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When my son was murdered,
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the police thought, "Just
another Black boy stabbed."
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You're telling me that
there's nothing you can do,
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and I don't accept that.
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What the hell is Operation
Fishpool? This is all one case.
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I'd like to take on the
Stephen Lawrence murder.
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This is not a whodunnit.
We know who done it,
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and yet no-one has been held to
account for young Stephen's murder.
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His body was covered in
bruises and abrasions
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from being kicked and punched.
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There were two stab wounds. No,
overarm, like you're bowling.
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Well, there's a pattern.
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He's a decent witness,
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delays in following 'em
up, and changes of heart.
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What kind of evidence?
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These were found on Dobson's jacket,
and these on Norris' trousers.
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Microscopically indistinguishable
from Stephen's polo shirt.
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You realise this is the
first physical evidence
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linking any of the
suspects with Stephen?
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Mistakes were made, but this is
my case now, so will you trust me?
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Trust has to be earned.
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He told me not to tell
nobody, but it's all here.
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What? Same old Met.
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A dream has
come true here today.
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This building will
be a nurturing space,
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but it will also be a
space of high expectation.
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We still have an uphill battle
against the low expectations
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society has for Black children.
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So this will be a space where we see
your gifts and expect excellence.
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And when I see the work you young
people are already achieving,
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your creativity and
ambition, that, to me,
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is the best way we can
remember and celebrate Stephen.
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Thank you for coming.
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Come on!
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I've called the insurance
company already.
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Mr Driscoll.
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I take it you're not here
about the broken glass.
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What happened? This
is not the first time.
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Some people don't like what
we're trying to do. So?
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Er, I wanted to
straighten things out.
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The business with
the newspapers.
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I'm confident the leak
didn't come from my team.
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Oh, I got some doughnuts.
Thought maybe...
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I'm glad you're
confident, but I'm not,
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because to me, this
is the same old Met,
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so concerned with publicity
that you'll jeopardise
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the investigation
for a good headline.
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Mrs Lawrence, I was as furious as
you were when I read the headlines,
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the story...
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Do something for me. Read these.
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Out loud.
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"If you don't like this
country, get in your canoe"
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"and go back to
where you came from."
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I mean... No, go on.
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"You ungrateful Black bitch."
Look, this is a hate crime.
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I get this rubbish every
time Stephen's in the paper.
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I made the choice
to fight for my son,
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rather than keeping my mouth
shut, and I pay a price for that,
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but I resent paying for
the Met's publicity stunts.
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I know we haven't done much
to inspire your confidence
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over the years, but
this is my case now.
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We've got a real chance here.
The forensics are promising.
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But if there are people in
the Met working against you,
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you have a problem.
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You need to ask yourself why there
are people in your organisation
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who don't want you to succeed.
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Birdy. Did we, er, get the
statement from the witnesses?
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This is one of the most
sensitive investigations
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on the Met's books, and we can't
even get a door that closes.
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I've been on to estates.
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We wanna nail this
case, don't we?
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Right, well, there are people out
there who don't want us to nail it,
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people out there who don't want
us to succeed where they failed,
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people who want to make
excuses, blame the victims.
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Well, I can't do anything about
those people, but I tell you,
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if I find out anyone in this office
has been leaking stuff to the press,
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I will deal with
them... thoroughly.
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From now on, no paperwork
left lying around.
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We're all accountable.
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They were all as gutted
as we were, Clive.
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Incoming forensic reports, you
and me only. Keep 'em in the safe.
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Anyone else, as
and when required.
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They closed Rolan's school,
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and asked if we wanted the memorial
plaque before they knocked it down.
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How you keep going?
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It's a life sentence, Neville.
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I've accepted that.
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All I can do is try to make
my anger... productive,
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use it to bring about change.
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But it changed me, you
know? That's the problem.
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It's stolen my memories. I...
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I can't see Stephen's smile,
I can't hear his laugh
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without thinking about the killers
and feeling so much hatred.
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I pray so hard for the
strength to forgive.
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Forgiveness? Huh!
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I mean... have they
shown any remorse?
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No. No. That's the problem.
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Then it's not your problem.
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Forgiveness... is
not yours to give.
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They have to ask.
They have to atone.
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Without that
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dangerous, man.
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How you mean? Lets the
country off the hook, man.
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Lets people think that, that
we can do without justice,
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without accountability.
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When Rolan was killed
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the BNP called his murderers
"heroes of the white race".
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I remember that. Right.
