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My son's killers were identified
13 years ago.
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I thought the killers
would just be arrested.
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Never expected getting justice
to be my job.
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Stephen's body was covered
in bruises and abrasions
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from being kicked and punched.
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There were two stab wounds, on the
right collarbone and left shoulder.
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We've found Stephen's blood.
Found it where?
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On Gary Dobson's jacket.
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We're looking at a 15-year game
of pass-the-parcel
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when it comes to exhibits.
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If I was the defence,
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I would be saying the blood stain
was the result of contamination.
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So why do you need me?
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Because forensics alone
won't be enough.
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The DPP has agreed
that we can charge Gary Dobson
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and David Norris
for Stephen's murder.
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I hope to execute the arrests
within the week.
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We're ready.
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DISTANT SIRENS
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OK?
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Yeah.
Yeah, just thought I should, er...
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you know.
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He's had a long wait.
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Today's the day.
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Today's the day.
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Let's get to work.
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The world and his dog knows that,
for the last five years,
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we've been investigating
young Stephen's murder.
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One of our suspects
is a definite flight risk,
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and if he gets a whiff
of what we're up to,
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he'll be on the first flight out
to Belarus.
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So, timeline.
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The targets themselves
are in two separate locations,
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so we need to synchronise
their arrests.
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Number one... is Gary Dobson.
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How are we gonna find him?
Yeah, yeah.
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He's, er, in Belmarsh,
doing a five-year stretch
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for trafficking
350Ks' worth of cannabis.
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To preserve
the secrecy of the operation,
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we won't execute the arrests until
he's out of earshot of the screws.
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Norris - bit more difficult.
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No fixed address.
He's been crashing at mates' houses.
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Currently residing in a room
above a pub in Greenwich.
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Once we pick him up,
we take him to Sutton nick,
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where there's a video link
to Camberwell Magistrates' Court,
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so we can get proceedings underway
as quickly as possible.
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So the boys at Sutton nick do know,
then?
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I'm glad you asked me that.
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Welcome to Operation Sirwoy -
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a highly sensitive action
against a Tamil drug gang
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operating out of East Ham.
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Well, we had to tell them something.
CHUCKLES
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Operation Sirwoy's targets
are Gurutither Dobaranga
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and Daaresh Nattar.
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GD and DN for short.
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Any questions?
Sirwoy?
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After Sir Roy Hodgson,
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who took Fulham FC
all the way to the UEFA Cup Final.
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You can be as indiscreet as you like
about Operation Sirwoy
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because, of course,
it doesn't actually exist.
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So, ladies and gentlemen,
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I'm gonna have to ask you all
to hand in your phones
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for the duration of this operation.
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Today, you'll be going out
to arrest Gary Dobson
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and David Norris on suspicion
of the murder of Stephen Lawrence.
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Good luck.
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INDISTINCT RADIO COMMS
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You coming with?
Thought you'd hang back here.
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If this goes wrong,
I'm gonna answer for it myself.
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What's this all about?
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Police! Open the door.
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CHAIN RATTLES
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Hands behind your back. Stand still.
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David Norris, I'm arresting you
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on suspicion of the murder
of Stephen Lawrence.
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You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence...
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..if you do not mention
when questioned
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something which you later rely on
in court.
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Anything you do say
may be given in evidence.
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This again? Sweet.
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For a minute there,
I thought it was something serious.
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The riot squad's a bit much, innit?
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Feel sorry for you.
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Wasting your time,
to be honest, mate.
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You could be out there,
chasing real criminals.
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Book him in, quick as you like.
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There's another one coming in
a minute, and I don't them to meet.
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So I suppose you won't be needing
the Tamil translator, then?
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Name?
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I'd like you to tell me how
Stephen Lawrence's hair was found
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on the jeans seized from
your bedroom on May 7th, 1993.
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No comment.
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I am asking you to account for the
presence of Stephen Lawrence's blood
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on a grey jacket
found in your possession
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at the time of your arrest.
No comment.
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Is there any account
that you can give us right now,
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so that we can go away
and prove your innocence?
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No comment.
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David Norris, you're charged that,
on the April 22nd, 1993,
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you did murder Stephen Lawrence,
contrary to common law.
