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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,547 --> 00:00:10,947 On the 21st of December, 1978, 2 00:00:11,027 --> 00:00:13,477 police in Chicago were desperately trying 3 00:00:13,321 --> 00:00:15,471 to locate a missing teenager 4 00:00:15,547 --> 00:00:17,507 and had begun searching the home 5 00:00:17,581 --> 00:00:20,511 of a local maintenance contractor. 6 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:21,997 When they executed that search warrant, 7 00:00:22,074 --> 00:00:25,524 they went in the crawl space, and the very first shovel 8 00:00:25,594 --> 00:00:28,734 that they dug, they found human remains. 9 00:00:28,808 --> 00:00:30,438 The man they had in custody, 10 00:00:30,514 --> 00:00:33,044 36yearold John Wayne Gacy, 11 00:00:33,114 --> 00:00:36,404 was a popular socialite who spent his weekends 12 00:00:36,474 --> 00:00:39,974 dressed as a clown entertaining children. 13 00:00:40,048 --> 00:00:42,998 At one point, chillingly, he says to the detectives, 14 00:00:43,074 --> 00:00:45,454 "You know, clowns can get away with murder." 15 00:00:45,527 --> 00:00:48,037 Well, never was a truer word said. 16 00:00:48,114 --> 00:00:51,674 In total, Gacy the killer clown 17 00:00:51,748 --> 00:00:54,108 had tortured and killed 33 young men 18 00:00:54,181 --> 00:00:56,951 over a 5year period. 19 00:00:57,028 --> 00:01:01,528 27 of the bodies were buried right beneath his own home. 20 00:01:01,601 --> 00:01:04,291 Using other human beings, 21 00:01:04,367 --> 00:01:08,007 you know, inflicting pain and suffering and torture 22 00:01:08,088 --> 00:01:10,048 on another helpless human being, 23 00:01:10,121 --> 00:01:12,421 to me, is the essence of evil. 24 00:01:12,494 --> 00:01:16,304 The remorseless John Wayne Gacy had proved himself 25 00:01:16,374 --> 00:01:20,074 to be one of the world's most evil killers. 26 00:01:40,987 --> 00:01:43,327 Over the course of six years, 27 00:01:43,407 --> 00:01:46,747 John Wayne Gacy kidnapped, tortured, 28 00:01:46,821 --> 00:01:50,201 and brutally murdered 33 young men and boys 29 00:01:50,274 --> 00:01:53,924 in and around Chicago, Illinois. 30 00:01:53,994 --> 00:01:57,094 It was one of the most shocking sets of crimes 31 00:01:57,168 --> 00:01:59,038 in American history. 32 00:01:59,114 --> 00:02:02,594 The bodies of 27 of Gacy's victims 33 00:02:02,661 --> 00:02:07,191 were buried directly below the house he lived in. 34 00:02:07,261 --> 00:02:12,451 But this killer's story starts almost 40 years before. 35 00:02:14,767 --> 00:02:18,267 John Wayne Gacy was born in Chicago, Illinois, 36 00:02:18,347 --> 00:02:22,277 on the 17th of March 1942. 37 00:02:22,354 --> 00:02:25,994 The second of three children, Gacy had a difficult upbringing. 38 00:02:26,067 --> 00:02:30,177 His father was an alcoholic who was reportedly both mentally 39 00:02:30,254 --> 00:02:33,794 and physically abusive to his children and their mother. 40 00:02:33,867 --> 00:02:39,437 His father spent apparently all of Gacy's childhood 41 00:02:39,514 --> 00:02:42,254 demeaning him and physically punishing him 42 00:02:42,327 --> 00:02:45,407 and telling him how stupid and worthless 43 00:02:45,481 --> 00:02:47,961 and effeminate he was. 44 00:02:48,034 --> 00:02:50,834 Gacy's childhood friend, Barry Boschelli, 45 00:02:50,907 --> 00:02:53,397 remembers the physical abuse he suffered 46 00:02:53,474 --> 00:02:55,704 at the hands of his father. 47 00:02:55,441 --> 00:02:58,691 If Johnny was two minutes late, no food. 48 00:02:58,401 --> 00:03:01,141 So a lot of times, Johnny ate at our house 49 00:03:01,081 --> 00:03:02,971 and stayed at our house overnight. 50 00:03:03,047 --> 00:03:04,367 He used to take Johnny 51 00:03:04,447 --> 00:03:06,467 when he was sitting at the kitchen table, 52 00:03:06,547 --> 00:03:10,117 and he would take his fists and hit Johnny in the face. 53 00:03:09,961 --> 00:03:14,191 The father is a very significant figure 54 00:03:14,267 --> 00:03:19,777 in the genesis of Gacy's terrible deeds. 55 00:03:19,854 --> 00:03:24,614 For to my mind, Gacy was always trying to satisfy his father, 56 00:03:24,681 --> 00:03:26,381 whom he never could. 57 00:03:26,454 --> 00:03:31,554 He was beaten repeatedly by his father 58 00:03:31,627 --> 00:03:33,427 with belts, with brooms. 59 00:03:33,507 --> 00:03:36,617 At one stage, he was knocked out by him. 60 00:03:36,361 --> 00:03:39,481 These people grow up with such a malignant view 61 00:03:39,554 --> 00:03:43,054 of the world and of human relationships, 62 00:03:43,121 --> 00:03:46,331 feeling that human relationships are not based on love 63 00:03:46,401 --> 00:03:48,181 and trust and respect, 64 00:03:48,254 --> 00:03:51,704 you know, that they're all based on exploitation and cruelty 65 00:03:51,774 --> 00:03:53,114 and inflicting pain. 66 00:03:53,181 --> 00:03:54,971 Gacy was a sickly child. 67 00:03:55,041 --> 00:03:57,171 He suffered from a heart condition, 68 00:03:57,241 --> 00:03:59,911 limiting his involvement in sports activities 69 00:03:59,981 --> 00:04:03,631 and consequently, alienating him from his peers. 70 00:04:03,701 --> 00:04:06,211 Aged 11, an accident in a playground 71 00:04:06,081 --> 00:04:08,031 led to his teenage years 72 00:04:08,101 --> 00:04:11,511 being blighted by blackouts and hospital visits. 73 00:04:11,581 --> 00:04:14,611 At that time, the swings were wooded base swings 74 00:04:14,681 --> 00:04:16,901 with heavy chains coming down. 75 00:04:16,974 --> 00:04:18,544 Johnny went to grab it, 76 00:04:18,614 --> 00:04:21,714 and the swing clipped him right across the forehead 77 00:04:21,787 --> 00:04:26,427 and knocked him to the ground. 78 00:04:26,507 --> 00:04:30,877 By 1966, 24yearold Gacy was married 79 00:04:30,954 --> 00:04:33,964 and had relocated to the city of Waterloo, 80 00:04:34,034 --> 00:04:36,494 300 miles west of Chicago 81 00:04:36,568 --> 00:04:39,768 in the neighboring state of Iowa. 82 00:04:39,848 --> 00:04:41,808 Well, Gacy got married, and life from the outside 83 00:04:41,887 --> 00:04:44,047 appeared to be relatively normal. 84 00:04:43,761 --> 00:04:45,841 He had quite a good job. 85 00:04:45,481 --> 00:04:47,481 His wife had two children. 86 00:04:47,554 --> 00:04:49,004 So they appeared to be 87 00:04:49,074 --> 00:04:52,874 the typical, cerealbox, American nuclear family. 88 00:04:52,941 --> 00:04:55,811 And Gacy wasn't just a regular family man. 89 00:04:55,881 --> 00:04:59,001 He was also quite active in the local Chamber of Commerce, 90 00:04:59,074 --> 00:05:01,004 and he played quite an active role. 91 00:05:01,074 --> 00:05:04,134 And he was a real figure in the local community. 92 00:05:04,201 --> 00:05:07,751 Gacy had started to build the perfect life for himself, 93 00:05:07,827 --> 00:05:10,737 but he was concealing a dark secret. 94 00:05:10,814 --> 00:05:15,194 He developed an unhealthy sexual interest in young boys. 95 00:05:15,261 --> 00:05:18,801 It was a son of a fellow J.C. member 96 00:05:18,874 --> 00:05:22,754 who he lured back to his home, and he sexually assaulted. 97 00:05:22,821 --> 00:05:24,851 So he's abusing power. 98 00:05:24,927 --> 00:05:26,977 He's getting into these positions of trust, 99 00:05:26,921 --> 00:05:29,041 and he's taking advantage. 100 00:05:29,114 --> 00:05:32,074 That's a theme that's gonna continue for him. 101 00:05:32,141 --> 00:05:34,571 And then when the kid 102 00:05:34,648 --> 00:05:37,368 revealed this to his father, 103 00:05:37,447 --> 00:05:39,697 and Gacy was arrested for it, 104 00:05:39,641 --> 00:05:44,491 Gacy hired another teenager to intimidate this kid, 105 00:05:44,361 --> 00:05:47,701 to lure this kid into some remote place 106 00:05:47,774 --> 00:05:49,744 and spray mace in his eyes and beat him up 107 00:05:49,814 --> 00:05:53,554 and warn him against testifying in Gacy's case. 108 00:05:53,627 --> 00:05:57,607 Despite Gacy's efforts his victim still testified, 109 00:05:57,521 --> 00:06:00,541 but there wasn't conclusive proof of an attack. 