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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 2 00:00:30,298 --> 00:00:32,504 The following is a dramatisation of actual events 3 00:00:32,704 --> 00:00:34,452 that occurred between 2004 and 2013. 4 00:01:00,863 --> 00:01:04,114 - So? - It's the only alligator. 5 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:11,360 Four minutes past, we walk in one minute. He was clear on that. 6 00:01:11,528 --> 00:01:14,528 He's coming. 7 00:01:20,150 --> 00:01:24,442 You know? He's too young to have that kind of access. 8 00:01:39,146 --> 00:01:41,648 Ah... what time does the restaurant open? 9 00:01:41,649 --> 00:01:42,649 Noon. 10 00:01:42,650 --> 00:01:47,353 But the food's a little too spicy. This way. 11 00:01:54,687 --> 00:02:00,394 HONG KONG MONDAY JUNE 3, 2013 12 00:02:07,224 --> 00:02:09,432 - Excuse me. - Huh. 13 00:02:09,487 --> 00:02:10,488 Thank you. 14 00:02:23,889 --> 00:02:25,972 Right here. 15 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:38,842 PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB 16 00:02:43,841 --> 00:02:47,424 It's really great to finally meet you guys. 17 00:02:47,592 --> 00:02:51,923 So first thing, can I get your cellphones please? 18 00:02:53,175 --> 00:02:57,214 Thank you. We want Laura to be the only one recording. 19 00:02:57,382 --> 00:03:00,297 Right, as discussed. Thank you. 20 00:03:00,465 --> 00:03:04,504 I actually bought this. It blocks UHF frequencies. 21 00:03:10,335 --> 00:03:12,711 You have been photographed before, right? 22 00:03:12,878 --> 00:03:16,586 Yeah, it's been a while since anybody took a photo of me. 23 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:19,793 Try thinking of this as your friend. 24 00:03:19,961 --> 00:03:22,832 Take your time. 25 00:03:26,248 --> 00:03:29,747 Can you start by telling us why you did what you did? 26 00:03:29,915 --> 00:03:32,324 And how you gained access to such a vast amount of 27 00:03:32,325 --> 00:03:34,874 information. All of which I read on the plane, and... 28 00:03:35,038 --> 00:03:40,165 Glenn. How about we just start with your name? 29 00:03:44,956 --> 00:03:48,911 My name is Edward Joseph Snowden. 30 00:03:50,327 --> 00:03:56,033 I'm 29 years old. I work as a private contractor for the NSA. 31 00:03:56,201 --> 00:03:58,971 I've also worked as a private contractor 32 00:03:58,972 --> 00:04:01,740 for the CIA and directly for the agency. 33 00:04:03,452 --> 00:04:05,143 I've worked in various jobs in the 34 00:04:05,144 --> 00:04:07,531 intelligence industry for the last nine years. 35 00:04:07,699 --> 00:04:10,738 I've been a systems engineer. 36 00:04:10,906 --> 00:04:14,573 Been a solutions consultant 37 00:04:14,737 --> 00:04:18,948 and senior adviser for the Central Intelligence Agency. 38 00:04:19,596 --> 00:04:21,164 - Rangers... - Rangers... 39 00:04:21,166 --> 00:04:22,695 - Rangers... - Rangers... 40 00:04:22,696 --> 00:04:25,527 - So you wanna be Special Forces? - Sir, yes, sir. 41 00:04:25,695 --> 00:04:29,654 I think Special Forces would be ashamed to call you soldiers. 42 00:04:29,818 --> 00:04:32,945 - Am I right? - Sir, no, sir. 43 00:04:33,109 --> 00:04:36,861 Your left. Your left right. Your left. 44 00:04:37,025 --> 00:04:43,859 - Went from driving Cadillacs. - Went from driving Cadillacs. 45 00:04:44,023 --> 00:04:50,690 - To driving convoys in Iraq. - To driving convoys in Iraq. 46 00:04:50,858 --> 00:04:53,149 Move it, soldier. 47 00:04:55,857 --> 00:04:58,896 Go. Go. Move now. 48 00:04:59,757 --> 00:05:01,430 Move. You better get going. 49 00:05:01,431 --> 00:05:04,519 Pick it up, you waste of space. Let's move. 50 00:05:06,978 --> 00:05:09,726 Come on, soldier. 51 00:05:09,894 --> 00:05:11,769 Come on, goggles. 52 00:05:11,937 --> 00:05:13,781 Snowden, what the hell are you doing? 53 00:05:13,782 --> 00:05:14,782 Nothing, sir. 54 00:05:14,783 --> 00:05:16,809 - Where's your fucking heart? - Right here, sir. 55 00:05:16,976 --> 00:05:19,141 Now I want you reach way down in that pathetic 56 00:05:19,142 --> 00:05:20,891 excuse of a chest and you rip it out. 57 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:22,799 You find your heart, and then you get 58 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,722 your broke ass on my tower. You got that? 59 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:27,766 - Sir, yes, sir. - Now get the fuck outta my face. 60 00:05:28,722 --> 00:05:31,765 I need you off my tower, gentlemen. Let's move. 61 00:05:35,012 --> 00:05:37,012 Move. Come on. 62 00:05:38,264 --> 00:05:41,031 Rise and shine maggots. Get your hands off your 63 00:05:41,032 --> 00:05:43,510 dicks and get the fuck out of my barracks. 64 00:05:43,678 --> 00:05:47,904 You guys got one minute. Fall out. Move, move, move. 65 00:05:47,905 --> 00:05:49,705 Get the hell out here. Get the hell out of my barracks. 66 00:05:50,708 --> 00:05:52,051 Move it. Keep moving. 67 00:05:52,142 --> 00:05:54,418 Let's go. All right, gentlemen. 68 00:05:57,248 --> 00:05:58,249 - Harrison? - Here. 69 00:05:58,349 --> 00:05:59,419 - Carson? - Here. 70 00:05:59,516 --> 00:06:00,551 - Ramirez? - Here. 71 00:06:00,567 --> 00:06:01,735 Fuck. 72 00:06:01,752 --> 00:06:02,753 - Pierce? - Here. 73 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,526 - Coulson? - Help. 74 00:06:06,134 --> 00:06:09,319 Snowden? Where the fuck is Snowden? 75 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,381 Help. 76 00:06:11,924 --> 00:06:14,532 You know, you've been walking around on two 77 00:06:14,533 --> 00:06:16,963 broken legs, best I can tell, for weeks. 78 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:21,445 Now, this is what happens when you put a 79 00:06:21,446 --> 00:06:24,046 80 pound rucksack on a 150 pound body. 80 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:26,705 You get these little stress fractures. 81 00:06:26,707 --> 00:06:27,794 - Easy. - Sorry. 82 00:06:27,961 --> 00:06:30,253 They build up in your tibias. You don't get 83 00:06:30,254 --> 00:06:32,336 off them and eventually they just bust. 84 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:35,978 Now you gonna be here for a few weeks, and then, I'd 85 00:06:35,979 --> 00:06:39,127 count on another eight weeks or so on crutches. 86 00:06:39,291 --> 00:06:41,498 Okay, then when do I go back? 87 00:06:41,666 --> 00:06:44,468 Son, you ever again land on those legs of yours, 88 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:47,041 airborne or not, those bones turn to powder. 89 00:06:48,249 --> 00:06:52,040 I'm gonna authorise an administrative discharge. 90 00:06:52,540 --> 00:06:55,203 Plenty of other ways to serve your country. 91 00:07:03,745 --> 00:07:05,121 GEEK-MATE.COM NEW MESSAGE 92 00:07:09,536 --> 00:07:12,328 "Ghost in the Shell" is also one of my favourites. 93 00:07:12,492 --> 00:07:15,367 Are you this pale in real life? 94 00:07:17,451 --> 00:07:21,658 Have you committed a crime for which you weren't caught? 95 00:07:21,826 --> 00:07:23,657 No. 96 00:07:25,909 --> 00:07:28,988 Have you cheated on an exam? 97 00:07:29,156 --> 00:07:30,988 No. 98 00:07:32,571 --> 00:07:34,060 Do you believe the United States is 99 00:07:34,061 --> 00:07:35,507 the greatest country in the world? 100 00:07:35,508 --> 00:07:36,508 Yes. 101 00:07:36,654 --> 00:07:40,154 Why do you want to join the CIA? 102 00:07:40,322 --> 00:07:43,945 How would you explain the internet to a child? 103 00:07:44,113 --> 00:07:48,236 Your granddad retired as an Admiral and joined the FBI. 104 00:07:48,404 --> 00:07:50,859 Dad's in the Coast Guard. 30-year man. 105 00:07:51,027 --> 00:07:53,943 What has been the most important day in your life? 106 00:07:54,111 --> 00:07:58,150 9/11. We thought my grandfather was inside the Pentagon. 107 00:07:58,318 --> 00:08:01,149 It turned out he was off-site that day. 108 00:08:01,317 --> 00:08:06,772 - You wanted to be Special Forces? - Yes, sir. I love their motto. 109 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:08,148 De oppresso liber. 110 00:08:08,149 --> 00:08:10,563 Is that what you hope to do with us? 111 00:08:10,731 --> 00:08:13,023 Free people from oppression? 112 00:08:13,187 --> 00:08:16,478 I'd like to help my country make a difference in the world. 113 00:08:16,646 --> 00:08:20,229 The internet is a technology 114 00:08:20,397 --> 00:08:22,630 that has the power to let everyone 115 00:08:22,631 --> 00:08:25,060 in the world understand each other. 116 00:08:25,228 --> 00:08:30,311 Missed a perfect score on the ASVAB test by a single question. 117 00:08:30,475 --> 00:08:33,726 Crushed the language learning test. 118 00:08:33,894 --> 00:08:37,266 Some Mandarin, some Japanese. 119 00:08:39,141 --> 00:08:41,056 And no high school diploma? So why 120 00:08:41,057 --> 00:08:43,140 did you stop attending high school? 121 00:08:43,308 --> 00:08:48,431 I had to make money. My parents were divorcing at the time. 122 00:08:48,599 --> 00:08:52,730 - Any other influences? - I'd say Joseph Campbell. 123 00:08:54,890 --> 00:08:57,761 Star Wars. Thoreau. 124 00:08:57,929 --> 00:08:59,148 Ayn Rand. 125 00:08:59,149 --> 00:09:02,804 "One man can stop the motor of the world." 126 00:09:02,968 --> 00:09:06,175 - Atlas Shrugged? - Yes, sir. I believe that. 127 00:09:06,343 --> 00:09:11,302 Let's try again. Why do you want to join the CIA? 128 00:09:14,966 --> 00:09:17,549 Well frankly, sir... 129 00:09:19,549 --> 00:09:24,256 sounds really cool to have top security clearance. 130 00:09:32,006 --> 00:09:33,590 It's not enough. 131 00:09:40,588 --> 00:09:44,879 Ordinarily. But these are not ordinary times. 132 00:09:46,587 --> 00:09:49,109 Bombs won't stop terrorism, brains will, 133 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:51,878 though we don't have nearly enough of those. 134 00:09:52,042 --> 00:09:54,846 I'm gonna give you a shot, Snowden. 135 00:09:54,847 --> 00:09:57,708 Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. You won't regret this. 136 00:09:57,876 --> 00:10:00,513 My name is Corbin O'Brian. I have many 137 00:10:00,514 --> 00:10:03,083 titles, among them senior instructor. 138 00:10:03,247 --> 00:10:06,499 You'll be joining my class at The Hill. 139 00:10:06,663 --> 00:10:10,082 Stop the vehicle. Turn off the engine. 140 00:10:11,913 --> 00:10:13,873 I need to see your ID. 141 00:10:16,580 --> 00:10:20,120 Alright. Using your left hand only, pop the trunk. 142 00:10:22,787 --> 00:10:27,578 Now place your hands through the steering wheel on the dashboard. 143 00:10:27,742 --> 00:10:29,588 Through the steering wheel on the 144 00:10:29,589 --> 00:10:31,657 dashboard. Do not exit the vehicle. 145 00:10:42,199 --> 00:10:46,030 CIA TRAINING CENTRE, VIRGINIA "THE HILL," 2006 146 00:10:48,446 --> 00:10:51,436 Excuse me. You'll be looking for Corbin's class; end of 147 00:10:51,437 --> 00:10:54,320 the hall, keep going through the second set of doors. 148 00:10:54,488 --> 00:11:00,779 - Thank you. Is that, ENIGMA? - No. ENIGMA was broken. 149 00:11:00,943 --> 00:11:04,570 This is the follow-up, SIGABA; never broken. 150 00:11:04,734 --> 00:11:07,234 Cold War's greatest encryption machine. 151 00:11:07,402 --> 00:11:11,441 Tides of history tick with this motor and these rotors. 152 00:11:11,609 --> 00:11:14,732 One day everyone's gonna want a machine like this. 153 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:18,315 Wow, I've always wanted to learn cryptography. What's this one? 154 00:11:18,483 --> 00:11:23,606 Hot line. First line between Washington and Moscow. 155 00:11:23,774 --> 00:11:27,437 Probably prevented World War III. 156 00:11:27,605 --> 00:11:30,937 You gotta name? How do I know you're not the enemy? 157 00:11:31,105 --> 00:11:34,356 - Oh sorry, Snowden. Ed Snowden. - Hank Forrester. 158 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,727 Where'd you study, Snowden? Mostly I'm self-taught. 159 00:11:37,895 --> 00:11:41,810 You can tell me if you're busy, but is that a Cray-1? 160 00:11:41,978 --> 00:11:48,725 Why yes. Yes, it is. The first supercomputer. 161 00:11:48,893 --> 00:11:51,226 We get all of this on a cell phone now. 162 00:11:51,227 --> 00:11:52,892 Yes. So you're an engineer? 163 00:11:53,060 --> 00:11:56,767 Am I an engineer? Instructor and counsellor, too. 164 00:11:56,931 --> 00:11:59,059 I'm supposed to keep an eye on you CTs. 165 00:11:59,223 --> 00:12:01,235 Make sure you don't buckle under the 166 00:12:01,236 --> 00:12:03,138 pressure. Turn to drugs and booze. 167 00:12:03,306 --> 00:12:04,876 Well, you won't have that problem 168 00:12:04,877 --> 00:12:06,637 with me. I don't drink or do drugs. 169 00:12:06,805 --> 00:12:11,636 - What is your sin of choice? - Computers. 170 00:12:11,804 --> 00:12:16,635 Well, then, Snowden, you've come to the right little whorehouse. 171 00:12:18,635 --> 00:12:21,655 The front lines in the global war on 172 00:12:21,656 --> 00:12:24,593 terror are not Iraq or Afghanistan. 173 00:12:24,761 --> 00:12:26,925 They're here. 174 00:12:27,093 --> 00:12:30,344 In London. Berlin. 175 00:12:31,844 --> 00:12:33,759 Istanbul. 176 00:12:33,923 --> 00:12:36,799 Any server. Any connection. 177 00:12:36,967 --> 00:12:41,050 The modern battlefield is everywhere. 178 00:12:43,505 --> 00:12:46,434 Which means you don't have to sit in a 179 00:12:46,435 --> 00:12:49,588 ditch eating MREs or dodging mortar fire. 180 00:12:49,756 --> 00:12:53,627 It means that if there is a another 9/11 181 00:12:53,795 --> 00:12:57,586 it'll be your fault. 182 00:12:57,754 --> 00:13:02,169 Just as the last one was my generation's. 183 00:13:02,337 --> 00:13:06,124 Believe me, you do not want to live with that burden. 184 00:13:10,667 --> 00:13:14,623 We're gonna start with an aptitude test. 185 00:13:14,791 --> 00:13:16,598 Each of you is gonna build a covert 186 00:13:16,599 --> 00:13:18,706 communications network in your home city. 187 00:13:21,497 --> 00:13:24,377 You're gonna deploy it, back up your 188 00:13:24,378 --> 00:13:27,412 site, destroy it and restore it again. 189 00:13:27,580 --> 00:13:29,925 Point of this exercise is to keep your 190 00:13:29,926 --> 00:13:32,331 infrastructure up and running securely. 191 00:13:32,495 --> 00:13:35,848 The average test time is five hours. If 192 00:13:35,849 --> 00:13:39,285 you take more than eight, you will fail. 193 00:14:04,532 --> 00:14:06,780 Mr O'Brian? 194 00:14:06,948 --> 00:14:08,779 I'm done, sir. 195 00:14:08,947 --> 00:14:11,571 You don't have to tell me when you've completed a stage. 196 00:14:11,738 --> 00:14:15,946 - No, I finished the whole thing. - It's been 40 minutes. 197 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:18,861 - 38. - What? 198 00:14:19,029 --> 00:14:21,736 38 minutes. 199 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,527 Okay. Let's see where you screwed up. 200 00:14:46,439 --> 00:14:50,438 You didn't say we had to do it in order, so I... 201 00:14:50,602 --> 00:14:53,714 I broke the sequence to save time, and I made 202 00:14:53,715 --> 00:14:56,893 the backup process to run as I built the site. 203 00:14:58,313 --> 00:15:00,976 Eyes on screens. 204 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:09,434 Mr O'Brian? 205 00:15:10,558 --> 00:15:14,557 - So, what should I do now? - Whatever you want. 206 00:15:27,964 --> 00:15:29,880 Are you this pale in real life? 207 00:15:51,256 --> 00:15:53,504 - Hey. - Hi. 208 00:15:55,004 --> 00:15:57,756 - Finally. - Yeah. 209 00:16:01,256 --> 00:16:03,588 Sorry. 210 00:16:06,924 --> 00:16:11,880 - Do you want... anything? - No. Let's go for a walk. 211 00:16:13,132 --> 00:16:15,332 You could use some sun. 212 00:16:15,333 --> 00:16:18,588 Yeah. You mentioned that earlier. 213 00:16:19,796 --> 00:16:24,796 Sorry it took me this long. You didn't want to see me on crutches. 214 00:16:24,964 --> 00:16:28,548 I was not so agile. And then this new job hit. 215 00:16:28,712 --> 00:16:30,529 What was it you're doing again? 216 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:33,172 I'm doing analysis for the State Department. 217 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:36,004 - Congratulations. - Thanks. 218 00:16:36,172 --> 00:16:38,722 Could you do me a favour and point in 219 00:16:38,723 --> 00:16:41,340 the direction of the State Department? 220 00:16:45,464 --> 00:16:50,548 - Yeah, it's that way. - Where? Are you sure? 221 00:16:50,712 --> 00:16:54,012 I mean, I'm not that great at orienting myself. 222 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,256 Not that great at lying either. 223 00:16:56,424 --> 00:17:00,588 You're going to have to work on both if you wanna be a spy. 224 00:17:00,756 --> 00:17:02,538 Where I came from everyone's parent 225 00:17:02,539 --> 00:17:04,172 worked for the State Department. 226 00:17:04,340 --> 00:17:07,796 Plus, every time you visited my website this week, 227 00:17:07,964 --> 00:17:11,380 which was quite often, it was from an IP in Virginia. 228 00:17:11,548 --> 00:17:14,132 - You know how to run an IP trace? - Yeah. 229 00:17:14,296 --> 00:17:16,189 I'm pretty sure that the State 230 00:17:16,190 --> 00:17:18,712 Department has no offices in Virginia. 231 00:17:27,296 --> 00:17:29,964 - Alright, let's see you strut it. - Let's see what? 232 00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:31,736 Let's see you strut it. Show what you 233 00:17:31,737 --> 00:17:33,172 got, you know, your best catwalk. 234 00:17:34,756 --> 00:17:38,424 Don't be shy. Come on, you got this. 235 00:17:43,088 --> 00:17:45,256 I don't know... 236 00:17:50,296 --> 00:17:55,672 No to Bush, no to bombs. No to Bush, no to bombs. 237 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,392 Would you mind signing our petition, please? 