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Andreas Baader, born Munich, 1943
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Father: historian.
Presumed dead in war
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Brought up by mother and grandmother
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Abandoned art school in Munich
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From 1963 lives in Berlin
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Set fire to Frankfurt store in 1968
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Escaped from jail 1970
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Re-arrested 1972 in Frankfurt
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Gudrun Ensslin, born 1940
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Daughter of a Protestant clergyman
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Secondary School exchange pupil in USA
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Studiend German, English, Greek,
philosophy in Tubingen, then Berlin
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State grant for exceptional ability
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Mother of one child
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Set fire to Frankfurt store in 1968
with Andreas Baader
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Arrested in 1972 in Hamburg
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Ulrike Marie Meinhof, born 1934
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Father: historian. Mother: leacher
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Parents died young.
Briught up by foster-mother
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Studied pedagogy
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State grant for exceplional ability
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Edintor og journal 'Konkret'.
Radio and TV journalist
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Mother of two children
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Met Baader and Ensslin
during aeson trial
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Involved in freeing Baader 1970
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Arrested 1972 in Hanover
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Jan-Carl Raspe, born 1944
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Father: businessman- died young.
Grew up East Berlin
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Studied chemistry, then sociology
in West Berlin. First class degree
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Member of German Socialist
Students' Association
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Member of Red Army Faction from 1970
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Arrested 1972 in Frankfurt
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STAMMHEIM
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The Trial of the Baader-Meinhof Group
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Original Music by
Marcel Wengler
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producers:
Ju"rgen Flimm end Eberhard Junkersdorf
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Director:
Reinhard Hauff
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The Baader-Meinhol trial began on
May 21st, 1975, in Stuttgart-Stammheim
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It lasted over 2 years.
The coirt sat on 192 days
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The action and dialogue are based
on authentic documents and events
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Andreas Bernd Baader, unemployed
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Gudrun Ensslin, student
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Ulrike Marie Meinhof, journalist
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Jan- Carl Stefon Raspe, sociolodist
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You are accused jointly in
9 independent actions..
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...of killind 4 persons by means
constituting a public menace...
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...and of attempting to kill
54 other persons...
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...and of causing explosions...
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...which endangered the lives
and property of other persons...
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...and of forming an organization...
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...the aim of which was to
perpetrate criminal acts
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Even after their arrest...
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...the accusted stuck to their goals
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I do not, as yet,
have a defence counsel
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We do not accept the legalistic
packaging of this event
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Defence is impossible when laws
are constantly being changed
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We insist, however,
on a legal platform....
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...to demonstrate the collapse of the
bourgeois state's odeological arguments...
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...and to explain
revolutionary politics
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You are free to call
any lawyer you trist
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Not easy to find one who can stand
the persecution of the State
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For 3 years the prosecution has
vetted the defence's every word...
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...search low prastices,
confiscating mail...
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...and bugging lawyers' cell visits
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We don't accept the Laws of
the bourgeois state
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Bud if you kick them around, what then?
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The Public Prosecutor barred
3 defence counsel...
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...less than 30 days before
the trial began
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This smashed the defence
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Herr Baader is adequately defended...
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...by 2 state-appointed counsel
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Those lawyers were forced uron me
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They've never even spoken to me
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Someone's written ''Off with his head''
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Someone's written ''Off with his head''
on my microphone
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That's too deep for me
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Yes, counse!
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These remarks compel me
to state the following...
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Don't speak for me!
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I'm not speaking to Frau Ensslin
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Shut your trap!
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It's not your turn to speak
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That creep should shut up!
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- Frau Ensslin!
- Stop babbling on!
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I'm not babbling. Just listen
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You are incompetent!
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Just a minute. Calm down!
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You may not leave
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Please sit down
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Do you refuse thet too?
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There's no rule saying they must sit
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Oh yes, there is
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In the interests of sedurity.
the accised must be seated
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Resume your seats
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We shall of course not sit.
The choice is yours
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Either the compulsory squad shuts up
ot we force you to remove us
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All right. Remain standing for now
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I understand them not wanting...
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...a court- appointed defence, but...
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Dommint! Get us out of here!
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If they speak, we disrupt proceedings
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I suggest you bur us from
the court at such times....
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...to avoid these idioric scenes
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Make the pigs shut their snouts
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Whom d'you mean?
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It's them or us!
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If the court-appointed defence speaks...
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...you'll continue to obstruct?
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The accused have no confidence it them.
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They also call them who should
keep their ''snouts'' shut
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That's exactly the tone they adopt
for their own counsel out of court
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In writing they have repeatedly
called them pigs, arseholes...
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...idiots, screwed-up people, etc. ...
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Their lawysrs may accept it
but not a state defence
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If clients call us arseholes, idiots,
and we say similar things to them...
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...that is between
the client and ourselves
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These points may seem absurd, bud
they show this is a political trial
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It is laudable that these counsel....
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...are prepared ti defend the accused
depsite the abuse they receive
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I abserve that one of these ''laudable
counsel'' gas fallen asleep
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- Are you sure?
- Yes, first on the left
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No expresson of mirth
from the public, please
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Yes, Herr Baader
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You are staging a trial with
psychogically broken prisoners
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That's why we insist on our own defence
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Even though it won't change the outcome
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Jidges sometimes turn down promotion
to avoid cases like this
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Can you stay the course?
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I hope so. Time will tell
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Is it a political or sriminal trial?
How long will it last?
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For us ot's a normal sriminal case...
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...althiugs we can't deny political
motives will play a certain role
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I connot assess how long it will take
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We shall conduct it az
concisely az possible
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But that does not depend ot the
doodwill ot the court alone
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The other parties must also
be willing to co-operate
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I request a 10-day adjournment...
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...to prepare the case
and study the material
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We'll decide that later
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I don't even have the papers,
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Get them from your barred colleagues
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We have no spare copies here
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I'm sure his colleagues will help
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Can you credit it?
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In this trial, millions have
been spent on security
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Yet the court balks at providing
my colleague with document
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For reasons of cost?
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You cannot be taken seriously
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Yesterday a prison officer handed me
an anonymous letter
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It urget me to use this
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It got past your censor
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I ordered the letter delivered;
not the noose
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Desist from further provocation
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I said nothing
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Nothing to say, you mean?
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It I misunderstood something.
I don't need a chorus...
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...of 4 defence counsel
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If you wish to read the paper,
kindly do so outside
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4 p.m The accused cannot continue
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My learned friend is obstructing
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Anjournment refused
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I shall retire at 4 p.m.
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We cannot force you to stay.
The court will proceed till 4.15
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The common room tap is broken.
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The common room tap is broken.
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How can it break when it's never used?
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I assume something's being done?
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I'll look info it
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The accused cannot continue
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As far as I'm concerned,
the day is over
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The feeling my head is exploding
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The feeling my marrow is being
pressed info my brain
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The feeling my brain is
shrivelling like a prune
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The feeling I'm constantly alive with
electricity, as if remote-controlled
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The feeling I'm pissing out my soul
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I wake up, open my eyes.
The scell is moving
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In the afternoon, when the sub shines,
it suddenly stops
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Impossible to stop the sensation
of movement
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Impossible to say if I'm shivering
with fever or cold
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Raging aggression with no outlet
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The worst thing is knowing I have
no chance of survival
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With expensive nutrients...
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...we have done our best to
improve the prisoners' health
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They were even diven dark glassed
when visual disorders arose
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Did you know the aim of the hunger strike?
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The aim?
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I believe the aim was an improvement
in prison conditions
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Can you be more specific?
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Being together
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So, the aim was an end to isolation?
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Yes, that was why they refused
food and drink
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If conditions had improved...
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...would it have ended earlier?
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You mean, would release from prison
have reduced donger to life?
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You're just repeating the lies...
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...propagated by the media...
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...that it was to gain their release
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We always said the hunger strike
would end if isolation ended
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You're beind contentious
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Yos!
Becouse I want the truth
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I do too
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You said better conditions
lead to better health?
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And the reverse?
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- I don't understand
- Is the opposite true?
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That severe conditions can
ruin a prisoner's health?
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Obviously
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You've been a prison doctor
for 20 years
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Have you even seen conditions
like those in Stammheim?
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No, never
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Are they fit?
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The accused are fit to stand trial
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I declare I'm not fit
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I'm in no condition to express clearly
the things I wish to say
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It's absurd to thing that these past
3 years have not affected us
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We want independent medical examination
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And a maximum of 3 hours per day in court
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Requests denied
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I challenge the bias of this court
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It repearedly refuses to admit
independent doctors
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Trey would reveal the use of tortute
against political prisoners
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The prosecution and
intelligence services...
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...will only be satisfied when
the prisoners are dead
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- Like justice in the Third Reich...
- That comparison is an insult to this court
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Think of the insult your
occupying that chair is to us
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Challenge dismissed
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They always say we're not isolated...
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...besause we have larger sells
than other prisoners
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But the fasts remain
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Apart from the hunger strike, we've
been in total isolation for 3 years
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When we talk to each other
through a slit in the door...
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...someone stands outside
and writes it down
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Herr Baader is out of order
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To quote a US Supreme Court ruling:
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''Disrespect for iou courts of justice
must not go unpunished''
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''The indefinite disruption of a trial by
the accused will not be tolerated''
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''It debases our country and
our system of justice...
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''...if we allow our courts to be tyrannized,
insulted, or humiliated''
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All present should consider these words
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The defence would happily
accept US law
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This trial would then be invalidated
through prejudice...
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...as you remarks in court demonstrate
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It is not the role of the accused
to judge the officers of justice.
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You stand accused of multible murder
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The prosecution and court
are at pains to meaintain...
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...the utmist objectivity
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This is the first oilitical trial
in West Germany since 1945
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The authorities cannot see a victim
in the object ot their destruction
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They see only a foe they want to crush
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This shows a basic difference
with our struggle
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Even in a Fascist, we can see
the victim of a system
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It's not we who are fanatics,
bud the authorities
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They never answer our arguments.
They are merely folmalistic
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State your grounds for rejesting this court
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00:19:47,386 --> 00:19:50,429
In South Africa, political prisoners...
255
00:19:50,742 --> 00:19:52,709
...are interrodated for 3 months
256
00:19:53,007 --> 00:19:58,115
If they haven't talked by then, it's
clear they will die under torture
257
00:19:58,410 --> 00:20:00,174
So they are shot
258
00:20:00,781 --> 00:20:04,748
I'm not saying prisoners are treared
more humanely in S. Africa
259
00:20:05,472 --> 00:20:07,373
What I mean is...
260
00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:13,493
... where torture fails as a means
of extorting information....
261
00:20:14,329 --> 00:20:16,217
...all thet's left is death
262
00:20:16,861 --> 00:20:22,368
The purpose of detention is
the death of the prisoner
263
00:20:23,716 --> 00:20:28,488
No suhe puprose exists in German low.
I rule you out of order
264
00:20:29,125 --> 00:20:32,740
Superficial examination
by the person doctor...
265
00:20:33,151 --> 00:20:35,973
....connot assess litness to stand trial
266
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,461
We'll resume our defence when evidence
is based on fact, not on expedients
267
00:20:44,576 --> 00:20:46,791
The trial will proceed in your absence
268
00:20:47,135 --> 00:20:52,314
We refuse to continue when
the accused are not fit
269
00:20:53,912 --> 00:20:56,278
What's the meaning of this?
270
00:20:56,660 --> 00:20:58,681
You should bar us!
271
00:20:59,030 --> 00:21:00,088
Be seated!
272
00:21:00,384 --> 00:21:01,682
Have us removed!
273
00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:07,731
D' you want us to start screaming?
Stop your nonsensem, idiot!
