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good evening i'm antinea Robarts this is
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crime beat the stories behind some of
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Canada's most high-profile homicides
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told by the reporters who walk the beat
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every day
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tonight we hugged each other and she
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went out the door and that's the last I
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saw at least it was just a missing
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person and it's not illegal to be
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missing she just vanished
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now we have a criminal investigation now
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we have foul play crime reporter Nancy
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Hicks has the story of Lisa Mitchell the
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mysterious disappearance of a Calgary
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mother a 29 years old
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Lisa Mitchell had a lot on her plate
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Lisa and her common-law husband had two
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children in the fall of 2012 she was
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juggling two jobs to try to make ends
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meet one of those jobs took her to the
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small rural community of Longview
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Alberta about an hour's drive south of
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Calgary
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on weekends Lisa was a waitress at the
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Twin Cities hotel and saloon it's the
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place to go for the charm of a small
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town Cheers
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the kind of place where everyone knows
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your name that October the hotel was
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preparing for a big Halloween bash
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she needed a quick costume said I didn't
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know I had to dress up mom it's a
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Halloween it said it's a Halloween party
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at the bar so it was actually one of my
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mom's outfits it was a one-piece
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jumpsuit like like purple and white
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sparkles like a disco thing so she yeah
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she dressed like that
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Peggy lives in Longview and recommended
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the part-time job at the saloon to her
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daughter I work part time at the bar
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because that's how you get to know
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people in the small town right you don't
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want to go there all the time but yeah
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you can serve him in a cold
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on October 27th 2012
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Peggy joined Lisa for the party people
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would comment like every time Lisa and I
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walked into the bar they're like oh my
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god you know you look so much alike
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it was one of the best nights Peggy
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ever spent with her daughter it was so
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much fun yeah we were dancing we were
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laughing it made me smile it was a
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inside feel good to see you out having
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fun and we partied after till about 3:00
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in the morning we got home and she ended
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up staying the night here
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we were up by about 9:00 the next
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morning and we were just hanging out
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having coffee and talking and there's
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about 11 o'clock or so we were gonna
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make a brunch but a phone call
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interrupted their plans Lisa told her
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mother she was urgently needed at home
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they hugged goodbye and said they'd chat
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soon Lisa hopped in her truck and headed
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north to Calvin
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Peggy was blindsided by what happened
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next
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she does better
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two days went by without a single word
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from Lisa Peggy
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started to worry I left her voicemails
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yeah you know on my cake where are you
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haven't heard from you call me right and
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I think I sent her a couple texts like
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haven't heard you know what are you
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doing or is everything okay
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so I drove to Dallas place and yeah
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knocked on the door and yeah didn't know
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what to expect and he opened the door
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and I asked him where Lisa was and he
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said she took off she left he said that
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they were having a discussion the Monday
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I think he said she attend a Moute to go
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get cigarettes and when he came back 15
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to 20 minutes later he said she was gone
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the first thing I noticed as I looked to
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my right and is there a front hall
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closet and I saw her her shoes her
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favorite shoes and her jacket and then
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it's October
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where would she go without her favorite
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jacket shoes and I said I want to see
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the rest of the house and I went to the
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house and there was a few of her
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personal things I didn't see her purse
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but I saw a lot of her jewelry that she
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would normally have on if she left the
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house she had a Phoenix necklace you
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know a leather wristband type thing
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there are certain things that she wore
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when she left the house and they were
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still there but I didn't see her
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that's when Allen explained that after
