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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,981 --> 00:00:09,981 No-one is above the law. 2 00:00:09,981 --> 00:00:12,821 Guilty of sex trafficking... 3 00:00:12,821 --> 00:00:14,981 After six days of deliberation... 4 00:00:14,981 --> 00:00:16,981 On count one, we found her guilty. 5 00:00:16,981 --> 00:00:18,981 Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty 6 00:00:18,981 --> 00:00:19,981 for her involvement 7 00:00:19,981 --> 00:00:22,821 in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring. 8 00:00:22,821 --> 00:00:25,661 Count three, we found her guilty. 9 00:00:25,661 --> 00:00:27,981 Count four, we found her guilty. 10 00:00:27,981 --> 00:00:31,981 Maxwell is guilty of one of the worst crimes imaginable. 11 00:00:31,981 --> 00:00:33,981 Count five, we found her guilty. 12 00:00:33,981 --> 00:00:36,981 And count six, we also found her guilty. 13 00:00:42,981 --> 00:00:46,981 Did Ms Maxwell instruct you to pick up the young girls? 14 00:00:48,981 --> 00:00:51,981 It was the trial that exposed the secret lives 15 00:00:51,981 --> 00:00:54,981 of the rich, the famous and the powerful. 16 00:00:54,981 --> 00:00:56,981 Epstein's former pilot 17 00:00:56,981 --> 00:00:58,981 said that Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, 18 00:00:58,981 --> 00:01:00,981 the actor Kevin Spacey 19 00:01:00,981 --> 00:01:02,981 and Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, 20 00:01:02,981 --> 00:01:06,981 flew aboard the so-called Lolita Express. 21 00:01:07,981 --> 00:01:10,981 The verdict confirmed Maxwell as a predator 22 00:01:10,981 --> 00:01:13,981 who cynically befriended young girls to be abused 23 00:01:13,981 --> 00:01:15,981 by Jeffrey Epstein. 24 00:01:15,981 --> 00:01:17,981 She was going out and hunting for the girls 25 00:01:17,981 --> 00:01:19,021 and sort of bringing them in. 26 00:01:19,021 --> 00:01:22,981 Ghislaine was essentially the pimp or the madam. 27 00:01:22,981 --> 00:01:26,501 As Maxwell faces up to 65 years in jail, 28 00:01:26,501 --> 00:01:28,981 I'll be examining the details of the case. 29 00:01:28,981 --> 00:01:30,981 Ghislaine's famous little black book 30 00:01:30,981 --> 00:01:34,821 really makes for fascinating reading. 31 00:01:34,821 --> 00:01:36,981 But the one that really catches your attention, 32 00:01:36,981 --> 00:01:39,501 "Duke of York, Buckingham Palace, London." 33 00:01:39,501 --> 00:01:40,981 I'm gonna give it a go. 34 00:01:41,981 --> 00:01:44,181 'I'm afraid I've not been quick enough to get to the phone 35 00:01:44,181 --> 00:01:45,981 'before it went off to take your message.' 36 00:01:47,981 --> 00:01:50,981 How did the privileged daughter of newspaper tycoon 37 00:01:50,981 --> 00:01:52,981 Robert Maxwell... 38 00:01:52,981 --> 00:01:54,021 Happy New Year. 39 00:01:54,021 --> 00:01:56,021 ..at home in high society 40 00:01:56,021 --> 00:01:57,981 and royal palaces... 41 00:01:57,981 --> 00:01:59,981 Ghislaine had it all. 42 00:01:59,981 --> 00:02:01,981 ..become a paedophile's accomplice? 43 00:02:01,981 --> 00:02:03,981 She was the mistress of the house. 44 00:02:03,981 --> 00:02:06,981 Ghislaine said to me, make sure you give Jeffrey what he wants, 45 00:02:06,981 --> 00:02:08,981 because Jeffrey always gets what he wants. 46 00:02:08,981 --> 00:02:11,981 What exactly was her relationship with Prince Andrew? 47 00:02:11,981 --> 00:02:14,981 One of my colleagues remembers her entering and exiting 48 00:02:14,981 --> 00:02:17,021 the Palace four times in one day. 49 00:02:17,021 --> 00:02:19,501 I'll hear from those closest to the story... 50 00:02:19,501 --> 00:02:21,981 The second I left the courtroom, I lost it, 51 00:02:21,981 --> 00:02:22,981 I couldn't contain my tears. 52 00:02:22,981 --> 00:02:26,981 Ghost in this whole affair is Jeffrey Epstein. 53 00:02:26,981 --> 00:02:29,981 It's just wrong. 54 00:02:29,981 --> 00:02:31,981 ..most importantly, the survivors. 55 00:02:31,981 --> 00:02:33,981 This is what happens in those situations. 56 00:02:33,981 --> 00:02:36,981 You're not gonna kick and scream and fight and yell 57 00:02:36,981 --> 00:02:38,981 when you're on an island. 58 00:02:38,981 --> 00:02:40,981 Their stories lead me to reflect 59 00:02:40,981 --> 00:02:43,981 on why I'm so personally affected by this case. 60 00:02:43,981 --> 00:02:46,981 This has brought up something that happened to me 61 00:02:46,981 --> 00:02:48,981 when I was 12. 62 00:02:48,981 --> 00:02:51,981 For Prince Andrew, more isolated every day, 63 00:02:51,981 --> 00:02:55,021 the nightmare may just be beginning. 64 00:02:55,021 --> 00:02:58,981 Prince Andrew has been sensationally stripped of his military titles 65 00:02:58,981 --> 00:03:01,981 and royal patronages by the Queen. 66 00:03:01,981 --> 00:03:04,501 I was trafficked to Prince Andrew. 67 00:03:25,981 --> 00:03:28,981 Opening statements today in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, 68 00:03:28,981 --> 00:03:31,981 the former girlfriend and friend of Jeffrey Epstein. 69 00:03:31,981 --> 00:03:33,981 The British socialite called to face charges 70 00:03:33,981 --> 00:03:35,981 that she helped procure 71 00:03:35,981 --> 00:03:38,661 and traffic under-aged girls 72 00:03:38,661 --> 00:03:41,661 as sex partners for her close friend and former lover, 73 00:03:41,661 --> 00:03:44,981 the deceased billionaire, sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. 74 00:03:47,981 --> 00:03:49,981 ..here in New York 75 00:03:49,981 --> 00:03:52,661 due to begin, we expect, those opening statements. 76 00:03:52,661 --> 00:03:55,981 Ghislaine Maxwell's family name and notoriety 77 00:03:55,981 --> 00:03:59,981 brings the world and its media to a New York courtroom. 78 00:04:08,981 --> 00:04:13,981 This is a sordid tale of vast wealth and vast privilege 79 00:04:13,981 --> 00:04:15,981 and an abuse of power 80 00:04:15,981 --> 00:04:19,981 with young, vulnerable women as the victims. 81 00:04:19,981 --> 00:04:23,981 Maxwell was among Epstein's closest associates 82 00:04:23,981 --> 00:04:26,661 and helped him exploit girls, 83 00:04:26,661 --> 00:04:31,501 who were as young as 14 years old. 84 00:04:31,501 --> 00:04:34,501 The alleged sex assaults happened at Epstein's New York mansion, 85 00:04:34,501 --> 00:04:37,981 his New Mexico ranch, his house in Palm Beach 86 00:04:37,981 --> 00:04:39,181 and Maxwell's home in London. 87 00:04:47,981 --> 00:04:51,981 Some of the women who suffered at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein 88 00:04:51,981 --> 00:04:53,981 have come to court to show solidarity 89 00:04:53,981 --> 00:04:55,341 with those giving evidence. 90 00:04:58,661 --> 00:05:01,981 It just takes you back to a time in your life 91 00:05:01,981 --> 00:05:03,981 that was very confusing to me. 92 00:05:03,981 --> 00:05:07,981 It feels good that Ghislaine is finally being held accountable. 93 00:05:07,981 --> 00:05:09,981 I wish it was Jeffrey, too. 94 00:05:09,981 --> 00:05:12,501 But she was part of it all. 95 00:05:12,501 --> 00:05:15,981 She was part of why his whole... 96 00:05:15,981 --> 00:05:17,981 you know, scheme worked. 97 00:05:17,981 --> 00:05:19,981 Inside the courtroom, 98 00:05:19,981 --> 00:05:22,981 Ghislaine Maxwell faces six counts 99 00:05:22,981 --> 00:05:25,981 of sex trafficking and conspiracy. 100 00:05:25,981 --> 00:05:27,981 It was an insane experience. 101 00:05:27,981 --> 00:05:29,981 Felt very surreal. 102 00:05:29,981 --> 00:05:33,981 I still feel like it's just a dream. 103 00:05:33,981 --> 00:05:36,981 It's crazy to have been a part of such an historical trial. 104 00:05:38,981 --> 00:05:42,341 I had one of the best vantage points from the jury booth. 105 00:05:42,341 --> 00:05:45,981 I could see all the prosecution. I could see all of the defence. 106 00:05:45,981 --> 00:05:47,981 And Ghislaine was all the way over 107 00:05:47,981 --> 00:05:49,981 to the left side of the table, 108 00:05:49,981 --> 00:05:53,981 and it was like we would almost lock eyes with each other. 109 00:05:55,981 --> 00:05:58,981 Four of Maxwell's many accusers will be called to testify. 