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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:24,120 [Gong banging] 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,039 [Ray Winstone] Have you ever heard of a man 5 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,079 called bombardier Billy Wells? 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,279 Probably not. 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,279 But you'd've have seen him on the big screen. 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,600 In fact, you just did. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,479 That's right. There's Billy. 10 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:49,319 In his prime, he was a prize fighter, 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,239 but in his later years, 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,880 he found himself working in the film industry. 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,479 -When I met bombardier Billy Wells, 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,279 he was walking on a cane as an extra, 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,879 sometimes wearing a tuxedo, sometimes wearing overalls, 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,039 whatever the extra's job was. 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,279 And he had nothing. Nothing at all. 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,359 Once they finished doing stunts, that was it. 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,439 You were going on until you were 60 or whatever it is 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,559 in this country and got your old-age pension. 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,359 There was no union, there was no medicare. 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,199 Nothing to look after you at all, so you were out. 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,959 And if you got hurt badly, you were out and gone. 24 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:22,399 He had nothing. 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,479 I did not want to wind up with nothing. 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,720 ["Someone's gonna get their head kicked in tonite" performed by motorhead] 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,839 -♪ Well the band is smokin' ♪ 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,759 ♪ and everyone's feelin' all right ♪ 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,399 ♪ all right ♪ 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,879 ♪ it's a Wednesday night ♪ 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,799 ♪ there's sure gonna be a fight ♪ 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,319 ♪ a fight ♪ 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,280 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,999 ♪ Well the joint is jumping ♪ 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,879 ♪ everybody's shoutin' for more ♪ 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,279 ♪ for more ♪ 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,519 ♪ well there's gonna be a pool of blood ♪ 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,919 ♪ on the dance hall floor ♪ 39 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,279 ♪ the floor ♪ 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,080 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,199 ♪ We're gonna pull out the chairs ♪ 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,559 ♪ and tear down the walls ♪ 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,959 ♪ smash up the band just havin' a ball ♪ 44 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,719 ♪ me and my buddies in a physical race ♪ 45 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,519 ♪ leave the whole dance floor in a doggone mess ♪ 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,479 ♪ well the cats are smokin' ♪ 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,279 ♪ everyone's feelin' all right ♪ 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,919 ♪ all right ♪ 49 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:34,519 ♪ it's a Wednesday night ♪ 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,399 ♪ there's sure gonna be a fight ♪ 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,799 ♪ a fight ♪ 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,479 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 53 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:44,759 ♪ Oh yeah ♪ 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,239 ♪ we're gonna pull out the chairs ♪ 55 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,239 ♪ and tear down the walls ♪ 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,359 ♪ smash up the band just havin' a ball ♪ 57 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,999 ♪ me and my buddies in a physical race ♪ 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,799 ♪ leave the whole dance floor in a doggone mess ♪ 59 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,839 ♪ well the joint is jumping ♪ 60 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,719 ♪ everybody's shoutin' for more ♪ 61 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,999 ♪ for more ♪ 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,359 ♪ oh it's gonna be a pool of blood ♪ 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,759 ♪ on the dance hall floor ♪ 64 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,159 ♪ the floor ♪ 65 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,240 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 66 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,440 ♪ I know somebody's gonna get their head kicked in tonight! ♪ 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,559 [Ray Winstone] The stunt performer, 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,119 the unsung hero of the silver screen. 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,439 For years, these men and women were a secret. 70 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,119 Paid good money to make the stars look heroic. 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,799 But as cinema got more sophisticated, 72 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,639 it became harder to pretend that a mere actor 73 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,680 could pull off such feats. 74 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,039 Nobody knows for sure 75 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,479 who cinema's first stunt performer was. 76 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,879 But in 1908, an acrobat was paid to jump off a cliff 77 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,439 for the silent film, the count of monte cristo. 78 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,639 And so, an occupation was born. 79 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,839 But, what qualities does a person need 80 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,560 to get in as a stuntman? 81 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,959 - "Unemployable" is a word that Springs to mind. 82 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,639 Um, all the stunt people that I've been working with 83 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,400 over the last nearly 50 years now 84 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,880 in many cases, have such a diverse series of skills. 85 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,879 But when you try and harness those into something, 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,039 most people go, "that's not what we're looking for." 87 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,479 It's like when I came out of the army, and they said, 88 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:43,799 well, I went for job interviews 89 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,359 and they said, "what are you good at?" 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,279 And I go, "well, I can drop a grenade in a bucket 91 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:50,399 at about 30 feet, eight times out of ten. 92 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,679 And I'm very good with a light machine gun." 93 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,199 "That's not really what we're looking for." 94 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,119 -I think you've got to be a certain person. 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,599 You've either got to be stupid in some respects, 96 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,999 or you've got to be really, 97 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,239 uh, know your own mentality and your own physical things, 98 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,679 what your abilities are. 99 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,799 -It's something I could do 100 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,439 which put me out there above others, you know. 101 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:22,279 I mean, if I got in trouble, I could fight my way out of it. 102 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:25,119 I could put my back against a friend 103 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,799 and punch my way out of a room. 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,879 -I was doing stuff that they couldn't do. 105 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,279 He couldn't do judo, so I did judo. 106 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:33,199 He couldn't throw a punch, so I threw a punch. 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,559 He couldn't drive a car properly, I could. 108 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,999 Not knowing it was a stuntman. I didn't know the word stuntman. 109 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,559 -You have to do exactly the opposite 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,839 of what you've been taught all your life to do. 111 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,359 To fall off a horse 112 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,759 is like a pilot jumping out of a perfectly good aeroplane. 113 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Why would you do it? 114 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,519 Same thing with a racing car driver. 115 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,639 The last thing they want to do is get cross-threaded 116 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,239 and smash into a bank and roll the thing over. 117 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,279 Every natural instinct and fiber in their body 118 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:58,839 stops them from doing it naturally. 119 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,119 -Now it's become a far more professional thing. 120 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,879 And people say, when they leave school, 121 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,039 I want to be a stuntman. 122 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,199 And there is a delineated route to become a stuntman. 123 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,919 But in those days, it was a question of 124 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,559 picking people out who could, uh, apply certain skills, 125 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,399 and then they're making money at it, 126 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,759 and being so prized at it. 127 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,239 -It was the last thing in the world 128 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,919 I thought would come my way from my background and so forth. 129 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,960 [♪♪♪] 130 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,799 They did a film called casino royale 131 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,039 and they wanted someone to drive this e-type quite quickly. 132 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,039 One of the stuntmen said, "he's got an e-type, 133 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,199 and he's quite quick." 134 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,319 So, they got me down there and I put gravel on the road 135 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,719 and skidded the arse around with it. 136 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,319 [Clears throat] And the director went, 137 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,119 "that's great. That's exactly what I want." 138 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,160 [♪♪♪] 139 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,479 [Car tires screeching] 140 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,159 -I think I was talked into it originally. 141 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,959 Um, I was a helicopter engineer by trade. 142 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,000 [♪♪♪] 143 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,279 I lived in elstree at the time, 144 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,879 and my parents got a pub in elstree 145 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,879 and one particular person used to come in there. 146 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,119 It was Patrick mcgoohan. 147 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,160 [Upbeat music] 148 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,879 And I got on quite well with him, and he said, 149 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,159 "you're the type of guy who should do stunts." 150 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,999 -I left school with my one o-level, 151 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,079 and realized that many of the things I wanted to do 152 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,799 were not... Actually, the doors were shut. 153 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,519 And so, um, I joined the circus, and was an eternal 154 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,519 disappointment to my mother ever since then. 155 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,999 Other various bits and pieces. 156 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,359 And then my half-sister 157 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,919 had to go to this company called bapty's. 158 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,919 They were the movie armorers at the time. 159 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:57,959 And I've always been... 160 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,919 Had a real interest in firearms, always. 161 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,519 And she went to the-the guy that owned it and said, 162 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,159 "my brother would love to come and work here." 163 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,639 [Sniffles] Bless him. He said, "okay." 164 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,839 My first film was the dirty dozen, 165 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,079 as the assistant armorer, 166 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,719 and I didn't know shit from toothpaste, 167 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,959 you know, but I-I-I went on the set and i'd 168 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,679 suddenly, I'm in mgm studios, 169 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,879 and I'm meeting all these stunt guys and thinking, 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,999 "yeah, I've got I'd fancy a little bit of that." 171 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,719 -My father was a racehorse trainer 172 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,919 and in the early days, he used to train for a very, 173 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,239 the most famous actor in the world in his day. 174 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,359 It was Richard Todd. 175 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,400 [♪♪♪] 176 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,639 [Clippety-clop of hooves] 177 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,599 And I talked to him as a little shy kid 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,399 and he'd tell me about the movies he'd done, 179 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,039 from the dam busters, to Rob Roy, Robin hood. 180 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,119 And really, that's where I first got the ideas 181 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,319 of being a stuntman, not knowing it was a stuntman, 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,679 but I'd head up my pony and gallop up the gallops 183 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:02,319 and throw myself off it. 184 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,799 Then in '65, we had race horses, 185 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,919 and a very famous horse stuntman called Jimmy lodge 186 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,919 would come and exercise the horses with us. 187 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,479 Then he wanted to borrow a horse 188 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,599 for a movie called arabesque in '65. 189 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,239 I let him have the horse, and anyway, 190 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,679 he called me the next day because it was a really good horse, 191 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:20,159 but a very strong horse, and he said, 192 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,839 "look, the horse is great, but, you know, I need somebody to ride it 193 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,519 that can ride properly." So, I said, "yeah, I'll come and ride it." 194 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,879 [♪♪♪] 195 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,119 [Clippety-clop of hooves] 196 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,159 [Rapid gunshots] 197 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,200 [♪♪♪] 198 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,559 And that got me hooked into the film business. 199 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,359 -I was about 20 years old. 200 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,959 And I thought... I was working in a factory in north London, 201 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,479 and I thought, "I can't do this for the rest of my life. 202 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,439 This is not... there must be something else to... in life." 203 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,999 So, I knew in those days that the evening standard, 204 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,399 they had two pages of situation vacants, 205 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,759 all over the world. 206 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,159 So, I went home, opened up the pages, 207 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,479 closed my eyes, pointed down. 208 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,719 And when I looked, there was a little square and it said, 209 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,359 "the London school of charm requires models." 210 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,400 [♪♪♪] 211 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,879 So then, I got an agent 212 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:25,319 who did walk-ons on television, and I did, um, z-cars, 213 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,079 all the TV, BBC TV stuff and the itv stuff. 214 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,319 But then I got another agent who was doing, uh, uh, films, 215 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,799 extra work on films, so I did that. 216 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,399 I joined the faa and started working on films. 217 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,839 [Ray Winstone] In america, the role of the stunt performer 218 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,079 was well established. 219 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,639 Since the 1920s, performers including yakima canutt, 220 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,559 Harvey parry, and Paul malvern, 221 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,799 had been pioneering and achieving feats on camera, 222 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,839 which were incredible to watch, but also grounded in 223 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,319 principles of safety and professionalism. 224 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,720 Even by the 1960s, britain wasn't quite so advanced. 225 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,279 -If you had your... Your modern health and safety, 226 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,319 uh, professional come onto the set as we were in the 1960s, 227 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,519 he would have been ambulanced off the set 228 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,839 with-with a heart attack. 229 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,279 -It wasn't a stunt business, then, you know: 230 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,399 It wasn't like it is now. 231 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,999 You know? I mean, they used to get any Tom, dick and Harry, 232 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,479 used to do stuff like that. 233 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,679 -You could be sitting in the dressing room as an extra 234 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,519 and an assistant director come up, 235 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,479 or the stunt coordinator, and say, 236 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,159 "uh, who wants to fall down the stairs? 237 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,119 And you'd say, "I do. How much?" 238 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,479 -People would think, "oh, there's an extra 50 quid 239 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,479 or an extra 20 quid here. 240 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,999 I'll have a go at swinging off that building on a bell rope 241 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,759 and hope that I get away with it." 242 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:52,319 -My mother, bless her, is 92, 93 now coming up. Uh 243 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,199 she did a film called room to let 244 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,199 where my father, he had to put her in a wheelchair 245 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,279 and push it down the stairs. 246 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,239 She got 100 pounds for each time she went down. 247 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,879 She got 300 pounds in 1950. 248 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,239 -A lot of them did dangerous things 249 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,919 that they didn't know how dangerous it was 250 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,759 till they actually got involved in it. 251 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,799 And then, whoa! 252 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:13,999 -I just used to do it. I was no 253 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,199 there was no knee pads, shin pads, wherever pads. 254 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,279 I'd just, you know, get a newspaper, 255 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,199 put on your elbows in, and that was it. 256 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,879 -My first back-pad was a piece of foam-backed carpet 257 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,719 which I cut out to the shape of my back, 258 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,159 put a bit of string through it, tied it up. 259 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,119 Luxury. Going down concrete stairs. 260 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,239 -A lot of the guys, um, that was either doormen, 261 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,799 or part-time villains, done a bit of crowd work. 262 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,839 You know what I mean? 263 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,119 So they didn't mind getting bashed up or runnin' around 264 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,239 'cos that's what they was doing anyway, in real life, 265 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,039 so they become stuntmen legally. 266 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,039 -When I did you only live twice, which was '66, 267 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,199 there was about 120 of us "stuntmen" on that, 268 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,599 but they were taxi drivers, bouncers, barmen. 269 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,199 A lot of these guys are absolute characters, you know. 270 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,479 And you could buy and sell anything you wanted on the set. 271 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,479 You could buy all your smoked salmon, your Sherry 272 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,079 and everything for Christmas 'cos it was coming up to Christmas. 273 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,439 They were Wheeler-dealers, all the east end London boys. 274 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,319 -You know, everyone got to know everyone else. 275 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,879 Food, whatever the boys used to make... 276 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,839 Work in the meat market. 277 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,359 They used to go straight from work in the meat market 278 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,079 straight down to shepperton or one of elstree, you know, 279 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,559 mgm, and it suddenly built up like that. 280 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:25,479 -They enjoyed the social life. 281 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,399 They'd spend their per diems and all their money 282 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,799 and come home skint. 