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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:20,227 ♪ 2 00:01:21,736 --> 00:01:24,084 [Herbie Hancock] I began making this album, 3 00:01:24,118 --> 00:01:27,742 and the idea came from my realizing 4 00:01:27,777 --> 00:01:32,885 that so many musicians are putinto what we call a pigeonhole. 5 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,199 Whatever is the record that made them famous, 6 00:01:36,234 --> 00:01:40,030 they were continually encouragedto do that same kind of thing 7 00:01:40,065 --> 00:01:42,378 time and time again. 8 00:01:48,936 --> 00:01:52,595 I'm looking for people from various genres 9 00:01:52,629 --> 00:01:57,255 that I feel might be interestedin exploring the territory 10 00:01:57,289 --> 00:02:00,948 that could possibly develop from a collaboration with me 11 00:02:00,982 --> 00:02:05,401 and perhaps maybe somethingtotally different would happen. 12 00:02:20,588 --> 00:02:22,728 Did you get a chance to listen to-- 13 00:02:22,763 --> 00:02:25,006 Of course. Yeah, I heard a few things. 14 00:02:25,041 --> 00:02:27,526 Is it too high or too low? 15 00:02:27,561 --> 00:02:29,218 I think it's right. 16 00:02:29,252 --> 00:02:31,875 Can we go to the piano and just check it out? 17 00:02:34,533 --> 00:02:36,777 The record is really a collaboration 18 00:02:36,811 --> 00:02:39,228 between myself and a lot of different artists. 19 00:02:39,262 --> 00:02:40,470 Right. 20 00:02:40,505 --> 00:02:43,611 And the spirit of it is-- 21 00:02:43,646 --> 00:02:46,890 is that each artist brings what they bring to the table, 22 00:02:46,925 --> 00:02:48,409 I bring what I bring to the table, 23 00:02:48,444 --> 00:02:52,689 and then we see what happens when we get together. 24 00:02:52,724 --> 00:02:55,589 Because, like, you know, 25 00:02:55,623 --> 00:03:01,388 there's certain things that I bring to the table from my experience, 26 00:03:01,422 --> 00:03:04,114 you know, coming from jazz, 27 00:03:04,149 --> 00:03:06,634 and then there are things that you bring to the table: 28 00:03:06,669 --> 00:03:12,122 your youth, your connections to the music of the era that you're born in. 29 00:03:12,157 --> 00:03:15,229 - Okay. - And it's turning out to be really nice. 30 00:03:15,264 --> 00:03:16,299 Good. 31 00:03:17,438 --> 00:03:19,371 ♪ 32 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,042 ♪ I've been in so many places in my life and times ♪ 33 00:03:36,802 --> 00:03:39,633 ♪ I've sung a lot of songs 34 00:03:40,875 --> 00:03:43,740 ♪ I've made some bad rhyme 35 00:03:45,708 --> 00:03:49,884 ♪ I've acted out my life in stages ♪ 36 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,509 ♪ With 10,000 people watchin' 37 00:03:55,096 --> 00:03:57,202 ♪ We're alone now 38 00:03:57,237 --> 00:04:01,827 ♪ And I'm singing this song for you ♪ 39 00:04:03,657 --> 00:04:10,042 ♪ I know your image of me is what I hope to be ♪ 40 00:04:10,077 --> 00:04:13,080 Can I have more reverb, please? 41 00:04:13,114 --> 00:04:17,222 ♪ I've treated you unkindly 42 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:20,190 ♪ Baby, can't you see 43 00:04:22,192 --> 00:04:26,162 ♪ There's no one more important to me ♪ 44 00:04:26,196 --> 00:04:30,925 ♪ So, darlin', can't you please see through me ♪ 45 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,963 I can't hear myself.I need more reverb than we had. 46 00:04:35,102 --> 00:04:36,621 Please. 47 00:04:36,655 --> 00:04:38,243 ♪ Don't you 48 00:04:39,624 --> 00:04:42,282 ♪ I love you in a place 49 00:04:42,316 --> 00:04:48,011 ♪ Where there's no space or time ♪ 50 00:04:48,046 --> 00:04:52,499 ♪ I love you for my life 51 00:04:52,533 --> 00:04:56,917 ♪ 'Cause you're a friend of mine ♪ 52 00:04:56,951 --> 00:05:00,127 ♪ And when my life is over 53 00:05:01,404 --> 00:05:05,097 ♪ Remember we were together 54 00:05:38,821 --> 00:05:39,856 Whoo! 55 00:05:39,891 --> 00:05:42,618 - [chuckles] - Hot. 56 00:05:45,172 --> 00:05:47,623 Oh, yeah. 57 00:05:47,657 --> 00:05:49,625 Yeah, no lie. [laughs] 58 00:05:49,659 --> 00:05:51,558 Great, man. 59 00:05:53,249 --> 00:05:55,355 That's it. I better go back to the drawing board. 60 00:05:55,389 --> 00:05:57,736 Do you want to listen to that? 61 00:05:57,771 --> 00:05:58,944 Yeah, sure, let's go in. 62 00:05:58,979 --> 00:06:00,946 I had to take off my sweater. I got too hot. 63 00:06:00,981 --> 00:06:02,638 Yeah, right. I'm hot too. 64 00:06:10,128 --> 00:06:13,545 I feel that many of our systems 65 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:17,480 that work to encourage creativity 66 00:06:17,515 --> 00:06:18,895 are being challenged, 67 00:06:18,930 --> 00:06:23,003 and there's more encouragement to stay where you are. 68 00:06:23,037 --> 00:06:25,281 Don't make a wave. 69 00:06:25,315 --> 00:06:28,491 I think the word that kind of captures 70 00:06:28,526 --> 00:06:31,183 the spirit of what I believe in 71 00:06:31,218 --> 00:06:35,049 and what I'm really about and what I hope to achieve 72 00:06:35,084 --> 00:06:37,224 is the word "possibilities." 73 00:06:41,021 --> 00:06:45,370 As children, we have that sensethat anything is possible 74 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:48,269 and we have that kind of openness; we're not jaded. 75 00:06:48,304 --> 00:06:50,996 The older we get, the more closed-in we get, 76 00:06:51,031 --> 00:06:54,897 the more frightened we get,the more set in our ways we get 77 00:06:54,931 --> 00:06:57,313 because we're afraid of the unknown, 78 00:06:57,347 --> 00:07:01,248 whereas as a child, everything is unknown. 79 00:07:01,282 --> 00:07:06,391 What a beautiful place to reside in, you know, 80 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:08,186 in your own being, 81 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:11,983 you know, where you still have the wonder of a child. 82 00:07:14,330 --> 00:07:16,297 ♪ [vocalizing] 83 00:07:16,332 --> 00:07:18,127 That's cool for the middle of the tune. 84 00:07:18,161 --> 00:07:22,614 But when Herbie starts to play,you go with it. 85 00:08:07,348 --> 00:08:09,558 I got a phone call: "You want to record with Herbie Hancock?" 86 00:08:09,592 --> 00:08:12,733 "Yeah, absolutely. What can I do for Herbie?" 87 00:08:12,768 --> 00:08:14,321 The only thing I can imagine is that, 88 00:08:14,355 --> 00:08:16,772 "Okay, he must want me to play in my own little way." 89 00:08:16,806 --> 00:08:19,153 So I really didn't get that nervous comin' in because... 90 00:08:19,188 --> 00:08:22,432 I knew that I must've been askedfor something I've already done, 91 00:08:22,467 --> 00:08:25,608 which is definitely not playing jazz because I'd just butcher it. 92 00:08:25,643 --> 00:08:28,473 So I'm just kind of trying to do my thing, whatever that might be, 93 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:31,856 and see what that turns out to. 94 00:08:31,890 --> 00:08:35,825 On that bridge part, what did you say, there's that popish thing? 95 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:37,413 Yeah. 96 00:08:37,447 --> 00:08:39,898 I'm wondering if we could, on that D chord, 97 00:08:39,933 --> 00:08:43,523 if we could make it like a B-flat chord with the D on the bottom. 98 00:08:43,557 --> 00:08:48,528 - Okay.- You know like that B-flat too. 99 00:08:48,562 --> 00:08:51,772 And then the G chord, put a B on the bottom. 100 00:08:51,807 --> 00:08:54,464 I didn't know what to expect.I'd never met John Mayer before. 101 00:08:54,499 --> 00:08:58,434 I had been told that John had an idea, 102 00:08:58,468 --> 00:09:00,470 and I didn't know what that idea was. 103 00:09:00,505 --> 00:09:04,785 I had written this groove on the guitar called "The Day Before." 104 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:07,581 So I started playing this groove. 105 00:09:07,616 --> 00:09:09,514 ♪ [scatting] 106 00:09:16,728 --> 00:09:19,455 We just started. He's got a groove goin'. 107 00:09:19,489 --> 00:09:23,217 And then little by little a lot of fragments formed. 108 00:09:30,466 --> 00:09:34,953 To this day, I don't know exactly what he had 109 00:09:34,988 --> 00:09:36,990 before we started playing. 110 00:09:38,543 --> 00:09:41,891 But somehow, right away, things started to happen. 111 00:10:25,728 --> 00:10:26,833 Amazing. 112 00:10:26,867 --> 00:10:29,076 I like that beginning 113 00:10:29,111 --> 00:10:31,078 where we don't do the drum thing. 114 00:10:31,113 --> 00:10:34,357 It's more like just vocal, and that's very nice. 115 00:10:34,392 --> 00:10:36,912 Now, when you did that, you said-- 116 00:10:36,946 --> 00:10:38,223 ♪ 117 00:10:38,258 --> 00:10:41,813 [Herbie] I enjoy the process of collaborative effort. 118 00:10:41,848 --> 00:10:45,679 Influence each other and share ideas, 119 00:10:45,714 --> 00:10:48,544 pick off energy from the vibe of each other. 120 00:10:48,578 --> 00:10:50,511 - Turn it up. - Give me that again. 121 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:56,103 ♪ Girls like that don't sleep alone ♪ 122 00:10:56,138 --> 00:10:58,968 Yeah. That's nice. 123 00:10:59,003 --> 00:11:01,074 All right. Keep that. Write that down. 124 00:11:02,765 --> 00:11:04,940 ♪ Girls like that don't sleep alone ♪ 125 00:11:04,974 --> 00:11:06,389 [John] When the moment is right, 126 00:11:06,424 --> 00:11:09,738 you just have to really channel 127 00:11:09,772 --> 00:11:10,877 what that song is all about 128 00:11:10,911 --> 00:11:13,258 and stay there for as long as possible 129 00:11:13,293 --> 00:11:15,260 in that pinhole of focus 130 00:11:15,295 --> 00:11:17,366 and just write as fast as you can 131 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,955 'cause, you know, you get out of that and it's gone. 132 00:11:19,989 --> 00:11:22,440 ♪ Exactly how you see it 133 00:11:22,474 --> 00:11:25,408 ♪ It's exactly how it all went down ♪ 134 00:11:31,173 --> 00:11:38,042 ♪ [singing, indistinct] 135 00:11:38,076 --> 00:11:39,699 It could be that. It could be that. 136 00:11:39,733 --> 00:11:41,321 Or it could be... 137 00:11:44,013 --> 00:11:47,120 Yeah, I wish I could bend the notes. 