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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:06,530 - All right. Let's get started. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,870 - Okay. Yeah, I think I need to 3 00:00:08,970 --> 00:00:11,340 fix my eyeliner a little bit though. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,810 [moody music] 5 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:20,710 ♪ ♪ 6 00:00:20,820 --> 00:00:22,680 - take two [murmurs]. 7 00:00:26,090 --> 00:00:30,460 - It's really hard to separate how the playboy world 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,330 affected how I feel about the way I look 9 00:00:33,430 --> 00:00:36,000 and just what's authentic to me. 10 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:38,170 People might think, "oh, you must have felt great 11 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:40,630 'cause you were on tv and you were famous." 12 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:42,770 they think that I should have known 13 00:00:42,870 --> 00:00:45,010 exactly what I was getting into. 14 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:47,510 Like, "whoa, you're stepping into a cult there." 15 00:00:47,610 --> 00:00:49,510 but I absolutely did not. 16 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:52,250 In my early 20s, I didn't realize 17 00:00:52,350 --> 00:00:56,480 that getting into the playboy world was a dangerous choice. 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,690 [engine revving] 19 00:01:00,790 --> 00:01:02,120 - my name is hugh hefner. 20 00:01:02,220 --> 00:01:03,960 I'm editor/publisher of "playboy" magazine. 21 00:01:04,060 --> 00:01:05,760 - When hugh hefner was just 27, 22 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:08,230 he fashioned himself and "playboy" 23 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:10,460 as the face of sexual liberation. 24 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:11,830 - Playboy is one of 25 00:01:11,930 --> 00:01:13,970 the most famous brand names in the world. 26 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:15,640 - I would like to be remembered as somebody 27 00:01:15,740 --> 00:01:17,440 who played some positive part 28 00:01:17,540 --> 00:01:20,410 in changing the social, sexual values of my time. 29 00:01:21,510 --> 00:01:25,780 - I believe that hef pulled one over on the whole world. 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,780 - The fantasy of playboy that he created 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,420 did not allow for the consent of the women. 32 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,990 - When it came to hefner's buddies, 33 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:36,320 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 34 00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:37,960 - What have you got for free? 35 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:39,960 - When you get someone that powerful, 36 00:01:40,060 --> 00:01:42,430 anything could happen. Anything. 37 00:01:42,530 --> 00:01:43,930 - The people who were really there, 38 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:45,800 they're the ones who know the real truth. 39 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:47,300 - I want to be a voice 40 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,300 for the women that suffered the most at his hands. 41 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:53,270 [dramatic chords] 42 00:02:02,220 --> 00:02:03,620 - ♪ come on-a my house ♪ 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,220 ♪ to my house ♪ 44 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,560 ♪ I'm gonna give you candy ♪ 45 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:09,890 ♪ hey ♪ 46 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:12,890 ♪ come on-a my house, my house, a-come on ♪ 47 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:17,600 - this was the episode where, when I saw it, 48 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:20,230 I thought I was so fat in it 49 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:22,840 because I always felt like I had to watch, 50 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:25,940 like, every tiny little thing about my appearance. 51 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:30,240 I was one of hugh hefner's multiple girlfriends, 52 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:33,280 and I starred in a show called "the girls next door." 53 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,650 I feel like, on "girls next door," 54 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:39,020 hef was portrayed as like a kindly grandpa. 55 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,420 That's not how he is. 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,530 It would make me so angry how manipulative he was. 57 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:49,600 Hef controlled every aspect of our life. 58 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:52,600 And after I left the mansion, 59 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:56,200 I can't really explain to you 60 00:02:56,310 --> 00:02:58,210 how strong the feeling was in me 61 00:02:58,310 --> 00:03:00,010 that I needed to get my story out. 62 00:03:00,110 --> 00:03:02,440 - She has a new book out that is making waves 63 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:03,810 and upsetting hef. 64 00:03:03,910 --> 00:03:05,580 It's called "down the rabbit hole: 65 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,550 Curious adventures and cautionary tales 66 00:03:07,650 --> 00:03:09,780 of a former playboy bunny." 67 00:03:11,450 --> 00:03:13,120 - you know, I think when I came out with my story, 68 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:17,060 a lot of people were really hostile toward it. 69 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,560 They would say, "oh, you're talking all this [bleep]. 70 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:22,830 You were so happy there. You loved being there." 71 00:03:22,930 --> 00:03:25,970 because so many people who are part of that playboy world, 72 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:27,400 they don't want anything tarnishing 73 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:29,600 like that golden bubble in their life. 74 00:03:29,710 --> 00:03:33,670 [somber music] 75 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:36,910 - I knew hugh hefner for 44 years. 76 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,110 He was the one that walked me down the aisle 77 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:41,750 when I got married to joel. 78 00:03:41,850 --> 00:03:45,090 - I had 27 years at the mansion. 79 00:03:45,190 --> 00:03:48,020 God love holly, I hope she has a wonderful life. 80 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,160 But what she did in her book was a complete affront to hef 81 00:03:51,260 --> 00:03:53,090 and everything he stood for. 82 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,930 - She seemed like she really liked him, 83 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:56,760 that she really cared about him. 84 00:03:56,870 --> 00:04:00,400 I don't know why she would write a book like that. 85 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,670 - People want to villainize women in these situations. 86 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,080 But I had so much belief in myself before I met hef. 87 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:12,110 And then it was just shattered. 88 00:04:13,450 --> 00:04:17,620 I want people to know why I felt like I couldn't leave 89 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,690 and why I chose to get in that situation in the first place. 90 00:04:24,630 --> 00:04:26,160 [upbeat dance music] 91 00:04:26,260 --> 00:04:28,100 - we playmates have the secret to happiness. 92 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,600 - The secret that brings you 93 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:31,570 the world's most beautiful women. 94 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:33,400 - And their outrageous video--free. 95 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:34,700 All: Free? 96 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,340 - Is this like a lamp you rub or something? 97 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,810 - No, it's playboy. 98 00:04:38,910 --> 00:04:40,970 [moody music] 99 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240 - growing up, they used to have, 100 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:46,150 believe it or not, playboy commercials on tv, 101 00:04:46,250 --> 00:04:48,180 and they would show videos of these women 102 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:50,750 and they were always, like, so flattering. 103 00:04:50,850 --> 00:04:53,950 And I was like, "wow, I want to look like that." 104 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,890 ever since I was a kid, 105 00:04:56,990 --> 00:04:58,730 I've had a really difficult time 106 00:04:58,830 --> 00:05:00,690 connecting with other people. 107 00:05:01,730 --> 00:05:03,530 I grew up in a very, very small town in alaska, 108 00:05:03,630 --> 00:05:07,600 basically, you know, living in the woods at certain points. 109 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:09,370 Every couple years, we would move, 110 00:05:09,470 --> 00:05:11,000 I'd be introduced to a new place. 111 00:05:11,110 --> 00:05:14,640 I never really felt like I fit in there. 112 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:17,610 I'm also not quite neurotypical, 113 00:05:17,710 --> 00:05:19,650 which I was only recently diagnosed. 114 00:05:19,750 --> 00:05:21,550 Like, obviously, I've been that way my whole life. 115 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:26,150 But a few years back, my ex called my mom. 116 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:27,820 He was like, "so I can't connect with her. 117 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Like, what is wrong with her? Blah, blah, blah." 118 00:05:29,660 --> 00:05:34,030 and she was like, "well, you know, 119 00:05:34,130 --> 00:05:36,200 I'm pretty sure she has asperger's." 120 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:37,660 and then I'm like looking it up 121 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:39,000 and like talking to my doctor about it. 122 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:42,740 I'm like, "oh, this is 100% me, 100%." 