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When you're in the middle of a hurricane,
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you don't really know how you feel.
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But we started feeling
indescribably bad for Janet.
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And the reaction that was starting
to coalesce against her.
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A classless, crass
and deplorable stunt.
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Meanwhile, many are asking
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what happened to the line
that shouldn't be crossed?
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Janet Jackson says
it was all her fault.
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Her flash dance.
Just say, "I'm a trollop."
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If the culture wars could have
a 9/11, it's February 1st, 2004.
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89 million viewers watched.
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Janet Jackson's
R-rated Super Bowl stunt.
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The exposure of
Janet Jackson's breast...
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Janet Jackson...
Janet Jackson...
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Looking into television and the
large amounts of sex and violence
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is an old political trick,
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and there's always a bit
of demagoguery involved.
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There was no equality of punishment.
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I am really sorry.
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She is taking the complete fall
for this.
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It's a Black thing.
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I'm sure you guys are sick
of hearing about it.
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I know I am.
Let's...ask me about something else.
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I'm not so sure they are
sick of hearing about it.
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To see it on that scale
happening to someone like Janet,
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it didn't just happen to her,
it rippled and touched all of us.
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I still don't understand
how hard they came for Janet.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like
to introduce Janet Jackson.
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How you doing?
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If you're a Jackson, you know,
you're born onstage.
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Hey, Janet.
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Is this your first...it isn't
your first time on television?
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Yes.
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Do you ever watch me
when you're home?
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Yes.
Aren't you nice?
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Janet was not a shy person.
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Are you ready to sing
your big number with Randy?
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Yes.
Oh, I can't wait.
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She would come out and do
her little number with Randy.
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Take it away, Janet!
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And she did little Mae West,
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throwing her hips and,
"Come here, lover boy."
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Come on, call your lover boy.
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I say.
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Come here, lover boy.
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You were watching your
older siblings do what they do.
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Janet, congratulations.
That was terrific.
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You can't help but join in, I guess.
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Janet joined the
'Good Times' series.
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Hi.
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We just remember seeing her and
rushing home, can't miss an episode.
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I'm sorry, Mama, I won't
do it again, I promise.
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I think that people forget that
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there just were not that many Black
people on television and, for me,
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as a little girl growing up
in the 1970s and 1980s,
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seeing her as Penny on 'Good Times',
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then seeing her on
'Different Strokes'
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as Willis's girlfriend, then seeing
her on 'Fame', like, come on.
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She was a mirror of me.
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Man, she was going through what
I was going through on television,
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and there was almost no place else
to look.
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I'm Cathy Hughes.
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I'm the founder and chairperson
of Urban One Inc,
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the largest Black-owned
media company in the country.
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The pressure that was on her
had to be very significant.
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White executives
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always, always start
from the premise
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of what is acceptable
to their white audience,
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and, because we have been
brainwashed that white is beautiful,
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you have a pressure that does not
exist for a white female artist.
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There is a double-triple standard
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that she had to live up to
at a very impressionable age.
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In 1984, I got the chance
to interview Janet Jackson.
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She was just starting out, and she
was known for sitcoms at this point.
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She actually said to me, quote,
"I wouldn't mind
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"doing a video with Michael if they
have any parts for chubby girls."
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When you were on 'Good Times',
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there were people telling you,
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constantly talking about
your body image.
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I remember I was getting dressed
for the very, very first episode.
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The wardrobe lady,
while she was dressing me,
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she says, "I have to put bandages
around your chest."
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I immediately thought
as I am isn't good enough.
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And then it was told to me
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the next season I was too heavy,
that I needed to lose weight.
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Donkey. Donk, sometimes, for short.
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That's my nickname that my
family...one of my nicknames, Donk.
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Where does Donk come from?
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You really want to know?
Yeah.
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From a donkey.
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Well, see, now,
seeing we're done with it, yeah.
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My body's shaped like a donkey.
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You've got a body
shaped like a donkey?
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Yeah, I got teased a lot as a kid.
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I got called a lot of names.
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Including Donk?
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Donk, pig, cow,
slaughter hog, horse.
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Ooh, that had to be a lot of laughs.
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Laughs for somebody.
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During those early days, Janet
was a little girl on television,
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but Joe was preparing everyone for
her entre into the music industry
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and being on television
gave her a world of exposure
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that her brothers and sisters
weren't experiencing.
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Having already established herself
as a very gifted actress,
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her name is Janet Jackson.
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# I may be young
but I'm not foolish. #
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She's just released an album.
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Here's Janet Jackson.
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My, you're a pretty young lady.
Gee, thanks.
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Your eyes, are that
your best feature, do you think?
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I don't know.
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There were two albums
in 1982 and '84,
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one called 'Janet Jackson',
the other called 'Dream Street',
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and you can think
of these two albums
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as the Joe Jackson
patriarch albums.
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Marlon produced the song
'You Don't Stand',
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and another song,
'All My Love to You'.
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And all my brothers sing background
on 'You Don't Stand'.
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She is following the business model
that has worked for the Jacksons,
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lo, this last decade, decade and
a half, and none of it really works.
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My father managed me ever since
I was seven years old,
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ever since I started
in this business.
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La Toya and Michael
speak quite harshly
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about your father's control and talk
of one kind of violence or another.
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Was he rough on you?
No.
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Being African-American,
we always use the word 'beat'
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but it's not...it's getting
a spanking is what it really is.
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Did it go too far, though?
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With my father?
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No, not that I know of, not at all.
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It was never something
that we didn't deserve.
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At the point that I met her,
she was ready to bust out.
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She was transitioning from
a shy little girl into womanhood...
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..who wanted to take control, she
wanted to be the CEO of her life.
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When I was about 14, I signed
my first recording contract.
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Yeah, 14.
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Everything was given to me,
handed to me.
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"Here, sing this, do this."
And I hated it.
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I said no more.
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I refused to do that ever again.
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At that point, fired her father.
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A&M realised that that happened,
and offered her a contract.
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That move was an incredible move.
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Either she was gonna be in control
or he was gonna be in control.
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I've decided to take control
of my life.
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I remember listening to the
'Control' album for the first time.
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I said, man, this thing
is incredible.
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It's gonna be a blockbuster
home-run album.
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It's Janet
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She's in complete control.
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Her album is still in the top ten.
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It was very easy for those of us
in Black radio.
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We already loved her.
We wanted her to win.
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Everybody out there,
let me present Janet Jackson!
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To be a Black woman who crossed
from R&B to pop and back...
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Janet Jackson, 'Control'.
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..you really have
to find a new mode.
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She's really finding her own lane
and coming up with
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a new definition of what a Black
female pop star sounded like.
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Five, four, three, two, one.
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Like, if we thought 'Control'
was the shit,
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'Rhythm Nation' was, like,
oh, my god, this is amazing!
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'Rhythm Nation 1814'
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is effectively Janet's
'What's Going On'.
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She's inspired to do a message album.
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As a Black woman listenin',
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it was just an immediate anthem of strength.
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She dealt with issues, she dealt
with equality, she empowered women
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and she was all too ripe for
the conservatives to pounce.
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Three, two...
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Where do you draw the line between,
you know, good taste and vulgarity?
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Yeah, that line between class and
being crass, being classy and...
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It's a...
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You have to be very careful.
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I remember my parents being concerned
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about what messages I was getting
from pop music at the time.
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Even though Janet was going farther,
it wasn't just a free-for-all.
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'Janet' is the album that I reviewed
for 'Rolling Stone' that was, like,
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I got it in terms of, like,
who she is as a person
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and her development as a woman now,
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saying, like,
"I am full, I am sexual."
