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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,003 --> 00:00:04,671    [crewperson]   We are speeding.     2 00:00:04,713 --> 00:00:06,047      [crewperson]   Sound, speed.      3 00:00:06,089 --> 00:00:07,799          -Oh, there he is.                     -Yeah, me too.             4 00:00:07,841 --> 00:00:09,217       [crewperson] On my mark.       5 00:00:14,597 --> 00:00:16,141       dramatic percussive note      6 00:00:16,182 --> 00:00:18,476           [sighs] Oh, man.           7 00:00:18,518 --> 00:00:20,395                                      8 00:00:20,437 --> 00:00:22,105            I don't know.             9 00:00:22,147 --> 00:00:25,066       Yeah, I don't--I can't.        10 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:26,776              Oh, fuck.               11 00:00:26,818 --> 00:00:28,278         It's complex, Kamau,                      you know?               12 00:00:28,319 --> 00:00:30,864      Pioneering TV personality.      13 00:00:30,905 --> 00:00:32,407               [sighs]                14 00:00:32,449 --> 00:00:33,616               [sighs]                15 00:00:33,658 --> 00:00:36,703         Grammy award-winning                  recording artist.           16 00:00:36,745 --> 00:00:39,205      He was like a spokesperson               for fudge pudding.          17 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:40,915          Is that the case?           18 00:00:40,957 --> 00:00:42,917               Oh, boy.               19 00:00:42,959 --> 00:00:46,379        He's one of the most             successful comics in history.     20 00:00:46,421 --> 00:00:48,089    He is known as America's dad.     21 00:00:48,131 --> 00:00:50,258    Or, quote-unquote, "monster."     22 00:00:50,300 --> 00:00:51,968       dramatic percussive music     23 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:53,762          The juxtaposition                    is just bananas.            24 00:00:53,803 --> 00:00:57,724     He was someone to believe in            and someone to trust.         25 00:00:57,766 --> 00:01:01,352    But he wasn't the nice person        that everybody thought he was.    26 00:01:01,394 --> 00:01:03,229            I Look forward                 to seeing Bill Cosby again      27 00:01:03,271 --> 00:01:05,899          in a court of law.          28 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:07,400          Should I even be                  talking about this guy?        29 00:01:07,442 --> 00:01:08,860                Uh-uh.                30 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:10,111         I know I'm gonna get                     in trouble.              31 00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:12,280          [exasperated sigh]          32 00:01:12,322 --> 00:01:13,531        Deep Black girl sigh.         33 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:14,532             [chuckling]                             Um...                 34 00:01:14,574 --> 00:01:16,951           Bill Cosby is...           35 00:01:16,993 --> 00:01:19,746     One of the biggest predators                in Hollywood.             36 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:23,083        He's a rapist who had              a really big TV show once.      37 00:01:23,124 --> 00:01:24,959              [Kierna]                           An example of...           38 00:01:25,001 --> 00:01:29,506    the complexity of...humanity.     39 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:33,009      What do you think, Kamau?               What do you think?           40 00:01:33,051 --> 00:01:35,845              jazz music             41 00:01:35,887 --> 00:01:41,226                                      42 00:02:14,717 --> 00:02:18,096           [audience laughter]         43 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:19,931            -Bill Cosby--                           -Whoa--                44 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:21,850         Yeah, oh, no, it's--                     they heard.              45 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:23,184          -Everybody heard.                    -Everybody heard.           46 00:02:23,226 --> 00:02:24,936        -That's what happened.               -That's what happened.        47 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:26,437            Nobody heard,                  and then everybody heard.       48 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:28,273    [Stephen] Can you still listen               to his comedy?            49 00:02:28,314 --> 00:02:30,191        -[Seinfeld] Oh, yeah.              -I can't listen to it now.      50 00:02:30,233 --> 00:02:32,277         -No--oh, you can't?                 -I can't separate it.         51 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:35,488       -You can't separate it?            -42-year-old Black comedian.     52 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,866        Obviously, Bill Cosby                 was a hero of mine.          53 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:40,368     [speaker] They've destroyed         Bill Cosby's career and life.     54 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:41,995        [Wanda] If they wanted                    to hurt him,             55 00:02:42,036 --> 00:02:43,329           the first thing                 they should've taken away       56 00:02:43,371 --> 00:02:44,914      -was his medicine cabinet.             -What this is about--         57 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:46,708           the obliteration                        of legacy.              58 00:02:46,749 --> 00:02:49,210       And some of them really             is un-rapeable, when you--      59 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:52,046     [Norm] The worst part about         Cosby was he was a hypocrite,     60 00:02:52,088 --> 00:02:53,715      and I said, "I don't think           that was the worst part."       61 00:02:53,756 --> 00:02:55,216             -[laughter]                    -Bill Cosby is the focus       62 00:02:55,258 --> 00:02:57,510    -of a police investigation...        -[Kevin] We're talking about      63 00:02:57,552 --> 00:02:59,012          rape--that's a--                   that's a tough thing.         64 00:02:59,053 --> 00:03:02,599      [Judd] But wow, every one           of those stories...is true.      65 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,893  [Murphy] I would be this boring                house dad,               66 00:03:04,934 --> 00:03:06,603           and Bill Cosby                      would be in jail.           67 00:03:06,644 --> 00:03:07,979              [laughter]              68 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:09,397           [W. Kamau Bell]                    In the last few years,        69 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:11,900        there's been a lotta talk                about Bill Cosby...         70 00:03:11,941 --> 00:03:14,652         Without me...knowing                 all the ins and outs         71 00:03:14,694 --> 00:03:16,237           -of his case...                  [Kamau]   A lotta jokes...       72 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:18,072      [as Bill] I put the pills                 in the people.             73 00:03:18,114 --> 00:03:20,241          -[Kamau]   Panels...               -There was a prosecutorial      74 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:21,993        -agreement that was...              -[Kamau]   News reports...       75 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:23,745         The man once beloved                 as America's dad...          76 00:03:23,786 --> 00:03:25,246        [Kamau]   Breakdowns...         77 00:03:25,288 --> 00:03:26,915         [anchor]   Then filed                     a civil suit...            78 00:03:26,956 --> 00:03:28,666         [Kamau]   IG Lives...                     -I know I got             79 00:03:28,708 --> 00:03:30,251       -mad questions for Bill.                -[Kamau]   Tweets...          80 00:03:30,293 --> 00:03:33,087     [anchor]   "Cosby is guilty.          I'm sorry if you loved a lie."    81 00:03:33,129 --> 00:03:35,089          -[Kamau]   This...                   -My hat's off to him.         82 00:03:35,131 --> 00:03:37,091        -Happy pimpin', Bill.                 -[Kamau]   Honestly,           83 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:40,094        it feels like everybody's               weighed in...even me.        84 00:03:40,136 --> 00:03:42,805            Go home, Bill.                   Just go home. [laughs]        85 00:03:42,847 --> 00:03:44,807            While we've said                      a lot of things,           86 00:03:44,849 --> 00:03:47,310        it feels like we haven't                 gotten to the root          87 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:49,646           of the discussion.          88 00:03:49,687 --> 00:03:53,274    What do we do about everything           we knew about Bill Cosby       89 00:03:53,316 --> 00:03:56,319          and what we know now?        90 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:58,238        Even though it scares me,      91 00:03:58,279 --> 00:04:00,573       I feel like I have to have                 this discussion.           92 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:03,076       Who knows anymore, but--                        Why?                 93 00:04:03,117 --> 00:04:06,579       I am a child of Bill Cosby.     94 00:04:09,958 --> 00:04:11,209          You know what I mean.        95 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:12,794    Please welcome W. Kamau Bell!     96 00:04:12,835 --> 00:04:14,796       [Kamau]   I'm a Black man,       97 00:04:14,837 --> 00:04:16,631          I'm a stand-up comic,        98 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:18,132         I was born in the '70s.       99 00:04:18,174 --> 00:04:20,260       -That's the whole story.              -[cheers and applause]        100 00:04:20,301 --> 00:04:21,636            Hey, hey, hey!            101 00:04:21,678 --> 00:04:23,304         [Kamau]   I was raised                    by   Fat Albert...           102 00:04:23,346 --> 00:04:24,389             Fat Albert!              103 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:25,807       [Kamau] Picture Pages...       104 00:04:25,848 --> 00:04:28,309              Lip, sip.               105 00:04:28,351 --> 00:04:30,103       [Kamau] The Cosby Show.        106 00:04:30,144 --> 00:04:33,648         Think about who I am                    and what I am.            107 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:35,608               [Kamau]                     Bill Cosby himself showed me     108 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:37,986         that you could be smart             and funny in equal measure.     109 00:04:38,027 --> 00:04:40,613          Why did you do it?                    "I don't know."            110 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:42,156         [Kamau]   But then...          111 00:04:42,198 --> 00:04:44,993             Bill Cosby,                      three words for you.         112 00:04:45,034 --> 00:04:47,996             -Guilty...                   -[together] Guilty, guilty!      113 00:04:48,037 --> 00:04:49,497             [Jeff Glor]                       Cosby, 80 years old,         114 00:04:49,539 --> 00:04:50,832           was convicted today                     of three counts           115 00:04:50,873 --> 00:04:52,792              of aggravated                       indecent assault.          116 00:04:52,834 --> 00:04:55,336    [protester] Mr. Cosby, are you       prepared to go to prison, sir?    117 00:04:55,378 --> 00:04:57,672        [Kamau]   How do we talk                   about Bill Cosby?          118 00:04:57,714 --> 00:05:00,717    There's all the good he did...    119 00:05:00,758 --> 00:05:02,260        and all the other things       120 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:03,803      that I and many other people     121 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:05,013             believe he did.           122 00:05:05,054 --> 00:05:06,514         tense dramatic music        123 00:05:06,556 --> 00:05:08,349        So I invited some people                    to sit down              124 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:11,686         and have the difficult           conversation about Bill Cosby.    125 00:05:11,728 --> 00:05:14,897       And although lots of people                    said no,               126 00:05:14,939 --> 00:05:18,067      thankfully, some intelligent,            brave, and funny folks        127 00:05:18,109 --> 00:05:19,944                said yes.              128 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:23,031         There's some times            where you just have to show up.    129 00:05:23,072 --> 00:05:24,699        [Kamau] That's a wrap.                     Thank you.              130 00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:26,659        -Thank you very much.                  -Okay, thank you.           131 00:05:26,701 --> 00:05:28,161          [Kamau] Thank you                  very much--thank you.         132 00:05:28,202 --> 00:05:29,454          All right, Kamau.                  Take care. Bless you.         133 00:05:29,495 --> 00:05:31,039               [Kamau]                        And just when I thought       134 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,208               we had all                 the conversations we needed...    135 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:35,877        [anchor]   Breaking news                   about Bill Cosby.          136 00:05:35,918 --> 00:05:38,546            The comedian was                 just released from prison.      137 00:05:38,588 --> 00:05:40,214             [supporter]                    We love you, Mr. Cosby!        138 00:05:40,256 --> 00:05:42,717        [supporters cheering]         139 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:44,886            [Kamau sighs]             140 00:05:44,927 --> 00:05:48,306             So let's start                       at the beginning,          141 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:50,641      when America met Bill Cosby.     142 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,394          soft dramatic music        143 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:57,231                                      144 00:05:57,273 --> 00:06:02,153         [indistinct chatter]         145 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:04,739      ...who's become a big hit            in a small period of time.      146 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:07,325    He's clever, inventive, fresh,    147 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:09,118      and something other young          comedians sometimes neglect--     148 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,620           he's darn funny.           149 00:06:10,661 --> 00:06:12,413         A promising comedian             who has kept every promise--     150 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:14,290             Bill Cosby.              151 00:06:14,332 --> 00:06:15,833      [applause and band music]       152 00:06:15,875 --> 00:06:17,168         [Godfrey]   See this?          153 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:19,921         He didn't mention,                "This first Negro comic."       154 00:06:19,962 --> 00:06:21,964       He just said a comedian.       155 00:06:22,006 --> 00:06:26,386                                     156 00:06:26,427 --> 00:06:29,764      He looked so, so innocent.                   Handsome.               157 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:31,099         As when I was a kid,         158 00:06:31,140 --> 00:06:33,434      I used to go to the movies                every Saturday.            159 00:06:33,476 --> 00:06:35,436         And I--to start off,         160 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:38,689     the guys that frightened me          the most were the monsters.      161 00:06:38,731 --> 00:06:41,901       Yeah, he was so likable.       162 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:46,114      1963, Bill Cosby appears            on   The Jack Paar Program...      163 00:06:46,155 --> 00:06:48,074         [indistinct chatter                     and laughter]             164 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:48,950       And blew everybody away.       165 00:06:48,991 --> 00:06:50,284      I think she'd have trouble      166 00:06:50,326 --> 00:06:52,453         trying to punch out                Frankenstein, you know.        167 00:06:52,495 --> 00:06:53,955         Break his knee cap!                  [imitates gunfire]           168 00:06:53,996 --> 00:06:55,373         That kind of thing.          169 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,792        [Godfrey]   Good laughs.                 He ripped it on that.        170 00:06:57,834 --> 00:07:01,295    That's a rip in 1960-whatever.                 [chuckles]              171 00:07:01,337 --> 00:07:02,797       And they didn't have a lot                 of Black people            172 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,507         on the Jack Paar show.        173 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:06,759      He didn't see not one of his          faces in the audience, like,     174 00:07:06,801 --> 00:07:08,803        "Oh, shit, oh, shit."         175 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:13,891          So Cosby was kind of                  in a special place.          