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We ready to roll again? 4 00:00:14,540 --> 00:00:16,310 - How's that? - Good. 5 00:00:16,410 --> 00:00:18,050 - I just wanted to make a difference, you know? 6 00:00:18,150 --> 00:00:20,580 I mean, I'm not doing this for 15 minutes of fame. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,180 I mean, who'd want to throw themselves 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,850 under the train for that? 9 00:00:23,950 --> 00:00:28,290 It's--I just want it to change for women and young girls 10 00:00:28,390 --> 00:00:30,460 to think twice about what they're doing. 11 00:00:32,660 --> 00:00:35,160 'cause there's always gonna be a guy like hef 12 00:00:35,260 --> 00:00:37,330 in the--in the wings. 13 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:39,670 - [sighs] some of these girls 14 00:00:39,770 --> 00:00:43,500 don't want to bring up those memories. 15 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:44,810 You know, there's a lot 16 00:00:44,910 --> 00:00:46,740 that don't want to even talk about it. 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,340 - [exhales] 18 00:00:50,450 --> 00:00:52,010 - ready? 19 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:53,610 - No. - No? 20 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,780 - Okay. Okay. 21 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:58,050 All right. 22 00:00:58,150 --> 00:00:59,720 - Are you ready? 23 00:00:59,820 --> 00:01:02,190 - I'm ready. 24 00:01:02,290 --> 00:01:05,360 - I don't think we know 25 00:01:05,460 --> 00:01:07,960 what hugh hefner's legacy is yet, ultimately. 26 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:11,600 I don't think the dust has even settled. 27 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:14,740 [dramatic music] 28 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,570 - we have some breaking news for you tonight. 29 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:19,310 Playboy founder hugh hefner has died at the age of 91. 30 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:21,010 Hefner changed america when he introduced 31 00:01:21,110 --> 00:01:23,610 "playboy" magazine back in 1953. 32 00:01:23,710 --> 00:01:25,780 - He changed the magazine culture. 33 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,920 He changed the american sex culture, if you will. 34 00:01:28,020 --> 00:01:29,280 But that came with some controversy. 35 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:31,720 - Hefner's legacy is very confusing 36 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:36,160 because he sold women a very seductive package 37 00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:37,930 about sexual freedom 38 00:01:38,030 --> 00:01:40,760 and what that means in our culture. 39 00:01:40,860 --> 00:01:43,630 And yet, there's a lot of hypocrisy around that. 40 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:48,670 - He's like a cipher. You can make him the devil. 41 00:01:48,770 --> 00:01:50,170 You can make him 42 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:52,140 one of the most important americans who ever lived. 43 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,940 You can say he celebrated women. 44 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,940 You can say he was a terrible sexist. 45 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:59,180 He is whatever you want him to be. 46 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,980 - I don't think hefner was a super moral individual. 47 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:05,650 - Hugh hefner was a transactional man. 48 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:07,420 He was a businessman. 49 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,390 - I think he--I think he was a monster. 50 00:02:10,490 --> 00:02:14,600 - I could look at him, and I saw the devil. 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,670 [engine revving] 52 00:02:18,770 --> 00:02:20,600 - my name is hugh hefner. 53 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:22,600 I'm editor/publisher of "playboy" magazine. 54 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:24,610 - When hugh hefner was just 27, 55 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:26,740 he fashioned himself and "playboy" 56 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,980 as the face of sexual liberation. 57 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,510 - "playboy" is one of the most famous 58 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:32,480 brand names in the world. 59 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:34,080 - I would like to be remembered as somebody 60 00:02:34,180 --> 00:02:35,820 who played some positive part 61 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,920 in changing the social, sexual values of my time. 62 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:43,490 - I believe that hef pulled one over on the whole world. 63 00:02:44,590 --> 00:02:46,660 - The fantasy of "playboy" that he created 64 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,960 did not allow for the consent of the women. 65 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:52,770 - When it came to hefner's buddies, 66 00:02:52,870 --> 00:02:54,900 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 67 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,500 - Whatever you got for free. - [woman giggles] 68 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:58,340 - when you get someone that powerful, 69 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,970 anything could happen. Anything. 70 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,510 - The people who were really there, 71 00:03:02,610 --> 00:03:04,110 they're the ones who know the real truth. 72 00:03:04,210 --> 00:03:06,750 - I want to be a voice for the women 73 00:03:06,850 --> 00:03:08,720 that suffered the most at his hands. 74 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,620 [somber music] 75 00:03:16,730 --> 00:03:19,590 ♪ ♪ 76 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:21,730 - I know. Time for breakfast. 77 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:26,670 ♪ ♪ 78 00:03:26,770 --> 00:03:29,070 time for breakfast? 79 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:32,110 Who wants breakfast? 80 00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:33,170 [dog barks] 81 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,010 okay. 82 00:03:36,110 --> 00:03:39,050 My name is jennifer saginor. 83 00:03:39,150 --> 00:03:41,520 I grew up at the playboy mansion. 84 00:03:42,850 --> 00:03:44,080 Since hefner's death, 85 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:47,220 I'm noticing that people that were close to "playboy" 86 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,560 are starting to suddenly go back 87 00:03:48,660 --> 00:03:51,060 and reevaluate their experiences 88 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,630 and they're starting to speak out. 89 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,630 It's taken me a long time to sort of unravel 90 00:03:57,730 --> 00:04:01,240 what I experienced growing up and how it made me feel. 91 00:04:03,340 --> 00:04:06,070 I had a sense of loyalty to this inner sanctum, 92 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:10,010 to this inner circle that I was initiated into very young. 93 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:13,080 I didn't want to break that loyalty 94 00:04:13,180 --> 00:04:15,550 because I knew there would be serious consequences. 95 00:04:16,190 --> 00:04:17,420 All right. 96 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,020 It was such a weird, [bleep] up place. 97 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,620 But, I mean, the truth is that growing up there as a kid, 98 00:04:23,730 --> 00:04:26,290 it was magical. 99 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,100 I was six when I went there for the first time. 100 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,730 When I was 11, 101 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:36,500 I basically started living there part time. 102 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:39,140 My father was hefner's best friend and doctor 103 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,740 for about 40 years and had his own room there as well. 104 00:04:45,010 --> 00:04:48,380 The mansion was like a magical kingdom. 105 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,690 I could have anything I wanted. 106 00:04:51,790 --> 00:04:54,320 I mean, the game room was unbelievable. 107 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:57,220 You know, I would literally just take as many gumballs 108 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:59,060 and m&m's as I wanted. 109 00:05:00,660 --> 00:05:02,700 In the morning, the butlers would make my lunch 110 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,330 and I would get into hef's limo and go to school. 111 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,740 And there was a zoo on the mansion property. 112 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:14,240 All the playmates would sort of watch over me. 113 00:05:14,340 --> 00:05:19,010 And these girls became sort of substitute mother figures. 114 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:21,250 Dorothy stratten used to babysit me. 115 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:24,250 She was playmate of the year. 116 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:27,390 We used to always, like, play dress up. 117 00:05:27,490 --> 00:05:29,660 We used to just go like roller-skating 118 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,530 on the tennis court. 