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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:13,146 --> 00:00:14,480 [narrator] Lizzie Borden, 4 00:00:15,548 --> 00:00:18,450 the most famous female ax murderer of all time. 5 00:00:19,285 --> 00:00:22,421 ♪ Lizzie Borden took an ax ♪ 6 00:00:22,488 --> 00:00:26,492 ♪ And gave her mother 40 whacks ♪ 7 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:27,626 [screams] 8 00:00:27,628 --> 00:00:29,961 [narrator] In 1892, she was accused of hacking 9 00:00:29,963 --> 00:00:32,965 her father and stepmother to death with a hatchet. 10 00:00:34,300 --> 00:00:37,436 Now, 129 years later, 11 00:00:37,438 --> 00:00:39,104 for the first time ever, 12 00:00:39,172 --> 00:00:40,973 four paranormal experts 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,376 gather to investigate a dark family secret. 14 00:00:45,244 --> 00:00:46,145 [Chris] What the... 15 00:00:47,914 --> 00:00:49,782 Lizzie's present too, but she's waiting. 16 00:00:49,849 --> 00:00:52,184 [Sam] She is, she's watching. 17 00:00:52,251 --> 00:00:56,922 [narrator] Rumors of black magic, the occult, and a dark force 18 00:00:56,989 --> 00:00:59,858 that will forever haunt generations in life, 19 00:00:59,860 --> 00:01:01,093 [grunts] 20 00:01:01,594 --> 00:01:03,061 And in death. 21 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:05,397 It's hovering above me right now. 22 00:01:05,399 --> 00:01:06,532 [disembodied voice speaking] 23 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:07,399 Oh, my God. 24 00:01:08,801 --> 00:01:10,135 Did you hear that? 25 00:01:10,203 --> 00:01:13,505 [narrator] Beware the curse of Lizzie Borden. 26 00:01:30,790 --> 00:01:33,258 [narrator] I first heard about the curse of Lizzie Borden 27 00:01:33,326 --> 00:01:35,127 in the winter of 2021. 28 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:39,731 Rumors that a dark force, a demonic energy... 29 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:42,201 - [thump] - [Dave] Are you hearing that? 30 00:01:42,268 --> 00:01:44,536 Something is knocking on the underside of the table, 31 00:01:44,538 --> 00:01:45,671 moving around us. 32 00:01:45,738 --> 00:01:46,938 [narrator] ...had been following 33 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:49,341 the Borden family for generations. 34 00:01:49,408 --> 00:01:51,677 [Chris] I think Lizzie's present too, she's waiting. 35 00:01:51,744 --> 00:01:53,212 [Dave] She is, she's watching. 36 00:01:55,949 --> 00:01:58,416 [objects clattering] 37 00:01:58,418 --> 00:02:01,019 You okay Dave? Yeah, I don't know what's going on there, buddy. 38 00:02:01,021 --> 00:02:02,521 [Chris] It's her, just relax. 39 00:02:04,023 --> 00:02:05,490 Are you choosing Dave? 40 00:02:05,492 --> 00:02:07,159 [narrator] I gathered together a group of experts 41 00:02:07,161 --> 00:02:11,496 to conduct one of the most dangerous paranormal rituals, 42 00:02:11,498 --> 00:02:13,632 a seance in the house. 43 00:02:13,634 --> 00:02:15,033 [Chris] Just trust me, Dave, it's okay. 44 00:02:15,101 --> 00:02:16,568 No, I don't want to let go. 45 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:19,104 [narrator] To get to the bottom of the family curse. 46 00:02:19,106 --> 00:02:22,641 Trust me, Dave, okay? 47 00:02:22,643 --> 00:02:26,645 [narrator] Chris Fleming, a renowned psychic medium, will lead the seance. 48 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:27,779 Take the pen. 49 00:02:27,781 --> 00:02:29,581 [narrator] His job? 50 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:31,850 To keep us safe from dark forces. 51 00:02:33,186 --> 00:02:36,321 Luann Joly, a local paranormal expert, 52 00:02:36,323 --> 00:02:39,158 who has investigated the house countless times. 53 00:02:40,526 --> 00:02:41,426 [Chris] Who are you? 54 00:02:43,729 --> 00:02:46,798 [narrator] And finally, Sam Baltrusis. 55 00:02:46,866 --> 00:02:49,467 Sam is a direct descendant of Lizzie, 56 00:02:49,469 --> 00:02:52,471 who believes his family has been cursed for generations. 57 00:02:52,538 --> 00:02:55,273 Okay, I don't have control of my arm and I don't like this at all. 58 00:02:55,275 --> 00:02:57,075 - [Chris] I know that, Dave, trust me. - [Luann] You're okay. 59 00:03:15,228 --> 00:03:19,331 Just pulled into the infamous Lizzie Borden murder house. 60 00:03:24,637 --> 00:03:27,506 It's been almost a decade since I was here, 61 00:03:27,573 --> 00:03:30,976 and it's the stuff of nightmares. 62 00:03:31,043 --> 00:03:33,912 [narrator] Disembodied voices, and cries in the night, 63 00:03:33,914 --> 00:03:36,982 footsteps falling throughout the entire house. 64 00:03:37,049 --> 00:03:39,585 I mean, this house is clearly haunted. 65 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:44,322 It's been investigated hundreds of times, but... 66 00:03:44,324 --> 00:03:47,192 this is the first time that we're going to take on 67 00:03:47,194 --> 00:03:48,727 the Lizzie Borden curse. 68 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:53,532 Could there be a Borden family curse? 69 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:54,900 And was Lizzie a victim? 70 00:03:56,269 --> 00:03:59,271 Did an evil entity take possession of her body 71 00:03:59,338 --> 00:04:01,273 and turn her into a cold blooded killer? 72 00:04:01,340 --> 00:04:02,607 [screams] 73 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:04,676 Can the curse be broken? 74 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:07,279 Hopefully we'll get those answers during the next few days. 75 00:04:13,286 --> 00:04:16,588 [narrator] It all began on the morning of August 4th, 1892, 76 00:04:17,957 --> 00:04:20,392 when Fall River Massachusetts police 77 00:04:21,294 --> 00:04:23,362 were called to investigate a murder 78 00:04:23,429 --> 00:04:25,897 at the home of respected businessman, 79 00:04:25,965 --> 00:04:28,467 Andrew Borden, Lizzie's father. 80 00:04:29,435 --> 00:04:30,569 [footsteps] 81 00:04:40,713 --> 00:04:41,747 [camera shutter clicking] 82 00:04:44,183 --> 00:04:46,451 [narrator] It was a gruesome scene. 83 00:04:48,921 --> 00:04:52,591 [narrator] Andrew's face had been bludgeoned 11 times with a hatchet. 84 00:04:54,193 --> 00:04:56,728 The corpse, still bleeding, 85 00:04:56,796 --> 00:05:00,332 suggesting that he had been murdered within the hour. 86 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:04,736 His nose had been completely severed from his face. 87 00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:07,673 His eyeball left dangling on his cheekbone. 88 00:05:08,875 --> 00:05:11,443 The bloody scene continued upstairs, 89 00:05:13,412 --> 00:05:15,814 where Andrew's wife, Abby Borden, 90 00:05:15,881 --> 00:05:18,817 stepmother to Lizzie and Emma Borden, 91 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:22,354 was found lying face down in a pool of blood, 92 00:05:23,255 --> 00:05:25,857 her head smashed to pieces. 93 00:05:25,925 --> 00:05:30,729 Of the two murders, Abby's was far more gruesome, 94 00:05:30,731 --> 00:05:34,333 with 18 savage hacks delivered to her head. 95 00:05:36,869 --> 00:05:40,839 Only Lizzie and the Bordens' maid were home at the time of the attacks. 96 00:05:42,475 --> 00:05:44,008 Lizzie's responses to police 97 00:05:44,043 --> 00:05:46,611 were at times strange and contradictory, 98 00:05:46,679 --> 00:05:49,948 and she was immediately considered the main suspect. 99 00:05:51,217 --> 00:05:55,019 You know, I didn't come here to solve a crime. 100 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:57,155 I didn't come here to put the thumbtack 101 00:05:57,223 --> 00:06:01,259 in the final analysis of the Lizzie Borden case. 102 00:06:01,961 --> 00:06:03,561 We came here to understand, 103 00:06:03,563 --> 00:06:06,297 could there be a dark force at work, 104 00:06:06,299 --> 00:06:08,367 feeding off the tortured, fractured souls 105 00:06:08,434 --> 00:06:10,268 that were left behind by the Borden family? 106 00:06:11,303 --> 00:06:13,571 Luann. Well, thanks a lot for coming back. 107 00:06:13,573 --> 00:06:15,974 - Shall we get started? - Definitely. 108 00:06:16,041 --> 00:06:17,242 Great, let me give you a hand. 109 00:06:17,244 --> 00:06:20,512 [narrator] Luann Joly has had some strange experiences 110 00:06:20,514 --> 00:06:21,847 in the Borden house. 111 00:06:21,914 --> 00:06:23,715 She's even collected audio recordings 112 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:26,885 she believes are directly from Lizzie herself. 113 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:28,420 [Dave] This is a... 114 00:06:30,056 --> 00:06:31,456 I gotta tell ya, this is weird. 115 00:06:31,458 --> 00:06:33,658 And I go into a lot of haunted locations. 116 00:06:33,726 --> 00:06:35,727 This place left an indelible mark on me, 117 00:06:35,795 --> 00:06:37,596 just walking back in, already I get this 118 00:06:37,663 --> 00:06:40,799 kind of apprehension feeling in the middle of my chest. 119 00:06:40,866 --> 00:06:43,535 Can't say it's fear, but it's definitely uncomfortable. 120 00:06:43,602 --> 00:06:45,937 I mean, you've been here three or four times. 121 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:48,540 What are you picking, just walking back in again? 122 00:06:48,607 --> 00:06:51,076 It's a very intimidating house. 123 00:06:51,143 --> 00:06:54,212 And every time I walk in here, 124 00:06:54,214 --> 00:06:58,550 I feel it emotionally and physically. 125 00:06:59,218 --> 00:07:00,185 It's heavy. 126 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:02,888 [narrator] Could we already be feeling 127 00:07:02,955 --> 00:07:05,424 the dark energy from the family curse? 128 00:07:06,626 --> 00:07:08,026 Before investigating the house, 129 00:07:08,028 --> 00:07:09,961 let's go over the murder suspects. 130 00:07:14,366 --> 00:07:17,803 [narrator] The Lizzie Borden trial was the O.J. Simpson case of its day. 131 00:07:18,704 --> 00:07:21,106 Everyone talked about this, 132 00:07:21,173 --> 00:07:25,177 but in fact, Lizzie Borden was eventually acquitted of these murders. 133 00:07:26,646 --> 00:07:28,814 The petite, devout, and devoted daughter, 134 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:32,784 could never have wielded a heavy hatchet, 135 00:07:32,786 --> 00:07:35,119 decimating half of Andrew's face 136 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:37,989 and pulverizing an equal portion of Abby's skull. 137 00:07:40,793 --> 00:07:42,294 Or could she? 138 00:07:49,201 --> 00:07:51,803 [Dave] This definitely seems like it would be 139 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:53,405 a case of something with passion, 140 00:07:53,472 --> 00:07:57,075 meaning this killer was connected to the family somehow. 141 00:07:57,142 --> 00:07:59,744 [narrator] And if not Lizzie, then who? 142 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,483 Lizzie's sister Emma was out of town that day, 143 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:07,819 but Lizzie and Emma's uncle, John Morse, 144 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:10,421 was visiting the family and claimed he left 145 00:08:10,423 --> 00:08:12,057 before the murders took place. 146 00:08:13,359 --> 00:08:14,826 He was ruled out as a suspect 147 00:08:14,894 --> 00:08:18,230 after he provided an overly detailed alibi. 148 00:08:18,297 --> 00:08:20,966 There were rumors Morse dabbled in the occult, 149 00:08:21,033 --> 00:08:24,035 and even allegations of witchcraft in his lineage, 150 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:26,971 dating back to the late 1600s. 151 00:08:26,973 --> 00:08:30,041 Could he be the origin of the Borden family curse? 152 00:08:30,109 --> 00:08:35,580 Did he conjure and bring a dark force into the Borden home? 153 00:08:35,582 --> 00:08:39,718 Or was he himself possessed by demonic energies 154 00:08:40,586 --> 00:08:42,854 that drove him to commit murder? 155 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:45,457 One thing's for sure, 156 00:08:45,524 --> 00:08:48,527 John Morse was strong enough to wield the weapon, 157 00:08:48,594 --> 00:08:50,529 and he knew how to use it. 158 00:08:50,596 --> 00:08:52,063 [Luann] He was a butcher. 159 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:54,866 And a butcher did also carry something 160 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:57,369 very similar to an ax. 161 00:08:59,672 --> 00:09:02,607 [Dave] Or was it someone else? 162 00:09:02,609 --> 00:09:06,611 Who are some of our other eligible suspects? 163 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,047 What do we know about Bridget, the housekeeper? 164 00:09:10,482 --> 00:09:12,617 [Luann] Bridget wasn't feeling well that day 165 00:09:12,685 --> 00:09:15,287 and ended up going upstairs and laying down, 166 00:09:15,354 --> 00:09:17,155 when the murders actually happened. 167 00:09:19,425 --> 00:09:23,895 [Dave] Bridget was rumored to be quite protective of Lizzie. 168 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:27,165 So was there an injustice that she witnessed in that house 169 00:09:27,233 --> 00:09:29,401 that sparked this murderous rage? 170 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:34,772 [Luann] She's present in the house and didn't hear a thing? 171 00:09:34,774 --> 00:09:36,841 [screams] 172 00:09:36,909 --> 00:09:39,777 But we're looking at it again from a logical perspective, 173 00:09:39,779 --> 00:09:43,448 of here's a crime, here's a perpetrator, here's how it's done. 174 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:46,117 We're not taking in, or maybe most of the world 175 00:09:46,185 --> 00:09:49,387 isn't taking in the possibility of a paranormal effect. 176 00:09:51,324 --> 00:09:54,526 [narrator] It's time to investigate the presence of a dark force. 177 00:09:54,593 --> 00:09:58,463 And I think we're gonna definitely need some help from somebody else. 178 00:09:58,530 --> 00:10:00,532 I know the guy I might have to call in for this, 179 00:10:00,599 --> 00:10:02,934 somebody that is a little bit more in tune to that side. 180 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:08,206 [narrator] Chris Fleming has been a psychic medium for over 25 years. 181 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:11,276 If anyone can get in touch and connect 182 00:10:11,343 --> 00:10:14,379 with the spirits or demonic force in this house, 183 00:10:14,413 --> 00:10:17,582 and get to the bottom of the Lizzie Borden family curse, 184 00:10:19,084 --> 00:10:21,219 I know Chris Fleming is the guy. 185 00:10:21,286 --> 00:10:24,022 We both had traumatic experiences here. 186 00:10:24,089 --> 00:10:27,225 Lizzie, of course, is the main focus of this house, 187 00:10:27,227 --> 00:10:29,694 but I don't know exactly what we're dealing with, 188 00:10:29,762 --> 00:10:31,763 and how much of it is projected from her 189 00:10:31,830 --> 00:10:34,565 - Mm-hmm. - or something projecting through her. 190 00:10:34,567 --> 00:10:37,035 And that's why I thought I could use your expertise. 191 00:10:37,037 --> 00:10:41,473 You've had experiences with the demonic and very malevolent ghosts. 192 00:10:42,441 --> 00:10:43,775 Are you ready to do this again? 193 00:10:43,842 --> 00:10:46,244 I've been wanting to come back here for 10 years. 194 00:10:46,311 --> 00:10:48,446 [Dave] All right, well, we got a big job ahead of us. 195 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:50,582 I say we investigate it, 196 00:10:50,649 --> 00:10:52,817 and see if we can break down some answers. 197 00:10:55,788 --> 00:10:57,188 Luann Joly, this is Chris Fleming. 198 00:10:57,256 --> 00:10:59,791 - Hi, very nice to meet you. - So nice to meet you. 199 00:10:59,793 --> 00:11:03,394 Thank you. Dave told me a little bit about your situation, 200 00:11:03,396 --> 00:11:06,665 but I'm interested in hearing what you've been going through. 201 00:11:06,732 --> 00:11:12,003 I feel like Lizzie somehow wants to communicate with me, 202 00:11:12,005 --> 00:11:15,140 - Okay. - but there are so many other spirits in the house, 203 00:11:15,207 --> 00:11:17,141 that it can be difficult for her, 204 00:11:17,143 --> 00:11:19,544 and sometimes they're violent. 