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- Take one. Mark.
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We're ready.
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- All right.
We ready to roll again?
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- How's that?
- Good.
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- I just wanted to make
a difference, you know?
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I mean, I'm not doing this
for 15 minutes of fame.
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I mean,
who'd want to throw themselves
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under the train for that?
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It's--I just want it to change
for women and young girls
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to think twice about
what they're doing.
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'cause there's always
gonna be a guy like hef
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in the--in the wings.
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- [sighs] some of these girls
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don't want
to bring up those memories.
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You know, there's a lot
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that don't want to even
talk about it.
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- [exhales]
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- ready?
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- No.
- No?
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- Okay. Okay.
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All right.
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- Are you ready?
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- I'm ready.
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- I don't think we know
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what hugh hefner's legacy
is yet, ultimately.
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I don't think the dust
has even settled.
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[dramatic music]
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- we have some breaking news
for you tonight.
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Playboy founder hugh hefner
has died at the age of 91.
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Hefner changed america
when he introduced
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"playboy" magazine
back in 1953.
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- He changed the magazine
culture.
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He changed the american sex
culture, if you will.
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But that came
with some controversy.
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- Hefner's legacy
is very confusing
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because he sold women
a very seductive package
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about sexual freedom
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and what that means
in our culture.
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And yet, there's a lot
of hypocrisy around that.
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- He's like a cipher.
You can make him the devil.
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You can make him
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one of the most important
americans who ever lived.
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You can say
he celebrated women.
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You can say
he was a terrible sexist.
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He is whatever
you want him to be.
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- I don't think hefner
was a super moral individual.
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- Hugh hefner
was a transactional man.
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He was a businessman.
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- I think he--I think he
was a monster.
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- I could look at him,
and I saw the devil.
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[engine revving]
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- my name is hugh hefner.
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I'm editor/publisher
of "playboy" magazine.
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- When hugh hefner
was just 27,
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he fashioned himself
and "playboy"
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as the face
of sexual liberation.
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- "playboy" is one of
the most famous
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brand names in the world.
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- I would like to be
remembered as somebody
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who played some positive part
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in changing the social,
sexual values of my time.
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- I believe that hef pulled
one over on the whole world.
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- The fantasy of "playboy"
that he created
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did not allow for
the consent of the women.
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- When it came to
hefner's buddies,
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you had to keep
those secrets quiet.
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- Whatever you got for free.
- [woman giggles]
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- when you get someone
that powerful,
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anything could happen.
Anything.
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- The people
who were really there,
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they're the ones
who know the real truth.
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- I want to be a voice
for the women
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that suffered the most
at his hands.
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[somber music]
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♪ ♪
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- I know. Time for breakfast.
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♪ ♪
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time for breakfast?
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Who wants breakfast?
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[dog barks]
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okay.
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My name
is jennifer saginor.
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I grew up
at the playboy mansion.
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Since hefner's death,
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I'm noticing that people
that were close to "playboy"
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are starting to suddenly
go back
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and reevaluate
their experiences
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and they're starting
to speak out.
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It's taken me a long time
to sort of unravel
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what I experienced growing up
and how it made me feel.
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I had a sense of loyalty
to this inner sanctum,
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to this inner circle that I
was initiated into very young.
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I didn't want to break
that loyalty
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because I knew there
would be serious consequences.
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All right.
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It was such a weird,
[bleep] up place.
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But, I mean, the truth is that
growing up there as a kid,
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it was magical.
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I was six when I went there
for the first time.
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When I was 11,
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I basically started
living there part time.
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My father was hefner's
best friend and doctor
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for about 40 years and had
his own room there as well.
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The mansion was like
a magical kingdom.
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I could have anything
I wanted.
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I mean, the game room
was unbelievable.
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You know, I would literally
just take as many gumballs
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and m&m's as I wanted.
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In the morning, the butlers
would make my lunch
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and I would get into
hef's limo and go to school.
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And there was a zoo
on the mansion property.
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All the playmates
would sort of watch over me.
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And these girls became sort
of substitute mother figures.
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Dorothy stratten
used to babysit me.
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She was playmate of the year.
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We used to always,
like, play dress up.
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We used to just go like
roller-skating
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on the tennis court.
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So, for me, those connections
became everything.
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I have so many happy memories
of myself with hef.
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I remember sitting
on my father's knee
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while he and hef
were playing backgammon.
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We would play pinball
in the game room
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and hef would let me
put my thumb on top of his.
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It just made me
feel so special.
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Like he was just such a very,
like, soft, comforting,
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nurturing, sort of, like,
you know, paternal figure.
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My most special memory
is christmas though.
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I just remember like
frank sinatra
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and the music
in the background
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and the buffet table.
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And it was just really
a sense of family.
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[laughter]
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there's something about it
that was very free, you know,
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and like warm and comforting.
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I just don't find that now.
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I haven't found that
in any point in my life.
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[somber music]
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♪ ♪
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- I am so thrilled to be
in this beautiful house
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where you live,
the playboy mansion.
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Tell me what this house
means to you.
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- Well, first of all,
it's home.
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I was born and raised,
as you know, in chicago
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and have
a very lovely home there,
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which was the original
playboy mansion.
