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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:23,624 --> 00:00:26,594 I think to just have little bites out of the fashion world 4 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:29,663 is a sort of a starvation diet myself. 5 00:00:29,763 --> 00:00:33,401 I would rather keep right out and eat ice cream cake all day, 6 00:00:33,501 --> 00:00:35,669 look terrible and feel fine, 7 00:00:35,769 --> 00:00:37,738 or I would like to be bang in it 8 00:00:37,838 --> 00:00:39,740 as I have been for so many years. 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,375 * 10 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:03,797 When we think about an iconic person in a magazine, an editor, 11 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:05,466 we always say Diana Vreeland. 12 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:07,268 * 13 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,144 Diana was just so far ahead in terms of seeing fashion 14 00:01:16,244 --> 00:01:17,311 as an art form, 15 00:01:17,411 --> 00:01:19,280 seeing photography as an art form. 16 00:01:25,153 --> 00:01:27,421 When people call her the Empress Vreeland, 17 00:01:27,521 --> 00:01:29,123 it's not by hazard 18 00:01:29,223 --> 00:01:31,292 because she did have this incredible kind of 19 00:01:31,392 --> 00:01:33,093 auteur and grandeur to her. 20 00:01:35,563 --> 00:01:38,366 She was upside-down original. 21 00:01:38,466 --> 00:01:41,335 * 22 00:01:43,537 --> 00:01:45,806 She was never a very rich woman. 23 00:01:45,906 --> 00:01:47,808 She was never a very beautiful woman, 24 00:01:47,908 --> 00:01:50,578 but she created beauty and she created wealth. 25 00:01:58,252 --> 00:01:59,887 Come on, for heaven's sakes ! 26 00:01:59,987 --> 00:02:02,290 Let's get that movie going ! 27 00:02:02,390 --> 00:02:03,657 * 28 00:02:29,717 --> 00:02:31,552 ( Diana ) I loathe nostalgia. 29 00:02:31,652 --> 00:02:33,587 I don't believe in anything before penicillin. 30 00:02:34,855 --> 00:02:37,258 ( George ) I can imagine. 31 00:02:37,358 --> 00:02:40,261 How would you like to tell the story of your life then ? 32 00:02:40,361 --> 00:02:42,530 It's got to have some bite. 33 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:44,765 It's all your voice, Diana, it's all you. 34 00:02:44,865 --> 00:02:45,933 I'm not doing anything. 35 00:02:46,033 --> 00:02:48,436 All I'm doing is editing. 36 00:02:48,536 --> 00:02:50,404 Don't give me that. 37 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:52,540 I was an editor for 40 years. 38 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,475 I know who's boss. 39 00:02:54,575 --> 00:02:58,646 I don't give a damn what's in it, as long as it sells. 40 00:02:58,746 --> 00:03:01,882 Listen, I'm as practical as Bloomingdale's. 41 00:03:01,982 --> 00:03:03,584 All right then, Diana. 42 00:03:03,684 --> 00:03:05,686 Of course, we are going to talk about your years at 43 00:03:05,786 --> 00:03:08,422 "Harper's Bazaar" and at "Vogue," 44 00:03:08,522 --> 00:03:11,559 but first I think we should start with your childhood. 45 00:03:11,659 --> 00:03:14,928 How does one become Diana Vreeland ? 46 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:17,698 I certainly didn't learn anything in school. 47 00:03:17,798 --> 00:03:20,434 My education was the world. 48 00:03:20,534 --> 00:03:22,303 Where do I begin ? 49 00:03:26,307 --> 00:03:27,975 The first thing to do, my love, 50 00:03:28,075 --> 00:03:31,645 is arrange to be born in Paris. 51 00:03:31,745 --> 00:03:35,849 After that, everything follows quite naturally. 52 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:38,552 * 53 00:03:41,822 --> 00:03:45,759 I was brought up in a world of great beauties, 54 00:03:45,859 --> 00:03:49,563 a world where lookers had something to give the world. 55 00:03:49,663 --> 00:03:52,566 Paris was the center of everything ! 56 00:03:52,666 --> 00:03:55,336 I saw the whole beginning of our century there. 57 00:03:55,436 --> 00:03:57,471 It was the Belle Époque. 58 00:03:57,571 --> 00:03:58,906 It was a great moment. 59 00:03:59,006 --> 00:04:00,608 Great, great ! 60 00:04:00,708 --> 00:04:03,377 Of course, I was always mad about the Ballet Russe, 61 00:04:03,477 --> 00:04:06,714 mad about it. 62 00:04:06,814 --> 00:04:08,982 Diaghilev and his dancers. 63 00:04:09,082 --> 00:04:11,319 Was he a friend of your parents ? 64 00:04:11,419 --> 00:04:12,353 Diaghilev ? 65 00:04:12,453 --> 00:04:13,787 Of course. 66 00:04:13,887 --> 00:04:18,492 I remember him and Nijinsky coming over all the time. 67 00:04:18,592 --> 00:04:20,328 What an enviable and wonderful childhood. 68 00:04:20,428 --> 00:04:22,930 Did you realize at the time that you were lucky ? 69 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:24,432 Oh, yes. 70 00:04:24,532 --> 00:04:25,599 Oh, yes. 71 00:04:25,699 --> 00:04:28,268 We adored them, they were so exciting. 72 00:04:28,369 --> 00:04:30,871 Everyone who came in the house was exciting. 73 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:34,808 ( Diana ) A great deal of my upbringing was in all those evenings 74 00:04:34,908 --> 00:04:37,878 when I saw a lot of fun. 75 00:04:37,978 --> 00:04:39,313 ( Diana ) I've always sort of been in 76 00:04:39,413 --> 00:04:42,383 a theatrical ambience, so to speak. 77 00:04:42,483 --> 00:04:44,785 I mean, I'm using Paris as sort of a theatre 78 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:48,689 for certain things for a woman, you know ? 79 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:51,659 My parents thought of the most wonderful things 80 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:54,495 for my sister and me to see. 81 00:04:54,595 --> 00:04:58,932 They sent us to London once and we sat in the bleachers 82 00:04:59,032 --> 00:05:04,638 and watched the coronation of King George V ! 83 00:05:04,738 --> 00:05:06,407 It was marvelous. 84 00:05:06,507 --> 00:05:10,644 The elephants, the horses, the regalia, the trappings. 85 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:12,946 Oh, it was gorgeous. 86 00:05:13,046 --> 00:05:16,350 Horses were perfectly natural in those days. 87 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:17,651 Is there someone who personifies 88 00:05:17,751 --> 00:05:20,020 your idea of great style ? 89 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:26,059 When you see a race horse being led out, 90 00:05:26,159 --> 00:05:29,630 I think they've got something, hmm, that no one else has. 91 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:31,465 Race horse. 92 00:05:31,565 --> 00:05:33,534 Why do you use the race horse as a metaphor for style ? 93 00:05:33,634 --> 00:05:36,737 Because the race horse has a little extra. 94 00:05:36,837 --> 00:05:39,106 A little extra pizzazz. 95 00:05:39,206 --> 00:05:41,942 As children during our summers in the Rocky Mountains, 96 00:05:42,042 --> 00:05:45,579 we were brought up on horses. 97 00:05:45,679 --> 00:05:48,582 I did, of course, ride a lot with Buffalo Bill. 98 00:05:48,682 --> 00:05:50,584 And I loved him, 99 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:52,420 he was very sweet, sweet to my sister and myself. 100 00:05:54,054 --> 00:05:56,457 He was essentially a cowboy, you see. 101 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:59,860 That was his sort of dazed experience in life, 102 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,730 this languid, plunging, wonderful, 103 00:06:02,830 --> 00:06:04,998 marvelous-looking man, you know. 104 00:06:05,098 --> 00:06:07,134 We thought he was beautiful. 105 00:06:07,234 --> 00:06:09,637 And what did you think you wanted to be ? 106 00:06:09,737 --> 00:06:12,606 Or were you just out to experience ? 107 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:14,608 I never wanted to be in the Rocky Mountains again, 108 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,143 that was sure. 109 00:06:16,243 --> 00:06:19,112 I knew that it was about the loneliest place in town. 110 00:06:19,212 --> 00:06:21,649 I wanted to get where the action was. 111 00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:26,654 When did you first have a sense of how you wanted to look ? 112 00:06:29,623 --> 00:06:33,093 Um... first time today or first time, when ? 113 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:35,596 In your life. 114 00:06:35,696 --> 00:06:38,398 Were you always pleased by the way you look ? 115 00:06:38,499 --> 00:06:39,833 Good God, no. 116 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:41,635 I should say not. 117 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:44,538 I mean, you can't go around like a smug mademoiselle 118 00:06:44,638 --> 00:06:46,640 from about seven years up. 119 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:49,643 Uh-uh. 120 00:06:49,743 --> 00:06:53,481 ( George ) Diana, could I ask you some rather personal questions ? 121 00:06:53,581 --> 00:06:54,948 ( Diana ) Mm-hmm. 122 00:06:55,048 --> 00:06:57,885 Your mother, tell me about her. 123 00:06:57,985 --> 00:07:00,921 I admired the fact that she was very good-looking. 124 00:07:01,021 --> 00:07:03,724 Yes, but how did you get along ? 125 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:06,193 We were not sympathetic. 126 00:07:06,293 --> 00:07:08,095 Very few daughters and mothers are. 127 00:07:08,195 --> 00:07:09,797 Yes. 128 00:07:09,897 --> 00:07:12,766 She used to say, "It's too bad that you have such 129 00:07:12,866 --> 00:07:15,202 a beautiful sister and that you're so extremely ugly." 130 00:07:18,005 --> 00:07:23,877 So much of her character was formed when, as a little girl, 131 00:07:23,977 --> 00:07:28,982 her mother treated her as her ugly duckling. 132 00:07:29,082 --> 00:07:32,219 I was always her ugly little monster. 133 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:33,854 Well, how-- how did that make you feel ? 134 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:38,692 Now, George, I don't think we want to go there. 135 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:41,895 Let's just say Mom was a wild woman. 136 00:07:41,995 --> 00:07:44,231 You know, she used to hunt rhinos. 137 00:07:44,331 --> 00:07:46,900 And, your father, was he an adventurer as well ? 138 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,135 Oh, no. 139 00:07:48,235 --> 00:07:49,637 Daddy was an Englishman. 140 00:07:49,737 --> 00:07:53,240 He raised us to be British in a healthy way. 141 00:07:53,340 --> 00:07:55,776 That's the kind of family we were. 142 00:07:55,876 --> 00:07:58,045 Very little visible emotion. 143 00:08:00,548 --> 00:08:02,583 ( Diana ) We were also gypsies. 144 00:08:02,683 --> 00:08:05,919 We finally settled in New York when I was about ten. 145 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:07,721 I was ready to hit the streets, 146 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:10,991 but my parents insisted I go to school. 147 00:08:11,091 --> 00:08:13,894 So, they enrolled me at Brearley. 148 00:08:13,994 --> 00:08:17,030 I lasted three weeks at the Brearley School. 149 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:19,199 No, three months, months. 150 00:08:19,299 --> 00:08:21,001 And really they kept me there 151 00:08:21,101 --> 00:08:23,170 out of sort of kindness to my parents, 152 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:24,872 who obviously didn't know what to do with me 153 00:08:24,972 --> 00:08:26,574 because I didn't know any English. 154 00:08:26,674 --> 00:08:28,909 I never had time to learn English. 155 00:08:29,009 --> 00:08:30,711 I wasn't allowed to speak French, 156 00:08:30,811 --> 00:08:32,746 and I had no one to talk to. 157 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:34,582 And I started to stutter and the whole thing 158 00:08:34,682 --> 00:08:36,950 became really a very serious-- 159 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:40,120 And stuttering is quite a serious thing. 160 00:08:40,220 --> 00:08:43,857 And then one day I went to a Russian school 161 00:08:43,957 --> 00:08:45,559 and then I was happy. 162 00:08:45,659 --> 00:08:49,196 It was the only school I was ever happy in 163 00:08:49,296 --> 00:08:50,764 because all I did was dance. 164 00:08:50,864 --> 00:08:52,566 And it was a great education. 165 00:08:52,666 --> 00:08:55,669 * 166 00:08:55,769 --> 00:09:00,841 I realized if I was going to make it, I must stand out. 167 00:09:00,941 --> 00:09:04,111 My last name was Dalziel. 168 00:09:04,211 --> 00:09:09,216 D-A-L-Z-I-E-L. 169 00:09:09,316 --> 00:09:11,551 Gaelic for 'I dare.' 170 00:09:13,086 --> 00:09:14,622 There's only one very good life 171 00:09:14,722 --> 00:09:16,156 and that's the life that you know you want 172 00:09:16,256 --> 00:09:18,792 and you make it yourself. 173 00:09:18,892 --> 00:09:20,594 I think when you're young, 174 00:09:20,694 --> 00:09:22,863 you should be a lot with yourself and your sufferings. 175 00:09:25,332 --> 00:09:28,802 Then one day you get out where the sun shines 176 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:31,939 and the rain rains and the snow snows, 177 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:34,207 and it all comes together. 178 00:09:34,307 --> 00:09:36,143 It came together for me in New York 179 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:39,212 during the Roaring '20s. 180 00:09:39,312 --> 00:09:41,982 I was going to make myself 181 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:44,117 the most popular girl in the world. 182 00:09:44,217 --> 00:09:46,319 The Roaring '20s, that was great. 183 00:09:46,419 --> 00:09:49,022 The dancing, the music, the artists. 184 00:09:49,122 --> 00:09:51,224 The world was alive with everything new. 185 00:09:51,324 --> 00:09:54,594 It was the start of the 20th century, actually. 186 00:09:54,695 --> 00:09:56,063 * 187 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:01,034 What were you like in your teens ? 188 00:10:01,134 --> 00:10:03,937 When the rest of us were going around gawky and... 189 00:10:04,037 --> 00:10:05,138 I was dancing. 190 00:10:05,238 --> 00:10:07,875 That's all I cared about. 191 00:10:07,975 --> 00:10:11,912 By the time I was 17, I knew what a snob was. 192 00:10:13,881 --> 00:10:17,150 I also knew that young snobs didn't quite get my number. 193 00:10:19,853 --> 00:10:23,123 I was much better with Mexican and Argentine gigolos, 194 00:10:23,223 --> 00:10:27,828 the odd ducks around town who liked to dance as much as I did. 195 00:10:30,297 --> 00:10:33,166 Naturally, I was considered a bit fast. 196 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:35,235 The story got out. 197 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:37,404 But I didn't care what anyone else said. 198 00:10:37,504 --> 00:10:41,374 I was never out of Harlem in those days. 199 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:43,143 The music was so great, 200 00:10:43,243 --> 00:10:46,246 and Josephine Baker was simply the only girl you saw 201 00:10:46,346 --> 00:10:47,881 in the chorus line. 202 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:51,719 All you could feel was something good coming from her. 203 00:10:51,819 --> 00:10:55,222 She had that-- that thing-- 204 00:10:55,322 --> 00:10:58,425 that pizzazz. 205 00:10:58,525 --> 00:11:00,961 My mother didn't approve of my behavior, 206 00:11:01,061 --> 00:11:04,031 but she had her own flirtations, so to speak. 207 00:11:04,131 --> 00:11:06,166 She'd even flirt with my boyfriends, 208 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:09,369 and occasionally, one would fall flat for her. 209 00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:15,242 I never felt comfortable about my looks... 