123 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:46,240 and I've just kind of been looking back 124 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:49,640 and seeing everything through that lens now. 125 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:52,910 And I think I was drawn to try to be in the spotlight 126 00:05:53,020 --> 00:05:56,920 because I felt like if I could be famous, 127 00:05:57,020 --> 00:05:58,020 that would be a shortcut 128 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,490 to feeling a connection with people 129 00:05:59,590 --> 00:06:02,160 because we feel connected to celebrities. 130 00:06:02,260 --> 00:06:04,420 ♪ ♪ 131 00:06:04,530 --> 00:06:08,900 I was very much attracted to like the anna nicole smiths, 132 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,500 who was a supermodel at the time, 133 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,500 and the jenny mccarthys 134 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,430 who was like the it girl on mtv 135 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:16,470 and the pamela andersons who was like-- 136 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:18,770 she was the biggest tv star at the time. 137 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:20,510 And kind of this common denominator you notice 138 00:06:20,610 --> 00:06:22,380 is they all started out as playmates. 139 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,950 It made a lot of sense to infer that, 140 00:06:25,050 --> 00:06:26,350 "oh, if I start out at playboy, 141 00:06:26,450 --> 00:06:28,620 I could end up like that too because they did." 142 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,620 ♪ ♪ 143 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,250 the next time I encountered 144 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:34,050 anything from the playboy world 145 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,660 was when I moved to california, 146 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,630 I was working for hawaiian tropic as a model. 147 00:06:40,730 --> 00:06:44,100 Mark saginor, hef's personal doctor at the time, 148 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,700 was at one of the hawaiian tropic contests 149 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,470 and he extended an invitation to a playboy party 150 00:06:50,570 --> 00:06:53,840 to all the women participating. 151 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,010 I was really excited to go because, at the time, 152 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:59,510 the playboy parties were really, really exclusive. 153 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:02,320 You saw celebrities everywhere. 154 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,220 You saw playmates you recognized from the magazine. 155 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,760 And of course, I saw hef. 156 00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:14,190 At that point, everybody was giving him a ton of attention 157 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:15,800 because he was going out to nightclubs 158 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:18,130 several times a week with seven girlfriends. 159 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:20,730 - These are my girlfriends. - Every one of them 160 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,540 is your girlfriend? - Yes. 161 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,170 - The image I got of hef and his girlfriends 162 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:28,310 was one of a revolving door. 163 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:30,910 The women would come in, they would all get centerfolds. 164 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:32,710 Some of them would move on to better things. 165 00:07:32,820 --> 00:07:35,050 And it just seemed like everyone was happy with that. 166 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:36,980 ♪ ♪ 167 00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:39,650 and then in summer of 2001, 168 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,420 I got invited to the pool parties that they would have 169 00:07:43,530 --> 00:07:45,260 on sundays at the playboy mansion, 170 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,700 and I just saw this really wholesome atmosphere. 171 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,760 It was really surprising. 172 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:53,000 The whole social circle at the mansion 173 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:58,340 just seemed like such a happy little family of friends. 174 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,170 So for somebody who has a horrible time 175 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,680 connecting with other people 176 00:08:01,780 --> 00:08:03,310 to kind of fall into this place 177 00:08:03,410 --> 00:08:06,750 that feels like a little community instantly 178 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:08,980 is very attractive. 179 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,650 - On sundays, she would sit there two or three chairs down 180 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,320 from where we would play backgammon. 181 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:17,560 I remember her talking to alison and asking her, 182 00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:19,460 "how do I become a girlfriend?" 183 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,900 - hef really didn't, like, pick her out. 184 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,070 She basically, you know, came to him. 185 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:32,770 - I wasn't physically attracted to hef, 186 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,770 but I did find him very charming. 187 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,980 And I feel like one of the reasons I was 188 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,980 so able to buy into being able to have this relationship 189 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,620 with an older person is I thought, 190 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,420 "well, I never like connected with guys my own age. 191 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,590 "so maybe this is what's meant to happen. 192 00:08:45,690 --> 00:08:47,720 Maybe this is a better fit." 193 00:08:47,820 --> 00:08:50,120 ♪ ♪ 194 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:52,790 and in the amount of time I was going to parties there, 195 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:54,760 which is about a year's worth of time, 196 00:08:54,860 --> 00:08:58,030 it was made obvious to me that I could join the group 197 00:08:58,130 --> 00:09:00,530 anytime I wanted through some of the other women. 198 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,300 And of course, all the girls behind the scenes were saying 199 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:04,270 they didn't really sleep with him 200 00:09:04,370 --> 00:09:05,770 and it's just all publicity. 201 00:09:05,870 --> 00:09:09,240 And I felt like that was probably the case. 202 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:12,210 - Does he bang any of them? - Um...I don't know. 203 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:13,680 - You don't know? 204 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:17,080 - I thought living at the mansion would be very cozy. 205 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:18,450 I felt like it would be 206 00:09:18,550 --> 00:09:21,960 this really one-of-a-kind amazing sorority. 207 00:09:23,290 --> 00:09:25,490 People always want to point to the money and the luxury 208 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:27,990 and--you know, that was fine. 209 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:30,430 But what really attracted me 210 00:09:30,530 --> 00:09:32,270 was the sense of having a community 211 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:33,700 and a support system. 212 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:39,170 And people don't recognize how alluring that can be. 213 00:09:41,580 --> 00:09:44,380 The first night I went out with hef and the girls, 214 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,380 I just kind of had it in my mind that, 215 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,050 you know, I was gonna see what happened, 216 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:49,180 and if I wasn't comfortable with it, 217 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,480 I didn't have to do anything. 218 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:55,120 You know, we went out to a nightclub. 219 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:57,260 I was sitting next to hef, and he leaned over 220 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,330 and he asked me if I wanted to take a quaalude. 221 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,460 I said something like, "no, I don't do drugs." 222 00:10:03,570 --> 00:10:05,830 and he goes, "yeah, I typically don't either. 223 00:10:05,930 --> 00:10:07,100 "but, you know, they used to call these 224 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,440 thigh openers in the '70s." 225 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:10,500 I just thought it was really weird. 226 00:10:12,310 --> 00:10:15,980 That night, I drank a lot 'cause I was nervous. 227 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,310 Back at the house, 228 00:10:17,410 --> 00:10:21,650 after I ended up going upstairs with them... 229 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:32,030 - I don't really wanna talk about it. 230 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:38,530 [moody music] 231 00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:49,140 - there was definitely no, 232 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,810 like, romance or seduction 233 00:10:50,910 --> 00:10:52,250 or anything like that. 234 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:54,410 [uneasy music] 235 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,220 it was dark in the room. 236 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,850 But there was a giant movie screen of porn 237 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:01,990 in front of the bed. 238 00:11:02,090 --> 00:11:04,460 He was in the middle of the bed. 239 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,190 And then the women were surrounding him, 240 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:08,060 but they're all backlit. 