All language subtitles for Hart To Heart s01e03 Kelly Clarkson.eng

Today's anecdote.
I love to give life anecdotes,

and this one here is a doozy.

Guess what, if you're not wrong,

you could be right.

What I'm saying is...
(chuckles)

go to Japan
every once in a while.

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Oh, man. Today's show
will be another amazing one.

And this one here

is a multiplatinum-selling
recording artist.

I mean, God,
we got three-time Grammy winner,

an Emmy winner
for her daytime talk show

and, guess what,
a judge on "The Voice."

I'm talking about none other
than Kelly Clarkson.

-Come on, Kelly. Come out here.
-(laughs) That was the best lead-in ever, man.

-That's an anecdote.
-(laughs) That was amazing.

I give out-- I give out
my little life anecdotes.

I-I love going to Japan.

Oh, man. You know what?
I've never been.

-You haven't?
-I just say that. I have not been to Japan.

-You would love it.
It's-it's really cool. -Well...

-Well, then don't tell me
about it, because I'm-a go. -Okay.

-I am a firm believer...
-Okay.

...great conversations happen
over a glass of wine.

So, on my show...

-Okay.
-...well, wine is the center of focus.

-And I have a sommelier. Right?
-Okay. I'm a firm believer

-in free wine, so bring it on.
-Well, guess what.

-Guess what,
you're gonna have some today. -Okay.

-Where's-where's he at?
Come on, champ. -(chuckling)

Come out here!

We about to get it.
Ooh, what we drinking?

Mr. Hart, something different
for you today.

Man, what we got?

2017 cabernet sauvignon
from Spring Mountain.

Man, don't-- You better not
give me no cabernet s-sauvignon

-from Spring Mountain.
-It's-it's cab today. Red fruit. -(laughing)

-Black fruit. Bold.
-You better-- you better not give me

-no bold red fruit, black fruit.
-Ms. Clarkson?

-I'm... (laughs)
-Huh? You better not.

You better not give me no bold
red fruit-fruit, black fruit.

-Not today.
-(laughs): "Red fruit, black..."

-Huh? Not today.
-Today. -White fruit, blue fruit.

Ooh! That's a cabernet
sauv-sauvignon from...

-2018.
-(laughs) -'17, Mr. Hart.

-'17. That's what I said.
-'17. (laughing)

2017. It's a cabernet sauvignon.

-There's a black fruit.
-I'm ready.

-Huh?
-I have done a wine tasting

-with you.
-Both enjoy. -HART: Yes, yes.

-We have!
Thank you so much, man. -We have.

-You're very welcome.
-Thank you! -Always appreciate you.

Hey, man, we might go--
we might go seconds and thirds.

-Here we go.
-I'm ready to go.

-All right, my guy.
-We-we might go.

-He's holding my hair. Okay?
(laughs): I'm, like... -Uh...

This is a cheers to you
being here. Thank you so much.

-I love you.
-This is why...

I literally wanted to run in
yelling, "BOP, BOP, BOP."

-(stammers, chuckles)
-And "How many cheeses, Jerry?"

-I-I love you.
-"How many cheeses? Jerry.

-How many cheeses, Jerry?"
-Your stand-up is so awesome.

This is our second time
with wine.

-Yes.
-I came on your show.

Do you only like to hang out
with me when you're drunk?

-'Cause it was so happening?
So... (laughs) -No. But I didn't get drunk.

-I didn't get drunk.
-No, we didn’t.

Uh, and we-we drank.
But today we can actually--

We can get lit, if you want to.

-No. I have to take care
of children after this. -We can.

-Do you?
-The-- You don't have to. You choose to.

-You could...
-Well, I'm single now, so...

-I'm the only adult
in the house. -You could-- you could...

-You could leave 'em there.
-Well...

-A little bit.
Not-not a long time. -(laughs)

-They'll be fine.
-Not a long time. Just a little bit.

They're-they're crafty.
(chuckles)

-This is a good cheers
to you, okay? -All right. Cheers.

Mmm.

All right, Kelly.
Here's the difference.

-You have a talk show.
-That's good. Okay.

Uh, on your talk show,
you interview people.

-All right? And you do
an amazing job of it. -Yes. Oh, thank you.

That's why you've been nominated
for an Emmy, et cetera.

Here, I don't follow
the talk show format.

-I follow a conversation format.
-I love that. Mm-hmm.

So there's no prep.
There's no, like...

-I love that.
-There's nothing that I have that's like,

"Oh, my God.
We got to get at this.

-We got to dig."
No, it's just dialogue. -Yes.

-Open conversation.
-I love that.

-So, with then that
being said... -Yeah.

-...let's have a good time.
Let's have a good one. -Okay.

Because there's a lot
that I want to know,

and I feel like
I can leave this conversation

with a better understanding
and education as to who you are.

I'm amazing,
so you're gonna love this.

-Well, then I'm-I'm prepared
to be amazed. -(laughs) Yeah.

Uh, first things first.
I mean, you got a Bronco.

-You drove a Bronco over here.
-I did. I d--

Uh, Dr. Quinn. That's her name.
She's forging new paths

in the Western territories.

-(laughs)
-You call the Bronco

-Dr. Quinn?
-Yes.

Are you-- Have you
always been a Bronco lover?

-Or you just wanted to get that?
-I love it.

Actually,
my friend Matt had one.

Um, we were growing up, and
he would take me mudding in it.

-And I thought it was
the coolest thing ever. -Mm-hmm.

And when you're poor, basically,
that's what you do

when there's-- you have
no money. You just go mudding.

-Go mudding. Yes.
-Uh-huh. And there's nothing to do,

um, and you can afford gas.

And I loved it.
I thought it was so fun.

So, for my birthday
a couple years ago, I...

-I bought it for myself.
-I had a Bronco.

-I recently sold it.
I had a 1966 Bronco. -Oh.

-Same shape.
Uh, same-same design. -Ooh.

-Like, literally, top off.
Everything. -Yeah.

-Why'd you get rid of it?
-Because it was such a hard jump

-in and out.
-You know what? I got the thing.

-I'm five-three. I got the step.
-You got the step?

-Yeah.
-But is it-- But does it come down

or you still got to work
to get to the step?

No, mine,
it comes all the way down.

-Yeah, mine-mine...
-Yeah. Now, I will say, I came today in heels.

I don't generally travel
in heels,

-so that was a little...
-The jump out.

-Yeah.
-The jump out for me. When my kids laughed at me,

I was like,
"I'm getting rid of this shit."

-(laughs)
-I-I'm dead serious. I had it.

And I was like, "Oh,
come outside. See my new truck."

And I had it.
I jumped in and jumped out.

They was like,
"Dad, that's too big for you."

I was like,
"I don't like this no more.

-I'm taking it back."
-Well, my other thing

is an F-250. It's a truck.

So, you're a truck--

-You are a truck fanatic?
-I do.

