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The following is a
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that occurred between
2004 and 2013.
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- So?
- It's the only alligator.
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Four minutes past, we walk in one
minute. He was clear on that.
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He's coming.
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You know? He's too young to
have that kind of access.
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Ah... what time does
the restaurant open?
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Noon.
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But the food's a little
too spicy. This way.
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HONG KONG MONDAY JUNE 3, 2013
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- Excuse me.
- Huh.
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Thank you.
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Right here.
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PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB
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It's really great to
finally meet you guys.
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So first thing, can I get
your cellphones please?
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Thank you. We want Laura to
be the only one recording.
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Right, as discussed. Thank you.
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I actually bought this. It
blocks UHF frequencies.
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You have been photographed
before, right?
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Yeah, it's been a while since
anybody took a photo of me.
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Try thinking of this
as your friend.
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Take your time.
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Can you start by telling us
why you did what you did?
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And how you gained access
to such a vast amount of
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information. All of which I
read on the plane, and...
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Glenn. How about we just
start with your name?
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My name is Edward Joseph Snowden.
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I'm 29 years old. I work as a
private contractor for the NSA.
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I've also worked as a
private contractor
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for the CIA and directly
for the agency.
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I've worked in various jobs in the
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intelligence industry for
the last nine years.
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I've been a systems engineer.
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Been a solutions consultant
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and senior adviser for the
Central Intelligence Agency.
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- Rangers...
- Rangers...
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- Rangers...
- Rangers...
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- So you wanna be Special Forces?
- Sir, yes, sir.
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I think Special Forces would be
ashamed to call you soldiers.
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- Am I right?
- Sir, no, sir.
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Your left. Your left
right. Your left.
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- Went from driving Cadillacs.
- Went from driving Cadillacs.
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- To driving convoys in Iraq.
- To driving convoys in Iraq.
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Move it, soldier.
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Go. Go. Move now.
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Move. You better get going.
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Pick it up, you waste
of space. Let's move.
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Come on, soldier.
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Come on, goggles.
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Snowden, what the
hell are you doing?
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Nothing, sir.
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- Where's your fucking heart?
- Right here, sir.
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Now I want you reach way
down in that pathetic
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excuse of a chest
and you rip it out.
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You find your heart,
and then you get
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your broke ass on my
tower. You got that?
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- Sir, yes, sir.
- Now get the fuck outta my face.
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I need you off my tower,
gentlemen. Let's move.
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Move. Come on.
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Rise and shine maggots.
Get your hands off your
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dicks and get the fuck
out of my barracks.
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You guys got one minute.
Fall out. Move, move, move.
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Get the hell out here. Get
the hell out of my barracks.
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Move it. Keep moving.
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Let's go. All right, gentlemen.
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- Harrison?
- Here.
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- Carson?
- Here.
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- Ramirez?
- Here.
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Fuck.
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- Pierce?
- Here.
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- Coulson?
- Help.
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Snowden? Where the
fuck is Snowden?
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Help.
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You know, you've been
walking around on two
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broken legs, best I
can tell, for weeks.
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Now, this is what
happens when you put a
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80 pound rucksack on
a 150 pound body.
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You get these little
stress fractures.
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- Easy.
- Sorry.
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They build up in your
tibias. You don't get
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off them and eventually
they just bust.
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Now you gonna be here for a
few weeks, and then, I'd
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count on another eight
weeks or so on crutches.
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Okay, then when do I go back?
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Son, you ever again land
on those legs of yours,
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airborne or not, those
bones turn to powder.
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I'm gonna authorise an
administrative discharge.
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Plenty of other ways
to serve your country.
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"Ghost in the Shell" is
also one of my favourites.
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Are you this pale in real life?
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Have you committed a crime for
which you weren't caught?
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No.
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Have you cheated on an exam?
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No.
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Do you believe the
United States is
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the greatest country in the world?
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Yes.
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Why do you want to join the CIA?
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How would you explain the
internet to a child?
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Your granddad retired as an
Admiral and joined the FBI.
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Dad's in the Coast
Guard. 30-year man.
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What has been the most
important day in your life?
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9/11. We thought my grandfather
was inside the Pentagon.
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It turned out he was
off-site that day.
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- You wanted to be Special Forces?
- Yes, sir. I love their motto.
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De oppresso liber.
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Is that what you
hope to do with us?
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Free people from oppression?
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I'd like to help my country
make a difference in the world.
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The internet is a technology
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that has the power to let everyone
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in the world
understand each other.
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Missed a perfect score on the
ASVAB test by a single question.
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Crushed the language
learning test.
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Some Mandarin, some Japanese.
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And no high school diploma? So why
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did you stop attending
high school?
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I had to make money. My parents
were divorcing at the time.
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- Any other influences?
- I'd say Joseph Campbell.
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Star Wars. Thoreau.
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Ayn Rand.
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"One man can stop the
motor of the world."
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- Atlas Shrugged?
- Yes, sir. I believe that.
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Let's try again. Why do
you want to join the CIA?
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Well frankly, sir...
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sounds really cool to have
top security clearance.
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It's not enough.
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Ordinarily. But these
are not ordinary times.
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Bombs won't stop
terrorism, brains will,
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though we don't have
nearly enough of those.
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I'm gonna give you
a shot, Snowden.
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Thank you, sir. Thank you very
much. You won't regret this.
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My name is Corbin
O'Brian. I have many
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titles, among them
senior instructor.
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You'll be joining my
class at The Hill.
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Stop the vehicle.
Turn off the engine.
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I need to see your ID.
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Alright. Using your left
hand only, pop the trunk.
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Now place your hands through the
steering wheel on the dashboard.
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Through the steering wheel on the
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dashboard. Do not
exit the vehicle.
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CIA TRAINING CENTRE,
VIRGINIA "THE HILL," 2006
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Excuse me. You'll be looking
for Corbin's class; end of
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the hall, keep going through
the second set of doors.
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- Thank you. Is that, ENIGMA?
- No. ENIGMA was broken.
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This is the follow-up,
SIGABA; never broken.
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Cold War's greatest
encryption machine.
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Tides of history tick with
this motor and these rotors.
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One day everyone's gonna
want a machine like this.
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Wow, I've always wanted to learn
cryptography. What's this one?
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Hot line. First line between
Washington and Moscow.
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Probably prevented World War III.
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You gotta name? How do I
know you're not the enemy?
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- Oh sorry, Snowden. Ed Snowden.
- Hank Forrester.
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Where'd you study, Snowden?
Mostly I'm self-taught.
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You can tell me if you're
busy, but is that a Cray-1?
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Why yes. Yes, it is. The
first supercomputer.
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We get all of this
on a cell phone now.
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Yes. So you're an engineer?
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Am I an engineer? Instructor
and counsellor, too.
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I'm supposed to keep
an eye on you CTs.
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Make sure you don't
buckle under the
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pressure. Turn to drugs and booze.
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Well, you won't have that problem
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with me. I don't
drink or do drugs.
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- What is your sin of choice?
- Computers.
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Well, then, Snowden, you've come
to the right little whorehouse.
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The front lines in
the global war on
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terror are not Iraq
or Afghanistan.
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They're here.
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In London. Berlin.
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Istanbul.
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Any server. Any connection.
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The modern battlefield
is everywhere.
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Which means you don't
have to sit in a
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ditch eating MREs or
dodging mortar fire.
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It means that if there
is a another 9/11
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it'll be your fault.
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Just as the last one
was my generation's.
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Believe me, you do not want
to live with that burden.
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We're gonna start with
an aptitude test.
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Each of you is gonna
build a covert
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communications network
in your home city.
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You're gonna deploy
it, back up your
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site, destroy it and
restore it again.
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Point of this exercise
is to keep your
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infrastructure up and
running securely.
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The average test time
is five hours. If
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you take more than
eight, you will fail.
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Mr O'Brian?
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I'm done, sir.
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You don't have to tell me when
you've completed a stage.
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- No, I finished the whole thing.
- It's been 40 minutes.
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- 38.
- What?
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38 minutes.
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Okay. Let's see where
you screwed up.
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You didn't say we had to
do it in order, so I...
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I broke the sequence to
save time, and I made
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the backup process to run
as I built the site.
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Eyes on screens.
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Mr O'Brian?
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- So, what should I do now?
- Whatever you want.
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Are you this pale in real life?
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- Hey.
- Hi.
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- Finally.
- Yeah.
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Sorry.
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- Do you want... anything?
- No. Let's go for a walk.
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You could use some sun.
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Yeah. You mentioned that earlier.
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Sorry it took me this long. You
didn't want to see me on crutches.
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I was not so agile. And
then this new job hit.
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What was it you're doing again?
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I'm doing analysis for
the State Department.
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- Congratulations.
- Thanks.
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Could you do me a
favour and point in
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the direction of the
State Department?
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- Yeah, it's that way.
- Where? Are you sure?
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I mean, I'm not that great
at orienting myself.
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Not that great at lying either.
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You're going to have to work
on both if you wanna be a spy.
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Where I came from
everyone's parent
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worked for the State Department.
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Plus, every time you visited
my website this week,
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which was quite often, it
was from an IP in Virginia.
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- You know how to run an IP trace?
- Yeah.
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I'm pretty sure that the State
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Department has no
offices in Virginia.
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- Alright, let's see you strut it.
- Let's see what?
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Let's see you strut
it. Show what you
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got, you know, your best catwalk.
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Don't be shy. Come
on, you got this.
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I don't know...
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No to Bush, no to bombs.
No to Bush, no to bombs.
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Would you mind signing
our petition, please?
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Yes, absolutely.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you so much.
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- Sir?
- No thank you.
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Excuse me ma'am, you
you like to sign?
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- I actually just signed.
- Okay, thank you very much.
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Too much independent
spirit for you?
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No, I just don't really
like bashing my country.
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It's my country too, and right
now it has blood on its hands.
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Sorry, I just have friends who
are over there right now.
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I'm not talking about
the troops, I'm talking
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about the moron
sending them to war.
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You mean our commander in chief?
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Yeah. Whatever you wanna
call him, he's still wrong.
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How do you know he's wrong?
You're just lashing out.
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No, I'm not lashing out. I'm
questioning our government.
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That's what we do in
this country. That's
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the principle that
we're founded on.
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Okay, but how about questioning
the liberal media?
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You're just buying into
what one side is saying.
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Maybe I am. Because
my side is right.
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See that's funny, because
my side is right.
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- Oh really?
- Yeah.
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Why is it smart conservatives
always make me so mad?
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Probably because you don't
like hearing the truth.
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You're a very frustrating
individual. You know that?
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- How am I gonna make you see.
- I can see just fine, thank you.
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That help at all?
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Nope, that did nothing for
me. Tastes like liberal.
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Not my thing.
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"Bush lets us spy on
callers without courts."
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Is it Constitutional
to bypass the courts?
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No. The fourth amendment prevents
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searches and seizures
without a warrant.
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That's absolutely right,
Rio. Which means,
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your commander in
chief, the President of
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the United States is
breaking the law.
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That is what you're
saying, isn't that, Rio?
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Well, I guess it depends
on... who you talk to.
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And if you talk to journalists?
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Who, more often than
not, don't have the
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full picture or
neglect to report it.
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You've only got a partial truth.
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Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act. The FISA court.
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We do respect the fourth
amendment in this country.
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We issue warrants
based on suspicion.
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But sometimes these warrants have
to be issued by secret courts.
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So we don't alert the
suspect we're spying on.
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And these court proceedings are
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classified, which
means, surprise...
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They don't appear in papers
such as the New York Times.
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- Did you see my test scores?
- Yes. Top of my class, like you.
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- Here?
- NSA.
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They liked me plenty. They put
me on all the best teams.
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Soviet Frontier. Desert Storm.
And then the big new challenge.
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Find the terrorists
in the internet
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haystack. Helluva haystack.
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Hundreds of terabytes
a minute. I mean, it
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would take you 400 years
to read the e-mails.
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And then you have to
analyse them. Sometimes
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the more you look,
the less you see.
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- What'd you come up with?
- Something beautiful. In house...
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for three million
dollars. A program
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that could differentiate
between foreign
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and domestic...
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Encrypt every single
we weren't targeting,
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so that it would remain private.
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It was elegant, streamlined. It
was the best work I ever did.
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Take a seat.
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What was it called?
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Ed, rising to the top in our world
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can sometimes be hard on a man.
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I mean, you think
you're making strides.
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You think you're
taking the initiative.
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And then the next minute, they
grind your work out of existence.
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- They didn't use it? Why not?
- Well, they never tell you why.
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Two years later, after 9/11,
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a friend of mine
tells me about this
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new contractor program
they're using.
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Cost four billion dollars to
deploy; modelled after mine.
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But with no filters,
no automation.
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Ingested everything.
They were drowning
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in data. It was a
fucking disaster.
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But there must have been some
bigger picture, right? I mean,
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spending that kind of
money. They're not stupid.
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You would think intelligence
would count for
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something in the
intelligence business.
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But you want to
know what it really
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00:22:53,148 --> 00:22:55,380
is? What really sets the agenda?
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Military industrial
happiness management.
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You keep the coffers
open in Congress, you
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00:23:04,945 --> 00:23:07,632
keep the money flowing
to the contractors.
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00:23:07,796 --> 00:23:11,548
Efficiency, results,
they go out the window.
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Not to mention...
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00:23:16,588 --> 00:23:20,840
- Well, you're late for class.
- Okay, thank you.
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- Oh, can I take another one?
- Sure.
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Did you ever say
anything to anybody?
334
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,004
Yeah, I went to legal.
We filed complaints.
335
00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:43,632
Now here I am, tucked
away, teaching you.
336
00:23:45,756 --> 00:23:49,880
Maybe that's more important in the
long run. You're getting better.
337
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,004
My favourite spot on campus.
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00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:12,632
Do you hunt, Ed?
339
00:24:15,464 --> 00:24:17,603
Just some skeet
shooting with my dad a
340
00:24:17,604 --> 00:24:19,632
few times, but I
never went hunting.
341
00:24:19,796 --> 00:24:23,340
- We'll go one day.
- That'd be great.
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00:24:23,504 --> 00:24:25,346
Mr O'Brian, can I
ask you a question?
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00:24:25,347 --> 00:24:27,004
How about just calling me Corbin?
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00:24:27,172 --> 00:24:31,380
Okay. Thank you, sir. Corbin.
345
00:24:31,548 --> 00:24:36,004
I was talking with Hank
Forrester, and I wanted to know
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are all of our SIGINT programs
specifically targeted?
347
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:45,172
Of course. What good would
they be if they weren't?
348
00:24:46,588 --> 00:24:48,880
Yeah, I don't know.
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00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:55,712
- Do you have a girlfriend, Ed?
- Nothing serious.
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00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,840
- What's her name?
- Lindsay.
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00:24:59,004 --> 00:25:01,588
She going with you?
352
00:25:01,756 --> 00:25:04,964
No, I wouldn't want to
put her in any danger.
353
00:25:05,132 --> 00:25:08,840
Well, you don't have to. We're not
sending you to the Middle East.
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00:25:13,048 --> 00:25:18,296
Sir, I'm your best student.
Doesn't that count for something?
355
00:25:18,464 --> 00:25:23,504
In 20 years, Iraq'll be a
hell-hole nobody cares about.
356
00:25:23,672 --> 00:25:25,796
Terrorism's a short-term threat.
357
00:25:25,964 --> 00:25:30,088
The real threats will come
from China, Russia, Iran.
358
00:25:30,256 --> 00:25:33,172
And they'll come as SQL
injections and malware.
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00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:35,721
Without minds like
yours, this country
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will be torn apart in cyberspace.
361
00:25:37,964 --> 00:25:40,590
I don't wanna risk
losing you for some
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00:25:40,591 --> 00:25:42,880
horse shit war over sand and oil.
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00:25:44,964 --> 00:25:46,924
Sir, I'm surprised to
hear you say that.
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00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:51,880
You don't have to agree with your
politicians to be a patriot.
365
00:25:54,756 --> 00:25:59,172
- Sir, where are you sending me?
- Take a moment. Enjoy the view.
366
00:26:06,048 --> 00:26:11,172
HONG KONG TUESDAY, June 4, 2013
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00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:22,588
This is Laura.
368
00:26:22,756 --> 00:26:26,632
- Hello.
- Hello, nice to meet you.
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00:26:26,796 --> 00:26:29,108
Ewen MacAskill from the Guardian.
It's nice to meet you.
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00:26:29,109 --> 00:26:30,109
Nice to meet you, too.
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00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:32,569
If you don't mind, I'd
like to record some...
372
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:33,570
Ah.
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00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:37,840
- Cell phones go in the microwave.
- Dare I ask why?
374
00:26:38,004 --> 00:26:41,464
We'll get to that after
you ask your questions.
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00:26:41,632 --> 00:26:44,712
Before we get on to the story,
I need to know more about you.
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00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,089
Like, your career, by a
glance account, is very
377
00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:50,964
varied, but the Guardian
needs evidence...
378
00:26:51,132 --> 00:26:54,380
Yeah, this is my diplomatic
passport for friendly countries.
379
00:26:54,548 --> 00:26:56,213
My tourist passports
for everywhere
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00:26:56,214 --> 00:26:57,924
else. You can check
the visa stamps.
381
00:26:58,088 --> 00:27:01,504
My NSA badge with Booz Allen.
My CIA badge with Dell.
382
00:27:01,672 --> 00:27:05,172
And this is my DIA
instructor's badge.
