morris's body was found? 325 00:11:20,768 --> 00:11:22,435 In my office. 326 00:11:22,654 --> 00:11:23,854 And how would you characterize 327 00:11:23,902 --> 00:11:25,967 Aaron's relationship with Morris? 328 00:11:29,124 --> 00:11:31,181 It's important you tell the truth. 329 00:11:32,779 --> 00:11:35,300 They didn't always agree about the direction of the show. 330 00:11:35,348 --> 00:11:37,581 But my son, he would never hurt anyone. 331 00:11:44,444 --> 00:11:46,374 Hey, do we really have to do this in here? 332 00:11:47,273 --> 00:11:48,955 Yes, we do, son. 333 00:11:50,518 --> 00:11:53,429 Per government code 3300 and per Lybarger, 334 00:11:53,478 --> 00:11:55,367 I am required to advise, 335 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:57,627 that you do not have the right to remain silent. 336 00:11:57,675 --> 00:12:00,325 Anything you say can and will be used against you. 337 00:12:00,373 --> 00:12:03,294 Refusal to fully, and completely, answer 338 00:12:03,342 --> 00:12:05,759 all of Detective Lopez's questions, 339 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:08,765 will result in immediate termination. 340 00:12:09,599 --> 00:12:11,157 Do you understand? 341 00:12:12,334 --> 00:12:13,384 Yes, sir. 342 00:12:13,432 --> 00:12:14,861 And I'm here to protect you, 343 00:12:14,909 --> 00:12:16,602 as your union representative. 344 00:12:16,818 --> 00:12:18,386 This is your choice. 345 00:12:18,434 --> 00:12:20,142 But like Sergeant Grey said, 346 00:12:20,284 --> 00:12:21,521 if you choose not to cooperate, 347 00:12:21,569 --> 00:12:22,642 you will lose your job. 348 00:12:22,691 --> 00:12:24,304 Of course I'll cooperate. 349 00:12:26,191 --> 00:12:27,372 Good man. 350 00:12:29,271 --> 00:12:30,486 Alright. 351 00:12:30,534 --> 00:12:31,914 I'll leave you to it. 352 00:12:35,596 --> 00:12:36,959 I didn't kill Morris. 353 00:12:40,751 --> 00:12:42,503 When I saw him, 354 00:12:42,816 --> 00:12:44,885 lying there, like Patrick... 355 00:12:44,934 --> 00:12:46,153 I understand. 356 00:12:46,201 --> 00:12:47,894 But it was common knowledge that you and Morris 357 00:12:47,942 --> 00:12:49,801 weren't on the best of terms. 358 00:12:49,906 --> 00:12:51,285 Who are you with? 359 00:12:51,333 --> 00:12:52,383 TMZ? 360 00:12:52,514 --> 00:12:53,564 You still feeding off my grief, 361 00:12:53,612 --> 00:12:54,692 - you vultures?! - Come on, guys. 362 00:12:54,741 --> 00:12:56,076 - Morris, what are you doing, man? - Get 'em out of here, man! 363 00:12:56,124 --> 00:12:57,513 - Go! - Get out of here now! 364 00:12:57,561 --> 00:13:00,797 Yeah, what he did to Patrick's dad was, 365 00:13:00,995 --> 00:13:03,927 callous, and exploitative, but, 366 00:13:03,975 --> 00:13:05,172 I wouldn't kill him for it. 367 00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:06,472 Yeah, that was bad. 368 00:13:06,521 --> 00:13:08,753 Aaron pulled over Patrick's dad 369 00:13:08,801 --> 00:13:10,251 in a routine car stop. 370 00:13:10,300 --> 00:13:13,361 It was a total random reunion, but... 371 00:13:13,588 --> 00:13:15,394 Morris and his cameraman, 372 00:13:15,442 --> 00:13:16,924 were there filming, and that just, 373 00:13:16,972 --> 00:13:18,446 made everything worse. 374 00:13:18,494 --> 00:13:21,464 Dexter Hayes, he was a-a grieving, father. 375 00:13:21,512 --> 00:13:22,892 You know? And he... 376 00:13:23,253 --> 00:13:26,056 He took a swing at Officer Thorsen, 377 00:13:26,105 --> 00:13:28,226 so we had to book him, but we let him go, 378 00:13:28,274 --> 00:13:29,869 as soon as we could. 379 00:13:30,084 --> 00:13:32,373 And, you know, I thought that would be the end of it. 380 00:13:32,421 --> 00:13:34,141 But you suspected that Patrick's dad 381 00:13:34,189 --> 00:13:35,655 - could have killed Morris? - We did. 382 00:13:35,723 --> 00:13:37,927 He was furious about "Every Rose Has A..." 383 00:13:39,014 --> 00:13:40,698 About the reality show. 384 00:13:41,169 --> 00:13:44,440 And after years of the press feeding off of his grief, 385 00:13:44,675 --> 00:13:47,246 yeah, it was believable that he could've snapped. 386 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,645 This is absurd. You do know that? 387 00:13:49,787 --> 00:13:51,427 Alright, sir, can you tell me where you were, 388 00:13:51,475 --> 00:13:52,588 yesterday afternoon? 389 00:13:52,636 --> 00:13:54,657 I was in the office, morning to midnight. 390 00:13:54,705 --> 00:13:56,659 Ask any one of my employees. 391 00:13:56,875 --> 00:13:58,399 I didn't do this. 392 00:13:58,447 --> 00:14:00,194 Any idea who did? 393 00:14:00,449 --> 00:14:03,192 I can tell you that, whoever killed that man, 394 00:14:03,539 --> 00:14:05,696 his last name is Thorsen. 395 00:14:06,673 --> 00:14:09,454 I blame myself for ever letting them into Patrick's life. 396 00:14:09,502 --> 00:14:10,803 They're a sick family. 397 00:14:10,851 --> 00:14:13,240 And Aaron is not the only killer among them. 398 00:14:13,288 --> 00:14:14,568 What did he mean by that? 399 00:14:14,616 --> 00:14:15,705 You know what he meant by that. 400 00:14:15,754 --> 00:14:16,861 And we knew, 401 00:14:16,909 --> 00:14:18,158 from the reality show, 402 00:14:18,206 --> 00:14:20,683 that Morris gave Aaron's father a clear motive. 403 00:14:20,731 --> 00:14:23,337 And that's what I was thinking for the opening theme. 404 00:14:23,385 --> 00:14:24,653 - Yeah? - Yeah. 405 00:14:24,702 --> 00:14:26,321 - I like it. - You do? 406 00:14:26,774 --> 00:14:28,336 Almost as much as I like you. 407 00:14:28,465 --> 00:14:29,735 Mm. 408 00:14:29,783 --> 00:14:31,694 You're so sweet. 409 00:14:31,742 --> 00:14:33,071 Oh. 410 00:14:33,221 --> 00:14:34,305 Hey! 411 00:14:34,353 --> 00:14:36,066 You hooking up with my wife, man?! 412 00:14:36,485 --> 00:14:37,700 Linc, it's not what you think. 413 00:14:37,748 --> 00:14:39,997 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 414 00:14:42,970 --> 00:14:44,620 What the hell was that?! 415 00:14:44,668 --> 00:14:46,897 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 416 00:14:46,946 --> 00:14:48,195 In my own house! 417 00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:49,611 There's footage of Lincoln, 418 00:14:49,659 --> 00:14:51,539 catching Morris and Yvonne, in an intimate moment. 419 00:14:51,587 --> 00:14:53,716 That had to factor into your investigation. 420 00:14:53,843 --> 00:14:56,022 Jealousy is a primal motive. 421 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:57,430 And some believe that Lincoln had killed 422 00:14:57,478 --> 00:14:58,938 for jealousy once before. 423 00:14:59,132 --> 00:15:01,245 He was a suspect in a 20-year-old murder, wasn't he? 424 00:15:01,402 --> 00:15:02,545 Yes, he was. 425 00:15:06,262 --> 00:15:07,422 What can you tell me, 426 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:09,518 about your father's hip-hop duo, Flex n' Flow? 427 00:15:09,567 --> 00:15:11,143 I mean, I was, like, a baby, you know, 428 00:15:11,192 --> 00:15:12,278 when they were at their height. 429 00:15:12,327 --> 00:15:13,460 And, uh, 430 00:15:13,508 --> 00:15:15,873 that was the year "Make Da Noise" went platinum. 431 00:15:15,922 --> 00:15:17,144 Flex n' Flow had one of the most 432 00:15:17,192 --> 00:15:18,442 iconic singles of the late '90s. 433 00:15:18,490 --> 00:15:19,947 Oh, my God. "Make Da Noise"? 434 00:15:19,996 --> 00:15:22,924 That's like one of my go-to karaoke jams. 435 00:15:22,972 --> 00:15:24,491 ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 436 00:15:24,539 --> 00:15:25,666 ♪ The party's never stoppin' ♪ 437 00:15:25,714 --> 00:15:26,841 ♪ Who da boyz that make da noise? ♪ 438 00:15:26,889 --> 00:15:28,582 ♪ Flex 'n Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 439 00:15:29,065 --> 00:15:30,299 Can I be interviewed alone? 