238 00:17:58,393 --> 00:17:59,424 Yes, absolutely. 239 00:18:01,588 --> 00:18:03,841 - Thank you. - Thank you so much. 240 00:18:04,004 --> 00:18:05,924 - Sir? - No thank you. 241 00:18:07,588 --> 00:18:09,197 Excuse me ma'am, you you like to sign? 242 00:18:09,199 --> 00:18:11,425 - I actually just signed. - Okay, thank you very much. 243 00:18:13,088 --> 00:18:15,712 Too much independent spirit for you? 244 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,588 No, I just don't really like bashing my country. 245 00:18:19,756 --> 00:18:24,088 It's my country too, and right now it has blood on its hands. 246 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,672 Sorry, I just have friends who are over there right now. 247 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,425 I'm not talking about the troops, I'm talking 248 00:18:31,426 --> 00:18:33,504 about the moron sending them to war. 249 00:18:33,672 --> 00:18:35,073 You mean our commander in chief? 250 00:18:35,074 --> 00:18:37,380 Yeah. Whatever you wanna call him, he's still wrong. 251 00:18:37,548 --> 00:18:40,212 How do you know he's wrong? You're just lashing out. 252 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:43,048 No, I'm not lashing out. I'm questioning our government. 253 00:18:43,212 --> 00:18:44,941 That's what we do in this country. That's 254 00:18:44,942 --> 00:18:46,464 the principle that we're founded on. 255 00:18:46,632 --> 00:18:51,256 Okay, but how about questioning the liberal media? 256 00:18:51,424 --> 00:18:55,588 You're just buying into what one side is saying. 257 00:18:55,756 --> 00:18:59,172 Maybe I am. Because my side is right. 258 00:18:59,340 --> 00:19:01,512 See that's funny, because my side is right. 259 00:19:01,514 --> 00:19:02,549 - Oh really? - Yeah. 260 00:19:04,212 --> 00:19:07,880 Why is it smart conservatives always make me so mad? 261 00:19:08,048 --> 00:19:10,712 Probably because you don't like hearing the truth. 262 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,712 You're a very frustrating individual. You know that? 263 00:19:16,132 --> 00:19:21,880 - How am I gonna make you see. - I can see just fine, thank you. 264 00:19:28,424 --> 00:19:30,796 That help at all? 265 00:19:30,964 --> 00:19:35,924 Nope, that did nothing for me. Tastes like liberal. 266 00:19:36,088 --> 00:19:38,964 Not my thing. 267 00:19:40,464 --> 00:19:44,840 "Bush lets us spy on callers without courts." 268 00:19:45,004 --> 00:19:48,632 Is it Constitutional to bypass the courts? 269 00:19:48,796 --> 00:19:50,684 No. The fourth amendment prevents 270 00:19:50,685 --> 00:19:53,088 searches and seizures without a warrant. 271 00:19:53,256 --> 00:19:56,296 That's absolutely right, Rio. Which means, 272 00:19:56,464 --> 00:19:59,121 your commander in chief, the President of 273 00:19:59,122 --> 00:20:01,588 the United States is breaking the law. 274 00:20:03,212 --> 00:20:05,756 That is what you're saying, isn't that, Rio? 275 00:20:05,924 --> 00:20:09,964 Well, I guess it depends on... who you talk to. 276 00:20:10,132 --> 00:20:12,840 And if you talk to journalists? 277 00:20:13,004 --> 00:20:15,599 Who, more often than not, don't have the 278 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,004 full picture or neglect to report it. 279 00:20:18,172 --> 00:20:20,924 You've only got a partial truth. 280 00:20:23,712 --> 00:20:27,964 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The FISA court. 281 00:20:28,132 --> 00:20:31,756 We do respect the fourth amendment in this country. 282 00:20:31,924 --> 00:20:34,712 We issue warrants based on suspicion. 283 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,712 But sometimes these warrants have to be issued by secret courts. 284 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,712 So we don't alert the suspect we're spying on. 285 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,977 And these court proceedings are 286 00:20:43,978 --> 00:20:46,548 classified, which means, surprise... 287 00:20:46,712 --> 00:20:51,172 They don't appear in papers such as the New York Times. 288 00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:56,588 - Did you see my test scores? - Yes. Top of my class, like you. 289 00:20:56,756 --> 00:20:58,672 - Here? - NSA. 290 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,088 They liked me plenty. They put me on all the best teams. 291 00:21:02,256 --> 00:21:06,964 Soviet Frontier. Desert Storm. And then the big new challenge. 292 00:21:07,132 --> 00:21:09,639 Find the terrorists in the internet 293 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,588 haystack. Helluva haystack. 294 00:21:11,756 --> 00:21:13,909 Hundreds of terabytes a minute. I mean, it 295 00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:16,212 would take you 400 years to read the e-mails. 296 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:19,010 And then you have to analyse them. Sometimes 297 00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:21,172 the more you look, the less you see. 298 00:21:22,548 --> 00:21:25,296 - What'd you come up with? - Something beautiful. In house... 299 00:21:25,464 --> 00:21:27,183 for three million dollars. A program 300 00:21:27,184 --> 00:21:29,088 that could differentiate between foreign 301 00:21:29,256 --> 00:21:31,088 and domestic... 302 00:21:31,256 --> 00:21:33,211 Encrypt every single we weren't targeting, 303 00:21:33,212 --> 00:21:34,712 so that it would remain private. 304 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,880 It was elegant, streamlined. It was the best work I ever did. 305 00:21:40,048 --> 00:21:43,172 Take a seat. 306 00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:45,504 What was it called? 307 00:21:52,048 --> 00:21:57,380 Ed, rising to the top in our world 308 00:21:57,548 --> 00:22:01,004 can sometimes be hard on a man. 309 00:22:01,172 --> 00:22:05,380 I mean, you think you're making strides. 310 00:22:05,548 --> 00:22:08,924 You think you're taking the initiative. 311 00:22:09,088 --> 00:22:11,840 And then the next minute, they grind your work out of existence. 312 00:22:12,004 --> 00:22:16,964 - They didn't use it? Why not? - Well, they never tell you why. 313 00:22:18,632 --> 00:22:21,088 Two years later, after 9/11, 314 00:22:21,256 --> 00:22:23,249 a friend of mine tells me about this 315 00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:25,296 new contractor program they're using. 316 00:22:25,464 --> 00:22:30,132 Cost four billion dollars to deploy; modelled after mine. 317 00:22:30,296 --> 00:22:33,796 But with no filters, no automation. 318 00:22:33,964 --> 00:22:36,661 Ingested everything. They were drowning 319 00:22:36,662 --> 00:22:39,088 in data. It was a fucking disaster. 320 00:22:39,256 --> 00:22:43,048 But there must have been some bigger picture, right? I mean, 321 00:22:43,212 --> 00:22:45,588 spending that kind of money. They're not stupid. 322 00:22:45,756 --> 00:22:48,293 You would think intelligence would count for 323 00:22:48,294 --> 00:22:50,548 something in the intelligence business. 324 00:22:50,712 --> 00:22:53,147 But you want to know what it really 325 00:22:53,148 --> 00:22:55,380 is? What really sets the agenda? 326 00:22:56,712 --> 00:23:02,088 Military industrial happiness management. 327 00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:04,944 You keep the coffers open in Congress, you 328 00:23:04,945 --> 00:23:07,632 keep the money flowing to the contractors. 329 00:23:07,796 --> 00:23:11,548 Efficiency, results, they go out the window. 330 00:23:11,712 --> 00:23:15,424 Not to mention... 331 00:23:16,588 --> 00:23:20,840 - Well, you're late for class. - Okay, thank you. 332 00:23:22,964 --> 00:23:25,756 - Oh, can I take another one? - Sure. 333 00:23:31,924 --> 00:23:34,672 Did you ever say anything to anybody? 334 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,004 Yeah, I went to legal. We filed complaints. 335 00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:43,632 Now here I am, tucked away, teaching you. 336 00:23:45,756 --> 00:23:49,880 Maybe that's more important in the long run. You're getting better. 337 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,004 My favourite spot on campus. 338 00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:12,632 Do you hunt, Ed? 339 00:24:15,464 --> 00:24:17,603 Just some skeet shooting with my dad a 340 00:24:17,604 --> 00:24:19,632 few times, but I never went hunting. 341 00:24:19,796 --> 00:24:23,340 - We'll go one day. - That'd be great. 342 00:24:23,504 --> 00:24:25,346 Mr O'Brian, can I ask you a question? 343 00:24:25,347 --> 00:24:27,004 How about just calling me Corbin? 344 00:24:27,172 --> 00:24:31,380 Okay. Thank you, sir. Corbin. 345 00:24:31,548 --> 00:24:36,004 I was talking with Hank Forrester, and I wanted to know 346 00:24:36,172 --> 00:24:41,212 are all of our SIGINT programs specifically targeted? 347 00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:45,172 Of course. What good would they be if they weren't? 348 00:24:46,588 --> 00:24:48,880 Yeah, I don't know. 349 00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:55,712 - Do you have a girlfriend, Ed? - Nothing serious. 350 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,840 - What's her name? - Lindsay. 351 00:24:59,004 --> 00:25:01,588 She going with you? 352 00:25:01,756 --> 00:25:04,964 No, I wouldn't want to put her in any danger. 353 00:25:05,132 --> 00:25:08,840 Well, you don't have to. We're not sending you to the Middle East. 354 00:25:13,048 --> 00:25:18,296 Sir, I'm your best student. Doesn't that count for something? 355 00:25:18,464 --> 00:25:23,504 In 20 years, Iraq'll be a hell-hole nobody cares about. 356 00:25:23,672 --> 00:25:25,796 Terrorism's a short-term threat. 357 00:25:25,964 --> 00:25:30,088 The real threats will come from China, Russia, Iran. 358 00:25:30,256 --> 00:25:33,172 And they'll come as SQL injections and malware. 359 00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:35,721 Without minds like yours, this country 360 00:25:35,722 --> 00:25:37,796 will be torn apart in cyberspace. 361 00:25:37,964 --> 00:25:40,590 I don't wanna risk losing you for some 362 00:25:40,591 --> 00:25:42,880 horse shit war over sand and oil. 363 00:25:44,964 --> 00:25:46,924 Sir, I'm surprised to hear you say that. 364 00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:51,880 You don't have to agree with your politicians to be a patriot. 365 00:25:54,756 --> 00:25:59,172 - Sir, where are you sending me? - Take a moment. Enjoy the view. 366 00:26:06,048 --> 00:26:11,172 HONG KONG TUESDAY, June 4, 2013 367 00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:22,588 This is Laura. 368 00:26:22,756 --> 00:26:26,632 - Hello. - Hello, nice to meet you. 369 00:26:26,796 --> 00:26:29,108 Ewen MacAskill from the Guardian. It's nice to meet you. 370 00:26:29,109 --> 00:26:30,109 Nice to meet you, too. 371 00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:32,569 If you don't mind, I'd like to record some... 372 00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:33,570 Ah. 373 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:37,840 - Cell phones go in the microwave. - Dare I ask why? 374 00:26:38,004 --> 00:26:41,464 We'll get to that after you ask your questions. 375 00:26:41,632 --> 00:26:44,712 Before we get on to the story, I need to know more about you. 376 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,089 Like, your career, by a glance account, is very 377 00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:50,964 varied, but the Guardian needs evidence... 378 00:26:51,132 --> 00:26:54,380 Yeah, this is my diplomatic passport for friendly countries. 379 00:26:54,548 --> 00:26:56,213 My tourist passports for everywhere 380 00:26:56,214 --> 00:26:57,924 else. You can check the visa stamps. 381 00:26:58,088 --> 00:27:01,504 My NSA badge with Booz Allen. My CIA badge with Dell. 382 00:27:01,672 --> 00:27:05,172 And this is my DIA instructor's badge. 383 00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,340 This is a photo of me with Michael Hayden, 384 00:27:08,504 --> 00:27:11,756 the former head of the NSA and the CIA. 385 00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:14,464 When can you publish? 386 00:27:14,632 --> 00:27:17,424 - Ok, do you mind if I sit down? - No, please. 387 00:27:19,756 --> 00:27:22,818 Glenn says, you want to tell people your identity. 388 00:27:22,819 --> 00:27:25,880 How do you think your government is going to react? 389 00:27:26,048 --> 00:27:28,712 Well, they'll charge me under the espionage act. 390 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,004 And they'll say I endangered national security. 391 00:27:32,172 --> 00:27:35,132 They'll demonise me, and my friends and family. 392 00:27:35,296 --> 00:27:39,088 And they'll throw me in jail. That's the best case scenario. 393 00:27:39,256 --> 00:27:40,880 And the worst? 394 00:27:41,048 --> 00:27:43,418 Well, if I don't have any media cover, 395 00:27:43,419 --> 00:27:45,424 then I'll be rendered by the CIA 396 00:27:45,588 --> 00:27:48,632 and interrogated outside of the law. 397 00:27:48,796 --> 00:27:51,258 They have a station right up the street. 398 00:27:51,259 --> 00:27:53,548 But how would they know what you did? 399 00:27:53,712 --> 00:27:55,361 Because I left a digital footprint in 400 00:27:55,362 --> 00:27:56,880 my logs. So they'll figure it out. 401 00:27:57,048 --> 00:27:58,990 I did not want a manhunt. I know 402 00:27:58,991 --> 00:28:01,296 what they would do to my colleagues. 403 00:28:02,464 --> 00:28:08,924 Look, Mr MacAskill, this is not about money or anything for me. 404 00:28:09,088 --> 00:28:11,756 There's no hidden agenda. I just wanted to get this data 405 00:28:11,924 --> 00:28:14,340 to established journalists like yourselves 406 00:28:14,504 --> 00:28:18,296 so that you can present it to the world, and the people can decide. 407 00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:20,880 Either I'm wrong 408 00:28:21,048 --> 00:28:23,318 or there's something going on inside 409 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,588 the government, that's really wrong. 410 00:28:28,504 --> 00:28:31,548 So... 411 00:28:31,712 --> 00:28:34,714 This one is everything I have on your 412 00:28:34,715 --> 00:28:37,796 British Intelligence agency, the GCHQ. 413 00:28:37,964 --> 00:28:40,672 The encryption key will follow. 414 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,628 You're gonna want your technical people at the Guardian to 415 00:28:43,629 --> 00:28:46,464 look through that thoroughly. There's a lot of stuff there. 416 00:28:50,132 --> 00:28:52,244 Listen, they're gonna investigate, and 417 00:28:52,245 --> 00:28:54,464 they're gonna figure out what I've done. 418 00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:56,567 And then they're gonna come for me. 419 00:28:56,568 --> 00:28:58,340 And now that we've made contact, 420 00:29:00,212 --> 00:29:03,340 they're gonna come for all of you, too. 421 00:29:10,256 --> 00:29:12,756 Do you mind if I go look in the microwave? 422 00:29:19,588 --> 00:29:22,048 THE GUARDIAN US NEW YORK OFFICE 423 00:29:22,212 --> 00:29:26,380 - Ewen, I'm on with Stuart. - How are you, Ewen? 424 00:29:26,548 --> 00:29:29,736 Hi, Stuart. Look I've got one thing 425 00:29:29,737 --> 00:29:32,887 to say. The Guinness here is great. 426 00:29:32,888 --> 00:29:33,888 Wonderful. 427 00:29:33,913 --> 00:29:36,381 - Absolutely the genuine article. - Good. 428 00:29:36,548 --> 00:29:38,712 But shockingly different from what you expect. 429 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,797 So, now we have the lawyers to deal 430 00:29:41,798 --> 00:29:44,632 with and no doubt the White House. 431 00:29:46,004 --> 00:29:48,712 - I got the go ahead. - That's great. 432 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,518 Good, let's get started. We have a lot to 433 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,194 go through here and it's not easy reading. 434 00:29:52,195 --> 00:29:53,756 We can start by showing him XKeyscore. 435 00:29:53,924 --> 00:29:56,642 Good idea. Can you bring it up again and walk us through it? 436 00:29:56,643 --> 00:29:57,643 Yeah. 437 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:09,048 - Do we all get under there now? - He's protecting his passwords. 438 00:30:09,212 --> 00:30:11,756 Okay, so... 439 00:30:15,672 --> 00:30:18,802 This was introduced during my first 440 00:30:18,803 --> 00:30:21,672 deployment at the CIA in Geneva. 441 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,504 XKeyscore. What does that do? 442 00:30:26,672 --> 00:30:29,924 It's like a search interface. 443 00:30:31,504 --> 00:30:34,880 - What does it search for? - Anything you want. 444 00:30:36,712 --> 00:30:39,424 What was your assignment in Geneva? 445 00:30:39,588 --> 00:30:41,780 Well, I was assigned with diplomatic 446 00:30:41,781 --> 00:30:43,380 cover to the UN mission to 447 00:30:43,548 --> 00:30:47,548 maintain the CIA's computer security network. 448 00:30:49,632 --> 00:30:54,256 I spent almost two years around CIA field officers. 449 00:31:01,756 --> 00:31:04,548 I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand. 450 00:31:04,712 --> 00:31:07,253 Sherman says you hacked the Human Resources site. 451 00:31:07,254 --> 00:31:08,964 Yeah, it's my job to find flaws. 452 00:31:09,132 --> 00:31:11,407 The security of the HR site is not your 453 00:31:11,408 --> 00:31:13,796 problem. You went outside the wheelhouse. 454 00:31:13,964 --> 00:31:16,924 Okay, but just to clarify, I did not hack. 455 00:31:17,088 --> 00:31:19,924 I showed that it could be hacked. You told me to find a patch. 