283 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:35,199 I mean, that's how stuntmen... How they were in those days. 284 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,479 Uh, but they had plenty of nerve. They did. 285 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,479 A lot of them would do 286 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,959 the dangerous bits and pieces, you know. 287 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,439 -There was also a great element of professionalism 288 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,799 because there were those guys 289 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,559 who had been doing it for a number of years. 290 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,199 Quite a lot of them had been in world war ii 291 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,039 and come out of the army and everything else, 292 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,119 and had done some very, very hairy stuff, 293 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,759 and knew what it was 294 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,119 to look after themselves and behave properly. 295 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,359 -So, you had this basically group of ex-servicemen 296 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,479 that were working in London, and they'd get odd days 297 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,559 to go and work as crowd and extras on films; 298 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:10,479 and then they wanted somebody to get through, 299 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,439 knocked through a window, or fall off a horse 300 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,239 or-or get knocked over by a car. 301 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,399 They'd step forward because they were hard guys and, 302 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,959 "yeah, that can't be too bad, you know. 303 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,839 Done worse than that in the war." 304 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,959 But they obviously had an aptitude for it as well 305 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,799 and they became fantastic stunt people. 306 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,119 Some of the best in the world, admired by everybody. 307 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,079 [Paul Weston] They could fall down, you know, 308 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,439 and jump around and play soldiers 309 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,479 because they, that's what they did. 310 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:38,759 Uh, others were, um, characters, boxers, they were wrestlers, 311 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,799 so they were good character, good heavy faces. 312 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,119 And you knew that, you know, if they had to have a fight, 313 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,319 it didn't matter whether you hit them or not, you know. 314 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,679 They-they were big tough guys. 315 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:49,999 -You can always tell an old film 316 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,799 because you see old faces in the background, 317 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,919 and you know there's going to be a fight, you know. 318 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,479 I'll see old films now, then suddenly you see the old faces. 319 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,959 I haven't seen them all, but you see, 320 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,919 you know that there's going to be a fight in there 321 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,279 because of the people who are in there. 322 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,319 You know what I mean? 323 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,039 So, if they was in that bar or in that club, 324 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,519 you know it was going to be off there. 325 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,039 [Upbeat music] 326 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,639 [Ray Winstone] Perhaps the first real 327 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,719 legends of British stunt work 328 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,799 were this pair of brothers from south London. 329 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,879 The powells. 330 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,199 -The powells. 331 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:25,359 Uh, my father, who's nosher, known as nosher Powell. 332 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,400 [Indistinct chatter] 333 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,479 -Very, very well-known stuntman. 334 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,439 I should say about 6'4", 335 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,799 ex-professional heavyweight boxer, 336 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,919 used to spar with Ali. 337 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,599 When Muhammad Ali came over here, 338 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,759 he used to like to spar with nosher. 339 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,800 [Upbeat music] 340 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,279 -He used to clown about, you know, 341 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,639 so they used to put him on last to keep all the people there. 342 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,559 Uh, and he was an entertainer, a very funny guy. 343 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,279 And then he got into the film business. 344 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,439 His brother, dinny 345 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,480 [♪♪♪] 346 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,279 He was in the stunt business 347 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,160 [man groans] 348 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,439 [Plates shattering] 349 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,999 -Well, nosher and dinny 350 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,039 were big in the business when I started. 351 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,279 They were part of the stunt team in those days, you know. 352 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,759 -Being around the film business 353 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,159 or being around all the boys 354 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,879 that was always enjoying theirself, 355 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,839 I really, I wanted to do the same. 356 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,839 I went out on a, I think it was on a school break; 357 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,599 dad was filming in Turkey on a film called 358 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,159 you can't win them all 359 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,919 with Tony Curtis and um, Charles Bronson. 360 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,279 And while I was out there, I got a little job 361 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,399 off of Jackie Cooper who was the horsemaster, 362 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,839 doin' a bit of riding around in the background, you know. 363 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,559 So, it really started there. 364 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,759 -Looks like some other vultures got here first. 365 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,839 -Yeah. 366 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,560 [Clippety-clop of hooves] 367 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,279 -They're part of the little mafias of families 368 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,679 that are in not only the English stunt business, 369 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,239 in the Spanish stunt business, the American stunt business, 370 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,719 and Chinese stunt business. 371 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,479 Every, it's a very incestuous business 372 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,399 and families just seem to grow into it, you know. 373 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,599 Now of course Gary Powell, Greg's younger brother, 374 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,519 is one of the top coordinators in the world now. 375 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,079 -So, there was a half and half, 376 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,719 they were-they were some cowboy stuntmen around 377 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,159 who would hurt themselves occasionally, badly, 378 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,839 and then you wouldn't see them again. 379 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,279 And then there was some of the guys 380 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,639 who were known as stuntmen. 381 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,719 -It was people like Bob Simmons 382 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,760 [suspenseful music] 383 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,240 [Rapid gunshots] 384 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,800 [Man grunts] 385 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,880 -Joe Powell, who's no relation. 386 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,400 -Go forward. 387 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,319 [Rapid gunshots] 388 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,000 [Window glass shattering] 389 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,960 -Um, jock Easton. 390 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,559 [Rapid gunshots] 391 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,599 [Man shouting] 392 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,519 -Both jock Easton and Joe Powell 393 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,439 had both won the Croix De guerre in the war, 394 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,239 and they were absolute war heroes. 395 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,719 They were the beginning of the sas. 396 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,000 -One of my great heroes, Joe Powell. 397 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,679 I have so much admiration for him. 398 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,719 -Joe Powell did one of the greatest stunts ever on-on 399 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,639 the man who would be king for John Houston, 400 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,040 doubling for Sean Connery. 401 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,880 [Footsteps] 402 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,479 [Bridge rattling] 403 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,280 [Man speaking foreign language] 404 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,639 [Ropes cutting] 405 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,039 -[Inhales] And they had a whole team of stunt people 406 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,799 from america that were going to do 407 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,039 this high fall off this bridge 408 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,519 and everything else, each one, in turn, 409 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,919 got magical diarrhoea or had a sickness at home 410 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,039 or a toothache or a neck ache or leg ache, could not do it, 411 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,039 and they all basically chickened out. 412 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,039 So, in desperation, they said, "Joe, would you do it?" 413 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,800 I said, "yeah, of course I will." 414 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,519 -♪ A glorious band, the chosen few ♪ 415 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,919 ♪ on whom the spirit came. ♪ 416 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,239 [Vic Armstrong] And he went up there still on the bridge, 417 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,519 wore the real metal helmet. 418 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,279 [Sean Connery] ♪ twelve Valiant saints ♪ 419 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,519 ♪ their hope they knew ♪ 420 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,439 ♪ and mocked the cross and flame ♪ 421 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,599 [Sean and Michael] ♪ he met the tyrant's brandished steel ♪ 422 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,999 ♪ the lion's gory mane ♪ 423 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,239 ♪ he bowed his head his death to feel ♪ 424 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,280 [Bridge clattering] 425 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,959 -They flipped the bridge and he fell nearly 110 feet 426 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,159 down into the boxes. 427 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,639 The thing about the boxes were they were just built on a ledge, 428 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,559 and if he misses those, it's another, you know, 429 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,999 a 1,000 feet to the... To the bottom of the cliff. 430 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,239 And he did it, and came back up again, "is that all right? 431 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,960 Do you want to go again?" You know. 432 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,519 George leech was one of the very early stuntmen. 433 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,399 [Gunshot] 434 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,479 [Man screaming] 435 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,160 [Water splashes] 436 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,560 [Man] [Screaming] Help! 437 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,679 -He started in the early '50s, 438 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,999 doubling for George... Uh, James Mason. 439 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,199 -He was, um, very intelligent and-and he was a good performer. 440 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,479 He was a good boxer. 441 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,479 He was, um, he could set up a good fight 442 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,319 and he knew who could hold up his hands 443 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,359 and-and-and can do a good fight. 444 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:43,079 He was a good coordinator and a nice gentle man. 445 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,680 -Who's the man behind all this? 446 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,719 -I don't know. [Gunshot] 447 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,839 -I'm not joking, rico. 448 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,879 [Ray Winstone] One of the most important stuntmen 449 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,959 to emerge in this era is one of the last from that time 450 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,839 to still be alive today, 451 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,999 ray Austin. 452 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,639 -Drop it. 453 00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,720 [Gunshot] 454 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,680 - [Punch thrown] - [Man groans] 455 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,719 [Suspenseful music] 456 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,599 [Vase shattering] 457 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,840 [Man groans] 458 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,880 [Punches thrown] 459 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,360 [Both men grunting] 460 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,599 -I came out of the army 461 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,439 with what I thought was a fantastic career 462 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,879 because I was a physical training instructor. 463 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,839 I went to the London county council at westminster 464 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,759 to get a, what they call a pe teacher in those days, 465 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,639 it was called, in a school in england. 466 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,999 And they said to me, "great, great, great. 467 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,559 What other subjects do you teach?" 468 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,119 So, I said, "well, wait a minute. 469 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,079 I don't s... I'm just a pt instructor." 470 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,599 "Oh, we do pt in music, pt in art, 471 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,319 pt in arithmetic, pt in English. 472 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,279 We don't employ anyone just for pt," 473 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,119 so I didn't have a job. 474 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,519 I got a job as a chauffeur... Driver in London. 475 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,999 Cary Grant came over on a visit 476 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,559 and I got designated to drive him. 477 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,439 There was a little coffee bar, 478 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,319 and Cary and I went in there one night. 479 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,159 Sat down to have a coffee, 480 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,999 and there were about three or four yobs in there, 481 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,239 as we called them in those days, from the area, 482 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,079 and they spotted him, 483 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,679 and they started to give him a bad time; 484 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,959 one thing and another. 485 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,639 He got up and went to leave, 486 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,159 and I was going to follow him out. 487 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,159 And as he went to leave, the guy sitting on the stool 488 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,679 grabbed Cary's arm 489 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,639 to pull him 'round, and Cary stepped back at it, 490 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,719 so I stepped between and I hit the guy. 491 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,919 So, we started to be more than just a driver, 492 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,839 and-and Cary and I became his sort of man Friday. 493 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,879 We're in Los Angeles, Malibu, 494 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,159 and I had-i had a little rented house on the beach in Malibu 495 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,359 in those days where we used to surf, and one thing and another. 496 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:03,039 And Cary Grant's stunt double at that time 497 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,599 was a stuntman called Paul stader. 498 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,919 Great stuntman. 499 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,679 A job with Johnny weissmuller and all those sort of people. 500 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,720 [Johnny weissmuller yells like Tarzan] 501 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,679 -And he was sort of in in the stunt business. 502 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,079 He was the stuntman to know. 503 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:28,919 I always noticed that stars, actors, and directors 504 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,519 always were friends or liked stuntmen. 505 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,519 You know, your Roger Moores and Sean connerys 506 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,319 always had time to talk to a stuntman. 507 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,319 They never had time to talk to extras always 508 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,719 or stand-ins, but always stuntmen. 509 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,439 A stuntman could always get to them. So I 510 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,759 thought about it and thought, 511 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,519 "well, if I'm gonna get in the industry, 512 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,479 that is the way to go, is to become a stuntman." 513 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,959 So, Paul came to me and he said, 514 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,839 "you want to do a stunt in a movie?" 515 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,279 So, I said, "yeah." 516 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,199 And it evolved fro-from that, 517 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,679 that I got into the stunt business 518 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,719 and started doing all the things, you know, 519 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,120 and then it escalated from there. I got very lucky. 520 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,560 [Soldiers screaming] 521 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,879 -Come on, cut it out. 522 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,799 [Loud tapping on table] 523 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,000 [Indistinct mutter] 524 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,319 -Burn this for the state. 525 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,879 - [Plates shattering] - [Loud groaning] 526 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,920 [Man] I doubt that. 527 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,560 [Thrilling music] 528 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,159 -I got very, um, lucky and clever 529 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,159 because I found out that I was a good arranger. 530 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,199 So suddenly, I'm arranging the stunts, 531 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,759 and I'm the one making the phone calls at night to the stuntmen, 532 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,359 saying, "I want you tomorrow morning, 533 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,239 so I'll have five of you tomorrow," 534 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,719 working out the fight and doing it. 535 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,599 So, I really took over 536 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,079 and didn't have to do physical stunts myself 537 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,479 unless it was something that I particularly wanted to do. 538 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,320 [♪♪♪] 539 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,879 The thing I'm known for more than anything is kung fu. 540 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,719 I mean, I brought kung fu to the screen. 541 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,119 No one else did. 542 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,160 [Man] Back up. 543 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,319 [Fingers snapping] 544 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,799 -Give me the gun. 545 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,199 -Back up. 546 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,120 [Fingers snapping] 547 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280 -Give me the gun. 548 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,920 [Gun thuds] 549 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,599 -I brought kung fu into the country. 550 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,279 I taught them kung fu, and we used to fight kung fu, 551 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,760 but I never thought of doing the high speed. 552 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,119 You can imagine Diana rigg in that outfit 553 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,679 doing kung fu at high speed. 554 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,799 Oh, boy. She'd have been incredible doing that. 555 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,799 Those long legs sticking out there, 556 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,120 going at high speed, everybody would have loved it. 557 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,599 [Man grunts] 558 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,040 - [Knee thrown] - [Man grunts] 559 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,199 -Mrs. Peel, you're remarkable. 560 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,199 -He was, um, sort of an icon for us 561 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,599 because he took it another stage further. 562 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,759 He started to, um, stay in-in the camera room 563 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,359 when all the camera guys had gone, 564 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,439 and he'd go through the lenses and he'd learn about a camera, 565 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,879 get one of the guys to help him. 566 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,199 He learnt camera. 567 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,799 He learnt, um, all the departments, what they did. 568 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,119 Um, and he-he learnt his trade. 569 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:06,399 And so, when he wanted to... To direct second unit, 570 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,119 um, they allowed him to do it 571 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,159 because they-they believed in him. 572 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,919 [Ray Winstone] Despite being one of the greatest stunt performers 573 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,599 of his generation, ray was keen to use stunt work 574 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,919 as a leg up within the industry. 