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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,289 --> 00:00:06,790 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:06,874 --> 00:00:09,134 - People in Wichita had been terrorized 3 00:00:09,293 --> 00:00:12,554 by the BTK Killer for 30 years. 4 00:00:12,638 --> 00:00:14,306 - BTK has killed seven people, Chief. 5 00:00:14,465 --> 00:00:15,799 What kind of leads do you have? 6 00:00:15,883 --> 00:00:18,301 - No solid leads, at all. 7 00:00:18,385 --> 00:00:21,063 - When they finally announced that there was a serial killer 8 00:00:21,222 --> 00:00:22,689 on the loose, what was that like for you? 9 00:00:26,652 --> 00:00:27,894 - The one thing BTK likes, 10 00:00:27,978 --> 00:00:30,405 more than anything else, is publicity. 11 00:00:30,490 --> 00:00:34,067 - When he went uncaught, it just confirms for him, 12 00:00:34,151 --> 00:00:36,236 he's smarter than the police. 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,571 - Question for Wichita back then, 14 00:00:38,656 --> 00:00:40,573 is how many more people are gonna die? 15 00:00:40,658 --> 00:00:46,079 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:46,172 --> 00:00:50,592 - After BTK was apprehended, 17 00:00:50,676 --> 00:00:55,013 detectives searched his office and his home 18 00:00:55,172 --> 00:00:58,591 and came up with a stash of Polaroids 19 00:00:58,684 --> 00:01:01,436 that looked as if there were male victims. 20 00:01:01,595 --> 00:01:03,605 ♪ ♪ 21 00:01:03,764 --> 00:01:07,600 And they asked him who his male victims were, 22 00:01:07,685 --> 00:01:09,686 and he didn't understand what they meant. 23 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:12,447 And they mentioned these Polaroids, 24 00:01:12,532 --> 00:01:14,699 and then he said, "Oh, that's me." 25 00:01:14,859 --> 00:01:17,285 [camera clicks] 26 00:01:37,473 --> 00:01:38,306 [camera clicks] 27 00:01:38,465 --> 00:01:40,383 ♪ ♪ 28 00:01:40,467 --> 00:01:42,644 - He would dress in slips 29 00:01:42,803 --> 00:01:45,564 and female underwear that he had stolen. 30 00:01:45,648 --> 00:01:49,442 He would wear a mask that had makeup on it, a wig. 31 00:01:58,485 --> 00:02:03,907 - Rader told himself that acting out these fantasies 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,252 helped him diminish the desire to kill somebody. 33 00:02:07,411 --> 00:02:09,171 [camera clicks] 34 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:11,998 But on the other hand, he's also completely immersed 35 00:02:12,082 --> 00:02:14,593 in what it's like to be a victim-- 36 00:02:14,752 --> 00:02:17,337 Feeling the ropes around him, 37 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:20,515 wanting to do this to somebody. 38 00:02:20,674 --> 00:02:23,935 And the more he did that, that kind of ensured 39 00:02:24,094 --> 00:02:26,855 that he would act out again. 40 00:02:26,939 --> 00:02:28,932 - Well, good morning. - Hello, Dennis. 41 00:02:29,025 --> 00:02:31,184 I'm Dr. Katherine Ramsland, 42 00:02:31,268 --> 00:02:33,111 professor of forensic psychology 43 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:34,771 and the author of multiple books 44 00:02:34,864 --> 00:02:38,274 about extreme offenders, like serial killers. 45 00:02:38,359 --> 00:02:40,777 I've been corresponding with Dennis Rader to try 46 00:02:40,861 --> 00:02:43,446 to understand what led him to become 47 00:02:43,539 --> 00:02:47,709 one of the most notorious serial killers in America. 48 00:02:47,868 --> 00:02:50,703 This is the first time that Rader has explored 49 00:02:50,796 --> 00:02:53,215 these topics in depth with anyone. 50 00:02:57,461 --> 00:03:00,722 - The more information we have about serial killers, 51 00:03:00,881 --> 00:03:03,299 the more we understand what makes them tick, 52 00:03:03,384 --> 00:03:05,477 the easier it will be to prevent them. 53 00:03:05,636 --> 00:03:08,396 [eerie music] 54 00:03:08,555 --> 00:03:15,362 ♪ ♪ 55 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:24,654 Sexually-compelled serial killers tend to get addicted 56 00:03:24,747 --> 00:03:26,831 to what they're doing. 57 00:03:26,916 --> 00:03:32,671 They tend not to have control over the addiction, 58 00:03:32,830 --> 00:03:35,757 but Rader did take breaks. 59 00:03:35,916 --> 00:03:39,419 He went three years. He went five years. 60 00:03:39,503 --> 00:03:41,263 ♪ ♪ 61 00:03:41,422 --> 00:03:44,933 so he stands apart from many of them 62 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:48,520 in that it's more an identity thing-- 63 00:03:48,604 --> 00:03:51,773 He wants to be a serial killer-- 64 00:03:51,932 --> 00:03:54,600 Than that he can't help himself. 65 00:03:54,685 --> 00:03:57,612 Because he could help himself and did. 66 00:03:57,771 --> 00:03:59,698 ♪ ♪ 67 00:03:59,857 --> 00:04:02,108 Through the work I've been doing with Dennis Rader, 68 00:04:02,201 --> 00:04:06,112 I'm hoping to dissolve some stereotypes, 69 00:04:06,196 --> 00:04:09,198 to include outliers like him, 70 00:04:09,283 --> 00:04:13,202 and show that we need to accommodate more data 71 00:04:13,287 --> 00:04:16,131 than we have, in the past, about serial killers. 72 00:04:16,290 --> 00:04:18,049 ♪ ♪ 73 00:04:18,134 --> 00:04:20,885 - The most important thing that everyone can do 74 00:04:21,045 --> 00:04:22,795 is certainly be aware that we do 75 00:04:22,888 --> 00:04:24,973 have a very serious problem. 76 00:04:25,132 --> 00:04:27,976 - When the announcement came out from the police 77 00:04:28,135 --> 00:04:30,228 that there was a serial killer in Wichita, 78 00:04:30,387 --> 00:04:33,389 Rader found that exciting. 79 00:04:33,474 --> 00:04:36,476 Finally, he had gotten some attention, 80 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,487 even though they didn't know who it was. 81 00:04:39,572 --> 00:04:45,744 He enjoyed the idea that he was terrorizing the Wichita area. 82 00:04:45,903 --> 00:04:48,246 - The hunt began Friday when KAKE received this letter 83 00:04:48,405 --> 00:04:50,415 from the man police say is the killer of seven people 84 00:04:50,574 --> 00:04:52,325 over the past four years. 85 00:04:52,409 --> 00:04:54,419 He calls himself the BTK Strangler 86 00:04:54,503 --> 00:04:56,004 and promises to kill again. 87 00:05:06,432 --> 00:05:09,309 - Why do you think you wanted this recognition? 88 00:05:26,777 --> 00:05:28,528 - Rader never grows up, 89 00:05:28,612 --> 00:05:30,696 in terms of the attention he needs. 90 00:05:30,781 --> 00:05:34,784 It all goes back to that arrested development. 91 00:05:34,868 --> 00:05:35,868 - Of course, keep in mind, you're not dealing 92 00:05:35,961 --> 00:05:38,046 with a, quote, normal criminal. 93 00:05:38,205 --> 00:05:40,039 Assuming that the person is still alive, 94 00:05:40,124 --> 00:05:42,384 that person is gonna kill again. 95 00:05:42,543 --> 00:05:44,469 - When Chief LaMunyon announced that we did, 96 00:05:44,628 --> 00:05:47,138 in fact, have a serial killer, 97 00:05:47,297 --> 00:05:49,140 people were frightened. 98 00:05:49,299 --> 00:05:51,801 It had changed the entire complexion 99 00:05:51,885 --> 00:05:55,313 of how people went about their daily routines in Wichita. 100 00:05:55,398 --> 00:05:58,141 - Police were just baffled. 101 00:05:58,234 --> 00:05:59,475 They didn't have an answer. 102 00:05:59,568 --> 00:06:01,820 Usually, if somebody got murdered in Wichita, 103 00:06:01,904 --> 00:06:04,823 we had an answer pretty quick. 