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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,598 --> 00:00:22,598 Provided by explosiveskull https://twitter.com/kaboomskull 2 00:00:23,465 --> 00:00:25,534 All right. So... 3 00:00:27,236 --> 00:00:28,570 Can you see me? 4 00:00:28,871 --> 00:00:30,705 Hey! Yeah, there you are. Hey, Paul. 5 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,709 Hey! So I'm just now starting the audio recorder. 6 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:40,315 All right, so that's set up. 7 00:00:41,083 --> 00:00:44,619 And I'm starting the video recorder. 8 00:00:51,961 --> 00:00:54,529 And I'm just making sure that it's recording. 9 00:00:55,031 --> 00:00:59,202 Okay. So... Hello! 10 00:00:59,701 --> 00:01:00,937 One of the things that 11 00:01:01,237 --> 00:01:03,738 you wrote about was sort of your first primitive idea 12 00:01:03,873 --> 00:01:06,575 - of simulation theory as a kid. - Yeah. 13 00:01:06,776 --> 00:01:08,443 Yeah, can you describe what that was like? 14 00:01:08,778 --> 00:01:11,013 Can I do one thing before that? 15 00:01:11,147 --> 00:01:12,315 Yeah. 16 00:01:12,647 --> 00:01:14,449 'Cause this is gonna set the tenor for everything. 17 00:01:14,716 --> 00:01:15,885 Please. 18 00:01:16,351 --> 00:01:19,121 Okay. I was in a class when I was in college, 19 00:01:19,255 --> 00:01:21,090 I went to the University of Missouri, Columbia. 20 00:01:21,224 --> 00:01:22,624 This was in the early '90s. 21 00:01:23,192 --> 00:01:25,161 And a teacher was in front of the class 22 00:01:25,294 --> 00:01:26,295 and the teacher said, 23 00:01:27,029 --> 00:01:29,364 "Something interesting about the brain 24 00:01:29,932 --> 00:01:33,202 is that we actually can map what we think 25 00:01:33,336 --> 00:01:34,837 about the human nervous system 26 00:01:34,971 --> 00:01:38,241 by the highest level of technology of the day." 27 00:01:38,841 --> 00:01:41,576 So for example, when the aqueducts were big, 28 00:01:41,878 --> 00:01:43,980 people thought that humors controlled the body. 29 00:01:44,113 --> 00:01:47,216 That different liquids would come in and teach you... 30 00:01:47,749 --> 00:01:49,651 or make you feel a different way. 31 00:01:49,952 --> 00:01:52,121 And then whenever the telegraph came, 32 00:01:52,288 --> 00:01:53,655 then all of a sudden we thought, 33 00:01:53,789 --> 00:01:55,057 "Well, these are nerve impulses 34 00:01:55,191 --> 00:01:56,859 that go down sort of like wires." 35 00:01:57,459 --> 00:02:00,830 And then she said, "Now we know that the brain is a computer." 36 00:02:01,596 --> 00:02:03,165 And I raised my hand, I said, 37 00:02:03,299 --> 00:02:05,134 "Because that's our highest level of technology." 38 00:02:05,268 --> 00:02:08,237 And she said, "No, the brain is a computer." 39 00:02:08,503 --> 00:02:12,507 And I didn't do that well in the class, but the thing is, 40 00:02:12,641 --> 00:02:14,911 so when we talk about simulation theory... 41 00:02:16,279 --> 00:02:18,381 we, right now, are living in a time where, 42 00:02:18,513 --> 00:02:21,183 you know, you have the PS4, PSVR, 43 00:02:21,317 --> 00:02:22,550 you know, 44 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:24,419 I'm a Sony brand whore, so I apologize 45 00:02:24,552 --> 00:02:26,155 for not throwing out other things. 46 00:02:26,956 --> 00:02:29,058 But the basic, you know, 47 00:02:29,225 --> 00:02:31,827 virtual reality level of simulation 48 00:02:32,194 --> 00:02:35,264 is something that we can use as a model. 49 00:02:35,898 --> 00:02:39,268 But it isn't necessarily what is going on, 50 00:02:39,402 --> 00:02:40,568 and I think that's important. 51 00:02:40,803 --> 00:02:43,672 That we can use it and we can understand 52 00:02:43,806 --> 00:02:44,974 that's what's going on, 53 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,344 but we aren't necessarily in a server room somewhere. 54 00:02:48,476 --> 00:02:49,845 It might be something different. 55 00:02:49,979 --> 00:02:52,882 You know, if you run into a thing in the world 56 00:02:53,015 --> 00:02:55,217 that you don't understand, your brain is gonna go, 57 00:02:55,717 --> 00:02:57,552 "Okay, maybe this is what this is." 58 00:02:58,054 --> 00:03:00,622 And as technology gets more advanced 59 00:03:00,923 --> 00:03:02,524 we'll have better ways of describing it. 60 00:03:02,757 --> 00:03:04,492 So, everything that I describe here 61 00:03:05,227 --> 00:03:08,864 keep in mind, you know, I'm a 21st Century guy, 62 00:03:08,998 --> 00:03:10,498 that's how my brain works. 63 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:13,336 If you're watching this in the future, we aren't dumb, 64 00:03:13,468 --> 00:03:15,637 it's just that we don't have the tools that you have 65 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:16,939 to think of this stuff. 66 00:03:28,918 --> 00:03:31,153 In September of 1977, 67 00:03:31,287 --> 00:03:34,723 the writer Philip K. Dick, creator of Minority Report, 68 00:03:34,857 --> 00:03:36,725 Blade Runner, and Total Recall, 69 00:03:36,959 --> 00:03:39,494 addressed an audience of fans in Metz, France. 70 00:03:39,962 --> 00:03:42,465 They expected a talk about science fiction but his 71 00:03:42,597 --> 00:03:45,835 lecture explored religion and philosophy as well. 72 00:03:46,268 --> 00:03:49,805 To him, all three subjects were deeply interconnected. 73 00:03:57,679 --> 00:03:59,647 The title of my address is... 74 00:04:00,449 --> 00:04:02,251 "If you find this world bad, 75 00:04:02,617 --> 00:04:04,153 you should see some of the others." 76 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:09,758 The subject of this speech... 77 00:04:13,029 --> 00:04:17,867 is a topic which has been discovered recently, 78 00:04:18,767 --> 00:04:20,568 and which may not exist at all. 79 00:04:20,702 --> 00:04:22,238 I may be talking about something 80 00:04:22,371 --> 00:04:23,372 that does not exist. 81 00:04:23,973 --> 00:04:26,809 Therefore, I am free to say everything or nothing. 82 00:04:32,547 --> 00:04:36,584 We are living in a computer programmed reality 83 00:04:36,786 --> 00:04:39,155 and the only clue we have to it 84 00:04:39,288 --> 00:04:41,756 is when some variable is changed. 85 00:04:42,324 --> 00:04:46,262 and some alteration in our reality occurs. 86 00:04:50,232 --> 00:04:51,801 Philip K. Dick's belief 87 00:04:51,934 --> 00:04:53,536 that we were living in a digitally created, 88 00:04:53,668 --> 00:04:57,705 artificial world sounded like madness in 1977. 89 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,676 But then in 1999, The Matrix introduced 90 00:05:01,811 --> 00:05:04,280 simulation theory to the wider world. 91 00:05:10,453 --> 00:05:13,189 In the years since the film, this idea has begun 92 00:05:13,322 --> 00:05:16,058 to be taken seriously as more than science fiction. 93 00:05:16,591 --> 00:05:19,228 It is fiercely debated online and in real life 94 00:05:19,361 --> 00:05:23,598 in classrooms, laboratories, design studios and courtrooms. 95 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:25,733 So the idea is right, 96 00:05:25,868 --> 00:05:27,369 any sufficiently advanced civilization 97 00:05:27,503 --> 00:05:32,108 could create simulation that's like our existence, 98 00:05:32,475 --> 00:05:33,741 and so the theory follows 99 00:05:33,876 --> 00:05:36,744 that maybe we're in the simulation. 100 00:05:37,346 --> 00:05:39,014 - Have you thought about this? - A lot. 101 00:05:39,148 --> 00:05:40,748 And are we... 102 00:05:41,016 --> 00:05:46,055 I am actually in a simulation, and so are you. 103 00:05:50,625 --> 00:05:52,161 So, are we living in a simulation? 104 00:05:52,461 --> 00:05:57,466 I find it hard to argue against that possibility. 105 00:05:57,833 --> 00:06:01,769 If all of this is some kind of informational process 106 00:06:01,904 --> 00:06:03,439 running in some machine. 107 00:06:04,173 --> 00:06:06,708 The machine is not in this universe, 108 00:06:06,842 --> 00:06:08,144 it's somewhere else, 109 00:06:08,477 --> 00:06:10,846 and this universe is a consequence of its running. 110 00:06:22,625 --> 00:06:25,594 This is kind of getting that artifacting or whatever problem. 111 00:06:26,595 --> 00:06:28,097 Brother Mystwood, hey, how are you? 112 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:31,834 Hello. I am sorry about the strange lighting. 113 00:06:33,202 --> 00:06:34,637 All I have is Christmas lights. 114 00:06:35,371 --> 00:06:37,772 You talked about, you know, sort of this journey 115 00:06:37,907 --> 00:06:40,910 starting after a spade of synchronicities. 116 00:06:41,810 --> 00:06:43,112 - What were those like? - Yes. 117 00:06:43,479 --> 00:06:45,548 There's a number of rather small examples. 118 00:06:46,015 --> 00:06:48,217 You know, the kind of everyday things that you would, 119 00:06:48,350 --> 00:06:50,953 you know... I'm thinking of someone, 120 00:06:51,086 --> 00:06:53,856 and I turn the corner and there they are. 121 00:06:57,426 --> 00:07:01,330 I would start giving myself sort of tests. 122 00:07:02,831 --> 00:07:04,200 I'm thinking of an orange fish. 123 00:07:04,667 --> 00:07:06,969 I would like to see an orange fish in the next 10 minutes. 124 00:07:07,570 --> 00:07:09,305 And 10 minutes later in the walk, 125 00:07:09,438 --> 00:07:10,705 I turn down a street 126 00:07:11,073 --> 00:07:12,074 and there's a restaurant with an orange fish on it 127 00:07:12,208 --> 00:07:13,042 that I'd never seen before. 128 00:07:14,709 --> 00:07:18,147 So, small things like that occur with enough regularity. 129 00:07:18,614 --> 00:07:23,052 I began to sort of track my days numerically. 130 00:07:23,786 --> 00:07:25,020 And if you'll allow me to go 131 00:07:25,154 --> 00:07:27,122 on a tangent a little bit here, Rodney. 132 00:07:27,256 --> 00:07:29,959 I don't enjoy the average five-day week. 133 00:07:30,092 --> 00:07:33,462 I like to work in weeks of 12 days. 134 00:07:38,067 --> 00:07:39,568 I would notice that sort of on every 12th day 135 00:07:39,702 --> 00:07:41,470 I would see a certain type of thing pop up 136 00:07:41,604 --> 00:07:44,506 and I tracked this over the course of about a year. 137 00:07:45,407 --> 00:07:47,676 And long story short, started to notice 138 00:07:48,277 --> 00:07:53,015 you know, things that would pop up with a certain regularity. 139 00:07:53,515 --> 00:07:57,519 You know, on every third day, for instance, I would kind of... 140 00:07:57,686 --> 00:07:59,855 that would be when something would happen 141 00:08:00,556 --> 00:08:02,057 sort of related to my career. 142 00:08:02,191 --> 00:08:04,860 Or every fifth day I would notice an interesting 143 00:08:04,994 --> 00:08:06,929 synchronicity related to my family, 144 00:08:07,062 --> 00:08:08,264 so on and so forth. 145 00:08:08,397 --> 00:08:09,965 And at a certain point of course, 146 00:08:10,099 --> 00:08:12,701 what becomes hard to delineate, is this regularity 147 00:08:12,835 --> 00:08:16,538 something that I'm noticing or something that I'm making? 148 00:08:16,672 --> 00:08:18,641 You know, is it a Schrodinger type of situation, 149 00:08:18,773 --> 00:08:21,277 where just by virtue of staring at this thing, 150 00:08:21,410 --> 00:08:23,078 it becomes something that it's not. 151 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:25,948 One of the big things was 152 00:08:26,282 --> 00:08:30,152 that I would go to a lot of places with my parents 153 00:08:30,753 --> 00:08:32,321 and they would be empty. 154 00:08:36,125 --> 00:08:37,593 Or very few people. 155 00:08:38,761 --> 00:08:41,897 Like a shopping mall with not a lot of people in there. 156 00:08:46,402 --> 00:08:50,272 Driving down the road and never seeing another car. 157 00:08:50,506 --> 00:08:51,573 Things like that. 158 00:08:52,641 --> 00:08:55,010 This is because I moved from Pontiac, Illinois, 159 00:08:55,144 --> 00:08:58,480 which had more people, 160 00:08:58,881 --> 00:09:02,084 to Dorsey, Illinois, which had like 500 people. 161 00:09:02,351 --> 00:09:03,819 Our nearest neighbor was a quarter of a mile 162 00:09:03,952 --> 00:09:05,287 down the road and all that. 163 00:09:05,521 --> 00:09:07,823 So I didn't interact with a lot of people. 164 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:11,960 And one of the things that I thought, 165 00:09:12,094 --> 00:09:13,696 again, this is in my little, you know, 166 00:09:13,829 --> 00:09:15,998 I moved there when I was in like second grade... 167 00:09:16,632 --> 00:09:18,467 In my little brain I was like, "A-ha! 168 00:09:18,734 --> 00:09:22,137 This is a great way of saving time and money 169 00:09:22,271 --> 00:09:25,074 because they won't need to have as many people." 170 00:09:29,278 --> 00:09:31,280 Occasionally, I would go to St. Louis... 171 00:09:32,281 --> 00:09:33,783 which was about 50 miles away. 172 00:09:33,949 --> 00:09:37,286 But whenever we did, my Dad had a very tight control 173 00:09:37,619 --> 00:09:39,955 over our schedule and our itinerary, you know. 174 00:09:40,089 --> 00:09:42,725 Once I saw... 175 00:09:42,891 --> 00:09:44,393 ...the idea of a facade, 176 00:09:45,394 --> 00:09:47,496 you know, this is on a western movie thing. 177 00:09:47,996 --> 00:09:49,531 Once I saw the idea of it, 178 00:09:49,665 --> 00:09:51,433 I was like, "Oh, well, that's what's happening." 179 00:09:52,334 --> 00:09:54,436 All this time that we're spending in the car, 180 00:09:54,570 --> 00:09:57,573 this 50 minutes that it takes us, 181 00:09:58,073 --> 00:09:59,341 we're inside this car 182 00:09:59,775 --> 00:10:03,479 they're playing, you know, this film of us driving 183 00:10:03,612 --> 00:10:06,615 while they're changing all the sets into the St. Louis set. 184 00:10:11,887 --> 00:10:15,391 But I'm not gonna get to go and see everything 185 00:10:15,524 --> 00:10:17,926 because my dad is gonna be there to make sure 186 00:10:18,093 --> 00:10:19,995 that we hit the points we're supposed to hit 187 00:10:20,162 --> 00:10:22,264 and then we get back in the car and we go. 188 00:10:29,204 --> 00:10:31,206 Can you see me? There! 189 00:10:31,841 --> 00:10:36,813 I am an East Coaster who lives in Los Angeles. 190 00:10:37,579 --> 00:10:40,015 I have an electrical engineering degree from Harvard. 191 00:10:40,315 --> 00:10:41,417 I'm an entrepreneur. 192 00:10:41,885 --> 00:10:43,685 And I've also... 193 00:10:45,187 --> 00:10:47,022 I've got Crohn's disease. 194 00:10:47,289 --> 00:10:51,760 And it all plays in to the simulation. 195 00:10:52,294 --> 00:10:55,731 I think the sort of basic idea is that 196 00:10:56,131 --> 00:10:57,966 if you believed it enough... 197 00:10:59,601 --> 00:11:01,537 incredibly high-power computing devices 198 00:11:01,670 --> 00:11:04,640 are gonna be distributed in society 199 00:11:04,773 --> 00:11:07,509 and that the computers will get stronger and stronger 200 00:11:07,643 --> 00:11:08,710 like our cell phones... 201 00:11:08,845 --> 00:11:11,146 Hey, you guys! Hey! No! Quiet! 202 00:11:12,314 --> 00:11:15,617 So, you know, if there are in fact... 203 00:11:17,453 --> 00:11:20,924 enough machines that are running 204 00:11:21,156 --> 00:11:23,258 video game-style world simulations 205 00:11:23,692 --> 00:11:26,962 the question is, you know, if there's that many fake realities 206 00:11:27,095 --> 00:11:28,530 and only one base reality, 207 00:11:28,832 --> 00:11:31,967 what are the chances that you happen to be in base reality? 208 00:11:32,434 --> 00:11:34,036 The odds that we're in base reality 209 00:11:34,169 --> 00:11:35,337 is one in billions. 210 00:11:40,075 --> 00:11:42,478 The most influential statistics-based 211 00:11:42,611 --> 00:11:46,048 look at simulation theory was a 2003 article 212 00:11:46,181 --> 00:11:48,383 by Oxford professor Nick Bostrom. 213 00:11:48,785 --> 00:11:52,688 It was titled "Are You Living in a Computer Simulation?" 214 00:11:56,992 --> 00:11:59,361 Well, I was at the time a... 215 00:12:00,429 --> 00:12:03,599 kind of post-doctoral fellow at Yale University. 216 00:12:03,833 --> 00:12:05,100 The ideas in some vague form 217 00:12:05,234 --> 00:12:07,736 have been with me for quite some time 218 00:12:07,971 --> 00:12:11,206 that amounted to something more than just idle speculation. 219 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:12,876 And so I wrote that up 220 00:12:13,208 --> 00:12:15,410 and published that in Philosophical Quarterly. 221 00:12:16,478 --> 00:12:20,516 And it immediately evoked a huge amount of interest. 222 00:12:20,917 --> 00:12:24,553 And has continued to be a huge amount of interest. 223 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,689 It seems to come in waves every year or two. 224 00:12:27,824 --> 00:12:31,460 Some new set of people discover it for the first time. 225 00:12:32,661 --> 00:12:35,397 So I make a distinction between the simulation hypothesis 226 00:12:35,531 --> 00:12:37,834 which is the hypothesis that we are literally 227 00:12:37,967 --> 00:12:39,969 in a computer simulation engineered 228 00:12:40,235 --> 00:12:41,703 by some advanced civilization. 229 00:12:41,905 --> 00:12:43,372 And the simulation argument. 230 00:12:43,739 --> 00:12:46,910 And it uses some simple probability theory, 231 00:12:47,042 --> 00:12:49,812 but the basic idea can be quite easily grasped. 232 00:12:50,145 --> 00:12:53,682 Which is that at least one of three propositions is true. 233 00:12:54,550 --> 00:12:58,587 The first alternative is that most all civilizations 234 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,256 at our current stage of technological development 235 00:13:01,991 --> 00:13:05,627 go extinct before they reach technological maturity. 236 00:13:10,465 --> 00:13:12,301 The second alternative is that there is 237 00:13:12,467 --> 00:13:14,069 a very strong convergence 238 00:13:14,436 --> 00:13:17,706 in virtually all technologically mature civilizations 239 00:13:17,874 --> 00:13:19,741 in that they all lose interest 240 00:13:19,876 --> 00:13:23,111 in creating simulations of this kind. 241 00:13:23,345 --> 00:13:24,613 They all lose interest 242 00:13:24,781 --> 00:13:26,181 in creating ancestor simulations. 243 00:13:26,615 --> 00:13:28,450 And the third alternative is the simulation hypothesis 244 00:13:28,584 --> 00:13:31,453 that we are almost certainly in a computer simulation. 245 00:13:33,221 --> 00:13:37,225 So if you reject these first two propositions, it follows that 246 00:13:38,193 --> 00:13:42,598 almost all people with our kinds of experience are simulated. 247 00:13:42,832 --> 00:13:45,701 And then, conditional on that being the case, I argue 248 00:13:45,868 --> 00:13:48,337 we should think we are probably one of the simulated ones 249 00:13:48,770 --> 00:13:51,007 rather than one of the non-simulated, 250 00:13:51,173 --> 00:13:52,574 exceptional, original ones. 251 00:13:53,076 --> 00:13:55,477 Personally, for me, it's all about probabilities. 252 00:13:55,611 --> 00:14:01,283 I'm someone who thinks in terms of probabilities, anyway. 253 00:14:01,985 --> 00:14:04,686 And I've just found in my life 254 00:14:04,821 --> 00:14:08,091 that there's lots of low probability outcomes 255 00:14:08,523 --> 00:14:10,860 happen again and again and again, and again. 256 00:14:18,533 --> 00:14:19,468 Bam. 257 00:14:19,635 --> 00:14:21,203 If I keep glancing off to the side, 258 00:14:21,336 --> 00:14:23,106 it's 'cause my screen's over there. 259 00:14:23,238 --> 00:14:24,172 Oh, okay. 260 00:14:24,506 --> 00:14:26,042 You're actually at my drawing table. 261 00:14:26,174 --> 00:14:27,175 So, if I keep glancing over there, 262 00:14:27,309 --> 00:14:28,577 I'm just looking at you. 263 00:14:29,478 --> 00:14:30,712 And I'll look back to camera. 