138 00:11:47,154 --> 00:11:50,779 [scatting] 139 00:11:55,991 --> 00:11:58,062 [Herbie] The chordal structure's starting to be built. 140 00:11:58,096 --> 00:12:00,443 Rhythmic structure, rhythmic ideas, 141 00:12:00,478 --> 00:12:03,481 and then he was making up a melody. 142 00:12:03,515 --> 00:12:07,278 He probably had some melody ideas before, 143 00:12:07,312 --> 00:12:09,867 but he didn't have lyrics, 144 00:12:09,901 --> 00:12:12,110 so he just started making up some words as he went along. 145 00:12:12,145 --> 00:12:14,423 Some of them were really good. 146 00:12:14,457 --> 00:12:17,081 ♪ Don't move a thing now 147 00:12:17,115 --> 00:12:20,394 ♪ You cannot go I'll never go ♪ 148 00:12:22,051 --> 00:12:25,089 ♪ But girls like that don't sleep alone ♪ 149 00:12:25,123 --> 00:12:27,608 [John]A friend of mine, Pino Paladino,a great bass player also. 150 00:12:27,643 --> 00:12:29,783 Pino and I had lunch one day, and Pino says, 151 00:12:29,818 --> 00:12:33,062 "Yeah, man. The last thing you need is a girl to stitch you up." 152 00:12:33,097 --> 00:12:35,547 And I went, "What does that mean?" 153 00:12:35,582 --> 00:12:38,585 "You know, stitch you up, like, you know, do you wrong." 154 00:12:38,619 --> 00:12:41,484 And I went, "Wow, that's cool. Stitch me up." 155 00:12:43,038 --> 00:12:45,074 ♪ Stitched up Out of my mind ♪ 156 00:12:45,109 --> 00:12:47,767 ♪ Feelin' strung out Laggin' behind ♪ 157 00:12:47,801 --> 00:12:50,355 ♪ All trapped in I can't do a thing ♪ 158 00:12:50,390 --> 00:12:52,461 ♪ Because I'm locked down 159 00:12:53,738 --> 00:12:55,775 ♪ Stitched up Feelin' the burn ♪ 160 00:12:55,809 --> 00:12:59,157 ♪ All strung out I finally learned that ♪ 161 00:12:59,192 --> 00:13:01,090 ♪ Trapped in you can't do a thing ♪ 162 00:13:01,125 --> 00:13:03,265 ♪ Because you're locked down 163 00:13:15,449 --> 00:13:16,934 ♪ Stitched up 164 00:13:18,038 --> 00:13:18,970 ♪ Strung out 165 00:13:20,938 --> 00:13:23,768 ♪ Trap me in and lock me down 166 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:26,667 ♪ Stitch me up and string me out ♪ 167 00:13:26,702 --> 00:13:29,360 ♪ Trap me in and lock me down Lock me down ♪ 168 00:13:29,394 --> 00:13:32,604 ♪ Stitch me up String me out ♪ 169 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:34,986 ♪ Lock me down 170 00:14:36,323 --> 00:14:40,293 [applause] 171 00:14:42,019 --> 00:14:43,710 Thank you. 172 00:14:46,644 --> 00:14:49,440 No, no. Great lyrics. 173 00:14:49,474 --> 00:14:51,407 He's out for a second. He'll be right back. 174 00:14:51,442 --> 00:14:54,134 So when he comes back, let's have him and everybody meet. 175 00:14:54,169 --> 00:14:55,895 There he is now. He's back. Hold on. 176 00:14:55,929 --> 00:14:58,311 So we all know who's here. 177 00:14:58,345 --> 00:15:00,313 Yeah, here I am. 178 00:15:00,347 --> 00:15:02,177 - Great. - Hi. 179 00:15:02,211 --> 00:15:04,938 - So here's Raul. - Hey, Greg. 180 00:15:04,973 --> 00:15:06,457 Hey, Raul. How are you, man? 181 00:15:06,491 --> 00:15:08,700 - Good. Excellent. - Hey, Raul? 182 00:15:08,735 --> 00:15:10,840 - Hey. - Hey. 183 00:15:10,875 --> 00:15:12,532 - Sounds real beautiful, man. - Oh, thank you. 184 00:15:12,566 --> 00:15:14,810 In terms of, like, the phrasing, 185 00:15:14,844 --> 00:15:18,124 is there room for-- 186 00:15:18,158 --> 00:15:21,782 Well, I'll just sing. Is there room for like going a little bit over? 187 00:15:21,817 --> 00:15:24,164 It's very simple. 188 00:15:24,199 --> 00:15:26,511 - Go ahead and try things. - Excellent. 189 00:15:26,546 --> 00:15:29,687 We're doing a truly bicoastal session. 190 00:15:29,721 --> 00:15:35,451 Herbie and Greg are in L.A., and we're here in New York. 191 00:15:35,486 --> 00:15:38,213 And we're working together bicoastally in real time. 192 00:15:38,247 --> 00:15:40,042 It's pretty amazing. 193 00:15:40,077 --> 00:15:42,872 ♪ [scatting] 194 00:15:47,532 --> 00:15:51,122 - There goes your solo. - Yeah, right. 195 00:15:57,818 --> 00:16:00,649 ♪ [imitates trumpet] 196 00:16:23,568 --> 00:16:27,020 - Whoa! - Tonguing and everything. 197 00:16:36,823 --> 00:16:38,687 - Good thing Miles ain't here. - Yeah. 198 00:16:38,721 --> 00:16:40,447 He'll have something to say about that. 199 00:16:40,482 --> 00:16:42,898 ♪ Yeah 200 00:16:42,932 --> 00:16:45,694 ♪ Yeah 201 00:16:45,728 --> 00:16:48,421 Well, you know, Herbie doesn't haveto solo. 202 00:16:48,455 --> 00:16:49,801 [all laughing] 203 00:16:49,836 --> 00:16:53,943 You just really kicked Herbie out of his own solo. 204 00:16:53,978 --> 00:16:56,808 I hope you feel good about that. 205 00:16:56,843 --> 00:16:59,363 I mean, you know, forget his name's on the record. 206 00:16:59,397 --> 00:17:02,193 He didn't really have to solo. 207 00:17:02,228 --> 00:17:04,713 That's just in case nothing else came up. 208 00:17:04,747 --> 00:17:07,647 Don't worry about it. I get all the credit for it. It's okay. 209 00:17:17,450 --> 00:17:23,076 ♪ No New Year's Day 210 00:17:24,457 --> 00:17:29,703 ♪ To celebrate 211 00:17:30,877 --> 00:17:37,642 ♪ No chocolate-covered candy hearts ♪ 212 00:17:37,677 --> 00:17:42,268 ♪ To give away 213 00:17:43,476 --> 00:17:50,310 ♪ No first of spring 214 00:17:50,345 --> 00:17:55,695 ♪ No song to sing 215 00:17:55,729 --> 00:18:02,011 ♪ In fact, here's just another 216 00:18:02,046 --> 00:18:07,638 ♪ Ordinary day 217 00:18:09,812 --> 00:18:13,575 ♪ Ooh 218 00:18:13,609 --> 00:18:18,062 ♪ No April rain 219 00:18:19,201 --> 00:18:21,341 ♪ No... 220 00:18:21,686 --> 00:18:23,516 - Sorry. - [music stops] 221 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:25,828 Do not be sorry, okay? 222 00:18:25,863 --> 00:18:28,279 Bingo on the first verse. 223 00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:30,385 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Bingo on the first verse. 224 00:18:30,419 --> 00:18:32,559 Let me get that entrance too. 225 00:18:34,527 --> 00:18:36,253 Just for "No April rain." 226 00:18:36,287 --> 00:18:39,083 - The first phrase was cool. - That was sweet. 227 00:18:40,498 --> 00:18:41,775 He forgot the lyrics. 228 00:18:41,810 --> 00:18:45,227 I just blanked out on the lyric there. 229 00:18:45,262 --> 00:18:47,954 Does he have them in Braille? 230 00:18:50,612 --> 00:18:52,131 He probably does, yeah. 231 00:18:52,959 --> 00:18:59,103 ♪ No New Year's Day 232 00:18:59,172 --> 00:19:00,311 I like that. 233 00:19:00,346 --> 00:19:05,730 ♪ To celebrate 234 00:19:06,283 --> 00:19:11,219 [Raul] This is an incredibly reworked version of this song. 235 00:19:11,253 --> 00:19:13,669 I was so glad when I heard the track 236 00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:17,604 because it's a different thing so that it doesn't sound like 237 00:19:17,639 --> 00:19:20,469 the great Stevie Wonder track that it was. 238 00:19:20,504 --> 00:19:22,230 It sounds like something completely different. 239 00:19:22,264 --> 00:19:28,270 ♪ I just called to say 240 00:19:28,305 --> 00:19:36,520 ♪ I love you 241 00:19:37,072 --> 00:19:39,661 [Raul] Herbie is a major force 242 00:19:39,695 --> 00:19:43,941 in terms of my inspiration as a musician and an artist. 243 00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:48,290 Just the amazing arch of the career, 244 00:19:48,325 --> 00:19:50,810 it's inspiring, you know, for me 245 00:19:50,844 --> 00:19:55,124 and I'm sure for all of us who are of us doing this, 246 00:19:55,159 --> 00:19:58,887 that somebody didn't rest on the incredible laurels 247 00:19:58,921 --> 00:20:00,958 that he had just for being with Miles. 248 00:20:00,992 --> 00:20:03,132 On piano, Herbie Hancock. 249 00:20:03,167 --> 00:20:05,618 [Herbie]I joined his band when I was 23, 250 00:20:05,652 --> 00:20:08,068 and I left when I was 28. 251 00:20:08,103 --> 00:20:12,625 The majority of my twenties was spent playing with Mile Davis's band. 252 00:20:12,659 --> 00:20:15,386 And here comes, Miles Davis. 253 00:20:17,112 --> 00:20:19,252 There were certain things that he said 254 00:20:19,287 --> 00:20:21,530 and certain things that he stood for 255 00:20:21,565 --> 00:20:27,156 that had a profound influence on my music and on my life. 256 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:33,818 ♪ 257 00:20:57,325 --> 00:21:00,293 There were so many things I learned from Miles 258 00:21:00,328 --> 00:21:02,468 about standing up for what you believe in. 259 00:21:16,723 --> 00:21:19,623 And I learned a lot about listening from Miles. 260 00:21:34,534 --> 00:21:39,712 About turning whatever happens musically 261 00:21:39,746 --> 00:21:42,784 into something of value. 262 00:21:42,818 --> 00:21:44,544 That's what you try to do, 263 00:21:44,579 --> 00:21:50,274 rather than be judgmental aboutwhat some other guy is playing. 264 00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:52,966 Leave judgment out of the picture 265 00:21:53,001 --> 00:21:56,798 and just take what's there and make something happen with it. 266 00:22:31,522 --> 00:22:35,250 He told us that he paid us to practice on stage 267 00:22:35,284 --> 00:22:38,080 in front of the people, not in our rooms. 268 00:22:38,115 --> 00:22:40,704 We could practice in our rooms,but don't bring that down 269 00:22:40,738 --> 00:22:44,708 and play that in front of peoplebecause that's not jazz. 270 00:22:44,742 --> 00:22:48,539 Jazz is at the moment. You play the moment. 