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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,098 --> 00:00:11,927 All right. Let's get started. 2 00:00:13,276 --> 00:00:14,538 Okay. Yeah, I think I need to 3 00:00:14,582 --> 00:00:17,062 fix my eyeliner a little bit though. 4 00:00:26,420 --> 00:00:28,335 Take two 5 00:00:32,121 --> 00:00:36,517 It's really hard to separate how the Playboy world 6 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,302 affected how I feel about the way I look 7 00:00:39,346 --> 00:00:42,131 and just what's authentic to me. 8 00:00:42,174 --> 00:00:44,307 People might think, "Oh, you must have felt great 9 00:00:44,351 --> 00:00:46,788 'cause you were on TV and you were famous." 10 00:00:46,831 --> 00:00:48,964 They think that I should have known 11 00:00:49,007 --> 00:00:51,314 exactly what I was getting into. 12 00:00:51,358 --> 00:00:53,664 Like, "Whoa, you're stepping into a cult there." 13 00:00:53,708 --> 00:00:55,840 But I absolutely did not. 14 00:00:55,884 --> 00:00:58,626 In my early 20s, I didn't realize 15 00:00:58,669 --> 00:01:02,543 that getting into the Playboy world was a dangerous choice. 16 00:01:07,199 --> 00:01:08,636 My name is Hugh Hefner. 17 00:01:08,679 --> 00:01:10,396 I'm editor/publisher of "Playboy" magazine. 18 00:01:10,420 --> 00:01:12,335 When Hugh Hefner was just 27, 19 00:01:12,379 --> 00:01:14,729 he fashioned himself and "Playboy" 20 00:01:14,772 --> 00:01:17,035 as the face of sexual liberation. 21 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:18,515 Playboy is one of 22 00:01:18,559 --> 00:01:20,648 the most famous brand names in the world. 23 00:01:20,691 --> 00:01:22,321 I would like to be remembered as somebody 24 00:01:22,345 --> 00:01:24,173 who played some positive part 25 00:01:24,216 --> 00:01:26,915 in changing the social, sexual values of my time. 26 00:01:28,395 --> 00:01:32,573 I believe that Hef pulled one over on the whole world. 27 00:01:32,616 --> 00:01:34,575 The fantasy of Playboy that he created 28 00:01:34,618 --> 00:01:38,013 did not allow for the consent of the women. 29 00:01:39,231 --> 00:01:40,972 When it came to Hefner's buddies, 30 00:01:41,016 --> 00:01:43,235 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 31 00:01:43,279 --> 00:01:44,933 What have you got for free? 32 00:01:44,976 --> 00:01:47,022 When you get someone that powerful, 33 00:01:47,065 --> 00:01:49,372 anything could happen. Anything. 34 00:01:49,416 --> 00:01:51,113 The people who were really there, 35 00:01:51,156 --> 00:01:52,854 they're the ones who know the real truth. 36 00:01:52,897 --> 00:01:54,464 I want to be a voice 37 00:01:54,508 --> 00:01:57,424 for the women that suffered the most at his hands. 38 00:02:23,014 --> 00:02:25,234 This was the episode where, when I saw it, 39 00:02:25,277 --> 00:02:27,976 I thought I was so fat in it 40 00:02:28,019 --> 00:02:30,587 because I always felt like I had to watch, 41 00:02:30,631 --> 00:02:33,373 like, every tiny little thing about my appearance. 42 00:02:35,157 --> 00:02:38,073 I was one of Hugh Hefner's multiple girlfriends, 43 00:02:38,116 --> 00:02:40,728 and I starred in a show called "The Girls Next Door." 44 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:43,557 I feel like, on "Girls Next Door," 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,908 Hef was portrayed as like a kindly grandpa. 46 00:02:46,951 --> 00:02:49,432 That's not how he is. 47 00:02:49,476 --> 00:02:54,568 It would make me so angry how manipulative he was. 48 00:02:54,611 --> 00:02:57,658 Hef controlled every aspect of our life. 49 00:02:57,701 --> 00:03:00,661 And after I left the Mansion, 50 00:03:00,704 --> 00:03:04,316 I can't really explain to you 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,362 how strong the feeling was in me 52 00:03:06,406 --> 00:03:08,277 that I needed to get my story out. 53 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,627 She has a new book out that is making waves 54 00:03:10,671 --> 00:03:11,976 and upsetting Hef. 55 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:13,848 It's called" 56 00:03:13,891 --> 00:03:15,850 Curious Adventures and Cautionary Tales 57 00:03:15,893 --> 00:03:17,765 of a Former Playboy Bunny." 58 00:03:19,810 --> 00:03:21,571 You know, I think when I came out with my story, 59 00:03:21,595 --> 00:03:25,642 a lot of people were really hostile toward it. 60 00:03:25,686 --> 00:03:28,123 They would say, "Oh, you're talking all this. 61 00:03:28,166 --> 00:03:31,474 You were so happy there. You loved being there." 62 00:03:31,518 --> 00:03:34,564 Because so many people who are part of that Playboy world, 63 00:03:34,608 --> 00:03:36,044 they don't want anything tarnishing 64 00:03:36,087 --> 00:03:38,133 like that golden bubble in their life. 65 00:03:42,485 --> 00:03:45,314 I knew Hugh Hefner for 44 years. 66 00:03:47,098 --> 00:03:48,839 He was the one that walked me down the aisle 67 00:03:48,883 --> 00:03:50,537 when I got married to Joel. 68 00:03:50,580 --> 00:03:54,018 I had 27 years at the Mansion. 69 00:03:54,062 --> 00:03:56,934 God love Holly, I hope she has a wonderful life. 70 00:03:56,978 --> 00:04:00,111 But what she did in her book was a complete affront to Hef 71 00:04:00,155 --> 00:04:02,157 and everything he stood for. 72 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,028 She seemed like she really liked him, 73 00:04:04,072 --> 00:04:05,943 that she really cared about him. 74 00:04:05,987 --> 00:04:09,164 I don't know why she would write a book like that. 75 00:04:10,818 --> 00:04:13,473 People want to villainize women in these situations. 76 00:04:15,083 --> 00:04:18,303 But I had so much belief in myself before I met Hef. 77 00:04:18,347 --> 00:04:21,089 And then it was just shattered. 78 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:27,051 I want people to know why I felt like I couldn't leave 79 00:04:27,095 --> 00:04:30,838 and why I chose to get in that situation in the first place. 80 00:04:35,799 --> 00:04:37,584 We Playmates have the secret to happiness. 81 00:04:37,627 --> 00:04:39,020 The secret that brings you 82 00:04:39,063 --> 00:04:41,109 the world's most beautiful women. 83 00:04:41,152 --> 00:04:42,893 And their outrageous video... free. 84 00:04:42,937 --> 00:04:44,373 Free? 85 00:04:44,416 --> 00:04:45,916 Is this like a lamp you rub or something? 86 00:04:45,940 --> 00:04:48,377 No, it's Playboy. 87 00:04:50,727 --> 00:04:53,034 Growing up, they used to have, 88 00:04:53,077 --> 00:04:55,950 believe it or not, Playboy commercials on TV, 89 00:04:55,993 --> 00:04:58,126 and they would show videos of these women 90 00:04:58,169 --> 00:05:00,694 and they were always, like, so flattering. 91 00:05:00,737 --> 00:05:03,523 And I was like, "Wow, I want to look like that." 92 00:05:04,915 --> 00:05:06,787 Ever since I was a kid, 93 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:08,658 I've had a really difficult time 94 00:05:08,702 --> 00:05:10,399 connecting with other people. 95 00:05:11,792 --> 00:05:13,707 I grew up in a very, very small town in Alaska, 96 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:17,711 basically, you know, living in the woods at certain points. 97 00:05:17,754 --> 00:05:19,539 Every couple years, we would move, 98 00:05:19,582 --> 00:05:21,236 I'd be introduced to a new place. 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,805 I never really felt like I fit in there. 100 00:05:24,848 --> 00:05:27,808 I'm also not quite neurotypical, 101 00:05:27,851 --> 00:05:30,027 which I was only recently diagnosed. 102 00:05:30,071 --> 00:05:31,875 Like, obviously, I've been that way my whole life. 103 00:05:31,899 --> 00:05:36,556 But a few years back, my ex called my mom. 104 00:05:36,599 --> 00:05:38,296 He was like, "So I can't connect with her. 105 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:39,970 Like, what is wrong with her? Blah, blah, blah." 106 00:05:39,994 --> 00:05:44,564 And she was like, "Well, you know, 107 00:05:44,607 --> 00:05:46,609 I'm pretty sure she has Asperger's." 108 00:05:46,653 --> 00:05:48,263 And then I'm like looking it up 109 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:49,632 and like talking to my doctor about it. 110 00:05:49,656 --> 00:05:53,094 I'm like, "Oh, this is 100% me, 100%." 