119 00:05:32,630 --> 00:05:36,430 So, for me, those connections became everything. 120 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:42,570 I have so many happy memories of myself with hef. 121 00:05:42,670 --> 00:05:44,200 I remember sitting on my father's knee 122 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:47,270 while he and hef were playing backgammon. 123 00:05:47,380 --> 00:05:49,610 We would play pinball in the game room 124 00:05:49,710 --> 00:05:52,580 and hef would let me put my thumb on top of his. 125 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,080 It just made me feel so special. 126 00:05:54,180 --> 00:05:57,680 Like he was just such a very, like, soft, comforting, 127 00:05:57,790 --> 00:06:01,320 nurturing, sort of, like, you know, paternal figure. 128 00:06:02,260 --> 00:06:04,830 My most special memory is christmas though. 129 00:06:04,930 --> 00:06:06,930 I just remember like frank sinatra 130 00:06:07,030 --> 00:06:09,230 and the music in the background 131 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:10,700 and the buffet table. 132 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,830 And it was just really a sense of family. 133 00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:15,940 [laughter] 134 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:21,210 there's something about it that was very free, you know, 135 00:06:21,310 --> 00:06:24,040 and like warm and comforting. 136 00:06:27,650 --> 00:06:30,120 I just don't find that now. 137 00:06:31,890 --> 00:06:35,120 I haven't found that in any point in my life. 138 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:38,230 [somber music] 139 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:41,030 ♪ ♪ 140 00:06:41,130 --> 00:06:43,660 - I am so thrilled to be in this beautiful house 141 00:06:43,770 --> 00:06:45,500 where you live, the playboy mansion. 142 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,930 Tell me what this house means to you. 143 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,740 - Well, first of all, it's home. 144 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,410 I was born and raised, as you know, in chicago 145 00:06:53,510 --> 00:06:55,480 and have a very lovely home there, 146 00:06:55,580 --> 00:06:57,840 which was the original playboy mansion. 147 00:06:57,950 --> 00:07:00,150 But in 1971, I got this house. 148 00:07:00,250 --> 00:07:04,080 And around '75, I just decided to make the move. 149 00:07:04,190 --> 00:07:05,750 It has been referred to by some friends as shangri la. 150 00:07:05,850 --> 00:07:08,690 The rumor is that you don't get older 151 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:10,860 once you come through the gates. 152 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,630 [moody music] 153 00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:15,800 - I think all of us who were part of the scene 154 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:20,070 at the playboy mansion, there was an unwritten rule. 155 00:07:20,170 --> 00:07:21,870 You left your troubles at the gate. 156 00:07:21,970 --> 00:07:24,300 ♪ ♪ 157 00:07:24,410 --> 00:07:27,940 - you drive up this driveway and the first thing you see 158 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,550 is this fountain which was like a dolphin... 159 00:07:31,650 --> 00:07:34,080 Being molested by a baby. 160 00:07:34,180 --> 00:07:38,120 And then you pull up to this great gothic house. 161 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:41,760 There's this big wooden door that creaks open. 162 00:07:41,860 --> 00:07:43,620 You know, there were signs about "playmates at play" 163 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:46,730 and also, you know, "careful about the monkeys." 164 00:07:46,830 --> 00:07:48,500 I mean, it was just like arriving 165 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,370 in the strangest xanadu. 166 00:07:53,170 --> 00:07:54,470 - Every man wanted to be there. 167 00:07:54,570 --> 00:07:56,970 Every woman wanted to be there. 168 00:07:57,070 --> 00:08:00,270 The parties were extravagant. 169 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:02,080 If you open the wrong door, 170 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:05,680 you're gonna see a whole lot more than you anticipated. 171 00:08:05,780 --> 00:08:09,420 Even in the foliage sometimes. 172 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,420 - I mean, the parties, the roller skating, 173 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,060 the tennis matches, volleyball. 174 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,700 There was always something going on that was for fun. 175 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,800 These are the things that people don't understand 176 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:26,600 about the playboy mansion or about hugh hefner. 177 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:31,240 They don't understand what I call the innocent times. 178 00:08:31,340 --> 00:08:34,340 - Oh, my god, I remember that party--that's insane. 179 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,340 These are so fun, these parties. 180 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:40,450 There was something in the air that made you feel 181 00:08:40,550 --> 00:08:43,580 that nobody was judging you. 182 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:46,820 And many of the women truly enjoyed 183 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,490 not feeling so constricted by our society. 184 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:54,290 You're free to be whoever you want to be. 185 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,860 [chatter, dance music] 186 00:08:57,970 --> 00:09:01,700 ♪ ♪ 187 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,000 - everything was so beautiful. 188 00:09:05,770 --> 00:09:07,870 It was very glamorous. 189 00:09:10,010 --> 00:09:12,880 And it was hef's world, you know? 190 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:16,180 Hefner...Created it. 191 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:19,490 He molded it. And he was king. 192 00:09:19,590 --> 00:09:21,790 - Much of what playboy's all about, really, 193 00:09:21,890 --> 00:09:23,760 is a disneyland for adults, 194 00:09:23,860 --> 00:09:26,260 a projection of those adolescent dreams 195 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,190 and fantasies that I had in growing up 196 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:30,730 that I've never really lost. 197 00:09:30,830 --> 00:09:34,130 - Hugh hefner was in his own world. 198 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,800 If you look at the photos, 199 00:09:35,900 --> 00:09:38,910 he thought he was the king, the emperor. 200 00:09:39,010 --> 00:09:43,680 We were just servants. Everybody else was invisible. 201 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:46,650 He didn't want to know our names. 202 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:50,620 He just gave us directions. We had to memorize them. 203 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,890 He drank around 35, 40 pepsis a day. 204 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:58,360 I had to wrap them in a special red napkin 205 00:09:58,460 --> 00:10:00,660 according to the instructions. 206 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,100 He ate mostly m&m's, 207 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,730 2 or 3 pounds a day, 208 00:10:04,830 --> 00:10:07,070 and red licorice. 209 00:10:07,170 --> 00:10:10,370 His condoms were stacked in a certain place 210 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:11,670 in the headboard. 211 00:10:11,770 --> 00:10:14,470 There were 150 rules. 212 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:17,140 We had to follow them exactly. 213 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:20,550 We were told, "you cannot talk to the girls. 214 00:10:20,650 --> 00:10:22,880 "you're not their friend. 215 00:10:22,990 --> 00:10:26,650 You work for mr. Hefner. You don't work for them." 216 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,660 [applause] 217 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,760 [chatter] 218 00:10:30,860 --> 00:10:33,090 - as a child, I looked up to hefner 219 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,560 because he had this big magic castle 220 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:41,430 and he was larger than life, and he was charming, 221 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:43,500 and everybody loved him, 222 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:46,410 and he seemed very humble 223 00:10:46,510 --> 00:10:50,540 and was very generous and seemed like, 224 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:52,510 you know, a really amazing person 225 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:55,020 who deserved these blessings. 226 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,280 ♪ ♪ 227 00:10:57,390 --> 00:11:00,750 years later, I started to realize 228 00:11:00,860 --> 00:11:02,860 that everyone in this environment 229 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,030 put hef on a pedestal. 230 00:11:06,130 --> 00:11:08,290 And it wasn't genuine. 231 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,500 This was all like an illusion. 