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Seven-eight on end.
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Oh, and last night,
we had trouble with this one.
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'How can I go forward '
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'When I don't know
which way I'm facing?'
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And then the next one goes...
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'I don't know
which way to turn'
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And it's a bit longer.
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-And then it goes: ”Oh, no... "
-Do that again.
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-What? The "how"?
-The "How can /..." first.
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'How... How can I go forward'
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'When I don't know
which way I'm facing?'
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'How can I go forward '
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'When I don't know
which way to turn?'
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I was aware that John was making
some records.
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I had no idea
what he was doing,
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whether it was a single,
whether it was an album.
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We knew he was in his own studio
doing some recordings.
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He'd finished his new album
and he wanted to play it to me
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in his bedroom
and he couldn't work out...
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He had this big hi-fi thing
and he couldn't make it work.
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It was sort of like...
You know?
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So he gets out this little
record player that everyone had,
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a little Dansette record player,
put it on and put one side on.
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I was there ostensibly
to listen to the album,
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and I noticed
that he kept putting it off.?
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Did you hear what it says about
Self ridges in an American paper?
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"John Lennon and his wife,
Yoko Ono,
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were chased through Self ridges,
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London's largest
department store,
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by a gang of screaming fans."
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He said, "Let's go
for a walk around the grounds."
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We'd go for a walk
around the grounds.
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He said,
"Let's have some iced tea."
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By this stage,
it's about seven o'clock
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and I'm thinking,
"I want to hear the album."
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And he put on the vinyl.
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It was a white-label vinyl,
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but no track listings
or anything on it.
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And he said, "Look, I can't bear
to listen to it any more.
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I've recorded it. I've mixed it.
I've heard it up and down.
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I don't know whether
it's any good or not,
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so I'd like you to have a listen
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and come back outside
and tell me what you think."
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So no pressure, you know?
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'No shelf-haired'
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'Yellow-bellied
son of Tricky Dicky's'
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'Gonna mother hubbard
soft-soap me'
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'With just
a pocketful of hope!'
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I'm thinking...
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'Money for dope!'
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...this is just a rant,
you know.
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He said, "What do you think?"
I said, "Yeah, very nice, yeah.
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Yeah. What's on the other side?"
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And he said, "Turn it over,"
and he played 'Imagine'.
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OK?
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Shall I go?
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The first time I heard
the album in the studio,
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the first song
I heard was 'Imagine'.
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And I just listened to it,
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and this was before
the strings were put on it.
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And I put the needle on
and out comes 'Imagine'.
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But, of course,
it didn't have...
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There was no song title.
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I didn't know
what this was about.
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And I thought,
"Hm, not bad, not bad."
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Within about 30 seconds,
I thought, "This is it."
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I said, "Surely that
should be the A-side."
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And he very coolly said,
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"Yoko, Ray thinks 'Imagine'
should be the A-side."
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She said,
"Oh, I like that one, too."
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And he's like, "Well, what do
you think? Is it any good?"
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I'll never forget, he said,
"Is it any good?"
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I said to John, "It's a number
one record, John."
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He said, "Are you sure?
Are you really sure?"
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I said,
"I really like that song,
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'Imagine All The People',
whatever it's called."
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Cos it didn't have a title.
He said,
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"Yeah, I think that's gonna
be... It's called 'Imagine'.
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I think it's gonna be the title
of the album."
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I said, "I think people are
gonna be still listening to it
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in ten years' time."
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He said, "Oh, fuck off,
it's just a rock album."
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So, which way should we go?
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You're just gonna follow us
now, then?
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Yeah, we'll follow you.
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I'm going over
to look at the, er...
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The swans.
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The swans
and whatever they are, geese.
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Oh, they've come back,
have they?
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-They're coming now.
-I'm going round once!
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-Dad?
-I'm trying to get round here.
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'Dad?
'Yes?
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-Can I get off?
-Yeah, do you want to...?
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Do you want to get off
on the island?
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They wanted to be
away from London,
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away from the office
and all the people there.
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If you wanted to talk to him,
you had to come out.
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When they came down
from the Apple offices,
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they shut themselves
off from that.
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And I remember them
sending a memo, saying,
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"We are now operating from
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Tittenhurst Park
as Bag Productions."
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They didn't want
any direct contact
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with the Apple offices
any more.
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When you went to Tittenhurst,
it was this white place.
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This huge, huge garden.
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I mean, acres
of wonderful trees and things.
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And they had donkeys.
They had a lake put in, with...
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All the fish died,
unfortunately,
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but it was a good idea.
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It was this huge place.
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I remember it fondly, because...
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Dad and Yoko would
do their own thing
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and I would sort of run around.
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I think it was 99 acres,
Tittenhurst.
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I mean, that's an insane
amount of land for...
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You know, a child
can get lost in those woods!
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The first time
we met with the gardener, Frank,
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he was a proper old English
gentleman with, you know,
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a tweed coat and little hat,
you know,
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and he's standing there
in his wellingtons
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to meet them for the first time,
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and Yoko said, "We want only
black or white flowers."
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And he said, "Pardon?"
"Only black or white flowers."
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He said, "Well, I can certainly
do white, but I'm not sure..."
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"I'm sure there's some tulips
that are black," Yoko said.
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Black and white flowers!
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We ended up
with different colours.
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John and Yoko spent
a lot of time
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in their suite upstairs,
which was huge.
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It was an enormous bedroom
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with dressing rooms off it, and
they had this balcony outside
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and they spent most
of their time up there.
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They would be reading letters
and things like that.
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They always had plenty of
books and things around.
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They'd be listening to music.
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I think they had
all the music papers,
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so they would go through those.
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They liked to kind of
know what was going on.
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He liked to sit in bed,
playing his guitar, smoking dope
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and watching television.
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First of all, he didn't like
getting up and going anywhere
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unless he really had a reason
to do it, you know,
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because, remember, the world is
coming in all the time at you,
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you know, if you're John.
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You have to imagine,
this is a man who...
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He never sees
another human face
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that's not going, like,
"What can I do for you?"
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That means that nobody's ever
going to tell you the truth.
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You'll never get any,
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or very rarely, get useful
feedback that's, the real thing.
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And he needed
a refuge from that.
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Those are the moments
that we, you know,
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enjoyed each other's company
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without thinking
about it too much.
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I think if either of us thought
about things too much, it was,
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you know, the anxiety or other
elements would come into play.
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-OK!
-Next tune.
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Next.
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What shall we do?
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They were heavily into
recording 'Imagine'
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at that time.
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That's why I had
a lot of time on my own.
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Because as a kid, also,
I think the studio scenario
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was exciting for a minute,
but then, you know,
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"You're playing that song
how many times?"
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Let me sit there.
Where's my...
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John wanted
his own studio.
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If I'd looked back
at the period,
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it was probably
that John wanted
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to get out of town,
he wanted the release,
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somewhere that he could work
peacefully and relax.
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After some discussion,
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John decided that the annexe
would be the best place
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for the studio because
it was close to the kitchen,
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for all the usual teas
and snacks and stuff,
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and sufficiently away
from the house
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that it didn't impact
on the domestic scene.
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He was very impatient,
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cos it takes time
to build these things.
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All those connections
have to be soldered.
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You have to test things, "Maybe
we should change the carpet?"
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You know, you go through
this process of...
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It's like tuning an instrument,
making a good studio.
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John was then
anxious to start recording,
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so I did use John's enthusiasm
to get into the studio,
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and say, "Well, if you'd like
to go in the studio
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and play the piano or practise,
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I'd love to have some sound
coming in
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to see if it all works."
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So we actually used John
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as part of the work
to set the studio up.
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John was the guinea pig,
that's right.
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Good evening
ladies and gentlemen.
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This evening we have
the Plastic Ono Band,
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who's gonna play for you
a little rock and roll.
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Where's Phillip?
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We don't know.
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Let's see how George does.
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So I'm staying with Eric
and, um...
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I get up before Eric because
he slept a lot later than I did.
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One morning, the phone rang
for a long time and, finally,
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I just picked it up
and it was Spector.
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He said he wanted me
to wake up Eric
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and I said, "Listen, I can't
wake up Eric."
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"I don't want to go into his
bedroom and wake him up."
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He said, "OK, well,
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we wanted him to come out
and play,"
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and he said, "How about you?
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You want to come
and play with John?"
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And I said, "Yeah, absolutely!"
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I got a job
as a freelancer at Sounds,
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which was one
of the music papers.
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And they said, "You've got to go
to John Lennon's house tomorrow
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to photograph him
recording a new album."
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And I thought
it was a joke at first.
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I go in,
and he hadn't got up yet.
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This was about five o'clock
in the afternoon.
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So I hung around for half an
hour, and then they suddenly
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seemed to appear out of nowhere.
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The two of them just were
'phttt' in the room,
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looking like
they'd just got out of bed.
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"Woke up, got out of bed,
dragged a comb across my head "
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No, he hadn't even
dragged a comb across his head.
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He looked really scruffy,
actually.
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They actually
have eggs on toast, you see.
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He likes tinned tomatoes, 'cause
they don't like real ones.
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I didn't know
how long I had them for,
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ten minutes or, as it turned
out, six or seven hours.
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So I said,
"Can I start taking pictures?"
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And he said, "Of course,
go for it," you know?
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So, there was
a bunch of people there.
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There were people arriving.
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There was Klaus Voormann,
the bass player.
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There was Nicky Hopkins.
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There were some other people who
I didn't recognise at the time.
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Then George Harrison showed up,
and I was, "Oh, my God."
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We all went every day
for, you know,
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for the whole period
of making 'Imagine'.
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It was a daily trip
in the car in the morning.
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We'd get there, have a bit
of breakfast and coffee
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and then get into it.
243
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I was living at Friar Park.
244
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I'd got my little cottage there
and it was great.
245
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George had those great cars and
it was nice to drive together.
246
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And I had this little Mini,
247
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which was all painted
in tantra art,
248
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George gave it to me.
249
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But when we drove together,
250
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he had, well, I don't know,
some Mercedes or something.
251
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So I said, "It's great," and it
was fun, and he loved driving.
252
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Phil Spector arrived.
253
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He was dressed in a three-piece
suit and a collar and tie
254
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in the middle of summer
in England in a rock session,
255
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and shades.
256
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And he was
a very heavy presence.
257
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And he just looked menacing.
258
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At a certain point,
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Phil stood up and sort of
whispered something like,
260
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"I think we should get started
now," and John shot up,
261
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and said, "Right, everybody,
Phil wants us in the studio."
262
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And he was taking mugs
out of people's hands, you know.
263
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Shall we listen to the
tape or shall we just get on?
264
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-Let's go and do them.
-Let's go and do them, OK.
265
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Let's go. George, are you
coming? Come on, gang.
266
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Come on now, let's go.
267
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How? It's A minor.
268
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It's the same chord,
A minor seventh, is it?
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F-
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It stays on F a bit long,
I think.
271
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E7.
272
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That's all it is.
273
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Is that a major chord?