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But in 1971, I got this house.
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And around '75, I just decided
to make the move.
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It has been referred to by
some friends as shangri la.
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The rumor is that
you don't get older
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once you come
through the gates.
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[moody music]
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- I think all of us who were
part of the scene
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at the playboy mansion,
there was an unwritten rule.
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You left your troubles
at the gate.
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♪ ♪
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- you drive up this driveway
and the first thing you see
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is this fountain
which was like a dolphin...
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Being molested by a baby.
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And then you pull up
to this great gothic house.
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There's this big wooden door
that creaks open.
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You know, there were signs
about "playmates at play"
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and also, you know,
"careful about the monkeys."
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I mean,
it was just like arriving
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in the strangest xanadu.
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- Every man
wanted to be there.
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Every woman
wanted to be there.
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The parties were extravagant.
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If you open the wrong door,
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you're gonna see a whole lot
more than you anticipated.
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Even in the foliage sometimes.
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- I mean, the parties,
the roller skating,
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the tennis matches,
volleyball.
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There was always something
going on that was for fun.
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These are the things
that people don't understand
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about the playboy mansion
or about hugh hefner.
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They don't understand
what I call the innocent times.
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- Oh, my god, I remember
that party--that's insane.
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These are so fun,
these parties.
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There was something in the air
that made you feel
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that nobody was judging you.
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And many of the women
truly enjoyed
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not feeling so constricted
by our society.
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You're free to be
whoever you want to be.
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[chatter, dance music]
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♪ ♪
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- everything was so beautiful.
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It was very glamorous.
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And it was hef's world,
you know?
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Hefner...Created it.
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He molded it.
And he was king.
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- Much of what playboy's
all about, really,
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is a disneyland for adults,
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a projection of those
adolescent dreams
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and fantasies
that I had in growing up
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that I've never really lost.
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- Hugh hefner
was in his own world.
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If you look at the photos,
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he thought he was the king,
the emperor.
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We were just servants.
Everybody else was invisible.
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He didn't want
to know our names.
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He just gave us directions.
We had to memorize them.
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He drank around
35, 40 pepsis a day.
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I had to wrap them
in a special red napkin
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according to the instructions.
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He ate mostly m&m's,
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2 or 3 pounds a day,
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and red licorice.
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His condoms were stacked
in a certain place
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in the headboard.
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There were 150 rules.
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We had to follow them exactly.
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We were told,
"you cannot talk to the girls.
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"you're not their friend.
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You work for mr. Hefner.
You don't work for them."
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[applause]
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[chatter]
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- as a child,
I looked up to hefner
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because he had
this big magic castle
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and he was larger than life,
and he was charming,
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and everybody loved him,
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and he seemed very humble
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and was very generous
and seemed like,
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you know,
a really amazing person
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who deserved these blessings.
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♪ ♪
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years later,
I started to realize
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that everyone
in this environment
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put hef on a pedestal.
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And it wasn't genuine.
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This was all like an illusion.
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[dramatic music]
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[moody music]
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- everything you heard about
hefner and "playboy"
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was exactly what his pr agency
wanted you to hear.
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It was a very calculated
misrepresentation of the truth.
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- Playboy became kind of
something more than
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just a magazine for me.
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It really was a projection
of a way of life
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and, uh, what we now call
an alternate lifestyle,
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if you will.
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- The playboy philosophy
was like a manifesto.
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For him, it was always
about individual freedom.
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"I should be able to say
what I want
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"as long as I'm not
hurting anybody.
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"I should be able to
sleep with who I want
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as long as
I'm not hurting anybody."
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- the blueprint for "playboy"
can be traced
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to his entire life
leading up to that point.
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Hef was born
during the roaring '20s
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and the jazz age.
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His parents
were strict methodists,
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and there wasn't a lot of
affection shown in the home.
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He came out of the war,
got married.
255
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- I think you've got
to find yourself
256
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before you find
your lifelong mate.
257
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- And looking around
at the repressive society
258
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that existed in america
after world war ii,
259
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he felt he had things to say.
260
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- In 1953, hugh hefner
was 27 years old,
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literally at a card table
with a little typewriter.
262
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And he managed to pull together
the money
263
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to launch
the first edition of "playboy,"
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which they didn't even
put a date on it
265
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because they weren't sure there
was gonna be a second edition.
266
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Because they had
marilyn monroe on the cover
267
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and marilyn monroe
on the inside,
268
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the first issue sold all 50,000
copies immediately.
269
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- By the 1970s,
270
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"playboy" was selling
7 million copies a month.
271
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- "playboy" was classy.
It was intoxicating.
272
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There was naked women in there,
there was nudity.
273
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But also it was
brilliant articles.
274
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It was incisive philosophy.
It was leading the culture.
275
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- I think the search
for a new ethical, you know,
276
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set of moral values
based on something
277
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other than simply rigid rules
set forth
278
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many, many centuries ago
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is something from which only
good can come.
280
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- In the '50s and '60s,
281
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"playboy" was instrumental
in advancing
282
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the first amendment
and freedom of speech.
283
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And the magazine
was able to pursue issues
284
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and social concerns
285
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that just weren't being
addressed in american society.