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But when we protested, it was
us they called extremists.
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It was our children that the police
harassed, and not the racists.
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And now, now they want us
to forgive and move on,
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so that they can carry on and
pretend that all is well in England.
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No. Uh-uh.
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When England finally gets angry
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about Black children being
lynched in the streets,
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when the police and the
government say enough is enough,
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maybe then I will
let go my anger.
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But until we have real change.
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I'm not gonna
cheapen my son's life
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with forgiveness.
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Uh-uh.
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I've made contact with most of the
coppers from the scene that night,
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mostly retired now, and mostly
none too thrilled to hear from me.
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What about Duwayne Brooks? He
wants nothing to do with us.
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But I was sort of thinking,
do we really need him?
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I mean, this case is gonna
rest on the forensics, yeah?
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Forensics are slippery eels.
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Get a scientist on the stand,
half the jury will glaze over.
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We need them to hear
Duwayne's story,
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along with any other witnesses
we can persuade to come forward.
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Give me the files from the
kids on the estate again.
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They're our best
hope at the minute.
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Louise? Clive Driscoll.
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I'm a detective investigating
the murder of Stephen Lawrence.
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I don't wanna talk to you.
You did wanna talk, though.
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You responded to the witness appeal
in 1993. That took real guts.
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No. Sorry.
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Five minutes. Just a chat.
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All right. But you're
not coming in my flat.
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I wasn't from the area.
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I just used to see a
boy off the estate.
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That's how you knew
the Acourts? Yeah.
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Knowing they've killed a boy, having
a secret like that, it was horrible.
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When I did tell the police,
they didn't seem interested,
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so after that...
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Yeah, well, after that,
you didn't trust us.
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Exactly.
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And meantime, I was hearing
things about David's dad.
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Clifford Norris. Yeah.
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People getting
threatened, and worse.
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I was 15. I was
clueless, petrified.
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Look, Louise, this isn't 1993.
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If you do the right thing, there
won't be any repercussions,
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and we can protect you from
the likes of Clifford Norris.
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I'm not being rude, but if you
haven't managed to catch those boys
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after all these years, why should
I believe you can protect me?
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'Financial report about the
Olympics. I mean, just bizarre.
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'I mean, I think Boris is hoping one
day to be leader of the Tory Party
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'and Prime Minister, and his
party's never gonna let him do that,
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'any more than the Labour Party
would let me do it. Too big a risk.
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'So this is the best job he's
ever gonna have in politics,
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'and my advice would
be, "Do it..." '
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For goodness sake!
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Goodness.
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Excuse me, you've just
hit my car. Excuse me.
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Excuse me.
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Hey! No! No, no!
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How much longer am I
going to have to wait?
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Someone will be with you
in due course, madam.
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Can you not check it out?
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Your colleague said 20
minutes an hour ago.
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Name?
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I don't know, they didn't...
No, your name. What's your name?
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Doreen Lawrence.
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I'm afraid at the moment
all of our officers
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are currently busy on
high-priority calls.
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This was a car-jacking.
Surely that's high priority?
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If you wouldn't mind waiting,
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I'm sure someone will be
with you in due course.
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On him, now, there!
You do it every time!
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Hello?
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Wh...
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I've got to go.
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I'm sorry.
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I wanna speak to the officer in
charge of Mrs Lawrence's case.
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Sorry, who are you? DCI Driscoll,
Specialist Crime Directorate.
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Oh, sorry, guv.
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Quick as you like,
son. Yeah, of course.
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Are you hurt? I can take you
to A&E. Oh, no, I'm fine.
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They didn't touch me. But I
left everything in the car,
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my wallet, I'll have to
cancel all my cards...
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We'll sort it all
out. Don't worry.
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Right, the duty inspector
will be here in a moment.
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Can I get you a cup of tea
in the meantime? I'm fine.
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Yes, please, Sergeant.
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Two teas, and, er, some biccies if
you can rustle 'em up. Sugar, Mrs I?
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I'll just take milk, thank you.
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As a peace offering
it was appreciated,
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but as a cup of tea...
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Shocking. He'll never
make inspector like that.
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Did he put the milk in the mug
with the teabag still in it? Ugh.
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I'll make us a proper cuppa.
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Here, I'll do that.
You've had a shock.
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I'm not a damsel in
distress, Mr Driscoll.
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Mr Driscoll is what my
teachers called me at school
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before they gave
me six of the best.
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Clive will do, I think.
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OK. Thank you, Clive,
but I'll manage.
