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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:52,200 We've had to cope with radical measures for two years now. 2 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,760 They have limited our freedom drastically. 3 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,920 We've been going from lockdown to lockdown. 4 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,480 It's supposedly necessary to protect public heath... 5 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,920 against an extremely dangerous virus, but is this actually true? 6 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,080 Is coronavirus really as dangerous as it is made out to be? 7 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,760 Are the measures really effective? 8 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:23,440 Is vaccinating the entire population wise or are there also risks involved? 9 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,000 If the measures don't contribute to public health... 10 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,440 why are they being taken anyway? 11 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,240 The side effects are very rare and it's very effective. 12 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,640 The Netherlands is going into lockdown. 13 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:09,720 The current mass vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 is a colossal mistake. 14 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,240 If I disclose what I know, it will cost me everything. 15 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:20,720 I won't be able to continue my research, I'll get no more grants. I'll be finished. 16 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:26,320 I can't look myself in the mirror if I don't come forward with what I know. 17 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,160 I can't live with that. 18 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,480 They say: 'Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.' 19 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,760 In my case that's definitely true... 20 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,960 because a few years ago I had no plans to go into politics. 21 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:26,400 But I was so concerned about the developments taking place around me... 22 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,000 that I felt I had to personally take action. 23 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:38,280 The House of Representatives is the place to be in Dutch politics. 24 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:47,440 The last few years, I've seen that so many lies are being told... 25 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,800 that great injustice is being done, and people are being affected deeply. 26 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,880 They come up to me with tears in their eyes. 27 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,480 Fundamental rights are being illegally curbed, people robbed of their freedom. 28 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,160 People are losing everything they worked for. 29 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,200 They are uncertain about their future. 30 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:18,320 That's what motivates me the most to continue that battle every day again. 31 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,920 On 1 July 2021, the then Minister of Health told me... 32 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,320 that raising doubts about vaccinations as a way out of the crisis... 33 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,640 would be a danger to public health. That's what he literally said. 34 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,360 While my opinion that a vaccine would never get us out of the crisis... 35 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,400 was not only my opinion, but also that of many professors... 36 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,800 scientists and other experts. 37 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,600 People who are much more qualified than the Minister of Health... 38 00:04:53,720 --> 00:05:00,720 and are specialised in relevant fields, like virology or immunology. 39 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:06,080 It's a disgrace to call the opinions prevalent among so many experts... 40 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:12,640 a danger to public health. An apology would therefore be in order. 41 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:19,160 In the House of Representatives I often feel like a voice in the wilderness. 42 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,400 Because during debates about, for example, the coronavirus policy... 43 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:30,280 it seems like I'm the only one asking the questions most Dutch people have. 44 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,320 The other Members of Parliament ignore these questions. 45 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,600 All they talk about is the tone and the form. 46 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,520 They think certain things shouldn't be said, or said differently. 47 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,680 For the first time since WWII we have a government... 48 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,200 that is drafting legislation that creates a state of apartheid. 49 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,800 One that excludes people from society. 50 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:01,360 And it's vital not to give in to tyranny. 51 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,680 And we won't give in to tyranny. 52 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:11,720 If regulations are created that discriminate against entire population groups... 53 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:15,840 I urge the population not to obey. 54 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Obeying them is a greater crime than disobeying them. 55 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,560 The atrocities that were inflicted on the Jews during WWII... 56 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,040 were committed by people that were obedient, not disobedient. 57 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,760 Thank you. Mr van Meijeren, as chair I would like to say something. 58 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,360 You use big words and compare things to WWII again. 59 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:43,120 I must say that I find that inappropriate. My other colleagues have something... 60 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,800 What eventually triggered me... 61 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:54,760 to expose the truth to the public about the lies that were being told... 62 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:01,760 was when I noticed that opinions not shared by the government... 63 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,760 were being censored on a large scale. 64 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,840 Before every debate about coronavirus we would receive an extensive letter. 65 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:17,760 A 20- to 40-page letter with appendices referring to kinds of expert reports. 66 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:23,360 That's all that most parliamentarians have to work with. 67 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,600 It's important to realise that the OMT, the Outbreak Management Team... 68 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,480 is part of the RIVM, which falls under the purview of the Ministry of Health. 69 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,480 So under no circumstance is there real impartiality. 70 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,360 And furthermore, there are countless experts... 71 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,320 doctors, virologists, immunologists, scientists... 72 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:54,040 and even Nobel Prize winners, nationally and internationally... 73 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,240 that have totally different opinions based on solid arguments. 74 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,320 Respected people who know what they are talking about. 75 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:10,880 Those opinions are not allowed to be heard in the House or in the media. 76 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,880 Those voices get demonised, ridiculed and censored. 77 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,640 In my opinion, it is of the utmost importance... 78 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:27,320 to have a balanced debate where all the different opinions are heard. 79 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,600 That's the foundation of a democracy. 80 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Conflicting opinions are needed to reveal the truth. 81 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:44,640 That's why I've decided to ask questions based on the input and information... 82 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,360 that I received from all those other experts. 83 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:55,120 A whole set of parliamentary questions based on that information. 84 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:03,120 To expose the controversies and show that there are other opinions. 85 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:09,160 It frustrates me that these questions remain unanswered. 86 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:15,200 We have appealed to the Ministry to get those answers... 87 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,000 but we're being completely ignored. 88 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:26,680 The fundamental right to information becomes meaningless this way. 89 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:33,240 Because I can't do my job properly if I don't get answers to questions. 90 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,200 My most important job is monitoring the government. 91 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:42,120 The members of government have to be able to be held accountable. 92 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,600 And if this does not happen, it leads to a situation... 93 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,320 where a small group of people have a great deal of power... 94 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,960 but aren't held accountable. That's a very dangerous combination. 95 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:04,600 Last October I asked 60 parliamentary questions about the coronavirus policy. 96 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,760 The questions were about the scientific foundation... 97 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,000 the experimental nature of the vaccines... 98 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,880 and the long-term side effects that have not been studied. 99 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,600 But also about the use of the QR code... 100 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,480 and the social disruption and polarisation that it has caused. 101 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,160 As the Ministry has refused for months to answer my questions... 102 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:35,200 I started my own quest in which I've spoken to many experts. 103 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,240 Such as Geert vanden Bossche, who has a PhD in virology. 104 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,440 He has done scientific research for many years for numerous companies... 105 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:48,320 into the effects of vaccines. 106 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,120 I've gained this experience with real events... 107 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,800 during the Ebola epidemic a few years ago in West Africa. 108 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,040 This felt like a calling to me... 109 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:10,720 because this was such an important phenomenon... 110 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:18,440 that required expertise in virology, immunology and vaccinology. 111 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:26,000 When it became clear they wanted to vaccinate people on a huge scale... 112 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,120 I immediately started analysing the situation. 113 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,280 I tried several times to discuss this with experts. 114 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,240 I also talked to endowed Professor Theo Schetters. 