383
00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,340
This is a photo of me
with Michael Hayden,
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00:27:08,504 --> 00:27:11,756
the former head of
the NSA and the CIA.
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00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:14,464
When can you publish?
386
00:27:14,632 --> 00:27:17,424
- Ok, do you mind if I sit down?
- No, please.
387
00:27:19,756 --> 00:27:22,818
Glenn says, you want to
tell people your identity.
388
00:27:22,819 --> 00:27:25,880
How do you think your
government is going to react?
389
00:27:26,048 --> 00:27:28,712
Well, they'll charge me
under the espionage act.
390
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,004
And they'll say I endangered
national security.
391
00:27:32,172 --> 00:27:35,132
They'll demonise me, and
my friends and family.
392
00:27:35,296 --> 00:27:39,088
And they'll throw me in jail.
That's the best case scenario.
393
00:27:39,256 --> 00:27:40,880
And the worst?
394
00:27:41,048 --> 00:27:43,418
Well, if I don't have
any media cover,
395
00:27:43,419 --> 00:27:45,424
then I'll be rendered by the CIA
396
00:27:45,588 --> 00:27:48,632
and interrogated
outside of the law.
397
00:27:48,796 --> 00:27:51,258
They have a station
right up the street.
398
00:27:51,259 --> 00:27:53,548
But how would they
know what you did?
399
00:27:53,712 --> 00:27:55,361
Because I left a
digital footprint in
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00:27:55,362 --> 00:27:56,880
my logs. So they'll figure it out.
401
00:27:57,048 --> 00:27:58,990
I did not want a manhunt. I know
402
00:27:58,991 --> 00:28:01,296
what they would do
to my colleagues.
403
00:28:02,464 --> 00:28:08,924
Look, Mr MacAskill, this is not
about money or anything for me.
404
00:28:09,088 --> 00:28:11,756
There's no hidden agenda. I
just wanted to get this data
405
00:28:11,924 --> 00:28:14,340
to established journalists
like yourselves
406
00:28:14,504 --> 00:28:18,296
so that you can present it to the
world, and the people can decide.
407
00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:20,880
Either I'm wrong
408
00:28:21,048 --> 00:28:23,318
or there's something
going on inside
409
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,588
the government,
that's really wrong.
410
00:28:28,504 --> 00:28:31,548
So...
411
00:28:31,712 --> 00:28:34,714
This one is everything
I have on your
412
00:28:34,715 --> 00:28:37,796
British Intelligence
agency, the GCHQ.
413
00:28:37,964 --> 00:28:40,672
The encryption key will follow.
414
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,628
You're gonna want your technical
people at the Guardian to
415
00:28:43,629 --> 00:28:46,464
look through that thoroughly.
There's a lot of stuff there.
416
00:28:50,132 --> 00:28:52,244
Listen, they're gonna
investigate, and
417
00:28:52,245 --> 00:28:54,464
they're gonna figure
out what I've done.
418
00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:56,567
And then they're
gonna come for me.
419
00:28:56,568 --> 00:28:58,340
And now that we've made contact,
420
00:29:00,212 --> 00:29:03,340
they're gonna come
for all of you, too.
421
00:29:10,256 --> 00:29:12,756
Do you mind if I go
look in the microwave?
422
00:29:19,588 --> 00:29:22,048
THE GUARDIAN US NEW YORK OFFICE
423
00:29:22,212 --> 00:29:26,380
- Ewen, I'm on with Stuart.
- How are you, Ewen?
424
00:29:26,548 --> 00:29:29,736
Hi, Stuart. Look
I've got one thing
425
00:29:29,737 --> 00:29:32,887
to say. The Guinness
here is great.
426
00:29:32,888 --> 00:29:33,888
Wonderful.
427
00:29:33,913 --> 00:29:36,381
- Absolutely the genuine article.
- Good.
428
00:29:36,548 --> 00:29:38,712
But shockingly different
from what you expect.
429
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,797
So, now we have the
lawyers to deal
430
00:29:41,798 --> 00:29:44,632
with and no doubt the White House.
431
00:29:46,004 --> 00:29:48,712
- I got the go ahead.
- That's great.
432
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,518
Good, let's get started.
We have a lot to
433
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,194
go through here and
it's not easy reading.
434
00:29:52,195 --> 00:29:53,756
We can start by showing
him XKeyscore.
435
00:29:53,924 --> 00:29:56,642
Good idea. Can you bring it up
again and walk us through it?
436
00:29:56,643 --> 00:29:57,643
Yeah.
437
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:09,048
- Do we all get under there now?
- He's protecting his passwords.
438
00:30:09,212 --> 00:30:11,756
Okay, so...
439
00:30:15,672 --> 00:30:18,802
This was introduced
during my first
440
00:30:18,803 --> 00:30:21,672
deployment at the CIA in Geneva.
441
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,504
XKeyscore. What does that do?
442
00:30:26,672 --> 00:30:29,924
It's like a search interface.
443
00:30:31,504 --> 00:30:34,880
- What does it search for?
- Anything you want.
444
00:30:36,712 --> 00:30:39,424
What was your
assignment in Geneva?
445
00:30:39,588 --> 00:30:41,780
Well, I was assigned
with diplomatic
446
00:30:41,781 --> 00:30:43,380
cover to the UN mission to
447
00:30:43,548 --> 00:30:47,548
maintain the CIA's
computer security network.
448
00:30:49,632 --> 00:30:54,256
I spent almost two years
around CIA field officers.
449
00:31:01,756 --> 00:31:04,548
I'm sorry, sir, I
don't understand.
450
00:31:04,712 --> 00:31:07,253
Sherman says you hacked
the Human Resources site.
451
00:31:07,254 --> 00:31:08,964
Yeah, it's my job to find flaws.
452
00:31:09,132 --> 00:31:11,407
The security of the
HR site is not your
453
00:31:11,408 --> 00:31:13,796
problem. You went
outside the wheelhouse.
454
00:31:13,964 --> 00:31:16,924
Okay, but just to
clarify, I did not hack.
455
00:31:17,088 --> 00:31:19,924
I showed that it could be hacked.
You told me to find a patch.
456
00:31:20,088 --> 00:31:22,088
- Do you have that in writing?
- Yes, I do.
457
00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:25,004
Remember, I sent you
the proof of concept.
458
00:31:27,796 --> 00:31:29,577
Doesn't matter what you did,
Snowden, right or wrong,
459
00:31:29,578 --> 00:31:31,424
you need to let these things
be someone else's problem.
460
00:31:31,588 --> 00:31:33,978
He's also put a
derog in your file.
461
00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:34,979
Excuse me?
462
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:37,499
Let that be a lesson. I
don't want him calling
463
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,088
me again about another
Ed Snowden moment. Okay?
464
00:31:44,004 --> 00:31:46,433
Why don't you take
it easy the rest of
465
00:31:46,434 --> 00:31:48,924
the day. Go work on
the scrubbing pile?
466
00:31:54,088 --> 00:31:56,025
That didn't look
like it went well.
467
00:31:56,026 --> 00:31:57,026
Hey man, yeah.
468
00:31:57,027 --> 00:32:00,464
No, I just got a derog
for doing my job.
469
00:32:00,632 --> 00:32:04,380
Politics, man. Culture
of fear wins again.
470
00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:06,672
I can't get anything done here.
471
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,082
Hey what about that idea that
we've been talking about?
472
00:32:10,083 --> 00:32:11,256
I'm working on it.
473
00:32:11,424 --> 00:32:14,172
I'm waiting for a callback
from our friend at The Hill.
474
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:17,296
Corbin? You called Corbin? Do you
think he could do something?
475
00:32:17,464 --> 00:32:20,424
We'll see. Maybe some limited
field ops under my supervision.
476
00:32:20,588 --> 00:32:22,808
Yes, that would be
amazing, I would love...
477
00:32:22,809 --> 00:32:23,809
Easy, Ed.
478
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:26,857
I've gotta see a cleric in
Milan. We'll talk after.
479
00:32:26,858 --> 00:32:27,964
Okay. Thank you.
480
00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,732
Damn, CIA does not like
to leave a trace, huh?
481
00:32:48,733 --> 00:32:49,733
Can I help you?
482
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,088
Ever been curious
to check one out?
483
00:32:52,256 --> 00:32:53,881
See what crazy ass
covert kill mission
484
00:32:53,882 --> 00:32:55,340
you might be erasing from history?
485
00:32:55,504 --> 00:32:58,256
- I'm sorry, who are you with?
- No Such Agency.
486
00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:00,842
I'm Gabriel Sol. I'm
the 50 pound brain
487
00:33:00,843 --> 00:33:03,380
from the council of
wizards and warlocks.
488
00:33:03,548 --> 00:33:04,548
Excuse me?
489
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:06,588
Give me your intel
for Bucharest, dude.
490
00:33:06,756 --> 00:33:09,296
Oh. Unless there's
another Dave Churchyard.
491
00:33:09,464 --> 00:33:11,924
No, that's me. Right this way.
492
00:33:15,756 --> 00:33:18,256
- I'll be right outside.
- You stay if you want.
493
00:33:18,424 --> 00:33:22,504
No, I don't have authorisation
to use NSA programs.
494
00:33:22,672 --> 00:33:25,435
If you're the messenger to
Bucharest, you must have
495
00:33:25,436 --> 00:33:27,707
PRIVAC clearance to see
the finished intel, yes?
496
00:33:27,709 --> 00:33:28,709
Yeah.
497
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:32,132
So what difference does it make
if you see how it's put together.
498
00:33:34,296 --> 00:33:36,212
It's up to you, man.
499
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,632
- You're giving me just names?
- Aye, a lot more than names.
500
00:33:44,796 --> 00:33:46,400
What I will be
providing you and the
501
00:33:46,401 --> 00:33:48,048
fine gentlemen of
the Secret Service,
502
00:33:48,212 --> 00:33:52,588
is a list of every threat about
the president since February 3rd.
503
00:33:52,756 --> 00:33:56,588
And a profile of
every threat maker.
504
00:33:56,756 --> 00:34:00,380
And these are, like,
existing targets?
505
00:34:00,548 --> 00:34:03,964
99% are gonna come from the
bulk collection program, so...
506
00:34:04,132 --> 00:34:06,999
Upstream, Muscular,
Tempora, PRISM.
507
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,088
PRISM?
508
00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:12,424
You got a little
Snow White in you.
509
00:34:12,588 --> 00:34:15,173
Almost makes me
feel like the witch
510
00:34:15,174 --> 00:34:17,256
bringing you a poison apple.
511
00:34:17,424 --> 00:34:21,464
Exhibit A: Oakland resident Justin
Pinsky posted on a message board:
512
00:34:21,632 --> 00:34:24,340
"Romania has a storied history
of executing their leaders,
513
00:34:24,504 --> 00:34:28,132
couldn't they do us a
solid and take out Bush?"
514
00:34:28,296 --> 00:34:31,088
Oh, this looks juicy.
It's from a G-chat.
515
00:34:33,424 --> 00:34:37,964
"With the biggest python,
you've ever seen."
516
00:34:38,132 --> 00:34:40,504
How is this all possible?
517
00:34:40,672 --> 00:34:45,212
Keyword selectors.
"Attack", "take out Bush".
518
00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:48,632
So think of it as a Google search,
except instead of searching
519
00:34:48,796 --> 00:34:50,440
only what people make
public, we're also
520
00:34:50,441 --> 00:34:51,924
looking at everything
they don't, so
521
00:34:52,088 --> 00:34:57,340
- E-mail, chats, SMS. Whatever.
- Yes, but which people?
522
00:34:57,504 --> 00:34:59,756
The whole kingdom, Snow White.
523
00:35:06,426 --> 00:35:08,312
Which ambassador is he again?
524
00:35:08,313 --> 00:35:11,050
De la Hoya, the World
Trade Organisation.
525
00:35:26,674 --> 00:35:29,382
So, O'Brian came through for ya.
526
00:35:29,550 --> 00:35:31,365
He agrees your talents are being
527
00:35:31,366 --> 00:35:33,634
wasted. You ready for
a little action?
528
00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:38,010
- Really? You mean right here?
- Yeah.
529
00:35:38,174 --> 00:35:40,926
You see the woman
in the pink number?
530
00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:43,926
Credit Suisse. JP
Morgan's on her arm.
531
00:35:44,090 --> 00:35:47,550
Grandma's with Deutsche Bank.
10,000 bankers in this town...
532
00:35:47,718 --> 00:35:49,590
all you need to turn is one.
533
00:35:49,758 --> 00:35:53,342
Socialise. Meet a few.
Preferably one sitting on a
534
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:58,966
pile of dirty Saudi money
that's funding Bin Laden.
535
00:35:59,134 --> 00:36:00,311
Churchyard.
536
00:36:00,312 --> 00:36:03,842
This man is either
a fool or a spy.
537
00:36:07,218 --> 00:36:09,842
Mr Nembrini? Asks you,
business card please.
538
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:14,674
An ambassador. Wow. I wish I
had your schmoozing skills.
539
00:36:14,842 --> 00:36:19,010
- That's why you have me.
- Don't know any banker, do you?
540
00:36:19,174 --> 00:36:22,382
Bankers? Are you on some kind
of assignment or something?
541
00:36:24,342 --> 00:36:29,802
I'm relationship
cultivating, and not well.
542
00:36:29,966 --> 00:36:34,010
- Let me help.
- No, this is serious.
543
00:36:34,174 --> 00:36:36,466
I know it's serious. Trust me.
544
00:36:38,926 --> 00:36:42,342
- Any luck?
- No. No bites.
545
00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:45,258
Is there some kinda trick to it?
546
00:36:45,426 --> 00:36:48,426
It's all about finding
the pressure point.
547
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:51,218
Everything else is
just pushing 'em.
548
00:36:53,218 --> 00:36:55,842
Looks like you're being summoned.
549
00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:03,426
Marwan, may I interrupt?
This is my boyfriend Dave.
550
00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:05,926
- Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
551
00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:08,802
Marwan works at Monfort.
We were talking
552
00:37:08,966 --> 00:37:13,050
and after last week he may be
able to give you some tips.
553
00:37:13,218 --> 00:37:16,302
- Gentlemen, I'll see you inside.
- Last week?
554
00:37:16,466 --> 00:37:20,174
He's embarrassed. It was
a lot of money for us.
555
00:37:22,382 --> 00:37:26,926
Day trading is a perilous sport.
You shouldn't be ashamed of it.
556
00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:30,510
Yeah. I'm gonna grab some
food. See you guys inside?
557
00:37:30,674 --> 00:37:32,634
Sure.
558
00:37:32,802 --> 00:37:35,674
- You have a lovely girlfriend.
- Thank you so much.
559
00:37:35,842 --> 00:37:38,111
You know I work in
IT, and so I just
560
00:37:38,112 --> 00:37:40,134
figured I could crack the market
561
00:37:40,302 --> 00:37:42,134
like a weak network.
562
00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:45,758
May I ask how precipitous
were your losses?
563
00:37:45,926 --> 00:37:50,134
Well, I told Lindsay it was
20,000, but between you and me
564
00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:54,842
it was closer to 45. I
tried to recoup, but
565
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:57,390
that was a mistake, and now
without any real grounding,
566
00:37:57,391 --> 00:37:59,302
I feel like I'm just
sliding out of control.
567
00:37:59,466 --> 00:38:02,457
I've seen it many times
and I'm always happy to
568
00:38:02,458 --> 00:38:05,634
help a man break a bad habit
before it gets going.
569
00:38:05,802 --> 00:38:08,010
Well, thank you, I
really appreciate it.
570
00:38:09,134 --> 00:38:12,510
It's the cleanest
Pakistani I've ever seen.
571
00:38:12,674 --> 00:38:14,897
You got no first degree ties to
572
00:38:14,898 --> 00:38:17,550
government or ISI.
No shady family.
573
00:38:17,718 --> 00:38:19,864
Second degree contacts are
off the charts, but that's
574
00:38:19,865 --> 00:38:22,010
everyone in the Middle East
with a six-figure income.
575
00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:23,808
It's not dirt that we need
576
00:38:23,809 --> 00:38:26,134
necessarily. It's
a pressure point.
577
00:38:26,302 --> 00:38:29,240
Something intimate.
Some kind of weakness.
578
00:38:29,241 --> 00:38:31,426
Can we look through his family?
579
00:38:33,258 --> 00:38:37,010
How about his sister-in-law?
580
00:38:41,966 --> 00:38:45,234
What is that? Is that some
video that she sent somebody?
581
00:38:45,235 --> 00:38:46,342
No, this is live.
582
00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:49,550
- Out of Paris.
- What do you mean "live"?
583
00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:52,674
Optic Nerve. It's camera
and mic activation.
584
00:38:52,842 --> 00:38:54,926
I wish we could take credit,
but the Brits wrote it.
585
00:38:55,090 --> 00:39:00,050
- Activation?
- Yeah, her laptop's off.
586
00:39:00,218 --> 00:39:02,305
Or was. She just forgot to close
it. Of course, how would she
587
00:39:02,306 --> 00:39:04,426
now? The shit is so sly the webcam
light doesn't even turn on.
588
00:39:12,302 --> 00:39:16,466
I've always wondered
what was under those.
589
00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:25,758
Let's stick to family
in Geneva. Alright?
590
00:39:25,926 --> 00:39:28,882
Okay, Snow White.
591
00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:33,258
15-year-old daughter at
the International School.
592
00:39:33,426 --> 00:39:37,718
- Facebook? Is that possible?