264 00:14:30,847 --> 00:14:32,481 What kind of drawing do you do? 265 00:14:34,483 --> 00:14:37,653 - It depends. You know Moebius? - Sure. 266 00:14:37,954 --> 00:14:40,957 Yeah, I re-drew one of his entire books 267 00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:45,394 with characters from Peanuts instead of characters from him. 268 00:14:45,895 --> 00:14:48,764 And then I just do painting and stuff like... 269 00:14:49,431 --> 00:14:52,802 just doodling like fake Mignola stuff. 270 00:14:53,136 --> 00:14:54,070 Uh-huh. 271 00:14:54,636 --> 00:14:57,006 Nothing that wonderful, but... 272 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:59,374 I'm working more on the Moebius-style 273 00:14:59,508 --> 00:15:01,110 for an entire new book right now. 274 00:15:01,243 --> 00:15:03,880 That's cool. So, are you a full-time... 275 00:15:04,379 --> 00:15:06,214 - professional comic artist? - No, no. 276 00:15:06,816 --> 00:15:10,086 I wish. No, I do Special Ed teaching. 277 00:15:10,953 --> 00:15:12,654 When did you start thinking that there's more 278 00:15:12,789 --> 00:15:15,424 to simulation theory than Science Fiction can see? 279 00:15:15,892 --> 00:15:19,028 Well, we know Musk. When he started talking about it 280 00:15:19,996 --> 00:15:21,630 I really started thinking about it more. 281 00:15:22,031 --> 00:15:25,534 The strongest argument for us being in a simulation... 282 00:15:25,667 --> 00:15:27,904 probably being in a simulation, I think is the following. 283 00:15:29,604 --> 00:15:33,943 That 40 years ago, we had Pong. 284 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:35,812 Like two rectangles and a dot. 285 00:15:36,145 --> 00:15:37,880 That was what games were. 286 00:15:39,048 --> 00:15:40,415 Now, 40 years later, 287 00:15:40,549 --> 00:15:43,385 we have photo-realistic 3D simulations 288 00:15:43,518 --> 00:15:45,420 with millions of people playing simultaneously. 289 00:15:45,721 --> 00:15:47,056 And it's getting better every year. 290 00:15:47,190 --> 00:15:50,893 If you assume any rate of improvement at all 291 00:15:52,028 --> 00:15:55,564 then the games will become indistinguishable from reality. 292 00:16:00,402 --> 00:16:04,974 I think that triggered me to really think hard about it. 293 00:16:12,181 --> 00:16:15,350 Does any one of us remember in any dim fashion 294 00:16:15,717 --> 00:16:19,354 a worse Earth, circa 1977, than this? 295 00:16:19,822 --> 00:16:23,525 Have our young men seen visions and our old men dreamed dreams? 296 00:16:23,692 --> 00:16:24,459 I have. 297 00:16:25,128 --> 00:16:28,663 Nightmare dreams, specifically, of prisons and jailers 298 00:16:29,065 --> 00:16:30,800 and ubiquitous police. 299 00:16:33,268 --> 00:16:37,240 I wrote out these dreams in novel after novel, 300 00:16:37,506 --> 00:16:38,774 story after story. 301 00:16:39,108 --> 00:16:41,944 To name two in which this prior ugly present 302 00:16:42,078 --> 00:16:43,179 obtained most clearly, 303 00:16:43,411 --> 00:16:45,148 I cite The Man in the High Castle 304 00:16:45,447 --> 00:16:49,384 and my 1974 novel about the US as a police state 305 00:16:49,651 --> 00:16:52,054 called Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said. 306 00:16:52,721 --> 00:16:54,891 I'm going to be very candid with you. 307 00:16:55,191 --> 00:16:59,327 I wrote both novels based on fragmentary residual memories 308 00:16:59,494 --> 00:17:01,563 of such a horrid slave state world. 309 00:17:02,031 --> 00:17:04,299 Or perhaps the term "world" is the wrong one 310 00:17:04,432 --> 00:17:06,035 and I should say "United States", 311 00:17:06,368 --> 00:17:07,569 since in both novels, 312 00:17:07,702 --> 00:17:09,604 I was writing about my own country. 313 00:17:10,705 --> 00:17:12,774 Some people claim to remember past lives. 314 00:17:12,909 --> 00:17:16,344 I claim to remember a very different present life. 315 00:17:16,979 --> 00:17:20,216 I know of no one who has ever made this claim before, 316 00:17:20,382 --> 00:17:21,516 but I rather suspect 317 00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:23,485 that my experience is not unique. 318 00:17:24,020 --> 00:17:26,621 I can even tell you what caused me to remember. 319 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:31,127 In late February of 1974, I was given sodium pentothal 320 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:33,628 for the extraction of impacted wisdom teeth. 321 00:17:34,063 --> 00:17:36,665 Later that day, back home again but still 322 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,501 deeply under the influence of the sodium pentothal, 323 00:17:39,768 --> 00:17:42,704 I had a short, acute flash of recovered memory. 324 00:17:43,239 --> 00:17:45,407 In one instance, I caught it all. 325 00:17:45,842 --> 00:17:48,811 You are free to believe me or to disbelieve, 326 00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:51,680 but please take my word on it that I am not joking. 327 00:17:51,814 --> 00:17:54,716 This is very serious, a matter of importance. 328 00:17:55,084 --> 00:17:57,619 I am sure that, at the very least, you'll agree 329 00:17:57,820 --> 00:18:01,523 that for me even to claim this is in itself amazing. 330 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:07,529 Philip K. Dick wrote over 8,000 pages 331 00:18:07,662 --> 00:18:09,764 trying to understand the recovered memories 332 00:18:09,899 --> 00:18:13,735 he experienced in February and March of 1974, 333 00:18:13,870 --> 00:18:17,106 an experience he called "2-3-7-4". 334 00:18:17,874 --> 00:18:20,709 This writing is known as "The Exegesis". 335 00:18:21,244 --> 00:18:22,510 Erik Davis, 336 00:18:22,879 --> 00:18:24,713 working with Pamela Davis and Jonathan Lethem, 337 00:18:25,014 --> 00:18:27,950 wrestled with this text to edit a single book from it. 338 00:18:29,852 --> 00:18:31,320 It was a great experience, 339 00:18:31,686 --> 00:18:35,224 although a kind of crazy-making one in a way. 340 00:18:35,358 --> 00:18:40,695 And you're in the antechamber of the guy's problems 341 00:18:40,863 --> 00:18:44,432 and his trauma, and his despair. 342 00:18:44,666 --> 00:18:47,003 It was so... such a vast text 343 00:18:47,136 --> 00:18:50,339 that you kinda had to do it by attrition, really. 344 00:18:50,472 --> 00:18:52,574 There were a number of things that really worked. 345 00:18:52,707 --> 00:18:54,643 One is that when he was really engaged 346 00:18:54,777 --> 00:18:55,945 in his own writing... 347 00:18:56,112 --> 00:18:57,545 ...we included that. 348 00:18:57,712 --> 00:18:59,481 When he was describing experiences, 349 00:18:59,614 --> 00:19:00,783 we included that. 350 00:19:01,017 --> 00:19:02,450 There's a part where 351 00:19:02,818 --> 00:19:05,553 Dick describes the writing in "Exegesis" as a "hell chore". 352 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,257 I think it really shows the challenges 353 00:19:08,391 --> 00:19:11,493 of wrestling with an extraordinary experience, 354 00:19:11,626 --> 00:19:13,095 and particularly experiences 355 00:19:13,262 --> 00:19:16,198 which we can find throughout religious history 356 00:19:16,332 --> 00:19:20,102 of seeming insights into reality that, 357 00:19:20,269 --> 00:19:22,437 for whatever positive vision they give you 358 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:24,106 about the true nature of things, 359 00:19:24,673 --> 00:19:26,075 do manage to undermine 360 00:19:26,309 --> 00:19:28,210 your sense that the everyday world 361 00:19:28,344 --> 00:19:33,448 is at all a coherent, realistic operation. 362 00:19:33,648 --> 00:19:37,119 And that's quite a harrowing ride. 363 00:19:44,827 --> 00:19:46,095 I could probably put together a list 364 00:19:46,228 --> 00:19:49,698 of all the various small synchronicities 365 00:19:49,832 --> 00:19:51,067 that kept popping up, 366 00:19:51,566 --> 00:19:53,501 but they were just so mundane, but there was so many of them 367 00:19:53,635 --> 00:19:57,039 that eventually I took one of these, 368 00:19:57,539 --> 00:19:59,641 you know, a particularly auspicious day, 369 00:19:59,774 --> 00:20:01,177 I guess, for myself. 370 00:20:01,609 --> 00:20:04,880 And decided I was going to do a sensory deprivation tank. 371 00:20:06,215 --> 00:20:08,250 Which is not something I had done before. 372 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,086 But it was just... 373 00:20:11,287 --> 00:20:15,157 something that felt like it'd be an interesting experience. 374 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:16,826 And so, I did that. 375 00:20:17,059 --> 00:20:19,462 And there's a guy in New York here, 376 00:20:19,627 --> 00:20:20,896 on 23rd Street 377 00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:22,264 who has a sensory deprivation tank 378 00:20:22,398 --> 00:20:23,665 in his apartment, 379 00:20:23,866 --> 00:20:25,201 which is a strange thing, but you go in, 380 00:20:25,334 --> 00:20:27,069 he gives you the spiel. 381 00:20:27,436 --> 00:20:29,537 You ask him any questions, and then you go into it. 382 00:20:30,473 --> 00:20:32,674 And I, never having had done this before, 383 00:20:32,808 --> 00:20:34,743 I kind of went into it 384 00:20:34,877 --> 00:20:36,379 not really knowing what to expect. 385 00:20:36,544 --> 00:20:38,280 But he said, just sort of ask for what you want 386 00:20:38,414 --> 00:20:40,715 or ask for, you know, what you'd like to know. 387 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:42,985 And the sense I got was like, 388 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,753 "Yes, I'm asking the universe, or whatever 389 00:20:44,887 --> 00:20:46,322 but I'm also really asking myself." 390 00:20:46,455 --> 00:20:49,859 And maybe those aren't different things, right? 391 00:20:58,934 --> 00:21:00,469 The first few minutes were very... 392 00:21:01,404 --> 00:21:03,372 I was very aware of where I was. 393 00:21:03,506 --> 00:21:04,807 But after a few more minutes, 394 00:21:05,408 --> 00:21:07,910 I sort of stopped sensing my body. 395 00:21:08,144 --> 00:21:10,813 I could now hear my eyelids. 396 00:21:11,013 --> 00:21:12,614 I could actually hear what I thought might be 397 00:21:12,747 --> 00:21:14,150 my nervous system. 398 00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:17,219 I kinda, in that state, had to come out, and said, 399 00:21:17,619 --> 00:21:18,988 "Listen, I get the sense 400 00:21:19,121 --> 00:21:20,790 that you're trying to tell me something." 401 00:21:21,357 --> 00:21:23,959 I'm not sure I even knew who the "you" was I was talking to. 402 00:21:24,093 --> 00:21:26,128 I don't know if it was the universe or... 403 00:21:26,462 --> 00:21:29,764 I'm also an ordained minister, so I was raised with that. 404 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:31,566 So there's, you know, 405 00:21:31,699 --> 00:21:33,235 there's a God part of it for me. 406 00:21:36,472 --> 00:21:37,840 Just sort of asking it, 407 00:21:37,973 --> 00:21:39,308 come out, just come out 408 00:21:39,442 --> 00:21:41,077 and do what it is you'd like to say. 409 00:21:54,123 --> 00:21:57,093 Yeah, and I'm not a New Age guy at all. 410 00:21:57,226 --> 00:21:58,928 Or at least I wasn't before I did this. 411 00:21:59,061 --> 00:22:01,864 But my head started to buzz. 412 00:22:02,131 --> 00:22:05,468 My forehead just started to violent pounding. 413 00:22:05,667 --> 00:22:08,636 A swirling buzz that I... 414 00:22:08,971 --> 00:22:10,705 I felt like I opened up, 415 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,575 and I just became aware like, "Okay 416 00:22:13,042 --> 00:22:15,344 I am not a body at all, I am a code. 417 00:22:15,544 --> 00:22:17,913 I am a string of letters and numbers 418 00:22:18,047 --> 00:22:19,415 and acids, and so forth. 419 00:22:19,548 --> 00:22:21,150 And I knew this, of course, from DNA, 420 00:22:21,283 --> 00:22:24,286 but more than that, it means, you know, 421 00:22:24,854 --> 00:22:28,357 nothing on me is real." 422 00:22:29,125 --> 00:22:30,692 And nothing on anyone is real. 423 00:22:30,826 --> 00:22:33,395 I'm pattern, I'm a code constantly replicating itself. 424 00:22:33,529 --> 00:22:36,232 I'm a vibration, and that's what it is. 425 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:37,632 Got out of the tank 426 00:22:37,833 --> 00:22:39,268 and I started talking to the guy. 427 00:22:41,103 --> 00:22:42,304 And he was talking about, 428 00:22:42,438 --> 00:22:43,638 "Oh, it's your third eye opening 429 00:22:43,771 --> 00:22:45,241 and sometimes that happens" 430 00:22:45,374 --> 00:22:46,976 And I asked him, "Well, what do I do with that?" 431 00:22:47,109 --> 00:22:48,310 And he's like, "I don't know. Enjoy it." 432 00:22:50,645 --> 00:22:53,849 I've always had a little bit of a sense of this, 433 00:22:53,983 --> 00:22:55,717 but this is the big event. 434 00:23:00,089 --> 00:23:01,957 I was about 11 or 12... 435 00:23:02,791 --> 00:23:04,860 and I'm adopted. 436 00:23:05,261 --> 00:23:07,463 I'm a pastor's son. 437 00:23:07,930 --> 00:23:09,598 My adopted dad is a pastor, 438 00:23:09,731 --> 00:23:11,133 so I go to church every Sunday. 439 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,903 And I believe at this point in time, though, 440 00:23:14,036 --> 00:23:15,404 it wasn't a Sunday service. 441 00:23:15,538 --> 00:23:16,738 I think it was like an Advent service. 442 00:23:16,872 --> 00:23:17,940 It was at nighttime. 443 00:23:18,507 --> 00:23:23,245 And most people have some reference for church, 444 00:23:23,379 --> 00:23:24,413 but in case you don't, 445 00:23:25,147 --> 00:23:27,249 there are people, they're dressed up 446 00:23:28,284 --> 00:23:30,553 and they're sitting in... this is in the early 80s, 447 00:23:30,685 --> 00:23:33,189 so people dressed up more than they maybe do now. 448 00:23:33,522 --> 00:23:37,293 And they're seating in pews. Pews are like long benches. 449 00:23:38,127 --> 00:23:39,428 And they have their hymnals open, 450 00:23:39,562 --> 00:23:40,462 and they're singing. 451 00:23:42,131 --> 00:23:44,967 And I look around at everyone singing 452 00:23:45,733 --> 00:23:50,239 and I think to myself, "The way we're making these noises, 453 00:23:50,772 --> 00:23:55,144 is that we have these meat flaps and we're forcing air 454 00:23:55,277 --> 00:23:57,813 through these meat flaps and we're making noise. 455 00:23:58,214 --> 00:23:59,882 And we're animals, basically, 456 00:24:00,015 --> 00:24:02,117 yet we put on all these clothes 457 00:24:02,284 --> 00:24:05,487 and we sit in this place, and we're making these noises 458 00:24:05,621 --> 00:24:07,289 by forcing air through our meat flaps," 459 00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:10,259 and I start thinking about how bodies move 460 00:24:10,526 --> 00:24:12,760 and how weird it is that they move that way. 461 00:24:13,028 --> 00:24:14,897 And just the absurdity of the situation 462 00:24:15,231 --> 00:24:16,966 keeps on going around, around in my head. 463 00:24:17,299 --> 00:24:19,935 And I'm like, "Oh, none of this is real. 464 00:24:20,069 --> 00:24:21,370 That's what's going on." 465 00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:23,239 And as soon as I had that realization, 466 00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:25,574 the only way I can describe it is, 467 00:24:25,841 --> 00:24:28,611 I was nowhere, I was nothing. 468 00:24:29,744 --> 00:24:33,349 I felt sort of like loneliness was a thing. 469 00:24:33,482 --> 00:24:35,884 I was the personification of it. 470 00:24:36,118 --> 00:24:39,021 I was cut off from everything. It was only me. 471 00:24:39,822 --> 00:24:43,892 And it was soul-crushing and claustrophobic. 472 00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:47,930 But I didn't see anything. It wasn't that I saw blackness. 473 00:24:48,063 --> 00:24:50,733 I wasn't seeing and I wasn't feeling. 474 00:24:50,899 --> 00:24:54,136 It was this almost negation of self 475 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:55,838 except that I was there 476 00:24:56,205 --> 00:25:00,442 feeling this weird emptiness, this gone-ness. 477 00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:11,287 My entire life, I'm living with family, 478 00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:14,189 and I'm real used to it. Specifically, my brother. 479 00:25:15,658 --> 00:25:17,126 And then I go off. 480 00:25:17,593 --> 00:25:19,928 You know, the parents are always like, "You're 18. 481 00:25:20,062 --> 00:25:21,163 We're kicking you out." 482 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:23,165 But I kinda beat them to the punch 483 00:25:23,299 --> 00:25:25,367 because, like, the day after graduation, 484 00:25:25,501 --> 00:25:26,535 I was out of town. 485 00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:27,870 I had moved away. 486 00:25:28,003 --> 00:25:29,004 And I didn't come back for years. 487 00:25:30,239 --> 00:25:32,875 But during that time, I was just alone, you know. 488 00:25:33,008 --> 00:25:34,176 I lived with a friend, 489 00:25:34,376 --> 00:25:35,544 but I didn't have my brother with me. 490 00:25:36,478 --> 00:25:39,581 And all we would do for like two straight years 491 00:25:39,715 --> 00:25:40,616 is just play video games. 492 00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:42,217 I worked at a Chili's, 493 00:25:43,018 --> 00:25:45,154 and I would always come home, we would do stupid things 494 00:25:45,287 --> 00:25:49,725 like play Guitar Hero for two straight days, 495 00:25:49,858 --> 00:25:54,296 or we would get a game and do it from front to back, 496 00:25:54,430 --> 00:25:56,231 and then just go back in and just beat it again. 497 00:25:56,899 --> 00:25:59,968 All the time, video games, for years and years, 498 00:26:00,836 --> 00:26:02,271 that's literally all I did. 499 00:26:03,272 --> 00:26:05,307 Didn't draw, didn't do anything. 500 00:26:12,448 --> 00:26:14,650 And so I got into a dark place there. 501 00:26:14,784 --> 00:26:17,821 It's like, "Maybe I'm stuck in this rut on purpose. 502 00:26:17,953 --> 00:26:20,022 Maybe it's not my design. It's whatever." 503 00:26:20,189 --> 00:26:21,724 I'm not religious at all, 504 00:26:22,024 --> 00:26:25,761 but how do I reconcile feeling like I'm in a rut, though? 505 00:26:26,328 --> 00:26:28,497 Like a preprogrammed rut. 506 00:26:28,897 --> 00:26:30,065 I have to go the science route. 507 00:26:30,834 --> 00:26:35,304 And the only really blending of religion in science there is 508 00:26:35,537 --> 00:26:38,307 would probably be a simulation theory, 509 00:26:38,941 --> 00:26:40,242 to be honest with you. 510 00:26:42,812 --> 00:26:44,413 When I had that first experience 511 00:26:44,546 --> 00:26:46,615 in the church, the analogy that I use is like, 512 00:26:46,749 --> 00:26:50,085 let's say that your grandpa has a favorite radio. 513 00:26:50,619 --> 00:26:52,421 And he listens to it all the time, and all that. 514 00:26:52,554 --> 00:26:55,424 And one day, you decide to take that radio apart. 515 00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:57,626 And you're looking at all the pieces 516 00:26:58,060 --> 00:26:59,695 and "Hey, hey, I took this apart." 517 00:26:59,895 --> 00:27:02,598 And then you realize you can't put it back together again. 518 00:27:03,298 --> 00:27:04,767 That's the feeling that I had 519 00:27:04,967 --> 00:27:07,837 when I was in that sort of null state, if you will. 520 00:27:08,337 --> 00:27:09,972 And in my mind... 521 00:27:10,874 --> 00:27:15,177 that is what's outside of the simulation. 