111 00:05:54,748 --> 00:05:56,967 And I've just kind of been looking back 112 00:05:57,011 --> 00:06:00,492 and seeing everything through that lens now. 113 00:06:00,536 --> 00:06:03,670 And I think I was drawn to try to be in the spotlight 114 00:06:03,713 --> 00:06:07,674 because I felt like if I could be famous, 115 00:06:07,717 --> 00:06:08,892 that would be a shortcut 116 00:06:08,936 --> 00:06:10,372 to feeling a connection with people 117 00:06:10,415 --> 00:06:13,027 because we feel connected to celebrities. 118 00:06:15,507 --> 00:06:19,903 I was very much attracted to like the Anna Nicole Smiths, 119 00:06:19,947 --> 00:06:21,470 who was a supermodel at the time, 120 00:06:21,513 --> 00:06:23,603 and the Jenny McCarthys 121 00:06:23,646 --> 00:06:25,561 who was like the It girl on MTV 122 00:06:25,605 --> 00:06:27,607 and the Pamela Andersons who was like... 123 00:06:27,650 --> 00:06:29,913 She was the biggest TV star at the time. 124 00:06:29,957 --> 00:06:31,757 And kind of this common denominator you notice 125 00:06:31,785 --> 00:06:33,613 is they all started out as Playmates. 126 00:06:33,656 --> 00:06:36,224 It made a lot of sense to infer that, 127 00:06:36,267 --> 00:06:37,660 "Oh, if I start out at Playboy, 128 00:06:37,704 --> 00:06:39,749 I could end up like that too because they did." 129 00:06:41,882 --> 00:06:43,579 The next time I encountered 130 00:06:43,623 --> 00:06:45,450 anything from the Playboy world 131 00:06:45,494 --> 00:06:48,192 was when I moved to California, 132 00:06:48,236 --> 00:06:52,153 I was working for Hawaiian Tropic as a model. 133 00:06:52,196 --> 00:06:55,678 Mark Saginor, Hef's personal doctor at the time, 134 00:06:55,722 --> 00:06:58,333 was at one of the Hawaiian Tropic contests 135 00:06:58,376 --> 00:07:02,076 and he extended an invitation to a Playboy party 136 00:07:02,119 --> 00:07:05,166 to all the women participating. 137 00:07:06,733 --> 00:07:08,778 I was really excited to go because, at the time, 138 00:07:08,822 --> 00:07:11,302 the Playboy parties were really, really exclusive. 139 00:07:11,346 --> 00:07:13,827 You saw celebrities everywhere. 140 00:07:15,437 --> 00:07:17,744 You saw Playmates you recognized from the magazine. 141 00:07:18,962 --> 00:07:20,355 And of course, I saw Hef. 142 00:07:23,097 --> 00:07:26,187 At that point, everybody was giving him a ton of attention 143 00:07:26,230 --> 00:07:27,797 because he was going out to nightclubs 144 00:07:27,841 --> 00:07:30,234 several times a week with seven girlfriends. 145 00:07:30,278 --> 00:07:32,759 - These are my girlfriends. - Every one of them 146 00:07:32,802 --> 00:07:34,717 is your girlfriend? - Yes. 147 00:07:34,761 --> 00:07:37,285 The image I got of Hef and his girlfriends 148 00:07:37,328 --> 00:07:40,549 was one of a revolving door. 149 00:07:40,592 --> 00:07:43,160 The women would come in, they would all get centerfolds. 150 00:07:43,204 --> 00:07:45,075 Some of them would move on to better things. 151 00:07:45,119 --> 00:07:47,199 And it just seemed like everyone was happy with that. 152 00:07:49,340 --> 00:07:52,126 And then in summer of 2001, 153 00:07:52,169 --> 00:07:55,782 I got invited to the pool parties that they would have 154 00:07:55,825 --> 00:07:57,740 on Sundays at the Playboy Mansion, 155 00:07:57,784 --> 00:08:01,091 and I just saw this really wholesome atmosphere. 156 00:08:01,135 --> 00:08:03,311 It was really surprising. 157 00:08:03,354 --> 00:08:05,748 The whole social circle at the Mansion 158 00:08:05,792 --> 00:08:10,971 just seemed like such a happy little family of friends. 159 00:08:11,014 --> 00:08:12,799 So for somebody who has a horrible time 160 00:08:12,842 --> 00:08:14,322 connecting with other people 161 00:08:14,365 --> 00:08:16,019 to kind of fall into this place 162 00:08:16,063 --> 00:08:19,457 that feels like a little community instantly 163 00:08:19,501 --> 00:08:21,416 is very attractive. 164 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:26,551 On Sundays, she would sit there two or three chairs down 165 00:08:26,595 --> 00:08:28,292 from where we would play backgammon. 166 00:08:28,336 --> 00:08:30,512 I remember her talking to Alison and asking her, 167 00:08:30,555 --> 00:08:32,514 "How do I become a girlfriend?" 168 00:08:32,557 --> 00:08:35,822 Hef really didn't, like, pick her out. 169 00:08:35,865 --> 00:08:38,738 She basically, you know, came to him. 170 00:08:44,352 --> 00:08:45,962 I wasn't physically attracted to Hef, 171 00:08:46,006 --> 00:08:48,008 but I did find him very charming. 172 00:08:48,051 --> 00:08:50,271 And I feel like one of the reasons I was 173 00:08:50,314 --> 00:08:53,274 so able to buy into being able to have this relationship 174 00:08:53,317 --> 00:08:55,015 with an older person is I thought, 175 00:08:55,058 --> 00:08:56,775 "Well, I never like connected with guys my own age. 176 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:58,888 "So maybe this is what's meant to happen. 177 00:08:58,932 --> 00:09:00,890 Maybe this is a better fit." 178 00:09:03,675 --> 00:09:06,287 And in the amount of time I was going to parties there, 179 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:08,289 which is about a year's worth of time, 180 00:09:08,332 --> 00:09:11,640 it was made obvious to me that I could join the group 181 00:09:11,683 --> 00:09:14,295 anytime I wanted through some of the other women. 182 00:09:14,338 --> 00:09:16,819 And of course, all the girls behind the scenes were saying 183 00:09:16,863 --> 00:09:17,883 they didn't really sleep with him 184 00:09:17,907 --> 00:09:19,474 and it's just all publicity. 185 00:09:19,517 --> 00:09:22,999 And I felt like that was probably the case. 186 00:09:23,043 --> 00:09:25,828 - Does he bang any of them? - Um... I don't know. 187 00:09:25,872 --> 00:09:27,569 You don't know? 188 00:09:27,612 --> 00:09:30,833 I thought living at the Mansion would be very cozy. 189 00:09:30,877 --> 00:09:32,356 I felt like it would be 190 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,490 this really one-of-a-kind amazing sorority. 191 00:09:37,231 --> 00:09:39,407 People always want to point to the money and the luxury 192 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:41,844 and... you know, that was fine. 193 00:09:41,888 --> 00:09:44,455 But what really attracted me 194 00:09:44,499 --> 00:09:46,240 was the sense of having a community 195 00:09:46,283 --> 00:09:47,807 and a support system. 196 00:09:47,850 --> 00:09:52,986 And people don't recognize how alluring that can be. 197 00:09:55,727 --> 00:09:58,600 The first night I went out with Hef and the girls, 198 00:09:58,643 --> 00:10:00,645 I just kind of had it in my mind that, 199 00:10:00,689 --> 00:10:02,232 you know, I was gonna see what happened, 200 00:10:02,256 --> 00:10:03,494 and if I wasn't comfortable with it, 201 00:10:03,518 --> 00:10:05,868 I didn't have to do anything. 202 00:10:05,912 --> 00:10:09,611 You know, we went out to a nightclub. 203 00:10:09,654 --> 00:10:11,743 I was sitting next to Hef, and he leaned over 204 00:10:11,787 --> 00:10:14,529 and he asked me if I wanted to take a Quaalude. 205 00:10:16,270 --> 00:10:17,987 I said something like, "No, I don't do drugs." 206 00:10:18,011 --> 00:10:20,448 And he goes, "Yeah, I typically don't either. 207 00:10:20,491 --> 00:10:21,599 "But, you know, they used to call these 208 00:10:21,623 --> 00:10:23,059 thigh openers in the '70s." 209 00:10:23,103 --> 00:10:24,800 I just thought it was really weird. 210 00:10:27,020 --> 00:10:30,545 That night, I drank a lot 'cause I was nervous. 211 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:32,068 Back at the house, 212 00:10:32,112 --> 00:10:36,029 after I ended up going upstairs with them... 213 00:10:44,515 --> 00:10:46,648 I don't really wanna talk about it. 214 00:11:04,666 --> 00:11:06,059 There was definitely no, 215 00:11:06,102 --> 00:11:07,712 like, romance or seduction 216 00:11:07,756 --> 00:11:09,192 or anything like that. 217 00:11:11,455 --> 00:11:13,283 It was dark in the room. 218 00:11:13,327 --> 00:11:16,896 But there was a giant movie screen of porn 219 00:11:16,939 --> 00:11:19,072 in front of the bed. 220 00:11:19,115 --> 00:11:21,683 He was in the middle of the bed. 221 00:11:21,726 --> 00:11:23,337 And then the women were surrounding him, 222 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:25,121 but they're all backlit. 