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she left Lisa sent him an email he
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suggested she might have sent Peggy one
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as well maybe that would lead to some
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answers so Peggy went home and checked
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her email and there was an email there
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you know just had to get away you know
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we'll be in touch love yet Peggy
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couldn't believe it she struggled to
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accept Lisa would just pick up and leave
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they emailed back and forth for a few
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weeks but there was never enough
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information in those messages to
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alleviate Peggy's worries she slept with
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her phone beside her bed but when that
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call finally came
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Peggy missed it she was asleep it was a
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couple weeks later on the 16th I get to
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45 in the morning I got a voicemail she
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said I'm okay sometimes things get out
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of hand sometimes he takes a while I
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can't remember the whole thing and but
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I'm okay but the conversation ended
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where she said okay he's home I got to
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go
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like who's home and why do you have to
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go so you think in your mind is she with
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someone controlling is she chained up in
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a basement somewhere you know you've
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heard of that right and yes they did
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controlling him much why can't you have
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a conversation with your mom like who is
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this person that you're with but it just
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didn't sound right coming up after the
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break things weren't adding up was there
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foul play or had she just taken off
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Maggie decided she needed to go to
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police
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Lisa's case was now being looked at by
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Calgary police she was still considered
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a missing person but that didn't make
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sense to her mother who knew it wasn't
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in Lisa's character to just take off we
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now return to Nancy Hicks with the
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disappearance of Lisa Mitchell Lisa was
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the youngest of Peggy's two children
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from a very early age she expressed
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herself through art she started drawing
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when she was four she was a lot into
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anime with Sailor Moon and Dragonball C
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and those types of
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yeah she could draw a motorcycle from
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memory in explicit detail Lisa also
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loved music in high school that is when
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she met her friends from they formed a
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girls singing group and dance they you
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know make their own videos they were
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called just cuz see you said after high
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school Lisa worked at a lot of grocery
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stores and coffee shops and at one point
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she worked for a mobile snow cone
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company she would work selling snow
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cones at different events that included
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concerts which allowed her to meet some
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of her favorite bands Nickelback was
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playing so she was done her work and she
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was just you know working her way to the
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front like she always does and she ended
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up talking to this lady there and it
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turned out that it was Chad pokers mom
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so I've got a picture of her upstate you
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know on stage at the autograph table
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sitting behind the table between Chad
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and Lisa talked about that moment for
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years it was not long after that she met
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Allen shy back
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she was at her restaurant somewhere
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northeast Calgary and he was one of the
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sous chefs or one of the cooks there my
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husband at the time and I didn't didn't
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like him we didn't think he would be
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good for her because she was so up going
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and so vivacious and he was more
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introvert Lisa fell in love with Allan
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but as her mom predicted their
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differences
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soon caused a rift in their relationship
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right from the beginning he would get
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upset if you know she won no because
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like I said she just wanted to be out
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there and have fun and he would get a
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little bit of you know upset because I
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said he was more of an introvert but
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they worked it out and Lisa said we know
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this is who I am
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things were better for a while but
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eventually the same old issues popped up
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again and I got a call from her she had
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come home from work and he had moved out
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on her and taken everything so at that
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time I was separated my husband sold me
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and my current husband Jay said okay
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we're on our way and we rented a vehicle
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and went up there and I asked her at
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that time because I know one of the
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things he had taken was her guitar