205 00:11:19,546 --> 00:11:23,782 They are very verbal in this house. 206 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:29,087 [narrator] Knowing that there may be a powerful malevolent force here, 207 00:11:29,154 --> 00:11:32,624 it's time to bring in Sam Baltrusis. 208 00:11:32,691 --> 00:11:36,227 He's the one person who has a unique connection 209 00:11:36,295 --> 00:11:38,363 to both the Borden murder house 210 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:40,198 and the dark energy it holds. 211 00:11:41,166 --> 00:11:42,434 Hey, guys. 212 00:11:42,501 --> 00:11:44,169 - I've got a special guest who's gonna join us. - How are you? 213 00:11:44,236 --> 00:11:45,437 Sam, if you'd like to have a seat. 214 00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:47,972 Sam Baltrusis is a author. 215 00:11:47,974 --> 00:11:49,908 He's written over 13 different books, 216 00:11:49,975 --> 00:11:54,779 and he is actually related to the Borden family. 217 00:11:54,847 --> 00:11:58,516 [Sam] I've always been drawn to the Lizzie Borden case, 218 00:11:58,518 --> 00:12:02,921 but it wasn't until my mother did genealogical research on her paternal family line, 219 00:12:02,988 --> 00:12:05,657 that we discovered that I'm twice related to the Bordens, 220 00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:10,595 with connections going back to several families from 17th century New England. 221 00:12:10,662 --> 00:12:12,530 Now that I know that I'm connected to the Borden family 222 00:12:12,532 --> 00:12:15,800 and to a lot of crimes that are horrific, 223 00:12:15,868 --> 00:12:19,137 my mission in life is to try to find some solution 224 00:12:19,204 --> 00:12:21,740 to help these people heal in the afterlife. 225 00:12:23,075 --> 00:12:25,610 [Dave] All right, so here's the game plan for tonight. 226 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:28,279 Sam will be rejoining us tomorrow for the seance, 227 00:12:28,281 --> 00:12:30,348 but in the meantime, Chris and Luann, 228 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:33,284 let's do a baseline sweep of the house. 229 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:35,887 I'm gonna sit at base camp and keep an eye on the entire investigation. 230 00:12:35,954 --> 00:12:39,023 I'd really like you to go along with Luann and observe. 231 00:12:39,091 --> 00:12:40,358 Run your own recorder, 232 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,559 - Okay. - and see if you're able to get any 233 00:12:41,561 --> 00:12:43,561 corroborating evidence with hers. 234 00:12:43,629 --> 00:12:46,564 Luann, you do what you do best, run your recorder. 235 00:12:46,632 --> 00:12:49,033 See if Lizzie or any of the other spirits of this house 236 00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:50,835 are ready to come out and talk tonight. 237 00:12:50,903 --> 00:12:53,771 I'm gonna sit here and observe from base camp, 238 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:55,306 but I want you to both be careful. 239 00:12:55,374 --> 00:12:57,509 You're both sensitive, you're both open, 240 00:12:57,576 --> 00:13:00,511 and it obviously can affect you physically and mentally. 241 00:13:00,513 --> 00:13:03,047 We'll gather what tools you'd like to take up. 242 00:13:03,115 --> 00:13:04,315 Let's see what we can get tonight, 243 00:13:04,383 --> 00:13:06,651 and what the spirits have to share with us. 244 00:13:06,653 --> 00:13:08,653 Be careful, let's go lights out. 245 00:13:09,588 --> 00:13:12,056 We have the entire house rigged. 246 00:13:12,124 --> 00:13:14,993 We've got GoPros, we've got night vision cameras. 247 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:16,527 We've got security cameras 248 00:13:16,529 --> 00:13:19,397 covering just about every inch of this house. 249 00:13:19,464 --> 00:13:21,966 If something happens, we're gonna catch it. 250 00:13:27,072 --> 00:13:28,406 [Chris] All right, Dave, see you in a bit. 251 00:13:28,473 --> 00:13:30,141 [Dave] All right, be safe. 252 00:13:32,144 --> 00:13:34,011 [Chris] Luann, I'm gonna follow behind you. 253 00:13:34,013 --> 00:13:36,815 [Luann] Okay. Good idea. 254 00:13:36,882 --> 00:13:38,482 [Chris] Luann, when I was here 10 years ago, 255 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:40,418 I just want to tell you this real quickly, 256 00:13:40,485 --> 00:13:42,554 I was standing just outside this hallway, 257 00:13:42,621 --> 00:13:44,522 and I said, "Did you do it, who did it?" 258 00:13:45,291 --> 00:13:46,891 [woman's voice speaking] 259 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:48,960 [Chris] Holy [bleep]. 260 00:13:49,027 --> 00:13:51,028 Did you just hear that? 261 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:52,763 And I heard what I believe sounds, 262 00:13:52,765 --> 00:13:54,632 a woman saying, "It wasn't me." 263 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:58,502 It was coming from here in this area. 264 00:13:58,504 --> 00:14:00,638 [Luann] Wow. 265 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,509 [narrator] They're now entering the Abby Borden murder room 266 00:14:04,576 --> 00:14:08,246 where Abby's body was found bludgeoned next to the bed. 267 00:14:08,248 --> 00:14:09,781 [Luann on camera] This area right here 268 00:14:09,848 --> 00:14:12,583 is where you get really disoriented, 269 00:14:12,585 --> 00:14:14,986 and you get that funhouse feeling. 270 00:14:15,053 --> 00:14:18,322 You kind of don't feel so good all of a sudden. 271 00:14:18,324 --> 00:14:22,060 [narrator] Luann is clearly affected by something in that room. 272 00:14:22,127 --> 00:14:23,728 [Chris on camera] Let's try something, all right? 273 00:14:23,795 --> 00:14:25,196 I'm going to record, 274 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:29,200 Abby Borden, are you here with us? 275 00:14:30,602 --> 00:14:34,505 See how that just beeped louder when I said something? 276 00:14:35,741 --> 00:14:40,478 Chris is utilizing the Geiger counter as a form of ITC, 277 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,813 trying to communicate and have the spirits 278 00:14:42,815 --> 00:14:47,418 influence the energy around it, in different patterns. 279 00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:49,487 Once for yes, twice for no, 280 00:14:49,489 --> 00:14:52,023 asking questions and holding up fingers 281 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:54,025 to see how many beeps it will give. 282 00:14:54,092 --> 00:14:57,495 [Chris on camera] Abby, can you beep four times in a row? 283 00:15:06,105 --> 00:15:09,240 [four beeps] 284 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:10,842 [Chris] It just hit four! 285 00:15:10,909 --> 00:15:14,345 It just went beep, beep, beep, beep in a sequence of four. 286 00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:16,481 I have never seen that. 287 00:15:18,283 --> 00:15:19,984 [Chris on camera] I'll do a quick EVP here. 288 00:15:20,953 --> 00:15:22,620 Go ahead. 289 00:15:22,688 --> 00:15:25,823 [Luann on camera] Lizzie, do you have anything to tell us? 290 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,828 [on EVP recording] Do you have anything to tell us? 291 00:15:31,763 --> 00:15:33,298 [Chris] Ooh, listen to that. 292 00:15:33,365 --> 00:15:34,732 There is something there. 293 00:15:35,901 --> 00:15:37,368 [Luann on camera] Do you have anything to tell us? 294 00:15:39,571 --> 00:15:40,571 [Chris] I'm here. 295 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:41,706 She said, "I'm here?" 296 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:42,573 [Luann] Yeah. 297 00:15:43,308 --> 00:15:45,777 [Chris] Dave, this is key. 298 00:15:45,844 --> 00:15:49,046 [Dave] Yeah, I could hear you from down here. The EVP was really clear. 299 00:15:49,048 --> 00:15:50,782 -[Chris on radio] You heard it? -[Dave on radio] Yes, 300 00:15:50,849 --> 00:15:52,050 stick with it, keep going, 301 00:15:52,117 --> 00:15:53,785 you've got something intelligent responding. Get it. 302 00:15:53,852 --> 00:15:55,620 [Chris] Okay, let's have some more questions. 303 00:15:57,122 --> 00:15:58,756 Let's go on to the other rooms. 304 00:16:00,259 --> 00:16:04,529 Chris is getting some unique... communication. 305 00:16:06,932 --> 00:16:08,733 Appears to be intelligent in the way 306 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,034 that it's trying to make itself known. 307 00:16:11,270 --> 00:16:13,938 Okay, now they're in Lizzie Borden's bedroom. 308 00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:17,041 [Chris] Go ahead and ask a question, Luann. 309 00:16:18,143 --> 00:16:20,211 [Luann] Lizzie, are you here with us? 310 00:16:27,352 --> 00:16:28,285 [rustling sound] 311 00:16:28,287 --> 00:16:29,287 Did you hear that? 312 00:16:30,556 --> 00:16:33,958 Like from this wall, um... 313 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,961 But that was like direct voice phenomenon, that wasn't EVP. 314 00:16:39,164 --> 00:16:40,732 What's on the opposite side of this room? 315 00:16:42,968 --> 00:16:44,102 [Luann] Um... 316 00:16:50,842 --> 00:16:53,310 [Chris] Okay, wait a minute, this is the Borden, the, the... 317 00:16:53,312 --> 00:16:55,446 - Andrew Borden's room though... - Right here, right? 318 00:16:55,448 --> 00:16:57,181 [Luann] Yes. 319 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:59,584 [Chris] I had an experience here, but I want you 320 00:16:59,651 --> 00:17:02,253 to tell me if you've had any experiences over here. 321 00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:03,654 [Luann] Okay. 322 00:17:03,722 --> 00:17:05,189 [Chris] When I was here 11 years ago, 323 00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:08,726 we came through here and we smelled, like, rotting flesh. 324 00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:10,595 Like, just, it was horrific. 325 00:17:10,662 --> 00:17:12,930 It makes sense when I was told later 326 00:17:12,932 --> 00:17:15,133 that one of the bodies were laid down 327 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,535 on the dining room table for a while, 328 00:17:17,602 --> 00:17:19,470 so the whole house stunk. 329 00:17:19,538 --> 00:17:21,405 So that would make sense that this house 330 00:17:21,407 --> 00:17:22,840 probably reeked of rotting flesh. 331 00:17:25,877 --> 00:17:30,347 Uh, and I just saw, it was almost like a child, 332 00:17:30,349 --> 00:17:33,584 a little girl that was standing right here for a second and then vanished. 333 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:35,653 Um, let me ask. 334 00:17:36,822 --> 00:17:39,223 Was there a little girl that was just standing here? 335 00:17:43,362 --> 00:17:44,796 I know I saw you. 336 00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:49,400 Speak to me please. 337 00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:52,870 What is your name? 338 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,510 What... What I saw as... I was talking to Luann, 339 00:17:59,578 --> 00:18:02,580 saw something, corner of my eyes and as I looked, 340 00:18:02,647 --> 00:18:04,515 it was about this tall, 341 00:18:04,517 --> 00:18:07,251 but it was on this step or the next step, 342 00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:10,754 like a little girl standing right here for a few seconds 343 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,824 and then just vanished, gone. 344 00:18:12,891 --> 00:18:15,359 So obviously it was coming into the room 345 00:18:15,361 --> 00:18:17,828 or standing outside to watch what we were doing. 346 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:19,297 It was curious what we were discussing. 347 00:18:21,166 --> 00:18:23,468 How many spirits are in this house? 348 00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:30,007 [Luann on recording] How many spirits are in this house? 349 00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:33,777 What the... 350 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:34,946 [Dave on radio] Whoa, was that a growl? 351 00:18:39,718 --> 00:18:41,252 - [bleep]. - Wow. 352 00:18:46,625 --> 00:18:49,627 [Dave on radio] Wow, that sounded like a demonic growl, 353 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:52,096 It's as if we angered something. 354 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,264 Let's keep going. 355 00:18:54,533 --> 00:18:56,033 We've got limited time in that room, 356 00:18:56,101 --> 00:18:58,169 and I would like you to try to hit the upstairs room 357 00:18:58,236 --> 00:18:59,737 at least for a few minutes. 358 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,374 [Chris] Now I've never been upstairs. 359 00:19:03,441 --> 00:19:04,842 - [Luann] You haven't? - [Chris] No. 360 00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:11,249 - [Luann] This room... - [Chris] I remember this room. 361 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:14,452 [Luann] ...seems to have a lot of activity in it. 362 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:17,655 [narrator] They're now heading up to the attic, to one of the maid's rooms, 363 00:19:17,722 --> 00:19:20,391 known to be a paranormal hotspot. 364 00:19:20,458 --> 00:19:21,993 [Luann on radio] Well... 365 00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:26,931 - [sighs] - if you lay on the bed, lay across it sideways, 366 00:19:26,998 --> 00:19:31,402 lay on the bed with your legs hanging open, over the edge. 367 00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:35,005 - Okay. - And something will grab your legs, 368 00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:37,808 or it will lift them up, I've seen both. 369 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:39,743 [Chris] So there was somebody pulled underneath the bed? 370 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:40,811 [Luann] Yes. 371 00:19:42,147 --> 00:19:44,549 And it happens when you're awake. 372 00:19:44,616 --> 00:19:47,618 It happens in front of witnesses. 373 00:19:47,620 --> 00:19:48,486 [Chris] Okay. 374 00:19:56,695 --> 00:19:59,263 [Chris] Who's the one that's pulling on people's feet? 375 00:20:07,038 --> 00:20:09,407 Whoa, I caught something fly behind you. 376 00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:14,612 Whoa, I caught something fly behind you. 377 00:20:16,848 --> 00:20:18,449 [Dave on radio] Whoa, wait, what was that? 378 00:20:19,317 --> 00:20:21,986 Was that a spirit light? 379 00:20:21,988 --> 00:20:24,455 [Chris] Yep, it was, like, right where your hand is. 380 00:20:24,522 --> 00:20:26,090 Come touch my hand. 381 00:20:28,193 --> 00:20:30,328 [Chris] I'm gonna lean up. 382 00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:33,197 I'm almost certain it was, like, a white ball of energy or, like, an anomaly. 383 00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:37,401 [Chris on recording] I'm almost certain it was like... 384 00:20:38,337 --> 00:20:39,804 [Chris] Oh, camera's dead. 385 00:20:43,408 --> 00:20:45,643 [Chris on radio] Dave, my camera just went dead. 386 00:20:48,146 --> 00:20:51,348 That was a brand new battery, brand new battery. 387 00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:53,084 Why don't we wrap it up for tonight? 388 00:20:53,151 --> 00:20:55,152 We've got a lot to go over and discuss. 389 00:20:55,154 --> 00:20:58,789 And uh we'll meet down here in the, uh, front room again. 390 00:20:59,691 --> 00:21:01,225 Okay, be there in a second. 391 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:07,564 [Dave] All right, so why don't we break down. 392 00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:10,501 We've had a long day, but before we call it a night, 393 00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:12,503 I'd like to try one more thing. 394 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:15,906 And that's to take the SLS camera to the sitting room 395 00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,842 where Andrew Borden was murdered. 