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(suspenseful tense music)
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(slow music)
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(car engine purring)
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- We were all born in Gary.
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I haven't really been here
since I was eight years old.
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(gentle slow music)
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- It's just something
that needs to be done.
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It's never...
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You've had someone write
this unauthorised biography
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or someone else do something.
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Or they'll do a movie and it's candy cut.
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Oh look, I've never seen this.
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Turn the camera around, Ben.
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There's a mural of my brothers.
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Oh, I love that!
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(tense music)
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(slow gentle music)
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(Janet weeps)
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That's so sweet.
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They're all looking upward.
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Except for Mike.
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He's looking straight out.
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See?
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Always so nosy. (giggles)
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(crowd cheering)
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- [Presenter 1] Michael, Marlon, Jermaine,
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Tito and Jackie, the
mighty, mighty Jackson 5.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Presenter 2] When
the Jackson 5 came out
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with their first hit single,
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they had a baby sister at home.
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- [Presenter 3] The youngest,
in a talented family of nine.
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- [Michael] Ladies and gentlemen,
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I'd like to introduce Janet Jackson.
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(suspenseful ceremonious music)
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- [Janet] This is a story
about control, my control,
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control of what I say,
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control of what I do and this
time, I'm gonna do it my way.
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(dramatic bang)
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♪ And now I know what I've got to take ♪
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- [Presenter 4] As one
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of the world's most gifted superstars.
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- [Presenter 5] She is a
platinum selling singer.
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- [Presenter 4] The queen of
pop, soul, country, everything.
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- [Presenter 5] The legendary
queen of black girl magic,
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Miss Janet Jackson.
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(crowd cheering)
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(audience clapping)
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(dramatic music)
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(audience clapping)
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- We're the Jacksons.
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I'm Michael Jackson.
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- Hi, I am Jackie Jackson
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and I'm the senior member of the family.
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- Hi, I'm Marlon.
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- Hi, I'm Rebbie.
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- And I'm LaToya.
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- And I'm Randy Jackson.
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(audience cheers and whoops)
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- This is our little
sister, Janet Jackson.
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(audience claps)
(audience cheers)
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- That's right!
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I'm Janet Jackson and
nothing goes until I say go.
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(laughing)
(audience applauds and cheers)
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Okay, (finger snaps) go.
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(audience cheers)
(audience clapping)
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- It's a girl, three boys,
a girl, three boys, a girl.
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That's the, that's, that's how it goes.
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So, it's Rebbie, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine,
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Rebbie, Marlon, Michael, Randy and myself.
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Toya, Marlon, Michael, Randy and myself.
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That's the pattern,
that's how I get it right.
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(soulful music)
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♪ 2300 Jackson Street ♪
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- A lot of people think
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that they named this street after us,
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but it was always Jackson Street.
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♪ 2300 Jackson Street ♪
- I used to play
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on this street,
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it brings back so many memories.
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(audience clapping)
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- I kind of think of you as
the sap in our family tree.
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(all laughing)
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- We were probably as close
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as any brother and sister could be.
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We talk about everything.
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- Are you saying that you
don't think I'm very smart?
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We fight.
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She hits like a man.
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(crowd laughing)
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- Like cats and dogs, we'd fight.
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'Cause he would always
tease me, but we were close.
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Randy, myself and Mike.
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We were like "The Three
Amigos", "The Three Stooges".
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(bright music)
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- [Randy] Put on that
jacket, I'm freezing.
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- I am.
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- I didn't bring my jacket.
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- Why would, why wouldn't you do that?
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- It's inside.
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- Oh.
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- Come on.
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Come on, let's go.
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This is it.
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- What a sweet house!
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- All 670 square feet.
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For nine kids...
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- It's charming.
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- And, and two parents.
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When we were little this
house seemed so big.
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This is where we grew up,
played, fought, made music.
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This is where it started.
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(slow music)
(kids shouting)
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(upbeat music)
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- [Janet] Mother, are you cold?
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- Uh-huh.
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- [Janet] Just put it around you.
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There.
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(upbeat music)
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Mother, what was it like
living in that home,
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with nine children?
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- Life in the house in
Indiana wasn't easy,
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because it was only two bedrooms,
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a living room and a kitchen.
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And the kitchen was very, very tiny
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and we had to all try to
eat at the table. (laughs)
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- [Janet] I really don't remember much
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because I was two, three years old.
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- She was the cutest baby.
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To have a little sister,
that was really special.
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One thing I have to
say about little Janet,
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she's always been her own
lady, even then, you know?
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- Let's go inside, come on.
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- [Janet] Yeah, yeah.
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- [Randy] Yeah.
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- [Janet] I can't get over
how small this place is.
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- It is small.
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Do you remember where you
used to sleep in this house?
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- No.
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- Okay, let me tell you.
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There used to be a riviera sofa here.
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And you, LaToya and Rebbie
would sleep right here.
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- In the living room?
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- [Randy] Yeah.
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- You're kidding.
- Yeah, right here.
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- I was 16 when Janet was born.
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I was so happy when I found
out my mom had a girl.
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I love my brothers, but
all those big-headed boys,
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at least another girl
came along. (giggles)
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- This is where mom and Joseph slept.
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This is their room.
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- This was their room.
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- This is where our parents
slept, in this room.
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This is the one bathroom
that we all shared.
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This little bathroom.
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- So what would happen?
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- Well, what would happen was-
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- Because everybody had to go to school.
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- Yeah, we'd take turns using the bathroom
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and LaToya would always take too long
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and she still does that, okay?
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- You've got a lot of nerve, Randy.
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(Randy laughs)
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- This is your brothers' room.
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This is our room, the brothers.
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- Oh my gosh, six boys.
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- [Randy] And this wall,
there was a three tier-
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- Bunk beds.
- Bunk beds here.
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Jackie slept on the bottom.
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Marlon, myself and Michael
slept in the middle.
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And Jermaine and Tito slept at the top.
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- The three of you slept in one bunk bed?
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- Yeah, one bed and Marlon
and Michael used to pee on me.
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And, so, I was stuck in here. (laughs)
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This is a side window, where
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Michael had a little candy
store and I was his helper.
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And Marlon used to steal our candy.
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Right here.
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- People would come up to the window?
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- Yeah, and we would
sell candy out of the...
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We were making money
'cause, we'd buy the candy
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and try to sell it and Marlon
would steal it. (laughs)
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So, this window right here.
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(Randy and Janet laugh)
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There's nothing like memories,
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nothing like memories.
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- We knew we weren't rich, but
we didn't think we were poor.
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We'd seen poor people, that
don't even have a bite to eat.
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But we didn't know that
we were only a few plates
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from that as well.
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(somber music)
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- [Janet] My mother worked at Sears,
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and my father worked in the steel mill.
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He was a hard worker,
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and he did whatever it
took to feed his children.
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He didn't want his kids on the street,
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he didn't want his kids doing drugs.
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He wanted a better life for us.
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(gentle music)
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- [Randy] Gary was a tough town.
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For a long time, it had the
highest murders per capita,
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in any city in America.
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- [Joe] You had a lot of
gangs there, you know,
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and I had to make sure
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that they didn't get
into any type of trouble.
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- Underneath your father's
bed, he had a guitar.
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When your father would go to work,
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Tito would sneak in and play his guitar.
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- That's what I heard.
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(audience cheering and whistling)
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- I'm Tito.
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That's spelled T-I-T-O.
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The initial stands
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for the Totally, Incredibly, Talented One.
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(audience claps and cheers)
(guitar thrumming)
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- Come on, man!
- Come on!