575 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,399 He used his time on film sets 576 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,799 to learn from everyone around him 577 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,119 and would progress to a long career in america 578 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,239 as director of some of the biggest action TV shows. 579 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,199 -But I got out and got behind the camera 580 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,919 and became a director and a writer 581 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,119 and a novelist and so on. 582 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,439 You know, it's a great life for me, great life. 583 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,599 -He deserves everything 584 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,919 that he's ever achieved because he's worked at it. 585 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,759 He took it to another level for a stuntman to be able to become, 586 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,719 um, a film director. 587 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,359 [Ray Winstone] Ray employed, trained, 588 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,039 and inspired a whole new generation of performers 589 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,440 who would go on to completely reshape the trade. 590 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,399 -My father was an actor cum extra, cum stuntman. 591 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,199 Larry Taylor. 592 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,319 He was a good-looking man with a gap in his teeth, you know. 593 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,519 Actor. 594 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,319 The biggest thing he ever did was zulu. 595 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,519 He played a big part in zulu. 596 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,160 [Hughes] Colour-sergeant bourne. 597 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,239 What's that shooting? 598 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,999 [Colour-sergeant] A rifle, Hughes. 599 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,199 [Hughes] Hey? 600 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,479 -If you're sick in hospital, 601 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,959 I suggest you go and lie down. 602 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,239 -Yes, colour-sergeant. 603 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,839 [Rocky Taylor] He had the broken neck. 604 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,159 When the building's burning, he's in there, 605 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,439 trying to get everybody out. 606 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,839 They all collected all around him. 607 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,159 Said I want you to do judo. 608 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,759 I got to black belt very early 609 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,759 through Dougie Robinson and Joe Robinson. 610 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,399 [♪♪♪] 611 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,159 [Ray Winstone] Doug and Joe Robinson 612 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,799 were hugely respected in the film industry. 613 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,319 It was the Robinson boys who taught some of 614 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,760 britain's biggest stars how to fight. 615 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,639 -I got to black belt, brown belt, black belt. 616 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,479 And, um, came the avengers. 617 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520 [♪♪♪] 618 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,519 -I'm terribly sorry, young fella. 619 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,159 [Coins clanking] 620 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,440 All in a good cause. 621 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,719 -Ray Austin, he gave me my first break 622 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,919 on the avengers. 623 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,119 When I went down, 624 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,240 I-I was-i was down playing the part of the thug. 625 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,279 [Slap thrown] 626 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,239 [♪♪♪] 627 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,520 [Body thudding] 628 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,720 [Man grunts] 629 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,239 -And there was this scene 630 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,519 where a guy had to come down the stairs, 631 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,319 flip over onto the table, 632 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,759 jump on the table, punches him with one foot, 633 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,199 punches him with another, boom, and he goes down. 634 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,519 And ray said, his name is Steve songs. 635 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,519 His name was Steve songs, extra cum stuntman. 636 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,639 He said, "ray, I can't do that." 637 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,919 He said, "what do you mean?" 638 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,479 "No, it's not quite me." 639 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,679 He went, "rocky." 640 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,359 I said, "yeah." "Can you do this?" 641 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,519 "What?" and ray showed me, because ray could do it. 642 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,679 Ray said, "can you do this? On the banister... boom. 643 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,039 On the table... boom, kick, boom, boom. Bang, bang." 644 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,159 I said, "well, I think so. Hang on." 645 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,559 At the bottom, he went, "that's exactly what I want. 646 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,679 Go and get changed." 647 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,839 I said, "what?" "Go and get changed. 648 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,240 You're now steed's double." 649 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,360 [Statue clanking] 650 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,080 [Swords swishing] 651 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,119 I'm now steed of the avengers double 652 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,799 from nowhere. 653 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,280 I now got five years' work on the avengers. 654 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,119 That was my big breakthrough. 655 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,879 Ray Austin, bless him. 656 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,999 -TV shows then, you had the avengers, 657 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,079 you had the Saint, champions. 658 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,279 It was-it was TV shows going every day. 659 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,679 They had stunts every day. 660 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,679 -Yeah, I had a great time on TV. 661 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,359 I had two wonderful years on the avengers 662 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,599 and doing the barons and the saints and all those. 663 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,399 -Television was still a little bit in its 664 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,519 [clears throat] Infancy. 665 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,759 And you could go and perform on television and do it. 666 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,039 But the money was not the same as it was in films. 667 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,919 And on films, you got long contracts. 668 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,079 So, you'd be two or three or four months on the film. 669 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,279 And that was the thing that it was to get, 670 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,759 was to break the back of that and be able to get into that. 671 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,119 -We occasionally got down, okay, uh... 672 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,839 Film stunt guys came down. 673 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,519 And you know, the-the-the Bob Simmons and Terry yorkes 674 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,039 and they've been away on movies, and, um you thought, 675 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,239 "wow, I wonder what it's like to be on a big movie." 676 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,559 -In the early days, stuntmen didn't want to help. 677 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,119 My generation came into the business, 678 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,680 they because they saw it as a threat, so 679 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,479 you had to fend for yourself. 680 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,279 -Gradually, we as young stunt guys coming in, 681 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,239 um, started to be able to watch what they were doing. 682 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,759 And sometimes you'd think, 683 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,399 "oh, I wouldn't do it that way." 684 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,239 You'd see a guy, you know, hurt himself coming off 685 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,919 of a balcony or something because he didn't fall right. 686 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,639 Yeah. And so we learnt, I learned by other people's... 687 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,479 Watching other people that did it well, 688 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,479 and-and some of their mistakes. 689 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,759 -Because I was an apprentice at rolls Royce 690 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,359 and was into helicopters and that, 691 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,399 and did my five years engineering-wise, 692 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,959 it was nothing... you could come out with ideas 693 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,079 that you used to get on a... On a set and look at, 694 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,759 uh, a layout to what they were doing and say, 695 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,799 "well, that ain't gonna work. We need to do this." 696 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,959 So, I came in at that era, and I got so much work 697 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,959 I couldn't but of course, 698 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,719 that didn't help the situation between the old guys and myself, 699 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,319 because they said, "how come this bastard 700 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,399 is getting all the work and he's... 701 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,959 He's only been in the industry five minutes?" 702 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,759 -And there was a lot of... I mean, 703 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,959 you hear terrible stories 704 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,519 as that, that when they were doing ivanhoe 705 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,759 in [indistinct] 706 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,800 [Man groans] 707 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,639 [Paul Weston] A guy went up there to 708 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,799 do a fall off a battlement. 709 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,560 And he put his boxes down and the mattresses and whatever. 710 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,519 And someone had put some rocks in on the top of the bed. 711 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,399 If you, they didn't like you, then you may, 712 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,159 you know, not, you may get injured. 713 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,879 Um, so yes, so I think it was tougher in those days 714 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,559 because they were, they were wrestlers, 715 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,439 and they were boxers and they were, 716 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,519 um, people from the east end, from the west end, you know. 717 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,279 Um, they were all trying to make a living. 718 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,279 They would drive, you know, down to Spain 719 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,599 if there's a movie in Spain 720 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,919 and just be there and they would, you know, 721 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,159 work on the film and sleep in the car. 722 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,039 I mean, there was no organization. 723 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,039 They just did it to, because, you know, 724 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,519 they'd earn enough money out of it 725 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,439 to-to bring some money home. 726 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,599 That was... [Clears throat] 727 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,239 The difficulty that was going on in terms of paddy Ryan 728 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,759 and-and jock Easton. 729 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,039 Um, Joe Powell and Eddie Powell, um, they were... 730 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,479 They were doing that because there was no other way. 731 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,199 That-that's, you know, 732 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,439 that's the way the business was at that time. 733 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,959 They had no respect other than, you know, if you get up there, 734 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,639 and you fall off, that's great. 735 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,039 Get a round of applause. 736 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,399 Away you go. They didn't want any other than that. 737 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,639 And we used to, um, have to sign blood chits, 738 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,959 which meant that you forego any, um 739 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,679 you-you take on all the responsibility of that fall. 740 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,519 If you fell on somebody and killed them, 741 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,039 you would be sued. 742 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,439 We got our first sort of, um, guild together, 743 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,999 and we said, "look, we got to not be extras anymore. 744 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,079 We need to be part of equity and start to-to get some respect 745 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,439 from the industry, uh, as stunt performers." 746 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,519 -I think people finally realized 747 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,319 that being a stuntman 748 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,479 did not necessarily the basic criteria was 749 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,839 being an ex-boxer 750 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,319 with a sort of broken nose and a cauliflower ear, and he says, 751 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,839 "I'll have a go at that, governor." There was a lot more to it, 752 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,559 and we were getting more mechanized, 753 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,799 and people would, you know, the car, I mean, 754 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,839 bullets had come out, 755 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,079 and the great car chase had suddenly become, 756 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,000 "mm. Let's have a little go at that." 757 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000 [Cars speeding] 758 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,280 [Car tires screeching] 759 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,920 So, you can't do that kind of stuff with that. 760 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560 [Ray Winstone] It was time for things to change. 761 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,639 -We'd done two or three bonds in england, 762 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,399 and there's people who are interested in coming over here 763 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,719 and doing more action pictures. 764 00:35:55,720 --> 00:36:01,399 And, you know, they want to, to, uh, uh, nail down the skills, 765 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,479 which is why those stunt coordinators 766 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,999 got together with equity. 767 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,079 And the stunt register was thus formed. 768 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,679 If you had two stunt contracts, 769 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,559 you could come on the stunt register, 770 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,559 and you were accepted as a stuntman. 771 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,639 -A lot of the stunt guys that were established 772 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,559 thought it was, you know, just a gimmick, 773 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,079 and they didn't want to pay to go in it. 774 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,079 And they-they thought it was a silly idea 775 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,839 because they were already established 776 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,519 in their own little way. 777 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,039 But once we got into equity, the other guys had to come in. 778 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,639 Either they joined us in equity, or they weren't, 779 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,959 you know, they weren't insured. 780 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,999 And we started the first insurance through, um, lloyds. 781 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,919 -And we began getting proper contracts 782 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,759 which were stunt contracts. 783 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,839 They weren't just a glorified artist's contract; 784 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,519 they were stunt contracts. 785 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,159 And that was that again made a big difference 786 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,279 because we'd said we set our own minimum daily rates 787 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,279 and said, "we will not perform for less than that. 788 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,399 If you want to go outside the register 789 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,479 and get somebody who wants to do it for thruppence, 790 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,759 then that's your business. 791 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,119 But what you will get 792 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,359 when you come to somebody on the stunt register 793 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,879 is a professional performer or coordinator, 794 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,519 who's done it before and expects to be paid correctly 795 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,599 and expects to have a contract which is enforceable 796 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,239 if either of you step outside the realm of that contract." 797 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,719 And that's the way it should be done. 798 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,279 -We came in with no qualifications. 799 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,159 We were all hypocrites in the world, you know. 800 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,639 [Laughs] Let's face it. 801 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,919 We dec-decided for the better of the film business, 802 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,839 if you could form a group, an organization of some people 803 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,999 that do have qualifications, or if they haven't, 804 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,479 they work under people that do have qualifications 805 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,159 and the safety standards then are higher 806 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,079 because then we have probationary, intermediate, 807 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,159 and then full members, so they had to go through 808 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,199 a probationary period to an intermediate period. 809 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,599 And when they're intermediate, 810 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,239 they could coordinate their own stunts, 811 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,359 but they couldn't coordinate for other people. 812 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,639 And then, once they got enough qualification for that, 813 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,239 then they became stunt coordinators 814 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,519 which is a totally logical and sensible 815 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,839 and safe way of doing it. 816 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,399 -So, when they come in, they're vetted, 817 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,039 so you had a committee who vet whether they could ride a horse, 818 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,679 whether they could do a fight scene, 819 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,119 whether they could handle a sword, 820 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,799 whether they could do a fall, they could swim. They could dive, 821 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,199 whether they could drive a car, 822 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,759 whether they could drive a motorbike. 823 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,359 And then we formed a book called the stunt register. 824 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,039 -Known as the book of lies. 825 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,080 [Upbeat music] 826 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,359 'Cause if one put a dot by everything, 827 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,879 you know, they could do everything 828 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,159 and say, "there's a black dot." 829 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,159 So that was commonly known as the book of lies. 830 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,199 -My ex-partner, Alan Stewart, 831 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,839 did a car jump in Hong Kong, right? 832 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,999 We had a car transported there with a bus parked here, 833 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,039 and he goes over, jumps the bus. 834 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,879 And he put [laughs] 835 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,159 One year, he put that picture 836 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,959 of this happening in the stunt book, right, 837 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,999 and Eddie eddon, god rest his soul as well, 838 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,799 he put the same picture in in his column of the same jump. 839 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,839 I'll never forget it. 840 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,599 I've still got the... That one particular one. 841 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,359 -And it progressed from there, really, 842 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,279 and it became something of... 843 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,639 Then became something of a closed shop, 844 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:12,359 so that we, the stuntmen, had a kind of monopoly 845 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,919 on doing stunts, and the producers 846 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,039 only wanted to use people off the stunt register 847 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,199 unless there was a particular skill of something, like a... 848 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,359 You know, a trapeze artist or something you could do, 849 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,079 then fine, but otherwise, 850 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,119 they were encouraged very much to go on to the stunt register. 851 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:33,759 So, when you have a, um, cartel, almost which is, you know, 852 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,639 pretty much what it was, with the endorsement of the industry, 853 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,039 it's not like we were setting out being the mafia and all, 854 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,959 or we were going out threatening people, 855 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,639 but they principally want 856 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,159 would come to the stunt register. 