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- All right. Let's get started.
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- Okay. Yeah,
I think I need to
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fix my eyeliner
a little bit though.
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[moody music]
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♪ ♪
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- take two [murmurs].
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- It's really hard to separate
how the playboy world
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affected how I feel
about the way I look
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and just
what's authentic to me.
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People might think,
"oh, you must have felt great
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'cause you were on tv
and you were famous."
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they think that I should
have known
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exactly what
I was getting into.
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Like, "whoa, you're stepping
into a cult there."
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but I absolutely did not.
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In my early 20s,
I didn't realize
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that getting into the playboy
world was a dangerous choice.
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[engine revving]
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- my name is hugh hefner.
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I'm editor/publisher
of "playboy" magazine.
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- When hugh hefner
was just 27,
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he fashioned himself
and "playboy"
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as the face of
sexual liberation.
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- Playboy is one of
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the most famous
brand names in the world.
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- I would like to be
remembered as somebody
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who played some positive part
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in changing the social,
sexual values of my time.
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- I believe that hef pulled
one over on the whole world.
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- The fantasy of playboy
that he created
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did not allow for
the consent of the women.
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- When it came to
hefner's buddies,
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you had to keep
those secrets quiet.
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- What have you got for free?
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- When you get someone
that powerful,
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anything could happen.
Anything.
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- The people
who were really there,
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they're the ones
who know the real truth.
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- I want to be a voice
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for the women that suffered
the most at his hands.
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[dramatic chords]
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- ♪ come on-a my house ♪
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♪ to my house ♪
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♪ I'm gonna give you candy ♪
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♪ hey ♪
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♪ come on-a my house,
my house, a-come on ♪
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- this was the episode
where, when I saw it,
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I thought I was so fat in it
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because I always felt like
I had to watch,
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like, every tiny little thing
about my appearance.
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I was one of hugh hefner's
multiple girlfriends,
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and I starred in a show called
"the girls next door."
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I feel like,
on "girls next door,"
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hef was portrayed
as like a kindly grandpa.
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That's not how he is.
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It would make me so angry
how manipulative he was.
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Hef controlled
every aspect of our life.
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And after I left the mansion,
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I can't really explain to you
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how strong the feeling
was in me
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that I needed
to get my story out.
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- She has a new book out
that is making waves
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and upsetting hef.
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It's called
"down the rabbit hole:
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Curious adventures
and cautionary tales
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of a former playboy bunny."
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- you know, I think when
I came out with my story,
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a lot of people were
really hostile toward it.
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They would say, "oh, you're
talking all this [bleep].
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You were so happy there.
You loved being there."
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because so many people who are
part of that playboy world,
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they don't want anything
tarnishing
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like that golden bubble
in their life.
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[somber music]
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- I knew hugh hefner
for 44 years.
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He was the one
that walked me down the aisle
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when I got married to joel.
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- I had 27 years
at the mansion.
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God love holly, I hope
she has a wonderful life.
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But what she did in her book
was a complete affront to hef
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and everything he stood for.
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- She seemed like
she really liked him,
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that she really
cared about him.
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I don't know why she would
write a book like that.
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- People want to villainize
women in these situations.
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But I had so much belief
in myself before I met hef.
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And then it was just shattered.
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I want people to know why
I felt like I couldn't leave
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and why I chose to get in that
situation in the first place.
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[upbeat dance music]
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- we playmates have
the secret to happiness.
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- The secret that brings you
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the world's most
beautiful women.
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- And their outrageous
video--free.
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All: Free?
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- Is this like a lamp
you rub or something?
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- No, it's playboy.
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[moody music]
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- growing up,
they used to have,
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believe it or not,
playboy commercials on tv,
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and they would show videos
of these women
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and they were always,
like, so flattering.
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And I was like, "wow, I want
to look like that."
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ever since I was a kid,
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I've had a really
difficult time
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connecting with other people.
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I grew up in a very,
very small town in alaska,
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basically, you know, living
in the woods at certain points.
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Every couple years,
we would move,
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I'd be introduced
to a new place.
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I never really felt like
I fit in there.
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I'm also not quite
neurotypical,
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which I was only
recently diagnosed.
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Like, obviously, I've been
that way my whole life.
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But a few years back,
my ex called my mom.
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He was like,
"so I can't connect with her.
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Like, what is wrong with her?
Blah, blah, blah."
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and she was like,
"well, you know,
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I'm pretty sure
she has asperger's."
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and then
I'm like looking it up
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and like talking to my doctor
about it.
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I'm like,
"oh, this is 100% me, 100%."
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and I've just kind of
been looking back
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and seeing everything
through that lens now.
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And I think I was drawn
to try to be in the spotlight
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because I felt like
if I could be famous,
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that would be a shortcut
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to feeling a connection
with people
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because we feel connected
to celebrities.
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♪ ♪
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I was very much attracted to
like the anna nicole smiths,
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who was a supermodel
at the time,
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and the jenny mccarthys
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who was like
the it girl on mtv
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and the pamela andersons
who was like--
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she was the biggest tv star
at the time.
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And kind of this
common denominator you notice
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is they all started out
as playmates.
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It made a lot of sense
to infer that,
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"oh, if I start out at playboy,
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I could end up like that too
because they did."
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♪ ♪
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the next time I encountered
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anything from
the playboy world
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was when I moved to california,
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I was working for
hawaiian tropic as a model.
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Mark saginor, hef's
personal doctor at the time,
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was at one of
the hawaiian tropic contests
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and he extended an invitation
to a playboy party
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to all the women
participating.
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I was really excited to go
because, at the time,
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the playboy parties
were really, really exclusive.
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You saw celebrities
everywhere.
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You saw playmates you
recognized from the magazine.
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And of course,
I saw hef.