286
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Look at civil rights.
287
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- I knew all along
288
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that hef was a champion
of civil rights,
289
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one,
because I read the magazine,
290
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so I saw some of the people
291
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that he had done articles
with,
292
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including malcolm x.
293
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Then there were
the playboy clubs.
294
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- So the first playboy club
opened in 1960,
295
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which was, of course,
a time of
296
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tremendous racial
segregation in this country.
297
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- Hef did not believe
in segregation. He didn't.
298
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At the playboy clubs,
there were black bunnies,
299
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there were
black general managers.
300
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This was the way it was.
301
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- Hi, and welcome to
"playboy's penthouse."
302
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sammy davis jr. Will
be here in a little while.
303
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- "playboy's penthouse"
aired in 1959.
304
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There were very strong
jim crow laws.
305
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Whites were not allowed
to mingle with blacks
306
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and vice versa.
307
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,700
And yet this hugh hefner
had the audacity
308
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to let blacks come on
to his television show
309
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and not just sing
and be whisked away.
310
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- How long have you been
singing, tina?
311
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- Well, personally, I've been
singing for nine years.
312
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- No, he set
an egalitarian atmosphere
313
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where blacks could
come and mingle.
314
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Who else was doing that
but hugh hefner?
315
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- As a child,
I definitely felt
316
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that message of equality
at the mansion.
317
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There was always
an air of acceptance.
318
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Oh, my god. These are like
the disco parties
319
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in the foyer,
320
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where I used to watch
as a kid on the banister.
321
00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,180
When I was around 10 or 11
322
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and I had
my own bedroom there,
323
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:23,780
at night,
I would hear loud music,
324
00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:29,220
and I would hear everyone down
below partying and having fun.
325
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I would sneak out my bedroom
door and down the hallway
326
00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:37,230
and hide behind the banister
and look below.
327
00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:43,370
I would see
all these playmates
328
00:15:43,470 --> 00:15:45,540
and women dressed
in these beautiful gowns
329
00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,870
and sparkly outfits.
330
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And I just couldn't wait
to be able to be older
331
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and be down there
at the parties with them.
332
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♪ ♪
333
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I'd always heard
from a young age
334
00:16:04,890 --> 00:16:07,590
that hef was someone
that was this big,
335
00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,560
you know, feminist advocate
336
00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:12,170
and an advocate
for women's rights.
337
00:16:12,270 --> 00:16:15,670
- I think the primary aims
of women's lib,
338
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the part that do not get
the publicity
339
00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,610
and the tv and newspapers
340
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:23,080
are things
that "playboy" endorses
341
00:16:23,180 --> 00:16:26,710
and has worked for
over the years.
342
00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:29,980
- He used to say,
"even nice girls like sex.
343
00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:33,250
They're allowed to like sex."
344
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,560
- as a little kid,
I was buying it that
345
00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:38,690
these women were empowered
and walking around naked
346
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:40,030
and felt good
about their bodies
347
00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:41,830
and the feminists
simply didn't get it.
348
00:16:41,930 --> 00:16:43,800
- Hugh hefner is my enemy.
349
00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:45,330
[applause]
350
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:47,930
- with "playboy," there's
this entire conflict over,
351
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,240
"are the women expressing
themselves freely
352
00:16:50,340 --> 00:16:52,870
or are they being exploited?"
353
00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:57,010
as time went on, I saw
some of the inconsistencies.
354
00:16:57,110 --> 00:17:00,080
I saw just all
the tremendous hypocrisy.
355
00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:06,190
- Mr. Hefner,
356
00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:09,160
you were picketed tonight
from women's liberation,
357
00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:10,660
and they say
that "playboy" magazine
358
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,590
and this contest distort
the role of womanhood.
359
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,090
What's your response to that?
360
00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,100
- We need more love
and more beauty in the world
361
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,030
that already has too much
hate and ugliness in it.
362
00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:23,670
- I was surprised when,
in the '70s,
363
00:17:23,770 --> 00:17:25,970
the feminists
were really attacking hef.
364
00:17:26,070 --> 00:17:27,910
From the point of view of like
hefner, my father,
365
00:17:28,010 --> 00:17:30,380
and the inner circle
of the boys club,
366
00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,250
they were feeling
as if they were being attacked
367
00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:33,710
for absolutely no reason,
368
00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:36,480
that there was a witch hunt
going on against them.
369
00:17:36,580 --> 00:17:38,820
- There's something wrong
when an attractive girl
370
00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,790
can make more money
as a playboy bunny
371
00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:42,920
or a cover girl
than anything else.
372
00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:46,390
[cheers and applause]
373
00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:48,660
- "playboy's" greatest critics
throughout its history
374
00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,470
have been members
of the moral rights.
375
00:17:52,570 --> 00:17:55,070
And, you know, what hugh hefner
would have described
376
00:17:55,170 --> 00:17:56,770
as "radical feminists."
377
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:59,910
they opposed
the objectification of women
378
00:18:00,010 --> 00:18:02,840
that was central
to "playboy's" existence.
379
00:18:02,940 --> 00:18:05,480
- I'm more in sympathy
than perhaps, you know,
380
00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:06,610
the girls realize with--
381
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:07,810
- women.