110 00:06:00,614 --> 00:06:02,864 Therefore, police were only able to charge him 111 00:06:02,934 --> 00:06:06,034 with sodomy of the 15yearold boy. 112 00:06:06,107 --> 00:06:08,407 He pleaded guilty to one count of sodomy 113 00:06:08,488 --> 00:06:12,228 thinking he would get a very, very minimal sentence, 114 00:06:12,307 --> 00:06:14,707 but the judge threw the book at him, 115 00:06:14,788 --> 00:06:17,088 and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. 116 00:06:17,168 --> 00:06:20,128 On the 3rd of December 1968, 117 00:06:20,201 --> 00:06:24,011 Gacy was sent to Anamosa State Penitentiary. 118 00:06:24,081 --> 00:06:27,631 Whilst in jail, Gacy's wife divorced him. 119 00:06:27,701 --> 00:06:30,341 A further blow was dealt when his father died, 120 00:06:30,414 --> 00:06:34,264 and he was denied permission to attend the funeral. 121 00:06:34,334 --> 00:06:39,024 Given the perfect nature of Gacy's ability 122 00:06:39,094 --> 00:06:43,114 to groom whomever he came into contact with, 123 00:06:43,181 --> 00:06:45,931 within a matter of months, 124 00:06:46,001 --> 00:06:49,321 Gacy had become head cook at the prison, 125 00:06:49,394 --> 00:06:54,534 had convinced the staff that he was absolutely ideal person. 126 00:06:54,607 --> 00:06:57,767 What's more, then convinced the parole board 127 00:06:57,848 --> 00:07:00,178 that he was no danger to anybody, 128 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:02,994 and so served barely 18 months 129 00:07:03,061 --> 00:07:08,211 of the 10 years of his original sentence. 130 00:07:08,288 --> 00:07:11,108 In June 1970, now age 28, 131 00:07:11,187 --> 00:07:14,107 John Wayne Gacy was released from prison 132 00:07:14,187 --> 00:07:16,857 and returned home to Chicago. 133 00:07:16,934 --> 00:07:19,484 His friends, family, and neighbors 134 00:07:19,554 --> 00:07:22,814 were entirely unaware of what had taken place 135 00:07:22,881 --> 00:07:26,571 while he'd been living over 300 miles away in Iowa. 136 00:07:26,647 --> 00:07:29,337 His background was not looked into in any way, 137 00:07:29,081 --> 00:07:35,141 I think partly because he didn't go into any line of work 138 00:07:35,214 --> 00:07:38,284 in which any kind of background check would've been necessary. 139 00:07:38,354 --> 00:07:40,664 You know, he began his own business. 140 00:07:40,601 --> 00:07:44,181 I mean, none of his acquaintance was even remotely aware 141 00:07:44,254 --> 00:07:46,294 of his criminal background. 142 00:07:46,361 --> 00:07:51,471 In June 1972, Gacy got married for a second time, 143 00:07:51,547 --> 00:07:54,067 and he and his new bride set up home 144 00:07:54,141 --> 00:07:55,991 in the Chicago suburbs 145 00:07:56,061 --> 00:08:00,771 at 8213 West Summerdale Avenue, 146 00:08:00,281 --> 00:08:02,791 a house that would eventually become 147 00:08:02,867 --> 00:08:06,567 one of the most infamous addresses in America. 148 00:08:09,421 --> 00:08:12,841 Six years later, in December 1978, 149 00:08:12,914 --> 00:08:15,294 10 miles from Gacy's house, 150 00:08:15,367 --> 00:08:18,707 15yearold Des Plaines resident Rob Piest 151 00:08:18,281 --> 00:08:21,171 was reported missing by his mother. 152 00:08:21,247 --> 00:08:24,287 Detectives Mike Albrecht and Dave Hachmeister 153 00:08:24,368 --> 00:08:28,738 began to investigate the teen's disappearance. 154 00:08:28,281 --> 00:08:31,471 Rob Piest was, like, a stellar kid. 155 00:08:31,547 --> 00:08:34,897 I mean, he was the kind of kid that anyone would want as a son. 156 00:08:34,974 --> 00:08:37,384 Never been in trouble. 157 00:08:36,921 --> 00:08:38,911 Never had any inclination to run away. 158 00:08:38,981 --> 00:08:40,791 He was a good student. 159 00:08:40,867 --> 00:08:44,717 Very, very much out of character that he would turn up missing. 160 00:08:44,794 --> 00:08:47,074 So, that caught our attention, obviously. 161 00:08:47,147 --> 00:08:48,867 At that time, in the late '70s, 162 00:08:48,941 --> 00:08:51,351 there was a lot of stuff going on with the hippie movement, 163 00:08:51,421 --> 00:08:52,651 all that kind of stuff. 164 00:08:52,721 --> 00:08:55,271 But he made a determination very quickly 165 00:08:55,341 --> 00:08:59,341 that this was not a normal "runaway." 166 00:08:59,414 --> 00:09:00,434 Didn't have any girlfriend problems. 167 00:09:00,501 --> 00:09:02,711 Was not involved in drugs or anything like that. 168 00:09:02,281 --> 00:09:04,321 Just an allAmerican good kid. 169 00:09:04,394 --> 00:09:06,474 At the time of his disappearance, 170 00:09:06,541 --> 00:09:10,541 Piest was working at a pharmacy in Des Plaines. 171 00:09:10,614 --> 00:09:14,474 So he had told an employee and actually his mother 172 00:09:14,541 --> 00:09:17,991 that he was gonna go talk to a contractor about a job. 173 00:09:18,068 --> 00:09:20,568 And he then went out the back door, 174 00:09:20,641 --> 00:09:24,281 and he was not seen any time thereafter. 175 00:09:24,354 --> 00:09:26,654 Rob Piest seemed to have just vanished 176 00:09:26,721 --> 00:09:28,591 off the face of the earth. 177 00:09:28,667 --> 00:09:31,227 The two detectives desperately needed 178 00:09:30,841 --> 00:09:32,641 to track down the contractor 179 00:09:32,714 --> 00:09:35,884 who was probably the last person to see him. 180 00:09:35,954 --> 00:09:39,034 Their search would lead them to the door of a 36yearold man 181 00:09:39,107 --> 00:09:42,427 by the name of John Wayne Gacy. 182 00:09:42,501 --> 00:09:45,481 He'd divorced his second wife two years previously 183 00:09:45,554 --> 00:09:47,764 and was now running a successful business 184 00:09:47,834 --> 00:09:50,114 called P.D.M. Contractors. 185 00:09:50,187 --> 00:09:53,227 Gacy would often employ young men, 186 00:09:53,308 --> 00:09:55,658 one of whom was Tony Antonucci. 187 00:09:55,734 --> 00:09:58,764 At the time when I met him, I was about 16 years old. 188 00:09:58,834 --> 00:10:00,794 And, of course, like a lot of 16yearolds, 189 00:10:00,867 --> 00:10:05,007 I wanted to get a job so I could afford to have my car. 190 00:10:05,088 --> 00:10:09,218 My first impressions were that he was basically a likable guy. 191 00:10:09,294 --> 00:10:13,044 Kind of jovial. Liked to joke around. 192 00:10:13,114 --> 00:10:15,324 You know, appeared very normal. 193 00:10:15,394 --> 00:10:19,894 Gacy seemed in many ways like the perfect boss. 194 00:10:19,961 --> 00:10:22,991 Sometimes at 3:00 in the afternoon, 195 00:10:23,067 --> 00:10:25,157 John would say, "Hey, it's a nice day out. 196 00:10:25,234 --> 00:10:29,754 Let's knock off early and have some fun 197 00:10:29,821 --> 00:10:32,721 or do something," all normal stuff, 198 00:10:32,794 --> 00:10:35,964 you know, just kind of You didn't expect your boss 199 00:10:36,034 --> 00:10:41,394 to be the one that wanted to knock off early. 200 00:10:41,461 --> 00:10:43,831 Another young man who'd come looking for a job 201 00:10:43,907 --> 00:10:46,147 was 15yearold Rob Piest, 202 00:10:46,221 --> 00:10:48,941 but he hadn't been seen since meeting with Gacy 203 00:10:49,014 --> 00:10:52,444 at the pharmacy where he worked. 204 00:10:52,514 --> 00:10:55,224 Detectives David Hachmeister and Mike Albrecht 205 00:10:55,294 --> 00:10:57,094 were investigating. 206 00:10:57,161 --> 00:10:59,731 We ran a records check on him, and as it turns out, 207 00:10:59,808 --> 00:11:02,568 he had a fairly lengthy background. 208 00:11:02,647 --> 00:11:07,147 He had spent some time in Iowa for sodomy, 209 00:11:07,221 --> 00:11:11,971 and so it was sexual crimes, basically, against children. 210 00:11:12,047 --> 00:11:14,867 Concerned by Gacy's criminal record, 211 00:11:14,941 --> 00:11:17,861 the police obtained a warrant to search his home. 212 00:11:17,934 --> 00:11:21,014 The warrant consisted of three facts. 213 00:11:21,088 --> 00:11:23,948 The first fact is that John Wayne Gacy, in fact, 214 00:11:24,021 --> 00:11:28,071 was at the pharmacy the night Rob Piest went missing. 215 00:11:27,881 --> 00:11:31,821 And, fact two, that Rob Piest had told people 216 00:11:31,561 --> 00:11:36,031 that he was going to see a contractor regarding a job. 217 00:11:36,101 --> 00:11:38,871 And, fact three, his criminal background. 218 00:11:38,941 --> 00:11:40,561 So on those three facts, 219 00:11:40,634 --> 00:11:42,244 they were able to obtain a search warrant. 220 00:11:42,314 --> 00:11:45,714 On the 13th of December 1978, 221 00:11:45,781 --> 00:11:48,681 police conducted their first search of Gacy's home 222 00:11:48,754 --> 00:11:52,574 finding a number of suspicious items. 