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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,674 --> 00:00:08,474 Take one. Mark. 2 00:00:09,977 --> 00:00:11,143 We're ready. 3 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:14,446 All right. We ready to roll again? 4 00:00:14,548 --> 00:00:16,315 How's that? Good. 5 00:00:16,417 --> 00:00:18,050 I just wanted to make a difference, you know? 6 00:00:18,152 --> 00:00:20,586 I mean, I'm not doing this for 15 minutes of fame. 7 00:00:20,688 --> 00:00:22,187 I mean, who'd want to throw themselves 8 00:00:22,289 --> 00:00:23,856 under the train for that? 9 00:00:23,958 --> 00:00:28,293 It's i just want it to change for women and young girls 10 00:00:28,396 --> 00:00:30,462 to think twice about what they're doing. 11 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:35,167 'Cause there's always gonna be a guy like Hef 12 00:00:35,269 --> 00:00:37,336 in the--in the wings. 13 00:00:37,438 --> 00:00:39,671 Some of these girls 14 00:00:39,774 --> 00:00:43,509 don't want to bring up those memories. 15 00:00:43,611 --> 00:00:44,810 You know, there's a lot 16 00:00:44,912 --> 00:00:46,745 that don't want to even talk about it. 17 00:00:50,451 --> 00:00:52,017 Ready? 18 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:53,619 No. No? 19 00:00:53,721 --> 00:00:56,789 Okay. Okay. 20 00:00:56,891 --> 00:00:58,057 All right. 21 00:00:58,159 --> 00:00:59,725 Are you ready? 22 00:00:59,827 --> 00:01:02,194 I'm ready. 23 00:01:02,296 --> 00:01:05,364 I don't think we know 24 00:01:05,466 --> 00:01:07,966 what Hugh Hefner's legacy is yet, ultimately. 25 00:01:08,069 --> 00:01:11,603 I don't think the dust has even settled. 26 00:01:14,842 --> 00:01:16,575 We have some breaking news for you tonight. 27 00:01:16,677 --> 00:01:19,311 Playboy founder Hugh Hefner has died at the age of 91. 28 00:01:19,413 --> 00:01:21,013 Hefner changed america when he introduced 29 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:23,615 "playboy" magazine back in 1953. 30 00:01:23,717 --> 00:01:25,784 He changed the magazine culture. 31 00:01:25,886 --> 00:01:27,920 He changed the American sex culture, if you will. 32 00:01:28,022 --> 00:01:29,288 But that came with some controversy. 33 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:31,723 Hefner's legacy is very confusing 34 00:01:31,826 --> 00:01:36,161 because he sold women a very seductive package 35 00:01:36,263 --> 00:01:37,930 about sexual freedom 36 00:01:38,032 --> 00:01:40,766 and what that means in our culture. 37 00:01:40,868 --> 00:01:43,635 And yet, there's a lot of hypocrisy around that. 38 00:01:45,339 --> 00:01:48,674 He's like a cipher. You can make him the devil. 39 00:01:48,776 --> 00:01:50,175 You can make him 40 00:01:50,277 --> 00:01:52,144 one of the most important Americans who ever lived. 41 00:01:52,246 --> 00:01:54,947 You can say he celebrated women. 42 00:01:55,049 --> 00:01:56,949 You can say he was a terrible sexist. 43 00:01:57,051 --> 00:01:59,184 He is whatever you want him to be. 44 00:01:59,286 --> 00:02:02,988 I don't think Hefner was a super moral individual. 45 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:05,657 Hugh Hefner was a transactional man. 46 00:02:05,759 --> 00:02:07,426 He was a businessman. 47 00:02:07,528 --> 00:02:10,395 I think he--i think he was a monster. 48 00:02:10,498 --> 00:02:14,600 I could look at him, and I saw the devil. 49 00:02:18,772 --> 00:02:20,606 My name is Hugh Hefner. 50 00:02:20,708 --> 00:02:22,608 I'm editor/publisher of "playboy" magazine. 51 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:24,610 When Hugh Hefner was just 27, 52 00:02:24,712 --> 00:02:26,745 he fashioned himself and "playboy" 53 00:02:26,847 --> 00:02:28,981 as the face of sexual liberation. 54 00:02:29,083 --> 00:02:30,516 "Playboy" is one of the most famous 55 00:02:30,618 --> 00:02:32,484 brand names in the world. 56 00:02:32,586 --> 00:02:34,086 I would like to be remembered as somebody 57 00:02:34,188 --> 00:02:35,821 who played some positive part 58 00:02:35,923 --> 00:02:38,924 in changing the social, sexual values of my time. 59 00:02:40,027 --> 00:02:43,495 I believe that hef pulled one over on the whole world. 60 00:02:44,598 --> 00:02:46,665 The fantasy of "playboy" that he created 61 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:49,968 did not allow for the consent of the women. 62 00:02:51,038 --> 00:02:52,771 When it came to Hefner's buddies, 63 00:02:52,873 --> 00:02:54,907 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 64 00:02:55,009 --> 00:02:56,508 Whatever you got for free. 65 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:58,343 When you get someone that powerful, 66 00:02:58,445 --> 00:03:00,979 anything could happen. Anything. 67 00:03:01,081 --> 00:03:02,514 The people who were really there, 68 00:03:02,616 --> 00:03:04,116 they're the ones who know the real truth. 69 00:03:04,218 --> 00:03:06,752 I want to be a voice for the women 70 00:03:06,854 --> 00:03:08,720 that suffered the most at his hands. 71 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:21,733 I know. Time for breakfast. 72 00:03:26,774 --> 00:03:29,074 Time for breakfast? 73 00:03:30,711 --> 00:03:32,110 Who wants breakfast? 74 00:03:34,682 --> 00:03:36,014 Okay. 75 00:03:36,116 --> 00:03:39,051 My name is Jennifer saginor. 76 00:03:39,153 --> 00:03:41,520 I grew up at the playboy mansion. 77 00:03:42,856 --> 00:03:44,089 Since Hefner's death, 78 00:03:44,191 --> 00:03:47,226 I'm noticing that people that were close to "playboy" 79 00:03:47,328 --> 00:03:48,560 are starting to suddenly go back 80 00:03:48,662 --> 00:03:51,063 and reevaluate their experiences 81 00:03:51,165 --> 00:03:52,631 and they're starting to speak out. 82 00:03:54,802 --> 00:03:57,636 It's taken me a long time to sort of unravel 83 00:03:57,738 --> 00:04:01,240 what I experienced growing up and how it made me feel. 84 00:04:03,344 --> 00:04:06,078 I had a sense of loyalty to this inner sanctum, 85 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:10,015 to this inner circle that I was initiated into very young. 86 00:04:10,117 --> 00:04:13,085 I didn't want to break that loyalty 87 00:04:13,187 --> 00:04:15,554 because I knew there would be serious consequences. 88 00:04:16,190 --> 00:04:17,422 All right. 89 00:04:17,524 --> 00:04:20,025 It was such a weird, up place. 90 00:04:20,127 --> 00:04:23,629 But, I mean, the truth is that growing up there as a kid, 91 00:04:23,731 --> 00:04:26,298 it was magical. 92 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,102 I was six when I went there for the first time. 93 00:04:30,204 --> 00:04:32,738 When I was 11, 94 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:36,508 I basically started living there part time. 95 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:39,144 My father was Hefner's best friend and doctor 96 00:04:39,246 --> 00:04:43,749 for about 40 years and had his own room there as well. 97 00:04:45,019 --> 00:04:48,387 The mansion was like a magical kingdom. 98 00:04:48,489 --> 00:04:51,690 I could have anything I wanted. 99 00:04:51,792 --> 00:04:54,326 I mean, the game room was unbelievable. 100 00:04:54,428 --> 00:04:57,229 You know, I would literally just take as many gumballs 101 00:04:57,331 --> 00:04:59,064 and M & M's as I wanted. 102 00:05:00,668 --> 00:05:02,701 In the morning, the butlers would make my lunch 103 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:06,338 and I would get into hef's limo and go to school. 104 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,742 And there was a zoo on the mansion property. 105 00:05:10,844 --> 00:05:14,246 All the playmates would sort of watch over me. 106 00:05:14,348 --> 00:05:19,017 And these girls became sort of substitute mother figures. 107 00:05:19,119 --> 00:05:21,253 Dorothy stratten used to babysit me. 108 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:24,256 She was playmate of the year. 109 00:05:24,358 --> 00:05:27,392 We used to always, like, play dress up. 110 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:29,661 We used to just go like roller-skating 111 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:32,531 on the tennis court. 112 00:05:32,633 --> 00:05:36,435 So, for me, those connections became everything. 