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We've had to turn this
house into a fortress.
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There's a cost to speaking
out. Yeah, I can see that.
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I have to say, though, you ain't
half good at it, speaking out.
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I reckon there must be a lot of
powerful people who have nightmares
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about getting the hairdryer
treatment from Doreen Lawrence.
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I didn't plan for it.
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I thought the killers
would just be arrested.
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Never expected getting
justice to be my job.
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No, well, it
shouldn't have been.
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But here we are,
15 years later. Mm.
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Do you have children? Yeah,
five. Four boys and one girl.
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The eldest is in Afghanistan,
as it happens, yeah. Marine.
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Mm, you must worry about
him. Sick to my stomach.
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It's funny, when I was away
at Hendon for basic training,
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he'd, er, he'd come up and
he'd cling onto my leg,
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"Don't go, Daddy."
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And now the shoe's
on the other foot.
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I have to stop myself clinging
onto him every time he ships out.
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You know, erm, I, er...
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I can't even begin to
imagine the strength
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it must take to keep
fighting all these years.
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Yeah, sometimes, I really
do feel like giving up.
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But then I sleep, and I
dream of him, and, you know,
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he's so sad and angry
at not being alive.
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It's horrible. So I keep going.
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It's not about feeling
strong. I don't feel strong.
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I just don't have a choice.
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'From London's
newsroom at seven o'clock.
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'Helping you breathe more easily,
London gets a new low-emission zone.
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'How immigrants should be
taught how to queue in shops,
239
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'and why Cameron's losing
ground in the power stakes.
240
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'Good morning, I'm...'
241
00:16:58,761 --> 00:17:00,736
Birdy, I need you to
get one of your DCs
242
00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,456
to track down Clifford Norris.
243
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,856
Old man Norris? Why?
244
00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,496
A witness, Birdy, what else?
245
00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,736
These were found on Norris'
trousers. Two hairs.
246
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,856
The mitochondrial DNA is a
thousand-to-one match with Stephen.
247
00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,136
His hair? That's a
significant find, surely.
248
00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,736
Well, a thousand-to-one isn't
as strong as the fibres,
249
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,136
but it's corroborative.
250
00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,616
It adds detail to
the picture. Good.
251
00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,856
Let's hope there's more
where that came from.
252
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,200
It is good, but we need
to prove how it got there.
253
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,536
We've had a couple of
breakthroughs on the case.
254
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,376
But we're looking at a 15-year
game of pass-the-parcel
255
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,776
when it comes to exhibits.
256
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,336
We've had internal reviews, external
reviews, private prosecution.
257
00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:44,816
The defence are gonna be
looking for any opportunity
258
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,136
to cry contamination.
259
00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,776
I need to know every time
anyone touched, moved,
260
00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,816
opened, or even
glanced at an exhibit.
261
00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,776
So, hang on, you're talking
about forensic evidence.
262
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,776
New and compelling
forensic evidence.
263
00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,136
But for it to be worth
anything, we need to prove
264
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,296
there was absolutely no
opportunity for Stephen's clothing
265
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,600
to have contact with the
suspects' clothing after the fact.
266
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,936
I need someone I can rely on
to do that, and that's you.
267
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,576
All right.
268
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,200
But I was working at Woolwich
when Stephen was killed.
269
00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,336
I remember the atmosphere. Let's
be honest, Del, back in '93,
270
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,336
the Acourt gang would have fitted in
better with the Metropolitan Police
271
00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:24,896
than young Stephen.
272
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,016
I guess what I'm asking
is, is this real?
273
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,696
Does the brass actually want
us to solve this murder?
274
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,896
We're not doing this to please
the Metropolitan Police.
275
00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,656
The Lawrence family
have lost a son.
276
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,000
We're murder police,
we work for them.
277
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,056
Makes a change to have
the police call a meeting,
278
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,600
instead of us demanding one.
279
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,120
Jocelyn. Are we the
first here? I think so.
280
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,976
Jocelyn Cockburn? Yes.
281
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,136
And Neville Lawrence?
Yes, that's correct.
282
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,400
Thank you.
283
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,640
Neville.
284
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,400
Doreen. Imran.
285
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,976
The forensic review is on-going, and
we've made another significant find.
286
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,976
Human hair strands
have been identified
287
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,616
on two of the
suspects' clothing.
288
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,376
Stephen's hair?
289
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,016
We think so. It's a
thousand-to-one DNA match.
290
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,456
Is that enough? Are we talking
about bringing charges?
