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[Eartha Kitt's "If I Was A Boy"
plays]
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♪ If I was a boy
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♪ I'd know the things
a girl shouldn't know ♪
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♪ I'd go where girls
shouldn't go ♪
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♪ So, oh
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[sighs]
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♪ If I was a boy
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JUANITA: What's the hold up?
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I just wish I had
something to wear
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that was worth looking at.
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What about this one here?
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CAROLYN: It's fine, I suppose.
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Except I've worn it
once already to court.
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♪ I'd pack and catch me
a train ♪
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♪ Go out and raise me
some Cain ♪
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JUANITA: They sure dress
different up north, don't they?
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They talk different, too.
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What she wears and how she talks
is none of your concern.
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♪ There is such a lot a girl
has gotta cope with ♪
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♪ There are times
I think ♪
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I expect the press will be
after me today, once I testify.
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Lord, I wish they'd
just leave us alone.
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JUANITA: I suppose I don't need
to remind you
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that this ain't another one
of your high school
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beauty pageants.
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Roy's life is on the line,
and so is J.W.'s.
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For heaven's sake, Juanita,
you don't think I know it?
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[child screams in distance]
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I'll deal with him.
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You need to hurry up
and get your head on straight.
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You got us all
into this mess.
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It's up to you
to get us out.
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[paper slaps]
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♪♪
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CHATHAM: The defense is
desperate, Mrs. Bradley.
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I can smell it.
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We have kidnapping confessions
from both defendants,
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a great deal
of circumstantial evidence,
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and now, thanks to
these new witnesses,
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we can place Emmett
at the plantation
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where Milam's own brother
worked
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a few hours after
his disappearance.
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Thank God for Dr. Howard
and his team.
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[sighs]
You can bet we did.
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Before these witnesses
came forward,
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we had no clue
where the crime was committed,
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only that it was.
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And today, I intend to prove
that Bryant and Milam
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killed your son
on that very plantation
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that same morning.
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It's gonna be tough
for a jury to ignore
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eye-witness testimony
from these farmhands, ma'am.
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I'm glad to hear that.
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However...the fact remains
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that our only shred
of physical evidence --
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our only proof that
a murder occurred --
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is your son's body.
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Which is why they are so
determined to deny his identity.
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And why we need you
to prove to the jury
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that there was no hoax,
and that, as a mother,
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you would know
your son better than anyone.
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I understand.
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You need me
to tell the truth.
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And that's exactly
what I intend to do.
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CHATHAM: The defense will try to
cast doubts, of course,
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but just stick to the facts
and you'll do fine.
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Now, um,
there is one more thing.
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We've received a few letters
from concerned citizens
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who haven't taken kindly
to the fact
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that I've referred to you
in the press as "Mrs. Bradley."
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I'm sure you're aware
of the Southern custom?
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I am.
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We believe it would not serve us
well to risk offending the jury
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before they've even had
a chance to hear you speak.
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If you'll permit me,
I suggest
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I stick to the custom
during questioning.
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You're welcome to
call me Mamie.
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CHATHAM: Thank you.
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And please take care
with your responses, too.
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They're going to want
to hear you say "sir."
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VENDOR: Pop!
Get your ice cold soda pop.
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[indistinct conversations]
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♪♪
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[smooches]
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♪♪
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Good morning.
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Look at you.
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Almost didn't recognize you
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with all that paint
on your face.
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VENDOR: Soda pop!
Ice cold soda pop.
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MILAM: Damn,
it just gets hotter
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in this hell hole every day,
doesn't it?
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Son. Gimme a couple of them
cold ones.
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Keep 'em coming.
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[indistinct conversations]
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♪♪
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You straight on
what you're saying?
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Of course, Roy.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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[clanging]
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♪♪
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♪♪
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♪♪
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♪♪
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♪♪
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CHATHAM: Now, Mandy,
I direct your attention
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to the 28th day
of August, 1955.
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Did you see Willie Reed
that morning?
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Yes, sir.
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He stopped by my house
about, uh --
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well, along 6:30, 7:00.
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CHATHAM: And at that time,
did you look out
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towards Mr. Leslie Milam's
house?
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Y-Yes, sir.
I looked out the window.
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[whispering] What the hell
happened to our chairs?
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RUBY [whispering]: Shh!
Somebody must have moved them.
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-Shh.
-JUDGE: I need order, please.
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I understand our audience
has grown today,
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but I cannot allow anyone
in those aisles
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because it poses a fire hazard.
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I'm sorry, but if you do not
have a seat,
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you'll have to wait outside.
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Better luck next time, boys.
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You may proceed.
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Now, what did you see
when you looked out
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towards Mr. Leslie Milam's
house, Mandy?
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I saw a green and white truck
out there,
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and four white men.
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They were going in and out
the shed,
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and one went to the well
and got a drink of water
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and then back to the shed.
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CHATHAM: Would you recognize
that man if you saw him again?
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[suspenseful music plays]
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♪♪
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Yes.
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He was kind of a tall man.
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And bald-headed.
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♪♪
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CHATHAM: Thank you, Mandy.
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HICKS: Three days trying to
track those witnesses down,
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and now we can't even report
on what they say?
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Well, the drug store's been
selling folding chairs.
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I've seen a few white reporters
bringing them in.
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And you think they're going to
let us get away with that, too?
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-Never know unless you try.
-Excuse me.
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You're a reporter, aren't ya?
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Trying to be. [sighs]
What can I do for you?
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Well, we've been out here
hoping to find somebody
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that could help us.
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You see, m--
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You see, my wife,
she heard some talk yesterday
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while she was getting
her hair done.
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And we thought somebody
ought to know about it.
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What did you hear?
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Well, it's about them men
folks have been talking about.
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The ones that were
in the truck the night
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they got that Chicago boy.
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[birds chirping]
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CHATHAM: Willie,
as you came up towards
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Mr. Leslie Milam's house,
did you see anyone there?
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N-No, sir, not at first.
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But there was
a green a-and white truck
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in front of the shed,
and it was the same truck
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I had seen earlier
that had passed me by.
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Who was in that truck then?
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Four white men in the cab,
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um, and three colored men
in the back,
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and I seen somebody
sitting down
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in the bed of the truck --
a colored boy.
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Hmm.
Now, later on,
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did you recognize
a photograph
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or anything that indicated
to you
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who was sitting down
in the bed of that truck?
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When I looked at the newspaper,
um, I seen a photo of a boy.
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It was the same one I seen
in the back of the truck.
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And was that Emmett Till?
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-Well --
-We object, Your Honor.
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JUDGE SWANGO:
Objection is sustained
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unless it's connected,
of course.
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Now, I have a picture here
that was offered as Exhibit 1.
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Have you ever seen
this boy before?
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Yes, sir.
It is a picture of the boy
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I seen on the back of
the truck.
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CHATHAM: Now, as you were
passing by
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Mr. Leslie Milam's place
later that morning,
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was Mr. J.W. Milam there?
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WILLIE: Yes, sir.
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I-I seen him come out
of the shed to the well.
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Mr. J.W. Milam, the man that is
sitting right over there?
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Yes, sir.
