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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,916 --> 00:00:33,890 This is the beautiful land of Israel and Palestine. 2 00:00:37,254 --> 00:00:39,488 The world’s three most prominent religions 3 00:00:39,529 --> 00:00:44,839 Islam, Christianity and Judaism, consider it holy land. 4 00:00:52,817 --> 00:00:55,834 Each year, millions of people from around the world 5 00:00:55,834 --> 00:00:59,485 Come here to pray for peace and prosperity. 6 00:01:02,384 --> 00:01:05,462 Yet this land is also a major center 7 00:01:05,482 --> 00:01:07,968 of conflict in the world today. 8 00:01:08,859 --> 00:01:11,007 (gunshots) 9 00:01:14,710 --> 00:01:16,617 For Jewish Israelis, the conflict 10 00:01:16,637 --> 00:01:18,508 centers on protecting a homeland 11 00:01:18,508 --> 00:01:22,210 Created for the Jewish people in 1948. 12 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,872 For Palestinians, it is about 13 00:01:28,892 --> 00:01:31,398 resisting decades of colonialism, 14 00:01:32,093 --> 00:01:44,811 expulsion, occupation, and apartheid. 15 00:01:49,070 --> 00:01:51,461 (music) 16 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,419 Most people identify apartheid with the 17 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,062 grotesque system of control that existed 18 00:02:00,062 --> 00:02:03,167 in South Africa from 1948 to 1994, 19 00:02:03,187 --> 00:02:05,687 in which the white minority 20 00:02:05,687 --> 00:02:09,426 ruled over the black majority, stole their 21 00:02:09,446 --> 00:02:13,031 land, and deprived them of basic rights. 22 00:02:13,970 --> 00:02:16,626 It was a system reviled by the whole world, 23 00:02:16,646 --> 00:02:18,897 and it eventually crumbled under the 24 00:02:18,897 --> 00:02:20,816 combined pressure of internal 25 00:02:20,836 --> 00:02:23,577 resistance and international sanctions. 26 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,656 Today the word is back, and with it too 27 00:02:27,676 --> 00:02:30,552 is a growing global movement to end the 28 00:02:30,552 --> 00:02:34,094 Israeli form of apartheid. 29 00:02:37,226 --> 00:02:42,023 (music) 30 00:03:26,870 --> 00:03:30,932 (music) 31 00:03:47,803 --> 00:03:51,287 (music fades out) 32 00:03:56,161 --> 00:03:59,290 Time, October, 1948. A new leadership. 33 00:03:59,408 --> 00:04:01,865 It denies the morality of economic free 34 00:04:01,906 --> 00:04:04,912 for all. Its slogan: “To each his own.” 35 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:07,447 Its belief: parallel development, 36 00:04:07,488 --> 00:04:09,471 separate identity. Apartheid. 37 00:04:09,543 --> 00:04:11,769 The word Apartheid, is an Afrikaans word, 38 00:04:11,810 --> 00:04:16,593 Which simply means separateness, Being apart. 39 00:04:16,664 --> 00:04:19,013 So we had the wonderful term called separate 40 00:04:19,054 --> 00:04:21,792 development, but it was never intended to be equal. 41 00:04:21,838 --> 00:04:24,912 One could talk about the petty Apartheid. That 42 00:04:24,956 --> 00:04:27,721 was about the fact that almost from birth 43 00:04:27,721 --> 00:04:31,048 your life was separated from people of other races. 44 00:04:31,048 --> 00:04:33,311 You’d have to stand if the bus was 45 00:04:33,331 --> 00:04:35,419 full. If you went to the beach, 46 00:04:35,419 --> 00:04:37,641 there were some beaches you could not walk on. 47 00:04:37,641 --> 00:04:40,802 Those were the sorts of petty manifestations. 48 00:04:40,802 --> 00:04:44,485 But you had the real Apartheid, which for me was about 49 00:04:44,485 --> 00:04:48,601 the structural systems and policies of Apartheid, 50 00:04:48,621 --> 00:04:52,757 the way in which land was taken away from people. 51 00:04:53,616 --> 00:04:55,788 In the first post-war election, the 52 00:04:55,808 --> 00:04:57,879 white electorate voted into power 53 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,288 a group of men dedicated to the complete 54 00:05:00,308 --> 00:05:02,736 separation of the races in South Africa. 55 00:05:02,883 --> 00:05:07,121 The vision was to create a demographic 56 00:05:07,141 --> 00:05:11,289 white majority, at least of citizens, 57 00:05:11,289 --> 00:05:15,048 even though you were going to have the others in your midst. 58 00:05:15,351 --> 00:05:18,542 The entire nationalistic existence was 59 00:05:18,562 --> 00:05:21,608 at stake. It was going to be swamped 60 00:05:21,608 --> 00:05:24,328 by the black majority, so they 61 00:05:24,348 --> 00:05:27,368 evolved the concept of Apartheid. 62 00:05:27,637 --> 00:05:31,327 Ultimately the driving force behind it all 63 00:05:31,347 --> 00:05:34,626 was to create the white Afrikaner-led 64 00:05:34,626 --> 00:05:38,155 nation so that Afrikanerdom could sustain its 65 00:05:38,175 --> 00:05:41,086 permanent existence as a national entity. 66 00:05:43,902 --> 00:05:47,607 Now united, the folk would decide South Africa’s destiny. 67 00:05:47,779 --> 00:05:50,633 The years of division, of second-class citizenship, 68 00:05:50,803 --> 00:05:53,028 had conditioned Afrikaners to thinking 69 00:05:53,048 --> 00:05:55,120 of themselves as a people besieged. 70 00:05:56,026 --> 00:05:58,988 Afrikaner history formed a sort 71 00:05:59,008 --> 00:06:02,297 of self-contained moral universe. 72 00:06:02,338 --> 00:06:04,985 Whereas the rest of the world saw them as 73 00:06:05,026 --> 00:06:07,681 oppressors, as colonizers, as racists, 74 00:06:08,133 --> 00:06:12,057 they saw themselves primarily as victims, settlers 75 00:06:12,077 --> 00:06:16,000 who were escaping religious persecution in Europe. 76 00:06:16,041 --> 00:06:19,933 They saw themselves as fighting for self-determination. 77 00:06:22,358 --> 00:06:24,843 In 1836, in an extraordinary gesture 78 00:06:24,863 --> 00:06:26,894 of self-reliance and courage, 79 00:06:26,894 --> 00:06:29,647 2,000 Afrikaners crossed the Orange River into the 80 00:06:29,667 --> 00:06:32,276 wilderness, out of the bondage of British rule. 81 00:06:36,185 --> 00:06:38,500 The first time in history that the 82 00:06:38,541 --> 00:06:40,933 term concentration camp appears, 83 00:06:41,114 --> 00:06:44,446 is in Afrikaner history. About 10% of the 84 00:06:44,487 --> 00:06:48,258 population died in British concentration camps. 85 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:52,844 So for them, Apartheid was about survival, 86 00:06:52,885 --> 00:06:57,274 about self-determination, about redemption, 87 00:06:57,524 --> 00:07:00,771 about preserving a way of life. You see 88 00:07:00,791 --> 00:07:03,422 a very similar pattern in Zionism. 89 00:07:03,977 --> 00:07:07,030 Despite that Palestinians experienced it as 90 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:10,373 a very aggressive colonizing movement that 91 00:07:10,373 --> 00:07:13,918 has dispossessed them Israelis are capable of 92 00:07:13,938 --> 00:07:17,271 seeing themselves as victims, as survivors 93 00:07:17,271 --> 00:07:20,032 of drawing on Jewish history in 94 00:07:20,052 --> 00:07:23,141 order to justify their status quo. 95 00:07:23,182 --> 00:07:25,653 It’s important to address that. It’s 96 00:07:25,694 --> 00:07:28,319 important to address them with empathy 97 00:07:28,424 --> 00:07:31,979 and to say, “I don’t accept what you do, 98 00:07:31,999 --> 00:07:35,430 but I understand what the motivation is”, 99 00:07:35,471 --> 00:07:38,056 and to be able to talk about that. 100 00:07:47,088 --> 00:07:50,510 (ambient sounds) 101 00:07:56,299 --> 00:07:58,760 We feel that the concept of Apartheid 102 00:07:58,801 --> 00:08:01,152 is really crucial for understanding 103 00:08:01,152 --> 00:08:03,770 what’s happening here, and where Israel 104 00:08:03,790 --> 00:08:06,230 is going, because it’s the only term 105 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:09,639 that accurately defines the system 106 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,111 that Israel is trying to develop. 107 00:08:12,111 --> 00:08:15,964 It isn’t just a policy. It’s not just discrimination. 108 00:08:15,964 --> 00:08:18,537 It’s the way the system is structured. 109 00:08:18,537 --> 00:08:21,331 It’s separation of populations in which one 110 00:08:21,351 --> 00:08:23,910 group permanently and institutionatally 111 00:08:23,910 --> 00:08:25,603 dominates another group. 112 00:08:26,162 --> 00:08:27,818 It’s getting to the point where there 113 00:08:27,838 --> 00:08:29,301 isn’t going to be a Jewish majority. 114 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:31,853 If you take the entirety of Israel and 115 00:08:31,873 --> 00:08:33,930 the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, 116 00:08:33,971 --> 00:08:37,016 we’re at the point now where it’s roughly 50/50. 117 00:08:37,126 --> 00:08:40,847 And that’s before any Palestinian refugees return. 118 00:08:46,446 --> 00:08:49,351 Palestinians are broadly categorized 119 00:08:49,371 --> 00:08:51,079 into three main groups. 120 00:08:51,495 --> 00:08:53,824 The majority of Palestinians are refugees 121 00:08:53,844 --> 00:08:56,305 who were forced out of the land that became 122 00:08:56,305 --> 00:09:00,657 Israel in 1948. Today they number over 6 123 00:09:00,698 --> 00:09:03,609 million people and still live in refugee camps 124 00:09:03,650 --> 00:09:06,782 in places like Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. 125 00:09:10,678 --> 00:09:12,989 A second group are the Palestinians 126 00:09:13,009 --> 00:09:15,211 who managed to stay inside Israel 127 00:09:15,211 --> 00:09:19,514 during the 1948 war and became Israeli citizens. 128 00:09:22,837 --> 00:09:26,202 And lastly, there are the 5 million Palestinians 129 00:09:26,222 --> 00:09:28,839 living in the occupied territories: 130 00:09:28,839 --> 00:09:33,055 the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. 131 00:09:33,372 --> 00:09:37,712 This territory is defined by what is known as the green line. 132 00:09:39,862 --> 00:09:42,915 This is land that Israel occupied in the 133 00:09:42,956 --> 00:09:46,554 1967 war, and still controls to this day. 134 00:09:47,695 --> 00:09:51,063 Palestinians in these areas do not have Israeli 135 00:09:51,104 --> 00:09:54,969 citizenship, nor do they have a state of their own. 136 00:10:04,111 --> 00:10:07,049 (children shouting) 137 00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:19,123 What you have in the West Bank is two entirely 138 00:10:19,164 --> 00:10:22,298 separate and unequal geographies that are 139 00:10:22,361 --> 00:10:27,359 super-imposed on each other, but exist separately. 140 00:10:27,662 --> 00:10:31,629 You have the Palestinians who are cut off 141 00:10:31,649 --> 00:10:35,920 into dozens of ghettos, literally surrounded 142 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,743 by walls and physical barriers, with 143 00:10:38,784 --> 00:10:41,508 little access to work, to education. 144 00:10:41,794 --> 00:10:44,754 Even the basic means of survival; food 145 00:10:44,774 --> 00:10:47,907 and water is often difficult to come by. 146 00:10:47,907 --> 00:10:53,214 And then super-imposed on that you have the settlers, 147 00:10:53,214 --> 00:10:56,971 who live in what look like American-style 148 00:10:56,991 --> 00:11:01,038 suburbs, very spacious, very luxurious homes 149 00:11:01,038 --> 00:11:04,413 with swimming pools, with access to water. 150 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,286 Immediately after the 1967 occupation, Israel 151 00:11:08,327 --> 00:11:11,163 began building Jewish-only settlements 152 00:11:11,204 --> 00:11:13,701 in the occupied territories and started 153 00:11:13,742 --> 00:11:16,637 moving its population into these settlements, 154 00:11:16,757 --> 00:11:20,611 a practice that is illegal under international law. 155 00:11:21,047 --> 00:11:23,865 There are approximately 220 Jewish-only 156 00:11:23,906 --> 00:11:27,055 settlements scattered throughout the West Bank. 157 00:11:27,055 --> 00:11:29,758 Their territorial jurisdiction includes not only 158 00:11:29,778 --> 00:11:32,389 the Palestinian land upon which they’re built, 159 00:11:32,389 --> 00:11:35,019 but often the land that surrounds the settlements 160 00:11:35,019 --> 00:11:39,055 which is reserved for their so-called natural growth. 161 00:11:40,184 --> 00:11:43,375 Each of those settlements, every single one of 162 00:11:43,395 --> 00:11:46,402 them, is only allocated to Jewish Israelis. 163 00:11:46,402 --> 00:11:49,651 Roughly 60% of the West Bank is allocated to, 164 00:11:49,671 --> 00:11:52,584 or controlled by the settlements, or the 165 00:11:52,584 --> 00:11:54,477 military installations. 166 00:11:55,768 --> 00:11:58,833 What we see in the last 40 years is 167 00:11:58,833 --> 00:12:04,154 vast Israeli government efforts and vast amounts of public money 168 00:12:04,154 --> 00:12:07,322 spent and poured into allocating land in the territories, 169 00:12:07,322 --> 00:12:12,774 building settlements on it, and encouraging Israelis to move out 170 00:12:12,774 --> 00:12:15,020 of Israel and into these settlements. 