291
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,896
Not yet. We wanna build the
strongest case possible,
292
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,176
and to achieve that,
293
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,456
we need solid witnesses as
well as forensic evidence.
294
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,576
Previous investigations have
treated some crucial people badly.
295
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,336
Duwayne Brooks being an example.
296
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:01,696
They treated that boy
like a prime suspect.
297
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,896
Yes. We let him down.
298
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,696
But when it comes to
trial, we'll need him.
299
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,256
So you think there
will be a trial?
300
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,336
We're increasingly confident, but
as it's a double jeopardy case,
301
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:14,456
the CPS will want to consult
the family on re-prosecution.
302
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,536
As in, do we want a prosecution?
303
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,576
I know it sounds like a daft
question. There's no question.
304
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,456
There's never been any
question about our commitment.
305
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,216
The question is whether
the Metropolitan Police
306
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,936
are actually going to support
the prosecution this time around.
307
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,136
We've been here twice
before, you know.
308
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,456
We don't want to go through
that disappointment again.
309
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,736
I know. You have my word.
310
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,856
It's not your word
I'm worried about.
311
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,656
I mean, let's not
beat around the bush.
312
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,840
I'm still worried
about corruption.
313
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,896
Look, when it comes to
previous investigations,
314
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,576
I'd like answers to
a lot of questions.
315
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,240
Will I get those
answers? Probably not.
316
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,016
All I can say is
I'm the SIO now,
317
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,976
and I have no intention of
letting anyone interfere
318
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,816
with my investigation.
319
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,216
'DC Derek Reid calling.
320
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,096
'We're trying to establish
the chain of custody
321
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:10,016
'for exhibits in the
Stephen Lawrence case,
322
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,336
'and I have some questions
regarding his clothing.'
323
00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:14,736
On the night of the murder,
324
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,936
you brought Stephen's clothing back
to the station unsealed, to Eltham?
325
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,256
Er, no, not to Eltham.
326
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,136
I mean, it was drenched with
blood, so I took 'em to Southwark.
327
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,336
They had a drying room there. They
were sealed once they were dry.
328
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,376
So, during that process,
there's a lot of wet blood,
329
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,056
the bags aren't sealed.
330
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,816
Could you have transferred blood
to the outside of the evidence bag?
331
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,400
I mean, I wore gloves,
but it's possible.
332
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:43,776
You seized Dobson's
jacket on 7th of May.
333
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,016
Was it bagged at the scene? Yes.
334
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,137
Right.
335
00:21:48,161 --> 00:21:53,016
Erm... only, in your notebook,
336
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,616
you made an entry
about sealing exhibits
337
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,760
back at Plumstead
nick later that day.
338
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,920
Well, I mean, I would have
followed best practice.
339
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,256
We're just trying to fill any
gaps. If you can help us, great.
340
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,280
If you can't remember,
understandable.
341
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,200
We're on the same side here.
342
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,176
So when Stephen's clothes
arrived from Southwark,
343
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,176
did they go into a
secure evidence store?
344
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,536
Er, no, it wasn't an evidence store,
really. It was just an unused cell.
345
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,416
What, so there was some kind
of shelving, partitioning?
346
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,496
Unfortunately not, no.
347
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,976
As I remember it, Stephen's
clothing was stored on the bed.
348
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,216
The bed?
349
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,080
Well, yes. I mean, like
I said, it was a cell.
350
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,576
Shaun. 'Clive.'
351
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,856
'Birdy's found a witness.'
352
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,016
Follow-up from a canvas
a few years back.
353
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,536
I think you might want some
face time with this one.
354
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,536
I'll see you back there.
OK. Keep him comfortable.
355
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,080
I'll be there in
about half an hour.
356
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,496
I'd had a drink in Woolwich,
and then I was walking home
357
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,096
to where I was lodging, and I was
almost at the Well Hall roundabout,
358
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,720
and that's where I saw, you
know, the... the bother.
359
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,256
What did you see, exactly?
360
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,696
I saw David Norris, Gary
Dobson and the two Acourts
361
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,496
laying into the
Black kid, Lawrence.
362
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,136
How many drinks had you had?
363
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,456
I don't know, six, seven
pints, few chasers.
364
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,280
So you were drunk. I was
pissed. I weren't blind.
365
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,216
You weren't local, so how
did you know who they were?
366
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,016
A bloke I worked with pointed
them out to me a few weeks before,
367
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,016
told me to watch out for
'em, said they were aggy,
368
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,696
carried knives and
that, you know.