210 00:11:17,778 --> 00:11:20,680 ... until I met Reed Vreeland. 211 00:11:20,781 --> 00:11:23,984 He was the most beautiful man I'd ever seen, 212 00:11:24,084 --> 00:11:26,219 very quiet, very elegant. 213 00:11:26,319 --> 00:11:28,255 I loved all that. 214 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:32,793 I met him on the 4th of July at a party in 1924. 215 00:11:32,893 --> 00:11:34,728 I believe in love at first sight 216 00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:36,730 because that's what it was. 217 00:11:39,199 --> 00:11:42,002 ( woman ) And did you anticipate getting married ? 218 00:11:42,102 --> 00:11:43,336 Or, again, was this... 219 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:45,372 Oh, yes, because I was romantic. 220 00:11:45,472 --> 00:11:47,374 Anything that was romantic was great. 221 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:50,778 Nothing could have spoiled my happiness. 222 00:11:50,878 --> 00:11:53,713 Reed made me feel beautiful no matter 223 00:11:53,814 --> 00:11:56,483 what my mother made me think. 224 00:11:56,583 --> 00:12:01,288 Reed and I moved to London just before the Crash in 1929. 225 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:05,225 Now, London ran the world, don't forget ! 226 00:12:05,325 --> 00:12:08,295 I learned everything in England. 227 00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:10,397 I learned English ! 228 00:12:10,497 --> 00:12:15,735 But, of course, the best thing about London is Paris. 229 00:12:15,836 --> 00:12:17,037 It was the '30s. 230 00:12:17,137 --> 00:12:19,306 Strangers were dancing with strangers, 231 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:21,141 girls were dancing with girls. 232 00:12:21,241 --> 00:12:22,509 It was always raining. 233 00:12:22,609 --> 00:12:26,313 It was hideous-- and marvelous. 234 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,115 The clothes ! 235 00:12:28,215 --> 00:12:31,051 That's where I really learned about fashion. 236 00:12:31,151 --> 00:12:35,122 No one had a better sense of luxury than Coco Chanel. 237 00:12:35,222 --> 00:12:38,158 She really had the spirit of the 20th century. 238 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:41,962 She really understood what women's lives were going to be, 239 00:12:42,062 --> 00:12:43,230 that they were going to take subways, 240 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:45,232 they were going to walk in the rain. 241 00:12:45,332 --> 00:12:48,201 ( man ) Uh-hmm. She was very rigorous and vigorous. 242 00:12:48,301 --> 00:12:50,370 And, she was... 243 00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:53,974 She would always fit me in her private atelier; 244 00:12:54,074 --> 00:12:56,343 we were very close, you know. 245 00:12:56,443 --> 00:12:59,847 George, you don't know what a part of life 246 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:01,949 fittings were for me. 247 00:13:02,049 --> 00:13:04,551 I used to have three fittings on a nightgown 248 00:13:04,651 --> 00:13:07,787 and I'm not that deformed. 249 00:13:07,888 --> 00:13:09,957 At the same time, 250 00:13:10,057 --> 00:13:12,392 I was opening up my own lingerie business in London. 251 00:13:12,492 --> 00:13:14,828 We had some women who sewed in the shop, 252 00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:16,830 but the most beautiful work 253 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:19,566 was done in a Spanish convent by nuns. 254 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:25,105 One day, Wallis Simpson came into the shop 255 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:29,309 and ordered three nightgowns for a very special weekend. 256 00:13:29,409 --> 00:13:32,479 She was off for a rendezvous with Edward, 257 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:35,048 the new King of England. 258 00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,851 And the rest, well, you know, is history. 259 00:13:37,951 --> 00:13:42,489 My little lingerie shop had brought down the throne. 260 00:13:42,589 --> 00:13:46,026 ( Edward ) You all know the reasons 261 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:51,231 which have impelled me to renounce the throne. 262 00:13:51,331 --> 00:13:53,466 ( George ) Amazing story, Diana. 263 00:13:53,566 --> 00:13:56,203 Were you still living in London at the time ? 264 00:13:56,303 --> 00:13:57,337 ( Diana ) Good God, no. 265 00:13:57,437 --> 00:13:59,206 The empire was finished and the war 266 00:13:59,306 --> 00:14:01,108 was about to break out. 267 00:14:01,208 --> 00:14:04,044 We were spending most of our time with our family upstate 268 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:05,245 in Brewster, New York. 269 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:11,584 I was so depressed, leaving Chanel, leaving Europe, 270 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:16,957 leaving all the world of my world. 271 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:19,492 But you had your family. 272 00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:23,496 I grew up wishing I'd had any mother but this mother. 273 00:14:23,596 --> 00:14:26,399 I didn't understand why I couldn't have 274 00:14:26,499 --> 00:14:27,968 just an old nice mom 275 00:14:28,068 --> 00:14:31,004 like all my friends had. The other guys. 276 00:14:31,104 --> 00:14:32,405 Yeah, what-- 277 00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:33,907 I didn't want the other boys 278 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:36,576 to associate me with this woman. 279 00:14:36,676 --> 00:14:41,114 ( Frecky ) She always made it clear that she wanted us to be originals. 280 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:43,016 You've got to be either first in your class 281 00:14:43,116 --> 00:14:44,551 or the bottom of the class. 282 00:14:44,651 --> 00:14:46,486 Don't be in the middle. 283 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:49,957 That's a wretched piece of advice to give a school kid. 284 00:14:50,057 --> 00:14:53,060 ( Diana ) George, why all this family talk ? 285 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,262 Shouldn't we get to the more exciting stuff ? 286 00:14:55,362 --> 00:14:58,932 ( George ) I find your family life very interesting. 287 00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:02,002 Well, did I tell you about the time when 288 00:15:02,102 --> 00:15:05,538 me and my son Frecky were sitting in Brewster, 289 00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:08,108 and you'll never guess who flew over our head. 290 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:09,676 Lindbergh ! 291 00:15:09,776 --> 00:15:11,911 ( man on radio ) Charles Augustus Lindbergh 292 00:15:12,012 --> 00:15:14,514 will attempt what no man has ever dared. 293 00:15:14,614 --> 00:15:17,350 He will attempt to fly the Atlantic non-stop. 294 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:22,555 New York to Paris alone, all alone. 295 00:15:24,524 --> 00:15:28,395 He flew right over us, en route to Paris ! 296 00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:31,564 I always thought this was a very lucky sort of sign. 297 00:15:31,664 --> 00:15:33,200 Had you already started working at 298 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:34,968 "Harper's Bazaar" at this time ? 299 00:15:35,068 --> 00:15:36,303 We had just moved into the city, 300 00:15:36,403 --> 00:15:37,637 and I was going through money 301 00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:40,040 like someone goes through whiskey 302 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:41,441 if you're an alcoholic. 303 00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:42,475 Yes. 304 00:15:42,575 --> 00:15:45,045 How important is money ? 305 00:15:45,145 --> 00:15:47,447 Vital ! 306 00:15:47,547 --> 00:15:50,984 Absolutely vital. 307 00:15:51,084 --> 00:15:54,587 Anyone who thinks otherwise must be insane. 308 00:15:54,687 --> 00:15:56,456 Of course it's very modern to say it, 309 00:15:56,556 --> 00:15:59,592 I mean, well-bred people didn't talk like this 310 00:15:59,692 --> 00:16:04,998 about money at one time, but today, by God, they do ! 311 00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:07,634 ( Diana ) We never really had that much money, 312 00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:09,069 so I realized I had to go to work. 313 00:16:09,169 --> 00:16:11,371 It hadn't crossed my mind to work, 314 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:14,741 because I'm really basically quite lazy, you see. 315 00:16:14,841 --> 00:16:17,277 But, I loved it, loved it ! 316 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:19,646 I was so mad about working in those days, 317 00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:21,348 so mad about taking the train, 318 00:16:21,448 --> 00:16:24,651 I was so mad about everything that was happening. 319 00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:26,386 ( man on radio ) Of the 60 million Americans 320 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:28,221 who hurry to their jobs 321 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:32,225 on workday mornings, one in every four is a woman. 322 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:36,496 More and more women are rising to top-flight executive jobs. 323 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:39,499 Mrs. Carmel Snow of "Harper's Bazaar." 324 00:16:39,599 --> 00:16:40,600 ( George ) Tell me about Carmel Snow. 325 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:42,335 How did she find you ? 326 00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:45,272 ( Diana ) Well, you see, she saw me dancing at 327 00:16:45,372 --> 00:16:47,240 the St. Regis one night. 328 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:50,377 She admired what I had on-- Chanel, of course. 329 00:16:50,477 --> 00:16:52,612 So, she offered me a job. 330 00:16:52,712 --> 00:16:55,515 I said, "But I've never worked before. 331 00:16:55,615 --> 00:16:58,585 I've never dressed before lunch." 332 00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:01,454 She said, "But you seem to know a lot about clothes. 333 00:17:01,554 --> 00:17:04,124 Why don't you try it ?" 334 00:17:04,224 --> 00:17:07,794 "Why don't you try it ?" 335 00:17:07,894 --> 00:17:11,598 So I started a column called "Why Don't You..." 336 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:13,233 It was rather frivolous. 337 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:16,536 I don't remember too many of the ideas, thank goodness, 338 00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:21,274 but they were all very true and tried ideas, mind you. 339 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:23,643 "Why don't you have the most beautiful necklace in the world 340 00:17:23,743 --> 00:17:29,382 made of huge pink spiky coral and big Siberian emeralds ?" 341 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:33,186 "Why don't you rinse your blond child's hair in dead champagne 342 00:17:33,286 --> 00:17:36,256 to keep it gold as they do in France ?" 343 00:17:36,356 --> 00:17:38,358 ( Frecky ) It was the Recession and in the middle of it, 344 00:17:38,458 --> 00:17:44,297 here is somebody advocating that you do way-out things. 345 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:48,168 It was a voice crying in the wilderness. 346 00:17:48,268 --> 00:17:51,238 ( Olivia ) "Why don't you paint a map of the world on all four walls 347 00:17:51,338 --> 00:17:53,173 "of your boys' nursery 348 00:17:53,273 --> 00:17:56,443 so they won't grow up with a provincial point of view ?" 349 00:17:56,543 --> 00:17:59,112 "Why don't you wear violet velvet mittens 350 00:17:59,212 --> 00:18:00,847 with everything ?" 351 00:18:00,947 --> 00:18:04,217 ( woman ) It appears as though she didn't edit herself, 352 00:18:04,317 --> 00:18:06,153 but of course, 353 00:18:06,253 --> 00:18:08,155 she knew what had the sound of rhythm, 354 00:18:08,255 --> 00:18:10,590 she knew what had the sound of madness 355 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:12,559 and surprise and all of that. 356 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:15,328 ( Frecky ) The important thing is that it was the first step 357 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:19,098 into a career in fashion. 358 00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:21,801 ( Diana ) You know, I quickly became fashion editor 359 00:18:21,901 --> 00:18:23,236 of "Harper's Bazaar." 360 00:18:23,336 --> 00:18:25,138 It was quite an important role at the time, 361 00:18:25,238 --> 00:18:27,707 meaning that I wasn't "a" fashion editor; 362 00:18:27,807 --> 00:18:32,412 I was the one-and-only fashion editor. 363 00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:35,215 ( George ) So you stopped doing "Why Don't Yous..." ? 364 00:18:35,315 --> 00:18:36,583 Well, we went to war. 365 00:18:36,683 --> 00:18:38,851 I mean, that Europe went to war. 366 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:40,653 And "Why Don't You..." seemed so silly. 367 00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:43,690 Ridiculous, absurd. 368 00:18:46,293 --> 00:18:47,760 Did I tell you about the night I saw Hitler 369 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:49,762 before the war ? 370 00:18:49,862 --> 00:18:52,232 I was at the Munich Opera. 371 00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:53,633 My friend whispered to me, 372 00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:55,735 "It might interest you, Madame, 373 00:18:55,835 --> 00:18:58,205 "to see the man who wishes to be 374 00:18:58,305 --> 00:19:01,674 dictator called Herr Hitler." 375 00:19:01,774 --> 00:19:03,343 So I looked down, 376 00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:06,746 that mustache was unbelievable. 377 00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:09,382 It was so hilarious, it was just wrong. 378 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:16,589 ( woman ) Mrs. Vreeland's major contribution to the magazine 379 00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:18,191 certainly was imagination 380 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:21,594 and a very, very original point of view. 381 00:19:21,694 --> 00:19:23,630 She simply didn't think like other people. 382 00:19:27,234 --> 00:19:29,802 Do you know what came out of the war, George ? 383 00:19:29,902 --> 00:19:33,306 Peace at last, and the bikini ! 384 00:19:33,406 --> 00:19:36,276 * 385 00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:41,914 It was the biggest thing since the atom bomb. 386 00:19:42,014 --> 00:19:44,951 America wasn't ready for it, but I'm a reporter. 387 00:19:45,051 --> 00:19:47,487 I know news when I see it. 388 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:49,656 * 389 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,763 ( Barbara ) She had the first bikini, and she put it on a model. 390 00:19:56,863 --> 00:20:00,533 And, we were all in her office and we were all aghast. 391 00:20:00,633 --> 00:20:05,305 You know, we had never seen such exposure of skin and she said, 392 00:20:05,405 --> 00:20:07,640 "With an attitude like that, 393 00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:09,409 you keep civilization back a thousand years." 