271 00:22:48,574 --> 00:22:51,646 And it has, you know-- Each moment is fresh. 272 00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:08,317 That's not an easy thing to do.It takes a lot of courage. 273 00:23:08,352 --> 00:23:10,906 It takes a lot of trust, 274 00:23:10,941 --> 00:23:15,048 and it takes a kind of nakedness 275 00:23:15,083 --> 00:23:17,085 to be able to accomplish that. 276 00:23:18,535 --> 00:23:20,502 At least to be able to approach it even. 277 00:23:33,964 --> 00:23:36,829 But Miles provided a platform 278 00:23:36,863 --> 00:23:40,280 for all the members of his then-young band 279 00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:42,628 to exam that arena, 280 00:23:42,662 --> 00:23:46,286 to reach beyond the comfort zone. 281 00:23:46,321 --> 00:23:48,357 You know, and go into areas 282 00:23:48,392 --> 00:23:54,191 that where we don't know intellectually or musically 283 00:23:54,225 --> 00:23:56,227 what the result is. 284 00:23:56,262 --> 00:23:58,747 Kind of go into that dark room and create something. 285 00:24:12,761 --> 00:24:15,074 [applause] 286 00:24:20,562 --> 00:24:21,736 Yoo-hoo. 287 00:24:24,566 --> 00:24:25,671 Hello? 288 00:24:25,705 --> 00:24:29,882 - [dog barking] - Shit! 289 00:24:29,916 --> 00:24:31,884 See if there's another way in. 290 00:24:31,918 --> 00:24:33,851 Well, there's one big dog. Heyn. 291 00:24:33,886 --> 00:24:36,371 Well, there's one big dog. Hey! 292 00:24:36,405 --> 00:24:39,305 - How you doin', man? - Nice to meet you. 293 00:24:39,339 --> 00:24:40,927 Great, great. 294 00:24:40,962 --> 00:24:43,792 Thanks for inviting me to this. 295 00:24:48,383 --> 00:24:53,146 [Herbie] Trey told me that the inspiration for him 296 00:24:53,181 --> 00:24:57,426 for a long time, for many, many years, since he was a kid, 297 00:24:57,461 --> 00:25:02,397 was the Jack Johnson record of Miles Davis. 298 00:25:02,431 --> 00:25:04,951 I was on that record. 299 00:25:04,986 --> 00:25:08,507 He said that to him was the inspiration for... 300 00:25:08,541 --> 00:25:11,613 for the whole jam band scene. 301 00:25:22,175 --> 00:25:24,074 [Herbie] You know something? 302 00:25:25,316 --> 00:25:27,215 It seems like everything is based on the same... 303 00:25:27,249 --> 00:25:29,804 - Yeah. - And it's a horrible feeling. 304 00:25:29,838 --> 00:25:32,427 But it was one of those times, and I think Miles noticed it. 305 00:25:32,461 --> 00:25:34,533 So he leaned over to me and said, 306 00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:37,950 "Don't play the butter notes." 307 00:25:37,984 --> 00:25:41,643 And I said, "Okay." I had no idea what he was talking about. 308 00:25:41,678 --> 00:25:43,265 ♪ 309 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:46,268 So I was thinking, "What does that mean, butter notes?" 310 00:25:46,303 --> 00:25:48,477 I thought fat notes, fat notes. 311 00:25:48,512 --> 00:25:51,066 Harmonically , I started thinking, "Well, what's obvious?" 312 00:25:51,101 --> 00:25:52,792 The third and the seven. 313 00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:55,312 It tells you if it's a major or a minor 314 00:25:55,346 --> 00:25:57,832 or a diminish or major or-- you know. 315 00:25:57,866 --> 00:26:01,249 I said, "Well, let me try leaving out the thirds and the sevenths as an exercise." 316 00:26:05,702 --> 00:26:11,570 I knew that Miles didn't care how good you sounded. 317 00:26:11,604 --> 00:26:13,641 You know, he wasn't about that. 318 00:26:13,675 --> 00:26:15,884 He only cared that you were working on something. 319 00:26:22,166 --> 00:26:23,789 Miles made us feel comfortable. 320 00:26:23,823 --> 00:26:28,621 He would never tell us what to play. Never, never. 321 00:26:28,656 --> 00:26:31,141 He would give us something to figure out 322 00:26:31,175 --> 00:26:34,213 so we could figure out the solution ourselves. 323 00:26:34,247 --> 00:26:36,905 Which is-- That's how a master teaches. 324 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:42,739 A master doesn't tell you what to do because a master wants you to reveal yourself. 325 00:26:52,887 --> 00:26:55,061 [Herbie] This is real collaboration that we're doing here. 326 00:26:55,096 --> 00:26:58,030 None of these arrangements are just finished 327 00:26:58,064 --> 00:27:01,792 the night before or two or three nights before, 328 00:27:01,827 --> 00:27:03,000 completely done, 329 00:27:03,035 --> 00:27:05,796 the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed 330 00:27:05,831 --> 00:27:07,591 and everything is all planned 331 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:09,317 and everybody gets told what to do. 332 00:27:09,351 --> 00:27:11,768 None of this record so far has been like that. 333 00:27:11,802 --> 00:27:15,185 It's all been really decided at the session. 334 00:27:27,922 --> 00:27:31,166 [Trey] What I would naturally do 335 00:27:31,201 --> 00:27:35,136 is I would start composing the stuff a little bit more. 336 00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:37,034 So we have these jam band sections, 337 00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:38,795 but you take some of those things, 338 00:27:38,829 --> 00:27:41,211 and that would be my natural inclination, 339 00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:42,937 if there's anything I could add. 340 00:27:42,971 --> 00:27:47,355 Then I'd start thinking of trying to make it a little more structured, 341 00:27:47,389 --> 00:27:49,357 whereas the Headhunters or even the Miles thing, 342 00:27:49,391 --> 00:27:52,878 and Miles did it with that,for instance, wrote the themes. 343 00:27:52,912 --> 00:27:54,500 Which is just a scrap. I can do that. 344 00:27:54,534 --> 00:27:56,571 - Okay. - That's not why I'm here. 345 00:27:56,605 --> 00:27:59,401 - Okay, great. - You know what I mean? 346 00:27:59,436 --> 00:28:01,610 I'm here because of stuff that I don't know what to do. 347 00:28:01,645 --> 00:28:06,408 I was trying to get more of what he's been doing 348 00:28:06,443 --> 00:28:11,586 in the territory that he's been exploring lately . 349 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:16,211 I was trying to... 350 00:28:16,246 --> 00:28:18,593 pull that out of him. 351 00:28:18,627 --> 00:28:21,872 But he wasn't going that way. 352 00:28:21,907 --> 00:28:23,287 If I wanted to do Headhunters, 353 00:28:23,322 --> 00:28:29,155 I could call Paul Jackson and get the Headhunters. 354 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,192 Let's say you took-- and tell me if this is-- 355 00:28:31,226 --> 00:28:33,781 - I'm just talkin'. - No, go ahead. 356 00:28:33,815 --> 00:28:35,679 - Let's say you took-- - No. Look, look. 357 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:38,475 - I'm open to all ideas.- Let's say took this idea here. 358 00:28:41,133 --> 00:28:43,860 - ♪ [humming] - Mm-hmm. 359 00:28:48,761 --> 00:28:51,591 Yeah. yeah. It does have that flavor and accent. 360 00:28:51,626 --> 00:28:53,559 Very nice. So let's say you're-- 361 00:28:53,593 --> 00:28:55,872 ♪ [continues improvising] 362 00:28:55,906 --> 00:28:58,667 And then there's that thing that... 363 00:28:58,702 --> 00:29:00,808 Even if they're just signposts. 364 00:29:00,842 --> 00:29:02,568 ♪ [humming] 365 00:29:02,602 --> 00:29:04,087 Right. Right, right. 366 00:29:04,121 --> 00:29:05,882 We could do that, like, 48 times and then-- 367 00:29:05,916 --> 00:29:07,159 [imitating drums] 368 00:29:07,193 --> 00:29:09,575 Yeah. I'm down. 369 00:29:09,609 --> 00:29:12,129 If you really want to get crazy,what you could do-- 370 00:29:12,164 --> 00:29:15,374 [Herbie] Everybody kept on getting more and more ideas about-- 371 00:29:15,408 --> 00:29:18,618 "Oh, why don't' we try this and put this track on? Try this track. 372 00:29:18,653 --> 00:29:20,724 How about if we put this on top?" 373 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,382 Pretty soon, we buried the track. 374 00:29:23,416 --> 00:29:26,903 You can't even hear what we originally had. 375 00:29:28,421 --> 00:29:29,975 That's not at all-- 376 00:29:30,009 --> 00:29:32,874 That's pretty much what they're all dancing to out there. 377 00:29:32,909 --> 00:29:35,152 That's what we're taking about, right? 378 00:29:35,187 --> 00:29:36,257 [all improvising] 379 00:30:19,956 --> 00:30:22,821 [Trey] When you look at the world, 380 00:30:22,855 --> 00:30:24,892 there's so much stuff you're excited about, 381 00:30:24,926 --> 00:30:26,479 it's really infectious 382 00:30:26,514 --> 00:30:30,069 and it makes me think that... anything is possible. 383 00:30:30,104 --> 00:30:33,245 'Cause I think that there's people I know that-- they just stop. 384 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,836 Soon as they latch on to something where people say, 385 00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:39,838 "Hey, that's really good," 386 00:30:39,872 --> 00:30:42,979 then they want to stay there because there's security, there's acceptance. 387 00:30:43,013 --> 00:30:46,465 Whatever there is, you know, and they feel comfortable. 388 00:30:46,499 --> 00:30:49,295 And they don't want to move outside that comfort zone. 389 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:52,229 But the hip stuff is outside the comfort zone. 390 00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:44,272 [Herbie] There's a discovery processof who you are as an individual. 391 00:32:44,307 --> 00:32:47,551 At the end of the day, 392 00:32:47,586 --> 00:32:51,279 nobody can take from you... 393 00:32:51,314 --> 00:32:55,697 what's created by your own being. 