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[Sibella] Historic houses across Australia
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are at risk of being lost forever.
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They're links to our past,
and should be saved.
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In this series, you'll meet families
facing the challenge of a lifetime.
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[man grunts]
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Here we are, dumb and dumber.
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Half a million dollars on this?
Are we mad ?
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They'll quickly realize
the sheer scale of the projects...
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[man] Not quite what I meant.
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..as they restore these ruins
to family homes.
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I'm Sibella Court.
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I'm a designer, author,
lover of old houses and restoration.
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I'm passionate about old buildings
and the need to save our history.
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[Sibella]
To succeed, our families must learn
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dying heritage skills and stick to budget.
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He just likes to spend the money.
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Bastards. Bastards. Bastards.
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Oh, Jo! No, don't!
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It's a slow train wreck.
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[Sibella] Can they rescue their slice
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of Australia's history
before it's too late?
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This is Restoration Australia.
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There's movement
in the town of Orange.
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The word has passed around
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that there's an intriguing house
that needs saving.
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It's under serious threat,
suburbia is encroaching,
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and some of the townspeople think
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it needs to be bulldozed -
it's an eyesore.
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[Sibella] But the construction
of this house is unique.
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It's a kit home,
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and some believe it's one
of the earliest houses in the colony.
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What's more, the house,
now known as Emmaville,
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may be harboring an incredible secret.
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[man] Andrew Barton Paterson
was born at Narrambla Station
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near Orange in New South Wales
on 17 February, 1864.
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More than likely, Andrew Barton
Paterson, Banjo, was born here.
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That's the significance.
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Our most iconic poet,
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best known
for The Man From Snowy River,
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Waltzing Matilda, he was born here.
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[Sibella] Not everyone's convinced
this is Banjo's birthplace,
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and the debate is dividing the town.
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One believer is former mayor, Reg Kidd.
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-Hello, Reg.
-Oh, hi, Sibella.
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-Welcome to Orange...
-Thank you.
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...and the birthplace
of Andrew Barton Paterson.
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Nice to finally meet you. It looks
like it's at an exciting point.
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Oh, it's a very tender point we're
at now. This is like giving birth.
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[Sibella]
The City of Orange is growing rapidly,
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and this block is the next in line
for development.
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To save the house, it needs to be
lifted and moved 1 km down the road
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to safe council land.
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[Reg] You've got these removalists here
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who are from Orange.
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They're sort of working now,
jacking it up, making it balance.
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We have done one or two old places
like this before,
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but this one may be the oldest
we've ever done.
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This building came out
from California as a modular home
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probably 160 or more years ago.
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[Sibella] Like so many of the locals
involved in this project,
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house-movers Lindsay and Dale
are volunteering their time.
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[Lindsay]
This goes back to Banjo Paterson,
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and ultimately I feel
it's a very worthwhile project.
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[Sibella] So, Reg, is the whole town
behind the project?
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[Reg] You always get your sceptics
in anything you do, I can tell you.
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Being a councilor for a long time,
I can guarantee you that.
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But, look, by the time that house
has moved from here over there,
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everyone will think, "This is fantastic,"
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and everyone will be an expert.
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[Sibella] The real expert on this house
is Margaret Love.
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She began researching it
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because it was her childhood home
in the 1930s.
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[Margaret Love]
I would have been ten days old
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when I was taken home to Emmaville.
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It was a happy home, a very happy home.
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My family had lived on Emmaville
from 1906.
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The family, by that time,
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were all living
in the one and only homestead,
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which was the original homestead
of a very large property.
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[Reg] Watch your step there.
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-Here we go.
-Okay.
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I'll show you into our little house.
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[Sibella chuckles]
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-It's a bit of a tricky entrance.
-There we go.
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You can see the ceiling's
weren't all that high then,
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they were quite low.
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It is bigger than you think
from the outside.
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It is.
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And this is where you start
running into this amazing
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tongue-and-groove wood.
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-Yep.
-This light sort of wood.
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Yeah, known as 'V-joint' as well.
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V-joint. Okay, well,
I've learned something.
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But the rooms are quite large,
aren't they?
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-Then you move into this one.
-Spacious.
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-Spacious.
-And they're very pastel.
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Very, very pastel,
I suppose over the years.
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And it's lovely to see the old lino.
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That'll be the first time
lino was ever about.
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[Sibella] It's got the Hessian backing.
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So, this is such a great example
of an early cottage,
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but even more exciting
is that Banjo Paterson
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could have actually been born
in one of these rooms.
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-So, which room was Banjo born in?
-I'm gonna go for this room.
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-Okay, the peach room.
-The peach room, yeah.
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[Sibella] This house has really captured
the imagination
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of the Orange locals,
and so many of them are pitching in.
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Most of the hard work is being done
by the Orange Rotary Club.
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People like David Williams.
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I'll let you into a little secret.
It had the best security system.
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There was a huge swarm - not one,
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but many swarms of bees living in it.
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-Wow.
-So nobody got near it.
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Once we lowered the numbers
of bees in the colony,
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then we started
to have problems with vandals.
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[Sibella] Only in the last month,
kids have ripped out one of the doors
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for a tree house and smashed out
all the original glass.
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Such a shame.
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Lift back down and push it in.
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[Sibella] Lifting this rickety structure
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from its foundations
requires modern hydraulics
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and some serious reinforcing.
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It's the culmination
of a year-and-a-half's planning
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by Reg, David
and Rotary Club president, Mick Doyle.
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One false move
could spell the end of their dream.
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[creaking]
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As you can hear,
this house is really creaky.
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It is 150 years old, so who knows
if it's actually gonna hold together.
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[creaking]
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[Lindsay]
We are concerned at how it will pick up.
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It was put together in sections,
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so we have to make sure, as we pick it up,
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that it all comes together,
it doesn't separate.
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[Dale] This one's a little bit different
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to normal, being older,
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a little bit fragile.
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Oh, my gosh.
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[Dale] Nice and slowly,
and everything should hold together.
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Well done, Linds. Whoo-hoo!
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[David] To think that it's lived
150 years-plus in one spot,
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and all of a sudden
it's lifted as a whole .
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[Sibella]
The lift has gone remarkably well,
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but it's time for the next tricky step...
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...getting the house ready
for tomorrow's big move.
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By today's standards,
this place looks really humble,
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almost like a shack or a hut.
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You can see why so many of the locals
thought it should be knocked down.
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So, maybe it needs another pole out.
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[Sibella]
However, local historian Heather Nicholls
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has done a lot of research
into this property.
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She reminds us that in 1850,
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it would have been something pretty grand.
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To date, we haven't been
able to find a similar cottage
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anywhere across the eastern States.
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We believe that this
is a very, very early kit home,
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around the 1850s, 1860s mark.
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The house is a bit like a Meccano set,
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particularly with the outside walls,
they all lock together.
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We suspect that it has come from America.
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Companies like Hudson Brothers were
importing kit homes from America.
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It has then come over the mountains
by bullock team.
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[Sibella] So, this is not even
the first time this house has been moved.
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In the middle of the 19th century,
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it was imported from America
and hauled over the Blue Mountains.
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So 150 years ago,
every last bit of material,
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including the glass windows,
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would have been
stacked up and over those mountains,
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through those creeks,
camped by the fire at night-time.
