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NEW AND FRIGHTENING
WARNING FROM THE FBI
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ON HACKERS USING
MALICIOUS SOFTWARE
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TO LAUNCH A CYBER ATTACK
AGAINST US BUSINESSES.
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IN SOME WAYS, IT'S A WHOLE
NEW WAY OF MAKING WARFARE,
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AND I DON'T THINK THAT
THAT OVERSTATES IT ONE BIT.
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THERE IS A CYBER WAR GOING ON.
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The United States
started that cyber war.
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THE FIRST CYBER WEAPON
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TO THREATEN TO DAMAGE TARGETS
IN THE REAL WORLD.
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HACKERS IN PLACES LIKE CHINA,
NORTH KOREA, IRAN, ELSEWHERE,
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ARE EXHIBITING THE CAPABILITY
TO HIT THE POWER GRID.
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CHINESE STATE-BACKED HACKERS
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HAVE BEEN MOBILIZED
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ANYTHING TO DO WITH
COVID-19 RELATED RESEARCH.
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MANY OF THE THREATS IN THE
21ST CENTURY WILL BE IN CYBER:
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MISINFORMATION, DISINFORMATION.
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YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER.
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WHATSAPP? INSTAGRAM?
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We are human species.
We can be hacked.
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RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT HACKERS
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HAVE BREACHED THE NETWORK
OF THE DNC.
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I don't think anybody knows
it was Russia.
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RUSSIA, CHINA,
AND OTHER COUNTRIES
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ARE COLLECTING STOLEN
INFORMATION FROM HACKERS.
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TODAY WE FACE THREATS
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THAT HAVE INCREASED
IN SOPHISTICATION,
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magnitude, intensity,
volume, and velocity.
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What about the confidence
in the vote?
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ESPECIALLY AGAINST THE BACKDROP
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OF THE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE
IN 2016.
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THEY'RE INVOLVED
GOING AFTER ME ON FACEBOOK.
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Because Putin knows me,
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and I know him,
and he doesn't want me
to be president.
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PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMED
WITHOUT EVIDENCE,
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QUOTE, "RIGGED 2020 ELECTION
WILL BE THE SCANDAL
OF OUR TIMES."
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Are you suggesting
that you might not accept
the results of the election?
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I have to see.
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Announcer: MADAM SPEAKER,
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the President of
the United States.
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AT THE END OF THE
BUSH ADMINISTRATION,
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PRESIDENT BUSH DECIDED
HE HAD TO STOP
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THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM.
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The United Nations has imposed
sanctions on Iran,
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and made it clear that the world
will not allow the regime in Tehran
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to acquire nuclear weapons.
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But he had a problem.
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MY SECOND PURPOSE
TODAY IS TO SHARE WITH YOU
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what the United States knows about
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction...
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We had just gone
to a war in Iraq
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on the false pretense that
Iraq had a nuclear weapon.
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SO THERE WAS NO WAY HE
WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO
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PUBLICLY CONVINCE THE WORLD
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TO GET INTO A CONFLICT WITH
IRAN OVER ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM.
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ONE DAY,
A GROUP OF INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS
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AND MILITARY OFFICERS
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CAME TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAID,
"SIR, WE HAVE ANOTHER WAY."
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THEY TOLD BUSH THAT A JOINT
ISRAELI-AMERICAN CYBER TEAM
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HAD DESIGNED SOME CODE
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THAT COULD GET INTO THE
IRANIAN NUCLEAR CONTROL SYSTEM.
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UNTIL THEN,
COUNTRIES WERE USING CYBER TO STEAL DATA.
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TO SPY ON EACH OTHER.
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BUT ALMOST NO ONE HAD USED
CYBER AS AN OFFENSIVE WEAPON.
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THE PLAN WAS
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A PIECE OF MALWARE
WOULD BE DELIVERED
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INTO THE INDUSTRIAL
CONTROL SYSTEMS
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running the Iranian
nuclear program.
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THIS NETWORK WAS AIR GAPPED.
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IN OTHER WORDS,
IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.
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So you had to have ways in which the
code could jump onto those computers.
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THERE'S STILL SOME MYSTERY
ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THIS CODE
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MADE IT FROM THE NSA
AND THE ISRAELI CYBER UNIT
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INTO THE NATANZ PLANT.
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THERE ARE MANY WAYS,
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INCLUDING SLIPPING IN A USB KEY.
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BUT WE ALSO NOW KNOW
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THAT THE NSA HAD DESIGNED
A BRILLIANT SMALL SYSTEM,
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ABOUT THE SIZE OF A BRIEFCASE,
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THAT COULD WORK FROM
SIX OR SEVEN MILES AWAY,
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BEAMING COMPUTER
CODE INTO A COMPUTER
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THAT HAD BEEN SET UP
WITH A RECEIVER CHIP.
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AND THAT DEVICE COULD BE USED
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not only to put code in,
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but later to replace
it and update it.
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Hultquist: ONCE THEY GOT IN,
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THE CODE STARTED
UNLOCKING ITSELF,
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AND IT STARTED TWO MAJOR TASKS.
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The first one was to record
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everything that the
operator would be saying,
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and essentially,
put that on a loop.
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SO THAT EVERY DAY,
WHEN THE OPERATOR CAME IN TO WORK,
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EVERYTHING WOULD LOOK JUST FINE.
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IT'S SORT OF LIKE A
CLASSIC HEIST MOVIE
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WHERE THE SURVEILLANCE
VIDEO IS RUN ON A LOOP,
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AND THE GUARD NEVER KNOWS
WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON.
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While at the same time, somebody's
breaking in and stealing something.
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THE IRANIANS WERE
THINKING THE WHOLE TIME
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THAT THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
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That they're moving
towards their goal,
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when in fact,
these systems are deadlined.
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BECAUSE THE SECOND
TASK FOR THE CODE
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WAS TO TAKE THE
CENTRIFUGES AND BREAK THEM.
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This code was so ingenious
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that not only did it have
this sort of fake video,
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pay no attention to
what's going on here,
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it would lie in wait.
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And so days would go by,
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where the centrifuges were spinning
exactly as they were supposed to.
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And then all of a sudden,
they'd speed up really fast.
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And then when
you'd turn to look,
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they would slow down
to the regular speed.
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And eventually what
happens when you do this
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to these finely tuned machines,
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is that they break
themselves apart.
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WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA
HAD THAT TRADITIONAL MEETING
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WITH HIS PREDECESSOR,
GEORGE BUSH,
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BUSH TOLD HIM THAT
THERE WERE TWO PROGRAMS
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HE HAD TO MAKE SURE
THAT HE PRESERVED.
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One of them was
the drone program.
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THE SECOND PROGRAM
WAS "OLYMPIC GAMES,"
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the code name for the
program against Iran.
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SUDDENLY,
IN HIS FIRST MONTHS IN OFFICE,
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PRESIDENT OBAMA FINDS
HIMSELF IN THE SITUATION ROOM,
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PICKING OUT
CENTRIFUGES TO ATTACK.
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FOR A WHILE,
THE IRANIANS HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.
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THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY
HAD MADE ENGINEERING ERRORS,
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WHETHER THEY HAD BAD PARTS.
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They suspected sabotage,
but couldn't prove it.
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Until one day,
when the code got out.
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THIS CODE IS ONLY SUPPOSED
TO GO INTO ONE FACILITY,
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AND IT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE
KNOWN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
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INSTEAD, IT ESCAPES THE BOX.
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It gets out of that facility and
begins to spread around the world.
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THESE ARE THE
LETTERS AND NUMBERS
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BEHIND THE SO-CALLED
STUXNET VIRUS.
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IT BEGINS WITH A SIMPLE USB KEY.
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THEN WITH SURGICAL PRECISION,
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PENETRATES SOME OF THE WORLD'S
MOST ADVANCED COMPUTER SECURITY.
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ITS CREATORS HID
THEIR TRACKS SO WELL,
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EXPERTS SAY WE WILL LIKELY
NEVER KNOW WHO CREATED IT.
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AS WE BEGAN TO HEAR ABOUT
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THIS INCREDIBLY
SOPHISTICATED PIECE OF CODE
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THAT THE INDUSTRY
WAS CALLING STUXNET,
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I BEGAN TO RECONSTRUCT THE STORY
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OF WHO AUTHORIZED
THIS CODE TO BE WRITTEN.
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NEITHER ISRAEL NOR THE US
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had publicly admitted that
this was designed by them.
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You did that without at all
mentioning Stuxnet or Olympic Games.
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That was, that was impressive.
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I never heard of those.
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Can you talk about Stuxnet?
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- It's years ago.
That... One thing that...
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I don't want to talk about it,
okay?
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It's just that, it's a mystery.
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I don't want to talk about it.
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Let me know if I'm not... If
I'm being too subtle, okay?
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THIS IS THE FIRST WORM DESIGNED
TO DAMAGE THE PHYSICAL WORLD.
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IT'S A NEW DIMENSION IN
SABOTAGE AND WARFARE.
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The implications and the
possible consequences
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are only now coming to light.
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THE STUXNET ATTACK ON IRAN
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was the first time a major state
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used a powerful cyber weapon
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in a very aggressive way.
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PEOPLE KNEW THAT
THE US GOVERNMENT
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HAD BEEN DEVELOPING TOOLS
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THAT CAN MANIPULATE
COMPUTER SYSTEMS
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TO CREATE EFFECTS
IN THE REAL WORLD.
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STUXNET WAS THE FIRST BIG
EXAMPLE OF THAT HAPPENING.
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Here's what it looks like,
here's how sophisticated it is,
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and here's what it can do.
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YOU TAKE THAT SAME PRINCIPLE,
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YOU COULD SHUT DOWN AN
AIRPORT WITH A SIMILAR TOOL.
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YOU COULD SHUT DOWN AN
ELECTRICAL GRID WITH A SIMILAR TOOL.
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YOU COULD SHUT DOWN A GAS
PIPELINE WITH A SIMILAR TOOL.
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So these things
that were speculative
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suddenly become real.
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The question is,
if you're the first mover there,
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have you now said,
"That's fair game for everybody."
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They've crossed the Rubicon.
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THE UNITED STATES HAD
BASICALLY LEGITIMIZED
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THE USE OF CYBER
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AS A WEAPON AGAINST
ANOTHER COUNTRY
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AGAINST WHOM YOU
HAD NOT DECLARED WAR.
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It pushed the world into
an entirely new territory.
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ONCE THE IRANIANS
TOOK THE PUNCH,
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Iran said, "Oh,
that's the way the game is played.
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All right, I get this now."
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And then they started to unleash
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against the United States.
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IN 2013, IT'S CLEAR THAT IRAN
IS STILL WORKING TOWARDS
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A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
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AND THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION IN THE US
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IS TRYING TO START NEGOTIATIONS
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TO SORT OF COAX
THEM AWAY FROM THAT.
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In October of 2013,
there's a panel.
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There are several people on it,
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but the really
interesting person
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that comes to talk on the
panel is Sheldon Adelson.
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SHELDON ADELSON IS ONE OF
THE RICHEST MEN IN THE WORLD.
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HE'S A CASINO MAGNATE.
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HE'S GOT CASINOS OFF CHINA,
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HE'S GOT A MAJOR
CASINO IN SINGAPORE.
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He's got two major
casinos in Las Vegas,
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and that's really where
he made his money.
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THE BILLIONAIRE BUSINESSMAN
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WHO MADE A FORTUNE WITH CASINOS
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GAVE MORE THAN $92 MILLION
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TO CONSERVATIVE
CANDIDATES IN THE 2012 RACE.
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ONE OF HIS MOST FAMOUS THINGS IS
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an effort to spend a
hundred million dollars
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to make sure that Obama doesn't
get elected to a second term.
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You've got to
really dislike me...
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...to spend that kind of money.
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And he's very clear, and,
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and full-throated
about his opinions.
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How are you able
to be so outspoken?
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I flunked diplomacy 101.
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ESPECIALLY WHEN
IT COMES TO IRAN,
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and when it comes to these
negotiations in particular.
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Wait, so you would support
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negotiations with
Iran currently,
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so long as they first seized
all enrichment of uranium?
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No. What do you
mean support nego...
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What are we going
to negotiate about?
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What I would say is... Listen.
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You see that desert out there?
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I want to show you something.
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You pick up your cell phone,
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and you call
somewhere in Nebraska,
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and you say, "Okay, let it go."
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So there's an atomic weapon
goes over ballistic missiles
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in the middle of the desert
that doesn't hurt a soul.
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Maybe a couple of rattlesnakes
and scorpions or whatever.
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And then,
and then you say, "See?
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The next one is in
the middle of Tehran."
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So, we mean business.
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And that was not
taken well in Iran.
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SEE? THE NEXT ONE IS
IN THE MIDDLE OF TEHRAN.
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SOMEBODY GETS A
YOUTUBE CLIP OF THIS.
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IT GOES UP.
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Doesn't take long
before Iran notices it.
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IT'S CLEAR THAT IRAN
WANTS TO PUNISH ADELSON.
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And they want to make it hurt.
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CASINOS ARE BASICALLY BIG BANKS,
RIGHT?
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THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES
IN AND OUT OF A CASINO IN A DAY
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IS MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
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AND SO, CASINOS SPEND AN ENORMOUS
AMOUNT OF MONEY ON PHYSICAL SECURITY.
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ON CAMERAS,
ON SECURITY GUARDS, ON VAULTS.
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Like,
the things that you would do to protect
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chips and cash.
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BUT AS FAR AS THEIR
IT INFRASTRUCTURE,
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WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
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SO, AROUND DECEMBER 2013,
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HACKERS IN IRAN START
LOOKING FOR A WEAK LINK
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INTO SANDS CORP'S NETWORK.
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And the hackers just
ultimately get lucky.
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A SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER
HAD COME FROM LAS VEGAS,
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WAS WORKING AT A SMALL CASINO IN BETHLEHEM,
PENNSYLVANIA,
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THAT'S PART OF THE
SANDS CORP EMPIRE,
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AND HAD USED HIS CREDENTIALS
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TO GET ONTO ONE OF THE
MACHINES IN BETHLEHEM,
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AND THE HACKERS FOUND HIM.
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THOSE CREDENTIALS ALLOWED THEM
TO GET INTO THE BETHLEHEM NETWORK.
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AND THEN, FROM BETHLEHEM,
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TO LAS VEGAS,
WHICH IS REALLY WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE.
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THEY'D START KIND OF SLOWLY,
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BUT BY EARLY FEBRUARY,
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THEY RELEASE A FEW
HUNDRED LINES OF CODE,
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which is designed to,
not to steal information,
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but to destroy computers.
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To, to override information.
To really create chaos
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within Sands Corp's network.
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I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL
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FROM A SUPPORT DESK MANAGER
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AT ABOUT 4:00 A.M.
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The support desk manager
had been receiving calls
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telling her that people's
emails were getting locked up.
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Some of the engineers
tried to look into
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what might be the cause of it,
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and they couldn't get in.
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I WOULDN'T SAY THAT
THEY WERE PANICKED.
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I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WAS, UM,
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AN EXTREME SENSE OF URGENCY.
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IN THE MORNING,
SOMETIMES I CHECK MY EMAIL.
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And I couldn't get to anything.
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FIRST THING I THOUGHT IS,
SOMEONE'S GONNA CALL ME AND YELL AT ME,
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BECAUSE PROBABLY
THE SOFTWARE IS DOWN.
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MINUTES OF A SOFTWARE OUTAGE
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CAN AMOUNT TO A LOSS OF A
SERIOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
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We were getting
reports left and right
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of people not being able
to access their computers.
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Our internal systems, our email,
our way to communicate.
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Accounting, was,
like, paralyzed,
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and that place
is all accountants.
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I mean,
everybody in the back that isn't IT
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is in some kind of finance team.
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As the guys kept digging
into it more and more,
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a sense of, like,
"Holy shit, this is huge.
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Like, the damage is massive."
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AT SOME POINT IN TIME,
WE MADE A DECISION
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THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO
TURN OFF THEIR COMPUTERS.
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We basically had teams go out
and unplug desktop machines.
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WE WERE GOING TO PCS
ON THE CASINO FLOOR
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IN THE PITS,
AND AT THE PLAYER'S CLUB,
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AND IN THE CAGE,
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and taking them
offline one at a time.
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Scanning 'em, cleaning 'em.
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WE KNEW AT THAT TIME
THIS WAS A POSSIBLE HACK.
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But I still thought it
was a singular event.
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That we were basically
doing damage control.
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But there were
things that popped up
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that indicated that it
wasn't somebody hacking
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just for the sake of hacking.
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It was a political statement.
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THE LAS VEGAS SANDS
WEBSITE HAD BEEN DEFACED,
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TO SHOW AN IMAGE OF THE GLOBE
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WITH VARIOUS LOCATIONS
OF THE WORLD ON FIRE.
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I REMEMBER FLAMES,
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AND SOMETHING ABOUT ADELSON
AND CUTTING OFF HIS TONGUE.
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WE WERE ALL CURIOUS
AS TO WHO DID IT,
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AND THEN WHEN WE SAW WHAT
HAD HAPPENED TO THE WEBSITE,
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IT WAS LIKE, "OH.
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WELL, THIS IS A REACTION TO
WHAT MR. ADELSON HAD SAID."
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YOU KNOW,
MY STOMACH SANK. IT WAS LIKE,
325
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excuse my language,
like, "Holy shit."
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THIS IS REAL.
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A CASCADING ATTACK.
SERVERS SHUT DOWN.
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SCREENS GO BLANK. A
RUSH TO UNPLUG COMPUTERS.
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THIS ATTACK HIT THE WORLD'S
LARGEST CASINO OPERATION
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TEN MONTHS AGO.
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Sands Corp was able to
keep it secret for months,
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and to keep the scale, especially,
of the attacks, secret for months.
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CNN HAS LEARNED ON
FEBRUARY 10TH OF THIS YEAR,
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THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES
AT SANDS CASINOS IN LAS VEGAS
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AND BETHLEHEM, PENNSYLVANIA,
HAD THEIR COMPUTERS HIT.