113 00:05:37,905 --> 00:05:42,574 I have so many happy memories of myself with hef. 114 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:44,209 I remember sitting on my father's knee 115 00:05:44,311 --> 00:05:47,279 while he and Hef were playing backgammon. 116 00:05:47,381 --> 00:05:49,614 We would play pinball in the game room 117 00:05:49,717 --> 00:05:52,584 and hef would let me put my thumb on top of his. 118 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:54,086 It just made me feel so special. 119 00:05:54,188 --> 00:05:57,689 Like he was just such a very, like, soft, comforting, 120 00:05:57,791 --> 00:06:01,326 nurturing, sort of, like, you know, paternal figure. 121 00:06:02,262 --> 00:06:04,830 My most special memory is Christmas though. 122 00:06:04,932 --> 00:06:06,932 I just remember like Frank Sinatra 123 00:06:07,034 --> 00:06:09,234 and the music in the background 124 00:06:09,336 --> 00:06:10,702 and the buffet table. 125 00:06:10,804 --> 00:06:13,839 And it was just really a sense of family. 126 00:06:16,043 --> 00:06:21,213 There's something about it that was very free, you know, 127 00:06:21,315 --> 00:06:24,049 and like warm and comforting. 128 00:06:27,654 --> 00:06:30,122 I just don't find that now. 129 00:06:31,892 --> 00:06:35,127 I haven't found that in any point in my life. 130 00:06:41,135 --> 00:06:43,668 I am so thrilled to be in this beautiful house 131 00:06:43,771 --> 00:06:45,504 where you live, the playboy mansion. 132 00:06:45,606 --> 00:06:47,939 Tell me what this house means to you. 133 00:06:48,041 --> 00:06:50,742 Well, first of all, it's home. 134 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:53,412 I was born and raised, as you know, in Chicago 135 00:06:53,514 --> 00:06:55,480 and have a very lovely home there, 136 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:57,849 which was the original playboy mansion. 137 00:06:57,951 --> 00:07:00,152 But in 1971, I got this house. 138 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:04,089 And around '75, I just decided to make the move. 139 00:07:04,191 --> 00:07:05,757 It has been referred to by some friends as shangri la. 140 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:08,693 The rumor is that you don't get older 141 00:07:08,796 --> 00:07:10,862 once you come through the gates. 142 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:15,801 I think all of us who were part of the scene 143 00:07:15,903 --> 00:07:20,071 at the playboy mansion, there was an unwritten rule. 144 00:07:20,174 --> 00:07:21,873 You left your troubles at the gate. 145 00:07:24,411 --> 00:07:27,946 You drive up this driveway and the first thing you see 146 00:07:28,048 --> 00:07:31,550 is this fountain which was like a dolphin... 147 00:07:31,652 --> 00:07:34,085 Being molested by a baby. 148 00:07:34,188 --> 00:07:38,123 And then you pull up to this great gothic house. 149 00:07:38,225 --> 00:07:41,760 There's this big wooden door that creaks open. 150 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:43,628 You know, there were signs about "playmates at play" 151 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:46,731 and also, you know, "careful about the monkeys." 152 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:48,500 I mean, it was just like arriving 153 00:07:48,602 --> 00:07:52,370 in the strangest xanadu. 154 00:07:53,173 --> 00:07:54,473 Every man wanted to be there. 155 00:07:54,575 --> 00:07:56,975 Every woman wanted to be there. 156 00:07:57,077 --> 00:08:00,278 The parties were extravagant. 157 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:02,080 If you open the wrong door, 158 00:08:02,182 --> 00:08:05,684 you're gonna see a whole lot more than you anticipated. 159 00:08:05,786 --> 00:08:09,421 Even in the foliage sometimes. 160 00:08:10,724 --> 00:08:14,426 I mean, the parties, the roller skating, 161 00:08:14,528 --> 00:08:17,062 the tennis matches, volleyball. 162 00:08:17,164 --> 00:08:21,700 There was always something going on that was for fun. 163 00:08:21,802 --> 00:08:23,802 These are the things that people don't understand 164 00:08:23,904 --> 00:08:26,605 about the playboy mansion or about Hugh Hefner. 165 00:08:26,707 --> 00:08:31,243 They don't understand what I call the innocent times. 166 00:08:31,345 --> 00:08:34,346 Oh, my god, I remember that party--that's insane. 167 00:08:34,448 --> 00:08:37,349 These are so fun, these parties. 168 00:08:37,451 --> 00:08:40,452 There was something in the air that made you feel 169 00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:43,588 that nobody was judging you. 170 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:46,825 And many of the women truly enjoyed 171 00:08:46,927 --> 00:08:51,496 not feeling so constricted by our society. 172 00:08:51,598 --> 00:08:54,299 You're free to be whoever you want to be. 173 00:09:01,808 --> 00:09:04,009 Everything was so beautiful. 174 00:09:05,779 --> 00:09:07,879 It was very glamorous. 175 00:09:10,017 --> 00:09:12,884 And it was hef's world, you know? 176 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:16,187 Hefner...created it. 177 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:19,491 He molded it. And he was king. 178 00:09:19,593 --> 00:09:21,793 Much of what playboy's all about, really, 179 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:23,762 is a Disneyland for adults, 180 00:09:23,864 --> 00:09:26,264 a projection of those adolescent dreams 181 00:09:26,366 --> 00:09:28,199 and fantasies that I had in growing up 182 00:09:28,302 --> 00:09:30,735 that I've never really lost. 183 00:09:30,837 --> 00:09:34,139 Hugh Hefner was in his own world. 184 00:09:34,241 --> 00:09:35,807 If you look at the photos, 185 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:38,910 he thought he was the king, the emperor. 186 00:09:39,012 --> 00:09:43,682 We were just servants. Everybody else was invisible. 187 00:09:43,784 --> 00:09:46,651 He didn't want to know our names. 188 00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:50,622 He just gave us directions. We had to memorize them. 189 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:54,893 He drank around 35, 40 pepsis a day. 190 00:09:54,995 --> 00:09:58,363 I had to wrap them in a special red napkin 191 00:09:58,465 --> 00:10:00,665 according to the instructions. 192 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:03,101 He ate mostly M & M's, 193 00:10:03,203 --> 00:10:04,736 2 or 3 pounds a day, 194 00:10:04,838 --> 00:10:07,072 and red licorice. 195 00:10:07,174 --> 00:10:10,375 His condoms were stacked in a certain place 196 00:10:10,477 --> 00:10:11,676 in the headboard. 197 00:10:11,778 --> 00:10:14,479 There were 150 rules. 198 00:10:14,581 --> 00:10:17,148 We had to follow them exactly. 199 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:20,552 We were told, "you cannot talk to the girls. 200 00:10:20,654 --> 00:10:22,887 "You're not their friend. 201 00:10:22,990 --> 00:10:26,658 You work for Mr. Hefner. You don't work for them." 202 00:10:30,864 --> 00:10:33,098 As a child, I looked up to Hefner 203 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,568 because he had this big magic castle 204 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:41,439 and he was larger than life, and he was charming, 205 00:10:41,541 --> 00:10:43,508 and everybody loved him, 206 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:46,411 and he seemed very humble 207 00:10:46,513 --> 00:10:50,548 and was very generous and seemed like, 208 00:10:50,651 --> 00:10:52,517 you know, a really amazing person 209 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:55,020 who deserved these blessings. 210 00:10:57,391 --> 00:11:00,759 Years later, I started to realize 211 00:11:00,861 --> 00:11:02,861 that everyone in this environment 212 00:11:02,963 --> 00:11:06,031 put hef on a pedestal. 213 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:08,299 And it wasn't genuine. 214 00:11:08,402 --> 00:11:11,503 This was all like an illusion. 215 00:11:19,579 --> 00:11:21,980 Everything you heard about Hefner and "playboy" 216 00:11:22,082 --> 00:11:27,085 was exactly what his PR agency wanted you to hear. 217 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:31,189 It was a very calculated misrepresentation of the truth. 