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You can imagine how difficult
it must have been.
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Today has been extremely exciting.
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We've not just seen the house
been hoisted up,
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but actually put on the truck,
which you can see behind me.
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But the best part of today
was how excited the community is,
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and it's totally contagious.
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Well done, Dale. That's it!
Come on, mate. I'll buy you a beer.
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Sounds good.
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That's the fastest you've moved all day.
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[Sibella] It's been a huge day,
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but the team can't celebrate
too much just yet.
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Down at the pub, they're doing
final prep for tomorrow's big move,
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and planning what happens next
if it does arrive in one piece.
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Once the cottage
is placed at the new site,
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it's still pretty exposed,
because the chimney's been removed
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and there's work to be done
in the shorter term.
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[Sibella] And the pressure's on.
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This project needs to be finished
by 17 February,
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Banjo Paterson's 150th birthday,
that's less than a year away.
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They also have to tackle
some tough questions
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about the history of the house.
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[Heather] Why was this cottage he re?
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It doesn't actually fit
with the layout of the town.
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It doesn't actually fit with
the history that I know of the town.
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So, why is this little cottage
sitting up here on a hill?
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Who put it here? Who lived in it?
What can it tell us?
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I'm absolutely positive
that that old house
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was the homestead
in which Banjo Paterson was born.
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[Sibella]
Margaret Love thinks her research
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can put an end
to the mystery of Emmaville.
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[Margaret] One of the first things
that we were told as children
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was that the old house
was the original homestead.
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My family talked about it so often,
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and they would never skite about anything.
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[Sibella]
Margaret's connection with the property
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goes all the way back
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to the time of Banjo's birth,
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when her great-uncle was working there.
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Keen to find out more,
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Margaret was in a great position
to do more research
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because she worked
at the Lands Titles Office.
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I haven't just read books,
I have gone to the official records.
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We've also got some old photographs,
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which I'm looking forward to getting.
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[Sibella] Unfortunately for the team,
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not everyone is convinced
by Margaret's theories,
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and debate about the house's history
rages in the local paper.
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But the thing that will
keep people awake tonight
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is a more immediate problem.
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Is it really possible to shift
a rickety 150-year-old house
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One kilometer down the road
on the back of a semi?
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So, it's the day of the big move.
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It's months and months in preparation.
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The house is on the back of the truck,
which is a miracle in itself,
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but we're gonna be heading down the road.
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The house isn't safe yet.
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[Sibella] In fact, far from it.
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Although the team have done
everything in their power
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to prepare for this day,
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they're entering dangerous,
unknown territory.
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And the early signs are not encouraging.
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People just don't move
houses of this vintage
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because they're too frail
and it's too risky.
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But these guys had no real choice,
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it was either the truck or a bulldozer.
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Pieces are starting to fall off,
but there can be no turning back.
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So, with some judicious strapping
from Dale, it's on the road again.
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[Sibella] Progress is painfully slow,
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but when you're moving a house
this old and this fragile,
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you don't want to rush it.
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One bump could spell disaster.
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A 150 years ago, another perilous
journey was being undertaken.
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Scotsman Andrew Paterson
and his young wife, Rose,
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were carving out a new life on
the frontier near present-day Yeoval
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and expecting their first child.
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[Heather] It would have been
a very isolated spot at the time.
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It may not even have been
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a particularly safe place
for a young family to be.
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[Sibella] So, with the birth approaching,
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they set off for a safer environment,
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Narrambla Estate, just outside Orange,
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the home of Rose's aunt, Rosamund Templer.
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These days, Narrambla
is known as a suburb of Orange,
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but in 1864 it was a huge estate
of almost 2,000 acres
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with its own village,
orchards and a flour mill.
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For the 19-year-old Rose,
heavily pregnant,
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that journey through rough frontier
country must have been daunting.
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The house is within sight
of its destination,
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but there's one final hurdle.
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Dale has to thread the eye of a needle
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by reversing the house up the hill
onto its new foundations.
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[David] There we are. Have a look at that.
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[Sibella]
Dale's pretty happy with himself, I think.
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[David] I think he should be too.
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I can't back a car
into a 45-degree car-parking space,
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and this young devil
just lines this truck up
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and just puts it back in one go,
up a hill!
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Incredible. Incredible.
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[Sibella]
The house's journey has ended well,
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and as it settles down into its new home,
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the team are thrilled that it's still
on part of the old Narrambla Estate.
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The young Paterson couple
arrived safely at Narrambla too,
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and on 17 February, 1864,
in her aunt's house,
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Rose gave birth to a healthy
baby boy, Andrew Barton Paterson,
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later in life to be known as Banjo.
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[Reg] We know about Ned Kelly
and where he was born.
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Captain Moonlight and Ben Hall.
And we want to be known as Orange,
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the birthplace of Andrew Barton Paterson,
our greatest-ever poet.
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[Sibella] So, this is a celebration
of both Orange's history
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as well as Banjo Paterson's.
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-And Narrambla.
-And Narrambla.
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[Sibella] The day that Rose Paterson
gave birth to Banjo on Narrambla,
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she also gave birth
to an enduring controversy,
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where exactly on the estate was he born?
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Back when they opened up
Banjo Paterson Park here,
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one of the local historians acknowledged
that Paterson had five birthplaces.
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[recorded male voice]
Banjo Paterson is the most born man
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that I've ever
heard of in Australian history.
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So, way back in the 1940s,
it was controversial
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as to where was he born?
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[Sibella] The team think they've finally
put this mystery to rest.
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Now they just need to convince
the rest of the town.
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♪ By a billabong ♪
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♪ Under the shade of a coolabah tree ♪
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♪ And he sang as he watched
and waited till his billy boiled ♪
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♪ You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me ♪
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♪ Waltzing... ♪
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It's been an incredible couple of days.
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We've seen this amazing
1850s fragile house
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being transported down the road.
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It's now gonna settle and we're gonna see
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the next part of the journey,
which is the restoration.
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We're not sure if Banjo
was born in this house,
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but I actually don't think it matters.
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It's bound together a community
and their ideas and their stories,
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and at the end of the day,
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I think preserving
a piece of Australian history
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and actually starting
a bit of a conversation
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is the most important thing.
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[Sibella] Winter's here,
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and with only nine months
till Banjo's birthday,
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the restoration work is kicking off.
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Well, here we go, Sibella,
this is the critical part now.
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Taken the roof off the old girl,
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and, God, we've got
a beautiful day for it, but by geez,
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if we get heavy winds here,
that whole roof could come off.
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It is predicted that the weather's
gonna turn on us.
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We've got Mount Canobolas behind us,
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and it is hilly tableland
sort of country...
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Does it just fly through here?
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It comes through.
Look, it'd blow a dog off a chain.
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[both laughing]
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So, we've still got all the strapping on.
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When that roof's off, it'll be very,
very structurally unsound,
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so absolutely critical stage
of the buildi ng.
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We've gotta get it off,
get it rolled and get it back on.
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It's nice to see so many people
working on it, everyone's geared up.
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I think the whole Rotary Club's
been involved this morning.
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Peter Kircher's here today.
He's the chap doing all the window work.
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He's arrived on his Harley Davidson,
and he's our expert on anything old.
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So, obviously he's found something.
What have we got, Pete?