- Dude, Facebook is my bitch.
593
00:39:37,882 --> 00:39:42,218
Seriously? If she fights
with her parents...
594
00:39:42,382 --> 00:39:45,842
Don't worry. I know all the
hooks for this kinda fishing.
595
00:39:47,382 --> 00:39:50,342
Query name? E-mail, keyword,
whatever selector we want.
596
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:54,718
And justification
is where I write.
597
00:39:56,758 --> 00:40:00,010
In other words, turning her
daddy into a CIA informant.
598
00:40:00,174 --> 00:40:02,302
- That's it?
- That's it, bro.
599
00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:06,010
You don't have to get
a FISA court order?
600
00:40:06,174 --> 00:40:08,342
No, not here.
XKeyscore's under 702
601
00:40:08,343 --> 00:40:10,510
authority, which
means no warrants.
602
00:40:10,674 --> 00:40:14,382
Okay, but US targets, then you'd
have to get the court order?
603
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:17,966
You mean FISA? Yeah, that's just
a big-ass rubber stamp, dude.
604
00:40:18,134 --> 00:40:19,680
I mean, FISA judges
are all appointed by
605
00:40:19,681 --> 00:40:21,302
the chief justice, who's
like, you know...
606
00:40:23,634 --> 00:40:27,758
Darth Vader when it comes
to national security. Boom.
607
00:40:31,342 --> 00:40:36,718
And the boy, third base, is...
608
00:40:38,050 --> 00:40:40,510
Nadim. Okay.
609
00:40:42,218 --> 00:40:44,800
He's 18. Salma says
she wants to marry
610
00:40:44,801 --> 00:40:47,382
him. But she's scared
of her parents.
611
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:51,966
And what she does not know
is that his other name is...
612
00:40:52,134 --> 00:40:54,302
Nicolas.
613
00:40:54,466 --> 00:40:58,550
And he's currently banging
Geraldine and Julie.
614
00:40:58,718 --> 00:41:00,718
And...
615
00:41:03,926 --> 00:41:08,426
He and his Turkish mother
are here illegally.
616
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:14,590
That's it.
617
00:41:27,590 --> 00:41:31,926
- What are we doing here?
- You're making people very happy.
618
00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:35,201
Mr Marwan's bank handles
serious Saudi money
619
00:41:35,202 --> 00:41:38,174
and a whole bunch of
Russian billionaires.
620
00:41:38,342 --> 00:41:43,174
What about any al Qaeda
money? Anything promising?
621
00:41:43,342 --> 00:41:47,550
Ed, I'm up for a promotion soon;
I will not forget my friends.
622
00:41:47,718 --> 00:41:50,805
Thank you. This is all
going kinda fast.
623
00:41:50,806 --> 00:41:53,590
I just sent some
initial background.
624
00:41:53,758 --> 00:41:56,802
- There he is. The man.
- Hello, Marwan.
625
00:41:56,966 --> 00:42:01,382
- Dave. How wonderful to see you.
- Good to see you too.
626
00:42:01,550 --> 00:42:05,674
I counting, Marwan. You snuck in
an extra half hour back there.
627
00:42:05,842 --> 00:42:09,966
I'm afraid she was merely
listening to an old man's woes.
628
00:42:10,134 --> 00:42:13,510
- Oh, I see.
- How are you, Marwan?
629
00:42:15,758 --> 00:42:19,302
I must tell you,
Dave, since we met
630
00:42:19,466 --> 00:42:23,050
my life has got
somewhat topsy-turvy.
631
00:42:23,218 --> 00:42:25,758
I'm sorry to hear that.
632
00:42:25,926 --> 00:42:30,426
But your colleague Charles has
graciously offered his help.
633
00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:33,434
So I owe him and you a great deal.
634
00:42:33,435 --> 00:42:35,510
Can I ask what happened?
635
00:42:35,674 --> 00:42:38,718
My daughter had a...
636
00:42:38,882 --> 00:42:43,342
Marwan's daughter took too many
sleeping pills. She's alright.
637
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:44,986
It had something to do with her
638
00:42:44,987 --> 00:42:46,842
boyfriend, who was
recently deported.
639
00:42:47,010 --> 00:42:49,674
We're trying to secure
a visa for him.
640
00:42:49,842 --> 00:42:54,134
Even so, I'm afraid
that Salma will...
641
00:42:54,302 --> 00:42:57,802
I'm sorry. I won't trouble
you with such matters.
642
00:42:57,966 --> 00:43:03,090
Hey. Talk as much as you want.
Alright? Family comes first.
643
00:43:16,342 --> 00:43:19,302
Where is my beauty?
644
00:43:19,466 --> 00:43:22,882
I'm never like this.
645
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:27,966
You sit down, huh? Just sit tight.
646
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:33,510
What the fuck's going on?
647
00:43:33,674 --> 00:43:36,043
I've been acting quickly
and effectively on
648
00:43:36,044 --> 00:43:38,466
very good signals
intelligence you provided.
649
00:43:38,634 --> 00:43:42,926
- And if his daughter had died?
- We could've used that, too.
650
00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:46,258
Are you serious? What, in
the name of a promotion?
651
00:43:48,342 --> 00:43:51,510
Marwan can't be away from
his family right now.
652
00:43:51,674 --> 00:43:54,112
So in the morning,
when he's facing
653
00:43:54,113 --> 00:43:56,550
jail, we're gonna
offer him a deal.
654
00:43:56,718 --> 00:43:58,882
- And he won't turn it down.
- Jail? For what?
655
00:43:59,050 --> 00:44:01,815
Drunk driving. Now, I
want you to call the
656
00:44:01,816 --> 00:44:04,258
police. Tell 'em you
saw a Mercedes...
657
00:44:04,426 --> 00:44:07,674
No, he's not driving right now.
Look at him, he'll kill himself.
658
00:44:10,258 --> 00:44:13,090
- Okay. I'll call 'em.
- Hey.
659
00:44:13,258 --> 00:44:15,674
He's not driving.
660
00:44:15,842 --> 00:44:21,674
Remind me, are you authorised on
any of the NSA programs you use?
661
00:44:21,842 --> 00:44:25,218
So we're both doing a
little fucked up shit here?
662
00:44:25,382 --> 00:44:29,466
- Watch yourself, Ed.
- I will tell him who you are.
663
00:44:29,634 --> 00:44:32,418
You reveal the identity
of an undercover officer,
664
00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:35,258
you're going to jail for a
lot longer than Marwan.
665
00:44:56,134 --> 00:44:59,758
- Hey.
- Sorry I'm so late.
666
00:45:01,550 --> 00:45:03,842
How was work?
667
00:45:05,802 --> 00:45:08,466
It was...
668
00:45:08,634 --> 00:45:10,426
alright.
669
00:45:10,590 --> 00:45:16,674
I have to wake up in like, three
hours. My flight's at seven.
670
00:45:20,382 --> 00:45:23,758
Better be quick, then.
671
00:46:08,218 --> 00:46:11,590
I will provide our intelligence
and law enforcement agencies
672
00:46:11,758 --> 00:46:14,426
with tools they need to track
and take out the terrorists
673
00:46:14,590 --> 00:46:17,758
without undermining our
Constitution and our freedom.
674
00:46:17,926 --> 00:46:21,510
That means no more illegal
wiretapping of American citizens.
675
00:46:21,674 --> 00:46:26,382
No more ignoring the law
when it is inconvenient.
676
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:29,010
- Hey hon.
- Hey.
677
00:46:29,174 --> 00:46:33,010
What happened to the London trip?
678
00:46:33,174 --> 00:46:35,426
Turns out I'm not going.
679
00:46:38,674 --> 00:46:41,802
What's going on? Who's winning?
680
00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:48,342
Still early.
681
00:46:52,674 --> 00:46:57,258
- Obama ahead 67% to 32%.
- Come on, big ears.
682
00:46:57,426 --> 00:46:59,966
Check out Florida.
683
00:47:04,382 --> 00:47:07,134
Holy shit, he's gonna win it.
684
00:47:07,302 --> 00:47:09,050
- Florida?
- Yeah.
685
00:47:09,218 --> 00:47:12,634
- That's big.
- It's huge.
686
00:47:12,802 --> 00:47:17,090
You can act nonchalant, but I know
you are starting to root for him.
687
00:47:17,258 --> 00:47:19,340
I've been watching your
inner liberal grow. Which I
688
00:47:19,341 --> 00:47:21,302
will take a modest percentage
of the credit for.
689
00:47:21,466 --> 00:47:24,342
And you deserve it.
690
00:47:26,926 --> 00:47:29,218
What is this?
691
00:47:32,634 --> 00:47:34,842
Oh, yeah, that. Just
leave that there.
692
00:47:36,758 --> 00:47:41,842
Russian hackers. Agency says
they can activate webcams now.
693
00:47:42,010 --> 00:47:45,802
- That's creepy.
- Yeah, it's bothering me.
694
00:47:45,966 --> 00:47:49,491
Whatever. It's not a big deal.
You shouldn't even bother you.
695
00:47:49,492 --> 00:47:50,758
It's not a big deal?
696
00:47:50,926 --> 00:47:54,050
What, that someone could
be watching you right now?
697
00:47:54,218 --> 00:47:57,758
No, I'm not hiding anything.
698
00:47:57,926 --> 00:48:00,299
That's such a bullshit line.
699
00:48:00,301 --> 00:48:02,843
- What is?
- Nothing to hide.
700
00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:06,090
- I don't.
- Everyone does.
701
00:48:06,258 --> 00:48:09,302
Okay, well then what
do I have to hide?
702
00:48:09,466 --> 00:48:13,218
- Forget it.
- No. What have I have to hide?
703
00:48:13,382 --> 00:48:14,425
No, let's just drop it.
704
00:48:14,426 --> 00:48:16,802
Apparently you think that
I'm hiding something, so...
705
00:48:16,966 --> 00:48:19,489
Okay, the other day your
computer was open and I
706
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:22,218
happened to notice you were
on the site where we met
707
00:48:22,382 --> 00:48:24,092
and you're looking at other guys.
708
00:48:24,093 --> 00:48:26,134
So you just were looking
at my computer?
709
00:48:26,302 --> 00:48:28,221
I wouldn't have even
brought this up.
710
00:48:28,222 --> 00:48:30,090
You asked me what
do I have to hide,
711
00:48:30,258 --> 00:48:33,966
that's something
you're not telling me.
712
00:48:36,218 --> 00:48:38,045
Well, it's... it's
not... I don't do
713
00:48:38,046 --> 00:48:40,218
anything. I don't meet
any of those people.
714
00:48:43,718 --> 00:48:45,731
You're gone for weeks
at a time. So it's
715
00:48:45,732 --> 00:48:47,842
like I'm peering into
other people's lives
716
00:48:48,010 --> 00:48:51,134
because my own is just
temporarily on hold.
717
00:48:51,302 --> 00:48:55,010
- That sounds like an excuse.
- It's the truth.
718
00:49:11,174 --> 00:49:17,466
I should've told you,
and I didn't. Sorry.
719
00:49:17,634 --> 00:49:20,926
But it's not a big deal.
720
00:49:33,634 --> 00:49:37,342
Look at me. I don't
want anyone else.
721
00:49:38,426 --> 00:49:43,050
I do not want any
other life. Okay?
722
00:49:58,010 --> 00:50:00,382
Listen...
723
00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:07,134
I didn't go to London
today because I resigned.
724
00:50:07,302 --> 00:50:08,552
What?
725
00:50:08,553 --> 00:50:12,302
Personal differences. A
matter of principle.
726
00:50:13,882 --> 00:50:16,258
Can you tell me anything else?
727
00:50:19,342 --> 00:50:23,758
- Did you get reposted?
- No, I resigned the CIA.
728
00:50:24,966 --> 00:50:27,245
So what does that
mean? What do we do.
729
00:50:27,246 --> 00:50:28,246
I don't know.
730
00:50:28,302 --> 00:50:31,634
I'll figure it out, but listen...
731
00:50:32,882 --> 00:50:36,090
This is a good thing. Trust me.
732
00:50:40,926 --> 00:50:43,302
I do.
733
00:50:54,802 --> 00:50:57,466
He's gonna win.
734
00:50:59,134 --> 00:51:01,510
He better.
735
00:51:01,674 --> 00:51:05,173
CNN can now project that
Barack Obama, 47 years old,
736
00:51:05,174 --> 00:51:08,342
will become the president
of the United States.
737
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:11,009
Every agency and
department should know
738
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:13,758
that this administration
stands on the side
739
00:51:13,926 --> 00:51:16,096
not on those who seek
to withhold information
740
00:51:16,097 --> 00:51:17,842
but those who seek
to make it known.
741
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:22,897
Janine is the website
editor of a small,
742
00:51:22,898 --> 00:51:25,080
stateside office of
a British newspaper
743
00:51:25,244 --> 00:51:28,288
up against the most powerful
government in the world.
744
00:51:28,452 --> 00:51:29,788
She won't be bullied.
745
00:51:29,952 --> 00:51:31,727
We need to establish
that we're not
746
00:51:31,728 --> 00:51:33,996
compromising national
security by publishing.
747
00:51:33,997 --> 00:51:35,536
We need to have alternatives.
748
00:51:35,704 --> 00:51:38,211
Listen, Ed. The real
issue here is the day
749
00:51:38,212 --> 00:51:40,660
the White House are
aware that Janine has
750
00:51:40,828 --> 00:51:43,952
leaked, top secret
FISA court order,
751
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,547
anything could happen.
They subpoena
752
00:51:45,548 --> 00:51:46,743
the Guardian. For that matter,
753
00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:49,288
they could break through that door
any minute ending all of this.
754
00:51:50,412 --> 00:51:53,653
We are running out of time.
We seriously have to think
755
00:51:53,654 --> 00:51:56,952
about doing this on our own
website. We have no choice.
756
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,744
You can't just start dumping
articles on the internet.
757
00:52:00,912 --> 00:52:03,744
Look at Wikileaks. It
destroyed their credibility.
758
00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:06,574
Look, Ed, you said it
yourself, if this isn't done
759
00:52:06,575 --> 00:52:09,080
properly, the world isn't
going to take notice.
760
00:52:09,244 --> 00:52:12,147
You need experienced
journalists to lead the public
761
00:52:12,148 --> 00:52:14,660
through some very, very
complicated stories.
762
00:52:14,828 --> 00:52:18,244
- We are experienced journalists.
- My feeling...
763
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:29,080
- Has anyone called here before?
- Not once. Not in three weeks.
764
00:52:29,244 --> 00:52:32,496
Well, shall I answer it? Tell
them it's a wrong number.
765
00:52:33,912 --> 00:52:35,368
Yes?
766
00:52:36,536 --> 00:52:38,744
No I don't.
767
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:41,580
Okay. Thank you.
768
00:52:43,496 --> 00:52:46,452
Asked if I wanted turndown
service and she said
769
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:50,204
the "do not disturb"
sign was off the door.
770
00:53:06,412 --> 00:53:07,828
So?
771
00:53:08,788 --> 00:53:11,620
Do we wait or go on our own?
772
00:53:13,580 --> 00:53:16,230
Look, I said from the
beginning that how you
773
00:53:16,231 --> 00:53:18,704
publish is your business
and I trust you.
774
00:53:18,868 --> 00:53:22,496
The only thing I ask is you study
the data and you be responsible.
775
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:25,056
No names. No specifics.
Anything ongoing
776
00:53:25,057 --> 00:53:27,160
that's critical,
you don't release.
777
00:53:27,328 --> 00:53:28,831
Just stick to the issue of mass
778
00:53:28,832 --> 00:53:30,868
surveillance, and let
the people decide.
779
00:53:31,036 --> 00:53:33,090
You have our word
on that, but that's
780
00:53:33,091 --> 00:53:35,036
not the question.
We have to ask...
781
00:53:36,036 --> 00:53:38,308
Right now the White House
is arranging a conference
782
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:40,536
call between Janine and the
intelligence services.
783
00:53:40,704 --> 00:53:43,085
Now that's gonna happen in a few
784
00:53:43,086 --> 00:53:45,912
hours. Let's at least
wait for that.
785
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,744
See what they say to her.
786
00:53:51,996 --> 00:53:54,080
I say we pause a moment.
787
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:57,870
Yeah, I think we
should reassemble in
788
00:53:57,871 --> 00:54:00,080
this room after the
call takes place.
789
00:54:00,244 --> 00:54:02,962
So that's around midnight;
be noon in New York.
790
00:54:02,963 --> 00:54:03,963
Alright.
791
00:54:04,788 --> 00:54:07,580
I'll take another pass at the
PRISM story in the meantime.
792
00:54:07,744 --> 00:54:12,080
We'll be in our hotel room
if you need us, okay?
793
00:54:21,368 --> 00:54:24,660
You mind, maybe we take a break
from that? For a second.
794
00:54:26,828 --> 00:54:28,952
Yes, sorry.
795
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,849
You wanna take a look?
Might make you feel
796
00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:34,704
better. It's not recording,
just on standby.
797
00:54:39,368 --> 00:54:43,328
When did this start for you?
Not wanting your photo taken?
798
00:54:43,496 --> 00:54:46,366
Probably in Japan.
Remember every time
799
00:54:46,367 --> 00:54:48,868
a camera pointed at me, it was...
800
00:54:49,868 --> 00:54:53,120
- I couldn't breathe.
- Why was that?
801
00:54:53,288 --> 00:54:55,747
I probably spent too
much time looking
802
00:54:55,748 --> 00:54:57,828
at other people through cameras.