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CHATHAM: Will you state
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whether he had anything unusual
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on his person?
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WILLIE: He had a pistol
on his belt.
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CHATHAM: And what did
Mr. J.W. Milam
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do when you saw him?
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WILLIE: Well, he, um --
He just went to the well,
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got a drink of water,
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and then -- and then
went back towards the shed.
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And after you passed
the shed,
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did you hear
or see anything unusual?
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[clears throat]
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I heard somebody hollering
from in there,
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and I heard some licks like --
like somebody
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was whipping somebody.
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Thank you.
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No further questions.
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BRELAND: Willie...
[clears throat]
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when that truck passed
by you that morning,
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did you recognize
Mr. J.W. Milam in there?
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Well, I-I didn't pay
too much attention
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to them in--
inside the truck.
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I-I just looked at the ones
in the back.
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Then you wouldn't say that
Mr. Milam was inside the truck?
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No, sir,
I wouldn't say that.
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No. Later on,
when you passed this shed,
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how far were you from it?
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Yeah.
I wasn't too far, sir.
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BRELAND: Well, would you say
it was, um, 100 yards away?
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I wouldn't know, sir.
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Mm.
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Now, this person
you testified, uh,
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was Mr. Milam,
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how, uh --
how far was he from you
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when you first saw him there?
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[gulps]
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Well, I wouldn't say how far,
just because I --
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I just wouldn't know, sir.
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Then you don't know whether
you were 100 yards away,
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or 200 hundred yards, or 500
hundred yards away from him?
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No -- No, sir.
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BRELAND: You, uh --
You stated that you heard
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something that sounded
like licks from inside the shed,
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but you don't know
whether Mr. Milam
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was in there or not,
do you?
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But I-I seen Mr. Milam,
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uh, when --
when he left the shed.
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But you didn't see him
in the shed, did you?
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WILLIE: Well, no, sir.
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But I-I seen him
w-when he left the shed and --
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and went to the well,
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a-and I seen him
when he went back towards it.
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But you don't know whether
the sounds you heard
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was somebody hammering,
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trying to fix a wagon,
or something like that.
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It was somebody
whipping somebody.
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S-Sir.
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[Breland sighs]
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Um, Your Honor, so,
we ask the court
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to exclude all evidence
as offered by this witness
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and to direct the jury
to wholly disregard it,
254
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because Roy Bryant has
not been identified in any way
255
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as being present on the occasion
as testified by this witness.
256
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Your Honor,
the defendants had the right
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to be tried separately,
258
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but they chose
to stand trial together.
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The motion will be overruled.
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The testimony stands.
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You may step down.
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♪♪
263
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The state calls
Mamie Bradley next.
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♪♪
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[door opens]
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[crowd murmuring]
267
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[gavel bangs]
268
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[solemn music plays]
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♪♪
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-Damn it. Sold out.
-Listen.
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Ain't they got any more chairs
in this godforsaken town?
272
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You know those missing men
I heard about at the dance hall?
273
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They were spotted yesterday,
about 20 miles up the road
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in the Charleston...jail.
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Wait. Hold on.
276
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We gave their names
to Chatham
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so they could be
brought in to testify,
278
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and you're telling me
they ended up in jail?
279
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Charleston jail is in
Sheriff Strider's jurisdiction,
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and we know
he's crooked as hell.
281
00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:04,844
What if he's got them
hidden away in there
282
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so Chatham
can't find them?
283
00:14:06,541 --> 00:14:08,108
BOOKER: Well, the state wraps
up testimony today.
284
00:14:08,238 --> 00:14:09,936
Once they rest, it's over.
285
00:14:10,066 --> 00:14:13,069
We can't introduce
more witnesses.
286
00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,636
Well, I doubt the folks
at the jail would appreciate
287
00:14:14,810 --> 00:14:16,681
the likes of us just waltzing
in there to ask questions.
288
00:14:16,812 --> 00:14:18,858
Well, then we better find
another way to prove it.
289
00:14:18,988 --> 00:14:21,861
[tense music plays]
290
00:14:21,991 --> 00:14:28,084
♪♪
291
00:14:28,215 --> 00:14:30,870
Hi. Excuse me,
can you tell me
292
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how to get to the jail
over in Charleston?
293
00:14:34,134 --> 00:14:36,571
What kind of business
you got down there?
294
00:14:36,701 --> 00:14:37,964
I'm a reporter.
295
00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:40,227
Uh, Dan Wakefield -- I-I write
for The Nation.
296
00:14:40,357 --> 00:14:42,403
Just following up on a tip.
297
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Wondering if there was a --
a bus or some way
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to get out there?
[laughs nervously]
299
00:14:47,495 --> 00:14:49,279
♪♪
300
00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:51,325
Tell you what.
301
00:14:51,455 --> 00:14:53,762
We was fixing to head
out there ourselves.
302
00:14:53,893 --> 00:14:54,937
Why don't you hitch
along with us?
303
00:14:57,070 --> 00:15:01,901
Now, Mamie, will you please
state for the court and jury
304
00:15:02,031 --> 00:15:03,903
whether you were able
to identify the body
305
00:15:04,033 --> 00:15:06,949
you saw at the funeral home
in Chicago?
306
00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,342
Yes, sir.
307
00:15:08,603 --> 00:15:12,302
I positively identified the body
as being that of my son,
308
00:15:12,433 --> 00:15:15,131
Emmett Louis Till.
309
00:15:15,262 --> 00:15:20,963
CHATHAM: Please tell the court
and the jury how
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you looked at it and what
you did in identifying it.
311
00:15:26,099 --> 00:15:30,799
I looked at the face
very carefully.
312
00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:36,109
I looked at the ears
and the forehead
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00:15:36,239 --> 00:15:39,677
and the hairline
and also the hair.
314
00:15:39,808 --> 00:15:46,075
And I looked at the nose
and the lips and his chin.
315
00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:48,599
I just looked at it
all over very thoroughly.
316
00:15:48,730 --> 00:15:51,776
And I knew, definitely,
that was my boy,
317
00:15:51,907 --> 00:15:53,517
beyond a shadow
of a doubt.
318
00:15:53,648 --> 00:15:58,000
Mamie, when your husband,
the father of Emmett Till,
319
00:15:58,131 --> 00:16:01,395
was killed overseas,
were his effects sent to you?
320
00:16:01,525 --> 00:16:02,874
Yes, sir. They were.
321
00:16:03,092 --> 00:16:06,313
I'd like ask you if in those
effects there was a ring?
322
00:16:06,443 --> 00:16:08,315
-Yes, sir --
-Now, Your Honor.
323
00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:10,230
We now object to the testimony
of this witness
324
00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,276
with reference to the effects,
or what is purported to be
325
00:16:13,407 --> 00:16:16,671
the effects of her dead husband
being sent to her,
326
00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:18,064
without showing just who,
when, and how
327
00:16:18,194 --> 00:16:20,718
those effects were sent.
328
00:16:20,849 --> 00:16:22,416
Yes, I believe there would
have to be a prior connection
329
00:16:22,546 --> 00:16:23,765
to identification
of the ring.
