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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:11,539 [Music] 2 00:00:14,210 --> 00:00:42,759 [Music] 3 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,840 oh 4 00:00:52,879 --> 00:00:59,690 come on 5 00:00:59,690 --> 00:01:07,290 [Music] 6 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:27,710 go away run on anything okay come on 7 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:31,120 [Applause] 8 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:37,840 [Music] 9 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:41,359 [Applause] 10 00:01:54,470 --> 00:01:57,569 [Music] 11 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,159 look i know what you hear out there but 12 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,320 drugs aren't cool 13 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,840 cigarettes aren't cool and alcohol isn't 14 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,000 cool 15 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,598 one hit of kraken you can be hooked for 16 00:02:09,598 --> 00:02:11,440 life 17 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,319 nicotine will give you lung cancer 18 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:15,920 alcohol will wrap that car you work so 19 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:19,200 hard to earn around a telephone pole 20 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,239 now thanks 21 00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:23,520 let's hit some of the miss that you're 22 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,520 hearing out in the parking lot 23 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,760 officer yeah i never hit on any myths 24 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,319 before 25 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:31,720 am i gonna get hooked 26 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,680 [Music] 27 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,360 oh mr safe stew it's a reality you got 28 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,000 to watch out for 29 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,959 dear god for what we're about to receive 30 00:02:42,959 --> 00:02:44,720 make us truly thankful 31 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,160 keep mom and dad and teddy and rex safe 32 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,519 and lead the seahawks safely out of the 33 00:02:49,519 --> 00:02:52,400 second division amen 34 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,360 the blue item on the top of your head 35 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,040 thank you 36 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,959 you stopped by the car place today yeah 37 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:02,480 sign said body shot the guys were all 38 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,400 wearing rolexes great 39 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,200 i'll make a few more phone calls you 40 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,480 know i 41 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,720 stopped by the teacher's lounge today 42 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,239 unwinding after another grueling day 43 00:03:12,239 --> 00:03:13,360 behind the slide projector 44 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,360 hey watch yourself young man 45 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,720 brandon cassidy said you were fighting 46 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,720 over cigarettes 47 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,080 yeah i led with my jaw again forget it 48 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:33,760 maybe excused 49 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,840 kendra i'm the chairperson for the tiny 50 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,760 tots fundraiser this year i know we got 51 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:38,560 the invitation 52 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,840 it should be a fun evening helen we'd 53 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,239 love to do something for the school but 54 00:03:44,239 --> 00:03:46,640 i just started temping again and roger 55 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,640 isn't much of a dancer 56 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,920 maybe i can hit you up for the garage 57 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,040 sale display great to feel good 58 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,200 you know who turned me down flat who 59 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,120 miriam slosper 60 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,159 josh's mom sunday night she gets alex up 61 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:01,920 out of bed at 2 a.m he meets them at the 62 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,720 er 63 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,000 you know what it was gonorrhea 64 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:15,840 it was josh 65 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:29,840 okay 66 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,120 roger 67 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,320 i think i'm in love who's she 68 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,479 miriam schlossberg about tiny todd 69 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:52,880 she wanted to file a complaint to talk 70 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,360 her out of it kind of complain 71 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,600 would you believe sodomy she had nothing 72 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,960 but the kid's word on it 73 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,840 don't you think it ought to be 74 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,960 investigated and it's our kid's school 75 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,479 the chief has known the richardsons for 76 00:05:04,479 --> 00:05:06,000 25 years 77 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,240 believe me they're solid want another 78 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,000 real story 79 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,199 slashburg just broke up with her 80 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:13,759 boyfriend you run some sort of art 81 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,919 gallery in portland 82 00:05:15,919 --> 00:05:18,800 mrs richardson thanks he raped josh did 83 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,880 you talk to this guy 84 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,800 i called a buddy of mine advice they're 85 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,720 checking them out what happens at tiny 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,320 tower while they're checking 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,759 innocent until proven guilty 88 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,919 come on how about this new teacher 89 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:37,759 george olin took a voluntary blood test 90 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:41,199 no trace of any form of vdd 91 00:05:44,030 --> 00:05:47,080 [Music] 92 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,360 about five minutes perfect dr wells 93 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,479 redid all the tests 94 00:05:52,479 --> 00:05:55,360 there was no screw-up well can you get 95 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,520 gonorrhea any other way 96 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,240 that i know of 97 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,440 the only place josh goes is tiny tot 98 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,919 it's a preschool from crying out loud 99 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:19,919 it's got to be a reasonable explanation 100 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:21,120 youtube dinner's almost 101 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,120 ready linda you want to go wash your 102 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,440 hair 103 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:34,479 bear is anything you want to tell me 104 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:36,479 about 105 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:40,080 nope like about school 106 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,080 no what are we having for dinner 107 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,199 hamburgers 108 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:48,639 pickles baby dolls kind of like yummy 109 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,280 or josh is sick has he been at school 110 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:52,479 nope 111 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:53,680 do any of the teachers make you 112 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,160 uncomfortable 113 00:06:57,039 --> 00:07:00,639 no they're nice how about mr george 114 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:04,400 he plays baseball with us does anyone 115 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,160 at school touch you in a bad way 116 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,240 like we talked about like that 117 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,680 nope oh 118 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:18,880 you guys want to eat these kind of 119 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,440 swings all right 120 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,759 that's good 121 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,080 to talk to melinda she loves school 122 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,759 everything's great 123 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:35,120 did you talk to teddy yeah he's fine 124 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:45,840 i could tell if there was something 125 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,360 mrs schlossberg officially 126 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,080 i'm not here 127 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:59,120 but unofficially you want to see if you 128 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,039 buy well i've been doing some research 129 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:03,199 sexual abuse in preschools is very very 130 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:04,960 rare really then why do the police want 131 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,240 to cover it up when it actually don't 132 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,240 happen nobody wants to cover anything up 133 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,520 the chief has been playing golf with the 134 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,440 richardsons for years 135 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,919 a lot of questions the other detective 136 00:08:13,919 --> 00:08:15,039 asked 137 00:08:15,039 --> 00:08:19,520 not a detective just a parent 138 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,599 okay then as a parent 139 00:08:25,599 --> 00:08:29,680 what about you what do you believe 140 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,159 well i guess i have a lot of trouble 141 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:36,880 stomaching the idea that any 142 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,279 grown-up wants to have sex with a child 143 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:40,000 what they're saying 144 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,320 about me isn't true okay i don't have 145 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,159 any boyfriends 146 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,839 i wish that i did well 147 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:49,279 couldn't been george old and he doesn't 148 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:52,000 have the disease it happened during nap 149 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,760 time they gave josh something funny 150 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,920 tasting they put it in his fruit juice 151 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,680 he woke up in the back of a van now he 152 00:08:57,680 --> 00:08:59,600 was groggy but he still remembers them 153 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,880 taking him oh 154 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,480 the richardson's the chief's golfing 155 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,800 buddies drove my son to a motel room 156 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,440 there was a man there that josh didn't 157 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,600 know 158 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,720 he was very fat 159 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,240 he took pictures of josh 160 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:23,839 is that all 161 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,279 fat man raped him 162 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,000 so you're not saying that the 163 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 richardson's had sex with josh 164 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,880 the richardson's watched 165 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,640 all right look our investigation didn't 166 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,000 locate a van 167 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,160 josh is the only kid who's told a story 168 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,560 like this 169 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,800 could your son make up something like 170 00:09:48,839 --> 00:09:51,839 this 171 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:05,839 give us 10 minutes 172 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:21,190 [Music] 173 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:24,250 [Applause] 174 00:10:24,250 --> 00:10:33,090 [Music] 175 00:10:35,150 --> 00:10:47,320 [Music] 176 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:14,870 hmm 177 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:18,049 [Music] 178 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:30,160 hi can i help you oh yes um i was just 179 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,120 wondering if i 180 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,360 could visit my son's class oh sure 181 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,160 what's his name 182 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,240 teddy dollison i think he's in mavis 183 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,240 cliff yeah they're still out in the yard 184 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,120 oh great um we haven't met yet i'm 185 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,000 kendra dollison 186 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:57,839 oh george olin i'll show you 187 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,160 hi arthur i think he's over there thank 188 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,320 you 189 00:12:05,839 --> 00:12:11,839 hi bear hi mom is 190 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,279 i decided to stop by and see how teddy's 191 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:22,720 doing if that's okay with you 192 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,399 of course it is there you go titty 193 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,240 getting lots of good feedback at home 194 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:30,639 well 195 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,720 teddy seems a little bored with school i 196 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,760 hear that all the time 197 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,440 why aren't they reading what about their 198 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,160 timetables 199 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,440 i'm not complaining so you have to 200 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,120 realize the important thing right