396 00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:23,047 [Chris] This is the area here that Andrew Borden died. 397 00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:25,916 [Dave] Chris is using a specialized light sensor camera, 398 00:21:25,918 --> 00:21:29,053 which will detect human forms. 399 00:21:29,055 --> 00:21:31,789 And sometimes in these haunted locations, 400 00:21:31,856 --> 00:21:35,493 it'll map out forms that we can't even see with the naked eye. 401 00:21:37,128 --> 00:21:39,530 [Chris] Oh! Something's in the doorway, Dave. 402 00:21:39,597 --> 00:21:40,731 [Dave] What? 403 00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:42,533 [Chris] Oh, Now it's gone. You just walked through it. 404 00:21:42,535 --> 00:21:44,401 - [Dave] Did it? - [Chris] Holy crap. 405 00:21:44,403 --> 00:21:46,136 [Dave] Something just appeared in the doorway? 406 00:21:46,138 --> 00:21:49,807 [Chris] Yes, and it was small. You walked through it. 407 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:52,009 - [Dave] Were you videotaping? - [Chris] Yes. 408 00:21:52,011 --> 00:21:54,211 [Chris on recording] Something's in the doorway, Dave. 409 00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:57,615 - [Dave on recording] What? - [Chris on recording] You just walked through it. 410 00:21:57,682 --> 00:22:00,885 [Chris] Oh, jeez, something just raced right across the room, 411 00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:02,620 a black shadow. 412 00:22:02,687 --> 00:22:04,288 While we're over by the stairs, 413 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:06,023 Dave, he says out to the spirit, 414 00:22:06,091 --> 00:22:08,626 he says something like, "Are you here?" 415 00:22:08,693 --> 00:22:10,127 [Dave] Miss Borden, are you here? 416 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:12,963 [banging from the radiator] 417 00:22:12,965 --> 00:22:14,298 [Dave] What was that? 418 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:15,766 Did you just hear the banging? 419 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:17,768 Yeah, it was just like, it would have been right here. 420 00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:18,936 Could it have been the radiator? 421 00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:22,940 That's like two knocks, bang, bang. 422 00:22:23,007 --> 00:22:24,942 Right? Two means yes. I know that. 423 00:22:24,944 --> 00:22:27,478 That's what I use for direct response method, 424 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,681 two for yes, one for no, but it was metallic. 425 00:22:30,749 --> 00:22:32,350 [Dave] None of us have heard that sound 426 00:22:32,417 --> 00:22:35,286 come from the radiator since we've been here. 427 00:22:35,353 --> 00:22:39,557 It's a possibility, but I... I can't say for certain. 428 00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:41,892 [Chris] That was actually creepy. 429 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,427 [Dave] All right, let's call it a night. 430 00:22:43,429 --> 00:22:45,229 We'll get up early, review the evidence, 431 00:22:45,296 --> 00:22:48,432 and see what we were able to uncover tonight. 432 00:22:48,434 --> 00:22:50,968 So, Chris, Luann, and I are spending 433 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:52,970 the remainder of the night here. 434 00:22:52,972 --> 00:22:56,841 Would you be open to the idea of spending one of the nights here with us? 435 00:22:56,908 --> 00:22:59,910 Yeah. Oh, my God, oh, I'd love to. 436 00:22:59,978 --> 00:23:00,945 Okay. 437 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:07,050 It was definitely an eventful night, 438 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:08,853 and I'm so happy that Chris was able 439 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,988 to join Luann and I for this investigation. 440 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:12,790 Something's going on here, 441 00:23:12,792 --> 00:23:16,660 and this being my full night back in the house to spend the night, 442 00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:20,197 I'd be lying if I didn't say, there was some apprehension, 443 00:23:21,266 --> 00:23:24,068 but I'm excited to see what happens. 444 00:23:24,135 --> 00:23:25,936 We'll check in again with you tomorrow. 445 00:23:26,004 --> 00:23:30,541 [spooky music playing] 446 00:23:36,014 --> 00:23:39,850 [Dave] Chris is busy analyzing the evidence from last night's investigation. 447 00:23:42,353 --> 00:23:44,488 So while he's doing that, I'm gonna have Luann 448 00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:46,023 take me around the house to review 449 00:23:46,025 --> 00:23:47,625 some of the EVPs that they captured. 450 00:23:50,495 --> 00:23:51,629 [Luann] How was your night? 451 00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:54,131 [Dave] I couldn't sleep well. 452 00:23:58,369 --> 00:24:05,375 Here is the spot where Abigail Borden was murdered. 453 00:24:05,377 --> 00:24:06,243 [Luann] Yes. 454 00:24:07,179 --> 00:24:08,712 Even walking in here is... 455 00:24:11,049 --> 00:24:12,516 hard. 456 00:24:12,518 --> 00:24:14,051 [slashing sound] 457 00:24:14,118 --> 00:24:17,054 [Dave] And you and Chris captured more EVP in this room? 458 00:24:17,056 --> 00:24:18,389 - [Luann] Yes. - [Dave] Okay. 459 00:24:18,456 --> 00:24:21,058 [Luann] A lot of EVP in this room. 460 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,527 [Chris on radio] I'll do a quick EVP here. 461 00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:25,196 [Dave on radio] Go ahead. 462 00:24:25,263 --> 00:24:28,032 [Luann on radio] Lizzie, do you have anything to tell us? 463 00:24:30,068 --> 00:24:32,670 Starting here, what did you guys capture in this room? 464 00:24:32,737 --> 00:24:33,571 [radio static crackling] 465 00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:43,213 [Dave] I mean, that's really creepy. 466 00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:44,681 You can hear that. 467 00:24:44,683 --> 00:24:46,950 And it's like she's calling out like she's crying. 468 00:24:46,952 --> 00:24:48,018 "I'm a good daughter." 469 00:24:48,086 --> 00:24:50,354 [Luann] Yes. 470 00:24:50,356 --> 00:24:54,758 [Dave] There were always rumors of unspeakable conduct coming from the Borden home. 471 00:24:56,761 --> 00:25:01,965 Allegations that Lizzie's father, Andrew Borden, may have abused her. 472 00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:07,438 If true, did years of abuse finally drive Lizzie to seek vengeance, 473 00:25:07,505 --> 00:25:11,241 and could that blood lust have spilled out on to her stepmother, Abby, 474 00:25:11,243 --> 00:25:14,244 who really did nothing to stop the abuse? 475 00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:17,047 In reality, Abby was Lizzie and Emma's stepmother, 476 00:25:17,115 --> 00:25:19,783 whom Lizzie referred to as Mrs. Borden, 477 00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:21,785 when she was questioned by the police. 478 00:25:23,655 --> 00:25:27,524 [Luann] That particular EVP, can reverse. 479 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:30,193 [Dave] So wait a minute. You've taken the audio and played it backwards? 480 00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:31,595 [Luann] Exactly. 481 00:25:31,663 --> 00:25:33,664 What did you capture or think you captured then? 482 00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:34,998 [Luann] Well, that's the thing, 483 00:25:35,033 --> 00:25:38,335 it sounds pretty much like the same voice, 484 00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:40,470 like a woman in distress. 485 00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:42,673 And it's clearer reversed. 486 00:25:42,675 --> 00:25:44,241 [radio interference] 487 00:25:51,016 --> 00:25:53,951 [Dave] If we're hearing Lizzie claiming 488 00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:57,488 or proclaiming her innocence in the first EVP, 489 00:25:57,555 --> 00:25:58,989 we play it back. 490 00:25:59,557 --> 00:26:00,991 "My daughter was raped." 491 00:26:02,761 --> 00:26:05,563 I mean, I hear it. I hear it [bleep] dead on. 492 00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:07,698 That's exactly what's playing to us right now. 493 00:26:07,765 --> 00:26:10,968 Abigail Borden was not Lizzie's mom. 494 00:26:11,035 --> 00:26:13,637 Abigail Borden was her stepmother. 495 00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:14,604 [Luann] Exactly. 496 00:26:14,606 --> 00:26:15,639 [Dave] Her actual mother 497 00:26:15,641 --> 00:26:17,141 died when Lizzie was very young. 498 00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:21,178 Could it be the spirit of her biological mother, 499 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:24,848 trying to give us some insight into what happened? 500 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:29,252 Lizzy seems to be verbalizing, vocalizing 501 00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:32,056 between the other side and here, trying to fill us in, 502 00:26:32,123 --> 00:26:35,592 trying to help us understand what's taken place here. 503 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:40,998 [Luann] Sometimes if you stand right in this location right here, 504 00:26:44,135 --> 00:26:46,537 they want to push you, push you in that... 505 00:26:46,604 --> 00:26:49,339 - [Dave] Are you okay? - [Luann] Yeah. 506 00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:53,810 This area right here is where you get really disoriented 507 00:26:53,812 --> 00:26:55,879 and you get that funhouse feeling. 508 00:26:55,881 --> 00:26:58,849 Yeah, I kind of don't feel so good all of a sudden. 509 00:27:00,218 --> 00:27:02,285 Just now, you weren't just re-enacting that for me. 510 00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:04,421 - No, no. - You feel like something's moving you. 511 00:27:04,489 --> 00:27:07,558 Something is moving Luann, pushing her, 512 00:27:07,625 --> 00:27:10,227 shoving or creating this disturbance 513 00:27:10,294 --> 00:27:12,763 so she can't feel equilibrium. 514 00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:14,798 There is so much going on. 515 00:27:15,566 --> 00:27:16,900 I don't even know where we begin 516 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:18,969 to start to discern who's who, and what's what, 517 00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:23,640 and we're still accepting the fact that these are human spirits. 518 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:27,110 The other side is wrought with confusion, 519 00:27:27,112 --> 00:27:33,316 and dark entities like to take on the presence of human forms. 520 00:27:33,318 --> 00:27:36,787 And that's what leads to... possession. 521 00:27:36,854 --> 00:27:40,123 That's what leads to demonic infestation. 522 00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:42,726 I don't know what we're dealing with here specifically, 523 00:27:42,728 --> 00:27:44,795 but I'm certainly gonna be a lot more careful 524 00:27:44,862 --> 00:27:48,265 as we continue to move through this investigation over the next couple of days. 525 00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:51,335 So I have something really scary that I want to play for you. 526 00:27:51,402 --> 00:27:58,042 And this, I think might be the negative presence in the house. 527 00:27:59,077 --> 00:28:01,178 [disembodied voice speaking on recording] 528 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:14,892 [Dave] Anvelo. What is that, a name? 529 00:28:16,294 --> 00:28:19,896 [narrator] Could this be the demonic presence in the house? 530 00:28:19,898 --> 00:28:23,967 The very thing causing the plague on the Borden family. 531 00:28:23,969 --> 00:28:26,436 There is definitely some kind of 532 00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:29,706 oppressive presence in this house, 533 00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,709 and it's starting to make me very uncomfortable. 534 00:28:34,178 --> 00:28:38,315 And who is it or what is it, that's really trying to come through? 535 00:28:38,382 --> 00:28:41,384 I have no idea where this is going. Part of me is excited, 536 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,687 and part of me is absolutely terrified. 537 00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:47,524 Hey, guys, Sam is back here with us, 538 00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:50,661 and we've had some weird experiences here. 539 00:28:50,728 --> 00:28:53,864 Um, Chris, 10 years ago, myself, 10 years ago, 540 00:28:53,931 --> 00:28:58,635 Ah, activity, sounds, screams, voices, EVPs. 541 00:28:58,702 --> 00:29:02,072 And we're trying to piece this together to understand 542 00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:03,874 what's going on in this area 543 00:29:03,876 --> 00:29:07,544 that it is so active with the supernatural. 544 00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:11,482 And why is it affecting the Borden family so deeply? 545 00:29:11,549 --> 00:29:16,419 Is there any truth to this Borden family curse in your opinion? 546 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,422 Well, if you look at our backstory, 547 00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:21,758 it's definitely a lot of blood, 548 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,129 and a lot of murders that happened through our history. 549 00:29:26,898 --> 00:29:30,901 Now there is one murder that was sensational, that happened in 1832, 550 00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:33,504 and it involves one of my distant cousins. 551 00:29:33,571 --> 00:29:36,573 Her name is Sarah Maria Cornell. 552 00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:39,176 [narrator] According to Sam, a Methodist minister, 553 00:29:39,178 --> 00:29:42,245 Reverend Ephram Avery was strongly suspected 554 00:29:42,247 --> 00:29:45,649 of both the rape and murder of Sarah Cornell, 555 00:29:45,716 --> 00:29:49,853 and was rumored to be the father of her unborn child. 556 00:29:49,921 --> 00:29:53,423 She was found hanging from a stag pole at a nearby farm. 557 00:29:55,059 --> 00:29:57,794 Bruises were later discovered around her abdomen, 558 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:01,732 suggesting an abortion may have been attempted. 559 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,001 Sarah's murder was considered the crime of the century 560 00:30:05,003 --> 00:30:08,271 until the Borden murders came about some 60 years later. 561 00:30:08,273 --> 00:30:09,873 He was actually tried and acquitted, 562 00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,675 very much like Lizzie Borden was acquitted 563 00:30:11,677 --> 00:30:13,744 for the murders of the Borden family. 564 00:30:13,811 --> 00:30:17,881 [narrator] Could this be evidence of a demonic force in the Borden family? 565 00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:20,818 The devil? Like, that's terrifying to me. 566 00:30:20,885 --> 00:30:22,753 [Dave] All right, Sam. Now going back to Lizzie, 567 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:28,225 do you believe that Lizzie Borden wielded the hatchet or ax, 568 00:30:28,227 --> 00:30:33,630 or that something else was using her as a vessel for that murder? 569 00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:36,633 [Sam] I absolutely think there was something more sinister at play. 570 00:30:36,701 --> 00:30:40,036 She may have had sort of a dissociative episode 571 00:30:40,038 --> 00:30:43,173 where she basically was not in her body when it happened. 572 00:30:43,241 --> 00:30:45,042 I do think she did do it. 573 00:30:45,109 --> 00:30:48,679 However, I don't think that she was in control of her body. 574 00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:52,916 I do think that Lizzie is definitely predisposed 575 00:30:52,918 --> 00:30:55,919 to being taken over by a dark entity. 