456 00:31:20,088 --> 00:31:22,088 - Do you have that in writing? - Yes, I do. 457 00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:25,004 Remember, I sent you the proof of concept. 458 00:31:27,796 --> 00:31:29,577 Doesn't matter what you did, Snowden, right or wrong, 459 00:31:29,578 --> 00:31:31,424 you need to let these things be someone else's problem. 460 00:31:31,588 --> 00:31:33,978 He's also put a derog in your file. 461 00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:34,979 Excuse me? 462 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:37,499 Let that be a lesson. I don't want him calling 463 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,088 me again about another Ed Snowden moment. Okay? 464 00:31:44,004 --> 00:31:46,433 Why don't you take it easy the rest of 465 00:31:46,434 --> 00:31:48,924 the day. Go work on the scrubbing pile? 466 00:31:54,088 --> 00:31:56,025 That didn't look like it went well. 467 00:31:56,026 --> 00:31:57,026 Hey man, yeah. 468 00:31:57,027 --> 00:32:00,464 No, I just got a derog for doing my job. 469 00:32:00,632 --> 00:32:04,380 Politics, man. Culture of fear wins again. 470 00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:06,672 I can't get anything done here. 471 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,082 Hey what about that idea that we've been talking about? 472 00:32:10,083 --> 00:32:11,256 I'm working on it. 473 00:32:11,424 --> 00:32:14,172 I'm waiting for a callback from our friend at The Hill. 474 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:17,296 Corbin? You called Corbin? Do you think he could do something? 475 00:32:17,464 --> 00:32:20,424 We'll see. Maybe some limited field ops under my supervision. 476 00:32:20,588 --> 00:32:22,808 Yes, that would be amazing, I would love... 477 00:32:22,809 --> 00:32:23,809 Easy, Ed. 478 00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:26,857 I've gotta see a cleric in Milan. We'll talk after. 479 00:32:26,858 --> 00:32:27,964 Okay. Thank you. 480 00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,732 Damn, CIA does not like to leave a trace, huh? 481 00:32:48,733 --> 00:32:49,733 Can I help you? 482 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,088 Ever been curious to check one out? 483 00:32:52,256 --> 00:32:53,881 See what crazy ass covert kill mission 484 00:32:53,882 --> 00:32:55,340 you might be erasing from history? 485 00:32:55,504 --> 00:32:58,256 - I'm sorry, who are you with? - No Such Agency. 486 00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:00,842 I'm Gabriel Sol. I'm the 50 pound brain 487 00:33:00,843 --> 00:33:03,380 from the council of wizards and warlocks. 488 00:33:03,548 --> 00:33:04,548 Excuse me? 489 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:06,588 Give me your intel for Bucharest, dude. 490 00:33:06,756 --> 00:33:09,296 Oh. Unless there's another Dave Churchyard. 491 00:33:09,464 --> 00:33:11,924 No, that's me. Right this way. 492 00:33:15,756 --> 00:33:18,256 - I'll be right outside. - You stay if you want. 493 00:33:18,424 --> 00:33:22,504 No, I don't have authorisation to use NSA programs. 494 00:33:22,672 --> 00:33:25,435 If you're the messenger to Bucharest, you must have 495 00:33:25,436 --> 00:33:27,707 PRIVAC clearance to see the finished intel, yes? 496 00:33:27,709 --> 00:33:28,709 Yeah. 497 00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:32,132 So what difference does it make if you see how it's put together. 498 00:33:34,296 --> 00:33:36,212 It's up to you, man. 499 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,632 - You're giving me just names? - Aye, a lot more than names. 500 00:33:44,796 --> 00:33:46,400 What I will be providing you and the 501 00:33:46,401 --> 00:33:48,048 fine gentlemen of the Secret Service, 502 00:33:48,212 --> 00:33:52,588 is a list of every threat about the president since February 3rd. 503 00:33:52,756 --> 00:33:56,588 And a profile of every threat maker. 504 00:33:56,756 --> 00:34:00,380 And these are, like, existing targets? 505 00:34:00,548 --> 00:34:03,964 99% are gonna come from the bulk collection program, so... 506 00:34:04,132 --> 00:34:06,999 Upstream, Muscular, Tempora, PRISM. 507 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,088 PRISM? 508 00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:12,424 You got a little Snow White in you. 509 00:34:12,588 --> 00:34:15,173 Almost makes me feel like the witch 510 00:34:15,174 --> 00:34:17,256 bringing you a poison apple. 511 00:34:17,424 --> 00:34:21,464 Exhibit A: Oakland resident Justin Pinsky posted on a message board: 512 00:34:21,632 --> 00:34:24,340 "Romania has a storied history of executing their leaders, 513 00:34:24,504 --> 00:34:28,132 couldn't they do us a solid and take out Bush?" 514 00:34:28,296 --> 00:34:31,088 Oh, this looks juicy. It's from a G-chat. 515 00:34:33,424 --> 00:34:37,964 "With the biggest python, you've ever seen." 516 00:34:38,132 --> 00:34:40,504 How is this all possible? 517 00:34:40,672 --> 00:34:45,212 Keyword selectors. "Attack", "take out Bush". 518 00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:48,632 So think of it as a Google search, except instead of searching 519 00:34:48,796 --> 00:34:50,440 only what people make public, we're also 520 00:34:50,441 --> 00:34:51,924 looking at everything they don't, so 521 00:34:52,088 --> 00:34:57,340 - E-mail, chats, SMS. Whatever. - Yes, but which people? 522 00:34:57,504 --> 00:34:59,756 The whole kingdom, Snow White. 523 00:35:06,426 --> 00:35:08,312 Which ambassador is he again? 524 00:35:08,313 --> 00:35:11,050 De la Hoya, the World Trade Organisation. 525 00:35:26,674 --> 00:35:29,382 So, O'Brian came through for ya. 526 00:35:29,550 --> 00:35:31,365 He agrees your talents are being 527 00:35:31,366 --> 00:35:33,634 wasted. You ready for a little action? 528 00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:38,010 - Really? You mean right here? - Yeah. 529 00:35:38,174 --> 00:35:40,926 You see the woman in the pink number? 530 00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:43,926 Credit Suisse. JP Morgan's on her arm. 531 00:35:44,090 --> 00:35:47,550 Grandma's with Deutsche Bank. 10,000 bankers in this town... 532 00:35:47,718 --> 00:35:49,590 all you need to turn is one. 533 00:35:49,758 --> 00:35:53,342 Socialise. Meet a few. Preferably one sitting on a 534 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:58,966 pile of dirty Saudi money that's funding Bin Laden. 535 00:35:59,134 --> 00:36:00,311 Churchyard. 536 00:36:00,312 --> 00:36:03,842 This man is either a fool or a spy. 537 00:36:07,218 --> 00:36:09,842 Mr Nembrini? Asks you, business card please. 538 00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:14,674 An ambassador. Wow. I wish I had your schmoozing skills. 539 00:36:14,842 --> 00:36:19,010 - That's why you have me. - Don't know any banker, do you? 540 00:36:19,174 --> 00:36:22,382 Bankers? Are you on some kind of assignment or something? 541 00:36:24,342 --> 00:36:29,802 I'm relationship cultivating, and not well. 542 00:36:29,966 --> 00:36:34,010 - Let me help. - No, this is serious. 543 00:36:34,174 --> 00:36:36,466 I know it's serious. Trust me. 544 00:36:38,926 --> 00:36:42,342 - Any luck? - No. No bites. 545 00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:45,258 Is there some kinda trick to it? 546 00:36:45,426 --> 00:36:48,426 It's all about finding the pressure point. 547 00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:51,218 Everything else is just pushing 'em. 548 00:36:53,218 --> 00:36:55,842 Looks like you're being summoned. 549 00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:03,426 Marwan, may I interrupt? This is my boyfriend Dave. 550 00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:05,926 - Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 551 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:08,802 Marwan works at Monfort. We were talking 552 00:37:08,966 --> 00:37:13,050 and after last week he may be able to give you some tips. 553 00:37:13,218 --> 00:37:16,302 - Gentlemen, I'll see you inside. - Last week? 554 00:37:16,466 --> 00:37:20,174 He's embarrassed. It was a lot of money for us. 555 00:37:22,382 --> 00:37:26,926 Day trading is a perilous sport. You shouldn't be ashamed of it. 556 00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:30,510 Yeah. I'm gonna grab some food. See you guys inside? 557 00:37:30,674 --> 00:37:32,634 Sure. 558 00:37:32,802 --> 00:37:35,674 - You have a lovely girlfriend. - Thank you so much. 559 00:37:35,842 --> 00:37:38,111 You know I work in IT, and so I just 560 00:37:38,112 --> 00:37:40,134 figured I could crack the market 561 00:37:40,302 --> 00:37:42,134 like a weak network. 562 00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:45,758 May I ask how precipitous were your losses? 563 00:37:45,926 --> 00:37:50,134 Well, I told Lindsay it was 20,000, but between you and me 564 00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:54,842 it was closer to 45. I tried to recoup, but 565 00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:57,390 that was a mistake, and now without any real grounding, 566 00:37:57,391 --> 00:37:59,302 I feel like I'm just sliding out of control. 567 00:37:59,466 --> 00:38:02,457 I've seen it many times and I'm always happy to 568 00:38:02,458 --> 00:38:05,634 help a man break a bad habit before it gets going. 569 00:38:05,802 --> 00:38:08,010 Well, thank you, I really appreciate it. 570 00:38:09,134 --> 00:38:12,510 It's the cleanest Pakistani I've ever seen. 571 00:38:12,674 --> 00:38:14,897 You got no first degree ties to 572 00:38:14,898 --> 00:38:17,550 government or ISI. No shady family. 573 00:38:17,718 --> 00:38:19,864 Second degree contacts are off the charts, but that's 574 00:38:19,865 --> 00:38:22,010 everyone in the Middle East with a six-figure income. 575 00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:23,808 It's not dirt that we need 576 00:38:23,809 --> 00:38:26,134 necessarily. It's a pressure point. 577 00:38:26,302 --> 00:38:29,240 Something intimate. Some kind of weakness. 578 00:38:29,241 --> 00:38:31,426 Can we look through his family? 579 00:38:33,258 --> 00:38:37,010 How about his sister-in-law? 580 00:38:41,966 --> 00:38:45,234 What is that? Is that some video that she sent somebody? 581 00:38:45,235 --> 00:38:46,342 No, this is live. 582 00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:49,550 - Out of Paris. - What do you mean "live"? 583 00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:52,674 Optic Nerve. It's camera and mic activation. 584 00:38:52,842 --> 00:38:54,926 I wish we could take credit, but the Brits wrote it. 585 00:38:55,090 --> 00:39:00,050 - Activation? - Yeah, her laptop's off. 586 00:39:00,218 --> 00:39:02,305 Or was. She just forgot to close it. Of course, how would she 587 00:39:02,306 --> 00:39:04,426 now? The shit is so sly the webcam light doesn't even turn on. 588 00:39:12,302 --> 00:39:16,466 I've always wondered what was under those. 589 00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:25,758 Let's stick to family in Geneva. Alright? 590 00:39:25,926 --> 00:39:28,882 Okay, Snow White. 591 00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:33,258 15-year-old daughter at the International School. 592 00:39:33,426 --> 00:39:37,718 - Facebook? Is that possible? - Dude, Facebook is my bitch. 593 00:39:37,882 --> 00:39:42,218 Seriously? If she fights with her parents... 594 00:39:42,382 --> 00:39:45,842 Don't worry. I know all the hooks for this kinda fishing. 595 00:39:47,382 --> 00:39:50,342 Query name? E-mail, keyword, whatever selector we want. 596 00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:54,718 And justification is where I write. 597 00:39:56,758 --> 00:40:00,010 In other words, turning her daddy into a CIA informant. 598 00:40:00,174 --> 00:40:02,302 - That's it? - That's it, bro. 599 00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:06,010 You don't have to get a FISA court order? 600 00:40:06,174 --> 00:40:08,342 No, not here. XKeyscore's under 702 601 00:40:08,343 --> 00:40:10,510 authority, which means no warrants. 602 00:40:10,674 --> 00:40:14,382 Okay, but US targets, then you'd have to get the court order? 603 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:17,966 You mean FISA? Yeah, that's just a big-ass rubber stamp, dude. 604 00:40:18,134 --> 00:40:19,680 I mean, FISA judges are all appointed by 605 00:40:19,681 --> 00:40:21,302 the chief justice, who's like, you know... 606 00:40:23,634 --> 00:40:27,758 Darth Vader when it comes to national security. Boom. 607 00:40:31,342 --> 00:40:36,718 And the boy, third base, is... 608 00:40:38,050 --> 00:40:40,510 Nadim. Okay. 609 00:40:42,218 --> 00:40:44,800 He's 18. Salma says she wants to marry 610 00:40:44,801 --> 00:40:47,382 him. But she's scared of her parents. 611 00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:51,966 And what she does not know is that his other name is... 612 00:40:52,134 --> 00:40:54,302 Nicolas. 613 00:40:54,466 --> 00:40:58,550 And he's currently banging Geraldine and Julie. 614 00:40:58,718 --> 00:41:00,718 And... 615 00:41:03,926 --> 00:41:08,426 He and his Turkish mother are here illegally. 616 00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:14,590 That's it. 617 00:41:27,590 --> 00:41:31,926 - What are we doing here? - You're making people very happy. 618 00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:35,201 Mr Marwan's bank handles serious Saudi money 619 00:41:35,202 --> 00:41:38,174 and a whole bunch of Russian billionaires. 620 00:41:38,342 --> 00:41:43,174 What about any al Qaeda money? Anything promising? 621 00:41:43,342 --> 00:41:47,550 Ed, I'm up for a promotion soon; I will not forget my friends. 622 00:41:47,718 --> 00:41:50,805 Thank you. This is all going kinda fast. 623 00:41:50,806 --> 00:41:53,590 I just sent some initial background. 624 00:41:53,758 --> 00:41:56,802 - There he is. The man. - Hello, Marwan. 625 00:41:56,966 --> 00:42:01,382 - Dave. How wonderful to see you. - Good to see you too. 626 00:42:01,550 --> 00:42:05,674 I counting, Marwan. You snuck in an extra half hour back there. 627 00:42:05,842 --> 00:42:09,966 I'm afraid she was merely listening to an old man's woes. 628 00:42:10,134 --> 00:42:13,510 - Oh, I see. - How are you, Marwan? 629 00:42:15,758 --> 00:42:19,302 I must tell you, Dave, since we met 630 00:42:19,466 --> 00:42:23,050 my life has got somewhat topsy-turvy. 631 00:42:23,218 --> 00:42:25,758 I'm sorry to hear that. 632 00:42:25,926 --> 00:42:30,426 But your colleague Charles has graciously offered his help. 633 00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:33,434 So I owe him and you a great deal. 634 00:42:33,435 --> 00:42:35,510 Can I ask what happened? 635 00:42:35,674 --> 00:42:38,718 My daughter had a... 636 00:42:38,882 --> 00:42:43,342 Marwan's daughter took too many sleeping pills. She's alright. 637 00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:44,986 It had something to do with her 638 00:42:44,987 --> 00:42:46,842 boyfriend, who was recently deported. 639 00:42:47,010 --> 00:42:49,674 We're trying to secure a visa for him. 640 00:42:49,842 --> 00:42:54,134 Even so, I'm afraid that Salma will... 641 00:42:54,302 --> 00:42:57,802 I'm sorry. I won't trouble you with such matters. 642 00:42:57,966 --> 00:43:03,090 Hey. Talk as much as you want. Alright? Family comes first. 643 00:43:16,342 --> 00:43:19,302 Where is my beauty? 644 00:43:19,466 --> 00:43:22,882 I'm never like this. 645 00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:27,966 You sit down, huh? Just sit tight. 646 00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:33,510 What the fuck's going on? 647 00:43:33,674 --> 00:43:36,043 I've been acting quickly and effectively on 648 00:43:36,044 --> 00:43:38,466 very good signals intelligence you provided. 649 00:43:38,634 --> 00:43:42,926 - And if his daughter had died? - We could've used that, too. 650 00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:46,258 Are you serious? What, in the name of a promotion? 651 00:43:48,342 --> 00:43:51,510 Marwan can't be away from his family right now. 652 00:43:51,674 --> 00:43:54,112 So in the morning, when he's facing 653 00:43:54,113 --> 00:43:56,550 jail, we're gonna offer him a deal. 654 00:43:56,718 --> 00:43:58,882 - And he won't turn it down. - Jail? For what? 655 00:43:59,050 --> 00:44:01,815 Drunk driving. Now, I want you to call the 656 00:44:01,816 --> 00:44:04,258 police. Tell 'em you saw a Mercedes... 657 00:44:04,426 --> 00:44:07,674 No, he's not driving right now. Look at him, he'll kill himself. 658 00:44:10,258 --> 00:44:13,090 - Okay. I'll call 'em. - Hey. 659 00:44:13,258 --> 00:44:15,674 He's not driving. 660 00:44:15,842 --> 00:44:21,674 Remind me, are you authorised on any of the NSA programs you use? 661 00:44:21,842 --> 00:44:25,218 So we're both doing a little fucked up shit here? 662 00:44:25,382 --> 00:44:29,466 - Watch yourself, Ed. - I will tell him who you are. 663 00:44:29,634 --> 00:44:32,418 You reveal the identity of an undercover officer, 664 00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:35,258 you're going to jail for a lot longer than Marwan. 665 00:44:56,134 --> 00:44:59,758 - Hey. - Sorry I'm so late. 666 00:45:01,550 --> 00:45:03,842 How was work? 667 00:45:05,802 --> 00:45:08,466 It was... 668 00:45:08,634 --> 00:45:10,426 alright. 669 00:45:10,590 --> 00:45:16,674 I have to wake up in like, three hours. My flight's at seven. 670 00:45:20,382 --> 00:45:23,758 Better be quick, then. 671 00:46:08,218 --> 00:46:11,590 I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies 672 00:46:11,758 --> 00:46:14,426 with tools they need to track and take out the terrorists 673 00:46:14,590 --> 00:46:17,758 without undermining our Constitution and our freedom. 