now 201 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,600 is socialization and you don't have 202 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,120 anything to worry about as far as teddy 203 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,000 is concerned 204 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:53,440 he's making lots of friends that's good 205 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,000 everybody seems to be having a good time 206 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,279 no it's a little surprised to find the 207 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,440 front door lock 208 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,720 you never know who's going to walk in 209 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,639 off the street 210 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:04,839 come on let me show you some of teddy's 211 00:13:04,839 --> 00:13:06,540 artwork 212 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:10,160 [Music] 213 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,040 so any news on the collision shop front 214 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:13,600 yeah 215 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,680 otto's golden hammer we'll do it for 216 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:17,600 1800 bucks 217 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,839 for bodywork orthodontics 218 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:27,600 so how was school boring boring 219 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:31,519 honey did anybody unusual ever pick josh 220 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,839 up after 221 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:36,720 huh well like maybe somebody josh's mom 222 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:37,279 was saying 223 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:40,160 mom he said no 224 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:46,959 i have to eat all these carrots well you 225 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:48,480 want to hit home runs 226 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,920 but we can't swim by me catches me uh-uh 227 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,199 catcher's mitch you've got to eat 228 00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:56,160 parsnips teddy 229 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,399 are there any new men teachers at school 230 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:00,160 mom what is it with you 231 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,880 you don't believe anything teddy says of 232 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,880 course i do i'm just interested in 233 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,959 school 234 00:14:06,959 --> 00:14:10,959 parents gotta watch him ted 235 00:14:10,959 --> 00:14:12,399 jeff whitbeck's mom took him into the 236 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:14,560 drug store to discuss condoms 237 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:17,519 she didn't well she did then she cut off 238 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:18,720 his allowance when he knew what aisle 239 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,199 they were in 240 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,820 [Music] 241 00:14:25,839 --> 00:14:28,480 turn it off sandy then against the 242 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,839 national geographic society 243 00:14:32,450 --> 00:14:33,600 [Music] 244 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,040 since when did bob hope start doing 245 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,199 national geographic specials 246 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:40,000 brook shield is an educated woman she's 247 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,360 cuter than you are honey 248 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,880 from you princeton's going to expect 249 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,839 homework 250 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,959 okay mr time for bed 251 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,240 robbie what happened to you 252 00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:06,130 [Music] 253 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,120 are you sure there isn't anything you 254 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,839 want to tell mommy 255 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,399 okay at school so the kitchens might 256 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:18,160 only cost thirty dollars 257 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,720 he did 258 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:27,839 a little bear what about a first baseman 259 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:30,000 you would tell mommy if i like school i 260 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,040 like boring stuff 261 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:41,839 nice meeting good night mom 262 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:47,199 hey i'm gonna go to the cash machine so 263 00:15:47,199 --> 00:15:48,399 you guys can just surprise me and 264 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:48,959 remember 265 00:15:48,959 --> 00:15:51,279 no fast food he gets to pick the place 266 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:52,839 he likes all right 267 00:15:52,839 --> 00:16:09,839 okay see ya 268 00:16:20,839 --> 00:16:23,839 is 269 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:34,839 [Music] 270 00:16:34,839 --> 00:16:37,839 is 271 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:48,000 [Music] 272 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,480 sweetheart 273 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:59,600 [Music] 274 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,320 oh thanks guy what are you guys doing 275 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,319 here huh what 276 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:07,839 why is linda here dad what's going on 277 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:10,319 why are teddy's teachers here is melinda 278 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,240 going to jail 279 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,039 oh we don't put kids in jail dad what 280 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:16,319 you saying 281 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:17,520 why don't you guys go away in the 282 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,079 interrogation okay sandy can you do a 283 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,319 shot 284 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:33,840 hi teddy 285 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,000 is melinda gonna have to wear handcuffs 286 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,440 dad told you they don't arrest little 287 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,520 kids 288 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,720 why is she still here 289 00:17:48,720 --> 00:18:01,840 paul's taking her home 290 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,640 teddy honey 291 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,559 wake up teddy wake up honey 292 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:23,520 i need to talk to you 293 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,679 you've got to tell me the truth bear 294 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:30,880 what melinda said happened at school did 295 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,440 you see it 296 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,760 honey look at me teddy look at me 297 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,799 did you see anyone do anything bad to 298 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:45,280 melinda 299 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,120 the teachers are nice mom did you see 300 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:52,080 anyone hurt any of the kids any of the 301 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,640 kids at all 302 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,840 no 303 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,480 good night little bear 304 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,160 what happens if melinda wakes up 305 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,440 tomorrow and changes her story what 306 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,200 happens melinda isn't making up a story 307 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:30,640 tiny time has been open for years why 308 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,000 would the richardson suddenly start 309 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,120 something like that okay 310 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,640 okay so what's it gonna take to get you 311 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,240 to believe the kids i'm the one who 312 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,679 believes 313 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:39,520 teddy says that josh and melinda are 314 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,120 making up a story i believe myself 315 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,840 i'm not being rational there's don't 316 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,880 talk to me about 317 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,640 rational people don't do things like 318 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,320 this to children okay so 319 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,320 it's a coincidence that this that josh 320 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,760 melinda's make up stories 321 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,600 that the exact same four people molested 322 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,799 and teddy didn't know 323 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:56,400 melinda said it's been happening for a 324 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,400 long time in a small house 325 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,840 how could he not have known then why 326 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,799 won't he tell me about it 327 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,840 i don't know 328 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,120 when you think a four-year-old could 329 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:18,159 make something like that up 330 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:21,840 you know about the baby powder 331 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:48,880 get dressed teddy and beth will show you 332 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,240 the toy drawing 333 00:20:50,240 --> 00:21:03,840 come on teddy 334 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,880 his blood tests are all normal 335 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,679 so he's all right 336 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,080 they're laceration scars on his rectum 337 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,000 the scars could come from a lot of 338 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,799 things kendra 339 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,840 daddy's been raped 340 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,960 well if you've been through what teddy's 341 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,080 been through would you want to tell 342 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,679 people about it 343 00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:49,919 dr billington we're his parents it's 344 00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:51,039 been six weeks 345 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:53,039 he's making real progress in this 346 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,080 therapy 347 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,520 i mean he's talking to you there are 348 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,440 nonverbal ways for a child to tell a 349 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,840 therapist what's wrong 350 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,080 i have to warn you the healing process 351 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,760 can take a long time 352 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,720 years even it can put the family under 353 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,039 stress 354 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:13,200 and no one's ever done a longitudinal 355 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,960 study now come on martha what's he told 356 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,120 you 357 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,760 well i want you to see one of teddy's 358 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,840 drawings 359 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,840 what does it mean we're not sure 360 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:09,840 they aren't here anymore 361 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:26,630 [Music] 362 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:33,280 [Music] 363 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,960 they're gone 364 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,280 lots of kids have told there's nothing 365 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,400 to be afraid of 366 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,520 nobody is going to hurt you 367 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,200 honey nobody is going to know you told 368 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,840 remember what daddy said they're all in 369 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,679 jail 370 00:23:51,679 --> 00:24:05,840 they'll find out 371 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,240 nobody will know about us it's our 372 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,720 secret 373 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,159 mavis gave it to him she brought it to 374 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:19,840 the house just as he started school 375 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:35,480 [Applause] 376 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,400 there's nothing to be afraid of there 377 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,080 are no more secrets 378 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,159 they said you'd die if i ever told what 379 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:45,440 you're never gonna have to worry about 380 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,720 anything like that again i promise 381 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,000 which one of them heard you they all did 382 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,039 miss susan took pictures while they did 383 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,159 what 384 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:59,440 mr george liked to play a game tell us 385 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,840 about the game 386 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,159 i swear they're going to jail they're 387 00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:07,760 never going to hurt you 388 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:15,840 and you're never going to hurt us 389 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,200 tonight to find out how many victims 390 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,679 there really are 391 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:30,080 ready go 392 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,760 because we didn't want you to read about 393 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,360 these indictments for the first time in 394 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,840 the papers 395 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,840 so here it is tomorrow the district 396 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,440 attorney will announce indictments 397 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,600 