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At that Florida Department
of Corrections facility
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in Stark, Florida,
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the signal has now come
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shortly after 7:00 this morning,
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Eastern Time.
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The signal came
from the witness window
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at the facility there
that Ted Bundy,
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convicted killer
of a 12-year-old girl,
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rape and murder of her in 1978,
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had died in the electric chair.
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Many of those outside the prison
who had maintained a vigil
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broke into cheers
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following the signal
that Bundy was dead.
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After exhausting
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a series of appeals
that lasted 10 years,
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Ted Bundy is dead.
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If it was...
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something I could use,
I would use it.
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I would learn their routine...
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When they got home from work,
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how often
they went out to dinner,
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how often they ordered takeout.
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If they had a boyfriend,
when would he stop by?
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Did she have a dog?
Did it bark?
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Those are the things
I would learn.
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Then on the night
of the full moon,
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I would make my approach.
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The full moon is key.
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You show a woman a badge
at night,
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know some real details
about her,
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she'll follow you right
to your car.
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That's where I would hit her
over the head with a tire iron
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hidden in the bumper
behind the wheel well.
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Once she was out,
I would drive her out
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to a spot I'd picked out
weeks before,
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secluded, wooded, no traffic,
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where no one would see my car.
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That's what I would do,
if I did it.
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But I didn't.
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I'm innocent of the crimes
for which I've been convicted,
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as well as those
I'm suspected of.
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I'm an innocent man.
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I was at Roger's
right before Korea
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with my first wife.
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It wasn't my wife.
They buried the pig.
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Glad to hear that.
We're all here.
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And as you all know,
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no good deed goes unpunished.
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You guys did such a fine job
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with the first
36 research interviews.
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The Deputy Director
wants another 36.
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- So generous.
- So...
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we're gonna expand our list
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to include serial rapists,
child molesters,
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and any of the serial murders
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we didn't get to
the first time around.
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So, we put together
a tentative wish list.
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You guys all know the drill.
You volunteer or be volunteered.
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First up is Berkowitz.
Myers.
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I got friends on the staff
up in Attica.
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- I'll take a run at him.
- Take it.
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Sounds good. Bittaker.
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I'll take Bittaker.
Worked the guy before.
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You got some family
in California,
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- don't you?
- Cali boy.
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I saw your hand shoot up there
really quick.
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You j... You just want to
go to California. Alright.
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- Got your number, bud.
- Alright.
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Hold on here. Bundy.
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No one's taking that.
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- No.
- Anyone.
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No way.
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I'll take him.
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Don't waste your time, bro.
He won't talk to you.
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He hates feds.
He won't talk to any of us.
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I can always give it a shot.
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- Give it a shot.
- I've been fortunate in the past
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with developing informants
that nobody thought would talk.
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We're all familiar
with your record.
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So why don't you meet with me
after the meeting,
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and we'll discuss this, okay?
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Yes, sir.
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Look, Roger,
I don't want to buck.
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I'm the new guy here.
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I don't want to step
on anyone's toes.
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He's not gonna confess
to anything,
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but even the simplest thing,
it might slip through.
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Look, there are families
out there looking for answers,
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and if we can provide
closure for just one,
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it'll be worthwhile.
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Alright.
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I'll have them
pull the files for you.
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Just the biography,
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not the crime scene photos.
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Hagmaier.
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Hey, Bill. It's Will.
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I reached out to the warden
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about getting you
into that interview.
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- Did you talk to him?
- I did.
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Bundy wants you
to write him a letter.
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Write him a what?!
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A letter.
Who knows with this guy.
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Can you get it done
by tomorrow?
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Sure.
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- I can do that.
- Great.
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You get it to me.
I'll get it to Bundy.
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Alright.
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Thanks, Will.
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Agent Bill Hagmaier.
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Sign here.
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You've got
to check your weapon.
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Okay.
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Agent,
he's not gonna talk to you.
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He hates the feds.
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We've exchanged letters.
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He has expressed interest.
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I need you to talk to Bundy.
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I have an Agent...
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- Hagmaier.
- Agent Hagmaier.
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Says he wants to talk to him
or something.
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No, that's what I said.
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Okay. Call me back.
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A while back,
a TV network offered him $50,000
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to do a special.
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He turned them down.
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So, he's not going to do
something like this for free.
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Well, put him on.
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I don't give a good God damn
what he's doing.
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Put him on the phone.
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Bundy.
Are you sure about this?
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Because I don't want
any goddamn bullshit
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splattering on my desk over it.
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You'd think
you're smarter than him.
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You think
you're gonna be the one
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that's gonna get him to confess?
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I don't think I'm smarter, sir.
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I don't think you necessarily
have to be smarter.
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This is what's going to happen,
Agent Hagmaier.
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Ted Bundy will come down.
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He'll toy with you
for a little while.
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He will cat and mouse with you.
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He will make you think
you are getting somewhere.
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Then he's gonna leave you there,
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go back to his cell,
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and jerk off at the memory.
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Well, at least that'll give me
something to write about.
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You know the drill.
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Well,
say something.
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You came to talk to me,
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Mr. Bundy,
I'm Special Agent Hagmaier.
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I know who you are.
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Well, I'm grateful
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for you to take the time
to see me today.
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We're compiling
a series of interviews
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to try to find common threads
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in the way that people think,
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and we're finding it...
very helpful to get an idea
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of what people in your...
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situation...
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well,
what their childhoods were like,
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what brings out
their aggression,
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what makes them angry?
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My situation?
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Your situation is quite unique
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in that you also have,
from what I understand,
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an interest in the psychology
of serial murderers.
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I do.
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You've been writing to
an investigator up in Seattle.
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Yes.
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You mean the Green River thing?
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That's a really
interesting case.
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I don't have,
access to everything,
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but I-I've started to piece
some things together.
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And that thought process is why
I wanted to speak with you.
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Not, it isn't.
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Th-This is purely academic.
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I know this is.
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You FBI guys,
you're all the same.
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You think you're better than me.
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You're all just Hoover disciples
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riding through
on your high horses,
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thinking you've got
the biggest brains in the room.
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If you're so smart,
why aren't you bagging
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serial killers left and right?
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Why doesn't witness protection
actually work?
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If you testify,
we'll grant you immunity,
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and you can go
into witness protection.
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Live out your life
in a quaint small town.
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But it never works.
They always get killed.
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- You can't protect them.
- Well, witness protection is...
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You are liars in cheap suits
on government salaries,
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and everything is
an elaborate trap with you,
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all so you can
retire on a pension
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- and write your damn book.
- Look, I'm just...
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No, no, no! You...
sell that to the tourists.
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You can never trust an FBI man.
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Not for a goddamn minute.
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Mr. Bundy...
is this meeting over?
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No, sir, we were
just getting started.
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Mr. Hagmaier,
is this meeting over?
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No, no, we're just having a...
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friendly conversation
on the state of the Bureau.
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If you get up and put
your fingers in his face again,
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you won't be using them
for a year.
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Yes, sir.
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You could've buried me there.
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Do you know what
they would have done to me?
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I have a pretty good idea.
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Look, I don't want
to get you on anything.
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I'm not even gonna ask
if you killed anybody.
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It doesn't matter to me.
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W-Why would you want
to talk to me specifically?
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Look, we both have
psychology degrees.
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You almost have a law degree.
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You have more education
than I do.
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I know the guys on the row
come to you looking for advice.
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And you help them
with their appeals.
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We trust you.
They tell you things.
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I'm not gonna ask you
anyone's secrets.
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I-I just...
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I just want to recruit you
to help me see
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if we're going down
the right road on this.
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Are we asking
the right questions?
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Are we looking
at the right people?
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I'm not here
looking for evidence.
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I'm looking for understanding.
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I don't know what you know.
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I don't see what you see.
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I don't hear what you hear.
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I don't think you'd tell me
the truth,
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even if I did ask you.
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I'm just...
I got to start somewhere.
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Why do they send you down here?
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Why didn't they bring
the prima donnas in?
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Why didn't they send in
Montgomery or Douglas?
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Well, they didn't even think
you'd talk to us.
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Why, because I had feds?
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I don't know where
they get that idea about me.
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I'll tell you what.
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I bet they think they would
do a better job than you.
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I bet you're right about that.
I'm just the rookie.
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So, this is what
I get from the FBI?
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A God damn rookie.
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Let me ask you something.
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Shoot.
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What do you think
about this thing...
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the pornography
and violent crime?
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I read Dietz's article about it.
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- Which one?
- The one from the BSU.
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How do you know about that?
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Where'd you get all this?
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These are FBI bulletins.
Even I don't have some of this.
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It's some
pretty heavy reading material.
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I'm impressed.
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Do you have Playboys, too.
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That's what the scrum have.
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00:16:21,574 --> 00:16:23,642
I-I-I didn't mean to imply...
258
00:16:23,676 --> 00:16:25,879
Do you really think Playboy
makes people do these things?
259
00:16:25,912 --> 00:16:28,547
- No.
- Neither do I.
260
00:16:35,956 --> 00:16:39,425
I'll tell you what
the real bad pornography is.
261
00:16:39,458 --> 00:16:43,897
The marriage of pleasure
with the thrill of control.
262
00:16:43,930 --> 00:16:45,799
The real danger isn't
263
00:16:45,832 --> 00:16:49,602
watching a woman get undressed
or reading a Playboy.
264
00:16:49,635 --> 00:16:52,705
It's someone having the
euphoric feeling of having sex
265
00:16:52,738 --> 00:16:55,809
and hurting someone
at the same time,
266
00:16:55,842 --> 00:16:59,846
like in the detective magazines.
267
00:17:01,982 --> 00:17:03,682
The ones with the girls
on the front covers
268
00:17:03,716 --> 00:17:05,819
with their breasts
falling out of their dress
269
00:17:05,852 --> 00:17:09,321
while someone garrots them
from behind.
270
00:17:09,355 --> 00:17:12,424
"Read the true story
of one killer's obsession."
271
00:17:12,458 --> 00:17:14,326
Exactly.
272
00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:16,395
You know what those
are really good for, though?
273
00:17:16,428 --> 00:17:18,799
- What?
- Learning how not to get caught.
274
00:17:18,832 --> 00:17:20,599
I imagine they would be.
275
00:17:20,633 --> 00:17:23,602
They are instruction manuals
on how to get away with it.
276
00:17:26,973 --> 00:17:29,876
So, did you read a lot
of those growing up?
277
00:17:29,910 --> 00:17:32,813
No, no, I never read them.
278
00:17:32,846 --> 00:17:35,414
So how did you
end up in the FBI?
279
00:17:35,447 --> 00:17:36,883
I think we should focus on...
280
00:17:36,917 --> 00:17:38,785
On me?
281
00:17:38,819 --> 00:17:41,054
You asked me to trust you, Bill.
282
00:17:41,087 --> 00:17:43,389
But I don't know you from Adam.
283
00:17:46,893 --> 00:17:48,494
I ended up in the FBI
by accident.
284
00:17:48,527 --> 00:17:49,996
Bullshit.
285
00:17:50,030 --> 00:17:51,832
You've got to have a degree.
What's you get it for?
286
00:17:51,865 --> 00:17:53,399
I wanted to be
a guidance counselor.
287
00:17:53,432 --> 00:17:54,935
No. No way.
288
00:17:54,968 --> 00:17:57,536
Seriously.
A guidance counselor.
289
00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:01,607
How does a guidance counselor
end up in the FBI?
290
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,077
Two weeks after I graduated,
I was drafted.
291
00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:06,146
- You want to 'Nam?
- No.
292
00:18:06,179 --> 00:18:09,748
No, my brother was over there
and had just been shot.
293
00:18:09,783 --> 00:18:11,650
That bullet spared me
from having to go over.
294
00:18:11,684 --> 00:18:13,053
So, what did you do?
295
00:18:13,086 --> 00:18:15,487
I ended up as a counselor
at a military prison.
296
00:18:15,521 --> 00:18:18,424
And someone there
was a serial killer.
297
00:18:18,457 --> 00:18:20,659
A few.
298
00:18:20,693 --> 00:18:22,394
Did you counsel them?
299
00:18:22,428 --> 00:18:24,463
Some.
300
00:18:24,496 --> 00:18:26,699
I bet you never wanted
for a thing in your life.
301
00:18:26,732 --> 00:18:28,068
What did your dad do?
302
00:18:28,101 --> 00:18:30,669
Investment banking,
upper management.
303
00:18:30,703 --> 00:18:31,938
Mailman.
304
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,642
Happy childhood?
305
00:18:36,675 --> 00:18:38,178
No.
306
00:18:38,211 --> 00:18:39,745
Were you close to him?
307
00:18:39,779 --> 00:18:42,681
He was a drunk.
308
00:18:42,715 --> 00:18:45,618
Okay.
309
00:18:45,651 --> 00:18:48,554
Moving on.
310
00:18:48,587 --> 00:18:49,923
Once you got in the FBI,
311
00:18:49,956 --> 00:18:51,992
you chased a job in the BSU?
312
00:18:52,025 --> 00:18:54,426
No, I was recommended.
313
00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:56,863
Like I said,
I ended up here by accident.
314
00:18:56,897 --> 00:18:59,099
You broke a big case.
315
00:18:59,132 --> 00:19:00,834
I contributed.
316
00:19:00,867 --> 00:19:02,202
Serial killer?
317
00:19:02,235 --> 00:19:03,803
No.
318
00:19:03,837 --> 00:19:07,073
No, I-I developed a CI
on an armored car robbery
319
00:19:07,107 --> 00:19:08,808
that no one thought would talk.
320
00:19:08,842 --> 00:19:10,609
He gave us everything we needed.
321
00:19:10,643 --> 00:19:12,511
That New York thing.
322
00:19:15,815 --> 00:19:18,717
That is the biggest
armored car heist in history.
323
00:19:18,752 --> 00:19:21,487
I've read about you.
You're no rookie.
324
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,189
You're some hotshot
young upstart,
325
00:19:23,223 --> 00:19:24,723
and I'm your next big case.
326
00:19:24,758 --> 00:19:26,059
You're gonna be
the guy who broke me.
327
00:19:26,092 --> 00:19:27,794
- No.
- Come on.
328
00:19:27,827 --> 00:19:29,595
You can't bullshit
a bullshitter.
329
00:19:29,628 --> 00:19:32,165
I'm not.
I'm a scientist.
330
00:19:32,198 --> 00:19:34,667
I-I just want to understand.
331
00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,635
You want to understand.
332
00:19:42,275 --> 00:19:45,145
Well, I'll tell you...
333
00:19:45,178 --> 00:19:48,614
you and your colleagues
out there...
334
00:19:48,647 --> 00:19:50,582
the investigators,
the detectives,
335
00:19:52,185 --> 00:19:56,189
you're like fisherman
out on the water.
336
00:19:57,791 --> 00:19:58,992
You throw your bait in.
337
00:19:59,025 --> 00:20:00,961
You're trying
to catch your fish.
338
00:20:03,562 --> 00:20:05,065
The smaller fish,
339
00:20:05,098 --> 00:20:07,499
the inexperienced ones,
340
00:20:07,533 --> 00:20:09,903
the ones who are still
driven by their ego,
341
00:20:09,936 --> 00:20:13,006
well, they're gonna
fight for that.