330
00:16:23,895 --> 00:16:25,985
Sustained.
331
00:16:26,115 --> 00:16:27,638
Your Honor, we're just trying
to identify the ring
332
00:16:27,769 --> 00:16:28,726
that the boy had on.
333
00:16:29,118 --> 00:16:31,120
You can proceed
a little differently, I believe.
334
00:16:31,251 --> 00:16:33,470
Yes, sir.
335
00:16:34,428 --> 00:16:38,040
Mamie, I will ask you
if your son had a ring
336
00:16:38,171 --> 00:16:39,824
and frequently wore a ring
337
00:16:39,955 --> 00:16:42,349
and if that was sent to you
along with the effects
338
00:16:42,479 --> 00:16:44,133
of your husband that you got?
339
00:16:44,264 --> 00:16:45,830
-Yes, sir.
-We object to that,
340
00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,659
Your Honor, for the reason that
she said the effects were sent
341
00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:50,748
to her that were supposed to
belong to her dead husband,
342
00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:52,750
but it hasn't been shown
in evidence
343
00:16:52,881 --> 00:16:54,535
anything about the identity
of these effects.
344
00:16:54,665 --> 00:16:56,537
The objection is overruled.
345
00:17:00,845 --> 00:17:02,978
[Chatham sighs]
346
00:17:04,023 --> 00:17:06,938
I will now hand you
this ring, Mamie,
347
00:17:07,069 --> 00:17:11,030
with an engraving on it,
"May 25, 1943",
348
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,814
and the large initials
of "L.T.",
349
00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:15,077
and I will ask you
if this ring was sent along
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00:17:15,208 --> 00:17:16,905
with the effects
purported to be
351
00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:18,559
the effects
of your dead husband?
352
00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:19,603
Yes, sir.
353
00:17:19,734 --> 00:17:20,996
What was your husband's name?
354
00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:22,432
Louis Till.
355
00:17:22,563 --> 00:17:25,044
In other words,
his initials were "L.T."?
356
00:17:25,174 --> 00:17:27,002
MAMIE: Yes, sir.
357
00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:28,569
And when you got that ring
in his effects,
358
00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:30,049
what happened to it?
359
00:17:30,179 --> 00:17:32,616
Uh, well, I kept the ring
in a jewelry box.
360
00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:35,837
Before he left for
Mississippi,
361
00:17:35,967 --> 00:17:40,320
Emmett looked in this jewelry
box to get, um, cuff links,
362
00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:42,583
I think it was, and when
he looked in the box there,
363
00:17:42,713 --> 00:17:43,932
he saw this ring.
364
00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:45,847
And he left Chicago with it,
did he?
365
00:17:45,977 --> 00:17:47,022
MAMIE: Yes, sir.
366
00:17:47,370 --> 00:17:48,545
And you definitely saw that
that was the ring
367
00:17:48,676 --> 00:17:49,590
that he left there with?
368
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,113
Yes, sir.
369
00:17:51,244 --> 00:17:52,332
And that was the ring
that he had on him
370
00:17:52,462 --> 00:17:53,768
when he came down here
to Mississippi?
371
00:17:53,898 --> 00:17:55,204
Yes, sir.
372
00:18:04,474 --> 00:18:11,002
Now, Mamie, I have here
some photos
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00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:14,876
taken by the police photographer
shortly after the body
374
00:18:15,006 --> 00:18:18,358
was removed
from the Tallahatchie River.
375
00:18:18,488 --> 00:18:21,361
[solemn music plays]
376
00:18:21,491 --> 00:18:26,888
♪♪
377
00:18:27,018 --> 00:18:31,153
Is that a picture of your son,
Emmett Till?
378
00:18:31,284 --> 00:18:35,723
♪♪
379
00:18:35,853 --> 00:18:39,596
Yes, sir. It is.
380
00:18:39,727 --> 00:18:42,643
Thank you, Mamie.
381
00:18:42,773 --> 00:18:51,042
♪♪
382
00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:59,442
♪♪
383
00:18:59,573 --> 00:19:02,445
[crying]
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00:19:02,576 --> 00:19:09,104
♪♪
385
00:19:12,238 --> 00:19:15,415
Mamie, did you have any life
insurance out on Emmett Till?
386
00:19:15,545 --> 00:19:17,634
We object, Your Honor.
387
00:19:18,983 --> 00:19:20,507
I'm gonna overrule that.
388
00:19:20,637 --> 00:19:23,379
Did you have any
life insurance on him?
389
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:25,512
Yes, sir.
390
00:19:25,642 --> 00:19:27,775
How much insurance
did you have?
391
00:19:27,905 --> 00:19:29,603
About $400.
392
00:19:29,733 --> 00:19:31,779
BRELAND: And how long
had you had these, uh --
393
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:33,433
these policies out on him?
394
00:19:33,563 --> 00:19:36,175
MAMIE: Almost from his birth.
395
00:19:36,305 --> 00:19:38,177
And to whom
were they payable?
396
00:19:38,307 --> 00:19:39,439
We object to that,
Your Honor.
397
00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:41,876
The objection is overruled.
398
00:19:42,006 --> 00:19:45,096
I was the beneficiary of one
of them,
399
00:19:45,227 --> 00:19:46,489
and my mother
was of the other.
400
00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:48,970
And, uh -- And have you
tried to collect on --
401
00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:50,406
on those, uh, payments yet?
402
00:19:50,537 --> 00:19:51,929
We object to that, Your Honor.
403
00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:53,192
That is highly irrelevant.
404
00:19:53,322 --> 00:19:55,759
The objection is overruled.
405
00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:59,807
Have you contacted the insurance
companies about collecting?
406
00:19:59,937 --> 00:20:01,678
Yes, sir.
407
00:20:03,376 --> 00:20:05,247
Now, [clears throat]
408
00:20:05,378 --> 00:20:08,990
was, uh, Emmett ever
in any trouble up in Chicago?
409
00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:10,992
We object to that,
Your Honor. Relevance?
410
00:20:11,122 --> 00:20:12,733
JUDGE SWANGO:
The objection is sustained.
411
00:20:15,388 --> 00:20:17,346
You said you discussed
your son's trip down
412
00:20:17,477 --> 00:20:19,174
to Mississippi
several times with him
413
00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:22,090
before he left Chicago,
is that correct?
414
00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:23,744
MAMIE: Yes, sir.
415
00:20:23,874 --> 00:20:26,007
BRELAND: And did you caution him
how to conduct himself
416
00:20:26,137 --> 00:20:28,531
while he was down here
in Mississippi before he left?
417
00:20:28,662 --> 00:20:30,141
Again -- relevance?
418
00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:31,360
BRELAND: I'll tell you
how it's relevant.
419
00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:34,624
I have an exhibit that I want
the witness to identify.
420
00:20:34,755 --> 00:20:36,104
Your Honor, I think
it's perfectly clear
421
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,323
what he is trying to do,
422
00:20:37,497 --> 00:20:39,020
and I think counsel
should be counseled
423
00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:41,588
to stop asking
more questions like that.
424
00:20:41,718 --> 00:20:43,154
The objection is sustained.