223 00:11:52,647 --> 00:11:55,907 They recovered various items of pornography. 224 00:11:55,981 --> 00:11:58,531 They recovered some books 225 00:11:58,241 --> 00:12:02,571 that were titled "Pretty Boys Must Die." 226 00:12:02,481 --> 00:12:05,961 They also recovered driver's licenses of other young people, 227 00:12:06,034 --> 00:12:08,874 and they did a check on those driver's licenses. 228 00:12:08,641 --> 00:12:12,871 It was determined that those kids were also reported missing. 229 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:16,281 Initially, we're hoping to find Rob Piest alive someplace. 230 00:12:16,354 --> 00:12:17,534 And it didn't take long to realize 231 00:12:17,601 --> 00:12:20,471 that probably was not gonna happen. 232 00:12:20,541 --> 00:12:23,871 Another item recovered was a highschool ring 233 00:12:23,947 --> 00:12:27,177 which had belonged to missing 19yearold John Szyc, 234 00:12:27,254 --> 00:12:31,474 last seen in January 1977. 235 00:12:31,547 --> 00:12:33,877 Further investigation discovered 236 00:12:33,954 --> 00:12:38,134 that two of Gacy's employees had been reported missing 237 00:12:38,201 --> 00:12:43,661 17yearold John Butkovich, last seen in July 1975, 238 00:12:43,734 --> 00:12:47,314 and Gregory Godzik, also 17 years old, 239 00:12:46,881 --> 00:12:50,351 missing since December 1976. 240 00:12:50,427 --> 00:12:52,457 It was an evolution as we went along. 241 00:12:52,534 --> 00:12:55,974 I think, you know, it was after that search warrant, 242 00:12:56,047 --> 00:12:59,937 we're pretty confident there is at least five or six victims 243 00:13:00,014 --> 00:13:02,824 that were associated with Gacy that haven't been seen. 244 00:13:02,894 --> 00:13:04,984 But with no evidence or bodies, 245 00:13:05,054 --> 00:13:07,514 the police could not make an arrest. 246 00:13:07,281 --> 00:13:10,711 They decided to begin surveillance on Gacy. 247 00:13:10,781 --> 00:13:13,131 We just said, "Wherever you go, we're going." 248 00:13:13,041 --> 00:13:15,421 If Gacy went into a public place, 249 00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:18,324 we were gonna follow him in and see what he was up to. 250 00:13:18,394 --> 00:13:20,504 Throughout this overt surveillance, 251 00:13:20,574 --> 00:13:24,124 we became fairly friendly with John Wayne Gacy. 252 00:13:24,194 --> 00:13:26,614 He knew we were following him. 253 00:13:26,687 --> 00:13:28,347 He tried to be cordial with us. 254 00:13:28,427 --> 00:13:32,067 In fact, he initiated conversations with us. 255 00:13:32,147 --> 00:13:33,927 He'd play games with the police. 256 00:13:34,001 --> 00:13:35,651 He'd go up to their car and say, 257 00:13:35,728 --> 00:13:38,348 "Hi. Do you guys want some marijuana?" 258 00:13:38,427 --> 00:13:41,257 or just something stupid like that. 259 00:13:41,334 --> 00:13:42,354 He goes into Moose Lodge, 260 00:13:42,427 --> 00:13:44,827 and Mike and I, my partner and I said, 261 00:13:44,907 --> 00:13:46,647 "We're gonna go in right along with Gacy, 262 00:13:46,721 --> 00:13:48,411 but we'll sit at a different table." 263 00:13:48,281 --> 00:13:50,381 All of a sudden, the waitress comes over 264 00:13:50,321 --> 00:13:51,781 with a couple of beers 265 00:13:51,854 --> 00:13:53,634 and places the beers in front of us 266 00:13:53,707 --> 00:13:55,627 and says, "It's on that gentleman over there." 267 00:13:55,707 --> 00:13:58,747 We look over at John, and John gives us the "Hi" sign. 268 00:13:58,827 --> 00:14:00,787 And we wave back. 269 00:14:00,867 --> 00:14:02,717 Very confident, cocky. 270 00:14:02,794 --> 00:14:04,574 Kept on bragging about all property 271 00:14:04,281 --> 00:14:06,181 and how much of a businessman he was 272 00:14:06,254 --> 00:14:09,954 and how well connected he was. 273 00:14:09,561 --> 00:14:12,431 John Wayne Gacy had a psychopathic personality. 274 00:14:12,501 --> 00:14:16,071 So he really does seek out power, and he seeks out control, 275 00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:17,407 and he likes playing with people. 276 00:14:17,487 --> 00:14:19,837 He's a bit of a puppet master. 277 00:14:19,914 --> 00:14:22,634 And I think that was driving his behavior. 278 00:14:22,701 --> 00:14:25,631 Everyone that we talked to just loved John Wayne Gacy. 279 00:14:25,701 --> 00:14:29,571 His neighbors, his coworkers, all of his associates, 280 00:14:29,441 --> 00:14:32,491 they loved the guy. And we could see that. 281 00:14:32,568 --> 00:14:34,468 I mean, the way he was interacting with us 282 00:14:34,281 --> 00:14:36,491 was basically the same. 283 00:14:36,568 --> 00:14:39,868 And my partner and I would have to on many occasions 284 00:14:39,941 --> 00:14:42,051 remind one another, "Hey, listen. 285 00:14:42,121 --> 00:14:44,301 This guy is dangerous." 286 00:14:44,374 --> 00:14:47,274 Gacy was considered an upstanding, key member 287 00:14:47,347 --> 00:14:48,927 of his small community. 288 00:14:49,001 --> 00:14:51,911 He was popular and involved in politics. 289 00:14:51,981 --> 00:14:54,741 At weekends, he would even dress as a clown 290 00:14:54,814 --> 00:14:56,644 and perform for children at parties 291 00:14:56,714 --> 00:14:59,544 and at local hospitals. 292 00:14:59,614 --> 00:15:02,814 The fact that Gacy had this other persona 293 00:15:02,888 --> 00:15:04,518 as Pogo the Clown 294 00:15:04,594 --> 00:15:07,674 Professional clowns usually, you know, 295 00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:10,451 will paint their smiles 296 00:15:10,521 --> 00:15:15,111 with sort of gentle, circular things around their lips. 297 00:15:15,181 --> 00:15:18,151 Gacy's smile looks like bat wings. 298 00:15:17,561 --> 00:15:20,811 There's just something horrifically sinister 299 00:15:20,888 --> 00:15:22,518 and monstrous 300 00:15:22,594 --> 00:15:25,384 about this figure of Pogo. 301 00:15:25,454 --> 00:15:29,534 Just an element that raises Gacy to the level 302 00:15:29,608 --> 00:15:32,348 of a kind of mythic American monster. 303 00:15:32,428 --> 00:15:35,548 At one point, chillingly, he says to the detectives, 304 00:15:35,361 --> 00:15:37,761 "You know, clowns can get away with murder." 305 00:15:37,834 --> 00:15:40,404 Well, never was a truer word said. 306 00:15:40,474 --> 00:15:42,234 But it took some time 307 00:15:42,301 --> 00:15:44,871 for those detectives to fully comprehend 308 00:15:44,947 --> 00:15:47,997 that here was a man who was capable of murder 309 00:15:48,074 --> 00:15:50,084 and more than one. 310 00:15:50,154 --> 00:15:53,114 As Mike and Dave continued with their surveillance, 311 00:15:53,181 --> 00:15:55,111 detectives back at the station 312 00:15:55,181 --> 00:15:56,671 were trying to get another warrant 313 00:15:56,741 --> 00:15:58,581 to search Gacy's house. 314 00:15:58,654 --> 00:16:01,584 They'd received some disturbing new evidence 315 00:16:01,654 --> 00:16:04,364 while questioning his colleagues. 316 00:16:04,434 --> 00:16:07,434 They were young kids, you know, 17, 18, 19 years old. 317 00:16:07,507 --> 00:16:11,907 And at times he, Gacy, had ordered this young kids 318 00:16:11,987 --> 00:16:15,877 to go down into his crawl space of his home and dig trenches. 319 00:16:15,954 --> 00:16:20,294 And he had told them that there was a sewage issue 320 00:16:20,361 --> 00:16:22,831 and that he needed the trenches dug 321 00:16:22,907 --> 00:16:26,397 so he could alleviate that situation. 322 00:16:26,474 --> 00:16:28,904 But they said that it happened several times 323 00:16:28,974 --> 00:16:30,194 and that there was an odor down there 324 00:16:30,261 --> 00:16:32,641 that was just unbelievable. 325 00:16:32,714 --> 00:16:35,254 So now we're starting to believe, hey, is that possible? 326 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:37,761 I know it sounds crazy, but is it possible 327 00:16:37,834 --> 00:16:40,524 he could've buried someone in the crawl space? 328 00:16:40,594 --> 00:16:43,094 He gets other people unwittingly involved 329 00:16:43,161 --> 00:16:44,371 in his offending, 330 00:16:44,447 --> 00:16:47,897 and they don't know anything of what's going on. 331 00:16:47,974 --> 00:16:50,084 I think that's what gets him gratification 332 00:16:50,154 --> 00:16:52,814 the fact that he has such power over other people 333 00:16:52,888 --> 00:16:54,558 that they're not joining the dots together 334 00:16:54,634 --> 00:16:57,834 and that he's able to hide in plain sight. 