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Hancock. 7 00:00:37,375 --> 00:00:39,042 I'm with Greene County Sheriff's Office. 8 00:00:39,125 --> 00:00:40,834 - How are you today? - Gypsy: I'm doing good. 9 00:00:40,918 --> 00:00:41,834 Hancock: Good. 10 00:00:41,918 --> 00:00:44,626 ( music playing ) 11 00:00:44,709 --> 00:00:46,209 Hancock: You need to be honest with me. 12 00:00:46,292 --> 00:00:48,292 And if you're involved in anything 13 00:00:48,375 --> 00:00:50,751 that I'm about ready to tell you, then you need to tell me, okay? 14 00:00:50,834 --> 00:00:54,125 - Absolutely. - Um, your mom's dead, okay? 15 00:00:54,209 --> 00:00:55,918 Now, what I want to ask you-- 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,292 - Wait, what, what? - Your mom's passed away, okay? 17 00:00:59,375 --> 00:01:01,125 She's deceased, all right? 18 00:01:01,209 --> 00:01:02,792 Now, what I want to ask you-- 19 00:01:02,876 --> 00:01:05,083 did you have involvement in this? 20 00:01:05,167 --> 00:01:08,375 - Okay. - ( crying ) No, no-- 21 00:01:08,459 --> 00:01:10,709 Hang on, listen to me for just a second, okay? 22 00:01:10,792 --> 00:01:13,417 - Uh-huh. - What happened with your mom that night? 23 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:14,792 ( Gypsy crying ) 24 00:01:14,876 --> 00:01:16,834 Um... 25 00:01:16,918 --> 00:01:19,250 I don't know what happened with my mom at all. 26 00:01:19,334 --> 00:01:20,751 - Help me. Please help me. - Okay, you... 27 00:01:20,834 --> 00:01:22,709 Just listen to me, okay, sweetheart? 28 00:01:22,792 --> 00:01:25,167 You know what happened to your mom, okay? 29 00:01:25,250 --> 00:01:27,667 And I know that you know. 30 00:01:27,751 --> 00:01:29,542 Gypsy: You think that it's me? 31 00:01:29,626 --> 00:01:31,417 Why would you think that it's me? 32 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,125 I have always loved my mom. 33 00:01:33,209 --> 00:01:34,584 My mom and I are best friends. 34 00:01:34,667 --> 00:01:36,125 Hancock: Listen to me. 35 00:01:36,209 --> 00:01:37,667 Please don't dig yourself in this hole, 36 00:01:37,751 --> 00:01:39,542 and that's what you're doing. 37 00:01:41,250 --> 00:01:43,292 Gypsy: I really love my mom. 38 00:01:43,375 --> 00:01:44,751 - I know you do. - Please. 39 00:01:44,834 --> 00:01:47,584 I know you-- sweetheart, I know you love your mom. 40 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:49,709 I have no doubt that you love your mom. 41 00:01:49,792 --> 00:01:52,125 ( crying ) 42 00:01:52,209 --> 00:01:53,918 Hancock: >>But why did Nick hurt her?<< 43 00:01:55,876 --> 00:01:58,042 Now's the time to be truthful, sweetheart. 44 00:01:58,125 --> 00:02:00,542 No more lies. 45 00:02:00,626 --> 00:02:03,792 - Did you kill your mom? - Gypsy: No. No, sir. 46 00:02:03,876 --> 00:02:06,709 Hancock: Did you help Nicholas kill your mom? 47 00:02:08,167 --> 00:02:13,375 >>MOMMY DEAD AND DEAREST<< 48 00:02:13,459 --> 00:02:14,542 ( applause ) 49 00:02:14,626 --> 00:02:15,876 Man: Ladies and gentlemen, 50 00:02:15,959 --> 00:02:17,918 please welcome a cancer survivor 51 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 and passionate young lady, Gypsy Rose Blanchard 52 00:02:22,083 --> 00:02:23,667 and her mother Dee Dee Blanchard 53 00:02:23,751 --> 00:02:26,042 from Springfield, Missouri, to the stage. 54 00:02:26,125 --> 00:02:29,125 >>SIX YEARS EARLIER<< ( applause ) 55 00:02:32,334 --> 00:02:34,959 ♪ I believe ♪ 56 00:02:35,042 --> 00:02:40,334 ♪ There are angels among us ♪ 57 00:02:40,417 --> 00:02:42,500 ♪ Sent down to us ♪ 58 00:02:42,584 --> 00:02:45,334 ♪ From somewhere up above ♪ 59 00:02:45,417 --> 00:02:49,584 ♪ They come to you and me ♪ 60 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:53,125 ♪ In our darkest hours. ♪ 61 00:02:53,209 --> 00:02:56,209 ( applause, cheering ) 62 00:02:56,292 --> 00:02:57,751 Dee Dee: Thank you, my sweetie. 63 00:02:57,834 --> 00:02:59,417 I've always said 64 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:02,751 you're the reason I was born to be your mama. 65 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:05,209 - ( applause ) - ( mouthing words ) 66 00:03:05,959 --> 00:03:10,751 >>SPRINGFIELD, MO<< 67 00:03:10,834 --> 00:03:12,292 Reporter: Breaking news this morning. 68 00:03:12,375 --> 00:03:14,584 48-year-old Dee Dee Blanchard 69 00:03:14,667 --> 00:03:16,083 was found dead inside her home. 70 00:03:16,167 --> 00:03:18,042 Her 19-year-old daughter Gypsy 71 00:03:18,125 --> 00:03:21,000 is still considered missing. 72 00:03:21,083 --> 00:03:22,876 - ( siren wailing ) - Jim Arnott: It all started 73 00:03:22,959 --> 00:03:25,209 receiving a call on June 14th 74 00:03:25,292 --> 00:03:27,959 to check the well-being of a family. 75 00:03:28,042 --> 00:03:29,083 >>GREENE COUNTY SHERIFF<< 76 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,292 ( chatter ) 77 00:03:30,375 --> 00:03:32,125 Linda Ong: Gypsy and Dee Dee 78 00:03:32,209 --> 00:03:35,292 were Hurricane Katrina survivors. 79 00:03:35,375 --> 00:03:38,292 Everybody believed that they were coming here 80 00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:39,626 to the Ozarks to make a better life. 81 00:03:39,709 --> 00:03:41,042 >>LOCAL NEWS REPORTER SPRINGFIELD, MO<< 82 00:03:42,334 --> 00:03:43,709 Arnott: There was a Facebook post 83 00:03:43,792 --> 00:03:46,125 that was quite alarming. 84 00:03:46,209 --> 00:03:49,751 We were actually thinking that it was somebody that hacked into the Facebook 85 00:03:49,834 --> 00:03:51,834 and it wasn't actually a threat. 86 00:03:51,918 --> 00:03:54,042 >>WHAT?!!! Did your FB get hacked? I have never heard you talk like that.<< 87 00:03:54,125 --> 00:03:56,542 Elaine Scherer: Gypsy was in a wheelchair. 88 00:03:56,626 --> 00:04:00,083 She had leukemia and she was having seizures >>COMMUNITY SERVICE WORKER AURORA, MO<< 89 00:04:00,167 --> 00:04:02,542 and she had to be tube fed. 90 00:04:02,626 --> 00:04:05,000 Arnott: As the sheriff, my primary responsibility 91 00:04:05,083 --> 00:04:07,167 at that time was really to ensure 92 00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:10,125 that her well-being was okay. 93 00:04:10,209 --> 00:04:14,209 Whatever they were going through was incredibly hard for them, 94 00:04:14,292 --> 00:04:16,834 especially with the medical conditions. >>GYPSY'S NEIGHBOR AND FRIEND<< 95 00:04:16,918 --> 00:04:20,167 And so, everybody gathered around them 96 00:04:20,250 --> 00:04:23,500 and would try to help them out as much as possible. 97 00:04:23,584 --> 00:04:25,959 It just proves that happy endings 98 00:04:26,042 --> 00:04:29,626 are not just in fairy tales, they're real. 99 00:04:29,709 --> 00:04:31,626 ( laughter ) 100 00:04:33,375 --> 00:04:36,292 The Facebook post was quote... 101 00:04:38,083 --> 00:04:40,375 "The bitch is dead." 102 00:04:40,459 --> 00:04:42,959 And another post stating, 103 00:04:43,042 --> 00:04:44,751 "I fucking slashed that fat pig 104 00:04:44,834 --> 00:04:46,792 and raped her sweet, innocent daughter. 105 00:04:46,876 --> 00:04:50,167 Her scream was so fucking loud, LOL." 106 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:51,584 >>GREEN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE<< - ( men chattering ) - ( cameras clicking ) 107 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:56,584 >>JUNE 16, 2015<< 108 00:04:58,209 --> 00:05:00,709 Okay, good morning. 109 00:05:00,792 --> 00:05:03,667 I want to specify at the beginning of this press conference 110 00:05:03,751 --> 00:05:07,751 that this is an ongoing investigation. 111 00:05:07,834 --> 00:05:11,167 And I want to start off with saying 112 00:05:11,250 --> 00:05:14,542 things are not always as they appear. 113 00:05:14,626 --> 00:05:17,000 The truth is-- okay, I'll admit it. >>GYPSY'S BOYFRIEND<< 114 00:05:17,083 --> 00:05:20,334 I did actually... 115 00:05:20,417 --> 00:05:21,542 stab her. 116 00:05:21,626 --> 00:05:23,709 - I will admit it. - I know, okay. 117 00:05:23,792 --> 00:05:27,209 The only reason I did it is 'cause I did it for me and her. 118 00:05:27,292 --> 00:05:30,334 - I would've never did it if it was not for me and her. - Okay. 119 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:33,584 I know that he loves me, and... 120 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:36,250 he would do anything for me 121 00:05:36,334 --> 00:05:38,083 and-- to be with me. 122 00:05:38,167 --> 00:05:42,167 Did Gypsy know that you were going to kill her mother? 123 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:47,042 Um... honestly, 124 00:05:47,125 --> 00:05:48,876 she asked me to. 125 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:49,959 Okay. 126 00:05:50,042 --> 00:05:51,459 >>THE BITCH IS DEAD<< 127 00:05:51,542 --> 00:05:53,292 Arnott: Both Facebook postings 128 00:05:53,375 --> 00:05:55,876 were authored by Gypsy. 129 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:57,375 >>I FUCKEN SLASHED THAT FAT PIG AND RAPED HER SWEET INNOCENT DAUGHTER...<< 130 00:05:57,459 --> 00:05:58,459 >>HER SCREAM WAS SOOOO FUCKEN LOUD LOL<< 131 00:05:58,542 --> 00:06:01,417 The prosecutor has filed charges this morning 132 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:04,125 for first-degree murder. 133 00:06:04,209 --> 00:06:06,709 This is a tragic, tragic event 134 00:06:06,792 --> 00:06:12,751 surrounded by mystery and public deception. 135 00:06:12,834 --> 00:06:15,000 Gypsy can walk without assistance 136 00:06:15,083 --> 00:06:16,709 or a wheelchair... 137 00:06:18,375 --> 00:06:20,125 and she can do that very well. 138 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,167 ( clicks ) 139 00:06:27,250 --> 00:06:29,584 Okay. 140 00:06:29,667 --> 00:06:30,792 ( camera clicking ) 141 00:06:37,792 --> 00:06:42,209 >>GYPSY'S ARRAIGNMENT JUNE 16, 2015<< 142 00:06:42,292 --> 00:06:44,083 ( sobbing ) 143 00:06:44,167 --> 00:06:45,459 This individual has alleged 144 00:06:45,542 --> 00:06:48,000 to conspire with Nicholas Godejohn 145 00:06:48,083 --> 00:06:49,918 to stab her mother to death 146 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,167 so that they could be together. 147 00:06:52,250 --> 00:06:55,709 - The penalty is life imprisonment or death. - ( sobbing ) 148 00:06:55,792 --> 00:06:59,375 ( indistinct chatter ) 149 00:06:59,459 --> 00:07:02,042 Reporter: Seeing Gypsy Blanchard walk on her own two feet 150 00:07:02,125 --> 00:07:05,250 in a Wisconsin courtroom was a shock to friends and neighbors. 151 00:07:05,334 --> 00:07:07,667 >>GYPSY'S NEIGHBOR<< Is she sick? 152 00:07:07,751 --> 00:07:09,334 I don't know yet. 153 00:07:09,417 --> 00:07:10,792 We're trying to figure that out. 154 00:07:10,876 --> 00:07:11,834 >>Can she walk?<< 155 00:07:11,918 --> 00:07:15,125 Um, yes. 156 00:07:15,209 --> 00:07:17,334 Oh, son of a bitch. 157 00:07:18,667 --> 00:07:20,959 ( crying ) To see her walk... 158 00:07:22,709 --> 00:07:24,417 was really upsetting. 159 00:07:26,334 --> 00:07:27,876 Obviously, if that's a lie, 160 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,542 then who knows what all was a lie. 161 00:07:30,626 --> 00:07:33,876 We really don't know the true background of this family, 162 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:35,334 as we have unearthed the appearance 163 00:07:35,417 --> 00:07:37,667 of a long financial fraud scheme. 164 00:07:37,751 --> 00:07:39,667 Reporter: The family got medical airlifts, 165 00:07:39,751 --> 00:07:42,250 Disney travel, and free housing over the years 166 00:07:42,334 --> 00:07:45,209 because of Gypsy's supposed disabilities. 167 00:07:45,292 --> 00:07:48,334 Reporter #2: It was a facade that translated online, 168 00:07:48,417 --> 00:07:49,876 >>THE GYPSY ROSE TRIP<< donations pouring in 169 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:51,959 for Gypsy's reported muscular dystrophy 170 00:07:52,042 --> 00:07:53,542 and leukemia. 171 00:07:53,626 --> 00:07:55,292 >>CLICK HERE TO SUPPORT GYPSY'S MEDICAL TRIP BY DEE AND GYPSYROSE BLANCHARD<< 172 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:59,292 Arnott: We have not confirmed the age of Gypsy. 173 00:07:59,375 --> 00:08:01,334 It appears that there is several date of births 174 00:08:01,417 --> 00:08:04,209 that have been used over a period of time. 175 00:08:04,292 --> 00:08:06,876 I almost want to say, "Man, I can't believe she-- 176 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:10,667 I even wanted to associate with-- why did I even help them?" 177 00:08:10,751 --> 00:08:13,083 I just never would see that that little girl 178 00:08:13,167 --> 00:08:15,542 really wasn't who she was supposed to be. 179 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:22,918 ( camera clicking ) 180 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,584 >>JULY 24, 2015<< 181 00:08:27,667 --> 00:08:32,459 >>THE PROSECUTION PRESENTS ITS PRELIMINARY EVIDENCE AGAINST GYPSY.<< 182 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:36,250 Case exhibit 53. 183 00:08:36,334 --> 00:08:38,876 Can I ask you if you'll tell me what that is? 184 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:40,417 Dan Patterson: Miss Blanchard is charged 185 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,292 with murder in the first degree. 186 00:08:43,959 --> 00:08:45,542 When you commit a first-degree murder, >>GREENE COUNTY PROSECUTOR<< 187 00:08:45,626 --> 00:08:47,959 you knowingly cause the death of another person 188 00:08:48,042 --> 00:08:49,542 after deliberation. 189 00:08:49,626 --> 00:08:52,500 Analysis of cell phones 190 00:08:52,584 --> 00:08:55,209 provided evidence of numerous text messages 191 00:08:55,292 --> 00:08:58,042 between Gypsy Blanchard and Nicholas Godejohn. 192 00:08:59,542 --> 00:09:01,375 Patterson: Nicholas Godejohn was someone 193 00:09:01,459 --> 00:09:04,292 that Gypsy Blanchard met online. 194 00:09:04,375 --> 00:09:07,918 They began a online dating relationship. 195 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,626 Patterson: During the attacks, the two discussed 196 00:09:10,709 --> 00:09:13,959 Nicholas killing Clauddine. 197 00:09:14,042 --> 00:09:16,125 ( chimes ) >>The shits gonna go down tonight...<< 198 00:09:20,250 --> 00:09:24,042 >>Babe its My Evil Side doing it<< 199 00:09:24,125 --> 00:09:28,000 >>he won't mess up because he enjoys killing<< 200 00:09:28,083 --> 00:09:30,876 >>...we'll be happy soon.<< 201 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:34,250 >>After this night we will never bring it up<< 202 00:09:34,334 --> 00:09:36,125 At the beginning, it looks like a tabloid case. 203 00:09:36,209 --> 00:09:39,083 It looks like, "Here's some people in some weird outfits, 204 00:09:39,167 --> 00:09:42,417 and they're pretending to be disabled and they're scamming everybody. 