425
00:20:43,285 --> 00:20:44,895
The court would like to ask
the gentlemen of the jury
426
00:20:45,026 --> 00:20:46,288
to step into the jury room
for a moment,
427
00:20:46,419 --> 00:20:48,247
so that we may discuss
this further.
428
00:20:50,466 --> 00:20:53,382
[chairs sliding]
429
00:20:54,035 --> 00:20:55,341
[door opens]
430
00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:58,082
[crowd murmuring]
431
00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:11,574
The court will allow
the defense counsel
432
00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,402
to proceed
with this line of questioning
433
00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,317
without the presence
of the jury.
434
00:21:15,448 --> 00:21:18,189
If counsel can show that the
testimony is indeed relevant,
435
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,584
the court will allow the jury
to hear it repeated.
436
00:21:21,715 --> 00:21:22,672
You may proceed.
437
00:21:22,803 --> 00:21:24,283
Well, thank you,
Your Honor.
438
00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:26,372
[grunts]
439
00:21:26,502 --> 00:21:29,375
Before he left Chicago,
did you caution your son
440
00:21:29,505 --> 00:21:32,073
how to conduct himself
while in Mississippi?
441
00:21:32,203 --> 00:21:34,336
Yes, sir.
442
00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:37,513
Now I have a -- a paper here
where you are quoted.
443
00:21:37,644 --> 00:21:40,386
Listen carefully,
it says --
444
00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:44,781
"I -- I told him several times
before he left for Mississippi
445
00:21:44,912 --> 00:21:49,525
that he should kneel on
the street and beg forgiveness
446
00:21:49,656 --> 00:21:53,660
if he ever insulted
a white man or a white woman."
447
00:21:56,184 --> 00:21:58,926
Now...
448
00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:01,929
Did you, uh, say that to him?
449
00:22:02,059 --> 00:22:03,626
MAMIE: Not those exact words.
450
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:05,933
Then what did you tell him?
451
00:22:06,063 --> 00:22:07,543
Well, I told him he would
have to be very careful
452
00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:09,458
with how he spoke,
453
00:22:09,589 --> 00:22:13,636
to always remember to say
"Yes, sir," and "No, ma'am."
454
00:22:13,767 --> 00:22:16,291
And if ever there was
an incident that would arise
455
00:22:16,422 --> 00:22:19,599
that might be any trouble of any
kind with white people --
456
00:22:19,729 --> 00:22:24,212
um, if he bumped into somebody
on the street, for example,
457
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,345
I told him to go ahead
and humble himself.
458
00:22:26,475 --> 00:22:30,349
BRELAND: Did you specifically
indicate to him and caution him
459
00:22:30,479 --> 00:22:31,959
not to do anything
to a white man
460
00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,656
so as not to bring on
any trouble?
461
00:22:33,787 --> 00:22:34,962
MAMIE: Yes, sir.
462
00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:36,355
BRELAND: Now, while he was
living there in Chicago,
463
00:22:36,485 --> 00:22:38,531
had he been doing anything
to cause you
464
00:22:38,661 --> 00:22:40,184
to give him
that special instruction?
465
00:22:40,315 --> 00:22:44,058
No, sir. Emmett has never been
in any trouble at any time.
466
00:22:44,188 --> 00:22:46,147
BRELAND: And he had never been
in a reform school?
467
00:22:46,277 --> 00:22:47,366
MAMIE: No, sir.
468
00:22:47,583 --> 00:22:48,758
BRELAND: And he had never had
any trouble
469
00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:50,456
in any way
with any white people?
470
00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:52,588
No, sir.
471
00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:54,938
Now, Your Honor, we submit
that the testimony
472
00:22:55,069 --> 00:22:56,244
is indeed relevant,
473
00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:58,594
and that the witness
be permitted to repeat it
474
00:22:58,725 --> 00:23:00,074
in the presence
of the jury.
475
00:23:00,204 --> 00:23:01,945
JUDGE SWANGO: The prior
objections to this portion
476
00:23:02,076 --> 00:23:03,425
of the testimony
will be sustained,
477
00:23:03,686 --> 00:23:06,602
and the testimony will not
be permitted before the jury.
478
00:23:06,733 --> 00:23:09,736
No further questions,
Your Honor.
479
00:23:09,866 --> 00:23:10,998
JUDGE SWANGO: You may step down.
480
00:23:11,128 --> 00:23:18,484
♪♪
481
00:23:18,614 --> 00:23:25,969
♪♪
482
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,231
The state rests.
483
00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:28,972
Your Honor, the defense
would like to call
484
00:23:29,103 --> 00:23:33,194
its first witness,
Sheriff H.C. Strider.
485
00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:35,326
HICKS: We think the Sheriff's
just trying
486
00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:38,329
to keep them from talking,
but if you agree to verify
487
00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:41,289
your husband's identity,
along with Too Tight,
488
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:42,943
we could get authorities
to grant you access
489
00:23:43,073 --> 00:23:46,120
to the jail
and allies to protect you.
490
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,165
You said you were a friend
of Too Tight's.
491
00:23:48,296 --> 00:23:51,908
Ma'am, if your husband
was a witness
492
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:53,649
to Emmett Till's murder,
there are probably a lot
493
00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:55,869
of people who want him dead.
494
00:23:55,999 --> 00:23:57,392
Okay, now, the fact that
he's still alive
495
00:23:57,523 --> 00:23:58,785
means there's still a chance
to save him.
496
00:23:58,915 --> 00:24:01,788
[sighs]
497
00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:05,356
Henry is a good guy.
498
00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:08,708
If he was mixed up in anything
with that boy,
499
00:24:08,838 --> 00:24:11,101
it's because
he had no choice.
500
00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:12,407
We know.
501
00:24:12,581 --> 00:24:13,800
That's why we want to make sure
that the men
502
00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:17,020
who are responsible
are held accountable.
503
00:24:24,158 --> 00:24:25,899
BRELAND: As Sheriff of
Tallahatchie County,
504
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:27,378
have you taken bodies
out of that river
505
00:24:27,509 --> 00:24:28,641
during the summer period,
with weather like we had
506
00:24:28,771 --> 00:24:29,729
here in August?
507
00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:30,817
I have.
508
00:24:30,947 --> 00:24:32,253
And what is your opinion,
509
00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:34,995
based on your past experience,
as to how long
510
00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:36,518
that body
had been in that river?
511
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:38,128
We object to that, Your Honor.
He is not a doctor,
512
00:24:38,259 --> 00:24:42,045
and he is not qualified
to testify about that.
513
00:24:42,176 --> 00:24:45,875
He is not qualified as a doctor,
but I think he is qualified.
514
00:24:46,006 --> 00:24:47,486
Overruled.
515
00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,619
I would say at least 10 days,
if not 15.
516
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:52,403
BRELAND: And when the body
was discovered,
517
00:24:52,534 --> 00:24:54,405
how long had it been since
Emmett Till
518
00:24:54,536 --> 00:24:55,537
was reported missing?
519
00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:56,625
STRIDER: Three days.
520
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:57,800
BRELAND: Could you tell whether
this was
521
00:24:58,061 --> 00:24:59,889
a white person
or a colored person?