803
00:54:58,868 --> 00:55:01,244
Japan was your first
NSA job, right?
804
00:55:01,412 --> 00:55:06,120
Yeah, well as a contractor;
Dell. I had a lot of access.
805
00:55:06,288 --> 00:55:09,580
Why'd you go back after Geneva?
806
00:55:11,828 --> 00:55:15,288
Because of the money, and because
I wanted to live in Japan.
807
00:55:15,452 --> 00:55:17,709
And because of Obama,
actually. You know, I
808
00:55:17,710 --> 00:55:20,120
thought things were gonna
get better with him.
809
00:55:23,452 --> 00:55:25,328
I was wrong.
810
00:55:28,412 --> 00:55:30,620
YOKOTA AIR BASE, TOKYO 2009
811
00:55:30,788 --> 00:55:33,036
What was it like there?
812
00:55:33,204 --> 00:55:34,941
Well, the first part
of my day, I was
813
00:55:34,942 --> 00:55:36,952
building this round-the-clock
backup system
814
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,244
called Epic Shelter.
815
00:55:39,412 --> 00:55:42,275
So if there was some
catastrophe, say
816
00:55:42,276 --> 00:55:44,912
terrorists burn down every embassy
817
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,868
and NSA post in the the Middle
East, this program would ensure
818
00:55:49,036 --> 00:55:51,996
we wouldn't lose any of that data.
819
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,368
But then I would have to put it
aside when visitors would show.
820
00:55:56,536 --> 00:56:02,368
NSA wanted to impress the
Japanese. Show them our reach.
821
00:56:02,536 --> 00:56:05,828
They loved the live drone feeds.
822
00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:09,620
This is Pakistan right now.
823
00:56:12,828 --> 00:56:16,368
They were not as thrilled to learn
that we wanted them to help us
824
00:56:16,536 --> 00:56:19,536
spy on the Japanese population.
825
00:56:19,704 --> 00:56:22,244
They said it was
against their laws.
826
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:26,704
Of course, we tapped the
entire country anyway.
827
00:56:26,868 --> 00:56:30,788
And we didn't stop there. Once we
owned their communication systems
828
00:56:30,952 --> 00:56:33,868
started going after the
physical infrastructure.
829
00:56:34,036 --> 00:56:37,183
We'd slipped these
little sleeper programs
830
00:56:37,184 --> 00:56:39,744
into power grids, dams, hospitals.
831
00:56:39,912 --> 00:56:44,452
And the idea was if the day came
when Japan was no longer an ally
832
00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:47,160
it'd be lights out.
833
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:51,471
And it wasn't just
the Japanese. We
834
00:56:51,472 --> 00:56:53,204
were planting malware in Mexico,
835
00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:56,204
Germany, Brazil, Austria.
836
00:56:57,704 --> 00:57:02,120
I mean, China I can understand. Or
Russia or Iran. Venezuela, okay.
837
00:57:02,288 --> 00:57:04,412
But, Austria?
838
00:57:05,412 --> 00:57:07,952
You're also being
ordered to follow most
839
00:57:07,953 --> 00:57:10,244
world leaders and
heads of industry.
840
00:57:10,412 --> 00:57:13,044
You know, you're
tracking trade deals,
841
00:57:13,045 --> 00:57:15,204
sex scandals, diplomatic cables
842
00:57:15,368 --> 00:57:19,288
to give the US an advantage
in negotiations at the G8
843
00:57:19,452 --> 00:57:22,996
or leverage over
Brazilian oil companies.
844
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,421
Or helping to oust
some third world
845
00:57:25,422 --> 00:57:27,368
leader who's not playing ball.
846
00:57:28,788 --> 00:57:31,517
And ultimately the truth
sinks in that no matter
847
00:57:31,518 --> 00:57:33,912
what justification
you're selling yourself
848
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,868
this is not about terrorism.
849
00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:39,660
Terrorism is the excuse.
850
00:57:42,452 --> 00:57:47,160
This is about economic
and social control.
851
00:57:48,828 --> 00:57:51,566
And the only thing
you're really protecting
852
00:57:51,567 --> 00:57:53,868
is the supremacy of
your government.
853
00:58:03,036 --> 00:58:06,288
Did you think about going
to journalists then?
854
00:58:06,452 --> 00:58:10,368
No, that wouldn't have
occurred to me back then.
855
00:58:10,536 --> 00:58:15,328
I thought that the system
will self correct.
856
00:58:15,496 --> 00:58:19,328
The President will keep the
promise that got him elected.
857
00:58:20,704 --> 00:58:24,244
That's actually when I started
reading about you and your films.
858
00:58:24,412 --> 00:58:26,631
It was in Glenn's
blog, you were being
859
00:58:26,632 --> 00:58:28,452
detained in airports for hours?
860
00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:32,580
37 times. Investigating
your own country's wars.
861
00:58:32,744 --> 00:58:36,160
That's why I'm going
back to Berlin to edit.
862
00:58:36,328 --> 00:58:39,452
- You can trust me with this.
- I do.
863
00:58:40,912 --> 00:58:45,120
I haven't trusted anyone in years.
864
00:58:48,244 --> 00:58:53,452
It was a welcome change when they
put me on terrorism watch duty.
865
00:58:54,368 --> 00:58:58,204
Every day I'd go in and I'd get
starting points for SIGINT.
866
00:58:58,368 --> 00:59:00,828
Signals intelligence.
867
00:59:02,036 --> 00:59:05,580
A lot of them were American,
which felt strange
868
00:59:05,744 --> 00:59:08,036
but you just keep
reminding yourself
869
00:59:08,204 --> 00:59:12,080
I could stop a dirty bomb attack
and save thousands of lives.
870
00:59:12,704 --> 00:59:15,511
Thing is, you're not just
following your bad guy
871
00:59:15,512 --> 00:59:18,204
targets, you're also
following their metadata.
872
00:59:18,368 --> 00:59:20,608
Which is basically, all the phone
873
00:59:20,609 --> 00:59:23,120
numbers that they're
in touch with.
874
00:59:23,288 --> 00:59:26,797
Let's say your target
is a shady Iranian
875
00:59:26,798 --> 00:59:29,536
banker operating out of Beirut.
876
00:59:29,704 --> 00:59:32,230
Okay, so, you're watching
his stuff, but you're
877
00:59:32,231 --> 00:59:34,704
also watching all the
people that he talks to.
878
00:59:34,868 --> 00:59:37,401
Including, you know,
his cousin who's
879
00:59:37,402 --> 00:59:39,868
just some dentist
living in Buffalo.
880
00:59:40,036 --> 00:59:43,368
And then you've gotta watch
all of that guy's contacts.
881
00:59:43,536 --> 00:59:46,016
And by the time you go a
third hop out from the
882
00:59:46,017 --> 00:59:48,496
original target, you're
watching this bartender
883
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:51,996
chat with her mother about Botox.
884
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,496
Because three hops from anyone
with, say, 40 contacts...
885
00:59:56,660 --> 01:00:00,328
you're looking at a list
of 2.5 million people.
886
01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:05,806
And there's that moment
when you're sitting
887
01:00:05,807 --> 01:00:08,412
there and the scale
of it hits you.
888
01:00:08,580 --> 01:00:12,828
The NSA is really tracking
every cell phone in the world.
889
01:00:12,996 --> 01:00:15,048
No matter who you
are, every day of
890
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:17,328
your life, you're
sitting in a database
891
01:00:17,496 --> 01:00:20,580
just ready to be looked at.
892
01:00:20,744 --> 01:00:22,912
I AGREE TO THE TERMS OF SERVICE
AND THE PRIVACY POLICY
893
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,204
Not just terrorists or
countries or corporations.
894
01:00:35,368 --> 01:00:37,160
But you.
895
01:00:45,328 --> 01:00:47,704
Was Lindsay with you in Japan?
896
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,452
Japan was difficult for us.
897
01:00:55,412 --> 01:00:57,818
I guess you couldn't
talk about your work.
898
01:00:57,819 --> 01:00:58,819
No.
899
01:01:00,952 --> 01:01:03,828
There was this one night,
900
01:01:03,996 --> 01:01:08,620
towards the end, we were supposed
to go climb Mt. Fuji the next day.
901
01:01:19,452 --> 01:01:22,371
Wow. Are you gonna
post that on Twitter?
902
01:01:22,372 --> 01:01:24,204
No. They're just for me.
903
01:01:25,288 --> 01:01:30,160
- What do you think?
- You should delete those.
904
01:01:30,328 --> 01:01:33,452
It's not quite the artistic
critique I was going for.
905
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:35,781
I'm sorry, you just...
you can't have
906
01:01:35,782 --> 01:01:37,828
stuff like that on
your hard drive.
907
01:01:37,996 --> 01:01:39,006
Yes I can.
908
01:01:39,007 --> 01:01:42,036
Can you just please, I'm asking
you, can you delete them?
909
01:01:42,868 --> 01:01:46,036
- Russian hackers again?
- No.
910
01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:49,328
Is it us?
911
01:01:52,036 --> 01:01:55,580
- It's classified.
- Am I a target?
912
01:01:55,744 --> 01:01:56,921
Of course not.
913
01:01:56,922 --> 01:02:00,452
Clearly someone is looking
at my nude portraits.
914
01:02:00,912 --> 01:02:02,871
Okay, I shouldn't
have brought it up.
915
01:02:02,872 --> 01:02:05,036
Alright, it's skews
of national security.
916
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,518
Well, I am flattered that my boobs
917
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:10,082
are considered an
issue of national
918
01:02:10,083 --> 01:02:12,704
security, but you're gonna have
to do a lot better than that.
919
01:02:12,868 --> 01:02:15,952
I'd rather not talk about stuff
that could land us in jail.
920
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,665
So that's what the band-aids are
921
01:02:17,666 --> 01:02:19,452
about then? And
your camera phobia.
922
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:23,328
Because of work? Are
they watching us?
923
01:02:23,496 --> 01:02:24,814
Who are they watching?
924
01:02:24,815 --> 01:02:27,120
No one, okay. Let's
just stop talking.
925
01:02:28,412 --> 01:02:31,778
Let's go to bed, and
wake up in the morning,
926
01:02:31,779 --> 01:02:34,620
go climb this fucking
mountain. Okay?
927
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:38,082
Of course we're not
gonna talk about it.
928
01:02:38,083 --> 01:02:39,204
What is that supposed to mean?
929
01:02:39,368 --> 01:02:42,244
It means that we don't talk
about anything any more.
930
01:02:42,412 --> 01:02:45,412
You work 12 hour days,
you come home depressed.
931
01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:48,080
You play fucking video games
and then you fall asleep.
932
01:02:48,244 --> 01:02:50,489
Yeah, I'm tired because I have
a job, that's what pays for
933
01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:52,620
this apartment in the most
expensive city in the world.
934
01:02:52,788 --> 01:02:54,842
Which you asked me
to come to, knowing
935
01:02:54,843 --> 01:02:56,580
that I did not have a work visa.
936
01:02:56,744 --> 01:02:59,492
Okay, what if you had one, would
you really give up your beautiful
937
01:02:59,493 --> 01:03:01,788
life of eating and sleeping
and going out all the time?
938
01:03:01,952 --> 01:03:03,725
You think you'd
really want a career?
939
01:03:03,726 --> 01:03:04,744
A career like yours?
940
01:03:04,912 --> 01:03:07,160
Where I'm miserable
all the time? No.
941
01:03:07,328 --> 01:03:10,620
That's called responsibility.
942
01:03:10,788 --> 01:03:12,452
Fuck this.
943
01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:14,753
You know what? You have
no idea what it's like
944
01:03:14,754 --> 01:03:16,704
to be accountable for
other people's lives.
945
01:03:16,868 --> 01:03:19,291
Because you live in a
fairytale land where just,
946
01:03:19,292 --> 01:03:21,912
there are no consequences
and no one ever gets hurt.
947
01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:29,912
No. No you, you don't get hurt.
948
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,400
I get fucking crushed.
949
01:03:32,401 --> 01:03:34,828
Fucking bullshit, I've
done nothing to you.
950
01:03:34,996 --> 01:03:37,328
That's exactly right,
you've done nothing.
951
01:03:37,496 --> 01:03:40,452
You don't hang out with me.
You don't laugh with me.
952
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:43,120
You don't even fucking
touch me any more.
953
01:03:45,204 --> 01:03:47,952
- Sorry.
- Stop. No.
954
01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,578
We never made it to Mount Fuji.
955
01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:08,204
Lindsay left pretty
soon after that.
956
01:04:10,952 --> 01:04:13,970
I was very lonely there.
After three months,
957
01:04:13,971 --> 01:04:16,452
I left too, I went
back to Maryland.
958
01:04:44,328 --> 01:04:48,912
I promised her I'd change, and
we moved back in together.
959
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,305
Make sure your knees
stay bent, and then you
960
01:04:51,306 --> 01:04:53,580
can fully extend once
you feel stable. Ready?
961
01:04:53,744 --> 01:04:58,620
1, 2, 3. All the way up. And you
wanna clench between your knees.
962
01:04:58,788 --> 01:05:02,244
It'll burn, but it's a
good burn. Perfect.
963
01:05:02,412 --> 01:05:04,496
Twirl around.
964
01:05:05,496 --> 01:05:07,912
Perfect. Oh my god,
I'm so proud of you.
965
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,612
When you're really
happy, there's a large
966
01:05:10,613 --> 01:05:13,204
part of you that just
wants to stay happy.
967
01:05:17,288 --> 01:05:21,244
You start to think: What can
be more important than this?
968
01:05:21,412 --> 01:05:25,912
What? Oh my god,
it's so beautiful.
969
01:05:27,288 --> 01:05:31,204
You know, lots of people
cruise happily through life.
970
01:05:32,704 --> 01:05:35,204
Why can't I?
971
01:05:35,368 --> 01:05:38,288
A MAN'S USEFULNESS DEPENDS UPON
HIS LMNG UP TO HIS IDEALS
972
01:05:43,412 --> 01:05:45,620
I went back to work for the CIA.
973
01:05:46,744 --> 01:05:50,244
My official title was
solutions consultant.
974
01:05:50,412 --> 01:05:53,788
Basically I was hawking
overpriced hardware for a living.
975
01:05:53,952 --> 01:05:55,899
But I thought you'd resigned.
976
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:58,536
It was all contract
work after Geneva.
977
01:05:58,704 --> 01:06:02,331
You know, it's Booz
Allen Hamilton or Dell
978
01:06:02,332 --> 01:06:05,536
in partnership with
CIA, or NSA, DIA.
979
01:06:06,580 --> 01:06:10,704
It's the intelligence
community's revolving door.
980
01:06:11,952 --> 01:06:14,868
How was it, being
back in the States?
981
01:06:15,036 --> 01:06:16,744
It was...
982
01:06:16,912 --> 01:06:19,452
It was really good to be home.
983
01:06:20,536 --> 01:06:24,412
But Maryland was where things
started to turn for me.
984
01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:28,738
Every time I felt like I was
finally letting go of all the
985
01:06:28,739 --> 01:06:32,120
anxiety and all the questions
that used to keep me up at night,
986
01:06:32,288 --> 01:06:36,912
I'd learn something else and
I just couldn't ignore it.
987
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,359
Like, there were these
three high-level officials
988
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,704
at the NSA. Bill Binney,
Ed Loomis and Kirk Wiebe.
989
01:06:43,868 --> 01:06:45,789
They'd been filing
complaints about
990
01:06:45,790 --> 01:06:47,496
abuses and overreach for years.
991
01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:51,868
That's all they did, they
just filed complaints.
992
01:06:52,036 --> 01:06:54,952
And the FBI raided their homes.
993
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,912
And then there was Thomas Drake.
Like the other three guys,
994
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,120
Drake was trying to change
things from the inside.
995
01:07:01,288 --> 01:07:03,912
But when nothing worked,
he did go to the press.
996
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,630
So they hit him with
espionage act and we
997
01:07:06,631 --> 01:07:09,120
were shocked. The whole
intel community.
998
01:07:09,288 --> 01:07:11,128
Why do you think you were charged?
999
01:07:11,129 --> 01:07:12,620
To send a chilling message.
1000
01:07:12,788 --> 01:07:13,788
To whom?
1001
01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:16,452
To other whistle-blowers. To
others in the government.
1002
01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:21,120
No to speak out. Do not
tell truth to power.
1003
01:07:21,288 --> 01:07:23,368
We'll hammer you.
1004
01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:27,270
There's a new program
being developed
1005
01:07:27,271 --> 01:07:29,536
at the NSA's ops centre on Oahu.
1006
01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:34,288
You'd be going up against
Chinese cyber divisions.
1007
01:07:35,704 --> 01:07:37,704
You interested?
1008
01:07:39,288 --> 01:07:41,660
Won't be the vast sums of
money you're making now,
1009
01:07:41,828 --> 01:07:44,275
but you'll be performing
a critical service for
1010
01:07:44,276 --> 01:07:46,620
your country, I know
that's important to you.
1011
01:07:46,788 --> 01:07:50,204
- You mean service like in Geneva?
- That was a mistake.
1012
01:07:50,368 --> 01:07:52,111
Shouldn't have pushed
you into that.
1013
01:07:52,112 --> 01:07:53,452
You didn't push me into it.
1014
01:07:53,620 --> 01:07:55,647
I asked for exposure
to field ops, you gave
1015
01:07:55,648 --> 01:07:57,536
it to me. I don't hold
that against you.