232 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,070 [dramatic music] 233 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:19,470 [moody music] 234 00:11:19,570 --> 00:11:21,980 - everything you heard about hefner and "playboy" 235 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,080 was exactly what his pr agency wanted you to hear. 236 00:11:27,180 --> 00:11:31,180 It was a very calculated misrepresentation of the truth. 237 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:33,190 - Playboy became kind of something more than 238 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:34,720 just a magazine for me. 239 00:11:34,820 --> 00:11:38,960 It really was a projection of a way of life 240 00:11:39,060 --> 00:11:41,560 and, uh, what we now call an alternate lifestyle, 241 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:42,930 if you will. 242 00:11:43,030 --> 00:11:46,170 - The playboy philosophy was like a manifesto. 243 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:50,170 For him, it was always about individual freedom. 244 00:11:50,270 --> 00:11:51,640 "I should be able to say what I want 245 00:11:51,740 --> 00:11:52,940 "as long as I'm not hurting anybody. 246 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,910 "I should be able to sleep with who I want 247 00:11:55,010 --> 00:11:57,040 as long as I'm not hurting anybody." 248 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:01,510 - the blueprint for "playboy" can be traced 249 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:05,120 to his entire life leading up to that point. 250 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:07,750 Hef was born during the roaring '20s 251 00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:09,590 and the jazz age. 252 00:12:09,690 --> 00:12:11,190 His parents were strict methodists, 253 00:12:11,290 --> 00:12:15,200 and there wasn't a lot of affection shown in the home. 254 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,160 He came out of the war, got married. 255 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:20,130 - I think you've got to find yourself 256 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,440 before you find your lifelong mate. 257 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:25,570 - And looking around at the repressive society 258 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:28,340 that existed in america after world war ii, 259 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,340 he felt he had things to say. 260 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:34,110 - In 1953, hugh hefner was 27 years old, 261 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:37,050 literally at a card table with a little typewriter. 262 00:12:37,150 --> 00:12:39,090 And he managed to pull together the money 263 00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:40,520 to launch the first edition of "playboy," 264 00:12:40,620 --> 00:12:43,860 which they didn't even put a date on it 265 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,790 because they weren't sure there was gonna be a second edition. 266 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:47,590 Because they had marilyn monroe on the cover 267 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:49,900 and marilyn monroe on the inside, 268 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,770 the first issue sold all 50,000 copies immediately. 269 00:12:52,870 --> 00:12:54,370 - By the 1970s, 270 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:57,670 "playboy" was selling 7 million copies a month. 271 00:12:57,770 --> 00:13:01,470 - "playboy" was classy. It was intoxicating. 272 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:03,940 There was naked women in there, there was nudity. 273 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:07,210 But also it was brilliant articles. 274 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,990 It was incisive philosophy. It was leading the culture. 275 00:13:12,090 --> 00:13:14,320 - I think the search for a new ethical, you know, 276 00:13:14,420 --> 00:13:16,460 set of moral values based on something 277 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,930 other than simply rigid rules set forth 278 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:21,730 many, many centuries ago 279 00:13:21,830 --> 00:13:25,730 is something from which only good can come. 280 00:13:25,830 --> 00:13:27,470 - In the '50s and '60s, 281 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:30,300 "playboy" was instrumental in advancing 282 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:32,610 the first amendment and freedom of speech. 283 00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:35,910 And the magazine was able to pursue issues 284 00:13:36,010 --> 00:13:37,880 and social concerns 285 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:41,450 that just weren't being addressed in american society. 286 00:13:41,550 --> 00:13:43,780 Look at civil rights. 287 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:45,620 - I knew all along 288 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,220 that hef was a champion of civil rights, 289 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,520 one, because I read the magazine, 290 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:51,360 so I saw some of the people 291 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:53,190 that he had done articles with, 292 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:55,830 including malcolm x. 293 00:13:55,930 --> 00:13:57,330 Then there were the playboy clubs. 294 00:13:57,430 --> 00:14:00,800 - So the first playboy club opened in 1960, 295 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:03,240 which was, of course, a time of 296 00:14:03,340 --> 00:14:05,240 tremendous racial segregation in this country. 297 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:10,010 - Hef did not believe in segregation. He didn't. 298 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:12,610 At the playboy clubs, there were black bunnies, 299 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:14,410 there were black general managers. 300 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,550 This was the way it was. 301 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:18,690 - Hi, and welcome to "playboy's penthouse." 302 00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:20,520 sammy davis jr. Will be here in a little while. 303 00:14:20,620 --> 00:14:23,960 - "playboy's penthouse" aired in 1959. 304 00:14:24,060 --> 00:14:26,790 There were very strong jim crow laws. 305 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:29,260 Whites were not allowed to mingle with blacks 306 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:30,900 and vice versa. 307 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,700 And yet this hugh hefner had the audacity 308 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 to let blacks come on to his television show 309 00:14:37,940 --> 00:14:40,970 and not just sing and be whisked away. 310 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,610 - How long have you been singing, tina? 311 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:45,710 - Well, personally, I've been singing for nine years. 312 00:14:45,810 --> 00:14:49,480 - No, he set an egalitarian atmosphere 313 00:14:49,580 --> 00:14:52,450 where blacks could come and mingle. 314 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:56,820 Who else was doing that but hugh hefner? 315 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,890 - As a child, I definitely felt 316 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,530 that message of equality at the mansion. 317 00:15:02,630 --> 00:15:05,830 There was always an air of acceptance. 318 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:08,670 Oh, my god. These are like the disco parties 319 00:15:08,770 --> 00:15:09,940 in the foyer, 320 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,370 where I used to watch as a kid on the banister. 321 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,180 When I was around 10 or 11 322 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,450 and I had my own bedroom there, 323 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:23,780 at night, I would hear loud music, 324 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:29,220 and I would hear everyone down below partying and having fun. 325 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,330 I would sneak out my bedroom door and down the hallway 326 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:37,230 and hide behind the banister and look below. 327 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:43,370 I would see all these playmates 328 00:15:43,470 --> 00:15:45,540 and women dressed in these beautiful gowns 329 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,870 and sparkly outfits. 330 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,610 And I just couldn't wait to be able to be older 331 00:15:51,710 --> 00:15:54,580 and be down there at the parties with them. 332 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,320 ♪ ♪ 333 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,790 I'd always heard from a young age 334 00:16:04,890 --> 00:16:07,590 that hef was someone that was this big, 335 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,560 you know, feminist advocate 336 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:12,170 and an advocate for women's rights. 