- Women.
382
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,150
- I'm sorry.
- Yes, I'm 35.
383
00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:10,580
- Than the ladies realize.
384
00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:13,420
I use girls referring
to women of all ages.
385
00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,990
- You should stop.
- You want to be called a boy?
386
00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:18,190
- Would you like to--
- oh, I see. Okay.
387
00:18:18,290 --> 00:18:20,330
[laughter]
388
00:18:20,430 --> 00:18:21,790
[applause]
389
00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,900
- I'd always felt
it was complimentary, but--
390
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,730
- that's because your magazine
is an image of women
391
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,040
at an arrested development.
392
00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:31,700
- Well, let me--
[cheers and applause]
393
00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:35,310
- on "the dick cavett show,"
hefner was there.
394
00:18:35,410 --> 00:18:40,380
And there was a woman, she was
very, very angry and saying,
395
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,380
"how could you do this
to women?
396
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,450
How could you objectify women
in such a demeaning manner?"
397
00:18:46,550 --> 00:18:52,590
you know, and he just sat
there just as cool as ice.
398
00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:54,790
Hefner was classy.
399
00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:58,530
Hefner
was educated and refined.
400
00:18:58,630 --> 00:19:03,000
So for me to align myself
with "playboy" magazine,
401
00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:06,070
it was okay.
402
00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:13,480
I was miss January 1973.
My photos were gorgeous.
403
00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:17,050
And then I became director
of playmate promotions.
404
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:19,750
At that point in time,
405
00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:22,220
I wasn't interested
in marriage.
406
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,020
But I was interested
in playboy enterprises,
407
00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:27,990
because women were
taking their power.
408
00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:30,600
They were in command
of themselves.
409
00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:35,770
So I thought, "well, wow! Wow!
That's good to me."
410
00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:38,540
and it went along
with the sexual revolution
411
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,870
that was going on.
412
00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:43,340
I had a lot of power,
a lot of freedom.
413
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,910
It was freedom, you know?
414
00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:48,880
- My bunny name
was bunny jaki.
415
00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:54,320
And I started working
at playboy in 1967
416
00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:56,820
for 11 1/2 years.
417
00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:59,790
We definitely got paid well.
418
00:19:59,890 --> 00:20:03,230
And I bought a car, and I
lived the way I wanted to.
419
00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:09,370
We had more freedom than as
a secretary or as a teacher.
420
00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:12,340
- It's 1981. I'm in chicago
as the bunny mother.
421
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,610
I had 70 bunnies underneath me.
422
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:17,580
We did a lot of things
to help rise these girls up.
423
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,880
And it was exciting to me
because I knew
424
00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:23,150
that I could move up
the ladder in corporate.
425
00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:26,320
- There were oftentimes
when I would be interviewed
426
00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:28,290
by a strong feminist.
427
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:30,490
And she would come at me
really hard.
428
00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:32,560
And I would just,
"mm-hmm. Yeah."
429
00:20:32,660 --> 00:20:35,760
and I would answer
and let them know
430
00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:39,630
that I was definitely
in charge of my life
431
00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:41,800
and this was my choice.
432
00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:45,070
Now, of course,
it came at a cost.
433
00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:50,040
But at that moment in time,
I didn't know about that.
434
00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:54,980
♪ ♪
435
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,420
- I didn't realize what was
going on at the time,
436
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,050
that "playboy" really wasn't
about freedom of expression.
437
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,060
This wasn't about, like,
female empowerment.
438
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,330
This was something
that was much deeper,
439
00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:09,260
that was much more sinister.
440
00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,800
At the mansion,
back in like the '70s
441
00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:15,740
and the early '80s,
it was the women and the men.
442
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,970
The girls weren't allowed
to hang out with the men.
443
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:22,940
But I was allowed
to sit with them.
444
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,280
And I'd always see the men
looking at different
445
00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:30,080
negatives of girls
from different shoots.
446
00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:35,050
They would sort of quiz me
on how to critique a girl
447
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,790
that they would consider up
to their standards.
448
00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:41,460
And so I would rattle off,
you know, what I knew
449
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,730
that they were looking for,
whether it was a size d,
450
00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:47,370
which doctor
would do the boob job,
451
00:21:47,470 --> 00:21:49,800
who would do the nose job,
452
00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,610
what their entire physique
should look like,
453
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:54,710
and what size
everything should be.
454
00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:57,710
For sure,
it was always size zero.
455
00:21:57,810 --> 00:22:01,850
I was trained
how to view women
456
00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:04,520
in the way that they did--
457
00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:07,290
as commodities.
458
00:22:07,390 --> 00:22:09,220
I mean, my father
used to tell me that I should,
459
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,690
you know, I had to watch it
'cause--you know,
460
00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:14,030
'cause I could like
gain weight in my hips or--
461
00:22:14,130 --> 00:22:16,160
he would definitely,
like, at a young age,
462
00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:20,770
you know, go over our bodies
with us, with my sister and I.
463
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:22,770
That was of course
nerve-racking
464
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:25,070
'cause I don't think
either one of us felt like
465
00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:30,080
we measured up to what was
considered to be acceptable.
466
00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:34,480
They even pushed me--
I got my own surgery.
