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Take one.
Mark.
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We're ready.
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All right.
We ready to roll again?
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How's that?
Good.
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I just wanted to make a difference, you know?
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I mean, I'm not doing this for 15 minutes of fame.
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I mean, who'd want to throw themselves
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under the train for that?
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It's i just want it to change
for women and young girls
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to think twice about what they're doing.
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'Cause there's always gonna be a guy like Hef
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in the--in the wings.
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Some of these girls
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don't want to bring up those memories.
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You know, there's a lot
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that don't want to even talk about it.
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Ready?
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No.
No?
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Okay.
Okay.
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All right.
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Are you ready?
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I'm ready.
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I don't think we know
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what Hugh Hefner's legacy is yet, ultimately.
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I don't think the dust has even settled.
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We have some breaking news for you tonight.
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Playboy founder Hugh Hefner
has died at the age of 91.
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Hefner changed america when he introduced
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"playboy" magazine back in 1953.
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He changed the magazine culture.
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He changed the American sex culture, if you will.
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But that came with some controversy.
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Hefner's legacy is very confusing
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because he sold women a very seductive package
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about sexual freedom
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and what that means in our culture.
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And yet, there's a lot
of hypocrisy around that.
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He's like a cipher.
You can make him the devil.
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You can make him
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one of the most important Americans who ever lived.
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You can say he celebrated women.
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You can say he was a terrible sexist.
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He is whatever you want him to be.
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I don't think Hefner
was a super moral individual.
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Hugh Hefner was a transactional man.
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He was a businessman.
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I think he--i think he was a monster.
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I could look at him, and I saw the devil.
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My name is Hugh Hefner.
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I'm editor/publisher of "playboy" magazine.
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When Hugh Hefner was just 27,
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he fashioned himself and "playboy"
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as the face of sexual liberation.
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"Playboy" is one of the most famous
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brand names in the world.
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I would like to be remembered as somebody
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who played some positive part
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in changing the social,
sexual values of my time.
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I believe that hef pulled
one over on the whole world.
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The fantasy of "playboy" that he created
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did not allow for the consent of the women.
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When it came to Hefner's buddies,
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you had to keep those secrets quiet.
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Whatever you got for free.
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When you get someone that powerful,
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anything could happen.
Anything.
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The people who were really there,
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they're the ones who know the real truth.
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I want to be a voice for the women
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that suffered the most at his hands.
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I know.
Time for breakfast.
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Time for breakfast?
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Who wants breakfast?
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Okay.
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My name is Jennifer saginor.
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I grew up at the playboy mansion.
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Since Hefner's death,
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I'm noticing that people
that were close to "playboy"
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are starting to suddenly go back
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and reevaluate their experiences
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and they're starting to speak out.
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It's taken me a long time to sort of unravel
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what I experienced growing up
and how it made me feel.
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I had a sense of loyalty to this inner sanctum,
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to this inner circle that I
was initiated into very young.
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I didn't want to break that loyalty
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because I knew there
would be serious consequences.
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All right.
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It was such a weird, up place.
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But, I mean, the truth is that
growing up there as a kid,
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it was magical.
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I was six when I went there for the first time.
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When I was 11,
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I basically started living there part time.
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My father was Hefner's best friend and doctor
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for about 40 years and had
his own room there as well.
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The mansion was like a magical kingdom.
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I could have anything I wanted.
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I mean, the game room was unbelievable.
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You know, I would literally
just take as many gumballs
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and M & M's as I wanted.
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In the morning, the butlers
would make my lunch
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and I would get into hef's limo and go to school.
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And there was a zoo on the mansion property.
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All the playmates would sort of watch over me.
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And these girls became sort
of substitute mother figures.
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Dorothy stratten used to babysit me.
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She was playmate of the year.
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We used to always, like, play dress up.
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We used to just go like roller-skating
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on the tennis court.
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So, for me, those connections became everything.
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I have so many happy memories of myself with hef.
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I remember sitting on my father's knee
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while he and Hef were playing backgammon.
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We would play pinball in the game room
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and hef would let me put my thumb on top of his.
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It just made me feel so special.
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Like he was just such a very,
like, soft, comforting,
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nurturing, sort of, like,
you know, paternal figure.
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My most special memory is Christmas though.
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I just remember like Frank Sinatra
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and the music in the background
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and the buffet table.
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And it was just really a sense of family.
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There's something about it
that was very free, you know,
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and like warm and comforting.
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I just don't find that now.
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I haven't found that in any point in my life.
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I am so thrilled to be in this beautiful house
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where you live, the playboy mansion.
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Tell me what this house means to you.
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Well, first of all, it's home.
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I was born and raised, as you know, in Chicago
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and have a very lovely home there,
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which was the original playboy mansion.
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But in 1971, I got this house.
