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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,246 --> 00:00:15,114 Woman: To let a former Boeing consultant 2 00:00:15,182 --> 00:00:16,316 on your board have influence over these matters 3 00:00:16,383 --> 00:00:18,184 is of huge concern to me. 4 00:00:18,252 --> 00:00:20,186 And to let Boeing continue to pollute, and get away with 5 00:00:20,254 --> 00:00:22,387 failing to adhere to the Clean-up Agreement is wrong. 6 00:00:22,456 --> 00:00:24,990 To fail to protect our water source is wrong. 7 00:00:25,059 --> 00:00:26,592 Thank you. 8 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:33,665 Bumstead: Hi. My name is Melissa Bumstead. 9 00:00:33,734 --> 00:00:34,801 I've live -- it's okay. Thank you. 10 00:00:34,868 --> 00:00:36,602 I live in West Hills. 11 00:00:36,670 --> 00:00:38,670 I'm the mom who started the change.org petition 12 00:00:38,739 --> 00:00:41,440 that now has over 600,000 signatures, 13 00:00:41,508 --> 00:00:43,575 for the full cleanup of the Santa Susanna Field Lab. 14 00:00:43,577 --> 00:00:45,411 You're going to hear a lot today. 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,145 We've got a lot of facts. We know the facts. 16 00:00:47,214 --> 00:00:49,248 We're all intelligent people, here. 17 00:00:49,316 --> 00:00:52,717 But I think what is lacking is courage to do the right thing. 18 00:00:52,786 --> 00:00:55,954 And so, I wanted to bring you my daughter's beads of courage. 19 00:00:56,023 --> 00:00:58,691 My daughter is a two-time cancer survivor at 9 years old. 20 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:01,728 [ Giggling ] 21 00:01:01,795 --> 00:01:03,762 Can you do it? Achoo! 22 00:01:03,764 --> 00:01:06,165 -Hachoo. -Achoo. 23 00:01:06,167 --> 00:01:07,365 [ Giggles ] 24 00:01:07,434 --> 00:01:09,234 Would you like to go to Disneyland today? 25 00:01:09,303 --> 00:01:11,036 -Yeah! -Okay. 26 00:01:11,104 --> 00:01:12,437 Bumstead: Let's go to Disneyland. 27 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:14,372 Oh, yeah! 28 00:01:14,442 --> 00:01:15,941 Are you gonna come, too? 29 00:01:15,943 --> 00:01:16,975 Man: I'm coming, too. 30 00:01:17,044 --> 00:01:19,511 Oh, yeah! 31 00:01:19,581 --> 00:01:21,079 Bumstead: She earned all these beads 32 00:01:21,148 --> 00:01:23,982 through her cancer treatment program. 33 00:01:23,984 --> 00:01:25,917 Each bead represents something different. 34 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:28,086 For example, red represents 35 00:01:28,155 --> 00:01:30,322 when she had a blood transfusion, 36 00:01:30,324 --> 00:01:32,390 black when she got poked with a needle, 37 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:35,894 yellow for inpatient stays, white for chemotherapy. 38 00:01:37,397 --> 00:01:41,667 [ Babbbling ] 39 00:01:41,669 --> 00:01:44,469 This is what she earned the first month. 40 00:01:44,471 --> 00:01:46,004 I'd like to share with you what she has earned 41 00:01:46,073 --> 00:01:49,341 over the last two times fighting cancer. 42 00:02:02,689 --> 00:02:06,358 A few of the photos I just want to fly through real quick. 43 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,296 Just some of the children that we've met who are local. 44 00:02:10,364 --> 00:02:12,464 I went to camp with this little boy last weekend. 45 00:02:12,466 --> 00:02:14,166 He's about to lose his second eye. 46 00:02:14,168 --> 00:02:18,169 This little boy has a T-cell leukemia. 47 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:21,139 He's doing alright. He's in remission. 48 00:02:21,208 --> 00:02:24,910 We've had several who have passed away. 49 00:02:24,912 --> 00:02:27,846 We need you to step in, and protect us, 50 00:02:27,915 --> 00:02:29,315 and protect our children. 51 00:02:31,418 --> 00:02:32,517 Do the right thing. 52 00:02:32,519 --> 00:02:33,752 Thank you. 53 00:02:35,722 --> 00:02:36,888 Woman: Thank you. 54 00:02:36,890 --> 00:02:44,529 ¶¶ 55 00:02:44,598 --> 00:02:52,171 ¶¶ 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:59,911 ¶¶ 57 00:02:59,980 --> 00:03:07,619 ¶¶ 58 00:03:07,688 --> 00:03:15,294 ¶¶ 59 00:03:15,362 --> 00:03:23,034 ¶¶ 60 00:03:23,103 --> 00:03:30,709 ¶¶ 61 00:03:30,777 --> 00:03:31,844 Hi. 62 00:03:31,912 --> 00:03:37,984 ¶¶ 63 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:44,189 ¶¶ 64 00:03:44,258 --> 00:03:50,262 ¶¶ 65 00:03:50,331 --> 00:03:53,031 Bumstead: My daughter, Grace Ellen, had just turned 4 years old 66 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:57,870 when we found bruises all over her body. 67 00:03:57,938 --> 00:04:00,472 Took her to the pediatrician, and quickly found out 68 00:04:00,474 --> 00:04:03,875 that she had an incredibly rare and aggressive form 69 00:04:03,944 --> 00:04:06,745 of childhood leukemia. 70 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:11,417 ¶¶ 71 00:04:11,485 --> 00:04:15,688 She had a 20% survival rate. 72 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:18,357 She really endured a lot of suffering that first year. 73 00:04:18,359 --> 00:04:21,226 Princess flying experiment, take two. 74 00:04:21,228 --> 00:04:23,295 And then, she had a year and a half 75 00:04:23,363 --> 00:04:26,865 of just wonderful, cancer-free childhood. 76 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:28,434 [ Cheering ] 77 00:04:28,502 --> 00:04:29,902 [ Bell ringing ] 78 00:04:29,970 --> 00:04:31,169 [ Cheering ] 79 00:04:31,171 --> 00:04:35,874 ¶¶ 80 00:04:35,943 --> 00:04:38,444 And then, Gracie's cancer relapsed, 81 00:04:38,512 --> 00:04:39,778 and it came back. 82 00:04:39,846 --> 00:04:44,582 ¶¶ 83 00:04:44,651 --> 00:04:49,255 ¶¶ 84 00:04:49,323 --> 00:04:56,661 Hammersley: It was April 2013, and my daughter, Hazel, was 2. 85 00:04:56,663 --> 00:05:02,934 And I was noticing that she was not quite herself. 86 00:05:02,936 --> 00:05:04,269 And I kept calling the doctors, 87 00:05:04,337 --> 00:05:07,273 but everybody was going, "Probably just the flu." 88 00:05:07,341 --> 00:05:09,641 And I turned to my husband, and I said, "My mommy instincts 89 00:05:09,710 --> 00:05:11,343 are telling me that something's really wrong." 90 00:05:11,412 --> 00:05:13,846 I said, "I don't know why, but I think she has cancer." 91 00:05:15,682 --> 00:05:18,149 They performed some bloodwork tests, 92 00:05:18,218 --> 00:05:20,185 and then, an ultrasound. 93 00:05:20,254 --> 00:05:25,891 After several days of tests, we knew it was neuroblastoma. 94 00:05:25,893 --> 00:05:27,959 Alright, Hazel, you ready to play Simon Says? 95 00:05:28,029 --> 00:05:29,027 -Yeah! -Okay. 96 00:05:29,096 --> 00:05:31,964 Simon says touch your nose. 97 00:05:32,032 --> 00:05:34,367 Simon says touch your head. 98 00:05:34,434 --> 00:05:37,135 Simon says touch your mouth. 99 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:39,104 Simon says touch your ears. 100 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,841 Simon says blow a kiss. 101 00:05:41,908 --> 00:05:45,578 Simon says says "I love you." -I love you. 102 00:05:45,645 --> 00:05:48,214 Simon says sing "Twinkle Twinkle." 103 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:52,283 Hazel [Singing]: Twinkle, twinkle, little star. 104 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:58,357 ¶¶ 105 00:05:58,426 --> 00:06:01,526 [ Bell ringing ] 106 00:06:01,528 --> 00:06:03,195 [ Cheering ] 107 00:06:08,101 --> 00:06:11,002 Hammersley: Hazel was in remission for two and a half years. 108 00:06:11,004 --> 00:06:14,005 I beat cancer! 109 00:06:14,075 --> 00:06:15,707 Yay! 110 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:20,245 In 2016, she relapsed. 111 00:06:24,084 --> 00:06:26,818 Bumstead: Good job. 112 00:06:26,887 --> 00:06:29,555 The first time Grace had cancer, 113 00:06:29,623 --> 00:06:32,924 we lived over 100 days that first year 114 00:06:32,993 --> 00:06:34,860 at Children's Hospital of Los Angeles. 115 00:06:38,599 --> 00:06:41,366 How cool is that? 116 00:06:41,435 --> 00:06:42,468 Yeah. 117 00:06:42,535 --> 00:06:44,569 And as we were meeting families, 118 00:06:44,638 --> 00:06:46,272 we'd just casually ask you, "Oh, where are you from?" 119 00:06:46,339 --> 00:06:48,474 That's exactly what happened with the Bumstead family. 120 00:06:48,541 --> 00:06:52,076 They were at the hospital the same time that we were, 121 00:06:52,145 --> 00:06:54,446 and then, Grace, her daughter, and Hazel, 122 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:56,714 like, immediately became friends. 123 00:06:56,783 --> 00:06:58,784 They're so similar in so many ways. 124 00:06:58,852 --> 00:07:01,586 And so, it just felt great to have that connection. 125 00:07:01,655 --> 00:07:05,056 [Singing] Happy birthday to you. 126 00:07:05,125 --> 00:07:08,594 Happy birthday to you. 127 00:07:08,662 --> 00:07:13,064 Happy birthday dear Gracie. 128 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:15,400 And we found out that we lived 129 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:17,602 within 20 minutes of each other. 130 00:07:17,604 --> 00:07:18,803 And I kept meeting other families, 131 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:20,438 and they'd say, "Oh, how about that? 132 00:07:20,507 --> 00:07:23,275 We just let you, know around, the corner, two blocks over, 133 00:07:23,343 --> 00:07:26,144 as the bird flies, 3 miles, 5 miles." 134 00:07:26,212 --> 00:07:28,813 And then, several other moms and dads in Simi Valley, 135 00:07:28,815 --> 00:07:30,616 in West Hills, in Thousand Oaks. 136 00:07:30,684 --> 00:07:34,118 And we were really, at the time, just thankful for it. 137 00:07:34,187 --> 00:07:36,754 But I think, as time went on, we were going, "Wait a second." 138 00:07:36,823 --> 00:07:41,092 Like "How is it that so many of us who live nearby?" 139 00:07:41,161 --> 00:07:42,961 We're going to Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, 140 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:44,229 a world-renowned hospital. 141 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:45,897 People are coming from all over the world 142 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:47,365 to come there for treatment, 143 00:07:47,434 --> 00:07:50,702 and yet, we're meeting people that live on our street. 144 00:07:50,704 --> 00:07:55,240 I just kept pushing back against my own mental red flags. 145 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:57,408 And so, I met a family that said, 146 00:07:57,477 --> 00:07:59,244 "Oh, we live on your street." 147 00:07:59,246 --> 00:08:01,045 And granted, we live on a long boulevard. 148 00:08:01,114 --> 00:08:02,013 It's 3 miles. 149 00:08:02,082 --> 00:08:03,748 But they lived on our street. 150 00:08:03,818 --> 00:08:08,186 And she said, "And my neighbor had the same exact brain cancer 151 00:08:08,255 --> 00:08:10,054 that my son had." 152 00:08:10,123 --> 00:08:11,489 And there were two of them. 153 00:08:11,558 --> 00:08:15,326 Neighbors, plus my daughter, that's three on the same street. 154 00:08:15,395 --> 00:08:20,733 So, I panicked, and I set up a Facebook group 155 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:21,967 for all the local cancer parents. 156 00:08:22,035 --> 00:08:24,936 And we started mapping ourselves out by Google Maps. 157 00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:27,573 And for a long time, we couldn't find the connection. 158 00:08:27,641 --> 00:08:29,340 We couldn't see what was going on. 159 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:32,043 But we could tell that there were too many of us. 160 00:08:32,045 --> 00:08:34,079 And it was about a year after that 161 00:08:34,081 --> 00:08:35,980 that someone mentioned, for the first time, 162 00:08:36,049 --> 00:08:37,248 the Santa Susanna Field Lab. 163 00:08:37,317 --> 00:08:38,383 I had never heard of it. 164 00:08:38,452 --> 00:08:41,286 We'd already lived here for seven years. 165 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:43,154 We all had to start wrestling with the fact that 166 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:46,157 maybe our children's cancers could have been avoided. 167 00:08:46,226 --> 00:08:49,127 Many other children were in danger. 168 00:08:49,195 --> 00:08:51,663 Maybe our government hadn't protected us 169 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:53,332 the way that they should have. 170 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,633 And maybe our whole community had been hiding 171 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,335 this giant secret. 172 00:09:03,043 --> 00:09:08,647 ¶¶ 173 00:09:08,649 --> 00:09:14,219 ¶¶ 174 00:09:14,221 --> 00:09:19,724 ¶¶ 175 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:22,394 Hirsch: Awareness breeds compassion, 176 00:09:22,462 --> 00:09:25,297 and compassion leads to right action. 177 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:30,435 That is what we're missing. 178 00:09:30,503 --> 00:09:35,206 ¶¶ 179 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:36,474 I'm Daniel Hirsch. 180 00:09:36,543 --> 00:09:38,510 I'm president of the Committee to Bridge the Gap, 181 00:09:38,579 --> 00:09:41,679 and I recently retired as the director 182 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:45,216 of the Program on Environmental and Nuclear Policy 183 00:09:45,285 --> 00:09:47,385 at the University of California, Santa Cruz. 184 00:09:47,454 --> 00:09:50,222 ¶¶ 185 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:51,422 Duffield: My name is Denise Duffield. 186 00:09:51,491 --> 00:09:52,690 I'm the associate director 187 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:56,195 for Physicians for Social Responsibility, Los Angeles. 188 00:09:56,262 --> 00:09:59,298 In the mid to late 1940s, the U.S. government 189 00:09:59,366 --> 00:10:02,233 was trying to find a location in Southern California 190 00:10:02,302 --> 00:10:05,036 to do nuclear reactor development testing, 191 00:10:05,105 --> 00:10:06,272 and also rocket testing. 192 00:10:06,339 --> 00:10:09,641 The field lab was originally selected as a location 193 00:10:09,709 --> 00:10:11,576 to be away from populated areas, 194 00:10:11,644 --> 00:10:13,978 because they knew they were going to be doing research 195 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:16,014 that could be potentially dangerous. 196 00:10:16,082 --> 00:10:18,150 Hirsch: They did a marvelous study 197 00:10:18,218 --> 00:10:21,853 to determine what would be the least dangerous place 198 00:10:21,855 --> 00:10:23,788 to put a reactor testing facility. 199 00:10:23,857 --> 00:10:26,525 And the Santa Susanna facility ranked very poorly. 200 00:10:26,593 --> 00:10:28,761 They were concerned that any radioactivity 201 00:10:28,828 --> 00:10:32,597 that was released could readily get to populated areas nearby. 202 00:10:32,665 --> 00:10:35,500 They chose to site in Santa Susanna anyway. 203 00:10:35,502 --> 00:10:37,702 Duffield: Santa Susanna ranked fifth or sixth 204 00:10:37,771 --> 00:10:39,971 because of the meteorological conditions. 205 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:40,940 But it was selected anyway, 206 00:10:41,007 --> 00:10:43,876 because of the driving time to UCLA. 207 00:10:43,943 --> 00:10:46,077 At the time that the Santa Susanna facility 208 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:48,679 was established, there was relatively low 209 00:10:48,749 --> 00:10:50,581 population density around it. 210 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:53,351 Man: This is a quiet place. 211 00:10:53,420 --> 00:10:56,421 The atom at work for peace is quiet. 212 00:10:56,489 --> 00:10:59,191 So, over the years, they built 10 nuclear reactors 213 00:10:59,259 --> 00:11:01,659 and plutonium fuel fabrication facility, 214 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:02,828 which took plutonium -- 215 00:11:02,896 --> 00:11:04,029 the most dangerous material on Earth -- 216 00:11:04,097 --> 00:11:06,497 and made nuclear fuel out of it. 217 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:09,934 And a hot lab, in which they shift in 218 00:11:09,936 --> 00:11:13,237 irradiated nuclear fuel to be cut apart. 219 00:11:13,306 --> 00:11:14,739 None of those reactors, by the way, 220 00:11:14,741 --> 00:11:16,407 had a containment structure. 221 00:11:16,476 --> 00:11:19,577 Those domes that you associate with the power plants, 222 00:11:19,646 --> 00:11:21,446 they were just regular rooms. 223 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:24,049 The most well-known of those is a reactor 224 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:26,384 what's called the "Sodium Reactor Experiment." 225 00:11:26,453 --> 00:11:28,953 Man: SRE -- the Sodium Reactor Experiment -- 226 00:11:28,955 --> 00:11:31,989 was radically different from other reactor concepts. 227 00:11:32,058 --> 00:11:33,458 Man #2: Sustained atomic fission 228 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:36,060 has been obtained in this nuclear reactor, 229 00:11:36,129 --> 00:11:38,396 created and built for industrial applications, 230 00:11:38,465 --> 00:11:41,400 medical research, and scientific exploration. 231 00:11:41,468 --> 00:11:44,669 Man #3: On the first full power run of the reactor steam plant, 232 00:11:44,737 --> 00:11:46,871 all systems operated smoothly, 233 00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:49,140 and full power was obtained with ease. 234 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:51,877 Man #4: For the first time in the United States, 235 00:11:51,944 --> 00:11:53,678 an entire community was illuminated 236 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,948 by electricity generated by an atomic reactor. 237 00:12:00,353 --> 00:12:04,255 When we lived here before we learned the news, 238 00:12:04,257 --> 00:12:07,192 it was just utopia. 239 00:12:12,098 --> 00:12:15,733 Kowalski :We had a rural atmosphere close to the city. 240 00:12:15,802 --> 00:12:19,504 We had children who loved playing in the creeks. 241 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:24,443 And I thought we'd found a dream place. 242 00:12:24,511 --> 00:12:26,812 Tyler: You know, it was the '50's and the '60's. 243 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:29,313 It was magical. 244 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:31,583 In those days, we'd go out the door, 245 00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:34,920 Mom would say, "Come back," you know, "before dinner." 246 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:36,754 And it was totally safe. 247 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,422 Nobody locked their doors. 248 00:12:38,491 --> 00:12:41,993 We just played outdoors all day, all the time. 249 00:12:42,061 --> 00:12:46,364 Man: This is how American families are living in their new homes. 250 00:12:49,135 --> 00:12:51,635 Tyler: The Valley was the ideal place to go. 251 00:12:51,637 --> 00:12:53,905 It was agricultural, at that time. 252 00:12:53,907 --> 00:12:55,707 It was rural. 253 00:12:55,775 --> 00:12:58,943 And it would have been, really, 254 00:12:59,012 --> 00:13:02,480 the most idyllic place to raise a child, 255 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:07,585 before the story that's unfolding now. 256 00:13:07,653 --> 00:13:12,190 Klea: I think I was 19 years old when I came to California. 