104 00:06:04,907 --> 00:06:07,325 - Saying "Wichita" and the term "serial killer" 105 00:06:07,410 --> 00:06:10,578 in the same sentence, I never thought I'd do that. 106 00:06:10,663 --> 00:06:14,490 And particularly terrifying for young women, 107 00:06:14,575 --> 00:06:16,418 because are they gonna be next? 108 00:06:16,502 --> 00:06:18,828 And that's what everybody thought. 109 00:06:18,912 --> 00:06:22,424 BTK messed with your mind. 110 00:06:22,583 --> 00:06:24,083 He was controlling the police department, 111 00:06:24,168 --> 00:06:25,585 he was controlling the news media, 112 00:06:25,678 --> 00:06:27,253 and he was controlling the public. 113 00:06:27,337 --> 00:06:29,505 ♪ ♪ 114 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:32,425 - While Wichita is reeling in fright, 115 00:06:32,518 --> 00:06:35,353 Rader is going about his business 116 00:06:35,512 --> 00:06:39,858 pursuing his degree in the administration of justice. 117 00:06:40,017 --> 00:06:42,277 - While you were in school, 118 00:06:42,436 --> 00:06:46,189 you were also committing your own crimes. 119 00:06:46,282 --> 00:06:49,242 Were you listening for things that would help you? 120 00:07:03,707 --> 00:07:07,635 - He learned a lot about how police investigated crimes, 121 00:07:07,794 --> 00:07:12,298 which helped him to know what to do, what to avoid. 122 00:07:12,391 --> 00:07:14,893 That subject matter just helped him 123 00:07:14,977 --> 00:07:16,644 to become a better predator. 124 00:07:16,803 --> 00:07:18,137 ♪ ♪ 125 00:07:18,222 --> 00:07:19,481 What did you want to do with your degree? 126 00:07:29,658 --> 00:07:33,661 - Serial killers who are attracted to law enforcement 127 00:07:33,820 --> 00:07:36,414 know that a police officer is in position 128 00:07:36,573 --> 00:07:39,075 to know a lot about potential victims, 129 00:07:39,168 --> 00:07:43,246 and they can approach people with a sense of authority 130 00:07:43,339 --> 00:07:45,331 by flashing a badge and getting people 131 00:07:45,415 --> 00:07:48,343 to go walk away with them. 132 00:07:48,502 --> 00:07:50,836 - We not only read, of course, what he wrote. 133 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:53,848 Every piece of paper was examined. 134 00:07:54,007 --> 00:07:56,175 Everything was looked at for evidence. 135 00:07:56,260 --> 00:07:58,594 Not one piece ever had a fingerprint, 136 00:07:58,687 --> 00:08:01,856 had a hair, had a fiber that could be identified. 137 00:08:02,015 --> 00:08:04,275 And to me, that's why he feels confident 138 00:08:04,434 --> 00:08:06,611 in sending these letters. 139 00:08:06,770 --> 00:08:08,446 - You would get these mailings, 140 00:08:08,605 --> 00:08:10,773 and they would be in all kinds of bizarre shapes. 141 00:08:10,857 --> 00:08:11,950 I thought there might be something symbolic 142 00:08:12,109 --> 00:08:13,442 about what he was sending. 143 00:08:13,536 --> 00:08:14,702 It was just the fact that he thought he might 144 00:08:14,787 --> 00:08:15,954 have touched it, and he didn't want anyone 145 00:08:16,038 --> 00:08:16,871 to see his fingerprints. 146 00:08:17,030 --> 00:08:19,040 ♪ ♪ 147 00:08:19,124 --> 00:08:23,211 - Rader has an attitude that he is smarter than other people, 148 00:08:23,295 --> 00:08:26,706 because he's more vigilant, he's more attuned. 149 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:29,458 He watches people as a predator, 150 00:08:29,543 --> 00:08:31,877 in ways that most people are not doing. 151 00:08:31,971 --> 00:08:34,472 So as he's also developing knowledge 152 00:08:34,557 --> 00:08:38,050 about law enforcement and investigation procedures 153 00:08:38,135 --> 00:08:42,480 and forensic practices, that's just increasing his sense of, 154 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:47,893 now I know what to do, and no one will be able to touch me. 155 00:08:47,978 --> 00:08:51,406 Studying that is very important 156 00:08:51,490 --> 00:08:54,734 to our understanding of serial killers, 157 00:08:54,818 --> 00:08:58,487 because if they really believe they are untouchable, 158 00:08:58,572 --> 00:08:59,822 that's where they'll make their mistake. 159 00:08:59,915 --> 00:09:02,250 [dramatic music] 160 00:09:02,334 --> 00:09:04,243 - As my partner and I tried to puzzle out 161 00:09:04,336 --> 00:09:06,662 what we could do to advance the case, 162 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:10,333 really the only thing that we knew of that he had created 163 00:09:10,417 --> 00:09:14,754 and touched, held was the communications. 164 00:09:14,838 --> 00:09:16,172 Now, the letters were typewritten 165 00:09:16,256 --> 00:09:19,350 and then copied multiple times. 166 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:24,096 In 1978, there was not a copy machine on everyone's desk. 167 00:09:24,189 --> 00:09:29,018 So we sent a detective to hand carry the evidence to Rochester 168 00:09:29,111 --> 00:09:34,365 and had Xerox work with the material for about a week. 169 00:09:34,450 --> 00:09:36,525 - They were able to trace one of those copies 170 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:39,037 by looking at the fracture and scratch marks 171 00:09:39,196 --> 00:09:40,780 that were present on the plate 172 00:09:40,873 --> 00:09:42,448 that you lay the copying material on. 173 00:09:42,532 --> 00:09:44,709 [scanner whirs] 174 00:09:44,868 --> 00:09:48,546 - And they were able to trace the two copy machines back 175 00:09:48,705 --> 00:09:51,791 to public use copy machines, the kind where you just 176 00:09:51,875 --> 00:09:53,626 put a nickel in the slot and make a copy. 177 00:09:53,719 --> 00:09:54,960 One was in the basement of a building 178 00:09:55,054 --> 00:09:57,138 at Wichita State University, 179 00:09:57,222 --> 00:09:58,381 and the other one was on the second floor 180 00:09:58,465 --> 00:09:59,807 of the public library, 181 00:09:59,966 --> 00:10:03,478 actually where the first Otero letter was found. 182 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:07,056 The one thing that we did not have before was that, 183 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,401 somehow, this perpetrator had a connection to Wichita State. 184 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:11,444 [scanner whirs] 185 00:10:30,506 --> 00:10:34,592 - After you knew that they had traced your Xeroxing 186 00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:37,920 to Wichita State, did it scare you 187 00:10:38,004 --> 00:10:39,847 that they were closing in on you? 188 00:11:00,444 --> 00:11:02,278 - Rader would keep these journals 189 00:11:02,362 --> 00:11:03,621 to describe what he was doing. 190 00:11:03,780 --> 00:11:06,365 He had his own drawings, 191 00:11:06,450 --> 00:11:09,452 plus he had various items for his hit kits. 192 00:11:09,536 --> 00:11:12,213 As these things piled up, 193 00:11:12,297 --> 00:11:14,966 he needed places to secure them 194 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:18,878 against anyone finding them and figuring things out. 195 00:11:18,971 --> 00:11:22,390 So basically, the items from both his murders 196 00:11:22,474 --> 00:11:25,059 and his fantasies went into these hidey holes. 197 00:11:42,319 --> 00:11:44,737 - During my work with Dennis Rader, 198 00:11:44,830 --> 00:11:47,665 one of the things he made for me 199 00:11:47,824 --> 00:11:51,744 was a map of these hidey holes. 