522 00:27:24,953 --> 00:27:26,388 Contemplating this possibility 523 00:27:26,522 --> 00:27:28,624 of a lateral arrangement of worlds, 524 00:27:29,525 --> 00:27:31,360 a plurality of overlapping Earths 525 00:27:31,493 --> 00:27:34,730 along whose linking axis a person can somehow move 526 00:27:34,997 --> 00:27:36,532 and travel in a mysterious way 527 00:27:36,665 --> 00:27:38,934 from worst to fair to good to excellent. 528 00:27:39,301 --> 00:27:41,470 Contemplating this in theological terms, 529 00:27:41,838 --> 00:27:45,174 perhaps we could say that here with we suddenly decipher 530 00:27:45,407 --> 00:27:48,010 the elliptical utterances which Christ expressed 531 00:27:48,143 --> 00:27:49,813 regarding the kingdom of God. 532 00:27:50,112 --> 00:27:51,915 Specifically, where it is located. 533 00:27:52,514 --> 00:27:54,784 He seems to have given contradictory 534 00:27:54,918 --> 00:27:55,951 and puzzling answers. 535 00:27:56,385 --> 00:27:58,954 But suppose, just suppose for an instant 536 00:27:59,488 --> 00:28:01,223 that the cause of the perplexity 537 00:28:01,390 --> 00:28:02,558 lay not in any desire 538 00:28:02,691 --> 00:28:04,593 on his part to baffle or to hide, 539 00:28:04,828 --> 00:28:06,995 but in the inadequacy of the question. 540 00:28:07,831 --> 00:28:09,731 "My kingdom is not of this world," 541 00:28:09,866 --> 00:28:11,200 he is reported to have said. 542 00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:14,838 "The kingdom is within you, or possibly it is among you." 543 00:28:15,905 --> 00:28:18,474 It was his mission to teach his disciples 544 00:28:18,774 --> 00:28:22,277 the secret of crossing along this orthogonal path. 545 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,280 He did not merely report what lay there. 546 00:28:25,614 --> 00:28:27,349 He taught the method of getting there. 547 00:28:27,817 --> 00:28:30,052 But, tragically, the secret was lost. 548 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,088 The enemy, the Roman authority, crushed it. 549 00:28:34,423 --> 00:28:36,992 When I saw Star Wars this morning 550 00:28:37,827 --> 00:28:39,061 I thought to myself... 551 00:28:40,362 --> 00:28:41,463 déjà vu. 552 00:28:46,235 --> 00:28:48,872 The simulation idea has been around way before 553 00:28:49,004 --> 00:28:52,007 all of us started thinking about computers. 554 00:28:52,441 --> 00:28:55,477 The concept of people standing at the Pearly Gates 555 00:28:55,611 --> 00:28:57,579 and looking at their lives, right? 556 00:28:57,881 --> 00:29:02,618 What is that if not a debrief, if you will, 557 00:29:02,751 --> 00:29:05,420 after you get out of a simulation? 558 00:29:05,955 --> 00:29:08,257 Hey, Miller, look what I found. 559 00:29:08,457 --> 00:29:09,324 Wow. 560 00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:12,094 Realistic, isn't it, Mr. Miller? 561 00:29:12,561 --> 00:29:15,497 René Descartes tried to build an epistemology 562 00:29:15,832 --> 00:29:19,101 from a foundation of skepticism and radical doubt. 563 00:29:19,468 --> 00:29:21,570 I will suppose that some malicious demon 564 00:29:21,737 --> 00:29:24,072 has employed his energies to deceive me. 565 00:29:24,773 --> 00:29:27,609 I shall think that the sky, the air, the earth 566 00:29:27,776 --> 00:29:30,245 and all external things are merely the delusions 567 00:29:30,379 --> 00:29:32,782 which he has devised to ensnare my judgement. 568 00:29:33,749 --> 00:29:37,586 I shall consider myself as not having hands or flesh or senses 569 00:29:37,887 --> 00:29:40,689 but his falsely believing that I have all these things. 570 00:29:41,323 --> 00:29:43,692 A slightly more modern version of the same idea 571 00:29:43,826 --> 00:29:45,962 is the brain in a vat. Where, again, 572 00:29:46,428 --> 00:29:49,431 you try to challenge the philosopher 573 00:29:49,665 --> 00:29:51,366 to prove that the external world exists 574 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:54,570 and that he or she is not a brain in a vat 575 00:29:54,871 --> 00:29:56,873 in some mad scientist's laboratory 576 00:29:57,006 --> 00:29:58,875 being kind of fed inputs 577 00:29:59,308 --> 00:30:01,143 that mimic what the external world 578 00:30:01,276 --> 00:30:02,678 would have done. 579 00:30:13,455 --> 00:30:14,991 It didn't really matter how realistic 580 00:30:15,123 --> 00:30:16,325 these thought experiments were. 581 00:30:16,458 --> 00:30:17,827 They were just logical possibilities, 582 00:30:17,994 --> 00:30:20,362 and the challenge was, how can you disprove them? 583 00:30:24,166 --> 00:30:25,300 One thousand years 584 00:30:25,434 --> 00:30:27,102 before Descartes' Evil Demon 585 00:30:27,302 --> 00:30:31,139 a similar idea was put forth in Ancient Greece by Plato. 586 00:30:31,773 --> 00:30:34,242 He describes, "Imagine, the situation. 587 00:30:34,643 --> 00:30:38,815 There are figures chained inside of a cave from birth. 588 00:30:38,948 --> 00:30:41,149 They have no experience of what's outside of it. 589 00:30:41,316 --> 00:30:42,584 They're looking at a wall, 590 00:30:42,952 --> 00:30:44,453 and on the wall they kind of see this projection." 591 00:30:44,921 --> 00:30:46,856 You see men passing along the wall, 592 00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:48,825 carrying all sorts of articles 593 00:30:48,958 --> 00:30:51,226 which they hold projected above the wall. 594 00:30:51,526 --> 00:30:53,595 Statues of men and animals 595 00:30:53,729 --> 00:30:56,531 made of wood and stone and various materials. 596 00:31:00,435 --> 00:31:03,940 Of the objects, which are being carried in like manner, 597 00:31:04,473 --> 00:31:06,575 they would only see the shadows. 598 00:31:07,076 --> 00:31:08,577 Emily Pothast wrote about 599 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:10,345 this parable's relevance 600 00:31:10,512 --> 00:31:12,648 to both simulation theory and other aspects 601 00:31:12,849 --> 00:31:15,885 of digital communications and miscommunications. 602 00:31:18,453 --> 00:31:20,322 It's a very cinematic metaphor, 603 00:31:20,455 --> 00:31:21,723 and I just love that, 604 00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:25,028 how that sort of imagination of how film affects us. 605 00:31:25,761 --> 00:31:28,998 And just like there's like that lossiness between 606 00:31:29,132 --> 00:31:31,968 what is really happening and what perception shows us, 607 00:31:32,135 --> 00:31:35,337 there's sort of lossiness between what media 608 00:31:35,470 --> 00:31:37,506 shows us and what the real world outside 609 00:31:37,639 --> 00:31:39,641 of that media representation is. 610 00:31:39,775 --> 00:31:40,877 So now, 611 00:31:41,243 --> 00:31:42,879 it's not just what their senses decide to show them, 612 00:31:43,012 --> 00:31:44,680 it's what the media decides to show them. 613 00:31:44,847 --> 00:31:47,482 And this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. 614 00:31:48,051 --> 00:31:50,719 Let's go back to Hindu myths. 615 00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:57,526 You find these incredible myths of like, you know, 616 00:31:57,726 --> 00:32:00,897 the king's going along and stops for a well and he drinks 617 00:32:01,030 --> 00:32:03,398 and then he goes and has a whole other existence, 618 00:32:03,532 --> 00:32:04,967 a whole other life. 619 00:32:05,233 --> 00:32:06,836 And then pop! He comes back in. 620 00:32:07,003 --> 00:32:09,204 And they'll even have worlds within worlds within worlds. 621 00:32:09,337 --> 00:32:12,141 So, you have the structure of worlds within worlds, 622 00:32:12,274 --> 00:32:13,408 and once you have that 623 00:32:13,709 --> 00:32:16,344 it undermines the primary world. 624 00:32:16,611 --> 00:32:18,246 It really kind of crystalized for me 625 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:19,816 when I started observing 626 00:32:19,949 --> 00:32:22,584 the experience of the villager in Minecraft. 627 00:32:23,886 --> 00:32:25,888 He's a massively simplified version of us. 628 00:32:26,122 --> 00:32:30,059 He has free will. He moves about the space as he sees fit. 629 00:32:30,325 --> 00:32:31,626 But the interesting thing, though, 630 00:32:31,794 --> 00:32:33,196 is for me what it was with the villager is, 631 00:32:33,628 --> 00:32:36,398 you know, what does he do when you, the avatar 632 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:39,401 come down into the game of Minecraft? 633 00:32:39,601 --> 00:32:41,670 When you inhabit your avatar in Minecraft 634 00:32:41,804 --> 00:32:43,505 and you descend to Earth, 635 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,909 what does the villager do when you encounter him? 636 00:32:47,409 --> 00:32:49,311 He looks at you, you know? 637 00:32:49,779 --> 00:32:52,414 He looks at you as if you are the same as him. 638 00:32:52,547 --> 00:32:54,549 Of course, you're not. Because you are being controlled 639 00:32:54,917 --> 00:32:56,451 by an intelligence, a higher power. 640 00:32:57,053 --> 00:32:59,122 It'd be hilarious if Elon Musk 641 00:32:59,254 --> 00:33:00,288 was a player character. 642 00:33:01,157 --> 00:33:02,825 And he just comes into the game, like, 643 00:33:02,959 --> 00:33:05,995 "Hey, you guys know... ...we're simulated." 644 00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:08,597 This could be some simulation. 645 00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:10,499 It could. Do you entertain that? 646 00:33:10,833 --> 00:33:12,869 But then he gets to log off, go back to... 647 00:33:13,735 --> 00:33:15,270 Artificer, heaven or whatever, 648 00:33:15,403 --> 00:33:19,307 and laugh with his weird extra-dimensional friends 649 00:33:19,674 --> 00:33:21,576 "Hey, I was just playing around 650 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:23,045 with that simulation again today. 651 00:33:23,311 --> 00:33:25,680 And I keep dropping them hints, but no one's picking it up." 652 00:33:26,883 --> 00:33:28,350 But it's interesting because, 653 00:33:28,617 --> 00:33:30,719 for me, the villager speaks to, 654 00:33:30,853 --> 00:33:33,421 there are a few different levels of what, you know 655 00:33:33,655 --> 00:33:35,024 being raised in the Christian faith, 656 00:33:35,158 --> 00:33:36,259 I would call God. 657 00:33:36,926 --> 00:33:38,760 There's the God who made the world, 658 00:33:38,928 --> 00:33:40,762 and then there's the avatar 659 00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:42,430 who's descending in front of you, and they're different 660 00:33:42,564 --> 00:33:43,900 because the God who made the world 661 00:33:44,033 --> 00:33:45,734 is not the person who's in front of you. 662 00:33:45,868 --> 00:33:47,302 We don't get to see that. We don't get to see 663 00:33:47,435 --> 00:33:48,905 the creator of the game. 664 00:33:49,337 --> 00:33:53,375 To extend this metaphor to perhaps ridiculous lengths. 665 00:33:53,542 --> 00:33:56,012 You know, one minute, a pixel on your screen 666 00:33:56,444 --> 00:33:58,313 will be representing a flower. 667 00:33:59,081 --> 00:34:00,216 And it is that flower. 668 00:34:00,817 --> 00:34:02,450 And then the next minute, a villager will walk in, 669 00:34:02,584 --> 00:34:04,954 and that pixel represents him. 670 00:34:05,353 --> 00:34:06,588 That pixel is part of him. 671 00:34:06,755 --> 00:34:08,257 It doesn't take much to think about like, 672 00:34:08,390 --> 00:34:10,325 "Well, if I just extrapolate that to three dimensions, 673 00:34:11,194 --> 00:34:14,964 it's the same as atom is in cells. You know, one year 674 00:34:15,397 --> 00:34:16,498 this cell's part of me, 675 00:34:16,631 --> 00:34:17,834 and then tomorrow it'll flake off 676 00:34:17,967 --> 00:34:19,135 and it'll be part of something else. 677 00:34:19,268 --> 00:34:20,468 And every seven years, 678 00:34:20,635 --> 00:34:22,671 our cells replace themselves, anyway." 679 00:34:24,106 --> 00:34:25,607 Artist Chris Ware 680 00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:27,475 was so struck by the implications 681 00:34:27,609 --> 00:34:30,246 of Minecraft that he created this cover illustration 682 00:34:30,378 --> 00:34:31,646 for The New Yorker. 683 00:34:33,682 --> 00:34:35,051 Video game itself... 684 00:34:36,052 --> 00:34:37,920 catches this sort of sense of... 685 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:40,555 I don't know, more than anything just like death. 686 00:34:40,722 --> 00:34:42,158 Whenever I play it with my daughter, 687 00:34:42,291 --> 00:34:44,593 I feel like we're dead and we're flying around 688 00:34:44,726 --> 00:34:46,162 looking at the world or something. 689 00:34:46,295 --> 00:34:49,431 It's the only experience I've had that kind of 690 00:34:49,631 --> 00:34:51,666 closely approximates what I imagine 691 00:34:52,534 --> 00:34:55,704 a disembodied consciousness might experience, or something. 692 00:34:55,838 --> 00:34:57,639 I don't know how else to really put it. 693 00:34:58,707 --> 00:35:01,010 We build these peculiar sculptures. 694 00:35:01,143 --> 00:35:03,980 She built giant... Well, "giant" is a relative term 695 00:35:04,113 --> 00:35:05,848 when you're talking digitally being reality. 696 00:35:05,982 --> 00:35:08,818 But giant sculptures of myself and my wife 697 00:35:09,218 --> 00:35:12,788 amidst kind of golden farmhouses 698 00:35:12,922 --> 00:35:16,158 that then would go underground, 699 00:35:16,658 --> 00:35:18,794 and train lines or mine cart lines 700 00:35:18,928 --> 00:35:22,131 that would go underground and connect between... 701 00:35:24,432 --> 00:35:26,869 the landscape that kind of pre-existed. 702 00:35:28,271 --> 00:35:31,941 But now she's 14, so she's kind of passed beyond. 703 00:35:32,074 --> 00:35:34,576 But now she's in this sort of baroque phase 704 00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:36,611 where she and some of her friends 705 00:35:36,745 --> 00:35:38,546 now have gone back to Minecraft 706 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,483 and are now looking at their worlds that they made 707 00:35:41,683 --> 00:35:44,220 in their preadolescence and kind of revisiting them, 708 00:35:44,353 --> 00:35:47,622 and listening to the music again and getting all tearful. 709 00:35:47,756 --> 00:35:49,792 So it's a 14-year-old nostalgia 710 00:35:49,926 --> 00:35:52,128 for a lost world of innocence, or something. 711 00:35:52,828 --> 00:35:56,698 I guess when she's 40 and I'm 85, or whatever 712 00:35:56,832 --> 00:36:01,203 and downloaded onto a flash drive 713 00:36:01,337 --> 00:36:03,205 we can continue to visit. 714 00:36:18,254 --> 00:36:20,622 My relationship with the United States 715 00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:22,224 has always been a very bad one. 716 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,162 It has always seemed to me 717 00:36:27,196 --> 00:36:30,399 that I was about to be arrested by the American police 718 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,002 for some obscure reason. 719 00:36:33,135 --> 00:36:36,038 Perhaps that's because of reading Kafka's The Trial. 720 00:36:36,339 --> 00:36:38,707 That book influenced me very much. 721 00:36:38,908 --> 00:36:41,710 You know, where someone is arrested for a crime, 722 00:36:41,844 --> 00:36:44,546 and he's never told what crime he's committed. 723 00:36:47,649 --> 00:36:51,153 When I was a kid, and one of the things I really keyed into 724 00:36:51,921 --> 00:36:55,291 was adults at the time would repeat things 725 00:36:55,825 --> 00:36:56,859 over and over again. 726 00:36:57,026 --> 00:36:58,361 For instance, Newsweek magazine, 727 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,162 my dad used to get it all the time. 728 00:37:00,830 --> 00:37:02,465 And we'd be sitting around the dinner table 729 00:37:03,432 --> 00:37:05,434 and he'd say, "Well, you know..." 730 00:37:05,567 --> 00:37:07,702 and then he'd say word for word 731 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:11,941 a sentence that was read from the Newsweek magazine. 732 00:37:14,609 --> 00:37:16,445 So, it was like the magazine 733 00:37:16,912 --> 00:37:19,048 programmed him to say that thing. 734 00:37:19,181 --> 00:37:21,350 This wasn't an original thought that he had. 735 00:37:22,051 --> 00:37:24,487 And that's really where it started, I guess. 736 00:37:24,652 --> 00:37:29,425 You know, in my, like... early childhood, 737 00:37:29,557 --> 00:37:34,763 the concept that the people that I was dealing with were, 738 00:37:34,897 --> 00:37:38,067 I used the term "chemical robots" at the time, 739 00:37:38,566 --> 00:37:42,471 but the concept that they weren't actually conscious. 740 00:37:42,972 --> 00:37:44,807 They had these repeated behaviors 741 00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:46,876 that they would do over and over again. 742 00:37:50,745 --> 00:37:52,014 In his paper, 743 00:37:52,148 --> 00:37:53,715 Nick Bostrom defined a simulation 744 00:37:53,849 --> 00:37:55,985 of the entire mental history of mankind 745 00:37:56,118 --> 00:37:57,987 as an "ancestor simulation" 746 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,857 when estimating the amount of computing power one might need. 747 00:38:03,392 --> 00:38:05,895 Does the idea of ancestor simulations 748 00:38:06,028 --> 00:38:08,064 suggest that we are retracing the steps 749 00:38:08,197 --> 00:38:13,335 of the genuine society that created the simulation? 750 00:38:14,036 --> 00:38:16,571 Well, that's one possibility. 751 00:38:16,704 --> 00:38:18,773 There could also be all kinds of variations 752 00:38:19,707 --> 00:38:21,444 ranging from complete fantasy worlds 753 00:38:21,576 --> 00:38:22,978 that bear no resemblance 754 00:38:23,179 --> 00:38:26,382 to anything that existed in physical reality 755 00:38:26,549 --> 00:38:28,650 to variations of history. 756 00:38:30,585 --> 00:38:34,156 All of that is conceptually possible. 757 00:38:35,091 --> 00:38:38,260 But an ancestor simulation that I talk about in the paper 758 00:38:38,394 --> 00:38:41,197 which is to consider the type of simulation 759 00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:44,699 where the simulators would be creating 760 00:38:45,367 --> 00:38:48,070 very detailed simulations of people like 761 00:38:48,437 --> 00:38:50,638 their historical predecessors. 762 00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:53,342 Maybe not exactly the same people, 763 00:38:53,943 --> 00:38:55,578 but the same kind of people. 764 00:38:56,112 --> 00:38:59,849 Back when I was 9? Nine or 10, 765 00:39:00,216 --> 00:39:02,585 I used to joke about with my brothers and sister 766 00:39:03,018 --> 00:39:05,421 that people would just go home, and just like sit down 767 00:39:05,554 --> 00:39:07,156 and stare at walls while no one was watching. 768 00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:09,091 You know, they would just like... 769 00:39:10,259 --> 00:39:12,561 you know, go home and T-pose, effectively, 770 00:39:13,596 --> 00:39:15,531 in their private spaces when they weren't seen 771 00:39:15,697 --> 00:39:16,664 'cause they would just... 772 00:39:17,533 --> 00:39:19,602 deactivate their programming, I guess. 773 00:39:20,436 --> 00:39:22,938 I used to joke about that, but that idea ran with me 774 00:39:23,072 --> 00:39:24,772 a lot when I was older. 775 00:39:26,609 --> 00:39:28,310 It kind of became a little horrifying 776 00:39:28,776 --> 00:39:30,212 that these people I would talk to, 777 00:39:30,546 --> 00:39:33,382 since nobody was watching, the program would stop working. 778 00:39:44,026 --> 00:39:45,594 Does not assume that 779 00:39:46,462 --> 00:39:49,598 all the details of our world would be simulated 780 00:39:50,399 --> 00:39:52,935 to perfect subatomic precision all the time. 781 00:39:53,335 --> 00:39:55,171 And indeed, that kind of simulation 782 00:39:55,304 --> 00:39:57,772 might well be completely intractable. 