337 00:16:12,270 --> 00:16:15,670 - I think the primary aims of women's lib, 338 00:16:15,770 --> 00:16:18,940 the part that do not get the publicity 339 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,610 and the tv and newspapers 340 00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:23,080 are things that "playboy" endorses 341 00:16:23,180 --> 00:16:26,710 and has worked for over the years. 342 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:29,980 - He used to say, "even nice girls like sex. 343 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:33,250 They're allowed to like sex." 344 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,560 - as a little kid, I was buying it that 345 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:38,690 these women were empowered and walking around naked 346 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:40,030 and felt good about their bodies 347 00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:41,830 and the feminists simply didn't get it. 348 00:16:41,930 --> 00:16:43,800 - Hugh hefner is my enemy. 349 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:45,330 [applause] 350 00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:47,930 - with "playboy," there's this entire conflict over, 351 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,240 "are the women expressing themselves freely 352 00:16:50,340 --> 00:16:52,870 or are they being exploited?" 353 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:57,010 as time went on, I saw some of the inconsistencies. 354 00:16:57,110 --> 00:17:00,080 I saw just all the tremendous hypocrisy. 355 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:06,190 - Mr. Hefner, 356 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:09,160 you were picketed tonight from women's liberation, 357 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:10,660 and they say that "playboy" magazine 358 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,590 and this contest distort the role of womanhood. 359 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,090 What's your response to that? 360 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,100 - We need more love and more beauty in the world 361 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,030 that already has too much hate and ugliness in it. 362 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:23,670 - I was surprised when, in the '70s, 363 00:17:23,770 --> 00:17:25,970 the feminists were really attacking hef. 364 00:17:26,070 --> 00:17:27,910 From the point of view of like hefner, my father, 365 00:17:28,010 --> 00:17:30,380 and the inner circle of the boys club, 366 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,250 they were feeling as if they were being attacked 367 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:33,710 for absolutely no reason, 368 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:36,480 that there was a witch hunt going on against them. 369 00:17:36,580 --> 00:17:38,820 - There's something wrong when an attractive girl 370 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,790 can make more money as a playboy bunny 371 00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:42,920 or a cover girl than anything else. 372 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:46,390 [cheers and applause] 373 00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:48,660 - "playboy's" greatest critics throughout its history 374 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,470 have been members of the moral rights. 375 00:17:52,570 --> 00:17:55,070 And, you know, what hugh hefner would have described 376 00:17:55,170 --> 00:17:56,770 as "radical feminists." 377 00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:59,910 they opposed the objectification of women 378 00:18:00,010 --> 00:18:02,840 that was central to "playboy's" existence. 379 00:18:02,940 --> 00:18:05,480 - I'm more in sympathy than perhaps, you know, 380 00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:06,610 the girls realize with-- 381 00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:07,810 - women. - Women. 382 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,150 - I'm sorry. - Yes, I'm 35. 383 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:10,580 - Than the ladies realize. 384 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:13,420 I use girls referring to women of all ages. 385 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,990 - You should stop. - You want to be called a boy? 386 00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:18,190 - Would you like to-- - oh, I see. Okay. 387 00:18:18,290 --> 00:18:20,330 [laughter] 388 00:18:20,430 --> 00:18:21,790 [applause] 389 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,900 - I'd always felt it was complimentary, but-- 390 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,730 - that's because your magazine is an image of women 391 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,040 at an arrested development. 392 00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:31,700 - Well, let me-- [cheers and applause] 393 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:35,310 - on "the dick cavett show," hefner was there. 394 00:18:35,410 --> 00:18:40,380 And there was a woman, she was very, very angry and saying, 395 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,380 "how could you do this to women? 396 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,450 How could you objectify women in such a demeaning manner?" 397 00:18:46,550 --> 00:18:52,590 you know, and he just sat there just as cool as ice. 398 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:54,790 Hefner was classy. 399 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:58,530 Hefner was educated and refined. 400 00:18:58,630 --> 00:19:03,000 So for me to align myself with "playboy" magazine, 401 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:06,070 it was okay. 402 00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:13,480 I was miss January 1973. My photos were gorgeous. 403 00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:17,050 And then I became director of playmate promotions. 404 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:19,750 At that point in time, 405 00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:22,220 I wasn't interested in marriage. 406 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,020 But I was interested in playboy enterprises, 407 00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:27,990 because women were taking their power. 408 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:30,600 They were in command of themselves. 409 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:35,770 So I thought, "well, wow! Wow! That's good to me." 410 00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:38,540 and it went along with the sexual revolution 411 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,870 that was going on. 412 00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:43,340 I had a lot of power, a lot of freedom. 413 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,910 It was freedom, you know? 414 00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:48,880 - My bunny name was bunny jaki. 415 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:54,320 And I started working at playboy in 1967 416 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:56,820 for 11 1/2 years. 417 00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:59,790 We definitely got paid well. 418 00:19:59,890 --> 00:20:03,230 And I bought a car, and I lived the way I wanted to. 419 00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:09,370 We had more freedom than as a secretary or as a teacher. 420 00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:12,340 - It's 1981. I'm in chicago as the bunny mother. 421 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,610 I had 70 bunnies underneath me. 422 00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:17,580 We did a lot of things to help rise these girls up. 423 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,880 And it was exciting to me because I knew 424 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:23,150 that I could move up the ladder in corporate. 425 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:26,320 - There were oftentimes when I would be interviewed 426 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:28,290 by a strong feminist. 427 00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:30,490 And she would come at me really hard. 428 00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:32,560 And I would just, "mm-hmm. Yeah." 429 00:20:32,660 --> 00:20:35,760 and I would answer and let them know 430 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:39,630 that I was definitely in charge of my life 431 00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:41,800 and this was my choice. 432 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:45,070 Now, of course, it came at a cost. 433 00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:50,040 But at that moment in time, I didn't know about that. 434 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:54,980 ♪ ♪ 435 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,420 - I didn't realize what was going on at the time, 436 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,050 that "playboy" really wasn't about freedom of expression. 437 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,060 This wasn't about, like, female empowerment. 438 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,330 This was something that was much deeper, 439 00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:09,260 that was much more sinister. 