223 00:11:28,342 --> 00:11:32,433 I'd never had casual sex with anybody before. 224 00:11:32,476 --> 00:11:35,697 I feel like I was kind of really asexual. 225 00:11:37,481 --> 00:11:39,614 So maybe I just wasn't ready for that? 226 00:11:42,095 --> 00:11:45,837 It was all very mechanical and robotic, 227 00:11:45,881 --> 00:11:49,276 and you would kind of follow the other women's lead. 228 00:11:50,668 --> 00:11:54,194 And it was really gross to me 229 00:11:54,237 --> 00:11:57,110 how Hef didn't wanna use use protection. 230 00:12:01,766 --> 00:12:04,639 The impact it had on me was so heavy. 231 00:12:06,641 --> 00:12:08,991 I never expected to be 232 00:12:09,035 --> 00:12:11,776 the first person to have sex that night 233 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:14,823 or to be like pushed into it. 234 00:12:18,609 --> 00:12:20,611 The next morning, 235 00:12:20,655 --> 00:12:23,875 I definitely felt humiliated by the experience. 236 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:26,095 But in the beginning, even after that night, 237 00:12:26,139 --> 00:12:29,490 like, I still had this idea and this fantasy of, like, 238 00:12:29,533 --> 00:12:31,405 all of us being like sorority sisters 239 00:12:31,448 --> 00:12:33,711 and we're all gonna get along. 240 00:12:33,755 --> 00:12:36,410 I think sometimes when you're not in control at all, 241 00:12:36,453 --> 00:12:39,108 you can lean into a bad situation more 242 00:12:39,152 --> 00:12:40,477 because you're almost fooling yourself 243 00:12:40,501 --> 00:12:42,807 by thinking you are in control. 244 00:12:42,851 --> 00:12:45,419 I think it's a trauma response. 245 00:12:45,462 --> 00:12:48,683 So I decided to move into the Mansion. 246 00:12:50,119 --> 00:12:53,209 Obviously, I told people, 'cause I moved, 247 00:12:53,253 --> 00:12:56,038 and I was just shocked at how everyone reacted. 248 00:12:56,082 --> 00:12:58,823 When you say you're like dating Hugh Hefner or whatever, 249 00:12:58,867 --> 00:13:01,652 people assume you're getting a money exchange for sex 250 00:13:01,696 --> 00:13:03,524 and they want to put you in a corner 251 00:13:03,567 --> 00:13:06,788 and, you know, call you a hooker or whatever. 252 00:13:06,831 --> 00:13:09,051 So I know there's that judgement out there. 253 00:13:09,095 --> 00:13:11,836 And I just immediately felt dirty 254 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,361 and like I would be judged for the rest of my life 255 00:13:14,404 --> 00:13:16,711 for making this decision. 256 00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:19,148 And I never thought of it that way at all. 257 00:13:19,192 --> 00:13:21,716 I thought of myself as involved with one man. 258 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:23,979 I did enjoy living at his house, 259 00:13:24,023 --> 00:13:27,374 but it wasn't in a direct exchange of money for sex 260 00:13:27,417 --> 00:13:28,810 or anything like that. 261 00:13:28,853 --> 00:13:31,073 I don't look down on sex workers. 262 00:13:31,117 --> 00:13:33,728 But it does bug me that people want to put me in that corner 263 00:13:33,771 --> 00:13:35,164 because I don't feel like 264 00:13:35,208 --> 00:13:38,124 I was even making that decision, really. 265 00:13:40,256 --> 00:13:44,478 I had unintentionally branded myself by moving in there. 266 00:13:44,521 --> 00:13:48,134 And if I thought my life was hard before, 267 00:13:48,177 --> 00:13:51,180 it was gonna be really hard if I left. 268 00:13:51,224 --> 00:13:52,505 And it made me just want to, like, 269 00:13:52,529 --> 00:13:54,096 turn the situation right somehow. 270 00:13:54,140 --> 00:13:57,099 And I didn't know how to do that. 271 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,417 At the Mansion, the indoctrination, I feel, 272 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:12,767 starts almost immediately when you're there 273 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:15,683 and you start hearing about how wonderful Hef is 274 00:14:15,726 --> 00:14:18,599 from his circle of friends. 275 00:14:18,642 --> 00:14:22,255 Hef provided a stunning environment. 276 00:14:22,298 --> 00:14:25,475 He was a loving, decent, wonderful man, 277 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:27,129 incredible friend. 278 00:14:27,173 --> 00:14:30,741 He is such a great man 279 00:14:30,785 --> 00:14:33,396 with such a great personality, 280 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,355 and everyone was drawn to him. 281 00:14:35,398 --> 00:14:38,706 Hef was a gracious man. 282 00:14:38,749 --> 00:14:40,099 And he loved women. 283 00:14:40,142 --> 00:14:41,404 He loved them. 284 00:14:41,448 --> 00:14:43,972 He treated women with love 285 00:14:44,015 --> 00:14:46,888 and honor and respect. 286 00:14:46,931 --> 00:14:51,458 And I think that Hef always was a romanticist. 287 00:14:51,501 --> 00:14:53,373 I'm a romantic fool. 288 00:14:53,416 --> 00:14:56,463 I mean, I was raised in that impossible world 289 00:14:56,506 --> 00:14:59,379 where the words of the songs are true. 290 00:14:59,422 --> 00:15:01,163 And the romantic songs, the Cole Porter 291 00:15:01,207 --> 00:15:02,643 and the... you know, the Gershwin. 292 00:15:04,514 --> 00:15:05,994 So in the beginning, 293 00:15:06,037 --> 00:15:07,952 Hef is what you would now call a love bomber. 294 00:15:07,996 --> 00:15:10,955 He's somebody who tells you I love you almost immediately. 295 00:15:10,999 --> 00:15:13,654 He was always telling me, you know, how special I was 296 00:15:13,697 --> 00:15:15,525 and you're so giving for your age. 297 00:15:15,569 --> 00:15:17,484 And, you know, he really made me feel like 298 00:15:17,527 --> 00:15:19,747 I was special and rare. 299 00:15:21,662 --> 00:15:24,752 You had no idea you were being brainwashed. 300 00:15:24,795 --> 00:15:27,320 Now that's a little girl in love. 301 00:15:27,363 --> 00:15:28,930 I was in heaven. 302 00:15:30,323 --> 00:15:32,629 I was Hef's girlfriend in the '70s 303 00:15:32,673 --> 00:15:34,501 and early '80s for five years. 304 00:15:36,067 --> 00:15:37,547 He liked the old movies, 305 00:15:37,591 --> 00:15:41,160 and it's like he would become a character 306 00:15:41,203 --> 00:15:45,773 and do the romantic things he saw in the movies. 307 00:15:45,816 --> 00:15:47,688 You know, he'd take me in his arms, 308 00:15:47,731 --> 00:15:51,082 and we'd dance around the game room. 309 00:15:51,126 --> 00:15:52,823 And he said, "You're the first girl 310 00:15:52,867 --> 00:15:56,958 I've liked enough to consider having a baby with." 311 00:15:57,001 --> 00:15:59,874 That was his romantic way. 312 00:15:59,917 --> 00:16:02,746 And people supported it. 313 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:06,054 The secretaries or whatever... They manipulated the girls. 314 00:16:06,097 --> 00:16:09,188 They... they spoke highly of him. 315 00:16:09,231 --> 00:16:11,015 He comes off, you know, caring and generous, 316 00:16:11,059 --> 00:16:12,863 especially when you see him in that atmosphere 317 00:16:12,887 --> 00:16:16,412 because he's providing this good time for all his friends. 318 00:16:16,456 --> 00:16:19,241 And, you know, they glow about him. 319 00:16:21,069 --> 00:16:22,568 And you just start to build this picture in your head 320 00:16:22,592 --> 00:16:25,769 of somebody who can really do no wrong. 321 00:16:25,813 --> 00:16:29,773 And now, looking back, on my time at Playboy, 322 00:16:29,817 --> 00:16:31,645 it reminds me of a cult. 323 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:43,396 The reason I think the Mansion was very cultlike, 324 00:16:43,439 --> 00:16:45,136 looking back on it, 325 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:47,051 is because we were all 326 00:16:47,095 --> 00:16:49,053 kind of gaslit 327 00:16:49,097 --> 00:16:53,536 and expected to think of Hef as like this really good guy. 328 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:56,147 And you started to feel like, "Oh, he's not 329 00:16:56,191 --> 00:16:58,324 what they say in the media. He's just a nice man." 330 00:17:00,326 --> 00:17:03,285 Another thing that reminds me of a cult is how it was so... 331 00:17:03,329 --> 00:17:05,940 easy to get isolated from the outside world there. 332 00:17:07,376 --> 00:17:09,335 You had a 9:00 curfew. 