171 00:12:20,528 --> 00:12:24,817 Gilo is, I think, a neighborhood where everybody is living. 172 00:12:25,361 --> 00:12:29,546 Because if you can’t afford to live in the center 173 00:12:29,587 --> 00:12:32,204 of the city, you move out to the new neighborhoods, 174 00:12:32,204 --> 00:12:34,884 and you’re going to find you have everybody 175 00:12:34,904 --> 00:12:37,788 living over here, religious and not religious; 176 00:12:37,788 --> 00:12:40,762 more people to the left, people to the right, 177 00:12:40,762 --> 00:12:47,094 because most people look at Gilo as part of Jerusalem. 178 00:12:48,081 --> 00:12:50,514 This is Gilo settlement, which was 179 00:12:50,534 --> 00:12:53,058 annexed in the ‘80s and early ‘90s. 180 00:12:53,058 --> 00:12:55,954 They started building it in the mid-‘80s, 181 00:12:55,954 --> 00:12:59,301 and they started bringing in caravans, then it started being 182 00:12:59,301 --> 00:13:01,798 built up and built up until it became 183 00:13:01,818 --> 00:13:04,334 a very big neighborhood of Jerusalem, 184 00:13:04,334 --> 00:13:07,837 accommodating thousands of settlers’ families. 185 00:13:07,878 --> 00:13:10,169 On Palestinian land. The people there 186 00:13:10,210 --> 00:13:12,461 didn’t sell the land. They stole it. 187 00:13:13,404 --> 00:13:18,272 There was a decision taken by Israel in 1967 188 00:13:18,495 --> 00:13:23,048 that Jerusalem should be reunited as one city 189 00:13:23,225 --> 00:13:26,505 and part of that political agenda was to build and 190 00:13:26,546 --> 00:13:29,633 establish on the hills surrounding Jerusalem, 191 00:13:29,722 --> 00:13:31,881 new Jewish neighborhoods in a way 192 00:13:31,922 --> 00:13:34,101 that would make it very difficult 193 00:13:34,127 --> 00:13:38,352 to, again, divide the city into two parts. 194 00:13:38,395 --> 00:13:40,619 The settlements were not built for security. 195 00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:44,985 They were built out of a proactive claim to the country. 196 00:13:45,555 --> 00:13:47,236 The words mislead. 197 00:13:47,236 --> 00:13:50,182 They're not a couple of little trailers on the hillside. 198 00:13:50,182 --> 00:13:54,282 These are cities of 40, 50, 60, 70,000 people. 199 00:13:54,766 --> 00:13:57,676 They’re built over water aquifers. 200 00:13:57,676 --> 00:13:59,285 They’re built at key junctions. 201 00:13:59,305 --> 00:14:01,196 They’re built on certain hilltops. 202 00:14:01,196 --> 00:14:02,891 They’re built to control movement. 203 00:14:02,911 --> 00:14:04,724 They’re built to control the border. 204 00:14:04,724 --> 00:14:07,930 Every settlement has its rationale. 205 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,666 We can see from here the village 206 00:14:13,666 --> 00:14:16,719 extended toward the settlement of Ariel, 207 00:14:16,739 --> 00:14:20,036 which is located above the hill over there. 208 00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:24,157 Ariel, located in the heart of the West Bank, 209 00:14:24,427 --> 00:14:27,897 25 kilometers to the east of the green line. 210 00:14:27,897 --> 00:14:31,898 There’s a very important aquifer located underground, 211 00:14:31,898 --> 00:14:35,032 under this area, which the Israelis are 212 00:14:35,073 --> 00:14:38,527 stealing. They are enjoying the water. 213 00:14:38,578 --> 00:14:42,106 They are irrigating their gardens, washing their cars 214 00:14:42,106 --> 00:14:46,224 and playing with their dogs with water, and 215 00:14:46,244 --> 00:14:50,001 here we are suffering a shortage of water. 216 00:14:50,337 --> 00:14:53,022 Per capita Israelis use about six 217 00:14:53,042 --> 00:14:55,878 or seven times the amount of water 218 00:14:55,878 --> 00:14:58,820 that Palestinians use, and many times in the 219 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,801 summer months Palestinians do not get water, 220 00:15:01,801 --> 00:15:04,186 even though it’s their water that’s being pumped 221 00:15:04,206 --> 00:15:06,317 out by the Israelis and sold back to them, 222 00:15:06,317 --> 00:15:08,516 they don’t get sufficient supplies. 223 00:15:09,557 --> 00:15:13,179 They cut off water in summer, meaning that we will be 224 00:15:13,563 --> 00:15:18,090 without water for three or four months of the year, 225 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:22,018 so we try to compensate for that by collecting the rain 226 00:15:22,018 --> 00:15:26,078 in the cisterns and the wells, which is not healthy. 227 00:15:26,078 --> 00:15:28,073 But we are forced to use this 228 00:15:28,093 --> 00:15:30,524 water, which causes many diseases 229 00:15:30,524 --> 00:15:33,518 for the children and for the inhabitants in the village. 230 00:15:33,518 --> 00:15:36,525 And my daughter was one case of 231 00:15:36,545 --> 00:15:40,060 that; she got a very bad infection 232 00:15:40,060 --> 00:15:44,165 because of the water, and she got kidney failure. 233 00:15:49,774 --> 00:15:53,234 Apartheid was the attempt to separate people 234 00:15:53,254 --> 00:15:56,733 and allow resources and privilege and rights 235 00:15:56,733 --> 00:15:59,534 to flow to people on the basis of the separate 236 00:15:59,554 --> 00:16:01,641 groups in which they were categorized. 237 00:16:04,287 --> 00:16:05,741 And so the settlements are very 238 00:16:05,782 --> 00:16:07,637 strategic; it’s not just real estate. 239 00:16:07,921 --> 00:16:11,307 They were built out of aproactive claim to the country. 240 00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,253 Nowhere is the government’s separation 241 00:16:59,273 --> 00:17:01,703 principal shown so starkly as in the city 242 00:17:01,703 --> 00:17:03,886 of Hebron, a city deep in the heart 243 00:17:03,906 --> 00:17:06,048 of the West Bank with a population 244 00:17:06,048 --> 00:17:09,040 of about 160,000 Palestinians. 245 00:17:09,891 --> 00:17:12,596 In the middle of Hebron, in Palestinian 246 00:17:12,596 --> 00:17:15,104 homes, often vacated under severe 247 00:17:15,124 --> 00:17:17,726 pressure, live 600 Jewish settlers 248 00:17:17,726 --> 00:17:22,059 cordoned off and protected by thousands of soldiers. 249 00:17:23,574 --> 00:17:26,663 Although neighbors, these two populations live 250 00:17:26,683 --> 00:17:29,659 under two separate and unequal sets of laws. 251 00:17:29,659 --> 00:17:33,629 Jewish settlers in the West Bank live under Israeli civil law, 252 00:17:33,629 --> 00:17:37,852 while Palestinians live under Israeli military law. 253 00:18:18,375 --> 00:18:21,253 The settler population in the West Bank 254 00:18:21,273 --> 00:18:23,882 is roughly 500,000. The Palestinian 255 00:18:23,882 --> 00:18:27,891 population in that same area is roughly 2.5 million. 256 00:18:28,692 --> 00:18:34,917 So we have a classic situation of an ethnic minority claiming 257 00:18:34,917 --> 00:18:37,962 the entire country, a large territory, 258 00:18:38,251 --> 00:18:40,621 and then, now, what do with the natives? 259 00:18:40,621 --> 00:18:42,969 What do you do with the non-whoever 260 00:18:43,010 --> 00:18:45,636 you are? in this case, the non-Jews. 261 00:18:48,731 --> 00:18:51,959 In South Africa, the architecture was 262 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,724 amazing. First, you give people an identity. 263 00:18:55,724 --> 00:18:58,698 Then, of course, you give people pass laws, 264 00:18:58,718 --> 00:19:01,440 so you define how they can move freely, 265 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,935 and you construct blockages for the movement of people. 266 00:19:05,935 --> 00:19:08,268 Control was exerted through a complicated 267 00:19:08,288 --> 00:19:10,697 pass system that determined when and where 268 00:19:10,697 --> 00:19:13,376 an African could move. These passes 269 00:19:13,396 --> 00:19:15,796 became one of the most detested 270 00:19:15,796 --> 00:19:18,290 symbols of apartheid. 271 00:19:21,236 --> 00:19:24,134 The issue of the pass was much more than a 272 00:19:24,154 --> 00:19:27,275 question of identity or an identity document. 273 00:19:27,275 --> 00:19:31,242 It was a mechanism to ensure the control over 274 00:19:31,262 --> 00:19:34,618 people’s movement and where people lived. 275 00:20:06,358 --> 00:20:08,655 Today in occupied Palestine, 276 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:12,150 Palestinians must carry IDs at all times 277 00:20:12,150 --> 00:20:15,798 that essentially dictate where they can live, work and move. 278 00:20:15,993 --> 00:20:18,952 A complex system of movement restrictions 279 00:20:18,993 --> 00:20:22,468 requires special permits to enter certain areas. 280 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:29,600 There are over 600 manned checkpoints and 281 00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:31,946 physical roadblocks in the West Bank 282 00:20:31,946 --> 00:20:34,391 that restrict the freedom of movement of 283 00:20:34,432 --> 00:20:37,134 Palestinians. Only 36 of these separate 284 00:20:37,175 --> 00:20:39,057 Israel and the West Bank. 285 00:20:39,299 --> 00:20:42,357 The rest separate Palestinian towns 286 00:20:42,377 --> 00:20:44,942 from other Palestinian towns. 287 00:20:52,368 --> 00:20:55,746 Abuse, beatings, humiliation at the checkpoints 288 00:20:55,766 --> 00:20:58,862 is a routine part of the experience. 289 00:20:58,862 --> 00:21:05,048 It’s part of the systematic disempowerment of Palestinians, 290 00:21:05,048 --> 00:21:08,282 placing an entire population at the mercy of 291 00:21:08,323 --> 00:21:11,762 18, 19-year-old soldiers who have absolute 292 00:21:11,867 --> 00:21:15,196 power over the lives of Palestinians. 293 00:21:21,287 --> 00:21:23,278 How many? Is it over 60 women who have 294 00:21:23,298 --> 00:21:25,361 given birth at checkpoints because some 295 00:21:25,361 --> 00:21:29,098 silly kid won’t let them through, or taking 296 00:21:29,118 --> 00:21:32,071 20 minutes to let an ambulance through? 297 00:23:29,633 --> 00:23:32,725 I have been able to visit Israel and 298 00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:36,025 Palestine, on more than two occasions. 299 00:23:36,025 --> 00:23:43,986 And what I experienced there was such a crude reminder of a 300 00:23:43,986 --> 00:23:47,765 painful past in Apartheid South Africa. 301 00:23:49,065 --> 00:23:52,632 We were largely controlled in the same way. 302 00:23:54,882 --> 00:23:58,577 The continuous checking at the roadblocks, 303 00:23:58,577 --> 00:24:02,208 and to see these young men and young 304 00:24:02,228 --> 00:24:05,484 women standing at the roadblock, 305 00:24:05,484 --> 00:24:11,494 having to perform the duties of a military junta. 306 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:25,399 These parallels with Israel pained me severely while 307 00:24:25,419 --> 00:24:28,554 I was travelling through that lovely country. 308 00:24:38,973 --> 00:24:41,833 The settlements are linked by modern 309 00:24:41,874 --> 00:24:45,100 superhighways, which are Jewish-only roads. 310 00:24:45,444 --> 00:24:47,921 Palestinians are not allowed to use them, 311 00:24:48,596 --> 00:24:52,116 and these super highways crisscross 312 00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:56,749 across Palestinian land, linking the settlements together, 313 00:24:56,843 --> 00:25:03,843 and linking them with Israeli cities inside the 1948 borders. 314 00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:06,743 The separate roads that you find, that 315 00:25:06,784 --> 00:25:08,462 kind of settlement infrastructure 316 00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:11,171 that you find in the West Bank, you know, in 317 00:25:11,224 --> 00:25:13,795 South Africa, we didn’t dream that we’d have 318 00:25:13,836 --> 00:25:15,710 roads that would be only for whites. 319 00:25:16,608 --> 00:25:19,392 In 2008 there were 800 kilometers of 320 00:25:19,433 --> 00:25:22,161 Jewish-only roads in the West Bank, 321 00:25:22,226 --> 00:25:24,432 or as the Israeli military prefers 322 00:25:24,476 --> 00:25:26,447 to call them, "Sterile roads". 323 00:25:26,882 --> 00:25:29,368 Settlers are issued yellow license plates 324 00:25:29,388 --> 00:25:31,978 so that the military can distinguish 325 00:25:31,978 --> 00:25:34,608 them from Palestinian drivers. 326 00:26:29,192 --> 00:26:31,396 The other part of this system is the 327 00:26:31,437 --> 00:26:34,104 Palestinian roads, which is linking the 328 00:26:34,145 --> 00:26:36,117 Palestinian villages and cities 329 00:26:36,158 --> 00:26:38,728 together, but with tunnels and bridges 330 00:26:38,769 --> 00:26:40,800 under the main network of roads that 331 00:26:40,841 --> 00:26:42,725 they are creating for themselves. 332 00:26:42,803 --> 00:26:47,695 And these bridges and tunnels have gates, 333 00:26:47,695 --> 00:26:49,614 and the gates have locks, and the keys 334 00:26:49,634 --> 00:26:51,324 are in the hands of the soldiers. 