115 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,800 He has a PhD in medicine and is an expert on vaccination development. 116 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,080 What is his opinion on the policy? 117 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:55,200 I was surprised and astonished when in March of last year.... 118 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:02,600 Minister de Jonge said that vaccinations were the only way out of the crisis. 119 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:09,000 That was strange because with a crisis I would expect to have a meeting... 120 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:14,160 to discuss how to deal with the crisis and what the various options are. 121 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,560 That discussion never took place. And they only looked at vaccines. 122 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:26,440 But a sickness comes with being sick. That means it's too late to vaccinate. 123 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:32,680 You would also expect that they would look at ways to treat patients... 124 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:38,320 or to prevent the sickness after they are infected with coronavirus. 125 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,440 Carla Peeters has a PhD in immunology. 126 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:46,960 She worked for years for the RIVM battling infectious diseases. 127 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,680 How does she look at the vaccination policy and the role of the RIVM? 128 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,960 It's striking that politics has taken over the role of medical science. 129 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,520 That endangers public health. 130 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:09,120 If politics takes over their role, then what is the purpose of medical science? 131 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,880 That's hard. It's also reflected in the media. 132 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:19,880 The media push certain studies to the forefront... 133 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,960 which makes you wonder: Why are these in the media now? 134 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,320 That's also striking. I'm really concerned about that. 135 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,640 The researchers have the best intentions... 136 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:38,480 but it raises questions about impartiality and the transparency of matters... 137 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:44,760 when you have a different opinion and are in a position of dependency. 138 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,480 There are two types of vaccines being used in the Netherlands. 139 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,320 The mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna... 140 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,120 and the vector vaccines made by AstraZeneca and Janssen. 141 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,920 Can you tell me what kind of vaccines they are... 142 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,680 and how they're different from the traditional vaccines? 143 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,280 Traditional vaccines make use of the protein itself... 144 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,320 that you want to have an immune response to. 145 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,680 There are various ways to do this. You can grow lots of the virus... 146 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,880 containing that protein and deactivate it, so the virus can't multiply. 147 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,560 You can use that in a vaccine and inject it to create an antibody response. 148 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:36,040 The genetic vaccines utilise the code for the protein. 149 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:41,160 And then your body itself has to produce that protein. 150 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,880 And that's an option that you should question. 151 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:53,040 The cell synthesises the protein, but for how long is the question. 152 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Which particular cells do this? 153 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,320 And how long does a synthesised protein stay in the body? 154 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,280 This is the biggest problem that's been insufficiently researched... 155 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,600 during the various tests that have taken place. 156 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,440 It wasn't until after the approval that we were able to determine... 157 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:19,480 which cells in which organs can synthesise this protein. 158 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:25,360 And for how long this is expressed, as we call it, in the body. 159 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:31,200 And in which organs this is possible, for example. 160 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,560 And this is problematic from a purely vaccinological perspective... 161 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,200 because they actually want to prevent... 162 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:47,200 showing the protein for a long period to the immune system. 163 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:54,440 Exposing the immune system for a long time to a protein is a bad idea. 164 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,840 To what degree have these vaccines gone through the tests and trials... 165 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,800 that apply to the other vaccines in the government vaccination programme? 166 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:11,120 These are different vaccines, so you would expect other studies. 167 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,920 The trial runs that have taken place were much shorter than usual. 168 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,000 Animal studies were conducted... 169 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,400 but some of them took place later or didn't take place at all. 170 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,840 For example, when I asked where the S protein goes when injected: 171 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,320 Does it stay in the arm or does it go to the organs? 172 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:39,320 An experiment Pfizer had to do at the request of Japan showed... 173 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,840 that it can end up in the organs. This wasn't made public. 174 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,960 The public was told that it stays in the arm and dissolves rapidly. 175 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,880 It seems that the spike protein was an unfortunate choice. 176 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,720 The spike protein turned out to be a biotoxin. 177 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,400 That means when you have active spike proteins... 178 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,560 it activate all kinds of unwanted processes in your own body. 179 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Especially when the spike protein is produced in your body... 180 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,880 it's not inactive, it's biologically active. 181 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,080 The possible consequences are numerous. 182 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,040 When spike proteins are produced in large numbers in a cell.... 183 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:29,320 it's been proven that it interferes with genetic processes in the cell's nucleus. 184 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:36,600 They said that it could interfere with DNA repair mechanisms. 185 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:44,600 That's problematic, as DNA repair is used to prevent mistakes in your DNA. 186 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,000 That could cause tumour cells, for example. 187 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:53,400 This is a dangerous possibility that hasn't been sufficiently researched. 188 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,160 They've worked with RNA gene therapy in the past... 189 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,000 but never on this scale and it has never been put on the market so fast. 190 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:08,720 Pfizer is now being asked questions by the medical community and scientists. 191 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:15,400 It turns out that during the first 90 days of the trial, people died... 192 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:21,880 and suffered more severe side effects than was made public. 193 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,480 We're dealing with a new vaccine that was developed in a short time... 194 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,800 and released on the market only conditionally. 195 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:38,600 It was also made with a new technology that could cause great complications. 196 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Are there any serious side effects or is it really not that bad? 197 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:51,240 With the genetic vaccines especially, we're seeing a number of side effects... 198 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:56,160 that occur at an alarming rate... 199 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,480 like myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle. 200 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:09,560 But also side effects, like the onset of thrombosis in various organs. 201 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:15,600 This can happen in various organs, because we can't control... 202 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,560 in which tissue these proteins are expressed. 203 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,400 We can't control how long these proteins are expressed. 204 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:32,000 The location and duration are unknown factors. 205 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:39,600 It's also very unpredictable in whom these proteins are expressed. 206 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,200 It's clear that some people don't have any side effects at all... 207 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,280 and for some people they can even have fatal consequences. 208 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,920 And that we now know with Moderna, that people under the age of 40... 209 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,240 have a bigger chance of getting myocarditis than COVID-19. 210 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:04,320 We know that some countries have stopped using Moderna for that age group. 211 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,080 But in the Netherlands nothing has been changed yet. 212 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:14,440 They even had campaigns called: Dancing with Janssen. 213 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:21,600 It's fun here. It feels like an event. A warming-up for the summer festivals. 214 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:28,520 There was a case where a young man died after an mRNA vaccination. 215 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:34,880 The autopsy showed that he had damaged muscle cells... 216 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,360 without an inflammation infiltrate. 217 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,560 That indicates that the muscle cell broke down by itself. 218 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,960 And not because there had been an inflammation around it. 219 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,480 We're getting these kinds of signs that make you realise: 220 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,720 It's dangerous and the consequences are unpredictable. 221 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:04,680 And in the real world we're getting indications that it's not all right. 222 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Official figures show that 85% of adults have been fully vaccinated by now. 223 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,440 The reality is totally different than what was initially presented to us. 224 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,560 How do you explain that? -That already raises questions for me. 225 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,080 How big is the crisis actually in terms of the virus? 