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[dramatic music]
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- People in Wichita
had been terrorized
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by the BTK Killer for 30 years.
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- BTK has killed
seven people, Chief.
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What kind of leads do you have?
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- No solid leads, at all.
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- When they finally announced
that there was a serial killer
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on the loose,
what was that like for you?
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- The one thing BTK likes,
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more than anything else,
is publicity.
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- When he went uncaught,
it just confirms for him,
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he's smarter than the police.
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- Question for Wichita
back then,
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is how many more
people are gonna die?
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- After BTK was apprehended,
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detectives searched his office
and his home
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and came up
with a stash of Polaroids
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that looked as if
there were male victims.
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And they asked him
who his male victims were,
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and he didn't understand
what they meant.
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And they mentioned
these Polaroids,
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and then he said,
"Oh, that's me."
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[camera clicks]
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[camera clicks]
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- He would dress in slips
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and female underwear
that he had stolen.
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He would wear a mask
that had makeup on it, a wig.
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- Rader told himself that
acting out these fantasies
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helped him diminish the desire
to kill somebody.
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[camera clicks]
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But on the other hand,
he's also completely immersed
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in what it's like
to be a victim--
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Feeling the ropes around him,
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wanting to do this to somebody.
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And the more he did that,
that kind of ensured
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that he would act out again.
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- Well, good morning.
- Hello, Dennis.
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I'm Dr. Katherine Ramsland,
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professor of forensic psychology
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and the author of multiple books
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about extreme offenders,
like serial killers.
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I've been corresponding
with Dennis Rader to try
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to understand
what led him to become
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one of the most notorious
serial killers in America.
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This is the first time
that Rader has explored
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these topics in depth
with anyone.
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- The more information we have
about serial killers,
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the more we understand
what makes them tick,
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the easier it will be
to prevent them.
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[eerie music]
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♪ ♪
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Sexually-compelled serial
killers tend to get addicted
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to what they're doing.
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They tend not to have control
over the addiction,
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but Rader did take breaks.
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He went three years.
He went five years.
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so he stands apart
from many of them
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in that it's more
an identity thing--
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He wants to be a serial killer--
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Than that he can't help himself.
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Because he could
help himself and did.
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Through the work I've been
doing with Dennis Rader,
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I'm hoping to dissolve
some stereotypes,
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to include outliers like him,
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and show that we need
to accommodate more data
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than we have, in the past,
about serial killers.
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- The most important thing
that everyone can do
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is certainly be aware that we do
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have a very serious problem.
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- When the announcement
came out from the police
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that there was a serial killer
in Wichita,
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Rader found that exciting.
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Finally,
he had gotten some attention,
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even though they didn't
know who it was.
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He enjoyed the idea that he was
terrorizing the Wichita area.
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- The hunt began Friday
when KAKE received this letter
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from the man police say
is the killer of seven people
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over the past four years.
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He calls himself
the BTK Strangler
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and promises to kill again.
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- Why do you think
you wanted this recognition?
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- Rader never grows up,
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in terms
of the attention he needs.
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It all goes back
to that arrested development.
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- Of course, keep in mind,
you're not dealing
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with a, quote, normal criminal.
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Assuming that the person
is still alive,
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that person is gonna kill again.
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- When Chief LaMunyon
announced that we did,
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in fact, have a serial killer,
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people were frightened.
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It had changed
the entire complexion
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of how people went about their
daily routines in Wichita.
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- Police were just baffled.
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They didn't have an answer.
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Usually, if somebody
got murdered in Wichita,
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we had an answer pretty quick.
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- Saying "Wichita"
and the term "serial killer"
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in the same sentence,
I never thought I'd do that.
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And particularly terrifying
for young women,
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because are they gonna be next?
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And that's what
everybody thought.
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BTK messed with your mind.
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He was controlling
the police department,
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he was controlling
the news media,
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and he was controlling
the public.
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- While Wichita is reeling
in fright,
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Rader is going
about his business
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pursuing his degree in
the administration of justice.
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- While you were in school,
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you were also committing
your own crimes.
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Were you listening for things
that would help you?
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- He learned a lot about how
police investigated crimes,
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which helped him to know
what to do, what to avoid.
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That subject matter
just helped him
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to become a better predator.
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What did you want to do
with your degree?
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- Serial killers who are
attracted to law enforcement
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know that a police officer
is in position
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to know a lot
about potential victims,
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and they can approach people
with a sense of authority
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by flashing a badge
and getting people
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to go walk away with them.
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- We not only read,
of course, what he wrote.
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Every piece of paper
was examined.
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Everything was looked at
for evidence.
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Not one piece
ever had a fingerprint,
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had a hair, had a fiber
that could be identified.
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And to me,
that's why he feels confident
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in sending these letters.
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- You would get these mailings,
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and they would be in all kinds
of bizarre shapes.
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I thought there might be
something symbolic
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about what he was sending.
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It was just the fact
that he thought he might
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have touched it,
and he didn't want anyone
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to see his fingerprints.
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- Rader has an attitude that he
is smarter than other people,
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because he's more vigilant,
he's more attuned.
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He watches people as a predator,
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in ways that most people
are not doing.
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So as he's also
developing knowledge
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about law enforcement
and investigation procedures
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and forensic practices, that's
just increasing his sense of,
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now I know what to do, and no
one will be able to touch me.
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Studying that is very important
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to our understanding
of serial killers,
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because if they really
believe they are untouchable,
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that's where they'll
make their mistake.
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[dramatic music]
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- As my partner and I tried
to puzzle out
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what we could do
to advance the case,
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really the only thing that
we knew of that he had created
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and touched,
held was the communications.
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Now,
the letters were typewritten
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and then copied multiple times.
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In 1978, there was not a copy
machine on everyone's desk.
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So we sent a detective to hand
carry the evidence to Rochester
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and had Xerox work with
the material for about a week.