467
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,250
- 15.
468
00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:40,550
It was just awful.
469
00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:45,120
♪ ♪
470
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:46,490
as I got older,
471
00:22:46,590 --> 00:22:48,960
I would creep out
of my bedroom more and more.
472
00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:50,930
I was just very curious
473
00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:54,030
what was happening in all
the bedrooms down the hall.
474
00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:57,170
And I would see
some of these girls
475
00:22:57,270 --> 00:23:02,310
doing things
that I didn't recognize.
476
00:23:02,410 --> 00:23:05,710
I would see them naked
with men all around them
477
00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:07,980
and I would see them
on the floor on all fours
478
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,180
and they were on drugs.
479
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,890
And it--it just
really--it scared me.
480
00:23:15,290 --> 00:23:17,420
The men were laughing.
481
00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:22,230
And I just remembered thinking
I never want to be
482
00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:26,430
like these girls running around
like they're animals.
483
00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:28,600
I just--I never
want to be that.
484
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,270
This wasn't about
empowerment of women.
485
00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:35,640
It was the breaking down
of a woman.
486
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:45,320
- Cody.
487
00:23:45,420 --> 00:23:48,320
[moody music]
488
00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:50,460
as a teenager,
I started to notice
489
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,760
that all the playmates
490
00:23:51,860 --> 00:23:52,960
and hefner's
different girlfriends
491
00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:55,360
were very open
with their sexuality.
492
00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:59,500
And there was something
about it that drew me in.
493
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,940
It was a very open environment
494
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,610
of where love and sex
had very blurred lines.
495
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:10,510
So if you love someone,
496
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:13,510
it was you were supposed to be
more intimate with them,
497
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:15,980
I think, sexually.
498
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,750
You know, hef always would
kiss--which many people know,
499
00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:20,550
he would kiss with
sort of his mouth open
500
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:24,020
in sort of like a french kiss
kind of a way.
501
00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:25,860
And I always thought
it was sort of strange
502
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,490
that, you know,
someone that was sort of
503
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,100
was like my uncle
would kiss like that.
504
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,660
But then my father told me
505
00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:34,400
that that's what people do
when they love each other.
506
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:37,570
- I think you're gonna have
very moral relationships
507
00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:40,340
with more than one person
at the same time
508
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,170
or with a sequence of--
509
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,450
or continuing
series of relationships.
510
00:24:46,550 --> 00:24:48,380
- Why was there so many girls?
511
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,180
Hef was the playboy
of the western world.
512
00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:52,350
Why should he stop at one
513
00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:56,490
when he could have
as many as he did?
514
00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:59,290
He would say, "I want
to attract the young ladies
515
00:24:59,390 --> 00:25:02,600
"who want to run with me
in my life.
516
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,230
I'm not gonna run with them
in their life."
517
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:07,500
♪ ♪
518
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,470
- back in the late '70s,
there was always
519
00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:14,110
at least three
to four main girlfriends.
520
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:16,880
There was always one
that was the special one.
521
00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:19,710
This is what they called them.
522
00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:22,450
And those other girls
523
00:25:22,550 --> 00:25:25,990
were always wanting to be
that special one.
524
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,790
- Tell me about
the real hugh hefner,
525
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:29,560
the one the rest of us
don't know.
526
00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:34,160
- He's very sensitive.
He's very caring and giving.
527
00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:36,960
- When I was 15,
I fell in love
528
00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:39,130
with one of hugh hefner's
main girlfriends.
529
00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:40,800
I'm gonna call her kendall.
530
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:46,070
I fell very hard
because I was so young.
531
00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:49,010
- You know, jennifer
was incredibly infatuated
532
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:51,940
with, uh, with
mr. Hefner's girlfriend.
533
00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:54,110
I mean, really infatuated
with her.
534
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:57,080
She was very sweet,
very innocent.
535
00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:01,190
You know, she was innocent.
She was 15 or 16 years old.
536
00:26:01,290 --> 00:26:04,490
- We, over time,
became very close
537
00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:07,290
because she was someone
who ran away very young.
538
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,930
And because my father had
pulled me away from my mother,
539
00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:16,040
I longed for that affection
that only a woman could give.
540
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:20,570
And kendall
was very affectionate.
541
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:24,780
I mean, one night,
she ordered like daiquiris.
542
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,180
And one thing led to another.
543
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,350
And I think she thought that
I had been with a girl before.
544
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:36,790
It really took away
the loneliness at that time.
545
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:40,090
- I served
mr. Hefner's girlfriend
546
00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:42,730
and jennifer drinks in bed.
547
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:45,000
I said, "here are
your drinks, ladies."
548
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:46,370
I was very professional.
And they said,
549
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:50,300
"mitch, you know,
you can say hello, it's okay."
550
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,410
and I said, "I'm gonna go back
downstairs, ladies. Thank you."
551
00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,510
the people that knew knew
that jennifer was underage.
552
00:26:57,610 --> 00:26:59,550
I mean, I wanted to say
something to her.
553
00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:02,050
But I--I held back.
554
00:27:02,150 --> 00:27:04,750
It was something that
I didn't--I just didn't push.