218 00:11:31,291 --> 00:11:33,191 Playboy became kind of something more than 219 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:34,726 just a magazine for me. 220 00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:38,963 It really was a projection of a way of life 221 00:11:39,066 --> 00:11:41,566 and, uh, what we now call an alternate lifestyle, 222 00:11:41,668 --> 00:11:42,934 if you will. 223 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:46,171 The playboy philosophy was like a manifesto. 224 00:11:46,273 --> 00:11:50,175 For him, it was always about individual freedom. 225 00:11:50,277 --> 00:11:51,643 "I should be able to say what I want 226 00:11:51,745 --> 00:11:52,944 "as long as I'm not hurting anybody. 227 00:11:53,046 --> 00:11:54,913 "I should be able to sleep with who I want 228 00:11:55,015 --> 00:11:57,048 as long as I'm not hurting anybody." 229 00:11:58,351 --> 00:12:01,519 The blueprint for "playboy" can be traced 230 00:12:01,621 --> 00:12:05,123 to his entire life leading up to that point. 231 00:12:05,225 --> 00:12:07,759 Hef was born during the roaring '20s 232 00:12:07,861 --> 00:12:09,594 and the jazz age. 233 00:12:09,696 --> 00:12:11,196 His parents were strict methodists, 234 00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:15,200 and there wasn't a lot of affection shown in the home. 235 00:12:15,302 --> 00:12:18,169 He came out of the war, got married. 236 00:12:18,271 --> 00:12:20,138 I think you've got to find yourself 237 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,441 before you find your lifelong mate. 238 00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:25,577 And looking around at the repressive society 239 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,346 that existed in america after world war ii, 240 00:12:28,448 --> 00:12:30,348 he felt he had things to say. 241 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:34,119 In 1953, Hugh Hefner was 27 years old, 242 00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:37,055 literally at a card table with a little typewriter. 243 00:12:37,157 --> 00:12:39,090 And he managed to pull together the money 244 00:12:39,192 --> 00:12:40,525 to launch the first edition of "playboy," 245 00:12:40,627 --> 00:12:43,862 which they didn't even put a date on it 246 00:12:43,964 --> 00:12:45,797 because they weren't sure there was gonna be a second edition. 247 00:12:45,899 --> 00:12:47,599 Because they had Marilyn Monroe on the cover 248 00:12:47,701 --> 00:12:49,901 and Marilyn Monroe on the inside, 249 00:12:50,003 --> 00:12:52,771 the first issue sold all 50,000 copies immediately. 250 00:12:52,873 --> 00:12:54,372 By the 1970s, 251 00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:57,675 "playboy" was selling 7 million copies a month. 252 00:12:57,778 --> 00:13:01,479 "Playboy" was classy. It was intoxicating. 253 00:13:01,581 --> 00:13:03,948 There was naked women in there, there was nudity. 254 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:07,218 But also it was brilliant articles. 255 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,990 It was incisive philosophy. It was leading the culture. 256 00:13:12,092 --> 00:13:14,325 I think the search for a new ethical, you know, 257 00:13:14,427 --> 00:13:16,461 set of moral values based on something 258 00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:19,931 other than simply rigid rules set forth 259 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:21,733 many, many centuries ago 260 00:13:21,835 --> 00:13:25,737 is something from which only good can come. 261 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:27,472 In the '50s and '60s, 262 00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:30,308 "playboy" was instrumental in advancing 263 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:32,610 the first amendment and freedom of speech. 264 00:13:32,712 --> 00:13:35,914 And the magazine was able to pursue issues 265 00:13:36,016 --> 00:13:37,882 and social concerns 266 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:41,452 that just weren't being addressed in American society. 267 00:13:41,555 --> 00:13:43,788 Look at civil rights. 268 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:45,623 I knew all along 269 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:47,225 that hef was a champion of civil rights, 270 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,527 one, because I read the magazine, 271 00:13:49,629 --> 00:13:51,362 so I saw some of the people 272 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:53,198 that he had done articles with, 273 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:55,834 including Malcolm X. 274 00:13:55,936 --> 00:13:57,335 Then there were the playboy clubs. 275 00:13:57,437 --> 00:14:00,805 So the first playboy club opened in 1960, 276 00:14:00,907 --> 00:14:03,241 which was, of course, a time of 277 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,243 tremendous racial segregation in this country. 278 00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:10,014 Hef did not believe in segregation. He didn't. 279 00:14:10,116 --> 00:14:12,617 At the playboy clubs, there were black bunnies, 280 00:14:12,719 --> 00:14:14,419 there were black general managers. 281 00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:16,554 This was the way it was. 282 00:14:16,656 --> 00:14:18,690 Hi, and welcome to "playboy's penthouse." 283 00:14:18,792 --> 00:14:20,525 Sammy Davis Jr. will be here in a little while. 284 00:14:20,627 --> 00:14:23,962 "Playboy's penthouse" aired in 1959. 285 00:14:24,064 --> 00:14:26,798 There were very strong Jim Crow laws. 286 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:29,267 Whites were not allowed to mingle with blacks 287 00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:30,902 and vice versa. 288 00:14:31,004 --> 00:14:35,707 And yet this Hugh Hefner had the audacity 289 00:14:35,809 --> 00:14:37,842 to let blacks come on to his television show 290 00:14:37,944 --> 00:14:40,979 and not just sing and be whisked away. 291 00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:42,614 How long have you been singing, Tina? 292 00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:45,717 Well, personally, I've been singing for nine years. 293 00:14:45,819 --> 00:14:49,487 No, he set an egalitarian atmosphere 294 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:52,457 where blacks could come and mingle. 295 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,828 Who else was doing that but Hugh Hefner? 296 00:14:58,164 --> 00:14:59,898 As a child, I definitely felt 297 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,533 that message of equality at the mansion. 298 00:15:02,636 --> 00:15:05,837 There was always an air of acceptance. 299 00:15:05,939 --> 00:15:08,673 Oh, my god. These are like the disco parties 300 00:15:08,775 --> 00:15:09,941 in the foyer, 301 00:15:10,043 --> 00:15:14,379 where I used to watch as a kid on the banister. 302 00:15:14,481 --> 00:15:17,181 When I was around 10 or 11 303 00:15:17,284 --> 00:15:20,451 and I had my own bedroom there, 304 00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:23,788 at night, I would hear loud music, 305 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:29,227 and I would hear everyone down below partying and having fun. 306 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:33,331 I would sneak out my bedroom door and down the hallway 307 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:37,235 and hide behind the banister and look below. 308 00:15:40,373 --> 00:15:43,374 I would see all these playmates 309 00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:45,543 and women dressed in these beautiful gowns 310 00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:47,879 and sparkly outfits. 311 00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:51,616 And I just couldn't wait to be able to be older 312 00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:54,585 and be down there at the parties with them. 313 00:16:02,762 --> 00:16:04,796 I'd always heard from a young age 314 00:16:04,898 --> 00:16:07,598 that hef was someone that was this big, 315 00:16:07,701 --> 00:16:09,567 you know, feminist advocate 316 00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:12,170 and an advocate for women's rights. 