200 00:11:51,828 --> 00:11:55,831 The map itself indicates the various places 201 00:11:55,916 --> 00:12:00,085 around Wichita he would have gone to hide some things. 202 00:12:00,170 --> 00:12:02,004 Like, he would find an abandoned 203 00:12:02,097 --> 00:12:04,432 piece of equipment that had sat there for months, 204 00:12:04,591 --> 00:12:07,435 so it looked like nobody was going back to it. 205 00:12:07,594 --> 00:12:09,854 So he might use that as a temporary stash. 206 00:12:10,013 --> 00:12:12,774 He buried a few things. 207 00:12:12,933 --> 00:12:15,693 It was important for him to have this rigidity, 208 00:12:15,778 --> 00:12:18,854 this regularity of the map, 209 00:12:18,939 --> 00:12:23,025 which is exactly the way he lived his life. 210 00:12:23,118 --> 00:12:25,528 And after 1979, 211 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:28,539 BTK seemed to have vanished. 212 00:12:28,698 --> 00:12:29,949 - BTK, all of a sudden, 213 00:12:30,033 --> 00:12:33,044 just kind of disappeared from public eye. 214 00:12:33,128 --> 00:12:35,871 There were no murders that we knew of. 215 00:12:35,956 --> 00:12:37,799 Everything kind of died down 216 00:12:37,883 --> 00:12:40,125 and started to get back to normal in Wichita, Kansas. 217 00:12:40,210 --> 00:12:41,886 ♪ ♪ 218 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:45,381 - You got Wichita all in a frenzy over a serial killer, 219 00:12:45,465 --> 00:12:47,141 and then you went quiet. 220 00:12:47,226 --> 00:12:47,975 What were you doing? 221 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:50,728 - Right. 222 00:13:05,077 --> 00:13:08,737 - When you ask an expert why a serial killer stops, 223 00:13:08,822 --> 00:13:11,082 they normally are gonna tell you they die, 224 00:13:11,241 --> 00:13:15,327 or they are in prison and can't have access to other victims. 225 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:17,421 But he said he was always hunting. 226 00:13:17,506 --> 00:13:19,498 It just had to be perfect for him 227 00:13:19,583 --> 00:13:22,668 to decide to go forward with a hit. 228 00:13:22,752 --> 00:13:24,428 ♪ ♪ 229 00:13:24,513 --> 00:13:26,347 - He liked his family life, 230 00:13:26,431 --> 00:13:29,100 and he liked the idea that he was BTK and nobody knew. 231 00:13:42,772 --> 00:13:47,192 - Dennis, he would get 3x5 index cards, 232 00:13:47,277 --> 00:13:49,945 and he would cut out pictures of models 233 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:53,541 out of advertisements, and he would affix it to the card, 234 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:56,535 and then, on the back, he would give her a name 235 00:13:56,620 --> 00:14:00,715 and characteristics, likes and dislikes. 236 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:05,720 And then he would put a card in the seat beside him, 237 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:08,890 as he would ride around, and he would, you know-- 238 00:14:09,049 --> 00:14:12,143 "I'm spending the day with Sally," or whoever. 239 00:14:12,227 --> 00:14:15,229 It was like he had a relationship. 240 00:14:15,388 --> 00:14:18,900 - He would talk dirty to this 3x5 card, the slick ad. 241 00:14:19,059 --> 00:14:20,985 Then, before the family would get home, 242 00:14:21,144 --> 00:14:25,072 he would go get in the shower with his card and masturbate. 243 00:14:25,157 --> 00:14:28,743 That was his preferred means of sexual gratification, 244 00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,570 and he said, "That's why you don't have more victims dead, 245 00:14:31,655 --> 00:14:32,821 because I enjoyed playing with myself 246 00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:34,239 as much as I enjoyed playing with others." 247 00:14:34,324 --> 00:14:36,083 ♪ ♪ 248 00:14:36,242 --> 00:14:37,752 Dennis Rader had the opportunity 249 00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:40,004 to travel the entire state of Kansas, 250 00:14:40,088 --> 00:14:42,924 and because he was traveling and living in motels, 251 00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:44,083 he said that gave him the opportunity 252 00:14:44,167 --> 00:14:46,093 to practice his bondage. 253 00:14:53,510 --> 00:14:56,354 - One of the things that Rader did to kind of compensate 254 00:14:56,438 --> 00:14:58,764 for the fact that he didn't have time for victims, 255 00:14:58,848 --> 00:15:02,768 was come up with what he called motel parties. 256 00:15:02,852 --> 00:15:05,604 And the motel parties 257 00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:09,358 were autoerotic kinds of activities. 258 00:15:09,442 --> 00:15:11,443 He had dolls that he used 259 00:15:11,528 --> 00:15:14,363 to help facilitate his imagination, 260 00:15:14,447 --> 00:15:15,706 and he would experiment. 261 00:15:36,803 --> 00:15:41,306 - Rader often would take items from his victims' homes 262 00:15:41,391 --> 00:15:44,309 that he could then use to replicate 263 00:15:44,394 --> 00:15:46,153 what he had done to them, 264 00:15:46,312 --> 00:15:49,907 but in an autoerotic sort of scenario. 265 00:15:49,992 --> 00:15:54,486 So he might dress in a slip or pantyhose or underwear 266 00:15:54,571 --> 00:16:00,242 that he had taken and imagine what it must have been like 267 00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:05,172 for one of his victims to know that they were about to die. 268 00:16:31,283 --> 00:16:34,359 - Rader grew careless, and there were times 269 00:16:34,444 --> 00:16:37,613 when he would use the privacy of the home 270 00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:40,866 to do some of his autoerotic activities-- 271 00:16:40,950 --> 00:16:43,377 Dress himself in a woman's slip, 272 00:16:43,462 --> 00:16:47,631 maybe his wife's, put a noose around his neck. 273 00:16:47,716 --> 00:16:51,218 And at one point, his wife came home unexpectedly. 274 00:17:11,239 --> 00:17:14,742 - I think the fact that Rader had put his marriage 275 00:17:14,901 --> 00:17:18,162 and his family and his whole life on the line 276 00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:21,832 when he was indulging in his autoerotic activities 277 00:17:21,991 --> 00:17:24,835 speaks to the addiction of it, 278 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,580 but also, his belief that he was really 279 00:17:28,665 --> 00:17:31,592 smarter than people, he was special, 280 00:17:31,751 --> 00:17:33,752 and he just wasn't going to get caught. 281 00:17:33,837 --> 00:17:35,429 ♪ ♪ 282 00:17:35,588 --> 00:17:38,224 There was a time where you thought about suicide. 283 00:17:41,269 --> 00:17:42,686 [dramatic music] 284 00:18:12,542 --> 00:18:14,385 - You put a loaded .357 in your mouth? 285 00:18:20,884 --> 00:18:23,144 - And what did it feel like when you didn't 286 00:18:23,303 --> 00:18:25,137 pull the trigger, and you put the gun down? 287 00:18:25,221 --> 00:18:26,814 Then what--then what went through your mind? 288 00:18:34,239 --> 00:18:36,240 - Well, it sounds like you gave it a lot of thought. 289 00:18:36,324 --> 00:18:39,785 Was that about having regrets and remorse? 290 00:18:56,586 --> 00:18:57,920 - Okay. 291 00:18:58,004 --> 00:18:59,671 I wouldn't call it remorse 292 00:18:59,756 --> 00:19:04,435 so much as just, how did my life get this way? 293 00:19:04,594 --> 00:19:08,847 Maybe I should end it, before I do anything to anyone else. 294 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:12,267 But I think those moments were pretty temporary. 