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At that point, everybody was
giving him a ton of attention
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because he was going out
to nightclubs
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several times a week
with seven girlfriends.
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- These are my girlfriends.
- Every one of them
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is your girlfriend?
- Yes.
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- The image I got of hef
and his girlfriends
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was one of a revolving door.
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The women would come in,
they would all get centerfolds.
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Some of them would move on
to better things.
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And it just seemed like
everyone was happy with that.
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♪ ♪
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and then in summer of 2001,
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I got invited to the pool
parties that they would have
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on sundays
at the playboy mansion,
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and I just saw this really
wholesome atmosphere.
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It was really surprising.
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The whole social circle
at the mansion
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just seemed like such a happy
little family of friends.
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So for somebody
who has a horrible time
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connecting with other people
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to kind of
fall into this place
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that feels like
a little community instantly
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is very attractive.
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- On sundays, she would sit
there two or three chairs down
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from where
we would play backgammon.
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I remember her talking
to alison and asking her,
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"how do I become a girlfriend?"
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- hef really didn't, like,
pick her out.
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She basically, you know,
came to him.
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- I wasn't physically
attracted to hef,
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but I did find him
very charming.
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And I feel like
one of the reasons I was
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so able to buy into being able
to have this relationship
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with an older person
is I thought,
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"well, I never like connected
with guys my own age.
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"so maybe this is
what's meant to happen.
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Maybe this is a better fit."
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♪ ♪
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and in the amount of time
I was going to parties there,
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which is about a year's
worth of time,
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it was made obvious to me
that I could join the group
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anytime I wanted through
some of the other women.
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And of course, all the girls
behind the scenes were saying
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they didn't really sleep
with him
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and it's just all publicity.
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And I felt like that
was probably the case.
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- Does he bang any of them?
- Um...I don't know.
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- You don't know?
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- I thought living at the
mansion would be very cozy.
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I felt like it would be
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this really one-of-a-kind
amazing sorority.
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People always want to point
to the money and the luxury
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and--you know, that was fine.
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But what really attracted me
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was the sense
of having a community
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and a support system.
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And people don't recognize
how alluring that can be.
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The first night I went out
with hef and the girls,
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I just kind of had it
in my mind that,
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you know,
I was gonna see what happened,
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and if I wasn't
comfortable with it,
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I didn't have to do anything.
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You know, we went out
to a nightclub.
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I was sitting next to hef,
and he leaned over
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and he asked me
if I wanted to take a quaalude.
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I said something like,
"no, I don't do drugs."
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and he goes, "yeah,
I typically don't either.
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"but, you know,
they used to call these
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thigh openers in the '70s."
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I just thought
it was really weird.
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That night, I drank a lot
'cause I was nervous.
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Back at the house,
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after I ended up
going upstairs with them...
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- I don't really wanna
talk about it.
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[moody music]
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- there was definitely no,
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like, romance or seduction
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or anything like that.
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[uneasy music]
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it was dark in the room.
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But there was a giant movie
screen of porn
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in front of the bed.
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He was in the middle
of the bed.
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And then the women
were surrounding him,
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but they're all backlit.
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[laughter]
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I'd never had casual sex
with anybody before.
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I feel like
I was kind of really asexual.
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So maybe I just
wasn't ready for that?
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♪ ♪
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it was all very mechanical
and robotic,
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and you would kind of follow
the other women's lead.
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And it was really gross to me
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how hef didn't wanna use
use protection.
250
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♪ ♪
251
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the impact it had on me
was so heavy.
252
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I never expected to be
253
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the first person
to have sex that night
254
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or to be like pushed into it.
255
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The next morning,
256
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I definitely felt humiliated
by the experience.
257
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But in the beginning,
even after that night,
258
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like, I still had this idea
and this fantasy of, like,
259
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all of us
being like sorority sisters
260
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and we're all gonna get along.
261
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I think sometimes when
you're not in control at all,
262
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you can lean into
a bad situation more
263
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because you're almost
fooling yourself
264
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by thinking you are in control.
265
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I think it's a trauma response.
266
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So I decided to move
into the mansion.
267
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Obviously, I told people,
'cause I moved,
268
00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:37,520
and I was just shocked
at how everyone reacted.
269
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When you say you're like dating
hugh hefner or whatever,
270
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people assume you're getting
a money exchange for sex
271
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and they want to put you
in a corner
272
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and, you know,
call you a hooker or whatever.
273
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So I know there's
that judgement out there.
274
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And I just immediately
felt dirty
275
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and like I would be judged
for the rest of my life
276
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for making this decision.
277
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And I never thought of it
that way at all.
278
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I thought of myself
as involved with one man.
279
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I did enjoy
living at his house,
280
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but it wasn't in a direct
exchange of money for sex
281
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or anything like that.
282
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I don't look down
on sex workers.
283
00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:14,790
But it does bug me that people
want to put me in that corner
284
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because I don't feel like
285
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I was even making
that decision, really.
286
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I had unintentionally branded
myself by moving in there.
287
00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:28,770
And if I thought
my life was hard before,
288
00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:31,940
it was gonna be
really hard if I left.
289
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And it made me
just want to, like,
290
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turn the situation
right somehow.
291
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And I didn't know
how to do that.
292
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- ♪ we may be wrong but ♪
293
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♪ we think
you're wonderful ♪
294
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[cheers and applause]
295
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- at the mansion,
the indoctrination, I feel,
296
00:13:50,930 --> 00:13:53,130
starts almost immediately
when you're there
297
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and you start hearing
about how wonderful hef is
298
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from his circle of friends.
299
00:13:58,930 --> 00:14:02,500
- Hef provided
a stunning environment.
300
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He was a loving, decent,
wonderful man,
301
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incredible friend.