440 00:15:32,155 --> 00:15:33,457 ♪ Yeah, we comin' for you. ♪ 441 00:15:33,505 --> 00:15:34,501 ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 442 00:15:34,549 --> 00:15:35,850 ♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪ 443 00:15:35,898 --> 00:15:37,025 ♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪ 444 00:15:37,073 --> 00:15:38,375 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 445 00:15:38,423 --> 00:15:39,811 ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 446 00:15:39,859 --> 00:15:41,247 ♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪ 447 00:15:41,295 --> 00:15:42,422 ♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪ 448 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:43,597 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 449 00:15:43,645 --> 00:15:44,729 ♪ Flex n' Flow ♪ 450 00:15:54,003 --> 00:15:56,231 Oh, yes, that's me. 451 00:15:56,358 --> 00:15:58,569 I was a Flow Girl. 452 00:15:58,617 --> 00:16:00,397 Wait. What? 453 00:16:00,445 --> 00:16:03,269 There was a scout who saw me cheering in high school, 454 00:16:03,317 --> 00:16:04,966 and he asked me to audition. 455 00:16:05,014 --> 00:16:07,205 At first, I thought he was just trying to get in my pants. 456 00:16:07,254 --> 00:16:09,909 But it turned out to be legit, 457 00:16:09,957 --> 00:16:12,706 and it was for Flex n' Flow. 458 00:16:12,755 --> 00:16:14,628 I was the biggest fan. 459 00:16:14,676 --> 00:16:16,237 What are you wearing, by the way? 460 00:16:16,285 --> 00:16:17,851 Oh, I teach capoeira 461 00:16:17,899 --> 00:16:20,460 - on Thursdays and Sundays. - Oh. 462 00:16:20,508 --> 00:16:22,201 Did you ever see Flex n' Flow argue, 463 00:16:22,249 --> 00:16:23,369 while you were working with them? 464 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,813 Mm, I mean, well, sure, 465 00:16:25,861 --> 00:16:27,567 but nothing serious. 466 00:16:27,616 --> 00:16:29,750 They were like brothers, and brothers fight. 467 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:31,320 What do you say to the people who are convinced 468 00:16:31,368 --> 00:16:32,995 that your husband killed his late partner? 469 00:16:33,044 --> 00:16:35,867 Oh, honey, this alleged "feud" between Linc and Calvin 470 00:16:35,915 --> 00:16:38,854 has gotten blown way out of proportion over the years. 471 00:16:38,903 --> 00:16:40,567 But what about the night of Calvin's murder? 472 00:16:40,616 --> 00:16:43,018 The infamous pre-release party for "2 Hype Homies"? 473 00:16:43,067 --> 00:16:45,529 Did the party get a little wild? Sure. 474 00:16:45,577 --> 00:16:47,748 Did the police come and break it up? Mm-hmm. 475 00:16:47,796 --> 00:16:50,534 And did Linc and Calvin argue? You bet. 476 00:16:50,582 --> 00:16:52,579 But they were just passionate people. 477 00:16:52,627 --> 00:16:55,713 And nobody ever threatened nobody. 478 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:58,691 Yeah, they, uh, they threatened each other. 479 00:16:59,041 --> 00:17:00,168 I was there. 480 00:17:00,248 --> 00:17:01,854 I was a rookie officer then. 481 00:17:01,941 --> 00:17:04,817 And my T.O. and I had got a 415 call, 482 00:17:04,866 --> 00:17:07,159 for an out-of-control party. 483 00:17:07,207 --> 00:17:11,032 It was a record release event, for Flex n' Flow. 484 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,354 But anyway, as we were breaking things up, 485 00:17:13,403 --> 00:17:15,907 I saw Flex n' Flow in each other's faces. 486 00:17:15,955 --> 00:17:17,955 Could you hear what they were fighting about? 487 00:17:18,003 --> 00:17:20,921 No. Um, as I approached, their limousine was pulling up. 488 00:17:21,023 --> 00:17:22,476 But Flex, um... 489 00:17:22,525 --> 00:17:23,743 Um, I'm sorry, Lincoln... 490 00:17:23,791 --> 00:17:25,202 was still very hot. 491 00:17:25,251 --> 00:17:28,421 He refused to get into the limo with Flow, 492 00:17:28,469 --> 00:17:29,904 and, um... 493 00:17:30,056 --> 00:17:32,303 Yeah, he said that he'd rather walk 494 00:17:32,413 --> 00:17:34,752 than to deal with Flow's nonsense. 495 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,014 Um... 496 00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:37,632 It was a good thing, too. 497 00:17:37,726 --> 00:17:40,279 A devastating loss for the music industry today, 498 00:17:40,327 --> 00:17:41,550 as Calvin Yard, 499 00:17:41,598 --> 00:17:44,283 one half of the popular duo Flex n' Flow, 500 00:17:44,331 --> 00:17:46,633 was gunned down in Los Angeles last night 501 00:17:46,681 --> 00:17:49,157 after leaving his record launch party. 502 00:17:49,205 --> 00:17:51,301 It couldn't have been more than five minutes later, 503 00:17:51,349 --> 00:17:53,453 that we got a, shots-fired call. 504 00:17:53,530 --> 00:17:58,036 As Flow's limo was making the turn on La Cienega, 505 00:17:58,084 --> 00:18:01,336 a car pulled alongside it and unloaded 20 rounds 506 00:18:01,385 --> 00:18:02,817 at the rear of the vehicle. 507 00:18:04,394 --> 00:18:07,421 Flow was shot, seven times. 508 00:18:08,398 --> 00:18:09,829 Yeah. 509 00:18:10,705 --> 00:18:12,640 That was my first homicide. 510 00:18:12,925 --> 00:18:14,400 I'll never forget it. 511 00:18:14,529 --> 00:18:16,146 It changes you. 512 00:18:16,253 --> 00:18:19,746 I did not have anything to do with Calvin's death. 513 00:18:20,461 --> 00:18:21,901 But at the time of his murder, 514 00:18:21,949 --> 00:18:23,497 - all the talk was... - That was garbage, man. 515 00:18:23,546 --> 00:18:24,717 All garbage. 516 00:18:24,766 --> 00:18:26,090 I loved Calvin like a brother. 517 00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:27,511 You know, this... 518 00:18:27,728 --> 00:18:29,246 This is straight-up exploitive. 519 00:18:29,295 --> 00:18:30,578 Calvin's murder was solved, 520 00:18:30,626 --> 00:18:32,207 decades ago, and you know it. 521 00:18:32,293 --> 00:18:35,683 A man named Gary Brown was convicted of Flow's murder. 522 00:18:35,817 --> 00:18:38,250 It turns out Flow was sleeping with Gary's wife. 523 00:18:38,298 --> 00:18:40,650 So as far as the LAPD was concerned, 524 00:18:40,698 --> 00:18:41,883 case closed. 525 00:18:41,932 --> 00:18:43,348 Yeah, but the aura of guilt haunted 526 00:18:43,396 --> 00:18:45,531 Lincoln's reputation like a dark shroud. 527 00:18:46,306 --> 00:18:47,492 I'm sorry. 528 00:18:47,541 --> 00:18:49,300 That was really good. 529 00:18:50,071 --> 00:18:51,490 Thanks. 530 00:18:51,703 --> 00:18:53,662 And with Lincoln alibi'd out, you know, 531 00:18:53,711 --> 00:18:55,679 the investigation focused on Yvonne. 532 00:18:55,728 --> 00:18:57,102 Mrs. Thorsen, how long, 533 00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:58,835 had you been having an affair with Morris Mackey? 534 00:18:58,884 --> 00:19:00,272 Please. 535 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,926 I was not sleeping with him. 536 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:03,038 But the footage... 537 00:19:03,086 --> 00:19:05,057 From "Every Rose Has A Thorsen", we saw it. 538 00:19:05,105 --> 00:19:06,795 That was for the show. 539 00:19:07,109 --> 00:19:08,846 What, are you saying you staged it? 540 00:19:08,938 --> 00:19:12,110 It's a reality show. Of course we staged it. 541 00:19:12,158 --> 00:19:14,155 I can prove it. I have the rest of the footage. 