274
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Yeah, D7, that is.
275
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Yeah. Let's try and open
the window up a bit.
276
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John comes in the studio,
277
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plays a song and he thinks
everybody knows it already.
278
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That's typical for John,
that he's very impatient.
279
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No, D7, maybe.
280
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He thinks for himself.
281
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But you see, we played
in the studio a few times,
282
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then suddenly everybody
finds his way, you know?
283
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At first, I couldn't
quite hear the lyrics,
284
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because they were going through
the mic into the control room,
285
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and the first line was,
286
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"So Sgt. Pepper took you
by surprise."
287
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And I thought, "Oh,
it's a song about the fans, "
288
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because 'Sgt. Pepper'
took me by surprise.
289
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And then there was the line,
290
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"The only good thing
you did was yesterday".
291
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"And since
you've been gone,
292
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it's been just another day".
293
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And I thought,
"Hang on a minute.
294
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They're two
Paul McCartney song titles."
295
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'Those freaks was right'
296
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'When they said you was dead'
297
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It became clear that
298
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there was a spa! between
John and Paul
299
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which /, as a member of the
public, was not aware of.
300
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I used my resentment
against Paul,
301
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that I have as a kind of
sibling rivalry resentment,
302
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to create a song.
303
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And I was answering
a few little messages
304
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that Paul sent to me
on 'Ram', you see?
305
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Only I publish my lyrics,
you see?
306
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He doesn't, so you have
to listen dead hard.
307
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-Artistically and musically...
-It's a good song.
308
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...if you listen to it,
it's a beautiful song.
309
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'You live with straights
who told you'
310
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Paul personally
doesn't feel
311
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as though I insulted him
or anything,
312
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cos I had dinner
with him last week.
313
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So it's not about Paul,
it's about me.
314
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'Jump when your momma
tell you anything'
315
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Oh. What? What?
316
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The nice thing about
the recording sessions
317
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in those days was that you play
all at the same time.
318
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Hit it!
319
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And that's so important.
It's so much fun.
320
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And for John, it was fun, too.
321
00:17:42,645 --> 00:17:46,309
Even though he was focused on
a song and we tuned into it,
322
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still, it was a fun,
fun situation.
323
00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:08,334
He had the whole of 'Imagine'
in his head.
324
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He had the whole thing.
325
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George, on your break,
326
00:18:12,675 --> 00:18:14,837
will you, just for
the first bit, play the tune?
327
00:18:15,011 --> 00:18:16,877
-Yeah. How does that go?
-Well, just like...
328
00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:24,635
Even the one note will do.
Dah-dah-dah-dah.
329
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That whole album,
330
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he had all the songs.
They weren't written down.
331
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Or there may have been parts
written down.
332
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But he just started.
333
00:18:44,749 --> 00:18:49,459
He would sing the song,
and you would hear him.
334
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Maybe if you look in his eyes,
335
00:18:51,714 --> 00:18:54,376
or whatever,
and we see what he sings.
336
00:18:57,219 --> 00:19:01,258
$0 you got a feeling of
the song just by him playing it,
337
00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:03,131
and you heard the words.
338
00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:04,883
Of course you heard the words,
you know.
339
00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:06,927
I mean,
he's not just saying anything.
340
00:19:13,235 --> 00:19:16,944
Then we got the lyrics,
so we could
341
00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:20,615
be even more aware
of what he's saying.
342
00:19:24,872 --> 00:19:29,207
He would give me, and
everybody involved, the lyrics
343
00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:33,750
and make you study the lyrics
before each and every song.
344
00:19:33,923 --> 00:19:37,086
And then
we'd take it from there.
345
00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,255
Well, try that one then.
346
00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:42,216
Yeah, OK. The metal,
it's more, um...
347
00:19:42,348 --> 00:19:44,931
It's more a jangly sound.
348
00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:48,468
See, these are very...
349
00:19:57,488 --> 00:19:58,444
Yeah, right, right.
350
00:19:58,614 --> 00:20:00,776
-So try them both, then. OK.
-It's Elizabethan.
351
00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:03,112
Two, three, four.
352
00:20:48,122 --> 00:20:50,489
If somebody comes up with
a great lick
353
00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:55,915
or a great idea of a riff or a
rhythm, then he would go for it.
354
00:20:57,047 --> 00:21:00,290
That has a...
Elizabethan feeling, you know?
355
00:21:00,426 --> 00:21:02,793
-Has what?
-Has a Elizabethan feeling.
356
00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:04,168
You know, that one?
357
00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:07,262
-So which one is better?
-That's better.
358
00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:12,101
You know,
he'd adapt to all situations.
359
00:21:12,229 --> 00:21:14,846
He was very good
at impromptu decisions
360
00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:16,564
in his head that just worked.
361
00:22:04,406 --> 00:22:07,899
I think we shouldn't ring off,
ring off when George does his...
362
00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:12,741
-And stop the bass?
-Yeah.
363
00:22:12,873 --> 00:22:14,455
So we'll ring off then.
We'll go...
364
00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:16,073
—Ring off? Stop...
—Ring Off!
365
00:22:16,252 --> 00:22:17,037
Ring off.
366
00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:21,875
My first impression
of Yoko was, um...
367
00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:23,957
Well, the first impression
was she was very quiet.
368
00:22:24,093 --> 00:22:25,549
I got her in one
of my photographs,
369
00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:27,669
where John is
singing into the mic
370
00:22:27,805 --> 00:22:30,137
with his white Epiphone
371
00:22:30,266 --> 00:22:31,756
and she's actually sitting
on the floor
372
00:22:31,934 --> 00:22:33,345
writing out the lyrics.
373
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,352
I really got',
"This is a real team effort."
374
00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:40,106
I saw Yoko, and I saw how
the two worked together
375
00:22:40,276 --> 00:22:41,357
and how it happened.
376
00:22:41,527 --> 00:22:47,273
How excited Yoko can be
and how they got on so well.
377
00:22:47,408 --> 00:22:49,524
-You see, in Japanese there's...
-" / want you to... "
378
00:22:52,913 --> 00:22:54,574
-That's it.
-That's too long, you see.
379
00:22:54,707 --> 00:22:55,617
I only want one line.
380
00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:57,782
I know, but, you see,
in Japanese...
381
00:22:57,918 --> 00:22:59,909
"I know that
you've heard it before"
382
00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:01,126
is wrong in Japanese,
383
00:23:01,297 --> 00:23:02,787
because in Japan they haven't...
384
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:05,798
Yes, they have. Everybody in
the world says that.
385
00:23:05,968 --> 00:23:08,130
The thing is,
you can't say it in one line.
386
00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:10,136
So why can't you say...
387
00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:12,631
-It's a very strong message.
-Well, I'll try it.
388
00:23:15,561 --> 00:23:17,347
There was something
absolutely lovely about her,
389
00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:19,099
which I'm not sure
I can put my finger on,
390
00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:20,562
but she was completely different
391
00:23:20,858 --> 00:23:22,690
to the propaganda
we'd all been led to believe
392
00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:26,527
that she was this devil woman,
a foreigner to boot,
393
00:23:26,655 --> 00:23:28,362
who broke up The Beatles.
394
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:30,026
Miss Yoko Ono.
395
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,067
What I'm trying
to do is to present
396
00:23:33,203 --> 00:23:35,410
an unfinished situation,
397
00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:39,157
where people can finish it
themselves in their own minds.
398
00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:45,291
She'd come along
from nowhere. Just from nowhere.
399
00:23:45,507 --> 00:23:47,544
We had no idea
about the background
400
00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:48,757
of anything in New York,
401
00:23:48,969 --> 00:23:51,131
so she was really
an interesting person.
402
00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:52,924
What was
the first time, Yoko,
403
00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:55,424
that you made something
like one of these?
404
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:58,768
What was the very first time
you really invented something?
405
00:23:58,896 --> 00:24:01,513
When I was about four years old,
406
00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,016
when I was in Japan,
407
00:24:04,193 --> 00:24:08,733
and one day,
I had a great idea, you know,
408
00:24:08,906 --> 00:24:10,863
that probably the, uh...
409
00:24:11,533 --> 00:24:14,525
if we cut all the seeds
in the world in half...
410
00:24:14,703 --> 00:24:15,534
All the seas?
411
00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:19,242
Seeds, you know, different kinds
of seeds, and glue it together,
412
00:24:19,375 --> 00:24:22,868
different seeds, and plant them,
then the whole world would...
413
00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:25,210
-Oh, "seeds"?
-Seeds, you know.
414
00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:27,546
And then it would be,
sort of like, a whole world,
415
00:24:27,675 --> 00:24:30,463
a completely different world,
all mixed of...
416
00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:33,507
you know, pine trees
with apples, hanging around,
417
00:24:33,639 --> 00:24:36,506
things like that and I thought
it would be beautiful.
418
00:24:43,607 --> 00:24:46,725
The art world was extremely
straight, really, in those days.
419
00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:48,734
It was more of
a sort of slick operation.
420
00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:50,398
You know, proper art galleries.
421
00:24:50,572 --> 00:24:53,485
Whereas, ours was
completely handmade.
422
00:24:53,617 --> 00:24:54,573
Ours was the only place
423
00:24:54,702 --> 00:24:56,693
that Yoko could
possibly show, really.
424
00:24:56,829 --> 00:25:00,663
Because I liked Yoko.
I liked the sort of daffy ideas.
425
00:25:00,791 --> 00:25:03,123
The whole thing,
it just appealed to me.
426
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:06,628
There was a piece called, uh,
'Ceiling Painting'.
427
00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:07,745
Yeah.
428
00:25:07,881 --> 00:25:10,589
And there's a painting
on the ceiling, you see.
429
00:25:10,718 --> 00:25:15,303
And my idea was for people
to climb up a long, long ladder,
430
00:25:15,431 --> 00:25:18,640
just go on climbing up
like this, and then, finally,
431
00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:21,634
reaching the ceiling
and you look at the painting
432
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,226
and it says "Yes", you know.
433
00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:24,265
It said "Yes".
434
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,056
It made my decision to go and
see the rest of the show.
435
00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:28,432
If it had said "No"
or, you know, "Uh-huh",
436
00:25:28,569 --> 00:25:30,185
I would have left
the gallery then!
437
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,062
But because it was positive,
it said "Yes," I thought, "OK."
438
00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:35,064
It's the first show I've been to
that said something,
439
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,611
you know, warm to me.
440
00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:38,150
So then I decided to see
the rest of the show
441
00:25:38,287 --> 00:25:39,197
and that's when we met.
442
00:25:39,413 --> 00:25:42,747
What John saw in Yoko's work,
whether it was, you know,
443
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:45,333
the ladder piece with the word
"Yes" on it and that...
444
00:25:45,461 --> 00:25:49,420
...the notion of that kind
of openness to the world.
445
00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:58,088
You know,
just "Yes", that was...
446
00:25:58,223 --> 00:26:01,306
that was the essential
quality of living, was "Yes".
447
00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:05,978
What he saw was
a reflection of himself.