674 00:46:17,926 --> 00:46:21,510 That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. 675 00:46:21,674 --> 00:46:26,382 No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. 676 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:29,010 - Hey hon. - Hey. 677 00:46:29,174 --> 00:46:33,010 What happened to the London trip? 678 00:46:33,174 --> 00:46:35,426 Turns out I'm not going. 679 00:46:38,674 --> 00:46:41,802 What's going on? Who's winning? 680 00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:48,342 Still early. 681 00:46:52,674 --> 00:46:57,258 - Obama ahead 67% to 32%. - Come on, big ears. 682 00:46:57,426 --> 00:46:59,966 Check out Florida. 683 00:47:04,382 --> 00:47:07,134 Holy shit, he's gonna win it. 684 00:47:07,302 --> 00:47:09,050 - Florida? - Yeah. 685 00:47:09,218 --> 00:47:12,634 - That's big. - It's huge. 686 00:47:12,802 --> 00:47:17,090 You can act nonchalant, but I know you are starting to root for him. 687 00:47:17,258 --> 00:47:19,340 I've been watching your inner liberal grow. Which I 688 00:47:19,341 --> 00:47:21,302 will take a modest percentage of the credit for. 689 00:47:21,466 --> 00:47:24,342 And you deserve it. 690 00:47:26,926 --> 00:47:29,218 What is this? 691 00:47:32,634 --> 00:47:34,842 Oh, yeah, that. Just leave that there. 692 00:47:36,758 --> 00:47:41,842 Russian hackers. Agency says they can activate webcams now. 693 00:47:42,010 --> 00:47:45,802 - That's creepy. - Yeah, it's bothering me. 694 00:47:45,966 --> 00:47:49,491 Whatever. It's not a big deal. You shouldn't even bother you. 695 00:47:49,492 --> 00:47:50,758 It's not a big deal? 696 00:47:50,926 --> 00:47:54,050 What, that someone could be watching you right now? 697 00:47:54,218 --> 00:47:57,758 No, I'm not hiding anything. 698 00:47:57,926 --> 00:48:00,299 That's such a bullshit line. 699 00:48:00,301 --> 00:48:02,843 - What is? - Nothing to hide. 700 00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:06,090 - I don't. - Everyone does. 701 00:48:06,258 --> 00:48:09,302 Okay, well then what do I have to hide? 702 00:48:09,466 --> 00:48:13,218 - Forget it. - No. What have I have to hide? 703 00:48:13,382 --> 00:48:14,425 No, let's just drop it. 704 00:48:14,426 --> 00:48:16,802 Apparently you think that I'm hiding something, so... 705 00:48:16,966 --> 00:48:19,489 Okay, the other day your computer was open and I 706 00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:22,218 happened to notice you were on the site where we met 707 00:48:22,382 --> 00:48:24,092 and you're looking at other guys. 708 00:48:24,093 --> 00:48:26,134 So you just were looking at my computer? 709 00:48:26,302 --> 00:48:28,221 I wouldn't have even brought this up. 710 00:48:28,222 --> 00:48:30,090 You asked me what do I have to hide, 711 00:48:30,258 --> 00:48:33,966 that's something you're not telling me. 712 00:48:36,218 --> 00:48:38,045 Well, it's... it's not... I don't do 713 00:48:38,046 --> 00:48:40,218 anything. I don't meet any of those people. 714 00:48:43,718 --> 00:48:45,731 You're gone for weeks at a time. So it's 715 00:48:45,732 --> 00:48:47,842 like I'm peering into other people's lives 716 00:48:48,010 --> 00:48:51,134 because my own is just temporarily on hold. 717 00:48:51,302 --> 00:48:55,010 - That sounds like an excuse. - It's the truth. 718 00:49:11,174 --> 00:49:17,466 I should've told you, and I didn't. Sorry. 719 00:49:17,634 --> 00:49:20,926 But it's not a big deal. 720 00:49:33,634 --> 00:49:37,342 Look at me. I don't want anyone else. 721 00:49:38,426 --> 00:49:43,050 I do not want any other life. Okay? 722 00:49:58,010 --> 00:50:00,382 Listen... 723 00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:07,134 I didn't go to London today because I resigned. 724 00:50:07,302 --> 00:50:08,552 What? 725 00:50:08,553 --> 00:50:12,302 Personal differences. A matter of principle. 726 00:50:13,882 --> 00:50:16,258 Can you tell me anything else? 727 00:50:19,342 --> 00:50:23,758 - Did you get reposted? - No, I resigned the CIA. 728 00:50:24,966 --> 00:50:27,245 So what does that mean? What do we do. 729 00:50:27,246 --> 00:50:28,246 I don't know. 730 00:50:28,302 --> 00:50:31,634 I'll figure it out, but listen... 731 00:50:32,882 --> 00:50:36,090 This is a good thing. Trust me. 732 00:50:40,926 --> 00:50:43,302 I do. 733 00:50:54,802 --> 00:50:57,466 He's gonna win. 734 00:50:59,134 --> 00:51:01,510 He better. 735 00:51:01,674 --> 00:51:05,173 CNN can now project that Barack Obama, 47 years old, 736 00:51:05,174 --> 00:51:08,342 will become the president of the United States. 737 00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:11,009 Every agency and department should know 738 00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:13,758 that this administration stands on the side 739 00:51:13,926 --> 00:51:16,096 not on those who seek to withhold information 740 00:51:16,097 --> 00:51:17,842 but those who seek to make it known. 741 00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:22,897 Janine is the website editor of a small, 742 00:51:22,898 --> 00:51:25,080 stateside office of a British newspaper 743 00:51:25,244 --> 00:51:28,288 up against the most powerful government in the world. 744 00:51:28,452 --> 00:51:29,788 She won't be bullied. 745 00:51:29,952 --> 00:51:31,727 We need to establish that we're not 746 00:51:31,728 --> 00:51:33,996 compromising national security by publishing. 747 00:51:33,997 --> 00:51:35,536 We need to have alternatives. 748 00:51:35,704 --> 00:51:38,211 Listen, Ed. The real issue here is the day 749 00:51:38,212 --> 00:51:40,660 the White House are aware that Janine has 750 00:51:40,828 --> 00:51:43,952 leaked, top secret FISA court order, 751 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,547 anything could happen. They subpoena 752 00:51:45,548 --> 00:51:46,743 the Guardian. For that matter, 753 00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:49,288 they could break through that door any minute ending all of this. 754 00:51:50,412 --> 00:51:53,653 We are running out of time. We seriously have to think 755 00:51:53,654 --> 00:51:56,952 about doing this on our own website. We have no choice. 756 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,744 You can't just start dumping articles on the internet. 757 00:52:00,912 --> 00:52:03,744 Look at Wikileaks. It destroyed their credibility. 758 00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:06,574 Look, Ed, you said it yourself, if this isn't done 759 00:52:06,575 --> 00:52:09,080 properly, the world isn't going to take notice. 760 00:52:09,244 --> 00:52:12,147 You need experienced journalists to lead the public 761 00:52:12,148 --> 00:52:14,660 through some very, very complicated stories. 762 00:52:14,828 --> 00:52:18,244 - We are experienced journalists. - My feeling... 763 00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:29,080 - Has anyone called here before? - Not once. Not in three weeks. 764 00:52:29,244 --> 00:52:32,496 Well, shall I answer it? Tell them it's a wrong number. 765 00:52:33,912 --> 00:52:35,368 Yes? 766 00:52:36,536 --> 00:52:38,744 No I don't. 767 00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:41,580 Okay. Thank you. 768 00:52:43,496 --> 00:52:46,452 Asked if I wanted turndown service and she said 769 00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:50,204 the "do not disturb" sign was off the door. 770 00:53:06,412 --> 00:53:07,828 So? 771 00:53:08,788 --> 00:53:11,620 Do we wait or go on our own? 772 00:53:13,580 --> 00:53:16,230 Look, I said from the beginning that how you 773 00:53:16,231 --> 00:53:18,704 publish is your business and I trust you. 774 00:53:18,868 --> 00:53:22,496 The only thing I ask is you study the data and you be responsible. 775 00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:25,056 No names. No specifics. Anything ongoing 776 00:53:25,057 --> 00:53:27,160 that's critical, you don't release. 777 00:53:27,328 --> 00:53:28,831 Just stick to the issue of mass 778 00:53:28,832 --> 00:53:30,868 surveillance, and let the people decide. 779 00:53:31,036 --> 00:53:33,090 You have our word on that, but that's 780 00:53:33,091 --> 00:53:35,036 not the question. We have to ask... 781 00:53:36,036 --> 00:53:38,308 Right now the White House is arranging a conference 782 00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:40,536 call between Janine and the intelligence services. 783 00:53:40,704 --> 00:53:43,085 Now that's gonna happen in a few 784 00:53:43,086 --> 00:53:45,912 hours. Let's at least wait for that. 785 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,744 See what they say to her. 786 00:53:51,996 --> 00:53:54,080 I say we pause a moment. 787 00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:57,870 Yeah, I think we should reassemble in 788 00:53:57,871 --> 00:54:00,080 this room after the call takes place. 789 00:54:00,244 --> 00:54:02,962 So that's around midnight; be noon in New York. 790 00:54:02,963 --> 00:54:03,963 Alright. 791 00:54:04,788 --> 00:54:07,580 I'll take another pass at the PRISM story in the meantime. 792 00:54:07,744 --> 00:54:12,080 We'll be in our hotel room if you need us, okay? 793 00:54:21,368 --> 00:54:24,660 You mind, maybe we take a break from that? For a second. 794 00:54:26,828 --> 00:54:28,952 Yes, sorry. 795 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,849 You wanna take a look? Might make you feel 796 00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:34,704 better. It's not recording, just on standby. 797 00:54:39,368 --> 00:54:43,328 When did this start for you? Not wanting your photo taken? 798 00:54:43,496 --> 00:54:46,366 Probably in Japan. Remember every time 799 00:54:46,367 --> 00:54:48,868 a camera pointed at me, it was... 800 00:54:49,868 --> 00:54:53,120 - I couldn't breathe. - Why was that? 801 00:54:53,288 --> 00:54:55,747 I probably spent too much time looking 802 00:54:55,748 --> 00:54:57,828 at other people through cameras. 803 00:54:58,868 --> 00:55:01,244 Japan was your first NSA job, right? 804 00:55:01,412 --> 00:55:06,120 Yeah, well as a contractor; Dell. I had a lot of access. 805 00:55:06,288 --> 00:55:09,580 Why'd you go back after Geneva? 806 00:55:11,828 --> 00:55:15,288 Because of the money, and because I wanted to live in Japan. 807 00:55:15,452 --> 00:55:17,709 And because of Obama, actually. You know, I 808 00:55:17,710 --> 00:55:20,120 thought things were gonna get better with him. 809 00:55:23,452 --> 00:55:25,328 I was wrong. 810 00:55:28,412 --> 00:55:30,620 YOKOTA AIR BASE, TOKYO 2009 811 00:55:30,788 --> 00:55:33,036 What was it like there? 812 00:55:33,204 --> 00:55:34,941 Well, the first part of my day, I was 813 00:55:34,942 --> 00:55:36,952 building this round-the-clock backup system 814 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,244 called Epic Shelter. 815 00:55:39,412 --> 00:55:42,275 So if there was some catastrophe, say 816 00:55:42,276 --> 00:55:44,912 terrorists burn down every embassy 817 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,868 and NSA post in the the Middle East, this program would ensure 818 00:55:49,036 --> 00:55:51,996 we wouldn't lose any of that data. 819 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,368 But then I would have to put it aside when visitors would show. 820 00:55:56,536 --> 00:56:02,368 NSA wanted to impress the Japanese. Show them our reach. 821 00:56:02,536 --> 00:56:05,828 They loved the live drone feeds. 822 00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:09,620 This is Pakistan right now. 823 00:56:12,828 --> 00:56:16,368 They were not as thrilled to learn that we wanted them to help us 824 00:56:16,536 --> 00:56:19,536 spy on the Japanese population. 825 00:56:19,704 --> 00:56:22,244 They said it was against their laws. 826 00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:26,704 Of course, we tapped the entire country anyway. 827 00:56:26,868 --> 00:56:30,788 And we didn't stop there. Once we owned their communication systems 828 00:56:30,952 --> 00:56:33,868 started going after the physical infrastructure. 829 00:56:34,036 --> 00:56:37,183 We'd slipped these little sleeper programs 830 00:56:37,184 --> 00:56:39,744 into power grids, dams, hospitals. 831 00:56:39,912 --> 00:56:44,452 And the idea was if the day came when Japan was no longer an ally 832 00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:47,160 it'd be lights out. 833 00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:51,471 And it wasn't just the Japanese. We 834 00:56:51,472 --> 00:56:53,204 were planting malware in Mexico, 835 00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:56,204 Germany, Brazil, Austria. 836 00:56:57,704 --> 00:57:02,120 I mean, China I can understand. Or Russia or Iran. Venezuela, okay. 837 00:57:02,288 --> 00:57:04,412 But, Austria? 838 00:57:05,412 --> 00:57:07,952 You're also being ordered to follow most 839 00:57:07,953 --> 00:57:10,244 world leaders and heads of industry. 840 00:57:10,412 --> 00:57:13,044 You know, you're tracking trade deals, 841 00:57:13,045 --> 00:57:15,204 sex scandals, diplomatic cables 842 00:57:15,368 --> 00:57:19,288 to give the US an advantage in negotiations at the G8 843 00:57:19,452 --> 00:57:22,996 or leverage over Brazilian oil companies. 844 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,421 Or helping to oust some third world 845 00:57:25,422 --> 00:57:27,368 leader who's not playing ball. 846 00:57:28,788 --> 00:57:31,517 And ultimately the truth sinks in that no matter 847 00:57:31,518 --> 00:57:33,912 what justification you're selling yourself 848 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,868 this is not about terrorism. 849 00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:39,660 Terrorism is the excuse. 850 00:57:42,452 --> 00:57:47,160 This is about economic and social control. 851 00:57:48,828 --> 00:57:51,566 And the only thing you're really protecting 852 00:57:51,567 --> 00:57:53,868 is the supremacy of your government. 853 00:58:03,036 --> 00:58:06,288 Did you think about going to journalists then? 854 00:58:06,452 --> 00:58:10,368 No, that wouldn't have occurred to me back then. 855 00:58:10,536 --> 00:58:15,328 I thought that the system will self correct. 856 00:58:15,496 --> 00:58:19,328 The President will keep the promise that got him elected. 857 00:58:20,704 --> 00:58:24,244 That's actually when I started reading about you and your films. 858 00:58:24,412 --> 00:58:26,631 It was in Glenn's blog, you were being 859 00:58:26,632 --> 00:58:28,452 detained in airports for hours? 860 00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:32,580 37 times. Investigating your own country's wars. 861 00:58:32,744 --> 00:58:36,160 That's why I'm going back to Berlin to edit. 862 00:58:36,328 --> 00:58:39,452 - You can trust me with this. - I do. 863 00:58:40,912 --> 00:58:45,120 I haven't trusted anyone in years. 864 00:58:48,244 --> 00:58:53,452 It was a welcome change when they put me on terrorism watch duty. 865 00:58:54,368 --> 00:58:58,204 Every day I'd go in and I'd get starting points for SIGINT. 866 00:58:58,368 --> 00:59:00,828 Signals intelligence. 867 00:59:02,036 --> 00:59:05,580 A lot of them were American, which felt strange 868 00:59:05,744 --> 00:59:08,036 but you just keep reminding yourself 869 00:59:08,204 --> 00:59:12,080 I could stop a dirty bomb attack and save thousands of lives. 870 00:59:12,704 --> 00:59:15,511 Thing is, you're not just following your bad guy 871 00:59:15,512 --> 00:59:18,204 targets, you're also following their metadata. 872 00:59:18,368 --> 00:59:20,608 Which is basically, all the phone 873 00:59:20,609 --> 00:59:23,120 numbers that they're in touch with. 874 00:59:23,288 --> 00:59:26,797 Let's say your target is a shady Iranian 875 00:59:26,798 --> 00:59:29,536 banker operating out of Beirut. 876 00:59:29,704 --> 00:59:32,230 Okay, so, you're watching his stuff, but you're 877 00:59:32,231 --> 00:59:34,704 also watching all the people that he talks to. 878 00:59:34,868 --> 00:59:37,401 Including, you know, his cousin who's 879 00:59:37,402 --> 00:59:39,868 just some dentist living in Buffalo. 880 00:59:40,036 --> 00:59:43,368 And then you've gotta watch all of that guy's contacts. 881 00:59:43,536 --> 00:59:46,016 And by the time you go a third hop out from the 882 00:59:46,017 --> 00:59:48,496 original target, you're watching this bartender 883 00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:51,996 chat with her mother about Botox. 884 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,496 Because three hops from anyone with, say, 40 contacts... 885 00:59:56,660 --> 01:00:00,328 you're looking at a list of 2.5 million people. 886 01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:05,806 And there's that moment when you're sitting 887 01:00:05,807 --> 01:00:08,412 there and the scale of it hits you. 888 01:00:08,580 --> 01:00:12,828 The NSA is really tracking every cell phone in the world. 889 01:00:12,996 --> 01:00:15,048 No matter who you are, every day of 890 01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:17,328 your life, you're sitting in a database 891 01:00:17,496 --> 01:00:20,580 just ready to be looked at. 892 01:00:20,744 --> 01:00:22,912 I AGREE TO THE TERMS OF SERVICE AND THE PRIVACY POLICY 893 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,204 Not just terrorists or countries or corporations. 894 01:00:35,368 --> 01:00:37,160 But you. 895 01:00:45,328 --> 01:00:47,704 Was Lindsay with you in Japan? 