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- They were able to trace
one of those copies
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by looking at the fracture
and scratch marks
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that were present on the plate
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that you lay
the copying material on.
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[scanner whirs]
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- And they were able to trace
the two copy machines back
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to public use copy machines,
the kind where you just
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put a nickel in the slot
and make a copy.
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One was in the basement
of a building
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at Wichita State University,
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and the other one was
on the second floor
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of the public library,
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actually where the first
Otero letter was found.
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The one thing that we did
not have before was that,
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somehow, this perpetrator had
a connection to Wichita State.
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[scanner whirs]
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- After you knew that they had
traced your Xeroxing
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to Wichita State,
did it scare you
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that they were closing in
on you?
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- Rader would keep
these journals
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to describe what he was doing.
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He had his own drawings,
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plus he had various items
for his hit kits.
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As these things piled up,
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he needed places to secure them
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against anyone finding them
and figuring things out.
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So basically,
the items from both his murders
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and his fantasies went
into these hidey holes.
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- During my work
with Dennis Rader,
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one of the things he made for me
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was a map of these hidey holes.
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The map itself indicates
the various places
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around Wichita he would have
gone to hide some things.
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Like, he would find an abandoned
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piece of equipment that
had sat there for months,
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so it looked like nobody
was going back to it.
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So he might use that
as a temporary stash.
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He buried a few things.
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It was important for him
to have this rigidity,
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this regularity of the map,
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which is exactly the way
he lived his life.
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And after 1979,
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BTK seemed to have vanished.
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- BTK, all of a sudden,
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just kind of disappeared
from public eye.
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There were no murders
that we knew of.
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Everything kind of died down
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and started to get back
to normal in Wichita, Kansas.
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- You got Wichita all in
a frenzy over a serial killer,
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and then you went quiet.
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What were you doing?
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- Right.
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- When you ask an expert
why a serial killer stops,
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they normally are gonna
tell you they die,
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or they are in prison and can't
have access to other victims.
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But he said
he was always hunting.
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It just had
to be perfect for him
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to decide to go forward
with a hit.
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- He liked his family life,
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and he liked the idea that
he was BTK and nobody knew.
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- Dennis,
he would get 3x5 index cards,
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and he would cut out pictures
of models
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out of advertisements, and
he would affix it to the card,
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and then, on the back,
he would give her a name
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and characteristics,
likes and dislikes.
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And then he would put a card
in the seat beside him,
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as he would ride around,
and he would, you know--
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"I'm spending the day
with Sally," or whoever.
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It was like he had
a relationship.
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- He would talk dirty to this
3x5 card, the slick ad.
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Then, before the family
would get home,
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he would go get in the shower
with his card and masturbate.
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That was his preferred means
of sexual gratification,
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and he said, "That's why you
don't have more victims dead,
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because I enjoyed playing
with myself
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as much as I enjoyed
playing with others."
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Dennis Rader had the opportunity
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to travel
the entire state of Kansas,
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and because he was traveling
and living in motels,
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he said that gave him
the opportunity
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to practice his bondage.
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- One of the things that Rader
did to kind of compensate
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for the fact that he didn't
have time for victims,
255
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was come up with
what he called motel parties.
256
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And the motel parties
257
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were autoerotic kinds
of activities.
258
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He had dolls that he used
259
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to help facilitate
his imagination,
260
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and he would experiment.
261
00:15:36,803 --> 00:15:41,306
- Rader often would take items
from his victims' homes
262
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that he could then use
to replicate
263
00:15:44,394 --> 00:15:46,153
what he had done to them,
264
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but in an autoerotic
sort of scenario.
265
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So he might dress in a slip
or pantyhose or underwear
266
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that he had taken and imagine
what it must have been like
267
00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:05,172
for one of his victims to know
that they were about to die.
268
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- Rader grew careless,
and there were times
269
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when he would use
the privacy of the home
270
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to do some of
his autoerotic activities--
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Dress himself in a woman's slip,
272
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maybe his wife's,
put a noose around his neck.
273
00:16:47,716 --> 00:16:51,218
And at one point, his wife
came home unexpectedly.
274
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- I think the fact that
Rader had put his marriage
275
00:17:14,901 --> 00:17:18,162
and his family and his
whole life on the line
276
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when he was indulging
in his autoerotic activities
277
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speaks to the addiction of it,
278
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,580
but also, his belief
that he was really
279
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smarter than people,
he was special,
280
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and he just wasn't
going to get caught.
281
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♪ ♪
282
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There was a time where
you thought about suicide.
283
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[dramatic music]
284
00:18:12,542 --> 00:18:14,385
- You put a loaded .357
in your mouth?
285
00:18:20,884 --> 00:18:23,144
- And what did it feel like
when you didn't
286
00:18:23,303 --> 00:18:25,137
pull the trigger,
and you put the gun down?
287
00:18:25,221 --> 00:18:26,814
Then what--then what
went through your mind?
288
00:18:34,239 --> 00:18:36,240
- Well, it sounds like
you gave it a lot of thought.
289
00:18:36,324 --> 00:18:39,785
Was that about having regrets
and remorse?
290
00:18:56,586 --> 00:18:57,920
- Okay.
291
00:18:58,004 --> 00:18:59,671
I wouldn't call it remorse
292
00:18:59,756 --> 00:19:04,435
so much as just,
how did my life get this way?
293
00:19:04,594 --> 00:19:08,847
Maybe I should end it, before
I do anything to anyone else.
294
00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:12,267
But I think those moments
were pretty temporary.
295
00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,603
[dramatic music]
296
00:19:14,696 --> 00:19:16,614
- The first thing you have
to realize about psychopaths
297
00:19:16,698 --> 00:19:18,866
is they're--
They're wired different.
298
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:22,119
They don't feel emotions
the same way regular people do.