241 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,000 [laughter] 242 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:15,140 I'd never had casual sex with anybody before. 243 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,670 I feel like I was kind of really asexual. 244 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:22,380 So maybe I just wasn't ready for that? 245 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,640 ♪ ♪ 246 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:28,280 it was all very mechanical and robotic, 247 00:11:28,380 --> 00:11:32,090 and you would kind of follow the other women's lead. 248 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,660 And it was really gross to me 249 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,590 how hef didn't wanna use use protection. 250 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:43,900 ♪ ♪ 251 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,200 the impact it had on me was so heavy. 252 00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:51,140 I never expected to be 253 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,940 the first person to have sex that night 254 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,240 or to be like pushed into it. 255 00:12:00,780 --> 00:12:02,620 The next morning, 256 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,720 I definitely felt humiliated by the experience. 257 00:12:05,820 --> 00:12:07,920 But in the beginning, even after that night, 258 00:12:08,020 --> 00:12:11,360 like, I still had this idea and this fantasy of, like, 259 00:12:11,460 --> 00:12:13,330 all of us being like sorority sisters 260 00:12:13,430 --> 00:12:15,460 and we're all gonna get along. 261 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,130 I think sometimes when you're not in control at all, 262 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:20,900 you can lean into a bad situation more 263 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,170 because you're almost fooling yourself 264 00:12:22,270 --> 00:12:24,470 by thinking you are in control. 265 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:26,970 I think it's a trauma response. 266 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,580 So I decided to move into the mansion. 267 00:12:31,710 --> 00:12:34,650 Obviously, I told people, 'cause I moved, 268 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:37,520 and I was just shocked at how everyone reacted. 269 00:12:37,620 --> 00:12:40,190 When you say you're like dating hugh hefner or whatever, 270 00:12:40,290 --> 00:12:43,090 people assume you're getting a money exchange for sex 271 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:44,890 and they want to put you in a corner 272 00:12:44,990 --> 00:12:48,160 and, you know, call you a hooker or whatever. 273 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:50,330 So I know there's that judgement out there. 274 00:12:50,430 --> 00:12:53,100 And I just immediately felt dirty 275 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,640 and like I would be judged for the rest of my life 276 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:57,900 for making this decision. 277 00:12:58,010 --> 00:13:00,170 And I never thought of it that way at all. 278 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,810 I thought of myself as involved with one man. 279 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:04,940 I did enjoy living at his house, 280 00:13:05,050 --> 00:13:08,450 but it wasn't in a direct exchange of money for sex 281 00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:09,850 or anything like that. 282 00:13:09,950 --> 00:13:11,850 I don't look down on sex workers. 283 00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:14,790 But it does bug me that people want to put me in that corner 284 00:13:14,890 --> 00:13:16,160 because I don't feel like 285 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:19,330 I was even making that decision, really. 286 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:25,170 I had unintentionally branded myself by moving in there. 287 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:28,770 And if I thought my life was hard before, 288 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:31,940 it was gonna be really hard if I left. 289 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,240 And it made me just want to, like, 290 00:13:33,340 --> 00:13:34,740 turn the situation right somehow. 291 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,680 And I didn't know how to do that. 292 00:13:37,780 --> 00:13:40,650 - ♪ we may be wrong but ♪ 293 00:13:40,750 --> 00:13:43,220 ♪ we think you're wonderful ♪ 294 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,720 [cheers and applause] 295 00:13:47,620 --> 00:13:50,820 - at the mansion, the indoctrination, I feel, 296 00:13:50,930 --> 00:13:53,130 starts almost immediately when you're there 297 00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:56,100 and you start hearing about how wonderful hef is 298 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,830 from his circle of friends. 299 00:13:58,930 --> 00:14:02,500 - Hef provided a stunning environment. 300 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,810 He was a loving, decent, wonderful man, 301 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:07,410 incredible friend. 302 00:14:07,510 --> 00:14:10,880 - He is such a great man 303 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:13,480 with such a great personality, 304 00:14:13,580 --> 00:14:15,480 and everyone was drawn to him. 305 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:18,790 - Hef was a gracious man. 306 00:14:18,890 --> 00:14:20,050 And he loved women. 307 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,390 He loved them. 308 00:14:21,490 --> 00:14:23,920 - He treated women with love 309 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:26,690 and honor and respect. 310 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,230 And I think that hef always was a romanticist. 311 00:14:31,330 --> 00:14:33,100 - I'm a romantic fool. 312 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,170 I mean, I was raised in that impossible world 313 00:14:36,270 --> 00:14:39,040 where the words of the songs are true. 314 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:40,810 And the romantic songs, the cole porter 315 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:42,580 and the--you know, the gershwin. 316 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:45,580 - So in the beginning, 317 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,410 hef is what you would now call a love bomber. 318 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,350 He's somebody who tells you I love you almost immediately. 319 00:14:50,450 --> 00:14:53,090 He was always telling me, you know, how special I was 320 00:14:53,190 --> 00:14:54,920 and you're so giving for your age. 321 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,890 And, you know, he really made me feel like 322 00:14:56,990 --> 00:14:59,460 I was special and rare. 323 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:04,160 - You had no idea you were being brainwashed. 324 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:06,770 Now that's a little girl in love. 325 00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:08,500 I was in heaven. 326 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:11,870 I was hef's girlfriend in the '70s 327 00:15:11,970 --> 00:15:13,840 and early '80s for five years. 328 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:15,310 ♪ ♪ 329 00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:16,640 he liked the old movies, 330 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:20,110 and it's like he would become a character 331 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:24,820 and do the romantic things he saw in the movies. 332 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,620 You know, he'd take me in his arms, 333 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,990 and we'd dance around the game room. 334 00:15:30,090 --> 00:15:31,590 And he said, "you're the first girl 335 00:15:31,690 --> 00:15:35,860 I've liked enough to consider having a baby with." 336 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,670 that was his romantic way. 337 00:15:38,770 --> 00:15:41,470 And people supported it. 338 00:15:41,570 --> 00:15:44,770 The secretaries or whatever-- they manipulated the girls. 339 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:47,770 They--they spoke highly of him. 340 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,580 - He comes off, you know, caring and generous, 341 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,340 especially when you see him in that atmosphere 342 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:54,980 because he's providing this good time for all his friends. 343 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,880 And, you know, they glow about him. 344 00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:59,420 [dynamic music] 345 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,020 and you just start to build this picture in your head 346 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,120 of somebody who can really do no wrong. 347 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:08,260 And now, looking back, on my time at playboy, 348 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,030 it reminds me of a cult. 349 00:16:10,130 --> 00:16:12,700 [dramatic musical sting] 350 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,910 the reason I think the mansion was very cultlike, 351 00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:20,510 looking back on it, 352 00:16:20,610 --> 00:16:22,510 is because we were all 353 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:24,340 kind of gaslit 354 00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:28,780 and expected to think of hef as like this really good guy. 355 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,220 And you started to feel like, "oh, he's not 356 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,550 what they say in the media. He's just a nice man." 357 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:35,360 ♪ ♪ 358 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:38,290 another thing that reminds me of a cult is how it was so... 359 00:16:38,390 --> 00:16:41,330 Easy to get isolated from the outside world there. 360 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:44,230 You had a 9:00 curfew. 361 00:16:44,330 --> 00:16:48,330 You were encouraged to not have friends over. 362 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,800 You weren't really allowed to leave 363 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:51,470 unless it was like a family holiday. 