576 00:30:59,056 --> 00:31:02,392 She does not take ownership for the murders. 577 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:05,362 I don't think she will ever take ownership for the murders. 578 00:31:10,668 --> 00:31:14,471 If she was possessed and killed her father, 579 00:31:14,538 --> 00:31:17,674 she didn't kill her father, the devil did. 580 00:31:19,143 --> 00:31:20,810 [Sam] Do I think she committed the murders? 581 00:31:20,812 --> 00:31:24,815 I do physically, but something else did it. 582 00:31:30,154 --> 00:31:34,157 No one would have accused this small-framed woman, 583 00:31:34,225 --> 00:31:37,794 who was 32 years old, of killing her father and her stepmother. 584 00:31:39,364 --> 00:31:43,767 That was the perfect person to take over, and the entity knew that. 585 00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:46,770 [Dave] Now let's discuss Lizzie 586 00:31:46,772 --> 00:31:49,973 and her sister Emma's uncle, John Morse. 587 00:31:53,044 --> 00:31:55,045 If there is something to the rumors 588 00:31:55,112 --> 00:31:57,247 that Morse dabbled in the occult, 589 00:31:57,249 --> 00:31:59,449 what if Lizzie practiced with him 590 00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:01,852 and something took her over then? 591 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:03,853 And it would explain too that during possession, 592 00:32:03,855 --> 00:32:08,191 how people get much more strength, they're empowered. 593 00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:12,229 And that would explain some of the violent brutality that took place. 594 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:15,265 What other strange ties to deaths 595 00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,534 and murder and mayhem do you have? 596 00:32:17,536 --> 00:32:19,670 There was Eliza. 597 00:32:22,206 --> 00:32:24,341 Eliza Darlene, she was a Borden. 598 00:32:24,343 --> 00:32:26,009 She actually married into the Borden family, 599 00:32:26,077 --> 00:32:30,146 was not blood related to Lizzie Borden, but her husband was. 600 00:32:30,148 --> 00:32:31,348 Where'd Eliza live? 601 00:32:31,415 --> 00:32:32,716 Right next door. 602 00:32:35,219 --> 00:32:39,890 [baby crying] 603 00:32:39,957 --> 00:32:43,560 [Sam] One fateful day she actually took her two children, 604 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,295 threw them down a well. 605 00:32:45,363 --> 00:32:46,730 [baby crying] 606 00:32:48,733 --> 00:32:51,802 [eerie voice whispering] 607 00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:14,791 [Dave] Well, then the question we need to ask, 608 00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:18,962 is was Eliza possessed by a demonic force when she did it? 609 00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:31,074 [Sam] And then she took a straight razor and cut her neck. 610 00:33:37,748 --> 00:33:39,349 And Dave, I'm telling you, I'm channeling. 611 00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:41,084 I'm, like, picking up something right now, 612 00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:44,688 and I'm not really sure who it is, and maybe it's Eliza. 613 00:33:44,755 --> 00:33:47,757 This seat is like the worst seat for me to do this, guys. I'm sorry. 614 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,092 Do you need to stand up? 615 00:33:49,094 --> 00:33:50,827 I just don't, yeah, no, 616 00:33:50,829 --> 00:33:52,562 this is like a really bad seat for me. 617 00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:54,097 You've got a clairvoyant sitting in the spot 618 00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:55,499 where Andrew Borden is brutally murdered. 619 00:33:55,566 --> 00:33:56,966 I can understand that. 620 00:33:56,968 --> 00:33:58,902 It's like, I'm a clairvoyant, I'm a psychometrist, 621 00:33:58,904 --> 00:34:01,772 so I pick up on the energy. So I'm definitely feeling energy right now. 622 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:03,974 - [Dave] Let me grab my recorder. - Okay. 623 00:34:04,041 --> 00:34:07,144 While you're talking, even if she's not fully channeling, if we can get anything. 624 00:34:08,245 --> 00:34:09,646 No, don't apologize, man. 625 00:34:09,713 --> 00:34:11,181 [Sam] No, no, no, no, this is what we do. 626 00:34:11,248 --> 00:34:14,117 We're beginning session number one in the front parlor 627 00:34:14,185 --> 00:34:16,453 at the site of Andrew Borden's murder. 628 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,989 Sam Baltrusis, you're feeling something come through you. 629 00:34:19,991 --> 00:34:21,391 What are you feeling, Sam? 630 00:34:23,527 --> 00:34:29,265 [Sam] I'm seeing a woman, and she's got beautiful hair. She's brushing her hair. 631 00:34:29,267 --> 00:34:31,935 She loves her children, she loves her children so much. 632 00:34:33,671 --> 00:34:35,105 [Dave] Eliza, is this you? 633 00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:38,942 What do you want us to know? 634 00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:40,477 What can we do to help you? 635 00:34:41,212 --> 00:34:43,680 Help my children. 636 00:34:43,682 --> 00:34:46,116 [Dave] Are your children with you on the other side, Eliza? 637 00:34:46,617 --> 00:34:48,351 They're here. 638 00:34:48,353 --> 00:34:51,888 And, Eliza, what can we do to help your children? 639 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:53,523 What would you like from us? 640 00:34:55,026 --> 00:34:57,828 Keep them away from them. 641 00:35:00,831 --> 00:35:03,366 Keep them away from him. 642 00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:04,501 [Dave] From who, Eliza? 643 00:35:04,568 --> 00:35:05,669 [Sam sobs] 644 00:35:12,743 --> 00:35:14,811 [Dave] Are there other energies here 645 00:35:14,879 --> 00:35:17,481 that are tormenting your children, Eliza? 646 00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:19,215 [Sam sobbing] Yes, yes. 647 00:35:19,217 --> 00:35:22,085 [Dave] Yes? Are they tormenting you as well? 648 00:35:22,087 --> 00:35:25,222 Yes, yes, they won't let me come here. 649 00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:28,024 [Dave] Are you in danger by coming here to talk to us about this? 650 00:35:28,092 --> 00:35:32,362 [Sam sobbing] Yes, yes, they will kill my children, kill my children. 651 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:35,232 [Dave] But who are they? 652 00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:37,300 Is she referring to the dark forces 653 00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:39,402 that could be behind the family curse? 654 00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:44,040 [narrator] Did a dark force make her kill her children? 655 00:35:46,911 --> 00:35:51,247 And worse, does it continue to haunt Eliza and her children 656 00:35:51,249 --> 00:35:52,716 even in the afterlife? 657 00:35:54,785 --> 00:35:56,386 Chris Fleming took me aside afterwards 658 00:35:56,453 --> 00:35:58,988 and said, Sam Baltrusis, he's the real deal. 659 00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,457 Things I was picking up on, 660 00:36:00,524 --> 00:36:02,926 he would immediately start to address and talk about, 661 00:36:02,993 --> 00:36:05,261 I know he knew what was going on here. 662 00:36:05,263 --> 00:36:07,397 These spirits are communicating through him, 663 00:36:07,464 --> 00:36:08,932 the Borden bloodline. 664 00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:10,867 They went to Sam Baltrusis. 665 00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:12,035 Wow. 666 00:36:14,138 --> 00:36:18,875 Now, do you feel residual energy of Eliza with you? 667 00:36:20,077 --> 00:36:21,745 [Sam] It was definitely about her children. 668 00:36:21,812 --> 00:36:26,950 And I definitely felt her pain and she's, she's desperate. 669 00:36:26,952 --> 00:36:28,818 It's like you go into another world. 670 00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:32,255 You can actually see it through her eyes, while you're in that state. 671 00:36:33,424 --> 00:36:35,959 [Dave] So the idea that she killed her children, 672 00:36:36,026 --> 00:36:38,494 it's not on her conscience? 673 00:36:38,496 --> 00:36:41,431 Maybe she really is desperate to help those children. 674 00:36:41,433 --> 00:36:43,900 She's desperate to help them because she believes 675 00:36:43,902 --> 00:36:48,238 the dark entity from the curse is tormenting her and them, 676 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,306 even in the afterlife. 677 00:36:50,308 --> 00:36:54,043 [Chris] When you were saying that they don't protect the children, 678 00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,311 that there's something else, 679 00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:57,881 what was it that she was afraid of? 680 00:36:58,849 --> 00:37:00,150 [Sam] It was a monster. 681 00:37:00,184 --> 00:37:02,519 That's the only way she could describe it. 682 00:37:02,586 --> 00:37:07,323 I think that, that people misconstrue that entity as Andrew Borden, 683 00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:08,658 and I don't think it's Andrew Borden. 684 00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:09,792 [Chris] No, it's not. 685 00:37:09,794 --> 00:37:10,694 I think it's something else. 686 00:37:18,068 --> 00:37:22,138 [Dave] Anvelo has been this name that keeps coming up, 687 00:37:22,206 --> 00:37:24,841 something very dark and demonic in nature. 688 00:37:26,143 --> 00:37:27,143 But it's hiding. 689 00:37:28,546 --> 00:37:30,880 Is it hiding because we're here looking for it? 690 00:37:30,882 --> 00:37:34,884 Because it knows we're gonna challenge its authority in this house? 691 00:37:34,886 --> 00:37:36,686 And after what happened to Sam Baltrusis, 692 00:37:36,688 --> 00:37:39,089 channeling, something coming through him, 693 00:37:39,156 --> 00:37:42,959 claiming to be Eliza, talking about her two children 694 00:37:43,027 --> 00:37:47,297 being bullied or oppressed by something dark, 695 00:37:47,364 --> 00:37:48,365 was that Anvelo? 696 00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:55,372 [Chris] Guys I gotta walk out, I'm having a hard time breathing. I gotta, I can't. 697 00:37:58,175 --> 00:38:00,010 [exhales] I gotta get some air. 698 00:38:01,979 --> 00:38:04,748 [Dave] Yeah, this is getting really intense. 699 00:38:11,522 --> 00:38:15,458 [exhales] Oh, my God, I can't breathe. I have a hard time breathing. 700 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:16,726 It's like, I'm being choked. 701 00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:18,528 Like oxygen's coming out of me. 702 00:38:18,595 --> 00:38:20,664 It was like the whole bunch of people are on top of you. 703 00:38:20,731 --> 00:38:22,532 If you've ever had that happen, 704 00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:24,667 like you play games when you were kids and everybody's on top of you, 705 00:38:24,669 --> 00:38:27,070 you can't breathe, can't breathe, that type of thing. 706 00:38:27,137 --> 00:38:28,805 There was a restriction of airflow. 707 00:38:28,872 --> 00:38:30,940 I had to walk out. I couldn't take it anymore. 708 00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:32,442 I was fighting it while I was in there. 709 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,814 [Dave] Okay, we're, we're obviously seeing evidence 710 00:38:37,881 --> 00:38:40,417 that there is some sort of malevolent presence 711 00:38:40,484 --> 00:38:42,285 here at the Borden house. 712 00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:43,887 But you know who we haven't heard from yet 713 00:38:43,954 --> 00:38:48,024 is one of the main suspects in these murders, John Morse. 714 00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:55,098 Now John Morse was Lizzie's uncle. 715 00:38:58,502 --> 00:39:01,904 He had visited Andrew Borden the day of the murders. 716 00:39:01,906 --> 00:39:05,809 And when it comes to motive, the guy had plenty. 717 00:39:08,379 --> 00:39:10,780 He and Mister Borden were reportedly overheard 718 00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:15,085 having a heated argument over money right before the murders. 719 00:39:16,921 --> 00:39:20,590 Plus, there's the matter of what he did for a living. 720 00:39:20,657 --> 00:39:22,058 [Luann] He was a butcher, 721 00:39:22,126 --> 00:39:24,928 and a butcher did also carry something 722 00:39:24,995 --> 00:39:28,264 very similar to an ax. 723 00:39:28,332 --> 00:39:31,534 [Dave] Well, let's not forget the rumors that he dabbled in the occult. 724 00:39:31,602 --> 00:39:35,271 What if he unknowingly brought something into the Borden home? 725 00:39:36,206 --> 00:39:38,274 Sam, is there another place we can go 726 00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:41,744 to try to actually connect with John Morse? 727 00:39:41,746 --> 00:39:45,014 Well, you know, there's a place in the Freetown State Forest, 728 00:39:45,016 --> 00:39:48,284 actually where John Morse lived. 729 00:39:48,352 --> 00:39:50,220 The house is no longer there, 730 00:39:50,287 --> 00:39:52,822 but that would be the place to go. 731 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:54,557 [Dave] Now that we've all had a moment to breathe 732 00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:56,159 and think about the dark force, 733 00:39:56,161 --> 00:39:58,762 we need to figure out where it came from. 734 00:40:05,102 --> 00:40:07,570 [Dave] The idea of a curse on this family 735 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,842 does it exist as though somebody specifically cursed 736 00:40:12,844 --> 00:40:16,245 the bloodline of the Bordens? 737 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:19,515 Do you believe that it's a genetic passed down curse? 738 00:40:19,517 --> 00:40:22,919 If you look at John Morse's backstory, 739 00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,656 the way he was acting was very odd the night of the murder. 740 00:40:26,723 --> 00:40:29,125 He normally actually sleeps on the third floor, 741 00:40:29,127 --> 00:40:30,793 the night before he actually stayed 742 00:40:30,795 --> 00:40:33,596 in the John Morse room on the second floor, 743 00:40:33,598 --> 00:40:35,732 where Abby was murdered. 744 00:40:35,799 --> 00:40:38,935 Almost like he was taken over by something as well. 745 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,472 And there are allegations of witchcraft in his and Lizzie's bloodline. 746 00:40:42,539 --> 00:40:46,075 I wouldn't be surprised if whatever he attracted 747 00:40:46,143 --> 00:40:49,479 where he lived somehow it followed him to the Borden house. 748 00:40:49,513 --> 00:40:52,916 Let's see if we can get some answers tonight at the forest. 749 00:40:59,757 --> 00:41:01,024 [Dave] So we're all sure about this? 750 00:41:01,091 --> 00:41:02,559 - [Chris] Yeah, I want to do this. - Let's do it. 751 00:41:02,626 --> 00:41:04,093 [Dave] Stay together, guys. 752 00:41:12,169 --> 00:41:15,371 This is the exact spot where John Morse lived. 753 00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:21,377 If he's guilty of these murders or if he's eternally cursed, 754 00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:25,648 it's quite possible his spirit is still here today. 755 00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:28,351 [Chris] We are not alone. 756 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:36,959 [Dave] All right, now everybody stay alert. 757 00:41:36,961 --> 00:41:40,163 [narrator] If John Morse was cursed by the Borden family demon, 758 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:43,833 he might be the actual killer of Andrew and Abby Borden, 759 00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:46,235 pinning it all on Lizzie. 760 00:41:46,237 --> 00:41:47,971 [Dave] Who knows what we're gonna find out here? 761 00:41:48,972 --> 00:41:50,507 [Chris] We are not alone. 