295 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,603 [dramatic music] 296 00:19:14,696 --> 00:19:16,614 - The first thing you have to realize about psychopaths 297 00:19:16,698 --> 00:19:18,866 is they're-- They're wired different. 298 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:22,119 They don't feel emotions the same way regular people do. 299 00:19:22,204 --> 00:19:25,039 The best way to describe a psychopath 300 00:19:25,123 --> 00:19:28,292 dealing with emotions like guilt or shame or remorse, 301 00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:31,453 which don't exist for them, is if emotions are color, 302 00:19:31,537 --> 00:19:33,372 they're colorblind. 303 00:19:33,456 --> 00:19:36,717 Regular people, in the normal population, 304 00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:39,711 we can look at a traffic light and see red for stop, 305 00:19:39,796 --> 00:19:42,640 yellow for caution, green for go. 306 00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:44,391 A psychopath-- they learn, okay, 307 00:19:44,476 --> 00:19:47,052 the light at the top means stop, 308 00:19:47,136 --> 00:19:48,479 the light in the middle means caution, 309 00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:50,314 the light at the bottom means green. 310 00:19:50,398 --> 00:19:52,066 But they don't see the colors. 311 00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:55,143 They're just following the norms and customs 312 00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:57,488 and you know, laws in society, 313 00:19:57,572 --> 00:20:00,232 which, if you're a psychopath, don't apply to them. 314 00:20:00,316 --> 00:20:02,150 ♪ ♪ 315 00:20:02,235 --> 00:20:03,994 - Dennis had a number of jobs 316 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,405 in which he was able to travel. 317 00:20:06,489 --> 00:20:09,166 He worked in a security company. 318 00:20:09,325 --> 00:20:10,742 After he lost that job, 319 00:20:10,827 --> 00:20:13,671 he worked for the Census Bureau. 320 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:17,091 That let him go to other states, 321 00:20:17,175 --> 00:20:21,262 where he had the opportunity and took the opportunity 322 00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:24,840 to at least watch for victims, sometimes stalk them, 323 00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:28,269 and even plan for doing something to them. 324 00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:32,097 In one town, he actually dug a grave for someone 325 00:20:32,181 --> 00:20:35,267 that he believed he was going to murder. 326 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:39,271 - Is there a possibility that there could be more murders? 327 00:20:39,364 --> 00:20:43,784 The one thing that bothered me, in reviewing the Otero files, 328 00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:47,029 was it was difficult for me, as a homicide investigator, 329 00:20:47,122 --> 00:20:50,958 to grasp the idea that a person's first killing 330 00:20:51,042 --> 00:20:53,869 would be four members of a fa-- how do you control 331 00:20:53,953 --> 00:20:55,379 and commit four murders-- And very calculated murders? 332 00:20:58,133 --> 00:20:59,791 I mean, bringing weapons with you, 333 00:20:59,876 --> 00:21:02,803 bringing the instruments of binding, everything. 334 00:21:02,887 --> 00:21:05,297 It just didn't seem plausible to me. 335 00:21:05,381 --> 00:21:07,132 ♪ ♪ 336 00:21:07,216 --> 00:21:09,634 - Because he did take out-of-state trips 337 00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:11,812 during a time period when he talked 338 00:21:11,971 --> 00:21:16,892 about the urge or Factor X being very strong, 339 00:21:16,976 --> 00:21:21,063 I think it's possible there might be other victims. 340 00:21:21,156 --> 00:21:26,076 So if there are, I want to be the person he tells that to. 341 00:21:26,161 --> 00:21:29,079 Remember the dream you sent to me? 342 00:21:29,238 --> 00:21:30,914 I want to read that back to you 343 00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:32,833 and see if you have anything to say about it. 344 00:21:32,992 --> 00:21:33,834 Do you mind? 345 00:21:36,662 --> 00:21:40,424 - Okay, so the dream was about a boxcar, 346 00:21:40,583 --> 00:21:41,833 and here's what you wrote. 347 00:21:41,918 --> 00:21:44,178 ♪ ♪ 348 00:21:44,262 --> 00:21:47,506 "One end had an old-fashioned barber shop, 349 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:50,092 "like my Grandpa Cook had. 350 00:21:50,185 --> 00:21:54,179 "In my dream, I'm working on a letter to you, 351 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:56,690 "so it is spread out on the table. 352 00:21:56,849 --> 00:21:59,693 "I get my call number for a haircut 353 00:21:59,852 --> 00:22:02,104 "and realize there is too much stuff left out 354 00:22:02,188 --> 00:22:04,448 "for eyes to see. 355 00:22:04,607 --> 00:22:08,693 "So I walk back to put it into my black briefcase. 356 00:22:08,787 --> 00:22:11,372 "Then the alarm clock goes off in my dream, 357 00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:13,040 "and I'm trying to shut it off, 358 00:22:13,124 --> 00:22:16,960 "and at the same time, two police officers come in. 359 00:22:17,045 --> 00:22:19,871 "One taps me on the shoulder and says, 360 00:22:19,956 --> 00:22:23,125 "'We know you did more than ten.' 361 00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:25,293 "Then I awake to find out 362 00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:28,130 the real alarm clock is buzzing away." 363 00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:30,391 [alarm clock beeping] 364 00:22:32,218 --> 00:22:33,969 I've always really wondered 365 00:22:34,053 --> 00:22:37,055 about that dream and what it meant, 366 00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:39,733 and it sounded like you meant some very dark things. 367 00:22:44,897 --> 00:22:50,244 - The dream suggests he's about to tell me something 368 00:22:50,328 --> 00:22:52,830 that the police already suspect, 369 00:22:52,914 --> 00:22:55,499 because there are two officers who come in. 370 00:22:55,658 --> 00:22:59,336 And it has to do with his darkest secrets 371 00:22:59,421 --> 00:23:01,255 that he might have been about to tell me 372 00:23:01,339 --> 00:23:02,589 and then decided not to. 373 00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:04,925 Saved by the bell, 374 00:23:05,084 --> 00:23:07,678 because the actual alarm was actually ringing 375 00:23:07,762 --> 00:23:09,263 and woke him up. 376 00:23:09,347 --> 00:23:12,591 This is a dream you had, and you wrote it to me. 377 00:23:12,675 --> 00:23:13,851 What do you think it means? - Yeah. 378 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:19,022 - Could he be holding something back? 379 00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:22,100 Yeah. Serial killers often do, 380 00:23:22,185 --> 00:23:23,610 because one of the things they're motivated by 381 00:23:23,695 --> 00:23:25,779 is power and control. 382 00:23:25,938 --> 00:23:28,106 And if he has a little secret-- A little, dirty secret, 383 00:23:28,191 --> 00:23:29,608 that could be just the piece 384 00:23:29,692 --> 00:23:31,702 of power and control that he maintains. 