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and I said you know what did he take
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that meant the most to you and we'll get
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that back and she looked at me and she
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said my heart after five years with Alan
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Lisa moved in with her mom she even
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started dating again during that time
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she was gone alkane pal found where I
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was and said he was sorry but what
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happened he wanted her back
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he showed me a an engagement ring he had
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bought for her and I said you know she's
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she's moved on she's in Toronto with
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so-and-so so you know you got to talk to
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her right and a couple weeks later when
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at least I got back then yeah
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they got back together it wasn't long
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after that they started a family first a
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little boy then just over two years
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later they had a girl we would talk
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three or four times a week and I
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remember she said the power was out in
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their house so they had to barbecue
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their meals and one time something else
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did in her oven didn't work so she made
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cookies in a frying pan for the kids
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like it was always for the kids
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Alan works as a cook or sometimes as a
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mechanic but Peggy said he had trouble
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keeping jobs
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Lisa would take care of the kids during
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the day and then go to work at night so
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I would be there during the day and Al
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would come home from work and he'd
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always be you know I'm tired
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and meanwhile she's been looking after
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the kids all day she's made supper and
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all he wants to do is just sit in bed on
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the couch he was always too tired to
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play with the kids to help her in the
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kitchen at that time and yeah and then
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you see the the yelling started a little
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bit because she would just get
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frustrated because she had to get ready
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to go to work and she couldn't do
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everything the relationship took a turn
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for the worse and Lisa told Peggy
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the fights turned violent you can tell
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them your thoughts and you could try to
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guide them and support them but she knew
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at any time that we would take her in
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right even at one time we said bring the
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kids out here and live with us that was
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in July 2012 he said you can live with
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us right that's when I got her the
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part-time job at the hotel said it's a
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start
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after a decade together Lisa felt
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obligated to try to work things out with
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Alan so that's what they did they moved
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in to a new place in southeast Calgary
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I was hoping that they could be better
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and because she felt good about herself
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she was happy but at that time too she
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wasn't she sure was with Elle when she
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was happy like he didn't make her happy
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just went down - when Lisa left her
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mom's house that morning after the
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Halloween party
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Peggy thought everything was fine we
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hugged each other and she went up the
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door and I saw she had parked her truck
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down the street and that's the last I
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saw after the break the investigation
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into what happened to Lisa was ramped up
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as the evidence began to point to foul
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play we now return to Nancy haste and
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the disappearance of Lisa Mitchell
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constable Carl sudoc was working with
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the Calgary Police missing persons unit
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when Lisa disappeared he was assigned as
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the lead investigator on the case Lisa
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was still out there as far as everybody
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knew so we had to kind of follow through
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and see okay where could she be who
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could she be talking with why would she
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want to leave her family first thing is
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just talk to people who are close to her
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find out what her movements are find out
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where her banking is try and track her
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banking you know if we could try and
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find phone records just get a feel for
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where she's supposed to be who she's
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supposed to be with and what her
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lifestyle was like what stood out -
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sudoc were the emails from Lisa - both
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Peggy and Alan yeah it was very
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confusing the Lisa wasn't sure she
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wanted to be there so she was dating
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other men at the time which added
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another level of complexity trying to
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find out who she was dating because some
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of these people that she was dating and
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talking with were not in Calgary which
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kind of fit the story of her leaving