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- One day he broke a
string, popped a string.
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When your father came home,
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he asked Ma, he says,
"Who broke my string?"
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And she says, "Well before
you get upset at Tito,
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you should hear him play."
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She said, "He's better than you."
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- That's what she told him?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- So, I'm playing and crying,
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and then that's when he looked at my mom
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and says, "He's really
trying to play this thing."
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- She says, "And the other
ones have been singing
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and making harmonies."
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She goes, "There is
something going on here."
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(gentle wistful music)
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- [Janet] My mother saw the talent,
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but it was my father that
was smart enough to say,
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they've got to show this to the world.
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He saw that as our way out.
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- I was always upset
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because Joe didn't want
to add onto the house
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because he'd spent all the money
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on instruments for the boys. (laughs)
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- We would be rehearsing,
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and the neighbours would
be telling us to be quiet.
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"Making all that noise over there,
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you ain't going nowhere."
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We'd say, "Just wait and see.
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You'll see."
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(sirens wailing)
(crowd chanting)
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- [Crowd] We are the people!
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We are united!
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We are a nation, that's how we win!
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We want freedom!
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- [Reverend Al Sharpton] In the late '60s,
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America was dealing with racial strife.
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(sirens wailing)
(fighters grunting)
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There was a lot of social confrontation
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and blacks and whites
lived different lives.
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- But I want you to know tonight,
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that we, as a people,
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will get to the promised land.
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♪ Oh dear lord, I heard it through the grapevine ♪
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- And the whole world was changing.
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The culture and the
politics became intertwined.
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♪ Heard through the grapevine ♪
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♪ Honey, honey, yeah ♪
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- We were dancing and listening
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to the same music for the first time.
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♪ My baby, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
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And in that setting of blacks
beginning to get control,
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Joe Jackson, who was this
hard-nosed, stern guy,
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he was pushing his boys.
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- He saw the light.
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One thing led to another.
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- And we wound up in Motown.
- ♪ You could have told ♪
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♪ Me yourself ♪
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- [Michael] Motown was interested
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in seeing us audition for them
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so we went to Berry Gordy's in Detroit.
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(dramatic thundering)
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- [Producer] All right, here we go.
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(indistinct singing)
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♪ I know ♪
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♪ And bring it back you (indistinct) ♪
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- We auditioned and they loved it.
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- The first thing Berry said to us was,
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"I'm gonna take your first
three songs", he said,
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"and I'll make them number one."
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(crowd cheering)
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- [Announcer] This is
the hurricane season,
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we have one moving in now.
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- [Presenter 6] Five of the nine children
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of a former plane
operator in Gary, Indiana.
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- [Presenter 7] It's the same
nerve The Beatles touched,
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only this time it's a
group of black teenagers.
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- [Presenter 8] The mighty, mighty.
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- The Jackson 5.
- The Jackson 5.
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- [Presenter 9] The Jackson 5.
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- [Presenter 10] The Jackson 5.
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(applause thundering)
(crowd cheers)
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♪ Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba ♪
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♪ Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba ♪
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♪ You went to school to learn girl ♪
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♪ Things you never, never knew before ♪
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♪ Like "I" before "E" except after "C" ♪
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♪ And why 2 plus 2 makes 4 ♪
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♪ Now, now, now ♪
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♪ I'm gonna teach you ♪
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- [Janet] Mother, where did
those costumes come from?
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- Oh, I made those uniforms for them.
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- [Janet] You stitched each and every one?
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- Yes. (laughs)
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It wasn't hard for me because the boys
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was doing something with
them that they enjoyed.
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♪ A,B,C ♪
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♪ It's easy as ♪
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♪ 1,2,3 ♪
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♪ As simple as ♪
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♪ Do re mi ♪
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♪ A,B,C ♪
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♪ That's how easy love can be ♪
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(audience clapping)
(audience cheering)
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(plane whooshing)
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(crowd screaming)
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- They literally had captured
the heart of young America.
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Black and white, and all
the stops in between.
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- [Anchor] Every single and every album
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the Jackson 5 has put out
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has sold more than a million copies,
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and they're the only American group
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to have four consecutive
number one records.
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- When they popped, it
resonated with everybody
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that I was growing up with in the hood.
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We saw ourselves in them.
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They were the American dream.
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- There was no one like
them, they were unicorns.
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- My dad knew his boys were
gonna do something great.
335
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He took that chance, and he went for it.
336
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- Do you mind if I ask you
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how much money you've made?
338
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- No, I don't wanna say right now.
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- But you've sold a lot of records?
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- A lot of records.
- Yeah.
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- It would never have happened
if it wasn't for my father.
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It would have never happened.
343
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There's no way it would have happened.
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(gentle music)
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- My father was a good-hearted
guy, he really protected us.
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He went through a lot.
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And especially back then,
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the racism, the fighting,
349
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people seeing your children
as money making machines.
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That's me.
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Oh, I was young.
352
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- You don't look like
that anymore. (laughs)
353
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I'm just joking.
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- Brothers.
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If that didn't happen,
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we wouldn't have had the success
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as a family that we've had.
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My brothers and sisters
would always tell me
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why my father was so strict.
360
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He was very tough.
361
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He told us what he wanted
us to do, and you did it.
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- I decided to deal with the
boys as much as I possibly can,
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as far as rehearsing them
and getting them prepared
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to be in show business.
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- Do they resent it?
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- Yes.
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- [Presenter 11] They do?
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- Yes.
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(dramatic bang)
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(dogs barking)
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- Your father was really, really tough.
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We couldn't understand why
somebody could be so mean
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and so strict, it was crazy.
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We didn't understand his vision,
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to keep us out of the gangs,
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out of trouble and to get us out of here.
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(gentle music)
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All of my friends growing up,
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they're either dead or
in jail, a lot of them.
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And he didn't want that for us.
381
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'Cause it didn't have to be this way,
382
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it could've been different, you know.
383
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- Growing up, I feel like
I didn't really experience
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my father the way I wanted to.
385
00:16:15,161 --> 00:16:18,061
The way I saw other kids
experiencing their father.
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(crowd cheers)
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- [Crowd] We love you.
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Love you.
389
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- Hi sweetheart.
390
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- She's loving you.
391
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- Here, hi five!
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- You're looking good girl, looking good.
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- [Woman] We all love you.
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- [Janet] Love you, too.
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(gentle music)
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I remember stories
about my mother allowing
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my brothers and sisters to play outside.
398
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And then they'd see my father's
car coming down the street
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and then run into the house
and pick up the instruments
400
00:16:55,567 --> 00:16:58,347
and start playing like they
were rehearsing all along.
401
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"Joseph's coming,
Joseph's coming!" (laughs)
402
00:17:03,609 --> 00:17:07,270
- [Interviewer] Mr. Jackson,
I understand you maintain
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a certain discipline
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within the group and all its activities.
405
00:17:11,410 --> 00:17:14,311
I wonder if you would describe for us
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what rules they are to follow?
407
00:17:16,331 --> 00:17:17,992
- We have a few.
408
00:17:18,092 --> 00:17:20,352
We have to have a few
because that's the only time
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you can hone a group together.
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00:17:23,132 --> 00:17:28,133
Via rules and they must be
followed to the fullest extent.
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Keep them under control,
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there's no way you can go wrong.
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(gentle music)
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00:17:37,615 --> 00:17:38,755
- It was because of my father
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that I've had the career that I've had.
416
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It was tough at times,
417
00:17:43,496 --> 00:17:46,396
there was nothing easy about it, period.
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But when you see where we came from
419
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and see where we are now,
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we owe so much to my father.