448
00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:11,066
He was an artist, but what
he'd say about Yoko is,
449
00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:14,645
everything about Yoko
is upside-down
450
00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:16,439
from what we understand.
451
00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:18,987
Whatever you hear,
whatever she says,
452
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,235
you've got to look at
the other side, always.
453
00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:24,531
He got it.
I mean, he... Yoko touched him.
454
00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:27,040
You know,
it is as though he was...
455
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:29,835
He had something missing
that he was looking for.
456
00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:31,211
He had an emptiness.
457
00:26:39,515 --> 00:26:41,677
I met him when they did
458
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:45,969
the "Strawberry Fields Forever"
video and stuff.
459
00:26:46,355 --> 00:26:49,518
He was really, really
in bad shape.
460
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:53,393
I was walking with him
in the garden and, er...
461
00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,528
he sat there,
462
00:26:56,949 --> 00:27:01,034
kind of gazing
at this bunch of...
463
00:27:01,203 --> 00:27:02,364
at this bush.
464
00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:06,739
And he ripped off
all the leaves, like that.
465
00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:09,784
I said, "Look, John,
that bush can't help it.
466
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,252
You don't have to hurt
the bush, you know."
467
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,958
And, "Klaus, I'm so unhappy."
468
00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:17,250
He was really...
469
00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:19,711
you know, kind of letting go
470
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:22,762
and he started crying,
you know.
471
00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:32,185
When it really did hit,
472
00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:34,558
when The Beatles really
did take off, I mean...
473
00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,478
there was no breathing room.
474
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,567
There was no choice in...
475
00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:43,151
in life choices of what
you could and couldn't do.
476
00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:47,989
I think the whole experience
was fun to start with, but then,
477
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:52,289
once you realised that,
"Well, this is my life, “ um,
478
00:27:52,421 --> 00:27:56,335
and, in fact,
"It's not actually my life,
479
00:27:56,466 --> 00:28:00,334
it's their life and who am I
any more within this?"
480
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,518
And that's when Yoko
came, that it changed 100%.
481
00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:20,192
She gave him everything
he needed
482
00:28:20,324 --> 00:28:22,110
and he changed completely.
483
00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:25,075
A-one, two,
a-one, two, three, four!
484
00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:38,122
Stop asking us, "Do you
think it's going to work?"
485
00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:39,589
You know,
do something yourself.
486
00:28:48,936 --> 00:28:52,145
The only way we can change it
is by changing it non-violently.
487
00:28:52,272 --> 00:28:55,014
Because they've done the violent
kick for millions of years.
488
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:57,391
They're on all the time
selling their war
489
00:28:57,527 --> 00:28:58,733
and selling their products.
490
00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:00,273
We must do the same.
491
00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:02,737
No matter how beautiful
a poem is,
492
00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:04,527
if you can't share it
with people,
493
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:06,492
if you can't reach people,
then it's crap.
494
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:09,783
The only way to change
the world is change their minds.
495
00:29:09,915 --> 00:29:11,656
We can do that,
we can still do that.
496
00:29:11,792 --> 00:29:13,282
This bed is a platform.
497
00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:16,243
Go away!
498
00:29:42,406 --> 00:29:45,524
Did Yoko's presence, John, did
it lead to tension in the group?
499
00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:47,741
-Was it part of the break-up?
-The tension was already there,
500
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:48,779
you see.
501
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,323
I said if we talk about
The Beatles,
502
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:51,536
I want you in the bag.
503
00:29:51,707 --> 00:29:52,617
Are you going to do that?
504
00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:54,080
What do you want me
in the bag for, John?
505
00:29:54,209 --> 00:29:57,247
-Alright, fine.
-He's a sport!
506
00:29:57,379 --> 00:30:00,588
In the interest
of communication, John.
507
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,836
All we're saying is,
give peace a chance.
508
00:30:07,514 --> 00:30:09,505
If the least we can do
is give somebody a laugh,
509
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:11,177
we're willing to be
the world's clowns.
510
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,802
Well, they thought she was
a fruit-and-nut case,
511
00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:19,182
and they thought that John had
lost his mind by being with her.
512
00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:21,559
I was dismayed and appalled
513
00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:23,944
by what you did,
sending back the MBE.
514
00:30:24,072 --> 00:30:29,818
You used two huge, catastrophic
events of unspeakable horror
515
00:30:29,953 --> 00:30:33,116
as a convenient reason, when you
might just as well have said,
516
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:35,785
"I got up and had a sinus
headache this morning."
517
00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:37,248
A convenient reason
for what?
518
00:30:37,377 --> 00:30:38,788
For sending back the MBE.
519
00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:45,124
This is my first day at work
520
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:47,467
and the first thing I had to do
in the Apple offices
521
00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:50,679
was type this letter on a really
ropey old typewriter.
522
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:54,141
And it said, "Your Majesty,
I'm returning this MBE
523
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:56,055
in protest against Britain's
involvement
524
00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:57,804
in this Nigeria-Biafra thing,
525
00:30:57,939 --> 00:31:00,146
against our support
of America in Vietnam
526
00:31:00,609 --> 00:31:02,691
and against 'Cold Turkey'
slipping down the charts.
527
00:31:03,362 --> 00:31:05,603
With love, John Lennon of Bag."
528
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:07,901
Then he rang me immediately
at the Evening Standard
529
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:09,114
and said what he'd done.
530
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:11,734
And I said,
"God Almighty, done what?"
531
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,237
I think I said at the time,
"Well, are you sure
532
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:16,910
that mentioning 'Cold Turkey'
and the war in Biafra...?
533
00:31:17,042 --> 00:31:18,874
You know,
they don't sort of mix well."
534
00:31:19,086 --> 00:31:19,951
I thought, "You're crackers."
535
00:31:20,087 --> 00:31:21,498
If I'm going to get
on the front page,
536
00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:23,997
I might as well get on the front
page with the word "peace".
537
00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:25,918
But you've made
yourself ridiculous!
538
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,792
The medal has nothing
to do with it.
539
00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:29,175
-No, exactly!
-So?
540
00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:30,635
This is why you've got
all the publicity.
541
00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:32,755
But without the medal there
would have been no publicity.
542
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:34,381
I would have had to think
of something else
543
00:31:34,518 --> 00:31:36,350
to interest
our brothers of the press.
544
00:31:36,478 --> 00:31:38,845
And while they're bothering
about how long my hair is
545
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:40,311
and the irrelevancy
of 'Cold Turkey'
546
00:31:40,482 --> 00:31:42,064
and "how dare you
insult the Queen"
547
00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:44,058
and "your auntie was upset
by handing it back",
548
00:31:44,194 --> 00:31:45,935
-the main purpose...
-That's a load of garbage!
549
00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:49,484
OK, that's leaving the door open
as far as we're concerned.
550
00:32:32,742 --> 00:32:37,407
I had this idea about
making a band that...
551
00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:42,875
Nobody's really involved in it,
except the people in the band
552
00:32:43,003 --> 00:32:45,244
are just plastic boxes
like this.
553
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:56,464
I just remember playing
on that show and then,
554
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,012
I was going,
"Where did Yoko go?"
555
00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:03,684
And started looking around,
there was a bag on the floor
556
00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:08,560
with Yoko in it
with a microphone lead in there.
557
00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:12,404
And I was going, "Where's that
sound coming from?"
558
00:33:13,241 --> 00:33:14,902
But it was kind of cool.
559
00:33:15,035 --> 00:33:18,073
It was their own way of
expression at that time.
560
00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:27,328
When we were doing the Toronto
thing, she was suddenly coming
561
00:33:27,464 --> 00:33:29,796
out of her bag and started
screaming and doing things.
562
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,087
And the public couldn't
do anything with it, you know.
563
00:33:36,223 --> 00:33:39,306
You could be happy they don't
throw tomatoes or something.
564
00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:46,105
The fact, of course,
that she was a foreigner
565
00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:49,271
was used nonstop.
566
00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:53,400
I remember being shocked even
before I knew John and Yoko,
567
00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:58,277
by the nastiness of some
of the attacks on her.
568
00:33:58,578 --> 00:33:59,488
False.
569
00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:01,365
Vicious.
570
00:34:02,582 --> 00:34:03,413
Racist.
571
00:34:31,278 --> 00:34:33,144
You have to understand
The Beatles and the relationship
572
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:35,653
with the English people,
the British people.
573
00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:36,772
They were ours.
574
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,320
The entire country
was in love with them.
575
00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:40,575
I can't tell you,
576
00:34:40,704 --> 00:34:42,786
it was like, there was
the Beatles and the Queen
577
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:43,870
and that was it, you know.
578
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:48,166
And then, suddenly, along comes
this strange-looking woman,
579
00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:51,378
you know, with all the hair,
and her hair fell down
580
00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:54,168
so you just sort of see
a little bit of her face.
581
00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:56,629
Mysterious,
in black all the time.
582
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,503
And this woman is stealing
our John,
583
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,006
our John, our Beatle, away.
584
00:35:12,027 --> 00:35:13,267
That's got to be a tough call,
585
00:35:13,403 --> 00:35:14,814
having all that
anger thrown at you.
586
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:18,530
Because, one minute you're loved
by the world and then,
587
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,907
you know, despised by many.
588
00:35:23,371 --> 00:35:28,491
Having to defend your life
on pretty much every level
589
00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:31,210
is a pretty hard thing
to have to deal with
590
00:35:31,338 --> 00:35:33,500
after what you've just
been through.
591
00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:36,750
I mean, that's a complete
180 on every level.
592
00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:43,050
I knew he wanted
to get away from it.
593
00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:46,141
It was as though he was trapped
by being a Beatle.
594
00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:48,226
He really just
wanted to end it.
595
00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:50,888
He wanted to be an artist.
596
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,392
He wanted to be an artist,
he wanted to be John, you know,
597
00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:57,565
and it says in the song,
"I was," you know...
598
00:35:57,697 --> 00:36:00,064
"And now I'm just John,"
you know.
599
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,908
"So, my friends, you'll
have to carry on," you know.
600
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,766
I like being young,
you see.
601
00:36:38,238 --> 00:36:41,071
I didn't know
you were in drag all the time.
602
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,236
-He is in drag.
-You're just pretending.
603
00:36:44,828 --> 00:36:46,239
-He's a big pretender.
-Oh, shit.
604
00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:49,079
-Come on.
-Just watch out now.
605
00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:52,416
A pretender.
That's terrific.
606
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:55,753
Oh, wow.
I got it, I got the message.
607
00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:03,419
Now, you got your real
pretender thing going on.
608
00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:05,341
Oh, I got it. I got you.
609
00:37:05,473 --> 00:37:07,589
John---...
610
00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:09,057
Sorry.
611
00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:13,019
This is for love I'm doing this.
You understand? And for art.
612
00:37:13,148 --> 00:37:14,980
-He just wanted to strip.
-The sake of art.
613
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:16,732
I didn't want to strip.
614
00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:29,654
Yeah, well,
tell us if you need any spaces.