against two defendants mabus and arthur 398 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,720 richardson 399 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,880 on 37 separate counts of child 400 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,360 molestation and sexual abuse 401 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,919 what about the other two we've elected 402 00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:53,840 not to indict either miss larimer or 403 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480 george owen 404 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,559 raped my daughter what do you have to do 405 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,000 around here to get indicted 406 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,360 your daughter is only two a two-year-old 407 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,200 is not a good witness 408 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,200 you have to realize that we want to make 409 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,679 cases we can win 410 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,360 there just wasn't enough evidence 411 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,880 against the other two teachers 412 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,640 are you telling us you let them walk 413 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,760 they've left the community yes 414 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,440 in the absence of an indictment they're 415 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,120 entirely within their rights that's crap 416 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:21,840 bernstein 417 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,240 i ran ncics on all four of these freaks 418 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,760 susan larimer has a record 419 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,279 she was tried in kentucky for molesting 420 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,080 a [ __ ] kid and she was acquitted 421 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,679 it isn't a crime to be accused of a 422 00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:33,679 felony yeah but you've got to admit 423 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:35,840 somebody screwed up how did she get a 424 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080 job at tiny time didn't anybody from the 425 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,159 licensing board check this woman 426 00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:42,640 look you entrusted your children to 427 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,240 these people 428 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,240 the defense is going to harp on that 429 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,080 nobody including you 430 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,159 knows what a child molester looks like 431 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:52,000 so don't go after all the people who 432 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,440 should have known you should have known 433 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,039 listen listen 434 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,039 we need your children as witnesses 435 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,720 the defense is going to try to destroy 436 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,640 their credibility on the stand 437 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,720 if you don't support your children if 438 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,679 you don't help them 439 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:20,640 testify you have no prayer of getting a 440 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,440 conviction 441 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,000 none and i promise you 442 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,960 every person in this room is going to 443 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480 want to give up before this trial is 444 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,840 over 445 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,880 our son is ready to testify he's 446 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,559 george's susan which one is your son 447 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,640 teddy dallas right he's almost five 448 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,399 he's very bright like a good witness 449 00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:45,520 look i don't know how much you know 450 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,279 about courtroom strategy no i know that 451 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:48,640 you're missing evidence teddy talked 452 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,080 about photographs no i'm not talking 453 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,120 about evidence 454 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,200 i'm talking about pedophilia and the 455 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,799 average person doesn't want to believe 456 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,440 that adults have sex with children 457 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,520 now jurors are average people which 458 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,520 means that a prosecutor has got to stay 459 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,440 below their threshold of credibility 460 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,640 mr bernstein susan and george 461 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,320 raped myself what are you saying are you 462 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,440 saying that teddy doesn't have the right 463 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,480 to accuse them 464 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,120 no i'm saying that teddy unfortunately 465 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,200 is one of only four kids who have made 466 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,039 specific allegations against george and 467 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:17,520 susan 468 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,279 wait you have four witnesses and that's 469 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,120 not enough three of them are 470 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,720 two-year-olds who won't do me any good 471 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,840 on the stand 472 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,240 that leaves me with one and the simple 473 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,000 truth is most of the witnesses we have 474 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,480 today 475 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,799 will drop out before that trial so drop 476 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,159 out look 477 00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:34,080 i know you want to get these people i 478 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,080 feel the same way 479 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080 but the bottom line is convictions i 480 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,600 have got to make a case i can win 481 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,200 all right so what if we find susan and 482 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,480 george right what if there are 483 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,240 photographs or videotapes these people 484 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,600 are not dumb 485 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,120 if there ever were photos there aren't 486 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,039 now all right what if there were 487 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,080 and we'd re-examine the situation pretty 488 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,840 fast okay 489 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:13,840 ken what 490 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,279 it happened at nap time but they kept 491 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,039 the doors locked they were lookouts 492 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:30,080 there was nothing to see 493 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,279 you see it in his eyes 494 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,840 you saw him at breakfast you saw him 495 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,200 every night at dinner couldn't you see 496 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,440 anything well i'm not his mother 497 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,960 mothers are supposed to know when things 498 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,679 are going on 499 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,279 so this is all my fault 500 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,600 it's my fault 501 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,559 no it's their fault they did it ah you 502 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:06,399 heard bernstein we should have known i 503 00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:07,600 keep going through this over and over in 504 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,000 my mind 505 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,039 you know what did i miss 506 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,559 but how could teddy keep something like 507 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:19,440 this inside him 508 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:25,039 you know but how did it happen 509 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,159 one day i'm off doing something for 510 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:28,720 myself 511 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080 you know um i don't know i'm 512 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,640 eating a danish 513 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000 and these people raped our baby 514 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,890 [Music] 515 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,240 you know i never consciously wanted to 516 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,200 hurt anybody before 517 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840 i want to fight these people i want to 518 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,279 beat their faces into a pulpit 519 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:04,220 tell teddy that i did it 520 00:31:04,220 --> 00:31:10,329 [Music] 521 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:18,399 i can't let them get away susan and 522 00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:19,760 george 523 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,840 the case is too weak but not if we find 524 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,519 some hard evidence now why'd they take 525 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:24,399 pictures 526 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,000 huh there's got to be some kind of 527 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,440 pornography connection right so we go 528 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,559 down to portland 529 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,240 hold on hold on look i'm the detective 530 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,919 trust me it's just not worth wasting 531 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:32,240 time 532 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,840 hey i got nothing but time you're very 533 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,440 good at what you do roger but i'm not a 534 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,960 detective right well that's not the real 535 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,440 problem 536 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,640 it's not real to you because susan and 537 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,679 george didn't hurt your kid 538 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,039 no the real problem is 539 00:31:47,039 --> 00:32:01,840 they're gone 540 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,120 you've been through 541 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,840 steve 542 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,880 you and kendra don't believe that 543 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,080 nonsense 544 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,600 no we think that josh lustberg got 545 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,679 gonorrhea from the tooth fairy 546 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:49,039 josh was raped by his mother's boyfriend 547 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,120 see that's your story teddy said he saw 548 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,320 it happen at school 549 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,240 said he saw susan taking pictures of 550 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,519 george raping 551 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,480 josh that's ludicrous so soon as a 552 00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,679 master teacher 553 00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:01,279 she supervised george while he was doing 554 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,120 his practice teaching i've known them 555 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,960 both for years 556 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,919 what's it like arthur 557 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,240 watching did teddy tell you all this 558 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,240 before or after his treatment with dr 559 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,519 billington 560 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,440 dr billington got to do with anything 561 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,880 she debriefed all 562 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,519 37 victims didn't she doesn't prove 563 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:22,640 anything 564 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,240 she cooked it all up roger every sordid 565 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,760 lie 566 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,399 who's the fat man i told you no 567 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,840 conversations 568 00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:49,760 [Music] 569 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,600 wake up sweetie wake up calm down it's 570 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,279 all right 571 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:57,200 calm down it's all right teddy it was 572 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:07,840 just a bad dream you're all right 573 00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:13,239 [Music] 574 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,159 [Applause] 575 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:46,239 [Music] 576 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,659 or even younger 577 00:34:49,659 --> 00:34:52,769 [Music] 578 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,839 take it from a guy who's worked a lot of 579 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,320 vice stars this is a waste of time 580 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,839 listen you told me about the pedophile 581 00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:01,680 rings we've got to get inside the right 582 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,720 one 583 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,160 how do we know the richardsons didn't 584 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,320 sell their stuff in san francisco 585 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,920 copy down some phone numbers anyway 586 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:18,240 and help you guys yeah