394 00:33:00,909 --> 00:33:04,983 Yeah, this is one of those songsthat has a lot of ways it could go. 395 00:33:08,745 --> 00:33:14,130 It's actually C-sharp minus seven, flat 5 is that's what it is, 396 00:33:14,164 --> 00:33:15,372 with an F-sharp on the bottom. 397 00:33:15,407 --> 00:33:17,996 - Oh, that's what it is. - If that helps. 398 00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:22,517 ♪ You know that I love you 399 00:33:22,552 --> 00:33:26,073 ♪ You know that I love you ♪ 400 00:33:26,107 --> 00:33:30,318 ♪ You know that I love you 401 00:33:30,353 --> 00:33:32,734 I'm trying to figure out should I do it falsetto there or just-- 402 00:33:32,769 --> 00:33:33,873 Full voice, I think. 403 00:33:33,908 --> 00:33:36,083 ♪ You know that I love you 404 00:33:36,117 --> 00:33:37,360 Yeah. More feeling. 405 00:33:37,394 --> 00:33:40,639 ♪ And there's love in your 406 00:33:41,743 --> 00:33:44,229 Okay. 407 00:33:44,263 --> 00:33:46,990 I brought my part out. [laughs] 408 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:09,150 ♪ So hush now 409 00:34:09,185 --> 00:34:13,396 ♪ Don't explain 410 00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:18,711 ♪ There ain't nothin' to gain 411 00:34:21,887 --> 00:34:25,753 ♪ Well, I'm glad 412 00:34:25,787 --> 00:34:28,825 ♪ You're back 413 00:34:28,859 --> 00:34:31,828 ♪ But don't explain 414 00:34:34,831 --> 00:34:37,351 They suggested the song "Don't Explain." 415 00:34:38,731 --> 00:34:41,044 And I said, "Well, that's cool. 416 00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:44,427 That's a Billie Holiday tune. Can they deliver that?" 417 00:34:44,461 --> 00:34:47,292 These are two very young artists from Ireland. 418 00:34:54,471 --> 00:34:57,992 ♪ Quiet, baby 419 00:34:58,026 --> 00:35:03,101 ♪ Don't explain 420 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:09,659 ♪ You know there ain't nothing to gain ♪ 421 00:35:11,799 --> 00:35:20,739 ♪ Skip that lipstick 422 00:35:20,773 --> 00:35:22,741 ♪ Don't explain 423 00:35:22,775 --> 00:35:25,640 And then it goes... [humming] 424 00:35:25,675 --> 00:35:26,986 And when it comes back, 425 00:35:27,021 --> 00:35:29,472 would it be better to go into, straight into the... 426 00:35:29,506 --> 00:35:32,509 ♪ You know that I love you 427 00:35:32,544 --> 00:35:37,065 ♪ And what love endures 428 00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:42,278 ♪ All my thoughts are of you 429 00:35:42,312 --> 00:35:47,075 ♪ I am so completely yours 430 00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:51,839 ♪ Don't wanna hear folks chatter ♪ 431 00:35:51,873 --> 00:35:56,706 ♪ 'Cause I know you cheat 432 00:35:56,740 --> 00:36:01,331 ♪ Right or wrong don't matter ♪ 433 00:36:01,366 --> 00:36:06,025 ♪ When I'm with you, sweet 434 00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:08,407 When I hear blues singers sing, 435 00:36:08,442 --> 00:36:12,170 I mean, that's sensitive, heartfelt stuff. 436 00:36:12,204 --> 00:36:13,930 Damien and Lisa sound like that. 437 00:36:13,964 --> 00:36:16,104 Just tears your heart out. 438 00:36:16,139 --> 00:36:19,901 ♪ Hush now 439 00:36:19,936 --> 00:36:23,767 ♪ Don't explain 440 00:36:26,425 --> 00:36:32,466 ♪ You know, you're my joy and you're my pain ♪ 441 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:39,404 There's so much jazz in the notes and phrases that she picks. 442 00:36:39,438 --> 00:36:42,821 She was singin' the ninthsand the elevenths of the chords. 443 00:36:42,855 --> 00:36:47,722 I mean, some of the things sound like choices that Miles would have made. 444 00:36:49,586 --> 00:37:00,114 ♪ Don't explain 445 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,229 I like that. [harmonizing] 446 00:37:11,263 --> 00:37:12,506 [chuckling] 447 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,508 Yeah. [humming] 448 00:37:14,542 --> 00:37:15,923 - Whatever that was. - Huh? What? 449 00:37:15,957 --> 00:37:18,097 Whatever that thing was. 450 00:37:18,132 --> 00:37:19,858 - Oh, what I just did? - Yeah. 451 00:37:19,892 --> 00:37:22,688 - I don't remember. - [all laugh] 452 00:37:35,701 --> 00:37:37,703 Are we there yet? We're getting there. 453 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:41,259 It's a party, man! 454 00:37:50,785 --> 00:37:52,442 ♪ Let's get together 455 00:37:53,961 --> 00:37:55,721 ♪ Let's get together 456 00:37:57,344 --> 00:37:59,415 ♪ Let's get together 457 00:37:59,449 --> 00:38:02,763 [Carlos] To be here right now with Herbie is very, very special. 458 00:38:02,797 --> 00:38:06,042 It's the whole-- This is what I dream of all of my life to be around. 459 00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:08,596 And it ain't about the color. I feel the same way about Bob Dylan. 460 00:38:16,984 --> 00:38:19,711 [Herbie] Music doesn't just grow out of thin air. 461 00:38:19,745 --> 00:38:22,783 It comes from the life of the people that are playin' it. 462 00:38:22,817 --> 00:38:26,545 The human spirit of the artist,not just from the notes and harmonies 463 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:28,858 and from their musicality. 464 00:38:42,216 --> 00:38:43,355 Yup. Great. 465 00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:45,461 Yeah, I'm ready. I'm waiting for you. 466 00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:21,945 ♪ [foreign language] 467 00:39:36,063 --> 00:39:37,616 Now the next one. Boom. 468 00:39:43,726 --> 00:39:45,486 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 469 00:39:52,251 --> 00:39:54,253 My darling, my love. 470 00:39:54,288 --> 00:39:57,084 - Oh, my darling. - My love, my darling. 471 00:39:57,118 --> 00:40:00,087 My love, my darling. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 472 00:40:00,121 --> 00:40:01,295 Which African language is this? 473 00:40:01,329 --> 00:40:02,917 Safi, Safiis... 474 00:40:02,952 --> 00:40:07,335 This one is... Bambara. 475 00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:09,303 - Bambara. - From Mali. 476 00:40:09,337 --> 00:40:12,962 Oh, from Mali. Oh. Bambara, okay. 477 00:40:12,996 --> 00:40:14,377 How many languages do you speak? 478 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,206 - Eight. - Whew! 479 00:40:16,241 --> 00:40:18,001 I'll write in "mina." 480 00:40:18,036 --> 00:40:21,833 ♪ [singing] 481 00:40:21,867 --> 00:40:23,455 - What are you saying? - No. 482 00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:28,011 Say, "Come. Let's all get together and be stronger." 483 00:40:28,046 --> 00:40:30,531 Okay. Okay. 484 00:40:30,566 --> 00:40:31,808 Perfect. 485 00:40:31,843 --> 00:40:34,293 ♪ [Bambara] 486 00:41:12,297 --> 00:41:14,299 [Herbie] One of things that I want to do with this record 487 00:41:14,333 --> 00:41:17,854 is have the music grow out of the realities of life. 488 00:41:17,889 --> 00:41:22,031 We've taken some time to kind of get to know each other personally. 489 00:41:22,065 --> 00:41:25,137 Talk about other kinds of things. Politics... 490 00:41:25,172 --> 00:41:29,038 I think free thought in this country is at a loss. 491 00:41:29,072 --> 00:41:30,591 Well, there's no thought. 492 00:41:30,626 --> 00:41:34,215 - You're labeled unpatriotic to question. - Exactly. 493 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:39,876 If you are working toward touching the parts of a person's life 494 00:41:39,911 --> 00:41:41,775 that have to do with elegance-- 495 00:41:41,809 --> 00:41:44,743 - Beauty, elegance, excellence,grace, dignity. - Exactly. 496 00:41:44,778 --> 00:41:50,059 It's the opposite of those who are trying to touch 497 00:41:50,093 --> 00:41:55,582 the part of a person's being that is about power for the sake of power. 498 00:41:55,616 --> 00:41:58,032 This is the thing. We don't have to worry about anybody else's doing. 499 00:41:58,067 --> 00:42:01,691 All you need to do is that every day is a battlefield. 500 00:42:01,726 --> 00:42:04,936 But if you fight with anger, you're the problem. 501 00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:07,455 If you fight with joy, you're the solution. 502 00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:45,632 The craziness of genocide in Rwanda 503 00:42:45,666 --> 00:42:49,187 shows you how cynical we human beings try to be 504 00:42:49,221 --> 00:42:52,362 and how mean we can be by trying to call ourselves gods 505 00:42:52,397 --> 00:42:55,193 because next to every embassy, 506 00:42:55,227 --> 00:42:59,438 you find huge holes with a dead body in it because of the genocide. 507 00:42:59,473 --> 00:43:01,682 Millions have been killed. Millions. 508 00:43:01,717 --> 00:43:05,444 It's hard for me to find joy every day 509 00:43:05,479 --> 00:43:08,171 because everywhere, every step you go, 510 00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:11,968 you find on your way barriers that just hold you back. 511 00:43:12,003 --> 00:43:15,109 It's like pounding on a wall that doesn't want to move. 512 00:43:15,144 --> 00:43:19,527 But I will pound till it fallsbecause it has to be like that. 513 00:43:19,562 --> 00:43:21,840 - But light is stronger than dark. - Oh. 514 00:43:21,875 --> 00:43:23,704 And you have a lot of light in you. 515 00:43:23,739 --> 00:43:27,294 - Conviction, it's from your soul. - Oh, definitely. 516 00:43:27,328 --> 00:43:29,641 You have to have conviction to go out there and say, 517 00:43:29,676 --> 00:43:31,436 "You can't stop me. 518 00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:33,265 You cannot break my spirit. 519 00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:35,992 Before I go and I'm done with this body, 520 00:43:36,027 --> 00:43:40,031 there will be some hearts that will be touched by my spirit." 