333 00:17:09,378 --> 00:17:13,339 You were encouraged to not have friends over. 334 00:17:13,382 --> 00:17:14,862 You weren't really allowed to leave 335 00:17:14,905 --> 00:17:16,690 unless it was like a family holiday. 336 00:17:16,733 --> 00:17:19,083 Are there are rules like can you have boyfriends at all? 337 00:17:19,127 --> 00:17:20,476 - No. - No. 338 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,324 - You're not allowed to? - Hef is our boyfriend. 339 00:17:22,348 --> 00:17:23,673 How do you know when you're called to the master bedroom? 340 00:17:23,697 --> 00:17:25,438 Do you have nights? Yeah. 341 00:17:25,481 --> 00:17:27,744 The sex always happened kind of like the same time 342 00:17:27,788 --> 00:17:29,790 the same night. 343 00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:32,532 We would go out to a club every Wednesday and Friday, 344 00:17:32,575 --> 00:17:35,970 and that would be expected when we got home. 345 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:37,904 I kept my waitressing job at just like one day a week 346 00:17:37,928 --> 00:17:41,149 because I wanted just to have something easy to go back to 347 00:17:41,192 --> 00:17:42,716 should things not work out. 348 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:44,370 And he said it made him jealous 349 00:17:44,413 --> 00:17:47,242 and he would appreciate it if I quit my job. 350 00:17:47,286 --> 00:17:51,594 So instead, we were given $1,000 a week as an allowance. 351 00:17:52,856 --> 00:17:55,163 I know for a fact the rules she had to follow were true. 352 00:17:55,206 --> 00:17:56,904 You're imprisoned in that Playboy, like, 353 00:17:56,947 --> 00:17:59,602 you can't do your own thing 100%. 354 00:17:59,646 --> 00:18:02,562 When Hefner was married to Kimberley, 355 00:18:02,605 --> 00:18:07,131 I'd invited Kimberley to a Sunday lunch at my house, 356 00:18:07,175 --> 00:18:11,222 but she was not really allowed out of the Mansion. 357 00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:13,137 So she arrived with a bodyguard 358 00:18:13,181 --> 00:18:16,445 who was constantly on his telephone to Mr. Hefner. 359 00:18:16,489 --> 00:18:18,882 "She's going up the stairs. She's gone to the loo." 360 00:18:18,926 --> 00:18:21,189 And I was like, "Is this a joke?" 361 00:18:21,232 --> 00:18:24,975 And she's like, "No, this is... this is how it is." 362 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:28,892 I think in the very early first few months 363 00:18:28,936 --> 00:18:30,546 that I was there, 364 00:18:30,590 --> 00:18:32,548 even though not everything was to my liking, 365 00:18:32,592 --> 00:18:37,379 I felt like I hadn't given the situation enough of a chance. 366 00:18:37,423 --> 00:18:39,294 Love, love, love! 367 00:18:39,338 --> 00:18:41,818 So I tried really hard to follow all the rules. 368 00:18:41,862 --> 00:18:44,038 Welcome to the Playboy Mansion. 369 00:18:44,081 --> 00:18:45,668 I'm Holly, and I'm here to give you a tour. 370 00:18:45,692 --> 00:18:47,911 Come on with me. I'll show you the game house. 371 00:18:47,955 --> 00:18:51,350 I saw Holly try very hard 372 00:18:51,393 --> 00:18:53,482 to be like the lady of the Mansion. 373 00:18:53,526 --> 00:18:55,136 Every little boy's fantasy, 374 00:18:55,179 --> 00:18:57,399 a house devoted entirely to games. 375 00:18:57,443 --> 00:18:59,401 We have old video games, new ones. 376 00:18:59,445 --> 00:19:04,232 She really tried to get into the things that Hef got into. 377 00:19:04,275 --> 00:19:05,407 They had movie nights 378 00:19:05,451 --> 00:19:07,670 on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. 379 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:09,368 1939. 380 00:19:09,411 --> 00:19:10,891 "Gone with the Wind." 381 00:19:12,762 --> 00:19:15,722 She'd be there, and she'd be very sweet to everybody. 382 00:19:17,463 --> 00:19:19,484 One thing about me that was different from the other women 383 00:19:19,508 --> 00:19:22,642 who lived there was I was really quiet. 384 00:19:22,685 --> 00:19:24,992 I just liked to stay in, 385 00:19:25,035 --> 00:19:26,733 and I loved watching the old movies 386 00:19:26,776 --> 00:19:28,735 that Hef showed on Friday and Saturdays. 387 00:19:28,778 --> 00:19:31,172 I liked going down to the buffet dinners 388 00:19:31,215 --> 00:19:32,391 and chatting with his friends 389 00:19:32,434 --> 00:19:34,088 or listening to them talk or whatever. 390 00:19:35,959 --> 00:19:37,918 The other girls, they were just there to party 391 00:19:37,961 --> 00:19:40,181 and have a good time. 392 00:19:40,224 --> 00:19:43,924 Holly was there to be a real presence 393 00:19:43,967 --> 00:19:47,188 in the Playboy Mansion. 394 00:19:47,231 --> 00:19:48,711 Holly just cared about Hef. 395 00:19:50,539 --> 00:19:53,107 She was there to look after him. 396 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:58,155 She was a good hostess to his guests. 397 00:19:58,199 --> 00:20:00,984 I thought she was right for him. 398 00:20:01,028 --> 00:20:04,205 Within the first few months, I went from being new 399 00:20:04,248 --> 00:20:08,209 to being like Hef's main girlfriend. 400 00:20:08,252 --> 00:20:10,429 I wasn't into the multiple girlfriend thing. 401 00:20:10,472 --> 00:20:12,735 It's not about them. It's just about 402 00:20:12,779 --> 00:20:14,737 I would obviously rather be in a relationship 403 00:20:14,781 --> 00:20:16,565 where it's just me and one other person. 404 00:20:16,609 --> 00:20:20,003 I was expected to order his drinks for him 405 00:20:20,047 --> 00:20:22,484 and like always stand next to him in pictures 406 00:20:22,528 --> 00:20:25,008 and to move into his room. 407 00:20:25,052 --> 00:20:27,228 Now, what is it about Holly? 408 00:20:27,271 --> 00:20:29,317 Well, I think, despite the age disparity, 409 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:30,797 I think she's an old soul. 410 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,668 I think we have very common interests 411 00:20:32,712 --> 00:20:36,542 in terms of the way we enjoy spending our time. 412 00:20:36,585 --> 00:20:37,804 She loves old classic films, 413 00:20:37,847 --> 00:20:40,937 she loves the same kind of music I love. 414 00:20:40,981 --> 00:20:43,113 I think what switched for me 415 00:20:43,157 --> 00:20:45,159 was when Hef started using me as a tool and saying, 416 00:20:45,202 --> 00:20:46,876 "Well, why can't you just behave like Holly? 417 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:48,268 "Why can't you just show up to all the movies? 418 00:20:48,292 --> 00:20:49,685 Why can't you do this like her?" 419 00:20:49,729 --> 00:20:52,166 Then everybody hated me. 420 00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:54,168 One of the girlfriends 421 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:58,085 started working as a liaison for this escort service. 422 00:20:58,128 --> 00:20:59,521 And she started trying to recruit 423 00:20:59,565 --> 00:21:01,436 all the other girlfriends. 424 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,830 When she was found out, 425 00:21:03,873 --> 00:21:06,397 she thought it was me who told on her, and it wasn't. 426 00:21:06,441 --> 00:21:08,138 And I remember I had the flu 427 00:21:08,182 --> 00:21:09,836 and I was laying down in Hef's room. 428 00:21:09,879 --> 00:21:11,664 He was downstairs somewhere. 429 00:21:11,707 --> 00:21:14,405 And she like comes up the bed screaming in my face, 430 00:21:14,449 --> 00:21:15,842 and I like can barely move, 431 00:21:15,885 --> 00:21:18,540 so it's kind of like a scary situation. 432 00:21:18,584 --> 00:21:20,063 And I kind of had a breakdown 433 00:21:20,107 --> 00:21:21,345 because I thought she was gonna hit me, 434 00:21:21,369 --> 00:21:23,676 and like I have to live with these people. 435 00:21:25,808 --> 00:21:29,595 So I was completely isolated until Bridget came along. 436 00:21:31,466 --> 00:21:33,381 Bridget, how did you come aboard? 437 00:21:33,424 --> 00:21:35,490 Um, I came to the Mansion pursuing to be in the magazine. 438 00:21:35,514 --> 00:21:37,167 I really wanted to be a Playmate 439 00:21:37,211 --> 00:21:40,693 and started going out as the big party posse. 440 00:21:40,736 --> 00:21:42,912 I think that Holly and I bonded because 441 00:21:42,956 --> 00:21:46,916 I was very clear about not wanting her position. 