385 00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:33,287 And he's got to have something. 386 00:23:33,371 --> 00:23:37,115 - You're clearly protecting secrets in this dream. 387 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,794 And it is related to your BTK activities. 388 00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:44,539 I'm really curious about what else there is 389 00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:46,258 that you would want to tell me. 390 00:23:56,385 --> 00:23:58,145 [dramatic music] 391 00:23:58,304 --> 00:24:02,307 - This dream is related to your BTK activities, 392 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,485 and it is something that you're writing to me, 393 00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:06,945 but you don't want other people to find it. 394 00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:27,341 - Okay, well, let's continue this-- 395 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,927 Thinking about this conversation, 396 00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:32,846 and if you do have things that you could write down, 397 00:24:32,931 --> 00:24:33,680 that would be great. 398 00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:41,930 - His explanation for it is pretty superficial 399 00:24:42,023 --> 00:24:45,600 and deflective, 400 00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:48,520 and I think maybe he regrets sending it to me. 401 00:24:48,604 --> 00:24:52,607 ♪ ♪ 402 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,360 Whenever Rader would decide 403 00:24:55,444 --> 00:24:57,362 somebody was going to be a victim, 404 00:24:57,446 --> 00:25:00,949 they immediately were dehumanized entirely. 405 00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:04,211 They became pawns in his game. 406 00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:06,871 They were projects. 407 00:25:06,965 --> 00:25:09,716 He doesn't think of victims as human beings. 408 00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:11,301 He doesn't think about the repercussions 409 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:14,379 on their family members. 410 00:25:14,463 --> 00:25:18,225 Even today, it's still so difficult 411 00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:21,395 to get him to admit that they were human beings, 412 00:25:21,554 --> 00:25:25,974 and he caused a great deal of catastrophic trauma 413 00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:29,736 in the lives of all the people who knew and loved them. 414 00:25:29,821 --> 00:25:32,731 And that was certainly the case with Marine Hedge. 415 00:25:32,815 --> 00:25:34,399 ♪ ♪ 416 00:25:34,492 --> 00:25:39,079 We're in the neighborhood of Park City, 417 00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:44,743 where Dennis Rader lived, on Independence Street. 418 00:25:44,827 --> 00:25:49,998 And just down the street was a neighbor 419 00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:53,668 named Marine Hedge, who was a 53-year-old woman 420 00:25:53,753 --> 00:25:56,763 who lived alone, had no dog, 421 00:25:56,848 --> 00:25:59,007 seemed to have a male friend who came in and out, 422 00:25:59,091 --> 00:26:00,267 but didn't live there. 423 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,777 - And then, one day, when he was looking out his window, 424 00:26:18,861 --> 00:26:21,446 and he saw her out there, 425 00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:24,282 he imagined his hands around her throat. 426 00:26:24,367 --> 00:26:26,126 ♪ ♪ 427 00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:30,631 At that point, Marine Hedge became a project. 428 00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:34,459 And he had been dormant for seven years. 429 00:26:34,552 --> 00:26:37,220 He hadn't done anything, and suddenly, he decides, 430 00:26:37,305 --> 00:26:39,473 not only does he need to kill her, 431 00:26:39,557 --> 00:26:42,300 but he's going to kill a neighbor. 432 00:26:42,385 --> 00:26:47,731 ♪ ♪ 433 00:26:47,815 --> 00:26:49,808 - Rader was a Cub Scout leader, 434 00:26:49,901 --> 00:26:53,236 and he used that to stalk victims 435 00:26:53,321 --> 00:26:56,481 and to kill victims when the opportunity would arise. 436 00:26:56,565 --> 00:26:58,316 ♪ ♪ 437 00:26:58,409 --> 00:27:01,152 He planned a night out with his Cub Scouts. 438 00:27:01,237 --> 00:27:04,322 Once he got them bedded down, he would drive to Park City. 439 00:27:04,407 --> 00:27:05,990 ♪ ♪ 440 00:27:06,075 --> 00:27:08,159 - He gets to Marine Hedge's house. 441 00:27:08,244 --> 00:27:10,671 He cuts the phone wire. 442 00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:14,165 Her car is in the driveway, but the house is dark. 443 00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:16,334 ♪ ♪ 444 00:27:16,419 --> 00:27:19,930 He broke in and realizes she's not home. 445 00:27:20,014 --> 00:27:22,099 Apparently, she's out on a date, 446 00:27:22,258 --> 00:27:23,675 but then he hears a car door. 447 00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:25,519 ♪ ♪ 448 00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:29,013 He went into her closet in her bedroom 449 00:27:29,098 --> 00:27:31,599 and heard the two of them come in. 450 00:27:31,684 --> 00:27:33,276 ♪ ♪ 451 00:27:46,782 --> 00:27:50,043 - That's when Rader made his move. 452 00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:52,879 But what was interesting in this 453 00:27:53,038 --> 00:27:54,873 is he was going to change his-- 454 00:27:54,957 --> 00:27:56,466 His signature behaviors, 455 00:27:56,551 --> 00:27:58,635 aside from cutting the phone line. 456 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,045 He was going to take her body out. 457 00:28:01,130 --> 00:28:02,973 ♪ ♪ 458 00:28:03,057 --> 00:28:06,384 - His plan then was to take her to the church. 459 00:28:06,469 --> 00:28:08,386 He had keys to the church, as a member 460 00:28:08,471 --> 00:28:11,389 of the governing body of that church. 461 00:28:11,474 --> 00:28:12,724 Took her to the basement, 462 00:28:12,808 --> 00:28:14,893 staged her in various positions, 463 00:28:14,977 --> 00:28:16,987 took photographs with his Polaroid, 464 00:28:17,071 --> 00:28:18,229 and then disposed of the body. 465 00:28:18,314 --> 00:28:20,815 ♪ ♪ 466 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,826 - We start seeing these big changes, 467 00:28:22,985 --> 00:28:25,653 in between his crimes. 468 00:28:25,738 --> 00:28:27,405 He's getting more emboldened. 469 00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:29,332 And then, being more emboldened 470 00:28:29,492 --> 00:28:31,752 and more narcissistic, 471 00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:34,662 he's simultaneously getting more reckless, 472 00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:37,749 sloppy, and disorganized. 473 00:28:37,833 --> 00:28:39,667 ♪ ♪ 474 00:28:39,752 --> 00:28:41,669 - My name's David Zickel. 475 00:28:41,763 --> 00:28:45,089 I was a police officer for the city of Park City. 476 00:28:45,174 --> 00:28:50,353 April 28, 1985, I was working the day shift. 477 00:28:50,438 --> 00:28:52,522 Early in the morning, I got a call 478 00:28:52,607 --> 00:28:55,192 to check the welfare of Marine Hedge. 