342
00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:14,707
They're gonna swim up,
and they're going to try
343
00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:16,508
and get that hook.
344
00:20:16,542 --> 00:20:20,612
They don't know it's a hook
because they're stupid.
345
00:20:20,646 --> 00:20:22,849
They're arrogant.
346
00:20:22,882 --> 00:20:27,153
And you'll... you'll catch
a lot of those fish,
347
00:20:27,187 --> 00:20:28,620
but occasionally,
348
00:20:28,654 --> 00:20:30,656
your bait will sink
a little lower,
349
00:20:30,689 --> 00:20:32,624
to the middle level,
350
00:20:32,658 --> 00:20:35,195
and that's where
the medium-sized fish are.
351
00:20:35,228 --> 00:20:38,031
And they're hard to catch.
352
00:20:38,064 --> 00:20:39,631
You only catch them
when they're lazy
353
00:20:39,665 --> 00:20:41,201
or their egos get
the better of them.
354
00:20:41,234 --> 00:20:44,603
You get them.
You pull them up.
355
00:20:44,636 --> 00:20:46,139
You mount them on your wall.
356
00:20:46,172 --> 00:20:50,243
You get you press conference.
You write your book.
357
00:20:50,276 --> 00:20:53,013
But deep down...
358
00:20:53,046 --> 00:20:55,081
in the deepest
depths of the sea,
359
00:20:55,115 --> 00:20:57,217
is where the biggest fish are.
360
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,188
And you have no idea
how big they are.
361
00:21:02,222 --> 00:21:05,992
You have no idea how long
they've been down there.
362
00:21:06,026 --> 00:21:08,294
They see everything.
363
00:21:08,328 --> 00:21:11,865
They watch everything.
364
00:21:11,898 --> 00:21:15,201
Sometimes, they eat
the smaller fish.
365
00:21:15,235 --> 00:21:17,170
But they don't take the bait.
366
00:21:19,139 --> 00:21:22,008
The only way you can catch them
367
00:21:22,042 --> 00:21:23,977
is to become one of them.
368
00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:29,648
And you can't do that.
369
00:21:33,353 --> 00:21:35,321
You won't do that.
370
00:21:37,623 --> 00:21:41,194
Not yet.
371
00:21:41,227 --> 00:21:43,263
Maybe someday...
372
00:21:43,296 --> 00:21:45,597
if I can trust you...
373
00:21:47,733 --> 00:21:51,670
I'll take you
under the water with me.
374
00:21:51,703 --> 00:21:54,307
You can see how deep
all this goes.
375
00:22:03,083 --> 00:22:06,252
Mr. Bundy, it's time.
376
00:22:06,286 --> 00:22:08,288
- We're done anyway.
- Would you like me to come back
377
00:22:08,321 --> 00:22:10,190
to continue this conversation?
378
00:22:10,223 --> 00:22:13,293
We'll see.
379
00:22:13,326 --> 00:22:16,129
Maybe I'll write you a letter
or something.
380
00:22:19,299 --> 00:22:23,069
But if you do come back...
381
00:22:23,103 --> 00:22:25,872
could you bring me some gum?
382
00:22:25,905 --> 00:22:28,108
- Well, that's contraband,
- I know.
383
00:22:28,141 --> 00:22:30,009
The wrappers.
384
00:22:30,043 --> 00:22:33,645
Look, maybe you can
talk to the warden.
385
00:22:33,679 --> 00:22:35,614
I'll see what I can do.
386
00:22:47,927 --> 00:22:51,865
So, did you get anything
we could use?
387
00:22:51,898 --> 00:22:53,233
No.
388
00:22:53,266 --> 00:22:55,135
But I got a pretty good
read on them.
389
00:22:56,803 --> 00:22:58,670
You think he's capable
of all the other murders
390
00:22:58,704 --> 00:23:00,373
he's suspected of?
391
00:23:00,406 --> 00:23:02,108
He's...
he's guilty, alright.
392
00:23:02,142 --> 00:23:05,378
- He all but admitted it to me.
- You're kidding me.
393
00:23:05,411 --> 00:23:07,881
He wouldn't
say he did it.
394
00:23:07,914 --> 00:23:10,083
He won't. Not yet.
395
00:23:10,116 --> 00:23:12,318
But he wanted me
to know he did it.
396
00:23:12,352 --> 00:23:14,387
He's proud...
397
00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:15,855
proud of what he's done,
398
00:23:15,889 --> 00:23:17,924
but even more so
that we can't prove it.
399
00:23:17,957 --> 00:23:19,392
What do you think he wants?
400
00:23:19,425 --> 00:23:21,461
Well, he says he wants me
to bring down case files
401
00:23:21,494 --> 00:23:23,196
so he can help profile.
402
00:23:23,229 --> 00:23:24,764
What do you say?
403
00:23:24,797 --> 00:23:26,933
I say
it's more complicated than that.
404
00:23:26,966 --> 00:23:28,868
I think you should
keep pulling at that thread
405
00:23:28,902 --> 00:23:30,770
and see what's
at the other end of it.
406
00:23:30,803 --> 00:23:33,173
Okay.
407
00:23:33,206 --> 00:23:35,408
Man, how many times
do I have to tell you?
408
00:23:35,441 --> 00:23:38,378
I've got nothing else to say.
409
00:23:38,411 --> 00:23:40,113
Here you go, Bill.
410
00:23:40,146 --> 00:23:41,314
Thanks, Tom.
411
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:59,492
Hello.
412
00:24:59,525 --> 00:25:01,928
Hello.
413
00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:09,869
- You remembered?
- I did.
414
00:25:09,902 --> 00:25:12,805
The warden was very particular
about the wrappers,
415
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,041
but since you played
nice last time,
416
00:25:15,074 --> 00:25:16,242
he made an exception.
417
00:25:16,276 --> 00:25:18,311
Spearmint.
418
00:25:18,344 --> 00:25:20,046
How'd you know
it was my favorite?
419
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:21,481
I didn't.
420
00:25:41,334 --> 00:25:43,803
That is very good.
421
00:25:46,205 --> 00:25:49,275
So, tell me, what's the,
tape recorder for?
422
00:25:49,309 --> 00:25:51,344
I thought we'd talk
about some cases.
423
00:25:51,377 --> 00:25:53,313
And you need a tape recorder
for that?
424
00:25:53,346 --> 00:25:56,316
Well, you have a unique window
into this world,
425
00:25:56,349 --> 00:25:58,318
and there's a good chance
you'll say a great many things
426
00:25:58,351 --> 00:25:59,886
that I'd like a record of.
427
00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:01,421
Okay.
428
00:26:01,454 --> 00:26:04,590
- But if I say shut it off.
- It goes off.
429
00:26:04,624 --> 00:26:06,859
Well, press record,
430
00:26:06,893 --> 00:26:09,495
and let's get this
party started.
431
00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:12,265
I'm gonna save this.
432
00:26:12,298 --> 00:26:15,201
It is February 13, 1986.
433
00:26:15,234 --> 00:26:16,936
This is Agent Bill Hagmaier.
434
00:26:16,969 --> 00:26:18,071
I'm sitting with Theodore...
435
00:26:18,104 --> 00:26:19,105
No, Ted.
436
00:26:19,138 --> 00:26:22,375
I'm sitting with Ted Bundy.
437
00:26:22,408 --> 00:26:24,110
Where do you wanna start?
438
00:26:24,143 --> 00:26:26,012
I thought we'd
start with Green River.
439
00:26:26,045 --> 00:26:27,413
I feel like
there's something
440
00:26:27,447 --> 00:26:29,482
I could add
to the investigation.
441
00:26:29,515 --> 00:26:32,418
I understand why they can't show
me pictures or tell me things,
442
00:26:32,452 --> 00:26:35,621
but if I could just see some
of those crime scene photos,
443
00:26:35,655 --> 00:26:37,457
I think it would be something
of a revelation.
444
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:39,892
I could see some of the changes
445
00:26:39,926 --> 00:26:41,094
that this guy was going through,
446
00:26:41,127 --> 00:26:43,096
at least on a superficial level.
447
00:26:43,129 --> 00:26:45,331
Superficial?
448
00:26:45,365 --> 00:26:47,633
This is a person that
we're looking for here,
449
00:26:47,667 --> 00:26:49,402
assuming that
it's just one person.
450
00:26:49,435 --> 00:26:52,672
This is a living, breathing,
viable human being,
451
00:26:52,705 --> 00:26:54,640
who's just going about his life
452
00:26:54,674 --> 00:26:56,609
in a way
that makes sense to him.
453
00:26:56,642 --> 00:26:58,678
He isn't some kind of monster
454
00:26:58,711 --> 00:27:00,580
because he wasn't
at the beginning.
455
00:27:00,613 --> 00:27:03,349
He's sick, demented, sure.
456
00:27:03,383 --> 00:27:07,653
But... when you start
using jargon like that,
457
00:27:07,687 --> 00:27:09,922
those impassioned terms,
458
00:27:09,956 --> 00:27:13,092
you forget that there's
a lot of him that in you.
459
00:27:13,126 --> 00:27:15,261
I don't know about that.
460
00:27:15,294 --> 00:27:17,563
There is nothing
that this guy has thought
461
00:27:17,597 --> 00:27:21,033
that you haven't thought
at one time or another.
462
00:27:21,067 --> 00:27:22,969
What, he's just...
463
00:27:23,002 --> 00:27:25,571
taking it a step further
for one reason or another.
464
00:27:25,605 --> 00:27:28,174
Well, sure.
465
00:27:28,207 --> 00:27:31,544
They're crediting him
with 36 now.
466
00:27:31,577 --> 00:27:33,679
And yet, he's still
avoided detection,
467
00:27:33,713 --> 00:27:36,416
even with a vulnerable
victim class like prostitutes.
468
00:27:36,449 --> 00:27:39,018
Not a real high-risk crime
for the offender.
469
00:27:39,051 --> 00:27:42,121
Still bold as hell.
470
00:27:42,155 --> 00:27:44,524
I'm amazed at some
of his crassness and luck,
471
00:27:44,557 --> 00:27:46,392
going back to the same area,
472
00:27:46,426 --> 00:27:49,328
even while all hell
was breaking loose.
473
00:27:49,362 --> 00:27:51,030
All of the girls being
474
00:27:51,063 --> 00:27:52,398
fully aware
of what was going on,
475
00:27:52,432 --> 00:27:53,599
he still managed to get victims,
476
00:27:53,633 --> 00:27:56,636
and then he just stops?
477
00:27:56,669 --> 00:27:59,739
Now, do you think a person
like that can just stop?
478
00:27:59,773 --> 00:28:03,209
It's unlikely,
though, if he did,
479
00:28:03,242 --> 00:28:05,578
maybe he was exhausted.
480
00:28:05,611 --> 00:28:07,313
Exhausted?
481
00:28:07,346 --> 00:28:09,148
Do you have any idea
482
00:28:09,182 --> 00:28:11,717
what a spree like this
would take out of you?
483
00:28:11,751 --> 00:28:14,153
It's...
484
00:28:14,187 --> 00:28:16,589
Too big a bite, man.
Too big a bite.
485
00:28:16,622 --> 00:28:19,959
- I can't even begin to imagine.
- Yes, you can.
486
00:28:21,461 --> 00:28:22,995
Do you think I don't know
why you're asking me
487
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:24,363
about this stuff?
488
00:28:24,397 --> 00:28:26,566
What do you mean?
489
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,634
About the murders
in the Pacific Northwest,
490
00:28:28,668 --> 00:28:30,303
Well, you said in your letters
491
00:28:30,336 --> 00:28:32,038
that you wanted to discuss
the Green River case?
492
00:28:32,071 --> 00:28:35,074
Do you want to ask me
about, Utah next,
493
00:28:35,107 --> 00:28:37,443
or Florida or Idaho.
494
00:28:37,477 --> 00:28:40,713
- What's in Idaho?
- I'm just naming states.
495
00:28:40,746 --> 00:28:43,416
Look, I-I'm here to talk to you
496
00:28:43,449 --> 00:28:45,718
about anything
you'd like to talk about.
497
00:28:55,094 --> 00:28:58,164
Do you think there's a point
in a person's progression
498
00:28:58,197 --> 00:29:02,468
where they... they say,
"This is my life's work.
499
00:29:02,502 --> 00:29:04,036
This is what I need to do"?
500
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:07,640
Or do you think
it's a gradual escalation?
501
00:29:07,673 --> 00:29:10,076
You know, it's gradual.
502
00:29:10,109 --> 00:29:12,044
It's like a... a skier
503
00:29:12,078 --> 00:29:15,481
who has been dreaming about
skiing their whole life.
504
00:29:15,515 --> 00:29:16,749
They read the magazines.
505
00:29:16,783 --> 00:29:18,317
They watch the movies
about skiing.
506
00:29:18,351 --> 00:29:20,052
They think about it
all the time.
507
00:29:20,086 --> 00:29:23,689
And one day, they just say,
"I got to try that."
508
00:29:23,723 --> 00:29:26,392
Right, and some people will
start on the very steep hill,
509
00:29:26,425 --> 00:29:27,761
and some will start
on the bunny slope.
510
00:29:27,794 --> 00:29:29,328
Some people take lessons.
511
00:29:33,533 --> 00:29:36,502
What's your thumbnail sketch
of the guy?
512
00:29:41,374 --> 00:29:43,810
Well, I wouldn't go so far
as to say how old he is
513
00:29:43,844 --> 00:29:47,113
or anything like that, but...
514
00:29:47,146 --> 00:29:50,550
he's either unemployed
or works part time.
515
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,222
Based on the frequency
of his killing,
516
00:29:56,255 --> 00:29:58,190
the fact that his victims
517
00:29:58,224 --> 00:30:02,395
were taken every single
night of the week...
518
00:30:06,198 --> 00:30:07,600
...indicates that
he doesn't really have
519
00:30:07,633 --> 00:30:10,269
much of a schedule to adhere to.
520
00:30:10,303 --> 00:30:11,737
Well, he's not married.
521
00:30:11,772 --> 00:30:13,439
Probably doesn't have
a steady girlfriend
522
00:30:13,472 --> 00:30:16,442
or anything that puts
regular demands on his time.
523
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,281
That's some solid profiling,
524
00:30:22,315 --> 00:30:26,419
and you did that just with
some newspaper clippings.
525
00:30:26,452 --> 00:30:28,387
Will you turn the tape off?
526
00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:38,464
You know they think I'm crazy.
527
00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:42,301
I'm tired of people
saying I'm crazy.
528
00:30:42,335 --> 00:30:43,770
I'm tired of reading
psychiatrists
529
00:30:43,804 --> 00:30:46,205
and some of your
FBI prima donnas say
530
00:30:46,238 --> 00:30:48,574
that you have to have
some sort of complex
531
00:30:48,608 --> 00:30:51,912
in order to kill people.
532
00:30:51,945 --> 00:30:54,413
Normal people kill people.
533
00:31:02,856 --> 00:31:04,724
Say...
534
00:31:04,758 --> 00:31:09,395
what's the worst thing that
you remember about your father?
535
00:31:09,428 --> 00:31:10,596
What do you mean?
536
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:12,732
Well, you told me
you hated him.