369
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,816
Can you give us his details, the
bloke that pointed them out to you?
370
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,296
I can do. I don't know
if he'll talk to you.
371
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,360
I ain't spoke to
him in ten years.
372
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,096
Why didn't you come
forward at the time?
373
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,096
Well, no-one asked
me, did they? So...
374
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,336
Well, we were on the radio,
on Crimewatch, in the papers.
375
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,416
We were begging for witnesses.
376
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,776
Well, if you want the
truth, I'm a racist,
377
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,920
so I won't lose
any sleep over him.
378
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,856
So why talk now?
379
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,016
They came and asked me,
I told them what I knew.
380
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,720
I ain't afraid of the Acourts.
381
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,256
He was drunk.
382
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,816
On the other hand, he's a fully
paid-up racist, which is helpful.
383
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,896
No reason to lie. If we can
find the other workmate,
384
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,896
get him to confirm he pointed
out the gang, firm up the ID,
385
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,280
we might finally have
a useable witness.
386
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,656
My anxiety is that some
of this forensic evidence,
387
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,880
though compelling,
is not exactly new.
388
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,776
What do you mean?
389
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,776
Advice we've had from legal counsel
is that it isn't good enough
390
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,656
to call evidence new
because we've just found it,
391
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,456
if we really should
have found it before.
392
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,936
Even though your tests have
found traces of Stephen
393
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,456
on the suspects' clothing,
it was more difficult,
394
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,520
but not impossible, to conduct
this kind of analysis in '93.
395
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,400
The Met can't afford another
Stephen Lawrence trial to collapse.
396
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,176
What are you saying?
What I've always said.
397
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,616
That I doubt this review
398
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,656
will produce anything
strong enough for a retrial.
399
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,240
You don't even have a decent
witness. We're working on that.
400
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,200
It isn't enough.
401
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,936
I am sorry, Clive, but we need
more than this for the CPS.
402
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,016
All right, then.
403
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,160
We'll just have to
find more, won't we?
404
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,256
I've got some more
bad news, I'm afraid.
405
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,496
Tracked down our racist's
workmate. Don't tell me.
406
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,216
Denies all knowledge.
407
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,496
Says he didn't
know the suspects.
408
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,256
Everyone in Eltham knew
the Acourt gang. Exactly.
409
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,000
But he's not playing
ball.
410
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,320
Hello. Hello. Ooh.
Does your nose do that?
411
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,080
Heh-heh.
412
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,976
As you can see, Clifford
Norris is no threat to you,
413
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,760
or anyone else, for that matter.
414
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,976
He's living in a bedsit,
pickling his liver on the dole.
415
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,400
He won't be buying many coppers
with his giro, I promise you that.
416
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,416
I'm sorry.
417
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,176
I thought it over, but I've got
her to think about, you know?
418
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,096
Louise, he's not a player
any more. He can't hurt you,
419
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,256
but you could make a difference
to the Lawrence family.
420
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,776
You could give them
justice. But why me?
421
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,240
Everyone knows who done it.
422
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,680
I wanna help, but
I can't. I'm sorry.
423
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,200
I was so sure she was
gonna do the right thing.
424
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,776
I must be losing my touch.
425
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,536
It's the Eltham Omerta, isn't
it? Here, got this in today.
426
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,056
Serious Organised Crime Agency.
427
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,216
Jamie Acourt's apparently
a regular guest
428
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,336
in a drug wiretap
they're running.
429
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,576
They're classing him
as a high flight risk.
430
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,696
Bags packed, ready to
go, they reckon. Christ.
431
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,896
Can we request surveillance?
432
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,800
They won't even pay for
a bolt for the door.
433
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,976
If they're as connected
as SOCA reckons,
434
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,920
it isn't just the flight risk.
They could intimidate witnesses.
435
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,456
We limit case conferences.
436
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,576
Think about who actually
needs to be there.
437
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,120
We can't afford another leak.
438
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,016
'I look
around here today
439
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,496
'and see the Prime Minister,
the Home Secretary,
440
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,176
'the Archbishop of Canterbury.
441
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,616
'It's an honour to see you
all here, of course it is,
442
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,376
'but I wish you weren't here.'
443
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,216
I wish we didn't need
to be here. But we do.
444
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,896
We have to keep
Stephen's memory alive
445
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,640
because we still
don't have justice.
446
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,016
For me, for my family,
447
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,480
the pain of our loss remains
undiminished after 15 years.