783 00:39:58,407 --> 00:40:00,742 Obviously, it depends on the kind of computer power 784 00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:02,144 available in the basement simulators. 785 00:40:02,278 --> 00:40:04,413 If you have infinitely fast computers, sure. 786 00:40:04,746 --> 00:40:06,182 But, no, the idea rather 787 00:40:06,315 --> 00:40:07,850 is that you would be able to create 788 00:40:07,983 --> 00:40:11,420 a simulation capturing only enough that, 789 00:40:12,588 --> 00:40:13,889 to the simulated creatures, 790 00:40:14,023 --> 00:40:15,424 they couldn't tell the difference. 791 00:40:15,658 --> 00:40:18,627 And that would involve some pretty clever footwork 792 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,095 on behalf of the simulators 793 00:40:20,229 --> 00:40:21,964 that they would be able, for example, 794 00:40:22,097 --> 00:40:23,999 to leave more detail in a particular part of reality 795 00:40:24,133 --> 00:40:25,601 when we are paying attention. 796 00:40:25,968 --> 00:40:29,338 But then not simulating all of those details all the time. 797 00:40:31,073 --> 00:40:35,444 I'm occupying maybe 20 square feet? 798 00:40:36,278 --> 00:40:38,847 And yet there's a whole world that exists 799 00:40:39,048 --> 00:40:40,449 because I know about it. 800 00:40:40,916 --> 00:40:42,251 It is here in my brain. 801 00:40:43,018 --> 00:40:45,788 I worked with a company for a little while 802 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:51,060 that launched what is now a very popular app 803 00:40:51,427 --> 00:40:54,563 that is an interactive fiction app. 804 00:40:54,830 --> 00:40:56,632 You know, there's an element of, "Well, it's just like writing 805 00:40:56,764 --> 00:41:00,035 a choose-your-own-adventure. But what became swiftly... 806 00:41:02,037 --> 00:41:03,239 obvious to me... 807 00:41:05,374 --> 00:41:08,344 how simple some of our own decision-making is, 808 00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:10,079 from a coding perspective. 809 00:41:11,213 --> 00:41:13,549 A popular recent Reddit AMA 810 00:41:13,682 --> 00:41:14,917 was with a user who wrote 811 00:41:15,484 --> 00:41:18,320 "I am a real life non-player character." 812 00:41:19,088 --> 00:41:21,724 And... all right, we're all good. 813 00:41:21,991 --> 00:41:24,193 So, a NPC 814 00:41:24,326 --> 00:41:27,896 is a non-player character that you will normally see 815 00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:29,198 in a video game. 816 00:41:29,764 --> 00:41:33,202 They're usually the people that aren't controlled 817 00:41:33,435 --> 00:41:36,372 by the player of the video game. 818 00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:40,442 They are the characters that were programmed in there. 819 00:41:41,577 --> 00:41:44,179 It's kind of like talking to a person in real life, 820 00:41:44,413 --> 00:41:48,217 but they only have a set amount of things that they can say. 821 00:41:48,484 --> 00:41:51,754 Hey, buddy, got a dead cat in there or what? 822 00:41:52,087 --> 00:41:53,555 And you only have specific lines 823 00:41:53,689 --> 00:41:55,958 that you can say back to it in response. 824 00:41:59,194 --> 00:42:01,363 I can only imagine if I was really a gamer, 825 00:42:01,697 --> 00:42:03,766 how I would experience social interaction. 826 00:42:03,932 --> 00:42:07,303 But even as a non-game player, I sometimes find myself 827 00:42:07,469 --> 00:42:10,172 you know, dealing with non-player characters. 828 00:42:10,773 --> 00:42:16,545 I work at a grocery store, and I have a specific... 829 00:42:17,513 --> 00:42:19,481 list of things that I need to accomplish 830 00:42:19,648 --> 00:42:23,018 when greeting a customer and checking out their items. 831 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,856 And because of that, it just made logical sense 832 00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:30,192 that I create kind of a mental script 833 00:42:30,326 --> 00:42:31,960 that I go through with each customer. 834 00:42:32,094 --> 00:42:33,262 When this stimuli happens 835 00:42:33,395 --> 00:42:35,397 to him, generally speaking, 836 00:42:35,597 --> 00:42:36,932 he reacts in this way. 837 00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:39,001 It's not terribly different from 838 00:42:39,401 --> 00:42:41,570 the code that tells the chickens 839 00:42:41,704 --> 00:42:42,971 of Minecraft what to do 840 00:42:43,105 --> 00:42:44,808 or the turtles in Mario Brothers, 841 00:42:44,940 --> 00:42:47,710 or the mosquitoes of me. 842 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:49,211 You know, they're all kind of 843 00:42:49,345 --> 00:42:50,312 operating on the same principles. 844 00:42:50,814 --> 00:42:52,948 If this then that, if not then don't. 845 00:42:53,115 --> 00:42:54,750 It's not too much of a leap to think that 846 00:42:55,017 --> 00:42:56,985 consciousness may mean... 847 00:42:58,788 --> 00:43:00,022 we are being inhabited 848 00:43:00,155 --> 00:43:03,092 by some sort of player-type intelligence. 849 00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:05,527 The reason everyone loves to be like, 850 00:43:05,661 --> 00:43:08,297 "Oh, small world," is because it is, actually. 851 00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:10,199 There just isn't enough processing power 852 00:43:10,332 --> 00:43:13,068 to render seven billion consciousnesses. 853 00:43:13,736 --> 00:43:16,205 There are not seven billion consciousnesses. 854 00:43:16,338 --> 00:43:18,006 Yeah, there might be seven billion 855 00:43:18,173 --> 00:43:20,876 in the general algorithm of how many people are on Earth. 856 00:43:21,043 --> 00:43:22,444 But when you start talking to people, 857 00:43:22,611 --> 00:43:25,381 there's probably like a couple hundred thousand AI's, 858 00:43:25,714 --> 00:43:30,886 that are serving as the substream for the, you know, 859 00:43:31,387 --> 00:43:34,089 "people you know" experience that everyone's having on Earth. 860 00:43:34,223 --> 00:43:36,759 So, when you find that you know the same people, 861 00:43:36,892 --> 00:43:40,095 or six degrees of separation, it's just not a surprise at all. 862 00:43:40,229 --> 00:43:42,231 In fact, it's a flaw in the system. 863 00:43:42,431 --> 00:43:44,868 And that's just the limit of the actual processing power 864 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,069 of the machine that the sims running on. 865 00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:49,238 Well, have you ever encountered 866 00:43:49,772 --> 00:43:51,073 a non-player characters? 867 00:43:51,673 --> 00:43:53,342 I mean, you encounter them all the time 868 00:43:53,475 --> 00:43:54,910 when you're walking down the street 869 00:43:55,043 --> 00:43:56,378 and you don't interact with people. 870 00:43:56,512 --> 00:43:58,380 Like, it's just like in a video game. 871 00:43:58,547 --> 00:44:00,516 It's just, there's much less processing power 872 00:44:00,649 --> 00:44:03,218 being attributed to the automatons. 873 00:44:03,952 --> 00:44:05,287 But once you start interacting, 874 00:44:05,421 --> 00:44:07,523 then something has to actually serve 875 00:44:07,656 --> 00:44:13,228 as the intelligence behind that so-called human. 876 00:44:15,164 --> 00:44:17,733 Society is rapidly secularizing. 877 00:44:17,867 --> 00:44:20,536 You know, religion is completely falling apart. 878 00:44:21,737 --> 00:44:24,473 And there's elements of that that are wonderful. 879 00:44:24,973 --> 00:44:26,375 You know, I think religion plays 880 00:44:27,543 --> 00:44:30,847 an overly restrictive role in people's lives too often. 881 00:44:31,848 --> 00:44:33,715 Certainly, the religion I was raised in does. 882 00:44:34,016 --> 00:44:35,617 But I do know people 883 00:44:36,786 --> 00:44:38,187 from my childhood 884 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,589 in a fairly Evangelical Christian world 885 00:44:41,123 --> 00:44:44,993 who, you know, wanted to... 886 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,029 would've committed violent acts, 887 00:44:47,296 --> 00:44:50,299 if only God... 888 00:44:51,266 --> 00:44:53,168 if only God wouldn't punish them for it. 889 00:44:53,368 --> 00:44:54,904 Now, why it takes God to do that, 890 00:44:55,037 --> 00:44:56,940 as opposed to one's own honor 891 00:44:57,072 --> 00:44:59,174 and self-worth and love for thy neighbor, I don't know. 892 00:44:59,308 --> 00:45:00,676 But that was case for me. 893 00:45:01,243 --> 00:45:02,511 I believe that this thought, 894 00:45:02,678 --> 00:45:04,279 that we are living in a simulation, 895 00:45:04,446 --> 00:45:06,916 I think that is going to just increase in popularity. 896 00:45:07,583 --> 00:45:10,752 And for people who are content to see 897 00:45:10,887 --> 00:45:12,054 both sides of an argument 898 00:45:12,221 --> 00:45:13,989 and that doesn't split our heads in two, 899 00:45:14,623 --> 00:45:17,426 you know, for people who are content to see shades of grey, 900 00:45:17,593 --> 00:45:20,429 I think that's a fine... it's a fine idea. 901 00:45:20,562 --> 00:45:23,131 Because we don't... you know, it doesn't change anything 902 00:45:23,265 --> 00:45:24,766 about my daily life, necessarily. 903 00:45:24,901 --> 00:45:28,136 And it shouldn't. So I find the simulation okay. 904 00:45:28,537 --> 00:45:30,907 So, if I was created by a creator God, okay. 905 00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,542 So, if I'm a random sparking of cells, okay, fine. 906 00:45:33,675 --> 00:45:36,011 It doesn't change much about how I am living day to day. 907 00:45:36,946 --> 00:45:40,148 But there's a lot of people with very absolutist mindsets, 908 00:45:40,415 --> 00:45:44,486 and I think once you tell them, "Hey, you're a simulation," 909 00:45:45,554 --> 00:45:47,689 the nihilistic side of humanity, 910 00:45:47,824 --> 00:45:49,224 their first reaction would be 911 00:45:49,525 --> 00:45:50,994 "Well, it doesn't matter what they do to anyone else, 912 00:45:51,693 --> 00:45:53,897 because I know that I'm real, and I feel it." 913 00:45:54,029 --> 00:45:55,798 But if there's no proof that they're real, 914 00:45:56,833 --> 00:45:59,201 you know, then what's the point of laws? 915 00:45:59,334 --> 00:46:01,169 What's the point of all this, you know? 916 00:46:05,507 --> 00:46:09,678 I do honestly think there is a certain degree of... 917 00:46:11,246 --> 00:46:12,982 inability to separate real world 918 00:46:13,115 --> 00:46:14,116 from digital realities 919 00:46:14,349 --> 00:46:15,852 when you have something like 920 00:46:16,084 --> 00:46:19,187 the shooter in New Zealand live-streaming what he's doing 921 00:46:19,354 --> 00:46:22,391 and going after people like he's in a first-person shooter. 922 00:46:22,558 --> 00:46:25,862 And going after the people who were like Muslims or, you know, 923 00:46:25,995 --> 00:46:27,262 people shoot up synagogues. 924 00:46:27,729 --> 00:46:30,098 Going after someone who is constructed as an "other" 925 00:46:30,232 --> 00:46:32,501 by the media that they consume. 926 00:46:33,803 --> 00:46:37,339 We must meet the threat with our valor, our blood, 927 00:46:37,539 --> 00:46:39,408 indeed, with our very lives 928 00:46:39,775 --> 00:46:42,779 to ensure that human civilization, 929 00:46:42,979 --> 00:46:44,146 not insect, 930 00:46:44,613 --> 00:46:48,483 dominates this galaxy now and always! 931 00:46:49,117 --> 00:46:52,254 However, you end up sort of in that place 932 00:46:52,721 --> 00:46:55,757 where everyone you shoot at just kind of disappears 933 00:46:55,892 --> 00:46:57,492 and they were all pod people, you know, 934 00:46:57,626 --> 00:46:59,494 and they weren't real, or the NPC meme, 935 00:46:59,695 --> 00:47:02,431 you get into a place where you kind of treat reality 936 00:47:02,664 --> 00:47:05,400 like these are digital, disposable bodies. 937 00:47:17,245 --> 00:47:18,815 And so one guy might plug in, 938 00:47:18,948 --> 00:47:20,182 he's Kanye West. 939 00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:22,384 One person might plug in, instead of doing that, 940 00:47:22,517 --> 00:47:25,554 he's Michael Phelps. 941 00:47:25,955 --> 00:47:29,524 They plug in and they play and they stay at the top level 942 00:47:29,658 --> 00:47:32,527 in some way that they can, doing different exploits. 943 00:47:33,261 --> 00:47:35,631 But then you have people who log in, 944 00:47:35,764 --> 00:47:37,766 they used to play a lot and they were really good, 945 00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:39,969 but then they unplugged and didn't come back. 946 00:47:40,103 --> 00:47:42,237 Years and years since they were plugged in our reality 947 00:47:42,371 --> 00:47:45,307 would be a celebrity who was really good, 948 00:47:45,674 --> 00:47:47,776 and then just fell from grace and never really came back. 949 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:51,246 I can't name a specific celebrity here, 950 00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:54,149 plus I don't want to throw that into your film. 951 00:47:54,716 --> 00:47:58,253 Anyway, so they would go totally like, 952 00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:59,755 they'd be going straight 953 00:47:59,922 --> 00:48:01,356 and all of a sudden they'll be doing something 954 00:48:01,490 --> 00:48:02,591 that's totally perpendicular 955 00:48:02,724 --> 00:48:04,192 to their normal behavior patterns. 956 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,830 'Cause in a video game, you're doing it well... 957 00:48:08,831 --> 00:48:10,399 then all of a sudden, you just get bored 958 00:48:10,699 --> 00:48:12,902 and you start doing something totally different. 959 00:48:13,036 --> 00:48:14,336 I've done that myself, you know. 960 00:48:14,469 --> 00:48:15,771 I'm playing Grand Theft Auto and... 961 00:48:16,204 --> 00:48:18,941 you know, you have millions and millions of dollars 962 00:48:19,075 --> 00:48:20,877 and all of a sudden it's like, "Yeah, okay... 963 00:48:21,077 --> 00:48:22,979 I think I'm gonna hole up in this apartment building... 964 00:48:23,112 --> 00:48:25,681 and just see how many police I can get to try to kill me." 965 00:48:26,248 --> 00:48:29,584 You know, then you kind of just go for something crazy. 966 00:48:36,025 --> 00:48:38,460 I once said to my uncle... 967 00:48:39,361 --> 00:48:41,196 "What if this is all fake? 968 00:48:41,396 --> 00:48:42,764 You know, what if none of this is real?" 969 00:48:42,899 --> 00:48:44,801 And he said, "Well, then what's to keep me 970 00:48:44,934 --> 00:48:47,769 from going door to door just shooting people in the head?" 971 00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:51,373 "Or what's to keep me from, you know, shooting you?" 972 00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:56,278 And it always struck me as, "Is that what you want to do?" 973 00:48:56,745 --> 00:49:00,248 "Is the only thing keeping you from doing that 974 00:49:00,783 --> 00:49:04,486 the fact that the world is real and there are consequences?" 975 00:49:06,923 --> 00:49:09,058 Did you see that video of the gentleman 976 00:49:09,192 --> 00:49:10,459 on the East Coast... 977 00:49:11,027 --> 00:49:12,028 West Coast, I'm sorry, 978 00:49:12,461 --> 00:49:14,496 who, he hijacked... 979 00:49:15,965 --> 00:49:18,667 a commercial air flight that was empty? 980 00:49:19,135 --> 00:49:20,235 It was just him onboard, 981 00:49:20,635 --> 00:49:22,604 and he had no training whatsoever. 982 00:49:23,572 --> 00:49:25,774 And he started just flying around the coast. 983 00:49:29,011 --> 00:49:30,479 What the hell? 984 00:49:31,781 --> 00:49:34,217 Oh, my God. What is happening right now? 985 00:49:34,382 --> 00:49:35,484 Did you ever see that? 986 00:49:48,865 --> 00:49:51,100 He's flying and he's talking about things. 987 00:49:51,834 --> 00:49:53,169 This is probably like 988 00:49:53,301 --> 00:49:54,603 jail time for life, huh? 989 00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:57,372 I would hope it is for a guy like me. 990 00:50:03,146 --> 00:50:05,014 One of the things he's doing is 991 00:50:05,815 --> 00:50:07,482 he's kind of breaking people's perceptions 992 00:50:07,616 --> 00:50:11,419 'cause he's doing stuff like, he's doing loops and what not. 993 00:50:11,854 --> 00:50:13,555 He's getting remarkably close to the ground. 994 00:50:13,688 --> 00:50:15,690 He's over the ocean, over the land. 995 00:50:16,192 --> 00:50:17,559 He's doing tricks. 996 00:50:20,797 --> 00:50:22,697 Just flying the plane around, 997 00:50:22,865 --> 00:50:24,499 do you seem comfortable with that? 998 00:50:24,633 --> 00:50:26,035 Oh, hell yeah. It's a blast. 999 00:50:26,202 --> 00:50:28,403 I've played video games before, so... 1000 00:50:28,637 --> 00:50:31,506 I... I know what I'm doing a little bit. 1001 00:50:36,913 --> 00:50:40,348 And this is shortly before he crashes purposefully 1002 00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:43,618 into a, I believe an island. 1003 00:50:45,087 --> 00:50:46,454 Just offshore. 1004 00:50:47,756 --> 00:50:50,525 But yeah, it's nuts, that one of his last thoughts 1005 00:50:50,659 --> 00:50:53,796 is how much it's like a video game to him. 1006 00:50:54,864 --> 00:50:55,764 Then he crashes. 1007 00:51:03,705 --> 00:51:07,310 But yeah, there is a dark side. 1008 00:51:07,442 --> 00:51:08,677 There's people out there 1009 00:51:08,811 --> 00:51:10,478 who are gonna be chaotic about it. 1010 00:51:26,128 --> 00:51:27,897 ...very pronounced impression 1011 00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:32,534 would probably occur to us, to many of us, again and again 1012 00:51:32,734 --> 00:51:34,904 and always without explanation. 1013 00:51:35,171 --> 00:51:40,243 The acute, absolute sensation that we had done once before 1014 00:51:40,709 --> 00:51:42,711 what we were just about to do now. 1015 00:51:42,912 --> 00:51:45,413 We would have the overwhelming impression 1016 00:51:46,082 --> 00:51:50,119 that we were reliving the present. Déjà vu. 1017 00:51:52,255 --> 00:51:53,155 Déjà vu. 1018 00:51:56,025 --> 00:51:58,560 - Switch. Apoc. - What is it? 1019 00:51:58,727 --> 00:52:00,562 A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the matrix. 1020 00:52:00,863 --> 00:52:02,365 It happens when they change something. 1021 00:52:02,899 --> 00:52:05,301 What we need at this point is to locate, 1022 00:52:05,433 --> 00:52:06,701 to bring forth as evidence 1023 00:52:07,036 --> 00:52:09,305 someone who has managed somehow, 1024 00:52:09,571 --> 00:52:10,940 it doesn't matter how, 1025 00:52:11,539 --> 00:52:13,876 to retain memories of a different present. 1026 00:52:14,176 --> 00:52:16,478 Latent, alternate world impressions, 1027 00:52:16,611 --> 00:52:18,580 different in some significant way from this. 1028 00:52:18,915 --> 00:52:20,415 Philip K. Dick might have been 1029 00:52:20,548 --> 00:52:21,817 surprised to learn 1030 00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:23,853 how common memories of a different present 1031 00:52:23,986 --> 00:52:26,355 would become in the 21st Century. 1032 00:52:26,721 --> 00:52:28,858 If you remember a Kit-Kat looking like this... 1033 00:52:29,191 --> 00:52:31,861 then you could be living in an alternate reality. 1034 00:52:32,594 --> 00:52:34,496 Welcome to "Conspiracy Chat N'That." 1035 00:52:34,729 --> 00:52:36,399 Today's topic is the mind-warping, 1036 00:52:36,531 --> 00:52:38,334 reality-bending Mandela Effect. 