I like electric, too,
um, but I-I do--

I love going...
(chuckles)

I love going to, like, nurseries
and Lowe's and things like that.

-I love gardening, and I love...
-Okay. Well, first of all,

nurseries and Lowe's.

-Like...
-No, nurseries, like, for-for gardening.

-Yeah, yeah.
Not, like, for babies. -Okay. You just confused me.

-I was like,
"What are you talking about? -No, no.

"You're going to nurseries
for babies?

-I ain't got no babies now.
-"Hanging out?

-What are you doing?" Okay.
-No, no.

-All right. Yeah.
-Just dropping hints everywhere.

-(laughs) Any takers?
-"Hey, guys!

"Hey, guys! I'm back!
-Yeah. (laughs)

-Good to see you all again."
-Anybody? Takers? No.

No, like, I just planted
an apple tree.

-Mm-hmm.
-And I plant, like, fruits

-and, like, flowers and...
-My wife is getting into

the whole green thumb thing.

It's really good for you
and everyone.

-My kids do it, too, now.
-Little bit of truth?

-'Kay.
-She's killed every single plant

she's brought in that house.

Little bit of truth?
I've killed two.

But that was because
I didn't realize--

-'cause I'm-I'm new...
-Mm-hmm.

...but, like,
you can't water everything

as much as I was watering
everything.

Well, isn't it about finding the
right position for the plant?

-It's about getting
the plant's... -And the sun--

-how many hours.
-...personality.

-Talk to the plant. Make sure
the plants are truly nurtured. -(laughs)

-Checking the dirt.
Not just putting water. -I don't do that.

-Like, she's really into it.
She does it all. -Okay.

I've seen every plant die.
I'm still supporting it.

-"I've seen ev..."
-I still support her.

-That's supportive. I like it.
-Yeah. I'm-I'm learning,

-as a husband,
to support, no matter what. -Just...

-Well...
-And-and, keep in mind,

coming in, these plants
don't stand a chance.

-(laughs)
-I know it. But I still say,

-"Baby, good job. Good job."
-You know they're goners.

-Have you ever planted anything?
-No.

-No, it's not my thing.
-You would never do--

Even when you were a kid?
I feel like, when I was a kid,

like on-- We took field trips
to, like, plant trees,

'cause it was the whole thing
about, like, the ozone layer.

-Like, we...
-Kelly, where do you think I'm from?

-No. I'm just saying, like...
-We didn't have plants.

-I w-- What?
-We didn't have dirt and grass.

Well, I grew up
in two different areas.

So, the beginning of my life
till I was, like, 11,

we didn't have that either.
But whenever I moved, we-we did.

-What we had is--
You know when cement cracks? -Yeah.

-I grew up with that, too. Yeah.
-And then grass accidentally grows

-in between it? We was like,
"Ooh, look at that, right there. -"Look!

-Look at that dandelion."
(laughs) -"Look at that thing.

-Look at that thing
right there." -Make a wish.

-That's it. That's what we had.
-Yeah.

Uh, where are you from?

-I'm from Texas.
-Okay.

-I'm from two...
-Hence the trucks? Is that where the truck...

-the truck love comes from?
-Um, no.

I mean, I never really drove
a truck when I was in Texas.

-Mm-hmm.
-Um, but I-I just like a truck,

because, a-after being married
to someone--

I'm now divorced-- but
after being married to someone

that was-- you know, was--
I figured out, gah,

you can carry everything in it.
Like, if you go to the store...

...you don't have to,
like, have it shipped.

You don't have to--
You can just get it yourself,

-and I like that. So...
-The throwing in the back of a truck.

-Anything. Okay. I got it.
-Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I grew up in trucks,

as far as, like, people,
yes, all around me

and my stepfather had a truck.
Everybody had trucks.

But I didn't.
Um, but I-I also grew up

in two very different
neighborhoods.

-But all in Texas?
That happened... -All in Texas.

-All in Texas, okay.
-And-and literally minutes away.

-Like, they're-- Like,
30 minutes from the next... -Got it.

-And...
-Texas is a bunch of small t-- random towns.

Mom-Mom? Dad?

-Together? Not together?
-I was with my mom.

No, I didn't grow up with
my father. I didn't know him.

-Really? At all?
-No. I mean, well,

what I, you know, do know
isn't great.

Um, there are some songs
about it, but... (chuckles)

But, um, no, I didn't--
I didn't grow up around him.

And, um... and my mom remarried,
like, years later.

She was single for a while,
and then she-she remarried.

-So, no relationship at all
with Dad? -No.

-None at all? Okay.
-No. No, which, actually, I'm finding,

um, even last night, Kevin,
in therapy,

which is my issue.
(laughs)

'Cause there's no bar.
If you don't--

If you're not shown that bar
at a-- at a young age,

you don't know,
like, partner-wise,

what really to look for,
and I-I thought I did.

So, when you say "bar," you're
talking about the example of...

-Yeah, there's no, like,
how you should be treated... -Got it.

...how-how a relationship
should look like. -Yeah. Yeah.

Like, all of that, so...

-Wow, that's dope to-to,
like, say. -Yeah.

-You know, to...
-Yeah, I have no filter when it comes to that.

I mean, I have a filter in the
sense of, like-- you have kids--

-so, like, some stuff I keep
private, like, for them. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

But, um, I think,
unfortunately--

I mean, statistically,
a lot of us go through it.

* *

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Your relationship with
your mother, I'm assuming, is...

-Are you guys close or-or no?
-We're, like-- W-We were--

I mean, we were, like, I guess,

o-okay-close, like, growing up.

It was more--
She worked all the time.

-Mm-hmm.
-That's where I get-- Everybody's always like--

-I have, like, five jobs.
I love working. -Which you do.

-I know.
Well, my mom works a lot, too. -Yes.

And I loved that,
because I did see...

I never got
that whole experience

where women have to stay home
and cook and do whatever.

I never-- Like,
how women talk about that.

I had a mom that,
like, busted her ass

and, like, worked every--

-any job she had to
to put food on the plate. -Mm-hmm.

Like, she was a single mom
for a little bit

and then, um...
and then remarried.

And then saw her
in that relationship,

which-which was a difficult one.

So, um, you know,
I-I don't know.

I'm really-- I think my mom--
I don't know about you,

-but I feel like my-my setup...
-Same.

kind of prepared me
for this industry.

-I swear to you, identical.
My mom was... -Y-Yeah.

-Take away the marriage.
My mom and my dad never married. -Yeah.

-Interesting.
-They were together. Then they just stopped at, like,

a crazy young age

and maybe tampered
with the possibility

of getting back together.
It never happened.

My mom kind of shut him out.

But my mom was always, you know,

-a job plus another job...
-Mm.

...plus school, trying to
further her mind and education.

-My mom, too. She put herself
through college. -She was-- she was always...

-bop, bop, bop.
It wasn't just one. Yeah. -"Bop, bop, bop."

-And that's not intentional.
That was a real... -(laughs) Yeah.