364 00:16:51,570 --> 00:16:54,070 - Are there are rules like can you have boyfriends at all? 365 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:55,240 - No. - No. 366 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:56,940 - You're not allowed to? - Hef is our boyfriend. 367 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:58,510 - How do you know when you're called to the master bedroom? 368 00:16:58,610 --> 00:17:00,180 Do you have nights? Women: Yeah. 369 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,480 - The sex always happened kind of like the same time 370 00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:04,420 the same night. 371 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,220 We would go out to a club every Wednesday and Friday, 372 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,520 and that would be expected when we got home. 373 00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:12,360 I kept my waitressing job at just like one day a week 374 00:17:12,460 --> 00:17:15,630 because I wanted just to have something easy to go back to 375 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:17,230 should things not work out. 376 00:17:17,330 --> 00:17:18,770 And he said it made him jealous 377 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:21,530 and he would appreciate it if I quit my job. 378 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,140 So instead, we were given $1,000 a week as an allowance. 379 00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:29,440 - I know for a fact the rules she had to follow were true. 380 00:17:29,540 --> 00:17:31,210 You're imprisoned in that playboy, like, 381 00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:33,880 you can't do your own thing 100%. 382 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:36,680 - When hefner was married to kimberley, 383 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:41,250 I'd invited kimberley to a Sunday lunch at my house, 384 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,360 but she was not really allowed out of the mansion. 385 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,060 So she arrived with a bodyguard 386 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,430 who was constantly on his telephone to mr. Hefner. 387 00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:52,900 "she's going up the stairs. She's gone to the loo." 388 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,030 and I was like, "is this a joke?" 389 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:59,040 and she's like, "no, this is--this is how it is." 390 00:17:59,140 --> 00:18:00,810 ♪ ♪ 391 00:18:00,910 --> 00:18:02,780 - I think in the very early first few months 392 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,310 that I was there, 393 00:18:04,410 --> 00:18:06,250 even though not everything was to my liking, 394 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:11,180 I felt like I hadn't given the situation enough of a chance. 395 00:18:11,290 --> 00:18:12,990 Love, love, love! 396 00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:15,490 So I tried really hard to follow all the rules. 397 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:17,590 Welcome to the playboy mansion. 398 00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:19,260 I'm holly, and I'm here to give you a tour. 399 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,560 Come on with me. I'll show you the game house. 400 00:18:21,660 --> 00:18:24,830 - I saw holly try very hard 401 00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:27,000 to be like the lady of the mansion. 402 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:28,630 - Every little boy's fantasy, 403 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:30,870 a house devoted entirely to games. 404 00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:32,740 We have old video games, new ones. 405 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,610 - She really tried to get into the things that hef got into. 406 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:38,780 - They had movie nights 407 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,110 on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. 408 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,750 - 1939. 409 00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:44,420 "gone with the wind." 410 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:49,120 - she'd be there, and she'd be very sweet to everybody. 411 00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:52,590 - One thing about me that was different from the other women 412 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:55,760 who lived there was I was really quiet. 413 00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:58,030 I just liked to stay in, 414 00:18:58,130 --> 00:18:59,670 and I loved watching the old movies 415 00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:01,630 that hef showed on Friday and saturdays. 416 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:04,100 I liked going down to the buffet dinners 417 00:19:04,210 --> 00:19:05,270 and chatting with his friends 418 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:07,310 or listening to them talk or whatever. 419 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,810 - The other girls, they were just there to party 420 00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:12,880 and have a good time. 421 00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:16,720 Holly was there to be a real presence 422 00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:19,890 in the playboy mansion. 423 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:21,550 Holly just cared about hef. 424 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,190 ♪ ♪ 425 00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:25,660 she was there to look after him. 426 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,630 She was a good hostess to his guests. 427 00:19:30,730 --> 00:19:33,370 I thought she was right for him. 428 00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:36,640 - Within the first few months, I went from being new 429 00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:40,610 to being like hef's main girlfriend. 430 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:42,710 I wasn't into the multiple girlfriend thing. 431 00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:45,010 It's not about them. It's just about 432 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:47,050 I would obviously rather be in a relationship 433 00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:48,850 where it's just me and one other person. 434 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:52,150 I was expected to order his drinks for him 435 00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:54,750 and like always stand next to him in pictures 436 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:57,220 and to move into his room. 437 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,330 - Now, what is it about holly? 438 00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:01,460 - Well, I think, despite the age disparity, 439 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,830 I think she's an old soul. 440 00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:04,630 I think we have very common interests 441 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:08,530 in terms of the way we enjoy spending our time. 442 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,740 She loves old classic films, 443 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,870 she loves the same kind of music I love. 444 00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:14,840 - I think what switched for me 445 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:16,940 was when hef started using me as a tool and saying, 446 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:18,610 "well, why can't you just behave like holly? 447 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:20,050 "why can't you just show up to all the movies? 448 00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:21,510 Why can't you do this like her?" 449 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:23,980 then everybody hated me. 450 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:25,820 One of the girlfriends 451 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,790 started working as a liaison for this escort service. 452 00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:31,260 And she started trying to recruit 453 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,060 all the other girlfriends. 454 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,360 When she was found out, 455 00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:38,000 she thought it was me who told on her, and it wasn't. 456 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:39,630 And I remember I had the flu 457 00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:41,300 and I was laying down in hef's room. 458 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,100 He was downstairs somewhere. 459 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,910 And she like comes up the bed screaming in my face, 460 00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:47,210 and I like can barely move, 461 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:50,010 so it's kind of like a scary situation. 462 00:20:50,110 --> 00:20:51,480 And I kind of had a breakdown 463 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:52,610 because I thought she was gonna hit me, 464 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:55,210 and like I have to live with these people. 465 00:20:57,020 --> 00:21:01,120 So I was completely isolated until bridget came along. 466 00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:04,360 - Bridget, how did you come aboard? 467 00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:06,590 - Um, I came to the mansion pursuing to be in the magazine. 468 00:21:06,690 --> 00:21:08,260 I really wanted to be a playmate 469 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,700 and started going out as the big party posse. 470 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,870 I think that holly and I bonded because 471 00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:17,770 I was very clear about not wanting her position. 472 00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:21,740 Some of the girlfriends would have liked to take that spot. 473 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,210 They wanna just like still break all the rules 474 00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:26,210 but still get all the perks. 