1037 00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:39,902 It's called the Mandela Effect 1038 00:52:40,036 --> 00:52:42,038 because hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people 1039 00:52:42,171 --> 00:52:45,674 remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison, 1040 00:52:45,808 --> 00:52:47,343 and that actually never happened. 1041 00:52:47,475 --> 00:52:49,278 But hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people are like 1042 00:52:49,412 --> 00:52:51,347 "No, I remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison." 1043 00:52:51,513 --> 00:52:52,747 But like that never happened. 1044 00:52:53,049 --> 00:52:54,616 So, when reports 1045 00:52:54,884 --> 00:52:55,750 of the former South African president's death 1046 00:52:55,885 --> 00:52:57,186 became news in 2013, 1047 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,720 it re-sparked the previous debate 1048 00:52:58,854 --> 00:52:59,822 of whether or not we've somehow slid 1049 00:52:59,956 --> 00:53:01,656 into an alternate timeline. 1050 00:53:01,791 --> 00:53:03,960 The Berenstein Bears children books have changed. 1051 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,995 They used to be called "Berenstein Bears," 1052 00:53:06,128 --> 00:53:07,629 and now they've always been known as 1053 00:53:07,762 --> 00:53:08,798 "The Berenstain Bears". 1054 00:53:09,165 --> 00:53:11,834 Over 10 thousand Mandela effects 1055 00:53:11,968 --> 00:53:14,403 have been logged and confirmed. 1056 00:53:14,602 --> 00:53:15,704 If you go back 1057 00:53:15,838 --> 00:53:17,639 and literally find like a VHS tape 1058 00:53:17,772 --> 00:53:20,508 of like Snow White from 1998 1059 00:53:20,642 --> 00:53:22,211 and you put it in a VHS player, 1060 00:53:22,345 --> 00:53:25,047 they say, "Magic mirror on the wall". 1061 00:53:25,381 --> 00:53:30,353 Tell me! Tell me, bitch, that you do not fucking remember 1062 00:53:30,485 --> 00:53:31,887 "Mirror, mirror on the wall." 1063 00:53:32,021 --> 00:53:33,789 Well, that doesn't exist. Mandela Effect? 1064 00:53:33,923 --> 00:53:36,058 Alternate reality? I think yes! 1065 00:53:51,807 --> 00:53:53,742 When I was young, I lived in Mexico. 1066 00:53:54,776 --> 00:53:56,212 Very young, like 10 years old. 1067 00:53:56,345 --> 00:53:57,679 And then I returned there 1068 00:53:58,114 --> 00:54:00,883 for the summer with my mother once. 1069 00:54:01,716 --> 00:54:03,219 I was 18 years old, 1070 00:54:03,386 --> 00:54:04,987 and I really didn't know anybody. 1071 00:54:05,254 --> 00:54:07,423 I finally get a call from some friends, 1072 00:54:07,857 --> 00:54:09,125 friends of friends. 1073 00:54:09,258 --> 00:54:10,493 These guys pick me up, 1074 00:54:10,658 --> 00:54:14,130 and they're in a 1970 Jeep Wagoneer. 1075 00:54:14,964 --> 00:54:16,432 Big old machine. 1076 00:54:16,765 --> 00:54:19,235 It immediately becomes clear that they have been drinking 1077 00:54:19,368 --> 00:54:22,737 because they say, "Hey, help yourself to a beer." 1078 00:54:22,905 --> 00:54:24,373 And I look in the back of the Wagoneer, 1079 00:54:24,507 --> 00:54:26,208 and there's all these empties rolling around 1080 00:54:26,342 --> 00:54:28,743 and couldn't find a seat belt, and I just said, 1081 00:54:28,878 --> 00:54:30,346 "All right, fuck it," I opened a beer. 1082 00:54:30,946 --> 00:54:33,249 Then, we were driving down a major street 1083 00:54:33,382 --> 00:54:34,784 in a city called Cuernavaca. 1084 00:54:35,184 --> 00:54:37,920 It had a cement divider between the two sides... 1085 00:54:38,054 --> 00:54:39,989 ...and the driver 1086 00:54:40,456 --> 00:54:44,626 for shits and giggles decided to pop... 1087 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,729 in an opening, pop onto the wrong direction 1088 00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:50,598 and drive until there was another opening. 1089 00:54:51,067 --> 00:54:53,035 So we were driving against traffic 1090 00:54:53,269 --> 00:54:54,602 in the wrong side 1091 00:54:55,371 --> 00:54:59,075 and no cars came, you know, we didn't get in an accident. 1092 00:54:59,208 --> 00:55:02,644 So that was the first near miss but I don't count that. 1093 00:55:02,878 --> 00:55:04,146 And so we headed off. 1094 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,915 They... We went to a liquor store. 1095 00:55:06,048 --> 00:55:08,284 They bought some more liquor. 1096 00:55:09,218 --> 00:55:12,254 They said, "What should we do? Let's go to the pyramids." 1097 00:55:12,388 --> 00:55:16,325 So there was a pyramid in town, and so we head over... 1098 00:55:16,459 --> 00:55:19,161 we climb a fence, we're walking on a Mexican pyramid. 1099 00:55:19,761 --> 00:55:21,564 It's, you know, it's... 1100 00:55:22,565 --> 00:55:24,934 kind of an awesome experience in and of itself. 1101 00:55:26,634 --> 00:55:28,104 And they're getting bored. 1102 00:55:28,237 --> 00:55:31,073 They say, "All right, that's it. Let's go home." 1103 00:55:32,674 --> 00:55:34,276 And we get back in the Wagoneer, and in Mexico 1104 00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:35,978 at that time of year, this was summer, 1105 00:55:36,112 --> 00:55:39,048 they have monsoons that last five minutes. 1106 00:55:39,714 --> 00:55:43,751 Now the road's completely wet, and these guys are drunk 1107 00:55:43,886 --> 00:55:46,188 and I'm sitting in the back seat. 1108 00:55:47,456 --> 00:55:50,359 The driver says to the passenger, 1109 00:55:50,493 --> 00:55:54,662 "Hey, man, why don't you take the wheel for a sec?" 1110 00:55:55,197 --> 00:55:56,999 And I'm sitting in the back and I'm like... 1111 00:55:57,500 --> 00:55:59,335 "That's the worst idea I've ever heard!" 1112 00:55:59,468 --> 00:56:02,071 But it's too late, right? It's too late. 1113 00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:05,574 And he grabs the wheel... 1114 00:56:05,707 --> 00:56:08,944 ...and the car hits the side of the road right away, 1115 00:56:09,211 --> 00:56:11,480 but hits the curve and slides... 1116 00:56:11,914 --> 00:56:13,149 So it hits one side of the street 1117 00:56:13,282 --> 00:56:15,251 and slides in the other direction, 1118 00:56:15,417 --> 00:56:17,987 hits another curb and flies through the air... 1119 00:56:19,555 --> 00:56:22,958 ...probably about a thousand feet through the air 1120 00:56:23,092 --> 00:56:25,127 and lands on the roof. 1121 00:56:30,166 --> 00:56:34,036 All the windows shattered, and I broke ribs... 1122 00:56:34,336 --> 00:56:37,506 'cause I took the impact of the roof. 1123 00:56:38,174 --> 00:56:40,876 And gasoline started pouring out of the car, 1124 00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:42,744 and I got the wind knocked out of me. 1125 00:56:42,912 --> 00:56:48,716 I crawled out of the window and got as far away as I could, 1126 00:56:48,851 --> 00:56:51,954 and then a truck pulls up. 1127 00:56:54,156 --> 00:56:57,226 And they say, "Oh, great. Banditos." 1128 00:56:58,861 --> 00:57:01,830 And then another car pulls up, and it's the Federales, 1129 00:57:02,097 --> 00:57:03,698 the Mexican police. 1130 00:57:03,899 --> 00:57:05,467 You know, the banditos just leave. 1131 00:57:05,601 --> 00:57:07,203 And I'm like, "Oh, great, the police are here." 1132 00:57:07,369 --> 00:57:09,071 And they're like, "No, actually, it's worse. 1133 00:57:09,205 --> 00:57:10,539 It's worse that they're here." 1134 00:57:11,073 --> 00:57:13,842 "Once they learn that we've been drinking, 1135 00:57:13,976 --> 00:57:15,511 they're gonna arrest us all, 1136 00:57:15,678 --> 00:57:18,480 and then they're gonna ask for a big bribe for you, 1137 00:57:18,614 --> 00:57:19,782 because you're American." 1138 00:57:20,816 --> 00:57:22,551 So I was standing in the darkness, 1139 00:57:22,952 --> 00:57:25,187 and then another car pulls up. 1140 00:57:25,688 --> 00:57:28,190 A guy gets out, and he says... 1141 00:57:29,291 --> 00:57:32,161 "Excuse me. I am the chief accountant 1142 00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:34,630 of the Cuernavaca Police Department", 1143 00:57:34,897 --> 00:57:36,632 so the local city police. 1144 00:57:37,633 --> 00:57:40,836 And he knows about the corruption of the Federales. 1145 00:57:41,303 --> 00:57:47,109 And my hosts managed to get the information to him 1146 00:57:47,243 --> 00:57:50,913 that they had hidden an American in the darkness. 1147 00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:54,316 And they got me out of there. 1148 00:57:54,984 --> 00:57:57,586 But the whole thing, it seemed so... 1149 00:57:57,886 --> 00:58:01,890 so implausible that I had survived. 1150 00:58:02,291 --> 00:58:05,995 The likelihood of all of that was just so low. 1151 00:58:06,562 --> 00:58:09,265 Somebody's gotta be putting their hand on the scale 1152 00:58:09,431 --> 00:58:11,367 'cause I kinda just looked at it in terms of 1153 00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,536 the algorithm tweaking probabilities, 1154 00:58:14,769 --> 00:58:18,073 so that things are essentially more interesting 1155 00:58:18,941 --> 00:58:20,342 'cause it's a game. 1156 00:58:24,513 --> 00:58:27,983 Okay, so I think the first like "public" place where 1157 00:58:28,117 --> 00:58:31,353 I actually was able to put a name to an idea, 1158 00:58:31,987 --> 00:58:34,990 probably the Matrix movies, you know? 1159 00:58:36,625 --> 00:58:40,763 You can't mention simulation without mentioning that. 1160 00:58:41,764 --> 00:58:44,600 The book he keeps all of his stuff in is... 1161 00:58:45,301 --> 00:58:47,436 what is it called, Simulation & Simulacra? 1162 00:58:49,071 --> 00:58:50,406 It's right there, beginning of the movie, 1163 00:58:50,539 --> 00:58:52,174 just throws it right in your face. 1164 00:58:52,541 --> 00:58:56,178 After the trilogy was over, they released that animation 1165 00:58:56,812 --> 00:58:57,980 The Animatrix. 1166 00:58:58,247 --> 00:59:00,949 Yeah, I think that one really hit it home. 1167 00:59:01,083 --> 00:59:02,217 Like, the idea was planted 1168 00:59:02,351 --> 00:59:04,553 and that thing really pressed on it. 1169 00:59:05,287 --> 00:59:08,824 In Renaissance, Part I and II, it's kinda hosted by 1170 00:59:09,091 --> 00:59:10,993 almost like this technology demigod. 1171 00:59:11,694 --> 00:59:13,562 Just kind of bringing you in and out of reality. 1172 00:59:13,962 --> 00:59:16,865 You know, as far as like what's going on inside the Matrix, 1173 00:59:16,999 --> 00:59:18,500 what's going on outside the Matrix, 1174 00:59:18,634 --> 00:59:21,503 the history of how the simulation was built. 1175 00:59:25,774 --> 00:59:27,209 I moved to Canada, 1176 00:59:27,343 --> 00:59:28,744 I lived in Canada for a couple of months. 1177 00:59:28,977 --> 00:59:34,950 And so my friend from Illinois drives up to Canada, 1178 00:59:35,217 --> 00:59:36,485 we're hanging out. 1179 00:59:36,618 --> 00:59:38,253 "What do you want to see?" "I don't know. 1180 00:59:38,420 --> 00:59:40,856 Let's go and see this dumb Keanu Reeves action film." 1181 00:59:42,991 --> 00:59:44,828 So we go and see this movie 1182 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,495 and it's pretty good, pretty good, pretty good. 1183 00:59:46,628 --> 00:59:48,497 And then he gets out of the tank, 1184 00:59:49,965 --> 00:59:51,533 and we're like, "Whoa!" 1185 00:59:57,940 --> 00:59:59,174 Joshua Cooke 1186 00:59:59,308 --> 01:00:00,844 was a Virginia high school student 1187 01:00:00,976 --> 01:00:02,411 when he heard about the film. 1188 01:00:04,913 --> 01:00:06,982 So, I was riding in a car 1189 01:00:07,282 --> 01:00:10,319 on the way home, and a friend of mine 1190 01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:12,254 - was in the car. - Get in. 1191 01:00:12,488 --> 01:00:14,256 She mentioned this movie 1192 01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:16,658 Matrix that people were going crazy over. 1193 01:00:16,793 --> 01:00:18,394 People were going to the movie theaters 1194 01:00:18,527 --> 01:00:20,262 15 times in a row to see it. 1195 01:00:20,896 --> 01:00:23,565 And that people were getting obsessed about it, 1196 01:00:23,699 --> 01:00:24,700 raving about it. 1197 01:00:24,834 --> 01:00:26,268 "Oh, man, you gotta see it! 1198 01:00:26,568 --> 01:00:28,070 You've never seen anything like it. And the graphics. 1199 01:00:28,203 --> 01:00:29,204 Oh yeah!" 1200 01:00:29,638 --> 01:00:31,173 And then I heard him say something 1201 01:00:31,306 --> 01:00:32,741 about a black trench coat and stuff. 1202 01:00:32,876 --> 01:00:35,611 And that really hit me for a few reasons. 1203 01:00:35,845 --> 01:00:38,213 One is, I had already had a fascination, 1204 01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:40,282 an obsession really, with the black trench coat 1205 01:00:40,649 --> 01:00:42,985 because of the movie The Crow, 1206 01:00:43,452 --> 01:00:45,721 which was my first movie obsession. 1207 01:00:45,889 --> 01:00:48,323 So I went to the Blockbuster Video store. 1208 01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:52,194 And, from the very beginning of the movie, 1209 01:00:53,095 --> 01:00:54,363 it had my attention. 1210 01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:58,567 And it had kind of like a rough, aggressive, 1211 01:00:59,268 --> 01:01:00,870 you know, Rob Zombie, 1212 01:01:01,003 --> 01:01:02,872 heavy metal theme to it. 1213 01:01:03,005 --> 01:01:04,173 The Matrix. 1214 01:01:04,373 --> 01:01:05,574 The soundtrack that makes you go... 1215 01:01:05,741 --> 01:01:06,910 Whoa. 1216 01:01:07,042 --> 01:01:08,043 See, I thought about the structure 1217 01:01:08,177 --> 01:01:09,378 of the whole thing, 1218 01:01:09,511 --> 01:01:11,146 like, what would it be structurally? 1219 01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:13,982 And an idea came to my mind of what it would look like. 1220 01:01:15,751 --> 01:01:18,855 I don't think it's just people in pods somewhere else. 1221 01:01:18,987 --> 01:01:21,623 I think it's something completely different than that. 1222 01:01:22,524 --> 01:01:24,760 I don't know. When I think about it, I think of like 1223 01:01:24,928 --> 01:01:28,096 a giant white, brilliant white marble hallway, right? 1224 01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:29,899 And then there's like a pedestal in the center, 1225 01:01:30,032 --> 01:01:32,401 and this giant black sphere. 1226 01:01:32,936 --> 01:01:36,371 And that black sphere, to these people in this reality, 1227 01:01:37,272 --> 01:01:39,675 that's effectively a computer, you know? 1228 01:01:40,409 --> 01:01:42,110 No, and that computer's running... 1229 01:01:42,377 --> 01:01:44,179 There could be a little art museum card 1230 01:01:44,313 --> 01:01:46,682 next to it that says "Universe... whatever". 1231 01:01:47,316 --> 01:01:50,185 And they just see what happens out of that black mass 1232 01:01:50,652 --> 01:01:53,823 of stars and clouds, and deep, deep, deep down, 1233 01:01:54,356 --> 01:01:55,624 people, like us. 1234 01:01:57,426 --> 01:01:58,760 And then you go on from that model, 1235 01:01:58,895 --> 01:02:02,097 you wonder, "Okay is it important to them?" 1236 01:02:02,397 --> 01:02:04,333 "Are we a very special case 1237 01:02:04,466 --> 01:02:07,436 that the entire reality is focused on?" 1238 01:02:07,703 --> 01:02:08,905 'Cause they're trying to figure out 1239 01:02:09,037 --> 01:02:10,339 what the point of life is, 1240 01:02:10,606 --> 01:02:12,307 and so they just keep rerunning the universe. 1241 01:02:14,476 --> 01:02:18,447 I think what they want us to do is improve upon 1242 01:02:19,414 --> 01:02:21,583 the simulation that they've already made. 1243 01:02:22,184 --> 01:02:25,320 And this was where we get into GANS. 1244 01:02:26,154 --> 01:02:29,291 I don't know if that's how you pronounce it, but G-A-N-S. 1245 01:02:30,827 --> 01:02:33,930 Generative Adversarial Networks. 1246 01:02:34,596 --> 01:02:37,332 Basically, the idea is that you have two AIs... 1247 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,936 and they're competing with each other. 1248 01:02:40,469 --> 01:02:42,371 AI number one is the Forger. 1249 01:02:43,071 --> 01:02:46,675 It wants to make pictures of human beings... 1250 01:02:47,276 --> 01:02:51,346 that look like human beings, enough to fool someone. 1251 01:02:51,747 --> 01:02:54,182 And then you have another one that's the Inspector. 1252 01:02:54,449 --> 01:02:56,285 The Inspector's job is to tell the difference 1253 01:02:56,418 --> 01:02:58,186 between fake pictures of people 1254 01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,856 and actual pictures of people. 1255 01:03:00,355 --> 01:03:02,658 And the two of them just run at each other, 1256 01:03:02,792 --> 01:03:04,027 boom, boom, boom... Trying to fail, 1257 01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:05,795 trying to win, all that... 1258 01:03:06,061 --> 01:03:09,231 until, eventually, you and I look at the pictures, 1259 01:03:09,598 --> 01:03:11,000 and they look real to us 1260 01:03:11,633 --> 01:03:14,269 because they've gone through all these iterations. 1261 01:03:17,539 --> 01:03:21,677 But what are people if not... 1262 01:03:22,411 --> 01:03:24,246 generative adversarial networks? 1263 01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:30,252 Cop tries to solve crime. 1264 01:03:30,452 --> 01:03:32,287 Criminal tries to beat cop. 1265 01:03:32,956 --> 01:03:34,356 I'm gonna kill you. 1266 01:03:35,223 --> 01:03:38,560 You idiot! You made me! 1267 01:03:42,264 --> 01:03:44,067 Hacker tries to hack a system. 1268 01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:46,301 A programmer tries to fix the system. 1269 01:03:46,702 --> 01:03:50,405 Audience gets jaded with this type of media. 1270 01:03:50,539 --> 01:03:51,908 So somebody new comes along 1271 01:03:52,041 --> 01:03:53,642 and tries to make something better. 1272 01:03:53,943 --> 01:03:56,411 We are constantly getting back and forth at each other. 1273 01:03:56,545 --> 01:03:57,746 If you look at social media, 1274 01:03:57,914 --> 01:03:59,782 maybe this is why we're always arguing 1275 01:03:59,916 --> 01:04:05,088 because we exist specifically to refine and hone things. 1276 01:04:05,788 --> 01:04:09,959 In the end, what do we want to create 1277 01:04:10,192 --> 01:04:12,294 if not another simulation? 1278 01:04:17,366 --> 01:04:18,700 Yeah, I mean, 1279 01:04:19,035 --> 01:04:20,535 there were a few lines in there that were pretty deep. 1280 01:04:21,637 --> 01:04:24,040 Neo asked Morpheus, "Why do my eyes hurt?" 1281 01:04:24,874 --> 01:04:28,243 And Morpheus looks at Neo and says... 1282 01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:30,278 "Because you've never used them before." 1283 01:04:31,014 --> 01:04:32,915 Well, I felt the same way. And I felt like, 1284 01:04:33,082 --> 01:04:34,917 "Man, there's gotta be more than this." 1285 01:04:35,350 --> 01:04:36,752 Okay, "You've never used 1286 01:04:36,886 --> 01:04:39,454 your eyes before" when he gets out of the Matrix 1287 01:04:39,588 --> 01:04:41,556 and everything's blurry, 1288 01:04:41,723 --> 01:04:44,593 that's very, very similar to sort of what happens 1289 01:04:44,726 --> 01:04:48,363 in Plato's Cave, when he goes... 1290 01:04:48,764 --> 01:04:50,432 When you're taken outside the cave, 1291 01:04:50,565 --> 01:04:52,601 it takes a while for your eyes to adjust 1292 01:04:52,835 --> 01:04:54,569 to what you're seeing outside the cave. 1293 01:04:54,871 --> 01:04:57,305 And then, when he comes back inside the cave 1294 01:04:57,472 --> 01:04:59,641 he can't see either 1295 01:04:59,775 --> 01:05:02,045 because he's used to seeing things as they really are. 1296 01:05:02,177 --> 01:05:03,745 And so, you know, it says, 1297 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,547 "Oh, and your friends are sort of watching 1298 01:05:05,681 --> 01:05:08,583 on the projection screen, things. 