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- Mr. Joseph Jackson.
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(crowd cheering)
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00:18:00,019 --> 00:18:01,319
Did you ever have any visions
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00:18:01,419 --> 00:18:05,180
that your kids would be this successful?
425
00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:08,760
- I had a vision it would happen,
426
00:18:08,860 --> 00:18:12,401
but you know, it took a lot of rehearsals
427
00:18:12,501 --> 00:18:16,362
and a lot of pushing forward
for them to get this far.
428
00:18:16,462 --> 00:18:18,522
And it really was a big push,
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00:18:18,622 --> 00:18:21,642
a hard struggle, but it paid off.
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00:18:21,742 --> 00:18:23,743
("ABC")
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00:18:25,783 --> 00:18:27,363
- I would like to find out the difference
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00:18:27,463 --> 00:18:30,524
between Gary, Indiana and
living in Los Angeles.
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00:18:30,624 --> 00:18:31,644
You've moved here now?
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00:18:31,744 --> 00:18:35,305
- Yes, well it's pretty sunny out here.
435
00:18:36,465 --> 00:18:40,486
- First time seeing palm trees,
summer in the wintertime.
436
00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:43,206
I couldn't believe Christmas had no snow.
437
00:18:43,306 --> 00:18:45,406
- They left the two-bedroom
house we lived in
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00:18:45,506 --> 00:18:48,047
and they moved to a
whole different lifestyle
439
00:18:48,147 --> 00:18:49,767
and they could afford and do things
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00:18:49,867 --> 00:18:51,888
that they weren't doing before.
441
00:18:51,988 --> 00:18:53,608
- [Janet] We lived in Encino.
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We had about three acres,
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00:18:55,788 --> 00:18:59,609
an Olympic-sized swimming
pool, a badminton court.
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00:18:59,709 --> 00:19:01,369
♪ I want you back ♪
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00:19:01,469 --> 00:19:04,050
(upbeat music)
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00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:05,770
- 4, 3, 2, 1.
447
00:19:05,870 --> 00:19:08,250
- We used to have parties all the time.
448
00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:10,411
All the entertainers would be there,
449
00:19:10,511 --> 00:19:13,171
Bing Crosby, Sammy Davis Jr.
450
00:19:13,271 --> 00:19:15,252
You would see Marvin Gaye and Diana Ross,
451
00:19:15,352 --> 00:19:17,252
you know, a lot of the Motown people.
452
00:19:17,352 --> 00:19:21,093
Then you'd see other
entertainers and film stars.
453
00:19:21,193 --> 00:19:24,013
And I remember one of
the parties that we had,
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Bowie came, and I guess
to get away from everyone,
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he was looking for a little room.
456
00:19:31,194 --> 00:19:33,575
- Michael and I are sitting
in one of the other rooms,
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00:19:33,675 --> 00:19:35,695
away from the party, so Bowie walks in
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and he offered us some of
what he was doing to get high.
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00:19:43,676 --> 00:19:46,137
We just looked at each other,
we're like, "No."
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We didn't know what it was,
461
00:19:47,197 --> 00:19:48,217
we were just like, "No, no thank you."
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00:19:48,317 --> 00:19:50,578
(laughs)
463
00:19:50,678 --> 00:19:51,698
- [Crew] A speeding.
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Interview take one.
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- I'm Wende Watt and I grew up in Encino,
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next door to the Jackson family.
467
00:19:57,719 --> 00:19:59,139
Encino is a suburb of L.A.,
468
00:19:59,239 --> 00:20:01,459
a lot of people moved out
there to not be in the city.
469
00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:05,180
It was kind of an affluent,
definitely white neighbourhood.
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I remember the day they moved in,
471
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,020
they popped over the fence
472
00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:10,241
and we just remember the big Afros.
473
00:20:12,761 --> 00:20:15,942
I think the Jacksons were the
first black family to move in,
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00:20:16,042 --> 00:20:19,502
so it was a little
controversial at that time.
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00:20:19,602 --> 00:20:22,203
(gentle music)
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00:20:23,483 --> 00:20:24,203
- A lot of the people didn't want us,
477
00:20:24,283 --> 00:20:26,424
so they had this petition going around,
478
00:20:26,524 --> 00:20:29,664
so that we wouldn't be
in the neighbourhood.
479
00:20:29,764 --> 00:20:31,664
I remember walking down the street
480
00:20:31,764 --> 00:20:33,585
and being called the N word,
481
00:20:33,685 --> 00:20:36,165
someone driving by, yelling it out.
482
00:20:37,045 --> 00:20:39,786
Being told to go back
home to your country,
483
00:20:39,886 --> 00:20:42,746
and feeling it at school,
with some of the teachers
484
00:20:42,846 --> 00:20:44,307
and some of the kids.
485
00:20:44,407 --> 00:20:45,587
Touching your hair,
486
00:20:45,687 --> 00:20:48,347
'cause your hair was
different from theirs.
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00:20:48,447 --> 00:20:51,548
Or your skin, rubbing it.
488
00:20:51,648 --> 00:20:51,888
(swishing)
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00:20:52,848 --> 00:20:53,908
It's like, "Does that come off?"
490
00:20:54,008 --> 00:20:55,949
"No, does yours?"
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00:20:56,049 --> 00:20:58,389
(laughs)
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00:20:58,489 --> 00:20:59,589
I didn't have a lot of friends.
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00:20:59,689 --> 00:21:01,270
I had a couple,
494
00:21:01,370 --> 00:21:03,730
but my closest were my
brothers and sisters.
495
00:21:05,570 --> 00:21:09,271
- We'll do "Stand", "My Cherie Amour",
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"I Want You Back" then "Yesterday".
497
00:21:12,851 --> 00:21:14,512
Okay, let's go, from the top.
498
00:21:14,612 --> 00:21:15,832
(upbeat music)
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00:21:15,932 --> 00:21:19,353
♪ La, la, la, la, na, na, na, na, na ♪
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- [Janet] We had a studio at home,
501
00:21:21,133 --> 00:21:21,913
and I would go in there
502
00:21:22,013 --> 00:21:24,774
and just watch my brothers
rehearse all the time.
503
00:21:27,694 --> 00:21:30,154
♪ Sing, sing, sing it again ♪
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- [Janet] Everything I could,
505
00:21:31,255 --> 00:21:33,115
I tried to be in the middle
of it with my brothers and,
506
00:21:33,215 --> 00:21:36,716
they always had fun and I
loved being around them.
507
00:21:36,816 --> 00:21:38,676
♪ Just, just one more time ♪
508
00:21:38,776 --> 00:21:41,196
- [Janet] So, when they
had to work and travel,
509
00:21:41,296 --> 00:21:43,397
I missed them.
510
00:21:45,417 --> 00:21:50,278
- I just felt...yeah.
511
00:21:50,378 --> 00:21:52,958
Where do, where do I fit in?
512
00:21:53,058 --> 00:21:54,439
(gentle music)
513
00:21:54,539 --> 00:21:57,379
(plane whooshing)
514
00:21:58,819 --> 00:22:01,580
- Hey, how are you doing, Marlon?
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00:22:03,340 --> 00:22:04,440
- [Tito] There was always something to do
516
00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:06,161
once we had made it.
517
00:22:06,261 --> 00:22:07,721
Whether there was a recording session,
518
00:22:07,821 --> 00:22:11,401
or picture sessions or
rehearsals, or on tour.
519
00:22:11,501 --> 00:22:13,002
- [Boy] Okay.
520
00:22:13,102 --> 00:22:15,102
- [Tito] My father kept us busy.