615
00:37:34,919 --> 00:37:37,832
Almost everything Yoko did
616
00:37:38,006 --> 00:37:40,668
was to try to get the audience
617
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,542
or the observer to take part.
618
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:47,842
And to use their own minds and
to awaken things in their minds
619
00:37:48,016 --> 00:37:50,849
and this is a perfect
example of it.
620
00:37:51,019 --> 00:37:54,011
It is wonderful
to have you here with us today
621
00:37:54,189 --> 00:37:56,726
at the 'Grapefruit'
signing session.
622
00:37:56,858 --> 00:37:58,940
We have Miss Self ridge
and Mr Self ridge
623
00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:00,604
and all the little Self ridges.
624
00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:03,103
Yeah?
625
00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:04,692
'Cloud Piece'.
626
00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:06,731
"Imagine the clouds dripping."
627
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,902
"Dig a hole in your garden
to put them in."
628
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,780
"1963, spring."
629
00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,329
It is very funny.
630
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:18,786
Cos the clouds aren't going to
go in the hole in the garden.
631
00:38:18,922 --> 00:38:22,005
It's just a nice way of saying
let your imagination run.
632
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:23,419
That's what it means to me.
633
00:38:23,593 --> 00:38:26,005
This is classic Yoko.
634
00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:29,053
It starts
with the word "imagine".
635
00:38:30,058 --> 00:38:32,049
A bit of existential nonsense.
636
00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:35,681
I'm not impressed.
637
00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:39,230
The 'clouds dripping' is that
a good thing or a bad thing?
638
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,100
And do you get rid of them
639
00:38:41,236 --> 00:38:42,897
by putting them in a hole
in the garden?
640
00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:46,738
I imagine myself crying...
641
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:51,527
and using my tears
to make myself stronger.
642
00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,404
The customer's
always right!
643
00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:28,613
Want a drink?
644
00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:30,319
David Bailey's studio.
645
00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:32,692
Two-six-five, take one.
646
00:39:41,087 --> 00:39:42,293
They were a merged unit,
647
00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:44,124
they were more than
a husband and wife.
648
00:39:44,299 --> 00:39:45,539
They were more than
a partnership.
649
00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:49,634
They had completely merged
their sensibilities.
650
00:39:49,971 --> 00:39:51,962
What's this film for,
your grandchildren?
651
00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:55,807
No. For the record.
We've just made a record.
652
00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,260
That's great.
Stay like that.
653
00:39:59,439 --> 00:40:00,224
Good.
654
00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:03,811
Don't move a thing,
just point that toe down.
655
00:40:04,152 --> 00:40:05,313
It was just a shoot.
656
00:40:05,486 --> 00:40:07,068
You know,
it wasn't anything special.
657
00:40:07,196 --> 00:40:09,312
I just let them lead me,
in a Way.
658
00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:10,655
Good. Now...
659
00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:12,657
It's really like
Blue Angel, isn't it?
660
00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:15,660
-Yeah. Say "lesbian".
-Lesbian.
661
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:16,570
Good.
662
00:40:16,706 --> 00:40:18,617
Chin down a bit.
Eyes at me, yeah.
663
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:20,707
He was an asshole,
so I thought he was great.
664
00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:23,247
I really got on great with him.
665
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,537
He could've been a cockney-.
666
00:40:25,798 --> 00:40:27,414
Cos you were the great
David Bailey,
667
00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:28,790
it was probably life or death
668
00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:30,838
whether you came out
all right or not.
669
00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:33,796
You were one of the
Swinging Englanders.
670
00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:34,672
No, I wasn't.
671
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:37,219
Come on! As much as we were.
672
00:40:37,352 --> 00:40:39,343
-No. Much less.
-Bullshit!
673
00:40:39,479 --> 00:40:41,311
I've never been down
the King's Road in my life.
674
00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:44,101
Neither did I, till I read
about it in the papers.
675
00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:45,857
He was flirting with her
in a way,
676
00:40:46,027 --> 00:40:48,394
but flirting with her
in front of a camera.
677
00:40:48,738 --> 00:40:51,196
It looked much nicer before.
That hand's a bit forced.
678
00:40:51,366 --> 00:40:52,948
Yeah, right. That's what I say.
679
00:40:53,076 --> 00:40:55,443
Shall we get back in?
It's always cosy.
680
00:40:55,578 --> 00:40:57,364
He was pushing it
to be more sexy.
681
00:40:58,164 --> 00:41:00,747
It seemed almost adolescent,
a bit adolescent to do.
682
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:02,491
That's what I felt
at the time.
683
00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:05,293
That's great. Good.
684
00:41:05,421 --> 00:41:06,707
Kiss her this way a bit more,
John.
685
00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:08,876
-Yeah.
-That's lovely. Good.
686
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:11,417
-OK, good.
-I like this bit.
687
00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:13,213
He fancied her so much.
688
00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:14,878
Relax. Don't move.
Stay like that.
689
00:41:15,056 --> 00:41:17,889
He was doing it for us,
in a way.
690
00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:21,851
He was showing his emotions
for her.
691
00:41:22,063 --> 00:41:23,394
He was letting us see it.
692
00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:49,709
'Jealous Guy' was such
a beautiful piece of music.
693
00:41:49,841 --> 00:41:52,424
So typically John Lennon,
694
00:41:52,552 --> 00:41:56,090
intuitive, like,
'nothing to worry about'.
695
00:41:56,222 --> 00:42:00,136
And then Klaus,
the way he hugged the beat.
696
00:42:00,268 --> 00:42:03,386
I love it
because it's very personal, too,
697
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:08,607
because that was the moment
where I actually got so much
698
00:42:08,776 --> 00:42:11,734
info what he was saying
and the way he was playing,
699
00:42:11,863 --> 00:42:14,605
and I didn't know
what I was playing.
700
00:42:14,741 --> 00:42:17,574
It was like a trance
sort of thing.
701
00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:21,195
I didn't know what key I was in.
It just floated automatically.
702
00:42:31,758 --> 00:42:34,796
I heard him singing
and watched him singing,
703
00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:38,795
and listening to these
beautiful chords and feeling
704
00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:43,767
the groove, so it was like such
a gentle little thing.
705
00:42:43,895 --> 00:42:46,353
We weren't being precious
with it.
706
00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:49,146
It just was accommodating
the lyric.
707
00:42:54,447 --> 00:42:56,154
Would it be fair
to say we're getting away
708
00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:58,569
from the property concept
of relationship?
709
00:42:58,701 --> 00:43:00,157
That's all very well
intellectually,
710
00:43:00,286 --> 00:43:01,947
but when you are in love
with somebody,
711
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,946
you tend to be jealous
and want to own them,
712
00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:06,119
and possess them 100%,
which I do.
713
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:08,958
But intellectually, before that,
well, I thought, "Right."
714
00:43:09,087 --> 00:43:12,330
I mean,
"Owning a person is rubbish."
715
00:43:12,507 --> 00:43:15,169
But I love Yoko, I want
to possess her completely.
716
00:43:15,343 --> 00:43:17,004
I don't want to stifle her.
717
00:43:18,012 --> 00:43:19,377
I think
we're starting to relax.
718
00:43:19,514 --> 00:43:22,097
And because you have so little
as a child, I think it is.
719
00:43:22,225 --> 00:43:25,843
Once you find it,
you want to hang on to it.
720
00:43:25,978 --> 00:43:28,845
You grab it so much,
you tend to kill it.
721
00:44:34,255 --> 00:44:37,748
I particularly remember
when 'Jealous Guy' was recorded,
722
00:44:37,925 --> 00:44:41,384
and that was, I don't know, five
in the morning or something,
723
00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:43,549
everybody got called in
to listen to this
724
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:46,594
and it was a very moving song.
Very powerful.
725
00:44:46,726 --> 00:44:49,559
And I think people were
welling up and feeling,
726
00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:52,429
you know,
kind of a real feeling of,
727
00:44:52,565 --> 00:44:54,602
"Wow, this is amazing,
powerful stuff."
728
00:45:47,286 --> 00:45:48,401
Diana said to me
one morning,
729
00:45:48,537 --> 00:45:49,993
we just got this
telegram and it says,
730
00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:51,370
"Hi, I'm coming.
731
00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:54,453
And I'll be there soon,
signed Claudio."
732
00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:56,451
And everybody thought,
"Well, he can't get here,"
733
00:45:56,587 --> 00:45:57,748
and I said,
"I'm not so sure.”
734
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,917
And lo and behold,
he turned up at the gate.
735
00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:05,093
This was a shell-shocked
Vietnam veteran, a young man.
736
00:46:05,221 --> 00:46:07,838
I think he '0' been in a hospital
in San Francisco,
737
00:46:08,015 --> 00:46:09,972
and he was about
to be released.
738
00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:13,969
Don't confuse the songs
with your own life.
739
00:46:14,689 --> 00:46:16,646
I mean, they might have
relevance to your own life,
740
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:18,685
but a lot of things do.
741
00:46:21,279 --> 00:46:23,361
And we went through
a number of things.
742
00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:25,696
The police wanted to arrest him,
and John said, "Don't..."
743
00:46:25,866 --> 00:46:27,356
You know, "Don '1' hurt' him."
744
00:46:27,493 --> 00:46:29,200
And then I had this guy
called Claudio
745
00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:30,614
saying, "I'm coming,
I'm coming.
746
00:46:30,746 --> 00:46:33,238
And I only have to look in
your eyes and then I'll know."
747
00:46:33,374 --> 00:46:35,866
So last week, he turned
up at the house, you know.
748
00:46:36,002 --> 00:46:38,619
He was obviously
very, very infatuated by John,
749
00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:40,995
and he sent a lot of letters.
750
00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:43,669
And some of the time,
he thought he was John.
751
00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:47,218
But he also wanted to meet him,
desperately wanted to meet him.
752
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:51,048
So we've met, you know. I'm just
a guy, man, who writes songs.
753
00:46:53,436 --> 00:46:55,723
We can only say hello.
And what else is there?
754
00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:56,886
Yeah.
755
00:46:57,773 --> 00:46:59,559
Yeah,
I figured that if we met,
756
00:47:00,484 --> 00:47:02,225
I'd know, you know,
just by meeting you.
757
00:47:03,279 --> 00:47:04,735
But know what?
758
00:47:05,614 --> 00:47:08,197
You know, if what I was
thinking was true.
759
00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:11,489
-Is it true?
-Well, I guess not.
760
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:13,577
-Right. I'm just a guy, man.
-Yeah.
761
00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:16,414
But... Yeah.
762
00:47:16,584 --> 00:47:18,040
But it all fits.
763
00:47:18,169 --> 00:47:20,831
Anything fits. If you're
tripping off on some trip,
764
00:47:20,963 --> 00:47:22,749
anything fits, you know.
765
00:47:23,424 --> 00:47:24,914
Remember that one, um...
766
00:47:25,092 --> 00:47:26,548
"You can radiate
everything you are.