522
00:25:00,020 --> 00:25:01,674
STRIDER: The only way you might
able to tell
523
00:25:01,804 --> 00:25:03,763
it was a colored person
would be the hair,
524
00:25:03,893 --> 00:25:06,505
and I have seen white people
have kinky hair.
525
00:25:06,635 --> 00:25:08,028
BRELAND: And was this body
526
00:25:08,158 --> 00:25:12,119
recognizable to be that of
any particular person?
527
00:25:12,249 --> 00:25:17,254
Well, if one of my own boys
had been missing,
528
00:25:17,385 --> 00:25:18,821
I really don't think
I could say
529
00:25:18,952 --> 00:25:21,432
whether it was
my son or not.
530
00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:22,825
Or anyone else's.
531
00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:26,481
I couldn't tell that.
532
00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:28,352
All I could tell...
533
00:25:28,483 --> 00:25:30,224
it was a human being.
534
00:25:30,354 --> 00:25:32,095
Your witness.
535
00:25:40,147 --> 00:25:44,194
CHATHAM: Mr. Strider,
there was a death certificate
536
00:25:44,325 --> 00:25:46,545
prepared for Emmett Till,
was there not?
537
00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:47,720
That's right.
538
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:52,376
And I believe
that you signed
539
00:25:52,507 --> 00:25:53,813
that death certificate,
did you not?
540
00:25:53,943 --> 00:25:55,031
Yes, sir.
541
00:25:55,336 --> 00:25:56,337
CHATHAM: And this
death certificate certified
542
00:25:56,685 --> 00:26:00,515
the fact that this body
was that of Emmett Till,
543
00:26:00,646 --> 00:26:01,647
isn't that correct?
544
00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:03,562
No.
545
00:26:03,692 --> 00:26:06,129
I did not certify
it was Emmett Till.
546
00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:08,697
I said it was a dead body.
547
00:26:08,828 --> 00:26:10,569
I never seen Emmett Till.
548
00:26:10,699 --> 00:26:12,309
I could not swear
it was Emmett Till
549
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,790
because I didn't know
what he looked like.
550
00:26:14,921 --> 00:26:17,619
♪♪
551
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:23,320
Sheriff, have you made
any investigation to find out
552
00:26:23,451 --> 00:26:24,800
whose body that was?
553
00:26:24,931 --> 00:26:27,150
Who that person was?
554
00:26:27,281 --> 00:26:29,544
I sure have.
555
00:26:29,675 --> 00:26:31,764
What efforts have you made
to find out who that body was?
556
00:26:31,894 --> 00:26:35,419
Well, I got reports
of a Negro
557
00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:37,857
who disappeared
over at Lambert.
558
00:26:37,987 --> 00:26:40,076
I went over there,
investigated that,
559
00:26:40,207 --> 00:26:41,991
and one man'd tell you
he saw him,
560
00:26:42,122 --> 00:26:44,254
and another man'd tell you
561
00:26:44,385 --> 00:26:46,605
that someone told him
that they saw him,
562
00:26:46,735 --> 00:26:48,432
and then somebody else'd
tell you
563
00:26:48,563 --> 00:26:50,130
that somebody else
knew something about it,
564
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:52,959
and you'd just end up
right back where you started.
565
00:26:53,089 --> 00:26:54,395
CHATHAM: But you have no
information whatsoever
566
00:26:54,525 --> 00:26:57,616
to indicate whose body that was?
567
00:26:57,746 --> 00:27:02,795
You have not gotten
any information about that?
568
00:27:02,925 --> 00:27:05,101
♪♪
569
00:27:05,232 --> 00:27:07,103
No, I have not.
570
00:27:07,234 --> 00:27:15,068
♪♪
571
00:27:15,198 --> 00:27:16,504
So she agreed to go
to the jail?
572
00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,028
Mm-hmm. As long we can
get her in safely.
573
00:27:19,159 --> 00:27:20,551
Which is where you come in.
574
00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:22,858
We need you to go
to Chatham again.
575
00:27:22,989 --> 00:27:24,555
Get him to authorize
a search
576
00:27:24,686 --> 00:27:26,557
while there's still time
to introduce new witnesses.
577
00:27:26,688 --> 00:27:27,820
The prosecution rested.
578
00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:29,996
They've already moved on
to the defense.
579
00:27:30,126 --> 00:27:33,129
[sighs] Okay, uh...
580
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:34,304
We need to try anyway.
581
00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:36,045
The judge can make
an exception.
582
00:27:36,176 --> 00:27:37,656
We're talking about
two potential eyewitnesses
583
00:27:37,786 --> 00:27:38,744
to the actual murder.
584
00:27:39,005 --> 00:27:41,747
We just need someone
to bring them in.
585
00:27:45,011 --> 00:27:46,316
I'm sorry that you
and your compatriots
586
00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:48,449
went to all that trouble,
Mr. Packton,
587
00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:51,408
but those men are not
in the Charleston jail.
588
00:27:51,539 --> 00:27:52,758
What?
How do you know?
589
00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:55,804
Because I took it upon myself
to have it searched,
590
00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:57,893
along with the jail
in Sunflower County,
591
00:27:58,024 --> 00:27:59,939
right after I received
the letter you passed along
592
00:28:00,069 --> 00:28:01,114
from Dr. Howard.
593
00:28:01,244 --> 00:28:03,290
You suspected
they were being held?
594
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:07,947
No, but there was mention
of two men named Levi Collins
595
00:28:08,077 --> 00:28:09,862
and Henry Lee Loggins
and that they were missing,
596
00:28:09,992 --> 00:28:11,385
so I didn't want to leave
any stone unturned.
597
00:28:11,515 --> 00:28:14,301
Both searches, however,
came up empty,
598
00:28:14,431 --> 00:28:15,606
according to
my investigators,
599
00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:17,957
and both sheriffs
raised hell about it.
600
00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:19,785
But if the men were being
held under false names,
601
00:28:19,915 --> 00:28:22,962
how can you be sure
they weren't there?
602
00:28:23,092 --> 00:28:24,746
Loggins' wife should still
be allowed to check.
603
00:28:24,877 --> 00:28:28,837
My investigators
are thorough,
604
00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:31,100
and butting heads
with Sheriff Strider again
605
00:28:31,231 --> 00:28:33,929
is not going to do
my case any good.
606
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:35,496
Thank you for coming in.
607
00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:39,892
[tense music plays]
608
00:28:40,022 --> 00:28:44,766
♪♪
609
00:28:44,897 --> 00:28:47,160
You know, if this really is
the last case of your career,
610
00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:49,815
you sure you'll be able
to live with yourself,
611
00:28:49,945 --> 00:28:51,338
knowing that you might have let
the only witnesses
612
00:28:51,468 --> 00:28:54,297
to the crime
slip right through your fingers?
613
00:28:54,428 --> 00:29:02,828
♪♪
614
00:29:07,571 --> 00:29:09,399
BRELAND: Mrs. Bryant,
I direct your attention
615
00:29:09,530 --> 00:29:10,749
to Wednesday night,
616
00:29:10,879 --> 00:29:12,185
the 24th of August.