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THEY DIDN'T WANT
TO GET THIS OUT.
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They wanted controlled
communications,
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is what I will say.
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THAT COMMENT THAT
ADELSON MADE ON THAT STAGE
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was a very expensive
comment to make.
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THE COST OF THE ATTACK AND
RECOVERING FROM THE ATTACK
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WAS ABOUT $40 MILLION.
343
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It cost the Iranians far
less than $40 million.
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I mean, that's the thing about
the asymmetry of these attacks
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is hackers working in
a team for a few days,
346
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YOU KNOW,
THEY STARTED PROBING IN DECEMBER.
347
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YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF TEAMS GOT
REALLY ACTIVE FOR A FEW DAYS IN JANUARY,
348
00:18:15,269 --> 00:18:17,853
AND IN FEBRUARY,
THEY UNLEASHED THE ATTACK.
349
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You know, that's a very low-cost
attack from a nation-state point of view.
350
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THE SANDS CASINO ATTACK
WAS A WARNING SHOT.
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IT WAS A REINFORCEMENT
OF THE THOUGHT
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THAT A MIDDLING POWER LIKE IRAN
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COULD SHUT DOWN A BIG
ECONOMIC ENTERPRISE
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IN THE UNITED STATES.
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AND THAT IF THE SANDS CASINO
COULD BE BROUGHT DOWN,
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SO COULD THE REST OF VEGAS.
357
00:18:46,228 --> 00:18:50,144
And what happened in
Vegas wouldn't stay in Vegas.
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THE EVOLUTION OF CYBER
HAS HAPPENED VERY QUICKLY,
359
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IN TERMS OF ITS IMPORTANCE
TO THE UNITED STATES,
360
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and the organizational dimension
of it in the US government.
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IN 2007,
THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
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ISSUES A THREAT ASSESSMENT OF
ALL THE THREATS AGAINST THE COUNTRY.
363
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THE WORD "CYBER"
ISN'T IN IT A SINGLE TIME.
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FAST FORWARD JUST
A COUPLE OF YEARS,
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YOU HAD THE CREATION
OF CYBER COMMAND.
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Fast forward a couple more years,
it's 2012.
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SUDDENLY CYBER HAS GONE
FROM NOT BEING MENTIONED AT ALL
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IN THOSE THREAT ASSESSMENTS,
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TO BEING ONE OF THE
TOP THREE THREATS
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FACING THE UNITED STATES.
371
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SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PANETTA
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GOES ON BOARD THE INTREPID,
WHICH IS AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER MUSEUM...
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I THINK THE BACKGROUND
IS NOT A COINCIDENCE...
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AND TALKS ABOUT A
CYBER PEARL HARBOR.
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We know that
foreign cyber actors
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00:19:57,019 --> 00:20:01,895
ARE PROBING AMERICA'S CRITICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORKS.
377
00:20:01,978 --> 00:20:05,561
THEY ARE TARGETING THE
COMPUTER CONTROL SYSTEMS
378
00:20:05,645 --> 00:20:10,228
THAT OPERATE CHEMICAL,
ELECTRICITY, AND WATER PLANTS,
379
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AND THOSE THAT
GUIDE TRANSPORTATION
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THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY.
381
00:20:16,311 --> 00:20:20,478
THE COLLECTIVE RESULT
OF THESE KINDS OF ATTACKS
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COULD BE A CYBER PEARL HARBOR.
383
00:20:23,436 --> 00:20:26,311
AND AS PEOPLE WERE WARNED ABOUT
THIS NOTION OF THE CYBER PEARL HARBOR,
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what they seem to miss was,
in fact,
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00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:31,061
that the US had set
up a regime where,
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if they,
if Russia took down the electrical grid
387
00:20:34,144 --> 00:20:36,061
or if China took down a,
a gas pipeline,
388
00:20:36,144 --> 00:20:38,978
they should expect
a military response.
389
00:20:39,061 --> 00:20:42,228
THE GOVERNMENT HAD PLANS FOR A MASSIVE,
KIND OF,
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MAJOR ATTACK AGAINST
THE ELECTRICAL GRID.
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00:20:44,144 --> 00:20:46,770
WHAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY
HAVE PLANS FOR WAS
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this kind of, like,
incremental, hit a company,
393
00:20:50,061 --> 00:20:51,895
you know, destroy its brand.
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Destroy its capacity
to do business.
395
00:20:54,269 --> 00:20:56,395
HOW ARE WE GONNA RESPOND,
AS THE US GOVERNMENT,
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00:20:56,478 --> 00:20:58,645
TO THOSE KINDS OF ATTACKS?
397
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I STARTED WITH JUST
A HUGE FASCINATION
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WITH NORTH KOREA.
399
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,186
Me and my writing partner Evan
would read articles and books
400
00:21:37,269 --> 00:21:39,079
and watch documentaries,
and it was just, like,
401
00:21:39,103 --> 00:21:41,103
endlessly fascinating to us.
402
00:21:41,186 --> 00:21:42,395
Uh, who is it?
403
00:21:42,478 --> 00:21:44,311
It is, uh, Kim Jong-un.
404
00:21:44,395 --> 00:21:45,770
What?
405
00:21:45,853 --> 00:21:48,436
AND THEN WHEN KIM
JONG-UN TOOK OVER
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is when the idea really
expanded in our heads,
407
00:21:51,395 --> 00:21:54,478
because we realized
he was around our age,
408
00:21:54,561 --> 00:21:56,645
um,
and we read more about his life,
409
00:21:56,728 --> 00:21:59,812
and he weirdly was like a
very sympathetic character
410
00:21:59,895 --> 00:22:01,561
in, in some ways.
411
00:22:05,186 --> 00:22:09,520
WE CAME UP WITH THIS
STORY ABOUT A GUY WHO HOSTS
412
00:22:09,603 --> 00:22:13,269
A VERY EXPLOITATIVE
LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW.
413
00:22:15,144 --> 00:22:19,228
KIM JONG-UN IS A BIG
FAN OF HIS TV SHOW.
414
00:22:22,561 --> 00:22:24,478
SO WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH HIM.
415
00:22:24,561 --> 00:22:26,311
AND THEN THE CIA SAYS,
416
00:22:26,395 --> 00:22:28,228
because we are gonna
be the first Americans,
417
00:22:28,311 --> 00:22:30,186
you know,
face-to-face with him in a long time,
418
00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:31,895
uh, we could kill him.
419
00:22:35,853 --> 00:22:38,186
WE PITCHED THE IDEA TO SONY,
420
00:22:38,269 --> 00:22:40,395
AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, LIKE,
421
00:22:40,478 --> 00:22:42,061
"If you get James
Franco in this,
422
00:22:42,144 --> 00:22:44,019
we'll make this
movie right away."
423
00:22:44,103 --> 00:22:45,853
And we were like, "Okay."
424
00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:52,770
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY,
425
00:22:52,853 --> 00:22:56,853
IT WAS THEM WHO SUGGESTED
THAT WE MAKE IT ACTUALLY
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00:22:56,937 --> 00:22:58,228
KIM JONG-UN.
427
00:23:01,103 --> 00:23:03,353
It was something that, like,
we were maybe, we were like,
428
00:23:03,436 --> 00:23:04,645
"Should we make up a guy?
429
00:23:04,728 --> 00:23:07,311
Is that too much?" Um, and,
430
00:23:07,395 --> 00:23:09,645
Sony suggested, like, "Well,
just call him Kim Jong-un.
431
00:23:09,728 --> 00:23:12,019
It's probably funnier
that way." Okay.
432
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:18,186
SO, WHEN THE TRAILER COMES OUT,
433
00:23:18,269 --> 00:23:21,103
NORTH KOREA RELEASES A
STATEMENT THROUGH THE UN
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00:23:21,186 --> 00:23:22,645
condemning the movie.
435
00:23:22,728 --> 00:23:24,978
NORTH KOREA IS ACCUSING
THE UNITED STATES
436
00:23:25,061 --> 00:23:28,061
OF "PROVOCATIVE
INSANITY." AN "ACT OF WAR."
437
00:23:28,144 --> 00:23:31,353
AND PROMISING "A DECISIVE AND
MERCILESS COUNTERMEASURE"
438
00:23:31,436 --> 00:23:34,311
IF THE US SUPPORTS
THE RELEASE OF THE FILM.
439
00:23:38,269 --> 00:23:41,395
WE WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
HOW SERIOUSLY TO TAKE THIS
440
00:23:41,478 --> 00:23:44,478
AND WHETHER THERE WAS SOMETHING
THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
441
00:23:44,561 --> 00:23:46,687
I called a friend of mine
at the State Department
442
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:50,478
who directed me to the person
who knew about the subject.
443
00:23:52,478 --> 00:23:55,144
THEY SAID THE NORTH
KOREAN GOVERNMENT
444
00:23:55,228 --> 00:23:57,895
TENDS TO BE PRONE TO
MAKE A LOT OF THREATS.
445
00:23:58,019 --> 00:24:01,395
BUT ALMOST NEVER CARRIED
OUT ON THOSE THREATS.
446
00:24:01,478 --> 00:24:03,311
And they would certainly never
447
00:24:03,395 --> 00:24:06,603
be able to carry out
on a threat on US soil.
448
00:24:06,687 --> 00:24:09,520
There was no mention
whatsoever of cyber.
449
00:24:11,186 --> 00:24:14,603
AROUND THEN,
CONVERSATIONS STARTED TO COME UP,
450
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:17,853
OF LIKE,
"SHOULD WE TONE IT DOWN A BIT?"
451
00:24:19,186 --> 00:24:21,478
The idea that maybe, uh,
452
00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:26,019
killing Kim Jong-un so
graphically was maybe, um,
453
00:24:26,103 --> 00:24:27,603
extra antagonistic.
454
00:24:36,853 --> 00:24:41,061
Lynton: SETH ROGEN AND HIS
GROUP WERE VERY RESISTANT.
455
00:24:41,144 --> 00:24:44,937
THEY FELT THAT IT
ADDED TO THE SATIRE.
456
00:24:45,019 --> 00:24:49,269
IT WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND THERE
WAS A LITTLE BIT OF ARGUMENT ABOUT IT.
457
00:24:49,353 --> 00:24:52,728
BUT WE ULTIMATELY CAME TO A COMPROMISE,
I THINK.
458
00:24:54,311 --> 00:24:58,061
AT THAT POINT, WE FELT THAT WE HAD
TAKEN ALL THE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS.
459
00:24:58,144 --> 00:25:00,645
We made the changes
to the picture that,
460
00:25:00,728 --> 00:25:04,061
you know, Sony felt, or that my,
my employer felt was,
461
00:25:04,144 --> 00:25:06,144
was necessary and, you know,
462
00:25:06,228 --> 00:25:08,228
the rest was about
getting the movie out.
463
00:25:12,061 --> 00:25:13,687
IN NORTH KOREA,
464
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:15,812
THE RECONNAISSANCE
GENERAL BUREAU,
465
00:25:15,895 --> 00:25:19,019
WHICH IS THE NORTH KOREAN
EQUIVALENT OF THE CIA,
466
00:25:19,103 --> 00:25:21,645
DISPATCHED A YOUNG HACKER
467
00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:24,853
TO GO TO CHINA
AND SOUTHEAST ASIA
468
00:25:24,937 --> 00:25:29,561
AND PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT
WOULD BREAK INTO SONY'S SYSTEMS.
469
00:25:30,853 --> 00:25:32,687
JIM CLAPPER WENT TO NORTH KOREA
470
00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:34,603
DURING THE MIDDLE
OF THE SONY HACK,
471
00:25:34,687 --> 00:25:37,353
AND MET THE HEAD OF THE
RECONNAISSANCE GENERAL BUREAU.
472
00:25:37,436 --> 00:25:40,019
HE WAS TRYING TO GET THE
RELEASE OF TWO AMERICANS THERE
473
00:25:40,103 --> 00:25:41,978
WHILE THE HACK WAS UNDERWAY.
474
00:25:42,061 --> 00:25:45,728
AND HE NEVER RAISED IT BECAUSE
HE NEVER KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING.
475
00:25:45,812 --> 00:25:49,103
The North Koreans
went about this patiently,
476
00:25:49,186 --> 00:25:50,770
and somewhat brilliantly.
477
00:25:52,603 --> 00:25:57,228
IN SEPTEMBER OF 2014,
THEY BROKE INTO THE SONY SYSTEMS.
478
00:26:00,186 --> 00:26:02,978
BUT THEY DIDN'T THEN JUST
TURN AROUND AND ATTACK.
479
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:05,728
THEY SPENT WEEKS EXAMINING
480
00:26:05,812 --> 00:26:09,812
HOW EACH ELEMENT
OF SONY'S OPERATIONS
481
00:26:09,895 --> 00:26:11,770
WERE TIED INTO THE
COMPUTER SYSTEM.
482
00:26:11,853 --> 00:26:14,269
THEY LURKED IN THE
SYSTEM LONG ENOUGH
483
00:26:14,353 --> 00:26:17,645
TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY
COULD DO MAXIMUM DAMAGE.
484
00:26:17,728 --> 00:26:21,395
And it wasn't until just
around Thanksgiving,
485
00:26:21,478 --> 00:26:24,353
two months later,
that they struck.
486
00:26:27,978 --> 00:26:30,853
Lynton: I WAS DRIVING TO WORK.
MY PHONE RANG IN THE CAR.
487
00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:34,311
THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
OF THE COMPANY RANG ME UP
488
00:26:34,395 --> 00:26:36,520
AND HE SAID,
"WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM AT WORK.
489
00:26:36,603 --> 00:26:39,269
ALL THE EMAIL HAS GONE DOWN."
490
00:26:39,353 --> 00:26:41,812
Nobody was able
to retrieve any data.
491
00:26:41,895 --> 00:26:44,311
And as the day progressed,
it became quickly evident
492
00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:47,436
that it was way beyond that. That in fact,
we had...
493
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,061
Pretty much 70 percent of our
computers had been knocked out of action.
494
00:26:51,144 --> 00:26:52,687
Had been ruined, frankly.
495
00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:55,687
SERIOUS BREACH AT
SONY PICTURES LAST WEEK.
496
00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:58,603
A SKELETON APPEARED ON
THE SONY PICTURE COMPUTERS
497
00:26:58,687 --> 00:27:01,353
WITH A SMALL MESSAGE THAT CLAIMED
THEY'D BEEN HACKED BY A GROUP
498
00:27:01,436 --> 00:27:03,103
CALLING ITSELF
"GUARDIANS OF PEACE."
499
00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:04,937
WHOEVER THEY ARE,
THE GUARDIANS OF PEACE
500
00:27:05,019 --> 00:27:06,770
HAVE ALREADY DONE REAL DAMAGE.
501
00:27:06,853 --> 00:27:09,687
EMPLOYEES COMMUNICATED
WITH A PHONE TREE,
502
00:27:09,770 --> 00:27:14,103
AND PAID PEOPLE WITH PAPER CHECKS
CUT BY A MACHINE PULLED FROM STORAGE.
503
00:27:14,186 --> 00:27:15,687
SONY, BY THE TIME THIS IS DONE,
504
00:27:15,770 --> 00:27:17,687
IS GONNA LOSE TENS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
505
00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:19,728
JUST RECOVERING
FROM THIS ATTACK.
506
00:27:19,812 --> 00:27:23,311
It's a huge cost, just in terms of
the impact of the IT infrastructure.
507
00:27:23,395 --> 00:27:26,395
But more importantly,
it's a huge cost to the brand,
508
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,436
because they steal a
lot of data in this attack,
509
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,186
and then they start
releasing it publicly.
510
00:27:30,269 --> 00:27:31,937
TINSELTOWN'S DIRTY LAUNDRY
511
00:27:32,019 --> 00:27:33,895
IS LAID OUT IN PLAIN VIEW.
512
00:27:33,978 --> 00:27:35,353
And it is not pretty.
513
00:27:35,436 --> 00:27:36,728
THE STUDIO'S CO-CHAIRMAN
514
00:27:36,812 --> 00:27:38,228
AND A POWERFUL
HOLLYWOOD PRODUCER
515
00:27:38,311 --> 00:27:40,687
USED RACIAL JOKES TO
MOCK PRESIDENT OBAMA.
516
00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:42,645
A TOP PRODUCER CRITICIZING
517
00:27:42,728 --> 00:27:45,311
ANGELINA JOLIE'S TALENT AND EGO.
518
00:27:45,395 --> 00:27:46,978
These are juicy.
519
00:27:47,061 --> 00:27:50,061
WE HAD SEEN CRIMINAL
HACKERS AND HACKTIVISTS
520
00:27:50,144 --> 00:27:52,144
USE THIS HACK AND DUMP TECHNIQUE
521
00:27:52,228 --> 00:27:55,311
TO INTIMIDATE VICTIMS
ON A SMALL SCALE.
522
00:27:55,395 --> 00:27:57,478
That was the first time
we had seen a nation-state
523
00:27:57,561 --> 00:27:59,019
do it very effectively.
524
00:27:59,103 --> 00:28:00,704
The first thing that
the North Koreans did
525
00:28:00,728 --> 00:28:02,228
was give it to reporters.
526
00:28:02,311 --> 00:28:04,937
And then,
when they've exhausted that channel,
527
00:28:05,019 --> 00:28:06,728
they gave it to WikiLeaks.
528
00:28:09,687 --> 00:28:12,520
THIS WAS ALL VERY VALUABLE
INFORMATION TO THE COMPANY.
529
00:28:12,603 --> 00:28:15,812
TRADE SECRETS,
LIKE SCRIPTS BEFORE MOVIES WERE RELEASED,
530
00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:19,228
DETAILED CONTRACT INFORMATION
ABOUT WHAT HAD BEEN PAID TO WHOM.
531
00:28:19,311 --> 00:28:22,019
By the way,
Seth Rogen made two million dollars more
532
00:28:22,103 --> 00:28:25,353
- than co-star James Franco.
- Mm...
533
00:28:25,436 --> 00:28:27,687
You wouldn't assume
someone's stolen property
534
00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:30,311
was instantly going to be made
535
00:28:30,395 --> 00:28:32,520
available for public consumption
536
00:28:32,603 --> 00:28:34,269
by the media.