394 00:20:09,509 --> 00:20:12,512 * 395 00:20:12,612 --> 00:20:15,282 Mrs. Vreeland was not only responsible 396 00:20:15,382 --> 00:20:18,751 for the fashion look of the magazine, 397 00:20:18,851 --> 00:20:21,788 but, I think, of fashion at the time. 398 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:23,756 * 399 00:20:32,031 --> 00:20:35,535 ( George ) Is it true you also popularized the blue jeans ? 400 00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:37,737 ( Diana ) To me, since the gondola, 401 00:20:37,837 --> 00:20:41,007 there's never been anything like the blue jean. 402 00:20:41,107 --> 00:20:43,910 They're the most beautiful things I've ever seen. 403 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,313 I've done six or seven articles on them, you know. 404 00:20:46,413 --> 00:20:47,714 And do I have it right that you discovered 405 00:20:47,814 --> 00:20:48,781 Lauren Bacall ? 406 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:50,783 Oh, Betty was great. 407 00:20:50,883 --> 00:20:53,853 ( woman ) What did you first think when you saw that very first picture 408 00:20:53,953 --> 00:20:55,522 of Betty Bacall ? 409 00:20:55,622 --> 00:20:59,359 She came smiling into my office with this, um-- 410 00:20:59,459 --> 00:21:01,294 Someone had found her on the street corner, 411 00:21:01,394 --> 00:21:02,795 looking for a cab or something 412 00:21:02,895 --> 00:21:04,931 with this wide Russian face. 413 00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:06,533 I don't know how keen she'll be about being 414 00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:08,034 called a Russian, 415 00:21:08,134 --> 00:21:10,903 but that's what she looked like to me in those days. 416 00:21:11,003 --> 00:21:12,639 ( woman ) Anyone that knows Diana Vreeland 417 00:21:12,739 --> 00:21:14,341 knows that one has never seen anyone 418 00:21:14,441 --> 00:21:15,842 that looks like Diana Vreeland. 419 00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:19,011 I mean, she wore flats and black tights 420 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:20,480 before anyone ever thought of it, you know. 421 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:23,716 We couldn't take a bad picture of Betty, 422 00:21:23,816 --> 00:21:25,385 not possibly take a bad picture. 423 00:21:25,485 --> 00:21:27,954 I've never seen a model quite like that. 424 00:21:28,054 --> 00:21:32,492 ( Diana ) After I put her on the cover, she got a call from Hollywood. 425 00:21:32,592 --> 00:21:34,494 * 426 00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:43,570 You know you don't have to act with me, Steve. 427 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:45,338 You don't have to say anything 428 00:21:45,438 --> 00:21:46,873 and you don't have to do anything. 429 00:21:46,973 --> 00:21:48,074 Not a thing. 430 00:21:49,642 --> 00:21:52,812 Oh, maybe just whistle. 431 00:21:52,912 --> 00:21:56,349 I graduated from Wellesley in 1960, 432 00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:58,851 thinking that I wanted to be in the fashion business. 433 00:21:58,951 --> 00:22:01,354 I was a "Harper's Bazaar" magazine reader, 434 00:22:01,454 --> 00:22:03,723 voracious reader. 435 00:22:03,823 --> 00:22:05,358 And to my amazement, 436 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,394 I got a job with someone I had never heard of, 437 00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:08,528 and it was Diana Vreeland. 438 00:22:10,997 --> 00:22:14,100 I got the picture right away that I was working for someone 439 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,037 very, very creative, very, very demanding. 440 00:22:18,137 --> 00:22:20,573 ( women ) Good morning, Ms. Prescott. 441 00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:26,479 When Mrs. Vreeland came storming into the room, 442 00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:29,549 she'd start barking orders, "Girl, get me some pencils." 443 00:22:29,649 --> 00:22:30,917 That would be me. 444 00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:33,420 "A letter, I need Cecil Beaton !" 445 00:22:35,755 --> 00:22:38,558 ( woman ) Now, hear this ! 446 00:22:42,729 --> 00:22:47,133 ( Lillian ) She always gave her assistants a very hard time. 447 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:50,603 They always cried during the day. 448 00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:54,907 Came back the next morning loving her. 449 00:22:55,007 --> 00:22:57,610 Were you an easy woman to work for ? No. 450 00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:00,913 I had that reputation of not being easy, and I am. 451 00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:02,649 I'm charming, I'm very easy. 452 00:23:02,749 --> 00:23:06,886 But naturally, I expect someone to do as much work as I do, 453 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:09,656 which I believe is not usual, 454 00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:11,123 I'm told, I don't know. 455 00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:13,960 One day, she stormed into the room 456 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:15,161 after a particularly good lunch 457 00:23:15,261 --> 00:23:16,963 and she chucked her huge coat at me. 458 00:23:17,063 --> 00:23:18,965 And I chucked it back at her. 459 00:23:19,065 --> 00:23:21,934 I mean, it was just knee-jerk, it was like volleyball. 460 00:23:22,034 --> 00:23:23,903 And she said in a loud voice, 461 00:23:24,003 --> 00:23:27,507 "That is the rudest girl I've ever met." 462 00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:29,175 And I was not. 463 00:23:29,275 --> 00:23:34,947 I was not, but it was, it was pretty... 464 00:23:35,047 --> 00:23:37,517 annoying, I think. 465 00:23:37,617 --> 00:23:38,751 On the other hand-- ( dog barking ) 466 00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:42,054 Stop it ! 467 00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:44,624 Everyone was threatened by Diana Vreeland. 468 00:23:44,724 --> 00:23:47,193 I mean, she was threatening, she was awesome, 469 00:23:47,293 --> 00:23:48,928 she was one of the only people-- There were two people-- 470 00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:50,129 I used to say to say there were 471 00:23:50,229 --> 00:23:51,130 only two people in the entire field 472 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:52,932 that ever intimidated me. 473 00:23:53,032 --> 00:23:54,767 One was Diana Vreeland and the other one was Dick Avedon. 474 00:23:54,867 --> 00:23:56,803 I was terrified of both of them. 475 00:23:56,903 --> 00:24:00,673 Boy, was I lucky that I would have Carmel Snow as my editor 476 00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:02,942 and Diana Vreeland as my fashion editor. 477 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:05,712 And I was 19 or 20 478 00:24:05,812 --> 00:24:07,714 and I went straight from the Merchant Marine, 479 00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:09,882 which meant straight from my home 480 00:24:09,982 --> 00:24:14,120 to my mother, father, and crazy aunt-- 481 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:18,090 brilliant crazy aunt who just exploded with imagination. 482 00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:21,494 Instead of saying, "Do this, we need that" 483 00:24:21,594 --> 00:24:23,496 in the issue, she'd tell an anecdote. 484 00:24:23,596 --> 00:24:26,566 She'd-- for example, I went to Egypt with Dovima 485 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:30,236 and she sent me a memo that said, 486 00:24:30,336 --> 00:24:32,872 "Dick, before you plan these pictures, 487 00:24:32,972 --> 00:24:34,974 "just think about Cleopatra, 488 00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:36,909 "think about those hot nights. 489 00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:39,846 "She was walking on the roof, everybody is so old 490 00:24:39,946 --> 00:24:43,583 and she's this young beautiful girl pacing that roof !" 491 00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:48,187 She just sort of threw your way of thinking. 492 00:24:48,287 --> 00:24:53,926 ( woman ) Nobody did pure female glamour like Dick Avedon, 493 00:24:54,026 --> 00:24:58,698 and no one knew it like Diana Vreeland. 494 00:24:58,798 --> 00:25:01,868 She had this taste 495 00:25:01,968 --> 00:25:04,971 for the extraordinary and for the extreme. 496 00:25:05,071 --> 00:25:07,607 * 497 00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:21,520 ( Richard ) Vreeland invented the fashion editor. 498 00:25:21,621 --> 00:25:22,755 Before her, it was society ladies 499 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,190 who put hats on other society ladies, 500 00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:25,992 now it's promotion ladies 501 00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:27,159 who compete with other promotion ladies. 502 00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:31,764 No one has equaled her, not nearly. 503 00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:35,034 ( Anjelica ) The magazines before she came were all about how to fit in 504 00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:37,904 with your husband or cook a pie or, 505 00:25:38,004 --> 00:25:41,307 you know, even glamorous women. 506 00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:44,811 But she said, "Pie ? 507 00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:48,715 Who cares about pie when there's Russia ?" 508 00:25:48,815 --> 00:25:50,850 * 509 00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:02,261 ( man ) She gave "Harper's Bazaar" its pep, 510 00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:03,930 that was her big contribution. 511 00:26:04,030 --> 00:26:07,634 She gave fantasy to fashion and romanticized it 512 00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:11,704 because basically deep down, it's not romantic. 513 00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:14,974 Fashion is very boring subject. 514 00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:17,744 I mean, she gave the energy 515 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:20,279 and the pep to anything she touched. 516 00:26:20,379 --> 00:26:22,114 That's important, even when you talked to her, 517 00:26:22,214 --> 00:26:24,651 she gave you... pep. 518 00:26:24,751 --> 00:26:26,252 * 519 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:34,260 ( Tim ) She talked about spreads. 520 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:39,598 She talked about visions that she had of a particular spread. 521 00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:42,902 They always sounded kind of fantastical to me. 522 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:45,805 I mean, they would all go off to some remote part of the world 523 00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:50,176 with the photographer and glorious models 524 00:26:50,276 --> 00:26:54,046 and invent fantasy. 525 00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:58,084 ( man ) We need adventure and she was the lady that would go anywhere. 526 00:26:58,184 --> 00:27:00,887 If you said to Diana Vreeland 527 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:02,188 we're going to put you in a space ship 528 00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:06,058 and you're going to the moon, she'd go ! 529 00:27:06,158 --> 00:27:09,395 ( Tim ) I remember when she did this fashion shoot in Arizona 530 00:27:09,495 --> 00:27:12,665 at the Pauson House by Frank Lloyd Wright. 531 00:27:12,765 --> 00:27:15,234 She even modeled herself during the shoot. 532 00:27:21,708 --> 00:27:26,913 ( Lillian ) I must say, I used to love to get an assignment from her 533 00:27:27,013 --> 00:27:31,183 because she would get in front of the mirror 534 00:27:31,283 --> 00:27:37,990 and become the model that she wanted you to photograph. 535 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:42,228 I remember I had a group of kimonos to do. 536 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:46,098 She got in front of the mirror and showed me how 537 00:27:46,198 --> 00:27:50,336 in a kimono you didn't stand straight, you curved your body. 538 00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:57,109 And she just took on the whole aura. 539 00:27:57,209 --> 00:28:02,281 You-- you really felt that she was a geisha girl 540 00:28:02,381 --> 00:28:04,183 in front of that mirror. 541 00:28:06,986 --> 00:28:09,922 ( Diana ) Every girl in the world should have geisha training. 542 00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:13,960 The idea is that you learn from exaggeration. 543 00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:17,696 The way they move, their voices, their faces, the makeup ! 544 00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:23,302 God was fair to the Japanese. 545 00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:28,007 He gave them no oil, no diamonds, no gold, nothing, 546 00:28:28,107 --> 00:28:32,745 but he gave them a sense of style. 547 00:28:32,845 --> 00:28:35,014 Style is everything, George. 548 00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:36,783 It helps you get up in the morning. 549 00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:40,286 It helps you get down the stairs, it's a way of life. 550 00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:42,955 Without it, you're nobody. 551 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:45,424 And I'm not talking about a lot of clothes. 552 00:28:49,829 --> 00:28:53,232 ( Ali ) She was very aware of which girl had-- had something 553 00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:55,034 that wasn't just dress, 554 00:28:55,134 --> 00:28:57,870 you know, how do you say, clothing horse. 555 00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:00,506 The posture, the body, the movement. 556 00:29:00,606 --> 00:29:04,944 She might do. Might do what ? 557 00:29:05,044 --> 00:29:06,779 The bones are good. 558 00:29:06,879 --> 00:29:09,515 There were this little kind of washed out, little Irish girls, 559 00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:13,853 from, you know, Yonkers, and she turned them into queens. 560 00:29:13,953 --> 00:29:15,354 * 561 00:29:25,531 --> 00:29:29,001 ( Diana ) They have to do a great deal for themselves-- 562 00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:30,502 their skin, their posture, 563 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:34,506 their walk, their interests in things, their education. 564 00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:36,809 * 565 00:29:36,909 --> 00:29:40,012 She said, "Even if you're wearing closed shoes and boots, 566 00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:42,248 your toenails have to be perfect." 567 00:29:43,883 --> 00:29:47,920 You know, it was like every single detail. 568 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:50,289 She knew that if your toenails were painted, maybe you would 569 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:51,557 walk in a different way. 570 00:29:51,657 --> 00:29:54,460 So I don't know, but it was there. 571 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,230 You know, a special woman, who-- who-- 572 00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:59,431 Which other women-- 573 00:29:59,531 --> 00:30:02,902 Name any of the ones you interviewed. 574 00:30:03,002 --> 00:30:04,904 Do any of them have any sense like that ? 575 00:30:05,004 --> 00:30:06,538 No ! 