617
00:29:12,315 --> 00:29:13,795
Who was in the store
with you that night?
618
00:29:13,926 --> 00:29:15,449
CHATHAM: If the court pleases,
we object
619
00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:17,407
to anything that happened
on that evening
620
00:29:17,538 --> 00:29:19,758
unless it is connected
to the crime in question,
621
00:29:19,888 --> 00:29:22,499
which began on Sunday morning,
the 28th.
622
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:24,588
Well, we will connect it.
623
00:29:28,723 --> 00:29:30,638
The court would ask the jury
to retire
624
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:31,770
to the jury room for a moment.
625
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,338
[chairs sliding, shuffling]
626
00:29:49,048 --> 00:29:53,095
Now, the court will permit both
sides to address the question
627
00:29:53,226 --> 00:29:54,357
as to whether or not
this testimony
628
00:29:54,488 --> 00:29:57,230
will be permissible
before the jury.
629
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,102
[clears throat]
Your Honor, the state argued
630
00:30:00,233 --> 00:30:02,104
that one of the men
who came to the home
631
00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:05,020
of Mose Wright on August 28th
wanted to see the boy
632
00:30:05,151 --> 00:30:06,500
who did the talking at Money.
633
00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:09,503
Now, the state raised inferences
which the defendants believe
634
00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:14,160
they are entitled to explain
and to show what happened.
635
00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:16,379
And further, we believe that
these occurrences are a part
636
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:19,818
of what the state alleges
is one entire transaction --
637
00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:21,950
the beginning and the inception
of the incident.
638
00:30:22,081 --> 00:30:24,648
And as much, the occurrences
there on that occasion
639
00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:26,128
are a part of
the res gestae --
640
00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:29,044
the circumstances --
which relate to the case.
641
00:30:29,175 --> 00:30:30,741
And as such, the defendants
should be permitted
642
00:30:30,872 --> 00:30:33,179
to offer testimony
in that particular.
643
00:30:33,309 --> 00:30:36,965
CHATHAM: Our proof started
with the occurrences
644
00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:39,663
early Sunday morning,
when two or more persons
645
00:30:39,794 --> 00:30:42,057
came to Mose Wright's house
to get the boy.
646
00:30:42,188 --> 00:30:46,148
We offered no proof
of anything prior,
647
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,194
and Mrs. Bryant wasn't brought
into this whatsoever.
648
00:30:48,324 --> 00:30:50,674
And I think I can say that
649
00:30:50,805 --> 00:30:53,852
her name was never
mentioned in this case.
650
00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:55,549
Your Honor, the Supreme Court
of Mississippi
651
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,856
has many times held
that former difficulties
652
00:30:57,986 --> 00:31:01,033
between parties cannot be
brought in as evidence.
653
00:31:01,163 --> 00:31:03,296
And further, we contend that
anything that happened
654
00:31:03,426 --> 00:31:06,429
down there is no justification
for murder anyway.
655
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,954
Your Honor, I would like
to call attention to the fact
656
00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:10,129
that the Supreme Court
657
00:31:10,607 --> 00:31:12,305
has ruled that an incident
may be separated by days,
658
00:31:12,435 --> 00:31:17,832
and by weeks even, but if they
can be connected as part
659
00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:19,399
or partial
of a man's transaction,
660
00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:20,879
then it doesn't mean
that these things
661
00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:22,968
must all happen
right together.
662
00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:26,275
[clears throat]
663
00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:31,063
Gentlemen, the court is of
the opinion
664
00:31:31,193 --> 00:31:32,586
that the testimony
being offered here
665
00:31:32,803 --> 00:31:35,415
pertains to an incident
prior to the crime in question.
666
00:31:35,545 --> 00:31:38,244
Therefore, it is
not admissible for the jury.
667
00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:41,334
[crowd murmuring]
668
00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:45,468
[murmuring quiets]
669
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,253
BRELAND: Your Honor, we still
would like to develop
670
00:31:47,383 --> 00:31:49,211
this testimony
for the sake of the record.
671
00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:54,913
The court will allow it,
for the sake of the record,
672
00:31:55,043 --> 00:31:56,915
not for the jury.
673
00:31:57,045 --> 00:31:59,569
You may proceed.
674
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:00,701
Mrs. Bryant,
675
00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:04,400
on Wednesday evening,
the 24th day of August, 1955,
676
00:32:04,531 --> 00:32:08,013
did an incident occur
which made an impression on you?
677
00:32:08,143 --> 00:32:10,798
Yes.
678
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:13,496
And just tell the court
what happened there at the time,
679
00:32:13,627 --> 00:32:15,194
please, ma'am.
680
00:32:16,891 --> 00:32:18,937
This nigger man
came in the store
681
00:32:19,067 --> 00:32:20,677
and stopped there
at the candy case.
682
00:32:20,808 --> 00:32:22,810
BRELAND: Now, when this Negro
man came in the store,
683
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:24,116
where were you in the store?
684
00:32:24,246 --> 00:32:25,204
CAROLYN: I was farther back
685
00:32:25,378 --> 00:32:27,728
in the store,
behind the counter.
686
00:32:27,858 --> 00:32:30,513
Now, what transpired up there
at the candy counter?
687
00:32:33,255 --> 00:32:34,604
I asked him what he wanted.
688
00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:35,997
-And did he tell you?
-Yes.
689
00:32:36,215 --> 00:32:37,956
BRELAND: And after you got
the merchandise for him,
690
00:32:38,086 --> 00:32:39,044
what did you do?
691
00:32:39,392 --> 00:32:40,959
CAROLYN: I held out my hand
for his money.
692
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,873
And which hand
did you hold out?
693
00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:44,179
My right hand.
694
00:32:44,527 --> 00:32:46,703
Will you show the court
how you held your hand out?
695
00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:52,492
And did he give you
the money?
696
00:32:55,147 --> 00:32:57,105
-No.
-What did he do?
697
00:32:57,236 --> 00:32:59,020
He caught my hand.
698
00:32:59,151 --> 00:33:01,153
[crowd murmuring]
699
00:33:01,283 --> 00:33:03,285
[gavel bangs]
700
00:33:03,416 --> 00:33:04,895
[murmuring quiets]
701
00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:06,158
BRELAND: Now, will you, uh --
702
00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:08,334
will you show the court
how he grasped your hand?
703
00:33:09,596 --> 00:33:11,815
[crowd murmuring]
704
00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,122
And was that a-a strong grip
or a light grip
705
00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:15,994
he had when he, uh,
held your hand?
706
00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:18,387
CAROLYN: A strong grip.
707
00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:20,607
BRELAND: Hmm.
How'd you get loose?
708
00:33:20,737 --> 00:33:24,132
Well, I-I jerked it loose,
like this.
709
00:33:24,263 --> 00:33:26,830
[crowd murmuring, gavel banging]
710
00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:28,658
Quiet! Quiet!
711
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:31,009
BRELAND: And was it with that
much difficulty
712
00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:32,749
that you -- that you got loose?
713
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,837
Yes.
714
00:33:33,968 --> 00:33:36,971
[inhales deeply]
715
00:33:37,102 --> 00:33:40,844
And just what did he say
when he grabbed your hand?