537
00:28:34,353 --> 00:28:37,019
SONY WERE THE
VICTIMS OF A CRIME.
538
00:28:37,103 --> 00:28:39,395
AND THEN THE MEDIA TOOK
THE VICTIMS OF A CRIME
539
00:28:39,478 --> 00:28:41,144
and made it a hundred
million times worse.
540
00:28:41,228 --> 00:28:44,728
You want us to assassinate
the leader of North Korea?
541
00:28:44,812 --> 00:28:46,687
- Yes. - What?
542
00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:48,478
James Franco,
Seth Rogen here right now.
543
00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:51,728
And that's what the whole world
is doing right now, saying, "What?"
544
00:28:53,186 --> 00:28:55,103
I GO TO NEW YORK
545
00:28:55,186 --> 00:28:58,561
TO, LIKE, DO THE FINAL WEEK
OF PROMOTION FOR THE FILM.
546
00:28:58,645 --> 00:29:00,144
IT'S A VERY WEIRD THING TO DO.
547
00:29:00,228 --> 00:29:03,395
To promote a thing
that is causing the world
548
00:29:03,478 --> 00:29:05,228
distress at that moment.
549
00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:10,228
And that's when, like,
it really ratcheted up a notch.
550
00:29:10,311 --> 00:29:14,978
The hackers made a threat against
anyone who goes to see Sony's new film.
551
00:29:15,061 --> 00:29:18,770
THIS MESSAGE WARNS MOVIE-GOERS
TO STAY AWAY FROM THEATERS.
552
00:29:18,853 --> 00:29:21,728
THE GROUP IS THREATENING TO DELIVER
WHAT IT CALLS ITS "CHRISTMAS GIFT."
553
00:29:21,812 --> 00:29:24,788
I literally got on a plane and left New
York in the middle of my press tour.
554
00:29:24,812 --> 00:29:26,704
I think I was, like,
on the way to do "Jimmy Fallon,"
555
00:29:26,728 --> 00:29:28,978
and I was like,
"Let's go to the airport. Like...
556
00:29:29,061 --> 00:29:31,269
I don't think this movie's coming out,
guys."
557
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,269
AND I WENT BACK TO LA,
AND WENT TO SONY,
558
00:29:36,353 --> 00:29:38,954
AND WAS LIKE, "WHAT'S THE PLAN? LIKE,
IS IT GONNA BE PULLED FROM THEATERS?
559
00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:41,978
It seems like people don't
want to play the movie anymore."
560
00:29:45,103 --> 00:29:48,603
Lynton: WHEN THE EMAIL CAME OUT
THAT INVOLVED PHYSICAL THREATS,
561
00:29:48,687 --> 00:29:52,103
there was a lot of conversations
with the theaters that happened
562
00:29:52,186 --> 00:29:55,269
where they were asking to
delay the release of the picture.
563
00:29:55,353 --> 00:30:00,019
I think Michael Lynton didn't
want to leave the theater owners,
564
00:30:00,103 --> 00:30:02,103
you know,
looking like the bad guy.
565
00:30:02,186 --> 00:30:04,395
So, he then was like,
"I'm gonna pull the movie.
566
00:30:04,478 --> 00:30:08,186
"I'm just gonna say... it's... it's,
it's pulled.
567
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:10,645
"And we all need to
come as like a united front,
568
00:30:10,728 --> 00:30:12,395
and say that that's
what we want."
569
00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:14,561
And we were like,
"Absolutely not."
570
00:30:14,645 --> 00:30:18,311
TODAY,
SONY CANCELLED THE CHRISTMAS DAY RELEASE
571
00:30:18,395 --> 00:30:19,436
OF "THE INTERVIEW."
572
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,728
THE HACKERS WIN.
573
00:30:20,812 --> 00:30:22,092
I DON'T KNOW HOW
ELSE TO FRAME IT
574
00:30:22,144 --> 00:30:23,478
NOW THAT SONY HAS CANCELLED
575
00:30:23,561 --> 00:30:24,801
THE RELEASE OF "THE INTERVIEW,"
576
00:30:24,853 --> 00:30:25,978
THAT SPOOF ABOUT NORTH KOREA
577
00:30:26,061 --> 00:30:27,895
STARRING JAMES
FRANCO AND SETH ROGEN.
578
00:30:29,728 --> 00:30:31,603
A COUPLE DAYS LATER,
579
00:30:31,687 --> 00:30:35,436
WE WERE ALL GATHERED IN
OUR BUNGALOW ON THE SONY LOT.
580
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,812
And they were like,
"There's a press conference coming,
581
00:30:37,895 --> 00:30:39,687
and Obama's gonna talk about it,
I think."
582
00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:42,186
And we, we were like,
"He's not gonna talk about it."
583
00:30:42,269 --> 00:30:43,704
Like,
and it was like the first question.
584
00:30:43,728 --> 00:30:45,311
Thank you, Mr. President. Uh,
585
00:30:45,395 --> 00:30:47,245
let's start on North Korea,
'cause that seems to be
586
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:48,812
the, uh, biggest topic today.
587
00:30:48,895 --> 00:30:53,144
Uh, what does a proportional
response look like,
588
00:30:53,228 --> 00:30:55,353
uh, to the Sony hack?
589
00:30:55,436 --> 00:30:58,853
The question at that time was,
well, how serious a deal is this?
590
00:30:58,937 --> 00:31:03,019
And before you knew it,
it was an international security incident
591
00:31:03,103 --> 00:31:05,603
that involved the president
of the United States.
592
00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:11,478
Hurd: IF NORTH KOREA
LAUNCHED A MISSILE
593
00:31:11,561 --> 00:31:14,019
into San Francisco,
594
00:31:14,103 --> 00:31:18,228
everybody knows what the United
States of America, our response would be.
595
00:31:18,311 --> 00:31:21,186
Right? That's a
physical-on-physical attack.
596
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:24,311
But what is a
digital-on-digital attack,
597
00:31:24,395 --> 00:31:26,186
and what is the
appropriate response?
598
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:29,269
John McCain at the time said,
"This is an act of war."
599
00:31:29,353 --> 00:31:32,395
It's a new form of warfare
that we're involved in,
600
00:31:32,478 --> 00:31:35,269
and we need to react,
and react vigorously.
601
00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:37,311
President Obama
didn't want to go there.
602
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,561
WHEN WE WERE IN
THOSE CONVERSATIONS
603
00:31:40,645 --> 00:31:42,019
BOTH IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
604
00:31:42,103 --> 00:31:43,395
AND IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
605
00:31:43,478 --> 00:31:45,645
you fear that if you go too hard
606
00:31:45,728 --> 00:31:46,768
against the North Koreans,
607
00:31:46,812 --> 00:31:48,603
it becomes a real
military conflict.
608
00:31:48,687 --> 00:31:50,561
THE LAST THING YOU WANT
609
00:31:50,645 --> 00:31:52,812
IS TO DO SOMETHING
THAT ESCALATES IT,
610
00:31:52,895 --> 00:31:54,895
and the North Koreans
then hit the US back
611
00:31:54,978 --> 00:31:56,412
in our critical infrastructure,
right?
612
00:31:56,436 --> 00:31:58,895
We didn't know whether
they were in the grid
613
00:31:58,978 --> 00:32:00,228
and could take something down.
614
00:32:00,311 --> 00:32:04,019
We will respond. Uh,
we will respond proportionally,
615
00:32:04,103 --> 00:32:07,186
and we'll respond, uh,
in a place and time,
616
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:09,353
uh, and manner, that we choose.
617
00:32:09,436 --> 00:32:11,395
It's not something
that I will announce,
618
00:32:11,478 --> 00:32:13,061
uh,
here today at a press conference.
619
00:32:13,144 --> 00:32:15,853
No one really knows what the
US government did to North Korea.
620
00:32:15,937 --> 00:32:18,895
There are press
reports that suggest that
621
00:32:19,019 --> 00:32:20,478
not long after the Sony hack,
622
00:32:20,561 --> 00:32:22,812
suddenly, uh,
North Korea's internet went down.
623
00:32:22,895 --> 00:32:25,186
EVEN IF IT WERE THE
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
624
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:27,103
THAT SHUT DOWN THE
INTERNET OF NORTH KOREA,
625
00:32:27,186 --> 00:32:29,937
AT THE TIME,
NORTH KOREA HAD 28 WEBSITES.
626
00:32:30,019 --> 00:32:32,269
SO THE UNITED STATES
IS FAR MORE VULNERABLE
627
00:32:32,353 --> 00:32:36,520
to cyber attacks than many of the
countries that are trying to attack us.
628
00:32:38,186 --> 00:32:40,395
Lynton: THE PRESIDENT
DIDN'T NECESSARILY
629
00:32:40,478 --> 00:32:42,436
have a response to that,
to them,
630
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,937
AND SO,
HE CHOSE TO TALK ABOUT SONY.
631
00:32:46,019 --> 00:32:48,061
We cannot have a society
632
00:32:48,144 --> 00:32:51,103
in which some dictator someplace
633
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:55,436
can start imposing censorship
here in the United States.
634
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,353
He was like, "Yeah,
theaters should play it."
635
00:32:57,436 --> 00:33:00,353
Um,
"We shouldn't succumb to these threats."
636
00:33:00,436 --> 00:33:02,937
And we were all like, "Great!"
637
00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:05,895
BUT EVERYONE JUST BAILED.
638
00:33:06,853 --> 00:33:08,371
Lynton: THERE WAS
CERTAINLY DISAPPOINTMENT
639
00:33:08,395 --> 00:33:09,687
ON THE PART OF THE FILMMAKERS
640
00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:11,853
that they weren't gonna see the movie in,
you know,
641
00:33:11,937 --> 00:33:13,645
in theaters all
across the country.
642
00:33:13,728 --> 00:33:16,645
We reassured them that we
intended to put the movie out.
643
00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:18,520
I called Eric Schmidt at Google.
644
00:33:18,603 --> 00:33:20,978
HE AND THE FOLKS AT GOOGLE
FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT
645
00:33:21,061 --> 00:33:25,436
THAT THE PICTURE GET OUT, AND THEY
OFFERED TO PUT IT OUT ON THEIR PLATFORM.
646
00:33:31,353 --> 00:33:33,103
ULTIMATELY,
647
00:33:33,186 --> 00:33:35,079
THEY LET THE THEATERS WHO
WANTED TO PLAY IT PLAY IT.
648
00:33:35,103 --> 00:33:37,770
IT WAS IN, LIKE,
20 THEATERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
649
00:33:37,853 --> 00:33:40,353
Um,
I think it is still Google Play's
650
00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:42,853
number one ever
downloaded movie.
651
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:50,603
AND ALSO, THE SCENE IS RELEASED.
652
00:33:50,687 --> 00:33:52,645
"THE VERGE" OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT
653
00:33:52,728 --> 00:33:54,687
GOES THROUGH THE HACKED FOOTAGE,
654
00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:56,978
FINDS THE SHOT OF KIM
JONG-UN'S HEAD EXPLODING,
655
00:33:57,061 --> 00:34:01,103
and releases just that
online for everyone to just see.
656
00:34:06,603 --> 00:34:08,978
THIS WAS A BIG DEAL.
657
00:34:09,061 --> 00:34:11,478
THAT A COUNTRY THAT IS SO POOR,
658
00:34:11,561 --> 00:34:14,645
AND HAS ONLY TEN PERCENT OF
ITS POPULATION WITH CELL PHONES,
659
00:34:14,728 --> 00:34:16,937
COULD ACTUALLY
WAGE A CYBER ATTACK
660
00:34:17,019 --> 00:34:19,478
AGAINST ONE OF OUR MOST
POWERFUL MOVIE STUDIOS
661
00:34:19,561 --> 00:34:23,436
AND A MAJOR CORPORATION,
AND CREATE AN INTERNATIONAL CRISIS.
662
00:34:28,019 --> 00:34:31,645
Hurd: THE SONY ATTACK
CHANGED THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION
663
00:34:31,728 --> 00:34:33,687
OF WHAT A CYBER ATTACK WAS.
664
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:35,853
PRIOR TO SONY, PEOPLE BELIEVED,
665
00:34:35,937 --> 00:34:39,353
"OH, SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO STEAL
MY CREDIT CARD INFORMATION."
666
00:34:39,436 --> 00:34:43,853
"THEY'RE TRYING TO STEAL MY SOCIAL
SECURITY IN ORDER TO COMMIT FRAUD."
667
00:34:43,937 --> 00:34:47,728
SONY WAS PURELY AN
ATTACK TO DESTROY.
668
00:35:01,269 --> 00:35:04,103
2014 SAW, FOR THE FIRST TIME,
669
00:35:04,186 --> 00:35:07,353
DESTRUCTIVE CYBER ATTACKS
CARRIED OUT ON US SOIL
670
00:35:07,436 --> 00:35:09,186
BY NATION-STATE ENTITIES.
671
00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:11,395
MARKED FIRST BY
THE IRANIAN ATTACK
672
00:35:11,478 --> 00:35:13,812
AGAINST THE LAS VEGAS
SANDS CASINO CORPORATION
673
00:35:13,895 --> 00:35:15,353
A YEAR AGO THIS MONTH,
674
00:35:15,436 --> 00:35:19,186
AND THE NORTH KOREAN ATTACK
AGAINST SONY IN NOVEMBER.
675
00:35:19,269 --> 00:35:22,436
While the both of these nations
have lesser technical capabilities
676
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,853
in comparison to
Russia and China,
677
00:35:24,937 --> 00:35:27,436
these destructive
attacks demonstrate that
678
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,436
Iran and North Korea are motivated
and unpredictable cyber actors.
679
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,520
Russia and China
continue to develop
680
00:35:34,603 --> 00:35:37,103
very sophisticated
cyber programs.
681
00:35:37,186 --> 00:35:39,144
And while I can't
go into detail here,
682
00:35:39,228 --> 00:35:41,269
the Russian cyber
threat is more severe
683
00:35:41,353 --> 00:35:43,645
than we had previously assessed.
684
00:35:54,728 --> 00:35:57,895
THESE DAYS,
ONE MUST ALWAYS GET HIRED BY THE LAWYERS,
685
00:35:57,978 --> 00:36:00,663
BECAUSE THE LAWYERS ARE THE FIRST
CALL OF A COMPANY THAT GETS HACKED.
686
00:36:00,687 --> 00:36:02,937
Because there might be
lawsuits that would follow
687
00:36:03,019 --> 00:36:04,829
from, uh,
from the announcement over the breach,
688
00:36:04,853 --> 00:36:07,853
so, very, very typically we get
a call from a law firm that says,
689
00:36:07,937 --> 00:36:10,770
"One of our clients, uh,
thinks they may have an issue.
690
00:36:10,853 --> 00:36:12,037
Can you come in and help them?"
691
00:36:12,061 --> 00:36:13,853
In this case, it was the DNC.
692
00:36:16,937 --> 00:36:18,395
THE CALL CAME ON A FRIDAY,
693
00:36:18,478 --> 00:36:20,812
SO IT TOOK US A FEW DAYS
FOR US TO GO INTO THE NETWORK
694
00:36:20,895 --> 00:36:24,311
AND FIND INFECTED
MACHINES ON THE NETWORK.
695
00:36:24,395 --> 00:36:25,978
This wasn't just on one system.
696
00:36:26,061 --> 00:36:29,144
There were hundreds of
systems that were being impacted.
697
00:36:30,353 --> 00:36:32,269
WE START LOOKING AT THE MALWARE
698
00:36:32,353 --> 00:36:35,561
AND IMMEDIATELY REALIZED THAT THIS WAS
MALWARE WE HAD SEEN MANY TIMES BEFORE.
699
00:36:35,645 --> 00:36:39,395
THAT WE HAD HIGH CONFIDENCE
ATTRIBUTION TO THE GRU,
700
00:36:39,478 --> 00:36:41,645
THE RUSSIAN
MILITARY INTELLIGENCE.
701
00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:48,520
WE'RE SEEING THEM SPREAD
FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM,
702
00:36:48,603 --> 00:36:51,478
TOUCH FILES,
TAKE THOSE FILES OUT OF THE NETWORK,
703
00:36:51,561 --> 00:36:53,770
STEALING DATA,
MONITORING EVERYTHING.
704
00:36:53,853 --> 00:36:55,395
You can't just shut
down one machine
705
00:36:55,478 --> 00:36:56,937
because they're everywhere.
706
00:36:57,019 --> 00:36:59,186
So you have to shut everything down,
um,
707
00:36:59,269 --> 00:37:02,103
and spend several days
rebuilding all the infrastructure.
708
00:37:02,186 --> 00:37:05,937
We told, um, the DNC, "When do
you want us to do this remediation?"
709
00:37:07,603 --> 00:37:10,687
AT THE TIME,
THE PRIMARIES WERE IN FULL SWING.
710
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,395
HILLARY CLINTON HAD NOT YET
LOCKED DOWN HER NOMINATION,
711
00:37:13,478 --> 00:37:16,978
so they said, "Let's plan for
four or five weeks from now,
712
00:37:17,061 --> 00:37:20,228
um, when the primaries are
over and we're not under the gun."
713
00:37:20,311 --> 00:37:22,978
Waiting a few weeks
did not seem outrageous.
714
00:37:23,061 --> 00:37:24,421
Of course over
that period of time,
715
00:37:24,478 --> 00:37:26,037
the Russians continued
stealing documents,
716
00:37:26,061 --> 00:37:28,645
and we're sort of
helplessly watching them.
717
00:37:30,603 --> 00:37:34,395
I WAS REALLY CONFUSED
AND DISTURBED
718
00:37:34,478 --> 00:37:36,812
BY WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
719
00:37:36,895 --> 00:37:41,186
But initially, uh,
the FBI didn't take it all that seriously,
720
00:37:41,269 --> 00:37:44,770
and so,
it wasn't rising to the level of,
721
00:37:44,853 --> 00:37:49,061
of urgent, you know,
five-alarm fire, uh, drill.