767
00:47:26,677 --> 00:47:28,088
You can penetrate
anywhere you go"?
768
00:47:28,262 --> 00:47:30,674
-Yeah.
-"Syndicate any..." Yeah.
769
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:32,922
That was just having
fun with words.
770
00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:36,926
I thought of
the 'radiate, syndicate'.
771
00:47:37,104 --> 00:47:40,096
'Radiate', she wrote that.
'Radiate and syndicate'.
772
00:47:40,232 --> 00:47:41,814
I was just having fun
with words.
773
00:47:41,942 --> 00:47:44,479
It was literally
a nonsense song.
774
00:47:44,612 --> 00:47:45,602
I wouldn't tell you,
unless...
775
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:48,522
I mean, Dylan does that,
anybody does it, you know.
776
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:52,442
They just take words,
you stick them together
777
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:54,782
and it's like throwing
the 'I Ching' or something.
778
00:47:54,914 --> 00:47:55,870
You just see what happens.
779
00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:57,955
You take a bunch of words,
you throw them out
780
00:47:58,084 --> 00:47:59,370
and see if they have
any meaning.
781
00:47:59,502 --> 00:48:00,913
Some of them do,
some of them don't.
782
00:48:02,046 --> 00:48:03,957
And your "Old Hare
Krishna has nothing on you"?
783
00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:07,674
Yeah. Well, he don't.
You know, I mean, you're it.
784
00:48:15,643 --> 00:48:18,761
See, that last album of mine
was me coming out of my dream.
785
00:48:22,024 --> 00:48:24,311
Seems like
it could've been different.
786
00:48:24,443 --> 00:48:25,478
What could've?
787
00:48:27,071 --> 00:48:29,233
Well, before that last album,
the way it built up...
788
00:48:30,157 --> 00:48:33,866
To me, it was just
a hallucination, a dream.
789
00:48:34,203 --> 00:48:37,662
It is now...
'cause it's over.
790
00:48:38,082 --> 00:48:39,038
Right.
791
00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:43,535
You can last your whole life
on that dream, you know.
792
00:48:46,132 --> 00:48:47,839
And then it's all over.
793
00:48:51,846 --> 00:48:54,463
You weren't thinking of anyone
in particular
794
00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:55,679
when you were singing all that?
795
00:48:55,850 --> 00:48:58,137
How could I be? How could
I be thinking of you, man?
796
00:48:58,269 --> 00:49:00,010
Well, I don't know.
Maybe... I don't care me,
797
00:49:00,187 --> 00:49:01,723
but it's all somebody.
798
00:49:01,856 --> 00:49:05,520
I'm thinking about me, or at
best, Yoko, if it's a love song.
799
00:49:07,695 --> 00:49:10,357
You know, and I maybe think
about an audience in general.
800
00:49:10,531 --> 00:49:13,239
If I'm singing "Old Hare Krishna
got nothing on you",
801
00:49:13,367 --> 00:49:15,984
I'm sort of talking to any old
friends who've been listening
802
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,361
to what we were saying
and I'm saying, "Look, well,
803
00:49:18,539 --> 00:49:20,951
I think it's a lot of bullshit,
now."
804
00:49:21,167 --> 00:49:23,955
You know,
"Let's forget it," you know.
805
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:27,583
And that,
as far as I'm concerned, and...
806
00:49:29,049 --> 00:49:30,881
But that's it.
I'm basically singing about me.
807
00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:33,042
I'm saying, you know,
"I had a good shit today,"
808
00:49:33,179 --> 00:49:35,045
and, "This is what I thought
this morning,"
809
00:49:35,222 --> 00:49:37,884
and, "I love you, Yoko."
810
00:49:38,017 --> 00:49:40,008
Whatever. I'm singing about me
and my life, you know.
811
00:49:40,144 --> 00:49:41,805
If it's relevant
for other people's lives,
812
00:49:41,937 --> 00:49:43,052
that's all right.
813
00:49:46,775 --> 00:49:48,891
He had great empathy,
814
00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:51,986
which, if you think about it,
can be very painful.
815
00:49:52,698 --> 00:49:53,779
You know, he cared.
816
00:49:53,908 --> 00:49:55,364
Are you hungry?
817
00:49:57,203 --> 00:49:58,534
-Hmm?
-Yeah.
818
00:49:58,662 --> 00:50:00,152
Let's give him
something to eat.
819
00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:46,666
I went there, I think,
about three or four times,
820
00:50:46,794 --> 00:50:50,753
sometimes to do the interview
and sometimes just to hang out.
821
00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:53,748
One day, John rang and said...
822
00:50:53,926 --> 00:50:55,007
"Do you want to come over?
823
00:50:55,135 --> 00:50:58,378
I've got a new song
I want to play it to you.
824
00:50:59,139 --> 00:51:01,221
And it's part of a new album."
825
00:51:01,350 --> 00:51:03,216
Well, there's only
three I've written this year.
826
00:51:03,352 --> 00:51:05,639
All the rest were things
I'd written before
827
00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,853
and just polished them off.
828
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:10,306
There's a nice one called
'Crippled Inside'.
829
00:51:10,484 --> 00:51:11,849
I'll play it you later.
830
00:51:11,986 --> 00:51:13,818
We just chatted.
831
00:51:13,988 --> 00:51:16,980
I have to shave my
moustache off, have my hair cut,
832
00:51:17,116 --> 00:51:19,323
because I went in
under false papers...
833
00:51:19,451 --> 00:51:20,407
Yes, I read it.
834
00:51:20,536 --> 00:51:21,651
We heard it too
because of...
835
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:23,319
We were talking about
the government,
836
00:51:23,497 --> 00:51:27,661
we were talking about
what was going on in Vietnam,
837
00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:29,909
the Cultural Revolution
in China,
838
00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:32,332
the Japanese student movement.
839
00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:35,168
Did I hear there was
some good news on China?
840
00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:38,676
Well, there's some
good news on Vietnam.
841
00:51:39,013 --> 00:51:40,629
The impression we have is that
842
00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:43,096
if we discussed it more
concretely,
843
00:51:43,225 --> 00:51:44,886
the Vietnamese
would be very pleased.
844
00:51:45,019 --> 00:51:47,181
The things that were
animating them
845
00:51:47,313 --> 00:51:50,146
were the things that were
animating, you know,
846
00:51:50,274 --> 00:51:51,264
a whole generation.
847
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,562
The war in Vietnam,
in particular.
848
00:51:53,694 --> 00:51:56,607
Difficult to explain
now to people
849
00:51:56,739 --> 00:51:59,948
how much that war did
to radicalise us.
850
00:52:00,075 --> 00:52:04,694
And the election
of Richard Nixon
851
00:52:05,539 --> 00:52:07,371
escalated the war further.
852
00:52:07,499 --> 00:52:10,912
I mean, they took it
one whole country further
853
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:15,288
by wrecking Cambodia,
bombing it indiscriminately
854
00:52:15,424 --> 00:52:18,041
and destroying its government.
855
00:53:11,271 --> 00:53:14,605
The world's largest,
most powerful military nation
856
00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:17,976
bombing what was
essentially a peasant country.
857
00:53:18,112 --> 00:53:21,400
They were deliberately
targeting civilians.
858
00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:04,651
There was a great
revolution taking place
859
00:54:04,825 --> 00:54:06,065
across the globe.
860
00:54:07,411 --> 00:54:09,197
The youth of that time
were saying,
861
00:54:09,329 --> 00:54:11,320
"We don't like the world
we were born into.
862
00:54:11,457 --> 00:54:13,869
We want it to be different.
We want to change it."
863
00:54:29,141 --> 00:54:31,007
Coming of age in the late '60s,
864
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,517
learning about the civil rights
movement,
865
00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:35,431
learning about the war
in Vietnam,
866
00:54:35,564 --> 00:54:39,728
I started to become angry
and upset.
867
00:54:40,235 --> 00:54:41,851
And, to a certain extent,
868
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:44,566
embarrassed that I was part
of a big lie.
869
00:54:50,788 --> 00:54:52,028
There were riots
870
00:54:52,164 --> 00:54:54,075
outside
the American Embassy.
871
00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:06,509
It didn't go down well with the
Establishment, that's for sure.
872
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:09,425
And the older generation
didn't appreciate it.
873
00:55:10,224 --> 00:55:12,511
The people are the government,
the people have the power.
874
00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:15,385
Al! we have to do is awaken
the power in the people.
875
00:55:32,246 --> 00:55:35,034
You know, these
impressions never go away.
876
00:55:35,165 --> 00:55:36,200
I can still see them.
877
00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:40,076
And they were hugely
important in radicalising me.
878
00:55:40,254 --> 00:55:42,495
And so, we used
to discuss these things.
879
00:55:42,631 --> 00:55:44,747
And Yoko, of course, knew.
880
00:55:44,883 --> 00:55:46,465
She said, "Yeah, I know,
881
00:55:46,593 --> 00:55:48,755
and you know
what they did to Japan
882
00:55:48,929 --> 00:55:52,467
and the way
they bombed my country."
883
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:10,273
War was not
an abstraction to her.
884
00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:14,660
She experienced it first-hand.
885
00:56:16,498 --> 00:56:19,707
Yoko came from an
extraordinarily privileged class
886
00:56:21,295 --> 00:56:22,956
from a banking family.
887
00:56:27,593 --> 00:56:32,338
And then the skies opened up
and the bombs fell.
888
00:57:04,796 --> 00:57:09,882
And she spoke to me about
being in the countryside...
889
00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:15,926
looking for food,
looking for shelter...
890
00:57:18,185 --> 00:57:23,396
and looking for some way home
that no longer existed.
891
00:57:38,956 --> 00:57:43,701
In the Second World War,
I was in the middle of it.
892
00:57:43,835 --> 00:57:45,917
All the kids had to evacuate.
893
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:50,544
And we evacuated
in a country house.
894
00:57:53,387 --> 00:57:56,721
Even now,
I remember how my brother,
895
00:57:56,848 --> 00:58:00,011
who was really always happy...
896
00:58:00,435 --> 00:58:01,846
Like this, you know?
897
00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:04,720
And he sat like that.
898
00:58:06,066 --> 00:58:07,181
Like this.
899
00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:10,191
So I said,
"Kei, what's happening?"
900
00:58:10,988 --> 00:58:12,478
"Well, I'm hungry."
901
00:58:13,323 --> 00:58:16,236
I didn't know what to do,
because we didn't have the food.
902
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:22,122
So, I said, "OK, let's create
a great menu!"
903
00:58:23,792 --> 00:58:27,877
And I said, "What would
you like most to eat?"
904
00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:29,745
"Ice cream!"
905
00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:31,546
"OK, ice cream."
906
00:58:31,675 --> 00:58:35,259
He started
to get sort of happier.
907
00:58:35,429 --> 00:58:38,547
And I thought, "Oh, my God,
this is great," you know.
908
00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:42,929
And you imagined a meal, then?
909
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:45,978
'Imagine' made a lot of things
for me.
910
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:50,270
Give it to Jacqueline!