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The person who had been,
like, let's wait a while
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was now talking about
anytime, anyplace.
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There's this side of me
that's always been there
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but I've never shared it with the
public before and it's finally time.
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But, to some people,
it might be shocking, I guess.
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It definitely would be, especially
growing up in this business,
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saying, "Oh, my god, she's not
a baby anymore, she's a woman."
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She has a sex life.
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Yeah. My gracious.
Yeah.
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Can I tell you something?
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If I looked like this naked,
I would be naked right now.
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The 'Rolling Stone' cover is iconic.
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It was everywhere.
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She looked so confident.
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The hands behind the head.
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Yes, we're getting Janet.
Yes, it's racy.
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But these are intimate hands.
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That's her man.
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She is unabashed
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about being an object of desire
in a way that she hadn't before.
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Janet drops this album into the
midst of the '90s culture wars.
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We must take back our culture
and take back our country.
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You see the political right
starting to push back
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and say, like, "Whoa,
the country's getting too sexual.
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"We are not comfortable
with Ellen..."
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I'm gay.
.."coming out.
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"Nn-nn, no. Get back in the closet.
We don't like this."
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You had the moral majority,
you had the religious right,
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even conservative Democrats,
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the Tipper Gores of the world
who'd be emerging.
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Placing a warning label on
music products inappropriate
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for younger children due to
explicit sexual or violent lyrics.
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We had all of these movements
saying America had lost its values,
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America was going to hell and we
needed stronger conservative values.
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Jesus died on the cross for you!
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That was really designed
at policing sexuality,
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attacking art, trying to
destroy multiculturalism.
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I feel that there is an
undercurrent of racism,
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and that the system
is rotten to the core.
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The Republican party is complaining
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about the values that are
being shared in pop culture.
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It doesn't help matters
when prime-time TV
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has Murphy Brown mocking
the importance of fathers.
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When you look at the '90s,
the guardrails were flying off.
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Television had such a dominant
position on raising people,
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on raising our children
and impressionable minds.
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I clearly believed that
we needed to do something
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about the kind of culture and the
kind of climate we had in America.
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There were three specific areas
of concern. One was language.
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Get the hell out of my kitchen!
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One was violence.
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And one was sexuality.
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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
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My name is Tim Winter,
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and I'm president of the
Parents Television Council.
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The PTC's mission
is to protect children
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from the graphic sex,
violence and profanity
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that is so pervasive in
our entertainment media.
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Our concern was that all these
instances of isolated profanity,
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isolated sexually explicit material
that was appearing
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on broadcast radio and television
was gonna become the norm.
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Children today are being bombarded
by intensely violent images
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in the movies they watch and in
the video games that they play.
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Brent Bozell, the founder,
had strong allies on Capitol Hill.
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And, at this point, I will turn
it over to Senator Brownback...
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He knew which members of Congress
were concerned about coarsening
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of the media culture, especially
as it related to children.
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Thank you, Brent,
and Parents Television Council,
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for putting forward another report.
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There was certainly
no qualm in my mind
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that we needed to, in broadcast
television, put in limits.
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We had a meeting at the FTC
with then-chairman Michael Powell.
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There was a growing concern
at our end
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about the lack of enforcement
by the FCC
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of a law that Congress had
instructed them to enforce.
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We had filed numerous complaints
and the public had, as well,
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going back to things like
the Bono F-bomb
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at the Golden Globe Awards on NBC.
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That's really, really
fucking brilliant.
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The naked rear end on 'NYPD Blue'.
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Howard Stern, his radio broadcast.
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I'm a very bad girl.
Alright, here we go.
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And, at that time, Chairman Powell
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said that there were
no public complaints.
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And Brent literally brought out
thousands of petitions
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that had been filed by
members of the public
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about broadcast indecency.
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What show is number one
on your hit list?
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I would look at two networks
on cable, the FX network and MTV.
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FX because it's got the
raunchiest programming.
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MTV because it's aimed at children.
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How does your organisation
define indecency?
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What's indecent?
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Well, you know, it's like
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Justice Potter Stewart
said about pornography.
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You know when you see it.
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Janet is walking in
the middle of that.
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Because she's tasteful.
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She's talking about
her sexual awakening.
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She's never putting it in your face.
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That's not what she
was talking about.
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You have said, and I thought
that this was so honest,
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you said, "All I did
was do what I always do.
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"I write about what's going on
in my life.
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"I'm being honest
about my own sexuality."
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Yeah, I do.
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The album has been banned
in a few places because of...
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Is that good?
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I'm not gonna change it.
It's me. It's who I am.
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I think it's beautiful
to express that.
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There's this catch-22
in terms of how women artists
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and women of colour, in particular,
gain control of their own image.
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You're either too sexual.
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The other side of that
is, if you own that,
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now you open up the floodgates
that, well,
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if she didn't want to be sexualised,
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then why did she create this image
for herself to begin with?
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Is your nipple pierced?
Yes.
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OK. I just want to know
why you pierce your nipple.
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For one, you get
this great sensation.
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Hello!
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I think Janet Jackson
opened Pandora's box
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to what we're seeing now for
being the first who blatantly said,
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"I like who I am.
I like how I look."
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It's really, really tough,
it really is.
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I mean, am I supposed
to go my entire career
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and not talk about
what I feel inside?
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It's gettin' kinda lonely up here.
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Our culture doesn't know what
to do with independent women,
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and definitely not
independent Black women,
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and forget about an independent
Black woman who makes her own money,
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who knows who she is,
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and is apparently a completely
sexually liberated person,
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and, when there is an opportunity
to punish her for it, they did.
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So, in the '90s, MTV is the biggest
radio station in the country.
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They are really a dominating entity
within culture.
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They are really shaping culture.
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Hi, MTV.
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The 1990 Video Vanguard award...
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And the very deserving winner is...
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Janet Jackson.
Janet Jackson.
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If you could get 40 spins a week on
MTV, you could become a big star.
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My guest today is one of
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the most beautiful and talented
artists in the music world.
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She continues to set the mark
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which other pop stars
are simply measured by.
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We're delighted to have her.
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Please welcome Janet Jackson.
Let's get her out.
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It's great to have you here.
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Can we just, for a second,
walk over to the window
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and say hi to New York because
these people are gonna go nuts here.
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They've been standing out here
for an abnormal amount of time,
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since last week, actually.
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We understood live television.
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We understood how to
entertain the audience.
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The lady with the sexiest
bellybutton I've ever seen,
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Janet Jackson.
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Janet had become one of the
biggest stars in the world.
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Her tours were among the
biggest events in entertainment.
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And to be given
an opening an opening spot
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for her Velvet Rope tour
was an enormous platform.
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It put you in front of millions and
millions of people around the world.
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And one of the acts that she
reached out to from that tour
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was a young boy band called NSYNC.
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Alright, well, let's talk about
this Janet Jackson thing.
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Ooh!
Oh, yeah.
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Let me tell you how excited I am.
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This is Justin.
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I just want to say I've been a big
fan of Janet for a long, long time.
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I watched Janet Jackson's
'Rhythm Nation 1814' video,
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like, a hundred gazillion times.
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It says "To Justin".
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Oh, I love this one.
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Aw...
Justin, aw.
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When things were just starting out
for NSYNC,
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Janet took us with her
on the Velvet Rope tour,
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and taught us what being
professional's all about.
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Yeah, like how to be fine.
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And then, in 2001,
MTV gives Janet the Icon Award.
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We love Janet for a whole lot
of reasons.
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Yeah, like, she's fine.