576 00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:07,974 No. 577 00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:13,312 What does it matter how people look and how they dress ? 578 00:30:13,412 --> 00:30:15,814 I should think it'd only matter to them. 579 00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:17,083 Yeah. 580 00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:19,318 I don't see that it matters to anyone else. 581 00:30:19,418 --> 00:30:21,921 Do I look all right ? You look great ! 582 00:30:22,021 --> 00:30:23,222 And that matters to me. 583 00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:24,290 You look great. I do ? 584 00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:25,491 Yes, yes. 585 00:30:25,591 --> 00:30:28,327 She was more than just an editor. 586 00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:31,330 She was something extraordinary. 587 00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:33,532 She was the creator of fashion 588 00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:35,601 and she understood fashion 589 00:30:35,701 --> 00:30:38,137 in a totally different way. 590 00:30:38,237 --> 00:30:42,141 ( China ) One can make fashion or one is. 591 00:30:42,241 --> 00:30:45,277 Diana was fashion. 592 00:30:45,377 --> 00:30:47,046 It's different. 593 00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:50,082 Do Americans, as a rule, have good taste or bad taste ? 594 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:52,418 They don't have any taste or any desire for taste. 595 00:30:52,518 --> 00:30:56,222 The Kennedys are-- have-- have style, don't they ? 596 00:30:56,322 --> 00:30:57,924 Sure, Kennedy style. 597 00:30:58,024 --> 00:31:00,626 Jacqueline Onassis is-- 598 00:31:00,726 --> 00:31:02,895 But she wasn't born a Kennedy, don't forget. 599 00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,596 She's got her own special style. 600 00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:07,499 When did you first discover Jacqueline ? 601 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,635 Always known her, always known her. 602 00:31:09,735 --> 00:31:12,571 Love her. You remember her as a young girl ? 603 00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:15,207 Yes, she just had that wonderful pizzazz of youth. 604 00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:17,009 She was avid, out for everything. 605 00:31:17,109 --> 00:31:20,512 She was enthusiastic, something she's never lost. 606 00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:22,514 * 607 00:31:22,614 --> 00:31:25,017 ( Frecky ) When Jack Kennedy ran for President, 608 00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:29,221 Jackie had no qualms about asking Mom for advice 609 00:31:29,321 --> 00:31:32,258 on what clothes to wear to the inauguration 610 00:31:32,358 --> 00:31:33,960 in case he was elected. 611 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:37,563 In fact, Jackie wrote to Mom, "Dear Mrs. Vreeland, 612 00:31:37,663 --> 00:31:40,399 "it sounds as if you know exactly the right things. 613 00:31:40,499 --> 00:31:43,435 "You are psychic as well as an angel. 614 00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:46,038 "I feel it is presumptuous 615 00:31:46,138 --> 00:31:48,340 "and bad luck to even be thinking about it now, 616 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,676 "but it's such fun to think about. 617 00:31:50,776 --> 00:31:55,247 "I would be imagining it even if my husband were a garbage man. 618 00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:56,949 "I'll just have to get it anyway 619 00:31:57,049 --> 00:32:00,286 and wear it to watch TV if things don't work out." 620 00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:08,327 But of course, Jack was elected and Jackie looked beautiful. 621 00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:13,232 The torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans. 622 00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,703 ( Frecky ) Because of her friendship with Mom, 623 00:32:17,803 --> 00:32:20,939 "Harper's Bazaar" was the first to publish a picture 624 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,441 of the Presidential couple. 625 00:32:22,541 --> 00:32:25,377 And she wrote, "Dear Diana, everyone is wondering 626 00:32:25,477 --> 00:32:27,713 "why we chose 'Harper's Bazaar' 627 00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:30,216 "and they invent a million reasons, 628 00:32:30,316 --> 00:32:33,219 and no one says the real one, which is you." 629 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:38,590 ( George ) Diana, it seems like you were on top of the world. 630 00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:42,161 Why on Earth weren't you made editor-in-chief of "Bazaar" ? 631 00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:44,330 ( Diana ) You know, George, 632 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,598 after 26 years of making $18,000 a year, 633 00:32:46,698 --> 00:32:50,202 the Hearsts finally gave me a raise. 634 00:32:50,302 --> 00:32:53,105 $1,000 ! 635 00:32:53,205 --> 00:32:54,673 Can you imagine ? 636 00:32:54,773 --> 00:32:59,678 So when Alexander Liberman at "Vogue" came to see me, 637 00:32:59,778 --> 00:33:03,115 I suddenly made up my mind to listen to him. 638 00:33:03,215 --> 00:33:05,717 ( woman ) Ah Miss Maxwell... The thorn... 639 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:09,055 Who is she ? The editor-in-chief... 640 00:33:25,537 --> 00:33:27,206 ( woman on PA ) Number one... 641 00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:36,682 Magnifique ! 642 00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:39,385 * 643 00:33:43,622 --> 00:33:45,791 ( Diana ) I don't think anyone has ever been in a better place 644 00:33:45,891 --> 00:33:47,359 at a better time 645 00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:49,261 than when I was editor of "Vogue." 646 00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:53,465 It was the '60s and it all started in London. 647 00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,767 * 648 00:34:08,314 --> 00:34:11,049 ( woman ) The Beatles opened up enormous new channel 649 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:12,551 of excitement and life. 650 00:34:12,651 --> 00:34:15,754 You didn't have to have certain kinds of manners. 651 00:34:15,854 --> 00:34:18,424 You wore your miniskirt up to your crotch. 652 00:34:18,524 --> 00:34:20,826 In England, you wore what you want. 653 00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:23,729 What Diana Vreeland did was she channeled 654 00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:25,797 a certain kind of energy. 655 00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:28,300 Mrs. Vreeland felt that the fashion 656 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,271 that was coming off the streets of London was the way forward. 657 00:34:32,371 --> 00:34:35,241 ( man ) It was the time of the youth revolution 658 00:34:35,341 --> 00:34:38,377 and she was so unbelievably intrigued by it. 659 00:34:38,477 --> 00:34:42,848 And, uh, so she just wanted to have the whole-- 660 00:34:42,948 --> 00:34:46,185 a whole new brew of young photographers, 661 00:34:46,285 --> 00:34:49,255 like Patrick Lichfield and David Bailey. 662 00:34:49,355 --> 00:34:52,291 I think that sleeve would look better down on the right side. 663 00:34:52,391 --> 00:34:54,726 Uh-uh, that's the left side. 664 00:34:54,826 --> 00:34:56,595 It was a very London thing, in a way. 665 00:34:56,695 --> 00:34:59,565 I mean, the youth and the vitality, 666 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:01,133 and it was so different from America. 667 00:35:01,233 --> 00:35:02,768 Well, say "lesbian" a few times. 668 00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:05,237 Lesbian. Good. 669 00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:07,273 And again. Lesbian. 670 00:35:07,373 --> 00:35:09,441 With more feelings. Lesbian ! 671 00:35:09,541 --> 00:35:11,810 That's more like it. Lesbian ? 672 00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:15,147 ( David ) Vreeland sent for me and Jean. 673 00:35:15,247 --> 00:35:17,316 I thought all of us were going to get the elbow. 674 00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:19,618 I thought she'd bring all the "Harper's Bazaar" photographers. 675 00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:23,622 It was raining and Jean didn't want to go and she was crying. 676 00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:25,857 All her mascara was running. 677 00:35:25,957 --> 00:35:28,160 We looked like a couple of drowned rats. 678 00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:32,198 We walked into the office and she said, "Stop !" 679 00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:36,202 And Jean, tears came down, she just stopped. 680 00:35:36,302 --> 00:35:38,470 We looked like a couple of drowned rats 681 00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:39,638 standing in a puddle. 682 00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:40,806 And she said, "Stop ! 683 00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:43,342 The English have arrived." 684 00:35:43,442 --> 00:35:44,743 * 685 00:35:56,888 --> 00:35:59,358 I love the '60s, it was the Youthquake. 686 00:36:04,463 --> 00:36:06,932 ( man ) "Vogue" was a very sleepy magazine when she took it over. 687 00:36:07,032 --> 00:36:09,901 She really had to propel it forward into being 688 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:11,670 a cutting-edge magazine 689 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:15,741 that people saw as "the key fashion magazine." 690 00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:18,944 Mrs. Vreeland was the perfect oracle 691 00:36:19,044 --> 00:36:21,347 for what was happening in the world. 692 00:36:21,447 --> 00:36:24,483 I think she understood this whole Youthquake. 693 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:28,454 She understood this influence of music and films 694 00:36:28,554 --> 00:36:32,291 and photographers and models and understood the change 695 00:36:32,391 --> 00:36:37,463 and really presented it to a bigger audience. 696 00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:39,498 ( man ) She was waiting for the '60s. 697 00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:43,369 It was a revolution and probably brought back the '20s to her. 698 00:36:43,469 --> 00:36:45,871 Because that was her period, again, 699 00:36:45,971 --> 00:36:50,342 where everything was thrown out and it was the new. 700 00:36:50,442 --> 00:36:53,479 There was a social, there was a sexual, 701 00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:55,447 there was a political revolution. 702 00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:57,783 You know, Civil Rights and "Black was Beautiful." 703 00:36:57,883 --> 00:37:00,252 And, you know, all these things that she could 704 00:37:00,352 --> 00:37:02,454 just jump all over. 705 00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:04,856 ( Diana ) It was a revolution, 706 00:37:04,956 --> 00:37:07,225 and for the first time, youth went out to life, 707 00:37:07,326 --> 00:37:10,228 instead of waiting for life to come to them. 708 00:37:10,329 --> 00:37:11,797 Boys and girls could do anything, 709 00:37:11,897 --> 00:37:13,432 it was true freedom ! 710 00:37:14,866 --> 00:37:16,935 And, of course, the music ! 711 00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:18,904 Isn't Mick marvelous ? 712 00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:21,440 Those lips ! 713 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:25,477 We did his photograph in '64 when he was quite plump ! 714 00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:27,746 The first picture ever published of Mick was with Vreeland 715 00:37:27,846 --> 00:37:29,014 because I offered it to British "Vogue" and they said, 716 00:37:29,114 --> 00:37:30,316 "No, who is this guy ?" 717 00:37:30,416 --> 00:37:32,318 And I sent it to Vreeland. 718 00:37:32,418 --> 00:37:33,785 She said, "I don't care who he is, I'm going to publish it, 719 00:37:33,885 --> 00:37:34,986 it's such a great picture." 720 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:36,555 As long as people know about it, 721 00:37:36,655 --> 00:37:38,457 and they have to know that you exist, 722 00:37:38,557 --> 00:37:40,759 which is a very important part of if you are somebody 723 00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:42,494 new, starting out. 724 00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:45,897 Mrs. Vreeland really brought us into a modern period. 725 00:37:49,335 --> 00:37:52,738 I think, you see, we are living in a scientific age 726 00:37:52,838 --> 00:37:54,640 and I don't think that-- 727 00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:57,609 That's the only thing that brings us forward, is science. 728 00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:01,313 ( Anna ) She just really got it 729 00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,049 and knew that fashion and the world were on their way 730 00:38:04,149 --> 00:38:07,586 to something much more global than what had been happening. 731 00:38:07,686 --> 00:38:09,455 * 732 00:38:11,457 --> 00:38:15,394 Not just fashion, but also the arts, 733 00:38:15,494 --> 00:38:19,731 performers, entertainers, and new models. 734 00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:23,635 ( Diana ) We had Polish, we had English, 735 00:38:23,735 --> 00:38:26,705 we had girls from all the different countries of Europe 736 00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:28,674 all coming here. 737 00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:31,843 You know, and they were so happy to be somewhere else 738 00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:33,612 and they were wonderful. 739 00:38:33,712 --> 00:38:35,381 They were so charming. 740 00:38:35,481 --> 00:38:37,816 * 741 00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:45,824 I adored Twiggy ! 742 00:38:45,924 --> 00:38:47,693 She's just such a personality. 743 00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:50,562 She's such a kid, such a girl, such a wow ! 744 00:38:53,031 --> 00:38:57,035 When she first came to us, I think she was about 16, 745 00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:59,838 and this Cockney kid walks in 746 00:38:59,938 --> 00:39:02,107 and she's a bit of all right, I tell you. 747 00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:03,942 She almost killed me ! 748 00:39:04,042 --> 00:39:04,943 I thought she was so great ! 749 00:39:05,043 --> 00:39:06,978 She was wonderful ! 750 00:39:07,078 --> 00:39:09,481 For the first time, models, like Twiggy, 751 00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:12,884 became personalities, instead of simply mannequins. 752 00:39:12,984 --> 00:39:16,422 ( Joel ) She would say, "Push their faults." 753 00:39:16,522 --> 00:39:18,724 If they have a space between their teeth, 754 00:39:18,824 --> 00:39:20,358 make it the most beautiful thing about them. 755 00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:21,927 Make an asset of your faults. 756 00:39:22,027 --> 00:39:25,697 If you're tall, be taller, wear high-heel shoes. 