542 00:19:14,203 --> 00:19:16,375 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 543 00:19:19,165 --> 00:19:20,597 What the hell was that?! 544 00:19:20,696 --> 00:19:22,947 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 545 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,216 In my own house! 546 00:19:24,265 --> 00:19:26,298 You got some nerve! 547 00:19:26,346 --> 00:19:28,240 L-Let's talk about all the women you slept with 548 00:19:28,289 --> 00:19:29,910 when you were F-Flex? 549 00:19:29,958 --> 00:19:31,398 Cut! 550 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,914 Cut, cut, cut, cut. 551 00:19:33,962 --> 00:19:35,498 Linc, buddy, 552 00:19:35,546 --> 00:19:37,265 you're going off-script. 553 00:19:37,313 --> 00:19:40,295 "I can't believe you're seriously doing this to me again"? 554 00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:41,356 That's not the line. 555 00:19:41,404 --> 00:19:42,793 Yeah, man, I was improv'ing a little. 556 00:19:42,841 --> 00:19:44,664 Yeah, maybe not do that, okay? 557 00:19:44,712 --> 00:19:46,318 It's a lot more powerful if this is the first time 558 00:19:46,366 --> 00:19:47,711 Yvonne has stepped out on you. 559 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:49,713 Okay. So, Morris, how did I do? 560 00:19:49,911 --> 00:19:51,271 It was a bit big. 561 00:19:51,414 --> 00:19:53,281 Yeah, maybe, uh, dial it back a hair. 562 00:19:53,422 --> 00:19:54,593 Let's go again. 563 00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:56,110 Back to one. 564 00:19:56,158 --> 00:19:57,372 Go. 565 00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:58,724 We're making a show, people. 566 00:20:00,254 --> 00:20:01,774 None of that was in the footage, 567 00:20:01,822 --> 00:20:03,094 you turned over to us. 568 00:20:03,191 --> 00:20:04,797 Oops. My bad. 569 00:20:04,846 --> 00:20:06,991 We want everything... now... 570 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,993 or you'll be arrested for obstruction. 571 00:20:09,245 --> 00:20:11,473 Ooh, that was good. 572 00:20:11,521 --> 00:20:13,475 Do you think I can get a copy of that? 573 00:20:13,523 --> 00:20:15,477 That will play really well in the show. 574 00:20:15,525 --> 00:20:17,175 Mrs. Thorsen, this is serious. 575 00:20:17,223 --> 00:20:19,003 Morris Mackey was murdered in your house. 576 00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,569 Your son is still a suspect. 577 00:20:20,617 --> 00:20:22,615 Just like the police to only focus 578 00:20:22,663 --> 00:20:24,748 on what's in front of their nose. 579 00:20:24,796 --> 00:20:27,402 Morris Mackey didn't just appear out of thin air 580 00:20:27,450 --> 00:20:28,882 when he started working for me. 581 00:20:28,930 --> 00:20:31,450 Honey, the man had enemies. 582 00:20:36,677 --> 00:20:38,109 They're the crazy ones! 583 00:20:38,157 --> 00:20:39,632 We're the sane ones! 584 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,940 You're the cult! You're sheep! 585 00:20:41,989 --> 00:20:43,897 Prior to working with the Thorsen family, 586 00:20:43,945 --> 00:20:47,195 Morris had been hired by a bunch of QAnon conspiracy theorists. 587 00:20:47,364 --> 00:20:48,708 Apparently, they didn't like 588 00:20:48,756 --> 00:20:50,687 the negative publicity they were getting, 589 00:20:50,735 --> 00:20:52,580 and they wanted to show their side. 590 00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:53,951 Try to control the narrative. 591 00:20:53,999 --> 00:20:55,280 - Mm. - So what happened? 592 00:20:55,328 --> 00:20:57,019 Morris was allowed into the inner sanctum. 593 00:20:57,133 --> 00:20:58,677 Conducted dozens of interviews, 594 00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:00,781 with founders and followers, but... 595 00:21:00,829 --> 00:21:02,042 He didn't make a propaganda film, 596 00:21:02,091 --> 00:21:03,264 he told the truth. 597 00:21:03,312 --> 00:21:04,526 We're in a war. 598 00:21:04,574 --> 00:21:05,911 Every one of us is prepared 599 00:21:05,959 --> 00:21:07,325 to start killing, for our freedom. 600 00:21:07,374 --> 00:21:08,521 Morris may have won an Emmy, 601 00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:10,503 but he also pissed off a lot of unhinged 602 00:21:10,552 --> 00:21:12,012 and hyper-violent people. 603 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:13,622 The storm is coming. 604 00:21:13,670 --> 00:21:15,431 There will be retribution. 605 00:21:16,232 --> 00:21:18,033 I've heard rumors that you have insight 606 00:21:18,081 --> 00:21:19,493 into the QAnon angle on this case. 607 00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:22,611 Have you ever tried to put toothpaste back in the tube? 608 00:21:22,659 --> 00:21:24,700 Look, I know it's an expression, 609 00:21:24,748 --> 00:21:27,181 but have you actually tried to do it? 610 00:21:27,488 --> 00:21:28,748 I have. 611 00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:30,576 It's basically impossible. 612 00:21:30,624 --> 00:21:32,317 And what do you think Q is trying to tell people 613 00:21:32,365 --> 00:21:34,943 with his Q-Drops, these cryptic messages? 614 00:21:35,004 --> 00:21:36,523 I really wasn't trying to say anything. 615 00:21:36,572 --> 00:21:39,614 I was just typing, and maybe I got a little carried away. 616 00:21:39,781 --> 00:21:41,540 Wait. What did you say? 617 00:21:42,636 --> 00:21:45,075 Well, I guess now is as good a time as any, 618 00:21:45,123 --> 00:21:46,591 to reveal it. 619 00:21:48,677 --> 00:21:50,073 I'm Q. 620 00:21:50,121 --> 00:21:51,423 Smitty is Q? 621 00:21:51,472 --> 00:21:52,503 I'm sorry. What? 622 00:21:52,552 --> 00:21:54,159 - Lord, give me strength. - What? 623 00:21:54,208 --> 00:21:56,602 A lot of writers use pseudonyms. 624 00:21:56,724 --> 00:21:59,300 Q is my first initial, so... 625 00:21:59,488 --> 00:22:01,417 Hey, is my name down there? 626 00:22:02,907 --> 00:22:04,568 But it was an accident? He... 627 00:22:04,616 --> 00:22:06,351 He didn't start it on purpose? 628 00:22:06,399 --> 00:22:07,559 That's what he said. 629 00:22:07,607 --> 00:22:08,962 Yeah, sounds like Smitty. 630 00:22:09,010 --> 00:22:11,094 I was trying to start the fan-fiction club 631 00:22:11,142 --> 00:22:13,706 for "This Is Us," and things just got out of hand. 632 00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:15,474 What the hell does "This is Us" fanfic 633 00:22:15,522 --> 00:22:16,665 have to do with a cult? 634 00:22:16,713 --> 00:22:19,799 I mistakenly mixed cough syrup with diet pills 635 00:22:19,847 --> 00:22:22,674 when I was writing this satanic, alien story line 636 00:22:22,723 --> 00:22:24,586 for Jack and Rebecca. 637 00:22:24,634 --> 00:22:27,007 I woke up the next morning and read it... 638 00:22:27,420 --> 00:22:28,721 None of it made sense. 639 00:22:28,769 --> 00:22:31,027 But, overnight, I'd gotten so many followers, 640 00:22:31,075 --> 00:22:32,333 I just went with it. 641 00:22:32,381 --> 00:22:35,197 You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. 642 00:22:36,429 --> 00:22:38,431 Morris had received threats, 643 00:22:38,479 --> 00:22:40,805 from hundreds of QAnon followers, but, 644 00:22:41,045 --> 00:22:42,661 when we started investigating them, 645 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:44,751 one immediately stood out. 646 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,161 Tell me about Connor Hart. 647 00:22:46,215 --> 00:22:47,544 What about him got your attention? 