302
00:14:07,510 --> 00:14:10,880
- He is such a great man
303
00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:13,480
with such a great personality,
304
00:14:13,580 --> 00:14:15,480
and everyone was drawn to him.
305
00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:18,790
- Hef was a gracious man.
306
00:14:18,890 --> 00:14:20,050
And he loved women.
307
00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,390
He loved them.
308
00:14:21,490 --> 00:14:23,920
- He treated women with love
309
00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:26,690
and honor and respect.
310
00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,230
And I think that hef
always was a romanticist.
311
00:14:31,330 --> 00:14:33,100
- I'm a romantic fool.
312
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,170
I mean, I was raised
in that impossible world
313
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where the words of the songs
are true.
314
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And the romantic songs,
the cole porter
315
00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:42,580
and the--you know,
the gershwin.
316
00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:45,580
- So in the beginning,
317
00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,410
hef is what you would now
call a love bomber.
318
00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,350
He's somebody who tells you
I love you almost immediately.
319
00:14:50,450 --> 00:14:53,090
He was always telling me,
you know, how special I was
320
00:14:53,190 --> 00:14:54,920
and you're so giving
for your age.
321
00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,890
And, you know,
he really made me feel like
322
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I was special and rare.
323
00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:04,160
- You had no idea
you were being brainwashed.
324
00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:06,770
Now that's a little girl
in love.
325
00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:08,500
I was in heaven.
326
00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:11,870
I was hef's girlfriend
in the '70s
327
00:15:11,970 --> 00:15:13,840
and early '80s for five years.
328
00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:15,310
♪ ♪
329
00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:16,640
he liked the old movies,
330
00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:20,110
and it's like
he would become a character
331
00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:24,820
and do the romantic things
he saw in the movies.
332
00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,620
You know,
he'd take me in his arms,
333
00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,990
and we'd dance around
the game room.
334
00:15:30,090 --> 00:15:31,590
And he said,
"you're the first girl
335
00:15:31,690 --> 00:15:35,860
I've liked enough to consider
having a baby with."
336
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,670
that was his romantic way.
337
00:15:38,770 --> 00:15:41,470
And people supported it.
338
00:15:41,570 --> 00:15:44,770
The secretaries or whatever--
they manipulated the girls.
339
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:47,770
They--they spoke highly of him.
340
00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,580
- He comes off, you know,
caring and generous,
341
00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,340
especially when you see him
in that atmosphere
342
00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:54,980
because he's providing this
good time for all his friends.
343
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,880
And, you know,
they glow about him.
344
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:59,420
[dynamic music]
345
00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,020
and you just start to build
this picture in your head
346
00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,120
of somebody
who can really do no wrong.
347
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:08,260
And now, looking back,
on my time at playboy,
348
00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,030
it reminds me of a cult.
349
00:16:10,130 --> 00:16:12,700
[dramatic musical sting]
350
00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,910
the reason I think
the mansion was very cultlike,
351
00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:20,510
looking back on it,
352
00:16:20,610 --> 00:16:22,510
is because we were all
353
00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:24,340
kind of gaslit
354
00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:28,780
and expected to think of hef
as like this really good guy.
355
00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,220
And you started to feel like,
"oh, he's not
356
00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,550
what they say in the media.
He's just a nice man."
357
00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:35,360
♪ ♪
358
00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:38,290
another thing that reminds me
of a cult is how it was so...
359
00:16:38,390 --> 00:16:41,330
Easy to get isolated
from the outside world there.
360
00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:44,230
You had a 9:00 curfew.
361
00:16:44,330 --> 00:16:48,330
You were encouraged
to not have friends over.
362
00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,800
You weren't really
allowed to leave
363
00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:51,470
unless it was like
a family holiday.
364
00:16:51,570 --> 00:16:54,070
- Are there are rules like can
you have boyfriends at all?
365
00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:55,240
- No.
- No.
366
00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:56,940
- You're not allowed to?
- Hef is our boyfriend.
367
00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:58,510
- How do you know when you're
called to the master bedroom?
368
00:16:58,610 --> 00:17:00,180
Do you have nights?
Women: Yeah.
369
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,480
- The sex always happened
kind of like the same time
370
00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:04,420
the same night.
371
00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,220
We would go out to a club
every Wednesday and Friday,
372
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,520
and that would be expected
when we got home.
373
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:12,360
I kept my waitressing job
at just like one day a week
374
00:17:12,460 --> 00:17:15,630
because I wanted just to have
something easy to go back to
375
00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:17,230
should things not work out.
376
00:17:17,330 --> 00:17:18,770
And he said it made him jealous
377
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:21,530
and he would appreciate it
if I quit my job.
378
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,140
So instead, we were given
$1,000 a week as an allowance.
379
00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:29,440
- I know for a fact the rules
she had to follow were true.
380
00:17:29,540 --> 00:17:31,210
You're imprisoned
in that playboy, like,
381
00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:33,880
you can't do
your own thing 100%.
382
00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:36,680
- When hefner was married
to kimberley,
383
00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:41,250
I'd invited kimberley
to a Sunday lunch at my house,
384
00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,360
but she was not really allowed
out of the mansion.
385
00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,060
So she arrived
with a bodyguard
386
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,430
who was constantly on
his telephone to mr. Hefner.
387
00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:52,900
"she's going up the stairs.
She's gone to the loo."
388
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,030
and I was like,
"is this a joke?"
389
00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:59,040
and she's like, "no, this
is--this is how it is."
390
00:17:59,140 --> 00:18:00,810
♪ ♪
391
00:18:00,910 --> 00:18:02,780
- I think in the very early
first few months
392
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,310
that I was there,
393
00:18:04,410 --> 00:18:06,250
even though not everything
was to my liking,
394
00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:11,180
I felt like I hadn't given the
situation enough of a chance.
395
00:18:11,290 --> 00:18:12,990
Love, love, love!