757 00:39:25,797 --> 00:39:28,500 If you have a long neck, 758 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,001 be proud of it, don't try to hunch over. 759 00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:31,970 If you have a long nose, hold it up 760 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:33,672 and make it your trademark. 761 00:39:33,772 --> 00:39:37,008 ( Joel ) She celebrated Barbra Streisand's nose 762 00:39:37,108 --> 00:39:39,645 and made it into, you know, 763 00:39:39,745 --> 00:39:42,748 a Renaissance statue or painting. 764 00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:46,452 ( Diana ) It was my idea to use Barbra Streisand as a mannequin. 765 00:39:46,552 --> 00:39:50,956 We shot her in profile with that Nefertiti nose of hers. 766 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,426 Her success was overnight ! 767 00:39:54,526 --> 00:39:55,427 Then there was Cher ! 768 00:39:55,527 --> 00:39:57,496 That girl was a dream ! 769 00:39:57,596 --> 00:39:59,064 No one had ever heard of her, 770 00:39:59,164 --> 00:40:01,833 so I tracked her down, sent for her, 771 00:40:01,933 --> 00:40:05,504 and, boy, did we use her ! 772 00:40:05,604 --> 00:40:07,706 She modeled for us forever. 773 00:40:09,675 --> 00:40:11,643 You see, George, at the same time 774 00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:14,613 mannequins became personalities in the '60s, 775 00:40:14,713 --> 00:40:17,783 personalities became mannequins. 776 00:40:17,883 --> 00:40:20,486 Ravishing personalities are the most riveting things 777 00:40:20,586 --> 00:40:22,153 in the world. 778 00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:24,723 Conversation, people's interests, 779 00:40:24,823 --> 00:40:27,559 the atmosphere that they create around them, 780 00:40:27,659 --> 00:40:31,863 these are the only things worth putting in any issue. 781 00:40:31,963 --> 00:40:35,000 Some of those girls that she turned into models, 782 00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:36,201 people would say, why ? 783 00:40:36,301 --> 00:40:38,970 You know, they look so strange. 784 00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:41,573 And-- but she saw something. 785 00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:44,743 And that's what was extraordinary about her. 786 00:40:44,843 --> 00:40:48,780 She saw things in people before they saw it themselves. 787 00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:55,487 ( woman ) My aim was to use fashion to be a transformer. 788 00:40:55,587 --> 00:41:01,126 I think that Vreeland must have sensed it, that she-- 789 00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:05,997 she said, "I want you to have your own ideas and visions 790 00:41:06,097 --> 00:41:08,834 about how you want to transform yourself," 791 00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:11,970 because that was my wish: to be different characters. 792 00:41:15,907 --> 00:41:19,911 For her, the most important thing was that it wasn't boring. 793 00:41:21,547 --> 00:41:23,214 Don't be boring ! 794 00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:24,983 * 795 00:41:31,823 --> 00:41:35,527 Don't tell a story, even if it's true, if it's boring. 796 00:41:35,627 --> 00:41:38,229 Invent something ! 797 00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:43,034 Mrs. Vreeland invented this period herself. 798 00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:44,803 I mean, through the pages, 799 00:41:44,903 --> 00:41:48,139 she used people, like Veruschka, looking like a leopard... 800 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,876 I mean, this world without a leopard, 801 00:41:50,976 --> 00:41:52,711 who would want to be here ? 802 00:41:52,811 --> 00:41:55,881 ( Manolo ) Marisa Berenson with wigs, with this, with that. 803 00:41:55,981 --> 00:41:57,849 I think I was quite daring at the time. 804 00:41:57,949 --> 00:42:02,153 You know, I was the first one to do naked pictures in "Vogue." 805 00:42:02,253 --> 00:42:04,990 I was, uh, quite a free spirit. 806 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,525 She used people like Penelope. 807 00:42:07,626 --> 00:42:11,296 Penelope was not what I call the look of a model. 808 00:42:11,396 --> 00:42:15,734 ( woman ) I remember she looked down on my shoes and she went, 809 00:42:15,834 --> 00:42:19,170 "I wonder what you're going to do with your life. 810 00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:21,106 I don't think you'll be in fashion." 811 00:42:28,814 --> 00:42:31,717 She would fix her gaze on somebody 812 00:42:31,817 --> 00:42:33,885 and then they'd start to blossom. 813 00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:36,922 I think she saw that I was one of these new things. 814 00:42:37,022 --> 00:42:39,324 I wasn't one of these swans, 815 00:42:39,424 --> 00:42:42,728 these European put-together '50s swans. 816 00:42:42,828 --> 00:42:46,798 I was sort of this new American idea. 817 00:42:46,898 --> 00:42:50,001 ( Anjelica ) She made it okay for women to be ambitious, 818 00:42:50,101 --> 00:42:55,273 for women to be outlandish and extraordinary, 819 00:42:55,373 --> 00:42:58,343 and for women to garner attention. 820 00:42:58,443 --> 00:43:00,278 ( Manolo ) Vision ! 821 00:43:00,378 --> 00:43:02,948 "Vision" is the word I just wanted to tell about her ! 822 00:43:03,048 --> 00:43:05,283 She had a vision-- Did I say that already ? 823 00:43:05,383 --> 00:43:10,188 She really launched a whole generation. 824 00:43:10,288 --> 00:43:13,058 She started me off, she encouraged me with words. 825 00:43:13,158 --> 00:43:14,960 She put the clothes in magazines. 826 00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:21,132 She said to me, "Young man, why don't you do extremities ? 827 00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:23,368 Do shoes or something like that." 828 00:43:23,468 --> 00:43:26,237 I say, "Oh !" 829 00:43:26,337 --> 00:43:29,841 "Young man, tell me what is-- what you want to do." 830 00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:32,377 And she very quickly looked at my sketches. 831 00:43:32,477 --> 00:43:37,348 So that really, in a way decided sort of my career. 832 00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:40,118 Diana opened the American market for us. 833 00:43:40,218 --> 00:43:43,989 It was perfect for our things. 834 00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:47,158 Mrs. Vreeland was America ! 835 00:43:47,258 --> 00:43:50,662 ( Diana ) All these people invented themselves. 836 00:43:50,762 --> 00:43:54,165 Naturally, as the editor, I was there to help them along. 837 00:43:54,265 --> 00:43:58,303 And her makeup... I need a face that's smooth and hard 838 00:43:58,403 --> 00:43:59,671 and luminous... 839 00:43:59,771 --> 00:44:02,040 ... like aluminum. 840 00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:05,343 I want her eyes to go "bee beep." 841 00:44:05,443 --> 00:44:07,813 Do you understand ? 842 00:44:07,913 --> 00:44:11,917 It starts always with the person who's in charge. 843 00:44:12,017 --> 00:44:13,985 That's the editor-in-chief. 844 00:44:14,085 --> 00:44:18,924 And clearly, Vreeland had a very strong impact 845 00:44:19,024 --> 00:44:24,229 on the people that she chose to do the editing. 846 00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:27,799 The men and women that she chose to do the sittings. 847 00:44:27,899 --> 00:44:30,235 She hired them, she inspired them 848 00:44:30,335 --> 00:44:33,772 and worked with the photographers 849 00:44:33,872 --> 00:44:37,408 in a way that there was a creativity 850 00:44:37,508 --> 00:44:39,310 that came through on the pages. 851 00:44:42,213 --> 00:44:43,949 ( David ) She was a nightmare ! 852 00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:47,018 She wasn't really interested in photography in a way. 853 00:44:47,118 --> 00:44:48,954 It kind of got in the way of the dresses. 854 00:44:49,054 --> 00:44:50,321 And I wasn't interested in dresses; 855 00:44:50,421 --> 00:44:52,858 it kind of got in the way of the photography. 856 00:44:52,958 --> 00:44:55,260 So, we were always at the other end. 857 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,397 She quite liked it when Bailey was combative towards her. 858 00:44:59,497 --> 00:45:03,935 Bailey and I shot a story about three times. 859 00:45:04,035 --> 00:45:05,937 And each time, 860 00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:07,939 she said she didn't really like it. 861 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,376 And, finally, we did it in a completely different way 862 00:45:11,476 --> 00:45:14,045 and we were both really happy with the results. 863 00:45:14,145 --> 00:45:17,248 And she looked at the contact sheets... 864 00:45:27,058 --> 00:45:28,493 Divine. 865 00:45:28,593 --> 00:45:30,962 Dee-veen. Dee-veen ! 866 00:45:31,062 --> 00:45:32,931 "These are divine ! 867 00:45:33,031 --> 00:45:34,465 "I've never seen Penelope look like it ! 868 00:45:34,565 --> 00:45:35,867 "She looks fantastic ! 869 00:45:35,967 --> 00:45:37,735 How divine she looks !" 870 00:45:37,836 --> 00:45:42,173 She said, "But, of course, I can't use these." 871 00:45:42,273 --> 00:45:44,409 And I'm going, "Why ? Why ? 872 00:45:44,509 --> 00:45:46,744 If they're great, why can't we use them ?" 873 00:45:46,845 --> 00:45:49,848 She said, "There's no langour !" 874 00:45:49,948 --> 00:45:51,983 "There's no langour in the lips ! 875 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:54,786 You can't hardly see the lips !" 876 00:45:54,886 --> 00:45:57,155 And I think I called her a blind old bat. 877 00:45:57,255 --> 00:45:58,957 I mean, you know, stuff like that, 878 00:45:59,057 --> 00:46:00,959 it just made you want to strangle her, 879 00:46:01,059 --> 00:46:03,528 but, you know, at the same time, it was-- 880 00:46:03,628 --> 00:46:07,999 she had this sort of instinct about how things should look. 881 00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:10,001 She would say, "Bob, you are not supposed to give 882 00:46:10,101 --> 00:46:11,502 "people what they want; 883 00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:12,804 "you're supposed to give them what they don't 884 00:46:12,904 --> 00:46:14,372 know they want yet." 885 00:46:14,472 --> 00:46:17,508 And that was, I guess, the essence of her philosophy. 886 00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:20,545 Diana's "Vogue" had this great sense of curiosity. 887 00:46:20,645 --> 00:46:22,480 I mean, it wasn't just about fashion. 888 00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:24,916 It was about art, it was about nightclubs, 889 00:46:25,016 --> 00:46:26,351 it was about music and, 890 00:46:26,451 --> 00:46:29,387 I mean, it was society, it was all woven together. 891 00:46:29,487 --> 00:46:31,456 ( woman ) "Vogue" was a wonderful features magazine then. 892 00:46:31,556 --> 00:46:33,058 If you go through the people 893 00:46:33,158 --> 00:46:34,259 who were writing for "Vogue" then, 894 00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:36,294 it's astonishing... 895 00:46:36,394 --> 00:46:38,964 ( Diana ) "Vogue" always did stand for people's lives. 896 00:46:39,064 --> 00:46:41,967 I mean, a new dress doesn't get you anywhere, 897 00:46:42,067 --> 00:46:44,202 it's the life you're living in the dress. 898 00:46:47,005 --> 00:46:49,007 Diana was really almost the epitome 899 00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:50,275 of what New York was about, 900 00:46:50,375 --> 00:46:54,279 this melding of Europe and America. 901 00:46:54,379 --> 00:46:56,814 And, this openness to everything 902 00:46:56,915 --> 00:46:59,084 that was new and different and wild. 903 00:46:59,184 --> 00:47:01,452 I mean, you know, she-- she liked all the wild stuff. 904 00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:05,190 I mean, she was not shocked by people taking drugs 905 00:47:05,290 --> 00:47:07,192 or people being gay or people-- 906 00:47:07,292 --> 00:47:09,360 You know, I mean, she thought it was all amusing. 907 00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:13,464 She understood the genius of vulgarity. 908 00:47:13,564 --> 00:47:16,301 She was fascinated with pornography. 909 00:47:16,401 --> 00:47:20,838 She was fascinated with-- with plastic surgery, you know, 910 00:47:20,939 --> 00:47:22,473 the fact you could take a woman's face 911 00:47:22,573 --> 00:47:24,109 and completely reshape it. 912 00:47:24,209 --> 00:47:26,945 She didn't see that as immoral or anything. 913 00:47:27,045 --> 00:47:28,246 She thought, "Why not ?" 914 00:47:28,346 --> 00:47:30,982 Though she never had it done herself. 915 00:47:31,082 --> 00:47:33,919 ( Joel ) She hardly was a traditional beauty. 916 00:47:34,019 --> 00:47:36,955 You know, she was a very eccentric-looking woman. 917 00:47:37,055 --> 00:47:41,192 And what she did was, instead of trying to fit into some mold, 918 00:47:41,292 --> 00:47:45,296 she absolutely went, you know, 919 00:47:45,396 --> 00:47:47,432 in the way of designing herself 920 00:47:47,532 --> 00:47:53,571 so that she was an extraordinary work of art in herself. 921 00:47:53,671 --> 00:47:57,108 Every detail was perfect. 922 00:47:57,208 --> 00:48:00,111 This is a woman who put rouge on her ears 923 00:48:00,211 --> 00:48:02,113 because she saw Kabuki performers do it 924 00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:05,483 and she thought it looked very chic, which it did on her. 925 00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:07,052 I love rouge. 926 00:48:07,152 --> 00:48:09,654 Totally artificial. Totally artificial, yes. 927 00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:11,422 We lead an artificial life. 928 00:48:11,522 --> 00:48:15,160 We lead certainly an artificial life in an artificial town. 929 00:48:15,260 --> 00:48:17,662 So, I mean, why all this naturalness ? 930 00:48:17,762 --> 00:48:19,664 It's bloody boring. 931 00:48:19,764 --> 00:48:22,367 A form of laziness, hmm ? 932 00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:26,337 That was her view of-- of life. 933 00:48:26,437 --> 00:48:29,207 That life is artifice. 934 00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:32,110 ( Tim ) It's not until a woman gets completely dressed up 935 00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:34,412 with all her makeup on and all the artifice, 936 00:48:34,512 --> 00:48:36,481 then she's glorious ! 937 00:48:36,581 --> 00:48:40,285 She saw the whole business of preparing yourself 938 00:48:40,385 --> 00:48:46,992 and presenting yourself as being almost ceremonialized. 939 00:48:47,092 --> 00:48:49,961 ( Alexander ) From 8:00 'til noon, 940 00:48:50,061 --> 00:48:53,664 she'd be in her bathrobe, taking phone calls, reading her mail. 941 00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:55,166 You know, people used to joke the fact 942 00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:57,268 that she never had any staff meetings. 943 00:48:57,368 --> 00:48:59,137 She didn't have staff meetings-- 944 00:48:59,237 --> 00:49:00,471 she just told everyone what to do. 945 00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:05,676 She used to send out dozens of memos a day. 946 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:07,445 She'd send a memo saying, 947 00:49:07,545 --> 00:49:10,181 "Marisa's neck has grown two inches this year. 948 00:49:10,281 --> 00:49:14,152 I want you to photograph her neck, that small head." 949 00:49:14,252 --> 00:49:17,955 "Go to Venice and hire a thousand gondolas !" 950 00:49:18,056 --> 00:49:20,191 "Can you go to India to photograph a white tiger ?" 951 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:23,494 ( Diana ) The strong face comes not only from the bone construction, 952 00:49:23,594 --> 00:49:26,464 but from the inner thinking ! 