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We've found evidence of a stencil
from the original manufacturer.
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It appears to be a fern frond
with some lettering down the bottom.
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It says, um, "Redfern."
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It does too. It's in pretty good
nick, Pete, 150-year-old, eh?
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-Why do you think that is?
-Because they made things correctly.
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[Sibella laughs]
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Time was cheap,
materials probably didn't cost much,
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plus we're not near coastal air.
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-So, the salt's not eroding it?
-Yeah, so there's no corrosion.
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[Reg] We've got John Spanger up there.
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Now, John's one of the volunteers
with Rotary,
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but he is a builder
and does a lot of restoration work.
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-How you going, John?
-Oh, good thanks, Reg. How are you?
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Hello, John.
What are you standing on in there?
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-I'm standing on the ceiling.
-[Sibella laughs]
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And it all looks pretty good
at this stage?
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Yeah, we're going really well.
Underneath, the iron is really good.
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-So you're pleased?
-Yeah, very.
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It'll be better tomorrow
when it gets roll ed.
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[Reg] All the wood's in pretty good nick ?
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-Yeah, but there's not much there.
-Okay.
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It's what they call
lightweight construction.
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That's just what it is.
Yep, that's the one for here.
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Unfortunately we had a vandal attack
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about a month
before the cottage was removed.
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[Sibella] Peter's hunting around inside,
looking for nails and other clues,
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seeing if he can unlock
any of the mystery of Emmaville.
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[Peter] One of the most unusual things
about this structure
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is it's just one species of timber
when it came in as a kit,
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and that's Douglas Fir,
the common name for that is Oregon.
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What makes this structure
interesting is the fact
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that it's all just slotted together,
no na ils...
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[Sibella] Like Lego.
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[Peter] Yeah, exactly.
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If you got everything square and plumb,
you just slot it all together.
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-Instant home.
-Instant home.
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I'm just curious to see what this
timber i s, so I'm gonna take a scraping.
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Tough one. Oh, wait.
Oh, look, that's interesting.
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[Sibella] It's very blonde, isn't it?
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This is Australian. This is hoop pine.
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So, we've got Australian cedar,
now we've got hoop pine.
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This is interesting.
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This was added to the kit home
after it arrived in Australia,
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because this is not an American timber.
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Let's see what else we can find
in the other rooms.
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[Sibella] So, how do we explain wood
that's not part of the original kit home?
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Is it because the house
had already been rebuilt in 1926,
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not long before Margaret Love was born?
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[Margaret] It was then about 93 years old.
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It was one of the earliest houses
in the colony, for Pete's sake.
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It was the first homestead on that land,
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which was the land of the Wiradjuri.
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It was dilapidated, but they'd done it up.
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They rebuilt it of the same weatherboards,
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so that my parents could get married.
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-How are you going, boys?
-G'day, Reg. How are you going?
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John, I'd like to introduce you
to Sibella Court.
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-Sibella, how are you?
-Nice to meet you.
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Now, we just need
to straighten it up a bit.
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[Sibella] So, what are you doing here?
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Re-rolling this old iron
that's a bit dilapidated
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and trying
to make it look more respectable.
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[Reg] John, you said you haven't seen
that mark before?
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[John] No, it's a new one to me.
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[Sibella] Where do you think it's made?
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[John] Look, I've no idea.
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[Sibella] Redfern, Sydney?
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Well, could be,
if it's got "Redfern" on i t.
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It's going to be so much
easier to put back on the roof,
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than while it's in that condition.
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00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,520
The flatter we can get it, the
better it'll lay on the roof. Yeah.
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-Reasonably straight?
-Yeah, that's fine.
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That's quality control,
if it looks straight, it's right.
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Show me what you're doing, Mick.
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[Sibella] Coming to workshops
and factories like this,
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just gives you a real indication
of what goes into the restoration
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of these sorts of places.
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It gives you an insight into what can
be reworked and what can be saved.
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-[man] Hear it crinkling?
-[Sibella] Yep.
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Pushing it back into shape.
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Each sheet has its own personality.
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Well, it's like Jersey cows, no two
cows have got the same pattern.
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[Sibella] When I first came to Orange
and saw the cottage,
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I wondered whether they would be able
to keep the original roofing,
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but it's so nice to see
that these guys are just as excited
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about reworking the old materials as I am.
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[man] Well, some six years ago,
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I come up
with the idea to create an akubra
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in the form of a pergola,
so people can sit under there
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to enjoy their picnics and barbecues, etc.
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I spend a lot of time
in research and development.
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[Sibella]
Chris Gryllis sits on Council with Reg,
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and he's an ideas man.
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He designed the Oz Cross,
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and he's got a radical proposal
for the Emmaville site.
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I understand your brother owns this cafe?
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Correct, yes.
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And I heard you have some
pretty impressive and exciting plans
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to add to the cottage.
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Well, I'd like to see
Banjo Paterson's hat,
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-to construct a big one...
-A hat? His hat?
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A hat, yes, as a pergola.
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-So, it'll be the giant hat...
-Yes.
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-...as a tourist attraction.
-That is correct, yes.
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[Sibella]
And what's the expanse of the brim?
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About five meters.
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00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,040
-Wow, it is giant.
-Yes.
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And where do you think it's going...
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Where do you envisage it being placed?
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If we can do it not very far from
the cottage, it will be fine. Yes.
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[Sibella] So, the idea is that
it attracts them to stop,
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it adds a bit of shelter
and a little bit of, I don't know,
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-fun and giantness to the project.
-That's the idea.
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[Sibella] And then they can get a coffee
at your brother's cafe.
444
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,520
-Absolutely. We're not prejudiced.
-[both laugh]
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Unfortunately... Unfortunately...
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there was some resentment,
there's a bit of opposition.
447
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240
[Sibella] The most vocal critic
of the hat idea is Reg.
448
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,280
He's pushing
for a statue of Banjo instead.
449
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,640
-Christopher. How are you, mate?
-Reg, how are you, my friend?
450
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,920
-Hi, Sibella. How are you?
-Good.
451
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,880
So, how is your statue going, Reg?
452
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,160
Oh, still working on it, Christopher.
[laughs]
453
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,480
How are you going to choose between
the giant akubra and the statue?
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00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,320
Is there gonna be a tossing of a coin?
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00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,360
Chris and I will probably have
to have a few drinks, a few arguments.
456
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,000
[Sibella] Well, it's a shame the hat
hasn't been built already,
457
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,640
so we could actually take shelter
under it today.
458
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720
So, it's been another couple
of interesting days in Orange.
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As you can see,
the weather is settling in.
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We definitely haven't got to the bottom
461
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of whether this cottage is actually
Banjo Paterson's birthplace.
462
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,920
I think there's plenty more people
that have got a very strong opinion on it.
463
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The story of this little cottage
is not over yet.
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[Sibella]
In fact, the longer this project goes on,
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the more controversial it gets.
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To understand why,
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I'm heading down to the famous
Orange landmark called Templer's Mill
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to explore the story of the obelisk.
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00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,000
According to Margaret Love,
it's the story of a monumental mistake.
470
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,880
Sibella, I'd love you to meet some people
who have got a different point of view
471
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,080
of where they think
Banjo Paterson was born.
472
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,280
It's good to hear
a few different points of view.