317 00:16:12,272 --> 00:16:15,673 I think the primary aims of women's lib, 318 00:16:15,775 --> 00:16:18,943 the part that do not get the publicity 319 00:16:19,045 --> 00:16:20,611 and the TV and newspapers 320 00:16:20,714 --> 00:16:23,081 are things that "playboy" endorses 321 00:16:23,183 --> 00:16:26,718 and has worked for over the years. 322 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:29,988 He used to say, "even nice girls like sex. 323 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:33,257 They're allowed to like sex." 324 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,560 As a little kid, I was buying it that 325 00:16:35,662 --> 00:16:38,696 these women were empowered and walking around naked 326 00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:40,031 and felt good about their bodies 327 00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:41,833 and the feminists simply didn't get it. 328 00:16:41,935 --> 00:16:43,801 Hugh Hefner is my enemy. 329 00:16:45,438 --> 00:16:47,939 With "playboy," there's this entire conflict over, 330 00:16:48,041 --> 00:16:50,241 "are the women expressing themselves freely 331 00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:52,877 or are they being exploited?" 332 00:16:52,979 --> 00:16:57,015 As time went on, I saw some of the inconsistencies. 333 00:16:57,117 --> 00:17:00,084 I saw just all the tremendous hypocrisy. 334 00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:06,190 Mr. Hefner, 335 00:17:06,292 --> 00:17:09,160 you were picketed tonight from women's liberation, 336 00:17:09,262 --> 00:17:10,661 and they say that "playboy" magazine 337 00:17:10,764 --> 00:17:13,598 and this contest distort the role of womanhood. 338 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,099 What's your response to that? 339 00:17:15,201 --> 00:17:17,101 We need more love and more beauty in the world 340 00:17:17,203 --> 00:17:20,038 that already has too much hate and ugliness in it. 341 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:23,674 I was surprised when, in the '70s, 342 00:17:23,777 --> 00:17:25,977 the feminists were really attacking hef. 343 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,912 From the point of view of like Hefner, my father, 344 00:17:28,014 --> 00:17:30,381 and the inner circle of the boys club, 345 00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:32,250 they were feeling as if they were being attacked 346 00:17:32,352 --> 00:17:33,718 for absolutely no reason, 347 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:36,487 that there was a witch hunt going on against them. 348 00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:38,823 There's something wrong when an attractive girl 349 00:17:38,925 --> 00:17:40,792 can make more money as a playboy bunny 350 00:17:40,894 --> 00:17:42,927 or a cover girl than anything else. 351 00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:48,666 "Playboy's" greatest critics throughout its history 352 00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:52,470 have been members of the moral rights. 353 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:55,073 And, you know, what Hugh Hefner would have described 354 00:17:55,175 --> 00:17:56,774 as "radical feminists." 355 00:17:56,876 --> 00:17:59,911 They opposed the objectification of women 356 00:18:00,013 --> 00:18:02,847 that was central to "playboy's" existence. 357 00:18:02,949 --> 00:18:05,483 I'm more in sympathy than perhaps, you know, 358 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:06,617 the girls realize with-- 359 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:07,819 Women. Women. 360 00:18:07,921 --> 00:18:09,153 I'm sorry. Yes, I'm 35. 361 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:10,588 Than the ladies realize. 362 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:13,424 I use girls referring to women of all ages. 363 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:15,993 You should stop. You want to be called a boy? 364 00:18:16,096 --> 00:18:18,196 Would you like to-- oh, I see. Okay. 365 00:18:21,901 --> 00:18:24,902 I'd always felt it was complimentary, but-- 366 00:18:25,004 --> 00:18:26,737 that's because your magazine is an image of women 367 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,040 at an arrested development. 368 00:18:29,142 --> 00:18:31,709 Well, let me-- 369 00:18:31,811 --> 00:18:35,313 on "the dick cavett show," Hefner was there. 370 00:18:35,415 --> 00:18:40,384 And there was a woman, she was very, very angry and saying, 371 00:18:40,487 --> 00:18:42,386 "how could you do this to women? 372 00:18:42,489 --> 00:18:46,457 How could you objectify women in such a demeaning manner?" 373 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:52,597 You know, and he just sat there just as cool as ice. 374 00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:54,799 Hefner was classy. 375 00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:58,536 Hefner was educated and refined. 376 00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:03,007 So for me to align myself with "playboy" magazine, 377 00:19:03,109 --> 00:19:06,077 it was okay. 378 00:19:07,147 --> 00:19:13,484 I was miss January 1973. My photos were gorgeous. 379 00:19:13,586 --> 00:19:17,054 And then I became director of playmate promotions. 380 00:19:18,391 --> 00:19:19,757 At that point in time, 381 00:19:19,859 --> 00:19:22,226 I wasn't interested in marriage. 382 00:19:22,328 --> 00:19:25,029 But I was interested in playboy enterprises, 383 00:19:25,131 --> 00:19:27,999 because women were taking their power. 384 00:19:28,101 --> 00:19:30,601 They were in command of themselves. 385 00:19:30,703 --> 00:19:35,773 So I thought, "well, wow! Wow! That's good to me." 386 00:19:35,875 --> 00:19:38,543 And it went along with the sexual revolution 387 00:19:38,645 --> 00:19:39,877 that was going on. 388 00:19:39,979 --> 00:19:43,347 I had a lot of power, a lot of freedom. 389 00:19:43,449 --> 00:19:45,917 It was freedom, you know? 390 00:19:46,019 --> 00:19:48,886 My bunny name was bunny jaki. 391 00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:54,325 And I started working at playboy in 1967 392 00:19:54,427 --> 00:19:56,827 for 11 1/2 years. 393 00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:59,797 We definitely got paid well. 394 00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:03,234 And I bought a car, and I lived the way I wanted to. 395 00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:09,373 We had more freedom than as a secretary or as a teacher. 396 00:20:09,475 --> 00:20:12,343 It's 1981. I'm in Chicago as the bunny mother. 397 00:20:12,445 --> 00:20:14,612 I had 70 bunnies underneath me. 398 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:17,582 We did a lot of things to help rise these girls up. 399 00:20:17,684 --> 00:20:20,885 And it was exciting to me because I knew 400 00:20:20,987 --> 00:20:23,154 that I could move up the ladder in corporate. 401 00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:26,324 There were oftentimes when I would be interviewed 402 00:20:26,426 --> 00:20:28,292 by a strong feminist. 403 00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:30,494 And she would come at me really hard. 404 00:20:30,597 --> 00:20:32,563 And I would just, "mm-hmm. Yeah." 405 00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:35,766 And I would answer and let them know 406 00:20:35,868 --> 00:20:39,637 that I was definitely in charge of my life 407 00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:41,806 and this was my choice. 408 00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:45,076 Now, of course, it came at a cost. 409 00:20:45,178 --> 00:20:50,047 But at that moment in time, I didn't know about that. 410 00:20:55,088 --> 00:20:57,421 I didn't realize what was going on at the time, 411 00:20:57,523 --> 00:21:01,058 that "playboy" really wasn't about freedom of expression. 412 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,061 This wasn't about, like, female empowerment. 413 00:21:04,163 --> 00:21:06,330 This was something that was much deeper, 414 00:21:06,432 --> 00:21:09,267 that was much more sinister. 