299
00:19:22,204 --> 00:19:25,039
The best way
to describe a psychopath
300
00:19:25,123 --> 00:19:28,292
dealing with emotions
like guilt or shame or remorse,
301
00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:31,453
which don't exist for them,
is if emotions are color,
302
00:19:31,537 --> 00:19:33,372
they're colorblind.
303
00:19:33,456 --> 00:19:36,717
Regular people,
in the normal population,
304
00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:39,711
we can look at a traffic light
and see red for stop,
305
00:19:39,796 --> 00:19:42,640
yellow for caution,
green for go.
306
00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:44,391
A psychopath-- they learn, okay,
307
00:19:44,476 --> 00:19:47,052
the light at the top means stop,
308
00:19:47,136 --> 00:19:48,479
the light in the middle
means caution,
309
00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:50,314
the light at the bottom
means green.
310
00:19:50,398 --> 00:19:52,066
But they don't see the colors.
311
00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:55,143
They're just following
the norms and customs
312
00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:57,488
and you know, laws in society,
313
00:19:57,572 --> 00:20:00,232
which, if you're a psychopath,
don't apply to them.
314
00:20:00,316 --> 00:20:02,150
♪ ♪
315
00:20:02,235 --> 00:20:03,994
- Dennis had a number of jobs
316
00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,405
in which he was able to travel.
317
00:20:06,489 --> 00:20:09,166
He worked in a security company.
318
00:20:09,325 --> 00:20:10,742
After he lost that job,
319
00:20:10,827 --> 00:20:13,671
he worked for the Census Bureau.
320
00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:17,091
That let him go to other states,
321
00:20:17,175 --> 00:20:21,262
where he had the opportunity
and took the opportunity
322
00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:24,840
to at least watch for victims,
sometimes stalk them,
323
00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:28,269
and even plan
for doing something to them.
324
00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:32,097
In one town, he actually
dug a grave for someone
325
00:20:32,181 --> 00:20:35,267
that he believed
he was going to murder.
326
00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:39,271
- Is there a possibility that
there could be more murders?
327
00:20:39,364 --> 00:20:43,784
The one thing that bothered me,
in reviewing the Otero files,
328
00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:47,029
was it was difficult for me,
as a homicide investigator,
329
00:20:47,122 --> 00:20:50,958
to grasp the idea
that a person's first killing
330
00:20:51,042 --> 00:20:53,869
would be four members
of a fa-- how do you control
331
00:20:53,953 --> 00:20:55,379
and commit four murders--
And very calculated murders?
332
00:20:58,133 --> 00:20:59,791
I mean,
bringing weapons with you,
333
00:20:59,876 --> 00:21:02,803
bringing the instruments
of binding, everything.
334
00:21:02,887 --> 00:21:05,297
It just didn't seem
plausible to me.
335
00:21:05,381 --> 00:21:07,132
♪ ♪
336
00:21:07,216 --> 00:21:09,634
- Because he did take
out-of-state trips
337
00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:11,812
during a time period
when he talked
338
00:21:11,971 --> 00:21:16,892
about the urge
or Factor X being very strong,
339
00:21:16,976 --> 00:21:21,063
I think it's possible
there might be other victims.
340
00:21:21,156 --> 00:21:26,076
So if there are, I want to be
the person he tells that to.
341
00:21:26,161 --> 00:21:29,079
Remember the dream
you sent to me?
342
00:21:29,238 --> 00:21:30,914
I want to read that back to you
343
00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:32,833
and see if you have anything
to say about it.
344
00:21:32,992 --> 00:21:33,834
Do you mind?
345
00:21:36,662 --> 00:21:40,424
- Okay, so the dream
was about a boxcar,
346
00:21:40,583 --> 00:21:41,833
and here's what you wrote.
347
00:21:41,918 --> 00:21:44,178
♪ ♪
348
00:21:44,262 --> 00:21:47,506
"One end had
an old-fashioned barber shop,
349
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:50,092
"like my Grandpa Cook had.
350
00:21:50,185 --> 00:21:54,179
"In my dream, I'm working
on a letter to you,
351
00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:56,690
"so it is spread out
on the table.
352
00:21:56,849 --> 00:21:59,693
"I get my call number
for a haircut
353
00:21:59,852 --> 00:22:02,104
"and realize there is
too much stuff left out
354
00:22:02,188 --> 00:22:04,448
"for eyes to see.
355
00:22:04,607 --> 00:22:08,693
"So I walk back to put it
into my black briefcase.
356
00:22:08,787 --> 00:22:11,372
"Then the alarm clock goes off
in my dream,
357
00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:13,040
"and I'm trying to shut it off,
358
00:22:13,124 --> 00:22:16,960
"and at the same time,
two police officers come in.
359
00:22:17,045 --> 00:22:19,871
"One taps me on the shoulder
and says,
360
00:22:19,956 --> 00:22:23,125
"'We know you did
more than ten.'
361
00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:25,293
"Then I awake to find out
362
00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:28,130
the real alarm clock
is buzzing away."
363
00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:30,391
[alarm clock beeping]
364
00:22:32,218 --> 00:22:33,969
I've always really wondered
365
00:22:34,053 --> 00:22:37,055
about that dream
and what it meant,
366
00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:39,733
and it sounded like you meant
some very dark things.
367
00:22:44,897 --> 00:22:50,244
- The dream suggests he's
about to tell me something
368
00:22:50,328 --> 00:22:52,830
that the police already suspect,
369
00:22:52,914 --> 00:22:55,499
because there are two officers
who come in.
370
00:22:55,658 --> 00:22:59,336
And it has to do
with his darkest secrets
371
00:22:59,421 --> 00:23:01,255
that he might have been
about to tell me
372
00:23:01,339 --> 00:23:02,589
and then decided not to.