110 00:05:58,981 --> 00:06:02,501 Only one will do so under her real name, 111 00:06:02,501 --> 00:06:04,981 Annie Farmer. 112 00:06:04,981 --> 00:06:05,981 Annie Farmer. 113 00:06:05,981 --> 00:06:08,981 So, she was the one that, from the get-go, 114 00:06:08,981 --> 00:06:13,821 we were all able to jump on board and believe as credible. 115 00:06:13,821 --> 00:06:16,981 The court is closed to cameras, 116 00:06:16,981 --> 00:06:18,981 but Annie's testimony closely mirrors 117 00:06:18,981 --> 00:06:23,501 what she said when she spoke bravely in this TV interview. 118 00:06:23,501 --> 00:06:25,341 When I first met Ghislaine, 119 00:06:25,341 --> 00:06:27,981 she was very charming. 120 00:06:27,981 --> 00:06:29,981 She was... 121 00:06:29,981 --> 00:06:34,981 witty and quick and instantly engaging in conversation. 122 00:06:34,981 --> 00:06:37,981 I remember, I had, you know, brought some homework with me 123 00:06:37,981 --> 00:06:39,981 that I needed to work on and so... 124 00:06:39,981 --> 00:06:41,981 I think I was actually doing a paper 125 00:06:41,981 --> 00:06:44,021 about some British writers, and so I remember 126 00:06:44,021 --> 00:06:46,981 talking to Ghislaine about that. 127 00:06:46,981 --> 00:06:49,981 I felt quickly comfortable with her, 128 00:06:49,981 --> 00:06:51,981 and, as a young woman, I looked up to her 129 00:06:51,981 --> 00:06:53,981 as maybe an older-sister type. 130 00:06:53,981 --> 00:06:56,821 Annie Farmer testifies 131 00:06:56,821 --> 00:07:00,501 that Maxwell tried to abuse her when she was just 16, 132 00:07:00,501 --> 00:07:02,981 as she explained in the same candid interview. 133 00:07:04,981 --> 00:07:06,981 I laid on the table, 134 00:07:06,981 --> 00:07:08,981 and I was very aware 135 00:07:08,981 --> 00:07:10,981 that the door was open, 136 00:07:10,981 --> 00:07:13,981 and I could be seen getting a massage. 137 00:07:13,981 --> 00:07:16,981 And then, at some point, she just takes the sheet down, 138 00:07:16,981 --> 00:07:19,981 so she, you know, exposed my breasts. 139 00:07:19,981 --> 00:07:21,981 And I feel uncomfortable, I feel like 140 00:07:21,981 --> 00:07:23,981 Epstein can probably see me right now. 141 00:07:23,981 --> 00:07:28,181 And she touches me around my chest, 142 00:07:28,181 --> 00:07:31,981 but blurring the boundaries of normal or not normal. 143 00:07:31,981 --> 00:07:34,981 This was such a scary situation for me. 144 00:07:34,981 --> 00:07:35,981 So I just needed to like... 145 00:07:35,981 --> 00:07:37,981 just to manage that, 146 00:07:37,981 --> 00:07:39,981 and to go on as if everything was normal. 147 00:07:41,981 --> 00:07:44,981 What was a little difficult for us 148 00:07:44,981 --> 00:07:47,981 to really shape our minds around 149 00:07:47,981 --> 00:07:51,981 was that there wasn't significant sexual abuse. 150 00:07:51,981 --> 00:07:54,981 And the thing is, it didn't have to happen. 151 00:07:54,981 --> 00:07:57,981 The intent had to be there. And the intent was there. 152 00:07:58,981 --> 00:08:02,981 And we all agreed that the intent was there. 153 00:08:10,021 --> 00:08:13,981 Another survivor, known only as "Jane", 154 00:08:13,981 --> 00:08:16,821 but reportedly now a US soap star, 155 00:08:16,821 --> 00:08:19,981 details years of sexual abuse at the hands of the couple. 156 00:08:21,981 --> 00:08:23,981 The woman who gave evidence as Jane 157 00:08:23,981 --> 00:08:25,981 is now 41 years old. 158 00:08:25,981 --> 00:08:27,981 But she was speaking about the events of her life 159 00:08:27,981 --> 00:08:29,981 when she was 14, 160 00:08:29,981 --> 00:08:32,981 when she was first befriended by Jeffrey Epstein 161 00:08:32,981 --> 00:08:33,981 and Ghislaine Maxwell. 162 00:08:33,981 --> 00:08:36,981 She went on to recount multiple times 163 00:08:36,981 --> 00:08:38,981 that she was involved in sex acts, 164 00:08:38,981 --> 00:08:41,501 including both of the couple and other people. 165 00:08:41,501 --> 00:08:44,981 She had just recently lost her father, 166 00:08:44,981 --> 00:08:47,981 so they weren't in a very good financial situation. 167 00:08:47,981 --> 00:08:49,981 So things were hard for them. 168 00:08:49,981 --> 00:08:51,021 And... 169 00:08:51,021 --> 00:08:54,981 Jeffrey and Ghislaine used those sorts of situations 170 00:08:54,981 --> 00:08:56,981 to prey on their victims. 171 00:08:56,981 --> 00:08:59,821 And that leads into 172 00:08:59,821 --> 00:09:02,341 how they entice them in order to keep them coming back. 173 00:09:02,341 --> 00:09:03,981 They pay them. 174 00:09:03,981 --> 00:09:06,181 They paid Jane every time she was there. 175 00:09:07,981 --> 00:09:11,981 Can you describe the grooming process 176 00:09:11,981 --> 00:09:14,981 and how Ghislaine was central to it? 177 00:09:14,981 --> 00:09:17,821 All of the women were recruited 178 00:09:17,821 --> 00:09:19,981 by a young female. 179 00:09:19,981 --> 00:09:22,981 They were not recruited directly by Jeffrey Epstein. 180 00:09:22,981 --> 00:09:25,981 And we know now, according to a lot of the victims, 181 00:09:25,981 --> 00:09:27,981 that Ghislaine was right there in the middle. 182 00:09:27,981 --> 00:09:31,501 It was really a pyramid scheme with Jeffrey Epstein at the top, 183 00:09:31,501 --> 00:09:34,021 then Ghislaine, and then all of these younger girls 184 00:09:34,021 --> 00:09:35,981 who were recruiters. 185 00:09:35,981 --> 00:09:38,341 Ghislaine was essentially the pimp or the madam, 186 00:09:38,341 --> 00:09:42,981 who brought girls and young women to Jeffrey Epstein, 187 00:09:42,981 --> 00:09:45,981 who could then sexually assault them. 188 00:09:45,981 --> 00:09:48,981 And, in addition, many times she, herself, 189 00:09:48,981 --> 00:09:51,661 was involved in the sexual assaults directly. 190 00:09:51,661 --> 00:09:53,981 You know, most young women 191 00:09:53,981 --> 00:09:55,821 may think twice about going off 192 00:09:55,821 --> 00:09:57,821 with an older man who you don't know. 193 00:09:57,821 --> 00:09:59,181 But if it's a woman, 194 00:09:59,181 --> 00:10:02,981 you're going to be more trusting. 195 00:10:02,981 --> 00:10:04,981 And Ghislaine took advantage of that. 196 00:10:06,341 --> 00:10:10,981 Ghislaine got me to the point where I trusted her so much 197 00:10:10,981 --> 00:10:14,981 to where I then walked myself to a predator's home. 198 00:10:14,981 --> 00:10:18,981 You know, where I was at some point going to be abused. 199 00:10:18,981 --> 00:10:20,981 She seemed like somebody they could trust. 200 00:10:20,981 --> 00:10:23,981 She could be funny. She seemed to have a good time in life. 201 00:10:23,981 --> 00:10:26,981 And really, what she did, according to all of these young women, 202 00:10:26,981 --> 00:10:29,981 she normalised Jeffrey Epstein's behaviour. 203 00:10:29,981 --> 00:10:31,981 She really set the tone 204 00:10:31,981 --> 00:10:35,981 that enabled him to be the predator that he was. 205 00:10:35,981 --> 00:10:37,981 I thought that she was a really good person. 206 00:10:37,981 --> 00:10:39,821 You know, she has this beautiful home. 207 00:10:39,821 --> 00:10:40,981 She's with the President. 208 00:10:40,981 --> 00:10:42,981 She has a butler. She has a driver. 209 00:10:42,981 --> 00:10:45,981 I mean, that was a really solid impression on me 210 00:10:45,981 --> 00:10:48,981 that this woman is a good person. 211 00:10:49,981 --> 00:10:52,021 She comes from a socialite background. 212 00:10:52,021 --> 00:10:54,981 She probably had very highly developed 213 00:10:54,981 --> 00:10:57,021 and charming social skills. 214 00:10:57,021 --> 00:10:58,981 And women trusted her. 215 00:10:58,981 --> 00:11:00,981 People trusted her. 216 00:11:03,981 --> 00:11:06,341 Maxwell was born into wealth and privilege, 217 00:11:06,341 --> 00:11:10,661 every inch the billionaire's daughter. 218 00:11:10,661 --> 00:11:12,341 She fits in totally 219 00:11:12,341 --> 00:11:16,981 with the sort of posh, socialite lifestyle 220 00:11:16,981 --> 00:11:18,981 of London, you know. 221 00:11:18,981 --> 00:11:20,021 Her friends are from Eton. 222 00:11:20,021 --> 00:11:22,981 Her friends are from posh girls' schools. 