521
00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:19,343
If we got a weekend to
play, that was a big thing.
522
00:22:27,024 --> 00:22:28,884
- You just do it.
523
00:22:28,984 --> 00:22:30,985
You know, you do what you're told.
524
00:22:32,225 --> 00:22:34,225
You know, you do it.
525
00:22:35,025 --> 00:22:36,166
(audience clapping)
526
00:22:36,266 --> 00:22:37,446
- [Presenter 12] I wanted to ask you,
527
00:22:37,546 --> 00:22:40,806
do you have to ever take
any of them over your knee?
528
00:22:40,906 --> 00:22:42,967
Or use any other methods of disciplining
529
00:22:43,067 --> 00:22:45,487
this lively group you've got here?
530
00:22:45,587 --> 00:22:48,488
- I have a way you know like
when Randy don't do right,
531
00:22:48,588 --> 00:22:50,568
we make him take out all
the garbage or something.
532
00:22:50,668 --> 00:22:51,768
(laughing)
533
00:22:51,868 --> 00:22:53,689
- No that's fair.
534
00:22:53,789 --> 00:22:55,009
Yeah, but what about Michael, if...
535
00:22:55,109 --> 00:22:57,249
Michael always does right?
536
00:22:57,349 --> 00:22:58,089
Is he always...
537
00:22:58,189 --> 00:22:58,930
- No, not all the time.
538
00:22:59,030 --> 00:22:59,770
You know Michael,
539
00:22:59,870 --> 00:23:02,690
he likes sleep and you
know he's the lead singer.
540
00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:05,931
The way we discipline
Michael is sort of like,
541
00:23:06,031 --> 00:23:10,051
we cut down on his allowance a little bit.
- Yeah.
542
00:23:10,151 --> 00:23:12,132
- Yeah, we don't give him as much money to spend.
543
00:23:12,232 --> 00:23:13,812
(laughing)
544
00:23:13,912 --> 00:23:15,344
(dramatic gonging)
545
00:23:15,354 --> 00:23:20,355
("When I Think Of You")
(upbeat music)
546
00:23:25,956 --> 00:23:26,696
- Wow!
547
00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:28,396
So different.
548
00:23:28,995 --> 00:23:30,696
It brings back memories.
549
00:23:30,797 --> 00:23:35,557
Mike, Randy and myself,
we'd go to Circus Circus.
550
00:23:36,798 --> 00:23:38,098
That was it.
551
00:23:38,197 --> 00:23:41,157
They'd have a trapeze artist
in the middle of the floor
552
00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:45,438
or we'd walk in there and
go to our favourite games.
553
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,300
But I loved it.
554
00:23:48,399 --> 00:23:50,940
This is where I started when I was seven.
555
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,040
My first time on any stage was here.
556
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,701
We would perform two,
three weeks at a time
557
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,981
doing double shows, two shows a night,
558
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,432
one at eight and one at, I think, 10:30.
559
00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:07,342
And there were nights
where I had to take a nap,
560
00:24:07,443 --> 00:24:08,423
which I hated.
561
00:24:08,522 --> 00:24:10,522
That's a lot for a seven-year-old.
562
00:24:12,283 --> 00:24:14,904
- It's a long way from Gary,
Indiana to the big time.
563
00:24:15,003 --> 00:24:15,864
During those early days,
564
00:24:15,964 --> 00:24:19,065
they were earning maybe on
a good week $300 a week.
565
00:24:19,165 --> 00:24:20,544
Today, are you ready for this?
566
00:24:20,645 --> 00:24:23,224
They're earning as much
as $100,000 a week.
567
00:24:23,325 --> 00:24:25,546
- That's my father again.
568
00:24:25,646 --> 00:24:27,786
He saw an opportunity
to get his other kids
569
00:24:27,886 --> 00:24:30,666
through the door you know,
and he took advantage of it.
570
00:24:30,767 --> 00:24:33,226
If he hadn't done that, we
might not have Janet Jackson.
571
00:24:33,327 --> 00:24:34,627
(audience clapping)
572
00:24:34,726 --> 00:24:37,308
- Right now, I'd like to
introduce my youngest sister,
573
00:24:37,407 --> 00:24:38,788
she's been in the act ever since
574
00:24:38,887 --> 00:24:41,348
we started our Las Vegas performance.
575
00:24:41,448 --> 00:24:44,229
Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like
to introduce Janet Jackson.
576
00:24:44,329 --> 00:24:46,628
- Yeah!
- Come on out, Janet.
577
00:24:46,729 --> 00:24:49,790
- I don't ever remember being asked.
578
00:24:49,889 --> 00:24:54,031
I just remember being put into it.
579
00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:55,151
(audience clapping)
580
00:24:55,251 --> 00:24:57,931
- Did you know you were
gonna be in the act?
581
00:24:59,051 --> 00:25:04,232
- They said that they were
doing a show, a nightclub act.
582
00:25:04,331 --> 00:25:06,153
- And they picked you because
you were around the house?
583
00:25:06,252 --> 00:25:06,993
- Yeah.
584
00:25:07,092 --> 00:25:08,633
- Maybe you're gonna get
your own group someday huh?
585
00:25:08,733 --> 00:25:10,433
Cut these guys out?
586
00:25:10,532 --> 00:25:11,233
- Yeah.
587
00:25:11,334 --> 00:25:12,394
(audience laughs)
588
00:25:12,493 --> 00:25:14,873
- Are you ready to sing
your big number with Randy?
589
00:25:14,973 --> 00:25:15,674
- Yes.
590
00:25:15,773 --> 00:25:16,675
- Oh, I can't wait.
591
00:25:16,774 --> 00:25:18,474
Here's Janet and Randy.
592
00:25:18,575 --> 00:25:21,754
Or Randy and Janet!
(audience clapping)
593
00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:22,596
(upbeat music)
594
00:25:22,695 --> 00:25:25,116
- [Janet] Thank you.
595
00:25:25,215 --> 00:25:26,636
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
596
00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:27,715
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
597
00:25:27,816 --> 00:25:29,637
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
598
00:25:29,736 --> 00:25:32,357
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
599
00:25:32,456 --> 00:25:36,038
♪ Just keep finding the
rhythm through the rain ♪
600
00:25:36,137 --> 00:25:40,438
- I remember my first night,
oh my God, I was nervous.
601
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:41,299
I remember Randy telling me,
602
00:25:41,378 --> 00:25:43,118
"After the first show you'll be fine."
603
00:25:43,219 --> 00:25:44,839
- Take it away, Janet!
604
00:25:44,938 --> 00:25:49,940
♪ Charleston was once the rage, da, da, da ♪
605
00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:55,941
♪ History has turned the page, da, da, aah ♪
606
00:25:57,661 --> 00:25:59,882
- [Janet] I grew up on musicals.
607
00:25:59,982 --> 00:26:01,882
That was it for me.
608
00:26:01,982 --> 00:26:05,683
Watching musicals where literally dance
609
00:26:05,782 --> 00:26:08,022
and music came together on the screen.
610
00:26:09,062 --> 00:26:10,404
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
611
00:26:10,503 --> 00:26:11,763
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
612
00:26:11,864 --> 00:26:13,483
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
613
00:26:13,584 --> 00:26:14,924
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
614
00:26:15,023 --> 00:26:16,805
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
615
00:26:16,905 --> 00:26:18,244
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
616
00:26:18,345 --> 00:26:21,646
♪ And the beat goes on ♪
617
00:26:21,745 --> 00:26:22,846
Hey!