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And around '75, I just decided to make the move.
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It has been referred to by
some friends as shangri la.
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The rumor is that you don't get older
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once you come through the gates.
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I think all of us who were part of the scene
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at the playboy mansion,
there was an unwritten rule.
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You left your troubles at the gate.
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You drive up this driveway
and the first thing you see
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is this fountain which was like a dolphin...
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Being molested by a baby.
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And then you pull up to this great gothic house.
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There's this big wooden door that creaks open.
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You know, there were signs about "playmates at play"
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and also, you know, "careful about the monkeys."
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I mean, it was just like arriving
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in the strangest xanadu.
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Every man wanted to be there.
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Every woman wanted to be there.
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The parties were extravagant.
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If you open the wrong door,
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you're gonna see a whole lot
more than you anticipated.
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Even in the foliage sometimes.
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I mean, the parties, the roller skating,
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the tennis matches, volleyball.
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There was always something
going on that was for fun.
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These are the things
that people don't understand
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about the playboy mansion or about Hugh Hefner.
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They don't understand
what I call the innocent times.
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Oh, my god, I remember that party--that's insane.
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These are so fun, these parties.
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There was something in the air that made you feel
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that nobody was judging you.
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And many of the women truly enjoyed
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not feeling so constricted by our society.
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You're free to be whoever you want to be.
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Everything was so beautiful.
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It was very glamorous.
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And it was hef's world, you know?
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Hefner...created it.
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He molded it.
And he was king.
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Much of what playboy's all about, really,
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is a Disneyland for adults,
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a projection of those adolescent dreams
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and fantasies that I had in growing up
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that I've never really lost.
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Hugh Hefner was in his own world.
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If you look at the photos,
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he thought he was the king, the emperor.
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We were just servants.
Everybody else was invisible.
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He didn't want to know our names.
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He just gave us directions.
We had to memorize them.
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He drank around 35, 40 pepsis a day.
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I had to wrap them in a special red napkin
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according to the instructions.
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He ate mostly M & M's,
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2 or 3 pounds a day,
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and red licorice.
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His condoms were stacked in a certain place
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in the headboard.
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There were 150 rules.
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We had to follow them exactly.
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We were told, "you cannot talk to the girls.
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"You're not their friend.
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You work for Mr. Hefner.
You don't work for them."
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As a child, I looked up to Hefner
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because he had this big magic castle
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and he was larger than life,
and he was charming,
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and everybody loved him,
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and he seemed very humble
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and was very generous and seemed like,
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you know, a really amazing person
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who deserved these blessings.
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Years later, I started to realize
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that everyone in this environment
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put hef on a pedestal.
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And it wasn't genuine.
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This was all like an illusion.
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Everything you heard about Hefner and "playboy"
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was exactly what his PR agency
wanted you to hear.
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It was a very calculated
misrepresentation of the truth.
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Playboy became kind of something more than
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just a magazine for me.
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It really was a projection of a way of life
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and, uh, what we now call an alternate lifestyle,
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if you will.
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The playboy philosophy was like a manifesto.
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For him, it was always about individual freedom.
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"I should be able to say what I want
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"as long as I'm not hurting anybody.
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"I should be able to sleep with who I want
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as long as I'm not hurting anybody."
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The blueprint for "playboy" can be traced
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to his entire life leading up to that point.
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Hef was born during the roaring '20s
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and the jazz age.
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His parents were strict methodists,
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and there wasn't a lot of
affection shown in the home.
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He came out of the war, got married.
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I think you've got to find yourself
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before you find your lifelong mate.
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And looking around at the repressive society
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that existed in america after world war ii,
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he felt he had things to say.
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In 1953, Hugh Hefner was 27 years old,
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literally at a card table
with a little typewriter.
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And he managed to pull together the money
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to launch the first edition of "playboy,"
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which they didn't even put a date on it
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because they weren't sure there
was gonna be a second edition.
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Because they had Marilyn Monroe on the cover
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and Marilyn Monroe on the inside,
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the first issue sold all 50,000 copies immediately.
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By the 1970s,
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"playboy" was selling 7 million copies a month.
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"Playboy" was classy.
It was intoxicating.
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There was naked women in there, there was nudity.
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But also it was brilliant articles.
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It was incisive philosophy.
It was leading the culture.
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I think the search for a new ethical, you know,
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set of moral values based on something
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other than simply rigid rules set forth
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many, many centuries ago
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is something from which only good can come.
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In the '50s and '60s,
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"playboy" was instrumental in advancing
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the first amendment and freedom of speech.
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And the magazine was able to pursue issues
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and social concerns
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that just weren't being
addressed in American society.
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Look at civil rights.
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I knew all along
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that hef was a champion of civil rights,
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one, because I read the magazine,
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so I saw some of the people
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that he had done articles with,
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including Malcolm X.