440 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,800 At the mansion, back in like the '70s 441 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:15,740 and the early '80s, it was the women and the men. 442 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,970 The girls weren't allowed to hang out with the men. 443 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:22,940 But I was allowed to sit with them. 444 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,280 And I'd always see the men looking at different 445 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:30,080 negatives of girls from different shoots. 446 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:35,050 They would sort of quiz me on how to critique a girl 447 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,790 that they would consider up to their standards. 448 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:41,460 And so I would rattle off, you know, what I knew 449 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,730 that they were looking for, whether it was a size d, 450 00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:47,370 which doctor would do the boob job, 451 00:21:47,470 --> 00:21:49,800 who would do the nose job, 452 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,610 what their entire physique should look like, 453 00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:54,710 and what size everything should be. 454 00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:57,710 For sure, it was always size zero. 455 00:21:57,810 --> 00:22:01,850 I was trained how to view women 456 00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:04,520 in the way that they did-- 457 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:07,290 as commodities. 458 00:22:07,390 --> 00:22:09,220 I mean, my father used to tell me that I should, 459 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,690 you know, I had to watch it 'cause--you know, 460 00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:14,030 'cause I could like gain weight in my hips or-- 461 00:22:14,130 --> 00:22:16,160 he would definitely, like, at a young age, 462 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:20,770 you know, go over our bodies with us, with my sister and I. 463 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:22,770 That was of course nerve-racking 464 00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:25,070 'cause I don't think either one of us felt like 465 00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:30,080 we measured up to what was considered to be acceptable. 466 00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:34,480 They even pushed me-- I got my own surgery. 467 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,250 - 15. 468 00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:40,550 It was just awful. 469 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:45,120 ♪ ♪ 470 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:46,490 as I got older, 471 00:22:46,590 --> 00:22:48,960 I would creep out of my bedroom more and more. 472 00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:50,930 I was just very curious 473 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:54,030 what was happening in all the bedrooms down the hall. 474 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:57,170 And I would see some of these girls 475 00:22:57,270 --> 00:23:02,310 doing things that I didn't recognize. 476 00:23:02,410 --> 00:23:05,710 I would see them naked with men all around them 477 00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:07,980 and I would see them on the floor on all fours 478 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,180 and they were on drugs. 479 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,890 And it--it just really--it scared me. 480 00:23:15,290 --> 00:23:17,420 The men were laughing. 481 00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:22,230 And I just remembered thinking I never want to be 482 00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:26,430 like these girls running around like they're animals. 483 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:28,600 I just--I never want to be that. 484 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,270 This wasn't about empowerment of women. 485 00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:35,640 It was the breaking down of a woman. 486 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:45,320 - Cody. 487 00:23:45,420 --> 00:23:48,320 [moody music] 488 00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:50,460 as a teenager, I started to notice 489 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,760 that all the playmates 490 00:23:51,860 --> 00:23:52,960 and hefner's different girlfriends 491 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:55,360 were very open with their sexuality. 492 00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:59,500 And there was something about it that drew me in. 493 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,940 It was a very open environment 494 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,610 of where love and sex had very blurred lines. 495 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:10,510 So if you love someone, 496 00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:13,510 it was you were supposed to be more intimate with them, 497 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:15,980 I think, sexually. 498 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,750 You know, hef always would kiss--which many people know, 499 00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:20,550 he would kiss with sort of his mouth open 500 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:24,020 in sort of like a french kiss kind of a way. 501 00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:25,860 And I always thought it was sort of strange 502 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,490 that, you know, someone that was sort of 503 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,100 was like my uncle would kiss like that. 504 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,660 But then my father told me 505 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:34,400 that that's what people do when they love each other. 506 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:37,570 - I think you're gonna have very moral relationships 507 00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:40,340 with more than one person at the same time 508 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,170 or with a sequence of-- 509 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,450 or continuing series of relationships. 510 00:24:46,550 --> 00:24:48,380 - Why was there so many girls? 511 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,180 Hef was the playboy of the western world. 512 00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:52,350 Why should he stop at one 513 00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:56,490 when he could have as many as he did? 514 00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:59,290 He would say, "I want to attract the young ladies 515 00:24:59,390 --> 00:25:02,600 "who want to run with me in my life. 516 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,230 I'm not gonna run with them in their life." 517 00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:07,500 ♪ ♪ 518 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,470 - back in the late '70s, there was always 519 00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:14,110 at least three to four main girlfriends. 520 00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:16,880 There was always one that was the special one. 521 00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:19,710 This is what they called them. 522 00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:22,450 And those other girls 523 00:25:22,550 --> 00:25:25,990 were always wanting to be that special one. 524 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,790 - Tell me about the real hugh hefner, 525 00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:29,560 the one the rest of us don't know. 526 00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:34,160 - He's very sensitive. He's very caring and giving. 527 00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:36,960 - When I was 15, I fell in love 528 00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:39,130 with one of hugh hefner's main girlfriends. 529 00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:40,800 I'm gonna call her kendall. 530 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:46,070 I fell very hard because I was so young. 531 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:49,010 - You know, jennifer was incredibly infatuated 532 00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:51,940 with, uh, with mr. Hefner's girlfriend. 533 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:54,110 I mean, really infatuated with her. 534 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:57,080 She was very sweet, very innocent. 535 00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:01,190 You know, she was innocent. She was 15 or 16 years old. 536 00:26:01,290 --> 00:26:04,490 - We, over time, became very close 537 00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:07,290 because she was someone who ran away very young. 538 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,930 And because my father had pulled me away from my mother, 539 00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:16,040 I longed for that affection that only a woman could give. 540 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:20,570 And kendall was very affectionate. 