762 00:41:53,978 --> 00:41:56,646 I'm hearing like whispering, it sounds like little children, 763 00:41:56,713 --> 00:41:58,581 but it's static sounding. 764 00:41:58,583 --> 00:42:00,116 [Sam] There's definitely whispering going on. 765 00:42:00,183 --> 00:42:01,918 I'm getting chanting of some sorts. 766 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,853 [Dave] You're picking up on chanting out here? 767 00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:05,522 Yeah. We're not alone. 768 00:42:07,925 --> 00:42:10,393 [Dave] This is where Lizzie's uncle's house once stood. 769 00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:12,261 And if the rumors are true, guys, 770 00:42:12,263 --> 00:42:15,532 this is where he would have engaged in these occult practices. 771 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,534 I'm getting stuff flying around real quickly, around us. 772 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:21,971 I got a little disoriented from the change in the field over here. 773 00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:24,240 You ask a question. 774 00:42:25,542 --> 00:42:28,211 [Dave] John Morse, are you here with us? 775 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:35,685 Did you kill Andrew and Abby Borden? 776 00:42:35,753 --> 00:42:36,853 - [ax slash] - [scream] 777 00:42:37,554 --> 00:42:38,588 [thuds] 778 00:42:40,758 --> 00:42:41,991 [Chris] Let me play this back. 779 00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,228 [radio interference] 780 00:42:45,295 --> 00:42:46,329 Something, here, listen. 781 00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:50,466 "Satan loves you?" 782 00:42:52,036 --> 00:42:53,570 [Sam] It says, "Satan loves you." 783 00:43:00,511 --> 00:43:03,179 Why, why would it say that though? 784 00:43:03,246 --> 00:43:05,781 If you're already picking up on the same 785 00:43:05,783 --> 00:43:08,718 environmental field that we have at the Borden house, 786 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,622 is it following us, or are we just out in its nature? 787 00:43:12,656 --> 00:43:16,392 Obviously something out here is trying to get into our heads early. 788 00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:20,964 It's protecting its property. We've come into their area. 789 00:43:22,132 --> 00:43:25,201 Or there was a lot of ritual that happened out here. 790 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:27,537 And that's what I'm picking up on. 791 00:43:27,604 --> 00:43:28,938 I'm picking on some sort of ritual, 792 00:43:29,006 --> 00:43:30,707 Maybe there's something that has been opened up. 793 00:43:31,608 --> 00:43:33,142 [rustling] 794 00:43:33,144 --> 00:43:34,477 [Sam] Did you hear that? 795 00:43:41,151 --> 00:43:42,218 [Dave] Sounds like something 796 00:43:42,285 --> 00:43:43,419 just walking around our perimeter. 797 00:43:43,487 --> 00:43:44,420 Do you keep hearing that? 798 00:43:44,488 --> 00:43:45,622 We're being circled, 799 00:43:45,689 --> 00:43:46,923 there's something is circling around us. 800 00:43:48,492 --> 00:43:52,094 [Chris] All right, let me I'll film with SLS. See if we get it. 801 00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:55,732 [Dave] Now, Chris is again utilizing a tool called the SLS camera. 802 00:43:55,766 --> 00:44:00,903 It's seeking human form, and what we find in some haunted locations, 803 00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:06,242 when someone is not visibly there, it will map in a figure, 804 00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:07,977 and not just an outline of the figure, 805 00:44:07,979 --> 00:44:11,614 but sometimes it will move and correspond to what we're asking. 806 00:44:12,449 --> 00:44:14,584 And when it says "Anomaly detected", 807 00:44:14,651 --> 00:44:17,386 it's picking up on some sort of human form. 808 00:44:17,388 --> 00:44:21,257 [Sam] I hate to say it, but I'm picking up stuff that may be dark, 809 00:44:21,324 --> 00:44:22,892 something was conjured here. 810 00:44:23,327 --> 00:44:24,794 [faint whisper] 811 00:44:24,796 --> 00:44:27,196 [Luann] Did you hear something just whisper right here? 812 00:44:27,264 --> 00:44:28,998 [Chris] Yeah. I've been getting voices. 813 00:44:29,066 --> 00:44:31,801 [Luann] I keep hearing like whispers. 814 00:44:31,803 --> 00:44:34,470 [Sam] There's definitely something out here with us. 815 00:44:34,538 --> 00:44:37,407 I'm not sure if it's something related to John Morse, 816 00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:40,676 or the dark energy conjured from the family curse. 817 00:44:40,678 --> 00:44:43,546 Whatever it is, it wants us to break apart 818 00:44:43,548 --> 00:44:45,548 and to follow whatever it is in the woods. 819 00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:48,751 And it's kind of using, you know, 820 00:44:48,819 --> 00:44:50,486 I didn't feel uncomfortable at first 821 00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:52,488 when I first walked here, but now I do. 822 00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:55,692 Something is very dark and menacing, lurking in the woods. 823 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,028 So I have my dousing rod. 824 00:44:59,096 --> 00:45:02,231 I'm actually, my hand is going numb. 825 00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:05,835 Something's very, very, very, very powerful here, 826 00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:09,172 and it's holding my hand. Can you show me where you are? 827 00:45:11,175 --> 00:45:12,241 Right over here. 828 00:45:13,444 --> 00:45:14,977 And that's where I was seeing something walking 829 00:45:15,045 --> 00:45:17,913 and kind of like circling us over here. 830 00:45:17,915 --> 00:45:19,849 [Chris] Sam, why don't you go over there? 831 00:45:19,916 --> 00:45:21,250 [Sam] Okay. 832 00:45:21,252 --> 00:45:24,720 Now Sam's picked up on his dowsing rods 833 00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:27,557 that the energy is drawing him in that direction. 834 00:45:29,927 --> 00:45:31,728 [Sam] So, Dave, it just said, "Here," 835 00:45:31,795 --> 00:45:36,999 and it came from above me, and it sounded very wicked. 836 00:45:37,067 --> 00:45:39,068 It sounded like, [imitates hoarse voice] "Here". 837 00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:42,739 Uh, so it was very gravelly and kind of scary. 838 00:45:42,806 --> 00:45:45,541 I feel like I'm being used as human bait right now, 839 00:45:45,609 --> 00:45:47,743 but I, but I think this is important to communicate 840 00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:49,512 with whatever's lurking in the woods. 841 00:45:51,815 --> 00:45:52,782 [Sam] Oh, my God. 842 00:45:56,019 --> 00:45:59,388 It grabbed my arm, while I was pushing out, It grabbed my arm. 843 00:46:00,891 --> 00:46:02,125 Oh, my God. 844 00:46:03,693 --> 00:46:06,796 All right stop, everybody just stop for a second. Hold on. 845 00:46:08,499 --> 00:46:11,701 Direct ahead of you, right directly in front of you, Chris, 846 00:46:11,768 --> 00:46:13,503 I see two glowing eyes. 847 00:46:14,171 --> 00:46:15,438 [Chris] Oh, my God. 848 00:46:15,505 --> 00:46:17,239 [Dave] I've got them on the camera right now. 849 00:46:17,241 --> 00:46:19,275 I mean, they're there, there's something there between you two. 850 00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:23,179 [Chris] That's too far for this SLS to map. 851 00:46:23,181 --> 00:46:26,449 [Dave] It looks like it's maybe 10 to 20 yards tops. 852 00:46:28,718 --> 00:46:29,919 Now they're gone. 853 00:46:36,994 --> 00:46:39,929 [Chris] Okay, we're gonna try something here. 854 00:46:39,931 --> 00:46:41,731 Hey, you guys come around, let's let's make a triangle. 855 00:46:41,798 --> 00:46:43,599 All right, guys, what we're going to do here 856 00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:47,336 for a couple of minutes, is DRVP. 857 00:46:47,338 --> 00:46:48,804 I'm gonna use the spirit box. 858 00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:50,406 I got a little bit of an amplifier here 859 00:46:50,408 --> 00:46:52,741 going into an orbit speaker, all right? 860 00:46:52,743 --> 00:46:57,914 What I want to do is have some direct voice phenomenon using the radio. 861 00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:01,551 [radio interference] 862 00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:05,321 [Chris] Spirits, I know you can hear us. 863 00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:08,424 Are you mad that we're here? 864 00:47:12,763 --> 00:47:13,896 Leave. 865 00:47:16,033 --> 00:47:17,633 - [Sam] I'm sorry. - [Luann] I'm sorry? 866 00:47:17,701 --> 00:47:19,368 [Sam] Yeah. I'm sorry. 867 00:47:20,971 --> 00:47:23,906 [Sam] John Morse, is our family cursed? 868 00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:28,678 What's hovering above me right now? 869 00:47:32,382 --> 00:47:33,249 Satan? 870 00:47:38,722 --> 00:47:41,057 [Dave] All right, let's do an EVP session right here. 871 00:47:42,592 --> 00:47:44,727 We can hear you moving around us. 872 00:47:46,129 --> 00:47:49,866 We come in respect, we're simply seeking answers and truth. 873 00:47:51,935 --> 00:47:55,972 [Sam] John Morse, are you the one that's circling us right now? 874 00:47:57,407 --> 00:48:00,309 Is it true that you dabbled in occult practices? 875 00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:04,380 Are you angry that we're in your territory? 876 00:48:08,752 --> 00:48:10,085 [loud bang] 877 00:48:10,087 --> 00:48:11,954 - Holy crap! - [Chris] Was that like a drum sound? Yeah. 878 00:48:11,956 --> 00:48:13,889 [Luann] What the hell was that? 879 00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:16,959 Something just went running right by my feet. 880 00:48:17,027 --> 00:48:18,628 [Chris] And then I heard the drum sound. 881 00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:20,429 [Luann] It went in there, 882 00:48:20,431 --> 00:48:23,032 like through the trees right across the ground. 883 00:48:24,501 --> 00:48:25,968 [Chris] All right, play it back. 884 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,440 Get out, listen to this, get out, listen. 885 00:48:38,715 --> 00:48:39,849 - Right there, "Get out." - "Get out". 886 00:48:39,916 --> 00:48:41,717 It was an evil voice. Let me play this for you. 887 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,390 [unintelligible sounds on recording] 888 00:48:51,127 --> 00:48:52,628 [Chris] "Get out", right there. 889 00:48:55,131 --> 00:48:56,799 [Dave] Well, we definitely made contact 890 00:48:56,866 --> 00:48:59,201 with an evil energy out here tonight, 891 00:48:59,269 --> 00:49:02,939 but was it that same demonic force that Sam believes 892 00:49:03,006 --> 00:49:06,608 has plagued the Borden family for centuries? 893 00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,012 Whatever it was, it had a message for us loud and clear. 894 00:49:11,281 --> 00:49:12,481 Get out. 895 00:49:13,683 --> 00:49:16,152 And it makes our next step in this investigation 896 00:49:16,219 --> 00:49:17,987 even that much more treacherous. 897 00:49:19,356 --> 00:49:21,524 It's time we sit down for the seance. 898 00:49:33,036 --> 00:49:34,770 I wanted to talk about a couple of things 899 00:49:34,772 --> 00:49:36,706 before we even consider doing the seance, 900 00:49:36,773 --> 00:49:39,642 because we all know how dangerous this can be. 901 00:49:39,709 --> 00:49:43,779 Our mission has to be to find evidence of the Borden family curse 902 00:49:43,847 --> 00:49:46,849 to hopefully detect this presence of dark energy 903 00:49:46,851 --> 00:49:48,851 that's followed the family ever since. 904 00:49:48,853 --> 00:49:52,855 In the woods, we encountered a presence calling itself Satan. 905 00:49:56,526 --> 00:49:59,662 Here in the house, we encountered the demonic presence. 906 00:50:02,265 --> 00:50:03,999 - What the... - [bleep] 907 00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:06,068 Something reaches out from underneath the bed? 908 00:50:06,070 --> 00:50:07,336 Yes. 909 00:50:07,403 --> 00:50:10,172 [Dave] Including the demon attached to Eliza. 910 00:50:10,174 --> 00:50:12,574 Keep them away from them. 911 00:50:12,576 --> 00:50:14,810 [Dave] From who, Eliza? 912 00:50:17,114 --> 00:50:19,648 One of the most concerning pieces of evidence to me 913 00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:22,851 is one of the EVPs that Chris and Luann captured 914 00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:25,254 in her first overnight investigation. 915 00:50:25,321 --> 00:50:27,656 She plays one for me that 916 00:50:27,724 --> 00:50:31,060 really kind of seems very weird and mysterious, right? 917 00:50:31,127 --> 00:50:35,330 She plays this, and I believe the question you asked was "who's here?" 918 00:50:35,332 --> 00:50:37,133 And she gets a response. 919 00:50:41,671 --> 00:50:45,541 So this word has been kind of a puzzle for us. 920 00:50:45,608 --> 00:50:48,343 We can't find any translation that seems to make sense. 921 00:50:48,345 --> 00:50:51,146 It's not a name that's associated with this home. 922 00:50:51,148 --> 00:50:52,681 And immediately what comes to mind 923 00:50:52,683 --> 00:50:54,216 when you hear a name like that? 924 00:50:54,284 --> 00:50:56,819 I automatically thought demon when I first heard that, 925 00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:59,621 or something that was not human. 926 00:50:59,623 --> 00:51:02,224 But we know demons don't give up their names, 927 00:51:02,226 --> 00:51:04,727 because when they do, they can be extracted. 928 00:51:05,428 --> 00:51:06,896 So it's something... 929 00:51:06,963 --> 00:51:09,432 you mentioned that you wondered if it was an anagram, 930 00:51:09,499 --> 00:51:11,233 or if it was a game that this thing was playing, 931 00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:13,969 that there was multiple meanings. 932 00:51:13,971 --> 00:51:17,106 So today I started to try to break down this concept, 933 00:51:17,173 --> 00:51:18,340 and where are we? 934 00:51:19,042 --> 00:51:21,376 Who walked this land? 935 00:51:21,378 --> 00:51:23,378 And could this be the dark energy 936 00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:26,582 that's plagued Lizzie's family for generations? 937 00:51:26,584 --> 00:51:29,184 I did a little bit more digging and research. 938 00:51:29,186 --> 00:51:31,720 I contacted some locals in the area. 939 00:51:31,722 --> 00:51:35,057 We know that the Wampanoag indigenous people were settled in this area. 940 00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:36,592 I wanted to see if there was somebody 941 00:51:36,594 --> 00:51:38,727 that could explain the word to me. 942 00:51:38,729 --> 00:51:40,129 And I reached out to a friend of mine 943 00:51:40,196 --> 00:51:42,198 from the Native American community. 944 00:51:42,265 --> 00:51:43,799 She was a little stumped, 945 00:51:43,801 --> 00:51:47,470 but she dug through and found an Algonquin word. 946 00:51:47,537 --> 00:51:49,872 And there's a loose derivation of this word, 947 00:51:49,939 --> 00:51:53,342 which means, "he died," ankelo. 948 00:51:53,344 --> 00:51:54,676 - [Luann] You're kidding. - [Dave] So, 949 00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:56,478 [Dave] there's one version which makes sense. 950 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,948 In this home that we're in, where a man was brutally murdered, 951 00:51:59,015 --> 00:52:01,417 a woman brutally murdered, we get, he died. 952 00:52:01,484 --> 00:52:03,285 Then the bombshell hits. 953 00:52:03,353 --> 00:52:05,554 Another friend of mine comes to me and says, 954 00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:07,289 this is Italian. 955 00:52:07,291 --> 00:52:10,092 And what it's telling you is, "The veil." 956 00:52:10,094 --> 00:52:12,961 So it's giving answers in multiple tongues, 957 00:52:12,963 --> 00:52:16,365 which again seems demonic in nature. 958 00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:19,702 And without explaining to him what I was asking for, 959 00:52:19,769 --> 00:52:23,405 he goes on to describe, as in a wolf in sheep's clothes. 