205 00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:44,292 And then there's this, like, sort of horrible murder, 206 00:09:44,375 --> 00:09:46,751 and the Facebook status, 'That bitch is dead.'" >>FREELANCE JOURNALIST<< 207 00:09:46,834 --> 00:09:49,751 Like, all of it is very tabloid. >>THE NEW YORKER, BUZZFEED<< 208 00:09:49,834 --> 00:09:53,375 And then, gradually, that story just sort of fell apart. 209 00:09:55,667 --> 00:09:59,292 Still, it feels to me like it's developing into something else. 210 00:09:59,375 --> 00:10:01,959 ( seagull screeching ) >>LAFOURCHE PARISH, LA GYPSY'S HOMETOWN<< 211 00:10:12,709 --> 00:10:17,792 >>GYPSY'S FATHER DEE DEE'S EX-HUSBAND<< 212 00:10:17,876 --> 00:10:19,125 I still ask the question, 213 00:10:19,209 --> 00:10:20,959 "How do you kill your own mother?" 214 00:10:21,042 --> 00:10:22,459 I mean, there's got to be a reason. 215 00:10:22,542 --> 00:10:23,918 There's got to be some abuse there. 216 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,083 You don't just... "I'm gonna kill my mother 217 00:10:26,167 --> 00:10:27,918 because I wanna be with a boyfriend." 218 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,709 Like I told my mom when I called my mom 219 00:10:29,792 --> 00:10:31,459 and talked to her about it. 220 00:10:31,542 --> 00:10:34,918 I said, "Mama, I've been-- you know, I was mad at you before, 221 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,542 but I've never, ever in a million years 222 00:10:38,626 --> 00:10:40,667 thought about killing you." 223 00:10:40,751 --> 00:10:43,626 I said, "For me to think about killing you, 224 00:10:43,709 --> 00:10:47,542 you'd have had to done some pretty bad stuff to me." 225 00:10:47,626 --> 00:10:50,334 Nobody wants to believe that something like this can happen. 226 00:10:50,417 --> 00:10:51,876 >>GYPSY'S LAWYER MISSOURI PUBLIC DEFENDER<< 227 00:10:51,959 --> 00:10:54,083 I think the initial reaction is-- 228 00:10:54,167 --> 00:10:57,542 is that, you know, Gypsy's been lying to everybody. 229 00:10:57,626 --> 00:11:00,709 But when you look at the backstory, 230 00:11:00,792 --> 00:11:03,417 when you look at how we got here, 231 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:05,334 this all started long before Gypsy 232 00:11:05,417 --> 00:11:10,125 would've ever had any type of say in what was happening. 233 00:11:10,209 --> 00:11:15,751 >>GYPSY, 3 MONTHS OLD<< 234 00:11:17,792 --> 00:11:20,167 Right from birth, three months old. 235 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:24,709 Dee Dee was telling me that she had sleep apnea 236 00:11:24,792 --> 00:11:27,584 and she needed a breathing machine 237 00:11:27,667 --> 00:11:30,626 or breathing monitor machine, 238 00:11:30,709 --> 00:11:33,042 which, I mean, I-- to this day, 239 00:11:33,125 --> 00:11:35,667 I don't know if that was real or not, you know? 240 00:11:35,751 --> 00:11:37,375 It escalated from then. 241 00:11:37,459 --> 00:11:41,167 Problems with her eyes, her hearing, 242 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:42,876 her digestive system. 243 00:11:45,709 --> 00:11:48,042 After that, Gypsy couldn't walk anymore. 244 00:11:48,125 --> 00:11:51,459 She had a muscular disorder. 245 00:11:51,542 --> 00:11:54,834 >>GYPSY, 10 YEARS OLD<< 246 00:11:54,918 --> 00:11:57,542 And Dee Dee told me she would need a wheelchair. 247 00:11:57,626 --> 00:12:00,250 You know, I asked her. I said, "Man, she's got a lot of issues. 248 00:12:00,334 --> 00:12:03,167 What's going on?" You know, and, um... 249 00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:05,959 They had done some tests and found out she had a chromosome disorder 250 00:12:06,042 --> 00:12:10,125 that was causing all of her functions from developing-- 251 00:12:10,209 --> 00:12:12,542 her digestive system and her muscular system. 252 00:12:16,375 --> 00:12:18,542 Dee Dee told me she's not going to live 253 00:12:18,626 --> 00:12:21,375 to be, you know, 18 years old. 254 00:12:21,459 --> 00:12:25,209 She may be an old teenager, that's about it. 255 00:12:25,292 --> 00:12:27,167 You know, I was like, "Really?" 256 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:30,626 You know, it was shocking, it was disturbing. 257 00:12:30,709 --> 00:12:33,167 And to see her at 23 years old now, 258 00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:36,042 perfectly healthy-- ( scoffs ) 259 00:12:36,125 --> 00:12:39,584 ( stammering ) it pisses me off, you know? 260 00:12:43,751 --> 00:12:45,792 >>GYPSY'S STEPMOTHER<< 261 00:12:45,876 --> 00:12:47,417 ( growls ) 262 00:12:51,250 --> 00:12:53,459 Kristy: This picture here... 263 00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:58,542 I don't know if this was the surgery 264 00:12:58,626 --> 00:13:01,000 where she thought her stomach lining 265 00:13:01,083 --> 00:13:02,751 wrapped around her esophagus. 266 00:13:02,834 --> 00:13:04,834 Rod: No, she would've had that earlier. 267 00:13:04,918 --> 00:13:08,375 She had that feeding tube way before then. 268 00:13:08,459 --> 00:13:09,792 You know? 269 00:13:09,876 --> 00:13:11,751 She was 10 here. 270 00:13:14,751 --> 00:13:17,751 Rod: This was probably close to the first year or two 271 00:13:17,834 --> 00:13:20,375 when she was in a wheelchair. 272 00:13:20,459 --> 00:13:21,751 Yep. 273 00:13:23,125 --> 00:13:25,250 Breaks my heart... 274 00:13:25,334 --> 00:13:27,000 knowing she got put through all of this 275 00:13:27,083 --> 00:13:28,709 when she didn't need it. 276 00:13:31,042 --> 00:13:32,834 Fourteen years. 277 00:13:34,709 --> 00:13:36,542 To be confined. 278 00:13:37,667 --> 00:13:40,000 The last 14 years in a wheelchair. 279 00:13:40,083 --> 00:13:41,667 I couldn't imagine. 280 00:13:47,417 --> 00:13:49,959 Stanfield: I've never encountered anything 281 00:13:50,042 --> 00:13:53,209 that is even close to what Gypsy has gone through. 282 00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:58,250 Her mother appeared to have taken great steps 283 00:13:58,334 --> 00:14:02,125 to keep Gypsy in a very juvenile role, 284 00:14:02,209 --> 00:14:06,876 making her act several years younger than her actual age. 285 00:14:08,584 --> 00:14:10,542 It appears that Gypsy was not even aware 286 00:14:10,626 --> 00:14:12,876 of what her actual age was. 287 00:14:14,542 --> 00:14:16,250 Rod: I called her for her 18th birthday, 288 00:14:16,334 --> 00:14:19,125 and Dee Dee said, "Don't tell her she's 18, you know?" 289 00:14:19,209 --> 00:14:20,751 I'm like, "What you mean don't tell her she's 18? 290 00:14:20,834 --> 00:14:23,125 She knows she's 18. It's her 18th birthday." 291 00:14:23,209 --> 00:14:25,083 "Yeah, but she don't know she's 18. 292 00:14:25,167 --> 00:14:26,292 She's-- you know." 293 00:14:26,375 --> 00:14:28,000 I thought it was weird, you know? 294 00:14:28,083 --> 00:14:29,417 I-- she-- 295 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:32,292 I mean, I always did know that she-- 296 00:14:32,375 --> 00:14:34,459 she told me her mental capacity was, 297 00:14:34,542 --> 00:14:35,709 you know, like, five years behind. 298 00:14:35,792 --> 00:14:37,876 When she was, like, 15, she was like, 299 00:14:37,959 --> 00:14:40,167 "Oh, yeah, her learning is coming along, 300 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:43,959 but she's like, mentally, at a 9- or 10-year-old." 301 00:14:44,042 --> 00:14:47,542 Kristy: She looks like she would be 10 and 11, 302 00:14:47,626 --> 00:14:51,209 and she was probably like, 21, 22. 303 00:14:52,375 --> 00:14:54,334 I wonder what she was thinking. 304 00:14:58,334 --> 00:15:00,334 Hello, everybody! This is Gypsy Rose 305 00:15:00,417 --> 00:15:02,375 reporting from Aurora, Missouri. 306 00:15:02,459 --> 00:15:05,292 I'm about to dive off our porch >>DEE DEE'S HOME MOVIES<< 307 00:15:05,375 --> 00:15:07,584 into the pile of snow. 308 00:15:07,667 --> 00:15:09,083 You ready? 309 00:15:10,876 --> 00:15:12,584 ( screams, laughs ) 310 00:15:12,667 --> 00:15:14,667 That was so grand! 311 00:15:14,751 --> 00:15:16,209 Whoo! 312 00:15:16,292 --> 00:15:17,876 All right! 313 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Yooh! 314 00:15:20,083 --> 00:15:21,292 Yeah! 315 00:15:21,375 --> 00:15:22,042 >>A SPECIAL DAY<< 316 00:15:22,125 --> 00:15:23,876 ( squealing ) 317 00:15:23,959 --> 00:15:26,667 That's so cool. Let's do it again. 318 00:15:26,751 --> 00:15:28,292 Dean: It's hard to answer a lot questions 319 00:15:28,375 --> 00:15:29,834 about who Gypsy is, right? 320 00:15:29,918 --> 00:15:32,334 Because she was somebody else for such a long time. 321 00:15:32,417 --> 00:15:34,584 - ( door closes ) - Dean: And now we know her 322 00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:36,542 as almost a completely different person. 323 00:15:36,626 --> 00:15:40,167 - Erin Lee Carr: I'm Erin, as you remember. - I remember. 324 00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:43,667 Dean: I would be curious if anybody Gypsy has talked to 325 00:15:43,751 --> 00:15:46,459 feels they're getting the full story. 326 00:15:46,542 --> 00:15:50,792 This is actually kind of the first time I've been honest 327 00:15:50,876 --> 00:15:54,125 besides being honest, you know, with my attorneys. 328 00:15:54,209 --> 00:15:58,000 Even then, I haven't been completely honest with them, so... 329 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,667 Carr: How would you describe your mom? 330 00:16:02,751 --> 00:16:04,250 Um... 331 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,209 unique. 332 00:16:10,292 --> 00:16:12,918 Um... 333 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,250 I mean, I used to always think 334 00:16:14,334 --> 00:16:16,792 that maybe she was a little overprotective. 335 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:20,167 So, if I had to say one word about her, 336 00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:23,167 it would be overprotective. 337 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:24,292 Dee Dee: How old are you? 338 00:16:24,375 --> 00:16:25,334 >>GYPSY, 1 YEAR OLD<< 339 00:16:25,417 --> 00:16:26,751 >>(DEE DEE'S VOICE OFFSCREEN)<< You're one. 340 00:16:26,834 --> 00:16:28,918 And where's your cranial? 341 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Very good. And where's your phalanges? 342 00:16:32,083 --> 00:16:35,375 Yes. Very, very good. 343 00:16:35,459 --> 00:16:40,375 I really didn't think any abuse was going on. 344 00:16:40,459 --> 00:16:43,626 Um... it's like when you're abused, 345 00:16:43,709 --> 00:16:45,584 but you've lived that way your whole life. 346 00:16:45,667 --> 00:16:48,375 You don't really know that you're being abused. 347 00:16:48,459 --> 00:16:50,834 You don't know any different. 348 00:16:50,918 --> 00:16:54,709 Looking at the open ocean now. 349 00:16:54,792 --> 00:16:57,042 And it's beautiful! 350 00:16:59,083 --> 00:17:00,918 Gypsy: I knew that I was different 351 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,876 or my life was different from other kids'. 352 00:17:03,959 --> 00:17:07,500 But people thought of us, as, you know, 353 00:17:07,584 --> 00:17:11,626 the sweetest mother-daughter family ever. 354 00:17:11,709 --> 00:17:13,876 The best two people in the world. 355 00:17:16,334 --> 00:17:18,167 Carr: What illnesses did your mom 356 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:20,667 say that you had? 357 00:17:20,751 --> 00:17:22,167 Um... 358 00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:26,792 asthma, epilepsy, hearing impaired, 359 00:17:26,876 --> 00:17:30,834 vision impaired, fed with a feeding tube, 360 00:17:30,918 --> 00:17:34,125 paralyzed from the waist down. 361 00:17:34,209 --> 00:17:35,626 Um... 362 00:17:35,709 --> 00:17:39,792 slow, so retardation. 363 00:17:39,876 --> 00:17:41,250 And-- among other things, 364 00:17:41,334 --> 00:17:43,334 I just can't remember them. 365 00:17:44,292 --> 00:17:45,125 >>GYPSYROSE'S DIAGANOSIS<< 366 00:17:45,209 --> 00:17:47,250 >>LIST OF CONDITIONS DEE DEE GAVE TO DOCTORS<< 367 00:17:47,334 --> 00:17:53,417 >>G I REFLUX, ANEMIA, HYPERVENTILATION, INCONTANINCE, LUNG DISEASE, HEART MUMMUR<< 368 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:58,584 >>DEE DEE'S MEDICAL CLOSET<< 369 00:17:58,667 --> 00:18:01,125 Gypsy: I was on breathing medication. 370 00:18:02,834 --> 00:18:04,876 Medication for seizures. 371 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,417 Medication to help go to the bathroom. 372 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:12,209 Pain medication, anxiety medication. 373 00:18:13,584 --> 00:18:16,000 Just everything. 374 00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:20,500 I would have to put on the breathing machine every night. 375 00:18:20,584 --> 00:18:22,751 I hated it, though, because it seemed to make 376 00:18:22,834 --> 00:18:24,667 my breathing worse, not better. 377 00:18:27,167 --> 00:18:31,000 And then another machine was for the feeding tube. 378 00:18:31,083 --> 00:18:34,626 It was controlling what I'd eat. 379 00:18:34,709 --> 00:18:39,125 My medications would be put through there. 380 00:18:39,209 --> 00:18:41,250 I really wouldn't even have to be awake. 381 00:18:41,334 --> 00:18:44,167 So, she could put whatever in my body, 382 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:45,959 and I wouldn't even know. 383 00:18:47,834 --> 00:18:49,042 ( yawns ) 384 00:18:49,125 --> 00:18:50,125 >>DEE DEE AND GYPSY ON ONE OF THEIR MEDICAL TRIPS<< 385 00:18:50,209 --> 00:18:51,834 Dee Dee: Hey, you make me wanna yawn. 386 00:18:51,918 --> 00:18:53,626 - ( yawning ) - ( snorts ) 387 00:18:53,709 --> 00:18:56,751 ( laughs ) So, where are you going today? 388 00:18:56,834 --> 00:19:00,334 I'm going to Children's Mercy Hospital 389 00:19:00,417 --> 00:19:03,250 to see my dentist. 390 00:19:03,334 --> 00:19:05,042 For my teeth. 391 00:19:06,167 --> 00:19:07,375 And we'll be back. 392 00:19:07,459 --> 00:19:09,876 And we'll be back soon. 393 00:19:09,959 --> 00:19:12,584 - Not yet. - ( giggles ) 394 00:19:13,542 --> 00:19:15,500 >>ACCORDING TO MEDICAL RECORDS,<< 395 00:19:15,584 --> 00:19:17,667 >>DEE DEE BROUGHT GYPSY TO LOCAL HOSPITALS<< 396 00:19:17,751 --> 00:19:20,000 >>OVER 100 TIMES BETWEEN 2005 AND 2014.<< 397 00:19:22,792 --> 00:19:24,709 Gypsy: If we'd be going to the doctor, 398 00:19:24,792 --> 00:19:27,083 she would do all the talking. 