176 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:16,894    His trajectory from his first                stand-up gig              177 00:07:16,936 --> 00:07:20,106       to his first appearance               on TV was very short.         178 00:07:20,148 --> 00:07:21,899          [Wayne Federman]                      A few years before          179 00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:23,317        he begins to do stand-up,      180 00:07:23,359 --> 00:07:26,362      Bill Cosby was a freshman              at Temple University.         181 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:28,823      [Jamilah King]   He decides               to take up bartending         182 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:31,909          at this place called               the Cellar in Philadelphia.     183 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:34,036          While he's there,                 he decides to, you know,       184 00:07:34,078 --> 00:07:35,079     tell jokes to the customers.     185 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,664                                      186 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:38,332          He's like the most                   popular bartender.          187 00:07:38,374 --> 00:07:41,669       'Cause he's figuring out              "Oh, this comedy stuff        188 00:07:41,711 --> 00:07:45,298     that I did in class kind of           can translate over here."       189 00:07:45,339 --> 00:07:47,175     His boss actually is the one                  who says,               190 00:07:47,216 --> 00:07:48,759  "Hey, you should try stand-up."    191 00:07:48,801 --> 00:07:51,637       Football can be combined                  with history,             192 00:07:51,679 --> 00:07:53,931        as I found out sitting                  in history class           193 00:07:53,973 --> 00:07:56,476        -thinking of football.                    -[laughter]              194 00:07:56,517 --> 00:08:00,146    He starts doing comedy in '62               in the Village             195 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:02,899              doing sets                  in between the folk singers.     196 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:04,984    Most amateur comics are shaky,    197 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:06,194           they don't have                      their voice yet.           198 00:08:06,235 --> 00:08:09,322             Bill Cosby had                       full confidence.           199 00:08:09,363 --> 00:08:11,115        Pretty much immediately.       200 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:14,952      It took him only one year                   to go from               201 00:08:14,994 --> 00:08:17,538          raw, novice beginner         202 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:21,542         to an A-level stand-up.       203 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:23,252      And people saw him right away    204 00:08:23,294 --> 00:08:26,797          and was like "Oh,            this guy is something special."    205 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:30,384     Our next guest has a unique         quality that made him a star.     206 00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:34,388             -Bill Cosby.                  -[band plays and applause]      207 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:36,807    I attended Temple University.     208 00:08:36,849 --> 00:08:39,101      Physical education major.       209 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:40,478       Now, I hear some of you                     laughing.               210 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,022           Phys Ed, ha ha.                       You're dumb.              211 00:08:43,064 --> 00:08:46,859        He presented himself as             the nice, young, college guy     212 00:08:46,901 --> 00:08:50,071        that you wouldn't mind            having come over for dinner.     213 00:08:50,112 --> 00:08:52,907            Good evening.                        Good evening.             214 00:08:52,949 --> 00:08:54,909             Bill Cosby,                   with just one look or just      215 00:08:54,951 --> 00:08:57,578             one reaction,                    could make people laugh.       216 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,580       [laughter and applause]        217 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:03,292           He was so gifted               as a physical comedian, too.     218 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:05,253             -[babbling]                          -[laughter]              219 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:08,214    [Danielle Morgan]   The sort of             sound effects he uses,        220 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:10,675        the way he vacillates              between various characters      221 00:09:10,716 --> 00:09:11,717       just through his voice.        222 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:12,885       Charlie, take the reins!       223 00:09:12,927 --> 00:09:14,387        Cosby, I can't drive.         224 00:09:14,428 --> 00:09:17,765       All of these things were             really unique to Cosby,        225 00:09:17,807 --> 00:09:20,101           and since then,                everyone has imitated that.      226 00:09:20,142 --> 00:09:22,228             He was just                     the best storyteller.         227 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,438     Car skidding back and forth.     228 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,731        Kind of kept me awake,                     you know?               229 00:09:25,773 --> 00:09:28,526      Oh, almost died that time.               Yes, that's great.          230 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:29,777        To have a funny story,        231 00:09:29,819 --> 00:09:31,779           to have people                   continuously laughing--        232 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:33,823     you know, that's what Cosby               was a master at.            233 00:09:33,864 --> 00:09:36,117       Every Saturday, we used              to have go-kart races.         234 00:09:36,158 --> 00:09:38,202    [Eden Tirl]   As a little girl,              all I knew was that          235 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:40,788       whatever Bill was doing             made my grandmother laugh,      236 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:42,248           made everybody                     in the house laugh,          237 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:44,000        and made me feel good.        238 00:09:44,041 --> 00:09:45,334              [laughter]              239 00:09:45,376 --> 00:09:46,544          [Marc Lamont Hill]                  Bill Cosby, he's the...       240 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:50,923      storyteller who is clean,       241 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:52,717        but not corny, right?         242 00:09:52,758 --> 00:09:55,219    He doesn't curse, but he still            has some edge to him.         243 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:56,971          [imitates impact]                      I hit a tree.             244 00:09:57,013 --> 00:09:58,472       Soon as I hit the tree,        245 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:00,558             I remembered                   in my glove compartment,       246 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,394          I've got nine old                moving violation tickets.       247 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,896         That was a big part              of the appeal of Bill Cosby.     248 00:10:05,938 --> 00:10:08,149         You could watch him                     and enjoy him             249 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:12,111             as an educated                      and cool Black man.         250 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:14,405    You know, you just didn't see         lot of Black people on TV.       251 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:16,574        -And you're funny too.                  -Yes, I hope so.           252 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:18,326              [laughter]              253 00:10:18,367 --> 00:10:19,744      [protestors]    We shall        254 00:10:19,785 --> 00:10:24,540               Overcome              255 00:10:24,582 --> 00:10:25,708           We shall overcome         256 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:27,335              [Jamilah]                         The '60s in America         257 00:10:27,376 --> 00:10:30,796       are just a tremendously                 turbulent period.           258 00:10:30,838 --> 00:10:32,006         energetic funk music        259 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:33,841       [Martin Luther King Jr.]                   I have a dream            260 00:10:33,883 --> 00:10:37,887                one day,                      this nation will rise up,      261 00:10:37,928 --> 00:10:40,681      live out the true meaning                  of its creed.             262 00:10:40,723 --> 00:10:42,892       [chanting and shouting]        263 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:44,644          [car horn honking]          264 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:48,648    [Allan Jackson]   The President          of the United States is dead.    265 00:10:48,689 --> 00:10:51,359    [Jamilah]   All of those things             are happening at once.        266 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,904      So it's a really chaotic time                  in America.             267 00:10:54,945 --> 00:10:56,113       You're not going to see                    any of this              268 00:10:56,155 --> 00:10:58,616        in Bill Cosby's comedy                   from the time.            269 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:01,952       What Bill Cosby is doing           is talking about Noah's Ark.     270 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:04,372             Who is that?             271 00:11:04,413 --> 00:11:08,668         It's the Lord, Noah.         272 00:11:08,709 --> 00:11:11,796              [laughter]              273 00:11:12,922 --> 00:11:14,215                Right.                274 00:11:14,256 --> 00:11:15,841         Bill Cosby is saying                 things of substance,         275 00:11:15,883 --> 00:11:17,885         but he's not making                 people uncomfortable,         276 00:11:17,927 --> 00:11:20,179       he's not making people look                 at themselves.            277 00:11:20,221 --> 00:11:22,723           -What's an eye?                        -[laughter]              278 00:11:22,765 --> 00:11:24,392        He's not Dick Gregory.        279 00:11:24,433 --> 00:11:26,519           [Dick Gregory]                    I feel sorry for Willie.       280 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:29,397      I hate to see any baseball            player having troubles,        281 00:11:29,438 --> 00:11:31,899    'cause that's the great sport               for my people.             282 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,776        That is the only sport                    in the world             283 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:35,695  where a Negro can shake a stick              at a white man             284 00:11:35,736 --> 00:11:38,447      -and won't start no riot.                   -[laughter]              285 00:11:38,489 --> 00:11:42,743        1961, two years before                 Bill Cosby appears          286 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:44,412      on   The Jack Paar Program,       287 00:11:44,453 --> 00:11:46,455            Dick Gregory                      comes on the scene.          288 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:49,250            He's the first                   African American comic        289 00:11:49,291 --> 00:11:51,419     to play to white audiences,      290 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:53,254          and he did something                  that people thought          291 00:11:53,295 --> 00:11:55,089           couldn't possibly                   have been done before,        292 00:11:55,131 --> 00:11:58,634      which was talk about race,               talk about racism,          293 00:11:58,676 --> 00:12:00,344             talk about                      the civil rights era.         294 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:02,763      When a Negros in Chicago             move into one large area,       295 00:12:02,805 --> 00:12:04,932          and it look like                we might control the votes,      296 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:06,851    they don't say anything to us.    297 00:12:06,892 --> 00:12:10,187     -They have a slum clearance.                 -[laughter]              298 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:11,439              [Godfrey]                  Dick Gregory talked about race    299 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,691         in front of their face.       300 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:16,402     Dick was sittin' on a stool             smoking a cigarette.          301 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:18,279           It was almost like          302 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,114      nigga, what are you doing?      303 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:23,743      [Wayne]   The color line was              broken by Dick Gregory        304 00:12:23,784 --> 00:12:27,580    when he plays the Playboy Club            in January of 1961.          305 00:12:27,621 --> 00:12:29,248              jazz music             306 00:12:29,290 --> 00:12:31,792  [Carrie Pitzulo]   Playboy starts           to establish these clubs       307 00:12:31,834 --> 00:12:36,464     all over the United States           and the world in the 1960s.      308 00:12:36,505 --> 00:12:38,966           They often featured                      up-and-coming            309 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:42,261          or otherwise popular              but controversial comedians.     310 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:44,472      In other words, a stripper             in the burlesque house        311 00:12:44,513 --> 00:12:45,765      starting to [indistinct],            goes "Here it is, boys."        312 00:12:45,806 --> 00:12:47,475       La-da-da-da, it's cool.        313 00:12:47,516 --> 00:12:49,310     But let her do that in the           public park on the way home      314 00:12:49,351 --> 00:12:50,644       and her ass is in jail.        315 00:12:50,686 --> 00:12:53,314  And Hefner purposely brought on    316 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:55,357    African American entertainers,    317 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:57,109      and that was one of the ways                    in which               318 00:12:57,151 --> 00:12:59,028             he was trying                     to express his support        319 00:12:59,069 --> 00:13:02,364      for the civil rights movement               and integration.           320 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:04,950     [Wayne]   Dick Gregory playing                the Playboy Club           321 00:13:04,992 --> 00:13:07,703      and gets huge national press.    322 00:13:07,745 --> 00:13:11,290             He gets on                   the   Jack Paar Tonight Show,      323 00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:13,125             opens the door.           324 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:17,963      He is, what they say, the        Jackie Robinson of night clubs.    325 00:13:18,005 --> 00:13:21,300               So now,                     all these night club dates      326 00:13:21,342 --> 00:13:24,178             are available                   to a young, Black comedian      327 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,430       who, ten years earlier,        328 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,349      Bill Cosby would have been                  on something             329 00:13:28,390 --> 00:13:30,142     called the Chitlin' Circuit.     330 00:13:30,184 --> 00:13:33,020    He would have played primarily                Black clubs              331 00:13:33,062 --> 00:13:35,356        in Black neighborhoods                and Black theaters.          332 00:13:35,397 --> 00:13:37,775              Dick Gregory                     breaks the color lines        333 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:40,861      right before Bill Cosby hit.     334 00:13:40,903 --> 00:13:44,907            All serves up                     this guy perfectly.          335 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:46,867  [Kamau]   Even though by the time    336 00:13:46,909 --> 00:13:48,828           Bill Cosby made it                      to television             337 00:13:48,869 --> 00:13:51,705    he was sort of the alternative               to Dick Gregory,           338 00:13:51,747 --> 00:13:55,876       early in his career, Cosby            wanted to   be   Dick Gregory.      339 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:57,419          [Michael Dennis]                      There's an article          340 00:13:57,461 --> 00:13:59,296          in   The New York Times              where he's quoted as saying     341 00:13:59,338 --> 00:14:01,298          he's the Philadelphia                     Dick Gregory.            