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Calgary and going away with someone else
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that I believe the emails and the
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voicemail had said but every possible
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lead was a dead end
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there was a cursory search done of the
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house the officers took a look through
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just to see if anything looked out
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ordinary if there have been signs of any
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sort of violence the house from what I
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understand from their notes was it was
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clean it was organized except the
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basement there was just a bunch of junk
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piled up which you look at half the
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basements in Calgary looks pretty much
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the same
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it appears Lisa had in fact just picked
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up and left investigators needed to find
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out if Allan had any more information
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that could help them track down Lisa
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we interviewed Allan just to get him
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into a story of exactly what happened
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I'd asked a senior and a homicide
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investigator to sit down and have a chat
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with them someone who's very very
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experienced in interviews and can pull
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the information out that we need to
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follow through because right now at
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least it was just a missing person and
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it's not illegal to be missing on
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January 29th 2013
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Allan was interviewed by Calgary police
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homicide detective Dave sweet Reese's
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common-law husband opened up to sweet
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about their rocky relationship
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sometimes pushing guy asked you were you
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the observer or were you the abused you
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were the abused he said since then they
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had come to an agreement they were going
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to put the past behind them and work
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together for their kids had their
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relationship in such an on-and-off thing
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for over the 10 years he looked like he
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was beat down he looked like it was one
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of those things like okay she's finally
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left me so what do I do
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it seemed police had hit a dead end
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Lisa had vanished without a trace
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it was right about that time that a
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change in the law allowed constable
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sudoc access to some of Lisa's private
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information which could help them track
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her down they needed to find Lisa so
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they could rule out foul play and a
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change in the missing-persons act in
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Alberta opened up some new investigative
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avenues at that time you could get the
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tax records so we were able to see who
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she smoked with and what she was
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speaking about she had spoken to a lot
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of people so we had to go through and
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talk to every one of those persons to
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see if they've heard from Lisa if she if
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they she was with or if they were with
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Lisa at the time because she had an
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online dating profile at times she was
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dating people so we were talking to
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people that she had dated a couple of
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those people were there was minimal
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information about them so we didn't know
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who there were there was one guy with a
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very generic name and the number came
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back disconnected so we thought okay
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that's something we can look into
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because all of a sudden this person's
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disappeared and Lisa was having a
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long-term conversation with her so we
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have to find him and interview him
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officers continue to investigate but
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there was still no sign of Lisa months
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turned into years Allen needed to move
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on and build a life without her Allen
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was working hard to build a happy home
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for his kids
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[Music]
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coming up after the break Lisa's mother
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needed answers police hoped an appeal
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for help from the public could spark a
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break in the case the months turned into
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years and still no answers but police
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didn't give up we now return to Nancy
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hexed with a seemingly small detail that
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led to a major break in this case a plea
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for help tonight from the family of a
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missing Calgary woman Lisa Mitchell
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disappeared without a trace
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Nancy Hicks report Mitchell's mother has
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so many unanswered questions questions
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police have tried to answer but so far
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have no good leads
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sometimes I go to bed at night and I
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just wonder if she's warm comfortable
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happy not knowing not knowing it's the
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worst a few weeks after that story aired
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police announced a break in the case on
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December 6th 2014 more than two years