396
00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:15,490
So I tried really hard
to follow all the rules.
397
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:17,590
Welcome to the playboy mansion.
398
00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:19,260
I'm holly, and I'm here
to give you a tour.
399
00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,560
Come on with me.
I'll show you the game house.
400
00:18:21,660 --> 00:18:24,830
- I saw holly try very hard
401
00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:27,000
to be like the lady
of the mansion.
402
00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:28,630
- Every little boy's fantasy,
403
00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:30,870
a house devoted
entirely to games.
404
00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:32,740
We have old video games,
new ones.
405
00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,610
- She really tried to get into
the things that hef got into.
406
00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:38,780
- They had movie nights
407
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,110
on Friday,
Saturday, and Sunday.
408
00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,750
- 1939.
409
00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:44,420
"gone with the wind."
410
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:49,120
- she'd be there, and she'd be
very sweet to everybody.
411
00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:52,590
- One thing about me that was
different from the other women
412
00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:55,760
who lived there was
I was really quiet.
413
00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:58,030
I just liked to stay in,
414
00:18:58,130 --> 00:18:59,670
and I loved watching
the old movies
415
00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:01,630
that hef showed on Friday
and saturdays.
416
00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:04,100
I liked going down
to the buffet dinners
417
00:19:04,210 --> 00:19:05,270
and chatting with his friends
418
00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:07,310
or listening to them talk
or whatever.
419
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,810
- The other girls,
they were just there to party
420
00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:12,880
and have a good time.
421
00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:16,720
Holly was there to be
a real presence
422
00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:19,890
in the playboy mansion.
423
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:21,550
Holly just cared about hef.
424
00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,190
♪ ♪
425
00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:25,660
she was there
to look after him.
426
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,630
She was a good hostess
to his guests.
427
00:19:30,730 --> 00:19:33,370
I thought
she was right for him.
428
00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:36,640
- Within the first few months,
I went from being new
429
00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:40,610
to being like
hef's main girlfriend.
430
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:42,710
I wasn't into the multiple
girlfriend thing.
431
00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:45,010
It's not about them.
It's just about
432
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:47,050
I would obviously rather be
in a relationship
433
00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:48,850
where it's just me
and one other person.
434
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:52,150
I was expected to order
his drinks for him
435
00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:54,750
and like always stand
next to him in pictures
436
00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:57,220
and to move into his room.
437
00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,330
- Now, what is it about holly?
438
00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:01,460
- Well, I think,
despite the age disparity,
439
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,830
I think she's an old soul.
440
00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:04,630
I think we have
very common interests
441
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:08,530
in terms of the way
we enjoy spending our time.
442
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,740
She loves old classic films,
443
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,870
she loves the same kind
of music I love.
444
00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:14,840
- I think what switched for me
445
00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:16,940
was when hef started using me
as a tool and saying,
446
00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:18,610
"well, why can't you
just behave like holly?
447
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:20,050
"why can't you just show up
to all the movies?
448
00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:21,510
Why can't you do this
like her?"
449
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:23,980
then everybody hated me.
450
00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:25,820
One of the girlfriends
451
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,790
started working as a liaison
for this escort service.
452
00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:31,260
And she started
trying to recruit
453
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,060
all the other girlfriends.
454
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,360
When she was found out,
455
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:38,000
she thought it was me
who told on her, and it wasn't.
456
00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:39,630
And I remember I had the flu
457
00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:41,300
and I was laying down
in hef's room.
458
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,100
He was downstairs somewhere.
459
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,910
And she like comes up the bed
screaming in my face,
460
00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:47,210
and I like can barely move,
461
00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:50,010
so it's kind of like
a scary situation.
462
00:20:50,110 --> 00:20:51,480
And I kind of had a breakdown
463
00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:52,610
because I thought
she was gonna hit me,
464
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:55,210
and like I have to live
with these people.
465
00:20:57,020 --> 00:21:01,120
So I was completely isolated
until bridget came along.
466
00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:04,360
- Bridget, how did you
come aboard?
467
00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:06,590
- Um, I came to the mansion
pursuing to be in the magazine.
468
00:21:06,690 --> 00:21:08,260
I really wanted to be
a playmate
469
00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,700
and started going out
as the big party posse.
470
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,870
I think that holly
and I bonded because
471
00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:17,770
I was very clear about
not wanting her position.
472
00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:21,740
Some of the girlfriends would
have liked to take that spot.
473
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,210
They wanna just like
still break all the rules
474
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:26,210
but still get all the perks.
475
00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:28,080
I knew that holly
would want a life
476
00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:31,420
without all
the extra girlfriends.
477
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,350
- In five years from today,
holly, what are you doing?
478
00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:36,690
- Um, I wanna be married,
have kids,
479
00:21:36,790 --> 00:21:38,460
and still be working
at playboy.
480
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,790
- With hef?
- Yeah.
481
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:45,060
- I think I definitely thought
I was in love with hef,
482
00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:47,700
but it was
very stockholm syndrome.
483
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,600
Very stockholm syndrome.
484
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,140
- So stockholm syndrome is when
somebody starts to identify
485
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,710
with somebody who is
their captor in some way.
486
00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:59,380
And I feel like I did that
with hef 100%.
487
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,180
Like, I never blamed him for
any of the drama that went on.
488
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,790
I always blamed it
on the other women, you know.
489
00:22:05,890 --> 00:22:07,650
Hef was innocent in my eyes.
490
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,190
And then later, one of
the girls was telling me
491
00:22:11,290 --> 00:22:13,660
how hef always
pits the main girlfriend
492
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,130
against the other girls.
493
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:18,960
This situation was going on
for years before I came along.
494
00:22:19,070 --> 00:22:24,200
[dark music]
495
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:27,770
- what do you see?