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Then there were the playboy clubs.
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So the first playboy club opened in 1960,
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which was, of course, a time of
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tremendous racial segregation in this country.
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Hef did not believe in segregation. He didn't.
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At the playboy clubs, there were black bunnies,
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there were black general managers.
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This was the way it was.
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Hi, and welcome to "playboy's penthouse."
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Sammy Davis Jr. will be here in a little while.
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"Playboy's penthouse" aired in 1959.
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There were very strong Jim Crow laws.
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Whites were not allowed to mingle with blacks
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and vice versa.
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And yet this Hugh Hefner had the audacity
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to let blacks come on to his television show
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and not just sing and be whisked away.
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How long have you been singing, Tina?
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Well, personally, I've been
singing for nine years.
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No, he set an egalitarian atmosphere
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where blacks could come and mingle.
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Who else was doing that but Hugh Hefner?
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As a child, I definitely felt
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that message of equality at the mansion.
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There was always an air of acceptance.
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Oh, my god.
These are like the disco parties
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in the foyer,
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where I used to watch as a kid on the banister.
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When I was around 10 or 11
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and I had my own bedroom there,
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at night, I would hear loud music,
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and I would hear everyone down
below partying and having fun.
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I would sneak out my bedroom
door and down the hallway
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and hide behind the banister and look below.
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I would see all these playmates
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and women dressed in these beautiful gowns
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and sparkly outfits.
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And I just couldn't wait to be able to be older
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and be down there at the parties with them.
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I'd always heard from a young age
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that hef was someone that was this big,
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you know, feminist advocate
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and an advocate for women's rights.
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I think the primary aims of women's lib,
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the part that do not get the publicity
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and the TV and newspapers
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are things that "playboy" endorses
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and has worked for over the years.
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He used to say, "even nice girls like sex.
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They're allowed to like sex."
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As a little kid, I was buying it that
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these women were empowered
and walking around naked
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and felt good about their bodies
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and the feminists simply didn't get it.
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Hugh Hefner is my enemy.
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With "playboy," there's this entire conflict over,
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"are the women expressing themselves freely
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or are they being exploited?"
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As time went on, I saw
some of the inconsistencies.
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I saw just all the tremendous hypocrisy.
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Mr. Hefner,
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you were picketed tonight
from women's liberation,
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and they say that "playboy" magazine
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and this contest distort the role of womanhood.
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What's your response to that?
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We need more love and more beauty in the world
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that already has too much hate and ugliness in it.
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I was surprised when, in the '70s,
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the feminists were really attacking hef.
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From the point of view of like Hefner, my father,
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and the inner circle of the boys club,
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they were feeling
as if they were being attacked
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for absolutely no reason,
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that there was a witch hunt
going on against them.
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There's something wrong
when an attractive girl
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can make more money as a playboy bunny
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or a cover girl than anything else.
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"Playboy's" greatest critics
throughout its history
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have been members of the moral rights.
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And, you know, what Hugh Hefner
would have described
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as "radical feminists."
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They opposed the objectification of women
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that was central to "playboy's" existence.
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I'm more in sympathy than perhaps, you know,
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the girls realize with--
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Women.
Women.
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I'm sorry.
Yes, I'm 35.
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Than the ladies realize.
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I use girls referring to women of all ages.
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You should stop.
You want to be called a boy?
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Would you like to--
oh, I see. Okay.
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I'd always felt it was complimentary, but--
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that's because your magazine is an image of women
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at an arrested development.
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Well, let me--
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on "the dick cavett show," Hefner was there.
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And there was a woman, she was
very, very angry and saying,
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"how could you do this to women?
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How could you objectify women
in such a demeaning manner?"
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You know, and he just sat
there just as cool as ice.
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Hefner was classy.
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Hefner was educated and refined.
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So for me to align myself with "playboy" magazine,
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it was okay.
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I was miss January 1973.
My photos were gorgeous.
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And then I became director
of playmate promotions.
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At that point in time,
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I wasn't interested in marriage.
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But I was interested in playboy enterprises,
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because women were taking their power.
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They were in command of themselves.
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So I thought, "well, wow! Wow!
That's good to me."
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And it went along with the sexual revolution
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that was going on.
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I had a lot of power, a lot of freedom.
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It was freedom, you know?
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My bunny name was bunny jaki.
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And I started working at playboy in 1967
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for 11 1/2 years.
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We definitely got paid well.
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And I bought a car, and I
lived the way I wanted to.
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We had more freedom than as
a secretary or as a teacher.
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It's 1981. I'm in Chicago as the bunny mother.
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I had 70 bunnies underneath me.
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We did a lot of things
to help rise these girls up.
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And it was exciting to me because I knew
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that I could move up the ladder in corporate.