1299 01:05:08,717 --> 01:05:11,888 And they give themselves awards for being the fastest 1300 01:05:12,021 --> 01:05:13,990 and best at spotting what's going on. 1301 01:05:14,123 --> 01:05:16,625 And you just aren't interested in this anymore 1302 01:05:16,758 --> 01:05:18,427 because you've seen so much more." 1303 01:05:18,928 --> 01:05:21,530 It's funny how this just sort of like 1304 01:05:22,031 --> 01:05:25,902 value system that allows us to believe 1305 01:05:26,035 --> 01:05:29,072 that we know something that everyone else doesn't. 1306 01:05:29,471 --> 01:05:31,306 Like also contributes to that othering, 1307 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,708 when he's walking down the street 1308 01:05:32,842 --> 01:05:34,509 and everyone is fake, you know? 1309 01:05:34,643 --> 01:05:36,145 And then, yeah, the person in the red dress, 1310 01:05:36,278 --> 01:05:39,381 and later the guy's like, "Oh, I engineered her." 1311 01:05:40,449 --> 01:05:42,217 Yeah, that seems like... 1312 01:05:42,350 --> 01:05:44,854 that is such a school shooter fantasy. 1313 01:05:47,890 --> 01:05:51,359 You have these unique eyes to see what no one else can see. 1314 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,729 and everyone else is just like... 1315 01:05:54,529 --> 01:05:57,200 they're just asleep. 1316 01:05:57,365 --> 01:06:01,303 Sleep. Sleep. 1317 01:06:02,471 --> 01:06:04,040 Having told you my story 1318 01:06:04,173 --> 01:06:07,944 about when I was a kid, when he got out of the tank... 1319 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,249 the immediate thing that flashed in my mind was, "Okay, 1320 01:06:14,817 --> 01:06:18,253 this is kind of like what happened to me at that point, 1321 01:06:18,788 --> 01:06:20,355 but there was no tank to get out of." 1322 01:06:21,023 --> 01:06:24,961 And I maybe didn't even have a body, per se. 1323 01:06:28,931 --> 01:06:30,499 I went to a store 1324 01:06:30,732 --> 01:06:32,667 in the mall near my house, it's called Hot Topic. 1325 01:06:32,802 --> 01:06:34,302 I don't know if you've ever heard of it. 1326 01:06:34,837 --> 01:06:37,305 And they had all kind of goth wear, 1327 01:06:37,439 --> 01:06:39,142 black clothes, black everything. 1328 01:06:39,775 --> 01:06:44,013 There was a line of trench coats hanging on a rack 1329 01:06:44,279 --> 01:06:45,547 in the corner of the store. 1330 01:06:45,714 --> 01:06:47,549 And I was with my sister, Tiffany. 1331 01:06:47,784 --> 01:06:51,788 And I made a beeline straight for the trench coats, you know. 1332 01:06:52,287 --> 01:06:55,091 I ran. I ran to them and I grabbed one, 1333 01:06:55,258 --> 01:06:57,160 and I held it to my chest real tight... 1334 01:06:57,392 --> 01:06:59,361 like it was like my girlfriend or something. 1335 01:06:59,494 --> 01:07:00,797 It was, you know... 1336 01:07:01,164 --> 01:07:02,330 My sister's looking at me like, "What are you doing? 1337 01:07:03,298 --> 01:07:05,467 Whenever I would be going through something really bad, 1338 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,804 whether it was being bullied at school 1339 01:07:07,937 --> 01:07:09,839 or whether it was being abused at home 1340 01:07:10,206 --> 01:07:12,008 I could escape. I could leave the room. 1341 01:07:12,141 --> 01:07:15,011 I could escape with the black trench coat on. 1342 01:07:15,744 --> 01:07:17,213 It was like the trench coat 1343 01:07:17,345 --> 01:07:19,548 was like a living, breathing organism to me. 1344 01:07:20,348 --> 01:07:22,717 You know. It made me feel... 1345 01:07:24,153 --> 01:07:26,289 when I put it on, it made me feel strong 1346 01:07:27,056 --> 01:07:30,193 it made me feel powerful, unassailable. 1347 01:07:30,358 --> 01:07:32,829 It made me feel closer to Neo than I ever been. 1348 01:07:33,196 --> 01:07:36,866 I would wear the trench coat to the mall mainly. 1349 01:07:36,999 --> 01:07:39,302 I would walk around the mall just all day 1350 01:07:40,303 --> 01:07:43,005 with the Matrix music on my headphones. 1351 01:07:43,139 --> 01:07:45,707 I had the soundtrack... it was in my CD player, 1352 01:07:46,641 --> 01:07:48,144 and people would see me come in, 1353 01:07:48,311 --> 01:07:50,146 and they would just kind of back away, you know. 1354 01:07:50,279 --> 01:07:53,115 And I had this sick thrill of wearing it. 1355 01:07:53,682 --> 01:07:55,750 So being Neo, being Neo was... 1356 01:07:56,319 --> 01:07:58,653 I felt for a long time it actually saved me, 1357 01:07:58,788 --> 01:08:00,555 but 'til a certain point. 1358 01:08:01,290 --> 01:08:03,326 You know, everything that's really happened 1359 01:08:03,458 --> 01:08:05,127 with me has kind of dichotomy, 1360 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:06,628 sometimes a paradox. 1361 01:08:08,197 --> 01:08:10,765 I've probably watched The Matrix movie... 1362 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:12,935 I don't know exact, 1363 01:08:13,102 --> 01:08:14,603 but I know it was hundreds of times. 1364 01:08:14,971 --> 01:08:17,073 After I saw it the first time, I had to watch it again. 1365 01:08:17,505 --> 01:08:18,875 And then I had to watch it again, 1366 01:08:19,008 --> 01:08:20,877 and I watched it again and again and again. 1367 01:08:21,043 --> 01:08:22,644 There were days when I would watch it 1368 01:08:22,777 --> 01:08:24,412 two or three times in a row. 1369 01:08:25,314 --> 01:08:27,682 And like the world that they are in, 1370 01:08:28,184 --> 01:08:32,054 this boring, you know, trite, mundane... 1371 01:08:32,855 --> 01:08:36,325 you know, just sickening world, I felt the same way. 1372 01:08:36,792 --> 01:08:38,526 I just felt like nothing was going right. 1373 01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:39,862 What the hell am I doing here? 1374 01:08:40,096 --> 01:08:41,163 And I felt like, "Man, there's gotta be 1375 01:08:41,297 --> 01:08:42,530 more than this." 1376 01:08:42,932 --> 01:08:44,233 Maybe there's something with this Matrix thing. 1377 01:08:44,633 --> 01:08:46,102 Maybe it's real. 1378 01:08:46,302 --> 01:08:48,938 Maybe it's not so fake after all. You know, who knows? 1379 01:08:58,814 --> 01:09:00,983 One thing I really want you to know, 1380 01:09:01,217 --> 01:09:03,551 these claims can neither be proved 1381 01:09:04,053 --> 01:09:07,089 nor can they be even made to sound rational 1382 01:09:07,223 --> 01:09:08,858 in the usual sense of the word. 1383 01:09:10,092 --> 01:09:12,929 It has taken me over three years to reach the point 1384 01:09:13,062 --> 01:09:14,864 where I am willing to tell anyone 1385 01:09:14,997 --> 01:09:17,599 but my closest friends about my experience 1386 01:09:17,867 --> 01:09:21,569 beginning back at the vernal equinox of 1974. 1387 01:09:26,574 --> 01:09:28,344 One of the reasons motivating me 1388 01:09:28,476 --> 01:09:30,346 to speak about it publicly at last 1389 01:09:30,745 --> 01:09:32,480 to openly make this claim 1390 01:09:32,614 --> 01:09:35,084 is a recent encounter I have undergone 1391 01:09:35,818 --> 01:09:39,621 which, by the way, bears a strange resemblance 1392 01:09:40,189 --> 01:09:42,825 to Hawthorne Abendsen's experience in my novel 1393 01:09:42,959 --> 01:09:45,995 The Man in the High Castle with the woman Juliana Crain. 1394 01:09:51,733 --> 01:09:54,136 Juliana read Abendsen's book about a world 1395 01:09:54,270 --> 01:09:56,839 in which Germany and Japan and Italy... 1396 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,743 Now this is a little difficult if you haven't read the book, 1397 01:10:02,178 --> 01:10:05,680 but he wrote a novel in which Germany, 1398 01:10:06,182 --> 01:10:09,952 Italy and Japan lost World War II. 1399 01:10:10,618 --> 01:10:11,887 And he was living in a world 1400 01:10:12,054 --> 01:10:13,990 in which they had won World War II. 1401 01:10:16,926 --> 01:10:18,094 She felt she should tell him 1402 01:10:18,227 --> 01:10:20,196 what she comprehended about the book. 1403 01:10:21,596 --> 01:10:24,133 In other words, that his novel was true. 1404 01:10:25,533 --> 01:10:27,303 When I was working on Jimmy Corrigan, 1405 01:10:27,436 --> 01:10:29,905 the main character meets his dad, and then his dad dies. 1406 01:10:33,042 --> 01:10:35,177 And as I was working on the story itself, 1407 01:10:35,311 --> 01:10:38,180 I met my dad for the first time and then he died. 1408 01:10:39,915 --> 01:10:41,851 John Updike said something once about... 1409 01:10:42,251 --> 01:10:44,954 about the strange predictability of fiction. 1410 01:10:45,354 --> 01:10:46,989 And he just kinda let it go at that, 1411 01:10:47,123 --> 01:10:48,590 and didn't really follow up on that. 1412 01:10:48,791 --> 01:10:50,259 But there is something when you get into this... 1413 01:10:50,525 --> 01:10:52,061 imaginary world 1414 01:10:52,194 --> 01:10:54,430 of writing stories, or reimagining memories 1415 01:10:54,562 --> 01:10:56,899 where you can kind of start to feel like you're... 1416 01:10:57,632 --> 01:11:01,871 not necessarily predicting the world, but having some play 1417 01:11:02,004 --> 01:11:03,806 in the stream of it, or something. 1418 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,677 For several years, I've had the feeling, a growing feeling, 1419 01:11:10,012 --> 01:11:13,449 that one day a woman, who would be a complete stranger to me, 1420 01:11:13,816 --> 01:11:16,318 would contact me and tell me 1421 01:11:16,584 --> 01:11:19,522 that she had some information to impart to me. 1422 01:11:20,189 --> 01:11:22,124 And then she would appear at my door 1423 01:11:22,458 --> 01:11:25,828 just as Juliana appeared at Hawthorne Abendsen's door. 1424 01:11:26,128 --> 01:11:29,664 She would tell me exactly what Juliana told Abendsen, 1425 01:11:30,032 --> 01:11:33,803 and that is that my book, like his, was in a certain, 1426 01:11:33,936 --> 01:11:36,439 real, literal and physical sense, 1427 01:11:36,571 --> 01:11:38,140 not fiction but the truth. 1428 01:11:40,176 --> 01:11:42,211 Well, this did finally happen to me. 1429 01:11:43,446 --> 01:11:45,848 I even knew that her hair would be black. 1430 01:11:47,917 --> 01:11:49,584 One of the first things that a lot 1431 01:11:49,717 --> 01:11:51,020 of science fiction critics remind you 1432 01:11:51,153 --> 01:11:52,654 when you're talking about science fiction, 1433 01:11:52,788 --> 01:11:54,256 "Science fiction is not about prediction." 1434 01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:56,058 But of course people think about it anyway. 1435 01:11:56,258 --> 01:11:59,228 And Dick has quite a few. Like he's no slacker 1436 01:11:59,361 --> 01:12:03,866 in the actually anticipating the future department, 1437 01:12:04,033 --> 01:12:06,135 especially around consumer gadgets 1438 01:12:06,268 --> 01:12:08,104 and ideas about consumer gadgets. 1439 01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:10,806 But I think what's more prophetic 1440 01:12:10,940 --> 01:12:12,141 is just... 1441 01:12:12,842 --> 01:12:16,345 what if feels like to be alive right now. 1442 01:12:16,678 --> 01:12:21,616 You know, to be confused... ontologically confused. 1443 01:12:21,749 --> 01:12:25,154 Like, I'm not really sure where reality is exactly. 1444 01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:28,723 I'm certainly convinced that there's a lot of 1445 01:12:28,858 --> 01:12:31,293 very dark forces on the rise, 1446 01:12:31,427 --> 01:12:33,796 and there are things that are trying to manipulate me 1447 01:12:34,029 --> 01:12:35,898 using information or using my... 1448 01:12:36,065 --> 01:12:38,501 the fact that I'm still a subject of capitalism, 1449 01:12:38,633 --> 01:12:41,070 and they're kind of manipulating that. 1450 01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:42,770 And, at the same time, there's sort of like 1451 01:12:42,905 --> 01:12:44,507 deeper rumblings 1452 01:12:44,639 --> 01:12:47,843 in the nature of the world that seem really unclear. 1453 01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:52,014 And at the same time, people seem potentially drawn 1454 01:12:52,148 --> 01:12:55,317 into their own sort of solipsistic world 1455 01:12:55,451 --> 01:12:58,020 of like manipulating with the world 1456 01:12:58,154 --> 01:12:59,588 through all these interfaces 1457 01:12:59,721 --> 01:13:01,457 and kind of detaching in a way, 1458 01:13:01,723 --> 01:13:04,126 even at the same time you're completely bound up. 1459 01:13:04,293 --> 01:13:06,295 And that's a primal theme in Dick, 1460 01:13:06,428 --> 01:13:08,864 is the tension between our social reality, 1461 01:13:08,998 --> 01:13:10,866 the reality as a social construction 1462 01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:14,537 that we are always able to kind of fragment away from 1463 01:13:14,702 --> 01:13:17,206 in generally harrowing ways. 1464 01:13:17,339 --> 01:13:20,742 We go into solipsism, we go into psychosis, 1465 01:13:20,976 --> 01:13:22,378 we go into paranoia. 1466 01:13:22,511 --> 01:13:24,446 Hey, guys, I used to be one of you! 1467 01:13:24,813 --> 01:13:26,081 - Stop selling... - And so, 1468 01:13:26,415 --> 01:13:29,751 I think he captures the texture of our life. 1469 01:13:29,885 --> 01:13:32,221 I mean, especially, like, just as a trivial example... 1470 01:13:32,354 --> 01:13:36,192 the texture of like lots of little alerts all the time. 1471 01:13:36,325 --> 01:13:40,062 You know, pings on the phone and here's your e-mail, ding! 1472 01:13:40,196 --> 01:13:41,564 And then, "Oh, don't forget this." 1473 01:13:42,164 --> 01:13:45,201 That kind of mind that's constantly distracted 1474 01:13:45,334 --> 01:13:48,204 by these little bits of information tugging at us. 1475 01:13:48,337 --> 01:13:50,439 Some of which are advertisements trying to like... 1476 01:13:50,738 --> 01:13:52,374 Or you start thinking about a trip 1477 01:13:52,508 --> 01:13:54,476 and then you write somebody an e-mail, 1478 01:13:54,610 --> 01:13:56,145 and Goggle reads your e-mail and then suddenly 1479 01:13:56,278 --> 01:13:58,047 all the adds are like, "Trips! Trips! Trips!" 1480 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,918 It's just like, "Whoa," that fabric of consciousness 1481 01:14:03,118 --> 01:14:06,922 is just straight out of this... 1482 01:14:08,958 --> 01:14:10,292 I remember typing 1483 01:14:10,426 --> 01:14:11,660 "guns for sale" 1484 01:14:11,794 --> 01:14:13,195 on like Google. 1485 01:14:13,929 --> 01:14:15,831 And... In Fairfax, Virginia. 1486 01:14:15,965 --> 01:14:19,134 And I saw this place called Galyan's Sporting Goods Store. 1487 01:14:19,468 --> 01:14:21,237 And I remember... 1488 01:14:22,838 --> 01:14:25,773 like a few days after I looked that up, my father. 1489 01:14:25,908 --> 01:14:27,876 I was in the basement with my father. 1490 01:14:29,011 --> 01:14:30,946 And he said, "I've seen your searches 1491 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,381 for guns for sale." 1492 01:14:33,949 --> 01:14:35,217 And looked at me, 1493 01:14:35,618 --> 01:14:39,054 he had like this worried/angry look on his face. 1494 01:14:40,022 --> 01:14:41,590 And I didn't say anything, and I... 1495 01:14:42,157 --> 01:14:43,993 We looked at each other for a good minute, 1496 01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:46,128 almost like a standoff. 1497 01:14:46,428 --> 01:14:48,364 And then I just walked up the basement steps and left. 1498 01:14:48,497 --> 01:14:50,899 So we never had another conversation about it. 1499 01:14:53,168 --> 01:14:55,271 He had this great line about, that he thought 1500 01:14:55,404 --> 01:14:56,939 that the contemporary world 1501 01:14:57,072 --> 01:14:59,508 was sort of recreating the animist world 1502 01:14:59,642 --> 01:15:02,511 that people, pre-modern people saw. 1503 01:15:04,013 --> 01:15:06,081 And his work captures that sense 1504 01:15:06,215 --> 01:15:10,486 of a kind of profane technological animism, 1505 01:15:10,653 --> 01:15:11,820 and aliveness 1506 01:15:12,187 --> 01:15:14,323 that is not very trustworthy. 1507 01:15:14,723 --> 01:15:15,758 I love you, daddy. 1508 01:15:16,292 --> 01:15:19,094 Dick was always aware of the broken. 1509 01:15:19,228 --> 01:15:22,264 People are broken. Technologies are broken. 1510 01:15:22,398 --> 01:15:25,834 Cosmologies are broken. Gods are broken. 1511 01:15:28,170 --> 01:15:29,638 Even though it seems like other people 1512 01:15:29,772 --> 01:15:31,573 are just always paying attention to like the new 1513 01:15:31,707 --> 01:15:33,542 and how the new technologies can solve this thing... 1514 01:15:33,676 --> 01:15:36,979 Your plastic pal who's fun to be with! 1515 01:15:37,112 --> 01:15:40,683 ...what I experience my technological life is like 1516 01:15:40,816 --> 01:15:42,985 is just a lot of broken things. 1517 01:15:47,456 --> 01:15:49,491 So, you have your giant developers. 1518 01:15:49,625 --> 01:15:51,093 You have Activision Blizzard, 1519 01:15:51,827 --> 01:15:54,563 they do World of Warcraft and Overwatch. 1520 01:15:55,097 --> 01:15:57,599 You have EA, which is... 1521 01:15:59,702 --> 01:16:02,538 I think I've seen EA related to the Nazis 1522 01:16:02,671 --> 01:16:04,840 more than I've seen them related to video games. 1523 01:16:05,374 --> 01:16:06,975 They're pushing out these things now 1524 01:16:07,109 --> 01:16:08,677 where you're paying full price for a video game, 1525 01:16:08,812 --> 01:16:12,114 but you're only getting like 40% of a video game. 1526 01:16:12,581 --> 01:16:17,219 And the portion you get is broken and buggy. 1527 01:16:17,453 --> 01:16:20,656 And sometimes like literally, in the case of some games, 1528 01:16:20,889 --> 01:16:24,660 like I think the latest one was Atlas, it's unplayable. 1529 01:16:24,794 --> 01:16:26,796 Like it's literally dead on arrival. 1530 01:16:26,929 --> 01:16:28,697 People were still paying full price for it 1531 01:16:28,864 --> 01:16:30,999 and getting tricked into it. You can't get refunds. 1532 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,235 They get patches that don't work. 1533 01:16:34,036 --> 01:16:35,137 You're stuck in these digital worlds 1534 01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:36,538 that aren't going so well. 1535 01:16:36,739 --> 01:16:37,873 And then, when you get out of them, 1536 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,308 you're stuck in a reality 1537 01:16:39,441 --> 01:16:40,876 that's not going so well either. 1538 01:16:42,111 --> 01:16:44,079 And you can't help draw parallels. 1539 01:16:44,646 --> 01:16:47,516 The grass is dead on both sides of this thing. 1540 01:16:48,884 --> 01:16:50,586 Perhaps right now, maybe our artifices 1541 01:16:50,886 --> 01:16:53,455 are a little bit more active than we thought. 1542 01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:55,657 And they're just like really hot-fixing a lot of things, 1543 01:16:55,792 --> 01:16:57,960 and they're quick-patching reality right now, 1544 01:16:58,093 --> 01:16:59,261 and it's just like, 1545 01:16:59,428 --> 01:17:00,362 shit's hitting the fan right now. 1546 01:17:01,397 --> 01:17:02,765 That's what's happening 1547 01:17:02,898 --> 01:17:05,667 outside the Matrix in Neo's world, too. 1548 01:17:05,802 --> 01:17:07,102 It's like the real reality, 1549 01:17:07,236 --> 01:17:09,104 if you get outside of the Matrix 1550 01:17:09,571 --> 01:17:10,874 is terrible. 1551 01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:14,109 The real reality is like war, and you can't breathe. 1552 01:17:14,243 --> 01:17:17,012 To me, the subtext of that is maybe there was 1553 01:17:17,379 --> 01:17:19,548 a taboo that we transgressed, 1554 01:17:19,681 --> 01:17:22,384 that we went past the point of no return. 