473
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,200
[Ron]
I've no problem with the other cottage,
474
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,840
with them saying it was on the property
th at Banjo was born on.
475
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680
But he definitely wasn't born in it.
476
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,280
[Sibella] Ron Gander is another councilor.
477
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,000
He believes Banjo's true birthplace
is right near Templer's Mill,
478
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,720
which we can't see anymore.
479
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,200
Sadly, it was blown up in 1971.
480
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,280
[explosion, glass shatters]
481
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,720
Banjo Paterson is recorded
as being born in a house
482
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,920
'eight chain from the mill'.
483
00:26:56,120 --> 00:27:00,800
It was of bluestone foundations,
with the same bricks as the mill,
484
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,360
and that was down on the creek,
even written on the obelisk.
485
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,400
[Sibella] And the obelisk,
is that from Banjo's time?
486
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,520
No. I don't know what year
the obelisk went up.
487
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,040
It was in about the '40s, I believe,
that it was put up. Elizabeth?
488
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920
-Yeah, 1947.
-1947.
489
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,960
[Sibella] In the 1940s,
local historian Dick Sheridan
490
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,400
found a copy of Banjo's birth certificate
491
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,800
with his birthplace
listed simply as 'Narrambla'.
492
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,720
Sheridan searched Narrambla
for the birthplace,
493
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,480
and decided it must be down
by Templer's Mill.
494
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,600
And he was wrong.
495
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,600
Because by that time,
496
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,240
the whole of that property
had been divided up.
497
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,520
They obviously didn't realize
that the property had been bisected
498
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,760
by the construction
of the railway line 60 years earlier,
499
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,440
so they confined their search
to the wrong side of the track.
500
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,800
[Sibella] There are at least five theories
about where exactly Banjo was born,
501
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,160
and no clear traces of a homestead.
502
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,680
Nevertheless, in 1947,
they erected an obelisk
503
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,360
marking the site of Banjo's birthplace.
504
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,800
[Heather] As generally tend to ha ppen,
a committee evolves,
505
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,400
and a theory evolves.
506
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,400
It's folklore. It's a popular story
that has gained momentum.
507
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,400
[Sibella]
We know for sure that Banjo Paterson
508
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,400
was born in the Narrambla homestead,
509
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,800
which was home to his mother's aunt, Rose,
510
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,600
and her husband, John Templer.
511
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,080
But was the Templers' homestead
really right next to their flour mill?
512
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,840
[Ron]
This was the control center of the mill.
513
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,640
The owner lived on site
to look after everything.
514
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,080
And Mr Templer was a man of great means
515
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,800
and he was a hard-working man.
516
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Ron, how come Mr Templer went broke?
517
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,680
[Margaret]
Templer was a totally pompous twit
518
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,560
who sent himself dead broke
on his wife's money.
519
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,160
He was a hands-on,
seven-days-a-week person.
520
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,720
[Margaret] He was no farmer.
He didn't have a clue.
521
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,680
He was in everything in town.
522
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,160
He wasn't in anything, as far
as I could see, on his property.
523
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,240
He was born in a house
on this side of the open road
524
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,520
close to the fence under that rise.
525
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,480
I do believe that the house
was between here and the creek.
526
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,880
When they located the obelisk at the top,
527
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,560
they put there the eight chains.
528
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,040
It's been measured
out with a compass and a measuring stick,
529
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,600
and that's where we've come to.
530
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,080
We've had people in the community
who have been showing us photographs
531
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,080
and mud maps of where
the actual house was standing.
532
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,480
So, Ron,
how will you feel if, next February,
533
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,920
the other place is opened
as Banjo Paterson's birthplace?
534
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,680
Well, I'll declare that it's a lie.
It's that simple.
535
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,560
[drilling]
536
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,280
[hammering]
537
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,920
[Sibella] We're through the winter now,
538
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,160
and I'm hoping the boys
have picked up the pace
539
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,600
and got some serious work done
on the cottage.
540
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,040
[hammering]
541
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,000
[Sibella] Hey, David.
542
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320
-How the devil are you, my dear?
-I'm well, thank you. And yourself?
543
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,600
[Sibella] The chimneys
had to be dismantled for the move.
544
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,600
Today, the team's rebuilding them.
545
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,720
That involves cleaning over 3,000 bricks.
546
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,360
How's the project going?
547
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,120
[David] We've got lots of work to do
in the next six months.
548
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,000
So time is getting away,
so it'll be hands-on, everybody.
549
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,680
-Well, you've got February deadline.
-Exactly right.
550
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,760
-Do you think you'll make it?
-Got to.
551
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,880
Do you believe, David,
552
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680
that Banjo Paterson
was born in this cottage?
553
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,200
'Course I do, Sibella.
554
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,280
I wouldn't be here
cleaning blasted bricks if I didn't.
555
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,080
[David] If, in 1830-something,
556
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,920
you bring a house from America
in a sailing boat
557
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,720
over the Blue Mountains
in a horse dray or a bullock dray,
558
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,200
and build it here in Orange,
559
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,880
you've got to be
a special person to do that.
560
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,080
That's, you know, the main reason
561
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,240
why we believe
that it is the correct cottage.
562
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480
-Well, good luck.
-Thanks, Sibella.
563
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,720
All the best to you too.
564
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,920
[Sibella] Plenty of people on site.
565
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Yeah, very, very busy day.
566
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280
-And the roof looks fantastic.
-Looks beaut.
567
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,800
And how's the debate going
568
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,560
between the giant akubra
and the bronze statue?
569
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,920
Well, it's going well.
570
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,240
A couple of weeks ago,
we got a committee together,
571
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,480
and they voted unanimously for a statue.
572
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,360
[Sibella] So, are you
and Counselor Gryllis
573
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,720
still on speaking terms?
574
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,960
[Reg] Oh, we certainly are.
575
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920
We've both been on Council
the same amount of time,
576
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,560
and wouldn't it be boring
if you were on Council for 22 years
577
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,440
and you agreed with everything
the other person said?
578
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,520
[Sibella] Are you still confident
that you'll open in February,
579
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,200
saying, 'This is the birthplace
of Banjo Paterson'?
580
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,200
[Reg]
Look, yeah, I'm fairly confident of that.
581
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,520
Different bits and pieces that you read
and people that you talk to sways me,
582
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,440
I can honestly tell you,
in different ways .
583
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,960
Who knows what will come out
of the woodwork here, so to speak,
584
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,640
when they're stripping back masonite
and so forth?
585
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
I'm hoping something really significant
will come out of the woodwork.
586
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,920
-Some kind of history treasure.
-Something written by his mum.
587
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560
-[Sibella chuckles] Yeah.
-"Mrs Paterson was here."
588
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,560
[Sibella] What are you guys looking at?
589
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,960
Well, we're going to recreate the chimneys
590
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,880
and we're just looking
at the way it was before.
591
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,160
Originally, there had actually been
two chimneys. There was one here.
592
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,480
-Oh, 'cause you can see the remnants...
-You can see the shape.
593
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,480
And actually if you look up,
you can actually now see
594
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,880
where it used to be in the timbers.
595
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,640
-See that dark mark in there?
-Yes.
596
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,680
And so that's where
the chimney was before.
597
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,160
So you can work it all out.
598
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,960
We can work out exactly where it was.