274
00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:13,035
Be seated and porticipate
in a peaceful fashion
275
00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:16,267
So you refuse ti sit?
276
00:21:16,767 --> 00:21:19,620
So you wabt us to make a farmal protest?
277
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,445
Remove us!
278
00:21:21,791 --> 00:21:24,871
If you continue to disrupt proceedings
you'll be parred
279
00:21:25,220 --> 00:21:26,867
Do it, you old fool
280
00:21:27,236 --> 00:21:28,784
Are you all agrees?
281
00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:31,618
Yes... are you deaf?
282
00:21:32,385 --> 00:21:34,032
You refuse to remain?
283
00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:42,515
The public must be seated
ot leave the room
284
00:21:48,896 --> 00:21:52,800
The accused have disrupted proceeding
and will be barred
285
00:21:56,596 --> 00:21:58,497
The witness may withdraw
286
00:22:01,261 --> 00:22:05,164
We shall move ot to the particulars
of the accused
287
00:22:05,544 --> 00:22:09,686
They have to be present.
Wring them in again.... one by one
288
00:22:10,634 --> 00:22:12,957
First, Raspe. By force if need be
289
00:22:15,802 --> 00:22:20,712
Prease identify anyone in the public
creating a disturbance....
290
00:22:21,126 --> 00:22:23,801
...so appropriate measures may be taken
291
00:22:25,421 --> 00:22:27,220
- Please be seated
- No
292
00:22:27,592 --> 00:22:31,698
- The evidence is about your preson
- I'm not interested
293
00:22:32,072 --> 00:22:35,862
- Speak about yourself
- I've been dragged here
294
00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:37,861
Use the microphone
295
00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:40,570
If you don't bar me. I'll jump...
296
00:22:44,337 --> 00:22:47,100
The accused Raspe is barred
297
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,693
Bring Frau Meinhof in
298
00:23:00,389 --> 00:23:01,658
Be seated
299
00:23:01,994 --> 00:23:02,740
No
300
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:08,285
Will you use the microphone at least?
301
00:23:08,746 --> 00:23:10,569
I don't want you to hear
302
00:23:11,175 --> 00:23:14,064
I'm not fit to defend myself
303
00:23:14,890 --> 00:23:16,593
A statement about yourself?
304
00:23:17,111 --> 00:23:22,469
Not under these circumstances.
I want to leave
305
00:23:23,075 --> 00:23:26,874
- It's your duty to stay
- You can't force me, arsehole!
306
00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:31,027
I note the fact you called the judge
''arsehole''
307
00:23:31,391 --> 00:23:32,787
Note it then!
308
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,253
The accused is barred from proceedings
309
00:23:51,226 --> 00:23:52,398
Be seated
310
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,018
No, someone knocked my shair over
311
00:23:57,468 --> 00:23:59,297
Pick the shait up
312
00:24:14,171 --> 00:24:15,990
Please have me barred
313
00:24:16,868 --> 00:24:18,816
It's not a case of what you want.
314
00:24:19,337 --> 00:24:22,332
Tell me some disruptive acts, then
315
00:24:22,954 --> 00:24:26,183
Must I insult you? I don't want to
316
00:24:26,751 --> 00:24:28,699
You force me ti stay?
317
00:24:29,022 --> 00:24:31,085
I have to. I don't want to
318
00:24:32,003 --> 00:24:33,190
Want insults?
319
00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,543
I'd rather you didm't utter abuse.
320
00:24:37,813 --> 00:24:39,926
I'll stop your dirty manoeuvre
321
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:44,725
It's not a dirty manoeuvre.
I'm bound by procedural rules
322
00:24:45,493 --> 00:24:47,894
D' you want physical violence?
323
00:24:48,229 --> 00:24:50,773
I want you to sit end take part calmly
324
00:24:52,414 --> 00:24:57,753
It's s dirly manoeuvre, dammmit!
Forcing me to insist you bar me
325
00:24:58,712 --> 00:25:00,361
I just want to leave
326
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:05,623
It's not a case of personal wishes.
It's your duty.
327
00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:15,671
Fine. Carry on with this silly procedure.
I'll carry on disrupting
328
00:25:16,185 --> 00:25:18,194
You haven't disrupted yet
329
00:25:19,533 --> 00:25:23,463
Have me removed,
or I'll have to insult you
330
00:25:26,072 --> 00:25:30,357
Want ot?
You can have it in various ways
331
00:25:31,447 --> 00:25:33,140
I don't want it
332
00:25:33,717 --> 00:25:36,589
For instance, you're a Fascist arsehole
333
00:25:36,922 --> 00:25:38,605
Fascist arsehole, eh?
334
00:25:38,957 --> 00:25:41,027
- Remove me.
- Me too, you fat pig
335
00:25:43,717 --> 00:25:46,646
I hereby state you're an old Fascist arsehole
336
00:25:46,972 --> 00:25:48,456
Turn his mikrofone olt
337
00:25:48,745 --> 00:25:52,798
We're not in a fit state to
defend ourselves. Pig!
338
00:25:53,607 --> 00:25:59,183
You have disrupted proceedings
and called me ''pig''. Is that correct?
339
00:26:00,109 --> 00:26:02,588
And Herr Baader said ''Fascist arsehole''
340
00:26:02,939 --> 00:26:06,620
- You may speak about your person
- Dirty rat!
341
00:26:06,968 --> 00:26:08,661
Remove the accused!
342
00:26:10,848 --> 00:26:13,173
The court will retire to deliberate
343
00:26:25,268 --> 00:26:28,076
11 o'clock news from Radio Stuttgart
344
00:26:28,484 --> 00:26:32,755
On the 39th day of the Baader-Meinhol
trial in Stammheim...
345
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,533
...reports were presented
by 3 medical experts
346
00:26:37,182 --> 00:26:39,618
They conclude that the accused...
347
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,931
...are suffering from debilyty,
perception and articulation disorders...
348
00:26:45,265 --> 00:26:50,535
...weight loss, low blood pressure,
and loss of concentration
349
00:26:51,091 --> 00:26:53,205
In Andreas Baader's case....
350
00:26:53,423 --> 00:26:56,169
...a low heart-rate was diagnosed
351
00:26:56,545 --> 00:27:00,371
And in Frau Meinhol's case,
an inability to concentrate
352
00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:03,690
They are fit taje part
3 hours a day
353
00:27:04,037 --> 00:27:07,892
- Hear the radio?
- The pigs finally caught on
354
00:27:22,532 --> 00:27:26,025
The trial will proceed without
the accused on grounds of...
355
00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:30,916
- Do not interrupt
- I wish to speake
356
00:27:31,304 --> 00:27:33,229
No one may speak at present
357
00:27:33,778 --> 00:27:35,929
We have a legal right to be heard
358
00:27:37,564 --> 00:27:39,278
You no longer have the right
359
00:27:39,633 --> 00:27:41,679
I haven't spoken yet, you pig!
360
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,684
I will now give the grounds
361
00:27:46,463 --> 00:27:48,431
This is real brutality
362
00:27:51,289 --> 00:27:53,163
Stick your pig's head up your arse!
363
00:27:53,518 --> 00:27:55,168
Remove Raspe!
364
00:27:55,583 --> 00:27:57,506
Au inbelievably repressive act!
365
00:27:57,832 --> 00:27:59,661
Remove the accused
366
00:28:00,778 --> 00:28:02,855
Request for adjournment refused
367
00:28:03,178 --> 00:28:07,693
After the medical report, you
want to bar the accused....
368
00:28:08,052 --> 00:28:11,748
...because they are not fit to
take part. It's outrageous!
369
00:28:13,516 --> 00:28:17,508
You will not prevent us stating
the grouds for our decision
370
00:28:17,806 --> 00:28:20,639
You merely reveal your manners
371
00:28:20,981 --> 00:28:25,487
Killer! Your purpose as a judge
is to thin the ranks
372
00:28:25,843 --> 00:28:27,040
Remove Ensslin!
373
00:28:27,349 --> 00:28:29,373
We shan't forger your role here
374
00:28:29,691 --> 00:28:34,251
Your trial of bent witnesses
and false evidence will fail
375
00:28:37,135 --> 00:28:43,380
You can't escape the fact we're
not fit, after 3 years of torture
376
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,589
Remove Meinhof!
377
00:28:44,873 --> 00:28:46,378
Imperialist pig!
378
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,281
You won't be forgotten, you swine!
379
00:28:50,556 --> 00:28:52,005
Your time will come
380
00:28:52,291 --> 00:28:54,643
Now you can have your show trial
381
00:28:56,379 --> 00:29:01,348
The accused are considered unfit
to take part in the proceedings
382
00:29:02,566 --> 00:29:05,352
An accused person
cannot impede a trial...
383
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:08,656
...by unfitness of his own causing
384
00:29:08,978 --> 00:29:11,677
Try the code for the protection of birds
385
00:29:11,995 --> 00:29:14,640
That is piece of impertinence
386
00:29:14,987 --> 00:29:16,969
So is your handling of this case
387
00:29:17,887 --> 00:29:20,793
The evidence will take a long time
388
00:29:21,089 --> 00:29:24,661
The prosecution has called
997 witnesses and 80 experts
389
00:29:24,946 --> 00:29:30,918
Limiting proceedings to 9 hours per week
would make the trial too long
390
00:29:32,458 --> 00:29:35,084
The accused's hunger strike...
391
00:29:35,394 --> 00:29:37,538
...wolfully weakened their health
392
00:29:38,523 --> 00:29:40,111
Shame on you
393
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:42,325
They may return when fit
394
00:29:42,619 --> 00:29:45,483
Incredible! Incredible!
395
00:29:46,586 --> 00:29:50,254
You destroy the constitutional state
396
00:29:51,762 --> 00:29:53,583
My congratulations!
397
00:29:58,941 --> 00:30:04,311
I was in the officers' mess,
US headquarters i Frankfurt
398
00:30:04,499 --> 00:30:08,788
It went dark and we thougt
a storm was brewing
399
00:30:09,108 --> 00:30:12,138
Then a flash, and s shattering sound
400
00:30:12,416 --> 00:30:16,049
The roof and everything caved in
401
00:30:16,379 --> 00:30:17,975
I got out
402
00:30:18,348 --> 00:30:21,262
I saw Col. Brooquist lying there
403
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:26,555
Ne had a lump of glass from the door
in his astery
404
00:30:28,068 --> 00:30:33,347
No one came to help. They were
afraid other bombs would do off
405
00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:37,706
He lay with his face to the right
406
00:30:38,625 --> 00:30:40,357
To the right?
407
00:30:41,441 --> 00:30:43,471
There was blood.. red blood
408
00:30:44,202 --> 00:30:46,400
Yes, blood is usually red
409
00:30:47,035 --> 00:30:48,871
Were you hurt?
410
00:30:50,164 --> 00:30:52,907
No, I was shaken, that's all
411
00:30:53,553 --> 00:30:58,970
An American officer took me
to his flat and tenden me
412
00:30:59,545 --> 00:31:03,682
I worked as an ambulance driver
in the US hospital. Heidelberg
413
00:31:03,986 --> 00:31:08,560
I was called to the computer centre
at US headquarters
414
00:31:09,109 --> 00:31:12,032
I searched the rubble for survivors
415
00:31:12,443 --> 00:31:15,942
Under a window was a body, still moving
416
00:31:16,353 --> 00:31:22,176
I saw a second body under a Coca Cola
machine... just his foot stuck out
417
00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:26,464
We moved the machine
bud the man was dead
418
00:31:28,602 --> 00:31:34,515
I then saw an officer whose body was
torn apart, only the top falf left
419
00:31:35,466 --> 00:31:40,924
The other bits were scottered
in the lime trees nearby
420
00:31:43,364 --> 00:31:47,375
The soles of his feet were still on
the ground - not a pretty sight
421
00:31:48,294 --> 00:31:53,988
We took a pillowcase and gathered up
the bits of the body
422
00:31:56,861 --> 00:31:58,939
After the second bomb explosion...