960 00:52:25,909 --> 00:52:29,712 I was upstairs and the thing was coming through, 961 00:52:29,779 --> 00:52:31,246 and I was connecting with it, 962 00:52:31,248 --> 00:52:33,849 and I felt the anger and then it called me something. 963 00:52:33,917 --> 00:52:36,552 So this thing is taking the face of many names. 964 00:52:38,054 --> 00:52:40,556 Oh, it's pissed now. It's [bleep] pissed. 965 00:52:43,126 --> 00:52:45,060 It just called me a bastard. 966 00:52:45,062 --> 00:52:47,262 And I told the producer, I said write this down. 967 00:52:47,264 --> 00:52:48,730 I want that piece of paper 968 00:52:48,732 --> 00:52:50,732 in the middle of the table on the seance. 969 00:52:50,734 --> 00:52:52,601 This thing has many faces. 970 00:52:52,669 --> 00:52:55,971 And that's how it stays hidden, is it tricks people. 971 00:52:57,807 --> 00:53:00,876 [Dave] So, could Anvelo be the dark energy 972 00:53:00,878 --> 00:53:03,478 conjured by the Borden family curse? 973 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,616 Maybe it's all derivations of the exact same thing. 974 00:53:07,618 --> 00:53:10,085 That's what this word seems to be, 975 00:53:10,153 --> 00:53:13,555 something that can plug in and fit perfectly like a game 976 00:53:13,557 --> 00:53:15,291 this thing is playing with us. 977 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,795 I don't question that there aren't fragments... 978 00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:23,165 of each one of the people 979 00:53:23,167 --> 00:53:25,634 that have passed through this house 980 00:53:25,702 --> 00:53:29,371 in the final moments of their life in panic and in shock, 981 00:53:29,373 --> 00:53:31,173 as they're being brutally murdered. 982 00:53:33,509 --> 00:53:37,046 That had to fracture, that had to leave a psychic scar. 983 00:53:39,315 --> 00:53:42,918 Lizzie's name has been evoked so many times. 984 00:53:42,986 --> 00:53:47,656 How could a fragment of who she is not be a part of this house? 985 00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:50,793 This is a feeding ground for dark energy, 986 00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:52,861 because everybody comes here 987 00:53:52,863 --> 00:53:55,197 anticipating the allure of being in a house 988 00:53:55,265 --> 00:53:56,999 where brutal murders took place. 989 00:53:57,001 --> 00:53:58,467 Some revel in it. 990 00:53:58,534 --> 00:54:00,269 Some worship it. 991 00:54:00,271 --> 00:54:06,342 And it's created a cathedral of chaos in one place. 992 00:54:06,409 --> 00:54:08,944 So as we decide, if we even want to move forward with the seance, 993 00:54:08,946 --> 00:54:13,015 we all have to consider the very real possibility that this dark force, 994 00:54:13,082 --> 00:54:14,483 it may come through, 995 00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:16,551 that the demon from the Borden curse 996 00:54:16,553 --> 00:54:18,954 may come after each one of us, personally. 997 00:54:18,956 --> 00:54:21,890 I want to bring something up with Chris's permission. 998 00:54:21,892 --> 00:54:22,758 [Chris] Mm-hmm. 999 00:54:24,227 --> 00:54:26,628 When you came to visit with us yesterday, Sam. 1000 00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:27,696 Yeah? 1001 00:54:27,698 --> 00:54:29,498 You were sitting on the couch, 1002 00:54:29,565 --> 00:54:32,901 we were talking, Chris started to become very physically agitated, 1003 00:54:32,969 --> 00:54:34,436 and in pain. 1004 00:54:34,438 --> 00:54:37,439 He had to leave the house to collect himself. 1005 00:54:37,441 --> 00:54:40,776 And you told us, there's someone here. 1006 00:54:40,778 --> 00:54:43,312 I feel it's like a father force, a father figure, 1007 00:54:43,379 --> 00:54:45,381 his dad, Reggie, 1008 00:54:45,448 --> 00:54:48,450 and then you paused and you said, "And there's somebody else". 1009 00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:52,054 "There's a health issue involved, and that's why he's here". 1010 00:54:52,121 --> 00:54:53,322 Yeah. 1011 00:54:53,389 --> 00:54:56,058 And Chris received a message today. 1012 00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:58,260 Would you share with the team what's going on? 1013 00:54:58,262 --> 00:55:00,262 [sighs] Yeah. 1014 00:55:00,330 --> 00:55:02,597 I just got a call that my mom collapsed, 1015 00:55:02,632 --> 00:55:05,734 and she was unconscious, 1016 00:55:05,736 --> 00:55:09,104 and I'm waiting to hear back, what's the condition. 1017 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:11,807 Then it hits me, going, "My God, 1018 00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:13,675 since I've been in this house, I've had nothing but headaches 1019 00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:15,143 because it doesn't want me here." 1020 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,412 So what they will do is if they can't get at you, 1021 00:55:17,414 --> 00:55:20,649 they will go at people that are close to you. 1022 00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:27,623 This is a point where I think each one of us 1023 00:55:27,690 --> 00:55:29,825 need to kind of sit back and reflect 1024 00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:33,362 on how much further we want to push. 1025 00:55:33,364 --> 00:55:36,432 I don't know if we're getting deeper in danger 1026 00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:39,635 for any one of these team members or somebody we love, 1027 00:55:39,702 --> 00:55:42,838 by what we're doing, in trying to reveal the truth. 1028 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,108 That side doesn't want to be uncovered. 1029 00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:49,611 To tell the truth and help Eliza and her children. 1030 00:55:58,922 --> 00:56:01,056 To help the memory of the Bordens? 1031 00:56:01,058 --> 00:56:01,924 Yeah. 1032 00:56:04,193 --> 00:56:05,728 Is it worth the cost to one of us? 1033 00:56:05,795 --> 00:56:07,062 [voice breaks] Yeah. 1034 00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:08,430 [sniffles] 1035 00:56:16,906 --> 00:56:20,542 [Dave] All right, we've all had a little chance to take a breather. 1036 00:56:21,844 --> 00:56:23,779 Moving forward. 1037 00:56:23,846 --> 00:56:26,915 The concept and idea was facing this head-on tonight, 1038 00:56:26,983 --> 00:56:29,518 and having a seance. 1039 00:56:29,585 --> 00:56:32,654 Our hope is to make contact with the dark energy 1040 00:56:32,656 --> 00:56:35,524 and to possibly break the Borden family curse, 1041 00:56:35,526 --> 00:56:38,861 bringing peace to Lizzie and the other spirits. 1042 00:56:38,928 --> 00:56:41,130 Her great aunt Eliza and her children, 1043 00:56:41,197 --> 00:56:44,800 who are trapped or perhaps being tormented in the afterlife. 1044 00:56:44,867 --> 00:56:48,203 We know the dangers, we know the possibilities, 1045 00:56:49,672 --> 00:56:51,407 but we also know why we're here. 1046 00:56:51,474 --> 00:56:53,475 This is what we do, 1047 00:56:53,543 --> 00:56:55,010 but I want this to be something 1048 00:56:55,012 --> 00:56:57,012 that everybody's comfortable with, and if you're not, 1049 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,748 no harm, no foul. 1050 00:56:59,816 --> 00:57:02,217 There's absolutely no love lost between us 1051 00:57:02,285 --> 00:57:04,953 if you decide to step away from this, this evening. 1052 00:57:05,955 --> 00:57:08,023 It's time we sift through the lies. 1053 00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:11,427 It's time we sift through all of the legend 1054 00:57:11,494 --> 00:57:13,228 and get to the heart of this story. 1055 00:57:13,296 --> 00:57:16,498 We may have a fight on our hands. 1056 00:57:16,533 --> 00:57:20,769 There is something here that doesn't want to be interfered with. 1057 00:57:20,771 --> 00:57:23,038 Are you okay doing this tonight, are you in? 1058 00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:26,508 I'm in, yeah, I'm in. 1059 00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:28,109 - [Dave] Chris? - [Chris] Oh, yeah, absolutely. 1060 00:57:28,111 --> 00:57:29,711 - Luann? - Yes. 1061 00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:31,613 [Dave] Let's do it. 1062 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,854 [Dave] We've chosen to perform the seance 1063 00:57:38,856 --> 00:57:41,390 in the actual bedroom where Lizzie Borden 1064 00:57:41,457 --> 00:57:44,059 spent most of her time in this house. 1065 00:57:44,126 --> 00:57:47,529 And if the dark entity attached itself to Lizzie, 1066 00:57:47,531 --> 00:57:49,398 this is where we're most likely gonna find it. 1067 00:57:49,465 --> 00:57:52,267 It's go time, we are set up for the seance. 1068 00:57:52,269 --> 00:57:54,670 I've got the entire table rigged with GoPros 1069 00:57:54,737 --> 00:57:58,006 that will catch action from every angle. 1070 00:57:58,008 --> 00:57:59,675 If the spirit manifests itself, 1071 00:57:59,742 --> 00:58:01,777 we are gonna capture something tonight. 1072 00:58:05,682 --> 00:58:07,816 We're about to open a portal here, 1073 00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:10,752 a potential doorway to evil. 1074 00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:15,690 This is the most dangerous paranormal contact for anyone to attempt. 1075 00:58:15,692 --> 00:58:17,493 There've been very few seances 1076 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,827 actually conducted in this house 1077 00:58:18,895 --> 00:58:20,963 because of those dangers involved. 1078 00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:22,831 [scream] 1079 00:58:22,899 --> 00:58:26,902 [Dave] We're trying to discover and contact the source of this curse. 1080 00:58:28,771 --> 00:58:31,106 Well, we've all agreed to come here 1081 00:58:31,108 --> 00:58:33,575 to try to help the spirits 1082 00:58:33,643 --> 00:58:35,577 that are part of the Borden household, 1083 00:58:35,645 --> 00:58:37,446 the spirits that have reached out for help, 1084 00:58:37,513 --> 00:58:39,982 from Eliza and her two children 1085 00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:43,452 to Elizabeth and the Bordens directly, 1086 00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:45,921 to see if we can lift this curse, 1087 00:58:45,988 --> 00:58:48,390 lift this burden that's been put on their shoulders. 1088 00:58:48,457 --> 00:58:50,259 We might as well begin. [sighs] 1089 00:58:50,326 --> 00:58:54,663 [Dave] Each person has an important role to play during the seance. 1090 00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:57,132 Luann has a strong connection to this house, 1091 00:58:57,934 --> 00:58:59,735 In capturing the Anvelo EVP. 1092 00:59:03,339 --> 00:59:05,040 Will the demon come out tonight? 1093 00:59:07,777 --> 00:59:09,845 Sam is related to Lizzie Borden, 1094 00:59:09,912 --> 00:59:13,315 and has channeled the spirit of Lizzie's great Aunt Eliza. 1095 00:59:13,382 --> 00:59:17,119 She drowned her children in the house directly next door, 1096 00:59:17,186 --> 00:59:20,656 44 years before the Borden murders. 1097 00:59:20,723 --> 00:59:22,791 Will she make contact again, 1098 00:59:22,858 --> 00:59:25,193 and bring them peace in the afterlife? 1099 00:59:25,261 --> 00:59:27,996 Me, I'm gonna open myself and my body 1100 00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:30,666 to whatever spirits need to help them. 1101 00:59:30,733 --> 00:59:34,002 And finally, there's Chris, the leader of the seance. 1102 00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:37,139 He understands the dangers better than any of us. 1103 00:59:37,206 --> 00:59:40,008 A seance opens a door to the other side, 1104 00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:44,145 inviting in good and sometimes bad spirits. 1105 00:59:44,147 --> 00:59:46,815 They can take over your body and attach to you, 1106 00:59:46,817 --> 00:59:48,150 or in the best case scenario 1107 00:59:48,217 --> 00:59:51,620 you'll find out who or what you're dealing with, 1108 00:59:51,687 --> 00:59:53,555 and then close that door. 1109 00:59:53,623 --> 00:59:56,891 But we all have to be aware of the worst case scenario. 1110 00:59:56,893 --> 00:59:58,827 When you give that kind of permission, 1111 00:59:58,894 --> 01:00:02,831 anything can walk through, anything. 1112 01:00:02,898 --> 01:00:05,500 Chris's number one job is to keep us safe. 1113 01:00:06,836 --> 01:00:11,707 [Chris] First thing we do is to relax the body and the mind, 1114 01:00:11,774 --> 01:00:13,442 to loosen the consciousness, 1115 01:00:13,509 --> 01:00:16,711 but not loosen the soul where it leaves the body. 1116 01:00:16,713 --> 01:00:19,081 Each one of our souls needs to stay within the body. 1117 01:00:19,983 --> 01:00:21,683 -Breathe in, -[all inhale] 1118 01:00:23,386 --> 01:00:25,520 - breathe out. - [all exhale] 1119 01:00:27,256 --> 01:00:29,324 -Breathe in, -[all inhale] 1120 01:00:30,393 --> 01:00:33,528 - breathe out. - [all exhale] 1121 01:00:33,596 --> 01:00:35,664 People say, "Hey, are you gonna be able to communicate with this spirit? 1122 01:00:35,731 --> 01:00:37,532 Are you gonna be successful in getting rid of this?" 1123 01:00:37,534 --> 01:00:38,934 I don't know till I'm there. 1124 01:00:39,001 --> 01:00:40,669 I don't know till I am facing this thing 1125 01:00:40,736 --> 01:00:42,471 and confronting this, what can be done. 1126 01:00:43,539 --> 01:00:47,643 Gonna ask the spirits that reside in this house, 1127 01:00:48,544 --> 01:00:50,812 can already feel some of your presence, 1128 01:00:52,348 --> 01:00:55,150 to not be afraid, but to come forward, 1129 01:00:55,217 --> 01:00:58,887 to speak to us, we have some questions, 1130 01:00:58,954 --> 01:01:02,290 but we also have a purpose. 1131 01:01:02,358 --> 01:01:04,459 And I believe you know that purpose. 1132 01:01:08,164 --> 01:01:10,732 Feel free to speak to us. 1133 01:01:22,645 --> 01:01:23,978 [thump] 1134 01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:25,847 - Are you hearing that? - [Sam] Yeah. 1135 01:01:25,915 --> 01:01:28,917 Something is knocking on the underside of the table, moving around us. 1136 01:01:31,988 --> 01:01:33,221 [Chris] And moving around the room. 1137 01:01:35,124 --> 01:01:36,058 It's multiple. 1138 01:01:38,994 --> 01:01:41,262 I think Lizzie's present too, but she's waiting. 1139 01:01:41,264 --> 01:01:42,497 She is, she's watching. 1140 01:01:43,833 --> 01:01:44,900 Call Elizabeth. 1141 01:01:47,269 --> 01:01:48,603 Elizabeth, is that you with us? 1142 01:01:48,671 --> 01:01:50,605 Can you knock the table if that's you? 1143 01:01:53,609 --> 01:01:56,678 Elizabeth, I promised you that I would not call you here. 1144 01:01:56,746 --> 01:01:59,081 This is special, this is for the children. 1145 01:02:00,483 --> 01:02:02,784 This is your chance to redeem yourself. 1146 01:02:04,153 --> 01:02:05,954 You are a good person, I know you. 1147 01:02:06,021 --> 01:02:07,489 I know you, you're a good girl. 1148 01:02:07,556 --> 01:02:08,490 You're a good daughter. 1149 01:02:14,363 --> 01:02:16,031 It said, "Back off a second." 1150 01:02:16,098 --> 01:02:17,432 Allow it to come through. 1151 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,040 [Chris] You okay, Dave? 1152 01:02:26,042 --> 01:02:27,642 Yeah, I don't know what's going on there, buddy. 1153 01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:29,611 -[Chris] It's Elizabeth. It's her. -[table thumps] 1154 01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:32,180 Are you choosing Dave? 1155 01:02:33,916 --> 01:02:35,250 Okay. 1156 01:02:35,252 --> 01:02:37,185 - [table rattling] - Just trust me, Dave, allow it to come through. 1157 01:02:37,586 --> 01:02:38,453 All right? 