1555 01:17:23,252 --> 01:17:27,689 February 17th, 2003. 1556 01:17:27,923 --> 01:17:29,124 It was a Monday. 1557 01:17:30,993 --> 01:17:33,495 I woke up. There was a whole lot of snow outside 1558 01:17:33,629 --> 01:17:36,231 from a recent blizzard we had just had. 1559 01:17:36,698 --> 01:17:40,837 And I walked downstairs, I saw my father shoveling snow. 1560 01:17:40,969 --> 01:17:44,139 So I got my clothes on and helped him shovel the snow. 1561 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,610 And in the middle of doing that I remember my mother came out 1562 01:17:48,812 --> 01:17:51,613 and she looked up and she said, "There's so much snow. 1563 01:17:51,747 --> 01:17:54,149 We're gonna remember this for a long time." 1564 01:17:55,517 --> 01:17:57,953 I spent the rest of the day in my room 1565 01:17:58,086 --> 01:17:59,889 playing violent video games 1566 01:18:00,022 --> 01:18:03,559 and watching The Matrix movie with my black trench coat on 1567 01:18:03,927 --> 01:18:05,561 and my gun in my hand. 1568 01:18:07,396 --> 01:18:09,331 As evening time continued... 1569 01:18:11,366 --> 01:18:14,536 paranoia sunk in even further. 1570 01:18:15,170 --> 01:18:16,972 Lightning struck my brain. 1571 01:18:18,474 --> 01:18:19,508 And this is what hit me. 1572 01:18:20,209 --> 01:18:24,680 I said to myself, the only way I could find out for sure, 1573 01:18:24,848 --> 01:18:26,982 I could find out for sure 1574 01:18:27,416 --> 01:18:29,151 if the Matrix was real 1575 01:18:29,418 --> 01:18:30,954 and I wasn't losing my mind 1576 01:18:31,687 --> 01:18:35,190 was to simply pick up the phone and call them. 1577 01:18:36,458 --> 01:18:40,797 I left my room and I walked precariously 1578 01:18:41,597 --> 01:18:44,233 over to the house phone in my parents' bedroom. 1579 01:18:58,247 --> 01:19:00,716 I slowly picked the phone up off the hook 1580 01:19:01,316 --> 01:19:04,520 and then, taking a deep, nervous breath 1581 01:19:05,020 --> 01:19:08,023 I spoke those powerful words, his words, 1582 01:19:08,757 --> 01:19:09,926 the final words of Neo, 1583 01:19:10,659 --> 01:19:13,897 "I know you're out there. I can feel you now. 1584 01:19:14,463 --> 01:19:15,832 I know that you're afraid. 1585 01:19:16,966 --> 01:19:20,269 You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. 1586 01:19:21,537 --> 01:19:22,939 I don't know the future. 1587 01:19:23,272 --> 01:19:25,808 I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. 1588 01:19:26,174 --> 01:19:29,611 I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. 1589 01:19:30,445 --> 01:19:31,915 You're gonna hang up this phone, 1590 01:19:32,314 --> 01:19:33,582 and then I'm going to show these people 1591 01:19:33,715 --> 01:19:35,317 what you don't want them to see. 1592 01:19:35,852 --> 01:19:37,152 A world without you. 1593 01:19:37,854 --> 01:19:40,155 A world without rules and controls, 1594 01:19:40,289 --> 01:19:41,490 without borders or boundaries. 1595 01:19:41,723 --> 01:19:44,760 A world where anything's possible. 1596 01:19:47,997 --> 01:19:50,833 Where we go from there is a choice up to you." 1597 01:19:51,099 --> 01:19:52,467 And I hung up the phone 1598 01:19:52,701 --> 01:19:56,039 and I walked calmly back to the TV in my room 1599 01:19:56,405 --> 01:19:58,808 and began watching The Matrix all over again. 1600 01:20:00,776 --> 01:20:03,278 And I remember sitting there on my bed 1601 01:20:03,412 --> 01:20:04,847 looking up at The Matrix poster, 1602 01:20:05,014 --> 01:20:09,151 just saying basically, "Fuck my life," you know? 1603 01:20:09,618 --> 01:20:12,287 I got my shotgun out and I... 1604 01:20:14,556 --> 01:20:17,225 I put some slugs in there, in the chamber... 1605 01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:22,764 and I slid the action forward, and I left my room. 1606 01:20:22,899 --> 01:20:28,437 But before I did, I put a CD player on my head, 1607 01:20:28,871 --> 01:20:30,172 headphones on my head. 1608 01:20:30,305 --> 01:20:31,707 And this one was a little different 1609 01:20:31,841 --> 01:20:33,009 than The Matrix. 1610 01:20:33,308 --> 01:20:35,477 This one was by a band called Drowning Pool. 1611 01:20:36,345 --> 01:20:38,447 The words to the song were, 1612 01:20:38,982 --> 01:20:42,351 "Beaten why for Can't take much more 1613 01:20:42,684 --> 01:20:45,554 Something's got to give Let the bodies hit the floor" 1614 01:20:52,895 --> 01:20:55,631 That's what I was listening to as I left my room 1615 01:20:56,099 --> 01:21:00,202 and I went downstairs to get to the basement. 1616 01:21:20,957 --> 01:21:22,491 And I remember 1617 01:21:22,624 --> 01:21:24,760 when I got to the bottom of the basement stairs 1618 01:21:25,028 --> 01:21:27,462 I saw my mother was sitting there at the computer 1619 01:21:27,629 --> 01:21:28,697 with a smile on her face. 1620 01:21:29,364 --> 01:21:32,935 And she turned, she swiveled in her chair to face me 1621 01:21:33,069 --> 01:21:35,637 and when she saw the gun in my hand, 1622 01:21:35,771 --> 01:21:38,875 which she's seeing for the first time ever, 1623 01:21:39,508 --> 01:21:42,912 her smile disappeared, and I shot her. 1624 01:21:43,512 --> 01:21:44,914 I shot her in the chest. 1625 01:21:45,747 --> 01:21:47,649 And I turned my attention to my father, 1626 01:21:47,784 --> 01:21:49,418 who was on the other side of the basement 1627 01:21:49,685 --> 01:21:53,188 and he dove. He was at his computer, too. 1628 01:21:53,388 --> 01:21:55,091 And he dove under the table, 1629 01:21:55,357 --> 01:21:57,426 and he was looking at me 1630 01:21:57,559 --> 01:22:01,030 with a look I've never seen on him before. 1631 01:22:01,463 --> 01:22:04,266 And just that look of shock and disbelief. 1632 01:22:05,034 --> 01:22:08,403 And I remember I crouched down to be level with him 1633 01:22:08,537 --> 01:22:10,706 and I shot him about three times. 1634 01:22:26,089 --> 01:22:28,825 I went upstairs to reload 1635 01:22:29,257 --> 01:22:30,893 and when I came back down... 1636 01:22:31,593 --> 01:22:34,596 Oh, I still had my headphones on. 1637 01:22:35,098 --> 01:22:37,834 The words that were forced into my ears were, 1638 01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,336 "Skin against skin Blood and bone 1639 01:22:41,804 --> 01:22:44,207 You're all by yourself But you're not alone 1640 01:22:44,673 --> 01:22:46,675 You wanted in Now you're here 1641 01:22:47,043 --> 01:22:49,344 Driven by hate Consumed by fear 1642 01:22:49,745 --> 01:22:51,480 Let the bodies hit the floor" 1643 01:22:52,414 --> 01:22:53,783 That's what I was listening to 1644 01:22:53,950 --> 01:22:55,985 when I went down for the second time 1645 01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:57,319 to the basement. 1646 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,996 I was standing at the top of the basement staircase, 1647 01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:09,966 and my mother was standing at the bottom of the staircase, 1648 01:23:10,665 --> 01:23:12,334 holding her chest as she bled out. 1649 01:23:12,902 --> 01:23:17,907 And I lifted the gun up and I aimed it at her face. 1650 01:23:18,107 --> 01:23:19,942 She looked up at me and she said... 1651 01:23:20,675 --> 01:23:23,179 she said, "Joshua." 1652 01:23:23,846 --> 01:23:25,280 She said, "What did you do?" 1653 01:23:26,215 --> 01:23:30,485 And she kept looking at me for a minute, and she said... 1654 01:23:31,788 --> 01:23:33,022 she said, "You wouldn't." 1655 01:23:33,722 --> 01:23:35,057 And I pulled the trigger. 1656 01:23:37,392 --> 01:23:39,494 When I pulled the trigger and... 1657 01:23:40,662 --> 01:23:41,964 her face exploded. 1658 01:23:43,732 --> 01:23:46,368 Half her face, her eye and her face exploded out 1659 01:23:46,501 --> 01:23:47,469 through the back of her head... 1660 01:23:48,237 --> 01:23:52,241 and her flesh was just turned into like ripplets, 1661 01:23:52,374 --> 01:23:53,608 a bloody mess. 1662 01:23:53,742 --> 01:23:55,812 And it messed me up really bad 1663 01:23:55,945 --> 01:24:00,149 because it wasn't anything like I had seen on The Matrix. 1664 01:24:00,850 --> 01:24:04,319 You know? Real life was so much more horrific. 1665 01:24:04,653 --> 01:24:07,290 It kind of jarred me. I was still pretty numb, 1666 01:24:07,824 --> 01:24:09,491 but I remember it jarring me 1667 01:24:09,724 --> 01:24:12,627 'cause it was different than what I thought of The Matrix. 1668 01:24:15,798 --> 01:24:18,034 So I turned around and I went upstairs 1669 01:24:18,333 --> 01:24:20,937 into the dining room. 1670 01:24:21,170 --> 01:24:23,172 I picked up the phone in the kitchen, 1671 01:24:23,738 --> 01:24:25,574 and my sister was on the phone. 1672 01:24:25,707 --> 01:24:27,076 I didn't realize at the time 1673 01:24:27,210 --> 01:24:29,544 that my sister was on the phone with my father 1674 01:24:30,012 --> 01:24:32,747 at the exact moment that I killed him and my mother. 1675 01:24:33,115 --> 01:24:35,852 She heard the whole thing, and I didn't realize it. 1676 01:24:35,985 --> 01:24:37,053 So here I am, 1677 01:24:37,452 --> 01:24:39,487 I'm at the phone in the kitchen and I said, "Hello?" 1678 01:24:40,189 --> 01:24:43,292 And my sister said, "Josh?" And I said, "Tiffany?" 1679 01:24:43,592 --> 01:24:44,861 I said, "What are you doing here?" 1680 01:24:45,061 --> 01:24:46,628 And she said, "Josh, where's Daddy? 1681 01:24:46,761 --> 01:24:48,097 I wanna talk to Daddy." 1682 01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:50,099 And I told her, I said, 1683 01:24:50,266 --> 01:24:52,335 "Hang up the phone, Tiffany. I gotta call someone." 1684 01:24:53,102 --> 01:24:55,570 And she didn't hang up, so I let the phone hang 1685 01:24:55,704 --> 01:24:59,008 and I went to, my father had a cell phone. 1686 01:24:59,141 --> 01:25:01,344 I went to his cell phone. I went outside. 1687 01:25:02,311 --> 01:25:06,581 I took a Coca-Cola out of the refrigerator 1688 01:25:07,183 --> 01:25:08,550 and I started to drink... 1689 01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:10,019 I popped the top and I started drinking it, 1690 01:25:10,152 --> 01:25:11,586 and I called 911. 1691 01:25:12,654 --> 01:25:14,090 When I hung the phone up... 1692 01:25:15,191 --> 01:25:18,794 I got a call on my dad's phone from a friend of his. 1693 01:25:19,095 --> 01:25:23,698 And my dad's friend said, "Hey, Josh, is your dad there?" 1694 01:25:24,233 --> 01:25:26,768 And I said, "He can't come to the phone right now." 1695 01:25:27,535 --> 01:25:28,838 And he said, "Oh, okay. 1696 01:25:28,971 --> 01:25:30,505 Will you give him a message for me? 1697 01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:31,640 Just tell him I called." 1698 01:25:32,275 --> 01:25:34,676 Said, "Will you give him that message for me?" 1699 01:25:35,278 --> 01:25:36,345 And I said, "Sure." 1700 01:25:37,113 --> 01:25:39,714 And he hung up the phone, I hung up the phone. 1701 01:25:39,882 --> 01:25:41,416 And moments later, 1702 01:25:41,549 --> 01:25:44,387 the police arrived at the driveway of my house 1703 01:25:44,552 --> 01:25:45,955 with their guns drawn. 1704 01:25:46,289 --> 01:25:49,591 About five or six of them with their guns drawn on me... 1705 01:25:50,592 --> 01:25:52,328 told me to get down on my knees, 1706 01:25:52,460 --> 01:25:54,496 and of course they arrested me. 1707 01:26:07,276 --> 01:26:09,045 I, in my stories and novels, 1708 01:26:09,178 --> 01:26:11,113 often write about counterfeit worlds 1709 01:26:11,613 --> 01:26:15,483 semi-real worlds, as well as deranged private worlds 1710 01:26:15,717 --> 01:26:17,954 inhabited often by just one person, 1711 01:26:18,254 --> 01:26:20,222 while meantime the other characters 1712 01:26:20,356 --> 01:26:22,557 either remain in their own worlds throughout 1713 01:26:22,925 --> 01:26:25,828 or are somehow drawn into one of the peculiar ones. 1714 01:26:26,461 --> 01:26:29,932 This theme occurs in the corpus of my 27 years of writing. 1715 01:26:30,433 --> 01:26:32,802 At no time did I have a theoretical 1716 01:26:32,935 --> 01:26:35,670 or conscious explanation for my preoccupation 1717 01:26:35,905 --> 01:26:38,274 with these pluriform pseudo-worlds. 1718 01:26:38,573 --> 01:26:40,376 But now I think I understand. 1719 01:26:40,675 --> 01:26:42,744 What I was sensing was the manifold 1720 01:26:42,878 --> 01:26:46,315 of partially actualized reality lying tangent 1721 01:26:46,449 --> 01:26:49,251 to what evidently is the most actualized one. 1722 01:26:49,584 --> 01:26:54,522 The one which the majority of us by consensus gentium agree on. 1723 01:26:56,392 --> 01:26:57,726 The real nub of it, 1724 01:26:58,194 --> 01:27:01,864 morally, ethically, even kind of cosmologically... 1725 01:27:01,998 --> 01:27:04,166 is how we deal with each other. 1726 01:27:04,566 --> 01:27:06,902 Like, okay I'm in a simulation. 1727 01:27:07,036 --> 01:27:08,804 Okay, I'm in a false, phenomenal world. 1728 01:27:08,938 --> 01:27:11,874 How do I deal with this person I'm in love with? 1729 01:27:12,008 --> 01:27:14,676 How do I deal with this person who is my enemy? 1730 01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:17,313 How do I deal with a dying parent? 1731 01:27:17,579 --> 01:27:20,950 But if I have the hunch that this is a simulation 1732 01:27:21,217 --> 01:27:23,786 and there are other people like me there 1733 01:27:23,919 --> 01:27:26,122 who aren't just simulations, 1734 01:27:26,255 --> 01:27:28,924 it puts weird pressure on my ethics. 1735 01:27:29,492 --> 01:27:32,461 How do I deal with somebody else who's in a false world 1736 01:27:32,627 --> 01:27:36,866 but who's actually behind that avatar is someone like me, 1737 01:27:36,999 --> 01:27:38,801 that I really want to communicate with, 1738 01:27:38,968 --> 01:27:41,170 fall in love with, bond together with. 1739 01:27:41,303 --> 01:27:43,638 And that's really key to Phil Dick. 1740 01:27:43,772 --> 01:27:45,508 Like yeah, Phil Dick was kinda crazy. 1741 01:27:45,774 --> 01:27:48,144 He had visions 1742 01:27:48,277 --> 01:27:49,778 he could never decide what they meant, 1743 01:27:49,945 --> 01:27:52,614 he's neurotic and pathological and paranoid 1744 01:27:52,747 --> 01:27:53,849 and all those things, 1745 01:27:54,083 --> 01:27:56,819 but at the same time, constantly, 1746 01:27:57,053 --> 01:27:58,788 throughout all of the texts, 1747 01:27:59,155 --> 01:28:03,359 there's this very grounded empathy 1748 01:28:03,558 --> 01:28:08,064 with people suffering under these false conditions. 1749 01:28:09,865 --> 01:28:12,334 This very real portrayal, 1750 01:28:12,468 --> 01:28:15,570 very sobering portrayals of human beings that are still... 1751 01:28:15,971 --> 01:28:17,206 they have a heart. 1752 01:28:17,540 --> 01:28:19,875 And that heart is what kind of keeps you going 1753 01:28:20,009 --> 01:28:23,946 as you suffer these various nightmare scenarios 1754 01:28:24,113 --> 01:28:26,482 that he throws your way, including the ultimate one 1755 01:28:26,614 --> 01:28:27,850 of just not knowing. 1756 01:28:28,384 --> 01:28:30,752 And I think that that's one of the ways that people 1757 01:28:30,886 --> 01:28:33,055 get attracted to simulation hypothesis 1758 01:28:33,255 --> 01:28:36,624 is because it seems to maybe solve problems. 1759 01:28:37,259 --> 01:28:40,595 But I think it just makes the problems even more... 1760 01:28:41,363 --> 01:28:44,133 you know, kind of poignant and in your face. 1761 01:28:47,436 --> 01:28:49,704 So when I met my lawyers 1762 01:28:49,839 --> 01:28:52,308 for the first time in Fairfax jail 1763 01:28:52,441 --> 01:28:55,777 they asked me about my crime and... 1764 01:28:55,945 --> 01:28:57,346 and I told them I said, 1765 01:28:57,612 --> 01:28:59,448 "I did my thing just like Neo in The Matrix. 1766 01:29:00,182 --> 01:29:02,218 Like I was in virtual reality." 1767 01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:06,789 And that really took them by surprise. 1768 01:29:06,922 --> 01:29:08,090 They weren't expecting that. 1769 01:29:08,524 --> 01:29:10,993 I also told them that the moment of my crime, 1770 01:29:11,794 --> 01:29:13,761 I had also felt a tinge of remorse, 1771 01:29:14,163 --> 01:29:16,764 because it was two strong things 1772 01:29:16,899 --> 01:29:18,300 at the same time, 1773 01:29:18,534 --> 01:29:21,070 that I was entering the world, or exiting the world 1774 01:29:21,203 --> 01:29:22,238 of the Matrix. 1775 01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:25,007 And then real life, with what I did to my parents. 1776 01:29:26,041 --> 01:29:28,244 My lawyers later went to my house, 1777 01:29:28,444 --> 01:29:30,212 and they went upstairs to my room 1778 01:29:30,346 --> 01:29:35,951 and they saw my enormous Matrix movie poster on my wall. 1779 01:29:36,385 --> 01:29:38,187 And they saw my black trench coat 1780 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,556 laying out on my bed, smoothed out on my bed. 1781 01:29:40,688 --> 01:29:42,057 They saw my black boots. 1782 01:29:42,958 --> 01:29:44,426 The ones like Neo wore. 1783 01:29:45,528 --> 01:29:46,896 And they began to think 1784 01:29:47,263 --> 01:29:50,232 that they may have an insanity defense. 1785 01:29:53,235 --> 01:29:56,605 They said that I, quote, "Harbored a bona fide belief 1786 01:29:56,738 --> 01:29:59,774 that I was living in the virtual world of The Matrix 1787 01:30:00,209 --> 01:30:01,743 at the time of the murders." 1788 01:30:02,545 --> 01:30:04,180 That was part of my defense. 1789 01:30:05,314 --> 01:30:07,516 - This isn't real? - What is real? 1790 01:30:07,749 --> 01:30:09,485 Which was later dubbed 1791 01:30:09,618 --> 01:30:10,685 The Matrix Defense. 1792 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,254 The Matrix Defense 1793 01:30:12,388 --> 01:30:14,123 is a version of the insanity defense 1794 01:30:14,290 --> 01:30:16,659 and is a descendant of The Taxi Driver Defense 1795 01:30:16,792 --> 01:30:17,826 of John Hinckley. 1796 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,064 It has been used multiple times since Joshua's trial, 1797 01:30:22,298 --> 01:30:26,468 most notably by Lee Malvo, aka The D.C. Sniper. 1798 01:30:27,303 --> 01:30:29,171 The doctor, the psychologist, 1799 01:30:29,905 --> 01:30:31,574 Dr. Shostak, he diagnosed me 1800 01:30:31,706 --> 01:30:34,310 with a form of schizophrenia called simple schizophrenia, 1801 01:30:34,510 --> 01:30:36,579 and that's when he made the declaration 1802 01:30:36,711 --> 01:30:39,747 that people are scarcely real to me and things like that. 1803 01:30:40,683 --> 01:30:43,886 There were different events that happened in my life, 1804 01:30:44,453 --> 01:30:47,623 different things I was feeling that were in a combination 1805 01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:49,491 led up to me exploding. 1806 01:30:50,526 --> 01:30:51,961 The abuse I had been suffering 1807 01:30:52,094 --> 01:30:54,230 from my parents at home for many, many years. 1808 01:30:54,430 --> 01:30:56,198 And then I had the bullying at school 1809 01:30:56,599 --> 01:31:00,436 and the undiagnosed mental illness I had for years. 1810 01:31:00,569 --> 01:31:01,971 And all of that together 1811 01:31:02,104 --> 01:31:03,973 kind of formed a ticking time bomb. 1812 01:31:04,772 --> 01:31:06,408 I call it the perfect storm. 1813 01:31:06,542 --> 01:31:12,014 But I, myself, I never made any excuses for my crime. 1814 01:31:12,381 --> 01:31:14,516 And I just wanted to die, you know? 1815 01:31:14,650 --> 01:31:17,586 It was like, just forget about all of this stuff, you know. 1816 01:31:18,254 --> 01:31:19,455 And as a matter of fact, 1817 01:31:19,588 --> 01:31:21,090 at the end of my sentence hearing 1818 01:31:21,223 --> 01:31:23,559 I got to say a written statement 1819 01:31:23,692 --> 01:31:25,160 to the judge out loud there. 