442 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,833 Some of the girlfriends would have liked to take that spot. 443 00:21:50,877 --> 00:21:53,401 They wanna just like still break all the rules 444 00:21:53,444 --> 00:21:55,185 but still get all the perks. 445 00:21:56,099 --> 00:21:57,424 I knew that Holly would want a life 446 00:21:57,448 --> 00:22:00,713 without all the extra girlfriends. 447 00:22:00,756 --> 00:22:03,672 In five years from today, Holly, what are you doing? 448 00:22:03,716 --> 00:22:05,979 Um, I wanna be married, have kids, 449 00:22:06,022 --> 00:22:07,807 and still be working at Playboy. 450 00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:08,895 - With Hef? - Yeah. 451 00:22:13,247 --> 00:22:14,529 I think I definitely thought I was in love with Hef, 452 00:22:14,553 --> 00:22:17,164 but it was very Stockholm syndrome. 453 00:22:17,207 --> 00:22:18,818 Very Stockholm syndrome. 454 00:22:20,776 --> 00:22:23,823 So Stockholm syndrome is when somebody starts to identify 455 00:22:23,866 --> 00:22:26,347 with somebody who is their captor in some way. 456 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:29,176 And I feel like I did that with Hef 100%. 457 00:22:29,219 --> 00:22:32,962 Like, I never blamed him for any of the drama that went on. 458 00:22:33,006 --> 00:22:35,486 I always blamed it on the other women, you know. 459 00:22:35,530 --> 00:22:37,097 Hef was innocent in my eyes. 460 00:22:38,577 --> 00:22:41,014 And then later, one of the girls was telling me 461 00:22:41,057 --> 00:22:43,451 how Hef always pits the main girlfriend 462 00:22:43,494 --> 00:22:46,062 against the other girls. 463 00:22:46,106 --> 00:22:48,891 This situation was going on for years before I came along. 464 00:22:54,244 --> 00:22:57,857 - What do you see? - Patty and Laura. 465 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:00,424 This must have been the Playmate party. 466 00:23:00,468 --> 00:23:02,601 And that's when I met all these girls. 467 00:23:02,644 --> 00:23:06,648 And they were very, very mean to me at this point. 468 00:23:06,692 --> 00:23:12,045 When I was Hef's girlfriend, every girl wanted my position. 469 00:23:12,088 --> 00:23:13,675 See, all the girls wanted to be in my shoes. 470 00:23:13,699 --> 00:23:16,353 They wanted to be the girl walking down the path with him, 471 00:23:16,397 --> 00:23:18,747 sitting next to him. 472 00:23:18,791 --> 00:23:20,575 He would pit us against each other. 473 00:23:20,619 --> 00:23:24,144 You know, there was always a little tiff 474 00:23:24,187 --> 00:23:25,841 going with different girls. 475 00:23:25,885 --> 00:23:29,845 And, you know, if everybody was a little unsure of themselves, 476 00:23:29,889 --> 00:23:31,630 then he could have his way. 477 00:23:33,196 --> 00:23:36,504 It was like we were in this competition. 478 00:23:36,547 --> 00:23:39,463 And when I look at somebody who's 479 00:23:39,507 --> 00:23:42,728 struggling to create all this drama amongst people 480 00:23:42,771 --> 00:23:45,252 so he can feel like people are fighting over him, 481 00:23:45,295 --> 00:23:48,298 I'm like, "What hole are you trying to fill?" 482 00:24:01,485 --> 00:24:03,139 My name is Richard Bann, 483 00:24:03,183 --> 00:24:06,882 and I was lucky enough to meet Hugh Hefner in 1990. 484 00:24:06,926 --> 00:24:10,146 And I knew him as one of his closest personal friends 485 00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:11,191 until he died. 486 00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:17,284 As a kid, he was uncomfortable approaching young ladies. 487 00:24:17,327 --> 00:24:18,851 And he didn't always succeed. 488 00:24:20,069 --> 00:24:21,723 In high school, 489 00:24:21,767 --> 00:24:26,336 he was gonna invite Betty Conklin to a hayride. 490 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:27,686 And she rejected him. 491 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:32,342 She went instead with one of his close friends. 492 00:24:33,561 --> 00:24:36,564 This was a watershed event in his life. 493 00:24:36,607 --> 00:24:39,828 What he did was he reinvented himself. 494 00:24:39,872 --> 00:24:43,136 He changed his wardrobe, he changed the way he spoke 495 00:24:43,179 --> 00:24:46,574 in hopes of being able to attract 496 00:24:46,617 --> 00:24:49,403 someone like Betty Conklin. 497 00:24:50,578 --> 00:24:52,058 I'm a rebel. 498 00:24:52,101 --> 00:24:55,061 A man ought to work hard and play hard too 499 00:24:55,104 --> 00:24:57,411 because you only get one time around in this old world, 500 00:24:57,454 --> 00:24:59,065 and if you don't make the most of it, 501 00:24:59,108 --> 00:25:00,708 you've got no one to blame but yourself. 502 00:25:05,245 --> 00:25:07,160 Betty Conklin represented 503 00:25:07,203 --> 00:25:10,467 the "Citizen Kane" Rosebud of his life. 504 00:25:10,511 --> 00:25:15,037 She was the template for the girl next door. 505 00:25:15,081 --> 00:25:19,433 Hef created "Playboy" magazine and this whole empire 506 00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:21,783 to work out the failed relationship 507 00:25:21,827 --> 00:25:23,698 he had with Betty Conklin. 508 00:25:25,526 --> 00:25:29,095 With Hef, I don't really know what's true or what's not. 509 00:25:30,661 --> 00:25:32,315 He would tell people in the media 510 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,815 and, of course, they loved to run with that 511 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,450 as like the moment that changed everything. 512 00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:39,540 But it's not just a girl invited somebody else 513 00:25:39,583 --> 00:25:40,889 to a hayride in high school. 514 00:25:42,064 --> 00:25:43,805 The way he treats people, 515 00:25:43,849 --> 00:25:46,199 there's gotta be something more going on 516 00:25:46,242 --> 00:25:47,853 under the surface. 517 00:25:47,896 --> 00:25:50,203 There's got to be something darker. 518 00:25:50,246 --> 00:25:52,858 Because when I was there, 519 00:25:52,901 --> 00:25:57,471 I felt like he wanted to have control over me 520 00:25:57,514 --> 00:25:59,560 and the other women who were there. 521 00:26:01,692 --> 00:26:03,564 Hef wanted to know, 522 00:26:03,607 --> 00:26:06,610 "How does somebody control somebody?" 523 00:26:06,654 --> 00:26:10,266 When we first started dating in the late '70s, 524 00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:12,878 he was fascinated and obsessed with Charles Manson. 525 00:26:15,489 --> 00:26:17,970 Couldn't talk enough about him. 526 00:26:18,013 --> 00:26:19,841 How does this guy have these women 527 00:26:19,885 --> 00:26:22,235 that have been in jail for how many years 528 00:26:22,278 --> 00:26:23,845 and when they have a chance to get out, 529 00:26:23,889 --> 00:26:25,151 they're still adoring him, 530 00:26:25,194 --> 00:26:27,240 and they will till the day they die. 531 00:26:27,283 --> 00:26:29,808 And Hef liked that. 532 00:26:29,851 --> 00:26:32,245 In Hef's film collection, 533 00:26:32,288 --> 00:26:35,117 he even had the Manson family "home videos" 534 00:26:35,161 --> 00:26:36,815 made before the murders, 535 00:26:36,858 --> 00:26:39,600 the girls with guns and knives out at the ranch. 536 00:26:39,643 --> 00:26:40,949 You have to know it so that 537 00:26:40,993 --> 00:26:42,951 you could pick it up any second and shoot. 538 00:26:42,995 --> 00:26:45,171 There were so many similarities... 539 00:26:45,214 --> 00:26:48,609 The way the girls followed everything he said, 540 00:26:48,652 --> 00:26:50,698 and we were all one big happy family. 541 00:26:53,309 --> 00:26:54,702 He would say things like, 542 00:26:54,745 --> 00:26:56,835 "If you can get along with everybody, 543 00:26:56,878 --> 00:27:00,186 we can be together forever." 544 00:27:00,229 --> 00:27:04,494 That's how he reeled me in. I wasn't gay. 545 00:27:04,538 --> 00:27:08,063 But he would whisper in my ear, you know, "Go talk to her. 546 00:27:08,107 --> 00:27:11,371 Go talk to her and see if she wants to party." 547 00:27:13,155 --> 00:27:14,896 Finally, one day, I just, "Oh, geez! 548 00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:17,029 Okay. I'll try it once." 549 00:27:20,946 --> 00:27:22,208 Yeah. Yeah. 550 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,646 He was happy. 551 00:27:25,689 --> 00:27:29,215 That was exactly what he had asked for so long. 552 00:27:29,258 --> 00:27:32,522 But also, that wasn't enough. 