373
00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:04,925
Saved by the bell,
374
00:23:05,084 --> 00:23:07,678
because the actual alarm
was actually ringing
375
00:23:07,762 --> 00:23:09,263
and woke him up.
376
00:23:09,347 --> 00:23:12,591
This is a dream you had,
and you wrote it to me.
377
00:23:12,675 --> 00:23:13,851
What do you think it means?
- Yeah.
378
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:19,022
- Could he be holding
something back?
379
00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:22,100
Yeah.
Serial killers often do,
380
00:23:22,185 --> 00:23:23,610
because one of the things
they're motivated by
381
00:23:23,695 --> 00:23:25,779
is power and control.
382
00:23:25,938 --> 00:23:28,106
And if he has a little secret--
A little, dirty secret,
383
00:23:28,191 --> 00:23:29,608
that could be just the piece
384
00:23:29,692 --> 00:23:31,702
of power and control
that he maintains.
385
00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:33,287
And he's got to have something.
386
00:23:33,371 --> 00:23:37,115
- You're clearly protecting
secrets in this dream.
387
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,794
And it is related
to your BTK activities.
388
00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:44,539
I'm really curious
about what else there is
389
00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:46,258
that you would want to tell me.
390
00:23:56,385 --> 00:23:58,145
[dramatic music]
391
00:23:58,304 --> 00:24:02,307
- This dream is related
to your BTK activities,
392
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,485
and it is something
that you're writing to me,
393
00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:06,945
but you don't want
other people to find it.
394
00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:27,341
- Okay, well,
let's continue this--
395
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,927
Thinking about
this conversation,
396
00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:32,846
and if you do have things
that you could write down,
397
00:24:32,931 --> 00:24:33,680
that would be great.
398
00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:41,930
- His explanation for it
is pretty superficial
399
00:24:42,023 --> 00:24:45,600
and deflective,
400
00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:48,520
and I think maybe he regrets
sending it to me.
401
00:24:48,604 --> 00:24:52,607
♪ ♪
402
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,360
Whenever Rader would decide
403
00:24:55,444 --> 00:24:57,362
somebody was going
to be a victim,
404
00:24:57,446 --> 00:25:00,949
they immediately
were dehumanized entirely.
405
00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:04,211
They became pawns in his game.
406
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:06,871
They were projects.
407
00:25:06,965 --> 00:25:09,716
He doesn't think of victims
as human beings.
408
00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:11,301
He doesn't think
about the repercussions
409
00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:14,379
on their family members.
410
00:25:14,463 --> 00:25:18,225
Even today,
it's still so difficult
411
00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:21,395
to get him to admit
that they were human beings,
412
00:25:21,554 --> 00:25:25,974
and he caused a great deal
of catastrophic trauma
413
00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:29,736
in the lives of all the people
who knew and loved them.
414
00:25:29,821 --> 00:25:32,731
And that was certainly
the case with Marine Hedge.
415
00:25:32,815 --> 00:25:34,399
♪ ♪
416
00:25:34,492 --> 00:25:39,079
We're in the neighborhood
of Park City,
417
00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:44,743
where Dennis Rader lived,
on Independence Street.
418
00:25:44,827 --> 00:25:49,998
And just down the street
was a neighbor
419
00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:53,668
named Marine Hedge,
who was a 53-year-old woman
420
00:25:53,753 --> 00:25:56,763
who lived alone, had no dog,
421
00:25:56,848 --> 00:25:59,007
seemed to have a male friend
who came in and out,
422
00:25:59,091 --> 00:26:00,267
but didn't live there.
423
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,777
- And then, one day, when he
was looking out his window,
424
00:26:18,861 --> 00:26:21,446
and he saw her out there,
425
00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:24,282
he imagined his hands
around her throat.
426
00:26:24,367 --> 00:26:26,126
♪ ♪
427
00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:30,631
At that point,
Marine Hedge became a project.
428
00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:34,459
And he had been dormant
for seven years.
429
00:26:34,552 --> 00:26:37,220
He hadn't done anything,
and suddenly, he decides,
430
00:26:37,305 --> 00:26:39,473
not only does he need
to kill her,
431
00:26:39,557 --> 00:26:42,300
but he's going
to kill a neighbor.
432
00:26:42,385 --> 00:26:47,731
♪ ♪
433
00:26:47,815 --> 00:26:49,808
- Rader was a Cub Scout leader,
434
00:26:49,901 --> 00:26:53,236
and he used that
to stalk victims
435
00:26:53,321 --> 00:26:56,481
and to kill victims when
the opportunity would arise.
436
00:26:56,565 --> 00:26:58,316
♪ ♪
437
00:26:58,409 --> 00:27:01,152
He planned a night out
with his Cub Scouts.
438
00:27:01,237 --> 00:27:04,322
Once he got them bedded down,
he would drive to Park City.
439
00:27:04,407 --> 00:27:05,990
♪ ♪
440
00:27:06,075 --> 00:27:08,159
- He gets
to Marine Hedge's house.
441
00:27:08,244 --> 00:27:10,671
He cuts the phone wire.
442
00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:14,165
Her car is in the driveway,
but the house is dark.
443
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:16,334
♪ ♪
444
00:27:16,419 --> 00:27:19,930
He broke in
and realizes she's not home.
445
00:27:20,014 --> 00:27:22,099
Apparently, she's out on a date,
446
00:27:22,258 --> 00:27:23,675
but then he hears a car door.
447
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:25,519
♪ ♪
448
00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:29,013
He went into her closet
in her bedroom
449
00:27:29,098 --> 00:27:31,599
and heard
the two of them come in.
450
00:27:31,684 --> 00:27:33,276
♪ ♪
451
00:27:46,782 --> 00:27:50,043
- That's when Rader
made his move.
452
00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:52,879
But what was interesting in this
453
00:27:53,038 --> 00:27:54,873
is he was going to change his--
454
00:27:54,957 --> 00:27:56,466
His signature behaviors,
455
00:27:56,551 --> 00:27:58,635
aside from cutting
the phone line.