555
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:06,790
- I didn't really think there
was anything necessarily wrong
556
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:09,020
with what I did.
557
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,760
You know, from my father
and hefner's point of view,
558
00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:14,830
they really didn't care about
my having the affair
559
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:16,960
with his girlfriend.
560
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:18,800
He knew about the affair
from the beginning.
561
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,470
I mean, there's cameras
everywhere.
562
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:22,070
- A lot of the cameras,
you didn't even know
563
00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:23,740
they were there,
but they were there.
564
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,710
And also security was carrying
cameras on their jackets.
565
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:29,680
So there's eyes everywhere.
566
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:33,910
- When I was 17,
I was called to hef's room.
567
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:37,250
I thought he was gonna
confront me about the affair.
568
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:40,090
I was just--I wanted
to see kendall so badly.
569
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:42,520
And she said the only way
we could see each other
570
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:45,090
is if you come to hef's room,
hef said.
571
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,100
One of her friends,
who's also a playmate,
572
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,570
walked me to his door.
573
00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:55,400
And then she stopped me
and she's like, you know,
574
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,470
"I just want to tell you that
you don't have to do anything
575
00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,770
that you don't want to do."
576
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,440
I was like, "what do you mean?"
577
00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:06,550
and then I went in and then
hef ordered drinks.
578
00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:09,350
And then we were
just sitting there.
579
00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:13,520
And the energy
shifted in the room,
580
00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:17,590
and I started feeling
uncomfortable.
581
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:21,360
I was still immature
emotionally,
582
00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:25,160
even though I'd been exposed
to so many things.
583
00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,930
So when I went in the room,
584
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,340
and he and kendall
were on the bed.
585
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,600
And I just thought
it was fun, at first.
586
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:37,380
I didn't really realize
what was about to happen.
587
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,650
I felt like, in that moment,
hefner crossed a boundary
588
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:43,320
because he'd always
looked at me
589
00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:46,220
and treated me like
I was his daughter.
590
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,990
And here I was in his room
591
00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:54,160
feeling
this uncomfortable energy
592
00:28:54,260 --> 00:28:58,130
that I was no longer being
looked at as a daughter.
593
00:28:59,830 --> 00:29:03,570
And then kendall
started crying.
594
00:29:03,670 --> 00:29:06,340
And then she ran
into the bathroom.
595
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,480
And then he said, "well, now
we're not gonna do anything
596
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:13,750
'cause she's crying
or whatever."
597
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:17,550
and I was like, "yeah."
and my dad's down the hall.
598
00:29:17,650 --> 00:29:20,350
And he's like, you know,
"we're all family here."
599
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:23,320
and then I left
and went back to my room.
600
00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:26,460
- I don't think that she knew
601
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,960
what was really
going on up there
602
00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:30,730
until she actually
experienced being up there.
603
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:32,330
And she got a--she got,
604
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:34,500
you know,
a crash course in doing that.
605
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,140
We're at the playboy mansion,
this is--this is--this is real,
606
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,410
this is some real [bleep].
607
00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:46,480
[moody music]
608
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:48,450
♪ ♪
609
00:29:48,550 --> 00:29:50,920
- all right, good boy.
610
00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:53,650
♪ ♪
611
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:56,690
- growing up, it's like
I never wanted to go
612
00:29:56,790 --> 00:30:02,060
against what my father or hef
or the environment taught me
613
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,870
was actually something
that was normal, I guess.
614
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:10,170
When I got to college
615
00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:13,770
and I started
to integrate into society,
616
00:30:13,870 --> 00:30:16,280
I didn't understand
how these rules
617
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:18,380
that I had learned
from a very young age
618
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,750
had nothing to do
with the outside world.
619
00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:23,680
You know, I didn't really talk
about it a lot with people.
620
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:28,990
So writing it down was a way
for me to express myself.
621
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:30,460
- Joining me now
is jennifer saginor.
622
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,360
She grew up inside
the playboy mansion
623
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:34,730
and is the author
of the book "playground."
624
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:37,530
- "playground" was something
that I wrote about
625
00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:40,670
to sort of work out
out my own issues
626
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:44,900
of what
I had seen and experienced.
627
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:49,810
I was always taught that it
was okay to speak your mind.
628
00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:56,580
Yet I also knew that
a certain level of loyalty
629
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,920
went along with belonging
into this inner circle.
630
00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:03,660
There was some level of fear
631
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,160
that there
would be repercussions
632
00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:07,530
for breaking that loyalty.
633
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:11,460
And so I went out of my way
to betray hef
634
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:14,770
in a very, very positive
light,
635
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:16,840
as someone who was
a father figure,
636
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:20,670
who I did look up to for many,
many years.
637
00:31:20,770 --> 00:31:23,180
When my book came out,
638
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,450
I did a couple of interviews
in los angeles.
639
00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:28,510
And hef called me and he said,
640
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,720
"congratulations,
I heard that you wrote a book,
641
00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:33,350
and I'm so proud of you."
642
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:35,190
he said, "but listen,
if you could just do me a favor
643
00:31:35,290 --> 00:31:37,290
and not tell anybody
644
00:31:37,390 --> 00:31:40,590
that I knew about
your affair with kendall."