953 00:49:26,564 --> 00:49:30,701 Those memos were so intelligent and fun 954 00:49:30,801 --> 00:49:34,339 and they explain so much her-- her mind. 955 00:49:34,439 --> 00:49:36,474 I'm extremely disappointed 956 00:49:36,574 --> 00:49:38,509 that no one has taken the slightest interest 957 00:49:38,609 --> 00:49:41,346 in freckles on the models ! 958 00:49:41,446 --> 00:49:46,084 She had blogs with her memos, so she was the first blogger. 959 00:49:46,184 --> 00:49:48,319 In case any of this is of interest to you, 960 00:49:48,419 --> 00:49:51,156 Brigitte Bardot travelled halfway across the world 961 00:49:51,256 --> 00:49:53,424 to get married, barefoot ! 962 00:49:53,524 --> 00:49:56,994 You'd be constantly sort of breathless from, you know, 963 00:49:57,095 --> 00:49:59,630 things that she would say and the way she thought. 964 00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:03,234 And you could never permeate her thoughts. 965 00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:08,439 She brought you back to wherever she was interested in. 966 00:50:08,539 --> 00:50:10,208 It was just like surfing or something 967 00:50:10,308 --> 00:50:11,642 when you were with her; 968 00:50:11,742 --> 00:50:15,780 you sort of, you just had to ride that wave. 969 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,416 ( Diana ) But, you know, I'm really only envious of one thing 970 00:50:18,516 --> 00:50:20,051 and that is a surfer. 971 00:50:20,151 --> 00:50:22,753 I think it's the most beautiful thing-- 972 00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:25,022 see, I'm mad about water. 973 00:50:25,123 --> 00:50:27,658 I think water is God's tranquilizer; 974 00:50:27,758 --> 00:50:33,131 to be in it, to drink it, to look at it. 975 00:50:33,231 --> 00:50:38,403 And to be a surfer, between the sky and the water 976 00:50:38,503 --> 00:50:40,638 would be, to me, the most wonderful thing. 977 00:50:40,738 --> 00:50:42,773 I'm sorry I just didn't make it. 978 00:50:46,844 --> 00:50:49,280 Also, skateboards I think are great. 979 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:50,548 Great ! 980 00:50:53,251 --> 00:50:57,188 I think any form of rhythm is absolutely essential. 981 00:50:57,288 --> 00:50:59,557 I mean, we are a physical people. 982 00:50:59,657 --> 00:51:02,793 We do count on action, mood, 983 00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:05,730 and wit of the body and so on to survive. 984 00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:11,136 ( Ingrid ) Her understanding of rhythm is huge 985 00:51:11,236 --> 00:51:12,770 because you see it with the sentences. 986 00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:15,206 In the same way, she understood that in magazines 987 00:51:15,306 --> 00:51:17,375 why a magazine has to have a pause. 988 00:51:17,475 --> 00:51:20,645 Why then it has to have a crash, 989 00:51:20,745 --> 00:51:22,180 why then it has to have a blast of color, 990 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,150 why then it has to have a big headline. 991 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:29,187 ( Diana ) Does anyone read a picture book from the beginning ? 992 00:51:29,287 --> 00:51:31,256 I don't. 993 00:51:31,356 --> 00:51:33,858 The eye has to travel. 994 00:51:38,263 --> 00:51:40,398 I tell you, George, 995 00:51:40,498 --> 00:51:42,500 I think I'm more proud of the December issues 996 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,602 than anything else. 997 00:51:44,702 --> 00:51:46,604 Everything attractive that I could think of 998 00:51:46,704 --> 00:51:48,373 in the world we would put into 999 00:51:48,473 --> 00:51:49,874 the December issues. 1000 00:51:49,974 --> 00:51:52,810 It was Diana's idea to make the December issue 1001 00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:58,816 a really extraordinary, unusual feast for the eyes. 1002 00:51:58,916 --> 00:52:00,851 ( Diana ) We had the eyes of Deneuve, 1003 00:52:00,951 --> 00:52:04,655 the eyes of the gothic, the kites, The Beatles ! 1004 00:52:04,755 --> 00:52:08,359 We even had crossed-eyes ! 1005 00:52:08,459 --> 00:52:12,163 And, of course, we had Irving Penn 1006 00:52:12,263 --> 00:52:13,164 and his beautiful flowers. 1007 00:52:14,799 --> 00:52:17,702 The fantasy and the dreaming was something 1008 00:52:17,802 --> 00:52:19,237 she wanted to give the reader 1009 00:52:19,337 --> 00:52:22,773 and she wanted to bring these exotic places 1010 00:52:22,873 --> 00:52:25,776 into the reader's mind. 1011 00:52:25,876 --> 00:52:30,648 We would spend three weeks photographing 20 pages 1012 00:52:30,748 --> 00:52:34,785 and it would be the big story of the December Issue. 1013 00:52:34,885 --> 00:52:38,155 ( Anjelica ) In those days, it was a real story. 1014 00:52:38,256 --> 00:52:41,759 That's how you referred to a layout. 1015 00:52:41,859 --> 00:52:45,530 You didn't refer to it as just a series of photographs, 1016 00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:46,531 it was a story. 1017 00:52:46,631 --> 00:52:48,699 Everything was so precise 1018 00:52:48,799 --> 00:52:52,203 and there was such a luxury to it. 1019 00:52:52,303 --> 00:52:54,239 * 1020 00:53:04,382 --> 00:53:06,517 The Japan trip was, 1021 00:53:06,617 --> 00:53:09,487 I think, the most luxurious ever done in fashion. 1022 00:53:09,587 --> 00:53:13,558 ( Ingrid ) We were in Japan for five weeks. 1023 00:53:13,658 --> 00:53:17,462 We were completely left to do whatever we wanted, 1024 00:53:17,562 --> 00:53:20,731 but we had a synopsis. 1025 00:53:20,831 --> 00:53:24,435 ( man ) Mrs. Vreeland says, "The Tale of Genji," 1026 00:53:24,535 --> 00:53:30,508 the first novel in the world written by a woman ! 1027 00:53:30,608 --> 00:53:33,378 ( Ingrid ) Mrs. Vreeland had the idea 1028 00:53:33,478 --> 00:53:37,715 that we wanted it to be an epic of a love affair 1029 00:53:37,815 --> 00:53:43,721 between a Caucasian woman and a Japanese man. 1030 00:53:43,821 --> 00:53:48,826 Dick had the idea to find for me as a partner in the pictures 1031 00:53:48,926 --> 00:53:51,929 a man taller than me. 1032 00:53:52,029 --> 00:53:55,600 And that was, of course, right away, we all said, 1033 00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:57,368 "How could that ever happen ?" 1034 00:53:57,468 --> 00:53:59,637 * 1035 00:54:01,906 --> 00:54:05,510 ( Ingrid ) Maybe he should be a sumo wrestler. 1036 00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:10,481 We went to all of the wrestling matches to find this man, 1037 00:54:10,581 --> 00:54:13,284 which was very difficult. 1038 00:54:13,384 --> 00:54:15,620 And then, we heard about this man 1039 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,790 and he was seven feet and some inches. 1040 00:54:26,397 --> 00:54:28,933 ( Veruschka ) He was a sumo wrestler 1041 00:54:29,033 --> 00:54:31,602 who was thin and much taller than me. 1042 00:54:31,702 --> 00:54:36,774 I mean, he was so tall that he couldn't fit in the car. 1043 00:54:36,874 --> 00:54:38,976 I mean, we had to take out the front seat, 1044 00:54:39,076 --> 00:54:43,348 so he had to sitting in the back of the car. 1045 00:54:43,448 --> 00:54:47,385 He had such a powerful breathing 1046 00:54:47,485 --> 00:54:48,853 that he would take a cigarette. 1047 00:54:52,923 --> 00:54:55,626 It was finished, the cigarette, and the next one came. 1048 00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:02,066 And we were just looking at this man. 1049 00:55:02,166 --> 00:55:04,935 We had never seen anything like that. 1050 00:55:05,035 --> 00:55:08,573 ( Ingrid ) And that is the man you see in the pictures. 1051 00:55:08,673 --> 00:55:10,508 Isn't he wonderful ? 1052 00:55:10,608 --> 00:55:12,443 That's the one thing about Vreeland, 1053 00:55:12,543 --> 00:55:17,081 is she knew her job as an editor is you've got to give people 1054 00:55:17,181 --> 00:55:18,949 what they can't get at home, 1055 00:55:19,049 --> 00:55:22,353 you know, give them something that will just make them 1056 00:55:22,453 --> 00:55:23,954 travel in their minds. 1057 00:55:24,054 --> 00:55:25,823 Take them somewhere. 1058 00:55:25,923 --> 00:55:27,825 ( Polly ) "Vogue" was very rich at the time, 1059 00:55:27,925 --> 00:55:30,561 so they could go to the Himalayas if they wanted 1060 00:55:30,661 --> 00:55:32,096 and she would be behind them. 1061 00:55:32,196 --> 00:55:33,731 I don't think that Alexander Liberman, 1062 00:55:33,831 --> 00:55:35,533 her boss and the boss at "Vogue," 1063 00:55:35,633 --> 00:55:38,369 was particularly keen on that sort of expenditure. 1064 00:55:38,469 --> 00:55:42,039 He was holding the reins, but she could gallop quite fast. 1065 00:55:43,741 --> 00:55:46,877 There was a pride about being a woman 1066 00:55:46,977 --> 00:55:49,847 of a certain age with knowledge, 1067 00:55:49,947 --> 00:55:53,584 with sexiness, mother, career woman. 1068 00:55:53,684 --> 00:55:57,354 Not somebody necessarily born beautiful, 1069 00:55:57,455 --> 00:56:00,858 but somebody who had something up here. 1070 00:56:00,958 --> 00:56:03,060 Women were embarrassed about working, 1071 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,662 or it was a sign of poverty, 1072 00:56:04,762 --> 00:56:07,832 she made it something chic to have somewhere 1073 00:56:07,932 --> 00:56:10,735 to go in the daytime. 1074 00:56:10,835 --> 00:56:13,003 Are you a feminist, Mrs. V ? 1075 00:56:13,103 --> 00:56:15,406 I don't even know what you're talking about. 1076 00:56:15,506 --> 00:56:17,742 I really mean that. Explain that. 1077 00:56:17,842 --> 00:56:20,144 I don't understand what all this talk is about women 1078 00:56:20,244 --> 00:56:23,080 and being different from the way they ever were. 1079 00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:26,083 Are they different from the way they ever were ? 1080 00:56:26,183 --> 00:56:31,388 She was a self-invention-- 1081 00:56:31,489 --> 00:56:33,123 the will, the strength, 1082 00:56:33,223 --> 00:56:37,094 the determination, the risk-taking. 1083 00:56:37,194 --> 00:56:39,564 She was tough and she was strong. 1084 00:56:39,664 --> 00:56:40,865 She was a star. 1085 00:56:40,965 --> 00:56:43,801 She was a huge superstar. 1086 00:56:45,736 --> 00:56:47,738 We found out she hadn't seen "Chinatown" 1087 00:56:47,838 --> 00:56:51,041 and she was always madly in love with Jack Nicholson. 1088 00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:53,511 So, we looked in the newspaper 1089 00:56:53,611 --> 00:56:57,548 and it was only playing at a theatre deep in Harlem. 1090 00:57:00,585 --> 00:57:03,420 So, we go into this Great Hall Theatre 1091 00:57:03,521 --> 00:57:05,523 and it's packed. 1092 00:57:05,623 --> 00:57:08,759 And, of course, we are the only Caucasians in the audience 1093 00:57:08,859 --> 00:57:12,196 and we sit down in the middle of this aisle. 1094 00:57:12,296 --> 00:57:13,631 And... 1095 00:57:15,766 --> 00:57:17,502 ... this is so Mrs. Vreeland. 1096 00:57:17,602 --> 00:57:22,172 And Jack comes on the screen and it's dead quiet. 1097 00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:26,443 Okay, pal, let's have us a big smile. 1098 00:57:26,544 --> 00:57:29,747 And I will never forget it, Mrs. Vreeland raised her hand 1099 00:57:29,847 --> 00:57:31,882 with her red fingernails 1100 00:57:31,982 --> 00:57:35,686 and at the top of her lungs shouted, 1101 00:57:35,786 --> 00:57:39,990 "Isn't Jack attractive ?" 1102 00:57:44,862 --> 00:57:46,564 Did you wear a uniform ? 1103 00:57:48,566 --> 00:57:49,800 Sometimes... 1104 00:57:51,235 --> 00:57:53,704 She met Jack and because of Jack, 1105 00:57:53,804 --> 00:57:55,072 she met all kinds of people in Hollywood 1106 00:57:55,172 --> 00:57:57,942 and it was a big enrichment to her life. 1107 00:57:58,042 --> 00:58:00,711 ( Tim ) Warren Beatty would come down in his little sport car 1108 00:58:00,811 --> 00:58:02,146 and pick her up 1109 00:58:02,246 --> 00:58:04,048 and she would spend the evening 1110 00:58:04,148 --> 00:58:05,516 with Julie Christie, Jack Nicholson, 1111 00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:08,786 Anjelica Huston, and Cher. 1112 00:58:08,886 --> 00:58:12,957 They were all great friends... I think. 1113 00:58:13,057 --> 00:58:17,528 When I first went out to California, she said, 1114 00:58:17,628 --> 00:58:19,530 "You know, I'd love to introduce you to 1115 00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:20,898 "people out there, but all my friends 1116 00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:22,867 are so much younger than you are." 1117 00:58:22,967 --> 00:58:25,102 And today, you're seen with Jack Nicholson 1118 00:58:25,202 --> 00:58:26,503 and Warren Beatty. 1119 00:58:26,604 --> 00:58:28,673 What do all these people have in common ? 1120 00:58:28,773 --> 00:58:31,008 The people I know, I know through work usually, 1121 00:58:31,108 --> 00:58:33,143 and that's what's so stimulating. 1122 00:58:33,243 --> 00:58:35,746 That's the best way to know people, I think. 1123 00:58:35,846 --> 00:58:38,115 Bailey was always flirting with Vreeland 1124 00:58:38,215 --> 00:58:40,751 and would say the most outrageous things to her. 1125 00:58:40,851 --> 00:58:43,654 I said, "If you were 20 years younger, I'd give you one." 1126 00:58:43,754 --> 00:58:46,056 She said, "If I was 20 years younger, you'd have no choice." 1127 00:58:46,156 --> 00:58:49,960 She would go, "Mmm, mmm, mmm !" 1128 00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:51,596 She loved that. 1129 00:58:51,696 --> 00:58:53,130 She was becoming a celebrity. 1130 00:58:53,230 --> 00:58:55,866 One was reading about her all the time. 1131 00:58:55,966 --> 00:59:00,170 She was at The Factory, she was at Studio 54. 1132 00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:02,773 And this all came as a great surprise, 1133 00:59:02,873 --> 00:59:06,310 and that, yes, that did affect me. 1134 00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:09,647 I was rising in the Foreign Service, 1135 00:59:09,747 --> 00:59:12,783 but I don't think she took any great interest in it 1136 00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:15,085 and that-- that hurt me somewhat. 1137 00:59:15,185 --> 00:59:17,321 She just didn't have time 1138 00:59:17,421 --> 00:59:18,989 to have conventional anything left in 1139 00:59:19,089 --> 00:59:21,025 her life at that time. 1140 00:59:21,125 --> 00:59:23,661 ( Diana ) You do realize that from the age of 30, 1141 00:59:23,761 --> 00:59:26,196 I've worked every day of my life, 1142 00:59:26,296 --> 00:59:28,165 and that goes for Saturdays and Sundays. 1143 00:59:28,265 --> 00:59:30,968 ( George ) Well, I was just going to ask about your family. 1144 00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:32,870 We've not talked about your husband, 1145 00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:34,805 we've not really talked about your children, 1146 00:59:34,905 --> 00:59:38,609 we've not talked about grief or disasters. 1147 00:59:38,709 --> 00:59:40,678 I don't think we really want to. 1148 00:59:40,778 --> 00:59:42,179 You know, curiously enough, 1149 00:59:42,279 --> 00:59:43,881 those things haven't touched me much. 1150 00:59:43,981 --> 00:59:46,183 I don't mean my husband, that's a different story. 1151 00:59:48,152 --> 00:59:50,821 Reed and I had a great life together. 1152 00:59:50,921 --> 00:59:55,059 He had fantastic glamour for me and he always retained it. 1153 00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:59,229 Isn't it curious that even after more than 40 years of marriage, 1154 00:59:59,329 --> 01:00:02,833 I was always slightly shy of him ? 