648 00:22:47,593 --> 00:22:50,991 Well, he was working as a cameraman on the reality show, so... 649 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:52,397 That. 650 00:22:53,576 --> 00:22:55,538 Connor, thanks for coming down. 651 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,489 I'm not in trouble, am I? 652 00:22:57,537 --> 00:23:00,016 No. We just need to clear a few things up. 653 00:23:00,502 --> 00:23:02,382 I told you everything I know. 654 00:23:02,879 --> 00:23:04,482 I was getting a battery, and, 655 00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:05,965 he was just lying there. 656 00:23:06,154 --> 00:23:07,507 I'm not sure if you're aware, 657 00:23:07,556 --> 00:23:10,194 but it's common to run background checks on witnesses. 658 00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:11,944 And when we looked into you, we discovered, 659 00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:13,225 that you're a member of QAnon. 660 00:23:13,274 --> 00:23:14,582 No, no, no, I... 661 00:23:14,702 --> 00:23:16,812 I may have gone to a political rally or two, 662 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:18,205 but I'm really not into that. 663 00:23:18,646 --> 00:23:19,946 I swear. 664 00:23:20,107 --> 00:23:21,600 We're in a war. 665 00:23:21,648 --> 00:23:24,472 Every one of us is prepared to start killing for our freedom. 666 00:23:24,602 --> 00:23:26,039 The storm is coming. 667 00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:27,608 There will be retribution. 668 00:23:33,050 --> 00:23:35,614 So, clearly, you are a follower of Q. 669 00:23:35,662 --> 00:23:36,832 Why would you work for Morris? 670 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,291 Honestly? 671 00:23:38,490 --> 00:23:39,878 I realized, Morris was the best thing 672 00:23:39,927 --> 00:23:41,349 that could have happened to the movement. 673 00:23:41,668 --> 00:23:42,838 That makes no sense. 674 00:23:43,024 --> 00:23:44,439 But it does. 675 00:23:44,714 --> 00:23:47,452 Morris's documentary exposed who was a true believer. 676 00:23:47,716 --> 00:23:49,290 And who wasn't. 677 00:23:50,004 --> 00:23:51,661 He never admitted it, 678 00:23:52,069 --> 00:23:54,430 but, I think Morris was working for Q. 679 00:23:55,159 --> 00:23:56,897 That's why I followed him to the next gig. 680 00:23:57,031 --> 00:23:59,435 Do you still consider yourself a believer of Q? 681 00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:01,575 Well, some stuff didn't come true. 682 00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:04,425 The London bombing, the Pope's arrest, 683 00:24:04,473 --> 00:24:05,818 Zuckerberg still has a job. 684 00:24:05,866 --> 00:24:07,559 January 20th came and went, 685 00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:09,499 March 4th came and went. 686 00:24:09,739 --> 00:24:12,107 I'm starting to think Kennedy is still dead. 687 00:24:12,525 --> 00:24:13,608 Both of them. 688 00:24:13,656 --> 00:24:14,787 Mm. 689 00:24:14,836 --> 00:24:17,791 So you don't believe in Q anymore? 690 00:24:17,965 --> 00:24:19,658 Oh, I believe every word. 691 00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:21,181 Connor was, um... 692 00:24:21,229 --> 00:24:22,693 Deranged? 693 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:24,576 Let's say... 694 00:24:24,624 --> 00:24:27,225 Reality-challenged, which doesn't make him a killer. 695 00:24:27,274 --> 00:24:28,342 No. 696 00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:30,059 And the fact that he had a camera on his shoulder, 697 00:24:30,107 --> 00:24:31,931 for the entire murder window, 698 00:24:31,979 --> 00:24:34,888 means that he couldn't have killed Morris, so... 699 00:24:34,936 --> 00:24:36,065 We were back to square one. 700 00:24:36,113 --> 00:24:37,893 When the QAnon lead didn't pan out, 701 00:24:37,941 --> 00:24:39,721 how did you pick up the pieces of the case? 702 00:24:39,769 --> 00:24:42,463 We rolled up our sleeves and put in the hours. 703 00:24:42,511 --> 00:24:44,222 We took on the painstaking process, 704 00:24:44,271 --> 00:24:46,728 of reviewing every piece of video Morris shot, 705 00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:49,260 in the weeks before he died, including, 706 00:24:49,308 --> 00:24:51,797 the footage Yvonne "forgot" to give us. 707 00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:54,040 Until I found something that changed everything. 708 00:24:56,787 --> 00:24:58,235 Lopez! 709 00:24:58,714 --> 00:25:00,232 Come look at this! 710 00:25:00,351 --> 00:25:02,001 So I immediately informed Detective Lopez 711 00:25:02,050 --> 00:25:03,121 of what I discovered. 712 00:25:03,170 --> 00:25:04,965 - Look what I just found. - Wow. 713 00:25:05,084 --> 00:25:06,167 What? 714 00:25:06,274 --> 00:25:07,587 Look. 715 00:25:08,488 --> 00:25:10,142 Okay. 716 00:25:15,501 --> 00:25:18,015 I thought I knew everything about Patrick's murder. 717 00:25:18,199 --> 00:25:19,753 I had done my homework. 718 00:25:20,506 --> 00:25:22,848 But the truth, was hiding right in front of me, 719 00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:24,268 all this time. 720 00:25:24,945 --> 00:25:26,068 I know, 721 00:25:26,116 --> 00:25:27,766 who killed Patrick Hayes. 722 00:25:27,991 --> 00:25:29,465 And I can prove it. I... 723 00:25:32,082 --> 00:25:33,615 Uh, someone's here. 724 00:25:34,448 --> 00:25:35,618 More to follow. 725 00:25:35,738 --> 00:25:37,318 That video was recorded 726 00:25:37,366 --> 00:25:39,368 minutes before Morris was murdered. 727 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:42,290 I mean, Morris claiming 728 00:25:42,338 --> 00:25:43,436 that he knew who the killer was, 729 00:25:43,485 --> 00:25:44,782 must've been energizing for you. 730 00:25:44,831 --> 00:25:46,462 Finally a break in your roommate's murder... 731 00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:47,626 No, he... 732 00:25:47,674 --> 00:25:49,062 He wasn't my roommate. 733 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,593 And I, I hate when people call him that... 734 00:25:51,642 --> 00:25:52,720 you know, like we, 735 00:25:52,768 --> 00:25:54,478 found each other on some French Craigslist, 736 00:25:54,527 --> 00:25:55,616 or something like that. 737 00:25:55,665 --> 00:25:56,860 Patrick was my best friend, 738 00:25:56,908 --> 00:25:58,340 from the time that we were little kids. 739 00:25:58,388 --> 00:25:59,749 I mean, I was at his house so often, 740 00:25:59,798 --> 00:26:01,489 his dad bought us two of everything, 741 00:26:01,538 --> 00:26:02,796 you know, like siblings. 742 00:26:02,845 --> 00:26:04,427 Yeah, Patrick was my brother. 743 00:26:04,568 --> 00:26:05,968 How did it feel to hear that Morris thought 744 00:26:06,016 --> 00:26:07,657 he'd discovered who killed Patrick? 745 00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:08,947 I mean... 746 00:26:09,048 --> 00:26:12,179 There had been so many theories over the years. 747 00:26:12,228 --> 00:26:15,470 And so many people think that they had it figured out, I... 748 00:26:15,602 --> 00:26:18,412 I just, never really got my hopes up about it. 749 00:26:18,461 --> 00:26:19,798 This was different, though. I mean, 750 00:26:19,846 --> 00:26:21,851 he made a break in the case, and died minutes later. 751 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:23,234 You have to see the connection. 752 00:26:23,283 --> 00:26:25,038 Well, uh... 753 00:26:25,282 --> 00:26:27,631 In the words of Detective Harper... 754 00:26:27,983 --> 00:26:29,665 We look for facts, 755 00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:31,068 not stories. 