423
00:31:59,344 --> 00:32:05,151
... there was an officer who looked
like he'd been scalped
424
00:32:06,362 --> 00:32:09,215
We bandaged him and took him to hospital
425
00:32:48,101 --> 00:32:51,695
He called himsels ''Erwin''.
Now I know he was Holger Meins
426
00:32:52,103 --> 00:32:56,697
Later he brought Jan-Carl Raspe
whom he introduced as ''Lester''
427
00:32:57,072 --> 00:33:00,354
They lolked round my metal workshop
428
00:33:00,676 --> 00:33:03,577
Said they needed props for
a film about revolution
429
00:33:03,874 --> 00:33:06,980
They had something like
the top of a hand drenade
430
00:33:07,281 --> 00:33:09,778
And asked if I could make a similar one
431
00:33:10,424 --> 00:33:12,422
I made more abjects
432
00:33:12,851 --> 00:33:16,014
Weapons and bombs for the lilm
433
00:33:16,331 --> 00:33:20,485
You're a metal sculptor. Aren't
you interesred in films too?
434
00:33:21,175 --> 00:33:23,256
To a certain extent
435
00:33:23,565 --> 00:33:27,791
If you work on a film, don't you
ask questions?
436
00:33:28,137 --> 00:33:31,076
What king of film? Who's invoived?
437
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,889
Don't you ever know?
438
00:33:33,182 --> 00:33:35,801
I asked, bud ''Erwin'' was evasive
439
00:33:36,636 --> 00:33:38,613
I became uneasy, and said:
440
00:33:38,978 --> 00:33:45,668
''You're mixed up in something.
Count me out, or I'll call the police''
441
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,090
Then ''Erwin'' pulled a gun and said
I was in it up to my neck
442
00:33:53,792 --> 00:33:57,566
One day he brought a man
I now know is Baader
443
00:33:57,876 --> 00:33:59,808
It was a strange scene
444
00:34:00,269 --> 00:34:02,970
He marched info my workshop
445
00:34:03,339 --> 00:34:08,405
He walked round looking at this and that
inspecting everything...
446
00:34:08,801 --> 00:34:11,089
...as if it belonged ti him
447
00:34:12,803 --> 00:34:14,264
You dummy-maker!
448
00:34:14,558 --> 00:34:17,770
One more interruption, Raspe,
and you'll be barred.
449
00:34:21,127 --> 00:34:23,716
Later I suppelied more bomb casing
450
00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:29,798
-...I withdrew
- Withdrew? That's good
451
00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:35,438
You rattled off your statemrnt...
452
00:34:35,767 --> 00:34:38,655
...like an automatic train...
453
00:34:38,951 --> 00:34:40,971
...as if you knew it by heart
454
00:34:41,249 --> 00:34:43,673
Whu is Flau Meinhof familiar with him?
455
00:34:43,961 --> 00:34:45,618
It's up to the witness...
456
00:34:48,615 --> 00:34:51,856
Your statement doesm't interest much
457
00:34:52,863 --> 00:34:56,149
But are you aware that it will be used...
458
00:34:56,456 --> 00:35:00,232
...to partray Andreas
an the mediq as the boss?
459
00:35:00,872 --> 00:35:04,248
The government wants
the public to believe...
460
00:35:04,524 --> 00:35:09,096
...trat Andreas is the one they must
break and ultimately kill...
461
00:35:09,985 --> 00:35:14,667
...so that the urban guerrilla problem
in W. Germany will be solved
462
00:35:14,969 --> 00:35:17,455
Question not valid. Personal opinion
463
00:35:22,054 --> 00:35:23,935
you say you were coerced
464
00:35:26,499 --> 00:35:30,147
The group's relations with sympathizers
preclude coercion
465
00:35:30,537 --> 00:35:32,510
Were you forced to work?
466
00:35:32,885 --> 00:35:36,813
Yes, it was like I descrobed.
You know very well
467
00:35:37,224 --> 00:35:39,176
Nearer the microphone, please
468
00:35:42,432 --> 00:35:46,659
I won't tolerate all remarks
being met with laughter
469
00:35:47,392 --> 00:35:49,936
I fail to see anything funny here
470
00:35:50,674 --> 00:35:55,726
Your statemeat sounds like it's written
by someone working for the police
471
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,513
The wording is by the interrogator.
The witness says when he disagrees
472
00:36:04,154 --> 00:36:08,757
that's incedible. Not his
own words, bud s judge's
473
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,419
Did the interrogating officer promise you
a new life in the US?
474
00:36:17,348 --> 00:36:20,613
I lod't think I can answer.
for my own safety.
475
00:36:20,957 --> 00:36:22,344
Were you affered...
476
00:36:22,686 --> 00:36:24,721
...financial help, faise documents?
477
00:36:24,997 --> 00:36:27,140
Money wasn't mentioned
478
00:36:27,596 --> 00:36:30,529
I can't say yoe or no
to the other question
479
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,524
Was s pardon mentioned?
480
00:36:32,788 --> 00:36:34,660
Or clemency?
481
00:36:36,156 --> 00:36:41,150
They spoke of ''voluntary penitence'',
and gave me the law to read
482
00:36:41,762 --> 00:36:43,570
You can't read!
483
00:36:51,178 --> 00:36:54,999
The masks of tiredness.
How sick of them I am
484
00:36:55,607 --> 00:37:00,097
How they have nauseared me.
Forever and everywhere
485
00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:03,671
Murmuring clergymen, boy scouts,
maiden aunts
486
00:37:04,608 --> 00:37:06,527
Scoffing women, youths
487
00:37:06,728 --> 00:37:09,674
Ancient creatures, smothered in make-up
488
00:37:09,850 --> 00:37:13,237
How sick I am of it.
Hinger, simple to know
489
00:37:13,543 --> 00:37:16,600
Am I in a film?
490
00:37:17,172 --> 00:37:19,178
Or am I real: fight!
491
00:38:09,978 --> 00:38:14,571
Statements like the last one are
always obtained the same way
492
00:38:14,912 --> 00:38:19,909
The techniques used are
dependence, exhaustion end fear
493
00:38:20,226 --> 00:38:23,656
The victim becomes totally dependent
on his interrogator
494
00:38:23,991 --> 00:38:26,776
The only peson who can help him
495
00:38:27,069 --> 00:38:29,751
The only peson he has contect with
496
00:38:30,222 --> 00:38:35,130
Sometimes the interrogator
lends a sympathetic ear
497
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,411
The victim feels indebted to him
498
00:38:38,552 --> 00:38:40,438
Witnesses are not manipulated
499
00:38:40,809 --> 00:38:45,423
Their evidence allords deep insight
info the group's hierarchy
500
00:38:46,136 --> 00:38:48,834
The accused still haven't explained it
501
00:38:49,178 --> 00:38:51,664
It would be an act of courage
502
00:38:52,032 --> 00:38:56,542
Does that super-hypocrite expect,
after 3 years' isolation...
503
00:38:56,821 --> 00:39:01,137
...that we suddenly confess becouse
a phoney witness pops up?
504
00:39:01,499 --> 00:39:05,217
I request Frau Ensslin be parred for abuse
505
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,508
The accused is barred from court
until end February 1976
506
00:39:15,301 --> 00:39:17,306
I sipport Gudrun's rejection
507
00:39:17,625 --> 00:39:20,398
It's 4 p.m. Can I give
my reasons tomorrow?
508
00:39:20,677 --> 00:39:25,595
No. But you can withdraw.
You're not obliged to stay
509
00:39:26,398 --> 00:39:30,313
''Rejection is a farse.
This court is here to sray
510
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:32,543
Bud you...
511
00:39:32,862 --> 00:39:35,589
...pass sentence on yourselves too
512
00:39:35,912 --> 00:39:38,183
Shit! You take us for fools!
513
00:39:38,508 --> 00:39:39,935
Remove that man.
514
00:39:43,083 --> 00:39:44,932
This is unbelievable
515
00:39:45,223 --> 00:39:49,759
More unbelievable is tour declaration
of war against the accused
516
00:39:50,077 --> 00:39:52,966
Bud wars have the Geneva Convention
517
00:39:53,361 --> 00:39:59,863
That protects prisoners against the
calculated destruction of their health...
518
00:40:00,221 --> 00:40:03,671
...for which you blame the
prisoners themselves
519
00:40:04,753 --> 00:40:06,608
I'm warning you
520
00:40:06,998 --> 00:40:09,857
The High Court found
the condetions lawful
521
00:40:11,674 --> 00:40:16,565
The prosoners are dungerous adherents
of the Red Army Faction
522
00:40:16,942 --> 00:40:18,541
Ideological justice!
523
00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:22,124
It's absurd to say we wounld
disrupt prison order
524
00:40:22,476 --> 00:40:24,921
How? When? Wrere?
525
00:40:26,393 --> 00:40:33,303
How can we disrupt when in 3 years we've
never even spoken to anather inmate?
526
00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:41,352
How can a prisoner in isolation reveal to
the authorities a change in behaviour?
527
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,138
How?
528
00:40:45,217 --> 00:40:49,624
In a situation in which all
expression of life is suppressed
529
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,000
The prisoner in isolation has only one
way to express a change of heart
530
00:40:58,147 --> 00:40:59,717
By betrayal
531
00:41:00,683 --> 00:41:03,978
There is no other way
532
00:41:04,825 --> 00:41:07,889
Isolation provide 2 possibilities
533
00:41:08,266 --> 00:41:11,444
Either they force a prisoner to silence
534
00:41:11,714 --> 00:41:13,227
That is, he dies there
535
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,298
Or, he talks
536
00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:17,582
And that is betrayal
537
00:41:18,675 --> 00:41:21,424
That is torture, clear-cut torture
538
00:41:22,005 --> 00:41:25,322
Forcing confessions by means of isolation
539
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:29,605
Punishing and confusing the prisoner
540
00:41:29,879 --> 00:41:31,417
You are out of order
541
00:41:33,268 --> 00:41:34,763
Next witness!
542
00:41:45,178 --> 00:41:51,084
You occupied a cell next to the witness
accused ot making bombs?
543
00:41:51,514 --> 00:41:55,724
Yes, I asked him why he was
making a confession.
544
00:41:56,233 --> 00:42:01,632
He said they threatened to charge him
with conspiracy to murder
545
00:42:02,158 --> 00:42:08,711
Bud if he gave evidence, they'd help him
start a new life in the US
546
00:42:10,227 --> 00:42:13,128
- Why are you in jail?
- Politics
547
00:42:13,456 --> 00:42:15,812
We have po political prisoners
548
00:42:16,138 --> 00:42:17,460
What's your offence?
549
00:42:17,794 --> 00:42:21,126
Waging war against
capitalist exploitation
550
00:42:21,431 --> 00:42:23,109
By what means?
551
00:42:23,455 --> 00:42:25,741
That's how you coerce your witnesses
552
00:42:26,058 --> 00:42:28,730
Herr Baader is barred from proceedings
553
00:42:32,103 --> 00:42:33,120
You have to reply
554
00:42:33,394 --> 00:42:34,565
I don't
555
00:42:35,215 --> 00:42:36,668
Yes, you do
556
00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:37,822
Ridiculous!
557
00:42:38,162 --> 00:42:38,999
Quiet!
558
00:42:39,338 --> 00:42:40,113
Don't shout!