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You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence
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if you do not mention now something
which you later rely on in court.
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Anything you do say
may be given in evidence.
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Do you have any response, Gary,
to the charge of murder?
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Nothing whatever. No comment.
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NEWS REPORTER ON THE RADIO
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BUZZER
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Done?
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Done.
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PHONE RINGS
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HE CLEARS HIS THROAT
Hello?
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'Mr Lawrence? It's Clive.'
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Clive.
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Oh, sorry.
I always forget the time difference.
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Is it...?
It's five in the morning. Go on?
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We arrested and remanded them
this morning.
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'We're going to trial.'
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Thank you, Clive.
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Now... Thank you.
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REPORTER: After a lifetime
of waiting,
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the parents of Stephen Lawrence
were in court today
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for the start of a trial of two men
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accused of stabbing
the Black teenager to death.
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REPORTER: What forensic scientists
found on clothes,
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including a bomber jacket and jeans
alleged to belong to the accused,
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Gary Dobson and David Norris,
is at the centre of this trial.
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The question facing the jury is how
the fibres and fragments got there.
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The prosecution case against
Gary Dobson and David Norris
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is that they participated in
a joint attack on Stephen Lawrence.
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This was a group
of likeminded young white men
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who acted together in
the execution of this attack as one
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on seeing two young Black men.
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The only discernible reason
for the attack
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was the colour of their skin.
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Members of the jury,
on the night of his murder,
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Stephen was wearing
a red polo shirt.
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Fibres from that shirt
were found on the clothing
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of both Dobson and Norris,
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and a human hair matching Stephen's
DNA was found on Norris' jeans,
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and a spec of Stephen's blood
was found on the collar
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of Dobson's jacket.
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The charge brought against
Gary Dobson
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is based on unreliable evidence.
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At the time Stephen Lawrence
was being attacked,
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Gary Dobson was at home,
at his parents' house.
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He is innocent of this charge.
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Now, the, er, papers in this case
are voluminous...
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..but the actual physical evidence
upon which this charge is based
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wouldn't fill a teaspoon.
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The truth is...
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that, in the 13 years preceding
this apparent forensic breakthrough,
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there were manifold opportunities
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for blood and fibres
from Stephen Lawrence
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to make their way
onto Gary Dobson's clothing.
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Members of the jury,
the simple fact is... Clive.
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..David Norris was not in Eltham
on the night of April 22nd, 1993.
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The clothing seized from his home
did not belong to him.
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He is entirely innocent of...
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Sure.
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Yeah, bye.
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It's Duwayne.
What about him?
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He's here, isn't he? He's on soon.
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He's here, he's here,
but... his dad died.
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Oh, God.
He passed away last night.
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We'll just have to reschedule,
won't we?
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Let me talk to him.
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DOOR CLOSES
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Here.
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Thank you.
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I wanna do this... for Steve.
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And you will, but, er...
take a few days, eh?
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I'm sure we can shuffle
things around. I'm here now.
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It's amazing that you are,
and we're grateful.
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But this is gonna be tough.
No.
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They've been let off the hook
for long enough.
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I'm ready.
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I heard a voice from my left,
so I turned.
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These guys were
running across the road.
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One of them shouts,
"What, what, nigger?"
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I was afraid, so I ran.
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I shouted to Steve to run.
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I thought he was just behind me,
but when I turned...
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..when I turned around...
EXHALES DEEPLY
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The jury should be aware
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that Mr Brooks' father
sadly passed away last night.
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He has chosen to give evidence
as planned.
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If you require a break at any point,
Mr Brooks...
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I'm OK.
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The group converged on Steve.
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When I looked back,
I saw one of the guys had a weapon,
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ran straight into him, and then...
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..wham.
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Just like that.
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What was the approximate size
of the weapon you saw?
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It was about this big,
and it was shiny.
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But then Steve jumped up,
so I was relieved.
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He caught up, and we were running.
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We were both running.
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Then he kept asking me,
"What's wrong?
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"What's wrong with me?"
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That's when I saw blood
was streaming out
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from around his neck...
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VOICE BREAKING:
..through... through his jacket.