415 00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:11,802 At the mansion, back in like the '70s 416 00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:15,740 and the early '80s, it was the women and the men. 417 00:21:15,842 --> 00:21:19,977 The girls weren't allowed to hang out with the men. 418 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:22,947 But I was allowed to sit with them. 419 00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:25,283 And I'd always see the men looking at different 420 00:21:25,385 --> 00:21:30,087 negatives of girls from different shoots. 421 00:21:30,189 --> 00:21:35,059 They would sort of quiz me on how to critique a girl 422 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:37,795 that they would consider up to their standards. 423 00:21:37,897 --> 00:21:41,465 And so I would rattle off, you know, what I knew 424 00:21:41,567 --> 00:21:44,735 that they were looking for, whether it was a size d, 425 00:21:44,837 --> 00:21:47,371 which doctor would do the boob job, 426 00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:49,807 who would do the nose job, 427 00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:52,610 what their entire physique should look like, 428 00:21:52,712 --> 00:21:54,712 and what size everything should be. 429 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:57,715 For sure, it was always size zero. 430 00:21:57,817 --> 00:22:01,852 I was trained how to view women 431 00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:04,522 in the way that they did-- 432 00:22:04,624 --> 00:22:07,291 as commodities. 433 00:22:07,393 --> 00:22:09,226 I mean, my father used to tell me that I should, 434 00:22:09,329 --> 00:22:11,696 you know, I had to watch it 'cause--you know, 435 00:22:11,798 --> 00:22:14,031 'cause I could like gain weight in my hips or-- 436 00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:16,167 he would definitely, like, at a young age, 437 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:20,771 you know, go over our bodies with us, with my sister and I. 438 00:22:20,873 --> 00:22:22,773 That was of course nerve-racking 439 00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:25,076 'cause I don't think either one of us felt like 440 00:22:25,178 --> 00:22:30,081 we measured up to what was considered to be acceptable. 441 00:22:31,417 --> 00:22:34,485 They even pushed me-- I got my own surgery. 442 00:22:36,489 --> 00:22:38,255 15. 443 00:22:38,358 --> 00:22:40,558 It was just awful. 444 00:22:45,231 --> 00:22:46,497 As I got older, 445 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:48,966 I would creep out of my bedroom more and more. 446 00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:50,935 I was just very curious 447 00:22:51,037 --> 00:22:54,038 what was happening in all the bedrooms down the hall. 448 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:57,174 And I would see some of these girls 449 00:22:57,276 --> 00:23:02,313 doing things that I didn't recognize. 450 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:05,716 I would see them naked with men all around them 451 00:23:05,818 --> 00:23:07,985 and I would see them on the floor on all fours 452 00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:10,187 and they were on drugs. 453 00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:13,891 And it--it just really--it scared me. 454 00:23:15,294 --> 00:23:17,428 The men were laughing. 455 00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:22,233 And I just remembered thinking I never want to be 456 00:23:22,335 --> 00:23:26,437 like these girls running around like they're animals. 457 00:23:26,539 --> 00:23:28,606 I just--i never want to be that. 458 00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:32,276 This wasn't about empowerment of women. 459 00:23:32,378 --> 00:23:35,646 It was the breaking down of a woman. 460 00:23:42,955 --> 00:23:45,322 Cody. 461 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:50,461 As a teenager, I started to notice 462 00:23:50,563 --> 00:23:51,762 that all the playmates 463 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:52,963 and Hefner's different girlfriends 464 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:55,366 were very open with their sexuality. 465 00:23:55,468 --> 00:23:59,503 And there was something about it that drew me in. 466 00:23:59,605 --> 00:24:02,940 It was a very open environment 467 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:07,611 of where love and sex had very blurred lines. 468 00:24:07,713 --> 00:24:10,514 So if you love someone, 469 00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:13,517 it was you were supposed to be more intimate with them, 470 00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:15,986 I think, sexually. 471 00:24:16,088 --> 00:24:18,756 You know, hef always would kiss--which many people know, 472 00:24:18,858 --> 00:24:20,558 he would kiss with sort of his mouth open 473 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:24,028 in sort of like a French kiss kind of a way. 474 00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:25,863 And I always thought it was sort of strange 475 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,498 that, you know, someone that was sort of 476 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,100 was like my uncle would kiss like that. 477 00:24:30,203 --> 00:24:31,669 But then my father told me 478 00:24:31,771 --> 00:24:34,405 that that's what people do when they love each other. 479 00:24:34,507 --> 00:24:37,575 I think you're gonna have very moral relationships 480 00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:40,344 with more than one person at the same time 481 00:24:40,446 --> 00:24:42,179 or with a sequence of-- 482 00:24:42,281 --> 00:24:46,450 or continuing series of relationships. 483 00:24:46,552 --> 00:24:48,385 Why was there so many girls? 484 00:24:48,488 --> 00:24:51,188 Hef was the playboy of the western world. 485 00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:52,356 Why should he stop at one 486 00:24:52,458 --> 00:24:56,494 when he could have as many as he did? 487 00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:59,296 He would say, "I want to attract the young ladies 488 00:24:59,398 --> 00:25:02,600 "who want to run with me in my life. 489 00:25:02,702 --> 00:25:05,236 I'm not gonna run with them in their life." 490 00:25:07,607 --> 00:25:10,474 Back in the late '70s, there was always 491 00:25:10,576 --> 00:25:14,111 at least three to four main girlfriends. 492 00:25:14,213 --> 00:25:16,881 There was always one that was the special one. 493 00:25:16,983 --> 00:25:19,717 This is what they called them. 494 00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:22,453 And those other girls 495 00:25:22,555 --> 00:25:25,990 were always wanting to be that special one. 496 00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:27,791 Tell me about the real Hugh Hefner, 497 00:25:27,894 --> 00:25:29,560 the one the rest of us don't know. 498 00:25:29,662 --> 00:25:34,164 He's very sensitive. He's very caring and giving. 499 00:25:34,267 --> 00:25:36,967 When I was 15, I fell in love 500 00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:39,136 with one of Hugh Hefner's main girlfriends. 501 00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:40,804 I'm gonna call her Kendall. 502 00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:46,076 I fell very hard because I was so young. 503 00:25:46,178 --> 00:25:49,013 You know, Jennifer was incredibly infatuated 504 00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:51,949 with, uh, with Mr. Hefner's girlfriend. 505 00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:54,118 I mean, really infatuated with her. 506 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:57,087 She was very sweet, very innocent. 507 00:25:57,189 --> 00:26:01,191 You know, she was innocent. She was 15 or 16 years old. 508 00:26:01,294 --> 00:26:04,495 We, over time, became very close 509 00:26:04,597 --> 00:26:07,298 because she was someone who ran away very young. 510 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,936 And because my father had pulled me away from my mother, 511 00:26:12,038 --> 00:26:16,040 I longed for that affection that only a woman could give. 512 00:26:16,142 --> 00:26:20,578 And Kendall was very affectionate. 