722
00:37:49,144 --> 00:37:51,269
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE
HILLARY CLINTON
723
00:37:51,353 --> 00:37:55,144
ON MAKING HISTORY AS THE
PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE
724
00:37:55,228 --> 00:37:58,103
- FOR PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
725
00:37:58,186 --> 00:38:00,603
FINALLY, IN JUNE OF 2016,
726
00:38:00,687 --> 00:38:03,019
WE KICKED THE RUSSIANS
OUT OF THE DNC NETWORK.
727
00:38:03,103 --> 00:38:04,520
This just in to CNN.
728
00:38:04,603 --> 00:38:06,937
Russian hackers
managed to infiltrate
729
00:38:07,019 --> 00:38:09,603
the computer network at the
Democratic National Committee.
730
00:38:09,687 --> 00:38:13,103
The researchers were roaming
around the network for about a year,
731
00:38:13,186 --> 00:38:15,269
but were removed this weekend.
732
00:38:15,353 --> 00:38:16,687
We've talked to DNC officials.
733
00:38:16,770 --> 00:38:19,520
We've also talked to the outside
firm that the DNC brought in
734
00:38:19,603 --> 00:38:21,563
when they recognized that
there was an issue here.
735
00:38:21,603 --> 00:38:22,978
That firm called CrowdStrike.
736
00:38:23,061 --> 00:38:26,186
There was a small blip on the,
on the, on the news cycle
737
00:38:26,269 --> 00:38:29,144
that day, of, "Oh,
Russia's hacking the DNC,"
738
00:38:29,228 --> 00:38:31,645
but national media
moved on within hours,
739
00:38:31,728 --> 00:38:34,520
and, uh, I thought that was
gonna be the end of the story.
740
00:38:37,186 --> 00:38:41,395
BUT THEN ON THE EVE OF THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION...
741
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,395
WIKILEAKS DUMPS THE EMAILS.
742
00:38:49,061 --> 00:38:51,978
GOOD EVENING. THEIR PARTY'S
CHAIRMAN OFF THE PROGRAM,
743
00:38:52,061 --> 00:38:53,978
an apparent Russian email hack,
744
00:38:54,061 --> 00:38:56,478
and now a revolt among
Bernie Sanders supporters.
745
00:38:56,561 --> 00:39:00,019
Welcome to day one of the
Democratic National Convention.
746
00:39:02,228 --> 00:39:05,353
THE INFORMATION STOLEN
FROM THOSE SERVERS IN THE DNC,
747
00:39:05,436 --> 00:39:07,728
SUDDENLY IT BEGINS
TO SURFACE IN THIS WAY
748
00:39:07,812 --> 00:39:09,770
that was presaged
by the Sony attack,
749
00:39:09,853 --> 00:39:11,019
and the Sands Corp attack.
750
00:39:11,103 --> 00:39:12,812
EMAILS RELEASED BY WIKILEAKS,
751
00:39:12,895 --> 00:39:16,228
PROVING THE DNC HAD FAVORED
HILLARY CLINTON OVER SANDERS.
752
00:39:16,311 --> 00:39:19,245
Comes out through WikiLeaks, which
makes everything searchable so you'd be,
753
00:39:19,269 --> 00:39:21,520
you know,
there'll be a dump of 20,000 emails
754
00:39:21,603 --> 00:39:23,663
and you just type in some
names if you're a reporter,
755
00:39:23,687 --> 00:39:25,061
and suddenly you've got a story.
756
00:39:25,144 --> 00:39:26,853
THE THOUSANDS OF HACKED EMAILS
757
00:39:26,937 --> 00:39:28,103
LEAKED TO WIKILEAKS
758
00:39:28,186 --> 00:39:30,353
ROCKED THE DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL COMMITTEE.
759
00:39:31,853 --> 00:39:33,061
I'm so proud...
760
00:39:35,478 --> 00:39:37,561
ONE OF THE THINGS
THEY WERE DOING
761
00:39:37,645 --> 00:39:43,728
was trying to stir up trouble
between the Bernie delegates
762
00:39:43,812 --> 00:39:45,728
and, and, and our forces.
763
00:39:45,812 --> 00:39:48,269
BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS
SAY THE EMAILS PROVED
764
00:39:48,353 --> 00:39:50,812
THE PARTY FAVORED
HILLARY CLINTON ALL ALONG.
765
00:39:50,895 --> 00:39:52,812
It just validated
everything we thought.
766
00:39:52,895 --> 00:39:55,520
That this was completely
rigged right from the beginning.
767
00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:58,269
BY USING THAT STOLEN MATERIAL,
768
00:39:58,353 --> 00:40:01,937
THE MEDIA INJECTED THE IDEA THAT
THE DNC HAD RIGGED THE ENTIRE PROCESS
769
00:40:02,019 --> 00:40:04,311
AGAINST BERNIE SANDERS.
AND THERE'S A KERNEL OF TRUTH.
770
00:40:04,395 --> 00:40:07,812
Clearly there are people in the
DNC who didn't like Bernie Sanders.
771
00:40:07,895 --> 00:40:09,663
But that doesn't mean
the whole process is rigged.
772
00:40:09,687 --> 00:40:12,770
And the media allowed them
to go from the kernel of truth
773
00:40:12,853 --> 00:40:14,728
to the conventional wisdom,
774
00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:16,353
BECAUSE IT SOLD PAPERS,
775
00:40:16,436 --> 00:40:19,561
AND IT GOT PEOPLE TO WATCH TV.
776
00:40:19,645 --> 00:40:23,478
BUT THEY WERE AMPLIFYING THE MESSAGES
THAT THE RUSSIANS WANTED AMPLIFIED.
777
00:40:26,311 --> 00:40:28,728
IN THAT PILE OF INFORMATION
778
00:40:28,812 --> 00:40:30,395
THAT'S COME FROM THE DNC,
779
00:40:30,478 --> 00:40:33,978
there were some documents that
were campaign finance documents
780
00:40:34,061 --> 00:40:35,895
FROM THE CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD...
781
00:40:35,978 --> 00:40:39,061
HAD BEEN UNLIKELY
TO BE AT THE DNC.
782
00:40:39,853 --> 00:40:42,937
SO,
THE CAMPAIGN BEGAN TO LOOK AT
783
00:40:43,019 --> 00:40:45,019
where might those
have originated.
784
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,978
TURNED OUT, IN THE SPRING,
785
00:40:49,061 --> 00:40:51,937
ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO
HAD ACCESS TO MY EMAIL ACCOUNT
786
00:40:52,019 --> 00:40:55,228
HAD SEEN WHAT WAS
A FAIRLY PROFESSIONAL
787
00:40:55,311 --> 00:40:59,561
PHISHING OPERATION,
LOOKING TO BE FROM GOOGLE.
788
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,853
SHE REPORTED THAT TO THE PEOPLE
789
00:41:02,937 --> 00:41:06,728
IN THE TECH SECURITY
SIDE OF THE CAMPAIGN.
790
00:41:06,812 --> 00:41:13,269
HE SENT BACK AN EMAIL TO MY
ASSISTANT SAYING THAT IT WAS REAL,
791
00:41:13,353 --> 00:41:16,019
AND THAT I SHOULD
CHANGE MY CREDENTIALS.
792
00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:18,812
SHE THEN CLICKED ON THE LINK,
793
00:41:18,895 --> 00:41:22,561
AND THAT'S HOW I WAS
HACKED BY THE RUSSIANS.
794
00:41:22,645 --> 00:41:26,395
But at that point, we weren't sure
what the extent of the breach had been.
795
00:41:30,019 --> 00:41:32,978
IN THE SUMMER AND FALL OF 2016,
796
00:41:33,061 --> 00:41:35,978
THERE WERE MANY MEETINGS
ABOUT THE RUSSIANS.
797
00:41:36,061 --> 00:41:39,895
There was a lot of back
and forth about what to do.
798
00:41:40,978 --> 00:41:43,269
WE BEGAN TO GET INFORMATION
799
00:41:43,353 --> 00:41:47,895
ABOUT CYBER ACTIVITY THAT WAS FOCUSED
ON OUR VOTER REGISTRATION DATABASES.
800
00:41:49,353 --> 00:41:52,812
And we realized that it was
probably about disrupting
801
00:41:52,895 --> 00:41:55,311
the integrity of that data.
802
00:41:55,395 --> 00:41:58,311
THE RUSSIANS COULD GO INTO A
VOTER REGISTRATION DATABASE
803
00:41:58,395 --> 00:41:59,937
AND CHANGE THAT DATA,
804
00:42:00,019 --> 00:42:03,353
SO THAT ON ELECTION DAY,
WHEN VOTERS SHOW UP TO VOTE,
805
00:42:03,436 --> 00:42:05,186
THEY ARE TURNED AWAY.
806
00:42:05,269 --> 00:42:07,019
THERE IS CHAOS AT
THE VOTING PLACE,
807
00:42:07,103 --> 00:42:10,228
because the name doesn't
match the identification,
808
00:42:10,311 --> 00:42:13,978
and you could
disrupt election day
809
00:42:14,061 --> 00:42:16,061
to the degree that
the American public
810
00:42:16,144 --> 00:42:18,520
would doubt the
legitimacy of the process,
811
00:42:18,603 --> 00:42:22,395
and then potentially,
the legitimacy of the outcome.
812
00:42:24,144 --> 00:42:27,561
THAT'S WHAT OBAMA'S FOCUS WAS.
813
00:42:27,645 --> 00:42:30,770
WHEN OBAMA SAW
PUTIN IN SEPTEMBER,
814
00:42:31,436 --> 00:42:34,228
HE BASICALLY THREATENED HIM
815
00:42:34,311 --> 00:42:36,853
THAT IF THEY TRIED
SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
816
00:42:36,937 --> 00:42:39,478
THERE'D BE SEVERE CONSEQUENCES.
817
00:42:39,561 --> 00:42:42,436
WHAT I THINK THEY
UNDERAPPRECIATED
818
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,603
WAS HOW MUCH EFFECT THE RUSSIANS
COULD HAVE FROM THE HACKING,
819
00:42:46,687 --> 00:42:50,436
and from their massive
disinformation operation.
820
00:42:54,228 --> 00:42:56,103
Stamos: DURING THE ELECTION,
821
00:42:56,186 --> 00:42:58,144
WE HAD A DEDICATED
TEAM AT FACEBOOK
822
00:42:58,228 --> 00:43:00,853
WHOSE JOB IT WAS TO
LOOK FOR RUSSIAN ACTORS.
823
00:43:00,937 --> 00:43:05,436
AND WE HAD FOUND GRU
ACTIVITY. WE HAD FOUND DCLEAKS.
824
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,269
We had found them
pushing disinformation,
825
00:43:07,353 --> 00:43:08,645
but not really at scale.
826
00:43:08,728 --> 00:43:10,478
And we didn't really understand
827
00:43:10,561 --> 00:43:13,520
what was behind the vast
majority of this fake news.
828
00:43:14,978 --> 00:43:17,019
BUT RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION,
829
00:43:17,103 --> 00:43:19,228
WE TOOK ALL OF THE
POLITICAL ADS THAT WERE RUN
830
00:43:19,311 --> 00:43:21,436
IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE
YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION.
831
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,162
AND THEN WE FIGURED OUT ALL THE
ACCOUNTS THAT WERE POSSIBLY TIED TO IT.
832
00:43:24,186 --> 00:43:27,186
So this is the people who ran the ad,
but then also,
833
00:43:27,269 --> 00:43:29,895
people who used the same
computer as the person who ran an ad.
834
00:43:29,978 --> 00:43:33,269
Or people who have used the same
phone as the person who ran the ad.
835
00:43:33,353 --> 00:43:35,311
And then for every single
one of those accounts,
836
00:43:35,395 --> 00:43:37,728
we looked for
possible links to Russia.
837
00:43:37,812 --> 00:43:40,728
We start pulling that thread,
and then we eventually find this cluster
838
00:43:40,812 --> 00:43:43,853
that we can all link together,
and that was the Internet Research Agency.
839
00:43:51,395 --> 00:43:53,228
THE INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY,
LLC
840
00:43:53,311 --> 00:43:55,770
IS BASICALLY A BUILDING
IN ST. PETERSBURG
841
00:43:55,853 --> 00:43:57,853
WITH A BUNCH OF
TROLLS SITTING THERE
842
00:43:57,937 --> 00:44:01,353
TRYING TO DRIVE
DIVISIONS IN US SOCIETY.
843
00:44:01,436 --> 00:44:03,978
IT'S EXISTED FOR YEARS
AND YEARS AT THIS POINT.
844
00:44:04,061 --> 00:44:06,478
And they've done
propaganda work in Russia,
845
00:44:06,561 --> 00:44:08,978
and Ukraine, and the like.
846
00:44:09,061 --> 00:44:12,812
THE IRA SPECIFICALLY SENT PEOPLE
TO THE UNITED STATES TO STUDY
847
00:44:12,895 --> 00:44:15,144
THE POLITICAL SPHERE IN THE US
848
00:44:15,228 --> 00:44:17,353
AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
THE PRESSURE POINTS WERE.
849
00:44:17,770 --> 00:44:19,353
SO IN 2016,
850
00:44:19,436 --> 00:44:21,728
THEY WERE CREATING THESE
FAKE AMERICAN PERSONAS,
851
00:44:21,812 --> 00:44:25,144
and then running
ads as political groups.
852
00:44:34,728 --> 00:44:36,561
THE DEPTH OF THE
CONTENT WAS SURPRISING.
853
00:44:36,645 --> 00:44:39,978
Our assumption was that all of this
content would be on one side, politically.
854
00:44:40,061 --> 00:44:42,269
BUT WHAT THEY HAD
DONE VERY EFFECTIVELY
855
00:44:42,353 --> 00:44:44,520
WAS FIND A FRICTION POINT
856
00:44:44,603 --> 00:44:47,061
AND THEN TRY TO MANIPULATE
PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.
857
00:44:48,478 --> 00:44:50,978
THE NUMBER-ONE TOPIC WAS
ACTUALLY BLACK LIVES MATTER.
858
00:44:51,061 --> 00:44:54,061
THEY CREATED A FAKE
PERSONA TO PRETEND TO BE
859
00:44:54,144 --> 00:44:56,645
A PRO-BLACK LIVES
MATTER ACTIVIST.
860
00:44:57,311 --> 00:44:58,978
AND TO PUSH NARRATIVES
861
00:44:59,061 --> 00:45:01,144
THAT BOTH WOULD MAYBE RADICALIZE
862
00:45:01,228 --> 00:45:02,871
PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPORTIVE
OF BLACK LIVES MATTER,
863
00:45:02,895 --> 00:45:04,645
BUT ALSO LOOK RADICAL
864
00:45:04,728 --> 00:45:06,103
TO MORE MODERATE PEOPLE
865
00:45:06,186 --> 00:45:08,061
WHO COULD SAY, LIKE, "OH,
LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE.
866
00:45:08,144 --> 00:45:11,436
YEAH, THEY'RE,
THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY NUTS."
867
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,687
THEY EVEN, IN A COUPLE OF CASES,
TRIED TO CREATE PROTESTS
868
00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:17,186
WHERE A PRO-IMMIGRATION GROUP
AND AN ANTI-IMMIGRATION GROUP
869
00:45:17,269 --> 00:45:21,687
PROTEST ONE ANOTHER BY INVITING PEOPLE
TO EVENTS THAT WERE AT THE SAME TIME.
870
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:24,895
Down with the racists!
Down with the Nazis!
871
00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:33,895
WE WERE SURPRISED THAT
872
00:45:33,978 --> 00:45:36,061
PUTIN WOULD CARE SO MUCH
873
00:45:36,144 --> 00:45:39,269
ABOUT WHO THE
NEXT PRESIDENT WAS.
874
00:45:39,353 --> 00:45:43,770
That he was so intent
upon damaging me,
875
00:45:43,853 --> 00:45:45,436
DAMAGING MY CAMPAIGN,
876
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,103
PREVENTING ME, IF HE COULD,
FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT.
877
00:45:49,186 --> 00:45:51,978
AND ALSO HOW ADEPT THEY WERE
878
00:45:52,061 --> 00:45:55,561
IN SOWING DISINFORMATION,
MISINFORMATION.
879
00:45:55,645 --> 00:45:58,478
IT WAS UNLIKE ANYTHING
WE'D EVER SEEN.
880
00:46:01,311 --> 00:46:03,436
Stamos: NONE OF US KIND
OF CONCEPTUALIZED THIS
881
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,269
AS THE KIND OF GROUPS
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
882
00:46:07,144 --> 00:46:09,186
INTELLIGENCE TEAMS
AT THE COMPANIES,
883
00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:11,728
AND IN PLACES LIKE NSA
AND THE US GOVERNMENT,
884
00:46:11,812 --> 00:46:15,061
WERE FOCUSED ON VERY
TRADITIONAL THREAT ACTORS.
885
00:46:18,353 --> 00:46:21,478
GENERAL CLAPPER'S
THIS OLD COLD WARRIOR.
886
00:46:21,561 --> 00:46:25,228
GREW UP AS THE SON
OF AN AIR FORCE OFFICER,
887
00:46:25,311 --> 00:46:27,728
BECOMES AN AIR FORCE
INTELLIGENCE OFFICER.
888
00:46:27,812 --> 00:46:31,770
And yet, the cyber conflicts
889
00:46:31,853 --> 00:46:34,269
that are springing
up during his time
890
00:46:34,353 --> 00:46:36,436
as director of
National Intelligence
891
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,853
ARE AN ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT KIND OF THREAT
892
00:46:38,937 --> 00:46:41,770
THAT HE'S JUST TRYING
TO KEEP ON TOP OF.
893
00:46:41,853 --> 00:46:44,144
AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN,
894
00:46:44,228 --> 00:46:47,770
HE KEEPS GETTING
CAUGHT BY SURPRISE.
895
00:46:47,853 --> 00:46:49,561
It's not his fault.
896
00:46:49,645 --> 00:46:53,103
We had never built
an intelligence network
897
00:46:53,186 --> 00:46:55,603
designed to pick this stuff up.