456
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,045
He was going
to take her body out.
457
00:28:01,130 --> 00:28:02,973
♪ ♪
458
00:28:03,057 --> 00:28:06,384
- His plan then was
to take her to the church.
459
00:28:06,469 --> 00:28:08,386
He had keys to the church,
as a member
460
00:28:08,471 --> 00:28:11,389
of the governing body
of that church.
461
00:28:11,474 --> 00:28:12,724
Took her to the basement,
462
00:28:12,808 --> 00:28:14,893
staged her in various positions,
463
00:28:14,977 --> 00:28:16,987
took photographs
with his Polaroid,
464
00:28:17,071 --> 00:28:18,229
and then disposed of the body.
465
00:28:18,314 --> 00:28:20,815
♪ ♪
466
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,826
- We start seeing
these big changes,
467
00:28:22,985 --> 00:28:25,653
in between his crimes.
468
00:28:25,738 --> 00:28:27,405
He's getting more emboldened.
469
00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:29,332
And then, being more emboldened
470
00:28:29,492 --> 00:28:31,752
and more narcissistic,
471
00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:34,662
he's simultaneously
getting more reckless,
472
00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:37,749
sloppy, and disorganized.
473
00:28:37,833 --> 00:28:39,667
♪ ♪
474
00:28:39,752 --> 00:28:41,669
- My name's David Zickel.
475
00:28:41,763 --> 00:28:45,089
I was a police officer
for the city of Park City.
476
00:28:45,174 --> 00:28:50,353
April 28, 1985,
I was working the day shift.
477
00:28:50,438 --> 00:28:52,522
Early in the morning,
I got a call
478
00:28:52,607 --> 00:28:55,192
to check the welfare
of Marine Hedge.
479
00:28:55,276 --> 00:28:56,610
She hadn't reported for work,
480
00:28:56,694 --> 00:28:59,780
and that was very unusual
for her.
481
00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:02,941
When Marine wasn't found
in her house,
482
00:29:03,025 --> 00:29:04,609
we made a missing persons
report on her.
483
00:29:04,693 --> 00:29:06,277
♪ ♪
484
00:29:06,362 --> 00:29:08,363
Then her car was found
a few days later
485
00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:10,874
at a bowling alley
in northeast Wichita,
486
00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:13,376
and everybody kind of figured
487
00:29:13,461 --> 00:29:17,130
that something foul
had probably occurred.
488
00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,549
- The body was discovered
here, at 53rd Street North,
489
00:29:19,708 --> 00:29:21,468
just east of Webb Road,
490
00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:24,045
a bit west of the area
that police had been searching
491
00:29:24,138 --> 00:29:26,548
all weekend for some clue
to the disappearance
492
00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:29,634
of 53-year-old Marine Hedge.
493
00:29:29,718 --> 00:29:31,728
- There wasn't any suspects
right away,
494
00:29:31,887 --> 00:29:34,314
so when her phone line was cut,
495
00:29:34,398 --> 00:29:36,891
we thought
that was very suspicious,
496
00:29:36,984 --> 00:29:40,737
but we didn't know for sure
it was BTK or a copycat.
497
00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:43,240
But we did have that
in the back of our head that,
498
00:29:43,399 --> 00:29:45,483
you know,
BTK had never been captured,
499
00:29:45,568 --> 00:29:47,244
and this could be something,
500
00:29:47,328 --> 00:29:49,996
but she wasn't left
in the house.
501
00:29:50,081 --> 00:29:51,239
She was removed from it.
502
00:29:51,323 --> 00:29:53,416
♪ ♪
503
00:29:53,501 --> 00:29:54,835
- You think you could
participate
504
00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:57,161
in church activities,
505
00:29:57,246 --> 00:30:00,257
while at the same
harming other people?
506
00:30:02,418 --> 00:30:05,971
- Didn't it seem
to violate what you believed?
507
00:30:23,272 --> 00:30:24,948
- You can argue
all kinds of things
508
00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:28,776
about what's going on
in his head, but practicality,
509
00:30:28,861 --> 00:30:30,361
"I'm the president
of the church.
510
00:30:30,446 --> 00:30:32,122
"I've got keys to get in.
511
00:30:32,281 --> 00:30:34,115
"I know when people are there.
512
00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:36,626
"This is a pretty safe place
where I'm not gonna be seen
513
00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:38,786
"or interrupted doing
all of everything
514
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,788
what I've got to do."
515
00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:45,302
- But when you first decided
to use a room in the church
516
00:30:45,461 --> 00:30:49,723
to bring a body to dress,
517
00:30:49,882 --> 00:30:51,641
to take pictures of,
518
00:30:51,726 --> 00:30:54,227
did it seem weird?
519
00:30:54,312 --> 00:30:56,980
Like, why would you even
think of using the church?
520
00:31:06,482 --> 00:31:09,326
[dramatic music]
521
00:31:09,485 --> 00:31:11,494
- After Marine Hedge's murder,
522
00:31:11,579 --> 00:31:14,322
BTK did not surface and claim
responsibility for that.
523
00:31:14,415 --> 00:31:16,574
♪ ♪
524
00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:19,994
- The reason he did not
communicate anything
525
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,089
to police or any media
526
00:31:23,248 --> 00:31:24,591
was she was in his neighborhood.
527
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:26,417
♪ ♪
528
00:31:26,502 --> 00:31:27,919
So the last thing
he wanted to do
529
00:31:28,003 --> 00:31:31,756
was have police focused
on his very street.
530
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,007
♪ ♪
531
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:35,268
But time passed, and again,
532
00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:38,680
no one suspected the killer
was living among them,
533
00:31:38,764 --> 00:31:40,774
so Rader began planning
his next murder.