537
00:31:12,766 --> 00:31:14,700
What's the worst thing
you remember?
538
00:31:23,777 --> 00:31:26,847
Our house had a basement.
539
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,316
It was the only place to play
when my dad got home from work.
540
00:31:30,349 --> 00:31:33,787
He like quiet
while he watched the shows.
541
00:31:33,820 --> 00:31:37,924
One summer,
a rat moved into the basement.
542
00:31:37,958 --> 00:31:40,693
I could hear it constantly.
543
00:31:40,726 --> 00:31:42,428
Always chewing.
544
00:31:42,461 --> 00:31:45,731
Always scratching.
545
00:31:45,766 --> 00:31:47,801
It attacked me once.
546
00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:49,702
Darn thing bit me.
547
00:31:49,735 --> 00:31:51,938
I ran upstairs crying,
548
00:31:51,972 --> 00:31:55,307
My dad, he didn't like me
interrupting his shows,
549
00:31:55,341 --> 00:31:58,711
so he... he got up
and grabbed a baseball bat.
550
00:31:58,744 --> 00:31:59,913
He hit you?
551
00:31:59,946 --> 00:32:01,882
No.
552
00:32:01,915 --> 00:32:03,917
No, he went down the stairs.
553
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:06,686
I could hear him cursing
through the floor,
554
00:32:06,719 --> 00:32:11,357
and he battered the basement.
555
00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:13,760
A few minutes later,
he came upstairs,
556
00:32:13,794 --> 00:32:15,996
bat covered in blood,
lean it against this chair,
557
00:32:16,029 --> 00:32:17,998
went back to his beer.
558
00:32:18,031 --> 00:32:20,700
Told me to go downstairs
to clean it.
559
00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:24,236
I went down there and...
560
00:32:24,270 --> 00:32:28,441
the worst thing wasn't
the blood or that smashed rat.
561
00:32:31,778 --> 00:32:35,247
It was the silence.
562
00:32:35,281 --> 00:32:37,450
I-I couldn't
hear the rat anymore.
563
00:32:37,483 --> 00:32:41,253
I couldn't hear the scratching
or the chewing.
564
00:32:41,287 --> 00:32:44,858
Any time I went down there
after that, it was quiet.
565
00:32:44,891 --> 00:32:47,693
I-I stopped going down there
after that.
566
00:32:51,697 --> 00:32:53,632
You missed the rat.
567
00:32:56,002 --> 00:32:57,737
I guess.
568
00:33:01,741 --> 00:33:03,509
Do you think
you could kill somebody?
569
00:33:06,612 --> 00:33:09,348
I think you could.
570
00:33:09,381 --> 00:33:11,751
Well, I'm an FBI agent.
571
00:33:11,785 --> 00:33:13,854
I carry a gun, got a badge.
572
00:33:13,887 --> 00:33:15,822
That's not what I'm saying.
573
00:33:22,829 --> 00:33:25,364
Every morning, I say a prayer.
574
00:33:25,397 --> 00:33:27,868
I put on my gun and my badge,
575
00:33:27,901 --> 00:33:30,469
and I ask God
for the strength and wisdom
576
00:33:30,503 --> 00:33:32,338
to know when to pull the trigger
577
00:33:32,371 --> 00:33:34,808
and not one second sooner
and not one second later.
578
00:33:34,841 --> 00:33:36,943
That's not what I'm asking,
either.
579
00:33:41,447 --> 00:33:43,649
Could you kill somebody?
580
00:33:51,825 --> 00:33:54,560
I could.
581
00:33:54,593 --> 00:33:58,531
And I could get away with it to.
582
00:33:58,564 --> 00:34:00,934
I'm at least as strong as you.
583
00:34:00,967 --> 00:34:04,037
Probably like sex
as much as you do.
584
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:06,672
I know how to dispose of a body,
585
00:34:06,705 --> 00:34:08,574
how not to be noticed,
586
00:34:08,607 --> 00:34:11,912
how to get in and out
and leave a scene looking
587
00:34:11,945 --> 00:34:15,081
like it belongs to a series
of other murderers.
588
00:34:19,786 --> 00:34:21,822
But that's not who I am.
589
00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:23,957
I wouldn't do that.
590
00:34:25,591 --> 00:34:29,528
But you could do it.
591
00:34:29,562 --> 00:34:31,932
I could.
592
00:34:31,965 --> 00:34:34,633
Are you crazy?
593
00:34:34,667 --> 00:34:37,736
I don't think so.
594
00:34:37,771 --> 00:34:40,506
Well, neither am I.
595
00:34:40,539 --> 00:34:42,108
You understand that?
596
00:34:42,142 --> 00:34:45,145
I understood that the first
moment I walked in here.
597
00:34:45,178 --> 00:34:46,880
You're already better
at your job
598
00:34:46,913 --> 00:34:49,115
than most of the guys
you work with.
599
00:34:51,584 --> 00:34:53,787
They all think I'm Looney Tunes.
600
00:35:36,129 --> 00:35:37,998
I hear
he's sending you letters
601
00:35:38,031 --> 00:35:39,732
Pretty regularly.
602
00:35:39,766 --> 00:35:41,801
He likes to talk,
likes to be heard.
603
00:35:41,835 --> 00:35:45,071
Just how close are
you two getting?
604
00:35:45,105 --> 00:35:46,973
What is that
supposed to mean?
605
00:35:47,007 --> 00:35:50,076
I mean, I hear rumors.
606
00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:51,978
Watch yourself.
607
00:35:52,012 --> 00:35:54,047
When you get too close
to a guy like this,
608
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,816
you can lose your way.
609
00:35:56,850 --> 00:35:59,753
Okay. Okay.
610
00:35:59,786 --> 00:36:02,756
So then the teacher says,
"It's imagination time.
611
00:36:02,789 --> 00:36:05,691
Today, we're gonna pretend
to be like animals."
612
00:36:05,724 --> 00:36:09,162
And so she goes, "Little Susie,
what is a lion like?"
613
00:36:09,195 --> 00:36:11,932
And little Susie rears up
and slashes a paw forward
614
00:36:11,965 --> 00:36:13,499
and goes rawr!
615
00:36:13,532 --> 00:36:15,035
She's like,
"That's great, little Susie."
616
00:36:15,068 --> 00:36:17,804
So then she's like,
"Billy, what is a turkey like?"
617
00:36:17,837 --> 00:36:19,873
And he flaps his wings
all around the room.
618
00:36:19,906 --> 00:36:21,775
Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!
Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!
619
00:36:21,808 --> 00:36:25,211
And then she gets to Brian,
and she says, "Brian,
620
00:36:25,245 --> 00:36:26,780
what is an elephant like?"
621
00:36:26,813 --> 00:36:28,848
And Brian stops.
622
00:36:28,882 --> 00:36:30,582
He thinks about it for a second,
623
00:36:30,616 --> 00:36:32,919
and he stands up,
624
00:36:32,953 --> 00:36:36,022
and he drops his britches
and drawers right then and there
625
00:36:36,056 --> 00:36:38,624
and starts crab walking
around the room,
626
00:36:38,657 --> 00:36:40,693
going, "Brr, I'm an elephant!
627
00:36:40,726 --> 00:36:45,865
Brr!"
628
00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:48,101
- Wait, how old was he?
- 4.
629
00:36:48,134 --> 00:36:49,668
Did you get the call,
or did your wife?
630
00:36:49,702 --> 00:36:51,737
It was her.
She was not happy.
631
00:36:51,771 --> 00:36:53,639
Jesus, your son
sounds like a hoot.
632
00:36:53,672 --> 00:36:55,541
He's a good kid.
633
00:36:55,574 --> 00:36:56,810
He's got to be, what,
634
00:36:56,843 --> 00:36:58,845
six months or so
older than Rosa.
635
00:36:58,878 --> 00:37:02,115
- How old's your boy now?
- 5.
636
00:37:02,148 --> 00:37:04,250
That sounds about right.
637
00:37:09,856 --> 00:37:12,058
What do you imagine
they're doing right now?
638
00:37:12,092 --> 00:37:15,527
You know,
while their daddies talk murder.
639
00:37:15,561 --> 00:37:18,098
I haven't seen her.
640
00:37:18,131 --> 00:37:19,899
I don't...
641
00:37:22,135 --> 00:37:25,839
I don't know what she does.
642
00:37:25,872 --> 00:37:28,942
I like to imagine that
she's got a nice dollhouse,
643
00:37:28,975 --> 00:37:32,212
but she goes out
riding her bike.
644
00:37:32,245 --> 00:37:37,017
But then I also hope
that she's careful, you know?
645
00:37:39,753 --> 00:37:41,620
A lot of dangerous men
in the world.
646
00:37:41,653 --> 00:37:44,190
Too many.
647
00:37:44,224 --> 00:37:45,992
Do you have a picture?
648
00:37:55,268 --> 00:37:56,702
She's beautiful.
649
00:37:56,735 --> 00:37:58,604
She takes after her mother,
650
00:37:58,637 --> 00:38:00,306
Have you seen her mother
recently?
651
00:38:00,340 --> 00:38:04,010
Not in a few months.
652
00:38:07,013 --> 00:38:10,083
I miss the hell out of them.
653
00:38:10,116 --> 00:38:13,186
- Rosa's getting to that age.
- That age?
654
00:38:13,219 --> 00:38:17,857
When she understands
what people say about me.
655
00:38:17,891 --> 00:38:20,093
Well, how do you even
explain that to a child?
656
00:38:20,126 --> 00:38:22,295
How do you explain that
to an adult?
657
00:38:22,328 --> 00:38:24,663
Full grown adults walk around
that don't understand
658
00:38:24,696 --> 00:38:26,032
that they shouldn't believe
659
00:38:26,066 --> 00:38:28,634
everything that they hear
in the press.
660
00:38:28,667 --> 00:38:30,937
How can you expect
a 4 year old to?
661
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:36,309
Does your son know what you do?
662
00:38:36,342 --> 00:38:39,145
He knows his daddy
protects people.
663
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,850
Well...
664
00:38:43,883 --> 00:38:45,819
Rose's daddy...
665
00:38:47,854 --> 00:38:49,621
well, he doesn't.
666
00:38:56,229 --> 00:38:58,630
Did you get that letter I sent.
667
00:38:58,664 --> 00:38:59,833
The latest one?
668
00:38:59,866 --> 00:39:02,068
Is that the one about the girl
669
00:39:02,102 --> 00:39:04,370
who sends you the pictures?
670
00:39:04,404 --> 00:39:06,973
I mean, a lot of women
send photographs.
671
00:39:07,006 --> 00:39:08,208
Well, not like these.
672
00:39:08,241 --> 00:39:10,110
No.
673
00:39:10,143 --> 00:39:11,743
I don't know where you would go
674
00:39:11,778 --> 00:39:13,980
to get something
like these developed.
675
00:39:14,013 --> 00:39:16,748
The wall of your cell must
be quite a sight to see.
676
00:39:16,783 --> 00:39:18,084
I don't keep them.
677
00:39:18,118 --> 00:39:22,388
No, I trade them
to other inmates for favors,
678
00:39:22,422 --> 00:39:24,991
- commissary and the like.
- You don't like them?
679
00:39:25,024 --> 00:39:27,994
I always know there will be more
in the next day's mail.
680
00:39:38,404 --> 00:39:40,340
Turn the tape off.
681
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:49,282
I don't think I can
do this anymore.
682
00:39:49,315 --> 00:39:52,385
Why not?
683
00:39:52,418 --> 00:39:55,355
I...
684
00:39:55,388 --> 00:39:57,790
You're getting inside my head,
685
00:39:57,824 --> 00:39:59,459
I don't like people
being inside my head.
686
00:39:59,492 --> 00:40:01,461
- I'm not inside your head.
- You're so full of it.
687
00:40:01,494 --> 00:40:03,096
- No...
- I bet you think you know
688
00:40:03,129 --> 00:40:05,365
what I would do
if I broke out of this place.
689
00:40:05,398 --> 00:40:06,933
- I don't.
- But you do.
690
00:40:06,966 --> 00:40:08,301
I bet you think you do.
691
00:40:08,334 --> 00:40:10,103
Tell me.
692
00:40:10,136 --> 00:40:11,304
Tell me what
you think I would do
693
00:40:11,337 --> 00:40:13,273
if I broke out of this place.
694
00:40:22,048 --> 00:40:24,317
Well, the first thing
you would do is steal a car.
695
00:40:26,753 --> 00:40:30,924
Then you'd probably head up
to the state of Washington.
696
00:40:30,957 --> 00:40:33,860
You'd probably remove
a couple of people
697
00:40:33,893 --> 00:40:37,130
- that are under your skin now.
- Who?
698
00:40:37,163 --> 00:40:40,767
Maybe a... an investigator
699
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,302
that's pissing you off.
700
00:40:42,335 --> 00:40:44,904
Not returning the letters.
701
00:40:44,938 --> 00:40:46,806
Maybe a journalist
702
00:40:46,839 --> 00:40:48,875
who's been...
703
00:40:48,908 --> 00:40:51,277
unkind.
704
00:40:51,311 --> 00:40:54,280
Then there's somebody else.
I don't know.
705
00:40:57,250 --> 00:41:00,053
A guy you think is
having sex with your wife.
706
00:41:01,955 --> 00:41:03,990
Then you'd steal another car,
707
00:41:04,023 --> 00:41:05,358
slip over the border
into Canada,
708
00:41:05,391 --> 00:41:07,327
and never, ever come out.
709
00:41:09,362 --> 00:41:11,064
We'd never hear from you
ever again.
710
00:41:11,097 --> 00:41:12,799
Fuck you!
711
00:41:35,855 --> 00:41:40,827
You can turn the tape back on.
712
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:42,795
A-Are you sure?
713
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:45,431
I wouldn't know what else
to do with my time.
714
00:41:48,234 --> 00:41:50,103
You could write another book.
715
00:41:50,136 --> 00:41:52,038
Never again.
716
00:41:52,071 --> 00:41:53,239
That didn't work out.
717
00:41:53,273 --> 00:41:54,807
It was a bestseller
718
00:41:54,841 --> 00:41:56,342
We did correctly anticipate
719
00:41:56,376 --> 00:42:00,313
the baser desires
of the book-buying public.
720
00:42:00,346 --> 00:42:03,283
They do want to be titillated.
721
00:42:03,316 --> 00:42:05,184
There were people who read that
for genuine reasons,
722
00:42:05,218 --> 00:42:07,954
- but they were misled.
- How so?
723
00:42:07,987 --> 00:42:10,857
Well, it's a funny thing
when money gets involved,
724
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:14,427
and people do things for money
that they ordinarily wouldn't.
725
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:16,829
And those guys, they wanted me
to talk about things
726
00:42:16,863 --> 00:42:18,131
that I was suspected of,
727
00:42:18,164 --> 00:42:19,565
and I was like,
"I can't do that.
728
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,502
All I can do is speculate."
729
00:42:22,535 --> 00:42:24,304
Anybody who read those books
730
00:42:24,337 --> 00:42:26,572
knows nothing about me
or what actually happened.
731
00:42:26,606 --> 00:42:28,875
Well, there are other people
who wrote books
732
00:42:28,908 --> 00:42:31,377
who knew you before
any alleged criminal activity,
733
00:42:31,411 --> 00:42:32,945
and they felt they knew you.