399 00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:29,083 I'd always have a stuffed animal 400 00:19:29,167 --> 00:19:31,876 or a Barbie doll. 401 00:19:31,959 --> 00:19:35,209 She'd just tell me just play with my Barbie doll. 402 00:19:36,792 --> 00:19:39,417 And if the doctor would come to examine me-- 403 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,209 "Just stay in the wheelchair, 404 00:19:41,292 --> 00:19:43,876 be calm, play with your doll, 405 00:19:43,959 --> 00:19:45,709 and don't move your legs." 406 00:19:45,792 --> 00:19:50,292 >>GYPSY UNDERWENT MULTIPLE SURGERIES DURING HER HOSPITAL VISITS.<< 407 00:19:52,209 --> 00:19:53,542 >>THEY INCLUDED GASTROINTESTINAL OPERATIONS,<< 408 00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:55,209 >>EYE PROCEDURES, AND THE REMOVAL<< 409 00:19:55,292 --> 00:19:56,709 >>OF HER SALIVARY GLANDS.<< 410 00:19:56,792 --> 00:19:59,751 I was just as much in the dark as everybody else. 411 00:19:59,834 --> 00:20:02,375 The only thing I knew is that I could walk. 412 00:20:02,459 --> 00:20:03,834 As for everything else, 413 00:20:03,918 --> 00:20:06,876 you had the leukemia and the epilepsy. 414 00:20:06,959 --> 00:20:08,209 I was taking medication 415 00:20:08,292 --> 00:20:10,375 that she said was cancer medicine. 416 00:20:10,459 --> 00:20:12,125 She would shave my head and say, 417 00:20:12,209 --> 00:20:13,792 "Well, it's going to fall out anyway, 418 00:20:13,876 --> 00:20:17,083 so let's just keep it nice and neat." 419 00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:21,167 I just went on blind faith that a mother knows best. 420 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:24,959 >>THE MEDICATIONS DEE DEE GAVE GYPSY INDUCED MANY OF THE SYMPTOMS 421 00:20:25,042 --> 00:20:28,667 >>OF DISEASES DOCTORS THOUGHT THEY WERE TREATING.<< 422 00:20:30,292 --> 00:20:35,083 You're supposed to love and protect your children. 423 00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:37,250 How could you do this to your child? 424 00:20:37,334 --> 00:20:40,542 Dr. Marc Feldman: Gypsy Rose Blanchard 425 00:20:40,626 --> 00:20:42,542 >>SKYPE INTERVIEW<< was as consistently 426 00:20:42,626 --> 00:20:46,167 >>CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST<< and viciously subjected to, 427 00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:48,459 >>MUNCHAUSEN EXPERT<< in my opinion, Munchausen by proxy 428 00:20:48,542 --> 00:20:50,250 as anyone I've come across. 429 00:20:50,334 --> 00:20:53,292 >>MUNCHAUSEN BY PROXY SYNDROME<< Munchausen by proxy involves a caregiver 430 00:20:53,375 --> 00:20:59,042 who either feigns or actually induces illness in her children. 431 00:20:59,125 --> 00:21:02,876 And her goal is some kind of emotional gratification-- 432 00:21:02,959 --> 00:21:07,125 looking for sympathy, attention, care, 433 00:21:07,209 --> 00:21:11,083 concern that she feels unable to get in any other way. 434 00:21:11,167 --> 00:21:15,626 It is a form of child abuse, first and foremost. 435 00:21:15,709 --> 00:21:17,959 Gypsy: The earliest surgery that I can remember 436 00:21:18,042 --> 00:21:20,542 probably would be 437 00:21:20,626 --> 00:21:23,792 having my feeding tube put in. 438 00:21:25,375 --> 00:21:27,584 You have to have it constantly changed, 439 00:21:27,667 --> 00:21:29,375 like every six months. 440 00:21:29,459 --> 00:21:30,876 And that would be pretty painful, 441 00:21:30,959 --> 00:21:33,042 because they don't put you under anesthesia, 442 00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:35,459 they just take you in the emergency room, 443 00:21:35,542 --> 00:21:38,083 rip the old one out, and put a new one in. 444 00:21:38,167 --> 00:21:41,709 I don't know why these procedures were done 445 00:21:41,792 --> 00:21:46,209 or how her mother was able to convince the doctors. 446 00:21:46,292 --> 00:21:47,667 "Mindboggling" is the only way 447 00:21:47,751 --> 00:21:52,292 I can put her ability to manipulate people. 448 00:22:02,751 --> 00:22:05,417 Basically, each one of these paperclips 449 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:09,667 is some medical record 450 00:22:09,751 --> 00:22:13,000 where Dee Dee essentially lied 451 00:22:13,083 --> 00:22:15,042 to the doctor about something. 452 00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:16,918 Mentally, Gypsy is behind. 453 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,417 She's at the level of a seven-year-old 454 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:20,125 on mother's information. 455 00:22:20,209 --> 00:22:22,167 And this is something that you see 456 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:24,542 almost across all of the records, 457 00:22:24,626 --> 00:22:29,042 is "Upon mother's information," "Upon history by mother." 458 00:22:29,125 --> 00:22:32,000 So she's talking to the doctor here and she's talking about 459 00:22:32,083 --> 00:22:35,751 how she has mental and developmental delays, needs assistance. 460 00:22:35,834 --> 00:22:39,042 Apparently, "while holding her hands over Gypsy's ears, 461 00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:42,250 so as not offend, history of mental retardation-- 462 00:22:42,334 --> 00:22:44,292 seven-year-old level, per mom." 463 00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:49,250 And so, this was the one time where a doctor actually put in the record 464 00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:52,417 that Dee Dee's got her hands over Gypsy's ears, 465 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:56,125 so Gypsy can't even hear what Mom is telling the doctor. 466 00:22:56,209 --> 00:22:58,292 Then we get into the family history. 467 00:22:58,375 --> 00:23:00,042 The family history changed 468 00:23:00,125 --> 00:23:02,792 depending on what doctor she was at. 469 00:23:02,876 --> 00:23:05,792 You'll notice here, we don't get a whole lot of... 470 00:23:05,876 --> 00:23:08,334 - She's at the cardiologist. - Right, she's at the cardiologist, 471 00:23:08,417 --> 00:23:10,584 and so they all died of a heart attack. 472 00:23:10,667 --> 00:23:11,876 ( sighs ) 473 00:23:11,959 --> 00:23:14,959 Now, this was the first one that jumped out at me. 474 00:23:16,709 --> 00:23:18,751 She ends up going to the neurologist, 475 00:23:18,834 --> 00:23:21,876 Dr. Flasterstein, and so... 476 00:23:21,959 --> 00:23:25,626 the very first thing right off the bat-- "Mother is not a good historian," 477 00:23:25,709 --> 00:23:30,667 which is interesting, because he puts that in bold and underlines it. 478 00:23:30,751 --> 00:23:33,167 Dr. Flasterstein: One of the things that was a big discrepancy 479 00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:36,209 was that for a person that has not walked 480 00:23:36,292 --> 00:23:38,751 for nine years, for years, 481 00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:41,083 she should have, technically, 482 00:23:41,167 --> 00:23:44,292 almost no muscles in her lower extremities. 483 00:23:44,375 --> 00:23:48,876 But she did have muscles that looked quite normal. 484 00:23:48,959 --> 00:23:51,542 And she was able to support her body weight. 485 00:23:51,626 --> 00:23:53,876 I remember her standing. 486 00:23:53,959 --> 00:23:57,209 So, I had a big doubt about the whole thing, from the beginning. 487 00:23:57,292 --> 00:24:00,125 Stanfield: He says, "Since last seen, 488 00:24:00,209 --> 00:24:03,167 I managed to talk to one of her previous providers. 489 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,959 She specifically remembers Gypsy Rose and mentioned that her previous neurologist 490 00:24:07,042 --> 00:24:11,959 clearly reported the fact that Gypsy does not have muscular dystrophy. 491 00:24:12,042 --> 00:24:15,083 Analyzing all the facts, and after talking to her previous pediatrician, 492 00:24:15,167 --> 00:24:18,292 - there's a strong possibility of Munchausen by proxy..." - What? 493 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:22,667 ...with maybe some underlying, unknown ideology to explain her symptoms." 494 00:24:27,959 --> 00:24:32,375 Once in a while, we report patients to Social Services. 495 00:24:32,459 --> 00:24:36,042 We do that when we feel that there's a neglect. 496 00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:39,334 But a neglect is different from what this mom was doing. 497 00:24:39,417 --> 00:24:41,083 She wasn't really neglecting her, 498 00:24:41,167 --> 00:24:44,125 she was overtreating her. 499 00:24:44,209 --> 00:24:46,250 We have a system, 500 00:24:46,334 --> 00:24:48,125 which is a big integrated system, 501 00:24:48,209 --> 00:24:52,042 that decided to adopt her and bring her, support her. 502 00:24:52,125 --> 00:24:54,918 So many people looking at her, 503 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,083 knowing the history, knowing what she was going through, 504 00:24:58,167 --> 00:25:00,334 knowing what she went through, 505 00:25:00,417 --> 00:25:02,834 I would have been rejected on the spot. 506 00:25:02,918 --> 00:25:05,375 So all that I could do was put that in my notes. 507 00:25:05,459 --> 00:25:08,626 Nobody in the system ever said anything about it, 508 00:25:08,709 --> 00:25:11,167 and I didn't see it right to keep going 509 00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:15,918 in convincing other people that something is not right here. 510 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,209 - Now... - Un-freakin'-believable. 511 00:25:18,292 --> 00:25:21,083 ...here's the interesting thing. 512 00:25:21,167 --> 00:25:23,667 This is the last record 513 00:25:23,751 --> 00:25:27,334 from Mercy, here in Springfield, until 2015. 514 00:25:27,417 --> 00:25:28,876 So, this is 2007. 515 00:25:28,959 --> 00:25:30,626 Rod: Eight years. 516 00:25:30,709 --> 00:25:35,042 What I couldn't figure out was how Dee Dee figured out 517 00:25:35,125 --> 00:25:37,792 that Dr. Flasterstein was on to her. 518 00:25:37,876 --> 00:25:40,334 But if you look at a lot these social work notes, 519 00:25:40,417 --> 00:25:44,000 Dee Dee's requesting medical records. 520 00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:46,667 She would have gotten a copy of this letter. 521 00:25:46,751 --> 00:25:50,042 But I still don't understand 522 00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:54,709 why you put your child through this. 523 00:25:56,042 --> 00:25:58,751 I don't know. I mean, the thing is... 524 00:25:58,834 --> 00:26:01,500 - Good question. - ...it just keeps going. 525 00:26:01,584 --> 00:26:03,292 And it would have kept going 526 00:26:03,375 --> 00:26:10,209 'cause her mama was an insane, compulsive liar. 527 00:26:19,417 --> 00:26:23,292 Rod: Dee Dee and I met at the bowling alley one night. 528 00:26:23,375 --> 00:26:26,000 Met up again a couple of weeks later. 529 00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:29,792 And then we started dating then. 530 00:26:29,876 --> 00:26:30,876 She got pregnant. 531 00:26:30,959 --> 00:26:33,751 She got pregnant and... 532 00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:36,542 being from the South, I guess, it was-- 533 00:26:36,626 --> 00:26:39,334 I was raised where you got a girl pregnant, 534 00:26:39,417 --> 00:26:40,834 then you got married. 535 00:26:40,918 --> 00:26:43,375 There was no other question about what you did. 536 00:26:45,417 --> 00:26:46,959 I was 17. 537 00:26:48,918 --> 00:26:50,626 I woke up on my 18th birthday 538 00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:53,334 and I'm like, "What am I doing here?" 539 00:26:55,542 --> 00:26:57,125 She was kind of into some dark-- 540 00:26:57,209 --> 00:26:58,918 darkness-- dark things. 541 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,626 Uh... 542 00:27:00,709 --> 00:27:02,626 she started talking a little bit about witchcrafts 543 00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:07,500 and just different weird, dark stuff like that. 544 00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:09,500 It was kind of weird. 545 00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:11,209 She had a pet tarantula. 546 00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:20,542 Dee Dee was my aunt. 547 00:27:20,626 --> 00:27:25,709 Um, real... weird girl. 548 00:27:25,792 --> 00:27:29,000 I would think she's bipolar, no doubt. 549 00:27:29,083 --> 00:27:31,751 Multiple personalities, perhaps. 550 00:27:33,792 --> 00:27:35,918 Definitely... 551 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,042 an evil person, I would say, you know? 552 00:27:44,709 --> 00:27:48,792 To shave your kid's head and say that she's got leukemia? 553 00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,959 You're a sick individual. 554 00:27:51,042 --> 00:27:54,250 ( music playing ) 555 00:27:54,334 --> 00:27:56,751 MC: At this time, we'd like to present to you 556 00:27:56,834 --> 00:27:59,834 South Lafourche ROTC Military Queen, 557 00:27:59,918 --> 00:28:01,751 Ms. Clauddinea Pitre. 558 00:28:01,834 --> 00:28:05,709 Her escort-- Sergeant Earl Longden. 559 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,250 Clauddine "Dee Dee" Pitre... 560 00:28:10,334 --> 00:28:12,500 ( continues indistinctly ) 561 00:28:15,292 --> 00:28:17,209 ( tinkling ) 562 00:28:24,459 --> 00:28:27,209 Carr: What was Dee Dee like as a child? 563 00:28:27,292 --> 00:28:28,542 What, baby? 564 00:28:28,626 --> 00:28:30,709 What was Dee Dee like as a child? 565 00:28:30,792 --> 00:28:34,459 - What was Dee Dee like as a child? - Dee Dee? 566 00:28:34,542 --> 00:28:36,292 She was okay. 567 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:38,459 We were pretty close, me and her. 568 00:28:38,542 --> 00:28:42,334 Yeah, I would give her everything that she wanted anyway. 569 00:28:42,417 --> 00:28:44,417 Whatever she wanted. 570 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,959 Except a dog in the house. I didn't want that. 571 00:28:47,042 --> 00:28:49,167 Now we wind up-- we got two dogs in the house. 572 00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:52,584 ( chuckles ) 573 00:28:52,667 --> 00:28:56,000 Ahem, but this-- she was something else. 574 00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:02,792 Laura Pitre: She was a very filthy person. 575 00:29:02,876 --> 00:29:04,709 If it didn't go her way, 576 00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:06,751 she'd see to it that you would pay. 577 00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:09,459 And did we pay. 578 00:29:09,542 --> 00:29:11,417 Paid a lot. 579 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,500 She opened credit cards in my dad's name, 580 00:29:13,584 --> 00:29:16,834 my grandpa's name, ran up crazy bills. 581 00:29:16,918 --> 00:29:20,083 Supposedly, America's Most Wanted was looking for this girl. 582 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,667 Laura: 583 00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:30,918 Slidell-- she was wanted. 