1158 01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:41,857 Just trust me, Dave, it's okay. 1159 01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:43,125 No, I don't want to let go. 1160 01:02:43,192 --> 01:02:44,126 Trust me. 1161 01:02:44,860 --> 01:02:46,695 Trust me, Dave, okay? 1162 01:02:48,397 --> 01:02:49,297 Take the pen. 1163 01:02:53,469 --> 01:02:54,503 [Luann] Back off. 1164 01:02:55,805 --> 01:02:57,539 [grunts] 1165 01:02:57,541 --> 01:02:59,874 No, I don't like this, Chris. I don't like this. 1166 01:02:59,876 --> 01:03:01,209 I don't have control of my arm. 1167 01:03:01,277 --> 01:03:02,677 - I don't like this at all. - I know that. 1168 01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:04,346 - [Chris] I know that, Dave, trust me. - [Luann] You're okay. 1169 01:03:09,051 --> 01:03:10,585 It's just a form of communication. 1170 01:03:12,188 --> 01:03:13,388 [Luann] I'm holding on. 1171 01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:17,525 [Chris] I know, but it's not used to it. 1172 01:03:17,527 --> 01:03:19,327 Slow down, relax. 1173 01:03:19,395 --> 01:03:21,530 I can't let go, I'm not fighting it. 1174 01:03:21,597 --> 01:03:22,864 Okay, just let it go. 1175 01:03:22,866 --> 01:03:24,533 It's only gonna use the arm, trust me. 1176 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,902 It only has permission at this moment to use the arm. 1177 01:03:28,003 --> 01:03:29,871 This is a form of automatic writing. 1178 01:03:29,873 --> 01:03:31,273 It's very weird. 1179 01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:32,340 Allow it. 1180 01:03:34,477 --> 01:03:36,144 Calm down, spirit, calm down. 1181 01:03:38,214 --> 01:03:39,080 No more. 1182 01:03:40,883 --> 01:03:42,651 Okay, what do you mean by no more? 1183 01:03:46,222 --> 01:03:47,856 Yes. No more, okay, I know. 1184 01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:51,493 Just relax, Dave. 1185 01:03:52,428 --> 01:03:53,695 What do you mean "no more"? 1186 01:03:53,697 --> 01:03:54,830 Is this Lizzie? 1187 01:03:57,366 --> 01:03:58,300 Is this Lizzie? 1188 01:04:01,437 --> 01:04:02,871 I believe that's yes, okay. 1189 01:04:05,241 --> 01:04:08,577 Lizzie, I'm here to help you, okay? 1190 01:04:09,045 --> 01:04:10,045 All of us are. 1191 01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:12,948 You must tell the truth, 1192 01:04:14,050 --> 01:04:15,951 and I know you're tired of hearing it. 1193 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,254 Did you physically do it? 1194 01:04:22,058 --> 01:04:23,658 Why does that feel like it's lifting me? 1195 01:04:25,794 --> 01:04:27,929 Just relax, Dave, it's okay. 1196 01:04:27,931 --> 01:04:31,366 I know it's scary, just trust me. 1197 01:04:32,535 --> 01:04:34,069 Something's trying to pull you away, Lizzie. 1198 01:04:34,136 --> 01:04:35,670 - Something's trying to pull you out. - [exhales] 1199 01:04:35,738 --> 01:04:36,805 Come back, you have permission. 1200 01:04:38,741 --> 01:04:41,910 Lizzie, did you physically do it? 1201 01:04:43,012 --> 01:04:43,979 Yes or no? 1202 01:04:48,083 --> 01:04:49,284 "No," okay. 1203 01:04:49,351 --> 01:04:51,052 [Sam] Was it a demon, Lizzie? 1204 01:04:52,955 --> 01:04:54,456 Do you know who did it? 1205 01:04:56,759 --> 01:04:57,626 No? 1206 01:04:59,628 --> 01:05:01,763 But you're in spirit now, so you can see, 1207 01:05:01,830 --> 01:05:03,965 you can have access to who did it. 1208 01:05:04,033 --> 01:05:07,969 Was it a male that did it, a male, a man? 1209 01:05:07,971 --> 01:05:09,037 Yes or no? 1210 01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:11,773 No. 1211 01:05:11,775 --> 01:05:13,842 Lizzie, why are you pointing to me? 1212 01:05:13,909 --> 01:05:14,910 [Luann] No more. 1213 01:05:14,977 --> 01:05:15,810 [Chris] No more. 1214 01:05:17,179 --> 01:05:19,848 Okay you're tired of hearing about it. 1215 01:05:19,915 --> 01:05:22,450 [Dave] I don't know what this is, Chris. I don't feel it. 1216 01:05:22,518 --> 01:05:24,019 [Chris] Don't worry, okay? 1217 01:05:25,121 --> 01:05:26,554 It's only gonna be temporary. 1218 01:05:27,856 --> 01:05:29,791 Lizzie, what do you want to tell us? 1219 01:05:29,858 --> 01:05:32,127 Do you want us to stop bringing up the past? 1220 01:05:32,194 --> 01:05:33,528 Is that what you're saying? 1221 01:05:36,666 --> 01:05:38,400 [Dave] I don't know what the hell that is. 1222 01:05:38,467 --> 01:05:39,634 - [Chris] Lie. - [Dave] Lie? 1223 01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:42,337 L-I-E. 1224 01:05:43,472 --> 01:05:44,672 [Luann] Yes. 1225 01:05:44,674 --> 01:05:47,275 Oh, so the past is a lie, you did not do it. 1226 01:05:49,878 --> 01:05:50,812 Yes. 1227 01:05:50,814 --> 01:05:51,813 [Luann] It's okay. 1228 01:05:51,815 --> 01:05:53,614 Okay, okay it's okay. 1229 01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:55,050 You told me you didn't do it. 1230 01:05:55,885 --> 01:05:56,785 I believe you. 1231 01:05:57,954 --> 01:06:00,522 Lizzie, stop for a second, relax. 1232 01:06:01,423 --> 01:06:02,890 Okay? 1233 01:06:02,892 --> 01:06:04,559 If you don't respect this body, 1234 01:06:04,626 --> 01:06:06,427 I have to remove you from it. 1235 01:06:06,429 --> 01:06:07,295 Come on. 1236 01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:09,697 Speak to us. 1237 01:06:09,699 --> 01:06:11,633 I'm trying to, I just don't like this, man. 1238 01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:13,034 It doesn't feel right. 1239 01:06:13,102 --> 01:06:16,171 I don't think this is a woman. I don't think this is a woman. 1240 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,507 I don't like it, Chris. 1241 01:06:19,575 --> 01:06:20,909 [Chris] All right, enough. 1242 01:06:22,711 --> 01:06:23,578 Enough. 1243 01:06:25,848 --> 01:06:26,982 [Chris] It's all right, brother. 1244 01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:27,882 [groans] 1245 01:06:28,384 --> 01:06:31,186 [Chris] Okay, relax. 1246 01:06:31,253 --> 01:06:34,188 - Listen, I want you to listen. - [sighs] 1247 01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:36,858 This is gonna just linger for a little bit, okay? 1248 01:06:36,860 --> 01:06:38,193 Trust me, give me your hand now. 1249 01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:39,794 - [Dave] Sure. - [Chris] All right. 1250 01:06:42,732 --> 01:06:44,132 [Chris] That's the first time that Dave 1251 01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:45,733 has experienced something like that. 1252 01:06:45,735 --> 01:06:47,335 And I've known him for 17 years, 1253 01:06:47,337 --> 01:06:49,137 and I believe one of the reasons is, 1254 01:06:49,204 --> 01:06:51,739 Dave is a little skeptical of mediumship, 1255 01:06:51,741 --> 01:06:54,275 channeling, automatic writing. 1256 01:06:54,277 --> 01:06:57,211 So Lizzie decided I'm gonna go through him, 1257 01:06:57,213 --> 01:06:58,546 teach him something. 1258 01:06:59,748 --> 01:07:01,616 Dave, how are you feeling? Better? 1259 01:07:01,683 --> 01:07:03,618 Just [bleep] worn out, and in a lot of pain. 1260 01:07:03,685 --> 01:07:05,787 Okay. I think she's gone. 1261 01:07:07,156 --> 01:07:08,089 Let's keep going. 1262 01:07:10,292 --> 01:07:11,459 [breathing heavily] 1263 01:07:17,166 --> 01:07:20,101 Something's moving around under the table with us. 1264 01:07:20,103 --> 01:07:22,804 Can you feel it? I mean, it's bumping and moving around us. 1265 01:07:26,108 --> 01:07:27,642 It's just to scare you, it's swarming. 1266 01:07:28,444 --> 01:07:30,011 I think it's the dark energy. 1267 01:07:31,447 --> 01:07:32,447 [Luann] It's... 1268 01:07:32,514 --> 01:07:33,715 [Chris] They feed off of fears. 1269 01:07:33,782 --> 01:07:35,050 Not nice. 1270 01:07:35,117 --> 01:07:36,117 [Chris] Don't worry. 1271 01:07:37,986 --> 01:07:39,187 [breathing heavily] 1272 01:07:42,925 --> 01:07:45,193 [Luann] It's really pissed off. 1273 01:07:45,195 --> 01:07:46,995 [Chris] I know, I know. 1274 01:07:53,102 --> 01:07:56,538 Write a word for me. What are you trying to say? Write a word. 1275 01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:58,106 All right. 1276 01:07:59,775 --> 01:08:01,175 Relax, Luann. 1277 01:08:01,177 --> 01:08:03,111 - [exhales] - It's only temporary. 1278 01:08:03,178 --> 01:08:04,212 Are you Lizzie? 1279 01:08:04,847 --> 01:08:05,780 Yes or no? 1280 01:08:05,848 --> 01:08:09,184 [groans] 1281 01:08:09,251 --> 01:08:10,985 It's saying backwards, "Yes." 1282 01:08:10,987 --> 01:08:12,520 I don't really like this. 1283 01:08:12,588 --> 01:08:14,522 Okay this is, this is not Lizzie. 1284 01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:16,391 Okay, I'm gonna ask you to... 1285 01:08:18,527 --> 01:08:20,228 I'm gonna tell you to leave now. 1286 01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:22,663 You must leave now. 1287 01:08:22,665 --> 01:08:25,100 [Luann breathing heavily] 1288 01:08:26,468 --> 01:08:27,302 [Chris] Listen to me. 1289 01:08:28,503 --> 01:08:29,504 Who are you? 1290 01:08:30,272 --> 01:08:32,140 [Luann groans] 1291 01:08:32,142 --> 01:08:33,708 [Chris] You're not human, you're drawing. 1292 01:08:35,077 --> 01:08:36,878 6-6-6. Okay. 1293 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,414 She just drew 666 in reverse. 1294 01:08:39,481 --> 01:08:42,683 [narrator] Something started affecting Luann more negatively. 1295 01:08:42,685 --> 01:08:46,020 I believe she was making contact with that dark energy, 1296 01:08:46,088 --> 01:08:49,357 possibly the same from the Borden family curse. 1297 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,828 I think it's Anvelo or something that infests that home 1298 01:08:53,830 --> 01:08:55,463 and takes many guises. 1299 01:08:56,832 --> 01:08:57,932 It doesn't scare me. 1300 01:09:02,438 --> 01:09:03,538 There is no fear. 1301 01:09:08,644 --> 01:09:10,111 I don't know what it needs, 1302 01:09:10,113 --> 01:09:12,580 - but it needs something and it's not good. - I understand. 1303 01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:13,915 I understand that. 1304 01:09:13,982 --> 01:09:15,617 I think it wants us to die. 1305 01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:19,053 Are you one of the fallen? 1306 01:09:19,121 --> 01:09:20,855 It doesn't want to talk. 1307 01:09:20,923 --> 01:09:21,923 [Chris] I know you don't. 1308 01:09:21,925 --> 01:09:23,124 [Luann] It doesn't want to talk. 1309 01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:24,392 [Chris] Of course it doesn't, 1310 01:09:24,394 --> 01:09:26,060 it doesn't want the truth, that's why. 1311 01:09:27,396 --> 01:09:30,131 It's time for you to go home. 1312 01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:34,268 You've been feeding off of the regret and fear of others. 1313 01:09:34,270 --> 01:09:37,071 - [exhales] - You've been feeding off of the pain of others, 1314 01:09:37,139 --> 01:09:40,742 because of the pain that you have from thousands of years ago. 1315 01:09:42,277 --> 01:09:44,212 I'm gonna face this dark energy. 1316 01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:45,380 Look at me. 1317 01:09:46,148 --> 01:09:48,449 Look at me. 1318 01:09:50,686 --> 01:09:54,088 There is no violence or hate or anger behind me. 1319 01:10:01,496 --> 01:10:03,965 - [exhales] - All right, this is what we're gonna do now. 1320 01:10:04,033 --> 01:10:05,833 I'm gonna use this spirit box. 1321 01:10:05,835 --> 01:10:09,437 I am doing this so that we can listen in 1322 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,372 on the invisible spectrum, 1323 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:12,840 to hear some of the spirits 1324 01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:15,910 that are starting to surround us. 1325 01:10:20,049 --> 01:10:21,416 We're gonna do this together, Sam. 1326 01:10:22,585 --> 01:10:23,885 You guys give me your hands. 1327 01:10:32,127 --> 01:10:33,461 [exhales] 1328 01:10:34,730 --> 01:10:38,032 Now, I asked the Bordens, their spirits to come forward. 1329 01:10:39,201 --> 01:10:40,935 Lizzie, can you hear me? 1330 01:10:40,937 --> 01:10:44,405 [radio static crackling] 1331 01:10:44,473 --> 01:10:45,540 [Chris] I feel your presence. 1332 01:10:45,607 --> 01:10:48,543 [radio static crackling] 1333 01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:49,811 Can you speak to us? 1334 01:10:49,878 --> 01:10:51,145 [radio static crackling] 1335 01:10:51,213 --> 01:10:52,213 You have permission. 1336 01:10:52,281 --> 01:10:53,414 [radio static crackling] 1337 01:10:53,482 --> 01:10:55,750 [unintelligible music and words] 1338 01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:59,220 [Chris] Did you hear that? 1339 01:10:59,288 --> 01:11:01,089 Yeah. 1340 01:11:01,156 --> 01:11:03,958 [Dave] I heard there is a demon in this house. 1341 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,893 [Chris] Whoa, that's confirmation. 1342 01:11:05,961 --> 01:11:07,829 The demon is here with us. 1343 01:11:10,499 --> 01:11:13,234 Why was this told to me, the faces of many names, 1344 01:11:13,236 --> 01:11:14,168 who is that? 1345 01:11:16,438 --> 01:11:17,572 Did it say, "pure evil"? 1346 01:11:17,639 --> 01:11:18,773 That just say "pure evil"? 1347 01:11:18,775 --> 01:11:19,641 Yeah, pure evil. 1348 01:11:21,310 --> 01:11:22,777 [Chris] There is something out there 1349 01:11:22,844 --> 01:11:27,448 that has a shape or a form, that may change over time. 1350 01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:30,585 And that has many faces, and many names. 1351 01:11:30,652 --> 01:11:33,254 And when we say, well, it's the devil or it's Satan, 1352 01:11:33,256 --> 01:11:35,690 or it's this evil person, how could somebody do that? 1353 01:11:36,325 --> 01:11:37,792 Well what is it all? 1354 01:11:37,859 --> 01:11:39,294 It's all just evil. 1355 01:11:40,395 --> 01:11:43,664 It is now time to confront this dark energy 1356 01:11:43,666 --> 01:11:46,267 and break the family curse. 1357 01:11:46,269 --> 01:11:49,337 No other entities are allowed to enter into this domain. 1358 01:11:50,606 --> 01:11:51,806 It's being shut down. 1359 01:11:53,675 --> 01:11:56,077 I ask the holy angels to come forward 1360 01:11:57,212 --> 01:12:00,014 and to assist in removing this infestation, 1361 01:12:01,483 --> 01:12:04,885 to wipe clean the past of the tragedy and the pain. 1362 01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:08,356 We're here to call out to the souls and spirits 1363 01:12:10,492 --> 01:12:12,026 that have been wanting to cross over, 1364 01:12:12,028 --> 01:12:13,561 and been wanting to go home and find peace. 1365 01:12:13,628 --> 01:12:16,998 Allow them to come home, to be welcome with the creator, 1366 01:12:18,433 --> 01:12:21,969 -to return to peace, -[sobs] 1367 01:12:21,971 --> 01:12:24,171 to remove the emotions and the shame. 1368 01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:27,508 [radio static crackling] 1369 01:12:27,576 --> 01:12:29,043 Are you okay, Dave? 1370 01:12:29,045 --> 01:12:32,080 We just ask that you find the entity known as Anvelo, 1371 01:12:33,382 --> 01:12:37,385 and any other dark manifestations that may be in this home. 1372 01:12:37,387 --> 01:12:41,655 We rebuke them and heal the psychic scars of the dead. 1373 01:12:41,657 --> 01:12:45,159 We ask that the lies stop and that the truths prevail. 1374 01:12:46,395 --> 01:12:49,197 We ask the Borden family to come forward 1375 01:12:50,465 --> 01:12:52,400 and join us in this plea. 1376 01:12:53,602 --> 01:12:56,737 We ask that you give the grace of forgiveness 1377 01:12:56,739 --> 01:12:59,374 to Lizzie Borden and her family. 1378 01:12:59,441 --> 01:13:02,042 [thuds] 1379 01:13:02,044 --> 01:13:05,046 [Dave] We ask that you raise the veil of hatred, 1380 01:13:06,115 --> 01:13:10,050 anger, suspicion, jealousy, and rage 1381 01:13:10,052 --> 01:13:11,519 that has been put on this house 1382 01:13:11,586 --> 01:13:14,889 and break the curse of the Borden family. 1383 01:13:19,261 --> 01:13:21,162 It's Eliza. Eliza. 1384 01:13:22,998 --> 01:13:27,468 We invite you into our circle, Eliza, along with the children. 1385 01:13:28,804 --> 01:13:31,639 [Chris] I hear her saying, "I'm sorry for bringing you here". 1386 01:13:33,608 --> 01:13:35,810 - [Dave] It's okay. - [Luann] Don't be sorry. 1387 01:13:35,812 --> 01:13:37,144 [Dave] We're here now together. 