- Patty and laura.
496
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,280
This must have been
the playmate party.
497
00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:32,310
And that's when I met
all these girls.
498
00:22:32,410 --> 00:22:36,320
And they were very,
very mean to me at this point.
499
00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:41,650
When I was hef's girlfriend,
every girl wanted my position.
500
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,260
See, all the girls
wanted to be in my shoes.
501
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,030
They wanted to be the girl
walking down the path with him,
502
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:48,360
sitting next to him.
503
00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:50,130
He would pit us
against each other.
504
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:53,630
You know, there was always
a little tiff
505
00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:55,270
going with different girls.
506
00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:59,370
And, you know, if everybody was
a little unsure of themselves,
507
00:22:59,470 --> 00:23:01,340
then he could have his way.
508
00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:05,810
- It was like we were
in this competition.
509
00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:08,650
And when I look at somebody
who's
510
00:23:08,750 --> 00:23:12,050
struggling to create
all this drama amongst people
511
00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:14,350
so he can feel like people
are fighting over him,
512
00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:17,590
I'm like, "what hole are you
trying to fill?"
513
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:21,930
[dramatic music]
514
00:23:22,030 --> 00:23:24,860
[moody music]
515
00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:27,500
♪ ♪
516
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,000
- my name is richard bann,
517
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,770
and I was lucky enough
to meet hugh hefner in 1990.
518
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:36,110
And I knew him as one
of his closest personal friends
519
00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:37,180
until he died.
520
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,150
♪ ♪
521
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:43,120
as a kid, he was uncomfortable
approaching young ladies.
522
00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:44,950
And he didn't always succeed.
523
00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:47,350
In high school,
524
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:52,020
he was gonna invite
betty conklin to a hayride.
525
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:53,630
And she rejected him.
526
00:23:55,030 --> 00:23:58,200
She went instead
with one of his close friends.
527
00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:01,970
This was a watershed event
in his life.
528
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:05,200
What he did
was he reinvented himself.
529
00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:08,610
He changed his wardrobe,
he changed the way he spoke
530
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:11,910
in hopes
of being able to attract
531
00:24:12,010 --> 00:24:15,010
someone like betty conklin.
532
00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:17,320
- I'm a rebel.
533
00:24:17,420 --> 00:24:20,150
A man ought to work hard
and play hard too
534
00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:22,520
because you only get one time
around in this old world,
535
00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,220
and if you don't make
the most of it,
536
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:26,090
you've got no one
to blame but yourself.
537
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,130
- Betty conklin represented
538
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:35,400
the "citizen kane" rosebud
of his life.
539
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:39,870
She was the template
for the girl next door.
540
00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:44,310
Hef created "playboy" magazine
and this whole empire
541
00:24:44,410 --> 00:24:46,580
to work out
the failed relationship
542
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,780
he had with betty conklin.
543
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,150
- With hef, I don't really know
what's true or what's not.
544
00:24:55,390 --> 00:24:56,960
He would tell people
in the media
545
00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:58,390
and, of course,
they loved to run with that
546
00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:01,060
as like the moment
that changed everything.
547
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,160
But it's not just a girl
invited somebody else
548
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:05,760
to a hayride in high school.
549
00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:08,300
The way he treats people,
550
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,770
there's gotta be something
more going on
551
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:12,370
under the surface.
552
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:14,710
There's got to be
something darker.
553
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:17,180
Because when I was there,
554
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,750
I felt like he wanted
to have control over me
555
00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:24,150
and the other women
who were there.
556
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,820
- Hef wanted to know,
557
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,690
"how does somebody
control somebody?"
558
00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:34,290
when we first started dating
in the late '70s,
559
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,060
he was fascinated and obsessed
with charles manson.
560
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,530
♪ ♪
561
00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:42,000
couldn't talk enough
about him.
562
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:43,800
How does this guy
have these women
563
00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,070
that have been in jail
for how many years
564
00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:47,910
and when they have a chance
to get out,
565
00:25:48,010 --> 00:25:49,040
they're still adoring him,
566
00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:51,180
and they will
till the day they die.
567
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,650
And hef liked that.
568
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,980
- In hef's film collection,
569
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,920
he even had
the manson family "home videos"
570
00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:00,390
made before the murders,
571
00:26:00,490 --> 00:26:03,360
the girls with guns
and knives out at the ranch.
572
00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:04,660
- You have to know it so that
573
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,630
you could pick it up
any second and shoot.
574
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:08,790
- There were so many
similarities--
575
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,130
the way the girls
followed everything he said,
576
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:14,370
and we were all
one big happy family.
577
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:16,840
♪ ♪
578
00:26:16,940 --> 00:26:18,100
he would say things like,
579
00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:20,270
"if you can get along
with everybody,
580
00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:23,580
we can be together forever."
581
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,710
that's how he reeled me in.
I wasn't gay.
582
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:31,320
But he would whisper in my ear,
you know, "go talk to her.
583
00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:34,920
Go talk to her and see
if she wants to party."
584
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:38,090
finally, one day,
I just, "oh, geez!
585
00:26:38,190 --> 00:26:40,490
Okay. I'll try it once."
586
00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:45,600
- yeah. Yeah.
587
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:48,570
He was happy.
588
00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:52,200
That was exactly
what he had asked for so long.
589
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:55,470
But also, that wasn't enough.
590
00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:58,440
He had to have more
and more and more.
591
00:26:58,550 --> 00:27:01,010
It just got ugly
592
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,180
because I felt like
I was a ringmaster.
593
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,320
I felt like I had to put
the show on every night.
594
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:07,920
And it's the same script.
595
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:11,760
"welcome to the family.
We're embracing you."
596
00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:13,430
it was all a lie.
597
00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:16,700
I watched girl after girl
after girl show up,
598
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,600
fresh face, adorable,
and then...