513 00:26:22,014 --> 00:26:24,782 I mean, one night, she ordered like daiquiris. 514 00:26:24,884 --> 00:26:28,185 And one thing led to another. 515 00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:32,356 And I think she thought that I had been with a girl before. 516 00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:36,794 It really took away the loneliness at that time. 517 00:26:36,896 --> 00:26:40,097 I served Mr. Hefner's girlfriend 518 00:26:40,199 --> 00:26:42,733 and Jennifer drinks in bed. 519 00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:45,002 I said, "here are your drinks, ladies." 520 00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:46,370 I was very professional. And they said, 521 00:26:46,472 --> 00:26:50,307 "Mitch, you know, you can say hello, it's okay." 522 00:26:50,409 --> 00:26:54,411 And I said, "I'm gonna go back downstairs, ladies. Thank you." 523 00:26:54,513 --> 00:26:57,514 The people that knew knew that Jennifer was underage. 524 00:26:57,617 --> 00:26:59,550 I mean, I wanted to say something to her. 525 00:26:59,652 --> 00:27:02,052 But i held back. 526 00:27:02,154 --> 00:27:04,755 It was something that I didn't--i just didn't push. 527 00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,790 I didn't really think there was anything necessarily wrong 528 00:27:06,892 --> 00:27:09,026 with what I did. 529 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:11,762 You know, from my father and Hefner's point of view, 530 00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:14,832 they really didn't care about my having the affair 531 00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:16,967 with his girlfriend. 532 00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:18,802 He knew about the affair from the beginning. 533 00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:20,471 I mean, there's cameras everywhere. 534 00:27:20,573 --> 00:27:22,072 A lot of the cameras, you didn't even know 535 00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:23,741 they were there, but they were there. 536 00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:26,710 And also security was carrying cameras on their jackets. 537 00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:29,680 So there's eyes everywhere. 538 00:27:29,782 --> 00:27:33,917 When I was 17, I was called to hef's room. 539 00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:37,254 I thought he was gonna confront me about the affair. 540 00:27:37,356 --> 00:27:40,090 I was just--i wanted to see Kendall so badly. 541 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:42,526 And she said the only way we could see each other 542 00:27:42,628 --> 00:27:45,095 is if you come to hef's room, hef said. 543 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,100 One of her friends, who's also a playmate, 544 00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:53,570 walked me to his door. 545 00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:55,406 And then she stopped me and she's like, you know, 546 00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:58,475 "I just want to tell you that you don't have to do anything 547 00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,778 that you don't want to do." 548 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,446 I was like, "what do you mean?" 549 00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:06,550 And then I went in and then hef ordered drinks. 550 00:28:06,652 --> 00:28:09,353 And then we were just sitting there. 551 00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:13,524 And the energy shifted in the room, 552 00:28:13,626 --> 00:28:17,594 and I started feeling uncomfortable. 553 00:28:17,697 --> 00:28:21,365 I was still immature emotionally, 554 00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:25,169 even though I'd been exposed to so many things. 555 00:28:25,271 --> 00:28:27,938 So when I went in the room, 556 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,340 and he and Kendall were on the bed. 557 00:28:30,443 --> 00:28:32,609 And I just thought it was fun, at first. 558 00:28:32,712 --> 00:28:37,381 I didn't really realize what was about to happen. 559 00:28:37,483 --> 00:28:41,652 I felt like, in that moment, Hefner crossed a boundary 560 00:28:41,754 --> 00:28:43,320 because he'd always looked at me 561 00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:46,223 and treated me like I was his daughter. 562 00:28:46,325 --> 00:28:50,994 And here I was in his room 563 00:28:51,097 --> 00:28:54,164 feeling this uncomfortable energy 564 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:58,135 that I was no longer being looked at as a daughter. 565 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,574 And then Kendall started crying. 566 00:29:03,676 --> 00:29:06,343 And then she ran into the bathroom. 567 00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:10,481 And then he said, "well, now we're not gonna do anything 568 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,751 'cause she's crying or whatever." 569 00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,554 And I was like, "yeah." And my dad's down the hall. 570 00:29:17,656 --> 00:29:20,357 And he's like, you know, "we're all family here." 571 00:29:20,459 --> 00:29:23,327 And then I left and went back to my room. 572 00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:26,463 I don't think that she knew 573 00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:27,965 what was really going on up there 574 00:29:28,067 --> 00:29:30,734 until she actually experienced being up there. 575 00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:32,336 And she got a--she got, 576 00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:34,505 you know, a crash course in doing that. 577 00:29:34,607 --> 00:29:38,142 We're at the playboy mansion, this is--this is--this is real, 578 00:29:38,244 --> 00:29:40,410 this is some real. 579 00:29:48,554 --> 00:29:50,921 All right, good boy. 580 00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,693 Growing up, it's like I never wanted to go 581 00:29:56,796 --> 00:30:02,065 against what my father or hef or the environment taught me 582 00:30:02,168 --> 00:30:07,871 was actually something that was normal, I guess. 583 00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:10,174 When I got to college 584 00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:13,777 and I started to integrate into society, 585 00:30:13,879 --> 00:30:16,280 I didn't understand how these rules 586 00:30:16,382 --> 00:30:18,382 that I had learned from a very young age 587 00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,751 had nothing to do with the outside world. 588 00:30:20,853 --> 00:30:23,687 You know, I didn't really talk about it a lot with people. 589 00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:28,992 So writing it down was a way for me to express myself. 590 00:30:29,094 --> 00:30:30,460 Joining me now is Jennifer saginor. 591 00:30:30,563 --> 00:30:32,362 She grew up inside the playboy mansion 592 00:30:32,464 --> 00:30:34,731 and is the author of the book "playground." 593 00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,534 "Playground" was something that I wrote about 594 00:30:37,636 --> 00:30:40,671 to sort of work out out my own issues 595 00:30:40,773 --> 00:30:44,908 of what I had seen and experienced. 596 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:49,813 I was always taught that it was okay to speak your mind. 597 00:30:51,417 --> 00:30:56,587 Yet I also knew that a certain level of loyalty 598 00:30:56,689 --> 00:31:00,924 went along with belonging into this inner circle. 599 00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:03,660 There was some level of fear 600 00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:05,162 that there would be repercussions 601 00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:07,531 for breaking that loyalty. 602 00:31:07,633 --> 00:31:11,468 And so I went out of my way to betray hef 603 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:14,771 in a very, very positive light, 604 00:31:14,874 --> 00:31:16,840 as someone who was a father figure, 605 00:31:16,942 --> 00:31:20,677 who I did look up to for many, many years. 