335 00:16:57,907 --> 00:17:01,987 Mike and Dave continued to follow the popular contractor, 336 00:17:02,061 --> 00:17:06,151 but they had a plan to force Gacy's hand. 337 00:17:06,227 --> 00:17:09,147 We were on the surveillance for about seven days. 338 00:17:09,227 --> 00:17:12,627 And as the surveillance progressed, what we found out 339 00:17:12,701 --> 00:17:16,521 was that he had this huge core support 340 00:17:16,594 --> 00:17:20,054 of friends and family and coworkers and such, 341 00:17:19,761 --> 00:17:23,191 and that that is really what was the barrier 342 00:17:22,801 --> 00:17:26,151 between us and Gacy. 343 00:17:26,227 --> 00:17:29,047 So we developed a plan for the investigators 344 00:17:29,121 --> 00:17:30,561 to put some pressure 345 00:17:30,634 --> 00:17:33,194 on all these people that were supporting him, 346 00:17:33,261 --> 00:17:36,951 and slowly, they started peeling back from Gacy. 347 00:17:37,027 --> 00:17:39,927 And we were feeding Gacy information 348 00:17:40,001 --> 00:17:44,711 that there's possibly looking to execute a second search warrant. 349 00:17:44,781 --> 00:17:47,051 He became more and more desperate. 350 00:17:46,721 --> 00:17:50,451 And the last day, 351 00:17:50,521 --> 00:17:52,891 it was about midnight or 1:00 in the morning, 352 00:17:52,561 --> 00:17:55,011 he contacted his attorneys 353 00:17:55,081 --> 00:17:59,361 and met his attorneys in their office in Park Ridge. 354 00:17:59,201 --> 00:18:02,081 At that point, Mike and I are outside, 355 00:18:02,154 --> 00:18:05,654 and we see the attorneys waving us into the building. 356 00:18:05,727 --> 00:18:08,917 It was very uncharacteristic of the attorneys to do this. 357 00:18:08,994 --> 00:18:10,894 First thing they were telling us, though, is to park your cars 358 00:18:10,561 --> 00:18:12,561 in front of Gacy's and don't let him out. 359 00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:14,634 If he tries to move, shoot his tires out. 360 00:18:14,701 --> 00:18:16,151 You know, what's going on here? 361 00:18:16,227 --> 00:18:19,327 It was very obvious to us that the attorneys 362 00:18:19,201 --> 00:18:22,081 were absolutely scared to death, petrified. 363 00:18:22,154 --> 00:18:23,354 They're pacing up and down. 364 00:18:23,427 --> 00:18:25,447 They won't take their eyes off of Gacy. 365 00:18:25,527 --> 00:18:28,147 And that pretty much solidified the fact to us 366 00:18:28,227 --> 00:18:30,307 that he had confessed to his attorneys 367 00:18:29,881 --> 00:18:33,661 about at least a couple, three murders. 368 00:18:33,734 --> 00:18:37,204 Dave and Mike knew that Gacy was beginning to buckle. 369 00:18:37,274 --> 00:18:41,804 They continued to trail him as he left his attorneys' office. 370 00:18:41,441 --> 00:18:45,751 So we followed Gacy, and Gacy is driving like a madman. 371 00:18:45,821 --> 00:18:48,351 And he drives to the Shell gas station 372 00:18:48,427 --> 00:18:50,197 where he did all of his business. 373 00:18:50,274 --> 00:18:51,634 He goes in, 374 00:18:51,701 --> 00:18:55,591 and we see a transaction happen in the gas station. 375 00:18:55,667 --> 00:18:59,367 Was very emotional, shaking his hand almost on the side, 376 00:18:59,041 --> 00:19:00,301 hugging, that kind of thing. 377 00:19:00,374 --> 00:19:03,244 And this was a lot of contact for Gacy. 378 00:19:03,314 --> 00:19:07,134 So when Gacy comes back out, jumps in his car, and takes off, 379 00:19:07,207 --> 00:19:09,047 I go back in the gas station. 380 00:19:09,127 --> 00:19:10,477 And when I go in there, 381 00:19:10,554 --> 00:19:13,794 they throw a couple of bags of marijuana at me, 382 00:19:13,861 --> 00:19:15,571 the employees, and they say, "Hey, listen. 383 00:19:15,641 --> 00:19:17,781 We didn't buy this. We didn't ask for it. 384 00:19:17,854 --> 00:19:19,764 Gacy just gave it to us." 385 00:19:19,834 --> 00:19:23,204 As Gacy's behavior grew more and more erratic, 386 00:19:23,274 --> 00:19:27,954 the two detectives at least now had a reason to apprehend him. 387 00:19:28,027 --> 00:19:30,027 We make a decision at that point 388 00:19:30,101 --> 00:19:32,061 to arrest him for the drug transaction 389 00:19:32,134 --> 00:19:34,304 that happened at the Shell gas station. 390 00:19:34,374 --> 00:19:37,034 So we cut off the car, pull Gacy out of the car, 391 00:19:37,101 --> 00:19:39,291 and arrest him for the drug transaction. 392 00:19:44,601 --> 00:19:46,471 Devon and Milwaukee. 393 00:19:46,541 --> 00:19:50,051 This was Gacy's final location of freedom. 394 00:19:50,121 --> 00:19:51,271 That's it. 395 00:19:51,341 --> 00:19:52,941 He was never free from this point on. 396 00:19:53,014 --> 00:19:56,184 Grabbed him out of the car. He was all whining to us. 397 00:19:56,121 --> 00:19:57,621 "Why you doing this to me?" and all that. 398 00:19:57,694 --> 00:20:00,694 And that's where it ended. 399 00:20:00,767 --> 00:20:02,077 So, technically he was arrested 400 00:20:02,154 --> 00:20:05,774 for marijuana possession and delivery. 401 00:20:05,841 --> 00:20:08,081 Then we took him to the station. 402 00:20:08,154 --> 00:20:11,134 While in custody, Gacy told detectives 403 00:20:11,201 --> 00:20:13,371 he was experiencing chest pains 404 00:20:13,447 --> 00:20:16,707 and was taken to a local hospital as a precaution. 405 00:20:16,781 --> 00:20:19,351 But he was just trying to buy some more time. 406 00:20:19,427 --> 00:20:21,827 The police had obtained the second warrant 407 00:20:21,901 --> 00:20:24,421 they'd been so desperate for. 408 00:20:24,361 --> 00:20:28,091 On the 21st of December, 1978, 409 00:20:28,167 --> 00:20:31,147 they searched Gacy's home on West Summerdale Avenue 410 00:20:31,227 --> 00:20:33,387 for the second time. 411 00:20:33,467 --> 00:20:35,077 When they executed that search warrant, 412 00:20:34,921 --> 00:20:38,371 they went in the crawl space, and the very first shovel 413 00:20:38,447 --> 00:20:42,647 that they dug, they found human remains. 414 00:20:42,721 --> 00:20:45,371 Police had finally unearthed the secrets 415 00:20:45,441 --> 00:20:49,311 that Gacy had thought would stay buried forever. 416 00:20:49,387 --> 00:20:51,247 So they immediately called me, 417 00:20:51,327 --> 00:20:55,157 let me know that there was human remains in the crawl space. 418 00:20:55,234 --> 00:20:58,494 And at that time, I arrested John Gacy for murder. 419 00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:00,521 Gacy says he wants to confess, 420 00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:05,234 but really he wants to confess to the surveillance team, 421 00:21:05,307 --> 00:21:08,667 both myself and my partner and the other team. 422 00:21:08,741 --> 00:21:11,911 And now all of a sudden, he's got an audience again, 423 00:21:11,987 --> 00:21:15,247 and he's on top of the world. 424 00:21:15,328 --> 00:21:17,738 And he knows he can't get out of it at this point, 425 00:21:17,814 --> 00:21:20,884 and so he might as well just divulge 426 00:21:20,954 --> 00:21:22,564 everything that actually happened. 427 00:21:22,634 --> 00:21:24,804 Gacy told detectives he was willing 428 00:21:24,874 --> 00:21:29,214 to draw a map of the burial site beneath his home. 429 00:21:29,287 --> 00:21:31,037 I gave him a pen, and he started right off. 430 00:21:30,881 --> 00:21:32,991 He squared it off in the thing, and he started, 431 00:21:33,067 --> 00:21:34,777 "Well, this was a double, and this was a triple, 432 00:21:34,854 --> 00:21:37,664 and this was the first guy," with a put an X on it. 433 00:21:37,734 --> 00:21:40,374 Went around the whole crawl space 434 00:21:40,447 --> 00:21:44,127 with these places where the body was buried. 435 00:21:44,207 --> 00:21:48,027 I mean, they were digging with spoons and everything. 436 00:21:48,101 --> 00:21:51,991 But they obviously identified where all the bodies were. 437 00:21:51,761 --> 00:21:55,091 And they did an overlay of where the bodies were actually found 438 00:21:55,167 --> 00:21:57,947 compared to that diagram that he made. 439 00:21:58,021 --> 00:22:00,441 And it was unbelievable. It was right on the money. 