223 00:11:22,981 --> 00:11:24,181 I mean, I think, 224 00:11:24,181 --> 00:11:26,981 the idea of being at her father's table, 225 00:11:26,981 --> 00:11:30,981 why wouldn't you like sitting down with presidents and kings? 226 00:11:30,981 --> 00:11:32,501 Irresistible. 227 00:11:34,981 --> 00:11:38,181 Ghislaine Maxwell has said that she met Jeffrey Epstein 228 00:11:38,181 --> 00:11:39,981 in 1991. 229 00:11:39,981 --> 00:11:44,981 Jeffrey Epstein was a very wealthy man. 230 00:11:44,981 --> 00:11:48,341 He started as a lowly floor trader and assistant 231 00:11:48,341 --> 00:11:49,981 at Bear Stearns. 232 00:11:49,981 --> 00:11:51,981 He wasn't making any money, 233 00:11:51,981 --> 00:11:55,981 but somehow he was very good with the rich and powerful men. 234 00:11:57,341 --> 00:11:58,981 He's an interesting character. 235 00:11:58,981 --> 00:12:02,981 We always used to call him J Gatsby. The mysterious Great Gatsby. 236 00:12:02,981 --> 00:12:06,821 He came from a very poor background, working-class background. 237 00:12:06,821 --> 00:12:08,181 He was a school teacher. 238 00:12:08,181 --> 00:12:11,981 And we still to this day don't know how he made so much money. 239 00:12:11,981 --> 00:12:13,981 But he made a great deal of it. 240 00:12:13,981 --> 00:12:16,501 And so the two of them together combining forces 241 00:12:16,501 --> 00:12:17,981 meant that he had access 242 00:12:17,981 --> 00:12:20,981 to the social world that he very much wanted. 243 00:12:20,981 --> 00:12:23,501 And she got to live this lavish lifestyle. 244 00:12:27,981 --> 00:12:29,821 In the '90s, 245 00:12:29,821 --> 00:12:32,021 Maxwell and Epstein were the toast of New York 246 00:12:32,021 --> 00:12:34,981 and its celebrity party scene. 247 00:12:34,981 --> 00:12:37,981 They kept their contacts in a little black book. 248 00:12:39,981 --> 00:12:42,501 If you were on the social scene in the '90s 249 00:12:42,501 --> 00:12:44,981 and you were not in that address book, 250 00:12:44,981 --> 00:12:46,981 then you didn't exist. 251 00:12:46,981 --> 00:12:48,981 I, erm, I think 252 00:12:48,981 --> 00:12:52,981 in the little black book with my name misspelt. 253 00:12:52,981 --> 00:12:55,981 We were pretty good friends. And I'd often go to parties 254 00:12:55,981 --> 00:12:59,981 and see her typically talking to someone interesting or famous. 255 00:12:59,981 --> 00:13:03,981 Maxwell and Epstein would also hold parties and dinners 256 00:13:03,981 --> 00:13:06,501 in his extravagantly furnished mansion 257 00:13:06,501 --> 00:13:09,021 just off Manhattan's Fifth Avenue. 258 00:13:09,021 --> 00:13:10,981 When you ring the doorbell, 259 00:13:10,981 --> 00:13:13,981 the door opens and there are immaculately coifed 260 00:13:13,981 --> 00:13:16,981 20-year-old girls. 261 00:13:16,981 --> 00:13:19,981 There would be copious champagne and caviar, 262 00:13:19,981 --> 00:13:23,501 and Ghislaine would be busily 263 00:13:23,501 --> 00:13:25,981 making sure everybody was comfortable, 264 00:13:25,981 --> 00:13:26,981 had drinks and entertaining. 265 00:13:26,981 --> 00:13:29,501 She was the mistress of the house. 266 00:13:29,501 --> 00:13:32,981 Jeffrey was really the front man, 267 00:13:32,981 --> 00:13:34,821 and Ghislaine was the accomplice. 268 00:13:34,821 --> 00:13:36,981 You know, it was kind of like a Batman and Robin, 269 00:13:36,981 --> 00:13:38,501 and they were a double act. 270 00:13:38,501 --> 00:13:40,981 I don't think Jeffrey could have 271 00:13:40,981 --> 00:13:44,981 done any of it without Ghislaine. 272 00:13:44,981 --> 00:13:47,981 And Ghislaine was crucial to getting those girls, 273 00:13:47,981 --> 00:13:49,981 was she, do you think, to those dinners? 274 00:13:49,981 --> 00:13:52,341 I think he just kind of sat back 275 00:13:52,341 --> 00:13:55,981 and sort of waited for her to sort of go fishing 276 00:13:55,981 --> 00:13:59,981 and go find however many girls were needed, you know.. 277 00:13:59,981 --> 00:14:01,981 to entertain his friends. 278 00:14:01,981 --> 00:14:03,981 I think I was pretty much used as bait, 279 00:14:03,981 --> 00:14:05,981 you know, looking back at it. 280 00:14:05,981 --> 00:14:07,981 You know, I was really young and naive, 281 00:14:07,981 --> 00:14:09,981 and, you know, she's entertaining 282 00:14:09,981 --> 00:14:12,981 these, you know, big businessmen. 283 00:14:12,981 --> 00:14:14,981 Erm, so... 284 00:14:14,981 --> 00:14:17,981 Yeah, I didn't realise it, of course, at the time, 285 00:14:17,981 --> 00:14:20,981 but looking back, anyone that was like my age, 286 00:14:20,981 --> 00:14:21,981 or a model. 287 00:14:23,981 --> 00:14:26,981 There was one evening that Jeffrey called me a few times. 288 00:14:26,981 --> 00:14:29,981 He was like hounding me to meet, 289 00:14:29,981 --> 00:14:31,981 go meet with her, and... 290 00:14:32,981 --> 00:14:34,981 What was his name? 291 00:14:34,981 --> 00:14:36,981 She was with a rock star. 292 00:14:36,981 --> 00:14:39,981 What was his name? I can't even remember his name now. 293 00:14:39,981 --> 00:14:41,821 With the big lips, 294 00:14:41,821 --> 00:14:43,341 kind of weird guy with the stringy hair. 295 00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:44,981 What was his name? Mick Jagger. 296 00:14:44,981 --> 00:14:48,981 Jeffrey was really upset with me because I didn't go. 297 00:14:48,981 --> 00:14:51,981 There is no suggestion that Mick Jagger was involved in 298 00:14:51,981 --> 00:14:53,981 or aware of this request. 299 00:14:53,981 --> 00:14:57,021 Looking back at those parties, 300 00:14:57,021 --> 00:15:00,981 just a very, very odd air about it. 301 00:15:00,981 --> 00:15:03,981 Epstein wasn't having fun. Didn't want to have fun. 302 00:15:03,981 --> 00:15:06,981 Was just collecting, collecting something. 303 00:15:06,981 --> 00:15:09,181 It wasn't entirely clear what. 304 00:15:09,181 --> 00:15:10,981 So, yeah, it was pretty weird. 305 00:15:10,981 --> 00:15:14,981 I look back now and I wonder... 306 00:15:14,981 --> 00:15:16,981 did I miss any signals? 307 00:15:16,981 --> 00:15:20,981 Should I have known anything? Could I have known anything? 308 00:15:22,981 --> 00:15:26,981 Obviously, you can't choose whose address book you're in. 309 00:15:26,981 --> 00:15:28,341 And there's no suggestion 310 00:15:28,341 --> 00:15:31,981 that any of the people who were in the book or attended parties 311 00:15:31,981 --> 00:15:35,981 were aware or involved in Maxwell and Epstein's crimes. 312 00:15:37,981 --> 00:15:40,981 The names and numbers in here are vast. 313 00:15:40,981 --> 00:15:43,981 It's not exactly a "little" black book by any means. 314 00:15:43,981 --> 00:15:46,981 The one that really catches your attention 315 00:15:46,981 --> 00:15:48,981 is the one up here. 316 00:15:48,981 --> 00:15:51,981 And this is for the Duke of York. 317 00:15:51,981 --> 00:15:53,981 Duke of York, Buckingham Palace, London. 318 00:15:53,981 --> 00:15:55,981 His address, it says here, 319 00:15:55,981 --> 00:15:58,981 and then there are numbers for Sunninghill, 320 00:15:58,981 --> 00:16:01,981 Wood Farm, his equerry, Balmoral. 321 00:16:01,981 --> 00:16:04,981 There's what looks like a mobile phone number on here for him. 322 00:16:04,981 --> 00:16:06,981 I'm gonna give it a go. 323 00:16:08,981 --> 00:16:10,981 'I'm afraid I've not been quick enough to get to the phone 324 00:16:10,981 --> 00:16:13,181 'before it went off to take your message. 325 00:16:13,181 --> 00:16:14,981 'If you do have a message, 326 00:16:14,981 --> 00:16:18,981 'please leave it, and I'll get back to you soon as I can.' 327 00:16:18,981 --> 00:16:19,981 'When you finish recording, 328 00:16:19,981 --> 00:16:23,981 'please hang up or press the hash key for more options.' 329 00:16:25,021 --> 00:16:27,981 Hello. I think this might be Prince Andrew. 330 00:16:27,981 --> 00:16:30,981 This is Ranvir Singh from ITV. 331 00:16:30,981 --> 00:16:33,981 And we found your number on the little black book, 332 00:16:33,981 --> 00:16:36,981 and we'd like to have a chat with you. 333 00:16:36,981 --> 00:16:38,981 If you could get back to us. Thank you. 334 00:16:39,981 --> 00:16:43,981 I mean, that sounded like Prince Andrew's voice. 335 00:16:43,981 --> 00:16:45,981 Prince Andrew's voice on a voicemail? 