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after Lisa Mitchell disappeared police
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found her body
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lisa mitchell had been in their home all
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along it took investigators an
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incredible amount of time and resources
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to be able to uncover the truth remember
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that phone calls to Peggy the one she
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got when she was asleep that call turned
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out to be key evidence in the case we
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were able to get the phone number that
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that had called Lisa because I asked
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Peggy for her phone records it didn't
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show up because it was a private number
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it was registered with a kind of one of
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those page she go type phone companies
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the phone was purchased in Calgary but
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registered in Edmonton there were only a
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handful of calls made for two Allen shy
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back and one to Peggy Mitchell on the
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surface that sounds about right
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after all Peggy did receive a call
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except that Allen told us he never heard
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from Lisa after the emails which stopped
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coming on November fourth something in
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Allen's story is not making sense so as
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far as we can tell he's lied to us for
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some reason
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we don't know his involvement we don't
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know why but now we have evidence that
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there's more to Allen than what we're
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hearing that took the investigation in
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an entirely new direction the fact Allen
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did not disclose the full truth to
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Detective sweet changed everything now
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we have a criminal investigation now we
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have foul play
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crime analysts are able to map out cell
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communications in this case the cell
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ping showed where the caller was when
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that voicemail was left for Peggy in the
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middle of the night it was down the
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street from Allen's house so which means
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that if Lisa left that message for Peggy
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she was either in Allen's house or near
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Ellen's house now that it's a criminal
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it's a crime I can use the full power of
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the Criminal Code to request Allen's
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phone records find out where he's been
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for the last few months
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get his bank records find out what he's
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been spending his money on do those
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sorts of things and investigate to see
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how was Allen involved and was he really
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involved it turned out Allen had been
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doing a bit of shopping in the days
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following Lisa's disappearance so the
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banking records provided us at the
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stores he went shopping at him out he
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paid him so from that I was able to go
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to each of those stores and request a
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copy of the receipt for that transaction
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he went shopping for a large plastic tub
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cat litter
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bleach gloves cement mixing bucket
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and a four by two foot piece of plywood
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well he didn't have a cat so the cat
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litter was kind of a red flag Peggy had
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told me that he was deathly allergic to
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cats and also there was a cash
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withdrawal from Walmart at that same
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transaction for $40 the cell phone used
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to contact Peggy was a $39.99 cost for a
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three month or one month use that was
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bought at a Walmart those are not normal
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things that you purchase III don't
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purchase her the normal person would
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purchase so why I went out and actually
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purchased those items just so I can see
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exactly what they were I went and
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purchased the same SKU and I brought
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them back to my co-workers and missing
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persons to homicide and said what do you
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guys think and they all said that's a
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burial kit the police still didn't have
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the proof they needed to find her body
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or make an arrest during this time Alan
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she vac was just going about his normal
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life he didn't realize he was a suspect
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and while he was at work investigators
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took another look around his house
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the house looked like any normal house
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he had pictures of him and the children
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and beasts up in the walls the computers
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were mirrored so I didn't know what was
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going on back because I had to be
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analyzed and we took a look at the
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basement and in the basement was the
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bucket the plywood the bleach the gloves
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and and a large built out cement
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construction in the corner of the
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basement that was covered with boxes
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police were careful not to move anything
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they didn't want to tip shy back off
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that they were on to him they still