734
00:42:32,979 --> 00:42:35,882
- You mean Ann Rule?
- Do you remember her?
735
00:42:35,915 --> 00:42:37,450
Vividly.
736
00:42:37,483 --> 00:42:41,087
In her own way,
she's a very nice person.
737
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,023
All we did was share shifts
at call-in crisis center.
738
00:42:44,057 --> 00:42:45,558
We never saw each other
socially.
739
00:42:45,591 --> 00:42:47,093
My former fiancee,
740
00:42:47,126 --> 00:42:49,062
girlfriend, friend,
what have you, Liz,
741
00:42:49,095 --> 00:42:50,430
she wrote a book about me.
742
00:42:50,463 --> 00:42:52,298
She had a far, far
better opportunity
743
00:42:52,332 --> 00:42:53,499
to get to know me.
744
00:42:53,533 --> 00:42:55,468
Better than Diane Edwards?
745
00:42:58,204 --> 00:43:01,274
Diane is a lovely person.
746
00:43:01,307 --> 00:43:03,876
But we were only just friends.
747
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:05,945
We never lived together.
748
00:43:05,978 --> 00:43:09,916
Now, Liz, she saw me day in
and day out for years.
749
00:43:09,949 --> 00:43:11,117
Well, Diane is referred to
750
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:12,652
as someone you cared
very deeply for.
751
00:43:12,685 --> 00:43:14,520
There are a lot
of theories about me
752
00:43:14,554 --> 00:43:18,591
that are just
a bunch of bull crap.
753
00:43:18,624 --> 00:43:20,426
Well, people think that
Diana and I broke up,
754
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:23,329
and somehow this was the...
755
00:43:23,363 --> 00:43:27,467
traumatic episode in my life
that made me go over the edge.
756
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:29,902
But...
757
00:43:29,936 --> 00:43:31,604
It's simply not true.
758
00:43:31,637 --> 00:43:34,107
It's completely untrue.
759
00:43:36,242 --> 00:43:38,378
I know in my heart
760
00:43:38,411 --> 00:43:41,214
that that episode
was not important.
761
00:43:43,249 --> 00:43:46,652
Now you have Liz, friends,
family, relatives...
762
00:43:46,686 --> 00:43:49,021
they're all reexamining
our relationships.
763
00:43:49,055 --> 00:43:52,125
You know, they're...
764
00:43:52,158 --> 00:43:53,659
"Did I see it coming?
Could I have stopped it?"
765
00:43:53,693 --> 00:43:55,128
You know how it is.
766
00:43:55,161 --> 00:43:56,562
I saw it in him
when he was 5 years old.
767
00:43:56,596 --> 00:43:58,331
People, they don't
want to feel fooled.
768
00:43:58,364 --> 00:44:01,033
You know, there's,
"I knew he had it in him
769
00:44:01,067 --> 00:44:02,568
when he wouldn't open the door
for me one time,"
770
00:44:02,602 --> 00:44:05,004
- that sort of thing.
- You kicked a cat.
771
00:44:05,037 --> 00:44:07,073
I kicked a cat,
and one time,
772
00:44:07,106 --> 00:44:09,475
I jumped up out from behind
the bushes to scare Ann.
773
00:44:09,509 --> 00:44:10,676
Well, who hasn't done that?
774
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:13,112
And one time, it was that I...
775
00:44:13,146 --> 00:44:14,580
I-I walked along
the railroad tracks
776
00:44:14,614 --> 00:44:16,315
to see how long I could go
without falling off.
777
00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:17,683
I mean, come on.
778
00:44:17,717 --> 00:44:19,619
It's ridiculous.
Give me a break.
779
00:44:19,652 --> 00:44:23,589
Jumping out from the bushes
was never my thing anyway.
780
00:44:23,623 --> 00:44:27,560
There are a lot of myths
and misunderstandings about me.
781
00:44:27,593 --> 00:44:29,996
Like you're a...
a master of disguise.
782
00:44:30,029 --> 00:44:32,732
My God.
Yes, yes.
783
00:44:32,766 --> 00:44:35,501
Just half a dozen photographs
of my many faces.
784
00:44:35,535 --> 00:44:37,670
But they were all taken
within a 10-year period.
785
00:44:37,703 --> 00:44:40,206
They had
my graduation photo from '65
786
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,208
and my arrest photo from '75.
787
00:44:42,241 --> 00:44:46,312
If you grow a beard, say,
just innocently grow a beard
788
00:44:46,345 --> 00:44:49,282
or you come in...
789
00:44:49,315 --> 00:44:51,751
in a different mood,
wearing a different expression,
790
00:44:51,785 --> 00:44:54,587
people are gonna think you look
like a different person.
791
00:44:56,489 --> 00:44:59,225
But this is the myth
that they wanted to tell,
792
00:44:59,258 --> 00:45:01,294
the master of disguise.
793
00:45:01,327 --> 00:45:02,628
But when you were caught,
794
00:45:02,662 --> 00:45:05,064
you had to tell the police
who you were,
795
00:45:05,097 --> 00:45:07,133
even though you were
on the FBI's top-10 list.
796
00:45:07,166 --> 00:45:09,969
I told them.
They didn't believe me.
797
00:45:12,405 --> 00:45:14,207
When you were a fugitive,
did that list have
798
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:15,541
any bearing
on the way he behaved,
799
00:45:15,575 --> 00:45:18,311
My manner of survival,
800
00:45:18,344 --> 00:45:20,746
But to be honest...
and I don't mean
801
00:45:20,781 --> 00:45:22,615
to insult your intelligence
or anything...
802
00:45:22,648 --> 00:45:25,218
but I don't think
you all catch anybody.
803
00:45:25,251 --> 00:45:26,619
Not really.
804
00:45:26,652 --> 00:45:30,690
I mean, there are exceptions,
certainly, but...
805
00:45:30,723 --> 00:45:34,193
I think most guys get
themselves caught.
806
00:45:34,227 --> 00:45:36,596
Well, do you think sometimes
807
00:45:36,629 --> 00:45:38,331
they want to get caught?
808
00:45:38,364 --> 00:45:40,233
I never wanted to be caught.
809
00:45:40,266 --> 00:45:41,701
I know that's a top-tier theory,
810
00:45:41,734 --> 00:45:44,504
but it's more
pop psychology crap.
811
00:45:44,537 --> 00:45:47,406
No, the truth is, is that
nobody looks at those things.
812
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,810
Nobody keeps their eyes
peeled all day long,
813
00:45:49,843 --> 00:45:52,813
looking for somebody that they
saw on a "Most Wanted" picture.
814
00:45:52,846 --> 00:45:55,181
Even cops,
they walk around.
815
00:45:55,214 --> 00:45:57,583
They don't believe that they're
ever gonna run into that person.
816
00:45:57,617 --> 00:45:59,485
So all you have to do is
817
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,121
go about your day,
don't act weird,
818
00:46:02,154 --> 00:46:05,759
And everyone thinks
you're just a regular guy.
819
00:46:05,792 --> 00:46:07,426
I imagine that's
how serial killers
820
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:09,562
get their victims, as well.
821
00:46:11,865 --> 00:46:14,166
I imagine it is, too.
822
00:46:17,537 --> 00:46:19,672
You know,
we should write a book.
823
00:46:19,705 --> 00:46:21,741
You just said...
824
00:46:21,775 --> 00:46:23,476
No, no, no, not about me.
825
00:46:23,509 --> 00:46:26,245
About profiling.
826
00:46:26,279 --> 00:46:28,514
We could call it
"The Bill and Ted Show,"
827
00:46:28,548 --> 00:46:30,851
I'm not writing a book.
Not with you.
828
00:46:30,884 --> 00:46:32,752
- Not with anybody.
- Why not?
829
00:46:32,786 --> 00:46:35,187
Well, then I'd just be like all
the other prima donnas, right?
830
00:46:35,221 --> 00:46:37,089
But think about what
it could do for your career.
831
00:46:37,123 --> 00:46:38,491
My career's fine.
832
00:46:42,562 --> 00:46:46,499
You know,
if things were different,
833
00:46:46,532 --> 00:46:49,602
I could be sitting
in that chair.
834
00:46:49,635 --> 00:46:50,871
I could do what you do.
835
00:46:50,904 --> 00:46:52,839
I have no doubt about that.
836
00:46:52,873 --> 00:46:55,274
And if things were different,
837
00:46:55,308 --> 00:46:57,109
you could be out there...
838
00:46:57,143 --> 00:46:59,846
trolling the streets,
839
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,815
looking for the right girl.
840
00:47:04,517 --> 00:47:07,253
And getting to know her habits,
841
00:47:07,286 --> 00:47:10,857
how she does her hair.
842
00:47:10,891 --> 00:47:14,828
Which shoulder
she slings her purse over.
843
00:47:14,861 --> 00:47:18,799
Does she bite her nails?
844
00:47:18,832 --> 00:47:20,867
You could be that guy.
845
00:47:24,203 --> 00:47:26,305
If things were different.
846
00:47:32,345 --> 00:47:34,547
If things were different.
847
00:48:31,737 --> 00:48:33,272
The U.S. Supreme Court today
848
00:48:33,305 --> 00:48:35,876
said no to mass murder
Theodore Bundy.
849
00:48:35,909 --> 00:48:37,944
The court refused to set aside
Bundy's conviction
850
00:48:37,978 --> 00:48:39,780
and his death sentence
for the murder
851
00:48:39,813 --> 00:48:43,215
of a 12-year-old Florida girl
more than a decade ago.
852
00:48:46,352 --> 00:48:48,554
Boss man wants to see you.
853
00:48:52,893 --> 00:48:55,194
Come on in.
Close the door.
854
00:48:58,832 --> 00:49:00,700
What is it?
855
00:49:00,733 --> 00:49:02,869
Governor Martinez signed
a death warrant.
856
00:49:02,903 --> 00:49:04,537
How long does he have?
857
00:49:04,570 --> 00:49:07,473
- 60 days?
- 7 days.
858
00:49:07,506 --> 00:49:10,576
Seven days.
859
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:12,278
Can he do that?
860
00:49:12,311 --> 00:49:15,548
It's irregular as hell,
but it's legal.
861
00:49:15,581 --> 00:49:18,484
He's ready to talk.
862
00:49:18,517 --> 00:49:20,720
- He wants the deal?
- Yes.
863
00:49:20,754 --> 00:49:22,288
Said he's ready
to confess to everything,
864
00:49:22,321 --> 00:49:24,858
but he'll only talk
to one person.
865
00:49:24,891 --> 00:49:28,327
Well, it's about time.
866
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,263
You hold his hand,
you tell him who to talk to,
867
00:49:31,297 --> 00:49:32,732
go in the room, be in there,
868
00:49:32,766 --> 00:49:35,434
make sure he talks
instead of playing his games.
869
00:49:35,468 --> 00:49:39,039
We've got seven days to close
God knows how many cases
870
00:49:39,072 --> 00:49:41,975
and put these girls
and their families to rest.
871
00:49:43,743 --> 00:49:46,645
That I can do.
872
00:49:48,581 --> 00:49:50,984
We meet
on democracy's front porch,
873
00:49:51,017 --> 00:49:54,620
a good place to talk
as neighbors and as friends.
874
00:49:54,653 --> 00:49:58,390
For this is a day when
our nation is made whole,
875
00:49:58,424 --> 00:50:01,494
when our differences,
for a moment, are suspended.
876
00:50:01,527 --> 00:50:06,665
And my first act as President
is a prayer.
877
00:50:06,699 --> 00:50:08,567
I ask you to bow your heads:
878
00:50:08,601 --> 00:50:11,504
Heavenly Father,
we bow our heads
879
00:50:11,537 --> 00:50:13,907
and thank You for Your love.
880
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:17,710
Accept our thanks for the peace
that yields this day
881
00:50:17,743 --> 00:50:22,082
and the shared faith that
makes its continuance likely.
882
00:50:22,115 --> 00:50:24,483
Make us strong to do Your work,
883
00:50:24,517 --> 00:50:27,087
willing to heed
and hear Your will...
884
00:50:36,797 --> 00:50:38,497
Thank you.
885
00:50:38,531 --> 00:50:42,102
Well, look, we ran away
from the FBI to join the circus.
886
00:50:42,135 --> 00:50:43,569
It's a madhouse here.
887
00:50:43,602 --> 00:50:45,071
We got phones ringing
off the hook.
888
00:50:45,105 --> 00:50:47,040
I got inspectors coming
from all over the country,
889
00:50:47,073 --> 00:50:49,109
got media camping out
across the street.
890
00:50:49,142 --> 00:50:51,377
Now you're showing up
to join Team Bundy.
891
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:52,745
No, I'm just here
to coordinate.
892
00:50:52,779 --> 00:50:54,647
Carolyn's not
gonna see it that way.
893
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,017
- Who?
- She's the ringmaster
894
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:58,584
of Barnum, Bailey, and Bundy.
895
00:50:58,617 --> 00:51:00,653
His civil attorney.
896
00:51:00,686 --> 00:51:02,055
What does a civil attorney
have to do
897
00:51:02,088 --> 00:51:04,490
- with coordinating interviews?
- I don't know.
898
00:51:04,523 --> 00:51:06,392
You figure that out,
let me know.
899
00:51:06,425 --> 00:51:09,361
And also find out why
a civil attorney has to visit
900
00:51:09,395 --> 00:51:11,832
their client 80 times
in three years.
901
00:51:20,774 --> 00:51:22,508
Okay.
We need all signed petitions.
902
00:51:22,541 --> 00:51:23,877
All signed letters.
That Tanner letter.
903
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:26,112
- Let's find it.
- Hello.
904
00:51:26,146 --> 00:51:28,380
You be Special Agent Hagmaier.
905
00:51:28,414 --> 00:51:29,582
Bill.
906
00:51:29,615 --> 00:51:31,151
Mr. Bundy says good things.
907
00:51:31,184 --> 00:51:33,153
Not exactly sure
how to take that.
908
00:51:33,186 --> 00:51:35,922
- As a compliment.
- Excuse me.
909
00:51:35,956 --> 00:51:37,723
We're still putting together
the schedule.
910
00:51:37,757 --> 00:51:39,960
It was my understanding that
I was in charge of the schedule.
911
00:51:39,993 --> 00:51:41,694
Then you were misinformed.
912
00:51:41,727 --> 00:51:43,864
The governor's not gonna stand
for any more games.
913
00:51:43,897 --> 00:51:45,698
The governor
is the one playing games.
914
00:51:45,731 --> 00:51:48,101
He could've signed the death
warrant for 60 days, hell, 30.
915
00:51:48,134 --> 00:51:49,635
He signed it for 7.
916
00:51:49,668 --> 00:51:51,704
He's thinking more
about his own reelection
917
00:51:51,737 --> 00:51:53,439
than he is about
doing what's right,
918
00:51:53,472 --> 00:51:55,141
and if he wants to play
politics, then so can we.
919
00:51:55,175 --> 00:51:56,575
This isn't the time to take
920
00:51:56,609 --> 00:51:58,044
a stand
against the death penalty.
921
00:51:58,078 --> 00:51:59,745
This is exactly the time
to take a stand against it.