896 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,452 Japan was difficult for us. 897 01:00:55,412 --> 01:00:57,818 I guess you couldn't talk about your work. 898 01:00:57,819 --> 01:00:58,819 No. 899 01:01:00,952 --> 01:01:03,828 There was this one night, 900 01:01:03,996 --> 01:01:08,620 towards the end, we were supposed to go climb Mt. Fuji the next day. 901 01:01:19,452 --> 01:01:22,371 Wow. Are you gonna post that on Twitter? 902 01:01:22,372 --> 01:01:24,204 No. They're just for me. 903 01:01:25,288 --> 01:01:30,160 - What do you think? - You should delete those. 904 01:01:30,328 --> 01:01:33,452 It's not quite the artistic critique I was going for. 905 01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:35,781 I'm sorry, you just... you can't have 906 01:01:35,782 --> 01:01:37,828 stuff like that on your hard drive. 907 01:01:37,996 --> 01:01:39,006 Yes I can. 908 01:01:39,007 --> 01:01:42,036 Can you just please, I'm asking you, can you delete them? 909 01:01:42,868 --> 01:01:46,036 - Russian hackers again? - No. 910 01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:49,328 Is it us? 911 01:01:52,036 --> 01:01:55,580 - It's classified. - Am I a target? 912 01:01:55,744 --> 01:01:56,921 Of course not. 913 01:01:56,922 --> 01:02:00,452 Clearly someone is looking at my nude portraits. 914 01:02:00,912 --> 01:02:02,871 Okay, I shouldn't have brought it up. 915 01:02:02,872 --> 01:02:05,036 Alright, it's skews of national security. 916 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,518 Well, I am flattered that my boobs 917 01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:10,082 are considered an issue of national 918 01:02:10,083 --> 01:02:12,704 security, but you're gonna have to do a lot better than that. 919 01:02:12,868 --> 01:02:15,952 I'd rather not talk about stuff that could land us in jail. 920 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,665 So that's what the band-aids are 921 01:02:17,666 --> 01:02:19,452 about then? And your camera phobia. 922 01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:23,328 Because of work? Are they watching us? 923 01:02:23,496 --> 01:02:24,814 Who are they watching? 924 01:02:24,815 --> 01:02:27,120 No one, okay. Let's just stop talking. 925 01:02:28,412 --> 01:02:31,778 Let's go to bed, and wake up in the morning, 926 01:02:31,779 --> 01:02:34,620 go climb this fucking mountain. Okay? 927 01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:38,082 Of course we're not gonna talk about it. 928 01:02:38,083 --> 01:02:39,204 What is that supposed to mean? 929 01:02:39,368 --> 01:02:42,244 It means that we don't talk about anything any more. 930 01:02:42,412 --> 01:02:45,412 You work 12 hour days, you come home depressed. 931 01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:48,080 You play fucking video games and then you fall asleep. 932 01:02:48,244 --> 01:02:50,489 Yeah, I'm tired because I have a job, that's what pays for 933 01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:52,620 this apartment in the most expensive city in the world. 934 01:02:52,788 --> 01:02:54,842 Which you asked me to come to, knowing 935 01:02:54,843 --> 01:02:56,580 that I did not have a work visa. 936 01:02:56,744 --> 01:02:59,492 Okay, what if you had one, would you really give up your beautiful 937 01:02:59,493 --> 01:03:01,788 life of eating and sleeping and going out all the time? 938 01:03:01,952 --> 01:03:03,725 You think you'd really want a career? 939 01:03:03,726 --> 01:03:04,744 A career like yours? 940 01:03:04,912 --> 01:03:07,160 Where I'm miserable all the time? No. 941 01:03:07,328 --> 01:03:10,620 That's called responsibility. 942 01:03:10,788 --> 01:03:12,452 Fuck this. 943 01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:14,753 You know what? You have no idea what it's like 944 01:03:14,754 --> 01:03:16,704 to be accountable for other people's lives. 945 01:03:16,868 --> 01:03:19,291 Because you live in a fairytale land where just, 946 01:03:19,292 --> 01:03:21,912 there are no consequences and no one ever gets hurt. 947 01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:29,912 No. No you, you don't get hurt. 948 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,400 I get fucking crushed. 949 01:03:32,401 --> 01:03:34,828 Fucking bullshit, I've done nothing to you. 950 01:03:34,996 --> 01:03:37,328 That's exactly right, you've done nothing. 951 01:03:37,496 --> 01:03:40,452 You don't hang out with me. You don't laugh with me. 952 01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:43,120 You don't even fucking touch me any more. 953 01:03:45,204 --> 01:03:47,952 - Sorry. - Stop. No. 954 01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,578 We never made it to Mount Fuji. 955 01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:08,204 Lindsay left pretty soon after that. 956 01:04:10,952 --> 01:04:13,970 I was very lonely there. After three months, 957 01:04:13,971 --> 01:04:16,452 I left too, I went back to Maryland. 958 01:04:44,328 --> 01:04:48,912 I promised her I'd change, and we moved back in together. 959 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,305 Make sure your knees stay bent, and then you 960 01:04:51,306 --> 01:04:53,580 can fully extend once you feel stable. Ready? 961 01:04:53,744 --> 01:04:58,620 1, 2, 3. All the way up. And you wanna clench between your knees. 962 01:04:58,788 --> 01:05:02,244 It'll burn, but it's a good burn. Perfect. 963 01:05:02,412 --> 01:05:04,496 Twirl around. 964 01:05:05,496 --> 01:05:07,912 Perfect. Oh my god, I'm so proud of you. 965 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,612 When you're really happy, there's a large 966 01:05:10,613 --> 01:05:13,204 part of you that just wants to stay happy. 967 01:05:17,288 --> 01:05:21,244 You start to think: What can be more important than this? 968 01:05:21,412 --> 01:05:25,912 What? Oh my god, it's so beautiful. 969 01:05:27,288 --> 01:05:31,204 You know, lots of people cruise happily through life. 970 01:05:32,704 --> 01:05:35,204 Why can't I? 971 01:05:35,368 --> 01:05:38,288 A MAN'S USEFULNESS DEPENDS UPON HIS LMNG UP TO HIS IDEALS 972 01:05:43,412 --> 01:05:45,620 I went back to work for the CIA. 973 01:05:46,744 --> 01:05:50,244 My official title was solutions consultant. 974 01:05:50,412 --> 01:05:53,788 Basically I was hawking overpriced hardware for a living. 975 01:05:53,952 --> 01:05:55,899 But I thought you'd resigned. 976 01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:58,536 It was all contract work after Geneva. 977 01:05:58,704 --> 01:06:02,331 You know, it's Booz Allen Hamilton or Dell 978 01:06:02,332 --> 01:06:05,536 in partnership with CIA, or NSA, DIA. 979 01:06:06,580 --> 01:06:10,704 It's the intelligence community's revolving door. 980 01:06:11,952 --> 01:06:14,868 How was it, being back in the States? 981 01:06:15,036 --> 01:06:16,744 It was... 982 01:06:16,912 --> 01:06:19,452 It was really good to be home. 983 01:06:20,536 --> 01:06:24,412 But Maryland was where things started to turn for me. 984 01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:28,738 Every time I felt like I was finally letting go of all the 985 01:06:28,739 --> 01:06:32,120 anxiety and all the questions that used to keep me up at night, 986 01:06:32,288 --> 01:06:36,912 I'd learn something else and I just couldn't ignore it. 987 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,359 Like, there were these three high-level officials 988 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,704 at the NSA. Bill Binney, Ed Loomis and Kirk Wiebe. 989 01:06:43,868 --> 01:06:45,789 They'd been filing complaints about 990 01:06:45,790 --> 01:06:47,496 abuses and overreach for years. 991 01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:51,868 That's all they did, they just filed complaints. 992 01:06:52,036 --> 01:06:54,952 And the FBI raided their homes. 993 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,912 And then there was Thomas Drake. Like the other three guys, 994 01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,120 Drake was trying to change things from the inside. 995 01:07:01,288 --> 01:07:03,912 But when nothing worked, he did go to the press. 996 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,630 So they hit him with espionage act and we 997 01:07:06,631 --> 01:07:09,120 were shocked. The whole intel community. 998 01:07:09,288 --> 01:07:11,128 Why do you think you were charged? 999 01:07:11,129 --> 01:07:12,620 To send a chilling message. 1000 01:07:12,788 --> 01:07:13,788 To whom? 1001 01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:16,452 To other whistle-blowers. To others in the government. 1002 01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:21,120 No to speak out. Do not tell truth to power. 1003 01:07:21,288 --> 01:07:23,368 We'll hammer you. 1004 01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:27,270 There's a new program being developed 1005 01:07:27,271 --> 01:07:29,536 at the NSA's ops centre on Oahu. 1006 01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:34,288 You'd be going up against Chinese cyber divisions. 1007 01:07:35,704 --> 01:07:37,704 You interested? 1008 01:07:39,288 --> 01:07:41,660 Won't be the vast sums of money you're making now, 1009 01:07:41,828 --> 01:07:44,275 but you'll be performing a critical service for 1010 01:07:44,276 --> 01:07:46,620 your country, I know that's important to you. 1011 01:07:46,788 --> 01:07:50,204 - You mean service like in Geneva? - That was a mistake. 1012 01:07:50,368 --> 01:07:52,111 Shouldn't have pushed you into that. 1013 01:07:52,112 --> 01:07:53,452 You didn't push me into it. 1014 01:07:53,620 --> 01:07:55,647 I asked for exposure to field ops, you gave 1015 01:07:55,648 --> 01:07:57,536 it to me. I don't hold that against you. 1016 01:07:58,788 --> 01:08:01,744 Is there something you do hold against me? 1017 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,956 You didn't tell me we were running a 1018 01:08:06,957 --> 01:08:08,704 Dragnet on the whole world, Corbin. 1019 01:08:32,704 --> 01:08:35,160 - Great shooting, Ed. - Thank you. 1020 01:08:35,996 --> 01:08:37,828 That's terrific. 1021 01:08:37,996 --> 01:08:41,204 So, one thing in the Army I was good at. 1022 01:08:46,368 --> 01:08:48,840 You ever think, Ed, since the Second 1023 01:08:48,841 --> 01:08:50,912 World War, it's been 60 years, 1024 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,080 and still no WW3. 1025 01:08:54,244 --> 01:08:56,618 Why? Because we use our power, 1026 01:08:56,619 --> 01:08:59,704 generally, for the good of the world. 1027 01:09:00,744 --> 01:09:03,536 For prosperity. Order. 1028 01:09:03,704 --> 01:09:05,851 How can we defend ourselves against 1029 01:09:05,852 --> 01:09:07,580 nuclear war, terror attacks, 1030 01:09:07,744 --> 01:09:10,271 cyber attacks without a centralised intel 1031 01:09:10,272 --> 01:09:13,160 factory working around the world night and day? 1032 01:09:13,328 --> 01:09:16,788 So we should catalogue billions of people's lives? 1033 01:09:16,952 --> 01:09:18,787 Most people already catalogue their 1034 01:09:18,788 --> 01:09:20,368 lives with public consumption. 1035 01:09:20,536 --> 01:09:23,262 Well, they catalogue part of their lives, and they do it by choice. 1036 01:09:23,263 --> 01:09:25,828 We're not giving them the choice. We're just taking everything. 1037 01:09:25,996 --> 01:09:30,412 Most Americans don't want freedom. They want security. 1038 01:09:30,580 --> 01:09:34,328 It's a simple bargain, if... Good girl. Good girl. 1039 01:09:34,496 --> 01:09:38,288 If you want to play with all the new toys and be safe 1040 01:09:38,452 --> 01:09:41,244 you pay the price of admission. 1041 01:09:41,412 --> 01:09:45,952 But the people, they don't even know they've made that bargain. 1042 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,160 Where's the battlefield, soldier? 1043 01:09:50,288 --> 01:09:53,496 - Everywhere. - What's the first rule of battle? 1044 01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:56,288 Never reveal your position. 1045 01:09:56,452 --> 01:10:01,496 And if one unauthorised person knew? If Congress knew? 1046 01:10:01,660 --> 01:10:03,258 So would the enemy. 1047 01:10:03,259 --> 01:10:06,912 That, Mr Snowden, is the state of the world. 1048 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,120 Secrecy is security, and security is victory. 1049 01:10:19,036 --> 01:10:20,620 Thank you, sir. 1050 01:10:22,036 --> 01:10:24,368 Someone I want you to meet. 1051 01:10:25,244 --> 01:10:29,368 - Mr Lowell. - Jim. How are you? 1052 01:10:29,536 --> 01:10:32,744 Dorian. Allan. Welcome to the US. 1053 01:10:32,912 --> 01:10:35,016 How'd you make out today, Corbin? 1054 01:10:35,017 --> 01:10:36,244 Aw, very mediocre. 1055 01:10:36,412 --> 01:10:38,368 Nothing like Ed here. 1056 01:10:38,536 --> 01:10:41,506 Apparently, the Army's training people to shoot straight. 1057 01:10:41,507 --> 01:10:42,744 So this is Ed Snowden. 1058 01:10:42,912 --> 01:10:46,160 - Sir, a pleasure to meet you. - The brains behind Epic Shelter. 1059 01:10:46,328 --> 01:10:48,412 - It's brilliant work. - Thank you, sir. 1060 01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:50,422 Yeah, I had a few questions I wanted to ask you. 1061 01:10:50,423 --> 01:10:51,423 Jim... 1062 01:10:51,424 --> 01:10:53,735 Will you excuse me gentlemen? Excuse me. 1063 01:10:53,736 --> 01:10:54,912 Nice to meet you. 1064 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,080 Yeah, it's proving very useful for our UAV program. 1065 01:10:59,244 --> 01:11:02,952 Yes, I heard. With foreign site intel transfer. 1066 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,945 The transfers happen on collection now. 1067 01:11:04,947 --> 01:11:06,497 They go straight to the Pentagon, 1068 01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:08,661 Mossad, if they need it; actionable 1069 01:11:08,662 --> 01:11:10,496 immediately now, no one sees it. 1070 01:11:10,660 --> 01:11:12,549 It's improved the response time of 1071 01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:14,660 our drone pilots by a factor of ten. 1072 01:11:14,828 --> 01:11:18,110 Tell me, you worked signals intelligence in Japan too, yes? 1073 01:11:18,111 --> 01:11:19,204 Yes, sir. 1074 01:11:19,368 --> 01:11:21,036 How'd you like it? 1075 01:11:21,037 --> 01:11:24,204 It was a very empowering job, sir. 1076 01:11:24,368 --> 01:11:28,912 With this new job in Hawaii, there'd be even more access. 1077 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,036 I asked Corbin to start the 1078 01:11:31,037 --> 01:11:33,788 conversation, but the offer is mine. 1079 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,596 Take your time. It's gonna take a few 1080 01:11:37,597 --> 01:11:40,160 months to get this program on its feet. 1081 01:11:40,328 --> 01:11:43,952 You'll excuse me, gentlemen? I see dinner. 1082 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,952 - Sir, for you? - No thank you. 1083 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,328 Epic Shelter was meant as a backup program. 1084 01:11:57,496 --> 01:12:00,496 Lowell's creating this position for you, Ed. 1085 01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:03,220 You'll be the first contractor outside 1086 01:12:03,221 --> 01:12:05,452 Fort Meade working counter cyber. 1087 01:12:06,412 --> 01:12:08,620 It's your ticket to the top. 1088 01:12:19,744 --> 01:12:21,498 Do you believe the United States is 1089 01:12:21,499 --> 01:12:23,204 the greatest country in the world? 1090 01:12:23,368 --> 01:12:25,244 Yes. 1091 01:12:26,288 --> 01:12:30,536 Have you used any programs you were unauthorised for? 1092 01:12:36,288 --> 01:12:37,580 No. 1093 01:12:49,896 --> 01:12:52,896 We're not usually supposed to submit our own work, 1094 01:12:53,064 --> 01:12:56,232 but my editor said she'd make an exception. 1095 01:12:56,396 --> 01:12:58,148 Pretty neat, huh? 1096 01:13:02,896 --> 01:13:05,480 I could just submit an entry. 1097 01:13:07,896 --> 01:13:10,688 You ignoring me on purpose or what? 1098 01:13:10,856 --> 01:13:13,064 No, sorry. 1099 01:13:14,312 --> 01:13:17,024 - I was just thinking. - About what? 1100 01:13:22,604 --> 01:13:24,868 I wonder if... talk to you about it at 1101 01:13:24,869 --> 01:13:27,480 dinner, but let's just, wanna come sit down? 1102 01:13:28,812 --> 01:13:31,732 - Is everything okay? - Yeah. 1103 01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:38,648 The, the Deputy Director of the NSA 1104 01:13:40,188 --> 01:13:42,648 he offered me a new position. 1105 01:13:42,812 --> 01:13:46,480 And that was a while back, and now they need an answer. 1106 01:13:46,648 --> 01:13:49,440 Well, is it something you want to do? 1107 01:13:50,564 --> 01:13:53,272 I'd be good at it. 1108 01:13:54,312 --> 01:13:56,940 Can you tell me anything about it? 1109 01:13:57,104 --> 01:14:01,688 - You know, I can't. - I know. Mission first. 1110 01:14:03,524 --> 01:14:06,604 Are there social perks? White House galas, maybe? 1111 01:14:06,772 --> 01:14:10,812 The position is in Hawaii. 1112 01:14:18,648 --> 01:14:22,564 We worked really hard to get where we're at. 1113 01:14:22,732 --> 01:14:26,148 And you're willing to just rip it all up, aye? 1114 01:14:26,312 --> 01:14:29,440 We finally have house that we love and a job that I like, 1115 01:14:29,604 --> 01:14:32,524 And real friends, and we're close to our families. 1116 01:14:32,688 --> 01:14:34,738 I know. I understand. And if you want 1117 01:14:34,739 --> 01:14:36,896 to stay, then we're staying. That's it. 1118 01:14:37,064 --> 01:14:40,024 Don't just say that because I wanna hear it. 1119 01:14:40,188 --> 01:14:42,356 I'm not. 1120 01:14:45,232 --> 01:14:49,104 I let you go once. I'm not gonna do it again. 