1820 01:31:25,294 --> 01:31:28,264 And there I just, I told him that 1821 01:31:28,697 --> 01:31:29,898 I wasn't making any excuses, 1822 01:31:30,032 --> 01:31:31,433 and I deserved the death penalty, 1823 01:31:31,567 --> 01:31:32,468 I deserved to die. 1824 01:31:33,102 --> 01:31:35,404 And I think about what I did every day. 1825 01:31:35,604 --> 01:31:37,606 I wish I could take it back. You know? 1826 01:31:38,307 --> 01:31:40,409 Ultimately, Joshua decided not 1827 01:31:40,542 --> 01:31:43,045 to pursue The Matrix Defense and pled guilty. 1828 01:31:43,612 --> 01:31:46,015 He was 19 years old when convicted. 1829 01:31:46,682 --> 01:31:50,519 He is not due to be released until 2043. 1830 01:31:52,087 --> 01:31:53,622 The movie, The Matrix movie 1831 01:31:53,756 --> 01:31:56,091 has affected people in all sorts of different ways. 1832 01:31:56,292 --> 01:31:57,960 It all depends on where you're coming from 1833 01:31:58,093 --> 01:31:59,228 and the psychology of it. 1834 01:31:59,762 --> 01:32:01,930 Mine is just kind of an extreme case. 1835 01:32:02,665 --> 01:32:04,700 There are people out there today 1836 01:32:05,134 --> 01:32:06,635 who may be listening to this 1837 01:32:06,769 --> 01:32:09,338 that are going through the same things that I was. 1838 01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:11,440 And this is the whole reason why 1839 01:32:11,573 --> 01:32:13,776 I'm even talking about this today 1840 01:32:14,410 --> 01:32:17,146 because I know I have a purpose, 1841 01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:19,348 a calling in my life to try to reach them. 1842 01:32:20,349 --> 01:32:22,951 Joshua wrote a book about his experience 1843 01:32:23,085 --> 01:32:25,087 in hopes of reaching other troubled kids 1844 01:32:25,220 --> 01:32:28,090 and stopping them from repeating his mistakes. 1845 01:32:29,725 --> 01:32:31,894 Now that I'm in my mid-40's... 1846 01:32:32,661 --> 01:32:36,365 I am actually finally able to deal with people 1847 01:32:36,498 --> 01:32:37,433 as human beings. 1848 01:32:38,267 --> 01:32:39,935 And you could think of it one way, 1849 01:32:40,135 --> 01:32:42,538 if people are simulated, they're getting better 1850 01:32:42,671 --> 01:32:44,006 and they're easier to relate to, 1851 01:32:44,139 --> 01:32:47,476 but is it possible that I saw everyone 1852 01:32:47,609 --> 01:32:50,612 as these sort of robotic humans walking around 1853 01:32:50,879 --> 01:32:53,248 because I couldn't figure them out 1854 01:32:53,415 --> 01:32:55,250 because of a problem with my brain? 1855 01:32:55,684 --> 01:32:56,885 And that's the thing, 1856 01:32:57,052 --> 01:32:59,121 I never wanna get locked into the idea 1857 01:32:59,254 --> 01:33:00,456 that this is all fake 1858 01:33:00,723 --> 01:33:02,391 if in fact the reason I thought it was fake 1859 01:33:02,524 --> 01:33:05,260 is because it was an easier way for me to deal 1860 01:33:05,394 --> 01:33:08,163 with the complexity of human existence. 1861 01:33:09,465 --> 01:33:15,871 I feel like being fully in the body with another 1862 01:33:16,472 --> 01:33:19,408 is like sort of maybe like seeing the light, you know? 1863 01:33:19,541 --> 01:33:22,611 It's the "petite mort" of orgasm. 1864 01:33:22,745 --> 01:33:25,981 Or just like the fusing of consciousness with an other. 1865 01:33:26,115 --> 01:33:27,549 Audre Lorde talks about the erotic. 1866 01:33:27,683 --> 01:33:33,055 And I think the erotic as a dynamic in reality 1867 01:33:33,188 --> 01:33:35,457 is an antidote to solipsism. 1868 01:33:35,591 --> 01:33:37,626 It's an antidote to a lack of empathy. 1869 01:33:37,794 --> 01:33:39,261 Because it allows us to sort of 1870 01:33:39,395 --> 01:33:42,030 have a playful relationship to the other. 1871 01:33:42,297 --> 01:33:44,533 There's that scene in The Matrix Reloaded 1872 01:33:44,666 --> 01:33:48,170 where Morpheus gives a speech and tells everyone 1873 01:33:48,303 --> 01:33:49,938 that they're about to be attacked 1874 01:33:50,072 --> 01:33:51,273 by the machines. 1875 01:33:51,507 --> 01:33:53,409 This might be their last night alive. 1876 01:33:53,776 --> 01:33:57,646 The machines have gathered an army, and as I speak 1877 01:33:58,113 --> 01:34:00,749 that army is drawing nearer to our home. 1878 01:34:04,086 --> 01:34:05,421 So, what do they do? 1879 01:34:05,822 --> 01:34:07,623 They play music. They dance. 1880 01:34:07,824 --> 01:34:11,059 And in the midst of this stew of flesh... 1881 01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,531 Trinity and Neo sneak off to this catacomb and make love. 1882 01:34:16,298 --> 01:34:18,467 This is a scene that gets parodied a lot. 1883 01:34:18,634 --> 01:34:20,736 I think it's easy to not take it seriously 1884 01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:22,137 because it's so earnest. 1885 01:34:22,839 --> 01:34:24,273 But it's also very tender. 1886 01:34:24,506 --> 01:34:26,575 It shows the characters at their most vulnerable 1887 01:34:26,708 --> 01:34:27,709 with each other. 1888 01:34:28,343 --> 01:34:31,613 Neo tells Trinity that he's afraid of losing her. 1889 01:34:32,014 --> 01:34:36,018 And she says, "You're not gonna lose me." 1890 01:34:36,385 --> 01:34:38,620 She holds his hand, "You feel this?" 1891 01:34:40,255 --> 01:34:41,990 "I'm never letting go." 1892 01:34:42,658 --> 01:34:43,692 That's love. 1893 01:34:44,359 --> 01:34:46,728 You have to be very vulnerable to feel it. 1894 01:34:47,763 --> 01:34:51,200 I think loneliness and isolation and trauma 1895 01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:53,635 play very heavily in the kinds of realities 1896 01:34:53,769 --> 01:34:56,071 that people construct for themselves. 1897 01:35:00,776 --> 01:35:02,478 And if there's a player 1898 01:35:02,611 --> 01:35:05,314 that is responsible for me and is playing me... 1899 01:35:06,615 --> 01:35:09,919 then, you know, maybe he's a genius, 1900 01:35:10,118 --> 01:35:11,987 but maybe he's like a 12-year-old kid. 1901 01:35:13,689 --> 01:35:16,992 So the thing I've gotta do is I've gotta keep leveling up 1902 01:35:17,259 --> 01:35:19,394 and I've gotta stay interesting for him. 1903 01:35:20,128 --> 01:35:22,698 Do you make different choices than you might 1904 01:35:22,832 --> 01:35:25,434 otherwise in order to keep your player interested? 1905 01:35:25,734 --> 01:35:27,236 The way I think about is, you know, 1906 01:35:27,369 --> 01:35:28,604 if you're playing a video game 1907 01:35:28,938 --> 01:35:31,240 and sometimes you see like a giant blinking cursor 1908 01:35:31,373 --> 01:35:32,774 telling you to go to a certain place. 1909 01:35:32,909 --> 01:35:34,510 I keep looking for those. 1910 01:35:34,643 --> 01:35:37,312 And when I see one, I'll stop and I'll pause and I'll say... 1911 01:35:37,847 --> 01:35:40,282 "Thank you for that," and I'll, you know... 1912 01:35:40,449 --> 01:35:41,784 And then every once in a while, 1913 01:35:41,918 --> 01:35:43,285 I'll just make a completely batshit decision 1914 01:35:43,418 --> 01:35:45,153 that no one seems to understand. 1915 01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,155 Including myself! Like, "Well, well, well!" 1916 01:35:47,289 --> 01:35:48,390 I hope you're interested. 1917 01:35:48,524 --> 01:35:49,792 Just like all the other theories, 1918 01:35:49,926 --> 01:35:52,728 no one's gonna know until they're dead. 1919 01:35:54,696 --> 01:35:57,332 And I don't believe that it's flawed enough 1920 01:35:57,466 --> 01:35:59,201 that it could somehow tear... 1921 01:35:59,836 --> 01:36:04,039 and we'd find ourselves exposed out of The Matrix. 1922 01:36:04,506 --> 01:36:05,942 I don't think that's how it works. 1923 01:36:06,074 --> 01:36:08,310 I think that it's a solid system. 1924 01:36:08,443 --> 01:36:11,046 And whatever it is, ends when you die. 1925 01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,516 But it's totally plausible that you then wake up 1926 01:36:14,884 --> 01:36:18,487 in an arcade in the year 3000 and put another quarter in 1927 01:36:18,620 --> 01:36:21,423 and do another life on Earth in the year 2019, you know? 1928 01:36:21,657 --> 01:36:23,960 There are these kind of fundamental metaphors 1929 01:36:24,092 --> 01:36:28,664 about reality that we develop through being humans 1930 01:36:28,798 --> 01:36:31,667 moving through time and space on a planet. 1931 01:36:31,868 --> 01:36:35,671 So the metaphor of the journey, "Life is like a journey." 1932 01:36:35,905 --> 01:36:38,674 Well, another one we have, and we all have it is, 1933 01:36:38,942 --> 01:36:41,577 waking up from a dream. 1934 01:36:44,246 --> 01:36:47,516 "What? Oh, I'm in this world!" 1935 01:36:47,716 --> 01:36:51,821 And just that. Not what the nature of this world was, 1936 01:36:51,955 --> 01:36:53,322 or the nature of that world is. 1937 01:36:53,555 --> 01:36:56,391 We have this fundamental cognitive experience 1938 01:36:57,125 --> 01:36:59,862 of shifting between ontological frames, 1939 01:36:59,996 --> 01:37:01,463 sometimes quite abruptly. 1940 01:37:01,630 --> 01:37:03,365 Sometimes with intense emotions. 1941 01:37:03,632 --> 01:37:05,267 And this is just stitched into us. 1942 01:37:05,802 --> 01:37:09,738 So it's a fundamental hunch that we all have 1943 01:37:10,238 --> 01:37:12,474 that the world is not what it seems. 1944 01:37:12,641 --> 01:37:14,242 There's another world behind this world, 1945 01:37:14,376 --> 01:37:15,812 or at the very least, 1946 01:37:16,144 --> 01:37:18,982 this world is capable of falling apart. 1947 01:37:19,114 --> 01:37:20,850 - What's happening? - Nothing. 1948 01:37:21,516 --> 01:37:22,819 I don't know, does thinking about 1949 01:37:22,952 --> 01:37:24,586 the simulation, does that excite you? 1950 01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,423 Or does it sometimes fill you with unease? 1951 01:37:33,062 --> 01:37:34,229 Well, I guess... 1952 01:37:36,065 --> 01:37:39,735 I've had this simulation argument 1953 01:37:39,869 --> 01:37:43,138 for so long now that it's hard to sort of 1954 01:37:43,639 --> 01:37:45,140 consider the counter faction. 1955 01:37:45,374 --> 01:37:47,142 'Cause it's kind of become so much a part of 1956 01:37:47,643 --> 01:37:49,946 the way I view the world, 1957 01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:51,179 the simulation argument. 1958 01:37:53,883 --> 01:37:54,851 I do think that... 1959 01:37:57,352 --> 01:38:00,790 it makes it quite... 1960 01:38:04,192 --> 01:38:05,460 compelling that 1961 01:38:05,862 --> 01:38:09,431 this very general notion, that there are more things... 1962 01:38:12,035 --> 01:38:13,168 in heaven and on earth 1963 01:38:13,803 --> 01:38:15,905 than are dreamt of in our philosophy. 1964 01:38:16,072 --> 01:38:20,275 This sense that we are plausibly very, very limited 1965 01:38:21,044 --> 01:38:23,645 in our understanding of what the heck is going on. 1966 01:38:25,148 --> 01:38:28,350 We have made progress in that maybe we have figured out, 1967 01:38:29,085 --> 01:38:31,620 you know, six of the 10 things you need to have figured out 1968 01:38:31,753 --> 01:38:33,221 to really know what's going on. 1969 01:38:33,588 --> 01:38:36,159 But the thing is that each of the remaining four things 1970 01:38:36,725 --> 01:38:38,861 might so radically change the conclusions 1971 01:38:39,896 --> 01:38:41,430 that, until we get them all right, 1972 01:38:41,563 --> 01:38:43,231 maybe we are as lost 1973 01:38:43,365 --> 01:38:46,234 as you would be if you only knew one or zero. 1974 01:38:55,677 --> 01:38:57,279 I was lying in bed, I was thinking about it. 1975 01:38:57,412 --> 01:38:58,747 So hypothetically, 1976 01:38:58,881 --> 01:39:01,416 what if tomorrow I dress in all white 1977 01:39:01,550 --> 01:39:03,452 I slick my hair back, and I'm like, "Hey," 1978 01:39:03,618 --> 01:39:05,253 I tell the local media, 1979 01:39:05,888 --> 01:39:08,457 "Here's the message that we should be good to each other, 1980 01:39:08,590 --> 01:39:10,258 I'm starting a new thing." 1981 01:39:10,860 --> 01:39:12,728 Building up almost like a religion, 1982 01:39:12,862 --> 01:39:14,396 or just more of a philosophy of, 1983 01:39:14,529 --> 01:39:15,865 "Hey, we are in a simulation, 1984 01:39:16,132 --> 01:39:19,701 so let's, let's try and gain the attention of those people." 1985 01:39:20,569 --> 01:39:22,404 Now, those entities are running the thing. 1986 01:39:23,005 --> 01:39:25,373 So going forth here, we could do things like, 1987 01:39:25,908 --> 01:39:28,710 you know, gigantic light, like... 1988 01:39:30,146 --> 01:39:31,914 simultaneous light displays, 1989 01:39:33,715 --> 01:39:36,953 giant monuments, just a giant tablet that says, 1990 01:39:37,086 --> 01:39:40,455 "Hey, we know..." or something profound. 1991 01:39:41,224 --> 01:39:44,526 And then in unison just flashing lights out. 1992 01:39:44,659 --> 01:39:47,395 So, one person walks by this black sphere 1993 01:39:47,529 --> 01:39:50,800 in their great artificer hallway 1994 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,835 and all of a sudden there's a red light blinking 1995 01:39:52,969 --> 01:39:54,937 that was never there before. They'd be like, "Oh, hey. 1996 01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:59,374 Experiment whatever is talking to us." 1997 01:39:59,976 --> 01:40:02,544 I mean, who knows, if we just keep going with it 1998 01:40:02,677 --> 01:40:04,180 and going with it and going with it. 1999 01:40:04,346 --> 01:40:09,786 Do things like organize Earth in a more watchful pattern 2000 01:40:09,919 --> 01:40:11,586 to get ourselves spread over the universe. 2001 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,257 'Cause the larger screen we have to display our message, 2002 01:40:14,389 --> 01:40:16,291 the more attention we'll get. 2003 01:40:20,797 --> 01:40:21,898 You're dreaming. 2004 01:40:23,166 --> 01:40:25,734 Doug, was it about Mars? 2005 01:40:30,505 --> 01:40:32,074 Becoming a multi-planet species 2006 01:40:32,809 --> 01:40:35,510 beats the hell out of being a single-planet species. 2007 01:40:36,411 --> 01:40:37,546 Then we get to, like... 2008 01:40:38,114 --> 01:40:40,850 Star Wars levels of spread across the galaxy. 2009 01:40:41,117 --> 01:40:43,019 Perhaps our science will progress enough 2010 01:40:43,186 --> 01:40:44,153 where we can actually 2011 01:40:44,486 --> 01:40:46,555 tap on the membrane between... 2012 01:40:47,223 --> 01:40:50,293 the universe and what's beyond it 2013 01:40:50,492 --> 01:40:51,828 and perhaps get a message out, 2014 01:40:51,961 --> 01:40:54,696 an active message to an active listener. 2015 01:40:55,064 --> 01:40:56,799 I don't like to fuss or moan, 2016 01:40:56,933 --> 01:40:58,935 but if it weren't for you, 2017 01:40:59,401 --> 01:41:00,837 I'd be all, all alone. 2018 01:41:01,871 --> 01:41:03,672 It would be hilarious if we were something stupid, 2019 01:41:03,806 --> 01:41:05,640 like, you know how computers are in everything. 2020 01:41:07,310 --> 01:41:10,913 I mean, there's a computer... this is a vape tank. 2021 01:41:11,180 --> 01:41:13,983 There's a computer in here. There's a microchip in here. 2022 01:41:14,416 --> 01:41:15,885 But if we're something like... 2023 01:41:16,953 --> 01:41:18,420 one of the numerous computer devices 2024 01:41:18,553 --> 01:41:21,423 that's been thrown into a basket somewhere 2025 01:41:21,656 --> 01:41:22,792 'cause you have too much crap. 2026 01:41:23,391 --> 01:41:25,228 That would suck, 'cause then we would never be found. 2027 01:41:25,995 --> 01:41:29,397 Maybe this whole project that you're doing, right, 2028 01:41:29,799 --> 01:41:33,635 is the simulation sort of flirting with you, if you will. 2029 01:41:33,768 --> 01:41:36,172 Like it's going, "Hey, I'm gonna go ahead 2030 01:41:36,305 --> 01:41:37,672 and let you see a little bit 2031 01:41:38,573 --> 01:41:40,076 what I've got going on under here. 2032 01:41:40,276 --> 01:41:44,446 And I'm okay with it as long as you respect me." 2033 01:41:46,916 --> 01:41:50,786 What if the simulation is like anesthesia? 2034 01:41:51,486 --> 01:41:53,122 Imagine, if you will, 2035 01:41:53,622 --> 01:41:56,025 that you're going through surgery... 2036 01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,760 and all of a sudden somebody 2037 01:41:58,895 --> 01:41:59,728 introduces something in your bloodstream 2038 01:41:59,862 --> 01:42:01,663 that totally makes 2039 01:42:01,797 --> 01:42:04,200 the anesthetic go away. 2040 01:42:04,333 --> 01:42:05,700 Your chest cavity's open, 2041 01:42:05,835 --> 01:42:07,169 there's somebody with their hand in it 2042 01:42:07,303 --> 01:42:08,905 and they're trying to massage your heart. 2043 01:42:09,038 --> 01:42:10,806 And all of a sudden you're back, lucid, 2044 01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,042 all the pain in the world, and everything like that. 2045 01:42:13,209 --> 01:42:14,676 You're gonna mess up that surgery 2046 01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:16,012 by freaking out and flipping around 2047 01:42:16,145 --> 01:42:17,346 and all that. 2048 01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:18,915 Maybe that's what the simulation is. 2049 01:42:19,048 --> 01:42:21,516 And by putting this project out there, 2050 01:42:21,951 --> 01:42:23,819 we're messing up big time 2051 01:42:24,186 --> 01:42:25,955 and you're gonna cause a lot of damage. 2052 01:42:30,326 --> 01:42:31,593 The other option, though, 2053 01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:36,165 maybe this is the... the key, if you will. 2054 01:42:36,832 --> 01:42:40,769 Maybe this is a situation where the simulation is bad, 2055 01:42:41,304 --> 01:42:45,141 we shouldn't be in it, and this is a failsafe. 2056 01:42:49,245 --> 01:42:51,080 So the person watching this goes, 2057 01:42:51,314 --> 01:42:53,916 "Oh, maybe that's what's happening with me." 2058 01:42:55,717 --> 01:42:57,519 And maybe, who knows, you know, 2059 01:42:57,652 --> 01:43:01,290 they're in suspended animation somewhere. 2060 01:43:02,358 --> 01:43:03,725 They're the ones who are supposed 2061 01:43:03,893 --> 01:43:05,227 to pilot the ship. 2062 01:43:05,428 --> 01:43:07,729 They're knocked out. They're not responsive. 2063 01:43:08,130 --> 01:43:12,268 And so they create this movie for them to watch 2064 01:43:12,401 --> 01:43:14,904 so that they start questioning reality, 2065 01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:19,075 and therefore get out of it. 2066 01:43:57,913 --> 01:44:01,183 I have, through dreaming and waking up, 2067 01:44:01,516 --> 01:44:03,518 lived thousands of different lifetimes. 2068 01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:07,456 And so I'm not afraid of what happens 2069 01:44:07,589 --> 01:44:09,091 when the simulation ends. 2070 01:44:09,458 --> 01:44:14,463 I am certain that when I die, 2071 01:44:14,596 --> 01:44:16,032 I will simply wake up somewhere else. 2072 01:44:16,165 --> 01:44:18,467 How do I know? Because I remember doing it 2073 01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:19,902 over and over and over again. 2074 01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:30,346 Good morning. 2075 01:44:30,578 --> 01:44:31,780 This is your wake-up call. 2076 01:44:32,281 --> 01:44:34,549 Thank you for staying at the New Darwin Inn. 2077 01:44:34,917 --> 01:44:37,219 The time is 10:30 A.M. 2078 01:44:44,907 --> 01:44:49,907 Provided by explosiveskull https://twitter.com/kaboomskull 174572

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