257 00:13:12,258 --> 00:13:17,062 I started working at Atomics International in Santa Susanna 258 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:19,030 in 1963. 259 00:13:19,098 --> 00:13:22,767 I felt a sense of pride to be there, and be involved. 260 00:13:22,835 --> 00:13:25,770 And every worker felt a sense of pride. 261 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:28,507 I didn't know anything about what they were doing 262 00:13:28,575 --> 00:13:32,143 where I worked, except it was secret. 263 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:34,545 Blaze: The employees of Santa Susanna Field Laboratory 264 00:13:34,614 --> 00:13:41,186 and Canoga and DeSoto facility changed the face of humanity. 265 00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:43,321 My father was employed by Rocketdyne 266 00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:46,324 between 1962 and 1969. 267 00:13:46,393 --> 00:13:48,494 He was the senior propulsion test inspector 268 00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:51,262 on the Saturn V rocket engine program. 269 00:13:51,332 --> 00:13:53,197 I was never concerned about what my dad did 270 00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:55,199 for a living as a young child. 271 00:13:55,268 --> 00:13:58,470 He didn't really elaborate on what his job duties were 272 00:13:58,538 --> 00:13:59,604 at the worksite. 273 00:13:59,606 --> 00:14:01,006 They were sworn to secrecy. 274 00:14:01,074 --> 00:14:05,076 We didn't know what we had really been dealing with 275 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:07,345 all these years, what was really going on up there. 276 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:11,416 And it just changed, because then, we didn't know if we came, 277 00:14:11,484 --> 00:14:12,951 and brought our children 278 00:14:12,953 --> 00:14:15,820 to a place that could be harmful to them, 279 00:14:15,889 --> 00:14:17,355 because how would we know? 280 00:14:17,357 --> 00:14:19,156 My girls loved climbing in creeks, 281 00:14:19,225 --> 00:14:22,026 and getting frogs. 282 00:14:22,028 --> 00:14:24,161 And it was scary. It was scary. 283 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:26,531 And so, as time went on, 284 00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:28,766 it was even worse than we could even imagine. 285 00:14:35,641 --> 00:14:40,311 ¶¶ 286 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:43,915 Face: My name is John Face. 287 00:14:43,917 --> 00:14:46,317 I was there at the time of the worst nuclear accident 288 00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:49,120 in the history of the United States. 289 00:14:49,188 --> 00:14:54,892 I was 19 when I was hired there in 1959. 290 00:14:54,961 --> 00:14:56,427 I didn't even know what a reactor was 291 00:14:56,496 --> 00:14:58,062 when I first went to work there. 292 00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,663 Man: The fella who was sitting at the controls 293 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:00,798 certainly looked young to me. 294 00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:02,934 Are these young men in your organization? 295 00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:06,471 Yes. All these operators are fairly young fellows, 296 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:08,106 but all they need is a high-school education 297 00:15:08,174 --> 00:15:10,308 with some major in science. 298 00:15:10,376 --> 00:15:13,578 It was the Cold War time at that time, 299 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:16,681 and they was trying to help the United States 300 00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:18,050 outdo the Russians. 301 00:15:18,117 --> 00:15:20,584 Man: On the one side, the forces of freedom, 302 00:15:20,653 --> 00:15:23,254 on the other, the forces of Communism. 303 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:27,392 It was an honor to work there. 304 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:29,594 I was working with the very best scientists 305 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:30,828 in the nuclear business. 306 00:15:30,897 --> 00:15:35,567 In fact, the person that had overseen the SRE reactor, 307 00:15:35,635 --> 00:15:39,704 for Atomics International was Dr. Marvin J. Fox. 308 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:42,840 He's the one that helped invent the atomic bomb 309 00:15:42,842 --> 00:15:47,244 that was dropped on Hiroshima, there. 310 00:15:47,313 --> 00:15:49,714 On July 13th... 311 00:15:54,654 --> 00:15:57,788 ...it was probably about eleven o'clock 312 00:15:57,857 --> 00:16:02,693 was then I got there on that particular graveyard shift. 313 00:16:02,763 --> 00:16:04,896 Went in the building. 314 00:16:04,965 --> 00:16:07,499 I pulled up to the control room. 315 00:16:10,103 --> 00:16:11,202 Looking through the door, 316 00:16:11,270 --> 00:16:14,105 and I seen my crew was already there. 317 00:16:14,173 --> 00:16:18,776 Then, I looked even closer, and I seen Dr. Marvin J. Fox. 318 00:16:18,778 --> 00:16:20,178 And he had two others with him 319 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,247 that I wasn't sure quite who they were. 320 00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:25,083 And I said, "Man, there's something 321 00:16:25,085 --> 00:16:27,619 that's just not right." 322 00:16:27,687 --> 00:16:30,855 So, I got brave, and opened the door, real quiet. 323 00:16:33,026 --> 00:16:34,825 And as I stood there, 324 00:16:34,894 --> 00:16:38,363 I heard the words coming out of Dr Fox's mouth. 325 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:45,703 I heard my supervisor ask, 326 00:16:45,772 --> 00:16:50,307 "Can we tell our families what happened today?" 327 00:16:50,376 --> 00:16:53,377 The three looked at each other for a minute. 328 00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:56,814 Dr. Fox, he turned around real quick, 329 00:16:56,816 --> 00:16:59,985 staring me in the eyes, almost nose to nose. 330 00:17:03,723 --> 00:17:05,490 "Nobody will say a word." 331 00:17:08,494 --> 00:17:13,664 From that point on, there was a cover-up of what happened. 332 00:17:13,666 --> 00:17:16,368 Man: It was the first step in a nuclear nightmare, 333 00:17:16,436 --> 00:17:18,569 when a government official said that a breakdown 334 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:21,405 in an atomic power plant in Pennsylvania today 335 00:17:21,474 --> 00:17:25,609 is probably the worst nuclear reactor accident to date. 336 00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:28,879 Hirsch: I was teaching at UCLA in 1979, and there was an accident 337 00:17:28,948 --> 00:17:31,950 at a nuclear power plant in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, 338 00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:34,018 called "Three Mile Island." 339 00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:35,920 And my students wanted to research 340 00:17:35,988 --> 00:17:37,421 whether there were nuclear activities 341 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:38,689 in the Los Angeles area, 342 00:17:38,758 --> 00:17:39,925 and whether they had any problems. 343 00:17:39,992 --> 00:17:41,292 And I said, "Sure. Go ahead." 344 00:17:41,361 --> 00:17:42,928 I didn't think they'd find anything. 345 00:17:42,995 --> 00:17:45,095 And within a period of a few weeks, 346 00:17:45,165 --> 00:17:46,697 they discovered that there had been 347 00:17:46,767 --> 00:17:48,699 a partial meltdown in the reactor, 348 00:17:48,701 --> 00:17:49,700 at what we now call 349 00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:51,569 "the Santa Susanna Field Laboratory." 350 00:17:51,637 --> 00:17:53,838 They obtained documents, and photos, 351 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,708 and also film footage of the incident. 352 00:17:56,776 --> 00:17:59,577 Man: 13 of the 43 uranium fuel elements 353 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,380 eventually became overheated. 354 00:18:01,447 --> 00:18:03,314 The fuel swelled in size, 355 00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:05,517 and structural damage was sustained. 356 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:08,319 Hirsch: The partial meltdown occurred in a reactor 357 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:10,354 that had no containment structure. 358 00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:12,189 The radioactivity was so high 359 00:18:12,258 --> 00:18:15,394 that they had to open this huge garage-type door 360 00:18:15,461 --> 00:18:17,094 to try to vent the radioactivity 361 00:18:17,163 --> 00:18:18,663 out towards Simi Valley, 362 00:18:18,731 --> 00:18:20,732 and for that matter, the rest of L.A. 363 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,201 One scholar, Dr. Andre Nakatani, 364 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:25,670 had estimated that the radioactive iodine 365 00:18:25,738 --> 00:18:28,140 released from meltdown could have been 366 00:18:28,207 --> 00:18:30,642 250 times greater than the amount 367 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:32,577 released from the Three Mile Island accident. 368 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,345 TMI was a much larger reactor, 369 00:18:34,414 --> 00:18:36,013 but it had a containment structure. 370 00:18:36,082 --> 00:18:37,482 This is a smaller reactor, 371 00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:40,484 but it had nothing to prevent greater activity. 372 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:42,953 Face: The radiation was clear off of scales. 373 00:18:43,022 --> 00:18:45,923 Wherever the wind is blowing, whichever direction, 374 00:18:45,992 --> 00:18:49,426 that's where the radiation travels, of course, 375 00:18:49,495 --> 00:18:50,961 just like smoke with a fire. 376 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:55,099 The man that was working there, they were so disturbed about it, 377 00:18:55,101 --> 00:18:58,135 because all that radiation went over their own homes. 378 00:18:58,204 --> 00:19:00,271 Five weeks after the accident occurred, 379 00:19:00,339 --> 00:19:01,739 they issued a news release 380 00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:04,475 embargoed for the Saturday morning paper. 381 00:19:04,544 --> 00:19:06,176 And the press release didn't say 382 00:19:06,245 --> 00:19:07,345 there had been a partial meltdown, 383 00:19:07,413 --> 00:19:08,913 didn't said there was a serious accident, 384 00:19:08,982 --> 00:19:10,314 didn't say there was any radiation. 385 00:19:10,384 --> 00:19:11,749 They said just the opposite. 386 00:19:11,751 --> 00:19:14,185 At the very moment that they issued that press release, 387 00:19:14,187 --> 00:19:17,588 they were venting radioactive gases into the environment. 388 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,723 Reporter: Despite the seriousness of the accident, 389 00:19:19,793 --> 00:19:21,326 the official news release claimed there was 390 00:19:21,394 --> 00:19:24,495 no indication of unsafe reactor conditions. 391 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:26,131 They lied. 392 00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:29,200 and I couldn't say a word. 393 00:19:29,269 --> 00:19:30,702 20 years I was silenced. 394 00:19:39,445 --> 00:19:46,217 ¶¶ 395 00:19:46,285 --> 00:19:53,124 ¶¶ 396 00:19:53,126 --> 00:19:54,224 Man: Good evening, everybody. 397 00:19:54,293 --> 00:19:56,560 [Indistinct] has been showing us films 398 00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:57,761 of a nuclear mishap 399 00:19:57,830 --> 00:20:00,097 that occurred near Los Angeles 20 years ago, 400 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:02,299 but which has not been revealed to the public before. 401 00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:03,635 Thank you, John. 402 00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:06,972 The reactor was located 35 miles from downtown Los Angeles. 403 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,107 It was called The "Sodium Reactor Experiment," or SRE. 404 00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:13,278 But in 1959, when it suffered its fuel rod melting, 405 00:20:13,345 --> 00:20:15,446 the general public was not informed. 406 00:20:15,514 --> 00:20:17,881 Local public safety officials weren't told much, either. 407 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:19,717 Today is the first time that I've heard 408 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:22,119 of the '59 incident, when you mentioned it a while ago. 409 00:20:22,188 --> 00:20:25,856 Industry experts tell us that certain risks were taken. 410 00:20:25,925 --> 00:20:28,994 Well, I was really appalled at the -- 411 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,595 sort of the cavalier attitude that they demonstrated. 412 00:20:31,664 --> 00:20:34,265 It was actually very undramatic. 413 00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:37,534 It did not appear to be a hazard to the public 414 00:20:37,603 --> 00:20:38,669 or to our employees. 415 00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:41,071 O feel less concerned about it than I would 416 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:44,341 the long-term effect of the smog of Los Angeles. 417 00:20:44,410 --> 00:20:47,946 The potential hazard of a major release 418 00:20:48,014 --> 00:20:50,081 into the environment was just not there. 419 00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:52,716 Man: And it's taken until this week, 20 years later, 420 00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:56,654 for the details to be widely broadcast. 421 00:20:56,656 --> 00:20:57,922 Olney: We all have the idea, 422 00:20:57,924 --> 00:21:01,426 all of us who were involved in this project, 423 00:21:01,494 --> 00:21:05,896 that it had been a cover-up. 424 00:21:05,965 --> 00:21:09,399 We know that we had to approach this in a very, 425 00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:13,104 very careful way, because we knew that 426 00:21:13,172 --> 00:21:15,973 we were looking at a very powerful industry 427 00:21:16,042 --> 00:21:18,642 that had not been challenged in the way 428 00:21:18,711 --> 00:21:21,713 that we were prepared to challenge it ever before. 429 00:21:21,781 --> 00:21:23,448 It was a scary proposition, 430 00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:25,183 to take on the nuclear industry -- 431 00:21:25,251 --> 00:21:27,318 a very scary proposition. 432 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,920 So, the accident at Santa Susanna was serious, 433 00:21:29,922 --> 00:21:32,723 and yet, there's room for debate on how well it was handled. 434 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:36,261 We knew we had something that was really important, 435 00:21:36,329 --> 00:21:39,596 particularly in the context of what was going on 436 00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:40,864 at Three Mile Island. 437 00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:46,804 I think what it reveals is that this great guarantee 438 00:21:46,873 --> 00:21:51,942 of the ultimate safety of the industry was a phony. 439 00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:53,010 It was a fake. 440 00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:53,944 It was wrong. 441 00:21:54,013 --> 00:21:58,048 ¶¶ 442 00:21:58,050 --> 00:22:01,987 ¶¶ 443 00:22:02,054 --> 00:22:04,788 Hirsch: It was one of the worst nuclear accidents in history, 444 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:06,090 to that point. 445 00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:13,698 No one knew until my students uncovered the documents 446 00:22:13,766 --> 00:22:15,166 two decades later, 447 00:22:15,234 --> 00:22:16,301 Man: The material that we got 448 00:22:16,369 --> 00:22:18,736 mostly came from an outfit in in Westwood 449 00:22:18,804 --> 00:22:20,705 called "Bridge the Gap," which is an anti-nuclear group. 450 00:22:20,774 --> 00:22:21,939 What happened at Santa Susanna 451 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:24,408 would not happen at a well-run facility. 452 00:22:24,477 --> 00:22:29,413 This was a case of tremendous environmental negligence. 453 00:22:29,415 --> 00:22:33,585 They cut corners over and over and over again. 454 00:22:33,652 --> 00:22:35,920 The risks continued for many decades. 455 00:22:35,988 --> 00:22:38,890 Duffield: The nuclear work was over four decades. 456 00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:42,660 The other aerospace work really didn't cease until 2006. 457 00:22:42,728 --> 00:22:47,264 So, over the course of decades, in the course of accidents, 458 00:22:47,266 --> 00:22:50,201 spills, releases, some intentional, 459 00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:54,806 the soil, and the groundwater, and surface water runoff 460 00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:57,007 has become very contaminated. 461 00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:59,743 Man: Produced by Rocketdyne, a division of North American, 462 00:22:59,812 --> 00:23:01,879 in the canyons of Southern California, 463 00:23:01,947 --> 00:23:03,682 the engine -- sometimes called a "rocket," 464 00:23:03,749 --> 00:23:05,149 sometimes called a "power plant," 465 00:23:05,151 --> 00:23:07,751 sometimes "the booster" -- is on. 466 00:23:07,753 --> 00:23:10,587 ¶¶ 467 00:23:10,656 --> 00:23:16,360 Kowalski: We'd all lived knowing that there were rocket tests. 468 00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:18,695 We used to have big booms. 469 00:23:18,764 --> 00:23:23,367 And we would see, like, mushroom clouds above the facility. 470 00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:28,305 I would play outside with my friends until it got dark. 471 00:23:28,374 --> 00:23:32,544 I'd be in the cul de sac, and we'd all look up, and... 472 00:23:32,611 --> 00:23:34,546 We could hear those roars. 473 00:23:34,613 --> 00:23:37,214 Man: In California's Santa Susanna Mountains, 474 00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:39,017 Rocketdyne engineers that created 475 00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:42,252 America's largest propulsion field laboratory. 476 00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:44,789 The whole of the Valley would shudder. 477 00:23:44,857 --> 00:23:47,925 [ Man speaking indistinctly ] 478 00:23:47,993 --> 00:23:55,732 ¶¶ 479 00:23:55,734 --> 00:23:58,202 Tens of thousands of rocket tests. 480 00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,471 And those would produce huge plumes 481 00:24:00,539 --> 00:24:02,574 of contamination that would be spreading 482 00:24:02,641 --> 00:24:04,007 at substantial distance. 483 00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:05,743 Man: On the ashes of campfires 484 00:24:05,811 --> 00:24:07,979 built here by [indistinct], 485 00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:10,881 engines poured forth their pillars of flame. 486 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,350 Over 30,000 rocket engine tests. 