448
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,976
The campaign for justice
for Stephen continues,
449
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,336
as must the wider fight to
combat racism, discrimination,
450
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,536
and prejudice.
451
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,320
Stephen was my benchmark.
452
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,256
I was always trying to reach his
level and, annoying as it was,
453
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,576
I was never quite as good.
454
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,176
He's made me aspire to be
the best person I can be,
455
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,656
and I can't thank
him enough for that.
456
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,416
I loved my big brother.
457
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,536
He was killed by hate, but I believe
that love is stronger than hate,
458
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,040
that, in the end, love
will conquer hate.
459
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,280
OK. Yeah, I'll get
him to call you.
460
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,656
Excuse me, I'll just get rid
of this, if you don't mind.
461
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,880
Can't speak right now. You
need to call forensics, ASAP.
462
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,736
It's Clive Driscoll. We've
found Stephen's blood.
463
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,120
What?
464
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,576
You found it where?
465
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,200
We've found Stephen's blood
on Gary Dobson's jacket.
466
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Dear God.
467
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,856
Hello, Clive. Oh, Mrs I.
468
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,656
You look very smart.
Well, I do try.
469
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,736
I, er, I have to
say, it's an honour.
470
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,136
That was a beautiful service.
471
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,160
And the case? How's
everything going?
472
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Well, I mean, it's
going well. Good.
473
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,176
There. You see that?
474
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,976
That discolouration there is
the blood of Stephen Lawrence.
475
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,896
It's on the back of
the collar, which fits.
476
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,856
When you stab someone, as
you pull the knife back,
477
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,136
there's a little judder as you
reach the end of the trajectory,
478
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,616
so any droplets of wet blood often
hit the back of the clothing.
479
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,376
And the key thing here is
that that isn't a flake.
480
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,096
It's saturated, stained
into the fabric,
481
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,736
which means the blood was
still wet when it landed there
482
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,416
during the attack. So this
is A1, Rolls-Royce evidence?
483
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,800
Indeed. With a cherry on top.
484
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,016
Is it too good? How can
evidence be too good?
485
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,816
As in, is it so good it should
have been found a long time ago?
486
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,656
Amplified fragment length
polymorphism forms of analysis
487
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,896
weren't available during
earlier investigations.
488
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,800
We couldn't have confidently
confirmed this was Stephen's blood.
489
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,096
Right, well, the only thing
I understood there was.
490
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,376
"We couldn't have done this
before", and that's all I need.
491
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,360
This is new and
compelling evidence.
492
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,696
This is getting
serious now, isn't it?
493
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,856
If we rely on forensics,
we'd better be confident.
494
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,896
about
the chain of custody.
495
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,936
Hello? 'DCI
Driscoll?' Who's this?
496
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,176
'We're running a piece
on the developments
497
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,256
'of the Stephen Lawrence case.
Wondered if you wanted to comment.
498
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,760
'On or off, your call.'
499
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,256
I need to know your
source. Course you do.
500
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,336
So, is it gonna be enough,
then, this new DNA evidence?
501
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,880
You cannot run this story.
We're dealing with flight risks.
502
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,400
You're serious?
503
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,096
Look, we got off on
the wrong foot here.
504
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,896
You give me an angle
that works for you.
505
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,656
All right, I've tried to appeal
to your sense of civic duty.
506
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,936
How about this?
507
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,016
If you run this story, I'll hold
a lovely big press conference,
508
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,176
with refreshments and everything,
and I will name you personally
509
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
as having sabotaged the Stephen
Lawrence murder investigation.
510
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Afternoon.
511
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,176
Sorry to keep you
waiting. Mark Ellison QC.
512
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,096
Is everyone here? Do we
have our forensic people?
513
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,320
Er, yeah, that'll
be Ed and Angela.
514
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,256
A lot seems to rest on the
fact that this blood stain
515
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,896
was soaked into the fabric.
516
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,176
Well, yes.
517
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,336
The nature of the staining would
suggest the blood was uncoagulated,
518
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,537
fresh, when it got there.
519
00:33:55,561 --> 00:33:58,896
These tests that you
do to the clothing,
520
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,280
do any of them involve moisture?
521
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,416
Well, we did use the Phadebas
Amylase test to detect saliva.
522
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,376
That does involve a
dampened paper press test.
523
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,736
So if I was the defence,
524
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,016
I would be saying the blood stain
was the result of contamination,
525
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,936
and only soaked into the weave of
the fabric when it was dampened.