we're 587 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,960 staying in a hotel around the corner 588 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,400 room service doesn't have what we're 589 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,280 looking for 590 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,000 which is uh young boys 591 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,400 four or five everything in my store is 592 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,599 legal 593 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,119 come on man we'll pay the freight just 594 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:34,640 tell us who to call 595 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,440 you sleazy creep oh what are you gonna 596 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,839 do next shoot me your damn snapshots 597 00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:41,599 i don't want your money sex with kids 598 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:42,960 makes me puke 599 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,119 what snapshots what snapshots 600 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,040 sick get out of my face 601 00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:54,240 no more the little giraffe took off the 602 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:55,599 baby's clothes 603 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,000 and you're sure you saw this with your 604 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,119 own eyes 605 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,400 because it's very important you don't 606 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,000 tell me things you heard just what 607 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,599 really happened to you 608 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,839 it was my day to be the baby okay 609 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:10,839 show me what uncle arthur did to the 610 00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:13,839 baby 611 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,960 i called our insurance company for group 612 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,760 therapy they pay less than half 613 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,800 i'm gonna have to go back to work 614 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,119 full-time you know anybody who's looking 615 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,160 for a secretary 616 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,800 the receptionist paula 617 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,839 i looked at her last night while she was 618 00:36:38,839 --> 00:36:40,800 sleeping 619 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,480 nightmares i watched her all night 620 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,040 since the minute i found out she hasn't 621 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,839 been out of my sight 622 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,880 yes george and i were in the same class 623 00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,920 i was supposed to call him about the 624 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,760 alumni magazine 625 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,000 uh-huh no that's the address that i have 626 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,960 now do you have anything more recent 627 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,480 well i thought i might try the preschool 628 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,839 where he did his practice teaching now 629 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:12,640 is that in your records 630 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,839 i see okay thank you 631 00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:19,359 i feel like i live in a phone company 632 00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:20,960 commercial i have to call every 633 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,560 preschool in connecticut 634 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,839 why what makes you think he went back 635 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:25,920 east well as arthur said george and 636 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,119 susan met 637 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:28,400 practice teaching while he was in 638 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,160 college he went to the connecticut 639 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,520 institute for early childhood 640 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,440 development 641 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,720 well before you do that then will you 642 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,000 call these people before me and tell 643 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,640 them i'm on 644 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,680 me sure who's this that's a meat packing 645 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,160 plant 646 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,599 nine bucks an hour they said if they 647 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:44,720 like me they might make it permanent hey 648 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,680 it's not gonna be permanent 649 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,839 i love you 650 00:38:01,110 --> 00:38:09,059 [Applause] 651 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,560 hey come on guys come on whoa whoa whoa 652 00:38:16,839 --> 00:38:19,839 hey 653 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,839 [Applause] 654 00:38:30,839 --> 00:38:33,839 wow 655 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,920 a guy who's got to be tough to survive 656 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,839 next time he gets on base spike 657 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,920 what kind of school's open in the middle 658 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,320 of the night 659 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,800 i'm getting closer you think i like 660 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,200 playing then mother my father 661 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,880 this kind of responsibility could warp 662 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,720 in adolescence basic edible drives 663 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,160 i reached a guy who knows george he 664 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,440 thinks he's teaching at a school near 665 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,839 new haven 666 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,839 thank you 667 00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:48,630 [Music] 668 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:50,720 he's teaching at a preschool in 669 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,800 bridgeport 670 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,880 you didn't go to work today i called in 671 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,040 sick 672 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040 i wish i'd known can't even stay here 673 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,320 with you 674 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,119 hey i like the big place you eat too 675 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:04,720 much salami buddy 676 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,480 are you going i'm gonna take it on the 677 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,200 red eye we'd be back before i tell when 678 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,440 i saw him 679 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,200 i wouldn't miss that he's got to make 680 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,480 sure mr george hasn't heard any more 681 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,079 kids teddy 682 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:24,720 daddy don't go near him 683 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,079 we don't let people hurt us in this 684 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,480 family 685 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,240 come on teddy 686 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,440 so how'd you pay for the ticket 687 00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:52,960 plastic 688 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,560 okay say you get lucky say george does 689 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,160 keep photos of the kids 690 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,920 st bursting decides to reindict what 691 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,160 happens then let me get them all 692 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,400 sure teddy they can't spit in our faces 693 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,880 and how long is that gonna take roger 694 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,240 don't give it to me in years give it to 695 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,920 me in nightmares or better yet maybe 696 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,520 insults how many kids one person can 697 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,040 abuse in a lifetime 698 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,560 what about our kid roger 699 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,200 people avoid me in the market i can't 700 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,119 afford to fix our car 701 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:22,480 even today's friends will start calling 702 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,640 you me okay fine 703 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:35,839 you don't want me to go i won't go 704 00:41:46,839 --> 00:41:48,420 so 705 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:51,479 [Music] 706 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,079 roger hey ernie running yeah he's fine 707 00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,359 on you is he still in town 708 00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:59,200 yeah he doesn't suspect the thing all 709 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,400 right good i'll start watching the place 710 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,680 this afternoon we've done better than 711 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,160 that 712 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,160 we put a policewoman in that undercover 713 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,359 which means that 714 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,440 i had to talk with the owner did you 715 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,480 mention george 716 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,880 no way i just said that you had a tip 717 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,560 about somebody abusing kids 718 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,960 you said child abuse she doesn't want 719 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,800 abuse at school ernie 720 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,079 did you ever handle a case like this 721 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,319 before i haven't heard of anything like 722 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:21,599 this around here 723 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:31,839 let's get going 724 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:45,839 one time 725 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,839 mr george is sick today 726 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,800 still hasn't cleaned out his desk maybe 727 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,119 he really is 728 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,880 keep snapchats to be in his apartment we 729 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,640 got the address 730 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,920 all right let's get over there it'll 731 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,359 take a couple hours to get another 732 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:21,359 warrant it's art 733 00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:27,839 take a look at this 734 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,560 says address book the phony names 735 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:41,599 want it i want everything 736 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:45,040 mr roland police open up sir 737 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:55,839 open it 738 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,839 he's gone 739 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160 now melinda how often did you play baby 740 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,520 nursery 741 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,200 every thursday during nap time mm-hmm 742 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,920 then did aunt mavis play too she changed 743 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,480 your baby's diapers when you were the 744 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,800 baby 745 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,800 so then aunt mavis took your clothes off 746 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,440 and what did uncle arthur do he parted 747 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,119 the baby's bottom 748 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,319 with baby powder from a can 749 00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:39,280 on his fingers 750 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,359 then what did he do the bad thing 751 00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:46,079 now melinda can you tell us where uncle 752 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:47,760 arthur put his fingers 753 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,800 i don't want it to okay 754 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,880 can you tell us then if the game hurt 755 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,119 the baby 756 00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,960 it hurt the baby's vagina 757 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,640 melinda how does a five-year-old know a 758 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,400 word like vagina 759 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,599 women have them but how do you know 760 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:12,319 melinda 761 00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:15,680 it's one of dr billington's words 762 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,520 my mommy told me what it means ah 763 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,560 one of dr billington's words objection 764 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,319 your honor argumentative 765 00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:28,079 sustained melinda 766 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,520 does your family own a vcr you know 767 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,800 a machine to play movies 768 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,680 answer my question melinda do mommy and 769 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,400 daddy watch 770 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,480 movies on a vcr we all do 771 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,400 then isn't it possible that you got 772 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,400 these ideas from some of the video 773 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,240 cassettes mommy and daddy watch 774 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,400 that's a lie they've never watched an 775 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,839 x-rated movie in our lives 776 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,400 you're not on trial here mrs stockman 777 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,599 melinda isn't either 778 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,839 mr stockman how can you let him badger 779 