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The night that they are presenting
the Icon Award to her,
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all Justin Timberlake can comment on
while his bandmate
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is extolling her many skills
and talents is how hot she is.
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You know our favourite Janet Jackson
video is 'That's the Way Love Goes'
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because that video had the coolest,
most laidback groove...
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Yeah, she's fine in the video, too.
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Fine.
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MTV was a place where partners
would come to us for our audience.
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In 2001, when CBS and MTV merged
under the umbrella of Viacom,
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there was a lot of discussion about
putting these two brands together.
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The NFL started to,
sort of, take notice.
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CBS had the Super Bowl in 2001
where they were, like,
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"Hey, we should work together
to create a spectacle," and we did.
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We diversified the halftime
like no-one ever really had.
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Everyone was really proud of it.
Everyone was very pleased.
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So, in 2004, when CBS
once again had the Super Bowl,
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the discussions began about
MTV doing the halftime again.
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Now, MTV had a reputation
of being bad-ass,
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of being subversive,
of pushing boundaries.
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They had just given us
Madonna kissing Britney Spears
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at the front of their awards show.
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We knew that MTV
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was likely to bring along the
potential for risky, racy content.
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We were very mindful
and very concerned about
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the family-friendly nature,
or lack thereof,
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of that show because
of MTV producing it.
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The NFL was very conscious of, like,
who they were gonna put on display.
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They want these gigantic stars that
will appeal to multiple generations,
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that will appeal to red states
and blue states.
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Very few artists can actually
sort of fit that bill,
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so the shortlist of talent that
we sort of internally had vetted
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went up the flagpole to the NFL.
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We finally all agreed on Janet,
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and we were very excited
when she said yes.
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Stay tuned...
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..for the Supercharged AOL
Top Speed Halftime Extravaganza.
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See ya at halftime.
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Alright, guys, here we go.
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And playback is rolling.
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By 2004, Janet had been off
the radar for a couple of years
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when she was, in fact,
about to release a new album.
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There's a little bit of,
if I may quote one of her own songs,
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"What have you done for us lately?"
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I was chairman and CEO of
Virgin Records at the time,
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had recently met Janet
and started working with her
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on the 'Damita Jo' album.
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We worked for over a year on
getting ready to release the album,
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and we were super excited that Janet
was performing at the Super Bowl.
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The Super Bowl Halftime Show
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is the biggest moment of the year
for eyeballs on music,
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and that album should
see a really big bump
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as a result of that performance.
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This is a gigantic deal.
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For her to be able to say,
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"I'm still Super Bowl level,"
is a huge stamp of approval.
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When it came to 2004,
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I mean, we felt very confident
in dealing with MTV.
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00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:05,880
Now, when we got to the point
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of trying to select
where the talent was
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and what was going to take place,
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they had changed a little bit from
where they were three years prior.
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Music had changed dramatically over
that course of three years, also.
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Be sure to catch the AOL Top Speed
Super Bowl Halftime Show
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produced by MTV.
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You've got Janet Jackson, Kid Rock,
P Diddy and Nelly is gonna be there,
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so make sure you tune in for that.
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Think of all the issues
we had potentially
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concerning the talent
for that halftime show.
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Janet Jackson was probably
the least concern that we had.
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They're a fun group of guys
and it's nice to be the only girl.
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There was concern with P Diddy,
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there was concern with Nelly,
there was concern with Kid Rock,
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which some elements in the NFL
thought that maybe
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that was going a little bit too far
from where we wanted to be.
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And I realised that they
were misogynistic lyrics
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that were offensive to people.
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00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,440
Misogyny in lyrics and rap music
is a complicated subject.
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I think, for the NFL,
the one thing that you always hear
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is protecting the shield, and that's
to protect the image of the game,
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protect the image of the league.
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It's a very important element
in the NFL
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is how associated it is
with Americana.
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When the talent was announced,
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the owner of the Texans
sent a letter to Tagliablue
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critical of the talent.
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You're not thinking
it was the right thing,
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00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,560
but was really upset
with what was going on.
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This is Houston and it's
the owner of the Texans,
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and it's the Super Bowl in his town.
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Roger Goodell spoke to me
in the morning and said,
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"Before you leave this afternoon
for Europe,
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"you should try to talk
to Les Moonves.
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00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,760
"He's the chief executive at CBS,
he should be aware of this."
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In 2004, Les Moonves was synonymous
with CBS,
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00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,040
responsible for some of the
most profitable hits on TV.
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He was one of the most powerful
executives in broadcasting, period.
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So, I spoke to Les from the car as
I was driving to Kennedy airport,
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and he told me he was aware
of the issues,
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and that I didn't have
to worry about it,
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he would make certain
that the Halftime Show presentation
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would be first class and that
there would be no problems.
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In the NFL's mind, that meant
that it had to be clean,
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it had to be family-friendly
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and it had to upset and offend
exactly zero people.
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It was probably late in December,
487
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,360
and I remember getting a call
from Sally saying, you know,
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"We think it's maybe a good idea
to add somebody that might,
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"you know, help with the...
temper the tone a little bit,
490
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,280
"and we think about
adding Justin Timberlake."
491
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,000
And I said almost immediately,
"Absolutely."
492
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,520
What do you have planned
specifically?
493
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,160
Can you get into that?
Any surprises?
494
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960
There's a special guest.
Can't tell you who.
495
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,640
Really?
Yeah, there's a special guest.
496
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,040
You can't give us a clue
or anything?
497
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,160
Nn-nn.
498
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,600
Then, MTV, right before
the Super Bowl,
499
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,880
issued a press release talking about
how the Super Bowl Halftime Show
500
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,720
was going to include
shocking moments.
501
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,480
Some surprises, I think, maybe.
502
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,400
Y'all have to see.
503
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,840
Justin wasn't announced.
504
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,680
He wasn't at the press conference.
505
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,200
The big surprise was supposed
to be the reveal of Justin.
506
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,960
That was the surprise.
507
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,200
Janet Jackson has been
busy working backstage
508
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,280
as everything falls into place
509
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,880
for what could be one of the biggest
halftime shows ever produced.
510
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Thursday night was the only night
that we get the field.
511
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,800
We actually did
a full dress rehearsal
512
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,960
of the halftime show a few times.
513
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,640
And that rehearsal is something
that I always sat through.
514
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,760
There were a lot of great concerns
from sitting there watching it.
515
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,320
I think we wrote a 2.5-page memo
516
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,440
about things that we thought
needed to be changed in the show.
517
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,080
We had to go back and take a look
at some of P Diddy's lyrics.
518
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,800
We had a look at Nelly's lyrics.
519
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,760
Went through a lot of trouble
for this outfit.
520
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,520
Kid Rock wanted to wear a flag.
521
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,400
NFL was really worried
about the flag.
522
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Nobody wanted it
to be disrespectful,
523
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,600
so that became, like, a big thing.
524
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,120
The feedback I got from Sally
and everybody
525
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,920
was they acknowledged they got it
and they would work towards
526
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,600
accomplishing, you know,
the things that we had pointed out.
527
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,120
Shut that off,
we're gonna hang out now.
528
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,240
We had very little rehearsal time
with all the artists individually,
529
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,040
but especially Justin because
he was flying in from Europe.
530
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,600
So, the game plan for the ending
of the halftime show
531
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:23,840
was they were doing a Janet Jackson
song, and went into Justin's song.
532
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,600
At the end of the song, he sings,
533
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,280
"I'm gonna have you naked
by the end of this song."
534
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,920
And on the word "song", they had
Janet wearing a tearaway skirt,
535
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,920
and he was just gonna take
the skirt off on "song".