553 00:27:32,566 --> 00:27:35,525 He had to have more and more and more. 554 00:27:35,569 --> 00:27:38,137 It just got ugly 555 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:40,400 because I felt like I was a ringmaster. 556 00:27:40,443 --> 00:27:43,490 I felt like I had to put the show on every night. 557 00:27:43,533 --> 00:27:45,274 And it's the same script. 558 00:27:45,318 --> 00:27:48,930 "Welcome to the family. We're embracing you." 559 00:27:48,974 --> 00:27:50,889 It was all a lie. 560 00:27:50,932 --> 00:27:54,109 I watched girl after girl after girl show up, 561 00:27:54,153 --> 00:27:57,025 fresh face, adorable, and then... 562 00:27:57,069 --> 00:27:59,114 their beauty just washed away. 563 00:27:59,158 --> 00:28:01,247 They were tired. 564 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:05,947 I saw clearly that we were nothing to him. 565 00:28:05,991 --> 00:28:08,602 Hugh went through decades of young girls, decades. 566 00:28:10,212 --> 00:28:12,954 He said to me, "What I do is 567 00:28:12,998 --> 00:28:16,131 I find somebody whose looks I like, 568 00:28:16,175 --> 00:28:19,874 that I'm really attracted to, for all the obvious reasons, 569 00:28:19,918 --> 00:28:24,835 and then I project onto them whatever it is I want to see 570 00:28:24,879 --> 00:28:26,533 and I block out everything else." 571 00:28:28,317 --> 00:28:29,971 By the early 2000s, 572 00:28:30,015 --> 00:28:33,061 the girlfriends were always these interchangeable, 573 00:28:33,105 --> 00:28:35,368 replaceable sex objects to Hefner. 574 00:28:37,152 --> 00:28:39,154 I think it probably gave him a feeling 575 00:28:39,198 --> 00:28:42,853 of being more in control if we all looked identical. 576 00:28:42,897 --> 00:28:44,986 How do you tell each other apart? 577 00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:46,833 'Cause y'all have the same kind of blonde hair. 578 00:28:46,857 --> 00:28:48,337 Yeah. 579 00:28:48,381 --> 00:28:49,445 The plastic surgery amongst the girlfriends 580 00:28:49,469 --> 00:28:50,992 in the Mansion was compulsive. 581 00:28:51,036 --> 00:28:54,300 Everybody was doing it with very few exceptions. 582 00:28:54,343 --> 00:28:56,345 I remember being made to feel 583 00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:59,522 like I needed to look exactly like everybody else. 584 00:28:59,566 --> 00:29:02,047 When I asked him if I could ever test for Playmate, 585 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:04,963 he said I'm just not photogenic enough. 586 00:29:05,006 --> 00:29:07,574 So of course, what that does to you is it makes you wonder, 587 00:29:07,617 --> 00:29:08,967 "Wow, what's wrong with me? 588 00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:10,620 Like, what do I need to get fixed?" 589 00:29:12,448 --> 00:29:15,321 Holly, she was getting her nose done and her this done 590 00:29:15,364 --> 00:29:17,801 and... you know, she wanted all this stuff done 591 00:29:17,845 --> 00:29:20,587 and so he paid for it. 592 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:21,781 I've always been very honest about it. 593 00:29:21,805 --> 00:29:23,590 I've had my boobs and my nose done. 594 00:29:25,809 --> 00:29:28,595 I got to a point not too far into my time there... 595 00:29:28,638 --> 00:29:30,007 I think I was only like six months in... 596 00:29:30,031 --> 00:29:32,555 Where I kind of broke under that pressure 597 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:34,601 and being made to feel like I needed to look 598 00:29:34,644 --> 00:29:36,255 exactly like everybody else. 599 00:29:37,169 --> 00:29:39,301 My hair was really long naturally, 600 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:41,782 and I was just like, "I'm gonna go chop my hair off 601 00:29:41,825 --> 00:29:43,610 so I can at least look a little different." 602 00:29:45,307 --> 00:29:47,179 I came back with short hair, 603 00:29:47,222 --> 00:29:49,790 and he flipped out on me. 604 00:29:49,833 --> 00:29:51,748 And he was screaming at me 605 00:29:51,792 --> 00:29:55,926 and said it made me look old, hard, and cheap. 606 00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:58,799 I remember when she cut her hair. 607 00:29:58,842 --> 00:30:01,019 He was very unhappy about it. 608 00:30:02,368 --> 00:30:04,892 Yeah, his world. 609 00:30:04,935 --> 00:30:07,329 Hef would be pretty abrasive 610 00:30:07,373 --> 00:30:09,201 in the way he said things to Holly. 611 00:30:10,550 --> 00:30:11,918 She came down with red lipstick one time 612 00:30:11,942 --> 00:30:13,466 and he like flipped out 613 00:30:13,509 --> 00:30:15,096 and said he hated red lipstick on girls, 614 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,078 needed to take it off right away, 615 00:30:17,122 --> 00:30:19,341 even though other people could wear red lipstick 616 00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:21,735 and it didn't seem to bother him. 617 00:30:21,778 --> 00:30:25,347 I could definitely see that she was getting depressed and sad 618 00:30:25,391 --> 00:30:27,480 and her demeanor was starting to change. 619 00:30:27,523 --> 00:30:32,180 I felt like I was just in this cycle of gross things, 620 00:30:32,224 --> 00:30:34,400 and I didn't know what to do. 621 00:30:38,273 --> 00:30:41,929 You know, over the years, I knew a lot of girlfriends. 622 00:30:41,972 --> 00:30:46,455 You know who's there for Hef and who's there just because 623 00:30:46,499 --> 00:30:49,458 they want a place to stay and a little money every week. 624 00:30:49,502 --> 00:30:51,112 And, you know, you just get to a point 625 00:30:51,156 --> 00:30:52,853 where you know who's who. 626 00:30:52,896 --> 00:30:55,464 And what's funny with Holly, 627 00:30:55,508 --> 00:30:59,599 she never let on if she was unhappy. 628 00:30:59,642 --> 00:31:01,688 You're in a relationship with Hugh Hefner 629 00:31:01,731 --> 00:31:03,124 inside the Playboy Mansion. 630 00:31:03,168 --> 00:31:05,344 You signed up for that journey, 631 00:31:05,387 --> 00:31:08,216 and you knew you signed up for that journey. 632 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:13,091 If you're not happy, pack up your stuff and go. 633 00:31:13,134 --> 00:31:16,181 Like you could have walked out the door any time. 634 00:31:19,009 --> 00:31:21,708 His friends were always so supportive 635 00:31:21,751 --> 00:31:24,319 and just speaking so highly of him. 636 00:31:24,363 --> 00:31:27,105 But that's the only side of him they ever saw. 637 00:31:27,148 --> 00:31:29,890 They had no idea what was going on behind closed doors 638 00:31:29,933 --> 00:31:31,805 and how the women were treated. 639 00:31:33,807 --> 00:31:36,810 When I lived at the Mansion, I was afraid to leave. 640 00:31:36,853 --> 00:31:38,333 Something that was always lingering 641 00:31:38,377 --> 00:31:40,161 in the back of my mind, I think, 642 00:31:40,205 --> 00:31:43,208 since the very beginning was that if I left, 643 00:31:43,251 --> 00:31:45,079 there was just this mountain of revenge porn 644 00:31:45,123 --> 00:31:48,169 just waiting to come out. 645 00:31:48,213 --> 00:31:50,563 When you would go out with Hef, 646 00:31:50,606 --> 00:31:53,305 he's taking all kinds of naked pictures of these women 647 00:31:53,348 --> 00:31:55,437 when we're wasted out of our minds. 648 00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:57,222 And he would print out, like, 649 00:31:57,265 --> 00:31:59,311 eight copies for him and all the women. 650 00:31:59,354 --> 00:32:02,401 You would pass them around, and it's just gross. 651 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,579 I drank pretty heavily every night we went out. 652 00:32:06,622 --> 00:32:08,842 It was my way of coping with the situation 653 00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:10,757 after we got back home. 654 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,846 The other girlfriends would always try 655 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:14,935 and bring other girls home from nightclubs 656 00:32:14,978 --> 00:32:17,024 and get other girls to come upstairs. 