756 00:26:31,116 --> 00:26:32,766 Yeah, sure, but, I mean, the timing... 757 00:26:32,814 --> 00:26:34,942 I mean, these murders had to be related. 758 00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:37,423 Whoever killed Patrick also killed Morris. 759 00:26:37,471 --> 00:26:39,071 Is it possible, Morris found out, 760 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,426 that Aaron was the killer all along? 761 00:26:40,474 --> 00:26:41,524 Not a chance. 762 00:26:41,572 --> 00:26:42,884 The Paris police never had 763 00:26:42,932 --> 00:26:45,474 a shred of evidence, against Aaron. 764 00:26:45,522 --> 00:26:47,294 They fumbled the entire case. 765 00:26:47,343 --> 00:26:48,601 Right off the bat, the paparazzi 766 00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:50,261 completely contaminated the crime scene. 767 00:27:07,501 --> 00:27:09,542 But Aaron's DNA was all over the murder weapon. 768 00:27:09,633 --> 00:27:12,091 You mean the knife the killer pulled from the kitchen block, 769 00:27:12,139 --> 00:27:14,127 on Aaron and Patrick's counter? What... 770 00:27:14,175 --> 00:27:16,200 What do you want to bet, that if we went to your house, 771 00:27:16,248 --> 00:27:17,431 we'd find your DNA, 772 00:27:17,479 --> 00:27:19,213 all over your stuff too? I mean... 773 00:27:20,814 --> 00:27:22,929 - Was that too mean? - No... 774 00:27:23,161 --> 00:27:24,636 That actually felt good. 775 00:27:24,727 --> 00:27:26,132 It was a dumb question. 776 00:27:26,181 --> 00:27:27,218 From the beginning, 777 00:27:27,267 --> 00:27:28,713 the French police's case against Aaron 778 00:27:28,761 --> 00:27:30,267 - seemed flawed... - Oh, yeah. 779 00:27:30,369 --> 00:27:32,482 Their case was a mess, and, 780 00:27:32,530 --> 00:27:34,044 their forensics were compromised. 781 00:27:34,092 --> 00:27:35,663 I mean, the theory that Aaron 782 00:27:35,711 --> 00:27:37,228 killed Patrick because he didn't do 783 00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:38,881 his share of the chores, never made sense. 784 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:40,684 For one thing, they had a housekeeper. 785 00:27:40,765 --> 00:27:42,400 For another, Aaron is not a psychopath, 786 00:27:42,449 --> 00:27:44,375 which you would have to be, to stab your roommate, 787 00:27:44,424 --> 00:27:46,198 for leaving dirty dishes in the sink. 788 00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:48,751 I mean, I've come close to stabbing him, 789 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,766 over dirty dishes, but... 790 00:27:51,095 --> 00:27:52,411 That's different, we're married. 791 00:27:52,459 --> 00:27:53,563 Mm. 792 00:27:53,612 --> 00:27:55,052 What do you say to the theory, 793 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,024 that Aaron had a falling out, with his roommate? 794 00:27:57,072 --> 00:27:59,766 Aaron and Patrick, were out partying that night. 795 00:27:59,814 --> 00:28:01,463 Does that sound like a broken friendship 796 00:28:01,511 --> 00:28:02,682 careening towards murder? 797 00:28:02,731 --> 00:28:03,672 By his own admission, 798 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,293 Aaron was taking prescription drugs. 799 00:28:05,341 --> 00:28:08,165 Yeah, for a football injury he got in high school. 800 00:28:08,213 --> 00:28:09,740 They impair your ability 801 00:28:09,788 --> 00:28:12,324 to operate heavy machinery, not-not... 802 00:28:12,539 --> 00:28:14,171 Turn you into a hardened killer. 803 00:28:15,738 --> 00:28:17,479 Aaron passed out early. 804 00:28:17,832 --> 00:28:19,186 Woke up in the middle of the night. 805 00:28:19,235 --> 00:28:20,948 Went to pee, and, 806 00:28:21,418 --> 00:28:22,949 found Patrick's body. 807 00:28:31,697 --> 00:28:34,749 The French police took one look at a young Black man, 808 00:28:34,798 --> 00:28:36,455 and decided he was the killer. 809 00:28:36,503 --> 00:28:38,935 I mean, they didn't even pursue any other suspects. 810 00:28:38,983 --> 00:28:40,811 Bonjour, I appreciate you speaking with me. 811 00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:42,772 Your accent is terrible. 812 00:28:43,074 --> 00:28:44,954 Um, Detective, you've been accused of leading, 813 00:28:45,002 --> 00:28:46,938 an incredibly biased investigation... 814 00:28:47,009 --> 00:28:48,727 Mais non. 815 00:28:48,795 --> 00:28:50,095 We followed the facts. 816 00:28:50,178 --> 00:28:51,899 Mm, and the fact that Patrick 817 00:28:51,947 --> 00:28:53,565 picked up a woman at the club that night? 818 00:28:53,614 --> 00:28:54,734 Collette Lavinge? 819 00:28:54,852 --> 00:28:57,380 She was seen leaving, the apartment, 820 00:28:57,436 --> 00:28:58,868 before the time of death. 821 00:28:58,916 --> 00:29:00,087 Understand? 822 00:29:00,136 --> 00:29:02,584 What about her jealous, controlling boyfriend? 823 00:29:02,633 --> 00:29:04,306 Did you interview him? 824 00:29:05,844 --> 00:29:08,451 - No. We did not. - Mm. 825 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:10,981 But the thing that ultimately got you released from prison, 826 00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:12,478 was the identification of this man. 827 00:29:12,756 --> 00:29:14,394 Yeah. Collette's boyfriend, Julien. 828 00:29:14,443 --> 00:29:15,547 Handsome. 829 00:29:15,595 --> 00:29:16,712 French. 830 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,090 And, you know, 831 00:29:18,138 --> 00:29:19,630 let's just say it, he's super white. 832 00:29:19,678 --> 00:29:21,868 You know? Uh, what is... 833 00:29:21,946 --> 00:29:24,067 What is "Finance Bro", in French? 834 00:29:24,209 --> 00:29:26,387 Shouldn't you know that? You spent years in France. 835 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,745 Yeah, but I didn't... 836 00:29:27,793 --> 00:29:28,855 I didn't retain it. 837 00:29:29,031 --> 00:29:30,579 It was actually, 838 00:29:30,627 --> 00:29:32,188 a group of Internet sleuths, 839 00:29:32,236 --> 00:29:33,773 who found Collette's boyfriend. 840 00:29:33,821 --> 00:29:35,927 They spent countless hours, 841 00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:37,252 investigating Aaron's case. 842 00:29:37,301 --> 00:29:38,865 They also pointed the finger at dozens 843 00:29:38,913 --> 00:29:40,562 of innocent people, ruining their lives. 844 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:43,225 Yes. Some members of the group took it a little too far. 845 00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:44,740 We've been looking at 846 00:29:44,788 --> 00:29:46,058 the Internet sleuths, actually. 847 00:29:46,268 --> 00:29:48,917 Any chance you post under the title 848 00:29:49,074 --> 00:29:50,494 "truecrimejunkie"? 849 00:29:51,231 --> 00:29:52,538 I... 850 00:29:53,524 --> 00:29:54,696 That-That... 851 00:29:54,744 --> 00:29:56,274 That doesn't s... 852 00:29:56,352 --> 00:29:58,009 I might have logged on once... 853 00:29:58,057 --> 00:30:00,127 - Once or twice, yeah. - Seriously? 854 00:30:00,543 --> 00:30:01,834 I mean, can you not see, 855 00:30:01,882 --> 00:30:03,890 how people would take that as a clear sign of bias? 856 00:30:03,938 --> 00:30:05,313 I categorically deny, 857 00:30:05,361 --> 00:30:07,652 any preferential treatment, okay? 858 00:30:07,735 --> 00:30:09,281 How can you say that with a straight face, 859 00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:10,333 when it was revealed that Julien, 860 00:30:10,381 --> 00:30:12,289 was the son of the French Finance Minister? 