479 00:28:55,276 --> 00:28:56,610 She hadn't reported for work, 480 00:28:56,694 --> 00:28:59,780 and that was very unusual for her. 481 00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:02,941 When Marine wasn't found in her house, 482 00:29:03,025 --> 00:29:04,609 we made a missing persons report on her. 483 00:29:04,693 --> 00:29:06,277 ♪ ♪ 484 00:29:06,362 --> 00:29:08,363 Then her car was found a few days later 485 00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:10,874 at a bowling alley in northeast Wichita, 486 00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:13,376 and everybody kind of figured 487 00:29:13,461 --> 00:29:17,130 that something foul had probably occurred. 488 00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,549 - The body was discovered here, at 53rd Street North, 489 00:29:19,708 --> 00:29:21,468 just east of Webb Road, 490 00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:24,045 a bit west of the area that police had been searching 491 00:29:24,138 --> 00:29:26,548 all weekend for some clue to the disappearance 492 00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:29,634 of 53-year-old Marine Hedge. 493 00:29:29,718 --> 00:29:31,728 - There wasn't any suspects right away, 494 00:29:31,887 --> 00:29:34,314 so when her phone line was cut, 495 00:29:34,398 --> 00:29:36,891 we thought that was very suspicious, 496 00:29:36,984 --> 00:29:40,737 but we didn't know for sure it was BTK or a copycat. 497 00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:43,240 But we did have that in the back of our head that, 498 00:29:43,399 --> 00:29:45,483 you know, BTK had never been captured, 499 00:29:45,568 --> 00:29:47,244 and this could be something, 500 00:29:47,328 --> 00:29:49,996 but she wasn't left in the house. 501 00:29:50,081 --> 00:29:51,239 She was removed from it. 502 00:29:51,323 --> 00:29:53,416 ♪ ♪ 503 00:29:53,501 --> 00:29:54,835 - You think you could participate 504 00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:57,161 in church activities, 505 00:29:57,246 --> 00:30:00,257 while at the same harming other people? 506 00:30:02,418 --> 00:30:05,971 - Didn't it seem to violate what you believed? 507 00:30:23,272 --> 00:30:24,948 - You can argue all kinds of things 508 00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:28,776 about what's going on in his head, but practicality, 509 00:30:28,861 --> 00:30:30,361 "I'm the president of the church. 510 00:30:30,446 --> 00:30:32,122 "I've got keys to get in. 511 00:30:32,281 --> 00:30:34,115 "I know when people are there. 512 00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:36,626 "This is a pretty safe place where I'm not gonna be seen 513 00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:38,786 "or interrupted doing all of everything 514 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,788 what I've got to do." 515 00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:45,302 - But when you first decided to use a room in the church 516 00:30:45,461 --> 00:30:49,723 to bring a body to dress, 517 00:30:49,882 --> 00:30:51,641 to take pictures of, 518 00:30:51,726 --> 00:30:54,227 did it seem weird? 519 00:30:54,312 --> 00:30:56,980 Like, why would you even think of using the church? 520 00:31:06,482 --> 00:31:09,326 [dramatic music] 521 00:31:09,485 --> 00:31:11,494 - After Marine Hedge's murder, 522 00:31:11,579 --> 00:31:14,322 BTK did not surface and claim responsibility for that. 523 00:31:14,415 --> 00:31:16,574 ♪ ♪ 524 00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:19,994 - The reason he did not communicate anything 525 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,089 to police or any media 526 00:31:23,248 --> 00:31:24,591 was she was in his neighborhood. 527 00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:26,417 ♪ ♪ 528 00:31:26,502 --> 00:31:27,919 So the last thing he wanted to do 529 00:31:28,003 --> 00:31:31,756 was have police focused on his very street. 530 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,007 ♪ ♪ 531 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:35,268 But time passed, and again, 532 00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:38,680 no one suspected the killer was living among them, 533 00:31:38,764 --> 00:31:40,774 so Rader began planning his next murder. 534 00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,517 ♪ ♪ 535 00:31:42,610 --> 00:31:44,519 - Rader would drive through 536 00:31:44,612 --> 00:31:48,365 scouting or trolling for potential victims, 537 00:31:48,524 --> 00:31:52,202 and that's how he picked Vicki Wegerle. 538 00:31:52,361 --> 00:31:54,537 One day, as he was driving by, 539 00:31:54,622 --> 00:31:56,280 he saw her come out of the house, 540 00:31:56,365 --> 00:31:57,958 and she drew his interest. 541 00:31:58,117 --> 00:32:02,587 ♪ ♪ 542 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:32,567 - He then went to Vicki Wegerle's house, 543 00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:33,994 talked his way in, 544 00:32:34,078 --> 00:32:35,486 that he needed to go look at her phone. 545 00:32:35,571 --> 00:32:37,238 ♪ ♪ 546 00:32:37,331 --> 00:32:39,666 - She was very, very nervous 547 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:40,825 and was watching him like a hawk. 548 00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:43,578 ♪ ♪ 549 00:32:43,671 --> 00:32:47,248 Her baby was playing on the floor in the front room. 550 00:32:47,341 --> 00:32:51,177 She said her husband was gonna be home at noon. 551 00:32:51,262 --> 00:32:54,180 And at one point, he was fiddling with the phone 552 00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:57,017 like he was working on it, 553 00:32:57,101 --> 00:32:58,351 and when she turned her head to check on the baby, 554 00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:00,186 he pounced on her. 555 00:33:00,345 --> 00:33:03,106 ♪ ♪ 556 00:33:03,265 --> 00:33:05,191 - Didn't you know that her husband was coming home? 557 00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:24,210 - When her husband came home and found the baby 558 00:33:24,295 --> 00:33:26,537 and not her, he was initially upset, 559 00:33:26,622 --> 00:33:29,215 you know, that what's Vicki doing, you know, 560 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,459 thought she'd gone to the store and left the baby there, 561 00:33:31,543 --> 00:33:33,386 but then when he walked back in the bedroom 562 00:33:33,545 --> 00:33:35,305 and saw that there were some comforters 563 00:33:35,464 --> 00:33:37,799 that were kind of disarrayed, he said, 564 00:33:37,883 --> 00:33:39,809 "I knew that Vicki wouldn't leave the house like that." 565 00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:41,478 So he searched a little further in, 566 00:33:41,637 --> 00:33:43,980 and that's when he found his wife tucked under the bed, 567 00:33:44,065 --> 00:33:45,640 kind of secreted under the bed. 568 00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:48,318 - And by the time police got to Vicki Wegerle's house 569 00:33:48,477 --> 00:33:51,488 on West 13th, her heart had already stopped beating. 570 00:33:51,572 --> 00:33:54,315 She died within 15 minutes at Riverside Hospital. 