645
00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:42,260
he's like,
"I would just really appreciate
646
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,860
if we just kept
that between us."
647
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,530
he didn't want people knowing
648
00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:49,130
that a minor
had an affair on his property.
649
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,240
And I was like, "sure.
You know, no problem."
650
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,110
he said,
"could you fax over a list
651
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:59,980
of your next interviews?"
and I said, "sure. Of course."
652
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,120
I went to new york, and then
literally, in succession,
653
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:06,620
the interviews were canceled,
like, one by one.
654
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,690
It was like something
out of a mafia movie.
655
00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:14,530
- Well, I know what happened.
656
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:18,800
I know that he--that he had
someone in his office call
657
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:23,270
and contact those people
and stop those interviews.
658
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:27,210
♪ ♪
659
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:28,970
I was really crushed
660
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,750
'cause I no longer could,
you know, speak my truth.
661
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:37,250
It was just so hypocritical
662
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:39,520
because freedom of speech
and the first amendment
663
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:41,720
had been something
that he was an advocate for
664
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:44,520
his entire adult life.
665
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,130
And that made me, you know,
666
00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:49,130
question who I thought
my father was
667
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:50,900
and who I thought hef was.
668
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,030
And I really thought these men
were larger than life.
669
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,370
They knew everybody,
they were so well connected,
670
00:32:57,470 --> 00:33:02,070
and just, you know,
really just enlightened beings.
671
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:06,080
And I realized that this was
something much bigger
672
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:12,280
that he didn't want people to
know what was really going on.
673
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:16,590
- When I was
an editorial assistant
674
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:18,590
working for
the articles editor,
675
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:21,730
different books
would get vetted by him.
676
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:24,060
He was looking for things
in those books
677
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,770
that would hurt
hefner's reputation.
678
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:31,070
I read everything
that came through.
679
00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:33,370
There's some things
that I read about
680
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:36,580
that never saw
the light of day.
681
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,380
- Over time, I realized
682
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,850
I was just one of the many
people who were silenced.
683
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:43,320
♪ ♪
684
00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:48,420
- I worked in six clubs.
Every club had a scandal.
685
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,890
At least one if not many more.
686
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:55,990
I had to keep my mouth closed
if I wanted to keep my job.
687
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,300
There's a lot of
collateral damage
688
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,930
within the playboy
organization--a lot.
689
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,900
And the majority
of the collateral damage
690
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,370
is towards women.
691
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,480
- Things were done
to shush people up,
692
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:15,280
to get them out of the way.
693
00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:19,220
- He wasn't worried
about the local l.A. Cops.
694
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,990
Many of these police worked
for him as security guards.
695
00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:24,960
- Most of the security
officers that were hired
696
00:34:25,060 --> 00:34:27,090
were ex-cops.
697
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:28,460
Some of them were l.A. Cops.
698
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,860
Some of them
were beverly hills cops.
699
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Some of them were detectives.
700
00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,570
So it was very--it was
very serious.
701
00:34:33,670 --> 00:34:36,300
You gotta protect the mansion,
you gotta protect, you know,
702
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,340
especially, number one,
mr. Hefner.
703
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:43,040
- A lot of things were just
taken care of in his world.
704
00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:45,740
The thing is he had tapes
on everybody.
705
00:34:45,850 --> 00:34:49,380
- I have extensive electronic
equipment in the house,
706
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,280
which includes
videotape equipment.
707
00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,820
And that does include cameras
so that
708
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,220
if I want to shoot pictures
of anything, I can, yes.
709
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,590
- Do you?
- Do I shoot pictures?
710
00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:01,690
- I mean, what is it doing
in your bedroom?
711
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,360
- Sometimes things happen
in the bedroom
712
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:05,600
that I'd like to take--
- you're being coy.
713
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:09,800
Prim, I might add.
- We're on television.
714
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,840
- Every room, even outside
on the properties,
715
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:19,140
every place had microphones
and little cameras.
716
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:22,810
Many of the girls wanted
to tell you their problems,
717
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,420
and that made us
all very nervous.
718
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,550
We had to be very careful
719
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:31,190
because we know
we were being monitored.
720
00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:36,760
- He lets the media into
all these parties on purpose
721
00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:39,100
because usually they
end up doing something
722
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,030
they'll regret,
723
00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:44,400
and he's got that on them,
so down the road,
724
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:47,970
if anything was gonna come out
negative about him,
725
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,140
he'd just say,
"I don't think so.
726
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:52,940
Remember this?"
727
00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:55,180
and then all of a sudden
it goes away.
728
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,350
- It was cult-like.
729
00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:01,320
The women had been groomed
730
00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:04,590
and led to believe
they were part of this family.
731
00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:07,860
And he really did believe
he owned these women.
732
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,530
We had playmates
that overdosed.
733
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:16,200
There were playmates
that committed suicide.
734
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,310
I really thought that
if I wrote a book,
735
00:36:20,410 --> 00:36:23,180
maybe all of this stuff
would go away,
736
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,840
maybe it would stop.
737
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:32,150
Hefner even sent someone
to buy me off.
738
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:37,360
When you get someone that
powerful to be that fearful,
739
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:40,390
anything could happen.
Anything.