536
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,560
She had a full jumpsuit underneath.
537
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,680
After that rehearsal, we all agreed,
538
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,400
from a staging perspective,
it just didn't work.
539
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,200
The NFL gave me notes,
CBS gave me notes
540
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,560
and we all ultimately agreed
we would not do that,
541
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,320
and she was agreeable to it.
542
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,200
I looked at every piece of wardrobe,
543
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,400
along with someone from my standards
and practices department
544
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,160
so that we were, sort of,
legally looking at everything.
545
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,920
I felt like we had delivered
the messages clear.
546
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,200
Goes into the archives...
547
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,560
Wayne Scot Lukas was a stylist
who was part of Janet's team,
548
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,000
and what's been reported is that,
after the rehearsal
549
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,520
for the halftime show, the next day,
he went out shopping on his own.
550
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Sterling silver
sunburst nipple shield
551
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,320
purchased by Jackson's stylist.
552
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,240
And reporting shows that he spent
a lot of time at a local tailor,
553
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,240
and we don't know what it was
that was being worked on there,
554
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,280
but clearly some of the wardrobe
was being adjusted.
555
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,040
We had no knowledge at all
556
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,360
of what might have been happening
between Janet and her team.
557
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Here we go.
558
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,360
The game is starting, and we are
having our talent people coming in
559
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,600
and giving us updates because
Justin Timberlake had flown out
560
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,720
to Los Angeles, and flew back in
on Sunday back to Texas.
561
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,440
Coming up, the AOL Top Speed
Super Bowl XXXVIII Halftime Show
562
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,800
with Janet Jackson.
563
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640
I believe he landed about 20 minutes
before the halftime show started.
564
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,720
We were literally having
a police escort waiting for him
565
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,200
at the airport so he can arrive
in time for the halftime show.
566
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,360
I remember speaking with him.
567
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,040
"Are you all set?
568
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,480
"Do you have any questions?"
569
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,080
There was a request for him to go
in to speak to Janet, her stylist.
570
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,320
We, as the producers, didn't...
571
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,840
We weren't in the room.
572
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Nobody was in the room.
573
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,760
There was a small conversation that
lasted minutes in her dressing room.
574
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,160
Justin came out.
575
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Everyone went off to get in
their ready-start positions.
576
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,120
We have come to the end of the
first half of Super Bowl XXXVIII.
577
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Houston!
578
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,800
Choose to party!
579
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,080
I saw Janet right before
she went on,
580
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,080
and she was super excited, a little
nervous, like any artist would be
581
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,840
right before a big performance,
but super happy.
582
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,320
# All the girls at my party
look at that body
583
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,080
# Shaking that thing
like you never did see
584
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,600
# Got a nice package alright
585
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,160
# Edit four, three, two, one
586
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,560
# It's all for you. #
587
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,240
At the beginning of
the halftime show,
588
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000
I was up at the command post
with all the other NFL entities.
589
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,880
I'm watching the show
and there are some things
590
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,440
that we had pointed out that
obviously didn't get adjusted.
591
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,480
You know, it's fait accompli at that
point in time - it's happened.
592
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,080
My daughter basically said,
593
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,840
"Dad, there were parts of the
Halftime Show which were terrible."
594
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Kid Rock had disrespected the flag.
595
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,760
It was gonna be difficult for her
596
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,000
to explain to her fellow
high school teachers
597
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,720
how I and the NFL
598
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120
could allow a halftime show
like that to get on the air.
599
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,880
600
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,800
601
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,480
Janet is revealed.
602
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,560
We had screens, we had projection.
603
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,760
She is great, the choreography's
fantastic, the costumes are great.
604
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Justin came out.
605
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,120
The song begins.
606
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,840
They're rockin' it, they're doing
the choreography as planned,
607
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,920
and everything was scripted.
608
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240
609
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,760
610
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400
611
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,320
And then, of course, we come to the close
612
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,320
and it's the final few seconds of the song,
613
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,800
and, um, you know, that's just
went everything went wrong.
614
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,480
Did you see what just happened?
I barely noticed.
615
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:05,320
We saw Janet's nipple
for 9/16th of a second.
616
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200
617
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,240
The song ended, we went wide, the
pyro hit and we started applauding.
618
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,360
We're just, like, oh, my gosh,
you know, we did it.
619
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,000
And then the phone rings.
620
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,440
And I'm thinking I'm
answering that phone
621
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,280
because I'm gonna get, like, "That
was amazing and congratulations."
622
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Instead, I get...
623
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,520
"Did you see what just happened?"
624
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,000
I sort of put the phone like this
625
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,920
and I was like, "Did you guys
just see what happened?"
626
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,440
I asked my stage manager on the
floor, I said, "What's going on?"
627
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,400
She said, "I don't know but I had
a blanket for Janet to wrap her in,"
628
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,440
and she said, "I put the blanket
on her and she was crying."
629
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,160
And he said, "Did you know
that was gonna happen, Sally?"
630
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,640
And I said, "No, Jim, I didn't."
631
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680
And he goes, "I believe you."
632
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
I hung up the phone,
we took a moment.
633
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Our tape operator rewound it.
634
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,680
We looked at the close-up shot,
635
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,200
we looked at the wide shot
and we all stood there in shock.
636
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Of course, one of the first things
we tried to do was go talk to Janet.
637
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Janet fled.
638
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,440
We couldn't get her on the phone.
639
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,960
We couldn't get the manager
on the phone.
640
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Was it an accident?
Was it planned?
641
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Was it a stunt?
Was it publicity?
642
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Like, we never got a clear answer
from Justin.
643
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,720
It was fun.
644
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,640
It was quick, slick, to the point
645
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,880
and, nuh, I enjoyed it,
it was a lot of fun.
646
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,800
You guys were getting pretty hot
and steamy up there.
647
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,600
Hey, man, I love giving y'all
something to talk about.
648
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,920
From my vantage point,
she did look upset.
649
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,560
She looked distraught.
650
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
You got nasty with Miss Jackson,
that was pretty cool.
651
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,920
Hey, man, it's every man's dream.
652
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,640
There's something about the
way Janet's head snaps down
653
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,960
at the very end
654
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,600
when she realised how exposed she is
that doesn't feel scripted.
655
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,960
It didn't feel like that's
what she wanted to happen.
656
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,160
It didn't feel right.
657
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,040
If she had been there,
in retrospect,
658
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,160
to, sort of, take the heat
and talk about it,
659
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,640
"Hey, maybe it was a mistake,"
she should've said,
660
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,160
"No-one knew and it was a mistake."
661
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,760
Like, she never said anything to us.
662
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,840
Here we are trying to ask the person
that this just happened to
663
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,240
'cause it happened to her,
and she was gone.
664
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,360
She was on a plane back to,
I think, LA.
665
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,440
Then, we sought out Justin.
666
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,360
We pulled him aside one to one.
667
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,040
"Justin, what just happened?"
668
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,560
He's like, "That was never
meant to happen.
669
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,240
"I was told you guys knew."
670
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,560
We didn't.
671
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,080
He was very apologetic.
672
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,560
He manned up.
673
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000
I think Les Moonves
reached out to me
674
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,360
assuming that I was unhappy with
what happened at the halftime show
675
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,560
to explain that he was not happy,
either, and that CBS would get to
676
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,520
the bottom of how it happened,
who was involved, who knew about it.
677
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,160
I was a wreck, personally,
and I pretty much just lost it.
678
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,720
I was in tears.
679
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,240
People were crying.
680
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Like, it was...
681
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Yeah, it was really upsetting,
it was very emotional.
682
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,320
I felt betrayed.