606 00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:23,180 When my book came out, 607 00:31:23,282 --> 00:31:26,450 I did a couple of interviews in Los Angeles. 608 00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:28,518 And hef called me and he said, 609 00:31:28,621 --> 00:31:31,722 "congratulations, I heard that you wrote a book, 610 00:31:31,824 --> 00:31:33,357 and I'm so proud of you." 611 00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:35,192 He said, "but listen, if you could just do me a favor 612 00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:37,294 and not tell anybody 613 00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:40,597 that I knew about your affair with Kendall." 614 00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:42,266 He's like, "I would just really appreciate 615 00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:43,867 if we just kept that between us." 616 00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:45,535 He didn't want people knowing 617 00:31:45,638 --> 00:31:49,139 that a minor had an affair on his property. 618 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:53,243 And I was like, "sure. You know, no problem." 619 00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:55,112 He said, "could you fax over a list 620 00:31:55,214 --> 00:31:59,983 of your next interviews?" And I said, "sure. Of course." 621 00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:04,121 I went to New York, and then literally, in succession, 622 00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:06,623 the interviews were canceled, like, one by one. 623 00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:09,693 It was like something out of a mafia movie. 624 00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,531 Well, I know what happened. 625 00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:18,802 I know that he--that he had someone in his office call 626 00:32:18,904 --> 00:32:23,273 and contact those people and stop those interviews. 627 00:32:27,313 --> 00:32:28,979 I was really crushed 628 00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:34,751 'cause I no longer could, you know, speak my truth. 629 00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:37,254 It was just so hypocritical 630 00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:39,523 because freedom of speech and the first amendment 631 00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:41,725 had been something that he was an advocate for 632 00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,528 his entire adult life. 633 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,130 And that made me, you know, 634 00:32:47,232 --> 00:32:49,132 question who I thought my father was 635 00:32:49,234 --> 00:32:50,901 and who I thought hef was. 636 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:55,038 And I really thought these men were larger than life. 637 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,374 They knew everybody, they were so well connected, 638 00:32:57,476 --> 00:33:02,079 and just, you know, really just enlightened beings. 639 00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:06,083 And I realized that this was something much bigger 640 00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:12,289 that he didn't want people to know what was really going on. 641 00:33:14,259 --> 00:33:16,593 When I was an editorial assistant 642 00:33:16,695 --> 00:33:18,595 working for the articles editor, 643 00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:21,732 different books would get vetted by him. 644 00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:24,067 He was looking for things in those books 645 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:28,772 that would hurt Hefner's reputation. 646 00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:31,074 I read everything that came through. 647 00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,377 There's some things that I read about 648 00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:36,580 that never saw the light of day. 649 00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:38,382 Over time, I realized 650 00:33:38,484 --> 00:33:41,852 I was just one of the many people who were silenced. 651 00:33:43,422 --> 00:33:48,425 I worked in six clubs. Every club had a scandal. 652 00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:50,894 At least one if not many more. 653 00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:55,999 I had to keep my mouth closed if I wanted to keep my job. 654 00:33:56,101 --> 00:33:58,301 There's a lot of collateral damage 655 00:33:58,404 --> 00:34:01,938 within the playboy organization--a lot. 656 00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:03,907 And the majority of the collateral damage 657 00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:07,377 is towards women. 658 00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:12,482 Things were done to shush people up, 659 00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,285 to get them out of the way. 660 00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:19,222 He wasn't worried about the local L.A. cops. 661 00:34:19,324 --> 00:34:22,993 Many of these police worked for him as security guards. 662 00:34:23,095 --> 00:34:24,961 Most of the security officers that were hired 663 00:34:25,064 --> 00:34:27,097 were ex-cops. 664 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,465 Some of them were L.A. cops. 665 00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:29,866 Some of them were Beverly Hills cops. 666 00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:31,368 Some of them were detectives. 667 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,570 So it was very--it was very serious. 668 00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:36,306 You gotta protect the mansion, you gotta protect, you know, 669 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,341 especially, number one, Mr. Hefner. 670 00:34:40,012 --> 00:34:43,046 A lot of things were just taken care of in his world. 671 00:34:43,148 --> 00:34:45,749 The thing is he had tapes on everybody. 672 00:34:45,851 --> 00:34:49,386 I have extensive electronic equipment in the house, 673 00:34:49,488 --> 00:34:51,288 which includes videotape equipment. 674 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,824 And that does include cameras so that 675 00:34:53,926 --> 00:34:56,226 if I want to shoot pictures of anything, I can, yes. 676 00:34:56,328 --> 00:34:58,595 Do you? Do I shoot pictures? 677 00:34:58,697 --> 00:35:01,698 I mean, what is it doing in your bedroom? 678 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,366 Sometimes things happen in the bedroom 679 00:35:03,469 --> 00:35:05,602 that I'd like to take-- you're being coy. 680 00:35:05,704 --> 00:35:09,806 Prim, I might add. We're on television. 681 00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:13,844 Every room, even outside on the properties, 682 00:35:13,946 --> 00:35:19,149 every place had microphones and little cameras. 683 00:35:19,251 --> 00:35:22,819 Many of the girls wanted to tell you their problems, 684 00:35:22,921 --> 00:35:26,423 and that made us all very nervous. 685 00:35:26,525 --> 00:35:27,557 We had to be very careful 686 00:35:27,659 --> 00:35:31,194 because we know we were being monitored. 687 00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:36,766 He lets the media into all these parties on purpose 688 00:35:36,869 --> 00:35:39,102 because usually they end up doing something 689 00:35:39,204 --> 00:35:41,037 they'll regret, 690 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:44,407 and he's got that on them, so down the road, 691 00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:47,978 if anything was gonna come out negative about him, 692 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,148 he'd just say, "I don't think so. 693 00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:52,949 Remember this?" 694 00:35:53,051 --> 00:35:55,185 And then all of a sudden it goes away. 695 00:35:55,287 --> 00:35:58,355 It was cult-like. 696 00:35:58,457 --> 00:36:01,324 The women had been groomed 697 00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:04,594 and led to believe they were part of this family. 