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I'm sorry.
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We was running...
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..and Steve's blood
was dripping on the floor...
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Mr Brooks,
would you like to take a break?
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I can deal with this quite quickly.
No. No.
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DEEP BREATH
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I wanna say what happened.
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He kept saying to me,
"What's happened to me?"
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And I told him to just keep running
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because I was frightened that
the guys would come back round.
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He then said to me...
One last time, he said,
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"Duwayne..."
and his voice was all funny.
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And that's when he fell...
at the tree.
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Thank you, Mr Brooks.
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No further questions.
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MUFFLED CHATTER
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Mr Brooks?
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Um...
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..you did him proud.
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I hope it works.
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It's time we had some justice.
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Come on, Mum.
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He was asking questions.
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Who was?
Your brother.
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He was scared.
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He wanted to know what was
happening, and I wasn't there to...
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..to answer him.
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Mum...
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I wasn't there...
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to hear him, to comfort him.
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SHE SOBS
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REPORTER: The motive for the murder
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of the London teenager
Stephen Lawrence
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was set out in court today.
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It was, said the prosecution,
the colour of his skin.
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The jury heard how he was swallowed
up by a gang of white youths
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who had shouted a racist insult.
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Our crime correspondent Jon Clements
was at the Stephen Lawrence trial
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and heard today's evidence.
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BIRDS SQUAWK
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You searched Mr Dobson's bedroom
on May 7th,
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seizing a cardigan and a jacket,
exhibit LH/5.
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Where did you find the jacket?
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It was in the wardrobe,
hanging up with some other clothes.
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I took it off the coat hanger,
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folded it up
and put it in an exhibits bag.
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Miss Holden... in your role
liaising with the victim's family,
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you visited the Lawrence household
on April 23rd, 1993,
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the day after Stephen died.
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Then again April 25th,
27th and 28th,
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with a final trip on April 29th.
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Is that correct?
That is correct.
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Hmm.
257
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When you searched
Mr Dobson's bedroom on May 7th,
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did you not think to yourself,
"Just a minute -
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"I was in the Lawrence household
just last week.
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"It might not be a good idea for me
to be at the two different scenes"?
261
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It was over a week later,
and I was wearing different clothes.
262
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Also, I do wash fairly frequently.
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Hm.
264
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I didn't think there was any risk
of contamination.
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Are you absolutely sure?
266
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And can you swear, on oath,
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that you didn't wear
any of the same clothing?
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Positive.
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We're talking about events
almost 18 years ago.
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How can you be so sure?
271
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I knew I was going into a search,
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so I chose clothes that, if they got
soiled or whatever, didn't matter.
273
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We support Mr Roberts.
274
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The jury has been
sufficiently educated
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on the clear opportunities
for contamination.
276
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,840
That didn't go too well today,
did it?
277
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,640
The defence are just doing
their job, sowing doubt.
278
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,160
Long way to go yet.
279
00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,600
The jury only wanna know one thing -
how did Stephen's blood get there?
280
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,400
In the end, they can't answer
that question, and we can, tomorrow.
281
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,320
I hope you're right.
282
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,600
Mr Jarman, you and your team
carried out microscopic analysis
283
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of the suspects' clothing.
284
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,640
Could you tell the court
what you found?
285
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,480
We made a number of finds.
286
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,680
There were fibres
matching Stephen's polo shirt
287
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,600
found on Gary Dobson's jacket,
288
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,840
and fibres matching
Stephen Lawrence's green trousers
289
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,600
and red polo shirt were found
on David Norris' sweatshirt.
290
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,880
Fibres that matched the cuff
and wristband of Stephen's jacket
291
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,440
found on Gary Dobson's cardigan.
292
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,400
The two hairs found on David Norris'
trousers were a 1,000-to-1
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00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,400
mitochondrial DNA match
to Stephen Lawrence.
294
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,200
A blood stain matching Stephen's
295
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,880
was found on the collar
of Gary Dobson's jacket.
296
00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,920
The defence have repeatedly
raised concerns
297
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,560
regarding cross-contamination.
298
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,000
In your view, is it possible
299
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that the blood staining
to Mr Dobson's jacket
300
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,320
could have occurred later, at
Eltham Police Station, for example?