226 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:36,920 If only 98.5% of the population won't end up in hospital when infected... 227 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:44,320 and only 0.3% ends up in intensive care, you have to wonder... 228 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,400 whether we even have an epidemic crisis. 229 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,640 The average age of people who die due to coronavirus... 230 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,120 is almost 80 for men and 84 for women. 231 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,440 That's higher than the average life expectancy in the Netherlands. 232 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,560 Is there even reason for concern? -No, there isn't at all, in my opinion. 233 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,520 I mentioned this in an interview, and got my wrist slapped... 234 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,440 that I don't see the necessity for vaccinations... 235 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,520 because you have to keep focused on where the problem is. 236 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:27,840 The problem lies with people over 60 with a high BMI and the elderly. 237 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,080 Most people are much younger than sixty. 238 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:38,680 The government policy is focused on vaccinating as many people as possible. 239 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,760 Including healthy people and even healthy children. 240 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,080 What are your thoughts? -With every medical procedure... 241 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:55,120 you have to weigh the costs against the benefits of the treatment. 242 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:01,480 There are no benefits for healthy people because they are healthy to begin with. 243 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:08,240 Then only the costs remain and that's the risk of side effects. 244 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,880 That balance quickly moves in the wrong direction. 245 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,200 When you look at the age group from five years old to twenty... 246 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:22,440 no one in that group has died due to coronavirus since the crisis began. 247 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,800 So for that group there aren't any benefits at all. 248 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,280 The opinions in this class are mixed. Not everyone wants to get a shot. 249 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,600 NOS Stories investigated this. 250 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,120 They asked a few thousand youngsters if they wanted to be vaccinated. 251 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,280 74% answered yes. 13% answered no. 252 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,640 And 13% aren't sure. 253 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:54,560 There may only be a one in 50,000 chance of getting myocarditis... 254 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,520 but since there are no benefits, that risk is unacceptable. 255 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,960 And people must not underestimate that, however small the odds may seem. 256 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,120 That's two in every 100,000 and 20 in every million people. 257 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,680 With two million children that means we're giving myocarditis to 40 children. 258 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,480 Not to mention the possible residual damage. 259 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,960 We have no idea of its effects when the children are 50 or 60. 260 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,400 How will it affect their heart? 261 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:39,040 Children are born with a large amount of natural antibodies. 262 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:45,720 That's why children are fully protected against the coronavirus. 263 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,240 They can get sick, but only very, very rarely seriously sick. 264 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:57,120 You could say the children get sick, even if it's only a little sick... 265 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,400 but let's vaccinate them anyway because that can do no harm. 266 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:08,440 It can do harm, because the antibodies the child will get from the vaccination... 267 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,400 will compete with the innate antibodies. 268 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:21,040 So you're going to make children trade in their innate antibodies... 269 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,280 that are very effective and can handle every variant... 270 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,720 for inferior vaccinal antibodies. 271 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,160 In other words, we can expect that when we vaccinate the children... 272 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,160 they won't just lose their protection against SARS-CoV-2... 273 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:49,440 but moreover, they will be more prone to other viral infections. 274 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:56,720 I want to use this opportunity to mention pregnant people. 275 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,800 People are quick to say: 'Don't worry, it's all safe.' 276 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,600 Firstly, we started vaccinating in the Netherlands on 6 January. 277 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:12,560 The first vaccinated women have probably given birth around this time. 278 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,880 We currently have no idea how many pregnancies have been aborted. 279 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,280 That hasn't been looked into yet. 280 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:28,400 Compare that to saying to a woman: 'You shouldn't drink a glass of wine.' 281 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,440 But on the other hand, it's fine to give them a vaccination... 282 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,920 that has unknown side effects and is only conditionally approved. 283 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,400 I think it's a strange stance to take regarding pregnant women. 284 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,360 My advice to pregnant women is: Take care of yourself. 285 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,440 Take care of your baby. But don't get vaccinated. 286 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,760 Can I get vaccinated if I'm pregnant? -Certainly. 287 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,560 Getting vaccinated has no effect on your pregnancy. 288 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,280 To what extent does vaccinating healthy people and children... 289 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,880 prevent the virus from spreading? 290 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:18,840 Tests have been done in which they compared breakthrough infections... 291 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,640 that's when a vaccinated person gets coronavirus anyway. 292 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:29,680 They actually adjusted the PCR test to measure how much virus it contained. 293 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,400 The amount of virus shed by vaccinated people who got sick... 294 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,400 and by unvaccinated sick people was the same. 295 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,360 That's exactly the reason why the whole 2G situation was put on ice. 296 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:50,080 It's useless, because the vaccines no longer reduce the transmission. 297 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,200 The effectiveness of the vaccines is lower than expected. 298 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,600 That was revealed in the first scientific studies. 299 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,640 That's partially due to the breakthrough infections. 300 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,600 We also know that it's not feasible to pursue a zero-COVID policy... 301 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,720 because COVID viruses mutate rapidly. 302 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,560 It's an illusion to think that it can be eradicated. 303 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:21,760 Didn't they know 18 months ago that coronaviruses keep mutating? 304 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,760 Yes, that was known. 305 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,360 They are well aware that these vaccines aren't capable... 306 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:37,160 aren't capable at all of limiting the transmission of the virus. 307 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:45,280 This goes completely against the initial expectations. 308 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,040 At first, they had expectations... 309 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,160 that the vaccines would limit the transmission of the virus. 310 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,240 This assumption is totally wrong. 311 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,880 When you choose to be vaccinated, you protect yourself and each other. 312 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,680 And when we look around, we see the other reasons to do it. 313 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,200 The vaccines being used were developed based on the original Wuhan variant. 314 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:25,560 And now they want everyone to get a booster shot against Omicron. 315 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,600 But the booster injection is exactly the same as the first two shots. 316 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,760 How useful is it to make people get a booster shot... 317 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,440 against a new variant, like the Omicron variant? 318 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,400 First of all, you have to prove that Omicron is a problem. 319 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,000 What's the deal with the virulence? 320 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,160 In most cases, people get a runny nose and that's it. 321 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:57,960 But then in the Netherlands we get a press conference where they say: 322 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,920 'We don't know if this will be severe, but as a precaution... 323 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,640 we're going to enforce the heaviest lockdown so far.' 324 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,320 As of tomorrow, the Netherlands is going into lockdown again. 325 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,600 The Netherlands will lock down again. 326 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:24,160 This is inevitable due to the fifth wave with the Omicron variant. 327 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,600 I think it's a strange strategy. 328 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,560 And I think it's strange that after two vaccinations... 329 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,480 the antibodies decrease much faster than after natural immunity... 330 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,560 and that people get new infections. 331 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,240 That means something happens to the immune system. 332 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Because people aged under forty that have received two vaccinations... 333 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,840 it turns out that the Omicron variant appears more frequently. 334 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,440 The so-called breakthrough infection. I find that striking... 335 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,920 because they're young and healthy with a good immune system. 336 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,160 How can a new variant come about in that group? 337 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:21,480 Based on the current scientific facts booster vaccinations are irresponsible. 338 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,680 Especially for the elderly. They have received a third booster. 