342 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:04,802                                      343 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:08,097            At that time,                a lot of his stand-up material    344 00:14:08,138 --> 00:14:10,432           dealt with race                     and racial issues.          345 00:14:10,474 --> 00:14:13,060        This the great mystery                   of Bill Cosby.            346 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:16,522     Something happened from that             New York Times   article        347 00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:20,150       to several months later           with different managers he has    348 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:25,072      that he decides to drop all           references to racial strife,     349 00:14:25,114 --> 00:14:27,366      being a Black guy in America,    350 00:14:27,408 --> 00:14:31,745        like, removed his race             from his comedic equation.      351 00:14:31,787 --> 00:14:33,664  [Kamau]   Once Bill Cosby decides    352 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:34,915             he's not going                     to be confrontational        353 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:36,083           like Dick Gregory,          354 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:38,043           the press sees him                      in a new way.             355 00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:39,753        They call him "raceless,"      356 00:14:39,795 --> 00:14:44,008    which white people often think             is a compliment. Hm.         357 00:14:44,049 --> 00:14:46,093      What was important to him                 at that moment             358 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,387    was having a successful career    359 00:14:48,429 --> 00:14:51,974    as a Black man in an industry           that didn't have many.         360 00:14:52,016 --> 00:14:53,601                                      361 00:14:53,642 --> 00:14:54,894            [Maureen Ryan]                   The number of gatekeepers      362 00:14:54,935 --> 00:14:56,645      in the TV industry was tiny.     363 00:14:56,687 --> 00:14:58,272         They were all white.         364 00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:00,232        Bill Cosby in the '60s                  had to fit into            365 00:15:00,274 --> 00:15:04,862    a very, very narrow definition       of what a Black man could be.     366 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,114    The term was "nonthreatening."    367 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:10,451         Dick Gregory never had                 a television sitcom.         368 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:13,704         He very rarely appeared                  on variety shows           369 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:17,374        because he didn't fit            whatever that white, Hollywood    370 00:15:17,416 --> 00:15:20,711         prejudicial concept                of "nonthreatening" was.       371 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:24,256      Bill Cosby filled that role.     372 00:15:24,298 --> 00:15:27,051      [Renee]   He wasn't ruffling              any feathers with race.       373 00:15:27,092 --> 00:15:29,553        He wasn't protesting,                  he wasn't making            374 00:15:29,595 --> 00:15:31,639    great political announcements               about anything.            375 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,724          I think that was just                    very comforting           376 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:36,977      to all of these white people              he had to work for.          377 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:38,812       You know, they didn't want           someone who was going to say,    378 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:41,065     "Well, we need to talk about          the March on Washington."       379 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:43,651     I'm not sure Bill Cosby went         to the March on Washington.      380 00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:46,445      [Roland Martin]   One of the               things that Dr. King         381 00:15:46,487 --> 00:15:49,156           often said to folks                    in Hollywood was,          382 00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:51,617     "Look, you do what you do."      383 00:15:51,659 --> 00:15:54,286          Even if you were not                    in the streets,            384 00:15:54,328 --> 00:15:58,207    you still had tremendous value              to the movement.           385 00:15:58,248 --> 00:16:00,000         I became interested              in the civil rights struggle     386 00:16:00,042 --> 00:16:01,627          out of a necessity                      to survive.              387 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:05,506    [Roland]   Because what you are             presenting to America         388 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:08,676    is a view of African Americans            that needs to be seen         389 00:16:08,717 --> 00:16:10,844          that Black folks were                    not criminals,            390 00:16:10,886 --> 00:16:13,806          that Black folks were                 not poor, illiterate.        391 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:16,350       They call me Mr. Tibbs!        392 00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:18,185     That is critically important     393 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:20,229             to the work                  of a civil rights movement.      394 00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:22,064                                      395 00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:23,399      [Tressie McMillan Cottom]            I think his later-articulated    396 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,067        vision of Black progress       397 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:28,362     that could best be described              as incrementalism,          398 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:30,864           which is get on,                     get your money,            399 00:16:30,906 --> 00:16:33,534    and then help the Black people             out that you can.           400 00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:34,994       And one of the best ways                    to do that              401 00:16:35,035 --> 00:16:38,163        is by being the safe,                 compromised choice.          402 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:41,000              soft music             403 00:16:41,041 --> 00:16:43,210                                      404 00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:46,714        Ladies and gentlemen,         405 00:16:46,755 --> 00:16:49,174           this afternoon,                we're over on Paradise Road      406 00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:53,637          visiting with one              of television's top producers.    407 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,348     He's an actor turned writer                turned director            408 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,267           turned producer,                   Mr. Sheldon Leonard.         409 00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:01,395      Sheldon Leonard was like            a real mogul in those days.      410 00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:04,440        First, may I apologize            for this very informal garb?     411 00:17:04,481 --> 00:17:06,066           [Kliph]   He had                       a big track record          412 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:08,068    of hit television programming.    413 00:17:08,110 --> 00:17:12,489    So Sheldon Leonard heard about         Bill Cosby and thought hey,      414 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:15,826       this guy would be great                for a new TV show.           415 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:18,662                energetic                       suspenseful music          416 00:17:18,704 --> 00:17:20,080                                      417 00:17:20,122 --> 00:17:23,459        See, even cool titles.                     Very '60s.              418 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,463                                      419 00:17:27,504 --> 00:17:28,255              [gunshots]              420 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:32,801                                      421 00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:34,094     Everything about it's cool.      422 00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:36,513          It's got the whole                    James Bond vibe.           423 00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:39,516      I just remembered tennis,                  pretty women,             424 00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,727           and punching guys.          425 00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:43,771        That to me was kind of              the essence of the show.       426 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,230          And at 12, you go,                     "That's cool."            427 00:17:45,272 --> 00:17:48,358             upbeat music            428 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,612     When this relatively unknown             guy named Bill Cosby         429 00:17:51,653 --> 00:17:55,449        gets this premier role                     on   I Spy,               430 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:58,202        it's a watershed moment.       431 00:17:58,243 --> 00:18:00,079          Television history                   instantly changed.          432 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,331         This is the first time              that a Black man's gonna be     433 00:18:02,372 --> 00:18:03,791          the star of a series.        434 00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:07,294                                      435 00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,797      [Doug E. Doug]   "I Spy" was                 an espionage-type          436 00:18:09,838 --> 00:18:11,924           television series.          437 00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:14,426        It costarred Robert Culp       438 00:18:14,468 --> 00:18:17,763        and Bill Cosby as spies.       439 00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:21,350    Robert Culp was a tennis pro,            and he was his valet.         440 00:18:21,391 --> 00:18:23,811  But really, they were traveling            all over the world,          441 00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:26,939    trying to undermine, um, uh...    442 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:28,023             communists.                           [laughs]                443 00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:30,317       Or whatever other threat                    there was.              444 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,485           Kind of absurd.            445 00:18:31,527 --> 00:18:34,238       dramatic orchestral stabs     446 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,823                                      447 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:38,867           You know, in the               earliest days of television,     448 00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:43,163     many of the Black characters             were kinda holdovers         449 00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:45,666           or carry overs                   from the film industry.        450 00:18:45,707 --> 00:18:47,459     You gonna put your shoes on?     451 00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:51,338         No, I'm saving them               in case my feet wear out.       452 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,841        [Todd]   You talk about                   a Stepin Fetchit,           453 00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:58,137       Eddie "Rochester" Anderson,                 or Willie Best.           454 00:18:58,178 --> 00:18:59,638           -Chicken house?                         -Uh-huh.                455 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,515       -What am I waiting for?                  -I don't know.             456 00:19:01,557 --> 00:19:03,225             Me, either.              457 00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:06,395        These were the images               of Black people in film        458 00:19:06,436 --> 00:19:08,021         and later, I think,          459 00:19:08,063 --> 00:19:11,275    many of those images you could         see on television as well.      460 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:13,152              Amos 'n Andy.            461 00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:18,073             -Lipstick.                  -Let's see that lipstick now.     462 00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,033                -Hmm.                             -[laughter]              463 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,661         downbeat piano music        464 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,122               [Todd]                      Black people are represented     465 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:30,002           as childlike, slow.         466 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:31,587       You know, if it's a woman,      467 00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:36,383      either you have the sort           of overly-sexualized Jezebel,     468 00:19:36,425 --> 00:19:39,595        or you have the asexual,                    Black mammy.             469 00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:42,264          I mean, it was just                 the worst representation       470 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:44,975       you could possibly imagine.     471 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:48,312       The reason a Bill Cosby             stands out in the '60s is       472 00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:52,608  because he's not playing these      old, stereotypical Black roles.    473 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,986     [Kamau]   The images that Bill        Cosby was fighting against        474 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:57,571    weren't from the distant past.    475 00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:59,698            Lot of this stuff                     was still on TV.           476 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:01,992               When   I Spy                      first went on the air,        477 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:03,994             Amos 'n Andy                    was still in syndication.      478 00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:08,081     Oh, what wouldn't I give to         hear a wooden doorstop again.     479 00:20:08,123 --> 00:20:09,499               [Kamau]                      So you could watch this...      480 00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:11,001          Has there been any                    further contact?           481 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:12,920      [Kamau]   Flip the channel,                   and see this.             482 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:16,256     Oh, yeah, that's what it is.             A cigarette lighter!         483 00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:19,509              Oh, yeah.                           Sure, Andy.              484 00:20:19,551 --> 00:20:22,054            And in order                    to make the thing work,        485 00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:24,932          all you got to do                  is take it like this.         486 00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:27,768    [Kamau]   Who thinks Black guys           don't know what a gun is?       487 00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:29,895      Bill Cosby was this cool,       488 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:33,315             suave character                 who also was the smart one.     489 00:20:33,357 --> 00:20:35,984     And that is not hypothesis.                 That is fact.             490 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,737       [Renée]   Alexander Scott,              the Bill Cosby character,      491 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:42,658       He's a Rhodes Scholar.            He speaks multiple languages.     492 00:20:42,699 --> 00:20:45,452         -[speaks language]                 -[speaks same language]        493 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:46,995    [Renée]   He's a karate expert.     494 00:20:47,037 --> 00:20:50,666          He's not just a spy,                    he's a Superman.           495 00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:53,001    He's everything you don't see     496 00:20:53,043 --> 00:20:54,795         in Black characters                    on television.             497 00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:55,963      [Robert Culp's character]                 You all right?             