301
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,080
The nature of the staining,
the fact that the blood
302
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,240
has been absorbed into the fibres
of the jacket,
303
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,240
indicates that the blood
was still liquid
304
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,160
when it made contact
with the jacket.
305
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,200
Er, you said earlier that
the blood... Where are we now?
306
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,960
.."must have been wet" when
it was transferred to the jacket.
307
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,080
Is it possible that blood fragments
were moistened
308
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,560
during the course of the tests
309
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,720
you and your team carried out
on the jacket?
310
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,360
Well,
this was a hypothesis we explored.
311
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,840
In the event, we discovered that
exposing the fragments to moisture
312
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,720
caused them to become gel-like,
but not liquid.
313
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,960
This did not produce
a comparable stain.
314
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,000
It couldn't soak
into the weave of the fabric.
315
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,840
Isn't it true
that different blood samples
316
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,680
taken from the same individual
can have different compositions,
317
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,520
different characteristics?
Well, yes, there are a number...
318
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,880
Simple yes or no will suffice.
319
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,280
And the rigorous tests
you carried out,
320
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,520
exposing blood samples to moisture,
321
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:13,240
they have not actually been carried
out with the specific blood sample
322
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,440
on the collar of the jacket.
Well, no, that wouldn't be possible.
323
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,480
But that does mean, does it not,
324
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,520
that we cannot completely exclude
the possibility
325
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,240
that the stain was produced
by your own testing?
326
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,160
In terms of likelihood,
the probability...
327
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,160
It wouldn't be right to exclude it,
would it?
328
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,120
We haven't excluded it.
329
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:40,400
However, it is
a statistical impossibility.
330
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,320
The probability is so low as to bear
no mention in any reasonable,
331
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,920
rational argument, which leaves us
with the more viable conclusion...
332
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,120
Thank you, Mr Jarman.
..that the... Thank you.
333
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,240
..that the wearer of the jacket
was involved in the attack
334
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,120
on Stephen Lawrence.
335
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,400
MUFFLED CHATTER
336
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,120
Is this right?
The defence are trying to stop us
337
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,280
from showing surveillance footage
of Dobson and Norris?
338
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,480
Yeah, they claim that
character evidence isn't relevant
339
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,200
and could prejudice the jury.
340
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720
But this is
a racially motivated murder.
341
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,960
Whether those two are racist
or not is very relevant.
342
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,040
That's exactly
what Mr Ellison is arguing.
343
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,000
Let's hope the judge sees sense.
344
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,040
But for now, all we can do is wait.
345
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,720
On the bright side, Mr Jarman didn't
do too badly yesterday, did he?
346
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,360
Not what the papers are saying.
347
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,080
I told her not to look at them.
348
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,040
I wanted to see
what the jury are reading.
349
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,480
The jury aren't allowed
to read the papers. Oh, please.
350
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,320
"Stephen Lawrence trial.
Forensics do not fit."
351
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,520
Well, th-that's not right!
352
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,040
The defence haven't proven
any contamination.
353
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,320
I mean, where are they
getting this stuff?
354
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,840
Excuse me. Excuse me.
Are you in court 15?
355
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,520
Er, no, I'm 16, the Lawrence case.
Your case.
356
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,680
Are you sure?
357
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,560
Because from
what you've been writing,
358
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,880
I'd swear you were watching
a different trial.
359
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,120
I mean, anyone reading it
360
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,200
would think the prosecution
was about to collapse.
361
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,080
Where are you
getting your information from?
362
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,840
To be honest, we're getting
most of it from your press office.
363
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,640
They seem, er, pessimistic.
364
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,600
The Met are feeding you this?
365
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,760
What are you doing?
366
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,200
Think I know where all the negative
coverage is coming from.
367
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,720
Unbelievable.
That's how the brass work.
368
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,360
They wanna lower expectations
in case it doesn't go our way.
369
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,600
Or maybe
they don't want a conviction.
370
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,200
DOOR OPENS
371
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,840
We're getting called back in.
372
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,280
The judge said yes to the tapes.
Oh, that is a result!