475 00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:28,080 I knew that holly would want a life 476 00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:31,420 without all the extra girlfriends. 477 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,350 - In five years from today, holly, what are you doing? 478 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:36,690 - Um, I wanna be married, have kids, 479 00:21:36,790 --> 00:21:38,460 and still be working at playboy. 480 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,790 - With hef? - Yeah. 481 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:45,060 - I think I definitely thought I was in love with hef, 482 00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:47,700 but it was very stockholm syndrome. 483 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,600 Very stockholm syndrome. 484 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,140 - So stockholm syndrome is when somebody starts to identify 485 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,710 with somebody who is their captor in some way. 486 00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:59,380 And I feel like I did that with hef 100%. 487 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,180 Like, I never blamed him for any of the drama that went on. 488 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,790 I always blamed it on the other women, you know. 489 00:22:05,890 --> 00:22:07,650 Hef was innocent in my eyes. 490 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,190 And then later, one of the girls was telling me 491 00:22:11,290 --> 00:22:13,660 how hef always pits the main girlfriend 492 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,130 against the other girls. 493 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:18,960 This situation was going on for years before I came along. 494 00:22:19,070 --> 00:22:24,200 [dark music] 495 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:27,770 - what do you see? - Patty and laura. 496 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,280 This must have been the playmate party. 497 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:32,310 And that's when I met all these girls. 498 00:22:32,410 --> 00:22:36,320 And they were very, very mean to me at this point. 499 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:41,650 When I was hef's girlfriend, every girl wanted my position. 500 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,260 See, all the girls wanted to be in my shoes. 501 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,030 They wanted to be the girl walking down the path with him, 502 00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:48,360 sitting next to him. 503 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:50,130 He would pit us against each other. 504 00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:53,630 You know, there was always a little tiff 505 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:55,270 going with different girls. 506 00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:59,370 And, you know, if everybody was a little unsure of themselves, 507 00:22:59,470 --> 00:23:01,340 then he could have his way. 508 00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:05,810 - It was like we were in this competition. 509 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:08,650 And when I look at somebody who's 510 00:23:08,750 --> 00:23:12,050 struggling to create all this drama amongst people 511 00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:14,350 so he can feel like people are fighting over him, 512 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:17,590 I'm like, "what hole are you trying to fill?" 513 00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:21,930 [dramatic music] 514 00:23:22,030 --> 00:23:24,860 [moody music] 515 00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:27,500 ♪ ♪ 516 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,000 - my name is richard bann, 517 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,770 and I was lucky enough to meet hugh hefner in 1990. 518 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:36,110 And I knew him as one of his closest personal friends 519 00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:37,180 until he died. 520 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,150 ♪ ♪ 521 00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:43,120 as a kid, he was uncomfortable approaching young ladies. 522 00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:44,950 And he didn't always succeed. 523 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:47,350 In high school, 524 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:52,020 he was gonna invite betty conklin to a hayride. 525 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:53,630 And she rejected him. 526 00:23:55,030 --> 00:23:58,200 She went instead with one of his close friends. 527 00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:01,970 This was a watershed event in his life. 528 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:05,200 What he did was he reinvented himself. 529 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:08,610 He changed his wardrobe, he changed the way he spoke 530 00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:11,910 in hopes of being able to attract 531 00:24:12,010 --> 00:24:15,010 someone like betty conklin. 532 00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:17,320 - I'm a rebel. 533 00:24:17,420 --> 00:24:20,150 A man ought to work hard and play hard too 534 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:22,520 because you only get one time around in this old world, 535 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,220 and if you don't make the most of it, 536 00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:26,090 you've got no one to blame but yourself. 537 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,130 - Betty conklin represented 538 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:35,400 the "citizen kane" rosebud of his life. 539 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:39,870 She was the template for the girl next door. 540 00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:44,310 Hef created "playboy" magazine and this whole empire 541 00:24:44,410 --> 00:24:46,580 to work out the failed relationship 542 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,780 he had with betty conklin. 543 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,150 - With hef, I don't really know what's true or what's not. 544 00:24:55,390 --> 00:24:56,960 He would tell people in the media 545 00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:58,390 and, of course, they loved to run with that 546 00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:01,060 as like the moment that changed everything. 547 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,160 But it's not just a girl invited somebody else 548 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:05,760 to a hayride in high school. 549 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:08,300 The way he treats people, 550 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,770 there's gotta be something more going on 551 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:12,370 under the surface. 552 00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:14,710 There's got to be something darker. 553 00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:17,180 Because when I was there, 554 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,750 I felt like he wanted to have control over me 555 00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:24,150 and the other women who were there. 556 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,820 - Hef wanted to know, 557 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,690 "how does somebody control somebody?" 558 00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:34,290 when we first started dating in the late '70s, 559 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,060 he was fascinated and obsessed with charles manson. 560 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,530 ♪ ♪ 561 00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:42,000 couldn't talk enough about him. 562 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:43,800 How does this guy have these women 563 00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,070 that have been in jail for how many years 564 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:47,910 and when they have a chance to get out, 565 00:25:48,010 --> 00:25:49,040 they're still adoring him, 566 00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:51,180 and they will till the day they die. 567 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,650 And hef liked that. 568 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,980 - In hef's film collection, 569 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,920 he even had the manson family "home videos" 570 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:00,390 made before the murders, 571 00:26:00,490 --> 00:26:03,360 the girls with guns and knives out at the ranch. 572 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:04,660 - You have to know it so that 573 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,630 you could pick it up any second and shoot. 574 00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:08,790 - There were so many similarities-- 575 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,130 the way the girls followed everything he said, 576 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:14,370 and we were all one big happy family. 577 00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:16,840 ♪ ♪ 578 00:26:16,940 --> 00:26:18,100 he would say things like, 579 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:20,270 "if you can get along with everybody, 580 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:23,580 we can be together forever." 581 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,710 that's how he reeled me in. I wasn't gay. 582 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:31,320 But he would whisper in my ear, you know, "go talk to her. 583 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:34,920 Go talk to her and see if she wants to party." 584 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:38,090 finally, one day, I just, "oh, geez! 585 00:26:38,190 --> 00:26:40,490 Okay. I'll try it once." 586 00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:45,600 - yeah. Yeah. 587 00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:48,570 He was happy. 