857 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,639 "Health and safety" started to creep in, 858 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,439 where the insurance companies and the producers 859 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,239 wanted to know that there was actually 860 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,319 a delineated form of progress for people, 861 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,239 and it made the whole organization 862 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,959 a great deal more professional. 863 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,519 And as those older members dropped away, 864 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,679 [clears throat] 865 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,839 Everybody was going to become a lot more professional. 866 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,079 -It was really getting technical then. 867 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:17,159 Special effects were coming up and-and I found that you 868 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,879 uh, you'd work more with special effects 869 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,439 than the older guys did, 870 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,199 because the older guys just didn't do it. 871 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,039 -We're now the groundbreakers, and moving forward, 872 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,599 on how to fly and how to shoot upside-down sets, 873 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,720 and wires, and all sorts of things. 874 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,199 -It was a busy time, a busy period. 875 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,119 The '70s and '80s and-and '90s, really. 876 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,400 That was when it all happened. 877 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,359 ["Born to raise hell" performed by motorhead] 878 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,240 [Scatting] 879 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,879 -♪ Listen up here I'll make it quite clear ♪ 880 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,839 ♪ I'm gonna put some boogie in your ear ♪ 881 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,960 ♪ shake and bop don't you stop ♪ 882 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,119 ♪ dance like a maniac until you drop ♪ 883 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,479 ♪ I don't mind I don't mind ♪ 884 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,080 ♪ I can run a razor right up your spine ♪ 885 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,119 ♪ what are you waiting for? ♪ 886 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,999 ♪ What do you think you were created for? ♪ 887 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,359 ♪ Show us you care ♪ 888 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,759 ♪ show us you dare ♪ 889 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,119 ♪ you don't know what happened if you weren't there ♪ 890 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,039 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 891 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,639 ♪ we know how to do it ♪ 892 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,719 ♪ and we do it real well ♪ 893 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,279 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 894 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,039 ♪ voodoo medicine ♪ 895 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,519 ♪ cast my spell ♪ 896 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,039 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 897 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,720 ♪ play that guitar just like ringin' a bell ♪ 898 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,440 ♪ Take it or leave it ♪ 899 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,920 [Gunfire] 900 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,239 ♪ Going for broke ♪ 901 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,600 ♪ rock 'til you choke ♪ 902 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,519 ♪ it don't matter if you drink or smoke ♪ 903 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,679 ♪ speak through the beat ♪ 904 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,719 ♪ get up on your feet ♪ 905 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,479 ♪ sweating like a hound dog ♪ 906 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,880 ♪ white as a sheet ♪ 907 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,679 ♪ don't you be scared don't you be scared ♪ 908 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,719 ♪ everybody terrified it don't seem fair ♪ 909 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,279 ♪ what are you waiting for? ♪ 910 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,800 ♪ What do you think you were created for ♪ 911 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,799 ♪ out of your seat blind in the heat ♪ 912 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,359 ♪ do the nasty boogie mama stomp your feet ♪ 913 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,759 ♪ born to raise hell born to raise hell ♪ 914 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,399 ♪ we know how to do it ♪ 915 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,279 ♪ and we do it real well ♪ 916 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,759 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 917 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,999 ♪ go back to zero ♪ 918 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,199 ♪ take a pill and get well ♪ 919 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,719 ♪ born to raise hell ♪ 920 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,719 ♪ be a good soldier ♪ - [Bomb exploding] 921 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,679 - [Rapid gunshots] - ♪ and die where you fell ♪ 922 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,159 [Chandelier shattering] 923 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,760 [Perky music] 924 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,119 ♪ It's your momma ♪♪ 925 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,720 [Lively guitar music] 926 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,360 [Rapid gunshots] 927 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,039 [Body thuds] 928 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,319 -It was just, it was what we wanted to do. 929 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,399 It was what we were doing. 930 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,519 So naturally, wake up in the morning, every day, 931 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,919 you'd be up at five in the morning, 932 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,599 six days a week, seven days a week. 933 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,919 You'd have a hangover 934 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,839 because you had a party on the Saturday night. 935 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,279 And then you'd get up and do design stuff on Sunday afternoon 936 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,319 if you weren't playing tennis or doing something. 937 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,679 It was just the way our life was. 938 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,719 -Yeah, it was a good living. Yeah, absolutely. 939 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,119 And, uh, if, providing you got 940 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,279 on to the-to the rollercoaster of coordinators. 941 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,439 Once you were on the team, 942 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,639 you just went from one film to another film. 943 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,039 -And I'd be away for like six, nine months at a time. 944 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,719 I worked with Stallone. Uh 945 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,679 I've doubled dolph lundgren. 946 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,239 I-I had got into a... 947 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,839 A lot of films like that 948 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,439 where I was doubling main actors. 949 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,719 [Ray Winstone] Of all the British stunt performers, 950 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,919 one seemed to stand out above the rest within the industry. 951 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,319 Vic assumed legendary status when he became associated with 952 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,639 and would go on to define 953 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,679 perhaps cinema's greatest action hero. 954 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,599 -My brother was working on two films. 955 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,079 One was called Hanover street. 956 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,039 And he said, "there's a guy in there looks just like you." 957 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,599 And then the other one was force 10 from navarone 958 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,839 in yugoslavia or somewhere funny. 959 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,639 And I was talking to him on the phone one day 960 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,799 because you couldn't, in those days, 961 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,319 you couldn't, didn't have emails 962 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,359 and didn't have skypes or anything like that. 963 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,959 And he'd phoned home to mum and dad once, 964 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,799 and I was talking to him. He said, "here, Vic, 965 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,519 "I'm wor... Got this actor on this film. 966 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,039 He's a dead ringer for you, you know. 967 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,399 You should keep an eye on him. 968 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,599 If he, you know, gets famous, 969 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,199 he'd be a good one for you to double." 970 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,399 "Oh, what's his name?" He said, "Harrison Ford." 971 00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,039 Cut two years later, 1980 or something, '79, 972 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,959 and I kept getting these calls from David tomblin, 973 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,839 one of the greatest ads in the world, who we did 974 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,879 Superman, bridge too far, many, many films with, 975 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,639 fantastic ad. He's saying, "look, when are you coming back, though? 976 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,119 We've got this actor. You're-you're a good double for him." 977 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,679 And it was Harrison, which I didn't know at that time. 978 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,759 I arrived on the set, 979 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,799 and Peter diamond was the stunt coordinator. 980 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,039 They met me and everything else. All the stunt guys were there, 981 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,519 hanging 'round the set, and I was watching them filming 982 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,199 and obviously knew Spielberg and everything else by this time. 983 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,319 I knew of them. 984 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,439 So, I'm walking away, 985 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,879 and somebody's shouting, "Harrison" and I ignored him 986 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,879 and "Harrison, Harrison." 987 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,359 And then somebody grabbed me on the shoulder, spun me around, 988 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,039 and said, "but you're not Harrison." 989 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,239 And it was Steven Spielberg. 990 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,759 And I went, "no. No, I'm not." 991 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,079 And he went, "and who are you?" I said, "Vic Armstrong." 992 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,839 He says, "what are you doing here?" I said, 993 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,599 "I've just arrived last night. I'm a stuntman. Just got called in." 994 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,399 "You're a stuntman? Tomblin, David, David. 995 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,399 Look, this guy rates he's a stuntman. 996 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,159 He looks just like Harrison." 997 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,519 And, um, David said, "well, this is the guy 998 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,119 I've been telling you about, Steven. 999 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,799 He's not been available. He's just arrived now, you know?" 1000 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,799 [Gasps] "Oh, okay. Okay, okay." 1001 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,399 And that was my introduction to Steven Spielberg. 1002 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,639 And a couple of days later, dav... Peter diamond said, 1003 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,879 "look, you handle the fight round the flying wing 1004 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,959 with big pat roach" who's an old mate of mine, 1005 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,479 I fought pat for years and years and years in films. 1006 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,399 "You handle pat around the 1007 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,079 the fight around the flying wing. 1008 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,999 I've got to go and start the truck chase." 1009 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,159 First morning we were there, again, it was almost lunchtime, 1010 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,199 Spielberg had sort of, 1011 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,999 didn't really talk to me much during the day, 1012 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,519 but I'm just watching all the shots. 1013 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,319 In those days, you had to get your... look over 1014 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,559 the lens of the camera when they're doing the punches, 1015 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,879 and make sure the punch, you know, there wasn't a miss 1016 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,519 or anything when they... When they hit. 1017 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,279 And one of these punches, 1018 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,559 it's just about lunchtime, and he, 1019 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,559 Harrison, threw a punch at, um, pat roach, and Steven went, 1020 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,639 "fantastic. That was great. That was great. 1021 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,959 Okay, next shot's over here." 1022 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,119 And I said, "excuse me, Mr. Spielberg" 1023 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,239 and he went, "hm?" 1024 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,999 And this was the first time he was even aware 1025 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,159 I was on the set, coordinating. 1026 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,999 Um, I said, "I think that was a miss." 1027 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,399 "No, I think it was a hit." 1028 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,759 And I said, "i'm-I'm pretty sure it was a miss." 1029 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,159 You know, we have to stand up and be counted, you know, 1030 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,239 so anyway. Okay, we do it again, 1031 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,599 and he's a bit sarcastic, and we did it again. 1032 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,199 So you cut to nearly five days later, 1033 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,759 because in those days, they'd send the rushes back to england, 1034 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,319 they'd process and have a look at them and they'd send them back, 1035 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,799 and then they set up a projector in the lobby of the hotel. 1036 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,279 And sure enough, the shot comes up, 1037 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,239 and I'm about three rows back from Spielberg. 1038 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:26,959 And he watches it and you see the first one, 1039 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,039 and he went, "you're absolutely right, Vic." 1040 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,439 By now we're friends, you know. 1041 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,599 "You're absolutely right, Vic. Yeah, it was a miss." 1042 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,239 And the next one comes, it's on the money. 1043 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,239 Cool. I couldn't do anything wrong after that. 1044 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,359 So that was... I-I'd earned my spurs. 1045 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,919 So that was the start of-of-of Indiana Jones, 1046 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,239 which was, to me was fabulous. 1047 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,280 [♪♪♪] 1048 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,319 -[Mutters] Indiana Jones and the temple of doom... yeah. 1049 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,239 I'm on-on there because I'm doubling the arch villain. 1050 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,359 -Frank is wonderful, 1051 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,119 wonderful sense of humor. 1052 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,479 And I had him doubling mola ram 1053 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,759 on Indiana Jones and the temple of doom. 1054 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,799 I've fought with him on that hanging stair at the bridge 1055 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,519 where, when the bridge is broken and men are hanging on it. 1056 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,599 -Up the top one is Vic and I, obviously. 1057 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,799 But on the 30-foot ones is Harrison and I. 1058 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,079 I've always got on well with Harrison. 1059 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,559 I've worked on about four or five films with him. 1060 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,959 I've been out to dinner with him. 1061 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,279 A lovely man. 1062 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,959 And Harrison said, 1063 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,999 "I don't want to fight with him" - the actor. 1064 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,679 He said he may not know where to miss and all that. 1065 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,959 So I let frank up there. 1066 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,959 Vic said to me, "you get a thousand pounds 1067 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,359 for shaving your hair." 1068 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,199 I said, "Vic, you can do it all day long." [Laughs] 1069 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,879 Every week. 1070 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,079 [♪♪♪] [Harrison grunts] 1071 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,999 [Vic Armstrong] The bridge has broken, 1072 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,759 men are hanging on it, and I'm fighting him, 1073 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,639 and this guy's falling past us down into the crocodiles below. 1074 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,759 And I'm hanging on the... On the ladder at the bottom, 1075 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,279 nearly gone and-and frank had to fall off the top, 1076 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,359 one of the rungs. 1077 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,359 He's trying to escape one of the rungs breaking. 1078 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,679 He falls, goes past me, and then grabs a rung below me 1079 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,279 and we carry on fighting. 1080 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,999 [Kate groaning] 1081 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,000 [Mola grunting] 1082 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:30,679 -Like an idiot, I put a-a small harness on here. 1083 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,959 And I hooked on there instead of having it up here. 1084 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,320 So, as I let go, the weight of the body, I turned over. 1085 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,999 -And he came by me and bashed off me and flew past. 1086 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,319 And I thought his cable had snapped because he went so fast 1087 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,239 and a bit further than we'd measured. 1088 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,319 -It was so quick. 1089 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,399 And the next minute, Vic is... has grabbed me 1090 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,560 because he thinks I'm going, and we're fighting. 1091 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,359 -"For Christ's sake, frank, are you all right?" 1092 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,279 Bang. "Christ, I thought we'd lost you there." 1093 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,799 Bang! And he kicks me in the nuts. 1094 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,959 And I bash him on the 1095 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,439 [Vic and frank grunting] 1096 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,319 [Kate capshaw] [Shouting] No. 1097 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,879 -I think, to be honest, Vic was more relieved than me 1098 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,279 that I'd stopped. 1099 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,599 -And it was so funny, I was worried to death about him 1100 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,599 and punching the shit out of him at the same time. 1101 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,119 [Laughing] 1102 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,680 -[Yelling] [Indistinct]. 1103 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,360 [Mola gasps] 1104 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,520 [Mola screaming] 1105 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,919 -They were just tremendous. 1106 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,519 It was very, very satisfying films to work on. 1107 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,239 They're dirty. They're hard work. 1108 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,839 Dirty in as much as they're dusty 1109 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,999 and always in funny situations. 1110 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,559 And they're hard work, very exacting director, 1111 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,119 but we gave him what he wanted. 1112 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,359 And the sense of gratification was great from him 1113 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,399 and from us, you know. 1114 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,119 It was very, very satisfying films, 1115 00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,399 and that's what I like doing. 1116 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,999 So those first three will be forever in my happy memory bank. 1117 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,279 [Laughs] 1118 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,679 [Ray Winstone] Now, Vic might have been creating heroes, 1119 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,879 but the others were getting to work with theirs. 1120 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,559 -Rickson, I said outside. 1121 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,599 Now come on! 1122 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:15,919 -That cuts it. 1123 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,360 [Punches thrown] 1124 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,279 - [John grunts] - [Glass clanks] 1125 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,319 [Ray Winstone] When John Wayne came over to London 1126 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,839 to shoot his action film brannigan, 1127 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,719 he had the cream of the crop to choose from, 1128 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:30,599 and frank henson couldn't believe his luck. 1129 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,039 -I love John Wayne. 1130 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,359 And the first time I did a stunt with him, he bollocked me. 1131 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,839 [Car tires screeching] 1132 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,519 Peter said to me, "your first job 1133 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,839 is driving this e-type at him." 1134 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,239 And Dougie hickox, the director, taught me terribly to me, 1135 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,279 said, "frank, when you come in, 1136 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,279 swing 'round like this, and then come in." 1137 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,999 So eeeehhh. 