373
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,160
And now,
we get to cross-examine them.
374
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,320
How come?
375
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,600
Well, the defence
aren't gonna want that horror show
376
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000
to be the only impression
the jury get of their clients,
377
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040
so they'll have to put 'em
on the stand.
378
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,880
DOBSON ON TAPE: 'He got my arm,
twisted it behind my back,
379
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,160
'started mucking about.
380
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,200
'And I had a Stanley knife
in my pocket,
381
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,760
'so I pulled it out,
I bit the thing off, and I said,
382
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,920
' "That'll do there, Mick, before
I end up fucking cutting you."
383
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,720
'All fucking day, he was
getting on my nerves, you know?
384
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,840
'I said, "You tap me once more,
you silly cunt,
385
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,800
' "I'm gonna just
fucking slice this down you." '
386
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,320
NORRIS ON TAPE: 'If I was gonna kill
myself, do you know what I'd do?
387
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,440
'I'd go and kill every Black cunt,
every Paki, every copper,
388
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,920
'every mug that I know.
I'm telling you, right?'
389
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,160
HE CHUCKLES
390
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,000
'I'd go down Catford,
places like that, I'm telling you,
391
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,080
'with two sub-machine guns.
392
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,680
'I'd take one of them,
skin the Black cunt alive, mate.
393
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240
'Torture him, set him alight.
394
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,320
'I'd blow the two legs and arms off
and say, "Go on, swim now." '
395
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,560
THEY LAUGH ON TAPE
396
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,920
TIM ROBERTS QC:
The court has just watched footage
397
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,120
filmed 17 years ago,
when you were a young man.
398
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,600
We heard you frequently use
racial slurs.
399
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,480
How do you feel about that language?
400
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,360
Well... I think, with that, like,
401
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,560
I've always listened
to hip-hop over the years,
402
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,240
so I used to use the N-word.
403
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080
We heard you threaten violence
against a Black colleague.
404
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,400
Were you a violent man at that time?
No, not at all.
405
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,640
All it was
was a bit of friendly banter.
406
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,880
Workplace banter kind of thing.
A bit of bravado.
407
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,640
Can you account for your whereabouts
on the evening of April 22nd, 1993?
408
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,880
I was at home. I stayed in.
409
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,600
I had some curry,
played on the computer,
410
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,160
and then later, about half 11,
I went to Neil and Jamie's house.
411
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,320
Why did you visit
the Acourt brothers' house?
412
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,960
Just visiting my mates.
413
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,560
I wanted to borrow
a Bob Marley CD off 'em.
414
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,080
So, to confirm, at 10:40pm, the time
of the attack on Stephen Lawrence,
415
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,120
you were at home?
Yeah.
416
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,800
Gary, did you have anything
to do with the events
417
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,800
that led to the death
of Stephen Lawrence?
418
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,520
No, I didn't.
419
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,240
Mr Dobson,
how can you account for a jacket
420
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,320
stained with Stephen Lawrence's
blood being found in your wardrobe?
421
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,960
I never even wore that jacket.
422
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,640
Never? Well, I wore it to school
once or twice,
423
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,680
and I had the complete mick taken
out of me, so I never wore it.
424
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,440
The problem is, the jacket
appeared to be heavily worn.
425
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,360
It had cigarette burns,
a broken zipper.
426
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,080
Yeah, it was worn.
It got worn, but not by me.
427
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,880
Who had been wearing it, Mr Dobson?
428
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,600
My mum, my auntie, my brother.
Your auntie?
429
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,680
Yeah.
430
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:58,560
I suggest to you that you went out
with your friends that night.
431
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,440
You were coming home across Well
Hall Road at about ten thirty,
432
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,240
and you saw two Black boys
on your manor.
433
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,280
You saw their very presence
as a provocation. No.
434
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,040
And you attacked them, didn't you?
Definitely not. Absolutely not.
435
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Did you have anything to do
with the death of Stephen Lawrence?
436
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200
No. Certainly not, no, sir.
437
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,560
The jeans seized by police
from your home on May 7th, 1993...
438
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,880
..did they belong to you?
No, sir.
439
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,800
They were my brother's jeans.
They'd have been too loose for me.