1121 01:14:55,272 --> 01:14:58,896 Shit, I'm sorry. The pasta. One second. 1122 01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:13,896 You know, I actually think I came pretty close to getting I 1123 01:15:14,064 --> 01:15:16,940 I'm gonna get some candles. 1124 01:15:54,524 --> 01:15:56,896 Ed. Ed? 1125 01:16:14,524 --> 01:16:18,940 I know Tegretol. Know it slows you down. I've seen it with my Mo. 1126 01:16:19,104 --> 01:16:22,024 She's taken all kinds of medications her whole life. 1127 01:16:22,188 --> 01:16:25,148 Well, they work in 70% of cases. 1128 01:16:27,272 --> 01:16:31,940 Ed, epilepsy is a serious condition. If you have a seizure 1129 01:16:32,104 --> 01:16:35,980 driving yourself or with someone else in the car 1130 01:16:36,148 --> 01:16:39,312 or you're in a place where you could fall... 1131 01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:41,985 This is not something to be lightly regarded. It's 1132 01:16:41,986 --> 01:16:44,440 essential you commit yourself to this medication. 1133 01:16:47,524 --> 01:16:49,188 Okay? 1134 01:16:50,564 --> 01:16:52,148 Yeah. 1135 01:16:57,524 --> 01:16:59,024 Oh, thank you. 1136 01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:06,926 I've been thinking about what the doctor said. About less stress. 1137 01:17:09,634 --> 01:17:12,382 A warmer climate could help. 1138 01:17:16,342 --> 01:17:20,426 If Hawaii is something that we decide would be better for you, 1139 01:17:21,674 --> 01:17:24,050 I'll go. 1140 01:17:38,426 --> 01:17:39,634 HONG KONG Wednesday - June 5, 2013 1141 01:17:39,802 --> 01:17:42,634 Janine, how did the White House conversation go? 1142 01:17:42,802 --> 01:17:44,479 I made it quite clear that we were in 1143 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,466 possession of an authentic FISA court order. 1144 01:17:46,856 --> 01:17:49,324 They wanted to see it; we refused. Now I 1145 01:17:49,325 --> 01:17:51,732 just pray that it's actually authentic. 1146 01:17:53,232 --> 01:17:55,451 Are you actually questioning that? 1147 01:17:55,452 --> 01:17:59,648 No one has ever seen a FISA court order. There's no precedent here. 1148 01:17:59,812 --> 01:18:02,648 Our source risked his life for that document. It's real. 1149 01:18:02,812 --> 01:18:05,338 Tell us, did the White House make any 1150 01:18:05,339 --> 01:18:08,064 specific claims about national security, 1151 01:18:08,232 --> 01:18:11,024 that would prevent you from publishing? 1152 01:18:11,188 --> 01:18:16,188 No. I asked them repeatedly. And they had no substantive answer. 1153 01:18:16,356 --> 01:18:17,961 Then there you go. What more do you want? 1154 01:18:17,962 --> 01:18:19,604 You can go out, and know that you're safe. 1155 01:18:19,772 --> 01:18:23,480 Glenn, I'd like to talk to Alan before we go any further. 1156 01:18:23,648 --> 01:18:26,148 - When does he land? - In six hours. 1157 01:18:26,312 --> 01:18:28,571 No. Absolutely not. We're sitting ducks 1158 01:18:28,572 --> 01:18:30,604 here, Janine. It's 1pm in New York. 1159 01:18:30,772 --> 01:18:32,664 If you don't get this out in the next four hours, 1160 01:18:32,665 --> 01:18:34,480 you'll miss the evening news on the East Coast. 1161 01:18:34,648 --> 01:18:38,188 But we can post later tonight. 1162 01:18:38,356 --> 01:18:41,480 I'm sorry Glenn, but Alan's our editor in chief and I... 1163 01:18:41,648 --> 01:18:44,648 Bullshit, the government knows that we have these documents now. 1164 01:18:44,812 --> 01:18:46,938 The CIA could barge through this door 1165 01:18:46,939 --> 01:18:48,896 any minute and you want more time. 1166 01:18:49,064 --> 01:18:51,980 Act like a fucking journalist and stop stringing us along. 1167 01:18:52,148 --> 01:18:55,064 I just stood my ground with the goddamn White House. 1168 01:18:55,232 --> 01:18:56,872 I've risked my career. How dare you 1169 01:18:56,873 --> 01:18:58,604 question my commitment to this story? 1170 01:18:58,772 --> 01:18:59,878 Okay, let's just keep on... 1171 01:18:59,879 --> 01:19:01,480 No, you're right, I am questioning it. 1172 01:19:01,648 --> 01:19:03,896 This is absolutely inappropriate. 1173 01:19:04,064 --> 01:19:07,104 We are publishing ourselves. You're out. 1174 01:19:17,232 --> 01:19:20,732 Alright, Glenn. We'll have it ready by 4pm. 1175 01:19:20,896 --> 01:19:23,365 I have to go over the story once more. 1176 01:19:23,366 --> 01:19:24,366 Why? 1177 01:19:24,367 --> 01:19:27,024 Because it still needs editing, damn you. 1178 01:19:27,188 --> 01:19:30,064 All this fucking intelligence jargon is hurting our brains. 1179 01:19:30,232 --> 01:19:33,094 This PRISM story is still incomprehensible. 1180 01:19:33,095 --> 01:19:35,396 PRISM is the second story, Janine. 1181 01:19:35,564 --> 01:19:37,684 Verizon is the first story. Have it 1182 01:19:37,685 --> 01:19:39,980 ready to post by 4pm, 5 at the latest. 1183 01:19:41,104 --> 01:19:44,648 No games, or we're gone. 1184 01:20:01,604 --> 01:20:06,148 'THE TUNNEL' NSA OPS. CENTRE OAHU, HAWAII, 2012 1185 01:20:07,564 --> 01:20:11,356 So my new job was counter-spying on the Chinese 1186 01:20:11,524 --> 01:20:15,396 at the NSA regional cryptological centre on Oahu. 1187 01:20:17,980 --> 01:20:20,396 You mind placing your bag down there, sir? 1188 01:20:21,356 --> 01:20:24,772 No personal laptops, no USB sticks, no cell phones, 1189 01:20:24,940 --> 01:20:27,469 No electronic devices of any kind? 1190 01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:28,470 No, sir. 1191 01:20:41,024 --> 01:20:42,440 Thank you. 1192 01:20:46,148 --> 01:20:49,688 Snow White, is that you? 1193 01:20:51,032 --> 01:20:52,032 Gabriel? 1194 01:20:52,033 --> 01:20:54,148 Dude, what the hell are you doing here? 1195 01:20:54,312 --> 01:20:56,312 Wow, this is amazing. 1196 01:20:57,148 --> 01:20:58,809 What, do you work here? 1197 01:20:58,810 --> 01:21:02,396 Yeah, yeah. Three years, two months and five days. 1198 01:21:03,564 --> 01:21:05,856 But who's counting, right? 1199 01:21:06,024 --> 01:21:08,772 It's like, who knew that a secret underground World War 2 air base 1200 01:21:08,940 --> 01:21:11,823 would become munchy heaven for a thousand geeks. 1201 01:21:11,824 --> 01:21:12,824 So there's good pizza? 1202 01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:14,304 Good pizza, yeah, it's important. The 1203 01:21:14,305 --> 01:21:15,524 elevator's slow as shit, though. 1204 01:21:16,524 --> 01:21:19,104 - Jesus. - It's something else, huh? 1205 01:21:20,232 --> 01:21:23,913 So, what deck are you working on? 1206 01:21:23,914 --> 01:21:25,856 You NTOC or ROC? 1207 01:21:28,648 --> 01:21:31,604 Between you and me? NTOC. 1208 01:21:31,772 --> 01:21:34,980 Cool. You get to hack the hackers. You're coming up in the world. 1209 01:21:45,188 --> 01:21:47,232 Fresh brains for you, Trevor. 1210 01:21:47,396 --> 01:21:49,940 Trevor James, Interactive Ops, Division Chief. 1211 01:21:50,104 --> 01:21:52,188 - Ed Snowden. - I've been briefed. 1212 01:21:52,356 --> 01:21:56,940 Next door's NTOC. Defence. That's where you'll be working. 1213 01:21:57,104 --> 01:21:59,940 Over here we have ROC, our offence. 1214 01:22:00,104 --> 01:22:03,542 Now, I move between the two. We run a tight ship here, Snowden. 1215 01:22:03,543 --> 01:22:04,688 Yes, sir. 1216 01:22:04,856 --> 01:22:06,555 You'll be working with Haynes. 1217 01:22:06,556 --> 01:22:08,732 Patrick Haynes. Good to you have you. 1218 01:22:08,896 --> 01:22:10,573 You watch out for him. The smartest 1219 01:22:10,574 --> 01:22:12,064 guy in the building right here. 1220 01:22:12,232 --> 01:22:14,980 Bro, how many languages do you speak again? 1221 01:22:15,148 --> 01:22:19,104 Seven in Code, six spoken, two sign language. 1222 01:22:19,272 --> 01:22:22,272 I some American Sign Language. 1223 01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,312 That's awesome. 1224 01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,148 Great. Another language I can't understand. 1225 01:22:27,149 --> 01:22:28,772 I'll check you later, Ed. 1226 01:22:33,896 --> 01:22:35,772 Wait for it. 1227 01:22:37,064 --> 01:22:39,356 Any moment. 1228 01:22:42,980 --> 01:22:45,518 Lights over Waziristan, gentlemen. 1229 01:22:45,519 --> 01:22:48,604 So, what exactly do we contribute to this? 1230 01:22:48,772 --> 01:22:52,064 The underside of that Reaper drone is fixed with a big ass antenna. 1231 01:22:52,232 --> 01:22:55,312 Snarfing the hardware ID of anything that broadcasts. 1232 01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:58,056 We, then geo locate 'em. My friend Tasha here with 1233 01:22:58,057 --> 01:23:00,480 the Air Force rains hellfire. There she is now. 1234 01:23:00,648 --> 01:23:03,940 - Hey, Trev. You liking the show? - You know it. 1235 01:23:04,104 --> 01:23:07,564 - We track 'em, you whack 'em. - And who did we just track? 1236 01:23:07,732 --> 01:23:10,339 Not who, what. We're targeting bad guys' 1237 01:23:10,340 --> 01:23:12,564 cell phones. Sometimes a SIM card. 1238 01:23:12,732 --> 01:23:15,437 Okay. And how do we know the bad guy is 1239 01:23:15,438 --> 01:23:17,940 in possession of the bad cell phone? 1240 01:23:18,104 --> 01:23:19,240 We don't. 1241 01:23:19,241 --> 01:23:22,648 Of course we do. JSOC and CIA have their people in the field. 1242 01:23:23,940 --> 01:23:25,980 What's the program name? 1243 01:23:26,148 --> 01:23:30,440 Epic Shelter. It was originally some backup program for... 1244 01:23:31,896 --> 01:23:35,896 - Catastrophic site failure. - Yeah. How did you know that? 1245 01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:38,605 - I built it. - You? 1246 01:23:38,607 --> 01:23:41,288 Yeah, you know actually, I've been thinking 1247 01:23:41,289 --> 01:23:43,481 about another use for Epic Shelter. 1248 01:23:44,772 --> 01:23:46,440 What'd you have in mind? 1249 01:23:46,604 --> 01:23:47,983 Well, I was chatting with Jim Lowell 1250 01:23:47,984 --> 01:23:49,511 about how there were so many programs... 1251 01:23:49,512 --> 01:23:50,512 Deputy Director Lowell? 1252 01:23:50,648 --> 01:23:53,630 Yeah, yeah. And we were saying there are so many programs 1253 01:23:53,631 --> 01:23:57,024 nowadays, it's kind of impossible to keep track of them any more. 1254 01:23:57,188 --> 01:24:00,104 Right? So why create a centralised database? 1255 01:24:00,272 --> 01:24:01,272 Ah, like an index? 1256 01:24:01,273 --> 01:24:03,856 Yeah, exactly. Something that updates in real time. 1257 01:24:04,024 --> 01:24:07,396 We've already got Epic Shelter collecting our finished intel. 1258 01:24:07,564 --> 01:24:10,856 We just need a web portal to catalogue it. 1259 01:24:11,024 --> 01:24:14,272 - Make it searchable. - Let me think about it. 1260 01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,866 In any case, I'd have to run it past Fort Meade. 1261 01:24:16,868 --> 01:24:18,649 - Of course. - Did you have a name? 1262 01:24:18,812 --> 01:24:22,480 Yeah, if it's not taken, I'd call it Heartbeat. 1263 01:24:24,104 --> 01:24:25,648 Heartbeat. 1264 01:24:25,812 --> 01:24:30,272 Five, four, three, two, one. 1265 01:24:30,856 --> 01:24:32,980 Engage target. 1266 01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:50,232 - You okay down there? - Yep. 1267 01:24:51,524 --> 01:24:55,024 This is why I keep saying we need to hike more. 1268 01:24:55,188 --> 01:24:57,440 - You're right. - Hey, can you look at me? 1269 01:24:59,772 --> 01:25:02,188 Come on. It's been years. 1270 01:25:02,356 --> 01:25:05,772 By social media standards, you don't even exist any more. 1271 01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:10,732 Just one. Smile. Show me your teeth. 1272 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,604 My elusive E. Finally captured. 1273 01:25:15,772 --> 01:25:18,688 - So now I'm a viable boyfriend? - Yes. 1274 01:25:20,812 --> 01:25:23,856 Such a shame. You used to be such a cute little model. 1275 01:25:23,997 --> 01:25:24,997 - Little? - Yeah. 1276 01:25:24,998 --> 01:25:26,941 - Oh, I was little? - Wait. 1277 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:31,148 Stop. 1278 01:25:32,648 --> 01:25:36,356 Oh my God. I think you've got some sun. 1279 01:25:36,524 --> 01:25:41,272 - I'm serious. It looks good. - Oh, that's impossible. 1280 01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:44,008 Hey, I've been meaning to ask you, by 1281 01:25:44,009 --> 01:25:46,440 the way, did you switch pharmacies? 1282 01:25:47,564 --> 01:25:50,104 Because, I tried to pick up your prescription 1283 01:25:50,272 --> 01:25:55,104 and I couldn't. Why did you do it? 1284 01:25:57,232 --> 01:26:01,396 Because I was there and thought it would be helpful. 1285 01:26:13,648 --> 01:26:16,272 I stopped taking the Tegretol. 1286 01:26:17,732 --> 01:26:21,604 - What? When? - Couple months ago. 1287 01:26:21,772 --> 01:26:26,148 - And you're just now telling me? - I wanted to tell you. 1288 01:26:26,312 --> 01:26:28,812 I just... I can't take that stuff. It makes me groggy. 1289 01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:30,790 And I need to be sharp for work. I 1290 01:26:30,791 --> 01:26:32,812 need to be on the ball all the time. 1291 01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:34,688 What is it about this fucking job that 1292 01:26:34,689 --> 01:26:36,440 makes it more important than your life? 1293 01:26:38,024 --> 01:26:41,104 - I don't understand. - Our government... 1294 01:26:43,188 --> 01:26:44,940 Our government, what? 1295 01:26:45,104 --> 01:26:48,067 Our government is haemorrhaging billions of 1296 01:26:48,068 --> 01:26:50,896 of dollars every year to Chinese hackers. 1297 01:26:51,064 --> 01:26:54,524 And I've been hired to shut them down. 1298 01:26:55,564 --> 01:26:59,604 A lot of people are depending on me. 1299 01:27:00,396 --> 01:27:02,940 More so than anyone else? 1300 01:27:04,188 --> 01:27:05,480 Yes. 1301 01:27:08,188 --> 01:27:11,940 No, this... this is bullshit. 1302 01:27:15,188 --> 01:27:19,564 Didn't come to Hawaii for you to heal, did we? 1303 01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,856 There's never going to be a less stressful job out there. 1304 01:27:24,024 --> 01:27:28,104 I feel like I'm made to do this, and if I don't do it, then 1305 01:27:28,272 --> 01:27:31,980 I don't know anybody else that can. 1306 01:27:33,024 --> 01:27:35,663 It's like I'm on a trajectory 1307 01:27:35,664 --> 01:27:37,732 that I can't turn back from. 1308 01:27:41,104 --> 01:27:43,480 You can always turn back. 1309 01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,418 What I wanted to see is if you could 1310 01:27:49,419 --> 01:27:51,356 give me a yes or no answer to the question, 1311 01:27:51,524 --> 01:27:56,104 Does the NSA collect any type of data at all 1312 01:27:56,272 --> 01:28:00,856 on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? 1313 01:28:01,024 --> 01:28:04,272 - No, sir. - It does not? 1314 01:28:05,396 --> 01:28:07,480 Not wittingly. 1315 01:28:07,648 --> 01:28:12,064 There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps collect, 1316 01:28:12,232 --> 01:28:15,148 - but not... not wittingly. - Oh, really? 1317 01:28:15,312 --> 01:28:17,213 Thank you. I'll have additional questions 1318 01:28:17,214 --> 01:28:19,024 to give you in writing on that point... 1319 01:28:19,812 --> 01:28:25,396 Okay, so what I wanted to show you guys is this slide I ran across 1320 01:28:25,564 --> 01:28:28,356 while building this indexing program. 1321 01:28:28,524 --> 01:28:29,628 And what is this? 1322 01:28:29,629 --> 01:28:32,940 Ok, so this is data collection for the month of March. 1323 01:28:33,104 --> 01:28:37,104 Worldwide. E-mails and Skype calls. France. 70 million. 1324 01:28:37,272 --> 01:28:39,480 Germany. 500 million. 1325 01:28:39,648 --> 01:28:42,188 Brazil. Two billion. 1326 01:28:42,356 --> 01:28:44,772 Inside the US. 1327 01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:47,490 3.1 billion e-mails and calls. That's not 1328 01:28:47,491 --> 01:28:49,980 including any of the telco company data. 1329 01:28:50,148 --> 01:28:52,564 Okay, so what's the collection in Russia? 1330 01:28:52,732 --> 01:28:56,232 Russia is 1.5 billion. 1331 01:28:56,396 --> 01:28:57,715 Wait, so we're collecting twice as 1332 01:28:57,716 --> 01:28:59,151 much in the US as we are in Russia? 1333 01:28:59,152 --> 01:29:00,812 Yeah, I figured it would be a lot, but... 1334 01:29:00,980 --> 01:29:03,064 This shit is out of hand, man. 1335 01:29:04,396 --> 01:29:06,056 Wait, have you shown this to anyone else? 1336 01:29:06,057 --> 01:29:07,188 No, you guys are the first. 1337 01:29:07,356 --> 01:29:09,493 Yeah, you know I'd be careful about that. 1338 01:29:09,494 --> 01:29:11,732 It could seem like you're rocking the boat. 1339 01:29:11,896 --> 01:29:13,882 Yeah, you're right. I just I needed 1340 01:29:13,883 --> 01:29:15,812 to know if I was the only one that 1341 01:29:15,980 --> 01:29:18,232 thought this was crazy. 1342 01:29:18,396 --> 01:29:19,943 - The fuck's going on? - Hey, Trev. 1343 01:29:19,945 --> 01:29:21,397 What are you doing in here? 1344 01:29:21,564 --> 01:29:23,611 It's nothing. I was just showing them 1345 01:29:23,612 --> 01:29:25,604 this one slide, I needed some input. 1346 01:29:25,772 --> 01:29:28,856 - Why the heat map? - It's my bad, Trev. 1347 01:29:29,024 --> 01:29:30,792 I made a bet with Ed about which country 1348 01:29:30,793 --> 01:29:32,604 we were collecting the most signals from. 1349 01:29:32,772 --> 01:29:36,024 He said Iran and I said Pakistan. 1350 01:29:36,188 --> 01:29:38,980 - Who won? - Ed. 1351 01:29:42,064 --> 01:29:44,356 Yeah, I'm gonna head out. I'll see you guys. 1352 01:29:44,524 --> 01:29:47,312 - You're going down next time. - Yeah, okay. 1353 01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,888 No more bets. And I don't want anyone unauthorised in here again. 