00:45:57,839 --> 00:45:59,280 her while they're glaring at her 780 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,960 you're just as bad as the people you're 781 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,040 supposed to be judging mrs stockman 782 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,359 please 783 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,240 melinda did you first hear about 784 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,400 grown-ups abusing children from dr 785 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,520 billington 786 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,640 or from your mother my mommy didn't do 787 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,400 anything 788 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,079 then why is she trying to coach you 789 00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:19,599 melinda 790 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:29,839 what are you two trying to hide 791 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:43,839 ten minute recess 792 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,880 mom we didn't finish what happened to 793 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,040 melinda today in court 794 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,040 fuglietti confused her she couldn't 795 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,079 remember things she said on her 796 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:57,520 deposition 797 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,480 sandy can you help me with that she was 798 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,920 gonna be one of the best witnesses 799 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,319 you know she cried a lot she wasn't sure 800 00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:05,119 of things 801 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,160 it was a mess can i ride my bike before 802 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:08,880 dinner mom 803 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,480 did you clean your room remember what we 804 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,680 said you don't want your bike do you 805 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,240 clean your room 806 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,880 paddy sandy go around the side of the 807 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,160 my keys around the side house the house 808 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:39,839 right now both of them 809 00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,869 [Applause] 810 00:47:50,839 --> 00:47:52,400 thanks 811 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,520 you don't have to worry honey because 812 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,839 you know 813 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,160 dad they killed rocks they're gonna kill 814 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,079 you no no no what happened to rex was an 815 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,040 accident 816 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,559 he was poisoned no no no come on teddy 817 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,280 mama thinks that uh you must have got 818 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,800 into that stuff we use on snails in the 819 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,520 garden 820 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,119 no daddy because you want to find mr 821 00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,280 george but i never saw him teddy 822 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,599 i was gone before i got there hey he 823 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,359 doesn't know you're told are you sure 824 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:20,720 i'm sure okay come on ted i'll buy you 825 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,119 some gum 826 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,440 i don't get it he's convinced the 827 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,280 richardsons are the ones who killed rex 828 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,319 what the guys in the lab say well 829 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:36,000 the autopsy showed it was rat boys 830 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,359 here we go judge is coming in gotta go 831 00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:40,000 back east 832 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,160 we took off before we could get anything 833 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,559 too bad 834 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,839 okay big guys 835 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,160 remember what we talked about bear just 836 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,240 get up there and tell the truth 837 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,480 nobody can hurt you now all right 838 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,079 remember mr bernstein's our friend now 839 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:09,520 you just answer his questions in a nice 840 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:17,839 loud voice 841 00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:41,280 [Music] 842 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,520 don't look at it teddy it's just us 843 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,319 that's why we're here 844 00:49:46,990 --> 00:49:50,730 [Music] 845 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,800 the honorable clinton see allen 846 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,680 presiding all rise 847 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,119 need to stand up plenty to show respect 848 00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,839 for the judge 849 00:50:10,839 --> 00:50:13,839 teddy 850 00:50:24,839 --> 00:50:27,839 teddy 851 00:50:38,839 --> 00:50:41,839 teddy 852 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:51,920 uncle arthur they said if i told a man 853 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,359 would be here to punish me 854 00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,280 a man who a man in a black robe 855 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,520 no bear no see they knew that there'd be 856 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,240 a man in a black robe but he's the judge 857 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,520 he's your friend no dad people who were 858 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,839 black are servants of satan 859 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,960 servants of satan 860 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,319 black robes dead rabbits think maybe 861 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:25,520 teddy was right about rex 862 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,640 yeah you know don't you why are you 863 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,480 scared i sure do 864 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,440 know that they have magic powers dustin 865 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,960 bear they're not devils or whatever they 866 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,559 told you they are okay 867 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,599 they don't have any magic powers 868 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,440 and why are we going home because 869 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,520 they're sick they're bad 870 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:51,839 are you scared of them 871 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:56,319 what they did was bad it wasn't the kids 872 00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:04,559 it was them right mom you still want to 873 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,319 tell them that in court 874 00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:09,680 it wasn't the kids 875 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:18,880 now teddy you said that baby nursery was 876 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,680 a bad game 877 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,800 did anyone tell you 878 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,559 baby nursery was a bad game 879 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,079 dr billington ah 880 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:35,599 dr billington again dr 881 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,079 billington told you that you were bad to 882 00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,359 play the game 883 00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:42,079 no she said it was a bad game but she 884 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,160 didn't say we were bad to play it 885 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,200 so you told dr billington about the game 886 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,240 and she told you what to say here today 887 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,079 objection your honor he's twisting the 888 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:53,280 facts 889 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,280 goes to state of mind your honor 890 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,960 rephrase the question mr pugliati 891 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,319 teddy can you tell the difference 892 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:05,359 between what's true and what's false 893 00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:09,599 yes in baby nursery 894 00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:11,599 were mr and mrs richardson really 895 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,119 doctors 896 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:17,680 no what about dr billington yes 897 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,040 what would you say if i told you 898 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,720 dr billington isn't really a doctor 899 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:29,839 she isn't she's not a medical doctor no 900 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,480 now what about the easter bunny teddy 901 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,359 is the easter bunny real objection your 902 00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,359 honor the easter bunny is irrelevant 903 00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:40,960 it goes to the witnesses credibility 904 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,400 judge 905 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,119 i'll allow it 906 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,079 is the easter bunny real 907 00:53:54,839 --> 00:53:57,280 yes did uncle arthur 908 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,839 ever dress up in a rabbit costume 909 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,200 yeah an easter 910 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,440 egg was he really the easter bunny no 911 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,440 well if dr billington wasn't really a 912 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,000 doctor how can you be sure 913 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,240 uncle arthur wasn't really the easter 914 00:54:22,839 --> 00:54:24,079 bunny 915 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,559 who are you looking at teddy is someone 916 00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,800 coaching you now the way dr billington 917 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,480 coached every alleged victim 918 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,119 in this case objection your honor the 919 00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,520 boy is looking at his parents 920 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,079 sustained mr pugliati you are treading 921 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:39,440 on thin ice here 922 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,200 i believe the relevance will be apparent 923 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,440 your honor what it boils down to is this 924 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,400 a lot of the time you don't know if a 925 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,839 grown-up is telling you the truth or not 926 00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:53,040 and you get confused don't you 927 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,960 oh yeah now wasn't it really 928 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,359 other kids that you played doctor with 929 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:02,480 and not your teachers 930 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,559 i don't know leave him alone mr dollson 931 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:08,240 let mr bernstein do the objective 932 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,799 what kind of a man are you he's a child 933 00:55:10,799 --> 00:55:13,040 a child you put on the stand no 934 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,000 a child they put on the stand why won't 935 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,960 you let me tell what really happened 936 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,240 it's late recess reconvene in my 937 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:34,799 chambers in 10 minutes 938 00:55:34,799 --> 00:55:38,079 ah melinda teddy 939 00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,400 oops 940 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,720 i'd like to try something different 941 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:48,000 sit down 942 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,720 melinda why don't you sit in my chair 943 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:51,520 and teddy 944 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,440 you stand right here like like mr 945 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,720 bernstein and mr pugliati 946 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:02,079 now what we're about to do is off the 947 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:03,119 record 948 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,040 that means it's not part of the trial 949 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,960 it's just for me because i 950 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,400 i'm confused about something 951 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,440 linda you said that uncle arthur and 952 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,880 aunt may have stood over you 953 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,000 and killed a rabbit and then teddy 954 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,160 later you said the rabbit was still 955 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,559 alive 956 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,720 well which is it dead or alive 957 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,839 both judge this is what i'm talking 958 00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:31,599 about they have no questions be quiet 959 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,839 okay 960 00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:40,160 how can something be both dead and alive 961 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,520 satan who's saved 962 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,160 the devil 963 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,880 satan makes the rabbit die and then 964 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,960 brings him back to life it made told us 965 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,640 there was always a new rabbit the next 966 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,040 morning 967 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,520 why does satan do this because we're bad 968 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,520 the rabbit's good and if we're good 969 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,359 and we tell what will happen 970 