698 00:36:04,696 --> 00:36:07,864 And he really did believe he owned these women. 699 00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:12,536 We had playmates that overdosed. 700 00:36:12,638 --> 00:36:16,206 There were playmates that committed suicide. 701 00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:20,310 I really thought that if I wrote a book, 702 00:36:20,412 --> 00:36:23,180 maybe all of this stuff would go away, 703 00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:25,849 maybe it would stop. 704 00:36:26,785 --> 00:36:32,155 Hefner even sent someone to buy me off. 705 00:36:32,257 --> 00:36:37,360 When you get someone that powerful to be that fearful, 706 00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:40,397 anything could happen. Anything. 707 00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:44,834 I had a bodyguard. 708 00:36:44,937 --> 00:36:48,104 I was that afraid. 709 00:36:49,141 --> 00:36:50,874 I got threatened. 710 00:36:50,976 --> 00:36:53,043 "You're not gonna put this book out. 711 00:36:53,145 --> 00:36:56,046 "We can find you anywhere you go. 712 00:36:56,148 --> 00:36:59,516 You can't hide from us." It was very frightening. 713 00:37:07,426 --> 00:37:10,060 It's just a very clever marketing ploy 714 00:37:10,162 --> 00:37:13,063 that happens to work out very well for me and the company. 715 00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:14,564 For the author. 716 00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:20,971 Everybody knew that Hefner was a very powerful person. 717 00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:25,275 No one believed anything that a young girl would say 718 00:37:25,377 --> 00:37:27,844 because you were a nobody. 719 00:37:27,946 --> 00:37:30,013 And they were the big somebodies with money, 720 00:37:30,115 --> 00:37:34,150 with lawyers, and you were shut down. 721 00:37:34,253 --> 00:37:35,952 We would tell these stories 40 years ago 722 00:37:36,054 --> 00:37:37,621 and people didn't believe it. 723 00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:42,726 Bill cosby was there. Oh, he's america's dad. 724 00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:47,998 I mean, there's just--no one would believe those women. 725 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,900 For years. 726 00:37:51,003 --> 00:37:55,038 It was a beautiful world, and to him, beautiful girls, 727 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:59,175 beautiful people, beautiful food, beautiful everything. 728 00:37:59,278 --> 00:38:03,446 But it--it looked that way, but it was ugly. 729 00:38:03,548 --> 00:38:05,915 It was really ugly. 730 00:38:06,018 --> 00:38:09,219 This was built to look like paradise. 731 00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:12,355 But in reality, paradise is not all it's made out to be. 732 00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:15,992 The LAPD's investigating a possible sexual assault 733 00:38:16,094 --> 00:38:17,961 this weekend at the playboy mansion, 734 00:38:18,063 --> 00:38:20,096 home of hedonism and Hugh Hefner. 735 00:38:20,198 --> 00:38:24,067 I have no doubt that terrible things happened at the mansion. 736 00:38:24,169 --> 00:38:25,201 Of course, it did. 737 00:38:25,304 --> 00:38:28,004 It would be naive to say it didn't. 738 00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:31,441 But I think Hefner would have resented 739 00:38:31,543 --> 00:38:33,109 being associated with it. 740 00:38:33,211 --> 00:38:36,546 I think he would say he was the cause of the good things 741 00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:38,548 and then people took it too far. 742 00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:40,083 There was various scandals 743 00:38:40,185 --> 00:38:43,119 associated with "playboy" over the years. 744 00:38:43,221 --> 00:38:45,488 There was Bobbie Arnstein's suicide. 745 00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,863 There was Dorothy Stratten's murder. 746 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:59,002 Her death was just so sad and devastating and shocking. 747 00:38:59,104 --> 00:39:04,040 There were other girls and models and playmates who died, 748 00:39:04,142 --> 00:39:07,210 but they just were things that you never talked about. 749 00:39:07,312 --> 00:39:09,512 All of these scandals and whispers 750 00:39:09,614 --> 00:39:13,616 about what happened at the mansion and at playboy, 751 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,219 hef remained untouched by any of it. 752 00:39:16,321 --> 00:39:18,755 He was like teflon. Nothing touched him. 753 00:39:21,626 --> 00:39:23,326 Over time, I started to realize 754 00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:26,796 "playboy" was run as this big marketing machine 755 00:39:26,898 --> 00:39:28,965 where he was in the center of it, 756 00:39:29,067 --> 00:39:31,234 and if it started to affect poorly on him, 757 00:39:31,336 --> 00:39:34,838 it starts to affect poorly on "playboy." 758 00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:39,642 This was a very sophisticated structure 759 00:39:39,745 --> 00:39:41,778 within playboy enterprises 760 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,416 that his own machinery kept into place. 761 00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:51,488 Everyone had a job to keep Hefner protected. 762 00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:53,790 They wanted to control the narrative. 763 00:39:53,892 --> 00:39:57,594 They wanted to control how people viewed "playboy" 764 00:39:57,696 --> 00:40:00,530 and how they viewed hef. 765 00:40:00,632 --> 00:40:02,499 But the people who were really there, 766 00:40:02,601 --> 00:40:05,001 they're the ones who know the real truth. 767 00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:12,776 His legacy should comprise the whole story, 768 00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:17,380 not just part of it that he projected, 769 00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:19,649 not his publicity machine 770 00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:23,620 but from the women who experienced him. 771 00:40:23,722 --> 00:40:27,390 It's time that the illusion is broken. 772 00:40:27,492 --> 00:40:31,194 There was a very dark, dark side of "playboy" 773 00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:33,163 that nobody wants to talk about 774 00:40:33,265 --> 00:40:36,332 because they want to live in that bubble. 775 00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:38,468 You know, when he passed away three years ago, 776 00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:41,237 I said to Stefan, you know, "maybe you should revive 777 00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:44,040 the book now that the metoo movement is here." 778 00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:45,508 When it happened, I thought, you know, 779 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:47,677 Hefner missed by a month 780 00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:50,113 of being in the same seat as weinstein 781 00:40:50,215 --> 00:40:53,516 and all those other powerful men in Hollywood. 782 00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:57,053 I'm ready now. I'm empowered. 783 00:40:57,155 --> 00:40:59,355 I'm empowered to tell my story. 784 00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:01,524 I'm not afraid to speak up any longer. 785 00:41:03,762 --> 00:41:05,094 What I want to say to Hefner is 786 00:41:05,197 --> 00:41:08,598 you destroyed a lot of lives. 787 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,233 You were power hungry. 788 00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,702 You didn't care about the lives of these women. 789 00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:15,205 You didn't care what happened to these girls. 790 00:41:15,307 --> 00:41:17,273 It was all about what people 791 00:41:17,375 --> 00:41:23,346 perceived about you, Hefner. 792 00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:25,615 And it was all a lie. 61621

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