898
00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:58,561
BUT THERE HE IS IN NORTH KOREA
899
00:46:58,645 --> 00:47:00,978
WHILE THE NORTH
KOREANS ARE INSIDE SONY.
900
00:47:01,061 --> 00:47:04,019
AND THERE HE WAS,
SITTING ON A SYSTEM
901
00:47:04,103 --> 00:47:06,728
THAT FAILED TO
RAISE A TIMELY ALARM
902
00:47:06,812 --> 00:47:08,645
TO THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES
903
00:47:08,728 --> 00:47:12,144
THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE INSIDE
THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE.
904
00:47:12,228 --> 00:47:14,186
Much less inside Facebook.
905
00:47:19,728 --> 00:47:23,937
YOU KNOW, 20/20 HINDSIGHT,
IT'S ALL, IT'S PERFECT VISION.
906
00:47:24,019 --> 00:47:28,311
At the time,
there was concern about publicizing this,
907
00:47:28,395 --> 00:47:32,770
because by doing so,
we'd simply amplify its importance.
908
00:47:32,853 --> 00:47:35,812
And I think, as well,
there was reluctance
909
00:47:35,895 --> 00:47:38,520
to be seen by the
last administration as
910
00:47:38,603 --> 00:47:40,436
putting its hand on the scale
911
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,520
in favor of one candidate,
or appearing to do that,
912
00:47:43,603 --> 00:47:45,645
TO THE DISFAVOR OF THE OTHER.
913
00:47:45,728 --> 00:47:47,687
The system, folks, is rigged.
914
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:51,353
It's a rigged, disgusting,
dirty system.
915
00:47:51,436 --> 00:47:53,395
It's a dirty system.
916
00:47:54,269 --> 00:47:56,520
Then candidate
Trump was alleging
917
00:47:56,603 --> 00:47:59,311
that if he didn't win the election,
it was rigged.
918
00:47:59,395 --> 00:48:01,186
So, there was reluctance to,
919
00:48:01,269 --> 00:48:04,144
you know, to play to that...
To play to that narrative.
920
00:48:08,144 --> 00:48:10,728
BUT THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT
THE RUSSIANS WERE DOING
921
00:48:10,812 --> 00:48:14,061
GREW BOTH IN
EXPANSE AND CLARITY.
922
00:48:14,144 --> 00:48:16,353
AND ON THE 7TH OF OCTOBER,
923
00:48:16,436 --> 00:48:18,770
WE FINALLY CAME OUT
WITH A PUBLIC STATEMENT,
924
00:48:18,853 --> 00:48:20,645
which was a pretty
forthcoming statement
925
00:48:20,728 --> 00:48:22,353
about the Russian interference.
926
00:48:22,436 --> 00:48:24,436
THERE'S MORE BREAKING NEWS
WE'RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT.
927
00:48:24,478 --> 00:48:26,728
THE UNITED STATES
NOW OPENLY SAYING
928
00:48:26,812 --> 00:48:30,395
THAT RUSSIA IS DIRECTLY BEHIND
A SERIES OF CYBER ATTACKS
929
00:48:30,478 --> 00:48:33,061
targeting the upcoming
presidential election.
930
00:48:33,144 --> 00:48:36,061
Well, unfortunately our message
was completely emasculated.
931
00:48:36,144 --> 00:48:39,395
A recording of Donald Trump
made more than a decade ago...
932
00:48:39,478 --> 00:48:43,269
Because that's the same day that the
"Access Hollywood" audio tape came out.
933
00:48:43,353 --> 00:48:45,311
You won't want young
children to hear it.
934
00:48:53,395 --> 00:48:56,395
The letter from the intelligence
community comes out.
935
00:48:56,478 --> 00:48:58,728
The "Access Hollywood"
tape comes out
936
00:48:58,812 --> 00:49:00,436
all in one day.
937
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,269
And WikiLeaks starts
dumping my emails
938
00:49:03,353 --> 00:49:06,144
an hour after the "Access
Hollywood" tape comes out.
939
00:49:06,228 --> 00:49:08,478
You can judge whether
that's a coincidence.
940
00:49:08,561 --> 00:49:10,520
Two thousand more emails
have been posted online,
941
00:49:10,603 --> 00:49:12,103
apparently from
the hacked account
942
00:49:12,186 --> 00:49:14,395
OF HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN JOHN PODESTA.
943
00:49:14,478 --> 00:49:18,269
Thousands of hacked emails from
her campaign chairman, John Podesta.
944
00:49:18,353 --> 00:49:19,937
Third installment
of the hacked emails
945
00:49:20,019 --> 00:49:22,603
from Hillary Clinton's campaign
chairman John Podesta,
946
00:49:22,687 --> 00:49:24,520
and so far,
the messages have provided a look
947
00:49:24,603 --> 00:49:26,978
into the inner workings
of the Clinton camp.
948
00:49:27,061 --> 00:49:31,812
Most of those ended
up being of little import.
949
00:49:34,645 --> 00:49:36,395
I'm a boring sort of guy.
950
00:49:36,478 --> 00:49:38,561
ONE EMAIL REVEALS A DISAGREEMENT
951
00:49:38,645 --> 00:49:40,687
BETWEEN TOP CLINTON
AIDE HUMA ABEDIN
952
00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:43,103
AND PODESTA OVER
CLINTON'S PRESS STRATEGY.
953
00:49:43,186 --> 00:49:44,770
A lot of this was gossip.
954
00:49:44,853 --> 00:49:46,937
IN ANOTHER EMAIL,
A LONGTIME CLINTON AIDE
955
00:49:47,019 --> 00:49:50,144
REFERS TO CHELSEA CLINTON AS A,
QUOTE, "SPOILED BRAT."
956
00:49:50,228 --> 00:49:53,687
But people thought,
well, if it's secret,
957
00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:55,687
or if it's stolen,
958
00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:57,978
it must be more sexy.
959
00:49:58,061 --> 00:49:59,770
It's kind of shadowy.
960
00:49:59,853 --> 00:50:01,978
"They didn't want you
to know this much."
961
00:50:02,061 --> 00:50:03,770
Like any good peek
behind the curtains,
962
00:50:03,853 --> 00:50:06,812
they show things the campaign
obviously would rather keep under wraps.
963
00:50:06,895 --> 00:50:08,978
The Clinton emails
are fascinating
964
00:50:09,061 --> 00:50:10,728
and hilarious
reading in some ways.
965
00:50:10,812 --> 00:50:12,913
So is it more like "Veep" or
is it more like "West Wing"?
966
00:50:12,937 --> 00:50:16,144
We were very frustrated.
967
00:50:16,228 --> 00:50:19,311
THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A
HOSTILE FOREIGN GOVERNMENT
968
00:50:19,395 --> 00:50:21,103
INTERFERING IN THE ELECTION
969
00:50:21,186 --> 00:50:25,353
was never really part of
what the coverage was.
970
00:50:25,436 --> 00:50:28,103
I would just add, you know,
this should be of concern to everyone
971
00:50:28,186 --> 00:50:31,812
that the Russians are trying
to influence our election.
972
00:50:31,895 --> 00:50:34,561
YOU KNOW,
EVERYBODY WAS CLEARLY INFORMED
973
00:50:34,645 --> 00:50:37,019
ABOUT MY EMAIL MISTAKES,
BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW
974
00:50:37,103 --> 00:50:40,436
there was an active campaign
against us by the Russians.
975
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,812
THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAD PERSONNEL
976
00:50:43,895 --> 00:50:47,103
ASSOCIATED WITH IT,
WHO WERE ALSO BEING INVESTIGATED.
977
00:50:47,186 --> 00:50:50,353
IF YOU LOOK AT TRUMP'S
CAMPAIGN THE LAST MONTH,
978
00:50:50,436 --> 00:50:53,687
he mentioned
WikiLeaks over 160 times.
979
00:50:53,770 --> 00:50:56,687
And they used the most perverse
980
00:50:56,770 --> 00:50:59,853
TWISTING OF ANYTHING
IN JOHN PODESTA'S EMAILS
981
00:50:59,937 --> 00:51:02,645
to create controversy,
982
00:51:02,728 --> 00:51:05,186
and, uh, sow distrust.
983
00:51:05,269 --> 00:51:08,687
A Russian news outlet just totally
misrepresented one of these emails,
984
00:51:08,770 --> 00:51:10,061
and then Donald Trump read it.
985
00:51:10,144 --> 00:51:11,704
She's now admitting
that they could have
986
00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:13,228
done something about Benghazi.
987
00:51:13,311 --> 00:51:15,228
This just came out
a little while ago.
988
00:51:15,311 --> 00:51:17,269
There was, like,
an email story every day,
989
00:51:17,353 --> 00:51:20,895
and then Comey drops
this hand grenade on us.
990
00:51:20,978 --> 00:51:22,895
THE OCTOBER SURPRISE
CAME IN THE FORM
991
00:51:22,978 --> 00:51:25,186
OF A THREE-PARAGRAPH
LETTER TO CONGRESS
992
00:51:25,269 --> 00:51:27,103
FROM FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY,
993
00:51:27,186 --> 00:51:30,061
WHO WROTE THAT AGENTS
ON AN UNRELATED CASE
994
00:51:30,144 --> 00:51:32,061
HAD LEARNED OF THE
EXISTENCE OF EMAILS
995
00:51:32,144 --> 00:51:35,144
THAT APPEAR TO BE PERTINENT
TO THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION.
996
00:51:35,228 --> 00:51:37,353
It's the wilderness
of mirrors now,
997
00:51:37,436 --> 00:51:39,728
in terms of investigation
upon investigation.
998
00:51:39,812 --> 00:51:42,812
We have to investigate
Hillary Clinton,
999
00:51:42,895 --> 00:51:47,353
and we have to
investigate the investigation.
1000
00:51:47,436 --> 00:51:49,895
THIS IS OUT OF A
RUSSIAN PLAYBOOK.
1001
00:51:49,978 --> 00:51:52,395
"When nothing is real,
everything is possible,"
1002
00:51:52,478 --> 00:51:53,895
as one of Putin's critics said.
1003
00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:55,978
I don't think anybody
knows it was Russia
1004
00:51:56,061 --> 00:51:58,812
that broke into the DNC. She's
saying Russia, Russia, Russia.
1005
00:51:58,895 --> 00:52:00,561
But I don't... Maybe it was.
1006
00:52:00,645 --> 00:52:02,603
It also could be somebody
sitting on their bed
1007
00:52:02,687 --> 00:52:05,269
that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
1008
00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:07,687
It begins to kind of
1009
00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:10,770
destroy any trust
that people have.
1010
00:52:10,853 --> 00:52:12,228
Do you make the same commitment
1011
00:52:12,311 --> 00:52:14,937
that you will absolutely accept
the result of this election?
1012
00:52:15,019 --> 00:52:16,812
I will look at it at the time.
1013
00:52:16,895 --> 00:52:20,812
And that really destroys
the credibility of democracy.
1014
00:52:20,895 --> 00:52:22,978
That's what Putin wants.
1015
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:31,728
WE LOOK AT OUR ELECTRONIC
SUPERIMPOSED MAP OF THE NATION
1016
00:52:31,812 --> 00:52:34,603
HERE OUT BACK 30
ROCKEFELLER PLAZA
1017
00:52:34,687 --> 00:52:37,520
IN NEW YORK,
WHERE THE SUN WILL BE RISING,
1018
00:52:37,603 --> 00:52:40,770
UH,
ON THE PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD JOHN TRUMP
1019
00:52:40,853 --> 00:52:42,937
OF QUEENS, NEW YORK.
1020
00:52:53,228 --> 00:52:55,853
I felt like, you know,
my insides had fallen out.
1021
00:52:55,937 --> 00:53:00,103
It's like,
I mean... devastating.
1022
00:53:06,353 --> 00:53:10,061
FOR MONTHS,
THE NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT IS UNDER FIRE
1023
00:53:10,144 --> 00:53:12,520
FOR HOW HE'S
DEALING WITH RUSSIA.
1024
00:53:12,603 --> 00:53:14,019
I know a lot about hacking.
1025
00:53:14,103 --> 00:53:16,061
And hacking is a very
hard thing to prove.
1026
00:53:16,144 --> 00:53:17,687
So, it could be somebody else.
1027
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:21,269
And I also know things
that other people don't know,
1028
00:53:21,353 --> 00:53:26,395
and so,
they cannot be sure of this situation.
1029
00:53:26,478 --> 00:53:31,353
And everybody is awaiting his
first meeting ever with Vladimir Putin.
1030
00:53:31,436 --> 00:53:33,770
WHICH TOOK PLACE IN HAMBURG,
GERMANY.
1031
00:53:35,269 --> 00:53:37,019
SO WE ALL FLY INTO HAMBURG.
1032
00:53:37,103 --> 00:53:39,728
TRUMP MEETS PUTIN, FIRST TIME.
1033
00:53:39,812 --> 00:53:41,520
HAS A LONG
CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
1034
00:53:41,603 --> 00:53:43,520
THEN AT THE DINNER THAT NIGHT,
1035
00:53:43,603 --> 00:53:46,353
GOES OFF AND HAS A SEPARATE
CONVERSATION WITH HIM
1036
00:53:46,436 --> 00:53:48,353
THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS WITNESSED.
1037
00:53:48,436 --> 00:53:52,770
President Putin and I have
been discussing various things,
1038
00:53:52,853 --> 00:53:54,395
and I think it's
going very well.
1039
00:53:54,478 --> 00:53:57,061
We've had some very,
very good talks.
1040
00:53:57,144 --> 00:53:59,395
I head back to my hotel room,
1041
00:53:59,478 --> 00:54:03,228
and as I'm checking out,
my cell phone rings.
1042
00:54:03,311 --> 00:54:04,978
It's the president.
1043
00:54:05,061 --> 00:54:09,061
"David,
I just had the most remarkable conversation
1044
00:54:09,144 --> 00:54:10,853
"with Vladimir Putin.
1045
00:54:10,937 --> 00:54:13,186
"And he tells me,
1046
00:54:13,269 --> 00:54:14,895
"that if it had
been the Russians
1047
00:54:14,978 --> 00:54:17,561
"who had meddled
in the election,
1048
00:54:17,645 --> 00:54:19,645
"we never would have seen them.
1049
00:54:19,728 --> 00:54:21,408
"And therefore,
it couldn't have been them,
1050
00:54:21,478 --> 00:54:22,913
"because they wouldn't
have been this sloppy.
1051
00:54:22,937 --> 00:54:25,978
"You write about this stuff.
You know about all of this.
1052
00:54:26,061 --> 00:54:28,061
He must be right."
1053
00:54:28,144 --> 00:54:31,395
The president was actually
looking for affirmation.
1054
00:54:31,478 --> 00:54:35,353
He was looking
for any way to deny
1055
00:54:35,436 --> 00:54:37,812
or cast doubt about
the question of whether
1056
00:54:37,895 --> 00:54:40,353
the Russians were
behind the hack.
1057
00:54:40,436 --> 00:54:42,478
AND AT THAT MOMENT YOU KNEW
1058
00:54:42,561 --> 00:54:44,353
THAT THE UNITED
STATES GOVERNMENT
1059
00:54:44,436 --> 00:54:46,728
WAS NOT GOING TO ORGANIZE ITSELF
1060
00:54:46,812 --> 00:54:49,103
TO PUSH BACK ON THE RUSSIANS.
1061
00:54:55,353 --> 00:54:57,311
LET'S BE CLEAR FROM THE OUTSET.
1062
00:54:57,395 --> 00:55:01,103
This is unlike any cyber
attack that we have seen before.
1063
00:55:01,186 --> 00:55:03,269
WE WANT TO START ON
THIS WEDNESDAY MORNING
1064
00:55:03,353 --> 00:55:04,633
WITH THAT CRIPPLING
CYBER ATTACK.
1065
00:55:04,687 --> 00:55:06,520
IT'S A NEW FORM OF RANSOMWARE...
1066
00:55:06,603 --> 00:55:08,645
It is hitting companies
around the world
1067
00:55:08,728 --> 00:55:12,186
holding their computer
systems hostage for money.
1068
00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:16,395
IN 2017,
SHORTLY AFTER TRUMP CAME INTO OFFICE,
1069
00:55:16,478 --> 00:55:19,103
we saw a dramatic escalation
1070
00:55:19,186 --> 00:55:23,978
in the scale and the scope
and the nature of cyber attacks.
1071
00:55:24,061 --> 00:55:28,311
THERE WAS A MASSIVE RANSOMWARE
ATTACK CALLED "NOTPETYA"
1072
00:55:28,395 --> 00:55:31,186
THAT STARTED IN UKRAINE.
1073
00:55:34,311 --> 00:55:36,728
IT WAS JUNE 2017.
1074
00:55:36,812 --> 00:55:40,478
I'm deputy head of the
presidential administration.
1075
00:55:40,561 --> 00:55:44,895
Took a few days' vacation to drop my,
uh, kids to the summer camp.
1076
00:55:44,978 --> 00:55:48,061
And in the morning, I start receiving
text messages from my team.
1077
00:55:48,978 --> 00:55:51,895
"WE THINK UKRAINE
IS UNDER ATTACK."
1078
00:55:51,978 --> 00:55:54,395
"OUR INFRASTRUCTURE
IS REGISTERING ATTACKS.
1079
00:55:54,478 --> 00:55:57,019
THE VIRUS IS
DESTROYING COMPUTERS."
1080
00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:59,019
YOU KNOW,
ATM MACHINES WERE NOT WORKING.
1081
00:55:59,103 --> 00:56:01,978
HOSPITALS REPORTED THEIR
COMPUTERS BEING DOWN.
1082
00:56:02,061 --> 00:56:05,353
TV STATION, GROCERY STORES...
1083
00:56:05,436 --> 00:56:09,144
It was devastating. It
was spreading like fire.
1084
00:56:10,561 --> 00:56:13,770
UKRAINE IS VLADIMIR
PUTIN'S PETRI DISH.