00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:17,760 robbie will tell satan and satan will 971 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,200 punish us 972 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,720 satan robbie rabbit let's get serious 973 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,000 here 974 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,760 mrs richardson gave each of the kids a 975 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,520 stuffed rabbit a toy 976 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,599 so the toy was actually a totem 977 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:34,319 an evil eye watching them an evil eye 978 00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:36,079 come on marv who's your next witness 979 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:37,119 gonna be a bat 980 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,559 you watch your tone of voice with me 981 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,559 okay this whole case is a gross fabric 982 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,520 quiet both of you 983 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,480 i have what i need 984 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:51,280 i want you to come back to court on 985 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,200 monday 986 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,280 and tell the jury exactly what you told 987 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,160 me okay 988 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,480 wait melinda is not going back on that 989 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,920 stance we're not going to stop 990 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,240 now well you want to take on stateless i 991 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,920 want people like the manson gang are on 992 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,680 no thank you teddy needs melinda 993 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,359 i'm sorry what about what they did to 994 00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:19,040 melinda 995 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,319 what about what you're doing to these 996 00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:22,240 kids by putting them on the stand ellis 997 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,760 you want arthur mavis to go free 998 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:37,839 i want to keep my daughter alive 999 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,880 now we're down to just three witnesses 1000 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,160 teddy jennifer 1001 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,119 josh that was clear to me from our 1002 00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:48,799 sidebar yesterday that the judges is 1003 00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:51,280 ticked with pugliati as we are 1004 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,640 and i can see the same thing in the 1005 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,359 jury's eyes 1006 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,880 and your three kids are our only hope we 1007 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,440 can't afford to lose any of them now 1008 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,480 so when are you gonna tell the jury 1009 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,799 about the satanism 1010 00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,559 you know satanism wasn't the way to go a 1011 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,640 year ago it's not the way to go now 1012 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,319 wait a minute you mean you you knew 1013 00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:11,760 about this all along 1014 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,200 black robes killing bunnies 1015 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,000 your dog i had a pretty good idea and 1016 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,440 you didn't think that was relevant 1017 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,680 i talked to a lot of other prosecutors 1018 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,760 everybody says the same thing 1019 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,640 juries cannot deal with satanism oh yeah 1020 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,839 juries can't deal with it well you know 1021 00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:29,280 what kids don't deal with it so well 1022 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,240 either 1023 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,920 miriam you know what i can't believe 1024 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,920 that you decided this on your own 1025 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,079 you know that stinks you can't run a 1026 00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,160 criminal prosecution by committee 1027 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,839 okay you can't run it without witnesses 1028 00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:41,680 either don't worry wait no wait wait 1029 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:42,559 wait 1030 00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:43,839 what if we can get one of them to cut a 1031 00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:46,240 deal with us they take oaths 1032 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,960 they id their relatives for the group 1033 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,760 and that way 1034 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,359 if somebody rats they know there'll be 1035 00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:54,960 reprisals so you admit this is real 1036 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,359 it's not a question of what i believe i 1037 00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:58,960 mean look at the presidio case 1038 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,319 el paso west point the same stories keep 1039 01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:04,400 cropping up all over the country 1040 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,960 this many satanic ritual abuse cases 1041 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,799 there's got to be something out there 1042 01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:12,000 right then tell the jury that look we're 1043 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,079 doing the best we can 1044 01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,559 i just can't make any promises you're 1045 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:19,119 telling us that we're going to lose 1046 01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:20,960 after you put josh on the stand so that 1047 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,319 pugliati could 1048 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,799 could could rape him all over again my 1049 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:26,400 son is starting to stutter 1050 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,119 he's in a five a week therapy you know 1051 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,520 he could be in that for several years 1052 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,680 and all this time you knew them miriam 1053 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,640 josh probably won't have to testify 1054 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,839 again 1055 01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:42,240 you're right bernstein you're damn right 1056 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:42,960 he won't 1057 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,760 look i'm sorry 1058 01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:57,839 let's go 1059 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:10,880 teddy can't do this alone 1060 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,920 you want some mint tea okay with mom 1061 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,319 you're just giving up 1062 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:18,960 bernstein hasn't got any more witnesses 1063 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,160 oh 1064 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,200 just like that we don't let people hurt 1065 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,079 us in this family 1066 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:25,520 you said but what the hell right look 1067 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,200 you saw what it's doing to him you have 1068 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,640 to understand these people killed our 1069 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,119 dogs remember that wake everybody up 1070 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,359 i didn't think he was such a damn wimp 1071 01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:35,680 you're always backing out 1072 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,880 and you want teddy to grow up just like 1073 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,960 you hey it's enough no it's not 1074 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960 you can't back out you're letting him 1075 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,440 down you're letting everybody down 1076 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,799 you can't let this happen again 1077 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,200 all right now listen you've been a good 1078 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,640 brother to teddy 1079 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,799 you got him through the trial done 1080 01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:58,160 everything your brother possibly could 1081 01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,760 no 1082 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,680 don't touch me all right you don't 1083 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,559 understand anything 1084 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,920 don't you get it get what it's all my 1085 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,400 fault 1086 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,599 me mine i scoot it all up 1087 01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:16,559 and teddy he 1088 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,799 sandy it's not your fault please don't 1089 01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:20,160 touch me all right you see me alone all 1090 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,920 right sandy you're right i don't 1091 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,559 understand 1092 01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:30,480 i can't i just can't 1093 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,839 i knew 1094 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,039 i knew 1095 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,559 and the reason i knew 1096 01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:49,039 is because the same thing happened to me 1097 01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:50,319 if i told you what they did to me at 1098 01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:54,960 tiny tot teddy would still be fine 1099 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,839 well what do you mean what they did to 1100 01:02:57,839 --> 01:02:59,760 you 1101 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,839 and george and susan weren't even there 1102 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,720 the richardsons were 1103 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,480 oh my god once i was out of there nobody 1104 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,079 else knew and nobody was hurt i just 1105 01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:17,680 wanted to forget 1106 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,119 to pretend it never happened 1107 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,680 i'm sorry but i just couldn't tell you 1108 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,359 why i was so ashamed mom 1109 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:32,960 honey it wasn't your fault 1110 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,240 i was different from the other kids 1111 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,880 devas told me that i was special your 1112 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,079 special kid 1113 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,119 you mean she threatened you 1114 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,880 she made me lie on the table then she 1115 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,200 she she raped you honey that's okay 1116 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,640 cause she did that to the other kids 1117 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,799 mom you don't understand she did it with 1118 01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:54,240 me more than with the other kids 1119 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,039 because i was special no you weren't mom 1120 01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:58,079 you still don't understand 1121 01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,640 what made me special it wasn't just that 1122 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,520 i'd done it with her 1123 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:12,400 mavis told me that i liked it mom i 1124 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,599 hated it 1125 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,720 i always hated it 1126 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,839 i was afraid 1127 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:41,839 that's why i let teddy down 1128 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,000 i had to lie nude on the altar 1129 01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:53,839 the altar was inside a pentagram 1130 01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:56,960 inscribed in a circle 1131 01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,720 the other kids would hold the torches 1132 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,079 mavis would stand in the center of the 1133 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:05,200 circle holding the knife 1134 01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,559 first she would slit a rabbit's throat 1135 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,160 and i had to whisper these chants and 1136 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,599 call her by her satanic name 1137 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:20,160 and she would raise her robe and 1138 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,839 underneath she was naked 1139 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,240 then i had to do it with her 1140 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,839 he's your witness he can stand up to 1141 01:05:34,839 --> 01:05:37,839 pugliatic 1142 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:40,240 sandy you want to wait out the hall for 1143 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:51,839 a minute 1144 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,440 it'll never fly 1145 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,760 so what do you think that we you know we 1146 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,200 go tell our son to go in the sand and 1147 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:00,319 lie 1148 01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:02,960 no uh i think that you know these people 1149 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:03,599 are guilty 1150 01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:07,039 so polygraphing come on roger 1151 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:08,400 you know the polygraph results are 1152 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,720 unreliable i'll cut through it marv 1153 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,160 do you believe sandy yes or no 1154 01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:19,839 