1354 01:29:51,956 --> 01:29:53,280 Especially not with Heartbeat. 1355 01:29:53,281 --> 01:29:55,081 You're right. Won't happen again. 1356 01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:10,786 Happy Birthday. 1357 01:30:17,246 --> 01:30:21,118 In Vegas, looking at Afghanistan, so we're working late hours. 1358 01:30:21,286 --> 01:30:24,618 This blurry object comes wandering into the strike zone. 1359 01:30:24,786 --> 01:30:29,246 We all knew that it was a kid. Poof, he's gone. 1360 01:30:30,370 --> 01:30:33,826 Call in for clarification, report came back cold. 1361 01:30:33,994 --> 01:30:36,702 It was a dog. Okay, fine. 1362 01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:40,994 Shift's long. Day and night. 1363 01:30:41,162 --> 01:30:44,326 The same village two, three days later. 1364 01:30:44,494 --> 01:30:48,162 We see the funeral. We knew it was the kid they buried. 1365 01:30:48,326 --> 01:30:51,685 Mums and dads were wailing. And then the order comes down. 1366 01:30:51,687 --> 01:30:52,995 Pretty clear. Hit 'em. 1367 01:30:53,954 --> 01:30:56,662 Poof. 1368 01:30:56,826 --> 01:30:59,910 And they are gone in a cloud of dust. 1369 01:31:03,954 --> 01:31:07,034 I mean all of them. The whole fucking family. 1370 01:31:07,202 --> 01:31:10,994 But the crazy thing is that you come home after work 1371 01:31:11,162 --> 01:31:15,286 kiss the wife and kids, back to work the next day. 1372 01:31:15,454 --> 01:31:20,534 Pretty soon, you know, it just all becomes routine. 1373 01:31:23,326 --> 01:31:26,746 Fuck that. You make it sound criminal, man. 1374 01:31:26,910 --> 01:31:30,746 - It's war, it's a job. - I dunno know, man. 1375 01:31:30,910 --> 01:31:32,541 Think jobs can't be criminal? 1376 01:31:32,542 --> 01:31:35,118 No, not if you're working for the government. 1377 01:31:35,286 --> 01:31:38,246 You ever hear about the Nuremberg trials, Trev? 1378 01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:41,410 - They weren't that long ago. - Yeah. 1379 01:31:41,578 --> 01:31:43,954 And we hung the Nazi big shots, right? 1380 01:31:44,118 --> 01:31:46,224 Yeah. Well, the big shots were the 1381 01:31:46,225 --> 01:31:48,578 first trial, but then the next trial 1382 01:31:48,746 --> 01:31:54,202 were just the judges, and lawyers, and police men, guards. 1383 01:31:54,370 --> 01:31:59,410 Ordinary people just doing their jobs. Following orders. 1384 01:31:59,578 --> 01:32:02,546 That's where we got the Nuremberg principles, 1385 01:32:02,547 --> 01:32:05,578 which then, the UN made into international law 1386 01:32:05,746 --> 01:32:11,034 just in case ordinary jobs become criminal again. 1387 01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:16,202 Just saying. 1388 01:32:42,162 --> 01:32:44,454 Even fucking touch me... 1389 01:33:01,410 --> 01:33:03,578 - Oh my God. - Dude, you okay? 1390 01:33:04,578 --> 01:33:08,078 - You okay, man? - Get away. Don't touch him. 1391 01:33:38,410 --> 01:33:42,702 Hey, Ed, how are you? How's your health? 1392 01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:45,578 Hey, Corbin. Ah, it's... 1393 01:33:47,578 --> 01:33:50,162 It's fine. Thanks for asking. 1394 01:33:50,326 --> 01:33:53,870 It must be nerve racking, living with that condition. 1395 01:33:54,034 --> 01:33:56,702 You wouldn't know it. Look at your numbers. 1396 01:33:56,870 --> 01:34:00,578 200 Chinese IPs down in your first four months. 1397 01:34:02,702 --> 01:34:05,326 Those are internal numbers. 1398 01:34:05,494 --> 01:34:09,286 Your colleague Trevor, is out of the CIA like you. 1399 01:34:09,454 --> 01:34:13,454 He's been keeping me informed of your progress. 1400 01:34:14,702 --> 01:34:18,870 It's outstanding work. Heartbeat, as well. 1401 01:34:19,034 --> 01:34:21,960 Thank you. Thanks. That means a lot. 1402 01:34:21,961 --> 01:34:23,910 Lowell is very pleased. 1403 01:34:24,078 --> 01:34:27,954 - He sends his regards. - That's great to hear. 1404 01:34:28,786 --> 01:34:30,618 He... 1405 01:34:33,746 --> 01:34:36,994 He doesn't know about your heat map conversations 1406 01:34:37,162 --> 01:34:40,994 or some of the ideas you've expressed to your colleagues. 1407 01:34:41,162 --> 01:34:44,494 - And he's not going to. - Yeah... 1408 01:34:45,702 --> 01:34:48,493 You know, Heartbeat is proving a tricky 1409 01:34:48,494 --> 01:34:51,494 project. Collating from multiple agencies. 1410 01:34:51,662 --> 01:34:54,326 And knowing where to pull from. 1411 01:34:54,494 --> 01:34:58,702 It has helped to talk it over with colleagues. 1412 01:34:58,870 --> 01:35:01,986 I believe in you. Which is why nothing 1413 01:35:01,987 --> 01:35:04,702 to you after the derog in Geneva. 1414 01:35:05,954 --> 01:35:08,826 And I'm very grateful you've looked out for me. 1415 01:35:08,994 --> 01:35:15,162 Or after you "omitted the truth" in your polygraph. 1416 01:35:17,162 --> 01:35:20,162 What was it you were withholding exactly? 1417 01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:31,454 You remember that day in class you were talking to us about. 1418 01:35:32,746 --> 01:35:36,370 You said that they approved Bush's wiretapping programs. 1419 01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:41,954 Sometimes we're restricted from telling the whole truth. 1420 01:35:43,118 --> 01:35:46,151 Doesn't give us permission to lie. 1421 01:35:46,152 --> 01:35:47,162 Corbin. 1422 01:35:47,326 --> 01:35:48,769 The Director of National 1423 01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:50,994 Intelligence just lied to Congress. 1424 01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:55,746 Sorry. 1425 01:36:00,078 --> 01:36:01,870 Look at me. 1426 01:36:07,286 --> 01:36:11,118 Did you access an unauthorised program? 1427 01:36:11,286 --> 01:36:13,954 That I did not know about? 1428 01:36:19,870 --> 01:36:23,410 Yes. It was... 1429 01:36:25,246 --> 01:36:30,534 It was in Geneva, it was Lindsay, I was jealous. And I'm sorry. 1430 01:36:30,702 --> 01:36:33,246 I never did it again. 1431 01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:47,286 Listen... 1432 01:36:50,954 --> 01:36:54,662 I know it's been up and down with you and Lindsay since Geneva. 1433 01:36:54,826 --> 01:36:59,578 It's tough... keep any relationship going. Few of us do. 1434 01:37:01,870 --> 01:37:05,315 So if it will give you any peace of mind, I can assure you 1435 01:37:05,316 --> 01:37:08,702 she's not sleeping with that photographer friend of hers. 1436 01:37:10,034 --> 01:37:12,746 If that's what you're thinking. 1437 01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:18,770 I have to go to a Five Eyes conference in Sydney in a 1438 01:37:18,771 --> 01:37:21,578 couple of week. I'll stop by Hawaii on the way back. 1439 01:37:23,494 --> 01:37:25,746 Okay? 1440 01:37:26,454 --> 01:37:28,994 Okay. Thank you. 1441 01:37:31,578 --> 01:37:33,786 I'll see you soon. 1442 01:37:48,994 --> 01:37:50,870 Hey Dad. 1443 01:37:52,034 --> 01:37:55,326 Did you get the e-mail I sent you with the photos? 1444 01:37:59,202 --> 01:38:02,202 I was hoping you could delete them. 1445 01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:13,078 What are you doing? 1446 01:38:34,202 --> 01:38:36,162 Sit down. 1447 01:38:42,494 --> 01:38:46,786 - Your e-mail is being monitored. - So? 1448 01:38:48,034 --> 01:38:49,934 Well, it's different now. It's not passive 1449 01:38:49,935 --> 01:38:51,746 collection. It's full tape surveillance. 1450 01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:53,672 It's your all of your e-mails, calls, 1451 01:38:53,673 --> 01:38:55,202 texts, social media. Everything. 1452 01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:59,910 It's also possible that the house is bugged. 1453 01:39:00,078 --> 01:39:03,118 - I'm not sure. - By who? 1454 01:39:04,370 --> 01:39:07,078 By a senior officer at the CIA. 1455 01:39:08,202 --> 01:39:11,954 You in trouble? Is it the Chinese thing? 1456 01:39:12,118 --> 01:39:15,746 Look, there's things that I wish I could tell you 1457 01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:20,534 but I can't because you could get very hurt. 1458 01:39:20,702 --> 01:39:23,746 What's keeping you safe is that you don't know anything. 1459 01:39:30,326 --> 01:39:33,870 I'm sorry. I really am. I didn't want any of this for you. 1460 01:39:35,534 --> 01:39:39,910 But I know you would think I was doing the right thing. 1461 01:39:44,662 --> 01:39:47,856 So just listen to me for a sec, okay? When we go 1462 01:39:47,857 --> 01:39:51,246 back in the house, everything has to appear normal. 1463 01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:53,578 We're gonna act like nothing is changed. 1464 01:39:53,746 --> 01:39:55,740 But if you do notice something that's 1465 01:39:55,741 --> 01:39:57,786 weird, you need to tell me right away. 1466 01:39:57,954 --> 01:39:59,745 And you're gonna use encrypted 1467 01:39:59,746 --> 01:40:01,954 e-mail that I'm setting up for you. 1468 01:40:02,118 --> 01:40:06,202 - I don't think I can do this. - Yes, you can. I know you can. 1469 01:40:07,410 --> 01:40:11,994 - Do I even have a choice? - I'm asking you to trust me. 1470 01:40:20,078 --> 01:40:24,454 Linds, I think it'd be best if you went back to Maryland for a while. 1471 01:40:24,618 --> 01:40:28,410 Tell your parents that I'm away on a business trip. 1472 01:40:28,578 --> 01:40:32,870 - And that you're homesick. - Are you going away? 1473 01:40:33,034 --> 01:40:35,746 Yes, but just for a little while. 1474 01:40:45,162 --> 01:40:46,235 No, I can't go. 1475 01:40:46,237 --> 01:40:49,455 - Please, just until I get back? - I can't go. 1476 01:40:50,954 --> 01:40:55,410 You just said that we have to appear like nothing's changed. 1477 01:40:55,578 --> 01:40:57,731 If both of us left at the same time, 1478 01:40:57,732 --> 01:40:59,534 wouldn't that seem suspicious? 1479 01:41:09,662 --> 01:41:12,454 I will do this for you. 1480 01:41:16,118 --> 01:41:18,662 But it is the last time. 1481 01:41:41,326 --> 01:41:43,440 We will meet in the mall, opposite the Mira 1482 01:41:43,441 --> 01:41:45,410 Hotel, on the Monday two weeks from now. 1483 01:41:45,578 --> 01:41:49,370 I will be holding a Rubik's cube. More to follow... 1484 01:41:54,662 --> 01:41:56,746 You hear about Trevor, bro? 1485 01:41:56,910 --> 01:42:00,162 You know that op to own the internet in Syria? 1486 01:42:00,326 --> 01:42:04,618 Yeah, Trevor and his TAO team crashed the core router. 1487 01:42:04,786 --> 01:42:07,954 - The whole country has gone dark. - Jesus Christ. 1488 01:42:08,118 --> 01:42:11,034 - Figure it out. - Poor bastards. 1489 01:42:12,994 --> 01:42:14,770 Ok, I'm gonna, I gotta get to work. 1490 01:42:14,771 --> 01:42:15,826 Yeah, yeah, me too. 1491 01:42:16,994 --> 01:42:20,454 Oh, hey. How's Heartbeat coming? 1492 01:42:21,662 --> 01:42:25,326 It's close. It's very close. 1493 01:42:28,246 --> 01:42:30,826 Don't tell me you're involved in this too. 1494 01:42:30,994 --> 01:42:33,635 Well, Trevor fucking roped me into going through the 1495 01:42:33,636 --> 01:42:36,326 zero day exploit codes. It's a big fucking mess, man. 1496 01:42:38,578 --> 01:42:41,870 - Why did I agree to it? - Good luck. 1497 01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:10,498 Talk about getting hung out to dry. 1498 01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:11,500 Yeah. 1499 01:45:12,662 --> 01:45:14,746 Trouble with the Navy? 1500 01:45:14,910 --> 01:45:17,101 One of those idiots ripped some bullshit piece of Israeli Code 1501 01:45:17,102 --> 01:45:19,118 and jammed it down our payload. You fucking believe that? 1502 01:45:19,286 --> 01:45:20,286 Script kiddies? 1503 01:45:20,287 --> 01:45:23,118 I know, I know. I should have listened to you. Goddammit. 1504 01:45:23,286 --> 01:45:25,034 - Is this it? - Here it is. 1505 01:45:25,202 --> 01:45:28,246 The Israelis must fucking take the fall for this. 1506 01:45:32,202 --> 01:45:35,454 I'm not taking the fall for this. 1507 01:45:44,118 --> 01:45:45,702 Patrick. 1508 01:45:50,786 --> 01:45:53,370 I might not see you again. 1509 01:45:55,702 --> 01:45:58,826 You gonna leave me here... 1510 01:45:58,994 --> 01:46:01,578 with Captain America? 1511 01:46:01,746 --> 01:46:03,410 Thanks a lot. 1512 01:46:05,078 --> 01:46:09,578 The NSA may come after you. 1513 01:46:10,994 --> 01:46:13,746 I don't know what you're talking about. 1514 01:46:48,118 --> 01:46:52,370 - You headed home already? - Yeah. I'm not feeling so well. 1515 01:46:53,534 --> 01:46:56,118 Might not be in tomorrow either. 1516 01:46:56,286 --> 01:46:57,986 You know, Trevor's kinda busy, maybe 1517 01:46:57,987 --> 01:46:59,410 you could let him know for me? 1518 01:46:59,578 --> 01:47:01,786 Yeah, it'd be my pleasure. 1519 01:47:03,370 --> 01:47:06,332 You know, if you're if you're really not feeling well, dude, 1520 01:47:06,333 --> 01:47:09,246 maybe you should go back to the States and see your doctor. 1521 01:47:09,410 --> 01:47:12,994 I think that, you know, folks would understand that. 1522 01:47:15,326 --> 01:47:17,370 Sounds like a smart thing. 1523 01:47:24,410 --> 01:47:27,746 - Take care of yourself. - Yeah, you too, bro. 1524 01:47:51,204 --> 01:47:53,748 Hey, you ever play with one of these? 1525 01:47:53,912 --> 01:47:56,872 Yeah, when I was a kid. 1526 01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,456 You should try it. It's hard. 1527 01:48:19,624 --> 01:48:22,704 I can't figure this out. 1528 01:48:27,248 --> 01:48:28,912 I don't know about this. 1529 01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,425 You gotta start with a white cross, 1530 01:48:31,426 --> 01:48:33,704 actually, then you do the corners. 1531 01:48:33,872 --> 01:48:37,164 Ah man, well I love these things. 1532 01:48:37,332 --> 01:48:40,580 - Hey, have a good weekend, man. - You too, buddy. 1533 01:49:35,818 --> 01:49:38,690 It's live. 1534 01:49:38,858 --> 01:49:41,566 WEDNESDAY, June 5, 2013 1535 01:49:42,150 --> 01:49:45,774 There's a link to the FISA court order. 1536 01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,566 Well done, Janine. I told you she was no pushover. 1537 01:49:55,734 --> 01:49:59,442 Well, it feels so goddamn good to be wrong. 1538 01:50:01,610 --> 01:50:05,902 NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily. 1539 01:50:06,066 --> 01:50:08,046 Breaking news tonight. Reports that through a 1540 01:50:08,047 --> 01:50:09,982 secret court order, the Obama administration 1541 01:50:10,150 --> 01:50:13,110 is collecting the phone records of millions of Verizon customers. 1542 01:50:13,274 --> 01:50:16,190 That's been reported by The Guardian newspaper in the UK. 1543 01:50:16,358 --> 01:50:17,905 They said court order shows that all the 1544 01:50:17,906 --> 01:50:19,301 information is going to the National 1545 01:50:19,302 --> 01:50:20,697 Security Agency. CNN has reached out 1546 01:50:20,698 --> 01:50:21,942 to multiple sources to confirm it. 1547 01:50:22,110 --> 01:50:24,526 How is that for mainstream media, Glenn? 1548 01:50:24,690 --> 01:50:26,169 They can't shut this down now, we've 1549 01:50:26,170 --> 01:50:27,409 got four days more days of it. 1550 01:50:27,410 --> 01:50:29,234 They have no idea what they're in store for. 1551 01:50:29,402 --> 01:50:32,026 It's fantastic. 1552 01:50:33,190 --> 01:50:35,085 Another explosive article, has just 1553 01:50:35,086 --> 01:50:37,402 appeared, this time in the Washington Post. 1554 01:50:37,566 --> 01:50:40,247 It's breaking news that it reveals another broad 1555 01:50:40,248 --> 01:50:42,818 and secret US government surveillance program. 1556 01:50:42,982 --> 01:50:47,026 The Washington Post and the Guardian in London reporting 1557 01:50:47,190 --> 01:50:50,370 that the NSA and the FBI are tapping directly into the 1558 01:50:50,371 --> 01:50:53,318 central servers of nine leading internet companies 1559 01:50:53,482 --> 01:50:57,066 including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, AOL, 1560 01:50:57,234 --> 01:50:59,818 Skype, YouTube, and Apple. 1561 01:50:59,982 --> 01:51:02,192 The Post says they're extracting audio, 1562 01:51:02,193 --> 01:51:04,402 video, photographs, e-mails, documents, 1563 01:51:04,566 --> 01:51:07,614 and connection logs that enable analysts to track 1564 01:51:07,615 --> 01:51:10,358 a person's movements and contacts over time. 1565 01:51:10,526 --> 01:51:13,650 FRIDAY, June 7, 2013 1566 01:51:13,818 --> 01:51:17,399 In the abstract, you can complain about Big Brother 1567 01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,566 and how this is a potential program run amok, 1568 01:51:21,690 --> 01:51:24,073 but when you actually look at the details, 1569 01:51:24,074 --> 01:51:26,566 then I think we've struck the right balance. 1570 01:51:26,734 --> 01:51:29,264 US President Barack Obama staunchly 1571 01:51:29,265 --> 01:51:31,442 defends US government programs 1572 01:51:31,610 --> 01:51:35,066 insisting that they were conducted with broad safeguards 1573 01:51:35,234 --> 01:51:38,982 to protect against abuse. 1574 01:51:39,150 --> 01:51:41,397 He reached the conclusion that what was 1575 01:51:41,398 --> 01:51:43,982 happening inside this really secretive agency 1576 01:51:44,150 --> 01:51:47,376 was very threatening and menacing to privacy rights, 1577 01:51:47,377 --> 01:51:50,358 to internet freedom, to basic political liberty. 1578 01:51:50,526 --> 01:51:53,138 Not only in the United States but all around 1579 01:51:53,139 --> 01:51:55,402 the world. And he felt it was his duty 1580 01:51:55,566 --> 01:51:58,650 as a human being to disclose it. 1581 01:52:08,482 --> 01:52:10,743 My name is Ed Snowden. I'm 29 years 1582 01:52:10,744 --> 01:52:13,066 old. I work for Booz Allen Hamilton. 