498 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:58,465             Yeah, yeah,                    everything's fine, man.        499 00:20:58,507 --> 00:20:59,800          My family's fine.           500 00:20:59,841 --> 00:21:01,635       peaceful orchestral music     501 00:21:01,677 --> 00:21:04,972    [Lise-Lotte Lublin]   I was like          every little kid in America     502 00:21:05,013 --> 00:21:07,557        who looked up to him.             My parents looked up to him.     503 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,727      My father looked up to him             from   I Spy,   you know?         504 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,604         [Matt]   White people                 in Southern Indiana were       505 00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:16,817       inviting this Black man             into their home every week      506 00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:18,944     and not clicking off the TV.     507 00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:22,948                [Doug]                       He had a kind of mystique      508 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:27,327         of a change agent,            not just an actor or performer.    509 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:30,831         He was a significant                   cultural figure.           510 00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:34,376          soft dramatic music        511 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,257                 No.                  512 00:21:42,676 --> 00:21:43,844                 No.                  513 00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:53,020                 No.                      No. See, that's incredible.      514 00:21:53,061 --> 00:21:55,188     Okay, in a Bond--Bond film--     515 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,024              excuse me,                 I have to tell you this story.    516 00:21:57,065 --> 00:21:59,276          [Paul McCartney]                    Say live and let die        517 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:02,529              rock music             518 00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:05,365       [Gloria]   We were filming                 Live and Let Die           519 00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:08,160           with Roger Moore                    and Gloria Hendry,          520 00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:11,621    the first Mrs. Bond of color,     521 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:14,499      and the first love interest.     522 00:22:14,541 --> 00:22:17,210         So here I am coming                     in the door.              523 00:22:17,252 --> 00:22:19,963        That hand is standing               at the door, this cigar,       524 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:23,133      and he flips this body over.     525 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:24,968            -That's not me.                -[Gloria's character yelps]      526 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:26,887            They didn't have                      a woman of color           527 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,555           to play my role                     to do that stunt.           528 00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:31,725           It was a white man          529 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:34,186       dressed in a white outfit,      530 00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:39,024      sleeveless, and you could see         they colored his skin black.     531 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:42,944       Also, when I was killed in            Jamaica with the scarecrow,     532 00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,739        they didn't have anybody              of my hue to play that.        533 00:22:45,781 --> 00:22:47,741            dramatic music           534 00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:49,368        So I'm lying on the grass      535 00:22:49,409 --> 00:22:51,078           with all those ants                      eating me up.            536 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,414               [laughs]               537 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:57,167  [crewperson] There you go, sir.         Thanks for your patience.       538 00:23:00,087 --> 00:23:02,589     Been doing this a long time.                  [chuckles]              539 00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:08,678         Never dreamed of it.                 Never thought of it.         540 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,263              Yes, sir.                        Be right with you.          541 00:23:10,305 --> 00:23:13,350         [Jamilah]   It's while              Bill Cosby's filming   I Spy...    542 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,935      [explosion and screaming]       543 00:23:14,976 --> 00:23:18,563    Sees a white stuntman putting          on essentially blackface.       544 00:23:18,605 --> 00:23:20,440                                      545 00:23:20,482 --> 00:23:25,529            At the time,                 it was in 1958 and up to '65,     546 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:28,448      if they had a Black actor           that that needed a stuntman,     547 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:30,450            they painted                      a white actor black          548 00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:32,702        and had him do the stunt.      549 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:41,378          No, I mean black.                 They painted him black.        550 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:43,130    It's a horrible-looking thing,    551 00:23:43,171 --> 00:23:45,632      but they got away with it                   for years.               552 00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:49,636     Bill looked at it and said,         "This will never happen again.    553 00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:51,471      "I know we in Los Angeles.      554 00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:54,683    "You can find a Black stuntman                to double me."            555 00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:56,977                                      556 00:23:57,018 --> 00:24:00,480           When I came in,                   I changed all of that.        557 00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:02,858          When I first started                 in the movie business,        558 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:05,819      I was working as an extra               on   Gomer Pyle   show.          559 00:24:05,861 --> 00:24:08,530             See, I want                      a 100% PFC platoon.          560 00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:10,824        [Calvin]   And Sheldon,                when he came on the set,       561 00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:13,285         and he saw me stand up                     as a Marine.             562 00:24:13,326 --> 00:24:15,036          Said, "Who's that guy                 standing over there?"        563 00:24:15,078 --> 00:24:16,705            He said, "That's                       Calvin Brown."            564 00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:18,165  Said, "He look like Bill Cosby.    565 00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,584        Tell him to come out.               I need to talk to him."        566 00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:22,335    Because if he could do stunts,    567 00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:25,005        he no longer working              for Gomer Pyle as an extra.      568 00:24:25,046 --> 00:24:27,841         He working for   I Spy                    as a stuntman.            569 00:24:28,884 --> 00:24:31,887           Just that quick                    and just that lucky.         570 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:43,857     That's actually the origin          of how Black stunt performers     571 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:45,317       came into the business.        572 00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:48,945          Calvin Brown was                 his initial stunt double,       573 00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:52,699  and my grandfather also doubled          for him and Greg Elam.         574 00:24:52,741 --> 00:24:54,159          All of these pioneers        575 00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:57,204           that have gone on                 to have incredible careers      576 00:24:57,245 --> 00:24:59,456              to become                      second unit directors,        577 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,334    to become stunt coordinators.     578 00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:05,003              It's created                  an entire industry for people    579 00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:08,131    that did not have jobs before.    580 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:12,219       If fact, I was the first          Black guy to get on a contract    581 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:15,680            on a live show,                 just for stunt purpose only.     582 00:25:15,722 --> 00:25:18,141          Any time Bill needed                      a stuntman,              583 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:21,561         I was already available                   for that show.            584 00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:25,357              That is--                  I had never heard that story.     585 00:25:25,398 --> 00:25:29,236       But you know, that tells me            that Bill Cosby was doing      586 00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:31,738            what he could do                      to effect change           587 00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:33,573       on behalf of Black people.      588 00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:35,325        He made a huge impact.        589 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:36,826        So what the hell else                    we got to do?             590 00:25:36,868 --> 00:25:39,371              Fantastic.                  See, that's what I'm saying.     591 00:25:39,412 --> 00:25:41,748       That's the Cosby I know.       592 00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:44,209           And that's what                   I have to understand.         593 00:25:44,251 --> 00:25:46,670    Human beings are human beings.    594 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:51,591       So to put all of that--                oh, it's difficult.          595 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,386         [Nonie]   Mr. Poitier                  was very instrumental,        596 00:25:54,427 --> 00:25:56,596            and Mr. Belafonte                   was very instrumental        597 00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:59,808          in the progression                   of Black stuntmen.          598 00:25:59,849 --> 00:26:03,061        But it was Bill Cosby                    who stood up              599 00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:04,479              and took                      that first initial risk        600 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:05,981               to say,                601 00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:08,608        "I need a Black person                   to double me,             602 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:10,360      and that's that, period."       603 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:15,782                                      604 00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:18,994                I am                      a documentary film producer      605 00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,370         currently producing          606 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:22,664            Breaking Bones,                      Breaking Barriers,          607 00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:25,834          about the history                of Black stunt performers.      608 00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:28,295            My grandfather                     is Ernie Robinson.          609 00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:31,256         He is one of the first              Black stuntmen in Hollywood     610 00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:34,551         to fight for diversity                    and inclusion             611 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,054                for women                     and minorities in stunts.      612 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:41,808            I interviewed                     Bill Cosby in 2014.          613 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:43,476             Oh my gosh.              614 00:26:43,518 --> 00:26:47,147            When I think                 about that interview, I beam.     615 00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:49,816         It was so unbelievable.       616 00:26:49,858 --> 00:26:52,777           He invited our crew                      to his home.             617 00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:55,155       As an African American             filmmaker, and I'm a woman,      618 00:26:55,196 --> 00:26:57,991           and I was a part                  of a Cosby generation,        619 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,160        for me, it was just--         620 00:27:00,201 --> 00:27:03,079         it was unimaginable              that this could be possible,     621 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:05,957       that this was happening.       622 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:09,502         I had not really heard              anything about allegations      623 00:27:09,544 --> 00:27:11,504  prior to my interview with him,    624 00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:14,674    so I started learning about it            after our interview.         625 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:25,644       [Nonie]   I was at a loss                      for words.              626 00:27:25,685 --> 00:27:27,729          I was very angry.           627 00:27:27,771 --> 00:27:32,025          I felt conflicted.                    I felt let down.           628 00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:36,696      It was a very serious matter          that needed to be sorted out.    629 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:40,492           So I think it was                  a better position for us       630 00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:43,870           to cut the footage.         631 00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:46,790        But I don't think that           I can speak to the allegations    632 00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:49,376         because that wasn't                    my experience,             633 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:51,711           and I feel like                      I can only speak           634 00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:55,799    to what my experience was like         in his presence filming him.     635 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,218     That's the Mr. Cosby I know.     636 00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:04,182         Part of the reason                  why he was able to do         637 00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:05,975       what he did for so long,       638 00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:08,103       nobody wanted to believe              those kinds of things.        639 00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:11,773      Nobody wanted to imagine            that these things were real      640 00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,942         when we're thinking                    about somebody             641 00:28:13,983 --> 00:28:17,445          who is respectable                 and clean-cut and nice        642 00:28:17,487 --> 00:28:21,574  and has sort of made his living    643 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:24,411        as the nice Black guy                    in the room.              644 00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:25,954      [reporter]   The boys are on                a break right now.          645 00:28:25,995 --> 00:28:27,330        Would there be any chance      646 00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:30,291          of getting Mr. Cosby                   and Mr. Covaline--          647 00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:32,502      [interviewee]   Well, I see            Mr. Cosby here in the company    648 00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,796      of a glamorous young lady       649 00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:38,258           who is probably               our next important movie star,    650 00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:40,260             and I wonder                  if we could prevail on him      651 00:28:40,301 --> 00:28:41,594      bring that young lady in.       652 00:28:41,636 --> 00:28:43,805                -Yes.                                -Bill?                653 00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:45,306         Isn't she beautiful?         654 00:28:45,348 --> 00:28:48,226      Introduce this young lady            to the Las Vegas public?        655 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:49,769       -What do you say, Bill?              -How are you, Mr. Cosby?       656 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,104        Hey, how are you sir?         657 00:28:51,146 --> 00:28:52,355      Is this your little girl?       658 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:55,692         Yes, this is my son,                    the daughter.             659 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,987     [Kamau]   In 196d, Bill Cosby             meets a college student        660 00:28:59,028 --> 00:29:01,197          named Camille Hanks.         661 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,117            By all accounts,                 she was above his station.      662 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:06,369        They get married in 1964       663 00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:08,913            and have a child                       the next year.            664 00:29:08,955 --> 00:29:10,957     [Cosby]   Well, I'm gonna have                 about 30 kids.            665 00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:12,333               [laughter]              666 00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:14,419          And my wife can't do                   a thing about it,           667 00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:16,463         'cause she's Catholic.        668 00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:18,298               [laughter]              669 00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:20,633      If she refuses me, I'll take             her right to the pope.        670 00:29:20,675 --> 00:29:23,928         Pope. If she says naw,             "Pope says you gotta do it."     671 00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:25,889                Ha ha ha.              672 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,474        [Kamau]   The beginning                 of Bill Cosby's career        673 00:29:27,515 --> 00:29:29,100           moved super quick.          674 00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:32,353         In 1962, he's a single               childless college dropout      675 00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:34,189       who people think is funny.      676 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:37,192          By 1965, he's married                    with a family,            677 00:29:37,233 --> 00:29:39,986       and he's one of the hottest             comics in the country.        678 00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:42,989          He wins Best Actor                  in a Dramatic Series         679 00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:45,450          three years in a row.        680 00:29:45,492 --> 00:29:47,827              [Jamilah]                      While he's filming   I Spy,      681 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:51,456         he's also recording                    comedy albums.             682 00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:52,665    [Cosby]   This is a true story.     683 00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:54,000             Happened to me                       in San Francisco.          684 00:29:54,042 --> 00:29:55,335          I had a tooth pulled.        685 00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:57,420             First of all,                  Novocain does not kill pain.     686 00:29:57,462 --> 00:30:00,673             It postpones it                    and gives it a chance        687 00:30:00,715 --> 00:30:04,594      to build little pain buddies          over to the side, you know.      688 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,262       Every year, a new album                     came out.               689 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,348            Bill Cosby's                  A Very Funny Fellow Right!,      690 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:10,183      I Started Out As A Child,       691 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,936       and then   Why Is There Air,             and then   Wonderfulness,        692 00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:15,522            and then   Revenge,                     and then   Russell.          693 00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:16,856            Year after year,                       he was winning            694 00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,275        all these Grammy awards.       695 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:21,986     He has, like, six in a row,           like, some crazy record.        696 00:30:22,028 --> 00:30:23,988       [Jamilah]   Bill Cosby is                    a family man.             697 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:24,948          He's more successful         698 00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:26,366              than he ever             699 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:28,368       could have imagined being.      700 00:30:28,409 --> 00:30:31,037           He's no longer just                    the up-and-comer.          701 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,373           He has arrived.            702 00:30:33,414 --> 00:30:35,041              [Tressie]                      Usually, part of the deal      703 00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:36,543        with becoming a celebrity      704 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:37,877      is that your private life       705 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,421          now becomes open                   to public discussion.         706 00:30:40,463 --> 00:30:43,591       But the way his public life                was constructed,           707 00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:47,512       we felt like we were seeing           enough of his private life      708 00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:49,764         that we didn't need               to ask any more questions.      709 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,766         And I was real happy         710 00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:53,434      to borrow our next guest.       711 00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:55,186      We got him from one of the      712 00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:57,772    season's top TV shows,   I Spy.     713 00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:00,567     It's great to have him back            with us again tonight.         714 00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:03,862           -Mr. Bill Cosby.                       -[applause]              715 00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:05,864     [Tressie]   If you knew of him                    as, like,              716 00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:07,907        the Hollywood creation                    from   I Spy,              717 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:10,076  he was absolutely, at one time,    718 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,537         the sort of sexualized,       719 00:31:12,579 --> 00:31:15,582      young, potential heartthrob.     720 00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:17,584            [interviewee]                  The spy is here, Bill Cosby.     721 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:19,085         Bill Cosby is here.                       The spy.                722 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,837         I got a story here.          723 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,881              You mumble                     when you tell stories.        724 00:31:22,922 --> 00:31:24,090           He's a mumbler.            725 00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:25,884         [Kierna]   The veneer          726 00:31:25,925 --> 00:31:27,677         that Cosby represented        727 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:30,430       was always about progress.      728 00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:33,141       Folks who were thinking              about what could be next       729 00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:36,394     and what could be possible,            he stepped in that gap.        730 00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:37,937     But the truth of the matter      731 00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:40,773         is that the machine                that creates Hollywood,        732 00:31:40,815 --> 00:31:43,776     the machine that even allows            a Cosby to come forth,        733 00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:46,905       is one that's rife with                     misogyny                734 00:31:46,946 --> 00:31:50,617           and active kind of                    behind-the-scenes           735 00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:55,496       and in-front-of-the-scenes               oppression of women.         736 00:31:55,538 --> 00:31:56,956        It's just a time when,        737 00:31:56,998 --> 00:31:58,625       if you are a womanizer,        738 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:01,586           you will be patted                    on the back for it.         739 00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:04,756              You could be                      a high-profile actor         740 00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:08,635      and go about your business            having multiple affairs,       741 00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:13,473    and it never, ever interfered          with this public persona        742 00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:17,101          that you have crafted                  with your PR folks.         743 00:32:17,143 --> 00:32:18,603            Are you a man             744 00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,898          of good character                where women are concerned?      745 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,483       Have you ever met a man                 of good character           746 00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:25,318      where women are concerned?      747 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,072  There was a culture that was...    748 00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:30,740       people would look away.        749 00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:31,824         "Boys will be boys."         750 00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:34,994              Man talk.               751 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,287               [Kamau]                        And if we're gonna talk       752 00:32:36,329 --> 00:32:38,331        about "boys will be boys"                   in the '60s,             753 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:41,709        then we got to talk about             Hugh Hefner and   Playboy.       754 00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,295     [crewperson] It's queued up.               Just press play.           755 00:32:46,214 --> 00:32:48,007          [Barbara Walters]                     Standard equipment          756 00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:50,009        is the Bunny cotton tail.      757 00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,345            Pair of ears.                         Here's one.              758 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:53,721        Are most of the girls                     embarrassed              759 00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,807         when they first put                  these costumes on?           760 00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:57,225             Not hardly.              761 00:32:57,266 --> 00:33:00,853               I'd say                       about one out of 143.         762 00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:04,065     Darling, I'm two out of 143.              I feel ridiculous.          763 00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,067       I can't believe I didn't                know this existed.          764 00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:09,278     [Walters]   When my turn came,             I felt pretty awkward.        765 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,407       But at least I didn't spill           anything on the customers.      766 00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:14,200      Later, when I left the club,     767 00:33:14,242 --> 00:33:17,829            the doorman asked               if I wasn't taking off early.    768 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:19,539           "Well," I replied,                      very grandly,             769 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:22,875      "after all, I'm not a Bunny.                 I'm a reporter            770 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,044      for the National Broadcasting                   Company."              771 00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:26,879             "Gee," he said,                 "you could have fooled me."     772 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:28,631      And you know something, Hugh?    773 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:31,300       I must admit that secretly         I think I was kind of pleased.    774 00:33:31,342 --> 00:33:34,220            And that's it.                    That's Bunny school.         775 00:33:34,262 --> 00:33:35,471        You should be pleased.        776 00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:37,223     -You make a very cute Bunny.                 -Thank you.              777 00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:38,683       You know, the amazing thing                   is, though,             778 00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:40,059        They are more chaperoned,                      really,               779 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:41,894      than in a television studio.     780 00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:43,980       It has been said, even,                that the atmosphere          781 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,066     is almost depressingly moral             in the Playboy Club          782 00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:49,360           because there's                  no hanky-panky whatever.       783 00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:51,070     And the furor that's raised                 about it is--             784 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,280      [Renee]   That's disgusting.      785 00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:54,615           Hugh Downs, man.                        Who knew?               786 00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:56,409       But I enjoyed seeing you                   as a Bunny.              787 00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:57,618              Thank you.              788 00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:58,953               [Downs]                     We have a station break now.     789 00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:01,414                 Eww.                 790 00:34:01,456 --> 00:34:04,459                 Eww!                              [laughing]              791 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,085        "I enjoyed seeing you                    as a Bunny."              792 00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,047       Every woman I know is...                      "Ugh."                793 00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:13,801            Playboy Club.             794 00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:17,221       I was a cigarette Bunny             doing cigars, cigarettes,       795 00:34:17,263 --> 00:34:18,890             Tiparillos.              796 00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:22,435       Playboy lighters, $1.05.       797 00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:25,021               [laughs]               798 00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:28,941  [Pitzulo]   Hefner and Bill Cosby          were friends for decades.       799 00:34:28,983 --> 00:34:32,779         They became friends             both through civil rights work    800 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:34,781              as well as                    through the comedy scene       801 00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,116          at the Playboy Club.         802 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:40,286  We had a lot of jazz musicians,               Gary Crosby,              803 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:43,456        all of the old comedians,                    Redd Foxx,              804 00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:45,083            and Jackie Gayle.          805 00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:46,959        I worked for this man          for years in the Playboy Clubs.    