339 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,360 But the fatality rate remains the same as last year. 340 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,600 That makes me wonder about the use of these vaccinations. 341 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,640 And we've seen that people have become more vulnerable. 342 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,360 I'm really concerned about this. 343 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,520 We need to stop and evaluate and discontinue the booster shots. 344 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:54,320 It's strange to develop a vaccine that stops working after six months... 345 00:31:54,440 --> 00:32:00,160 and then to decide it would be effective to give people more of the same. 346 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,080 I would say: No, that won't be effective. 347 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,760 The more boosters you give, the more specific the immune response becomes. 348 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,480 It becomes even more specific to the Wuhan strain. 349 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,640 And therefore less effective against variations of that strain. 350 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,880 By vaccinating the entire population... 351 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:33,200 we're going to take the innate immunity that healthy people possess... 352 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:41,280 and partially supress it in exchange for a specific immunity... 353 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:47,320 where there is an increasing resistance to the vaccinal antibodies. 354 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,600 This has disadvantages for individual and public health. 355 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,280 Firstly, the vaccinated people are less well protected. 356 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:07,000 And considering that innate immunity is an important part of group immunity... 357 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,240 and is able to eradicate the virus, it will be completely lost to us... 358 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:19,000 if we substitute innate antibodies with vaccinal antibodies. 359 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,720 That's why it's my recommendation not to vaccinate... 360 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:31,360 healthy people with an innate immunity that can be trained. 361 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,440 And especially not children, because their innate antibodies... 362 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,360 will be severely suppressed by the vaccinal antibodies. 363 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:47,680 Many people wonder: It was developed so fast, can it be right? 364 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,520 We explain to them that it's because so much effort was put into it. 365 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,120 No corners were cut and it meets all the safety requirements. 366 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,080 And young and healthy people wonder why they should get a vaccination. 367 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,920 We tell them: You don't take it just for yourself, but for each other. 368 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,160 That's how we try to eliminate questions and doubts. 369 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,600 How do you explain the government's adamant claim... 370 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:22,000 that the vaccination is safe without offering any nuance in this? 371 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,160 I don't get that. And I don't understand... 372 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,200 that the information that is known about VAERS from EudraVigilance... 373 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,320 when compared with other vaccines, we see there are far more side effects... 374 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,760 and far more fatalities than for the vaccines brought to market earlier. 375 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,720 While other vaccines with 53 fatalities were taken off the market. 376 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,800 I don't understand why it's being implemented like this. 377 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,840 We know that 350 athletes have had to quit their profession... 378 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,200 have been side-lined temporarily and a few have even died. 379 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,840 The athletes are exploring a possible link with the vaccination. 380 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,640 It's exceptionally strange that immune systems of top athletes... 381 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:20,440 aren't able to deal with inflammations, like pericarditis and myocarditis. 382 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,320 That means the immune system can no longer keep the body in balance. 383 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,160 Something is happening. And that's what concerns me. 384 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,040 The vaccines might be weakening the immune system. 385 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:39,880 To wonder why that is happening is pure speculation, because I don't know. 386 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,440 Those vaccines contain something that makes these cases unusual. 387 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:22,720 Since August, Statistics Netherlands has been reporting excess deaths. 388 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,440 Last week 1,200 more people died than they had expected. 389 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,600 You might think it's due to coronavirus, but it's not. 390 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:36,880 Only 350 people died of coronavirus. 391 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,400 That leaves almost 900 people who died of something else. 392 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,680 We don't know why, because we're not getting the data we need to find out. 393 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:55,680 For example, recently Ernst Kuipers was asked during a House committee: 394 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:01,160 'Have the people that are currently in the IC units been vaccinated or not?' 395 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,680 Mr Kuipers responded: 'Those figures won't tell you anything.' 396 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,560 I can give you the figures per region or per hospital, but it means nothing. 397 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,240 I would love to get the figures per hospital. 398 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,160 That would require much effort and in the end it would be useless. 399 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,280 Firstly, I will decide if the figures are useless to me or not. 400 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,920 And with all due respect, I think I can do more with the figures than Mr Kuipers. 401 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:37,160 I think there should be more transparency about the data. 402 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,600 Look, I'm not asking for myself. I'm asking this for the Dutch people... 403 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,000 who have become sick due to coronavirus... 404 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,880 or are suffering from the negative side effects caused by the treatment. 405 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:59,040 I think that information is so important that it shouldn't be waved away with: 406 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,680 'Those figures are no use to you.' 407 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,040 Independent experts with a different opinion than those... 408 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:13,920 working for the government are opposed, censored or even silenced. 409 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,080 While there are so many valid questions regarding the coronavirus policy. 410 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,280 Is there even room for a genuine scientific debate? 411 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:31,000 Since the Dutch coronavirus crisis started scientific debates have been blocked. 412 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:37,080 I now get criticism from fact checkers instead of from fellow scientists. 413 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:45,160 Fact checkers are used nowadays and they lack any scientific knowledge. 414 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,120 We have to deal with them, while we would prefer to hear... 415 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,040 from our colleagues. Tell me that I'm wrong. 416 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,120 Explain the mistake in my reasoning, but that's not what's happening. 417 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,960 I always say: Don't leave any stone unturned. 418 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:09,760 If I don't understand a question, I will not rest until I find the answer. 419 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:17,680 With such a complex phenomenon you can't leave anything unanswered. 420 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,960 I can say with confidence that I'm not afraid to have a debate with any expert. 421 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:29,720 But I can tell you this, all those experts are afraid to have a debate with me. 422 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,040 Because they misunderstood the pandemic. 423 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,920 As a result, the entire vaccination policy from start to finish... 424 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,120 has been entirely wrong from start to finish. 425 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,960 We have gained nothing since its start. 426 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,080 Absolutely nothing. We've only made the situation worse. 427 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,560 Luckily Omicron is resistant, but it's very infectious. 428 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,360 With our innate immunity we can deal with every infectious variant. 429 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,600 We have a chance to get this under control... 430 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:09,520 if we get rid of the current policy and change it radically. 431 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,800 This is purely a reflection of the prevailing panic... 432 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,600 incompetence, ignorance and the stubbornness. 433 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:24,120 The stupidity of not talking to people with a different opinion. 434 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,160 The arrogance of moving forwards despite the ignorance. 435 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,920 And the stubbornness of not admitting that they could've made a mistake. 436 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,560 They are in power at the top and they can't be reached. 437 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:43,560 They dictate what happens and the people have to accept it. 438 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:51,040 That's stands in complete opposition to all the known science. 439 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:58,120 I must be honest and say that I consider this a crime. 440 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:05,880 And this coming from a scientist who doesn't like to express himself this way. 441 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,720 I've noticed that people are saying: 442 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,720 'If I disclose what I know, it will cost me my career. 443 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,960 I can forget about my research. I won't get grants. My career will be over.' 444 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,720 That's sad, but that's the current atmosphere. 445 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,520 And then comes the question: 'Why did you decide to come forward?' 446 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,560 I didn't choose to do this. Last year, I saw to my amazement... 447 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,680 that Pfizer's mRNA file was up for review at the EMA. 448 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,440 And that it was accepted without a hiccup. 