922
00:51:59,779 --> 00:52:01,047
There are people desperate
to find out
923
00:52:01,081 --> 00:52:02,615
what happened
to their daughters.
924
00:52:02,648 --> 00:52:05,551
- And we need to...
- Bill.
925
00:52:05,584 --> 00:52:07,954
It's good to see you again.
926
00:52:07,988 --> 00:52:10,190
I wish it were under
different circumstances.
927
00:52:10,223 --> 00:52:12,458
You and me both.
928
00:52:12,491 --> 00:52:14,526
Mr. Bundy, I was just
telling Mr. Hagmaier that...
929
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,529
He will be in charge
of conducting interviews.
930
00:52:19,732 --> 00:52:23,136
I don't think that's wise.
931
00:52:23,169 --> 00:52:25,205
Well, Bill knows most
of the guys here.
932
00:52:25,238 --> 00:52:27,640
The ones he doesn't
know him by reputation.
933
00:52:27,673 --> 00:52:30,743
There's no one here
they'll trust more than him.
934
00:52:30,777 --> 00:52:31,945
Okay.
If that's what you want.
935
00:52:31,978 --> 00:52:34,180
- It is.
- Okay.
936
00:52:34,214 --> 00:52:35,916
Mr. Hagmaier, you can
be excused, and we'll...
937
00:52:35,949 --> 00:52:38,852
What are you doing?
938
00:52:38,885 --> 00:52:40,586
We still need to brief
the investigators.
939
00:52:40,619 --> 00:52:42,554
Not without Bill here.
940
00:52:42,588 --> 00:52:45,125
I would like to remind you
that he's law enforcement.
941
00:52:45,158 --> 00:52:46,860
Right.
942
00:52:46,893 --> 00:52:49,095
Right. Look.
943
00:52:50,864 --> 00:52:53,133
I need a moment with Bill.
944
00:52:55,802 --> 00:52:57,137
I am not gonna leave you
alone with law enfor...
945
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:59,205
Carolyn.
946
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,808
I told you.
947
00:53:01,841 --> 00:53:04,911
This is different.
948
00:53:04,945 --> 00:53:06,545
This is Bill.
949
00:53:08,214 --> 00:53:10,683
He's my best friend.
950
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,688
Okay.
951
00:53:18,224 --> 00:53:21,828
You know, we're gonna clear out
the room and let them...
952
00:53:21,861 --> 00:53:23,797
let them have it.
953
00:53:35,909 --> 00:53:38,278
Bill, we both knew
this day would come.
954
00:53:38,311 --> 00:53:42,115
I'm absolutely certain that you
knew more about my activities
955
00:53:42,148 --> 00:53:44,884
and thought processes
than I was comfortable with,
956
00:53:44,918 --> 00:53:47,087
more than you ever let on.
957
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,521
How long have you known?
958
00:53:49,555 --> 00:53:51,992
Since the moment
you walked in here.
959
00:53:52,025 --> 00:53:54,060
Why didn't you
ever say anything?
960
00:53:54,094 --> 00:53:55,795
I didn't have to.
961
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:57,696
How long have you known
that I knew.
962
00:53:57,730 --> 00:53:58,999
Since the first moment
you walked in here.
963
00:53:59,032 --> 00:54:00,566
Then why didn't you
say anything?
964
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:02,268
Same reason.
965
00:54:02,302 --> 00:54:05,571
All this...
is it just theater?
966
00:54:05,604 --> 00:54:07,107
Or are you really gonna
go through with it?
967
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:09,876
- Can't it be both?
- No, it can't.
968
00:54:09,909 --> 00:54:12,611
The Florida Supreme Court came
back with their ruling tonight,
969
00:54:12,644 --> 00:54:14,247
7-2.
970
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,316
I mean, I have one more appeal
with the U.S. Supreme Court,
971
00:54:16,349 --> 00:54:18,918
but they really mean to kill me.
972
00:54:18,952 --> 00:54:20,987
They really want to kill me.
973
00:54:21,021 --> 00:54:22,889
You think this is funny?
974
00:54:22,922 --> 00:54:24,958
You've been sitting here
for eight years.
975
00:54:24,991 --> 00:54:26,692
What do you think
they brought you here for?
976
00:54:26,725 --> 00:54:28,594
It's just now starting
to sink in?
977
00:54:28,627 --> 00:54:31,231
Y-
I knew it.
978
00:54:31,264 --> 00:54:34,700
I knew I knew it,
but I just now thought about it.
979
00:54:34,733 --> 00:54:36,269
They're going to kill me.
980
00:54:36,302 --> 00:54:37,837
They're going to kill
my mother's son.
981
00:54:37,871 --> 00:54:40,306
Maybe they will.
Maybe they won't.
982
00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:42,909
You're right.
983
00:54:42,942 --> 00:54:45,145
Let the bastards try?
984
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,983
Look, you've got to do this.
You've got to come clean.
985
00:54:50,016 --> 00:54:52,085
I will. I'm gonna do what
I can in a major way.
986
00:54:52,118 --> 00:54:54,154
I'm gonna give them the truth,
but in a measured manner.
987
00:54:54,187 --> 00:54:56,122
You can't hold
these girls hostage.
988
00:54:56,156 --> 00:54:58,124
Not anymore.
That tactic will backfire.
989
00:54:58,158 --> 00:55:01,161
If anyone senses that you're
stalling on this, you're cooked.
990
00:55:01,194 --> 00:55:02,728
No, you're right.
991
00:55:02,762 --> 00:55:04,798
It's time to come clean.
992
00:55:04,831 --> 00:55:06,866
But we still have a couple
of cards up our sleeve.
993
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:08,634
- Like what?
- You'll see.
994
00:55:08,667 --> 00:55:10,270
You just focus on making sure
the investigators bring
995
00:55:10,303 --> 00:55:13,373
the right material
and stay on track.
996
00:55:13,406 --> 00:55:15,975
What's the plan?
997
00:55:16,009 --> 00:55:18,211
There are investigators
coming in from Utah,
998
00:55:18,244 --> 00:55:20,280
Colorado, Florida, Idaho,
999
00:55:20,313 --> 00:55:22,015
Idaho? Why Idaho?
1000
00:55:22,048 --> 00:55:23,883
I've got a couple surprises
for them.
1001
00:55:23,917 --> 00:55:26,286
I told you, you can't play games
with the governor of Florida.
1002
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:28,388
You're not in any position
to extend your life
1003
00:55:28,421 --> 00:55:30,656
by giving them some
Henry Lee Lucas kind of stuff.
1004
00:55:30,689 --> 00:55:32,658
- What are you talking about?
- Why Idaho?
1005
00:55:32,691 --> 00:55:34,726
Don't worry, Billy.
I got us covered.
1006
00:55:34,761 --> 00:55:37,297
- I dropped two in Idaho.
- "Billy, I got us covered"?
1007
00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:40,066
Why would I be happy that you
killed two girls in Idaho?
1008
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:42,135
No, you're right.
You're right.
1009
00:55:42,168 --> 00:55:44,370
But Florida isn't gonna
do anything for me.
1010
00:55:44,404 --> 00:55:48,007
Colorado, Washington, Oregon,
Utah can't do anything for me.
1011
00:55:48,041 --> 00:55:49,242
But Idaho...
1012
00:55:49,275 --> 00:55:50,810
They're gonna ask for more time.
1013
00:55:50,844 --> 00:55:52,345
And they can
petition the governor.
1014
00:55:52,378 --> 00:55:54,247
- Ted, you cannot...
- I'm not stalling.
1015
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,782
I'm not playing games.
1016
00:55:55,815 --> 00:55:57,317
I'm coming clean.
And if that means bringing
1017
00:55:57,350 --> 00:55:58,985
other states into the mix,
then so be it.
1018
00:55:59,018 --> 00:56:00,386
- How many?
- Five.
1019
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:02,122
Not how many states.
How many girls?
1020
00:56:02,155 --> 00:56:04,723
- Am I talking about?
- How many did you kill?
1021
00:56:04,757 --> 00:56:05,691
That.
1022
00:56:05,724 --> 00:56:08,094
Yes, that.
1023
00:56:08,128 --> 00:56:09,695
Let's say 30.
1024
00:56:09,728 --> 00:56:11,231
Let's say we talk
about the real number.
1025
00:56:11,264 --> 00:56:12,966
30 is a nice round number.
1026
00:56:12,999 --> 00:56:14,700
How many?
1027
00:56:14,733 --> 00:56:16,236
I don't know.
1028
00:56:16,269 --> 00:56:18,004
What do you mean you don't know?
1029
00:56:18,037 --> 00:56:21,307
I didn't keep score,
and it gets confusing.
1030
00:56:21,341 --> 00:56:23,443
I don't understand
what gets so confusing.
1031
00:56:23,476 --> 00:56:26,012
I'm not even sure
all of them are dead.
1032
00:56:26,045 --> 00:56:27,746
There are several girls,
1033
00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:30,884
girls that I hit over the head
and put in my car.
1034
00:56:30,917 --> 00:56:32,285
When I would drag them
out to the woods.
1035
00:56:32,318 --> 00:56:35,155
They would wake up,
sometimes in my arms.
1036
00:56:35,188 --> 00:56:37,824
Sometimes when I went back
to my car to get my tools.
1037
00:56:37,857 --> 00:56:39,292
They all took off
into the woods,
1038
00:56:39,325 --> 00:56:41,727
and I couldn't find them.
1039
00:56:41,761 --> 00:56:42,996
I'd go home.
1040
00:56:43,029 --> 00:56:45,932
I'd watch the news,
but not a peep.
1041
00:56:45,965 --> 00:56:47,767
No news.
1042
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,903
So did they run home
and change their name,
1043
00:56:49,936 --> 00:56:51,371
never to tell anyone
what happened,
1044
00:56:51,404 --> 00:56:53,806
afraid that I would
come back and try again?
1045
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,875
Or did they die in those woods?
I don't know.
1046
00:56:55,909 --> 00:56:59,479
So, it could be more than 30?
1047
00:56:59,512 --> 00:57:01,381
Then there are the dry runs.
1048
00:57:01,414 --> 00:57:02,949
Dry runs.
1049
00:57:02,982 --> 00:57:04,484
There are a lot
of girls I stalked,
1050
00:57:04,517 --> 00:57:07,420
learned everything about,
staked out my spot,
1051
00:57:07,453 --> 00:57:10,190
walked up to their door,
passed them on the street,
1052
00:57:10,223 --> 00:57:11,758
and just walked away.
1053
00:57:11,791 --> 00:57:13,259
Why?
1054
00:57:13,293 --> 00:57:15,795
Because every time
I did this, I asked myself,
1055
00:57:15,828 --> 00:57:17,330
am I going to kill this girl?
1056
00:57:17,363 --> 00:57:19,999
Sometimes I said no,
and I never went back for her.
1057
00:57:20,033 --> 00:57:21,733
I didn't understand.
1058
00:57:21,768 --> 00:57:23,436
Because the minute I say no
and couldn't walk away,
1059
00:57:23,469 --> 00:57:26,372
it was the minute I was
on the road to being caught.
1060
00:57:26,406 --> 00:57:29,842
Diane Leach.
1061
00:57:29,876 --> 00:57:33,279
I couldn't say no.
1062
00:57:33,313 --> 00:57:35,348
She was a mistake.
1063
00:57:35,381 --> 00:57:37,250
I should never have killed
a 12-year-old girl.
1064
00:57:37,283 --> 00:57:38,818
- She was a mistake?
- Yes.
1065
00:57:38,851 --> 00:57:41,754
- And the others?
- Choices.
1066
00:57:41,788 --> 00:57:44,157
Can't really call those
mistakes, can I?
1067
00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:45,959
So 30.
1068
00:57:48,228 --> 00:57:50,430
I can for sure admit to 30.
1069
00:57:52,532 --> 00:57:55,802
Why am I here, really?
1070
00:57:55,835 --> 00:57:59,772
Bill, we've spent a good deal
of time together.
1071
00:57:59,806 --> 00:58:02,075
Not as much as some
of the others.
1072
00:58:03,876 --> 00:58:05,511
Yes, but you knew all along,
1073
00:58:05,545 --> 00:58:07,513
and you treated me
like a human being.
1074
00:58:07,547 --> 00:58:09,782
You just wanted to understand.
1075
00:58:09,816 --> 00:58:11,851
I still do.
1076
00:58:11,884 --> 00:58:15,121
That's why you're here.
1077
00:58:15,154 --> 00:58:17,056
Each of the investigators
get two hours.
1078
00:58:17,090 --> 00:58:19,459
I have a handful
of other interviews.
1079
00:58:19,492 --> 00:58:21,527
And then
when everything is clear,
1080
00:58:21,561 --> 00:58:23,997
you and I will sit down
and have the conversation
1081
00:58:24,030 --> 00:58:26,399
you've wanted this whole time.
1082
00:58:26,432 --> 00:58:29,002
What are you going to tell me?
1083
00:58:29,035 --> 00:58:31,137
Everything.
1084
00:58:41,147 --> 00:58:43,249
What's this... gizmo?
1085
00:58:43,283 --> 00:58:45,585
This will pick up everything
you're saying
1086
00:58:45,618 --> 00:58:48,955
and everything that we're saying
over here on the other side.
1087
00:58:48,988 --> 00:58:51,224
Well, let's just
get it out in the open now.
1088
00:58:51,257 --> 00:58:54,193
Mike, I know you have
some intense feelings about me.
1089
00:58:54,227 --> 00:58:56,262
- No.
- Well, you may or you may not,
1090
00:58:56,296 --> 00:58:57,830
but if you think
I'm bullshitting you,
1091
00:58:57,864 --> 00:58:59,032
you tell me.
1092
00:58:59,065 --> 00:59:00,833
If I thought you
were just gonna...
1093
00:59:00,867 --> 00:59:03,136
jack it around all day,
I wouldn't be here.
1094
00:59:03,169 --> 00:59:05,204
All right.
1095
00:59:05,238 --> 00:59:06,839
I've been sent here
to talk to you
1096
00:59:06,873 --> 00:59:08,141
about Grand Junction.
1097
00:59:08,174 --> 00:59:10,009
Where?
1098
00:59:10,043 --> 00:59:12,245
And Vale.
1099
00:59:12,278 --> 00:59:16,049
Let's start with
Bountiful, Utah.
1100
00:59:16,082 --> 00:59:17,583
I really need a map for that.
1101
00:59:17,617 --> 00:59:19,452
Eugene, Oregon.
1102
00:59:19,485 --> 00:59:23,956
And then we'll move on
to West Linn and in Corvallis.
1103
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:28,961
So, where exactly, Mr. Bundy,
did you take these girls from?
1104
00:59:28,995 --> 00:59:30,430
- Excuse me?
- Well, there are a number
1105
00:59:30,463 --> 00:59:33,232
of unsolved disappearances
in the state of Idaho.
1106
00:59:33,266 --> 00:59:35,168
Frankly, sir,
we have no idea
1107
00:59:35,201 --> 00:59:36,536
which victims are yours.
1108
00:59:36,569 --> 00:59:38,538
Is there any need
as far as the Western slope
1109
00:59:38,571 --> 00:59:40,039
of Colorado is concerned,
1110
00:59:40,073 --> 00:59:43,309
for us to go back
before 1975,
1111
00:59:43,343 --> 00:59:46,145
maybe even as far back as '68?