599
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,880
And then we hope to start on
the verandah tomorrow as well, so...
600
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,560
The front verandah? Fantastic.
That's gonna look great.
601
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,160
Hope to set that out and get it ready.
602
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,440
[Peter] This would've been, I think,
the main homestead.
603
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,440
This is where the boss lived,
the owners lived.
604
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,520
This would have been where
Banjo's mum came
605
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,400
to get through the whole birthing process.
606
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,920
[Sibella] Peter Schmich is a builder
and keen amateur historian.
607
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,440
He's donating his time to the project
608
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,920
because he believes Emmaville
has huge historical value.
609
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,200
My belief,
I really think Banjo was born here.
610
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,080
His mother came to stay with her cousin.
611
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,040
They wouldn't have stayed
in a worker's outbuilding or a cottage,
612
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,480
so they stayed in the main house
where he was born here.
613
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,720
So, I honestly believe
that Banjo was born here,
614
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,080
but...that is a very controversial point.
615
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,960
[Sibella] It's a new day,
and while Peter and the gang
616
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,560
get to work on the verandah,
I've got a date with Peter Kircher.
617
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,800
He's invited me up to his workshop
on Mount Canobolas.
618
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,040
Would this have all been orchards?
619
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,280
Most of this was orchard and grazing land.
620
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,240
[Sibella]
It was a tragedy when all the windows
621
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,760
on the house were smashed out.
622
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,800
Luckily, Peter's a leadlighter by trade,
623
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,640
and he's got the perfect skill set
to replace them.
624
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Like me, he's a huge fan of old materials,
625
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,520
old crafts and old techniques.
626
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,119
It's a real treat to be invited up here
to see how things used to be done.
627
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,720
It's beautiful here.
How long have you been here for?
628
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,840
We moved here in '71
from northern California.
629
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,440
-So, this is the workshop?
-This is the workshop.
630
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,280
[Peter] Used to be an old school bu s,
and I've added on to the side.
631
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,759
Just beware of the glass on the floor.
632
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,080
[Sibella] I love the glass on the floor.
633
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Okay, here's one of the sashes.
634
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,400
I've got to replace
a couple of pieces here.
635
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,920
Okay, I'm just gonna do a score here.
636
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,600
See, I'm using this line
on the paper as a guide.
637
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,280
Very low-tech.
638
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,240
[high-pitched scraping]
639
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,040
[Peter] See if it fits.
640
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,880
-Okay.
-Perfect.
641
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,280
Okay. Now, this is the putty.
642
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Putty has been around
for a long, long time.
643
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,680
[Sibella] So, this is the same recipe
that would have been used at that time?
644
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,880
-Yeah. It's called linseed oil putty.
-Yep.
645
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400
[Sibella]
Linseed was used a lot in artists'
646
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,200
supplies and materials, wasn't it?
647
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,600
That's right.
648
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,080
This isn't a true putty knife,
but it'll still do.
649
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120
-So, you just neaten it up?
-Yeah.
650
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,320
[Peter Kircher]
And we just wipe the residu e off,
651
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,480
and that's it for another century or so.
652
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:49,360
[Sibella] Peter's enthusiasm
for this old craft is so infectious,
653
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,440
and it's a real reminder that behind
all the controversy of this project,
654
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,920
there's a beautiful and worthwhile
restoration being done.
655
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,320
[Peter]
This type of architecture must be s aved,
656
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,200
because there's so little of it left.
657
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,080
We've ignored them for too long.
658
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,080
Producing truffles up in there.
659
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,040
-Truffles?
-Yeah.
660
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,480
Oh, yes, truffles!
661
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,960
[Sibella] Peter loves Emmaville
for its architectural value,
662
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,280
but that's not why so many people
663
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,800
are donating
their time and skills to save it.
664
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,120
They believe
it's Banjo Paterson's birthplace.
665
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,080
Peter is starting to have some doubts.
666
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,360
So, have you had any new discoveries
in the house?
667
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,280
He's been reading
up on the American timber industry
668
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
and wondering just how old this place is.
669
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,360
1849 was when they discovered gold,
so there was a gold rush,
670
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,560
I mean, massive gold rush.
671
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,080
I find it odd
that they would be making kit homes
672
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,240
to be shipped halfway around
the world at that time
673
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400
when the domestic demand
would have been so great.
674
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,560
[Sibella] So does that make you question
675
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,720
the age of this house?
676
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,880
[Peter] Oh, yeah, definitely.
677
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,200
And other things, like when
we first started poking around,
678
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,040
the first thing I looked
for was handmade nails.
679
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,760
All the nails in this building
680
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,760
are what's known
as a machine-made diamond head.
681
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,600
[Sibella] So, when would you date
this material from, the Oregon?
682
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,840
[Peter] After the gold rush settled down
683
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,160
and they started looking
for other markets .
684
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,000
I think it's late 19th century.
685
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,760
Are you saying that this house
isn't old enough
686
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,720
to be Paterson's birthplace?
687
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Unfortunately, yes.
688
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,080
[Sibella]
It's always a pleasure to visit Orange,
689
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,080
although this time around
a couple of things have got me concerned.
690
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,000
The naysayers
are really starting to fire up,
691
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,160
and Peter's bombshell about the age
of the house has me quite worried.
692
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,640
It's brilliant
to see the progress of the cottage,
693
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,920
with the verandah
and the chimneys going up.
694
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,600
However, I do have concerns
about what it's doing to the township.
695
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520
It does not seem
like it's bringing the town together,
696
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,240
but rather pulling them apart.
697
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,920
One thing's for sure -
698
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,400
this town has become increasingly
obsessed with Banjo Paterson.
699
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,280
I had written him a letter,
700
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,120
which I had,
for want of better knowledge. ..
701
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,200
...sent to where I met him
down the Lachlan years ago.
702
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,920
He was shearing when I knew him...
703
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,680
...so I sent the letter to him...
704
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,160
-...just on spec...
-...addressed as follows.
705
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,680
Clancy of the overflow.
706
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,760
And he sees the vision splendid
707
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,680
of the sunlit plains extended.
708
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,640
And at night the wondrous glory
of the everlasting stars.
709
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,040
And I somehow rather fancy...
710
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,200
...that I'd like to change with Clancy.
711
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,160
Like to take a turn at droving
where the seasons come and go.
712
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,160
While he faced the round eternal...
713
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,360
...of the cash book and the journal.
714
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480
But I doubt he'd suit the office.
715
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,840
Clancy of the overflow.
716
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,720
[female caller] For the past two years,
717
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,040
all I get is the green growth,
no flowers whatsoever.
718
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,760
No fertilizing
except a little bit of potassium, Okay?
719
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,480
[RJ] Thanks to Vivian from Bathurst.
720
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,400
[Sibella] Reg loves his gardening.
721
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,040
For the last 25 years,
722
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,480
he's been doing talkback radio
about it every Sunday.
723
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,000
And, Reg, what are your plans
for gardening today?
724
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Well, we're going up to Emmaville Cottage,
725
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,240
and we're doing
a bit of gardening up ther e.
726
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,120
We've put some beds in, and we've got
some people coming in to help.
727
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,440
All right, how's everything going, folks?
728
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,600
It was lovely for me,
working on this project,
729
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,480
because it reminded me
of my grandmother and her garden.