336 00:16:58,661 --> 00:16:59,981 Explosive testimony 337 00:16:59,981 --> 00:17:02,981 at the Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking trial. 338 00:17:02,981 --> 00:17:05,981 Jeffrey Epstein's personal pilot says, 339 00:17:05,981 --> 00:17:08,981 under oath, he flew former presidents, 340 00:17:08,981 --> 00:17:10,981 Hollywood stars and a prince 341 00:17:10,981 --> 00:17:13,981 on the convicted sex offender's private jet. 342 00:17:14,981 --> 00:17:17,981 Larry Visoski, the pilot of Epstein's 343 00:17:17,981 --> 00:17:19,981 private Boeing 727, 344 00:17:19,981 --> 00:17:23,501 has been called to give evidence by the prosecution. 345 00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:25,981 Nicknamed the Lolita Express 346 00:17:25,981 --> 00:17:29,981 because of the number of young women that were transported on it... 347 00:17:30,981 --> 00:17:33,981 Visoski also testified Epstein introduced him 348 00:17:33,981 --> 00:17:35,981 to a young woman as they once boarded, 349 00:17:35,981 --> 00:17:37,821 since identified as "Jane". 350 00:17:37,821 --> 00:17:41,981 They want to prove that one of Epstein's victims was on the plane, 351 00:17:41,981 --> 00:17:45,981 and crucially, that Maxwell had a role in transporting her 352 00:17:45,981 --> 00:17:47,981 to be sexually abused. 353 00:17:47,981 --> 00:17:49,981 Larry Visoski did say that he met her 354 00:17:49,981 --> 00:17:51,981 on the private jet. 355 00:17:51,981 --> 00:17:54,981 And he said that Jeffrey Epstein introduced him to her. 356 00:17:54,981 --> 00:17:57,981 So he definitely placed her on the plane. 357 00:17:58,981 --> 00:18:01,981 David Rodgers, another Epstein pilot, 358 00:18:01,981 --> 00:18:04,341 kept meticulous personal flight logs, 359 00:18:04,341 --> 00:18:06,981 showing Maxwell and Epstein 360 00:18:06,981 --> 00:18:09,981 travelled on hundreds of flights together. 361 00:18:09,981 --> 00:18:13,341 These pictures released by the prosecution 362 00:18:13,341 --> 00:18:14,981 show Maxwell on the plane, 363 00:18:14,981 --> 00:18:18,981 massaging Epstein's feet against her breasts. 364 00:18:20,981 --> 00:18:23,981 Sarah Ransome, another Epstein survivor 365 00:18:23,981 --> 00:18:24,981 attending the trial, 366 00:18:24,981 --> 00:18:29,981 bravely gave an interview in 2019 detailing his disturbing behaviour. 367 00:18:31,981 --> 00:18:33,981 He started having full, erotic sex 368 00:18:33,981 --> 00:18:36,981 in front of the entire plane. 369 00:18:37,981 --> 00:18:39,981 I thought that I was the mad one 370 00:18:39,981 --> 00:18:41,981 because everyone else found it completely normal. 371 00:18:44,981 --> 00:18:48,981 The logs make uncomfortable reading for many A-listers. 372 00:18:48,981 --> 00:18:51,661 In particular, President Bill Clinton, 373 00:18:51,661 --> 00:18:53,981 who flew on the plane at least nine times. 374 00:18:55,981 --> 00:18:59,981 In 2010, Maxwell was a guest at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. 375 00:18:59,981 --> 00:19:02,981 Clinton was definitely very close to Jeffrey. 376 00:19:02,981 --> 00:19:04,981 I don't know if you saw the paintings 377 00:19:04,981 --> 00:19:07,021 that were in Jeffrey Epstein's house? 378 00:19:07,021 --> 00:19:10,981 One of them being a portrait of Bill Clinton 379 00:19:10,981 --> 00:19:14,981 wearing the dress that Monica Lewinsky wore 380 00:19:14,981 --> 00:19:17,981 when they had the affair. 381 00:19:17,981 --> 00:19:19,981 So, yeah, he was super close to Jeffrey Epstein. 382 00:19:19,981 --> 00:19:23,981 They were like brothers, you know, and... 383 00:19:23,981 --> 00:19:25,981 he was close to Ghislaine as well. 384 00:19:26,981 --> 00:19:28,981 In court, the pilots testified 385 00:19:28,981 --> 00:19:33,181 that they saw no sexual activity on Epstein's planes. 386 00:19:33,181 --> 00:19:35,981 However, David Rodgers has previously said 387 00:19:35,981 --> 00:19:38,981 that he saw a member of the Royal Family on board. 388 00:19:38,981 --> 00:19:40,821 These are the flight logs 389 00:19:40,821 --> 00:19:42,981 that show that Prince Andrew was on board 390 00:19:42,981 --> 00:19:44,661 at least three times. 391 00:19:44,661 --> 00:19:47,981 And, for example, if you look at page 62, 392 00:19:47,981 --> 00:19:51,981 it shows here, 9th February 1999, 393 00:19:51,981 --> 00:19:54,981 you go across and you can see JE, Jeffrey Epstein, 394 00:19:54,981 --> 00:19:57,341 GM, Ghislaine Maxwell, 395 00:19:57,341 --> 00:19:59,021 and in full words, Prince Andrew, 396 00:19:59,021 --> 00:20:01,181 plus his personal protection officer. 397 00:20:01,181 --> 00:20:03,981 There is no suggestion that Prince Andrew, 398 00:20:03,981 --> 00:20:07,981 Bill Clinton, or any passengers, were aware of or involved 399 00:20:07,981 --> 00:20:09,981 in any of Maxwell or Epstein's crimes. 400 00:20:09,981 --> 00:20:13,981 Bill Clinton denies being close to Epstein. 401 00:20:13,981 --> 00:20:15,981 I want to get to the bottom 402 00:20:15,981 --> 00:20:19,981 of how well Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell know each other, 403 00:20:19,981 --> 00:20:23,981 and how he became embroiled in the scandal. 404 00:20:23,981 --> 00:20:25,981 They were good friends. 405 00:20:25,981 --> 00:20:28,981 I don't know how often she may have got to see him 406 00:20:28,981 --> 00:20:30,981 at Buckingham Palace. 407 00:20:30,981 --> 00:20:33,661 I met him a few times in London. 408 00:20:33,661 --> 00:20:36,501 She didn't take any shit from anyone, 409 00:20:36,501 --> 00:20:38,981 prince, pauper, it made no difference. 410 00:20:38,981 --> 00:20:40,181 That was the way we were brought up. 411 00:20:40,181 --> 00:20:42,981 So I think that Prince Andrew 412 00:20:42,981 --> 00:20:44,981 would have found that rather refreshing. 413 00:20:46,981 --> 00:20:49,981 Maxwell was a student at Balliol College, Oxford, 414 00:20:49,981 --> 00:20:52,981 alongside Boris Johnson. 415 00:20:52,981 --> 00:20:56,981 It was in that social circle that she met Prince Andrew. 416 00:20:56,981 --> 00:20:57,981 He really was a dashing prince. 417 00:20:57,981 --> 00:21:00,981 He was serving in the military. 418 00:21:00,981 --> 00:21:02,981 "Randy Andy", as he was known. 419 00:21:02,981 --> 00:21:03,981 No, thank you. 420 00:21:05,981 --> 00:21:09,981 When Andrew married Sarah Ferguson, he put his bachelor days behind him. 421 00:21:12,981 --> 00:21:16,981 But by 1991, the marriage had hit the rocks. 422 00:21:18,981 --> 00:21:23,981 In the same year, Maxwell's life was also turned upside down. 423 00:21:23,981 --> 00:21:25,981 Good evening. The publisher Mr Robert Maxwell, 424 00:21:25,981 --> 00:21:28,981 owner of the Daily Mirror, died today off the Canary Islands. 425 00:21:28,981 --> 00:21:31,981 His body has been recovered from the scene. 426 00:21:34,981 --> 00:21:36,981 Then it all started to tumble down, 427 00:21:36,981 --> 00:21:40,021 you know, that he'd stolen 400 million or 500 million 428 00:21:40,021 --> 00:21:41,981 of pension funds. 429 00:21:41,981 --> 00:21:46,181 It was very unseemly, and it looked like he was a crook. 430 00:21:46,181 --> 00:21:49,981 This had to have a big effect on Ghislaine. 431 00:21:53,021 --> 00:21:56,981 With Robert Maxwell dead, the spotlight turned on the family 432 00:21:56,981 --> 00:22:00,981 as the police investigated fraud at the Mirror Group. 433 00:22:00,981 --> 00:22:02,981 The early-morning arrest of Kevin Maxwell... 434 00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:12,981 The shock of discovering 435 00:22:12,981 --> 00:22:14,981 that what they thought they had, they didn't have. 436 00:22:14,981 --> 00:22:17,981 That what they thought their father owned, 437 00:22:17,981 --> 00:22:19,981 he really didn't possibly own. 438 00:22:19,981 --> 00:22:22,021 That the money wasn't there 439 00:22:22,021 --> 00:22:24,981 in the way that they thought the money was there. 440 00:22:24,981 --> 00:22:26,981 That there would be court cases, 441 00:22:26,981 --> 00:22:28,981 possible prison, 442 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:30,341 all these things coming 443 00:22:30,341 --> 00:22:33,981 after the death would have been quite horrendous. 