534
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,517
♪ ♪
535
00:31:42,610 --> 00:31:44,519
- Rader would drive through
536
00:31:44,612 --> 00:31:48,365
scouting or trolling
for potential victims,
537
00:31:48,524 --> 00:31:52,202
and that's how
he picked Vicki Wegerle.
538
00:31:52,361 --> 00:31:54,537
One day, as he was driving by,
539
00:31:54,622 --> 00:31:56,280
he saw her come out
of the house,
540
00:31:56,365 --> 00:31:57,958
and she drew his interest.
541
00:31:58,117 --> 00:32:02,587
♪ ♪
542
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:32,567
- He then went
to Vicki Wegerle's house,
543
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:33,994
talked his way in,
544
00:32:34,078 --> 00:32:35,486
that he needed to go look
at her phone.
545
00:32:35,571 --> 00:32:37,238
♪ ♪
546
00:32:37,331 --> 00:32:39,666
- She was very, very nervous
547
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:40,825
and was watching him
like a hawk.
548
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:43,578
♪ ♪
549
00:32:43,671 --> 00:32:47,248
Her baby was playing on
the floor in the front room.
550
00:32:47,341 --> 00:32:51,177
She said her husband
was gonna be home at noon.
551
00:32:51,262 --> 00:32:54,180
And at one point,
he was fiddling with the phone
552
00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:57,017
like he was working on it,
553
00:32:57,101 --> 00:32:58,351
and when she turned her head
to check on the baby,
554
00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:00,186
he pounced on her.
555
00:33:00,345 --> 00:33:03,106
♪ ♪
556
00:33:03,265 --> 00:33:05,191
- Didn't you know that
her husband was coming home?
557
00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:24,210
- When her husband came home
and found the baby
558
00:33:24,295 --> 00:33:26,537
and not her,
he was initially upset,
559
00:33:26,622 --> 00:33:29,215
you know, that what's
Vicki doing, you know,
560
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,459
thought she'd gone to the store
and left the baby there,
561
00:33:31,543 --> 00:33:33,386
but then when he walked back
in the bedroom
562
00:33:33,545 --> 00:33:35,305
and saw that there were
some comforters
563
00:33:35,464 --> 00:33:37,799
that were kind of disarrayed,
he said,
564
00:33:37,883 --> 00:33:39,809
"I knew that Vicki wouldn't
leave the house like that."
565
00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:41,478
So he searched
a little further in,
566
00:33:41,637 --> 00:33:43,980
and that's when he found
his wife tucked under the bed,
567
00:33:44,065 --> 00:33:45,640
kind of secreted under the bed.
568
00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:48,318
- And by the time police got
to Vicki Wegerle's house
569
00:33:48,477 --> 00:33:51,488
on West 13th, her heart
had already stopped beating.
570
00:33:51,572 --> 00:33:54,315
She died within 15 minutes
at Riverside Hospital.
571
00:33:54,408 --> 00:33:56,326
Her husband, Bill,
supposedly found Vicki
572
00:33:56,485 --> 00:33:58,069
with a noose around her neck.
573
00:33:58,153 --> 00:33:59,829
♪ ♪
574
00:33:59,914 --> 00:34:02,832
- Whenever Rader's
targeted someone,
575
00:34:02,917 --> 00:34:06,577
the callousness just sets in,
576
00:34:06,662 --> 00:34:09,923
and anything that
that particular victim
577
00:34:10,082 --> 00:34:13,927
is associated with goes
along with it.
578
00:34:14,011 --> 00:34:17,755
It's really striking to me
that Rader, as a family man,
579
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,768
has absolutely no concern
about young children
580
00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:23,928
in a home where he has
targeted a victim.
581
00:34:24,012 --> 00:34:25,763
♪ ♪
582
00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:29,100
- At that time,
the police accused her husband
583
00:34:29,184 --> 00:34:30,935
and just couldn't prove
that it was him.
584
00:34:31,028 --> 00:34:33,104
They really thought
that it was him.
585
00:34:33,197 --> 00:34:35,022
- After they interviewed him,
it went unsolved.
586
00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:36,524
♪ ♪
587
00:34:36,608 --> 00:34:40,528
Never in a million years
did people
588
00:34:40,612 --> 00:34:44,115
tie it to BTK, had any idea.
589
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:49,129
Police were investigating it
as a random act,
590
00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:52,123
and it just basically
never was solved.
591
00:34:52,207 --> 00:34:53,624
♪ ♪
592
00:34:53,717 --> 00:34:56,219
- Did you ever think about
593
00:34:56,303 --> 00:34:57,720
what it would be like for you,
594
00:34:57,805 --> 00:35:00,715
if somebody entered your home
595
00:35:00,808 --> 00:35:02,767
and did something like that
to your wife?
596
00:35:10,225 --> 00:35:13,227
- But I mean, what if
you found her dead, murdered?
597
00:35:13,312 --> 00:35:14,821
What would that
have been like for you?
598
00:35:22,154 --> 00:35:24,497
- When I asked him what would
happen if he came home
599
00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:26,583
and found someone
had murdered his wife,
600
00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:31,829
there's no sense
of outrage or horror
601
00:35:31,914 --> 00:35:34,257
that somebody could have
done this to his family.
602
00:35:34,416 --> 00:35:37,752
It's--it's more resignation.
603
00:35:37,845 --> 00:35:40,254
Ah, well, karma.
604
00:35:40,347 --> 00:35:43,674
Instead of empathizing with
his loved ones' suffering,
605
00:35:43,759 --> 00:35:45,593
he's only able to see
606
00:35:45,677 --> 00:35:49,347
how their possible demise
would affect him.
607
00:35:49,431 --> 00:35:52,183
Rader was in his mid-40s.
608
00:35:52,267 --> 00:35:55,361
By this time, he had
accomplished nine murders
609
00:35:55,446 --> 00:35:58,198
without anyone suspecting him,
at all.