1112
00:59:46,179 --> 00:59:48,614
No.
1113
00:59:48,648 --> 00:59:51,184
I didn't get to Colorado
until '75.
1114
00:59:51,217 --> 00:59:52,919
I really need a map for that.
1115
00:59:52,952 --> 00:59:54,987
I mean, didn't your
office tell you.
1116
00:59:55,021 --> 00:59:57,357
Yes, we're trying to get maps
down here as soon as possible.
1117
00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:58,591
The clock is ticking here,
so...
1118
00:59:58,624 --> 00:59:59,926
If you want
to describe the area,
1119
00:59:59,959 --> 01:00:01,194
I know it pretty well.
1120
01:00:01,227 --> 01:00:02,562
I could try.
1121
01:00:02,595 --> 01:00:04,997
Well, that was a long time ago.
1122
01:00:05,031 --> 01:00:06,199
I mean, that was...
1123
01:00:06,232 --> 01:00:11,371
There were... a lot...
1124
01:00:11,404 --> 01:00:13,506
There were a lot of girls
since then.
1125
01:00:13,539 --> 01:00:16,008
Did you clean the car
afterwards.
1126
01:00:16,042 --> 01:00:17,210
I don't remember.
1127
01:00:17,243 --> 01:00:19,178
If you were driving
60 miles an hour
1128
01:00:19,212 --> 01:00:21,147
traveling south for...
1129
01:00:24,016 --> 01:00:25,685
Didn't think there'd be math
on this test, did you?
1130
01:00:25,718 --> 01:00:28,454
- No, I did not.
- No, no, me neither.
1131
01:00:28,488 --> 01:00:31,557
You said that was north
of Pocatello?
1132
01:00:31,591 --> 01:00:33,126
- I don't know its name.
- Okay.
1133
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:34,627
But you drowned her there.
1134
01:00:34,660 --> 01:00:36,696
No, I drowned her
in my hotel room.
1135
01:00:36,729 --> 01:00:38,698
I only dumped her body
in the river.
1136
01:00:38,731 --> 01:00:41,300
And then what did you do...
1137
01:00:41,334 --> 01:00:44,070
after you killed her?
1138
01:00:44,103 --> 01:00:46,172
I'm trying to work
with you here.
1139
01:00:46,205 --> 01:00:47,240
I know.
1140
01:00:47,273 --> 01:00:48,608
Look...
1141
01:00:48,641 --> 01:00:51,444
I think we're getting
close to lunch.
1142
01:00:53,279 --> 01:00:55,148
Alright.
Let's break for lunch.
1143
01:00:55,181 --> 01:00:56,949
We'll resume this after.
1144
01:00:56,983 --> 01:00:58,384
Y...
1145
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,455
You're stalling.
1146
01:01:02,488 --> 01:01:05,124
No, I'm lying.
There's a difference.
1147
01:01:05,158 --> 01:01:07,393
What happened to giving up
everything in a major way?
1148
01:01:07,427 --> 01:01:09,128
- You didn't see it.
- See what?
1149
01:01:09,162 --> 01:01:13,099
- He knew her.
- What? Bull.
1150
01:01:13,132 --> 01:01:14,667
- How could you tell?
- I don't know.
1151
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:17,270
I don't know. Something
in the way he talked about it.
1152
01:01:17,303 --> 01:01:19,038
I don't know.
It was in his eyes.
1153
01:01:19,071 --> 01:01:20,740
I don't know if they were dating
or romantic or whatever,
1154
01:01:20,774 --> 01:01:22,642
but he had a relationship
with that girl.
1155
01:01:22,675 --> 01:01:24,343
Well, I didn't see it.
1156
01:01:24,377 --> 01:01:26,112
That's because you
weren't sitting across from him.
1157
01:01:26,145 --> 01:01:27,447
- You would've if you were.
- So, you didn't tell him...
1158
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,081
Because I didn't want
to tell that guy
1159
01:01:29,115 --> 01:01:30,383
that I made love
to his dead girlfriend
1160
01:01:30,416 --> 01:01:33,619
right before I cut her head
clean off.
1161
01:01:33,653 --> 01:01:36,556
Jesus.
1162
01:01:38,491 --> 01:01:42,261
I'm going to lunch.
1163
01:01:58,744 --> 01:02:01,314
Okay. Let's go back
to Grand Junction.
1164
01:02:01,347 --> 01:02:03,149
May I ask you something,
just briefly.
1165
01:02:03,182 --> 01:02:06,152
- Certainly.
- Did you know her?
1166
01:02:10,323 --> 01:02:12,058
Yes, I did.
1167
01:02:12,091 --> 01:02:15,161
I had a feeling.
I could just...
1168
01:02:15,194 --> 01:02:16,797
sense the emotion.
1169
01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:18,264
Well...
1170
01:02:20,767 --> 01:02:22,101
It's an emotional thing.
1171
01:02:22,134 --> 01:02:23,569
Sure, I know that.
1172
01:02:23,603 --> 01:02:25,371
I would appreciate it
if you didn't let that
1173
01:02:25,404 --> 01:02:27,240
color our conversation here.
1174
01:02:27,273 --> 01:02:28,608
I think we should
move on to Vale.
1175
01:02:28,641 --> 01:02:30,510
I still have a few more
questions about...
1176
01:02:30,543 --> 01:02:31,744
Vale.
1177
01:02:31,778 --> 01:02:32,745
You drive back safe.
1178
01:02:52,398 --> 01:02:55,067
So, about tomorrow.
1179
01:02:55,101 --> 01:02:57,570
- You mean the Dobson thing.
- What Dobson thing?
1180
01:02:57,603 --> 01:03:02,241
Some radio preacher,
televangelist.
1181
01:03:02,275 --> 01:03:03,509
Carolyn set it up.
1182
01:03:03,543 --> 01:03:04,778
We said no media
1183
01:03:04,811 --> 01:03:08,247
We'll you'll have
to talk to Carolyn.
1184
01:03:09,816 --> 01:03:13,419
Okay. Can you do me a favor?
Put your father on.
1185
01:03:13,452 --> 01:03:15,688
Hi.
1186
01:03:15,721 --> 01:03:17,423
No, it's...
1187
01:03:17,456 --> 01:03:20,526
no easier today, no.
1188
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,330
Comes with
the territory, right?
1189
01:03:26,767 --> 01:03:29,168
No, I'm leaving now.
1190
01:03:29,201 --> 01:03:32,271
I should...
1191
01:03:32,305 --> 01:03:34,440
I should go.
1192
01:03:34,473 --> 01:03:37,677
Okay. Yes.
I will see you soon.
1193
01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:39,745
Okay.
1194
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:41,647
Okay.
1195
01:03:41,681 --> 01:03:43,549
Yes, got to go.
Okay. Bye.
1196
01:03:43,583 --> 01:03:45,618
What's the schedule tomorrow?
1197
01:03:45,651 --> 01:03:48,154
- You have a very light day.
- I mean Dobson.
1198
01:03:48,187 --> 01:03:49,689
You won't be needed for that.
1199
01:03:49,722 --> 01:03:51,524
All of the interviews
are supposed to go through me.
1200
01:03:51,557 --> 01:03:53,225
All the law enforcement
interviews were to be
1201
01:03:53,259 --> 01:03:54,594
scheduled through you,
and they were.
1202
01:03:54,627 --> 01:03:56,162
What the heck are you trying
to pull here?
1203
01:03:56,195 --> 01:03:57,430
I'm just trying
to give my client a chance
1204
01:03:57,463 --> 01:03:59,465
to tell his side of the story.
1205
01:03:59,498 --> 01:04:01,200
Do you think Dobson will
petition the government for...
1206
01:04:01,233 --> 01:04:03,703
Dr. Dobson
is a very well connected man.
1207
01:04:03,736 --> 01:04:05,671
- We said no media.
- And he knows the rules.
1208
01:04:05,705 --> 01:04:07,139
He just wants to talk to him.
1209
01:04:07,173 --> 01:04:08,641
Ted will tell him what
he wants to hear.
1210
01:04:08,674 --> 01:04:11,344
- He wants a poster boy.
- And we'll give it to him.
1211
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:20,821
Dr. Dobson, this is
Special Agent Bill Hagmaier.
1212
01:04:20,854 --> 01:04:22,521
- Special Agent.
- Doctor.
1213
01:04:22,555 --> 01:04:24,423
It's good to meet you.
I've heard a lot about you.
1214
01:04:24,457 --> 01:04:26,425
You're doing
the Lord's work here.
1215
01:04:26,459 --> 01:04:28,160
We've done what we can.
1216
01:04:28,194 --> 01:04:29,362
But we still have
a lot of investigators
1217
01:04:29,395 --> 01:04:31,597
left to squeeze in.
1218
01:04:31,631 --> 01:04:34,367
Well, your two hours
are counting down.
1219
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,802
I won't keep you.
1220
01:04:39,906 --> 01:04:41,942
Carolyn, I'm going
to check on our setup.
1221
01:04:41,975 --> 01:04:44,710
Get me something to drink.
1222
01:04:44,744 --> 01:04:46,445
That was rude.
1223
01:04:46,479 --> 01:04:48,514
How long of an interview
can he get with all the setup?
1224
01:04:48,547 --> 01:04:49,749
The setup doesn't count.
1225
01:04:49,783 --> 01:04:51,617
What do you mean
it doesn't count?
1226
01:04:51,651 --> 01:04:53,185
This is a real production.
1227
01:04:53,219 --> 01:04:54,755
You don't just
point a camera and shoot.
1228
01:04:54,788 --> 01:04:57,690
How long?
1229
01:04:57,723 --> 01:04:58,892
We have seven hours blocked.
1230
01:04:58,925 --> 01:05:01,394
- Seven hours?!
- Correct.
1231
01:05:03,462 --> 01:05:04,965
He's guilty.
1232
01:05:04,998 --> 01:05:09,468
This won't help anyone.
1233
01:05:09,502 --> 01:05:11,270
Excuse me.
1234
01:05:17,944 --> 01:05:21,547
You are guilty of
killing many women and girls.
1235
01:05:21,580 --> 01:05:24,650
Is that correct?
1236
01:05:24,684 --> 01:05:26,385
Yes.
1237
01:05:26,419 --> 01:05:28,354
Yes, that's true.
1238
01:05:30,757 --> 01:05:33,492
Ted, how did it happen?
1239
01:05:33,526 --> 01:05:34,660
Take me back.
1240
01:05:34,694 --> 01:05:37,663
So much grief, so much sorrow,
1241
01:05:37,697 --> 01:05:40,934
so much pain for so many people.
1242
01:05:40,967 --> 01:05:42,334
Where did it start?
1243
01:05:42,368 --> 01:05:45,237
How did this moment come about?
1244
01:05:46,873 --> 01:05:48,407
That's part
of the tragedy
1245
01:05:48,441 --> 01:05:50,509
of this whole situation,
1246
01:05:50,543 --> 01:05:53,780
because I grew up
in a wonderful home
1247
01:05:53,814 --> 01:05:57,583
with two dedicated
and loving parents.
1248
01:05:57,616 --> 01:06:01,888
I'm one of five
brothers and sisters.
1249
01:06:01,922 --> 01:06:05,792
But AS a boy,
1250
01:06:05,826 --> 01:06:08,028
and I...
1251
01:06:08,061 --> 01:06:13,566
and I mean 12, 13...
1252
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,735
I encountered,
1253
01:06:15,769 --> 01:06:17,603
outside of the home again,
1254
01:06:17,636 --> 01:06:21,041
in the local grocery stores,
1255
01:06:21,074 --> 01:06:23,476
the local drugstores,
1256
01:06:23,509 --> 01:06:26,913
soft core pornography.
1257
01:06:26,947 --> 01:06:28,481
Soft core,
1258
01:06:28,514 --> 01:06:31,584
What people call soft core.
1259
01:06:31,617 --> 01:06:35,721
And as I think I explained
to you last night, Dr. Dobson,
1260
01:06:35,756 --> 01:06:39,025
an anecdote, as boys do,
1261
01:06:39,059 --> 01:06:44,396
we would explore
the back roads and sideways
1262
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:46,800
and byways of our neighborhood.
1263
01:06:46,833 --> 01:06:51,037
And oftentimes,
people would dump the garbage
1264
01:06:51,071 --> 01:06:54,340
or whatever they were clearing
out of their house.
1265
01:06:54,373 --> 01:06:57,077
From time to time,
we'd come across
1266
01:06:57,110 --> 01:06:59,678
old pornographic books
1267
01:06:59,712 --> 01:07:02,615
of a harder, more explicit,
1268
01:07:02,648 --> 01:07:04,350
graphic nature
1269
01:07:04,383 --> 01:07:05,886
than what we'd encounter
1270
01:07:05,919 --> 01:07:08,989
in, say,
your local grocery store.
1271
01:07:09,022 --> 01:07:10,891
And this included such things
1272
01:07:10,924 --> 01:07:13,325
as detective magazines.
1273
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:15,494
Those involved violence.
1274
01:07:15,528 --> 01:07:19,099
Yes, this is something
I want to emphasize,
1275
01:07:19,132 --> 01:07:20,733
is the... the...
1276
01:07:20,767 --> 01:07:24,537
the most damaging kinds
of pornography in...
1277
01:07:24,570 --> 01:07:28,507
And again, I'm talking
from personal experience here,
1278
01:07:28,541 --> 01:07:32,913
hard real personal experience,
1279
01:07:32,946 --> 01:07:37,050
are those that involve violence,
sexual violence,
1280
01:07:37,083 --> 01:07:40,753
because of the wedding
of those two forces,
1281
01:07:40,787 --> 01:07:44,891
I only know too well,
1282
01:07:44,925 --> 01:07:49,428
brings out a behavior
that is just...
1283
01:07:49,461 --> 01:07:53,566
too terrible to describe.
1284
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:56,502
We are your sons,
and we are your husbands,
1285
01:07:56,535 --> 01:07:59,605
and we grew up
in regular families.
1286
01:07:59,638 --> 01:08:02,943
And pornography can reach out
1287
01:08:02,976 --> 01:08:06,046
and snatch a kid out
of any house.
1288
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,480
It snatched me out of my home
1289
01:08:08,514 --> 01:08:10,549
20, 30 years ago.
1290
01:08:16,957 --> 01:08:19,525
...as good a Christian home...
1291
01:08:43,884 --> 01:08:45,185
Were you happy
with the interview.
1292
01:08:45,218 --> 01:08:46,887
Very.
1293
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,990
His message is going
to go out to the world
1294
01:08:50,023 --> 01:08:53,459
and save untold thousands
of lives and souls.
1295
01:08:53,492 --> 01:08:56,196
- And the governor?
- Is going to love this.
1296
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:58,530
So, you'll talk to him.
1297
01:09:02,635 --> 01:09:05,805
The governor was never
going to pardon him.
1298
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:08,607
He's a murderer.
1299
01:09:08,641 --> 01:09:10,844
But now he can go on
to meet the Lord
1300
01:09:10,877 --> 01:09:14,647
with a clean soul
and an unburdened heart.
1301
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,750
Thank you for this
tremendous experience.
1302
01:09:17,784 --> 01:09:19,752
This is going
to change lives.