1016
01:07:58,788 --> 01:08:01,744
Is there something you
do hold against me?
1017
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,956
You didn't tell me
we were running a
1018
01:08:06,957 --> 01:08:08,704
Dragnet on the whole
world, Corbin.
1019
01:08:32,704 --> 01:08:35,160
- Great shooting, Ed.
- Thank you.
1020
01:08:35,996 --> 01:08:37,828
That's terrific.
1021
01:08:37,996 --> 01:08:41,204
So, one thing in the
Army I was good at.
1022
01:08:46,368 --> 01:08:48,840
You ever think, Ed,
since the Second
1023
01:08:48,841 --> 01:08:50,912
World War, it's been 60 years,
1024
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,080
and still no WW3.
1025
01:08:54,244 --> 01:08:56,618
Why? Because we use our power,
1026
01:08:56,619 --> 01:08:59,704
generally, for the
good of the world.
1027
01:09:00,744 --> 01:09:03,536
For prosperity. Order.
1028
01:09:03,704 --> 01:09:05,851
How can we defend
ourselves against
1029
01:09:05,852 --> 01:09:07,580
nuclear war, terror attacks,
1030
01:09:07,744 --> 01:09:10,271
cyber attacks without
a centralised intel
1031
01:09:10,272 --> 01:09:13,160
factory working around
the world night and day?
1032
01:09:13,328 --> 01:09:16,788
So we should catalogue
billions of people's lives?
1033
01:09:16,952 --> 01:09:18,787
Most people already
catalogue their
1034
01:09:18,788 --> 01:09:20,368
lives with public consumption.
1035
01:09:20,536 --> 01:09:23,262
Well, they catalogue part of their
lives, and they do it by choice.
1036
01:09:23,263 --> 01:09:25,828
We're not giving them the choice.
We're just taking everything.
1037
01:09:25,996 --> 01:09:30,412
Most Americans don't want
freedom. They want security.
1038
01:09:30,580 --> 01:09:34,328
It's a simple bargain, if...
Good girl. Good girl.
1039
01:09:34,496 --> 01:09:38,288
If you want to play with all
the new toys and be safe
1040
01:09:38,452 --> 01:09:41,244
you pay the price of admission.
1041
01:09:41,412 --> 01:09:45,952
But the people, they don't even
know they've made that bargain.
1042
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,160
Where's the battlefield, soldier?
1043
01:09:50,288 --> 01:09:53,496
- Everywhere.
- What's the first rule of battle?
1044
01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:56,288
Never reveal your position.
1045
01:09:56,452 --> 01:10:01,496
And if one unauthorised person
knew? If Congress knew?
1046
01:10:01,660 --> 01:10:03,258
So would the enemy.
1047
01:10:03,259 --> 01:10:06,912
That, Mr Snowden, is the
state of the world.
1048
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,120
Secrecy is security, and
security is victory.
1049
01:10:19,036 --> 01:10:20,620
Thank you, sir.
1050
01:10:22,036 --> 01:10:24,368
Someone I want you to meet.
1051
01:10:25,244 --> 01:10:29,368
- Mr Lowell.
- Jim. How are you?
1052
01:10:29,536 --> 01:10:32,744
Dorian. Allan. Welcome to the US.
1053
01:10:32,912 --> 01:10:35,016
How'd you make out today, Corbin?
1054
01:10:35,017 --> 01:10:36,244
Aw, very mediocre.
1055
01:10:36,412 --> 01:10:38,368
Nothing like Ed here.
1056
01:10:38,536 --> 01:10:41,506
Apparently, the Army's training
people to shoot straight.
1057
01:10:41,507 --> 01:10:42,744
So this is Ed Snowden.
1058
01:10:42,912 --> 01:10:46,160
- Sir, a pleasure to meet you.
- The brains behind Epic Shelter.
1059
01:10:46,328 --> 01:10:48,412
- It's brilliant work.
- Thank you, sir.
1060
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:50,422
Yeah, I had a few questions
I wanted to ask you.
1061
01:10:50,423 --> 01:10:51,423
Jim...
1062
01:10:51,424 --> 01:10:53,735
Will you excuse me
gentlemen? Excuse me.
1063
01:10:53,736 --> 01:10:54,912
Nice to meet you.
1064
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,080
Yeah, it's proving very
useful for our UAV program.
1065
01:10:59,244 --> 01:11:02,952
Yes, I heard. With foreign
site intel transfer.
1066
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,945
The transfers happen
on collection now.
1067
01:11:04,947 --> 01:11:06,497
They go straight to the Pentagon,
1068
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:08,661
Mossad, if they
need it; actionable
1069
01:11:08,662 --> 01:11:10,496
immediately now, no one sees it.
1070
01:11:10,660 --> 01:11:12,549
It's improved the response time of
1071
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:14,660
our drone pilots by
a factor of ten.
1072
01:11:14,828 --> 01:11:18,110
Tell me, you worked signals
intelligence in Japan too, yes?
1073
01:11:18,111 --> 01:11:19,204
Yes, sir.
1074
01:11:19,368 --> 01:11:21,036
How'd you like it?
1075
01:11:21,037 --> 01:11:24,204
It was a very empowering job, sir.
1076
01:11:24,368 --> 01:11:28,912
With this new job in Hawaii,
there'd be even more access.
1077
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,036
I asked Corbin to start the
1078
01:11:31,037 --> 01:11:33,788
conversation, but
the offer is mine.
1079
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,596
Take your time. It's
gonna take a few
1080
01:11:37,597 --> 01:11:40,160
months to get this
program on its feet.
1081
01:11:40,328 --> 01:11:43,952
You'll excuse me,
gentlemen? I see dinner.
1082
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,952
- Sir, for you?
- No thank you.
1083
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,328
Epic Shelter was meant
as a backup program.
1084
01:11:57,496 --> 01:12:00,496
Lowell's creating this
position for you, Ed.
1085
01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:03,220
You'll be the first
contractor outside
1086
01:12:03,221 --> 01:12:05,452
Fort Meade working counter cyber.
1087
01:12:06,412 --> 01:12:08,620
It's your ticket to the top.
1088
01:12:19,744 --> 01:12:21,498
Do you believe the
United States is
1089
01:12:21,499 --> 01:12:23,204
the greatest country in the world?
1090
01:12:23,368 --> 01:12:25,244
Yes.
1091
01:12:26,288 --> 01:12:30,536
Have you used any programs
you were unauthorised for?
1092
01:12:36,288 --> 01:12:37,580
No.
1093
01:12:49,896 --> 01:12:52,896
We're not usually supposed
to submit our own work,
1094
01:12:53,064 --> 01:12:56,232
but my editor said she'd
make an exception.
1095
01:12:56,396 --> 01:12:58,148
Pretty neat, huh?
1096
01:13:02,896 --> 01:13:05,480
I could just submit an entry.
1097
01:13:07,896 --> 01:13:10,688
You ignoring me on
purpose or what?
1098
01:13:10,856 --> 01:13:13,064
No, sorry.
1099
01:13:14,312 --> 01:13:17,024
- I was just thinking.
- About what?
1100
01:13:22,604 --> 01:13:24,868
I wonder if... talk
to you about it at
1101
01:13:24,869 --> 01:13:27,480
dinner, but let's just,
wanna come sit down?
1102
01:13:28,812 --> 01:13:31,732
- Is everything okay?
- Yeah.
1103
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:38,648
The, the Deputy
Director of the NSA
1104
01:13:40,188 --> 01:13:42,648
he offered me a new position.
1105
01:13:42,812 --> 01:13:46,480
And that was a while back,
and now they need an answer.
1106
01:13:46,648 --> 01:13:49,440
Well, is it something
you want to do?
1107
01:13:50,564 --> 01:13:53,272
I'd be good at it.
1108
01:13:54,312 --> 01:13:56,940
Can you tell me anything about it?
1109
01:13:57,104 --> 01:14:01,688
- You know, I can't.
- I know. Mission first.
1110
01:14:03,524 --> 01:14:06,604
Are there social perks?
White House galas, maybe?
1111
01:14:06,772 --> 01:14:10,812
The position is in Hawaii.
1112
01:14:18,648 --> 01:14:22,564
We worked really hard
to get where we're at.
1113
01:14:22,732 --> 01:14:26,148
And you're willing to
just rip it all up, aye?
1114
01:14:26,312 --> 01:14:29,440
We finally have house that we
love and a job that I like,
1115
01:14:29,604 --> 01:14:32,524
And real friends, and we're
close to our families.
1116
01:14:32,688 --> 01:14:34,738
I know. I understand.
And if you want
1117
01:14:34,739 --> 01:14:36,896
to stay, then we're
staying. That's it.
1118
01:14:37,064 --> 01:14:40,024
Don't just say that
because I wanna hear it.
1119
01:14:40,188 --> 01:14:42,356
I'm not.
1120
01:14:45,232 --> 01:14:49,104
I let you go once. I'm
not gonna do it again.
1121
01:14:55,272 --> 01:14:58,896
Shit, I'm sorry. The
pasta. One second.
1122
01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:13,896
You know, I actually think I
came pretty close to getting I
1123
01:15:14,064 --> 01:15:16,940
I'm gonna get some candles.
1124
01:15:54,524 --> 01:15:56,896
Ed. Ed?
1125
01:16:14,524 --> 01:16:18,940
I know Tegretol. Know it slows you
down. I've seen it with my Mo.
1126
01:16:19,104 --> 01:16:22,024
She's taken all kinds of
medications her whole life.
1127
01:16:22,188 --> 01:16:25,148
Well, they work in 70% of cases.
1128
01:16:27,272 --> 01:16:31,940
Ed, epilepsy is a serious
condition. If you have a seizure
1129
01:16:32,104 --> 01:16:35,980
driving yourself or with
someone else in the car
1130
01:16:36,148 --> 01:16:39,312
or you're in a place
where you could fall...
1131
01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:41,985
This is not something to
be lightly regarded. It's
1132
01:16:41,986 --> 01:16:44,440
essential you commit
yourself to this medication.
1133
01:16:47,524 --> 01:16:49,188
Okay?
1134
01:16:50,564 --> 01:16:52,148
Yeah.
1135
01:16:57,524 --> 01:16:59,024
Oh, thank you.
1136
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:06,926
I've been thinking about what the
doctor said. About less stress.
1137
01:17:09,634 --> 01:17:12,382
A warmer climate could help.
1138
01:17:16,342 --> 01:17:20,426
If Hawaii is something that we
decide would be better for you,
1139
01:17:21,674 --> 01:17:24,050
I'll go.
1140
01:17:38,426 --> 01:17:39,634
HONG KONG Wednesday - June 5, 2013
1141
01:17:39,802 --> 01:17:42,634
Janine, how did the White
House conversation go?
1142
01:17:42,802 --> 01:17:44,479
I made it quite clear
that we were in
1143
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,466
possession of an authentic
FISA court order.
1144
01:17:46,856 --> 01:17:49,324
They wanted to see it;
we refused. Now I
1145
01:17:49,325 --> 01:17:51,732
just pray that it's
actually authentic.
1146
01:17:53,232 --> 01:17:55,451
Are you actually questioning that?
1147
01:17:55,452 --> 01:17:59,648
No one has ever seen a FISA court
order. There's no precedent here.
1148
01:17:59,812 --> 01:18:02,648
Our source risked his life for
that document. It's real.
1149
01:18:02,812 --> 01:18:05,338
Tell us, did the
White House make any
1150
01:18:05,339 --> 01:18:08,064
specific claims about
national security,
1151
01:18:08,232 --> 01:18:11,024
that would prevent
you from publishing?
1152
01:18:11,188 --> 01:18:16,188
No. I asked them repeatedly. And
they had no substantive answer.
1153
01:18:16,356 --> 01:18:17,961
Then there you go.
What more do you want?
1154
01:18:17,962 --> 01:18:19,604
You can go out, and
know that you're safe.
1155
01:18:19,772 --> 01:18:23,480
Glenn, I'd like to talk to
Alan before we go any further.
1156
01:18:23,648 --> 01:18:26,148
- When does he land?
- In six hours.
1157
01:18:26,312 --> 01:18:28,571
No. Absolutely not.
We're sitting ducks
1158
01:18:28,572 --> 01:18:30,604
here, Janine. It's
1pm in New York.
1159
01:18:30,772 --> 01:18:32,664
If you don't get this out
in the next four hours,
1160
01:18:32,665 --> 01:18:34,480
you'll miss the evening
news on the East Coast.
1161
01:18:34,648 --> 01:18:38,188
But we can post later tonight.
1162
01:18:38,356 --> 01:18:41,480
I'm sorry Glenn, but Alan's
our editor in chief and I...
1163
01:18:41,648 --> 01:18:44,648
Bullshit, the government knows
that we have these documents now.
1164
01:18:44,812 --> 01:18:46,938
The CIA could barge
through this door
1165
01:18:46,939 --> 01:18:48,896
any minute and you want more time.
1166
01:18:49,064 --> 01:18:51,980
Act like a fucking journalist
and stop stringing us along.
1167
01:18:52,148 --> 01:18:55,064
I just stood my ground with
the goddamn White House.
1168
01:18:55,232 --> 01:18:56,872
I've risked my
career. How dare you
1169
01:18:56,873 --> 01:18:58,604
question my commitment
to this story?
1170
01:18:58,772 --> 01:18:59,878
Okay, let's just keep on...
1171
01:18:59,879 --> 01:19:01,480
No, you're right, I
am questioning it.
1172
01:19:01,648 --> 01:19:03,896
This is absolutely inappropriate.
1173
01:19:04,064 --> 01:19:07,104
We are publishing
ourselves. You're out.
1174
01:19:17,232 --> 01:19:20,732
Alright, Glenn. We'll
have it ready by 4pm.
1175
01:19:20,896 --> 01:19:23,365
I have to go over the
story once more.
1176
01:19:23,366 --> 01:19:24,366
Why?
1177
01:19:24,367 --> 01:19:27,024
Because it still needs
editing, damn you.
1178
01:19:27,188 --> 01:19:30,064
All this fucking intelligence
jargon is hurting our brains.
1179
01:19:30,232 --> 01:19:33,094
This PRISM story is
still incomprehensible.
1180
01:19:33,095 --> 01:19:35,396
PRISM is the second story, Janine.
1181
01:19:35,564 --> 01:19:37,684
Verizon is the first
story. Have it
1182
01:19:37,685 --> 01:19:39,980
ready to post by 4pm,
5 at the latest.
1183
01:19:41,104 --> 01:19:44,648
No games, or we're gone.
1184
01:20:01,604 --> 01:20:06,148
'THE TUNNEL' NSA OPS.
CENTRE OAHU, HAWAII, 2012
1185
01:20:07,564 --> 01:20:11,356
So my new job was
counter-spying on the Chinese
1186
01:20:11,524 --> 01:20:15,396
at the NSA regional
cryptological centre on Oahu.
1187
01:20:17,980 --> 01:20:20,396
You mind placing your
bag down there, sir?
1188
01:20:21,356 --> 01:20:24,772
No personal laptops, no USB
sticks, no cell phones,
1189
01:20:24,940 --> 01:20:27,469
No electronic devices of any kind?
1190
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:28,470
No, sir.
1191
01:20:41,024 --> 01:20:42,440
Thank you.
1192
01:20:46,148 --> 01:20:49,688
Snow White, is that you?
1193
01:20:51,032 --> 01:20:52,032
Gabriel?
1194
01:20:52,033 --> 01:20:54,148
Dude, what the hell
are you doing here?
1195
01:20:54,312 --> 01:20:56,312
Wow, this is amazing.
1196
01:20:57,148 --> 01:20:58,809
What, do you work here?
1197
01:20:58,810 --> 01:21:02,396
Yeah, yeah. Three years,
two months and five days.
1198
01:21:03,564 --> 01:21:05,856
But who's counting, right?
1199
01:21:06,024 --> 01:21:08,772
It's like, who knew that a secret
underground World War 2 air base
1200
01:21:08,940 --> 01:21:11,823
would become munchy heaven
for a thousand geeks.
1201
01:21:11,824 --> 01:21:12,824
So there's good pizza?
1202
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:14,304
Good pizza, yeah,
it's important. The
1203
01:21:14,305 --> 01:21:15,524
elevator's slow as shit, though.
1204
01:21:16,524 --> 01:21:19,104
- Jesus.
- It's something else, huh?
1205
01:21:20,232 --> 01:21:23,913
So, what deck are you working on?
1206
01:21:23,914 --> 01:21:25,856
You NTOC or ROC?
1207
01:21:28,648 --> 01:21:31,604
Between you and me? NTOC.
1208
01:21:31,772 --> 01:21:34,980
Cool. You get to hack the hackers.
You're coming up in the world.
1209
01:21:45,188 --> 01:21:47,232
Fresh brains for you, Trevor.
1210
01:21:47,396 --> 01:21:49,940
Trevor James, Interactive
Ops, Division Chief.
1211
01:21:50,104 --> 01:21:52,188
- Ed Snowden.
- I've been briefed.
1212
01:21:52,356 --> 01:21:56,940
Next door's NTOC. Defence.
That's where you'll be working.
1213
01:21:57,104 --> 01:21:59,940
Over here we have
ROC, our offence.
1214
01:22:00,104 --> 01:22:03,542
Now, I move between the two. We
run a tight ship here, Snowden.
1215
01:22:03,543 --> 01:22:04,688
Yes, sir.
1216
01:22:04,856 --> 01:22:06,555
You'll be working with Haynes.