487 00:24:13,419 --> 00:24:15,419 And a lot of the chemical contamination 488 00:24:15,421 --> 00:24:17,421 on the site is a result of that. 489 00:24:17,423 --> 00:24:20,158 Hirsch: They ended up flushing out rocket test engines 490 00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:23,760 with a very toxic solvent called "TCE" -- 491 00:24:23,829 --> 00:24:25,729 hundreds of thousands of gallons, 492 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:30,200 leaving half a million gallons of TCE in the groundwater. 493 00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:31,502 Duffield: There was a hot lab there, 494 00:24:31,571 --> 00:24:33,904 there they would re-process nuclear fuel 495 00:24:33,973 --> 00:24:36,073 that was shipped in from around the country. 496 00:24:36,075 --> 00:24:37,408 That lab had fires. 497 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:39,710 Man: Gamma radiation is hard to work with sometimes. 498 00:24:39,778 --> 00:24:41,845 They also had open burn pits. 499 00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:43,281 There, they would take, each month, 500 00:24:43,348 --> 00:24:47,484 100 or so 55-gallon drums of toxic chemicals, 501 00:24:47,554 --> 00:24:50,455 and they would shoot at them with rifles, to ignite them. 502 00:24:50,522 --> 00:24:51,722 And they would catch fire. 503 00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:54,725 Huge plumes of toxic smoke. 504 00:24:54,794 --> 00:24:57,294 Workers were killed because they were 505 00:24:57,363 --> 00:24:59,997 illegally disposing of hazardous materials 506 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,666 by blowing them up on the property. 507 00:25:01,734 --> 00:25:03,433 Duffield: 10 Nuclear reactors, 508 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:05,403 three of which suffered accidents. 509 00:25:05,471 --> 00:25:07,505 These activities went on for decades. 510 00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:13,210 ¶¶ 511 00:25:13,212 --> 00:25:16,280 Hirsch: During that period, the population just mushroomed. 512 00:25:16,282 --> 00:25:17,448 [Indistinct] 513 00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:19,716 And I think anyone who has a fear 514 00:25:19,785 --> 00:25:22,019 of anything like that, they should be told, 515 00:25:22,021 --> 00:25:24,188 given a chance to say, "No, I don't want to live here." 516 00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:26,691 Man: It did not appear to be a hazard to the public 517 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:28,025 or to our employees. 518 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:30,327 The potential hazard of a major release 519 00:25:30,396 --> 00:25:32,230 into the environment was just not there. 520 00:25:32,298 --> 00:25:36,234 ¶¶ 521 00:25:36,302 --> 00:25:38,602 Dodge: The Santa Susanna Field Lab hill 522 00:25:38,671 --> 00:25:41,406 is contaminated with a veritable who's who 523 00:25:41,473 --> 00:25:44,174 of toxic chemicals, from heavy metals, 524 00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:48,645 to dioxins, to percolate, to volatile organic acids, 525 00:25:48,714 --> 00:25:51,248 and multiple radioactive neuclides, 526 00:25:51,317 --> 00:25:54,251 which come from the nuclear partial meltdown, 527 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,720 and also numerous accidents over the years 528 00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:58,522 with the other reactors on site. 529 00:25:58,524 --> 00:25:59,923 When it comes to radioneuclides, 530 00:25:59,992 --> 00:26:01,658 we actually describe not the half life -- 531 00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:05,262 which is the time where, after which it would be half as potent 532 00:26:05,331 --> 00:26:07,198 as it was, as it degrades. 533 00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:09,700 We describe something called its "hazardous life," 534 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:12,537 which is actually equivalent to 20 half-lives. 535 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:14,137 So, these are the most dangerous, 536 00:26:14,206 --> 00:26:16,940 which we have well studied, and well -- 537 00:26:17,009 --> 00:26:19,676 a high awareness of their health impacts 538 00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:25,683 that go on for these hundreds, if not half a million years. 539 00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:27,150 Duffield: Right now, half a million people 540 00:26:27,219 --> 00:26:29,621 live within 10 miles of the site. 541 00:26:31,690 --> 00:26:34,625 Hirsch: I'm asked over and over again, "Where is it safe? 542 00:26:34,627 --> 00:26:35,760 Where would it be dangerous?" 543 00:26:35,828 --> 00:26:39,662 And after studying this for almost 40 years, 544 00:26:39,664 --> 00:26:41,598 I'm afraid I can't answer that. 545 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,000 People need to understand that 546 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:44,301 the Santa Susanna Field Laboratory 547 00:26:44,370 --> 00:26:46,637 is on a mountain. 548 00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:50,207 Gravity wants to carry that contamination downhill. 549 00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:56,647 There is not a glass wall surrounding Santa Susanna 550 00:26:56,715 --> 00:26:58,115 that prevents contaminants 551 00:26:58,183 --> 00:26:59,783 from being blown off-site by the wind. 552 00:26:59,852 --> 00:27:03,387 The wind will carry the contaminants. 553 00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:07,657 There is not some kind of a dam built around this site, 554 00:27:07,727 --> 00:27:08,859 so that, when it rains, 555 00:27:08,928 --> 00:27:11,928 the rainfall won't carry the contaminants. 556 00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:13,897 So, when it rains, the surface water 557 00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:18,235 carries the radioactivity down intermittent streams. 558 00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:21,204 It's the headwaters of the Los Angeles River. 559 00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:23,073 So, in terms of L.A. County, 560 00:27:23,142 --> 00:27:25,075 you're contaminating everything along the L.A. river 561 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:28,078 and the various streams that lead to it. 562 00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:29,880 There was a children's camp 563 00:27:29,882 --> 00:27:32,416 called the "Brandeis-Bardin Institute," 564 00:27:32,418 --> 00:27:35,485 a Jewish training institute for young children 565 00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:36,920 and for college students. 566 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:40,090 It is right beneath the Santa Susanna Field Laboratory. 567 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,092 There has been some contamination found 568 00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:44,596 on the Brandeis property, 569 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:48,165 and there is concern about the health of the children 570 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:50,801 who have been or are going to that facility. 571 00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:54,504 Soil contamination goes down through the Brandeis camp, 572 00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:57,574 and into the arroyo, where that contaminated water 573 00:27:57,643 --> 00:28:00,144 then percolates into the groundwater. 574 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,819 Man: It's like gel. 575 00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:10,254 Man #2: Ew, dude. 576 00:28:13,258 --> 00:28:16,027 Man: What is that? 577 00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:31,007 [ Indistinct talking ] 578 00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:32,410 Woman: Do you feel good about [indistinct]? 579 00:28:35,581 --> 00:28:37,982 [ Indistinct talking ] 580 00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:50,894 ¶¶ 581 00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:57,968 ¶¶ 582 00:28:58,036 --> 00:29:04,976 ¶¶ 583 00:29:05,043 --> 00:29:12,082 ¶¶ 584 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:13,383 Ready? Ow, wow. 585 00:29:13,452 --> 00:29:15,085 That's fancy. 586 00:29:15,154 --> 00:29:22,994 ¶¶ 587 00:29:35,174 --> 00:29:38,609 [ Cheers and applause ] 588 00:29:38,677 --> 00:29:42,145 I don't know if you know, but pH-positive leukemia 589 00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:43,447 is extremely rare. 590 00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:45,016 Melissa, will you tell me what the statistic is? 591 00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,383 Do you remember? 592 00:29:47,219 --> 00:29:48,986 One in million. 593 00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:52,289 And while we already know that Grace is one in a million, 594 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:54,726 she shouldn't have that kind of diagnosis. 595 00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:59,229 You've taught all of us here how to keep going 596 00:29:59,231 --> 00:30:01,564 in the face of something difficult, 597 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:05,168 and we'd like to present you with our Ever After Ball award. 598 00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:07,470 [ Applause ] 599 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:15,478 ¶¶ 600 00:30:15,547 --> 00:30:23,486 ¶¶ 601 00:30:23,555 --> 00:30:31,495 ¶¶ 602 00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:39,469 ¶¶ 603 00:30:39,538 --> 00:30:47,444 ¶¶ 604 00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:55,485 ¶¶ 605 00:30:55,554 --> 00:31:03,460 ¶¶ 606 00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:11,601 ¶¶ 607 00:31:11,603 --> 00:31:19,410 ¶¶ 608 00:31:19,478 --> 00:31:21,845 Bumstead: My daughter's a fighter. 609 00:31:21,914 --> 00:31:24,114 She's incredibly strong. 610 00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:25,749 I could not be more proud of her, 611 00:31:25,818 --> 00:31:28,118 and yet, part of me still grieves 612 00:31:28,186 --> 00:31:30,153 that she has to be that way. 613 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:35,193 You know, I wish more than anything she could have 614 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:37,261 just had a normal childhood. 615 00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:41,664 You know, she was diagnosed when she was 4. 616 00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:44,901 That's almost before anyone can have a memory. 617 00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:48,238 She was immediately limited from being around other kids 618 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,108 because of the germ factor. 619 00:31:51,176 --> 00:31:56,546 But also, my son was so emotionally impacted. 620 00:31:56,548 --> 00:31:59,116 Both of my children lost a big part of their childhood, 621 00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:00,284 and that's not fair. 622 00:32:00,352 --> 00:32:03,053 We can never give that back. 623 00:32:03,055 --> 00:32:05,221 My husband and I are trying to heal our marriage 624 00:32:05,290 --> 00:32:09,393 from all the separation and pain that we went through. 625 00:32:09,461 --> 00:32:11,696 And then, what's left over is me. 626 00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:17,034 But I have a lot of friends whose kids are still suffering. 627 00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:21,971 She didn't get to make a choice if she wanted her child 628 00:32:22,041 --> 00:32:23,239 to live next to this radiation. 629 00:32:23,308 --> 00:32:24,841 She'd probably never heard of it before. 630 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:29,913 ¶¶ 631 00:32:29,982 --> 00:32:31,314 I don't think any of us should have had 632 00:32:31,383 --> 00:32:32,716 to have picked up this burden. 633 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,388 But I can't unlearn what I know. 634 00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:49,166 So, the -- the... we'll have to wait for the... 635 00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:04,013 You know what? Why don't you tell him 636 00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:06,850 I'm being interviewed for a documentary on Santa Susanna, 637 00:33:06,852 --> 00:33:10,053 and that I'll call her when I'm done. 638 00:33:10,122 --> 00:33:14,023 and put the fear of [bleep] God into her. 639 00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:17,761 The site has three responsible parties. 640 00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:19,196 There's the Department of Energy, 641 00:33:19,264 --> 00:33:22,366 which leased part of its property from Boeing. 642 00:33:22,434 --> 00:33:23,700 There's Nassau, 643 00:33:23,702 --> 00:33:25,168 and then, there is Boeing itself, 644 00:33:25,237 --> 00:33:27,804 which owns most of the site. 645 00:33:27,873 --> 00:33:29,340 Hirsch: At some point, Rocketdyne was sold 646 00:33:29,408 --> 00:33:30,907 to Rockwell International, 647 00:33:30,976 --> 00:33:33,543 And Rockwell International eventually sold 648 00:33:33,612 --> 00:33:36,246 its Rocketdyne division to Boeing. 649 00:33:36,315 --> 00:33:39,282 And Boeing assumed the liabilities 650 00:33:39,284 --> 00:33:41,051 of Rocketdyne for the contamination 651 00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:42,585 of Santa Susanna. 652 00:33:42,654 --> 00:33:46,122 Reiser: The ultimate regulator of the Santa Susanna field site 653 00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:47,590 is California, 654 00:33:47,659 --> 00:33:51,694 and specifically the Department of Toxic Substances Control, 655 00:33:51,764 --> 00:33:55,331 which is a subdivision of the California EPA. 656 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,601 California is the one who gets to say, 657 00:33:57,603 --> 00:33:59,403 "This is how much gets cleaned up." 658 00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:01,538 We have the authority to shut down a business 659 00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:05,141 when we feel like the health of the community is at risk, 660 00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:07,210 and when we see evidence of harm 661 00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:08,278 to the environment, or to human health. 662 00:34:13,183 --> 00:34:15,285 Grover: There were a lot of people that had a stake 663 00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:18,889 in keeping this story under wraps. 664 00:34:18,957 --> 00:34:22,359 I had a number of insiders at DTSC tell me, 665 00:34:22,428 --> 00:34:25,129 "The people that run this agency have no interest 666 00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:27,363 in telling the truth about Santa Susanna." 667 00:34:28,033 --> 00:34:32,235 My station broke a huge story back in 1979. 668 00:34:32,304 --> 00:34:36,205 A few years ago, the producer of that 1979 report 669 00:34:36,275 --> 00:34:38,676 came to see me at KNBC, and he said, 670 00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:43,246 "There is a lot more to the story that we broke back in '79. 671 00:34:43,248 --> 00:34:45,115 You have to continue our work. 672 00:34:45,117 --> 00:34:46,384 You have to dig deeper." 673 00:34:46,451 --> 00:34:48,252 You might be wondering why we should care about 674 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,055 a nuclear accident that happened more than half a century ago -- 675 00:34:52,123 --> 00:34:54,392 because, as you're about to see, 676 00:34:54,459 --> 00:34:56,193 thousands of people in the San Fernando 677 00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:59,062 and Simi valleys have been secretly exposed 678 00:34:59,131 --> 00:35:01,464 to dangerous radioactive fallout. 679 00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:04,200 It was pretty clear to me that there were people 680 00:35:04,269 --> 00:35:08,272 inside certain government agencies, like the DTSC, 681 00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:11,875 who were very close with Boeing. 682 00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,278 Tucker: That was a very effective way for Boeing 683 00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:16,946 to buy protection for themselves. 684 00:35:17,015 --> 00:35:18,615 I was looking into the Department 685 00:35:18,617 --> 00:35:20,483 of Toxic Substances Control, 686 00:35:20,485 --> 00:35:24,888 and I decided to look into, how is it really regulating toxins? 687 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:27,690 And we did get very revealing material 688 00:35:27,759 --> 00:35:32,495 that showed us that the DTSC is what I call a "captured agency." 689 00:35:32,564 --> 00:35:33,896 It's captured by the polluters 690 00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:35,898 but it's actually supposed to be regulating. 691 00:35:35,968 --> 00:35:37,100 Insiders at the 692 00:35:37,169 --> 00:35:39,370 State Department of Toxic Substance Control. 693 00:35:39,437 --> 00:35:42,372 Told us that they were often too lenient with polluters 694 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,207 who didn't clean up contamination. 695 00:35:44,209 --> 00:35:46,710 Boeing maintains that there have been 696 00:35:46,778 --> 00:35:51,515 no adverse health impacts from contamination at Santa Susanna. 697 00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,517 The DTSC has, while admitting the contamination 698 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:56,052 has gotten off site, 699 00:35:56,054 --> 00:35:58,454 they'll say "it's not getting off site at levels 700 00:35:58,523 --> 00:36:00,190 that are harmful to human health." 701 00:36:00,259 --> 00:36:01,691 And that's just not true. 702 00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:05,762 Tucker: Polluters are very adept at flattering regulators, 703 00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:07,531 at grooming them, 704 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,400 taking them by the hand when they didn't know that much. 705 00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:11,801 Kind of showed them the direction 706 00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:13,503 of what they wanted things to look like. 707 00:36:13,572 --> 00:36:17,073 I also, as you know, represent many private companies 708 00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:19,842 who have also found [indistinct] to be balanced, 709 00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:23,279 to be thorough, and to be just as open as she claims to be. 710 00:36:23,281 --> 00:36:26,049 Santa Susanna is kind of a textbook civics lesson 711 00:36:26,117 --> 00:36:27,751 in the way government works. 