335 00:26:51,324 --> 00:26:54,349 So if they want to impose a curfew all over the West Bank, 336 00:26:54,349 --> 00:26:56,096 they can do it in two hours. 337 00:27:16,205 --> 00:27:19,878 The Jewish-only roads serving the settlement of Avne Hefez, 338 00:27:19,878 --> 00:27:22,904 are but one of the many examples of the segregated road 339 00:27:22,904 --> 00:27:26,739 system in the West Bank. Because of the settlement, 340 00:27:26,739 --> 00:27:29,171 Israel declared the roads between the 341 00:27:29,191 --> 00:27:31,966 Palestinian towns of Shufa and Izbat Shufa 342 00:27:31,966 --> 00:27:34,620 a sterile road for Jews only, erecting 343 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520 dirt roadblocks for Palestinians at every 344 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,120 exit of the town. 345 00:27:42,229 --> 00:27:46,058 Recently, Israel allowed Palestinian pedestrian 346 00:27:46,058 --> 00:27:48,539 but not vehicular traffic on the road. 347 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,867 Due to these conditions, one out of 348 00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:53,915 every four families has left Shufa. 349 00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:04,089 (quiet music and road noise) 350 00:29:27,071 --> 00:29:29,143 A deeply religious people, the white 351 00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:31,503 Afrikaners of South Africa believed they 352 00:29:31,544 --> 00:29:33,790 had a god-given right to a land that 353 00:29:33,831 --> 00:29:36,035 they considered mostly uninhabited. 354 00:29:36,163 --> 00:29:38,587 In what is known as the great trek, what 355 00:29:38,628 --> 00:29:41,667 Afrikaners consider their equivalent of the Exodus 356 00:29:41,834 --> 00:29:44,576 thousands trekked into the wilderness 357 00:29:44,596 --> 00:29:46,151 in search of the Promised Land. 358 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,073 The Afrikaners pushed into land the Africans 359 00:29:50,114 --> 00:29:52,788 considered theirs, and many battles ensued. 360 00:29:53,377 --> 00:29:56,350 Armed with guns and protected by a circle 361 00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:59,495 of covered wagons, known as a “laager”, 362 00:29:59,495 --> 00:30:01,700 the Afrikaners easily beat back the 363 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,254 indigenous masses that outnumbered them. 364 00:30:04,345 --> 00:30:06,729 This image of the heroic settlers in their 365 00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:08,950 “laager” fending off the savage masses 366 00:30:08,991 --> 00:30:13,677 became the dominant mythology in Afrikaner history, morphing into 367 00:30:13,718 --> 00:30:17,698 the philosophy of Apartheid in 1948. 368 00:30:18,209 --> 00:30:20,456 Under apartheid law, the one standard 369 00:30:20,497 --> 00:30:22,644 against which everything was judged 370 00:30:22,685 --> 00:30:25,486 was the security of the state, and the 371 00:30:25,523 --> 00:30:27,982 state meant the Afrikaner people. 372 00:30:28,235 --> 00:30:30,466 With every law enacted, the freedoms 373 00:30:30,486 --> 00:30:32,510 of the majority were whittled away 374 00:30:32,551 --> 00:30:36,549 in order to protect the privileges of a white minority. 375 00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:42,417 In Pretoria today stands a monument to the Great 376 00:30:42,458 --> 00:30:46,551 Trek, a shrine to this history and philosophy. 377 00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:51,677 A concrete "laager"; that iconic image of 378 00:30:51,697 --> 00:30:54,607 the Afrikaners’ military defense tactic, 379 00:30:54,607 --> 00:30:57,151 completely surrounds the monument. 380 00:30:58,377 --> 00:31:01,862 A physical representation of a state of mind 381 00:31:01,862 --> 00:31:05,131 that sees enemies everywhere and will 382 00:31:05,151 --> 00:31:07,979 do anything to protect against them. 383 00:31:19,864 --> 00:31:23,843 What I experienced there was made even 384 00:31:23,863 --> 00:31:28,169 more painful by the existence of the wall 385 00:31:28,169 --> 00:31:31,357 of separation, what we from South Africa 386 00:31:31,377 --> 00:31:33,803 prefer to call the Apartheid wall. 387 00:31:33,844 --> 00:31:38,067 We didn’t have that type of division in South Africa. 388 00:31:39,179 --> 00:31:42,543 In 2002, under the guise of a temporary 389 00:31:42,584 --> 00:31:46,184 security measure, Israel began construction 390 00:31:46,184 --> 00:31:48,795 of the separation barrier to completely 391 00:31:48,836 --> 00:31:51,477 seal off the West Bank from Israel. 392 00:31:52,464 --> 00:31:56,589 In urban areas it is a concrete wall eight meters tall. 393 00:31:57,226 --> 00:32:00,271 In rural areas it is a “smart” fence 394 00:32:00,472 --> 00:32:03,702 averaging 60 meters wide, with motion, 395 00:32:03,702 --> 00:32:07,076 heat and vibration sensors, cameras, 396 00:32:07,456 --> 00:32:12,486 trenches, patrol roads, and razor wire. 397 00:32:15,318 --> 00:32:18,623 To many however, the wall is not about security. 398 00:32:23,709 --> 00:32:25,449 Its snake-like route through the 399 00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:28,266 West Bank annexes large Jewish-only 400 00:32:28,286 --> 00:32:31,004 settlements, agricultural land and 401 00:32:31,004 --> 00:32:34,248 important water resources, clearly marking 402 00:32:34,268 --> 00:32:37,076 it as a tool for massive land grabs. 403 00:32:37,547 --> 00:32:41,238 Only 15% of the wall follows the green line. 404 00:32:41,258 --> 00:32:44,557 Instead, the wall twists and turns deep 405 00:32:44,557 --> 00:32:47,266 into the West Bank, making it more than 406 00:32:47,286 --> 00:32:50,014 twice as long as the green line itself. 407 00:32:53,101 --> 00:32:55,613 It separates Palestinian villages from 408 00:32:55,633 --> 00:32:57,841 neighboring Palestinian villages, 409 00:32:57,841 --> 00:33:01,766 farmers from their land and income, parents from children, 410 00:33:01,766 --> 00:33:05,656 and severely restricts Palestinian freedom of movement. 411 00:33:05,656 --> 00:33:08,520 It encircles many towns from all sides 412 00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:11,276 creating isolated ghettos surrounded 413 00:33:11,276 --> 00:33:16,295 by walls, checkpoints and Israeli-only roads. 414 00:33:19,806 --> 00:33:22,853 When you put people behind the wall, in 415 00:33:22,873 --> 00:33:25,710 all of these ghettos, because almost 416 00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:30,778 everywhere it is creating ghetto communities with one road or one 417 00:33:30,778 --> 00:33:34,164 checkpoint or one tunnel with a gate on it. 418 00:33:34,164 --> 00:33:36,514 Then at a certain point there is going 419 00:33:36,534 --> 00:33:38,722 to be, when there's not enough work 420 00:33:38,722 --> 00:33:42,451 and not enough food, more and more pressure built up. 421 00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:46,091 Obviously a lot of people will leave, and 422 00:33:46,132 --> 00:33:48,333 I think that’s part of the intention. 423 00:33:51,725 --> 00:33:54,405 (music) 424 00:34:03,451 --> 00:34:05,382 Now in the South African context, the 425 00:34:05,402 --> 00:34:07,251 attempt by the Apartheid government 426 00:34:07,251 --> 00:34:10,489 was to take away citizenship from more 427 00:34:10,509 --> 00:34:14,018 than 80% of the South African population, 428 00:34:14,018 --> 00:34:16,563 and then give them new citizenship 429 00:34:16,583 --> 00:34:19,075 in some kind of a fantasy entity: 430 00:34:19,075 --> 00:34:20,972 Bophuthatswana, Transkei, etc. So 431 00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:22,966 the South African state could say, 432 00:34:22,966 --> 00:34:27,257 “You have no claims here. You’re a citizen of Bophuthatswana. 433 00:34:27,257 --> 00:34:29,011 Social benefits, etcetera, are what 434 00:34:29,031 --> 00:34:30,706 you should be looking for there.” 435 00:34:30,803 --> 00:34:33,951 The godfather of the system was Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd. 436 00:34:33,951 --> 00:34:36,602 - "In South Africa you can only achieve 437 00:34:36,622 --> 00:34:38,892 peace by separating the nations." 438 00:34:39,258 --> 00:34:41,907 And he spelled out the whole Bantustan concept. 439 00:34:41,907 --> 00:34:43,560 He said: “The black people have got 440 00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:45,161 to be given their own countries.” 441 00:34:46,968 --> 00:34:49,337 They embarked upon this remarkable 442 00:34:49,357 --> 00:34:52,293 experiment of trying to cut up the country 443 00:34:52,293 --> 00:34:55,621 into Bantustans, and these were created, 444 00:34:55,641 --> 00:34:58,908 at least on paper, ten of them, and the 445 00:34:58,908 --> 00:35:03,375 move began to advance them towards independence. 446 00:35:05,117 --> 00:35:07,055 (trumpet) 447 00:35:08,574 --> 00:35:12,010 My government would like to continue as we 448 00:35:12,030 --> 00:35:15,567 are, an autonomous and independent country, 449 00:35:15,567 --> 00:35:18,262 preferably with extended borders, 450 00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:20,757 continued friendly and cordial 451 00:35:20,757 --> 00:35:23,560 relations with our neighbors and, if 452 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:26,402 possible, international recognition. 453 00:35:26,402 --> 00:35:29,153 Most of them were stooges and really 454 00:35:29,173 --> 00:35:31,570 puppets of the Apartheid state. 455 00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:34,838 To give some veneer of reality to the fantasy 456 00:35:34,858 --> 00:35:38,004 of the Bantustans, the Afrikaner government 457 00:35:38,004 --> 00:35:40,742 threw money at them, built elaborate 458 00:35:40,762 --> 00:35:43,446 parliaments, housing for ministers, 459 00:35:43,446 --> 00:35:46,518 built airports, sports stadiums. 460 00:35:46,538 --> 00:35:50,016 It was to create separate states. 461 00:35:50,016 --> 00:35:52,317 It was not so much a two-state 462 00:35:52,337 --> 00:35:55,200 solution as a multi-state solution. 463 00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:58,709 When I look at Israel, when I traveled through the West Bank, 464 00:35:58,850 --> 00:36:01,925 I was looking at Bantustans, totally 465 00:36:01,966 --> 00:36:04,391 unviable, impossible states. 466 00:36:04,928 --> 00:36:07,268 In many respects, it struck me as being 467 00:36:07,288 --> 00:36:09,772 significantly worse than Apartheid. 468 00:36:09,772 --> 00:36:12,644 Bantustans, as much as we abhorred them in 469 00:36:12,664 --> 00:36:15,421 South Africa, Bantustan leaders actually 470 00:36:15,421 --> 00:36:17,267 had more power and more control 471 00:36:17,287 --> 00:36:19,515 than the Palestinian Authority has. 472 00:36:19,515 --> 00:36:22,272 What the Oslo did was create an 473 00:36:22,292 --> 00:36:26,054 authority,which allowed Israel to still 474 00:36:26,054 --> 00:36:29,415 control the occupied Palestinian territory, but 475 00:36:29,435 --> 00:36:32,534 control it through a Palestinian authority. 476 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,806 Ostensibly, there’s some kind of Palestinian 477 00:36:36,826 --> 00:36:40,288 authority that’s controlling, that’s in power 478 00:36:40,288 --> 00:36:42,123 of the occupied territory. But in 479 00:36:42,143 --> 00:36:44,052 fact, Israel controls the borders. 480 00:36:44,052 --> 00:36:48,056 Israel controls taxes. Israel controls all kinds 481 00:36:48,076 --> 00:36:51,608 of things, access in and out of that area. 482 00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:59,246 To me, the big analogy was that South 483 00:36:59,266 --> 00:37:02,066 Africa, in taking these two choices 484 00:37:02,066 --> 00:37:04,361 where you’ve got two or more nationalisms 485 00:37:04,381 --> 00:37:06,255 laying claim to the same country, 486 00:37:06,255 --> 00:37:08,943 you’ve either got to find a way to live together, 487 00:37:08,963 --> 00:37:11,130 or you’ve got to have a fair partition. 488 00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:13,588 The big similarity between Apartheid 489 00:37:13,608 --> 00:37:16,354 South Africa and the Israeli/Palestinian 490 00:37:16,354 --> 00:37:19,989 situation is that both decided to have a 491 00:37:20,009 --> 00:37:23,663 partition solution, and, in both cases, 492 00:37:23,663 --> 00:37:26,705 it was a grotesquely unfair partition. 493 00:37:26,855 --> 00:37:30,522 And this is why Israel says, “Well, Gaza is not our problem, 494 00:37:30,563 --> 00:37:33,155 Gaza is a foreign country. It’s not a state. 495 00:37:33,325 --> 00:37:37,179 It’s not part of any other country. It’s just not us.” 496 00:37:37,179 --> 00:37:39,030 Just like South Africa, it’s the same 497 00:37:39,071 --> 00:37:41,264 logic. We need a Palestinian state, 498 00:37:41,305 --> 00:37:43,334 because we can’t digest the Palestinians. 