861 00:30:12,337 --> 00:30:13,417 Are you telling me you didn't get 862 00:30:13,465 --> 00:30:15,066 a phone call asking you... 863 00:30:15,114 --> 00:30:15,970 Merci beaucoup. 864 00:30:16,052 --> 00:30:17,310 C'est terminé. 865 00:30:17,368 --> 00:30:18,426 Merci. 866 00:30:18,474 --> 00:30:20,444 Oh, come on, don't do that. Come back. 867 00:30:20,493 --> 00:30:21,837 So, it must've been so frustrating, 868 00:30:21,885 --> 00:30:23,219 to learn that the French police 869 00:30:23,267 --> 00:30:25,330 knew his identity, before your first trial, and, 870 00:30:25,378 --> 00:30:26,652 didn't say anything. 871 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,105 I mean, yeah. The-the good news was that, 872 00:30:29,153 --> 00:30:31,529 the fact that they ignored Julien... 873 00:30:31,578 --> 00:30:33,659 Uh, it got me my retrial. 874 00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:36,233 But, the bad news was, 875 00:30:36,281 --> 00:30:38,688 the unidentified DNA on the knife, it... 876 00:30:38,736 --> 00:30:40,623 It didn't belong to Julien, so he... 877 00:30:40,671 --> 00:30:42,096 You know, he had an alibi. 878 00:30:42,145 --> 00:30:43,608 As horrible as the experience was, 879 00:30:43,657 --> 00:30:45,110 is there anything that you actually miss, 880 00:30:45,158 --> 00:30:46,682 - from that time? - I miss? 881 00:30:47,024 --> 00:30:48,266 God, no. 882 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,645 W... 883 00:30:50,158 --> 00:30:51,538 Well, Carlos. 884 00:30:51,923 --> 00:30:53,811 - Carlos? - Yeah. 885 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:55,996 Uh, Carlos the Jackal. 886 00:30:56,052 --> 00:30:57,441 He-he, was my cellmate. 887 00:30:57,621 --> 00:30:59,231 And, uh, man, pbht, 888 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:00,553 he has some stories. 889 00:31:00,602 --> 00:31:02,012 So you're saying the Jackal, 890 00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,199 got you through your year and a half of incarceration? 891 00:31:04,248 --> 00:31:05,418 No. 892 00:31:05,473 --> 00:31:06,523 My mom did. 893 00:31:06,571 --> 00:31:07,942 Yeah, I don't... 894 00:31:08,082 --> 00:31:10,079 I don't think I would have got through it, without her. 895 00:31:10,181 --> 00:31:11,526 Um... 896 00:31:11,614 --> 00:31:15,309 She actually leased an apartment in Paris, 897 00:31:15,357 --> 00:31:16,789 until I was released. 898 00:31:16,837 --> 00:31:18,970 And, uh, she visited me every week. 899 00:31:19,019 --> 00:31:20,967 And I'll tell you what. If they would have let her, 900 00:31:21,015 --> 00:31:22,375 she would have been over there every day. 901 00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:23,842 Of course I moved to Paris. 902 00:31:23,891 --> 00:31:25,145 I'm his mother. 903 00:31:25,193 --> 00:31:27,930 I would have served the prison time for him, if I could. 904 00:31:28,009 --> 00:31:30,024 - You're a close family. - We are. 905 00:31:30,095 --> 00:31:31,412 We've been tested. 906 00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:33,153 Were you close with Patrick? 907 00:31:33,469 --> 00:31:34,596 Yes. 908 00:31:34,645 --> 00:31:35,803 I adored him. 909 00:31:35,852 --> 00:31:37,244 He was a wonderful boy. 910 00:31:37,293 --> 00:31:38,343 According to your friends, 911 00:31:38,392 --> 00:31:39,753 you thought Patrick was a troublemaker, 912 00:31:39,801 --> 00:31:40,859 and a bad influence on Aaron. 913 00:31:40,908 --> 00:31:43,032 Anyone who said that, was lying. 914 00:31:43,157 --> 00:31:44,330 Yvonne... 915 00:31:44,378 --> 00:31:46,820 Were you in Paris, the day Patrick was murdered? 916 00:31:47,606 --> 00:31:50,092 Of course not. I was here in LA. 917 00:31:50,666 --> 00:31:51,967 How do you explain this footage, 918 00:31:52,016 --> 00:31:53,954 taken the day of Patrick's murder? 919 00:32:01,882 --> 00:32:03,370 Oh, hell, no. 920 00:32:03,419 --> 00:32:04,626 This interview is over. 921 00:32:04,704 --> 00:32:06,360 - Yvonne. - No. No. 922 00:32:06,408 --> 00:32:08,532 We did not okay this question. 923 00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:10,146 Who do you think you are? 924 00:32:10,453 --> 00:32:12,672 - Fired! - I actually don't work for you. 925 00:32:12,785 --> 00:32:15,029 You need to kiss my ass. 926 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,939 Did you know that your mother was in Paris, 927 00:32:16,987 --> 00:32:18,566 the day that Patrick was killed? 928 00:32:18,787 --> 00:32:20,128 What? 929 00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:21,555 No, she was... 930 00:32:21,713 --> 00:32:22,926 She was home in LA. 931 00:32:23,061 --> 00:32:24,414 Mm, we have footage of her, 932 00:32:24,462 --> 00:32:25,754 shopping on the Champs-Elysées, 933 00:32:25,802 --> 00:32:27,763 - the night of the murder. - Okay, well, that... 934 00:32:27,811 --> 00:32:29,097 That's impossible. 935 00:32:29,246 --> 00:32:30,686 Isn't this her? 936 00:32:40,268 --> 00:32:41,593 Okay. 937 00:32:43,072 --> 00:32:44,765 Officer Thorsen, come back. 938 00:32:45,002 --> 00:32:46,975 Come on. Let's finish this interview. 939 00:32:47,206 --> 00:32:49,050 Hey, there he is. 940 00:32:49,209 --> 00:32:50,569 - You lied to me. - Jimmy, get down. 941 00:32:50,618 --> 00:32:51,904 You lied to everyone. 942 00:32:51,984 --> 00:32:53,984 I didn't want all my private business out there, 943 00:32:54,033 --> 00:32:55,094 for all the world to see. 944 00:32:55,143 --> 00:32:56,646 Mom, you are literally producing 945 00:32:56,694 --> 00:32:58,314 a reality show about our lives. 946 00:32:58,363 --> 00:32:59,689 That's different. 947 00:32:59,784 --> 00:33:01,229 I was on trial for murder, 948 00:33:01,277 --> 00:33:03,167 - fighting for my life. - Exactly. 949 00:33:03,235 --> 00:33:05,773 The fact that I was even in Paris, on that night... 950 00:33:05,822 --> 00:33:06,953 how does that help you? 951 00:33:07,002 --> 00:33:08,026 And what was your reaction, 952 00:33:08,074 --> 00:33:09,354 to the revelation that Aaron's mother 953 00:33:09,402 --> 00:33:10,805 was in Paris at the time of the murder? 954 00:33:10,854 --> 00:33:11,916 Like, bombshell. 955 00:33:11,965 --> 00:33:12,986 Game changer. I mean, 956 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,012 none of this stuff came out at the time of the trial. 957 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:16,361 This is... 958 00:33:16,409 --> 00:33:18,363 It's so exciting, what it means for the case... 959 00:33:18,411 --> 00:33:20,307 Not for Aaron. His mom lied to him. 960 00:33:20,706 --> 00:33:22,057 Y-Yes, that... 961 00:33:22,105 --> 00:33:23,787 Well, that is true. 962 00:33:26,115 --> 00:33:27,416 Thanks for coming back in. 963 00:33:27,549 --> 00:33:28,948 We just need to clear something up, 964 00:33:28,996 --> 00:33:30,201 about the night Patrick was killed. 965 00:33:30,249 --> 00:33:31,291 Patrick? 966 00:33:31,339 --> 00:33:33,126 I thought this was about Morris's murder. 967 00:33:33,175 --> 00:33:34,647 Oh, it's about both. 968 00:33:34,859 --> 00:33:38,227 See, you felt Patrick was a bad influence on your son. 969 00:33:38,388 --> 00:33:40,643 So you flew Aaron to Paris, to separate them. 970 00:33:40,752 --> 00:33:42,846 Only Patrick, followed Aaron there, 971 00:33:43,001 --> 00:33:45,129 so, you took matters into your own hands. 972 00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:46,513 You flew to Paris, 973 00:33:46,571 --> 00:33:47,623 you killed Patrick. 