559
00:42:40,624 --> 00:42:42,885
Stop playing the clown
560
00:42:44,101 --> 00:42:45,643
The consequences for...
561
00:42:45,959 --> 00:42:48,803
Stick your consequences up your arse
562
00:42:50,134 --> 00:42:53,121
Silence! Or I'll clear the court
563
00:42:54,735 --> 00:42:57,613
I sentence you to 3 days punishment
564
00:42:58,812 --> 00:43:01,199
Know what being on oath means?
565
00:43:01,562 --> 00:43:06,521
I don't swear oaths.
You believe me or you don't
566
00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:08,999
You refuse to take the oath?
567
00:43:09,034 --> 00:43:10,185
On principle
568
00:43:10,566 --> 00:43:14,157
- There's a 1,000 kark fine
-Cash?
569
00:43:14,603 --> 00:43:16,697
According to Clause 61...
570
00:43:16,994 --> 00:43:19,544
...oaths are waived if the accused agree
571
00:43:20,313 --> 00:43:23,292
The accused are not all present
572
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:25,387
Bring Baader
573
00:43:30,288 --> 00:43:31,881
Can we waive the oath?
574
00:43:32,195 --> 00:43:35,489
Couldn't care less. They're your rules
575
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:36,636
Yes or no?
576
00:43:36,933 --> 00:43:38,711
This is a farce!
577
00:43:41,866 --> 00:43:44,766
-Do you waive it? Yes or no?
- I already did
578
00:43:45,086 --> 00:43:46,942
Frau Ensslin?
579
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:51,024
Don't give a damn
580
00:43:52,046 --> 00:43:53,969
Of course I waive it
581
00:43:54,486 --> 00:43:55,669
Me too
582
00:43:56,112 --> 00:43:59,090
I also bring a plea to reject this court...
583
00:43:59,448 --> 00:44:02,126
...because of the way you
throw Andreas out...
584
00:44:02,424 --> 00:44:05,725
...then bring him in but
don't let him speak
585
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:08,111
- It's grotesque
- Witness dismissed
586
00:44:08,425 --> 00:44:10,932
- I wish to speak
- Remove the witness!
587
00:44:11,543 --> 00:44:15,652
I wish to state why I am
a political prisoner
588
00:44:18,009 --> 00:44:19,687
I'll smash you, you pigs!
589
00:44:21,075 --> 00:44:24,296
Like that sort of thing, don't you?
590
00:44:24,499 --> 00:44:27,357
Do you wish to justify your rejection?
591
00:44:29,398 --> 00:44:33,333
The court knows, because you
bug our conversations...
592
00:44:33,681 --> 00:44:37,411
...that we intend to set this
case straight politically
593
00:44:38,339 --> 00:44:41,801
This case, the peak of political justice...
594
00:44:42,202 --> 00:44:44,208
...is just plain Fascist
595
00:44:44,533 --> 00:44:46,983
- It's capitalist politics
- Out of order!
596
00:45:01,476 --> 00:45:05,552
This scene reveals the total
blutality of this machine
597
00:45:07,625 --> 00:45:13,100
I'll read what Ulrike wanred to say
bud was not allowed to
598
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:47,161
To say my strained relations with you...
599
00:45:47,486 --> 00:45:51,072
...come from my lack of
remolutionary force...
600
00:45:51,595 --> 00:45:55,665
...was shameful, considering
what I'm going through
601
00:45:56,951 --> 00:46:00,616
My Fascist conditioning,
through sadism and religion...
602
00:46:00,939 --> 00:46:07,107
...caught uo with me becouse L never
broke my links wit the ruling class
603
00:46:08,176 --> 00:46:13,292
I crawled to the Red Army Faction
as I did to he bourgeoisie
604
00:46:13,726 --> 00:46:19,433
Treting you like cops means
having been a pig myself
605
00:46:20,311 --> 00:46:23,724
A hypocritical swine from
the ruling classes
606
00:46:31,443 --> 00:46:33,235
We knew the Springer building....
607
00:46:33,531 --> 00:46:35,569
...had been surrounded by students...
608
00:46:35,832 --> 00:46:39,856
...and we'd been prevented
from going to work
609
00:46:40,805 --> 00:46:42,906
It was brocked off
610
00:46:43,227 --> 00:46:45,885
We had to put up with their abuse
611
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,502
But putting a bomb there?
612
00:46:49,889 --> 00:46:52,156
No one could've believed that
613
00:46:52,456 --> 00:46:53,513
Were you hurt?
614
00:46:53,651 --> 00:46:55,671
Yes, a bruised shest
615
00:46:56,197 --> 00:46:58,154
And your workmates?
616
00:46:58,492 --> 00:47:03,268
Yes. Broken ribs, cuts, lacerations,
impaired hearing...
617
00:47:04,568 --> 00:47:07,332
It,s a wonder no one was killed
618
00:47:16,515 --> 00:47:19,227
You're an editor with Springer Press?
619
00:47:19,581 --> 00:47:21,757
I was in a meeting when it went off
620
00:47:22,388 --> 00:47:26,773
It was one of 5 bombs -
not all of them exploded
621
00:47:27,593 --> 00:47:34,205
Most people fled.
But journalists are inquisitive
622
00:47:34,595 --> 00:47:40,655
We stood chatting, when suddenly
there was a bang, ant it went dark
623
00:47:41,931 --> 00:47:44,987
I looked round at the wounded
624
00:47:45,422 --> 00:47:47,716
I was amazed they'd hit at proofreaders
625
00:47:48,029 --> 00:47:49,893
They are usually left-wing
626
00:47:50,296 --> 00:47:56,118
If they'd hit the computer centre.
They'd have damaged Springer more
627
00:47:59,556 --> 00:48:02,811
Terrorism is the
destruction of facilities...
628
00:48:04,278 --> 00:48:07,301
...dykes, reservoirs, hospitals...
629
00:48:07,687 --> 00:48:09,049
...power stations...
630
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:14,908
All those have been bombed by
the US in Vietnam since 1964
631
00:48:15,917 --> 00:48:21,256
Terrorism intimidates the masses.
Urban guerrillias only threaten the state
632
00:48:21,602 --> 00:48:24,857
I cannot accept irrelevant arguments
633
00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:28,916
You want to stop us saying
anything at all
634
00:48:30,195 --> 00:48:31,644
Frau Meinhof, go on
635
00:48:32,761 --> 00:48:36,527
Urban guerrilla actions are
not aimed at the people
636
00:48:36,904 --> 00:48:40,550
They combat the terrorism
of the imprerialist state
637
00:48:40,931 --> 00:48:41,764
Enough!
638
00:48:42,091 --> 00:48:43,211
You're a washout
639
00:48:43,581 --> 00:48:45,417
Turn Baader's microphone off
640
00:48:45,664 --> 00:48:48,413
Master of microphones, not of this court
641
00:48:51,959 --> 00:48:54,044
This is not a normal case
642
00:48:54,187 --> 00:48:59,749
It's a clash between the bourgeois
capitalist state and its radical opponents
643
00:49:00,109 --> 00:49:05,014
Dr. Horst Herold, President of the
Criminal Investigation Bureau, said:
644
00:49:05,438 --> 00:49:11,944
''Is terrorism id Germany and the world
the brainchild of a Baader or a Meinhof?
645
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,946
''The sick brain as many see it
646
00:49:15,256 --> 00:49:17,196
''Or does terrorism...
647
00:49:17,647 --> 00:49:22,228
...stem from the economic situation
in the Western world?
648
00:49:22,544 --> 00:49:25,898
''Does it merely reflect a problem?
649
00:49:26,504 --> 00:49:31,426
''The crucial question is:
who fights terrorism?
650
00:49:31,743 --> 00:49:34,083
''Police or politicians?
651
00:49:34,386 --> 00:49:37,138
''I say this with reluctance
652
00:49:37,446 --> 00:49:41,531
''Bud the tendency is to introduce
special international laws''
653
00:49:43,759 --> 00:49:48,919
For 5 years, Herold used us as
an excuse to extent his apparatus
654
00:49:50,359 --> 00:49:56,019
He wants international anti-guerrilla
laws for his own ends
655
00:49:56,486 --> 00:50:00,246
He says:''I am the man to wage this war
656
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,278
''Give me the apparatus, the money
657
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:05,627
''And above all, the political power''
658
00:50:06,012 --> 00:50:09,747
Herold advocates the police state-
the height of reaction
659
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:13,934
While our judge here keeps
banging away at us
660
00:50:24,648 --> 00:50:26,652
What's the matter with her?
661
00:50:37,343 --> 00:50:39,027
Who are you kidding?
662
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:41,070
You hate us
663
00:50:41,848 --> 00:50:44,329
There are plenty of signs
664
00:50:46,542 --> 00:50:50,119
It shows in your passivity,
withdrawal...
665
00:50:51,101 --> 00:50:54,887
...bad drammar, destructiveness,
misunderstanding, etc. ...
666
00:50:57,605 --> 00:51:01,140
I'vi no time for that type
of self-criticism
667
00:51:05,499 --> 00:51:08,913
Pull yourself together or go to hell!
668
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:14,232
You undermine us - even the law can't
669
00:51:15,028 --> 00:51:18,084
It's not mystical ti say I can't go on
670
00:51:19,003 --> 00:51:21,402
I can't stand feeling so defenceless
671
00:51:22,555 --> 00:51:25,595
Lots does on in my head, I day nothing
672
00:51:26,512 --> 00:51:29,510
Bud I could scream at your malice
673
00:51:31,272 --> 00:51:34,742
It's as if there's a deal I'm no part of
674
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,952
I keep quiet while Gudrun lies
675
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:41,267
Parania. You pig!
676
00:51:41,603 --> 00:51:44,549
How can I pull myself tigether...
677
00:51:44,908 --> 00:51:47,127
...when her image of me is a pig?
678
00:51:49,458 --> 00:51:51,338
Two total lunatics!
679
00:52:39,078 --> 00:52:44,078
The accused do not deny Red Army
Faction political responsibility...
680
00:52:44,394 --> 00:52:50,111
...for attacks on US Army
installations in W. Germany
681
00:52:51,463 --> 00:52:56,811
That is not, however, a statement
if individual responsibility
682
00:52:57,991 --> 00:53:00,998
We wish to call the following witnesses;
683
00:53:01,574 --> 00:53:04,281
Former US President Richard M. Nixon
684
00:53:05,802 --> 00:53:08,215
Former Defence Secretary Melvin Laird
685
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,863
Ex-Chief of Staff,
US Forces in Vietnam...
686
00:53:13,905 --> 00:53:17,169
The witnesses will testify that they...
687
00:53:17,696 --> 00:53:20,829
...wilfully killed
a great many Vietnamese...
688
00:53:21,161 --> 00:53:23,950
...and inflicted suffering on others...
689
00:53:31,518 --> 00:53:34,942
How low would you stoop
to eradicate baseness?
690
00:53:36,269 --> 00:53:40,113
To change the world, to what
lengths would you do?
691
00:53:44,635 --> 00:53:46,525
It is terrible to kill
692
00:53:47,125 --> 00:53:50,769
Not only others... we kill ourselves
693
00:53:51,114 --> 00:53:54,087
This lethal world must
be changed by force
694
00:53:54,427 --> 00:53:56,362
Everyone knows that
695
00:53:59,979 --> 00:54:04,324
We accept these charges.
In part we conceived them
696
00:54:04,878 --> 00:54:08,656
But our politics are not
bound by state laws
697
00:54:09,536 --> 00:54:11,655
Condemning revolutionary politics...