683
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,520
My instincts told me that there was
a private conversation
684
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,480
between wardrobe stylist and artist
685
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,040
where someone thought
this would be a good idea.
686
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,240
And it backfired.
687
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,840
Janet, take responsibility
for your actions.
688
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,840
Just say, "I'm a trollop.
689
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,800
"I need attention.
Buy my new album."
690
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,240
That's all you have to say.
691
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,960
Offensive, embarrassing
to us and our fans.
692
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,880
The Federal Communications
Commission is investigating.
693
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,400
The National Football League
is livid.
694
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,080
I'm inclined to believe
they planned it.
695
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,680
She's implying that Justin was
in cahoots with her against MTV.
696
00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,800
This was wildly inappropriate.
697
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,200
We have to say enough's enough.
698
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,160
To have sexualised the Super Bowl
699
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,560
in the manner that they did it
is just unforgivable.
700
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,280
The incident could result
in a hefty fine for CBS.
701
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,680
Fines could reach the millions.
702
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,040
When 140 million people
are watching something,
703
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,560
there is no one reaction.
704
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,720
There are dozens of reactions
across the spectrum.
705
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,480
Truth is in the eye of the beholder
in terms of what they think
706
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,600
is entertaining and what they think
is inappropriate entertainment.
707
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,200
A patheticism on the part
of Janet Jackson,
708
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,440
who probably has seen
the best days of her career.
709
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,000
This is a woman who's 37 years old,
710
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,240
which is...this is almost geriatric
in the age of pop music.
711
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,560
When you're in the middle of a hurricane,
712
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,480
you don't really know how you feel.
713
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,040
If I were the president
of Virgin Records...
714
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,600
But we started feeling
indescribably bad for Janet
715
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,400
and the reaction that was starting
to coalesce against her.
716
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,960
Justin Timberlake got his statement
up before Janet Jackson did.
717
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,640
And immediately the term
wardrobe malfunction...
718
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Wardrobe malfunction.
Wardrobe malfunction.
719
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,720
Wardrobe malfunction.
720
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,000
..turned into something
that has been
721
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,440
burned into our
cultural consciousness.
722
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,480
Wardrobe malfunction.
Wardrobe malfunction.
723
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,160
Janet was nowhere to be found.
724
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680
It was the feeling
that she was unresponsive.
725
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,200
Now, maybe she doesn't think
she was unresponsive,
726
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,840
but certainly the impression
that she was not around
727
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,520
did not do her any favours
with a lot of people
728
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,400
who were quite angry
at these companies.
729
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,800
On Monday, Janet issued the first
of several of her apologies.
730
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,400
She absolves all the
corporate entities.
731
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,480
What were we supposed to see,
the red-laced bra?
732
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Part of the bust?
733
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,640
Originally, people in her camp
were saying today they were only
734
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,200
supposed to see...viewers were only
supposed to see her red-laced bra.
735
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,640
Got a call prior to the show
736
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,560
saying that they wanted
to do a costume reveal.
737
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,320
Now, I was under the impression
738
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,640
that what was going to be revealed
in the costume reveal
739
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,720
was a red brassiere,
a bustier, forgive me,
740
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,960
and, you know, got in, didn't
really have time to rehearse it.
741
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,200
Got to the field, went on stage,
was in the moment,
742
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,640
and, when what happened happened,
743
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,720
all I could say was,
"Oh, my god, oh, my god."
744
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,200
Justin Timberlake has distanced
himself from Janet Jackson.
745
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,640
He was seen on 'Access Hollywood'
saying,
746
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,720
"This is pretty cool, gave people
something to talk about."
747
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,920
And later he's like,
"Oh, I'm so sorry."
748
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,720
Clearly, two different stories.
749
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,240
I don't feel like
I need publicity like this,
750
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,200
and I wouldn't want to be
involved with this stunt,
751
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,880
especially something
of this magnitude.
752
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,240
What's so painful about that moment
753
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,480
is everything
754
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,800
Janet had been working for
and towards,
755
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,520
building up to in her career,
756
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,920
was just taken away in that moment
by this white man.
757
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,000
There was two people on stage.
758
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,320
He did it, too.
759
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,360
Janet's breast didn't just jump out.
760
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,400
It was widely felt from people
at Viacom, CBS, MTV
761
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,640
that Janet Jackson's apology
was insufficient
762
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,680
and Justin Timberlake
was a lot more forthcoming.
763
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,840
More than anything else,
764
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,600
Moonves felt that he had been
publicly embarrassed.
765
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,960
At a certain point,
on the advice of management,
766
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,680
she did a second apology,
this time a video apology.
767
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,360
Janet Jackson released
a video statement during the night
768
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,320
apologising for her
Super Bowl flash.
769
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,800
My decision to change
the Super Bowl performance
770
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,280
was actually made
after the final rehearsal.
771
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,760
MTV, CBS, the NFL had no knowledge
of this whatsoever
772
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,760
and, unfortunately, the whole thing
went wrong in the end.
773
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,640
I am really sorry
if I offended anyone.
774
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,080
That was truly not my intention.
775
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,560
The contrition that was expected,
the apologies that were expected,
776
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,200
I just don't know if there was
any amount of apologising
777
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:54,800
that she could've done
778
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,160
to mollify the outrage that...
not that she caused
779
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,440
but that the incident,
780
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,760
and the way it became
its own escalated tornado.
781
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,000
I was shocked.
782
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,360
I was shocked.
I was shocked.
783
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,880
They have to now monitor what they
do on a Sunday evening family show?
784
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,120
We are boycotting MTV because they
shouldn't let those things happen.
785
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,960
Moonves wanted an apology
from Janet Jackson.
786
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,480
He wanted it in person,
787
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120
and this is a guy who is known
by people who worked for him
788
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,600
as someone who would hold grudges,
789
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,960
somebody who quoted 'The Godfather',
somebody that you did not cross
790
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,720
because he had the power to
make or break your career.
791
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,040
And he did not get it.
792
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Janet Jackson never
gave that apology.
793
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,840
An executive at CBS's
communications department
794
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,120
told me Justin Timberlake showed up
to the Los Angeles offices of CBS,
795
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,880
and gave that in-person apology,
and basically kissed the ring.
796
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,920
Justin was even pretty teary-eyed
about it.
797
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,960
But neither apology
managed to stem the uproar
798
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,520
that was coming from the public.
799
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,760
They knew it.
800
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,960
Some people knew it
more than others.
801
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,840
I don't know, I always thought
this was the same artist
802
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,400
who calls herself 'Nasty Girl'.
803
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,640
The entire program was not tasteful.
804
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,440
It was a violation of
indecency standards, frankly.
805
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,440
This has really stirred up
a discussion
806
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960
that's been, sort of,
under the surface for a while
807
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,160
about what's appropriate
when it comes to entertainment.
808
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,640
I don't know how much it would have
cost to buy that public awareness,
809
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,320
but that earned media,
it was worth a lot.
810
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,920
Our website was the first
of its kind
811
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,320
that any member of the public
could fill out and click 'submit'
812
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,400
and it would go immediately
to the FCC.
813
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,720
Prior to Janet Jackson's
halftime show,
814
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,320
I think we had about
750,000 members.
815
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,760
And a couple days after,
we had a million members.
816
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,320
It was a big deal for us.
817
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,040
Janet Jackson's
Super Bowl appearance
818
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,000
has prompted a flood of complaints
to the government.
819
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,880
A group of people, I believe
it's in Tennessee, I'm not sure,
820
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:42,160
filed a class action suit
against Janet, Justin, CBS, MTV...