599
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:21,700
Their beauty just washed away.
600
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,740
They were tired.
601
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,340
I saw clearly that
we were nothing to him.
602
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Hugh went through decades
of young girls, decades.
603
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:35,250
- He said to me,
"what I do is
604
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:38,380
I find somebody
whose looks I like,
605
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:41,990
that I'm really attracted to,
for all the obvious reasons,
606
00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:46,930
and then I project onto them
whatever it is I want to see
607
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:48,960
and I block out
everything else."
608
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:52,030
- by the early 2000s,
609
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:55,130
the girlfriends were always
these interchangeable,
610
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,670
replaceable sex objects
to hefner.
611
00:27:59,170 --> 00:28:01,070
- I think it probably
gave him a feeling
612
00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:04,640
of being more in control
if we all looked identical.
613
00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,810
- How do you tell
each other apart?
614
00:28:06,910 --> 00:28:08,780
'cause y'all have the same
kind of blonde hair.
615
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,050
- Yeah.
616
00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:11,250
- The plastic surgery
amongst the girlfriends
617
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:12,750
in the mansion was compulsive.
618
00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:16,020
Everybody was doing it
with very few exceptions.
619
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,990
I remember being made to feel
620
00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:21,130
like I needed to look
exactly like everybody else.
621
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:23,560
When I asked him if I could
ever test for playmate,
622
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:26,400
he said I'm just not
photogenic enough.
623
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,170
So of course, what that does
to you is it makes you wonder,
624
00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:30,500
"wow, what's wrong with me?
625
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,340
Like, what do I need
to get fixed?"
626
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:36,740
- holly, she was getting her
nose done and her this done
627
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,210
and--you know,
she wanted all this stuff done
628
00:28:39,310 --> 00:28:41,980
and so he paid for it.
629
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,120
- I've always been
very honest about it.
630
00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:45,180
I've had my boobs
and my nose done.
631
00:28:47,050 --> 00:28:49,860
I got to a point not too far
into my time there--
632
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,160
I think I was only like
six months in--
633
00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:53,630
where I kind of broke
under that pressure
634
00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:55,790
and being made to feel
like I needed to look
635
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,600
exactly like everybody else.
636
00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:00,300
My hair was really
long naturally,
637
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,700
and I was just like,
"I'm gonna go chop my hair off
638
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,670
so I can at least look
a little different."
639
00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:06,340
- ♪ happy birthday to you ♪
640
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,110
- I came back with short hair,
641
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:10,780
and he flipped out on me.
642
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,510
And he was screaming at me
643
00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:16,680
and said it made me
look old, hard, and cheap.
644
00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:19,650
- I remember
when she cut her hair.
645
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:22,120
He was very unhappy about it.
646
00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:25,560
Yeah, his world.
647
00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,030
- Hef would be pretty abrasive
648
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:30,130
in the way
he said things to holly.
649
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:32,600
She came down
with red lipstick one time
650
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:33,970
and he like flipped out
651
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:35,600
and said he hated
red lipstick on girls,
652
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,500
needed to take it off
right away,
653
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:39,870
even though other people
could wear red lipstick
654
00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:41,970
and it didn't seem
to bother him.
655
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,780
I could definitely see that she
was getting depressed and sad
656
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,750
and her demeanor
was starting to change.
657
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:52,480
- I felt like I was just
in this cycle of gross things,
658
00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:54,820
and I didn't know what to do.
659
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,260
[heavy music]
660
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,960
- you know, over the years,
I knew a lot of girlfriends.
661
00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:06,500
You know who's there for hef
and who's there just because
662
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,470
they want a place to stay
and a little money every week.
663
00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:11,140
And, you know,
you just get to a point
664
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,870
where you know who's who.
665
00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:15,370
And what's funny with holly,
666
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,480
she never let on
if she was unhappy.
667
00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:21,610
- You're in a relationship
with hugh hefner
668
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,950
inside the playboy mansion.
669
00:30:23,050 --> 00:30:25,050
You signed up for that journey,
670
00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:27,850
and you knew you signed up
for that journey.
671
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,690
- If you're not happy,
pack up your stuff and go.
672
00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:35,930
Like you could have
walked out the door any time.
673
00:30:36,030 --> 00:30:38,560
♪ ♪
674
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,170
- his friends were always
so supportive
675
00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:43,770
and just speaking
so highly of him.
676
00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:46,440
But that's the only side
of him they ever saw.
677
00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:49,410
They had no idea what was
going on behind closed doors
678
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:51,510
and how the women were treated.
679
00:30:53,150 --> 00:30:56,110
When I lived at the mansion,
I was afraid to leave.
680
00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:57,620
Something that was
always lingering
681
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,420
in the back of my mind,
I think,
682
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,420
since the very beginning
was that if I left,
683
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,320
there was just this mountain
of revenge porn
684
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:07,290
just waiting to come out.
685
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:09,630
When you would go out
with hef,
686
00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:12,360
he's taking all kinds of
naked pictures of these women
687
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:14,500
when we're wasted
out of our minds.
688
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,170
And he would print out, like,
689
00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:18,300
eight copies for him
and all the women.
690
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:21,710
You would pass them around,
and it's just gross.
691
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:25,380
I drank pretty heavily
every night we went out.
692
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,850
It was my way of coping
with the situation
693
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:29,550
after we got back home.
694
00:31:29,650 --> 00:31:31,650
The other girlfriends
would always try
695
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:33,620
and bring other girls home
from nightclubs
696
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,820
and get other girls
to come upstairs.
697
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,060
And I wasn't into that.
698
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,130
The drama between me and
the other women became so bad.
699
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:44,600
Like, imagine having sex
with somebody
700
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:47,100
in a room full of women
who all hate you
701
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,300
and you know they're all
talking [bleep] about you.