1085
00:56:13,853 --> 00:56:18,353
IT'S WHERE HE EXPERIMENTS
ON EVERY SINGLE TECHNIQUE
1086
00:56:18,436 --> 00:56:22,395
THAT HE ULTIMATELY ENDED
UP USING IN THE UNITED STATES.
1087
00:56:22,478 --> 00:56:25,395
Breaking into emails,
and making them public.
1088
00:56:25,478 --> 00:56:29,228
Sowing chaos
with disinformation.
1089
00:56:29,311 --> 00:56:32,687
RUSSIA WAS CONSTANTLY
TESTING DIFFERENT STRATEGIES,
1090
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:35,186
and different approaches,
in Ukraine.
1091
00:56:35,269 --> 00:56:37,353
ATTACKS ON THE ELECTRICAL GRID,
1092
00:56:37,436 --> 00:56:40,061
2015, 2016.
1093
00:56:40,144 --> 00:56:43,186
ATTACK ON THE TRANSPORTATION
INFRASTRUCTURE.
1094
00:56:43,269 --> 00:56:47,395
ODESSA AIRPORT,
UKRAINIAN SUBWAY IN KIEV.
1095
00:56:47,478 --> 00:56:50,353
You don't see the regular war.
1096
00:56:50,436 --> 00:56:54,311
But war is taking place,
and it's devastating.
1097
00:56:55,311 --> 00:56:57,228
WITH ITS NOTPETYA ATTACK,
1098
00:56:57,311 --> 00:56:59,228
WHAT THE RUSSIANS
DIDN'T COUNT ON
1099
00:56:59,311 --> 00:57:02,228
IS THAT THE SPREADING
ALGORITHMS THAT THEY PUT IN
1100
00:57:02,311 --> 00:57:03,853
WERE SO AGGRESSIVE THAT
1101
00:57:03,937 --> 00:57:06,395
it wouldn't just contain itself
to the network of one company.
1102
00:57:06,478 --> 00:57:09,228
ANY FIRMS WITH
ANY LINKS TO UKRAINE
1103
00:57:09,311 --> 00:57:12,645
ARE BEING CONTAMINATED
BY THIS CONTAGIOUS VIRUS.
1104
00:57:12,728 --> 00:57:16,395
It would quickly jump out,
and compromise contractors,
1105
00:57:16,478 --> 00:57:18,395
other networks that you
may be connected with.
1106
00:57:18,478 --> 00:57:21,061
It escapes the box,
and it begins to hit the corporations
1107
00:57:21,144 --> 00:57:22,603
and companies all
around the world.
1108
00:57:22,687 --> 00:57:24,978
MAERSK SHIPPING WAS ONE.
1109
00:57:25,061 --> 00:57:26,853
FEDEX WAS ANOTHER.
1110
00:57:26,937 --> 00:57:29,436
They lost hundreds of
millions of dollars of business
1111
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,186
just from the loss of
business operations
1112
00:57:32,269 --> 00:57:34,311
and the money they
had to pay to remediate
1113
00:57:34,395 --> 00:57:36,687
the damage to their systems.
1114
00:57:37,687 --> 00:57:39,978
THERE WAS ONE OTHER ASPECT
1115
00:57:40,061 --> 00:57:42,186
TO THE NOTPETYA ATTACKS
1116
00:57:42,269 --> 00:57:46,144
THAT MADE THIS STORY
REALLY COMPLICATED.
1117
00:57:46,228 --> 00:57:49,561
IT TURNED OUT THAT A
COMPONENT OF THE ATTACKS
1118
00:57:49,645 --> 00:57:53,061
HAD RELIED ON CODE
THAT HAD BEEN STOLEN
1119
00:57:53,144 --> 00:57:56,311
FROM INSIDE THE NSA.
1120
00:57:57,228 --> 00:57:59,144
IN THE SUMMER OF 2016,
1121
00:57:59,228 --> 00:58:02,812
A GROUP THAT CALLED
ITSELF THESHADOWBROKERS
1122
00:58:02,895 --> 00:58:07,228
BEGAN POSTING THOUSANDS
OF LINES OF THIS CODE
1123
00:58:07,311 --> 00:58:09,770
TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE NSA
1124
00:58:09,853 --> 00:58:12,353
THAT THEY HAD THE CROWN JEWELS.
1125
00:58:13,561 --> 00:58:16,269
BEFORE LONG, THE NORTH KOREANS
1126
00:58:16,353 --> 00:58:18,645
USED PARTS OF THE
SHADOWBROKERS CODE
1127
00:58:18,728 --> 00:58:22,687
WHEN THEY ATTACKED WITH
A WEAPON CALLED WANNACRY.
1128
00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:25,687
THIS SPECIFIC WORM THAT WAS
LEAKED FROM THE NSA'S TOOLKIT
1129
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:27,103
TARGETED MICROSOFT WINDOWS.
1130
00:58:27,186 --> 00:58:29,144
WINDOWS-BASED
COMPUTERS IN THE US
1131
00:58:29,228 --> 00:58:32,353
AND ACROSS THE
GLOBE COULD BE AT RISK.
1132
00:58:35,645 --> 00:58:38,395
I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER
ON THAT MORNING,
1133
00:58:38,478 --> 00:58:41,728
SITTING IN THE MEETING OF
MICROSOFT'S SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM.
1134
00:58:41,812 --> 00:58:44,353
And all of a sudden,
people are seeing emails
1135
00:58:44,436 --> 00:58:45,978
pop up on their screen.
1136
00:58:46,061 --> 00:58:49,353
Reports from one customer
after another. "What's going on?"
1137
00:58:49,436 --> 00:58:53,269
We're getting details of this massive
international cyber attack today.
1138
00:58:53,353 --> 00:58:56,812
Hackers demanding money
have paralyzed computers
1139
00:58:56,895 --> 00:58:59,853
IN AT LEAST 99 COUNTRIES.
1140
00:58:59,937 --> 00:59:01,937
YOU COULD ALMOST SEE THIS WORM
1141
00:59:02,019 --> 00:59:03,978
MOVING WITH THE TIME ZONES
1142
00:59:04,061 --> 00:59:08,228
ACROSS THE ATLANTIC OCEAN
FROM EUROPE TO NORTH AMERICA.
1143
00:59:11,019 --> 00:59:14,311
IT WAS AS IF WE HAD
LOST THE BLUEPRINTS
1144
00:59:14,395 --> 00:59:16,353
FOR AN AMERICAN MISSILE.
1145
00:59:16,436 --> 00:59:20,228
THE NORTH KOREANS AND
THE RUSSIANS HAD GRABBED IT,
1146
00:59:20,311 --> 00:59:22,728
IMPROVED UPON IT,
DESIGNED A PROTOTYPE,
1147
00:59:22,812 --> 00:59:27,478
and shot it back at
American allies and friends.
1148
00:59:27,561 --> 00:59:31,728
It attacked 155
countries in one day.
1149
00:59:31,812 --> 00:59:34,103
In the history of humanity,
1150
00:59:34,186 --> 00:59:37,978
no weapon has ever been
fired by a single country
1151
00:59:38,061 --> 00:59:41,978
in a way that hit so many
other nations simultaneously.
1152
00:59:44,561 --> 00:59:47,186
THE VOLUME OF
ATTACKS IS ESCALATING.
1153
00:59:47,269 --> 00:59:50,561
The sophistication of
attacks is escalating.
1154
00:59:50,645 --> 00:59:53,853
And the debate about
how to go deal with it
1155
00:59:53,937 --> 00:59:57,019
is only getting more
and more confusing.
1156
01:00:06,478 --> 01:00:09,436
IT WAS MY FIRST DAY
AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
1157
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,478
IT WAS ABOUT 12
O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
1158
01:00:11,561 --> 01:00:14,520
I'M ON MY WORK PHONE AND
I TRY TO GET INTO MY EMAIL,
1159
01:00:14,603 --> 01:00:16,186
AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
1160
01:00:16,269 --> 01:00:18,937
And then I get onto my Surface Pro,
and it doesn't work.
1161
01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:21,520
And so I start to call some
other folks that I knew would be up
1162
01:00:21,603 --> 01:00:23,687
and I was told that
we had been hacked.
1163
01:00:24,978 --> 01:00:27,603
WE HAD BEEN HIT BY A
RANSOMWARE ATTACK.
1164
01:00:27,687 --> 01:00:29,144
WE WERE ADVISED BY...
1165
01:00:29,228 --> 01:00:31,687
Uh, the administration but also
from the federal government...
1166
01:00:31,770 --> 01:00:34,144
That we should
not pay that ransom.
1167
01:00:34,228 --> 01:00:37,770
WE COULDN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE
PEOPLE THAT WE NORMALLY COMMUNICATE WITH.
1168
01:00:37,853 --> 01:00:40,228
PEOPLE COULDN'T COME IN
AND FILL OUT FOR THEIR PERMITS.
1169
01:00:40,311 --> 01:00:41,937
REAL ESTATE DEALS
COULD NOT BE DONE.
1170
01:00:42,019 --> 01:00:43,144
BILLS COULD NOT BE PAID.
1171
01:00:43,228 --> 01:00:44,537
PARKING TICKETS
COULD NOT BE PAID.
1172
01:00:44,561 --> 01:00:45,978
Fines could not be paid.
1173
01:00:46,061 --> 01:00:48,978
We're talking about lots
and lots of business in the city
1174
01:00:49,061 --> 01:00:50,395
that could not be done
1175
01:00:50,478 --> 01:00:52,478
because the
systems were crippled
1176
01:00:52,561 --> 01:00:54,561
and pushed down to a halt.
1177
01:00:54,645 --> 01:00:59,061
I LOST, YOU KNOW,
LITERALLY 12 YEARS OF FILES.
1178
01:00:59,144 --> 01:01:01,812
What was the cost to Baltimore,
ultimately?
1179
01:01:01,895 --> 01:01:04,019
Yeah,
it was upwards of $15 million,
1180
01:01:04,103 --> 01:01:08,436
is what we had to, to pay out and
to rebuild, and build better systems.
1181
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,478
And the original ransom
was far less than that.
1182
01:01:11,561 --> 01:01:12,978
Far less than that,
but, you know,
1183
01:01:13,061 --> 01:01:16,144
the mayor made a decision
based on the advice of,
1184
01:01:16,228 --> 01:01:19,561
uh,
public safety experts to not pay it.
1185
01:01:22,561 --> 01:01:26,853
CITES ACROSS AMERICA
HAVE BEEN PARALYZED.
1186
01:01:26,937 --> 01:01:29,853
And some of them,
including one small town in Florida,
1187
01:01:29,937 --> 01:01:32,103
decided it was cheaper
to pay the ransom
1188
01:01:32,186 --> 01:01:34,770
than to try to go
rebuild the databases.
1189
01:01:36,937 --> 01:01:38,746
Scott: CITES AND GOVERNMENTS
AROUND THE COUNTRY,
1190
01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:41,436
BUSINESSES AROUND THE COUNTRY,
NON-PROFITS AROUND THE COUNTRY,
1191
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,186
SCHOOL SYSTEMS
AROUND THE COUNTRY,
1192
01:01:43,269 --> 01:01:46,186
HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
IS THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN NOW.
1193
01:01:46,269 --> 01:01:48,478
RIGHT? THIS IS THE NEW NORMAL.
1194
01:01:58,436 --> 01:02:01,937
SECRETARY NIELSEN,
LOOKING AHEAD TO 2018,
1195
01:02:02,019 --> 01:02:06,103
WHAT IS DHS'S CURRENT ESTIMATION
1196
01:02:06,186 --> 01:02:08,436
of the threat to our elections,
1197
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,228
from Russia,
or any other hostile actor?
1198
01:02:12,311 --> 01:02:13,978
We think the
threat remains high.
1199
01:02:14,061 --> 01:02:15,478
Uh,
we think vigilance is important,
1200
01:02:15,561 --> 01:02:18,186
and we think there's a
lot that we all need to do,
1201
01:02:18,269 --> 01:02:19,770
uh, at all levels of government,
1202
01:02:19,853 --> 01:02:22,311
uh,
before we have the midterm elections.
1203
01:02:25,395 --> 01:02:27,269
WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS,
1204
01:02:27,353 --> 01:02:29,561
the president never,
uh, understandably,
1205
01:02:29,645 --> 01:02:32,478
never wanted the
results of the elec...
1206
01:02:32,561 --> 01:02:34,937
Of the election
to be questioned.
1207
01:02:35,645 --> 01:02:37,395
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT,
1208
01:02:37,478 --> 01:02:41,353
BUT THOSE WHO NEED TO BE
FOCUSED ON THE ELECTIONS,
1209
01:02:41,436 --> 01:02:43,561
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
1210
01:02:43,645 --> 01:02:46,353
The people who need to do
the work that needs to be done,
1211
01:02:46,436 --> 01:02:50,311
have really dug in and,
and recognized the, the threat.
1212
01:02:55,561 --> 01:02:57,687
WHEN HE WAS RUNNING
FOR PRESIDENT,
1213
01:02:57,770 --> 01:03:01,353
TRUMP HAD NOT REALLY
THOUGHT ABOUT CYBER.
1214
01:03:01,436 --> 01:03:03,853
I DON'T THINK HE HAD EVEN
HEARD ABOUT STUXNET.
1215
01:03:03,937 --> 01:03:07,186
HE CERTAINLY NEVER REGISTERED
WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT.
1216
01:03:08,186 --> 01:03:11,311
He said to me at one point,
"Oh. The cyber.
1217
01:03:11,395 --> 01:03:13,687
The cyber is very powerful."
1218
01:03:15,937 --> 01:03:19,228
BUT CANDIDATE TRUMP SAID HE
WANTED TO PULL AMERICAN TROOPS
1219
01:03:19,311 --> 01:03:23,228
OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST,
OUT OF SOUTH KOREA, OUT OF JAPAN.
1220
01:03:23,311 --> 01:03:26,770
SO HE SAW CYBER
AS THIS MAGIC BULLET.
1221
01:03:26,853 --> 01:03:30,853
Today I'm convening this
meeting to follow through
1222
01:03:30,937 --> 01:03:35,478
on my promise to secure
crucial infrastructure.
1223
01:03:35,561 --> 01:03:38,353
And the networks that we've
been talking so much about
1224
01:03:38,436 --> 01:03:41,645
over the last period of time
of the federal government
1225
01:03:41,728 --> 01:03:44,895
against cyber threats.
1226
01:03:51,895 --> 01:03:54,603
BY THE TIME TRUMP
BECAME PRESIDENT,
1227
01:03:54,687 --> 01:03:59,520
THE UNITED STATES HAD BUILT UP THIS
MASSIVE, OFFENSIVE CYBER PROGRAM.
1228
01:04:03,353 --> 01:04:05,812
IT HAD GONE AFTER
NORTH KOREA'S MISSILES.
1229
01:04:05,895 --> 01:04:07,812
NORTH KOREA HAS ONCE
AGAIN ATTEMPTED TO LAUNCH
1230
01:04:07,895 --> 01:04:09,395
A BALLISTIC MISSILE, AND FAILED.
1231
01:04:09,478 --> 01:04:12,103
THEY MARK THE SECOND
AND THIRD LAUNCH FAILURES.
1232
01:04:12,186 --> 01:04:14,561
ANOTHER FAILURE.
1233
01:04:14,645 --> 01:04:18,853
Using code to send those
missiles spinning into the sea.
1234
01:04:22,770 --> 01:04:27,061
IT HAD GONE AFTER THE
ISIS RECRUITMENT SYSTEM.
1235
01:04:27,144 --> 01:04:30,687
IT WAS CALLED "OPERATION
GLOWING SYMPHONY."
1236
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:34,603
AND THE IDEA BASICALLY
WAS TO KNOCK ISIS OFFLINE.
1237
01:04:37,061 --> 01:04:40,645
BUT ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS
OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
1238
01:04:40,728 --> 01:04:44,687
WAS THAT DESPITE DEVELOPING
ALL THESE NEW CAPABILITIES,
1239
01:04:44,770 --> 01:04:49,228
IT TOOK FAR TOO LONG TO GET
CYBER OPERATIONS APPROVED.
1240
01:04:50,853 --> 01:04:53,311
DURING THE TIME I WAS IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE,
1241
01:04:53,395 --> 01:04:55,353
not even the
secretary of defense
1242
01:04:55,436 --> 01:04:57,228
could approve an
offensive cyber operation.
1243
01:04:57,311 --> 01:04:59,120
That was only the president
of the United States.
1244
01:04:59,144 --> 01:05:01,687
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TAKEN
A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH,
1245
01:05:01,770 --> 01:05:05,061
WHERE HE'S DELEGATED
THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY
1246
01:05:05,144 --> 01:05:07,186
TO A LOT OF OFFENSIVE
CYBER OPERATIONS,
1247
01:05:07,269 --> 01:05:08,937
NOT ONLY TO THE
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE,
1248
01:05:09,019 --> 01:05:11,937
BUT TO THE COMMANDER
OF CYBER COMMAND.
1249
01:05:12,019 --> 01:05:14,311
WHAT DO YOU THINK OUR
ADVERSARIES THINK RIGHT NOW?
1250
01:05:14,395 --> 01:05:17,812
If you do a cyber attack on America,
what's gonna happen to 'em?
1251
01:05:17,895 --> 01:05:20,812
So, basically, uh,
I would say right now, um,
1252
01:05:20,895 --> 01:05:23,311
they do not, um,
think that much will happen to them.
1253
01:05:23,395 --> 01:05:26,144
- They don't fear us.
- They don't fear us.
1254
01:05:27,978 --> 01:05:30,770
ONCE GENERAL NAKASONE
TOOK OVER AT THE NSA
1255
01:05:30,853 --> 01:05:32,061
AND CYBER COMMAND,
1256
01:05:32,144 --> 01:05:34,103
HE PUT TOGETHER
WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION
1257
01:05:34,186 --> 01:05:36,228
SOMETHING CALLED THE
RUSSIA SMALL GROUP,
1258
01:05:36,311 --> 01:05:41,395
WHO WERE DETERMINED TO TAKE AN
AGGRESSIVE STANCE AGAINST THE RUSSIANS.