-That was a good plug though.
(laughs) -She was-- she was always

back-to-back-to-back-
to-back-to-back.

-Yeah.
-So I do know for a fact

-that's where I got my hustle
in life from. -Yeah. I think so, too.

I think-- And it's
actually an interesting question

that I ask people
in the industry a lot

and, like, just friends,
like, if I'm out.

I'm-- I don't know--
Like, 'cause every person I know

-that's really successful
in the industry... -Mm-hmm.

Not-- I mean, everyone
that I personally know.

Not that this is
everyone's story, but...

I think you've had to experience
some kind of grief

-or loss or struggle or...
-Absolutely.

...to-to be able
to emote whatever song... -Hardship.

-Let's call it "hardship."
Mm-hmm. -...to be funny onstage,

to be able to really tap
into that.

Because I think behind comedy--
I don't even know

if you know this,
but I was a cocktail waitress

at a comedy club.
That was one of my first jobs.

But I-I learned though--

It was interesting to see
that a lot of comedians--

very funny, charismatic,
bubbly onstage--

-then the club shuts down
and we're all counting money... -Dark. Dark.

...we're doing stuff,
and not all of them... -Dark.

...but a lot can go dark.

And I don't think that they're
necessarily going super dark.

I think they go quiet,
because they've had to--

-You have to give
so much energy. -Well, you cut it on.

-You got-- you got to switch,
so... -Yeah. But it's like performers.

-It's the same thing.
-It mirrors more than you even know.

-Because, you know, there's...
-Yeah.

It's like-- it's like the story
of the dressing room, right?

-Yeah.
-The reason why that dressing room exists

is because,
before a performance,

the performer has
to have a place

where they can go to prepare

to cut that thing on.

And some people really got to go
through a dramatic shift

in personality, in mood,
in whatever,

to go, "Okay, now I'm ready."

Some people don't.
Some people can go.

Some people can entertain,
be loose

and then still go
and do what they do.

But there is a switch
in all of us

from the person that we are
in show

-and the person
that we are out of show. -Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And-and it's learning
to balance.

I think, you know,
for a lot of us,

it's about understanding

how to navigate correctly
with that balance.

-And I don't know about you,
but, for me... -Balance is hard.

...it was a discovery.
H-How did you deal with that,

-uh, in your career?
-Ooh, I hit bottom.

And it was from
after a performance at Irvine.

I hit, like, a real low.

And it was because I didn't know
that balance.

I didn't know
that that room was for me.

-You know?
To have my own little space. -Mm-hmm.

I always let everybody in.
I'm very inclusive.

-Mm-hmm.
-I'm, um, not great at boundaries.

-Everybody's pulling.
Everybody's pulling. -Every-- Yeah, yeah.

And I just didn't
know that I could say no.

I didn't know--
I didn't want to be difficult.

I didn't want to be-- Especially
as a woman, like, you know?

So I didn't want to be perceived
as bitchy or difficult

-or whatever.
-What-what age were you at around this time?

Is this fairly early
in the success train

-of Kelly Clarkson?
-This is, like, heyday.

-Yeah. This is, like...
-And I think that is--

God, I'm such a walking cliché.

It's-- It is
al-always in our heyday.

So, like, it's always--
It's always that story

of everybody thinks it's hitting
and it's going so well and...

And it's, you know,
knowing how to handle that.

And especially at 19,
like, being the boss

-of grown men and women
around you is, like... -Yeah.

And having to make
those decisions.

And especially being raised
that, like,

you respect your elders.

Never say anything other
than that.

-Absolutely.
-Like, and-and you can't, like, tell them what to do.

-Definitely. So it was
a hard thing to navigate. -But, also, yours...

yours was, like...

-You were truly thrown... in it.
-In it.

-Yeah.
-Like, you-- Because what started off as an audition,

as a shot in a million...

Which we thought was a joke.

-Like, you know...
-What do you mean? What do you mean,

-"which we thought was a joke"?
-We all thought it was kind of a jo--

I mean, we didn't think
it was gonna come of anything.

Like, we were the first season.
of "American Idol."

So we-we were there
for that paycheck

that AFTRA or SAG gives you
to, like, pay for some bills.

Like, you know, nobody knew that
it would actually come to fr--

-anything would come
to fruition. -Mm-hmm.

You know?
That's what everyone hopes,

but that doesn't usually happen,
you know?

So, um, I-I don't know. It--

We-we got thrown into it.

I will say, I am thankful
for that, at the same time.

-Mm-hmm.
-Because I think I skipped the surreal part,

like, of, like...

it really doesn't matter to me
in the best sense.

Like, it matters, but, like,

it-it matters
for what the worth I give it.

-Mm-hmm.
-Like, it-- Like, I love what I do and I love singing

and I love, um, you know,

what you're able to do
with your spotlight,

but I think because I skipped
all that so fast

and I was thrown in,
there was no time

for people
to really drill me on,

"You have to do this.
You have to be this.

-You have to..."
You know what I'm saying? -Mm. Mm.

'Cause a lot of-- It's so funny,
'cause people used to think

that you're manufactured,
coming from one of those shows.

Well, I actually worked in
the industry before that show.

-Mm-hmm.
-And they-- I got told to change my sound,

my weight, my look,
my whole vibe.

Like, everything. They-- I mean,
that was manufacturing someone.

-And-and...
-How-how long-- how long were you working...

It was right after high school.
I was, like, 18 and 19.

-Um, those years. And, um...
-Okay.

And it was... it was hard,

'cause, you know, I was like,
"That's not worth it."

It sounds like--
just from hearing you talk now--

you had a...
idea of a foundation.

-Yeah.
-It sounds like you just had a strong idea

of a hold that-that you
were comfortable with having

on yourself and your choices,

-where...
-Well, I think if you grew up poor though,

-you're like, "Look, I've been
there and I was fine." -You hit the bottom.

-"What-what else--
what else can you do?" -Yeah. "What are you gonna do

-to me?" Yeah, yeah.
I was like... -"What else can you do?"

And then-- I don't know
if you've had this--

but I've had people throw
millions of dollars in my face

to do something
I didn't want to do.

And... What?

Just shh.
You've been offered-- Yeah.

-Oh. They're in the room.
-I'm-- Yeah. I don't want to...

-(laughs) Yeah.
-I don't want to--

-That was my way of cueing you.
-Shh. Yeah.

-Like, it's open dialogue.
-Yeah. You want me to keep talking

-about it then?
-By-by all means, let's--

We can talk about anything,

-but...
-(laughing)

-But don't do it.
-Yeah, I just...

-(stammers)
-So just shh.

No, of course.
Uh, offered tons, man.

But I've-- I got to a place
where I understood

that the dollar...
that the dollar

shouldn't shift my will or want.

-Yep. Or happiness.
-Like, I don't want that to control

what my journey or destiny is.

And the reason why is because,
at one point, it did.

Do you ever get money guilt?

Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, from where you grew up.