610
00:36:10,285 --> 00:36:13,788
- This is a bridge
near Sedgwick,
611
00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:16,374
which is north of Park City,
612
00:36:16,458 --> 00:36:19,886
and underneath here
is where the tenth victim
613
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:22,880
of Dennis Rader was found
in 1991.
614
00:36:22,965 --> 00:36:25,716
[dramatic music]
615
00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:28,895
She had been here
approximately ten days
616
00:36:28,979 --> 00:36:33,066
before someone from one of the
farms came across the body.
617
00:36:33,225 --> 00:36:36,394
♪ ♪
618
00:36:36,487 --> 00:36:39,230
- Mom's name was Dolores,
619
00:36:39,323 --> 00:36:41,649
but people called her Dee.
620
00:36:41,733 --> 00:36:45,995
She was such a loving,
giving person,
621
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,990
and that's how I want people
to remember her.
622
00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:53,077
She's that star that shines
a little extra bright,
623
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:55,329
because of what she was
in this Earth
624
00:36:55,414 --> 00:36:58,174
and what she endured
to leave this Earth,
625
00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:00,418
and I think that's
really important.
626
00:37:00,502 --> 00:37:03,170
♪ ♪
627
00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:06,507
- Dolores Davis was the last
victim of Dennis Rader.
628
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,343
She became a project,
as he called 'em.
629
00:37:09,428 --> 00:37:11,929
He was out in that area,
saw her out in the yard,
630
00:37:12,014 --> 00:37:14,932
thought it would be pretty easy
to get to her, as a victim.
631
00:37:15,017 --> 00:37:17,101
♪ ♪
632
00:37:17,185 --> 00:37:21,948
- There was a Boy Scout--a
winter campout for two nights,
633
00:37:22,032 --> 00:37:23,783
so he had various ways
he could say
634
00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:27,704
where he was gonna be,
so an alibi.
635
00:37:27,863 --> 00:37:30,197
- She had a date that evening,
636
00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:34,627
a dinner date with her friend,
who she'd been seeing.
637
00:37:34,712 --> 00:37:37,705
They went back
to her place early evening.
638
00:37:37,798 --> 00:37:39,457
He went home.
639
00:37:39,541 --> 00:37:42,209
As far as I know,
640
00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:44,962
she went to bed
under normal circumstances
641
00:37:45,047 --> 00:37:46,714
at about 10:00.
642
00:37:46,807 --> 00:37:48,224
♪ ♪
643
00:37:48,309 --> 00:37:52,061
And somewhere before midnight,
644
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:53,980
he made his move.
645
00:37:54,139 --> 00:37:56,974
♪ ♪
646
00:37:57,059 --> 00:38:00,069
- He just took a cinder block
647
00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:01,821
and threw it
through the patio glass.
648
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:03,156
♪ ♪
649
00:38:13,992 --> 00:38:16,494
- He said,
"I'm on the run from the cops.
650
00:38:16,587 --> 00:38:18,996
"I just need your car
and some money.
651
00:38:19,081 --> 00:38:21,257
"I'm gonna tie you up
to give me a head start,
652
00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:23,009
"so you know,
I get away from here
653
00:38:23,168 --> 00:38:25,002
before you call
the authorities."
654
00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:27,588
And so he took her
to the bedroom,
655
00:38:27,681 --> 00:38:29,173
tied her up.
656
00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:30,341
He leaned over
and whispered into her ear,
657
00:38:30,425 --> 00:38:32,176
"I'm BTK.
I'm a bad dude."
658
00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:34,011
♪ ♪
659
00:38:34,096 --> 00:38:35,938
- A lot of people think
it's the inflicting the pain
660
00:38:36,098 --> 00:38:38,441
they enjoy,
but that's just a tool.
661
00:38:38,525 --> 00:38:40,768
The worry, the fear,
the suffering.
662
00:38:40,861 --> 00:38:42,695
That's what he really enjoyed.
663
00:38:42,854 --> 00:38:44,605
♪ ♪
664
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:48,284
- I'm sure then,
she knew she was doomed.
665
00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:51,704
I shudder to think about it.
666
00:38:51,863 --> 00:38:55,375
Killed her with her own
pantyhose,
667
00:38:55,534 --> 00:38:57,284
in her own bedroom.
668
00:38:57,369 --> 00:39:01,956
So just--
The terror is palpable.
669
00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:04,375
♪ ♪
670
00:39:04,459 --> 00:39:07,545
- He took her body
to a location.
671
00:39:07,638 --> 00:39:10,047
Country road under a bridge.
672
00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:12,975
And there he posed her
in different positions,
673
00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:14,051
took some pictures.
674
00:39:14,136 --> 00:39:16,646
[camera clicks]
675
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:20,149
- After Rader hid
Dolores Davis' body,
676
00:39:20,234 --> 00:39:23,227
he went back to the Scout camp
and snuck back in.
677
00:39:23,311 --> 00:39:25,321
♪ ♪
678
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,825
A missing persons report had
been filed for Dolores Davis
679
00:39:28,984 --> 00:39:32,412
by her boyfriend the morning
after she disappeared.
680
00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:34,914
When police saw her
broken window
681
00:39:34,998 --> 00:39:37,583
and that a jewelry box
was missing,
682
00:39:37,668 --> 00:39:39,660
they put out
an all-points bulletin
683
00:39:39,753 --> 00:39:42,079
searching for a perpetrator.
684
00:39:42,164 --> 00:39:44,081
♪ ♪
685
00:39:44,174 --> 00:39:46,259
Rader sneaks out
of the Boy Scout camp again
686
00:39:46,418 --> 00:39:50,087
the next night
to go back to the body.
687
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,765
It's still bound
with the pantyhose and whatnot,
688
00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:54,091
but nobody
has discovered it yet.