541 00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:24,780 I mean, one night, she ordered like daiquiris. 542 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,180 And one thing led to another. 543 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,350 And I think she thought that I had been with a girl before. 544 00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:36,790 It really took away the loneliness at that time. 545 00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:40,090 - I served mr. Hefner's girlfriend 546 00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:42,730 and jennifer drinks in bed. 547 00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:45,000 I said, "here are your drinks, ladies." 548 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:46,370 I was very professional. And they said, 549 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:50,300 "mitch, you know, you can say hello, it's okay." 550 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,410 and I said, "I'm gonna go back downstairs, ladies. Thank you." 551 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,510 the people that knew knew that jennifer was underage. 552 00:26:57,610 --> 00:26:59,550 I mean, I wanted to say something to her. 553 00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:02,050 But I--I held back. 554 00:27:02,150 --> 00:27:04,750 It was something that I didn't--I just didn't push. 555 00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:06,790 - I didn't really think there was anything necessarily wrong 556 00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:09,020 with what I did. 557 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,760 You know, from my father and hefner's point of view, 558 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:14,830 they really didn't care about my having the affair 559 00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:16,960 with his girlfriend. 560 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:18,800 He knew about the affair from the beginning. 561 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,470 I mean, there's cameras everywhere. 562 00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:22,070 - A lot of the cameras, you didn't even know 563 00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:23,740 they were there, but they were there. 564 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,710 And also security was carrying cameras on their jackets. 565 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:29,680 So there's eyes everywhere. 566 00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:33,910 - When I was 17, I was called to hef's room. 567 00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:37,250 I thought he was gonna confront me about the affair. 568 00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:40,090 I was just--I wanted to see kendall so badly. 569 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:42,520 And she said the only way we could see each other 570 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:45,090 is if you come to hef's room, hef said. 571 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,100 One of her friends, who's also a playmate, 572 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,570 walked me to his door. 573 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:55,400 And then she stopped me and she's like, you know, 574 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,470 "I just want to tell you that you don't have to do anything 575 00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,770 that you don't want to do." 576 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,440 I was like, "what do you mean?" 577 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:06,550 and then I went in and then hef ordered drinks. 578 00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:09,350 And then we were just sitting there. 579 00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:13,520 And the energy shifted in the room, 580 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:17,590 and I started feeling uncomfortable. 581 00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:21,360 I was still immature emotionally, 582 00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:25,160 even though I'd been exposed to so many things. 583 00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,930 So when I went in the room, 584 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,340 and he and kendall were on the bed. 585 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,600 And I just thought it was fun, at first. 586 00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:37,380 I didn't really realize what was about to happen. 587 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,650 I felt like, in that moment, hefner crossed a boundary 588 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:43,320 because he'd always looked at me 589 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:46,220 and treated me like I was his daughter. 590 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,990 And here I was in his room 591 00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:54,160 feeling this uncomfortable energy 592 00:28:54,260 --> 00:28:58,130 that I was no longer being looked at as a daughter. 593 00:28:59,830 --> 00:29:03,570 And then kendall started crying. 594 00:29:03,670 --> 00:29:06,340 And then she ran into the bathroom. 595 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,480 And then he said, "well, now we're not gonna do anything 596 00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:13,750 'cause she's crying or whatever." 597 00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:17,550 and I was like, "yeah." and my dad's down the hall. 598 00:29:17,650 --> 00:29:20,350 And he's like, you know, "we're all family here." 599 00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:23,320 and then I left and went back to my room. 600 00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:26,460 - I don't think that she knew 601 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,960 what was really going on up there 602 00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:30,730 until she actually experienced being up there. 603 00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:32,330 And she got a--she got, 604 00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:34,500 you know, a crash course in doing that. 605 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,140 We're at the playboy mansion, this is--this is--this is real, 606 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,410 this is some real [bleep]. 607 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:46,480 [moody music] 608 00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:48,450 ♪ ♪ 609 00:29:48,550 --> 00:29:50,920 - all right, good boy. 610 00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:53,650 ♪ ♪ 611 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:56,690 - growing up, it's like I never wanted to go 612 00:29:56,790 --> 00:30:02,060 against what my father or hef or the environment taught me 613 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,870 was actually something that was normal, I guess. 614 00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:10,170 When I got to college 615 00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:13,770 and I started to integrate into society, 616 00:30:13,870 --> 00:30:16,280 I didn't understand how these rules 617 00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:18,380 that I had learned from a very young age 618 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,750 had nothing to do with the outside world. 619 00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:23,680 You know, I didn't really talk about it a lot with people. 620 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:28,990 So writing it down was a way for me to express myself. 621 00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:30,460 - Joining me now is jennifer saginor. 622 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,360 She grew up inside the playboy mansion 623 00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:34,730 and is the author of the book "playground." 624 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:37,530 - "playground" was something that I wrote about 625 00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:40,670 to sort of work out out my own issues 626 00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:44,900 of what I had seen and experienced. 627 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:49,810 I was always taught that it was okay to speak your mind. 628 00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:56,580 Yet I also knew that a certain level of loyalty 629 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,920 went along with belonging into this inner circle. 630 00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:03,660 There was some level of fear 631 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,160 that there would be repercussions 632 00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:07,530 for breaking that loyalty. 633 00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:11,460 And so I went out of my way to betray hef 634 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:14,770 in a very, very positive light, 635 00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:16,840 as someone who was a father figure, 636 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:20,670 who I did look up to for many, many years. 