Like, people you grew up around.
And then y-you

-get guilty,
like, "Man, I made it out..." -Mm-hmm.

...or "I-I made it and I did it
and..." Do you ever feel that?

-Humbly speaking...
-Yeah.

-I don't feel guilty
about what I've... -That's amazing.

-...what I've bust my ass for.
-I know.

I shouldn't either, but I do.
I-I'm getting better at that.

But that's the thing,
that I-I start getting...

Why would you feel guilty?
Why would that...

'Cause I know
a lot of talented people

-that could've been in my shoes.
-Mm-hmm.

That could've been doing
what I'm doing.

And I think that talent
and busting your ass

has a lot to do with it,
but I also do think

a-aligning of the stars a bit,
for some of us.

-Absolutely. Absolutely.
-Yeah, so...

I don't do it as much.
In my 20s,

that was really
a difficult thing for me.

Well, like you said,
something lined up.

Everything made sense
that allowed you to move

the way that you move
and get to where you got to.

You can't feel guilt about that,
because you getting there

opened up the doors
and made it easier

-for the stars
that are about to come... -Yeah.

...to-to come through.

Like, your-your path and road--

-think about it.
-Mm.

"American Idol."
The first season.

-Yeah.
-That first season, y'all came out and banged.

And it was,
"Oh, my God, the world loves

this discovery of new talent."

-Well, now,
season one through... -They did not.

-(chuckles)
-Season one through--

-Yeah, they did!
What do you mean? -No, they didn't.

Oh, my God, it was horrible.

-The first two to three years...
-Really?

...of my career were very hard.

-Why?
-There were some nice people, but, no, there were

a lot of pe--
Well, think about it.

I mean-- devil's advocate--
is a lot of people didn’t see

any of the work we put in
before that show.

-Mm-hmm.
-So they think, "Oh, you just auditioned

"for a talent show,
then you won it

and then everything was
magical fairy dust after that."

When you say "a lot of people,"

-give me, give me a specific...
-I'd say 90%.

But give me a specific of where
you're gathering that from.

-Is this-- is this like...
-Like, being at award shows.

Like, be--
I mean people in the industry.

-Okay. All right. So we're
talking about the industry. -Yeah.

-Yeah. Not the...
-So you felt like you guys were judged.

-Not the fans, no.
-So you felt like the industry judged you

-because of the platform
that you came through. -It was very hard.

Yeah. And I wasn't apologetic
for it.

I was like,
"Look, that's the door."

That was my door.

Like, and I would gladly walk
through it again.

* *

* *

Don't you feel--
or do you feel--

-'cause I don't want
to speak for you... -Yeah.

...that your body of work

started to justify

the decision that was made
on that show

for you to be what you were?

Like, as you started putting out
albums and music and...

Well, it's interesting
that you say that,

because I don't feel--
I feel like, um...

-uh, God, higher power,
whatever you believe in... -Mm-hmm.

...I feel like...

(stammers)
that entity knows

that I work well under pressure.

I push myself more
when people are pushing back.

-Mm-hmm.
-I don't know what that means to my therapist out there.

But I just...
(chuckles): But-but I-I think,

-because of that, I go harder.
-You go harder when you know that you're being doubted.

-'Cause I'm like, "What?"
-You're being challenged. "I'm gonna step up more."

-Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yes.
-Okay.

But, also, I think
what you're talking about--

coming out of the fog--
I think you can't be surrounded

-by yes people with that.
I think you have... -Absolutely not.

...to be surrounded by people
that'll call you out

-on your shit.
-Well, my friends don't like me.

-(laughing)
-So I think that's a-- that's a very...

-So...
-If you want to know the key--

-you want to know
the key to success? -(laughs): Yeah.

-Get friends
that don't really like you. -That can't stand you.

-(laughing)
-Yeah, that-that, every once in a while,

-you catch just looking
at the side of your face... -Yeah.

...thinking, "I'll punch you
in the face, Kevin."

You're like, "Man,
what you thinking just now?"

That's what your family's for,
Kevin. (laughs)

That's-that's the circle
that I have around me.

-(clearing throat)
-Um, here's-here's a good question.

Are-are you a grudge holder?

-Are you a person that's...
-No. I wish I would. (laughs)

-You over-love? Okay.
-I over-love.

Um, I am extremely forgiving.

And not to, like,
toot my own horn on that.

I mean in a bad way. Because
sometimes I forgive so much

that I just keep taking
instead of--

And then you--
It's not very compassionate

to let people get away with
being something that's not good.

-Got you. Got you.
-You know? It's a compassionate thing to go,

"You're kind of being a dick
right now.

-Like, you should
probably not do that." -Mm-hmm.

And I'm so forgiving and I take
on and I take and I take and...

and then there's the day
and moment where... (laughs)

-Where-where...
-(mimics explosion)

-Yeah.
-(chuckles) Yeah.

Are you a, uh...

closed circle or open circle?

Like, can-can people
get into Kelly's circle?

I'm very inclusive, yeah.

-Really?
-I'm-- Yeah, I'm-I'm--

-I-I will say...
-Even at this point in your life?

Yeah. I will say,
there are, like...

You get new friends
at this point in your life?

Yeah, but I-I think
those are generally--

Because I think acquaintances

-can still be considered
those friends. -Mm-hmm.

Like, you can run
into each other and,

you know, whatever,
go to dinner, go to lunch

and you don't have
to hang out all the time.

I think 'cause we're all too old
for that. We have kids.

We have, like, lives.
We have... (stammers) jobs.

But-but I do have
a select group of, you know,

I don't know, six to eight
really close, like, people,

whether it's family, friends,
um, you know, whatnot,

-um, people I work with. Yeah.
-That's a good number.

Six to-- That's a good number.

-I'm-I'm saying, like...
-Yeah.

-I have a lot of friends though.
-...a new person comes in your life,

and it's like,
"Oh, this is a nice person.

-We should go out to dinner."
And then we build... -Yeah.

"Oh, my God, this is, like,
a new close friend of mine."

-Yeah.
-At this point, I don't-- I don't have

the capacity for that.

Well, it's not
even the capacity though.

-It’s time, right? We have kids.
-I don't have the time.

-I don't-- There's no shot.
-Yeah. We don't-- Yeah.

-I don't have the time...
-I don't think there's any shame

in that, and I--
and I also think

that there's also a season
for certain friendships.

I think that there's--
I think, um...

-I like that.
-Somebody was just telling me about that.

We were talking about this
in my house, actually.

Um, and, um,
it was a friend of mine, Deb,

and she was saying, "I was
reading this thing called,

you know, 'Relationships
Can Come in Seasons.'"

I was like, "I've read something
like that, too."

And I think that it's so true.
I think people get offended.

But it's not. People come into
your life for a certain reason,

and you-you learn
from each other, you progress.

And they might move on.
You might move on.

Like, that might happen.
And I-I don't think

that there's any shame in that.
I think that that's just life.