571 00:33:54,408 --> 00:33:56,326 Her husband, Bill, supposedly found Vicki 572 00:33:56,485 --> 00:33:58,069 with a noose around her neck. 573 00:33:58,153 --> 00:33:59,829 ♪ ♪ 574 00:33:59,914 --> 00:34:02,832 - Whenever Rader's targeted someone, 575 00:34:02,917 --> 00:34:06,577 the callousness just sets in, 576 00:34:06,662 --> 00:34:09,923 and anything that that particular victim 577 00:34:10,082 --> 00:34:13,927 is associated with goes along with it. 578 00:34:14,011 --> 00:34:17,755 It's really striking to me that Rader, as a family man, 579 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,768 has absolutely no concern about young children 580 00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:23,928 in a home where he has targeted a victim. 581 00:34:24,012 --> 00:34:25,763 ♪ ♪ 582 00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:29,100 - At that time, the police accused her husband 583 00:34:29,184 --> 00:34:30,935 and just couldn't prove that it was him. 584 00:34:31,028 --> 00:34:33,104 They really thought that it was him. 585 00:34:33,197 --> 00:34:35,022 - After they interviewed him, it went unsolved. 586 00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:36,524 ♪ ♪ 587 00:34:36,608 --> 00:34:40,528 Never in a million years did people 588 00:34:40,612 --> 00:34:44,115 tie it to BTK, had any idea. 589 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:49,129 Police were investigating it as a random act, 590 00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:52,123 and it just basically never was solved. 591 00:34:52,207 --> 00:34:53,624 ♪ ♪ 592 00:34:53,717 --> 00:34:56,219 - Did you ever think about 593 00:34:56,303 --> 00:34:57,720 what it would be like for you, 594 00:34:57,805 --> 00:35:00,715 if somebody entered your home 595 00:35:00,808 --> 00:35:02,767 and did something like that to your wife? 596 00:35:10,225 --> 00:35:13,227 - But I mean, what if you found her dead, murdered? 597 00:35:13,312 --> 00:35:14,821 What would that have been like for you? 598 00:35:22,154 --> 00:35:24,497 - When I asked him what would happen if he came home 599 00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:26,583 and found someone had murdered his wife, 600 00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:31,829 there's no sense of outrage or horror 601 00:35:31,914 --> 00:35:34,257 that somebody could have done this to his family. 602 00:35:34,416 --> 00:35:37,752 It's--it's more resignation. 603 00:35:37,845 --> 00:35:40,254 Ah, well, karma. 604 00:35:40,347 --> 00:35:43,674 Instead of empathizing with his loved ones' suffering, 605 00:35:43,759 --> 00:35:45,593 he's only able to see 606 00:35:45,677 --> 00:35:49,347 how their possible demise would affect him. 607 00:35:49,431 --> 00:35:52,183 Rader was in his mid-40s. 608 00:35:52,267 --> 00:35:55,361 By this time, he had accomplished nine murders 609 00:35:55,446 --> 00:35:58,198 without anyone suspecting him, at all. 610 00:36:10,285 --> 00:36:13,788 - This is a bridge near Sedgwick, 611 00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:16,374 which is north of Park City, 612 00:36:16,458 --> 00:36:19,886 and underneath here is where the tenth victim 613 00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:22,880 of Dennis Rader was found in 1991. 614 00:36:22,965 --> 00:36:25,716 [dramatic music] 615 00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:28,895 She had been here approximately ten days 616 00:36:28,979 --> 00:36:33,066 before someone from one of the farms came across the body. 617 00:36:33,225 --> 00:36:36,394 ♪ ♪ 618 00:36:36,487 --> 00:36:39,230 - Mom's name was Dolores, 619 00:36:39,323 --> 00:36:41,649 but people called her Dee. 620 00:36:41,733 --> 00:36:45,995 She was such a loving, giving person, 621 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,990 and that's how I want people to remember her. 622 00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:53,077 She's that star that shines a little extra bright, 623 00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:55,329 because of what she was in this Earth 624 00:36:55,414 --> 00:36:58,174 and what she endured to leave this Earth, 625 00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:00,418 and I think that's really important. 626 00:37:00,502 --> 00:37:03,170 ♪ ♪ 627 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:06,507 - Dolores Davis was the last victim of Dennis Rader. 628 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,343 She became a project, as he called 'em. 629 00:37:09,428 --> 00:37:11,929 He was out in that area, saw her out in the yard, 630 00:37:12,014 --> 00:37:14,932 thought it would be pretty easy to get to her, as a victim. 631 00:37:15,017 --> 00:37:17,101 ♪ ♪ 632 00:37:17,185 --> 00:37:21,948 - There was a Boy Scout--a winter campout for two nights, 633 00:37:22,032 --> 00:37:23,783 so he had various ways he could say 634 00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:27,704 where he was gonna be, so an alibi. 635 00:37:27,863 --> 00:37:30,197 - She had a date that evening, 636 00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:34,627 a dinner date with her friend, who she'd been seeing. 637 00:37:34,712 --> 00:37:37,705 They went back to her place early evening. 638 00:37:37,798 --> 00:37:39,457 He went home. 639 00:37:39,541 --> 00:37:42,209 As far as I know, 640 00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:44,962 she went to bed under normal circumstances 641 00:37:45,047 --> 00:37:46,714 at about 10:00. 642 00:37:46,807 --> 00:37:48,224 ♪ ♪ 643 00:37:48,309 --> 00:37:52,061 And somewhere before midnight, 644 00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:53,980 he made his move. 645 00:37:54,139 --> 00:37:56,974 ♪ ♪ 646 00:37:57,059 --> 00:38:00,069 - He just took a cinder block 647 00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:01,821 and threw it through the patio glass. 648 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:03,156 ♪ ♪ 649 00:38:13,992 --> 00:38:16,494 - He said, "I'm on the run from the cops. 650 00:38:16,587 --> 00:38:18,996 "I just need your car and some money. 651 00:38:19,081 --> 00:38:21,257 "I'm gonna tie you up to give me a head start, 652 00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:23,009 "so you know, I get away from here 653 00:38:23,168 --> 00:38:25,002 before you call the authorities." 654 00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:27,588 And so he took her to the bedroom, 655 00:38:27,681 --> 00:38:29,173 tied her up. 656 00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:30,341 He leaned over and whispered into her ear, 657 00:38:30,425 --> 00:38:32,176 "I'm BTK. I'm a bad dude." 658 00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:34,011 ♪ ♪ 659 00:38:34,096 --> 00:38:35,938 - A lot of people think it's the inflicting the pain 660 00:38:36,098 --> 00:38:38,441 they enjoy, but that's just a tool. 661 00:38:38,525 --> 00:38:40,768 The worry, the fear, the suffering. 662 00:38:40,861 --> 00:38:42,695 That's what he really enjoyed. 663 00:38:42,854 --> 00:38:44,605 ♪ ♪ 664 00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:48,284 - I'm sure then, she knew she was doomed. 665 00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:51,704 I shudder to think about it. 666 00:38:51,863 --> 00:38:55,375 Killed her with her own pantyhose, 667 00:38:55,534 --> 00:38:57,284 in her own bedroom. 668 00:38:57,369 --> 00:39:01,956 So just-- The terror is palpable. 