526
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,976
I think that's a highly
improbable hypothesis.
527
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,736
If you say that on
the stand, we've lost.
528
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,136
An improbable hypothesis
is reasonable doubt.
529
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,496
If I may, with forensic
evidence such as this,
530
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,456
we're dealing with
degrees of probability.
531
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,096
No, not good enough.
I need you to go away
532
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,696
and prove the absolute
impossibility of this blood stain
533
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:33,656
coming from any
sequence of events,
534
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,320
other than the jacket
being at the fatal attack.
535
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,096
Right.
536
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Well, we'll, er, go
back and review. Good.
537
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,496
Del? I thought that was you.
Ha-ha! You all right, Jenny?
538
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,336
It's been years. Yeah.
539
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,256
You still with Trident? Er,
no. No, I'm... I'm actually on
540
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,496
the Stephen Lawrence
case, as it happens.
541
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,616
You? No way. Part of Doreen
Lawrence's private police force.
542
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,496
What's that supposed to mean?
543
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,176
Come on, you must be pulling
your hair out on that job.
544
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,616
I mean, it's not like anyone
wants to face the actual truth
545
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,456
about Saint Stephen.
546
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,360
Which is what?
547
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,376
Well, it was a gang
thing, wasn't it?
548
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,856
Stabbed with his own knife after
he tried to rip off a dealer.
549
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,456
Everyone knows.
550
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,296
I tell you what, then, Jenny.
551
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,040
You send everyone across to us.
We'll happily take their statements.
552
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,416
DC Derek Reid calling again.
553
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,536
I had a question
about the tape seals.
554
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,760
You said they were
checked every time, right?
555
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,656
So how was that recorded?
556
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,576
In 1998, you resealed a
couple of our exhibits. Yeah.
557
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,416
Can you explain the
deterioration on the packaging?
558
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,576
Just to clarify, you're saying
that when the suspects' clothing
559
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,976
arrived in Eltham,
560
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,536
Stephen's clothing had already
been sent off for analysis?
561
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,416
What date was that?
562
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,496
We've tracked every
single exhibit since 1993.
563
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,576
We know where every
item was at one time.
564
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,736
For example, LH/5,
Dobson's jacket,
565
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,136
that was also handed over to
Kent Police on 23rd of June 1997.
566
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,336
It remained sealed and in a cupboard
with the other clothing exhibits.
567
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,936
Tricky, Tricky, this is all very
comprehensive, very impressive,
568
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,496
but for now, what's
the headline?
569
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,696
What are we looking at
in terms of opportunities
570
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,136
for cross-contamination?
The headline is this.
571
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,296
The thing the first investigation
took the biggest kicking for,
572
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,976
that two-week delay between
the murder and the arrests?
573
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,136
Now it's our saving
grace. You've lost me.
574
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,776
None of the suspects' clothing was
seized and brought to the station
575
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,736
until 7th of May.
576
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,776
Stephen's exhibits were sent
for forensic examination
577
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,336
a week before that.
578
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,016
Stephen's and the suspects' exhibits
were never at the same station
579
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,536
at the same time.
580
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,536
So opportunities for
cross-contamination
581
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,800
back in '93 were...
Vanishingly small.
582
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,896
Clive, Duwayne is in the paper
with the man running for mayor.
583
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,136
Boris?
584
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,056
'No, no, no, the other
one. The Liberal.'
585
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,536
Ex-police officer. Duwayne
campaigning for him.
586
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,936
Yeah, Brian Paddick. I remember
him from my Brixton days.
587
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Well, there you go, then.
588
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,280
Maybe he can put in
a good word for you.
589
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,536
I really, really appreciate
you making time, Mr Brooks.
590
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,056
Brian said you were
one of the good guys.
591
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,680
That's the only
reason why I'm here.
592
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,480
Thing is, we're making headway
with Stephen's case. Really?
593
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,520
15 years of headway, and what
do we have to show for it?
594
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,936
I'm sorry. We let you down. No,
sorry, you didn't let me down.
595
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,976
You tried to stitch me up. OK?
596
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,976
You arrested me for protesting
the murder of my friend
597
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,840
whilst his killers walked free.
598
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,976
I am sorry, Duwayne.
599
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,616
You were treated appallingly.
600
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:02,016
The thing is, I need your
evidence to lock up the bastards
601
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,840
that killed your friend. I
already gave my evidence.
602
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,736
I was a scared kid.