698
00:54:11,975 --> 00:54:14,169
...only shows the system is a lie
699
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,277
I rule you out of order
700
00:54:19,458 --> 00:54:23,527
These charges reveal that
the purpose of this trial is...
701
00:54:23,876 --> 00:54:26,047
...coutrol of the state by US capital
702
00:54:26,705 --> 00:54:28,668
The petitions are of course futile
703
00:54:29,286 --> 00:54:32,212
In fact, compared ti this trial...
704
00:54:32,771 --> 00:54:37,103
...a Fascist court martial at least has
the courage of its convictionas
705
00:54:37,437 --> 00:54:39,567
We shall also call...
706
00:54:40,054 --> 00:54:42,995
...two former US secter agents....
707
00:54:43,339 --> 00:54:47,880
..to testfy that the computer at
US headquarters, Haidelberg...
708
00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:51,601
...was used to plot the aerial bombing...
709
00:54:52,281 --> 00:54:54,664
..of civilian areas of S. Vietnam...
710
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,116
...and the bombing
of dykes in N. Vietnam
711
00:54:59,474 --> 00:55:03,965
The aim was to aghieve the maximum
number of civilian deaths
712
00:55:04,275 --> 00:55:09,772
The accused are not interested
in establishing the truth
713
00:55:10,503 --> 00:55:16,029
They want to use this trial for
agitation and self- glorification
714
00:55:16,377 --> 00:55:22,574
If evidence shows W. German territoru
was used to abet US war crimes...
715
00:55:23,198 --> 00:55:27,728
...thes W.Germany itself is contravening
international law
716
00:55:28,065 --> 00:55:35,426
Imagine a bomb attack on the Security
Headquarters of the Third Reich
717
00:55:35,847 --> 00:55:42,964
Imagine a trial conducted against
those accused of planting the bomb
718
00:55:44,218 --> 00:55:48,173
Would you refuse to allow
evidence which showed...
719
00:55:49,208 --> 00:55:54,704
...that the decisions to exterminate
Jewish fellow-citizens...
720
00:55:55,029 --> 00:55:58,133
...were co-ordinated
in that establishment?
721
00:55:58,567 --> 00:56:03,386
Every lawyer knows that in
certain circumstances...
722
00:56:03,871 --> 00:56:09,089
...there is a legal right of
''justifiable defence''...
723
00:56:09,418 --> 00:56:13,104
...even when it leads to loss of life
724
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:19,302
There is no such tight that
would justify these attacks
725
00:56:19,671 --> 00:56:21,609
But the images are the same
726
00:56:21,933 --> 00:56:26,635
Jewish children walking towards the
SS men who destroyed the ghetto
727
00:56:27,258 --> 00:56:33,041
And Vietnamese children burned by napalm
running towards the photographer
728
00:56:33,497 --> 00:56:35,504
The evidence hinges on this
729
00:56:35,788 --> 00:56:38,516
Does one tolerate such acts of murder?
730
00:56:38,879 --> 00:56:45,284
Or is one justified in taking action against
the mechanism which allows it?
731
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:47,852
The Vietnam war is irrelevant here
732
00:56:48,187 --> 00:56:50,937
Within the jurisdiction of our law...
733
00:56:51,250 --> 00:56:54,014
...''justifiable defence''
notwithstanding...
734
00:56:57,995 --> 00:57:01,461
What's the difference between
our heads and hands...
735
00:57:01,768 --> 00:57:04,640
...and American bombers in Vietnam?
736
00:57:04,967 --> 00:57:08,029
Pity we weren't more effective militarily
737
00:57:09,366 --> 00:57:12,618
We attacked the CIA headquarters...
738
00:57:12,999 --> 00:57:15,654
... the 5th Army Corps HQ in Frankfurt
739
00:57:15,961 --> 00:57:18,398
...and the US Army HQ in Heidelberg
740
00:57:18,711 --> 00:57:22,027
We joined the Red Army Faction in 1970...
741
00:57:22,404 --> 00:57:26,969
...and adhered to its politics
and its structure
742
00:57:27,675 --> 00:57:31,878
So we are also politically responsible
fro commando raids...
743
00:57:32,393 --> 00:57:34,501
...sugh as the Springer bombing...
744
00:57:34,879 --> 00:57:39,842
...which we did not make part in,
and which we teject
745
00:59:09,891 --> 00:59:11,288
109th day of the trial
746
00:59:49,596 --> 00:59:53,311
The trial will proceed of
Baader, Ensslin and Raspe
747
00:59:53,625 --> 00:59:56,459
Frau Meinhof's death closes her case
748
00:59:57,765 --> 01:00:01,067
Some members of the public did not rise
749
01:00:01,330 --> 01:00:06,358
May I remind you that provocations
of this type...
750
01:00:06,393 --> 01:00:10,064
...witt mean your removal
from the courtroom
751
01:00:11,173 --> 01:00:13,561
Proceed with your cross-examination
752
01:00:15,895 --> 01:00:18,075
I request a 10-day adjournment
753
01:00:18,716 --> 01:00:22,676
Ulrike Meinhof's death
creates a new situation
754
01:00:23,865 --> 01:00:28,109
It's not a ledal point. Common decency
demonds an adjournment
755
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:35,336
I just want to say that we believe
Ulrike was executed
756
01:00:36,624 --> 01:00:40,280
We don't know how.
But we know by whom, and why
757
01:00:41,396 --> 01:00:43,216
A cold act of execution
758
01:00:44,777 --> 01:00:47,033
The court will not tolerate contempt
759
01:00:47,516 --> 01:00:49,274
It Ulrike had chosen ti die...
760
01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:54,259
...as the one way of preserving
her remolutionary identity...
761
01:00:54,616 --> 01:00:58,691
...she would certainly have told us -
Andreas at least
762
01:00:59,073 --> 01:01:01,046
No memorial speeches, prease
763
01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:03,636
Do you wish to bring a sharge?
764
01:01:03,934 --> 01:01:04,817
I'll be brief
765
01:01:05,243 --> 01:01:06,744
To what purpose?
766
01:01:08,958 --> 01:01:12,544
- Let me finish
- Do you intend bringing a charge?
767
01:01:13,790 --> 01:01:15,579
Hurry, or you can't proceed
768
01:01:18,024 --> 01:01:20,111
I support the requset for adjournment
769
01:01:21,250 --> 01:01:23,671
Why not say that before? Proceed
770
01:01:23,888 --> 01:01:25,138
Sadist!
771
01:01:25,571 --> 01:01:27,389
You interrupt to confuse him
772
01:01:28,645 --> 01:01:34,909
Is was a brother/sister relationship,
based on political doals
773
01:01:35,482 --> 01:01:40,131
She was free; freedom only exists
in the struggle for liberation
774
01:01:41,462 --> 01:01:45,758
To say there were tensions
between Ulrike and Andreas...
775
01:01:46,118 --> 01:01:51,749
...and use Ulrike's death
in your psychological warfare...
776
01:01:52,101 --> 01:01:54,497
...shows how stupid you are!
777
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,322
Out of order
778
01:01:56,686 --> 01:01:59,976
Oh yes, your sadism, your methods...
779
01:02:00,306 --> 01:02:01,535
You're a killer!
780
01:02:04,539 --> 01:02:09,188
Yes, you are. Under your presidency
of this court...
781
01:02:09,499 --> 01:02:12,431
...3 out 5 prisoners have been killed
782
01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:19,659
And when we denounce the machine
you so sadistically represent...
783
01:02:20,034 --> 01:02:22,289
...you stop us speaking
784
01:02:22,666 --> 01:02:25,109
You've no right to speak for Raspe
785
01:02:27,307 --> 01:02:31,916
In the public's eyes, the name
pf Ulrike Meinhof...
786
01:02:32,551 --> 01:02:35,390
...is associated with high
standards of morality
787
01:02:35,737 --> 01:02:38,261
It's therefore worth reflecting...
788
01:02:38,725 --> 01:02:45,395
...that her death occurred when the defence
introduced a political element
789
01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:55,254
It's hard for me ti say anything
790
01:02:56,713 --> 01:02:59,632
We shouldn't speak ti you at all now
791
01:03:00,169 --> 01:03:02,035
It is time to act
792
01:03:02,479 --> 01:03:05,057
- Antagonosm between state and...
- Out of order
793
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,982
You stop me speaking?
794
01:03:10,299 --> 01:03:12,717
Yes, if ti's not a submission
795
01:03:13,105 --> 01:03:15,866
Not in front of this horde of rats
796
01:03:16,175 --> 01:03:18,636
Contempt of court
797
01:03:22,428 --> 01:03:25,590
A person deprived of freedom...
798
01:03:25,977 --> 01:03:29,964
...has employed the profound,
puzzling freedom of suicide
799
01:03:30,885 --> 01:03:35,512
That's raeson enough to suspend
the proceedings of this court
800
01:03:35,899 --> 01:03:38,508
The situation needs to be clorified
801
01:03:39,521 --> 01:03:43,872
A sense of piety should make it
impossible to proceed...
802
01:03:45,315 --> 01:03:47,654
...until the deceased is laid to rest
803
01:03:48,046 --> 01:03:50,356
There's no reason ti grant the request
804
01:03:51,635 --> 01:03:56,349
There is no povision for adjournment
on the death of an accused
805
01:03:57,649 --> 01:04:01,634
It the funeral occurs on a day
the court is sitting...
806
01:04:02,316 --> 01:04:06,696
... the prosecution does not object
to an afternoon start
807
01:04:12,495 --> 01:04:15,453
Prea to suspend proceedings denied
808
01:04:27,251 --> 01:04:31,843
The defence will not proceed until
after Ulrike Meinhof's funeral
809
01:04:40,064 --> 01:04:45,117
Your behaviour here allows
no relationshop with you...
810
01:04:45,516 --> 01:04:48,627
...other than waining for you with a gun
811
01:05:18,751 --> 01:05:23,367
She did not have the mental and
amotional make-up of a true terrorist
812
01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:28,387
She was often no more than a tool
813
01:05:28,970 --> 01:05:32,686
Her name was used to
influence certain people
814
01:05:33,070 --> 01:05:36,534
But it's wrong to think
she was just a victim
815
01:05:36,879 --> 01:05:40,411
What happned in Frankfurt exactly?
816
01:05:41,787 --> 01:05:44,555
Ulrike Meinhof came to Frankfurt
817
01:05:44,903 --> 01:05:49,827
She suggested attacking the
Springer building in Hambutg
818
01:05:51,182 --> 01:05:55,206
She was responsible for planning
and organization
819
01:05:55,737 --> 01:05:57,920
She was given bombs
820
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:04,484
Afterwards the rest of the group
ariticized her. Why?
821
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:08,967
Because workers were injuted as a resulf
822
01:06:10,161 --> 01:06:13,957
Wasn't that to be expected
in an action like that?
823
01:06:14,486 --> 01:06:17,014
Yes, people were targets as well
824
01:06:18,374 --> 01:06:22,270
Baader complained that
print workest were hurt
825
01:06:25,369 --> 01:06:28,726
Really licking arses now, you pig
826
01:06:29,629 --> 01:06:32,682
Was there any kind of hierarchy?
827
01:06:33,739 --> 01:06:36,424
A natural pecking order, so to speak
828
01:06:37,177 --> 01:06:40,645
Yes. Baader was the brains at the top
829
01:06:41,938 --> 01:06:45,901
Then there was the nucleus of
Meinhof, Meins, Raspe, Ensslin
830
01:06:46,349 --> 01:06:50,262
Then same rank and file members,
and fringe members
831
01:06:50,781 --> 01:06:52,537
You slimbed the ladder
832
01:06:54,658 --> 01:06:56,609
How were you ti react...