689
00:39:54,176 --> 00:39:55,759
♪ ♪
690
00:39:55,844 --> 00:39:57,687
On the way back
to camp this time,
691
00:39:57,846 --> 00:40:00,022
Rader goes to a rest area
692
00:40:00,182 --> 00:40:01,524
to change his clothes back
693
00:40:01,683 --> 00:40:04,861
into his Boy Scout
leader clothes,
694
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:09,940
and when he's in the stall,
a trooper comes in.
695
00:40:10,025 --> 00:40:11,701
Trooper says,
"A crime has happened.
696
00:40:11,785 --> 00:40:14,028
We're looking for people
who just look out of place."
697
00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:15,946
Rader was worried,
because at this point,
698
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:18,374
he had the jewelry box
in the car,
699
00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:22,203
and he knew if they asked to
look in the trunk of the car,
700
00:40:22,296 --> 00:40:26,382
they would see those items
that were clearly not his
701
00:40:26,541 --> 00:40:29,802
and were--would have then been
related back to Dolores Davis.
702
00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:45,476
- So Rader talks about
the Boy Scout camp nearby.
703
00:40:45,569 --> 00:40:48,321
"I'm just here,
on my way back to it."
704
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,490
Trooper says, "Okay.
705
00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,992
You're not the kind of person
we're looking for."
706
00:40:53,076 --> 00:40:55,912
And Rader goes back
to the Boy Scout camp
707
00:40:55,996 --> 00:40:57,821
and is not a suspect
in this crime.
708
00:40:57,906 --> 00:40:59,240
♪ ♪
709
00:40:59,324 --> 00:41:01,158
Rader made him feel like,
710
00:41:01,243 --> 00:41:03,419
well, an ordinary guy like this
711
00:41:03,578 --> 00:41:05,246
who volunteers
for the Boy Scouts
712
00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:09,166
couldn't possibly be
the person we're looking for.
713
00:41:09,251 --> 00:41:11,669
If your job was
to question everybody
714
00:41:11,753 --> 00:41:13,846
and look in their cars,
715
00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:16,674
then you do that
even with somebody
716
00:41:16,767 --> 00:41:18,851
who volunteers
for the Boy Scouts.
717
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:20,928
♪ ♪
718
00:41:21,012 --> 00:41:24,848
If I were using this case
to inform law enforcement,
719
00:41:24,933 --> 00:41:27,851
I would show
how an officer in the case
720
00:41:27,945 --> 00:41:33,691
actually made an error
that let Rader go free,
721
00:41:33,784 --> 00:41:37,528
because he adhered
to the stereotypes.
722
00:41:37,612 --> 00:41:39,697
♪ ♪
723
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:43,033
- The enormity
of what I was afraid
724
00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:44,535
had happened, had happened.
725
00:41:44,619 --> 00:41:46,537
♪ ♪
726
00:41:46,621 --> 00:41:50,216
Part of the frustration
and the pain
727
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,294
was the fact
that we knew so little.
728
00:41:53,378 --> 00:41:55,212
We had no witnesses.
729
00:41:55,305 --> 00:41:57,047
The car was clean of prints.
730
00:41:57,132 --> 00:41:59,383
There was nothing in the house.
731
00:41:59,467 --> 00:42:01,802
They had nothing
to go on really.
732
00:42:01,895 --> 00:42:04,054
♪ ♪
733
00:42:04,139 --> 00:42:06,974
- The police did
consider that, certainly,
734
00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:10,736
Hedge and Davis
were part of BTK.
735
00:42:10,895 --> 00:42:13,406
I think they even
thought Wegerle might be,
736
00:42:13,565 --> 00:42:15,566
but there were
a lot of differences.
737
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:19,820
Why would there be so much time
between #9 and #10?
738
00:42:19,913 --> 00:42:22,740
It didn't make any sense,
at the time.
739
00:42:22,824 --> 00:42:24,500
♪ ♪
740
00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,661
- What we didn't know is BTK
741
00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:29,496
was going to the store with us,
742
00:42:29,581 --> 00:42:33,000
he was eating popcorn
at the movies with us,
743
00:42:33,084 --> 00:42:34,918
he was going to church with us.
744
00:42:35,003 --> 00:42:37,921
He was the guy next door.
745
00:42:38,006 --> 00:42:39,506
♪ ♪
746
00:42:39,591 --> 00:42:41,767
- I can't tell you,
747
00:42:41,926 --> 00:42:44,595
when BTK reappeared,
748
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:48,265
how shocked everybody was.
749
00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:50,109
♪ ♪
750
00:42:51,853 --> 00:42:53,195
[dramatic music]
751
00:42:53,355 --> 00:42:54,521
- Well,
we didn't know if BTK was
752
00:42:54,615 --> 00:42:56,357
gonna show up in our bedroom.
753
00:42:56,441 --> 00:42:59,360
- I can't even describe
how frightening it was.
754
00:42:59,444 --> 00:43:00,944
- He had followed me home,
755
00:43:01,038 --> 00:43:02,747
and then he started stalking me.
756
00:43:07,202 --> 00:43:08,377
♪ ♪
757
00:43:08,462 --> 00:43:09,703
- That was our first sighting
758
00:43:09,788 --> 00:43:12,131
of what we believed was BTK.
759
00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:19,463
- Dennis Rader has gotten away
with this for 30 years.
760
00:43:19,556 --> 00:43:22,633
- We were in the newsroom
going, "Oh, my gosh."
761
00:43:22,717 --> 00:43:24,393
♪ ♪
762
00:43:24,552 --> 00:43:26,979
- It regenerated the fear
in Wichita.
763
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:32,810
- That was one of those moments,
764
00:43:32,894 --> 00:43:35,396
you were just ecstatic.
765
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- My name is Cheryl Sarkozy.
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I'm a survivor of BTK.
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