716
00:33:40,975 --> 00:33:46,198
He said, "How about a date,
baby?"
717
00:33:46,328 --> 00:33:47,416
[crowd murmuring]
718
00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:49,027
-Quiet!
-[gavel banging]
719
00:33:49,157 --> 00:33:50,811
-Quiet!
-CHATHAM: Your Honor!
720
00:33:50,941 --> 00:33:53,422
Your Honor!
721
00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:55,076
JUDGE SWANGO: That is enough.
722
00:33:55,207 --> 00:33:56,773
[gavel banging]
723
00:33:56,904 --> 00:33:59,863
That's enough.
724
00:33:59,994 --> 00:34:01,604
[crowd murmuring quietly]
725
00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:08,742
And when you freed yourself,
what did you do then?
726
00:34:11,484 --> 00:34:14,400
Well, I turned and tried to get
to the back of the store,
727
00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:17,968
but he came at me
and caught me by the register.
728
00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:22,538
Mrs. Bryant,
will you stand up
729
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:27,108
and put my hands
just where he grasped you?
730
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,676
Will --
Will you show the court?
731
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,288
[suspenseful music plays]
732
00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:38,641
♪♪
733
00:34:38,772 --> 00:34:43,994
♪♪
734
00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:46,171
[crowd murmuring,
gavel banging]
735
00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:47,737
JUDGE SWANGO: Order!
736
00:34:47,868 --> 00:34:49,087
BRELAND: In other words,
with his, uh --
737
00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:53,003
his left arm
around your back?
738
00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:57,704
A-And his right hand
on your hip?
739
00:34:57,834 --> 00:34:59,445
[gavel bangs]
740
00:34:59,575 --> 00:35:01,011
JUDGE SWANGO: Order.
741
00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:02,404
Yes.
742
00:35:02,535 --> 00:35:04,667
Uh-huh. Um...
743
00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:07,279
♪♪
744
00:35:07,409 --> 00:35:10,064
Please.
745
00:35:10,195 --> 00:35:18,507
♪♪
746
00:35:18,638 --> 00:35:22,990
And did he say anything to you
at that time
747
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:25,166
when he grabbed you there?
748
00:35:25,297 --> 00:35:29,170
Yes. He said, "What's
the matter, baby?
749
00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:30,476
Can't you take it?"
750
00:35:30,606 --> 00:35:33,218
BRELAND: He said,
"What's the matter, baby?
751
00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:35,394
Can't you take it?"
752
00:35:35,524 --> 00:35:38,223
CAROLYN: Yes.
753
00:35:38,353 --> 00:35:41,704
And did you then
try to free yourself?
754
00:35:41,835 --> 00:35:43,184
-Yes.
-And was it difficult?
755
00:35:43,315 --> 00:35:45,708
Did you succeed
in freeing yourself?
756
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:46,970
[voice breaking] Yes.
757
00:35:47,362 --> 00:35:49,756
And did he say anything further
to you at that time?
758
00:35:49,886 --> 00:35:52,150
Yes. He said...[sobs]
759
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,544
"You needn't be afraid of me."
760
00:35:55,675 --> 00:36:00,332
And -- And did he then use, uh,
language that you don't use?
761
00:36:00,462 --> 00:36:01,550
-Yes.
-Hmm.
762
00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:04,597
And can you tell the court
763
00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:07,774
what that word begins with --
764
00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:10,864
what letter it begins with?
765
00:36:10,994 --> 00:36:13,432
♪♪
766
00:36:13,562 --> 00:36:16,565
Oh, in other words,
is it an unprintable word?
767
00:36:16,696 --> 00:36:18,524
♪♪
768
00:36:18,654 --> 00:36:19,568
Yes.
769
00:36:19,699 --> 00:36:20,961
BRELAND: And did he say anything
770
00:36:21,091 --> 00:36:23,833
after that one unprintable word?
771
00:36:23,964 --> 00:36:25,966
♪♪
772
00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:28,098
CAROLYN: Yes, he said,
773
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:30,449
well...[sobs]
774
00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:31,972
"With white women before."
775
00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:33,278
[crowd murmuring]
776
00:36:33,408 --> 00:36:36,890
BRELAND: Something to the effect
that he had been
777
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:39,675
with white women before?
778
00:36:39,806 --> 00:36:42,330
CAROLYN: Yes.
779
00:36:42,461 --> 00:36:45,203
BRELAND: And after you, uh,
freed yourself from him,
780
00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:47,901
what did you do then?
781
00:36:48,031 --> 00:36:50,120
♪♪
782
00:36:50,251 --> 00:36:52,122
CAROLYN: Well, this other nigger
came in and grabbed him
783
00:36:52,253 --> 00:36:55,343
by the arm and told him to
"come on," and, "let's go."
784
00:36:55,474 --> 00:36:57,040
BRELAND: Did he go, uh,
willingly or unwillingly?
785
00:36:57,171 --> 00:37:00,043
Unwillingly.
786
00:37:00,174 --> 00:37:02,002
And did he say
anything further to you
787
00:37:02,132 --> 00:37:06,572
after he had said
these obscene remarks?
788
00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:10,271
CAROLYN: Yes. He turned
and said, "Goodbye."
789
00:37:10,402 --> 00:37:12,186
BRELAND:
And what did you do then?
790
00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:15,755
CAROLYN: I ran out the door
to go to the car.
791
00:37:15,885 --> 00:37:16,799
BRELAND: Which car?
792
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:17,974
Mrs. Milam's.
793
00:37:18,279 --> 00:37:19,280
BRELAND: And what did you go
to the car for?
794
00:37:19,411 --> 00:37:20,455
To get the pistol.
795
00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:21,630
-CROWD: That's right!
-Yeah!
796
00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:22,979
[gavel bangs]
797
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:25,547
[indistinct conversations]
798
00:37:25,678 --> 00:37:27,897
[gavel bangs]
799
00:37:28,028 --> 00:37:30,248
[clears throat]
800
00:37:30,378 --> 00:37:31,597
As you went through the door
and went to the car,
801
00:37:31,727 --> 00:37:34,164
did you see this man again?
802
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:35,601
CAROLYN: Yes.
803
00:37:35,818 --> 00:37:37,733
BRELAND: And did he say or do
anything at that time?
804
00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:41,389
[weakly] He whistled.
805
00:37:42,999 --> 00:37:46,525
BRELAND: Can you make a sound
something like the whistle
806
00:37:46,655 --> 00:37:48,091
he made there?
807
00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:49,267
Hmm?
808
00:37:49,397 --> 00:37:51,617
Well, was it something
like this?
809
00:37:51,747 --> 00:37:53,140
[wolf whistles]
810
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:55,534
[crowd groans]
811
00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:57,362
CAROLYN: Yes.
812
00:37:57,492 --> 00:37:59,668
BRELAND: After you got
your pistol, Mrs. Bryant,
813
00:37:59,799 --> 00:38:01,061
where was this boy then?
814
00:38:01,191 --> 00:38:04,325
Or I should say --
where was this man?