712 00:36:27,819 --> 00:36:29,820 People work in government on an issue -- 713 00:36:29,888 --> 00:36:33,023 in this case, Santa Susanna -- and then, they leave government, 714 00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:35,725 and they can make a lot more money becoming a lobbyist 715 00:36:35,727 --> 00:36:37,594 for the company involved in the issue -- 716 00:36:37,662 --> 00:36:38,895 In this case, Boeing. 717 00:36:38,964 --> 00:36:43,633 The flotilla of fixers that were hired by Boeing, 718 00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:46,769 many of them had direct connections to Jerry Brown, 719 00:36:46,838 --> 00:36:48,271 or had worked for him. 720 00:36:48,273 --> 00:36:51,041 Reporter: It's been like a game of musical chairs. 721 00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:53,910 A former environmental aide to Governor Brown, 722 00:36:53,978 --> 00:36:56,446 a former head of the state EPA, 723 00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:59,550 and the former chief lawyer of the DTSC, 724 00:36:59,618 --> 00:37:03,186 have all switched sides, and worked on behalf of Boeing 725 00:37:03,255 --> 00:37:05,456 to kill a full cleanup of Santa Susanna. 726 00:37:05,523 --> 00:37:07,123 The Santa Susanna Field Laboratory 727 00:37:07,192 --> 00:37:09,593 is a really complex cleanup. 728 00:37:09,661 --> 00:37:11,594 It costs a lot of money. 729 00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:13,663 And any time it costs a lot of money, 730 00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:16,866 there's going to be politics at play. 731 00:37:16,868 --> 00:37:18,601 That leads to delay. 732 00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:23,139 In 2007, there was a consent order signed between the DTSC 733 00:37:23,208 --> 00:37:25,408 and the responsible parties 734 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:29,079 that basically did not establish much of a cleanup standard. 735 00:37:29,147 --> 00:37:30,480 It was very weak. 736 00:37:30,482 --> 00:37:32,682 And it was exactly what Boeing wanted. 737 00:37:32,751 --> 00:37:37,820 Duffield: A recreational space cleanup, which is what Boeing is pushing, 738 00:37:37,822 --> 00:37:41,090 is based off of people being on a site very infrequently. 739 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,560 That would result in 98% of the contamination 740 00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:44,562 not being cleaned up. 741 00:37:44,629 --> 00:37:46,763 People who live near Santa Susanna 742 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,699 do not live in recreational areas. 743 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:50,434 They live in residential areas. 744 00:37:50,502 --> 00:37:53,571 All through the 2000s, there was an effort 745 00:37:53,638 --> 00:37:55,038 to require full cleanup. 746 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,106 Then-state senator Sheila Kuehl 747 00:37:57,175 --> 00:37:58,307 represented the area. 748 00:37:58,377 --> 00:38:00,010 Introduced bill after bill. 749 00:38:00,078 --> 00:38:02,378 Workers and neighbors have become sick, 750 00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:03,781 and too many have died. 751 00:38:03,848 --> 00:38:07,483 It's time to require full and complete cleanup. 752 00:38:07,552 --> 00:38:11,254 I ask for your "aye" vote on SB-990. 753 00:38:11,323 --> 00:38:15,125 And in 2007, she finally got her legislation through. 754 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:17,060 Tucker: Believe it or not, under Schwarzenegger, 755 00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:20,663 there was an actual serious effort to clean up that site. 756 00:38:20,732 --> 00:38:23,100 But after Governor Brown came to office, 757 00:38:23,168 --> 00:38:25,134 things shifted very dramatically. 758 00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:28,606 Boeing, however, went to court to overturn the law. 759 00:38:28,673 --> 00:38:31,775 And through some exceedingly troubling action 760 00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:35,411 by the Brown administration, that lawsuit was lost. 761 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,016 Within five weeks of Jerry Brown being sworn in, in 2011, 762 00:38:40,085 --> 00:38:42,618 a secret stipulation was entered into 763 00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:46,222 between the state and Boeing in that lawsuit. 764 00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:49,026 The state of California actually stipulated 765 00:38:49,094 --> 00:38:53,229 that they would not contest any material fact 766 00:38:53,231 --> 00:38:55,565 that Boeing would put forward in the suit. 767 00:38:55,634 --> 00:38:57,367 And they actually agreed to that stipulation, 768 00:38:57,435 --> 00:39:00,370 it's my understanding, before ever having seen 769 00:39:00,439 --> 00:39:03,106 the material facts that Boeing was going to put forward. 770 00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:06,709 The judge found it very easy to overturn the law. 771 00:39:06,711 --> 00:39:09,980 The state waived the right to dispute anything 772 00:39:10,048 --> 00:39:11,648 that Boeing might say 773 00:39:11,716 --> 00:39:13,850 without knowing what those things would be. 774 00:39:13,852 --> 00:39:15,518 It was a major blow. 775 00:39:15,587 --> 00:39:17,653 And it was exactly what Boeing wanted. 776 00:39:17,722 --> 00:39:19,255 And they got it. 777 00:39:19,257 --> 00:39:21,758 There are those that think your agency is too cozy with Boeing. 778 00:39:21,826 --> 00:39:22,793 I haven't seen it, 779 00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:24,126 And I've looked for it. 780 00:39:24,128 --> 00:39:26,329 NASA and the Department of Energy 781 00:39:26,397 --> 00:39:30,300 also signed 2010 agreements with the State of California. 782 00:39:30,302 --> 00:39:33,404 And these were actually really historic agreements. 783 00:39:33,471 --> 00:39:34,905 And what they do is, 784 00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:37,807 they say the Santa Susanna Field Laboratory 785 00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:40,243 has to be cleaned up to background levels. 786 00:39:40,312 --> 00:39:41,945 And essentially, what that means is that, 787 00:39:42,013 --> 00:39:44,548 if there's contamination on site, it gets cleaned up. 788 00:39:44,616 --> 00:39:47,084 From your vantage point, what is the status 789 00:39:47,152 --> 00:39:50,688 of NASA's actions, with respect to the cleanup? 790 00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:52,889 Yes, Congressman, all the information you just relayed, 791 00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:55,158 it is my understanding, as well, that's where we are. 792 00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:57,093 And NASA's committed to fulfilling 793 00:39:57,095 --> 00:39:59,262 our obligations under the AOC. 794 00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:01,030 I'm tired of fighting. 795 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:03,833 Let's clean up the background. 796 00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:05,735 Let's get this site closed. 797 00:40:05,804 --> 00:40:07,437 Yes, things happen. 798 00:40:07,505 --> 00:40:09,239 Yes, they are unfortunate. 799 00:40:09,307 --> 00:40:11,974 And we've made a commitment to clean it up. 800 00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:14,911 That cleanup was supposed to already have been concluded 801 00:40:14,979 --> 00:40:16,646 by 2017. 802 00:40:16,648 --> 00:40:18,714 And Boeing and the federal agencies 803 00:40:18,783 --> 00:40:21,017 have ensured it hasn't even started. 804 00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:23,119 And I'm certain that these federal agencies 805 00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:25,321 do not want to set a precedent, 806 00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:29,492 in terms of really cleaning up to a proper standard. 807 00:40:29,561 --> 00:40:33,664 And what happens when you cut your corners on safety is 808 00:40:33,731 --> 00:40:35,065 you kill people. 809 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:38,935 And that's exactly what Boeing did with the 737 MAX. 810 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:40,203 That is their style. 811 00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:43,606 The Department of Energy, NASA, and Boeing 812 00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:46,809 have made repeated promises to clean it up, 813 00:40:46,878 --> 00:40:49,879 as has the state Toxics agency that oversees them. 814 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:52,616 And those promises have been broken over and over again. 815 00:40:52,684 --> 00:40:56,019 Will anyone from your agency talk to us at all? 816 00:40:56,021 --> 00:40:57,620 My policy people have talked to you. 817 00:40:57,689 --> 00:40:59,655 We've made a commitment to clean it up. 818 00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:01,290 I've said all I'm going to say. 819 00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:03,693 At the end of the day, because it's the right thing to do. 820 00:41:03,762 --> 00:41:06,362 You've said nothing. 821 00:41:06,364 --> 00:41:10,266 And that means that there have been years and years 822 00:41:10,268 --> 00:41:13,669 of additional migration possible that wouldn't have been possible 823 00:41:13,738 --> 00:41:15,672 if they had lived up to their commitments. 824 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:18,307 It's my commitment to the people of California that, 825 00:41:18,376 --> 00:41:19,710 when I'm gone, 826 00:41:19,777 --> 00:41:22,846 I've left in place a system that is robust, 827 00:41:22,914 --> 00:41:26,282 defensible, and meaningful for the future. 828 00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:27,650 Can you see how some people 829 00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:31,087 would think this is more lip service? 830 00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:32,088 I would hope they wouldn't. 831 00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:55,612 Woman: You're going about everything is different.rom, 832 00:42:01,019 --> 00:42:02,886 And it is truly the biggest nightmare 833 00:42:02,954 --> 00:42:04,821 any parent could ever imagine. 834 00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:11,794 ¶¶ 835 00:42:11,863 --> 00:42:15,898 Duffield: In 2006, there was a cluster of retinoblastoma. 836 00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:19,168 This is a rare eye cancer affecting young children. 837 00:42:19,237 --> 00:42:22,972 There is just under 300 diagnosed in the United States, 838 00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:26,109 and there were 11 cases right near the site. 839 00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:28,044 We have very, very strong evidence 840 00:42:28,113 --> 00:42:29,912 that the first group of mothers 841 00:42:29,914 --> 00:42:33,583 whose children suffered from retinoblastoma did sue Boeing, 842 00:42:33,651 --> 00:42:34,917 and did settle, 843 00:42:34,919 --> 00:42:36,286 and as part of that settlement, 844 00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:39,790 were no longer allowed to talk to the media, or get involved. 845 00:42:39,857 --> 00:42:43,159 If you have a child with cancer, it's very expensive. 846 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:46,362 I know one mother in particular I talked to recently who, 847 00:42:46,364 --> 00:42:49,665 their family is bankrupt, now, caring for their daughter. 848 00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:53,003 So, I can understand, if I was one of those mothers, 849 00:42:53,071 --> 00:42:56,272 why they might have went with that agreement. 850 00:42:56,341 --> 00:43:01,744 And now, several years later, we're seeing new cases 851 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:04,348 of pediatric cancers that are near the site. 852 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:07,283 Any amount of exposure to some increased risk 853 00:43:07,285 --> 00:43:08,618 over background cancer, 854 00:43:08,687 --> 00:43:10,953 particularly for pregnant women and children. 855 00:43:10,955 --> 00:43:14,790 Dodge: The [Indistinct] report, which came out in 2006, 856 00:43:14,859 --> 00:43:18,028 that landmark study ended up showing 857 00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:20,363 that there is no linear threshold -- 858 00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:24,701 that any level, any level of radionuclide exposure 859 00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:26,335 above background 860 00:43:26,404 --> 00:43:28,838 had an inherent increased risk of cancer. 861 00:43:28,906 --> 00:43:35,444 There is a dramatic increase in very rare and bizarre cancers 862 00:43:35,513 --> 00:43:39,816 that typically may happen a few times across the nation. 863 00:43:39,884 --> 00:43:42,518 And what we've been noting over the years is, 864 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,653 we have children -- 865 00:43:43,655 --> 00:43:47,790 not one, but two, or three, or four children 866 00:43:47,792 --> 00:43:52,061 within the community surrounding the test lab 867 00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:53,597 have these unusual cancers. 868 00:43:53,665 --> 00:43:57,133 Hirsch: Boeing itself did risk assessments 869 00:43:57,201 --> 00:43:58,401 of what the risk would be 870 00:43:58,469 --> 00:44:01,103 if someone were to live on the property. 871 00:44:01,172 --> 00:44:03,706 And their own estimate for some of the locations 872 00:44:03,775 --> 00:44:05,207 was that the cancer risk 873 00:44:05,276 --> 00:44:08,878 was as high as 96 out of 100 -- 874 00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:10,546 meaning, if 100 people live there, 875 00:44:10,548 --> 00:44:12,816 96 would get cancer from the contamination. 876 00:44:12,884 --> 00:44:15,418 The EPA and DTSC normally require 877 00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:18,387 that the risk be kept at one in a million. 878 00:44:18,456 --> 00:44:21,023 So, you can see how serious the contamination is, 879 00:44:21,025 --> 00:44:23,859 and how large the problem would be if they left it behind. 880 00:44:23,928 --> 00:44:27,096 Man: We found documents that show the radiation has moved off site, 881 00:44:27,165 --> 00:44:29,965 including at the Brandeis-Bardin Institute. 882 00:44:30,034 --> 00:44:31,500 Bycel: My name is Lee Bycel, 883 00:44:31,569 --> 00:44:34,370 and I was the president of the Brandeis-Bardin Institute 884 00:44:34,372 --> 00:44:37,941 from spring of 2000 to June of 2003. 885 00:44:37,943 --> 00:44:41,777 Prior to accepting the job, I asked the chair of the board 886 00:44:41,846 --> 00:44:44,413 if there was anything that I needed to be worry about. 887 00:44:44,415 --> 00:44:46,649 And she said, "It's all good. 888 00:44:46,718 --> 00:44:49,986 We've had a settlement, and everything in that land 889 00:44:49,988 --> 00:44:52,756 has been cleaned up, and there's nothing to worry about." 890 00:44:52,823 --> 00:44:55,524 I think one of the most surprising documents 891 00:44:55,593 --> 00:44:59,930 we unearthed was an internal report commissioned by the camp 892 00:44:59,997 --> 00:45:04,066 that proved there was a lot of contamination from Santa Susanna 893 00:45:04,135 --> 00:45:06,402 that ran down into this children's camp. 894 00:45:06,471 --> 00:45:08,904 And it was the basis for the camp 895 00:45:08,973 --> 00:45:11,407 suing the owners of the field lab, 896 00:45:11,476 --> 00:45:14,277 and then secretly settling that lawsuit. 897 00:45:14,345 --> 00:45:16,747 So, when I hear about a settlement, 898 00:45:16,814 --> 00:45:19,415 what comes to mind is that there's liability there. 899 00:45:19,484 --> 00:45:22,251 We don't often want to hear the dark side of things. 900 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,022 We don't often want to hear that there's something wrong. 901 00:45:25,089 --> 00:45:27,089 They have not been transparent 902 00:45:27,091 --> 00:45:29,892 in exactly what's going on up there -- even now. 903 00:45:29,961 --> 00:45:34,997 How can one person be diagnosed with thyroid cancer at age 4, 904 00:45:34,999 --> 00:45:36,900 with two recurrences, 905 00:45:36,968 --> 00:45:40,303 and then end up with an extremely rare uterine cancer 906 00:45:40,371 --> 00:45:44,306 with no family history of any kind? 907 00:45:44,375 --> 00:45:47,777 Kowalski: We were four women, were all cancer-free. 908 00:45:47,845 --> 00:45:53,249 And now, fast forward, we're only one cancer-free. 909 00:45:53,317 --> 00:45:56,852 I had stage three to four bladder cancer. 910 00:45:56,921 --> 00:45:58,088 I just was shocked. 911 00:45:58,156 --> 00:46:00,656 And then, I was so angry. 912 00:46:00,725 --> 00:46:05,361 My mother was diagnosed with glioblastoma in 2001. 913 00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:09,599 She passed away seven weeks later, at the age of 58. 914 00:46:09,667 --> 00:46:13,669 And my father was diagnosed with chronic lymphocytic leukemia 915 00:46:13,738 --> 00:46:14,671 in 2003. 916 00:46:14,739 --> 00:46:17,474 He passed away in 2010. 917 00:46:17,542 --> 00:46:19,742 Tyler: My middle sister developed a goiter 918 00:46:19,811 --> 00:46:21,277 when she was 11 years old. 919 00:46:21,345 --> 00:46:24,346 And that later turned into thyroid cancer. 920 00:46:24,415 --> 00:46:28,351 My father survived his cancer, and my mother suffered 921 00:46:28,353 --> 00:46:31,954 with ovarian cancer and colon cancer. 922 00:46:31,956 --> 00:46:33,155 And she couldn't take it, 923 00:46:33,224 --> 00:46:36,793 so my mom actually ended up committing suicide. 924 00:46:36,861 --> 00:46:39,695 My oldest sister was diagnosed with brain cancer 925 00:46:39,697 --> 00:46:41,897 and glioblastoma. 926 00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:44,533 As she was dying, two years later, 927 00:46:44,602 --> 00:46:47,504 her own daughter was diagnosed with cancer, too. 928 00:46:47,572 --> 00:46:53,943 And she passed just eight months after my sister. 929 00:46:54,011 --> 00:46:57,713 To hear that your child has a life-threatening disease 930 00:46:57,782 --> 00:46:59,915 absolutely shakes you to your core. 931 00:46:59,984 --> 00:47:02,384 It was really, really devastating to the family. 932 00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:04,486 Every day, it was like the rug was 933 00:47:04,555 --> 00:47:06,255 being taken out from under us. 934 00:47:06,324 --> 00:47:09,859 Our world ended on that day. 935 00:47:09,861 --> 00:47:14,396 And this new reality had to come into existence. 936 00:47:14,465 --> 00:47:15,931 I thought she was gonna beat it. 937 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,066 I really did. 938 00:47:20,404 --> 00:47:21,538 She didn't. 939 00:47:24,709 --> 00:47:28,144 I think we're just in denial. 940 00:47:28,146 --> 00:47:30,279 Endy: Which is a beautiful thing, to be in denial, 941 00:47:30,281 --> 00:47:35,018 because you get to enjoy every moment, you know? 942 00:47:35,086 --> 00:47:37,287 So, that's the best thing. 943 00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:40,156 ¶¶ 944 00:47:40,158 --> 00:47:42,558 Huff: I can't just leave. 