584 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,751 Bad checks in New Orleans. 585 00:29:34,042 --> 00:29:35,459 Claude: No matter where she went, 586 00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:37,918 she was doing all kind of stuff. 587 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,500 She was poisoning my stepmother. 588 00:29:40,584 --> 00:29:43,792 Supposedly, she was giving her some... 589 00:29:43,876 --> 00:29:47,167 Roundup in her food and stuff. 590 00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:50,000 She was putting some poison in my food. 591 00:29:50,083 --> 00:29:52,209 The same thing she had put in the plant. 592 00:29:52,292 --> 00:29:55,751 And she wind up-- she stayed nine months in bed after that. 593 00:29:55,834 --> 00:29:57,083 She couldn't get up. 594 00:29:57,167 --> 00:29:59,042 I didn't think she was going to make it. 595 00:29:59,125 --> 00:30:01,417 There was nothing she couldn't get away with. 596 00:30:06,167 --> 00:30:08,542 Laura: Her mama was a little bit like her. 597 00:30:08,626 --> 00:30:11,209 Claude: Yeah, her mama, too. 598 00:30:11,292 --> 00:30:16,500 Her mama was a shoplifter and all kind of stuff. 599 00:30:16,584 --> 00:30:19,083 I don't know how many times she had to go to court 600 00:30:19,167 --> 00:30:20,792 for shoplifting and other things. 601 00:30:25,042 --> 00:30:27,751 Laura: She had stolen how much money from your daddy? 602 00:30:27,834 --> 00:30:30,709 Before he got married, she had stolen 603 00:30:30,792 --> 00:30:33,667 I think it's $3,000 or $4,000 from my daddy. 604 00:30:35,918 --> 00:30:38,500 Bobby: I think ever since my grandmother died, 605 00:30:38,584 --> 00:30:41,042 Dee Dee kind of went off the deep end. 606 00:30:42,792 --> 00:30:44,417 Kristy: The day that her mom died, 607 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:46,459 Dee Dee was in the house somewhere, 608 00:30:46,542 --> 00:30:49,667 and Dee Dee was starving her. 609 00:30:49,751 --> 00:30:53,125 Like, she wasn't-- Dee Dee wasn't giving her anything to eat. 610 00:30:54,542 --> 00:30:55,876 I asked her sister-- 611 00:30:55,959 --> 00:30:57,459 you know, I was like, "I hate to ask this, 612 00:30:57,542 --> 00:31:00,209 but you think Dee Dee had anything to do 613 00:31:00,292 --> 00:31:02,667 with her mom's death?" 614 00:31:02,751 --> 00:31:05,876 And she, you know, said, 615 00:31:05,959 --> 00:31:07,584 "Now I wonder." 616 00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:11,834 That's how evil she was. 617 00:31:14,542 --> 00:31:17,167 To leave your mama dirty and asking for food 618 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:18,959 and not want to feed her... 619 00:31:19,042 --> 00:31:21,626 - Yeah. - ...that's evil. 620 00:31:24,209 --> 00:31:27,125 Carr: Were you sad at all when you heard she was dead? 621 00:31:29,167 --> 00:31:31,000 Me? 622 00:31:31,083 --> 00:31:33,959 I didn't believe it. 623 00:31:34,042 --> 00:31:36,626 - It didn't-- - It just didn't sink. 624 00:31:36,709 --> 00:31:39,667 It took a few days before... you know? 625 00:31:39,751 --> 00:31:42,792 I didn't believe that she was dead. 626 00:31:42,876 --> 00:31:46,626 I thought it was another one of her tricks. 627 00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:48,918 I said, "Who did Dee Dee piss off now? 628 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,042 You know, what kind of shit did Dee Dee get into?" 629 00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:54,334 I wasn't thinking, "Oh, God, my aunt's dead." 630 00:31:54,417 --> 00:31:56,834 Because I figured that one day she'd piss off somebody 631 00:31:56,918 --> 00:31:58,709 to that point, you know? 632 00:31:58,792 --> 00:32:02,417 And I actually did think that it would probably be Gypsy, you know? 633 00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:06,292 And whenever-- we later got the word 634 00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:08,876 that Gypsy was fine and she was by her boyfriend's house, 635 00:32:08,959 --> 00:32:11,000 we were like, "She killed her mama. She finally did it. 636 00:32:11,083 --> 00:32:12,334 She couldn't take it anymore." 637 00:32:12,417 --> 00:32:13,792 She finally just said, "Fuck it all. 638 00:32:13,876 --> 00:32:15,459 I'm killing this bitch." 639 00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:19,000 Carr: Do you think she got what she deserved? 640 00:32:19,083 --> 00:32:21,626 - According to Gypsy, yes. - Yes. 641 00:32:21,709 --> 00:32:24,667 Yeah, she got what she deserved. 642 00:32:24,751 --> 00:32:28,125 I know all the brothers and sisters don't care 643 00:32:28,209 --> 00:32:30,375 about Dee Dee no more. 644 00:32:30,459 --> 00:32:33,125 Gypsy-- she got cremated. 645 00:32:33,209 --> 00:32:35,209 She said, "What you want me to do with the ashes?" 646 00:32:35,292 --> 00:32:37,375 Everybody said, "I don't want her. I don't want her." 647 00:32:37,459 --> 00:32:40,751 - Darla said, "Flush 'em." - I told her, "Flush that in the toilet." 648 00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:43,292 ( laughing ) I didn't want it. 649 00:32:43,375 --> 00:32:45,709 Her sister said, "Flush that in the toilet." 650 00:32:45,792 --> 00:32:47,918 She said, "We're going to bring that in Mama's room, 651 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,459 make her a mass and everything." 652 00:32:49,542 --> 00:32:52,125 "You going to pay for it? I'm not paying for it. 653 00:32:52,209 --> 00:32:55,459 We can't afford it. Flush it in the toilet." 654 00:32:57,042 --> 00:33:01,083 >>GREENE COUNTY COURTHOUSE NOVEMBER 9,2015<< 655 00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:16,584 ( cameras clicking ) 656 00:33:16,667 --> 00:33:19,584 Reporter: Prosecutors have decided not to seek the death penalty 657 00:33:19,667 --> 00:33:21,667 against a Springfield woman and her boyfriend, 658 00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:25,250 both of whom are accused of murdering the woman's mother. 659 00:33:25,334 --> 00:33:27,751 Reporter #2: The announcement comes after several conversations 660 00:33:27,834 --> 00:33:29,667 between the defense and prosecution, 661 00:33:29,751 --> 00:33:32,500 both agreeing this was the best decision. 662 00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:35,584 Patterson: Being a prosecutor, 663 00:33:35,667 --> 00:33:37,792 the standard is to do what's right 664 00:33:37,876 --> 00:33:39,167 and what's just. 665 00:33:40,417 --> 00:33:42,209 When you look at the mitigators 666 00:33:42,292 --> 00:33:45,042 as well as the background of these individuals as we know it, 667 00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:46,876 as well as the facts of the case, 668 00:33:46,959 --> 00:33:49,876 this case was not an appropriate first-degree murder case 669 00:33:49,959 --> 00:33:51,667 in which to seek the death penalty. 670 00:33:51,751 --> 00:33:55,500 This is a case that we haven't dealt with, 671 00:33:55,584 --> 00:33:58,667 and it's because it's so unusual. 672 00:33:58,751 --> 00:34:00,876 I mean, it really is an unusual case. 673 00:34:02,417 --> 00:34:05,042 What we thought initially may be a victim 674 00:34:05,125 --> 00:34:06,626 turns out to be a suspect, 675 00:34:06,709 --> 00:34:09,959 and in the middle of a story that is twisted. 676 00:34:10,042 --> 00:34:12,834 We think we know who Gypsy is, 677 00:34:12,918 --> 00:34:15,751 but once this trial starts, 678 00:34:15,834 --> 00:34:17,709 we'll be able to see her life unfold 679 00:34:17,792 --> 00:34:21,751 and find out exactly what she was all about. 680 00:34:21,834 --> 00:34:24,209 ( music playing ) >>HOME VIDEO FROM ONE OF DEE DEE AND GYPSY'S TRIPS TO DISNEY WORLD<< 681 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:27,626 Hi, everybody. 682 00:34:27,709 --> 00:34:30,334 Right now, I'm in Cinderella's castle 683 00:34:30,417 --> 00:34:33,959 eating some real mashed potatoes. 684 00:34:34,042 --> 00:34:35,751 Mm! 685 00:34:35,834 --> 00:34:37,250 That is good. 686 00:34:42,834 --> 00:34:44,751 Dean: Gypsy loved Disney 687 00:34:44,834 --> 00:34:47,751 because they were stories that resolved 688 00:34:47,834 --> 00:34:49,459 in happy ways. 689 00:34:49,542 --> 00:34:53,209 And ultimately, her story was not resolving in a happy way. 690 00:34:54,876 --> 00:34:58,500 Gypsy: I liked the Disney movie "Tangled." >>DISNEY'S TANGLED<< 691 00:34:59,792 --> 00:35:01,209 It's about Rapunzel. 692 00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:05,000 She's a princess in this kingdom 693 00:35:05,083 --> 00:35:09,459 and she's kidnapped by Mother Gothel 694 00:35:09,542 --> 00:35:10,876 from her real family. 695 00:35:12,334 --> 00:35:14,792 And Mother Gothel keeps her 696 00:35:14,876 --> 00:35:17,542 in this tower for all of her life 697 00:35:17,626 --> 00:35:20,000 and tells her, "Don't leave this tower." 698 00:35:20,083 --> 00:35:23,792 And so, that is all she knows. 699 00:35:23,876 --> 00:35:26,042 Woodmansee: I think that Gypsy just wanted her life 700 00:35:26,125 --> 00:35:29,083 to be like any fairy tale princess 701 00:35:29,167 --> 00:35:32,334 and have the perfect ending. 702 00:35:32,417 --> 00:35:35,417 You know, all the bad villains get what they deserve. 703 00:35:37,083 --> 00:35:40,083 Gypsy: At the end, Mother Gothel died. 704 00:35:40,167 --> 00:35:42,250 She got thrown out a window, 705 00:35:42,334 --> 00:35:47,042 um, because Rapunzel tried to stand up for herself 706 00:35:47,125 --> 00:35:49,000 and leave her tower. 707 00:35:49,083 --> 00:35:51,626 But in Disney movies, everything's a fantasy. 708 00:35:51,709 --> 00:35:53,083 It's a fairy tale, 709 00:35:53,167 --> 00:35:55,667 and life is not a fairy tale. 710 00:35:55,751 --> 00:35:58,375 I learned all that the hard way. 711 00:36:01,167 --> 00:36:03,167 Stanfield: I don't think calling Gypsy's life sheltered 712 00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:05,334 would do it justice. 713 00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:07,751 I've kind of come to describe it 714 00:36:07,834 --> 00:36:09,918 as a fairy tale nightmare. 715 00:36:11,834 --> 00:36:15,542 Her mother controlled almost every aspect of her life. 716 00:36:16,918 --> 00:36:19,000 Dr. Feldman: The control was total 717 00:36:19,083 --> 00:36:22,709 in the same sense that the control of a kidnapped victim 718 00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:26,125 sometimes is total. 719 00:36:26,209 --> 00:36:28,709 Her daughter was, in essence, a hostage, 720 00:36:28,792 --> 00:36:31,542 and I think we can understand the crime 721 00:36:31,626 --> 00:36:33,459 that occurred subsequently 722 00:36:33,542 --> 00:36:38,000 in terms of a hostage trying to gain escape. 723 00:36:40,834 --> 00:36:42,709 Woodmansee: Any time Gypsy and I were together, 724 00:36:42,792 --> 00:36:45,334 her mom was always present. 725 00:36:45,417 --> 00:36:47,918 She was immediately like a filter for us, you know. 726 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,083 Like, Gypsy wouldn't talk about anything personal 727 00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:52,500 while we were together. 728 00:36:52,584 --> 00:36:55,167 That's like, really, the big red flag, 729 00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:57,292 thinking back on it all now. 730 00:36:58,751 --> 00:37:02,083 Dee Dee would always hold Gypsy's hand, you know? 731 00:37:02,167 --> 00:37:04,834 It was like, I don't know-- it was almost like, you know, just, 732 00:37:04,918 --> 00:37:07,042 "If I squeeze it, you'll know what to say." 733 00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:09,250 I mean, that was just so strange to me. 734 00:37:09,334 --> 00:37:11,959 Just to feel it now, I think that was really strange. 735 00:37:12,042 --> 00:37:14,125 Even in videos I've seen since then, 736 00:37:14,209 --> 00:37:15,667 I'm like, "Yep, it's just the same thing." 737 00:37:15,751 --> 00:37:17,959 It's like she's holding her hand. 738 00:37:21,209 --> 00:37:25,083 I mean, now I'm-- it was maybe a control thing. 739 00:37:25,167 --> 00:37:28,918 Dr. Feldman: The hand-holding and the tight hugs 740 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,834 is a way of asserting mastery over another person 741 00:37:31,918 --> 00:37:34,542 and saying, "You're not free. 742 00:37:34,626 --> 00:37:37,167 You are under my control at all times, 743 00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:39,876 even in relatively benign situations 744 00:37:39,959 --> 00:37:41,751 like our being photographed 745 00:37:41,834 --> 00:37:44,000 getting the Habitat for Humanity home." 746 00:37:44,083 --> 00:37:46,959 You know, those are innocuously happy occasions, 747 00:37:47,042 --> 00:37:49,292 but they were also occasions where Dee Dee 748 00:37:49,375 --> 00:37:52,667 reasserted her mastery over Gypsy. 749 00:37:52,751 --> 00:37:54,334 My mom had cake... 750 00:37:54,417 --> 00:37:56,959 Gypsy: If we were in a group of friends, 751 00:37:57,042 --> 00:37:59,209 you know, if I said something that I wasn't supposed to, 752 00:37:59,292 --> 00:38:02,584 she'd squeeze my hand, and I'd know, "Zip it." 753 00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:08,959 I was just afraid, just too afraid. 754 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,500 Dr. Feldman: I have a strong feeling 755 00:38:13,584 --> 00:38:16,792 that the extent of the control over her, 756 00:38:16,876 --> 00:38:19,209 heavily psychological as it was, 757 00:38:19,292 --> 00:38:22,042 would've involved physical punishment as well. 758 00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:24,083 She'd hit me with a coat hanger... 759 00:38:25,792 --> 00:38:27,751 or her-- or her palm. 760 00:38:29,417 --> 00:38:31,375 And I'd have to take so many slaps 761 00:38:31,459 --> 00:38:33,751 for-- depending on what, 762 00:38:33,834 --> 00:38:36,334 how severe it was, I did. 763 00:38:36,417 --> 00:38:39,292 - Carr: Did you ever try to hit back? - Never. 764 00:38:39,375 --> 00:38:41,209 Never. 765 00:38:41,292 --> 00:38:43,000 It's like if you have a baby 766 00:38:43,083 --> 00:38:44,500 and you, like, get in its face 767 00:38:44,584 --> 00:38:47,209 and the baby starts to struggle and get away from you. 768 00:38:47,292 --> 00:38:50,334 Now picture that happening for your whole life, right? 769 00:38:50,417 --> 00:38:54,500 Your mother is just in your face and will not get away. 770 00:38:54,584 --> 00:38:58,250 That's basically what Gypsy's whole life was like. 771 00:38:58,334 --> 00:38:59,876 It's snowing. 