1217
01:22:06,556 --> 01:22:08,732
Patrick Haynes. Good
to you have you.
1218
01:22:08,896 --> 01:22:10,573
You watch out for
him. The smartest
1219
01:22:10,574 --> 01:22:12,064
guy in the building right here.
1220
01:22:12,232 --> 01:22:14,980
Bro, how many languages
do you speak again?
1221
01:22:15,148 --> 01:22:19,104
Seven in Code, six spoken,
two sign language.
1222
01:22:19,272 --> 01:22:22,272
I some American Sign Language.
1223
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:24,312
That's awesome.
1224
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,148
Great. Another language
I can't understand.
1225
01:22:27,149 --> 01:22:28,772
I'll check you later, Ed.
1226
01:22:33,896 --> 01:22:35,772
Wait for it.
1227
01:22:37,064 --> 01:22:39,356
Any moment.
1228
01:22:42,980 --> 01:22:45,518
Lights over Waziristan, gentlemen.
1229
01:22:45,519 --> 01:22:48,604
So, what exactly do we
contribute to this?
1230
01:22:48,772 --> 01:22:52,064
The underside of that Reaper drone
is fixed with a big ass antenna.
1231
01:22:52,232 --> 01:22:55,312
Snarfing the hardware ID of
anything that broadcasts.
1232
01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:58,056
We, then geo locate 'em.
My friend Tasha here with
1233
01:22:58,057 --> 01:23:00,480
the Air Force rains
hellfire. There she is now.
1234
01:23:00,648 --> 01:23:03,940
- Hey, Trev. You liking the show?
- You know it.
1235
01:23:04,104 --> 01:23:07,564
- We track 'em, you whack 'em.
- And who did we just track?
1236
01:23:07,732 --> 01:23:10,339
Not who, what. We're
targeting bad guys'
1237
01:23:10,340 --> 01:23:12,564
cell phones. Sometimes a SIM card.
1238
01:23:12,732 --> 01:23:15,437
Okay. And how do we
know the bad guy is
1239
01:23:15,438 --> 01:23:17,940
in possession of the
bad cell phone?
1240
01:23:18,104 --> 01:23:19,240
We don't.
1241
01:23:19,241 --> 01:23:22,648
Of course we do. JSOC and CIA
have their people in the field.
1242
01:23:23,940 --> 01:23:25,980
What's the program name?
1243
01:23:26,148 --> 01:23:30,440
Epic Shelter. It was originally
some backup program for...
1244
01:23:31,896 --> 01:23:35,896
- Catastrophic site failure.
- Yeah. How did you know that?
1245
01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:38,605
- I built it.
- You?
1246
01:23:38,607 --> 01:23:41,288
Yeah, you know actually,
I've been thinking
1247
01:23:41,289 --> 01:23:43,481
about another use
for Epic Shelter.
1248
01:23:44,772 --> 01:23:46,440
What'd you have in mind?
1249
01:23:46,604 --> 01:23:47,983
Well, I was chatting
with Jim Lowell
1250
01:23:47,984 --> 01:23:49,511
about how there were
so many programs...
1251
01:23:49,512 --> 01:23:50,512
Deputy Director Lowell?
1252
01:23:50,648 --> 01:23:53,630
Yeah, yeah. And we were saying
there are so many programs
1253
01:23:53,631 --> 01:23:57,024
nowadays, it's kind of impossible
to keep track of them any more.
1254
01:23:57,188 --> 01:24:00,104
Right? So why create a
centralised database?
1255
01:24:00,272 --> 01:24:01,272
Ah, like an index?
1256
01:24:01,273 --> 01:24:03,856
Yeah, exactly. Something
that updates in real time.
1257
01:24:04,024 --> 01:24:07,396
We've already got Epic Shelter
collecting our finished intel.
1258
01:24:07,564 --> 01:24:10,856
We just need a web
portal to catalogue it.
1259
01:24:11,024 --> 01:24:14,272
- Make it searchable.
- Let me think about it.
1260
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,866
In any case, I'd have to
run it past Fort Meade.
1261
01:24:16,868 --> 01:24:18,649
- Of course.
- Did you have a name?
1262
01:24:18,812 --> 01:24:22,480
Yeah, if it's not taken,
I'd call it Heartbeat.
1263
01:24:24,104 --> 01:24:25,648
Heartbeat.
1264
01:24:25,812 --> 01:24:30,272
Five, four, three, two, one.
1265
01:24:30,856 --> 01:24:32,980
Engage target.
1266
01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:50,232
- You okay down there?
- Yep.
1267
01:24:51,524 --> 01:24:55,024
This is why I keep saying
we need to hike more.
1268
01:24:55,188 --> 01:24:57,440
- You're right.
- Hey, can you look at me?
1269
01:24:59,772 --> 01:25:02,188
Come on. It's been years.
1270
01:25:02,356 --> 01:25:05,772
By social media standards, you
don't even exist any more.
1271
01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:10,732
Just one. Smile.
Show me your teeth.
1272
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,604
My elusive E. Finally captured.
1273
01:25:15,772 --> 01:25:18,688
- So now I'm a viable boyfriend?
- Yes.
1274
01:25:20,812 --> 01:25:23,856
Such a shame. You used to be
such a cute little model.
1275
01:25:23,997 --> 01:25:24,997
- Little?
- Yeah.
1276
01:25:24,998 --> 01:25:26,941
- Oh, I was little?
- Wait.
1277
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:31,148
Stop.
1278
01:25:32,648 --> 01:25:36,356
Oh my God. I think
you've got some sun.
1279
01:25:36,524 --> 01:25:41,272
- I'm serious. It looks good.
- Oh, that's impossible.
1280
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:44,008
Hey, I've been meaning
to ask you, by
1281
01:25:44,009 --> 01:25:46,440
the way, did you
switch pharmacies?
1282
01:25:47,564 --> 01:25:50,104
Because, I tried to pick
up your prescription
1283
01:25:50,272 --> 01:25:55,104
and I couldn't. Why did you do it?
1284
01:25:57,232 --> 01:26:01,396
Because I was there and
thought it would be helpful.
1285
01:26:13,648 --> 01:26:16,272
I stopped taking the Tegretol.
1286
01:26:17,732 --> 01:26:21,604
- What? When?
- Couple months ago.
1287
01:26:21,772 --> 01:26:26,148
- And you're just now telling me?
- I wanted to tell you.
1288
01:26:26,312 --> 01:26:28,812
I just... I can't take that
stuff. It makes me groggy.
1289
01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:30,790
And I need to be sharp for work. I
1290
01:26:30,791 --> 01:26:32,812
need to be on the
ball all the time.
1291
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:34,688
What is it about this
fucking job that
1292
01:26:34,689 --> 01:26:36,440
makes it more important
than your life?
1293
01:26:38,024 --> 01:26:41,104
- I don't understand.
- Our government...
1294
01:26:43,188 --> 01:26:44,940
Our government, what?
1295
01:26:45,104 --> 01:26:48,067
Our government is
haemorrhaging billions of
1296
01:26:48,068 --> 01:26:50,896
of dollars every year
to Chinese hackers.
1297
01:26:51,064 --> 01:26:54,524
And I've been hired
to shut them down.
1298
01:26:55,564 --> 01:26:59,604
A lot of people are
depending on me.
1299
01:27:00,396 --> 01:27:02,940
More so than anyone else?
1300
01:27:04,188 --> 01:27:05,480
Yes.
1301
01:27:08,188 --> 01:27:11,940
No, this... this is bullshit.
1302
01:27:15,188 --> 01:27:19,564
Didn't come to Hawaii for
you to heal, did we?
1303
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,856
There's never going to be a
less stressful job out there.
1304
01:27:24,024 --> 01:27:28,104
I feel like I'm made to do this,
and if I don't do it, then
1305
01:27:28,272 --> 01:27:31,980
I don't know anybody
else that can.
1306
01:27:33,024 --> 01:27:35,663
It's like I'm on a trajectory
1307
01:27:35,664 --> 01:27:37,732
that I can't turn back from.
1308
01:27:41,104 --> 01:27:43,480
You can always turn back.
1309
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,418
What I wanted to see
is if you could
1310
01:27:49,419 --> 01:27:51,356
give me a yes or no
answer to the question,
1311
01:27:51,524 --> 01:27:56,104
Does the NSA collect any
type of data at all
1312
01:27:56,272 --> 01:28:00,856
on millions or hundreds
of millions of Americans?
1313
01:28:01,024 --> 01:28:04,272
- No, sir.
- It does not?
1314
01:28:05,396 --> 01:28:07,480
Not wittingly.
1315
01:28:07,648 --> 01:28:12,064
There are cases where they could
inadvertently, perhaps collect,
1316
01:28:12,232 --> 01:28:15,148
- but not... not wittingly.
- Oh, really?
1317
01:28:15,312 --> 01:28:17,213
Thank you. I'll have
additional questions
1318
01:28:17,214 --> 01:28:19,024
to give you in writing
on that point...
1319
01:28:19,812 --> 01:28:25,396
Okay, so what I wanted to show you
guys is this slide I ran across
1320
01:28:25,564 --> 01:28:28,356
while building this
indexing program.
1321
01:28:28,524 --> 01:28:29,628
And what is this?
1322
01:28:29,629 --> 01:28:32,940
Ok, so this is data collection
for the month of March.
1323
01:28:33,104 --> 01:28:37,104
Worldwide. E-mails and Skype
calls. France. 70 million.
1324
01:28:37,272 --> 01:28:39,480
Germany. 500 million.
1325
01:28:39,648 --> 01:28:42,188
Brazil. Two billion.
1326
01:28:42,356 --> 01:28:44,772
Inside the US.
1327
01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:47,490
3.1 billion e-mails
and calls. That's not
1328
01:28:47,491 --> 01:28:49,980
including any of the
telco company data.
1329
01:28:50,148 --> 01:28:52,564
Okay, so what's the
collection in Russia?
1330
01:28:52,732 --> 01:28:56,232
Russia is 1.5 billion.
1331
01:28:56,396 --> 01:28:57,715
Wait, so we're collecting twice as
1332
01:28:57,716 --> 01:28:59,151
much in the US as
we are in Russia?
1333
01:28:59,152 --> 01:29:00,812
Yeah, I figured it
would be a lot, but...
1334
01:29:00,980 --> 01:29:03,064
This shit is out of hand, man.
1335
01:29:04,396 --> 01:29:06,056
Wait, have you shown
this to anyone else?
1336
01:29:06,057 --> 01:29:07,188
No, you guys are the first.
1337
01:29:07,356 --> 01:29:09,493
Yeah, you know I'd be
careful about that.
1338
01:29:09,494 --> 01:29:11,732
It could seem like
you're rocking the boat.
1339
01:29:11,896 --> 01:29:13,882
Yeah, you're right.
I just I needed
1340
01:29:13,883 --> 01:29:15,812
to know if I was the only one that
1341
01:29:15,980 --> 01:29:18,232
thought this was crazy.
1342
01:29:18,396 --> 01:29:19,943
- The fuck's going on?
- Hey, Trev.
1343
01:29:19,945 --> 01:29:21,397
What are you doing in here?
1344
01:29:21,564 --> 01:29:23,611
It's nothing. I was
just showing them
1345
01:29:23,612 --> 01:29:25,604
this one slide, I
needed some input.
1346
01:29:25,772 --> 01:29:28,856
- Why the heat map?
- It's my bad, Trev.
1347
01:29:29,024 --> 01:29:30,792
I made a bet with Ed
about which country
1348
01:29:30,793 --> 01:29:32,604
we were collecting the
most signals from.
1349
01:29:32,772 --> 01:29:36,024
He said Iran and I said Pakistan.
1350
01:29:36,188 --> 01:29:38,980
- Who won?
- Ed.
1351
01:29:42,064 --> 01:29:44,356
Yeah, I'm gonna head
out. I'll see you guys.
1352
01:29:44,524 --> 01:29:47,312
- You're going down next time.
- Yeah, okay.
1353
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,888
No more bets. And I don't want
anyone unauthorised in here again.
1354
01:29:51,956 --> 01:29:53,280
Especially not with Heartbeat.
1355
01:29:53,281 --> 01:29:55,081
You're right. Won't happen again.
1356
01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:10,786
Happy Birthday.
1357
01:30:17,246 --> 01:30:21,118
In Vegas, looking at Afghanistan,
so we're working late hours.
1358
01:30:21,286 --> 01:30:24,618
This blurry object comes
wandering into the strike zone.
1359
01:30:24,786 --> 01:30:29,246
We all knew that it was
a kid. Poof, he's gone.
1360
01:30:30,370 --> 01:30:33,826
Call in for clarification,
report came back cold.
1361
01:30:33,994 --> 01:30:36,702
It was a dog. Okay, fine.
1362
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:40,994
Shift's long. Day and night.
1363
01:30:41,162 --> 01:30:44,326
The same village two,
three days later.
1364
01:30:44,494 --> 01:30:48,162
We see the funeral. We knew
it was the kid they buried.
1365
01:30:48,326 --> 01:30:51,685
Mums and dads were wailing. And
then the order comes down.
1366
01:30:51,687 --> 01:30:52,995
Pretty clear. Hit 'em.
1367
01:30:53,954 --> 01:30:56,662
Poof.
1368
01:30:56,826 --> 01:30:59,910
And they are gone
in a cloud of dust.
1369
01:31:03,954 --> 01:31:07,034
I mean all of them. The
whole fucking family.
1370
01:31:07,202 --> 01:31:10,994
But the crazy thing is that
you come home after work
1371
01:31:11,162 --> 01:31:15,286
kiss the wife and kids,
back to work the next day.
1372
01:31:15,454 --> 01:31:20,534
Pretty soon, you know, it
just all becomes routine.
1373
01:31:23,326 --> 01:31:26,746
Fuck that. You make it
sound criminal, man.
1374
01:31:26,910 --> 01:31:30,746
- It's war, it's a job.
- I dunno know, man.
1375
01:31:30,910 --> 01:31:32,541
Think jobs can't be criminal?
1376
01:31:32,542 --> 01:31:35,118
No, not if you're working
for the government.
1377
01:31:35,286 --> 01:31:38,246
You ever hear about the
Nuremberg trials, Trev?
1378
01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:41,410
- They weren't that long ago.
- Yeah.
1379
01:31:41,578 --> 01:31:43,954
And we hung the Nazi
big shots, right?
1380
01:31:44,118 --> 01:31:46,224
Yeah. Well, the big shots were the
1381
01:31:46,225 --> 01:31:48,578
first trial, but
then the next trial
1382
01:31:48,746 --> 01:31:54,202
were just the judges, and
lawyers, and police men, guards.
1383
01:31:54,370 --> 01:31:59,410
Ordinary people just doing
their jobs. Following orders.
1384
01:31:59,578 --> 01:32:02,546
That's where we got the
Nuremberg principles,
1385
01:32:02,547 --> 01:32:05,578
which then, the UN made
into international law
1386
01:32:05,746 --> 01:32:11,034
just in case ordinary jobs
become criminal again.
1387
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:16,202
Just saying.
1388
01:32:42,162 --> 01:32:44,454
Even fucking touch me...
1389
01:33:01,410 --> 01:33:03,578
- Oh my God.
- Dude, you okay?
1390
01:33:04,578 --> 01:33:08,078
- You okay, man?
- Get away. Don't touch him.
1391
01:33:38,410 --> 01:33:42,702
Hey, Ed, how are you?
How's your health?
1392
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:45,578
Hey, Corbin. Ah, it's...
1393
01:33:47,578 --> 01:33:50,162
It's fine. Thanks for asking.
1394
01:33:50,326 --> 01:33:53,870
It must be nerve racking,
living with that condition.
1395
01:33:54,034 --> 01:33:56,702
You wouldn't know it.
Look at your numbers.
1396
01:33:56,870 --> 01:34:00,578
200 Chinese IPs down in
your first four months.
1397
01:34:02,702 --> 01:34:05,326
Those are internal numbers.
1398
01:34:05,494 --> 01:34:09,286
Your colleague Trevor, is
out of the CIA like you.
1399
01:34:09,454 --> 01:34:13,454
He's been keeping me
informed of your progress.
1400
01:34:14,702 --> 01:34:18,870
It's outstanding work.
Heartbeat, as well.
1401
01:34:19,034 --> 01:34:21,960
Thank you. Thanks.
That means a lot.
1402
01:34:21,961 --> 01:34:23,910
Lowell is very pleased.
1403
01:34:24,078 --> 01:34:27,954
- He sends his regards.
- That's great to hear.
1404
01:34:28,786 --> 01:34:30,618
He...
1405
01:34:33,746 --> 01:34:36,994
He doesn't know about your
heat map conversations
1406
01:34:37,162 --> 01:34:40,994
or some of the ideas you've
expressed to your colleagues.
1407
01:34:41,162 --> 01:34:44,494
- And he's not going to.
- Yeah...
1408
01:34:45,702 --> 01:34:48,493
You know, Heartbeat
is proving a tricky
1409
01:34:48,494 --> 01:34:51,494
project. Collating from
multiple agencies.
1410
01:34:51,662 --> 01:34:54,326
And knowing where to pull from.
1411
01:34:54,494 --> 01:34:58,702
It has helped to talk it
over with colleagues.
1412
01:34:58,870 --> 01:35:01,986
I believe in you.
Which is why nothing
1413
01:35:01,987 --> 01:35:04,702
to you after the derog in Geneva.