499 00:37:43,375 --> 00:37:44,917 We can’t give them citizenship, 500 00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,342 because then it wouldn’t be a Jewish state. 501 00:37:47,648 --> 00:37:49,966 We have to create a Palestinian state, 502 00:37:49,966 --> 00:37:51,976 because that’s the only way we can 503 00:37:51,996 --> 00:37:54,026 get them off our hands, but it has 504 00:37:54,026 --> 00:37:56,473 to be a minimized state on as little 505 00:37:56,493 --> 00:37:58,960 territory as possible that leaves us 506 00:37:59,001 --> 00:38:01,171 in control of the entire country. 507 00:38:02,277 --> 00:38:04,481 In South Africa, they left 13% of 508 00:38:04,522 --> 00:38:06,680 South Africa for the non-whites. 509 00:38:06,925 --> 00:38:09,935 In cantons, locking them inside cantons. 510 00:38:09,935 --> 00:38:11,947 Here, when you look at the map, what 511 00:38:11,967 --> 00:38:13,944 they have created is leaving to the 512 00:38:13,944 --> 00:38:16,781 Palestinians about 12% of our historical land. 513 00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:19,157 This is the ghetto state, ghetto system 514 00:38:19,201 --> 00:38:21,341 that they are creating, and it's totally 515 00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,429 disconnected from each other. We have 516 00:38:23,494 --> 00:38:25,725 one, two, three, and the fourth is Gaza. 517 00:38:27,016 --> 00:38:31,289 (explosions and drums) 518 00:38:32,156 --> 00:38:34,015 (siren) 519 00:38:46,266 --> 00:38:48,477 (drums and ambient sounds) 520 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,673 Since 2006, Israel has imposed a deadly 521 00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:11,694 siege on the Gaza Strip, prohibiting 522 00:40:11,735 --> 00:40:15,473 most goods and people from entering or leaving the enclave. 523 00:40:16,248 --> 00:40:19,652 The siege has caused an economic standstill in 524 00:40:19,693 --> 00:40:23,336 Gaza. The unemployment rate hovers around 40%. 525 00:40:24,455 --> 00:40:27,358 On the more ridiculous end of spectrum of goods not 526 00:40:27,399 --> 00:40:31,360 allowed into Gaza are things like pasta and chocolate. 527 00:40:32,194 --> 00:40:34,914 Recently obtained Israeli government documents 528 00:40:34,955 --> 00:40:37,209 show this to be a deliberate policy. 529 00:40:37,717 --> 00:40:40,578 Mathematic formulas were created which defined 530 00:40:40,619 --> 00:40:43,377 the minimum caloric needs of the 1.5 million 531 00:40:43,418 --> 00:40:46,849 people in Gaza. As well as the upper limit, so 532 00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:49,937 that food items cannot become too plentiful. 533 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,732 In 2009 Israel bombed Gaza’s sewage 534 00:40:55,773 --> 00:40:58,720 treatment facilities and electricity plants 535 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,882 and now won’t allow the necessary 536 00:41:00,923 --> 00:41:02,883 parts in to repair them. 537 00:41:03,326 --> 00:41:06,100 Restrictions on fuel imports further limit the 538 00:41:06,141 --> 00:41:09,101 ability of critical infrastructure to function. 539 00:41:09,142 --> 00:41:12,606 while also causing daily, prolonged blackouts. 540 00:41:13,417 --> 00:41:16,617 Blackouts can be deadly for patients in hospitals. 541 00:41:16,658 --> 00:41:19,125 But more so is the lack of medicine, 542 00:41:19,166 --> 00:41:21,736 specialized care, and clean water. 543 00:41:49,578 --> 00:41:52,503 In the worst times of Apartheid in 544 00:41:52,523 --> 00:41:55,636 South Africa, we never had in any of 545 00:41:55,636 --> 00:41:58,608 our townships helicopter gunships 546 00:41:58,628 --> 00:42:01,884 flying overhead or F-16 type bombers 547 00:42:01,884 --> 00:42:03,888 flying over townships and firing 548 00:42:03,908 --> 00:42:06,184 or dropping bombs into a township. 549 00:42:06,184 --> 00:42:07,001 It didn’t happen. 550 00:42:10,529 --> 00:42:14,015 The problem is we don’t have other examples to look at now. 551 00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:15,934 You could look at perhaps the Warsaw 552 00:42:15,975 --> 00:42:17,982 ghetto as one example of that kind of 553 00:42:17,982 --> 00:42:21,994 walled-in and then attacking a walled-in community like that. 554 00:42:21,994 --> 00:42:24,556 Maybe a better example is hundreds and 555 00:42:24,576 --> 00:42:26,959 hundreds of years ago where you had 556 00:42:26,959 --> 00:42:32,178 walled city-states that were completely besieged by armies 557 00:42:32,178 --> 00:42:34,787 where no one could get out and food was 558 00:42:34,807 --> 00:42:37,698 denied, and if there wasn’t a spring within 559 00:42:37,698 --> 00:42:40,508 the city, no one had water, and people died. 560 00:42:40,549 --> 00:42:42,408 Just like in Gaza, people died from 561 00:42:42,449 --> 00:42:44,271 insufficient access to medicine, 562 00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:46,211 to insufficient water, all those 563 00:42:46,252 --> 00:42:48,743 reasons, as well as by air strikes. 564 00:42:51,475 --> 00:42:55,123 There are a number of people and some governments who claim that 565 00:42:55,164 --> 00:42:57,468 because Israel withdrew its settlers 566 00:42:57,488 --> 00:42:59,560 and soldiers from the Gaza Strip 567 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,770 unilaterally in 2005, that it’s no longer 568 00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:04,020 the occupying power, but that is actually 569 00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:06,023 not the case. In international law, 570 00:43:06,064 --> 00:43:08,476 occupation refers to the control 571 00:43:08,517 --> 00:43:10,416 of territory by another government, 572 00:43:10,436 --> 00:43:12,408 not the indigenous government there. 573 00:43:12,408 --> 00:43:14,992 That’s precisely what exists with 574 00:43:15,012 --> 00:43:17,845 Israel and the Gaza Strip right now. 575 00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:19,920 Israel still controls the land of 576 00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:22,097 the Gaza Strip, which, many people 577 00:43:22,097 --> 00:43:24,325 don’t know, is completely surrounded by a 578 00:43:24,345 --> 00:43:26,592 wall very similar to the wall that snakes 579 00:43:26,592 --> 00:43:29,437 through the West Bank. It is completely surrounded. 580 00:43:29,478 --> 00:43:33,011 The Israeli Navy controls the seas off the coast of Gaza. 581 00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:35,375 (gunfire) 582 00:43:36,093 --> 00:43:38,232 The airspace is controlled by Israel, 583 00:43:38,232 --> 00:43:40,517 which has prohibited the Palestinians 584 00:43:40,537 --> 00:43:42,164 from reopening their airport. 585 00:43:42,205 --> 00:43:46,343 So Gaza is completely under the control of the Israelis. 586 00:43:48,784 --> 00:43:51,359 The Palestinian Authority can’t issue 587 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,882 identity documents, passports, permission 588 00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:57,397 for people to come and go, independent 589 00:43:57,438 --> 00:43:59,421 of the Israeli Interior Ministry. 590 00:43:59,552 --> 00:44:02,453 If you don’t exist in the Israeli Interior 591 00:44:02,494 --> 00:44:06,093 Ministry database, you don't exist period. 592 00:44:10,763 --> 00:44:13,242 If you look at a blueprint of a prison, 593 00:44:14,132 --> 00:44:16,820 it looks like the prisoners own the place. 594 00:44:16,867 --> 00:44:20,156 They have 95% of the territory, right? 595 00:44:20,197 --> 00:44:23,409 They have the living areas, they have the exercise yard, 596 00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:26,226 they have the cafeteria, they have the work 597 00:44:26,267 --> 00:44:29,276 areas. It all belongs to the prisoners. 598 00:44:29,317 --> 00:44:33,597 All the prison authorities have is maybe 5%. And you know what? 599 00:44:33,597 --> 00:44:35,993 If it’s a minimal security prison, maybe 600 00:44:36,013 --> 00:44:38,075 they have 1%. That’s all you need. 601 00:44:38,075 --> 00:44:41,334 You need the walls around, cell bars, 602 00:44:41,375 --> 00:44:43,486 you have some corridors, you have 603 00:44:43,486 --> 00:44:47,848 a few locked doors, and that’s it. With 1% of the territory, 604 00:44:47,848 --> 00:44:50,492 you can absolutely control the inmates, 605 00:44:50,533 --> 00:44:53,217 and that helps you make the switch. 606 00:44:53,258 --> 00:44:56,718 The issue here isn’t how much territory the prisoners have. 607 00:44:56,818 --> 00:44:59,720 The issue is, can they get out of the prison? 608 00:45:16,734 --> 00:45:20,076 When the majority of world leaders 609 00:45:20,117 --> 00:45:21,934 and people who have the power 610 00:45:21,975 --> 00:45:25,888 to change things talk about a two-state solution, nowadays 611 00:45:25,888 --> 00:45:28,360 what they talk about is a Palestinian 612 00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:30,545 state that is made of Bantustans 613 00:45:30,545 --> 00:45:33,156 separated from each other, a state that has 614 00:45:33,176 --> 00:45:35,628 no sovereignty, no independent policies, 615 00:45:35,628 --> 00:45:39,107 and has a very much similar economic 616 00:45:39,148 --> 00:45:41,074 infrastructure to the ones that the 617 00:45:41,074 --> 00:45:43,121 Bantustans had in South Africa. 618 00:45:43,121 --> 00:45:45,230 The main thing for the world and for 619 00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:47,437 the Israelis is to get this issue off 620 00:45:47,437 --> 00:45:49,467 the plate, and that’s where Israel 621 00:45:49,487 --> 00:45:51,245 thinks it can get away with a 622 00:45:51,245 --> 00:45:53,405 Bantustan in the way that South Africa 623 00:45:53,425 --> 00:45:55,325 couldn’t. You know, you can push a 624 00:45:55,325 --> 00:45:58,093 two-state solution that's Apartheid. 625 00:45:58,268 --> 00:46:00,179 If it doesn’t have borders, it doesn’t 626 00:46:00,220 --> 00:46:02,268 have water, doesn’t have access to its 627 00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:05,062 greater economic resource, which is Jerusalem. 628 00:46:05,104 --> 00:46:08,230 It’s carved into little islands. There’s no freedom of movement 629 00:46:08,271 --> 00:46:12,023 there's no freedom of commerce. It’s a prison state. 630 00:46:12,578 --> 00:46:16,620 Therefore, the essential idea of a two-state solution 631 00:46:16,661 --> 00:46:21,193 has to be not only the state itself, but a viable state. 632 00:46:21,401 --> 00:46:23,929 The Israelis have rendered the West Bank 633 00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:27,164 and Gaza unviable, hopelessly unviable. 634 00:46:27,322 --> 00:46:32,012 I’m saying Israel no longer has that solution as an option. 635 00:46:32,176 --> 00:46:35,665 It has made a two-state solution impossible. 636 00:46:35,685 --> 00:46:38,180 Physically, morally impossible. 637 00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:43,392 - It is time for us to go ahead and move forward 638 00:46:43,412 --> 00:46:47,429 on a two-state solution, so thank you very much. 639 00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:49,945 You hear all this talk about the two-state 640 00:46:49,986 --> 00:46:53,432 solution. You see opinion polls that say a 641 00:46:53,473 --> 00:46:56,290 majority of Israelis are willing to accept it, 642 00:46:56,310 --> 00:46:59,086 and a majority of Palestinians are willing to 643 00:46:59,086 --> 00:47:02,486 accept it, but that consensus disappears the 644 00:47:02,506 --> 00:47:06,125 moment you try to actually flesh it out in detail. 645 00:47:06,295 --> 00:47:08,887 That’s why all the two-state solution 646 00:47:08,928 --> 00:47:10,875 proposals are extremely vague, 647 00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:14,062 because Palestinians say, “The West Bank and 648 00:47:14,103 --> 00:47:17,320 Gaza are only a fifth of historic Palestine. 649 00:47:17,394 --> 00:47:20,150 Why should we give up anymore?” Israelis 650 00:47:20,191 --> 00:47:22,697 say, “Well, there’s 450,000 settlers 651 00:47:22,738 --> 00:47:25,328 in those areas, several generations. 652 00:47:25,369 --> 00:47:26,882 Why should they leave?” 653 00:47:28,109 --> 00:47:33,312 The only thing more difficult than trying to live together, 654 00:47:33,353 --> 00:47:35,921 would be trying to force a separation. 655 00:47:59,938 --> 00:48:02,266 (music) 656 00:48:11,037 --> 00:48:15,234 Israel’s overall goal has been to create 657 00:48:15,275 --> 00:48:20,328 a Jewish state. In 1948, 75% of the 658 00:48:20,369 --> 00:48:23,310 population, the non-Jewish population, 659 00:48:23,351 --> 00:48:25,801 Christians and Muslims, were expelled 660 00:48:25,801 --> 00:48:27,966 from their homeland and never allowed to return. 