974 00:33:47,672 --> 00:33:49,539 But somehow, Morris found out, 975 00:33:49,697 --> 00:33:51,872 so, to keep your deadly secret, 976 00:33:52,097 --> 00:33:53,679 you killed him too. 977 00:33:55,013 --> 00:33:58,424 Yeah, that's a fun theory... 978 00:33:58,626 --> 00:34:00,954 A good story, but you're wrong. 979 00:34:01,106 --> 00:34:02,799 Then explain why you went to Paris, 980 00:34:02,847 --> 00:34:04,612 and, why you kept it a secret. 981 00:34:04,688 --> 00:34:08,088 Because, I was with Jean-Pierre Darby. 982 00:34:08,137 --> 00:34:09,501 - Who? - The footballer? 983 00:34:09,549 --> 00:34:11,035 Yes, we met a month before, 984 00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:12,748 at a fashion show in Milan. 985 00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:13,904 I'm... 986 00:34:13,952 --> 00:34:15,233 I'm sorry, you went to Paris, 987 00:34:15,281 --> 00:34:16,848 for an international bootie call? 988 00:34:16,897 --> 00:34:17,950 Yes. 989 00:34:17,999 --> 00:34:19,628 And we were in bed all night. 990 00:34:19,677 --> 00:34:20,861 Ask him. 991 00:34:21,014 --> 00:34:22,920 Hell, ask the neighbors. 992 00:34:23,286 --> 00:34:24,615 They were determined, 993 00:34:24,664 --> 00:34:25,730 to convict you. 994 00:34:25,779 --> 00:34:27,563 Had it come out, that I was in town, 995 00:34:27,611 --> 00:34:29,130 they would've used it against you, 996 00:34:29,178 --> 00:34:31,915 said that we were conspiring, to kill Patrick. 997 00:34:32,082 --> 00:34:33,928 Coming clean would've only hurt your case, 998 00:34:33,976 --> 00:34:35,175 made it worse. 999 00:34:35,224 --> 00:34:37,389 Yeah, you know what? I forgot how good you are at that. 1000 00:34:37,467 --> 00:34:38,530 At what? 1001 00:34:38,579 --> 00:34:40,032 At justifying yourself. 1002 00:34:40,419 --> 00:34:41,928 You lied in a murder trial, 1003 00:34:41,976 --> 00:34:43,457 you cheated on your husband, 1004 00:34:43,506 --> 00:34:45,015 and now you're the hero, right? 1005 00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:46,974 Yeah. Sure, Mom. 1006 00:34:47,053 --> 00:34:48,490 We'll go with that. 1007 00:34:53,506 --> 00:34:55,386 You accused Aaron's mother of the murder. 1008 00:34:55,434 --> 00:34:56,749 With almost no evidence to back it up. 1009 00:34:56,988 --> 00:34:58,202 I, I did. 1010 00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:00,159 And, uh... 1011 00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:01,510 In my defense, 1012 00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:03,643 I'd been scrubbing reality show footage, 1013 00:35:03,691 --> 00:35:05,631 for over 200 hours at that point. 1014 00:35:05,734 --> 00:35:07,124 So who broke the case? 1015 00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:08,642 Oh, that was Detective Lopez. 1016 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,693 My wife is a badass. 1017 00:35:10,741 --> 00:35:12,260 We knew the murders were connected. 1018 00:35:12,308 --> 00:35:13,957 And we knew that Patrick's murder in Paris 1019 00:35:14,005 --> 00:35:16,084 was never properly investigated, so... 1020 00:35:16,132 --> 00:35:17,744 I dug back into that case. 1021 00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:19,876 Right now I'm just trying to build a timeline, 1022 00:35:19,924 --> 00:35:22,487 getting to know more about Patrick's life. 1023 00:35:22,535 --> 00:35:24,568 What did the four of you do that last month? 1024 00:35:24,712 --> 00:35:25,969 No detail is too small. 1025 00:35:26,235 --> 00:35:27,878 Um... 1026 00:35:28,106 --> 00:35:29,850 Let's ask my brain. 1027 00:35:30,948 --> 00:35:33,125 I can tell you one thing that we definitely didn't do. 1028 00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:34,325 Go to class. 1029 00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:35,669 I mean, Aaron's parents let him borrow 1030 00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:37,315 their private jet anytime he wanted, 1031 00:35:37,363 --> 00:35:38,760 so we went all around Europe. 1032 00:35:38,815 --> 00:35:40,966 I mean, Italy. 1033 00:35:41,294 --> 00:35:42,372 Greece. 1034 00:35:42,421 --> 00:35:44,137 French Riviera. 1035 00:35:44,295 --> 00:35:46,159 - Can I see? - Yeah. 1036 00:35:46,357 --> 00:35:47,778 I thought, screw school, 1037 00:35:47,827 --> 00:35:48,886 when am I ever gonna get to visit 1038 00:35:48,935 --> 00:35:50,682 planet rich again, right? So... 1039 00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:52,608 Santorini for the weekend? 1040 00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:53,997 Yes, please. 1041 00:35:54,045 --> 00:35:55,738 These photos of you guys on the tarmac, 1042 00:35:55,786 --> 00:35:57,653 you always have so much luggage. 1043 00:35:57,702 --> 00:35:58,713 I know. 1044 00:35:58,762 --> 00:36:01,426 Rowan always acted like it was the Oregon Trail. 1045 00:36:01,544 --> 00:36:03,050 Why? Every time I've seen him, 1046 00:36:03,098 --> 00:36:04,921 he was wearing a golf tee and jeans. 1047 00:36:04,969 --> 00:36:06,357 Not exactly a clotheshorse. 1048 00:36:06,592 --> 00:36:08,190 Oh, uh... 1049 00:36:08,886 --> 00:36:10,057 True. 1050 00:36:10,105 --> 00:36:11,321 I wonder what was in there. 1051 00:36:11,574 --> 00:36:13,702 Did you ever see Rowan with drugs back then? 1052 00:36:13,891 --> 00:36:14,977 I mean... 1053 00:36:15,025 --> 00:36:16,247 Yeah, he was always kind of 1054 00:36:16,295 --> 00:36:17,386 "the life of the party," 1055 00:36:17,435 --> 00:36:18,943 if you know what I mean. Why? 1056 00:36:18,991 --> 00:36:20,011 Before Paris, 1057 00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:22,373 Rowan's family in Iowa, was in financial trouble. 1058 00:36:22,421 --> 00:36:23,670 He almost dropped out of school. 1059 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,195 Now, he lives in Brentwood, and drives a Porsche. 1060 00:36:26,338 --> 00:36:27,778 I guess? 1061 00:36:28,166 --> 00:36:29,466 I... 1062 00:36:29,514 --> 00:36:31,955 I see you're very excited, and I love that, I... 1063 00:36:32,168 --> 00:36:33,253 I'm not really following. 1064 00:36:33,302 --> 00:36:34,352 I... 1065 00:36:35,513 --> 00:36:36,823 Hey, Nolan. 1066 00:36:36,956 --> 00:36:38,213 Where's Rowan? 1067 00:36:38,317 --> 00:36:39,839 Uh, he just left. 1068 00:36:39,888 --> 00:36:41,807 - Why? I thought you were done with him? - I was... 1069 00:36:41,855 --> 00:36:44,053 Until I realized, he's the one who killed Patrick. 1070 00:36:44,959 --> 00:36:46,912 Alright. Here we go. 1071 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,836 - Here we go. - Nice, nice. 1072 00:36:48,884 --> 00:36:50,011 Bro, it's been crazy. 1073 00:36:50,059 --> 00:36:51,419 I've added like half a million followers 1074 00:36:51,467 --> 00:36:52,709 from all the publicity. 1075 00:36:52,758 --> 00:36:53,927 What? You think, uh... 1076 00:36:53,975 --> 00:36:55,343 You think, uh, Aaron did it? 1077 00:36:55,455 --> 00:36:56,644 Pbht. Of course he did. 1078 00:36:56,693 --> 00:36:58,168 The guy's a total psycho. 1079 00:36:58,217 --> 00:36:59,594 Okay, watch this... 1080 00:37:03,594 --> 00:37:05,079 Aw. Fudge. 1081 00:37:05,138 --> 00:37:06,219 Hold on, I'm gonna do it again... 1082 00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:07,640 Okay, okay. 1083 00:37:08,117 --> 00:37:09,939 - Rowan. - What the hell? 1084 00:37:10,225 --> 00:37:11,684 We got a warrant for your arrest. 1085 00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:12,784 What? 1086 00:37:12,833 --> 00:37:14,313 For what? 1087 00:37:14,474 --> 00:37:15,972 For the murders of Patrick Hayes, 1088 00:37:16,027 --> 00:37:17,192 and Morris Mackey. 