702
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:53,410
And there was a point
where I just felt really low.
703
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:56,440
Like, I didn't feel like
I had any options.
704
00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:58,580
♪ ♪
705
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,350
I remember there was a point
in time a couple years in,
706
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:03,880
after we had gone out
707
00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:06,020
and after
we'd all been in the bedroom,
708
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,490
everybody's leaving
and walking out,
709
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:09,590
and I was in the bathtub,
710
00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:11,920
and I just wanted
to drown myself.
711
00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:15,390
♪ ♪
712
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,930
I just felt like I was
in this cycle of misery.
713
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,240
And, you know, those feelings
would never last long.
714
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:25,740
But you have
those moments like,
715
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,670
"what did I gain
from this experience?"
716
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:29,510
you know? I knew
there would be something.
717
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:31,840
I always had that faith
that there would be something
718
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,010
that would make it worth it.
719
00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:39,120
- These are so sexy.
I love 'em.
720
00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:41,420
Yeah, I think you got
a lotta good stuff.
721
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,820
The first season of "girls
next door" came out in 2005,
722
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:47,830
and it wasn't a perfect
experience by any means,
723
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:50,260
but it totally saved my life.
724
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,730
- Come on, honey.
Jump in.
725
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,030
- "the girls next door"
happened at a time
726
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:58,340
when playboy had lost its feet.
727
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640
The internet,
celebrity culture,
728
00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:03,410
all these things--
it was like an earthquake
729
00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:05,210
and hef was trying
to figure out,
730
00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:07,210
"well, how do we
stay relevant?"
731
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:10,180
- hef's documentarian friend
732
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,290
did all kinds of personality
interviews with everybody,
733
00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:15,450
including us three girls.
734
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,060
- Here we go!
Nice.
735
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,560
- And someone at e!
Said, "that's my show.
736
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:22,960
I wanna see the mansion
737
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:25,300
through the eyes
of those three girls."
738
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:27,730
- "the girls next door"
show did a lot
739
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,200
for the playboy brand.
740
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:30,700
- We knew there would be
some interest
741
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,840
because it was
the playboy mansion.
742
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:34,510
What I did not anticipate
743
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:35,840
was how hugely popular
it would become
744
00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:38,610
and particularly how hugely
popular with young women.
745
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:41,910
♪ ♪
746
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:44,050
- the show gave me confidence.
747
00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:45,820
It gave me a sense of purpose.
748
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,620
The contrast between like the
first 3 years I lived there
749
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,420
and like the last 3 1/2 years,
it was--it was night and day.
750
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:55,660
I can see myself
getting my self-esteem back.
751
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,460
I had a job at the playboy
studio for the show,
752
00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:01,400
and I ended up
really loving it.
753
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,040
I seemed like I'm on my way
to being a little more normal,
754
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:06,540
like a little more
of a functional human.
755
00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:09,980
It felt great to be able
to make the show.
756
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480
It really was a lot of fun.
757
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:14,450
I was excited
when I finally got a chance
758
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:16,580
to be in the magazine.
759
00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:20,350
But we weren't paid for
the first order of episodes
760
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,690
for "the girls next door."
761
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:23,990
- they made it very clear to us
762
00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:26,590
that if we didn't wanna do it,
763
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,230
there would be
a million girls
764
00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:30,060
that would wanna
take our place.
765
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,030
- Eventually, we did get paid.
766
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:35,170
But we were told one day that
we needed to sign contracts
767
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:37,270
and we needed
to sign them that day
768
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:39,200
or e! Wasn't going
to renew the show,
769
00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:40,940
which I just didn't want
to sign a contract
770
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,540
that, in essence,
was signing a contract
771
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,380
to be in a relationship,
since the show
772
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,810
was about three girls
he was dating.
773
00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:49,150
That felt very
prostitute-ish to me.
774
00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:52,350
- I was in the shower,
and all of a sudden,
775
00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:53,850
hef is standing there,
776
00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:55,550
and he opens up
the shower door,
777
00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:57,190
and he's like, "why aren't
you signing this contract?!
778
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:58,720
I need you to sign
this contract!"
779
00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:01,590
- so we all signed it.
780
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:05,100
But I consider
that signing under duress.
781
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,800
- I signed the contract,
crying and soaking wet.
782
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:12,640
- Mm-hmm.
783
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:16,910
- I always find
the perfect card.
784
00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:20,210
- "still the one I love
to catch myself dreaming about.
785
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:24,080
"still the one I love
to talk things over with.
786
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,280
Still the one--"
[holly sobbing]
787
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:27,250
huh? You don't want me
to read it?
788
00:35:27,350 --> 00:35:30,060
- No.
- Oh--aw!
789
00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:35,290
- Oh, no, I was embarrassed
and stressed.
790
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,630
Like, he's reading
this card aloud that I got him,
791
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:40,100
and I just feel [bleep] stupid
792
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,200
because, like,
what even is this?
793
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,200
Like I'm supposed to be filming
like this romantic scene,
794
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,740
but he's, like,
dating other people.
795
00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:52,540
The show was doing a lot for me
both for my self-esteem
796
00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:54,250
and just as far
as other opportunities
797
00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:55,550
that would come to be later.
798
00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:57,180
But I wasn't really
seeing that.
799
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,620
I still felt like I was very
stuck in the same situation.
800
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,920
- Hef was definitely very needy
of holly's time,
801
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:07,860
and he always wanted her
next to him.
802
00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:10,700
For instance, I remember
we went to this event
803
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,160
on the "queen mary."
804
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:13,800
we were filming
"girls next door."
805
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,740
we got hef to spend the night
on the "queen mary,"
806
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,070
and we were so excited.