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There were oftentimes
when I would be interviewed
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by a strong feminist.
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And she would come at me really hard.
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And I would just, "mm-hmm. Yeah."
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And I would answer and let them know
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that I was definitely in charge of my life
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and this was my choice.
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Now, of course, it came at a cost.
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But at that moment in time,
I didn't know about that.
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I didn't realize what was
going on at the time,
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that "playboy" really wasn't
about freedom of expression.
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This wasn't about, like, female empowerment.
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This was something that was much deeper,
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that was much more sinister.
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At the mansion, back in like the '70s
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and the early '80s,
it was the women and the men.
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The girls weren't allowed
to hang out with the men.
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But I was allowed to sit with them.
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And I'd always see the men
looking at different
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negatives of girls from different shoots.
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They would sort of quiz me
on how to critique a girl
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that they would consider up to their standards.
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And so I would rattle off, you know, what I knew
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that they were looking for,
whether it was a size d,
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which doctor would do the boob job,
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who would do the nose job,
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what their entire physique should look like,
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and what size everything should be.
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For sure, it was always size zero.
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I was trained how to view women
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in the way that they did--
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as commodities.
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I mean, my father used to tell me that I should,
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you know, I had to watch it 'cause--you know,
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'cause I could like gain weight in my hips or--
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he would definitely, like, at a young age,
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you know, go over our bodies
with us, with my sister and I.
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That was of course nerve-racking
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'cause I don't think either one of us felt like
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we measured up to what was
considered to be acceptable.
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They even pushed me--
I got my own surgery.
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15.
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It was just awful.
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As I got older,
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I would creep out of my bedroom more and more.
446
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I was just very curious
447
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what was happening in all
the bedrooms down the hall.
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And I would see some of these girls
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doing things that I didn't recognize.
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I would see them naked
with men all around them
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and I would see them
on the floor on all fours
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and they were on drugs.
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And it--it just really--it scared me.
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The men were laughing.
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And I just remembered thinking I never want to be
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like these girls running around
like they're animals.
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I just--i never want to be that.
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This wasn't about empowerment of women.
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It was the breaking down of a woman.
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Cody.
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As a teenager, I started to notice
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that all the playmates
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and Hefner's different girlfriends
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were very open with their sexuality.
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And there was something
about it that drew me in.
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It was a very open environment
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of where love and sex had very blurred lines.
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So if you love someone,
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it was you were supposed to be
more intimate with them,
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I think, sexually.
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You know, hef always would
kiss--which many people know,
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he would kiss with sort of his mouth open
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in sort of like a French kiss kind of a way.
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And I always thought it was sort of strange
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that, you know, someone that was sort of
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was like my uncle would kiss like that.
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But then my father told me
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that that's what people do
when they love each other.
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I think you're gonna have
very moral relationships
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with more than one person at the same time
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or with a sequence of--
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or continuing series of relationships.
483
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Why was there so many girls?
484
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Hef was the playboy of the western world.
485
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Why should he stop at one
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when he could have as many as he did?
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He would say, "I want
to attract the young ladies
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"who want to run with me in my life.
489
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I'm not gonna run with them in their life."
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Back in the late '70s, there was always
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at least three to four main girlfriends.
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There was always one that was the special one.
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This is what they called them.
494
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And those other girls
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were always wanting to be that special one.
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Tell me about the real Hugh Hefner,
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the one the rest of us don't know.
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He's very sensitive.
He's very caring and giving.
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00:25:34,267 --> 00:25:36,967
When I was 15, I fell in love
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with one of Hugh Hefner's main girlfriends.
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I'm gonna call her Kendall.
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I fell very hard because I was so young.
503
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You know, Jennifer was incredibly infatuated
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with, uh, with Mr. Hefner's girlfriend.
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I mean, really infatuated with her.
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She was very sweet, very innocent.
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You know, she was innocent.
She was 15 or 16 years old.
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We, over time, became very close
509
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because she was someone
who ran away very young.
510
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,936
And because my father had
pulled me away from my mother,
511
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I longed for that affection
that only a woman could give.
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00:26:16,142 --> 00:26:20,578
And Kendall was very affectionate.
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I mean, one night, she ordered like daiquiris.
514
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And one thing led to another.
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00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:32,356
And I think she thought that
I had been with a girl before.
516
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:36,794
It really took away the loneliness at that time.
517
00:26:36,896 --> 00:26:40,097
I served Mr. Hefner's girlfriend
518
00:26:40,199 --> 00:26:42,733
and Jennifer drinks in bed.
519
00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:45,002
I said, "here are your drinks, ladies."
520
00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:46,370
I was very professional.
And they said,
521
00:26:46,472 --> 00:26:50,307
"Mitch, you know, you can say hello, it's okay."