618
00:26:22,945 --> 00:26:24,406
(audience claps)
619
00:26:24,505 --> 00:26:27,767
(upbeat music)
620
00:26:27,867 --> 00:26:30,087
(singers vocalising)
621
00:26:30,186 --> 00:26:31,767
- I've been thinking.
622
00:26:31,867 --> 00:26:33,288
- Wow, a TV first!
623
00:26:33,387 --> 00:26:34,608
(audience laughs)
624
00:26:34,707 --> 00:26:36,288
After the first show I was fine,
625
00:26:36,387 --> 00:26:38,387
I was never nervous again.
626
00:26:39,348 --> 00:26:41,329
Hey Tito, there's two girls backstage
627
00:26:41,428 --> 00:26:42,529
who wanna talk to you.
628
00:26:42,628 --> 00:26:43,368
- [Tito] Hey!
629
00:26:43,469 --> 00:26:44,248
What did I tell ya'll?
630
00:26:44,348 --> 00:26:45,050
- Yeah, they want you
631
00:26:45,149 --> 00:26:47,530
to introduce them to, Michael.
632
00:26:47,629 --> 00:26:49,970
(audience laughs)
633
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:52,691
None of us had a normal childhood.
634
00:26:52,791 --> 00:26:55,411
My friends, they went to gymnastics class
635
00:26:55,511 --> 00:26:57,851
or were part of the
Girl Scouts or Brownies
636
00:26:57,952 --> 00:26:59,091
and I wanted to do those things.
637
00:26:59,192 --> 00:27:01,452
- Hi there, big fella.
638
00:27:01,551 --> 00:27:03,812
My name is Mae West.
639
00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:05,332
But, yet, we had to go to work.
640
00:27:05,433 --> 00:27:07,453
(dramatic music)
641
00:27:07,552 --> 00:27:08,493
♪ Hey ♪
642
00:27:08,594 --> 00:27:11,374
(audience claps)
643
00:27:11,473 --> 00:27:13,934
- We always got a standing ovation.
644
00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:15,815
At one point I thought
oh, we must be good!
645
00:27:15,915 --> 00:27:19,534
It never went to my head I
thought oh we must be good.
646
00:27:19,635 --> 00:27:23,056
Then I started thinking, it
dawned upon me oh we're babies.
647
00:27:23,156 --> 00:27:24,975
That's why they're doing this for us,
648
00:27:25,076 --> 00:27:28,057
they're really being
supportive, because remember,
649
00:27:28,156 --> 00:27:31,416
we were the only kids
performing here, in Vegas.
650
00:27:31,517 --> 00:27:34,018
There weren't other kids performing here,
651
00:27:34,118 --> 00:27:36,278
and it wasn't really family-oriented.
652
00:27:39,239 --> 00:27:42,138
In between our show
Mike, Randy and myself,
653
00:27:42,239 --> 00:27:44,240
we'd be looking for trouble.
654
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,940
(gentle music)
655
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,901
We'd go where the lighting
guys and the lighting rig was.
656
00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:52,781
And we'd watch the women
in the huge feathers
657
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,341
and all the rhinestone glittery outfits,
658
00:27:55,442 --> 00:27:57,442
and they were completely topless.
659
00:27:59,601 --> 00:28:01,603
But that was my life.
660
00:28:02,562 --> 00:28:03,983
Not long after that,
661
00:28:04,082 --> 00:28:07,864
I remember being told that
there was a television show,
662
00:28:07,964 --> 00:28:10,904
which I was familiar with, "Good Times",
663
00:28:11,003 --> 00:28:14,024
and there was a role for a little girl.
664
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:16,125
My father wanted me to audition.
665
00:28:17,484 --> 00:28:21,106
- Tell me about Janet
Jackson and "Good Times".
666
00:28:21,205 --> 00:28:23,106
- Oh, my character's Penny.
667
00:28:23,205 --> 00:28:24,666
I'm gonna be on "Good Times" soon.
668
00:28:24,765 --> 00:28:25,507
- [Host] I know.
669
00:28:25,607 --> 00:28:26,347
Are you excited about it?
670
00:28:26,446 --> 00:28:27,827
- Yes, it's a lot of fun.
671
00:28:27,926 --> 00:28:28,946
♪ Good times ♪
672
00:28:29,047 --> 00:28:30,627
♪ Any time you need a payment ♪
673
00:28:30,728 --> 00:28:31,788
♪ Good time ♪
674
00:28:31,887 --> 00:28:32,988
- Hi.
675
00:28:33,088 --> 00:28:34,108
- Is he here?
(audience applauds)
676
00:28:34,207 --> 00:28:35,187
- Is who here?
677
00:28:35,288 --> 00:28:39,829
- I don't know his name but
he's tall, skinny and beautiful.
678
00:28:39,928 --> 00:28:42,990
- Hold on now, tall and skinny
we got, but beautiful...
679
00:28:43,089 --> 00:28:44,310
(audience laughs)
680
00:28:44,409 --> 00:28:48,550
- I auditioned Janet for
a role in "Good Times".
681
00:28:48,651 --> 00:28:51,431
To meet her is to know instantly,
682
00:28:51,531 --> 00:28:54,070
that there's a presence in the room.
683
00:28:54,171 --> 00:28:56,972
The talent was abundant and clear.
684
00:28:57,972 --> 00:29:00,031
- You disobeyed me, didn't you?
685
00:29:00,132 --> 00:29:01,233
- Yes, mama.
686
00:29:01,332 --> 00:29:02,713
(somber music)
687
00:29:02,812 --> 00:29:06,634
- Janet played Penny,
who was an abused kid.
688
00:29:06,733 --> 00:29:07,834
- Please mama, I promise,
689
00:29:07,934 --> 00:29:11,313
I won't be a bad girl anymore, please.
690
00:29:11,414 --> 00:29:12,355
I won't be a bad girl anymore.
691
00:29:12,454 --> 00:29:16,195
- That required a serious performer.
692
00:29:16,294 --> 00:29:17,034
- Oh no!
693
00:29:17,135 --> 00:29:17,876
My God Penny what...
694
00:29:17,975 --> 00:29:19,276
- [Audience] Aw!
695
00:29:19,376 --> 00:29:22,195
- Penny I know
that you like to pretend,
696
00:29:22,296 --> 00:29:25,377
but I want you to tell me the
truth, okay? Who burned you?
697
00:29:26,696 --> 00:29:27,436
Honey, who beat you up?
698
00:29:27,537 --> 00:29:29,518
Who did those terrible things to you?
699
00:29:29,618 --> 00:29:34,618
- She could play that
troubled young woman.
700
00:29:34,937 --> 00:29:36,358
(somber music)
701
00:29:36,459 --> 00:29:38,459
Who did this?
702
00:29:40,259 --> 00:29:42,500
- My parents disciplined all of us.
703
00:29:43,419 --> 00:29:47,000
And that's how we as a
people we raised our kids,
704
00:29:47,099 --> 00:29:50,201
but you turn around and you
give them love to show this is,
705
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,300
I love you I'm here for you.
706
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:55,462
Discipline without love is tyranny
707
00:29:56,622 --> 00:29:58,622
and tyrants they were not.
708
00:29:59,223 --> 00:30:01,842
They just loved us and
wanted us to be the best
709
00:30:01,943 --> 00:30:03,943
that we could possibly be.
710
00:30:04,423 --> 00:30:06,424
Obviously, it worked.
711
00:30:08,664 --> 00:30:10,604
We had a studio at home.
712
00:30:10,704 --> 00:30:12,645
Any time of day or night,
you'd run in the studio
713
00:30:12,744 --> 00:30:14,744
and you'd lay an idea down.