945 00:47:42,627 --> 00:47:44,560 It's hard to give everything up 946 00:47:44,629 --> 00:47:46,762 because somebody can't do the right thing. 947 00:47:46,831 --> 00:47:49,498 Where do you go that you really know you're safe? 948 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:52,568 You know, I mean, I moved here thinking I was safe. 949 00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:53,836 And why should we leave? 950 00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:55,638 We came here in good faith. 951 00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:56,872 Why should we leave? 952 00:47:56,941 --> 00:47:58,674 They need to clean up their crap. 953 00:48:00,979 --> 00:48:04,513 You can't sit back, and pretend it's not real. 954 00:48:04,582 --> 00:48:06,116 You have to do something. 955 00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,188 Woman: Who is the person who could make a difference 956 00:48:11,255 --> 00:48:12,455 in all of this? 957 00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:18,861 Who can make a difference? 958 00:48:31,475 --> 00:48:34,945 Melissa: I'm never not thinking about it. 959 00:48:35,012 --> 00:48:37,279 And I'm never not thinking about how we can -- 960 00:48:37,281 --> 00:48:39,615 we can change things because it's not only my community 961 00:48:39,684 --> 00:48:40,883 I'm trying to protect. 962 00:48:40,885 --> 00:48:42,018 I mean, we live here. 963 00:48:42,086 --> 00:48:43,887 My -- My kids live here. 964 00:48:43,955 --> 00:48:46,355 Okay, Grace, you ready? Look both ways. 965 00:48:46,424 --> 00:48:49,692 Good. Let's cross. 966 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,959 I will not. 967 00:48:51,029 --> 00:48:54,164 I never thought I was smart growing up. 968 00:48:54,231 --> 00:48:55,698 I never trusted myself 969 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:57,166 and I never really valued myself. 970 00:48:57,168 --> 00:48:58,233 One of your presents, 971 00:48:58,302 --> 00:49:01,170 you're gonna want to open sooner. 972 00:49:01,238 --> 00:49:04,773 I do feel incredibly small. 973 00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:06,575 And it's hard to say that because 974 00:49:06,577 --> 00:49:09,379 with that comes the lack of control that I feel. 975 00:49:16,253 --> 00:49:18,255 When Gracie got diagnosed, 976 00:49:18,322 --> 00:49:20,222 there was this one moment in the hospital 977 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:23,392 where, you know, she had a port underneath her skin 978 00:49:23,461 --> 00:49:25,260 and they had to pierce the port with a needle 979 00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,730 to get her, you know, chemo or blood transfusions 980 00:49:27,732 --> 00:49:29,399 or whatever it was she needed. 981 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,801 But they had a very specific process of cleaning 982 00:49:31,869 --> 00:49:33,469 and sterilizing all the equipment 983 00:49:33,471 --> 00:49:35,004 before you attach the two. 984 00:49:35,006 --> 00:49:36,172 And I had, two days earlier, 985 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,108 had had a huge lesson on how to do it properly 986 00:49:39,177 --> 00:49:42,344 because we had to do that at home. 987 00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:45,748 And we're in the operating room, 988 00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:48,984 and I saw the nurse wipe it twice. 989 00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:51,754 And they were supposed to do at least 10 seconds of that. 990 00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:55,824 And then they're supposed to let it dry for 20 seconds. 991 00:49:55,893 --> 00:49:58,227 And in that one second, I realized, 992 00:49:58,295 --> 00:50:00,630 "I need to say something. I need to stop this woman, 993 00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:02,498 because if she does that and there's bacteria, 994 00:50:02,567 --> 00:50:04,133 it can go straight into Gracie's bloodstream 995 00:50:04,202 --> 00:50:07,938 through her heart, it can kill her." 996 00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:10,173 In that same exact second, I thought, 997 00:50:10,241 --> 00:50:11,640 "If I say something, she'll say, 998 00:50:11,709 --> 00:50:12,875 'What do you know? You're not trained. 999 00:50:12,944 --> 00:50:13,976 I'm a nurse, you're not. How dare you. 1000 00:50:14,045 --> 00:50:15,578 I'm an authority figure. You're not. 1001 00:50:15,646 --> 00:50:17,180 I'm gonna embarrass you for bringing this up 1002 00:50:17,248 --> 00:50:18,581 and rocking the boat.'" 1003 00:50:23,387 --> 00:50:27,089 And as she's going together, 1004 00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:29,925 I didn't -- I didn't do anything. 1005 00:50:29,994 --> 00:50:31,827 Because I ended up being more afraid 1006 00:50:31,896 --> 00:50:36,031 of what she would say than protecting my daughter. 1007 00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:37,733 And thank God nothing happened, 1008 00:50:37,802 --> 00:50:40,602 but I swore that moment 1009 00:50:40,671 --> 00:50:42,805 I will never, ever let my children 1010 00:50:42,874 --> 00:50:46,041 be put in danger because I was too scared to speak up. 1011 00:50:48,746 --> 00:50:51,348 And I think that was the day I decided 1012 00:50:51,415 --> 00:50:52,948 I'm gonna hurt either way. 1013 00:50:53,017 --> 00:50:54,216 I might as well make a difference. 1014 00:50:54,218 --> 00:50:57,086 I have Melissa Bumstead. 1015 00:50:57,155 --> 00:50:59,187 -Melissa Bumstead... -Melissa Bumstead... 1016 00:50:59,257 --> 00:51:03,158 I hope I'm not talking too fast, but I'm pretty nervous. 1017 00:51:03,227 --> 00:51:04,961 This is alarming, and we are concerned -- 1018 00:51:04,963 --> 00:51:06,429 the cancer moms in my community. 1019 00:51:06,497 --> 00:51:08,330 I mean, these children are on my street. 1020 00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:09,632 I've had it. 1021 00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:17,640 [ Singing indistinctly ] 1022 00:51:17,708 --> 00:51:20,142 A group of seven mothers and I, 1023 00:51:20,211 --> 00:51:22,044 not really understanding what we were doing, 1024 00:51:22,113 --> 00:51:23,679 came to our first DTSC, 1025 00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:25,514 Department of Toxic Substance Control, 1026 00:51:25,583 --> 00:51:27,616 meeting to find out what is wrong? 1027 00:51:27,618 --> 00:51:29,451 Are we in danger? 1028 00:51:29,453 --> 00:51:31,887 And that was the first day I realized we are in danger. 1029 00:51:31,956 --> 00:51:33,856 Through the change.org petition, 1030 00:51:33,858 --> 00:51:36,658 we started to get traction and people started to care, 1031 00:51:36,727 --> 00:51:39,028 and I realized we weren't alone in this fight. 1032 00:51:42,133 --> 00:51:44,400 We're here because of numerous failures of regulators 1033 00:51:44,402 --> 00:51:45,534 to protect the public. 1034 00:51:45,603 --> 00:51:47,002 Reasonable people look at this and say 1035 00:51:47,004 --> 00:51:48,538 "This -- This should not be happening." 1036 00:51:48,605 --> 00:51:49,972 I got up there and I was shaking my hand. 1037 00:51:49,974 --> 00:51:51,607 "How dare you do this to my community? 1038 00:51:51,609 --> 00:51:54,009 You have lied about this, tried to confuse all of us. 1039 00:51:54,078 --> 00:51:55,477 Why would you do this to us?" 1040 00:51:55,546 --> 00:51:56,979 Because it's cheaper for Boeing 1041 00:51:57,048 --> 00:51:59,748 to pay the relatively measly fees your board imposes 1042 00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:01,350 than to clean up their mess. 1043 00:52:01,418 --> 00:52:03,420 You regulate Boeing, not the other way around. 1044 00:52:03,487 --> 00:52:05,320 We are a force to be reckoned with. 1045 00:52:05,389 --> 00:52:09,426 ¶ Papa was a rolling stone ¶ 1046 00:52:09,493 --> 00:52:13,061 ¶ Wherever he laid his hat was his home ¶ 1047 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,364 I've really changed. I've really healed. 1048 00:52:15,432 --> 00:52:18,033 And now I'm willing to have confrontation, 1049 00:52:18,102 --> 00:52:19,468 not for confrontation's sake, 1050 00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:22,504 but to protect people that I care about. 1051 00:52:22,573 --> 00:52:25,841 You know, I still wanted to throw up afterwards. 1052 00:52:25,843 --> 00:52:27,075 She's always been fierce. 1053 00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:29,545 Her motivation to never stop 1054 00:52:29,547 --> 00:52:31,113 just keeps getting stronger and stronger. 1055 00:52:31,181 --> 00:52:33,515 Melissa Bumstead is a superhero. 1056 00:52:33,517 --> 00:52:34,717 I've never met anyone like her. 1057 00:52:34,785 --> 00:52:36,185 She's the face of this cleanup. 1058 00:52:36,187 --> 00:52:37,452 She's got to keep going. 1059 00:52:37,521 --> 00:52:39,989 People like Melissa will change the tide of this fight, 1060 00:52:40,057 --> 00:52:41,924 and I know that she has changed it already. 1061 00:52:41,992 --> 00:52:45,227 There's nothing like a mom wanting to protect her children. 1062 00:52:45,297 --> 00:52:48,330 There's no force on Earth that is more powerful. 1063 00:52:48,399 --> 00:52:51,400 Melissa: My daughter went through excruciating pain, 1064 00:52:51,468 --> 00:52:54,770 and she buried two of her friends last year. 1065 00:52:54,839 --> 00:52:58,173 We are praying to God that we finally get the cleanup 1066 00:52:58,175 --> 00:53:00,008 because sometimes I can't sleep at night 1067 00:53:00,077 --> 00:53:03,011 worrying that my children are in danger. 1068 00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:05,014 And I know that I'm not the only one. 1069 00:53:14,425 --> 00:53:17,060 Esparza: But what people maybe don't remember 1070 00:53:17,127 --> 00:53:21,363 is that we're fitting a lifetime into a year 1071 00:53:21,432 --> 00:53:23,432 or two or three or five. 1072 00:53:23,434 --> 00:53:24,766 -Yes. -And that, you know... 1073 00:53:24,835 --> 00:53:27,436 -So powerful, Gillian. -...predict the future. 1074 00:53:27,438 --> 00:53:30,105 And that's true. It's true for all of us. 1075 00:53:30,107 --> 00:53:32,341 Hammersley: One of the things that I wish we could have done 1076 00:53:32,343 --> 00:53:35,912 because she was in the process of getting a second wish granted 1077 00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:39,982 and her wish was to go was to go to Kleinfeld's in New York 1078 00:53:39,984 --> 00:53:42,185 and try on wedding dresses because her favorite show 1079 00:53:42,253 --> 00:53:44,319 was "Say Yes to the Dress." -Right. 1080 00:53:44,388 --> 00:53:46,688 And we would watch it in the hospital all the time. 1081 00:53:46,757 --> 00:53:49,325 And we got approved and we were planning it 1082 00:53:49,327 --> 00:53:52,594 in January of last year. 1083 00:53:52,663 --> 00:53:54,530 And we were gonna try to go in April. 1084 00:53:54,532 --> 00:53:55,932 Yeah. 1085 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,868 But -- But she didn't get to, 1086 00:53:58,936 --> 00:54:01,770 and it sometimes is really hard because I go, "Gosh, 1087 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,538 she never got to try on a wedding dress. 1088 00:54:03,607 --> 00:54:08,810 She never -- She'll never get to walk down the aisle." 1089 00:54:08,879 --> 00:54:11,279 Like you said, we're trying to fit in a lifetime. 1090 00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:14,216 Right. In just a small number of years, 1091 00:54:14,285 --> 00:54:17,287 and that's -- that's so powerful. 1092 00:54:17,354 --> 00:54:24,494 ¶¶ 1093 00:54:24,561 --> 00:54:28,230 The day she passed away, my husband and I, 1094 00:54:28,299 --> 00:54:32,000 we weren't -- we weren't ready to go home. 1095 00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:34,370 We left her at the hospital and that was the hardest thing 1096 00:54:34,438 --> 00:54:38,573 we ever had to do was to leave there without her. 1097 00:54:38,642 --> 00:54:41,311 It was so hard to trust in anything, 1098 00:54:41,378 --> 00:54:45,447 because all you feel is that tangible loss. 1099 00:54:45,516 --> 00:54:48,917 Keep praying and stay strong. 1100 00:54:52,589 --> 00:54:55,423 Hammersley: I tried to get to a protest the other day, 1101 00:54:55,493 --> 00:54:59,194 but my body wouldn't let me. 1102 00:54:59,196 --> 00:55:01,596 Melissa and I tell each other all the time, 1103 00:55:01,665 --> 00:55:03,999 like, "Just do what you can, and that's okay. 1104 00:55:04,068 --> 00:55:06,134 And don't feel bad." 1105 00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:08,671 But it was hard because I continued to feel guilty 1106 00:55:08,739 --> 00:55:10,405 because I was like, 1107 00:55:10,474 --> 00:55:15,744 "This -- This fight doesn't stop just because I do." 1108 00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:20,550 But watching what Melissa has done over this last year 1109 00:55:20,617 --> 00:55:23,285 has just been remarkable. 1110 00:55:25,556 --> 00:55:27,756 Being a mom is hard enough. 1111 00:55:27,825 --> 00:55:31,327 Being a mom of a childhood cancer makes it harder. 1112 00:55:31,395 --> 00:55:34,162 Then being a mom who's trying to protect all the kids 1113 00:55:34,231 --> 00:55:38,568 in her community from some insidious exposure -- 1114 00:55:38,635 --> 00:55:42,371 the level of responsibility you end up taking on and feeling 1115 00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:48,310 is daunting and draining and overwhelming. 1116 00:55:48,379 --> 00:55:50,746 I've seen the toll that it's taken on her 1117 00:55:50,814 --> 00:55:54,583 because it's frustrating when people don't listen. 1118 00:55:54,585 --> 00:55:56,351 But she still gets up and she still fights, 1119 00:55:56,420 --> 00:56:01,189 and she still is pushing so hard 1120 00:56:01,258 --> 00:56:03,325 because she's watched her friends 1121 00:56:03,327 --> 00:56:04,927 bury their children. 1122 00:56:04,929 --> 00:56:12,068 ¶¶ 1123 00:56:12,136 --> 00:56:19,375 ¶¶ 1124 00:56:24,481 --> 00:56:31,486 Duffield: Melissa is the key to the cleanup. 1125 00:56:31,555 --> 00:56:37,759 Melissa now is leading the community in this effort, 1126 00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:41,497 and her voice is critical 1127 00:56:41,499 --> 00:56:43,166 and the leadership that she's shown 1128 00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:45,834 in organizing her community is critical, 1129 00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:50,506 and that will make or break everything. 1130 00:56:53,076 --> 00:56:57,447 Anything else that is worth putting a flag on? 1131 00:56:57,514 --> 00:56:59,781 I was thinking something like this 1132 00:56:59,783 --> 00:57:02,184 might even be good to put out to the community 1133 00:57:02,186 --> 00:57:04,052 who are trying to figure out how to message it 1134 00:57:04,054 --> 00:57:05,321 to hit the right target, 1135 00:57:05,389 --> 00:57:07,590 and we don't really know what the right next target is. 1136 00:57:07,658 --> 00:57:10,459 Right. And then randomly, she had an idea... 1137 00:57:10,461 --> 00:57:14,529 Hirsch: I admire Melissa more than I can begin to say. 1138 00:57:14,598 --> 00:57:16,665 She's taken this personal tragedy 1139 00:57:16,734 --> 00:57:19,202 and used that as motivation 1140 00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:22,271 and energy to try to protect others. 1141 00:57:22,339 --> 00:57:24,673 And I've been in meetings where Melissa and Grace 1142 00:57:24,742 --> 00:57:27,642 have gone to meet with state senators, 1143 00:57:27,711 --> 00:57:30,278 and they touched their hearts some. 1144 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,615 It becomes much easier to do what a polluter wants you to do 1145 00:57:33,684 --> 00:57:35,817 if you don't see who gets hurt from it. 1146 00:57:35,886 --> 00:57:38,020 Duffield: We really have to look to our decision makers 1147 00:57:38,088 --> 00:57:41,089 to commit to us that the site will be fully cleaned up 1148 00:57:41,158 --> 00:57:44,493 in a timely manner and that they will make that a priority. 1149 00:57:44,495 --> 00:57:45,861 How did you feel about the meeting, Melissa? 1150 00:57:51,835 --> 00:57:54,837 These hundreds of thousands of signatures on the petition 1151 00:57:54,905 --> 00:57:56,972 have turned things around quite a bit. 1152 00:57:57,041 --> 00:57:58,174 The question is, is it enough? 1153 00:58:05,083 --> 00:58:08,650 [ Speaking indistinctly on telephone ] 1154 00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:11,587 Hmm. Mm-hmm. 1155 00:58:14,925 --> 00:58:16,792 Well, it sounds like they're driving through 1156 00:58:16,794 --> 00:58:19,527 the campaign trail, and we fit in it. 1157 00:58:19,597 --> 00:58:21,796 He said that they're gonna bring a lot of film cameras, 1158 00:58:21,865 --> 00:58:23,865 national news. 1159 00:58:23,934 --> 00:58:26,001 Okay, and so what if they say he's not ready to sign? 1160 00:58:26,003 --> 00:58:30,071 Like they already know he's not ready to sign? 1161 00:58:30,140 --> 00:58:33,442 But that's the conversation that he might go to immediately 1162 00:58:33,511 --> 00:58:35,711 because I'm going to call him. He asked that I would call. 1163 00:58:35,779 --> 00:58:38,413 Hi, hon. How you doing? 1164 00:58:38,482 --> 00:58:40,950 Right. 1165 00:58:41,018 --> 00:58:43,351 Yep. Yep, yep. 1166 00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:45,587 [ Speaking indistinctly on telephone ] 1167 00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:47,690 [ Water running ] 1168 00:58:47,758 --> 00:58:50,292 Okay. Okay. Right. 1169 00:58:53,964 --> 00:58:55,030 Okay. 1170 00:58:55,098 --> 00:58:56,064 Okay, yeah. 1171 00:58:56,132 --> 00:58:57,866 Good, I mean, at least I -- 1172 00:59:02,706 --> 00:59:05,440 Okay. Thanks so much, you guys. I so appreciate you. 1173 00:59:05,509 --> 00:59:09,044 All right. All right. Bye. 1174 00:59:09,113 --> 00:59:11,313 [ Sighs ] 1175 00:59:11,315 --> 00:59:12,748 Hey, hon. 1176 00:59:25,929 --> 00:59:29,597 Melissa: I got a call from John Cox's campaign manager. 1177 00:59:29,667 --> 00:59:31,533 They weren't really making a huge effort, 1178 00:59:31,535 --> 00:59:33,935 and now it's four days before the election, 1179 00:59:34,004 --> 00:59:36,005 and all of a sudden they're, like, hounding me 1180 00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:39,475 to come to host this thing where Cox can step in 1181 00:59:39,543 --> 00:59:41,878 with all these, you know, crying cancer moms. 1182 00:59:41,945 --> 00:59:44,613 And it was just so much pressure in such a short amount of time 1183 00:59:44,681 --> 00:59:46,081 to try to figure things out. 1184 00:59:46,149 --> 00:59:47,882 You know, Denise has been great and she's saying, 1185 00:59:47,951 --> 00:59:50,019 "Melissa, you know, in the end, this has to be your call 1186 00:59:50,087 --> 00:59:51,621 because this is your community 1187 00:59:51,688 --> 00:59:53,756 and you need to do what you feel is right." 1188 00:59:53,824 --> 00:59:55,625 And then Dan's going like, "You can't do this. 1189 00:59:55,692 --> 01:00:00,095 You know, you're walking into a trap," essentially. 