1259
01:05:43,353 --> 01:05:46,978
FOR SEVERAL YEARS,
THE UNITED STATES HAD WARNED
1260
01:05:47,061 --> 01:05:51,061
THAT RUSSIAN HACKERS WERE
INSIDE THE US ELECTRIC GRID.
1261
01:05:51,812 --> 01:05:53,436
IN 2018,
1262
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,603
THE NSA TOOK AMERICAN-MADE CODE
1263
01:05:56,687 --> 01:06:01,103
AND PUT IT INSIDE THE
RUSSIAN ELECTRIC GRID.
1264
01:06:01,186 --> 01:06:03,228
AND THEY DESIGNED SOME OF IT
1265
01:06:03,311 --> 01:06:06,061
IN A WAY TO MAKE SURE
THE RUSSIANS SAW THEM.
1266
01:06:07,019 --> 01:06:08,770
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY,
1267
01:06:08,853 --> 01:06:11,103
"WE'RE NOT GONNA DO
THIS IN A COVERT WAY.
1268
01:06:11,186 --> 01:06:13,269
"WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND
1269
01:06:13,353 --> 01:06:14,687
what the price will be."
1270
01:06:18,937 --> 01:06:21,186
THERE WERE ALSO A
SERIES OF MESSAGES
1271
01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:23,645
SENT TO RUSSIAN
INFLUENCE OPERATIVES
1272
01:06:23,728 --> 01:06:25,812
THAT SAID, "WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
1273
01:06:25,895 --> 01:06:28,478
"IF YOU CONTINUE TO
CONDUCT CYBER ATTACKS,
1274
01:06:28,561 --> 01:06:32,228
"AND IF YOU TRY TO TARGET
THE ELECTION IN 2018,
1275
01:06:32,311 --> 01:06:33,728
there will be repercussions."
1276
01:06:33,812 --> 01:06:35,978
There were very
targeted cyber operations
1277
01:06:36,061 --> 01:06:37,954
to make it clear that we
knew who was doing what,
1278
01:06:37,978 --> 01:06:41,269
and we were gonna degrade
their capability to succeed.
1279
01:06:44,478 --> 01:06:47,687
Healey: IN 2018,
IN THE LEAD-UP TO ELECTION DAY,
1280
01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:52,186
CYBER COMMAND TAKES DOWN THE
RUSSIAN INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY.
1281
01:06:52,269 --> 01:06:55,770
They got in there,
and really took apart their home network.
1282
01:06:55,853 --> 01:06:57,144
Really disabled it,
1283
01:06:57,228 --> 01:06:58,937
so that they wouldn't be able
1284
01:06:59,019 --> 01:07:01,061
to conduct their
social media campaign.
1285
01:07:03,603 --> 01:07:06,436
Hultquist: THIS WAS A VERY
FORWARD-LEANING OPERATION.
1286
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,269
IT LOOKED TO BE
PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
1287
01:07:09,353 --> 01:07:12,978
RUSSIAN ACTORS WERE SOMEWHAT
QUIET DURING THAT PERIOD.
1288
01:07:14,186 --> 01:07:15,895
The question is,
how long will that last?
1289
01:07:15,978 --> 01:07:20,269
Can we defend forward against every,
you know, potential actor?
1290
01:07:24,019 --> 01:07:25,520
GOOD MORNING, SANDRA AND ED.
1291
01:07:25,603 --> 01:07:27,853
AND NOW IT IS UP
TO THE IOWA VOTERS.
1292
01:07:27,937 --> 01:07:30,895
IOWANS IN MORE THAN 1,600
PRECINCTS ARE GATHERING
1293
01:07:30,978 --> 01:07:34,561
TO BACK THE PERSON THEY WANT TO WIN
THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION.
1294
01:07:34,645 --> 01:07:36,311
MY PURPOSE HERE IS VERY SIMPLE.
1295
01:07:36,395 --> 01:07:38,687
IT'S TO COME BEFORE
YOU ONE MORE TIME
1296
01:07:38,770 --> 01:07:41,520
and ask you to caucus for me.
1297
01:07:41,603 --> 01:07:44,228
WE ARE STILL AWAITING
THE FIRST OFFICIAL RESULTS
1298
01:07:44,311 --> 01:07:45,561
GIVEN TO US BY THE PARTY.
1299
01:07:45,645 --> 01:07:48,311
Obviously,
things are going a bit slow for them.
1300
01:07:48,395 --> 01:07:51,937
Sixteen hours since the
Iowa caucuses began.
1301
01:07:52,019 --> 01:07:53,728
We're still waiting
for the results.
1302
01:07:53,812 --> 01:07:57,061
The app didn't work.
No one knew if it would.
1303
01:07:57,144 --> 01:07:59,478
This is, so far, not so good.
1304
01:08:01,937 --> 01:08:03,728
Iowa was exactly my worst fear.
1305
01:08:03,812 --> 01:08:08,353
The biggest concern was that voters
would not be able to trust the system.
1306
01:08:08,436 --> 01:08:10,061
What about the
confidence in the vote?
1307
01:08:10,144 --> 01:08:11,895
Especially with,
against the backdrop
1308
01:08:11,978 --> 01:08:13,687
of the Russian
interference in 2016.
1309
01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:17,144
What Iowa is demonstrating to
adversaries of the United States is
1310
01:08:17,228 --> 01:08:19,269
all they have to do is
create that appearance.
1311
01:08:19,353 --> 01:08:22,103
And they probably don't even have
to create their own disinformation.
1312
01:08:22,186 --> 01:08:23,937
American partisans
will do it for them.
1313
01:08:24,019 --> 01:08:25,954
News anchor: THE PRESIDENT'S
SON WAS SAYING IT'S RIGGED.
1314
01:08:25,978 --> 01:08:27,258
The president's
campaign manager.
1315
01:08:27,311 --> 01:08:28,603
The Biden campaign is out there
1316
01:08:28,687 --> 01:08:30,436
openly saying they don't trust
1317
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:31,770
what the results will be.
1318
01:08:31,853 --> 01:08:35,061
They've created what's
called a perception hack.
1319
01:08:35,144 --> 01:08:38,061
Our mind immediately
goes to the question,
1320
01:08:38,144 --> 01:08:40,478
"Are the Russians
messing with our election?"
1321
01:08:40,561 --> 01:08:42,853
It doesn't matter whether
they are or they aren't.
1322
01:08:42,937 --> 01:08:45,937
This is one of the confusing
aspects of election security.
1323
01:08:46,019 --> 01:08:48,937
It's not just about trying
to hack into computers.
1324
01:08:49,019 --> 01:08:51,395
There's another aspect
of election interference
1325
01:08:51,478 --> 01:08:53,311
that's about trying to
hack into your brain.
1326
01:08:53,395 --> 01:08:55,561
They're ultimately trying
to get the American people
1327
01:08:55,645 --> 01:08:58,269
to lose confidence
in the system.
1328
01:08:58,353 --> 01:09:00,228
That the system
is beyond repair.
1329
01:09:00,311 --> 01:09:03,478
That the system is broken,
and their vote doesn't matter.
1330
01:09:03,561 --> 01:09:06,978
US officials have now told, uh,
Senator Bernie Sanders that Russia
1331
01:09:07,061 --> 01:09:10,770
is trying to help his
presidential campaign.
1332
01:09:10,853 --> 01:09:12,120
How do you think
it came out now,
1333
01:09:12,144 --> 01:09:13,537
if you had the
briefing a month ago?
1334
01:09:13,561 --> 01:09:15,978
Well, I'll let you guess
about one day before the, uh,
1335
01:09:16,061 --> 01:09:18,311
Nevada caucus. Why
do you think it came out?
1336
01:09:18,395 --> 01:09:21,144
'Cause the "Washington
Post"? Good friends.
1337
01:09:21,228 --> 01:09:23,853
Joe,
what do you say to the Russians?
1338
01:09:24,395 --> 01:09:25,978
I'm comin'.
1339
01:09:26,061 --> 01:09:27,311
They're continuing to meddle.
1340
01:09:27,395 --> 01:09:29,978
They're involved in this race,
and in my primary.
1341
01:09:30,061 --> 01:09:32,561
They're involved going
after me on Facebook.
1342
01:09:32,645 --> 01:09:34,269
They've already been taken down.
1343
01:09:34,353 --> 01:09:36,311
Because Putin knows
me and I know him,
1344
01:09:36,395 --> 01:09:38,228
and he doesn't want
me to be president.
1345
01:09:38,311 --> 01:09:41,895
The Russians want everyone in
this country to mistrust everything.
1346
01:09:41,978 --> 01:09:43,496
Whether or not the
Russians are involved,
1347
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,186
these next few months
are gonna be tense.
1348
01:09:47,895 --> 01:09:49,395
WE DO HAVE BREAKING NEWS.
1349
01:09:49,478 --> 01:09:52,728
The coronavirus outbreak
is now a global pandemic.
1350
01:09:52,812 --> 01:09:54,478
No country is untouched.
1351
01:09:54,561 --> 01:09:57,645
No part of our everyday
lives is untouched.
1352
01:09:57,728 --> 01:09:59,770
We will see more cases,
1353
01:09:59,853 --> 01:10:01,770
and things will get worse.
1354
01:10:03,645 --> 01:10:05,353
THE CORONAVIRUS
1355
01:10:05,436 --> 01:10:09,520
HAS REORDERED THE
COMPETITION FOR WORLD POWER.
1356
01:10:09,603 --> 01:10:11,520
And so, it's not surprising
1357
01:10:11,603 --> 01:10:13,978
that it's reordered cyber power,
as well.
1358
01:10:14,061 --> 01:10:16,395
BAD INFORMATION IS
NOW SPREADING ONLINE
1359
01:10:16,478 --> 01:10:18,853
FASTER THAN THE
CORONAVIRUS ITSELF.
1360
01:10:18,937 --> 01:10:20,853
CYBER EXPERTS AND
PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS
1361
01:10:20,937 --> 01:10:24,103
WARM THIS SO-CALLED
INFO-DEMIC IS DANGEROUS,
1362
01:10:24,186 --> 01:10:26,103
AND NEEDS TO BE CONTAINED.
1363
01:10:27,853 --> 01:10:30,311
IN THE MIDST OF COVID-19,
1364
01:10:30,395 --> 01:10:33,561
DISINFORMATION GETS
SUPER CAFFEINATED.
1365
01:10:33,645 --> 01:10:35,186
And we see it play out
1366
01:10:35,269 --> 01:10:38,353
in Russia's favorite
petri dish once again,
1367
01:10:38,436 --> 01:10:40,478
IN UKRAINE.
1368
01:10:48,311 --> 01:10:51,061
AS THE CORONAVIRUS BEGAN
SPREADING ACROSS THE WORLD,
1369
01:10:51,144 --> 01:10:53,728
UKRAINE QUICKLY
MOVED TO START BRINGING
1370
01:10:53,812 --> 01:10:56,353
SOME OF ITS CITIZENS
BACK FROM WUHAN,
1371
01:10:56,436 --> 01:10:59,895
TO SERVE OUT 14
DAYS OF SELF-ISOLATION
1372
01:10:59,978 --> 01:11:03,353
IN THIS TINY LITTLE TOWN
IN CENTRAL UKRAINE.
1373
01:11:03,436 --> 01:11:06,645
These people were not
infected with the virus.
1374
01:11:06,728 --> 01:11:11,436
BUT PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA BEGAN
SPREADING THIS MISINFORMATION
1375
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,561
THAT THESE UKRAINIANS THAT ARE
COMING HOME FROM WUHAN ARE INFECTED.
1376
01:11:16,895 --> 01:11:19,687
PEOPLE STARTED USING VIBER,
1377
01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:23,645
AND INSTAGRAM AND
FACEBOOK TO WARN EACH OTHER.
1378
01:11:23,728 --> 01:11:26,812
SOME OF THE MESSAGES
WENT EVEN FURTHER IN SAYING
1379
01:11:26,895 --> 01:11:29,520
WE NEED TO GO OUT INTO
THE STREETS AND PROTEST.
1380
01:11:29,603 --> 01:11:33,019
WE NEED TO TURN THESE BUSES OF
PEOPLE AROUND TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.
1381
01:11:33,103 --> 01:11:36,937
Or else we're going to wake up in
the morning, and we'll all be dead.
1382
01:11:37,019 --> 01:11:40,603
- THIS DISINFORMATION
ACTUALLY FUELED
1383
01:11:40,687 --> 01:11:43,103
A REAL-LIFE PROTEST
IN THE STREETS.
1384
01:11:53,478 --> 01:11:55,311
POLICE CAME OUT IN RESPONSE.
1385
01:11:55,395 --> 01:11:57,061
CLASHES ENSUED.
1386
01:12:00,228 --> 01:12:03,311
WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS,
IN UKRAINE ESPECIALLY,
1387
01:12:03,395 --> 01:12:07,478
THE ENTITY THAT IS ALWAYS
POINTED AT FIRST IS RUSSIA.
1388
01:12:07,561 --> 01:12:12,061
There are signs that
Russia could be involved.
1389
01:12:12,144 --> 01:12:14,478
BUT THERE ARE REAL
PEOPLE IN THESE GROUPS.
1390
01:12:14,561 --> 01:12:16,186
REAL PEOPLE WHO I INTERVIEWED,
1391
01:12:16,269 --> 01:12:19,311
WHO SAID,
"I ALSO SHARED MESSAGES IN THIS GROUP
1392
01:12:19,395 --> 01:12:20,645
"TO GO OUT AND PROTEST,
1393
01:12:20,728 --> 01:12:22,478
to protect myself,
to protect my family."
1394
01:12:22,561 --> 01:12:25,061
And it just spiraled out of control very,
very, very quickly.
1395
01:12:25,144 --> 01:12:26,186
Within hours.
1396
01:12:28,395 --> 01:12:31,311
THERE'S A LESSON IN
WHAT HAPPENED IN UKRAINE.
1397
01:12:31,395 --> 01:12:34,853
THE RUSSIANS ARE ALREADY
CHANGING THE PLAYBOOK.
1398
01:12:34,937 --> 01:12:36,561
THEY'RE TARGETING PEOPLE
1399
01:12:36,645 --> 01:12:39,395
who might be susceptible
to the message,
1400
01:12:39,478 --> 01:12:41,228
the conspiracy.
1401
01:12:41,311 --> 01:12:43,269
And repeat it themselves.
1402
01:12:44,269 --> 01:12:46,311
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE RUSSIANS.
1403
01:12:46,395 --> 01:12:49,436
The pandemic now becoming
even more than a public health crisis.
1404
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,812
IT IS TURNING INTO A
MAJOR DIPLOMATIC CLASH
1405
01:12:51,895 --> 01:12:55,395
AS THE BLAME GAME UNFOLDS
ON THE ORIGINS OF THE VIRUS.
1406
01:12:55,478 --> 01:12:57,853
I would like to begin
1407
01:12:57,937 --> 01:12:59,853
by announcing some
important developments
1408
01:12:59,937 --> 01:13:03,144
in our war against
the Chinese virus.
1409
01:13:09,728 --> 01:13:11,937
The Chinese in 2020
1410
01:13:12,019 --> 01:13:14,395
have used
disinformation brilliantly
1411
01:13:14,478 --> 01:13:18,895
as people have been
casting blame for COVID-19.
1412
01:13:18,978 --> 01:13:20,728
THERE WAS A STORY SPREAD
1413
01:13:20,812 --> 01:13:24,103
THAT THE VIRUS DIDN'T BEGIN
IN A WET MARKET IN WUHAN.
1414
01:13:24,186 --> 01:13:29,728
BUT INSTEAD THAT IT BEGAN
WITH A US ARMY EXERCISE IN CHINA.
1415
01:13:29,812 --> 01:13:33,144
There's absolutely no
evidence for this at all.
1416
01:13:33,228 --> 01:13:35,019
But the Chinese saw
1417
01:13:35,103 --> 01:13:39,311
how well the Russians were
able to plant this information,
1418
01:13:39,395 --> 01:13:42,186
AND WATCH IT TAKE OFF NATURALLY
1419
01:13:42,269 --> 01:13:45,937
AMONG CONSPIRACY
THEORISTS AND OTHERS.
1420
01:13:52,144 --> 01:13:54,770
Stamos: I THINK WE'VE BEEN
HIGHLY DISTRACTED AS A COUNTRY
1421
01:13:54,853 --> 01:13:58,061
BY FOCUSING JUST
ON RUSSIA SINCE 2016.
1422
01:13:58,144 --> 01:14:01,353
When the real long-term
strategic challenge for us
1423
01:14:01,436 --> 01:14:03,561
is going to be China globally.
1424
01:14:03,645 --> 01:14:06,478
RUSSIAN FOREIGN POLICY
IS TO TAKE OTHERS DOWN,
1425
01:14:06,561 --> 01:14:09,019
AND CAUSE DISRUPTION
IN THE SYSTEM.
1426
01:14:09,853 --> 01:14:11,436
China has very
different priorities.
1427
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,871
They're trying to work within the
system and take over the system,
1428
01:14:13,895 --> 01:14:16,478
so they're not interested
in chaos. It's all about theft.
1429
01:14:16,561 --> 01:14:18,812
And primarily theft
of intellectual property
1430
01:14:18,895 --> 01:14:21,520
that can be used to further
build up the Chinese economy.
1431
01:14:25,144 --> 01:14:27,603
THERE WAS ONE TIME WE
WERE BROUGHT INTO A COMPANY
1432
01:14:27,687 --> 01:14:30,353
THAT WAS IN THE SATELLITE
COMMUNICATIONS BUSINESS.
1433
01:14:31,269 --> 01:14:32,603
They had discovered a hack,
1434
01:14:32,687 --> 01:14:34,645
and, uh,
they asked us to analyze it,
1435
01:14:34,728 --> 01:14:37,311
and ultimately
help protect them.
1436
01:14:38,019 --> 01:14:40,228
WE SAW THAT THE EMAIL ADDRESS
1437
01:14:40,311 --> 01:14:42,978
THAT WAS BEING USED TO REGISTER
A BUNCH OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE
1438
01:14:43,061 --> 01:14:45,144
WAS BEING REUSED CONTINUOUSLY.