821
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,520
The Janet Jackson episode
announced to America
822
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:51,240
what I had been trying and pushing
on feverishly in the Congress.
823
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,520
Finally, it was like
the whole country goes,
824
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,280
"Oh, that's what
you're talking about."
825
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,440
Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
826
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,200
By Tuesday, the protests
have gotten so loud
827
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:02,920
that the FCC gets involved
828
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,640
and announces that they're
gonna open an investigation
829
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,480
into the decency of the performance.
830
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,400
Not only is it, sort of, a crass
and sophomoric demonstration,
831
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,640
it may be an illegal one.
832
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,480
The next thing you know, wanted
my computer, wanted all my files.
833
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,720
Every single person that worked
on the Halftime Show,
834
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,640
we were all being investigated.
835
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Some people, I think,
lost their jobs over it.
836
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,680
Others had to be deposed by lawyers
and that was a little scary.
837
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,200
We'll be pretty swift about this.
838
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,160
This has a lot of interest
behind it.
839
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,640
And I don't like to speculate
exactly the time
840
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,640
'cause we'll go where
the facts will tell us.
841
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,800
CBS is furious.
842
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,240
Les Moonves feels betrayed.
843
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,560
And there starts to be a question of
whether Janet Jackson is still going
844
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,480
to be invited to the Grammy Awards
that are happening that next week.
845
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,840
I was former vice-president of
communications and artist relations
846
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,960
for the Recording Academy.
847
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,880
Even though Janet and Justin
both gave written apologies...
848
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,080
..it was Les Moonves from CBS
849
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,240
who decided that,
if Janet Jackson and Justin
850
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,920
were going to be on
the Grammy Awards,
851
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,880
they would have to publicly
apologise on the show,
852
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,960
and that's where things
got really sticky.
853
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,200
Is this fair that Justin Timberlake
854
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,480
gets to perform at the Grammys,
Janet Jackson doesn't?
855
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,800
Absolutely not.
856
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,040
He's invited to perform.
857
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,840
She will not even
be in the building.
858
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,280
She is not invited.
859
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,920
The Recording Academy
never said to Janet or Justin,
860
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,000
"You are uninvited."
861
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,040
We never did that.
862
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,760
CBS wanted Janet Jackson
and Justin Timberlake
863
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,920
to make formal apologies
on the show,
864
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,000
and Justin decided to be on the show
and Janet decided not to be.
865
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,400
Was it because of the apology?
866
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,440
I don't know. One can assume.
867
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,840
Both artists, leading up to the
Grammy Awards, had our full support.
868
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,360
All we wanted to do
was help both of them
869
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,920
really make this
a positive experience,
870
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,640
but CBS had their, kind of,
wanted to have an apology.
871
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,280
We're separate entities but,
when you have someone who is
872
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,560
paying your bills for the entire
year, you have to listen to them.
873
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,920
It felt like another request for
something that was an accident,
874
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,120
something that just felt...didn't
need to be laid completely on her,
875
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,040
and so she didn't do it
and good for her.
876
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,600
There are these
really rigid containers
877
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,000
that the world expects
Black women to fit into.
878
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,160
The moment she did something
out of line,
879
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,440
like, a decision was made
to just exclude her.
880
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,800
She really just became
despicable overnight.
881
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,240
And the Grammy goes to...
882
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Behave.
883
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,320
Justin Timberlake.
884
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,160
It's a...
885
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,600
It's an honour just to be
in the company...
886
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,800
This was going to make his solo
career, for sure,
887
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,840
and so they absolutely had way more
riding on this than Janet did.
888
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,120
I...this is overwhelming.
I don't know what to say.
889
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,240
Listen, I know it's been
a rough week on everybody, and...
890
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,720
We love you!
891
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,800
What occurred was unintentional,
892
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,320
completely regrettable and I
apologise if you guys were offended.
893
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Um...
894
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,680
This has been a dream of mine...
895
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,360
Don't.
896
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,880
I already got enough, don't...
897
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,520
Thank you. I don't know what to say.
898
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,320
This is officially the greatest
moment of my life. Thank you.
899
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,080
What was the malfunction? Were both
breasts supposed to pop out?
900
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,240
Shocking.
Janet Jackson.
901
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,160
Clay, I'm gonna have you naked
by the end of this promo.
902
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Janet being a no-show at the Grammys
903
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,360
only adds to all this noise
that's swirling around her,
904
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,680
and only contributes
to this transformation
905
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,800
from Janet Jackson the superstar
to Janet Jackson the punchline.
906
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,800
Welcome to the show.
Thank you.
907
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Now, that's almost malfunctioning,
isn't it?
908
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,480
I remember that
Dave Letterman interview.
909
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,560
You smell wonderful.
You always smell great.
910
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,000
I really appreciate that in a guest.
Thank you.
911
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,640
He just, kinda,
won't stop needling her.
912
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,720
So, it was just a mistake
is what you're saying?
913
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Justin Timberlake wasn't supposed to
914
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,600
pull your...rip your blouse off,
he wasn't supposed to do that?
915
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,920
He was, he wasn't?
916
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,800
But, you know, she's clearly trying
to talk about something else.
917
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,200
What exactly transpired?
918
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,800
Dave, you're gonna
make me relive this.
919
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,640
I want to put all that behind me.
920
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Well...
I truly do.
921
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,120
Well, not me.
922
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,640
The way that Janet went from
923
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,840
this top-selling pop artist
to just chum...
924
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Janet lost her damn mind whippin'
out her titty on a Sunday afternoon.
925
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,760
It's just the clearest example
of misogynoir in our culture.
926
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,000
And a 40-year-old titty at that.
927
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,160
You can't just whip out
a 40-year-old titty!
928
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,520
That's your man's titty.
929
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,800
That is your man's titty.
930
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,280
I mean, I think that,
for Janet Jackson,
931
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,960
the ultimate indignity
might have been that
932
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
'The New York Times'
actually ended up critiquing
933
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,280
Janet Jackson's breast
and saying that it looked like
934
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,360
the average middle-aged
woman's breast
935
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,920
and may not have helped her image
as a sex symbol.
936
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,080
She had this, like, star
on her breast.
937
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,160
It was like an ornament.
It was like a Christmas ornament.
938
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,640
I mean, I think that's raising
a lot of suspicions among her fans.
939
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,040
The idea that Janet had
this decoration on her body
940
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,840
seemed like evidence
that she was guilty.
941
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,280
This could have very well
been deliberate.
942
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Why else would she wear
this nipple ring?
943
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,080
It's the biggest indictment of our
culture, the idea that a Black woman
944
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,760
wouldn't be adorning herself
just for herself,
945
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,040
that she wouldn't
want to be beautiful
946
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,680
underneath what she was wearing
just for her.
947
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:56,280
She was described as coming off
of an S&M catalogue.
948
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,000
She was described as
being this dominatrix,
949
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,480
like she was a bitch in heat.
950
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,560
The fact that she is a Black woman
and he is a white man
951
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,120
further complicate that in terms
of the race narrative, as well.
952
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,240
People get together around their TVs
953
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,120
to celebrate football and to
get entertained at halftime
954
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,320
and not watching gang-bang rappers
grab their private areas
955
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,440
or Janet Jackson expose a breast.
956
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,960
This goes back to
antebellum America.
957
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,840
The dehumanisation and the
commodification of Black bodies,
958
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,160
particularly Black female bodies.
959
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,800
If you see them as chattel,
then they're simply Black bodies
960
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,400
that really don't have crimes
committed against them.
961
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,000
This moment was so shockingly crude
and awful and horrifying.
962
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,680
Why has television played it
670,000 times?