449 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,880 But I realised that this technology is not good, this won't work. 450 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,440 They were taking such a huge risk that I couldn't sleep at night. 451 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,280 Everyone would deal with it differently. 452 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,920 But I decided to step forward and disclose what I know. 453 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,960 That had certain consequences. 454 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,760 I had no idea what those consequences would be. 455 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,200 But your initial question was: What was your motivation? 456 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:52,200 I just felt that I needed to do this. And I did. And now we're here. 457 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,320 I see that the scientists I speak to are visibly distraught by what's happening. 458 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,840 Even in the workplace in hospitals differing opinions are ignored. 459 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,360 I had a discussion with Brian de Lange, an emergency physician. 460 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,880 He wrote an urgent letter to parliament with fellow doctors to ring the alarm. 461 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,840 I asked him about his view on the policy. 462 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:34,680 Firstly, they're not willing to listen to differing opinions or analyses. 463 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:41,360 And in the meantime, various studies have now shown... 464 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:47,640 that certain measures haven't had the effects that were promised. 465 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,640 Things like mass vaccinations, vaccinating children... 466 00:43:52,760 --> 00:44:00,560 mandatory face masks and the curfew have caused demonstrable damage... 467 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:07,160 with only minor or no benefit at all to public health. 468 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,720 A debate about this is not allowed. 469 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,800 And that's probably the worst thing of these last two years. 470 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,400 What stood out in your urgent letter was that you wrote... 471 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:27,400 that measures are being taken that are ineffectual and not based on science. 472 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520 Can you expand on that? 473 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,600 When you take measures as a government... 474 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:39,800 or as the OMT, an advisory body, you need a thorough substantiation. 475 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:47,600 And when you read the OMT's advice the scientific basis is very poor. 476 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:53,120 And they never check afterwards whether the predictions were true or not. 477 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,000 For example, the mandatory face mask. 478 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,840 You can't make a solid case that wearing a face mask leads to... 479 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:06,280 significantly fewer hospital admissions, IC admissions or deaths. 480 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,360 And now there's a debate regarding the QR codes. 481 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,680 It's easy to predict that such a measure won't prevent... 482 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,640 a person with a QR code from infecting someone else. 483 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,880 That's why these measures are ineffective. 484 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,320 The cabinet claims that the hospitals don't have enough capacity... 485 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,080 and might have to enforce Code Black. 486 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,440 It may not be proven beyond a doubt that the measures are effective... 487 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:44,840 but with half the information we have to take all the decisions. 488 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,400 Last week's predictions were that we would have 50 to 70 patients a day. 489 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,720 That means I will have to enforce Code Black in ten days. 490 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,080 It's possible that they had to make decisions based on limited information. 491 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:06,200 You do need to reassess though. This was possible in April or May 2020. 492 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,200 That this didn't happen is careless. 493 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:17,440 The advice that the OMT gave in January 2020... 494 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:24,240 was that they expected coronavirus to have a fatality rate of 2 or 3 percent or more. 495 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,120 This turned out not to be true. It was much lower than that. 496 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:34,560 They assumed that everyone could be affected, which wasn't true either. 497 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,680 It was mainly the elderly. 498 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,120 That's one of the reasons that we wrote the urgent letter. 499 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:48,200 We wrote that we wanted to talk to the Ministry and Minister Kuipers... 500 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,920 but we're being completely ignored. 501 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:57,360 That's baffling and unheard of because you must be able to exchange thoughts. 502 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,760 Medicine isn't black and white. 503 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,320 They're pretending there's one truth, but that's not the case. 504 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,480 You just said that the measures that have been taken are ineffective. 505 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,320 What should the cabinet do instead? 506 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:20,440 It's important to take away the fear that was initially created. 507 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,280 This could've been done in late April. 508 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,320 Most people won't get sick. Jaap van Dissel said this various times. 509 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:35,280 And the expected fatality rate of 2-3% turned out to be only 0.15% 510 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,720 Secondly, which I find incomprehensible is that they didn't examine... 511 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:48,400 how to prevent people who are sick from ending up in the hospital. 512 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:54,080 At first, various studies were done all around the world... 513 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,840 and doctors tried out various drugs. 514 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:04,080 Instead of embracing that idea it was pushed aside. 515 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,000 That it's forbidden and that you can get fined is inconceivable. 516 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:16,120 Thirdly, why have there been so many cutbacks in healthcare the last decade? 517 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,400 There are fewer hospitals now. 518 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,920 There are far fewer IC units, down by 20%. 519 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,560 If this is public knowledge, you should do everything you can... 520 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,960 to raise the capacity, but that didn't happen. 521 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,360 And we can now conclude that if we had raised the capacity... 522 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,320 we wouldn't be in lockdowns anymore. 523 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:48,080 And we wouldn't have reacted so frantically to models... 524 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,680 that have proven to be incorrect time and time again. 525 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,640 When renowned scientists and physicians can explain so clearly... 526 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,080 that the current policy is not in the interest of public health... 527 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,480 then why do so many people still go along with the coronavirus narrative? 528 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:18,120 I asked Mattias Desmet, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University. 529 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:23,320 He is an expert on the mass formation phenomenon and totalitarianism. 530 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:30,720 During the first week of the lockdown in Belgium I published an article called: 531 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,720 'The fear of the virus is more dangerous than the virus itself.' 532 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:41,280 I felt that I had to speak up now or forever hold my peace. 533 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,640 I obtained a Master in Statistics in that period. 534 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:50,680 That trained me to see the issues with figures, statistics, graphs and models. 535 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:57,000 The first months I studied the statistics, like the mortality rate of the virus... 536 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,920 the infection and case fatality rate... 537 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,720 the mathematical models used to predict the course of the pandemic. 538 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:12,640 I studied them and in late May 2020 I came to the conclusion... 539 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:19,720 that most of the statistical estimates regarding the mortality of the virus... 540 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,960 were much too high. They severely overestimated the danger of the virus. 541 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,800 Then I started to look at it from a psychological perspective. 542 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,440 I wondered how an entire population could go along with a story... 543 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:45,680 and be oblivious to the fact that there's reason to doubt the story. 544 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:56,000 In the Netherlands we clearly see numerous inconsistencies.... 545 00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,000 and figures that have clearly been manipulated. 546 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,520 How do you explain that such a large part of the population... 547 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:11,720 keeps having blind faith in information provided by the government... 548 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,160 and isn't open to other opinions... 549 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:22,040 and not willing to listen to the voice of reason? 550 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:29,600 It's remarkable that the experts involved in compiling the figures and models... 551 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:36,000 don't realise themselves that they're using the figures wrong. 552 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:44,040 That made me come up with my theory about mass formation in August 2020. 553 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,200 Mass formation is a phenomenon that occurs under specific conditions. 554 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:55,880 A lack of social cohesion in a society is the most important condition... 555 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,400 for mass formation, which was the case before the coronavirus crisis. 556 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,520 The alienation and isolation rates have been rising a few hundred years. 557 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,000 The second condition is a lack of meaning in life. 558 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:14,800 It's linked to the first. Isolated people will feel that their life has little meaning. 559 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,160 The third condition is a lot of free-floating anxiety. 560 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,240 That is fear that's not linked to anything. 