911
00:58:50,402 --> 00:58:51,858
Yeah, you're the next oldest,
Jacque.
912
00:58:51,987 --> 00:58:53,443
Yeah, well,
I don't like reading, do I?
913
00:58:53,613 --> 00:58:54,728
Yeah, you do.
914
00:58:54,865 --> 00:58:57,448
You got good reports
in your reading.
915
00:58:57,617 --> 00:58:59,278
-No, I didn't.
-Yes, you did.
916
00:58:59,453 --> 00:59:00,158
I didn't.
917
00:59:00,287 --> 00:59:02,119
You didn't exactly get E,
did you?
918
00:59:02,247 --> 00:59:07,413
"Skin 2,000 balloons, fly them
in the air. 1964, spring.
919
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:08,909
That's 'Fly Piece'."
920
00:59:09,463 --> 00:59:11,170
Well, if you skinned a balloon,
921
00:59:11,298 --> 00:59:12,788
it wouldn't be able to fly,
would it?
922
00:59:12,966 --> 00:59:13,876
Ow!
923
00:59:16,136 --> 00:59:17,752
No, you've got to use
your imagination,
924
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:20,137
or it doesn't mean anything,
otherwise.
925
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:27,140
I'm going to put a board on now.
This is A1, head slate.
926
01:00:04,851 --> 01:00:07,183
It probably took no more
than two or three hours
927
01:00:07,312 --> 01:00:09,770
to get the core of 'imagine'
into shape.
928
01:00:09,898 --> 01:00:13,391
Then it was refinement for the
rest of the recording session.
929
01:00:20,784 --> 01:00:22,445
Played over you...
930
01:00:22,661 --> 01:00:25,949
See, I think it would be better
if he just played...
931
01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:27,784
We're not getting any of it.
932
01:00:27,916 --> 01:00:29,031
...either a piano underneath.
933
01:00:29,167 --> 01:00:31,750
It should just be a piano song,
you know.
934
01:00:36,049 --> 01:00:37,915
See, when we tape
I'd go to him...
935
01:00:38,051 --> 01:00:40,668
Nicky, we can try you
an octave higher on the piano,
936
01:00:40,804 --> 01:00:42,294
playing the same as me, almost.
937
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:43,670
Yeah, OK.
938
01:00:44,432 --> 01:00:45,718
John would do that
sort of thing,
939
01:00:45,851 --> 01:00:47,512
"Come and sit down,
and play with me."
940
01:00:49,479 --> 01:00:52,972
They'd play it together and see
if they could enhance it.
941
01:00:53,483 --> 01:00:54,439
So...
942
01:01:00,949 --> 01:01:02,485
No, do the same as me.
943
01:01:03,618 --> 01:01:08,112
The thought was that
the piano in the white room,
944
01:01:08,248 --> 01:01:09,784
because it was
a far better piano
945
01:01:09,916 --> 01:01:12,624
than the upright in the studio,
946
01:01:12,752 --> 01:01:15,835
that it would give
a better piano sound.
947
01:01:22,304 --> 01:01:23,920
Yoko, why don't you go in there
and listen,
948
01:01:24,097 --> 01:01:25,178
instead of being here?
949
01:01:34,232 --> 01:01:38,817
OK. Let's just try it
with piano, bass and drums.
950
01:01:41,156 --> 01:01:43,773
Yeah, good.
We'll come in on the F now.
951
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:47,068
I don't think you can stay in,
but just try coming in on the F.
952
01:01:47,787 --> 01:01:51,280
John tried it out, but there was
just too much room content.
953
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:53,866
The room was too reverberant.
954
01:01:54,002 --> 01:01:57,495
And it wasn't a complementary
reverberation of the piano.
955
01:01:57,631 --> 01:01:58,621
Yes?
956
01:01:58,757 --> 01:02:00,623
The piano
sounds terrible.
957
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,461
Play it on this.. -
And Nicky. ..
958
01:02:02,594 --> 01:02:05,677
And then we'll track it later
or something.
959
01:02:05,805 --> 01:02:07,466
That might be the best answer.
960
01:02:07,641 --> 01:02:10,429
Yeah, OK. Well, look, I'll just
do it and track it myself,
961
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,018
but not in octaves,
the same key, you know.
962
01:02:13,146 --> 01:02:15,103
-Same register?
—Yeah, right, right.
963
01:02:15,232 --> 01:02:17,644
- The problem is in that room.
-OK, let's go, then.
964
01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:18,852
It's spread out like hell.
965
01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:21,101
Well,
I wish they'd told us before.
966
01:02:21,488 --> 01:02:22,444
Phil?
967
01:02:25,867 --> 01:02:28,154
"And the world will be as one!"
968
01:02:28,328 --> 01:02:31,787
So, we'll have to do this some
other day, ladies and gentlemen!
969
01:02:32,165 --> 01:02:36,329
You see? Because they've only
taken an hour, you see,
970
01:02:36,461 --> 01:02:38,953
to tell us that the noise
is spreading in this room,
971
01:02:39,089 --> 01:02:39,874
YOU see?
972
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,507
Just don't forget.
973
01:02:53,645 --> 01:02:55,852
Well, it was
in the afternoon,
974
01:02:55,981 --> 01:03:00,100
and I think it was the first
song we played in that day.
975
01:03:00,610 --> 01:03:02,192
And everybody came in and,
976
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,061
"We're gonna do 'Imagine'
today."
977
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:05,729
That's the best, I think.
978
01:03:09,077 --> 01:03:13,071
And so, we all stood
around and listened to it.
979
01:03:13,206 --> 01:03:17,746
And it was apparent that that
was going to be a big, big one.
980
01:03:22,924 --> 01:03:25,336
-Vibes.
-Vibes, right.
981
01:03:25,468 --> 01:03:29,257
He played it on the piano
and he gave everybody lyrics,
982
01:03:29,723 --> 01:03:32,055
and he wanted everybody
to read them.
983
01:03:38,565 --> 01:03:39,976
First of all,
984
01:03:40,108 --> 01:03:41,815
I didn't care about
what the drums played
985
01:03:41,943 --> 01:03:43,854
because the lyrics
were so stunning,
986
01:03:44,571 --> 01:03:48,280
so I said,
"I've just got to really cater
987
01:03:48,908 --> 01:03:50,740
to what this song needs."
988
01:04:19,356 --> 01:04:22,769
It was just so simple,
so nice and, still, to this day,
989
01:04:22,942 --> 01:04:27,186
I feel that if he would have
played it just on the piano,
990
01:04:27,322 --> 01:04:30,906
no bass, no drums,
no strings,
991
01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:33,196
no nothing,
it would have been enough.
992
01:04:33,453 --> 01:04:35,911
The song was really finished
already.
993
01:04:46,966 --> 01:04:49,833
The feeling of the vocal
and what the words meant
994
01:04:49,969 --> 01:04:52,586
were really huge, in my mind.
995
01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:03,730
Imagine what it means if we
can get rid of all the labels,
996
01:05:03,858 --> 01:05:06,976
all the categories,
all the things that divide us,
997
01:05:07,112 --> 01:05:08,602
and imagine that.
998
01:05:09,823 --> 01:05:12,030
Because that's
the way to peace.
999
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:14,532
It's that, at first,
you have to see it,
1000
01:05:14,661 --> 01:05:16,618
you have to be able
to imagine it.
1001
01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:19,704
And the role of the imagination,
not just in art,
1002
01:05:19,874 --> 01:05:22,115
but in being
a complete human being.
1003
01:05:29,175 --> 01:05:31,212
He's not shoving it
down people's throats.
1004
01:05:31,344 --> 01:05:32,834
I mean, this is what I admire.
1005
01:05:33,012 --> 01:05:35,845
And it's not religious,
it's not political.
1006
01:05:36,015 --> 01:05:38,882
It's just humanity and life.
1007
01:05:42,605 --> 01:05:45,142
To imagine something
1008
01:05:45,275 --> 01:05:48,393
is not a passive experience.
1009
01:05:49,112 --> 01:05:51,023
That if you want the kind
of world
1010
01:05:51,156 --> 01:05:53,488
that's expressed in that song,
1011
01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:56,237
you have to do something
about it.
1012
01:05:56,661 --> 01:06:00,370
It was a demonstrable call
to action.
1013
01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:07,919
A lot of people have said,
1014
01:06:08,047 --> 01:06:09,583
"Well, you know,
it's all a bit too dreamy."
1015
01:06:09,716 --> 01:06:13,209
Yeah, but we all actually really
want what he's singing about.
1016
01:06:13,887 --> 01:06:14,877
We all want that.
1017
01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:16,920
And I think that's why,
even today,
1018
01:06:17,056 --> 01:06:18,546
the song is still so important.
1019
01:06:18,683 --> 01:06:22,096
Because, the sad thing is,
the world is still in a bad Way.
1020
01:06:22,645 --> 01:06:25,728
Why is it impossible
to move forward in these dreams
1021
01:06:25,899 --> 01:06:27,890
and make them a reality?
1022
01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:44,114
He was always saying to me,
"Our appeal, your appeal,
1023
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:49,620
it's too limited, we've got to
get more people involved," etc.
1024
01:06:49,756 --> 01:06:54,922
And I think he wanted
'Imagine ' to be. ..
1025
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,839
It's almost like
a manifesto for a movement.
1026
01:07:00,517 --> 01:07:05,262
A utopian manifesto for
a progressive movement.
1027
01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:10,232
And he wanted to appeal to...
1028
01:07:12,070 --> 01:07:13,560
the world outside.
1029
01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:16,529
"If you agree with these aims,
1030
01:07:16,658 --> 01:07:18,945
come with us and we'll create
a new world."
1031
01:07:19,118 --> 01:07:21,906
That was the way
he wrote that song.
1032
01:07:31,923 --> 01:07:34,790
I hear Yoko, because
those are all her words.
1033
01:07:34,968 --> 01:07:36,458
You know?
1034
01:07:36,594 --> 01:07:38,380
Those words are...
1035
01:07:38,555 --> 01:07:41,673
I love John, but, you know,
those were her words.
1036
01:07:42,308 --> 01:07:43,890
She was speaking through him.
1037
01:07:45,144 --> 01:07:48,637
You know, I mean, I don't think
the world's got that quite yet,
1038
01:07:48,773 --> 01:07:50,263
but all of this...
1039
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,142
You know,
the language that you see
1040
01:07:53,319 --> 01:07:55,902
from the time they got together,
forward,
1041
01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:57,612
is Yoko's language.
1042
01:07:57,865 --> 01:07:59,822
She taught him this language.
1043
01:08:13,172 --> 01:08:16,164
That should be credited
as a Lennon-Ono song
1044
01:08:16,301 --> 01:08:19,669
because a lot of it, the lyric
and the concept, came from Yoko.
1045
01:08:19,846 --> 01:08:22,383
But those days, I was a bit
more selfish, a bi! more macho,
1046
01:08:22,515 --> 01:08:25,507
and I sort of omitted
to mention her contribution.