603
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,040
I knew that the Acourts
could come after me,
604
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,576
but I still identified Neil
Acourt and Luke Knight.
605
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,416
You were brave. You
stood up for your friend.
606
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,160
But it didn't matter, though, did
it? Because no-one believed me.
607
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,816
I did everything the
police asked of me,
608
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,800
and they still acted like
I was hiding something.
609
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,536
It was unfathomable to
them that a Black man
610
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,160
could just be an
innocent victim.
611
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,536
Look, I won't ask you to trust
the police. Why should you?
612
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,176
But I am gonna charge
these men. And when I do,
613
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,056
it will rest on forensics,
cold, hard science.
614
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,696
There'll be a lot
less wriggle room
615
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,400
for anyone who doesn't want
to see justice for Stephen.
616
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,376
So why do you need me?
617
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Because forensics
alone won't be enough.
618
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,360
You were there. You can
bring it to life for them.
619
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,736
So, we made 12 attempts to
reconstitute blood fragments
620
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,376
using Phadebas substrate.
621
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,376
Sorry, can you imagine that
you're trying to explain this
622
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,496
to a five-year-old? Sorry.
623
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,856
We took tiny samples of
Stephen's dried blood
624
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,736
and applied different liquids,
but the samples became jelly-like.
625
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,576
The blood wouldn't
have been able
626
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,416
to soak into the weave of the
fabric, even if it was rehydrated.
627
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,736
So? My conclusion is
Stephen's blood was fresh
628
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,480
when it soaked into the jacket.
629
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,896
Which means that Dobson's
jacket must have been present
630
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,616
at the murder scene. Yes.
Well, that's music to my ears.
631
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,080
Let's hope that this is enough to
get us over the line with the CPS.
632
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,896
Ah, Clive.
633
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,856
Detective Superintendent Jill Bailey
will be joining us for the meeting.
634
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,776
All right?
635
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,096
Given the level of scrutiny the
Met can expect going forward,
636
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,176
I thought your team would
benefit from Jill's support
637
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,720
as reviewing superintendent.
638
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,456
I've never had a reviewing
superintendent before.
639
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,776
Never heard of one, actually.
640
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,960
Yes, well, this
is a unique case.
641
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,600
What will you be
reviewing, ma'am? Me?
642
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,696
I hope I can provide some
guidance when it comes to
643
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:02,240
the more politically
delicate aspects of the case.
644
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,376
Over the past two years,
645
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,136
we have followed a series of
significant evidential leads
646
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,576
in the investigation
into Stephen's murder.
647
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,616
The Director of Public Prosecutions
has now reviewed this evidence
648
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,696
and provided us with an update.
649
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:42,096
Mr and Mrs Lawrence, Stuart,
I won't beat about the bush.
650
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,056
The fact is, we have
found Stephen's blood
651
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,176
on the jacket of
one of the suspects.
652
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,776
We've also found hair,
653
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,816
clothing fibres belonging to Stephen
on the clothing of several suspects.
654
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,696
As a result of this, the DPP
has agreed that we can charge
655
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,456
Gary Dobson and David
Norris for Stephen's murder.
656
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Hope to execute the
arrests within the week.
657
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,017
I'm sorry.
658
00:42:16,041 --> 00:42:19,760
I know this has been a
long road for your family.
659
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,120
I know this is good news, but...
660
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,336
Yes
661
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,800
we have waited a
long time for this.
662
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,760
But that's two. There were five.
663
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,816
The forensic evidence
against Dobson and Norris
664
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,736
is stronger than what we have
against the other suspects.
665
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,336
The DPP doesn't want to
endanger the stronger cases
666
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,376
in a joint prosecution. So
they get away with it again.
667
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,736
No, no. We take down
Dobson and Norris first,
668
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,816
but this is an
on-going investigation.
669
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,880
I haven't forgotten
about the others.
670
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,576
If there's a disparity
in the evidence,
671
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,376
then separate
prosecutions is sensible.
672
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,880
OK. If that's the best way
forward, then I'm OK with that.
673
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,176
You know, when we first met,
674
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,840
you promised me you'd do
your best for Stephen.
675
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,760
Thank you for
keeping that promise.
676
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,656
Well, thank you, both.
677
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,777
Er...
678
00:43:32,801 --> 00:43:35,160
I don't take the trust
you've placed in us lightly.
679
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,696
You understand that
following these arrests,
680
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,976
there's likely to be renewed
attention on your family.
681
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
We can deal with that.
682
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,840
We're ready.
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