1155 01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:04,268 What do you mean ? 1156 01:00:04,368 --> 01:00:05,836 Well, don't you think all women 1157 01:00:05,936 --> 01:00:08,806 are slightly shy of all men ? 1158 01:00:08,906 --> 01:00:11,141 But your husband of 46 years, 1159 01:00:11,241 --> 01:00:13,944 you always remained slightly shy. 1160 01:00:14,044 --> 01:00:16,380 Of course. 1161 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,716 I wouldn't have suspected that of you. 1162 01:00:18,816 --> 01:00:21,251 But you're not supposed to suspect. 1163 01:00:21,351 --> 01:00:23,854 ( Diana ) I can remember his coming home in the evening. 1164 01:00:23,954 --> 01:00:26,957 If I was in my bath or in my bedroom making up, 1165 01:00:27,057 --> 01:00:30,861 I can remember always pulling myself up, thinking, 1166 01:00:30,961 --> 01:00:34,398 "I must be at my very best." 1167 01:00:34,498 --> 01:00:39,103 ( Frecky ) Think of it as a male dancer in a classical ballet. 1168 01:00:39,203 --> 01:00:44,341 He gave support to her, he's there to make sure that 1169 01:00:44,441 --> 01:00:47,978 if she jumps in the air he has-- he catches her. 1170 01:00:49,479 --> 01:00:51,849 But then he got sick. 1171 01:00:51,949 --> 01:00:54,284 Naturally, we didn't discuss it. 1172 01:00:54,384 --> 01:00:57,387 Why would we discuss cancer ? 1173 01:00:57,487 --> 01:00:59,189 When he was ill, it was very difficult 1174 01:00:59,289 --> 01:01:02,259 because she wasn't really admitting that he was ill. 1175 01:01:02,359 --> 01:01:04,895 And... 1176 01:01:04,995 --> 01:01:08,132 So it was very, very hard for anybody, 1177 01:01:08,232 --> 01:01:09,399 I think, to help her, at the time. 1178 01:01:09,499 --> 01:01:12,136 I saw a totally unemotional person. 1179 01:01:14,939 --> 01:01:21,311 That's when you-- when you never express any negatives. 1180 01:01:21,411 --> 01:01:25,750 You also never get too emotion... 1181 01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:29,086 * 1182 01:01:38,128 --> 01:01:41,198 After the funeral service, there was this lunch 1183 01:01:41,298 --> 01:01:45,302 at our home at 550 Park Avenue 1184 01:01:45,402 --> 01:01:51,108 and she wore white, which was a statement. 1185 01:01:51,208 --> 01:01:53,110 * 1186 01:01:58,182 --> 01:01:59,850 She's marvelous. 1187 01:01:59,950 --> 01:02:00,818 ( all ) She's divine. 1188 01:02:08,492 --> 01:02:13,063 She then totally immersed herself in her work. 1189 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,001 ( Hubert ) Nothing stopped her. 1190 01:02:17,101 --> 01:02:20,404 She went a hundred miles an hour. 1191 01:02:20,504 --> 01:02:22,406 She was fearless. 1192 01:02:22,506 --> 01:02:25,042 She followed her heart. 1193 01:02:27,577 --> 01:02:29,479 ( Reinaldo ) She was of the era of elegance. 1194 01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:32,382 She was of the era of imagination, 1195 01:02:32,482 --> 01:02:34,919 and of great expense. 1196 01:02:35,019 --> 01:02:37,321 She was the most expensive thing, 1197 01:02:37,421 --> 01:02:38,522 I think, that the new houses ever had. 1198 01:02:38,622 --> 01:02:40,958 I mean, she cost a fortune, you know. 1199 01:02:41,058 --> 01:02:45,996 It didn't matter to have 500 orchid plants shipped to-- 1200 01:02:46,096 --> 01:02:47,932 to Alaska for a shoot. 1201 01:02:48,032 --> 01:02:50,134 You know, that was perfectly normal for her. 1202 01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:53,871 You could tell that she was often sailing 1203 01:02:53,971 --> 01:02:55,505 very, very close to the edge. 1204 01:02:57,541 --> 01:03:00,878 Sometimes, what Diana did didn't please 1205 01:03:00,978 --> 01:03:02,046 all the advertisers. 1206 01:03:06,416 --> 01:03:09,019 The magazine had hit a plateau, 1207 01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:11,288 people were complaining too much. 1208 01:03:11,388 --> 01:03:14,358 And there were only two people to blame. 1209 01:03:14,458 --> 01:03:17,895 There was Alex and there was Diana. 1210 01:03:17,995 --> 01:03:20,898 Somebody had to go. 1211 01:03:20,998 --> 01:03:23,500 You were canned from your editing job. 1212 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,036 ( Diana ) That's right. 1213 01:03:26,136 --> 01:03:27,804 And why was that, by the way ? 1214 01:03:27,905 --> 01:03:30,807 Because they wanted a different sort of magazine. 1215 01:03:30,908 --> 01:03:36,046 When Vreeland was asked to leave "Vogue," she was-- 1216 01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:39,083 I think she was angry that Liberman didn't do it himself. 1217 01:03:39,183 --> 01:03:41,952 She said, "So, I sent for Alex." 1218 01:03:42,052 --> 01:03:43,921 And he came up, she said, 1219 01:03:44,021 --> 01:03:45,589 and he's standing there in profile, she says, 1220 01:03:45,689 --> 01:03:47,925 "Alex, I've looked at your profile for ten years; 1221 01:03:48,025 --> 01:03:51,295 for once look me in the eye and tell me I'm fired." 1222 01:03:51,395 --> 01:03:53,463 She said, "He wouldn't look me in the eye." 1223 01:03:53,563 --> 01:03:56,533 And I said, "Alex, I've met red Russians, 1224 01:03:56,633 --> 01:03:58,602 "I've met white Russians, 1225 01:03:58,702 --> 01:04:02,339 but you're the first yellow Russian I've ever met." 1226 01:04:02,439 --> 01:04:03,573 And that was the end. 1227 01:04:06,076 --> 01:04:09,346 Everything changed-- the music changed. 1228 01:04:09,446 --> 01:04:12,282 The atmosphere changed, the pictures changed. 1229 01:04:12,382 --> 01:04:14,484 That was the end of an era. 1230 01:04:17,054 --> 01:04:20,457 ( Frecky ) Mom went into a sort of collapse. 1231 01:04:20,557 --> 01:04:23,093 She was feeling very, very sorry for herself. 1232 01:04:23,193 --> 01:04:28,032 In effect, her life had become conventional, and she-- 1233 01:04:28,132 --> 01:04:29,466 it was unbearable to her 1234 01:04:29,566 --> 01:04:32,102 that she didn't have some intense thing 1235 01:04:32,202 --> 01:04:33,971 that she was doing. 1236 01:04:34,071 --> 01:04:39,143 She was out of work and nobody really knew what she could do 1237 01:04:39,243 --> 01:04:42,646 after "Vogue" because that was such a hard act to follow. 1238 01:04:42,746 --> 01:04:47,317 The person I saw that day was not the autocratic, 1239 01:04:47,417 --> 01:04:51,221 sure-of-herself star. 1240 01:04:51,321 --> 01:04:53,323 I could see there was some brokenness. 1241 01:04:53,423 --> 01:04:55,492 * 1242 01:04:57,694 --> 01:05:00,397 ( man on radio ) Turn back, turn back ? 1243 01:05:00,497 --> 01:05:02,967 Should we turn back ? 1244 01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:06,036 The weather behind is as bad as the weather in front. 1245 01:05:06,136 --> 01:05:08,538 Lindbergh goes on. 1246 01:05:08,638 --> 01:05:11,275 ( Diana ) I was only 70-- What was I supposed to do ? 1247 01:05:11,375 --> 01:05:13,177 Retire ? 1248 01:05:13,277 --> 01:05:16,313 And then one day I got a call from 1249 01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:17,314 the Metropolitan Museum of Art. 1250 01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:24,221 ( Oscar ) Tom Hoving was then Director of the Metropolitan Museum. 1251 01:05:24,321 --> 01:05:28,092 He said we would love to have Diana as a Special Consultant, 1252 01:05:28,192 --> 01:05:30,494 but we don't really have the funds. 1253 01:05:30,594 --> 01:05:33,430 ( Bob ) Francoise de la Renta, who was a real organizer, 1254 01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:35,265 got on the phone to all the ladies and said, 1255 01:05:35,365 --> 01:05:37,134 "We've got to help Diana. 1256 01:05:37,234 --> 01:05:39,169 She should be taking over the Met." 1257 01:05:39,269 --> 01:05:40,704 And so they all said that they would give money 1258 01:05:40,804 --> 01:05:42,572 to the Costume Institute. 1259 01:05:42,672 --> 01:05:46,243 You continue to amaze people by the fact that you keep going 1260 01:05:46,343 --> 01:05:49,213 and anything that knocks you down, 1261 01:05:49,313 --> 01:05:51,081 you rise again and start over-- 1262 01:05:51,181 --> 01:05:54,118 uh, do you have any personal philosophy ? I don't start over. 1263 01:05:54,218 --> 01:05:56,320 You see, I just go on from one thing to another. 1264 01:05:56,420 --> 01:05:58,655 They're all really the same. 1265 01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:00,290 You could easily have said, 1266 01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:01,658 "Well, that's it, I've done enough." 1267 01:06:01,758 --> 01:06:03,027 But, you took over this Costume Institute 1268 01:06:03,127 --> 01:06:04,461 at the Met, put it on the map. 1269 01:06:04,561 --> 01:06:07,364 ( man ) At the time, the Costume Institute 1270 01:06:07,464 --> 01:06:09,233 was a rather sleepy place. 1271 01:06:09,333 --> 01:06:12,202 It was all about the costume, the conservation, 1272 01:06:12,302 --> 01:06:17,507 publishing them, studying them, thread-by-thread, whatever. 1273 01:06:17,607 --> 01:06:19,343 And what did she want to do ? 1274 01:06:19,443 --> 01:06:23,147 She wanted to get them out of those shelves, onto dummies, 1275 01:06:23,247 --> 01:06:27,451 bring in the people, show them, get the excitement going. 1276 01:06:29,453 --> 01:06:32,156 ( Diana ) George, I was so excited. 1277 01:06:32,256 --> 01:06:33,157 Back in business ! 1278 01:06:35,059 --> 01:06:38,195 I could show everything I have loved all my life. 1279 01:06:39,529 --> 01:06:42,366 I started with Balenciaga. 1280 01:06:42,466 --> 01:06:44,334 His clothes were devastating. 1281 01:06:44,434 --> 01:06:48,138 One fainted-- One just blew up and died. 1282 01:06:48,238 --> 01:06:50,307 * 1283 01:06:50,407 --> 01:06:53,677 The exhibition went on for six months 1284 01:06:53,777 --> 01:06:55,545 and there were one every year. 1285 01:07:00,284 --> 01:07:02,119 ( Nicky ) It was greater than a magazine. 1286 01:07:02,219 --> 01:07:06,390 It was a magazine that was alive and three-dimensional. 1287 01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:08,592 ( Alexander ) They had music, they had artwork. 1288 01:07:08,692 --> 01:07:11,095 They had these huge horses in the middle of the exhibit. 1289 01:07:11,195 --> 01:07:13,297 I mean, there was always vitality. 1290 01:07:13,397 --> 01:07:16,133 ( Harold ) She painted all the walls these glossy colors. 1291 01:07:16,233 --> 01:07:18,702 She painted the mannequins, and she pumped in, 1292 01:07:18,802 --> 01:07:21,771 through the air-conditioning vents, fragrance. 1293 01:07:21,871 --> 01:07:27,477 What this did for the critics was evoke Bloomingdale's. 1294 01:07:27,577 --> 01:07:30,414 What it did for most of the public 1295 01:07:30,514 --> 01:07:35,419 was it created a kind of freshness to the past. 1296 01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:37,754 * 1297 01:07:37,854 --> 01:07:39,356 Everything changed. 1298 01:07:39,456 --> 01:07:42,126 And, suddenly, it became an event. 1299 01:07:42,226 --> 01:07:43,093 It became-- 1300 01:07:44,461 --> 01:07:48,165 The show was a very big deal. 1301 01:07:48,265 --> 01:07:49,466 And it was a great success. 1302 01:07:49,566 --> 01:07:50,767 Lines, I remember ! 1303 01:07:50,867 --> 01:07:52,469 For the Russian exhibition, I went to it, 1304 01:07:52,569 --> 01:07:53,837 André got us tickets or whatever, 1305 01:07:53,937 --> 01:07:55,672 I went five times anyway, so. 1306 01:07:55,772 --> 01:07:57,241 You couldn't get into it. 1307 01:07:57,341 --> 01:07:59,476 The lines were around the block, it was amazing. 1308 01:07:59,576 --> 01:08:03,213 And she wanted everybody to understand her shows. 1309 01:08:03,313 --> 01:08:06,150 She used to say if an eight-year-old girl from Harlem 1310 01:08:06,250 --> 01:08:08,752 doesn't understand 1311 01:08:08,852 --> 01:08:11,521 what she's looking at, then I'm wasting my time. 1312 01:08:11,621 --> 01:08:15,292 It sounds a bit un-PC-- that girl was important to her. 1313 01:08:15,392 --> 01:08:16,693 That was just as important to her 1314 01:08:16,793 --> 01:08:18,595 as having Pat Buckley and Nan Kempner 1315 01:08:18,695 --> 01:08:20,130 jumping up and down. 1316 01:08:20,230 --> 01:08:21,798 She wanted everybody to jump up and down. 1317 01:08:21,898 --> 01:08:24,434 And then, of course, it made the opening night 1318 01:08:24,534 --> 01:08:30,440 of that a celebrity, social, you know, event. 1319 01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:32,276 * 1320 01:08:37,214 --> 01:08:40,217 And the first party was a huge success. 1321 01:08:40,317 --> 01:08:42,252 People came from all over the world. 1322 01:08:45,622 --> 01:08:50,494 This was really the party of the year, but all due to Diana 1323 01:08:50,594 --> 01:08:54,531 because she knew how to mix the people. 1324 01:08:54,631 --> 01:08:58,134 ( Philippe ) Well, the party of the year was resented 1325 01:08:58,235 --> 01:09:00,237 by a lot of the curators and the staff of the Met. 1326 01:09:00,337 --> 01:09:02,806 When you see your porcelain start to walk on a shelf 1327 01:09:02,906 --> 01:09:06,210 because of the deep basses of the rock bands... 1328 01:09:06,310 --> 01:09:09,613 And we said, "What is this, a museum or a nightclub ?" 1329 01:09:09,713 --> 01:09:11,748 I mean, make up your mind. 1330 01:09:11,848 --> 01:09:14,584 ( Frecky ) When Philippe de Montebello took over, 1331 01:09:14,684 --> 01:09:19,723 he very ostentatiously said, "And now, Madame Vreeland, 1332 01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:23,893 "tell me what are your diplomas 1333 01:09:23,993 --> 01:09:26,530 and preparation for being..." 1334 01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:31,568 And she sat absolutely quietly for a count of 60, 1335 01:09:31,668 --> 01:09:35,171 and then she got up and she looked at him and she said, 1336 01:09:35,272 --> 01:09:37,241 "You know perfectly well 1337 01:09:37,341 --> 01:09:42,446 "that I have had no education whatsoever, 1338 01:09:42,546 --> 01:09:46,550 "that I am here, I've done one thing, 1339 01:09:46,650 --> 01:09:51,588 and that is bring in the people to the museum." 1340 01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:54,691 ( man ) Well, I think that she was not academic in any respect. 1341 01:09:54,791 --> 01:09:56,426 And that's what-- that's what was so interesting about her 1342 01:09:56,526 --> 01:09:57,827 approach to fashion. 1343 01:09:57,927 --> 01:10:00,564 She knew the history of fashion, 1344 01:10:00,664 --> 01:10:02,232 but she didn't get bogged down in it. 1345 01:10:02,332 --> 01:10:06,670 And she was about ideas and about the magic of fashion. 1346 01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:10,607 ( Katell ) Diana, forever, was an editor. 1347 01:10:10,707 --> 01:10:12,276 She had a vision. 1348 01:10:12,376 --> 01:10:14,611 She will say of 18th-century woman, she will say, 1349 01:10:14,711 --> 01:10:18,715 "Oh, that won-der-full Marie Antoinette, 1350 01:10:18,815 --> 01:10:20,317 "that poor Queen. 1351 01:10:20,417 --> 01:10:23,219 That wonderful French way." 1352 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,854 Everything French was fine, you know. 1353 01:10:24,954 --> 01:10:26,856 "The minuette, the beauty !" 1354 01:10:26,956 --> 01:10:28,358 * 1355 01:10:34,498 --> 01:10:36,600 I'm Marisa Berenson. 1356 01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:39,269 I'd like to welcome you to the 18th Century. 1357 01:10:39,369 --> 01:10:41,805 The Met is busy gathering together for the first time 1358 01:10:41,905 --> 01:10:43,473 the greatest collection of costumes, jewelry, 1359 01:10:43,573 --> 01:10:45,509 and accessories. 1360 01:10:45,609 --> 01:10:49,479 Please, don't stand there ! ( woman ) All right, thank you. 1361 01:10:49,579 --> 01:10:51,781 ( Simon ) I think the conservation people had heart attacks 1362 01:10:51,881 --> 01:10:54,351 when they saw her going into the archive. 