521 00:44:41,402 --> 00:44:43,888 [all laughing] 522 00:44:43,922 --> 00:44:46,131 That's what I call an ending. 523 00:44:46,166 --> 00:44:47,477 [applause] 524 00:44:47,512 --> 00:44:51,205 And now enjoy a real divine treat. 525 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,656 Mr. Herbie Hancock, Mr. Wayne Shorter. 526 00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:57,384 ♪ 527 00:45:07,187 --> 00:45:10,638 Of all the living musicians today, 528 00:45:10,673 --> 00:45:13,849 [Herbie] Wayne Shorter is the one at the top of my list 529 00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:19,647 that grabs my attention, and my respect, and my admiration. 530 00:45:25,895 --> 00:45:29,243 I met Wayne back in the early '60s before I joined Miles's band. 531 00:45:46,398 --> 00:45:49,091 I remember thinkin', "Wayne is brilliant, 532 00:45:49,125 --> 00:45:54,613 but I can't tell whether it's that he's a genius or he's a madman." 533 00:46:04,865 --> 00:46:07,385 [Herbie]Well, I find out he's a genius. 534 00:46:29,372 --> 00:46:30,857 [Wayne] There's no plan. 535 00:46:30,891 --> 00:46:33,549 It's just, you know, come out there... 536 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:35,240 vulnerable... 537 00:46:35,275 --> 00:46:37,587 and walk the walk. 538 00:46:37,622 --> 00:46:39,210 Thoughts, words and deeds. 539 00:46:49,496 --> 00:46:53,845 ♪ We were married on a rainy day ♪ 540 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,885 ♪ The sky was yellow and grass was gray ♪ 541 00:46:58,919 --> 00:47:03,475 ♪ We signed the papers and drove away ♪ 542 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:08,101 ♪ I do it for your love 543 00:47:28,466 --> 00:47:33,505 ♪ The sky was yellow and the grass was gray ♪ 544 00:47:33,954 --> 00:47:38,338 The concept of the record is that it's a duet, 545 00:47:38,372 --> 00:47:47,278 so... the vocals are only half of what's going on 546 00:47:55,182 --> 00:47:57,288 and the other half Paul mentioned that maybe we could do it as a duet. 547 00:47:57,322 --> 00:48:01,499 I said to Paul, "What if we had maybe two or three percussionists 548 00:48:01,533 --> 00:48:04,605 create some kind of exotic rhythm track?" 549 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,988 Percussion certainly... 550 00:48:08,023 --> 00:48:12,717 could allow the spirit of a duetand not interfere with it. 551 00:48:12,751 --> 00:48:15,237 What are you guys thinking rhythmically? 552 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,416 [Herbie] Paul Simon came to the recording studio 553 00:48:22,451 --> 00:48:25,316 a day earlier than he was scheduled. 554 00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:28,526 Actually, I got to the studio, he was already there. 555 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,668 He offered to organize the percussion section. 556 00:48:32,702 --> 00:48:36,120 ♪ [humming] 557 00:48:44,059 --> 00:48:48,649 ♪ We were married on a rainy day ♪ 558 00:48:48,684 --> 00:48:53,620 ♪ The sky was yellow and the grass was gray ♪ 559 00:48:53,654 --> 00:48:55,553 [Herbie] He did do Graceland, 560 00:48:55,587 --> 00:48:57,175 combining a rhythmic track 561 00:48:57,210 --> 00:49:01,697 that had North African, Middle Eastern influence. 562 00:49:01,731 --> 00:49:06,391 It kind of triggered those memories in his head. 563 00:49:09,049 --> 00:49:10,775 Even though Herbie says, 564 00:49:10,809 --> 00:49:14,986 "Look, I don't want to make a jazz record," you know, 565 00:49:15,021 --> 00:49:17,057 I think what he means is 566 00:49:17,092 --> 00:49:21,544 he doesn't want to make a cliched jazz record. 567 00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:27,378 ♪ The sky was yellow the grass was gray ♪ 568 00:49:27,412 --> 00:49:30,105 [Herbie] The big surprise was that he said to me, 569 00:49:30,139 --> 00:49:35,006 "Hey, Herbie, you think there's a way for you to do my tune in a minor key?" 570 00:49:35,041 --> 00:49:37,181 And I went... 571 00:49:37,215 --> 00:49:39,666 Hmm. Yeah, I think so." 572 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,230 Not only did Paul ask me if I could do this song in a minor key, 573 00:49:52,265 --> 00:49:57,442 but the other suggestion he made was to do the song 574 00:49:57,477 --> 00:50:00,100 and just have one minor cord. 575 00:50:00,135 --> 00:50:02,137 And I thought about it, 576 00:50:02,171 --> 00:50:04,794 and I said, "Well, there's a way to approach that." 577 00:50:25,746 --> 00:50:28,680 ♪ [scatting] 578 00:51:24,288 --> 00:51:25,737 No, no, no. That's okay. That's okay. 579 00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:44,584 [Herbie] If I were trying to do a record 580 00:51:44,618 --> 00:51:49,036 just for the fans that already buy my records, 581 00:51:49,071 --> 00:51:53,524 then I could just do the regular jazz record. 582 00:51:53,558 --> 00:51:58,805 I'm looking to show other sides of me influenced by other people, 583 00:51:58,839 --> 00:52:01,256 by the environment, by the times. 584 00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:09,091 ♪ [computerized] 585 00:52:16,443 --> 00:52:17,789 [Brian] One, nine, five. 586 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:40,640 One, two... 587 00:52:47,198 --> 00:52:50,132 [Herbie] I've been around science and technology for a number of years. 588 00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:52,445 When I was a kid,when I was like five years old, 589 00:52:52,479 --> 00:52:54,585 even before I started playing piano, 590 00:52:54,619 --> 00:52:57,588 I used to take apart watches and put them back together, 591 00:52:57,622 --> 00:53:01,316 and I tried to take apart my electric-- Lionel electric train 592 00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:03,214 and put it back together. 593 00:53:03,249 --> 00:53:05,699 Most of the time they didn't work when I put them back together, 594 00:53:05,734 --> 00:53:08,461 but I was always this curious kind of kid. 595 00:53:08,495 --> 00:53:12,706 I was an engineering major in college for my first two years. 596 00:53:12,741 --> 00:53:14,501 ♪ 597 00:53:14,536 --> 00:53:16,054 One, two. 598 00:53:16,089 --> 00:53:19,057 Is that zero? 599 00:53:23,545 --> 00:53:26,686 You got minus two, minus one, zero. 600 00:53:31,518 --> 00:53:33,244 One, two. 601 00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:36,627 [Herbie] Synthesizers didn't come on the scene till around the '70s, 602 00:53:36,661 --> 00:53:38,456 very late '60s. 603 00:53:38,491 --> 00:53:41,597 I was there, yeah. 604 00:53:41,632 --> 00:53:49,812 ♪ 605 00:53:49,847 --> 00:53:51,228 This is amazing. 606 00:53:51,262 --> 00:53:55,197 This is not just a piano. It is a synthesizer. 607 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,199 This instrument, this keyboard, 608 00:53:57,234 --> 00:54:00,547 which works with this computer here and this monitor here. 609 00:54:00,582 --> 00:54:02,480 All these things work together. 610 00:54:02,515 --> 00:54:06,519 And you can have so many other different kinds of things 611 00:54:06,553 --> 00:54:08,141 that you can't do on a piano. 612 00:54:08,175 --> 00:54:11,282 For example, I can play... ♪ 613 00:54:11,317 --> 00:54:13,008 See how fun? 614 00:54:13,042 --> 00:54:15,528 I want you make laughter. How about that? 615 00:54:15,562 --> 00:54:16,770 Play this note. 616 00:54:16,805 --> 00:54:17,978 [electronic laughter] 617 00:54:18,013 --> 00:54:19,532 [giggling] 618 00:54:19,566 --> 00:54:21,706 [Man] Whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa! 619 00:54:21,741 --> 00:54:23,467 [laughs] 620 00:54:23,501 --> 00:54:25,779 Say it! Say that! Say it! 621 00:54:25,814 --> 00:54:28,782 [women] ♪ Doo doo wop ♪ 622 00:54:28,817 --> 00:54:31,026 [laughs] What? 623 00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:35,617 Herbie's exuberance about technology and his sense of adventurism, 624 00:54:35,651 --> 00:54:39,897 just new ways to create, you know, 625 00:54:39,931 --> 00:54:44,004 going into new possibilities is definitely contagious. 626 00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:45,834 ♪ 627 00:54:45,868 --> 00:54:46,973 Yeah! 628 00:54:48,802 --> 00:54:51,460 [Herbie] I was becoming more and more frustrated 629 00:54:51,495 --> 00:54:53,669 with the music that I was playing. 630 00:54:53,704 --> 00:54:56,120 All of a sudden, I started to think about Sly Stone 631 00:54:56,154 --> 00:54:58,053 when I was into Sly Stone. 632 00:54:58,087 --> 00:54:59,330 And I started thinkin', 633 00:54:59,365 --> 00:55:01,953 "Boy, thank you for letting me be myself again." 634 00:55:01,988 --> 00:55:05,302 That's the funkiest thing I ever heard in my life." 635 00:55:05,336 --> 00:55:07,511 ♪ 636 00:55:07,545 --> 00:55:10,065 Would I like to play something that's funky? 637 00:55:10,099 --> 00:55:11,446 The answer was yes. 638 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,550 ♪ 639 00:55:12,585 --> 00:55:14,241 That's just funky. 640 00:55:18,245 --> 00:55:21,490 - Damn. - Imagine if you had this during Headhunters. 641 00:55:21,525 --> 00:55:25,805 ♪ 642 00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:28,842 [Herbie] The idea of fusion was not a new concept. 643 00:55:28,877 --> 00:55:33,502 But using fusion was rock and jazz and I think a little funk. 644 00:55:33,537 --> 00:55:36,850 We started writing these tunes and did this record that we called Headhunters. 