963
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:49,720
You know why,
because people want to see it.
964
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,680
The Super Bowl immediately strained
Virgin's relationship with MTV.
965
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,240
All of a sudden,
MTV was in trouble with CBS,
966
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,040
and they were dealing
with those issues,
967
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,920
while we were dealing
with our issues
968
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,040
of getting ready to release
an album.
969
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,840
Her latest CD is called 'Damita Jo'.
970
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,520
Please welcome Janet Jackson.
971
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,600
There's effectively a blacklist.
972
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,520
I use this word advisedly
because it wasn't across the board.
973
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,240
It wasn't as if the entire industry
blacklisted Janet.
974
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,240
Nobody said to us,
"We're just not gonna play Janet."
975
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,680
You just had to kinda discern it
over time.
976
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,240
But, meanwhile, the record
is losing traction,
977
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,160
the record is losing steam.
978
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,800
Clear Channel, at that time,
979
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,360
had about 1,200 radio stations
across the country.
980
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,120
We had 200 million listeners a week.
981
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,640
All of the programming decisions
were made locally.
982
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,360
And so there couldn't have been
a system-wide blacklist.
983
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,000
Now, if there was
a blacklist locally,
984
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,080
in Salt Lake City, for example,
because the program manager there
985
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,320
knew that his audience was
offended by what Janet did
986
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,440
on Super Bowl Sunday,
987
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,600
then that's entirely conceivable
that her new album
988
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,480
wasn't played in Salt Lake City
on Clear Channel air waves.
989
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Two songs from her album
have fizzled on Top 40 radio.
990
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,880
991
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,560
And MTV, the outfit that produced
the Super Bowl Halftime Show,
992
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,720
has not exactly gone bananas
over her music video,
993
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,480
giving it no air play whatsoever.
994
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,320
I don't know if blacklist
is the word
995
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,320
that they tried to do to my sister,
996
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,040
but it sure seemed like
they were trying
997
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,440
to diminish her career
and her ability.
998
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,320
We all knew, as a family,
999
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,760
we knew that they were, in some way,
sabotaging Aunty Janet.
1000
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,240
To me, when you're
behind the scenes,
1001
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,800
influencing another artist's career,
1002
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,440
you can call it whatever you want,
1003
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,160
but her career suffered because
of someone whose ego was hurt.
1004
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,720
We'll never know how that album
would've done in a vacuum.
1005
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,880
The album, the quality of the songs,
the incident,
1006
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,440
it's all mixed together in a stew
1007
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,960
that we'll never be able
to pull apart.
1008
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,240
A significant pock mark
on an otherwise brilliant career.
1009
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,000
The way Janet Jackson was deserted
1010
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:21,200
by the successful white companies
was despicable.
1011
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,480
Richard, right here, please.
1012
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Richard Branson said that he bought
Necker Island
1013
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,720
because of the success
of 'Rhythm Nation'.
1014
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,360
As Janet Jackson had a hit, I would
build a little piece of the island.
1015
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,640
And he didn't say a word.
1016
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,240
I'd build another little piece
of the island.
1017
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,360
The damage to Janet's reputation
has a cumulative effect.
1018
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,360
And, ultimately, she parts ways
with Virgin Records,
1019
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,120
and it would have a negative impact
on all aspects of her career.
1020
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,200
She never made mainstream movies
again after that.
1021
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:57,080
There had been an offer for her
to portray Lena Horne in a movie,
1022
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,720
and that offer was rescinded.
1023
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,320
Disneyland had a statue of Mickey
Mouse in a Rhythm Nation outfit,
1024
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,920
which they took down
after the Super Bowl.
1025
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:11,120
McDonald's had a deal with Justin
Timberlake which stayed in place.
1026
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,400
1027
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,920
1028
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,040
1029
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Her career gets put on ice,
and Justin is rewarded.
1030
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:25,600
Looking at how the two most biggest
American brands
1031
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,160
dealt with these two stars is really telling
1032
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,240
about how they were gonna be seen
in the culture in a bigger way.
1033
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,200
He profits off of his proximity
to Black culture
1034
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,080
and his proximity to Janet, right,
1035
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,560
and it took us a really long time
1036
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,040
to understand just how messed up
that was.
1037
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,600
The issue is here that
the air waves that are used
1038
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,480
by radio and television that are
broadcast are public air waves.
1039
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,440
They are owned by the public.
1040
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,920
They are licenced from the public
to radio stations,
1041
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
and they must be used
for the common good.
1042
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,800
We're putting together
a piece of legislation.
1043
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,680
This is the Janet Jackson Bill,
for lack of a better terminology.
1044
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,280
Working with people,
1045
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,160
Parents Television Council, other
interested members on this topic.
1046
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,520
Committee members
'cause now the committees
1047
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,840
had this big wave of interest.
1048
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Good morning, everyone.
1049
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,840
I have been swamped,
1050
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,360
thousands of letters and emails
from folks
1051
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,640
downright desperate and frustrated
that the government has not
1052
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,880
adequately used its authority
to rein in broadcast indecency.
1053
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,520
Miss Wilson?
1054
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,720
Congresswoman Wilson
was extremely effective
1055
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,280
in getting her views across.
1056
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,280
She was visibly shaken
by the whole experience.
1057
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,400
I want to know how something
like this made it onto the show
1058
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,880
in a very scripted,
rehearsed-for-weeks performance.
1059
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,000
Her view was that executives
like Mel Karmazin,
1060
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,480
who was the head of Viacom,
know exactly what they're doing
1061
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,560
when they put this kind of thing
on the air.
1062
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,560
You knew what you were doing.
1063
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,720
You knew what kind of entertainment
you're selling.
1064
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,360
And you wanted us all to be abuzz,
1065
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,000
here in this room and on the
playground in my kids' school,
1066
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,440
because it improves your ratings,
1067
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,680
it improves your market share
and it lines your pockets.
1068
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,160
Thank you, Mr Chair.
1069
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Miss Jackson's unrehearsed
and unapproved display
1070
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:42,000
went far beyond what is acceptable
standards for our broadcast network.
1071
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:47,000
Mr Karmazin didn't really
fully take responsibility.
1072
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:53,800
It is clear that nobody at CBS,
nobody at Viacom,
1073
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,480
nobody at MTV
and certainly nobody at the NFL
1074
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,040
knew what was going to happen.
1075
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,400
Miss Jackson has now
publicly admitted
1076
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:09,040
that she and her choreographer,
unbeknownst to anyone else,
1077
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,520
met privately in advance
with Justin Timberlake.
1078
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,120
And really took
absolutely no responsibility
1079
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,320
from the perspective of CBS.
1080
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,360
The exposure of Janet Jackson's
breast...
1081
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,840
Janet Jackson...
Janet Jackson...
1082
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,520
Janet Jackson's Super Bowl show...
1083
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,440
The Janet Jackson incident...
1084
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,240
There was almost this rejoicing,
1085
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,320
this gleefulness,
that we can now punish her.
1086
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,120
I must take issue with one aspect
of what I see and what I hear.
1087
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,800
My friend from Nebraska, Mr Terry,
and others that made comments
1088
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,920
calling the incident at the Super
Bowl the Janet Jackson incident.
1089
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,440
Well, where's Justin Timberlake?
1090
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,480
Justin Timberlake deserves more
than just a slap on the hand.
1091
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,240
It takes two to tango, and I think
1092
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,880
only a sleazy man would allow Janet
Jackson to take the full blame.