I've never heard of that,
but I love that.

We both read it somewhere,
and we couldn't figure--

-Probably the same book
or something. -I-I love that.

-Yeah.
-Seasonal friends.

-Yeah. And it sounds bad...
-"Get out of here, fall!"

Now...
(laughs)

-"You were just for the fall."
-"I'm not ready, winter."

-Yeah. "Back off, summer.
-(laughs) Yeah.

-"I'm done with you.
-(laughs)

-I know. (chuckles)
-"We're done.

-Put the trunks up, Joey."
-It sounds bad.

-Yeah. (chuckles)
-But it really is true.

-I like that.
-'Cause we-we-- I mean, even thinking about my circle.

Like, even my band and I,
we were joking.

Um, you know, we were
on the road all the time.

-Mm-hmm.
-And now my band and I are on a talk show all the time.

So we don't-- we don't hang out
with the crew like we used to.

We're never around the crew
anymore.

Like, now we're around
the TV crew.

-Oh...
-So it's like-- Do you know what I'm saying?

You go and you-you end up
in different circles

because of happenstance,

-you know...
-We share so much synergy.

-Like, you know, me and my guys.
-Yeah?

-We were on the road.
We toured so much. -Mm-hmm.

So, you know, now you look up,

-tour life has slowed down.
-Yeah.

Things are changing.

You find yourself around,

-you know,
the-the production set... -Mm-hmm.

...and crew, and some of
the friends are a part of that

-and some of them aren't.
-And you want to invest 'cause you're there.

Yeah. So your-your time
gets divided.

And, like you said, things kind
of fade off every now and then.

And then you guys come back.

But our-our work

is trying to keep our-our thing
together.

-Yeah.
-Like, our-our day-to-day work

as friends that are truly close

is not allowing our...

our comfort at home,

-uh, to provide...
-Mm.

...or-or to place distance
in what we have.

-Yep.
-Because that can easily happen.

-Yep.
-When it's all wife and it's all kids,

you know, that day-to-day
gets different.

-And, you know, you...
-That's hard, too, right?

-You start to put distance.
-Coming off the road,

that's always a weird thing
for me.

Like, coming off the road,
and, like,

it's such a different schedule.

You're not even allowed
to go onstage or-or perform

or do anything until,
like, well after, you know,

-9:00 usually or 8:30, 9:00.
-Mm-hmm.

And then, you know, it's just
a different schedule all around.

And then you get home,
and it's like,

"Where's my day sheet?
Like, what is my schedule?

And, like,
why am I up this early?"

-You're so used to--
you're so used to this. -Yeah. It's--

You're so used to-- It's such
a hard thing to kind of--

to navigate, so...

-You...
-I do like the TV schedule for that reason.

* *

* *

Did you pick up
the-the talk show talent?

-Let's tap into this
before-before we wrap th... -What do you mean?

-The talk show talent.
Like, you, you know... -Do I pick it?

-Did you pick it up? In other
words, hosting a talk show... -Oh.

...you know,
was that something that you had

to really get comfortable with?

I will be honest with you.
Not just with the-the--

I feel very blessed in the sense
that I think a lot of...

just really unfortunate things
happened to me as a child

to make me feel so either
inadequate or just awkward

or weird that, like, by the time
I got to the industry,

even in my first interview,
like, on "Jay Leno"

after "Idol,"
I was really comfortable.

-Yeah.
-Like, I n-- I've never felt uncomfortable

because I'm just being me.

So even, like,
with the talk show thing,

I know that it's a different
thing than what I...

what I normally do,
what people see me engage as,

but I am the girl
at the dinner party

that is usually leading
the conversation.

-Mm-hmm.
-I love talking. I love finding out about people.

I love... I think
because I genuinely love it,

it-it became nat-- 'Cause right
after we finished the pilot,

I was like,
"Well, that was easy."

-I was like, "That was fun."
-Oh, my God.

You fall into the space of TV.

You find success
in the space of TV.

-Which is hard.
-Well, not only is it hard,

but, you know, let's just give
flowers when flowers are due.

Well, Kelly-- there's somewhat
of a golden touch.

Oh, my God.
Kelly equals success.

-Like, you're-you're starting...
-Not all the time.

-I didn't say--
I didn't say all the time. -No. (laughs)

-In this business,
let's just say from the... -Yeah.

-from the outside eye...
-Very blessed.

...that there's
a high level of success

that's attached to what you do.

And now... going to "The Voice."

-You touched on it.
You touched on it for a second. -Yeah.

I think that's
the dopest thing ever. Like...

I love doing "The Voice."

I-I think
it's the dopest thing ever.

And you said a piece of it.

And no matter what
I was gonna get here

-in our conversation anyway...
-Mm.

...but I like
how it's coming full circle.

-Me, too.
-I like the full circle side

-of you now,
as you were talking... -Mm-hmm.

...uh, like, as you were talking
about it before,

you were like, "Yo,
I get to give the information

-of what's gonna happen
because of this." -Mm-hmm.

"Hey, don't take this
for granted.

"This moment is big,
but here's what's gonna happen.

-But you got it.
Don't let anybody tell you." -Yep.

Like, you get to act
as a different,

-inspiring... voice.
-Well, and I get to be

what I-I honestly didn't have.

-What you didn't have. Exactly.
-There was-- there was-- There--

I would have loved that,
like, anybody to just text

and, you know,
just run something by.

-Mm-hmm.
-Um, it's been really-- It's funny.

We were talking about this,
actually. Um, Brynn and Deb.

Brynn is my first-- Uh, the
first season I did "The Voice,"

-season 14, she was my--
the winner of that. -Mm-hmm.

And she was on my team, and
she's actually staying with me

right now, she and her mama.

And, um, I-I mean, she--
It's so funny.

I met her at 14 years old,

and she's about to turn
18 years old in my house.

And I'm just--
Just being able to be--

Like, she was--
just performed on my show,

-and I'm just in tears,
like, every time I see her. -Why-why is she staying

-with you?
-She's got a release.

She's got an EP coming out.
And she's also writing in L.A.

with a lot of writers.
She's incredible.

Um, but she's just--
And just got into NYU.

-She's doing both.
She's balancing both. -You just opened up your doors.

-(stammers)
-Yeah, and she's-- Yeah, she's just--

-Yeah, they-they stay with us
when they're in town and shoot. -Wow. Wow.

Well, she's kind of like--
Her mom is--

I feel like we're separated
sisters, um... (chuckles)

Um, and her-- and-and she's kind
of like this little kid sister

but almost could be my kid, too.

Like, she's-she's just
a really amazing person.

And I love "The Voice" for that,
because I got to--

-I got to be a part of that.
Like, I got to... -Mm-hmm.

-I get to be a part of watching
this 14-year-old girl... -Mm-hmm.

...like, completely flourish
and become who she's gonna be.

-And...
-More importantly, you get to be to her

-what you never had.
-I didn't have. Yeah.