714
00:30:15,625 --> 00:30:17,526
And that's what I did
one day for this song
715
00:30:17,626 --> 00:30:20,526
that I had in my head.
716
00:30:20,626 --> 00:30:22,827
(humming)
717
00:30:25,706 --> 00:30:28,407
It went like that, something like that.
718
00:30:28,508 --> 00:30:32,687
Like an idiot, I left
the reel on the machine.
719
00:30:32,788 --> 00:30:35,408
And I came home from
school, and sure enough,
720
00:30:35,509 --> 00:30:37,688
my father, Randy and Mike were there.
721
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:38,928
And they were listening to it
722
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:42,829
and that's when my father said
to me, "I want you to sing."
723
00:30:47,390 --> 00:30:49,570
And I said, "No, no, no, no."
724
00:30:49,671 --> 00:30:52,311
I wanted to go to college
and study business law.
725
00:30:53,192 --> 00:30:56,311
He said that's not gonna happen,
basically, in a nutshell.
726
00:30:57,432 --> 00:31:01,572
What parent doesn't want you
to go to college? (laughs)
727
00:31:01,673 --> 00:31:04,134
But he said, "No, you're gonna sing."
728
00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:07,233
(suspenseful music)
729
00:31:08,194 --> 00:31:08,934
Not long after that,
730
00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,855
I had a meeting at A&M and
signed my recording contract.
731
00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:15,556
(somber music)
732
00:31:19,156 --> 00:31:23,736
I would have liked to have
experienced staying at a dorm,
733
00:31:23,837 --> 00:31:25,537
being around other kids.
734
00:31:25,637 --> 00:31:27,978
But I was very, very naive.
735
00:31:28,078 --> 00:31:30,078
Very, very shy.
736
00:31:30,397 --> 00:31:32,397
Not worldly at all.
737
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,698
- I used to work for Mr. Jackson,
at his production office,
738
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,879
when he managed the
brothers, as well as Janet.
739
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,380
The brothers had fired Mr. Jackson,
740
00:31:47,481 --> 00:31:49,820
so I think he figured, okay,
741
00:31:49,921 --> 00:31:52,662
I can make Janet the bigger star.
742
00:31:52,762 --> 00:31:56,782
Mr. Jackson was able to then
turn all his energy into Janet.
743
00:31:56,883 --> 00:31:58,782
He would always say,
744
00:31:58,883 --> 00:32:00,863
"Janet's gonna be the biggest superstar.
745
00:32:00,963 --> 00:32:02,704
You only have to show Janet once,
746
00:32:02,803 --> 00:32:04,063
she's gonna be big as Michael
747
00:32:04,164 --> 00:32:06,164
or even bigger than Michael."
748
00:32:07,563 --> 00:32:09,185
- My father was in charge of my life,
749
00:32:09,284 --> 00:32:11,305
my career and he was my manager.
750
00:32:11,405 --> 00:32:12,865
(upbeat music)
751
00:32:16,326 --> 00:32:17,286
- [Janet] It was really
about their albums,
752
00:32:17,366 --> 00:32:19,666
the kind of music that they wanted me to make.
753
00:32:19,765 --> 00:32:23,067
♪ You don't stand another chance ♪
754
00:32:23,166 --> 00:32:25,747
- I didn't write any of the material,
755
00:32:25,847 --> 00:32:27,707
it was just a matter
of going to the studio,
756
00:32:27,808 --> 00:32:30,647
doing what they wanted you
to do and then you leave.
757
00:32:34,089 --> 00:32:36,469
I didn't want my last
name to be on the album.
758
00:32:36,569 --> 00:32:38,990
I just wanted to go by my first name.
759
00:32:39,089 --> 00:32:40,669
I wanted them to accept me for me,
760
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:42,909
to be interested in this for me,
761
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:44,630
not because I was the
brother or sister of...
762
00:32:44,731 --> 00:32:49,191
But that's everything that this
industry takes advantage of,
763
00:32:49,291 --> 00:32:52,331
and they wanna play on that,
and I didn't want that.
764
00:32:53,172 --> 00:32:55,232
♪ Dream Street ♪
765
00:32:55,331 --> 00:32:57,433
♪ Dream street ♪
766
00:32:57,532 --> 00:32:58,512
♪ Will it all come true ♪
767
00:32:58,613 --> 00:33:01,874
♪ Will it all just fade away ♪
768
00:33:01,973 --> 00:33:03,434
♪ Dream street ♪
769
00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:05,553
♪ Dream street ♪
770
00:33:05,654 --> 00:33:07,635
♪ Well, it's hard to find ♪
(audience claps and cheers)
771
00:33:07,734 --> 00:33:11,675
- Did you have any idea,
when you were a little girl
772
00:33:11,774 --> 00:33:14,235
that you would turn out to
be as pretty as you are?
773
00:33:14,336 --> 00:33:17,475
(audience claps)
(cheering)
774
00:33:17,576 --> 00:33:18,356
How old are you?
775
00:33:18,455 --> 00:33:19,317
- 18.
776
00:33:19,416 --> 00:33:20,956
- Now that you're getting on in years,
777
00:33:21,057 --> 00:33:22,137
are you going to continue your education?
778
00:33:22,216 --> 00:33:25,278
- Yes, I wanna go to college,
I wanna go to Pepperdine.
779
00:33:25,377 --> 00:33:26,118
- [Presenter 13] Really?
780
00:33:26,217 --> 00:33:26,917
- Yeah.
781
00:33:27,018 --> 00:33:28,758
- This mind boggles me,
you're not gonna do this
782
00:33:28,858 --> 00:33:29,598
the rest of your life?
783
00:33:29,697 --> 00:33:33,118
- I'd have to try to do
both at the same time.
784
00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:33,959
- Really?
785
00:33:34,059 --> 00:33:35,319
- Mm-hmm.
786
00:33:35,418 --> 00:33:37,280
At the time, I didn't understand
787
00:33:37,379 --> 00:33:40,079
the vision my father had for me.
788
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:42,180
To be a musician.
789
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,320
- I think we still have a
little bit of work to do,
790
00:33:44,421 --> 00:33:46,041
it's a little bit too orange in here.
791
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:46,880
- Yeah.
792
00:33:46,981 --> 00:33:49,601
Even the cover of the album, he chose,
793
00:33:49,701 --> 00:33:52,142
and I didn't want that as
the cover of the album.
794
00:33:54,221 --> 00:33:55,922
So, it was a lot of that.
795
00:33:56,022 --> 00:33:58,343
(somber music)
796
00:33:59,542 --> 00:34:00,643
They weren't the success
797
00:34:00,743 --> 00:34:02,444
that I think everyone wanted them to be,
798
00:34:02,543 --> 00:34:04,723
this massive success.
799
00:34:04,824 --> 00:34:06,944
They didn't sell millions of copies.
800
00:34:08,024 --> 00:34:10,025
- Are you disappointed?
801
00:34:10,505 --> 00:34:12,506
- Am I disappointed?
802
00:34:13,466 --> 00:34:14,726
I guess you could say in a way,
803
00:34:14,825 --> 00:34:18,807
but I'm very pleased with
what it has been done.
804
00:34:18,907 --> 00:34:20,287
I think I have to start doing things
805
00:34:20,387 --> 00:34:25,307
on my own moving up,
and being independent.
806
00:34:27,468 --> 00:34:28,188
- [Interviewer] It seems like
807
00:34:28,267 --> 00:34:30,089
you're on the verge of
considering a lot of new things.
808
00:34:30,189 --> 00:34:32,849
- Yeah, I am on the verge of considering
809
00:34:32,949 --> 00:34:35,769
a lot of new things.