657 00:32:17,067 --> 00:32:19,374 And I wasn't into that. 658 00:32:19,418 --> 00:32:23,422 The drama between me and the other women became so bad. 659 00:32:23,465 --> 00:32:25,946 Like, imagine having sex with somebody 660 00:32:25,989 --> 00:32:28,514 in a room full of women who all hate you 661 00:32:28,557 --> 00:32:31,430 and you know they're all talking about you. 662 00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:34,955 And there was a point where I just felt really low. 663 00:32:34,998 --> 00:32:37,871 Like, I didn't feel like I had any options. 664 00:32:40,308 --> 00:32:43,964 I remember there was a point in time a couple years in, 665 00:32:44,007 --> 00:32:45,618 after we had gone out 666 00:32:45,661 --> 00:32:47,663 and after we'd all been in the bedroom, 667 00:32:47,707 --> 00:32:49,230 everybody's leaving and walking out, 668 00:32:49,274 --> 00:32:51,232 and I was in the bathtub, 669 00:32:51,276 --> 00:32:53,539 and I just wanted to drown myself. 670 00:32:57,282 --> 00:33:01,503 I just felt like I was in this cycle of misery. 671 00:33:04,114 --> 00:33:06,160 And, you know, those feelings would never last long. 672 00:33:06,204 --> 00:33:07,683 But you have those moments like, 673 00:33:07,727 --> 00:33:09,729 "What did I gain from this experience?" 674 00:33:09,772 --> 00:33:11,600 You know? I knew there would be something. 675 00:33:11,644 --> 00:33:13,907 I always had that faith that there would be something 676 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:15,822 that would make it worth it. 677 00:33:22,785 --> 00:33:25,266 These are so sexy. I love 'em. 678 00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:27,660 Yeah, I think you got a lotta good stuff. 679 00:33:27,703 --> 00:33:31,098 The first season of "Girls Next Door" came out in 2005, 680 00:33:31,141 --> 00:33:34,057 and it wasn't a perfect experience by any means, 681 00:33:34,101 --> 00:33:36,451 but it totally saved my life. 682 00:33:36,495 --> 00:33:38,758 Come on, honey. Jump in. 683 00:33:40,063 --> 00:33:42,370 "The Girls Next Door" happened at a time 684 00:33:42,414 --> 00:33:44,764 when Playboy had lost its feet. 685 00:33:44,807 --> 00:33:47,157 The Internet, celebrity culture, 686 00:33:47,201 --> 00:33:49,899 all these things... It was like an earthquake 687 00:33:49,943 --> 00:33:51,640 and Hef was trying to figure out, 688 00:33:51,684 --> 00:33:53,729 "Well, how do we stay relevant?" 689 00:33:53,773 --> 00:33:56,863 Hef's documentarian friend 690 00:33:56,906 --> 00:33:59,953 did all kinds of personality interviews with everybody, 691 00:33:59,996 --> 00:34:02,129 including us three girls. 692 00:34:02,172 --> 00:34:04,827 Here we go! Nice. 693 00:34:04,871 --> 00:34:08,309 And someone at E! Said, "That's my show. 694 00:34:08,353 --> 00:34:09,745 I wanna see the Mansion 695 00:34:09,789 --> 00:34:11,791 through the eyes of those three girls." 696 00:34:13,096 --> 00:34:14,465 "The Girls Next Door" show did a lot 697 00:34:14,489 --> 00:34:16,056 for the Playboy brand. 698 00:34:16,099 --> 00:34:17,512 We knew there would be some interest 699 00:34:17,536 --> 00:34:19,668 because it was the Playboy Mansion. 700 00:34:19,712 --> 00:34:21,453 What I did not anticipate 701 00:34:21,496 --> 00:34:22,952 was how hugely popular it would become 702 00:34:22,976 --> 00:34:25,544 and particularly how hugely popular with young women. 703 00:34:28,982 --> 00:34:31,114 The show gave me confidence. 704 00:34:31,158 --> 00:34:32,986 It gave me a sense of purpose. 705 00:34:33,029 --> 00:34:36,859 The contrast between like the first 3 years I lived there 706 00:34:36,903 --> 00:34:39,732 and like the last 3 1/2 years, it was... it was night and day. 707 00:34:39,775 --> 00:34:42,648 I can see myself getting my self-esteem back. 708 00:34:44,084 --> 00:34:46,782 I had a job at the Playboy Studio for the show, 709 00:34:46,826 --> 00:34:48,871 and I ended up really loving it. 710 00:34:48,915 --> 00:34:51,396 I seemed like I'm on my way to being a little more normal, 711 00:34:51,439 --> 00:34:53,659 like a little more of a functional human. 712 00:34:55,487 --> 00:34:57,402 It felt great to be able to make the show. 713 00:34:57,445 --> 00:35:00,100 It really was a lot of fun. 714 00:35:00,143 --> 00:35:01,928 I was excited when I finally got a chance 715 00:35:01,971 --> 00:35:03,843 to be in the magazine. 716 00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:07,890 But we weren't paid for the first order of episodes 717 00:35:07,934 --> 00:35:10,328 for "The Girls Next Door." 718 00:35:10,371 --> 00:35:11,633 They made it very clear to us 719 00:35:11,677 --> 00:35:14,244 that if we didn't wanna do it, 720 00:35:14,288 --> 00:35:15,985 there would be a million girls 721 00:35:16,029 --> 00:35:17,813 that would wanna take our place. 722 00:35:17,857 --> 00:35:19,815 Eventually, we did get paid. 723 00:35:19,859 --> 00:35:23,036 But we were told one day that we needed to sign contracts 724 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,168 and we needed to sign them that day 725 00:35:25,212 --> 00:35:27,127 or E! wasn't going to renew the show, 726 00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:28,868 which I just didn't want to sign a contract 727 00:35:28,911 --> 00:35:30,478 that, in essence, was signing a contract 728 00:35:30,522 --> 00:35:32,306 to be in a relationship, since the show 729 00:35:32,350 --> 00:35:34,830 was about three girls he was dating. 730 00:35:34,874 --> 00:35:37,006 That felt very prostitute-ish to me. 731 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,401 I was in the shower, and all of a sudden, 732 00:35:40,445 --> 00:35:41,924 Hef is standing there, 733 00:35:41,968 --> 00:35:43,709 and he opens up the shower door, 734 00:35:43,752 --> 00:35:45,339 and he's like, "Why aren't you signing this contract?! 735 00:35:45,363 --> 00:35:46,683 I need you to sign this contract!" 736 00:35:48,017 --> 00:35:49,802 So we all signed it. 737 00:35:49,845 --> 00:35:53,414 But I consider that signing under duress. 738 00:35:53,458 --> 00:35:56,809 I signed the contract, crying and soaking wet. 739 00:35:59,855 --> 00:36:00,855 Mm-hmm. 740 00:36:02,771 --> 00:36:05,426 I always find the perfect card. 741 00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:08,690 "Still the one I love to catch myself dreaming about. 742 00:36:08,734 --> 00:36:12,607 "Still the one I love to talk things over with. 743 00:36:12,651 --> 00:36:13,826 Still the one..." 744 00:36:13,869 --> 00:36:15,784 Huh? You don't want me to read it? 745 00:36:15,828 --> 00:36:18,396 - No. - Oh... aw! 746 00:36:21,921 --> 00:36:24,053 Oh, no, I was embarrassed and stressed. 747 00:36:24,097 --> 00:36:26,404 Like, he's reading this card aloud that I got him, 748 00:36:26,447 --> 00:36:28,841 and I just feel stupid 749 00:36:28,884 --> 00:36:31,147 because, like, what even is this? 750 00:36:31,191 --> 00:36:34,107 Like I'm supposed to be filming like this romantic scene, 751 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:36,283 but he's, like, dating other people. 752 00:36:38,677 --> 00:36:41,549 The show was doing a lot for me both for my self-esteem 753 00:36:41,593 --> 00:36:43,159 and just as far as other opportunities 754 00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:44,639 that would come to be later. 755 00:36:44,683 --> 00:36:46,293 But I wasn't really seeing that. 756 00:36:46,336 --> 00:36:50,776 I still felt like I was very stuck in the same situation. 757 00:36:50,819 --> 00:36:54,040 Hef was definitely very needy of Holly's time, 758 00:36:54,083 --> 00:36:56,738 and he always wanted her next to him. 759 00:36:58,087 --> 00:36:59,891 For instance, I remember we went to this event 760 00:36:59,915 --> 00:37:01,395 on the "Queen Mary." 761 00:37:01,439 --> 00:37:03,136 We were filming "Girls Next Door." 762 00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:05,965 We got Hef to spend the night on the "Queen Mary," 763 00:37:06,008 --> 00:37:07,445 and we were so excited. 764 00:37:07,488 --> 00:37:09,142 And we were gonna go run around the ship 765 00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:11,449 in our pajamas, and so we were like, 766 00:37:11,492 --> 00:37:13,451 "Oh, Holly, you have to come with us." 767 00:37:13,494 --> 00:37:15,627 And he told her no, she couldn't go 768 00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:17,324 and like grabbed her hair. 769 00:37:17,367 --> 00:37:19,084 She was like leaning down, and he like pulled her hair 770 00:37:19,108 --> 00:37:21,197 was like, "No. You're not going." 