444 00:22:35,981 --> 00:22:37,821 Eventually, both Kevin and Ian Maxwell 445 00:22:37,821 --> 00:22:39,981 were acquitted of all charges. 446 00:22:39,981 --> 00:22:43,981 What Ghislaine had, even if she had no money, 447 00:22:43,981 --> 00:22:46,021 or an income of substance... 448 00:22:47,981 --> 00:22:49,981 ..she had contacts, 449 00:22:49,981 --> 00:22:52,981 but essentially, she was broke. 450 00:22:54,341 --> 00:22:58,981 Then, in 1999, according to the Duke of York himself, 451 00:22:58,981 --> 00:23:02,981 Ghislaine Maxwell introduced him to Epstein. 452 00:23:02,981 --> 00:23:05,981 And in July that year, Epstein and Maxwell 453 00:23:05,981 --> 00:23:08,981 visited the Prince at the Queen's Scottish family home, 454 00:23:08,981 --> 00:23:10,981 Balmoral. 455 00:23:10,981 --> 00:23:13,981 The pair are seen relaxing in the Queen's own log cabin 456 00:23:13,981 --> 00:23:14,981 on the estate. 457 00:23:14,981 --> 00:23:17,981 In that moment, I think it just really 458 00:23:17,981 --> 00:23:18,981 called into question 459 00:23:18,981 --> 00:23:22,981 the access that Epstein and Maxwell had to Prince Andrew, 460 00:23:22,981 --> 00:23:25,981 and just really gave you an incredible insight 461 00:23:25,981 --> 00:23:28,981 into the relationship that those three people had. 462 00:23:31,981 --> 00:23:34,981 That relationship also saw the Duke of York 463 00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:36,981 making trips across the Atlantic. 464 00:23:38,981 --> 00:23:40,981 Ghislaine invited me for dinner, 465 00:23:40,981 --> 00:23:44,341 saying, "I'm throwing a dinner party 466 00:23:44,341 --> 00:23:47,981 "at Jeffrey's house for my friend Prince Andrew." 467 00:23:47,981 --> 00:23:48,981 That was the way she described it. 468 00:23:48,981 --> 00:23:53,981 And she described Andrew as being her friend, not Jeffrey's. 469 00:23:53,981 --> 00:23:55,981 I got the sense that Prince Andrew 470 00:23:55,981 --> 00:23:58,981 and Ghislaine had probably been boyfriend and girlfriend 471 00:23:58,981 --> 00:23:59,981 in the past. 472 00:23:59,981 --> 00:24:02,981 They had an easy warmth around each other. 473 00:24:02,981 --> 00:24:07,181 What do you think that Ghislaine and Jeffrey Epstein wanted 474 00:24:07,181 --> 00:24:10,181 from having Prince Andrew at these dinners? 475 00:24:10,181 --> 00:24:13,981 Prince Andrew was a son of the Queen of England. 476 00:24:13,981 --> 00:24:15,981 Americans love that. 477 00:24:15,981 --> 00:24:19,821 You know, Jeffrey loved that, Bill Clinton loved that. 478 00:24:19,821 --> 00:24:23,341 You said that powerful men came to these dinners, 479 00:24:23,341 --> 00:24:26,501 and if women were there, would Prince Andrew have enjoyed that? 480 00:24:26,501 --> 00:24:27,981 Right, I mean, that... Yeah. 481 00:24:27,981 --> 00:24:32,981 I mean, at the end of the day, he's only a man and he's male, right? 482 00:24:32,981 --> 00:24:36,981 So... I mean, I don't think anyone can expect him 483 00:24:36,981 --> 00:24:40,021 to just be a monk in a monastery when he's newly single. 484 00:24:40,021 --> 00:24:43,981 I mean, what is he supposed to do? 485 00:24:47,981 --> 00:24:50,981 I'm going to meet an insider, Paul Page. 486 00:24:50,981 --> 00:24:52,981 He's a former royal protection officer. 487 00:24:52,981 --> 00:24:56,981 He worked here at Buckingham Palace for six years. 488 00:24:57,981 --> 00:25:02,021 My job was to provide 24-hour-a-day armed security for the Queen 489 00:25:02,021 --> 00:25:04,981 and other members of the Royal Family at Buckingham Palace. 490 00:25:04,981 --> 00:25:07,981 Paul Page was later jailed for his involvement 491 00:25:07,981 --> 00:25:10,821 in a multi-million pound property scam. 492 00:25:10,821 --> 00:25:14,981 I first met Ghislaine Maxwell, erm... I think it was 2001. 493 00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:18,821 From the way she was allowed to enter and exit the palace at will, 494 00:25:18,821 --> 00:25:20,981 we realised... suspected 495 00:25:20,981 --> 00:25:24,661 that she may have had an intimate relationship with Prince Andrew. 496 00:25:25,981 --> 00:25:28,981 A colleague of mine remembered her coming in four times in one day 497 00:25:28,981 --> 00:25:30,181 from the morning till the evening. 498 00:25:30,181 --> 00:25:31,981 She kept coming in and out, in and out. 499 00:25:33,021 --> 00:25:35,981 Back then, Paul Page had access 500 00:25:35,981 --> 00:25:38,981 to Prince Andrew's private apartments. 501 00:25:38,981 --> 00:25:42,341 He had about 50 or 60 stuffed toys positioned on the bed, 502 00:25:42,341 --> 00:25:46,501 and, basically, there was a card 503 00:25:46,501 --> 00:25:48,981 the inspector showed us in a draw. 504 00:25:48,981 --> 00:25:54,021 And it's a picture of these bears all in situ on the bed. 505 00:25:54,021 --> 00:25:56,981 And the reason for the laminated picture 506 00:25:56,981 --> 00:26:00,821 was that if those bears weren't put back in the right order 507 00:26:00,821 --> 00:26:03,821 by the maids, he would shout and scream and become verbally abusive. 508 00:26:09,981 --> 00:26:13,661 But it's another address around the corner from Buckingham Palace 509 00:26:13,661 --> 00:26:15,981 that lies at the heart of the allegations 510 00:26:15,981 --> 00:26:19,821 that Prince Andrew is currently facing. 511 00:26:19,821 --> 00:26:22,981 In 2019, Virginia Giuffre revealed 512 00:26:22,981 --> 00:26:24,981 that she was recruited by Maxwell 513 00:26:24,981 --> 00:26:27,981 and instructed to have sex with the Prince 514 00:26:27,981 --> 00:26:32,021 when she was just 17 in this candid interview. 515 00:26:32,021 --> 00:26:36,981 He got up, and he said thanks and walked out and... 516 00:26:36,981 --> 00:26:42,021 I sat there in bed just horrified and ashamed and felt dirty, 517 00:26:42,021 --> 00:26:44,981 and I had to get up and go have a shower and... 518 00:26:44,981 --> 00:26:46,181 And, you know, the next day, 519 00:26:46,181 --> 00:26:48,981 Ghislaine tells me I did a really good job. 520 00:26:48,981 --> 00:26:50,341 You know, she pats me on the back and said, 521 00:26:50,341 --> 00:26:51,981 "You made him really happy." 522 00:26:57,981 --> 00:26:59,981 The Prince says this didn't happen 523 00:26:59,981 --> 00:27:02,981 and can't recall ever meeting Virginia Giuffre. 524 00:27:03,981 --> 00:27:07,981 But there's the small matter of this now infamous picture 525 00:27:07,981 --> 00:27:09,341 of him and her 526 00:27:09,341 --> 00:27:11,981 that, it is claimed, was taken that night 527 00:27:11,981 --> 00:27:14,981 with Maxwell looking on. 528 00:27:14,981 --> 00:27:16,981 The Prince was asked about the photograph 529 00:27:16,981 --> 00:27:20,981 in this revealing and now notorious interview. 530 00:27:20,981 --> 00:27:22,981 You've seen the photo. I've seen the photograph. 531 00:27:22,981 --> 00:27:25,981 How do you explain that? I can't. 532 00:27:26,981 --> 00:27:28,981 Because I don't... I have no... 533 00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:32,981 Again, I have absolutely no memory of that photograph ever being taken. 534 00:27:32,981 --> 00:27:35,981 Do you recognise yourself in the photo...? Oh, yeah. 535 00:27:35,981 --> 00:27:37,981 It's pretty difficult not to recognise yourself. 536 00:27:37,981 --> 00:27:40,981 Your friend suggested that the photo is fake. 537 00:27:42,981 --> 00:27:44,661 I think it's a... 538 00:27:44,661 --> 00:27:46,981 From the investigations that we've done, 539 00:27:46,981 --> 00:27:52,341 you can't prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not 540 00:27:52,341 --> 00:27:55,981 because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph. 541 00:27:55,981 --> 00:27:58,981 So it's very difficult to be able to, erm... 542 00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:00,981 to prove it, but... 543 00:28:00,981 --> 00:28:03,661 I don't remember that photograph ever being taken. 544 00:28:04,981 --> 00:28:06,981 Thank you. 545 00:28:07,981 --> 00:28:11,981 We've come to Kinnerton Street in Belgravia. 546 00:28:11,981 --> 00:28:13,981 It's where Ghislaine Maxwell lived, 547 00:28:13,981 --> 00:28:16,981 and where that very famous photograph you'll recognise 548 00:28:16,981 --> 00:28:19,981 of Prince Andrew with his arm around Virginia was taken. 