740
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:44,830
I had a bodyguard.
741
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:48,100
I was that afraid.
742
00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:50,870
- I got threatened.
743
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:53,040
"you're not gonna
put this book out.
744
00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:56,040
"we can find you
anywhere you go.
745
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:59,510
You can't hide from us."
it was very frightening.
746
00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:07,320
.
747
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:10,060
It's just a very clever
marketing ploy
748
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,060
that happens to work out very
well for me and the company.
749
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,560
- For the author.
750
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:16,960
[somber music]
751
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:20,970
- everybody knew that hefner
was a very powerful person.
752
00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:25,270
No one believed anything
that a young girl would say
753
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:27,840
because you were a nobody.
754
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:30,010
And they were
the big somebodies with money,
755
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:34,150
with lawyers,
and you were shut down.
756
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:35,950
We would tell these stories
40 years ago
757
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:37,620
and people didn't believe it.
758
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:42,720
Bill cosby was there.
Oh, he's america's dad.
759
00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:47,990
I mean, there's just--no one
would believe those women.
760
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,900
For years.
761
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,030
- It was a beautiful world,
and to him, beautiful girls,
762
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:59,170
beautiful people, beautiful
food, beautiful everything.
763
00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:03,440
But it--it looked that way,
but it was ugly.
764
00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:05,910
It was really ugly.
765
00:38:06,010 --> 00:38:09,210
- This was built
to look like paradise.
766
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,350
But in reality, paradise
is not all it's made out to be.
767
00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:15,990
- The lapd's investigating
a possible sexual assault
768
00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:17,960
this weekend
at the playboy mansion,
769
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:20,090
home of hedonism
and hugh hefner.
770
00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:24,060
- I have no doubt that terrible
things happened at the mansion.
771
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,200
Of course, it did.
772
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:28,000
It would be naive to say
it didn't.
773
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,440
But I think hefner
would have resented
774
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:33,100
being associated with it.
775
00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:36,540
I think he would say he was
the cause of the good things
776
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,540
and then people
took it too far.
777
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:40,080
- There was various scandals
778
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:43,110
associated with "playboy"
over the years.
779
00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:45,480
There was
bobbie arnstein's suicide.
780
00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:47,090
[dramatic music]
781
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:50,890
♪ ♪
782
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:53,860
there was dorothy stratten's
murder.
783
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Her death was just so sad
and devastating and shocking.
784
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:04,040
There were other girls and
models and playmates who died,
785
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:07,210
but they just were things
that you never talked about.
786
00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:09,510
All of these scandals
and whispers
787
00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:13,610
about what happened at the
mansion and at playboy,
788
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:16,210
hef remained untouched
by any of it.
789
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,750
He was like teflon.
Nothing touched him.
790
00:39:18,850 --> 00:39:21,520
[camera lenses snapping]
791
00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:23,320
over time,
I started to realize
792
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:26,790
"playboy" was run as this
big marketing machine
793
00:39:26,890 --> 00:39:28,960
where he was
in the center of it,
794
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:31,230
and if it started
to affect poorly on him,
795
00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:34,830
it starts to affect
poorly on "playboy."
796
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,640
- this was a very
sophisticated structure
797
00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:41,770
within playboy enterprises
798
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,410
that his own machinery
kept into place.
799
00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:51,480
Everyone had a job
to keep hefner protected.
800
00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:53,790
- They wanted to control
the narrative.
801
00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:57,590
They wanted to control
how people viewed "playboy"
802
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,530
and how they viewed hef.
803
00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:02,490
But the people
who were really there,
804
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000
they're the ones who know
the real truth.
805
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:08,470
[uneasy music]
806
00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:12,770
- his legacy should comprise
the whole story,
807
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:17,380
not just part of it
that he projected,
808
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,640
not his publicity machine
809
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,620
but from the women
who experienced him.
810
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,390
- It's time that the illusion
is broken.
811
00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:31,190
There was a very dark,
dark side of "playboy"
812
00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:33,160
that nobody wants to talk about
813
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:36,330
because they want to live
in that bubble.
814
00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:38,460
- You know, when he passed
away three years ago,
815
00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:41,230
I said to stefan, you know,
"maybe you should revive
816
00:40:41,330 --> 00:40:44,040
the book now that
the metoo movement is here."
817
00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:45,500
when it happened,
I thought, you know,
818
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:47,670
hefner missed by a month
819
00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:50,110
of being
in the same seat as weinstein
820
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:53,510
and all those other
powerful men in hollywood.
821
00:40:54,850 --> 00:40:57,050
- I'm ready now.
I'm empowered.
822
00:40:57,150 --> 00:40:59,350
I'm empowered
to tell my story.
823
00:40:59,450 --> 00:41:01,520
I'm not afraid
to speak up any longer.
824
00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:03,660
♪ ♪
825
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,090
what I want to say
to hefner is
826
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:08,590
you destroyed a lot of lives.
827
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,230
You were power hungry.
828
00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:12,700
You didn't care about
the lives of these women.
829
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,200
You didn't care what happened
to these girls.
830
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:17,270
It was all about what people
831
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:23,340
perceived about you, hefner.
832
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,610
And it was all a lie.
64429
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