806 00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:48,461    I worked there so many years,     807 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,546       I started to recognize             the bunnies by their faces.      808 00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,256     We all schmoozed with them.      809 00:34:52,298 --> 00:34:54,133      They were all our buddies,         you know, and then we'd all go    810 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:55,802           and have breakfast                    across the street           811 00:34:55,843 --> 00:34:58,262         after we got off work.        812 00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:00,640           The difference                   between a Playboy Bunny        813 00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:02,433       and a Playboy Playmate:        814 00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:06,521             a Playboy Bunny                was the waitress in the club.    815 00:35:06,562 --> 00:35:11,067         A Playboy Playmate                   was the centerfold.          816 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,069        Now, you could be both                     or either.              817 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,613               I was both.             818 00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:18,116        I didn't meet Hugh Hefner                  until we opened           819 00:35:18,157 --> 00:35:20,451         the Playboy Club in LA.       820 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,578         The big deal of the day       821 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,164       was when Hef would come out                  from Chicago.            822 00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:27,750           Then they'd have                  the big cocktail party        823 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:30,920          in his penthouse                at the top of the building.      824 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:34,507          funk music playing         825 00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:38,177      He was so skinny, and he was          standing there with a pipe,      826 00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,930       and all of these girls              were swarming around him.       827 00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:43,349                                      828 00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:46,811      And he walked over to me,                  and he said,              829 00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:48,646      "Oh, Victoria Valentino."       830 00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:50,523         And, typical of me,          831 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,025             I looked up,                  and I said, "And you are?"      832 00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:55,653            And I made him                     introduce himself.          833 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,781               [laughs]               834 00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:01,742     [reporter] A typical Bunny.              Young, she's fresh.          835 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:04,203  She has a pleasant personality,            a fabulous figure,           836 00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:07,165     and she works like a Trojan.     837 00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:08,875           What was it like                      being a Bunny?            838 00:36:08,916 --> 00:36:10,793         You look at my face?         839 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,628          It was incredible.          840 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,840             upbeat music            841 00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:17,008          [British reporter]                The 30-million-pound empire     842 00:36:17,049 --> 00:36:18,509              built around                      the simple principle         843 00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:20,845         that most people like                to look at pretty girls.       844 00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:23,181             In this case,                   well-trained pretty girls.      845 00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:24,724    [man] Move along, move along,                 move along.              846 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:32,523        Well, put it this way.        847 00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:34,567          If there was equality                      for women,              848 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:36,235       especially during the '60s,     849 00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,362        I can go along with that.      850 00:36:38,404 --> 00:36:42,241       But honey, I didn't like                making $50 a week.          851 00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:43,576             You got it?              852 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,746           But as a Bunny,                   we made between $1,000        853 00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:49,749      to $2,000 a week in cash.       854 00:36:55,296 --> 00:36:57,757         I always felt used.          855 00:36:57,798 --> 00:37:00,218           A lot of the girls                   didn't feel that way.        856 00:37:00,259 --> 00:37:02,220         They were saving money                     for college,             857 00:37:02,261 --> 00:37:04,430          they were supporting                    their children,            858 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:05,890       they were buying houses,       859 00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:10,061      and I was feeling demeaned                and diminished.            860 00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:11,812         Now, when she places                      this one,               861 00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,065     you notice that she is doing          what we call a Bunny dip.       862 00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:16,442     We would dip, dip this way,      863 00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:20,238     and we would serve this way,                  this way.               864 00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:23,157      That's absolutely correct.      865 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,077     [Victoria]   Looked glamorous                 on the surface,            866 00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,704        but if you didn't have                your ears straight,          867 00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:30,206       if your tail wasn't clean,      868 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:32,833            if you had a run                      in your stocking,          869 00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:34,168         you would get demerits.       870 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:37,129       It was a very hard job.        871 00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,716               We were                      very well taken care of.       872 00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:42,885              One man said,                      "I'm not gonna have         873 00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:44,887         that nigger gal waiting                    on my table."            874 00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:47,640      Honey, I went over there            and told the room director.      875 00:37:47,682 --> 00:37:49,475      He walked back over there,                  and he said,             876 00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:52,144              "May I see                     your Playboy key card?        877 00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:53,980          Get the "mm" out.           878 00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:57,316     [Victoria]   If we got too fat              and didn't look good         879 00:37:57,358 --> 00:37:59,735         in our Bunny costumes,                   we'd get fired.            880 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,280           The bunnies had                      their own doctor           881 00:38:02,321 --> 00:38:06,158  who prescribed us amphetamines.    882 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120       We were being plugged into      883 00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:11,080           a particular image.         884 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:14,875    You know, we were a collection               of body parts.            885 00:38:14,917 --> 00:38:17,795                                      886 00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:21,465     Bill Cosby, who we associate                   as being               887 00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:23,843       a very family-friendly,                    G-rated act              888 00:38:23,884 --> 00:38:27,221        may seem incongruous           in the Playboy Club atmosphere.    889 00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:28,639       But really, in those days,      890 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:32,393      nobody expected their comedy                  to be dirty.             891 00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:36,022                Uh...                 892 00:38:36,063 --> 00:38:38,274         no, it couldn't be.          893 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:41,319         [Kliph]   Ultimately,                  it was a classy venue.        894 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,237         They hired classy acts,       895 00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:45,406         so it wasn't really                    beyond the norm            896 00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:50,369     for a comic like Bill Cosby            to be performing there.        897 00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:53,873        [Kamau]   This is where            looking back gets complicated,    898 00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:55,541         because the definition                  of family-friendly          899 00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,376           is always changing.         900 00:38:57,418 --> 00:39:00,004              What counted                  as family-friendly back then     901 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,214            wouldn't fly now.          902 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:14,935        [Wayne]   On the album                 "It's True! It's True!",       903 00:39:14,977 --> 00:39:16,395          he does this routine         904 00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:18,272         which now seems like         905 00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:19,648    it might have been a red flag.    906 00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:27,406            [grunting noises]          907 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,544              Ha ha ha ha!             908 00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,381     I had that album as a kid.           I remember listening to it.      909 00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:47,093     At the time, it just seemed           like, "Oh, this is funny        910 00:39:47,134 --> 00:39:49,387      that something could turn             someone on like that."         911 00:39:49,428 --> 00:39:52,723      You thought it was like,            I don't know, like oysters.      912 00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:54,892      [announcer]   Spanish Fly is               the name of the game,        913 00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:56,685       and everyone wants to play.     914 00:39:56,727 --> 00:40:00,106           All of a sudden,                    I feel very weird.          915 00:40:00,147 --> 00:40:02,274           Can't you wait?            916 00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:03,859                -No.                            -Neither can I.            917 00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:05,611               [Chris]                         I remember as a kid,         918 00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:07,446       and I hope I don't get            in trouble for saying this...     919 00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:09,532            It was before                      I was having sex.           920 00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:11,867     But I remember, I think even         on the back of a comic book,     921 00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:14,286        you could get some stuff                 called Spanish Fly          922 00:40:14,328 --> 00:40:15,746       and you put it in a drink.      923 00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,123        It was time to party.         924 00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:21,085         I remember him talking                  about Spanish Fly           925 00:40:21,127 --> 00:40:22,461          in one of his albums,        926 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:23,963             and I was like,                   "Oh, shit, Spanish Fly.       927 00:40:24,004 --> 00:40:26,382       Man, when I start fucking,            I want some Spanish Fly."       928 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,467      I didn't know what it was.      929 00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:29,802               -Hello.                          -How's it going?           930 00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:31,137       I'd like a half a dozen        931 00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:32,638             of your best                    Spanish Flies, please.        932 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,141         -[speaking Spanish]                      -All right.              933 00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:37,601             -Oh, Jesus.                      -[speaking Spanish]          934 00:40:37,643 --> 00:40:39,603                 Run!                 935 00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:45,693         [crewperson speaking                    indistinctly]             936 00:40:45,734 --> 00:40:47,319     My name is Hamilton Morris.      937 00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:51,157     I am a journalist, and I've         spent the last 12 or so years     938 00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:54,994      traveling around the world,           studying psychoactive drugs.     939 00:40:55,035 --> 00:40:59,498          Spanish Fly is--                   it's an actual insect         940 00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:02,460        that produces a chemical                called cantharidin.          941 00:41:02,501 --> 00:41:05,337             And cantharidin                       is an irritant            942 00:41:05,379 --> 00:41:08,257               that causes                       a burning sensation         943 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,594           in the urethra when              it's eliminated by urination,    944 00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:15,181      and that burning sensation                can be confused            945 00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:18,517             with a sort                     of sexual stimulation,        946 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,019      or an aphrodisiac effect.       947 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:23,522       Yes, it's a real thing.        948 00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:38,204               [laughter]              949 00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:44,168          [cheers and applause]        950 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:59,099         That was accepting?                  Like, that's crazy.          951 00:41:59,141 --> 00:42:01,560             Ooh, yeah,                that doesn't age well, does it?    952 00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:03,687         The Spanish Fly bit.         953 00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,273         Maybe it's innocent,                      maybe not.              954 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:09,652          But if you listen                to that Spanish Fly joke,       955 00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:12,154        the motherfucker tells                     on itself.              956 00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:15,533     [Wayne]   The album is called             It's True! It's True!         957 00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:18,744         That almost could be                   like a summation           958 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,829         for the prosecution.         