549 00:28:20,981 --> 00:28:23,981 The photograph would have been taken just up there 550 00:28:23,981 --> 00:28:25,981 by that staircase, with Ghislaine looking on, 551 00:28:25,981 --> 00:28:28,981 Prince Andrew and Virginia in the foreground, of course, 552 00:28:28,981 --> 00:28:31,981 and Epstein was behind the camera. 553 00:28:33,981 --> 00:28:37,981 After the trial, one of the survivors, Carolyn Andriano, 554 00:28:37,981 --> 00:28:40,981 waived her anonymity, and said Virginia Giuffre 555 00:28:40,981 --> 00:28:43,981 sent her a text whilst she was in London, 556 00:28:43,981 --> 00:28:47,981 claiming she had slept with Prince Andrew. 557 00:28:47,981 --> 00:28:50,341 Although it's disputed whether her account 558 00:28:50,341 --> 00:28:53,981 corroborates Virginia Giuffre's claim. 559 00:29:04,661 --> 00:29:07,981 4,000 miles away in the Caribbean, there is more evidence 560 00:29:07,981 --> 00:29:11,981 that Virginia and the Prince crossed paths 561 00:29:11,981 --> 00:29:15,981 on Epstein's private island, Little St James, 562 00:29:15,981 --> 00:29:19,341 nicknamed Orgy Island by locals. 563 00:29:19,341 --> 00:29:22,981 It was just a beautiful island, a beautiful home. 564 00:29:22,981 --> 00:29:24,981 There was, like, a trampoline in the water 565 00:29:24,981 --> 00:29:26,981 that we jumped and played on. 566 00:29:26,981 --> 00:29:30,181 And we went to the pool and hung out there. 567 00:29:30,181 --> 00:29:32,981 There were some other younger women there, too. 568 00:29:34,341 --> 00:29:37,981 The flight logs of Epstein's pilot, David Rodgers, 569 00:29:37,981 --> 00:29:40,981 show that Prince Andrew visited the island. 570 00:29:41,981 --> 00:29:45,981 And Virginia Giuffre alleges in her civil claim 571 00:29:45,981 --> 00:29:51,021 that, in 2001, Prince Andrew sexually abused her there. 572 00:29:52,981 --> 00:29:54,981 There were a lot of... 573 00:29:54,981 --> 00:30:00,981 younger girls with us, and it was, erm... 574 00:30:01,981 --> 00:30:04,981 ..it was very shocking. 575 00:30:04,981 --> 00:30:06,981 I believe there were eight. 576 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:11,981 Prince Andrew's lawyers question her reliability 577 00:30:11,981 --> 00:30:16,981 and point to inconsistencies in her various accounts. 578 00:30:16,981 --> 00:30:19,981 They refute all her accusations. 579 00:30:19,981 --> 00:30:22,821 I was trafficked to Prince Andrew. 580 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:25,981 It was Ghislaine organising all of this for me. 581 00:30:25,981 --> 00:30:28,981 She loved being able to tell everybody what to do, where to go. 582 00:30:28,981 --> 00:30:31,181 "OK, I'm sending you to the island for the weekend 583 00:30:31,181 --> 00:30:33,981 "to take care of so-and-so." 584 00:30:34,981 --> 00:30:38,981 I expected it from a man, but I didn't expect it from a woman. 585 00:30:40,021 --> 00:30:41,981 And, erm... 586 00:30:42,981 --> 00:30:46,181 Yeah... I think that's what hurts the most. 587 00:30:53,341 --> 00:30:57,981 Lisa Phillips was 21 when she first went to Little St James. 588 00:30:57,981 --> 00:31:01,981 We got on the boat, we went over to the island. 589 00:31:03,981 --> 00:31:06,981 We went to the quarters where we were to sleep. 590 00:31:06,981 --> 00:31:09,021 A woman came to the door 591 00:31:09,021 --> 00:31:11,501 and said that Jeffrey was waiting for his massage. 592 00:31:13,981 --> 00:31:16,661 She made it seem like it was something normal, 593 00:31:16,661 --> 00:31:17,981 it was no big deal. 594 00:31:17,981 --> 00:31:20,981 Once we were in the room doing the massage 595 00:31:20,981 --> 00:31:23,981 is where things took a turn, and it... 596 00:31:23,981 --> 00:31:28,981 It wasn't, erm... normal any more. 597 00:31:28,981 --> 00:31:30,981 Many people talk about just freezing, 598 00:31:30,981 --> 00:31:31,981 and I understand that. 599 00:31:34,021 --> 00:31:36,341 No, I went along with it. 600 00:31:41,981 --> 00:31:43,981 That's the truth. 601 00:31:43,981 --> 00:31:45,981 That's just what happens in those situations. 602 00:31:45,981 --> 00:31:46,981 Yeah. 603 00:31:46,981 --> 00:31:49,981 You're not gonna kick and scream and fight and yell 604 00:31:49,981 --> 00:31:51,981 when you're on an island. 605 00:31:51,981 --> 00:31:53,981 Yeah. So... 606 00:32:03,981 --> 00:32:09,821 Speaking to Lisa Phillips has brought up something 607 00:32:09,821 --> 00:32:12,661 that happened to me when I was 12, it happened once. 608 00:32:12,661 --> 00:32:13,981 And that person is dead now, 609 00:32:13,981 --> 00:32:16,981 and so I have an understanding 610 00:32:16,981 --> 00:32:22,981 of what it's like in the moment. 611 00:32:22,981 --> 00:32:25,981 And... 612 00:32:25,981 --> 00:32:29,821 why you would never want to speak of it again. 613 00:32:29,821 --> 00:32:31,981 What I faced was different 614 00:32:31,981 --> 00:32:34,821 from what Epstein and Maxwell's survivors went through, 615 00:32:34,821 --> 00:32:38,021 but it's still something that will stay with me. 616 00:32:38,021 --> 00:32:42,181 As she was going through, just describing what happened to her 617 00:32:42,181 --> 00:32:46,501 in that room with Epstein, you know, 618 00:32:46,501 --> 00:32:50,821 I'm back in the room that I was in when I was 12. 619 00:33:04,981 --> 00:33:06,981 Excuse me. Step away. 620 00:33:06,981 --> 00:33:11,981 Did Miss Maxwell instruct you to pick up young girls? 621 00:33:11,981 --> 00:33:14,981 At the Ghislaine Maxwell trial in New York, 622 00:33:14,981 --> 00:33:18,341 Juan Alessi, the butler at Epstein's luxury six-bedroom house 623 00:33:18,341 --> 00:33:22,181 in Palm Beach, Florida, is called to give evidence. 624 00:33:25,981 --> 00:33:28,981 Juan Alessi claimed in his testimony 625 00:33:28,981 --> 00:33:31,981 that Ghislaine Maxwell did entice underage girls 626 00:33:31,981 --> 00:33:33,981 to the house to massage Jeffrey Epstein. 627 00:33:33,981 --> 00:33:36,981 Allegations that really go to the heart of this trial, 628 00:33:36,981 --> 00:33:39,981 and allegations that Ghislaine Maxwell herself denies. 629 00:33:40,981 --> 00:33:44,981 Alessi says that he drove Maxwell around Palm Beach 630 00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:48,981 whilst she was looking to recruit young women for Epstein. 631 00:33:48,981 --> 00:33:52,021 One of those was Virginia Giuffre. 632 00:33:52,021 --> 00:33:53,981 Like, her entire day was, like, 633 00:33:53,981 --> 00:33:57,341 running around in the car with the butler, 634 00:33:57,341 --> 00:34:03,021 trying to go find other little girls to bring into his home for abuse. 635 00:34:03,021 --> 00:34:06,981 So, in my perspective, she... 636 00:34:06,981 --> 00:34:09,981 she's the real monster here. 637 00:34:10,981 --> 00:34:15,981 In the trial, the prosecution needs to demolish the idea 638 00:34:15,981 --> 00:34:17,981 that Maxwell was herself a victim. 639 00:34:17,981 --> 00:34:23,981 Juan Alessi pointed to how she was actually number two 640 00:34:23,981 --> 00:34:27,981 in this whole scheme, and she not only worked for Epstein, 641 00:34:27,981 --> 00:34:30,981 she was the lady of the house. 642 00:34:30,981 --> 00:34:32,981 I mean, he worked there for years, 643 00:34:32,981 --> 00:34:35,981 so he had lots of information to share with us. 644 00:34:35,981 --> 00:34:40,981 Alessi describes a 58-page household manual, 645 00:34:40,981 --> 00:34:43,981 which was issued by Maxwell. 646 00:34:43,981 --> 00:34:45,981 It's a strict code of conduct for the staff 647 00:34:45,981 --> 00:34:47,981 at the Palm Beach house, and I think gives us a glimpse 648 00:34:47,981 --> 00:34:49,981 into what daily life was like. 649 00:34:49,981 --> 00:34:53,981 For example, "What to say after entering the room." 650 00:34:53,981 --> 00:34:57,981 "Greet Mr Epstein, Miss Maxwell and/or their guests, 'Good morning.' 651 00:34:57,981 --> 00:34:59,981 "You do not expound on the weather. 652 00:34:59,981 --> 00:35:03,981 "You have no idea how they're feeling." 653 00:35:03,981 --> 00:35:07,981 And most sinister, ironically under the title Grooming... 