1303
01:09:19,786 --> 01:09:22,688
And now, if you'll excuse me,
I have to go across the street.
1304
01:09:22,721 --> 01:09:24,224
No, we had
an agreement. No press!
1305
01:09:24,257 --> 01:09:25,524
This is too big.
1306
01:09:25,557 --> 01:09:26,860
The world needs to know why
1307
01:09:26,893 --> 01:09:28,594
he killed those girls.
1308
01:09:28,627 --> 01:09:30,496
It was a pleasure meeting you,
Bill.
1309
01:09:30,529 --> 01:09:31,865
Hi. It's me.
1310
01:09:31,898 --> 01:09:34,801
I need everyone down here ASAP.
1311
01:10:02,095 --> 01:10:04,998
Today in Florida,
a notorious serial killer is
1312
01:10:05,031 --> 01:10:08,101
sustaining a string of very
last-minute confessions.
1313
01:10:08,134 --> 01:10:11,737
Ted Bundy is trying
to stay his execution,
1314
01:10:11,771 --> 01:10:14,673
which is scheduled for tomorrow
in the electric chair.
1315
01:10:14,707 --> 01:10:16,642
Ted Bundy has now confessed
to at least some
1316
01:10:16,675 --> 01:10:18,711
of the violent murders
he's suspected of,
1317
01:10:18,744 --> 01:10:21,647
bringing some measure of relief
to the victims families.
1318
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,549
Jennifer Strother
was a co-worker
1319
01:10:23,582 --> 01:10:26,286
of Julie Cunningham,
a Vale ski shop employee
1320
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,021
Bundy has confessed to killing.
1321
01:10:42,168 --> 01:10:44,804
Bill. Word?
1322
01:10:47,907 --> 01:10:50,977
Bundy's people are calling
for a sanity hearing.
1323
01:10:51,011 --> 01:10:54,247
Well, that's straight
out of the playbook.
1324
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:55,982
Governor will send down
his people,
1325
01:10:56,016 --> 01:10:57,549
who will find him sane,
1326
01:10:57,583 --> 01:10:59,618
as the governor
has instructed them to do.
1327
01:10:59,651 --> 01:11:01,921
And then, of course,
Carolyn will call in her team
1328
01:11:01,955 --> 01:11:03,655
of heavy hitters,
who will...
1329
01:11:03,689 --> 01:11:05,724
They'll find him nuts,
whether he is or not.
1330
01:11:05,759 --> 01:11:07,626
Whether he is or not.
1331
01:11:07,659 --> 01:11:09,129
So, it will come down
1332
01:11:09,162 --> 01:11:11,898
to any interviewing
law enforcement officials
1333
01:11:11,931 --> 01:11:15,068
who spent significant time
with him.
1334
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,010
You're saying I'm the guy
that's actually gonna decide
1335
01:11:24,044 --> 01:11:26,079
whether or not
he gets the chair.
1336
01:11:26,112 --> 01:11:30,283
It's a hell of a thing
to put on to a man, but yes.
1337
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,889
That's who you want
to be president.
1338
01:11:35,922 --> 01:11:37,623
Former head of the CIA.
That's who you want.
1339
01:11:37,656 --> 01:11:39,959
Some one who knows
what it's like on the ground.
1340
01:11:39,993 --> 01:11:42,362
- Absolutely. Absolutely.
- You know?
1341
01:11:42,395 --> 01:11:45,098
- Get stuff done.
- Get it done. Get it done.
1342
01:11:45,131 --> 01:11:47,333
Hey, Bill, you've met
Assistant Warden Decker, right?
1343
01:11:47,367 --> 01:11:50,970
I think we met at
the Crime in America conference.
1344
01:11:51,004 --> 01:11:52,604
I don't remember.
1345
01:11:52,638 --> 01:11:55,641
Good evening, everyone.
1346
01:11:55,674 --> 01:11:57,709
Ted Bundy has 13 hours to live,
1347
01:11:57,743 --> 01:12:01,214
and he is using those hours to
try to buy himself more time.
1348
01:12:01,247 --> 01:12:03,183
Shortly after 2:30
this afternoon,
1349
01:12:03,216 --> 01:12:06,052
a diesel engine that will
power tomorrow's execution
1350
01:12:06,086 --> 01:12:08,822
arrived at the Florida
State Prison for testing,
1351
01:12:08,855 --> 01:12:11,758
showing the first signs
of what is to come.
1352
01:12:11,791 --> 01:12:15,995
You said he wanted to
do something for the families.
1353
01:12:16,029 --> 01:12:18,064
You don't exactly have a lot
of time left to do that.
1354
01:12:18,098 --> 01:12:20,900
We're still
waiting on the court.
1355
01:12:23,436 --> 01:12:25,205
...Bundy T-shirts for sale.
1356
01:12:25,238 --> 01:12:27,639
This one says,
"Burn, Bundy, Burn."
1357
01:12:27,673 --> 01:12:29,409
And the vendor says
business is good.
1358
01:12:29,442 --> 01:12:32,011
I'm not making a lot
of money on this.
1359
01:12:32,045 --> 01:12:33,379
But I'm getting
the message out.
1360
01:12:44,224 --> 01:12:45,925
And they say I'm crazy.
1361
01:12:49,762 --> 01:12:52,999
The governor isn't gonna call.
1362
01:12:53,032 --> 01:12:55,401
This is it, right?
1363
01:12:55,435 --> 01:12:59,873
The governor has identified
three psychiatrists, good ones.
1364
01:12:59,906 --> 01:13:01,774
They're interviewing staff,
administrators,
1365
01:13:01,808 --> 01:13:03,943
anyone who's come
in contact with you
1366
01:13:03,977 --> 01:13:05,879
to ask
if they've noticed any change
1367
01:13:05,912 --> 01:13:07,380
in your behavior
over the last week.
1368
01:13:07,413 --> 01:13:09,182
Well, that's alright.
1369
01:13:13,419 --> 01:13:15,822
They're gonna ask you.
1370
01:13:15,855 --> 01:13:17,190
I mean, who have you
spent more time with
1371
01:13:17,223 --> 01:13:18,758
over the last three days?
1372
01:13:18,791 --> 01:13:21,327
And if you tell them
that I'm not crazy...
1373
01:13:21,361 --> 01:13:23,763
I'll be executed.
1374
01:13:23,796 --> 01:13:26,698
That is the likeliest outcome.
1375
01:13:42,215 --> 01:13:44,784
I need to make a phone call.
1376
01:13:44,817 --> 01:13:45,985
You have
all the calls...
1377
01:13:46,019 --> 01:13:47,320
To my mother.
1378
01:13:49,856 --> 01:13:52,759
What the hell do I say to her,
Bill?
1379
01:13:52,792 --> 01:13:56,362
- I don't know how to...
- You tell the truth.
1380
01:13:56,396 --> 01:13:59,731
You apologize.
You say you're sorry.
1381
01:14:03,102 --> 01:14:05,305
Write her a letter.
1382
01:14:05,338 --> 01:14:07,273
I don't know how
to write that, Bill.
1383
01:14:21,287 --> 01:14:24,090
Alright.
Let's work this out.
1384
01:14:35,301 --> 01:14:37,170
Here you go.
1385
01:14:37,203 --> 01:14:41,374
Well, you're asking me
to do something.
1386
01:14:43,243 --> 01:14:45,878
Just start with, "Dear Mom."
1387
01:14:52,952 --> 01:14:54,487
Dear...
1388
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,923
How long's it been
since you've talked to her?
1389
01:15:00,994 --> 01:15:03,263
- Three years.
- We'll start with that.
1390
01:15:25,118 --> 01:15:27,553
You only have a few hours left.
1391
01:15:30,356 --> 01:15:32,292
What did you have in mind?
1392
01:15:35,194 --> 01:15:38,264
You told me once,
when you were ready,
1393
01:15:38,298 --> 01:15:41,367
you'd take me under the water.
1394
01:15:41,401 --> 01:15:44,137
I did.
1395
01:15:44,170 --> 01:15:45,405
So...
1396
01:15:47,340 --> 01:15:49,208
...where are we going?
1397
01:15:52,612 --> 01:15:54,314
I'm...
1398
01:15:54,347 --> 01:15:55,348
pretty tired.
1399
01:15:55,381 --> 01:15:56,916
I think I should get some rest
1400
01:15:56,949 --> 01:15:59,519
before the morning.
1401
01:15:59,552 --> 01:16:01,254
Ted...
1402
01:16:01,287 --> 01:16:03,489
you said you wanted to confess,
1403
01:16:03,523 --> 01:16:05,058
tell the truth.
1404
01:16:05,091 --> 01:16:07,126
You can't get right with God,
1405
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,063
holding all that in.
1406
01:16:10,096 --> 01:16:14,033
If you consider me a friend...
1407
01:16:58,311 --> 01:17:01,547
I'm going to...
1408
01:17:01,581 --> 01:17:04,650
take you somewhere...
1409
01:17:04,684 --> 01:17:08,187
that I've never
taken anyone before.
1410
01:17:12,225 --> 01:17:14,160
And I will do the talking.
1411
01:17:29,442 --> 01:17:31,310
She's...
1412
01:17:31,344 --> 01:17:33,045
beautiful.
1413
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:35,114
She's...
1414
01:17:35,148 --> 01:17:37,250
radiant.
1415
01:17:39,018 --> 01:17:41,454
And very familiar.
1416
01:17:43,556 --> 01:17:46,125
Her dad is sick.
1417
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:47,427
He's...
1418
01:17:47,460 --> 01:17:49,495
He's in and out of the hospital.
1419
01:17:49,529 --> 01:17:52,265
I hear her talking about it
1420
01:17:52,298 --> 01:17:55,468
over a pay phone.
1421
01:17:55,501 --> 01:17:59,105
He has heart problems.
1422
01:17:59,138 --> 01:18:00,640
I have a badge
1423
01:18:00,673 --> 01:18:03,075
that I got in the usual way,
1424
01:18:03,109 --> 01:18:06,179
a local police badge.
1425
01:18:06,212 --> 01:18:08,414
And tonight...
1426
01:18:08,448 --> 01:18:11,017
full moon.
1427
01:18:11,050 --> 01:18:12,552
She looks amazing.
1428
01:18:12,585 --> 01:18:15,588
She's exactly like one
of the girls from the magazines.
1429
01:18:15,621 --> 01:18:17,657
- The detective magazines.
- Spitting image.
1430
01:18:17,690 --> 01:18:19,559
Walk up to her.
1431
01:18:19,592 --> 01:18:21,627
I'm Officer Ted,
1432
01:18:21,661 --> 01:18:23,196
Officer Ted Bundy.
1433
01:18:23,229 --> 01:18:24,430
Something's happened.
1434
01:18:24,464 --> 01:18:26,332
She goes pale.
"What do you mean?"
1435
01:18:26,365 --> 01:18:28,000
"Your father's
had a heart attack.
1436
01:18:28,034 --> 01:18:30,636
I was sent to find you.
My car is over this way."
1437
01:18:30,670 --> 01:18:33,105
She rushes with me.
It all happened so fast.
1438
01:18:33,139 --> 01:18:35,408
She doesn't have time
to clock the police officer
1439
01:18:35,441 --> 01:18:37,376
is picking her up
in a Volkswagen.
1440
01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:39,312
I open the door for her.
1441
01:18:39,345 --> 01:18:42,448
Before she realizes there's
no passenger seat, wham!
1442
01:18:42,482 --> 01:18:44,083
I hit her
in the back of the head
1443
01:18:44,116 --> 01:18:46,319
with a tire iron.
1444
01:18:46,352 --> 01:18:47,520
She's out.
1445
01:18:47,553 --> 01:18:50,456
Isn't she beautiful?
1446
01:18:50,490 --> 01:18:53,059
Her dark hair parted
down the middle.
1447
01:18:53,092 --> 01:18:55,796
Gorgeous.
1448
01:18:55,829 --> 01:18:58,631
I want her so bad.
1449
01:18:58,664 --> 01:19:00,399
But no.
1450
01:19:00,433 --> 01:19:02,635
Not yet.
1451
01:19:02,668 --> 01:19:06,105
Stick to the plan.
Just a few more miles.
1452
01:19:06,138 --> 01:19:08,674
You can do whatever you want.
1453
01:19:08,708 --> 01:19:12,144
The air is cold.
It's crisp.
1454
01:19:12,178 --> 01:19:13,646
Now we're there.
We're there.
1455
01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:15,214
I drag her out of the car.
1456
01:19:15,248 --> 01:19:16,582
I drag her through the woods
1457
01:19:16,616 --> 01:19:19,352
to the place I have
all picked out.
1458
01:19:19,385 --> 01:19:20,553
That spot.
1459
01:19:20,586 --> 01:19:22,789
She's lying there
in the moonlight.
1460
01:19:22,823 --> 01:19:25,391
Her curves, her skin,
her blouse.
1461
01:19:25,424 --> 01:19:27,460
I can see her curves.
1462
01:19:30,864 --> 01:19:32,732
...don't get caught.
That's how you don't get caught.
1463
01:19:32,766 --> 01:19:34,801
I need my kit.
It's in the car.
1464
01:19:34,835 --> 01:19:38,271
Back of the wheel well.
Get rid of it after I'm done.
1465
01:19:38,304 --> 01:19:40,339
Never use the same kit twice.
That's you get caught.
1466
01:19:40,373 --> 01:19:41,808
You didn't let them
catch you with it.
1467
01:19:41,842 --> 01:19:43,743
You got to know
where to drop it.
1468
01:19:43,777 --> 01:19:46,412
...and I undress her.
1469
01:19:48,481 --> 01:19:51,551
I wrap the garrot
around her neck.
1470
01:19:51,584 --> 01:19:55,354
And I bend her over.
1471
01:19:55,388 --> 01:19:58,457
And I wake her with
the smelling salts.
1472
01:19:58,491 --> 01:20:01,394
And she wakes, and she screams.
1473
01:20:01,427 --> 01:20:03,797
Shhhhhh!
1474
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:06,399
"Please, please, please,
don't do this."
1475
01:20:06,432 --> 01:20:08,634
Don't cry. Don't cry.
1476
01:20:08,668 --> 01:20:12,438
- Just be quiet.
- Please, don't do this.
1477
01:20:12,471 --> 01:20:16,242
I live out all the fantasies.
1478
01:20:16,275 --> 01:20:17,610
I fuck her until I...
1479
01:20:17,643 --> 01:20:19,178
...I've ever dreamed of.
1480
01:20:19,211 --> 01:20:20,379
It's just that moment.
1481
01:20:20,413 --> 01:20:22,783
I wrap the garrot tighter.
1482
01:20:22,816 --> 01:20:23,884
I wring her neck.
1483
01:20:23,917 --> 01:20:25,551
I choke her.
She's bucking.
1484
01:20:25,585 --> 01:20:28,154
She's gasping.
1485
01:20:32,826 --> 01:20:35,896
I feel her going limp.
1486
01:20:35,929 --> 01:20:38,832
And...
1487
01:20:38,865 --> 01:20:40,600
I wrap her...
1488
01:20:40,633 --> 01:20:42,668
I wrap my arms around her.
1489
01:20:49,810 --> 01:20:52,545
And I turn her around.