1190 01:00:00,163 --> 01:00:02,030 And so when I got that word, 1191 01:00:02,099 --> 01:00:03,431 I called them up and said, 1192 01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:05,902 "I prayed about it. I don't feel good about it. 1193 01:00:05,969 --> 01:00:07,703 I'm sorry. I just can't do it." 1194 01:00:07,705 --> 01:00:10,372 And so I canceled. 1195 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,240 I hate that. I hate that politics 1196 01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:14,242 has to be part of anything I do, to be honest. 1197 01:00:14,311 --> 01:00:17,912 I just like to be honest and do what I feel is right 1198 01:00:17,981 --> 01:00:20,382 and kind of always have my cards out. 1199 01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:21,850 I don't even know if I made the right choice, 1200 01:00:21,852 --> 01:00:24,319 and now people are mad at me, and I don't even know 1201 01:00:24,388 --> 01:00:25,854 if they're right or wrong. And I don't know anything. 1202 01:00:25,922 --> 01:00:28,858 I just feel like I don't know anything. 1203 01:00:28,925 --> 01:00:30,792 And then Dan saying, like -- 1204 01:00:30,861 --> 01:00:32,728 I know he was trying to be nice, but I kind of wish he hadn't. 1205 01:00:32,796 --> 01:00:35,063 He said, "You know, it's kind of on your shoulders now, Melissa. 1206 01:00:35,132 --> 01:00:37,599 You've got to make this happen or we're all gonna lose." 1207 01:00:37,601 --> 01:00:39,401 And I was like... 1208 01:00:39,469 --> 01:00:40,869 You know, some people are trying to say, like, 1209 01:00:40,938 --> 01:00:43,071 "Oh, these people are using you and these people are using you." 1210 01:00:43,073 --> 01:00:47,342 And I'm a very small person. 1211 01:00:47,344 --> 01:00:48,943 You know, I'm -- 1212 01:00:49,012 --> 01:00:52,947 This is not what I thought my life would be. 1213 01:00:53,016 --> 01:00:56,418 And I feel so little and I feel so powerless 1214 01:00:56,486 --> 01:01:01,489 right now, and doesn't stop. 1215 01:01:01,491 --> 01:01:03,826 And then I have these little times of melting down, 1216 01:01:03,894 --> 01:01:07,830 and then I pack it up and wash my face. 1217 01:01:07,898 --> 01:01:10,165 And then I go pick up the kids from school 1218 01:01:10,167 --> 01:01:11,733 and life just moves on. 1219 01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:17,238 I think that's all I have to say. 1220 01:01:17,307 --> 01:01:23,645 ¶¶ 1221 01:01:23,713 --> 01:01:26,982 I've been dealing with the Santa Susana facility 1222 01:01:26,984 --> 01:01:30,318 for 39 years. 1223 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,455 I tried to walk away from the Santa Susana issue 1224 01:01:33,523 --> 01:01:34,923 several years ago. 1225 01:01:34,992 --> 01:01:36,125 After the AOC was signed, 1226 01:01:36,193 --> 01:01:38,993 I thought there was no real need for me to continue, 1227 01:01:39,062 --> 01:01:40,996 it was gonna get cleaned up. 1228 01:01:40,998 --> 01:01:42,798 And then when the Brown administration 1229 01:01:42,866 --> 01:01:46,801 started to undo it, I failed at trying to stop them. 1230 01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:51,473 But I have not been able to somehow break what I feel 1231 01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:53,608 is a promise I made to those people. 1232 01:01:53,677 --> 01:01:56,946 Even though it was a promise I had no idea could take so long. 1233 01:01:57,013 --> 01:02:00,215 Duffield: Santa Susana is not for the faint-hearted. 1234 01:02:00,217 --> 01:02:04,753 It's a long, complicated struggle. 1235 01:02:04,755 --> 01:02:06,688 I'm an advocate. 1236 01:02:06,757 --> 01:02:08,890 We've been working for 30 years with other groups 1237 01:02:08,892 --> 01:02:11,359 who've invested a similar amount of time. 1238 01:02:11,428 --> 01:02:17,565 And so it's hard to not also wonder, you know, what more -- 1239 01:02:17,567 --> 01:02:21,036 is there anything more that could have been done? 1240 01:02:21,104 --> 01:02:24,139 Hirsch: It's a fight between those who have conscience 1241 01:02:24,207 --> 01:02:29,477 and those who whose concern is primarily power and profit. 1242 01:02:29,545 --> 01:02:32,313 These fights never end. 1243 01:02:32,382 --> 01:02:35,450 And if you don't fight them, you always lose. 1244 01:02:35,452 --> 01:02:44,993 ¶¶ 1245 01:02:45,062 --> 01:02:54,602 ¶¶ 1246 01:02:54,671 --> 01:03:04,145 ¶¶ 1247 01:03:04,214 --> 01:03:08,016 Reporter: Right now, this fire is still growing pretty quickly here, 1248 01:03:08,084 --> 01:03:11,920 blowing out of the north-northeast. 1249 01:03:11,989 --> 01:03:16,491 And it's still continuing at about 35 to 40 miles an hour. 1250 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,827 We're watching and we're looking at 1251 01:03:17,894 --> 01:03:20,562 some of these hotspots out here, and it is very disheartening 1252 01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:23,498 for any of these folks that are here living nearby. 1253 01:03:23,567 --> 01:03:28,738 ¶¶ 1254 01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:31,539 Reporter #2: The Woolsey Fire, now over 30000 acres burnt. 1255 01:03:31,541 --> 01:03:33,374 Reporter #3: It's just a monster, a nightmare out here. 1256 01:03:33,443 --> 01:03:36,110 Reporter #4: This entire neighborhood has been obliterated. 1257 01:03:36,112 --> 01:03:38,179 All the mountains around here are scorched. 1258 01:03:38,181 --> 01:03:40,849 Reporter #5: Winds out here not really helping the situation. 1259 01:03:40,851 --> 01:03:42,751 Reporter #6: This fire is fast. 1260 01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:45,453 It is fueled by those Santa Ana winds. 1261 01:03:45,523 --> 01:03:47,089 Reporter #7: Flames continuing to burn. 1262 01:03:47,157 --> 01:03:50,592 We have been this really just run down the hillside. 1263 01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:54,130 You really can see how vast this wildfire is, 1264 01:03:54,197 --> 01:03:57,132 threatening tens of thousands of homes. 1265 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,735 Reporter #8: Firefighters are doing everything they can 1266 01:04:00,804 --> 01:04:02,537 to slow this thing down. 1267 01:04:02,606 --> 01:04:05,073 This fire here is still being very stubborn. 1268 01:04:05,142 --> 01:04:07,877 Working its way out of the Rocketdyne complex 1269 01:04:07,944 --> 01:04:09,811 over in the Bell Canyon. 1270 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,381 [ Speaks indistinctly ] 1271 01:04:12,449 --> 01:04:20,088 ¶¶ 1272 01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:23,425 And just see how terrible the air quality is out here as well. 1273 01:04:23,427 --> 01:04:25,526 We had to get up to about 10,000 feet just to get some 1274 01:04:25,595 --> 01:04:28,730 clear air to breathe around here. 1275 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:31,566 Our worst fear for 15 years, 1276 01:04:31,635 --> 01:04:33,901 that if a fire ever happened at the lab, 1277 01:04:33,971 --> 01:04:36,038 it would be the easiest way for those contaminants 1278 01:04:36,106 --> 01:04:37,572 to get to the public. 1279 01:04:37,641 --> 01:04:39,007 And here it's happened. 1280 01:04:47,584 --> 01:04:49,717 Reporter: There are three questions that we're investigating 1281 01:04:49,786 --> 01:04:51,819 about the devastating Woolsey Fire -- 1282 01:04:51,888 --> 01:04:53,988 where and how did the fire start, 1283 01:04:54,057 --> 01:04:56,190 and is the smoke, the smoke that is still 1284 01:04:56,259 --> 01:04:58,193 rising from the ground, toxic? 1285 01:04:58,262 --> 01:05:00,528 There is mounting evidence that the fire started 1286 01:05:00,597 --> 01:05:02,464 at the Santa Susana Field Lab. 1287 01:05:02,532 --> 01:05:04,133 There is growing concern tonight 1288 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,801 over toxic fallout from the Woolsey Fire. 1289 01:05:06,803 --> 01:05:08,202 Reporter #2: Government officials say 1290 01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:10,205 testing shows the air is safe. 1291 01:05:10,273 --> 01:05:13,208 Some doctors and advocates call that a smoke screen. 1292 01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:15,677 Dodge: Smoke from any brush fire is dangerous to inhale. 1293 01:05:15,745 --> 01:05:18,747 In this case, with these added, very hazardous elements, 1294 01:05:18,815 --> 01:05:19,947 it makes it far more dangerous. 1295 01:05:20,017 --> 01:05:21,050 Reporter #3: A statement today 1296 01:05:21,117 --> 01:05:23,484 from the Department of Toxic Substances Control 1297 01:05:23,553 --> 01:05:25,087 says initial tests show... 1298 01:05:25,155 --> 01:05:27,055 Reporter #4: ...official news release claimed there was no -- 1299 01:05:27,124 --> 01:05:29,190 Reporter #3: ...no risk to people living nearby. 1300 01:05:29,259 --> 01:05:31,826 It did not appear to be a hazard to the public. 1301 01:05:31,895 --> 01:05:34,496 No discernible signs of radiation. 1302 01:05:34,564 --> 01:05:37,233 The potential hazard of major release 1303 01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:39,767 into the environment was just not there. 1304 01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:42,104 What was significant about the Woolsey Fire 1305 01:05:42,172 --> 01:05:44,572 is that it started on the property 1306 01:05:44,641 --> 01:05:47,275 of the Santa Susana Field Laboratory. 1307 01:05:47,344 --> 01:05:52,848 It's very distressing when you know how terribly 1308 01:05:52,916 --> 01:05:56,851 polluted it is to then turn on the television 1309 01:05:56,853 --> 01:05:59,053 and see it in flames. 1310 01:05:59,122 --> 01:06:03,124 After the fire, you know, 80% of the site burned. 1311 01:06:03,126 --> 01:06:07,795 We have learned since then that NASA took down tanks and piping 1312 01:06:07,797 --> 01:06:11,532 and had moved a fire station that, had they been in place, 1313 01:06:11,601 --> 01:06:13,435 could have put that fire out. 1314 01:06:13,503 --> 01:06:15,436 Regardless of what happens to the site, 1315 01:06:15,438 --> 01:06:18,606 it's always going to be in a fire-risk area. 1316 01:06:18,675 --> 01:06:22,343 So why one would remove water tanks and piping, 1317 01:06:22,412 --> 01:06:23,679 I don't know. 1318 01:06:44,634 --> 01:06:48,137 Duffield: And after the fire, DTSC released an interim report. 1319 01:06:48,204 --> 01:06:49,538 For them to release a report 1320 01:06:49,606 --> 01:06:52,308 that shows them doing air monitoring after the fire 1321 01:06:52,375 --> 01:06:53,875 is silly. 1322 01:06:53,944 --> 01:06:55,743 The greatest risk was during a fire. 1323 01:06:55,745 --> 01:06:59,647 They have now admitted that the burned vegetation 1324 01:06:59,716 --> 01:07:02,184 made the contaminants in the soil more mobile, 1325 01:07:02,252 --> 01:07:05,887 and that's part of the reason why we have these 57 exceedances 1326 01:07:05,955 --> 01:07:08,590 in storm water runoff after the fire. 1327 01:07:08,658 --> 01:07:11,727 But the bottom line is if it had been cleaned up 1328 01:07:11,795 --> 01:07:14,595 as it should have been by 2017, 1329 01:07:14,664 --> 01:07:16,865 we wouldn't be having this conversation. 1330 01:07:19,402 --> 01:07:21,869 Dodge: The vegetation on site is contaminated. 1331 01:07:21,871 --> 01:07:23,806 And as the vegetation burned, 1332 01:07:23,873 --> 01:07:26,674 it then aerosolized high up into the atmosphere 1333 01:07:26,743 --> 01:07:29,077 and then was able to spread across the basin. 1334 01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:32,613 Our concern, admittedly for the fire 1335 01:07:32,682 --> 01:07:34,015 was that the contamination 1336 01:07:34,017 --> 01:07:37,051 probably spread mainly the toxic chemicals, 1337 01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:39,188 which come from the burning of fuels 1338 01:07:39,255 --> 01:07:41,356 and the rocket engine firings. 1339 01:07:41,358 --> 01:07:45,626 The dangerous levels of exposure to chemical contaminants 1340 01:07:45,695 --> 01:07:48,630 somewhat follow a similar pattern to the radionuclides. 1341 01:07:48,698 --> 01:07:50,966 Every level increases the risk. 1342 01:08:30,907 --> 01:08:32,408 My name is Mike Stenstrom. 1343 01:08:32,475 --> 01:08:34,675 I'm a member of the expert panel. 1344 01:08:34,744 --> 01:08:37,612 And so I'd like to say that we've been involved in this, 1345 01:08:37,681 --> 01:08:42,050 the panel has, since almost the inception of the fire. 1346 01:08:42,052 --> 01:08:43,484 We are an independent panel. 1347 01:08:43,554 --> 01:08:47,288 We are funded by Boeing, 1348 01:08:47,357 --> 01:08:51,092 and we've been using Geosyntec to assist us. 1349 01:08:51,161 --> 01:08:55,963 But, you see, there's a trend of decreasing exceedances 1350 01:08:56,032 --> 01:08:57,900 as we move forward in time. 1351 01:08:57,967 --> 01:08:59,901 Man: Concentrations over the course of the season 1352 01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:02,304 are returning to pre-fire levels. 1353 01:09:02,372 --> 01:09:04,505 We have what we have here is a lot of exceedances 1354 01:09:04,507 --> 01:09:07,909 in areas where you don't see a lot of legacy contamination. 1355 01:09:07,977 --> 01:09:09,812 So the system's already recovering, 1356 01:09:09,879 --> 01:09:11,346 and we're happy about that. 1357 01:09:11,414 --> 01:09:13,181 My name is Denise Duffield. I'm the associate director 1358 01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:16,450 at Physicians for Social Responsibility of Los Angeles. 1359 01:09:16,519 --> 01:09:19,721 I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe, 1360 01:09:19,723 --> 01:09:22,790 though, after this very Orwellian presentation. 1361 01:09:22,859 --> 01:09:27,929 57 exceedances and violations is astonishing. 1362 01:09:27,997 --> 01:09:31,132 The expert panel is paid by Boeing. 1363 01:09:31,201 --> 01:09:35,336 That begs a lot of credulity on their independence. 1364 01:09:35,338 --> 01:09:37,406 It's an open, seeping wound in our community 1365 01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:39,607 that threatens our public health every time it rains 1366 01:09:39,676 --> 01:09:41,342 or the wind blows or the fires burn. 1367 01:09:41,411 --> 01:09:42,543 I live in Simi Valley. 1368 01:09:42,545 --> 01:09:43,611 I have a 3-year-old. 1369 01:09:43,613 --> 01:09:45,813 I'm a Golden State Water customer. 1370 01:09:45,882 --> 01:09:48,149 I've got groundwater from below SSFL 1371 01:09:48,217 --> 01:09:50,385 being pumped into my home with every bath, 1372 01:09:50,453 --> 01:09:52,087 with every meal. 1373 01:09:52,155 --> 01:09:54,223 It's your job to protect my water source. 1374 01:09:54,290 --> 01:09:56,892 You regulate Boeing, not the other way around. 1375 01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,560 Woman: Thank you. 1376 01:10:02,565 --> 01:10:03,899 I'm a little disappointed today. 1377 01:10:03,966 --> 01:10:06,968 I had actually assumed that it would be 1378 01:10:06,970 --> 01:10:10,906 an independent panel, expert panel speaking today. 1379 01:10:10,974 --> 01:10:13,307 I didn't know anything about politics 1380 01:10:13,376 --> 01:10:15,343 until the last five years, and I've learned 1381 01:10:15,411 --> 01:10:17,744 that you always have to follow the money. 1382 01:10:17,746 --> 01:10:21,616 That's the basic understanding of how America works these days, 1383 01:10:21,684 --> 01:10:23,718 unfortunately, and I was very disappointed. 1384 01:10:23,787 --> 01:10:26,221 I'm sure their intellect is -- 1385 01:10:26,289 --> 01:10:28,657 is better than mine, hands down. 1386 01:10:28,725 --> 01:10:31,426 However, that's not an independent panel, 1387 01:10:31,428 --> 01:10:33,394 and the people of Los Angeles deserve better 1388 01:10:33,463 --> 01:10:36,865 on such a critically important issue. 1389 01:10:36,933 --> 01:10:38,534 We've got a lot of facts. We know the facts. 1390 01:10:38,601 --> 01:10:40,669 We're all intelligent people here. 1391 01:10:40,737 --> 01:10:44,205 But I think what is lacking is courage to do the right thing. 1392 01:10:44,207 --> 01:10:47,475 And so I wanted to bring you my daughter's beads of courage. 1393 01:10:47,544 --> 01:10:50,077 My daughter is a two-time cancer survivor at 9 years old. 1394 01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:59,186 ¶¶ 1395 01:10:59,188 --> 01:11:03,558 I heard a lot of good news about nominal exceedances, 1396 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,229 but you need to understand that these exceedances affect us. 1397 01:11:08,297 --> 01:11:10,198 We've come to find out that our area 1398 01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:13,901 is above the national average for childhood cancers. 1399 01:11:13,971 --> 01:11:15,971 We've had several who've passed away 1400 01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:17,905 and this is the cost of exceedances, 1401 01:11:17,974 --> 01:11:20,975 and I really ask you to have the courage 1402 01:11:20,977 --> 01:11:24,578 to do the right thing. Thank you. 1403 01:11:24,647 --> 01:11:26,481 Woman: Thank you. 1404 01:11:34,023 --> 01:11:35,757 Grover: This was part of what was so amazing 1405 01:11:35,825 --> 01:11:38,159 about this story to me. 1406 01:11:38,228 --> 01:11:41,062 I grew up near the Field Lab. 1407 01:11:41,064 --> 01:11:44,265 Thousands of people have lived near the Field Lab, 1408 01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:47,335 and most people have never heard of it. 1409 01:11:47,403 --> 01:11:51,406 The Santa Susana issue was almost dead, 1410 01:11:51,474 --> 01:11:55,543 and that fire jumpstarted a whole new round of attention. 1411 01:11:55,611 --> 01:12:02,149 [ Tweeting sound ] 1412 01:12:02,218 --> 01:12:08,155 ¶¶ 1413 01:12:08,224 --> 01:12:10,425 Millions are learning about the toxic threat 1414 01:12:10,427 --> 01:12:12,827 from the contaminated Santa Susana Field Lab, 1415 01:12:12,829 --> 01:12:15,429 all because of tweets from the Kardashians. 1416 01:12:15,498 --> 01:12:17,498 When the Woolsey Fire hit, it blew up. 1417 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:19,233 Without a doubt, there's new life. 1418 01:12:19,302 --> 01:12:21,703 -People are paying attention. -People are listening. 1419 01:12:21,771 --> 01:12:24,339 The community support has radically changed. 1420 01:12:24,408 --> 01:12:25,906 Kim Kardashian tweeted. 1421 01:12:25,908 --> 01:12:28,543 All of a sudden, we've got 100,000 shares on a tweet. 1422 01:12:28,611 --> 01:12:32,047 Man: Kim Kardashian telling her 58 million Twitter followers 1423 01:12:32,114 --> 01:12:34,849 she's shocked and furious to learn that Woolsey Fire 1424 01:12:34,917 --> 01:12:38,385 started at Santa Susana and is potentially radioactive. 1425 01:12:38,455 --> 01:12:40,855 The reporting we did brought some attention, 1426 01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:42,524 but of course, the Kardashians 1427 01:12:42,592 --> 01:12:44,926 can bring the issue way more attention. 1428 01:12:44,994 --> 01:12:46,294 -People are believing in this, you know, 1429 01:12:46,363 --> 01:12:47,595 like, this is the real thing. 1430 01:12:47,664 --> 01:12:49,196 We're not just playing games anymore. 1431 01:12:49,265 --> 01:12:50,431 Come on, guys, 1432 01:12:50,433 --> 01:12:51,732 we're going on the other side of the side, okay? 1433 01:12:51,801 --> 01:12:53,534 These are all my other children here. 1434 01:12:53,603 --> 01:12:56,571 I'm seeing enough changes happening that I am hopeful 1435 01:12:56,639 --> 01:12:59,140 it could be ripped out from underneath us at any moment. 