661 00:48:27,966 --> 00:48:29,508 For one reason, and only one reason, 662 00:48:29,528 --> 00:48:30,963 which is that they’re not Jewish. 663 00:48:34,756 --> 00:48:39,576 The 5 to 6 million refugees living in Lebanon 664 00:48:39,617 --> 00:48:43,335 and Syria and Jordan, etc. those are people 665 00:48:43,376 --> 00:48:46,638 that should be Israeli citizens, that Israel 666 00:48:46,658 --> 00:48:49,576 has kicked out and refused citizenship. 667 00:48:49,979 --> 00:48:52,320 Over a million Palestinians became 668 00:48:52,361 --> 00:48:56,199 refugees in the 1948 and 1967 wars. 669 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,787 By natural population growth, they 670 00:48:58,807 --> 00:49:01,078 now number over 5 million people 671 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,140 who still await their right to return. 672 00:49:04,481 --> 00:49:06,991 Some Palestinians managed to stay 673 00:49:07,011 --> 00:49:09,689 inside what became Israel in 1948, 674 00:49:09,730 --> 00:49:13,429 and today make up 20% of Israeli citizens. 675 00:49:16,992 --> 00:49:19,543 So in the Israeli state, what kind of rights 676 00:49:19,584 --> 00:49:21,978 and privileges and resources are allocated 677 00:49:21,978 --> 00:49:23,803 to you are entirely dependent on 678 00:49:23,823 --> 00:49:25,841 which ethnic group you come from. 679 00:49:25,841 --> 00:49:28,621 You’re either Jewish or you’re Palestinian, 680 00:49:28,641 --> 00:49:30,789 or Arab, as they prefer to call them. 681 00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:33,305 And so you have a situation where welfare 682 00:49:33,346 --> 00:49:35,252 benefits for people, for example, 683 00:49:35,252 --> 00:49:39,100 are dependent on whether they’re Jewish or not. 684 00:49:39,141 --> 00:49:42,242 You have a situation where a Jew can’t marry a 685 00:49:42,283 --> 00:49:46,700 non-Jew in Israel. For us South Africans, we 686 00:49:46,741 --> 00:49:48,663 remember the Mixed Marriages Act, for 687 00:49:48,683 --> 00:49:50,881 example. You have a situation where people 688 00:49:50,881 --> 00:49:54,340 from one ethnic group, Palestinians, are not 689 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,994 able to freely live in areas that are majority 690 00:49:57,994 --> 00:50:01,218 Jewish, similar to old Group Areas Act. 691 00:50:03,857 --> 00:50:05,846 Now one of the criticisms people make when 692 00:50:05,887 --> 00:50:07,663 you start accusing Israel of being an 693 00:50:07,704 --> 00:50:11,271 Apartheid state inside its own borders is that they’ll say, 694 00:50:11,312 --> 00:50:14,123 “Well, Palestinians can sit next to Jews 695 00:50:14,164 --> 00:50:16,237 inside restaurants. They sit on the same 696 00:50:16,237 --> 00:50:18,401 buses. They go to the same cinemas,” and that’s true, 697 00:50:18,401 --> 00:50:21,546 but that’s not really the significance of Apartheid. 698 00:50:21,587 --> 00:50:23,276 The idea of Apartheid isn’t really about 699 00:50:23,317 --> 00:50:24,911 the fact that people can't sit on the same 700 00:50:24,911 --> 00:50:27,140 park bench. It was about controlling 701 00:50:27,181 --> 00:50:30,259 resources, making sure that one ethnic 702 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:32,520 group had control of resources and the other didn't. 703 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,096 And, in that sense, Israel has been 704 00:50:34,116 --> 00:50:35,712 very, very effective at doing this, 705 00:50:35,712 --> 00:50:37,182 what we might call grand Apartheid 706 00:50:37,202 --> 00:50:38,436 rather than petty Apartheid. 707 00:50:38,436 --> 00:50:40,881 In the key areas of people’s lives, their 708 00:50:40,901 --> 00:50:43,366 education, their employment, owning land, 709 00:50:43,851 --> 00:50:45,575 Palestinian citizens are treated entirely 710 00:50:45,595 --> 00:50:47,226 differently from Jewish citizens, 711 00:50:47,267 --> 00:50:49,825 and I think that’s one of the reasons why 712 00:50:49,866 --> 00:50:52,155 this Apartheid comparison can be made. 713 00:50:52,535 --> 00:50:55,125 By far, the most fundamental element of 714 00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:58,211 Apartheid with both South Africa and Israel 715 00:50:58,346 --> 00:51:01,846 is control of the land. In apartheid South 716 00:51:01,887 --> 00:51:04,819 Africa, a slew of laws were enacted 717 00:51:04,819 --> 00:51:09,250 that designated 87% of the land for whites only. 718 00:51:09,601 --> 00:51:12,511 This introduced the oxymoronic term 719 00:51:12,531 --> 00:51:15,573 "Foreign Natives" into the language 720 00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:18,382 of parliament to describe blacks given 721 00:51:18,423 --> 00:51:20,914 permission to live in white areas. 722 00:51:21,101 --> 00:51:23,560 Israel’s complex and creative web of 723 00:51:23,601 --> 00:51:25,879 apartheid laws introduced equally 724 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,803 oxymoronic terms such as "Present Absentee" 725 00:51:29,844 --> 00:51:32,242 into its parliamentary language. 726 00:51:32,283 --> 00:51:34,760 This was used to describe Palestinians 727 00:51:34,801 --> 00:51:37,362 who are actually present inside Israel, 728 00:51:37,403 --> 00:51:41,752 but legally declared absent in order to confiscate their land. 729 00:51:42,379 --> 00:51:44,961 Through these colonial and apartheid style 730 00:51:45,002 --> 00:51:48,104 laws, over 90% of the land of Israel 731 00:51:48,145 --> 00:51:51,062 is effectively reserved for Jews only. 732 00:51:53,149 --> 00:51:55,941 Aside from the few mixed cities like Haifa 733 00:51:55,982 --> 00:51:58,794 and Akko, most of Israel’s communities are 734 00:51:58,835 --> 00:52:02,125 segregated along ethnic lines. Israel’s 735 00:52:02,166 --> 00:52:05,203 1.3 million Palestinian citizens are 736 00:52:05,244 --> 00:52:08,828 restricted to 120 communities that existed 737 00:52:08,869 --> 00:52:12,023 before the creation of Israel in 1948, 738 00:52:12,064 --> 00:52:15,164 and which have been unable to expand since. 739 00:52:15,423 --> 00:52:17,785 By contrast, Israel has created and 740 00:52:17,826 --> 00:52:20,427 developed more than 700 exclusively 741 00:52:20,468 --> 00:52:23,659 Jewish towns since 1948, but not one 742 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,617 new town for Palestinian citizens. 743 00:52:26,773 --> 00:52:29,538 Land laws in Israel are very clearly 744 00:52:29,558 --> 00:52:32,554 Apartheid kind of laws. You can belong 745 00:52:32,554 --> 00:52:34,312 in the state of Israel, you can be a 746 00:52:34,332 --> 00:52:36,159 Palestinian, or you can be a Jew, but 747 00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:38,119 if you want to have rights in the state, 748 00:52:38,139 --> 00:52:40,351 really you need to be a Jew to have rights. 749 00:52:42,163 --> 00:52:43,904 I have no doubt it’s a Jewish state, but 750 00:52:43,945 --> 00:52:45,781 I do question very strongly whether 751 00:52:45,822 --> 00:52:48,117 it’s a democratic state. If we talked 752 00:52:48,158 --> 00:52:51,109 about an Afrikaner and democratic state, 753 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:52,867 I think most of us would find that 754 00:52:52,908 --> 00:52:54,917 rather an oxymoronic phrase to use. 755 00:52:54,958 --> 00:52:58,765 So why is Jewish and democratic not equally troubling to us? 756 00:52:58,806 --> 00:53:00,679 There are more than a million Palestinians 757 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,480 inside Israel today, and that's a major 758 00:53:02,521 --> 00:53:04,308 concern for Israel. It’s very concerned about 759 00:53:04,349 --> 00:53:05,960 the demographic growth, as it calls it, 760 00:53:06,001 --> 00:53:09,218 the demographic time bomb, of the Palestinians inside Israel. 761 00:53:09,259 --> 00:53:12,066 I came to realize that when they talk 762 00:53:12,107 --> 00:53:14,562 about the elimination of Israel, 763 00:53:15,242 --> 00:53:17,497 it’s a demographic thing. 764 00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:20,656 That Israel will cease to exist when 765 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:23,195 it no longer has a Jewish majority. 766 00:53:23,664 --> 00:53:27,094 In other words, your nationhood depends 767 00:53:27,114 --> 00:53:30,443 upon your having either an ethnic or 768 00:53:30,443 --> 00:53:33,187 a specifically religious majority, 769 00:53:33,447 --> 00:53:35,296 permanently entrenched. 770 00:53:35,507 --> 00:53:37,748 Because of the experience I’ve gone 771 00:53:37,768 --> 00:53:40,091 through in this country, where I saw 772 00:53:40,091 --> 00:53:43,804 terrible injustice committed in the name 773 00:53:44,234 --> 00:53:47,482 of the Afrikaners’ need to survive, 774 00:53:47,523 --> 00:53:51,539 I became ashamed of my country, grievously ashamed of it. 775 00:53:52,242 --> 00:53:55,262 The reason Israel has a Jewish majority 776 00:53:55,282 --> 00:53:58,476 is through entirely artificial means. 777 00:53:58,718 --> 00:54:04,091 The whole framework of Israeli law is designed to 778 00:54:04,132 --> 00:54:07,670 prevent the growth of the non-Jewish population 779 00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:11,677 and maintain Jewish numerical and political 780 00:54:11,718 --> 00:54:14,833 supremacy, and that’s the framework in which 781 00:54:14,833 --> 00:54:17,812 we can understand everything we see inside 782 00:54:17,853 --> 00:54:21,423 Israel, as well as in the West Bank and Gaza. 783 00:54:29,445 --> 00:54:31,953 (music) 784 00:54:42,998 --> 00:54:47,443 (rain and ambient sounds) 785 00:54:54,714 --> 00:54:57,056 (chatting) 786 00:55:07,765 --> 00:55:10,921 (shouting) 787 00:55:25,029 --> 00:55:28,998 In Occupied East Jerusalem, the battle for control 788 00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:33,184 of territory is happening on a house-by-house basis. 789 00:55:36,992 --> 00:55:41,351 (shouting and arguing) 790 00:56:03,372 --> 00:56:05,489 (shouting) 791 00:56:11,792 --> 00:56:14,081 Israel goes to incredible lengths 792 00:56:14,122 --> 00:56:16,216 to manipulate demography, 793 00:56:16,257 --> 00:56:19,250 as can be seen in the stark but complicated 794 00:56:19,291 --> 00:56:21,765 case of the city of Jerusalem. 795 00:56:23,533 --> 00:56:25,785 East Jerusalem differs from the rest of 796 00:56:25,826 --> 00:56:28,688 occupied Palestinian territory in that Israel 797 00:56:28,729 --> 00:56:31,305 unilaterally declared it a part of the state of 798 00:56:31,346 --> 00:56:35,055 Israel after the 1967 occupation of the city. 799 00:56:35,602 --> 00:56:37,834 No country in the world has ever recognized 800 00:56:37,875 --> 00:56:40,259 that annexation, and it is still considered 801 00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:42,828 occupied territory by the Palestinians 802 00:56:42,869 --> 00:56:44,871 and by international law. 803 00:56:45,824 --> 00:56:47,527 But by building the wall and the 804 00:56:47,568 --> 00:56:49,578 vast settlement blocks around it, 805 00:56:49,691 --> 00:56:51,945 Israel has illegally severed it from the 806 00:56:51,986 --> 00:56:56,755 West Bank. Over 250,000 Palestinians 807 00:56:56,796 --> 00:57:00,483 now find themselves on the Israel side of the wall. 808 00:57:00,968 --> 00:57:03,369 Palestinians of East Jerusalem are not 809 00:57:03,389 --> 00:57:05,685 citizens of the country, cannot vote 810 00:57:05,685 --> 00:57:09,984 in national elections and cannot live in Jewish West Jerusalem. 811 00:57:11,261 --> 00:57:14,200 A Palestinian can have lived in Jerusalem 812 00:57:14,241 --> 00:57:17,200 all his life, been born here, his father, 813 00:57:17,241 --> 00:57:18,992 grandfather, and generations 814 00:57:19,033 --> 00:57:21,613 before, but he will be a resident. 815 00:57:22,859 --> 00:57:27,943 A Jew from Russia can come today to Israel, 816 00:57:27,984 --> 00:57:31,094 not even knowing one word of Hebrew, 817 00:57:31,445 --> 00:57:35,018 and in the same day, he becomes a citizen. 818 00:57:35,081 --> 00:57:38,171 There are many, many conditions to 819 00:57:38,212 --> 00:57:41,323 be a resident. If you, for example, 820 00:57:41,323 --> 00:57:44,223 live in Jerusalem but you work in Ramallah, 821 00:57:44,243 --> 00:57:46,831 Bethlehem or elsewhere in the occupied 822 00:57:46,831 --> 00:57:49,219 terriroties they say the center of your 823 00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:52,398 life is there, and we can take your ID. 824 00:57:54,407 --> 00:57:59,500 This is one of the strategies to make 825 00:57:59,541 --> 00:58:02,484 the number of Palestinians smaller. 826 00:58:05,154 --> 00:58:09,163 This is an official booklet, from the municipality 827 00:58:09,204 --> 00:58:12,320 of Jerusalem, from the Department of Planning. 