1414
01:35:05,954 --> 01:35:08,826
And I'm very grateful
you've looked out for me.
1415
01:35:08,994 --> 01:35:15,162
Or after you "omitted the
truth" in your polygraph.
1416
01:35:17,162 --> 01:35:20,162
What was it you were
withholding exactly?
1417
01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:31,454
You remember that day in class
you were talking to us about.
1418
01:35:32,746 --> 01:35:36,370
You said that they approved
Bush's wiretapping programs.
1419
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:41,954
Sometimes we're restricted
from telling the whole truth.
1420
01:35:43,118 --> 01:35:46,151
Doesn't give us permission to lie.
1421
01:35:46,152 --> 01:35:47,162
Corbin.
1422
01:35:47,326 --> 01:35:48,769
The Director of National
1423
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:50,994
Intelligence just
lied to Congress.
1424
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:55,746
Sorry.
1425
01:36:00,078 --> 01:36:01,870
Look at me.
1426
01:36:07,286 --> 01:36:11,118
Did you access an
unauthorised program?
1427
01:36:11,286 --> 01:36:13,954
That I did not know about?
1428
01:36:19,870 --> 01:36:23,410
Yes. It was...
1429
01:36:25,246 --> 01:36:30,534
It was in Geneva, it was Lindsay,
I was jealous. And I'm sorry.
1430
01:36:30,702 --> 01:36:33,246
I never did it again.
1431
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:47,286
Listen...
1432
01:36:50,954 --> 01:36:54,662
I know it's been up and down with
you and Lindsay since Geneva.
1433
01:36:54,826 --> 01:36:59,578
It's tough... keep any
relationship going. Few of us do.
1434
01:37:01,870 --> 01:37:05,315
So if it will give you any peace
of mind, I can assure you
1435
01:37:05,316 --> 01:37:08,702
she's not sleeping with that
photographer friend of hers.
1436
01:37:10,034 --> 01:37:12,746
If that's what you're thinking.
1437
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:18,770
I have to go to a Five Eyes
conference in Sydney in a
1438
01:37:18,771 --> 01:37:21,578
couple of week. I'll stop
by Hawaii on the way back.
1439
01:37:23,494 --> 01:37:25,746
Okay?
1440
01:37:26,454 --> 01:37:28,994
Okay. Thank you.
1441
01:37:31,578 --> 01:37:33,786
I'll see you soon.
1442
01:37:48,994 --> 01:37:50,870
Hey Dad.
1443
01:37:52,034 --> 01:37:55,326
Did you get the e-mail I
sent you with the photos?
1444
01:37:59,202 --> 01:38:02,202
I was hoping you
could delete them.
1445
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:13,078
What are you doing?
1446
01:38:34,202 --> 01:38:36,162
Sit down.
1447
01:38:42,494 --> 01:38:46,786
- Your e-mail is being monitored.
- So?
1448
01:38:48,034 --> 01:38:49,934
Well, it's different
now. It's not passive
1449
01:38:49,935 --> 01:38:51,746
collection. It's full
tape surveillance.
1450
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:53,672
It's your all of
your e-mails, calls,
1451
01:38:53,673 --> 01:38:55,202
texts, social media. Everything.
1452
01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:59,910
It's also possible that
the house is bugged.
1453
01:39:00,078 --> 01:39:03,118
- I'm not sure.
- By who?
1454
01:39:04,370 --> 01:39:07,078
By a senior officer at the CIA.
1455
01:39:08,202 --> 01:39:11,954
You in trouble? Is it
the Chinese thing?
1456
01:39:12,118 --> 01:39:15,746
Look, there's things that
I wish I could tell you
1457
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:20,534
but I can't because you
could get very hurt.
1458
01:39:20,702 --> 01:39:23,746
What's keeping you safe is
that you don't know anything.
1459
01:39:30,326 --> 01:39:33,870
I'm sorry. I really am. I didn't
want any of this for you.
1460
01:39:35,534 --> 01:39:39,910
But I know you would think I
was doing the right thing.
1461
01:39:44,662 --> 01:39:47,856
So just listen to me for
a sec, okay? When we go
1462
01:39:47,857 --> 01:39:51,246
back in the house, everything
has to appear normal.
1463
01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:53,578
We're gonna act like
nothing is changed.
1464
01:39:53,746 --> 01:39:55,740
But if you do notice
something that's
1465
01:39:55,741 --> 01:39:57,786
weird, you need to
tell me right away.
1466
01:39:57,954 --> 01:39:59,745
And you're gonna use encrypted
1467
01:39:59,746 --> 01:40:01,954
e-mail that I'm
setting up for you.
1468
01:40:02,118 --> 01:40:06,202
- I don't think I can do this.
- Yes, you can. I know you can.
1469
01:40:07,410 --> 01:40:11,994
- Do I even have a choice?
- I'm asking you to trust me.
1470
01:40:20,078 --> 01:40:24,454
Linds, I think it'd be best if you
went back to Maryland for a while.
1471
01:40:24,618 --> 01:40:28,410
Tell your parents that I'm
away on a business trip.
1472
01:40:28,578 --> 01:40:32,870
- And that you're homesick.
- Are you going away?
1473
01:40:33,034 --> 01:40:35,746
Yes, but just for a little while.
1474
01:40:45,162 --> 01:40:46,235
No, I can't go.
1475
01:40:46,237 --> 01:40:49,455
- Please, just until I get back?
- I can't go.
1476
01:40:50,954 --> 01:40:55,410
You just said that we have to
appear like nothing's changed.
1477
01:40:55,578 --> 01:40:57,731
If both of us left
at the same time,
1478
01:40:57,732 --> 01:40:59,534
wouldn't that seem suspicious?
1479
01:41:09,662 --> 01:41:12,454
I will do this for you.
1480
01:41:16,118 --> 01:41:18,662
But it is the last time.
1481
01:41:41,326 --> 01:41:43,440
We will meet in the
mall, opposite the Mira
1482
01:41:43,441 --> 01:41:45,410
Hotel, on the Monday
two weeks from now.
1483
01:41:45,578 --> 01:41:49,370
I will be holding a Rubik's
cube. More to follow...
1484
01:41:54,662 --> 01:41:56,746
You hear about Trevor, bro?
1485
01:41:56,910 --> 01:42:00,162
You know that op to own
the internet in Syria?
1486
01:42:00,326 --> 01:42:04,618
Yeah, Trevor and his TAO team
crashed the core router.
1487
01:42:04,786 --> 01:42:07,954
- The whole country has gone dark.
- Jesus Christ.
1488
01:42:08,118 --> 01:42:11,034
- Figure it out.
- Poor bastards.
1489
01:42:12,994 --> 01:42:14,770
Ok, I'm gonna, I
gotta get to work.
1490
01:42:14,771 --> 01:42:15,826
Yeah, yeah, me too.
1491
01:42:16,994 --> 01:42:20,454
Oh, hey. How's Heartbeat coming?
1492
01:42:21,662 --> 01:42:25,326
It's close. It's very close.
1493
01:42:28,246 --> 01:42:30,826
Don't tell me you're
involved in this too.
1494
01:42:30,994 --> 01:42:33,635
Well, Trevor fucking roped
me into going through the
1495
01:42:33,636 --> 01:42:36,326
zero day exploit codes. It's
a big fucking mess, man.
1496
01:42:38,578 --> 01:42:41,870
- Why did I agree to it?
- Good luck.
1497
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:10,498
Talk about getting
hung out to dry.
1498
01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:11,500
Yeah.
1499
01:45:12,662 --> 01:45:14,746
Trouble with the Navy?
1500
01:45:14,910 --> 01:45:17,101
One of those idiots ripped some
bullshit piece of Israeli Code
1501
01:45:17,102 --> 01:45:19,118
and jammed it down our payload.
You fucking believe that?
1502
01:45:19,286 --> 01:45:20,286
Script kiddies?
1503
01:45:20,287 --> 01:45:23,118
I know, I know. I should have
listened to you. Goddammit.
1504
01:45:23,286 --> 01:45:25,034
- Is this it?
- Here it is.
1505
01:45:25,202 --> 01:45:28,246
The Israelis must fucking
take the fall for this.
1506
01:45:32,202 --> 01:45:35,454
I'm not taking the fall for this.
1507
01:45:44,118 --> 01:45:45,702
Patrick.
1508
01:45:50,786 --> 01:45:53,370
I might not see you again.
1509
01:45:55,702 --> 01:45:58,826
You gonna leave me here...
1510
01:45:58,994 --> 01:46:01,578
with Captain America?
1511
01:46:01,746 --> 01:46:03,410
Thanks a lot.
1512
01:46:05,078 --> 01:46:09,578
The NSA may come after you.
1513
01:46:10,994 --> 01:46:13,746
I don't know what
you're talking about.
1514
01:46:48,118 --> 01:46:52,370
- You headed home already?
- Yeah. I'm not feeling so well.
1515
01:46:53,534 --> 01:46:56,118
Might not be in tomorrow either.
1516
01:46:56,286 --> 01:46:57,986
You know, Trevor's
kinda busy, maybe
1517
01:46:57,987 --> 01:46:59,410
you could let him know for me?
1518
01:46:59,578 --> 01:47:01,786
Yeah, it'd be my pleasure.
1519
01:47:03,370 --> 01:47:06,332
You know, if you're if you're
really not feeling well, dude,
1520
01:47:06,333 --> 01:47:09,246
maybe you should go back to the
States and see your doctor.
1521
01:47:09,410 --> 01:47:12,994
I think that, you know, folks
would understand that.
1522
01:47:15,326 --> 01:47:17,370
Sounds like a smart thing.
1523
01:47:24,410 --> 01:47:27,746
- Take care of yourself.
- Yeah, you too, bro.
1524
01:47:51,204 --> 01:47:53,748
Hey, you ever play
with one of these?
1525
01:47:53,912 --> 01:47:56,872
Yeah, when I was a kid.
1526
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,456
You should try it. It's hard.
1527
01:48:19,624 --> 01:48:22,704
I can't figure this out.
1528
01:48:27,248 --> 01:48:28,912
I don't know about this.
1529
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,425
You gotta start
with a white cross,
1530
01:48:31,426 --> 01:48:33,704
actually, then you do the corners.
1531
01:48:33,872 --> 01:48:37,164
Ah man, well I love these things.
1532
01:48:37,332 --> 01:48:40,580
- Hey, have a good weekend, man.
- You too, buddy.
1533
01:49:35,818 --> 01:49:38,690
It's live.
1534
01:49:38,858 --> 01:49:41,566
WEDNESDAY, June 5, 2013
1535
01:49:42,150 --> 01:49:45,774
There's a link to the
FISA court order.
1536
01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,566
Well done, Janine. I told
you she was no pushover.
1537
01:49:55,734 --> 01:49:59,442
Well, it feels so goddamn
good to be wrong.
1538
01:50:01,610 --> 01:50:05,902
NSA collecting phone records of
millions of Americans daily.
1539
01:50:06,066 --> 01:50:08,046
Breaking news tonight.
Reports that through a
1540
01:50:08,047 --> 01:50:09,982
secret court order, the
Obama administration
1541
01:50:10,150 --> 01:50:13,110
is collecting the phone records
of millions of Verizon customers.
1542
01:50:13,274 --> 01:50:16,190
That's been reported by The
Guardian newspaper in the UK.
1543
01:50:16,358 --> 01:50:17,905
They said court order
shows that all the
1544
01:50:17,906 --> 01:50:19,301
information is going
to the National
1545
01:50:19,302 --> 01:50:20,697
Security Agency. CNN
has reached out
1546
01:50:20,698 --> 01:50:21,942
to multiple sources to confirm it.
1547
01:50:22,110 --> 01:50:24,526
How is that for
mainstream media, Glenn?
1548
01:50:24,690 --> 01:50:26,169
They can't shut this
down now, we've
1549
01:50:26,170 --> 01:50:27,409
got four days more days of it.
1550
01:50:27,410 --> 01:50:29,234
They have no idea what
they're in store for.
1551
01:50:29,402 --> 01:50:32,026
It's fantastic.
1552
01:50:33,190 --> 01:50:35,085
Another explosive
article, has just
1553
01:50:35,086 --> 01:50:37,402
appeared, this time in
the Washington Post.
1554
01:50:37,566 --> 01:50:40,247
It's breaking news that
it reveals another broad
1555
01:50:40,248 --> 01:50:42,818
and secret US government
surveillance program.
1556
01:50:42,982 --> 01:50:47,026
The Washington Post and the
Guardian in London reporting
1557
01:50:47,190 --> 01:50:50,370
that the NSA and the FBI are
tapping directly into the
1558
01:50:50,371 --> 01:50:53,318
central servers of nine
leading internet companies
1559
01:50:53,482 --> 01:50:57,066
including Microsoft, Yahoo,
Google, Facebook, AOL,
1560
01:50:57,234 --> 01:50:59,818
Skype, YouTube, and Apple.
1561
01:50:59,982 --> 01:51:02,192
The Post says they're
extracting audio,
1562
01:51:02,193 --> 01:51:04,402
video, photographs,
e-mails, documents,
1563
01:51:04,566 --> 01:51:07,614
and connection logs that
enable analysts to track
1564
01:51:07,615 --> 01:51:10,358
a person's movements and
contacts over time.
1565
01:51:10,526 --> 01:51:13,650
FRIDAY, June 7, 2013
1566
01:51:13,818 --> 01:51:17,399
In the abstract, you can
complain about Big Brother
1567
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,566
and how this is a potential
program run amok,
1568
01:51:21,690 --> 01:51:24,073
but when you actually
look at the details,
1569
01:51:24,074 --> 01:51:26,566
then I think we've struck
the right balance.
1570
01:51:26,734 --> 01:51:29,264
US President Barack
Obama staunchly
1571
01:51:29,265 --> 01:51:31,442
defends US government programs
1572
01:51:31,610 --> 01:51:35,066
insisting that they were
conducted with broad safeguards
1573
01:51:35,234 --> 01:51:38,982
to protect against abuse.
1574
01:51:39,150 --> 01:51:41,397
He reached the
conclusion that what was
1575
01:51:41,398 --> 01:51:43,982
happening inside this
really secretive agency
1576
01:51:44,150 --> 01:51:47,376
was very threatening and
menacing to privacy rights,
1577
01:51:47,377 --> 01:51:50,358
to internet freedom, to
basic political liberty.
1578
01:51:50,526 --> 01:51:53,138
Not only in the United
States but all around
1579
01:51:53,139 --> 01:51:55,402
the world. And he
felt it was his duty
1580
01:51:55,566 --> 01:51:58,650
as a human being to disclose it.
1581
01:52:08,482 --> 01:52:10,743
My name is Ed
Snowden. I'm 29 years
1582
01:52:10,744 --> 01:52:13,066
old. I work for Booz
Allen Hamilton.
1583
01:52:13,234 --> 01:52:16,610
As an infrastructure
analyst for NSA in Hawaii.
1584
01:52:20,529 --> 01:52:21,872
(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
1585
01:52:21,930 --> 01:52:23,876
(SPEAKING GERMAN)
1586
01:52:24,133 --> 01:52:25,703
(SPEAKING ITALIAN)
1587
01:52:25,801 --> 01:52:27,405
(SPEAKING JAPANESE)
1588
01:52:27,636 --> 01:52:29,274
(SPEAKING RUSSIAN)
1589
01:52:29,526 --> 01:52:31,654
Well, you can't come
forward against the most
1590
01:52:31,655 --> 01:52:33,690
powerful intelligence
agencies in the world
1591
01:52:33,858 --> 01:52:36,161
without expecting
to have some risk.
1592
01:52:36,162 --> 01:52:38,650
They're just such
powerful adversaries.
1593
01:52:38,818 --> 01:52:42,308
No one can meaningfully
oppose them. If they
1594
01:52:42,309 --> 01:52:45,566
wanna get you, they
will get you in time.
1595
01:52:45,734 --> 01:52:47,774
The kid did it.
1596
01:52:47,942 --> 01:52:50,779
Get worse for the next
generation, if they extend the
1597
01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:53,774
capabilities of this sort of
architecture of oppression.
1598
01:52:53,942 --> 01:52:58,402
Then you realise that you might
willing to accept any risk
1599
01:52:58,566 --> 01:53:01,556
as long as the public
is able to make their
1600
01:53:01,557 --> 01:53:04,274
own decision about
how this is applied.
1601
01:53:04,442 --> 01:53:06,028
Because, even if you haven't done
1602
01:53:06,029 --> 01:53:07,902
anything wrong,
you're being watched.
1603
01:53:09,734 --> 01:53:13,066
I had access to the entire
intelligence community.
1604
01:53:13,234 --> 01:53:16,274
So if I had wanted to harm the US,
1605
01:53:16,442 --> 01:53:20,442
you could shut down the entire
analyst system in an afternoon.
1606
01:53:20,610 --> 01:53:23,799
But that was never
my intention, and I
1607
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:27,234
think anybody that's
making that argument,
1608
01:53:27,402 --> 01:53:29,358
they have to think.
1609
01:53:29,526 --> 01:53:31,818
If they were in my position,
1610
01:53:31,982 --> 01:53:35,566
living in Hawaii, in paradise,
making a ton of money,
1611
01:53:35,734 --> 01:53:40,650
what would it take, to make
you leave everything behind?
1612
01:53:40,818 --> 01:53:44,526
The fear that I've had most
1613
01:53:44,690 --> 01:53:48,982
in regards to the outcome for
America with these disclosures
1614
01:53:49,150 --> 01:53:51,754
is that nothing will change
in the coming months,
1615
01:53:51,755 --> 01:53:54,150
and the coming years,
it will just get worse.