772 00:38:59,959 --> 00:39:02,083 I'm not joking. >>DEE DEE AT HOME IN MISSOURI<< 773 00:39:02,167 --> 00:39:03,918 They said it's snowing, 774 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,584 so I'm staying under my heating blankie. 775 00:39:07,667 --> 00:39:12,250 - ( Gypsy giggling ) - And I'm not getting out, mm-mm. 776 00:39:13,459 --> 00:39:15,584 She wants to get out. 777 00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:17,918 Ain't gonna happen. 778 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,375 Let her doll take care of her. 779 00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:22,250 Gypsy: Oh! 780 00:39:30,959 --> 00:39:33,292 Her mother was so suffocating, 781 00:39:33,375 --> 00:39:37,042 so powerful, so manipulative 782 00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:41,125 that Gypsy may have felt any efforts to escape 783 00:39:41,209 --> 00:39:42,584 were bound to fail. 784 00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:46,083 The first time I ran away from home, 785 00:39:46,167 --> 00:39:48,250 I had met a friend. 786 00:39:48,334 --> 00:39:52,709 We both went to this sci-fi fantasy convention called Visioncon. 787 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,626 I told him vaguely 788 00:39:56,709 --> 00:39:59,167 about what was going on at home. 789 00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:03,083 And he told me, you know, "You just pack your stuff 790 00:40:03,167 --> 00:40:07,167 and you can come live with me in Arkansas." 791 00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:09,959 And I said, "Okay." 792 00:40:12,584 --> 00:40:15,959 I stepped out, got a ride from a stranger, 793 00:40:16,042 --> 00:40:18,042 and went over to his place. 794 00:40:18,125 --> 00:40:21,918 And then within, like, four hours, my mom found me at his place 795 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,417 because we had mutual friends in common. 796 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,626 So she was threatening to call the cops on him. 797 00:40:27,709 --> 00:40:29,459 And she took me back home 798 00:40:29,542 --> 00:40:31,876 and smashed my computer with a hammer, 799 00:40:31,959 --> 00:40:33,709 smashed my cell phone with a hammer and said, 800 00:40:33,792 --> 00:40:35,918 "If you ever try to do that again, 801 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,209 I'm going to smash your fingers with a hammer." 802 00:40:39,334 --> 00:40:40,626 It was a rough year. 803 00:40:40,709 --> 00:40:42,876 I call that "the bad times." 804 00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:48,000 She had taken this dog leash 805 00:40:48,083 --> 00:40:50,709 and clipped it to a pair of handcuffs, 806 00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:53,167 and clipped the handcuffs to the bed 807 00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:57,542 and kept-- it was like that for about two weeks. 808 00:40:57,626 --> 00:41:00,751 My mom had actually convinced a lawyer 809 00:41:00,834 --> 00:41:04,417 to draw up some papers saying that I was incompetent. 810 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:07,459 So I thought if I had tried to go to the police, 811 00:41:07,542 --> 00:41:11,250 they'd look at these papers and say, "She's retarded. 812 00:41:11,334 --> 00:41:14,042 She doesn't know what she's talking about." 813 00:41:14,125 --> 00:41:15,751 Gypsy has essentially fallen 814 00:41:15,834 --> 00:41:18,459 through every crack there is in the system. 815 00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:20,209 The Greene County sheriff's deputies 816 00:41:20,292 --> 00:41:23,167 came out to the house on an anonymous report 817 00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:25,959 that Gypsy was potentially being abused. 818 00:41:26,042 --> 00:41:29,167 And they came to the house, they spoke with Dee Dee, 819 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:33,167 and Dee Dee did exactly what she does all the time-- 820 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:35,584 she manipulated the police officers, 821 00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:38,751 showed them a few things, and they left. 822 00:41:38,834 --> 00:41:40,083 And at that point, 823 00:41:40,167 --> 00:41:43,918 Gypsy has absolutely nowhere else to turn. 824 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,417 Literally everyone failed her. 825 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:46,959 Literally. 826 00:41:47,042 --> 00:41:49,334 The doctors who were positioned 827 00:41:49,417 --> 00:41:53,250 as there to help her didn't help her. 828 00:41:53,334 --> 00:41:54,959 Her father, 829 00:41:55,042 --> 00:41:58,500 who I think was in a very difficult position, 830 00:41:58,584 --> 00:41:59,918 couldn't help her. 831 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:04,292 How was she supposed to think anybody could? 832 00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:06,125 I was just kind of at that point where you're like, 833 00:42:06,209 --> 00:42:10,626 "I'm angry at the world and this is unfair." 834 00:42:10,709 --> 00:42:15,375 Why couldn't anybody figure this out before it got this bad? 835 00:42:17,125 --> 00:42:18,876 ( chatter ) 836 00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:25,083 - Woman: Gypsy. - Dee Dee: Over here, baby. 837 00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:29,250 We all kind of did see how Gypsy was being treated by Dee Dee, 838 00:42:29,334 --> 00:42:33,250 not that it was like horrible, beating the shit out of her 839 00:42:33,334 --> 00:42:35,626 in the back room with a freaking cable, you know? 840 00:42:35,709 --> 00:42:38,959 She would just-- she put her in a wheelchair and told her, 841 00:42:39,042 --> 00:42:42,042 "Your leg's messed up. You can't walk." 842 00:42:46,375 --> 00:42:49,250 Her sister told me once, "Rod, you know, 843 00:42:49,334 --> 00:42:51,250 Gypsy can walk." 844 00:42:51,334 --> 00:42:53,042 And I asked Dee Dee about it. 845 00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:56,584 She's like, "Yeah, well, with her muscular dystrophy 846 00:42:56,667 --> 00:43:00,751 or with her disease, her muscles hurt sometimes. 847 00:43:00,834 --> 00:43:03,751 So sometimes she can walk when she's feeling okay, 848 00:43:03,834 --> 00:43:05,500 but it's progressive. 849 00:43:05,584 --> 00:43:07,292 It's going to get worse." 850 00:43:07,375 --> 00:43:11,167 And it wasn't long after that that they were-- 851 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:13,751 they started moving further and further away. 852 00:43:13,834 --> 00:43:16,667 And there was nobody there to question-- 853 00:43:16,751 --> 00:43:19,417 question that anymore, you know? 854 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:23,667 After all of the doors had been closed-- 855 00:43:23,751 --> 00:43:26,500 family, friends, the police-- 856 00:43:26,584 --> 00:43:30,459 I think that Gypsy felt she had no other-- 857 00:43:30,542 --> 00:43:31,751 no other avenue. 858 00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:41,042 Gypsy: I met Nick through a Christian dating website. 859 00:43:41,125 --> 00:43:43,167 He was one of the profiles that I had saw. 860 00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:46,500 Thought he was cute, so I checked him out, sent him a wink. 861 00:43:46,584 --> 00:43:48,542 He sent me one back. 862 00:44:00,125 --> 00:44:03,542 Once you met on there, what happened? 863 00:44:03,626 --> 00:44:06,375 We got closer on there, 864 00:44:06,459 --> 00:44:10,167 and we connected more and more. 865 00:44:15,584 --> 00:44:17,667 Godejohn: The way that we clicked, 866 00:44:17,751 --> 00:44:20,584 we somehow just knew we were right for each other. 867 00:44:24,584 --> 00:44:28,584 Four days later, we started a relationship together. 868 00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,918 Dean: Gypsy had no template for romance 869 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,751 that wasn't this sort of heightened Prince Charming narrative. 870 00:44:48,542 --> 00:44:50,542 And Nick just happened to be there. 871 00:44:51,959 --> 00:44:53,334 His background equipped him 872 00:44:53,417 --> 00:44:55,042 with a bad narrative in different ways. 873 00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:56,918 So, it was like two bad narratives 874 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,459 collided with each other. 875 00:44:58,542 --> 00:45:01,334 What kind of person-- if somebody never met him, 876 00:45:01,417 --> 00:45:02,709 what kind of person is Nick? 877 00:45:02,792 --> 00:45:05,876 He's pretty quiet, kept to himself, you know. 878 00:45:05,959 --> 00:45:09,209 We always tell him he's got to get out and mingle, you know. 879 00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:12,459 - Sure. - But he's like, "I'm afraid of getting backstabbed, 880 00:45:12,542 --> 00:45:15,334 because everybody backstabs you," and all that stuff. 881 00:45:15,417 --> 00:45:18,292 He has autism, you know, Asperger's. 882 00:45:18,375 --> 00:45:21,626 Has he been diagnosed with autism and Asperger's? 883 00:45:21,709 --> 00:45:22,959 - Yes. - Okay. 884 00:45:23,042 --> 00:45:24,709 Stephanie: Last doctor he talked to, 885 00:45:24,792 --> 00:45:27,584 they said his mind is probably always going to be 15, 16, 886 00:45:27,667 --> 00:45:29,417 right around there. 887 00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:31,792 At first, it was all lighthearted, you know. 888 00:45:31,876 --> 00:45:33,083 "If you got married, 889 00:45:33,167 --> 00:45:34,751 where would you like to have your honeymoon?" 890 00:45:34,834 --> 00:45:36,792 You know, "Where would you like to get married? 891 00:45:36,876 --> 00:45:38,626 Where are all the places you want to travel?" 892 00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:41,167 Different things like that, normal stuff. 893 00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:44,209 And as it progressed, things got weird. 894 00:45:44,292 --> 00:45:46,250 ( chuckles ) 895 00:45:46,334 --> 00:45:49,709 He started talking about something called BDSM. 896 00:46:04,292 --> 00:46:06,083 Gypsy: And at first, I didn't know what it was, 897 00:46:06,167 --> 00:46:08,000 so I looked it up. 898 00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:11,167 And once I looked it up, I was like, "I don't want to do this." 899 00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:14,542 And then he kind of just talked me into it 900 00:46:14,626 --> 00:46:17,626 and was like, "It'll be fine," you know? 901 00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:19,292 "Try this with me." 902 00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:22,667 And so, I agreed to it. 903 00:46:25,459 --> 00:46:29,125 I was taught that a woman's role is to be submissive 904 00:46:29,209 --> 00:46:30,876 and the man is dominant, 905 00:46:30,959 --> 00:46:33,500 so I didn't think it was that outlandish. 906 00:46:36,334 --> 00:46:40,709 Then his ex had messaged me. 907 00:46:40,792 --> 00:46:45,042 She told me, you know, he's a really bad guy. 908 00:46:45,125 --> 00:46:47,250 He thinks he's a vampire 909 00:46:47,334 --> 00:46:50,959 and he's into all this dominant/submissive stuff. 910 00:46:51,042 --> 00:46:53,042 And I was thinking, it's just an ex. 911 00:46:53,125 --> 00:46:55,375 You know, she's just badmouthing him. 912 00:46:55,459 --> 00:46:59,167 She doesn't know anything. She's jealous, blah, blah, blah. 913 00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:00,626 She was right. 914 00:47:00,709 --> 00:47:02,918 Godejohn also has a criminal past. 915 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,626 In 2013 he was arrested after investigators say 916 00:47:05,709 --> 00:47:08,417 he was watching pornography and fondling himself 917 00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:11,000 in a McDonald's restaurant for nine hours, 918 00:47:11,083 --> 00:47:14,250 police finding a large knife during the arrest. 919 00:47:14,334 --> 00:47:17,250 I really don't know what's wrong with him, 920 00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:21,250 but, I mean, it's not like I ever had a boyfriend before, 921 00:47:21,334 --> 00:47:25,375 so I really didn't know what was a normal relationship. 922 00:47:25,459 --> 00:47:28,042 How don't know how much she told you about me, but... 923 00:47:30,459 --> 00:47:32,083 Have you been diagnosed with that? 924 00:47:32,167 --> 00:47:33,792 I probably should be diagnosed with it 925 00:47:33,876 --> 00:47:35,584 because it-- it happens-- 926 00:47:35,667 --> 00:47:38,292 the thing is, I used to take a medication. 927 00:47:38,375 --> 00:47:40,792 I used to hear voices in my head. Then it went away. 928 00:47:40,876 --> 00:47:43,459 And then somehow it's a part of myself. 929 00:47:43,542 --> 00:47:46,125 Okay. Does Gypsy know that? 930 00:47:46,209 --> 00:47:48,792 - Yes. She does know that. - Okay. 931 00:47:48,876 --> 00:47:51,876 His multiple personalities would come out, 932 00:47:51,959 --> 00:47:55,417 and he had talked to me one day 933 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,834 and he was just like, "You know, I would like 934 00:47:57,918 --> 00:48:01,292 my other personalities to have a girlfriend." 935 00:48:01,375 --> 00:48:04,626 So I made up some individual personalities 936 00:48:04,709 --> 00:48:07,667 to match his other personalities. 937 00:48:19,292 --> 00:48:21,459 Godejohn: One side of her is named Kitty. 938 00:48:21,542 --> 00:48:23,626 It's like a little girl inside of her. 939 00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:28,792 We had another one called Candy. 940 00:48:32,709 --> 00:48:35,000 She has an evil side of herself as well. 941 00:48:35,083 --> 00:48:36,667 She used to call her Ruby. 942 00:48:38,792 --> 00:48:41,876 Gypsy: It was deaf, dumb, blind love. 943 00:48:45,083 --> 00:48:47,375 And sometimes, it's a big crazy love. 944 00:48:47,459 --> 00:48:51,042 Dean: One of the most interesting things about this case 945 00:48:51,125 --> 00:48:53,167 is that no matter how much control 946 00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:55,042 you have over an individual, 947 00:48:55,125 --> 00:48:58,542 you can't stop adolescent sexuality from blossoming. 948 00:48:59,918 --> 00:49:02,125 Her whole life, 949 00:49:02,209 --> 00:49:05,459 this had been a subject that was forbidden to her, 950 00:49:05,542 --> 00:49:07,751 and, ultimately, 951 00:49:07,834 --> 00:49:10,083 that turned into a really destructive force. 952 00:49:17,209 --> 00:49:20,250 Gypsy: Probably about a year into our relationship, 953 00:49:20,334 --> 00:49:23,083 I just couldn't lie to him anymore. 