440 00:22:00,514 --> 00:22:02,734 In total, 27 bodies 441 00:22:02,801 --> 00:22:05,601 were discovered in Gacy's crawl space. 442 00:22:05,674 --> 00:22:09,034 It wouldn't take long for news of this horrific discovery 443 00:22:09,107 --> 00:22:11,897 to filter out to the wider world. 444 00:22:11,974 --> 00:22:13,854 Then the arrest came down. 445 00:22:13,921 --> 00:22:17,651 And that was the headline on the local papers, 446 00:22:17,361 --> 00:22:19,741 how many bodies they took out of Gacy's basement. 447 00:22:19,814 --> 00:22:22,714 Well, you know, when Gacy's crimes were uncovered 448 00:22:22,781 --> 00:22:26,211 he entered into the record books, you know, 449 00:22:25,921 --> 00:22:29,231 as America's most prolific serial murderer. 450 00:22:29,307 --> 00:22:33,737 The notion that this pudgy, 451 00:22:33,814 --> 00:22:36,284 normalseeming, decent, 452 00:22:36,354 --> 00:22:39,034 regular, ordinary guy 453 00:22:39,101 --> 00:22:42,841 was living in this horror house 454 00:22:42,914 --> 00:22:47,634 that was just suffused with the stench of death, 455 00:22:47,707 --> 00:22:49,947 and that there were the rotting bodies 456 00:22:50,021 --> 00:22:53,711 of 27 young men 457 00:22:53,781 --> 00:22:56,051 in this crawl space 458 00:22:56,127 --> 00:22:59,287 bringing home and torturing young boys 459 00:22:59,361 --> 00:23:01,831 right in the midst of all his neighbors 460 00:23:01,901 --> 00:23:04,441 and then going off to work the next day. 461 00:23:04,514 --> 00:23:09,444 When we booked him for murder, we asked Gacy where he was born. 462 00:23:09,514 --> 00:23:11,234 And Gacy looked at us and said, 463 00:23:11,301 --> 00:23:13,671 "I was born in the state of confusion." 464 00:23:13,747 --> 00:23:16,947 And he smiled like that, and we captured the photo. 465 00:23:17,027 --> 00:23:18,347 In total, Gacy confessed 466 00:23:18,427 --> 00:23:22,007 to the murder of 33 young men and boys 467 00:23:22,081 --> 00:23:26,351 between 1972 and 1978. 468 00:23:26,427 --> 00:23:30,247 Gacy preyed on victims who he knew 469 00:23:30,327 --> 00:23:34,947 were not necessarily gonna be missed by any family members, 470 00:23:35,027 --> 00:23:38,787 rootless and homeless teenage boys 471 00:23:38,788 --> 00:23:42,158 who had no families that were going to miss them 472 00:23:42,234 --> 00:23:43,994 or care about their disappearance. 473 00:23:44,061 --> 00:23:45,611 At that time in the late '70s, 474 00:23:45,688 --> 00:23:47,648 kids were running away all the time. 475 00:23:47,727 --> 00:23:49,497 And a lot of these kids were reported missing, 476 00:23:49,574 --> 00:23:51,104 but there was no followup. 477 00:23:51,174 --> 00:23:53,224 As it turns out, he had buried 478 00:23:53,294 --> 00:23:55,964 27 young kids in the crawl space. 479 00:23:56,034 --> 00:23:59,684 He buried one of the young kids outside in his backyard. 480 00:23:59,754 --> 00:24:02,884 And he didn't have any room left on his property, 481 00:24:02,954 --> 00:24:07,094 so he threw five remaining victims in the Des Plains River. 482 00:24:07,161 --> 00:24:08,951 One of the bodies found floating 483 00:24:09,021 --> 00:24:12,301 in the Des Plaines River in April 1979 484 00:24:12,374 --> 00:24:14,224 was that of Rob Piest, 485 00:24:14,294 --> 00:24:16,684 the 15yearold boy whose disappearance 486 00:24:16,321 --> 00:24:19,711 had ultimately led to Gacy's downfall. 487 00:24:19,781 --> 00:24:23,351 He was very descriptive on what he had done with Rob Piest. 488 00:24:23,421 --> 00:24:25,851 Rob Piest's mom was waiting for him 489 00:24:25,927 --> 00:24:27,947 in the front parking lot. 490 00:24:28,027 --> 00:24:29,617 And Rob said to his mom, 491 00:24:29,694 --> 00:24:31,614 "Hey, I'm gonna talk to a contractor about a job. 492 00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:35,067 I'll be right back." He goes back in the pharmacy. 493 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:39,791 Gacy is the back parking lot, the alleyway. 494 00:24:39,867 --> 00:24:43,087 And as Gacy's leaving, Rob follows him outside 495 00:24:43,161 --> 00:24:44,771 and says, "Excuse me, sir. 496 00:24:44,841 --> 00:24:46,591 I understand that you hire young kids. 497 00:24:46,661 --> 00:24:50,551 And I'm really interested in having a different job." 498 00:24:50,627 --> 00:24:52,227 And Gacy says, "Well, jump in the car. 499 00:24:52,307 --> 00:24:54,327 I'll have you fill out an application." 500 00:24:54,407 --> 00:24:59,887 So Gacy actually drives Piest willingly to Gacy's house. 501 00:24:59,961 --> 00:25:03,621 While there, Gacy starts showing Piest 502 00:25:03,694 --> 00:25:08,464 some little tricks of the trade of being a clown. 503 00:25:08,534 --> 00:25:10,604 He shows him a couple of card tricks. 504 00:25:10,441 --> 00:25:15,611 And the last trick that he shows Piest is the handcuff trick. 505 00:25:15,688 --> 00:25:18,948 Gacy actually handcuffs himself and turns around 506 00:25:19,027 --> 00:25:20,797 and struggles with the handcuffs 507 00:25:20,874 --> 00:25:23,754 and then turns back, and he holds the handcuffs up. 508 00:25:23,821 --> 00:25:25,971 And Piest is pretty amazed at that. 509 00:25:26,047 --> 00:25:27,357 He said, "That's neat. 510 00:25:27,434 --> 00:25:30,114 How'd you do that?" So Gacy says, "Well, here. 511 00:25:30,181 --> 00:25:33,771 You handcuff yourself, and I'll show you how to do that." 512 00:25:33,847 --> 00:25:37,437 So Piest handcuffs himself, and he struggles, 513 00:25:37,514 --> 00:25:39,554 and he struggles, and he struggles. 514 00:25:39,627 --> 00:25:42,447 And he looks at Gacy, and he says, 515 00:25:42,527 --> 00:25:44,117 "What's the trick to this?" 516 00:25:44,194 --> 00:25:46,104 And Gacy reaches in his pocket 517 00:25:45,841 --> 00:25:47,871 and pulls out a key to the handcuffs, 518 00:25:47,947 --> 00:25:52,357 and he says, "The trick is, you got to have this key." 519 00:25:52,434 --> 00:25:57,514 This handcuff trick was part of an horrific yet clinical M.O. 520 00:25:57,587 --> 00:26:00,127 Gacy, throughout all of the 33 killings, 521 00:26:00,201 --> 00:26:02,731 had developed a method of killing these young kids. 522 00:26:02,807 --> 00:26:06,267 He would pick up these victims. 523 00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:08,507 Some were kids who worked from him, 524 00:26:08,587 --> 00:26:11,967 but most were teenage runaways. 525 00:26:12,041 --> 00:26:14,051 You know, in bringing them back to his house 526 00:26:13,761 --> 00:26:16,251 and giving them drinks, 527 00:26:16,321 --> 00:26:21,471 he would sort of trick them into handcuffing themselves 528 00:26:21,547 --> 00:26:23,747 or being handcuffed. 529 00:26:23,821 --> 00:26:28,161 Gacy would use chloroform to subdue his victims. 530 00:26:28,234 --> 00:26:31,244 Chloroform's an oldfashioned anesthetic, really, 531 00:26:31,314 --> 00:26:33,454 so it gets into your lungs, 532 00:26:33,521 --> 00:26:36,591 and it just renders you unconscious very effectively. 533 00:26:36,661 --> 00:26:38,951 He did what he called a rope trick. 534 00:26:39,027 --> 00:26:41,807 And when he had these young kids incapacitated like that, 535 00:26:41,881 --> 00:26:44,471 he would slip a rope over their neck, 536 00:26:44,541 --> 00:26:46,321 a knotted rope like a loop, 537 00:26:46,394 --> 00:26:49,314 and then put the stick in the back like a tourniquet. 538 00:26:49,381 --> 00:26:53,391 And he would slowly turn the tourniquet. 539 00:26:53,001 --> 00:26:55,541 He said he had it perfected so well 540 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,714 that he knew exactly how the body would react 541 00:26:57,781 --> 00:26:59,821 to each half turn. 542 00:26:59,894 --> 00:27:01,624 Putting a ligature 'round the neck, 543 00:27:01,694 --> 00:27:04,054 the first thing it's going to block is the blood vessels, 544 00:27:03,561 --> 00:27:06,191 so it prevents blood getting to the brain, 545 00:27:06,267 --> 00:27:09,027 prevents it getting back to the body from the brain. 546 00:27:09,101 --> 00:27:10,671 It's gonna be very uncomfortable, 547 00:27:10,441 --> 00:27:12,351 and it can even render you unconscious 548 00:27:12,421 --> 00:27:15,101 in a small number of seconds. 