959 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:22,831    And I think people just turned              a deaf ear to it           960 00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:26,377       and just kind of, like,                    put it off               961 00:42:26,418 --> 00:42:28,212        to being just a joke.         962 00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:31,215         But I mean, clearly,               you have the indications       963 00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:34,051     that there's something wrong                with this man.            964 00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:37,721     Bill Cosby, it seems to me,               has been leaving            965 00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:41,642     something like bread crumbs          all throughout his career,       966 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:44,436              pointing                     to his guilty conscience.       967 00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:46,647          [Kamau]   Okay, this                Spanish Fly thing is weird.     968 00:42:46,689 --> 00:42:48,816        As a comic, I'm not going                     to judge               969 00:42:48,857 --> 00:42:50,776               every comic                    for every joke they tell.      970 00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:53,612        But Bill Cosby was still              telling Spanish Fly jokes      971 00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:55,781        more than 20 years later.      972 00:42:55,823 --> 00:42:57,449           This is from 1991.          973 00:42:57,491 --> 00:42:58,617             Spanish Fly.             974 00:42:58,659 --> 00:42:59,952         [Larry King] We knew                     what it was.             975 00:42:59,994 --> 00:43:03,414             Spanish Fly                  was the thing that all boys      976 00:43:03,455 --> 00:43:07,126     from age 11 on up to death,      977 00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:10,921      we will still be searching                for Spanish Fly.           978 00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:12,131      [Larry King] That's right.      979 00:43:12,172 --> 00:43:14,133        And what was the old--                 the old story was,          980 00:43:14,174 --> 00:43:17,636     if you took a little drop--          it was on the head of a...       981 00:43:17,678 --> 00:43:19,096             [both] Pin.              982 00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:22,057    [Kamau]   Ugh, why does he know                  the dosage?              983 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:25,269    [slowed] On the head of a pin.    984 00:43:25,311 --> 00:43:27,980        [Kamau]   Oh, the famous               Larry King Live   clip.         985 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,482         Lot of you've seen it.                   But did you know           986 00:43:30,524 --> 00:43:32,318            that he was there          987 00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:35,154      promoting his book   Childhood,    988 00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:40,242       and   Childhood   has an entire           chapter about Spanish Fly?      989 00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:44,663      And Spanish Fly is mentioned             in the book 15 times.         990 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:48,000    -And you put it in her drink.          -Drop it into Coca-Cola.        991 00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:49,793         -It doesn't matter.                  -It doesn't make a--         992 00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:51,170     and the girl would drink it,                    and...                993 00:43:51,211 --> 00:43:53,339            -She's yours.                       -Hello America.            994 00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:57,176    And he's on   Larry King Live,         taking about the Spanish Fly.     995 00:43:57,217 --> 00:44:00,471      "You just got to put just          a pin, just the head of a pin,    996 00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:02,681        and oh boy, God bless                     America"--               997 00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:05,893             whoa, whoa.              998 00:44:05,934 --> 00:44:08,020     And Larry was like, "Yeah,           tell us how you do it, huh?      999 00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:09,688          How is it, Cosby?                    How do you do it?"          1000 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:12,274     And he's just talking about              how to drug women.           1001 00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:14,193      There was this narrative             that it always been there       1002 00:44:14,234 --> 00:44:16,362         in the undercurrent                     of his comedy             1003 00:44:16,403 --> 00:44:19,073        about drugging women,         1004 00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:22,368        that we had all mutually             agreed to never talk about      1005 00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:24,787    and to never connect the dots.    1006 00:44:24,828 --> 00:44:28,207       What Cosby, from almost              day one, was telling us        1007 00:44:28,248 --> 00:44:30,000       that he was willing to,        1008 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:32,294      and didn't think anything               was strange about,           1009 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:33,837           putting things                      in women's drinks           1010 00:44:33,879 --> 00:44:36,048          to get them to do                what he wanted them to do.      1011 00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:40,052      So when we fast forward,           it's not a huge leap to think     1012 00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:42,388     that what Cosby was talking               about in the '60s           1013 00:44:42,429 --> 00:44:44,306            he was doing.             1014 00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:01,490             [Victoria]                       It was the end of '69.        1015 00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:04,284             September 6th.            1016 00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:06,495         I was under contract                  to Capitol Records          1017 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:09,498  to do an album of my own songs.    1018 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,042         I had a music attorney        1019 00:45:12,084 --> 00:45:14,795      by the name of Martin Cohen.     1020 00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:19,299         He was giving a party                to celebrate my contract       1021 00:45:19,341 --> 00:45:23,679        and his new wine cellar               that he had just bought.       1022 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:27,766              My son, Tony,                       and I were there.          1023 00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:29,893          He had just turned                     six years old.            1024 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,232       He was saving grasshoppers                who were drowning           1025 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:38,610          in the swimming pool.        1026 00:45:38,652 --> 00:45:40,112           Martin told me                     to go in the house.          1027 00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:41,572     His sister-in-law, I think,      1028 00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:45,242       was coming up the steps               with a case of wine.          1029 00:45:45,284 --> 00:45:48,746          Martin was still out                      by the pool.             1030 00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:51,248      Then he, all of a sudden,               was in the kitchen           1031 00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:53,542       pulling bottles of wine             out of the case and going,      1032 00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:55,627     "Oh, this is a great wine--              oh, where's Tony?"           1033 00:45:55,669 --> 00:45:58,964               [gasps]                1034 00:45:59,006 --> 00:46:02,009           And I ran outside.          1035 00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,137         Found him face down                     on the bottom             1036 00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:07,181     of the deep end of the pool.     1037 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:10,017    My beautiful wise little man.     1038 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:19,526            So at that point,                     my life was over.          1039 00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:24,364             somber music            1040 00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:27,284    What happened with Bill Cosby     1041 00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:29,369      was just a few short weeks      1042 00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:34,124     after my little boy drowned.     1043 00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:37,169            My roommate and I                  went to this restaurant       1044 00:46:37,211 --> 00:46:39,171               right next                      to the Whisky a Go Go.        1045 00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,840        It was like the new cool              steakhouse on the Strip        1046 00:46:41,882 --> 00:46:44,927          called Sneaky Pete's.        1047 00:46:44,968 --> 00:46:47,513          I was just having                a terrible, terrible day,       1048 00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:51,099         grieving, and Cosby                  came to our table.           1049 00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:54,686       He was chatting her up.        1050 00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:57,648      It was clear that they had               their thing going,          1051 00:46:57,689 --> 00:46:59,691     so I was just sitting there,         kind of rearranging the food     1052 00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:02,361             on my plate                     and glass of red wine,        1053 00:47:02,402 --> 00:47:03,821     and I wasn't participating,      1054 00:47:03,862 --> 00:47:06,990      and all of his corny jokes              were not moving me.          1055 00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:10,202     And finally, he reached over     1056 00:47:10,244 --> 00:47:13,956            and put a pill                   next to my wine glass,        1057 00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:16,625        and said, "Take that.         1058 00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:20,546     It'll make you feel better.       It'll make us all feel better."    1059 00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:24,049        And then he put a pill                 next to her glass,          1060 00:47:24,091 --> 00:47:28,262     and then he did like this,           as if he was taking a pill.      1061 00:47:28,303 --> 00:47:31,849     The pill started kicking in,     1062 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:33,892       and suddenly, you know,        1063 00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:35,561      couldn't keep my head up,       1064 00:47:35,602 --> 00:47:39,940       and her head was bobbing                in her plate, too,          1065 00:47:39,982 --> 00:47:44,903          and slurring words                 and feeling nauseated,        1066 00:47:44,945 --> 00:47:49,074        and I have this memory                that he reached out          1067 00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:52,077        and put another pill                 in my mouth directly.         1068 00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:58,000    And it just got to the point,           and I think it was me--        1069 00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:01,670       it could have been her--            said, "I want to go home."      1070 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:04,131          So he said, "Okay.                    I'll take you."            1071 00:48:04,172 --> 00:48:06,341          We were probably                   not looking very good         1072 00:48:06,383 --> 00:48:10,012         to be in public with                    at that point.            1073 00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:12,598            So we went up                     to the parking lot.          1074 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,016       I got in the back seat,        1075 00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:15,893             and she was                     in the front with him,        1076 00:48:15,934 --> 00:48:17,561            and suddenly,                     we're going through          1077 00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:20,939        all those little windy              Hollywood Hills streets,       1078 00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:25,193       and I'm in the back seat                  with spinners,            1079 00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,322      and then, all of a sudden,                the car stopped.           1080 00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:32,409           There we were,                   parked kind of nose up,        1081 00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:33,785     and I looked, and there was      1082 00:48:33,827 --> 00:48:36,413        this--like a townhouse        1083 00:48:36,455 --> 00:48:39,374          kind of building.           1084 00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:44,338      And he said, "Oh, I want            to show you girls my awards      1085 00:48:44,379 --> 00:48:48,008     and things," and I'm going--             I didn't want to go.         1086 00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:49,801    I didn't want to go anywhere.     1087 00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:52,596       I just wanted to go home                and curl up in bed          1088 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:54,222         and maybe throw up.          1089 00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:57,976        And got in this little               elevator, took us up.         1090 00:48:58,018 --> 00:49:00,979            I think it was                    to the second floor,         1091 00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:03,941         and opened the door,         1092 00:49:03,982 --> 00:49:05,734        and it was no office.         1093 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:08,695        And then she went over                    immediately              1094 00:49:08,737 --> 00:49:12,032       and sat on the love seat               up against the wall          1095 00:49:12,074 --> 00:49:16,119     and keeled over on her side,              just...like that.           1096 00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:18,580  And I sat down on the love seat    1097 00:49:18,622 --> 00:49:21,083      and just put my head back.      1098 00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:23,919          And I don't know               whether I passed out or what.     1099 00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:26,922     All of a sudden, I remember,          everything was so silent,       1100 00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:30,008           it woke me up,                and I remember looking around     1101 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:33,303            and seeing him                    sitting next to her,         1102 00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:36,598     and he was just looking down           on her and looking down,       1103 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,726      looking down, and she was              completely out of it.         1104 00:49:39,768 --> 00:49:42,020                Gone.                 1105 00:49:42,062 --> 00:49:44,940       And I realized instantly             by the look on his face        1106 00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:48,777       and bulge in his pants,           what was going to happen next,    1107 00:49:48,819 --> 00:49:53,156      and so I started reaching               over and going ...           1108 00:49:53,198 --> 00:49:56,994    I was trying to say something,          but what was in my head        1109 00:49:57,035 --> 00:50:00,288  and was coming out of my mouth,       it just sounded like garble.      