1388 01:13:37,146 --> 01:13:38,579 So much pain. 1389 01:13:40,549 --> 01:13:41,816 So much pain. 1390 01:13:43,685 --> 01:13:45,920 [Dave] Did something influence you, Eliza? 1391 01:13:48,624 --> 01:13:50,057 Do you remember that day? 1392 01:13:53,829 --> 01:13:55,162 [Sam sobbing] 1393 01:13:55,164 --> 01:13:56,764 [Sam] The monster. 1394 01:13:58,033 --> 01:13:59,700 Something affected you? 1395 01:13:59,702 --> 01:14:01,669 The monster. 1396 01:14:03,371 --> 01:14:05,840 [Sam] Please. Please. 1397 01:14:05,842 --> 01:14:08,176 [Dave] Eliza, are you here with the children now? 1398 01:14:08,243 --> 01:14:09,710 Yes. 1399 01:14:09,712 --> 01:14:12,046 Good, see, this is good, you're together. 1400 01:14:12,048 --> 01:14:13,448 There's forgiveness. 1401 01:14:13,515 --> 01:14:15,716 Do you see your children surrounding you, Eliza? 1402 01:14:15,718 --> 01:14:16,651 Oh, my beautiful babies. 1403 01:14:16,718 --> 01:14:18,118 [Dave] Right. 1404 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,387 - The babies. - Yes. 1405 01:14:20,389 --> 01:14:22,190 You don't need to feel pain now. 1406 01:14:22,257 --> 01:14:25,793 You're forgiven, your children forgive you, look. 1407 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:28,529 Look at them, they surround you in love. 1408 01:14:28,597 --> 01:14:30,698 We invite you into the circle of love. 1409 01:14:32,267 --> 01:14:35,670 You have to try to help a soul be put to rest. 1410 01:14:35,737 --> 01:14:39,206 Means to remove anything keeping them here, 1411 01:14:39,208 --> 01:14:41,809 giving them that freedom, breaking that shackle. 1412 01:14:41,877 --> 01:14:44,479 Then the angels are there to help them cross over. 1413 01:14:44,546 --> 01:14:47,481 Eliza, there's a man with golden hair 1414 01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:49,484 that is descending down into the light. 1415 01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:53,154 He's offering his hand to you. 1416 01:14:53,221 --> 01:14:55,089 [Sam] She's letting go of me. 1417 01:14:55,156 --> 01:14:57,058 [Chris] Do not be afraid and go to him. 1418 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,628 He will protect you from the darkness. 1419 01:15:01,630 --> 01:15:03,898 He is here for you now. 1420 01:15:03,965 --> 01:15:06,234 [Sam] She's got her arms open wide. 1421 01:15:06,301 --> 01:15:07,735 I'm feeling a cold breeze. 1422 01:15:09,104 --> 01:15:10,271 These children are so special. 1423 01:15:13,375 --> 01:15:15,176 There are more that are coming out of the light 1424 01:15:15,243 --> 01:15:20,114 that are to create a safe passage for them with you, 1425 01:15:20,116 --> 01:15:22,216 to break the bond from the darkness. 1426 01:15:23,252 --> 01:15:24,919 We ask now that you clear our mind, 1427 01:15:24,986 --> 01:15:28,589 our soul and our bodies of any energies that are not our own, 1428 01:15:29,791 --> 01:15:33,261 to cast away anything that means us harm, 1429 01:15:33,328 --> 01:15:36,063 as we end the circle in light and love, 1430 01:15:36,131 --> 01:15:38,666 brothership, friendship. 1431 01:15:38,733 --> 01:15:41,903 We thank you for your time, for the spirits that have come forward. 1432 01:15:43,005 --> 01:15:45,940 We beg mercy for those that are still lost. 1433 01:15:45,942 --> 01:15:49,176 And we thank God above for all that He's brought to us today. 1434 01:15:49,745 --> 01:15:51,712 - Amen. - [all] Amen. 1435 01:16:03,892 --> 01:16:05,893 [Chris] Today was a great day. 1436 01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:08,229 There's a multitude of different things that happened today. 1437 01:16:08,296 --> 01:16:10,230 Each one of us was obviously brought together 1438 01:16:10,232 --> 01:16:13,768 for a specific reason, for ourself. 1439 01:16:13,835 --> 01:16:15,703 Dave had his experience. 1440 01:16:15,705 --> 01:16:18,238 Sam had his experience, Luann had hers. 1441 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,508 I had mine, and together, 1442 01:16:20,575 --> 01:16:23,911 we had experiences with a multitude of various souls 1443 01:16:23,913 --> 01:16:25,112 that came through, 1444 01:16:25,114 --> 01:16:27,248 that in some way or some shape or form 1445 01:16:27,315 --> 01:16:28,950 are connected to this place. 1446 01:16:30,318 --> 01:16:34,121 And together we all collectively experienced it. 1447 01:16:36,124 --> 01:16:38,459 [Dave] Today, we did what we set out to do. 1448 01:16:38,461 --> 01:16:41,128 We made contact with the dark energy, 1449 01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:44,865 hopefully breaking the Borden family curse. 1450 01:16:44,867 --> 01:16:46,934 We made contact with who we believe 1451 01:16:46,936 --> 01:16:50,071 were Lizzie and Eliza and her children, 1452 01:16:50,138 --> 01:16:52,473 and we sent them all into the light, 1453 01:16:52,475 --> 01:16:54,475 where they can finally be at peace. 1454 01:16:54,477 --> 01:16:57,078 [piano light music playing] 1455 01:16:57,145 --> 01:16:58,746 [Dave] There are no coincidences. 1456 01:17:00,215 --> 01:17:03,818 Luann, she got this information, 1457 01:17:03,885 --> 01:17:05,620 which connected to me, 1458 01:17:05,687 --> 01:17:08,356 which connected to Chris, which brought in Sam, 1459 01:17:08,423 --> 01:17:12,026 and we became a unit that could come together, 1460 01:17:12,093 --> 01:17:14,895 with the same ideals, the same intention 1461 01:17:14,897 --> 01:17:17,431 and the same hopes to help. 1462 01:17:17,499 --> 01:17:21,902 We followed the breadcrumbs, the trail of information, 1463 01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:24,438 as confusing as it was at times, 1464 01:17:24,506 --> 01:17:29,176 to the conclusion that there is a haunting. 1465 01:17:29,244 --> 01:17:31,779 There is a curse. 1466 01:17:31,846 --> 01:17:34,448 The curse comes in many layers. 1467 01:17:34,450 --> 01:17:37,985 The house where two horrific murders took place. 1468 01:17:38,053 --> 01:17:42,189 The psychic scars left behind from the murder victims 1469 01:17:42,257 --> 01:17:43,958 and the family survivors. 1470 01:17:45,593 --> 01:17:48,195 [Sam] I feel like the work that we did this week, 1471 01:17:48,197 --> 01:17:50,664 definitely took off a layer, 1472 01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:53,467 a very dangerous layer on the Borden family curse. 1473 01:17:53,535 --> 01:17:57,705 I knew that I was able to communicate with spirit and be a clairvoyant. 1474 01:17:58,740 --> 01:18:02,409 It went really dark, really fast. 1475 01:18:02,411 --> 01:18:05,079 I knew my ancestors were behind me, supporting me. 1476 01:18:05,081 --> 01:18:06,814 And that is something I can't even fathom, 1477 01:18:06,881 --> 01:18:08,949 it's like it gives me so much joy 1478 01:18:08,951 --> 01:18:12,553 to know that they support me and that I'm not alone. 1479 01:18:12,555 --> 01:18:15,423 I'm different now than I was, say even a week ago, 1480 01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:18,025 before this investigation began, 1481 01:18:18,093 --> 01:18:21,228 because this taught me more about humility, 1482 01:18:21,296 --> 01:18:22,629 not just for myself, 1483 01:18:22,631 --> 01:18:25,566 but how we view others and how others view us. 1484 01:18:26,435 --> 01:18:28,569 I know everybody wants that answer. 1485 01:18:29,237 --> 01:18:30,204 Who done it? 1486 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,241 We will never know for sure 1487 01:18:34,309 --> 01:18:36,711 who killed Abby and Andrew Borden. 1488 01:18:36,778 --> 01:18:39,246 If Lizzie committed those murders, 1489 01:18:39,248 --> 01:18:43,717 or if the dark energy conjured from the family curse made her do it. 1490 01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:48,388 Anvelo is the entity of many faces and many names. 1491 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,292 It's what we give it, what we put into it. 1492 01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:56,864 I believe Anvelo was this dark guardian 1493 01:18:56,866 --> 01:18:58,999 of the Borden murder house. 1494 01:19:00,936 --> 01:19:02,603 And I believe it was there for a time, 1495 01:19:02,605 --> 01:19:05,439 but I think it was forced out. 1496 01:19:07,275 --> 01:19:10,611 The house felt different, like a weight had been lifted. 1497 01:19:10,613 --> 01:19:14,615 [Chris] We brought peace, not only to the Borden family in a certain way, 1498 01:19:14,617 --> 01:19:16,750 but also we brought peace to many other spirits 1499 01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:19,953 that have come through that house, or still remain. 1500 01:19:19,955 --> 01:19:24,191 [Sam] What matters really, is that they find peace in the afterlife. 1501 01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:28,362 So with that, I'm extremely grateful. 1502 01:19:28,364 --> 01:19:31,298 [Dave] There's one last thing we have to do, 1503 01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:35,069 to pay honor to Lizzie, at the home where she finally passed away. 1504 01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:37,138 Maplecroft. 1505 01:19:42,744 --> 01:19:44,678 [Dave] After Lizzie was acquitted for the murders, 1506 01:19:44,746 --> 01:19:46,880 she and her sister, Emma, left the family home, 1507 01:19:46,882 --> 01:19:48,816 and moved just over a mile away, 1508 01:19:48,818 --> 01:19:50,951 where Lizzie spent the rest of her days. 1509 01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:55,689 Lizzy died in 1927 at age 66, 1510 01:19:55,757 --> 01:19:58,559 and days later, Emma died in New Hampshire. 1511 01:20:00,896 --> 01:20:03,030 And as we enter the home, 1512 01:20:03,097 --> 01:20:06,967 we can already feel the light after the dark seance the night before. 1513 01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:12,105 [Sam] Connecting with Elizabeth, 1514 01:20:12,107 --> 01:20:15,109 she's waiting at the stairs to lead us upstairs. 1515 01:20:15,176 --> 01:20:17,044 She's got a little bit of an edge to her, 1516 01:20:17,046 --> 01:20:19,413 but she still is grateful that we're here. 1517 01:20:22,784 --> 01:20:25,452 When I first came to Maplecroft, 1518 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,122 this is where I connected with her the first time. 1519 01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:33,194 And I picture a woman looking out the window, 1520 01:20:33,261 --> 01:20:35,196 people mocking her on the streets. 1521 01:20:35,263 --> 01:20:38,065 You know like, "You did it, you did it," and her crying. 1522 01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:41,401 There is a lot of sadness here, but a lot of joy as well. 1523 01:20:41,403 --> 01:20:44,071 This was her sanctuary. This is where she threw parties, 1524 01:20:44,138 --> 01:20:45,539 and this is where she kind of lived her life. 1525 01:20:45,607 --> 01:20:48,108 And she became the person she wanted to be. 1526 01:20:49,611 --> 01:20:51,612 [Luann] It's like after the murders, 1527 01:20:51,614 --> 01:20:55,082 the whole city just turned against her. 1528 01:20:56,218 --> 01:20:59,687 It was a big thing for kids to play pranks on her, 1529 01:20:59,754 --> 01:21:01,688 throw rocks at the window. 1530 01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:06,093 It was a thing for the kids to actually go up to this door, 1531 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,295 knock on the door and run away. 1532 01:21:08,297 --> 01:21:11,198 So she'd come and open the door and no one would be there. 1533 01:21:12,634 --> 01:21:15,236 [Dave] To be alive during that time, to hear these things, 1534 01:21:15,303 --> 01:21:17,170 even though you've been acquitted, 1535 01:21:17,172 --> 01:21:20,040 you believe yourself to be innocent of this crime. 1536 01:21:20,042 --> 01:21:21,775 It's interesting, she took a stand. 1537 01:21:21,777 --> 01:21:23,677 She could have run. She could have gone anywhere. 1538 01:21:23,712 --> 01:21:25,246 She had the money. 1539 01:21:25,313 --> 01:21:28,782 But this was her home, and she just moved blocks away, 1540 01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:32,519 resettled in the place she knew as home, and owned it. 1541 01:21:32,587 --> 01:21:34,988 And that's... you gotta give her that. 1542 01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:38,459 If anything lends to the idea that she was innocent, 1543 01:21:38,526 --> 01:21:41,262 or at least believed herself to be innocent of this crime, 1544 01:21:41,329 --> 01:21:44,164 why would you run, if you feel you're innocent? 1545 01:21:45,667 --> 01:21:47,534 [Sam] When I first communicated with her, 1546 01:21:47,536 --> 01:21:50,070 she mentioned the pears, and there was a pear tree 1547 01:21:50,138 --> 01:21:52,940 in the backyard of the Second Street home. 1548 01:21:52,942 --> 01:21:55,809 And we're gonna offer a pear to Elizabeth. 1549 01:21:55,877 --> 01:21:58,145 We also have some old school, 1550 01:21:58,147 --> 01:22:00,948 dark chocolates for her as well. 1551 01:22:01,015 --> 01:22:04,418 And we're gonna leave it at the spot where she, where she passed. 1552 01:22:06,888 --> 01:22:09,423 So this part of the house here 1553 01:22:09,490 --> 01:22:12,226 was where Elizabeth lived later in life. 1554 01:22:12,293 --> 01:22:15,763 And when I see her, I see her in this room. 1555 01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:17,564 This is her sanctuary. 1556 01:22:17,566 --> 01:22:19,433 This is the area where she was sleeping 1557 01:22:19,435 --> 01:22:21,402 when she passed peacefully. 1558 01:22:23,238 --> 01:22:26,106 [Dave] Did she ever find happiness in her life? 1559 01:22:27,575 --> 01:22:31,078 [Sam] In my thoughts, I believe that she did. 1560 01:22:32,246 --> 01:22:35,049 She was able to express herself through music. 1561 01:22:35,116 --> 01:22:37,584 She loved music, she loved animals, 1562 01:22:37,586 --> 01:22:40,187 and she took what came into her life, 1563 01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:43,523 the money that came from the deaths in her family, 1564 01:22:43,525 --> 01:22:46,059 and actually gave a lot of money to help animals, 1565 01:22:46,061 --> 01:22:48,595 and that's something that, when I came into this house, 1566 01:22:48,597 --> 01:22:51,432 I learned about a different cousin. 1567 01:22:51,466 --> 01:22:53,067 Elizabeth, I just want to thank you 1568 01:22:53,134 --> 01:22:55,202 for allowing us into your story. 1569 01:22:55,269 --> 01:22:58,672 And I hope that we did justice for you in doing so. 1570 01:22:58,674 --> 01:23:01,875 I hope that with what we were able to do, 1571 01:23:01,943 --> 01:23:04,077 we can bring some peace to you and your family, 1572 01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:07,347 and you can all finally get the rest that you deserve. 1573 01:23:07,349 --> 01:23:10,117 [Chris] Keep hearing whispering, like, "Thank you, thank you." 1574 01:23:11,753 --> 01:23:13,286 You know, we did something last night 1575 01:23:13,288 --> 01:23:16,590 at the other house that I'd like to wrap up with here. 1576 01:23:16,592 --> 01:23:17,925 And it's just a quick prayer. 1577 01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:24,331 Lord, we just ask that you surround this house in healing, 1578 01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:26,400 and a thorny hedge of protection, 1579 01:23:26,402 --> 01:23:30,404 to keep it safe and the souls that reside here safe. 1580 01:23:30,406 --> 01:23:33,874 Please open the gateways, bring forth the light, 1581 01:23:33,941 --> 01:23:37,611 bring forth family members in peace and forgiveness, 1582 01:23:37,678 --> 01:23:40,514 so that any spirits that are lost may find their way home. 1583 01:23:41,883 --> 01:23:44,885 We beg of you to give peace to the Borden family, 1584 01:23:44,952 --> 01:23:48,956 their ancestors and to lift the curse of the Borden family. 1585 01:23:57,565 --> 01:24:00,901 [sinister music playing] 1586 01:24:10,445 --> 01:24:17,184 ♪ Lizzie Borden took an ax and gave her mother 40 whacks ♪ 1587 01:24:17,186 --> 01:24:22,489 ♪ When she saw what she had done She gave her father 41 ♪ 123378

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