1363 01:10:54,451 --> 01:10:56,653 She would grab things and whack the back of them. 1364 01:10:56,753 --> 01:10:58,755 ( woman ) How 'bout this color ? 1365 01:10:58,855 --> 01:11:01,891 Now, are we waiting for something ? ( man ) The lavender feather. 1366 01:11:01,991 --> 01:11:03,460 ( man ) It was like asking a football player 1367 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,028 to stylize the mannequin, 1368 01:11:05,128 --> 01:11:07,297 but she always had a concept. 1369 01:11:07,397 --> 01:11:09,599 They're all fighting with each other, 1370 01:11:09,699 --> 01:11:11,401 they're all flirting with each other. 1371 01:11:11,501 --> 01:11:14,270 There's a story of who was having an affair with who, 1372 01:11:14,371 --> 01:11:15,472 and she would say, 1373 01:11:15,572 --> 01:11:16,806 "If they're not having any fun, 1374 01:11:16,906 --> 01:11:19,275 how can the visitors have any fun ?" 1375 01:11:19,376 --> 01:11:22,011 ( Harold ) I don't think she had the average person's relationship 1376 01:11:22,111 --> 01:11:23,680 to the English language. 1377 01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:27,551 She would give you these oblique haiku things 1378 01:11:27,651 --> 01:11:29,719 that gave you a sense of where she was headed 1379 01:11:29,819 --> 01:11:31,588 or where her idea was. 1380 01:11:31,688 --> 01:11:35,024 My favorite was when I was called in to make a wig for her. 1381 01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:38,895 She had this idea of a hairdo which had a frigate in it. 1382 01:11:38,995 --> 01:11:41,465 She said, "You know, Harold, 1383 01:11:41,565 --> 01:11:44,401 the 18th century is all about proportion." 1384 01:11:44,501 --> 01:11:46,002 So, I measured the dress. 1385 01:11:46,102 --> 01:11:47,837 I found portraits from the period. 1386 01:11:47,937 --> 01:11:49,439 People would come into my loft and they would say, 1387 01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:50,940 "What is that ?" 1388 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,609 And I would say, "Oh, it's an 18th-century wig." 1389 01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:54,411 They say, "It is ?" 1390 01:11:54,511 --> 01:11:56,346 I brought it to the Met in a Checker Cab, 1391 01:11:56,446 --> 01:11:57,681 nothing else would fit. 1392 01:11:57,781 --> 01:11:59,749 As soon as I took the garbage bag off, 1393 01:11:59,849 --> 01:12:01,651 I knew she was disappointed. 1394 01:12:01,751 --> 01:12:03,553 She went, "Hmmmm." 1395 01:12:03,653 --> 01:12:06,823 It was accurate, and that's not what Mrs. Vreeland wanted. 1396 01:12:06,923 --> 01:12:12,596 What she wanted was the surprise of this grotesquely huge hairdo. 1397 01:12:12,696 --> 01:12:14,964 I began to create a new hairdo, 1398 01:12:15,064 --> 01:12:19,102 which was based on the height of the ceiling. 1399 01:12:19,202 --> 01:12:20,837 She came back and she said, 1400 01:12:20,937 --> 01:12:23,707 "Mmm, now she can go to the guillotine !" 1401 01:12:29,012 --> 01:12:32,982 ( Diana ) "Romantic and Glamorous Hollywood Design." 1402 01:12:33,082 --> 01:12:34,418 This killed Tom Hoving, 1403 01:12:34,518 --> 01:12:35,852 the director of the Metropolitan. 1404 01:12:35,952 --> 01:12:36,886 It killed him ! 1405 01:12:36,986 --> 01:12:38,388 He's on the floor. 1406 01:12:38,488 --> 01:12:39,956 And he said, "In the name of God, 1407 01:12:40,056 --> 01:12:42,058 "why do we have to drag Hollywood 1408 01:12:42,158 --> 01:12:45,128 into the Metropolitan Museum of Art ?" 1409 01:12:45,228 --> 01:12:47,030 ( woman ) For the first time, 1410 01:12:47,130 --> 01:12:48,064 the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York 1411 01:12:48,164 --> 01:12:50,667 is honoring a living designer. 1412 01:12:50,767 --> 01:12:54,471 ( Diana ) George, the controversy, the outrage over nothing. 1413 01:12:54,571 --> 01:12:57,941 A living designer, with a store down the street. 1414 01:12:58,041 --> 01:13:01,645 "You're promoting his business with a show in the museum." 1415 01:13:01,745 --> 01:13:02,912 She answered... 1416 01:13:03,012 --> 01:13:05,515 "I'm not talking about money... 1417 01:13:05,615 --> 01:13:07,383 I'm talking about art." 1418 01:13:07,484 --> 01:13:09,018 ( woman ) Is it art ? 1419 01:13:09,118 --> 01:13:13,490 There is great art in what he does-- used as a verb, yes. 1420 01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:17,894 If that is a verb, I don't know enough about grammar. 1421 01:13:20,897 --> 01:13:23,467 It was the first show she dare. 1422 01:13:26,936 --> 01:13:29,138 ( Philippe ) The field was entirely transformed 1423 01:13:29,238 --> 01:13:30,674 because from then on, 1424 01:13:30,774 --> 01:13:32,842 all other museums with great collections, 1425 01:13:32,942 --> 01:13:36,045 seeing how popular and how successful were costume shows, 1426 01:13:36,145 --> 01:13:39,483 began to mount great exhibitions of their own. 1427 01:13:39,583 --> 01:13:41,885 ( man ) She didn't have a college education. 1428 01:13:41,985 --> 01:13:46,856 She learnt history, art, literature. 1429 01:13:46,956 --> 01:13:49,793 She learnt civilization through fashion 1430 01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:51,861 and she wanted to share it. 1431 01:13:51,961 --> 01:13:54,664 ( man ) Fashion is not just clothes, is it ? 1432 01:13:54,764 --> 01:13:56,800 ( Diana ) No, it isn't. 1433 01:13:56,900 --> 01:14:01,070 It's part of the daily air and it changes all the time, 1434 01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:02,572 with all the events. 1435 01:14:02,672 --> 01:14:05,074 You can even see the approaching of... 1436 01:14:07,811 --> 01:14:09,513 ... a revolution in clothes. 1437 01:14:09,613 --> 01:14:12,982 You can see and feel everything in clothes. 1438 01:14:15,118 --> 01:14:18,121 ( Diana ) Of course, now that I work at the museum, 1439 01:14:18,221 --> 01:14:21,124 I'm only delving into my past. 1440 01:14:21,224 --> 01:14:24,494 You've lived through so many eras of fashion. 1441 01:14:24,594 --> 01:14:26,062 Do you have a favorite ? 1442 01:14:26,162 --> 01:14:28,097 I think the '20s were superb. 1443 01:14:28,197 --> 01:14:29,799 Of course, it was terribly exciting to me 1444 01:14:29,899 --> 01:14:31,601 because I had just started to wear clothes. 1445 01:14:31,701 --> 01:14:34,804 I was just starting to live in Europe 1446 01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:36,039 and I thought that the whole revolution-- 1447 01:14:36,139 --> 01:14:38,908 There has never been a woman without a back 1448 01:14:39,008 --> 01:14:40,577 in her dress in history. 1449 01:14:40,677 --> 01:14:42,579 There's never been a woman with her clothes chopped off 1450 01:14:42,679 --> 01:14:44,480 at the knee in history. 1451 01:14:44,581 --> 01:14:47,617 ( Bob ) She was educating us about periods in history that, 1452 01:14:47,717 --> 01:14:49,118 you know, came before our time: 1453 01:14:49,218 --> 01:14:51,988 the 1920s, the 1930s, the '40s, the '50s. 1454 01:14:52,088 --> 01:14:55,559 I mean, she kind of knew it all. 1455 01:14:55,659 --> 01:14:58,962 ( woman ) I loved to get her on a riff about something 1456 01:14:59,062 --> 01:15:00,196 that appealed to her, 1457 01:15:00,296 --> 01:15:02,966 and above all, the Diaghilev era. 1458 01:15:03,066 --> 01:15:06,169 ( woman ) We'd go back into her office and she would tell me the story 1459 01:15:06,269 --> 01:15:10,740 of when she saw Nijinsky dance The Spectre of the Rose. 1460 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,843 And the-- you know, I even get a chill now talking about it. 1461 01:15:13,943 --> 01:15:17,747 The description of the stage and the window blowing open 1462 01:15:17,847 --> 01:15:20,083 and Nijinsky flying through the room. 1463 01:15:22,886 --> 01:15:24,153 ( Diana ) He didn't leap up. 1464 01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:29,893 He leaped across the stage to the far end. 1465 01:15:29,993 --> 01:15:32,128 We knew it was amazing 1466 01:15:32,228 --> 01:15:35,665 because it was so amazing that it appeared amazing. 1467 01:15:35,765 --> 01:15:39,769 Not all things that are amazing appear, perhaps, you know ? 1468 01:15:43,773 --> 01:15:48,044 ( Diana ) The Belle Époque, the era in which I was born, 1469 01:15:48,144 --> 01:15:51,881 the last era of absolute luxury. 1470 01:15:53,717 --> 01:15:54,951 Ah ! 1471 01:15:55,051 --> 01:15:57,286 The Bois du Boulogne of my childhood, 1472 01:15:57,386 --> 01:16:02,258 the demimondaines with their hats and parasols. 1473 01:16:02,358 --> 01:16:06,896 I was young, but I remember the most wonderful excitement 1474 01:16:06,996 --> 01:16:08,197 all the time. 1475 01:16:10,667 --> 01:16:13,837 And, there was a great deal of, I suppose, 1476 01:16:13,937 --> 01:16:15,739 what we call decadence, 1477 01:16:15,839 --> 01:16:17,641 but, of course, I didn't see any of that. 1478 01:16:17,741 --> 01:16:20,844 I only saw the horses. 1479 01:16:20,944 --> 01:16:23,813 ( woman ) Mrs. Vreeland had her own view of history. 1480 01:16:23,913 --> 01:16:30,086 She would pick up certain characteristics of an era 1481 01:16:30,186 --> 01:16:33,823 and perhaps magnify it too much. 1482 01:16:33,923 --> 01:16:36,860 ( Harold ) There were these kinds of moments where perhaps 1483 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:42,098 she was not representing the historic truth. 1484 01:16:42,198 --> 01:16:44,934 But, in a strange way, for example 1485 01:16:45,034 --> 01:16:46,169 with the 18th-century headdress, 1486 01:16:46,269 --> 01:16:48,972 she was capturing the real truth, 1487 01:16:49,072 --> 01:16:50,974 which is the integrity of the idea, 1488 01:16:51,074 --> 01:16:55,378 that the idea is something that is bigger than the actual facts 1489 01:16:55,478 --> 01:16:57,747 and it just sort of breaks through the facts. 1490 01:16:57,847 --> 01:17:00,349 Fantasy sometimes is applied to Mrs. Vreeland 1491 01:17:00,449 --> 01:17:02,886 in a derogatory sense, 1492 01:17:02,986 --> 01:17:06,723 that the fantasy eclipses the reality, 1493 01:17:06,823 --> 01:17:09,859 the authority, the academic, 1494 01:17:09,959 --> 01:17:12,228 and I think it's a skew that is wrong. 1495 01:17:12,328 --> 01:17:14,931 I think the fantasy for Mrs. Vreeland was like a pulse. 1496 01:17:15,031 --> 01:17:18,101 When she felt the pulse, it-- it kept, 1497 01:17:18,201 --> 01:17:20,636 it kept everything alive for her. 1498 01:17:20,737 --> 01:17:22,338 ( Reinaldo ) She was a great inventor. 1499 01:17:22,438 --> 01:17:25,675 There was something rather charming about that. 1500 01:17:25,775 --> 01:17:30,780 And she didn't pretend that she was not inventing. 1501 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,315 It just turned out that it was a better story 1502 01:17:32,415 --> 01:17:34,150 than the other one. 1503 01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:37,220 How could Diana Vreeland write that she saw 1504 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,656 Lindbergh flying over Brewster ? 1505 01:17:40,757 --> 01:17:43,259 That wasn't even his route. 1506 01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:47,663 Uh, well, Diana, is that fact or is it fiction ? 1507 01:17:47,764 --> 01:17:50,867 And she said, "Faction." 1508 01:17:50,967 --> 01:17:54,437 And, uh, that's pretty much where it is. 1509 01:17:54,537 --> 01:17:56,906 Because, there are various stories 1510 01:17:57,006 --> 01:17:59,876 which are historically not true, 1511 01:17:59,976 --> 01:18:04,781 but in her mind, that's the way life should be. 1512 01:18:04,881 --> 01:18:07,851 ( Simon ) I remember her saying that she'd never been to India 1513 01:18:07,951 --> 01:18:09,953 and had no real intention of going, 1514 01:18:10,053 --> 01:18:13,990 because if she went, it wouldn't match the vision in her head. 1515 01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:16,692 And I think it was the same with Russia, too. 1516 01:18:16,793 --> 01:18:18,327 Maybe she had been to Russia. 1517 01:18:18,427 --> 01:18:23,066 I really wouldn't know anything about Russians. 1518 01:18:23,166 --> 01:18:25,802 What I love is Russia. 1519 01:18:25,902 --> 01:18:27,971 It was all storytelling 1520 01:18:28,071 --> 01:18:30,940 and I think that's where she and I met, 1521 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,943 is that we both liked to tell stories. 1522 01:18:34,043 --> 01:18:36,913 Her vision of the way the world could be, 1523 01:18:38,281 --> 01:18:41,951 of the way it possibly should be, 1524 01:18:42,051 --> 01:18:43,286 of when it's at its best, 1525 01:18:43,386 --> 01:18:45,721 of when a woman is at her most beautiful. 1526 01:18:53,229 --> 01:18:55,799 ( Diana ) I believe in the dream. 1527 01:18:55,899 --> 01:19:01,237 I think we only live through our dreams and our imagination. 1528 01:19:01,337 --> 01:19:04,440 That's the only reality we really ever know. 1529 01:19:06,876 --> 01:19:11,314 You know, I can't stand seeing shows being taken down. 1530 01:19:11,414 --> 01:19:13,950 They have to do it when I'm gone. 1531 01:19:14,050 --> 01:19:19,088 You know, I get very, very attached to Josephine Baker 1532 01:19:19,188 --> 01:19:21,424 and to the Princess Murat 1533 01:19:21,524 --> 01:19:24,460 walking in the Bois with her boyfriends. 1534 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,363 I find them very attractive women. 1535 01:19:30,233 --> 01:19:32,335 But you know, George, 1536 01:19:32,435 --> 01:19:34,270 you have to let go at some point. 1537 01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:37,140 I'm not creeping around. 1538 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:42,345 I once heard someone say, "I shall die very young." 1539 01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:44,814 "How young ?" I don't know. 1540 01:19:44,914 --> 01:19:48,885 Maybe 70, maybe 80, maybe 90. 1541 01:19:48,985 --> 01:19:51,821 But I shall be very young. 1542 01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:09,305 ( George ) It was my privilege to help Diana Vreeland with her memoirs, 1543 01:20:09,405 --> 01:20:11,941 a book called, "D.V." 1544 01:20:12,041 --> 01:20:18,014 One night, Diana Vreeland told me this... 1545 01:20:18,114 --> 01:20:20,583 "Oh, I am mad about armor. 1546 01:20:20,683 --> 01:20:22,852 "Mad about it. 1547 01:20:22,952 --> 01:20:24,820 "I love the way it's put together. 1548 01:20:24,921 --> 01:20:27,256 "I love the helmets with the feathers out the back. 1549 01:20:27,356 --> 01:20:29,325 "Milanese, you see. 1550 01:20:29,425 --> 01:20:31,460 "Have you ever seen a Tilting Green ? 1551 01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,863 "It's the most beautiful thing I ever saw. 1552 01:20:33,963 --> 01:20:35,899 "There are great banks that rise up on either side 1553 01:20:35,999 --> 01:20:38,167 "like giant steps terraced in grass-- 1554 01:20:38,267 --> 01:20:41,604 "grass, grass, green grass, with the knights in armor, 1555 01:20:41,704 --> 01:20:44,908 "banners, and these great horses. 1556 01:20:45,008 --> 01:20:47,610 "You can say, 'Well, give me a good game of football.' 1557 01:20:47,710 --> 01:20:48,912 "But, that must have been the most beautiful contest 1558 01:20:49,012 --> 01:20:50,914 "to see in the world. 1559 01:20:51,014 --> 01:20:53,950 "You can't imagine it until you've seen a Tilting Green, 1560 01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:58,988 all green, green, green right to the sky." 1561 01:20:59,088 --> 01:21:01,891 I like to think that's where Diana is at this moment. 1562 01:21:03,526 --> 01:21:07,030 * 1563 01:24:30,133 --> 01:24:33,102 * 114711

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