588 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:52,200 That was exactly what he had asked for so long. 589 00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:55,470 But also, that wasn't enough. 590 00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:58,440 He had to have more and more and more. 591 00:26:58,550 --> 00:27:01,010 It just got ugly 592 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,180 because I felt like I was a ringmaster. 593 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,320 I felt like I had to put the show on every night. 594 00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:07,920 And it's the same script. 595 00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:11,760 "welcome to the family. We're embracing you." 596 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:13,430 it was all a lie. 597 00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:16,700 I watched girl after girl after girl show up, 598 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,600 fresh face, adorable, and then... 599 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:21,700 Their beauty just washed away. 600 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,740 They were tired. 601 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,340 I saw clearly that we were nothing to him. 602 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280 Hugh went through decades of young girls, decades. 603 00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:35,250 - He said to me, "what I do is 604 00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:38,380 I find somebody whose looks I like, 605 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:41,990 that I'm really attracted to, for all the obvious reasons, 606 00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:46,930 and then I project onto them whatever it is I want to see 607 00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:48,960 and I block out everything else." 608 00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:52,030 - by the early 2000s, 609 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:55,130 the girlfriends were always these interchangeable, 610 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,670 replaceable sex objects to hefner. 611 00:27:59,170 --> 00:28:01,070 - I think it probably gave him a feeling 612 00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:04,640 of being more in control if we all looked identical. 613 00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,810 - How do you tell each other apart? 614 00:28:06,910 --> 00:28:08,780 'cause y'all have the same kind of blonde hair. 615 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,050 - Yeah. 616 00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:11,250 - The plastic surgery amongst the girlfriends 617 00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:12,750 in the mansion was compulsive. 618 00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:16,020 Everybody was doing it with very few exceptions. 619 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,990 I remember being made to feel 620 00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:21,130 like I needed to look exactly like everybody else. 621 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:23,560 When I asked him if I could ever test for playmate, 622 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:26,400 he said I'm just not photogenic enough. 623 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,170 So of course, what that does to you is it makes you wonder, 624 00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:30,500 "wow, what's wrong with me? 625 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,340 Like, what do I need to get fixed?" 626 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:36,740 - holly, she was getting her nose done and her this done 627 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,210 and--you know, she wanted all this stuff done 628 00:28:39,310 --> 00:28:41,980 and so he paid for it. 629 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,120 - I've always been very honest about it. 630 00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:45,180 I've had my boobs and my nose done. 631 00:28:47,050 --> 00:28:49,860 I got to a point not too far into my time there-- 632 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,160 I think I was only like six months in-- 633 00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:53,630 where I kind of broke under that pressure 634 00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:55,790 and being made to feel like I needed to look 635 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,600 exactly like everybody else. 636 00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:00,300 My hair was really long naturally, 637 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,700 and I was just like, "I'm gonna go chop my hair off 638 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,670 so I can at least look a little different." 639 00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:06,340 - ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ 640 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,110 - I came back with short hair, 641 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:10,780 and he flipped out on me. 642 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,510 And he was screaming at me 643 00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:16,680 and said it made me look old, hard, and cheap. 644 00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:19,650 - I remember when she cut her hair. 645 00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:22,120 He was very unhappy about it. 646 00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:25,560 Yeah, his world. 647 00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,030 - Hef would be pretty abrasive 648 00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:30,130 in the way he said things to holly. 649 00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:32,600 She came down with red lipstick one time 650 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:33,970 and he like flipped out 651 00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:35,600 and said he hated red lipstick on girls, 652 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,500 needed to take it off right away, 653 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:39,870 even though other people could wear red lipstick 654 00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:41,970 and it didn't seem to bother him. 655 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,780 I could definitely see that she was getting depressed and sad 656 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,750 and her demeanor was starting to change. 657 00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:52,480 - I felt like I was just in this cycle of gross things, 658 00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:54,820 and I didn't know what to do. 659 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,260 [heavy music] 660 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,960 - you know, over the years, I knew a lot of girlfriends. 661 00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:06,500 You know who's there for hef and who's there just because 662 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,470 they want a place to stay and a little money every week. 663 00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:11,140 And, you know, you just get to a point 664 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,870 where you know who's who. 665 00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:15,370 And what's funny with holly, 666 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,480 she never let on if she was unhappy. 667 00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:21,610 - You're in a relationship with hugh hefner 668 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,950 inside the playboy mansion. 669 00:30:23,050 --> 00:30:25,050 You signed up for that journey, 670 00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:27,850 and you knew you signed up for that journey. 671 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,690 - If you're not happy, pack up your stuff and go. 672 00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:35,930 Like you could have walked out the door any time. 673 00:30:36,030 --> 00:30:38,560 ♪ ♪ 674 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,170 - his friends were always so supportive 675 00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:43,770 and just speaking so highly of him. 676 00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:46,440 But that's the only side of him they ever saw. 677 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:49,410 They had no idea what was going on behind closed doors 678 00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:51,510 and how the women were treated. 679 00:30:53,150 --> 00:30:56,110 When I lived at the mansion, I was afraid to leave. 680 00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:57,620 Something that was always lingering 681 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,420 in the back of my mind, I think, 682 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,420 since the very beginning was that if I left, 683 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,320 there was just this mountain of revenge porn 684 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:07,290 just waiting to come out. 685 00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:09,630 When you would go out with hef, 686 00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:12,360 he's taking all kinds of naked pictures of these women 687 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:14,500 when we're wasted out of our minds. 688 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,170 And he would print out, like, 689 00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:18,300 eight copies for him and all the women. 690 00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:21,710 You would pass them around, and it's just gross. 691 00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:25,380 I drank pretty heavily every night we went out. 692 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,850 It was my way of coping with the situation 693 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:29,550 after we got back home. 694 00:31:29,650 --> 00:31:31,650 The other girlfriends would always try 695 00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:33,620 and bring other girls home from nightclubs 696 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,820 and get other girls to come upstairs. 