522
00:26:50,409 --> 00:26:54,411
And I said, "I'm gonna go back
downstairs, ladies. Thank you."
523
00:26:54,513 --> 00:26:57,514
The people that knew knew
that Jennifer was underage.
524
00:26:57,617 --> 00:26:59,550
I mean, I wanted to say something to her.
525
00:26:59,652 --> 00:27:02,052
But i held back.
526
00:27:02,154 --> 00:27:04,755
It was something that
I didn't--i just didn't push.
527
00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:06,790
I didn't really think there
was anything necessarily wrong
528
00:27:06,892 --> 00:27:09,026
with what I did.
529
00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:11,762
You know, from my father
and Hefner's point of view,
530
00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:14,832
they really didn't care about
my having the affair
531
00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:16,967
with his girlfriend.
532
00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:18,802
He knew about the affair from the beginning.
533
00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:20,471
I mean, there's cameras everywhere.
534
00:27:20,573 --> 00:27:22,072
A lot of the cameras, you didn't even know
535
00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:23,741
they were there, but they were there.
536
00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:26,710
And also security was carrying
cameras on their jackets.
537
00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:29,680
So there's eyes everywhere.
538
00:27:29,782 --> 00:27:33,917
When I was 17, I was called to hef's room.
539
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:37,254
I thought he was gonna
confront me about the affair.
540
00:27:37,356 --> 00:27:40,090
I was just--i wanted to see Kendall so badly.
541
00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:42,526
And she said the only way we could see each other
542
00:27:42,628 --> 00:27:45,095
is if you come to hef's room, hef said.
543
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,100
One of her friends, who's also a playmate,
544
00:27:50,202 --> 00:27:53,570
walked me to his door.
545
00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:55,406
And then she stopped me
and she's like, you know,
546
00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:58,475
"I just want to tell you that
you don't have to do anything
547
00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,778
that you don't want to do."
548
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,446
I was like, "what do you mean?"
549
00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:06,550
And then I went in and then hef ordered drinks.
550
00:28:06,652 --> 00:28:09,353
And then we were just sitting there.
551
00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:13,524
And the energy shifted in the room,
552
00:28:13,626 --> 00:28:17,594
and I started feeling uncomfortable.
553
00:28:17,697 --> 00:28:21,365
I was still immature emotionally,
554
00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:25,169
even though I'd been exposed to so many things.
555
00:28:25,271 --> 00:28:27,938
So when I went in the room,
556
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,340
and he and Kendall were on the bed.
557
00:28:30,443 --> 00:28:32,609
And I just thought it was fun, at first.
558
00:28:32,712 --> 00:28:37,381
I didn't really realize
what was about to happen.
559
00:28:37,483 --> 00:28:41,652
I felt like, in that moment,
Hefner crossed a boundary
560
00:28:41,754 --> 00:28:43,320
because he'd always looked at me
561
00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:46,223
and treated me like I was his daughter.
562
00:28:46,325 --> 00:28:50,994
And here I was in his room
563
00:28:51,097 --> 00:28:54,164
feeling this uncomfortable energy
564
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:58,135
that I was no longer being
looked at as a daughter.
565
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,574
And then Kendall started crying.
566
00:29:03,676 --> 00:29:06,343
And then she ran into the bathroom.
567
00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:10,481
And then he said, "well, now
we're not gonna do anything
568
00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,751
'cause she's crying or whatever."
569
00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,554
And I was like, "yeah."
And my dad's down the hall.
570
00:29:17,656 --> 00:29:20,357
And he's like, you know,
"we're all family here."
571
00:29:20,459 --> 00:29:23,327
And then I left and went back to my room.
572
00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:26,463
I don't think that she knew
573
00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:27,965
what was really going on up there
574
00:29:28,067 --> 00:29:30,734
until she actually
experienced being up there.
575
00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:32,336
And she got a--she got,
576
00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:34,505
you know, a crash course in doing that.
577
00:29:34,607 --> 00:29:38,142
We're at the playboy mansion,
this is--this is--this is real,
578
00:29:38,244 --> 00:29:40,410
this is some real.
579
00:29:48,554 --> 00:29:50,921
All right, good boy.
580
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,693
Growing up, it's like
I never wanted to go
581
00:29:56,796 --> 00:30:02,065
against what my father or hef
or the environment taught me
582
00:30:02,168 --> 00:30:07,871
was actually something that was normal, I guess.
583
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:10,174
When I got to college
584
00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:13,777
and I started to integrate into society,
585
00:30:13,879 --> 00:30:16,280
I didn't understand how these rules
586
00:30:16,382 --> 00:30:18,382
that I had learned from a very young age
587
00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,751
had nothing to do with the outside world.
588
00:30:20,853 --> 00:30:23,687
You know, I didn't really talk
about it a lot with people.
589
00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:28,992
So writing it down was a way
for me to express myself.