645 00:55:43,063 --> 00:55:46,377 I was coming really from my Mwandishiside, 646 00:55:46,412 --> 00:55:50,312 from the stuff I did back in the early '70s, 647 00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:52,970 the avant-garde area that I worked in. 648 00:56:23,932 --> 00:56:25,485 Back in the early '80s, 649 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,799 I was at the right place at the right time with the right people. 650 00:56:28,833 --> 00:56:30,525 ♪ [scratching] 651 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,501 I heard scratching as kind of an ambient kind of sound, you know, 652 00:56:41,536 --> 00:56:43,296 but in a rhythmic fashion. 653 00:56:43,330 --> 00:56:45,988 I said, "Yeah, I want to do something with that." 654 00:56:56,136 --> 00:56:57,862 "Rockit" was a great turning point. 655 00:56:57,897 --> 00:57:00,658 The origins of hip-hop started in the late '70s. 656 00:57:00,693 --> 00:57:03,212 Herbie was certainly one of the first, if not thefirst 657 00:57:03,247 --> 00:57:06,423 jazz artist to implement those elements. 658 00:57:12,221 --> 00:57:15,501 [Herbie] I had no idea that anything would happen with it. 659 00:57:15,535 --> 00:57:20,057 I remember one time somebody told me they went to... 660 00:57:20,091 --> 00:57:21,714 a break-dance contest. 661 00:57:21,748 --> 00:57:23,060 ♪ 662 00:57:23,094 --> 00:57:24,544 There were 25 groups, 663 00:57:24,579 --> 00:57:27,547 and they could each choose any piece of music 664 00:57:27,582 --> 00:57:29,653 they wanted to break to. 665 00:57:29,687 --> 00:57:31,965 24 of them chose "Rockit." 666 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,278 I said, "I'm glad I wasn't there. 667 00:57:34,312 --> 00:57:37,799 I don't think I wanted to hear that thing 24 times." 668 00:57:37,833 --> 00:57:39,628 ♪ 669 00:58:02,064 --> 00:58:04,101 There have been changes in my music. 670 00:58:04,135 --> 00:58:07,207 I would say that my music has gotten broader, 671 00:58:07,242 --> 00:58:09,313 and for me, it's like... 672 00:58:09,347 --> 00:58:14,214 expanding the colors that I can choose from 673 00:58:14,249 --> 00:58:15,768 for expression. 674 00:58:15,802 --> 00:58:18,805 ♪ 675 00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:33,786 ♪ Long white arms 676 00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:37,375 ♪ Losing their strength and form ♪ 677 00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:44,624 ♪ Sixty-year man on twenty-year-old skin ♪ 678 00:58:46,281 --> 00:58:49,560 ♪ Skeleton 679 00:58:49,595 --> 00:58:53,357 ♪ Your eyes have lost their warmth ♪ 680 00:58:53,391 --> 00:59:00,467 ♪ Look to your father for some support ♪ 681 00:59:01,986 --> 00:59:04,644 [Herbie] I wanted to bring something to Annie, 682 00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:09,787 so I asked Paula Cole if she had some things that maybe I could show to Annie. 683 00:59:09,822 --> 00:59:14,240 And she told me that Annie was like... 684 00:59:14,274 --> 00:59:16,794 probably themajor influence on her 685 00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:18,693 musically and as a singer. 686 00:59:18,727 --> 00:59:20,487 Anyway, I sent some things to Annie. 687 00:59:20,522 --> 00:59:23,180 One piece in particular she really loved, 688 00:59:23,214 --> 00:59:25,182 which was called "Hush Hush Hush." 689 00:59:25,216 --> 00:59:29,635 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 690 00:59:29,669 --> 00:59:32,810 Beautiful. It's beautiful. 691 00:59:32,845 --> 00:59:35,813 ♪ Hush No, just-- 692 00:59:35,848 --> 00:59:37,435 'Cause I go like this-- 693 00:59:37,470 --> 00:59:39,299 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 694 00:59:39,334 --> 00:59:41,578 And then we get your chord change. 695 00:59:41,612 --> 00:59:45,340 - ♪ Hush, hush, hush - Right, yeah. 696 00:59:46,755 --> 00:59:48,274 Okay. 697 00:59:48,308 --> 00:59:51,104 ♪ Cruel joke 698 00:59:51,139 --> 00:59:55,212 ♪ You waited so long to show 699 00:59:55,246 --> 01:00:03,220 ♪ The one that you wanted wasn't a girl ♪ 700 01:00:03,254 --> 01:00:05,809 What's this line, "The one that you wanted wasn't a girl"? 701 01:00:05,843 --> 01:00:07,396 You mean his father wanted a girl. 702 01:00:07,431 --> 01:00:10,503 That why this line, "Look to your father for some support." 703 01:00:10,537 --> 01:00:12,781 That's the one I never quite understood. 704 01:00:12,816 --> 01:00:16,198 ♪ Peace, peace, peace 705 01:00:16,233 --> 01:00:22,929 ♪ May you go in peace 706 01:00:24,759 --> 01:00:26,484 Hey, Herbie? 707 01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:27,865 Yeah, I'm here. 708 01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:31,075 You know, I just had an idea just to do... 709 01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:34,216 ♪ Or maybe next time 710 01:00:34,251 --> 01:00:35,666 ♪ [hums] 711 01:00:35,701 --> 01:00:38,704 ♪ Wake up tomorrow 712 01:00:38,738 --> 01:00:40,395 But it can be in the background. 713 01:00:40,429 --> 01:00:42,293 It doesn't have to be too strong. 714 01:00:42,328 --> 01:00:44,641 I love it, I love it. 715 01:00:44,675 --> 01:00:45,676 Okay. 716 01:00:47,229 --> 01:00:50,025 ♪ Or maybe next time 717 01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:54,961 ♪ You'll be Henry the VIII 718 01:00:54,996 --> 01:00:57,654 ♪ Wake up tomorrow 719 01:00:57,688 --> 01:01:01,209 ♪ Alexander the Great 720 01:01:01,243 --> 01:01:02,693 You know, that's odd, isn't it? 721 01:01:02,728 --> 01:01:06,732 The male personas that where... 722 01:01:06,766 --> 01:01:10,563 you'll come back as men-men, manly men. 723 01:01:10,597 --> 01:01:12,254 - Right. - You know? 724 01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:14,947 Henry the VIII, pretty manly man, apparently. 725 01:01:14,981 --> 01:01:17,052 Alexander the Great, maybe you-- 726 01:01:17,087 --> 01:01:18,295 That's a funny little twist. 727 01:01:18,329 --> 01:01:21,505 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 728 01:01:26,027 --> 01:01:30,410 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 729 01:01:30,445 --> 01:01:32,619 I think the daughter is realizing 730 01:01:32,654 --> 01:01:36,002 the father has this profound disappointment in his life, 731 01:01:36,037 --> 01:01:38,971 which he's in basic denial 732 01:01:39,005 --> 01:01:42,146 'cause he's going, "Hush. I'm the dad. Hush. No more." 733 01:01:42,181 --> 01:01:43,769 - Oh! - That's how I see it. 734 01:01:45,391 --> 01:01:48,014 - That makes the most sense. - Come on, Herbie, listen. 735 01:01:48,049 --> 01:01:51,500 As the our leader, put that call in. 736 01:01:51,535 --> 01:01:55,608 I actually have Herbie here, and he wants to ask you a question 737 01:01:55,642 --> 01:01:58,024 if it's not a bad time for you. 738 01:01:58,059 --> 01:02:00,751 Okay. Hold on. 739 01:02:00,786 --> 01:02:03,271 Paula. 740 01:02:03,305 --> 01:02:05,998 All right. How are you? 741 01:02:06,032 --> 01:02:07,654 Great. 742 01:02:07,689 --> 01:02:11,106 We've been doing "Hush Hush Hush" with Annie. 743 01:02:11,141 --> 01:02:12,936 Everybody's been speculating 744 01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:18,769 as to what the true meaning of the song is. 745 01:02:18,804 --> 01:02:20,978 How many interpretations have we-- 746 01:02:21,013 --> 01:02:23,118 Six, seven, eight. 747 01:02:23,153 --> 01:02:26,743 Six, seven or eight different interpretations. 748 01:02:26,777 --> 01:02:29,262 And we wanted to know for sure. Right. 749 01:02:29,297 --> 01:02:31,920 Yeah, here's Annie. 750 01:02:31,955 --> 01:02:33,542 Hi, Paula. 751 01:02:33,577 --> 01:02:36,028 [woman] That phone call was like a lighting bolt in my life. 752 01:02:36,062 --> 01:02:37,823 I'll always remember that phone call. 753 01:02:37,857 --> 01:02:39,307 I love them both so much, 754 01:02:39,341 --> 01:02:41,999 and when I spoke to Annie on the phone, 755 01:02:42,034 --> 01:02:46,797 she said, "Yeah, I guess you tried to meet me at one of my shows in Australia." 756 01:02:46,832 --> 01:02:48,661 I said, "Annie, you don't understand. 757 01:02:48,695 --> 01:02:50,628 I've been to every show of yours, 758 01:02:50,663 --> 01:02:53,908 starting from 1983, the Sweet Dreams Tour." 759 01:02:53,942 --> 01:02:57,118 Oh, it's such a wonderful song. 760 01:02:57,152 --> 01:02:59,776 I love the song. It's very haunting. 761 01:02:59,810 --> 01:03:02,675 We've been all so intrigued by it 'cause we were-- 762 01:03:02,709 --> 01:03:04,401 especially me-- 763 01:03:04,435 --> 01:03:08,198 desperate to know exactly what the story is behind it. 764 01:03:08,232 --> 01:03:10,200 We're just trying to piece it together. 765 01:03:10,234 --> 01:03:11,926 That's why I was saying all along, 766 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,583 "Herbie, you've got call her and find out really what this is about." 767 01:03:14,618 --> 01:03:17,794 ♪ Open your eyes 768 01:03:17,828 --> 01:03:22,350 ♪ In your new life again 769 01:03:22,384 --> 01:03:25,353 ♪ Oh, maybe next time 770 01:03:25,387 --> 01:03:30,668 ♪ You'll be given a chance 771 01:03:30,703 --> 01:03:32,636 [Paula] Lyrically, it's complicated, 772 01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:34,051 but chorally, it's different. 773 01:03:34,086 --> 01:03:37,123 It's not the normal, especially at the end. 774 01:03:37,158 --> 01:03:40,333 It goes into this cycle of major seven chords 775 01:03:40,368 --> 01:03:42,370 that almost feels like-- 776 01:03:42,404 --> 01:03:44,682 I mean, the song, as it's revealed, 777 01:03:44,717 --> 01:03:47,513 is about a young man dying of AIDS. 778 01:03:47,547 --> 01:03:49,653 It's about a young man dying of AIDS. 779 01:03:49,687 --> 01:03:51,413 That's what it is. 780 01:03:51,448 --> 01:03:53,657 We never got that. Oh, God. 781 01:03:53,691 --> 01:03:56,039 And her-- 782 01:03:56,073 --> 01:03:58,075 Oh, it's about somebody that you really knew. 783 01:03:58,110 --> 01:04:02,183 I wanted to write about that because a friend of mine died from AIDS, 784 01:04:02,217 --> 01:04:05,186 but it's such a heavy, big subject, 785 01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:07,774 and how do you sing about such a thing 786 01:04:07,809 --> 01:04:12,779 without it becoming morose or banal? 