1047
01:08:25,685 --> 01:08:28,268
But it was right out of
Grapefruit', her book.
1048
01:08:28,396 --> 01:08:31,559
There's a whole piece about
imagine this and imagine that,
1049
01:08:31,691 --> 01:08:34,479
and give her credit now,
long overdue.
1050
01:08:35,236 --> 01:08:38,695
I feel, in the big picture...
1051
01:08:41,034 --> 01:08:43,150
the fact that John and I met...
1052
01:08:44,996 --> 01:08:46,862
was to do this song.
1053
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:25,742
-283 on the end.
-Excellent.
1054
01:09:26,412 --> 01:09:27,493
We have a movie.
1055
01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:29,737
-Cut!
-What?
1056
01:09:29,874 --> 01:09:32,366
That's the full
output...
1057
01:09:33,753 --> 01:09:35,369
I'm going for a piss.
1058
01:09:37,799 --> 01:09:39,665
All the photographs...
1059
01:09:51,354 --> 01:09:56,770
Yoko said she had this idea of
John with clouds in his eyes.
1060
01:09:57,276 --> 01:09:59,813
OK, I can get the glasses
for this tomorrow.
1061
01:09:59,946 --> 01:10:03,064
So, we get the glasses
in the morning,
1062
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,236
and in the afternoon,
I do this photograph,
1063
01:10:05,785 --> 01:10:07,241
this photograph,
1064
01:10:08,287 --> 01:10:09,448
and this photograph.
1065
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:14,499
Yeah. OK, so,
the light should be from there
1066
01:10:14,836 --> 01:10:16,497
just to above the eyebrows.
1067
01:10:16,629 --> 01:10:19,212
Yes, I'm doing it a bit larger,
John, so that we can cut it.
1068
01:10:19,340 --> 01:10:20,125
OK.
1069
01:10:20,258 --> 01:10:23,125
I had taken a bunch of pictures
of John, blown them up,
1070
01:10:23,302 --> 01:10:25,293
and cut the eyes out,
that was the original idea.
1071
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:27,717
And then we took pictures
of clouds and put them in.
1072
01:10:30,309 --> 01:10:32,676
-It's not the final version.
-Oh, yes.
1073
01:10:32,812 --> 01:10:33,847
Ah!
1074
01:10:35,732 --> 01:10:36,813
No, but you see,
1075
01:10:36,941 --> 01:10:39,433
and then in the back,
there will be a profile.
1076
01:10:39,569 --> 01:10:41,480
-Yes, 'Imagine.'
-'Imagine'.
1077
01:10:41,612 --> 01:10:43,819
But the problem was,
it looked weird.
1078
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:45,355
It would be more
delicately done.
1079
01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:47,482
How would we do that,
then? Just have a slide...
1080
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:48,946
It's going to be called
'Imagine'.
1081
01:10:49,078 --> 01:10:51,490
-Yeah.
-Very, very, good.
1082
01:10:51,831 --> 01:10:53,788
Freaky, isn't it?
1083
01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:56,954
When we were
at Tittenhurst Park,
1084
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,663
John and everybody was running
around with Polaroids
1085
01:11:01,841 --> 01:11:06,210
and they found out
this way of exposing it twice.
1086
01:11:07,555 --> 01:11:09,717
Just like you took a picture
1087
01:11:09,849 --> 01:11:13,513
and then you take a photo
of the sky,
1088
01:11:13,644 --> 01:11:14,884
a cloud or something.
1089
01:11:19,192 --> 01:11:21,854
He had this Polaroid,
he had a Shoot Polaroid,
1090
01:11:22,028 --> 01:11:23,109
it had a long nose.
1091
01:11:23,237 --> 01:11:24,898
It was for taking portraits.
1092
01:11:25,031 --> 01:11:28,319
And he said, "The wonderful
thing is, I can take a picture
1093
01:11:29,076 --> 01:11:30,362
and then I can take
another picture
1094
01:11:30,495 --> 01:11:31,951
and I get a double exposure."
1095
01:11:32,914 --> 01:11:35,872
And, so, Yoko took
a picture of John
1096
01:11:36,042 --> 01:11:38,033
and then took a picture
of the clouds.
1097
01:11:38,169 --> 01:11:40,331
And, of course, she got it.
1098
01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:52,885
Sorry I'm a little late.
1099
01:11:53,017 --> 01:11:54,678
That's all right,
you're just in time in a Way.
1100
01:11:54,811 --> 01:11:56,017
We're OK.
1101
01:11:59,482 --> 01:12:01,564
Just this intro
I want you on.
1102
01:12:01,734 --> 01:12:03,441
Just comes in,
it goes from A to D.
1103
01:12:23,714 --> 01:12:24,704
That's it!
1104
01:12:25,216 --> 01:12:26,672
I want them hooked on the sax,
1105
01:12:26,801 --> 01:12:28,712
so they're waiting for it
all through the record.
1106
01:12:32,473 --> 01:12:33,713
You're going to be
in the frame.
1107
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:35,386
Is that camera in the
frame? No.
1108
01:12:50,533 --> 01:12:53,025
Just relax, you don't have to be
in or out of the picture.
1109
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,867
Just do whatever
you have to do, OK?
1110
01:12:54,996 --> 01:12:58,239
It's going to be a clock,
so it's not like a proper movie.
1111
01:12:58,624 --> 01:12:59,955
It'll just be like a background.
1112
01:13:35,328 --> 01:13:38,320
A! the time, the job was
to take a lot of film
1113
01:13:38,497 --> 01:13:41,364
that was shot
in England, in various places.
1114
01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:43,708
It was all very experimental
1115
01:13:44,045 --> 01:13:46,002
and I don't think we really knew
1116
01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:47,620
exactly what we were going
to do.
1117
01:14:00,394 --> 01:14:01,805
So fucking hot, isn't it?
1118
01:14:02,772 --> 01:14:06,015
We went up to the suite
in the St Regis and met them.
1119
01:14:07,193 --> 01:14:08,479
HEY' Que pasa'?
1120
01:14:10,613 --> 01:14:12,524
Who's this, please, que pasa?
1121
01:14:13,741 --> 01:14:15,607
Karen. I've got news for you.
1122
01:14:15,743 --> 01:14:17,529
I don't think
we really knew exactly
1123
01:14:17,662 --> 01:14:18,948
what we were going to do,
1124
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,493
except take all this footage
and edit it with the songs.
1125
01:14:22,625 --> 01:14:23,706
That's how we set out.
1126
01:15:02,832 --> 01:15:04,743
We had thousands of feet of film
1127
01:15:05,251 --> 01:15:07,538
of just about everything
you can imagine.
1128
01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:09,832
There was a lot of stuff
besides Tittenhurst,
1129
01:15:09,964 --> 01:15:12,205
there was a recording session.
1130
01:15:15,344 --> 01:15:17,711
There was some kind of
political demonstration
1131
01:15:17,847 --> 01:15:19,087
through the streets of London.
1132
01:15:24,103 --> 01:15:25,514
There was stuff on the lake.
1133
01:15:38,284 --> 01:15:40,696
In addition to all the
film that came from Tittenhurst
1134
01:15:40,828 --> 01:15:42,944
and other places
in and around London,
1135
01:15:43,122 --> 01:15:45,534
we shot quite a bit in New York
City, because we realised that
1136
01:15:45,666 --> 01:15:48,283
we wanted to get that part of
their lives into the movie,
1137
01:15:49,086 --> 01:15:51,623
and that we didn't really have
anything showing
1138
01:15:51,797 --> 01:15:54,289
what they were doing in New York
City and what it was like.
1139
01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:03,548
The whisper piece was one of my
favourite things in 'Imagine'.
1140
01:16:04,185 --> 01:16:06,176
That was Yoko's concept.
1141
01:16:06,979 --> 01:16:09,471
People that Yoko knew
and that had some celebrity,
1142
01:16:09,607 --> 01:16:14,443
generally, would come in
to visit with John and Yoko
1143
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:17,688
and the three of them,
would stand side by side
1144
01:16:18,324 --> 01:16:20,691
and they would...
"Psst-psst-psst."
1145
01:16:21,327 --> 01:16:22,317
“Psst-psst-psst.“
1146
01:16:22,995 --> 01:16:26,329
And you don't know what they're
saying, they're just whispering.
1147
01:16:27,041 --> 01:16:30,124
To me, what I got out of it, was
that it was people whispering
1148
01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:32,163
cos there's a lot of
secrets in life.
1149
01:16:32,671 --> 01:16:34,537
And many of which
don't mean anything,
1150
01:16:34,673 --> 01:16:36,914
so it doesn't matter
whether you hear it or not.
1151
01:16:37,176 --> 01:16:38,837
It was people whispering.
1152
01:16:47,853 --> 01:16:50,515
I realised that,
after a few songs,
1153
01:16:50,689 --> 01:16:52,851
that there was a sense
to it all.
1154
01:16:53,025 --> 01:16:55,687
We were starting to paint
a picture of their life,
1155
01:16:56,362 --> 01:16:58,774
of haw they did things
and how they lived their life
1156
01:16:58,906 --> 01:17:00,647
and what was going on
in their life.
1157
01:17:03,577 --> 01:17:05,534
I think John loved the energy
of New York City,
1158
01:17:05,704 --> 01:17:07,160
there's no question about that.
1159
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,372
And I think he loved
that it was an opportunity
1160
01:17:10,501 --> 01:17:12,117
for him to become an American.
1161
01:17:20,594 --> 01:17:23,632
He saw New York as being
kind of a bit like Liverpool,
1162
01:17:23,764 --> 01:17:26,256
or the Liverpool 8 area,
where the art college was.
1163
01:17:26,392 --> 01:17:28,724
And Yoko was,
in a way, American.
1164
01:17:28,853 --> 01:17:31,686
I know she's Japanese,
but she's mainly American.
1165
01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:35,731
She wanted to live there.
She felt happy there.
1166
01:17:39,947 --> 01:17:42,188
They loved New York,
absolutely loved New York.
1167
01:17:42,324 --> 01:17:43,485
It was like, "Wow!"
1168
01:17:43,617 --> 01:17:47,406
You know,
"I'm here, this is it."
1169
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:49,404
So, for him, that was it.
1170
01:17:49,540 --> 01:17:52,749
He was in the Village, it was
like in the centre of it all,
1171
01:17:52,877 --> 01:17:54,038
of the culture.
1172
01:17:54,461 --> 01:17:57,294
He was John... Lennon. Yeah.
1173
01:17:57,673 --> 01:17:59,129
He wasn't Beatle John.
1174
01:18:05,431 --> 01:18:07,263
How did you like
Yoko Ono's show?
1175
01:18:08,058 --> 01:18:09,969
Well, it was a little different,
I have to admit.
1176
01:18:10,102 --> 01:18:11,934
Can I ask you, did you enjoy
Yoko Ono's show?
1177
01:18:12,104 --> 01:18:14,391
-I certainly did.
-Thank you.
1178
01:18:15,482 --> 01:18:16,643
-Yoko?