954 00:49:23,167 --> 00:49:26,667 And I just told him everything. 955 00:49:26,751 --> 00:49:29,250 Why did nobody know she could walk? 956 00:49:29,334 --> 00:49:32,459 Her mom wanted everyone to think 957 00:49:32,542 --> 00:49:34,709 that she was, like, 16 the entire time. 958 00:49:34,792 --> 00:49:39,751 So, yeah, she felt kind of trapped on a wheelchair 959 00:49:39,834 --> 00:49:42,375 when I actually was trying to encourage her 960 00:49:42,459 --> 00:49:44,209 to be able to walk more and more and more. 961 00:49:47,292 --> 00:49:50,667 Gypsy: It really didn't come up, like, "I want you to kill her." 962 00:49:52,167 --> 00:49:56,000 But he had said, "I'll protect you from anybody." 963 00:49:56,083 --> 00:49:58,167 And I said, "Anybody?" 964 00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,959 And he said, "Yeah." 965 00:50:00,042 --> 00:50:02,834 And I said, "Even my mom?" 966 00:50:02,918 --> 00:50:04,417 And he said, "Yeah." 967 00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,125 And that's where it kind of developed from there on. 968 00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,250 We'd call it "plan B." 969 00:50:13,459 --> 00:50:15,375 But we always pushed it back. 970 00:50:15,459 --> 00:50:17,083 You know, it was just a thought. 971 00:50:17,167 --> 00:50:18,626 It was never reality. 972 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,292 We'll consider other options. 973 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,542 We had planned a meeting at a movie theater. 974 00:50:30,626 --> 00:50:32,876 I and my mom was going to go see "Cinderella," 975 00:50:32,959 --> 00:50:35,209 the live-action version of "Cinderella," 976 00:50:35,292 --> 00:50:39,500 and I was like, "This is a perfect time for us to meet. 977 00:50:39,584 --> 00:50:42,626 I'll buy your ticket, and you come to the movie theater. 978 00:50:42,709 --> 00:50:46,209 We'll meet like we're just meeting as new friends, 979 00:50:46,292 --> 00:50:49,334 and it's going to be perfect." 980 00:50:49,417 --> 00:50:51,626 Godejohn: She wanted to have sex with me, so I did. 981 00:50:51,709 --> 00:50:53,375 Officer: Okay, she wanted to have sex with you? 982 00:50:53,459 --> 00:50:55,626 - Yes. - Wow, did her mom know? 983 00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:58,125 ( laughs ) Um, we kept it from her mom. 984 00:50:58,209 --> 00:51:01,250 Okay. Where did you have sex at in the theater? 985 00:51:01,334 --> 00:51:02,626 - It was in the bathroom. - Okay. 986 00:51:02,709 --> 00:51:04,626 In the girls' bathroom or boys' bathroom? 987 00:51:04,709 --> 00:51:07,375 She just took me in the boys' bathroom. I didn't have any choice. 988 00:51:07,459 --> 00:51:09,792 We went right into the boys' bathroom. She was okay with it. 989 00:51:09,876 --> 00:51:11,584 Okay, okay. 990 00:51:11,667 --> 00:51:14,250 And then what happened after you guys had sex in the theater? 991 00:51:14,334 --> 00:51:18,876 We went to our movie and watched it. 992 00:51:18,959 --> 00:51:21,918 They're all looking at you. 993 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000 Believe me, 994 00:51:24,083 --> 00:51:26,083 they are all looking at you. 995 00:51:27,542 --> 00:51:29,542 I don't know what it was, but, apparently, 996 00:51:29,626 --> 00:51:31,834 the night got ruined in some way. 997 00:51:31,918 --> 00:51:34,876 I couldn't-- I was trying to understand 998 00:51:34,959 --> 00:51:36,834 what was going on with her mom. 999 00:51:36,918 --> 00:51:39,334 She despised him. 1000 00:51:39,417 --> 00:51:42,125 She was like, "He's creepy. He's weird. 1001 00:51:42,209 --> 00:51:45,167 He's coming to see a kids' movie alone by himself." 1002 00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:48,083 And now looking back on it, yeah, it is weird. 1003 00:51:48,167 --> 00:51:50,167 We were the only people at the movies, 1004 00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:52,959 and he didn't have a kid with him 1005 00:51:53,042 --> 00:51:55,125 or a girlfriend or nothing. 1006 00:51:55,209 --> 00:52:00,000 He's just this guy going to see this chick movie. 1007 00:52:00,083 --> 00:52:01,626 Carr: Couldn't you have said that you have a friend 1008 00:52:01,709 --> 00:52:03,292 and you want to introduce them? 1009 00:52:03,375 --> 00:52:06,209 I wouldn't have had no way to meet him, you know? 1010 00:52:06,292 --> 00:52:09,709 I can't say I met him online or... 1011 00:52:09,792 --> 00:52:11,918 She's-- she was all the time with me, 1012 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,667 so there would be no other time to meet him. 1013 00:52:17,125 --> 00:52:22,375 Once all of those plans seemed to fall apart, 1014 00:52:22,459 --> 00:52:24,292 I just got desperate. 1015 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,918 Gypsy: He took a Greyhound bus. 1016 00:52:50,042 --> 00:52:52,375 I managed to scrape up enough money 1017 00:52:52,459 --> 00:52:54,500 to pay for him a ticket. 1018 00:52:57,667 --> 00:53:00,792 And the next day, we went to the grocery store, 1019 00:53:00,876 --> 00:53:03,292 came back home. 1020 00:53:03,375 --> 00:53:05,459 She went to sleep very, very late, 1021 00:53:05,542 --> 00:53:08,000 and I was up texting Nick. 1022 00:53:27,417 --> 00:53:29,792 ( voice breaking ) We painted each other's nails. 1023 00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:35,209 And I acted like everything was fine. 1024 00:53:39,459 --> 00:53:42,459 We had just recently got into an argument, 1025 00:53:42,542 --> 00:53:45,125 and we had made up. 1026 00:53:45,209 --> 00:53:47,959 And I said I was going to be a good girl. 1027 00:53:49,459 --> 00:53:52,751 And then she went to sleep 1028 00:53:52,834 --> 00:53:55,876 because I hurt her feelings or something. 1029 00:53:55,959 --> 00:53:59,792 She said, "I'm starting to feel more relaxed. 1030 00:53:59,876 --> 00:54:01,626 Don't hurt me." 1031 00:54:05,834 --> 00:54:09,042 The last words she said to me was "don't hurt me." 1032 00:54:26,083 --> 00:54:28,375 I went into the bathroom. 1033 00:54:28,459 --> 00:54:31,667 I got kind of in a fetal position 1034 00:54:31,751 --> 00:54:33,584 and I covered my ears. 1035 00:54:33,667 --> 00:54:37,626 And I heard my mom wake up. 1036 00:54:39,042 --> 00:54:41,834 And then she sounded startled. 1037 00:54:41,918 --> 00:54:46,959 And there was some noises that I can't make out, 1038 00:54:47,042 --> 00:54:52,834 and I heard her say my name a couple times. 1039 00:54:54,375 --> 00:54:59,083 And she said, "Help me." 1040 00:54:59,167 --> 00:55:00,876 And then there was just silence. 1041 00:55:03,542 --> 00:55:05,000 Carr: Did she scream? 1042 00:55:07,334 --> 00:55:08,626 Yeah. 1043 00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:16,125 Dean: This is about as clear a premeditated murder 1044 00:55:16,209 --> 00:55:18,334 as I've ever seen. 1045 00:55:19,751 --> 00:55:22,500 It's brutal. 1046 00:55:22,584 --> 00:55:25,000 And I think it would be very hard for anybody 1047 00:55:25,083 --> 00:55:28,584 to not have a moment of being taken aback. 1048 00:55:28,667 --> 00:55:32,167 Did you have sex with Dee Dee? 1049 00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:34,834 - No. - You didn't stick your penis anywhere on her? 1050 00:55:34,918 --> 00:55:36,334 - Nope. - Are you sure? 1051 00:55:36,417 --> 00:55:37,918 - Yep. - Positive? 1052 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,751 - I'm 100% positive. - Okay. 1053 00:55:39,834 --> 00:55:41,918 Did you stick your penis in her mouth? 1054 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,334 - Nope. - Okay. 1055 00:55:43,417 --> 00:55:45,626 Did your penis touch anywhere on Dee Dee's body? 1056 00:55:45,709 --> 00:55:46,918 - Nope. - Okay. 1057 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,918 Did your mouth touch anywhere on Dee Dee's body? 1058 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,417 - My mouth? No. - Okay. 1059 00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:52,209 - You didn't kiss her or... - Nope. 1060 00:55:52,292 --> 00:55:54,584 - ...lick her or anything like that? - Nope. 1061 00:55:54,667 --> 00:55:56,959 Okay. What do you think about people 1062 00:55:57,042 --> 00:55:59,375 that have sex with dead bodies? 1063 00:55:59,459 --> 00:56:02,000 I mean, it's quite disturbing, honestly. 1064 00:56:02,083 --> 00:56:04,292 Okay, that's-- that would bother you? 1065 00:56:04,375 --> 00:56:06,375 Yeah. I don't like necrophilia. 1066 00:56:06,459 --> 00:56:08,918 Okay, because I think one of the things 1067 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,626 that she might have said was that you had mentioned 1068 00:56:11,709 --> 00:56:13,500 that you'd like to rape her mom. 1069 00:56:13,584 --> 00:56:17,292 - Yeah, at one point, I was thinking about it. - Okay. 1070 00:56:17,375 --> 00:56:19,334 He had wanted to rape my mother. 1071 00:56:19,417 --> 00:56:20,792 That's what he wanted to do. 1072 00:56:20,876 --> 00:56:22,459 He was like, "I'm going to kill her, 1073 00:56:22,542 --> 00:56:25,584 but I'm going to do it my way, and I'm going to rape her." 1074 00:56:25,667 --> 00:56:28,959 So what I did was I made a deal with him. 1075 00:56:29,042 --> 00:56:34,000 I'd let him rape me, and-- 1076 00:56:34,083 --> 00:56:37,042 and then he wouldn't-- he wouldn't do that to my mom. 1077 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,250 - So you guys have sex. - Yes. 1078 00:56:42,334 --> 00:56:46,000 And what kind of sex? What is sex like to you? 1079 00:56:46,083 --> 00:56:50,292 Well, to me, the kind of sex that it was 1080 00:56:50,375 --> 00:56:54,334 was pretty much kind of con-- consensual? 1081 00:56:54,417 --> 00:56:56,584 Is that the word I'm looking for? 1082 00:56:56,667 --> 00:56:59,792 Officer: Like, are you biting her? Are you punching her? 1083 00:56:59,876 --> 00:57:02,584 Godejohn: No, no, I would never lay my hands on her. 1084 00:57:02,667 --> 00:57:05,000 I didn't even bite her at all, actually. 1085 00:57:05,083 --> 00:57:08,083 Not for a long time, that is. 1086 00:57:08,167 --> 00:57:10,959 The very first time, she whispered in my ear 1087 00:57:11,042 --> 00:57:13,459 that that was a turn-on of hers is biting. 1088 00:57:13,542 --> 00:57:14,709 - I bit her twice. - Okay. 1089 00:57:14,792 --> 00:57:16,334 The first time I can't remember. 1090 00:57:16,417 --> 00:57:19,626 The second time I remember, because I bit her a lot harder. 1091 00:57:19,709 --> 00:57:21,834 However, she seemed to still enjoy it 1092 00:57:21,918 --> 00:57:24,042 even though it was really hard. 1093 00:57:24,125 --> 00:57:27,584 Gypsy: Technically, once we got to that point, 1094 00:57:27,667 --> 00:57:30,709 I screamed for him to stop, and he didn't. 1095 00:57:30,792 --> 00:57:34,751 So I don't consider it to be consensual. 1096 00:57:39,292 --> 00:57:40,792 Okay, all right. 1097 00:57:40,876 --> 00:57:43,209 Is there a reason you didn't feel pleasure? 1098 00:57:43,292 --> 00:57:46,834 I don't know. It's really hard to say. 1099 00:57:46,918 --> 00:57:49,542 I did make her have an orgasm once. 1100 00:57:49,626 --> 00:57:54,000 - Okay. - And then after that, I-- she might've blew me a bit. 1101 00:57:54,083 --> 00:57:57,209 And then after that, I think we stopped because we realized 1102 00:57:57,292 --> 00:57:58,876 there was a lot of packing and stuff to do. 1103 00:57:58,959 --> 00:58:01,000 Okay, so you guys get everything packed. 1104 00:58:01,083 --> 00:58:02,709 She wipes down the fingerprints. 1105 00:58:02,792 --> 00:58:04,167 And then what do you guys do? 1106 00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:08,959 We get in a taxi and we get to the hotel. 1107 00:58:09,042 --> 00:58:11,083 - ( Gypsy giggling ) - ( Godejohn grunts ) 1108 00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:14,417 ( moans ) 1109 00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:15,834 Hi, honey. 1110 00:58:15,918 --> 00:58:18,834 ( both laugh ) 1111 00:58:18,918 --> 00:58:20,417 I'm filming. 1112 00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:22,584 ( laughing ) 1113 00:58:28,667 --> 00:58:30,709 ( vocalizing ) 1114 00:58:34,334 --> 00:58:36,584 He's eating a brownie! 1115 00:58:36,667 --> 00:58:38,542 ( muffled speaking ) 1116 00:58:38,626 --> 00:58:41,292 Gypsy: But later, he will be eating me! 1117 00:58:41,375 --> 00:58:44,375 ( laughs ) 1118 00:58:44,459 --> 00:58:47,250 I loved Nick very much at that time, 1119 00:58:47,334 --> 00:58:50,292 and being with him felt exciting 1120 00:58:50,375 --> 00:58:53,500 because I was with someone I loved 1121 00:58:53,584 --> 00:58:55,751 and someone I thought cared for me. 1122 00:59:00,292 --> 00:59:03,334 We took a Greyhound bus back to Wisconsin. 1123 00:59:06,334 --> 00:59:10,167 My mind wasn't thinking back to what was at my house. 1124 00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:12,417 I just kept thinking, "I'm free, I'm free," 1125 00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:16,334 and that excitement of being free and walking. 1126 00:59:17,876 --> 00:59:20,751 I always reference myself to this little bluebird 1127 00:59:20,834 --> 00:59:23,292 that was trapped in an invisible cage, 1128 00:59:23,375 --> 00:59:27,751 and I felt like this bluebird was set free. 1129 00:59:27,834 --> 00:59:29,459 Did you guys talk about your future? 1130 00:59:29,542 --> 00:59:31,542 What was your plans for your future? 1131 00:59:31,626 --> 00:59:35,417 We wanted to have a family together, 1132 00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:39,125 and we wanted to build a life together and stuff. 1133 00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:41,876 We thought we really had a chance to do it, 1134 00:59:41,959 --> 00:59:43,751 so we were happy about that. 1135 01:00:02,626 --> 01:00:05,542 Does your mom and stepdad know what you did? 1136 01:00:05,626 --> 01:00:07,125 No, they don't. 1137 01:00:07,209 --> 01:00:09,542 And this is the first time they ever met Gypsy? 1138 01:00:09,626 --> 01:00:10,959 Yeah. In person, yes. 1139 01:00:11,042 --> 01:00:13,876 Okay, and they agreed to let her live there? 1140 01:00:13,959 --> 01:00:15,292 - Yep. - Okay. 1141 01:00:17,709 --> 01:00:20,292 Officer: What did you do think about Gypsy? 1142 01:00:20,375 --> 01:00:24,834 You know, it was weird because when I picked them up 1143 01:00:24,918 --> 01:00:27,459 from the bus station, I even asked her, 1144 01:00:27,542 --> 01:00:29,167 "How's your mom doing? How is your..." 1145 01:00:29,250 --> 01:00:31,834 'Cause I was told she was in a homeless shelter. 1146 01:00:31,918 --> 01:00:33,000 Her mom kicked her out. 1147 01:00:33,083 --> 01:00:34,542 So I asked her how her mom was doing. 