697 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,060 And I wasn't into that. 698 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,130 The drama between me and the other women became so bad. 699 00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:44,600 Like, imagine having sex with somebody 700 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:47,100 in a room full of women who all hate you 701 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,300 and you know they're all talking [bleep] about you. 702 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:53,410 And there was a point where I just felt really low. 703 00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:56,440 Like, I didn't feel like I had any options. 704 00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:58,580 ♪ ♪ 705 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,350 I remember there was a point in time a couple years in, 706 00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:03,880 after we had gone out 707 00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:06,020 and after we'd all been in the bedroom, 708 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,490 everybody's leaving and walking out, 709 00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:09,590 and I was in the bathtub, 710 00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:11,920 and I just wanted to drown myself. 711 00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:15,390 ♪ ♪ 712 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,930 I just felt like I was in this cycle of misery. 713 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,240 And, you know, those feelings would never last long. 714 00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:25,740 But you have those moments like, 715 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,670 "what did I gain from this experience?" 716 00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:29,510 you know? I knew there would be something. 717 00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:31,840 I always had that faith that there would be something 718 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,010 that would make it worth it. 719 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:39,120 - These are so sexy. I love 'em. 720 00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:41,420 Yeah, I think you got a lotta good stuff. 721 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,820 The first season of "girls next door" came out in 2005, 722 00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:47,830 and it wasn't a perfect experience by any means, 723 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:50,260 but it totally saved my life. 724 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,730 - Come on, honey. Jump in. 725 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,030 - "the girls next door" happened at a time 726 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:58,340 when playboy had lost its feet. 727 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640 The internet, celebrity culture, 728 00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:03,410 all these things-- it was like an earthquake 729 00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:05,210 and hef was trying to figure out, 730 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:07,210 "well, how do we stay relevant?" 731 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:10,180 - hef's documentarian friend 732 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,290 did all kinds of personality interviews with everybody, 733 00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:15,450 including us three girls. 734 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,060 - Here we go! Nice. 735 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,560 - And someone at e! Said, "that's my show. 736 00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:22,960 I wanna see the mansion 737 00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:25,300 through the eyes of those three girls." 738 00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:27,730 - "the girls next door" show did a lot 739 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,200 for the playboy brand. 740 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:30,700 - We knew there would be some interest 741 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,840 because it was the playboy mansion. 742 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:34,510 What I did not anticipate 743 00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:35,840 was how hugely popular it would become 744 00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:38,610 and particularly how hugely popular with young women. 745 00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:41,910 ♪ ♪ 746 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:44,050 - the show gave me confidence. 747 00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:45,820 It gave me a sense of purpose. 748 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,620 The contrast between like the first 3 years I lived there 749 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,420 and like the last 3 1/2 years, it was--it was night and day. 750 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:55,660 I can see myself getting my self-esteem back. 751 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,460 I had a job at the playboy studio for the show, 752 00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:01,400 and I ended up really loving it. 753 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,040 I seemed like I'm on my way to being a little more normal, 754 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:06,540 like a little more of a functional human. 755 00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:09,980 It felt great to be able to make the show. 756 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480 It really was a lot of fun. 757 00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:14,450 I was excited when I finally got a chance 758 00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:16,580 to be in the magazine. 759 00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:20,350 But we weren't paid for the first order of episodes 760 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,690 for "the girls next door." 761 00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:23,990 - they made it very clear to us 762 00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:26,590 that if we didn't wanna do it, 763 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,230 there would be a million girls 764 00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:30,060 that would wanna take our place. 765 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,030 - Eventually, we did get paid. 766 00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:35,170 But we were told one day that we needed to sign contracts 767 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:37,270 and we needed to sign them that day 768 00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:39,200 or e! Wasn't going to renew the show, 769 00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:40,940 which I just didn't want to sign a contract 770 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,540 that, in essence, was signing a contract 771 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,380 to be in a relationship, since the show 772 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,810 was about three girls he was dating. 773 00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:49,150 That felt very prostitute-ish to me. 774 00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:52,350 - I was in the shower, and all of a sudden, 775 00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:53,850 hef is standing there, 776 00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:55,550 and he opens up the shower door, 777 00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:57,190 and he's like, "why aren't you signing this contract?! 778 00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:58,720 I need you to sign this contract!" 779 00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:01,590 - so we all signed it. 780 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:05,100 But I consider that signing under duress. 781 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,800 - I signed the contract, crying and soaking wet. 782 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:12,640 - Mm-hmm. 783 00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:16,910 - I always find the perfect card. 784 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:20,210 - "still the one I love to catch myself dreaming about. 785 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:24,080 "still the one I love to talk things over with. 786 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,280 Still the one--" [holly sobbing] 787 00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:27,250 huh? You don't want me to read it? 788 00:35:27,350 --> 00:35:30,060 - No. - Oh--aw! 789 00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:35,290 - Oh, no, I was embarrassed and stressed. 790 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,630 Like, he's reading this card aloud that I got him, 791 00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:40,100 and I just feel [bleep] stupid 792 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,200 because, like, what even is this? 793 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,200 Like I'm supposed to be filming like this romantic scene, 794 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,740 but he's, like, dating other people. 795 00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:52,540 The show was doing a lot for me both for my self-esteem 796 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:54,250 and just as far as other opportunities 797 00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:55,550 that would come to be later. 798 00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:57,180 But I wasn't really seeing that. 799 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,620 I still felt like I was very stuck in the same situation. 800 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,920 - Hef was definitely very needy of holly's time, 801 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:07,860 and he always wanted her next to him. 802 00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:10,700 For instance, I remember we went to this event 803 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,160 on the "queen mary." 804 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:13,800 we were filming "girls next door." 805 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,740 we got hef to spend the night on the "queen mary," 806 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,070 and we were so excited. 