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needed more evidence investigators
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needed to come up with a way to get him
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to confess and that's when they decided
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to do an undercover sting dubbed
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Operation Aurora that was the major
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crimes investigative technique to the
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friend Allen and find out what happened
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it was a mr. Baig sting a tactic used in
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a lot of major crimes investigations
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police sometimes create fake criminal
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organizations and the suspects confess
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to a crime boss or mr. big
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but that scenario wouldn't work in this
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case well that was a troubling part
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balanced on a criminal he had no
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00:26:43,089 --> 00:26:49,209
criminal past he had no he wasn't your
546
00:26:45,730 --> 00:26:50,829
biker he wasn't your gangster he wasn't
547
00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:53,170
even your shoplifter they were able to
548
00:26:50,829 --> 00:26:55,329
befriend Alan through non criminal means
549
00:26:53,170 --> 00:26:58,019
so the undercover guys were very
550
00:26:55,329 --> 00:27:02,429
creative and finding ways to get out
551
00:26:58,019 --> 00:27:04,410
we worked on arranging babysitters so we
552
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:06,900
could help him come out and you know
553
00:27:04,410 --> 00:27:09,840
hang out with the guys there was a lot
554
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:12,720
of time and effort put in to making the
555
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:15,029
undercover operation work we came up
556
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,769
with a scenario where Alan was taken out
557
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:18,930
of town you know work with these guys
558
00:27:16,769 --> 00:27:22,579
hang out with them where we were
559
00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:22,580
prepared now to search his house
560
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Alan shy back went on a trip to Winnipeg
561
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:31,230
and that's when police turned up the
562
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:34,650
heat you won't make a feel a lot of
563
00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:36,089
pressure so we wait until Alan's with
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00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:37,830
one of our undercover operators and
565
00:27:36,089 --> 00:27:39,869
there's a phone call made where
566
00:27:37,829 --> 00:27:41,369
Detective sweet kind of explains what's
567
00:27:39,869 --> 00:27:43,319
happened now it's a criminal
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00:27:41,369 --> 00:27:46,439
investigation and that we're going to be
569
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:48,679
searching his house and kind of leave it
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00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,680
at that
571
00:27:49,099 --> 00:27:54,079
Allen was in a vehicle with an
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00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:57,200
undercover officer when Detective sweet
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00:27:54,079 --> 00:28:00,109
told him his house was being searched I
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00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,659
was told he stopped breathing for a
575
00:28:00,109 --> 00:28:04,908
second he turned white he started
576
00:28:02,659 --> 00:28:07,309
getting clammy sweaty I began to
577
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:09,590
hyperventilate and had to have a
578
00:28:07,308 --> 00:28:11,119
cigarette Allen gets out of the truck
579
00:28:09,589 --> 00:28:12,230
the undercover operator gets out of the
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00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,939
truck with him they have a smoke and
581
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:15,940
Allen actually tells us what happened
582
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:23,778
investigators made an arrest in the case
583
00:28:21,159 --> 00:28:26,389
Allen Sri BAC was charged with
584
00:28:23,778 --> 00:28:30,398
second-degree murder and causing an
585
00:28:26,388 --> 00:28:30,398
indignity to Lisa's body
586
00:28:35,298 --> 00:28:42,450
four and a half years after Lisa
587
00:28:38,038 --> 00:28:46,230
disappeared in April of 2017 shy back
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00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:49,519
stood trial graphic details of the case
589
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:52,558
were revealed in court it turned out
590
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:55,160
Lisa's body had been hidden in plain
591
00:28:52,558 --> 00:28:55,160
sight
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00:28:57,710 --> 00:29:04,350
next on crime beat dramatic details of
593
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:12,690
the undercover operation would soon come
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00:29:04,349 --> 00:29:15,149
to light for nearly two years
595
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:18,690
police work to solve Lisa's case and
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00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:21,480
what they needed was a confession to get
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00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:25,350
that they used a covert police technique
598
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:28,079
a mr. big sting operation here now is
599
00:29:25,349 --> 00:29:32,639
Nancy Hicks with the conclusion of the
600
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:35,069
disappearance of Lisa Mitchell as any
601
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:39,480
major crime there's somebody who can
602
00:29:35,069 --> 00:29:45,259
help him so the undercover up here knows
603
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:45,259
a guy who Alan's met before who has
604
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:50,879
talents and abilities who could possibly
605
00:29:48,210 --> 00:29:53,250
help him out in this situation Shai vac
606
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,160
went to an apartment where he met with a
607
00:29:53,250 --> 00:30:21,679
man he believed could help him evade
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00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:21,679
arrest the reality
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00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:26,009
[Music]
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00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:51,288
shy back opened up to mr. big and told
611
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:53,690
him about the tumultuous relationship he
612
00:30:51,288 --> 00:30:57,019
told the officer the day after the
613
00:30:53,690 --> 00:31:25,610
Halloween party in Longview Lisa arrived
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00:30:57,019 --> 00:31:28,190
home and they started arguing back said
615
00:31:25,609 --> 00:31:31,509
the fights continued when they got up
616
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:31,509
the following day
617
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:45,800
I came Lincoln when it was a couple of
618
00:31:44,089 --> 00:31:50,419
nursing bujjamma what was buried
619
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:52,730
everything sold he did shy back said
620
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:56,300
they were in the kitchen when things
621
00:31:52,730 --> 00:32:41,329
took a turn for the worse he said Lisa
622
00:31:56,299 --> 00:32:46,930
had a chef's knife in her hand he
623
00:32:41,329 --> 00:32:46,929
decided he had to make Lisa disappear
624
00:32:48,069 --> 00:32:53,409
[Music]
625
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:53,409
two or three times out
626
00:32:54,808 --> 00:33:01,329
while shy back was confessing police
627
00:32:58,089 --> 00:33:04,149
were busy searching the house constable
628
00:33:01,329 --> 00:33:06,939
sudoc needed to find her body and they
629