1148 01:00:34,626 --> 01:00:36,667 This might have been the first thing I asked her. 1149 01:00:36,751 --> 01:00:39,584 No big deal, They acted like nothing. 1150 01:00:39,667 --> 01:00:40,959 What was your impression? 1151 01:00:41,042 --> 01:00:43,125 Did you feel like there was anything wrong? 1152 01:00:43,209 --> 01:00:45,292 - Did you feel like everything was good? - Everything seemed normal. 1153 01:00:45,375 --> 01:00:47,751 The only thing that freaked me out is she was wearing a wig. 1154 01:00:47,834 --> 01:00:49,375 Okay. 1155 01:00:49,459 --> 01:00:51,500 Hancock: Did you remember getting in the mail 1156 01:00:51,584 --> 01:00:55,542 an envelope or anything addressed to Nick or Gypsy or anything like that? 1157 01:00:55,626 --> 01:01:01,417 There was one that just came in-- hmm-- Saturday? 1158 01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:03,792 I have no idea what was in it. 1159 01:01:03,876 --> 01:01:05,792 Hancock: That was my next question. 1160 01:01:05,876 --> 01:01:08,667 - Charles: I don't go through mail. - Okay. 1161 01:01:08,751 --> 01:01:11,834 Charles: Maybe I should have. 1162 01:01:11,918 --> 01:01:14,083 - That was the night that he had stabbed her to death. - What? 1163 01:01:14,167 --> 01:01:17,083 They mailed it from their house there to your house. 1164 01:01:17,167 --> 01:01:18,918 - Are you serious? - Yes, ma'am. 1165 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,125 - Oh, my God. - And that was located in your house. 1166 01:01:22,209 --> 01:01:24,083 Stephanie: My God. 1167 01:01:24,167 --> 01:01:26,417 Officer: I think there was a little-- 1168 01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:30,417 around $4,000-5,000 of cash 1169 01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:32,751 that they had stolen from her mom. 1170 01:01:32,834 --> 01:01:35,209 Stephanie: My God. 1171 01:01:35,292 --> 01:01:36,709 Did you see the Facebook post where it says-- 1172 01:01:36,792 --> 01:01:38,334 - No. - Okay, that's right. 1173 01:01:38,417 --> 01:01:41,709 On Dee and Gypsy's Facebook post that they share, 1174 01:01:41,792 --> 01:01:43,751 there are some horrible messages 1175 01:01:43,834 --> 01:01:45,792 that were posted on there that said, like-- 1176 01:01:45,876 --> 01:01:47,876 I believe, like, they slashed her-- 1177 01:01:47,959 --> 01:01:49,542 like, "I slashed her. I killed her. 1178 01:01:49,626 --> 01:01:51,709 And then I raped the girl, and the girl's dead, too." 1179 01:01:51,792 --> 01:01:55,334 Well, those all were actually posted by Gypsy. 1180 01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:00,167 Dr. Feldman: Startlingly with Gypsy, 1181 01:02:00,250 --> 01:02:03,584 who went online to announce, you know, 1182 01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:07,959 "That bitch is dead," and to go even further 1183 01:02:08,042 --> 01:02:12,500 and describe a scenario where she was raped 1184 01:02:12,584 --> 01:02:14,459 is just perverse. 1185 01:02:14,542 --> 01:02:17,459 It implies a fair degree of sociopathy. 1186 01:02:17,542 --> 01:02:20,918 Just the way the girl acted-- 1187 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,792 I mean, how can you do something to your mother 1188 01:02:23,876 --> 01:02:26,042 and lose your mother, and just act like that? 1189 01:02:26,125 --> 01:02:30,417 I was like-- I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. 1190 01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:32,417 I mean, they acted like two normal people. 1191 01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:35,417 - Yeah. - That's what's really freaky. 1192 01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:38,000 Yeah. 1193 01:02:38,083 --> 01:02:39,751 How can you do that? 1194 01:02:41,584 --> 01:02:43,834 Bobby: Gypsy might have been the mastermind herself. 1195 01:02:43,918 --> 01:02:45,709 I think it's most anybody's instinct to, 1196 01:02:45,792 --> 01:02:48,709 "Oh, shit, you murdered your mother," you know? 1197 01:02:48,792 --> 01:02:51,751 Watch that girl. ( laughs ) 1198 01:02:51,834 --> 01:02:54,375 Don't turn your back. You she might stab you. 1199 01:02:57,584 --> 01:03:01,083 Dean: I do think Gypsy is potentially dangerous. 1200 01:03:02,375 --> 01:03:04,584 Dee Dee was a master manipulator, 1201 01:03:04,667 --> 01:03:07,042 and it's impossible that Gypsy would not 1202 01:03:07,125 --> 01:03:09,292 have picked this up and used it. 1203 01:03:13,709 --> 01:03:15,292 - Yeah. - You know? 1204 01:03:16,918 --> 01:03:19,459 I know. I mean, that's the way it works, though, 1205 01:03:19,542 --> 01:03:20,918 when you have what he has. 1206 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,542 Your mind focuses on one thing. Do you know what I mean? 1207 01:03:23,626 --> 01:03:25,083 Yes, ma'am. 1208 01:03:25,167 --> 01:03:28,000 Do you think that if Gypsy hadn't asked you to kill her mom, 1209 01:03:28,083 --> 01:03:29,375 you'd have ever killed her mom? 1210 01:03:29,459 --> 01:03:30,709 I know I wouldn't have done it. 1211 01:03:30,792 --> 01:03:32,709 Okay. You just did it because you loved Gypsy 1212 01:03:32,792 --> 01:03:34,083 and Gypsy asked you to do it. 1213 01:03:34,167 --> 01:03:35,375 Is that what I'm thinking? 1214 01:03:35,459 --> 01:03:36,709 - Yes. - Okay. 1215 01:03:36,792 --> 01:03:40,584 For him to ruin his life over that, 1216 01:03:40,667 --> 01:03:43,751 I'm sorry, but she's a beast. 1217 01:03:43,834 --> 01:03:45,667 Yeah. 1218 01:03:45,751 --> 01:03:49,125 She now doesn't have a language 1219 01:03:49,209 --> 01:03:52,584 beyond manipulation and retaliation. 1220 01:03:52,667 --> 01:03:55,709 I mean, is she taking any sort of-- 1221 01:03:55,792 --> 01:03:59,083 you know, is she like, "Well, okay, it was me, too," 1222 01:03:59,167 --> 01:04:00,751 or is she to trying to put it all on Nick? 1223 01:04:00,834 --> 01:04:02,167 She... 1224 01:04:03,792 --> 01:04:06,125 takes some responsibility, 1225 01:04:06,209 --> 01:04:09,459 but not much. 1226 01:04:09,542 --> 01:04:11,125 Not much at all. 1227 01:04:11,209 --> 01:04:13,667 - Did you kill your mom? - No. No, sir. 1228 01:04:13,751 --> 01:04:15,334 - Did you help? - No, sir. 1229 01:04:15,417 --> 01:04:18,709 - No one else killed your mom? - No, sir. 1230 01:04:18,792 --> 01:04:20,709 ( softly ) No, sir. 1231 01:04:20,792 --> 01:04:22,500 Did you have knowledge that Nicholas 1232 01:04:22,584 --> 01:04:25,083 was going to kill your mom before he did it? 1233 01:04:25,167 --> 01:04:26,209 No, sir. 1234 01:04:29,292 --> 01:04:30,876 Okay. Sit tight for me, okay? 1235 01:04:30,959 --> 01:04:32,417 - It's okay. - ( sniffles ) 1236 01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:37,167 ( crying ) 1237 01:04:42,417 --> 01:04:44,000 ( sniffles ) 1238 01:04:47,542 --> 01:04:49,834 I wonder if people feel that Gypsy 1239 01:04:49,918 --> 01:04:52,000 is telling them the truth now. 1240 01:04:55,209 --> 01:04:57,709 Female voice: Hello, you have a call from... 1241 01:04:57,792 --> 01:05:00,417 Gypsy: Gypsy Rose. 1242 01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:04,959 She was still in Wisconsin when she called me. 1243 01:05:05,042 --> 01:05:07,083 Kristy on phone: Hey, my sweetie. 1244 01:05:07,167 --> 01:05:10,083 Gypsy: Hi! Is this Kristy? 1245 01:05:10,167 --> 01:05:11,709 Kristy: Yes, baby. 1246 01:05:11,792 --> 01:05:13,375 Gypsy: Hi! Oh, my God. 1247 01:05:13,459 --> 01:05:15,751 It's so good to hear your voice. 1248 01:05:15,834 --> 01:05:21,125 At that time, she still wasn't trusting, really, anyone. 1249 01:05:21,209 --> 01:05:27,000 She was still not telling Mike everything. 1250 01:05:27,083 --> 01:05:28,751 Gypsy: I'm innocent. 1251 01:05:28,834 --> 01:05:31,667 It's a complicated situation, 1252 01:05:31,751 --> 01:05:36,167 but what they say on the news is not true. 1253 01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:38,792 Then we went in the courtroom, 1254 01:05:38,876 --> 01:05:42,876 and that's when they showed all the text messaging. 1255 01:05:42,959 --> 01:05:45,626 And when they said they were presenting that, 1256 01:05:45,709 --> 01:05:48,584 she turned around and looked at us 1257 01:05:48,667 --> 01:05:51,375 with fear in her eyes. 1258 01:05:51,459 --> 01:05:54,626 I guess she didn't think that they were going to pull 1259 01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:56,709 all of those messages up. 1260 01:05:57,918 --> 01:06:00,000 Carr: 1261 01:06:00,083 --> 01:06:02,167 Yeah, I did. 1262 01:06:13,876 --> 01:06:15,209 They didn't get caught red-handed, 1263 01:06:15,292 --> 01:06:17,042 but they got caught red-handed. 1264 01:06:17,125 --> 01:06:18,626 You know, they have a lot of evidence. 1265 01:06:18,709 --> 01:06:23,000 They have the murder weapon, texts, videos. 1266 01:06:23,083 --> 01:06:27,125 I mean, no doubt they did it or planned it and everything, 1267 01:06:27,209 --> 01:06:31,167 so it was just a matter of why they did it, 1268 01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:33,626 you know, and is that reasonable? 1269 01:06:35,083 --> 01:06:36,834 Carr: Are you happy that your mom 1270 01:06:36,918 --> 01:06:39,167 is not here to abuse you anymore? 1271 01:06:40,918 --> 01:06:42,542 Yeah. ( sniffles ) 1272 01:06:42,626 --> 01:06:46,626 But at the same time, I'm not happy that she's dead. 1273 01:06:46,709 --> 01:06:48,292 You know, I didn't want that. 1274 01:06:48,375 --> 01:06:52,083 I know it sounds strange to plan something 1275 01:06:52,167 --> 01:06:54,584 and go through the steps to make it happen, 1276 01:06:54,667 --> 01:06:58,375 and then-- but at the same time not want it to happen. 1277 01:07:00,334 --> 01:07:02,667 One of the problems with the legal system 1278 01:07:02,751 --> 01:07:04,918 is that it demands that people have this one intention 1279 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,042 and this one moment in time and be certain about it, 1280 01:07:08,125 --> 01:07:10,000 and I'm not sure that that really happens. 1281 01:07:10,083 --> 01:07:13,417 And especially in this case, I'm not sure that it happens. 1282 01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:16,709 It's possible that Gypsy had ultimately ambivalent feelings 1283 01:07:16,792 --> 01:07:19,250 about killing her mother. 1284 01:07:19,334 --> 01:07:21,000 I wonder what she was thinking in the other room 1285 01:07:21,083 --> 01:07:23,292 listening to her mother screaming sometimes. 1286 01:07:23,375 --> 01:07:26,083 I didn't think anything. 1287 01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:28,209 ( sniffles ) I was scared. 1288 01:07:28,292 --> 01:07:31,083 I was shaking. 1289 01:07:31,167 --> 01:07:34,000 I just-- I didn't have a thought in my brain. 1290 01:07:36,959 --> 01:07:39,209 It was like it was all not real. 1291 01:07:41,709 --> 01:07:45,125 I was on a bunch of medications, and I know that's no excuse, 1292 01:07:45,209 --> 01:07:49,083 but on Xanax, I felt like I had no emotion 1293 01:07:49,167 --> 01:07:51,125 and I wasn't thinking right. 1294 01:07:53,459 --> 01:07:57,250 Munchausen by proxy victims can lose contact 1295 01:07:57,334 --> 01:07:59,000 with reality at times, 1296 01:07:59,083 --> 01:08:01,792 and that may be part of the defense 1297 01:08:01,876 --> 01:08:04,167 in Gypsy's case. 1298 01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:06,751 She may have trouble distinguishing 1299 01:08:06,834 --> 01:08:08,417 what's real and what isn't. 1300 01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:11,000 Is sickness real or is it fake? 1301 01:08:11,083 --> 01:08:15,500 Is death real, or is it exaggerated or fake? 1302 01:08:15,584 --> 01:08:19,459 So, I think she had limited capacity for reality testing, 1303 01:08:19,542 --> 01:08:21,834 which just means seeing what's normal behavior 1304 01:08:21,918 --> 01:08:24,250 and what's really strange behavior. 1305 01:08:26,876 --> 01:08:31,792 Stanfield: Gypsy grew up in essentially an alternate reality 1306 01:08:31,876 --> 01:08:34,667 to what the rest of us live. 1307 01:08:34,751 --> 01:08:38,667 By her mother isolating her from the outside world, 1308 01:08:38,751 --> 01:08:43,125 she doesn't know or understand what normal really is. 1309 01:08:43,209 --> 01:08:44,792 Hi. 1310 01:08:44,876 --> 01:08:46,250 Gypsy: In so many ways, 1311 01:08:46,334 --> 01:08:50,334 I don't know what's right, what's wrong, 1312 01:08:50,417 --> 01:08:55,083 but to say that, yes, I did this. 1313 01:08:55,167 --> 01:08:56,792 I'm sorry for it. 1314 01:08:56,876 --> 01:08:58,918 I feel bad for it. 1315 01:09:00,751 --> 01:09:02,751 It just feels good to be honest. 1316 01:09:17,542 --> 01:09:19,626 Gypsy: The only thing that I could've done differently 1317 01:09:19,709 --> 01:09:22,542 that I know better now is reach out to my dad, 1318 01:09:22,626 --> 01:09:24,375 told my dad. 1319 01:09:24,459 --> 01:09:26,834 And he could have came and got me, 1320 01:09:26,918 --> 01:09:28,459 and I would've went and lived with him. 1321 01:09:35,542 --> 01:09:36,834 Rod: There's a McDonald's right here 1322 01:09:36,918 --> 01:09:38,667 where I'd visit with Gypsy. 1323 01:09:40,042 --> 01:09:43,125 At that time, she was real young. 1324 01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:44,667 I remember one visit... 1325 01:09:46,083 --> 01:09:47,500 she was so scared of me, man. 1326 01:09:47,584 --> 01:09:48,876 She was shaking. 1327 01:09:48,959 --> 01:09:52,125 I don't know what Dee Dee told her about me, 1328 01:09:52,209 --> 01:09:55,626 but I probably was the big bad wolf or something, you know? 1329 01:09:55,709 --> 01:10:00,500 Gypsy must have been so confused, you know? 1330 01:10:00,584 --> 01:10:02,083 She was probably telling her the day before 1331 01:10:02,167 --> 01:10:05,042 that, you know, I don't love her and all this stuff, 1332 01:10:05,125 --> 01:10:09,709 and then here she is visiting with me and telling her, 1333 01:10:09,792 --> 01:10:12,834 "Look, that's your daddy. Give him a hug," you know? 1334 01:10:15,042 --> 01:10:18,167 That's old history now, so we're just going to try to build 1335 01:10:18,250 --> 01:10:21,334 a real father-daughter intimate relationship, 1336 01:10:21,417 --> 01:10:23,209 you know, like we should have. 1337 01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:26,083 ( dogs barking ) 1338 01:10:27,334 --> 01:10:29,792 It's hard. 1339 01:10:29,876 --> 01:10:32,500 Thinking what she had to go through 1340 01:10:32,584 --> 01:10:34,792 and that she didn't have to go through all that. 1341 01:10:34,876 --> 01:10:38,459 - Woman: See this? - Look at that. ( laughs ) 1342 01:10:38,542 --> 01:10:41,626 She would probably have been a perfectly fine kid 1343 01:10:41,709 --> 01:10:44,542 had it not been her mom was Dee Dee. 1344 01:10:45,918 --> 01:10:47,751 Okay, y'all want to get the table ready or what? 1345 01:10:47,834 --> 01:10:49,709 - Women: Yes. - We're going to eat off the trays? 