549 00:27:15,174 --> 00:27:16,314 And he went into detail 550 00:27:16,381 --> 00:27:19,621 on how he would torture these young men. 551 00:27:19,694 --> 00:27:22,924 And he, in fact, did double and triple murders. 552 00:27:22,994 --> 00:27:26,754 He would incapacitate two or three people at a time 553 00:27:26,828 --> 00:27:29,118 and kill one person in front of the other victims, 554 00:27:29,194 --> 00:27:32,194 and then continue to kill the other victims. 555 00:27:32,261 --> 00:27:34,591 And he seemed to be pretty proud of that. 556 00:27:34,661 --> 00:27:37,251 We used that to our advantage to keep him talking, 557 00:27:37,321 --> 00:27:40,911 and he described every killing to a "T," 558 00:27:40,981 --> 00:27:44,191 exactly how it happened, all 33. 559 00:27:43,761 --> 00:27:46,531 As the news broke across the country, 560 00:27:46,608 --> 00:27:47,968 one shocked viewer 561 00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:51,551 who'd unknowingly experienced Gacy's M.O. firsthand 562 00:27:51,627 --> 00:27:55,177 was his exemployee Tony Antonucci. 563 00:27:55,254 --> 00:27:57,454 Whilst working for P.D.M., 564 00:27:57,521 --> 00:28:01,691 Tony has accidentally got a nail stuck in his foot. 565 00:28:01,201 --> 00:28:03,931 John took me, and I got a tetanus shot, 566 00:28:04,001 --> 00:28:06,631 and took me home. 567 00:28:06,707 --> 00:28:09,867 And he came over later that evening 568 00:28:09,947 --> 00:28:13,717 to check on if I was okay, or that was the theory. 569 00:28:13,794 --> 00:28:17,514 But he also had some wine, and we were drinking, 570 00:28:17,581 --> 00:28:19,181 and he was kind of joking around. 571 00:28:19,254 --> 00:28:21,934 It was probably 10:00, 10:30 at night. 572 00:28:22,008 --> 00:28:24,708 I was a highschool wrestler, and he said, 573 00:28:24,781 --> 00:28:26,461 "Oh, you know, you're a big wrestler guy." 574 00:28:26,534 --> 00:28:29,454 And he started wrestling around with me. 575 00:28:29,361 --> 00:28:32,501 He got my left arm, and he got it behind me. 576 00:28:32,574 --> 00:28:36,924 And I felt him put a handcuff on it. 577 00:28:36,994 --> 00:28:39,394 I kept flailing my right hand around 578 00:28:39,461 --> 00:28:41,881 so that he couldn't get my right arm, 579 00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:45,414 but eventually, he did get ahold of my right arm, 580 00:28:45,414 --> 00:28:49,554 and he knocked me down to the floor with my hands behind me. 581 00:28:49,621 --> 00:28:52,391 He left the room for a few minutes, 582 00:28:52,461 --> 00:28:57,521 and I realized that if I pulled really hard on my right hand, 583 00:28:57,594 --> 00:29:01,154 that I could pull my hand through the handcuff. 584 00:29:00,921 --> 00:29:02,871 I could get it out. 585 00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:05,231 By pretending he was still handcuffed, 586 00:29:05,301 --> 00:29:09,111 Tony was able to catch Gacy unawares when he returned 587 00:29:08,881 --> 00:29:13,351 and turned the situation to his advantage. 588 00:29:13,421 --> 00:29:16,011 I took the handcuff that I had gotten out of, 589 00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:19,447 and I handcuffed him on one of his wrists. 590 00:29:19,321 --> 00:29:22,671 Then I reached into his pocket, got the key, 591 00:29:22,747 --> 00:29:26,907 and I handcuffed him behind his back laying face down. 592 00:29:26,981 --> 00:29:28,411 He goes, "You're the only one 593 00:29:28,487 --> 00:29:30,707 that not only got out of the handcuffs 594 00:29:30,781 --> 00:29:32,831 You got them on me." 595 00:29:32,901 --> 00:29:34,161 And I didn't know what that meant. 596 00:29:34,234 --> 00:29:35,954 I thought that this was some type of test 597 00:29:36,027 --> 00:29:38,527 that he had performed before. 598 00:29:38,601 --> 00:29:42,501 And I let him stay handcuffed for 10 or 15 minutes 599 00:29:42,241 --> 00:29:45,081 before I let him out of the handcuffs. 600 00:29:44,921 --> 00:29:47,661 And he had previously agreed that when I let him up, 601 00:29:47,601 --> 00:29:50,161 he would leave. And he did. 602 00:29:50,234 --> 00:29:53,504 Tony had no idea just how close he'd come 603 00:29:53,574 --> 00:29:56,994 to being another victim of this deadly killer. 604 00:29:57,067 --> 00:29:58,347 I did not fear for my life. 605 00:29:58,427 --> 00:30:02,347 And not fearing for my life and not panicking 606 00:30:02,427 --> 00:30:05,327 is probably what saved my life. 607 00:30:05,407 --> 00:30:07,327 'Cause I'm sure if, when I got out of the handcuffs, 608 00:30:07,401 --> 00:30:10,311 if I tried to run for the door or do something, you know, 609 00:30:10,387 --> 00:30:13,857 he was 33 years old and very strong, 610 00:30:13,801 --> 00:30:16,771 and I was 16 or 17. 611 00:30:16,841 --> 00:30:18,531 I'm sure he could've overpowered me 612 00:30:18,601 --> 00:30:21,201 if he knew he had to. 613 00:30:21,274 --> 00:30:23,194 Tony continued working for P.D.M. 614 00:30:23,267 --> 00:30:25,527 for a few months after the attack 615 00:30:25,601 --> 00:30:28,961 and only reported the incident after Gacy's arrest. 616 00:30:29,034 --> 00:30:30,954 By the time the case went to trial, 617 00:30:31,021 --> 00:30:32,521 police had managed to identify 618 00:30:32,594 --> 00:30:35,854 the remains of 22 of the victims. 619 00:30:35,921 --> 00:30:39,421 So, with Gacy, we have around 30 bodies, 620 00:30:39,494 --> 00:30:40,904 different states of decomposition, 621 00:30:40,974 --> 00:30:43,474 some of which have been there for many years. 622 00:30:43,547 --> 00:30:46,577 Forensically, that sort of scene is a nightmare. 623 00:30:46,654 --> 00:30:49,734 You've got so many different things to dig up. 624 00:30:49,808 --> 00:30:51,598 It's a very complex procedure. 625 00:30:51,674 --> 00:30:53,494 It's very hard work. 626 00:30:53,567 --> 00:30:56,057 It will involve a lot of people and a lot of time. 627 00:30:56,134 --> 00:31:01,754 Seven of Gacy's victims have never been identified. 628 00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:05,187 This closeknit community on the outskirts of Chicago 629 00:31:05,261 --> 00:31:07,091 was baffled beyond belief 630 00:31:06,961 --> 00:31:11,171 that such a monster had lived amongst them for so long. 631 00:31:11,247 --> 00:31:14,707 One of the effects that learning about these crimes 632 00:31:14,787 --> 00:31:16,827 has on the public 633 00:31:16,907 --> 00:31:19,827 is that it sort of reduces you 634 00:31:19,907 --> 00:31:23,177 to a state of childlike awe 635 00:31:23,254 --> 00:31:25,694 and terror and wonder. 636 00:31:25,201 --> 00:31:29,171 You can imagine all these middle American suburbanites. 637 00:31:29,247 --> 00:31:32,017 Suddenly, here are the authorities 638 00:31:32,094 --> 00:31:36,984 bringing out the decomposed remains of young men 639 00:31:37,054 --> 00:31:39,234 that had been stored in the crawl space 640 00:31:39,308 --> 00:31:42,048 of your neighbor's house. 641 00:31:42,127 --> 00:31:45,277 A horrified public were both shocked and outraged 642 00:31:45,354 --> 00:31:47,594 by the crimes Gacy had committed. 643 00:31:47,667 --> 00:31:49,907 As the State prepared their case, 644 00:31:49,981 --> 00:31:51,481 they were determined to ensure 645 00:31:51,554 --> 00:31:54,564 that the man who'd been held in such high esteem 646 00:31:54,634 --> 00:31:58,834 by his local community would pay for his crimes in full. 647 00:32:01,754 --> 00:32:06,824 The trial of John Wayne Gacy began on February the 6th, 1980, 648 00:32:06,894 --> 00:32:10,534 at the Cook County Criminal Courts building in Chicago. 649 00:32:10,608 --> 00:32:13,548 At the time, Illinois still had the death penalty. 650 00:32:13,621 --> 00:32:17,511 Gacy's defense team were pleading insanity. 651 00:32:17,581 --> 00:32:20,331 It was an interesting trial. 652 00:32:20,241 --> 00:32:23,511 And what was so fascinating about it was 653 00:32:23,581 --> 00:32:25,401 they had so many different psychiatrists 654 00:32:25,474 --> 00:32:26,674 saying so many different things 655 00:32:26,741 --> 00:32:31,971 that they all came up with different diagnosis, 656 00:32:32,041 --> 00:32:34,391 which really goes toward this picture 657 00:32:34,467 --> 00:32:36,957 of this notintact human being, 658 00:32:37,034 --> 00:32:39,944 this bitsandpieces of person. 