561 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,880 When you're afraid of dogs, you know what you fear. 562 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:31,000 But there's also a fear that is not connected to a specific representation. 563 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,120 People then look for something to connect their anxiety to. 564 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:40,640 Free-floating anxiety mainly occurs when people lack social bonds... 565 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,560 and meaning. People then feel disrupted. 566 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:49,360 They feel a discomfort that makes them feel anxious for unknown reasons. 567 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,880 The first three conditions are the cause for much frustration and aggression. 568 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,400 When at that time a story spreads in mass media... 569 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:03,080 that mentions an object of fear and a strategy to deal with it... 570 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:08,520 all that free-floating anxiety connects itself to that object of fear. 571 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,320 You can see how a society permeated with discontent and anxiety... 572 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,480 has the tendency to connect that anxiety to that object... 573 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,360 and to go along with the strategy that is handed to them. 574 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,680 And it leads to something else, the core of the issue. 575 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,000 When many people connect their anxiety to the same object... 576 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,360 it creates a new social cohesion and a new meaning to life. 577 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,080 That's the reason why people choose to go along with the narrative. 578 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,920 Even when it's radically absurd on certain points. 579 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,520 Mass formation is as old as history itself. 580 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,720 Like the crusades that were accompanied by mass formation. 581 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:58,560 The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre in France, and the French Revolution. 582 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,320 In the 19th century mass formations became increasingly larger. 583 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,400 They led to a new government form: totalitarianism. 584 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:14,960 How do you explain that all corners of society... 585 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:21,160 from science to education and also the mass media... 586 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:28,000 follow and support this policy? And the hostile reactions... 587 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:33,440 to everyone who has the audacity to voice a different opinion? 588 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:39,560 That everyone goes along with it is the phenomenon of mass formation. 589 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,640 In a certain way the masses have an unlikely appeal. 590 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,840 Canetti describes beautifully in his book called 'Crowds and Power'... 591 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,160 how even on a physical plane the masses have a strange appeal. 592 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,880 Canetti describes that when a group of people gather in a city... 593 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,000 that group in a strange way attracts other people. 594 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,000 And how that group becomes a mass. 595 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,880 A phenomenon that occurs with starlings. 596 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:17,720 In the evening, starlings are drawn to each other from everywhere... 597 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,640 and start to move in perfect harmony. 598 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:26,760 Mass formation is considered a similar phenomenon. 599 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,880 It also happens in football stadiums when a temporary mass forms... 600 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,440 that chants and sings together. 601 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,720 In a strange way everyone is drawn into that same dynamic. 602 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,800 The individual ceases to exist. 603 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,920 The group sense takes over the individual sense. 604 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,800 Mass formation always goes hand in hand with a remarkable intolerance... 605 00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,280 of those that don't join in with the mass... 606 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:06,840 or voice an opinion that disagrees with the mass. 607 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,680 The dissident opinion threatens to undo the mass formation. 608 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,800 People sense that if that voice isn't silenced and is tolerated... 609 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,640 that they will wake up from the mass formation... 610 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,440 and will again have to face the awful situation they were in before. 611 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,920 I can barely find the words for it. 612 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:10,280 It's almost criminal that they are so adamant about vaccinating people. 613 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:17,480 I find it especially irresponsible that children are getting vaccinated. 614 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,360 Absolutely. -Children aren't bothered by it all. 615 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:28,080 It's extremely careless to vaccinate children... 616 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,920 while the long-term effects are still unknown. 617 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,840 My work in parliament, my search for truth... 618 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,800 and the accompanying commotion can be very exhausting. 619 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,240 I'm very glad with the support I get from my environment. 620 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,560 And in particular from Carola, my girlfriend. 621 00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:02,480 We first met during the 2017 campaign elections. 622 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,720 And after that we met several times at various political gatherings. 623 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:14,720 And over the last year we got to know each other much better. 624 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,920 The situation has changed a lot since then. 625 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:25,600 Back then I was mainly worried about mass immigration, climate policy... 626 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:30,840 the increasing transfer of power to the European Union. 627 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:37,440 The past year has all been about the freedom-restricting coronavirus policy. 628 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:43,280 I'm glad that we're both of the same mind on that topic. 629 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:50,640 And that we have similar views on what is currently taking place. 630 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,240 Gideon is an enormous source of support for me. 631 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,480 I feel that he really understands me. 632 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,360 And he's also a source of inspiration. 633 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,480 I don't know anyone who is as courageous as he is. 634 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,880 I think that we complement each other. 635 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:17,280 It's great to have a girlfriend with whom I can discuss everything. 636 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,680 We support each other through thick and thin. 637 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:27,120 That's a relief. It gives me the support and strength I need... 638 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,560 to continue with this important work. 639 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,400 The issues we're currently facing in the Netherlands... 640 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,440 are not comparable with the problems of a few years ago. 641 00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:00,920 I talk to people on the streets that have tears in their eyes... 642 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,800 because they lost everything that they worked for in a very short time. 643 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:14,880 People who see that their children got vaccinated without their knowledge. 644 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,760 People who lost their friends. People who are getting divorced. 645 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:27,240 It's impossible to describe the suffering that's currently going on in this country. 646 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:34,040 It's of a different magnitude compared to a few years ago. 647 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:41,280 That makes me feel a great deal of responsibility... 648 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,760 to stand up for these people. 649 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:50,720 We want the Netherlands to be free again and have to keep fighting for that. 650 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,680 The consequences of the coronavirus policy were felt throughout our society. 651 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,880 How did the coronavirus crisis approach affect our economy? 652 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,600 I discussed the current state of affairs with business strategist Twan Houben. 653 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:14,920 At the start of the crisis the Netherlands was in a better economic position... 654 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,400 than many other European countries, as our national debt was below 60%. 655 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,720 That's a line drawn by the EU. 656 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:27,400 That means that the Dutch government can spend relatively more money... 657 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,160 than many other European countries. 658 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,200 Here we are again. 659 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:37,640 That means we need another substantial financial aid package. 660 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,640 We need to keep doing what is necessary... 661 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,200 to limit the damage for companies and employees. 662 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,240 I wonder if that is wise. I doubt it. I think it's dangerous... 663 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:55,840 because I expect an economic crisis in the second half of this year. 664 01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,360 If you're still spending a lot of money while the interest rates are rising. 665 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,160 The government can spend so much because the interest rates are low. 666 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,560 Then you can borrow what you like. 667 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:14,280 If they rise and you've made promises to spend billions, you'll run into trouble. 668 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,240 I'm afraid that will happen. And here's my second point: 669 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:24,000 The Dutch national debt is relatively low, but the debt of the private sector... 670 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,880 the debt of citizens and companies is among the highest in Europe. 671 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,280 Rabobank has charts showing this. 672 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:37,320 In the EU we're at the top of the list for private debt in relation to the GDP. 673 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,840 That means people will suffer in the private sector. 