771 00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:22,851 She needed to be there with him, 772 00:37:22,895 --> 00:37:25,288 otherwise, he would have been alone in his room. 773 00:37:25,332 --> 00:37:27,465 And that wouldn't have been okay with him. 774 00:37:30,424 --> 00:37:34,559 In 2008, my last year there, the other girls were leaving. 775 00:37:34,602 --> 00:37:37,083 It looked like it was just going to be me. 776 00:37:37,126 --> 00:37:38,476 I finally thought I had got 777 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:40,173 what I wanted out of this situation 778 00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:44,264 and was finally like in this committed relationship. 779 00:37:44,307 --> 00:37:47,746 But during that time period, he started 780 00:37:47,963 --> 00:37:49,835 getting even meaner. 781 00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:52,814 One day, I had all these messages from Holly 782 00:37:52,838 --> 00:37:55,014 that her and Hef had an altercation 783 00:37:55,057 --> 00:37:58,147 downstairs during dinner, and she got up to walk away 784 00:37:58,191 --> 00:38:02,630 and he said, "Quit being such a bitch." 785 00:38:02,674 --> 00:38:06,025 But not bitch. The C word. Which I hate that word. 786 00:38:06,068 --> 00:38:08,418 So I don't even wanna say it. Sounds so ugly. 787 00:38:08,462 --> 00:38:11,596 And that's it. She was done. 788 00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:14,729 At that point, there were no women to pit me against. 789 00:38:14,773 --> 00:38:16,731 There was none of that left. 790 00:38:16,775 --> 00:38:19,125 And that's when I had the realization and I was like, 791 00:38:19,168 --> 00:38:21,780 "Whoa, he's been the problem the whole time." 792 00:38:24,086 --> 00:38:27,089 I had been locked into the mentality of the Mansion 793 00:38:27,133 --> 00:38:28,613 and had felt like 794 00:38:28,656 --> 00:38:31,572 there's no other future for me outside. 795 00:38:31,616 --> 00:38:33,835 But I finally saw him for who he was, 796 00:38:33,879 --> 00:38:36,446 and I had to go. 797 00:38:36,490 --> 00:38:39,624 I just felt it so strongly that I had to leave. 798 00:38:57,424 --> 00:39:01,907 The time at Playboy really caused some damage. 799 00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:05,432 I've had different types of therapy and stuff since I left. 800 00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:10,176 Other than some of the animals in the zoo, 801 00:39:10,219 --> 00:39:13,353 I can't really think of anything I miss. 802 00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:18,053 When I decided to leave, it was pretty sudden. 803 00:39:18,097 --> 00:39:20,621 So I wouldn't say it was so much that I had a plan. 804 00:39:20,665 --> 00:39:22,449 I just had more to fall back on. 805 00:39:22,492 --> 00:39:24,669 Like I'd been really careful with my money 806 00:39:24,712 --> 00:39:26,584 and making investments 807 00:39:26,627 --> 00:39:29,282 And I knew that there was at least a fan base 808 00:39:29,325 --> 00:39:30,805 for "The Girls Next Door." 809 00:39:30,849 --> 00:39:33,373 So maybe I could turn that into something. 810 00:39:34,853 --> 00:39:39,379 And it worked out really well. I did my own TV show. 811 00:39:39,422 --> 00:39:41,033 I'm out on my own in Las Vegas. 812 00:39:41,076 --> 00:39:43,035 I star in a really awesome burlesque show 813 00:39:43,078 --> 00:39:45,777 called "Peepshow" at Planet Hollywood, 814 00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:47,169 had kids, got married, 815 00:39:47,213 --> 00:39:51,652 basically did everything I wanted to do. 816 00:39:51,696 --> 00:39:54,873 But every single day of my life, 817 00:39:54,916 --> 00:39:56,439 I would have a stranger approach me 818 00:39:56,483 --> 00:39:57,963 and ask, "How's Hef?" 819 00:39:58,006 --> 00:40:00,618 And I would always say, "Oh, he's good. He's great." 820 00:40:00,661 --> 00:40:03,664 I really started to feel terrible about it 821 00:40:03,708 --> 00:40:05,100 and like I was living a lie. 822 00:40:05,144 --> 00:40:07,494 And after my book came out, 823 00:40:07,537 --> 00:40:11,063 no one ever came up to me again and asked how's Hef? 824 00:40:11,106 --> 00:40:13,413 My book wasn't motivated by money at all. 825 00:40:13,456 --> 00:40:15,589 It wasn't motivated by revenge. 826 00:40:15,633 --> 00:40:17,765 I knew he was in a place 827 00:40:17,809 --> 00:40:20,159 where he didn't really answer to anyone. 828 00:40:20,202 --> 00:40:23,249 He wasn't necessarily cancelable, so to speak. 829 00:40:23,292 --> 00:40:25,077 It was strictly for me 830 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,167 so I wouldn't feel bound to be living this lie 831 00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:31,213 where I constantly have to say things were great 832 00:40:31,257 --> 00:40:32,998 when I was there when they weren't. 833 00:40:37,785 --> 00:40:40,440 What I love about my book 834 00:40:40,483 --> 00:40:43,182 is I feel some people are finding it 835 00:40:43,225 --> 00:40:46,272 and they read it and they recognize parallel situations 836 00:40:46,315 --> 00:40:47,752 in emotionally abusive relationships 837 00:40:47,795 --> 00:40:49,188 that they might be in. 838 00:40:49,231 --> 00:40:51,016 I've heard a lot of feedback like that. 839 00:40:51,059 --> 00:40:54,889 And I love it that people are talking about abuses of power 840 00:40:54,933 --> 00:40:57,936 and imbalances in relationships. 841 00:40:57,979 --> 00:41:00,678 And I hope that helps some people. 842 00:41:01,896 --> 00:41:04,682 We are currently in an era 843 00:41:04,725 --> 00:41:07,032 where we're breaking down that wall of misogyny. 844 00:41:07,075 --> 00:41:11,297 Hef was able to control women 845 00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:15,562 under the disguise of his money and power. 846 00:41:15,605 --> 00:41:16,868 Yeah, for sure. 847 00:41:17,825 --> 00:41:20,480 Holly Madison got money, got fame, 848 00:41:20,523 --> 00:41:22,874 got everything she wanted. 849 00:41:22,917 --> 00:41:26,225 So I'm worried that Holly will just cause a lot of eyerolling 850 00:41:26,268 --> 00:41:28,401 and therefore people won't really take this seriously. 851 00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:32,187 When Holly was his girlfriend, 852 00:41:32,231 --> 00:41:34,059 he was old by then. 853 00:41:34,102 --> 00:41:37,584 Hef was a lot younger when I started dating him. 854 00:41:37,627 --> 00:41:41,631 My experiences with him got pretty scary at times. 855 00:41:41,675 --> 00:41:43,764 We love you, Hef! 856 00:41:43,808 --> 00:41:46,724 Didn't matter how many people you brought in... 857 00:41:46,767 --> 00:41:48,682 It would only satisfy him for the moment 858 00:41:48,726 --> 00:41:50,858 and then he'd have to find something bigger, 859 00:41:50,902 --> 00:41:52,991 better, naughtier. 860 00:41:53,034 --> 00:41:54,775 He was like a vampire. 861 00:41:54,819 --> 00:41:58,518 He sucked the life out of all these young girls for decades. 862 00:41:58,561 --> 00:42:00,999 If those rocks could talk, the tales they would tell. 863 00:42:02,609 --> 00:42:05,003 I know some really deep dark secrets. 864 00:42:05,046 --> 00:42:06,961 I can't give this up. 865 00:42:07,005 --> 00:42:10,269 And now we're speaking up. It's all gonna come out. 866 00:42:50,004 --> 00:42:52,877 I think everybody had that desire to be a Playboy Bunny. 867 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,922 There was a style 868 00:42:54,966 --> 00:42:56,968 that the Playboy Bunnies had. 869 00:42:57,011 --> 00:42:59,666 When you put on that costume, 870 00:42:59,709 --> 00:43:01,973 you thought you were protected. 871 00:43:02,016 --> 00:43:04,279 But Bunnies were easy prey. 872 00:43:04,323 --> 00:43:09,241 Everything wasn't lights, camera, action, happy. 873 00:43:09,284 --> 00:43:13,680 I think about those girls that were muffled, discarded. 874 00:43:13,723 --> 00:43:16,291 There were many young women that were assaulted, 875 00:43:16,335 --> 00:43:17,727 that were silenced. 876 00:43:17,771 --> 00:43:19,381 That's how it worked with Playboy. 877 00:43:19,425 --> 00:43:21,775 You open your mouth, you're outta here. 878 00:43:24,775 --> 00:43:28,775 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 71784

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