1346 01:10:49,792 --> 01:10:51,417 Claude: She could've had a normal life. 1347 01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:56,209 I hope she gets out, and I don't know what-- 1348 01:10:56,292 --> 01:10:59,000 what she's going to do when she gets out. 1349 01:10:59,083 --> 01:11:01,083 She was punished enough 1350 01:11:01,167 --> 01:11:04,083 to where they should let her go free. 1351 01:11:04,167 --> 01:11:05,542 That's the way I feel. 1352 01:11:05,626 --> 01:11:08,417 'Cause that child's-- she's been through a lot. 1353 01:11:09,667 --> 01:11:11,292 Kristy: Look at her. 1354 01:11:11,375 --> 01:11:14,667 - Woman: Is that Gypsy? - Yeah, when she was normal. 1355 01:11:19,876 --> 01:11:24,250 I blame myself now for not doing more. 1356 01:11:24,334 --> 01:11:26,042 I mean, it is what it is. 1357 01:11:26,125 --> 01:11:29,083 I'm not a "blame yourself" type of guy, 1358 01:11:29,167 --> 01:11:32,083 but who else is there to look at, you know? 1359 01:12:09,167 --> 01:12:10,751 Okay. 1360 01:12:10,834 --> 01:12:13,000 This is-- sorry. 1361 01:12:13,083 --> 01:12:16,667 I didn't realize they were going to bring you out immediately. 1362 01:12:16,751 --> 01:12:19,542 This is the new charge-- class-A felony 1363 01:12:19,626 --> 01:12:21,292 of murder in the second degree, 1364 01:12:21,375 --> 01:12:23,000 and then acting in concert with another 1365 01:12:23,083 --> 01:12:25,542 who knowingly caused the death of your mother 1366 01:12:25,626 --> 01:12:28,459 by stabbing her, okay? 1367 01:12:28,542 --> 01:12:30,375 ( pen scribbling ) 1368 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,584 This is in the case of State of Missouri 1369 01:12:39,667 --> 01:12:41,792 v. Gypsy Rose Blanchard. 1370 01:12:41,876 --> 01:12:43,250 Please raise your right hand. 1371 01:12:43,334 --> 01:12:45,000 Do you swear and affirm that the testimony 1372 01:12:45,083 --> 01:12:46,626 you're about to give will be the truth, 1373 01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:48,626 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 1374 01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:50,209 Yes, sir. 1375 01:12:50,292 --> 01:12:52,042 Would you state your name for the record, please? 1376 01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:54,584 - Gypsy Blanchard. - And how old are you? 1377 01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:57,709 I'm going to be 25 years old, but 24. 1378 01:12:57,792 --> 01:13:00,792 Okay. And how far did you go in school? 1379 01:13:00,876 --> 01:13:03,667 About the second grade. 1380 01:13:03,751 --> 01:13:05,792 How do you plead to the class-A felony 1381 01:13:05,876 --> 01:13:07,500 of murder in the second degree? 1382 01:13:07,584 --> 01:13:10,083 - Guilty. - The court finds that there is 1383 01:13:10,167 --> 01:13:12,500 a factual basis for a plea of guilty. 1384 01:13:12,584 --> 01:13:14,792 The court accepts defendant's plea of guilty 1385 01:13:14,876 --> 01:13:17,918 and finds the defendant guilty thereof beyond a reasonable doubt. 1386 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,959 She's to be sentenced to 10 years 1387 01:13:20,042 --> 01:13:22,250 in the Missouri Department of Corrections. 1388 01:13:22,334 --> 01:13:24,751 She'll have to do 85% of her sentence 1389 01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:29,083 before she's eligible for parole. 1390 01:13:29,167 --> 01:13:30,459 Let's go off the record. 1391 01:13:39,042 --> 01:13:41,500 There you are. 1392 01:13:41,584 --> 01:13:47,042 Patterson: This case is unusual and extraordinary. 1393 01:13:47,125 --> 01:13:50,167 Gypsy Blanchard endured nearly two decades 1394 01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:54,375 of systematic, purposeful abuse 1395 01:13:54,459 --> 01:13:57,918 at the hands of her mother for the purpose of fraud. 1396 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,459 And so, by amending to murder in the second degree, 1397 01:14:00,542 --> 01:14:04,542 we were able to both hold Gypsy Blanchard accountable for the murder, 1398 01:14:04,626 --> 01:14:07,626 which was not justified nor excusable, 1399 01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:11,584 but yet account for those mitigating circumstances. 1400 01:14:11,667 --> 01:14:15,125 All of us involved are-- it's a relief. 1401 01:14:15,209 --> 01:14:17,000 You know, at the very beginning of this, 1402 01:14:17,083 --> 01:14:20,709 there was the question of the death penalty on the table. 1403 01:14:20,792 --> 01:14:24,000 Ultimately, it's the best outcome for her. 1404 01:14:24,083 --> 01:14:26,083 It's the best outcome for the State of Missouri 1405 01:14:26,167 --> 01:14:30,417 and ultimately the right thing to do for everybody. 1406 01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:32,125 That one's in this pocket. 1407 01:14:32,209 --> 01:14:34,167 Ooh. 1408 01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:36,083 I mean, it's a murder. 1409 01:14:36,167 --> 01:14:37,542 There's nothing we can do about that, 1410 01:14:37,626 --> 01:14:40,751 so, you know, that has to be dealt with. 1411 01:14:40,834 --> 01:14:45,334 But ultimately, when you look at the fact 1412 01:14:45,417 --> 01:14:47,667 that at the end of that 8 1/2 years, 1413 01:14:47,751 --> 01:14:50,626 when she's already done a year of that, 1414 01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:52,334 she'll be 32 years old. 1415 01:14:52,417 --> 01:14:54,542 She'll be three years younger than I am right now. 1416 01:14:54,626 --> 01:14:57,334 So, I mean, she will actually be able 1417 01:14:57,417 --> 01:15:01,292 to enjoy just the world. 1418 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,500 Carr: Do you think 10 years in jail is better 1419 01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:08,709 than 10 years of living the way that you had to live? 1420 01:15:08,792 --> 01:15:11,918 Yes, it is. 1421 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,918 I need to start over like I'm newly born. 1422 01:15:34,459 --> 01:15:35,918 - Honey? - Yeah. 1423 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,167 - Green? - Yeah. 1424 01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:39,417 White or green? 1425 01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,209 No, no, no, no, no. 1426 01:15:41,292 --> 01:15:42,542 It's my favorite hat. 1427 01:15:42,626 --> 01:15:44,042 No, other hat. 1428 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,083 Kristy: I'm holding on to that girl. 1429 01:15:51,167 --> 01:15:53,375 You know, it's going to be very emotional. 1430 01:15:53,459 --> 01:15:55,292 Yeah, you're a big crybaby. 1431 01:15:55,375 --> 01:15:56,459 You're probably gonna cry, too. 1432 01:15:56,542 --> 01:15:57,876 And then when you're gonna cry, 1433 01:15:57,959 --> 01:15:59,751 I'm going to cry 1434 01:15:59,834 --> 01:16:01,334 because you're crying, 1435 01:16:01,417 --> 01:16:03,709 because it's hard to see grown men cry. 1436 01:16:06,876 --> 01:16:08,292 I don't cry. 1437 01:16:08,375 --> 01:16:09,417 Bullshit. 1438 01:16:11,834 --> 01:16:13,250 You cry. 1439 01:16:26,584 --> 01:16:29,042 - Hello. - Daddy. 1440 01:16:29,125 --> 01:16:31,500 - Oh... - ( crying ) 1441 01:16:35,042 --> 01:16:36,584 I've missed you. 1442 01:16:42,626 --> 01:16:44,667 - You're so big. - I know! 1443 01:16:44,751 --> 01:16:46,709 I'm almost as tall as you. 1444 01:16:52,334 --> 01:16:54,334 So how's everything going with you health-wise? 1445 01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:56,167 - You good? You feel good? - It's going good, yeah. 1446 01:16:56,250 --> 01:16:57,626 You've been exercising and everything? 1447 01:16:57,709 --> 01:17:00,375 I've been going to the rec yard, been exercising. 1448 01:17:00,459 --> 01:17:02,334 That's good. 1449 01:17:02,417 --> 01:17:04,334 My tube site is finally all healed. 1450 01:17:04,417 --> 01:17:05,709 It's gone? That's good. 1451 01:17:05,792 --> 01:17:07,667 Looks great. Looks good. 1452 01:17:07,751 --> 01:17:10,334 All healed up, so... 1453 01:17:10,417 --> 01:17:12,209 Every once in a while, I get a little pain, 1454 01:17:12,292 --> 01:17:14,834 but I think it's just phantom pain or something. 1455 01:17:14,918 --> 01:17:16,000 Yeah. 1456 01:17:17,125 --> 01:17:19,000 So, are you glad that it's-- 1457 01:17:19,083 --> 01:17:20,459 I'm happy that it's over. 1458 01:17:20,542 --> 01:17:25,375 Yeah. We was-- honestly, we was hoping for less. 1459 01:17:25,459 --> 01:17:28,918 I mean, I know it was your decision and everything. 1460 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,626 - That's a gamble you take. I mean-- - Yeah. 1461 01:17:31,709 --> 01:17:33,667 I look at it like you could've got 30 years. 1462 01:17:33,751 --> 01:17:38,042 I look at it that I could've got life in prison, you know? 1463 01:17:38,125 --> 01:17:41,959 I was hitting a really down point, 1464 01:17:42,042 --> 01:17:45,334 and it was before-- before the plea agreement, 1465 01:17:45,417 --> 01:17:48,834 before I knew anything about it. 1466 01:17:48,918 --> 01:17:52,834 I was thinking if I get life in prison 1467 01:17:52,918 --> 01:17:55,834 and that is what I get, 1468 01:17:55,918 --> 01:17:58,709 I'm committing suicide right now, you know? 1469 01:17:58,792 --> 01:18:01,083 I was seriously considering it. 1470 01:18:01,167 --> 01:18:03,375 - Well, baby-- - 'Cause I'm like, it could just be over. 1471 01:18:04,584 --> 01:18:07,000 I just want to make sure you know that 1472 01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:09,584 if I had done anything wrong, I'm sorry, baby. 1473 01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,417 No, I don't think you did anything wrong. 1474 01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:15,209 I think it's just Mom was very good at what she was doing, 1475 01:18:15,292 --> 01:18:18,667 and I think you just was completely in the dark. 1476 01:18:18,751 --> 01:18:20,375 And I don't-- I want you to know 1477 01:18:20,459 --> 01:18:25,083 I don't blame you for any of it, either of you. 1478 01:18:25,167 --> 01:18:27,709 - Thank you. - I take blame on myself. 1479 01:18:27,792 --> 01:18:31,542 And I blame other people, but I never once blamed y'all. 1480 01:18:31,626 --> 01:18:34,584 Don't blame yourself, sweetie. 1481 01:18:34,667 --> 01:18:38,626 We blame-- I hold enough for myself, you know? 1482 01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:40,459 Accountability, it's-- 1483 01:18:40,542 --> 01:18:42,626 but, I mean, we're not gonna dwell on that. 1484 01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:44,083 - No. - No. 1485 01:18:44,167 --> 01:18:46,125 We're gonna go forward, and when you get out.. 1486 01:18:46,209 --> 01:18:48,459 - We'll heal together. - ...you're still gonna young. 1487 01:18:48,542 --> 01:18:52,209 We can have a great relationship. 1488 01:18:52,292 --> 01:18:55,209 Look, God pulled you through it. 1489 01:18:55,292 --> 01:18:58,125 - Rod: Yeah. - You know? 1490 01:18:58,209 --> 01:19:01,417 The devil don't got you, baby. God got you. 1491 01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:04,000 - Gypsy: Yeah. - And we got you. 1492 01:19:08,667 --> 01:19:09,834 Give me a hug. 1493 01:19:13,125 --> 01:19:14,375 Hang in there, baby. 1494 01:19:15,876 --> 01:19:17,792 You need anything, call any time, okay? 1495 01:19:17,876 --> 01:19:19,375 - ( Gypsy grunts ) - Oh, she knows. 1496 01:19:19,459 --> 01:19:22,834 We'll come see you again over there, wherever. 1497 01:19:22,918 --> 01:19:24,959 Just hang tight. Stay strong. 1498 01:19:25,042 --> 01:19:27,584 - We love you. - ( softly) I love you, too. 1499 01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:32,667 ( crying ) I don't want to go. 1500 01:19:40,167 --> 01:19:42,918 I don't want to go. I don't want to go. 1501 01:19:49,375 --> 01:19:53,083 It's okay, baby. You can do it, okay? 1502 01:19:53,167 --> 01:19:55,792 Just stay strong. 1503 01:19:55,876 --> 01:19:58,709 You got this far, okay? 1504 01:19:58,792 --> 01:20:00,167 The rest is gonna be easier. 1505 01:20:00,250 --> 01:20:02,375 - Okay. Okay. - Okay? 1506 01:20:05,209 --> 01:20:06,792 You guys have a safe trip back. 1507 01:20:06,876 --> 01:20:08,542 - Don't get in no trouble. - I won't. 1508 01:20:08,626 --> 01:20:09,918 - Be good. - I'll be a good girl. 1509 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,417 - Follow the rules. - I will. 1510 01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:13,542 Bye. 1511 01:20:13,626 --> 01:20:16,125 - Set a good example. - I will. 1512 01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:30,751 ( music playing ) 1513 01:20:30,834 --> 01:20:33,542 ♪ We were very happy ♪ 1514 01:20:33,626 --> 01:20:38,292 ♪ Well, at least I thought we were ♪ 1515 01:20:38,375 --> 01:20:43,375 ♪ Can't somebody tell me what's got into her? ♪ 1516 01:20:43,459 --> 01:20:47,375 ♪ A house, a home, a family ♪ 1517 01:20:47,459 --> 01:20:51,709 ♪ And a man that loves her so ♪ 1518 01:20:51,792 --> 01:20:54,876 ♪ Oh, say, has anybody seen ♪ 1519 01:20:54,959 --> 01:20:58,083 ♪ My sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪ 1520 01:20:58,167 --> 01:21:02,667 ♪ Here's her picture when she was my sweet Mary Jo ♪ 1521 01:21:02,751 --> 01:21:06,167 ♪ Now she's got rings on her fingers ♪ 1522 01:21:06,250 --> 01:21:09,209 ♪ And bells on her toes ♪ 1523 01:21:09,292 --> 01:21:14,751 ♪ Say, has anybody seen my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪ 1524 01:21:14,834 --> 01:21:18,292 ♪ Oh, I got wind my Jo's been dancin' ♪ 1525 01:21:18,375 --> 01:21:20,751 ♪ Here in New Orleans ♪ 1526 01:21:20,834 --> 01:21:23,334 ♪ In this smoke-filled honky-tonk ♪ 1527 01:21:23,417 --> 01:21:25,959 ♪ They call the Land of Dreams ♪ 1528 01:21:26,042 --> 01:21:28,792 ♪ Whoa, here she comes a-struttin' ♪ 1529 01:21:28,876 --> 01:21:31,834 ♪ In her birthday clothes ♪ 1530 01:21:31,918 --> 01:21:37,626 ♪ Say, has anybody seen my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪ 1531 01:21:40,876 --> 01:21:43,375 ♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪ 1532 01:21:46,167 --> 01:21:47,667 ♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪ 1533 01:21:47,751 --> 01:21:51,125 ♪ So take those rings off your fingers ♪ 1534 01:21:51,209 --> 01:21:54,250 ♪ And bells off your toes ♪ 1535 01:21:54,334 --> 01:21:57,417 ♪ Say, has anybody seen my ♪ 1536 01:21:57,500 --> 01:22:00,125 ♪ Now you know just what I mean by ♪ 1537 01:22:00,209 --> 01:22:04,751 ♪ Has anybody seen my Gypsy Rose? ♪ 116731

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