1439
01:14:45,228 --> 01:14:47,687
IT WAS A GMAIL ADDRESS.
1440
01:14:47,770 --> 01:14:49,978
AND WE TRACKED IT TO
AN INDIVIDUAL IN CHINA.
1441
01:14:50,061 --> 01:14:52,311
THEY HAD A SOCIAL PERSONA,
1442
01:14:52,395 --> 01:14:54,144
and had a Picasa album,
1443
01:14:54,228 --> 01:14:58,144
which at the time was a photo
album that was owned by Google.
1444
01:14:58,228 --> 01:15:01,144
IT WAS OPEN, AND HE HAD A BUNCH
OF PICTURES OF HIS GIRLFRIEND,
1445
01:15:01,228 --> 01:15:03,687
AND HIS FAMILY, AND HIMSELF.
1446
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,061
AND HE HAD PICTURES
OF HIS DORM ROOM.
1447
01:15:16,061 --> 01:15:19,353
AND IN THE CORNER OF THE
DORM ROOM WE SAW A HAT.
1448
01:15:22,478 --> 01:15:24,228
WE STARTED DOING
IMAGERY ANALYSIS,
1449
01:15:24,311 --> 01:15:27,269
AND WE NOTICED THAT THE
HAT WAS PLA OFFICER'S HAT.
1450
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:30,561
WE THOUGHT,
"THIS MIGHT BE INTERESTING."
1451
01:15:30,645 --> 01:15:32,728
WE MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE
FROM THE CHINESE MILITARY
1452
01:15:32,812 --> 01:15:35,645
on our hands here that may
be responsible for these attacks.
1453
01:15:38,812 --> 01:15:41,269
WE FOUND OTHER PICTURES
THAT HE HAD POSTED ONLINE
1454
01:15:41,353 --> 01:15:43,853
THAT WERE LABELED "OFFICE."
1455
01:15:43,937 --> 01:15:47,478
THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THIS
BIG WHITE BUILDING BEHIND HIM
1456
01:15:47,561 --> 01:15:50,520
THAT HAD HUGE ANTENNAE DISHES,
1457
01:15:50,603 --> 01:15:52,561
HAD REFLECTIVE
COATING ON THE WINDOWS,
1458
01:15:52,645 --> 01:15:55,103
THAT WOULD PREVENT
SIGNAL INTERCEPTION.
1459
01:15:55,186 --> 01:15:57,645
WE STARTED DOING
SATELLITE IMAGERY ANALYSIS
1460
01:15:57,728 --> 01:15:59,520
TO TRY TO LOCATE THIS BUILDING.
1461
01:15:59,603 --> 01:16:02,103
WE TRACKED IT DOWN TO SHANGHAI.
1462
01:16:02,186 --> 01:16:03,853
TO A PARTICULAR
AREA OF SHANGHAI.
1463
01:16:03,937 --> 01:16:06,269
WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE IMAGERY. WE SAID,
"WAIT A SECOND.
1464
01:16:06,353 --> 01:16:09,186
THERE'S MILITARY GUARD
GATES ALL OVER THIS BUILDING."
1465
01:16:09,269 --> 01:16:11,436
WE GOT THE ADDRESS
OF THAT BUILDING,
1466
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:16,061
AND WE STARTED LOOKING INTO
CHINESE GOVERNMENT MATERIALS.
1467
01:16:16,144 --> 01:16:18,603
AND SURE ENOUGH,
WE DISCOVERED THERE WAS THE HEADQUARTERS
1468
01:16:18,687 --> 01:16:21,061
OF THE 12TH BUREAU OF
THE THIRD DEPARTMENT
1469
01:16:21,144 --> 01:16:24,103
OF THE GENERAL STAFF OF
THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY,
1470
01:16:24,186 --> 01:16:26,144
GIVING US PRETTY
HIGH-LEVEL CONFIDENCE
1471
01:16:26,228 --> 01:16:29,311
THAT THIS HACK HAD COME
FROM THE CHINESE MILITARY.
1472
01:16:33,853 --> 01:16:36,436
THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF A PLAN.
1473
01:16:37,478 --> 01:16:40,395
They lay it out in their,
their five-year plans
1474
01:16:40,478 --> 01:16:42,561
for the technology
they want to acquire.
1475
01:16:42,645 --> 01:16:45,603
If they can generate it indigenously,
great.
1476
01:16:45,687 --> 01:16:46,895
If they can't,
1477
01:16:46,978 --> 01:16:49,687
because they want to get it fast,
they'll steal it.
1478
01:16:52,478 --> 01:16:54,853
China alone is
responsible for hacks
1479
01:16:54,937 --> 01:16:58,603
to almost 700 public and
private targets in the US
1480
01:16:58,687 --> 01:17:00,395
in the last five years.
1481
01:17:01,687 --> 01:17:03,228
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY
1482
01:17:03,311 --> 01:17:04,770
CHINA'S MOST
SOPHISTICATED AIRPLANE
1483
01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:07,436
LOOKS LIKE THE F-35
JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER
1484
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,770
is because they stole
some of the technology
1485
01:17:09,853 --> 01:17:11,520
from the F-35
Joint Strike Fighter.
1486
01:17:11,603 --> 01:17:14,283
When you look at pictures of it,
you go, "Man, that looks familiar."
1487
01:17:15,603 --> 01:17:17,123
And that's just the
tip of the iceberg,
1488
01:17:17,186 --> 01:17:18,645
from the Chinese side.
1489
01:17:18,728 --> 01:17:21,186
GOOGLE SAYS IT AND AT
LEAST 20 OTHER COMPANIES
1490
01:17:21,269 --> 01:17:24,395
WERE VICTIMS OF A TARGETED
CYBER ATTACK ORIGINATING IN CHINA.
1491
01:17:24,478 --> 01:17:28,353
A very sophisticated cyber attack
on the health insurer Anthem.
1492
01:17:28,436 --> 01:17:31,436
THIS INTRUSION IS ONCE AGAIN
THE WORK OF STATE-SPONSORED
1493
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,228
ESPIONAGE GROUPS BASED IN CHINA.
1494
01:17:35,311 --> 01:17:36,937
AND THEN THE CHINESE ESCALATED.
1495
01:17:37,019 --> 01:17:41,311
THEY SPENT A YEAR INSIDE THE
OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT,
1496
01:17:41,395 --> 01:17:44,478
the most boring
bureaucracy in America.
1497
01:17:44,561 --> 01:17:47,019
THEY STOLE 22 MILLION FILES
1498
01:17:47,103 --> 01:17:50,978
OF HIGHLY CLASSIFIED SECURITY
CLEARANCE APPLICATIONS.
1499
01:17:51,061 --> 01:17:52,853
That is an
intelligence nightmare.
1500
01:17:52,937 --> 01:17:56,478
The Chinese now have all
sorts of detailed information
1501
01:17:56,561 --> 01:17:58,311
about your family members,
1502
01:17:58,395 --> 01:18:00,019
foreign friends
that you may have,
1503
01:18:00,103 --> 01:18:02,478
that could be used to
actually recruit assets
1504
01:18:02,561 --> 01:18:05,103
for the Chinese government
sometime in the future.
1505
01:18:06,728 --> 01:18:08,311
BY 2020,
1506
01:18:08,395 --> 01:18:11,687
THEY WERE BACK AT IT IN A
MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED WAY.
1507
01:18:11,770 --> 01:18:14,520
News anchor: THE FBI AND
FEDERAL CYBER SECURITY AGENTS
1508
01:18:14,603 --> 01:18:17,853
are warning that hackers
linked to the Chinese government
1509
01:18:17,937 --> 01:18:22,770
are trying to steal research on
coronavirus vaccines and therapies.
1510
01:18:22,853 --> 01:18:26,019
THE WAY JET FIGHTER
DESIGNS MIGHT HAVE BEEN
1511
01:18:26,103 --> 01:18:27,395
A DECADE AGO,
1512
01:18:27,478 --> 01:18:31,228
coronavirus has
become the holy grail.
1513
01:18:32,895 --> 01:18:35,269
BECAUSE THE COUNTRY
THAT WINS THE RACE
1514
01:18:35,353 --> 01:18:38,853
FOR THE VACCINE AND
THE TREATMENT OF COVID-19
1515
01:18:38,937 --> 01:18:42,186
WILL BECOME A NEW KIND OF POWER,
1516
01:18:42,269 --> 01:18:46,228
ABLE TO SPREAD THAT
VACCINE AROUND THE WORLD.
1517
01:18:49,103 --> 01:18:51,895
Finally,
and perhaps most importantly,
1518
01:18:51,978 --> 01:18:56,311
as China has spread its economic
tentacles through the world,
1519
01:18:56,395 --> 01:18:59,019
IT HAS RECOGNIZED
THAT THE NETWORKS
1520
01:18:59,103 --> 01:19:01,520
IT IS SELLING TO EVERYBODY ELSE
1521
01:19:01,603 --> 01:19:05,395
ACROSS FIBER OPTIC
CABLE AND 5G NETWORKS
1522
01:19:05,478 --> 01:19:08,770
GIVES THEM AN ELEMENT OF CONTROL
1523
01:19:08,853 --> 01:19:12,269
that a few years ago they could
scarcely have even imagined.
1524
01:19:13,478 --> 01:19:15,395
YOU COULD SEE A FUTURE WHERE
1525
01:19:15,478 --> 01:19:18,103
EVERY DEVICE THAT YOU CAN
IMAGINE IS ON THE INTERNET,
1526
01:19:18,186 --> 01:19:21,144
and is connected to
the 5G cellular network.
1527
01:19:21,228 --> 01:19:24,269
Warner: 5G IS LIKE MOVING
FROM RADIO TO TELEVISION
1528
01:19:24,353 --> 01:19:27,103
IN TERMS OF HOW WE USE OUR
TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM,
1529
01:19:27,186 --> 01:19:29,687
AND IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, DRIVERLESS CARS,
1530
01:19:29,770 --> 01:19:32,687
OR OUR, OUR REFRIGERATOR
THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET,
1531
01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:34,228
AND ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES
1532
01:19:34,311 --> 01:19:36,079
THAT COME WITH A TOTALLY
INTERCONNECTED WORLD,
1533
01:19:36,103 --> 01:19:38,186
that rides on a 5G network.
1534
01:19:38,269 --> 01:19:40,269
So who controls that network
1535
01:19:40,353 --> 01:19:43,812
is extraordinarily important,
and I think what we're waking up to
1536
01:19:43,895 --> 01:19:46,269
IS WE'RE CONFRONTING CHINA
1537
01:19:46,353 --> 01:19:49,228
THAT HAS A NATIONAL
CHAMPION IN ITS COMPANY HUAWEI
1538
01:19:49,311 --> 01:19:52,687
THAT IS A LONG-TERM
SECURITY THREAT.
1539
01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:57,311
Hurd: THIS COMPANY HUAWEI IS THE
LARGEST PROVIDER OF 5G EQUIPMENT.
1540
01:19:57,395 --> 01:20:00,520
THEY'RE THE ONES BUILDING
THE ANTENNAS THAT YOU NEED.
1541
01:20:00,603 --> 01:20:04,478
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE BUILDING
THE SYSTEMS THAT MOVES THE DATA.
1542
01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:09,228
THE UNITED STATES'
POSITION ON THIS IS THAT
1543
01:20:09,311 --> 01:20:13,144
ANY INFORMATION THAT
IS ABLE TO TRANSMIT
1544
01:20:13,228 --> 01:20:15,186
across Huawei technology
1545
01:20:15,269 --> 01:20:19,770
will ultimately be accessible
by the Chinese government.
1546
01:20:19,853 --> 01:20:21,770
AND WHAT IS THE
CHINESE GOVERNMENT
1547
01:20:21,853 --> 01:20:24,019
GOING TO DO WITH
THAT INFORMATION
1548
01:20:24,103 --> 01:20:25,978
IS THE ULTIMATE QUESTION.
1549
01:20:36,478 --> 01:20:37,770
Thank you.
1550
01:20:40,228 --> 01:20:43,103
So we begin, Oklahoma. We begin.
1551
01:20:43,186 --> 01:20:45,019
Thank you, Oklahoma.
1552
01:20:45,103 --> 01:20:49,311
And thank you to Vice
President Mike Pence.
1553
01:20:49,395 --> 01:20:51,895
We begin. We begin our campaign.
1554
01:20:51,978 --> 01:20:54,687
Man singing:
1555
01:20:54,770 --> 01:20:55,895
That's nice.
1556
01:20:59,186 --> 01:21:00,728
Thank you.
1557
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,812
I HAVE SPENT THE LAST YEAR
1558
01:21:15,895 --> 01:21:19,144
GAMING OUT THE 2020 ELECTION.
1559
01:21:19,228 --> 01:21:20,829
Trying to get ahead of it.
Really trying to think through
1560
01:21:20,853 --> 01:21:22,937
what, what's next. What's next,
what's next.
1561
01:21:24,895 --> 01:21:27,186
MY NIGHTMARE
SCENARIO IS RANSOMWARE.
1562
01:21:27,269 --> 01:21:31,603
THAT A RANSOMWARE ACTOR WOULD GAIN
ACCESS TO A VOTER REGISTRATION DATABASE,
1563
01:21:31,687 --> 01:21:35,687
lock it up, and say,
"Hey, election official.
1564
01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:37,561
"I've locked this up.
1565
01:21:37,645 --> 01:21:41,645
I'm not giving it back to you
unless you give me $3 million."
1566
01:21:43,395 --> 01:21:45,228
THIS IS WHAT GETS
ME UP EVERY MORNING.
1567
01:21:45,311 --> 01:21:46,663
It's the last thing I
think about at night.
1568
01:21:46,687 --> 01:21:47,913
I wake up in the
middle of the night
1569
01:21:47,937 --> 01:21:49,287
and think about it.
When I'm walking the dog.
1570
01:21:49,311 --> 01:21:51,687
Up here, oh,
it's a hellscape right now.
1571
01:21:54,978 --> 01:21:57,520
WHEN YOU HAVE A
GOVERNMENT LED BY SOMEONE
1572
01:21:57,603 --> 01:22:00,603
WHO APPEARS TO BE BEHOLDEN
1573
01:22:00,687 --> 01:22:02,144
TO VLADIMIR PUTIN,
1574
01:22:02,228 --> 01:22:04,311
you don't have much confidence
1575
01:22:04,395 --> 01:22:07,645
that your own government
is going to protect
1576
01:22:07,728 --> 01:22:10,520
the integrity of our election.
1577
01:22:10,603 --> 01:22:13,812
I'M SOMEBODY WHO THINKS THAT
PUTIN SHOULD HAVE PAID A PRICE.
1578
01:22:14,937 --> 01:22:16,937
I DON'T KNOW IF
WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT
1579
01:22:17,019 --> 01:22:18,770
EXACTLY WHAT THE THREAT IS
1580
01:22:18,853 --> 01:22:21,478
UNTIL, ONCE AGAIN,
IT'S TOO LATE.
1581
01:22:24,311 --> 01:22:26,770
IN 2020, THE RUSSIANS ARE BACK,
1582
01:22:26,853 --> 01:22:29,019
BUT SO ARE THE CHINESE.
1583
01:22:29,812 --> 01:22:31,395
AND THE IRANIANS.
1584
01:22:31,478 --> 01:22:33,728
AND THE NORTH KOREANS.
1585
01:22:35,269 --> 01:22:37,436
ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES
ARE JUST EXPERIMENTING
1586
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,895
WITH THINGS THAT THEY LEARNED
FROM WATCHING THE RUSSIANS.
1587
01:22:40,978 --> 01:22:44,645
They realize that they
can do damage to us,
1588
01:22:44,728 --> 01:22:48,395
by merely opening up the
chasms that already exist
1589
01:22:48,478 --> 01:22:50,019
in American society.
1590
01:22:58,311 --> 01:23:00,645
IF IT WERE GOING TO BE
A NATION-STATE ACTOR
1591
01:23:00,728 --> 01:23:03,687
WHO'S GONNA DISRUPT
THE ELECTIONS IN 2020,
1592
01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:07,561
I THINK MOSTLY LIKELY IT
WOULD BE THE NORTH KOREANS
1593
01:23:07,645 --> 01:23:09,937
OR THE IRANIANS.
1594
01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:13,645
IF WE WERE GOING TO LOOK FOR
AN IRANIAN ATTACK, FOR EXAMPLE,
1595
01:23:13,728 --> 01:23:17,103
ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO
DO IS DESTROY ONE THING
1596
01:23:17,186 --> 01:23:19,269
IN ONE STATE OR ONE COUNTY,
1597
01:23:19,353 --> 01:23:22,645
in conjunction with an information
operation that would say,
1598
01:23:22,728 --> 01:23:24,978
"We are the holy
warriors of Iran,
1599
01:23:25,061 --> 01:23:27,770
and we successfully
locked up this server."
1600
01:23:27,853 --> 01:23:30,603
The press would cover it. There
would be all these questions,
1601
01:23:30,687 --> 01:23:32,520
and America would
be wrapped in knots.
1602
01:23:32,603 --> 01:23:35,186
At the same time, you know,
certain political leaders
1603
01:23:35,269 --> 01:23:36,937
might also take
advantage of that.
1604
01:23:41,853 --> 01:23:45,186
One final question. Our
intelligence agencies have said
1605
01:23:45,269 --> 01:23:47,978
that your country is
among the countries
1606
01:23:48,061 --> 01:23:50,728
that are attempting to
interfere in our election.
1607
01:23:50,812 --> 01:23:54,186
We don't interfere in the
internal affairs of another country,
1608
01:23:54,269 --> 01:23:57,144
but there is a
cyber war going on.
1609
01:23:57,228 --> 01:23:59,853
The United States
started that cyber war.
1610
01:23:59,937 --> 01:24:01,353
You remember Stuxnet.
1611
01:24:01,436 --> 01:24:05,061
Any war that the
United States starts,
1612
01:24:05,144 --> 01:24:07,561
it won't be able to finish.
1613
01:24:07,585 --> 01:24:09,585
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