659 00:32:40,014 --> 00:32:41,854 During the fiveweek trial, 660 00:32:41,928 --> 00:32:44,348 the prosecution were desperate to prove 661 00:32:44,421 --> 00:32:47,621 that Gacy was fully responsible for his actions. 662 00:32:47,561 --> 00:32:50,091 There's a difference between psychopathy and mental illness. 663 00:32:50,167 --> 00:32:51,927 Psychopaths are rational. 664 00:32:51,801 --> 00:32:53,071 They know what they're doing, 665 00:32:53,147 --> 00:32:54,927 and they know what they do is wrong, 666 00:32:55,001 --> 00:32:56,761 but they decide to do it anyway. 667 00:32:56,834 --> 00:32:59,954 So he was pretty culpable for his crimes. 668 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:02,661 He was vicious. He was evil. 669 00:33:02,734 --> 00:33:04,954 He was not insane in any way. 670 00:33:05,021 --> 00:33:07,081 He knew exactly what he was doing. 671 00:33:07,154 --> 00:33:09,684 And he killed these people for selfpreservation, 672 00:33:09,754 --> 00:33:13,164 because he was so well liked politically and businesswise 673 00:33:13,234 --> 00:33:15,134 he couldn't have this public out 674 00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:17,461 that he was taking advantage of these kids. 675 00:33:17,534 --> 00:33:19,674 One of the prosecution witnesses 676 00:33:19,747 --> 00:33:23,247 was Gacy's former employee Tony Antonucci, 677 00:33:23,328 --> 00:33:26,528 who'd been attacked by the 37yearold contractor. 678 00:33:26,607 --> 00:33:30,477 I saw him in court, and he was off to my left 679 00:33:30,554 --> 00:33:33,094 sitting at the table 680 00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:35,241 where the defense attorneys are. 681 00:33:35,314 --> 00:33:37,804 And he just stared straight forward. 682 00:33:37,874 --> 00:33:40,094 He was fairly far away. 683 00:33:40,167 --> 00:33:44,637 I might've caught his eye on occasion in the courtroom, 684 00:33:44,281 --> 00:33:48,381 but I was pretty nervous to be a witness 685 00:33:48,454 --> 00:33:51,014 on a trial of that significance 686 00:33:51,081 --> 00:33:54,091 even at that age, in my early 20s. 687 00:33:54,167 --> 00:33:56,947 On the 13th of March 1980, 688 00:33:57,021 --> 00:34:01,881 the jury had made their decision of the fate of John Wayne Gacy. 689 00:34:01,954 --> 00:34:04,564 It didn't take long for them to find him guilty. 690 00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:08,614 I think it took maybe less than three hours, 691 00:34:08,281 --> 00:34:11,191 which was amazing. 692 00:34:11,267 --> 00:34:13,747 And then he was found guilty. 693 00:34:13,821 --> 00:34:18,651 It was kind of amazing how fast everything went. 694 00:34:18,727 --> 00:34:20,797 When you look at other trials that have gone on, 695 00:34:20,874 --> 00:34:23,774 this trial went extremely fast. 696 00:34:23,841 --> 00:34:24,801 In the final moments of the trial, 697 00:34:24,874 --> 00:34:27,334 one of the prosecutors, William Kunkle, 698 00:34:27,401 --> 00:34:31,881 called him a ruthless, sadistic killing machine. 699 00:34:31,954 --> 00:34:35,144 And I think that's a pretty apt description. 700 00:34:35,214 --> 00:34:38,634 Judge Louis B. Garippo sentenced Gacy to death. 701 00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:40,111 He was immediately taken 702 00:34:40,187 --> 00:34:42,957 to the Menard Correctional Center Illinois, 703 00:34:43,034 --> 00:34:46,534 where he would remain on death row for 14 years. 704 00:34:46,601 --> 00:34:48,841 Whilst in jail, he took up painting, 705 00:34:48,914 --> 00:34:51,844 selling his artwork for profit. 706 00:34:51,914 --> 00:34:53,524 Even when he was behind bars, 707 00:34:53,594 --> 00:34:56,674 he continued to control and manipulate people. 708 00:34:56,747 --> 00:34:58,157 He produced several paintings, 709 00:34:58,234 --> 00:35:01,554 several works of art which he sold, 710 00:35:01,621 --> 00:35:04,021 and he maintained a legacy 711 00:35:04,094 --> 00:35:07,394 even after his death through those paintings. 712 00:35:07,467 --> 00:35:09,847 So he was still in control when he was behind bars. 713 00:35:09,921 --> 00:35:12,191 He still had power over other people, 714 00:35:12,267 --> 00:35:15,837 and he was still able to make choices and decisions. 715 00:35:15,914 --> 00:35:17,714 The profits he gained from these paintings 716 00:35:17,781 --> 00:35:20,721 resulted in the government suing him for his earnings. 717 00:35:20,794 --> 00:35:25,334 Lawyer Karen Conti took on Gacy's case against the State. 718 00:35:25,407 --> 00:35:29,997 Gacy like to paint, and he was a terrible, terrible painter. 719 00:35:30,074 --> 00:35:33,204 And he painted horrible things like skulls and clowns 720 00:35:33,274 --> 00:35:35,074 and creepy things like that. 721 00:35:35,147 --> 00:35:37,907 But people bought them, and they paid $200 a shot 722 00:35:37,987 --> 00:35:40,427 for him to paint these ugly pictures. 723 00:35:40,507 --> 00:35:43,067 So that's the first thing that he wanted to talk to us about, 724 00:35:43,147 --> 00:35:45,377 but we went down there knowing that what we wanted to do 725 00:35:45,121 --> 00:35:47,411 was represent him in the death penalty. 726 00:35:47,487 --> 00:35:48,787 What was surprising was 727 00:35:48,861 --> 00:35:51,671 he looked and acted just like anybody else, 728 00:35:51,741 --> 00:35:54,801 like your favorite uncle, like your nextdoor neighbor. 729 00:35:54,874 --> 00:35:57,634 And if you think about it, that's probably why he got away 730 00:35:57,707 --> 00:36:00,577 with killing so many boys and men, 731 00:36:00,654 --> 00:36:03,454 because he didn't look evil. 732 00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:05,961 You could not reconcile what he did 733 00:36:06,034 --> 00:36:07,924 with the man you were talking to. 734 00:36:07,994 --> 00:36:11,084 Karen was a firm opponent of the death penalty 735 00:36:11,154 --> 00:36:12,634 and represented Gacy 736 00:36:12,701 --> 00:36:16,081 during his final appeals against the sentence. 737 00:36:16,154 --> 00:36:18,834 Over the years, Gacy had numerous appeals, 738 00:36:18,907 --> 00:36:20,737 and our system allows that 739 00:36:20,814 --> 00:36:23,714 appeals in the federal court, appeals in the state court. 740 00:36:23,781 --> 00:36:27,641 By the time that Gacy had his execution date set, 741 00:36:27,714 --> 00:36:30,514 we were out of traditional appeals. 742 00:36:30,581 --> 00:36:32,731 There are certain serial killers 743 00:36:32,808 --> 00:36:37,448 Even staunch antideath penalty advocates 744 00:36:36,961 --> 00:36:40,471 would not protest against the execution 745 00:36:40,541 --> 00:36:42,311 of somebody like Gacy. 746 00:36:42,381 --> 00:36:46,361 If he felt any twinge of feeling sorry 747 00:36:46,434 --> 00:36:48,834 it was only feeling sorry for himself. 748 00:36:48,907 --> 00:36:50,437 You know, these people are possessed 749 00:36:50,514 --> 00:36:53,934 with incredibly malignant narcissism. 750 00:36:54,001 --> 00:36:57,191 The only thing that they are capable of feeling anything for 751 00:36:56,961 --> 00:36:58,961 is themselves and their own needs. 752 00:36:59,034 --> 00:37:00,774 When you have a client who has committed 753 00:37:00,841 --> 00:37:03,451 these horrific acts, 33 murderers, 754 00:37:03,527 --> 00:37:05,517 no court is gonna want to let him out. 755 00:37:05,594 --> 00:37:09,704 No court is going to want to change execution 756 00:37:09,774 --> 00:37:13,954 to life in prison, because it's politically a disaster. 757 00:37:14,027 --> 00:37:17,957 Gacy had to be executed, and no matter what we alleged, 758 00:37:18,034 --> 00:37:20,694 even if we had really, really good arguments, 759 00:37:20,761 --> 00:37:22,151 I don't think anyone would've listened, 760 00:37:22,221 --> 00:37:24,211 because it was John Gacy. 761 00:37:24,287 --> 00:37:28,387 In a CBS TV interview filmed in Menard Correctional Center 762 00:37:28,467 --> 00:37:30,467 in May 1992, 763 00:37:30,547 --> 00:37:33,917 Gacy recanted his confession and tried to deny 764 00:37:33,994 --> 00:37:37,134 he was guilty of any of the murders. 765 00:37:37,207 --> 00:37:39,377 He claimed that he was a victim of circumstance 766 00:37:39,454 --> 00:37:41,394 and clearly innocent. 767 00:37:41,461 --> 00:37:43,211 Now, that was balderdash. 