1436 01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:01,609 I know what it's like to lose a child with cancer, 1437 01:13:01,678 --> 01:13:05,314 and nobody should ever have to face that again. 1438 01:13:05,381 --> 01:13:08,282 The Killers: ¶ You can't break me down ¶ 1439 01:13:08,284 --> 01:13:10,351 ¶ I got gas in the tank ¶ 1440 01:13:10,419 --> 01:13:12,753 ¶ I got money in the bank ¶ 1441 01:13:12,822 --> 01:13:15,589 ¶ I got news for you, baby, you're looking at the man ¶ 1442 01:13:15,658 --> 01:13:19,027 It has gone so fast that I'm still out of breath. 1443 01:13:19,095 --> 01:13:20,761 We're trying to put together a coalition 1444 01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:22,564 with all of our elected officials. 1445 01:13:22,632 --> 01:13:25,199 People need to stop passing the ball, take leadership. 1446 01:13:25,268 --> 01:13:27,902 ¶ Who's the man? Who's the man? ¶ 1447 01:13:27,970 --> 01:13:29,704 ¶ I'm the man, I'm the man ¶ 1448 01:13:29,706 --> 01:13:31,772 ¶ Who's the man with the plan? ¶ 1449 01:13:31,841 --> 01:13:33,040 ¶ I'm the man ¶ 1450 01:13:33,042 --> 01:13:35,643 Knack: They are counting on us, not goodness. 1451 01:13:35,712 --> 01:13:37,379 They're counting on us, not being able to see 1452 01:13:37,447 --> 01:13:38,779 the bigger picture. 1453 01:13:38,781 --> 01:13:40,915 I really hope we're not sitting here in 10 years, 1454 01:13:40,984 --> 01:13:44,852 with the follow up of why this damn thing's been happening. 1455 01:13:44,921 --> 01:13:47,388 We never know what domino we're setting into effect 1456 01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:49,123 when we just do what we can. 1457 01:13:49,192 --> 01:13:53,795 Secretary, so you're supposed to be completed by 2017, 1458 01:13:53,863 --> 01:13:56,397 haven't started by 2019. 1459 01:13:56,465 --> 01:13:58,866 Will you come to the San Fernando Valley 1460 01:13:58,935 --> 01:14:01,669 and explain to people when this site 1461 01:14:01,738 --> 01:14:02,870 will be cleaned up? 1462 01:14:02,939 --> 01:14:05,539 Man: The clean up timeline was 2017. 1463 01:14:05,608 --> 01:14:08,742 Back in 2010, it is 2019, and we haven't even got started, 1464 01:14:08,811 --> 01:14:09,877 There's a level of toxicity, 1465 01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:13,281 the history that is just depressing. 1466 01:14:13,349 --> 01:14:14,949 I mean, it's a complete mess. 1467 01:14:14,951 --> 01:14:16,884 When I got to say I'm the mom who started 1468 01:14:16,953 --> 01:14:18,285 the change.org petition, 1469 01:14:18,354 --> 01:14:20,555 we have 650,000 signatures. 1470 01:14:20,557 --> 01:14:23,090 It was like, I'm sorry, did you say, 250,000? 1471 01:14:23,158 --> 01:14:25,693 No, 650,000. 1472 01:14:25,695 --> 01:14:27,095 All of a sudden they're like, "Oh, come to the door. 1473 01:14:27,163 --> 01:14:29,697 What was your name again? Where are you from?" 1474 01:14:29,766 --> 01:14:31,232 It's not about winning or being right. 1475 01:14:31,234 --> 01:14:33,367 It's about children. 1476 01:14:33,369 --> 01:14:36,770 It's about families, it's about quality of life. 1477 01:14:36,772 --> 01:14:38,873 ¶¶ 1478 01:14:54,323 --> 01:14:56,124 I know that there's a risk 1479 01:14:56,192 --> 01:14:58,325 of a large segment of this community 1480 01:14:58,327 --> 01:15:01,196 and maybe even the larger Los Angeles area 1481 01:15:01,264 --> 01:15:03,130 looking at this 1482 01:15:03,132 --> 01:15:07,302 and questioning our sanity. 1483 01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:10,138 But I would urge anybody 1484 01:15:10,206 --> 01:15:13,340 to put on your reading glasses and whip out that 13 pages, 1485 01:15:13,409 --> 01:15:16,077 it's only 13 pages, 2007 EPA report, 1486 01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:19,079 preliminary report at the Santa Susana Field Lab 1487 01:15:19,148 --> 01:15:20,948 and then call me crazy. 1488 01:15:21,017 --> 01:15:23,150 It is if the officials have not read the data 1489 01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:25,019 as if they are completely unaware that we, 1490 01:15:25,021 --> 01:15:26,621 the citizens, could be at risk. 1491 01:15:26,623 --> 01:15:27,922 And that was alarming to me 1492 01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:30,491 because I felt like we weren't being taken seriously. 1493 01:15:33,029 --> 01:15:37,365 It makes me sick that these women have given 1494 01:15:37,433 --> 01:15:38,834 so selflessly of themselves 1495 01:15:38,901 --> 01:15:43,571 and a fight -- have fought and continue to fight. 1496 01:15:43,639 --> 01:15:45,774 This is not what they want to talk about over dinner. 1497 01:15:45,841 --> 01:15:47,975 They don't want to sit up and read EPA documents. 1498 01:15:48,044 --> 01:15:50,178 They want to have a good time, they don't have a barbecue 1499 01:15:50,246 --> 01:15:53,114 and they want to watch their kids play in the yard. 1500 01:15:53,182 --> 01:15:56,718 And I want that, too. 1501 01:15:58,921 --> 01:16:01,388 I'm sorry. I want that, too, 1502 01:16:01,457 --> 01:16:03,191 and I want that for my family, but, um... 1503 01:16:05,661 --> 01:16:07,728 I can read. 1504 01:16:07,730 --> 01:16:10,031 I'm not going to pretend that I didn't read it. 1505 01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:16,338 Sorry. 1506 01:16:21,344 --> 01:16:25,479 Santa Claus is coming! Santa Claus is coming! 1507 01:16:25,481 --> 01:16:28,082 [ Humming ] 1508 01:16:28,084 --> 01:16:29,216 [ Speaks indistinctly ] 1509 01:16:29,285 --> 01:16:31,552 -Can I have a chocolate? -Can I have a chocolate? 1510 01:16:31,621 --> 01:16:33,921 You're a good boy! You're a good boy. 1511 01:16:33,991 --> 01:16:41,295 ¶¶ 1512 01:16:41,364 --> 01:16:44,398 [ Child speaking indistinctly ] 1513 01:16:44,467 --> 01:16:50,838 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1514 01:16:50,906 --> 01:17:00,180 ¶¶ 1515 01:17:00,249 --> 01:17:03,151 ¶¶ 1516 01:17:03,219 --> 01:17:08,123 Blumenfeld: The time is now to get the ball moving. 1517 01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:11,459 My goal has been to change and improve, I would say, 1518 01:17:11,527 --> 01:17:14,261 the culture of the Department of Toxic Substance Control. 1519 01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:16,698 They are the regulator, they set the clean up standards, 1520 01:17:16,765 --> 01:17:19,667 this is not a ongoing negotiation. 1521 01:17:19,735 --> 01:17:22,002 The polluters have a role, they have to pay for it, 1522 01:17:22,071 --> 01:17:24,605 and they have to adhere to the standards that we have here. 1523 01:17:24,673 --> 01:17:27,342 These entities going in 2007, 1524 01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:30,811 Department of Energy and NASA in 2010 entered into agreements. 1525 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,013 Those are legally binding agreements. 1526 01:17:33,015 --> 01:17:35,983 We will hold them to those agreements. 1527 01:17:36,052 --> 01:17:38,553 -We'll see. -We'll see. I have no faith. 1528 01:17:38,621 --> 01:17:41,221 Given the length of time that the cleanup plans 1529 01:17:41,290 --> 01:17:44,658 have been made and broken, it's always a concern 1530 01:17:44,727 --> 01:17:46,894 that this will go into another administration. 1531 01:17:46,962 --> 01:17:50,497 They signed a legal binding document in 2010 1532 01:17:50,566 --> 01:17:52,434 when we thought we won the victory. 1533 01:17:52,501 --> 01:17:56,303 Additionally, studies performed after signing the AOC 1534 01:17:56,372 --> 01:18:00,040 identified less contamination than previously projected. 1535 01:18:00,109 --> 01:18:03,043 We had no idea it was all going to get thrown upon. 1536 01:18:03,112 --> 01:18:06,781 Child: I am a two-time cancer survivor. 1537 01:18:06,783 --> 01:18:09,884 It has turned my life upside down, and I never feel safe 1538 01:18:09,952 --> 01:18:10,984 living here. 1539 01:18:11,054 --> 01:18:13,922 I want to feel safe. 1540 01:18:13,989 --> 01:18:16,858 Folks, this way. 1541 01:18:16,926 --> 01:18:19,359 We're here at the NASA meeting right now. 1542 01:18:19,428 --> 01:18:21,962 They're trying to justify why they should be able to lead 1543 01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:26,099 contaminated waste in our community. 1544 01:18:26,168 --> 01:18:27,401 I want to show you one of 1545 01:18:27,403 --> 01:18:29,269 these justifications that I can't believe, 1546 01:18:29,338 --> 01:18:33,073 and I've seen a lot of falsehoods -- Oh, my gosh. 1547 01:18:33,075 --> 01:18:35,276 SEIS found no discernible differences 1548 01:18:35,344 --> 01:18:37,012 to health and safety. 1549 01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:40,715 Across the action alternatives. That's absurd. 1550 01:18:40,784 --> 01:18:44,285 NASA claims that under federal environmental law, 1551 01:18:44,287 --> 01:18:47,689 that they have to look at different alternative ways 1552 01:18:47,757 --> 01:18:50,958 to clean up the Santa Susana Field Laboratory. 1553 01:18:51,026 --> 01:18:52,693 They're wrong. 1554 01:18:52,761 --> 01:18:54,095 California has been clear over the years 1555 01:18:54,163 --> 01:18:55,996 that the level that the site has to be cleaned up 1556 01:18:56,065 --> 01:18:57,398 to is to background. 1557 01:18:57,466 --> 01:18:59,833 If there is contamination, it gets cleaned up. 1558 01:18:59,902 --> 01:19:02,769 We clearly signed an agreement for full cleanup. 1559 01:19:02,839 --> 01:19:07,241 And they have proposed in these two meetings to break those 1560 01:19:07,243 --> 01:19:09,510 and walk away from the contamination. 1561 01:19:09,512 --> 01:19:11,678 If they found contamination on the surface, 1562 01:19:11,747 --> 01:19:13,046 they're saying we're going to have to dig all 1563 01:19:13,115 --> 01:19:14,516 20 feet down to bedrock 1564 01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:16,450 and that's going to moonscape the property. 1565 01:19:16,452 --> 01:19:19,988 You don't have to dig 20 feet down to remove contamination 1566 01:19:20,055 --> 01:19:21,522 that's on the surface. 1567 01:19:21,524 --> 01:19:23,991 They're doing that to try to scare people about trucks 1568 01:19:24,060 --> 01:19:25,993 and moonscaping and all of that stuff. 1569 01:19:26,062 --> 01:19:27,461 What NASA and Department of Energy 1570 01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:29,530 have been doing in the last few years 1571 01:19:29,532 --> 01:19:31,532 is looking at different levels of cleanup 1572 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:32,934 rather than different ways 1573 01:19:33,002 --> 01:19:36,470 of reaching the standards that California has set. 1574 01:19:36,472 --> 01:19:38,706 Their stated thing is, oh, we did more work, 1575 01:19:38,708 --> 01:19:40,741 we found more contamination 1576 01:19:40,810 --> 01:19:43,711 that would result in even more damage. 1577 01:19:43,713 --> 01:19:45,780 So we want to do the recreational cleanup. 1578 01:19:51,988 --> 01:19:54,923 It's not okay to just clean it up a little bit, 1579 01:19:54,990 --> 01:19:57,225 it's kind of like you can't be just a little bit pregnant. 1580 01:19:57,293 --> 01:19:59,760 Either you're radioactive or you're not. 1581 01:19:59,829 --> 01:20:02,296 NASA's says that it will take 25 years 1582 01:20:02,365 --> 01:20:05,632 to remove this soil that needs to be removed in order to comply 1583 01:20:05,701 --> 01:20:08,302 with the administrative order on consent. 1584 01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:23,717 For the Department of Energy and NASA 1585 01:20:23,786 --> 01:20:28,255 to be successful in walking away from Santa Susana Field Lab, 1586 01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:31,392 All that has to happen is that nobody stands in their way. 1587 01:20:31,460 --> 01:20:34,128 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1588 01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:36,064 In order to make informed public commentary, 1589 01:20:36,131 --> 01:20:37,464 we need to have some visuals. 1590 01:20:37,533 --> 01:20:38,799 When you go to a public place 1591 01:20:38,868 --> 01:20:41,035 and everybody else has their exhibits set up to come in 1592 01:20:41,103 --> 01:20:42,369 and set up another one. 1593 01:20:42,438 --> 01:20:43,537 I'm on the board of supervisors 1594 01:20:43,606 --> 01:20:45,240 and what we do during public comments 1595 01:20:45,307 --> 01:20:47,709 is we give an opportunity a platform. 1596 01:20:47,776 --> 01:20:51,745 If they have a PowerPoint so they can show these power -- They have an opportunity. 1597 01:20:51,747 --> 01:20:53,080 In public hearings, 1598 01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:56,083 when they were done the way they used to do them, 1599 01:20:56,151 --> 01:20:57,951 we would stand in front of the microphone 1600 01:20:58,020 --> 01:21:00,287 and people before the responsible party, 1601 01:21:00,356 --> 01:21:03,891 before their community members speak for two minutes, 1602 01:21:03,959 --> 01:21:06,693 and give their input on the proposal before them. 1603 01:21:06,762 --> 01:21:09,496 And NASA just destroyed all of that. 1604 01:21:09,498 --> 01:21:12,366 This whole thing was set up intentionally to prevent people 1605 01:21:12,435 --> 01:21:14,234 from making informed public comment. 1606 01:21:14,303 --> 01:21:17,504 No presentation only posters with NASA's propaganda spin. 1607 01:21:17,506 --> 01:21:19,306 The community needs to hear the truth, and we're the only 1608 01:21:19,375 --> 01:21:20,440 ones who can do it. I understand that but -- 1609 01:21:20,509 --> 01:21:21,775 But we do it as part of our public comment. 1610 01:21:21,777 --> 01:21:23,110 Great, but they put the public thing on 1611 01:21:23,112 --> 01:21:24,112 for their display and everything. 1612 01:21:24,179 --> 01:21:26,046 So all the things that they set up here -- 1613 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:27,648 This is math that they're not going to show people. 1614 01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:30,317 What they feel is it's going to take away from -- 1615 01:21:30,386 --> 01:21:32,387 It's a public... [ speaks indistinctly ] 1616 01:21:32,454 --> 01:21:36,357 Everybody, NASA is preventing public comment on their EIS 1617 01:21:36,425 --> 01:21:38,558 that breaks their clean up commitments. 1618 01:21:38,627 --> 01:21:40,461 If people want to be able to show you 1619 01:21:40,463 --> 01:21:42,863 how they're violating the law 1620 01:21:42,931 --> 01:21:45,866 and NASA's physically blocking you from seeing it. 1621 01:21:45,935 --> 01:21:47,534 [ Speaks indistinctly ] 1622 01:21:47,604 --> 01:21:48,869 Woman: Free speech! 1623 01:21:48,871 --> 01:21:51,605 -Free speech! -Free speech! 1624 01:21:51,674 --> 01:21:53,540 Free speech! 1625 01:21:53,609 --> 01:21:55,976 This is live right now, you guys, this is crazy. 1626 01:21:56,045 --> 01:21:59,680 They set this up in this -- in this kind of a situation 1627 01:21:59,748 --> 01:22:00,982 where we don't have a microphone 1628 01:22:01,049 --> 01:22:03,817 like we normally do to say our problems. 1629 01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:06,820 And as the "L.A. Times" reported... The court reporter, 1630 01:22:06,888 --> 01:22:09,557 is at a little table in the corner 1631 01:22:09,625 --> 01:22:13,293 that's not marked trying to limit public participation, 1632 01:22:13,295 --> 01:22:14,895 prevent the media from knowing 1633 01:22:14,897 --> 01:22:16,630 how much we didn't like the proposal 1634 01:22:16,632 --> 01:22:18,965 and prevent elected officials from knowing that, too. 1635 01:22:19,035 --> 01:22:23,104 There's a protocol for how the public hearings are handled, 1636 01:22:23,172 --> 01:22:25,005 and that's not it. 1637 01:22:25,007 --> 01:22:27,374 The only -- the only option we have right now 1638 01:22:27,443 --> 01:22:29,710 is to try to read our comments loudly and that's -- 1639 01:22:29,712 --> 01:22:31,111 that's just absurd. 1640 01:22:31,180 --> 01:22:34,981 Man: The majority of its contamination not cleaned up. 1641 01:22:35,051 --> 01:22:38,018 This is illegal and a direct threat to public health 1642 01:22:38,020 --> 01:22:39,587 and the environment. 1643 01:22:41,824 --> 01:22:45,426 NASA's search is preparing the supplemental EIF... 1644 01:22:51,067 --> 01:22:52,200 You should be able to give 1645 01:22:52,267 --> 01:22:54,801 three minutes and then you can do what you want. 1646 01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:58,339 Woman: Free speech! 1647 01:22:58,407 --> 01:23:00,341 Trespassing? 1648 01:23:00,409 --> 01:23:02,843 This is a public meeting. 1649 01:23:02,912 --> 01:23:06,481 [ Cheering ] 1650 01:23:06,548 --> 01:23:08,949 [ Chanting ] Free speech, free speech, free speech, 1651 01:23:09,018 --> 01:23:14,288 free speech, free speech! 1652 01:23:33,008 --> 01:23:34,141 In 50 years of this kind of work, 1653 01:23:34,209 --> 01:23:36,944 I have never experienced such a thing. 1654 01:23:36,946 --> 01:23:40,847 What NASA knows that what its proposing to do is indefensible. 1655 01:23:40,916 --> 01:23:43,917 And they took every measure that they could to prevent the public 1656 01:23:43,919 --> 01:23:44,985 from hearing about it. 1657 01:23:45,053 --> 01:23:48,790 For the responsible parties, 1658 01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:50,891 this is a game. 1659 01:23:50,959 --> 01:23:54,594 NASA and Boeing continue to put forth a storyline 1660 01:23:54,663 --> 01:23:56,797 that their recommendations, 1661 01:23:56,799 --> 01:24:00,734 their offerings of cleanup are adequate. 1662 01:24:00,803 --> 01:24:03,338 And we know, as we've alluded to, 1663 01:24:03,405 --> 01:24:07,342 that so many of the agents there is absolutely no safe level. 1664 01:24:07,409 --> 01:24:09,409 Again, if there's no safe level 1665 01:24:09,478 --> 01:24:12,813 and you far exceed those levels on site and again, 1666 01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:16,083 and we know that those contaminants migrate off site 1667 01:24:16,151 --> 01:24:18,485 under the appropriate environmental conditions, 1668 01:24:18,487 --> 01:24:21,822 there's no way that can protect the community around. 1669 01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:24,959 ¶¶ 1670 01:24:59,194 --> 01:25:00,794 An emenuclear reservationlared at the Hanford 1671 01:25:00,863 --> 01:25:02,729 in southeastern Washington state. 1672 01:25:02,798 --> 01:25:05,065 An emergency response at the Savannah River site. 1673 01:25:05,133 --> 01:25:06,933 Potential exposure to people living 1674 01:25:06,935 --> 01:25:09,537 near Coldwater Creek in North St. Louis County. 1675 01:25:09,604 --> 01:25:12,138 Enriched uranium was detected 1676 01:25:12,207 --> 01:25:14,708 inside Zahn's Corner Middle School. 1677 01:25:14,710 --> 01:25:15,943 Botched cleanup at San Francisco's 1678 01:25:16,011 --> 01:25:18,278 Hunter's Point has residents taking matters 1679 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:19,546 into their own hands. 1680 01:25:19,615 --> 01:25:21,949 There are calls tonight for a new investigation 1681 01:25:22,017 --> 01:25:25,386 into another possible cancer cluster in central Indiana. 