1138 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,119 [♪♪♪] 1139 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,080 [Car engine speeding] 1140 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,599 Wayne went, "that looked fucking terrible." 1141 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,119 I said, "what do you want?" 1142 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,759 Before I started, I loved him all my life. 1143 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,359 He said to come straight through there. 1144 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:10,879 I said "I'm doing 70 miles an hour." 1145 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,439 "You come straight through there." 1146 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,959 Go back in the car, "fucking nutter." 1147 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,000 [Laughs] 1148 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,160 [Car engine speeding] 1149 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,720 [Rapid gunshots] 1150 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,999 Got out, he went... 1151 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,959 [punch thrown] Hit me, he went, "that wasn't bad, kid." 1152 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,359 After that we got on brilliant together. 1153 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,439 What he was worried about, like I understand now, 1154 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,119 he wasn't sure which side I was going to come. 1155 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,679 Where he's shooting at me, 1156 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,399 and as I go past is more shooting. 1157 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,559 So that was my first [laughs] tie-tie-up with Wayne. 1158 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,519 [Ray Winstone] Having proven himself to Wayne, 1159 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,999 and stunt coordinator Peter Bryant, 1160 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,119 frank was charged with pulling off 1161 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,919 the film's most memorable stunt, 1162 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,439 but things didn't go entirely to plan. 1163 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,479 -So, we go up there, 1164 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,959 and they're explaining their point 1165 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,839 where the camera's going to be. 1166 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,599 And I said in front of all these police and everyone else, 1167 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,799 "you look", I said, "we've already been on the bridge, 1168 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,279 and I've stood on it, 1169 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,439 and we can get about an angle like that." 1170 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,559 I said, "when I come over your bridge," 1171 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,279 I said, 'hopefully I can get up to about 40, 50 miles an hour. 1172 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,119 And that will take me way over. 1173 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,719 And I could land about here and come down the other side." 1174 00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,679 I said, "and, um, there should be no damage 1175 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,279 to your bridge whatsoever." 1176 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,799 So they went outside, and they came back. 1177 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,919 They said, "we don't particularly mind 1178 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,079 if you kill yourself, 1179 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,079 but you're not damaging the bridge. 1180 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,599 So, the answer's no." [Laughs] 1181 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,999 We closed all the bridge and what they did allow us, 1182 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,519 made a ramp about six or eight feet. 1183 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,439 And I jumped the car over the ramp 1184 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,039 then lifted the bri... The car up here. 1185 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,439 And I drove it down the other side. 1186 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,480 [♪♪♪] 1187 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,319 And I jumped it onto the skip, 1188 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,879 and then Wayne gets out of the car 1189 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,879 and bang, and so forth. 1190 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,639 [♪♪♪] 1191 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,559 When they put those three pieces together, 1192 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,599 when you see the film, 1193 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,119 it looks like you've jumped the bridge. 1194 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,359 But, you know, you can't... 1195 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,759 There's no point in telling lies, 1196 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,679 "I jumped tower bridge," because I didn't. 1197 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,239 But, um, it's how it was all, and also you couldn't, 1198 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:30,359 because in Wayne's book, 1199 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,119 he said, "frank, next time we'll jump it." 1200 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,999 So, you-you couldn't lie if you wanted to lie. 1201 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,719 And the last time I ever met him I found out it was the same. 1202 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,399 I had bright green trousers on. 1203 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,599 All things had changed. 1204 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,719 No one wore evening dress and all that. 1205 00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:46,239 He went, "fucking hell, is this in Saint Patrick's night?" 1206 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,399 [Laughs] 1207 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,719 So that was my... but I had lots of conversations with him 1208 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,079 in between, and, um, some, once again, you could tell, 1209 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,519 and some you can't, you know. But... 1210 00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,079 And so I met my hero, as it were. 1211 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,159 [Ray Winstone] While some of [indistinct] guys 1212 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,639 were fulfilling their action dreams, 1213 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,159 rocky found himself taking a romantic lead. 1214 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,600 -Irene papas, [indistinct] And navarone. 1215 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,560 Remember that? 1216 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:16,680 -Spiro. 1217 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,800 [Slap thrown] 1218 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,359 -What did you do that for? 1219 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,559 -To remind you to write letters occasionally. 1220 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,559 [Men laugh] - I was sitting there. 1221 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,119 I was sitting on, sitting in the desert with her, 1222 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,199 and they were shooting this beautiful film 1223 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,319 of her and this baby, 1224 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,959 whose mother and father have been shot or something. 1225 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,479 And she was there, comfort-comforting this baby. 1226 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,359 Telling him how wonderful, and don't worry, 1227 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,879 she'll look after him and all that. 1228 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,559 And tears were running down her eyes 1229 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,239 and tears were running down my eyes. 1230 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,759 And I thought she was marvelous. 1231 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,479 So when she got up and walked away, 1232 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,679 I said, "Irene, I cried. You were fabulous." 1233 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,799 She went, "what?" I said, "you made me cry with that scene." 1234 00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,959 "Oh, thank you. Your name, is it rocky?" 1235 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:02,559 She went, "oh, rocky, thank you." "All right." 1236 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,999 Cut. 1237 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,759 A week later, we were on a square with our horses 1238 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,319 and all the stuff on, and guns and all that, 1239 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,479 and she's over there, sitting in a chair 1240 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,479 and I'm on my horse and she's going like that, 1241 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,800 and I've gone like that. 1242 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:26,879 And ten minutes later, I get a tap on my shoulder. 1243 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,919 Yes, it's her assistant with a little note, 1244 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,439 "yes. Would you care to have dinner with me this evening?" 1245 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:38,080 [Laughs] So I went and had dinner. 1246 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,119 Cut. 1247 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,999 -And because we were reasonably small, 1248 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,679 there were only about 70 of us then 1249 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,199 to distribute out amongst the good, 1250 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,119 you were always working. You were always busy. 1251 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,359 Nobody thought about it. They just gave you a contract. 1252 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,559 And these huge checks would arrive through the thing 1253 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,159 and they-they'd dent the doormat. 1254 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,199 They were enormous checks, you know. 1255 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,079 Great stuff, just buy another Harley. 1256 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,120 [♪♪♪] 1257 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,479 -When I was potless, I had no confidence. 1258 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,560 Once I didn't do too badly, I gained confidence. 1259 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,799 -You're friends but you're-you're... 1260 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,199 Huge competitors, you know. 1261 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,239 It's an individual business and, uh, 1262 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,119 and it's a freelance business, 1263 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,719 and you don't work, you don't eat, 1264 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,439 your family doesn't eat, so it is... it's cutthroat. 1265 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,479 -There's a lot of backstabbing. 1266 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,719 There's a lot, a lot, to get the job. 1267 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,279 -You're all fighting for the same jobs 1268 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,599 no matter what size you are. 1269 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,439 It's not because you're 6'6", and he's 5'6", 1270 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,959 you're not going for the same jobs. 1271 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,039 You are. 1272 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,839 So therefore, it goes down to your ability 1273 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,479 to talk somebody into employing you 1274 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,719 or convincing them that they should employ you 1275 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,039 over and above anybody else. 1276 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,799 -I'm better than him. 1277 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,319 He'll do it. I'll do it. 1278 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,199 No, he, i-oh, no. Don't use him. 1279 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,119 He's-he's not reliable. 1280 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,559 -Yeah. You'd get up in the morning 1281 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:04,999 and everybody else in the business 1282 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,759 is your competitor if you're not working. 1283 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,519 [Ray Winstone] No matter how you look at it, 1284 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,399 in the whole history of British stunt work, 1285 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,079 there's really only one name that sums up the guts, 1286 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,399 ingenuity, outlandishness, 1287 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,839 the sheer swagger of our homegrown term. 1288 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,119 And that name is 1289 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,160 -bond. 1290 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,799 James Bond. 1291 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,399 -Everyone wants to work on a 007 film. 1292 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,399 I think all performers would love to work on a 007 film. 1293 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,919 -007 is the epitome of a stunt film 1294 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,079 for an act-for a stuntman. 1295 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,359 I've gone all over the world. 1296 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,359 I worked in 70 countries. 1297 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,719 Knowing you got a 007, "oh, my god," 1298 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,439 they'd like genuflect in front of you. 1299 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,639 You know, it is the holy grail of stunts. 1300 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,519 -It's the one film in this country 1301 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,719 that says stuntman, 1302 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,359 you know, right back from the beginning. 1303 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,639 You know, when I used to go down, 1304 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,559 I was a kid, it was always stuntmen. 1305 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,519 -In the old days, um, meant weeks of work 1306 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,359 prepping, because there was no postproduction. 1307 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,919 So everything was done in camera. And 1308 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,279 we prepped and we prepped, and we prepped to move, 1309 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,959 and we rehearsed up in the band room 1310 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,279 at pinewood. 1311 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,639 We used to have trampolines and various things up there. 1312 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,319 And-and we'd work out what the gags were, whether it was... 1313 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,679 Bob, I mean, Bob Simmons, 1314 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,479 who was the coordinator on those early ones 1315 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,839 that we used to work on. And 1316 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,239 Bob would just say, "oh, yeah, that's right. 1317 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,919 Love it. Yeah, that'll work. Yeah. 1318 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,759 Go on. Carry on. Do your thing." 1319 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,239 And alf joined to be teaching us 1320 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,679 how to do things a little bit more seriously, and all that, 1321 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,199 and Bob would be just coming up and supervising. 1322 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,279 And-and, uh, if there was a bit of sword work, 1323 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,319 Bob Anderson would be there teaching us, 1324 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,559 you know, a little bit of that. 1325 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,599 And we just spent weeks there. And they were great. 1326 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,199 I mean, they were just fantastic. 1327 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,199 They were, um, uh-uh, just endless weeks of rehearsal 1328 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,279 to get it right. 1329 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,479 But woe betide, if you got on there, 1330 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,479 and then you didn't get it right because you... 1331 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,879 They'd paid for a few weeks of rehearsal time, 1332 01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,999 and you better make damn sure you're actually ready 1333 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,639 to put it on-on camera. 1334 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:03,959 -[Indistinct] Done the fall. 1335 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,559 [Bomb exploding] 1336 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:07,879 [Water splashing] 1337 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,959 All the submarines, I think I got killed about seven times 1338 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,839 in different outfits in the same scene on that. 1339 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,759 -I did a lot of stuff for Roger in India, 1340 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,679 running through the jungle, swinging on the rope. 1341 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,720 [Rapid gunshots] 1342 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:24,599 [Man] Aw. 1343 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,599 -Um, we jumped a three... Two-Wheeler, 1344 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,639 three-Wheeler over a camel. 1345 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,040 [Roger] Hang on, James. 1346 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,720 [Car engine speeding] 1347 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,159 -I was in the back of that 1348 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,639 doubling for Roger, running through the streets for him; 1349 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,439 there was lots of running around 1350 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,879 because he couldn't run very well. 1351 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,279 So I did most of that running around. 1352 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,040 As it happened, the phone went. 1353 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,039 Vic Armstrong, Barbados, Bahamas: 1354 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,879 "Rocky, yeah, can you fly out tomorrow?" 1355 01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:58,919 "Where to?" 1356 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,239 "To The Bahamas." 1357 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,079 And I thought, "well, funny enough, 1358 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,199 I've just been sacked." 1359 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,119 "So, what kind? 1360 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,679 What for?" He said, "you're doubling for Sean." 1361 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,039 And there was a scene 1362 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,960 where he comes crashing through the window 1363 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,639 [wooded window clattering] 1364 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,319 And he strangles me 'round the neck 1365 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,759 -♪ [indistinct] ♪ 1366 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,879 ♪ I know there's danger there ♪ 1367 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,919 -With a rope. 1368 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,759 I think I got killed five times. 1369 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,239 In the op... It's the opening title sequences 1370 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,319 of never say never. 1371 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,159 I think I got killed five times. 1372 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,039 -♪ I know there's danger there ♪ 1373 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,119 [Rapid gunshots] 1374 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,599 - [Punch thrown] - [Man grunts] 1375 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,080 [Man thuds] 1376 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,719 -Doubling for Roger, you know, 1377 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,799 running along the route up, the train top on octopussy, 1378 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,199 and ducking under Bridges and diving over pipes. 1379 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,239 [Gunshot] 1380 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,679 [Roger grunts] - They were such fun 1381 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,399 because Roger Moore was just a giggle. 1382 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,199 I never, I didn't... I worked on one of the Connery ones 1383 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,079 as an armorer, but not as a stuntman, 1384 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,799 but you know, with-with-with Roger Moore, he was a giggle. 1385 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,679 I mean, he would just, he-he he was a practical joker. 1386 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,279 And, uh, it was fun. 1387 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,359 Weeks and weeks and weeks of work, 1388 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,079 and then we'd be on the big set for the exp... you know, 1389 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,759 the villain's lair exploding and all that kind of stuff, 1390 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,159 and when we did the, 1391 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,359 we did the, uh, the submarine set, 1392 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,839 which is what the 007 stage was built for, 1393 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,680 for the spy who loved me. 1394 01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,640 [Rapid gunshots] 1395 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,239 And then, some of us are doing 1396 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,399 falls into the water, or things, 1397 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,479 and-and rocky did a gag on that 1398 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,079 where he drives a mini moke off the edge into the water. 1399 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,879 [Car exploded] 1400 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,759 - [Man screams] - [Water splashing] 1401 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,839 -You know, it was freezing cold. 1402 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,199 I did one fall into the water 1403 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,999 and [indistinct] did a stair fall, 1404 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,479 and all that kind of stuff, but, you know, it was all 1405 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,319 part of the game. They were just such fun. 1406 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,839 -And now, you know, my street cred's really gone up. 1407 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:03,879 I've done two bonds now, 1408 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,159 doubling for the lead in... in one. 1409 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,920 [Crash] 1410 01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,719 And then, pretty soon after that, live and let die, 1411 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,239 doubled Roger on the fight 1412 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,400 with the [indistinct] in the shark pen. 1413 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,919 [Hinges creaking] 1414 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:23,959 -Hold up. 1415 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,199 - [Kick thrown] - [Man grunts] 1416 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,639 [Body thuds] 1417 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,959 -Now, I got three under my belt and suddenly, 1418 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,759 you start to get into the premier league, you know. 1419 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,119 And there weren't many stunt people around in those days, 1420 01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,439 and I was one of the few young ones. 1421 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,999 Uh, the youngest, 1422 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,959 I think rocky's a little bit older than me, 1423 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,439 but I'd started just before him. 1424 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,439 Rocky, me, Mark boyle, Martin grace, 1425 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,159 Tim condren, bill Weston, 1426 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,279 we were the sort of newcomers in those days, 1427 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,599 and, uh, and I had three bonds under my belt, you know, 1428 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,839 plus doubling for the lead in two of them, so, 1429 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,439 you know, you have street credit and obviously, you work it 1430 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,039 and sell it as much as you can, you know. 1431 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,159 [Laughs] 1432 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,679 -Octopussy, I had a part in that as... as, 1433 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,239 um, Steven berkoff's driver. 