-And it's really cool.
-That strong. That's strong.

Yeah. And it's--
and it sounds super cheesy

-and Hallmark-y, but-but it...
-It's not. What-- What is cheesy about that?

Well, I'm just saying,
it sounds like, you know,

an after-school special,
but it is really--

it is a really, um, beautiful
thing that's indescribable.

Whenever you know what
it's like to not have someone

-and to be able to actually be
that call or that text, yeah. -Absolutely.

What else do you want to do?

What else does Kelly want to do
in the business?

Um, you know,
I always wanted to do Broadway,

-but I don't-- but I don't think
that's gonna happen. -Really?

-Why?
-I-- Well...

-I-I-- Well...
-"Well. Well."

-(laughing): What is that?
-Um, I have a lot of jobs, Kevin.

-Mm-hmm.
-And, also, I-I just don't know

if I could do that to my kids
at this point.

-You know, they're-- you know,
they're in school and stuff. -Mm-hmm.

And I don't know if that--
But I don't know.

Is it, is it a-- is it a dream?

Or is it like
just "oh, this would be cool"?

No, I grew up
in musical theater, so I--

It was a-- it was definitely
a big dream for me forever.

I think, once I had kids,
those kind of change.

They alter. But it was
definitely a dream of mine,

um, to-to do something.
That's how--

I don't like acting,
but I love theater.

Like, I love--
Because I know it's acting,

but it's-it's one take.

I love the live aspect.

-Just like tour. Just like
you're doing a special. -Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm.

Like, I love
the live aspect of it.

I don't like doing a movie
or whatnot.

You have to-- you have
to be a different level of good

when you do what you do
and you're in movies

and you do, like, 50 takes
of the same feeling.

Um, I don't like that.
But I-- but I like the one...

the one take of it. I think
that there's something beautiful

and special about it, because
then every night is different.

-Mm-hmm.
-And I think that that's cool.

* *

* *

Are you a homebody
when given the opportunity?

-Yes. Mm-hmm.
-Yeah?

I used to be... Like, in my...

(stammers) As a teenager,
in my 20s, I was everywhere.

Literally,
I'd go to Europe on a f...

just on the fly, like, just--
And I-I'd do anything.

And I think watching my mother
um, just struggle so much,

and I feel like she didn't get
to do a lot in her 20s.

-My-- I lived my 20s up.
-Mm-hmm.

Like, I went everywhere
I wanted to go.

I hung out with--
I-I seized every opportunity.

Even if the vacation was--
ended up weird,

I still was like, "I did it."
Like...

So, I think, at this point
in my life, I'm 38 years old.

-I have two kids that I think
are freaking awesome. -Mm-hmm.

And now I'm playing wolf pack
in the backyard with them.

-(chuckles): Like...
-That's the best.

Yeah. So it's just different.

So I'm more of a homebody now.

-Motherhood.
I mean, of course... -Yeah.

-I-I hear you talking
about it now. -It's hard. Mm.

-Yeah.
-I can tell that you embraced it. But give me your perception

of, you know,
you from then to you now,

-dealing with kids and stuff.
What is that like for you? -Yeah.

Well, I don’t know about you,
but I didn't ever want kids.

-I didn't ever want
to get married. -Really?

-Yeah. No, I never wanted kids.
-You just popped two of 'em out.

My mom, still to this day,
will be like,

"So, you have children."
(laughs) Like...

'Cause you-you
really just didn't want kids.

-I was very much a gypsy,
like... -Can I have another one?

Uh, another glass of wine,
please?

Did-- (chuckles): Yeah.
I'm still working.

Um, no. I-I did. I didn't think
I'd ever have children.

-I didn't think
I'd ever get married. -Why didn't you want kids?

-Why?
-Um, I didn't want--

I-- Once again,
I-I think I saw my mom,

all that responsibility,
all of that on her,

and I just felt like
she missed out on a lot of life.

I just-- And I didn't want
to be selfish with that.

I really loved my career.
I didn't want to have kids

in my 20s.
I didn't want to do that.

And-and until I met
my ex-husband--

Like, you know, I met him,
and he already had kids.

-And I thought,
"Well, this is kind of cool." -Mm-hmm.

Like, I like doing homework.
I like going to do these things.

-And so...
-Wow. So you found the love based off of...

-I found that. So then I--
so then I'm so glad I did. -Wow.

It's the coolest thing. I don't
think you have to have children

to be fulfilled in life, but
it is the coolest thing ever.

-It's a different switch.
-It is.

-It's a different switch.
-And it's hard.

It is-- They are sponges,

and they will call you out
on your shit

-more than anyone on the planet.
-Absolutely.

But, um... but it's--
I don't know.

I-I-- It's-it's a wonderful
thing, and I-I love my timing.

-Mm-hmm.
-I-I think I loved how I timed it.

I didn't have a kid
till I was, like, 31.

And what's important at home?
Is, like-- is there--

Is family dinner important?
Is there-- is there a system

-in the house that you follow?
-Yeah.

Based off of what your life
wasn't when you came up,

-what have you put
into your life... -Yeah.

-...that-that is a clear change?
-No, that's interesting

that you say that,
'cause we weren't always able

to have that.
Like, we didn't have, like,

-family dinner time
or anything like that. -Mm-hmm.

So, um--
And then now I'm a single mom,

so it's definitely important
to, like--

I-I make them sit.
We do have special nights

on weekends, mostly, um,

where I--
we watch a movie while eating.

-Mm-hmm.
-Um, but, most times, I make us sit at the little...

breakfast table or whatever.

I'm big on the family activity.

I am the corniest dad.

-I am the cheesiest mom.
-I-I bet I'm cheesier.

-I bet you're not.
-I-I will-- I will...

-My son's birthday...
-Kelly, I will make a financial bet with you

-on "Hart to Heart" right now
that you cannot out-cheese me. -Dude.

I... I'm not sure.

What did you do for Easter
this year?

-Okay, in my defense...
-Okay, no!

-No! I already beat you!
(laughs) -Okay, listen. Well, no.

-I'm-a throw-- I'm gonna throw
my wife under the bus. -Okay, go.

-All right. I'm gonna throw
my wife under the bus. -And I'm gonna hop

-on top of mine,
'cause I was amazing. -I'm gonna throw my wife

under the bus. So, look,
for Easter this year...

Um, you know,
we have our youngest, Ori.

-Mm-hmm.
-Kaori is... seven months now.

-Wow.
-Zo, Kenzo is three.

Then we got 16 and 14.

So, Heav and Do are older,

-and it's more
about the family dinner, right? -Mm-hmm.

So, with the younger kids,
it was like,

"All right,
we're-we're gonna eat dinner.

We're gonna do, like,
a little brunch and dinner."

So we didn't really focus
on the egg hunt.

Last minute, my wife was like,
"You know what?

No, I got to do an egg hunt."