1583 01:52:13,234 --> 01:52:16,610 As an infrastructure analyst for NSA in Hawaii. 1584 01:52:20,529 --> 01:52:21,872 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 1585 01:52:21,930 --> 01:52:23,876 (SPEAKING GERMAN) 1586 01:52:24,133 --> 01:52:25,703 (SPEAKING ITALIAN) 1587 01:52:25,801 --> 01:52:27,405 (SPEAKING JAPANESE) 1588 01:52:27,636 --> 01:52:29,274 (SPEAKING RUSSIAN) 1589 01:52:29,526 --> 01:52:31,654 Well, you can't come forward against the most 1590 01:52:31,655 --> 01:52:33,690 powerful intelligence agencies in the world 1591 01:52:33,858 --> 01:52:36,161 without expecting to have some risk. 1592 01:52:36,162 --> 01:52:38,650 They're just such powerful adversaries. 1593 01:52:38,818 --> 01:52:42,308 No one can meaningfully oppose them. If they 1594 01:52:42,309 --> 01:52:45,566 wanna get you, they will get you in time. 1595 01:52:45,734 --> 01:52:47,774 The kid did it. 1596 01:52:47,942 --> 01:52:50,779 Get worse for the next generation, if they extend the 1597 01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:53,774 capabilities of this sort of architecture of oppression. 1598 01:52:53,942 --> 01:52:58,402 Then you realise that you might willing to accept any risk 1599 01:52:58,566 --> 01:53:01,556 as long as the public is able to make their 1600 01:53:01,557 --> 01:53:04,274 own decision about how this is applied. 1601 01:53:04,442 --> 01:53:06,028 Because, even if you haven't done 1602 01:53:06,029 --> 01:53:07,902 anything wrong, you're being watched. 1603 01:53:09,734 --> 01:53:13,066 I had access to the entire intelligence community. 1604 01:53:13,234 --> 01:53:16,274 So if I had wanted to harm the US, 1605 01:53:16,442 --> 01:53:20,442 you could shut down the entire analyst system in an afternoon. 1606 01:53:20,610 --> 01:53:23,799 But that was never my intention, and I 1607 01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:27,234 think anybody that's making that argument, 1608 01:53:27,402 --> 01:53:29,358 they have to think. 1609 01:53:29,526 --> 01:53:31,818 If they were in my position, 1610 01:53:31,982 --> 01:53:35,566 living in Hawaii, in paradise, making a ton of money, 1611 01:53:35,734 --> 01:53:40,650 what would it take, to make you leave everything behind? 1612 01:53:40,818 --> 01:53:44,526 The fear that I've had most 1613 01:53:44,690 --> 01:53:48,982 in regards to the outcome for America with these disclosures 1614 01:53:49,150 --> 01:53:51,754 is that nothing will change in the coming months, 1615 01:53:51,755 --> 01:53:54,150 and the coming years, it will just get worse. 1616 01:53:54,318 --> 01:53:57,982 And then, eventually, at some point 1617 01:53:58,150 --> 01:54:01,610 some new leader will be elected 1618 01:54:01,774 --> 01:54:05,858 who flips the switch 1619 01:54:06,026 --> 01:54:09,509 and the people won't be able to do 1620 01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:13,402 anything by that point to oppose it. 1621 01:54:13,566 --> 01:54:18,066 And it'll be turnkey tyranny. 1622 01:54:18,234 --> 01:54:22,318 - How you holding up? - Yeah, I'll be fine. 1623 01:54:22,482 --> 01:54:25,482 You guys have to start watching after yourselves now. 1624 01:54:26,982 --> 01:54:33,690 You know, if you have any reason to believe that you're about to 1625 01:54:33,858 --> 01:54:36,566 be raided or intercepted or breached in any way, 1626 01:54:36,567 --> 01:54:39,274 you format and destroy all the data immediately. 1627 01:54:39,442 --> 01:54:42,234 You have the encrypted backups. 1628 01:54:42,402 --> 01:54:44,650 Now I... 1629 01:54:47,274 --> 01:54:49,424 I no longer have any access to these 1630 01:54:49,425 --> 01:54:51,690 files, myself. You guys have them all. 1631 01:54:55,942 --> 01:55:00,274 Keep the focus on the stories. That's all that matters. 1632 01:55:00,442 --> 01:55:03,734 If you'll excuse me, it's... 1633 01:55:04,858 --> 01:55:08,026 We should all get some rest. We could use it. 1634 01:55:08,190 --> 01:55:10,184 Yeah, I should probably lay down in a soft 1635 01:55:10,185 --> 01:55:12,318 bed, while I still have one available, right? 1636 01:55:13,982 --> 01:55:16,110 - Rest well. - Thank you. 1637 01:55:18,190 --> 01:55:21,066 - See you tomorrow. - Good night. 1638 01:55:49,818 --> 01:55:53,982 Can you at least tell me where you're going? 1639 01:56:16,902 --> 01:56:19,774 Listen, I know that I... 1640 01:56:29,026 --> 01:56:32,190 MONDAY, June 10, 2013 1641 01:56:36,690 --> 01:56:39,818 Ewen, I'm on the second floor. 1642 01:56:39,982 --> 01:56:42,150 I don't see Tibbo. 1643 01:56:43,858 --> 01:56:46,442 No, no-no, wait, I think I see him. 1644 01:56:46,610 --> 01:56:51,110 Shit. There's press swarming all over the hotel. 1645 01:56:51,274 --> 01:56:53,046 Yeah, I don't know. I'll figure it out and I'll 1646 01:56:53,047 --> 01:56:54,818 stop them with a press conference or something. 1647 01:56:54,982 --> 01:56:58,021 Look, we really appreciate this you're 1648 01:56:58,022 --> 01:57:00,982 one of the best lawyers in Hong Kong. 1649 01:57:01,150 --> 01:57:03,912 We're gonna take him to the UN first, then 1650 01:57:03,913 --> 01:57:06,482 I prefer not to reveal. I understand... 1651 01:57:06,650 --> 01:57:10,402 Shit, they've spotted me. You guys get going. 1652 01:57:12,150 --> 01:57:16,026 I will answer your questions in an orderly fashion. Please. 1653 01:57:16,190 --> 01:57:17,205 Did you get them? 1654 01:57:17,206 --> 01:57:19,234 Yeah, this is the best I could do. 1655 01:57:19,402 --> 01:57:22,442 You'll be meeting Tibbo in five minutes. 1656 01:57:22,610 --> 01:57:26,482 On the skybridge opposite the large mall. 1657 01:57:28,690 --> 01:57:33,358 I've met a lot of astonishing people in my life, but you... 1658 01:57:35,190 --> 01:57:38,274 Okay, laddie, off you go. 1659 01:57:38,442 --> 01:57:41,026 I won't let you down. 1660 01:57:41,190 --> 01:57:44,942 You'd make a shitty journalist without a camera. 1661 01:57:45,110 --> 01:57:47,566 You sure? 1662 01:57:47,734 --> 01:57:51,026 Okay. That's a pretty good idea. 1663 01:57:52,526 --> 01:57:54,774 Thanks. 1664 01:57:55,774 --> 01:57:58,234 You don't want to leave your luck behind. 1665 01:57:58,402 --> 01:58:02,358 Oh, I think I'd like you to have that. 1666 01:58:03,690 --> 01:58:07,690 - Thanks. For everything. - Thank you. 1667 01:58:31,318 --> 01:58:33,610 I have a van on the street. 1668 01:58:37,818 --> 01:58:41,402 NSA leaker Edward Snowden has now been charged formally with 1669 01:58:41,566 --> 01:58:46,150 espionage, theft and conversion of government property. 1670 01:58:46,318 --> 01:58:48,503 US officials have asked Hong Kong to detain the 1671 01:58:48,504 --> 01:58:50,734 former contractor on provisional arrest warrant. 1672 01:58:50,902 --> 01:58:53,241 Snowden has been in Hong Kong since May. 1673 01:58:53,242 --> 01:58:54,818 Reportedly, on May 20th... 1674 01:58:57,902 --> 01:59:00,144 Snowden has checked out of the luxury hotel 1675 01:59:00,145 --> 01:59:02,234 in Hong Kong where he had been holed up. 1676 01:59:04,110 --> 01:59:05,818 You might turn your eyes away. 1677 01:59:05,982 --> 01:59:09,818 The Justice Department had to go to Interpol, so that Snowden, 1678 01:59:09,982 --> 01:59:14,818 if he tried to cross a border, he could be intercepted and detained. 1679 01:59:14,982 --> 01:59:17,362 So, again the Americans are now closing in. 1680 01:59:17,363 --> 01:59:19,526 They almost certainly know where he is. 1681 01:59:19,690 --> 01:59:21,675 They just need Hong Kong's approval to get him. 1682 01:59:21,676 --> 01:59:23,702 The Hong Kong government does have an extradition 1683 01:59:23,703 --> 01:59:25,566 agreement with Washington, but the ultimate decision... 1684 01:59:27,274 --> 01:59:31,482 The big question here is: Where is he now? 1685 01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:36,942 Thank you. This is Ed. Ed, Mayana. 1686 01:59:36,943 --> 01:59:38,026 Welcome. 1687 01:59:41,358 --> 01:59:44,650 These are good people. They won't talk. 1688 01:59:44,818 --> 01:59:47,031 I've been handling their cases for years. They're like you. 1689 01:59:47,032 --> 01:59:48,032 That's so nice. 1690 01:59:48,066 --> 01:59:50,026 - They're stateless. - Yeah. 1691 01:59:50,190 --> 01:59:53,628 So, we're waiting on the UN application for refugee status. 1692 01:59:53,629 --> 01:59:54,774 Yeah. 1693 01:59:54,942 --> 01:59:58,068 Just in case you're arrested, this is where you can call me. 1694 01:59:58,069 --> 01:59:59,110 Yeah. 1695 02:00:01,650 --> 02:00:04,650 - Good. - Thank you so much. 1696 02:00:08,274 --> 02:00:11,942 You may not feel it, Ed, 1697 02:00:12,110 --> 02:00:14,902 but you're not alone. 1698 02:00:18,026 --> 02:00:21,566 His long-time girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, an amateur photographer 1699 02:00:21,734 --> 02:00:24,309 has not been heard from. It's believed she's 1700 02:00:24,310 --> 02:00:26,942 in seclusion in her parents' home in Maryland 1701 02:00:27,110 --> 02:00:32,234 and has been questioned by the FBI and remains under investigation. 1702 02:00:32,402 --> 02:00:36,150 Ten days have now gone by as the world looks for Edward Snowden. 1703 02:00:36,318 --> 02:00:39,690 Rumours have surfaced that a rich supporter is hiding Snowden 1704 02:00:39,858 --> 02:00:43,526 somewhere in the Hong Kong hills in a private mansion. 1705 02:01:14,610 --> 02:01:17,179 It is now confirmed that Edward Snowden has 1706 02:01:17,180 --> 02:01:19,690 boarded a flight from Hong Kong to Moscow. 1707 02:01:19,858 --> 02:01:22,462 The State Department is very disappointed in the 1708 02:01:22,463 --> 02:01:25,066 authorities in Hong Kong for letting Snowden go. 1709 02:01:25,234 --> 02:01:27,650 He was accompanied by a representative from Wikileaks. 1710 02:01:27,818 --> 02:01:30,625 Snowden is trying to make his way from Russia to 1711 02:01:30,626 --> 02:01:33,318 Cuba and then to Ecuador for political asylum. 1712 02:01:33,482 --> 02:01:35,212 Moscow airport officials say he won't be 1713 02:01:35,213 --> 02:01:36,858 permitted to make his connected flight 1714 02:01:37,026 --> 02:01:39,482 because the US government has revoked his passport. 1715 02:01:39,650 --> 02:01:43,774 The United States Secretary of State John Kerry is outraged 1716 02:01:43,942 --> 02:01:46,234 that Russia is refusing to arrest the American fugitive. 1717 02:01:46,402 --> 02:01:48,229 Now a man without a country is 1718 02:01:48,230 --> 02:01:50,482 stranded inside the Moscow airport. 1719 02:01:50,650 --> 02:01:53,190 No, I'm not going to be scrambling jets 1720 02:01:53,358 --> 02:01:58,358 to get a 29-year-old hacker. 1721 02:01:59,110 --> 02:02:01,178 The president of Bolivia's plane was 1722 02:02:01,179 --> 02:02:03,358 forced down in Austrian airspace today 1723 02:02:03,526 --> 02:02:07,526 on US suspicions that Snowden may have been on board. 1724 02:02:07,690 --> 02:02:10,082 After 39 days at the airport hotel, 1725 02:02:10,083 --> 02:02:12,274 he slept with his Russian lawyer 1726 02:02:12,442 --> 02:02:15,982 and a legal adviser from Wikileaks, Sarah Harrison. 1727 02:02:16,150 --> 02:02:18,916 He can now enjoy all of the the sweet, sweet liberty 1728 02:02:18,917 --> 02:02:21,734 allowed under the regime of president Vladimir Putin. 1729 02:02:21,902 --> 02:02:25,026 There is still a thing called execution. 1730 02:02:25,190 --> 02:02:26,558 Mr Snowden actually deserves asylum 1731 02:02:26,559 --> 02:02:27,774 and protection around the globe 1732 02:02:27,942 --> 02:02:31,482 but he does have asylum in Russia, at least. 1733 02:02:31,650 --> 02:02:33,150 He can engage in the debate he started. 1734 02:02:33,318 --> 02:02:34,925 And now the world now has an example 1735 02:02:34,926 --> 02:02:36,358 that you can do the right thing. 1736 02:02:36,526 --> 02:02:40,150 You don't have to end up in a cage, one room, a prison. 1737 02:02:41,650 --> 02:02:44,982 After more than a year in the country under temporary asylum 1738 02:02:45,150 --> 02:02:47,867 Edward Snowden has received a three 1739 02:02:47,868 --> 02:02:50,358 year residency permit in Russia. 1740 02:02:58,372 --> 02:03:02,744 And now, here, live from Moscow, Edward Snowden. 1741 02:03:04,788 --> 02:03:07,536 Hi, Ed. How are you doing? 1742 02:03:11,996 --> 02:03:16,536 Thank you. Forgive me if I get my bearings a little bit here. 1743 02:03:16,704 --> 02:03:20,620 People always said I was kind of a robot. 1744 02:03:20,788 --> 02:03:22,744 How is it that you came to be in Russia? 1745 02:03:22,912 --> 02:03:25,345 Well, I never intended to come here, 1746 02:03:25,346 --> 02:03:27,580 you know. My passport was revoked 1747 02:03:27,744 --> 02:03:31,912 on route to Latin America, so when people say, why are you in Russia? 1748 02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:35,536 I say: "Ask the State Department." 1749 02:03:35,704 --> 02:03:39,660 Does that mean you're willing to go back and face trial? 1750 02:03:39,828 --> 02:03:43,912 Absolutely. If it was a fair and public trial. 1751 02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,412 Unfortunately that's not what would happen right now as 1752 02:03:47,580 --> 02:03:51,536 long as the Espionage Act is being used against whistle-blowers. 1753 02:03:52,744 --> 02:03:54,949 Do you still think it was worth it? 1754 02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:55,950 Yes, I do. 1755 02:03:55,951 --> 02:04:01,744 Without the information to start a public debate, we're lost. 1756 02:04:01,912 --> 02:04:05,185 You know, the people being able to question 1757 02:04:05,186 --> 02:04:08,160 our government and hold it accountable. 1758 02:04:08,328 --> 02:04:10,846 That's the principle that the United 1759 02:04:10,847 --> 02:04:13,160 States of America was founded on. 1760 02:04:13,328 --> 02:04:16,996 So, if we want to protect our national security 1761 02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:20,580 we should be protecting that principle. 1762 02:04:20,744 --> 02:04:23,456 What if your argument falls on deaf 1763 02:04:23,457 --> 02:04:26,244 ears, what if our leaders don't act? 1764 02:04:26,412 --> 02:04:30,080 I believe that if nothing changes, 1765 02:04:30,244 --> 02:04:35,372 more and more people all over the world will come forward. 1766 02:04:35,536 --> 02:04:41,412 Whistle-blowers and journalists, but also regular citizens. 1767 02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:45,704 And when those in power try to hide 1768 02:04:45,872 --> 02:04:51,244 by classifying everything, we will call them out on it. 1769 02:04:51,412 --> 02:04:54,345 And when they try to scare us into 1770 02:04:54,346 --> 02:04:57,536 sacrificing our basic human rights, 1771 02:04:57,704 --> 02:05:02,036 we won't be intimidated. And we won't give up. 1772 02:05:02,204 --> 02:05:06,204 And we will not be silenced. 1773 02:05:06,372 --> 02:05:09,099 You're alone in a foreign country. You'll 1774 02:05:09,100 --> 02:05:11,372 be extradited if you try to leave. 1775 02:05:11,536 --> 02:05:14,036 That must be hard. 1776 02:05:25,912 --> 02:05:28,496 When I left Hawaii, I lost... 1777 02:05:28,660 --> 02:05:30,952 everything. 1778 02:05:33,204 --> 02:05:36,080 You know, I had a stable life. 1779 02:05:38,244 --> 02:05:42,536 Stable love. Family. Future. 1780 02:05:43,912 --> 02:05:46,828 And I lost that life, but... 1781 02:05:48,912 --> 02:05:51,620 I've gained a new one. 1782 02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:55,372 And I'm incredibly fortunate. 1783 02:05:57,704 --> 02:06:00,160 And I think, 1784 02:06:00,328 --> 02:06:02,110 the greatest freedom that I've is the 1785 02:06:02,111 --> 02:06:04,080 fact that I no longer have to worry about 1786 02:06:04,244 --> 02:06:09,244 what happens tomorrow, because I'm happy with what I've done today. 1787 02:06:13,980 --> 02:06:18,064 Live from the internet, Edward Snowden. 1788 02:07:05,272 --> 02:07:08,148 As of this date, Edward Snowden resides in Moscow. 1789 02:07:08,316 --> 02:07:13,940 Lindsay Mills has moved there to join him. 1790 02:07:35,316 --> 02:07:37,993 Has your mindset changed about him? Is he now 1791 02:07:37,994 --> 02:07:40,856 more of a whistle-blower than he is a hacker? 1792 02:08:18,356 --> 02:08:20,538 What is going to happen to Edward Snowden? 1793 02:08:20,539 --> 02:08:21,896 He's gonna die in Moscow. 1794 02:08:22,064 --> 02:08:24,480 He's not coming home. 1795 02:09:00,980 --> 02:09:03,272 Snowden, is he a traitor or a hero? 1796 02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:06,524 He stole very important information. 1797 02:09:25,356 --> 02:09:26,648 We have breaking news tonight. 1798 02:09:26,816 --> 02:09:28,909 Among the reports, work with Congress to 1799 02:09:28,910 --> 02:09:31,104 change how the NSA collects phone records. 1800 02:09:31,272 --> 02:09:34,440 More transparency by the secret court 1801 02:09:34,604 --> 02:09:37,024 that regularly approves the surveillance... 1802 02:09:38,396 --> 02:09:40,915 Is it a victory for Edward Snowden? That's 1803 02:09:40,916 --> 02:09:43,316 gonna depend on the eye of the beholder. 1804 02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:46,316 The American government was acting illegally. 1805 02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:50,816 I don't think he should be brought home without facing the music. 1806 02:09:50,980 --> 02:09:53,183 Snowden played a very important role 1807 02:09:53,184 --> 02:09:55,148 in educating the American people 1808 02:09:55,316 --> 02:09:58,057 to the degree in which our civil liberties and 1809 02:09:58,058 --> 02:10:00,856 our constitutional rights are being undermined. 1809 02:10:01,305 --> 02:11:01,838 Watching movies won't make you rich. Trading can. FilthyRichFutures.com144823

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