674 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,360 I also asked Henk van Dalen, economist and former Rabobank supervisor... 675 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,400 about the state of the Dutch economy after two years of coronavirus policy. 676 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,600 Much has changed in the past two years. 677 01:02:53,720 --> 01:03:01,600 At the end of 2019, the world had 250,000 billion euros of debt. 678 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:08,560 By the end of 2021, that was 300,000 billion. 679 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:14,840 In two years the debt increased by 50,000 billion. 680 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,360 This was during COVID. That's an increase of 20%. 681 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,520 You can look at it this way: It took us hundreds of years... 682 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:29,480 to accumulate a debt of 250,000 billion... 683 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:35,240 and in just two years we added another 50,000 billion. 684 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,920 I'll mention the so-called Lehman Brothers crisis in 2008. 685 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,560 The investment bank Lehman Brothers is for sale... 686 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,360 because they can't get out of the trouble they're in. 687 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:54,600 At that time, global debt was about 150,000 to 160,000 billion. 688 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,560 At the time, we could just barely handle that crash. 689 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:05,240 It took the global economy four to five years to recover. 690 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,960 So when something does happen, it won't be easy to handle. 691 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,520 Besides that the national debt has risen significantly... 692 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,560 and entrepreneurs are made totally dependent on government aid... 693 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,760 the lockdowns have another direct effect on the economy. 694 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,360 The disruption of supply chains across the globe... 695 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:32,440 are the cause of the inflation that's affecting us all at the moment. 696 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:37,400 In general, all the problems the world is currently dealing with... 697 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:43,920 like coronavirus, inflation, the debt crisis are the effects of globalisation. 698 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:49,000 Globalisation caused certain shifts in economies. 699 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,280 We've been outsourcing labour to low-wage countries. 700 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,080 And we've developed knowledge there. 701 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,040 We lost employment opportunities as a country and in Europe. 702 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,000 It seemed to go well, as prosperity seemed to be rising... 703 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,720 due to increased productivity and the printing of more money. 704 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,040 It seemed to go well, but then coronavirus broke out. 705 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,960 And due to coronavirus, we had lockdowns. 706 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,520 And due to the lockdowns, factories were shut down. 707 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:22,600 And when the lockdowns end, the factories have a delivery backlog. 708 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,280 They have to make up for lost time. 709 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,640 That's not always possible and it takes time. 710 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,080 Because it takes time there's a product shortage in the stores. 711 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,160 And when demand exceeds supply, prices rise. 712 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:43,560 The current inflation is caused by the lockdown that disrupted the supply chain... 713 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,800 which led to demand exceeding supply which in turn caused prices to rise. 714 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:53,120 The global network of flows of raw materials and products... 715 01:05:53,240 --> 01:06:01,120 was made by small and big companies with the best intentions in the 1970s. 716 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,640 But we've reached a point where you have to wonder: 717 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:11,400 Hasn't it all become too complex, too extensive and too complicated? 718 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:18,040 For example, not so long ago the Evergreen blocked the Suez Canal. 719 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:24,520 As a consequence, the supply chains were disrupted for weeks, for months even. 720 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,480 That process is becoming tighter and tighter. 721 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,000 When you look at antibiotics. 722 01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:47,040 90 to 95% of all antibiotics are made in China and India. 723 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:52,800 But consider how important antibiotics are for all societies. 724 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,400 This has led to a dependency relationship... 725 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:03,520 deliberately created by Western companies that moved their production over there. 726 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,920 That decision is going to come back to haunt us someday. 727 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:37,440 It seems many problems are caused by the globalisation of the last decades. 728 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:44,360 International organisations, corporate states and NGOs have gained power. 729 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,320 We've lost more of our independence and become more and more dependent. 730 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:55,160 In my opinion, globalisation is the cause of all of our current problems. 731 01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:02,960 From the disruption of supply chains to the global approach to coronavirus. 732 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:07,800 Or things like current inflation and the ongoing housing crisis. 733 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:13,280 Not just in the Netherlands, but also in Sydney and New York. It's everywhere. 734 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,520 It all has to do with globalisation. 735 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:25,000 The leaders of all those multinationals decided back then: 736 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,000 We'll produce things more cheaply abroad. 737 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:34,040 And we'll take the jobs and expertise with us to increase our profit margins. 738 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:40,600 As a consequence, we've seen an exodus of jobs. 739 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,080 And capital. Many factories and machines disappeared here. 740 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:51,360 In the end this has led to lower growth in the eurozone than we would have had. 741 01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:55,400 Studies show that since the introduction of the euro... 742 01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,640 growth is on the zero line when you take Europe as a whole. 743 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,640 That's disappointing. 744 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:08,520 It raises questions about the tenability of our increasingly globalised society. 745 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,840 Have we reached the end of an era? 746 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:17,320 And how does this relate to the roll out of coronavirus policies on a global scale? 747 01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:20,920 I asked Bob de Wit, Professor of Strategic Leadership... 748 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,680 and the author of Society 4.0. 749 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:28,480 We've become an increasingly globalising industrialised society. 750 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,400 We have tech companies that are bigger than nations. 751 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,800 The number of NGOs has increased from 400 to 40,000 in the last century. 752 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,520 On an international level the situation has become much more complex. 753 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,160 In the international playing field things are taking place... 754 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:54,160 that create friction in the way our industrial society has been designed. 755 01:09:54,280 --> 01:10:00,480 International negotiations are failing, so no decisions are made. 756 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,320 The gap between citizens and the police is increasing. 757 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:07,360 In the transition to a new age there is always turmoil. 758 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:15,320 Since 2017, I've been expecting the start of a revolution to a new form of society. 759 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:22,920 What will this societal crisis bring forth? 760 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,600 And what is the role of Klaus Schwab, director of the World Economic Forum... 761 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,000 who advocates a Great Reset? 762 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:36,800 Schwab said that this is the moment that we need to create a new society. 763 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,680 The pandemic is a reason to say: 764 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:44,960 This is a moment we should embrace to create a new society. 765 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:17,760 The problem is that his proposal for a new society is on a global scale... 766 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:24,200 because all the powerful tech parties and NGOs operate on a global level. 767 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:28,480 The same goes for the UN. And they're saying: 'Let us do it. 768 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:34,360 We have the funds, the power and the UN has great ideas for SDGs. 769 01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:39,200 Leave it up to us. We'll create a global government that does right. 770 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,280 We'll save the planet and everything will be all right.' 771 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,360 That means creating a top-down society based on control and management. 772 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:28,120 I have similar thoughts that we need a new form of society... 773 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,120 but I don't believe in a top-down society. 774 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:35,000 I think a top-down society will benefit the elite... 775 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,320 and the rest of the people are controlled by force. 776 01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:43,160 We should create a society that's in the interest of the citizens... 777 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,720 and involve as many citizens as possible. 778 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:51,680 And we can use the same technologies that control people to create freedom. 779 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:58,680 When we look at the current measures, like the introduction of the QR society... 780 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:04,600 and the increasing pressure and compulsion to get vaccinated... 781 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,880 how do those measures relate to Klaus Schwab's Great Reset? 782 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:17,120 With a top-down society, it's key to have control and full information. 783 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,480 A QR code is a way to get information. 784 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:26,800 The basic idea with a top-down society is that you have to earn your citizenship. 785 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,120 I always use China as an example. 