768 00:37:43,281 --> 00:37:46,711 He was guilty as sin, but, nevertheless, 769 00:37:46,787 --> 00:37:50,927 he just proved what an extraordinary man he was. 770 00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:54,807 And throughout the interview, you can see the interviewer 771 00:37:54,681 --> 00:37:59,111 looking more and more astounded by Gacy's relaxation. 772 00:37:59,187 --> 00:38:00,627 He didn't look nervous. 773 00:38:00,707 --> 00:38:05,097 He looked absolutely composed, relaxed, 774 00:38:05,174 --> 00:38:06,564 if anything, a little angry. 775 00:38:06,634 --> 00:38:08,934 "Why am I being put through this? 776 00:38:08,641 --> 00:38:10,291 It's not fair. 777 00:38:10,368 --> 00:38:11,778 It was a pure accident. 778 00:38:11,854 --> 00:38:14,264 I never did it." 779 00:38:14,334 --> 00:38:16,304 We knew it was his lastditch effort. 780 00:38:16,374 --> 00:38:17,634 You know, everything else failed. 781 00:38:17,707 --> 00:38:20,867 He thought he could get away with the insanity plea, 782 00:38:20,947 --> 00:38:22,727 and that didn't work. 783 00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:25,671 So it was lastditch effort to say that he wasn't involved 784 00:38:25,748 --> 00:38:28,038 or that others participated. 785 00:38:28,114 --> 00:38:31,094 But it was very clear during his initial confession 786 00:38:30,801 --> 00:38:33,391 that he was the one who completed these crimes 787 00:38:33,161 --> 00:38:35,351 and completed them by himself. 788 00:38:35,421 --> 00:38:38,801 Gacy never took responsibility for his actions, 789 00:38:38,874 --> 00:38:40,674 and he would always blame others. 790 00:38:40,747 --> 00:38:41,957 He would blame his victims, 791 00:38:42,034 --> 00:38:45,124 and in some cases, he blamed his victim's parents. 792 00:38:45,194 --> 00:38:48,034 He would turn around and say, "Well, it's not my fault. 793 00:38:48,107 --> 00:38:51,467 I'm completely not responsible for any of this." 794 00:38:51,541 --> 00:38:53,851 And that's a key psychopathic trait, 795 00:38:53,927 --> 00:38:55,587 the failure to take responsibility 796 00:38:55,661 --> 00:38:57,711 for their own actions. 797 00:38:57,781 --> 00:39:01,231 Despite numerous attempts to appeal his death sentence, 798 00:39:01,301 --> 00:39:03,711 on the 10th of May 1994, 799 00:39:03,781 --> 00:39:07,331 John Wayne Gacy was executed by lethal injection 800 00:39:07,401 --> 00:39:10,321 at Stateville Penitentiary in Illinois. 801 00:39:10,394 --> 00:39:12,924 It was a circus. We were in a room at some point, 802 00:39:12,994 --> 00:39:15,014 and we saw a television screen, 803 00:39:15,088 --> 00:39:18,508 and we saw thousands of people lined up 804 00:39:18,581 --> 00:39:21,441 at least a mile down the street at the prison 805 00:39:21,514 --> 00:39:24,264 with signs, "Kill the Clown," "Kill Gacy," 806 00:39:24,334 --> 00:39:27,204 with our names on it. "Kill Karen Conti," 807 00:39:27,274 --> 00:39:29,084 people beating drums, people dancing, 808 00:39:29,154 --> 00:39:30,794 people with clown makeup on. 809 00:39:30,861 --> 00:39:34,371 It was a celebration. 810 00:39:34,441 --> 00:39:38,791 Gacy's last words were, "Kiss my ass." 811 00:39:38,867 --> 00:39:40,757 Those are the words of a man 812 00:39:40,834 --> 00:39:44,254 who absolutely didn't mind what he'd done. 813 00:39:44,327 --> 00:39:47,507 He was proud of himself and proud of that killing spree, 814 00:39:47,587 --> 00:39:50,677 which makes him particularly chilling. 815 00:39:50,754 --> 00:39:54,644 Gacy was unrepentant right up until his last moments. 816 00:39:54,714 --> 00:39:59,714 He clearly felt no remorse for any of his 33 victims. 817 00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:02,378 Using other human beings, 818 00:40:02,454 --> 00:40:05,894 inflicting pain and suffering and torture 819 00:40:05,961 --> 00:40:08,441 on another helpless human being, 820 00:40:08,081 --> 00:40:10,381 to me, is the essence of evil. 821 00:40:10,454 --> 00:40:14,794 After the execution, you think there'd be closure, 822 00:40:14,561 --> 00:40:16,551 but there really isn't closure for something like that. 823 00:40:16,621 --> 00:40:18,791 I mean, you always think back to the victim's family 824 00:40:18,867 --> 00:40:21,347 and the poor, young boy who was 15 years old 825 00:40:20,961 --> 00:40:23,611 and just a good kid. 826 00:40:23,688 --> 00:40:25,828 So as much as you'd like to believe there was closure, 827 00:40:25,441 --> 00:40:27,591 there really wasn't closure. 828 00:40:27,661 --> 00:40:30,211 40 years after being attacked, 829 00:40:30,081 --> 00:40:32,601 Tony Antonucci feels relieved 830 00:40:32,674 --> 00:40:36,134 he didn't become one of Gacy's many victims. 831 00:40:36,201 --> 00:40:39,171 I do feel very lucky to be alive. 832 00:40:39,247 --> 00:40:41,407 I don't know what to attribute that to, you know? 833 00:40:41,481 --> 00:40:46,341 Maybe I Luck, definitely the biggest component, 834 00:40:46,414 --> 00:40:49,714 you know, a little bit of help from above. 835 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:53,141 And, basically, my own ignorance of the fact 836 00:40:53,214 --> 00:40:55,584 that I was truly in danger, 837 00:40:55,654 --> 00:41:00,084 and the fact that I didn't panic and just wanted to win the game, 838 00:41:00,154 --> 00:41:03,564 if it was a game, is probably what helped. 839 00:41:03,634 --> 00:41:07,124 I also would've been one of the earlier victims. 840 00:41:07,194 --> 00:41:10,404 So I'm sure his techniques became more honed 841 00:41:10,474 --> 00:41:14,434 after he was divorced and lived alone 842 00:41:14,507 --> 00:41:17,747 and had more freedom to act differently. 843 00:41:17,821 --> 00:41:21,841 John Wayne Gacy remains one of the most infamous killers 844 00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:23,404 in American history. 845 00:41:23,474 --> 00:41:27,914 His horrific murders continue to haunt the nation to this day. 846 00:41:27,988 --> 00:41:29,308 I still get weird emails. 847 00:41:29,381 --> 00:41:31,671 I still get weird things where people lash out 848 00:41:31,741 --> 00:41:36,431 and say terrible things to me about representing Gacy. 849 00:41:36,507 --> 00:41:39,367 Gacy said to me, "You know, your obituary will read, 850 00:41:39,447 --> 00:41:42,507 'Karen Conti represented serial killer John Gacy.'" 851 00:41:42,587 --> 00:41:45,957 And although I won't be around to verify that, 852 00:41:46,034 --> 00:41:48,414 I have no doubt that's what it will read. 853 00:41:48,487 --> 00:41:51,947 For kids, monsters are real. Once you become an adult, 854 00:41:52,021 --> 00:41:53,701 you realize, well, there are no real werewolves. 855 00:41:53,774 --> 00:41:55,994 There are no real vampires. 856 00:41:55,561 --> 00:41:59,251 Then something like this happens, and it's like, 857 00:41:59,327 --> 00:42:01,847 "Whoa, this monster is real." 858 00:42:01,927 --> 00:42:03,617 There is this ogre. 859 00:42:03,561 --> 00:42:06,401 It's transfixing. It's riveting. 860 00:42:06,474 --> 00:42:09,584 It's fascinating in the most horrifying way. 861 00:42:09,654 --> 00:42:12,634 Gacy was the epitome of evil. 862 00:42:12,707 --> 00:42:17,317 And he was the epitome of being a great guy, 863 00:42:17,394 --> 00:42:21,654 which gave him the ability to be the most evil guy in the world. 864 00:42:21,721 --> 00:42:25,031 Gacy's outward persona of a charming socialite 865 00:42:25,101 --> 00:42:28,601 helped to keep his crimes hidden for over five years. 866 00:42:28,674 --> 00:42:31,374 But behind the mask of this friendly clown 867 00:42:31,441 --> 00:42:32,721 was a sadistic killer 868 00:42:32,794 --> 00:42:37,324 who cruelly and savagely ended the lives of 33 young men 869 00:42:37,394 --> 00:42:40,514 by torturing them in the most hideous of manners, 870 00:42:40,121 --> 00:42:43,401 all for his own selfish sexual gratification. 871 00:42:43,474 --> 00:42:45,804 His lack of remorse for any of his victims, 872 00:42:45,874 --> 00:42:50,204 all their loved ones, right up until the day he was executed, 873 00:42:50,274 --> 00:42:52,344 proved that he is, without doubt, 874 00:42:52,414 --> 00:42:55,634 one of the world's most evil killers. 70266

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