787 01:04:12,814 --> 01:04:17,163 I had to do it in a way that was... tender. 788 01:04:23,514 --> 01:04:27,380 [Herbie] His relationship with his father was never right. 789 01:04:27,415 --> 01:04:29,866 Finally, as he's dying, 790 01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:35,285 they're stumbling through trying to finally just, 791 01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:36,596 "Come on, now." 792 01:04:36,631 --> 01:04:39,185 Actually, now that we know what it is, 793 01:04:39,220 --> 01:04:41,394 it does give it a hell of an anchor, doesn't it? 794 01:04:41,429 --> 01:04:44,018 - Oh, yeah. - Hell of a context. 795 01:04:44,052 --> 01:04:47,193 ♪ All your life 796 01:04:47,228 --> 01:04:50,852 ♪ You kept it hidden inside 797 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:53,475 ♪ Now when you step 798 01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:55,961 ♪ You stumble 799 01:04:55,995 --> 01:04:59,033 ♪ You die 800 01:05:00,241 --> 01:05:03,175 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 801 01:05:03,209 --> 01:05:07,662 ♪ Says your Daddy's touch 802 01:05:07,696 --> 01:05:15,601 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 803 01:05:15,635 --> 01:05:18,397 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 804 01:05:22,988 --> 01:05:26,198 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 805 01:05:30,409 --> 01:05:34,309 ♪ Hush, hush, hush 806 01:05:34,344 --> 01:05:36,449 This is a record without borders. 807 01:05:36,484 --> 01:05:41,489 It'll be like a tapestry that's woven with many colors. 808 01:05:41,523 --> 01:05:43,422 ♪ [rock guitar] 809 01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:08,378 - How you doing, Jonny? - Really glad to meet you. 810 01:06:08,412 --> 01:06:12,865 Yeah, great pleasure, man. Thanks for makin' it all happen. 811 01:06:12,899 --> 01:06:17,939 ♪ 812 01:06:17,974 --> 01:06:21,978 ♪ I was a sailor I was lost at sea ♪ 813 01:06:22,012 --> 01:06:26,706 ♪ Under the waves before love rescued me ♪ 814 01:06:26,741 --> 01:06:30,676 ♪ I was a fighter I could turn on a thread ♪ 815 01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:35,129 ♪ Now I stand accused of the things I've said ♪ 816 01:06:35,163 --> 01:06:39,650 ♪ When love comes to town I'm gonna jump that train ♪ 817 01:06:39,685 --> 01:06:44,897 ♪ When love comes to town I'm gonna catch that flame ♪ 818 01:06:44,931 --> 01:06:48,694 ♪ Maybe I was wrong to ever let you down ♪ 819 01:06:48,728 --> 01:06:52,111 ♪ But I did what I did 820 01:06:52,146 --> 01:06:55,356 ♪ Before love came to town 821 01:06:57,979 --> 01:07:01,327 - ♪ Ooh, yeah - ♪ Yes, when love came down 822 01:07:01,362 --> 01:07:04,744 I had an idea. I don't know if this'll work or not, 823 01:07:04,779 --> 01:07:08,955 but when we do the vocal thing, 824 01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:12,476 what if the kit drums were more like a... 825 01:07:12,511 --> 01:07:16,135 [imitates drum] 826 01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:18,551 It would be... 827 01:07:18,586 --> 01:07:21,727 It would give it another flavor on top of it. I'd have to see how it is. 828 01:07:24,488 --> 01:07:26,628 ♪ [humming] 829 01:07:36,776 --> 01:07:42,506 ♪ I was there when they crucified my Lord ♪ 830 01:07:42,541 --> 01:07:46,476 ♪ I held the scabbard when the soldier drew his sword ♪ 831 01:07:46,510 --> 01:07:50,342 ♪ I threw the dice when-- 832 01:07:50,376 --> 01:07:51,515 [coughs] 833 01:07:51,550 --> 01:07:53,621 - [music stops] - Sorry. 834 01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,353 ♪ I threw the dice when they pierced his side, but I... ♪ 835 01:08:01,387 --> 01:08:03,320 All right, yeah. Let's do that. 836 01:08:03,355 --> 01:08:04,528 ♪ Pierced his side 837 01:08:04,563 --> 01:08:07,876 ♪ But I seen love conquer the 838 01:08:07,911 --> 01:08:09,878 - ♪ Great divide - Okay. All right. 839 01:08:09,913 --> 01:08:12,640 - Right on. That's great. - Okay, let me try. 840 01:08:12,674 --> 01:08:17,162 - I'm gonna forget by the time I get in there. - No, you won't. I got ya. 841 01:08:17,196 --> 01:08:21,338 ♪ I threw the dice when they pierced his side ♪ 842 01:08:21,373 --> 01:08:26,516 ♪ But I seen love conquer the great divide ♪ 843 01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:30,692 ♪ When love comes to town I'm gonna face that train ♪ 844 01:08:30,727 --> 01:08:35,525 ♪ When love comes to town I'm gonna catch that flame ♪ 845 01:08:35,559 --> 01:08:38,459 ♪ 846 01:08:38,493 --> 01:08:39,701 - Right? - Yeah. 847 01:08:39,736 --> 01:08:41,289 ♪ 848 01:08:41,324 --> 01:08:43,188 ♪ [humming] 849 01:09:29,406 --> 01:09:33,099 [all laughing] 850 01:09:33,134 --> 01:09:35,723 That was sick right there. 851 01:09:46,872 --> 01:09:50,531 [Herbie] I was in Paris in '85. I was doing 'Round Midnight. 852 01:09:52,464 --> 01:09:56,709 I would go at night. I'd go down to the theater to hear Sting. 853 01:09:56,744 --> 01:09:59,160 I sat in with him about three times. 854 01:09:59,195 --> 01:10:03,785 All the models would come to the theater to see Sting. 855 01:10:03,820 --> 01:10:08,031 Every night it was like fine chicks everywhere. 856 01:10:08,065 --> 01:10:10,620 - Hi. How are you? - I'm fine. Nice to meet the other side. 857 01:10:10,654 --> 01:10:13,243 Good. Oh, hey, Donna. How are you? 858 01:10:13,278 --> 01:10:17,937 Oh, hi. Pearl? Pleasure. 859 01:10:17,972 --> 01:10:19,560 - Hi. - Hey, how you doin'? 860 01:10:19,594 --> 01:10:21,665 - Nice to see you. - I'm so glad you're here. 861 01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:24,979 - Happy birthday. - I don't want to play that shit. 862 01:10:25,013 --> 01:10:26,981 - When was it? - What? 863 01:10:27,015 --> 01:10:29,570 My birthday was last Saturday. 864 01:10:29,604 --> 01:10:32,297 - A belated happy birthday. - Thank you, everybody. 865 01:10:32,331 --> 01:10:35,127 - So how old are you now? - I'm 53. 866 01:10:35,161 --> 01:10:38,130 - 53? I figured around-- - Same age as you. 867 01:10:38,164 --> 01:10:39,994 Yeah, right. 868 01:10:40,028 --> 01:10:43,411 [Herbie] When Sting suggested "Sister Moon," 869 01:10:43,446 --> 01:10:48,382 at first I started to think, you know, 870 01:10:48,416 --> 01:10:51,661 maybe we should writesomething specifically for this. 871 01:10:51,695 --> 01:10:55,768 Something new. But... 872 01:10:55,803 --> 01:11:00,325 Then I started to think, well, maybe we can come up with another way to do it. 873 01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:03,120 So I called Lionel Loueke, 874 01:11:03,155 --> 01:11:07,884 who is an amazing guitar playerfrom Benin, West Africa. 875 01:11:07,918 --> 01:11:10,611 He was a member of the student band 876 01:11:10,645 --> 01:11:13,752 for the Thelonious Monk Institute of Jazz. 877 01:11:13,786 --> 01:11:17,411 I called him and asked him, "You know, do you think... 878 01:11:19,551 --> 01:11:24,901 you could come up with some kind of arrangement idea 879 01:11:24,935 --> 01:11:29,112 that utilizes some of the stuff from Africa 880 01:11:29,146 --> 01:11:30,803 with the tune "Sister Moon"? 881 01:11:30,838 --> 01:11:34,428 So he made this arrangement, which-- 882 01:11:34,462 --> 01:11:36,326 I looked at it, but I haven't really played it. 883 01:11:36,361 --> 01:11:38,224 But I looked at some of the chords and stuff. 884 01:11:38,259 --> 01:11:39,916 - This is kind of cool. - Cool. 885 01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:43,885 [Herbie] Because of the particular culture that he comes from 886 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,577 in Benin, West Africa, 887 01:11:45,611 --> 01:11:49,857 there's some elementsthat he can lend to the music... 888 01:11:49,891 --> 01:11:52,135 ♪ 889 01:11:52,169 --> 01:11:55,449 that give it another kind of twist. 890 01:12:13,984 --> 01:12:16,435 Yeah. 891 01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:20,405 Yeah! That had some-- That was cool, man. 892 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,303 I'll set up Lionel. 893 01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:24,754 I didn't know what Lionel was going to come up with. 894 01:12:24,788 --> 01:12:27,343 ♪ [humming] 895 01:12:31,243 --> 01:12:33,866 Yeah. You got to get that push like that. 896 01:12:41,564 --> 01:12:43,462 It's cool. 897 01:12:43,497 --> 01:12:45,291 [Lionel] It's a lot about the rhythm. 898 01:12:45,326 --> 01:12:47,949 It's a lot about the spirit too. 899 01:12:47,984 --> 01:12:50,607 The way you-- 900 01:12:50,642 --> 01:12:55,198 The same phrase can be played from like ten musicians, 901 01:12:55,232 --> 01:12:57,511 and they all will play differently. 902 01:12:57,545 --> 01:13:01,929 Like the musicians from Africa,from America, from Europe, 903 01:13:01,963 --> 01:13:05,622 they all gonna play differentbecause from where you grow up, 904 01:13:05,657 --> 01:13:09,246 you have that background inside of you naturally. 905 01:13:24,538 --> 01:13:26,885 It overlaps stuff we know, 906 01:13:26,919 --> 01:13:29,025 but it's got this other stuff-- 907 01:13:29,059 --> 01:13:31,614 He cements it with his hand. 908 01:13:40,623 --> 01:13:43,315 ♪ Sister Moon 909 01:14:08,409 --> 01:14:12,137 ♪ Ah 910 01:14:12,171 --> 01:14:15,174 [scatting] 911 01:14:32,468 --> 01:14:34,746 That's right, that's right. 