786 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:35,120 Communist societies are designed to be top-down societies. 787 01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:42,160 Where currently 1.3 billion Chinese have a social credit score. 788 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,920 Everything they do, how they pay, interact online and in traffic... 789 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,280 is all taken into consideration, and if you do well, you get a high score. 790 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:55,840 Good citizens get passports, driving licenses, schooling and healthcare. 791 01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,320 And if you don't do as the party says you won't get enough points. 792 01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:04,720 You won't get a passport, a driving license, schooling or healthcare. 793 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:10,600 In a top-down society you have to earn your citizenship with good behaviour. 794 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,480 QR codes are comparable to a social credit score. 795 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:20,440 It's part of a top-down society that's based on compulsion. 796 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:28,440 There are people who believe in a top-down society by using technology. 797 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:33,000 They see the need for a new society, which I agree with. 798 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,600 And if one strategy doesn't work they'll find another way to make it work. 799 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:44,120 The fight will go on and it will shift to the next topic for people to worry about. 800 01:14:54,080 --> 01:15:01,720 I think we need to realise that we're living in a unique era in history. 801 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:08,760 Don't focus too much on QR codes. They're just a means in a larger game. 802 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,200 Focus on that game. 803 01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:16,000 And people should accept that we're in a transition period. 804 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,000 Let's make this a better world. It's possible. 805 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,360 We have the technology to make it a better world. 806 01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:26,120 The industrial age has brought us many benefits. 807 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,600 Like wealth, prosperity, cars, we can go on holidays. 808 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:35,840 These are great things, but it hasn't really improved us as humans beings. 809 01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:41,480 After all, we've become human robots. We've become human resources. 810 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,200 You can also see this as a chance to build a new society together. 811 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,840 We can work less and can use more and more technology to do the work. 812 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,680 It gives us more time to focus on the interpersonal aspects of life... 813 01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,800 and on questions of meaning. 814 01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,520 And we can look for ways to bring us to a higher level as human beings. 815 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:08,240 You're sketching an alternative for Klaus Schwab's Great Reset. 816 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,400 What needs to happen to achieve your alternative vision? 817 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,520 My vision is based on regional democracy. 818 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:22,720 A direct democracy that uses technology and developments to reorganise society. 819 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:29,520 You'll see that a clash will take place between two opposed views of society. 820 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,080 The current rulers won't go voluntarily. 821 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,960 They're the last to see things and need to be persuaded. 822 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,680 And then we'll get the butterfly effect. 823 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,960 It will only take something small to set it all off. 824 01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:01,920 Things will start to escalate and then the transition will take place. 825 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:13,240 People are working on a new social and political order. 826 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,120 The decision-making power of nations will disappear. 827 01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:21,760 Political and economic decisions will be taken by a global government. 828 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:27,520 A new global order that's in the interest of large non-elected key players. 829 01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:32,200 Like international organisations, NGOs and large companies. 830 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,960 But it's in conflict with the interests of society. 831 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,760 In the long term I'm optimistic... 832 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:44,480 because conflicts between the elite and citizens have occurred before. 833 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,120 It has happened before and each time it failed. 834 01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,480 People overestimate the power of the latest technologies... 835 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,280 to take control of a country, a region or the world... 836 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,000 because more and more people realise what's going on. 837 01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:05,520 They see there is an alternative and slowly they opt for that better alternative. 838 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:12,960 And you'll see that once again the plans to create a top-down society will fail. 839 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,480 It's going to fail. 840 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,600 And finally, I spoke to Wassila Hachchi. A former politician for D66... 841 01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:26,760 who, since her departure, can speak freely about the way politics are done. 842 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,640 What are her thoughts on the current system crisis? 843 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:36,600 Politics is a world that operates on the basis of fear. 844 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,880 Just look at the House of Representatives. 845 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:47,040 That fear is reflected everywhere, I even saw it within my own party. 846 01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:52,560 You fight within your party for a higher place on the list of candidates. 847 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:57,240 You also fight against the other parties to win the elections. 848 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:03,760 And there's a fight in the power system to become a state secretary or minister. 849 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:09,240 The whole system is permeated in fear. That's what drives the politicians. 850 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:17,920 As people, we flourish and are empowered in an environment of trust. 851 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,880 When we're in an environment where we help each other. 852 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:29,600 And the powers-that-be should always realise: You serve the people. 853 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,520 You don't have power over the people. 854 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,840 The people decide whether or not you are worthy of that power. 855 01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:45,760 In the end, as human beings we need a system change. 856 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,160 A new kind of democracy. 857 01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,240 A system where people feel that they have more influence. 858 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:57,720 Systems don't change by playing the game like it's always been played. 859 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,320 You'll have to change the game. 860 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:06,520 I've learned that real changes only take place... 861 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,120 when the population demands it. 862 01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:14,640 Power systems aren't eager to change. 863 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,480 Moreover, when power has been structured in a certain way... 864 01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:24,240 those in power don't want it to change, because then they could lose power. 865 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:30,320 Just look in your history books, real political changes only occur... 866 01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:35,200 after the population has said: 'We've had enough. Things have to change.' 867 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:41,360 It's very enlightening to talk with experts that are independent... 868 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:45,920 about the coronavirus policy. There's only one possible conclusion: 869 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:51,400 Coronavirus is not dangerous at all. It's comparable with the common flu. 870 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:57,000 The measures are ineffective and extremely damaging to society. 871 01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:04,440 And vaccinating the entire population is not only unnecessary, but dangerous. 872 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,920 Luckily more people are realising that the current coronavirus policy... 873 01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:15,320 doesn't serve public health, but that other interests are involved. 874 01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:21,480 The interests of a global elite that wants a global top-down society. 875 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,480 We shouldn't be misled by the so-called relaxation of measures. 876 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:32,680 Especially when measures are just put on ice for later use. 877 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,880 It's not the first time we've gotten excited about nothing. 878 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,720 If we sit back now and wait, it's not a matter of if, but rather of when... 879 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,680 we will be robbed again of our rights and liberties. 880 01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:52,440 In the meantime, millions are being invested in developing the coronavirus app. 881 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:58,600 Globally, far-reaching preparations are being made for drastic control measures. 882 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,640 An extension of a mandatory QR code to be able to travel. 883 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,400 And the introduction of digital ID cards. 884 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,320 Considering how much power the governments already have... 885 01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:16,000 we must prevent them at all costs from getting more means to control our lives. 886 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:20,800 Even now, unwelcome opinions are dismissed as disinformation... 887 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,560 and censored from the debates. 888 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:29,120 Even now, bank accounts of protestors and political enemies are being frozen. 889 01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,920 Even now, unvaccinated people are losing their jobs. 890 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,080 The power of governments should be limited. 891 01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,080 That's why we need to continue our resistance. 892 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,840 Together we must take a stand against the government. 893 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,120 We shouldn't let ourselves be divided by our differences... 894 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:54,760 because only through mass protests, civil disobedience and other actions... 895 01:22:54,880 --> 01:23:00,720 will we win our freedom back. 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