1490
01:20:56,382 --> 01:20:59,619
And I kiss her.
1491
01:20:59,652 --> 01:21:03,589
I swallow her last breath whole.
1492
01:21:07,259 --> 01:21:10,162
She knows.
1493
01:21:10,196 --> 01:21:12,398
She knows...
1494
01:21:12,431 --> 01:21:14,634
that it's her last moments
on earth.
1495
01:21:14,667 --> 01:21:16,870
- And she's mine.
- This is it.
1496
01:21:16,903 --> 01:21:18,772
This is it.
1497
01:21:18,805 --> 01:21:20,841
She's mine.
1498
01:22:05,819 --> 01:22:08,220
We went out for food.
1499
01:22:08,254 --> 01:22:11,490
But nothing was open this late
but a gas station.
1500
01:22:11,524 --> 01:22:13,626
Thanks.
1501
01:22:18,597 --> 01:22:20,366
So, what'd he tell you?
1502
01:22:30,443 --> 01:22:31,711
Special agent.
1503
01:22:31,744 --> 01:22:33,612
Governor's team
is ready for you now.
1504
01:22:37,784 --> 01:22:39,652
Alright.
1505
01:22:39,685 --> 01:22:42,989
I think we have
everything we need.
1506
01:22:46,026 --> 01:22:48,929
Okay.
1507
01:22:48,962 --> 01:22:51,697
Thank you for your time,
Agent Hagmaier.
1508
01:23:19,391 --> 01:23:21,061
I failed.
1509
01:23:23,696 --> 01:23:26,833
No one could've saved him
after what he's done.
1510
01:23:29,735 --> 01:23:32,605
Carolyn...
1511
01:23:32,638 --> 01:23:34,841
you need to go home
to your husband,
1512
01:23:34,875 --> 01:23:38,011
go home to your kids,
get some sleep?
1513
01:23:40,546 --> 01:23:41,782
Has anyone ever told you
1514
01:23:41,815 --> 01:23:44,450
that you need to go home
to your kids?
1515
01:23:50,623 --> 01:23:54,560
I know what people say.
1516
01:23:54,593 --> 01:23:57,663
The guards, everyone.
1517
01:23:58,664 --> 01:24:00,533
About Ted and I.
1518
01:24:00,566 --> 01:24:02,035
People say things.
1519
01:24:02,068 --> 01:24:03,937
You want to know what
I think about Ted Bundy?
1520
01:24:03,970 --> 01:24:07,908
I will tell you.
I hate him.
1521
01:24:07,941 --> 01:24:13,612
I... I think I hate him more
than anybody I've ever hated.
1522
01:24:13,646 --> 01:24:14,915
Then why defend him?
1523
01:24:14,948 --> 01:24:18,384
Because murder is murder,
1524
01:24:18,417 --> 01:24:21,121
and... in the end,
1525
01:24:21,154 --> 01:24:24,758
we all have to be accountable
for what we've done,
1526
01:24:24,791 --> 01:24:26,993
and that includes me
as much as it includes Ted,
1527
01:24:27,027 --> 01:24:28,962
and it includes you, too,
1528
01:24:30,663 --> 01:24:31,998
Whether you realize it or not,
1529
01:24:32,032 --> 01:24:33,900
you just helped pull
the trigger in there.
1530
01:24:33,934 --> 01:24:35,969
It's between him and God now.
1531
01:24:36,002 --> 01:24:39,605
I just told the truth.
1532
01:24:39,638 --> 01:24:43,676
Him and God. Right.
1533
01:24:48,081 --> 01:24:50,549
God is what gets you
through this?
1534
01:24:54,453 --> 01:24:56,122
Goodbye, Bill.
1535
01:25:04,597 --> 01:25:07,499
"He maketh me to
lie down in green pastures.
1536
01:25:07,533 --> 01:25:10,436
He leadeth me beside
the still waters.
1537
01:25:10,469 --> 01:25:12,671
He restoreth my soul.
1538
01:25:12,705 --> 01:25:15,041
He leadeth me in the paths
of righteousness
1539
01:25:15,075 --> 01:25:16,776
for His name's sake.
1540
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:18,444
Yea, though I walk
1541
01:25:18,477 --> 01:25:20,013
through the valley
of the shadow of death,
1542
01:25:20,046 --> 01:25:23,850
I will fear no evil:
for thou art with me;
1543
01:25:23,884 --> 01:25:25,751
thy rod and thy staff..."
1544
01:25:25,785 --> 01:25:30,924
Look down and give
comfort to your son, Ted,
1545
01:25:30,957 --> 01:25:33,692
As he prepares to make
his final...
1546
01:25:33,726 --> 01:25:36,129
No! No!
1547
01:25:36,162 --> 01:25:38,031
In a place where thine...
1548
01:25:38,064 --> 01:25:39,598
The Lord of hosts.
1549
01:25:39,632 --> 01:25:41,167
He is the king of glory.
1550
01:25:46,873 --> 01:25:50,810
I can't fucking hear anything!
1551
01:25:55,849 --> 01:26:00,486
♪ And praiseth me ♪
1552
01:26:03,622 --> 01:26:08,494
♪ My song shall be... ♪
1553
01:26:29,149 --> 01:26:30,850
I wanted
to say something.
1554
01:26:30,884 --> 01:26:33,752
You know, while I still can.
1555
01:26:37,690 --> 01:26:40,592
Thanks for being here,
1556
01:26:40,626 --> 01:26:42,728
for being a friend.
1557
01:26:45,098 --> 01:26:48,634
Everyone always wanted
something from me.
1558
01:26:48,667 --> 01:26:50,203
I was a noteworthy client,
1559
01:26:50,236 --> 01:26:54,707
or... or... or another brick
on their road to salvation
1560
01:26:54,740 --> 01:26:58,845
or a name on their cover
to sell a book, but...
1561
01:27:01,047 --> 01:27:03,615
But you...
1562
01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:07,586
all you ever wanted from me
was to understand.
1563
01:27:07,619 --> 01:27:10,522
And that's all a friend is.
1564
01:27:10,556 --> 01:27:14,660
You know, someone
who wants to understand.
1565
01:27:14,693 --> 01:27:16,830
All they want to believe
is that the worst person
1566
01:27:16,863 --> 01:27:18,798
in the world got smoked?
1567
01:27:23,069 --> 01:27:25,972
You know what?
Screw that.
1568
01:27:26,006 --> 01:27:28,741
I'm not gonna give the state
the satisfaction of killing me.
1569
01:27:28,775 --> 01:27:31,845
They can bury me if they want,
but they can't kill me.
1570
01:27:31,878 --> 01:27:33,046
You see this pen?!
1571
01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:34,713
I can put this in my arm
right now.
1572
01:27:34,747 --> 01:27:36,816
I can bleed out before
anybody gets in here.
1573
01:27:36,850 --> 01:27:39,219
I've researched it.
I've seen other guys do it.
1574
01:27:39,252 --> 01:27:41,888
- I can do it.
- You don't think I trust you?
1575
01:27:41,921 --> 01:27:43,256
What, you want me
to grab that pen
1576
01:27:43,289 --> 01:27:45,691
and stop you from
killing yourself right now?
1577
01:27:45,724 --> 01:27:47,761
I'm not gonna do it.
1578
01:27:47,794 --> 01:27:50,864
If that's your plan...
1579
01:27:50,897 --> 01:27:53,099
But you wanted to do some good
before you went.
1580
01:27:53,133 --> 01:27:54,300
And I've done it.
I've done all I can.
1581
01:27:54,334 --> 01:27:57,070
- You said so yourself.
- Not all.
1582
01:27:57,103 --> 01:27:58,805
Those families,
1583
01:27:58,838 --> 01:28:02,142
they need to know that you
died for their daughter.
1584
01:28:02,175 --> 01:28:04,110
Each one of them independently
is going to believe
1585
01:28:04,144 --> 01:28:06,612
that you died
for their daughter.
1586
01:28:08,381 --> 01:28:11,284
That's why you have
to die in the morning.
1587
01:28:11,317 --> 01:28:13,086
It's for them.
1588
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:21,761
What's gonna happen to me?
1589
01:28:21,795 --> 01:28:23,729
I don't know.
1590
01:28:46,219 --> 01:28:48,188
I can't get what
I need from here.
1591
01:28:48,221 --> 01:28:49,823
What do you mean?
1592
01:28:49,856 --> 01:28:51,357
I have been reading
this fucking thing.
1593
01:28:51,391 --> 01:28:53,659
I just don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
1594
01:28:53,692 --> 01:28:57,130
Well, what we do know is you're
going to die in the morning,
1595
01:28:57,163 --> 01:28:59,332
and there will be
a final judgment.
1596
01:28:59,365 --> 01:29:02,102
How am I going
to explain all this to God?
1597
01:29:02,135 --> 01:29:05,205
There's a thing called remorse,
1598
01:29:05,238 --> 01:29:08,141
a thing called repentance.
1599
01:29:08,174 --> 01:29:11,778
Salvation has to come
from within first.
1600
01:29:11,811 --> 01:29:14,948
You're not gonna be able to lie
your way out of this one, Ted.
1601
01:29:18,184 --> 01:29:20,220
Seven days!
1602
01:29:20,253 --> 01:29:22,654
That fucking governor...
he gave me seven days!
1603
01:29:22,688 --> 01:29:24,357
It could've been 30.
It could've been 60!
1604
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:26,259
I could have had some time
to do some good.
1605
01:29:26,292 --> 01:29:28,328
I could have had time
to figure out how to live.
1606
01:29:28,361 --> 01:29:29,728
But that selfish bastard,
1607
01:29:29,762 --> 01:29:31,431
he wanted to put
a notch on his desk.
1608
01:29:31,464 --> 01:29:35,068
"I'm the guy who fried him!"
That motherfucker!
1609
01:29:35,101 --> 01:29:37,837
They want to kill me
for their own satisfaction,
1610
01:29:37,871 --> 01:29:39,372
all so they can feel better,
1611
01:29:39,405 --> 01:29:41,975
but they are not better than me.
1612
01:29:42,008 --> 01:29:45,411
They are not better than me!
1613
01:29:45,445 --> 01:29:48,181
Why, Bill?!
1614
01:29:48,214 --> 01:29:50,083
Why did this happen to me?
1615
01:29:50,116 --> 01:29:52,385
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!
1616
01:29:52,418 --> 01:29:54,454
You're asking me,
so I'm gonna tell you right now!
1617
01:29:54,487 --> 01:29:56,356
How many of your victims
had the opportunity
1618
01:29:56,389 --> 01:29:57,924
that you have?!
1619
01:29:57,957 --> 01:30:01,194
To prepare for death,
to call your mom?
1620
01:30:01,227 --> 01:30:04,130
You don't even know
how many girls there even were!
1621
01:30:04,164 --> 01:30:06,366
All those children!
1622
01:30:06,399 --> 01:30:08,168
All those children who died!
1623
01:30:08,201 --> 01:30:09,769
They weren't all children.
Most of them were women...
1624
01:30:09,802 --> 01:30:11,304
They were all somebody's child,
Ted!
1625
01:30:11,337 --> 01:30:13,206
You're somebody's child.
1626
01:30:20,180 --> 01:30:22,048
You're pissed at me, aren't you?
1627
01:30:23,449 --> 01:30:24,951
Yes, I am.
1628
01:30:24,984 --> 01:30:26,319
You think they should kill me,
don't you?
1629
01:30:26,352 --> 01:30:28,288
You think it's my turn to die.
1630
01:30:30,523 --> 01:30:33,860
Frankly, they probably should've
done it a long time ago.
1631
01:30:42,135 --> 01:30:44,237
I have to pray.
1632
01:30:51,477 --> 01:30:53,413
Mr. Hagmaier.
1633
01:30:57,250 --> 01:30:58,851
It's time.
1634
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:13,399
Will I see you out there?
1635
01:31:13,433 --> 01:31:15,201
Yes.
1636
01:31:18,404 --> 01:31:21,307
Did you get what
you came here for?
1637
01:31:21,341 --> 01:31:23,109
Do you know why I did it?
1638
01:31:28,047 --> 01:31:31,117
Because you wanted to.
1639
01:31:37,257 --> 01:31:39,525
I hope to see you
on the other side.
1640
01:31:43,563 --> 01:31:45,498
Could be.
1641
01:32:11,891 --> 01:32:17,030
♪ Na na na na,
hey hey, goodbye ♪
1642
01:32:17,063 --> 01:32:24,971
♪ Na na na na,
hey hey, goodbye ♪
1643
01:32:25,004 --> 01:32:27,540
Florida State Prison.
1644
01:32:27,573 --> 01:32:28,975
I'm sorry.
1645
01:32:29,008 --> 01:32:32,412
He's not available
at the moment.
1646
01:32:32,445 --> 01:32:35,248
I'll be sure
to give the message.
1647
01:32:39,185 --> 01:32:41,554
Look, Bill.
1648
01:32:41,587 --> 01:32:44,857
The warden invited
a family down.
1649
01:32:44,891 --> 01:32:47,293
To watch?
1650
01:32:47,327 --> 01:32:50,396
And they did a head count.
1651
01:32:50,430 --> 01:32:53,866
I was supposed to have a seat.
1652
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:55,468
Florida State Prison.
1653
01:32:55,501 --> 01:32:58,304
I'm sorry. He's not available
at the moment.
1654
01:32:58,338 --> 01:32:59,872
I'll be sure
to give him the message.
1655
01:33:02,475 --> 01:33:04,877
It's the warden's discretion.
1656
01:33:04,911 --> 01:33:06,546
He must have a big family.
1657
01:33:06,579 --> 01:33:09,148
He does.
1658
01:33:09,182 --> 01:33:11,017
I'm sorry.
1659
01:33:11,050 --> 01:33:12,218
They're ready for you, Paul.
1660
01:33:14,420 --> 01:33:16,489
I got to walk him down.
1661
01:33:16,522 --> 01:33:18,057
Can you man the phones?
1662
01:33:26,366 --> 01:33:28,234
Florida State Prison.
1663
01:33:28,267 --> 01:33:30,303
Is Ted Bundy there.
1664
01:33:30,336 --> 01:33:32,238
I'm sorry. He's not available
at the moment.
1665
01:33:32,271 --> 01:33:34,974
When you see him, will
you tell him, I smell bacon?!
1666
01:33:59,999 --> 01:34:01,667
Hello.
Hagmaier residence.
1667
01:34:01,701 --> 01:34:03,202
Hey, sport.
1668
01:34:03,236 --> 01:34:05,438
Hi, Papa.
I'm so excited!
1669
01:34:05,471 --> 01:34:07,206
I wanted to tell you
about this thing that...
1670
01:34:09,642 --> 01:34:11,344
That's great, buddy.
1671
01:34:11,377 --> 01:34:12,712
That's great.
1672
01:34:12,745 --> 01:34:14,280
Is Mama around?
1673
01:34:17,583 --> 01:34:19,285
There's more.
1674
01:34:19,318 --> 01:34:22,221
Like, the pirates
have all these swords.
1675
01:34:27,593 --> 01:34:29,462
That's wonderful, buddy.
1676
01:34:29,495 --> 01:34:32,231
Can you put
mama on the phone?
1677
01:35:56,741 --> 01:36:01,741
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