828 00:58:12,969 --> 00:58:16,508 I mean, from the first point here, They 829 00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:21,037 say: "Is to keep the ratio between 830 00:58:21,078 --> 00:58:26,359 Jews and Palestinians as it was in 1967 at..." Look 831 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,234 at this: "70 to 30" As the government decided. 832 00:58:32,324 --> 00:58:35,417 You must understand, if in any democratic 833 00:58:35,458 --> 00:58:38,422 country in the world, someone says that 834 00:58:38,463 --> 00:58:42,711 the Jews will be no more than 40 percent of the population, 835 00:58:42,833 --> 00:58:46,420 we would say that this is anti-Semitism. 836 00:58:46,461 --> 00:58:48,922 It's clear that it would be anti-Semitism. 837 00:58:49,036 --> 00:58:52,232 So why is it anti-Semitism in Europe 838 00:58:52,273 --> 00:58:54,590 or America if someone does this, 839 00:58:54,590 --> 00:58:57,336 and in Israel, it's permitted. Why? 840 00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,587 The politicians are hysterical over 841 00:59:00,628 --> 00:59:03,534 this issue, and they try to implement 842 00:59:03,575 --> 00:59:06,722 a policy of segregation, in order to make 843 00:59:06,742 --> 00:59:09,607 the lives of the Palestinians so bad, 844 00:59:09,607 --> 00:59:16,688 that they will decide to voluntarily leave the city. 845 00:59:18,993 --> 00:59:21,141 (music) 846 00:59:25,394 --> 00:59:27,234 One of the harshest methods used to 847 00:59:27,275 --> 00:59:29,676 force Palestinians to leave Jerusalem 848 00:59:29,717 --> 00:59:32,563 is Israel’s house demolition policy. 849 00:59:36,102 --> 00:59:38,235 (machinery and crumbling rubble) 850 00:59:39,059 --> 00:59:41,490 This policy affects all Palestinians 851 00:59:41,531 --> 00:59:44,115 living within Israel’s stated borders, 852 00:59:44,156 --> 00:59:46,078 and even within the rest of the West 853 00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,758 Bank, but it is starkest in Jerusalem. 854 00:59:53,157 --> 00:59:55,993 (machinery) 855 00:59:57,902 --> 01:00:00,758 House demolitions are part of a system 856 01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:03,399 of discrimination that does not enable 857 01:00:03,399 --> 01:00:05,493 Palestinians to actually build legally. 858 01:00:05,513 --> 01:00:07,469 It’s fair to say that it’s virtually 859 01:00:07,469 --> 01:00:10,648 impossible to receive a building permit, 860 01:00:10,668 --> 01:00:13,164 a legal permit to build a house 861 01:00:13,164 --> 01:00:15,959 in East Jerusalem if you’re a Palestinian. 862 01:01:23,686 --> 01:01:24,952 (sniffing) 863 01:01:34,492 --> 01:01:41,645 Wednesday, July 22nd 1962, The 864 01:01:41,686 --> 01:01:44,745 Afrikaners are breaking down our house. 865 01:01:44,745 --> 01:01:47,977 Two bulldozers, and of course the 866 01:01:47,997 --> 01:01:50,483 house crumbled. I felt the pain. 867 01:01:50,731 --> 01:01:53,225 It was my blood, my bones, our 868 01:01:53,266 --> 01:01:55,974 flesh that was being broken down. 869 01:01:56,182 --> 01:02:00,087 No book can describe, no poem can describe 870 01:02:00,107 --> 01:02:03,759 the horror, because our houses were not 871 01:02:03,759 --> 01:02:07,079 houses, they were human beings. 872 01:02:09,461 --> 01:02:15,012 I saw bone and blood and veins and brains. 873 01:02:21,496 --> 01:02:23,342 And, of course, when the demolition 874 01:02:23,383 --> 01:02:26,457 finally happens, I can't even begin to 875 01:02:26,498 --> 01:02:28,370 convey to you the trauma, you know, 876 01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:30,230 and the home is your sacred space; 877 01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:33,678 your whole intimate sphere is in the house. 878 01:02:33,852 --> 01:02:36,091 Men, women, and children react very 879 01:02:36,132 --> 01:02:38,995 differently. To the men it's humiliating; 880 01:02:39,036 --> 01:02:41,068 they can’t protect their families. 881 01:02:41,123 --> 01:02:43,173 It’s an entire financial loss. 882 01:02:43,748 --> 01:02:46,395 For women, most Palestinian women 883 01:02:46,436 --> 01:02:48,197 don’t work outside the house. 884 01:02:48,197 --> 01:02:53,217 Domestic space is their world, so when a woman loses that, 885 01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:55,600 I’ve seen women go into states of 886 01:02:55,641 --> 01:02:58,616 mourning. The trauma is tremendous. 887 01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:00,959 The demolition of a home is really 888 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,878 the demolition of the family. 889 01:03:06,556 --> 01:03:09,281 We estimate that in East Jerusalem 890 01:03:09,322 --> 01:03:11,361 there are at least 10,000 891 01:03:11,402 --> 01:03:14,285 demolition orders outstanding. Houses 892 01:03:14,326 --> 01:03:16,387 that can be demolished at any time. 893 01:03:17,334 --> 01:03:20,043 That doesn’t include thousands that 894 01:03:20,084 --> 01:03:22,084 have been demolished inside Israel. 895 01:03:22,678 --> 01:03:26,163 Inside Israel there’s still a campaign of demolition. 896 01:03:28,131 --> 01:03:32,410 There are about 40,000 homes of Israeli citizens 897 01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:35,770 who are Arabs that are slated for demolition 898 01:03:35,811 --> 01:03:38,110 in the next few years, and this is on the 899 01:03:38,110 --> 01:03:41,731 background of 1948 when more than 900 01:03:41,772 --> 01:03:43,904 half the villages of Palestine, 901 01:03:43,904 --> 01:03:47,490 more than 400 villages, were systematically destroyed. 902 01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:50,717 After the state was created, Israel 903 01:03:50,758 --> 01:03:52,977 continued to forcibly remove thousands 904 01:03:53,009 --> 01:03:55,397 of its Palestinian citizens off of their 905 01:03:55,438 --> 01:03:57,904 lands onto small concentrated areas. 906 01:03:58,149 --> 01:04:02,100 Their villages were bulldozed to make way for Jewish-only towns. 907 01:04:02,850 --> 01:04:05,572 This policy still continues inside Israel 908 01:04:05,592 --> 01:04:08,829 today, with over 45 Palestinian villages 909 01:04:08,829 --> 01:04:10,939 that the government refuses to recognize, 910 01:04:10,959 --> 01:04:12,784 and which are slated to be forcibly 911 01:04:12,784 --> 01:04:16,464 removed in order to construct new Jewish-only towns. 912 01:05:42,409 --> 01:05:45,425 The Apartheid authorities had what they 913 01:05:45,466 --> 01:05:48,350 called “black spots”. Incidents where 914 01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:52,190 black people were occupying land where the 915 01:05:52,231 --> 01:05:55,956 white people actually wanted to occupy. 916 01:05:56,435 --> 01:05:59,058 And what they, therefore, did was to 917 01:05:59,099 --> 01:06:02,226 send in the police, send in the military 918 01:06:02,384 --> 01:06:06,305 with heavy trucks to demolish people's 919 01:06:06,325 --> 01:06:10,164 homes, and then would remove families 920 01:06:10,164 --> 01:06:13,493 that have been staying on land for decades 921 01:06:13,513 --> 01:06:16,394 and remove them, and just dump them. 922 01:06:18,005 --> 01:06:20,441 It was nice in Sophiatown until the 923 01:06:20,482 --> 01:06:22,987 Afrikaners started harassing us. 924 01:06:24,143 --> 01:06:28,326 They said we are staying too near to town. We are blacks. 925 01:06:28,326 --> 01:06:30,933 We are not supposed to stay there, so 926 01:06:30,953 --> 01:06:33,650 they started moving us to Meadowlands. 927 01:06:35,443 --> 01:06:37,917 Because they said we couldn’t stay near the 928 01:06:37,937 --> 01:06:40,073 white people, so they must separate us; 929 01:06:40,114 --> 01:06:42,346 we mustn’t be together. So they take the 930 01:06:42,387 --> 01:06:44,529 place, and they give it to the whites. 931 01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:47,478 They gave us only one day’s notice. 932 01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:48,705 “Tomorrow you are moving.” 933 01:06:49,339 --> 01:06:51,947 The truck will wait outside, and then the 934 01:06:51,967 --> 01:06:55,005 soldiers will go into the house, and remove 935 01:06:55,005 --> 01:06:56,919 the furniture into the truck. 936 01:07:00,136 --> 01:07:02,534 (airplane noise and radio chatter) 937 01:07:11,321 --> 01:07:13,730 Then take the children and put you in 938 01:07:13,771 --> 01:07:16,199 the truck, and the mother and father. 939 01:07:17,301 --> 01:07:21,048 They just bulldoze it to the ground. 940 01:07:21,603 --> 01:07:24,948 They take the family out and the bulldozer comes. 941 01:07:26,574 --> 01:07:29,613 (shouting) 942 01:07:35,097 --> 01:07:38,941 (crushing noises) 943 01:07:53,236 --> 01:07:56,420 Land is more than just a possession. 944 01:07:56,672 --> 01:08:00,412 Land is something integrally bound with 945 01:08:00,453 --> 01:08:04,538 your identity. It’s about your ancestors. 946 01:08:04,579 --> 01:08:07,620 It’s about a sense of knowing who and 947 01:08:07,661 --> 01:08:10,883 where you are from, and in South Africa 948 01:08:10,924 --> 01:08:13,451 that’s where the biggest damage has been done. 949 01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:17,324 The removal of people off the land 950 01:08:17,365 --> 01:08:21,585 and they’re put in these god forsaken places with nothing, 951 01:08:21,626 --> 01:08:24,240 and they have to start all over again. 952 01:09:04,752 --> 01:09:09,640 You can shave off my hair. New hair will grow. 953 01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:16,843 You can spit in my face. I will find water to wash it. 954 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,849 You can take away my clothes and leave 955 01:09:19,890 --> 01:09:22,942 me naked. I will find a blanket. 956 01:09:23,503 --> 01:09:26,553 But if you take away my house, and 957 01:09:26,594 --> 01:09:30,443 my dignity, where can I go? Where? 958 01:09:32,241 --> 01:09:35,537 There is no pain quite like being 959 01:09:35,578 --> 01:09:41,560 unloved, unwanted in one's own land among 960 01:09:41,601 --> 01:09:45,556 one’s own kind. The Jewish people 961 01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:48,349 come from that experience. 962 01:09:48,733 --> 01:09:52,420 Jews will always have the right, and I would support that right 963 01:09:52,724 --> 01:09:55,504 for memory and perpetuation, but now 964 01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:57,506 I feel it for the Palestinians. 965 01:09:58,678 --> 01:10:01,162 I feel it for them, because they are 966 01:10:01,203 --> 01:10:04,940 stateless, homeless, vanquished, exiled. 967 01:10:06,993 --> 01:10:12,092 You take away my house; you take away my dignity. 968 01:10:12,387 --> 01:10:15,107 You take away my love, and you replace 969 01:10:15,148 --> 01:10:18,957 it with bitterness, anger, and revenge. 970 01:10:20,467 --> 01:10:23,084 (music) 971 01:10:26,326 --> 01:10:28,882 There have been at least 100,000 Palestinians, if not more, that 972 01:10:28,923 --> 01:10:30,746 have gone through house demolitions. 973 01:10:31,457 --> 01:10:33,669 There’s a psychologist in Gaza in the 974 01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:36,016 Palestinian mental health center 975 01:10:36,057 --> 01:10:40,209 who’s done research that says that 55% of the suicide bombers 976 01:10:40,646 --> 01:10:42,849 are kids whose houses have been demolished. 977 01:10:44,060 --> 01:10:46,318 The house demolition issue is one of the 978 01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:49,170 most painful parts of the occupation. 979 01:10:49,349 --> 01:10:52,616 If you deny Palestinians a home, and 980 01:10:52,636 --> 01:10:55,912 connected to that is a concept of homeland, 981 01:10:56,302 --> 01:10:58,629 on two levels you’re denying them a home, on 982 01:10:58,670 --> 01:11:00,890 the individual level and the collective level. 983 01:11:01,803 --> 01:11:04,138 The term we use in Hebrew for our 984 01:11:04,158 --> 01:11:07,006 form of Apartheid is "nishul". 985 01:11:07,387 --> 01:11:10,787 Nishul means displacement or dispossession. 986 01:11:11,053 --> 01:11:13,906 That’s the Israeli form of Apartheid. 987 01:11:16,350 --> 01:11:18,537 (music) 988 01:11:35,701 --> 01:11:38,506 (music) 989 01:11:41,467 --> 01:11:43,713 The escalation of Israeli measures in how 990 01:11:43,733 --> 01:11:46,358 they treated the Palestinians before the 991 01:11:46,358 --> 01:11:48,224 first Intifada, make it difficult for 992 01:11:48,244 --> 01:11:49,881 the people to accept oppression. 993 01:11:50,164 --> 01:11:54,649 In 1987, as the occupation rolled into its third decade, 994 01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:58,373 the first Intifada – or uprising – erupted. 