1616
01:53:54,318 --> 01:53:57,982
And then, eventually,
at some point
1617
01:53:58,150 --> 01:54:01,610
some new leader will be elected
1618
01:54:01,774 --> 01:54:05,858
who flips the switch
1619
01:54:06,026 --> 01:54:09,509
and the people won't be able to do
1620
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:13,402
anything by that
point to oppose it.
1621
01:54:13,566 --> 01:54:18,066
And it'll be turnkey tyranny.
1622
01:54:18,234 --> 01:54:22,318
- How you holding up?
- Yeah, I'll be fine.
1623
01:54:22,482 --> 01:54:25,482
You guys have to start
watching after yourselves now.
1624
01:54:26,982 --> 01:54:33,690
You know, if you have any reason
to believe that you're about to
1625
01:54:33,858 --> 01:54:36,566
be raided or intercepted
or breached in any way,
1626
01:54:36,567 --> 01:54:39,274
you format and destroy all
the data immediately.
1627
01:54:39,442 --> 01:54:42,234
You have the encrypted backups.
1628
01:54:42,402 --> 01:54:44,650
Now I...
1629
01:54:47,274 --> 01:54:49,424
I no longer have any
access to these
1630
01:54:49,425 --> 01:54:51,690
files, myself. You
guys have them all.
1631
01:54:55,942 --> 01:55:00,274
Keep the focus on the stories.
That's all that matters.
1632
01:55:00,442 --> 01:55:03,734
If you'll excuse me, it's...
1633
01:55:04,858 --> 01:55:08,026
We should all get some
rest. We could use it.
1634
01:55:08,190 --> 01:55:10,184
Yeah, I should probably
lay down in a soft
1635
01:55:10,185 --> 01:55:12,318
bed, while I still have
one available, right?
1636
01:55:13,982 --> 01:55:16,110
- Rest well.
- Thank you.
1637
01:55:18,190 --> 01:55:21,066
- See you tomorrow.
- Good night.
1638
01:55:49,818 --> 01:55:53,982
Can you at least tell
me where you're going?
1639
01:56:16,902 --> 01:56:19,774
Listen, I know that I...
1640
01:56:29,026 --> 01:56:32,190
MONDAY, June 10, 2013
1641
01:56:36,690 --> 01:56:39,818
Ewen, I'm on the second floor.
1642
01:56:39,982 --> 01:56:42,150
I don't see Tibbo.
1643
01:56:43,858 --> 01:56:46,442
No, no-no, wait, I
think I see him.
1644
01:56:46,610 --> 01:56:51,110
Shit. There's press swarming
all over the hotel.
1645
01:56:51,274 --> 01:56:53,046
Yeah, I don't know. I'll
figure it out and I'll
1646
01:56:53,047 --> 01:56:54,818
stop them with a press
conference or something.
1647
01:56:54,982 --> 01:56:58,021
Look, we really
appreciate this you're
1648
01:56:58,022 --> 01:57:00,982
one of the best
lawyers in Hong Kong.
1649
01:57:01,150 --> 01:57:03,912
We're gonna take him
to the UN first, then
1650
01:57:03,913 --> 01:57:06,482
I prefer not to reveal.
I understand...
1651
01:57:06,650 --> 01:57:10,402
Shit, they've spotted
me. You guys get going.
1652
01:57:12,150 --> 01:57:16,026
I will answer your questions
in an orderly fashion. Please.
1653
01:57:16,190 --> 01:57:17,205
Did you get them?
1654
01:57:17,206 --> 01:57:19,234
Yeah, this is the best I could do.
1655
01:57:19,402 --> 01:57:22,442
You'll be meeting Tibbo
in five minutes.
1656
01:57:22,610 --> 01:57:26,482
On the skybridge
opposite the large mall.
1657
01:57:28,690 --> 01:57:33,358
I've met a lot of astonishing
people in my life, but you...
1658
01:57:35,190 --> 01:57:38,274
Okay, laddie, off you go.
1659
01:57:38,442 --> 01:57:41,026
I won't let you down.
1660
01:57:41,190 --> 01:57:44,942
You'd make a shitty
journalist without a camera.
1661
01:57:45,110 --> 01:57:47,566
You sure?
1662
01:57:47,734 --> 01:57:51,026
Okay. That's a pretty good idea.
1663
01:57:52,526 --> 01:57:54,774
Thanks.
1664
01:57:55,774 --> 01:57:58,234
You don't want to leave
your luck behind.
1665
01:57:58,402 --> 01:58:02,358
Oh, I think I'd like
you to have that.
1666
01:58:03,690 --> 01:58:07,690
- Thanks. For everything.
- Thank you.
1667
01:58:31,318 --> 01:58:33,610
I have a van on the street.
1668
01:58:37,818 --> 01:58:41,402
NSA leaker Edward Snowden has
now been charged formally with
1669
01:58:41,566 --> 01:58:46,150
espionage, theft and conversion
of government property.
1670
01:58:46,318 --> 01:58:48,503
US officials have asked
Hong Kong to detain the
1671
01:58:48,504 --> 01:58:50,734
former contractor on
provisional arrest warrant.
1672
01:58:50,902 --> 01:58:53,241
Snowden has been in
Hong Kong since May.
1673
01:58:53,242 --> 01:58:54,818
Reportedly, on May 20th...
1674
01:58:57,902 --> 01:59:00,144
Snowden has checked out
of the luxury hotel
1675
01:59:00,145 --> 01:59:02,234
in Hong Kong where he
had been holed up.
1676
01:59:04,110 --> 01:59:05,818
You might turn your eyes away.
1677
01:59:05,982 --> 01:59:09,818
The Justice Department had to go
to Interpol, so that Snowden,
1678
01:59:09,982 --> 01:59:14,818
if he tried to cross a border, he
could be intercepted and detained.
1679
01:59:14,982 --> 01:59:17,362
So, again the Americans
are now closing in.
1680
01:59:17,363 --> 01:59:19,526
They almost certainly
know where he is.
1681
01:59:19,690 --> 01:59:21,675
They just need Hong Kong's
approval to get him.
1682
01:59:21,676 --> 01:59:23,702
The Hong Kong government
does have an extradition
1683
01:59:23,703 --> 01:59:25,566
agreement with Washington,
but the ultimate decision...
1684
01:59:27,274 --> 01:59:31,482
The big question here
is: Where is he now?
1685
01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:36,942
Thank you. This is Ed. Ed, Mayana.
1686
01:59:36,943 --> 01:59:38,026
Welcome.
1687
01:59:41,358 --> 01:59:44,650
These are good people.
They won't talk.
1688
01:59:44,818 --> 01:59:47,031
I've been handling their cases
for years. They're like you.
1689
01:59:47,032 --> 01:59:48,032
That's so nice.
1690
01:59:48,066 --> 01:59:50,026
- They're stateless.
- Yeah.
1691
01:59:50,190 --> 01:59:53,628
So, we're waiting on the UN
application for refugee status.
1692
01:59:53,629 --> 01:59:54,774
Yeah.
1693
01:59:54,942 --> 01:59:58,068
Just in case you're arrested,
this is where you can call me.
1694
01:59:58,069 --> 01:59:59,110
Yeah.
1695
02:00:01,650 --> 02:00:04,650
- Good.
- Thank you so much.
1696
02:00:08,274 --> 02:00:11,942
You may not feel it, Ed,
1697
02:00:12,110 --> 02:00:14,902
but you're not alone.
1698
02:00:18,026 --> 02:00:21,566
His long-time girlfriend, Lindsay
Mills, an amateur photographer
1699
02:00:21,734 --> 02:00:24,309
has not been heard from.
It's believed she's
1700
02:00:24,310 --> 02:00:26,942
in seclusion in her
parents' home in Maryland
1701
02:00:27,110 --> 02:00:32,234
and has been questioned by the FBI
and remains under investigation.
1702
02:00:32,402 --> 02:00:36,150
Ten days have now gone by as the
world looks for Edward Snowden.
1703
02:00:36,318 --> 02:00:39,690
Rumours have surfaced that a
rich supporter is hiding Snowden
1704
02:00:39,858 --> 02:00:43,526
somewhere in the Hong Kong
hills in a private mansion.
1705
02:01:14,610 --> 02:01:17,179
It is now confirmed
that Edward Snowden has
1706
02:01:17,180 --> 02:01:19,690
boarded a flight from
Hong Kong to Moscow.
1707
02:01:19,858 --> 02:01:22,462
The State Department is
very disappointed in the
1708
02:01:22,463 --> 02:01:25,066
authorities in Hong Kong
for letting Snowden go.
1709
02:01:25,234 --> 02:01:27,650
He was accompanied by a
representative from Wikileaks.
1710
02:01:27,818 --> 02:01:30,625
Snowden is trying to make
his way from Russia to
1711
02:01:30,626 --> 02:01:33,318
Cuba and then to Ecuador
for political asylum.
1712
02:01:33,482 --> 02:01:35,212
Moscow airport officials
say he won't be
1713
02:01:35,213 --> 02:01:36,858
permitted to make his
connected flight
1714
02:01:37,026 --> 02:01:39,482
because the US government
has revoked his passport.
1715
02:01:39,650 --> 02:01:43,774
The United States Secretary of
State John Kerry is outraged
1716
02:01:43,942 --> 02:01:46,234
that Russia is refusing to
arrest the American fugitive.
1717
02:01:46,402 --> 02:01:48,229
Now a man without a country is
1718
02:01:48,230 --> 02:01:50,482
stranded inside the
Moscow airport.
1719
02:01:50,650 --> 02:01:53,190
No, I'm not going to
be scrambling jets
1720
02:01:53,358 --> 02:01:58,358
to get a 29-year-old hacker.
1721
02:01:59,110 --> 02:02:01,178
The president of
Bolivia's plane was
1722
02:02:01,179 --> 02:02:03,358
forced down in Austrian
airspace today
1723
02:02:03,526 --> 02:02:07,526
on US suspicions that Snowden
may have been on board.
1724
02:02:07,690 --> 02:02:10,082
After 39 days at
the airport hotel,
1725
02:02:10,083 --> 02:02:12,274
he slept with his Russian lawyer
1726
02:02:12,442 --> 02:02:15,982
and a legal adviser from
Wikileaks, Sarah Harrison.
1727
02:02:16,150 --> 02:02:18,916
He can now enjoy all of the
the sweet, sweet liberty
1728
02:02:18,917 --> 02:02:21,734
allowed under the regime of
president Vladimir Putin.
1729
02:02:21,902 --> 02:02:25,026
There is still a thing
called execution.
1730
02:02:25,190 --> 02:02:26,558
Mr Snowden actually
deserves asylum
1731
02:02:26,559 --> 02:02:27,774
and protection around the globe
1732
02:02:27,942 --> 02:02:31,482
but he does have asylum
in Russia, at least.
1733
02:02:31,650 --> 02:02:33,150
He can engage in the
debate he started.
1734
02:02:33,318 --> 02:02:34,925
And now the world
now has an example
1735
02:02:34,926 --> 02:02:36,358
that you can do the right thing.
1736
02:02:36,526 --> 02:02:40,150
You don't have to end up in
a cage, one room, a prison.
1737
02:02:41,650 --> 02:02:44,982
After more than a year in the
country under temporary asylum
1738
02:02:45,150 --> 02:02:47,867
Edward Snowden has
received a three
1739
02:02:47,868 --> 02:02:50,358
year residency permit in Russia.
1740
02:02:58,372 --> 02:03:02,744
And now, here, live from
Moscow, Edward Snowden.
1741
02:03:04,788 --> 02:03:07,536
Hi, Ed. How are you doing?
1742
02:03:11,996 --> 02:03:16,536
Thank you. Forgive me if I get
my bearings a little bit here.
1743
02:03:16,704 --> 02:03:20,620
People always said I
was kind of a robot.
1744
02:03:20,788 --> 02:03:22,744
How is it that you
came to be in Russia?
1745
02:03:22,912 --> 02:03:25,345
Well, I never intended
to come here,
1746
02:03:25,346 --> 02:03:27,580
you know. My passport was revoked
1747
02:03:27,744 --> 02:03:31,912
on route to Latin America, so when
people say, why are you in Russia?
1748
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:35,536
I say: "Ask the State Department."
1749
02:03:35,704 --> 02:03:39,660
Does that mean you're willing
to go back and face trial?
1750
02:03:39,828 --> 02:03:43,912
Absolutely. If it was a
fair and public trial.
1751
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,412
Unfortunately that's not what
would happen right now as
1752
02:03:47,580 --> 02:03:51,536
long as the Espionage Act is being
used against whistle-blowers.
1753
02:03:52,744 --> 02:03:54,949
Do you still think
it was worth it?
1754
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:55,950
Yes, I do.
1755
02:03:55,951 --> 02:04:01,744
Without the information to start
a public debate, we're lost.
1756
02:04:01,912 --> 02:04:05,185
You know, the people
being able to question
1757
02:04:05,186 --> 02:04:08,160
our government and
hold it accountable.
1758
02:04:08,328 --> 02:04:10,846
That's the principle
that the United
1759
02:04:10,847 --> 02:04:13,160
States of America was founded on.
1760
02:04:13,328 --> 02:04:16,996
So, if we want to protect
our national security
1761
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:20,580
we should be protecting
that principle.
1762
02:04:20,744 --> 02:04:23,456
What if your argument
falls on deaf
1763
02:04:23,457 --> 02:04:26,244
ears, what if our
leaders don't act?
1764
02:04:26,412 --> 02:04:30,080
I believe that if nothing changes,
1765
02:04:30,244 --> 02:04:35,372
more and more people all over
the world will come forward.
1766
02:04:35,536 --> 02:04:41,412
Whistle-blowers and journalists,
but also regular citizens.
1767
02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:45,704
And when those in
power try to hide
1768
02:04:45,872 --> 02:04:51,244
by classifying everything,
we will call them out on it.
1769
02:04:51,412 --> 02:04:54,345
And when they try to scare us into
1770
02:04:54,346 --> 02:04:57,536
sacrificing our
basic human rights,
1771
02:04:57,704 --> 02:05:02,036
we won't be intimidated.
And we won't give up.
1772
02:05:02,204 --> 02:05:06,204
And we will not be silenced.
1773
02:05:06,372 --> 02:05:09,099
You're alone in a
foreign country. You'll
1774
02:05:09,100 --> 02:05:11,372
be extradited if you try to leave.
1775
02:05:11,536 --> 02:05:14,036
That must be hard.
1776
02:05:25,912 --> 02:05:28,496
When I left Hawaii, I lost...
1777
02:05:28,660 --> 02:05:30,952
everything.
1778
02:05:33,204 --> 02:05:36,080
You know, I had a stable life.
1779
02:05:38,244 --> 02:05:42,536
Stable love. Family. Future.
1780
02:05:43,912 --> 02:05:46,828
And I lost that life, but...
1781
02:05:48,912 --> 02:05:51,620
I've gained a new one.
1782
02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:55,372
And I'm incredibly fortunate.
1783
02:05:57,704 --> 02:06:00,160
And I think,
1784
02:06:00,328 --> 02:06:02,110
the greatest freedom
that I've is the
1785
02:06:02,111 --> 02:06:04,080
fact that I no longer
have to worry about
1786
02:06:04,244 --> 02:06:09,244
what happens tomorrow, because I'm
happy with what I've done today.
1787
02:06:13,980 --> 02:06:18,064
Live from the internet,
Edward Snowden.
1788
02:07:05,272 --> 02:07:08,148
As of this date, Edward
Snowden resides in Moscow.
1789
02:07:08,316 --> 02:07:13,940
Lindsay Mills has moved
there to join him.
1790
02:07:35,316 --> 02:07:37,993
Has your mindset changed
about him? Is he now
1791
02:07:37,994 --> 02:07:40,856
more of a whistle-blower
than he is a hacker?
1792
02:08:18,356 --> 02:08:20,538
What is going to happen
to Edward Snowden?
1793
02:08:20,539 --> 02:08:21,896
He's gonna die in Moscow.
1794
02:08:22,064 --> 02:08:24,480
He's not coming home.
1795
02:09:00,980 --> 02:09:03,272
Snowden, is he a
traitor or a hero?
1796
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:06,524
He stole very important
information.
1797
02:09:25,356 --> 02:09:26,648
We have breaking news tonight.
1798
02:09:26,816 --> 02:09:28,909
Among the reports,
work with Congress to
1799
02:09:28,910 --> 02:09:31,104
change how the NSA
collects phone records.
1800
02:09:31,272 --> 02:09:34,440
More transparency
by the secret court
1801
02:09:34,604 --> 02:09:37,024
that regularly approves
the surveillance...
1802
02:09:38,396 --> 02:09:40,915
Is it a victory for
Edward Snowden? That's
1803
02:09:40,916 --> 02:09:43,316
gonna depend on the
eye of the beholder.
1804
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:46,316
The American government
was acting illegally.
1805
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:50,816
I don't think he should be brought
home without facing the music.
1806
02:09:50,980 --> 02:09:53,183
Snowden played a
very important role
1807
02:09:53,184 --> 02:09:55,148
in educating the American people
1808
02:09:55,316 --> 02:09:58,057
to the degree in which
our civil liberties and
1809
02:09:58,058 --> 02:10:00,856
our constitutional rights
are being undermined.
1809
02:10:01,305 --> 02:11:01,838
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