why did he wait 10 years 1155 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,880 the woman bent his mind she convinced 1156 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,720 him that he liked what she was doing to 1157 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,319 him she laid guilt on a four-year-old 1158 01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:27,440 child now wouldn't you have kept quiet 1159 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,319 about that 1160 01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:31,599 bugliati will scream perch so what sandy 1161 01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:35,280 wants to testify against this woman 1162 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,799 stand up and help your children tell the 1163 01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:38,480 truth you said 1164 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,760 are you the one in the end who's going 1165 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,559 to end up burying the truth 1166 01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:46,079 all i'm saying kendra is is it gonna 1167 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:47,839 help 1168 01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:50,720 is it gonna help 1169 01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:54,480 no not a hell of a lot it may kill him 1170 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,520 to get on that stand 1171 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,839 and tell what she did to him but it's 1172 01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:59,359 better than keeping it bottled up inside 1173 01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:02,400 of him for the rest of his life 1174 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:15,839 okay i'll put him on the stand 1175 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,720 bear teddy 1176 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,920 wake up it's still dark i know now 1177 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:52,960 listen 1178 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,079 sandy said that in the ritual 1179 01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,160 they made you use satanic names you know 1180 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,559 their special names 1181 01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,839 let me sleep come here listen 1182 01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:07,119 susan's name what was it 1183 01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:11,839 is susan's name yeah bear think 1184 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,759 now mavis was miss virgo 1185 01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:22,960 miss susan was 1186 01:08:23,198 --> 01:08:26,719 i don't remember bear 1187 01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:30,399 right bear what name did virgo call her 1188 01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:31,439 friend 1189 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,640 aren't you standing above the altar 1190 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:39,839 now what name did she make you whisper 1191 01:08:50,839 --> 01:08:53,839 isis 1192 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,640 what are you doing 1193 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,359 i filed a policeman in george rowland's 1194 01:09:04,839 --> 01:09:07,839 office 1195 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,600 who's isis 1196 01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:28,179 [Music] 1197 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,960 you wanted to see me christopher dallas 1198 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,719 i've got a staff meeting in five minutes 1199 01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:39,120 all right wait let's hope why wouldn't 1200 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,480 you tell my secretary what this is about 1201 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,080 i've got the address of a woman who i 1202 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,759 think is sexually abusing kids in your 1203 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:47,040 jurisdiction we've got procedures in 1204 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,158 place for taking child abuse 1205 01:09:48,158 --> 01:09:50,080 i've been through this in connecticut i 1206 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,920 want to extradite this woman 1207 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,000 and only do it they'll catch her in the 1208 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:54,960 act 1209 01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:02,000 i know how it's going to work 1210 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,040 you go around the country doing this 1211 01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,520 yeah i know they're all cute this one's 1212 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:17,840 my son 1213 01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,080 sandy these crimes happened to you 10 1214 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,320 years ago 1215 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,520 are you sure you're not just telling us 1216 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,840 about things you heard until last 1217 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,199 weekend i never talked to anyone about 1218 01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:32,400 this stuff 1219 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,199 why i was ashamed 1220 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:38,719 that you were forced to have sex with 1221 01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:40,880 the richardsons that i never told anyone 1222 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,360 what went on at that school 1223 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,199 but you left the tiny todd preschool to 1224 01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:46,640 start kindergarten 1225 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,199 why didn't you tell your parents then 1226 01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:51,120 the richardsons knew my dad was a police 1227 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,600 officer 1228 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,360 mrs richardson said if the police ever 1229 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,400 came to the school and she would have 1230 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,040 known it had been me 1231 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,560 and i'd have to watch my parents have 1232 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,199 their hearts cut out 1233 01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:08,960 have their hearts cut out 1234 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,040 and you believe them seen them kill cats 1235 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,920 and rabbits that way 1236 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,360 i knew they'd do it did the richardsons 1237 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,040 ever tell you why they killed animals 1238 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,480 it gave them power to kill things that 1239 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:29,600 were innocent and good 1240 01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:33,120 sandy you haven't told us one 1241 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,600 single detail that your brother hadn't 1242 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,400 already mentioned 1243 01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:40,960 how many sessions with dr billington did 1244 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,400 you have 1245 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,719 i've never met dr billington oh come on 1246 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:50,520 sandy alters 1247 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,280 pentagrams murdered 1248 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,440 bunnies curved daggers 1249 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:00,480 hatha maze what 1250 01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:02,480 they're called athames call dr 1251 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:03,920 billington back and ask her if she knows 1252 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,280 what they're called 1253 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,679 these are exactly the same as dr 1254 01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:09,760 billington fed the children 1255 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,600 the rituals didn't change they happened 1256 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,199 to me and my friends 1257 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,640 they happened to other kids 10 years 1258 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,840 later the rituals 1259 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:23,120 just rituals 1260 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,640 are you saying that my clients were 1261 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,000 involved in something other than what 1262 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,920 the prosecution has characterized 1263 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,800 as games and psychological manipulation 1264 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,960 your clients are satanists 1265 01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,800 they told us so they're proud of it 1266 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,840 let me get this straight 1267 01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,120 you're saying that my clients 1268 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,440 are pedophiles and pimps and 1269 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,560 pornographers 1270 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,400 and devil worshipers i saw them kill 1271 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,000 rabbits and pour the blood over little 1272 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:54,800 kids 1273 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,320 you can call them anything you want to 1274 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,320 call them they call themselves satanists 1275 01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,159 do you think this jury will buy that 1276 01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:02,960 cheap horror film story 1277 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,120 is geraldo going to rush in here now and 1278 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,400 interview people with hoods over their 1279 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:06,800 heads 1280 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,159 do you seriously expect this jury 1281 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:13,760 to believe that these two gentle people 1282 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,400 three college degrees between them 1283 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,920 residents of this community for a 1284 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,280 quarter of a century 1285 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,120 have committed crimes that we wouldn't 1286 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,640 believe at a drive-in 1287 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:27,440 movie sandy 1288 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:32,000 sandy who put you up to this 1289 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,199 your father nobody put me up to anything 1290 01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:38,560 no no 1291 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,199 it didn't matter that the prosecution's 1292 01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:42,000 case was 1293 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,520 falling apart no you expect us to 1294 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,960 believe 1295 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,320 that last weekend you just decided to 1296 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,000 talk about things 1297 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,640 that you haven't mentioned for the last 1298 01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,960 10 1299 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,080 years 1300 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,280 they killed my dog 1301 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:07,360 they threatened my brother 1302 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,560 they told me i enjoyed being raped 1303 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,239 you're lying well that's not what the 1304 01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,159 lie detector said 1305 01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:21,920 your honor i moved that last remark be 1306 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,320 stricken polygraph results are 1307 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:25,760 inadmissible 1308 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,840 what about the truth 1309 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,840 please anybody home 1310 01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:35,840 anything not a thing how about you 1311 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,840 now 1312 01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:43,199 she sure likes music 1313 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,470 cds cassettes 1314 01:15:45,470 --> 01:15:48,689 [Music] 1315 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,840 hey 1316 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,000 how come she's got records if she 1317 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:07,840 doesn't have a turntable 1318 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,400 are you a pedophile mrs richardson 1319 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,880 no sir did you or your husband or any 1320 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,880 member of your staff ever have any sort 1321 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,640 of sexual relations 1322 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,640 with any student at the tiny tot 1323 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,400 preschool 1324 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:49,040 no sir then we have a mystery here don't 1325 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,199 we 1326 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,600 why are all these people saying all 1327 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,120 these incredible things about you 1328 01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,640 will you tell us why you think this has 1329 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,800 happened objection your honor 1330 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,080 counselor is asking the witness to 1331 01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,920 speculate 1332 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,679 i'll allow the witness to try if she 1333 01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:07,840 chooses to put the charges against her 1334 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:08,960 into some kind of 1335 01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,600 rational perspective thank you sir 1336 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:19,600 your honor my husband and i don't deny 1337 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,560 touching those children 1338 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:24,719 you know when you're running a nursery 1339 01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:27,120 school you you spend a lot of time 1340 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,280 wiping running noses or drying tears or 1341 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,320 putting on band-aids 1342 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,120 not once as a parent ever 1343 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:45,120 accuse us of anything improper 1344 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:46,719 until josh schlossberg developed 1345 01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:49,600 venereal disease 1346 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,000 and and then what did we do 1347 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,159 did we behave suspiciously 1348 01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:02,080 did we run no 1349 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:06,640 we voluntarily took medical tests 1350 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,080 and as you know we all 1351 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,840 tested negative 1352 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,440 we're gonna do it let's do it no 1353 01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:22,640 yesterday while you were waiting for the 1354 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,080 warrant i was over here watching the 1355 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,120 place 1356 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,080 what are we waiting for the janitor 1357 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,440 while it's going on he's never more than 1358 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:32,480 30 feet from that alarm bell 1359 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:34,719 i don't like the fire why isn't anybody 1360 01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:36,400 having recess 1361 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:41,840 how do we know they're not doing it now 1362 01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:46,529 [Music] 1363 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,239 on april 15th 1364 01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:58,239 1987. 