590
00:30:29,094 --> 00:30:30,460
Joining me now is Jennifer saginor.
591
00:30:30,563 --> 00:30:32,362
She grew up inside the playboy mansion
592
00:30:32,464 --> 00:30:34,731
and is the author of the book "playground."
593
00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,534
"Playground" was something that I wrote about
594
00:30:37,636 --> 00:30:40,671
to sort of work out out my own issues
595
00:30:40,773 --> 00:30:44,908
of what I had seen and experienced.
596
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:49,813
I was always taught that it
was okay to speak your mind.
597
00:30:51,417 --> 00:30:56,587
Yet I also knew that
a certain level of loyalty
598
00:30:56,689 --> 00:31:00,924
went along with belonging into this inner circle.
599
00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:03,660
There was some level of fear
600
00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:05,162
that there would be repercussions
601
00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:07,531
for breaking that loyalty.
602
00:31:07,633 --> 00:31:11,468
And so I went out of my way to betray hef
603
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:14,771
in a very, very positive light,
604
00:31:14,874 --> 00:31:16,840
as someone who was a father figure,
605
00:31:16,942 --> 00:31:20,677
who I did look up to for many, many years.
606
00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:23,180
When my book came out,
607
00:31:23,282 --> 00:31:26,450
I did a couple of interviews in Los Angeles.
608
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:28,518
And hef called me and he said,
609
00:31:28,621 --> 00:31:31,722
"congratulations, I heard that you wrote a book,
610
00:31:31,824 --> 00:31:33,357
and I'm so proud of you."
611
00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:35,192
He said, "but listen,
if you could just do me a favor
612
00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:37,294
and not tell anybody
613
00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:40,597
that I knew about your affair with Kendall."
614
00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:42,266
He's like, "I would just really appreciate
615
00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:43,867
if we just kept that between us."
616
00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:45,535
He didn't want people knowing
617
00:31:45,638 --> 00:31:49,139
that a minor had an affair on his property.
618
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:53,243
And I was like, "sure.
You know, no problem."
619
00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:55,112
He said, "could you fax over a list
620
00:31:55,214 --> 00:31:59,983
of your next interviews?"
And I said, "sure. Of course."
621
00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:04,121
I went to New York, and then
literally, in succession,
622
00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:06,623
the interviews were canceled, like, one by one.
623
00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:09,693
It was like something out of a mafia movie.
624
00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,531
Well, I know what happened.
625
00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:18,802
I know that he--that he had
someone in his office call
626
00:32:18,904 --> 00:32:23,273
and contact those people
and stop those interviews.
627
00:32:27,313 --> 00:32:28,979
I was really crushed
628
00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:34,751
'cause I no longer could,
you know, speak my truth.
629
00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:37,254
It was just so hypocritical
630
00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:39,523
because freedom of speech
and the first amendment
631
00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:41,725
had been something that he was an advocate for
632
00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,528
his entire adult life.
633
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,130
And that made me, you know,
634
00:32:47,232 --> 00:32:49,132
question who I thought my father was
635
00:32:49,234 --> 00:32:50,901
and who I thought hef was.
636
00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:55,038
And I really thought these men
were larger than life.
637
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,374
They knew everybody,
they were so well connected,
638
00:32:57,476 --> 00:33:02,079
and just, you know,
really just enlightened beings.
639
00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:06,083
And I realized that this was
something much bigger
640
00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:12,289
that he didn't want people to
know what was really going on.
641
00:33:14,259 --> 00:33:16,593
When I was an editorial assistant
642
00:33:16,695 --> 00:33:18,595
working for the articles editor,
643
00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:21,732
different books would get vetted by him.
644
00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:24,067
He was looking for things in those books
645
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:28,772
that would hurt Hefner's reputation.
646
00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:31,074
I read everything that came through.
647
00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,377
There's some things that I read about
648
00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:36,580
that never saw the light of day.
649
00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:38,382
Over time, I realized
650
00:33:38,484 --> 00:33:41,852
I was just one of the many
people who were silenced.
651
00:33:43,422 --> 00:33:48,425
I worked in six clubs.
Every club had a scandal.
652
00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:50,894
At least one if not many more.
653
00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:55,999
I had to keep my mouth closed
if I wanted to keep my job.
654
00:33:56,101 --> 00:33:58,301
There's a lot of collateral damage
655
00:33:58,404 --> 00:34:01,938
within the playboy organization--a lot.
656
00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:03,907
And the majority of the collateral damage
657
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:07,377
is towards women.
658
00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:12,482
Things were done to shush people up,
659
00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,285
to get them out of the way.
660
00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:19,222
He wasn't worried about the local L.A. cops.
661
00:34:19,324 --> 00:34:22,993
Many of these police worked
for him as security guards.