637 00:31:20,770 --> 00:31:23,180 When my book came out, 638 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,450 I did a couple of interviews in los angeles. 639 00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:28,510 And hef called me and he said, 640 00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,720 "congratulations, I heard that you wrote a book, 641 00:31:31,820 --> 00:31:33,350 and I'm so proud of you." 642 00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:35,190 he said, "but listen, if you could just do me a favor 643 00:31:35,290 --> 00:31:37,290 and not tell anybody 644 00:31:37,390 --> 00:31:40,590 that I knew about your affair with kendall." 645 00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:42,260 he's like, "I would just really appreciate 646 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,860 if we just kept that between us." 647 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,530 he didn't want people knowing 648 00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:49,130 that a minor had an affair on his property. 649 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,240 And I was like, "sure. You know, no problem." 650 00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,110 he said, "could you fax over a list 651 00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:59,980 of your next interviews?" and I said, "sure. Of course." 652 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,120 I went to new york, and then literally, in succession, 653 00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:06,620 the interviews were canceled, like, one by one. 654 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,690 It was like something out of a mafia movie. 655 00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:14,530 - Well, I know what happened. 656 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:18,800 I know that he--that he had someone in his office call 657 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:23,270 and contact those people and stop those interviews. 658 00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:27,210 ♪ ♪ 659 00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:28,970 I was really crushed 660 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,750 'cause I no longer could, you know, speak my truth. 661 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:37,250 It was just so hypocritical 662 00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:39,520 because freedom of speech and the first amendment 663 00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:41,720 had been something that he was an advocate for 664 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:44,520 his entire adult life. 665 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,130 And that made me, you know, 666 00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:49,130 question who I thought my father was 667 00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:50,900 and who I thought hef was. 668 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,030 And I really thought these men were larger than life. 669 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,370 They knew everybody, they were so well connected, 670 00:32:57,470 --> 00:33:02,070 and just, you know, really just enlightened beings. 671 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:06,080 And I realized that this was something much bigger 672 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:12,280 that he didn't want people to know what was really going on. 673 00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:16,590 - When I was an editorial assistant 674 00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:18,590 working for the articles editor, 675 00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:21,730 different books would get vetted by him. 676 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:24,060 He was looking for things in those books 677 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,770 that would hurt hefner's reputation. 678 00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:31,070 I read everything that came through. 679 00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:33,370 There's some things that I read about 680 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:36,580 that never saw the light of day. 681 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,380 - Over time, I realized 682 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,850 I was just one of the many people who were silenced. 683 00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:43,320 ♪ ♪ 684 00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:48,420 - I worked in six clubs. Every club had a scandal. 685 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,890 At least one if not many more. 686 00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:55,990 I had to keep my mouth closed if I wanted to keep my job. 687 00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,300 There's a lot of collateral damage 688 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,930 within the playboy organization--a lot. 689 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,900 And the majority of the collateral damage 690 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,370 is towards women. 691 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,480 - Things were done to shush people up, 692 00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:15,280 to get them out of the way. 693 00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:19,220 - He wasn't worried about the local l.A. Cops. 694 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,990 Many of these police worked for him as security guards. 695 00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:24,960 - Most of the security officers that were hired 696 00:34:25,060 --> 00:34:27,090 were ex-cops. 697 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:28,460 Some of them were l.A. Cops. 698 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,860 Some of them were beverly hills cops. 699 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,360 Some of them were detectives. 700 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,570 So it was very--it was very serious. 701 00:34:33,670 --> 00:34:36,300 You gotta protect the mansion, you gotta protect, you know, 702 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,340 especially, number one, mr. Hefner. 703 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:43,040 - A lot of things were just taken care of in his world. 704 00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:45,740 The thing is he had tapes on everybody. 705 00:34:45,850 --> 00:34:49,380 - I have extensive electronic equipment in the house, 706 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,280 which includes videotape equipment. 707 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,820 And that does include cameras so that 708 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,220 if I want to shoot pictures of anything, I can, yes. 709 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,590 - Do you? - Do I shoot pictures? 710 00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:01,690 - I mean, what is it doing in your bedroom? 711 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,360 - Sometimes things happen in the bedroom 712 00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:05,600 that I'd like to take-- - you're being coy. 713 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:09,800 Prim, I might add. - We're on television. 714 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,840 - Every room, even outside on the properties, 715 00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:19,140 every place had microphones and little cameras. 716 00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:22,810 Many of the girls wanted to tell you their problems, 717 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,420 and that made us all very nervous. 718 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,550 We had to be very careful 719 00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:31,190 because we know we were being monitored. 720 00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:36,760 - He lets the media into all these parties on purpose 721 00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:39,100 because usually they end up doing something 722 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,030 they'll regret, 723 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:44,400 and he's got that on them, so down the road, 724 00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:47,970 if anything was gonna come out negative about him, 725 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,140 he'd just say, "I don't think so. 726 00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:52,940 Remember this?" 727 00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:55,180 and then all of a sudden it goes away. 728 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,350 - It was cult-like. 729 00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:01,320 The women had been groomed 730 00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:04,590 and led to believe they were part of this family. 731 00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:07,860 And he really did believe he owned these women. 732 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,530 We had playmates that overdosed. 733 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:16,200 There were playmates that committed suicide. 