1682 01:25:25,454 --> 01:25:28,755 Just sit and think that over and over again, 1683 01:25:28,824 --> 01:25:30,590 this was brought to you and over and over again 1684 01:25:30,659 --> 01:25:34,294 and we said our kids are sick. 1685 01:25:34,363 --> 01:25:36,296 Something that felt like a very isolated problem 1686 01:25:36,365 --> 01:25:38,366 in my community, 1687 01:25:38,433 --> 01:25:39,766 it's a little bit terrifying to realize 1688 01:25:39,768 --> 01:25:41,835 this is happening all over the country. 1689 01:25:41,904 --> 01:25:45,972 We sat in a room and listened to people from other areas 1690 01:25:46,041 --> 01:25:50,477 with the exact same issues the poorly or unlined pits, 1691 01:25:50,546 --> 01:25:53,714 massive dumping, open air tests. 1692 01:25:53,782 --> 01:25:55,649 I was completely chilled to my core 1693 01:25:55,651 --> 01:25:59,052 because I realized this isn't an accident 1694 01:25:59,121 --> 01:26:00,788 nor is it a mistake. 1695 01:26:00,856 --> 01:26:04,859 There are many Santas Susana's all across this country 1696 01:26:04,927 --> 01:26:08,162 that remain highly contaminated and threatening communities 1697 01:26:08,230 --> 01:26:09,829 and has not been cleaned up. 1698 01:26:09,898 --> 01:26:11,866 It's all across America. 1699 01:26:11,934 --> 01:26:15,470 It's the same players, different humans, 1700 01:26:15,537 --> 01:26:18,272 but the same agencies, the same attitudes. 1701 01:26:18,341 --> 01:26:19,539 But let's face it, 1702 01:26:19,541 --> 01:26:21,141 this community has been traumatized enough. 1703 01:26:21,210 --> 01:26:22,876 That wasn't for this group of moms 1704 01:26:22,945 --> 01:26:26,146 that made this Facebook page, I would've not known. 1705 01:26:26,215 --> 01:26:29,015 There's an endemic problem with the whole system. 1706 01:26:29,084 --> 01:26:31,017 You can have wonderful environmental laws 1707 01:26:31,019 --> 01:26:32,886 and we have really powerful ones, 1708 01:26:32,955 --> 01:26:34,755 but if they're not enforced, they're useless. 1709 01:26:34,757 --> 01:26:37,191 And that has happened at dozens and dozens 1710 01:26:37,260 --> 01:26:39,393 of toxic sites in the state of California 1711 01:26:39,461 --> 01:26:42,196 and probably is emblematic of what goes on, 1712 01:26:42,264 --> 01:26:44,965 unfortunately, all over the country. 1713 01:26:59,047 --> 01:27:00,715 Woman: The Committee on Oversight 1714 01:27:00,782 --> 01:27:03,316 and Investigations would now come to order. 1715 01:27:03,318 --> 01:27:05,852 I would now like to introduce the honorable Anne White, 1716 01:27:05,854 --> 01:27:07,254 who is the Assistant Secretary, 1717 01:27:07,323 --> 01:27:09,189 Office of Environmental Management, 1718 01:27:09,191 --> 01:27:10,924 Department of Energy. 1719 01:27:10,993 --> 01:27:13,661 Madam Chair, the government's nuclear defense programs 1720 01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:16,396 played an integral role in ending World War II 1721 01:27:16,465 --> 01:27:17,931 and the Cold War. 1722 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,901 Our nation was unified in its effort to end those wars. 1723 01:27:21,970 --> 01:27:25,605 That kind of resolve and unity of purpose is needed today 1724 01:27:25,607 --> 01:27:28,341 as we address the resulting environmental legacy. 1725 01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:30,745 We remain committed to completing cleanup 1726 01:27:30,812 --> 01:27:34,881 so that our host communities can envision a vibrant future. 1727 01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:37,018 We can continue to live in the past, 1728 01:27:37,085 --> 01:27:39,753 or we can choose to understand the past, 1729 01:27:39,821 --> 01:27:42,089 make course corrections, and move forward 1730 01:27:42,157 --> 01:27:44,091 with collaborative solutions. 1731 01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:45,693 It's time to choose the latter. 1732 01:27:45,761 --> 01:27:48,295 You know, I've been on this committee a long time. 1733 01:27:48,363 --> 01:27:50,831 We've seen DOE make these promises before 1734 01:27:50,833 --> 01:27:52,832 with regards to clean up operations. 1735 01:27:52,901 --> 01:27:54,635 What exactly does it mean 1736 01:27:54,703 --> 01:27:57,771 that DOE's Environmental Management Office 1737 01:27:57,839 --> 01:28:01,309 does not follow ED management practice. 1738 01:28:01,376 --> 01:28:04,577 Anybody that's been on this job site should be fired. 1739 01:28:04,646 --> 01:28:05,979 They're not doing their job right. 1740 01:28:06,048 --> 01:28:08,315 Where does Hanford sit? It sits on the Columbia River. 1741 01:28:08,317 --> 01:28:09,983 Where does Savannah River site sit? 1742 01:28:10,052 --> 01:28:11,518 It sits on the Savannah River. 1743 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,988 These are areas that are environmentally sensitive. 1744 01:28:15,057 --> 01:28:17,123 Look, I'm not a nuclear engineer, 1745 01:28:17,192 --> 01:28:19,192 but I'm a mom and a citizen, 1746 01:28:19,261 --> 01:28:22,395 and I can tell you that leaving it out there longer 1747 01:28:22,464 --> 01:28:27,267 waiting for some type of accident is not making 1748 01:28:27,269 --> 01:28:29,335 our constituents across this country safer. 1749 01:28:29,405 --> 01:28:31,339 We need to do better in the program 1750 01:28:31,406 --> 01:28:35,742 and project management, and I think we can do better. 1751 01:28:35,811 --> 01:28:40,147 I do not believe government has done enough to try 1752 01:28:40,215 --> 01:28:43,884 and build that bridge of trust. 1753 01:28:43,952 --> 01:28:46,553 My name is Anne White and my position 1754 01:28:46,622 --> 01:28:48,621 was assistant secretary of Energy 1755 01:28:48,690 --> 01:28:50,558 for Environmental Management 1756 01:28:50,625 --> 01:28:53,293 referred to as EM1. 1757 01:28:53,361 --> 01:29:01,901 ¶¶ 1758 01:29:01,970 --> 01:29:04,070 Obviously, when you've got portions of the public 1759 01:29:04,072 --> 01:29:07,107 all over the country who are unhappy with what you're doing, 1760 01:29:07,175 --> 01:29:09,109 you're probably not doing enough, 1761 01:29:09,177 --> 01:29:12,645 especially for a site like Santa Susana, small site. 1762 01:29:12,714 --> 01:29:18,251 It doesn't even usually come to the radar of an EM1. 1763 01:29:18,253 --> 01:29:19,652 It's tough. 1764 01:29:19,721 --> 01:29:22,723 Those kind of big bureaucracies are very challenging. 1765 01:29:22,791 --> 01:29:27,261 It kind of just felt sometimes like a culture of... 1766 01:29:27,329 --> 01:29:28,596 ...molasses. 1767 01:29:28,663 --> 01:29:31,197 Since 2011, EM has spent over 45 billion 1768 01:29:31,266 --> 01:29:33,466 to try to address the cleanup responsibilities. 1769 01:29:33,535 --> 01:29:36,269 And yet, we seem no closer to cleaning up these sites 1770 01:29:36,271 --> 01:29:38,338 or reducing the department's environmental liabilities. 1771 01:29:38,407 --> 01:29:42,409 EM cleanup right now is the third biggest liability 1772 01:29:42,411 --> 01:29:44,010 to the US taxpayers. 1773 01:29:44,012 --> 01:29:47,413 We throw $7 billion a year into that pot, 1774 01:29:47,483 --> 01:29:49,349 and the liabilities don't go down. 1775 01:29:49,417 --> 01:29:52,086 Did the taxpayer get good value for the $6 billion EM 1776 01:29:52,154 --> 01:29:55,088 roughly spent last fiscal year on nuclear waste? 1777 01:29:55,157 --> 01:29:59,759 I believe that the taxpayer got good value for their money. 1778 01:29:59,828 --> 01:30:01,295 -Okay. -We can do better, though. 1779 01:30:01,363 --> 01:30:05,098 So many of these sites are in places 1780 01:30:05,167 --> 01:30:08,969 where they are the only game in town in terms of employment. 1781 01:30:08,971 --> 01:30:12,907 If the cleanup gets completed, the jobs go away. 1782 01:30:12,974 --> 01:30:17,243 And so to some degree, EM become a jobs program. 1783 01:30:17,245 --> 01:30:20,180 Cleanup of these sites is critically important. 1784 01:30:20,182 --> 01:30:23,650 We need to have it happen and we can't be sitting here 1785 01:30:23,718 --> 01:30:26,654 again in five, 10 or 20 years hoping that it will. 1786 01:30:26,721 --> 01:30:28,389 The actions EM needs to take 1787 01:30:28,457 --> 01:30:30,457 involve significant cultural change 1788 01:30:30,459 --> 01:30:33,861 at DOE headquarters, the sites, and the contractors. 1789 01:30:33,929 --> 01:30:37,730 When it involves kids and moms and all of these things, 1790 01:30:37,799 --> 01:30:43,337 maybe they've been heard, but not listened to. 1791 01:30:43,405 --> 01:30:45,104 And there's there's a difference, 1792 01:30:45,173 --> 01:30:48,943 I suppose, there's a big difference. 1793 01:30:49,010 --> 01:30:51,144 And at Santa Susana right now, 1794 01:30:51,146 --> 01:30:55,015 honestly, the conversation well could be so poisoned 1795 01:30:55,017 --> 01:30:57,951 that there -- there is no reverse gear 1796 01:30:57,953 --> 01:30:59,819 in terms of building that trust. 1797 01:30:59,888 --> 01:31:02,156 You just may never come to common ground. 1798 01:31:02,224 --> 01:31:04,891 And that's a pity, 1799 01:31:04,893 --> 01:31:08,762 but that's maybe the nature of the beast there. Unfortunately. 1800 01:31:18,306 --> 01:31:20,307 I'm sure I didn't have enough energy for it, I think. [ Knock on door ] 1801 01:31:20,375 --> 01:31:22,842 I don't think we did it last year. 1802 01:31:22,911 --> 01:31:24,310 Although, I don't know if daddy will want me 1803 01:31:24,312 --> 01:31:25,578 to do it this year. 1804 01:31:25,647 --> 01:31:28,515 Child: Yeah... [ speaks indistinctly ] 1805 01:31:28,583 --> 01:31:32,186 Poster or something instead. 1806 01:31:32,254 --> 01:31:33,453 You need to push down your cuticle 1807 01:31:33,455 --> 01:31:35,189 and I'll come back to that one. 1808 01:31:39,461 --> 01:31:41,594 -It's pretty. -It is pretty. 1809 01:31:41,663 --> 01:31:43,263 Like how glittery it is. 1810 01:31:43,331 --> 01:31:48,469 ¶¶ 1811 01:31:48,537 --> 01:31:49,804 I feel -- I feel more hopeful, 1812 01:31:49,871 --> 01:31:52,472 even though right now things are looking 1813 01:31:52,541 --> 01:31:56,676 pretty glum again for the cleanup right now. 1814 01:31:56,678 --> 01:32:00,280 I'm more at peace with the thought 1815 01:32:00,282 --> 01:32:03,950 that this could be the rest of my life. 1816 01:32:04,019 --> 01:32:07,754 Before that, that thought was just too frightening. 1817 01:32:07,756 --> 01:32:10,423 ¶¶ 1818 01:32:10,425 --> 01:32:12,692 I feel like whether or not it's the Santa Susana Field Lab 1819 01:32:12,761 --> 01:32:15,561 or maybe helping other sites. 1820 01:32:15,631 --> 01:32:17,897 If this were to be the rest of my life, 1821 01:32:17,899 --> 01:32:22,235 I would -- I wouldn't fight it. 1822 01:32:22,304 --> 01:32:25,405 I had my own plans for my life, I wanted to -- 1823 01:32:25,474 --> 01:32:27,173 I wanted to illustrate kids' books 1824 01:32:27,242 --> 01:32:29,143 and I wanted to be an author and I wanted to garden 1825 01:32:29,210 --> 01:32:33,646 and, you know, I had a really simple life planned out 1826 01:32:33,715 --> 01:32:35,449 and it sounded just fantastic. 1827 01:32:35,517 --> 01:32:39,252 And the thought of not getting to have time 1828 01:32:39,321 --> 01:32:43,657 to excel at any of those things was really hard. 1829 01:32:43,659 --> 01:32:45,191 As I was praying about it, I felt like God said, 1830 01:32:45,260 --> 01:32:47,061 I'm allowed to have a hobby. 1831 01:32:47,128 --> 01:32:50,430 ¶¶ 1832 01:32:50,432 --> 01:32:52,632 I was like, all right, I can take my dreams 1833 01:32:52,701 --> 01:32:54,834 and let them be a hobby 1834 01:32:54,903 --> 01:32:59,740 and doing this is more important than anything I had planned. 1835 01:32:59,808 --> 01:33:01,207 I definitely feel like this 1836 01:33:01,209 --> 01:33:04,545 is where I'm supposed to be in my life right now. 1837 01:33:04,613 --> 01:33:08,281 ¶¶ 1838 01:33:08,350 --> 01:33:10,951 It took Gracie a lot of -- a lot of hard work and time 1839 01:33:11,019 --> 01:33:13,687 to really kind of be a regular kid again. 1840 01:33:13,689 --> 01:33:16,089 ¶¶ 1841 01:33:16,091 --> 01:33:19,225 She's not the kind of kid to just lay down and take it. 1842 01:33:19,294 --> 01:33:22,629 She's really strong. 1843 01:33:22,697 --> 01:33:24,898 But the health effects 1844 01:33:24,966 --> 01:33:28,601 will follow her all the rest of her life. 1845 01:33:28,670 --> 01:33:30,637 I have had some people accuse me 1846 01:33:30,639 --> 01:33:34,540 of using Grace's story. 1847 01:33:34,609 --> 01:33:38,678 To some degree, that's really true. 1848 01:33:38,747 --> 01:33:40,580 If I could have brought people's hearts along 1849 01:33:40,649 --> 01:33:45,051 without having to show Gracie's story, I wouldn't have. 1850 01:33:45,053 --> 01:33:46,720 But if it helps other families 1851 01:33:46,788 --> 01:33:49,523 not have to go through the same thing, 1852 01:33:49,591 --> 01:33:52,593 you know, and then I-I don't regret it. 1853 01:33:52,661 --> 01:33:53,928 I don't think Grace would regret it. 1854 01:33:53,995 --> 01:33:56,463 I think she understands that, 1855 01:33:56,531 --> 01:33:59,065 you know, before we're willing to do anything to protect other 1856 01:33:59,134 --> 01:34:01,067 kids from what she's gone through. 1857 01:34:01,136 --> 01:34:04,404 ¶¶ 1858 01:34:39,307 --> 01:34:41,308 Fixing her name and like... 1859 01:34:44,245 --> 01:34:49,116 Her birthday and stuff, it's just so final. 1860 01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:53,486 Sorry. 1861 01:35:03,131 --> 01:35:06,566 ¶¶ 1862 01:35:14,609 --> 01:35:17,009 The Santa Susana Field Lab 1863 01:35:17,078 --> 01:35:20,948 is I wouldn't say it's always in the front of my mind, 1864 01:35:21,015 --> 01:35:25,618 but it is consistently in the back of my mind. 1865 01:35:25,687 --> 01:35:28,855 In the back of my mind, when I give my kids water 1866 01:35:28,924 --> 01:35:31,958 or give them a bath, in the back of my mind 1867 01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,028 when I see a new kid diagnosed, 1868 01:35:34,095 --> 01:35:35,195 in the back of my mind, 1869 01:35:35,263 --> 01:35:39,767 when I see another kid who's passed away. 1870 01:35:39,834 --> 01:35:44,504 It's a hard one, I know I can't put all of my energy there. 1871 01:35:44,572 --> 01:35:47,707 I'm still working my way back to being fully present 1872 01:35:47,775 --> 01:35:52,111 with everybody, and my kids need their mom. 1873 01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:54,781 ¶¶ 1874 01:35:54,783 --> 01:35:57,717 I've been slowly putting pieces back together 1875 01:35:57,786 --> 01:36:00,587 and I'm not as lost. 1876 01:36:00,655 --> 01:36:02,922 I'm still lost, but not as lost 1877 01:36:02,924 --> 01:36:07,393 if that makes sense. 1878 01:36:07,462 --> 01:36:11,265 For me, I know I can never give up trying to fight. 1879 01:36:11,332 --> 01:36:14,000 But I also know that I... 1880 01:36:14,002 --> 01:36:17,670 I have to use this brain sparingly because it's focused 1881 01:36:17,739 --> 01:36:19,807 on so many different things right now. 1882 01:36:19,874 --> 01:36:22,141 I'm trying to heal, I'm trying to process, 1883 01:36:22,210 --> 01:36:25,278 trying to grieve, trying to be a mom. 1884 01:36:25,347 --> 01:36:27,514 ¶¶ 1885 01:36:27,582 --> 01:36:28,849 But it's always there. 1886 01:36:28,916 --> 01:36:30,750 It's always this lingering question in my mind, 1887 01:36:30,818 --> 01:36:34,487 it's always this idea that is there 1888 01:36:34,556 --> 01:36:37,357 and it can't be quieted until 1889 01:36:37,359 --> 01:36:39,158 it's cleaned up, I think. 1890 01:36:39,227 --> 01:36:42,429 ¶¶ 1891 01:36:51,506 --> 01:36:55,175 I hope that there's an end to this story. 1892 01:36:55,243 --> 01:36:58,077 Given what's happening in our country, 1893 01:36:58,079 --> 01:37:03,217 I worry about all of our efforts to protect public health. 1894 01:37:03,284 --> 01:37:06,853 I worry that focusing on Santa Susana 1895 01:37:06,921 --> 01:37:09,322 will seem like a luxury, 1896 01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:11,558 that it will seem like days have passed 1897 01:37:11,626 --> 01:37:14,727 when you actually could fight a fight and you might just win 1898 01:37:14,729 --> 01:37:16,829 and you could get a cleanup agreement 1899 01:37:16,898 --> 01:37:18,664 and you could do community organizing 1900 01:37:18,733 --> 01:37:21,200 and you could speak freely. 1901 01:37:21,269 --> 01:37:25,938 We are in a world of distraction and of self-centeredness, 1902 01:37:26,007 --> 01:37:28,875 but we don't sense any connection to others 1903 01:37:28,877 --> 01:37:30,209 and particularly to 1904 01:37:30,278 --> 01:37:33,080 those who suffer and if we don't connect to the damage 1905 01:37:33,147 --> 01:37:35,147 we do to the planet, 1906 01:37:35,216 --> 01:37:37,617 the everyday people who are affected by 1907 01:37:37,685 --> 01:37:40,953 polluters are just being walked all over. 1908 01:37:41,022 --> 01:37:45,225 The damage that is done over the last century, 1909 01:37:45,293 --> 01:37:47,093 we simply have to keep fighting. 1910 01:37:47,162 --> 01:37:49,695 I've been a reporter for 38 years. 1911 01:37:49,764 --> 01:37:52,231 I've seen just about everything. 1912 01:37:52,233 --> 01:37:56,702 I'm still surprised that there were government officials 1913 01:37:56,771 --> 01:37:58,504 who looked me in the eye and said, 1914 01:37:58,506 --> 01:38:00,239 "Santa Susana's not a problem." 1915 01:38:00,241 --> 01:38:03,309 Even when there were so many government documents 1916 01:38:03,311 --> 01:38:04,611 that said otherwise. 1917 01:38:04,679 --> 01:38:09,315 I mean, I think the public is not so easily fooled. 1918 01:38:09,317 --> 01:38:12,853 They know there's something here. 1919 01:38:12,921 --> 01:38:16,455 The truth always comes out in the end. 1920 01:38:16,524 --> 01:38:19,459 I think it takes an enormous amount of courage. 1921 01:38:19,461 --> 01:38:20,993 And a hell of a lot of work 1922 01:38:21,062 --> 01:38:24,731 to see that there is accountability 1923 01:38:24,799 --> 01:38:27,467 and that something is done. 1924 01:38:27,469 --> 01:38:28,836 It's up to the mothers. 1925 01:38:28,903 --> 01:38:32,805 And others who have the courage, have the time to make damn sure 1926 01:38:32,807 --> 01:38:35,541 that something happens if there's change. 1927 01:38:35,610 --> 01:38:37,777 It may be the only way. 1928 01:38:37,846 --> 01:38:39,045 Who's going to be the next child, 1929 01:38:39,113 --> 01:38:40,947 who's going to be the next person in your community. 1930 01:38:40,949 --> 01:38:43,883 You don't ever give up on something like this 1931 01:38:43,951 --> 01:38:46,152 because it's the right thing to do. 1932 01:38:46,154 --> 01:38:49,556 Where the people lead, the leaders will follow. 1933 01:38:49,624 --> 01:38:52,626 Woman: Being in a low right now doesn't feel like defeat, 1934 01:38:52,694 --> 01:38:56,463 it just feels like part of the journey. 1935 01:38:56,531 --> 01:38:57,930 And the thing that's heartbreaking 1936 01:38:57,932 --> 01:39:02,236 is that it's just going to continue. 1937 01:39:02,303 --> 01:39:03,704 But it's the kids who have to suffer, 1938 01:39:03,771 --> 01:39:06,673 and it's the parents who have to bury them 1939 01:39:06,741 --> 01:39:09,709 that have to bear that for the rest of our lives. 1940 01:39:09,777 --> 01:39:13,647 ¶¶ 1941 01:39:16,050 --> 01:39:20,453 Oh, I'm not going to stop so we'll just have to 1942 01:39:20,455 --> 01:39:23,590 find out who has more endurance me or them, maybe. 1943 01:39:23,658 --> 01:39:27,260 ¶¶ 145961

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