810
00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:38,070
I wanted to be able to
stand on my own feet.
811
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:42,450
And at that time, I felt
that there was no other way
812
00:34:42,551 --> 00:34:44,671
I would be able to kind
of get my own life,
813
00:34:47,031 --> 00:34:48,171
unless I got married.
814
00:34:48,272 --> 00:34:51,272
(suspenseful music)
815
00:34:55,574 --> 00:34:58,554
- Okay now, let's talk about
the type of lady that you like.
816
00:34:58,653 --> 00:35:02,153
- I like a lady that
has a soft heart
817
00:35:02,255 --> 00:35:05,635
and is willing to understand
anything no matter what
818
00:35:05,735 --> 00:35:06,715
and stay with me always.
819
00:35:06,815 --> 00:35:08,075
- Are you gonna put a
lot of pressure on her
820
00:35:08,175 --> 00:35:09,155
to be understanding?
821
00:35:09,257 --> 00:35:12,916
- No, it has to be inside of
her or else she has to go,
822
00:35:13,016 --> 00:35:14,276
because that's the way I am.
823
00:35:14,376 --> 00:35:16,478
(upbeat disco music)
824
00:35:16,577 --> 00:35:18,077
♪ When it feels like ♪
825
00:35:18,177 --> 00:35:20,316
♪ The world is on your shoulders ♪
826
00:35:20,418 --> 00:35:24,117
- James DeBarge and I, we were
friends at a very young age.
827
00:35:24,219 --> 00:35:26,959
He was from a musical family like mine.
828
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:28,479
♪ Step out into the street ♪
829
00:35:28,579 --> 00:35:29,758
♪ Where all of the action ♪
830
00:35:29,860 --> 00:35:32,680
- When I first met Janet,
it was at Soul Train.
831
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,081
♪ To the beat of the rhythm of the night ♪
832
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:36,880
♪ Dance until the morning light ♪
833
00:35:36,979 --> 00:35:37,999
- It was our debut,
834
00:35:38,101 --> 00:35:39,760
and she was there with
her brother, Jermaine
835
00:35:39,862 --> 00:35:41,441
and her sister, LaToya.
836
00:35:41,541 --> 00:35:43,541
Of course, I thought she was cute.
837
00:35:44,421 --> 00:35:49,421
She gave me a look that
was a shy, innocent look
838
00:35:49,782 --> 00:35:52,643
and even I was just as shy as she was.
839
00:35:52,742 --> 00:35:55,844
It probably didn't help the
relationship move any faster.
840
00:35:55,943 --> 00:35:57,364
(laughing)
841
00:35:57,463 --> 00:35:59,463
- We used to talk on the phone as kids.
842
00:36:00,584 --> 00:36:02,124
Way before.
843
00:36:02,226 --> 00:36:06,124
Because his brother was
very much so attracted
844
00:36:06,226 --> 00:36:08,206
to my sister Toya,
845
00:36:08,306 --> 00:36:13,306
so that's how I wound up
getting to know James.
846
00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:17,708
- With her, I think once
she feels safe with someone,
847
00:36:19,387 --> 00:36:22,409
which was me at the time,
she would share some things.
848
00:36:22,508 --> 00:36:24,787
But that took us getting
to know each other
849
00:36:26,028 --> 00:36:30,528
and her being able to trust me. (laughs)
850
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:33,010
I don't know why anyone
would trust me. (laughs)
851
00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:34,729
No.
852
00:36:34,831 --> 00:36:38,331
♪ Without a song,
the day would never end ♪
853
00:36:38,431 --> 00:36:41,092
♪ Without a song,
a man ♪
854
00:36:41,191 --> 00:36:44,112
(crowd chattering)
855
00:36:47,231 --> 00:36:50,074
- [Janet] I'd started
dating him when I was 16.
856
00:36:51,034 --> 00:36:53,432
He was a sweet guy, he was a nice guy.
857
00:36:54,472 --> 00:36:56,735
- It wasn't easy for us
to see each other being
858
00:36:56,834 --> 00:37:00,454
that she was very well
protected, you know, by her mom and dad.
859
00:37:00,554 --> 00:37:03,335
You know, and who is this
guy? What is he into?
860
00:37:03,434 --> 00:37:04,695
You know, does he have good intentions?
861
00:37:04,795 --> 00:37:06,795
Does he really love you?
862
00:37:07,796 --> 00:37:09,536
We would sneak and see each other,
863
00:37:09,635 --> 00:37:12,376
I just had to be with her all the time.
864
00:37:12,476 --> 00:37:16,017
I think we were just so both
in love with each other,
865
00:37:16,117 --> 00:37:18,818
that we began to block everyone else out.
866
00:37:18,918 --> 00:37:21,858
(soft romantic music)
867
00:37:21,958 --> 00:37:24,117
- James and I decided to get married.
868
00:37:24,959 --> 00:37:27,258
My sister Toya said, "If
that's what you want to do,
869
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,338
then you should do it."
870
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,380
So, I did.
871
00:37:31,479 --> 00:37:33,479
In secret.
872
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,780
- When I met James,
873
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,621
I think Janet and James
were married, nobody knew.
874
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:39,901
Did Janet tell you about that part?
875
00:37:40,001 --> 00:37:41,700
- [Producer] What was the reaction like
876
00:37:41,802 --> 00:37:43,222
from your mum and dad?
877
00:37:43,322 --> 00:37:44,023
What was their reaction?
878
00:37:44,122 --> 00:37:46,063
- They was shocked.
879
00:37:46,162 --> 00:37:49,543
I vaguely remember, "What?! Did
you know Janet got married?!"
880
00:37:49,643 --> 00:37:51,643
Yes.
881
00:37:52,324 --> 00:37:54,584
- I know what young love
feels like, you know?
882
00:37:54,684 --> 00:37:55,624
And that whole thing,
883
00:37:55,724 --> 00:37:57,704
so it didn't bother me at all
884
00:37:57,804 --> 00:38:02,805
until you know, I started
learning things that wasn't cool.
885
00:38:04,445 --> 00:38:06,345
(gentle music)
886
00:38:06,447 --> 00:38:11,345
- I remember going to
Michigan, to Grand Rapids.
887
00:38:11,447 --> 00:38:16,447
And his uncle, he was a
pastor and he married us.
888
00:38:17,969 --> 00:38:21,068
I even remember putting
a ring on my finger
889
00:38:21,168 --> 00:38:23,168
and putting it on the wrong finger.
890
00:38:26,409 --> 00:38:29,309
When we got married and we came
back to the hotel, he said,
891
00:38:29,411 --> 00:38:31,411
"Okay, I'll be right back."
892
00:38:32,530 --> 00:38:34,510
And I'm sitting in the hotel room,
893
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:39,612
in Grand Rapids, Michigan
by myself, just 18.
894
00:38:40,092 --> 00:38:43,691
And for three hours, he never came back.
895
00:38:45,612 --> 00:38:47,514
I don't know, maybe it's this person in me
896
00:38:47,613 --> 00:38:49,313
that wants to help people?
897
00:38:49,412 --> 00:38:51,793
Subconsciously, when it
comes to relationships,
898
00:38:51,893 --> 00:38:55,213
somehow, I'm attracted
to people that use drugs.
899
00:38:57,693 --> 00:38:59,956
(upbeat music)
900
00:39:00,055 --> 00:39:01,115
♪ Fame ♪
901
00:39:01,215 --> 00:39:04,717
♪ I'm gonna live forever ♪
902
00:39:04,816 --> 00:39:07,237
♪ I'm gonna learn how to fly ♪
903
00:39:07,336 --> 00:39:08,036
♪ High ♪
904
00:39:08,135 --> 00:39:09,996
- My father wanted me to join "Fame".