662
00:34:23,095 --> 00:34:24,961
Most of the security officers that were hired
663
00:34:25,064 --> 00:34:27,097
were ex-cops.
664
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,465
Some of them were L.A. cops.
665
00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:29,866
Some of them were Beverly Hills cops.
666
00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:31,368
Some of them were detectives.
667
00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,570
So it was very--it was very serious.
668
00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:36,306
You gotta protect the mansion,
you gotta protect, you know,
669
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,341
especially, number one, Mr. Hefner.
670
00:34:40,012 --> 00:34:43,046
A lot of things were just
taken care of in his world.
671
00:34:43,148 --> 00:34:45,749
The thing is he had tapes on everybody.
672
00:34:45,851 --> 00:34:49,386
I have extensive electronic
equipment in the house,
673
00:34:49,488 --> 00:34:51,288
which includes videotape equipment.
674
00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,824
And that does include cameras so that
675
00:34:53,926 --> 00:34:56,226
if I want to shoot pictures
of anything, I can, yes.
676
00:34:56,328 --> 00:34:58,595
Do you?
Do I shoot pictures?
677
00:34:58,697 --> 00:35:01,698
I mean, what is it doing in your bedroom?
678
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,366
Sometimes things happen in the bedroom
679
00:35:03,469 --> 00:35:05,602
that I'd like to take--
you're being coy.
680
00:35:05,704 --> 00:35:09,806
Prim, I might add.
We're on television.
681
00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:13,844
Every room, even outside on the properties,
682
00:35:13,946 --> 00:35:19,149
every place had microphones and little cameras.
683
00:35:19,251 --> 00:35:22,819
Many of the girls wanted
to tell you their problems,
684
00:35:22,921 --> 00:35:26,423
and that made us all very nervous.
685
00:35:26,525 --> 00:35:27,557
We had to be very careful
686
00:35:27,659 --> 00:35:31,194
because we know we were being monitored.
687
00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:36,766
He lets the media into
all these parties on purpose
688
00:35:36,869 --> 00:35:39,102
because usually they end up doing something
689
00:35:39,204 --> 00:35:41,037
they'll regret,
690
00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:44,407
and he's got that on them, so down the road,
691
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:47,978
if anything was gonna come out
negative about him,
692
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,148
he'd just say, "I don't think so.
693
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:52,949
Remember this?"
694
00:35:53,051 --> 00:35:55,185
And then all of a sudden it goes away.
695
00:35:55,287 --> 00:35:58,355
It was cult-like.
696
00:35:58,457 --> 00:36:01,324
The women had been groomed
697
00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:04,594
and led to believe
they were part of this family.
698
00:36:04,696 --> 00:36:07,864
And he really did believe he owned these women.
699
00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:12,536
We had playmates that overdosed.
700
00:36:12,638 --> 00:36:16,206
There were playmates that committed suicide.
701
00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:20,310
I really thought that if I wrote a book,
702
00:36:20,412 --> 00:36:23,180
maybe all of this stuff would go away,
703
00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:25,849
maybe it would stop.
704
00:36:26,785 --> 00:36:32,155
Hefner even sent someone to buy me off.
705
00:36:32,257 --> 00:36:37,360
When you get someone that
powerful to be that fearful,
706
00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:40,397
anything could happen.
Anything.
707
00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:44,834
I had a bodyguard.
708
00:36:44,937 --> 00:36:48,104
I was that afraid.
709
00:36:49,141 --> 00:36:50,874
I got threatened.
710
00:36:50,976 --> 00:36:53,043
"You're not gonna put this book out.
711
00:36:53,145 --> 00:36:56,046
"We can find you anywhere you go.
712
00:36:56,148 --> 00:36:59,516
You can't hide from us."
It was very frightening.
713
00:37:07,426 --> 00:37:10,060
It's just a very clever marketing ploy
714
00:37:10,162 --> 00:37:13,063
that happens to work out very
well for me and the company.
715
00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:14,564
For the author.
716
00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:20,971
Everybody knew that Hefner
was a very powerful person.
717
00:37:21,073 --> 00:37:25,275
No one believed anything
that a young girl would say
718
00:37:25,377 --> 00:37:27,844
because you were a nobody.
719
00:37:27,946 --> 00:37:30,013
And they were the big somebodies with money,
720
00:37:30,115 --> 00:37:34,150
with lawyers, and you were shut down.
721
00:37:34,253 --> 00:37:35,952
We would tell these stories 40 years ago
722
00:37:36,054 --> 00:37:37,621
and people didn't believe it.
723
00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:42,726
Bill cosby was there.
Oh, he's america's dad.
724
00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:47,998
I mean, there's just--no one
would believe those women.
725
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,900
For years.