730
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,240
[Sibella] Sharene Orford
is a landscape designer for Council.
731
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960
She's been given the brief of crafting
732
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,680
a colonial-era garden and fence
for the house.
733
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,600
[Sharene]
These guys were crossing new frontiers.
734
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,320
They were a long way from home.
735
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,240
[Reg] In the Never Never.
736
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,200
Exactly. What was important back then
737
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,520
was establishing boundaries
and areas of control
738
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,160
and, so you could feel safe
and secure, ordering the space.
739
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,040
I never thought of it that way.
That's fantastic.
740
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,280
It then came down to practicality,
741
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,920
you needed fruit and vegetables to live,
742
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,400
so you'd grow veggies
on the northern side of the house,
743
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,480
because you'd get maximum sun exposure,
744
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,320
and your fruit trees could then be
on the south side of the house.
745
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,280
Well, I wanted oxhearts.
746
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,560
[Sibella]
With the garden finally going in,
747
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,560
it looks
like they may meet their deadline.
748
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,560
Tip him over.
749
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160
[Sibella continues]
However, there's one big problem.
750
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,680
The controversy of Banjo's birthplace
is spiraling out of control
751
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,120
and needs to be addressed.
752
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,960
He was born within about 170 yards
of the mill, eight chain,
753
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,520
and that that house
had bluestone foundations
754
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,600
and was made of the same bricks
that the mill was made of.
755
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,520
[Peter] Just because it's written in stone
doesn't mean it's accurate history.
756
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,840
What have we to say that documented
proof is truth and original history?
757
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,800
Well, his wife was here
and his wife testified to it.
758
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,640
[Mick] How often had she been to Orange?
759
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,440
[Ron] I think Elizabeth
can probably answer that.
760
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,040
No, I'm asking you, because you've
made the reference to this woman
761
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,400
making a statement
when she's in her what, her 80s?
762
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,440
I don't know, I'm reading...
763
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,240
Where she knew that her husband
was born 80 years ago.
764
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,040
If that upsets you,
tough titties, I don't care.
765
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,520
[Sibella]
So how old exactly is this house?
766
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,680
The story from Margaret Love
is that the homestead at Emmaville
767
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,320
was the Lords' homestead site.
768
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,440
[Sibella]
Simeon Lord was a colorful character.
769
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,640
He arrived in Sydney as a convict in 1791,
770
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,120
but soon amassed a huge fortune,
771
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,120
including large land holdings
in the city and Narrambla.
772
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,280
Here we actually have the land grant
to Simeon Lord,
773
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,520
and that was the original
Narrambla property.
774
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,640
[Sibella] So, did Simeon Lord
bring this house here in the 1830s?
775
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,120
[Mick]
If you follow the direction of Lords Place
776
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,840
it goes due north,
777
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,080
which reconciles with the Emmaville site.
778
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,240
The Lord family
owned a big shipping compa ny,
779
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,000
and it's quite possible
780
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,560
that they may have sent to America
for the home.
781
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,000
[Sibella]
Or was it Templer who brought it here?
782
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,880
[Heather]
My feeling is that this house was built
783
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,040
around the 1850s, 1860s,
during Templer's time.
784
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
[Sibella] Or did it arrive even later?
785
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,480
[Peter] The nails in this structure here
are definitely machine-made.
786
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,440
[Reg] Uh-huh.
787
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,480
So that suggests late Vic torian.
788
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,880
[Sibella] If Peter's right
about the nails, that's a deal-breaker.
789
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,080
The house just isn't old enough
to be Banjo's birthplace.
790
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,240
But...
791
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,520
I did find an old nail
next to that window over there,
792
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,240
and I've dated that nail early
Victorian rather than mid to late.
793
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,840
[Sibella] So the nail question
doesn't seem conclusive.
794
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,400
The next crucial question is this
795
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,400
would the Templers really
have lived right next to their mill?
796
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,680
[Mick] If Templer employed people
to run the mill for him,
797
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,280
which would have been a dirty, dusty
place, why would he live there?
798
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,280
To make sure that the workers
turned up on time,
799
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,240
did what they had to do
and that he was in full control.
800
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,600
In many early examples
of Victorian bosses,
801
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,200
I don't think
they got their hands that dirty.
802
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,560
I think it was more likely
803
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,920
that the main homestead
was up high, dry and healthy,
804
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,840
rather than down in the damp, wet valley.
805
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,480
[Heather]
We're talking about a much earlier time
806
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,760
where safety and security
was quite different.
807
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,800
I suspect you'd want to put your house
somewhere where you've got good vision.
808
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,360
[Margaret] Have you really been over there
809
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,040
and had a really good look
at where that obelisk is?
810
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,120
It's down in the swamp,
you can't see anywhere,
811
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,120
surrounded by all these
little hillocky places.
812
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,240
You'd be scared in a couple of minutes.
813
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,520
[Sibella] So, has this town
finally reached a consensus?
814
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,320
Until someone proves to me
that he wasn't born here,
815
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,840
I can go with, 'He was born here.'
816
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,160
Wouldn't it be nice if we could
have that celebration here
817
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,400
and say, 'This was the place
that Banjo was born.'
818
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,000
It's up to someone else to prove it's not.
819
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,160
That is absolutely ridiculous
to make a qualified statement
820
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,840
that we can get shot down on.
821
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,800
[Sibella] No, no consensus yet.
822
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,840
[Chris] Come on, this is gonna be
a beautiful stru cture.
823
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,880
[Reg] I'm sure it is, Chris,
and we'll do a great job,
824
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,280
but you've gotta appreciate
the amount of work going into it.
825
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,280
[Sibella] Speaking of controversy,
Chris Gryllis' proposed hat sculpture
826
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,120
is also dividing this town.
827
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,520
Undeterred, he's enlisted
local metalworker, Michael Cain.
828
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Once this is approved
by the council, we'll find a venue
829
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,040
and we will try to shape the new one
830
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,120
to look like this hat on the $10-note.
831
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,920
This mock-up one's fairly close,
832
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,600
but I think we've just gotta
roll the edges a bit more.
833
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,640
I understand it is not an easy one,
but I have so much faith in you
834
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,080
and I know you can do it.
835
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,520
So stop complaining
about it and just get on with job.
836
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,040
Chris, I can do it.
I haven't got a problem with that.
837
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,000
The problem you've got
is getting it through Council.
838
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,080
[both laugh]
839
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,840
[Chris]
Ah, Mick, you are a funny man, yo u are.
840
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,240
Now, Mick, he hasn't got you
involved in this too, has he?
841
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,960
-He has actually, yeah.
-Give us a look.
842
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,600
So, what do you think, Reg, you like it?
843
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120
-Have you changed your mind?
-No, I haven't changed my mind.
844
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,800
Well, bad luck,
because you're gonna wear it.
845
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,120
[Sibella] This hat has the potential
846
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,800
to radically change
the look and feel of this site,
847
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,000
which is why Reg is so fired up about it.
848
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,320
I've been in the council
longer than anyone else.
849
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,040
-No, you haven't.
-Longer than you.
850
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,440
-No, you haven't.
-Yes, I have.
851
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,800
-I was one term before you.
-No, you have not.
852
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,840
-Chris, you're saying silly things.
-I'm not saying silly things.
853
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,640
Well, go and look at the Council records,
for Christ's sake.