833
01:06:56,968 --> 01:06:59,055
...if theatened with capture?
834
01:06:59,354 --> 01:07:01,647
We had instructions to shoot
835
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:06,874
Carrying guns was idealized,
the image of the true guerrillero
836
01:07:08,473 --> 01:07:12,880
Anyone involved in a shoot-out
was idolized
837
01:07:14,053 --> 01:07:18,431
Anyone Killed or injured
was treated like a martyr
838
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:23,099
Members would stand in front of mirrors
drawing guns
839
01:07:24,818 --> 01:07:26,273
Where were you in October ''71?
840
01:07:26,562 --> 01:07:28,233
Kiel and Hamburg
841
01:07:28,654 --> 01:07:30,832
know the Seseler Damm in Hamburg?
842
01:07:31,180 --> 01:07:32,593
Seseler Damm, you mean
843
01:07:35,785 --> 01:07:39,216
So you know the car park
behind the shopping centre?
844
01:07:39,937 --> 01:07:41,646
That's going too far
845
01:07:42,707 --> 01:07:44,872
You needn't incriminate yourself
846
01:07:50,632 --> 01:07:51,992
Where were you....
847
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,154
...on 21st October 1971 ?
848
01:08:00,782 --> 01:08:02,664
The microphone's off
849
01:08:07,612 --> 01:08:12,294
The questions obviousle refer to the
murder of the policeman Schmid
850
01:08:14,459 --> 01:08:18,326
The case is still on progress.
I don't wish to comment
851
01:08:19,768 --> 01:08:22,506
But I didn't shoot the policeman
852
01:08:24,166 --> 01:08:26,610
I won't answer further questions on this
853
01:08:27,519 --> 01:08:29,431
Did you shoot PC Schmid?
854
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:30,848
He said no
855
01:08:31,178 --> 01:08:33,154
If you didn't, who did?
856
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:35,281
I refuse to reply
857
01:08:35,632 --> 01:08:39,183
When others accused you,
did you say you were proud?
858
01:08:39,543 --> 01:08:42,284
- Proud you shot a pig?
- Disgraceful!
859
01:08:42,638 --> 01:08:44,981
- Ever held a gun?
- No reply
860
01:08:45,326 --> 01:08:46,949
Ever talk about Schmid?
861
01:08:48,821 --> 01:08:50,666
No comment
862
01:08:51,076 --> 01:08:54,862
In this case I find refusal ti reply
unjustified
863
01:08:55,276 --> 01:08:56,432
It's justified
864
01:08:56,849 --> 01:08:58,893
Is your evidence...
865
01:08:59,407 --> 01:09:05,612
...contained in files 3 ARP 74/75,
held by the Public Prosecutor?
866
01:09:08,013 --> 01:09:09,467
What are they?
867
01:09:09,843 --> 01:09:12,009
Was a decision about these lifes...
868
01:09:12,427 --> 01:09:14,848
...tajen by the Ministry of Jistice?
869
01:09:15,301 --> 01:09:18,268
- Do you recall?
- I heard something of the kind
870
01:09:18,693 --> 01:09:21,578
The Ministry refuses ti release these files
871
01:09:21,949 --> 01:09:24,267
Do they contain your statement?
872
01:09:25,452 --> 01:09:26,823
It's possible
873
01:09:27,223 --> 01:09:33,890
How wonld your statement damage
W. Germany if it were made public?
874
01:09:34,591 --> 01:09:36,103
What d'you mean?
875
01:09:36,441 --> 01:09:39,999
Paet of your statement has
bee declared ''secret''
876
01:09:40,328 --> 01:09:43,218
That's not a proper question. Invalid
877
01:09:45,655 --> 01:09:48,096
Did your interrogators in Bonn...
878
01:09:48,458 --> 01:09:50,907
-...threaten you?
- Yes
879
01:09:53,697 --> 01:09:58,515
They said if I didn't talk
I'd be tried, like the others
880
01:09:58,893 --> 01:10:00,164
That scared you?
881
01:10:02,529 --> 01:10:05,155
I protest against the insinuation...
882
01:10:05,557 --> 01:10:11,164
...that the witness was bought off ot
btainwashed by the W.German authorities
883
01:10:11,677 --> 01:10:15,919
The witness may also be guilty,
bud I find him credible
884
01:10:16,317 --> 01:10:18,485
Saul converted to Paul too
885
01:10:18,694 --> 01:10:22,368
In a constitutional state which
believes in rehabilitation...
886
01:10:22,654 --> 01:10:24,678
...this should be recognized
887
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,871
Anyone who succeeds in breaking free
from a criminal group...
888
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,051
...deserves understanding, even respect
889
01:10:32,598 --> 01:10:37,612
It's noticeable that the accused
have not confronted the witnesses
890
01:10:38,016 --> 01:10:41,893
They have shosen not to appear
in court on the days...
891
01:10:42,315 --> 01:10:47,463
....that the victims of the 6 bomb
explosions gave evidence
892
01:10:49,090 --> 01:10:53,385
We thank the Chief Publiv Prosecutor
for being present
893
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,728
Did the investigating officers...
894
01:10:58,113 --> 01:11:02,461
...promise the witness special treatment
for making his statement?
895
01:11:03,673 --> 01:11:08,627
The Public Prosecutor's Office has
already replied to this question
896
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:14,904
I declare that none of the persons named
was promised any form of favour...
897
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:19,227
...nor thereatened with any penalty...
898
01:11:22,034 --> 01:11:26,916
...nor was any inflience exerted on
the contend of their statements
899
01:11:27,315 --> 01:11:29,429
Do you know of file ARP 74/75?
900
01:11:30,186 --> 01:11:32,272
Of course I know of its existence
901
01:11:32,648 --> 01:11:33,663
And the contents?
902
01:11:33,976 --> 01:11:35,764
I'm not permitted to answer
903
01:11:37,303 --> 01:11:39,621
Does it contain the interrogation...
904
01:11:39,999 --> 01:11:42,534
- ...of the last witness?
- I can't say
905
01:11:42,912 --> 01:11:44,445
You ordered it classified?
906
01:11:44,788 --> 01:11:45,911
I suggested it
907
01:11:59,614 --> 01:12:03,503
There's a blueprint to integrate
internal and external security
908
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:07,684
It will create a central
cointer-insurgency apparatus...
909
01:12:07,997 --> 01:12:13,540
....which be integrated with NATO,
and based in W.Germany...
910
01:12:13,869 --> 01:12:16,905
...because parliamentary
opposition is unlikely
911
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,065
Irrelevant to the presence of this witness
912
01:12:20,352 --> 01:12:22,155
You are digressing
913
01:12:22,461 --> 01:12:24,324
They're his initiatives
914
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:32,462
London Institute for Conflict Studies:
how to combat terrorism
915
01:12:33,255 --> 01:12:38,709
What concerns us here are the
murder charges adainst you
916
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,357
The miliraty/strategic background
concerns me
917
01:12:43,696 --> 01:12:48,762
So do the peculiarities of this trial,
and the elimination of prisoners
918
01:12:49,139 --> 01:12:52,073
I should rule you out of order for that
919
01:12:53,272 --> 01:12:56,394
Special court, judges, building
920
01:12:56,759 --> 01:12:59,904
You're not here to make a case
against the witness
921
01:13:00,212 --> 01:13:02,595
Ask qouestions, nothihg else
922
01:13:02,934 --> 01:13:06,049
Ok! I'll ask him if he know
these directives
923
01:13:06,987 --> 01:13:09,602
1. Infiltrate terrorist organizations
924
01:13:11,692 --> 01:13:14,536
2. Locate terrorist headquarters
925
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:17,713
3. Eliminate leasers
926
01:13:18,090 --> 01:13:20,926
Irrelevant to the charges against you
927
01:13:22,744 --> 01:13:28,532
Whatever you think, the Public Prosecutor
does not initiate such meansures
928
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:31,630
Out of order
929
01:13:32,534 --> 01:13:35,654
Do you know of NATO
papers advocating...
930
01:13:35,987 --> 01:13:38,896
...militaty action against the
Red Army Faction?
931
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:40,671
Inadmissable
932
01:13:41,478 --> 01:13:43,721
I renew my rejection of this court
933
01:13:44,150 --> 01:13:48,719
Dismissing this question proves you
want to label thr Red Army Faction...
934
01:13:49,118 --> 01:13:52,420
...a purely ''criminal alliance''...
935
01:13:52,806 --> 01:13:55,249
- And not a political...
- Anyone else?
936
01:13:57,390 --> 01:14:00,496
It's lutile, bud I second the rejection
937
01:14:01,779 --> 01:14:04,532
The propaganda element is obvious:
938
01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:07,147
a campaign to exterminate the accused
939
01:14:08,379 --> 01:14:11,079
Here the law is a facade...
940
01:14:11,503 --> 01:14:14,093
...for the elimination of undesirables
941
01:14:15,049 --> 01:14:16,909
Out of order
942
01:14:19,851 --> 01:14:23,497
Did you know the authorities
spread the rumour...
943
01:14:23,694 --> 01:14:26,620
...that the Red Army Faction
has nuclear devices?
944
01:14:27,014 --> 01:14:28,875
I read something to the effect
945
01:14:29,252 --> 01:14:30,221
Where?
946
01:14:30,517 --> 01:14:32,232
In the papers
947
01:14:32,567 --> 01:14:36,208
Did you investigate the report?
948
01:14:36,541 --> 01:14:38,646
It may have been discussed
949
01:14:38,963 --> 01:14:39,887
To what effect?
950
01:14:40,210 --> 01:14:42,356
I don't know any derails to date
951
01:14:42,691 --> 01:14:43,467
Who discussed it?
952
01:14:44,733 --> 01:14:46,239
I can't remember
953
01:14:46,571 --> 01:14:47,910
When was it discussed?
954
01:14:48,252 --> 01:14:50,049
I don't remember that either
955
01:14:50,429 --> 01:14:52,932
Isn't it too unusual to forget?
956
01:14:53,677 --> 01:14:55,437
No, I don't think so
957
01:14:55,785 --> 01:14:58,135
You mean it's common...
958
01:14:58,559 --> 01:15:02,606
...to discover that certain groups
have nuclear devices?
959
01:15:03,022 --> 01:15:09,113
The Public Prosecutor's Office
deals with sriminal prosecution
960
01:15:09,559 --> 01:15:10,779
That includes investigation
961
01:15:12,657 --> 01:15:14,186
Yes, of course
962
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:18,778
So, ins't activity involving
nuclear devices...
963
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,599
...of such vital interest...
964
01:15:21,981 --> 01:15:25,325
...that your memory shouldn't
fade so quickly?
965
01:15:27,232 --> 01:15:30,453
I repeat, this is irrelevant to the case
966
01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:33,500
We're assuming quatity and quality...
967
01:15:33,856 --> 01:15:35,962
... of Red Army Faction operations
968
01:15:37,202 --> 01:15:43,287
If information concerning nuclear
devices plays a role...
969
01:15:43,672 --> 01:15:46,379
...then the question is relevant
970
01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:50,240
Is anyone accused of possessing
nuclear devices?
971
01:15:50,522 --> 01:15:52,841
- No, they aren't
- Exactly
972
01:15:53,234 --> 01:15:54,870
Keep to the accusation
973
01:15:55,249 --> 01:15:58,708
Not everything comes under
Clause 129 - ''criminal alliance''
974
01:15:59,151 --> 01:16:01,542
Otherwise, a question like...
975
01:16:01,926 --> 01:16:05,412
... ''Did you know the Red Army Faction
kills babies?''...
976
01:16:05,743 --> 01:16:08,639
...would also be valid
977
01:16:09,697 --> 01:16:13,130
Is that the kind of thing you thins of?