1365 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,000 miriam slotsford met with dr martha 1366 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,080 billington of the children's therapeutic 1367 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:04,800 institute 1368 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:10,880 incorporated a for-profit corporation 1369 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:16,239 mrs slasberg told dr billington that we 1370 01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:19,600 had molested her son 1371 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,280 to cover up the fact 1372 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,960 that mrs schlossberg's lover had 1373 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,640 actually sodomized 1374 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,440 and then dr billington convinced those 1375 01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:35,679 children 1376 01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:40,320 in this this atmosphere of hysteria 1377 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,159 whipped up by the press in a small town 1378 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:51,840 we had abused them 1379 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,520 this is a witch hunt 1380 01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,880 unfortunately the witches only exist 1381 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,640 in dr billington's mind 1382 01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:10,000 what time is it 12 30 exactly 1383 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,480 right on schedule why bother to lock the 1384 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:19,840 games you got it 1385 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:29,440 hey phil we've got a bathroom i can use 1386 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:31,280 it's nap time we don't disturb the 1387 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,880 children during napta i'm a police 1388 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:33,360 officer 1389 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:47,840 step back step back 1390 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:58,699 [Music] 1391 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,480 we're rehearsing a play 1392 01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:22,560 ms larimer you have testified in stomach 1393 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,320 turning detail 1394 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,159 about several instances of child 1395 01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:28,239 molestation in which you say my clients 1396 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:29,360 were involved 1397 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,040 now i ask you did the district attorney 1398 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:33,679 promise you 1399 01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:37,840 anything in return for this testimony 1400 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,800 unconditional immunity from prosecution 1401 01:21:46,639 --> 01:21:51,120 so you would smear my clients 1402 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,159 say anything at all in order to get the 1403 01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:54,719 deal 1404 01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:58,560 mr bernstein promised objection your 1405 01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:59,280 honor 1406 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,440 argumentative sustained 1407 01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:07,760 i'm telling the truth a person like you 1408 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,960 sure you are objection 1409 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,040 granted mr pugliati please 1410 01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:18,000 well since you're telling the truth ms 1411 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,440 larimer 1412 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:23,600 one last question the prosecution's last 1413 01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:24,080 witness 1414 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,159 testified about certain occult practices 1415 01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:39,840 are my clients satanists 1416 01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:43,199 no sir 1417 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,920 nothing further your honor 1418 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,360 i apologize to you for some of the 1419 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,320 grisly 1420 01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,800 unthinkable things that i have made you 1421 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,000 listen to in this courtroom 1422 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,960 little children should not be asked how 1423 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,719 it feels to be raped 1424 01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:07,840 or sodomized 1425 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,600 they could have been your children or 1426 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:14,960 yours 1427 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,320 it could have been yours they could have 1428 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,280 been mine 1429 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,520 if just listening was painful for us 1430 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,600 think how much more painful it was to 1431 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,040 live through the acts 1432 01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,320 that these children described ladies and 1433 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,320 gentlemen i suggest to you 1434 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,639 that these 37 children do belong to you 1435 01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:40,800 those children had the courage to stand 1436 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,719 up and tell you the facts 1437 01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,480 now you must have the courage to show 1438 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:50,320 these defendants that decent men 1439 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,719 and women will not tolerate the kind of 1440 01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:53,440 behavior 1441 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,239 that they have shown 1442 01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,840 by your verdict you can show the 1443 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,080 children 1444 01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,120 that they're not alone 1445 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,639 for all of us 1446 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,199 believe the children 1447 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,560 mr bernstein the man who has just put 1448 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,000 susan larimer the one 1449 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,480 self-confessed child abuser in this case 1450 01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:23,600 back on the street 1451 01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:26,800 has just asked you to believe 1452 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:31,120 the children 1453 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,679 believe the children 1454 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,159 when you've heard them describe day 1455 01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:40,719 trips in a van to visit a fat man on the 1456 01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:43,040 moon 1457 01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:45,520 believe the children who talked about 1458 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:46,719 sinister rabbits 1459 01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,960 marching by torchlight through a gothic 1460 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,520 cathedral 1461 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,480 believe the children who use such 1462 01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:55,840 obviously adult 1463 01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,440 words as penis vagina 1464 01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:02,960 anus believe 1465 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:04,320 that these children have vivid 1466 01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,719 imaginations 1467 01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:11,280 yes believe they are the unwitting dupes 1468 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,040 of a paranoid therapist yes 1469 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,080 believe that they were abused by my 1470 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,600 clients no way 1471 01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,000 the law demands that you deliver 1472 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,199 a not guilty verdict if you have even a 1473 01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:30,560 reasonable doubt 1474 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,080 as to the suspect's guilt 1475 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:36,560 ladies and gentlemen no reasonable 1476 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,199 person could avoid doubts about some of 1477 01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:41,199 the things these children have told you 1478 01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,000 accordingly 1479 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,840 you have no choice 1480 01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:53,760 you must acquit 1481 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,480 my clients 1482 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,800 and finally ladies and gentlemen bear in 1483 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,120 mind as you deliberate 1484 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,440 that the defendants are guilty only if 1485 01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:10,480 you find them so absolutely 1486 01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:15,040 conclusively beyond a reasonable doubt 1487 01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,679 take all the time you need you may 1488 01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,840 retire 1489 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,560 thanks bill 1490 01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,600 so 1491 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,400 i don't know raj come on what is it 1492 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,239 something on their faces 1493 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:43,679 i just think it's gonna be hard to find 1494 01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:45,440 12 people who have no reasonable doubts 1495 01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,400 in a case like this 1496 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,800 i don't know i'll see you later okay 1497 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,120 thanks 1498 01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,280 maybe they said they'd never go to jail 1499 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:00,400 yeah 1500 01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:01,920 well even if they do go to jail bear it 1501 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,199 won't be for enough years to pay for 1502 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:05,840 what they did 1503 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,080 then why'd we do it because we knew what 1504 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,520 they did was wrong 1505 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:19,840 and we had to say so that's right 1506 01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,040 is that everything got your baseball 1507 01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,199 club yeah you think you do arithmetic 1508 01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:34,080 all the time 1509 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,880 i didn't bring it oh well i guess you 1510 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,280 have to use this one 1511 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:47,840 yeah thanks okay partner 1512 01:27:50,080 --> 01:28:01,840 thanks mom 1513 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,840 sandy make sure he finds his classroom 1514 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:15,840 no mom i was gonna put him in my locker 1515 01:28:17,810 --> 01:28:24,910 [Music] 1516 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,040 you weren't sure they were going to jail 1517 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,520 dad says they may be out in four years 1518 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,840 even if i didn't testify i said someday 1519 01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,280 they'd come for me 1520 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:36,639 they said they'd tell me the evil i had 1521 01:28:36,639 --> 01:28:38,639 to do 1522 01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:43,120 and did they come for you 1523 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,159 in a way when they found you 1524 01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:47,440 see the evil would have been to let them 1525 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,520 destroy our family 1526 01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,880 keeping quiet what it meant they owned 1527 01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,780 us 1528 01:28:56,780 --> 01:29:07,649 [Music] 1529 01:29:29,190 --> 01:29:59,220 [Music] 1530 01:29:59,220 --> 01:30:00,450 [Applause] 1531 01:30:00,450 --> 01:30:27,020 [Music] 1532 01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,400 you 96894

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