654 00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:12,981 "Remember that you see nothing, hear nothing, 655 00:35:12,981 --> 00:35:14,981 "say nothing." 656 00:35:22,981 --> 00:35:26,981 In 2005, police raided Epstein's Palm Beach mansion 657 00:35:26,981 --> 00:35:28,981 after receiving complaints 658 00:35:28,981 --> 00:35:31,981 that underage girls were being sexually abused. 659 00:35:34,981 --> 00:35:36,981 The officers were searching for evidence 660 00:35:36,981 --> 00:35:38,981 to corroborate their stories. 661 00:35:40,981 --> 00:35:44,021 Investigative journalist Stephen Wright has also looked into 662 00:35:44,021 --> 00:35:47,981 what was going on there in the early 2000s. 663 00:35:47,981 --> 00:35:50,981 We went to the home of Juan Alessi, 664 00:35:50,981 --> 00:35:54,981 former butler at Epstein's Palm Beach home. 665 00:35:54,981 --> 00:35:57,181 I was there about an hour with him 666 00:35:57,181 --> 00:36:01,981 talking about Epstein, 667 00:36:01,981 --> 00:36:06,501 talking about the type of young women who used to visit. 668 00:36:06,501 --> 00:36:09,981 The naked pool parties, 669 00:36:09,981 --> 00:36:14,181 the pictures of scantily clad and naked girls on the wall. 670 00:36:15,981 --> 00:36:16,981 The massages. 671 00:36:16,981 --> 00:36:20,981 The image that Alessi painted was of a place of... 672 00:36:21,981 --> 00:36:26,981 ..you know, almost debauchery, in a way, but not in an illegal way. 673 00:36:29,981 --> 00:36:35,501 He spoke about Prince Andrew visiting while he was there, 674 00:36:35,501 --> 00:36:38,981 and he spoke about 675 00:36:38,981 --> 00:36:42,981 a number of young women and... 676 00:36:43,981 --> 00:36:46,981 ..they were topless in the swimming pool. 677 00:36:46,981 --> 00:36:48,981 And that's how it was there. 678 00:36:48,981 --> 00:36:51,981 And I... asked him... 679 00:36:51,981 --> 00:36:55,981 because we knew then that Epstein liked massages from young women, 680 00:36:55,981 --> 00:36:58,981 a number of the women who visited this home were masseurs. 681 00:37:00,181 --> 00:37:02,981 I said, "Did Andrew have massages?" 682 00:37:02,981 --> 00:37:05,341 And he said, "Yes." 683 00:37:05,341 --> 00:37:06,981 But, again, I have to state, 684 00:37:06,981 --> 00:37:10,981 he didn't suggest any of the masseurs were underage. 685 00:37:12,981 --> 00:37:13,981 There is no evidence 686 00:37:13,981 --> 00:37:16,981 that Prince Andrew had any sexualised massages. 687 00:37:16,981 --> 00:37:19,981 I would say that Andrew was... 688 00:37:19,981 --> 00:37:22,981 put himself in a dangerous situation 689 00:37:22,981 --> 00:37:26,821 in terms of the company he was keeping and that lifestyle. 690 00:37:27,981 --> 00:37:33,981 It didn't seem right for a senior royal to be at that location. 691 00:37:33,981 --> 00:37:37,981 At the trial, it's established that around that time, 692 00:37:37,981 --> 00:37:39,981 at the Palm Beach mansion, 693 00:37:39,981 --> 00:37:43,981 Maxwell was involved in paying 14-year-old Carolyn Andriano 694 00:37:43,981 --> 00:37:47,981 to give sexualised massages to Epstein. 695 00:37:49,981 --> 00:37:51,981 We heard today from Carolyn, 696 00:37:51,981 --> 00:37:53,981 the woman who says she was 14 697 00:37:53,981 --> 00:37:55,981 when she was taken to the Epstein home. 698 00:37:55,981 --> 00:37:57,821 And when she was taken to the house, 699 00:37:57,821 --> 00:37:59,981 she knew that she was going to be asked to do massage for money. 700 00:37:59,981 --> 00:38:02,981 She said she didn't expect to have to take her clothes off. 701 00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:05,981 But, in the hundreds of other times that she visited, 702 00:38:05,981 --> 00:38:07,981 she felt more comfortable and did. 703 00:38:07,981 --> 00:38:09,981 She went on to say that on another occasion 704 00:38:09,981 --> 00:38:12,661 that Ghislaine Maxwell had touched her body 705 00:38:12,661 --> 00:38:14,981 when she was naked in the massage room. 706 00:38:14,981 --> 00:38:18,981 Carolyn, her testimony was the most gripping. 707 00:38:18,981 --> 00:38:21,021 I felt the most compassion for her 708 00:38:21,021 --> 00:38:26,981 because she literally had one of the hardest life stories. 709 00:38:26,981 --> 00:38:30,981 Regardless of her being arrested, 710 00:38:30,981 --> 00:38:34,981 or her habitually doing drugs and addicted to pain pills, 711 00:38:34,981 --> 00:38:39,821 what matters is did you tell truth, did this happen to you? 712 00:38:39,821 --> 00:38:43,981 And... she told the truth every step of the way. 713 00:38:43,981 --> 00:38:47,981 The charges relating to Carolyn are the most serious, 714 00:38:47,981 --> 00:38:48,981 and for this alone, 715 00:38:48,981 --> 00:38:52,021 Maxwell could be facing more than 40 years behind bars. 716 00:38:53,981 --> 00:38:56,981 Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before ten this morning. 717 00:38:56,981 --> 00:38:58,981 He pleaded guilty in open court. 718 00:38:58,981 --> 00:39:00,981 He agreed to serve a total of 18 months 719 00:39:00,981 --> 00:39:02,981 in a Palm Beach detention facility. 720 00:39:02,981 --> 00:39:07,181 But when Epstein was convicted in 2008 for a lesser charge, 721 00:39:07,181 --> 00:39:09,981 he received a much lighter sentence. 722 00:39:09,981 --> 00:39:13,981 And by August 2010, he was a free man. 723 00:39:13,981 --> 00:39:15,981 Just four months later, 724 00:39:15,981 --> 00:39:17,981 British journalist Annette Witheridge was alerted 725 00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:20,981 to a potential scoop in New York. 726 00:39:20,981 --> 00:39:23,981 I got a phone call from the News Of The World saying, 727 00:39:23,981 --> 00:39:25,981 "Oh, apparently Prince Andrew's in town. 728 00:39:25,981 --> 00:39:26,981 "Anyway you can find him?" 729 00:39:26,981 --> 00:39:31,981 So, I thought, where could he be? Jeffrey Epstein. 730 00:39:33,981 --> 00:39:36,021 As I got nearer to Jeffrey Epstein's place, 731 00:39:36,021 --> 00:39:39,021 there were various gentlemen in suits outside 732 00:39:39,021 --> 00:39:41,981 talking into their cufflinks with English accents. 733 00:39:41,981 --> 00:39:43,981 And I thought that's it, these are Andrew's people. 734 00:39:43,981 --> 00:39:46,341 The royal protection squad. 735 00:39:46,341 --> 00:39:47,981 It seemed to be that every 20 minutes, 736 00:39:47,981 --> 00:39:50,181 there was a girl or two going into Jeffrey Epstein's house 737 00:39:50,181 --> 00:39:51,341 or coming out. 738 00:39:51,341 --> 00:39:53,981 And there were a lot of them. 739 00:39:53,981 --> 00:39:56,981 I really couldn't believe that Prince Andrew 740 00:39:56,981 --> 00:40:00,981 was inside that place with all these young girls coming and going. 741 00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:03,981 He knew that Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted paedophile 742 00:40:03,981 --> 00:40:04,981 who'd been to jail. 743 00:40:04,981 --> 00:40:06,981 The door opened... 744 00:40:06,981 --> 00:40:10,821 Andrew was greyer than I imagined him to be, 745 00:40:10,821 --> 00:40:13,981 and Epstein is very white grey. 746 00:40:14,981 --> 00:40:16,981 The photographer jumped out of the car 747 00:40:16,981 --> 00:40:18,981 and followed them into Central Park. 748 00:40:20,981 --> 00:40:22,021 You could just see the headline. 749 00:40:22,021 --> 00:40:23,981 You know, The Prince And The Pervert. 750 00:40:23,981 --> 00:40:26,981 It is a, "What are you doing, Prince Andrew?" 751 00:40:28,981 --> 00:40:34,981 A really astonishing lack of judgement on the part of somebody 752 00:40:34,981 --> 00:40:38,501 who is a representative of a proud nation. 753 00:40:38,501 --> 00:40:41,341 It's astonishing that a member of the Royal Family 754 00:40:41,341 --> 00:40:44,981 could make an error of judgement so profound. 755 00:40:44,981 --> 00:40:48,981 The Prince says he never saw any young girls, 756 00:40:48,981 --> 00:40:52,981 and tried to explain his reasons for staying at Epstein's townhouse 757 00:40:52,981 --> 00:40:56,341 in this interview which contains some frank admissions. 