995 01:11:58,606 --> 01:12:00,959 People protested, went on strike, 996 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,976 threw stones, organized themselves 997 01:12:03,017 --> 01:12:04,695 into groups, and challenged the 998 01:12:04,736 --> 01:12:06,926 Israeli occupation in different ways. 999 01:12:06,967 --> 01:12:09,528 Things came from the ground up in 1000 01:12:09,569 --> 01:12:11,701 the first Intifada where everyone, 1001 01:12:11,701 --> 01:12:16,136 no matter who you are, man or woman, young or old, 1002 01:12:16,136 --> 01:12:17,717 you are connected to certain 1003 01:12:17,737 --> 01:12:19,739 groups, working in this Intifada. 1004 01:12:19,891 --> 01:12:24,107 It was amazing how the people were organized. 1005 01:12:27,603 --> 01:12:30,381 The people took a stand. They had a slogan: 1006 01:12:30,422 --> 01:12:33,748 No taxation without representation. 1007 01:12:39,709 --> 01:12:41,864 The Israeli occupation closed down 1008 01:12:41,905 --> 01:12:43,832 all the education institutions 1009 01:12:43,952 --> 01:12:46,372 from the universities to the 1010 01:12:46,431 --> 01:12:49,763 kindergartens for two and a half years. 1011 01:12:52,795 --> 01:12:55,553 (kids shouting) 1012 01:13:04,741 --> 01:13:07,168 They were very strong in their reaction. 1013 01:13:08,918 --> 01:13:11,176 (crying) 1014 01:13:11,626 --> 01:13:13,542 The number of the people that were 1015 01:13:13,562 --> 01:13:15,332 killed, children, youth, women, 1016 01:13:18,192 --> 01:13:22,498 thousands of people were killed. This was the Israeli reaction. 1017 01:13:24,121 --> 01:13:25,961 If you visit any family in Palestine, 1018 01:13:26,002 --> 01:13:27,323 West Bank, and Gaza Strip, 1019 01:13:27,364 --> 01:13:29,692 you will find at least one person 1020 01:13:29,733 --> 01:13:34,317 that experienced jail. To go to jail, 1021 01:13:34,358 --> 01:13:38,581 I don’t want to say it’s normal, but just being 1022 01:13:38,601 --> 01:13:42,481 Palestinian is reason enough to be put in jail. 1023 01:13:43,006 --> 01:13:45,492 It’s part of daily life in Palestine. 1024 01:13:45,867 --> 01:13:51,942 Over 700,000 Palestinians have experienced jail since 1967. 1025 01:13:53,322 --> 01:13:56,121 Proportionately there are more political 1026 01:13:56,162 --> 01:14:00,160 prisoners there than existed in South Africa. 1027 01:14:00,794 --> 01:14:03,387 In South Africa we had a campaign 1028 01:14:03,428 --> 01:14:05,856 against child detainees. 1029 01:14:05,983 --> 01:14:10,098 In Palestine you have over 350 1030 01:14:10,153 --> 01:14:14,199 children who are political prisoners. 1031 01:14:14,408 --> 01:14:16,895 They would take very many of our 1032 01:14:16,936 --> 01:14:22,645 children away from parents and try 1033 01:14:22,686 --> 01:14:25,971 to use that to coerce parents to 1034 01:14:26,012 --> 01:14:29,562 appear at police stations to deport. 1035 01:14:31,113 --> 01:14:34,487 I remember in 1988 you see prisoners coming 1036 01:14:34,528 --> 01:14:36,711 in like crazy. In a few months we became 1037 01:14:36,711 --> 01:14:43,104 6,000 political prisoners in one jail. And 95% 1038 01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:46,189 of them were under administrative detention. 1039 01:14:46,782 --> 01:14:48,971 Administrative detention is the detention of 1040 01:14:48,991 --> 01:14:51,151 people, usually for six months, but you can 1041 01:14:51,151 --> 01:14:56,854 extend it, based on no legal procedure aside 1042 01:14:56,895 --> 01:14:59,215 from issuing an administrative order. 1043 01:14:59,256 --> 01:15:01,811 People are arrested without knowing what they are 1044 01:15:01,852 --> 01:15:04,426 in for. They've never been charged with anything. 1045 01:15:04,467 --> 01:15:06,809 The way it’s been done by Israel is absolutely 1046 01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:08,977 in contravention of international law. 1047 01:15:10,337 --> 01:15:12,872 I remember a famous Palestinian political 1048 01:15:12,913 --> 01:15:15,291 prisoner in the ‘70s. He spent around 1049 01:15:15,332 --> 01:15:17,131 seven years under administrative 1050 01:15:17,151 --> 01:15:19,863 detention. It’s really scary, because 1051 01:15:19,863 --> 01:15:21,329 you don’t know anything, and they 1052 01:15:21,349 --> 01:15:22,703 use it as part of the torture. 1053 01:15:22,703 --> 01:15:25,312 For example it’s the day after six months or 1054 01:15:25,332 --> 01:15:28,416 one year in jail, and this is your last day, 1055 01:15:28,457 --> 01:15:32,534 the day you are released. They come to the jail, 1056 01:15:32,575 --> 01:15:35,508 they call your name. you collect all your stuff. 1057 01:15:35,508 --> 01:15:37,372 You are released. You say bye-bye to 1058 01:15:37,392 --> 01:15:39,276 the prisoners, and you move outside, 1059 01:15:39,276 --> 01:15:41,561 and the officer comes, “Sorry, another 1060 01:15:41,581 --> 01:15:43,768 six months” and you go back to jail. 1061 01:15:44,282 --> 01:15:47,766 Administrative detention, very similar to the 1062 01:15:47,807 --> 01:15:50,931 detention without trial in South Africa. 1063 01:15:51,192 --> 01:15:52,651 When you are about to be released, 1064 01:15:52,692 --> 01:15:54,340 they will release you and let you walk 1065 01:15:54,381 --> 01:15:56,502 a few steps and re-arrest you. Which is, 1066 01:15:56,543 --> 01:15:58,382 by the way, is another form of torture, 1067 01:15:58,382 --> 01:16:01,051 because you never actually are sure as 1068 01:16:01,092 --> 01:16:04,895 to whether you will be totally released. 1069 01:16:06,113 --> 01:16:11,877 I was arrested in 1985, and there was nothing 1070 01:16:11,918 --> 01:16:14,934 illegal about what it was that I was doing, 1071 01:16:14,975 --> 01:16:18,043 and they knew that they could, therefore, not take me to court 1072 01:16:18,347 --> 01:16:21,620 and charge me with anything. They basically 1073 01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,484 detained us because they could do it. 1074 01:16:25,511 --> 01:16:27,861 Why did Mandela become the hero 1075 01:16:27,902 --> 01:16:30,168 of the political prisoners issue? 1076 01:16:30,168 --> 01:16:33,222 He spent 27 years in the Apartheid 1077 01:16:33,242 --> 01:16:36,842 system jail. Right now we have prisoners 1078 01:16:36,842 --> 01:16:38,614 that have spent more than 30 years 1079 01:16:38,655 --> 01:16:40,668 in jail, more than Mandela. 1080 01:16:42,245 --> 01:16:46,168 Why doesn’t the international community pay attention to that? 1081 01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:49,270 (gunshots) 1082 01:16:57,243 --> 01:17:00,254 Within one year of each other, both Israel and 1083 01:17:00,295 --> 01:17:03,365 South Africa launched “Operation Iron Fist”, 1084 01:17:03,406 --> 01:17:06,239 brutal and overwhelming campaigns to crush 1085 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,933 opposition to their respective polices. 1086 01:17:09,055 --> 01:17:11,405 With the “Iron Fist” policy, they used 1087 01:17:11,511 --> 01:17:14,533 to open the handcuffs and take people's 1088 01:17:14,574 --> 01:17:18,325 arms like this and break the bone in this way. 1089 01:17:23,001 --> 01:17:28,285 I still remember the sound of my friend when they broke his arm. 1090 01:17:28,385 --> 01:17:33,512 The sound is still in my ear. I will never ever forget that. 1091 01:17:43,138 --> 01:17:49,963 They went as far as killing very many of our comrades brutally, 1092 01:17:50,268 --> 01:17:53,700 acts that you can never imagine. 1093 01:17:58,717 --> 01:18:01,547 The South African Defense Forces, as they 1094 01:18:01,588 --> 01:18:05,082 were called, their army and navy was almost 1095 01:18:05,123 --> 01:18:08,267 totally outfitted by Israel, because South 1096 01:18:08,287 --> 01:18:11,157 Africa couldn't get weapons from other 1097 01:18:11,157 --> 01:18:13,922 countries. Israel was one of the only 1098 01:18:13,942 --> 01:18:17,059 countries willing to break the arms embargo. 1099 01:18:17,188 --> 01:18:20,145 Well, the alliance started in earnest 1100 01:18:20,186 --> 01:18:25,672 in 1973. By 1979, 35% of Israel's arms 1101 01:18:25,713 --> 01:18:27,934 exports were going to South Africa, so they 1102 01:18:27,975 --> 01:18:30,189 became a crucial client, and a crucial 1103 01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:33,349 source for export revenue that Israel couldn’t give up easily. 1104 01:18:33,390 --> 01:18:35,232 It involved everything from tanks to 1105 01:18:35,273 --> 01:18:37,059 aircraft to ammunition and you name it. 1106 01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,913 After 1977 there’s a mandatory U.N. 1107 01:18:39,954 --> 01:18:42,961 arms embargo. Israel violated the 1108 01:18:43,002 --> 01:18:46,828 U.N. arms embargo openly, and many Israeli 1109 01:18:46,848 --> 01:18:49,978 officials are happy to admit that. 1110 01:18:49,978 --> 01:18:51,378 If you talk to South African defense 1111 01:18:51,398 --> 01:18:52,856 officials, especially people from the 1112 01:18:52,856 --> 01:18:54,504 air force, they tell you that 1113 01:18:54,545 --> 01:18:56,884 Israel was an absolutely vital link 1114 01:18:56,925 --> 01:18:59,998 and was a lifeline for them during the 1980s. 1115 01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:06,973 After 1977, the ideological component becomes much stronger. 1116 01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:09,053 The top brass of the two militaries really 1117 01:19:09,094 --> 01:19:11,032 felt that they were in a similar predicament 1118 01:19:11,073 --> 01:19:14,965 and that they faced a common enemy. They also 1119 01:19:15,006 --> 01:19:18,882 had a very similar conception of minority 1120 01:19:18,923 --> 01:19:21,895 survival. They felt that Afrikaner 1121 01:19:21,936 --> 01:19:25,270 nationalists were similar to Israelis, 1122 01:19:25,311 --> 01:19:28,289 beleaguered minorities surrounded 1123 01:19:28,330 --> 01:19:30,358 by a hostile majority. 1124 01:19:31,848 --> 01:19:34,619 If you look at the documents from the South 1125 01:19:34,639 --> 01:19:38,585 African defense archive, you see dozens of 1126 01:19:38,585 --> 01:19:40,537 South Africans were going to Israel on a 1127 01:19:40,557 --> 01:19:42,721 regular basis to attend a variety of courses 1128 01:19:42,721 --> 01:19:45,943 that involved submarine operation, anti-tank 1129 01:19:45,963 --> 01:19:48,988 technology, counterinsurgency techniques, 1130 01:19:48,988 --> 01:19:51,473 you name it. They really see the PLO 1131 01:19:51,493 --> 01:19:53,660 and the ANC as one in the same. 1132 01:19:53,788 --> 01:19:58,821 The reaction of the government ordering a general mobilization, 1133 01:19:59,197 --> 01:20:01,561 arming the white community, arresting 1134 01:20:01,581 --> 01:20:03,526 tens of thousands of Africans, 1135 01:20:03,526 --> 01:20:06,382 a show of force throughout the country, 1136 01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:09,206 closed a chapter as far as our methods 1137 01:20:09,206 --> 01:20:11,067 of political struggle are concerned. 1138 01:20:12,111 --> 01:20:15,285 There are many people who feel that it 1139 01:20:15,305 --> 01:20:18,662 is useless and futile for us to continue 1140 01:20:18,662 --> 01:20:21,098 talking peace and nonviolence against 1141 01:20:21,139 --> 01:20:23,524 a government whose reply is only 1142 01:20:23,565 --> 01:20:28,450 savage attacks on an unarmed and defenseless people. 1143 01:20:28,984 --> 01:20:30,665 "Bombs have exploded almost daily 1144 01:20:30,706 --> 01:20:32,457 in the run-up to Wednesday’s poll, 1145 01:20:32,498 --> 01:20:34,364 the latest a huge car bomb, which 1146 01:20:34,405 --> 01:20:36,694 devastated shops in the central town 1147 01:20:36,735 --> 01:20:39,096 of Witbank. The blasts have been officially 1148 01:20:39,116 --> 01:20:41,389 blamed on the African National Congress". 1149 01:20:41,895 --> 01:20:44,301 After decades of non-violent struggle, 1150 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,959 Nelson Mandela formed the armed wing 1151 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,483 of the African National Congress. 1152 01:20:49,524 --> 01:20:52,175 They turned first to sabotage, then 1153 01:20:52,175 --> 01:20:54,668 to civilian bombings in order to have 1154 01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:57,512 their political aspirations recognized. 1155 01:20:57,848 --> 01:21:00,312 "If this was the work of the ANC, it’s their 1156 01:21:00,353 --> 01:21:02,837 boldest attack to date, and demonstrates the 1157 01:21:02,878 --> 01:21:06,215 organization’s determination to carry the guerilla 1158 01:21:06,256 --> 01:21:08,933 war to South Africa's major city centers." 1159 01:21:10,981 --> 01:21:13,614 (music) 1160 01:21:16,769 --> 01:21:18,669 "The explosion tore apart the bus 1161 01:21:18,689 --> 01:21:20,496 in the very heart of Jerusalem, 1162 01:21:20,496 --> 01:21:23,234 killing many of those on board. It was the 1163 01:21:23,254 --> 01:21:26,011 mirror image of last week’s suicide bomb." 1164 01:21:26,162 --> 01:21:30,004 I am pained when I read the story of a 1165 01:21:30,045 --> 01:21:35,020 65-year-old Palestinian woman who became 1166 01:21:35,061 --> 01:21:38,637 the carrier of a suicide bomb, and in a 1167 01:21:38,703 --> 01:21:42,569 note she indicated that she had to do that 1168 01:21:42,569 --> 01:21:45,948 because she was trying to save her 1169 01:21:45,989 --> 01:21:48,450 grandchildren from being killed, 1170 01:21:48,705 --> 01:21:53,596 and we’re saying what unfair choices to put before people. 