734 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,310 I really thought that if I wrote a book, 735 00:36:20,410 --> 00:36:23,180 maybe all of this stuff would go away, 736 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,840 maybe it would stop. 737 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:32,150 Hefner even sent someone to buy me off. 738 00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:37,360 When you get someone that powerful to be that fearful, 739 00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:40,390 anything could happen. Anything. 740 00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:44,830 I had a bodyguard. 741 00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:48,100 I was that afraid. 742 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:50,870 - I got threatened. 743 00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:53,040 "you're not gonna put this book out. 744 00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:56,040 "we can find you anywhere you go. 745 00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:59,510 You can't hide from us." it was very frightening. 746 00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:07,320 . 747 00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:10,060 It's just a very clever marketing ploy 748 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,060 that happens to work out very well for me and the company. 749 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,560 - For the author. 750 00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:16,960 [somber music] 751 00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:20,970 - everybody knew that hefner was a very powerful person. 752 00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:25,270 No one believed anything that a young girl would say 753 00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:27,840 because you were a nobody. 754 00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:30,010 And they were the big somebodies with money, 755 00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:34,150 with lawyers, and you were shut down. 756 00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:35,950 We would tell these stories 40 years ago 757 00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:37,620 and people didn't believe it. 758 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:42,720 Bill cosby was there. Oh, he's america's dad. 759 00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:47,990 I mean, there's just--no one would believe those women. 760 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,900 For years. 761 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,030 - It was a beautiful world, and to him, beautiful girls, 762 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:59,170 beautiful people, beautiful food, beautiful everything. 763 00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:03,440 But it--it looked that way, but it was ugly. 764 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:05,910 It was really ugly. 765 00:38:06,010 --> 00:38:09,210 - This was built to look like paradise. 766 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,350 But in reality, paradise is not all it's made out to be. 767 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:15,990 - The lapd's investigating a possible sexual assault 768 00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:17,960 this weekend at the playboy mansion, 769 00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:20,090 home of hedonism and hugh hefner. 770 00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:24,060 - I have no doubt that terrible things happened at the mansion. 771 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,200 Of course, it did. 772 00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:28,000 It would be naive to say it didn't. 773 00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,440 But I think hefner would have resented 774 00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:33,100 being associated with it. 775 00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:36,540 I think he would say he was the cause of the good things 776 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,540 and then people took it too far. 777 00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:40,080 - There was various scandals 778 00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:43,110 associated with "playboy" over the years. 779 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:45,480 There was bobbie arnstein's suicide. 780 00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:47,090 [dramatic music] 781 00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:50,890 ♪ ♪ 782 00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:53,860 there was dorothy stratten's murder. 783 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,000 Her death was just so sad and devastating and shocking. 784 00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:04,040 There were other girls and models and playmates who died, 785 00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:07,210 but they just were things that you never talked about. 786 00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:09,510 All of these scandals and whispers 787 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:13,610 about what happened at the mansion and at playboy, 788 00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:16,210 hef remained untouched by any of it. 789 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,750 He was like teflon. Nothing touched him. 790 00:39:18,850 --> 00:39:21,520 [camera lenses snapping] 791 00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:23,320 over time, I started to realize 792 00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:26,790 "playboy" was run as this big marketing machine 793 00:39:26,890 --> 00:39:28,960 where he was in the center of it, 794 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:31,230 and if it started to affect poorly on him, 795 00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:34,830 it starts to affect poorly on "playboy." 796 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,640 - this was a very sophisticated structure 797 00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:41,770 within playboy enterprises 798 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,410 that his own machinery kept into place. 799 00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:51,480 Everyone had a job to keep hefner protected. 800 00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:53,790 - They wanted to control the narrative. 801 00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:57,590 They wanted to control how people viewed "playboy" 802 00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,530 and how they viewed hef. 803 00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:02,490 But the people who were really there, 804 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000 they're the ones who know the real truth. 805 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:08,470 [uneasy music] 806 00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:12,770 - his legacy should comprise the whole story, 807 00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:17,380 not just part of it that he projected, 808 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,640 not his publicity machine 809 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,620 but from the women who experienced him. 810 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,390 - It's time that the illusion is broken. 811 00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:31,190 There was a very dark, dark side of "playboy" 812 00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:33,160 that nobody wants to talk about 813 00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:36,330 because they want to live in that bubble. 814 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:38,460 - You know, when he passed away three years ago, 815 00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:41,230 I said to stefan, you know, "maybe you should revive 816 00:40:41,330 --> 00:40:44,040 the book now that the metoo movement is here." 817 00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:45,500 when it happened, I thought, you know, 818 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:47,670 hefner missed by a month 819 00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:50,110 of being in the same seat as weinstein 820 00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:53,510 and all those other powerful men in hollywood. 821 00:40:54,850 --> 00:40:57,050 - I'm ready now. I'm empowered. 822 00:40:57,150 --> 00:40:59,350 I'm empowered to tell my story. 823 00:40:59,450 --> 00:41:01,520 I'm not afraid to speak up any longer. 824 00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:03,660 ♪ ♪ 825 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,090 what I want to say to hefner is 826 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:08,590 you destroyed a lot of lives. 827 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,230 You were power hungry. 828 00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:12,700 You didn't care about the lives of these women. 829 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,200 You didn't care what happened to these girls. 830 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:17,270 It was all about what people 831 00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:23,340 perceived about you, hefner. 832 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,610 And it was all a lie. 64429

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