1434 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,439 [Car engine revving] 1435 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,199 His character was called orlov, and I was orlov's driver. 1436 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,079 And I get shot by bond and do a stair fall. 1437 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,120 [Rapid gunshots] 1438 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,599 -It was a great, great crew to be part of, 1439 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,559 and then to be asked to be the stunt coordinator, 1440 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,919 um, was... was wonderful. 1441 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,839 License to kill, I, um, I-I had an American stunt guy, 1442 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,479 who was... who brought all his equipment 1443 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,799 and he was going to do the big fire burn at the end, 1444 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,439 um, but I was doubling Sanchez on the back of the truck 1445 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,279 and jumping off, uh, uh, off the trucks and things like that. 1446 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,159 [♪♪♪] 1447 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,199 [Punch thrown] 1448 01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,240 [Man groans] 1449 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,199 [Kick thrown] 1450 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:07,480 [Man groans] 1451 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,799 [Man grunts] 1452 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,239 -So, I was dressed as him and I was a good double for him. 1453 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,959 So I was coordinating, and a double for Sanchez. 1454 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,999 And when... the day before we were about to do... 1455 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,639 We turned the truck down and it crashed down the rocks, 1456 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,199 and the day before we were about to do the big burn 1457 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,039 he said, came to me, he said, "if I leave tonight, 1458 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:36,279 I can get a job for two months, but I have to leave tonight." 1459 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,319 I said, "okay." 1460 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,879 Well, you know, I know what it's like 1461 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,359 when you've got one day's work 1462 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,199 and... and it stops you doing a-a-a few weeks' work. 1463 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,439 So, I said, "okay. You go ahead, leave this stuff here. 1464 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,599 I'll do it myself." 1465 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,479 Fire jobs are very dangerous, um, you know. 1466 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,159 You can't run away from fire. 1467 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,799 You-you have to rehearse, 1468 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,359 let them know exactly what you're gonna do, 1469 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,159 and then when you've had enough, you lay flat on the phone... 1470 01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,839 On the floor, with your arms outstretched, 1471 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,599 and you don't move, um, 1472 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,679 because they can't catch you if you run. 1473 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,039 Um, so you may be burning but you lay still 1474 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,239 while you're burning, and then they come and put you out. 1475 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,159 So, this was a-a tricky job because, uh, 1476 01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,799 I was going to be on fire 1477 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,439 for I thought about 30 seconds, which is long. 1478 01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:22,599 It's a long time. 1479 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,799 So, I was on three minutes of air. 1480 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,719 So you get a little air bottle you put down in your costume 1481 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,199 and you have a tube going up 1482 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,119 underneath the mask into your mouth. 1483 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,279 So I figured that it'll take me a minute and a half 1484 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:41,159 to get onto the set, um, and probably a-a minute for them 1485 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,839 to do the wig and... 1486 01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,239 Hairdressers... they want every, you know, get it dead right. 1487 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,439 And so I said, 1488 01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:54,279 "I'm going to have probably, um, two and a half minutes 1489 01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,599 before I-I-I do the job." 1490 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,719 And just 130 seconds at the end of it, 1491 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,959 to be, to be got out. 1492 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,399 So, I got on the set, I got... 1493 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:04,959 [clears throat] A minute and a half, 1494 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,639 they're messing around, so they then gel me up, 1495 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:12,999 and they say, "okay, stand by," and I'm on there [inhaling] 1496 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,959 I figured I'd have done about a minute and a half, 1497 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,239 just over [clears throat] 1498 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:21,599 And he said, "turn over, and... Hold on, hold on, hold it. 1499 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,799 Problem with the camera." 1500 01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,759 So, i'm, [inhaling] "Sure. Hurry up, hurry up." 1501 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,319 Timothy Dalton sitting opposite me, 1502 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,479 and he's got to pretend to light me 1503 01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:32,279 and then run when I catch on fire. 1504 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,279 So, we're standing now, and I'm going [inhales] 1505 01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,759 "Come on, come on," and he said, "okay, and action." 1506 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,599 [Bond breathing heavily] 1507 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,519 -You could have had everything. 1508 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,160 -Don't you want to know why? 1509 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,240 -He set me alight, boof, I go up. 1510 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,160 And as I go up, I go, [Blowing] Nothing. 1511 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:08,240 So I think, "don't panic." 1512 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,399 It was like sucking up treacle. 1513 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,719 It was like [inhaling] 1514 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,279 "See, if you can just blow the tube, clear the tube..." 1515 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,199 so I blew the tube, and [inhales] I had air. 1516 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,080 So then I could do the job. 1517 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,879 So I-I was on fire. I couldn't see anything. 1518 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,759 But I'd rehearsed with the boys 1519 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,199 I would fall down onto my knees, 1520 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,600 get up, move forward, feel the side of the truck. 1521 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,839 Then on the floor, 1522 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,680 I had rocks so I could feel it with my feet. 1523 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,960 And I could get in position and then fall over. 1524 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,039 I was out of air. 1525 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,440 When I hit the floor, I was out of air. 1526 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,159 And then they were putting the flame bars up behind me, 1527 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,280 and it was like the whole place blew up. 1528 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,639 Lucky enough they came in very quickly, 1529 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,999 and took the mask off and I was 1530 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,359 but when I stood up and they're shaking my hand and saying, 1531 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:21,679 "oh great, shot, wonderful." 1532 01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,559 That's when I was burning. 1533 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,319 The hand... heat transference through the costume. 1534 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,679 The first costume had gone, 1535 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,479 the fire suit had been burned all the way up the back, 1536 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,919 but the heat transference going through the costume 1537 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,439 was suddenly on me, I was going 1538 01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:39,039 [groaning] 1539 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,999 But I was... I was feeling the heat then. 1540 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,719 -And the highlight of bond for me is being a ninja in 1966, 1541 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,559 and it's 65 quid a week, to 1542 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,279 the last bond I did, which is die another day, 1543 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,399 I think the boat chase and all that stuff. 1544 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,319 Spending, you know, 15-20 mill, whatever it was, 1545 01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,759 millions of dollars and pounds, 1546 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,319 doing that boat chase, and it was all the other chases, 1547 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,279 and coming up with ideas and directing it 1548 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,359 and, you know, editing it with the editors 1549 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,199 and inventing it. 1550 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,799 I'm very, very proud of that, you know. 1551 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,280 So they're the highlights. 1552 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,039 -There... there are some hairy ones you do. But 1553 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,999 you've given yourself to the industry. 1554 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,919 -It scares the life out of you a lot of times. 1555 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,759 You know, I did a hundred-foot fall for 1556 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,560 Mark boyle on the final conflict. 1557 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,519 [♪♪♪] 1558 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,200 [Horse galloping] 1559 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,440 [Horse neighing] 1560 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,519 And you're standing there on the viaduct 1561 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,559 looking down, and the airbag looks about this big, 1562 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,719 and you know you're gonna be doing, you know, 1563 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,519 70, 80 miles an hour when you hit it. 1564 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,039 You better be in the right position, 1565 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,919 but you also got to look like a falling body. 1566 01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,319 You can't be a swan diver you know 1567 01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,120 [horse neighing] 1568 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,519 [Man screaming] 1569 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,159 [Water splashing] 1570 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:09,839 -I think, "Whoo, why am I doing this?" 1571 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,039 [Laughs] 1572 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,799 -If you've got any sense, there's fear. 1573 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,959 The stuntmen, or so-called stuntmen who say, 1574 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,919 "I'm fearless, I will do anything," 1575 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,879 and they're not worried about it, 1576 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,879 they're the ones that you want to stay away from, 1577 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,039 and don't do stunts with. 1578 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,759 You don't say, "I'm fearless." 1579 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,279 You stand on the edge, you look at it, 1580 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,159 you check everything out before you do it. 1581 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,959 -Fear. Fear is... is the edge 1582 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,359 that's... that's about judgment and everything. 1583 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,719 And it's a question of-of channeling that, 1584 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,799 to do that and not being overwhelmed by the fear. 1585 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,999 Because the moment you get overwhelmed by the fear, 1586 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,839 you're... you're... You're knackered. 1587 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,839 Your sphincter is going half-crown, sixpence 1588 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,799 every time any of us work if it's a tricky job. 1589 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,399 But you... you over... You overcome that, 1590 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,839 or you learn to say no. 1591 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,119 But if you learn to say no more than two or three times, 1592 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,799 when there's no good reason for it, 1593 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,079 then you kind of go, 1594 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,959 "mm. Okay, well, I don't think... I'd rather not be 1595 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,679 put in the position where I've got him on the set 1596 01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,919 and he's gonna say no, so I won't use him." 1597 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,039 And then they kind of 1598 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,719 you don't see them very much after that. 1599 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,439 But I wouldn't ridicule anybody 1600 01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,359 who admits that his time has come 1601 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,039 or that his bottle is not what it was. 1602 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,759 -You've got to be conscious of fear. 1603 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,159 You got to be aware of it. 1604 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,999 Otherwise, you're gonna hurt someone, 1605 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,439 someone's going to get hurt badly. 1606 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:31,079 -The most important thing is that you do it yourself. 1607 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,319 Your... you're number one, 1608 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,679 and you go out and you know the risks. 1609 01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,559 And the risks are, you're going to get hurt. 1610 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,359 -The director's got his way, 1611 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,879 he's got his film he wants to make. 1612 01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,479 He obviously wants to make the best film 1613 01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:42,759 that ever has been done. 1614 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,719 He gets hold of the first assistant, 1615 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,519 the art department, gets them all there. 1616 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:47,759 He wants the greatest sets. 1617 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,999 He wants to, you know, a-a stunt coordinator to come in, 1618 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,399 and give him the best, most spectacular stunts. 1619 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,399 You know, and... and... and which we all want to try and do. 1620 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,559 But sometimes you have to, you know, 1621 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,799 he has to bend a little way to-to make that work. 1622 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,719 They've got to look after us like we want to look after them. 1623 01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,039 [Ray Winstone] One director, who, it could be said, 1624 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:15,039 did not look after his crew, was this chap. Michael winner. 1625 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,399 -I'm just wondering whether you're a little insensitive. 1626 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,239 -I don't see anything wrong today 1627 01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,999 in showing what goes on in life. It was not done. 1628 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,599 -But it isn't like that in life. 1629 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,399 I'm sorry, Mr. Winner. - No, you don't know. 1630 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,159 - It just isn't. - You've never been raped. 1631 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,439 -Have you ever asked me? 1632 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:30,559 -Well, [chuckles] Have you been raped? 1633 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,439 -Never liked him. He was a horrible man. 1634 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:35,239 -He got his stuff done but he used to terrorize people. 1635 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,159 -Michael was probably the only one 1636 01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,679 that I diss in my book. [Laughs] 1637 01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,519 Yeah, I did have a run-in with him on the big sleep. 1638 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,279 He was doing things which only a bully would do. 1639 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,359 -I used to see him on the set. 1640 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,679 And he used to have this 15-, 16-year-old, 1641 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,439 learning to be in the industry boy. 1642 01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:57,799 And he used to click his fingers. 1643 01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,959 [Snaps fingers] That was for a script. 1644 01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,079 [Fingers snapping twice] That was for a cigar. 1645 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,559 [Fingers snapping thrice] That's for a light. 1646 01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,959 And it was just pathetic to see it. 1647 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,919 -I mean, a lot of people like him for what he is, 1648 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,119 but he is... he was rude. 1649 01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,639 -I was doing a film called revolution 1650 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,159 with Eddie Stacy, 1651 01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,519 and we came back from cornwall somewhere 1652 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,480 or down in Plymouth; Plymouth. 1653 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,079 And I had a phone call from Mark boyle to come down, 1654 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,680 on a film called death wish 3. 1655 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,000 -You're letting me loose? 1656 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,279 -I'm letting you loose. 1657 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,479 [Yelling] 1658 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:37,520 [Rapid gunshots] 1659 01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,399 -And I'm on it for about two weeks, 1660 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,319 I think; Odd days here and odd days there. 1661 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,359 [♪♪♪] 1662 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,759 And driving a motorbike, 1663 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,199 I had to drive a motorbike, crashed it, as I said, 1664 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,159 done bits and pieces. 1665 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,999 Got shot, went down some stairs, got on fire. 1666 01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,879 All different gags that were in the film. 1667 01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,519 One shot where I come 1668 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,839 tearing down a road and they put a wire across, 1669 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,799 take me off the bike, the bike crashes and all that. 1670 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,039 All that was going on. 1671 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,839 And then I walk in one day, Michael winner and Mark boyle 1672 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,279 standing there looking at this building to the left. 1673 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,759 And I could hear Michael winner say, 1674 01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,599 "he'll do it. Rocky." 1675 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,159 I went, "what?" He said, "yeah. 1676 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,759 We want someone to come off of that building. 1677 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,839 It's on fire, and we need someone to jump." 1678 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,199 Yeah. 1679 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,079 I'm... "sure. I'll have a go at it." 1680 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,839 I didn't know that two people had turned it down 1681 01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,159 before... before I went up. 1682 01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,479 So, I go up with Mark boyle, up to the roof, 1683 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,279 and look 'round, look down. 1684 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,639 He said, "we'll put boxes down there, put a car, dig a hole, 1685 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,999 put the boxes there. 1686 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,279 We'll hide the camera behind the car. 1687 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,799 You'll be over there. 1688 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,079 Flames come up. 1689 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,359 You'll come to the edge of the building. 1690 01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,599 And the flames go up. 1691 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,919 As you jump, the flames go up behind you. 1692 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,319 It engulfs." 1693 01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,359 "I mean, yeah. 1694 01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,559 Sounds fine to me." 1695 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,239 -Winner's on one of his bad days, 1696 01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,199 uh, and rocky's up there. 1697 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,919 Johnny Evans, special effects. 1698 01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:25,919 Um, and John always does what the director says. 1699 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,079 If he says, turn up... Turn up the flames," 1700 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,199 John would turn up the flames. 1701 01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,359 -I'm standing there, and I could hear, 1702 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:34,400 "turn over." 1703 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,000 I turn over. "Light the building." 1704 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,520 They lit the building. 1705 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,959 And before I knew where I was, 1706 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,839 the building wasn't just a little bit aflame. 