905
00:39:10,095 --> 00:39:11,757
Why does everyone in this school treat me
906
00:39:11,856 --> 00:39:13,157
like I'm invisible?
907
00:39:13,257 --> 00:39:15,438
I mean what does it take
around here to get noticed?
908
00:39:15,537 --> 00:39:17,798
I didn't wanna be on "Fame", I
didn't want to do the show.
909
00:39:17,898 --> 00:39:20,077
The kids were great, but I just didn't,
910
00:39:20,179 --> 00:39:21,518
I didn't wanna do that.
911
00:39:21,617 --> 00:39:23,619
I did it for my father.
912
00:39:24,059 --> 00:39:25,159
- Okay people.
913
00:39:25,258 --> 00:39:28,039
- Janet was, when I first met her,
914
00:39:28,141 --> 00:39:31,760
she was very young, and she was so sassy.
915
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:33,601
- Did I get the part or anything?
916
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,121
- Ah sweetheart, that was lovely.
917
00:39:36,220 --> 00:39:37,401
- Yeah.
- Thank you very much.
918
00:39:37,501 --> 00:39:38,401
- Fine, thank you.
919
00:39:38,501 --> 00:39:39,561
- Would you like to hear something else?
920
00:39:39,661 --> 00:39:41,282
I've got a couple of other songs I could..
921
00:39:41,382 --> 00:39:44,282
- Miss Hewitt, do we have to get the hook?
922
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,242
- All you had to do was say so.
923
00:39:46,344 --> 00:39:48,483
- She came into "Fame" and it was evident
924
00:39:48,583 --> 00:39:51,523
that she had something
that was very special,
925
00:39:51,623 --> 00:39:53,565
but Janet was very quiet.
926
00:39:53,664 --> 00:39:57,965
She was not blossoming as she could.
927
00:39:58,065 --> 00:39:59,525
- Honey, you can't let
928
00:39:59,624 --> 00:40:02,405
what one person says
about you get you down.
929
00:40:02,505 --> 00:40:05,325
- Miss Grant, I don't know if I can.
930
00:40:05,427 --> 00:40:07,927
(bell rings)
931
00:40:08,026 --> 00:40:10,927
There were a lot of times
I was late for work.
932
00:40:11,027 --> 00:40:13,967
I didn't care, 'cause
what was more important
933
00:40:14,066 --> 00:40:16,068
than my work was James.
934
00:40:17,228 --> 00:40:19,228
- Are you okay, Cleo?
935
00:40:19,588 --> 00:40:21,489
- Yeah, I mean why shouldn't I be okay?
936
00:40:21,588 --> 00:40:24,349
School is out, summer's in,
everything is fine, right?
937
00:40:25,429 --> 00:40:28,090
I would wait for James
sometimes to pick me up,
938
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:30,190
and I mean wait.
939
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:32,710
Two and a half hours late.
940
00:40:33,552 --> 00:40:37,831
I eventually learned
that he was into drugs.
941
00:40:40,833 --> 00:40:43,132
- [Reporter] The story of the
DeBarge family has developed
942
00:40:43,231 --> 00:40:44,853
into an American tragedy.
943
00:40:44,952 --> 00:40:46,253
Three of the DeBarge brothers
944
00:40:46,353 --> 00:40:48,653
have been convicted on drug charges.
945
00:40:48,753 --> 00:40:52,735
But no one in the family
proved as tragic as James.
946
00:40:52,834 --> 00:40:54,255
(somber music)
947
00:40:54,354 --> 00:40:55,094
- There were a lot of nights
948
00:40:55,193 --> 00:40:58,854
that I would go searching
the streets, looking for him.
949
00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:02,275
Three o'clock in the morning,
four o'clock in the morning.
950
00:41:03,155 --> 00:41:05,796
I remember times when we would...
951
00:41:06,677 --> 00:41:09,978
I would find the pills
and I would take them
952
00:41:10,077 --> 00:41:11,537
and try to flush them down the toilet,
953
00:41:11,637 --> 00:41:13,376
and we would be rolling
around on the floor,
954
00:41:13,478 --> 00:41:15,378
fighting for them.
955
00:41:15,478 --> 00:41:17,639
I mean, it's not a life for anyone.
956
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,400
(dramatic music)
957
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,999
(somber music)
958
00:41:27,601 --> 00:41:29,900
You know I'd sit, and I'd
say, "Were you stupid?
959
00:41:29,999 --> 00:41:30,740
Were you dumb?"
960
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,661
But it wasn't that.
961
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,382
I cared so much for him.
962
00:41:35,481 --> 00:41:38,063
And I saw the good in him as well
963
00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:41,822
and I just wanted that to take precedence,
964
00:41:41,921 --> 00:41:43,943
as opposed to this ugliness
965
00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:46,043
'cause I knew that he needed help.
966
00:41:49,324 --> 00:41:51,565
But I wasn't the help that he needed.
967
00:41:56,124 --> 00:41:59,985
I remember eventually
deciding to get a divorce,
968
00:42:00,085 --> 00:42:04,226
or an annulment I should say,
because it only lasted a year.
969
00:42:04,325 --> 00:42:07,787
And one day, he wanted me to drive him
970
00:42:07,887 --> 00:42:12,847
to his brother's house,
and that's when I told him.
971
00:42:13,728 --> 00:42:16,588
And he was so mad and so frustrated,
972
00:42:16,688 --> 00:42:19,508
and when he got out of the
car, I locked the doors.
973
00:42:19,610 --> 00:42:22,588
And I remember
driving back home
974
00:42:22,690 --> 00:42:23,469
to my parents' house.
975
00:42:23,568 --> 00:42:24,831
I was just done.
976
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:27,371
I was... (exhales)
977
00:42:28,729 --> 00:42:31,291
(somber music)
978
00:42:32,931 --> 00:42:35,671
I was just incredibly innocent.
979
00:42:35,771 --> 00:42:39,892
That's the thing, it's that innocence.
980
00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:47,213
And it's just to me hurtful
for someone to see that
981
00:42:49,094 --> 00:42:51,094
and just try to take advantage of it
982
00:42:52,213 --> 00:42:55,536
and knowing that you don't
know any better and lie to you, and...
983
00:43:20,179 --> 00:43:20,920
(tense music)
984
00:43:21,019 --> 00:43:21,999
- The stunning report
985
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:24,601
about one of America's hottest pop stars.
986
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:28,320
Does Janet Jackson have a secret daughter?
987
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:30,240
- [Female Reporter] The
father, her first husband,
988
00:43:30,342 --> 00:43:31,882
singer James DeBarge.
989
00:43:31,981 --> 00:43:33,561
- [Male Reporter] Janet's alleged daughter
990
00:43:33,661 --> 00:43:36,202
was raised by her older
sister, Rebbie Jackson.
991
00:43:36,302 --> 00:43:38,762
She was supposedly placed in foster care.
992
00:43:38,862 --> 00:43:41,242
- Janet has never said
a word about whether
993
00:43:41,344 --> 00:43:43,583
or not she had a secret baby.
994
00:43:44,943 --> 00:43:47,704
[Producer] So, the rumours
about you having James' baby,
995
00:43:48,943 --> 00:43:50,204
are they true?
996
00:43:50,304 --> 00:43:53,286
(suspenseful music)
997
00:43:53,385 --> 00:43:54,206
(Janet scoffs)
998
00:43:54,305 --> 00:43:57,065
(dramatic music)
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