I literally saw my wife

grab six plastic Easter eggs

and throw 'em
like a hand grenade. (grunts)

She just threw 'em outside.
It was like,

"Zo, go get the eggs! Find 'em!"

I was like,
"That's not really a search."

-(laughing)
-He just kind of, like...

He clearly saw
where they landed,

and he was like,
"Got 'em, Mommy!"

And she was like,
"Good job, Zo!" Close the door.

-That Easter egg hunt was over
in seven minutes. -Oh. Oh, my gosh.

So, I didn't put the time in
this year.

-It's fine. You failed. Um, I...
-Okay. I did. I-- Damn it.

-Um, instead of having them
filled with chocolate nonstop... -Damn it!

-Okay.
-...I had little tiny toy gifts

and I tied balloons to each one
and they all--

they had-- both had
different colored balloons

and they had to go find
their balloons, like, in our--

-We have a pretty good backyard
for L.A. -Mm-hmm.

And, um... And so, yeah,
there were little--

So they didn't have just
a ton of sugar.

I gave them some sugar.
I'm not that mom.

-But I-- But they...
-Last time you guys all dressed up alike?

-Oh, we just dressed-- Alike?
-Alike.

-All the same.
-Well, we had similar colors.

We don't ever dress identical,

-but we have
similar color patterns. -Ha!

It's a Black family tradition

-to put on the same thing
at least four times... -(laughs)

(chuckling): ...in your--
in your-- in-in your...

-in your household.
-We did just take family pictures.

Okay. What was the family--
Give me a family picture.

We were in the backyard
and on a little picnic table.

-Okay.
-And it was very cute, with all the, like...

Have you ever seen
my holiday pictures?

Have you seen mine?

I do themed...
I do themed holiday pictures.

We have done that as well.

So, like, uh, our last...

Well, no, I'm-a tell you
the best Christmas one we did.

The best Christmas one,
I did a-a green screen...

-Wow.
-...photo shoot where we-we acted like elves.

-We all have the elves' ears
and stuff like that. -(chuckles)

And it was like
acting like we were ducking.

We did something like
we were climbing on a roof.

And they, like,
with the green screen,

in the photo,
captured us inside a snow globe,

-trying to escape.
-Oh, I love it.

Us, coming up and climbing
on top of Santa's roof,

-and we were all, like,
one by one behind each other. -You top me there.

Uh, on the roof, we were acting
like we were sitting

and our legs were swinging.

-(chuckles)
-We had someone sitting on a chimney.

But I like to be creative,

-and it pisses my kids off.
-Yeah.

-Oh, really?
-'Cause I-- 'cause I overdo it.

-Oh.
-I overdo it. Halloween.

-"All right.
What is it gonna be this year?" -"All right!"

-I get hyped. "All right!"
-(laughing)

We get into it, too. I had a--
I have a Halloween tree now.

-Like, not just Christmas.
-A Halloween tree.

Yeah, I put the tree up
that's for Christmas.

Then I-- we decorate it with--

They love
the-the scary, weird...

-What is--
"Nightmare Before Christmas"? -You decorate...

-How are children not frightened
by this movie? I don't know. -Wait. Wait.

So you decorate a Christmas tree
with Halloween decorations?

Yes, and then you take it down,
and then you put up

-Christmas ones.
-I've never heard of that.

No, ne-- me neither.
I started this year.

-I'm just-- I'm a trendsetter.
-Is this like a--

-So this is
a self-generated thing? -(laughs) Yes.

-You're not following,
like, a thing? -That was, like-- Well, my kids

are in love with "The Nightmare
Before Christmas."

Like, my son will ask me
to legit play the soundtrack

on the way to school.

-We have to listen to that.
-I-I love the...

the decorating the tree

-in Halloween stuff.
-Yeah.

We are always crafting.
We have an actual craft room.

-It's a playroom.
-Are you a big trick-or-treater?

-"Kids, let's go."
-We were until COVID.

-Okay.
-But, yes, we-we trick-or-treated every--

-Yeah. We were big-- Yeah.
-I like that. Kelly, I love that.

-I love-- I...
-I'm corny. Yeah.

-This is where-- This is why.
-And I dress up with my children.

-This is why.
-Yeah, and I spend, like, 20 minutes on their costume

-and an hour on mine. (laughs)
-Yeah. No, you got to.

-No, you-you got to bring it.
You got to bring it. -(laughs): Yeah.

-Mommy's gonna look amazing.
(laughs) -At the end of the day,

-fuck them kids. I'm gonna--
I'm-a look the way... -Yeah. (laughs)

-I-I'm--
Dad's gonna step out, too. -Yeah. (laughs)

-It's more about me
than it is about you guys. -They don't even want

-to do it. (chuckles)
-Um, no, I love that.

-I love--
I love that we share that. -Me, too.

* *

* *

-Give me your most traumatic,
like, stage... experience. -I...

I will say, um... Well, I don't
know if you've had this happen.

Have you ever gotten,
like, food poisoning

and had to go onstage?

-I shit on myself onstage.
-Oh, did you?!

-Swear to God.
-Oh, my God.

It almost happened
at Staples Center.

-I swear to God,
I shit on myself. -And once in Germany.

-I sh-- Watch this. Joey?
-Mm?

Where were we at
when I shit on myself?

-Oslo.
-Norway.

-Norway.
-Norway. We were in Norway.

Mine was, uh, G-- almost
Germany. Almost Staples Center.

So, you had almost? I-I want
to make this very clear.

-Let me-- let me-- No, let...
-There is no almost.

-Let me be clear.
-There's no almost.

What I did
to these trash cans...

-No, no, no.
-...is-is-is ungodly.

It-it--
I-I don't know what I ate,

but I was like--
I literally was like,

"If I don't walk
off this stage right now,

I'm going to shit myself in
front of thousands of people."

And that was pretty traumatic.
I was sweating.

-Mm.
-You shit yourself onstage?

-Let me give you a little
play-by-play here, Kelly. -(laughter)

-No...
-Uh, first of all, nobody shits themselves on purpose, okay?

-(laughs) Did you trust a fart?
Like... -Uh, you know, I was a--

-I was a firm believer--
I wasn't feeling well. -(laughing)

But the show must go on.
We're out of the country.

-I don't have time
to shut this show down. -Oh, my God.

-Oh, my God.
-We got thousands of people. I got 13,000, 14,000 people

-out there.
I can't cancel this show. -What?

I'm not feeling good,
but I'm-a soldier through.

I go backstage before the show.

I sit on the toilet
for about an hour,

-and I just sit there.
-Man.

"Please, God,
whatever has to come out,

-let it all come out now."
-Let it come out now.

-Mm-hmm. I've had that prayer.
-Granted, things came out. Right?

-I won't get too vulgar with it.
-Yeah.

-But I distributed.
I distributed. -I've been there.

(laughing)

Get the knock on the door.

"Mr. Hart,
they're ready for you."

-Are they?
-I hear my security.

"Kev! It's time to roll!"
"Cool."