440
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,680
How, Mr Norris, can you be so sure
441
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,920
you were not in Eltham
the night of the murder?
442
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Cos I'm innocent.
443
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520
You insist you were nowhere near
the scene of this murder,
444
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,120
and yet, as we have seen, fibres
matching Stephen Lawrence's clothing
445
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,880
and hairs matching
Stephen Lawrence's DNA
446
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,640
were found on your clothing.
447
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Is there any innocent explanation
448
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,440
for how those hairs and fibres
could have got on your clothing?
449
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,240
Nothing at all.
450
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,160
A little earlier,
we heard a recording of you
451
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,200
saying you would like to kill
Black people.
452
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
You have a murderous hatred
of Black people,
453
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,720
don't you, Mr Norris?
No. No, not at all, sir.
454
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,640
The truth is, you and your mates
attacked that young Black boy
455
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,520
that night, didn't you?
No, absolutely not, sir.
456
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,800
It was a school night.
457
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,680
There's no way David
would have been out at that time.
458
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,120
How can you be sure?
459
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,080
I had a routine,
and I was very strict with it.
460
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,040
They all knew they had to be back.
461
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Mrs Norris, isn't it true
that this is the first time
462
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,520
there has been a breath
of this alibi?
463
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,640
It is, is it not,
a recent invention?
464
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,120
No, that's not right.
465
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,480
Why has it only just occurred to you
that your son
466
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,080
was at home at the time
of the murder?
467
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,320
I didn't realise at the time
that it was a school night.
468
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,360
Of course, David wasn't actually
going to school, was he?
469
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,240
At 16, he'd finished school.
470
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,920
Why would a school night
have any relevance to him?
471
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,080
He had to stick to my rules,
the same as the rest of my kids.
472
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,280
My son would have been at home.
473
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,000
I went into the kitchen at 10:30pm,
474
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
and that's when Gary came in
and made toast.
475
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,240
He had a pair of shorts on,
so I could see he hadn't been out.
476
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Mrs Dobson, in your 1993 statement,
477
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,680
you say that Gary came down
to the kitchen at 10:45pm.
478
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,320
Why has this changed?
479
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,360
Well, 10:30,
give or take a few minutes.
480
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,520
Stephen Lawrence was killed
shortly after 10:30pm,
481
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,120
a few minutes away from your home.
482
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,280
If we give Gary ten minutes, if we
have him in the kitchen at 10:45pm,
483
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,200
the time you gave
in your original statement,
484
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,640
then he no longer has an alibi.
485
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,520
No, he didn't do it.
He wasn't there.
486
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,520
Gary was in all evening.
487
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Those two women.
If it was your son...
488
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,120
..wouldn't you encourage them
to take responsibility?
489
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,520
I mean, if you don't
give your children a conscience,
490
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,120
then what have you given them?
491
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960
I think you've got
an optimistic view of human nature.
492
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,600
I meet a lot of young people
in my work in schools.
493
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,080
Some of them tough, you know.
494
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,600
Have to fend for themselves.
Mothers working shifts.
495
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,120
But most of these kids, when you
take the time to get to know them...
496
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,800
..they ain't bad.
497
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,480
You can see that
they've been given some goodness.
498
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,000
My grandmother raised me.
499
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,920
She was tough, but she was kind.
500
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,440
She drummed it into me -
be kind to everyone.
501
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,200
She didn't have much, but...
502
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,640
..she gave me that.
503
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
And I gave it to my children.
504
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,640
JUSTICE TREACY: There are a few
key questions you must answer
505
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,760
before reaching a verdict.
506
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,520
You must decide
if the blood and fibres
507
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,960
found on the accused clothing
came from Stephen Lawrence.
508
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,160
If you're satisfied on this point,
you must then consider
509
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,840
whether you can exclude
the possibility of contamination.
510
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,800
The character of the defendants
is irrelevant,
511
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,520
unless you are convinced
by the physical evidence
512
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,800
putting them at the scene
of Stephen Lawrence's murder.
513
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,840
We shall reconvene on January 3rd
514
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,080
for the jury
to consider their verdict.
515
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,240
And I wish you all, in advance,
a happy New Year.