815
00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:07,459
CAROLYN: When I turned around,
he was getting in a car
816
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:09,504
down the road.
817
00:38:09,635 --> 00:38:11,985
BRELAND: Mrs. Bryant...
818
00:38:14,509 --> 00:38:17,686
...what sort of impression
did this occurrence make on you?
819
00:38:17,817 --> 00:38:20,428
♪♪
820
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,691
I was just scared to death.
821
00:38:22,822 --> 00:38:25,955
♪♪
822
00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:29,481
Your Honor, we submit that
the testimony's relevant
823
00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,310
to remove from the minds
of the jury the impression
824
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,835
that nothing but talk
had occurred in Money.
825
00:38:35,965 --> 00:38:39,665
♪♪
826
00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,842
It remains the opinion
of this court
827
00:38:42,972 --> 00:38:45,453
that the evidence
is not admissible.
828
00:38:45,584 --> 00:38:48,151
-Therefore...
-[crowd murmuring]
829
00:38:48,282 --> 00:38:50,937
I will have order!
830
00:38:51,067 --> 00:38:54,854
Therefore, the jury will not
hear this testimony.
831
00:38:54,984 --> 00:38:56,595
[crowd murmuring]
832
00:38:56,725 --> 00:38:58,466
[gavel banging]
833
00:38:58,597 --> 00:39:01,339
[indistinct conversations]
834
00:39:01,469 --> 00:39:03,166
That's enough.
835
00:39:03,297 --> 00:39:09,869
♪♪
836
00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:16,658
♪♪
837
00:39:21,924 --> 00:39:23,186
MAMIE:
How dare that woman!
838
00:39:23,491 --> 00:39:25,667
How dare she swear on
a Holy Bible to tell the truth,
839
00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:28,757
only to -- to spout horrific
lies about a child!
840
00:39:28,888 --> 00:39:32,065
A child that she knows
is dead because of her!
841
00:39:32,195 --> 00:39:34,807
A child they strategically
referred to as a "man".
842
00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:36,983
Those lawyers never even
showed her a picture of Bo.
843
00:39:37,113 --> 00:39:38,114
DR. HOWARD: That was deliberate.
844
00:39:38,637 --> 00:39:40,595
On one hand, Bryant and Milam
claim they let him go
845
00:39:40,726 --> 00:39:41,727
because it wasn't the boy
from the store.
846
00:39:41,857 --> 00:39:42,858
On the other hand,
847
00:39:42,989 --> 00:39:43,946
the wife says it was,
848
00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:45,165
so he deserved what he got.
849
00:39:45,295 --> 00:39:46,732
It doesn't make sense.
850
00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:49,430
None of it does.
851
00:39:49,561 --> 00:39:52,259
Every word of it was a lie!
852
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:55,218
And -- And the whistling,
on top of everything else!
853
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:58,134
My -- My son would never whistle
at a white woman.
854
00:39:58,265 --> 00:39:59,788
I taught him better.
855
00:39:59,919 --> 00:40:02,095
At least the judge kept the jury
from hearing those theatrics.
856
00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:08,318
The only reason he would whistle
is because of his stutter.
857
00:40:08,449 --> 00:40:11,626
I taught him to do that
if he got stuck on a word.
858
00:40:11,757 --> 00:40:14,063
So even if he did whistle,
859
00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:16,239
he wouldn't have been
whistling at her.
860
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:18,894
Sweetheart, what difference
does it make?
861
00:40:19,025 --> 00:40:21,419
It still doesn't justify
what they did to him.
862
00:40:23,899 --> 00:40:28,600
I tried so hard to say
the right things in there
863
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:31,124
and to act the right way.
864
00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:33,909
None of it even mattered,
did it?
865
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,737
Nothing I said could have
changed a thing,
866
00:40:35,868 --> 00:40:38,218
because they were
never going to listen.
867
00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:41,874
And I was a fool to hope
that they would.
868
00:40:42,004 --> 00:40:44,659
♪♪
869
00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:49,708
♪♪
870
00:40:49,838 --> 00:40:52,711
[indistinct conversations]
871
00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:54,190
♪♪
872
00:40:54,321 --> 00:40:55,453
Whiskey neat, please.
873
00:40:55,583 --> 00:40:57,063
Double.
874
00:40:57,193 --> 00:41:04,940
♪♪
875
00:41:05,071 --> 00:41:06,899
[liquid pouring]
876
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:10,555
[glass taps]
877
00:41:10,685 --> 00:41:14,341
♪♪
878
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,212
MAN:
Then he chased her down,
879
00:41:16,343 --> 00:41:19,868
grabbed her
right around the waist,
880
00:41:19,999 --> 00:41:21,566
and he surely would have done
much worse, too,
881
00:41:21,696 --> 00:41:23,219
if she'd not had
the courage to fight back.
882
00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:24,656
Thank God she did.
883
00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:27,659
The next girl might not be
so lucky, though.
884
00:41:27,789 --> 00:41:30,357
The fact of the matter is that
the threat from the north
885
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,794
is greater now
than ever before.
886
00:41:32,925 --> 00:41:35,449
Which is why we must come
together and pledge our lives,
887
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,538
our fortunes,
and our sacred honors
888
00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:41,368
so that our way of life
is not destroyed.
889
00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:44,327
And if those two boys
are convicted tomorrow,
890
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:50,638
by God, it will be destroyed,
and all of us with it.
891
00:41:50,769 --> 00:41:59,995
♪♪
892
00:42:00,126 --> 00:42:02,998
[crying]
893
00:42:03,129 --> 00:42:08,264
♪♪
894
00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:09,527
[sniffles]
895
00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:15,837
♪♪
896
00:42:15,968 --> 00:42:16,969
[exclaims]
897
00:42:17,099 --> 00:42:19,667
♪♪
898
00:42:19,798 --> 00:42:23,584
[shrieking]
899
00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:25,238
♪♪
900
00:42:25,368 --> 00:42:28,241
[sobbing]
901
00:42:28,371 --> 00:42:32,245
♪♪
902
00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:35,248
[breathing shakily]
903
00:42:35,378 --> 00:42:44,257
♪♪
904
00:42:44,387 --> 00:42:53,222
♪♪
905
00:42:53,353 --> 00:42:54,876
[sniffles]
906
00:42:55,007 --> 00:43:02,144
♪♪
907
00:43:02,275 --> 00:43:09,412
♪♪
908
00:43:09,543 --> 00:43:11,937
[crying]
909
00:43:12,067 --> 00:43:19,988
♪♪
910
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,991
[sobs]
911
00:43:23,122 --> 00:43:25,472
♪♪
912
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,301
[whimpers]
913
00:43:28,431 --> 00:43:32,566
♪♪
914
00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:33,741
[wails]
915
00:43:33,872 --> 00:43:38,616
♪♪
916
00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:41,619
[fire crackling]
917
00:43:41,749 --> 00:43:48,756
♪♪
918
00:43:48,887 --> 00:43:55,937
♪♪
919
00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:58,940
[indistinct conversations]
920
00:43:59,071 --> 00:44:04,511
♪♪
921
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:10,169
♪♪
922
00:44:10,219 --> 00:44:14,769
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