978
01:16:14,789 --> 01:16:18,653
The only reason we are here
after Ulkire's death...
979
01:16:19,017 --> 01:16:23,650
...is to explain the true
structure of our group...
980
01:16:24,068 --> 01:16:28,354
...not the one invented by the witness
as psychological warfare
981
01:16:28,670 --> 01:16:32,609
Strategy was decided collectivery
by discussion
982
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:38,919
The allegation that Ulkire bombed the
Springer building on her own initiative...
983
01:16:39,356 --> 01:16:43,116
...or that there was in-fighting
as that pig says..
984
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:46,288
Please refrain from abusing witnesses
985
01:16:46,708 --> 01:16:52,613
After the Springer operation, Ulrike
went to face her critics in Hamburg
986
01:16:53,145 --> 01:16:55,840
They said her plan did not foresee...
987
01:16:56,196 --> 01:16:59,095
...Springer's refusal to clear the builing
988
01:16:59,448 --> 01:17:00,724
This talk of tension...
989
01:17:01,155 --> 01:17:03,724
...attempts to legitimate her murder
990
01:17:04,114 --> 01:17:08,444
This murder accusation will
lead to disciplinary measures
991
01:17:09,058 --> 01:17:10,877
I could't care less
992
01:17:12,482 --> 01:17:14,916
Did people leave the group? If so, how?
993
01:17:15,416 --> 01:17:17,271
Of course people left
994
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:20,806
In the liberation struggle,
conflicts always arise
995
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:26,381
Some peole want out, though it's not
really possible once you've fought
996
01:17:26,798 --> 01:17:29,201
You just step back info the dirt
997
01:17:29,721 --> 01:17:31,365
But, of course, people left
998
01:17:31,926 --> 01:17:35,180
There was never talk of reprisals, though
999
01:17:37,082 --> 01:17:38,880
Only that case in Berlin
1000
01:17:39,228 --> 01:17:44,610
But that woman betrayed several people.
She gave names, and addresses
1001
01:17:45,761 --> 01:17:50,545
She gol a bucket of tar over her,
and s sign round her neck:
1002
01:17:50,764 --> 01:17:54,056
''This informer's in league
wit the killer pigs''
1003
01:17:54,690 --> 01:18:00,887
When a police informer gest nothing
but a bicket of tat over her...
1004
01:18:01,273 --> 01:18:05,795
...it's absurd to say that people
who leave are shot
1005
01:18:06,212 --> 01:18:08,091
During the hunger strike...
1006
01:18:08,415 --> 01:18:11,485
...was pressure applied not to break it?
1007
01:18:12,494 --> 01:18:15,673
No, it was an individual's decisoon...
1008
01:18:16,068 --> 01:18:20,130
...whether he wanted to give up
the struggle and live
1009
01:18:39,025 --> 01:18:43,434
When I cam here, I had only
one thing in mind: resistance
1010
01:18:44,731 --> 01:18:47,330
Not only because it was
important politically
1011
01:18:47,700 --> 01:18:51,367
But also becauce I needed it
to preserve my identily
1012
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:56,298
Soom there was only one question: how?
1013
01:18:57,098 --> 01:19:01,216
I nearly went out of my mind
trying to answer it
1014
01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:13,610
Give me another one
1015
01:20:13,758 --> 01:20:16,359
- You began the hunger stike?
- Yes
1016
01:20:16,731 --> 01:20:18,775
- Then you broke it off?
- Yes
1017
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:21,661
Why did you start again?
1018
01:20:22,065 --> 01:20:24,145
It was a clear decision
1019
01:20:24,586 --> 01:20:26,887
I just didn't take it immediately
1020
01:20:27,638 --> 01:20:32,056
Breaking it off like that was
the result of being isolated
1021
01:20:32,562 --> 01:20:35,364
We'd been in isolation for 3 years
1022
01:20:35,728 --> 01:20:37,430
Why did you start again?
1023
01:20:37,882 --> 01:20:43,546
It was an existential decision, dammit.
Can't you understand?
1024
01:20:43,875 --> 01:20:46,033
Was it you own decision?
1025
01:20:46,357 --> 01:20:47,164
Of course
1026
01:20:47,863 --> 01:20:51,592
Haturally the group said:
''Hey, start sgain''
1027
01:20:52,083 --> 01:20:54,541
And Holger Meins wrote to me saying:
1028
01:20:55,139 --> 01:20:57,609
''If you shit your pants, wash them''
1029
01:20:58,368 --> 01:20:59,938
Pretty strong stuff
1030
01:21:00,224 --> 01:21:02,075
That was the group
1031
01:21:03,367 --> 01:21:06,610
The ketter helped a lot.
I didn't feel so lost
1032
01:21:06,851 --> 01:21:08,005
Your own free will...
1033
01:21:08,458 --> 01:21:14,604
No! The Public Prosecutor is
determined to destroy us
1034
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:16,852
That's not free will
1035
01:21:17,181 --> 01:21:22,705
We had 2 choices: keep fighting,
ot be manipulated...
1036
01:21:23,115 --> 01:21:25,044
..like your chirf witness
1037
01:21:26,165 --> 01:21:29,304
After Holger was murdered,
they tried to break me...
1038
01:21:29,674 --> 01:21:31,735
...but they backed the wrong horse
1039
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:35,265
In a letter to Baader, you wrote:
1040
01:21:35,637 --> 01:21:39,423
''You threaten me just like a cop
1041
01:21:40,632 --> 01:21:43,854
''Haing myself, you say.
Nothing new it that''
1042
01:21:44,927 --> 01:21:46,527
At another point:
1043
01:21:46,891 --> 01:21:50,515
''You can't expect any more from us...
1044
01:21:50,848 --> 01:21:52,769
''...unless it's an order
1045
01:21:53,147 --> 01:21:58,540
''Ok, I obeyed the order and
began the hunger strike again''
1046
01:21:59,309 --> 01:22:02,376
Still say there was po pressute?
1047
01:22:02,774 --> 01:22:03,671
Of course
1048
01:22:04,774 --> 01:22:06,841
You imply it's the wintess's letter
1049
01:22:07,167 --> 01:22:08,403
- Your writing?
- Yes
1050
01:22:12,023 --> 01:22:16,129
As I soid, the hunger strike
was part of the struggle...
1051
01:22:16,489 --> 01:22:19,733
...a last-ditch stand, an
existential decision...
1052
01:22:20,057 --> 01:22:25,058
...between life and death,
as in any armed action
1053
01:22:26,602 --> 01:22:30,516
For a revolutionary, life's not
the most precious thing
1054
01:22:30,849 --> 01:22:34,196
The choices were; hanging oneself...
1055
01:22:34,533 --> 01:22:38,010
We are not concerned with
hanging, but with...
1056
01:22:38,346 --> 01:22:40,436
That's the worst penalty
1057
01:22:40,723 --> 01:22:44,408
Do you still say pressute
was not applied?
1058
01:22:44,759 --> 01:22:45,911
Yes, I do
1059
01:22:46,308 --> 01:22:47,300
Fine, That's all
1060
01:22:47,670 --> 01:22:49,695
Can I only say uyes or no?
1061
01:22:54,125 --> 01:22:58,197
Being told to hang oneself
is the toughest sancion
1062
01:22:58,686 --> 01:23:00,387
So there were sanctions?
1063
01:23:00,731 --> 01:23:05,608
No! The problem is you imply
an authoritation structure!
1064
01:23:05,983 --> 01:23:09,105
I told you I had completely flipped
1065
01:23:09,421 --> 01:23:13,845
I lost contact. I wouldn't have stopped
the hunger strike otherwise
1066
01:23:14,952 --> 01:23:18,520
The whole letter is muddled ideas
1067
01:23:19,551 --> 01:23:23,201
I forget that, although I'd stopped
the hunger strike..
1068
01:23:23,940 --> 01:23:26,915
...I could resume the fight any time
1069
01:23:27,273 --> 01:23:29,705
Another bit of self-criticism?
1070
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,498
You fool! What d'you know of
criticism ot self-criticism?
1071
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:36,643
It's absurd!
1072
01:23:37,056 --> 01:23:40,859
- Further questions? None
- I haven't finished
1073
01:23:43,724 --> 01:23:45,571
This is for Ulrike, you pig!
1074
01:24:35,164 --> 01:24:36,613
Open the door!
1075
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:50,372
What's up?
1076
01:25:36,762 --> 01:25:39,694
Better ger a quick transfer. You too!
1077
01:25:41,822 --> 01:25:45,236
We won't accept closed doors
ar recreation time
1078
01:25:49,235 --> 01:25:50,573
Leave the door open, pig
1079
01:25:52,445 --> 01:25:53,987
They've done mad
1080
01:25:56,410 --> 01:25:57,737
Open the door!
1081
01:25:59,163 --> 01:26:03,475
You insinuated I was in there for a screw.
1082
01:26:11,363 --> 01:26:13,502
They want war? They'll get it
1083
01:27:08,493 --> 01:27:11,792
It the name of the accused
Ensslin I request...
1084
01:27:12,077 --> 01:27:13,608
...removal of the presiding judge
1085
01:27:14,104 --> 01:27:15,396
61st plea against bias
1086
01:27:15,813 --> 01:27:18,886
He has ordered more stringent conditions
1087
01:27:19,268 --> 01:27:23,477
Recreation periods on the 7th florr
have been suspended
1088
01:27:24,448 --> 01:27:26,464
These stringent conditions...
1089
01:27:26,810 --> 01:27:31,870
...coutravene the minimum standards
set out in the medical reports
1090
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:36,493
Baader is obviously afraid of
lising his position as boss
1091
01:27:36,861 --> 01:27:42,389
Why else would a prisoner who
has hitherto remained aloof...
1092
01:27:42,798 --> 01:27:45,733
...suddenly attack a warder?
1093
01:27:46,131 --> 01:27:49,759
All I can say about the prisoner's health is:
1094
01:27:50,077 --> 01:27:52,408
See what a person...
1095
01:27:52,704 --> 01:27:55,287
...allegedly tortured by isolation...
1096
01:27:55,682 --> 01:27:57,510
...is capable of
1097
01:27:58,299 --> 01:28:04,964
Prison conditions are generous.
Ensslin is allowed to play the violin
1098
01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:07,988
Given Flau Ensslin's position...
1099
01:28:08,903 --> 01:28:13,973
...describing a little violin practice
as generous conditions...
1100
01:28:14,364 --> 01:28:16,183
...is a degree of synicism..
1101
01:28:16,503 --> 01:28:19,040
...I wouldn't have beliveved possible
1102
01:28:19,382 --> 01:28:24,178
This woman has spent over 4 years
in group isolation...
1103
01:28:24,516 --> 01:28:26,731
...which Amnesly International lists...
1104
01:28:27,017 --> 01:28:29,653
...as a clear from of torture
1105
01:28:30,073 --> 01:28:33,174
But you lack the sensitivity to imagine it
1106
01:28:33,488 --> 01:28:36,700
The plea to reject this court dismissed
1107
01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:41,610
This is from a High Court judge
to the editor if 'Die Welr'
1108
01:28:42,435 --> 01:28:44,211
''Dear fraternity member...
1109
01:28:47,315 --> 01:28:52,647
''Please destroy these documents ofter use
1110
01:28:53,013 --> 01:28:57,063
''No need to send me a copy
of 'Die West'. I subscribe''
1111
01:28:57,422 --> 01:29:00,969
And where did the judge
get the trial documents?
1112
01:29:01,358 --> 01:29:04,422
From our presiding judge. That means..
1113
01:29:04,781 --> 01:29:08,786
Ach, a new dodge by you lawyers.