669 00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:04,375 ♪ ♪ 670 00:39:04,459 --> 00:39:07,545 - He took her body to a location. 671 00:39:07,638 --> 00:39:10,047 Country road under a bridge. 672 00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:12,975 And there he posed her in different positions, 673 00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:14,051 took some pictures. 674 00:39:14,136 --> 00:39:16,646 [camera clicks] 675 00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:20,149 - After Rader hid Dolores Davis' body, 676 00:39:20,234 --> 00:39:23,227 he went back to the Scout camp and snuck back in. 677 00:39:23,311 --> 00:39:25,321 ♪ ♪ 678 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,825 A missing persons report had been filed for Dolores Davis 679 00:39:28,984 --> 00:39:32,412 by her boyfriend the morning after she disappeared. 680 00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:34,914 When police saw her broken window 681 00:39:34,998 --> 00:39:37,583 and that a jewelry box was missing, 682 00:39:37,668 --> 00:39:39,660 they put out an all-points bulletin 683 00:39:39,753 --> 00:39:42,079 searching for a perpetrator. 684 00:39:42,164 --> 00:39:44,081 ♪ ♪ 685 00:39:44,174 --> 00:39:46,259 Rader sneaks out of the Boy Scout camp again 686 00:39:46,418 --> 00:39:50,087 the next night to go back to the body. 687 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,765 It's still bound with the pantyhose and whatnot, 688 00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:54,091 but nobody has discovered it yet. 689 00:39:54,176 --> 00:39:55,759 ♪ ♪ 690 00:39:55,844 --> 00:39:57,687 On the way back to camp this time, 691 00:39:57,846 --> 00:40:00,022 Rader goes to a rest area 692 00:40:00,182 --> 00:40:01,524 to change his clothes back 693 00:40:01,683 --> 00:40:04,861 into his Boy Scout leader clothes, 694 00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:09,940 and when he's in the stall, a trooper comes in. 695 00:40:10,025 --> 00:40:11,701 Trooper says, "A crime has happened. 696 00:40:11,785 --> 00:40:14,028 We're looking for people who just look out of place." 697 00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:15,946 Rader was worried, because at this point, 698 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:18,374 he had the jewelry box in the car, 699 00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:22,203 and he knew if they asked to look in the trunk of the car, 700 00:40:22,296 --> 00:40:26,382 they would see those items that were clearly not his 701 00:40:26,541 --> 00:40:29,802 and were--would have then been related back to Dolores Davis. 702 00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:45,476 - So Rader talks about the Boy Scout camp nearby. 703 00:40:45,569 --> 00:40:48,321 "I'm just here, on my way back to it." 704 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,490 Trooper says, "Okay. 705 00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,992 You're not the kind of person we're looking for." 706 00:40:53,076 --> 00:40:55,912 And Rader goes back to the Boy Scout camp 707 00:40:55,996 --> 00:40:57,821 and is not a suspect in this crime. 708 00:40:57,906 --> 00:40:59,240 ♪ ♪ 709 00:40:59,324 --> 00:41:01,158 Rader made him feel like, 710 00:41:01,243 --> 00:41:03,419 well, an ordinary guy like this 711 00:41:03,578 --> 00:41:05,246 who volunteers for the Boy Scouts 712 00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:09,166 couldn't possibly be the person we're looking for. 713 00:41:09,251 --> 00:41:11,669 If your job was to question everybody 714 00:41:11,753 --> 00:41:13,846 and look in their cars, 715 00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:16,674 then you do that even with somebody 716 00:41:16,767 --> 00:41:18,851 who volunteers for the Boy Scouts. 717 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:20,928 ♪ ♪ 718 00:41:21,012 --> 00:41:24,848 If I were using this case to inform law enforcement, 719 00:41:24,933 --> 00:41:27,851 I would show how an officer in the case 720 00:41:27,945 --> 00:41:33,691 actually made an error that let Rader go free, 721 00:41:33,784 --> 00:41:37,528 because he adhered to the stereotypes. 722 00:41:37,612 --> 00:41:39,697 ♪ ♪ 723 00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:43,033 - The enormity of what I was afraid 724 00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:44,535 had happened, had happened. 725 00:41:44,619 --> 00:41:46,537 ♪ ♪ 726 00:41:46,621 --> 00:41:50,216 Part of the frustration and the pain 727 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,294 was the fact that we knew so little. 728 00:41:53,378 --> 00:41:55,212 We had no witnesses. 729 00:41:55,305 --> 00:41:57,047 The car was clean of prints. 730 00:41:57,132 --> 00:41:59,383 There was nothing in the house. 731 00:41:59,467 --> 00:42:01,802 They had nothing to go on really. 732 00:42:01,895 --> 00:42:04,054 ♪ ♪ 733 00:42:04,139 --> 00:42:06,974 - The police did consider that, certainly, 734 00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:10,736 Hedge and Davis were part of BTK. 735 00:42:10,895 --> 00:42:13,406 I think they even thought Wegerle might be, 736 00:42:13,565 --> 00:42:15,566 but there were a lot of differences. 737 00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:19,820 Why would there be so much time between #9 and #10? 738 00:42:19,913 --> 00:42:22,740 It didn't make any sense, at the time. 739 00:42:22,824 --> 00:42:24,500 ♪ ♪ 740 00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,661 - What we didn't know is BTK 741 00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:29,496 was going to the store with us, 742 00:42:29,581 --> 00:42:33,000 he was eating popcorn at the movies with us, 743 00:42:33,084 --> 00:42:34,918 he was going to church with us. 744 00:42:35,003 --> 00:42:37,921 He was the guy next door. 745 00:42:38,006 --> 00:42:39,506 ♪ ♪ 746 00:42:39,591 --> 00:42:41,767 - I can't tell you, 747 00:42:41,926 --> 00:42:44,595 when BTK reappeared, 748 00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:48,265 how shocked everybody was. 749 00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:50,109 ♪ ♪ 750 00:42:51,853 --> 00:42:53,195 [dramatic music] 751 00:42:53,355 --> 00:42:54,521 - Well, we didn't know if BTK was 752 00:42:54,615 --> 00:42:56,357 gonna show up in our bedroom. 753 00:42:56,441 --> 00:42:59,360 - I can't even describe how frightening it was. 754 00:42:59,444 --> 00:43:00,944 - He had followed me home, 755 00:43:01,038 --> 00:43:02,747 and then he started stalking me. 756 00:43:07,202 --> 00:43:08,377 ♪ ♪ 757 00:43:08,462 --> 00:43:09,703 - That was our first sighting 758 00:43:09,788 --> 00:43:12,131 of what we believed was BTK. 759 00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:19,463 - Dennis Rader has gotten away with this for 30 years. 760 00:43:19,556 --> 00:43:22,633 - We were in the newsroom going, "Oh, my gosh." 761 00:43:22,717 --> 00:43:24,393 ♪ ♪ 762 00:43:24,552 --> 00:43:26,979 - It regenerated the fear in Wichita. 763 00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:32,810 - That was one of those moments, 764 00:43:32,894 --> 00:43:35,396 you were just ecstatic. 765 00:43:35,489 --> 00:43:37,239 - My name is Cheryl Sarkozy. 766 00:43:37,324 --> 00:43:39,492 I'm a survivor of BTK. 61037

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