854
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,680
No, no, no. We want to have a bet on this.
855
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,400
Have a bet? Come on,
I don't want to take your money.
856
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,080
-You're not confident.
-How much do you want to bet?
857
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,600
-Whatever you want to bet?
-$1,000, I was elected before you.
858
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,000
-I've got the $10 note here.
-I was elected before you.
859
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,760
Then you got thrown off for one term.
860
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,840
That's Okay, yes.
861
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,800
We've been on there
the same amount of time.
862
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,680
But I was elected before you,
that's what I'm saying.
863
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,600
No, you said you've been there
longer than me.
864
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,240
Don't twist things around.
865
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,960
God, love a duck. He's impossible.
He's bloody impossible.
866
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,560
[Sibella] While the councilors argue,
work on the house is progressing well.
867
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,800
The team have had to strip back
and clean years of accumulated paint.
868
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,040
Now they're trying to reproduce what
the original colors might have been.
869
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,720
While the work goes on, the eyes
of the town are on the council,
870
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,000
where the hat question will be decided.
871
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Now we go to 4A,
Banjo Paterson hat, pages 10 to 42.
872
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,240
[coughs]
873
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,440
[Reg] Mr Mayor, just a point
of clarity here, an order.
874
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,600
Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry--
875
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,600
One minute we're talking
about whether we're talking about A or B.
876
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,080
Then together. Now we're talking about...
877
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,440
[intervening conversation]
878
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,240
-Come on, get to the point.
-No, Councilor Kidd...
879
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Mr Mayor,
I'd like to speak against the hat.
880
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,000
Now, it is the first time
881
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,200
I've ever seen a reaction
by the public like that,
882
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,920
who are virtually saying, "This is crazy."
883
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,960
We haven't told them the full extent
of the hat yet, it's Colorbond.
884
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,720
It is a crazy idea at this stage.
885
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,400
The motion is, um, the hat...
886
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,760
[man] To be buried.
887
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,400
To be buried. All in favor.
888
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,400
[councilors] Aye.
889
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,240
Against. Okay, carried.
890
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,680
I have already pledged
an order for the hat,
891
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,480
so I have to wear it from here on in.
892
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,920
[man]
So, just for clarification, Mr Mayor ,
893
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:02,960
we've got no hat,
894
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,000
no sculpture
and no memorial writers' fund .
895
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,560
-[laughter]
-After all of that.
896
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,120
[clapping]
897
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,520
[Christopher] If I was to say I'm happy,
I 'm lying. I'm disappointed.
898
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,440
The opponents, they're well-organized.
899
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,760
This is my victory this time.
900
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,640
He's had victories before,
but this is my victory.
901
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,680
This is our committee's victory
902
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,240
and this
is the community of Orange victory
903
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,480
over someone who tried to railroad us.
904
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,000
[Sibella]
So it looks like the hat question
905
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,600
has been finally put to bed,
906
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,760
but for me,
a much bigger question remains.
907
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,520
This February, will the town
of Orange be presenting Emmaville
908
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,000
as Banjo Paterson's true birthplace?
909
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,040
[man]
♪ And waited till his billy boiled ♪
910
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,560
♪You'll come a-waltzing Matilda
with me ♪
911
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,920
♪ A-waltzing Matilda,
Matilda, me darling ♪
912
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,000
♪ You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me ♪
913
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,160
♪ A-waltzing Matilda
Leading a water bag ♪
914
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,760
♪ You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with ♪
915
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,360
♪ Banjo on Banjo ♪
916
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,400
[Sibella]
Banjo Paterson was born 150 years ago
917
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,800
and Orange is celebrating like crazy.
918
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,320
The boys have worked so hard
to restore the cottage,
919
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,800
and I can't wait to see
how they've finished it.
920
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,920
However, if the weather is like this,
although it's great for the farmers,
921
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,640
it's not the best for a party.
922
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,520
[Sibella] The team was hoping
for a crowd of thousands today.
923
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,400
Unfortunately,
the rain's put a dampener on that,
924
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,640
but it's still amazing to see
the house in its finished state.
925
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,400
It's come so far from when
I first saw it looking so fragile.
926
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,240
in a completely different location
a year ago.
927
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,680
I take my hat off to the whole team,
928
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,320
and it's great to see
so many of them here today.
929
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:59,520
It looks amazing, so well done.
How are you all feeling, excited?
930
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,240
Oh, very excited
and very proud of the Rotary Club.
931
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,560
It's a wonderful example
of what people can achieve
932
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,760
when they're working together.
933
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,000
The guys have worked hard, for nothing,
934
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,640
and spent a lot of time
and a lot of effor t.
935
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,680
They've given us such a wonderful,
wonderful cottage...
936
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,200
And I'm sorry, I'm emotional.
937
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,440
-[laughter]
-That's fantastic.
938
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,360
Isn't it great? To think it's been saved,
to see it looking as good as it is.
939
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,760
It makes me thrilled.
940
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,960
I didn't want it to be just a
something that fell in a dumpy heap.
941
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,240
[Sibella] Sadly, Margaret
can't be here today for health reasons,
942
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,920
but her niece, Kieren,
943
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,600
is one of the people
who'll be opening Emmaville.
944
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,440
I was the last person
to live in this house
945
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,520
before it basically went to rack and ruin.
946
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,520
And really delighted that it was saved.
947
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Everything doesn't run smoothly.
948
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,480
Getting this cottage onto this site
wasn't a smooth job.
949
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,360
So, remember tomorrow,
950
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,200
One fifty years since
Andrew Barton Paterson was born,
951
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:09,360
and remember this cottage,
the memorial park out on Ophir Road,
952
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,440
all parts of this incredible history
that is Andrew Barton Paterson
953
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,000
and is the history of Orange.
954
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,400
[crowd]
♪ Once a jolly swagman camped ♪
955
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:19,160
♪ By a b illabong ♪
956
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,640
♪ Under the shade of a coolabah tree ♪
957
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,480
[woman] 3-2-1. Go! Go, guys.
958
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,600
♪ And he sang as he watched
and waited till his billy boiled ♪
959
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,760
♪ You'll come a-waltzing Matilda
with me... ♪
960
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,240
[Sibella] It's a beautiful moment,
but ever so slightly bittersweet.
961
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,160
All year I've been looking forward
to the day when we open up this house
962
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,640
and declare it to be Banjo's birthplace.
963
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,120
But that certainly hasn't happened today.
964
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,720
[man] Three cheers. Hip-hip.
965
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,760
[crowd] Hooray!
966
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,320
-Hip-hip.
-Hooray!
967
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,560
You're welcome to come through.
968
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,920
And we see a vision splendid
of the sunlit plains extended.
969
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,880
[Sibella] One year ago,
these three seemed certain
970
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,600
this was Banjo's birthplace.
971
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,560
-Who still believes that it is?
-Truthful David says, "Yes."
972
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,400
I certainly wouldn't dismiss it.
It's from the era.
973
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,960
It appears it was here when he was born
and it was part of the Templer estate.
974
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,840
It'd have to be an each-way bet.
975
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,560
We've had a lot of people in Orange
involved with Banjo Paterson
976
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,000
for many, many years,
977
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,000
and there's never, ever been
a question of him not being born
978
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,840
out eight chains from the obelisk.