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:10,690
needed to do it carefully so they didn't
630
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:13,000
destroy evidence so we consulted with UC
631
00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:15,640
archaeologists how do we ask invade how
632
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,069
do we bring it down do we spend days we
633
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,600
spend weeks and then ultimately it came
634
00:33:18,069 --> 00:33:21,399
down we just start bashing away its
635
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:24,668
cement until we find her and then make
636
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:27,400
the plan or go with plan a B or C so we
637
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:28,960
cleaned the basement out the good folks
638
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,750
at homicide were more than happy to come
639
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,179
out and help me break the cement away
640
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:35,950
and with air hat or chisels and hammers
641
00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:37,990
we were able to break it down to the
642
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:41,200
point we found a large Rubbermaid
643
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:43,390
container in the cement and we opened it
644
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,940
up and with their releases remains in
645
00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:49,690
cat litter and salt or soft water salty
646
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:52,929
Lisa was placed in a plastic tub in the
647
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:55,509
fetal position she was covered in salt
648
00:33:52,929 --> 00:33:57,730
and cat litter and the tub was
649
00:33:55,509 --> 00:34:00,788
duct-taped shut
650
00:33:57,730 --> 00:34:03,788
shai vac used a door to create a mold
651
00:34:00,788 --> 00:34:07,210
around the plastic tub and then poured
652
00:34:03,788 --> 00:34:10,898
cement overtop the container in tuning
653
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:13,119
her it was cracked and he used the
654
00:34:10,898 --> 00:34:15,309
bleach and cleaner to clean up from time
655
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,869
to time and he banned the children from
656
00:34:15,309 --> 00:34:19,690
going downstairs into the basement
657
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:23,440
police found air fresheners all over the
658
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:26,858
house to try to hide any smell shy back
659
00:34:23,440 --> 00:35:01,710
tried to cover off every angle that
660
00:34:26,858 --> 00:35:06,639
could lead investigators back to him I
661
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:08,559
just lay on the old model because I
662
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:13,989
access your email accounts in South
663
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:18,699
America the phone call I have included
664
00:35:13,989 --> 00:35:21,358
the voice packs those together voicemail
665
00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:29,679
was her voice I like to try and help
666
00:35:21,358 --> 00:35:32,318
make sure that she was gone police
667
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:34,629
enlisted the help of an audio specialist
668
00:35:32,318 --> 00:35:37,989
from their tech crimes unit and were
669
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:40,300
able to find the calls he used to splice
670
00:35:37,989 --> 00:35:42,309
together the voicemail
671
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:45,880
he had been tracking Lisa's
672
00:35:42,309 --> 00:35:47,320
communications for some time leading up
673
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,250
to her disappearance
674
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,240
he put stalker wear on her on her phone
675
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:54,099
so every time something would happen
676
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,599
with her phone the information would go
677
00:35:54,099 --> 00:35:57,250
to an email account or a storage area
678
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,199
that he had set up so you can go through
679
00:35:57,250 --> 00:36:01,539
and review all that a forensic
680
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:05,199
examination of Shai Beck's laptop
681
00:36:01,539 --> 00:36:08,409
revealed a history of online searches in
682
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:12,569
the weeks and months after Lisa vanished
683
00:36:08,409 --> 00:36:15,039
in December 2012 he googled how body
684
00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:18,610
decomposition is affected by various
685
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:21,670
things such as salt lye concrete lack of
686
00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:24,150
air and lack of insect activity similar
687
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:27,970
searches were done in April and May of
688
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:31,180
2014 along with other queries on murder
689
00:36:27,969 --> 00:36:33,879
legislation in Canada the state of
690
00:36:31,179 --> 00:36:36,549
decomposition made it difficult for the
691
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:39,670
forensic pathologists to examine Lisa's
692
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:44,650
body but determined she died as a result
693
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:45,369
of probable manual strangulation during
694
00:36:44,650 --> 00:36:48,519
the trial
695
00:36:45,369 --> 00:36:51,940
shai back testified in his own defense
696
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:54,550
in every confession he gave shy back
697
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:57,220
maintained he killed Lisa in
698
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:59,440
self-defense he said that he was
699
00:36:57,219 --> 00:37:01,059
defending himself against Lisa again he
700
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,260
was there Lisa was there
701
00:37:01,059 --> 00:37:07,630
Lisa's now dead the court found the act
702
00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:10,420
of holding his hands around Lisa's
703
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:14,440
throat resulting in her death was not
704
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:17,320
self-defense however the judge said she
705
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:21,010
had a reasonable doubt that he intended
706
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:23,080
to kill her Alan she vac was found not
707
00:37:21,010 --> 00:37:25,720
guilty of second-degree murder and
708
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:30,329
instead convicted of the lesser offense
709
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:34,329
of manslaughter he was also convicted of
710
00:37:30,329 --> 00:37:37,269
interfering with her remains in court
711
00:37:34,329 --> 00:37:40,059
shavax said he was deeply sorry for what
712
00:37:37,269 --> 00:37:43,090
had happened he was sentenced to seven
713
00:37:40,059 --> 00:37:47,079
years in prison five for manslaughter
714
00:37:43,090 --> 00:37:49,300
and two for indignity - Lisa's body but
715
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:52,650
the prosecution wasn't satisfied with
716
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:55,990
that sentence and filed an appeal
717
00:37:52,650 --> 00:37:59,410
Alberta's top court pointed to shy backs
718
00:37:55,989 --> 00:38:02,319
deception he led Lisa's family to
719
00:37:59,409 --> 00:38:05,589
believe she was alive and hold out hope
720
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,289
she might return the Alberta Court of
721
00:38:05,590 --> 00:38:12,250
Appeal found the original sentence was
722
00:38:08,289 --> 00:38:18,909
unfit and increased his overall sentence
723
00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:22,500
by three years the what-ifs have
724
00:38:18,909 --> 00:38:25,089
replayed over and over in Peggy's mind
725
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:27,519
what if she would have done a more
726
00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:31,450
thorough search of shai max home that
727
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:34,269
day when she confronted him what if she
728
00:38:31,449 --> 00:38:37,509
had done some snooping around any one of
729
00:38:34,269 --> 00:38:41,259
the times she visited the home and slept
730
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:43,240
over while caring for her grandkids but
731
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:46,720
then okay if you take that what if and I
732
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,389
would have done that maybe they wouldn't