1171 01:21:56,614 --> 01:21:59,356 (music) 1172 01:22:04,679 --> 01:22:07,160 Security and terrorism are important issues, 1173 01:22:07,201 --> 01:22:10,700 but they’re symptoms. They’re not independent 1174 01:22:10,741 --> 01:22:14,409 variables. Israel is the strong party. Once 1175 01:22:14,450 --> 01:22:17,301 you bring the occupation into the picture, 1176 01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:20,441 there isn’t any more symmetry. There’s no 1177 01:22:20,461 --> 01:22:23,338 more both sides—us and them—the balance 1178 01:22:23,338 --> 01:22:25,372 that everybody loves. Palestinians 1179 01:22:25,392 --> 01:22:26,976 aren’t occupying Tel Aviv. 1180 01:22:27,659 --> 01:22:30,011 We are pleading that we do not 1181 01:22:30,052 --> 01:22:32,399 wait for more people to be killed. 1182 01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:35,773 It is quite apparent that the political 1183 01:22:35,814 --> 01:22:38,856 authorities will on their own not act. 1184 01:22:38,897 --> 01:22:41,697 We need to pressurize them. 1185 01:22:42,778 --> 01:22:45,645 (singing) 1186 01:23:04,203 --> 01:23:07,680 (singing) 1187 01:23:15,373 --> 01:23:17,939 Despite all this repressive machinery, 1188 01:23:17,959 --> 01:23:20,678 there’s a general kind of agreement that 1189 01:23:20,678 --> 01:23:23,276 it was the international dimension and the 1190 01:23:23,296 --> 01:23:25,732 internal resistance, the South African 1191 01:23:25,732 --> 01:23:28,031 Intifada, if you like, that really 1192 01:23:28,051 --> 01:23:29,765 brought an end to Apartheid. 1193 01:23:29,806 --> 01:23:31,901 You had a mass of people, people’s 1194 01:23:31,942 --> 01:23:34,831 movements, and resistance organizations etc. 1195 01:23:34,872 --> 01:23:37,226 that were in terms of numbers of people 1196 01:23:37,267 --> 01:23:40,617 quite large, but weak, taking on very 1197 01:23:40,658 --> 01:23:42,796 sophisticated structures of repression. 1198 01:23:42,837 --> 01:23:44,775 So, a really powerful opponent on 1199 01:23:44,816 --> 01:23:47,648 one hand, and a weak one on the other. 1200 01:23:48,679 --> 01:23:51,832 It was the international isolation campaign 1201 01:23:51,832 --> 01:23:55,521 that brought a sense of balance between the two. 1202 01:23:58,670 --> 01:24:01,945 At that point, the South Africans actually 1203 01:24:01,986 --> 01:24:05,054 seek out advice from the Israelis 1204 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:06,907 on how to sell themselves in the 1205 01:24:06,948 --> 01:24:08,835 West and how to improve their image. 1206 01:24:08,876 --> 01:24:12,511 The South Africans looked to Israel as a 1207 01:24:12,552 --> 01:24:16,175 sort of beacon, and they didn't understand 1208 01:24:16,175 --> 01:24:19,178 why Israel had managed to withstand 1209 01:24:19,198 --> 01:24:22,138 criticism for decades and survive, 1210 01:24:22,138 --> 01:24:24,624 and why South Africa was failing. 1211 01:24:26,172 --> 01:24:29,499 A lot of Israelis fear that they may one 1212 01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:31,921 day be delegitimized in the same way 1213 01:24:31,962 --> 01:24:33,442 South Africa was. 1214 01:24:35,695 --> 01:24:39,046 (hip-hop music) 1215 01:25:16,843 --> 01:25:18,450 What we would like is for the public 1216 01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:20,097 to realize that they actually have a 1217 01:25:20,097 --> 01:25:21,710 real positive role to play. They 1218 01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:23,516 can actually boycott these goods, 1219 01:25:23,516 --> 01:25:25,928 and we’re only individuals, but 1220 01:25:25,948 --> 01:25:28,694 together when we act holistically 1221 01:25:28,694 --> 01:25:30,328 such as the protest today, and even 1222 01:25:30,348 --> 01:25:31,957 on an individual day-to-day basis, 1223 01:25:31,957 --> 01:25:33,930 we can have a real impact in challenging 1224 01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:35,935 the occupation on a long-term level. 1225 01:25:36,135 --> 01:25:38,951 The global call came in 2005 from Palestinian 1226 01:25:38,992 --> 01:25:41,849 civil society organizations, and the idea 1227 01:25:41,890 --> 01:25:44,786 was to craft a strategy that would be a 1228 01:25:44,827 --> 01:25:47,810 non-violent means of pressuring Israel 1229 01:25:47,851 --> 01:25:51,068 to abide by international law using economic pressure. 1230 01:25:51,109 --> 01:25:53,385 These campaigns are taking root. They’re 1231 01:25:53,426 --> 01:25:55,141 gaining new supporters every day. 1232 01:25:55,141 --> 01:25:57,575 The churches have taken the lead in saying, 1233 01:25:57,629 --> 01:26:00,251 “We want socially responsible investment, 1234 01:26:00,509 --> 01:26:02,329 and that means we want to be sure that 1235 01:26:02,349 --> 01:26:04,001 none of the companies we invest in 1236 01:26:04,001 --> 01:26:05,927 are profiting from occupation.” 1237 01:26:06,008 --> 01:26:08,694 There are many, many, many initiatives going 1238 01:26:08,735 --> 01:26:11,502 around the world for boycotting Israeli goods 1239 01:26:11,543 --> 01:26:13,700 boycotting Israeli institutions and so on, 1240 01:26:13,741 --> 01:26:15,803 so it’s growing, in the cultural, academic, 1241 01:26:15,926 --> 01:26:19,004 medical, even trade unions. In South 1242 01:26:19,024 --> 01:26:22,039 Africa COSATU, the main trade union 1243 01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:24,040 body in South Africa, which has about 2 1244 01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:26,081 million members, supported the boycott. 1245 01:26:26,081 --> 01:26:28,207 There are so many. They’re mushrooming 1246 01:26:28,227 --> 01:26:29,878 really in the last two years. 1247 01:26:31,993 --> 01:26:34,889 This is happening more and more. In North 1248 01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:37,430 America you have the Canadian union 1249 01:26:37,471 --> 01:26:40,775 of postal workers. Prior to that, the 1250 01:26:40,795 --> 01:26:43,595 Canadian union of public employees. 1251 01:26:45,569 --> 01:26:48,901 The incredible growing movement, I mean, I’ve 1252 01:26:48,921 --> 01:26:51,908 traveled to literally dozens of campuses 1253 01:26:51,908 --> 01:26:55,377 around the United States, and there 1254 01:26:55,418 --> 01:26:58,668 are active divestment groups. 1255 01:26:58,768 --> 01:27:01,985 There are church divestment movements that 1256 01:27:02,076 --> 01:27:04,986 are starting and really gaining strength, 1257 01:27:05,027 --> 01:27:07,737 and facing incredible resistance, but 1258 01:27:07,778 --> 01:27:09,855 they’re not being deterred by it. 1259 01:27:10,034 --> 01:27:11,666 As our South African comrades and 1260 01:27:11,707 --> 01:27:13,844 colleagues remind us, their first call for 1261 01:27:13,885 --> 01:27:17,260 boycott was issued in the late 1950s. 1262 01:27:17,377 --> 01:27:19,622 Europe and the West started listening 1263 01:27:19,622 --> 01:27:22,116 in the ‘70s, early ‘80s, so it took them 1264 01:27:22,136 --> 01:27:24,541 30 years to get anybody to listen to them. 1265 01:27:24,584 --> 01:27:26,522 So we’re doing much better they tell us. 1266 01:27:26,563 --> 01:27:28,378 You’re going much faster than we did. 1267 01:27:30,994 --> 01:27:34,517 (hip-hop music) 1268 01:27:58,638 --> 01:28:05,830 The idea of a one-state solution begins with the notion that 1269 01:28:06,408 --> 01:28:10,062 no matter how they got there, no matter 1270 01:28:10,103 --> 01:28:13,416 the competing historical narratives, 1271 01:28:13,775 --> 01:28:16,267 the country belongs to all who live in it. 1272 01:28:16,484 --> 01:28:20,650 Let 100% of the people live in 100% of the land, 1273 01:28:20,744 --> 01:28:24,225 Since nobody can agree on how to divide it. 1274 01:28:24,801 --> 01:28:26,900 Israel’s going to have to stop being a 1275 01:28:26,941 --> 01:28:29,713 Jewish state. It can't be an ethnocracy, 1276 01:28:29,931 --> 01:28:32,376 and it has to become a democracy, whether 1277 01:28:32,396 --> 01:28:34,567 it’s a one-state or a confederation, 1278 01:28:34,567 --> 01:28:36,532 or whatever the arrangement is, that’s 1279 01:28:36,552 --> 01:28:38,181 what’s going to have to happen. 1280 01:28:38,181 --> 01:28:40,689 And it doesn’t mean, I try to tell 1281 01:28:40,730 --> 01:28:44,845 Israelis, that everything’s lost. 1282 01:28:44,993 --> 01:28:48,286 In South Africa, people still talk Afrikaans. 1283 01:28:48,327 --> 01:28:50,963 They still have an Afrikaner university. 1284 01:28:50,963 --> 01:28:54,595 You know, nobody’s going to stop speaking Hebrew here. 1285 01:28:54,874 --> 01:28:56,566 You’re restructuring. It’ll be in a 1286 01:28:56,607 --> 01:28:58,369 different, healthier environment. 1287 01:28:58,410 --> 01:29:01,641 That's the challange, That’s why I like this one-state idea. 1288 01:29:02,244 --> 01:29:04,174 You know, it wasn’t only blacks who 1289 01:29:04,215 --> 01:29:06,234 were freed when Apartheid ended. 1290 01:29:06,275 --> 01:29:08,853 I was freed. We all were freed. We were 1291 01:29:08,894 --> 01:29:12,321 liberated from this terrible corrosive 1292 01:29:12,362 --> 01:29:17,067 vision of trying to build an ethnically pure state. 1293 01:29:17,403 --> 01:29:22,700 And decades of Apartheid regime propaganda, like decades of 1294 01:29:22,741 --> 01:29:26,694 Zionist propaganda, said to the people: “If 1295 01:29:26,735 --> 01:29:30,135 you give up control, you will be devoured. 1296 01:29:30,176 --> 01:29:32,792 You will be thrown into the sea. You will be killed.” 1297 01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:35,869 And so it was very important for the 1298 01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:40,148 anti-Apartheid movement to offer to 1299 01:29:40,189 --> 01:29:43,920 ordinary white citizens a credible alternative 1300 01:29:43,961 --> 01:29:48,003 message. To say: “You will not be devoured. 1301 01:29:48,003 --> 01:29:52,016 You give up the system, and you will have a place in the future, 1302 01:29:52,016 --> 01:29:53,869 and it’s an inclusive future.” 1303 01:29:57,119 --> 01:29:59,154 There’s already a one-state. It’s already 1304 01:29:59,195 --> 01:30:01,103 one state, but it’s a one-state living 1305 01:30:01,144 --> 01:30:03,943 under Apartheid. It’s how to transform it 1306 01:30:03,984 --> 01:30:06,533 from Apartheid to democracy where people 1307 01:30:06,533 --> 01:30:09,267 get equal rights based on citizenship, not on 1308 01:30:09,308 --> 01:30:12,736 ethnicity, religion, gender, or any other identity. 1309 01:30:15,033 --> 01:30:18,118 (singing) 1310 01:30:23,537 --> 01:30:26,939 In South Africa saying that the country 1311 01:30:26,980 --> 01:30:29,709 belongs to all who live in it doesn't 1312 01:30:29,709 --> 01:30:32,961 magically solve the problems. There are 1313 01:30:33,002 --> 01:30:35,782 still massive political struggles in South 1314 01:30:35,782 --> 01:30:38,967 Africa over resource allocation, over 1315 01:30:38,987 --> 01:30:42,277 the speed of land reform, the speed of 1316 01:30:42,277 --> 01:30:45,442 economic reform, over affirmative action. 1317 01:30:48,078 --> 01:30:50,705 Those struggles for social justice 1318 01:30:50,875 --> 01:30:53,760 continue, but they have to start 1319 01:30:53,801 --> 01:30:58,064 from the premise that everyone is entitled to equal rights. 1320 01:30:58,164 --> 01:31:01,139 But you know the world doesn’t stand still. 1321 01:31:01,705 --> 01:31:04,775 There are people I meet today in South Africa 1322 01:31:04,775 --> 01:31:07,092 who don’t understand what Apartheid 1323 01:31:07,112 --> 01:31:09,124 was about. They've come into a 1324 01:31:09,124 --> 01:31:12,550 whole new world, so it’s not impossible 1325 01:31:12,570 --> 01:31:15,240 to think of other generations. 1326 01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,858 We must have the ability to think beyond our 1327 01:31:18,878 --> 01:31:21,970 own generation, to think into the future. 1328 01:31:23,904 --> 01:31:26,181 What does it matter if a man is white 1329 01:31:26,222 --> 01:31:30,517 or black? What does it matter if he’s 1330 01:31:30,558 --> 01:31:35,775 a Jew or he’s an Arab? It is possible. 1331 01:31:35,881 --> 01:31:38,628 Israel, it is possible. 1332 01:31:38,816 --> 01:31:44,830 It is possible to have peace with Jews and Arabs 1333 01:31:44,952 --> 01:31:49,572 if the heart is ready, if the soul is ready, 1334 01:31:49,704 --> 01:31:57,612 if we can transcend these petty foibles of power and pomposity, 1335 01:31:57,721 --> 01:32:01,939 and we say to this world: “It is possible.” 1336 01:32:04,391 --> 01:32:06,111 It is possible. 102222

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