758 00:40:57,981 --> 00:41:01,021 You were staying at the house Yes. 759 00:41:01,021 --> 00:41:04,501 It was a convenient place to say. There is... 760 00:41:04,501 --> 00:41:07,981 I mean, I've gone through this in my mind so many times. 761 00:41:09,341 --> 00:41:11,981 At the end of the day, erm... 762 00:41:11,981 --> 00:41:15,981 with the benefit of all the hindsight that one could have, 763 00:41:15,981 --> 00:41:19,981 it was definitely the wrong thing to do. 764 00:41:19,981 --> 00:41:23,021 But at the time, I felt it was the honourable 765 00:41:23,021 --> 00:41:24,981 and right thing to do. 766 00:41:24,981 --> 00:41:29,181 And I-I admit fully that my... 767 00:41:29,181 --> 00:41:33,981 judgement was probably coloured by my, erm... 768 00:41:35,821 --> 00:41:39,021 ..tendency to be too honourable, but that's just the way it is. 769 00:41:50,981 --> 00:41:52,981 Count two, not guilty. 770 00:41:52,981 --> 00:41:56,981 Counts one, three, four, five, six were guilty. Count two - not guilty. 771 00:41:56,981 --> 00:41:58,981 We have breaking news. The jury says it's reached a verdict 772 00:41:58,981 --> 00:42:01,181 in the sex trafficking trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, 773 00:42:01,181 --> 00:42:03,981 Jeffrey Epstein's former girlfriend and associate. 774 00:42:03,981 --> 00:42:05,981 She has been found guilty 775 00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:10,821 of five of the six sex trafficking charges against her. 776 00:42:10,821 --> 00:42:11,981 ..look down at her feet. 777 00:42:11,981 --> 00:42:14,981 Once the judge had read that final count, 778 00:42:14,981 --> 00:42:18,981 a microphone was passed around to each juror. 779 00:42:20,981 --> 00:42:22,981 It was emotional. There were tears. 780 00:42:22,981 --> 00:42:25,981 There... Because this is somebody's life on the line, 781 00:42:25,981 --> 00:42:30,821 and the prosecution had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt 782 00:42:30,821 --> 00:42:32,981 that Ghislaine Maxwell was guilty of these crimes, 783 00:42:32,981 --> 00:42:36,981 and... we all felt comfortable. 784 00:42:36,981 --> 00:42:38,981 But the emotional toll that it took on all of us 785 00:42:38,981 --> 00:42:42,981 after spending a week combing through all of the evidence, 786 00:42:42,981 --> 00:42:46,501 all of the testimony again, was... 787 00:42:47,981 --> 00:42:48,981 It was brutal. 788 00:42:48,981 --> 00:42:51,981 What was it like going back into the courtroom, 789 00:42:51,981 --> 00:42:53,981 and Ghislaine's there, awaiting your verdict? 790 00:42:53,981 --> 00:42:55,981 I was looking at her the entire time 791 00:42:55,981 --> 00:42:58,981 because I felt like I wanted to see what her reaction would be. 792 00:42:58,981 --> 00:43:01,981 And she... 793 00:43:01,981 --> 00:43:05,501 She looked forward, and wasn't really looking around, 794 00:43:05,501 --> 00:43:08,981 and there was no emotion. 795 00:43:08,981 --> 00:43:11,981 It was just like she was a stone. 796 00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:15,981 Maxwell will be sentenced in June. 797 00:43:15,981 --> 00:43:18,981 But her lawyers say they'll appeal the verdict. 798 00:43:21,981 --> 00:43:24,981 Damn it. Damn. I'm just damn angry. 799 00:43:24,981 --> 00:43:28,981 And I don't see how anyone, 800 00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:32,981 anyone looking at this cannot feel that way. 801 00:43:32,981 --> 00:43:34,981 It's just wrong. 802 00:43:35,981 --> 00:43:37,981 I have devoted a lot of my time, 803 00:43:37,981 --> 00:43:42,981 as have my brother and sisters, to helping Ghislaine. 804 00:43:42,981 --> 00:43:44,981 We believe her, we love her. 805 00:43:46,981 --> 00:43:48,981 And we hope that she will get the justice 806 00:43:48,981 --> 00:43:50,341 that she definitely deserves. 807 00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:58,981 In an extraordinary twist, since the verdict, 808 00:43:58,981 --> 00:44:01,981 Scotty David and at least one other juror have revealed 809 00:44:01,981 --> 00:44:04,981 they disclosed they were sexually abused as children 810 00:44:04,981 --> 00:44:06,981 during the jury deliberations. 811 00:44:06,981 --> 00:44:11,981 Maxwell's lawyers believe that this may be grounds for a retrial. 812 00:44:15,981 --> 00:44:19,981 But for the survivors, justice has been done. 813 00:44:20,981 --> 00:44:24,981 I don't feel at all that she deserves freedom. 814 00:44:24,981 --> 00:44:29,821 I believe that she deserves to be in a jail cell 815 00:44:29,821 --> 00:44:31,341 for a very long time. 816 00:44:32,981 --> 00:44:34,981 I don't think people realise 817 00:44:34,981 --> 00:44:38,981 how much it really does ruin a young person's life. 818 00:44:38,981 --> 00:44:42,981 And it carries through your life as an adult. 819 00:44:42,981 --> 00:44:44,981 Even becoming a mother, you know, 820 00:44:44,981 --> 00:44:49,021 you're constantly thinking and confused about what happened. 821 00:44:49,021 --> 00:44:50,981 Why did it happen? 822 00:44:50,981 --> 00:44:56,981 Because she was a woman, she normalised abuse. 823 00:44:56,981 --> 00:45:02,981 She participated, she tortured me and others. 824 00:45:02,981 --> 00:45:05,981 And she's worse than Jeffrey. 825 00:45:05,981 --> 00:45:08,021 She broke the sisterhood. 826 00:45:08,021 --> 00:45:09,981 She broke that bond. 827 00:45:09,981 --> 00:45:13,981 She was supposed to be a protector and nurturer, 828 00:45:13,981 --> 00:45:15,501 and she failed us. 829 00:45:15,501 --> 00:45:19,981 And she'll have to live with that for the rest of her life. 830 00:45:26,981 --> 00:45:28,981 Prince Andrew, the Queen's son, 831 00:45:28,981 --> 00:45:31,981 does now face a civil court case in the United States 832 00:45:31,981 --> 00:45:36,981 on those sexual abuse allegations made by Virginia Giuffre. 833 00:45:38,341 --> 00:45:42,981 I really hope that the authorities continue to put the pressure on him. 834 00:45:42,981 --> 00:45:44,981 He needs to be held accountable. 835 00:45:44,981 --> 00:45:46,981 We need to show the world 836 00:45:46,981 --> 00:45:50,981 that the rich and the mighty can fall, too, you know? 837 00:45:50,981 --> 00:45:52,981 I think that there needs to be a new change. 838 00:45:52,981 --> 00:45:56,981 The downfall of a duke, stripped of every military title 839 00:45:56,981 --> 00:46:00,981 given by his mother and no longer known as HRH. 840 00:46:00,981 --> 00:46:03,661 The Queen casts out her favourite son. 841 00:46:06,981 --> 00:46:09,981 The Queen has been forced to take action, 842 00:46:09,981 --> 00:46:12,981 and the Prince will now be facing his court battle 843 00:46:12,981 --> 00:46:13,981 as a private citizen. 844 00:46:13,981 --> 00:46:16,981 Virginia Giuffre is of huge concern to the Queen 845 00:46:16,981 --> 00:46:18,981 and the rest of the Royal Family. 846 00:46:18,981 --> 00:46:22,981 Certainly, senior royals have been absolutely at a loss 847 00:46:22,981 --> 00:46:27,501 about this situation that Prince Andrew has not got a hold on. 848 00:46:27,501 --> 00:46:30,981 He's had more then two years to face up to these allegations, 849 00:46:30,981 --> 00:46:33,821 and his lawyers, first and foremost, 850 00:46:33,821 --> 00:46:35,981 thought that they didn't need to explain themselves, 851 00:46:35,981 --> 00:46:39,021 they didn't need to really give this any further oxygen. 852 00:46:39,021 --> 00:46:42,981 Well, that has proved an absolutely catastrophic decision. 853 00:46:45,981 --> 00:46:49,341 We invited Prince Andrew to respond to all the claims, 854 00:46:49,341 --> 00:46:51,981 but he declined to comment. 855 00:46:51,981 --> 00:46:54,981 At the heart of this story is Jeffrey Epstein, 856 00:46:54,981 --> 00:46:58,981 a powerful man who indulged his criminal fantasies 857 00:46:58,981 --> 00:47:01,981 with no thought for the damage it caused. 858 00:47:01,981 --> 00:47:06,981 And the cold immorality of the woman who helped make that happen. 859 00:47:06,981 --> 00:47:12,981 Anyone they came into contact with has put their reputation at risk. 860 00:47:12,981 --> 00:47:15,981 And some have a long way to fall. 861 00:47:15,981 --> 00:47:17,981 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 65979

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