807
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:19,740
And we were gonna go
run around the ship
808
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,010
in our pajamas,
and so we were like,
809
00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:23,980
"oh, holly,
you have to come with us."
810
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,140
and he told her no,
she couldn't go
811
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:27,780
and like grabbed her hair.
812
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,580
She was like leaning down,
and he like pulled her hair
813
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,650
was like,
"no. You're not going."
814
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:33,220
she needed to be there
with him,
815
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,650
otherwise, he would have
been alone in his room.
816
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,960
And that wouldn't have been
okay with him.
817
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:40,590
♪ ♪
818
00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:44,830
- in 2008, my last year there,
the other girls were leaving.
819
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:47,300
It looked like it was
just going to be me.
820
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,600
I finally thought I had got
821
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:50,100
what I wanted
out of this situation
822
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,370
and was finally like in
this committed relationship.
823
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:58,010
But during that time period,
he started
824
00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:00,110
getting even meaner.
825
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,780
- One day, I had all these
messages from holly
826
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,920
that her and hef
had an altercation
827
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:07,990
downstairs during dinner,
and she got up to walk away
828
00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:12,360
and he said,
"quit being such a bitch."
829
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:15,760
but not bitch. The c word.
Which I hate that word.
830
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:18,230
So I don't even wanna say it.
Sounds so ugly.
831
00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:21,170
And that's it. She was done.
832
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,470
- At that point, there were
no women to pit me against.
833
00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:26,270
There was none of that left.
834
00:37:26,370 --> 00:37:28,740
And that's when I had
the realization and I was like,
835
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,640
"whoa, he's been the problem
the whole time."
836
00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:36,620
I had been locked into
the mentality of the mansion
837
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,020
and had felt like
838
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920
there's no other
future for me outside.
839
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:43,360
But I finally saw him
for who he was,
840
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:45,690
and I had to go.
841
00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:49,260
I just felt it so strongly
that I had to leave.
842
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:55,530
[moody music]
843
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:02,410
♪ ♪
844
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:06,810
- the time at playboy
really caused some damage.
845
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:10,720
I've had different types of
therapy and stuff since I left.
846
00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:14,990
Other than some of
the animals in the zoo,
847
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:18,490
I can't really think
of anything I miss.
848
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,660
When I decided to leave,
it was pretty sudden.
849
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,430
So I wouldn't say it was
so much that I had a plan.
850
00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:27,070
I just had more
to fall back on.
851
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:29,370
Like I'd been really careful
with my money
852
00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:31,200
and making investments
853
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:33,840
and I knew that there was
at least a fan base
854
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:35,340
for "the girls next door."
855
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,140
so maybe I could turn
that into something.
856
00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:43,850
And it worked out really well.
I did my own tv show.
857
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:45,350
I'm out on my own
in las vegas.
858
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:47,450
I star in a really awesome
burlesque show
859
00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:50,160
called "peepshow"
at planet hollywood,
860
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:51,360
had kids, got married,
861
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:55,990
basically did everything
I wanted to do.
862
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,160
But every single day
of my life,
863
00:38:59,270 --> 00:39:00,800
I would have a stranger
approach me
864
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:02,100
and ask, "how's hef?"
865
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,740
and I would always say,
"oh, he's good. He's great."
866
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,870
I really started
to feel terrible about it
867
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:09,170
and like I was living a lie.
868
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,480
And after my book came out,
869
00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:15,050
no one ever came up to me again
and asked how's hef?
870
00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:17,380
My book wasn't motivated
by money at all.
871
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,520
It wasn't motivated
by revenge.
872
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:21,690
I knew he was in a place
873
00:39:21,790 --> 00:39:23,920
where he didn't really
answer to anyone.
874
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:27,060
He wasn't necessarily
cancelable, so to speak.
875
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,760
It was strictly for me
876
00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:31,800
so I wouldn't feel bound
to be living this lie
877
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,830
where I constantly
have to say things were great
878
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:36,940
when I was there
when they weren't.
879
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,910
What I love about my book
880
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:46,540
is I feel some people
are finding it
881
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:49,780
and they read it and they
recognize parallel situations
882
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,280
in emotionally
abusive relationships
883
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:52,580
that they might be in.
884
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:54,350
I've heard a lot of feedback
like that.
885
00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:58,290
And I love it that people are
talking about abuses of power
886
00:39:58,390 --> 00:40:01,290
and imbalances
in relationships.
887
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,330
And I hope that helps
some people.
888
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,870
- We are currently in an era
889
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:10,340
where we're breaking down
that wall of misogyny.
890
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,310
Hef was able to control women
891
00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:18,680
under the disguise
of his money and power.
892
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:20,210
- Yeah, for sure.
893
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:23,450
- Holly madison got money,
got fame,
894
00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:25,750
got everything she wanted.
895
00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:29,090
So I'm worried that holly will
just cause a lot of eyerolling
896
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:31,520
and therefore people won't
really take this seriously.
897
00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:35,160
- When holly
was his girlfriend,
898
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:36,800
he was old by then.
899
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:40,230
Hef was a lot younger
when I started dating him.
900
00:40:40,330 --> 00:40:44,340
My experiences with him
got pretty scary at times.
901
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,340
- We love you, hef!
902
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,310
- Didn't matter how many
people you brought in--
903
00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:51,110
it would only satisfy him
for the moment
904
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:53,410
and then he'd have to find
something bigger,
905
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:55,550
better, naughtier.
906
00:40:55,650 --> 00:40:57,150
He was like a vampire.
907
00:40:57,250 --> 00:41:00,820
He sucked the life out of all
these young girls for decades.
908
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,690
- If those rocks could talk,
the tales they would tell.
909
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:07,360
- I know some really
deep dark secrets.
910
00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:09,160
- I can't give this up.
911
00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:12,860
- And now we're speaking up.
It's all gonna come out.
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