1707 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,080 It was 17 feet, 20 feet high. 1708 01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:56,919 The flames just come up like a bomb; It blew up. 1709 01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,479 Winner flicked up the switch. I'll never forget it. 1710 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,479 -And all I could hear was winner going, 1711 01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:04,719 "rocky, where are you? Rocky? 1712 01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,119 Come on, rocky. Where's rocky?" 1713 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,879 I gotta... I gotta go. 1714 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,519 I know... I know that over there where the boxes are. 1715 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:13,559 They're over there. 1716 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,079 If I can get through them flames, and drop, 1717 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,919 I could land on the boxes, and hopefully, 1718 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,759 everything will be alright. 1719 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,080 But it was very, very, very hot. 1720 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,159 So I put my hands to my face, 1721 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,400 I covered my face. 1722 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,040 And I ran to the wall. 1723 01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:56,719 Coming down, I could see it was a foot away 1724 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,560 the edge of the boxes. 1725 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,840 [♪♪♪] 1726 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,799 -If he hadn't of pushed off as hard 1727 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,039 he'd have made the rig, totally. 1728 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,159 But because he... 1729 01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,559 To get through the flame, he pushed that bit harder, 1730 01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,439 half of him went into the rig and the other half stayed out. 1731 01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:20,599 So he split himself in two. 1732 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,999 And it didn't need to happen, 1733 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,159 but it didn't need the flames put up any more. 1734 01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,759 [Rocky Taylor] I broke my pelvis, 1735 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,239 my back, I have a burnt... 1736 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,280 My face is all blistered, my hands are all blistered. 1737 01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,279 So, I was in traction for, uh, for three weeks 1738 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,319 where they had to put a bolt through here, 1739 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,199 and a wire coming up here. 1740 01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,039 And pull this bit every day, with weights on, 1741 01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,999 pulling it down, to get it level. 1742 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,839 Mr. Winner then came into the hospital, 1743 01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,679 followed by five or six newspapers. 1744 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,519 He laid next to me. 1745 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,479 And he whispered in my ear, 1746 01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:09,839 "don't think you can sue me, rocky, 1747 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,799 because you can't get away with it." 1748 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,999 And he's got people taking photographs of him 1749 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,239 lying next to me, cuddling me, saying 1750 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,359 what a wonderful man I was and all that. 1751 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,159 I'm now, you know, 40 years of age, 1752 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,639 just had a terrible accident at the peak of my career. 1753 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:27,840 Gone. 1754 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,079 And it... it ruined, you know, 1755 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,960 that film ruined my life completely. 1756 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,959 -I've done some heavy stunts on the movies. 1757 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,199 I've... I've coordinated 1758 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,159 and there've been very little accidents if any. 1759 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:49,639 The only one that we did have was with Richard hammatt was, 1760 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,239 I had him doubling for Superman on Superman III. 1761 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,839 And we had a Russian swing. 1762 01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:03,399 -I was playing, um, Clark Kent, and it was an evil Superman. 1763 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,479 Christopher was the evil Superman. 1764 01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:06,520 [Kent] Aw, aw. 1765 01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,239 [Superman] Come on, chicken! 1766 01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,519 I'm gonna get you. 1767 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,079 Been on my nerves for a long time. 1768 01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,519 [Kent grunts] 1769 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,240 -He throws me in the car crusher. 1770 01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,039 -You always wanted to fly, Kent. 1771 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,679 Now's your chance. 1772 01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:23,919 -O-On the Russian swing, 1773 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,039 you... you have somebody behind you on this like a seesaw 1774 01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,559 and you stand on one end. 1775 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,799 And when you get to your height, 1776 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,799 where... to the trajectory you want, 1777 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,200 then you go off and you get flown 35 feet, 40 feet. 1778 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,359 He just slightly mistimed it, 1779 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,199 and went straight up, and came straight down. 1780 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,639 -I was turned to look down, 1781 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,199 I'm on... There's a stack of cars, 1782 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,199 all these American cars in a stack, 1783 01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:53,959 and the airbag's a bit further out 1784 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,639 because I'd gone higher up. I went... 1785 01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,199 "I'm not going to reach the airbag." 1786 01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:03,199 So I turned, and as I started to go over onto my back, 1787 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,399 I thought, "I'm not going to get right on the bag, 1788 01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,639 I'm gonna lose kind of catch my head, 1789 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,439 I'll be on the edge of the bag." 1790 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:12,079 So, I came down between the bag and the cars 1791 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,599 and took it on this shoulder. 1792 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,999 It snapped all the ribs off on this side. 1793 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,319 They went through the lung, punctured the lung, 1794 01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,759 and I had to get rid of the blood in the... in the lung. 1795 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,279 So [laughs] my... my face is like that. 1796 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,519 That's what the doctor was doing. 1797 01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,119 Anyway, I did. 1798 01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,799 I got to discharge myself out of hospital and 1799 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,360 I was back at work. 1800 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:41,119 -We were filming in Greece for Pete brayham, sky riders, 1801 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,639 it was called sky riders. 1802 01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,680 [Lively music] 1803 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,199 And what occurred is, they were going to do one explosion 1804 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,559 what came out about 60 feet there and land there, 1805 01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,199 and we were going to run forward, 1806 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,519 and the second one would come and explode over us. 1807 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,679 [Suspenseful music] 1808 01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,720 [Bomb exploded] 1809 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:22,519 But this first explosion went over our heads 1810 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,199 and it landed on the crew. 1811 01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,519 I think 13 of them got burned. 1812 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,999 But the... I think he... He was the boom operator, 1813 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,679 quite a big guy. 1814 01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:32,959 He was the most burnt. 1815 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,479 So I ran after him and I got him, and it was all alight here, 1816 01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:39,959 and I've lived with this ever [Indistinct] in my life, 1817 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,439 and we all had shorts on. 1818 01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:42,559 And this is all alight. 1819 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,759 So I tried to tear it off. 1820 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:45,919 I started jumping on him 1821 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,519 and trying to get him on the ground. 1822 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,159 And I've lived with it the rest of my life. 1823 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,439 I didn't save him. 1824 01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:55,559 Then I think the producer got him on the ground. 1825 01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,599 But he died five days later. 1826 01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,439 And it's come back to the same point. 1827 01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:03,679 You live with your mistakes. 1828 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,599 And you arch yourself to your mistakes 1829 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,959 and... and there... there it is. 1830 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,119 -I hate it. I don't like it. 1831 01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,799 I have to be responsible, it's my job. 1832 01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,359 But I worry about them, 1833 01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,359 you know, but we've got a job to do. 1834 01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,359 And I need them to, you know, fall over as hard as possible 1835 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,919 to look like they've been shot or blown up, you know, 1836 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,079 but it's not a... you know, I have to sign off on that, 1837 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,959 and I really... I've been hurt. 1838 01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,359 And I know at some stages, they are going to get a knock 1839 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:31,879 or bruise or whatever. 1840 01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,079 But to be responsible for that, it's not very nice. 1841 01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,599 Um, you know, I've had one serious injury on a film, 1842 01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,559 and I would really never want to do that again. 1843 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,799 You know, it's... it's not a nice feeling at all, 1844 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,559 because it lives with you forever. 1845 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,879 And I had a really hard time for months and months 1846 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,799 after that injury that they sustained. 1847 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,159 But, you know, uh, that was... That was the name of the game 1848 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,759 and that's what we all signed up to do, you know. 1849 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,359 No one put a gun to my head or his head, 1850 01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,599 to do what he done, and he... David willingly done it. 1851 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,599 Unfortunately, it didn't work out that well, 1852 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,279 and poor David's ended up in a wheelchair 1853 01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:07,879 for the rest of his life. 1854 01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,119 Um, and I sort of carry that guilt that I was the one 1855 01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:16,360 who said "action" on that... On that particular rehearsal. 1856 01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,959 [Ray Winstone] Greg was the stunt coordinator 1857 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,159 on all the Harry Potter films. 1858 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,439 During rehearsal on the final film, 1859 01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:26,279 Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double, 1860 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,519 David Holmes, 1861 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:31,279 sustained an injury with a devastating result. 1862 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,279 -He just did a jerk-back, you know, 1863 01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,559 which we've done that... On Harry Potter, 1864 01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,719 every day was there a jerk-back, you know, wand 1865 01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,959 you know, expelliarmus, 1866 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,119 a flick and a swish, stuff like that. 1867 01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,639 It was a jerk-back, you know, that he just landed wrong on. 1868 01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,559 It's just... it's just one of those things that happens. 1869 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,679 You don't want it to happen at all. 1870 01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,479 Not even if you had a worst enemy, 1871 01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:55,999 you wouldn't want that to happen. 1872 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,639 And especially to David who i... 1873 01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,599 He'd come into it as a kid like I did, 1874 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,639 doing it, and then I brought him in on Potter, 1875 01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,959 of course he doubled for Daniel Radcliffe, 1876 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,280 and poor sod ended up in a wheelchair. 1877 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:14,999 -Do you stop shooting, or do you carry on? 1878 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,359 Everyone straight away, you say no, 1879 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,159 we can't carry on or whatever. 1880 01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,199 But you have to. 1881 01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,959 There's no there's nothing you can do for him. 1882 01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,759 There's nothing, you... you know, 1883 01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,359 everything's being done for him. 1884 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,399 You may feel, you know, that out of respect or whatever, 1885 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,999 you w... you wouldn't want to carry on, 1886 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,879 but the producers are right, you know. 1887 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,519 You've just got to get back in there 1888 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,879 and do it and then you just carry on. Um 1889 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,239 I'm sure... with fatalities that happen around the world, 1890 01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,879 I'm sure, you know, it must affect the crew very badly. 1891 01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,719 But what do you do? Where do you... you know? 1892 01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,719 Do you stop or do you... 1893 01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,639 And how long do you stop for, you know? 1894 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,039 It's... it's far better to just carry on with your job 1895 01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,840 and knowing that they're being taken care of. 1896 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,519 -The low parts have been away from the family. 1897 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,159 The family pay for it. 1898 01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,759 -I missed the kids because I was traveling a lot. 1899 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,319 When in the early days, you just went where the money was 1900 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,879 or where the work was. 1901 01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:18,719 So yeah, you know, they... I think they missed me as well, 1902 01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,639 as much as I missed them. 1903 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,159 But in those days, you-you... That's where the money was. 1904 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,239 That's where the work was, so. 1905 01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,919 -I think they knew that it's my job 1906 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,199 and I'm a professional and I know what I'm doing, hopefully. 1907 01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,439 So they had confidence in me, i'm sure 1908 01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:38,319 but it's like someone driving a lorry, 1909 01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,599 "dad, be careful today," you know 1910 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,440 I'm sure they did worry. But, uh 1911 01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:47,839 where are we now? 1912 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,760 [Laughs] 1913 01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,319 -So, they're the worst things of it, 1914 01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,799 I think, not seeing your kids and everything else. 1915 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,759 You see them, you know, the best you can and everything else. 1916 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,280 And there's obviously... That's the worst thing, yeah. 1917 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,079 -So I think the industry's changed an awful lot, 1918 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,439 an awful lot. 1919 01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:13,359 And a lot of the craft is gone, because most of the stunts now 1920 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:14,599 are done on the green screen. 1921 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,479 You can do it and get away with it. 1922 01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:20,399 -Everything's different now, uh, uh, you know, the 1923 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,719 you-you-you're working on sets 1924 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,359 while I'm not there maybe, you know. 1925 01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,559 You're riding horses that you're sitting on a box. 1926 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:27,879 They can put the horse on after. 1927 01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,239 It's... it's, you know, it's as simple as that. 1928 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,319 You could be driving a car at a hundred mile an hour in a chase, 1929 01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:34,519 or the actor can. 1930 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,159 He's... he's not doing it, but they put him in there, 1931 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:38,199 or put the car 'round... 1932 01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:39,799 It's... it's amazing what they do today. 1933 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,679 -You could do the greatest stunt in the world, 1934 01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,839 and people think, "oh, yeah, it was missing cg. 1935 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:44,999 That was, uh, you know." 1936 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,559 And yet they see a cg thing and go, 1937 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,399 "oh, you were fantastic." And then, "yeah." 1938 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,279 You put the costume on and walked into the shot 1939 01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,519 and the rest is all cg. 1940 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,799 You know, it's, uh, i-it is depressing. 1941 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,679 But i... you know, everything goes round in a circle, 1942 01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,759 certainly in the film game. 1943 01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,039 And you can't knock cg. 1944 01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:05,319 I think you can just knock the people that use it too much, 1945 01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:06,599 overuse it and abuse it, 1946 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,319 but it is a wonderful thing and it's the type of films 1947 01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,639 people want to go and see. 1948 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,719 -I'm not knocking cgi, because they do a very good job. 1949 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:14,919 I mean, you've got marvel, 1950 01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,119 you've got DC doing all this stuff. 1951 01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,159 I mean, good stuff, great stuff. 1952 01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,319 But I think the live action 1953 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,960 beats any of that stuff hands down, personally. 1954 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,279 -Nowadays, you get specialists in to do the jobs. 1955 01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,439 I... fast and furious, 1956 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:34,519 I worked on fast and furious, which was great. 1957 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,759 I mean, any... Any stuntman in the world 1958 01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,919 want to work on fast and furious. 1959 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,239 And when I got the opportunity 1960 01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,879 through Greg to work on it, I was over the moon. 1961 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,079 Unfortunately, I didn't get into the position 1962 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,519 doing the fast-driving stuff, 1963 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:54,519 because he got specialists in, which was a bit downer for me 1964 01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,279 and a bit downer for some of the boys 1965 01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:57,839 because we could all drive. 1966 01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,599 I can drive as well as them. 1967 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,559 But he wanted rally drivers 1968 01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,199 and people that do it for a living, 1969 01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,959 which is understandable. 1970 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,320 But a bit of a kick up the old balls for us, you know. 1971 01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,599 -When I started, you... you were characters. 1972 01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:20,039 You were brought in from extras, 1973 01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,239 and if you were able to do something that was great. 1974 01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,079 Then you do stair falls, then you start doing stunts. 1975 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:31,079 Um, but we weren't necessarily trained in anything particular. 1976 01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,919 So, we learned to do those sorts of things. 1977 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,639 And we, and... got away with it all these years. 1978 01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,719 I wouldn't have got in today in what they do. 1979 01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,479 Uh, um, none of the earlier stunt guys would have done. 1980 01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:47,199 They... they are just tremendous athletes. 1981 01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:52,159 They have really perfected the art of-of stunting. 1982 01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,759 -They're a lot different now, you know. 1983 01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,479 Lot of... Different type of people. 