What's the point?
1114
01:29:09,125 --> 01:29:11,848
Inthe name of the accused Ensslin...
1115
01:29:12,210 --> 01:29:13,223
62nd!
1116
01:29:14,449 --> 01:29:17,504
...I reject the presiding judge
on grouds of bias
1117
01:29:17,866 --> 01:29:20,596
Unbeknownst ti fellow judges...
1118
01:29:20,997 --> 01:29:28,793
...he gave trial documents( including
verbatim evidence) to a third person...
1119
01:29:29,197 --> 01:29:33,779
...that is to Judge Mayer,
of the Coirt Appeal
1120
01:29:34,142 --> 01:29:35,989
That Court of Appeal...
1121
01:29:36,461 --> 01:29:41,049
...will be responsible for any
appeal against the sentence...
1122
01:29:41,407 --> 01:29:43,642
...which you, Your Honour, pass
1123
01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:53,249
The Hihg Court judge gave these
documents to the editor of 'Die Weft'
1124
01:30:20,303 --> 01:30:22,879
I support the plea to reject this court
1125
01:30:23,486 --> 01:30:26,302
The grounds for this plea need clarifying
1126
01:30:26,824 --> 01:30:29,888
If not, the trial will be permanently flawed
1127
01:30:41,654 --> 01:30:44,268
Forgive me phoning you privately
1128
01:30:44,486 --> 01:30:46,248
Your Honour?
1129
01:30:46,593 --> 01:30:50,107
I know your decision today
was not easy, bud....
1130
01:30:50,414 --> 01:30:53,064
Your Honour, I don't really think...
1131
01:30:55,172 --> 01:31:00,182
Your shellenge was my worst moment
in the whole 2 years
1132
01:31:01,805 --> 01:31:03,453
Your Honour, I...
1133
01:31:03,844 --> 01:31:08,572
It makes a difference if a challenge
comes from your side of the defence
1134
01:31:09,940 --> 01:31:15,798
But from the accused's point of view,
any appeal is now futile
1135
01:31:16,134 --> 01:31:19,453
2 members it the High Court
have collaborated...
1136
01:31:19,944 --> 01:31:22,001
...to secure an appeal-proof verdict
1137
01:31:22,174 --> 01:31:25,389
The accused don't care.
Only the lawyers
1138
01:31:25,803 --> 01:31:29,076
That's hard to imagine in their position
1139
01:31:29,502 --> 01:31:33,439
I know for certain that the accused
couldn't care less
1140
01:31:33,802 --> 01:31:40,225
The warders told me this document thing
doesn't interest them
1141
01:31:40,607 --> 01:31:44,195
One even said: '' A new dodge
by you lawyers''
1142
01:31:44,568 --> 01:31:46,924
Imagine the terrible strain I'm under
1143
01:31:47,260 --> 01:31:49,299
I'm finished if I don't strick it out
1144
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:09,001
I warn that if you show
disrespect fot the court...
1145
01:32:09,372 --> 01:32:11,839
..,you will be barred from procceedings
1146
01:32:12,469 --> 01:32:14,557
The court ir now in session
1147
01:32:14,904 --> 01:32:16,905
Baader rejects the presiding judge...
1148
01:32:17,616 --> 01:32:18,774
63rd!
1149
01:32:19,606 --> 01:32:24,768
...on the grounds that he coutacted
a defence lawyer outsude this court
1150
01:32:25,178 --> 01:32:28,501
During their conversation, he said...
1151
01:32:28,971 --> 01:32:32,269
...it makes a difference whether
a plea of rejection...
1152
01:32:32,712 --> 01:32:36,021
..comes from this side
of the defence ot that
1153
01:32:37,926 --> 01:32:42,289
The presiding judge is guilty
of bias once again
1154
01:32:49,168 --> 01:32:52,054
The court will reconvene at 10 a.m.
1155
01:32:52,547 --> 01:32:55,209
A decision will be announced then
1156
01:33:28,645 --> 01:33:31,127
The plea of rejection is sustained
1157
01:33:31,622 --> 01:33:36,144
The court will retire to reconsider
the course of the trial
1158
01:33:48,871 --> 01:33:50,819
The trial will proceed
1159
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,009
You wish to make a submission
1160
01:33:53,370 --> 01:33:59,019
I wish to call rhe Interior Minister
to explain...
1161
01:34:03,231 --> 01:34:06,865
...and between the accused
and defence counsel..
1162
01:34:08,498 --> 01:34:12,072
...have been illicitly recorded...
1163
01:34:12,386 --> 01:34:15,599
...and made available to security forces
1164
01:34:16,106 --> 01:34:18,519
In his attempt to attract publicity...
1165
01:34:18,928 --> 01:34:21,667
...counsel is confusing a plea
to hear evidence...
1166
01:34:22,049 --> 01:34:25,460
with a plea to instritute investigations
1167
01:34:25,867 --> 01:34:29,940
The accusations are inventions.
Calling this witness is not justified
1168
01:34:31,691 --> 01:34:35,458
I beg you to avoid pointed
and defamatory remarks
1169
01:34:35,882 --> 01:34:38,549
It is alleged that bugging devices...
1170
01:34:39,011 --> 01:34:41,133
...were employed to spy on the accused
1171
01:34:41,472 --> 01:34:43,940
Prosecution may surely use such terms
1172
01:34:45,502 --> 01:34:48,138
The court will look the matter
1173
01:34:49,531 --> 01:34:54,156
I wish to clarify that in Stammheim...
1174
01:34:54,882 --> 01:34:58,457
...in 2 cases of emergency...
1175
01:34:58,907 --> 01:35:02,218
...warranted by Clause 3
of the Penal Code...
1176
01:35:02,831 --> 01:35:05,133
...we listened to conversations...
1177
01:35:05,559 --> 01:35:08,849
...between defence counsel
and the Baader-Meinhof gong
1178
01:35:11,170 --> 01:35:15,432
The grounds for the decision,
tajen jointly...
1179
01:35:17,065 --> 01:35:22,824
...to listen in to Baader-Meinhof
leaders and their lawyers...
1180
01:35:24,367 --> 01:35:27,465
...was to avert a concrete danger...
1181
01:35:27,858 --> 01:35:32,798
...which could not otherwise
have been averted...
1182
01:35:33,194 --> 01:35:36,837
...to the lives of innocent
1183
01:35:37,359 --> 01:35:42,105
The prosecution has the nerve
to talk of propaganda ruses
1184
01:35:42,488 --> 01:35:46,149
What is happening is this trial
can only be described...
1185
01:35:46,511 --> 01:35:50,650
...as the systematic destruction
of constitutional guarantees
1186
01:35:51,074 --> 01:35:54,113
This is of vital importance to the nation
1187
01:35:55,556 --> 01:36:00,242
The case must be adjoutned until
the bugging has been explainded
1188
01:36:02,082 --> 01:36:04,274
I support the submission
1189
01:36:04,686 --> 01:36:09,826
If a room provided for the defence
is bugged, counse cannot use it
1190
01:36:12,651 --> 01:36:14,278
Both the Justice Minister...
1191
01:36:14,676 --> 01:36:16,494
...and Interior Minister...
1192
01:36:16,894 --> 01:36:20,844
...said they would do the same again
in a similar situation
1193
01:36:22,033 --> 01:36:25,861
The court must say how it will
prevent further bugging
1194
01:36:26,242 --> 01:36:28,639
It must adjourn until such time
1195
01:36:29,078 --> 01:36:32,844
None of the prosecuting counsel
knew of these actions
1196
01:36:33,913 --> 01:36:36,572
A statement will be made when we have...
1197
01:36:36,902 --> 01:36:38,925
...full knowledge of the facts
1198
01:36:39,170 --> 01:36:41,143
The trial will proceed with...
1199
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:43,167
I withdraw in protest
1200
01:36:43,515 --> 01:36:44,761
As you wish
1201
01:36:45,182 --> 01:36:49,147
Our continued presence would
merely legitimatr this moress
1202
01:36:49,545 --> 01:36:51,519
There is a strong suspicion...
1203
01:36:51,911 --> 01:36:56,200
...that this trial and this prison
are run by a criminal alliance
1204
01:36:56,751 --> 01:37:01,815
I too am unable to continue.
I beg the court to respect my decision
1205
01:37:27,068 --> 01:37:30,039
- You wish to speak?
- A submission
1206
01:37:31,962 --> 01:37:37,695
I submit that Brandt and Schmidt
be called, as heads of government
1207
01:37:38,069 --> 01:37:42,644
They can testify that since 1972 the
Red Army Faction has been persecuted...
1208
01:37:42,974 --> 01:37:46,211
...inan illegal and unconstitutional manner
1209
01:37:57,592 --> 01:37:59,111
all right, out with it!
1210
01:38:00,254 --> 01:38:02,889
We wish to call the Interior Minister...
1211
01:38:03,288 --> 01:38:07,086
...to slarify whethe the accused's
cells were bugged
1212
01:38:07,454 --> 01:38:10,814
We also call the Chancellot's office...
1213
01:38:11,235 --> 01:38:14,205
...to testify that bugging was carried oud...
1214
01:38:14,490 --> 01:38:18,617
...by the Intelligence Servise on the
7th floor of Stammhein prison...
1215
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:24,705
...and that they had continued
uncontrolled access to this area
1216
01:38:26,191 --> 01:38:30,779
At the outset of the trial, we said
our conversations were bugged
1217
01:38:31,158 --> 01:38:33,237
The prosecution denied it...
1218
01:38:33,610 --> 01:38:36,939
...hypocritically, and with a
great show of indignation
1219
01:38:37,359 --> 01:38:40,209
But it's absurd to
think they did not know
1220
01:38:40,959 --> 01:38:43,788
After Ulrike's murder, the prossecution...
1221
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:48,021
The prosecution also innocent
until proved guilty
1222
01:38:50,011 --> 01:38:52,899
- I didn't specify a person
- You said murder
1223
01:38:53,263 --> 01:38:59,059
Behind a murder is a murderer.
Otherwise it is merely a dreath
1224
01:39:00,224 --> 01:39:04,678
After Ulrike's death, the prosecution
spoke of tension between prisoners
1225
01:39:05,073 --> 01:39:07,913
How did they know, if not by bugging?
1226
01:39:10,821 --> 01:39:14,651
We were ittlerly ignorant of
this whole bugging affair
1227
01:39:16,964 --> 01:39:21,968
I wish to state the aims of the
hunger strike we begin togay
1228
01:39:22,303 --> 01:39:25,634
No spealking of prison conditions
during the trial
1229
01:39:27,329 --> 01:39:32,378
It is obvious that political statements
are now superfluous
1230
01:39:38,163 --> 01:39:41,598
Accused and defence counsel
did not attent court again
1231
01:39:41,900 --> 01:39:45,877
On April 28th, 1977, the
192th day of the trial...
1232
01:39:46,281 --> 01:39:51,610
...Baader, Ensslin and Raspe were
sentenced to life imprisonment
1233
01:39:52,988 --> 01:39:56,663
The Red Army Faction kidnapped
Hans Martin Schleyer...
1234
01:39:57,024 --> 01:39:59,338
...to force the prisoners's release
1235
01:39:59,841 --> 01:40:02,029
The government refused any exchange
1236
01:40:02,686 --> 01:40:08,721
Hijacking a Lufthansa jet ended with
the storming of the plane in Magadishu
1237
01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:14,880
The next day, Baader, Ensslin and Raspe
were found dead in their cells
1238
01:40:15,273 --> 01:40:18,963
The state prosecutor's verdict was suicide
1239
01:40:23,509 --> 01:40:27,142
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