516
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Got you some birch
for the fireplace.
517
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Yeah, it, er...
burns hotter than pine.
518
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,280
Smells nicer, too.
519
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,560
You don't need to chop down a tree
just to pop over for a cup of tea,
520
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,240
you know, Clive.
HE CHUCKLES
521
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Thank you.
522
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,360
Any plans for New Year?
Oh, I'm too old for all that.
523
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880
I'm on baby-sitting duty.
524
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,320
You're worried, aren't you?
525
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,960
It's the waiting.
526
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,320
This festive break
is not good for my nerves.
527
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,240
Well, I've had plenty of practice
with waiting.
528
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,480
Normally, when the jury retires,
that's it.
529
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Whatever will be will be.
530
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,040
But, er... this case...
531
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,760
..your family, er, needs justice.
532
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,680
Clive, I've sacrificed
18 years of my life
533
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,160
fighting for justice for Stephen,
534
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,720
but even if we win this case,
it won't be job done,
535
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,440
not for me.
536
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,760
To get this close...
537
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,080
You did all you could, but justice
is bigger than this case.
538
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960
CROWD CHEERING,
BIG BEN CHIMES
539
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,040
For auld lang syne, my dear
540
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,600
For auld lang syne
541
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,880
I'll take a cup of kindness yet
542
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,880
For auld lang syne
543
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,800
For old lang syne, my Joe
544
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,840
For auld lang syne
545
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,400
I'll take a cup of kindness yet
546
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,040
For old lang syne.
547
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,880
REPORTER: The judge said
a reinvestigation of the case
548
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,680
had led to new scientific evidence.
549
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,120
The two accused men questioned
the handling of that evidence.
550
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,800
TANNOY: 'Would all parties
in the case of Dobson and Norris
551
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,720
'please report to court 16?'
552
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,280
INAUDIBLE
553
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,480
'Would all parties in the case
of Dobson and Norris
554
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,440
'please go to court 16?'
555
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,440
Time to be put out of our misery.
556
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,320
SHE SIGHS
557
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,760
MURMURING
558
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,960
HE MOUTHS
559
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Will the defendants please stand?
560
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Would the foreman of the jury
please stand?
561
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,360
Have you reached a verdict on both
cases on which you are all agreed?
562
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,800
We have.
563
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,360
MAN: The verdicts in this case will
be received in complete silence.
564
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,920
Do you find the defendant
David Norris guilty
565
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,840
or not guilty
on this indictment of murder?
566
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Guilty.
GASPS
567
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,720
Do you find the defendant
Gary Dobson guilty
568
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,600
or not guilty on this indictment
of murder?
569
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,520
Guilty.
570
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,040
He's innocent!
He did not kill that man!
571
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,680
You've condemned an innocent man
here today.
572
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,840
Hope you can live with that.
573
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Is DCI Driscoll in court?
574
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Yes, sir, My Lord.
575
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,320
You've been leading
this investigation since 2006.
576
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Yes, My Lord.
577
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,800
This is a case that has shamed
and humbled the Metropolitan Police.
578
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,280
However, you and your officers
have worked incredibly hard,
579
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,440
and you deserve to be commended.
580
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,680
A measure of justice
has finally been achieved.
581
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440
On the evidence before the court,
582
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,680
there are at least
three other killers at large.
583
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,680
I expect you will continue your
efforts to bring them to justice.
584
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,240
Yes, My Lord. Thank you, My Lord.
585
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,360
Congratulations, Mrs Lawrence,
Mr Lawrence.
586
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,040
We got there in the end, eh?
587
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Mr Lawrence.
Yeah?
588
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,320
Congratulations.
589
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,920
Thank you, Clive.
590
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,080
WOMAN: Do you have a statement?
MAN: Why did this take so long?
591
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,240
What's your reaction
to the verdict?
592
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,760
MAN: What about the other suspects?
593
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,040
As senior investigating officer,
I welcome today's verdicts.
594
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,040
This is a case
of extraordinary importance,
595
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,200
not just to
the Metropolitan Police...
596
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,160
And all this time,
I thought you were SIO.
597
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,880
..but to society at large.