1984 01:31:57,480 --> 01:31:59,639 The guys that are coming in today, 1985 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:03,199 a lot smaller in stature because there's the big guys 1986 01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,799 struggle to get through the, uh, all the gymnastic stuff 1987 01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:07,839 they have to do 1988 01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,639 because physically not... It's hard work for them. 1989 01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,760 Uh younger 1990 01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:17,359 I don't think some of them necessarily 1991 01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,719 think about the stunt work so much. 1992 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,159 I think they like the money, 1993 01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,319 which is nice, which is important. 1994 01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,119 But, you know, it's a lot of us on the first 1995 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,559 we just... We all like a pound note, 1996 01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:28,599 and... and we want that, 1997 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,919 but the job's always been important to us. 1998 01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,719 -I do think the characters have disappeared 1999 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:35,799 that were the Ken buckles, 2000 01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,879 Bob Simmons, George leeches 2001 01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,519 absolute... paddy Ryans... 2002 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,039 Absolute incredible natural stunt people. 2003 01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:45,079 -It's not as nice now 2004 01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,719 because there's so much money involved now. 2005 01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,599 You know what I mean? People sit and they're... 2006 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,399 They're doing that at lunchtime in the afternoon. 2007 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,519 Where years ago, you'd be pulling tricks on the guys, 2008 01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:58,999 you'd be doing the three-man lift, 2009 01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,959 you'd be hitting them over the head with spoons, 2010 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,239 throwing wardrobes over each other, tripping them up. 2011 01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,959 It don't happen so much now, and it was a laugh then. 2012 01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,399 [Indistinct] It's... We still have a laugh now. 2013 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,679 But, you know, when you go into the dressing room, 2014 01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,999 everyone used to be gambling or reading the paper, 2015 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,759 or doing some work there. 2016 01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,439 They all sit there now, they're tapping away. 2017 01:33:18,440 --> 01:33:20,279 See how much money they got in their accounts. 2018 01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,319 [Laughs] 2019 01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,559 [Interviewer] What age are you now? 2020 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,439 -What a no-good bastard. 2021 01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:28,999 Er, 82. 2022 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,359 -Seventy-seven. 2023 01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,080 -I'm 72 now. 2024 01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:34,519 -Well, I miss, at my age, 2025 01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,119 being able to do what I could do. 2026 01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:37,599 And when I'm over with my children, 2027 01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:38,879 or my great-grandchildren, 2028 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,559 they say, "oh, granddad, show us what you do." 2029 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,879 Yeah, well, it hurts a little bit now if I do it, you know. 2030 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,399 The bones... I don't want to take that chance, 2031 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,639 wind up with a hip replacement. 2032 01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,399 -I have a lot of... A new pair of knees 2033 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,599 and a new shoulder, so you don't get up, you know. 2034 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,639 You fall over. 2035 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,399 It takes you like ten minutes to get up now. 2036 01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,279 Years ago, I'd do whatever you want, 2037 01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,759 but now that just takes too long, 2038 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,879 and the bruises last a lot longer. 2039 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,239 -And I don't miss performing at all. 2040 01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:06,839 It was a means to an end. 2041 01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:11,959 And again, I had the brains to get out while I was still fit, 2042 01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,719 you know, and I could feel the reactions weren't there 2043 01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,639 on the last crusade. 2044 01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,719 It was there on the last crusade, that I thought, 2045 01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,919 "nah, I've had too many racehorses 2046 01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,520 that you have given one race too many," you know. 2047 01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:26,919 Dave bickers is my guru. 2048 01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,399 Dave bickers, he was one of the smartest people I've ever met 2049 01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:30,519 in the business. 2050 01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,719 I got him into the business; He was a motorcycle racer, 2051 01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,239 and he became my engineer and designer. 2052 01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:36,639 And... and he was one of those guys 2053 01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,879 that had so much common sense. 2054 01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,119 And he said to me when we were rehearsing, 2055 01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:45,439 he said, "Vic, I always want to stop before the last one." 2056 01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:48,519 [Mutters] "What do you mean, stop before the last one?" 2057 01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,079 Then the penny dropped. 2058 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,479 Because it's like, um, it's like that, you know 2059 01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,119 "watch this. I'll just give you one more. 2060 01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,679 You watch this." And that's always the one you hurt yourself on. 2061 01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,039 Of course it's the last one, because you've broken your leg 2062 01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,359 or had a crash or something's gone wrong with it, you know. 2063 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,079 [Laughs] And it made so much sense to me. 2064 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,999 And I've told everybody around the world. 2065 01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,039 You know, you rehearse things, rehearse things. 2066 01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:11,279 "Let's do one more," and, 2067 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,879 "yeah, get ready." You know, you do it. 2068 01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,279 And it's not quite right, and so it's "get ready" again. 2069 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,039 And people are going, "okay," we get ready, 2070 01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,399 and I said, "okay, and that's a wrap. We're not doing it." 2071 01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,319 "What do you mean?" And I was, quote, stopped before the last one. 2072 01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,719 -You don't leave the industry. 2073 01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,799 The industry leaves you. 2074 01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,119 And that's what happens with stuntmen. 2075 01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,959 -The phone never rings anymore. 2076 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,559 I don't mind because as I say, 2077 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,479 I can make money somewhere else, 2078 01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:40,319 or I'll have something else to keep me busy, 2079 01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:41,959 and so forth and so forth. 2080 01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:43,759 So that doesn't ring anymore. 2081 01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,119 -If the phone stops, then you're retired. 2082 01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,760 Well, at the moment, it's only twinkling. It's twinkling. 2083 01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:51,959 That's the problem at the moment. 2084 01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:53,439 The financials. 2085 01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:55,679 Coming in this industry, you know, you get good money, 2086 01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:56,879 and then you're out of work. 2087 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,559 You get good money, you're out of work, 2088 01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,199 you get good money, you're out of work. 2089 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,399 And that's how it's been all my life. 2090 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,479 And people always used to say to me, 2091 01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:06,719 "put some money away for a rainy day, rock." 2092 01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,159 "Yeah. What rainy day?" 2093 01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,719 It never happened, that rainy day, 2094 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,319 and it's started pouring down now. 2095 01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,159 You understand? And it's too late. 2096 01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,919 When it's too late, what do you do? 2097 01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,919 -It's time to live a life now. 2098 01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,399 All that running around all over the world, 2099 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,959 getting paid, was nice, 2100 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,199 I've got to say. 2101 01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,719 But it's a young man's game now, I think. 2102 01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,279 -Why wouldn't you keep going? 2103 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,719 I mean, it's just... it's fun. 2104 01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,919 You're getting paid for playing cowboys and Indians, 2105 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,559 and you're getting paid well, and as long as, you know, 2106 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,239 and-and... if i'm in a zimmer frame one day, 2107 01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,720 and they say, "we want you to do a zimmer frame fall," I'll go, 2108 01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,839 "I'm your boy. I'll have a go at it." 2109 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,119 -In the, um, force awakens, 2110 01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,839 I doubled for, um, Max-Max Von sydow, 2111 01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,159 uh, in the opening sequence when he gets cut in half. 2112 01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,039 [Suspenseful music] 2113 01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:06,439 Uh, skyfall. Spectre and skyfall. 2114 01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:07,559 Um, and since then, 2115 01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:12,759 I've done the mummy with Tom Cruise in London. 2116 01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:18,039 Star wars, um, rogue one, I played a part of 2117 01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,479 the... one of the engineers getting shot. 2118 01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:25,639 - Fire! - [Rapid gunshots] 2119 01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,839 -Transformers: The last knight. 2120 01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,119 I'm in the next star wars, 2121 01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:30,639 I'm just getting blown up in that. 2122 01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,319 But as long as I can do it, 2123 01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,039 and I'm comfortable with it, I'll do it. 2124 01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:38,039 I just... i don't... obviously won't do anything 2125 01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,999 that I think my old body is not capable of doing, 2126 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,199 or it would make me look silly doing, 2127 01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,959 so a little bit dignity in old age is good. 2128 01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,719 -I mean, without, being a stunt performer 2129 01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,119 going into the stunt industry 2130 01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,559 which took me into the film industry, 2131 01:37:55,560 --> 01:38:00,599 I would not be sitting here now as a elderly gentleman, 2132 01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:05,199 director, writer, novelist, producer 2133 01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,399 without the stunt business. 2134 01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,839 The stunt business took me into the industry 2135 01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,999 and gave me every break I ever had. 2136 01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,999 -I met some great people like Wayne, 2137 01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,279 Harrison Ford, Larry Olivier. 2138 01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,319 I enjoyed it. And I'm pleased my son 2139 01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,439 and that maybe my grandson is gonna follow me. 2140 01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:23,319 And I hope they have the fun that I have. 2141 01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,279 -I've got some personal stresses that drive me mad, but 2142 01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,239 I am happy. 2143 01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,479 -I wouldn't change any of it. 2144 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,319 Not one bit. 2145 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,399 -I wish I could do it again. 2146 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,359 I wouldn't change it. 2147 01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:37,999 I'll save some of me money, though. 2148 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,039 [Laughs] 2149 01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,999 -I love the business, and I hate the business, 2150 01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,799 but I love it more than I hate it. 2151 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,759 You know, a great friend of mine, Terry Leonard, 2152 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,159 who used to double Harrison with us on raiders as well, 2153 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,439 he did the stuff under the bus, under the truck, 2154 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:53,959 which I can't claim credit for, he did that. 2155 01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:55,519 But he always used to say to me, 2156 01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,279 "Vic, at the end of this game, business, 2157 01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,679 all you got is memories, friends and eight by tens." 2158 01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:00,759 And he's so right. 2159 01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,319 Eight by tens being the photographs, 2160 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,759 memories and friends. 2161 01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,759 -If I drop dead now and they nail the lid on, 2162 01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,159 all I've got left is the memories 2163 01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,999 and the memories have been absolutely fantastic. 2164 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,799 Because all the, everything around here, 2165 01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,719 the motorbikes and the house and everything, 2166 01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,679 we're just guardians of those things, we don't own those. 2167 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,879 Those have nothing to do with anything really. 2168 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,599 It's what you've seen, what you've done, 2169 01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,079 the people that you've met, the people that you've enjoyed, 2170 01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:24,999 or helped or whatever, 2171 01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,799 it-it-it-it's about the journey. 2172 01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,439 Um, and when the flag, you know, drops and, you know, 2173 01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,239 they put you in the box, 2174 01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:34,759 that's all that's left there. 2175 01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,519 And so, I consider myself extremely fortunate, 2176 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,119 extremely fortunate. 2177 01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,599 And those occasions when I have had near-death experiences, 2178 01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,520 and there've been three or four of them, um 2179 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:53,040 were times when I thought, "well, it is what it is." 2180 01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,319 -[Exhales deeply] I can't believe half of what I done 2181 01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,439 when I look back and I think the situations... 2182 01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:01,159 And-and the things that we just, 2183 01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,479 "yeah, we can do that. Yeah. Okay." 2184 01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:04,519 Unbelievable. 2185 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:05,559 Now I'm very happy, 2186 01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:06,959 I'm very proud of what I've done. 2187 01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,879 [Inhales deeply] Yeah. It's always one more film. 2188 01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:11,959 Just do one more film and then I'll quit, 2189 01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,960 just before the last one [laughs]. 2190 01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:19,399 [Ray Winstone] So, there they are. 2191 01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:23,119 The British bulldogs that took Hollywood by storm. 2192 01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,359 You might not have recognized their faces before, 2193 01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:26,759 but maybe you'll look out for them 2194 01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,119 next time you stick on an old movie. 2195 01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,799 And remember that for every time someone fell, 2196 01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:33,959 jumped, crashed, 2197 01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:38,319 punched, kicked, stabbed, swung or got blown up, 2198 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,799 there was someone like this 2199 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,599 putting themselves on the line for it. 2200 01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,919 And having a bloody good time. 2201 01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,519 ["Houses that you lived in" performed by the family machine] 2202 01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,160 ♪ Houses that you lived in ♪ 2203 01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,080 ♪ remember you today ♪ 2204 01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,880 ♪ the car you drove away in ♪ 2205 01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,520 ♪ you're sad because you changed ♪ 2206 01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:14,080 ♪ oh, don't leave me far behind ♪ 2207 01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:19,800 ♪ this is how you say goodbye ♪ 2208 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,000 ♪ the songs you used to sing her ♪ 2209 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,880 ♪ will never fade away ♪ 2210 01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:39,080 ♪ the fields you walk [indistinct] ♪ 2211 01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,800 ♪ Were aching just to say ♪ 2212 01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:50,720 ♪ oh, don't leave me far behind ♪ 2213 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,799 ♪ you will live and you will die ♪ 2214 01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,039 ♪ it's easy when you make it ♪ 2215 01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,839 ♪ it's easy when you break it ♪ 2216 01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,519 ♪ to leave your [Indistinct] remind ♪ 2217 01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:07,559 ♪ hey ♪ 2218 01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:10,560 ♪ haah ♪ 2219 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:13,919 ♪ hey ♪ 2220 01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,840 ♪ haaah ♪ 2221 01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:20,119 ♪ hey ♪ 2222 01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:23,440 ♪ haaah ♪ 2223 01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,519 ["The stuntman" performed by Pete ivatts] 2224 01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:41,399 ♪ Rough around the edges not known for our looks ♪ 2225 01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,359 ♪ we jump from high ledges ♪ 2226 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,559 ♪ get knocked down by trucks ♪ 2227 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:51,200 ♪ it's a risky old life, but at least it's the life we choose ♪ 2228 01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,479 ♪ you don't see our names up there with the stars ♪ 2229 01:42:57,480 --> 01:42:59,359 ♪ but it says on the screen ♪ 2230 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,719 ♪ when they're crashing their cars ♪ 2231 01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:03,839 ♪ we work hard on the stunts ♪ 2232 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,240 ♪ then we work hard on the booze ♪ 2233 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,679 ♪ they ask the impossible ♪ 2234 01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,999 ♪ put you through hell but you give it a go ♪ 2235 01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,439 ♪ 'cause they're payin' you well ♪ 2236 01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:19,519 ♪ it's dodgy at times ♪ 2237 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,960 ♪ but it's better than nine to five ♪ 2238 01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,599 ♪ we didn't have green screens to fake our effects ♪ 2239 01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,639 ♪ we jumped off of rooftops got blown up in wrecks ♪ 2240 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:39,120 ♪ you had to be fit and put up with a sprain or a break ♪ 2241 01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:43,519 ♪ you work it all out ♪ 2242 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,799 ♪ break it down into bits ♪ 2243 01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,599 ♪ and try to cut out the worst of the risks ♪ 2244 01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:55,040 ♪ and hope you could get it all done in only one take ♪ 2245 01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,559 ♪ we're all independent ♪ 2246 01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:01,639 ♪ we set our own rates ♪ 2247 01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:05,879 ♪ we work for ourselves but we still need our mates ♪ 2248 01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:11,320 ♪ we rely on each other to make sure you come home at night ♪ 2249 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,559 ♪ you're never quite sure how long it'll last ♪ 2250 01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:21,679 ♪ so you work even with both your legs in a cast ♪ 2251 01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:23,599 ♪ old stuntmen don't quit ♪ 2252 01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,640 ♪ just work harder on getting it right ♪ 2253 01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,719 ♪ and when you call time cause your body says no ♪ 2254 01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:38,639 ♪ and there's no fuel left when the green light says go ♪ 2255 01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:42,239 ♪ you can sit in a pub with your mates ♪ 2256 01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,240 ♪ and not have to fight ♪ 2257 01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,639 ♪ yes the stunts can be tough ♪ 2258 01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:54,719 ♪ but a stuntman's life is all right ♪ 2259 01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,760 [♪♪♪] 166604

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