733
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,299
have gotten
734
00:38:47,389 --> 00:38:53,329
as good as they did yeah things happen
735
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:55,550
for a reason sometimes right like one of
736
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:57,650
the officers in the end apologize for
737
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:58,940
saying you know didn't truth will they
738
00:38:57,650 --> 00:39:02,480
tell me what they were doing because
739
00:38:58,940 --> 00:39:06,679
obviously he couldn't and I had said to
740
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:11,090
him I said but you gotta it doesn't
741
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:13,579
matter took a two years you got Peggy's
742
00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:16,460
life forever changed when her daughter
743
00:39:13,579 --> 00:39:19,819
disappeared every day
744
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:21,010
she thinks of her and the day her body
745
00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:24,820
was found
746
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:28,340
Peggy's life took another dramatic turn
747
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:32,000
she's now raising her two grandkids
748
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:36,230
Lisa's children when this all happened
749
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:41,210
December 5th they find Lisa a week later
750
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:45,710
we buried her and a week after that so
751
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:49,460
within two weeks we had kids total
752
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:52,190
life-changer uh yeah hits my close to
753
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:53,449
retirement age I am raising a 10 to 12
754
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:57,349
year old yeah
755
00:39:53,449 --> 00:39:59,750
but they they bring life back this time
756
00:39:57,349 --> 00:40:01,849
yeah you know I can't take you swimming
757
00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:04,340
today or yeah I do have 20 minutes to
758
00:40:01,849 --> 00:40:07,610
read a story with you or we can have a
759
00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:11,090
movie night that just it's different it
760
00:40:07,610 --> 00:40:14,460
makes you well it's made us take a
761
00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:17,240
second look and really enjoy life
762
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:19,349
that's it back there was one point that
763
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,769
her daughter wanted to hear her voice
764
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:25,400
because she was very young I believe she
765
00:40:22,769 --> 00:40:28,380
was three when her mom disappeared
766
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,630
and it was a couple years ago she had
767
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:35,430
said to me she says grandma I don't
768
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:41,278
remember my mom's voice it's a hard day
769
00:40:35,429 --> 00:40:43,288
huh so I said okay I've got some VHS
770
00:40:41,278 --> 00:40:48,239
tapes and she's like we don't want to
771
00:40:43,289 --> 00:40:49,859
PHS and I pulled them out because when
772
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,838
Mesa was in the dance troupe with just
773
00:40:49,858 --> 00:40:52,650
cousin her friends they made their own
774
00:40:51,838 --> 00:40:55,230
videos
775
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:58,950
we sat here on a Saturday afternoon and
776
00:40:55,230 --> 00:41:01,798
we watched all her videos from her dance
777
00:40:58,949 --> 00:41:04,889
works and her Just Cause days with her
778
00:41:01,798 --> 00:41:07,259
girlfriends and in these video she was
779
00:41:04,889 --> 00:41:11,699
singing she were dancing she was talking
780
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:13,740
and they were just just amazing yeah we
781
00:41:11,699 --> 00:41:17,338
spent a whole afternoon just crying
782
00:41:13,739 --> 00:41:19,699
laughing and it was really good it was
783
00:41:17,338 --> 00:41:22,500
what she needed
784
00:41:19,699 --> 00:41:25,649
but along with remembering the good
785
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:29,278
times come questions about where their
786
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:31,769
parents are they know at first we were
787
00:41:29,278 --> 00:41:34,409
allowed to tell them that their mom's an
788
00:41:31,769 --> 00:41:36,568
angel and their dad is with the place
789
00:41:34,409 --> 00:41:39,058
and that's all we're allowed to say for
790
00:41:36,568 --> 00:41:44,519
the first few years but over the last
791
00:41:39,059 --> 00:41:47,099
few years they know that their dad did
792
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:50,420
something to make their mom die and that
793
00:41:47,099 --> 00:41:50,420
is why he's in jail
794
00:41:50,759 --> 00:41:57,190
the older the kids get the more
795
00:41:53,768 --> 00:41:59,949
questions they ask and Peggy knows it's
796
00:41:57,190 --> 00:42:02,619
only a matter of time before it they
797
00:41:59,949 --> 00:42:05,498
want to know exactly what happened to
798
00:42:02,619 --> 00:42:08,740
their mother we do have the hard copies
799
00:42:05,498 --> 00:42:12,730
of newspapers and one of the the
800
00:42:08,739 --> 00:42:15,518
pretrial transcript so we have hard
801
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:17,949
copies for them but you wind when do you
802
00:42:15,518 --> 00:42:23,068
bring that up and her daughter just
803
00:42:17,949 --> 00:42:26,949
brought some some stuff up in a few days
804
00:42:23,068 --> 00:42:28,509
we were throwing rocks at the river we
805
00:42:26,949 --> 00:42:30,848
went down there for a few hours and
806
00:42:28,509 --> 00:42:32,980
she's just picking him up and Chuck in a
807
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:34,660
minute and she says grandma you know
808
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:38,858
this is I'm getting rid of some of my
809
00:42:34,659 --> 00:42:40,719
anger I said why do you have that much
810
00:42:38,858 --> 00:42:44,318
anger at your young age you know you
811
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:46,209
can't carry that and she goes I'm glad
812
00:42:44,318 --> 00:42:51,179
my dad's in prison for what he did to my
813
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:54,608
mom and but she didn't go into detail
814
00:42:51,179 --> 00:42:55,879
and I said throw more rocks get it out
815
00:42:54,608 --> 00:42:59,369
before we go home
816
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:02,920
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Peggy loves that Lisa's legacy will
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always live on through her children how
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how much of Lisa do you see in them
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every day every day I mean she was very
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outgoing very extroverted loved to have
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fun but in a good way
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she was an awesome mother she adored
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those kids they were the light of her
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life and her kids will carry that off
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her son remembers a few things but they
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knows that he remembers having fun and
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that she made him smile and feel good I
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mean he was young she was just she had a
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spirit that keeps living on in them in
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February 2000 nineteen just over six
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years after Lisa's death and just a few
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years into his 10-year prison sentence
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she back was granted a parole several
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months later sex toys were found in his
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room at a halfway house and he admitted
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he had paid for sex at a massage parlor
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on more than one occasion the parole
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board found he was deceitful and revoked
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his day parole
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chiman was sent back to prison
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