1110 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:02,290         He kept ignoring me,         1111 00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:05,377     and then he started getting       this irritated look on his face    1112 00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:07,504    because I was distracting him.    1113 00:50:07,546 --> 00:50:09,840     And then he finally started              getting so annoyed           1114 00:50:09,881 --> 00:50:11,967           and I could just                     see this whole--           1115 00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:15,053     his face changing, you know,           this anger coming over,        1116 00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,639          and he stood up,             and he came walking towards me,    1117 00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:19,975          and I got panicky,                     and I stood up            1118 00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,477       and then lost my balance              and grabbed onto him,         1119 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,229      and the next thing I knew,               I was on my knees           1120 00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:27,566     in front of the sofa, and...     1121 00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:29,234               well...                1122 00:50:31,945 --> 00:50:34,281         He orally raped me,          1123 00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:37,409       and then he stood me up                 and bent me over            1124 00:50:37,451 --> 00:50:41,079        and did me doggy style                     and split.              1125 00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:44,750  And as he's going out the door,            I said...[mumbles]           1126 00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:48,128    "How are we going--how are we            getting out of here?"         1127 00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:50,547               And he--                     how are we getting home?       1128 00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:53,091        And he just pointed--              he didn't even look at me.      1129 00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:57,095       He pointed to the desk,             and he said, "Call a cab,"      1130 00:50:57,137 --> 00:50:59,139       and he slammed the door.       1131 00:50:59,181 --> 00:51:02,934      And the horrible thing is,              I said "Thank you."          1132 00:51:05,979 --> 00:51:08,774          For years, every time               I'd drive down the Strip,      1133 00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:11,610          I'd have to look away               when I passed that street      1134 00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:14,654          because I--you know,                 my stomach would twist.       1135 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,618     Here, he had taken advantage                 of my grief              1136 00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:22,454        and had no compassion,                    no empathy.              1137 00:51:22,496 --> 00:51:23,789           He didn't care.            1138 00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:25,749             I was just                      the sacrificial lamb.         1139 00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:28,543       I was collateral damage.           He didn't get what he wanted     1140 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:32,214          from my roommate,                 so he took it out on me.       1141 00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:40,472      Well, I don't think I ever              told her the details         1142 00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:45,018     because I was so humiliated.              I was so ashamed.           1143 00:51:46,812 --> 00:51:48,939         Never told anybody.          1144 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:52,692    I mean, told them that he had           gotten us drugged out,         1145 00:51:52,734 --> 00:51:55,278          or that, you know,             that he wasn't the nice person    1146 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,155    that everybody thought he was,    1147 00:51:57,197 --> 00:52:01,827          but I never said             what he specifically did to me.    1148 00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:03,578             I couldn't.              1149 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:06,456  I couldn't even think about it,        because you use the words,       1150 00:52:06,498 --> 00:52:08,708      then you have the images,           then you have the feelings,      1151 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:13,046       and then you, you know,           are washed with self-loathing.    1152 00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:15,841        I never talked about it.       1153 00:52:15,882 --> 00:52:18,009          I never told anybody                any of the dirty details       1154 00:52:18,051 --> 00:52:20,679    for years and years and years.    1155 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,348             I didn't know                  that there were other women.     1156 00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:25,517      I just thought it was me.       1157 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:27,352            [interviewer]                  So he drove you to an office,    1158 00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:29,437         some sort of a place                that was not his home,        1159 00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:31,439      -and then, what did he do?                   -Correct.               1160 00:52:31,481 --> 00:52:35,694     Opened his fly and had me...     1161 00:52:35,735 --> 00:52:37,821           perform oral sex           1162 00:52:37,863 --> 00:52:41,658          and then raped me.          1163 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,034               [Kamau]                        I think for many of us,       1164 00:52:43,076 --> 00:52:45,036        the hardest thing about               the Bill Cosby situation       1165 00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:47,080          is that we loved him                  for such a long time         1166 00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:51,001          before we ever heard              about any of the allegations.    1167 00:52:51,042 --> 00:52:53,587    It feels like new information.    1168 00:52:53,628 --> 00:52:58,258             But long before                    he was America's dad,        1169 00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,052       long before he was himself,     1170 00:53:01,094 --> 00:53:05,557          before we watched him             on Saturday morning cartoons,    1171 00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,934        before I was even born...      1172 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,899     The guys that frightened me          the most were the monsters.      1173 00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:17,402         [Kamau]   From almost               the very start of his career,    1174 00:53:17,444 --> 00:53:20,363      Cosby is alleged to have been              sexually assaulting         1175 00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:21,990            and raping women.          1176 00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:23,909      [interviewer]   He prepares                a cocktail for you.          1177 00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:25,994              [Kristina]                     Yes, a bourbon and seven.      1178 00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:28,914      I must have passed out again,            because when I awaken,        1179 00:53:28,955 --> 00:53:31,333        I found myself on a bed.       1180 00:53:31,374 --> 00:53:33,585             He had his hand                   on the back of my head.       1181 00:53:33,627 --> 00:53:35,253         [reporter]   She says                      he then tried             1182 00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:37,255         to force her to perform                      oral sex.              1183 00:53:37,297 --> 00:53:39,341               [Sunni]                      I had ordered a Coca-Cola.      1184 00:53:39,382 --> 00:53:41,676      I have never been a drinker.     1185 00:53:41,718 --> 00:53:45,180        And that was when things              began to become blurry.        1186 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:49,100         What I do remember next                 was waking up naked         1187 00:53:49,142 --> 00:53:50,393             in a bed alone.           1188 00:53:50,435 --> 00:53:51,728               [Carla]                   I turned around, and there was    1189 00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:53,104       nobody in the room at all,      1190 00:53:53,146 --> 00:53:55,232             just him and I.                       He grabbed me.            1191 00:53:55,273 --> 00:53:58,985        He had me up against him             and kissed me in the mouth.     1192 00:53:59,027 --> 00:54:02,197         And I just pushed him,              and I ran down the hallway.     1193 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,575       I was on   The Tonight Show.      1194 00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:07,369       I was in my dressing room.      1195 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:08,995           He opened the door.         1196 00:54:09,037 --> 00:54:10,664            He came up to me,          1197 00:54:10,705 --> 00:54:13,250        zippered down his pants,       1198 00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:16,753      and put my head on his penis.    1199 00:54:16,795 --> 00:54:18,004            [Linda Brown]                        When I awakened,           1200 00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:20,298              I was naked                      in the bed beside him.        1201 00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:23,969        I couldn't move or speak.                 I felt paralyzed.          1202 00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:26,721           He flipped me over                and sexually assaulted me.      1203 00:54:26,763 --> 00:54:27,889    [Cindra]   And I had a headache,    1204 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,432    and he brought back a capsule.    1205 00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:30,809           He wouldn't tell me                     what was in it            1206 00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:32,811              and was like,                  "Well, don't you trust me?"     1207 00:54:32,852 --> 00:54:34,562          Well, of course I do.                  It was Bill Cosby.          1208 00:54:34,604 --> 00:54:36,731      [Linda Traitz]   He starting               grabbing at my chest.        1209 00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,985             Then he started                to push himself on top of me.    1210 00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:41,319         That's when I panicked.       1211 00:54:41,361 --> 00:54:43,321            I opened the door                  and ran out of his car.       1212 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:47,492      [Joan]   I came to with him              taking off my underwear.       1213 00:54:47,534 --> 00:54:50,078       He pulled me up by my hair      1214 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,082          and shoved his penis                      in my mouth,             1215 00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:57,544      and I thought in that instant         that people are going to find    1216 00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:00,880              a naked body                     in a canyon somewhere.        1217 00:55:00,922 --> 00:55:02,924                                      1218 00:55:02,966 --> 00:55:06,511       Even though he was like         the kind of center of morality,    1219 00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:09,347                 then                    and all throughout his career,    1220 00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:11,975          it turns out that                 just behind the curtain,       1221 00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:15,395  there was the most immoral shit        you could imagine going on.      1222 00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,274      [Kamau]   But we didn't know                about any of that.          1223 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:23,361       The Bill Cosby we knew was            going through some changes,     1224 00:55:23,403 --> 00:55:26,614            like Black folks                      all over America.          1225 00:55:26,656 --> 00:55:28,533             [reporter]                       Dr. Martin Luther King        1226 00:55:28,575 --> 00:55:31,286         has been shot to death                in Memphis, Tennessee.        1227 00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:32,954       [Todd]   In the late '60s,       1228 00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:36,958               you have                    this shift in the culture,      1229 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,462    and it creates the opportunity    1230 00:55:40,503 --> 00:55:44,466       for a new representation                  of Blackness.             1231 00:55:44,507 --> 00:55:46,051               -I am--                          -[crowd] I am--            1232 00:55:46,092 --> 00:55:47,886               -Black.                          -[crowd] Black.            1233 00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:49,346               [Kamau]                      But as the culture shifted,     1234 00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:54,351            Black performers                      started to shift.          1235 00:55:54,392 --> 00:55:57,395         Cosby uses this moment                to transform his image        1236 00:55:57,437 --> 00:56:00,565        from late-night comedian                to radical educator.         1237 00:56:00,607 --> 00:56:03,276     Black people have to go out          and burn up the neighborhood     1238 00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:07,238    in order to get the community           to see what's going on.        1239 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,907               [Kamau]                      And this point is critical,     1240 00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:11,576        because it's Bill Cosby's                focus on education          1241 00:56:11,618 --> 00:56:14,621           that sows the seeds               for the rest of his career.     1242 00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:19,209    And nobody could have imagined       how big that career would get.    1243 00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:20,794      When we turned on the TV,       1244 00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:24,005        it was almost impossible               not to see Bill Cosby.        1245 00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:26,716           He was our teacher,                    and he was funny.          1246 00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:28,301       [person] And now welcome              the star of the show.         1247 00:56:28,343 --> 00:56:30,220       [Tressie]   Everybody knew               the show was happening,       1248 00:56:30,261 --> 00:56:32,097           this show called                       The Cosby Show.           1249 00:56:32,138 --> 00:56:33,640            [Marc]   I mean,                 there was just no way to know    1250 00:56:33,681 --> 00:56:37,143       how much America would fall             in love with this man.        1251 00:56:37,185 --> 00:56:39,437         You started hearing                     these things              1252 00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:42,899        that this guy is not                 who he appears to be.         1253 00:56:42,941 --> 00:56:46,444        We all know Bill Cosby                 as America's dad.           1254 00:56:46,486 --> 00:56:48,780          What in the world               did you think was going on?      1255 00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:52,534        He constructed himself                  as a role model.           1256 00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:57,247     There is a time when we have          to turn the mirror around.      1257 00:56:57,288 --> 00:57:01,918               He became                       a cultural icon, hero,        1258 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,337      not only for Black people,              but for all people.          1259 00:57:04,379 --> 00:57:05,505              Thank you.              1260 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,048           He looked at me,                       and he said,             1261 00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:08,383         "Fooled them again."         1262 00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:09,801        And suddenly, this is         1263 00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:11,469         no longer a rumbling                underneath the ground.        1264 00:57:11,511 --> 00:57:13,388            [interviewer]                  I have to ask about your name    1265 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,432                coming up                       in the news recently.        1266 00:57:15,473 --> 00:57:17,308               No, no,                       you don't answer that.        1267 00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:20,645  [interviewee]   It was impossible          to comprehend, impossible.      1268 00:57:20,687 --> 00:57:23,314         It was just like...no.        1269 00:57:23,356 --> 00:57:25,650           Not Bill Cosby.            1270 00:57:25,692 --> 00:57:27,819           I'm Bill Cosby,            1271 00:57:27,861 --> 00:57:30,155    and you take care of yourself.    159089

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