807 00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:19,740 And we were gonna go run around the ship 808 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,010 in our pajamas, and so we were like, 809 00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:23,980 "oh, holly, you have to come with us." 810 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,140 and he told her no, she couldn't go 811 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:27,780 and like grabbed her hair. 812 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,580 She was like leaning down, and he like pulled her hair 813 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,650 was like, "no. You're not going." 814 00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:33,220 she needed to be there with him, 815 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,650 otherwise, he would have been alone in his room. 816 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,960 And that wouldn't have been okay with him. 817 00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:40,590 ♪ ♪ 818 00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:44,830 - in 2008, my last year there, the other girls were leaving. 819 00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:47,300 It looked like it was just going to be me. 820 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,600 I finally thought I had got 821 00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:50,100 what I wanted out of this situation 822 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,370 and was finally like in this committed relationship. 823 00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:58,010 But during that time period, he started 824 00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:00,110 getting even meaner. 825 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,780 - One day, I had all these messages from holly 826 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,920 that her and hef had an altercation 827 00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:07,990 downstairs during dinner, and she got up to walk away 828 00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:12,360 and he said, "quit being such a bitch." 829 00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:15,760 but not bitch. The c word. Which I hate that word. 830 00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:18,230 So I don't even wanna say it. Sounds so ugly. 831 00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:21,170 And that's it. She was done. 832 00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,470 - At that point, there were no women to pit me against. 833 00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:26,270 There was none of that left. 834 00:37:26,370 --> 00:37:28,740 And that's when I had the realization and I was like, 835 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,640 "whoa, he's been the problem the whole time." 836 00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:36,620 I had been locked into the mentality of the mansion 837 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,020 and had felt like 838 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920 there's no other future for me outside. 839 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:43,360 But I finally saw him for who he was, 840 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:45,690 and I had to go. 841 00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:49,260 I just felt it so strongly that I had to leave. 842 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:55,530 [moody music] 843 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:02,410 ♪ ♪ 844 00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:06,810 - the time at playboy really caused some damage. 845 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:10,720 I've had different types of therapy and stuff since I left. 846 00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:14,990 Other than some of the animals in the zoo, 847 00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:18,490 I can't really think of anything I miss. 848 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,660 When I decided to leave, it was pretty sudden. 849 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,430 So I wouldn't say it was so much that I had a plan. 850 00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:27,070 I just had more to fall back on. 851 00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:29,370 Like I'd been really careful with my money 852 00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:31,200 and making investments 853 00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:33,840 and I knew that there was at least a fan base 854 00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:35,340 for "the girls next door." 855 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,140 so maybe I could turn that into something. 856 00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:43,850 And it worked out really well. I did my own tv show. 857 00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:45,350 I'm out on my own in las vegas. 858 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:47,450 I star in a really awesome burlesque show 859 00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:50,160 called "peepshow" at planet hollywood, 860 00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:51,360 had kids, got married, 861 00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:55,990 basically did everything I wanted to do. 862 00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,160 But every single day of my life, 863 00:38:59,270 --> 00:39:00,800 I would have a stranger approach me 864 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:02,100 and ask, "how's hef?" 865 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,740 and I would always say, "oh, he's good. He's great." 866 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,870 I really started to feel terrible about it 867 00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:09,170 and like I was living a lie. 868 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,480 And after my book came out, 869 00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:15,050 no one ever came up to me again and asked how's hef? 870 00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:17,380 My book wasn't motivated by money at all. 871 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,520 It wasn't motivated by revenge. 872 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:21,690 I knew he was in a place 873 00:39:21,790 --> 00:39:23,920 where he didn't really answer to anyone. 874 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:27,060 He wasn't necessarily cancelable, so to speak. 875 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,760 It was strictly for me 876 00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:31,800 so I wouldn't feel bound to be living this lie 877 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,830 where I constantly have to say things were great 878 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:36,940 when I was there when they weren't. 879 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,910 What I love about my book 880 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:46,540 is I feel some people are finding it 881 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:49,780 and they read it and they recognize parallel situations 882 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,280 in emotionally abusive relationships 883 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:52,580 that they might be in. 884 00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:54,350 I've heard a lot of feedback like that. 885 00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:58,290 And I love it that people are talking about abuses of power 886 00:39:58,390 --> 00:40:01,290 and imbalances in relationships. 887 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,330 And I hope that helps some people. 888 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,870 - We are currently in an era 889 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:10,340 where we're breaking down that wall of misogyny. 890 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,310 Hef was able to control women 891 00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:18,680 under the disguise of his money and power. 892 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:20,210 - Yeah, for sure. 893 00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:23,450 - Holly madison got money, got fame, 894 00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:25,750 got everything she wanted. 895 00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:29,090 So I'm worried that holly will just cause a lot of eyerolling 896 00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:31,520 and therefore people won't really take this seriously. 897 00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:35,160 - When holly was his girlfriend, 898 00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:36,800 he was old by then. 899 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:40,230 Hef was a lot younger when I started dating him. 900 00:40:40,330 --> 00:40:44,340 My experiences with him got pretty scary at times. 901 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,340 - We love you, hef! 902 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,310 - Didn't matter how many people you brought in-- 903 00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:51,110 it would only satisfy him for the moment 904 00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:53,410 and then he'd have to find something bigger, 905 00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:55,550 better, naughtier. 906 00:40:55,650 --> 00:40:57,150 He was like a vampire. 907 00:40:57,250 --> 00:41:00,820 He sucked the life out of all these young girls for decades. 908 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,690 - If those rocks could talk, the tales they would tell. 909 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:07,360 - I know some really deep dark secrets. 910 00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:09,160 - I can't give this up. 911 00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:12,860 - And now we're speaking up. It's all gonna come out. 70675

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