912 01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:38,612 - Say, what's the number about?- It can change. 913 01:14:38,646 --> 01:14:41,925 [Herbie] Something that took us "pros" 914 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,722 a while to really kind of... 915 01:14:45,757 --> 01:14:48,898 grasp the heart of it, you know. 916 01:14:48,932 --> 01:14:50,140 It wasn't-- 917 01:14:50,175 --> 01:14:54,420 Yes, we could play it, but to really, like, own it, 918 01:14:54,455 --> 01:14:55,525 it took awhile. 919 01:14:57,458 --> 01:14:59,391 [Herbie] I'm sorry. I keep screwing it up. 920 01:14:59,425 --> 01:15:01,635 You got to pay attention. 921 01:15:01,669 --> 01:15:03,188 Yeah, yeah. 922 01:15:04,776 --> 01:15:08,227 [Sting] I tried to do a riff here. I couldn't really get it. 923 01:15:08,262 --> 01:15:12,093 You saw how long it took us to find the meter. 924 01:15:12,128 --> 01:15:14,682 - Oh, here, here. - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 925 01:15:14,717 --> 01:15:15,856 ♪ 926 01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:19,376 ♪ Lying in 927 01:15:19,411 --> 01:15:22,759 ♪ a mother's arms 928 01:15:22,794 --> 01:15:26,073 ♪ A primal root 929 01:15:26,107 --> 01:15:29,870 ♪ Of a woman's charms 930 01:15:29,904 --> 01:15:33,080 ♪ I'm a stranger to the sun 931 01:15:33,114 --> 01:15:37,153 ♪ My eyes are too weak 932 01:15:37,187 --> 01:15:40,156 ♪ How cold is a heart 933 01:15:40,190 --> 01:15:43,711 ♪ When it's warmth that it seeks ♪ 934 01:15:43,746 --> 01:15:46,196 ♪ You watch every night 935 01:15:46,231 --> 01:15:49,165 ♪ You don't care what I do 936 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:54,688 ♪ I'd go out of my mind 937 01:15:56,137 --> 01:16:00,866 ♪ I'd go out of my mind but for you ♪ 938 01:16:00,901 --> 01:16:02,799 [clapping] 939 01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:08,943 [Lionel] One of my dreams was to be in America. 940 01:16:08,978 --> 01:16:13,741 And one of my highest dreams was to play with the best. 941 01:16:13,776 --> 01:16:16,226 You know, Herbie, Wayne. 942 01:16:16,261 --> 01:16:20,955 And you know, it's like, for me, I'm living my dream. 943 01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:22,163 [Herbie] He's really talented. 944 01:16:22,198 --> 01:16:24,994 I want him to get everything he deserves 945 01:16:25,028 --> 01:16:27,168 'cause he's a sweetheart of a guy. 946 01:16:27,203 --> 01:16:30,171 That's the kind of people we want to be big stars. 947 01:16:30,206 --> 01:16:31,966 I'm sick of the assholes. 948 01:16:33,554 --> 01:16:38,697 ♪ My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun ♪ 949 01:16:40,354 --> 01:16:46,049 ♪ My hunger for her explains everything I've done ♪ 950 01:16:46,084 --> 01:16:49,466 ♪ To howl at the moon 951 01:16:49,501 --> 01:16:52,366 ♪ The whole night through 952 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:58,027 ♪ And they really don't care 953 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:07,243 ♪ I'd go out of my mind 954 01:17:09,555 --> 01:17:15,285 ♪ I'd go out of my mind but for you ♪ 955 01:17:20,049 --> 01:17:21,395 I didn't know he was that bad. 956 01:17:21,429 --> 01:17:23,017 I didn't know he was that happening. 957 01:17:23,052 --> 01:17:26,158 I mean, I knew he can sing, but... 958 01:17:26,193 --> 01:17:29,368 he was doing a lot of stuff I never heard him do. 959 01:17:33,096 --> 01:17:36,272 You were killing it. I never heard you sing like that. 960 01:17:36,306 --> 01:17:39,309 - Me, neither. - I mean, you-- 961 01:18:37,713 --> 01:18:43,995 ♪ My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun ♪ 962 01:18:44,029 --> 01:18:49,759 ♪ My hunger for her explains everything I've done ♪ 963 01:18:49,794 --> 01:18:53,107 ♪ To howl at the moon 964 01:18:53,142 --> 01:18:55,800 ♪ The whole night through 965 01:18:55,834 --> 01:19:02,979 ♪ And they really don't care 966 01:19:06,534 --> 01:19:10,193 ♪ I'd go out of my mind 967 01:19:13,231 --> 01:19:14,888 ♪ But for you 968 01:19:26,071 --> 01:19:29,454 [chanting] 969 01:19:32,491 --> 01:19:35,529 [Herbie] It really took my practice of Buddhism 970 01:19:35,563 --> 01:19:37,565 to help me to realize 971 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,363 that those lessons that were taught to me about music, 972 01:19:42,398 --> 01:19:45,608 these lessons are really applied to life. 973 01:19:45,642 --> 01:19:49,854 I mean, isn't it a human being's highest goal 974 01:19:49,888 --> 01:19:53,340 to be able to take whatever happens, 975 01:19:53,374 --> 01:19:55,860 whether it's feast or famine, 976 01:19:55,894 --> 01:19:59,725 whether it's pleasant things or unpleasant things, 977 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:04,558 to take those things and somehow turn them into something of value? 978 01:20:12,704 --> 01:20:13,187 ♪ [ethereal] 979 01:20:13,222 --> 01:20:16,777 ♪ [ethereal] 980 01:20:46,945 --> 01:20:52,399 [Herbie] I used to have the opinion that I am a musician. 981 01:20:52,433 --> 01:20:56,023 I used to think that. I don't think that anymore 982 01:20:56,058 --> 01:20:57,714 because I realize, 983 01:20:57,749 --> 01:21:00,856 because of this practice, 984 01:21:00,890 --> 01:21:06,447 that I am a human being first. 985 01:21:11,314 --> 01:21:13,730 Being a musician is something that I do. 986 01:21:13,765 --> 01:21:16,319 It's not something that I am. 987 01:21:16,354 --> 01:21:19,426 I'm much more interested in improving my life 988 01:21:19,460 --> 01:21:23,602 and my life as a servant of humanity. 989 01:21:26,226 --> 01:21:29,022 And I realize also 990 01:21:29,056 --> 01:21:32,680 that that's the purpose of my music, 991 01:21:32,715 --> 01:21:34,234 is to serve humanity. 992 01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:39,515 [woman] What is your purpose for coming to Hiroshima? 993 01:21:39,549 --> 01:21:44,727 We're hoping to throw as large a stone as we possibly can 994 01:21:44,761 --> 01:21:47,281 into the ocean of ideas 995 01:21:47,316 --> 01:21:51,596 to draw attention to the importance 996 01:21:51,630 --> 01:21:55,841 of the establishment of a lasting peace. 997 01:22:05,921 --> 01:22:07,715 [shouting] 998 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:11,478 [applause] 999 01:22:11,512 --> 01:22:14,136 [Japanese announcer] 1000 01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:39,161 ♪ 1001 01:23:25,655 --> 01:23:28,382 [Herbie] For years, music-- 1002 01:23:28,417 --> 01:23:31,006 in particular, jazz performers-- 1003 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,629 have been cultural ambassadors. 1004 01:23:33,663 --> 01:23:36,114 I mean, you know, 1005 01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:39,117 Duke Ellington and Dizzy Gillespie 1006 01:23:39,152 --> 01:23:42,776 have played all over the planetand have written pieces 1007 01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:48,057 inspired by the different cultures that they've been exposed to. 1008 01:24:23,058 --> 01:24:24,990 [Herbie] So here we are, Americans, 1009 01:24:25,025 --> 01:24:29,754 members of the country that did this horrible, tragic act. 1010 01:24:29,788 --> 01:24:33,620 It was our way to represent 1011 01:24:33,654 --> 01:24:36,795 the American spirit of sorrow and apology. 1012 01:24:56,539 --> 01:24:58,472 Whew. 1013 01:24:58,507 --> 01:25:01,786 The world should see this museum. 1014 01:25:01,820 --> 01:25:06,584 It's so necessary to constantly be reminded 1015 01:25:06,618 --> 01:25:09,794 of the kind of results 1016 01:25:09,828 --> 01:25:15,593 that are a product of man's inhumanity toward man. 1017 01:25:20,529 --> 01:25:23,877 This is the replica of the actual bomb. It's call the Fat Man. 1018 01:25:31,781 --> 01:25:33,576 [Wayne] And when it's too late, 1019 01:25:33,611 --> 01:25:35,854 we find out about the beauty of something that we destroyed. 1020 01:25:41,653 --> 01:25:45,485 [Herbie] We must ensure that the lives who were lost, 1021 01:25:45,519 --> 01:25:49,420 their suffering was not in vain 1022 01:25:49,454 --> 01:25:54,425 for the future and survival of those who inhabit the earth. 1023 01:26:11,476 --> 01:26:14,445 Through my music, I've been able to realize 1024 01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,517 that there isn't just one way of looking at this, 1025 01:26:17,551 --> 01:26:23,005 or there isn't just one way to look at 1026 01:26:23,039 --> 01:26:25,387 the difficulties we have in life. 1027 01:26:25,421 --> 01:26:28,355 There's an infinite number of ways to look at things. 1028 01:26:47,650 --> 01:26:51,896 Sometimes we have to createthat vision or that possibility. 1029 01:26:51,930 --> 01:26:56,141 But the human spirit has the ability to be able to do that. 1030 01:27:01,768 --> 01:27:04,288 [applause] 1031 01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:17,680 ♪ 1032 01:29:21,804 --> 01:29:24,704 When you said Jew's harp, first I thought, 1033 01:29:24,738 --> 01:29:27,016 "Okay, maybe she's screwing around." 1034 01:29:27,051 --> 01:29:30,192 But you said, "No, I am really good at Jew's harp." 1035 01:29:30,226 --> 01:29:32,815 Then something told me, 1036 01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:34,921 "I wonder if she's telling the truth." 1037 01:29:34,955 --> 01:29:36,612 ♪ 1038 01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:40,478 ♪ 1039 01:30:46,095 --> 01:30:49,064 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.- I like it when you conduct me. 74960

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