1089 00:37:17,241 --> 00:37:19,518 - Oh, snap. - That's crazy. 1090 00:37:19,566 --> 00:37:21,491 And wrong. I didn't... 1091 00:37:21,694 --> 00:37:22,826 Why would you even think that? 1092 00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:24,594 Because Patrick found out you were smuggling drugs 1093 00:37:24,642 --> 00:37:26,917 in Aaron's private jet, and threatened to tell the police. 1094 00:37:27,053 --> 00:37:29,180 Somehow Morris found out that you killed Patrick 1095 00:37:29,228 --> 00:37:30,241 to protect your secret, 1096 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:31,487 so you killed him too. 1097 00:37:31,535 --> 00:37:32,749 - Come on. - That's, I mean. 1098 00:37:32,797 --> 00:37:33,837 That's so-so wrong... 1099 00:37:33,885 --> 00:37:35,360 - Hey! Rowan! - Rowan! 1100 00:37:37,323 --> 00:37:38,581 - Okay. - Bro, wait. 1101 00:37:41,959 --> 00:37:44,372 - Oh. - Oh, snap. 1102 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:48,913 You okay? 1103 00:37:49,248 --> 00:37:50,767 Alright, you're fine. 1104 00:37:50,862 --> 00:37:52,122 Stand up. 1105 00:37:52,338 --> 00:37:53,901 - Put it down. - You're under arrest. 1106 00:37:53,949 --> 00:37:56,686 Rowan always had these crazy plans. 1107 00:37:56,734 --> 00:37:57,817 You know... 1108 00:37:57,866 --> 00:37:59,323 "Let's go to Morocco," or, 1109 00:37:59,371 --> 00:38:02,923 "Dude, I heard about this sick party in Ibiza...", and... 1110 00:38:03,464 --> 00:38:04,514 I-I... 1111 00:38:04,562 --> 00:38:06,208 I never thought about it, 1112 00:38:06,281 --> 00:38:07,456 but, he was the one, 1113 00:38:07,504 --> 00:38:10,020 who decided where we were flying to, always. 1114 00:38:10,139 --> 00:38:11,538 And, you know, now, 1115 00:38:11,586 --> 00:38:14,028 looking back at it, with "cop eyes," I mean... 1116 00:38:14,484 --> 00:38:16,235 It is so obvious... 1117 00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:18,638 That Rowan was up to something. 1118 00:38:19,191 --> 00:38:20,953 I just could never see it. 1119 00:38:22,368 --> 00:38:23,517 I mean, 1120 00:38:23,565 --> 00:38:25,096 Patrick did, though. 1121 00:38:26,452 --> 00:38:28,011 But, like, why, why... 1122 00:38:28,059 --> 00:38:29,632 Why didn't he tell me, you know? 1123 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,007 We talked about everything... 1124 00:38:31,056 --> 00:38:32,097 You know, why wouldn't he... 1125 00:38:32,146 --> 00:38:33,626 Why wouldn't he tell me about this? 1126 00:38:35,642 --> 00:38:37,257 You know, if he had... 1127 00:38:40,382 --> 00:38:41,731 Everything... 1128 00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:43,472 Everything would've been so different. 1129 00:38:51,658 --> 00:38:53,038 Aaron. 1130 00:38:58,493 --> 00:38:59,936 Is it true? 1131 00:39:00,363 --> 00:39:01,751 Yes, sir. 1132 00:39:02,931 --> 00:39:05,792 Rowan Clauson confessed to murdering Patrick. 1133 00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:10,684 I'm so sorry I didn't believe you. 1134 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,788 Can you ever forgive me? 1135 00:39:17,387 --> 00:39:18,883 Of course. 1136 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,894 After all this time, 1137 00:39:24,942 --> 00:39:26,950 the case of who killed Patrick Hayes, 1138 00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:28,604 was finally solved. 1139 00:39:28,726 --> 00:39:30,649 But the question that lingers is... 1140 00:39:30,697 --> 00:39:33,870 Is whether the emotional wounds will heal... 1141 00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:36,889 Feels gross, right? 1142 00:39:36,937 --> 00:39:39,652 Yeah. 1143 00:39:42,073 --> 00:39:43,488 Two people were dead. 1144 00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:47,261 Even after you catch the guy, it's still just... 1145 00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:48,518 Awful. 1146 00:39:48,566 --> 00:39:50,550 I'm just glad 1147 00:39:50,598 --> 00:39:52,019 the truth finally came out. 1148 00:39:52,067 --> 00:39:55,605 Aaron's innocence, is now proven without a doubt. 1149 00:39:56,201 --> 00:39:58,808 He deserves to move on with the rest of his life. 1150 00:39:58,962 --> 00:40:01,193 And we'll be here to help him do that. 1151 00:40:01,467 --> 00:40:02,943 And now that it's over, 1152 00:40:02,991 --> 00:40:04,612 what's your view of Aaron Thorsen? 1153 00:40:04,698 --> 00:40:05,920 Ah. 1154 00:40:05,969 --> 00:40:07,276 I will admit, 1155 00:40:07,324 --> 00:40:10,154 it took a minute, for Aaron to win me over, but... 1156 00:40:10,487 --> 00:40:12,214 Once he did, I knew he'd be a good cop. 1157 00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,432 Alright, I'm done. 1158 00:40:14,564 --> 00:40:15,859 Uh, wait. 1159 00:40:15,908 --> 00:40:17,612 This is not gonna air, 1160 00:40:17,795 --> 00:40:19,468 before his training is done, right? 1161 00:40:19,517 --> 00:40:20,525 'Cause I gotta... 1162 00:40:20,573 --> 00:40:21,847 I gotta keep him hungry. 1163 00:40:21,925 --> 00:40:24,707 I never once stopped believing in my boy. 1164 00:40:25,143 --> 00:40:27,358 Has he forgiven you, for the lie? 1165 00:40:27,663 --> 00:40:29,143 He will. 1166 00:40:29,191 --> 00:40:31,410 There's nothing our family can't get through. 1167 00:40:31,671 --> 00:40:33,060 It looks like Aaron will finally be able 1168 00:40:33,108 --> 00:40:34,452 to put all this behind him. 1169 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,759 That's, that's not really how it works. 1170 00:40:36,889 --> 00:40:38,896 I mean, as someone who has, 1171 00:40:39,323 --> 00:40:41,448 had friends killed, you never really, 1172 00:40:41,496 --> 00:40:42,591 get closure. 1173 00:40:42,736 --> 00:40:44,653 All you can hope for is that, 1174 00:40:45,104 --> 00:40:46,407 the memories of them... 1175 00:40:46,456 --> 00:40:48,320 The, the, good times, 1176 00:40:48,368 --> 00:40:50,643 you had together, are what you see, 1177 00:40:50,691 --> 00:40:51,643 when you think of them. 1178 00:40:51,691 --> 00:40:52,800 How does it feel, 1179 00:40:52,848 --> 00:40:54,603 having the truth come out after all these years? 1180 00:40:56,633 --> 00:40:57,683 I-I... 1181 00:40:57,731 --> 00:40:58,753 I don't know. It's... 1182 00:40:58,801 --> 00:41:00,211 It's still sinking in. 1183 00:41:00,317 --> 00:41:02,053 This is obviously gonna make compelling episodes 1184 00:41:02,102 --> 00:41:03,165 of your reality show. 1185 00:41:03,214 --> 00:41:04,511 Oh, no. That... 1186 00:41:05,044 --> 00:41:06,506 "Every Rose Has A Thorsen" 1187 00:41:06,554 --> 00:41:08,664 is not moving forward, I mean, it was... 1188 00:41:08,712 --> 00:41:11,552 it was a mistake to do in the first place, yeah. 1189 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:12,751 I mean, the only reason 1190 00:41:12,799 --> 00:41:14,489 why I did agree to it, was to, 1191 00:41:14,537 --> 00:41:16,190 rehabilitate my image. 1192 00:41:16,364 --> 00:41:19,224 Um, but ironically, it... 1193 00:41:19,437 --> 00:41:21,149 Ended up doing something even better... 1194 00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:23,755 Which was, uncover the truth. 1195 00:41:24,072 --> 00:41:25,935 So what are you gonna do now? 1196 00:41:32,606 --> 00:41:33,656 Live. 1197 00:41:33,704 --> 00:41:36,105 For myself. 1198 00:41:36,154 --> 00:41:38,634 And for Patrick. 1199 00:41:38,683 --> 00:41:39,819 Mm-hmm. 1200 00:41:39,882 --> 00:41:42,347 synced & corrected by PopcornAWH www.addic7ed.com 85203

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