726
00:37:51,003 --> 00:37:55,038
It was a beautiful world,
and to him, beautiful girls,
727
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:59,175
beautiful people, beautiful
food, beautiful everything.
728
00:37:59,278 --> 00:38:03,446
But it--it looked that way, but it was ugly.
729
00:38:03,548 --> 00:38:05,915
It was really ugly.
730
00:38:06,018 --> 00:38:09,219
This was built to look like paradise.
731
00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:12,355
But in reality, paradise
is not all it's made out to be.
732
00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:15,992
The LAPD's investigating
a possible sexual assault
733
00:38:16,094 --> 00:38:17,961
this weekend at the playboy mansion,
734
00:38:18,063 --> 00:38:20,096
home of hedonism and Hugh Hefner.
735
00:38:20,198 --> 00:38:24,067
I have no doubt that terrible
things happened at the mansion.
736
00:38:24,169 --> 00:38:25,201
Of course, it did.
737
00:38:25,304 --> 00:38:28,004
It would be naive to say it didn't.
738
00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:31,441
But I think Hefner would have resented
739
00:38:31,543 --> 00:38:33,109
being associated with it.
740
00:38:33,211 --> 00:38:36,546
I think he would say he was
the cause of the good things
741
00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:38,548
and then people took it too far.
742
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:40,083
There was various scandals
743
00:38:40,185 --> 00:38:43,119
associated with "playboy" over the years.
744
00:38:43,221 --> 00:38:45,488
There was Bobbie Arnstein's suicide.
745
00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,863
There was Dorothy Stratten's murder.
746
00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:59,002
Her death was just so sad
and devastating and shocking.
747
00:38:59,104 --> 00:39:04,040
There were other girls and
models and playmates who died,
748
00:39:04,142 --> 00:39:07,210
but they just were things
that you never talked about.
749
00:39:07,312 --> 00:39:09,512
All of these scandals and whispers
750
00:39:09,614 --> 00:39:13,616
about what happened at the
mansion and at playboy,
751
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,219
hef remained untouched by any of it.
752
00:39:16,321 --> 00:39:18,755
He was like teflon.
Nothing touched him.
753
00:39:21,626 --> 00:39:23,326
Over time, I started to realize
754
00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:26,796
"playboy" was run as this
big marketing machine
755
00:39:26,898 --> 00:39:28,965
where he was in the center of it,
756
00:39:29,067 --> 00:39:31,234
and if it started to affect poorly on him,
757
00:39:31,336 --> 00:39:34,838
it starts to affect poorly on "playboy."
758
00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:39,642
This was a very sophisticated structure
759
00:39:39,745 --> 00:39:41,778
within playboy enterprises
760
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,416
that his own machinery kept into place.
761
00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:51,488
Everyone had a job to keep Hefner protected.
762
00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:53,790
They wanted to control the narrative.
763
00:39:53,892 --> 00:39:57,594
They wanted to control
how people viewed "playboy"
764
00:39:57,696 --> 00:40:00,530
and how they viewed hef.
765
00:40:00,632 --> 00:40:02,499
But the people who were really there,
766
00:40:02,601 --> 00:40:05,001
they're the ones who know the real truth.
767
00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:12,776
His legacy should comprise the whole story,
768
00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:17,380
not just part of it that he projected,
769
00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:19,649
not his publicity machine
770
00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:23,620
but from the women who experienced him.
771
00:40:23,722 --> 00:40:27,390
It's time that the illusion is broken.
772
00:40:27,492 --> 00:40:31,194
There was a very dark, dark side of "playboy"
773
00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:33,163
that nobody wants to talk about
774
00:40:33,265 --> 00:40:36,332
because they want to live in that bubble.
775
00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:38,468
You know, when he passed
away three years ago,
776
00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:41,237
I said to Stefan, you know,
"maybe you should revive
777
00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:44,040
the book now that the metoo movement is here."
778
00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:45,508
When it happened, I thought, you know,
779
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:47,677
Hefner missed by a month
780
00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:50,113
of being in the same seat as weinstein
781
00:40:50,215 --> 00:40:53,516
and all those other powerful men in Hollywood.
782
00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:57,053
I'm ready now.
I'm empowered.
783
00:40:57,155 --> 00:40:59,355
I'm empowered to tell my story.
784
00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:01,524
I'm not afraid to speak up any longer.
785
00:41:03,762 --> 00:41:05,094
What I want to say to Hefner is
786
00:41:05,197 --> 00:41:08,598
you destroyed a lot of lives.
787
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,233
You were power hungry.
788
00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,702
You didn't care about the lives of these women.
789
00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:15,205
You didn't care what happened to these girls.
790
00:41:15,307 --> 00:41:17,273
It was all about what people
791
00:41:17,375 --> 00:41:23,346
perceived about you, Hefner.
792
00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:25,615
And it was all a lie.
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