-Ono.
1179
01:18:16,775 --> 01:18:18,812
Oh, Yoko Ono, yes.
No, I did see it.
1180
01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:21,568
Do you like her work?
1181
01:18:22,406 --> 01:18:25,023
I don't know much about her.
She's Japanese, isn't she?
1182
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:27,526
Have you had many enquiries
about Yoko’s show?
1183
01:18:27,661 --> 01:18:28,742
I have indeed.
1184
01:18:28,871 --> 01:18:31,454
One morning,
I'm sitting in my office
1185
01:18:31,624 --> 01:18:33,535
and my secretary comes in
1186
01:18:34,251 --> 01:18:37,369
and she said, "You have
to take this phone call."
1187
01:18:37,504 --> 01:18:38,960
I said, "Who is it?"
1188
01:18:39,089 --> 01:18:42,081
She said, "It's the director
of the Museum of Modern Art.“
1189
01:18:42,343 --> 01:18:44,960
He said, "Did you see
the paper, today?"
1190
01:18:45,137 --> 01:18:49,005
And sure enough,
there is a one-third page ad
1191
01:18:49,475 --> 01:18:53,218
about an art show
at the Museum of Modern Art,
1192
01:18:53,354 --> 01:18:55,140
a Yoko Ono art show.
1193
01:18:55,314 --> 01:18:57,225
Are you familiar
with Yoko's work?
1194
01:18:57,650 --> 01:19:00,688
No. I've never seen anything,
but I've heard of films,
1195
01:19:00,819 --> 01:19:05,484
you know, like, she just makes
films of 365 behinds
1196
01:19:05,616 --> 01:19:08,404
and I saw her film of the body
with the fly walking on it.
1197
01:19:08,535 --> 01:19:12,494
I called Yoko. I said,
"Yoko, I've just gotten a call
1198
01:19:12,665 --> 01:19:15,578
from the director of
the Museum of Modern Art.
1199
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,327
There's supposed to be
an art show there today."
1200
01:19:18,963 --> 01:19:20,328
She said, "Yes."
1201
01:19:20,756 --> 01:19:22,338
I said, "What kind of art show?"
1202
01:19:22,883 --> 01:19:25,500
She said,
"It's a conceptual art show.“
1203
01:19:25,678 --> 01:19:27,510
I said, "What does that mean?"
1204
01:19:27,638 --> 01:19:30,505
She said, "It's just in my mind,
it's a concept."
1205
01:19:31,684 --> 01:19:33,470
There's no Yoko Ono show here.
1206
01:19:34,353 --> 01:19:36,890
I was a little mad about
getting here and not finding it,
1207
01:19:37,022 --> 01:19:38,512
but I think it's pretty funny.
1208
01:19:38,691 --> 01:19:40,307
Well, I think
it's a bit bonkers.
1209
01:19:41,026 --> 01:19:44,519
-Do you know what bonkers is?
-No, what's that mean?
1210
01:19:44,655 --> 01:19:47,773
-Crazy, is it?
-Yeah, yeah.
1211
01:19:47,908 --> 01:19:51,242
That's good old Liverpudlian,
"bonkers", you know. Yeah, yeah.
1212
01:19:51,370 --> 01:19:55,534
I think it's too far out for me,
anyway.
1213
01:19:55,708 --> 01:19:58,370
Well, like, maybe
if you look at a picture,
1214
01:19:58,544 --> 01:20:00,706
then you can think of a whole
bunch of different things.
1215
01:20:00,838 --> 01:20:01,578
You know?
1216
01:20:01,714 --> 01:20:03,125
-Exactly.
-Is that what you mean?
1217
01:20:03,257 --> 01:20:05,168
Right. Except if you take it
a step further,
1218
01:20:05,301 --> 01:20:06,541
if there's no picture to look at
1219
01:20:06,677 --> 01:20:08,088
and it's just all in
your head.
1220
01:20:08,762 --> 01:20:09,877
It's just what you think.
1221
01:20:10,014 --> 01:20:12,005
Then you would have a very good
museum there.
1222
01:20:15,269 --> 01:20:17,601
At 3.35pm, Karen called.
1223
01:20:17,730 --> 01:20:20,097
What time does that say?
I can't even see it.
1224
01:20:22,860 --> 01:20:24,146
Oh, it's time.
1225
01:20:29,241 --> 01:20:30,072
Oh!
1226
01:20:30,492 --> 01:20:32,824
At quarter to,
he broke the lights.
1227
01:20:36,248 --> 01:20:38,410
That's what happens
at quarter to.
1228
01:21:06,445 --> 01:21:08,686
But I always wanted
to write something that would be
1229
01:21:08,822 --> 01:21:11,780
a Christmas record that would
last forever, you know?
1230
01:21:19,958 --> 01:21:21,665
John called me one day,
he said,
1231
01:21:21,794 --> 01:21:24,536
"We want to do a record
for Christmas.
1232
01:21:24,797 --> 01:21:28,335
We've got to do it really quick,
book the studio."
1233
01:21:33,639 --> 01:21:35,129
We don't have
a bass sound at all yet.
1234
01:21:35,307 --> 01:21:38,299
Phil was the producer
and it was a beautiful session.
1235
01:21:38,477 --> 01:21:40,684
Nicky, you come
in on the D chord, as well.
1236
01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:43,020
With the bass drum,
you have to...
1237
01:21:43,148 --> 01:21:45,936
You're coming in on
the same place Nicky comes in,
1238
01:21:46,068 --> 01:21:47,650
on that D chord,
after the first.
1239
01:21:47,778 --> 01:21:49,485
You play the guitar
by themselves,
1240
01:21:49,655 --> 01:21:51,020
then you and the bass come in.
1241
01:22:13,137 --> 01:22:17,381
John said, "In
conjunction with the song,
1242
01:22:17,516 --> 01:22:19,757
I want to get a billboard
in Times Square."
1243
01:22:20,602 --> 01:22:24,095
John was thrilled with it,
Yoko loved where it was.
1244
01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:26,393
It was a prime location.
1245
01:22:26,525 --> 01:22:28,687
Huge billboards, all around,
1246
01:22:28,861 --> 01:22:31,353
selling anything you can
imagine.
1247
01:22:44,877 --> 01:22:48,086
And all of it was
in brilliant colour
1248
01:22:48,213 --> 01:22:53,708
and in the midst of it was
this stark, white billboard
1249
01:22:53,844 --> 01:22:56,051
not selling anything,
1250
01:22:56,221 --> 01:23:00,340
but letting people know
that war could be over
1251
01:23:00,476 --> 01:23:03,218
if enough of you believed it.
1252
01:23:05,481 --> 01:23:08,724
It was Yoko's belief
that people,
1253
01:23:08,859 --> 01:23:11,897
if they wanted something
strong enough, could achieve it.
1254
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:13,310
WAR IS OVER!
IF YOU WANT IT
1255
01:23:13,447 --> 01:23:16,906
And she believed that if enough
people wanted war to be over,
1256
01:23:17,117 --> 01:23:18,528
it would be over.
1257
01:23:27,085 --> 01:23:29,076
WAR IS OVER!
IF YOU WANT IT
1258
01:23:29,254 --> 01:23:31,461
"War is over, if you want it."
1259
01:23:32,799 --> 01:23:35,541
Well, that's artistic, too,
you see?
1260
01:23:35,677 --> 01:23:38,465
"War is over"
is not war is over.
1261
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,342
But conceptually, it is over.
1262
01:23:43,268 --> 01:23:44,429
Mm-hm.
1263
01:23:57,991 --> 01:24:00,153
When you're in a city,
there is stuff going on.
1264
01:24:00,285 --> 01:24:02,617
In Tittenhurst,
they were cut off,
1265
01:24:02,788 --> 01:24:05,780
they were cut off, artistically,
from what you can get.
1266
01:24:13,507 --> 01:24:16,966
Yoko never really fitted in,
into English country life.
1267
01:24:22,391 --> 01:24:26,305
And, later, of course,
it was Yoko who said
1268
01:24:26,436 --> 01:24:29,599
that this island here
in which they were living
1269
01:24:29,731 --> 01:24:34,476
was too small and too big
at the same time for her.
1270
01:24:34,611 --> 01:24:35,897
She didn't want it.
1271
01:24:36,321 --> 01:24:39,734
And John said to me,
"We're moving to Manhattan.
1272
01:24:39,866 --> 01:24:42,608
Yoko can't bear this anymore."
1273
01:24:42,744 --> 01:24:44,451
And who could blame him?
1274
01:24:55,007 --> 01:24:57,339
There were a lot
of great moments at Tittenhurst
1275
01:24:57,509 --> 01:24:58,999
that I do fondly remember,
1276
01:24:59,177 --> 01:25:00,667
giggling and laughing
with Dad.
1277
01:25:00,804 --> 01:25:03,637
And, er, as they say...
1278
01:25:03,765 --> 01:25:05,597
'shooting the shit'.
1279
01:25:06,602 --> 01:25:10,516
But it was difficult to know...
You think, "OK, well...
1280
01:25:11,231 --> 01:25:13,472
is this going to stay?
1281
01:25:13,609 --> 01:25:14,895
Is this what it's going to be,
now?
1282
01:25:15,027 --> 01:25:17,109
Can I count on this?
Can I be here next weekend,
1283
01:25:17,237 --> 01:25:18,944
or the weekend after?
Is that going to happen?"
1284
01:25:19,114 --> 01:25:23,529
That was one of the, obviously,
the hardest pills to swallow,
1285
01:25:23,702 --> 01:25:25,693
was the constant change.
1286
01:25:25,829 --> 01:25:29,163
You know, you thought things
were going to settle down,
1287
01:25:29,833 --> 01:25:31,369
but they just never quite did.
1288
01:25:41,678 --> 01:25:43,464
I'm trying to remember when
they actually went to the States
1289
01:25:43,597 --> 01:25:44,382
because when they went,
1290
01:25:44,556 --> 01:25:45,762
that was actually
the last time I saw them.
1291
01:25:45,891 --> 01:25:47,632
And then when
they didn't come back again.
1292
01:25:48,352 --> 01:25:49,683
I can't even remember them
actually leaving
1293
01:25:49,811 --> 01:25:51,097
or saying goodbye.
1294
01:25:53,231 --> 01:25:55,188
I never said goodbye to him,
never did.
1295
01:26:14,419 --> 01:26:16,456
Yeah,
I lose a little rhythm here.
1296
01:26:16,588 --> 01:26:18,920
Come in, John, because
you may have the opening.
1297
01:26:19,049 --> 01:26:20,881
But you can just use
the first bridge
1298
01:26:21,009 --> 01:26:22,625
and then the last
"How can we?"
1299
01:26:22,803 --> 01:26:23,793
Oh, I see.
1300
01:26:26,264 --> 01:26:28,255
-79 on the end.
-I think the 99th clap.
1301
01:26:28,392 --> 01:26:29,427
Camera B.
1302
01:29:33,952 --> 01:29:34,942
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