979
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,200
[Sibella] I'm a little bit surprised
that on a day like this,
980
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,520
Reg, of all people,
is sitting on the fence.
981
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,920
And we're going to do archaeological digs
982
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,880
to try and settle
exactly one way or another.
983
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,600
So, that's what's important to me...
984
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,560
Do you guys have an opinion on that?
985
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,440
Yes, well, we don't really know, do we?
986
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,840
And unless somebody
can really prove that it's so,
987
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,760
it'll always be an open question, I think.
988
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,720
I haven't changed my opinion
that this is where Banjo was born.
989
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,360
Nicest house on the whole property
at the time,
990
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,240
it's imported American timbers,
991
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,160
and I'm quite certain still
that this is where Banjo was born.
992
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,000
Why has everyone else backed off, though?
993
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,520
There may be various
political reasons for that.
994
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,720
People don't like to mess
with history, I think.
995
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,840
In any other country,
any other part of the world,
996
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,440
something like that, they would love
to put a stamp on it...
997
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,880
-Claim it.
-Claim it, Yes.
998
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,000
And say, 'This is where it was.
999
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,120
This is where you go
to see where Banjo was born.
1000
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,040
Perhaps that's something
we sadly missed out on.
1001
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,640
[chuckles]
Banjo's probably up there laughing at us.
1002
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,000
-Well, it certainly sells newspap ers...
-[chuckles]
1003
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,840
...and it just keeps interest
in the struc ture.
1004
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,960
I mean, there will always be
a question that people will ask.
1005
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,320
So, are you a believer that Banjo
Paterson was born in this house?
1006
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,280
There's no reason not to believe it.
1007
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,920
So, how do you think Margaret would
feel that they're not claiming it?
1008
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,360
I think she'd think
they were a pack of fools.
1009
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,480
I just have doubts about the sense
of people who make such a commotion
1010
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,640
about everything
without ever doing any research.
1011
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:58,680
What's wrong with them?
1012
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,640
[folk music playing]
1013
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,120
[Sibella] Exactly 150 years ago today,
1014
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,880
Banjo Paterson was born,
1015
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,200
and down on the eastern end of Narrambla,
1016
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,000
at the site of the old Templer's mill
eight chain from the obelisk,
1017
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,920
the good people of Orange
are throwing a birthday party.
1018
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,840
-Hip-hip.
-Hooray!
1019
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,960
[Sibella continues]
It's hard to imagine modern Australia
1020
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,680
without Banjo's influence.
1021
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,280
Every time you meet a Clancy
or a Matilda, see a vision splendid
1022
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,080
or talk about movement
at the station, Banjo is there.
1023
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,840
It's such a treat to be in Orange
for his 150th,
1024
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,440
but I've chosen to spend this special day
1025
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,160
on the other side of the tracks
at Emmaville.
1026
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,400
And I've asked Reg to join me.
1027
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,560
I'll show you to our little house.
1028
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,280
[Sibella continues]
It was his early enthusiasm
1029
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,560
that got me so excited about this house,
1030
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,960
but in the last year I've sensed
a gradual change in him.
1031
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,320
So, what exactly does he believe today?
1032
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,320
This is looking quite different
from when we first, um, came in.
1033
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,040
Oh, it certainly does.
It's fantastic, isn't it?
1034
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,800
I remember the day of the move
when we weren't sure
1035
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,720
if it was gonna
stay together on the truck .
1036
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,560
The whole thing has come together
as this incredible, incredible place
1037
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,680
on Narrambla Estate,
1038
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,120
and perhaps the birthplace
of Banjo Paterson.
1039
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,320
Well, that's the big question, isn't it?
1040
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,000
We started with, "It is the birthplace,"
and now there's been quite a change.
1041
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,520
I still hope it is,
and I'm passionate about that,
1042
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,040
but if he wasn't born here,
1043
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,680
I'd still feel passionate
about this house.
1044
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,640
-Ah, you're a fence-sitter, Reg.
-No. No, no, I'm not at all.
1045
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,760
Just that little bit more work
that's gotta be done,
1046
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,840
and I hope I'm here when
they put the plaque on the wall,
1047
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,000
"Andrew Barton Paterson's birthplace."
1048
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,640
It'd be lovely to claim it.
1049
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,200
Oh, yeah, it certainly would, yeah.
1050
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,280
[Sibella] Well, I think Reg and I
can agree on one thing
1051
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,840
they've done a great job
with this restoration.
1052
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,160
I'm really impressed
with what this community has achieved,
1053
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,720
especially when you keep in mind
the amount of volunteer hours,
1054
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,640
people working for the love of it,
not for money.
1055
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,720
It's a basic, simple restoration,
but it gives you a real sense
1056
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,400
that back in its day this house
really would have been something,
1057
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,760
an imported timber house
1058
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,000
which would have been
the flashiest one around.
1059
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,720
Nicely presented,
smooth and even, not rough-hewn,
1060
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,480
which makes it highly likely
1061
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,440
it was the head homestead
of the property in the mid-1800s,
1062
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,400
making it highly likely
it was the place Banjo was born.
1063
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,560
All towns have differences of opinion,
1064
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,800
but despite these, the people of Orange
1065
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,920
have managed to complete this project
beautifully.
1066
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,120
The importance of this site
has been hotly debated,
1067
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,760
not just over the last couple
of years, but from as far back as 1947.
1068
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,440
And although I have no doubt that
the debate of Banjo's birthplace
1069
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,440
will continue for many years to come,
1070
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,240
I believe that Banjo
was born in this house.
1071
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Happy birthday, Banjo.
1072
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,560
[radio presenter] In 1948,
1073
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,800
an 80-year-old resident
of the district, Mr Lesley Oaks,
1074
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,120
could still remember
the original building.
1075
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,280
[man] Yes. Well, the first time
I saw Narrambla homestead
1076
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,440
was in the early '70s.
1077
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,400
It was built of weatherboard,
it was a smallish station home
1078
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:41,960
and not many rooms.
1079
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,480
But it had these wide verandahs
at the back and in the front,
1080
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,360
and also in the front
was the beautiful flower garden
1081
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,000
of that old Narrambla home.
1082
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,080
There was movement at the station...
1083
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,880
...for the word had passed around...
1084
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,560
...that the colt from old Regret
had got away...
1085
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,680
...and had joined the wild bush horses...
1086
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,680
...he was worth £1,000...
1087
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,480
...so all the cracks
had gathered to the fray.
1088
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,400
All the tried and noted riders...
1089
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,480
...from the stations near and far...
1090
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,520
...had mustered
at the homestead overnight...
1091
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,360
...for the bushmen love hard riding
where the wild bush horses are...
1092
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,480
...and the stock horse snuffs
the battle with delight.
1093
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,600
And where around the Overflow...
1094
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,880
...the reed beds sweep and sway...
1095
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,360
...to the breezes,
and the rolling plains are wide...
1096
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,240
...the man from Snowy River...
1097
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,080
...is a household word today...
1098
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,440
...and the stockmen
tell the story of his ride.
1099
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,760
What a beautiful hat this is, Stephen.
1100
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,080
Come on, Stephen, have a good look.
1101
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,600
Have a close look, come on.
Come and have a closer look.
1102
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,800
This is a beautiful hat.
I'm glad you like it.
90100
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