1093
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,600
I must remind the members
of the committee,
1094
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,200
this is, indeed, Black History Month
1095
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:07,320
and, with that in mind,
I have to tell you that,
1096
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,960
when I saw this occurrence
at the Super Bowl,
1097
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:17,640
it innately reminded me of the kind
of atrocities that have been
1098
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,480
visited upon not only
African-Americans in general
1099
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,200
but African-American women,
in particular.
1100
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:26,600
I know that that's kind of...
1101
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,720
The bill was a simple bill.
1102
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,520
It communicated to the United States
and to the television industry
1103
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,320
that we're gonna take this
more seriously.
1104
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,760
Thank you.
1105
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,800
Senator Brownback
introduced legislation
1106
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,160
that increased the fines by tenfold.
1107
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,040
This was something that
was a tangible victory.
1108
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,280
In the wake of the
Janet Jackson incident,
1109
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,680
unfortunately, Clear Channel
got caught in the crosshairs.
1110
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,920
It's become increasingly
difficult to do my show.
1111
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,200
The same show I did a year ago
the government will fine me for.
1112
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,200
I have millions of dollars of fines
against me.
1113
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:00,920
Executives at
Clear Channel Communications
1114
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,960
have made it crystal clear to
radio personality Howard Stern
1115
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,160
that they will not tolerate
raunchy content on the air waves,
1116
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,560
pulling the shock jock's show
from six cities.
1117
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,040
And Howard Stern ended up
being terminated.
1118
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,680
CBS was fined more than half a
million dollars after this incident,
1119
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,680
which they fought and fought
and fought.
1120
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,960
Les Moonves was so angry
about how everything had gone down
1121
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,360
with the halftime show
1122
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,520
that he even asked his executives
in a meeting whether they could
1123
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,040
make Janet Jackson pay for the fines
that would come from the FCC.
1124
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,480
Nobody at CBS
wanted to pay that fine
1125
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,600
if for no other reason
than principle alone.
1126
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,200
CBS appealed its fines
all the way up to the Supreme Court,
1127
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,240
and ultimately
they got it overturned.
1128
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,040
You know, I'm not
a big second guesser.
1129
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,120
You play the game and, if you win,
you win, if you lose, you lose.
1130
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,760
You don't sit around on
Monday morning and say,
1131
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,520
"If I'd only done X,
I'd be a winner."
1132
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,680
If I had to do it again,
I would do what we did.
1133
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,680
We fired some people.
1134
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,080
MTV was never invited again
to do the halftime show.
1135
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,760
We all, sort of,
went our merry ways.
1136
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,000
I have never been invited,
I know you're shocked,
1137
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,200
to ever direct again.
1138
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,320
It's OK.
1139
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,680
My feelings aren't hurt.
1140
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,960
I announced my resignation
from the league in August of 2004
1141
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,000
and, of the 26 games
I was in charge of,
1142
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,520
this is one of those things that's
gonna be out there and remembered
1143
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,280
probably more so than some of the
really good things that happened.
1144
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:31,760
I understand it was a huge headache
for the NFL, CBS, MTV,
1145
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,560
but the end result is
1146
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,640
you can't get around the fact
she took the hit for this.
1147
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,920
Janet wore a scarlet letter for
this incident for quite a long time.
1148
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,000
24 hours after that Super Bowl,
Janet issued an apology,
1149
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,240
and I read in another magazine
that you regret making that apology.
1150
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,800
Is that true? Why?
1151
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,480
Uh, it was an accident.
1152
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Do you think Justin Timberlake
left you hanging out there?
1153
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,720
I am speaking to Miss Jackson.
1154
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,880
You know, when we talk about racism
and we talk about sexism,
1155
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,400
the fallout from the
Super Bowl incident
1156
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,880
is what we're talking about.
1157
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,200
That's what it looks like.
1158
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:26,880
If you consider it 50-50, I mean,
I probably got 10% of the blame,
1159
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,200
and that...I think that
says something about society.
1160
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Then, as the years went on,
while Justin just got bigger...
1161
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,440
It is great to be here,
hosting 'Saturday Night Live'...
1162
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,440
..I think I just got angrier
about it, you know,
1163
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,000
angrier and angrier about it.
1164
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,440
I do have time.
You'd do halftime?
1165
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,560
I do halftime.
1166
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,160
You're doing the Halftime Show
at the Super Bowl?
1167
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,040
14 years after the 2004 incident,
Justin Timberlake is invited back
1168
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,920
to be the headliner of
the Super Bowl in 2018.
1169
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,000
1170
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,440
1171
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,520
1172
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,040
1173
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,440
1174
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,280
1175
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,720
It was basically the most obvious evidence
1176
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,800
that almost nothing about
that incident stuck to him.
1177
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,120
And, while Justin has been forgiven
and gets to perform again this year,
1178
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,080
some fans are calling
for justice for Janet.
1179
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,720
Trending yesterday was
1180
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,440
The internet says we are
not gonna let this pass.
1181
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,760
We don't forget.
1182
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,760
I remember seeing those tweets
bubble up and the images,
1183
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,520
and I remember feeling so relieved, you know,
1184
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,080
that the chapter wasn't over, that
the story wasn't closed on Janet.
1185
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,400
The support was definitely a catalyst
1186
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,320
for Janet's induction into
the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.
1187
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:02,320
I want to say a personal word
to each and every fan.
1188
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:08,360
You've been with me every step
of the way, through all my ups.
1189
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,400
All my downs.
1190
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:19,240
I have never, I never have and I
never will take you for granted.
1191
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,800
I love you with all my heart.
Thank you so much.
1192
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,480
The tide turned so much, actually,
1193
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,120
that Michael Powell,
1194
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,680
who was the head of the FCC
back in 2004, comes out and says
1195
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,000
the reaction was overblown,
but it still feels bittersweet.
1196
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,720
You know, it still feels like
it took too long.
1197
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,120
It feels like...
1198
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,080
..the pounds of flesh
it extracted...
1199
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,320
..we'll never know,
we'll never actually know
1200
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,880
how much it took to get to
where she is now.
1201
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,280
Ironically, what's considered
appropriate now
1202
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,400
is owning your sexuality.
1203
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,560
Owning your identity,
1204
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:07,600
whether it's Ariana Grande,
Nicki Minaj, Beyonce, obviously,
1205
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,680
and now Cardi B and Megan Thee
Stallion on a record like 'WAP',
1206
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,040
women are generally applauded
for their sexual agency.
1207
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,800
I like women saying
what they want to say,
1208
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,360
and acting how they want to act,
and dressing how they want to dress,
1209
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,200
and Janet Jackson
laid all that groundwork.
1210
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:32,600
And, Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame,
please, 2020, induct more women.
1211
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,120
Thank you so much.
1212
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,560
Breaking news - 'The New Yorker'
tonight reporting allegations
1213
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,960
from six women who say
they were sexually harassed
1214
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and intimidated by the chairman
and CEO of CBS, Les Moonves.
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14 years later, the man who had
demanded more contrition
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from Janet Jackson for supposed harm
she did to CBS
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was forced out of the company
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when he was accused of
sexual harassment,
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and dismissed those accusations
as an effort to destroy his career.
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The latest round of accusations
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ranges from violent encounters
to sexual assault.
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And so, for all of his ire,
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ultimately he was the one who
had to step down in disgrace.
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I'm really grateful that
we've arrived at this moment
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of a cultural reckoning, and a
re-evaluation of what happened,
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but we should never forget
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what they did to Janet, right, we
should never forget that outrage.
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What was the cost for this woman
and was it worth it?
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I want to thank all of you
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for making 'Control' number one
once again after 35 years.
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I never, never in a million years,
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I would never think
that this would happen.
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I really appreciate you
and I love you so, so much.
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