Only if we'd lost.
598
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,280
We know that
there were more than two attackers
599
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,040
involved in this murder.
600
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,080
I would encourage any member
of the public who has information
601
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,640
that could support our ongoing
investigation to come forward.
602
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,840
Today is not
a cause for celebration.
603
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,280
How can I celebrate
when my son lies buried?
604
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,000
Now that we have
some sort of justice,
605
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,960
I want people to think of Stephen
606
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,840
not only as a Black teenager
murdered in a racist attack.
607
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:24,240
I want people to remember him
as a bright, beautiful young man
608
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,680
that any mother
would have been proud of.
609
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,640
I miss him with a passion.
610
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,120
SIGHS
611
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,040
My greatest hope...
612
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,920
..is that these people now realise
613
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,920
that they've been found out...
614
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,840
..and they're gonna lie down
in their bed
615
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,480
and think that
they are not the only ones
616
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,920
responsible for the death of my son.
617
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,680
And they're gonna give up
the rest of the people
618
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,360
so that I can come out here again
in a year's time
619
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,400
and talk to you people again.
620
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,600
WOMAN: Mr Lawrence, do you...?
Thank you.
621
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,200
MAN: Do you have a message
for the other suspects?
622
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,760
You know, for so many years,
623
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
I resented those men
for not repenting.
624
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,640
But seeing them in the court...
HE SCOFFS
625
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,960
..I pitied them,
to be honest with you.
626
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,320
You must have felt
as though a great weight was lifted.
627
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,920
I'm not ready to forgive. Not yet.
628
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,200
But, for the first time...
629
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,520
..it feels possible.
630
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,640
I can imagine leaving them behind.
631
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,680
REPORTER: The Home Secretary,
Theresa May,
632
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,760
has ordered a review
into allegations
633
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,320
that police corruption hampered
the original failed investigation
634
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,320
into the murder
of Stephen Lawrence.
635
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,360
Mark Ellison QC, the barrister
who secured convictions
636
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640
against two of Stephen's murderers
earlier this year,
637
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,720
will head the review.
638
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Stephen's mother, Doreen Lawrence,
639
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,640
is meeting with the Home Secretary
to clarify the terms of reference.
640
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Mr Ellison.
How lovely to see you again.
641
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,240
Do you know how many man hours I've
spent trying to get hold of these?
642
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,040
That's funny, it took me about
15 minutes to dig 'em out.
643
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,960
HE CHUCKLES
Thank you.
644
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,280
Anything else I can do,
just let me know.
645
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,360
We're all on the same side,
after all.
646
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,560
Like the judge said, we've got
three killers still at large.
647
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,040
The way I see it, your case is
only as good as your best witness,
648
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:16,560
and my hope is that the convictions
will sway a few key people
649
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,320
who were previously, er, reluctant.
650
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,840
As you can see, the following people
came forward in '93,
651
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,360
but were never followed up on.
652
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,880
We're very hopeful
of being able to track them down.
653
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Before we get into the detail,
654
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,520
I think we should discuss
the oversight of the case
655
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,120
and management of the investigation
going forward.
656
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,840
Dropping off those tickets.
Fulham-Arsenal.
657
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,760
One for you, one for Stuart.
Ah, looking forward to it.
658
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,320
Stuart said
he'll try and go easy on you.
659
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,600
What is it?
660
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,000
They're letting me go.
661
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,600
They're sacking you?
662
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,760
Compulsory retirement.
Huh!
663
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,360
There'll be a handover.
664
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
They asked me
to hand over my rapport with you,
665
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:12,920
as a matter of fact.
666
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,920
They can't do that.
I'll talk to the Home Secretary.
667
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,160
I'm two years over my 30.
668
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,200
It's, er...
It's at their discretion.
669
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,160
They could keep me
on if they wanted to, but, er, well,
670
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,040
they don't want to.
671
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,920
This is how they reward you
for getting convictions?
672
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,320
They should be giving you medals.
673
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,120
It's all right, Doreen.
674
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,720
It's like you said - justice is
bigger than a couple of convictions.
675
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:40,760
I mean, they can stop me,
but no-one's ever gonna stop you.
676
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,920
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