I stand up,
look at myself in the mirror.

Got to be honest,
I wasn't looking too good.

-(laughing)
-I wasn't looking too good.

-I saw it. I saw it in my face.
-I knew it wasn't good.

-(whimpers)
-I was just like, "I look weak, whatever,

but I'm-a turn it on."

Uh, I get to-to the hallway,
walk to the stage.

-I hear the music and stuff.
Start to play-- say my name. -Are you sweating?

-Do you have the s...
-Lights hit me. I'm not sweating.

-I'm not sweat-- I'm not a--
I'm not a sick sweater. -Oh.

It's-it's a feeling.
It's all within.

-I'm all of it.
-Lights hit.

-Mm.
-Kelly, I turn it on.

-"What's up?!
Norway, what's going on?!" -Yeah. Yeah.

I'm-I'm in a groove.
Kelly, I am killing.

My sickness is a second thought.

-It's not even a priority.
-Back burner.

I get to my final seven minutes.

-Oh, my God.
-My final seven minutes.

I feel it.

I say,
"You got to be shitting me."

-And-and you did.
-I said. At this point, I'm talking to myself.

I'm talking to myself.
But, at the same time,

I'm talking to God.
And I don't argue with God.

-But this one,
we kind of had some words. -(laughing)

I'm like, "You got to be--
you got to be shitting me, man.

You done let me make it
this far?"

-I start rushing
through the bit. -Yes.

-I start--
My closer is a long closer. -Mm.

-"Yeah, man! That's what I'm
trying to..." (speaking rapidly) -(laughs)

-I'm spitting it out.
-You're like a-- like an auctioneer.

-I'm spi-- I'm spitting it out.
-(laughs)

-Kelly, it got to a point...
-Ah.

It got to a point where I said,

"There's no way
that I can make..."

I-I-- If I take a step,
it's gonna happen.

-Oh, my...
-And I made the decision, and I was--

-I remember looking
these people in the face. -(laughing)

I looked these people--
This was-- These people--

I looked these people
in the face.

I said, "Fuck it."

-(chuckles): And I just...
-(laughter)

I-I had, like,
a-a little trench coat on,

and I wrapped it
around my waist.

And after I wrapped it
around my waist, I said,

-"Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop."
I said... -(laughing)

I said, "There it is."
(chuckles) And I...

and I-I finished the show,
and I was like, "Good night!"

-And I walked off that stage.
-(whoops)

-Please tell me
you said "deuces." (laughing) -No.

I-I gave 'em deuce--
I gave 'em deuce--

-I gave 'em-- Deuces!
-Deuces!

I walked off that stage.

My security was like, "Good
show, man." I said, "Thanks."

He said, "What is--
what is that? You farted?"

-I said, "That's shit.
Get me to the bathroom, man." -(laughs)

-That's actual shit.
-Hey. I left...

-I left those jeans.
-Oh, my God.

-(laughs)
-And till this day, I know

that somebody that night
came across those jeans...

-In the trash?
-Yeah. I had my-- The jeans.

-Yeah.
-I walked out with just a jacket around my waist.

-No pants, no drawers.
-Wow.

And I-I went to put
some sweatpants on,

and I said, "Let's go."

-That was my...
-I was almost there, but that didn't happen.

-I-I ran off.
-Yeah. You ran off?

-Well, here's the difference
for me. -Did you close?

I-- No, and let me tell you
what I did.

I didn't run off. I was very,
like, professional about it.

I was like... And it was during,
like, a little inter-interlude

of the song where the band
was kind of playing anyway,

and I just kind of like, "Yeah."
Uh, beads of sweat

-and just kind of,
like, walked off... -(laughing)

...and then was just,
like, dead dash,

like, to the-- to the nearest--

Actually,
Germany was a bathroom.

And-and, yeah,
my-my makeup artist ran down.

She was making my hair on the
road. And she came in, she goes,

"What's the-- Oh, my God!"

-Oh, man. It's a horror film.
-(laughs): She was just, like...

I was-- I got sick.
Like, you can't--

-Like, what do you do?
-Nothing.

Like, and then, my band,

they didn't know what song to--

They didn't know
if I quit the music industry.

They had no idea what happened.
They're just left on the stage.

So you couldn't leave the stage.
There's no one else there.

-There's the awkward look
for you. -I left the stage

with the band there.
And they're just jamming.

So they come back-- I come back,

and my bandleader
didn't know what song to play.

So he just picked one
that-that-- you know,

out of the setlist,
that wasn't s--

just to, like, jam
until I maybe came back.

He didn't know
what was happening.

And he played this song,

and, um,
the beginning of the lyrics--

no shit-- are--

I came back onstage. I was like,
"Okay, I'll just pop in

"and I'll just start singing
like nothing--

"It was fine. I just went pee.
I'm so feminine

(laughs):
and-and dainty."

And-and so I walk back in,
and, literally,

the first lyrics out
of my mouth are,

"Looks like I made a mess
again."

-(laughs): I know. I was like...
-Oh, no. You can't write that.

-I was like, "What?" Yeah.
-You can't write that. You can't write that.

That's what it was.
It was "How I Feel."

-That was the song.
-Those are the opportunities

-that make us who we are.
-Yeah.

-Builds character.
-Yeah. Happened in Staples Center, too.

Everybody's cheering me on.
I feel like everybody

was cheering me on while
I was just destroying a trash--

They were like, "Kelly! Kel..."

Meanwhile, I-- me and
a trash can are going to war.

-I want to-- I want
to set the record straight... -Yeah.

...in Kelly's stomach
is weaker than mine.

-I had one.
I gave you one story. -(laughs) I had two in 20 years!

-I got-- I had one.
-In 20 years, I had two.

-Serial shitter over here.
Right? -(laughs) No!

-I had two!
-We got a s-- Yeah.

-And they were
different decades! -It doesn't matter.

-I'm just saying.
-Two is-- two is too many.

It was-- Yeah.

Well, you're
in different countries.

-You eat different things.
-I love it.

-I love
that we could talk about it. -Yeah.

-And that's what this show
is about. -Yeah. It happened.

It's about being
that comfortable.

I have been cheered on
while pooing.

-(laughs)
-(chuckles): Kelly. Kelly,

I want to cheers you.

-I love that we end with that.
-No, no.

-(laughs)
-Yes. What are you talking about? You don't--

-We don't follow that.
Where do we go from there? -You can't follow shit.

No, man. But I do want to say
I love you.

I admire you.
I appreciate you for coming on.

Yo, and I think
it's dope as hell

that you are
unapologetically you.

-Oh, thank you.
-At the end of the day,

you just continue to go
and grow.

That's what it should be.
That's what it always will be.

-I like you for the same reason.
-So, shine.

-There we go. All right.
-Shine. Good for you.

Kelly Clarkson, guys!
Show some love.

Oh, what an interview.
What a day, huh?

-Is there a trash can?
-No! Don't! Not here!

-Not here!
-(laughing)

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